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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Legion on January 02, 2016, 04:48:23 PM
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Doomed.
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Not much you can say that hasn't already been said. This is without doubt the worst team we've ever had.
Garde? Hmm.
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Superlatives have been exhausted, this will go down as the worst Villa side in the history of the club.
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Still, at least that's the club Goal Of The Season wrapped up.
Shame about the rest of it.
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When Cattermole bosses the midfield you know it's the end of the road.
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We're down, I accept that we're down, it's fine, I'll get over it. But why do we have to just keep on losing, remorselessly, week after week after week? There are quite enough cherries on top of this shitcake already, why keep adding more?
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Sell and ship out as many of the ****** as possible in January and the summer.
Complete, 100% rebuild in the summer. Play the kids for the rest of the year, get some experience. There are about 3 players I'd think about keeping but if they fuck off too I wouldn't mind.
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Disgraceful.
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What's the point anymore? Why am I interested.
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The lack of fight and organisation augurs really well for next season too.
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Two must win games away to awful sides, we lose 2-0 and 3-1.
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I'm sorry but Guzan is the worst goalkeeper ever, Gestede is a fucking useless donkey. We're collectively an utter shambles. I cannot wait for this season to end. Not really sure how Garde is getting slaughtered for this. All of the goals were the result of terrible individual errors again.
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we need 25 new players
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Anyone fancy a mass burning of season tickets outside the north stand?
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Smashed.
A Zombie Club. I have never seen Villa in the 3rd Tier. I'm not confident that will remain the case.
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Sunderland are fucking shit, truly woeful, they play worse than us and yet they've taken 4 points off us scoring 5 goals along the way. And that is why we're rock bottom.
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At least this finally extinguishes all hope, and confirms what we already knew - that Villa really are that shit.
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Every single fucking one of the fuckers can fuck right off, from the useless ****** of a manager to the bald fucker in goal, to that fucking gangly useless twat up front. Fuck off, and don't come back.
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When was the last time a Sam Allardyce team scored 3?
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Randy Lerner - utterly incompetent.
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The spine of this side is just absolutely fucking shit. Truly shit.
Guzan, Lescott, Richards, Westwood, Gueye, Gestede, Bacuna - all absolutely shit.
It is just staggering to see that we are somehow still managing to avoid ever winning matches, not even a luckily scuffed in single goal of the game, absolutely staggering.
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I actually fucking feel sick right now. First time I've felt like that. I can feel the fucking rage building up inside. My hands are fucking shaking. I hate every fucking one of them. Passionless, talentless, characterless ****** the lot of them. Wish they'd all fuck off.
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You can't blame Garde as far as I'm concerned. You can't make a silk purse from a sow's ear. The squad is poor and rudderless.
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...and still another 5 months to endure...
I'd sooner we played the youth team now rather than these carthorses
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A win today would have kept me still thinking staying up was possible, but not anymore. The passage of play leading up to the third goal sums everything up - at times, clueless.
Allerdyce has them well trained in rough house tactics, which a lightweight team like ours just can't cope with.
Kozak seemed up for the fight, which is weeks too late.
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How many games has Garde been in charge now? 10? And we haven't even got close to winning one of them.
Not even a hint of a new manager bounce.
Simply unacceptable.
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When was the last time a Sam Allardyce team scored 3?
End of October.
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Well done Randy and co for strangling the life out of this club. I wont be wasting my hard earned on watching this shower of shite.
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Sell as many players as possible now. Get what you can for them, just get rid of as many as possible.
Play whatever's left and youth players til the end of the season.
At the end of the season, get rid of the shit that's left and let Garde build a team he wants.
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You can't blame Garde as far as I'm concerned. You can't make a silk purse from a sow's ear. The squad is poor and rudderless.
He's as clueless as Sherwood, and should never have got the job. You can't go from a pedestrian midfield with the likes of Sanchez and Westwood one week, to a completely different formation with Grealish and Gil the next. He hasn't made a jot of difference, so he may as well not be there.
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Every single fucking one of the fuckers can fuck right off, from the useless c*** of a manager to the bald fucker in goal, to that fucking gangly useless twat up front. Fuck off, and don't come back.
Don't forget the biggest cnut of all, that moronic wanker of an 'owner'
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How many games has Garde been in charge now? 10? And we haven't even got close to winning one of them.
Not even a hint of a new manager bounce.
Simply unacceptable.
He bounced the wrong way
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How many games has Garde been in charge now? 10? And we haven't even got close to winning one of them.
Not even a hint of a new manager bounce.
Simply unacceptable.
We have far bigger problems than the manager.
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Most consistent Villa side I've seen.
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We are not going to win a game this season.
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I could honestly cry. What a cracking goal from start to finish to equalize and we throw it away with a horrendous near post shot from that bum Defoe.
Guzan out, Garde out, Lerner out.
F--- this.
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Most consistent Villa side I've seen.
heh
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Every single fucking one of the fuckers can fuck right off, from the useless c*** of a manager to the bald fucker in goal, to that fucking gangly useless twat up front. Fuck off, and don't come back.
Don't forget the biggest cnut of all, that moronic wanker of an 'owner'
Oh I know, him and Fox are the true villains of the piece.
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You can't blame Garde as far as I'm concerned. You can't make a silk purse from a sow's ear. The squad is poor and rudderless.
He's as clueless as Sherwood, and should never have got the job. You can't go from a pedestrian midfield with the likes of Sanchez and Westwood one week, to a completely different formation with Grealish and Gil the next. He hasn't made a jot of difference, so he may as well not be there.
So many people whinged at him for not going for it, and today he did. We can't have it both ways, slaughter him when he's conservative and then slaughter him when he goes gung ho. The reality is that he can't do anything about Guzan being utter shit, and basically having no good defenders.
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You can't blame Garde as far as I'm concerned. You can't make a silk purse from a sow's ear. The squad is poor and rudderless.
He's as clueless as Sherwood, and should never have got the job. You can't go from a pedestrian midfield with the likes of Sanchez and Westwood one week, to a completely different formation with Grealish and Gil the next. He hasn't made a jot of difference, so he may as well not be there.
I suppose he's just trying different things with the limited resources available to him.
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Look on the bright side - at least they're only getting paid a paltry £30k a week to play like a bunch of gutless, cowardly,inadequate fucking cart horses.
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How many games has Garde been in charge now? 10? And we haven't even got close to winning one of them.
Not even a hint of a new manager bounce.
Simply unacceptable.
We have far bigger problems than the manager.
Indeed, there's only one real shit responsible for all this and he needs to know never to come anywhere near VP again
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Sunderland are fucking shit, truly woeful, they play worse than us and yet they've taken 4 points off us scoring 5 goals along the way. And that is why we're rock bottom.
Too true. The next shittest team in the division and we've rolled over for them.
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Outdone by Sam's professional cloggers. We have to learn to play the same way instead of being powder puff players. Totally unacceptable performance against a team with less skill than Villa but more versed in the arts of stopping the other team at any cost. Of course a decent referee would have helped, but not saved the Villa.
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It's OK for you lot. I have to text scores to my brother in rural China..that hurts.
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How many games has Garde been in charge now? 10? And we haven't even got close to winning one of them.
Not even a hint of a new manager bounce.
Simply unacceptable.
He bounced the wrong way
He bounced like a 42lb cannon ball bounces of a stud wall.
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You can't blame Garde as far as I'm concerned. You can't make a silk purse from a sow's ear. The squad is poor and rudderless.
He inherited a mess, but if anything, we are now arguably worse than when he took over. Okore and Lescott were looking like a decent partnership, yet for probably the two most important games of the season, he changes the centre halves. I was firmly in support of him staying on no matter what happens this season, but I'm losing faith by the week.
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Lerner needs to refund every Villa fan that went up there today.
That was a truly awful display from overpaid and utterly useless fuckwits.
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Indeed, there's only one real shit responsible for all this and he needs to know never to come anywhere near VP again
That isn't going to be a problem for Lerner I suspect.
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Boooooooooooooo. Fucking rubbish.
Hutton at right back still, fucking rubbish
Lescott instead of Okore, fucking rubbish
Gueyes ''workrate'' fucking rubbish
Gil, fucking rubbish
Grealish, ponce, poser and fucking rubbish, heart of a peanut
Gestede, comedy clown of a player, fucking rubbish
Guzan, reflexes of a wooly mammoth, fucking rubbish
No subs at half time, Remi, fucking rubbish, about as exciting as a Jehova Witness knocking at your door.
Gestede playing a full 90, fucking rubbish
Not shocking, because this is our week in week out effort. Some of those corners we take, fucking rubbish, you would have to practice to be that bad at them.
The whole club is bollocksed at the moment. Fox, building something special? Taking us for fucking mugs you gormless fuck wit, fucking rubbish.
These lot have been found out, absolute amateurs the lot of them.
As for Lerner, fucking rubbish is too good a description for him, the wantaway chairman? You sure? One month he's reenergised and enjoying things, the next he is hurting, the next he's back in it and a trip to Wembley, then he wants out again. Fucking brain dead human being, someone put a hit on this ****** and remove him.
All in all, complete Aston Villa again, everyone bar one of two are a shit stain on our good name. Disgusting club right now. Sorry for my language but I've had a bastard enough.
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I think Garde must be thinking 'what the ****" but he must have known what players we've got before he took the job.
I don't know what to think. I can't see us getting anything else this season. We're just fodder.
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Look on the bright side - at least they're only getting paid a paltry £30k a week to play like a bunch of gutless, cowardly,inadequate fucking cart horses.
actually, I apologise unreservedly to cart horses, they are useful and noble animals.
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How many games has Garde been in charge now? 10? And we haven't even got close to winning one of them.
Not even a hint of a new manager bounce.
Simply unacceptable.
We have far bigger problems than the manager.
Indeed, there's only one real shit responsible for all this and he needs to know never to come anywhere near VP again
That won't be a problem for him - has he been anywhere near VP in the last 2 years?
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I have no gripe with Garde at all.
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I thought we'd win today. Clearly in denial.
But that's the last of the dying embers for me.
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I'm not blamimg Garde yet, he can only work with the utter shit he has and its obvious Richards has a clause that says he has to play CB if fit. Puzzled with Gestede getting a game mind you.
Its what he does now with the window, who he bombs off and who he brings in ready for the Championship next season, the tactics frkm now should purely be designed so that the team hits the ground running in August, this league well and truly gone so start preparing now, not June.
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Our managers get simply worse ........ we have no clue at all
Time for Garde to go back to France .....we are a championship side at best
Get Nigel Pearson in on Monday and give him 2 transfer windows to get us ready for next season
This year is over - can't be bothered to use my season ticket rest of the season !
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I do not recognise ANYTHING about this club anymore that says it is Aston Villa.
Every single player is a mercenary c unt, every single one. I honestly cannot find a good word to say about any one of our players.
The manager is out of his depth. He started at a low point and we are now a worse team than when he came in.
The leadership team. Fox, Lerner and the hangers on. I can't find the words to describe my contempt for these people. Suffice to say they have killed the club and deserve every bit of shit that is coming their way.
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were still only 11 points from safety
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Aston Villa...the only team in the world capable of making Lee Cattermole look like Andrea Pirlo.
Truly shocking from everyone (except maybe Gana) and I have a sneaking suspicion that we may get relegated this season :o
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The whole situation is a fucking mess but let's not forget we'd lost 7 on the trot under that absolute chancer Sherwood. The squad is shit and worse than that completely devoid of confidence and belief.
He plays a solid lineup, he gets lambasted, we say it's a must-win game and we should go all out, he gets lambasted. Yes he's responsible ultimately for getting the best out of his team but he's been here 10 games, yet we put up with 3 years of Lambert being absolutely hopeless.
I'd like to see Garde given the opportunity to build HIS side, this is not his side and he's probably as powerless and frustrated as the rest of us.
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were still only 11 points from safety
Stop.
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Boooooooooooooo. Fucking rubbish.
Hutton at right back still, fucking rubbish
Lescott instead of Okore, fucking rubbish
Gueyes ''workrate'' fucking rubbish
Gil, fucking rubbish
Grealish, ponce, poser and fucking rubbish, heart of a peanut
Gestede, comedy clown of a player, fucking rubbish
Guzan, reflexes of a wooly mammoth, fucking rubbish
No subs at half time, Remi, fucking rubbish, about as exciting as a Jehova Witness knocking at your door.
Gestede playing a full 90, fucking rubbish...
What about the rest of the team?
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Another shameful capitulation. Fuck the lot of 'em.
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It's OK for you lot. I have to text scores to my brother in rural China..that hurts.
You could lie to him and give him a bit of respite. Tell him we won 2-0 with Hepburn-murphy getting both and he looks a real find.
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I do not recognise ANYTHING about this club anymore that says it is Aston Villa.
Every single player is a mercenary c unt, every single one. I honestly cannot find a good word to say about any one of our players.
The manager is out of his depth. He started at a low point and we are now a worse team than when he came in.
The leadership team. Fox, Lerner and the hangers on. I can't find the words to describe my contempt for these people. Suffice to say they have killed the club and deserve every bit of shit that is coming their way.
Thankyou Andy. That sums it up perfectly for me too.
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I almost have a sense of relief
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You reckon it can't get any worse, we have the mighty Chairboys in the Cup next week live on TV.
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I'm not blamimg Garde yet, he can only work with the utter shit he has and its obvious Richards has a clause that says he has to play CB if fit. Puzzled with Gestede getting a game mind you.
Its what he does now with the window, who he bombs off and who he brings in ready for the Championship next season, the tactics frkm now should purely be designed so that the team hits the ground running in August, this league well and truly gone so start preparing now, not June.
Any decent player wouldn't come to B6 if they saw today's game. Only those like Lescott looking for a last decent payday would be interested.
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I'm not blamimg Garde yet, he can only work with the utter shit he has and its obvious Richards has a clause that says he has to play CB if fit. Puzzled with Gestede getting a game mind you.
Its what he does now with the window, who he bombs off and who he brings in ready for the Championship next season, the tactics frkm now should purely be designed so that the team hits the ground running in August, this league well and truly gone so start preparing now, not June.
I wouldn't be surprised if his contract says he has to play centre back considering some of the daft deals given out by this clueless lot.
I still can't get what context 'false narrative' means.
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There's zero point blaming Garde - when he turned up we had won 1, drawn 1 and lost 8 matches.
With our decent - useless ratio of approximately 1 decent player for every 10 donkeys, there was just no way that was going to get turned around any time soon.
Guzan
Okore
Bacuna
Richardson
Richards
Clark
Hutton
Lescott
Where is the decent defence out of that lot?
There isn't one. That's why even when we manage to fashion good things, whether it be decent play or actual goals, it is all so fucking pointless because we give goals away so fucking pathetically.
The passage of play - and i am talking over about a minute here - leading up to their third goal, for example, was some of the most pathetic "football" I've seen from a Premier League side in a very long time.
It's so bad, it is laughable.
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I really wanted Garde to work. I don't think this is the club for him, not at this time anyway.
And Traore and Gil getting booked and the former getting injured about five minutes after pulling us temporarily out of the shit? Nobody up there likes us. When you're nailed on relegated, nothing goes right.
And Guzan, Richards, Gestede, Lescott? Leave your passes at the door on the way out, you bunch of stinking, cretinous buboes.
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I have finally come around to accepting the fact that I am now in agreement that this is the worst Villa side in the history of my Villa supporting career. I'm sixty-seven and have seen some right doozies.
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Really doesn't matter anyone. Discussing how shit we are is like discussing how black a black hole is. It's beyond understanding to us laymen. I'd like to go to sleep and wake up at fulltime after the final game in May because we're in limbo till then. A pox on Lerner, Ellis for selling to the joker and all the other shady characters who've played their part. Ignore, enjoy or just laugh for the reason of the season, Don't take it serious though.
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We are so beyond shit, there needs to be a new word invented for our overall 90+ minutes performances. We even throw the ball to them, the very basic stuff is something that this lot just cannot grasp.
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As much as most of our players are a joke, the referee was as well. Pushes in the back all through the game and as for the incident with Gill.
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On the basis that it's the hope that kills you, I can now safely predict that Villa fans need not take out a funeral plan in 2016.
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I now want relegation confirmed as soon as possible. So much needs to be done to try and get us even competitive in the Championship.
We simply have to get back straight away to limit the damage being out of the Premier League.
Sadly. I wouldn't put money on a short stay in that league.
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Fire sale most of the team. Let the kids play out the season. Nothing will change until TAC goes. If you think it's bad now, I fear we Ain't seen nothing yet. This club is going to trapdoor and teabag down the leagues.
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How do you put a poll on here?
Worst Owner ever at a club in Birmgham?
* Lerner
* Carson Young
Who has done the most damage?
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I'd start by making Veretout captain, fuck me it looks like the poor kid in his first season in England is the only one who gives a shit (along with Ayew), try to build a solid defensive partnership (yeah I know) and we absolutely must find someone to come in as a striker. Perhaps once the likely becomes inevitable some of the pressure will be off and we can start rebuilding.
Today feels like we've hit bottom, I truly fucking hope so.
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You reckon it can't get any worse, we have the mighty Chairboys in the Cup next week live on TV.
I would imagine Wycombe won't want us resting our "First XI".
In fact, I don't know if we have 11 players capable of beating a League two side.
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I thought we'd win today. Clearly in denial.
But that's the last of the dying embers for me.
Pre Xmas I thought we would win 2 out of the three but after the Norwich game I knew we would lose today. I am now past disappointment phase and into very angry phase.
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Garde should not be in this job.
A Pulis, Allardyce or Moyes would have an organised team who would fight for 0-0's or 1-0's.
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Fox the puppet and Lerner are totally to blame. Appointing a softly spoken Frenchman to save us when we still had an outside chance of surviving was an absolute joke!
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Doomed.
(http://oi30.tinypic.com/2rggu2a.jpg)
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I have finally come around to accepting the fact that I am now in agreement that this is the worst Villa side in the history of my Villa supporting career. I'm sixty-seven and have seen some right doozies.
Doozies - not the word I'm using Dave
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It's no longer the going down bit that is getting at me, it's the thought of another half a season to go.
I just wish I had the ability to hibernate.
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There's zero point blaming Garde - when he turned up we had won 1, drawn 1 and lost 8 matches.
With our decent - useless ratio of approximately 1 decent player for every 10 donkeys, there was just no way that was going to get turned around any time soon.
Guzan
Okore
Bacuna
Richardson
Richards
Clark
Hutton
Lescott
Where is the decent defence out of that lot?
There isn't one. That's why even when we manage to fashion good things, whether it be decent play or actual goals, it is all so fucking pointless because we give goals away so fucking pathetically.
The passage of play - and i am talking over about a minute here - leading up to their third goal, for example, was some of the most pathetic "football" I've seen from a Premier League side in a very long time.
It's so bad, it is laughable.
It was W1 D1 L9 when Garde joined. He was just in the stands as a spectator at Spurs iirc.
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Okey - Blaming Garde for this? - it is that fucking team of players that is at fault
Again, we start tactically good (like before), and then we start making problems for ourselves. Risso - you ask me what has he done? - We have started most game tactically pretty good, and get undone by fucking player mistakes - and then the rest of the bunch goes to piece.
We are not disciplined enough, and the others know that.
Gil and Grealish DID NOT IMPROVE US, but we have a very weak team. Hutton - there is a fucking reason he got an anger management certificate in secret santa.
Today we started well - yet then we have poor individuals - is that the managers fault? He is picking the best of a bad bunch - Traore? Apparently there were fitness issues, as he was subbed due to the same. Maybe - JUST MAYBE - the manager knows more than we do?
The Bacuna throw in tells our season in one move - how the fuck has the manager any clue about that? It is starting to look like players are sabotaging the club.
I am weeping - this is fucking horrible - but lets point where it is needed: (Fucking top management - Tom Fox get the fuck out of here, Players - do your work - Lerner - Sell......)
Veretout who was slated is our best player with Ayew. So who ever is slating our scouting department should think again. It is the mentality of the squad - Is it real enough for the rest to stop, just because Lerner is a fucking clown? - for me no! I have worked for an idiot - but I still pulled my weight - and so should the players.
Fucking ridiculous
Edit: sorry for my faulty grammar - this was typed while being very emotional.
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Garde should not be in this job.
A Pulis, Allardyce or Moyes would have an organised team who would fight for 0-0's or 1-0's.
Moyes? Really?
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We are not going to win a game this season.
Judging by that display, I'm amazed we even got eight points this season.
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It's the countless unforced mistakes that are killing us, and that's either just poor coaching or players who don't give a shit. We'd just scored, got a bit of confidence back, the crowd were urging the team on, then the first thing that happens is that Veretout woefully passes it out for a throw in as we were on the attack again. Countless mishit passes, throw ins straight to them, and numerous other school boy errors culminating in the last two minutes of utter shambolic play, where we looked like we were actually trying to score the goal for them.
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I'm apoplectic. Why do I torture myself every fucking weekend? 2015 was utterly lousy even with that semi final. It wasn't worth it, not by a long chalk. Having to wait for the inevitable is awful, like waiting for test results you know are going to be bad.
Please, just get on with life in the Championship. Play some kids, play a different formation, anything - it's mentally killing us.
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Garde has done fuck all. Shit team, maybe, but he's made absolutely no improvements to it - don't give me any " we did well for half an hour against West Ham..... We've been unlucky...." He's had 9 games and we're just as absolutely shite as we've ever been. He can fuck off for all I care. I heard his interview today, talking about how footballers need to be winners. Put a southern accent on his bullshit and it's Sherwood talking. lerner's fault, but Garde is not the man.
