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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Footy-Vill on August 29, 2022, 01:38:10 PM
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Arsenal v Aston Villa Wednesday 31st 2022
kick off 730pm BT Sport
Discussion and forecasts.
First time doing this hoping to bring good fortune in a challenging match and 2 games in 4 days. (2nd of 3 in 6 days)
Arsenal are the form team, having played four games and winning four.
However, because of our recent performances let's wish for some complacency and with the use of squads, they may rest and rotate some of their players and might not be as fluid as they have been.
2019/20
Nearly three years ago, September, we led twice before losing 3-2 after conceding two goals in the final nine minutes.
But Villa improved against teams like Arsenal, and we beat them 1-0 later that season when we needed it the most. And we defeated them the next two times we faced them the following season.
2020/2021
So, two years ago, in 2020, we went to the Emirates and won 3-0, and we were fantastic. Outplayed them off the park. Wonderful.
2021/22.
We lost badly 3-1 under Dean Smith, with Ramsey coming on after 70 minutes and scoring a screamer. Bailey replaced Tuanzebe at halftime, with the score 2-0.
Our Starting lineup last season with 5 at the back till half time:
Emiliano Martínez
Tyrone Mings
Matt Targett
Axel Tuanzebe
Ezri Konsa
Matty Cash
Emi Buendía
Douglas Luiz
John McGinn
Danny Ings
Ollie Watkins
2022/23
I think the line up on Wednesday we be altered again from West Ham.
I can see Bailey coming in and Ramsey reinstated as well as Buendia. And Mings if fit.
Prediction:
Its imperative to get a result from this and I'm going to say a 0-0 draw more in hope than expectation.
Line up:
Emiliano Martínez
Matty Cash, Callum Chambers, Tyrone Mings Luca Digne
John McGinn Boubar Kamara, Jacob Ramsey
Leon Bailey, Ollie Watkins, Emi Buendía
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Do we have to? Let's just have a new pre-season with a new staff and resume after the World Cup, mmkay?
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Early Arsenal goal. Collapse. Slaughter. And those players have it within themselves to beat Arsenal easily. But when there's a guy on the touchline you don't trust, respect or like... well let's just say the impetus isn't there.
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Sigh!!
It could be horrible.
Pack the midfield the only option for me.
Martinez
Cash. Konsa. Chambers. Digne
Kamara. Luiz
Ramsey
Bailey. Beundia
Watkins
Cant bring myself to predict the score.
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Only saw us at Arsenal once. O'Leary was our manager and we didn't like him much and he liked us about the same.
Expectations were low and swiftly realised as they battered us 5-0.
"You can have O'Leary back" was the chant that I'll not forget from the Villa fans that day.
This has the makings of a similar kind of night for us.
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Arsenal 5 Villa 0
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A defeat. It’s just a case of how many.
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Martinez
Digne
Mings
Chambers
Cash
Tim
Kamara
Doug
Coots
Watkins
Buendia
That's what I'd go for.
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Defeat. In fact I would take a 1-0 defeat now. Arsenal to win 4-0.
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If Gerrard is sacked before the game it would give the players a bounce. Might even scrape a draw. Otherwise a nailed on defeat.
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4-0 defeat, and another nail in the coffin
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2-2
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2-2
loving that optimism 😃
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Can't see anything other than a comfortable Arsenal victory. We will start really well for the first five minutes just to give us all hope, quickly followed by...
(https://c.tenor.com/w-aA8i3sK78AAAAM/dads-were-doomed.gif)
Just hope they lose interest and it's limited to 2-0.
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The sense of inevitability is overwhelming at the moment, given his comments yesterday the Manager isn't going to change tack, the glib "I'm all in" claptrap tells you that. He's thrown the gauntlet down to the players who, on recent evidence would rather pick up a dog turd.
Let's hope for a surprise result, hope seems to be our best bet.
3-0
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I've got a weird feeling we will win this one
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8-0.
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I'll go 4-1 Arsenal, with Cam coming on late to give us a consolation goal.
No idea how we plan on competing with them given our current formation and struggles to create chances. I think they'll pass around us like a warmup match with the U-23's after an international break. Someone remind me to get beer on the way home from work on Wednesday.
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I think either we’ll be overrun totally and lose 4/5-0 or playing top opposition will spur us on … in which case we play well and lose 2-1.
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Heavy loss incoming especially if stuck with our current manager.
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Only saw us at Arsenal once. O'Leary was our manager and we didn't like him much and he liked us about the same.
Expectations were low and swiftly realised as they battered us 5-0.
"You can have O'Leary back" was the chant that I'll not forget from the Villa fans that day.
This has the makings of a similar kind of night for us.
There was an article at the time that described DOL taking pictures with the Arsenal supporters after the game that day. He didn't last long afterwards. The FA Cup final under Sherwood also another very bad day. Last season at Villa Park was an appalling performance too, first time I was really worried about Gerrard's tactics.
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I've got a weird feeling we will win this one
I think your accounts been hacked Fred.
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Well, my mate has just agreed to give his son the middle names ‘Steven Gerrard’ if we win by three goals… ;D
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5-1
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Some of the snippets from Arsenal followers they expect changes in line up and expect to win.
"Tricky game but should be 5/5.(wins) I know their back 4 has been dodgy all season, Martinelli should murder Cash who has been run ragged this season"
"Villa are crap thier fans can't take Gerrard anymore. So we need to do our job.
We need to rotate before going to old Trafford. Remain to be seen if Arteta do rotate"
"They’ll dominate the midfield if we go with the same as yesterday. (Vs Fulham)
Kamara/McGinn/Ramsey is too physical for us"
"I actually do see how rotating could be a good idea, with the multitude of options and a seemingly "renewed" Utd on Sunday. It would keep the team fresh and I don't think there'd be such a falloff in quality to worry about"
"This should be any easy game by the looks of it, even without Zinchenko and Partey. I am watching the game against West Ham and Villa suck . Aston Villa have only beaten Everton at home so far, and they were lucky in that game too. Gerrard must be one of the favourites to get sacked this season because Villa look like a relegation candidate at the moment"
"Fully expect Ødegaard to take this game by the scruff of its neck"
"I expect us to win this, at least 2-0. I also expect us to be thinking of the weekend game at Manu and also using our superior squad to start with some fresh legs against a team which will have had a day less to recover. Start Nketiah for one and maybe ESR too
An early goal kills this and we can then play out a comfortable victory"
"Gerrard absolutely stinking out the place as manager. Terrible football, doesn’t know his strongest team and several failed signings"
"I thought this game was away- even more confident knowing it’s a home fixture. I’d bring ESR in for Saka- give him a little breather before Yanited. Id also give Jesus and hour max and change him for Nketiah"
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Ok im not noted for my optimism where the Villa are concerned but surely anything other than a heavy defeat would be an unexpected and welcome outcome.
