Post by: Toronto Villa on January 01, 2021, 10:08:03 PM
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on January 01, 2021, 10:09:31 PM
Post by: SaddVillan on January 01, 2021, 10:09:34 PM
22 fouls against 10,
4 bookings against 0 and it should have been many more.
10 corners, but nothing to show from them - one aspect of our game that we need to improve.
Beaten by a scabby refereeing decision.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 01, 2021, 10:09:36 PM
Post by: LukeJames on January 01, 2021, 10:09:43 PM
This season they get a penalty for fouling themselves.
Improvement from the Referees.
Post by: wolfman999 on January 01, 2021, 10:10:34 PM
Post by: Deano's Mullet on January 01, 2021, 10:10:41 PM
Post by: bilsim on January 01, 2021, 10:10:46 PM
Post by: CT on January 01, 2021, 10:12:32 PM
I absolutely fucking detest that club and all the corrupt help they get from officials.
Doesn’t change the fact our record against them is horrific.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 01, 2021, 10:13:12 PM
Post by: ROBBO on January 01, 2021, 10:13:28 PM
Post by: mrfuse on January 01, 2021, 10:13:39 PM
Post by: Nunkin1965 on January 01, 2021, 10:14:14 PM
Post by: Exeter 77 on January 01, 2021, 10:14:20 PM
Post by: Legion on January 01, 2021, 10:14:41 PM
Proud of the performance. Best I've seen United play all season and we still took them to the brink. This team is one to be very excited about and but for an incredibly soft penalty decision we'd be looking at a different result.
Agreed.
Post by: steamer on January 01, 2021, 10:14:50 PM
Fuck the Fuckers.
Post by: Bermuda Villa on January 01, 2021, 10:14:56 PM
Another good performance and it shows we are on the right trajectory.
UTV
Post by: FrankyH on January 01, 2021, 10:15:33 PM
Post by: dorsetvillian on January 01, 2021, 10:15:39 PM
Post by: LukeJames on January 01, 2021, 10:15:46 PM
Also i'd have Cash on all set piece deliveries from now on.
Post by: ktvillan on January 01, 2021, 10:15:56 PM
Oliver let us down by failing to card several of their players sooner for persistent fouling to break up play.
We need to convert more of our chances - not sure Ollie is the prolific scorer we need at this level.
Probably Pogba's best game for them for ages, but thought Fernandes wasn't up to much until the pen. Rashford gets himself offside an awful lot.
Post by: supertom on January 01, 2021, 10:16:34 PM
We were unlucky. Everyone put in a shift again. Cash was excellent and did well considering Traore switched off a few times at the back and left him isolated. His delivery was great. Grealish looked great too. Watkins put in a shift but just seemed to lack confidence in the box. Hopefully the drought isn't starting to needle him because he's doing well aside. He should have buried a header in the second half.
Martinez once again, superb.
What I love about the side is the way we break with pace and purpose and we're often incisive now (occasionally we're perhaps over confident, Dougy backheeling just outside his own penalty area for example, and Traore a couple of times when inside his own half was pushing his luck). We looked a match for Utd for most of the game. A draw would have been a fair result I think.
Post by: Sdwbvf on January 01, 2021, 10:16:40 PM
Post by: Nev on January 01, 2021, 10:16:53 PM
Fuck them and their horrible club, and next time you hear a jocular reference to ""Fergie time", remember tonight.
It's fuckin' naked cheating.
Post by: not3bad on January 01, 2021, 10:17:53 PM
Post by: Drummond on January 01, 2021, 10:18:32 PM
We're a good side but some of the players need a breather.
Post by: Malandro on January 01, 2021, 10:18:50 PM
Post by: robbo1874 on January 01, 2021, 10:19:20 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 01, 2021, 10:19:50 PM
Post by: supertom on January 01, 2021, 10:20:15 PM
We played well, on another day we could have been the winners.Watkins I think in particular needs a break. Much as I'd like to go for an FA Cup run, we've got to be looking at rotating 2-3 in the next game. I undoubtedly think Liverpool will too.
We're a good side but some of the players need a breather.
Post by: Nev on January 01, 2021, 10:20:38 PM
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on January 01, 2021, 10:21:06 PM
Post by: Villan For Life on January 01, 2021, 10:21:26 PM
There are areas we can improve on, I thought at times they were much more incisive with possession than we were but we matched them for large parts of that match.
Our performance meant that they became niggly and there were a lot of “professional“ fouls but all in all we had them rattled.
Post by: Nunkin1965 on January 01, 2021, 10:21:35 PM
Post by: Des Little on January 01, 2021, 10:21:55 PM
Post by: SamTheMouse on January 01, 2021, 10:21:56 PM
Anyway, fuck the result. I'm treating it as a draw. Our performance deserved at least a point, it was much the same as at Chelsea. Two well-matched teams.
Based on everything I've seen so far this season, Smith has quietly turned us into a top-six side.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 01, 2021, 10:22:08 PM
Last season they got a penalty for fouling Konsa.
This season they get a penalty for fouling themselves.
Improvement from the Referees.
Did you hear Darren Bent ...”you can see Pogba clips Dougs leg, there’s contact, so it’s a penalty “ hmmmm?
Post by: john2710 on January 01, 2021, 10:23:23 PM
Well we can knock that theory on the head.
The referee's are only too happy to oblige.
By the way, did you kbow Utd are now level with Liverpool at the top.
Post by: Rigadon on January 01, 2021, 10:23:39 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on January 01, 2021, 10:24:01 PM
Post by: olaftab on January 01, 2021, 10:24:11 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 01, 2021, 10:24:23 PM
OGS saying we’re physical, with them getting a full house on the bookings tonight. Twat.
Yeah Matic and Shaw aren’t physical are they Ole you bell end.
Post by: Aldridge Villa on January 01, 2021, 10:24:42 PM
Post by: Ian. on January 01, 2021, 10:24:54 PM
At one point we should have just scored with a sitter, they go down the other end and have a chance and we’re hanging on. Twats.
We played well and we showed great determination and played some lovely football. Feel hard done by.
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 01, 2021, 10:25:36 PM
Post by: colin69 on January 01, 2021, 10:28:46 PM
The future certainly does look bright.
Post by: mrfuse on January 01, 2021, 10:29:45 PM
And I thought it was a penalty.
I think your the only one.
Post by: Matt C on January 01, 2021, 10:30:11 PM
Post by: exigo on January 01, 2021, 10:30:27 PM
Post by: RichardBatchelor on January 01, 2021, 10:31:04 PM
Don't like hard luck stories especially against these fuckers. I'd rather we had won by 2 very lucky deflected shots.
It’s not a hard luck story though - that’s when you’re the better side and lose, which can happen and why footy is such a great game. No, this is being cheated, and it’s happened against these at least a dozen times in 25 years at a conservative estimate, and I for one am sick of it. It’s like a 36 game season.
Post by: PhilVill on January 01, 2021, 10:31:31 PM
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on January 01, 2021, 10:31:43 PM
I hate United and all their fans. But I thought it was a penalty. A soft one but it was a penalty. Fortunately with this lockdown business I don't have to see or speak to any plastics for ages. Bring on the spurs, we have it in it to beat them.You might want to look at the replays doing the rounds.He deliberately trips himself.
Also film of Pogba telling Shaw he should have dived in the box
Post by: steamer on January 01, 2021, 10:31:47 PM
Apparently we have only won there once in the last 40 years
Post by: CT on January 01, 2021, 10:33:15 PM
Don't like hard luck stories especially against these fuckers. I'd rather we had won by 2 very lucky deflected shots.
It’s not a hard luck story though - that’s when you’re the better side and lose, which can happen and why footy is such a great game. No, this is being cheated, and it’s happened against these at least a dozen times in 25 years at a conservative estimate, and I for one am sick of it. It’s like a 36 game season.
To be fair, Michael Oliver has had a stormer for them tonight.
Post by: pelty on January 01, 2021, 10:33:24 PM
2) We really need Barkley back in the team; I think/hope that will open some things up for us.
Post by: olaftab on January 01, 2021, 10:34:29 PM
Well it's up to us to change that 25 year narrative.Don't like hard luck stories especially against these fuckers. I'd rather we had won by 2 very lucky deflected shots.
It’s not a hard luck story though - that’s when you’re the better side and lose, which can happen and why footy is such a great game. No, this is being cheated, and it’s happened against these at least a dozen times in 25 years at a conservative estimate, and I for one am sick of it. It’s like a 36 game season.
Post by: Grocer on January 01, 2021, 10:34:41 PM
And I thought it was a penalty.
I think your the only one.
Definitely soft but if it was the other way round I'd be expecting a penalty
Post by: TonyD on January 01, 2021, 10:34:54 PM
Typical probably the best United and Chelsea have played all season.
We missed about 5 headers in the second half. Can’t keep doing this.
We definitely get bullied physically.
That’s ruined the new year for me now.
Post by: dave17 on January 01, 2021, 10:35:21 PM
Last season they got a penalty for fouling Konsa.
This season they get a penalty for fouling themselves.
Improvement from the Referees.
Not sure if I should laugh or cry at that
A lot of their success was down our right again. The issue of traore and cash needs to be resolved.
Post by: john e on January 01, 2021, 10:35:38 PM
simply because you feel your up against forces beyond the control of the players themselves
they are the equivalent of athletes competing against China or Russia during the state sponsored doping scandal
you can do it but all things are not equal
Post by: Rudy65 on January 01, 2021, 10:35:53 PM
Costa?
Love our mentality though. Always looking to attack. Good interview with Dean as well, he wasn’t afraid to be a bit critical of our first half performance
Onwards and upwards
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 01, 2021, 10:36:01 PM
The ref was soft on the persistent fouling but we made 2 errors that led to their goals.
We did not take our chances, we are not quite good enough.
Post by: PhilVill on January 01, 2021, 10:36:02 PM
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on January 01, 2021, 10:36:14 PM
And yet first half it was our leftLast season they got a penalty for fouling Konsa.
This season they get a penalty for fouling themselves.
Improvement from the Referees.
Not sure if I should laugh or cry at that
A lot of their success was down our right again. The issue of traore and cash needs to be resolved.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 01, 2021, 10:36:23 PM
Post by: mrfuse on January 01, 2021, 10:37:17 PM
1) Whatever Pogba did or did not do, Luiz cannot put his hands all over him in the box. Terrible play from a great player.
2) We really need Barkley back in the team; I think/hope that will open some things up for us.
I think you will find that at every corner player hands are all over each other. It doesn't mean that its an automatic penalty unless you are Man Utd.
Post by: Risso on January 01, 2021, 10:37:23 PM
Last season they got a penalty for fouling Konsa.
This season they get a penalty for fouling themselves.
Improvement from the Referees.
