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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Toronto Villa on February 26, 2022, 05:21:25 PM
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The stats don’t tell the full story. We don’t hold the ball well at all. Almost 80% possession for them at times, and for long stretches. Ref fucking ruined the game with a series of stupid and needless yellows. But we did enough to win with two lovely goals; the second very much against the run of play. SJM MOM as he was everywhere in a defensive capacity. Douglas Luiz needs a very long stint on the bench. And well done young Tim Iroegbunam for making his debut.
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That'll do.
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A solid display. We look far better with Konsa in the team.
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Only one shot on target for them though, as in the first game we were far more dangerous and took our chances. Fuck 'em!
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3 points. Thank fuck for that!
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Never in doubt. I knew Stevie had picked the right team today :-[
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Good away win. How was Coutinho?
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Sloppy play at times, but a win is a win. Hopefully, this pushes us on into a little bit of form.
Doug needs hooking for Sanson next week, and Watkins/Ings were lacklustre for 90% of the match. Goal saved Ollie, and hopefully he can kick on from that.
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Better but not great. I feel more optimistic that we are a work in progress rather than falling apart now though.
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That'll do. Not great, and the result papers over a few cracks (eg Ings and Luiz are utterly terrible) but a welcome win anyway.
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*ps. My MOTM - Matty Cash.
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Many lorries are now making their way to the midlands laden with humble pie. Mainly for people of this parish. The meltdown following the team announcement was ridiculous. Me.. well I'm VTID
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Didn't see the game but feared the worst when I saw the team selection. Good result and kicks us further into mid table mediocrity. Brighton defending for our second goal was pub league, mind.
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Chuffed with the three points, I was dubious when I saw the line up but that was a proffesional performance.
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Many lorries are now making their way to the midlands laden with humble pie. Mainly for people of this parish. The meltdown following the team announcement was ridiculous. Me.. well I'm VTID
Best Fan sticker for you.
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Grateful for, and relieved with the three points.
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Agree with most, result was most important today. Didn't play well at all, but neither did they and we edged it. Whoever scored the first goal would probably go on to win.
Hopefully this doesn't mean Gerrard thinks that Ings and Watkins is the way to go.
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Not pretty, the ref didn't help though. Our passing is still very poor and we always look rushed and not composed.
The form of Luiz is worrying, he is not himself at all. Watkins still hasn't got that self belief and his first touch is shocking. Great finish Fromm him though, maybe that will do his confidence some good.
MIngs and Cons very solid as were both full backs. Ramsey and McGinn battled well in midfield.
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We scored when we needed to, defended well with Emi Martinez's first save coming on 79 minutes and managed the game well in the last 15 minutes. We didn't play very well at all though but we didn't have to - a better side than Brighton would have taken advantage of our numerous errors. The referee was abysmally atrocious and that is being generous.
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Wasn't able to tune in till 4.30. So why was it delayed, exactly? Info thin on the ground
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Many lorries are now making their way to the midlands laden with humble pie. Mainly for people of this parish. The meltdown following the team announcement was ridiculous. Me.. well I'm VTID
I aspire to be as amazing as you.
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Three points! Feels kind of strange. Can't remember the last time Villa didn't ruin my weekend.
Industrious first half, organised and though not producing much, never really threatened in the 2nd. Two great goals will give them something to show in the highlights.
Another vote for SJM as MOTM.
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Many lorries are now making their way to the midlands laden with humble pie. Mainly for people of this parish. The meltdown following the team announcement was ridiculous. Me.. well I'm VTID
That’s quite pathetic
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Wasn't able to tune in till 4.30. So why was it delayed, exactly? Info thin on the ground
Villa team bus was late apparently
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No complaints from me if every away game from now on is exactly the same.
Clean sheet ✔️
Watkins back scoring ✔️
Tim Iroegbunam got a few minutes ✔️
Sanson on at the end ✔️
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Well done Villa and good to see Ollie scoring
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Many lorries are now making their way to the midlands laden with humble pie. Mainly for people of this parish. The meltdown following the team announcement was ridiculous. Me.. well I'm VTID
Utter bollocks, the team selection was never right, we won against a very poor Brighton side!
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Wasn't able to tune in till 4.30. So why was it delayed, exactly? Info thin on the ground
Villa team bus was late apparently
Accident on the motorway, and the coach was caught up in the traffic
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Stopped the rot, which was what was needed. Solid enough and a couple of moments of quality. Ollie needed that goal.
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Wasn't able to tune in till 4.30. So why was it delayed, exactly? Info thin on the ground
Crash on the road in causing traffic chaos. Villa bus stick in it.
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Fucking relieved. 3 points will do. I will enjoy a few beers. WE not ruined like the previous ones.
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No complaints from me if every away game from now on is exactly the same.
Clean sheet ✔️
Watkins back scoring ✔️
Tim Iroegbunam got a few minutes ✔️
Sanson on at the end ✔️
Totally agree, Iroegbunam looked composed for all 3 of his touches especially the quick feet and release up the line. Not a vintage performance and I agree Luiz and Ings probably shouldn't be in the starting XI next week but 3 points and a league double against a team we don't always beat will do for me.
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Wasn't able to tune in till 4.30. So why was it delayed, exactly? Info thin on the ground
Villa team bus was late apparently
I know that a whole bunch of trains into Brighton were cancelled today so I guess that made road traffic busier than usual. Hope nobody was made late beyond the delayed kick-off
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Accident on the a23
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3 points is 3 points
It’s hardly like we nicked a game 1-0 in injury time.
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Great to get the double over Brighton, one of those pain in the arse teams who always seem to play well against us.
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Horrible niggly bastards as well. Good to do the double over them.
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Good 3 points poor ref.
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Finally lost patience and took Ollie out of my fantasy football team so of course he finally scores. Wouldn't mind seeing Sanson get a run in the side now. He's a very tidy footballer and we're wasting him.
