Post by: olaftab on August 19, 2021, 09:25:13 AM
Saturday 21 August kick off 3:00PM
Yes that rare opportunity to watch a match at Villa Park on a Saturday at 3. Really looking forward to it. Let’s hope Dean and boys are up for it.
Post by: sid1964 on August 19, 2021, 09:28:38 AM
If we cant beat Newcastle who will in my opinion will finish just outside the relegation places, then serious questions will need to be asked about Dean and his future
Post by: sickbeggar on August 19, 2021, 09:32:44 AM
Post by: KRS on August 19, 2021, 09:37:32 AM
0-2
Post by: ozzjim on August 19, 2021, 09:41:47 AM
Post by: JD on August 19, 2021, 09:49:09 AM
Post by: eamonn on August 19, 2021, 09:49:10 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/3586054.stm
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 19, 2021, 09:49:58 AM
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on August 19, 2021, 09:52:57 AM
Post by: Nev on August 19, 2021, 09:55:51 AM
I think people underestimate the impact of a packed Villa Park in full voice, just look at the Everton game for evidence. Mind you we have to rely on the team as well, but I'm hoping Watford was enough of a kick up the arse for us to get the points.
2-1
Post by: eamonn on August 19, 2021, 09:57:26 AM
Post by: cannock villa on August 19, 2021, 10:06:16 AM
I have a bad feeling about this one. Football is back at a full excited Villa Park, a new season filled with high expectations, a new future with new signings to look forward to watching…the perfect recipe for disaster. Maxima is going to tear Targett a new arsehole, Wilson will get a few tap ins and we’ll feel stick to our stomach watching fat shirtless Geordies spilling on to the pitch in celebration.Yes because after being one of the players of the season last season and knocking on Englands door, Targett after one game this season is now shite. FFS
0-2
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 19, 2021, 10:08:04 AM
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 19, 2021, 10:08:48 AM
Post by: Bad English on August 19, 2021, 10:09:13 AM
Whatever happens, I would like to see an end to our defence playing socially-distanced, slow-motion tiki-taka for 5 minutes then hoofing it over the midfield each time they have to bring the ball out.
Post by: Proposition Joe on August 19, 2021, 10:17:42 AM
It is going to be a horrible one. For Fistface. 3-1 to us after going behind.
Whatever happens, I would like to see an end to our defence playing socially-distanced, slow-motion tiki-taka for 5 minutes then hoofing it over the midfield each time they have to bring the ball out.
If Newcastle outnumber and out-work us in midfield, aimless tiki taka (Bill Hicks JFK style) and HOOF is exactly what we'll see.
Post by: Steve67 on August 19, 2021, 10:22:23 AM
Post by: sickbeggar on August 19, 2021, 10:25:29 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 19, 2021, 10:27:58 AM
We have to win. Dean will go for it and pick an attacking side. Bailey and Buendia left and right. Ramsey and Nakamba with SJM at 10. Watkins to miss out. Luiz on the bench. I will go 1-0 Villa.it would be a brave decision to not play Watkins if fit. The transfer window is still open.
Post by: Flin5tone on August 19, 2021, 10:28:37 AM
Newcastle to take an early lead and Villa to claw it back in the second half with a more spirited display
Post by: AV82EC on August 19, 2021, 10:33:03 AM
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on August 19, 2021, 10:35:34 AM
Post by: Dick Edwards on August 19, 2021, 10:37:59 AM
Post by: Allan C on August 19, 2021, 10:54:16 AM
Post by: Aldridge Villa on August 19, 2021, 10:58:53 AM
Please win lads.
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 19, 2021, 11:27:17 AM
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 19, 2021, 11:29:03 AM
Martinez
Cash
Konsa
Mings
Targett
Nakamba
Ramsey
Bailey
McGinn
Buendia
Watkins
We can bring Ings on and go two up front if required.
Post by: Aldridge Villa on August 19, 2021, 11:29:33 AM
Post by: CT on August 19, 2021, 11:29:46 AM
Get well soon mate.
Seconded.
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 19, 2021, 11:44:16 AM
Cash Konsa Mings Young
Luiz
Buendia McGinn Bailey
Ings
Watkins
2-0 and more importantly a more than convincing performance
Post by: rob_bridge on August 19, 2021, 01:28:24 PM
Post by: brontebilly on August 19, 2021, 01:34:00 PM
Martinez
Cash Konsa Mings Young
Luiz
Buendia McGinn Bailey
Ings
Watkins
2-0 and more importantly a more than convincing performance
Traore is out isn't he?
Wouldn't mind Guilbert being given a go at RB.
I saw the first half of Newcastle v West Ham. Very open first half, their front three were very dangerous. But the rest of their team are average at best. Any midfield combination of Willock/Hayden/Shelvey we should be dominating.
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 19, 2021, 01:40:46 PM
Post by: KRS on August 19, 2021, 01:58:49 PM
Please tell me where I said that Targett was shite? Maxima looked right on it against West Ham, and he could give Targett (or any other left back) a torrid time on Saturday.I have a bad feeling about this one. Football is back at a full excited Villa Park, a new season filled with high expectations, a new future with new signings to look forward to watching…the perfect recipe for disaster. Maxima is going to tear Targett a new arsehole, Wilson will get a few tap ins and we’ll feel stick to our stomach watching fat shirtless Geordies spilling on to the pitch in celebration.Yes because after being one of the players of the season last season and knocking on Englands door, Targett after one game this season is now shite. FFS
0-2
As an aside, I thought we had agreed that "tearing someone a new arsehole" was homophobic shite?Sorry I didn’t get the memo, and in no way was my post intended to have any such insinuations.
Post by: ozzjim on August 19, 2021, 02:07:05 PM
I would be tempted to go 3-4-3 with Young and Cash pushed up a little. Luiz and SJM central, bring Tuanzebe in for his pace into the back 3 and go Bailey, Buendia and Watkins up top.