Not sure if I should laugh or cry at that
A lot of their success was down our right again. The issue of traore and cash needs to be resolved.
Cash is absolutely fine, but the left and right sides have to work as a team these days, and defensively Traore does absolutely knack all.
Post by: amfy on January 01, 2021, 10:37:34 PM
And I thought it was a penalty.
I think your the only one.
Definitely soft but if it was the other way round I'd be expecting a penalty
...& I’d be expecting everyone to call us diving cheats if we got it.
Post by: Grocer on January 01, 2021, 10:37:42 PM
Those penalties are allways given. Luiz got the wrong side.
The ref was soft on the persistent fouling but we made 2 errors that led to their goals.
We did not take our chances, we are not quite good enough.
Spot on
Post by: not3bad on January 01, 2021, 10:37:52 PM
Post by: OzVilla on January 01, 2021, 10:37:59 PM
Post by: Villatillidie1982 on January 01, 2021, 10:38:09 PM
The fact I’m feeling so hard done by shows just how far we’ve come in the last few months. Played very well, just need to be a bit more clinical. And how on earth was that a penalty? When it went to VAR I was actually naive enough to think it might be overruled.The penalty was harsh but not a significant error because Luiz had his hands on him. Some of those are given and some aren't.
The future certainly does look bright.
Post by: simboy on January 01, 2021, 10:38:29 PM
Post by: passport1 on January 01, 2021, 10:38:38 PM
Post by: CT Villan on January 01, 2021, 10:40:07 PM
I am consoling myself with the indisputable fact that Man Utd were not good enough to beat us on their own.
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 01, 2021, 10:40:07 PM
Top peformance from us. With their quality in counter attack it's very tough to stop them cutting through with quick combinations and they did that a few times first half while we couldn't get anything going.
We sorted it second half and were doing it ourselves. Indeed in general play there wasn't much difference at all, we were knocking it around the pitch aswell as they were.
Interesting how the game would've developed if we'd kept it to 1-1 longer. Small margins or otherwise known as yet another VAR f*** up after two quiet games. Sigh.
Lots to enjoy again. We simply must get a good international quality striker in though as Ollie was second to plenty of 50/50s near the end so think he's really feeling the pace now so resting him for cup is a sensible move I think.
Post by: Grocer on January 01, 2021, 10:40:58 PM
And I thought it was a penalty.
I think your the only one.
Definitely soft but if it was the other way round I'd be expecting a penalty
...& I’d be expecting everyone to call us diving cheats if we got it.
Yes they undoubtedly would call us that, but I'd still expect a penalty. Perhaps not a few seasons back, but definitely these days. Maybe that's the issue.
Post by: brontebilly on January 01, 2021, 10:41:53 PM
OGS saying we’re physical, with them getting a full house on the bookings tonight. Twat.
Yeah Matic and Shaw aren’t physical are they Ole you bell end.
Matic was scandalous when he came on, how many times did he foul Jack? That prick Oliver clearly has an agenda against Jack
Post by: Ads on January 01, 2021, 10:42:12 PM
33 fucking penalties those ****** have had since the start of last season. That PE teacher in charge has had 7 more penalties than any other side since he took over. How do you mark a referee and VAR when they're in the pocket of the club?
Pogba tells Shaw he should have dived. 5 minutes later, he kicks his own leg and wins a penalty.
How the fuck are they second? They are a Steve Bruce side. No identity, play like an away side even at home, horrible lumps kicking fuck out of their betters in cycles. Fred and McTominay all snidey, Matic should have walked. They hope for a moment of individual quality or more likely, a penalty. And the twats are 2nd.
We found our range 2nd half, superb delivery from Cash. Mings and Watkins should have scored, we played by far and away the better football. Desperately missing Barkley and Trez, as the squad is so small in terms of quality.
Very frustrating.
Post by: CT Villan on January 01, 2021, 10:45:03 PM
Post by: Goldie.7 on January 01, 2021, 10:45:35 PM
We need another striker in this window. I thought Watkins was the weakest link by far tonight, he needs to work on his first touch because it's very poor. He also needs a break to recharge.
Davis fluffing an excellent opportunity at the end is just another example why he'll never be a natural finisher. He might find some success in a defensive midfield role somewhere, but being a goalscorer... not a chance.
Post by: mrfuse on January 01, 2021, 10:46:54 PM
Those penalties are allways given. Luiz got the wrong side.
The ref was soft on the persistent fouling but we made 2 errors that led to their goals.
We did not take our chances, we are not quite good enough.
Spot on
Nope i think you find that Pogba has his hand in Luiz's face and tripped himself.
We are perfectly good enough but you can beat 12 Men Man utd.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 01, 2021, 10:47:31 PM
Post by: RichardBatchelor on January 01, 2021, 10:47:49 PM
Well it's up to us to change that 25 year narrative.Don't like hard luck stories especially against these fuckers. I'd rather we had won by 2 very lucky deflected shots.
It’s not a hard luck story though - that’s when you’re the better side and lose, which can happen and why footy is such a great game. No, this is being cheated, and it’s happened against these at least a dozen times in 25 years at a conservative estimate, and I for one am sick of it. It’s like a 36 game season.
Not easy when you effectively start 1-0 down against a very good team - but continue playing like this and we’ll win most of the other 36 games anyway, thought we were superb tonight.
Post by: mrfuse on January 01, 2021, 10:48:34 PM
And I thought it was a penalty.
I think your the only one.
Definitely soft but if it was the other way round I'd be expecting a penalty
...& I’d be expecting everyone to call us diving cheats if we got it.
Yes they undoubtedly would call us that, but I'd still expect a penalty. Perhaps not a few seasons back, but definitely these days. Maybe that's the issue.
Lets face it if it was the other way round it wouldn't have been a penalty.
Post by: OzVilla on January 01, 2021, 10:48:46 PM
On another day, against another club we could have got something. Not against these fuckers.
Post by: gpbarr on January 01, 2021, 10:49:48 PM
We have come miles in a very short space of time and looked every inch the measure of an improving Utd side tonight. In 6th, a game in hand, and a solidity in the club / spine of very good players in the squad that augers well for an exciting 2nd half of the season and further building in the summer. We have every right to expect that this is now where we belong - not languishing in the bottom half but competing for European places. With the right re-enforcements, even Champions League qualification in 22.
UTFV - this is a proper team, with proper management, and proper ownership - to go along with proper fans of the game.
Post by: baddowvillans on January 01, 2021, 10:50:17 PM
Post by: nick harper on January 01, 2021, 10:50:34 PM
He let them get away with cynical fouls in the second half for too long though.
Post by: Ads on January 01, 2021, 10:52:29 PM
Meanwhile Maguire handballs away a cross.
One is a penalty. Guess which way it went.
Post by: Des Little on January 01, 2021, 10:52:46 PM
Post by: robbo1874 on January 01, 2021, 10:53:27 PM
Post by: Allan C on January 01, 2021, 10:53:58 PM
Post by: Steve67 on January 01, 2021, 10:54:02 PM
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on January 01, 2021, 10:54:08 PM
It’s impossible to tell if Luiz clips Pogba or Pogba trips himself but Oliver was very close so saw and heard enough to be convinced. Slow motion is inconclusive but not enough to get it reviewed.Slow motion conclusively shows Pogba trips himself
He let them get away with cynical fouls in the second half for too long though.
Post by: RamboandBruno on January 01, 2021, 10:55:27 PM
The cups a difficult one now as I’m sure lots of us would love a cup run and we might need to win the cup or wulify for Europe to keep hold of grealish. But we do need to rest some. Watkins needs a rest, but it feels like that we basically surrendering having Davis as our man striker against Liverpool, and I like Davis.
Post by: Rudy65 on January 01, 2021, 10:55:32 PM
Am I over-reacting thinking that Bailly should have seen red for the two-footed jumping challenge aimed at McGinn ?
Yes you are
Post by: brontebilly on January 01, 2021, 10:59:10 PM
Martinez 7, got lucky with one party but sharp apart from that
Cash 7, excellent cross in first half, didn't get much support from Traore defensively and finished strongly
Konsa 7, classy defender, excellent clearance near end showing Mings up again
Mings 5 - terrible decision to go with his head for that cross, continues to cost us goals
Targett 6 - solid enough defensively
Luiz 6 - good first half but was poor to get turned for the peno and didn't shield our box that well
McGinn 6 - excellent first half but disappeared in second, shoved out wide for a finish
Traore 5 - lucky to see the second half, the goal gave his at least one additional point
Jack 9 - best player on pitch by a long way, ran the second half . Excellent assist and numerous other chances. Ref didn't protect him either
Watkins 5 - confidence low, missed three big chances. Touch poor again. At least getting into the positions still but needs a goal badly
Ramsey 5 - very little impact
Davis 6 - story of his Villa career, put himself about, smart header and then the chance at the end could have made him a hero....super block mind
Post by: Loxton01 on January 01, 2021, 11:00:15 PM
Also did anyone think Maguire handled at the end before the Davis shot because I did but no VAR check of course
Post by: Ads on January 01, 2021, 11:03:03 PM
Post by: mrfuse on January 01, 2021, 11:03:26 PM
It’s impossible to tell if Luiz clips Pogba or Pogba trips himself but Oliver was very close so saw and heard enough to be convinced. Slow motion is inconclusive but not enough to get it reviewed.Slow motion conclusively shows Pogba trips himself
He let them get away with cynical fouls in the second half for too long though.
Added to the fact Pogba told Shaw off for not diving just before hand, I think we can safely say he tripped himself and it wasn't a penalty.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 01, 2021, 11:04:38 PM
Post by: pooligan on January 01, 2021, 11:05:44 PM
Post by: Ads on January 01, 2021, 11:05:52 PM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 01, 2021, 11:07:55 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 01, 2021, 11:08:23 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on January 01, 2021, 11:10:11 PM
Slow motion is decidedly fucking conclusive. Pogba kicks his own fucking leg. There is no argument. Its not subjective, that is what happens.
Meanwhile Maguire handballs away a cross.
One is a penalty. Guess which way it went.
Agree. Can't see how it can be argued that Luiz initiated any contact with Pogba at all. Never mind, let's just brush that one under the carpet as SKY and the millions of armchair fans around the world wank themselves silly that Man U and Liverpool are joint top of the league.
Post by: mrfuse on January 01, 2021, 11:11:58 PM
Slow motion is decidedly fucking conclusive. Pogba kicks his own fucking leg. There is no argument. Its not subjective, that is what happens.
Meanwhile Maguire handballs away a cross.
One is a penalty. Guess which way it went.
I missed the handball anyone got a link? edit just seen it why wasn't that checked by VAR?
besides the fact Man utd would go joint top.