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Horrible niggly bastards as well. Good to do the double over them.
Yeah cynical fuckers. That challenge on Coutinho was dreadful and should have been a red.
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Had we won last week and lost this one I don't think many would have been surprised, but the run would look better.
Winning breeds confidence and we need a bit of that after the recent bilge on offer.
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Many lorries are now making their way to the midlands laden with humble pie. Mainly for people of this parish. The meltdown following the team announcement was ridiculous. Me.. well I'm VTID
Utter bollocks, the team selection was never right, we won against a very poor Brighton side!
Yeah right. Being a villa fan for 55 fuckin years sorry I didnt throw my fuckin toys out of the pram when the team was announced. Some of of us can see positives and god forbid I join the miserable pessimistic twats like you. VTYD... yeah fuck...3 points is all that matters you fuckin twat
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Better. Nit amazing, but better
Notable shout outs to Mings Konsa Cash and SJM. Luiz needs a stint on the bench. Sanson looked decent when he came on and deserves a start.
Front two again poor, but Watkins took his goal very well.
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Wasn't able to tune in till 4.30. So why was it delayed, exactly? Info thin on the ground
Once the officials heard you were not going to able to tune in at 3 they delayed the game as much as possible.
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Many lorries are now making their way to the midlands laden with humble pie. Mainly for people of this parish. The meltdown following the team announcement was ridiculous. Me.. well I'm VTID
I'm just in it for all the glory we get following a consistently winning team, CCR.
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Calm it down a bit CCR, we’re all on the same side fella.
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Many lorries are now making their way to the midlands laden with humble pie. Mainly for people of this parish. The meltdown following the team announcement was ridiculous. Me.. well I'm VTID
Utter bollocks, the team selection was never right, we won against a very poor Brighton side!
Yeah right. Being a villa fan for 55 fuckin years sorry I didnt throw my fuckin toys out of the pram when the team was announced. Some of of us can see positives and god forbid I join the miserable pessimistic twats like you. VTYD... yeah fuck...3 points is all that matters you fuckin twat
Calm down dear.
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Many lorries are now making their way to the midlands laden with humble pie. Mainly for people of this parish. The meltdown following the team announcement was ridiculous. Me.. well I'm VTID
Utter bollocks, the team selection was never right, we won against a very poor Brighton side!
Yeah right. Being a villa fan for 55 fuckin years sorry I didnt throw my fuckin toys out of the pram when the team was announced. Some of of us can see positives and god forbid I join the miserable pessimistic twats like you. VTYD... yeah fuck...3 points is all that matters you fuckin twat
Wow…you need help fella.
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Many lorries are now making their way to the midlands laden with humble pie. Mainly for people of this parish. The meltdown following the team announcement was ridiculous. Me.. well I'm VTID
Utter bollocks, the team selection was never right, we won against a very poor Brighton side!
Yeah right. Being a villa fan for 55 fuckin years sorry I didnt throw my fuckin toys out of the pram when the team was announced. Some of of us can see positives and god forbid I join the miserable pessimistic twats like you. VTYD... yeah fuck...3 points is all that matters you fuckin twat
Oooh, what a palaver!
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Horrible niggly bastards as well. Good to do the double over them.
Our Stevie’s first double.
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The referee was trying to make a name for himself, booking so many players. Not one bad foul in the game. Great finish from Ollie, he really needed that. Without being brilliant, I thought we were solid enough and only one serious save to make, therefore, a clean sheet is very welcome. Lovely to see Tim Iroegbunam get his debut and didn't look out of place. Brighton really are all fart and no shit. Two nice goals. Well done Villa.
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Didn't see the match, but putting on shit shows maybe be for the like of Birmingham and Albion, but it not good enough for us, that why we criticize when necessary as proven in recent games
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A much needed win.
Good to see Ollie score, should give him a boost.
Up the fucking Villa!
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A hard fought and very welcome win.
Thought Iroegbunam looked decent when he came on. Worth giving a try next time out as Luiz was frankly awful today. He looks like a player with very low confidence.
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Much needed three points. Well done lads. Looking forward to Match of the Day tonight.
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The team selection didn’t surprise me to be honest because none of us see what happens at BH during the week except for the well staged videos and pics. There might be injuries and niggles etc which rightly influence selection. Whatever the reason Sanson doesn’t start, two managers now don’t see him in the first eleven. I’m just glad we’ve won though whatever the lineup
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Oh dear some angry fellas on here.
A good (surprising) victory today. Well done to the players who reached back into their memories to pull off an away victory whilst keeping a clean sheet.
Well done to Mings and Konsa for restricting Brighton to one shot on target all afternoon.
Well done Ollie for his goal.
Oo Ollie Watkins, Oo Ollie Watkins, Oo Ollie Watkins!
For our manager..By the time we play Soton, it will have been 3 months since we last won at home. This needs sorting asap!
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Many lorries are now making their way to the midlands laden with humble pie. Mainly for people of this parish. The meltdown following the team announcement was ridiculous. Me.. well I'm VTID
We were marginally less shit playing a completely out of form Brighton side.
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Could Luiz be knackered from his off-field exertions? Mind on other things perhaps?
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Many lorries are now making their way to the midlands laden with humble pie. Mainly for people of this parish. The meltdown following the team announcement was ridiculous. Me.. well I'm VTID
Utter bollocks, the team selection was never right, we won against a very poor Brighton side!
Yeah right. Being a villa fan for 55 fuckin years sorry I didnt throw my fuckin toys out of the pram when the team was announced. Some of of us can see positives and god forbid I join the miserable pessimistic twats like you. VTYD... yeah fuck...3 points is all that matters you fuckin twat
Cut that out please.