Post by: Allan C on August 19, 2021, 02:12:54 PM
MartinezYes that’s the ideal line up for me too
Cash Konsa Mings Young
Luiz
Buendia McGinn Bailey
Ings
Watkins
2-0 and more importantly a more than convincing performance
Post by: Legion on August 19, 2021, 02:13:09 PM
Post by: ozzjim on August 19, 2021, 02:19:06 PM
0-2.
Confident Leeg?
Post by: Legion on August 19, 2021, 02:27:43 PM
Post by: Ian. on August 19, 2021, 02:29:24 PM
MartinezYes that’s the ideal line up for me too
Cash Konsa Mings Young
Luiz
Buendia McGinn Bailey
Ings
Watkins
2-0 and more importantly a more than convincing performance
I've heard Buendia is quite a worker and puts a shift in, does Bailey?
Saint-Maximin could give an ageing Young a run around, but if Taggart is still unfit I guess that's going to be the test for us against these lot. Other than that I like the look of that lineup.
Post by: chrisw1 on August 19, 2021, 02:30:26 PM
Yep, our midfield got destroyed against Watford, so let's take a player out of it to go two up front.MartinezYes that’s the ideal line up for me too
Cash Konsa Mings Young
Luiz
Buendia McGinn Bailey
Ings
Watkins
2-0 and more importantly a more than convincing performance
Post by: villadelph on August 19, 2021, 02:39:44 PM
Yep, our midfield got destroyed against Watford, so let's take a player out of it to go two up front.MartinezYes that’s the ideal line up for me too
Cash Konsa Mings Young
Luiz
Buendia McGinn Bailey
Ings
Watkins
2-0 and more importantly a more than convincing performance
That midfield had Nakamba, Young and El Ghazi in it though..
Post by: KRS on August 19, 2021, 02:50:02 PM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 19, 2021, 03:17:02 PM
-------------------------------Martinez---------------------------------
Cash---------------Konsa----------------Mings----------------Young
-------------Nakamba-------------Luiz---------McGinn--------
Bailey-----------
--------------------------Ings--------------Watkins---------------------
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 19, 2021, 03:30:59 PM
Post by: Ian. on August 19, 2021, 03:39:21 PM
Unless one of you is Dean Smith I don’t see the point in arguing about the starting x1
Nor even discussing on a pre-match thread. That's it folks, close it down, nuff said
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 19, 2021, 03:44:48 PM
Come on, we have got to unparalleled levels of starting X1 permutations.Unless one of you is Dean Smith I don’t see the point in arguing about the starting x1
Nor even discussing on a pre-match thread. That's it folks, close it down, nuff said
Maybe we should have a spot the line up competition instead of spot the crowd, I think it would be more interesting.
Post by: Risso on August 19, 2021, 03:47:52 PM
Post by: Ian. on August 19, 2021, 03:49:18 PM
To be fair, it's quite a conundrum trying to put this team together, I find it quite interesting. For two years now our team has pretty much picked itself.
Post by: Ian. on August 19, 2021, 03:49:38 PM
Post by: olaftab on August 19, 2021, 04:00:36 PM
Reverse psychology.It doesn’t work. I used to do this in my infancy by bringing up every score we could lose by but in the end it’s about praying at the oak tree in Aston park.
Post by: CT on August 19, 2021, 04:02:41 PM
Ok, what else shall we talk about before the game? The weather? How you getting there? Where you watching it? Where you going for breakfast?
To be fair, it's quite a conundrum trying to put this team together, I find it quite interesting. For two years now our team has pretty much picked itself.
As for the weather, it might be quite wet!
Post by: Monty on August 19, 2021, 04:15:25 PM
Unless one of you is Dean Smith I don’t see the point in arguing about the starting x1
Eh?? Isn't that a bit like saying if none of us are the ref then there's no point arguing about a penalty decision?
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 19, 2021, 04:21:15 PM
er where you all going for a drink?Unless one of you is Dean Smith I don’t see the point in arguing about the starting x1
Eh?? Isn't that a bit like saying if none of us are the ref then there's no point arguing about a penalty decision?
Post by: Monty on August 19, 2021, 04:23:08 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 19, 2021, 04:33:45 PM
Ok, what else shall we talk about before the game? The weather? How you getting there? Where you watching it? Where you going for breakfast?actually where you are watching it, who you are going with, where you are having a beer before and after.
To be fair, it's quite a conundrum trying to put this team together, I find it quite interesting. For two years now our team has pretty much picked itself.
Punch up pies and programs all part of the match day experience.
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 19, 2021, 04:34:46 PM
thats more like itOk, what else shall we talk about before the game? The weather? How you getting there? Where you watching it? Where you going for breakfast?
To be fair, it's quite a conundrum trying to put this team together, I find it quite interesting. For two years now our team has pretty much picked itself.
As for the weather, it might be quite wet!
Post by: Richard E on August 19, 2021, 04:50:27 PM
Ok, what else shall we talk about before the game? The weather? How you getting there? Where you watching it? Where you going for breakfast?
To be fair, it's quite a conundrum trying to put this team together, I find it quite interesting. For two years now our team has pretty much picked itself.
As for the weather, it might be quite wet!
Who do you think you are, a meteorologist?
Post by: Tayls_7 on August 19, 2021, 04:54:13 PM
Martinez
Cash Konsa Mings Young
Luiz*
McGinn Buendia
Bailey Ings Watkins
*Until we get a proper DM.
Post by: Clampy on August 19, 2021, 05:09:56 PM
Post by: darren woolley on August 19, 2021, 05:22:30 PM
Post by: The Edge on August 19, 2021, 05:27:04 PM
Discussing the starting 11 on a football forum. Blasphemy!To be fair to Chicago he said we shouldn't be discussing the starting x1 and I agree with him. We just have to start with Emi in goals.
Post by: Mister E on August 19, 2021, 05:32:30 PM
Chicago's right. We shouldn't be arguing about this -This - whilst it looks pretty close to what I'd expect - depends on Luiz being ready for a full game. He may play Nakamba instead ...
