Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: PeterWithesShin on January 06, 2024, 07:21:54 PM
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Never in doubt.
We're up for the cup!
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Made hard work of it but Matty cashed in.
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Job done.
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Job done and another curse broken.
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Thank god no replay.
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What is this round 4 thing?
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That'll do.
Well in Matty.
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Job done.
Yep.
UTV
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Always going to be tough, we had bad luck with the Konsa header so it evened out.
We did enough I thought. Enough to piss plenty of people off as well, which is nice.
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Be nice to watch the 4th round draw for a change. Had to work hard for it
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Surprised the ref didn't book the Villa players for applauding our fans at the end there.
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Maybe.....just maybe
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Cash n Carry.
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Draw is Monday night. We actually give a shit about the 4th round draw!
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Hard going and a lucky goal, but we're into the next round which is all that matters. Struggled a bit again against a team that just sat off though.
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Another late goal as well.
We don't quit.
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WE WON A MATCH IN THE FA CUP!!!!!!!!!
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On to Man Utd (A) in the 4th
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Look how nice that badge looks on Ezri's kit in the interview.
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On to Man Utd (A) in the 4th
Ha ha!!
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A tough watch but an away win and a clean sheet. Well done Villa.
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Some good positives.
Kamara has come back well.
JJ is getting back to his best…..probably at 75% now.
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Another late goal as well.
We don't quit.
It's partly about us not quitting but more importantly it's that we make teams cover a lot of ground defending and tire them down. Tired players make mistakes and we capitalise on it.
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Ref was useless
Commentary at the same level
Job done
It could be our year 😅
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Pleased with that. Glad boro's boring tactics came to nothing.
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Another late goal as well.
We don't quit.
Great point
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It’s our year
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A fortunate goal, but we were the better team overall.
It was reminding me of the Sheff Utd game especially in the first half, where we don't play quickly enough against a side who aren't going to be drawn into trying to win the ball high up.
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I see Stewart Downing pulling out of a question.
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Excellent work. Job done onwards and upwards.
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Special mention for Dions commentary at the end . ‘ Boro won’t change their game they will keep coming at them ‘. what ? they have sat back and just occasionally counter attacked 😳
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It’s our year
Stop it! :D
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Another night it would have been 0-5. Job done.
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Cash’s hit was going top bins anyway.
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Getting through without a replay is the main thing but we made harder work of it than it should have been.
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Draw is Monday night. We actually give a shit about the 4th round draw!
it's going to be a little bit bizarre. What's also curious is that we have one of the best cup managers ever and we seem to make hard work of cup games and seemingly easier work in the league. I'm sure it's all part of our evolution. Great to get through though however we managed it. And we deserved to win by many more.
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Apart from hit and hope long balls, and corners Boro had little ambition.
Got what they deserved SFA.
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It's coming home
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Was Cash sticking his fingers in his ears to the Villa fans when he scored?
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Not at our best but fully deserved win.I don't know what was worse the shit ref or Dublin's pathetic commentary.
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did the job
kamara and JJ was good
thought zaniolo was going to get that worldie
Id like to see more shots on goal
should have been a pen
commentary and Ref was a joke
can richards please fuck off
Ive just heard incredible effort by Boro zzzzzzzz
we are going to win something thsi year
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Lucky goal, but win was fully deserved, definite pen on Alex.
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Villa played okay, won endless corners and should have had a penalty. Konsa hit the post with a super header and we were completely in control throughout. The substitutions were spot on and well-timed.
Cash's goal - lucky, and he had a poor game generally. Konsa and Lenglet played well. Kamara was excellent; not so McGinn.
Duran was poor - no movement and wasn't seeing the movement around him: he needs a loan, now.
Ref was card-happy for us; perhaps he thought that he should set different standards for the Prem side. One tackle on Ramsey in the first half was really bad but not penalised.
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Cariick is on rolling out the cliches "credit to the boys" etc etc
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Phew - hard work, but through.
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Carrick refreshingly honest there
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Boro huffed and puffed, and frustrated us, but had no quality.
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Some good positives.
Kamara has come back well.
JJ is getting back to his best…..probably at 75% now.
Thought Ramsey and Moreno did well. Kamara very strong. Donk was ok too I thought. McGinn, Bailey and Duran all poor/very poor. Cash not great either. Starting to worry about form of some key players like McGinn.
On we go...
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Did enough, didnt have to get out of second gear really created plenty of chances and fully deserved. Job done and into the 4th round.
Oh and
🎶boring boring Boro
Boring boring Boro….
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Special mention for Dions commentary at the end . ‘ Boro won’t change their game they will keep coming at them ‘. what ? they have sat back and just occasionally counter attacked 😳
The commentary was cringeworthy all throughout. Set narrative (plucky boro) and stick to it.
The ref completely ruined that game for me. Shows why VAR was needed in the first place as shit as it is.
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Villa played okay, won endless corners and should have had a penalty. Konsa hit the post with a super header and we were completely in control throughout. The substitutions were spot on and well-timed.
Cash's goal - lucky, and he had a poor game generally. Konsa and Lenglet played well. Kamara was excellent; not so McGinn.
Duran was poor - no movement and wasn't seeing the movement around him: he needs a loan, now.
Ref was card-happy for us; perhaps he thought that he should set different standards for the Prem side. One tackle on Ramsey in the first half was really bad but not penalised.
Duran was like a statue in second half. Other players not happy with him.
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A hard watch but we've reached the promised land. 4th round nirvana.
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Duran blew his chance today. Clearly frustrated, not a great team player.
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Deserved to win
Hard watch
Happy enough.
5 x 1.0 in this competition will suit me great
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Villa played okay, won endless corners and should have had a penalty. Konsa hit the post with a super header and we were completely in control throughout. The substitutions were spot on and well-timed.
Cash's goal - lucky, and he had a poor game generally. Konsa and Lenglet played well. Kamara was excellent; not so McGinn.
Duran was poor - no movement and wasn't seeing the movement around him: he needs a loan, now.
Ref was card-happy for us; perhaps he thought that he should set different standards for the Prem side. One tackle on Ramsey in the first half was really bad but not penalised.