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Many lorries are now making their way to the midlands laden with humble pie. Mainly for people of this parish. The meltdown following the team announcement was ridiculous. Me.. well I'm VTID
We were marginally less shit playing a completely out of form Brighton side.
And did what we needed to do. Won. Happy days.
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What happened to Carney Chukwuemeka? Not on the bench...
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First 20 minutes it felt like it would be another long afternoon but Brighton did their usual of missing chances and Cash hit a very nice goal.
We did well to keep 11 on as that ref was one of the worst I've seen for a long time.
Second half was very comfortable, felt like we'd have seen it out 0-1 if needed but good Ollie finished off a one on one for first time in a while.
Onwards and perhaps upwards then. Life of a mid table team.
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Many lorries are now making their way to the midlands laden with humble pie. Mainly for people of this parish. The meltdown following the team announcement was ridiculous. Me.. well I'm VTID
Best Fan sticker for you.
But to be fair, he’s about right
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What happened to Carnry Chukwuemeka? No on the bench...
Aye, was thinking that.
I'm not going to give out about Luiz and McGinn so much as they prob need a break and have been playing like it recently. Played throughout the last two summers and will be playing this summer as well. It takes its toll.
But on that basis, all the more reason to see more from Chuck and Sanson. Or to see of they can at least handle it.
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Toronto has said everything I wanted to. I’ll just add that Cash should be fined for removing his shirt. Yes, I know it’s a heartfelt and sincere message but don’t remove your shirt. With the way the ref was dishing out yellow we were lucky he didn’t get another. Brighton are in a false position and Bravearse is back to his best.
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I wonder if Buendia was being protected. Didn't come on, although I guess he wouldn't do when 2-0 up.
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A tough watch in the home end moaning about the time wasting and niggly fouls. I thought it went both ways and ref never had control. We weren’t great but took our chances. A win is a win.
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Two cracking finishes, chuffed for Watkins, he could be in a wheelchair and he'd still do more than Ings.
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Makes up for Watford doing the double on us
Still wouldn't have played that team but happy enough tonight
Mcginn was good today .Luis for a professional football is terrible at a simple pass .
Might give Watkins confidence as he really needs it .
Suppose buendia and bailey get time to recover .
Defence was good
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Many lorries are now making their way to the midlands laden with humble pie. Mainly for people of this parish. The meltdown following the team announcement was ridiculous. Me.. well I'm VTID
Yes very good supported as you were positive before match so good credit to you I say.
We want more of that!
Brilliant win! And clean sheet.
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https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/teams/aston-villa/12552533/brighton-0-2-aston-villa-premier-league-highlights
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Toronto has said everything I wanted to. I’ll just add that Cash should be fined for removing his shirt. Yes, I know it’s a heartfelt and sincere message but don’t remove your shirt
I’d rather be sent off for making a gesture than hiding behind “rules and regulations”.
Support of Ukraine is s more important than a yellow, red card or defeat in a game.
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Many lorries are now making their way to the midlands laden with humble pie. Mainly for people of this parish. The meltdown following the team announcement was ridiculous. Me.. well I'm VTID
Best Fan sticker for you.
But to be fair, he’s about right
I can see where he was coming from too but let's just enjoy today's win and get back to lambasting Putin.
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Many lorries are now making their way to the midlands laden with humble pie. Mainly for people of this parish. The meltdown following the team announcement was ridiculous. Me.. well I'm VTID
Best Fan sticker for you.
But to be fair, he’s about right
Might have pissed people off but there is a point in what CCR is saying. I was dubious about starting 11 today, but there are people on the pre match thread today and other threads in recent days and weeks, calling for Gerrards head ffs, completely OTT.
I was in York for the weekend and travelling back when the goals went in, so haven’t seen the game. If people on here have said we didn’t play that well, fair enough, but Im not sure it matters at the minute. You can have all the tactics in the world, but sometimes football at every level comes down to confidence, at least up to a point. Lots of our players are low on confidence, most of all our strikers. So in summary I’m chuffed to bits and its just what the team and Ollie Watkins needed. Tough game against Southampton next week but aren’t they all, Watford drawing at Man Utd for example.
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Might have pissed people off but there is a point in what CCR is saying. I was dubious about starting 11 today, but there are people on the pre match thread today and other threads in recent days and weeks, calling for Gerrards head ffs, completely OTT.
I was in York for the weekend and travelling back when the goals went in, so haven’t seen the game. If people on here have said we didn’t play that well, fair enough, but Im not sure it matters at the minute. You can have all the tactics in the world, but sometimes football at every level comes down to confidence, at least up to a point. Lots of our players are low on confidence, most of all our strikers. So in summary I’m chuffed to bits and its just what the team and Ollie Watkins needed. Tough game against Southampton next week but aren’t they all, Watford drawing at Man Utd for example.
Yep, and as Potter said before the game, it's only really the top 2 or 3 who aren't inconsistent at the moment. West Ham are 6th and they've only won 1 in 6.
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Somewhere on the Brighton forum there's a sullen Seagull saying
"Play in claret and blue and badly need a win? Just rock up to the Amex and we'll roll over and gift you 3 points. Potter OUT"
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Not a great performance, and ironically we've done to Brighton what has been done to us in the last couple of games, with them having plenty of the ball in the final third, but creating little, and then we took a couple of our few chances. I said in the build-up we seem to do better against teams that want to actually have a go, and it's played out that way again. I think we've played better and NOT won this season, but given the last two results, the three points was definitely the most important thing. Hopefully builds a bit of confidence ahead of of Southampton.
Special mention for Watkins, who still had his first-touch issues, but it was a very well-taken goal and he worked his socks off all game, especially chasing Lamptey down our left side. I lost count of the number of times Lamptey was forced to halt a run forward and cut back on himself due to Watkins' relentless pressing - and he's one of the most promising attacking full-backs in the league. I do wonder if Ollie was selected ahead of Buendia for precisely that reason. If he was, then it was a job very well done.