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"Kamara/McGinn/Ramsey is too physical for us"
Ummmmmmmmm
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I'm not a huge fan of Cash but I'm not sure he has been "run ragged" this season. Zaha had our whole team in his pocket. Nothing of note in the other games.
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Can't see us winning this, but we can cause them major issues. A change of tactics needed. Will need to contain and do them on the break. Would play Bailey with Ings up front and try to cement the midfield. A big ask of course it is but the players have not overnight turned to turds.
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Please win Villa, I'd imagine it will be one of Ings or Watkins and Bailey up front.
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8-0.
I'm close to thinking that about the Citeh game. If we get tonked then hopefully no more than 2 or 3
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-------Martinez
Cash, Konsa, Mings, Digne
---Kamara, Nakamba
Luiz, Buendia, Ramsey
----------Watkins
I'd probably take McGinn out of the firing line for a bit but toss up between him and Ramsey. Pick a team that's mobile and can graft. Archer and Iroegbunam to be some of the first subs called in. Absolute no to Coutinho and Ings.
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We’ll be chasing shadows.
0-4.
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I'd go with RamboandBruno's line-up. We're due a bit of luck so think we'll get a point at least and silence the 'Emirates'.
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Martinez
Cash
Chambers
Mings
Dinge
Kamara
Luiz
McGinn
Buendia
Watkins
Bailey
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"Kamara/McGinn/Ramsey is too physical for us"
Ummmmmmmmm
I’ve just read that and had to snigger, they’d be more physicality in a fight between Screech and Gareth out of The Office.
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We're in for a rough couple of games. 0-3 with the worst yet to come.
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"Kamara/McGinn/Ramsey is too physical for us"
Ummmmmmmmm
I’ve just read that and had to snigger, they’d be more physicality in a fight between Screech and Gareth out of The Office.
I thought the “Cash has been run ragged all year..” bit was a pure ignorance. He’s literally everywhere up and down the flank for us and I don’t think he’s done poorly at all given how we’re sent out to play.
Tell me you don’t watch other clubs without telling me you don’t want other clubs. Couldn’t give a shite what Arsenal “supporters” think, he’s probably from a nice town in California and got his first shirt under the tree last year.
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I've got a weird feeling we will win this one
You are a complex one mate!
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I'm not a huge fan of Cash but I'm not sure he has been "run ragged" this season. Zaha had our whole team in his pocket. Nothing of note in the other games.
I think he has been generally shit.
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Ok, come on, who are the magnificent 7 who think we will win!!??
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Ok, come on, who are the magnificent 7 who think we will win!!??
Hateful Eight
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Whoever they are, they’ve obviously not been watching the same Villa as me so far this season. However, hope they are right.
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Put all your Arsenal fantasy football players into your line up. It's going to be a good night for them.
3-0 Arsenal. 1 tame shot on goal for us probably in the 85th minute. McGinn to still be on the pitch. No Buendia or Bailey until the end of the game having come on for Coutinho and Ings
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I've got a weird feeling we will win this one
You are a complex one mate!
Contrary is the word
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Martinez
Cash
Chambers
Mings
Dinge
Kamara
Luiz
Buendia
Ramsey
Bailey
Archer
Get some energy in the front line, three ball carriers to run at their back line, cut down on the full back overlaps. Archer as a surprise package. 2-1 Villa.
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Barring injuries to both Watkins and Ings the chances of Archer starting is nil.
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The symptom of a manager under pressure was a line up like last week's against Bolton. That should have had two or three squad players starting - enough to get past a 3rd division side. Even Dean picked a changed team against Chelsea last year and came close to winning.
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Tbf Gerard hitting keys at random on a typewriter for an infinite amount of time would not result in that line up.
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4.1
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Stop playing Watkins and Ings at the same time please.
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I for one don’t believe that Mings was injured. As we all know, things are not great with off the field matters and words were probably spoken and Mings was left out of the squad. I’m also one for giving Archer a starting place but, if not, at least give him half an hour. Being put on for 2 minutes is just going to drain him of any confidence. I know he won’t do it but I’d play Bailey as well as we really do lack pace in our team.
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I’d go:
Emi
Cash
Digne
Mings
Chambers
Titanic Deckchair
Titanic Deckchair
Titanic Deckchair
Titanic Deckchair
Titanic Deckchair
Titanic Deckchair
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I’d go:
Emi
Cash
Digne
Mings
Chambers
Titanic Deckchair
Titanic Deckchair
Titanic Deckchair
Titanic Deckchair
Titanic Deckchair
Titanic Deckchair
I'll take comfort in the fact then that Smith's not at the helm.
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tbf if the film is anything to go by, titanic deckchairs show a lot more movement than some of the current players.
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The symptom of a manager under pressure was a line up like last week's against Bolton. That should have had two or three squad players starting - enough to get past a 3rd division side. Even Dean picked a changed team against Chelsea last year and came close to winning.
And Dean fucked up by not taking the cup seriously
We had no one on the bench Ings Watkins weren’t even there we played well and should’ve won maybe we would have with better subs
Chelsea had Lukaku on the bench Who came on we had no one
I know we went out on penalties in the end but that’s what really pisses me off about managers they don’t take the cups seriously enough
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2-0 coast for them unfortunately. We have real problems.
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Only saw us at Arsenal once. O'Leary was our manager and we didn't like him much and he liked us about the same.
Expectations were low and swiftly realised as they battered us 5-0.
"You can have O'Leary back" was the chant that I'll not forget from the Villa fans that day.
This has the makings of a similar kind of night for us.
I saw us lose 5-0 at Highbury on about 1991. David Platt ended up in goal.
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I'll check the score at full time for confirmation of how bad it was.
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Sadly, while we have given them a decent game in recent years, I think we have reverted back to our Premier League modus operandi for now and we're not in their orbit any more. Oh for a decent management team.
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I've got a weird feeling we will win this one
And you say no to Monster? What are you saying yes to - absinthe?