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I have finally come around to accepting the fact that I am now in agreement that this is the worst Villa side in the history of my Villa supporting career. I'm sixty-seven and have seen some right doozies.
Certainly is the worst in my time and clearly the worst side we have ever had.
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I'm apoplectic. Why do I torture myself every fucking weekend? 2015 was utterly lousy even with that semi final. It wasn't worth it, not by a long chalk. Having to wait for the inevitable is awful, like waiting for test results you know are going to be bad.
Please, just get on with life in the Championship. Play some kids, play a different formation, anything - it's mentally killing us.
So, just out of interest, which kids would you play and for who?
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I can see the atmosphere at our remaining home games being very poisonous.
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We go 1-1 and seemed to change tactics.Garde being cautious? And Kozak any day of the week over Rudy.
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Obviously questions are being asked about Garde, and so they should be.
Yes, he inherited a basket case, yes the damage was probably already done and maybe we were/are beyond redemption.
But, there he been so little improvement since he came, we still have no idea whether he is the right man for the job.
Do we risk the fact he might not be upto the task of building a team capable of getting us back up?
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It's the countless unforced mistakes that are killing us, and that's either just poor coaching or players who don't give a shit. We'd just scored, got a bit of confidence back, the crowd were urging the team on, then the first thing that happens is that Veretout woefully passes it out for a throw in as we were on the attack again. Countless mishit passes, throw ins straight to them, and numerous other school boy errors culminating in the last two minutes of utter shambolic play, where we looked like we were actually trying to score the goal for them.
Risso - you have asked why I think Remi is "our solution" (or whatever) - you can't blame a manager for fucking idiotic mistakes - nobody plans them - we should have done better - but we have started as a football team should, doing okey, and then we fuck it up...Don't blame the manager for the players doing personal errors
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I thought for much of the game we weren't that much worse than Sunderland. A lightweght midfield against a Fat Sam side was always going to be a gamble.
Miss Haversham, the transfer window is open. Time to ante up.
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19 league games without a win, another 18 league games to go before the agony is over, had enough of this fuckin shit, very upset tonight.
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Garde is done for. There's no way he can survive another 5 months of this and magically have the slate wiped clean. Not his fault at all, but he was badly advised coming here
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It's the countless unforced mistakes that are killing us, and that's either just poor coaching or players who don't give a shit. We'd just scored, got a bit of confidence back, the crowd were urging the team on, then the first thing that happens is that Veretout woefully passes it out for a throw in as we were on the attack again. Countless mishit passes, throw ins straight to them, and numerous other school boy errors culminating in the last two minutes of utter shambolic play, where we looked like we were actually trying to score the goal for them.
Risso - you have asked why I think Remi is "our solution" (or whatever) - you can't blame a manager for fucking idiotic mistakes - nobody plans them - we should have done better - but we have started as a football team should, doing okey, and then we fuck it up...Don't blame the manager for the players doing personal errors
Why does he persist with Guzan, why does he play Gestede at all? I'm sorry Edvard, but he's been just as bad as Sherwood. There's nothing you can point to and say "he's improved that."
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Okey - Blaming Garde for this? - it is that fucking team of players that is at fault
Again, we start tactically good (like before), and then we start making problems for ourselves. Risso - you ask me what has he done? - We have started most game tactically pretty good, and get undone by fucking player mistakes - and then the rest of the bunch goes to piece.
We are not disciplined enough, and the others know that.
Gil and Grealish DID NOT IMPROVE US, but we have a very weak team. Hutton - there is a fucking reason he got an anger management certificate in secret santa.
Today we started well - yet then we have poor individuals - is that the managers fault? He is picking the best of a bad bunch - Traore? Apparently there were fitness issues, as he was subbed due to the same. Maybe - JUST MAYBE - the manager knows more than we do?
The Bacuna throw in tells our season in one move - how the fuck has the manager any clue about that? It is starting to look like players are sabotaging the club.
I am weeping - this is fucking horrible - but lets point where it is needed: (Fucking top management - Tom Fox get the fuck out of here, Players - do your work - Lerner - Sell......)
Veretout who was slated is our best player with Ayew. So who ever is slating our scouting department should think again. It is the mentality of the squad - Is it real enough for the rest to stop, just because Lerner is a fucking clown? - for me no! I have worked for an idiot - but I still pulled my weight - and so should the players.
Fucking ridiculous
Edit: sorry for my faulty grammar - this was typed while being very emotional.
Did you work for an invisible idiot who took bugger-all interest in the company (after he'd put it up for sale) though?
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Trying again (not being an apologetic) - the squad is pretty crap. There is no magic fix. Remi Garde didn't do this - but I think he is trying to do what he can with that pile of shit. Won't go into matters of mentioning who
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They're a disgrace every single one of them the whole club it rotten to the core and they deserve all the abuse they get. This is only going to get worse with some of the teams we have left to play and now the players know there it nothing to play for I can see some really heavy defeats. I think this will carry on into next season as well, this losing mentality will be hard to shake, the Championship is a hard league and I think we will struggle, it's going to be a long way back from this.
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Garde should not be in this job.
A Pulis, Allardyce or Moyes would have an organised team who would fight for 0-0's or 1-0's.
Moyes? Really?
Yep all of those could have been our manager. We end up with Garde and we will end up in the Championship.
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The new chairman will be here soon. That'll make a difference. 😙
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OK let's sell off who we can although most of them are worth feck all and let's look at some players from the championship who know how to go into battle because none of these are going to handle next season they've got no bollocks, how about taking this lot to the sty next season !
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It's the countless unforced mistakes that are killing us, and that's either just poor coaching or players who don't give a shit. We'd just scored, got a bit of confidence back, the crowd were urging the team on, then the first thing that happens is that Veretout woefully passes it out for a throw in as we were on the attack again. Countless mishit passes, throw ins straight to them, and numerous other school boy errors culminating in the last two minutes of utter shambolic play, where we looked like we were actually trying to score the goal for them.
Risso - you have asked why I think Remi is "our solution" (or whatever) - you can't blame a manager for fucking idiotic mistakes - nobody plans them - we should have done better - but we have started as a football team should, doing okey, and then we fuck it up...Don't blame the manager for the players doing personal errors
Why does he persist with Guzan, why does he play Gestede at all? I'm sorry Edvard, but he's been just as bad as Sherwood. There's nothing you can point to and say "he's improved that."
Come on! He could take a punt on Kozak, who was brilliant today. Or take a 3rd keeper - that was not used in many years?
It is so easy to fin 100 people saying what is wrong, yet so difficult getting 1 saying what is correct
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Garde is now tainted. New owner, new players and new management. Is the only way.
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Okey - Blaming Garde for this? - it is that fucking team of players that is at fault
Again, we start tactically good (like before), and then we start making problems for ourselves. Risso - you ask me what has he done? - We have started most game tactically pretty good, and get undone by fucking player mistakes - and then the rest of the bunch goes to piece.
We are not disciplined enough, and the others know that.
Gil and Grealish DID NOT IMPROVE US, but we have a very weak team. Hutton - there is a fucking reason he got an anger management certificate in secret santa.
Today we started well - yet then we have poor individuals - is that the managers fault? He is picking the best of a bad bunch - Traore? Apparently there were fitness issues, as he was subbed due to the same. Maybe - JUST MAYBE - the manager knows more than we do?
The Bacuna throw in tells our season in one move - how the fuck has the manager any clue about that? It is starting to look like players are sabotaging the club.
I am weeping - this is fucking horrible - but lets point where it is needed: (Fucking top management - Tom Fox get the fuck out of here, Players - do your work - Lerner - Sell......)
Veretout who was slated is our best player with Ayew. So who ever is slating our scouting department should think again. It is the mentality of the squad - Is it real enough for the rest to stop, just because Lerner is a fucking clown? - for me no! I have worked for an idiot - but I still pulled my weight - and so should the players.
Fucking ridiculous
Edit: sorry for my faulty grammar - this was typed while being very emotional.
Did you work for an invisible idiot who took bugger-all interest in the company (after he'd put it up for sale) though?
This is internal fun - but yes I did - I was manager at a company that he put of for sale, and wanted only his profit... So YES - and us in the buffer between management and middle management made the company profitable, as we had respect for the whole institution, including all employees.
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One of our worst players is our captain. Shame the gobshite didn't excerpt his energy on the pitch and lead by example, instead of gobbing off to every Tom, Dick and Harry that will listen.
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Garde, a cheese eating surrender monkey. This appointment was never going to work and can only have been made for one reason. He's cheap to employ. Left his previous job in France for personal reasons and hints that he couldn't take the pressure. Nothing to be ashamed of but not a glowing endorsement to get a job at the Arse end of the premier league is it.
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Garde looks like a guppy in a tank of piranhas
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The only positive I can draw from today is that I was at home suffering that shit & hadn't forked-out a small fortune to witness that in the flesh. Every single one of them should be reimbursed & given a gong for their efforts. They,re the very antithesis of the so-called football club they loyally support.
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Garde should not be in this job.
A Pulis, Allardyce or Moyes would have an organised team who would fight for 0-0's or 1-0's.
Moyes? Really?
Feck me, you're turning your nose up to Moyes? You honestly think he couldn't have done a better job than this French joker we have? Ha!
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I do wonder if we can wipe the slate clean with Garde. I mean, he must know in his bones that nothing's going to keep us out of the Championship, yet he's got five months to try and prove there are some shoots of recovery there. He's said he'll stay if (when, now) we're relegated but if we don't get at least a couple of wins (or even fluke them), do we all think we'll still be better off with him in charge?
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Garde, a cheese eating surrender monkey. This appointment was never going to work and can only have been made for one reason. He's cheap to employ. Left his previous job in France for personal reasons and hints that he couldn't take the pressure. Nothing to be ashamed of but not a glowing endorsement to get a job at the Arse end of the premier league is it.
That is despicable - So compared to the others he replaced he is " a cheese eating surrendering monkey"? Get a grip. I am angry, and disappointed - yet this type of throw in the towel is out of order. Is it the managers fault a player throws a ball to the other team?
FFS
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Randy must have laid bets on AV going down in order to get his money back. Only thing I can think.
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Garde, a cheese eating surrender monkey. This appointment was never going to work and can only have been made for one reason. He's cheap to employ. Left his previous job in France for personal reasons and hints that he couldn't take the pressure. Nothing to be ashamed of but not a glowing endorsement to get a job at the Arse end of the premier league is it.
That is despicable - So compared to the others he replaced he is " a cheese eating surrendering monkey"? Get a grip. I am angry, and disappointed - yet this type of throw in the towel is out of order. Is it the managers fault a player throws a ball to the other team?
FFS
We may as well have kept Sherwood then.
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We're probably down now unless there's a miracle. In my opinion our last chance was lost when we turned our nose up to Moyes, but then again he'd have demanded a transfer/wage budget worthy of a club like Aston Villa and probably wouldn't have took the job.
What a shitfest Randy has turned us into. Shame on you.
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Garde should not be in this job.
A Pulis, Allardyce or Moyes would have an organised team who would fight for 0-0's or 1-0's.
Moyes? Really?
Feck me, you're turning your nose up to Moyes? You honestly think he couldn't have done a better job than this French joker we have? Ha!
Didn't do much in his last job did he? Personally I can't stand him either.
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I can see the atmosphere at our remaining home games being very poisonous.
Good, it's about time it turned. The unrelenting support the team has received whilst basically slapping their balls off the heads of the paying customers as they put minimal effort in on the pitch and the training ground cannot go on. There's no anger, direction or standards set by those at the top so it should come from the support. Let those fuckers know exactly what we think of them.
I cant think of a single Villa player I like. I wouldn't shed a tear if they were all sold tomorrow, not a single one.
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Down. We won't win again this season.
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He comes across as a decent man. If he'd been dealt a better hand it could have been different, but he deffo didn't realise what a basket-case we are. I sort of hope they put him out of his misery, stick a caretaker manager in to steer us to relegation and start again in the summer when a new experienced manager should be given a free reign to stamp his mark on the club. You're gonna need a strong personality in charge to sort this mess out
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We're probably down now unless there's a miracle. In my opinion our last chance was lost when we turned our nose up to Moyes, but then again he'd have demanded a transfer/wage budget worthy of a club like Aston Villa and probably wouldn't have took the job.
What a shitfest Randy has turned us into. Shame on you.
Lerner is scum mate. Never have I seen someone completely abdicate responsibility for a club the way this charlatan has, you can see why he was mates with Colonel Blinky, fakes the pair of them.
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Garde should not be in this job.
A Pulis, Allardyce or Moyes would have an organised team who would fight for 0-0's or 1-0's.
Moyes? Really?
Feck me, you're turning your nose up to Moyes? You honestly think he couldn't have done a better job than this French joker we have? Ha!
I am getting fed up listening to your posts (they are everywhere - so no - I can't ignore) - Things are bad - but FFS - do you get off blaming everyone?
I think we all know we are in deep shit - and the core problem is the owner. But until then - how about calm down? You will not change shit by complaining and talking like that.
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Garde should not be in this job.
A Pulis, Allardyce or Moyes would have an organised team who would fight for 0-0's or 1-0's.
Moyes? Really?
Feck me, you're turning your nose up to Moyes? You honestly think he couldn't have done a better job than this French joker we have? Ha!
Didn't do much in his last job did he? Personally I can't stand him either.
Nor did Ranieri. There aren't any guarantees in football, but Moyes has had far more good seasons than he's had bad ones, and I think (although obviously can't prove) that he'd have done a better job than Garde. He wouldn't have done any worse, that's for sure.
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Garde should not be in this job.
A Pulis, Allardyce or Moyes would have an organised team who would fight for 0-0's or 1-0's.
Moyes? Really?
Feck me, you're turning your nose up to Moyes? You honestly think he couldn't have done a better job than this French joker we have? Ha!
Didn't do much in his last job did he? Personally I can't stand him either.
I'm not gonna judge him entirely on his last job which lasted just a few months in a foreign land. He knows the PL though and is a bloody good manager. Look further than the end of your nose for goodness sake.
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Black balloons to be let off from the Holte every home game
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Read that the players have received chants of "you're not fit to wear the shirt" as they got on the team bus
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Garde, a cheese eating surrender monkey. This appointment was never going to work and can only have been made for one reason. He's cheap to employ. Left his previous job in France for personal reasons and hints that he couldn't take the pressure. Nothing to be ashamed of but not a glowing endorsement to get a job at the Arse end of the premier league is it.
That is despicable - So compared to the others he replaced he is " a cheese eating surrendering monkey"? Get a grip. I am angry, and disappointed - yet this type of throw in the towel is out of order. Is it the managers fault a player throws a ball to the other team?
FFS
We may as well have kept Sherwood then.
For me - not really , because I am seeing tactical things that are an improvement (not result wise, i might add).
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Black balloons to be let off from the Holte every home game
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I like this!!
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Okey - Blaming Garde for this? - it is that fucking team of players that is at fault
Again, we start tactically good (like before), and then we start making problems for ourselves. Risso - you ask me what has he done? - We have started most game tactically pretty good, and get undone by fucking player mistakes - and then the rest of the bunch goes to piece.
We are not disciplined enough, and the others know that.
Gil and Grealish DID NOT IMPROVE US, but we have a very weak team. Hutton - there is a fucking reason he got an anger management certificate in secret santa.
Today we started well - yet then we have poor individuals - is that the managers fault? He is picking the best of a bad bunch - Traore? Apparently there were fitness issues, as he was subbed due to the same. Maybe - JUST MAYBE - the manager knows more than we do?
The Bacuna throw in tells our season in one move - how the fuck has the manager any clue about that? It is starting to look like players are sabotaging the club.
I am weeping - this is fucking horrible - but lets point where it is needed: (Fucking top management - Tom Fox get the fuck out of here, Players - do your work - Lerner - Sell......)
Veretout who was slated is our best player with Ayew. So who ever is slating our scouting department should think again. It is the mentality of the squad - Is it real enough for the rest to stop, just because Lerner is a fucking clown? - for me no! I have worked for an idiot - but I still pulled my weight - and so should the players.
Fucking ridiculous
Edit: sorry for my faulty grammar - this was typed while being very emotional.
Did you work for an invisible idiot who took bugger-all interest in the company (after he'd put it up for sale) though?
This is internal fun - but yes I did - I was manager at a company that he put of for sale, and wanted only his profit... So YES - and us in the buffer between management and middle management made the company profitable, as we had respect for the whole institution, including all employees.
You evidently had the advantage of having a capable staff who were able to perform well regardless. The Villa have none & the employees have become as inadequate & unmotivated as the cretin who runs the show from afar. And it's been like that for fucking years.
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Can't wait for Mr Fox's next statement.
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Championship next season and unless we get a buyer we could be there for many seasons. Feel for the fans who made the trip.
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Garde should not be in this job.
A Pulis, Allardyce or Moyes would have an organised team who would fight for 0-0's or 1-0's.
Moyes? Really?
Feck me, you're turning your nose up to Moyes? You honestly think he couldn't have done a better job than this French joker we have? Ha!
I am getting fed up listening to your posts (they are everywhere - so no - I can't ignore) - Things are bad - but FFS - do you get off blaming everyone?
I think we all know we are in deep shit - and the core problem is the owner. But until then - how about calm down? You will not change shit by complaining and talking like that.
I'm not blaming everyone, I'm blaming one man.
Ignore my posts if you want. I usually ignore yours.
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Garde, a cheese eating surrender monkey. This appointment was never going to work and can only have been made for one reason. He's cheap to employ. Left his previous job in France for personal reasons and hints that he couldn't take the pressure. Nothing to be ashamed of but not a glowing endorsement to get a job at the Arse end of the premier league is it.
That is despicable - So compared to the others he replaced he is " a cheese eating surrendering monkey"? Get a grip. I am angry, and disappointed - yet this type of throw in the towel is out of order. Is it the managers fault a player throws a ball to the other team?
FFS
We do not need to use racially disparaging remarks. This forum should not accept that despite our deep disappointment and anger.
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Can't wait for Mr Fox's next statement.
Something special no doubt.
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Championship next season and unless we get a buyer we could be there for many seasons. Feel for the fans who made the trip.
I hope we are there for a few seasons because in my opinion we'll carry on losing next season too.
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Can't wait for Mr Fox's next statement.
I bet it won't start with "I am resigning immediately"
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Garde, a cheese eating surrender monkey. This appointment was never going to work and can only have been made for one reason. He's cheap to employ. Left his previous job in France for personal reasons and hints that he couldn't take the pressure. Nothing to be ashamed of but not a glowing endorsement to get a job at the Arse end of the premier league is it.
That is despicable - So compared to the others he replaced he is " a cheese eating surrendering monkey"? Get a grip. I am angry, and disappointed - yet this type of throw in the towel is out of order. Is it the managers fault a player throws a ball to the other team?
FFS
We may as well have kept Sherwood then.
For me - not really , because I am seeing tactical things that are an improvement (not result wise, i might add).
You're imagining things then Edvard with all respect. The last two matches have been absolutely dire and at least as bad as anything Sherwood served up.
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Okey - Blaming Garde for this? - it is that fucking team of players that is at fault
Again, we start tactically good (like before), and then we start making problems for ourselves. Risso - you ask me what has he done? - We have started most game tactically pretty good, and get undone by fucking player mistakes - and then the rest of the bunch goes to piece.
We are not disciplined enough, and the others know that.
Gil and Grealish DID NOT IMPROVE US, but we have a very weak team. Hutton - there is a fucking reason he got an anger management certificate in secret santa.
Today we started well - yet then we have poor individuals - is that the managers fault? He is picking the best of a bad bunch - Traore? Apparently there were fitness issues, as he was subbed due to the same. Maybe - JUST MAYBE - the manager knows more than we do?
The Bacuna throw in tells our season in one move - how the fuck has the manager any clue about that? It is starting to look like players are sabotaging the club.
I am weeping - this is fucking horrible - but lets point where it is needed: (Fucking top management - Tom Fox get the fuck out of here, Players - do your work - Lerner - Sell......)
Veretout who was slated is our best player with Ayew. So who ever is slating our scouting department should think again. It is the mentality of the squad - Is it real enough for the rest to stop, just because Lerner is a fucking clown? - for me no! I have worked for an idiot - but I still pulled my weight - and so should the players.
Fucking ridiculous
Edit: sorry for my faulty grammar - this was typed while being very emotional.
Did you work for an invisible idiot who took bugger-all interest in the company (after he'd put it up for sale) though?
This is internal fun - but yes I did - I was manager at a company that he put of for sale, and wanted only his profit... So YES - and us in the buffer between management and middle management made the company profitable, as we had respect for the whole institution, including all employees.
You evidently had the advantage of having a capable staff who were able to perform well regardless. The Villa have none & the employees have become as inadequate & unmotivated as the cretin who runs the show from afar. And it's been like that for fucking years.
Yes - I totally agree! I had a group of individuals that were proud performing - and this is where I see the biggest fault of Villa - a lot of players that do shit all... And that is not the fault of anyone but the top - (okey - if you have bad individuals, then what can you do). But - if the top to bottom all believe in the same goal, then you get results! my experience
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Read that the players have received chants of "you're not fit to wear the shirt" as they got on the team bus
Whilst I've no doubt they would deserve it, but the chances of them being showered, changed, met all their media obligations, etc in half an hour is quite remote.