I agree except Cash’s goal was inspired, very helpful and brilliant as well as lucky.
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Pretty slow-paced first half but thought we upped the tempo in second half and did more than enough to deserve the winning goal. Got unlucky with the Konsa header so evened itself out with the winner. Job done, on we go.
Good to get more minutes in both JJ and Moreno's legs - forget that this is really only the 3rd/4th full game of the season for them, and they're both gradually looking more sharp each time they play.
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Duran blew his chance today. Clearly frustrated, not a great team player.
Very poor
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A deserved win and through to the next round. These games are never easy and being in that hat is all that matters.
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Win the tie, that's all you need to do
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Why do we call Ramsey JJ?
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Won the tie not playing particularly well. I’m not blaming Boro for their set up as we have the ability and the nois to get through. Ref was rubbish and VAR is essential for our style of play.
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Why do we call Ramsey JJ?
It's what he calls himself. Nick name from when he was younger I think.
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Won the tie not playing particularly well. I’m not blaming Boro for their set up as we have the ability and the nois to get through. Ref was rubbish and VAR is essential for our style of play.
Not sure VAR would have made much difference today apart from maybe a review of Moreno's penalty shout which I'm not sure would have been given anyway. 2 of our 6 yellows were for dissent.
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When Kamara and Luiz are on the pitch at the same time my confidence goes through the roof.
McGinn lost without them.
We did what we had to do and did no more. The best team won. Well done lads.
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Special mention for Dions commentary at the end . ‘ Boro won’t change their game they will keep coming at them ‘. what ? they have sat back and just occasionally counter attacked 😳
Yes! I almost threw my slipper at the TV due to that idiocy...
(no slippers were harmed in the making of this post.)
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Why do we call Ramsey JJ?
From memory there's 2 stories. One is it's just a family thing, the other was that he played in a team with another Jacob in it that was older than him, so he was Jacob jr which became JJ. Either way he's had that as his nickname for years.
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Cash’s hit was going top bins anyway.
It was top right. And the goalie was nowhere.
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We won and we're through to the next round. I thought Boro did okay all considered, made more of a match of it than I expected especially as they have a LC semi final on Tuesday against Chelsea. Fortunately they have no decent strikers to take advantage of their counter attacks.
Better second half but we still only seem able to pass the ball around with little impact. So few occasions we looked to take on and beat a player against a team 28 places below us in the league. I guess we should be happy it wasn't Stevenage but I do think for a team that has scored 43 goals in the league this season, we are struggling to make real goalscoring opportunities. Boro defended deep but they didn't park the bus like Sheff Utd.
Kamara showed his class with a mature, disciplined performance, Ramsey is getting there, somebody actually willing to take on a player and run with the ball, plus a great show of speed at the end to make the vital tackle. Bailey again away from Villa Park is not the same player, no real threat. Overall we made hard work of it but fortunately we're at our best in the last 10 minutes of the game.
Ref was a joke, how he's a FIFA official referee is beyond me, it must be down to quotas. Five Villa yellow cards and just the one for Boro. The PL really need to start looking at bringing in foreign refs if clowns like him are the best England have.
MOTM: Our fans. Superb again.
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A decent sized Championship team will always try to give a good account of themselves in the Cup against higher opposition, and Carrick is no mug. Just pleased to get through a potentially tricky try and be in uncharted territory aka the 4th round for the first time in 3 decades or whatever it is.
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Special mention for Dions commentary at the end . ‘ Boro won’t change their game they will keep coming at them ‘. what ? they have sat back and just occasionally counter attacked 😳
The commentary was cringeworthy all throughout. Set narrative (plucky boro) and stick to it.
The ref completely ruined that game for me. Shows why VAR was needed in the first place as shit as it is.
The annoying thing is, if the game had been played at Villa Park, we would have had a pen via VAR on the 59th minute for a clear foul on Moreno (i think it was him).
I was fully expecting a replay at Villa Park & VAR to give them something for fuck all...
And I agree about the commentary too. The BBC were practically crying at the end & all throughout the game it wasn't about Boro sitting men behind the ball & sludging up the flow of the game & hitting hopeful long balls for pace to chase. It was about hard working unlucky, plucky Boro & the superstars Villa could bring on from the subs bench.
I don't think I have ever heard that kind of commentary when we were getting dicked by stronger clubs (at that time) that had spent billions to cheat their way to the top...
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We are that stronger club.
Get a grip!
In the nicest possible way, of course.
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We are that stronger club.
Get a grip!
In the nicest possible way, of course.
Of what exactly?
I always wonder when people say this to me...
I just don't like the narratives created by the media.
As for the game, the better team won.
Granted, Boro did what they had to do to try & get a result, but only ine team was interested in winning that game.
The ref was as shit as the commentary. Should have had a pen on 59mins. Jones should have had a second yellow at around 75 mins. And the ref booking people for our players telling him he had made incorrect calls when he has made incorrect calls is all well & good when it is applied across the board. (It isnt).
I don't like Lenglet & his lack of pace playing. He makes it easier for lesser teams to just hoof long balls in behind & get the chances of rewards. Cash, despite his goal concerns me. He offers very little on that right side other than a pass back to Kamara or Konsa. Duran was also missing, although his service wasn't great.
On the flip side Douglas Luiz & Kamara are different class. They raise the game of players around them. Bailey showed good touches. And Ramsey had a decent game. Hopefully he will be back to full strength pretty soon.
Overall though, we kept pushing & got what we deserved out of the game. Whether thats due to wearing them down & tiredness, or that extra bit of quality, is probably a bit of both, but I think everybody behind the ball & ling balls into space to chase is going to be the tactic for quite a few teams going into the second half if the season...
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Another positive by the sounds of it; Dutch commentary. They hardly spoke during the game, let you watch in peace but did call out the Moreno penalty.
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I agree, they don’t react to what they are seeing on the pitch at all if it moves from the narrative. It’s even more extreme the lower the oppo as the commentators don’t generally know much about them so repeat themselves.