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Is this on Amazon?
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Is this on Amazon?
BT4
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Any points out of Arsenal and Citeh will be an unexpected bonus. We’re not even close in being able to go toe to toe with them as we did in the narrow defeats last season. If we concede early in either game then they could both be very embarrassing scorelines.
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Only saw us at Arsenal once. O'Leary was our manager and we didn't like him much and he liked us about the same.
Expectations were low and swiftly realised as they battered us 5-0.
"You can have O'Leary back" was the chant that I'll not forget from the Villa fans that day.
This has the makings of a similar kind of night for us.
I saw us lose 5-0 at Highbury on about 1991. David Platt ended up in goal.
90/91 season under Venglos. Almost 12 months to the day after Chris Price's late winner there convinced me we were going to win the league and had me dancing round the clock end.
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Is this on Amazon?
BT4
The Horror Channel is more appropriate.
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Could be the night when Gerrard suddenly becomes the Villa manager that we all want
However it will probably be a 3-1 defeat
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Give Sanson a start
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4-0
We will get our pants pulled down.
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Lacklustre display from players who know writing is on the wall so an easy 5-0 win for Arsenal who will show no mercy. SG sacked on Thursday, Gary Mc in charge for Sat where we put up a bit of a fight but lose by two. The new manager sitting in stands by time of Leicester game. Either Poch or Potter.
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Didn't Potter turn down Spurs last season? I don't think he'd come to us even if Gerrard is sacked.
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Give Sanson a start
He's been ghosted by Gerrard and according to Percy, none of the players understand it.
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Didn't Potter turn down Spurs last season? I don't think he'd come to us even if Gerrard is sacked.
I don't think he'd leave at this point, he's secure and I don't think he's the type to drop them in the shit like that. Any chance of getting him would have to be in the close season.
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Where do you even start? Well I guess who are the crazy 10 that think we will actually win this!
We Live in hope that Gerrard will change the formation to make us more solid in Midfield, but hes had ample opportunities to do this and plays the same formation.
The best i can dream for is that Arsenal Hit the bar and post numerous times and we get a draw.
The reality is...Get Martinelli in your Fantasy Football team and Captain Jesus.
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Martinez
Cash Chambers Mings Digne
Kamara
Luiz. McGinn
Buendia. Watkins. Ramsey
That's my guess. Archer will come on in the 80th minute. Bailey on 65. Konsa on 20 when Mings is sick.
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Martinez
Cash Chambers Mings Digne
Kamara
Luiz. McGinn
Buendia. Watkins. Ramsey
That's my guess. Archer will come on in the 80th minute. Bailey on 65. Konsa on 20 when Mings is sick.
Hopefully Mings will have looked him in the eye to confirm this won’t happen
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Arsenal 2/5 Draw 7/2 Villa 13/2
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Didn't Potter turn down Spurs last season? I don't think he'd come to us even if Gerrard is sacked.
You never know, being a Villa fan and all...or is that bollox?
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Didn't Potter turn down Spurs last season? I don't think he'd come to us even if Gerrard is sacked.
You never know, being a Villa fan and all...or is that bollox?
No he's Villa but not in a total Dean Smith or die hard way.
He said in an interview before a Villa match a few seasons ago
"I was one of the strange ones in that I wasn’t so passionate about supporting a team.
The first team I started to get interested in was the Aston Villa team that won the European Cup.
This is how times have changed.
The European Cup winners brought the cup to my dad’s working men’s club.
There’s a photo at home of my brother in the European Cup.
I think it was Ken McNaught and Peter Withe who came to the Shirley British Legion.
I don’t think you’d get that today, would you?
So I was interested in Aston Villa then – Gary Shaw, Tony Morley.
Then, as I got older, I started to play for Birmingham City.
I started to play for their centre of excellence and I ended up having an affinity for them.
Most supporters will tell you, ‘Hold on, you can’t be Aston Villa AND Birmingham! You have got to be one or the other!’. But I think I pretty much was.
Most of my friends are Villa fans so they aren’t my friends this weekend. They are begging me for tickets"
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"Kamara/McGinn/Ramsey is too physical for us"
Ummmmmmmmm
They're cutting their cocaine with something strange in the wine bars of North London.
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Sort of glad that I won't be able to watch this one due to being at a recording of Radio 4's "Mark Steel's In Town" in Newport.
It could be bad....and Saturday will probably be worse
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Arsenal look very good, but in my view their approach to playing out from the back is vulnerable. With a high intensity press I think they could be brittle. Clearly our lethargic and listless approach is the exact opposite of that, so no chance for us. But we live in hope.
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A point would be a great result with how things have been going.
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Sort of glad that I won't be able to watch this one due to being at a recording of Radio 4's "Mark Steel's In Town" in Newport.
It could be bad....and Saturday will probably be worse
Mark Steel is great, that looks about a million times more appealing than watching us.
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So does the wall I will be painting.
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Sort of glad that I won't be able to watch this one due to being at a recording of Radio 4's "Mark Steel's In Town" in Newport.
It could be bad....and Saturday will probably be worse
Mark Steel is great, that looks about a million times more appealing than watching us.
A bit of patience and it'll be Steven Gerrard's In Town. Ipswich Town.
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Sort of glad that I won't be able to watch this one due to being at a recording of Radio 4's "Mark Steel's In Town" in Newport.
It could be bad....and Saturday will probably be worse
Mark Steel is great, that looks about a million times more appealing than watching us.
I met him at a wedding the other week. He's cool, as is his other half, the resplendent Shappi Khorsandi.
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Sort of glad that I won't be able to watch this one due to being at a recording of Radio 4's "Mark Steel's In Town" in Newport.
It could be bad....and Saturday will probably be worse
Mark Steel is great, that looks about a million times more appealing than watching us.
I met him at a wedding the other week. He's cool, as is his other half, the resplendent Shappi Khorsandi.
I didn't know they were a couple!
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4-0
We will get our pants pulled down.
I'm not planning on wearing any just so as to avoid this result.
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Sort of glad that I won't be able to watch this one due to being at a recording of Radio 4's "Mark Steel's In Town" in Newport.
It could be bad....and Saturday will probably be worse
Mark Steel is great, that looks about a million times more appealing than watching us.
I met him at a wedding the other week. He's cool, as is his other half, the resplendent Shappi Khorsandi.