Post by: Steve67 on January 01, 2021, 11:13:01 PM
Post by: brontebilly on January 01, 2021, 11:14:23 PM
That first challenge by Matic on Jack was an absolute nail on yellow, I don’t care if it was his first foul.
Was shin high and clearly cynical...should not matter if first minute or 90th either
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 01, 2021, 11:15:58 PM
We’ve made massive strides in recent months, and with one or two good buys we’ll continue on this trajectory. Disappointed tonight, yes of course but massively optimistic for the future.
This for me and I hate losing to those plastic wankers more than anyone. In the past we'd have lost that 2 or 3 nil but they were relieved for the game to end.
It was on the cards to set up the title chase with them and Liverpool. This would have been an easier game a month ago just like Spurs and Everton would have been tougher a month ago so rest and win those. It'll also make it all the sweeter when we derail their 'title' bid on the 8th of May in front of a packed VP. UTFV!!
Post by: wittonwarrior on January 01, 2021, 11:17:42 PM
Post by: FatSam on January 01, 2021, 11:19:06 PM
I was watching on mute to avoid being led by the commentators and couldn't understand what the offence was supposed to be. The players were running alongside each another, and both were using arms. I'm completely perplexed by the outcome, and for balance didn't think the Trezeguet one against Brighton was a penalty either.
Post by: Hillbilly on January 01, 2021, 11:21:16 PM
How many dodgy penalties do these fuckers get?11 (Eleven) already this season.
Post by: Ads on January 01, 2021, 11:22:14 PM
Somebody really should follow the money.
Post by: lovejoy on January 01, 2021, 11:23:34 PM
33 penalties in 59 games.
Somebody really should follow the money.
Exactly, it’s good business for United to be near the top, so guess who gets all the decisions.
Post by: tomd2103 on January 01, 2021, 11:24:07 PM
The penalty, what has gone completely unnoticed is the fact that Pogba has his arm across Luiz's face and throat in the first place. Dean Smith is rarely wrong about such things, especially after they will have watched it several times after the game. Michael Oliver is a melt.
Don't really blame Michael Oliver for it (though I do blame him for letting them get away with numerous cynical fouls) as there looked like a tangle of legs on first viewing. The VAR official though either wasn't looking at it properly or his arse completely dropped out.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 01, 2021, 11:24:26 PM
How many dodgy penalties do these fuckers get?11 (Eleven) already this season.
Agree with FatSam and you, not a penalty for me.
Post by: LukeJames on January 01, 2021, 11:27:34 PM
33 penalties in 59 games.
Fucking hell 😂😂😂
Post by: tomd2103 on January 01, 2021, 11:27:50 PM
I'm staggered that a top of the table Premier League match can be decided by what I thought was a shockingly poor refereeing decision. In theory this is why VAR was introduced, but it doesn't seem to have made any difference. What I find most confusing is that so many commentators and pundits seem to think that it was the correct outcome. Surely it needs to be clearer than just a 'coming together' for a single incident to effectively be allowed to decide the match?
I was watching on mute to avoid being led by the commentators and couldn't understand what the offence was supposed to be. The players were running alongside each another, and both were using arms. I'm completely perplexed by the outcome, and for balance didn't think the Trezeguet one against Brighton was a penalty either.
Look who the commentators and pundits are and is it any wonder why they think it is the correct decision.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on January 01, 2021, 11:31:51 PM
Post by: mrfuse on January 01, 2021, 11:36:41 PM
I think this clearly shows the trip on himself.
Post by: picicata on January 01, 2021, 11:37:12 PM
Couple of weeks until the next game so give those players that need a rest one for the Liverpool game and get back to winning ways against Spurs.
Post by: Villatillidie1982 on January 01, 2021, 11:37:21 PM
Disappointed to lose to those bastards yet again. Think we merited a point. Re the penalty, we'd want it the other way round so I can see why it was given.Luiz touched him and that is enough for a foul to be given these days. Jack gets enough of those sorts of fouls. But we matched one of the best teams in the country playing at the top of their game and we should be pleased with that. Watkins needs support though.
Post by: tomd2103 on January 01, 2021, 11:41:31 PM
Disappointed to lose to those bastards yet again. Think we merited a point. Re the penalty, we'd want it the other way round so I can see why it was given.Luiz touched him and that is enough for a foul to be given these days. Jack gets enough of those sorts of fouls. But we matched one of the best teams in the country playing at the top of their game and we should be pleased with that. Watkins needs support though.
Not having a go mate, but watching that video above, when and where exactly does Luiz touch him?
As you can probably tell, I'm still raging about it!! That said, apart from the first 10-15 minutes, I thought we more than matched them and even took the game to them at times.
Found myself thinking during the second half that I'm not sure how many of their players I would take over ours at the moment, particularly in defence and midfield. Think that and being so disappointed at losing is testament to how far we have come this season, but do feel we need more quality in the final third of we are genuinely going to mix it at that kind of level.
One note is that our defending in the wide areas is becoming a bit of an issue, particularly on our right side where Traore keeps getting caught.
Post by: FatSam on January 01, 2021, 11:42:09 PM
Quote from: CaliRoshi
It's not that it wasn't a penalty, it's that it was a weak penalty, which decided the game based on the rules.
The rules regarding what should constitute a penalty need to change. From ridiculous handballs, to players being tripped with no clear path to goal on the outskirts of the box, these things should not result in a free shot on goal with a 90% likelihood of success.
An indirect free kick in the box would solve this issue. Maybe a red card too, but not a penalty.
A better understanding of what a clear and obvious foul is, to stop a clear shot on goal, is needed. Penalties can still exist, but they should happen far far less frequently. They shouldn't be deciding every other game.
Post by: Somniloquism on January 01, 2021, 11:43:03 PM
Post by: Monty on January 01, 2021, 11:44:05 PM
Disappointed to lose to those bastards yet again. Think we merited a point. Re the penalty, we'd want it the other way round so I can see why it was given.Luiz touched him and that is enough for a foul to be given these days. Jack gets enough of those sorts of fouls. But we matched one of the best teams in the country playing at the top of their game and we should be pleased with that. Watkins needs support though.
Not having a go mate, but watching that video above, when and where exactly does Luiz touch him?
Watch Pogba's foot, it clearly bumps on Doug before tripping himself up.
Post by: mrfuse on January 01, 2021, 11:45:22 PM
Disappointed to lose to those bastards yet again. Think we merited a point. Re the penalty, we'd want it the other way round so I can see why it was given.Luiz touched him and that is enough for a foul to be given these days. Jack gets enough of those sorts of fouls. But we matched one of the best teams in the country playing at the top of their game and we should be pleased with that. Watkins needs support though.
Not having a go mate, but watching that video above, when and where exactly does Luiz touch him?
Watch Pogba's foot, it clearly bumps on Doug before tripping himself up.
I still dont see it.
Post by: Somniloquism on January 01, 2021, 11:46:30 PM
Disappointed to lose to those bastards yet again. Think we merited a point. Re the penalty, we'd want it the other way round so I can see why it was given.Luiz touched him and that is enough for a foul to be given these days. Jack gets enough of those sorts of fouls. But we matched one of the best teams in the country playing at the top of their game and we should be pleased with that. Watkins needs support though.
Not having a go mate, but watching that video above, when and where exactly does Luiz touch him?
The socks brush and because one kit is washed in Ariel and one in Persil, the static charges repelled them. As Luiz's was planted and Pogba's was in the air, his was the one it had more effect on and so his one leg was thrown into his other.
Post by: Monty on January 01, 2021, 11:47:23 PM
Disappointed to lose to those bastards yet again. Think we merited a point. Re the penalty, we'd want it the other way round so I can see why it was given.Luiz touched him and that is enough for a foul to be given these days. Jack gets enough of those sorts of fouls. But we matched one of the best teams in the country playing at the top of their game and we should be pleased with that. Watkins needs support though.
Not having a go mate, but watching that video above, when and where exactly does Luiz touch him?
Watch Pogba's foot, it clearly bumps on Doug before tripping himself up.
I still dont see it.
We need snicko or hotspot.
Post by: Villafirst on January 01, 2021, 11:48:34 PM
Post by: mrfuse on January 01, 2021, 11:48:43 PM
It is quiet telling watching the Sky Highlight that the commentator states "and very quickly that check has been completed". Has there ever been such a fast check for a non clear penalty?
That's a good point that's been overlooked. Were still discussing it now and debating and yet they pretty much made up their minds straight away.
Post by: Alex77 on January 01, 2021, 11:53:05 PM
Post by: mrfuse on January 01, 2021, 11:53:42 PM
Pogba telling Luke Shaw to dive.
Post by: pelty on January 01, 2021, 11:54:53 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on January 01, 2021, 11:55:59 PM
Disappointed to lose to those bastards yet again. Think we merited a point. Re the penalty, we'd want it the other way round so I can see why it was given.Luiz touched him and that is enough for a foul to be given these days. Jack gets enough of those sorts of fouls. But we matched one of the best teams in the country playing at the top of their game and we should be pleased with that. Watkins needs support though.
Not having a go mate, but watching that video above, when and where exactly does Luiz touch him?
Watch Pogba's foot, it clearly bumps on Doug before tripping himself up.
Again, not having a go at you Monty, but they said that in the studio and I can't see how that makes sense. Pogba caught Luiz's calf and tripped himself up. Still can't see where Luiz has fouled him.
Post by: cdward on January 01, 2021, 11:56:47 PM
I don’t like it, but this is where we are with VAR.
Post by: MalcolmP on January 01, 2021, 11:57:29 PM
And I thought it was a penalty.Specsavers in the morning for you
Post by: tomd2103 on January 01, 2021, 11:58:36 PM
Clear pen for me. Luiz knocks his leg which causes him to trips. Certainly not a clear and obvious error, again, for me. I respect that we all see it differently.
Nice to see Gary Neville adding to the debate on here (only kidding mate!!).
Post by: Edvard Remberg on January 02, 2021, 12:07:14 AM
I can accept that penalty was given, as Grealish “buys” plenty of free kicks by anticipating where the opposition player will plant their foot/leg and allows himself to make contact, thus drawing a foul.The thing for me, is that DL has his foot planted, and it is Pogba who hits his calf, not Luiz catching Pogba.
I don’t like it, but this is where we are with VAR.
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 02, 2021, 12:12:51 AM
Post by: robbo1874 on January 02, 2021, 12:16:30 AM
ref’s just waiting to give it though. First chance....peeep! Quelle surprise. Wankers.How many dodgy penalties do these fuckers get?11 (Eleven) already this season.
Agree with FatSam and you, not a penalty for me.
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 02, 2021, 12:18:25 AM
Post by: robbo1874 on January 02, 2021, 12:18:34 AM
ref’s just waiting to give it though. First chance....peeep! Quelle surprise. Wankers.How many dodgy penalties do these fuckers get?11 (Eleven) already this season.