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We're probably down now unless there's a miracle. In my opinion our last chance was lost when we turned our nose up to Moyes, but then again he'd have demanded a transfer/wage budget worthy of a club like Aston Villa and probably wouldn't have took the job.
What a shitfest Randy has turned us into. Shame on you.
Lerner is scum mate. Never have I seen someone completely abdicate responsibility for a club the way this charlatan has, you can see why he was mates with Colonel Blinky, fakes the pair of them.
Too bloody right, absolute scum and those other tossers he had hanging around the club for a few seasons, pretending to be so into us when in fact they were lying cnuts.
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Garde is not the man to get us out of the 2nd Division.
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Read that the players have received chants of "you're not fit to wear the shirt" as they got on the team bus
Wait until there are 10,000 singing it from the Holte - Maybe set up a call-and-response with the Witton - "Wankers!" > "Wankers!" and see how long we can keep it going
Might liven things up a bit?
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We're probably down now unless there's a miracle. In my opinion our last chance was lost when we turned our nose up to Moyes, but then again he'd have demanded a transfer/wage budget worthy of a club like Aston Villa and probably wouldn't have took the job.
What a shitfest Randy has turned us into. Shame on you.
Lerner is scum mate. Never have I seen someone completely abdicate responsibility for a club the way this charlatan has, you can see why he was mates with Colonel Blinky, fakes the pair of them.
I think Scum is a little strong, but right about about hiding while the club falls down around him.
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Garde, a cheese eating surrender monkey. This appointment was never going to work and can only have been made for one reason. He's cheap to employ. Left his previous job in France for personal reasons and hints that he couldn't take the pressure. Nothing to be ashamed of but not a glowing endorsement to get a job at the Arse end of the premier league is it.
That is despicable - So compared to the others he replaced he is " a cheese eating surrendering monkey"? Get a grip. I am angry, and disappointed - yet this type of throw in the towel is out of order. Is it the managers fault a player throws a ball to the other team?
FFS
We may as well have kept Sherwood then.
For me - not really , because I am seeing tactical things that are an improvement (not result wise, i might add).
Your defence of Garde is understandable, the problem I have is that he seems to still be learning everything we already knew and he should have known about these players. It was crying out for a new approach, we have done pretty much the same both in tactics and personnel that we were doing before he came and getting the same results.This Garde team has no distinctive style or personality. Sadly he has achieved fuck all so there has been no point to his appointment.
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Read that the players have received chants of "you're not fit to wear the shirt" as they got on the team bus
Whilst I've no doubt they would deserve it, but the chances of them being showered, changed, met all their media obligations, etc in half an hour is quite remote.
Video of it doing rounds on Twitter now so it's true.
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He's making Hicks & Gillett look as though they knew what they were doing.
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Where have all the 'we mustn't make it personal about that nice Mr Lerner' brigade disappeared to? Mind you, I'm glad they have disappeared
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We're probably down now unless there's a miracle. In my opinion our last chance was lost when we turned our nose up to Moyes, but then again he'd have demanded a transfer/wage budget worthy of a club like Aston Villa and probably wouldn't have took the job.
What a shitfest Randy has turned us into. Shame on you.
Lerner is scum mate. Never have I seen someone completely abdicate responsibility for a club the way this charlatan has, you can see why he was mates with Colonel Blinky, fakes the pair of them.
I think Scum is a little strong, but right about about hiding while the club falls down around him.
Nah, he's scum. An imbecile of the highest order that has organized a business structure that allows him to deflect all means of accountability.
What's his home address, I'd love to send him a hand-written.
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https://twitter.com/masonecho/status/683339919113191425
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Your defence of Garde is understandable, the problem I have is that he seems to still be learning everything we already knew and he should have known about these players. It was crying out for a new approach, we have done pretty much the same both in tactics and personnel that we were doing before he came and getting the same results.This Garde team has no distinctive style or personality. Sadly he has achieved fuck all so there has been no point to his appointment.
That's where I am as well. Yes the team is eye-bleedingly poor, but there's been no improvement in any section of the team at all.
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Can't wait for Mr Fox's next statement.
Some new kind of plan, drawn up on a beer mat in the bar during half time at the Stadium of Light. Something about signing Stella or Artois or some French guy Cidre, he's not sure, it's all a bit of a mess and he can't quite read his own writing but the announcement is imminent.
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Yep, scum indeed
We're probably down now unless there's a miracle. In my opinion our last chance was lost when we turned our nose up to Moyes, but then again he'd have demanded a transfer/wage budget worthy of a club like Aston Villa and probably wouldn't have took the job.
What a shitfest Randy has turned us into. Shame on you.
Lerner is scum mate. Never have I seen someone completely abdicate responsibility for a club the way this charlatan has, you can see why he was mates with Colonel Blinky, fakes the pair of them.
I think Scum is a little strong, but right about about hiding while the club falls down around him.
Do you? I think it doesn't even begin to do him justice
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Garde post press conference sounds like he has given up already. He has had no effect whatsoever.
I think we have been conned yet again as I do feel a Pearson/Moyes would of done better even with this squad. I also believe Sherwood might be on more points. Moyes and Pearson have not been employed as I'm sure they wanted guaranteed money. Garde was the cheap option and yet again the fans have been hoodwinked.
Sherwood was given dogs for poor tactics etc and yes he made many errors and was perhaps not up to it but what has Garde done - the fans are almost just accepting of defeat now and lay it at the door of the players - whereas under Sherwood we pointed the finger at him.
I cant see another win and we might make about 15 points if we are lucky.
It is time for the fans to act now - we need to make a statement that we will not just accept this. Teams lose and teams get relegated but we are going down with an absolute whimper and that cannot be just accepted
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These aren't Garde's players. There was sign of genuine improvement until the Norwich game. Listened on the radio today. Well beaten by a poor Sunderland team. Where has the improvement gone? A poor side becomes a very poor side when players aren't available.
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https://twitter.com/masonecho/status/683339919113191425
Richardson toddling off with his head phones on listening to self help, Sinclair on the phone? Who's he fucking calling, he's played for 5 minutes and just finished the match. Probably arranging a night out the gormless twat.
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https://twitter.com/masonecho/status/683339919113191425
No players in shot and about 2 people singing.
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When will Garde's honeymoon expire?
We were ragged under Sherwood but I truely believed we just needed an organiser to come in and tell the players where they should be when they had the ball and when without.
I thought 2nd half against Arsenal we had turned the corner getting an away point at newcastle but theres never been any momentum. Never picked the same 11.
The first time passing against man city in his first game is light years ago.
The last ten minutes today were embarrassing.
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https://twitter.com/masonecho/status/683339919113191425
Excellent to see, I hope the coach breaks down on the A1 back and it's pissing it down with wind and blowing a gale. Bunch of shits, the lot of them.
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Yep, scum indeedWe're probably down now unless there's a miracle. In my opinion our last chance was lost when we turned our nose up to Moyes, but then again he'd have demanded a transfer/wage budget worthy of a club like Aston Villa and probably wouldn't have took the job.
What a shitfest Randy has turned us into. Shame on you.
Lerner is scum mate. Never have I seen someone completely abdicate responsibility for a club the way this charlatan has, you can see why he was mates with Colonel Blinky, fakes the pair of them.
I think Scum is a little strong, but right about about hiding while the club falls down around him.
Do you? I think it doesn't even begin to do him justice
I too think "scum" is a bit strong. Incompetent and even negligent, yes, but scum is a bit too much.
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'The last ten minutes today were embarrassing'
That what was what Ken McNaught said as well.
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I have finally come around to accepting the fact that I am now in agreement that this is the worst Villa side in the history of my Villa supporting career. I'm sixty-seven and have seen some right doozies.
I think you're right. I've always thought of the '69 - '70 team to be the worst I've seen, but in retrospect there were a few of that team that later formed the nucleus of our revival (Lochhead/McMahon/Anderson)
I can't imagine any of this current lot that I will be able to say that of.
(Actually, the '68 - '69 lot were probably worse.)
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https://twitter.com/masonecho/status/683339919113191425
No players in shot and about 2 people singing.
Richardson, Guzan and Sinclair walk out right at the start. Surprised Sinclair made it out of the door without running in to it.
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https://twitter.com/masonecho/status/683339919113191425
No players in shot and about 2 people singing.
Richardson, Guzan and Sinclair walk out right at the start. Surprised Sinclair made it out of the door without running in to it.
Sinclair comment - 😂😂😂
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Okey - Blaming Garde for this? - it is that fucking team of players that is at fault
Again, we start tactically good (like before), and then we start making problems for ourselves. Risso - you ask me what has he done? - We have started most game tactically pretty good, and get undone by fucking player mistakes - and then the rest of the bunch goes to piece.
We are not disciplined enough, and the others know that.
Gil and Grealish DID NOT IMPROVE US, but we have a very weak team. Hutton - there is a fucking reason he got an anger management certificate in secret santa.
Today we started well - yet then we have poor individuals - is that the managers fault? He is picking the best of a bad bunch - Traore? Apparently there were fitness issues, as he was subbed due to the same. Maybe - JUST MAYBE - the manager knows more than we do?
The Bacuna throw in tells our season in one move - how the fuck has the manager any clue about that? It is starting to look like players are sabotaging the club.
I am weeping - this is fucking horrible - but lets point where it is needed: (Fucking top management - Tom Fox get the fuck out of here, Players - do your work - Lerner - Sell......)
Veretout who was slated is our best player with Ayew. So who ever is slating our scouting department should think again. It is the mentality of the squad - Is it real enough for the rest to stop, just because Lerner is a fucking clown? - for me no! I have worked for an idiot - but I still pulled my weight - and so should the players.
Fucking ridiculous
Edit: sorry for my faulty grammar - this was typed while being very emotional.
Did you work for an invisible idiot who took bugger-all interest in the company (after he'd put it up for sale) though?
This is internal fun - but yes I did - I was manager at a company that he put of for sale, and wanted only his profit... So YES - and us in the buffer between management and middle management made the company profitable, as we had respect for the whole institution, including all employees.
You evidently had the advantage of having a capable staff who were able to perform well regardless. The Villa have none & the employees have become as inadequate & unmotivated as the cretin who runs the show from afar. And it's been like that for fucking years.
Yes - I totally agree! I had a group of individuals that were proud performing - and this is where I see the biggest fault of Villa - a lot of players that do shit all... And that is not the fault of anyone but the top - (okey - if you have bad individuals, then what can you do). But - if the top to bottom all believe in the same goal, then you get results! my experience
But if an owner is as useless as Lerner & constantly replaces key members of staff with those who are inexperienced, cheaper & less skilled, how on earth can any organisation continue to be a success?
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https://twitter.com/masonecho/status/683339919113191425
Excellent to see, I hope the coach breaks down on the A1 back and it's pissing it down with wind and blowing a gale. Bunch of shits, the lot of them.
They could ride Rudy back to Birmingham.
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These aren't Garde's players. There was sign of genuine improvement until the Norwich game. Listened on the radio today. Well beaten by a poor Sunderland team. Where has the improvement gone? A poor side becomes a very poor side when players aren't available.
We're any of those players today Fat Sams players?
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Read that the players have received chants of "you're not fit to wear the shirt" as they got on the team bus
Whilst I've no doubt they would deserve it, but the chances of them being showered, changed, met all their media obligations, etc in half an hour is quite remote.
Maybe it was just before the bus left Aston for Sunderland ?
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We're probably down now unless there's a miracle. In my opinion our last chance was lost when we turned our nose up to Moyes, but then again he'd have demanded a transfer/wage budget worthy of a club like Aston Villa and probably wouldn't have took the job.
What a shitfest Randy has turned us into. Shame on you.
Lerner is scum mate. Never have I seen someone completely abdicate responsibility for a club the way this charlatan has, you can see why he was mates with Colonel Blinky, fakes the pair of them.
I think Scum is a little strong, but right about about hiding while the club falls down around him.
Nah, he's scum. An imbecile of the highest order that has organized a business structure that allows him to deflect all means of accountability.
What's his home address, I'd love to send him a hand-written.
I know your angry like we all are, but there's people in the world who deserve to be called scum more than inept football club owners. I'm no more a fan of Lerner than you, but let's have some perspective.
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Garde, a cheese eating surrender monkey.
My wife and children say "Bollocks you lobster-faced rosbif!"
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Garde, a cheese eating surrender monkey. This appointment was never going to work and can only have been made for one reason. He's cheap to employ. Left his previous job in France for personal reasons and hints that he couldn't take the pressure. Nothing to be ashamed of but not a glowing endorsement to get a job at the Arse end of the premier league is it.
That is despicable - So compared to the others he replaced he is " a cheese eating surrendering monkey"? Get a grip. I am angry, and disappointed - yet this type of throw in the towel is out of order. Is it the managers fault a player throws a ball to the other team?
FFS
We may as well have kept Sherwood then.
For me - not really , because I am seeing tactical things that are an improvement (not result wise, i might add).
Your defence of Garde is understandable, the problem I have is that he seems to still be learning everything we already knew and he should have known about these players. It was crying out for a new approach, we have done pretty much the same both in tactics and personnel that we were doing before he came and getting the same results.This Garde team has no distinctive style or personality. Sadly he has achieved fuck all so there has been no point to his appointment.
Well I disagree - Sherwood was pretty lost. I felt that in the beginning he could start a good team, then in second half, he had no counter - so he started a poorer approach, so that the others couldn't counter his original approach (ergo idiot).
We start reasonably well - but the squad is to poor to keep it during a match - e.g. Bacuna throw in?
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I now want relegation confirmed as soon as possible. So much needs to be done to try and get us even competitive in the Championship.
We simply have to get back straight away to limit the damage being out of the Premier League.
Sadly. I wouldn't put money on a short stay in that league.
I disagree. I think we will have a very short stay indeed.
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Listening to 5 live I heard pat Murphy say..the 10 men of Bournemouth look determined, fit and well coached.. wish we had just one of those attributes.
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was summed up to me
Gestede
needed a simple through ball to Adama
possibility of going through on goalie to make it 2-1
and he couldnt even do that - he dodnt even bust a gut to go and chase it back . a la Vardy
and then Sunderland go up the other end and score with guzan absolute useless .
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'The last ten minutes today were embarrassing'
That what was what Ken McNaught said as well.
I'm 29. I am quite sure our stock has never been lower in my lifetime than it is right now.
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Garde, a cheese eating surrender monkey.
My wife and children say "Bollocks you lobster-faced rosbif!"
Round of applause.
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So it is Garde's fault? and Sherwood's, and then Lambert's, and then Mcleish's.... there is something more rotten to it - but I feel more comfortable with the start tactics from Garde than I do from the others.
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this French joke we have? Ha!
What does his nationality have to do with it?
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After lurking threads here for years I think I need to write something about how fed up I am just as closure so I can hopefully forget the lot of them and move on.
I'm 31, have been following Villa since I was in my early teens, even enduring season tickets under Lambert, and in all those years - when there have been plenty of bad Villa teams, and bad Villa players - I can't remember anything even approaching the level of awful that this current crop have become. I cling to Veretout as a good player, desperate to still have a 'favourite', but if I'm honest he's our best player and he's still terrible. Front to back the squad is awful and their league place is well deserved- in previous seasons I've been able to trick myself into thinking we were unlucky, or things just weren't quite clicking, this year I just watch with amazement at how utterly dire we are. Today Sunderland were so so so bad, and seemed to be actively trying to sabotage themselves (I thought the same v West Ham), giving the ball away time after time and inviting Villa on, perhaps comfortable in the fact they could give Villa 1,000 chances before they actually put together a coherent move. Yes, the Gil goal was nice, but how many times did Traore try that same run and fuck it up? At least I understand why he doesn't start now, 99% of the time he looked a liability.
I was cautiously optimistic about Houilier, tolerated Mcleish, was hopeful and then gradually worn down by Lambert, disgusted with Sherwood and now just feel sorry for Garde.
I remember the last time I felt this fed up was DOL's last season, when the state we were in felt so completely un-Villa. We were a top 8 club at worst, still really top 6 in my mind, and the shaky last years of Ellis were just a blip, something that the MON years confirmed by restoring us to some sort of status. Over the last five years I haven't really noticed as my expectations were lowered again and again to the point that it feels only right that now we're going down. How can it have come to this? How has no one within the club managed to halt this decline? How have we fucked up both a policy of spending big on proven players and then also a policy of buying youth? And how has it got to the point that I am actually nostalgic about having Luke Young at left back? Luke Young?
And why when the hierarchy changes their mind about the buying/playing philosophies do we just disappear well paid players? Can you think of any other club that does that? What can Kozak be doing that is so atrocious that only now, past the point of no return, does he even get on the bench? What was the Ilori signing about? Or Crespo? Zogs has never exactly impressed me, but when the alternative is playing Bacuna in midfield (or like last week bloody Richardson) surely he's worth a look, regardless of how much he's earning?
This is a rambling, incoherent collection of thoughts, because its five years of growing frustration that not only is the club I love slowly dying, but that so many of the problems seem so obvious to those outside the club that they don't make any sense. And I need to write it down, as I said, so I can draw a line under it, and get on with not caring about the rest of the season.
I'm done, I'm not attending or otherwise following another game. Luckily as of the end of February I am out of the country travelling until christmas, so even if I'm tempted they'll be playing in the middle of the night. Maybe when I get back we will have actually rebuilt sensibly in the championship and I can enjoy a half season ticket of us handing out thrashings to Blues and friends.
A man can dream.
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was summed up to me
Gestede
needed a simple through ball to Adama
possibility of going through on goalie to make it 2-1
and he couldnt even do that - he dodnt even bust a gut to go and chase it back . a la Vardy
and then Sunderland go up the other end and score with guzan absolute useless .
That was just dreadful. All he needed to do was just keep the ball moving, and yet his utter lack of coordination came to the fore again, it bobbled off his shin to one of them, and bang, we're 2-1 down. From him, to Lescott and then Guzan, it was just poor play from three exceedingly bad players.
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Where have all the 'we mustn't make it personal about that nice Mr Lerner' brigade disappeared to? Mind you, I'm glad they have disappeared
Thanks for turning up just to try and goad people into an argument Richard.
It's always appreciated.
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We're probably down now unless there's a miracle. In my opinion our last chance was lost when we turned our nose up to Moyes, but then again he'd have demanded a transfer/wage budget worthy of a club like Aston Villa and probably wouldn't have took the job.
What a shitfest Randy has turned us into. Shame on you.
Lerner is scum mate. Never have I seen someone completely abdicate responsibility for a club the way this charlatan has, you can see why he was mates with Colonel Blinky, fakes the pair of them.
I think Scum is a little strong, but right about about hiding while the club falls down around him.
Nah, he's scum. An imbecile of the highest order that has organized a business structure that allows him to deflect all means of accountability.
What's his home address, I'd love to send him a hand-written.
I know your angry like we all are, but there's people in the world who deserve to be called scum more than inept football club owners. I'm no more a fan of Lerner than you, but let's have some perspective.
Aston Villa are, and always have been, a massive part of my life. He has completely fucking ruined 'my' beloved club. He is the worst thing that has ever happened to one of the loves of my life. Therefore, in my eyes, he is absolute scum. I don't mean this personally against you LTA because I love all Villa fans, but 'one' can stick one's perspective where the sun doesn't shine.
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Next week is a not a must win.
It is a you WILL NOT lose to Wycombe Wanderers.
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Where have all the 'we mustn't make it personal about that nice Mr Lerner' brigade disappeared to? Mind you, I'm glad they have disappeared
Thanks for turning up just to try and goad people into an argument Richard.
It's always appreciated.
Oh, I was just wondering Dave, I don't really mean to do that at all, apologies and hope you are well.
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Edvard we can disagree mate, and without doubt this squad was not strong enough for this campaign. I am not entirely sure who is to blame for that. I was just expecting hoping that Garde would have more impact and at leat get us to the transfer window in touch.
Without doubt player errors have been a massive factor on our situation.
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So it is Garde's fault? and Sherwood's, and then Lambert's, and then Mcleish's.... there is something more rotten to it - but I feel more comfortable with the start tactics from Garde than I do from the others.
Of course there's something more rotten to it: and it ain't rocket science. It's called Randolph D Lerner.
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Listening to 5 live I heard pat Murphy say..the 10 men of Bournemouth look determined, fit and well coached.. wish we had just one of those attributes.
I too can't remember the last time I saw a Villa team that displayed any of those attributes. If you look at other sides, you can at least see some kind of organisation and structure to their play. You can see that they obviously work on things like shape and patterns of play. With us, it is just a big mess and you have to wonder exactly what they do at Bodymoor Heath during the week.
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Next week is a not a must win.
It is a you WILL NOT lose to Wycombe Wanderers.
I honestly couldn't care less.
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this French joke we have? Ha!
What does his nationality have to do with it?
Nothing. He's a joke and he's from France. Nothing sinister intended whatsoever.
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this French joke we have? Ha!
What does his nationality have to do with it?
There was some Daily Mail ****** by me who kept saying this.
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Next week is a not a must win.
It is a you WILL NOT lose to Wycombe Wanderers.
I honestly couldn't care less.
OK, which one the players are you?!!
For the record, I don't think we have 11 players capable of beating Wycombe next week but as least we can give the Nation another laugh trying to find out.
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this French joke we have? Ha!
What does his nationality have to do with it?