I didn't realise they were couple, but I've got a bit of a thing for her too. I saw him years ago doing a warm up gig for his tour, it lasted about three hours and was great the whole way through. It was more like going for a few pints with a funny mate, he properly engaged the whole crowd.
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The team selection will be fascinating. He must know that he needs to pull something out the bag. Who will he look in the eye and hand the shirt to?
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Sort of glad that I won't be able to watch this one due to being at a recording of Radio 4's "Mark Steel's In Town" in Newport.
It could be bad....and Saturday will probably be worse
Mark Steel is great, that looks about a million times more appealing than watching us.
I met him at a wedding the other week. He's cool, as is his other half, the resplendent Shappi Khorsandi.
I didn't realise they were couple, but I've got a bit of a thing for her too. I saw him years ago doing a warm up gig for his tour, it lasted about three hours and was great the whole way through. It was more like going for a few pints with a funny mate, he properly engaged the whole crowd.
I only found out about Mark and Shaparak when I spoke to them outside the Hammersmith Apollo before the Jeremy Hardy tribute night back in January.
Took me a few seconds to realise that it was Shappi who Mark had his arm draped around.
This week will be the eighth time I've seen him live.
How about if, instead of a likely depressing match thread for the Arsenal game, we have a match thread for Mark's gig ?
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Sort of glad that I won't be able to watch this one due to being at a recording of Radio 4's "Mark Steel's In Town" in Newport.
It could be bad....and Saturday will probably be worse
Mark Steel is great, that looks about a million times more appealing than watching us.
I met him at a wedding the other week. He's cool, as is his other half, the resplendent Shappi Khorsandi.
I didn't realise they were couple, but I've got a bit of a thing for her too. I saw him years ago doing a warm up gig for his tour, it lasted about three hours and was great the whole way through. It was more like going for a few pints with a funny mate, he properly engaged the whole crowd.
I only found out about Mark and Shaparak when I spoke to them outside the Hammersmith Apollo before the Jeremy Hardy tribute night back in January.
Took me a few seconds to realise that it was Shappi who Mark had his arm draped around.
This week will be the eighth time I've seen him live.
How about if, instead of a likely depressing match thread for the Arsenal game, we have a match thread for Mark's gig ?
Set it up mate, I'll be up for it.
"I can't believe he's gone with that joke again"
"The set up was all wrong"
etc.
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I'd like to see this.
Martinez
Cash Chambers Mings Digne
Kamara Iroegbunam
Luiz/Ramsey
Buendia Watkins Coutinho/Bailey
But it won't happen
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I'd like to see this.
Martinez
Cash Chambers Mings Digne
Kamara Iroegbunam
Luiz/Ramsey
Buendia Watkins Coutinho/Bailey
But it won't happen
yep , desperately need some more physicality in the midfield , i would give Tim
a run
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Gregg Evans just tweeted:
Steven Gerrard not focusing on the outside noise for now. Knows that pressure is building. Understands the fans' frustrations. Believes in his players. Is preparing for a different approach against #AFC
Ill believe it when I see it.
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The way things have gone the last couple of weeks, this could well be an absolute hiding. I'm hoping for a reaction, but realistically, the best we can hope for is Martinez being MoM and somehow scraping a draw.
But who knows, it's football after all. It could also be a big result for us and a turning point in a our season.
(no, I haven't been drinking).
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Injury update from Pravda is that Coutinho is available for selection, Mings should be as well, though after his injury-time appearance, Cameron Archer is injured. >:(
A more interesting team selection than normal. Will Gerrard be pragmatic/sensible and drop Coutinho whilst putting Mings back in alongside Chambers or will he be stubborn and stick with what we saw on Sunday?
If he picks the same XI, unless there is a shock result, he has to be near the exit.
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Go for the draw, or at least not to get thumped. Maybe even nick it with a counter attack.
Martinez
Cash Chambers Mings Digne
Luiz Kamara
Bailey Buendia Ramsey
Watkins
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They're hopeful Mings will be back but Archer is doubtful. Not that he would have brought him on before 88 minutes, anyway.
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Gregg Evans just tweeted:
Steven Gerrard not focusing on the outside noise for now. Knows that pressure is building. Understands the fans' frustrations. Believes in his players. Is preparing for a different approach against #AFC
Ill believe it when I see it.
He's got to scrap the bombing-forward wing backs.. we will get carved apart on the counters because our "wide" options (aside from Bailey) further up the pitch are naturally central players.
If he can manage to make a game out of this one I will be surprised. I'm expecting a thumping.
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I hope we do have a different approach, it’s not been working for ages. We also need to witness some desire and athleticism when we haven’t got the ball and when do have the ball we need to be far more positive with it. Testing their goalkeeper would help.
Before the weekend I really thought we’d turn it around and we was going to beat West Ham comfortably so I’m not expecting us to do so away to an in-form Arsenal side.
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Villa law has been in full effect for most of this season. The West Ham game was prime example. A side struggling comes to villa park. A tight game. A game if anything, we're dominating in the first half, relatively comfortable without making any chances. So of course we're nailed on to concede in the second half and have absolutely no kind of answer to pull it back around. Villa law.
However, based on Arsenal law, they couldn't possibly win 5 in a row in the league could they? At some stage it comes unstuck just to ensure the doubters have some ammunition and the optimist gooner fans can drop the crazy idea they might win the league.
Aston Villa law also dictates that occasionally when we're in a dreadful run or we're a side that looks devoid of any organisation or gameplan, that we'll pull off a shock result to give us hope that we're on a turnaround (and we'll quickly revert back to shit).
So here we go:
Arsenal law x Villa Law = Arsenal 1 - Aston Villa 2. Followed by Aston Villa 0 - Man City 5.
I spent hours on a blackboard working out this equation. Get down the bookies now.
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2-1 Whittingham and Townsend
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Before the weekend I really thought we’d turn it around and we was going to beat West Ham comfortably so I’m not expecting us to do so away to an in-form Arsenal side.
It wasn't just you, Ian. Some handsome idiot on the pre-match thread predicted a 4-1 win.
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I'd like to see this.
Martinez
Cash Chambers Mings Digne
Kamara Iroegbunam
Luiz/Ramsey
Buendia Watkins Coutinho/Bailey
But it won't happen
I like it - shame we can't play with 12 players though
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The side we put out against West Ham was far too slow. I'd be dropping Ings, McGinn and Phil. Bring in Emi, Ramsey and Bailey. Let Bailey provide a bit of width.