Agree with FatSam and you, not a penalty for me.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 02, 2021, 12:22:56 AM
If Matic had been sent off for a second yellow, rather than given his first after four blatant fouls, it might have been a different story.
It certainly would have made it a more interesting game, 11 vs 11.
Post by: myf on January 02, 2021, 12:30:36 AM
Clear pen for me. Luiz knocks his leg which causes him to trips. Certainly not a clear and obvious error, again, for me. I respect that we all see it differently.
What about Pogba with his out stretched arm and hand in Luiz's face. isn't that a foul?
Post by: Ads on January 02, 2021, 12:32:00 AM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 02, 2021, 12:48:50 AM
Post by: robbo1874 on January 02, 2021, 01:09:11 AM
Post by: pelty on January 02, 2021, 01:57:48 AM
Clear pen for me. Luiz knocks his leg which causes him to trips. Certainly not a clear and obvious error, again, for me. I respect that we all see it differently.
What about Pogba with his out stretched arm and hand in Luiz's face. isn't that a foul?
Fair point. I was referring mostly to the leg action. That said, I thought the hand checking was something both players were doing and I have seen similar all over the field. Again, the debate suggest (to me) that this is not clear and obvious just as I argued that the Brighton pen reversal was ridiculous on the same grounds.
Post by: ktvillan on January 02, 2021, 02:00:16 AM
But it's Pogba who initiates the contact with Luiz's leg. That could, and in my view should, be interpreted as Pogba kicking, and thereby fouling, Luiz.
Unfortunately the powers that be these days seem to have decided that that kind of thing is a foul the other way. I've no idea why, I find it difficult to fathom how it can be a foul against a player who has done absolutely nothing to initiate contact, and in favour of a player who has. It's just another example of how shit football has become.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 02, 2021, 04:24:47 AM
Post by: Small Rodent on January 02, 2021, 04:53:37 AM
Clear pen for me. Luiz knocks his leg which causes him to trips. Certainly not a clear and obvious error, again, for me. I respect that we all see it differently.
Yeah but you always like the attention.
Post by: Perthvillan on January 02, 2021, 06:04:38 AM
It just goes to show how they knew they had got away with one.
The penalty was iffy at best and would never have been given at the other end.
As Deano said in the post match interview, why doesn't the ref go and look at the VAR monitor.
It was the key moment in the game and surely worth another look by the ref.
The penalty decision in the Brighton game must have taken at least 5 minutes before being overturned.
You can't help feeling there is some kind of conspiracy going on when we continually end up being turned over by dodgy VAR decisions.
At least a couple of posters called it in the pre-game thread that we would get beaten by a dodgy penalty decision.
All very frustrating as once again we played very well especially in the second half.
We've been amazing since the lockdown.
Onwards and upwards UTV.
Post by: pelty on January 02, 2021, 06:09:41 AM
Clear pen for me. Luiz knocks his leg which causes him to trips. Certainly not a clear and obvious error, again, for me. I respect that we all see it differently.
Yeah but you always like the attention.
What are you on about? If, by “attention” you mean I like to participate and talk about my favorite football team, Aston Villa, and discuss it with others like everybody else on this forum, then I guess I like the “attention.” 🙄
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 02, 2021, 06:34:58 AM
It is impossible to tell if Pogba initiated contact, I suspect he did. The refs are all over the place, Mctominey spent the whole game fouling Grealish and then Matic is bought on to use his 4 fouls up to stop Grealish.
Oliver used to be a decent ref but he is just another compromised cop out merchant and gave us nothing.
But we have come to expect this, everybody associated with that horrible club will get up this morning believing that the order has been restored and sadly it has.
Post by: pelty on January 02, 2021, 07:07:01 AM
I know it is cheese and chalk to some degree, but replay works far more often than not in American football (which I assume you are able to view with some consistency). The pass interference issue in the NFL a couple years back might be the exception, but I am uncertain why the PL cannot find a way to train refs in such a way as to get something approximating the uniformity seen in replay decisions in American football (not suggesting it is perfect; maybe you do not agree that it is any better?).
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 02, 2021, 07:14:19 AM
The problem is having played and watched football most of my life I don’t know what the laws are anymore.
It is impossible to tell if Pogba initiated contact, I suspect he did. The refs are all over the place, Mctominey spent the whole game fouling Grealish and then Matic is bought on to use his 4 fouls up to stop Grealish.
Oliver used to be a decent ref but he is just another compromised cop out merchant and gave us nothing.
But we have come to expect this, everybody associated with that horrible club will get up this morning believing that the order has been restored and sadly it has.
If, and it’s a big if, we can keep Jack for the next two or three years, we’ll be one of those clubs that get these decisions most of the time, and everyone else will hate us.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on January 02, 2021, 07:16:56 AM
Post by: Baldy on January 02, 2021, 07:35:56 AM
We are clearly improving as a team. We just need a bit more anger. All our players should have been in the refs ear and demanded he went to the monitor.
If we had of been awarded a penalty like that, Man Utd players would have almost carried the ref to the monitor. >:(
Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 02, 2021, 07:47:08 AM
Post by: mr underhill on January 02, 2021, 07:59:40 AM
Post by: oishiiniku on January 02, 2021, 08:06:40 AM
- They were scared of us tonight. The fact that they had several players whose job was mainly to foul Jack (and others) is testament to the the threat we pose to even the top teams now. Matic could/should have been off for the number of blatant professional fouls he had in such a short space of time.
- We need other options for the central striker role. Ollie does a lot of things really well - he occupies 2 defenders and creates space even when he doesn't win the aerial duels - but the lack of goals is starting to get to him, I think. Wesley's not going to be match ready for a month or two (and even then might not be the answer) so we should really be trying to get an experienced striker on loan for the rest of the season (easier said than done). I reckon Ollie would get more goals on the right of the three as it's often the wide players that the genuine chances fall to.
- Long-term, we need an upgrade on Mings. He's just too error-prone for a team that is aiming to be top six. We need a rock like Ogbonna/Saiss/Vestergaard as our senior centre back. No player like that would be cheap, but a more reliable defender would save us many points per season. And probably bury a few more headers too.
- We have come a hell of a long way in the past year. We are now a genuinely exciting team that uses the ball well, and can threaten in numerous ways.
- I hope that we rest a number of players in the FA Cup and that we batter Spurs on the 13th!
Post by: Morleys left boot on January 02, 2021, 08:16:06 AM
Post by: Bad English on January 02, 2021, 08:25:52 AM
Oh, and Fuck Man United. ******.
Post by: Ads on January 02, 2021, 08:38:39 AM
It's simply not a penalty under any circumstances and I am fucking astounded anybody thinks it is. 33 in 59 games. Fucking Juventus would be proud.
Post by: The Edge on January 02, 2021, 08:45:35 AM
Post by: PaulTheVillan on January 02, 2021, 08:47:49 AM
The Penalty. I thought in real time it was one, Luiz was too tight and wasn’t going to win the ball. Watching again I think it’s soft.
Smith was harsh on the first half performance. Which I’m happy to see, can’t let the players get too carried away with how we’ve been doing. I like how he’s demanding standards.
As for United, title challenge? No chance. Liverpool will not be worried.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 02, 2021, 08:48:01 AM
Post by: andyh on January 02, 2021, 08:49:51 AM
‘It ay fair’
‘Them spawny ****** won because of VAR, again’
It was a crap penalty decision.
The gave them a fucking tough game.
We are improving massively.
Onwards and upwards.
Post by: Mister E on January 02, 2021, 08:50:46 AM
Villa's finishing let us down: we played well (albeit a little de-energised, I thought) and created chances but failed to convert.
Ollie Watkins is a fine player; one who - I think - needs to play left of another striker. I was a great proponent of brining Callum Wilson in over the summer. I wished we had done so, because the two of them would have scored shitloads together.
Post by: Nunkin1965 on January 02, 2021, 08:53:37 AM
We matched and at times were better than United in most if not all areas of that game.
We lost out to a lousy penalty decision and nothing else.
Post by: Ads on January 02, 2021, 08:57:07 AM
I cannot abide that club.
Post by: aj2k77 on January 02, 2021, 08:58:24 AM
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on January 02, 2021, 09:01:26 AM
Post by: The Edge on January 02, 2021, 09:03:07 AM
Those penalties are allways given. Luiz got the wrong side.How did Luiz get the wrong side? He was alongside Pogba in the only place he could be. He did everything right. Pogba stuck his leg into Doug's leg and tripped himself up. You could argue that Doug got a little too tight on Pogba but that was his only crime. Pogba cheated. The ref fell for it and VAR turned a blind eye.
The ref was soft on the persistent fouling but we made 2 errors that led to their goals.
We did not take our chances, we are not quite good enough.
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on January 02, 2021, 09:13:44 AM
He was being impeded by the outstretched arm of pogba (obstruction) who then decided clearly to trip himself up. No penalty and var should have picked this up if it was fair and just, but it's not.
pogba's running style reminds me of Phoebe off Friends.
Post by: CT on January 02, 2021, 09:43:54 AM
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Post by: Clampy on January 02, 2021, 09:52:07 AM
Post by: wince on January 02, 2021, 10:01:39 AM
And that was not a clear penalty. That touch on Tom daly leading to the Norman wisdom trip was comical. The bin dippers have nothing to fear.
Post by: LeeB on January 02, 2021, 10:03:50 AM
On the penalty, my initial reaction was it was one, and I still think that. Luiz was too close, Pogba had edged ahead of him, he was taking a huge chance. As for using var, on this occasion I don't think there was any better place to judge it from than the referee's viewpoint in real time.
Spot on for me.
I thought it was in real time, and when I saw the replay. As you say, Doug got the wrong side, had arms on him and clipped his leg. He made the most of it but that’s what good players do.
Post by: The Edge on January 02, 2021, 10:05:32 AM
Anybody remember a few years ago when manure not winning was deemed harmful for the pl “brand”? Is VAR there not to make the game fairer but to add to the drama on skyazonbt ?Norman Wisdom trip haha. I like that.
And that was not a clear penalty. That touch on Tom daly leading to the Norman wisdom trip was comical. The bin dippers have nothing to fear.
Post by: Risso on January 02, 2021, 10:05:44 AM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 02, 2021, 10:07:02 AM
I never thought I could hate more the Plastics but after last night all I can say is they've got the fans they deserve. Shame the media had written their headlines before a ball was kicked. Man Utd challenging Liverpool for the title? Not a f*****g chance.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 02, 2021, 10:09:51 AM
Chelsea was a tougher game and we got a deserved point.
I never thought I could hate more the Plastics but after last night all I can say is they've got the fans they deserve. Shame the media had written their headlines before a ball was kicked. Man Utd challenging Liverpool for the title? Not a f*****g chance.