Nothing. He's a joke and he's from France. Nothing sinister intended whatsoever.
Irish joker, Pakistani joker, Jewish joker, French joker.... OK fair enough.
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Your defence of Garde is understandable, the problem I have is that he seems to still be learning everything we already knew and he should have known about these players. It was crying out for a new approach, we have done pretty much the same both in tactics and personnel that we were doing before he came and getting the same results.This Garde team has no distinctive style or personality. Sadly he has achieved fuck all so there has been no point to his appointment.
That's where I am as well. Yes the team is eye-bleedingly poor, but there's been no improvement in any section of the team at all.
After yet another truly apalling display, we all post things in the heat of the moment.
I've nothing against Reme Garde. Never met the bloke and seems personable enough. However, he doesn't strike me as a cup throwing, arse kicking bastard which in my opinion is what we needed to inject some life into our corpse of a squad. Still, it's all about opinions and I would love nothing better than to have mine thrown back in my face if he proves me wrong however, I'm afraid he seems to be just the latest in a long line of shocking managerial appointments. We shall see.
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So it is Garde's fault? and Sherwood's, and then Lambert's, and then Mcleish's.... there is something more rotten to it - but I feel more comfortable with the start tactics from Garde than I do from the others.
If you have a squad of poor players the only thing you can do is make the unit tight and fight hard.
Garde has been hired to get the best out of this squad but there is nothing to show for his however many games.
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Next week is a not a must win.
It is a you WILL NOT lose to Wycombe Wanderers.
I honestly couldn't care less.
I'd rather not see these players celebrating, unless we miraculously stay up.
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was summed up to me
Gestede
needed a simple through ball to Adama
possibility of going through on goalie to make it 2-1
and he couldnt even do that - he dodnt even bust a gut to go and chase it back . a la Vardy
and then Sunderland go up the other end and score with guzan absolute useless .
That was just dreadful. All he needed to do was just keep the ball moving, and yet his utter lack of coordination came to the fore again, it bobbled off his shin to one of them, and bang, we're 2-1 down. From him, to Lescott and then Guzan, it was just poor play from three exceedingly bad players.
There was a similar one last game and he was unable to perform a 3 yard pass, useless.
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I very rarely bet, but I'm gonna stick a few quid on Wycombe next week if they're not already odds-on favourites.
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I very rarely bet, but I'm gonna stick a few quid on Wycombe next week if they're not already odds-on favourites.
We could cause the upset of the round if we come away with a draw, the BBC will love it!
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Out of interest (well the faintest smidge of interest because I'm honestly losing all will to give a shit any more), how did Cissokho do?
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Pakistani joker
Asif
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I very rarely bet, but I'm gonna stick a few quid on Wycombe next week if they're not already odds-on favourites.
We could cause the upset of the round if we come away with a draw, the BBC will love it!
That's just crazy talk! ;)
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Is it worth buying a chipped Amazon fire stick? Can you watch Championship games on them?
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Pakistani joker
Asif
Sign him up!
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this French joke we have? Ha!
What does his nationality have to do with it?
Nothing. He's a joke and he's from France. Nothing sinister intended whatsoever.
I totally disagree that he is a Joke - I feel he is our best bet (not the perfect Pep Guardiola) we have. Why- because I can see the setup that he wants to play - problem is that the players can't do what he wants.
My opinion - not = fact.
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Out of interest (well the faintest smidge of interest because I'm honestly losing all will to give a shit any more), how did Cissokho do?
He was OK.
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Out of interest (well the faintest smidge of interest because I'm honestly losing all will to give a shit any more), how did Cissokho do?
Slightly better than Bacuna in that position.
But in all honesty they really are all as shit as each other.
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To me only three players (Three Jordans) and Clark is worth keeping rest of squad can leave.
I think it is time for Villa fans to fight back and start demanding heads. It is time for supporters protest. Perhaps every Villa fans should wear black outfit. No more claret and blues.
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this French joke we have? Ha!
What does his nationality have to do with it?
Nothing. He's a joke and he's from France. Nothing sinister intended whatsoever.
I totally disagree that he is a Joke - I feel he is our best bet (not the perfect Pep Guardiola) we have. Why- because I can see the setup that he wants to play - problem is that the players can't do what he wants.
My opinion - not = fact.
He's our only bet.
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I was in favour of Garde but, while I think there has been some improvement in terms of general play, it is beginning to look a lot like getting the right man at the wrong time. He doesn't come across as inspiring enough to put the necessary fight and fire in the belly that a relegation scrap needs, and that might have seen us battle to some points at Norwich or Sunderland. Too many players still seem to be just going through the motions. I know he hasn't got much to choose from but surely Bunn or the other young fella can't be any more of a liability than the hopelessly inept Guzan, surely Kozak can't be any less effective than Gestede, and surely a sulking Richards couldn't be a worse RB than Hutton. Why not at least give these a try?
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Wearing black to the games is an excellent idea
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Clark is next to useless but Championship will be about his level along with most players at the club. I fully expect the Jordan trio will most likely move or be moved on.
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the best part of the game was the villa singing randy lerner what a wanker loved it
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To me only three players (Three Jordans) and Clark is worth keeping rest of squad can leave.
I think it is time for Villa fans to fight back and start demanding heads. It is time for supporters protest. Perhaps every Villa fans should wear black outfit. No more claret and blues.
I am fairly sure dressing up in the colour of seals en masse is a bad idea.
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Garde was going absolutely ape shit at some of the mind numbingly stupid things we did second half. If he had a gun, Gestede would have been shot for failing to put Traore through, and then they score as a result.
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Edvard. You are vehemently behind Remi Garde, and say that you agree with, and can see what he is trying to do.
Can you elaborate what that is please, because it isnt evident anything has changed?
We are still making poor errors all over the pitch. Leaking goals. Not scoring with regularity. Not holding onto the ball with any sort of authority. Not showing battling qualities.
I'm not criticising Garde as such, but I can't make a case for him being any better for us currently than Sherwood, apart from he talks a better game, seems a nice bloke and hasn't slagged the club off in the press.
Football wise, no difference.
I have no feeling towards Garde good or bad to be honest. He's the fall guy.
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I totally disagree that he is a Joke - I feel he is our best bet (not the perfect Pep Guardiola) we have. Why- because I can see the setup that he wants to play - problem is that the players can't do what he wants.
My opinion - not = fact.
Based on what? The set up this week was entirely different from the set up last week, with the only similarity being equally dreadful performances. He perseveres with Gestede up front, but then never gets the team to put any sort of cross in that the useless oaf could use his one attribute to capitalise on. I'm sorry, but it all just reads like wishful thinking as there's been no improvement from Sherwood's start to the season at all.
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So it is Garde's fault? and Sherwood's, and then Lambert's, and then Mcleish's.... there is something more rotten to it - but I feel more comfortable with the start tactics from Garde than I do from the others.
If you have a squad of poor players the only thing you can do is make the unit tight and fight hard.
Agree and Garde has failed to do that so far.
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the whole lot can fuck off,owner players fucking disgrace
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Wearing black to the games is an excellent idea
I take it that'll be for it's 'slimming' qualities after the customary festive over-indulgence?
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Garde was going absolutely ape shit at some of the mind numbingly stupid things we did second half. If he had a gun, Gestede would have been shot for failing to put Traore through, and then they score as a result.
Why was he left on all game? He had no effect on the game other than in a negative sense. It's not like he was powering in headers or getting flick ons for anybody else to run onto. He's just utterly, utterly useless.
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Wearing black to the games is an excellent idea
I take it that'll be for it's 'slimming' qualities after the customary festive over-indulgence?
Spot on ! ;)
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Come the revolution a number of people at villa park should be marched straight to the gallows..no fkin around marched straight there.
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Wearing black to the games is an excellent idea
I take it that'll be for it's 'slimming' qualities after the customary festive over-indulgence?
Spot on ! ;)
Yay! Do I win a prize?
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Should of gone with Roberto Martinez like I said four years ago.
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I honestly think we should all return our proud history - bright future scarves at a designated game.
That was Lerners gesture & statment when he arrived , now throw it back at him
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Should of gone with Roberto Martinez like I said four years ago.
He turned us down.
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Should of gone with Roberto Martinez like I said four years ago.
First post for nearly 3 years and it's an 'I told you so'.
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Like I said before you can blame all the managers you want but from the day Lerner employed the blue nose manager and we all protested he didn't listen to us because he doesn't give a fuck about the support
Its been all about getting his money back I hope he hurrys up and sells us because I'm now getting scared about next season never mind the rest of this
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I honestly think we should all return our proud history - bright future scarves at a designated game.
That was Lerners gesture & statment when he arrived , now throw it back at him
And burn them. Obviously.
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I honestly think we should all return our proud history - bright future scarves at a designated game.
That was Lerners gesture & statment when he arrived , now throw it back at him
Great idea. It was a toss up for me between suggesting that or just taking it into the back garden and torching it.
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I honestly think we should all return our proud history - bright future scarves at a designated game.
That was Lerners gesture & statment when he arrived , now throw it back at him
Great idea. It was a toss up for me between suggesting that or just taking it into the back garden and torching it.
I don't think you should call Lerner 'it', he does have a name you know.
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Adama was a shining light. What gets me is how lazy most of the team are. We just never seem to close anyone down. Guzan is also a complete liability.
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Edvard. You are vehemently behind Remi Garde, and say that you agree with, and can see what he is trying to do.
Can you elaborate what that is please, because it isnt evident anything has changed?
We are still making poor errors all over the pitch. Leaking goals. Not scoring with regularity. Not holding onto the ball with any sort of authority. Not showing battling qualities.
I'm not criticising Garde as such, but I can't make a case for him being any better for us currently than Sherwood, apart from he talks a better game, seems a nice bloke and hasn't slagged the club off in the press.
Football wise, no difference.
I have no feeling towards Garde good or bad to be honest. He's the fall guy.
Okey - this is difficult - but when we start games ,I see we are more balanced....then after 30 minutes we are fucked all over. Then we start second half and later fucked all over. This for me signals poor material rather than bad managemet?
I think Remi understands football at a higher level. I might be wrong - but can't prove this (nor want to) - I just think that he has understanding of football as it is today.
Not trying to claim facts - just my feeling and opinion. (and everytime we fail, it is becaues stupid fucking idiots doing stupid stuff)
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Garde was going absolutely ape shit at some of the mind numbingly stupid things we did second half. If he had a gun, Gestede would have been shot for failing to put Traore through, and then they score as a result.
Why was he left on all game? He had no effect on the game other than in a negative sense. It's not like he was powering in headers or getting flick ons for anybody else to run onto. He's just utterly, utterly useless.
Why did we start the second half, again, behind and with the same team?
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I reckon the players don't listen and are uncoachable. You can bring in Alex Ferguson, but if the players don't give a fuck, you're goosed.
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Adama was a shining light. What gets me is how lazy most of the team are. We just never seem to close anyone down. Guzan is also a complete liability.
Paul, this is where half of the fucking deflections are coming from as well. Not closing players down properly so they are getting a chance to get their shots away whilst we shake a bloody leg at it. The same for crosses coming in from out wide, fight to keep the cross from ever coming in in the first place, we don't, they don't seem to realise that as a fullback it's part of their job to stop the crosses leaving the boot of the opposition.
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Edvard. You are vehemently behind Remi Garde, and say that you agree with, and can see what he is trying to do.
Can you elaborate what that is please, because it isnt evident anything has changed?
We are still making poor errors all over the pitch. Leaking goals. Not scoring with regularity. Not holding onto the ball with any sort of authority. Not showing battling qualities.
I'm not criticising Garde as such, but I can't make a case for him being any better for us currently than Sherwood, apart from he talks a better game, seems a nice bloke and hasn't slagged the club off in the press.
Football wise, no difference.
I have no feeling towards Garde good or bad to be honest. He's the fall guy.
Okey - this is difficult - but when we start games ,I see we are more balanced....then after 30 minutes we are fucked all over. Then we start second half and later fucked all over. This for me signals poor material rather than bad managemet?
I think Remi understands football at a higher level. I might be wrong - but can't prove this (nor want to) - I just think that he has understanding of football as it is today.
Not trying to claim facts - just my feeling and opinion. (and everytime we fail, it is becaues stupid fucking idiots doing stupid stuff)
And this was often the same under Sherwood and Lambert sometimes.
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Meh - Risso :) - We probably will not agree on this - but why should I listen to anything you say? You live on an island?
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Should of gone with Roberto Martinez like I said four years ago.
No decent manager would touch us with our wage/transfer budget.
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He keeps playing Richards at centre half and Guzan at all, whatever understanding of football he has it's not as much as he believes because those two are garbage.
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I reckon the players don't listen and are uncoachable. You can bring in Alex Ferguson, but if the players don't give a fuck, you're goosed.
Nonsense. Unless you think everyone of the players in our 6 consecutive relegation battles didn't listen and were uncoachable?
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Edvard. You are vehemently behind Remi Garde, and say that you agree with, and can see what he is trying to do.
Can you elaborate what that is please, because it isnt evident anything has changed?
We are still making poor errors all over the pitch. Leaking goals. Not scoring with regularity. Not holding onto the ball with any sort of authority. Not showing battling qualities.
I'm not criticising Garde as such, but I can't make a case for him being any better for us currently than Sherwood, apart from he talks a better game, seems a nice bloke and hasn't slagged the club off in the press.
Football wise, no difference.
I have no feeling towards Garde good or bad to be honest. He's the fall guy.
Okey - this is difficult - but when we start games ,I see we are more balanced....then after 30 minutes we are fucked all over. Then we start second half and later fucked all over. This for me signals poor material rather than bad managemet?
I think Remi understands football at a higher level. I might be wrong - but can't prove this (nor want to) - I just think that he has understanding of football as it is today.
Not trying to claim facts - just my feeling and opinion. (and everytime we fail, it is becaues stupid fucking idiots doing stupid stuff)
That's fair enough. I just struggle to get behind him so strongly as I personally can't find a reason to. The only reason I'm not the other way is that like you say, it's not his team. If after this month he's still not put a stamp on us then he'll be due much more stick.
I do wonder sometimes though (not personal) whether some fans just side with the fancy foreign names, players or managers because they 'must' be better than the boring british boys.
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Should of gone with Roberto Martinez like I said four years ago.
First post for nearly 3 years and it's an 'I told you so'.
There's actually a few other "told you so" posts I can try and find but I won't haha. Feels weird, forgot about this site. So much has been happening, one thing that has stayed the same is Villa are still terrible since I last posted.
Basically, as far as this season is concerned... Villa are down. I just accept it now so it won't be heartbreaking come May with our relegation party. Sherwood should of been given more time - he made mistakes by playing Gabby "zero brains" Agbinlahor, early in the season and we were only just narrowily losing games, but I believe he would of kickstarted things eventually.
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Edvard. You are vehemently behind Remi Garde, and say that you agree with, and can see what he is trying to do.
Can you elaborate what that is please, because it isnt evident anything has changed?
We are still making poor errors all over the pitch. Leaking goals. Not scoring with regularity. Not holding onto the ball with any sort of authority. Not showing battling qualities.
I'm not criticising Garde as such, but I can't make a case for him being any better for us currently than Sherwood, apart from he talks a better game, seems a nice bloke and hasn't slagged the club off in the press.
Football wise, no difference.
I have no feeling towards Garde good or bad to be honest. He's the fall guy.
Okey - this is difficult - but when we start games ,I see we are more balanced....then after 30 minutes we are fucked all over. Then we start second half and later fucked all over. This for me signals poor material rather than bad managemet?
I think Remi understands football at a higher level. I might be wrong - but can't prove this (nor want to) - I just think that he has understanding of football as it is today.
Not trying to claim facts - just my feeling and opinion. (and everytime we fail, it is becaues stupid fucking idiots doing stupid stuff)
Earlier you stated that it's not down to anybody other than the players and their inability to perform to the required standard. If that's the case, who's responsible for getting them to play more effectively & to cut out their continual mistakes? And why do we get rid of any consistent talent we have & replace them with inexperienced dross? You don't blame the owner but continually offer your faith to a manager who is yet to secure his first win. I honestly don't have a clue where your coming from & how you reach the conclusions you do.
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He keeps playing Richards at centre half and Guzan at all, whatever understanding of football he has it's not as much as he believes because those two are garbage.
and i think it had already been worked out that you can't play Gill and Jack at the same time, that Richardson Clark Hutton useless.
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I am not sure Garde is totally blameless now. We repeatedly make the same mistakes, which was the case under Sherwood as well. That said, what can any manager say when players know that their potential replacements are just as bad or worse? And look at the 3rd goal, three players around the ball, all vastly experienced, two of them have won the league. To let them out so easily is pathetic.
Oh and why does Richards just walk back into the team? Okore and Lescott had looked good together, and we looked more confident defensively. Okore is twice the centre half Richards is, the first time might have had an element of misfortune but look where he is for the second goal. Ok, Lescott allows him to shoot and is culpable too but that can happen if you get isolated against a player like Defoe in your own box.
We aren't just being relegated, we are being roundly humiliated. It's so depressing. I am also sick of the lack of acknowledgement for the supporters from the board, manager and players. To spend so much money watching this shit without even roundly turning on the players and then only be mentioned in the 'supporters need to stick with us' sense is patronising in the extreme.
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I have felt bemused, frustrated, angry, numb and helpless watching Villa in recent times but never weepy before. Ridiculous really. The game was up ages past and the players, devoid of all confidence, beat themselves long before the opposition have to consider moving up from 2nd gear. Christ only knows what depths we may sink to? Our so called senior players have failed us utterly, with charlatans like N'Zogbia and Gabby stinking the club out. Cut the cancer out and maybe we can regroup sooner rather than later. This fetid stench of failure enveloping Aston Villa FC has to be festering somewhere.
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He keeps playing Richards at centre half and Guzan at all, whatever understanding of football he has it's not as much as he believes because those two are garbage.
and i think it had already been worked out that you can't play Gill and Jack at the same time, that Richardson Clark Hutton useless.
Ye, he supposedly watched videos of all our matches before he joined. Yet to see any evidence of that. The only change he's made is pensioning off Agbonlahor after his 8 touch fiasco in front of him.
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Championship next season and unless we get a buyer we could be there for many seasons. Feel for the fans who made the trip.
My mate came over from America.
And no, it's not Randy.
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Should of gone with Roberto Martinez like I said four years ago.
No decent manager would touch us with our wage/transfer budget.
We spent a lot this summer, but not much really considering we sold two players for a combined £40 million. Villa fans complaining about "how we didn't replace Benteke" - no shit, of course we can't replace the best striker I've seen play for Villa but with Benteke we were always down at the bottom for the last 3 seasons. We stayed up because of his goals, but you can't blame "not replacing Benteke" for Villa's conference league defending this season.
We have a decent squad, I was actually positive pre-season, I really liked the players Sherwood brought to the club, however it's just been a giant mess.
Either way, I was right about Martinez and Aston Villa FC has been in a steady decline ever since we opted for Alex McLeish.
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We have a decent squad? Where have we been hiding them?
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The same way Chelsea have been hiding, albeit they have the third most expensive squad in the league and when you put it into perspective Chelsea fans feel exactly the same way as a Villa fans - fed up.
Traore and Carlos Gil are our two best players yet they never start for us - how fucked up is that?
Edit: Jordan Ayew is also one of the three best players... Everyone else after that has been so poor.
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Contemplating going out and buying a bedsheets tomorrow to make a banner for the palace game. I know it won't do any good but another few quid on top of the hundreds I fork out to watch villa won't hurt I reckon ..was thinking something along lines of...Lerner & fox..you've made us laughing stocks.
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Obviously questions are being asked about Garde, and so they should be.
Yes, he inherited a basket case, yes the damage was probably already done and maybe we were/are beyond redemption.
But, there he been so little improvement since he came, we still have no idea whether he is the right man for the job.
Do we risk the fact he might not be upto the task of building a team capable of getting us back up?
agree Andy
I know he has shit players but he keeps playing some of the same old shit and makes some bad decisions
I mean If richards has a contract to only play CB , well thats one reason the club is going down . Grow some balls Garde , put him at RB , If he dont want , dont play the c**** and drop that Gestede please !!!
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Contemplating going out and buying a bedsheets tomorrow to make a banner for the palace game. I know it won't do any good but another few quid on top of the hundreds I fork out to watch villa won't hurt I reckon ..was thinking something along lines of...Lerner & fox..you've made us laughing stocks.
Watch the stewards search for banners at the next home games, old Foxy won't want any humiliation in front of his corporate guests!
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On the train with Boro fans, a reminder that teams can rise again. Sadly, I can't see us doing that in the near future. Today we hit rock bottom and this was reflected in the jeering, booing and chants of "Lerner out". No one played well and several players were awful, in particular Guzan, Gestede and Lescott. Gil too was very poor apart from the excellent goal. He was very involved, found space but then almost always gave the ball away or was bundled off the ball. Jack was anonymous. Bacuna began well in midfield but was exposed again when he took over from Hutton. Traoré has real pace but his crossing, with one exception, was erratic. Kozak, after all the calls for his introduction, reminded us that he really isn't very good.
Of course we know that the squad is extremely weak and that's not the manager's fault, and we can understand that confidence is low, but it's difficult to see that he's having any sort of influence. Can he keep us up? No. Can he stabilise the team next season and win promotion? Very unlikely.
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Obviously questions are being asked about Garde, and so they should be.