Honestly I'd also drop Digne and if he's fit, bring in that Augustinsson fella. He's less attack-minded. Cash bombs forward and I don't think we can get away with doing that both flanks. One FB has to hold back a bit more. Additionally, Digne has honestly been a downgrade on Targett. He looks dead on 70 minutes most games, he's suspect defensively. He is better at the other end, but I don't think Targett was nearly as bad as some made out. You got a 7 out of him most games, even once Gerrard came in. I don't think it's a surprise that Gerrard's results have gone downhill in the Digne era either. Mings appeared to have a bit more trust in Targett beside him in truth too and Ty needs all the help he can get.
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2-1 Whittingham and Townsend
Daylight robbery in fairness. Wright should have had a harmful.
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My brother offered me his ticket earlier. A few weeks ago I'd have jumped at it, I've not been to the new ground, but my answer was a solid no.
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2-1 Whittingham and Townsend
I got thumped whilst waiting for my Arsenal mate near the north bank after that one. A real smash and grab.
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5-1
We're in for a rough couple of games. 0-3 with the worst yet to come.
What's the etiquette in predicting away games, does the Villa score come first or second?
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Second.
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2-1 Whittingham and Townsend
I got thumped whilst waiting for my Arsenal mate near the north bank after that one. A real smash and grab.
Was in my brothers Metro just past the Josiah Mason bust on the Chester Rd when that winner went in, can remember banging the roof clear as day.
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So Algy is very positive then!!
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Shock away win 1 0
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Shock away win 1 0
Grrrrrr, away win is 0-1 surely.
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0-1 to us is probably the most unlikely result as we don’t do clean sheets unfortunately
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0-1 to us is probably the most unlikely result as we don’t do clean sheets unfortunately
In that case, what about 0-2 to us? Twice as unlikely 😉
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They're hopeful Mings will be back but Archer is doubtful. Not that he would have brought him on before 88 minutes, anyway.
Lack of regular game time so he has tweaked his hip. Being assessed later today. Fingers crossed.
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The only positive from this game and the next one is that we aren't expected to win so therefore we have nothing to lose by going out there and actually putting on a performance that puts some pride back into the team.
It won't happen but we can always dream, 3 - 0 to the Arse!
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Quite happy that Partey isn't playing for several reasons. Put a marker on Odegaard and I think we can get something
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If i tune in an hour before and see McGinns name on the starting sheet..........i will turn the fucking TV off and get my Gerrard voodoo doll out
He simply cannot watch each week that level of ineptness and not do something about it
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Can't see past a comfortable win for Arsenal where they never really have to get out of second gear.
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Can't see past a comfortable win for Arsenal where they never really have to get out of second gear.
Like the good old days
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Before the weekend I really thought we’d turn it around and we was going to beat West Ham comfortably so I’m not expecting us to do so away to an in-form Arsenal side.
It wasn't just you, Ian. Some handsome idiot on the pre-match thread predicted a 4-1 win.
I had Ollie to score a brace and a 3-0 win.
For years I’ve always been an eternal optimist but it feels all so downbeat during our games which fuel all the negative comments floating around social media.
He’s really made a massive mess with the captaincy and with the Mings situation and probably lost a lot of goodwill with a lot of the fans with how that was handled. He has with me. I don’t think he realised how popular Mings is. He’s is not perfect and we know he makes the odd mistake but he’s been such a big part and inspirational player for Villa both on and off the pitch. Something just feels very off at the moment.
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How many points have we taken off the ‘big 6’ since the current manager joined?
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How many points have we taken off the ‘big 6’ since the current manager joined?
The big zero?
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How many points have we taken off the ‘big 6’ since the current manager joined?
The big zero?
But we drew with Man Uni.....Oh yeah, sorry.
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I must be a special kind of stupid
When the fixture list first came out I looked at this game and because of our previous four games and my optimistic nature I thought we would be troubling the top four spots going into it, Maybe even if we got off to a good start 4 out of 4 wins
Ha ha, now I’d just be happy to avoid a total apocalypse night
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The Arsepocolypse. Who will be the Four Arsemen of The Arsepocolypse?
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A few weeks ago I just thought all we needed was a solid pre-season with some good natured bonding and a tactical plan drilled from July and we’d be top half challenging anyone we played.
How it fell away all so quickly. The word deflated needs to be changed in the Oxford Dictionary to ‘a supporter of a football team’.
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The Arsepocolypse. Who will be the Four Arsemen of The Arsepocolypse?
They do have a lot of arse-ociations, don't they?
ARSEne Wenger, Andriy ARSE-shavin, Cesc FabregARSE, Mikel ARSEteta, Philipe SenderARSE, Marc OvermARSE.
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When I was a kid the first Villa shirt I owned was when we were sponsored by AST Computers. I put that together with Arsenal-Arsene and just assumed that every club had some sort of association like that.
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The Arsepocolypse. Who will be the Four Arsemen of The Arsepocolypse?
They do have a lot of arse-ociations, don't they?
ARSEne Wenger, Andriy ARSE-shavin, Cesc FabregARSE, Mikel ARSEteta, Philipe SenderARSE, Marc OvermARSE.
Nigel Winterbuns
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The Arsepocolypse. Who will be the Four Arsemen of The Arsepocolypse?
They do have a lot of arse-ociations, don't they?
ARSEne Wenger, Andriy ARSE-shavin, Cesc FabregARSE, Mikel ARSEteta, Philipe SenderARSE, Marc OvermARSE.
Arse-ley Cole, Cliff Barse-tin, Charlie Nichol-arse, David Roc-arse-tle, Nicol-arse Anelka, David O'Leary.
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When I was a kid the first Villa shirt I owned was when we were sponsored by AST Computers. I put that together with Arsenal-Arsene and just assumed that every club had some sort of association like that.
Me too, and it was reinforced by Newcastle Brown Ale sponsoring Newcastle.
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The Arsepocolypse. Who will be the Four Arsemen of The Arsepocolypse?
They do have a lot of arse-ociations, don't they?
ARSEne Wenger, Andriy ARSE-shavin, Cesc FabregARSE, Mikel ARSEteta, Philipe SenderARSE, Marc OvermARSE.
Nigel Winterbuns
Other pun-ers need not apply. This wins.
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The Arsepocolypse. Who will be the Four Arsemen of The Arsepocolypse?
They do have a lot of arse-ociations, don't they?