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Full credit to the boys, You can only beat what's in front of you, we dug in well, quietened the crowd down and got the job done . i think i'd like this management lark
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Cash’s hit was going top bins anyway.
It was top right. And the goalie was nowhere.
like the one he scored on Soccer am
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Another positive by the sounds of it; Dutch commentary. They hardly spoke during the game, let you watch in peace but did call out the Moreno penalty.
they were probably all sharing a joint
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How the fuck did we end up with 5 yellows to their 1? Another shocking referee to add to the ever expanding list.
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Very tricky match, Chelsea won't find it that easy to break Boro down.
Just glad to get it done without a replay.
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I haven't read the thread yet, and it was a shit game, but I watched us and saw players who can do things that even a couple of years ago would've been a million miles away. I normally find it less stressful to listen on the radio and follow the scorchios on here, but we're a genuinely good team, which hasn't happened for ages.
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How the fuck did we end up with 5 yellows to their 1? Another shocking referee to add to the ever expanding list.
Two were deserved and idiotic. Cash stupidly going to ground twice in a minute when no need. He won't have a future under Emery if he keeps doing that. Zaniolo was fortunate their defender skipped around him when he lunged in somewhat two footed. A moment of madness. The others we got were for "dissent"...blatant fouls not given by the ref and he books our players for complaining.
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A win is a win. Job done.
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Deserved to win
Hard watch
Happy enough.
5 x 1.0 in this competition will suit me great
6 surely? I don’t want to go to another final unless we win. Too depressing.
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A painful win but we’re in the draw. Certainly need a spring back in our step mind. Those heady autumnal heights against Brighton, West Ham etc seem a distant memory.
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Another positive by the sounds of it; Dutch commentary. They hardly spoke during the game, let you watch in peace but did call out the Moreno penalty.
they were probably all sharing a joint
Or just not babbling on like they do on the Beeb , who i still love btw 😃
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Middlesbrough 0-1 Aston Villa: Matty Cash hits deflected 87th-minute winner - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67894701
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We are that stronger club.
Get a grip!
In the nicest possible way, of course.
Of what exactly?
I always wonder when people say this to me...
I just don't like the narratives created by the media.
That’s fair; I don’t like them, either.
It’s why I responded in the way I did, to your post.
I read the last line as a complaint about how clubs outside ‘The Big Six’ are commented about, by professional commentators and pundits.
I agree, and thought your post was accurate about the past but I disagreed with your complaining about the narrative around losing when we are now in a far better position. Hence, GAG! 😃
That’s it, PP; up the Villa!
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It was always going to be hard work and so it proved. These kind of games always are. We did ok.
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Be nice to watch the 4th round draw for a change. Had to work hard for it
It'll be about 10:30 am in BC.
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Dreadful, awful game but the result is all that matters.
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Just as well we didn’t rest too many players Tim.
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Is it my imagination or did it take a second little nick off Niccolo? Maybe it was just the spin on it that gave it that illusion
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We are that stronger club.
Get a grip!
In the nicest possible way, of course.
Of what exactly?
I always wonder when people say this to me...
I just don't like the narratives created by the media.
That’s fair; I don’t like them, either.
It’s why I responded in the way I did, to your post.
I read the last line as a complaint about how clubs outside ‘The Big Six’ are commented about, by professional commentators and pundits.
I agree, and thought your post was accurate about the past but I disagreed with your complaining about the narrative around losing when we are now in a far better position. Hence, GAG! 😃
That’s it, PP; up the Villa!
Tbh, it was purely about media narratives & their inconsistencies.
The last sentence was more of a throwaway comment about it.
But I appreciate that tone & context are often lost in text form. And I do understand that sometimes my posts come across as more aggressive than I intend them. Thats down to my poor communication skills, lol.
I just have a sarcastic & dry sense of humour & that is not always easy to recognise in text.
Up the Villa! 👍
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We are that stronger club.
Get a grip!
In the nicest possible way, of course.
Of what exactly?
I always wonder when people say this to me...
I just don't like the narratives created by the media.
That’s fair; I don’t like them, either.
It’s why I responded in the way I did, to your post.
I read the last line as a complaint about how clubs outside ‘The Big Six’ are commented about, by professional commentators and pundits.
I agree, and thought your post was accurate about the past but I disagreed with your complaining about the narrative around losing when we are now in a far better position. Hence, GAG! 😃
That’s it, PP; up the Villa!
Tbh, it was purely about media narratives & their inconsistencies.
The last sentence was more of a throwaway comment about it.
But I appreciate that tone & context are often lost in text form. And I do understand that sometimes my posts come across as more aggressive than I intend them. Thats down to my poor communication skills, lol.
I just have a sarcastic & dry sense of humour & that is not always easy to recognise in text.
Up the Villa! 👍
And so say all of us! 👍
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We deserved to win on the balance of play, no doubt.
I was struck by a moment early in the game when the ball went back to Emi, and he just stood on it and waited for their press, which never came. A similar thing happened against Burnley.
In theory, he could have waited for five minutes, and then we could have knocked it around at the back for another five minutes, and on and on.
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A hard watch but we've reached the promised land. 4th round nirvana.
Smells like team spirit, in a manner of speaking!
Just hope we get a home draw, but it would be so Villa to have our first home defeat of this season in the FA Cup, and go out!
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That ref is even more arrogant than Mike Dean & that takes some going. An absolute first class arsehole & he's like that every time he refs.
Anyway, we did enough without really being threatened. Home draw next please.against someone shite.
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Honestly got away with that a bit. Should absolutely be creating more than that.
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Just hope we get a home draw, but it would be so Villa to have our first home defeat of this season in the FA Cup, and go out!
Wouldn't that have been the Everton League cup game?
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A hard watch but we've reached the promised land. 4th round nirvana.
Smells like team spirit, in a manner of speaking!
Just hope we get a home draw, but it would be so Villa to have our first home defeat of this season in the FA Cup, and go out!
Everton?
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Honestly got away with that a bit. Should absolutely be creating more than that.
Agree we should have created more but only one team was ever going to win that.
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Honestly got away with that a bit. Should absolutely be creating more than that.