I wouldn’t be surprised. Liverpool are nothing special either. We’re probably two players and good luck with injuries away from challenging them for the title ourselves.
Post by: LeeB on January 02, 2021, 10:09:56 AM
It was one of those that you're pissed off if it goes against you, and sure it's a penalty if given for you. It was soft, but there wasn't much in the replay that was going to get it overturned. You'd think the players would have learned by now not to do anything like that at Old Trafford.
Yes. From a poxy throw in as well, not like they’d stretched us on the break or anything.
Post by: brontebilly on January 02, 2021, 10:10:02 AM
It was one of those that you're pissed off if it goes against you, and sure it's a penalty if given for you. It was soft, but there wasn't much in the replay that was going to get it overturned. You'd think the players would have learned by now not to do anything like that at Old Trafford.
Luiz shouldn't be grappling with him in the box anyway, got too tight and got done. Still has quite a bit to learn before becoming a top class holding midfielder.
Post by: RamboandBruno on January 02, 2021, 10:12:05 AM
I don’t blame the ref for giving the penalty, I thought it was a penalty. However, on the first replay, that is the first replay my ten year old son shouts out that Pogba trips himself up. If he can see that straight away it indicates that those monitoring the VAR are either incompetent or corrupt or both.
Moving aside from the penalty. I thought we played well but as a few others have said I don’t want us to be plucky losers. We created virtually nothing in the first half, we stepped it up second half, were largely the better team, but missed our big opportunities. Once he beat Maguire to the ball mings has to get that header on target. Likewise with Ollie, the second chance he had when he directed his header over, that’s a few times he’s done that this season, he has to at least make the keeper make a save.
A few posters have said we’re missing something in the final 3rd, I agree, but I think we have that player in barckley. I think he’s probably better than grealish specifically in that ten role, or maybe betters the wrong word, the way he can link up with grealish from the ten role with grealish on the left, is far more potent, than the current el Ghazi and grealish combination. It is also noticeable that Targett overlaps less when barckleys not playing. Out of the five summer signings he was the marquee signing really that helps to take us up a level and we need to get him back.
On the forward line, Traore is an upgrade skill wise that the Trez or el Ghazi of this time last year, but he does leave cash exposed and I wouldn’t really have a problem with him being the one to drop to the bench for barckley. El Ghazi is an upgrade on the el Ghazi of last year and played ok last night, it’s a toss up for me with him on the right with his goal threat and Trez and his work rate.
Watkins is a very good player, who needs a tap in, I thought there was a couple of occasions last night when he lost the ball too easily, maybe fatigue.
Finally sky were abysmal in their coverage, totally disrespectful all the way through and basically doing a tapping up job on grealish for man Utd. Despite losing to them last night, I think that Man Utd site is fairly average. Take Rashford, Pogba and Fernandes our and there top ten at best, I know you could say that about taking 3 good players out of any team, but most clubs don’t have the undeserved hype that they do. There is no way that team will finish above Liverpool or Man City, and to be honest from what I e seen so far I’d expect spurs and Chelsea to finish above them and hopefully us as well.
All in all I’m gutted to lose last night and a tough run of fixtures in January will probably end up giving us a clearer indication of where we’re going to finish this year. But apart from the odd blip so far so good.
Post by: LeeB on January 02, 2021, 10:13:03 AM
It was one of those that you're pissed off if it goes against you, and sure it's a penalty if given for you. It was soft, but there wasn't much in the replay that was going to get it overturned. You'd think the players would have learned by now not to do anything like that at Old Trafford.
Luiz shouldn't be grappling with him in the box anyway, got too tight and got done. Still has quite a bit to learn before becoming a top class holding midfielder.
Got too tight and was behind him as well, but other than that he was superb generally, I don’t think he’s got far to go at all.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 02, 2021, 10:15:02 AM
Post by: Risso on January 02, 2021, 10:15:32 AM
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 02, 2021, 10:16:18 AM
Post by: pooligan on January 02, 2021, 10:17:08 AM
Post by: lovejoy on January 02, 2021, 10:24:06 AM
I must admit I’m old school, I still detest the Michael Owen penalty of knocking the ball past the keeper then dragging your heels into his body as he tries to pull out of the challenge.
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on January 02, 2021, 10:25:03 AM
Post by: Billy Walker on January 02, 2021, 10:25:37 AM
Post by: mrfuse on January 02, 2021, 10:33:23 AM
I was convinced last night there was no contact from Douglas but this angle shows that there was.
But as people on here did say its Pogba kicking Luiz as his foot is planted on the floor.
Post by: brontebilly on January 02, 2021, 10:41:39 AM
Post by: Villa Lew on January 02, 2021, 10:50:39 AM
Bigger picture, last night's game showed why we now have a quality team, went toe to toe with an United team, who are now joint top, and deserved a point. The reaction of the United players at the end, showed they knew they've been in a tough game. Would go for Matty Cash as MOM, thought he was superb, and of course Jack as well.
Post by: nick harper on January 02, 2021, 10:51:11 AM
A free shot from 12 yards is completely disproportionate to the offence these days.
Post by: LeeB on January 02, 2021, 10:52:54 AM
Mings elbow on Pogba was far more of a penalty....lucky enough to get away with that one to be honest. Elbow very high and swinging
Rubbish, elbow my arse. He only catches him because he bumps into Targett on the other side.
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on January 02, 2021, 10:53:44 AM
Post by: Chris Smith on January 02, 2021, 10:56:40 AM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on January 02, 2021, 10:59:07 AM
The run of results we have had against this lot since the Premier League started defies all logic, even taking into account us being hamstrung by Doug Ellis for much of that time. It will all swing in our favour again eventually but when you see dodgy officiating and game-changing decisions being repeated every time the two clubs meet, you can't help but feel bemused by it all.It's beyond bizarre, our results against these. We have one win against these this century. One. Have a look on 11v11 to see if you can think of any other club with such a shit record against them. There's so few. When clubs like Crystal Palace have won two of the last three meetings. Bournemouth beat them twice, and they were only in the same division for five bastard seasons! It's beyond the wit of man to explain it.
Post by: Clampy on January 02, 2021, 10:59:43 AM
Mings elbow on Pogba was far more of a penalty....lucky enough to get away with that one to be honest. Elbow very high and swinging
His elbow was not swinging at all.
Post by: danno on January 02, 2021, 10:59:53 AM
Post by: Ads on January 02, 2021, 11:02:13 AM
Post by: Billy Walker on January 02, 2021, 11:04:28 AM
The run of results we have had against this lot since the Premier League started defies all logic, even taking into account us being hamstrung by Doug Ellis for much of that time. It will all swing in our favour again eventually but when you see dodgy officiating and game-changing decisions being repeated every time the two clubs meet, you can't help but feel bemused by it all.It's beyond bizarre, our results against these. We have one win against these this century. One. Have a look on 11v11 to see if you can think of any other club with such a shit record against them. There's so few. When clubs like Crystal Palace have won two of the last three meetings. Bournemouth beat them twice, and they were only in the same division for five bastard seasons! It's beyond the wit of man to explain it.
A non-league team would have a better record against them in that timeframe, I'm sure of it. It's bonkers.
Post by: Monty on January 02, 2021, 11:08:13 AM
Post by: mrfuse on January 02, 2021, 11:15:54 AM
If Grealish ever tries to win a penalty like that, you'll hear Neville screaming "diver" from space.
This is why I always argue that Grealish rarely dives.
Admittedly he goes down easily due to mistimed challenges but apart from the blatant one recently he doesn't just go down.
Hence why he rarely gets penalties compared to Free kicks as defenders don't throw out a leg for him to go over in the box as much.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 02, 2021, 11:17:38 AM
I am hugely encouraged by our progress so far this season but our record against Manchester United is truly appalling. i might have dreamt this but I think we have only won once in over 30 games.
You did dream it, it's actually one win in 43 games.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 02, 2021, 11:23:46 AM
The penalty this year was debatable (not that they debated it for long). It's memories of last year which give me an urge to burn things.
Well it is bloody cold enough 😀
Post by: Nunkin1965 on January 02, 2021, 11:25:53 AM
Did anybody watch that game and think we didn't compete? Didnt look dangerous? That we didn't play really good football?
Nobody on our side of the fence can say we weren't very impressive.
United's reaction at the end of the game said it all.
We're seriously back in business.
Post by: darren woolley on January 02, 2021, 11:34:41 AM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on January 02, 2021, 11:50:24 AM
The run of results we have had against this lot since the Premier League started defies all logic, even taking into account us being hamstrung by Doug Ellis for much of that time. It will all swing in our favour again eventually but when you see dodgy officiating and game-changing decisions being repeated every time the two clubs meet, you can't help but feel bemused by it all.It's beyond bizarre, our results against these. We have one win against these this century. One. Have a look on 11v11 to see if you can think of any other club with such a shit record against them. There's so few. When clubs like Crystal Palace have won two of the last three meetings. Bournemouth beat them twice, and they were only in the same division for five bastard seasons! It's beyond the wit of man to explain it.
A non-league team would have a better record against them in that timeframe, I'm sure of it. It's bonkers.
PL era, we've won 3 out of 51, one win in every 17. Of all the clubs that have played them 17 or more times, the only club as proportionately shit as us against them is Coventry, with one win in 18.
Post by: amfy on January 02, 2021, 12:02:03 PM
Did anybody watch that game and think we didn't compete? Didnt look dangerous? That we didn't play really good football?
Nobody on our side of the fence can say we weren't very impressive.
United's reaction at the end of the game said it all.
We're seriously back in business.
Certainly didn’t have that feeling I usually have that we seemed to play well, but United probably had another gear if we troubled them. They needed that penalty.
Post by: Small Rodent on January 02, 2021, 12:03:34 PM
Clear pen for me. Luiz knocks his leg which causes him to trips. Certainly not a clear and obvious error, again, for me. I respect that we all see it differently.
Yeah but you always like the attention.
What are you on about? If, by “attention” you mean I like to participate and talk about my favorite football team, Aston Villa, and discuss it with others like everybody else on this forum, then I guess I like the “attention.” 🙄
If the majority had said it was a clear penalty, you would have said the opposite.
Post by: Ads on January 02, 2021, 12:05:39 PM
Post by: Risso on January 02, 2021, 12:05:41 PM
Clear pen for me. Luiz knocks his leg which causes him to trips. Certainly not a clear and obvious error, again, for me. I respect that we all see it differently.
Yeah but you always like the attention.
What are you on about? If, by “attention” you mean I like to participate and talk about my favorite football team, Aston Villa, and discuss it with others like everybody else on this forum, then I guess I like the “attention.” 🙄
If the majority had said it was a clear penalty, you would have said the opposite.
No need for that is there? Even Dean Smith said he thought it was a penalty on first viewing.