ARSEne Wenger, Andriy ARSE-shavin, Cesc FabregARSE, Mikel ARSEteta, Philipe SenderARSE, Marc OvermARSE.
Arse-ley Cole, Cliff Barse-tin, Charlie Nichol-arse, David Roc-arse-tle, Nicol-arse Anelka, David O'Leary.
;D
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The Arsepocolypse. Who will be the Four Arsemen of The Arsepocolypse?
They do have a lot of arse-ociations, don't they?
ARSEne Wenger, Andriy ARSE-shavin, Cesc FabregARSE, Mikel ARSEteta, Philipe SenderARSE, Marc OvermARSE.
Arse-ley Cole, Cliff Barse-tin, Charlie Nichol-arse, David Roc-arse-tle, Nicol-arse Anelka, David O'Leary.
That's a crack squad right there.
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When I was a kid the first Villa shirt I owned was when we were sponsored by AST Computers. I put that together with Arsenal-Arsene and just assumed that every club had some sort of association like that.
Me too, and it was reinforced by Newcastle Brown Ale sponsoring Newcastle.
Shit you're right! It truly was a golden age.
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The Arsepocolypse. Who will be the Four Arsemen of The Arsepocolypse?
They do have a lot of arse-ociations, don't they?
ARSEne Wenger, Andriy ARSE-shavin, Cesc FabregARSE, Mikel ARSEteta, Philipe SenderARSE, Marc OvermARSE.
Arse-ley Cole, Cliff Barse-tin, Charlie Nichol-arse, David Roc-arse-tle, Nicol-arse Anelka, David O'Leary.
That's a crack squad right there.
Don't forget Kolorectal Toure.
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When I was a kid the first Villa shirt I owned was when we were sponsored by AST Computers. I put that together with Arsenal-Arsene and just assumed that every club had some sort of association like that.
Me too, and it was reinforced by Newcastle Brown Ale sponsoring Newcastle.
And Triton sponsoring Small Heath
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When I was a kid the first Villa shirt I owned was when we were sponsored by AST Computers. I put that together with Arsenal-Arsene and just assumed that every club had some sort of association like that.
Me too, and it was reinforced by Newcastle Brown Ale sponsoring Newcastle.
Shit you're right! It truly was a golden age.
Norwich had Norwich & Peterborough Building Society, West Brom had West Bromwich Building Society. There must be more.
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I don't suppose Cambridge under John Beck were sponsored by the Duxford RAF base?
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I don't suppose Cambridge under John Beck were sponsored by the Duxford RAF base?
Nah, think it was Gonville and Caius brand port hampers. (Apologies if you're a Keys man, Monty.)
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Actually I went to Edinburgh and Oxford. So Keys can, absolutely, go f**k themselves.
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John de Wolf at the Wolves in the mid 90s. Mancini at ManCity. And the current Hartlepool manager is a perfect match for them
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Actually I went to Edinburgh and Oxford. So Keys can, absolutely, go f**k themselves.
Oh dear, quite the faux pas, apologies! Dunno why I thought you were a Cantab.
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Actually I went to Edinburgh and Oxford. So Keys can, absolutely, go f**k themselves.
Oh dear, quite the faux pas, apologies! Dunno why I thought you were a Cantab.
It's my dear old hometown. So I'm town not gown, and Cambo not Cantab.
In fact speaking of the 90s, I was a mascot for the Us one night when they got present with the prize for the country's best football ground chip butties. Can confirm, top butties.
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The Arsepocolypse. Who will be the Four Arsemen of The Arsepocolypse?
They do have a lot of arse-ociations, don't they?
ARSEne Wenger, Andriy ARSE-shavin, Cesc FabregARSE, Mikel ARSEteta, Philipe SenderARSE, Marc OvermARSE.
David O'Leary.
;D
That’s fabularse.
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Actually I went to Edinburgh and Oxford. So Keys can, absolutely, go f**k themselves.
Oh dear, quite the faux pas, apologies! Dunno why I thought you were a Cantab.
It's my dear old hometown. So I'm town not gown, and Cambo not Cantab.
Ahhh. How could you bring yourself to move, leaving behind the bright lights of the Baron of Beef & Cindi's?!
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Ah, lads, this is a derailed thread. Love the Baron of Beef, football pub of choice (wouldn't catch me in The Avery for all the cocaine in...well, The Avery).
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Ah, lads, this is a derailed thread. Love the Baron of Beef, football pub of choice (wouldn't catch me in The Avery for all the cocaine in...well, The Avery).
Same. I watched the 2010 League Cup final in there. Wound up drunkenly singing HEITS with a couple of other Villa fans as the plastics all left at full time.
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No Archer then.
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Fun fact:
Only Chelsea and Manchester City have won more Premier League away fixtures at the Emirates than Villa.
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Wasn't Wolfgang Wolf the manager of Wolfsburg? Rejected Wolves' advances apparently as he thought they were a bad cover version.
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Things I don't want to see; Villa passing the ball from deep in the Arsenal half back to our centre halves or Martinez, 4 or 5 Villa players penned in within the ball within 1 or 2 metres of the sideline, the entire team being kippered by a simple 1-2, Arsenal players running at the defence and Villa players backing off, crosses into the Arsenal box with only one Villa player in the vicinity of 4 Arsenal defenders and still being outnumbered when the ball pings out of the box.
Y' know. The basics.
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No Archer then.
In the squad for the game.
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Wasn't Wolfgang Wolf the manager of Wolfsburg? Rejected Wolves' advances apparently as he thought they were a bad cover version.
That's the winner, surely.
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The side we put out against West Ham was far too slow. I'd be dropping Ings, McGinn and Phil. Bring in Emi, Ramsey and Bailey. Let Bailey provide a bit of width.
Honestly I'd also drop Digne and if he's fit, bring in that Augustinsson fella. He's less attack-minded. Cash bombs forward and I don't think we can get away with doing that both flanks. One FB has to hold back a bit more. Additionally, Digne has honestly been a downgrade on Targett. He looks dead on 70 minutes most games, he's suspect defensively. He is better at the other end, but I don't think Targett was nearly as bad as some made out. You got a 7 out of him most games, even once Gerrard came in. I don't think it's a surprise that Gerrard's results have gone downhill in the Digne era either. Mings appeared to have a bit more trust in Targett beside him in truth too and Ty needs all the help he can get.
Agreed. I was a fan of Digne when he was at Everton: with us, he's been a big disappointment.