Really? I thought we were well worth the win. We hit the bar, post and had a blatant penalty ignored. Plus about 5 half chances that on another day would go in. We won comfortably I thought.
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Honestly got away with that a bit. Should absolutely be creating more than that.
Really? I thought we were well worth the win. We hit the bar, post and had a blatant penalty ignored. Plus about 5 half chances that on another day would go in. We won comfortably I thought.
Half chances though, and yes that header is a couple of centimetres more accurate and it's a different story, but for all our dominance their sitting in did that does to us quite a lot of the time. We desperately need to find ways of unlocking deep defences.
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A laborious victory. Job done.
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I'm not sure I agree with the comments about having to work hard, we had to be patient but for me we never really got out of first gear.
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Dreadful, awful game but the result is all that matters.
Fred Flintstone.
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I'm not sure I agree with the comments about having to work hard, we had to be patient but for me we never really got out of first gear.
It looked largely like a training match to me.
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Honestly got away with that a bit. Should absolutely be creating more than that.
Really? I thought we were well worth the win. We hit the bar, post and had a blatant penalty ignored. Plus about 5 half chances that on another day would go in. We won comfortably I thought.
Half chances though, and yes that header is a couple of centimetres more accurate and it's a different story, but for all our dominance their sitting in did that does to us quite a lot of the time. We desperately need to find ways of unlocking deep defences.
We rarely steam roller the teams sitting deep and compact - does any team these days? Even Guardiola bought Haarland to get around this type of defence.
We won, deservedly so, against a team who parked the bus/.
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I'm not sure I agree with the comments about having to work hard, we had to be patient but for me we never really got out of first gear.
It looked largely like a training match to me.
Same here.
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I'm not sure I agree with the comments about having to work hard, we had to be patient but for me we never really got out of first gear.
It looked largely like a training match to me.
Same here.
Yep, that's how I saw it.
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I'm not sure I agree with the comments about having to work hard, we had to be patient but for me we never really got out of first gear.
Yep, as you said, we make teams run a lot and logically if you're patient, chances start to come as the game wears on.
I remember when I was a kid, when English teams played in Europe, everyone was in awe of the forrins' ability to keep the ball and tire out the sad pasty-faced John Bulls, with their poor technique and Golden Retriever-like tendency to gallop forward on the rare occasions they won back possession.
Now we're playing like the Italian sides I used to be jealous of in the 90s.
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A hard watch but we've reached the promised land. 4th round nirvana.
Smells like team spirit, in a manner of speaking!
Just hope we get a home draw, but it would be so Villa to have our first home defeat of this season in the FA Cup, and go out!
Everton?
Whoops: I'd forgotten that. My bad (as the kids say)!
Still hoping for a home draw, though: I'm still having PTSD from our most recent previous Man Utd (A) fixture!
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Same here, “Dreadful” “Awful” it was not, hard work as in getting the winning goal, but as Risso,Paul and Paulie have said it was a routine win in the end.
Solid performance and good to have Kamara back, thought he orchestrated things well as usual in the middle.
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Routine win it was not.
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For those old enough it was similar to 4th Rd v Sheff Utd away in 1996.
We were the better team in a season where we were doing well and they were doing well.
I hear Dion (who we all like) saying things like '....not moving the ball forward quick enough...' Sometimes but that isn't our game. Its about craft, guille and presicison.
DD the game has moved on in the last 5 years let alone 20 years ago when you were playing
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We are going to have to get used to teams doing what Boro did. Everton will be another version of the same system.
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One for BE to mull over.
Aston Villa manger Unai Emery speaking to BBC Sport after the game: "We were remembering before the match the past few years where we have not qualified past the third round, but today we played seriously for 90 minutes with a game plan and we controlled the game a lot.
"We created not very clear chances but, in the second half, we created very good chances and they had some good attacks.
"We were keeping in our mind the game plan and our passions. At the end we won and, more or less, I think we deserved it."
On Aston Villa's mentality: "The mentality that you have to be there everyday and you have to get experiences and see what we're facing.
"We were keeping in our mind the game plan and until the last minute we were trying to be very positive in our area and, at the end, we won. It was fantastic."
On Middlesbrough: "They had very good players trying to combinate, play with possession and trying to get in behind."
On currently competing in three competitions: "We have to go into each match and get the best result. The first target is to be consistent through the Premier League and then to try to be consistent in the Conference League and the FA Cup. But, of course, we have to be consistent and we have to face each competition and improve."
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For those old enough it was similar to 4th Rd v Sheff Utd away in 1996.
We were the better team in a season where we were doing well and they were doing well.
I hear Dion (who we all like) saying things like '....not moving the ball forward quick enough...' Sometimes but that isn't our game. Its about craft, guille and presicison.
DD the game has moved on in the last 5 years let alone 20 years ago when you were playing
I thought that when Dublin was going on about Emi standing with his foot on the ball. "What's he doing?!" Watched us a lot recently have you, Dion?
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Why me?
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The fact we had to bring on Watkins, Luiz, and Diaby means that we had to get into 2nd gear, at the very least.
On another note, as someone else kind of suggested, I'd like to have seen Zaniolo started up front. Maybe in the next round, depending on the draw, we might try something different in that respect, especially if Durán does go to Italy.
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For those old enough it was similar to 4th Rd v Sheff Utd away in 1996.
We were the better team in a season where we were doing well and they were doing well.
I hear Dion (who we all like) saying things like '....not moving the ball forward quick enough...' Sometimes but that isn't our game. Its about craft, guille and presicison.
DD the game has moved on in the last 5 years let alone 20 years ago when you were playing
I thought that when Dublin was going on about Emi standing with his foot on the ball. "What's he doing?!" Watched us a lot recently have you, Dion?
I want to like Dion Dublin, but his commentary makes me think he knows feck all / wants to sound like the other pundits. He’s my least favourite and that’s weird given his connections. Same with Hendrie.
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Why me?
Because you’re always good at anticipating his comments and I reckon these are close. Only having a laugh mate.
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I'll take the same performance and result on May 25th.