Martinez
Cash Konsa Mings Young
Luiz*
McGinn Buendia
Bailey Ings Watkins
*Until we get a proper DM.
Post by: Pete3206 on August 19, 2021, 05:33:24 PM
1-1
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 19, 2021, 06:50:20 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 19, 2021, 06:51:33 PM
We will smash this lot. 3-0 dominating display. Everyone happy. Ings, Ollie and Bailey
That’s sealed our fate…
Post by: Rigadon on August 19, 2021, 07:10:01 PM
We will smash this lot. 3-0 dominating display. Everyone happy. Ings, Ollie and Bailey
I do hope you're right, but I can't see us smashing many teams unless we play with some kind of pre-practiced formation and with some better players than we currently have.
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 19, 2021, 07:20:09 PM
We will smash this lot. 3-0 dominating display. Everyone happy. Ings, Ollie and Baileysame as last week then
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 19, 2021, 07:29:48 PM
Martinez
Cash Konsa Mings Young
Marvelous
McGinn Dougie
Buendia Bailey
Watkins
I'm assuming Targett is injured; Watkins will want to play centre forward (as he wants to get in the England squad) and left footed Bailey can play comfortably on the left side. Ings can come on to replace hattrick Ollie on 70 minutes.
4-0 Villa (Ollie 3, Ings).
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 19, 2021, 07:33:42 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 19, 2021, 07:37:00 PM
Post by: Chris Smith on August 19, 2021, 08:08:09 PM
He played like he was, I just assumed he was injured.
He’d been injured and missed preseason, hopefully that’s all it was.
Post by: Damo70 on August 19, 2021, 08:33:14 PM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 19, 2021, 10:02:11 PM
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 19, 2021, 10:16:24 PM
Here's a thought, let's play everybody in their best positions, one defensive midfielder, two box to box midfielders, two wide men to drift in and Ollie to enjoy some great service whilst running his nuts off:
Martinez
Cash Konsa Mings Young
Marvelous
McGinn Dougie
Buendia Bailey
Watkins
I'm assuming Targett is injured; Watkins will want to play centre forward (as he wants to get in the England squad) and left footed Bailey can play comfortably on the left side. Ings can come on to replace hattrick Ollie on 70 minutes.
4-0 Villa (Ollie 3, Ings).
Rumours Ollie still out and now so is Bailey
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 19, 2021, 10:19:45 PM
Post by: Ian. on August 19, 2021, 10:19:52 PM
Post by: Ads on August 19, 2021, 10:20:47 PM
Not looking great for 3 points.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 19, 2021, 10:23:38 PM
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 19, 2021, 10:24:15 PM
Post by: Monty on August 19, 2021, 10:28:11 PM
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 19, 2021, 10:31:02 PM
What's wrong with Bailey?Rumour is a knock in training this week
Post by: Monty on August 19, 2021, 10:32:20 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 19, 2021, 10:38:24 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 19, 2021, 10:48:00 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 19, 2021, 10:48:13 PM
Post by: Drummond on August 19, 2021, 10:56:21 PM
Unless one of you is Dean Smith I don’t see the point in arguing about the starting x1
Why are you on this thread then? Are you Craig Shakespeare?
Post by: ozzjim on August 20, 2021, 12:08:14 AM
Post by: Legion on August 20, 2021, 12:19:24 AM
Unless one of you is Dean Smith I don’t see the point in arguing about the starting x1
Seriously? Wow. Do you actually understand the concept of a DISCUSSION Board
Post by: ozzjim on August 20, 2021, 12:26:21 AM
Post by: Cliftonville Villlain on August 20, 2021, 02:57:31 AM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 20, 2021, 03:28:17 AM
Martinez
Cash
Konsa
Mings
Targett
Luiz
Ramsay
McGinn
Buendia
Ings
AEG
Post by: algy on August 20, 2021, 07:16:32 AM
Here's a thought, let's play everybody in their best positions, one defensive midfielder, two box to box midfielders, two wide men to drift in and Ollie to enjoy some great service whilst running his nuts off:That's what I'd go for too.
Martinez
Cash Konsa Mings Young
Marvelous
McGinn Dougie
Buendia Bailey
Watkins
I'm assuming Targett is injured; Watkins will want to play centre forward (as he wants to get in the England squad) and left footed Bailey can play comfortably on the left side. Ings can come on to replace hattrick Ollie on 70 minutes.
4-0 Villa (Ollie 3, Ings).
Edit: Just seen Bailey & Watkins out, so maybe not!!
I guess I'd be swapping AEG -> Bailey, Ings -> Watkins.
Post by: Rigadon on August 20, 2021, 08:18:53 AM
Makes picking the team a bit easier I suppose.
Martinez
Cash
Konsa
Mings
Targett
Luiz
Ramsay
McGinn
Buendia
Ings
AEG
I reckon that's about the best we could do. Which challenges the talk of more strength in depth tis year in my humble opinion.
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 20, 2021, 08:31:39 AM
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 20, 2021, 08:35:02 AM
Post by: WarszaVillan on August 20, 2021, 08:44:00 AM
Post by: Villafirst on August 20, 2021, 08:46:05 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on August 20, 2021, 08:47:34 AM
Christ, that's awful luck if true. 3 good fixtures at the start of the season, would be a shame if our disjointed pre-season and injuries kybosh them.
Rumours Ollie still out and now so is Bailey
Post by: chrisw1 on August 20, 2021, 08:51:41 AM
Makes picking the team a bit easier I suppose.Yep, or possibly JPB on the right and Buendia at 10, but I'd probably go with the above. Ramsey probably deserves a start after his performance at Watford.
Martinez
Cash
Konsa
Mings
Targett
Luiz
Ramsay
McGinn
Buendia
Ings
AEG
Post by: Villafirst on August 20, 2021, 09:00:21 AM
Post by: Richard E on August 20, 2021, 09:01:40 AM
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 20, 2021, 09:07:43 AM
Post by: Beard82 on August 20, 2021, 09:10:01 AM
I can certainly see it - we finished 11th and the first team looks weaker - although a bit more depth in the squad. Plus the assistant managers leaving.