Yes, he inherited a basket case, yes the damage was probably already done and maybe we were/are beyond redemption.
But, there he been so little improvement since he came, we still have no idea whether he is the right man for the job.
Do we risk the fact he might not be upto the task of building a team capable of getting us back up?
agree Andy
I know he has shit players but he keeps playing some of the same old shit and makes some bad decisions
I mean If richards has a contract to only play CB , well thats one reason the club is going down . Grow some balls Garde , put him at RB , If he dont want , dont play the c**** and drop that Gestede please !!!
As Captain of the club he should be willing to play anywhere and to set an example to his team.....
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A week or so ago I was saying that man for man I didn't think our squad was much different to leicesters if you took out Jamie Vardy who is playing out of his skin. We outplayed them for 60 minutes this season before Sherwoods bewildering decision making. Individually isn't the issue here. We have no cohesion. No style of play, or team ethic. No desire, confidence. There has never seemed to be a game plan. We've not had the ability to make game changing substitutions. Too many players, even our more talented ones seem to just turn up, lose, go home, train, get paid, buy shit, enjoy themselves, the repeat the cycle. Nobody at the club seems to actually care that were being humiliated each week, it just us fans who are hurting
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Should of gone with Roberto Martinez like I said four years ago.
First post for nearly 3 years and it's an 'I told you so'.
There's actually a few other "told you so" posts I can try and find but I won't haha. Feels weird, forgot about this site. So much has been happening, one thing that has stayed the same is Villa are still terrible since I last posted.
Basically, as far as this season is concerned... Villa are down. I just accept it now so it won't be heartbreaking come May with our relegation party. Sherwood should of been given more time - he made mistakes by playing Gabby "zero brains" Agbinlahor, early in the season and we were only just narrowily losing games, but I believe he would of kickstarted things eventually.
I honestly think we'd have been fighting ourselves on the pitch if sherwood was still in charge.
Anyway, we're down now - well done Learner - an excellent guide on how to relegate a club through employing clueless idiots. Apart from QPR and Sunderland I can't think of a club who spent so badly to guarantee relegation. We now have to put up with the stink of being the worst ever team in the Premiership and probably by the end of the season, ever. Nice touch.
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Throw your proud history bright future scarves on the pitch at half time. Bed sheets etc, time to be heard. We are having the piss taken out of us something chronic, it's disgraceful.
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Conceed the first goal and we are fucked, our confidence is that brittle that there is a collective dropping of heads when we conceed, we've started the last 3 games and played the better football, not taken our chances and been then conceeded, after that point the players hide, simple passes go 5 yards wide of there targets, players cant control a bag of sand, its our biggest problem out of a huge list of problems.
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and all i hear is Gestede is the best in the air by all these bloody commentators
well im not seeing any evidence of that
good in the air at catching flies maybe
what about the coaches teaching a prem ( laugh my bollocks off ) player to pass a ball . He makes Stevie Wonder look like Tony Daley.
how the ell does he stay on for 90 minutes .
hes a joke , the club is a joke , in fact we should all turn up in clown outfits for the next game , because this club have made us the laughing stock of all the leagues.
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The same way Chelsea have been hiding, albeit they have the third most expensive squad in the league and when you put it into perspective Chelsea fans feel exactly the same way as a Villa fans - fed up.
Traore and Carlos Gil are our two best players yet they never start for us - how fucked up is that?
Chelsea have the title winning squad from last season. We have the squad that finished 17th without it's two best players and most experienced defender. We have the squad that's been consistently poor for years.
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The same way Chelsea have been hiding, albeit they have the third most expensive squad in the league and when you put it into perspective Chelsea fans feel exactly the same way as a Villa fans - fed up.
Have Chelski supporters had over 5 years of watching their team dodge relegation; sell off their talent; watch dire displays every goddam week; have an invisible, clueless owner who wants out; and are effectively relegated with half a season to go? If that's the case - then it sure as hell ain't the perspective I'm gripping.
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I'm going to protest by probably not going to the Palace game. That I wasn't going any way is neither here nor there. Have got my ticket for Leicester bought today though, well Legion has it.
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and all i hear is Gestede is the best in the air by all these bloody commentators
well im not seeing any evidence of that
good in the air at catching flies maybe
what about the coaches teaching a prem ( laugh my bollocks off ) player to pass a ball . He makes Stevie Wonder look like Tony Daley.
how the ell does he stay on for 90 minutes .
hes a joke , the club is a joke , in fact we should all turn up in clown outfits for the next game , because this club have made us the laughing stock of all the leagues.
A few years ago Rudy employed a running coach because his timing was so poor he was continually caught offside.
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I'm going to protest by probably not going to the Palace game. That I wasn't going any way is neither here nor there. Have got my ticket for Leicester bought today though, well Legion has it.
he'll probably lose it. You won't have to go
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Trying again (not being an apologetic) - the squad is pretty crap. There is no magic fix. Remi Garde didn't do this - but I think he is trying to do what he can with that pile of shit. Won't go into matters of mentioning who
they have been after Garde for a long time , makes me wonder If some of the players were his choice actually . sherwood was just a stop gap.
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Read that the players have received chants of "you're not fit to wear the shirt" as they got on the team bus
Mcdonalds uniform I reckon
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Villa reckon they are going down the arsenal route with Fox and Garde
Im telling you
Its the ASS route
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The same way Chelsea have been hiding, albeit they have the third most expensive squad in the league and when you put it into perspective Chelsea fans feel exactly the same way as a Villa fans - fed up.
Have Chelski supporters had over 5 years of watching their team dodge relegation; sell off their talent; watch dire displays every goddam week; have an invisible, clueless owner who wants out; and are effectively relegated with half a season to go? If that's the case - then it sure as hell ain't the perspective I'm gripping.
Think of the context. Chelsea went from being the best team in the country with players like Diego Costa, Fabregas, Matic and Azpilacueta who were outstanding for nearly all of last season, now currently they're one of the worst teams in the country and I think a few of their star players from last season rival a few Villa players for being worst players of the season. Also, they no longer have their most successful manager, replaced him with an interim who's managerial career has recently been shit and they have the fun times ahead of them when Paris Saint Germain have the chance to score a double digit amount of goals against them in the last 16 of champions league.
Can you think of a team that has crashed and burnt going from a top team to a poor team so quickly like Chelsea has in the last 6/7 months? Villa have been flirting with relegation with the last 4 seasons this time the team will be relegated.
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Next week is a not a must win.
It is a you WILL NOT lose to Wycombe Wanderers.
Im expecting a massive shock
Villa 1 0 win ;)
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I was in favour of appointing Garde, but I honestly think the players are such a bunch of wankers I'd now inflict Pearson on them.
I think it will take some kind of sociopath to overpower the dead hand of Lerner and to get these fuckers to even try.
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I actually can't believe that any one - unless they're on one big trolling piss take - is trying to compare the "suffering" of Chelsea fans with our current predicament.
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Should of gone with Roberto Martinez like I said four years ago.
even Mark Hughes
we would still be in Prem at least
I remember him leaving Fulham and thought hes nailed on for Villa now . I wasnt sure about it but Mcgrath Id love him now.
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Seen a few comments like this on Twitter about our fans and those useless excuse for players we have, they don't deserve fans as superb as ours:
"Villa fans louder than anyone else we've had at the SoL this season, and their players just fucked off at the end. Awful stuff"
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I was in favour of appointing Garde, but I honestly think the players are such a bunch of wankers I'd now inflict Pearson on them.
I think it will take some kind of sociopath to overpower the dead hand of Lerner and to get these fuckers to even try.
Hear Hear. But if it took them that long to get rid of Lambert, we'll still have Garde in the 3rd tier.
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Should of gone with Roberto Martinez like I said four years ago.
even Mark Hughes
we would still be in Prem at least
I remember him leaving Fulham and thought hes nailed on for Villa now . I wasnt sure about it but Mcgrath Id love him now.
Wasn't it the way he behaved that put Randy off apparently?
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Adama was a shining light. What gets me is how lazy most of the team are. We just never seem to close anyone down. Guzan is also a complete liability.
true
so no idea why Garde does not give him more game time and that sciver Sinclair gets a lot more
in fact Jack was absolute useless
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Edvard. You are vehemently behind Remi Garde, and say that you agree with, and can see what he is trying to do.
Can you elaborate what that is please, because it isnt evident anything has changed?
We are still making poor errors all over the pitch. Leaking goals. Not scoring with regularity. Not holding onto the ball with any sort of authority. Not showing battling qualities.
I'm not criticising Garde as such, but I can't make a case for him being any better for us currently than Sherwood, apart from he talks a better game, seems a nice bloke and hasn't slagged the club off in the press.
Football wise, no difference.
I have no feeling towards Garde good or bad to be honest. He's the fall guy.
Okey - this is difficult - but when we start games ,I see we are more balanced....then after 30 minutes we are fucked all over. Then we start second half and later fucked all over. This for me signals poor material rather than bad managemet?
I think Remi understands football at a higher level. I might be wrong - but can't prove this (nor want to) - I just think that he has understanding of football as it is today.
Not trying to claim facts - just my feeling and opinion. (and everytime we fail, it is becaues stupid fucking idiots doing stupid stuff)
you liked his team against Norwich?
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I am not sure Garde is totally blameless now. We repeatedly make the same mistakes, which was the case under Sherwood as well. That said, what can any manager say when players know that their potential replacements are just as bad or worse? And look at the 3rd goal, three players around the ball, all vastly experienced, two of them have won the league. To let them out so easily is pathetic.
Oh and why does Richards just walk back into the team? Okore and Lescott had looked good together, and we looked more confident defensively. Okore is twice the centre half Richards is, the first time might have had an element of misfortune but look where he is for the second goal. Ok, Lescott allows him to shoot and is culpable too but that can happen if you get isolated against a player like Defoe in your own box.
We aren't just being relegated, we are being roundly humiliated. It's so depressing. I am also sick of the lack of acknowledgement for the supporters from the board, manager and players. To spend so much money watching this shit without even roundly turning on the players and then only be mentioned in the 'supporters need to stick with us' sense is patronising in the extreme.
talks a good post ;)
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Obviously questions are being asked about Garde, and so they should be.
Yes, he inherited a basket case, yes the damage was probably already done and maybe we were/are beyond redemption.
But, there he been so little improvement since he came, we still have no idea whether he is the right man for the job.
Do we risk the fact he might not be upto the task of building a team capable of getting us back up?
agree Andy
I know he has shit players but he keeps playing some of the same old shit and makes some bad decisions
I mean If richards has a contract to only play CB , well thats one reason the club is going down . Grow some balls Garde , put him at RB , If he dont want , dont play the c**** and drop that Gestede please !!!
As Captain of the club he should be willing to play anywhere and to set an example to his team.....
exactly
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The same way Chelsea have been hiding, albeit they have the third most expensive squad in the league and when you put it into perspective Chelsea fans feel exactly the same way as a Villa fans - fed up.
Have Chelski supporters had over 5 years of watching their team dodge relegation; sell off their talent; watch dire displays every goddam week; have an invisible, clueless owner who wants out; and are effectively relegated with half a season to go? If that's the case - then it sure as hell ain't the perspective I'm gripping.
Think of the context. Chelsea went from being the best team in the country with players like Diego Costa, Fabregas, Matic and Azpilacueta who were outstanding for nearly all of last season, now currently they're one of the worst teams in the country and I think a few of their star players from last season rival a few Villa players for being worst players of the season. Also, they no longer have their most successful manager, replaced him with an interim who's managerial career has recently been shit and they have the fun times ahead of them when Paris Saint Germain have the chance to score a double digit amount of goals against them in the last 16 of champions league.
Can you think of a team that has crashed and burnt so quickly like Chelsea has in the last 6/7 months? Villa have been flirting with relegation with the last 4 seasons this time the team will be relegated.
Any disappointment the poor Chelsea fans (bless) are suffering at the moment will be a mere blip in their recent history. What we have had to endure (as you mention) is a decline & inevitable relegation which shows absolutely no sign of improving any time soon. How can you compare the present lot of the respective club's supporters when presented with the actual reality? Disappointment & being fed up is one thing: but baring witness to the complete collapse of your club and any aspirations to be even remotely successful (ie win a game of bleedin' football for a change) is in a different league IMO. Still, to each their own.
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I was in favour of appointing Garde, but I honestly think the players are such a bunch of wankers I'd now inflict Pearson on them.
I think it will take some kind of sociopath to overpower the dead hand of Lerner and to get these fuckers to even try.
Id enjoy him running on the pitch putting his hands around the throats
30,000 a week for you .... really ...you useless piece of shi..... you get the jist ;)
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I was in favour of appointing Garde, but I honestly think the players are such a bunch of wankers I'd now inflict Pearson on them.
I think it will take some kind of sociopath to overpower the dead hand of Lerner and to get these fuckers to even try.
I know what you mean.
Garde came in to a team which had just produced W1 D1 L8.
And not only that, the one W was the first day of the season, and we had 6 or 7 losses on the trot.
You've got to be a fucking magician to turn that around.
I read people saying Garde has improved nothing and absolutely disagree with them. We look organised and as if we are trying to play in a certain way under Garde. Under Sherwood, I could barely work out what we were even trying to do at any time.
That's something that has changed.
Is it anything like enough to change our fortunes? Absolutely not.
Why is Garde playing Gestede at all? Well, what are our other options up front - fat Gabby, Kozak who has barely played in ages, Sinclair who manages to be our top scorer despite not being an out and out striker, or who else?
How is he supposed to fashion a working defence out of this collection of wankers? Really, what is the permutation of defenders from our available squad that looks even remotely competent?
There isn't one.
Sherwood was a fucking disaster. Lambert was a disaster, too, but the problems are not all about the manager, for years the club has been run slackly by a detached man-child who got bored of his latest, most expensive toy, and we have had systematic problems which have gone addressed for years.
Unfortunately, I read things like Tom Fox saying "we're building something special" (which he really did say this week), and I just sit here oprn-mouthed, jaw on the floor, thinking "what the absolute FUCK are these people talking about? What fucking planet are they on?"
So, it isn't going to be getting better any time soon, I'm afraid, certainly not this season.
Moan all we like about how we should have appointed Moyes (despite him having turned us down twice, and having been in a job when we needed a new manager) or how we needed Nigel Fucking Pearson (the third Sleaford Mod) or Big Fucking Sam, but none of those would have really changed anything, it would have been a plaster on a massive, gaping blood-spunking whole in our chest, we might have stayed up yes, but we'd just have another season of fighting relegation next year.
If there is one small positive in this whole situation it is that we don't need to spend the rest of the season shitting our pants every match day and calculating how long it will be before some slightly less spangly, less media-attracting club than us makes it mathematically certain that they go down rather than us. We know already that the game is up.
What we need is a new owner, and an absolute fucking enema to flush this entire club clean.
No more absentee, can't be arsed, can't make up his mind if he wants to sell or not, borderline illiterate buffoon of a chairman, no more Charles N'Zogbia style players picking up 70k a week for doing nothing more than looking like a twat when players tweet photos of his latest fashion crimes, no more Gabby Agbonlahor effortlessly drifting from one 50k a week four year deal to the next while contributing three or four goals a season, no more of this shit, we need to be absolutely fucking purged from the top down, and it is looking like that has to start with getting relegated.
If there's one thing any Villa fan should have realised watching that shit today, it is that the time for hastily applied plasters / bandages has been and gone a long time ago, this club needs change from the very top down.
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I better go and get some food
Im on my own here ;)
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I was in favour of appointing Garde, but I honestly think the players are such a bunch of wankers I'd now inflict Pearson on them.
I think it will take some kind of sociopath to overpower the dead hand of Lerner and to get these fuckers to even try.
I know what you mean.
Garde came in to a team which had just produced W1 D1 L8.
And not only that, the one W was the first day of the season, and we had 6 or 7 losses on the trot.
You've got to be a fucking magician to turn that around.
I read people saying Garde has improved nothing and absolutely disagree with them. We look organised and as if we are trying to play in a certain way under Garde. Under Sherwood, I could barely work out what we were even trying to do at any time.
That's something that has changed.
Is it anything like enough to change our fortunes? Absolutely not.
Why is Garde playing Gestede at all? Well, what are our other options up front - fat Gabby, Kozak who has barely played in ages, Sinclair who manages to be our top scorer despite not being an out and out striker, or who else?
How is he supposed to fashion a working defence out of this collection of wankers? Really, what is the permutation of defenders from our available squad that looks even remotely competent?
There isn't one.
Sherwood was a fucking disaster. Lambert was a disaster, too, but the problems are not all about the manager, for years the club has been run slackly by a detached man-child who got bored of his latest, most expensive toy, and we have had systematic problems which have gone addressed for years.
Unfortunately, I read things like Tom Fox saying "we're building something special" (which he really did say this week), and I just sit here oprn-mouthed, jaw on the floor, thinking "what the absolute FUCK are these people talking about? What fucking planet are they on?"
So, it isn't going to be getting better any time soon, I'm afraid, certainly not this season.
Moan all we like about how we should have appointed Moyes (despite him having turned us down twice, and having been in a job when we needed a new manager) or how we needed Nigel Fucking Pearson (the third Sleaford Mod) or Big Fucking Sam, but none of those would have really changed anything, it would have been a plaster on a massive, gaping blood-spunking whole in our chest, we might have stayed up yes, but we'd just have another season of fighting relegation next year.
If there is one small positive in this whole situation it is that we don't need to spend the rest of the season shitting our pants every match day and calculating how long it will be before some slightly less spangly, less media-attracting club than us makes it mathematically certain that they go down rather than us. We know already that the game is up.
What we need is a new owner, and an absolute fucking enema to flush this entire club clean.
No more absentee, can't be arsed, can't make up his mind if he wants to sell or not, borderline illiterate buffoon of a chairman, no more Charles N'Zogbia style players picking up 70k a week for doing nothing more than looking like a twat when players tweet photos of his latest fashion crimes, no more Gabby Agbonlahor effortlessly drifting from one 50k a week four year deal to the next while contributing three or four goals a season, no more of this shit, we need to be absolutely fucking purged from the top down, and it is looking like that has to start with getting relegated.
If there's one thing any Villa fan should have realised watching that shit today, it is that the time for hastily applied plasters / bandages has been and gone a long time ago, this club needs change from the very top down.
Superb contribution there Mr P, but to cast nasturtiums about the mighty 'Mods?! How VERY dare you. >:(
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Man child is spot on. It's a shame he's hiding now because I could do with a laugh at one of Nero's announcements.
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So Garde start to manager of Aston Villa aint what a lot of you gobbed off about. Well our club is in turmoil and he is part of it, of course the biggest part of the problem is cunty lerner clueless fuck. we are now going to endure I don't know how many seasons in the lower leagues.
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I was in favour of appointing Garde, but I honestly think the players are such a bunch of wankers I'd now inflict Pearson on them.
I think it will take some kind of sociopath to overpower the dead hand of Lerner and to get these fuckers to even try.
How is he supposed to fashion a working defence out of this collection of wankers? Really, what is the permutation of defenders from our available squad that looks even remotely competent?
I'd go with Richards -- Okore -- Clark -- Lescott
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I have finally come around to accepting the fact that I am now in agreement that this is the worst Villa side in the history of my Villa supporting career. I'm sixty-seven and have seen some right doozies.
I first staring going during the 74/75 promotion season. I have been having a similar debate in my mind for virtually the whole season as to whether this shower of shite is worse than the 86/87 side who were truly terrible. Up until Christmas I could not decide. However, in an abnormal year when the overall quality of the league is lower than normal & everyone can beat everyone and we cannot beat anybody, the the debate is over. We are beyond awful and definitely the worst I have ever seen.
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I have a friend who is a scout for a PL team and answers direct to the PL manager of the PL club. (for obvious reasons I cannot name the club nor manager). He is sent to every game, every level. There he will speak, as you do, to other scouts. One thing he said to me that he hasn't met a Villa scout for years!
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Should of gone with Roberto Martinez like I said four years ago.
even Mark Hughes
we would still be in Prem at least
I remember him leaving Fulham and thought hes nailed on for Villa now . I wasnt sure about it but Mcgrath Id love him now.
Wasn't it the way he behaved that put Randy off apparently?
Yep. Showed some ambition by leaving Fulham and looking for a move to a bigger club. Lerner probably thought "an ambitious manager? Can't be having that" and appointed McLeish instead.
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I was in favour of appointing Garde, but I honestly think the players are such a bunch of wankers I'd now inflict Pearson on them.
I think it will take some kind of sociopath to overpower the dead hand of Lerner and to get these fuckers to even try.
I was thinking the same.
Pearson wouldn't stand for any of that shit. Some big intimidating bastard like him is exactly what we need down there.
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I have finally come around to accepting the fact that I am now in agreement that this is the worst Villa side in the history of my Villa supporting career. I'm sixty-seven and have seen some right doozies.
I first staring going during the 74/75 promotion season. I have been having a similar debate in my mind for virtually the whole season as to whether this shower of shite is worse than the 86/87 side who were truly terrible. Up until Christmas I could not decide. However, in an abnormal year when the overall quality of the league is lower than normal & everyone can beat everyone and we cannot beat anybody, the the debate is over. We are beyond awful and definitely the worst I have ever seen.
Every word Yes.
I to started going down the Villa on my own 74, how great that ride was, but this season is very difficult I'm getting worse, my heart aches, my head wants to explode and I wish id never heard the name lerner.