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2-1 Whittingham and Townsend
I got thumped whilst waiting for my Arsenal mate near the north bank after that one. A real smash and grab.
I was in the North Bank as there were renovations being done at the Clock End. Was pretty fiesty at the end, especially as there were quite a few Villa in the North Bank end.
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https://youtu.be/h5-1lwOerIE
Highlights if anyone wants to watch again.
Shit, I was 11 and remember listening to that on the radio as I played with the embers of the previous night's mini bonfire in the back garden.
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I dread tonight's game - my redeeming thoughts is all the gooners I know don't think they'll win 5 on the trot. My wife arranged a meal out with friends a couple of weeks ago for tonight - I said fine without checking. I'm ever so pleased now that I won't be watching, which is a bizarre thing to be thinking!!!
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When I was a kid the first Villa shirt I owned was when we were sponsored by AST Computers. I put that together with Arsenal-Arsene and just assumed that every club had some sort of association like that.
I started work about that time and a chap there used to refer to Leeds utd as them ******. So yes there was a clear association.
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Quite happy that Partey isn't playing for several reasons. Put a marker on Odegaard and I think we can get something
Yes, probably a red card
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We will score first and be winning at half time - but will lose 2-1
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I'm going with my Gooner mate tonight so in with the Tarquins. I think it might turn out to be a long night.
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Half 7 tonight, nearly got caught out with that thinking it was 8pm.
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Got to get up at 2.30 am for this one.
Not sure about that yet.
Just hoping that we can give them a game and put in a decent performance and a narrow defeat as a minimum, like Fulham in their last game.
Might get up for the second half thinking on it.
UTV
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I know it is incredibly unlikely but....a clean sheet please Villa
UTV
The Doc
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We will score first and be winning at half time - but will lose 2-1
My thoughts too,,,grab a goal, concede 1 two minutes later, then concede another in the second half.
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Quite happy that Partey isn't playing for several reasons. Put a marker on Odegaard and I think we can get something
Yes, probably a red card
Strange you say that but I was sat staring into space this morning and found myself thinking, I reckon Kamara will get sent off tonight.
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Annual reminder that Tarquin is the name of history's most famous rapist.
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Out of order
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Out of order
The rape of Lucretia and tipping point for the downfall of the Roman Kings and the subsequent establishment of the Res Publica.
All likely myth, although rape features quite heavily in Roman foundation history/myths.
Tarquin Superbus is however the origin of the Arsenal fans sobriquet rather than his likely fictional son, the rapist Monty refers too.
Fuck yes, pre-Republican Roman history, in the match thread and not even that wildly off topic.
3-1 Villa.
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4-0 them
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3 nill to villa
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Reckon I’ll be back in the pub in Finsbury Park well before the final whistle.
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Fulham gave these plenty of it last weekend. Yes, Fulham. If we have anything about us we should be doing the same. Match them up 4231. Nakamba in next to Kamara. I assume Luiz might be left out if there is any truth in these Athletico bids. Maybe give McGinn another go further up the pitch and he can help Watkins out with pressing from the front.
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I'm looking forward to this as much as any game we played under Remi Garde or Eric Black.
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Our centre backs will play tippy-tappy with Martinez in and around the 6-yard box, try and hoof it, scuff it and we'll concede.
Unless Gerrard has a Damascene conversion, Jesus will show us the error of our ways.
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Bailey is one of the first players I would start, the one player we have with speed, ability to beat a man and score, but sadly think he will probably once again start on the bench, wouldn't be surprised, if he went 5 at the back tonight.
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1-1
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I'm going to this I just hope we put on a good performance the players really need to step up tonight.
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John, whatever you’re on, I want some and willing to pay a substantial amount
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Out of order
The rape of Lucretia and tipping point for the downfall of the Roman Kings and the subsequent establishment of the Res Publica.
All likely myth, although rape features quite heavily in Roman foundation history/myths.
Tarquin Superbus is however the origin of the Arsenal fans sobriquet rather than his likely fictional son, the rapist Monty refers too.
Fuck yes, pre-Republican Roman history, in the match thread and not even that wildly off topic.
3-1 Villa.
Always struck me as quite weird that the Romans seemed to take some pride at being founded on fratricide by a bunch of criminal rapists. (Talking about the Sabines here rather than Lucretia).
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Out of order
The rape of Lucretia and tipping point for the downfall of the Roman Kings and the subsequent establishment of the Res Publica.
All likely myth, although rape features quite heavily in Roman foundation history/myths.
Tarquin Superbus is however the origin of the Arsenal fans sobriquet rather than his likely fictional son, the rapist Monty refers too.
Fuck yes, pre-Republican Roman history, in the match thread and not even that wildly off topic.
3-1 Villa.
Always struck me as quite weird that the Romans seemed to take some pride at being founded on fratricide by a bunch of criminal rapists. (Talking about the Sabines here rather than Lucretia).
Rape wasn't the crime - violation of Roman aristocratic honour (and, for want of a better word, property) was. In that context, the Sabine incident is like, hell yeah, we absolutely battered those pathetic Sabines and stole their honour. Not a lovely bunch, really, Romans.
Anyway, that's sorrrt of veering too far off topic, so let's just go back to hoping that we ourselves have any honour left after tonight. I have my doubts.
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I was going to say, the Romans were bellends. Successful mind, but ultimately bellends. They may have left nice roads but the bequeathed feudalism, the horrible bastards.
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More interesting than the thought of this evening's massacre.
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I was going to say, the Romans were bellends. Successful mind, but ultimately bellends. They may have left nice roads but the bequeathed feudalism, the horrible bastards.
It's complicated, and it changed over time for sure, but certainly the pre-imperial period of Rome's founding and expansion is all about a ferocious belief in might making right, and by fuck they were going to have all of both. I mean, the Carthage thing...it absolutely makes you shudder.
Why does everything I want to say about the Romans also fit perfectly with the pre-match thread?
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They basically got everyone else to do everything, war, food etc. whilst sitting on their fat arses or fucking their sisters. It's amazing they got away with it as long as they did.
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I was going to say, the Romans were bellends. Successful mind, but ultimately bellends. They may have left nice roads but the bequeathed feudalism, the horrible bastards.
It's complicated, and it changed over time for sure, but certainly the pre-imperial period of Rome's founding and expansion is all about a ferocious belief in might making right, and by fuck they were going to have all of both. I mean, the Carthage thing...it absolutely makes you shudder.