For me the issue is there is all this talk of us becoming an elite club has set a lot of people’s expectations very high - and a year of no progress risks us losing other key players - is this one of those other times in our recent history where we have reached our ceiling.
It worries me that Dean will end up paying for this with his job - and maybe some other people.
We have clearly come a bit unstuck - I don’t think we were expecting Joe to go - and we’re building around him and I think they are not sure how to do a plan b - bring in too many players and risk time gelling. I think also they have found it more difficult to secure targets than expected.
I think we’ll still bring in 1 more player - but not sure if it will be one that blows peoples socks off.
Maybe the board are seeing this year as another of stability while they reassess now plan a is gone
Post by: Neil Hawkes on August 20, 2021, 09:17:07 AM
So erm.. What is the formation without Bailey, Bertie and Ollie then?Play Carney Chukwuemeka
Post by: Villafirst on August 20, 2021, 09:18:25 AM
There certainly seems to be a growing anxiety among certain fans that things aren’t going to plan.
I can certainly see it - we finished 11th and the first team looks weaker - although a bit more depth in the squad. Plus the assistant managers leaving.
For me the issue is there is all this talk of us becoming an elite club has set a lot of people’s expectations very high - and a year of no progress risks us losing other key players - is this one of those other times in our recent history where we have reached our ceiling.
It worries me that Dean will end up paying for this with his job - and maybe some other people.
We have clearly come a bit unstuck - I don’t think we were expecting Joe to go - and we’re building around him and I think they are not sure how to do a plan b - bring in too many players and risk time gelling. I think also they have found it more difficult to secure targets than expected.
I think we’ll still bring in 1 more player - but not sure if it will be one that blows peoples socks off.
Maybe the board are seeing this year as another of stability while they reassess now plan a is gone
It'd be useful if the players could stay fit! Such a poor pre-season for preparation.
Post by: sickbeggar on August 20, 2021, 09:21:05 AM
Post by: mj on August 20, 2021, 09:21:58 AM
Edit: Bailey out?? What on earth do we do to our players at BH? Buendia to be brilliant in his place.
Please.
Post by: Mister E on August 20, 2021, 09:22:15 AM
So erm.. What is the formation without Bailey, Bertie and Ollie then?Bidace and Buendia supporting Ings; Ramsey-Luiz-McGinn behind them.
As VillaFirst says above, the pre-season has been a nightmare both because of players coming back at different times and the poor friendlies outcomes.
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 20, 2021, 09:22:29 AM
Post by: itbrvilla on August 20, 2021, 09:27:38 AM
There certainly seems to be a growing anxiety among certain fans that things aren’t going to plan.
I can certainly see it - we finished 11th and the first team looks weaker - although a bit more depth in the squad. Plus the assistant managers leaving.
For me the issue is there is all this talk of us becoming an elite club has set a lot of people’s expectations very high - and a year of no progress risks us losing other key players - is this one of those other times in our recent history where we have reached our ceiling.
It worries me that Dean will end up paying for this with his job - and maybe some other people.
We have clearly come a bit unstuck - I don’t think we were expecting Joe to go - and we’re building around him and I think they are not sure how to do a plan b - bring in too many players and risk time gelling. I think also they have found it more difficult to secure targets than expected.
I think we’ll still bring in 1 more player - but not sure if it will be one that blows peoples socks off.
Maybe the board are seeing this year as another of stability while they reassess now plan a is gone
Nice summary. I bet the target before this was 7 and above for this season. I can't see that happening.
Post by: Villan82 on August 20, 2021, 09:29:54 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 20, 2021, 09:31:22 AM
There certainly seems to be a growing anxiety among certain fans that things aren’t going to plan.Spot on
I can certainly see it - we finished 11th and the first team looks weaker - although a bit more depth in the squad. Plus the assistant managers leaving.
For me the issue is there is all this talk of us becoming an elite club has set a lot of people’s expectations very high - and a year of no progress risks us losing other key players - is this one of those other times in our recent history where we have reached our ceiling.
It worries me that Dean will end up paying for this with his job - and maybe some other people.
We have clearly come a bit unstuck - I don’t think we were expecting Joe to go - and we’re building around him and I think they are not sure how to do a plan b - bring in too many players and risk time gelling. I think also they have found it more difficult to secure targets than expected.
I think we’ll still bring in 1 more player - but not sure if it will be one that blows peoples socks off.
Maybe the board are seeing this year as another of stability while they reassess now plan a is gone
It's been a lot of spin by Purslow along.
No way would we be selling Grealish if our ambitions are so high
And having one of own at the helm Dean Smith to appease us all.
What was the exact plan outside of those Grealish replacements in this window ?
Unfortunately I can see if things went wrong by November Lampard will be in
The talk of we're 18 months behind were Grealish wanted
I think Dean is the right man but now we need more time to integrate this team
Post by: sickbeggar on August 20, 2021, 09:33:39 AM
Post by: ozzjim on August 20, 2021, 09:35:04 AM
Post by: Drummond on August 20, 2021, 09:43:41 AM
I think the Grealish saga did not help. The camp should have been focused on Watford instead of the circus that surrounded the twat leaving.
Thanks Dean. Now get it sorted for a win tomorrow please.
Post by: Richard E on August 20, 2021, 09:45:47 AM
So erm.. What is the formation without Bailey, Bertie and Ollie then?
Emi in goal and then ten of us off here selected at random.
Post by: chrisw1 on August 20, 2021, 09:49:00 AM
If Jack had sorted his move earlier we would be in better shape now.The club knew he was probably going for a few weeks before he moved. This isn't down to Grealish, it's down a poor pre-season (bad luck with some injuries and games being called off) and probably missing out on some targets. As good a player as he is, Ings was clearly a rushed panic buy to appease fans because Jack was moving.
