Aston Villa v Everton Post-Match Thread

[pauliewalnuts]

It all changed after KEA scored that goal. We were more aggressive, we more making runs, we were taking on players, turning players. It was like watching a different team out there. The full-backs were getting forward, Weimann was finding space in behind and KEA was roaming through the centre of the park finding forward passes. This was all at 10 men too.

Everton were coasting by that point.

[Monty]

Yes this will definitely be a wake up call for lambert. I don't think Clark had a shocker. Which of the goals were his fault? It was relentless pressure and no protection from midfield

The 3rd goal was his fault.  Watch the replay, simple bit of movement from Jelavic and Clark is just stood ball watching.  And he got sent off because he switched off again.  I have long not been sure of Clark as a centre back, I just don't trust us to keep a clean sheet when he plays.  I think he is a very decent footballer but I am not sure where he would slot in at the moment with his complete lack of pace.

I think Bannan is getting a slightly rough deal on here but he like all are youngsters just have very little experience of winning.  I would like to see the stats for some of them in terms of win, losses and draws - to me they look like they are just happy to be playing.  There is no winning instinct amongst them.

We are desperately one paced and lacking leadership.  There was a short corner in the 2nd half where we made the amateur error of not sending a second man out, allowing them to walk the ball into our box.  I watched afterwards and all the players just turned and walked off.  Someone should be getting a bollocking for that but there was no sign of it.

The worrying thing is that it does not look like problems which management and coaching can fix.  It's the basics like controlling the ball, following a man which isn't there.  We don't look like a side who simply needs to get used to a new system.  We look like a side who needs to get used to playing football.

I agree with this. However, I think Delph should really have been starting today, and going two up front against Everton's midfield with Bannan and El Ahmadi as our only central presence was pretty suicidal.

[Ron Manager]

Yes this will definitely be a wake up call for lambert. I don't think Clark had a shocker. Which of the goals were his fault? It was relentless pressure and no protection from midfield

The 3rd goal was his fault.  Watch the replay, simple bit of movement from Jelavic and Clark is just stood ball watching.  And he got sent off because he switched off again.  I have long not been sure of Clark as a centre back, I just don't trust us to keep a clean sheet when he plays.  I think he is a very decent footballer but I am not sure where he would slot in at the moment with his complete lack of pace.

I think Bannan is getting a slightly rough deal on here but he like all are youngsters just have very little experience of winning.  I would like to see the stats for some of them in terms of win, losses and draws - to me they look like they are just happy to be playing.  There is no winning instinct amongst them.

We are desperately one paced and lacking leadership.  There was a short corner in the 2nd half where we made the amateur error of not sending a second man out, allowing them to walk the ball into our box.  I watched afterwards and all the players just turned and walked off.  Someone should be getting a bollocking for that but there was no sign of it.

The worrying thing is that it does not look like problems which management and coaching can fix.  It's the basics like controlling the ball, following a man which isn't there.  We don't look like a side who simply needs to get used to a new system.  We look like a side who needs to get used to playing football.

Barry Bannan's  22 for gods sake. He ceased being a youngster around 19. Hes not good enough!

[F. Austin Purcell]

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Baker - 7- did extremely well once he moved to centre back won every header he went for. Question were he can play without out any cover as leftback

Answer.....we've got one.  At a time when it's blatantly clear we are struggling for experience PL is letting him mind the kids......what's left of them that is as they mostly play for the first team.

[eastie]

Lerner seems to me to be happy just to be in the premier league- stand still and others pass you, stoke , Sunderland and Newcastle are now showing more ambition than us, we are lacking in quality and in numbers and need to see 3 or 4 decent experienced players or we will be in real trouble- lambert needs backing with decent cash and now!

[ktvillan]

Woeful, clueless, lethargic  first half, better second when Everton took the foot off the gas and a change personnel.

The mitigating factor last week was that at least we had a good amount of possession and passed the ball around.  We don't even have that straw to clutch at this week. 