Why does everything I want to say about the Romans also fit perfectly with the pre-match thread?
Six mistakes mankind keeps making century after century ft. John McGinn; leaky defences; upfront profligacy; an inability to link the midfield to attack; poor substitutions; rigid tactics; the silence of Ashburton Grove.
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They basically got everyone else to do everything, war, food etc. whilst sitting on their fat arses or fucking their sisters. It's amazing they got away with it as long as they did.
Harsh on Arsenal fans.
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They basically got everyone else to do everything, war, food etc. whilst sitting on their fat arses or fucking their sisters. It's amazing they got away with it as long as they did.
The 'next prime minister' thread is that way <<<<
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They basically got everyone else to do everything, war, food etc. whilst sitting on their fat arses or fucking their sisters. It's amazing they got away with it as long as they did.
The 'next prime minister' thread is that way <<<<
Ad infinitum
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I bet even back then there was a chariot team, once the finest in the Empire and the envy of all others, that was constantly tripping themselves up, spunking aureus up the wall and still using square wheels when everyone else was using round ones.
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Arsenal are the sort of team we may do better against. Hopefully we find a way to win, we have to pick up points sooner or later surely.
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They basically got everyone else to do everything, war, food etc. whilst sitting on their fat arses or fucking their sisters. It's amazing they got away with it as long as they did.
Harsh on Arsenal fans.
Is it though? Is it really?
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Journey started. Can't see anything but an Arsenal win. Maybe Gerrard will show what a master tactician he is tonight
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you look at ben white and think he doesn't look like a physical centre half maybe Watkins can rough him up and cause them a few problems. Arsenal are traditionally soft lads in midfield but with Party and Xaka they seem to have some presence these days. If we can stay in the game as long as possible without them scoring and get physical with them we could get something I don't think we have a bad record here. We are going to have to be very ugly tonight. That's if the players are still playing for Gerrard. If they're not its going to be a massacre.
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Surely he cannot pick McGinn again tonight...captain (joke appointment or not) on nothing but form he has to be left out
For the love of McGrath make it so
Martinez
Cash
Chambers
Mings
Digne
Luiz (or Nakamba if Luiz is actually off)
Kamara
Bailey
Bendiua
Ramsay
Watkins
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Fully expecting Saka to win a penalty tonight. He could give Joe Grealish and Patrick Bamford diving lessons.
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Surely he cannot pick McGinn again tonight...captain (joke appointment or not) on nothing but form he has to be left out
For the love of McGrath make it so
Martinez
Cash
Chambers
Mings
Digne
Luiz (or Nakamba if Luiz is actually off)
Kamara
Bailey
Bendiua
Ramsay
Watkins
That would be my team too. 4231. Watkins or Ings, not both. Buendia or Coutinho, not both. Need Bailey for his pace on the break. Chambers over Konsa. Play Kamara & Luiz at the base of the midfield and give Ramsey half a chance of getting forward.
And please, for the love of god, no central midfielders as auxiliary fullbacks.
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Surely he cannot pick McGinn again tonight...captain (joke appointment or not) on nothing but form he has to be left out
For the love of McGrath make it so
Martinez
Cash
Chambers
Mings
Digne
Luiz (or Nakamba if Luiz is actually off)
Kamara
Bailey
Bendiua
Ramsay
Watkins
It is the hill he will die on. Of course McGinn will be in the side. HIS CAPTAIN
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Damage limitation for me tonight. A means to an end.
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we are going to lose. The team for the most part and the system will be the same. We will have 30% possession. The players will be the ones at fault.
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Surely he cannot pick McGinn again tonight...captain (joke appointment or not) on nothing but form he has to be left out
For the love of McGrath make it so
Martinez
Cash
Chambers
Mings
Digne
Luiz (or Nakamba if Luiz is actually off)
Kamara
Bailey
Buendia
Ramsay
Watkins
McGinn is useful to run around and kick a few Arsenal players, at least for 60 minutes. Not sure Luiz has the same impact. Marvelous could certainly do the job. Ideal replacement would be our French friend, very tidy with the ball which will help.
Ramsey is so off the pace right now yet SG has insisted on playing him in the hope he regains his form.
Bailey I understand starting him but he needs to put a shift in both attacking and defending.
Watkins will run around a lot. More than that I guess it depends on the service and even then generally needs a handful of chances to put one away.
I don't think Mings will start. A few days back, SG will have him on the bench, back for Man City. Expect Konsa to start.
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Are we having a minute silence for Diana?
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Wearing a black kit seems apt.
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Are we having a minute silence for Diana?
The Princess deserves 2!
Wonderful lady.
And also with Willian a Villa man and that he's the president of the FA could be something
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I thought Chambers had a decent game against West Ham. If Mings is fit I’d be tempted to put him alongside Kamara In a 4-2-3-1. Can’t see it but you never know.
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That’s Chambers and not Mings alongside Kamara before anyone replies.
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Are we having a minute silence for Diana?
It's The Emirates. There'll be about 90.
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Are we having a minute silence for Diana?
It's The Emirates. There'll be about 90.
8)
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Doomed. We are doomed.
Maybe this will be StevieGs Graham Taylor v Derby moment where he is forced into a tactical switch which sticks. (OK pretty obvious pun).
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Are we having a minute silence for Diana?
The Princess deserves 2!
Wonderful lady.
Is she your Chelsea (& Kensington) contact?
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Are we having a minute silence for Diana?
The Princess deserves 2!
Wonderful lady.
Is she your Chelsea (& Kensington) contact?
I love the idea of Diana contacting Footy from beyond the grave telling him we're after Chelsea players. It's possible I suppose
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I'm going with my Gooner mate tonight so in with the Tarquins. I think it might turn out to be a long night.
I’m in with them too. A friend on holiday gave me his season ticket.
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Bailey and Bendy start., as does Mings.
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Captain Marvel safe as houses as usual...
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Anyone seen Sanson?
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Benches his mate golden bollocks and finally picks Emi for a game when we'll get about 20% of possession, fucking prick. Can't even be arsed watching this horror show tonight.
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We are set up for the counter with that team. Front 3 is mobile with a bit of pace so I’ve no issues with that. Chambers unlucky not to keep his place.
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Captain Marvel safe as houses as usual...
I don't know whether it is being stubborn or just plain stupidity that he keeps picking McGinn.