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Roberto Martinez didn't want to come here so not sure how that would have worked.
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I've just heard RG on Stan's phone-in saying we're not down yet. Fair enough you might think, he's always going to say that until it's mathematically certain. But then he went on to say that the players don't deserve what they've been getting. Well I'm sorry Remi, but frankly those arseholes deserve exactly what they've been getting from games: namely a big fat ZERO. They are the worst Villa side I have witnessed in my 51 years on this Earth & they ain't fit to wear the claret & blue.
Fuck the lot of 'em. And then some.
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Pakistani joker
Asif
Why not?
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Don't know if we have a scouting policy but if we do it doesn't seem top notch. Read a book called the nowhere men about football scouts..good read and perhaps Mr. Fox should have a read of it.
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A kid from small heath asked the child.cruelty court who took him away from his parents who he wanted to adopt him. He rejected his grandparents and uncles aunts and neighbours cos he said they all beat him. OK says the judge who so you want?. Aston Villa he says..why says the Judge..'they can't beat anybody' says the kid.
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Mackems not impressed with our pathetic losers at all. Players are a disgrace to the name of our club.
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What was Garde's problem with shaking hand with BFS?
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Crap owner.
Crap manager.
Crap players.
Crap.
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i accept we are going down you end up where you deserve after a full season. what i cannot accept after 40 years supporting AVFC is Tom Fox telling me as a supporter we are at the start of something special. Please Mr Fox i am no mug please do not treat me as one with your utter garbage . you and Mr Lerner have ruined my club and made us a national emabarrassment not only this year but the previous 4 years.
If you Mr Fox disagree with my comment i rest my case with one fact
0/19 wins, go figure
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On the 5th Stella this evening and contemplating our terrible demise........
I'm 31 and been a Villa nut since around 1990, [earliest I can remember]. This is by FAR the worst side I've seen in my lifetime. I am trying to think of logical ways and reasons and to why we are so bad, or hope we can make a dramatic turn around, however I am just left with the pang that;
"We're simply not good enough"
Years of terrible board room 'leadership', buying lower league, not up to PL standard players is firmly biting us in the ass. I don't think Garde thought it would be as bad as it currently is, a part of me feels sorry for him (albeit he's not blameless over the last 10)
I know Garde wants to bring in another 3 at least to help the team. I don't think it will or would make a slight difference. We are rotten to the core. Even if we bring in 3 better players, won't be long till the mentality within the squad and the rot takes hold of them too.
We are now firmly in a situation where we need to clear the decks and start again. Too many people in the club who shouldn't be making board decisions and too many players with a fragile mentality and losers attitude.
i don't think anyone or any signings can save us now. Lerner, Tom Fox and the internal setup need to be held accountable for the mess we are in. The AGM in a couple weeks should be spicy....
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What was Garde's problem with shaking hand with BFS?
The fat fuck Allardyce refused to shake hands with him before the game so Garde refused after. His comment being it's easy to shake hands after when you've won yet somehow Allardyce couldn't do it before.
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I was in favour of appointing Garde, but I honestly think the players are such a bunch of wankers I'd now inflict Pearson on them.
I think it will take some kind of sociopath to overpower the dead hand of Lerner and to get these fuckers to even try.
I know what you mean.
Garde came in to a team which had just produced W1 D1 L8.
And not only that, the one W was the first day of the season, and we had 6 or 7 losses on the trot.
You've got to be a fucking magician to turn that around.
I read people saying Garde has improved nothing and absolutely disagree with them. We look organised and as if we are trying to play in a certain way under Garde. Under Sherwood, I could barely work out what we were even trying to do at any time.
That's something that has changed.
Is it anything like enough to change our fortunes? Absolutely not.
Why is Garde playing Gestede at all? Well, what are our other options up front - fat Gabby, Kozak who has barely played in ages, Sinclair who manages to be our top scorer despite not being an out and out striker, or who else?
How is he supposed to fashion a working defence out of this collection of wankers? Really, what is the permutation of defenders from our available squad that looks even remotely competent?
There isn't one.
Sherwood was a fucking disaster. Lambert was a disaster, too, but the problems are not all about the manager, for years the club has been run slackly by a detached man-child who got bored of his latest, most expensive toy, and we have had systematic problems which have gone addressed for years.
Unfortunately, I read things like Tom Fox saying "we're building something special" (which he really did say this week), and I just sit here oprn-mouthed, jaw on the floor, thinking "what the absolute FUCK are these people talking about? What fucking planet are they on?"
So, it isn't going to be getting better any time soon, I'm afraid, certainly not this season.
Moan all we like about how we should have appointed Moyes (despite him having turned us down twice, and having been in a job when we needed a new manager) or how we needed Nigel Fucking Pearson (the third Sleaford Mod) or Big Fucking Sam, but none of those would have really changed anything, it would have been a plaster on a massive, gaping blood-spunking whole in our chest, we might have stayed up yes, but we'd just have another season of fighting relegation next year.
If there is one small positive in this whole situation it is that we don't need to spend the rest of the season shitting our pants every match day and calculating how long it will be before some slightly less spangly, less media-attracting club than us makes it mathematically certain that they go down rather than us. We know already that the game is up.
What we need is a new owner, and an absolute fucking enema to flush this entire club clean.
No more absentee, can't be arsed, can't make up his mind if he wants to sell or not, borderline illiterate buffoon of a chairman, no more Charles N'Zogbia style players picking up 70k a week for doing nothing more than looking like a twat when players tweet photos of his latest fashion crimes, no more Gabby Agbonlahor effortlessly drifting from one 50k a week four year deal to the next while contributing three or four goals a season, no more of this shit, we need to be absolutely fucking purged from the top down, and it is looking like that has to start with getting relegated.
If there's one thing any Villa fan should have realised watching that shit today, it is that the time for hastily applied plasters / bandages has been and gone a long time ago, this club needs change from the very top down.
I agree with a lot of that, but have to disagree with the bits about Garde. I honestly can't see any evidence of organisation in the games I have seen and we still seem to be unable to find a way to deliver a decent set piece. I want him to do well, but Garde looks as lost as his predecessors did and is sinking fast.
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Where is the AGM
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Mackems not impressed with our pathetic losers at all. Players are a disgrace to the name of our club.
Don't like us much either.
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I was in favour of Garde but, while I think there has been some improvement in terms of general play, it is beginning to look a lot like getting the right man at the wrong time. He doesn't come across as inspiring enough to put the necessary fight and fire in the belly that a relegation scrap needs, and that might have seen us battle to some points at Norwich or Sunderland. Too many players still seem to be just going through the motions. I know he hasn't got much to choose from but surely Bunn or the other young fella can't be any more of a liability than the hopelessly inept Guzan, surely Kozak can't be any less effective than Gestede, and surely a sulking Richards couldn't be a worse RB than Hutton. Why not at least give these a try?
Steer has just decided to extend his stay at Huddersfield for the season.
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Mackems not impressed with our pathetic losers at all. Players are a disgrace to the name of our club.
Don't like us much either.
Everyone loves a big club getting shafted.
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The second and third goals are the reason why we are down there, both utterly woeful. We've been beaten by a team who on the day were worse than us and that sums or season up.
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Mackems not impressed with our pathetic losers at all. Players are a disgrace to the name of our club.
Don't like us much either.
Everyone loves a big club getting shafted.
Fuck 'em.
The irony must be lost on them that they'll be down with us.
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Didn't go today but like everyone else am totally gutted. The last nail was hammered on.
The way forward? Need a strong manager who knows the leagues and a squad of players who will at least fight for the shirt they are wearing.
Tommy Doc was right so it is proved you can hang the Villa shirts out and the fans will be there. Doesn't appear to be any heartbeat inside the shirts.
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The second and third goals are the reason why we are down there, both utterly woeful. We've been beaten by a team who on the day were worse than us and that sums or season up.
We were at least the match for Norwich but ended up with egg on our faces.
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Doesn't appear to be any heartbeat inside the shirts.
No fight on the pitch no but god help anyone who takes on Captain Courageous on Twitter.
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The second and third goals are the reason why we are down there, both utterly woeful. We've been beaten by a team who on the day were worse than us and that sums or season up.
We were at least the match for Norwich but ended up with egg on our faces.
I thought Norwich were very comfortable against us, we barely mustered a shot.
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Where have all the 'we mustn't make it personal about that nice Mr Lerner' brigade disappeared to? Mind you, I'm glad they have disappeared
Calling someone a 'wanker' and 'scum' is childish and uncalled for. I hope you're very proud.
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Just on the way back
i accept we are going down you end up where you deserve after a full season. what i cannot accept after 40 years supporting AVFC is Tom Fox telling me as a supporter we are at the start of something special. Please Mr Fox i am no mug please do not treat me as one with your utter garbage . you and Mr Lerner have ruined my club and made us a national emabarrassment not only this year but the previous 4 years.
If you Mr Fox disagree with my comment i rest my case with one fact
0/19 wins, go figure
every word YES
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Where have all the 'we mustn't make it personal about that nice Mr Lerner' brigade disappeared to? Mind you, I'm glad they have disappeared
Calling someone a 'wanker' and 'scum' is childish and uncalled for. I hope you're very proud.
Is idiot OK?
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Doesn't appear to be any heartbeat inside the shirts.
No fight on the pitch no but god help anyone who takes on Captain Courageous on Twitter.
He seems to have gone rather quiet since his Crimbo grizzle. Bless. ::)
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Where have all the 'we mustn't make it personal about that nice Mr Lerner' brigade disappeared to? Mind you, I'm glad they have disappeared
Calling someone a 'wanker' and 'scum' is childish and uncalled for. I hope you're very proud.
Is idiot OK?
It's less offensive, so yes.
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How about twat?
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Where have all the 'we mustn't make it personal about that nice Mr Lerner' brigade disappeared to? Mind you, I'm glad they have disappeared
Calling someone a 'wanker' and 'scum' is childish and uncalled for. I hope you're very proud.
I have to agree with you on the above Clampy, but FFS...it gets boring you jumping on every comment someone makes. You/we know it's a stupid comment, but...???
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I don't think deep down Lerner is a bad person..I just think with his inherited money he bought a plane he couldn't fly.. Bringing in fox as his flying instructor hasn't helped him.. He's now sat with a jumbo jet he can't sell and it's therefore just sat at the end of some runway slowly rotting away.
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The second and third goals are the reason why we are down there, both utterly woeful. We've been beaten by a team who on the day were worse than us and that sums or season up.
We were at least the match for Norwich but ended up with egg on our faces.
I thought Norwich were very comfortable against us, we barely mustered a shot.
We were the better team by a mile.
Right up to the point at which they scored, totally against the run of play, which is when our shoulders dropped, we looked beaten and there was only going to be one winner.
And that is the story of this season.
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idiot is probably the worst insult of them all
very personal
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I can see the atmosphere at our remaining home games being very poisonous.
Good, it's about time it turned. The unrelenting support the team has received whilst basically slapping their balls off the heads of the paying customers as they put minimal effort in on the pitch and the training ground cannot go on. There's no anger, direction or standards set by those at the top so it should come from the support. Let those fuckers know exactly what we think of them.
I cant think of a single Villa player I like. I wouldn't shed a tear if they were all sold tomorrow, not a single one.
I was saying this today, normally there is someone you like, I don't relate to or like any of them and I hate it
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The second and third goals are the reason why we are down there, both utterly woeful. We've been beaten by a team who on the day were worse than us and that sums or season up.
We were at least the match for Norwich but ended up with egg on our faces.
I thought Norwich were very comfortable against us, we barely mustered a shot.
We were the better team by a mile.
Right up to the point at which they scored, totally against the run of play, which is when our shoulders dropped, we looked beaten and there was only going to be one winner.
And that is the story of this season.
Which unfortunately was after about 25 minutes wasn't it? Leaving the other 70 to be a routine home win. I recall one shot, late on, in about the 90th minute.
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The second and third goals are the reason why we are down there, both utterly woeful. We've been beaten by a team who on the day were worse than us and that sums or season up.
We were at least the match for Norwich but ended up with egg on our faces.
I thought Norwich were very comfortable against us, we barely mustered a shot.
We were the better team by a mile.
Right up to the point at which they scored, totally against the run of play, which is when our shoulders dropped, we looked beaten and there was only going to be one winner.
And that is the story of this season.
Agree. We score a wonder goal like we did after afterwards and we still don't have the confidence to go on and get something.
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Where have all the 'we mustn't make it personal about that nice Mr Lerner' brigade disappeared to? Mind you, I'm glad they have disappeared
Calling someone a 'wanker' and 'scum' is childish and uncalled for. I hope you're very proud.
You might want to have a word with the supporters at the game today then, as there was a clear airing of 'Randy Lerner, what a wanker'
It's about time I should say. Not that he will even be aware should he feel like giving a fuck
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Where have all the 'we mustn't make it personal about that nice Mr Lerner' brigade disappeared to? Mind you, I'm glad they have disappeared
Calling someone a 'wanker' and 'scum' is childish and uncalled for. I hope you're very proud.
I think a lot of your comments are uncalled for. I hope you're similarly very proud. Shall we agree at 'twat' or would you prefer something stronger or less strong than that? Just let me know, I'm happy to call him whatever you deem appropriate
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Where have all the 'we mustn't make it personal about that nice Mr Lerner' brigade disappeared to? Mind you, I'm glad they have disappeared
Calling someone a 'wanker' and 'scum' is childish and uncalled for. I hope you're very proud.
I think a lot of your comments are uncalled for. I hope you're similarly very proud. Shall we agree at 'twat' or would you prefer something stronger or less strong than that? Just let me know, I'm happy to call him whatever you deem appropriate
Which of my comments do you think are uncalled for? Would you like to point them out? I'll be waiting.
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Where have all the 'we mustn't make it personal about that nice Mr Lerner' brigade disappeared to? Mind you, I'm glad they have disappeared
Calling someone a 'wanker' and 'scum' is childish and uncalled for. I hope you're very proud.
come on clampy I bet a pound to a penny you've been called a wanker before
I know I have ;)
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The majority of them, I'd have trouble picking any out in particular. Don't wait too long as I'm off out, it's Saturday night, have a good one - as I said, let me know what you want me to call Lerner and I'm happy to go with that. I don't wish to offend anyone, least of all you.
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The majority of them, I'd have trouble picking any out in particular. Don't wait too long as I'm off out, it's Saturday night, have a good one - as I said, let me know what you want me to call Lerner and I'm happy to go with that. I don't wish to offend anyone, least of all you.
I'll still be waiting, there's always tomorrow to find one of them and maybe next week. Nice cop out though.
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How about people stop baiting each other and stop turning this place into a playground, especially with some of the really snide comments that are being made recently. Take this as a friendly, and only, warning. Continue and you'll be finding somewhere else to post.
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The second and third goals are the reason why we are down there, both utterly woeful. We've been beaten by a team who on the day were worse than us and that sums or season up.
We were at least the match for Norwich but ended up with egg on our faces.
I thought Norwich were very comfortable against us, we barely mustered a shot.
We were the better team by a mile.
Right up to the point at which they scored, totally against the run of play, which is when our shoulders dropped, we looked beaten and there was only going to be one winner.
And that is the story of this season.
Which unfortunately was after about 25 minutes wasn't it? Leaving the other 70 to be a routine home win. I recall one shot, late on, in about the 90th minute.
I think this is the point and why some think Garde is doing something right, we start off looking OK organised until we concede, then we turn to garbage.
As Mike Tyson said, "every one has a strategy until you punch them in the face" .
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The second and third goals are the reason why we are down there, both utterly woeful. We've been beaten by a team who on the day were worse than us and that sums or season up.
We were at least the match for Norwich but ended up with egg on our faces.
I thought Norwich were very comfortable against us, we barely mustered a shot.
We were the better team by a mile.
Right up to the point at which they scored, totally against the run of play, which is when our shoulders dropped, we looked beaten and there was only going to be one winner.
And that is the story of this season.
Agree. We score a wonder goal like we did after afterwards and we still don't have the confidence to go on and get something.
And that is precisely why we are going down.
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The second and third goals are the reason why we are down there, both utterly woeful. We've been beaten by a team who on the day were worse than us and that sums or season up.
We were at least the match for Norwich but ended up with egg on our faces.
I thought Norwich were very comfortable against us, we barely mustered a shot.
We were the better team by a mile.
Right up to the point at which they scored, totally against the run of play, which is when our shoulders dropped, we looked beaten and there was only going to be one winner.
And that is the story of this season.
Which unfortunately was after about 25 minutes wasn't it? Leaving the other 70 to be a routine home win. I recall one shot, late on, in about the 90th minute.
I think this is the point and why some think Garde is doing something right, we start off looking OK organised until we concede, then we turn to garbage.
As Mike Tyson said, "every one has a strategy until you punch them in the face" .
Everyone, except Randy Lerner.
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Mackems not impressed with our pathetic losers at all. Players are a disgrace to the name of our club.
Don't like us much either.
I thought that too, quite sad reading that, over the years most people I have encountered always seemed to have a good word about the Villa, I think the last five years has changed that, people must be sick to death of us and just want us gone I know I'd feel the same if I wasn't a Villa fan.
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I was in favour of appointing Garde, but I honestly think the players are such a bunch of wankers I'd now inflict Pearson on them.
I think it will take some kind of sociopath to overpower the dead hand of Lerner and to get these fuckers to even try.
I know what you mean.
Garde came in to a team which had just produced W1 D1 L8.
And not only that, the one W was the first day of the season, and we had 6 or 7 losses on the trot.
You've got to be a fucking magician to turn that around.
I read people saying Garde has improved nothing and absolutely disagree with them. We look organised and as if we are trying to play in a certain way under Garde. Under Sherwood, I could barely work out what we were even trying to do at any time.
That's something that has changed.
Is it anything like enough to change our fortunes? Absolutely not.
Why is Garde playing Gestede at all? Well, what are our other options up front - fat Gabby, Kozak who has barely played in ages, Sinclair who manages to be our top scorer despite not being an out and out striker, or who else?
How is he supposed to fashion a working defence out of this collection of wankers? Really, what is the permutation of defenders from our available squad that looks even remotely competent?
There isn't one.
Sherwood was a fucking disaster. Lambert was a disaster, too, but the problems are not all about the manager, for years the club has been run slackly by a detached man-child who got bored of his latest, most expensive toy, and we have had systematic problems which have gone addressed for years.
Unfortunately, I read things like Tom Fox saying "we're building something special" (which he really did say this week), and I just sit here oprn-mouthed, jaw on the floor, thinking "what the absolute FUCK are these people talking about? What fucking planet are they on?"
So, it isn't going to be getting better any time soon, I'm afraid, certainly not this season.
Moan all we like about how we should have appointed Moyes (despite him having turned us down twice, and having been in a job when we needed a new manager) or how we needed Nigel Fucking Pearson (the third Sleaford Mod) or Big Fucking Sam, but none of those would have really changed anything, it would have been a plaster on a massive, gaping blood-spunking whole in our chest, we might have stayed up yes, but we'd just have another season of fighting relegation next year.
If there is one small positive in this whole situation it is that we don't need to spend the rest of the season shitting our pants every match day and calculating how long it will be before some slightly less spangly, less media-attracting club than us makes it mathematically certain that they go down rather than us. We know already that the game is up.
What we need is a new owner, and an absolute fucking enema to flush this entire club clean.
No more absentee, can't be arsed, can't make up his mind if he wants to sell or not, borderline illiterate buffoon of a chairman, no more Charles N'Zogbia style players picking up 70k a week for doing nothing more than looking like a twat when players tweet photos of his latest fashion crimes, no more Gabby Agbonlahor effortlessly drifting from one 50k a week four year deal to the next while contributing three or four goals a season, no more of this shit, we need to be absolutely fucking purged from the top down, and it is looking like that has to start with getting relegated.
If there's one thing any Villa fan should have realised watching that shit today, it is that the time for hastily applied plasters / bandages has been and gone a long time ago, this club needs change from the very top down.
I agree with a lot of that, but have to disagree with the bits about Garde. I honestly can't see any evidence of organisation in the games I have seen and we still seem to be unable to find a way to deliver a decent set piece. I want him to do well, but Garde looks as lost as his predecessors did and is sinking fast.
Same here Tom. I know Garde has been dealt a shit hand, but I can't see any improvement at all from Sherwood's start to the season. Blindly flailing around to find a formation that works, then changing it completely the next week. Norwich and Sunderland won't have two more easy games all season. And there's no point whatsoever in playing Gestede with no proper wide men. I know Gabby is fat lazy and washed up, but he'd be more use than Gestede at the moment, who when he's passed the ball looks like one of those lost Amazonian tribesmen on being handed a mobile phone.
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I know Gabby is fat lazy and washed up, but he'd be more use than Gestede at the moment, who when he's passed the ball looks like one of those lost Amazonian tribesmen on being handed a mobile phone.
Ha ha.
He's fucking rubbish.
And Gabby is really no better, the fat waster.
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Mackems not impressed with our pathetic losers at all. Players are a disgrace to the name of our club.
Don't like us much either.
I thought that too, quite sad reading that, over the years most people I have encountered always seemed to have a good word about the Villa, I think the last five years has changed that, people must be sick to death of us and just want us gone I know I'd feel the same if I wasn't a Villa fan.
You're joking aren't you? The likes of Arsenal and Manchester United will be gutted as it will be a guaranteed six points a season gone.