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on January 02, 2021, 12:10:04 PM
Post by: Malandro on January 02, 2021, 12:12:42 PM
It looks like he threw himself to me.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 02, 2021, 12:13:14 PM
...and that is exactly what I thought var was for. To overturn incorrect 1st viewings of referees, but it's failing badly.
No, in theory it’s to overturn obvious and clear mistakes. Which would be fair enough if it was consistent. But was our penalty award against Brighton clear and obvious?
Post by: tomd2103 on January 02, 2021, 12:16:03 PM
It would help if we could hear what the VAR official.is saying to the referee like they do in rugby, so we know exactly what the thought process is behind decisions.
Post by: not3bad on January 02, 2021, 12:22:04 PM
Post by: Legion on January 02, 2021, 12:24:55 PM
Post by: OCD on January 02, 2021, 12:34:57 PM
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on January 02, 2021, 12:48:15 PM
...and that is exactly what I thought var was for. To overturn incorrect 1st viewings of referees, but it's failing badly.
No, in theory it’s to overturn obvious and clear mistakes. Which would be fair enough if it was consistent. But was our penalty award against Brighton clear and obvious?
Yes. It is failing badly!
Last night's penalty was an incorrect 1st viewing by the referee that should have been overturned by a "fair" var. It was clear and obvious to me in real time and I was viewing the game on a phone.
The penalty vs Brighton was a correct 1st viewing by the referee but was overturned incorrectly by var
It's clear and obvious to me that var is a f-ck up.
Post by: Ads on January 02, 2021, 12:50:40 PM
Right before Bailly blocks that Davis shot, doesn't Maguire handle the ball?
Yes he does.
Post by: OCD on January 02, 2021, 01:08:00 PM
Right before Bailly blocks that Davis shot, doesn't Maguire handle the ball?
Yes he does.
I've not seen any mention of it. We could have done with the players making a big deal of it.
Post by: Small Rodent on January 02, 2021, 01:12:11 PM
Clear pen for me. Luiz knocks his leg which causes him to trips. Certainly not a clear and obvious error, again, for me. I respect that we all see it differently.
Yeah but you always like the attention.
What are you on about? If, by “attention” you mean I like to participate and talk about my favorite football team, Aston Villa, and discuss it with others like everybody else on this forum, then I guess I like the “attention.” 🙄
If the majority had said it was a clear penalty, you would have said the opposite.
No need for that is there? Even Dean Smith said he thought it was a penalty on first viewing.
Yeah, I’m being fractious for the point of being fractious.
Apologies pelty, I’m just being a knobhead!
For what it’s worth, if there was no VAR, the referee has given a penalty and that is it. Apart from its often discussed problems when used, VAR when not used adds another layer of crap.
Post by: paul_e on January 02, 2021, 01:17:39 PM
Didn't think it was penalty, but Doug didn't need to make the challenge, there were already 2 Villa players covering Pogba's run.
Bigger picture, last night's game showed why we now have a quality team, went toe to toe with an United team, who are now joint top, and deserved a point. The reaction of the United players at the end, showed they knew they've been in a tough game. Would go for Matty Cash as MOM, thought he was superb, and of course Jack as well.
What challenge? Doug was running alongside him and the penalty was given because pgoba tripped himself up after catching his foot on Doug's calf. It's never a foul.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 02, 2021, 01:18:06 PM
Post by: Chris Smith on January 02, 2021, 01:48:29 PM
One thing I will say is that as much as the fouling and officiating annoyed me, how good is it to go to Old Trafford and have them needing to consistently foul us in order to cling on to the game? We have massively moved forward and I’m pretty sure all teams fear us now.
Agree with that, Paul. Even at my most optimistic I wasn’t expecting us to be in a position this season to be top 6 contenders.
Post by: stubbsyandy on January 02, 2021, 01:55:39 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 02, 2021, 02:04:05 PM
Post by: pelty on January 02, 2021, 02:53:36 PM
Clear pen for me. Luiz knocks his leg which causes him to trips. Certainly not a clear and obvious error, again, for me. I respect that we all see it differently.
Yeah but you always like the attention.
What are you on about? If, by “attention” you mean I like to participate and talk about my favorite football team, Aston Villa, and discuss it with others like everybody else on this forum, then I guess I like the “attention.” 🙄
If the majority had said it was a clear penalty, you would have said the opposite.
No need for that is there? Even Dean Smith said he thought it was a penalty on first viewing.
Yeah, I’m being fractious for the point of being fractious.
Apologies pelty, I’m just being a knobhead!
For what it’s worth, if there was no VAR, the referee has given a penalty and that is it. Apart from its often discussed problems when used, VAR when not used adds another layer of crap.
No problem. Fwiw, I was pretty vociferous here (along with the majority) on the Brighton non-pen decision against Trez. I remain angry about that one to this minute. As I think I have said, I am just not certain yesterday’s was a clear an obvious error and I am more annoyed that Luiz put the ref in a position where he could make the call. As others have said, there were defenders in the area who could help and fighting/pulling like that in the box is a dangerous game, especially against that lot.
Someone here also said that he is upset by the lack of cards shown. I felt similarly; Matic was simply thuggish and should have had a red 15 minutes after being introduced. I struggle to think of one competent ref in the PL; it really is a problem.
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 02, 2021, 03:21:11 PM
One thing I will say is that as much as the fouling and officiating annoyed me, how good is it to go to Old Trafford and have them needing to consistently foul us in order to cling on to the game? We have massively moved forward and I’m pretty sure all teams fear us now.
We really need to do them at VP. If we have our first 11 out we've got a good chance. Ended home droughts v Liverpool and Arsenal in recent months so it's time.
Post by: sid1964 on January 02, 2021, 03:46:25 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 02, 2021, 04:04:38 PM
Post by: olaftab on January 02, 2021, 04:09:49 PM
Some very complementary comments on their fan sites...Hate that. I would rather they were bitter and twisted today.
Post by: aj2k77 on January 02, 2021, 04:33:58 PM
Diving wanker Pogba.
Post by: The Edge on January 02, 2021, 04:47:59 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 02, 2021, 04:58:55 PM
Did Slabhead handball in the box towards the end and if so does anybody have a link?
Found it: https://twitter.com/davidsteen4/status/1345129017255596034
Post by: villalion on January 02, 2021, 05:04:09 PM
Man United fans have a Jack Grealish thread on one of their forums. There's total belief from them that they only have to wag a finger and he will go running there in an instant. It really doesn't register at all with them that he might not jump at the chance or that our owners have the clout to tell them "go fuck yourselves"I have just read it on red cafe, apparently Jack would relish the opportunity to stick it to Liverpool. Hmm? Did that in the 7-2. I get the impression that a large portion of their fans had never seen him play until last night. Oh and they love Matty Cash too.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 02, 2021, 05:07:53 PM
The Manchester Evening News have sold Jack to Manure on our behalf. No doubt their sister title in Birmingham will be defending our position tomorrow and saying he isn’t for sale.......in no way whatsoever.
I imagine the Mail wrote the article for them.
Post by: brontebilly on January 02, 2021, 05:52:02 PM
Post by: Drummond on January 02, 2021, 06:17:13 PM
It was one of those that you're pissed off if it goes against you, and sure it's a penalty if given for you. It was soft, but there wasn't much in the replay that was going to get it overturned. You'd think the players would have learned by now not to do anything like that at Old Trafford.
You didn't need the last three words.
Luiz made a crap challenge against Southampton thta we got punished for too.
Post by: OCD on January 02, 2021, 06:37:56 PM
Post by: Ads on January 02, 2021, 06:47:55 PM
Post by: Deano's Mullet on January 02, 2021, 06:54:37 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 02, 2021, 06:55:59 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 02, 2021, 06:58:38 PM
I thought he was excellent, along with McGinn.
Agreed. Important to note that he was up against Paul Pogba, who when he can be arsed like he showed glimpses of yesterday, is really quite excellent. And McTominay is developing into a very good player. We you put them along with Bruno Fernandes we did really well against what is a very strong midfield.
Post by: RamboandBruno on January 02, 2021, 07:15:43 PM
If that’s the case, we firstly outplayed them for large parts of one of their better peformances and secondly there really not all that.
Both our fullbacks look really good players.
Post by: brontebilly on January 02, 2021, 08:57:35 PM
I thought he was excellent, along with McGinn.
Agreed. Important to note that he was up against Paul Pogba, who when he can be arsed like he showed glimpses of yesterday, is really quite excellent. And McTominay is developing into a very good player. We you put them along with Bruno Fernandes we did really well against what is a very strong midfield.
McTominay, as demonstrated again last night, is a very average player. A poor man's Darren Fletcher without an ounce of technical ability. No surprise that he was hooked very early. Pogba did well last night but is having another very poor season for them and their support want him out asap. Any midfield that has the likes of McTominay, Fred or Matic starting in it isnt that great. Even in the first half last night, Neville was saying the Villa trio were dominating them. Second half midfield battle was a lot more even, McGinn went out of the game completely and I thought Luiz left his centre backs isolated too often.
The worrying thing for me from last night is that pretty much all our good attacking play came from or through Jack. Goal aside, I cant recall a single positive contribution from Traore. AEG tried hard and had a few decent runs but little threat. Watkins, cows arses and banjos come to mind. Ramsey didnt make any impact upon his introduction. Barkley certainly a loss but we need more options on the bench.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 02, 2021, 09:13:46 PM
Post by: robbo1874 on January 02, 2021, 11:02:38 PM
We're not Shrewsbury. We lost, we ought to have got something. We didn't. We were fucked by the officials but that's what happens there. There's no shame in losing but there's nothing to be proud of.agree with most of your post, but not the bit where you say there’s nothing to be proud of. Disagree with that, Villa more than matched them. Their celebrations at the end told its own story. Seems like every time we get fkd over against them by the officials. Absolute ****** they are.
Post by: robbo1874 on January 02, 2021, 11:07:18 PM
22 fouls. McTominay, Fred and Matic kicked the fuck out of us. And he called us physical.completely agree Ads.
I cannot abide that club.
Post by: The Edge on January 02, 2021, 11:11:22 PM
Ramsey was within millimetres of a goal moments after coming on and I thought he did quite well overall. And I think you're underestimating their midfield they've been on an outstanding run and the midfield has been a big part of that. As for the game itself we went toe to toe with them and we definitely had them rattled. Two major decisions went their way as it always does there. A point would not have flattered us.I thought he was excellent, along with McGinn.
Agreed. Important to note that he was up against Paul Pogba, who when he can be arsed like he showed glimpses of yesterday, is really quite excellent. And McTominay is developing into a very good player. We you put them along with Bruno Fernandes we did really well against what is a very strong midfield.