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The fact we had to bring on Watkins, Luiz, and Diaby means that we had to get into 2nd gear, at the very least.
On another note, as someone else kind of suggested, I'd like to have seen Zaniolo started up front. Maybe in the next round, depending on the draw, we might try something different in that respect, especially if Durán does go to Italy.
Luiz stood out, he played a few passes between the lines that no one else in our team is capable of. Sideways and safe is all well and good but sometimes you have to take a risk. Diaby missed a sitter. Zaniolo nearly got a scorchio
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For those old enough it was similar to 4th Rd v Sheff Utd away in 1996.
We were the better team in a season where we were doing well and they were doing well.
I hear Dion (who we all like) saying things like '....not moving the ball forward quick enough...' Sometimes but that isn't our game. Its about craft, guille and presicison.
DD the game has moved on in the last 5 years let alone 20 years ago when you were playing
I thought that when Dublin was going on about Emi standing with his foot on the ball. "What's he doing?!" Watched us a lot recently have you, Dion?
Dion - he is doing that so the opposition have to move a little because he isn't gonna hoof it down the middle for a big man to win a header and create a chance it 1 in 8 as that is now 1 in 20
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Why me?
Because you’re always good at anticipating his comments and I reckon these are close. Only having a laugh mate.
Ah I see now that you were transmitting your energy, connecting with the posters!
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The fact we had to bring on Watkins, Luiz, and Diaby means that we had to get into 2nd gear, at the very least.
On another note, as someone else kind of suggested, I'd like to have seen Zaniolo started up front. Maybe in the next round, depending on the draw, we might try something different in that respect, especially if Durán does go to Italy.
Luiz stood out, he played a few passes between the lines that no one else in our team is capable of. Sideways and safe is all well and good but sometimes you have to take a risk. Diaby missed a sitter. Zaniolo nearly got a scorchio
Luiz is the best impact player at the club. He is also the best outfield at the club
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Although he wasn't really called into action too many times, Emi Martinez showed how important it is to have a quality keeper in games like that. He snuffed out any real pressure they had by his reading of the game and the ease with which he took the ball that was fizzed low across the box in the closing stages.
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Why me?
Because you’re always good at anticipating his comments and I reckon these are close. Only having a laugh mate.
Ah I see now that you were transmitting your energy, connecting with the posters!
I was! And every day the posters need to feel it in the moment.
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FA Cup: Aston Villa into fourth round thanks to late Matty Cash winner at Middlesbrough - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/67873063
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I enjoyed watching that.
Never looked like losing it, and could have had a hatfull. Moreno and Ramsey getting closer to match fit. Good cameo from Zaniolo. Subs made a difference.
Pleased Cash got the goal, he worked hard all game.
Ref was awful. Still puzzled how we got so many yellows, whilst they should have had a lot more.
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How the fuck did we end up with 5 yellows to their 1? Another shocking referee to add to the ever expanding list.
Did we even had 5 fouls
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How the fuck did we end up with 5 yellows to their 1? Another shocking referee to add to the ever expanding list.
Did we even had 5 fouls
The ref was chronic.
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We are winning in many different ways. That will help us long term. The experience is invaluable.
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How the fuck did we end up with 5 yellows to their 1? Another shocking referee to add to the ever expanding list.
Did we even had 5 fouls
No. Two of them were for dissent.
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Cash and Bailey, I think.
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One thing tonight proved is that you know Unai is taking the whole thing seriously
Wasn’t really a weakened team I’m not sure whether we could actually field one now in the same way as we did at Old Trafford last year
A lot of the rubbisher players have gone and we have replacements that aren’t really liabilities like before
As long as Martinez stays fit we will be okay because that’s the only position that would give you the nervous shakes
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Just as well we didn’t rest too many players Tim.
Well lets see, i only really care most about the league and finishing top 4 . If this rebounds on tired players next Sunday then it will have been a mistake picking that team, the whole point of a squad is to use it.
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Why? I want us to be successful in Europe and see us win the FA Cup before I die.
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So Stevenage got knocked out today by Maidstone Utd. Which we, of course should take no pleasure from. Lol!
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So Stevenage got knocked out today by Maidstone Utd. Which we, of course should take no pleasure from. Lol!
I was pleased because there's a poster from Maidstone on here who follows them. Nothing more than that, and I hope he gets his dream draw.
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We won and we're through to the next round. I thought Boro did okay all considered, made more of a match of it than I expected especially as they have a LC semi final on Tuesday against Chelsea. Fortunately they have no decent strikers to take advantage of their counter attacks.
Better second half but we still only seem able to pass the ball around with little impact. So few occasions we looked to take on and beat a player against a team 28 places below us in the league. I guess we should be happy it wasn't Stevenage but I do think for a team that has scored 43 goals in the league this season, we are struggling to make real goalscoring opportunities. Boro defended deep but they didn't park the bus like Sheff Utd.
Kamara showed his class with a mature, disciplined performance, Ramsey is getting there, somebody actually willing to take on a player and run with the ball, plus a great show of speed at the end to make the vital tackle. Bailey again away from Villa Park is not the same player, no real threat. Overall we made hard work of it but fortunately we're at our best in the last 10 minutes of the game.
Ref was a joke, how he's a FIFA official referee is beyond me, it must be down to quotas. Five Villa yellow cards and just the one for Boro. The PL really need to start looking at bringing in foreign refs if clowns like him are the best England have.
MOTM: Our fans. Superb again.
We are a much better team offensively with Watkins
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Same.
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Why? I want us to be successful in Europe and see us win the FA Cup before I die.
so do i, I just don't think its realistic to get all 3 this season. Something will give and as we have such a great chance of top 4 (which will help the club grow) i don't want that jeapordised
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Why? I want us to be successful in Europe and see us win the FA Cup before I die.
so do i, I just don't think its realistic to get all 3 this season. Something will give and as we have such a great chance of top 4 (which will help the club grow) i don't want that jeapordised
I am in the , we can not do all 3 camp.
At some point UE will have to make a decision, not sure when that comes, maybe when we have the draw for the next rounds and subject to the state of the squad.
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One for BE to mull over.