We've known that we were going to have another £100m to play with for a good while now. We just haven''t played with it.
Post by: Drummond on August 20, 2021, 09:49:06 AM
So erm.. What is the formation without Bailey, Bertie and Ollie then?
Emi in goal and then ten of us off here selected at random.
I can pass. I'm just not very mobile.
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 20, 2021, 09:50:04 AM
Cheers Torvill.I think the Grealish saga did not help. The camp should have been focused on Watford instead of the circus that surrounded the twat leaving.
Thanks Dean. Now get it sorted for a win tomorrow please.
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 20, 2021, 09:53:06 AM
Lampard? hehHim or Eddie Howe if we're in bottom 3 come November
Worst case scenario.
With all the international players away and team not integrates.
I don't want that I want top 6 /8 November and healthy position
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 20, 2021, 09:54:18 AM
Graham PotterLampard? hehHim or Eddie Howe if we're in bottom 3 come November
Post by: Monty on August 20, 2021, 09:54:59 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 20, 2021, 09:56:02 AM
Graham PotterLampard? hehHim or Eddie Howe if we're in bottom 3 come November
Actually yes. Potter and I sure he wouldn't resist!
Would fit well.
I prefer Smith but yes Potter would do well
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 20, 2021, 10:02:58 AM
Villa in mid-season crisis is the absolute last place for Frank Lampard.He wouldn't get much bigger than Villa .
All said and done Smith proved he can keep us up. So I would stick with him all season whatever happens.
It's only been one game but we know how quickly things change in football.
I read more than one occasions on here before this season started it's a make it break season for Smith. I didn't agree with that at the time upon reading but with the expectations and a disappointing loss first match starting to think a little more about that
Still early though
Post by: ozzjim on August 20, 2021, 10:04:03 AM
So erm.. What is the formation without Bailey, Bertie and Ollie then?
Emi in goal and then ten of us off here selected at random.
My calf with go about 15 minutes in but I'm good for a couple of goals before it does.
Post by: The Fish on August 20, 2021, 10:07:52 AM
If Willock's fit to start, we'll be ok. If not, we'll play like we did against West Ham; surrendering the centre of the park, aiming to hit our attackers with long balls.
I've no real excitement for the season, to tell the truth. Ashley is still here, Bruce is still here, no signings beyond a lad we had on loan last season.
But at least we've got an exciting attacking unit and a couple of decent 'keepers. Should be enough to keep us out of the relegation spots. Yay, I guess.
Ast 2-1 New, I reckon
Post by: Dave P on August 20, 2021, 10:36:46 AM
Post by: devilla on August 20, 2021, 10:43:11 AM
I think I might need to change my prediction.
Anyway, it's going to be amazing to be back with a full ground for the first time in ages. Bring it on.
Post by: sickbeggar on August 20, 2021, 10:49:22 AM
Bruce will set us up for the counter.
If Willock's fit to start, we'll be ok. If not, we'll play like we did against West Ham; surrendering the centre of the park, aiming to hit our attackers with long balls.
I've no real excitement for the season, to tell the truth. Ashley is still here, Bruce is still here, no signings beyond a lad we had on loan last season.
But at least we've got an exciting attacking unit and a couple of decent 'keepers. Should be enough to keep us out of the relegation spots. Yay, I guess.
Ast 2-1 New, I reckon
hah I hope he does surrender the centre. Judging from our last game we'd already withdrawn our forces before kick-off.
Post by: Ian. on August 20, 2021, 10:51:53 AM
Post by: eamonn on August 20, 2021, 10:55:28 AM
- Yeah, no...er, well, yeah...kinda
Post by: chrisw1 on August 20, 2021, 10:59:39 AM
Cash Konsa Mings Targett
Luiz
Mcginn Ramsey
Bundia Ings Bailey
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 20, 2021, 11:07:36 AM
No Watkins. If Bailey is fit then hopefully it will be:
Cash Konsa Mings Targett
Luiz
Mcginn Ramsey
Bundia Ings Bailey
I think until we get in a proper DM Dean won't risk just playing Luiz there and more likely double up with SJM with Ramsey playing behind the strikers. Either way, at least on paper, it's still a bloody good team.
Post by: devilla on August 20, 2021, 11:08:38 AM
No Watkins. If Bailey is fit then hopefully it will be:
Cash Konsa Mings Targett
Luiz
Mcginn Ramsey
Bundia Ings Bailey
I'd play a keeper as well though. Sorry, couldn't resist it.
Post by: chrisw1 on August 20, 2021, 11:13:26 AM
Agree, I was thinking a fairly interchangable flatish 3, but would just expect McGinn and Ramsey to be a bit more advanced.No Watkins. If Bailey is fit then hopefully it will be:
Cash Konsa Mings Targett
Luiz
Mcginn Ramsey
Bundia Ings Bailey
I think until we get in a proper DM Dean won't risk just playing Luiz there and more likely double up with SJM with Ramsey playing behind the strikers. Either way, at least on paper, it's still a bloody good team.
Post by: ozzjim on August 20, 2021, 11:16:52 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on August 20, 2021, 11:23:03 AM
If we start tomorrow with the same side that played last week I think we'll get turned over.Yep. Good chance.
Post by: not3bad on August 20, 2021, 11:49:10 AM
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 20, 2021, 11:52:12 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 20, 2021, 11:53:02 AM
Is Willock likely to play? I assume so as opposition "doubtful"=will play and probably score whereas Villa "doubtful"=out for at least a month.Good player.
Post by: chrisw1 on August 20, 2021, 11:54:07 AM
Post by: Mister E on August 20, 2021, 12:29:39 PM
Yes, agree with your thinking here.Agree, I was thinking a fairly interchangable flatish 3, but would just expect McGinn and Ramsey to be a bit more advanced.No Watkins. If Bailey is fit then hopefully it will be:
Cash Konsa Mings Targett
Luiz
Mcginn Ramsey
Bundia Ings Bailey
I think until we get in a proper DM Dean won't risk just playing Luiz there and more likely double up with SJM with Ramsey playing behind the strikers. Either way, at least on paper, it's still a bloody good team.