McTominay, as demonstrated again last night, is a very average player. A poor man's Darren Fletcher without an ounce of technical ability. No surprise that he was hooked very early. Pogba did well last night but is having another very poor season for them and their support want him out asap. Any midfield that has the likes of McTominay, Fred or Matic starting in it isnt that great. Even in the first half last night, Neville was saying the Villa trio were dominating them. Second half midfield battle was a lot more even, McGinn went out of the game completely and I thought Luiz left his centre backs isolated too often.
The worrying thing for me from last night is that pretty much all our good attacking play came from or through Jack. Goal aside, I cant recall a single positive contribution from Traore. AEG tried hard and had a few decent runs but little threat. Watkins, cows arses and banjos come to mind. Ramsey didnt make any impact upon his introduction. Barkley certainly a loss but we need more options on the bench.
Post by: olaftab on January 02, 2021, 11:12:24 PM
We're not Shrewsbury. We lost, we ought to have got something. We didn't. We were fucked by the officials but that's what happens there. There's no shame in losing but there's nothing to be proud of.Well said SE. Losing a game to any other club in the League is not acceptable. Yes it happens but we must never be proud of performance where that game has been lost.
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 02, 2021, 11:27:10 PM
We're not Shrewsbury. We lost, we ought to have got something. We didn't. We were fucked by the officials but that's what happens there. There's no shame in losing but there's nothing to be proud of.Well said SE. Losing a game to any other club in the League is not acceptable. Yes it happens but we must never be proud of performance where that game has been lost.
You can always take something out of the performance though. For example we didn't lose heart from the robbery at West Ham and took that performance into December and had a fantastic run.
I took more out of last night than the endless 1-0 or 2-0 wins we had in the championship v likes of Rotherham and Bolton under Bruce when there was no plan at all and we were just plodding through.
If you look at every single league game we've played this season we've been incredibly consistant. Just second half v Leeds and first half v Southampton where we're fallen well below standards and that is nigh on a miracle after last season.
Post by: baddowvillans on January 02, 2021, 11:33:15 PM
Post by: The Edge on January 02, 2021, 11:35:46 PM
Post by: baddowvillans on January 02, 2021, 11:37:24 PM
Post by: LeeB on January 02, 2021, 11:40:27 PM
The difference is we wouldn't have been given it against them.
Post by: brontebilly on January 02, 2021, 11:40:44 PM
Ramsey was within millimetres of a goal moments after coming on and I thought he did quite well overall. And I think you're underestimating their midfield they've been on an outstanding run and the midfield has been a big part of that. As for the game itself we went toe to toe with them and we definitely had them rattled. Two major decisions went their way as it always does there. A point would not have flattered us.I thought he was excellent, along with McGinn.
Agreed. Important to note that he was up against Paul Pogba, who when he can be arsed like he showed glimpses of yesterday, is really quite excellent. And McTominay is developing into a very good player. We you put them along with Bruno Fernandes we did really well against what is a very strong midfield.
McTominay, as demonstrated again last night, is a very average player. A poor man's Darren Fletcher without an ounce of technical ability. No surprise that he was hooked very early. Pogba did well last night but is having another very poor season for them and their support want him out asap. Any midfield that has the likes of McTominay, Fred or Matic starting in it isnt that great. Even in the first half last night, Neville was saying the Villa trio were dominating them. Second half midfield battle was a lot more even, McGinn went out of the game completely and I thought Luiz left his centre backs isolated too often.
The worrying thing for me from last night is that pretty much all our good attacking play came from or through Jack. Goal aside, I cant recall a single positive contribution from Traore. AEG tried hard and had a few decent runs but little threat. Watkins, cows arses and banjos come to mind. Ramsey didnt make any impact upon his introduction. Barkley certainly a loss but we need more options on the bench.
Don't agree in the slightest regarding their midfield. Moutinho was the best midfielder by a distance in the Wolves game earlier in the week. They have to play two stoppers to cover Maguire but out of the three they rotate none of them are much good. None of them could get close to Grealish in the second half until Matic decided with Oliver's blessing to foul him at will.
Take the last 15 mins even yesterday, they don't have a single midfielder capable of setting a tempo or controlling a game, even to Michael Carricks level. Just handed us back possession time after time. They are very good on the counter attack and will always carry a goal threat with the players they have. But a decent midfield or defence they do not have. I'd expect, particularly if Thiago is playing next week, that Liverpool will destroy them. That's the killer really from yesterday, we really should have got a point at a minimum on chances created alone, peno or not.
Post by: The Edge on January 02, 2021, 11:46:01 PM
Snap ehI know lol. It was utter bollocks from Ian Wright. Just lazy comments.
Post by: The Edge on January 02, 2021, 11:55:20 PM
I still think it was a penalty, and one that didn't need to happen. Luis is behind him and with arms on him before the clip.Watching it live I thought it was a nailed on pen. But having seen replays from various angles I now think it's obvious that Pogba makes contact with the back of Luiz's leg then trips himself up. The referee himself could of come to the same conclusion if he had used the available tech and gone over to the monitor. Piss poor from the ref and he's supposed to be our best one. God help us.
The difference is we wouldn't have been given it against them.
Post by: baddowvillans on January 02, 2021, 11:57:37 PM
I still think it was a penalty, and one that didn't need to happen. Luiz is behind him and with arms on him before the clip.
The difference is we wouldn't have been given it against them.
The thing is no one else is talking about the arms. It's all about the "clip" that's why it's bollocks. Overall can I see why it might be given of course. Do I think its shoukd have been No
Post by: Clampy on January 02, 2021, 11:58:36 PM
Post by: amfy on January 03, 2021, 12:00:43 AM
I still think it was a penalty, and one that didn't need to happen. Luis is behind him and with arms on him before the clip.Watching it live I thought it was a nailed on pen. But having seen replays from various angles I now think it's obvious that Pogba makes contact with the back of Luiz's leg then trips himself up. The referee himself could of come to the same conclusion if he had used the available tech and gone over to the monitor. Piss poor from the ref and he's supposed to be our best one. God help us.
The difference is we wouldn't have been given it against them.
It’s piss poor from the VAR officials. The ref saw the same as everyone else, that it looked a penalty at first sight so there is no reason for him to ask to see it again. Without VAR it’s a penalty, but we have VAR & they should have DIRECTED him to take another look.
It does provide an interesting conversation about what a ‘clear and obvious error ‘ is though.
Is it when the referee has made a really bad call, or when someone has cheated really convincingly?
Post by: baddowvillans on January 03, 2021, 12:02:19 AM
Post by: The Edge on January 03, 2021, 12:05:02 AM
Your last point hits the nail on the head. Pogba cheated convincingly. I've been debating that pen all day. That description sums it up perfectly.I still think it was a penalty, and one that didn't need to happen. Luis is behind him and with arms on him before the clip.Watching it live I thought it was a nailed on pen. But having seen replays from various angles I now think it's obvious that Pogba makes contact with the back of Luiz's leg then trips himself up. The referee himself could of come to the same conclusion if he had used the available tech and gone over to the monitor. Piss poor from the ref and he's supposed to be our best one. God help us.
The difference is we wouldn't have been given it against them.
It’s piss poor from the VAR officials. The ref saw the same as everyone else, that it looked a penalty at first sight so there is no reason for him to ask to see it again. Without VAR it’s a penalty, but we have VAR & they should have DIRECTED him to take another look.
It does provide an interesting conversation about what a ‘clear and obvious error ‘ is though.
Is it when the referee has made a really bad call, or when someone has cheated really convincingly?
Post by: robbo1874 on January 03, 2021, 12:50:28 AM
Post by: aldridgeboy on January 03, 2021, 12:53:08 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/nMVstfz/0703-E4-E1-1534-4-FBF-8-CE1-D32-FB6-A4-A454.jpg) (https://ibb.co/nMVstfz)
Post by: robbo1874 on January 03, 2021, 12:59:26 AM
Post by: robbo1874 on January 03, 2021, 01:00:32 AM
Post by: robbo1874 on January 03, 2021, 01:01:55 AM
Should have been ****
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 03, 2021, 01:02:01 AM
Post by: Rory on January 03, 2021, 01:31:37 AM
I don't think any of us could genuinely be surprised by the idea of officials favouring Man Utd (and Liverpool, for that matter).
It would shock me to find out the officials aren't there to do everything they can to make sure the most marketable team wins.
Post by: robbo1874 on January 03, 2021, 01:35:21 AM
Post by: Rory on January 03, 2021, 01:56:39 AM
The anger is more because the penalty was more needed by them. I fkn hate them
Oh god, I cannot find the words to express the intensity with which I hate them.
I went to a school which was around 70% Man Utd plastics from 2000-2007. Somebody braver than me can look up our record against them in those years and imagine what countless Monday mornings were like.
'Hate' does not do it justice.
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on January 03, 2021, 08:00:28 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/nMVstfz/0703-E4-E1-1534-4-FBF-8-CE1-D32-FB6-A4-A454.jpg) (https://ibb.co/nMVstfz)
Big day out for the (shit) referee and his (shit) assistants!
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 03, 2021, 08:04:06 AM
The anger is more because the penalty was more needed by them. I fkn hate themYep. The intensity of our play that forced the equaliser was astounding, I thought they were for the taking.
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 03, 2021, 08:05:55 AM
so much for social distancing
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Big day out for the (shit) referee and his (shit) assistants!
Post by: Steve67 on January 03, 2021, 09:15:13 AM
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on January 03, 2021, 09:22:12 AM
so much for social distancing
(https://i.ibb.co/nMVstfz/0703-E4-E1-1534-4-FBF-8-CE1-D32-FB6-A4-A454.jpg) (https://ibb.co/nMVstfz)
Big day out for the (shit) referee and his (shit) assistants!
I wonder if the miserable old f-cker zoom called his friends at stockley park as well
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on January 03, 2021, 09:34:01 AM
I think the arms on him is what made them give it.
It's amazing then that more penalties are not awarded for "arms" on players at corners or long throw-ins (into the box), which happens in every single pl game, with players often going down because of the contact. It seems justification of that penalty is at scraping the barrel stage.
Post by: The Edge on January 03, 2021, 09:46:47 AM
What is Ferguson's official capacity at Man U? Nowhere else do you see former managers in attendance due to Covid restrictions.so much for social distancing
(https://i.ibb.co/nMVstfz/0703-E4-E1-1534-4-FBF-8-CE1-D32-FB6-A4-A454.jpg) (https://ibb.co/nMVstfz)
Big day out for the (shit) referee and his (shit) assistants!
I wonder if the miserable old f-cker zoom called his friends at stockley park as well
Edit:
I've just googled it and he's an honorary football director whatever that is so I suppose he gets to attend games. But fraternising with the officials like that just smacks of them still being starstruck by him even after all these years. His spectre still hangs over Old Trafford by the look of that photo and he's still influencing referees.