Aston Villa manger Unai Emery speaking to BBC Sport after the game: "We were remembering before the match the past few years where we have not qualified past the third round, but today we played seriously for 90 minutes with a game plan and we controlled the game a lot.
"We created not very clear chances but, in the second half, we created very good chances and they had some good attacks.
"We were keeping in our mind the game plan and our passions. At the end we won and, more or less, I think we deserved it."
On Aston Villa's mentality: "The mentality that you have to be there everyday and you have to get experiences and see what we're facing.
"We were keeping in our mind the game plan and until the last minute we were trying to be very positive in our area and, at the end, we won. It was fantastic."
On Middlesbrough: "They had very good players trying to combinate, play with possession and trying to get in behind."
On currently competing in three competitions: "We have to go into each match and get the best result. The first target is to be consistent through the Premier League and then to try to be consistent in the Conference League and the FA Cup. But, of course, we have to be consistent and we have to face each competition and improve."
Anyone else reading that in Unais voice ?
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Job done, spent the first half controlling the game and were dragging Boro side to side without us creating much. Upped the pace in the second half and deservedly got the winner. Blimey we are in the 4th round draw, no reds and no injuries either.
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Why? I want us to be successful in Europe and see us win the FA Cup before I die.
so do i, I just don't think its realistic to get all 3 this season. Something will give and as we have such a great chance of top 4 (which will help the club grow) i don't want that jeapordised
I am in the , we can not do all 3 camp.
At some point UE will have to make a decision, not sure when that comes, maybe when we have the draw for the next rounds and subject to the state of the squad.
Probably February/March once fixtures start piling up again. How we get on with injuries / suspensions etc will also be a big factor but the law of averages says we will have some to deal with.
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Job done, spent the first half controlling the game and were dragging Boro side to side without us creating much. Upped the pace in the second half and deservedly got the winner. Blimey we are in the 4th round draw, no reds and no injuries either.
That's the main thing, and also how I saw the game.
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Why? I want us to be successful in Europe and see us win the FA Cup before I die.
so do i, I just don't think its realistic to get all 3 this season. Something will give and as we have such a great chance of top 4 (which will help the club grow) i don't want that jeapordised
I think Unai is better placed to decide how to use his squad than any of us.
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Why? I want us to be successful in Europe and see us win the FA Cup before I die.
so do i, I just don't think its realistic to get all 3 this season. Something will give and as we have such a great chance of top 4 (which will help the club grow) i don't want that jeapordised
I am in the , we can not do all 3 camp.
At some point UE will have to make a decision, not sure when that comes, maybe when we have the draw for the next rounds and subject to the state of the squad.
Probably February/March once fixtures start piling up again. How we get on with injuries / suspensions etc will also be a big factor but the law of averages says we will have some to deal with.
Mings, Beundia, Ramsey, Moreno, Tielemans, Kamara, Torres, Digne….all major injuries, with a suspension thrown in, we’ve coped so far.
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Why? I want us to be successful in Europe and see us win the FA Cup before I die.
so do i, I just don't think its realistic to get all 3 this season. Something will give and as we have such a great chance of top 4 (which will help the club grow) i don't want that jeapordised
I am in the , we can not do all 3 camp.
At some point UE will have to make a decision, not sure when that comes, maybe when we have the draw for the next rounds and subject to the state of the squad.
Probably February/March once fixtures start piling up again. How we get on with injuries / suspensions etc will also be a big factor but the law of averages says we will have some to deal with.
Mings, Beundia, Ramsey, Moreno, Tielemans, Kamara, Torres, Digne….all major injuries, with a suspension thrown in, we’ve coped so far.
Something will give like it did In the first half of the season - carabao cup. The conference league games you would expect now out of the group will go up a notch in intensity , likewise the premier league games as we reach the business end. Recent performances have slipped . It's going to be a tougher second half of the campaign , doesn't mean we won't cope but it's going to be tough.
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Just as well we didn’t rest too many players Tim.
Well lets see, i only really care most about the league and finishing top 4 . If this rebounds on tired players next Sunday then it will have been a mistake picking that team, the whole point of a squad is to use it.
Yes the squad is there for rotation and we can do that against Everton.
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Everton will not be a push over.
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Everton will not be a push over.
Strongest XI required. It certainly isn't a game for rotation, that was today.
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Why? I want us to be successful in Europe and see us win the FA Cup before I die.
so do i, I just don't think its realistic to get all 3 this season. Something will give and as we have such a great chance of top 4 (which will help the club grow) i don't want that jeapordised
I would sacrifice the top four or five right now for an FA Cup win.
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Another late goal as well.
We don't quit.
It's partly about us not quitting but more importantly it's that we make teams cover a lot of ground defending and tire them down. Tired players make mistakes and we capitalise on it.
That's a bloody good point paul!
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After the Burnley game I posted that we've scored 10 league goals this season from 85+ mins, winning us 10 points. Plus a number of others from 70-85 mins.
We've also scored 2 winners in cup games 85+ mins. And a couple more in the 70-85 mark.
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Dreadful, awful game but the result is all that matters.
Fred Flintstone.
Ha!
Just what I thought.
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Why? I want us to be successful in Europe and see us win the FA Cup before I die.
so do i, I just don't think its realistic to get all 3 this season. Something will give and as we have such a great chance of top 4 (which will help the club grow) i don't want that jeapordised
I am in the , we can not do all 3 camp.
At some point UE will have to make a decision, not sure when that comes, maybe when we have the draw for the next rounds and subject to the state of the squad.
He's made it very clear that the PL is the priority....and that we want to do well in the ECL and the FA Cup.
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Why? I want us to be successful in Europe and see us win the FA Cup before I die.
so do i, I just don't think its realistic to get all 3 this season. Something will give and as we have such a great chance of top 4 (which will help the club grow) i don't want that jeapordised
I am in the , we can not do all 3 camp.
At some point UE will have to make a decision, not sure when that comes, maybe when we have the draw for the next rounds and subject to the state of the squad.
Probably February/March once fixtures start piling up again. How we get on with injuries / suspensions etc will also be a big factor but the law of averages says we will have some to deal with.