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Watkins looks great when he's put through running onto the ball, as with the goal today. It's when he's got time to think about what to do and a defender in front of him that he looks poor.
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Might have pissed people off but there is a point in what CCR is saying. I was dubious about starting 11 today, but there are people on the pre match thread today and other threads in recent days and weeks, calling for Gerrards head ffs, completely OTT.
I was in York for the weekend and travelling back when the goals went in, so haven’t seen the game. If people on here have said we didn’t play that well, fair enough, but Im not sure it matters at the minute. You can have all the tactics in the world, but sometimes football at every level comes down to confidence, at least up to a point. Lots of our players are low on confidence, most of all our strikers. So in summary I’m chuffed to bits and its just what the team and Ollie Watkins needed. Tough game against Southampton next week but aren’t they all, Watford drawing at Man Utd for example.
Yep, and as Potter said before the game, it's only really the top 2 or 3 who aren't inconsistent at the moment. West Ham are 6th and they've only won 1 in 6.
And Spurs in 7th have fewer points in the last 6 games than we have. I'd love to see a bit of consistency in the last dozen or so games. Even in terms of performance if not in results. Clearly the top 3 are head and shoulders clear of everyone quality-wise, but I'd love us to show we can compete with the chasing pack till the end of the season (even if they're well out of reach this season).
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Big, big result today. The last couple of results have been very disappointing so to get a result at Brighton is very welcome.
Luiz and Ings not great though. Still need to look at a few things before the Southampton game.
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Much-needed three points. Hopefully it puts an end to our mini slump.
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Wasn't able to tune in till 4.30. So why was it delayed, exactly? Info thin on the ground
They were late searching VP for Ollie's first touch...ended up leaving without it :)
Thought we played some nice stuff at times, but still very inconsistent. Like others, SJM was my MOTM and Luiz needs to take a long, hard look at himself in mirror.
edit to add : I thought Tim I. looked very assured in his cameo - excited to see more of him.
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Many lorries are now making their way to the midlands laden with humble pie. Mainly for people of this parish. The meltdown following the team announcement was ridiculous. Me.. well I'm VTID
Best Fan sticker for you.
But to be fair, he’s about right
Might have pissed people off but there is a point in what CCR is saying. I was dubious about starting 11 today, but there are people on the pre match thread today and other threads in recent days and weeks, calling for Gerrards head ffs, completely OTT.
I was in York for the weekend and travelling back when the goals went in, so haven’t seen the game. If people on here have said we didn’t play that well, fair enough, but Im not sure it matters at the minute. You can have all the tactics in the world, but sometimes football at every level comes down to confidence, at least up to a point. Lots of our players are low on confidence, most of all our strikers. So in summary I’m chuffed to bits and its just what the team and Ollie Watkins needed. Tough game against Southampton next week but aren’t they all, Watford drawing at Man Utd for example.
Absolutely. Someone on the match thread had “Gerrard out” before the game kicked off. Jeeez.
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Toronto has said everything I wanted to. I’ll just add that Cash should be fined for removing his shirt. Yes, I know it’s a heartfelt and sincere message but don’t remove your shirt
I’d rather be sent off for making a gesture than hiding behind “rules and regulations”.
Support of Ukraine is s more important than a yellow, red card or defeat in a game.
Of course it is. He could have made the same gesture but left the shirt partly on. That doesn’t get a booking. In other words, you don’t need to get booked to make your point.
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Better but not great. I feel more optimistic that we are a work in progress rather than falling apart now though.
I’ve not watched the match yet Nev, but that’s what I thought after seeing the result.
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Very relieved that we finally get 3 points. Pleased for Watkins to score again. Don't want to see Luiz play again and don't want to see both Watkins and ings on at the same time. Still want Gerrard out and purslow with him.
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If you moaned and got it wrong you’ve got to own it
I’ve made an arse of myself on here a million times And I’m sure I’ll do it million more
CCR was just throwing it back at you as is his want
Take it, be glad that you were proved wrong no need to get on his case
PS told you we shouldn’t be dropping McGinn 😀
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The first ten minutes or so we looked all over the place, like we'd we'd just jumped off the coach (which we probably had). We got the goal whilst we had that spell on top and after that, we did ok. It was much needed more than brilliant but i'll take that.
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Look at that Mings pass. He looked for Watkins and was world class disturbiton. Commentator called it a big punt! SG clearly got them working on their shooting and passing I think in coming weeks we could be having lot more pleasure and entertaining fair.
Southampton Leeds and West Ham will all give up opportunities for goals and we have to take advantage. These passes by Mings sometimes are the best way out of things
Brilliant!
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CCR was just throwing it back at you as is his want
Take it, be glad that you were proved wrong no need to get on his case
I have to hold my hands up and admit I got it wrong. I predicted a narrow win, didn't expect it to be by 2 clear goals.
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I did think Sanson should have been in for Luiz but considering he didn’t change it in the last match I wasn’t particularly surprised. Otherwise I didn’t really have a problem with the pick, I didn’t think we’d win today whatever he did because there appeared to be a lack of ‘something’ going beyond just a few selection changes. Fair play though, got the much needed win. Not really got a problem with people disagreeing with the selection though, just normal fan stuff really. We all have our favourite players and an opinion on who should be playing.
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Haven't read the thread, I thought between the 1st and 2nd goal we were easily the better team. After we scored our 2nd our play really frustrated me though. Im hoping it was because of our previous results and Gerrard just wanted the win, but I feel its because he's more Rafa Benitez than Jurgen Klopp.
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We all make predictions. I thought we'd lose, I saw the team I still thought we'd lose.
But then McGinn was immense but Luiz was terrible, Brighton were terrible. Watkins was terrible apart from his goal but he took it so well.
We all want to win but when the result falls either way, thumbing your nose and "told you so" is for the opposition.