Post by: amfy on January 03, 2021, 10:12:50 AM
What is Ferguson's official capacity at Man U? Nowhere else do you see former managers in attendance due to Covid restrictions.so much for social distancing
(https://i.ibb.co/nMVstfz/0703-E4-E1-1534-4-FBF-8-CE1-D32-FB6-A4-A454.jpg) (https://ibb.co/nMVstfz)
Big day out for the (shit) referee and his (shit) assistants!
I wonder if the miserable old f-cker zoom called his friends at stockley park as well
Edit:
I've just googled it and he's an honorary football director whatever that is so I suppose he gets to attend games. But fraternising with the officials like that just smacks of them still being starstruck by him even after all these years. His spectre still hangs over Old Trafford by the look of that photo and he's still influencing referees.
We commented the same when he was shown on camera - what was he doing there? He is not essential staff for the game to take place. He was a spectator who could (& should) have watched from home, especially as he is in a vulnerable group.
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on January 03, 2021, 10:42:36 AM
Post by: The Edge on January 03, 2021, 10:46:33 AM
Exactly.What is Ferguson's official capacity at Man U? Nowhere else do you see former managers in attendance due to Covid restrictions.so much for social distancing
(https://i.ibb.co/nMVstfz/0703-E4-E1-1534-4-FBF-8-CE1-D32-FB6-A4-A454.jpg) (https://ibb.co/nMVstfz)
Big day out for the (shit) referee and his (shit) assistants!
I wonder if the miserable old f-cker zoom called his friends at stockley park as well
Edit:
I've just googled it and he's an honorary football director whatever that is so I suppose he gets to attend games. But fraternising with the officials like that just smacks of them still being starstruck by him even after all these years. His spectre still hangs over Old Trafford by the look of that photo and he's still influencing referees.
We commented the same when he was shown on camera - what was he doing there? He is not essential staff for the game to take place. He was a spectator who could (& should) have watched from home, especially as he is in a vulnerable group.
Post by: The Edge on January 03, 2021, 10:48:37 AM
He was wearing a mask in the stands (with empty seats all round him) but quite happy to take photos without one with the match officials. With matches being postponed due to covid outbreaks it will be interesting to see what happens when manurinal play l'pool in a few weeks.Do we know for sure that the photo was taken after Friday night's game and not just a stock image?
Post by: Risso on January 03, 2021, 10:52:50 AM
Do we know for sure that the photo was taken after Friday night's game and not just a stock image?
Exactly. We were playing in black, so that's not the kit the referees were wearing!
Post by: Deano's Mullet on January 03, 2021, 10:54:28 AM
Post by: Risso on January 03, 2021, 10:55:35 AM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on January 03, 2021, 10:58:28 AM
Edit: Bollocks, just seen Risso was a bit quicker in googling the obvious.
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on January 03, 2021, 11:11:56 AM
Post by: amfy on January 03, 2021, 11:46:23 AM
Cheers DM and LFS for putting me right.
I thought the point of the post was how pally he looked with officials in a generic way. I didn’t for one moment think this picture was from the other night - he looks years younger for a start.
Post by: robbo1874 on January 03, 2021, 11:59:38 AM
Post by: robbo1874 on January 03, 2021, 12:02:21 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 03, 2021, 12:40:39 PM
He was wearing a mask in the stands (with empty seats all round him) but quite happy to take photos without one with the match officials. With matches being postponed due to covid outbreaks it will be interesting to see what happens when manurinal play l'pool in a few weeks.
Picture was I think from May 2013 and his last game, 5-5 draw v the Stripeys. Just checked and Oliver reffed that day.
Saw a picture of DS from last season when he was watching the match halfway up the Trinity infront of directors box and Brian Little was in the first row (with a mask on). Ian Taylor usually puts out on Instagram the teams coming out before kick off so looks like clubs get special allowance to have a couple of club legends at the game still, Dalglish at Liverpool is another.
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 03, 2021, 12:42:44 PM
I think the arms on him is what made them give it.
It's amazing then that more penalties are not awarded for "arms" on players at corners or long throw-ins (into the box), which happens in every single pl game, with players often going down because of the contact. It seems justification of that penalty is at scraping the barrel stage.
You compared that to when Chelsea went up there two months back and Maguire rugby tackled a Chelsea player in the box as a cross was swung in. VAR didn't even do a proper check on it!
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/12113362/man-utd-0-0-chelsea-should-visitors-have-been-awarded-a-penalty
Post by: robbo1874 on January 03, 2021, 02:08:46 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 03, 2021, 02:20:52 PM
There’s got to be money changing hands. It’s so ingrained.Difficult to come up with another explanation when it happens so often.
Post by: Cliftonville Villlain on January 03, 2021, 02:32:18 PM
Post by: The Edge on January 03, 2021, 03:56:06 PM
I'd forgotten that one against Chelsea. It's scandalous that VAR looked at that and decided no penalty and that was against moneybags Chelsea so what chance has plucky little Aston Villa got of ever getting fairness from these crooks?I think the arms on him is what made them give it.
It's amazing then that more penalties are not awarded for "arms" on players at corners or long throw-ins (into the box), which happens in every single pl game, with players often going down because of the contact. It seems justification of that penalty is at scraping the barrel stage.
You compared that to when Chelsea went up there two months back and Maguire rugby tackled a Chelsea player in the box as a cross was swung in. VAR didn't even do a proper check on it!
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/12113362/man-utd-0-0-chelsea-should-visitors-have-been-awarded-a-penalty
Post by: tomd2103 on January 03, 2021, 06:11:46 PM
There’s got to be money changing hands. It’s so ingrained.
I wouldn't go that far, but Ferguson certainly built a culture of pressure on referees during his time there, which has continued somewhat with their ex-players being so prevalent on the broadcasting channels. It means decisions that don't go their way are constantly picked over, whereas decisions that do (like the other night) are just swept under the carpet.
It is more subtle now than when Ferguson blatantly used to intimidate officials and the FA, but it's still there.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on January 03, 2021, 06:37:13 PM
There’s got to be money changing hands. It’s so ingrained.
I wouldn't go that far, but Ferguson certainly built a culture of pressure on referees during his time there, which has continued somewhat with their ex-players being so prevalent on the broadcasting channels. It means decisions that don't go their way are constantly picked over, whereas decisions that do (like the other night) are just swept under the carpet.
It is more subtle now than when Ferguson blatantly used to intimidate officials and the FA, but it's still there.
But why always us? As I've mentioned, over 5 seasons Bournemouth beat them twice. Huddersfield, fucking Huddersfield, managed to beat them in their two season visit.
Season in, season out. That same old voodoo follows us about.
Post by: richtheholtender on January 03, 2021, 07:27:11 PM
Our record is horrific against them, which makes the need for at least a two goal lead against the f**kers so necessary because in every match against them, every time, without fail, as sure as night follows day they'll be awarded a penalty as soon as they come under pressure. With the ridiculous amount of times Villa being on the wrong end of VAR decisions by the very same refs, its not too much to ask for an impartial referee when we play them. Just once.
We’ve had two goal leads against them on so many occasions it’s not even funny
Post by: Astnor on January 03, 2021, 08:21:39 PM
Cause Bournemouth and Huddersfield and the likes goes there as underdogs, no expectaions /"nothing to loose mentality" and park the bus as you say whereas Aston Villa goes there as Aston Villa even expecting to get something as Aston Villa - expectaions bound to a long and proud history?There’s got to be money changing hands. It’s so ingrained.
I wouldn't go that far, but Ferguson certainly built a culture of pressure on referees during his time there, which has continued somewhat with their ex-players being so prevalent on the broadcasting channels. It means decisions that don't go their way are constantly picked over, whereas decisions that do (like the other night) are just swept under the carpet.
It is more subtle now than when Ferguson blatantly used to intimidate officials and the FA, but it's still there.
But why always us? As I've mentioned, over 5 seasons Bournemouth beat them twice. Huddersfield, fucking Huddersfield, managed to beat them in their two season visit.
Season in, season out. That same old voodoo follows us about.
Post by: tomd2103 on January 04, 2021, 12:15:16 AM
There’s got to be money changing hands. It’s so ingrained.
I wouldn't go that far, but Ferguson certainly built a culture of pressure on referees during his time there, which has continued somewhat with their ex-players being so prevalent on the broadcasting channels. It means decisions that don't go their way are constantly picked over, whereas decisions that do (like the other night) are just swept under the carpet.
It is more subtle now than when Ferguson blatantly used to intimidate officials and the FA, but it's still there.
But why always us? As I've mentioned, over 5 seasons Bournemouth beat them twice. Huddersfield, fucking Huddersfield, managed to beat them in their two season visit.
Season in, season out. That same old voodoo follows us about.
True, but for a good number of years the players often looked like they never really believed they could beat them and looked beaten before the game kicked off. Not just them either, our record against the so called 'big teams' was pretty horrendous, particularly at home.
Post by: robbo1874 on January 04, 2021, 04:09:21 AM
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 04, 2021, 05:52:06 AM
TOTTENHAM H - 1
EVERTON H - 3
MAN CITY A - 0
BURNLEY A - 3
SOUTHAMPTON A - 1
WEST HAM H - 3
ARSENAL H - 1
Post by: robbo1874 on January 04, 2021, 09:21:32 AM
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Post by: ChicagoLion on January 04, 2021, 09:39:53 AM
This made me laugh anyway. Thanks to my Liverpool supporting mate Stu, who always makes me laugh:dint work
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Post by: baddowvillans on January 04, 2021, 02:13:23 PM
Post by: baddowvillans on January 04, 2021, 02:13:54 PM
https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/12179134/ref-watch-right-to-award-man-utd-penalty
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 04, 2021, 02:19:47 PM
There’s got to be money changing hands. It’s so ingrained.
I wouldn't go that far, but Ferguson certainly built a culture of pressure on referees during his time there, which has continued somewhat with their ex-players being so prevalent on the broadcasting channels. It means decisions that don't go their way are constantly picked over, whereas decisions that do (like the other night) are just swept under the carpet.
It is more subtle now than when Ferguson blatantly used to intimidate officials and the FA, but it's still there.
But why always us? As I've mentioned, over 5 seasons Bournemouth beat them twice. Huddersfield, fucking Huddersfield, managed to beat them in their two season visit.
Season in, season out. That same old voodoo follows us about.
I read a few years ago that Everton had a worst overall record v Man. United than us in last 30 years as we had plenty of good results v them in early to mid 90s while Everton didn't.
Think Everton had won once at Old Trafford like we have. However they have won four home games v them since August 2012!
Very few teams win much at Old Trafford but to not beat them in a home game for 25 years when it's been played in 22 of those years pretty much defies the laws of physics compared to pretty much everyone else!