Mings, Beundia, Ramsey, Moreno, Tielemans, Kamara, Torres, Digne….all major injuries, with a suspension thrown in, we’ve coped so far.
Yep.
SUE has not once complained about injuries, suspensions, refs, VAR or other stuff.
He has shown immense faith in his players and the squad generally.
That's his way.
You work with what you've got....and he demonstrates that he has faith in what he's got.
Credit to him and the players he has faith in.
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Everton will not be a push over.
Strongest XI required. It certainly isn't a game for rotation, that was today.
After Everton, they have two weeks off. We are fine.
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A laborious victory. Job done.
This.
Got up at 2:30 to watch it, and was a struggle to stay awake at times.
But we never seem to give up under Emery and all these late goals are exactly what teams who win everything do.
Up the fucking Villa!
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Well, yes. One might liken it to a training match but I'm sure keeping possession, making Middlesvilla run around, and passing the ball around their area trying to get an opening takes time and effort, which is why I called it laborious. It was definitely not high-intensity though.
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Poor first half, much improved second half. I thought their subs made them better or maybe they were just being a tad more expansive at that point but the second half was more of a cup tie.
Boro fan on the radio moaning that the only time he heard the Villa fans was after we scored, maybe that shit incessant drum has effected his hearing?
He also complained that we had to bring 4 quality players off the bench to get the win.
Thought we did enough to win, I know it’s got us this far but I’d like to see a bit of variety in the play on occasions or when the chance arises. Also let’s bloody shoot a bit more when the space opens up for us.
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I only saw the last 25 minutes or so but as far as I could see we were in total control.
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Everton will not be a push over.
Strongest XI required. It certainly isn't a game for rotation, that was today.
After Everton, they have two weeks off. We are fine.
Not any more we don’t!
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Everton will not be a push over.
Strongest XI required. It certainly isn't a game for rotation, that was today.
After Everton, they have two weeks off. We are fine.
Not any more we don’t!
I think we do Amfy. The weekend after is blank rather than the fourth round, which is around the 27th I believe.
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Fourth round games are played on the weekend of the 27th I reckon, mate.
I am probably wrong of course!
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why did they ram so many games into December then there's a blank weekend in January.
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Fourth round games are played on the weekend of the 27th I reckon, mate.
I am probably wrong of course!
No you’re right. Which is a fortnight, as usav said.
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Fourth round games are played on the weekend of the 27th I reckon, mate.
I am probably wrong of course!
No you’re right. Which is a fortnight, as usav said.
Ah, ok mate.
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why did they ram so many games into December then there's a blank weekend in January.
It’s the winter break.
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why did they ram so many games into December then there's a blank weekend in January.
It was to make a free weekend in January for a 'winter break'
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Controlled the game. Increasingly frequent how often we face these ambitionless low block sides that sit in. Brentford, Luton, Forest, Sheffield United, Burnley and while understandable for a midtable 2nd division side, it is generating a need for a lot of patience.
Plenty of chances to win the game comfortably, Konsa and his header was a whisker away, their keeper made a pair of good saves, while Moreno ought to have had the most stick on penalty you'll see. The referee was abysmal.
Thought Duran didn't occupy the centre halves enough and McGinn isn't a 10.
Our subs were a significant upgrade in quality and goal always felt like it was coming to me. Funny how the very best sides consistently find a way and late on in games.
We miss Yuri and his excellent ability to pick a pass to make these games more comfortable.
A big lump to fire crosses into the box or a Grealish type to draw men on would help going forwards, but that's probably a longer term build.
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First time hearing a new SUE song yesterday, how long has that been in circulation as don’t remember hearing it against Burnley?
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For those old enough it was similar to 4th Rd v Sheff Utd away in 1996.
We were the better team in a season where we were doing well and they were doing well.
I hear Dion (who we all like) saying things like '....not moving the ball forward quick enough...' Sometimes but that isn't our game. Its about craft, guille and presicison.
DD the game has moved on in the last 5 years let alone 20 years ago when you were playing
I thought that when Dublin was going on about Emi standing with his foot on the ball. "What's he doing?!" Watched us a lot recently have you, Dion?
I want to like Dion Dublin, but his commentary makes me think he knows feck all / wants to sound like the other pundits. He’s my least favourite and that’s weird given his connections. Same with Hendrie.
I don’t mind. Dublin was a great player for Villa and a decent guy. I don’t care if he talks shit.
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I like the guy but he's a truly awful co-commentator in a strong field.
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Controlled the game. Increasingly frequent how often we face these ambitionless low block sides that sit in. Brentford, Luton, Forest, Sheffield United, Burnley and while understandable for a midtable 2nd division side, it is generating a need for a lot of patience.
Plenty of chances to win the game comfortably, Konsa and his header was a whisker away, their keeper made a pair of good saves, while Moreno ought to have had the most stick on penalty you'll see. The referee was abysmal.
Thought Duran didn't occupy the centre halves enough and McGinn isn't a 10.
Our subs were a significant upgrade in quality and goal always felt like it was coming to me. Funny how the very best sides consistently find a way and late on in games.
We miss Yuri and his excellent ability to pick a pass to make these games more comfortable.
A big lump to fire crosses into the box or a Grealish type to draw men on would help going forwards, but that's probably a longer term build.
Did we hit the post too?
Or did I dream that?
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First time hearing a new SUE song yesterday, how long has that been in circulation as don’t remember hearing it against Burnley?
Are you referring to the Mrs Robinson tune? If so, then I first heard it in Mostar I think.
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I like the guy but he's a truly awful co-commentator in a strong field.
Yes, I said the same in our group WhatsApp during the game. He should stick to Homes Under The Hammer.
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I like the guy but he's a truly awful co-commentator in a strong field.
Yes, I said the same in our group WhatsApp during the game. He should stick to Homes Under The Hammer.
I am sure and have heard he is a very nice bloke, but an absolute shite Co commentator.
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https://x.com/bryansgunn/status/1734282222000087385?s=20
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I like the guy but he's a truly awful co-commentator in a strong field.