Post by: Mister E on August 20, 2021, 12:32:07 PM
Lampard? hehFor goodness sake! we need to be forward-thinking; not go to a guy who wasn't very good at Derby and couldn't make all of Chelsea's talent work for him.
If - a big if - Smithers were to go, I'd expect Shakey to take over as interim and for someone like Potter to be recruited on a permanent basis.
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 20, 2021, 12:33:13 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 20, 2021, 12:35:11 PM
Lampard? hehFor goodness sake! we need to be forward-thinking; not go to a guy who wasn't very good at Derby and couldn't make all of Chelsea's talent work for him.
If - a big if - Smithers were to go, I'd expect Shakey to take over as interim and for someone like Potter to be recruited on a permanent basis.
bloody hell this is escalating quickly 😳
Post by: Villafirst on August 20, 2021, 12:38:48 PM
Post by: Skerra on August 20, 2021, 12:52:27 PM
Expected return dates for our injured players…between Xmas and the end of the season, the usual Villa way.
Post by: Clampy on August 20, 2021, 01:22:18 PM
Read that DS said Luiz will be “managed” as he’s only had a couple of training sessions with us. Looks like the only Brazilian player that came back from the olympics that can’t play just yet.
Expected return dates for our injured players…between Xmas and the end of the season, the usual Villa way.
To be fair, he's not had much of a break at all and we've got a whole season ahead of us. It might be a wise thing to do, we don't want to knacker him out.
Post by: Demitri_C on August 20, 2021, 01:26:59 PM
Ings mcginn buendia and possibly bailey is still very strong
I think ramsey will come in with mcginn and nakamba
Post by: chrisw1 on August 20, 2021, 01:32:11 PM
And also Traore had only had a couple of sessions and got himself injured, so I get it from that point of view. With that said, I think Luiz should be ready, he only had a couple of weeks off and should be fit enough to start surely?Read that DS said Luiz will be “managed” as he’s only had a couple of training sessions with us. Looks like the only Brazilian player that came back from the olympics that can’t play just yet.
Expected return dates for our injured players…between Xmas and the end of the season, the usual Villa way.
To be fair, he's not had much of a break at all and we've got a whole season ahead of us. It might be a wise thing to do, we don't want to knacker him out.
Post by: wince on August 20, 2021, 01:51:42 PM
Unless one of you is Dean Smith I don’t see the point in arguing about the starting x1
I agree although I love how we all go into armchair manager mode. Some of you must have been panzer generals in a former life!
Post by: Villafirst on August 20, 2021, 01:53:02 PM
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 20, 2021, 02:09:39 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 20, 2021, 02:11:23 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 20, 2021, 02:15:52 PM
https://twitter.com/VaiBhardwaj/status/1428650694924439553?s=19
Post by: Ian. on August 20, 2021, 02:20:32 PM
Post by: villadelph on August 20, 2021, 02:21:45 PM
Post by: London Villan on August 20, 2021, 02:39:10 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on August 20, 2021, 02:41:04 PM
I'd prefer Bailey to start, but if it's AEG then so be it. We're only playing Newcastle FFS.
Post by: Risso on August 20, 2021, 02:46:46 PM
After that press conference, I’ll admit I’m a little concerned about tomorrow.
All quite downbeat I thought. Almost certainly no more players coming in, lots about the existing squad being "undercooked" and Bailey to start on the bench again. I reckon he'll start with the same team as last week, with the possible exception of Ramsey in for Nakamba, but with Young and El Ghazi out wide still.
Post by: eamonn on August 20, 2021, 02:47:29 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on August 20, 2021, 02:49:49 PM
Christ. Thanks God it's only Newcastle, we could still get away with it.After that press conference, I’ll admit I’m a little concerned about tomorrow.
All quite downbeat I thought. Almost certainly no more players coming in, lots about the existing squad being "undercooked" and Bailey to start on the bench again. I reckon he'll start with the same team as last week, with the possible exception of Ramsey in for Nakamba, but with Young and El Ghazi out wide still.
Post by: Villatillidie25 on August 20, 2021, 02:50:09 PM
Martinez
Cash Konsa Mings Targett/Young
Luiz/Nakamba
Mcginn Sanson/Ramsey
Buendia Bailey/AEG
Ings
Post by: London Villan on August 20, 2021, 02:54:24 PM
Post by: Ian. on August 20, 2021, 02:59:47 PM
No proper preseason hasn’t really helped us at all and that opening 45 minutes was a real reality check that we’ve got a lot to do. A win will do us so much.
Post by: Stu on August 20, 2021, 03:09:46 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on August 20, 2021, 03:12:26 PM
Wish Grealish had fucked off before the euros, the little c*ntHonestly don't think it would have made any difference. Infact, may have made it harder to get Buendia in.
We've known for plenty long enough that he was likely to go.
Post by: Ian. on August 20, 2021, 03:13:20 PM
Wish Grealish had fucked off before the euros, the little c*ntMe too. We could have got into a better mindset far earlier and not had that circus end of July early August.
To think I was pissed off because Southgate wouldn’t play him too. I’m sure I’d have enjoyed the tournament more if he was no longer one of us.
Post by: Demitri_C on August 20, 2021, 03:34:45 PM
Post by: ez on August 20, 2021, 04:05:20 PM
Post by: wolfman999 on August 20, 2021, 04:07:45 PM
Post by: oishiiniku on August 20, 2021, 04:09:07 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 20, 2021, 04:09:39 PM
Post by: Skerra on August 20, 2021, 04:10:58 PM
Post by: Ian. on August 20, 2021, 04:11:10 PM
'Undercooked'.wtf does it even mean. What he's saying is that several, well paid professional players are unfit at the begining of the new season which is totally unacceptable.
I’d say lacking in match fitness. Targett and Traore had ops in the summer so expected. Bailey was nursing an injury when we signed him and the fit players had only two preseason matches.