Of the youngsters, Baker and Weimann look decent and I think will make the grade.   Bannan and Delfounso have had enough chances to shine and never really hinted they will make it. 

Never really seen what people see in Clark, massively over rated by some and nowhere near a decent PL CB for me - lacks pace, strength and concentration. He's even worse as a LB so I really hope he doesn't end up there. 

I like Lichaj if nothing else for his energy and willingness to get stuck in and get forward.  Lowton looks okay.   

In the end unlucky not to get a second, but by rights we could have been five or six down by the time we scored.  It's painfully obvious investment is needed. 

It' all very well saying it will take time for Lambert's methods to kick in but time is one luxury you don't have in the PL

[Can Gana Be Bettered!?!?]

Everton were shit when Moyes first went there and look at them now. We've got PL, clearly he's a good manager, so let's just wait and see.

[Matt Collins]

Hopefully we are approaching the bottom of the barrel. Either that or we are sitting in the middle of it. It was never going to be easy, and it's really going to hit home to Lambert that we are a long way off being a competitive side in this league. To think only 5 short years ago we were looking every bit as strong as Everton were today. There needs to be some soul searching followed by some spending between now and the 31st.

I'm not sure we ever passed the ball as crisply as everton did today. Moyes has done an excellent job

[Yossarian]

Is the team better or worse than the one that Dolly had just before Lerner took over?

[PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt]

Giving Paul Lambert the job without any finances is like asking a brain surgeon to use a wooden spoon.
Time to shit, or get off the pot Randy.

[Ross]

If any further confirmation were needed the Fonz and Bannan will never make Premier League footballers. The midfield is a serious concern, we desperately need new bodies there and no more untested foreign players, we need some battle hardened premier league players to keep us in the division.

If I requires spending £30m and bigger wages so be it. I really fear for us otherwise.

[maidstonevillain]

Holloway for manager.

[Toronto Villa]

Hopefully we are approaching the bottom of the barrel. Either that or we are sitting in the middle of it. It was never going to be easy, and it's really going to hit home to Lambert that we are a long way off being a competitive side in this league. To think only 5 short years ago we were looking every bit as strong as Everton were today. There needs to be some soul searching followed by some spending between now and the 31st.

I'm not sure we ever passed the ball as crisply as everton did today. Moyes has done an excellent job

No, but then MON was never an advocate of that. But when you think back to the overall strength of our side and the experience and quality of youth then you can see how far we've fallen. Just take a look at that side that won 3-2 at their place, or even the sides with Milner in it, and it it makes for worrying reading. We are a long way from that. I trust Lambert because I'm sure he has a visions and that he has a plan. But he needs to spend whatever money the club has given him because he can't go all Wenger right now. And even after that the club need to back him should he need a bit more.

[Havencheese]

It all changed after KEA scored that goal. We were more aggressive, we more making runs, we were taking on players, turning players. It was like watching a different team out there. The full-backs were getting forward, Weimann was finding space in behind and KEA was roaming through the centre of the park finding forward passes. This was all at 10 men too.

We just need that mentality that we had in the final 15 minutes to be the same for the entire of the match. We actually hounded Everton into giving us the ball and because we took them on, we started to break them down. Before that though we were like frightened sheep and only passed sideways or backwards and just let them walk all over us. We can't have that mentality going into a Premier League match.

In terms of players, Baker needs to go at CB. Guzan needs to start in goal. Weimann, Holman and Delph should be replacing Fonz, N'Zogbia and Bannan. Lichaj or a new player has to go at LB. Do that and get us going forward and we shall have no worries about relegation.

Although I think we were looking 100% more cohesive after 60 minutes when they'd spurned a couple of chances, I think that it was obvious they'd taken their foot off the pedal. It said more about Everton as a side who are decent but coasted for a good half hour there. Still I liked the subs we had on.

[ktvillan]

I don't think Clark had a shocker. Which of the goals were his fault?

Third goal he was ball watching as Jelavic lost him with the minimum of movement.  Then he fell asleep again for the sending off incident.