Yes, I said the same in our group WhatsApp during the game. He should stick to Homes Under The Hammer.
I like the guy but he's a truly awful co-commentator in a strong field.
Yes, I said the same in our group WhatsApp during the game. He should stick to Homes Under The Hammer.
I much prefer Martel Maxwell in that
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Controlled the game. Increasingly frequent how often we face these ambitionless low block sides that sit in. Brentford, Luton, Forest, Sheffield United, Burnley and while understandable for a midtable 2nd division side, it is generating a need for a lot of patience.
Plenty of chances to win the game comfortably, Konsa and his header was a whisker away, their keeper made a pair of good saves, while Moreno ought to have had the most stick on penalty you'll see. The referee was abysmal.
Thought Duran didn't occupy the centre halves enough and McGinn isn't a 10.
Our subs were a significant upgrade in quality and goal always felt like it was coming to me. Funny how the very best sides consistently find a way and late on in games.
We miss Yuri and his excellent ability to pick a pass to make these games more comfortable.
A big lump to fire crosses into the box or a Grealish type to draw men on would help going forwards, but that's probably a longer term build.
Did we hit the post too?
Or did I dream that?
Think it was Konsa who headed against the foot of the post
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Controlled the game. Increasingly frequent how often we face these ambitionless low block sides that sit in. Brentford, Luton, Forest, Sheffield United, Burnley and while understandable for a midtable 2nd division side, it is generating a need for a lot of patience.
Plenty of chances to win the game comfortably, Konsa and his header was a whisker away, their keeper made a pair of good saves, while Moreno ought to have had the most stick on penalty you'll see. The referee was abysmal.
Thought Duran didn't occupy the centre halves enough and McGinn isn't a 10.
Our subs were a significant upgrade in quality and goal always felt like it was coming to me. Funny how the very best sides consistently find a way and late on in games.
We miss Yuri and his excellent ability to pick a pass to make these games more comfortable.
A big lump to fire crosses into the box or a Grealish type to draw men on would help going forwards, but that's probably a longer term build.
Did we hit the post too?
Or did I dream that?
Think it was Konsa who headed against the foot of the post
It was.
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I like the guy but he's a truly awful co-commentator in a strong field.
Yes, I said the same in our group WhatsApp during the game. He should stick to Homes Under The Hammer.
My office at work is near the Lickey Hills and the grounds are sometimes used for location shots for the BBC for things like Doctors and last year Homes under the Hammer. I wasn’t there the day they last filmed, but one ir two colleagues met Dion and said he was lovely. Top player for us as well. Also felt emotional when he got emotional live on air at a FA cup game after big Cyrille died.
But he’s a very limited and ultimately annoying pundit. He really doesnt have any real breadth of knowledge of the modern game or tactical awareness.
I tell you which ex Villa player is good, Stephen Warnock.
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I like the guy but he's a truly awful co-commentator in a strong field.
Yes, I said the same in our group WhatsApp during the game. He should stick to Homes Under The Hammer.
I tell you which ex Villa player is good, Stephen Warnock.
to be fair to Warnock , he did same Villa would finish top 4 at the beginning of season.
lets hope he is right.
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Warlock spent some time watching us train and is utterly evangelical to Emery now, which marks him from his peers including our own former centre forward who commentated last night like it was the first time he'd watched us under Emery.
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Warlock spent some time watching us train and is utterly evangelical to Emery now, which marks him from his peers including our own former centre forward who commentated last night like it was the first time he'd watched us under Emery.
So you're saying he's magic?
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First time hearing a new SUE song yesterday, how long has that been in circulation as don’t remember hearing it against Burnley?
Are you referring to the Mrs Robinson tune? If so, then I first heard it in Mostar I think.
That’s the one, I quite liked it!
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Warlock spent some time watching us train and is utterly evangelical to Emery now, which marks him from his peers including our own former centre forward who commentated last night like it was the first time he'd watched us under Emery.
So you're saying he's magic?
Yes, despite having a difficult spell as a player here.
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Was very impressed by Paul Robinson (former Leeds goalie) on MOTD2 last week. Knew what he was talking about, respectful & insightful to the intentions of each teams tactics (think he analysed Fulham v Arsenal and Spurs v Bournemouth).
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Warlock spent some time watching us train and is utterly evangelical to Emery now, which marks him from his peers including our own former centre forward who commentated last night like it was the first time he'd watched us under Emery.
So you're saying he's magic?
Yes, despite having a difficult spell as a player here.
I couldn't stand him in a Villa shirt, irrationally so
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We made hard work of it but I'm glad we won great day out.
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why did they ram so many games into December then there's a blank weekend in January.
It’s the winter break.
is that the weekend of 20/21 Jan ? There's at least 4 Prem games that weekend so it doesn't sound like much of a break
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It's staggered over a couple of weekends, but everyone gets two weeks off. It's the third time there's been one.
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It's staggered over a couple of weekends, but everyone gets two weeks off. It's the third time there's been one.
unless you're in the FA Cup ?
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If you're foolish enough to draw your game, yes.
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If you're foolish enough to draw your game, yes.
like West Ham for instance
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Awful 1st half and if you were not a Villa or Boro fan, you would have turned on to another channel
2nd half the game was better, Moreno was our best attacker throughout the game. Both McGinn and Bailey were poor
Hopefully this is the start of the journey to winning this trophy!!!
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We did enough and played in second gear. This was never going to be a classic .
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We do not have a manual gearbox. An Emery team has an automatic transmission with Eco and Sport modes.
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One thing which has just occurred to me is how our winner on Saturday was the mirror image of the Stevenage winner last season!
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Made hard work of it against a team that were there for the taking IMHO?
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One thing which has just occurred to me is how our winner on Saturday was the mirror image of the Stevenage winner last season!
Spooky wasn't it
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Upped the tempo after the break and looked all the better for it.
Having seen us play out some 'slow' passages of play in the Euro games, I wonder if this is part of Emery's strategy to not knacker the players out by having them give 110% effort for 110% of the time.*
Alternatively, the first half could be said to not be very good.
* As a former manager put it.