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Following some comments on here today, Al I can say is, we all want our team to do well and, we need to respect that some people have different opinions than others. Wouldn’t it be a very dull thread if we all said the same thing. Vive la difference!!
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Look at that Mings pass. He looked for Watkins and was world class disturbiton. Commentator called it a big punt! SG clearly got them working on their shooting and passing I think in coming weeks we could be having lot more pleasure and entertaining fair.
Southampton Leeds and West Ham will all give up opportunities for goals and we have to take advantage. These passes by Mings sometimes are the best way out of things
Brilliant!
Look at that Mings pass. He looked for Watkins and was world class disturbiton. Commentator called it a big punt!
Saved me posting it Footy, thanks. Commentator was a Dick for saying it; yet again proving that most of them know nothing about football.
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We all make predictions. I thought we'd lose, I saw the team I still thought we'd lose.
But then McGinn was immense but Luiz was terrible, Brighton were terrible. Watkins was terrible apart from his goal but he took it so well.
We all want to win but when the result falls either way, thumbing your nose and "told you so" is for the opposition.
Glad your happy, enjoy your night !!!!
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Oh ye of little faith:
2-0 Villa. Brighton have just lost 3-0 at home to Burnley. Double over them incoming.
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Ings did a lot of work but he doesn't fit how we play, JM magnificent today but oh dear, Luiz, for a Brazilian his disposal is shocking. Liked the cameo form the young kid, not going to attempt to spell his name.
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Ings did a lot of work but he doesn't fit how we play, JM magnificent today but oh dear, Luiz, for a Brazilian his disposal is shocking. Liked the cameo form the young kid, not going to attempt to spell his name.
Tim.
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We all make predictions. I thought we'd lose, I saw the team I still thought we'd lose.
But then McGinn was immense but Luiz was terrible, Brighton were terrible. Watkins was terrible apart from his goal but he took it so well.
We all want to win but when the result falls either way, thumbing your nose and "told you so" is for the opposition.
Glad your happy, enjoy your night !!!!
I will. We won.
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Iroegbunam
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Sounds like we did to Brighton what Watford did to us last week, home team playing pretty ish football but not working the keeper? With a very limited oaf like Maupay at centre forward they are massively over achieving to be on page 1 of ceefax - didn’t Konsa nearly chin him at full time in one of the lock down games?
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it didn't matter how we won today as long as we did. Chuffed for Gerrard.
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For those that saw the game how did Bissouma do? Did he show enough to want to go all out to get him in the summer or do we look elsewhere for that #6 role?
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Veltman's scissor tackle on Coutinho was reminiscent of Mee's on Wesley. I don't think clogging centre backs like Villa using Brazilians. Veltman should have walked not just for the tackle, which only earned him a yellow, but for the fact he kicked the ball away as well. That referee is in no way equipped for top level officiating.
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he had an off day today
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For those that saw the game how did Bissouma do? Did he show enough to want to go all out to get him in the summer or do we look elsewhere for that #6 role?
He was neat and tidy with the ball but I didn't think he stood out at all to be honest Gareth. Brighton had a lot of the ball and crossed quite a lot into our box but failed to trouble us. They way they play, crosses into the box, they need a bigger centre forward to attack the balls in. Bissouma is arguably one of the reasons why they had a lot of the ball but didn't look massively dangerous.
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For those that saw the game how did Bissouma do? Did he show enough to want to go all out to get him in the summer or do we look elsewhere for that #6 role?
He was neat and tidy with the ball but I didn't think he stood out at all to be honest Gareth. Brighton had a lot of the ball and crossed quite a lot into our box but failed to trouble us. They way they play, crosses into the box, they need a bigger centre forward to attack the balls in. Bissouma is arguably one of the reasons why they had a lot of the ball but didn't look massively dangerous.
He also lost a 50/50 block-tackle with JJ on the edge of their box, which nearly led to JJ scoring. If that has been our DM losing a tackle like that against an attacking midfielder, I'd be furious. JJ did well, but in that situation a proper top class DM should be winning those.
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Might be from watching on TV but thought Luiz was terrible.
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Might be from watching on TV but thought Luiz was terrible.
He’s passing was woeful, he’s not in form at all.
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We all make predictions. I thought we'd lose, I saw the team I still thought we'd lose.
But then McGinn was immense but Luiz was terrible, Brighton were terrible. Watkins was terrible apart from his goal but he took it so well.
We all want to win but when the result falls either way, thumbing your nose and "told you so" is for the opposition.
Aye, it's bollocks.
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Iroegbunam
How did you manage to do that? You are either the bestest speller in the world or you just care and make an effort🤔
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CCR was just throwing it back at you as is his want
Take it, be glad that you were proved wrong no need to get on his case
I have to hold my hands up and admit I got it wrong. I predicted a narrow win, didn't expect it to be by 2 clear goals.
So you admit you were 100% wrong?
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Very comfortable win. Brighton are utterly tedious and toothless.
Nice shape out of possession nullified them entirely, while we closed the gaps in midfield to be more effective going forwards.
Ramsey had a great chance in the 1st half, Sanchez made a wonderful save from Coutinho's free kicks in the 2nd.
McGinn a lot more like it before he dropped to 6. Dougie wasteful in possession and a bit too casual for me.
Grateful for the delayed kick off! Seen a couple of very accidents today, barriers up on the M6 around Stafford and and then a car upturned on the way back by Heathrow.
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Massive three points, with the nice bonus of a clean sheet which can be totally credited to the defence as Martinez was untroubled. McGinn was much improved and although I didn’t think much of Watkins overall performance that goal might give him the confidence to get back to his best.
I still don’t think that is our best team (Luiz in particular needs to be dropped) but hopefully this gives us a platform to build on. Fingers crossed going forward we will see some more squad rotation so we can give everyone a chance before the summer.