I certainly get it.
Post by: Clampy on August 20, 2021, 04:57:06 PM
Undercooked is pathetic and unprofessional. Anyone under cooked needs to be fined.
Or fried.
Post by: wittonwarrior on August 20, 2021, 05:08:07 PM
Post by: john e on August 20, 2021, 05:08:44 PM
Mind you I said that last week
1-0 to the Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 20, 2021, 05:24:25 PM
Post by: stubbsyandy on August 20, 2021, 05:40:18 PM
Exactly thisWish Grealish had fucked off before the euros, the little c*ntMe too. We could have got into a better mindset far earlier and not had that circus end of July early August.
To think I was pissed off because Southgate wouldn’t play him too. I’m sure I’d have enjoyed the tournament more if he was no longer one of us.
Post by: Skerra on August 20, 2021, 05:46:57 PM
When DS said Ollie may be fit for the Brentford match, I’m assuming he means the away game with them as looking like another Villa mystery injury?
Post by: brontebilly on August 20, 2021, 07:39:53 PM
------------Martinez
----Konsa, Tuanzebe, Mings
Guilbert, Luiz, Ramsey, Young
--------McGinn, Ings, Buendia
Give McGinn and Buendia a bit more freedom to attack the likes of Clark one on one. Appreciate there is more chance of Sasa Curcic playing ahead of Guilbert under Smith...but Cash can't continue to be an automatic first pick if his poor form continues. Have a horrible feeling Smith will fudge it and put Konsa or Tuanzebe in there instead.
Post by: not3bad on August 20, 2021, 08:02:54 PM
Rather play JPB than AEG after last weeks pathetic performance from him
I'd like to see JPB get a go.
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 20, 2021, 08:38:10 PM
Dosen't say much for this season if we can't beat them with all of Buendia, Bailey, Ings, McGinn all available.
Yes key battle will likely be Saint Maximn v Young but hopefully we'll have some sort of plan for that.
Not win this and it's going to be a pretty difficult few months up to December I think. Win well and that will settle everyone down.
That's the danger with fawning over one player sometimes and thinking he's the centre of the universe as now the mindset is we can't do anything or win any games even though we have some very good players still at the club. Far too early for that sort of mentality to creep in but we obviously need 3 points soon otherwise it will be a justifiable opinion.
Post by: SaddVillan on August 20, 2021, 08:50:20 PM
If this fues happen then let's hope common sense prevails and West Mids finest liase with the ref to get KO put back.
Vital they keep fans inside and outside VP informed about what's going on. We don't want the first day back to be marred by anything untoward.
Post by: PeterWithe on August 20, 2021, 08:54:36 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 20, 2021, 09:01:01 PM
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on August 20, 2021, 09:18:03 PM
Highly likely that despite plenty of warnings/requests from the club to arrive early to give time for COVID entry precautions to be completed there will be a good number of fans outside VP at 3pm trying to get in. Walsall Rd is a building site and Sod's Law says there'll be a problem on the motorway network - particularly with the crap weather forecast.
If this fues happen then let's hope common sense prevails and West Mids finest liase with the ref to get KO put back.
Vital they keep fans inside and outside VP informed about what's going on. We don't want the first day back to be marred by anything untoward.
What are the Covid entry precautions ? Is there anything we need to do ahead of time?
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 20, 2021, 09:20:58 PM
Is the dreaded three at the back worth considering here given injuries?
I just can't decide.
Post by: Chris Smith on August 20, 2021, 09:27:25 PM
Is the dreaded three at the back worth considering here given injuries? Like we saw in the championship, Tuanzebe is more than capable of creating an extra man in midfield with the ball.
------------Martinez
----Konsa, Tuanzebe, Mings
Guilbert, Luiz, Ramsey, Young
--------McGinn, Ings, Buendia
Give McGinn and Buendia a bit more freedom to attack the likes of Clark one on one. Appreciate there is more chance of Sasa Curcic playing ahead of Guilbert under Smith...but Cash can't continue to be an automatic first pick if his poor form continues. Have a horrible feeling Smith will fudge it and put Konsa or Tuanzebe in there instead.
We’re playing Steve Bruce’s Newcastle not PSG. That’s not to be complacent but we know that they’re likely to sit and try to hit us on the break so no need for us to be too negative.
Post by: Stu on August 20, 2021, 09:27:32 PM
Wish Grealish had fucked off before the euros, the little c*ntHonestly don't think it would have made any difference. Infact, may have made it harder to get Buendia in.
We've known for plenty long enough that he was likely to go.
Wonder how Buendia feels about how that worked out.
Post by: exigo on August 20, 2021, 09:33:46 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 20, 2021, 09:35:16 PM
Post by: exigo on August 20, 2021, 09:44:20 PM
If they can sleep through Steve Bruce's snoring, a fire alarm won't be any problem.
Yeah, we did say that they'll probably sleep soundly after Bruce has given them a session on tactics.
Post by: exigo on August 20, 2021, 09:45:33 PM
Post by: Ian. on August 20, 2021, 09:46:00 PM
Quite, this would be like a Brucie v McCleish game of chess. Can’t wait!Is the dreaded three at the back worth considering here given injuries? Like we saw in the championship, Tuanzebe is more than capable of creating an extra man in midfield with the ball.
------------Martinez
----Konsa, Tuanzebe, Mings
Guilbert, Luiz, Ramsey, Young
--------McGinn, Ings, Buendia
Give McGinn and Buendia a bit more freedom to attack the likes of Clark one on one. Appreciate there is more chance of Sasa Curcic playing ahead of Guilbert under Smith...but Cash can't continue to be an automatic first pick if his poor form continues. Have a horrible feeling Smith will fudge it and put Konsa or Tuanzebe in there instead.
We’re playing Steve Bruce’s Newcastle not PSG. That’s not to be complacent but we know that they’re likely to sit and try to hit us on the break so no need for us to be too negative.