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garde has made no impact whatsover
he knows the defence is shit so are the coaches drilling them 3 hours a day?
he knows we cant score so keeps playing justhead
nothing against the bloke but fuck me no wins in 9 would get most managers the push
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Mackems not impressed with our pathetic losers at all. Players are a disgrace to the name of our club.
Don't like us much either.
I thought that too, quite sad reading that, over the years most people I have encountered always seemed to have a good word about the Villa, I think the last five years has changed that, people must be sick to death of us and just want us gone I know I'd feel the same if I wasn't a Villa fan.
You're joking aren't you? The likes of Arsenal and Manchester United will be gutted as it will be a guaranteed six points a season gone.
And Stoke and Southampton and...............
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garde has made no impact whatsover
he knows the defence is shit so are the coaches drilling them 3 hours a day?
he knows we cant score so keeps playing justhead
nothing against the bloke but fuck me no wins in 9 would get most managers the push
0 wins in 9 is nothing to us, it's a standard run. Lambert got 3 and a half years before they flushed him, as long as you cosy up and be a bosses boy and keep schtum Villa is an easy ride, virtually nothing is expected from you apart from being a good yes man.
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Well I've had a fkin wolves fan text me to say they have a guaranteed 6 points next season..a fkin wolves fan.!!!
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garde has made no impact whatsover
he knows the defence is shit so are the coaches drilling them 3 hours a day?
he knows we cant score so keeps playing justhead
nothing against the bloke but fuck me no wins in 9 would get most managers the push
0 wins in 9 is nothing to us, it's a standard run. Lambert got 3 and a half years before they flushed him, as long as you cosy up and be a bosses boy and keep schtum Villa is an easy ride, virtually nothing is expected from you apart from being a good yes man.
true, we have been saints over 5 seasons.
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garde has made no impact whatsover
he knows the defence is shit so are the coaches drilling them 3 hours a day?
he knows we cant score so keeps playing justhead
nothing against the bloke but fuck me no wins in 9 would get most managers the push
0 wins in 9 is nothing to us, it's a standard run. Lambert got 3 and a half years before they flushed him, as long as you cosy up and be a bosses boy and keep schtum Villa is an easy ride, virtually nothing is expected from you apart from being a good yes man.
Thats why i think Garde is finished apart from the results of course. Will be looked on as too much a Lerner man for next season. SGT when he came in gave the impression he was battling Ellis and the way the club was run, as much as he was tackling the playing side. Certainly remember him issuing a few threats Doug's way through the media. We need someone of that ilk come May. Someone who's doing Lerner a favour managing us and big enough to walk away if the fuckwits above keep interfering
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Just got back from the game, in my opinion the difference between the 2 sides was Jermaine Defoe..that little bit of premiership knowhow is what we sadly lack. Also with Allardyce in charge they have a manager with, again that Premiership knowhow which will give them a fighting chance of staying up. That Bacuna throw in must rank alongside the Steve Hodge back pass all those years ago. Overall we are a team with absolutey no fight in us whatsoever which I find the most disgraceful aspect of our current plight.
And to cap off a F**king shit day, I returned to my car with a lovely parking ticket left on the windscreen...I actually laughed for the first time in ages after a Villa game!!
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1987 all over again. A five year slide to the inevitable. A change of manager that fails to change things. And any hope of turning it around gone by the turn of the year. And an owner acting like a rabbit caught in the headlights. Except instead of being down by Easter it will be done and dusted by Valentines day.
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1987 all over again. A five year slide to the inevitable. A change of manager that fails to change things. And any hope of turning it around gone by the turn of the year. And an owner acting like a rabbit caught in the headlights. Except instead of being down by Easter it will be done and dusted by Valentines day.
At least we won a few games in 86/87.
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Should of gone with Roberto Martinez like I said four years ago.
even Mark Hughes
we would still be in Prem at least
I remember him leaving Fulham and thought hes nailed on for Villa now . I wasnt sure about it but Mcgrath Id love him now.
Wasn't it the way he behaved that put Randy off apparently?
Whereas McLeish acted with integrity.
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Well I've had a fkin wolves fan text me to say they have a guaranteed 6 points next season..a fkin wolves fan.!!!
hard to argue at the mo
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I suppose our inevitable relegation is so spectacularly crap it's going to set a new record for awfulness.
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Mackems not impressed with our pathetic losers at all. Players are a disgrace to the name of our club.
Don't like us much either.
I thought that too, quite sad reading that, over the years most people I have encountered always seemed to have a good word about the Villa, I think the last five years has changed that, people must be sick to death of us and just want us gone I know I'd feel the same if I wasn't a Villa fan.
You're joking aren't you? The likes of Arsenal and Manchester United will be gutted as it will be a guaranteed six points a season gone.
They'll miss us when we're gone, not before.
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Feel for those fans who traveled up there today, sang their hearts out and not even been acknowledged by the players, that said, they're probably incapable of clapping their hands together. Never mind though, they've probably been at home a couple of hours already after FLYING home from Sunderland. If it had been my way I would have made them make their own way home. (They'd probably end up lost though)
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On top of all the other ways this squad fail, I don't think I have ever seen such a stupid Villa squad. All the lot of them are thick. They are totally incapable of the power of thought. They play like zombies. It is as though they have had their brains sucked out. Hutton, Guzan, Grealish, Richardson, Agbonlahor, Richards, Bacuna, Westwood, Gestede, Sanchez, Gana, Lescott, Clark each and every one unable to engage what few brain cells they have. I have never seen games tossed away with such stupid disregard. It is just like the Spurs game writ large. A giant f*ck you to the supporters and the public in general.
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On top of all the other ways this squad fail, I don't think I have ever seen such a stupid Villa squad. All the lot of them are thick. They are totally incapable of the power of thought. They play like zombies. It is as though they have had their brains sucked out. Hutton, Guzan, Grealish, Richardson, Agbonlahor, Richards, Bacuna, Westwood, Gestede, Sanchez, Gana, Lescott, Clark each and every one unable to engage what few brain cells they have. I have never seen games tossed away with such stupid disregard. It is just like the Spurs game writ large. A giant f*ck you to the supporters and the public in general.
It really does feel like they are doing it on purpose they are so utterly pathetic
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I should imagine all the players want the season to be over as soon as possible and then get sold to other clubs..the thought of being here next season probably terrifies them..it does me !
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I'm guessing there will be no end of season party this year either?
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Sadly not at all surprised at the result ,have come to expect it.
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I'm guessing there will be no end of season party this year either?
It's next week*
*(c) Stan Boardman 1836
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I'm guessing there will be no end of season party this year either?
That's after the Wycombe game.
/baddumtish
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After lurking threads here for years I think I need to write something about how fed up I am just as closure so I can hopefully forget the lot of them and move on.
I'm 31, have been following Villa since I was in my early teens, even enduring season tickets under Lambert, and in all those years - when there have been plenty of bad Villa teams, and bad Villa players - I can't remember anything even approaching the level of awful that this current crop have become. I cling to Veretout as a good player, desperate to still have a 'favourite', but if I'm honest he's our best player and he's still terrible. Front to back the squad is awful and their league place is well deserved- in previous seasons I've been able to trick myself into thinking we were unlucky, or things just weren't quite clicking, this year I just watch with amazement at how utterly dire we are. Today Sunderland were so so so bad, and seemed to be actively trying to sabotage themselves (I thought the same v West Ham), giving the ball away time after time and inviting Villa on, perhaps comfortable in the fact they could give Villa 1,000 chances before they actually put together a coherent move. Yes, the Gil goal was nice, but how many times did Traore try that same run and fuck it up? At least I understand why he doesn't start now, 99% of the time he looked a liability.
I was cautiously optimistic about Houilier, tolerated Mcleish, was hopeful and then gradually worn down by Lambert, disgusted with Sherwood and now just feel sorry for Garde.
I remember the last time I felt this fed up was DOL's last season, when the state we were in felt so completely un-Villa. We were a top 8 club at worst, still really top 6 in my mind, and the shaky last years of Ellis were just a blip, something that the MON years confirmed by restoring us to some sort of status. Over the last five years I haven't really noticed as my expectations were lowered again and again to the point that it feels only right that now we're going down. How can it have come to this? How has no one within the club managed to halt this decline? How have we fucked up both a policy of spending big on proven players and then also a policy of buying youth? And how has it got to the point that I am actually nostalgic about having Luke Young at left back? Luke Young?
And why when the hierarchy changes their mind about the buying/playing philosophies do we just disappear well paid players? Can you think of any other club that does that? What can Kozak be doing that is so atrocious that only now, past the point of no return, does he even get on the bench? What was the Ilori signing about? Or Crespo? Zogs has never exactly impressed me, but when the alternative is playing Bacuna in midfield (or like last week bloody Richardson) surely he's worth a look, regardless of how much he's earning?
This is a rambling, incoherent collection of thoughts, because its five years of growing frustration that not only is the club I love slowly dying, but that so many of the problems seem so obvious to those outside the club that they don't make any sense. And I need to write it down, as I said, so I can draw a line under it, and get on with not caring about the rest of the season.
I'm done, I'm not attending or otherwise following another game. Luckily as of the end of February I am out of the country travelling until christmas, so even if I'm tempted they'll be playing in the middle of the night. Maybe when I get back we will have actually rebuilt sensibly in the championship and I can enjoy a half season ticket of us handing out thrashings to Blues and friends.
A man can dream.
Great post, don't wait so many years next time. Hope your travels go well, try and fit Bacuna in your suitcase please.
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Watching Match of the Day it's utterly embarrassing
They should be ashamed
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On top of all the other ways this squad fail, I don't think I have ever seen such a stupid Villa squad. All the lot of them are thick. They are totally incapable of the power of thought. They play like zombies. It is as though they have had their brains sucked out. Hutton, Guzan, Grealish, Richardson, Agbonlahor, Richards, Bacuna, Westwood, Gestede, Sanchez, Gana, Lescott, Clark each and every one unable to engage what few brain cells they have. I have never seen games tossed away with such stupid disregard. It is just like the Spurs game writ large. A giant f*ck you to the supporters and the public in general.
It really does feel like they are doing it on purpose they are so utterly pathetic
I would think some of them aren't bothered about the prospect of relegation. They'll be on the same money and playing at a level they are more suited to. In fact I'm sure some of them will be welcoming it as it might mean them having more of a chance of playing,
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Is it Match of the Day or is it the Keystone Cops? Wonderful goal by Gil though.
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Once they got their second that was it over. Our lot have clearly thrown in the towel...we can only curse our back luck to a point, then it becomes self pity which too many players seem to be hiding behind.
All I hope is that neither Sunderland or Newcastle join us next season and Middlesbrough go up because the day I have to make that bloody journey up there again will be one too soon.
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Feel for those fans who traveled up there today, sang their hearts out and not even been acknowledged by the fans, that said, they're probably incapable of clapping their hands together. Never mind though, they've probably been at home a couple of hours already after FLYING home from Sunderland. If it had been my way I would have made them make their own way home. (They'd probably end up lost though)
You mean "acknowledged by the team"? I waited at the end, just out of curiosity to see what the players would do. There was no way they could come over to the away end, with all the booing and jeering. Bacuna gave a bit of a clap from the halfway line, which provoked even more derision. It reminded me of Bradford away, when the players who attempted to applaud us got booed all the more.
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Hutton and Traore added to the injury list now too. Whoopee! Bacuna at right back again. Oh the joy!!
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Our players are disgusting professionals, charlatans the most of them. Would love if we fucked a load of them out of the club asap
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Feel for those fans who traveled up there today, sang their hearts out and not even been acknowledged by the fans, that said, they're probably incapable of clapping their hands together. Never mind though, they've probably been at home a couple of hours already after FLYING home from Sunderland. If it had been my way I would have made them make their own way home. (They'd probably end up lost though)
You mean "acknowledged by the team"? I waited at the end, just out of curiosity to see what the players would do. There was no way they could come over to the away end, with all the booing and jeering. Bacuna gave a bit of a clap from the halfway line, which provoked even more derision. It reminded me of Bradford away, when the players who attempted to applaud us got booed all the more.
When the away fans are in this mood, it is an advance sign of what will happen of at Villa Park. Fun times ahead for the faithful.
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For the first time this season I decided not to get up in the middle of the night to watch the game, I have recorded it but probably won't watch it. I am that angry that I think I will write this season off and as championship games as far as I know don't show over here I will be spared the agony of watching Villa next season.
Thought a lot about our situation and what I think it boils down to is that last season we sold our only two good players and Cleverly. They were the reason we survived last year and were gone to be replaced by
someone's good idea. The plan whoever dreamt it up has been a disaster because not one of the newcomers comes anywhere near the quality that we lost. I don't blame Garde it wouldn't matter which combination of players he picked from the squad on any match day we would still struggle because the players we have just are not very good. Something tells me that there are problems in the change rooms because I see little team spirit in this side.
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Hutton and Traore added to the injury list now too. Whoopee! Bacuna at right back again. Oh the joy!!
There is another option at right back. Unfortunately, he seems intent on masquerading as a centre half.
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When a team has 8 poxy points from 20 games, you know that the whole club is rotten. Think about some of the poorest teams that we've played in the prem over the years...Bradford, Swindon, Derby...we are currently struggling to better their record. It really is a bloody disgrace.
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I thought that too, quite sad reading that, over the years most people I have encountered always seemed to have a good word about the Villa, I think the last five years has changed that, people must be sick to death of us and just want us gone I know I'd feel the same if I wasn't a Villa fan.
Sorry that makes no sense. Why would fans of other clubs be sick to death of a struggling team? I wasn't sick to death of Bolton one Wigan or Blackburn before they finally got relegated. I am sick to death of Chelsea, manure etc.
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Feel for those fans who traveled up there today, sang their hearts out and not even been acknowledged by the fans, that said, they're probably incapable of clapping their hands together. Never mind though, they've probably been at home a couple of hours already after FLYING home from Sunderland. If it had been my way I would have made them make their own way home. (They'd probably end up lost though)
You mean "acknowledged by the team"? I waited at the end, just out of curiosity to see what the players would do. There was no way they could come over to the away end, with all the booing and jeering. Bacuna gave a bit of a clap from the halfway line, which provoked even more derision. It reminded me of Bradford away, when the players who attempted to applaud us got booed all the more.
When the away fans are in this mood, it is an advance sign of what will happen of at Villa Park. Fun times ahead for the faithful.
Yes the fans today really lost patience. The irony was the chant of 'what the f***ing hell was that' in response to Gil's woeful effort prior to his great goal.
If the players had acknowledged us more afterwards, they know they'd have been lambasted.
Mention of Bradford brings back a key moment. The season of the Christmas nightmare and defeats to Millwall and Bradford was when the club truly showed that massive under achievement was acceptable. The board thought that the 'we go again' priciple and a so-called 'plan' that changed all the time was OK.
Any other club of our standing would have done something there and then instead of backing negativity and supporting failure and thus setting the bar ever lower. Moreover, the tacit mocking from board and management to fans for daring to think we should be anywhere near the top simply was a way of reinforcing this stance.
In the last 6 seasons the ongoing affirmation of complete inadequacy from the top has been utterly inexcusable.
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For the first time this season I decided not to get up in the middle of the night to watch the game, I have recorded it but probably won't watch it. I am that angry that I think I will write this season off and as championship games as far as I know don't show over here I will be spared the agony of watching Villa next season.
Thought a lot about our situation and what I think it boils down to is that last season we sold our only two good players and Cleverly. They were the reason we survived last year and were gone to be replaced by
someone's good idea. The plan whoever dreamt it up has been a disaster because not one of the newcomers comes anywhere near the quality that we lost. I don't blame Garde it wouldn't matter which combination of players he picked from the squad on any match day we would still struggle because the players we have just are not very good. Something tells me that there are problems in the change rooms because I see little team spirit in this side.
We've got some functioning players for this level, but where they need to be supplemented by three good players to be competetive, like those you've mentioned, we instead have several terrible, God awaful footballers that would do well to scrape a living in the division below.
Danny Graham was waiting to come on earlier, and I've always thought him to be absolute garbage at this level. And I thought to myself I'd take him in a heartbeat over what we had up front.
We have managed to assemble the most comically inept squad you'd think it was almost impossible without design.
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I thought that too, quite sad reading that, over the years most people I have encountered always seemed to have a good word about the Villa, I think the last five years has changed that, people must be sick to death of us and just want us gone I know I'd feel the same if I wasn't a Villa fan.
Sorry that makes no sense. Why would fans of other clubs be sick to death of a struggling team? I wasn't sick to death of Bolton one Wigan or Blackburn before they finally got relegated. I am sick to death of Chelsea, manure etc.
Apparently we are arrogant, deluded and fickle. I think we are pissed-off, angry and frustrated. I like Sunderland and their fans (since '74 when they showed their class at VP) but that was then this is now. Everybody hates everybody. They do not like the fact we have won the European Cup... whoops...
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Feel for those fans who traveled up there today, sang their hearts out and not even been acknowledged by the fans, that said, they're probably incapable of clapping their hands together. Never mind though, they've probably been at home a couple of hours already after FLYING home from Sunderland. If it had been my way I would have made them make their own way home. (They'd probably end up lost though)
You mean "acknowledged by the team"? I waited at the end, just out of curiosity to see what the players would do. There was no way they could come over to the away end, with all the booing and jeering. Bacuna gave a bit of a clap from the halfway line, which provoked even more derision. It reminded me of Bradford away, when the players who attempted to applaud us got booed all the more.
When the away fans are in this mood, it is an advance sign of what will happen of at Villa Park. Fun times ahead for the faithful.
Yes the fans today really lost patience. The irony was the chant of 'what the f***ing hell was that' in response to Gil's woeful effort prior to his great goal.
If the players had acknowledged us more afterwards, they know they'd have been lambasted.
Mention of Bradford brings back a key moment. The season of the Christmas nightmare and defeats to Millwall and Bradford was when the club truly showed that massive under achievement was acceptable. The board thought that the 'we go again' priciple and a so-called 'plan' that changed all the time was OK.
Any other club of our standing would have done something there and then instead of backing negativity and supporting failure and thus setting the bar ever lower. Moreover, the tacit mocking from board and management to fans for daring to think we should be anywhere near the top simply was a way of reinforcing this stance.
In the last 6 seasons the ongoing affirmation of complete inadequacy from the top has been utterly inexcusable.
That week was a terrible, but strangely enough there was a glimmer of hope in the remainder of that season. We got some good results towards the end of that season and played some good football, but like so many times in the past failed to build on it that summer.
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Edvard sums it up totally - nailed it right on the head, in every aspect of the club from top to bottom.
We are being screwed from and taken advantage of by all concerned. Our Villa is being bled and we are doing nothing about it.
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Amidst all the shit, Christ did we score a terrific goal today.
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Amidst all the shit, Christ did we score a terrific goal today.
Despite the crapness of the last few years, we've scored some absolute stonkers in that time.
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Amidst all the shit, Christ did we score a terrific goal today.
Despite the crapness of the last few years, we've scored some absolute stonkers in that time.
I can't rembember a goal as good as today's in absolutely ages. It deserved to be a winner.
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Maybe the big problem is as someone said recently (apologies I can't remember who) we can score cracking goals but rarely get a scuffed goal or a poachers goal. Even a fair amount of Benteke's were individual/team brilliance rather than a scuffer from a yard out.
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I can't rembember a goal as good as today's in absolutely ages. It deserved to be a winner.
maybe thats the key? get it wide to Adama then get it in the mixer. repeat if necessary.
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Boooooooooooooo. Fucking rubbish.
Hutton at right back still, fucking rubbish
Lescott instead of Okore, fucking rubbish
Gueyes ''workrate'' fucking rubbish
Gil, fucking rubbish
Grealish, ponce, poser and fucking rubbish, heart of a peanut
Gestede, comedy clown of a player, fucking rubbish
Guzan, reflexes of a wooly mammoth, fucking rubbish
No subs at half time, Remi, fucking rubbish, about as exciting as a Jehova Witness knocking at your door.
Gestede playing a full 90, fucking rubbish
Not shocking, because this is our week in week out effort. Some of those corners we take, fucking rubbish, you would have to practice to be that bad at them.
The whole club is bollocksed at the moment. Fox, building something special? Taking us for fucking mugs you gormless fuck wit, fucking rubbish.
These lot have been found out, absolute amateurs the lot of them.
As for Lerner, fucking rubbish is too good a description for him, the wantaway chairman? You sure? One month he's reenergised and enjoying things, the next he is hurting, the next he's back in it and a trip to Wembley, then he wants out again. Fucking brain dead human being, someone put a hit on this c*** and remove him.
All in all, complete Aston Villa again, everyone bar one of two are a shit stain on our good name. Disgusting club right now. Sorry for my language but I've had a bastard enough.
Sums it all up perfectly. What a twat Grealish is,too. Villa fan? Fuck off you twat. Heart of a peanut....it at least made me chuckle.
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On the one hand we could really do with at least three straight league wins to try to say in touch with the rest. On the other hand, if it happens we would probably give the manager a ten year contract.
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Just when I think we must have reached the peak of our utter shitness they go and invent a new level. It's remarkable really.
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What was the rumours of a punch up or fighting among our players?
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What was the rumours of a punch up or fighting among our players?
That would be the first bit of fight they've shown all season.
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The players have given up, just look at their 3rd its all there on show. 4 players and not one of them moved towards the man who'd taken the throw in, no one tight on Defoe and as for Guzan, Jesus wept they're horrendous.