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CCR was just throwing it back at you as is his want
Take it, be glad that you were proved wrong no need to get on his case
I have to hold my hands up and admit I got it wrong. I predicted a narrow win, didn't expect it to be by 2 clear goals.
So you admit you were 100% wrong?
Absolutely and as per usual. Just imagine how wrong I'd manage to be if I ever got married.
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Massive three points, with the nice bonus of a clean sheet which can be totally credited to the defence as Martinez was untroubled. McGinn was much improved and although I didn’t think much of Watkins overall performance that goal might give him the confidence to get back to his best.
I still don’t think that is our best team (Luiz in particular needs to be dropped) but hopefully this gives us a platform to build on. Fingers crossed going forward we will see some more squad rotation so we can give everyone a chance before the summer.
I agree with this. McGinn was miles better today. Ollie wasn't achieving much and lacked control before scoring but the forward pair worked hard.
Cash took his goal really well, but was a bit iffy at times and Luiz was careless. Having said that, it was a much improved performance overall.
I thought Brighton were a bit like us last week, more possession but little impact and cohesion. We nullified any real threat and our defence looked much more solid.
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Toronto has said everything I wanted to. I’ll just add that Cash should be fined for removing his shirt. Yes, I know it’s a heartfelt and sincere message but don’t remove your shirt
I’d rather be sent off for making a gesture than hiding behind “rules and regulations”.
Support of Ukraine is s more important than a yellow, red card or defeat in a game.
Of course it is. He could have made the same gesture but left the shirt partly on. That doesn’t get a booking. In other words, you don’t need to get booked to make your point.
I’ve given up caring.
Yes.
You all win the argument. A referee’s integrity is very important.
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Only watched on a stream but from that I felt that the full backs stayed at home a lot more than usual in terms of their average positions, meaning Ramsay and SJM were behind them a lot less. Hence McGinn’s marked improvement?
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Only watched on a stream but from that I felt that the full backs stayed at home a lot more than usual in terms of their average positions, meaning Ramsay and SJM were behind them a lot less. Hence McGinn’s marked improvement?
That's how I saw it, too.
The only real downer was that I thought Luiz still managed to look really poor. His passing was frequently awful.
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Absolutely and as per usual. Just imagine how wrong I'd manage to be if I ever got married.
Haha...I think you deploy a very successful trial and error method whilst providing a greater opportunity to many when it comes to partners.
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Better. Nit amazing, but better
Notable shout outs to Mings Konsa Cash and SJM. Luiz needs a stint on the bench. Sanson looked decent when he came on and deserves a start.
Front two again poor, but Watkins took his goal very well.
Gerrard mentioned the subs did well in interviews afterwards, so perhaps a Sanson start is coming. He shows good touch.
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Look at that Mings pass. He looked for Watkins and was world class disturbiton. Commentator called it a big punt! SG clearly got them working on their shooting and passing I think in coming weeks we could be having lot more pleasure and entertaining fair.
Southampton Leeds and West Ham will all give up opportunities for goals and we have to take advantage. These passes by Mings sometimes are the best way out of things
Brilliant!
Fair play Footy, you have the courage of your convictions, and I am usually with you in spirit.
The Mings long pass is often decried on here by lesser mortals than you and I.
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Iroegbunam
I will stick with Tim thanks.
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SG needs to take Luiz out of the team for a few games. The guy is clearly struggling. Give Sanson a start ffs!
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Watched the highlights. Great to see how everyone looked delighted when Watkins scored. Especially Ings.
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Great result - really good to see Watkins score. Only saw the highlights was it like a Diamond that we played - were Ings and Watkins any better together? Wondering if Emi2 will come back in next game
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SG needs to take Luiz out of the team for a few games. The guy is clearly struggling. Give Sanson a start ffs!
Footy I think said elsewhere that he's had an 'excellent summer' and thats a good point. He hasn't had much of a break really and he probably needs taking out for a few games for that alone as well as his form.
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I think some people are being over critical about the performance. Brighton keep it very tight and don’t lose many - you’re not going to go there and be allowed to play expansive Brazil 1970 style football. It was a comfortable away win and a clean sheet against tough opposition and our out of form striker scored a very good goal. What’s not to like?
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Pretty much last week in reverse, I thought. They had tons of possession but struggled to make chances. We still made a few mistakes but it was far more disciplined than recent games both in and out of possession and we scored a couple of really good goals. Mings long ball to Watkins was a throwback to last season and he finished it well. Hopefully it will have settled a few jitters.
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When we seem to set out to be disciplined and obdurate, we can be a very effective team.
We should do it more often.
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I’m sure if John Stones would have played that ball it would have been a clever pass and not a long hopeful punt, as MOT put it.
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I’m sure if John Stones would have played that ball it would have been a clever pass and not a long hopeful punt, as MOT put it.
Called by Ashley Williams, a player judging another player by the limits of his own ability.
Tyrone has had that ball to Watkins in his locker since we signed him, it was the same ball that got the Sheff Utd player
sent off in Watkins first game.
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I’m sure if John Stones would have played that ball it would have been a clever pass and not a long hopeful punt, as MOT put it.
Called by Ashley Williams, a player judging another player by the limits of his own ability.
Tyrone has had that ball to Watkins in his locker since we signed him, it was the same ball that got the Sheff Utd player
sent off in Watkins first game.
Any reasonable defender should be able to defend a ball like that. Can only imagine the reaction on here if Mings had been the defender at fault.
I didn't see the game but was totally against Ings/Watkins being given another go. How did they do as a partnership?
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I’m sure if John Stones would have played that ball it would have been a clever pass and not a long hopeful punt, as MOT put it.
Called by Ashley Williams, a player judging another player by the limits of his own ability.
Tyrone has had that ball to Watkins in his locker since we signed him, it was the same ball that got the Sheff Utd player
sent off in Watkins first game.