Post by: not3bad on August 20, 2021, 09:57:01 PM
Post by: Ad@m on August 20, 2021, 11:35:06 PM
I think that says more about them than us though...
Post by: eamonn on August 21, 2021, 12:49:28 AM
Post by: Demitri_C on August 21, 2021, 08:09:12 AM
Important we win this one. Coming out of games against Watford and Newcastle without a win would be a really bad start. It’s especially important we start getting positive results quickly otherwise belief in the post Grealish era will quickly evaporate.
Its going ti be a tough season if we cant beat newcastle at home playing catchup all year esp with with chelsea and united coming up.
Post by: CT on August 21, 2021, 08:24:09 AM
Ok, what else shall we talk about before the game? The weather? How you getting there? Where you watching it? Where you going for breakfast?
To be fair, it's quite a conundrum trying to put this team together, I find it quite interesting. For two years now our team has pretty much picked itself.
As for the weather, it might be quite wet!
Who do you think you are, a meteorologist?
Told you it would rain today! My meteorological training took over 90 seconds to make that guess.
Post by: Big Ming on August 21, 2021, 08:47:19 AM
He has the right skill set and has played there before it seems.
Post by: Clampy on August 21, 2021, 09:27:33 AM
Other than that, I'd like to see him give Chucky a go. As for the score, 2-2. Ings with both ours.
Post by: Ian. on August 21, 2021, 09:31:36 AM
Ok, what else shall we talk about before the game? The weather? How you getting there? Where you watching it? Where you going for breakfast?
To be fair, it's quite a conundrum trying to put this team together, I find it quite interesting. For two years now our team has pretty much picked itself.
As for the weather, it might be quite wet!
Who do you think you are, a meteorologist?
Told you it would rain today! My meteorological training took over 90 seconds to make that guess.
When will it stop raining? I want to walk the dogs!
Post by: dorsetvillian on August 21, 2021, 09:32:49 AM
Post by: spartacuss on August 21, 2021, 09:45:16 AM
Anyone more familiar with the system know how to bring up today's match on the digital account or is it too late for this match?
Post by: Ads on August 21, 2021, 09:50:19 AM
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on August 21, 2021, 09:59:55 AM
Can't wait to get going though!
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 21, 2021, 10:01:41 AM
Post by: Chris Smith on August 21, 2021, 10:34:06 AM
Ok, what else shall we talk about before the game? The weather? How you getting there? Where you watching it? Where you going for breakfast?
To be fair, it's quite a conundrum trying to put this team together, I find it quite interesting. For two years now our team has pretty much picked itself.
As for the weather, it might be quite wet!
Who do you think you are, a meteorologist?
Told you it would rain today! My meteorological training took over 90 seconds to make that guess.
When will it stop raining? I want to walk the dogs!
Monday.
Post by: olaftab on August 21, 2021, 11:18:21 AM
A draw wouldn't surprise me.A surprise wouldn't draw me.
Post by: Clampy on August 21, 2021, 11:22:36 AM
Ok, what else shall we talk about before the game? The weather? How you getting there? Where you watching it? Where you going for breakfast?
To be fair, it's quite a conundrum trying to put this team together, I find it quite interesting. For two years now our team has pretty much picked itself.
As for the weather, it might be quite wet!
Who do you think you are, a meteorologist?
Told you it would rain today! My meteorological training took over 90 seconds to make that guess.
When will it stop raining? I want to walk the dogs!
Monday.
You didn't specify which Monday.
Post by: wince on August 21, 2021, 12:09:26 PM
Post by: eamonn on August 21, 2021, 01:02:14 PM
Steve Bruce weather, today.
You mean it's one of those 'orrible ones ?
Post by: eamonn on August 21, 2021, 01:03:41 PM
Can't make today's match and I've tried to re-sell my seat (on my season ticket Villa digital account), but the the only match showing for re-sale is for next week's Brentford match (which I can make).
Anyone more familiar with the system know how to bring up today's match on the digital account or is it too late for this match?
I'm sure someone on here would gladly buy it from you. Maybe post on the Tickets forum and meet at the Villa Lesiure Centre with a claret carnation in your lapel.
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 21, 2021, 01:08:25 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 21, 2021, 01:10:02 PM
Woke up confident that we will smash them.I did too....
let's see what the team sheet brings
Post by: Demitri_C on August 21, 2021, 01:17:56 PM
Its been a while
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on August 21, 2021, 01:30:35 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 21, 2021, 01:31:35 PM
Steve Bruce weather, today.
It's going to be a real horrible one isn't it to use one of his many post match tedious match analogies. Edit: Feck off Eamonn. (wink).
Really could do with goal in opening 20 minutes. Then Newcastle will open up a bit, Holte end will give more confident back and hopefully we'll just look a better team.
Luiz at the ground so he's starting I reckon. Wouldn't shock me if Hourihane is involved at some stage aswell as Newcastle actually one of the prem teams he looks decent again with their non pressing. And we'd at least get some decent set pieces.
Post by: Big Ming on August 21, 2021, 01:50:14 PM
Important that we get a result too kick start our campaign after a shambolic pre-season.
Post by: Nev on August 21, 2021, 01:52:33 PM
First train for 18months.First pint in town for 18months. First uber to ground for 18 months.First 3 points of the season please Villa.Ahem. We don't drink in Town.
All the Villa drinking in Town are not drinking in Town. Like me. I'm not here.
In Town.
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 21, 2021, 01:56:19 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on August 21, 2021, 01:56:32 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 21, 2021, 02:00:53 PM
Post by: Rudy65 on August 21, 2021, 02:01:07 PM
Some rumours going around baileys not in the squad !! Ffs
Correct
Post by: Demitri_C on August 21, 2021, 02:01:41 PM
How the hell we getting so many bloody injuries already?
Post by: Demitri_C on August 21, 2021, 02:03:21 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 21, 2021, 02:03:37 PM
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on August 21, 2021, 02:09:27 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 21, 2021, 02:10:35 PM
Post by: Damo70 on August 21, 2021, 03:07:21 PM