Any reasonable defender should be able to defend a ball like that. Can only imagine the reaction on here if Mings had been the defender at fault.
I didn't see the game but was totally against Ings/Watkins being given another go. How did they do as a partnership?
They played either side of Coutinho so not really a partnership but it did look a better balance. I thought both worked their bollocks off and Watkins in particular seemed happier in the formation.
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Great day out and good win and clean sheet.
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Yes, marvellous day out. Enjoyed every minute of it.
I think some are being harsh on the team. We weathered the early storm, took the heat out of Brighton's attack, quietened the crowd and scored a couple of lovely goals. I'm chuffed to bits with the 3 points.
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Long drive but a good day out. Brighton fans seem a decent lot, but I’m not sure i’d like the idea of most of the fanbase being bussed in and out of the ground on every match day. Seems really soulless. Saying that though its still a really smart little stadium with friendly support.
Great to see us win away as well.
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Great result - really good to see Watkins score. Only saw the highlights was it like a Diamond that we played - were Ings and Watkins any better together? Wondering if Emi2 will come back in next game
It was a definite change in shape, with Ings and Watkins up front with Coutinho in a central role just behind them. Watkins and Ings stayed fairly wide, meaning the full-backs didn't seem to be as advanced as before.
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Great day out and good win and clean sheet.
Yes, marvellous day out. Enjoyed every minute of it.
I think some are being harsh on the team. We weathered the early storm, took the heat out of Brighton's attack, quietened the crowd and scored a couple of lovely goals. I'm chuffed to bits with the 3 points.
This is what it's all about! That's more than great to hear and as well as being super pleased for the team winning happy to hear fellows here enjoying the whole experience!
I'm very encouraged to hear and thanks for sharing how good it was!
I'm really wishing to go to some matches again if only a handful a season Brighton may be something depending on when it's on for next season as that seems ok
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It was a definite change in shape, with Ings and Watkins up front with Coutinho in a central role just behind them. Watkins and Ings stayed fairly wide, meaning the full-backs didn't seem to be as advanced as before.
Sounds far more effective than playing in a way that leaves our fullbacks stranded upfield.
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It was a definite change in shape, with Ings and Watkins up front with Coutinho in a central role just behind them. Watkins and Ings stayed fairly wide, meaning the full-backs didn't seem to be as advanced as before.
Sounds far more effective than playing in a way that leaves our fullbacks stranded upfield.
It's encouraging too that the problems have been identified and a solution was found that worked.
Lots of accusations of tactical inflexibility in the week (and it concerned me), so that's really good to see.
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I think my only concern was the lack of possession and against a more clinical side inviting that much pressure will be tough. Mind you Wolves do this very well but then they are not careless when they have the ball. That’s something we really need to work on. Luiz especially was very wasteful.
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I think my only concern was the lack of possession and against a more clinical side inviting that much pressure will be tough. Mind you Wolves do this very well but then they are not careless when they have the ball. That’s something we really need to work on. Luiz especially was very wasteful.
The simple solution to that is to stop picking Luiz.
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I think my only concern was the lack of possession and against a more clinical side inviting that much pressure will be tough. Mind you Wolves do this very well but then they are not careless when they have the ball. That’s something we really need to work on. Luiz especially was very wasteful.
The simple solution to that is to stop picking Luiz.
You summed it up on another thread though. Who with while Nakamba is out?
I would be tempted to give Iroegbunam a run out and why not? Other teams play youngsters in important positions and have done for years.
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I think my only concern was the lack of possession and against a more clinical side inviting that much pressure will be tough. Mind you Wolves do this very well but then they are not careless when they have the ball. That’s something we really need to work on. Luiz especially was very wasteful.
The simple solution to that is to stop picking Luiz.
You summed it up on another thread though. Who with while Nakamba is out?
I would be tempted to give Iroegbunam a run out and why not? Other teams play youngsters in important positions and have done for years.
I'd start with Sanson. He's no more a DM than Luiz is, but seems a lot less prone to giving it away in dangerous areas. Then start giving Iroegbunam more of a run out in games, eg bring him on after 60 mins, or earlier if we've got a decent lead. Then when we've got another 6 or 7 points, start playing him from the start, ie planning for next year. Like Ramsey, if he turns out to be the real deal he could save us £50m.
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For those that saw the game how did Bissouma do? Did he show enough to want to go all out to get him in the summer or do we look elsewhere for that #6 role?
He was neat and tidy with the ball but I didn't think he stood out at all to be honest Gareth. Brighton had a lot of the ball and crossed quite a lot into our box but failed to trouble us. They way they play, crosses into the box, they need a bigger centre forward to attack the balls in. Bissouma is arguably one of the reasons why they had a lot of the ball but didn't look massively dangerous.
I thought v similar in the VP game, neat & tidy but didn’t see a big, mobile destroyer in there. The benchmark shouldn’t be improving on the performances Douglas has put in out of position but to improve those of Nakamba immediately before his injury.
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Much better and much needed win. Disciplined through out and I felt sure they would not score.
Drop Luiz and the team will be better for it.
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what is the verdict on yesterdays performance by the 50 million pound man ?
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Great to see SJM back to his best, if he can maintain that form for the rest of the season, it'll be a major plus for us. Well taken goal from Ollie, hopefully we'll also now see an improvement from him.
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I think my only concern was the lack of possession and against a more clinical side inviting that much pressure will be tough. Mind you Wolves do this very well but then they are not careless when they have the ball. That’s something we really need to work on. Luiz especially was very wasteful.
The simple solution to that is to stop picking Luiz.
You summed it up on another thread though. Who with while Nakamba is out?
I would be tempted to give Iroegbunam a run out and why not? Other teams play youngsters in important positions and have done for years.
I can understand the wariness of starting Iroegbunam, but to be honest Luiz has been that poor is it really such a big risk.
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I think my only concern was the lack of possession and against a more clinical side inviting that much pressure will be tough. Mind you Wolves do this very well but then they are not careless when they have the ball. That’s something we really need to work on. Luiz especially was very wasteful.
The simple solution to that is to stop picking Luiz.
You summed it up on another thread though. Who with while Nakamba is out?
I would be tempted to give Iroegbunam a run out and why not? Other teams play youngsters in important positions and have done for years.
I can understand the wariness of starting Iroegbunam, but to be honest Luiz has been that poor is it really such a big risk.
Yes - and no - all it needs is for Tim to make one error, similar to Sanson a few games ago, and it would either break him, (or make him), hence my opening statement!
He did look very tidy and composed, (with a good eye for a break away pass & move) in his brief cameo, pretty good considering it was all Brighton by then (albeit in midfield only) and I'm sure "Leeds" was still fresh in the players minds.
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I think my only concern was the lack of possession and against a more clinical side inviting that much pressure will be tough. Mind you Wolves do this very well but then they are not careless when they have the ball. That’s something we really need to work on. Luiz especially was very wasteful.
The simple solution to that is to stop picking Luiz.
You summed it up on another thread though. Who with while Nakamba is out?
I would be tempted to give Iroegbunam a run out and why not? Other teams play youngsters in important positions and have done for years.
I'd start with Sanson. He's no more a DM than Luiz is, but seems a lot less prone to giving it away in dangerous areas. Then start giving Iroegbunam more of a run out in games, eg bring him on after 60 mins, or earlier if we've got a decent lead. Then when we've got another 6 or 7 points, start playing him from the start, ie planning for next year. Like Ramsey, if he turns out to be the real deal he could save us £50m.
I agree Sanson deserves a shot but in the limited game time he has had he was directly responsible for giving it away in a dangerous area and gifting Man United a goal.
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I think my only concern was the lack of possession and against a more clinical side inviting that much pressure will be tough. Mind you Wolves do this very well but then they are not careless when they have the ball. That’s something we really need to work on. Luiz especially was very wasteful.
The simple solution to that is to stop picking Luiz.
You summed it up on another thread though. Who with while Nakamba is out?
I would be tempted to give Iroegbunam a run out and why not? Other teams play youngsters in important positions and have done for years.
I'd start with Sanson. He's no more a DM than Luiz is, but seems a lot less prone to giving it away in dangerous areas. Then start giving Iroegbunam more of a run out in games, eg bring him on after 60 mins, or earlier if we've got a decent lead. Then when we've got another 6 or 7 points, start playing him from the start, ie planning for next year. Like Ramsey, if he turns out to be the real deal he could save us £50m.
I agree Sanson deserves a shot but in the limited game time he has had he was directly responsible for giving it away in a dangerous area and gifting Man United a goal.
I thought this at the time when at the match. But if you watch it back again, the pass Sanson received out of defence, left him almost no chance.
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I agree Sanson deserves a shot but in the limited game time he has had he was directly responsible for giving it away in a dangerous area and gifting Man United a goal.
I thought this at the time when at the match. But if you watch it back again, the pass Sanson received out of defence, left him almost no chance.
That was my thought too, it was the dreadful pass to him that caused things to unravel.
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One thing that doesn't seem to have been mentioned was Coutinho's lovely flick from the throw-in before the first goal. Took the defender out of it and enabled Digne to get a nice early ball in.
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One thing that doesn't seem to have been mentioned was Coutinho's lovely flick from the throw-in before the first goal. Took the defender out of it and enabled Digne to get a nice early ball in.
Even when he's not that involved in the wider game too much, you get those moments of class. The backheel to Digne in the lead up to the disallowed goal at Newcastle is another example.
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One thing that doesn't seem to have been mentioned was Coutinho's lovely flick from the throw-in before the first goal. Took the defender out of it and enabled Digne to get a nice early ball in.
Seconded. Great touch. Unlucky not to score from the free-kick too. I thought there were a few instances where he was great at pulling multiple opposition players out of position too, in much the way you-know-who would have done. We just aren’t totally tuned in to maximizing it, yet.
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I'd start with Sanson. He's no more a DM than Luiz is, but seems a lot less prone to giving it away in dangerous areas. Then start giving Iroegbunam more of a run out in games, eg bring him on after 60 mins, or earlier if we've got a decent lead. Then when we've got another 6 or 7 points, start playing him from the start, ie planning for next year. Like Ramsey, if he turns out to be the real deal he could save us £50m.
Totally. Let's use the talent we have more flexibly and with an eye to the furture.
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One thing that doesn't seem to have been mentioned was Coutinho's lovely flick from the throw-in before the first goal. Took the defender out of it and enabled Digne to get a nice early ball in.
Seconded. Great touch. Unlucky not to score from the free-kick too. I thought there were a few instances where he was great at pulling multiple opposition players out of position too, in much the way you-know-who would have done. We just aren’t totally tuned in to maximizing it, yet.
It was a superb free kick, but to be fair to Brighton that was one of the saves of the season as well. Christ knows how he got to that.
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Coutinho surprised he wasn't subbed earlier. Added very little to the general play less than what Buendia would be expected too. Yes He did force a great save and played one terrific through ball but that was about it. I know he gets marked very tight, but he was very far from being our best performer yesterday.
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One thing that doesn't seem to have been mentioned was Coutinho's lovely flick from the throw-in before the first goal. Took the defender out of it and enabled Digne to get a nice early ball in.
I commented on the early cross in the match thread. We don't get those in often enough, instead we fuck about and cross to 1-2 players being marked by 4-5 defenders who are set. By getting the ball over sooner you create space, credit to Coutinho and Digne for their part in the first goal.
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Agreed. Crosses should always be hit first-time wherever possible; it gives the defence less reaction time.