Listening to Jurgan Klopp today getting angry about players only giving 95% it makes you wonder what ours are giving. Yes we're shit and utterly unfit for purpose as a Premier League side but if they stop putting in a decent shift aswell it'll get way worse before it gets better unbelievably.
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The players have given up, just look at their 3rd its all there on show. 4 players and not one of them moved towards the man who'd taken the throw in, no one tight on Defoe and as for Guzan, Jesus wept they're horrendous.
Yep, you have to be pretty bad to let one in when the other team are only really trying to run the clock down.
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After being determined not to watch the goals I reneged only to see that Guzan was in someway responsible for two out of the three, we really need a change.
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we're a joke of a football club from the owner to the absolute shite on the pitch, 2 away games against woeful opposition that could potentially transform our season and we pathetically lose both 5-1. It's a disgrace to the name Aston Villa.
I know I don't have to endure it like you do, I watch on the tv 4000kms away almost every game we get here live or replayed. My missus begged me today to stop watching and pvr the games from now on in just so she doesn't have to hear first thing in the morning me swearing in anger ar 7am, & moping around all pissed off every fuckin weekend!!!
Thanks Randy you complete c**t for ruining as an expat the one thing I look forward to most living here, watching The Villa!!!!
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Hats off and massive respect to those who follow this tripe home and (particularly) away. We've been trying to keep our melbourne-based, supporters club as active as possible with regards to getting people to meet up for the screening of matches, but the absolute joke performances week on end, coupled with matches finishing at 3.45am, has seen interest all but disappear.
BeIN Sports televise Championship matches once in a while but ultimately, if we drop that'll signal the end of us supporters gathering for games in any meaningful way - being huddled around a lap-top to watch some dodgy stream, doesn't quite have the same appeal I fear! At least I'll be saving myself upwards of $1200 by cancelling my own Foxtel subscription next season.
I'm back in the UK for another trip in April and as always, I'll be attending every game available and standing proudly amongst my fellow villa supporters. The issue of 'pride' need not apply for those "players" that disgrace our club with such ease. I've seen so many great players leave our club down the years, be it through transfers or forced retirement, but there isn't one player from this squad I'd genuinely be gutted to lose. The three Jordan's have shown potential to be good players, but they certainly haven't been doing it long enough for me to form any attachment to them. What a pile of shite we've become.
Try and enjoy/salvage the remainder of the weekend folks.
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Just watched MOTD (I didn't bother with a stream of the game). The first was the kind of fluke we simply don't get. The second was poor defending. Holy shit though, the third?
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Watching Match of the Day it's utterly embarrassing
They should be ashamed
I certainly am ashamed of the club at the moment and that's why I never watch it these days. Well done for being less of a bad loser than me and watching it though. And for those such as Frank who still travel all that way to places like Sunderland, I take my hat off to you.
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Some reflections yesterday from a fans' perspective (the players' performance was typically abject, cracking goal aside):
there was a lot of gallows humour and comments about the inevitability of defeat pre and during match but nothing gets the blood pumping like a goal and the giddy optimism in the aftermath where you think "we can win this". We've been so starved of anything good this season that it's going to be an explosion when we finally do bloody win. I hope those of you at Wycombe next week get to enjoy it.
I've never noticed a more muted atmosphere before an away game. Perfectly understandable of course but it makes me wonder how bad it's going to get at VP for the rest of the season. The solution is straightforward- players, give us something to shout about.
What is this chant of "we want our Villa back" all about? My mate said last season when we were romping away with it up there the chant was "we've got our Villa back". Are they only "our" Villa when they're good? Sadly we all know that's not the case, they're ours through thick and thin and this is about as thin as it gets. Anyway, daft chant.
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The second and third goal summed up our whole season and summed up why we're already down. The second one Lescott barely even made an attempt to block it and Guzan was beaten at his near post, not for the first or last time this season.
The third though, just wow. You will not see a funnier or more shambolic goal than that this season, even my father in law who isn't a massive football fan text me during Match Of The Day saying "good defending by the Villa!". Bacuna's throw, Guzan's pass (how many short passes of his have cost us this season?!), then they were trying to waste time in the corner and still scored from it while 6 of our players stood watching around the box. I know they're not very good but things like that make the fans think they've stopped trying.
As for Guzan, is there a worse keeper in the league? Maybe Boruc who is a bit dodgy? His distribution and decision making is awful, look at the passes out at Palace, Chelsea, yesterday. I know the defenders were partly to blame for those goals aswell but you just don't do that, especially when your defenders are crap. He doesn't save anything any more, if a team has 2 or 3 shots on target, they will score 2 or 3.
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On another thread I read about the clangers we make now I can't get a mental picture of our rampant lion on the badge being replaced by a clanger.
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It's not Garde's fault. It's not the crappy team's fault. Lerner, fuck off you useless parasite.
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Blimey! Martin! How are things in Japan?
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It's not Garde's fault. It's not the crappy team's fault. Lerner, fuck off you useless parasite.
Tut, tut, tut
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It's not Garde's fault. It's not the crappy team's fault. Lerner, fuck off you useless parasite.
Where is the like button when you need it. This whole festering shit heap falls ultimately to our distant, disinterested custodian. Happy New year all, Lerner excepted, I hope his cock falls off.
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If we'd have had a competent striker (Kozak) on from the start we might well have scored first which as the first goal is all important might well have seen the result reversed.
You could clearly see it they were playing well until they got the the box where they were reluctant to put it into the box. It's obvious that even the players think Gestede is shit so why he keeps picking him I have no idea.
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Amidst all the shit, Christ did we score a terrific goal today.
Despite the crapness of the last few years, we've scored some absolute stonkers in that time.
All those who went yesterday deserved to see a goal like that, it was just superb.
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Amidst all the shit, Christ did we score a terrific goal today.
Despite the crapness of the last few years, we've scored some absolute stonkers in that time.
I can't rembember a goal as good as today's in absolutely ages. It deserved to be a winner.
Kept away from any football but just saw the goals on SSN. That was a brilliant goal the sort you will see from Barca, Real and man city etc. That combined with two against Leicester are amongst the best goals scored in the PL this season. It's a same we employee paper boys in our defence.
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It's not Garde's fault. It's not the crappy team's fault. Lerner, fuck off you useless parasite.
Where is the like button when you need it. This whole festering shit heap falls ultimately to our distant, disinterested custodian. Happy New year all, Lerner excepted, I hope his cock falls off.
No it is the managers fault, it is the players fault BUT ULTIMATLY IT IS LERNER THE RETARDS FAULT.
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You look at the goals we have to score to get any, bloody screamers or solo jobs, then compare it to some of the goals walked in against us and the effort needed to score against us. Bloody shocking defence and midfield.
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So it's easy to work out our position from the effort it takes for us to score and with ease that opposition score against us!
Position in table=1 brilliant goal/3 easy goals
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It's not Garde's fault. It's not the crappy team's fault. Lerner, fuck off you useless parasite.
Where is the like button when you need it. This whole festering shit heap falls ultimately to our distant, disinterested custodian. Happy New year all, Lerner excepted, I hope his cock falls off.
No it is the managers fault, it is the players fault BUT ULTIMATLY IT IS LERNER THE RETARDS FAULT.
No need.
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Anyone fancy a mass burning of season tickets outside the north stand?
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Great idea but any protests must be outside the Trinity in front of the Mcgregor statue. The great visionary who's ideas formed the original football league should bear witness to our anger. It probably won't achieve anything as our owner seems oblivious to the utter fucking car crash of a once mighty institution. But it would show how much we care. A huge pile of burning season tickets in front of the Mcgregor statue might-just might- attract the attention of our anonymous coward of an owner.
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It's not Garde's fault. It's not the crappy team's fault. Lerner, fuck off you useless parasite.
Where is the like button when you need it. This whole festering shit heap falls ultimately to our distant, disinterested custodian. Happy New year all, Lerner excepted, I hope his cock falls off.
No it is the managers fault, it is the players fault BUT ULTIMATLY IT IS LERNER THE RETARDS FAULT.
No need.
Every need.
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It's not Garde's fault. It's not the crappy team's fault. Lerner, fuck off you useless parasite.
Where is the like button when you need it. This whole festering shit heap falls ultimately to our distant, disinterested custodian. Happy New year all, Lerner excepted, I hope his cock falls off.
No it is the managers fault, it is the players fault BUT ULTIMATLY IT IS LERNER THE RETARDS FAULT.
No need.
Every need.
Perhaps you need to grow up too then.
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It's not Garde's fault. It's not the crappy team's fault. Lerner, fuck off you useless parasite.
Where is the like button when you need it. This whole festering shit heap falls ultimately to our distant, disinterested custodian. Happy New year all, Lerner excepted, I hope his cock falls off.
No it is the managers fault, it is the players fault BUT ULTIMATLY IT IS LERNER THE RETARDS FAULT.
No need.
Every need.
Perhaps you need to grow up too then.
Sorry headmaster.
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Retarded is harsh, he strikes me as more of an idiot savant, without the savant part. A quarter of a billion quid and look at the results. This is stupid on a biblical scale. I'm being kind here, Lerner is an incompetent arsehole,a twat of the highest order. A pox on his house.
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None of this current board are fit for purpose. They've proved to successful in only one sense - and that's failing in their jobs. Utterly clueless.
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Just seen MOTD. the third goal should have been played with the benny hill theme tune. Many of them arent even trying. Ex internationals Richards and lescott are a waste of space
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Retarded is harsh, he strikes me as more of an idiot savant, without the savant part. A quarter of a billion quid and look at the results. This is stupid on a biblical scale. I'm being kind here, Lerner is an incompetent arsehole,a twat of the highest order. A pox on his house.
Well said sir.
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Retarded is harsh, he strikes me as more of an idiot savant, without the savant part. A quarter of a billion quid and look at the results. This is stupid on a biblical scale. I'm being kind here, Lerner is an incompetent arsehole,a twat of the highest order. A pox on his house.
Quality.
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Richards and lescott ex internationals ?
For who
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Just seen MOTD. the third goal should have been played with the benny hill theme tune. Many of them arent even trying. Ex internationals Richards and lescott are a waste of space
The mind boggles at Bacunas throw in. How do you throw the ball straight to your opponents? Guzan?? Don't get me started on that fucking clueless twat. After all his recent fuck ups he attempts to pass the ball in our area and once again completely fucks it up. Don't the guy learn?? What a fucking clown. I am writing to the club to request that the team comes out to the Laurel & Hardy theme tune until further notice. At least we could have a laugh at this pathetic bunch of twats. (maybe 1 or 2 exemptions)
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Richards and lescott ex internationals ?
For who
Indeed. Well past their best before they turned at Villa Park.
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Anyone fancy a mass burning of season tickets outside the north stand?
Great idea but any protests must be outside the Trinity in front of the Mcgregor statue. The great visionary who's ideas formed the original football league should bear witness to our anger. It probably won't achieve anything as our owner seems oblivious to the utter fucking car crash of a once mighty institution. But it would show how much we care. A huge pile of burning season tickets in front of the Mcgregor statue might-just might- attract the attention of our anonymous coward of an owner.
Difficult to set fire to a piece of plastic tbh, and a fire of any sort would only attract negative coverage. Maybe just dumping the 'Bright Future' half of scarves in front of the statue and leaving them in a heap would be a more symbolic, but ultimately fruitless, gesture. The bottom line is Lerner doesn't give a shit about our club any more and Fox would just see it as another 'false narative'
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It's not Garde's fault. It's not the crappy team's fault. Lerner, fuck off you useless parasite.
Where is the like button when you need it. This whole festering shit heap falls ultimately to our distant, disinterested custodian. Happy New year all, Lerner excepted, I hope his cock falls off.
No it is the managers fault, it is the players fault BUT ULTIMATLY IT IS LERNER THE RETARDS FAULT.
No need.
Every need.
Perhaps you need to grow up too then.
Sorry headmaster.
Apology accepted.
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The goal that annoyed me the most was actually their first, with Richards standing as if his arms were tied behind his back despite being a full fifteen yards away from the player with the ball. No wonder he was off balance when the ball then came in his direction.
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The goal that annoyed me the most was actually their first, with Richards standing as if his arms were tied behind his back despite being a full fifteen yards away from the player with the ball. No wonder he was off balance when the ball then came in his direction.
What is it with his ridiculous hands behind the back Tony Moon impression? How big does he think his hands are? Just stand there and defend you cock.
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The goal that annoyed me the most was actually their first, with Richards standing as if his arms were tied behind his back despite being a full fifteen yards away from the player with the ball. No wonder he was off balance when the ball then came in his direction.
What is it with his ridiculous hands behind the back Tony Moon impression? How big does he think his hands are? Just stand there and defend you cock.
That goal also pissed me off because it was a virtual carbon copy of the West Ham goal on boxing day. No cover ahead of Hutton, meaning their left back can advance for an easy pop on goal. You could say we got unlucky when Cresswell struck a beauty into the corner, and we definitely got unlucky yesterday, but equally we repeat the same mistakes over and over again. Two left backs have scored against us in two games, so it's no surprise a wily old goalscorer like Defoe helped himself to a couple.
It cut to Garde after that goal went in and he was clearly seething. The players are utterly stupid and get punished every time, and he doesn't appear to be able to get through to them.
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The goal that annoyed me the most was actually their first, with Richards standing as if his arms were tied behind his back despite being a full fifteen yards away from the player with the ball. No wonder he was off balance when the ball then came in his direction.
What is it with his ridiculous hands behind the back Tony Moon impression? How big does he think his hands are? Just stand there and defend you cock.
That goal also pissed me off because it was a virtual carbon copy of the West Ham goal on boxing day. No cover ahead of Hutton, meaning their left back can advance for an easy pop on goal. You could say we got unlucky when Cresswell struck a beauty into the corner, and we definitely got unlucky yesterday, but equally we repeat the same mistakes over and over again. Two left backs have scored against us in two games, so it's no surprise a wily old goalscorer like Defoe helped himself to a couple.
It cut to Garde after that goal went in and he was clearly seething. The players are utterly stupid and get punished every time, and he doesn't appear to be able to get through to them.
The needless fouls by Bacuna and Gueye have also been a theme.
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The goal that annoyed me the most was actually their first, with Richards standing as if his arms were tied behind his back despite being a full fifteen yards away from the player with the ball. No wonder he was off balance when the ball then came in his direction.
What is it with his ridiculous hands behind the back Tony Moon impression? How big does he think his hands are? Just stand there and defend you cock.
That goal also pissed me off because it was a virtual carbon copy of the West Ham goal on boxing day. No cover ahead of Hutton, meaning their left back can advance for an easy pop on goal. You could say we got unlucky when Cresswell struck a beauty into the corner, and we definitely got unlucky yesterday, but equally we repeat the same mistakes over and over again. Two left backs have scored against us in two games, so it's no surprise a wily old goalscorer like Defoe helped himself to a couple.
It cut to Garde after that goal went in and he was clearly seething. The players are utterly stupid and get punished every time, and he doesn't appear to be able to get through to them.
The needless fouls by Bacuna and Gueye have also been a theme.
True. We give away so many needless fouls in dangerous areas and it's been going on for well before Garde turned up. I think it's more down to the low standard of players we have in the squad. The players get frustrated and just hack away at the opposition players.
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The goal that annoyed me the most was actually their first, with Richards standing as if his arms were tied behind his back despite being a full fifteen yards away from the player with the ball. No wonder he was off balance when the ball then came in his direction.
What is it with his ridiculous hands behind the back Tony Moon impression? How big does he think his hands are? Just stand there and defend you cock.
That goal also pissed me off because it was a virtual carbon copy of the West Ham goal on boxing day. No cover ahead of Hutton, meaning their left back can advance for an easy pop on goal. You could say we got unlucky when Cresswell struck a beauty into the corner, and we definitely got unlucky yesterday, but equally we repeat the same mistakes over and over again. Two left backs have scored against us in two games, so it's no surprise a wily old goalscorer like Defoe helped himself to a couple.
It cut to Garde after that goal went in and he was clearly seething. The players are utterly stupid and get punished every time, and he doesn't appear to be able to get through to them.
The needless fouls by Bacuna and Gueye have also been a theme.
True. We give away so many needless fouls in dangerous areas and it's been going on for well before Garde turned up. I think it's more down to the low standard of players we have in the squad. The players get frustrated and just hack away at the opposition players.
Yep, Clark and Baker in particular have always been prone to needless fouls in dangerous areas.
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The goal that annoyed me the most was actually their first, with Richards standing as if his arms were tied behind his back despite being a full fifteen yards away from the player with the ball. No wonder he was off balance when the ball then came in his direction.
What is it with his ridiculous hands behind the back Tony Moon impression? How big does he think his hands are? Just stand there and defend you cock.
That goal also pissed me off because it was a virtual carbon copy of the West Ham goal on boxing day. No cover ahead of Hutton, meaning their left back can advance for an easy pop on goal. You could say we got unlucky when Cresswell struck a beauty into the corner, and we definitely got unlucky yesterday, but equally we repeat the same mistakes over and over again. Two left backs have scored against us in two games, so it's no surprise a wily old goalscorer like Defoe helped himself to a couple.
It cut to Garde after that goal went in and he was clearly seething. The players are utterly stupid and get punished every time, and he doesn't appear to be able to get through to them.
The needless fouls by Bacuna and Gueye have also been a theme.
As have their continual rubbish impressions of a professional footballer.
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The goal that annoyed me the most was actually their first, with Richards standing as if his arms were tied behind his back despite being a full fifteen yards away from the player with the ball. No wonder he was off balance when the ball then came in his direction.
What is it with his ridiculous hands behind the back Tony Moon impression? How big does he think his hands are? Just stand there and defend you cock.
That goal also pissed me off because it was a virtual carbon copy of the West Ham goal on boxing day. No cover ahead of Hutton, meaning their left back can advance for an easy pop on goal. You could say we got unlucky when Cresswell struck a beauty into the corner, and we definitely got unlucky yesterday, but equally we repeat the same mistakes over and over again. Two left backs have scored against us in two games, so it's no surprise a wily old goalscorer like Defoe helped himself to a couple.
It cut to Garde after that goal went in and he was clearly seething. The players are utterly stupid and get punished every time, and he doesn't appear to be able to get through to them.
Garde looks like a rabbit caught in the headlights. He doesn't come across as being capable of bollocking them in the dressing room to me.
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The goal that annoyed me the most was actually their first, with Richards standing as if his arms were tied behind his back despite being a full fifteen yards away from the player with the ball. No wonder he was off balance when the ball then came in his direction.
What is it with his ridiculous hands behind the back Tony Moon impression? How big does he think his hands are? Just stand there and defend you cock.
That goal also pissed me off because it was a virtual carbon copy of the West Ham goal on boxing day. No cover ahead of Hutton, meaning their left back can advance for an easy pop on goal. You could say we got unlucky when Cresswell struck a beauty into the corner, and we definitely got unlucky yesterday, but equally we repeat the same mistakes over and over again. Two left backs have scored against us in two games, so it's no surprise a wily old goalscorer like Defoe helped himself to a couple.
It cut to Garde after that goal went in and he was clearly seething. The players are utterly stupid and get punished every time, and he doesn't appear to be able to get through to them.
Garde looks like a rabbit caught in the headlights. He doesn't come across as being capable of bollocking them in the dressing room to me.
Bollocking - you think they'll respond to that? You think they (will) care.
'What happened at work today?'
'The boss bollocked us but as you know we are professional footballers so whoever does it, it is like being savaged by a sheep.'
'Oh right - are you ok?'
'fine but some expro hurt my feelings on Twitter saying I made a mistake, which I didn't and even if I did it is none of his business despite being paid to point things out'
'Nevermind D arling - look at the new car we are buying to replace last month's model. I'll forgive you shagging that slapper in that trendy London nightspot if you buy this.''
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The goal that annoyed me the most was actually their first, with Richards standing as if his arms were tied behind his back despite being a full fifteen yards away from the player with the ball. No wonder he was off balance when the ball then came in his direction.
What is it with his ridiculous hands behind the back Tony Moon impression? How big does he think his hands are? Just stand there and defend you cock.
That goal also pissed me off because it was a virtual carbon copy of the West Ham goal on boxing day. No cover ahead of Hutton, meaning their left back can advance for an easy pop on goal. You could say we got unlucky when Cresswell struck a beauty into the corner, and we definitely got unlucky yesterday, but equally we repeat the same mistakes over and over again. Two left backs have scored against us in two games, so it's no surprise a wily old goalscorer like Defoe helped himself to a couple.
It cut to Garde after that goal went in and he was clearly seething. The players are utterly stupid and get punished every time, and he doesn't appear to be able to get through to them.
Garde looks like a rabbit caught in the headlights. He doesn't come across as being capable of bollocking them in the dressing room to me.
Bollocking - you think they'll respond to that? You think they (will) care.
'What happened at work today?'
'The boss bollocked us but as you know we are professional footballers so whoever does it, it is like being savaged by a sheep.'
'Oh right - are you ok?'
'fine but some expro hurt my feelings on Twitter saying I made a mistake, which I didn't and even if I did it is none of his business despite being paid to point things out'
'Nevermind D arling - look at the new car we are buying to replace last month's model. I'll forgive you shagging that slapper in that trendy London nightspot if you buy this.''
As their manager it's part of his job.
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Right. Thats it.
After spending years watching all contributions both mighty and small. Sublime and ridiculous in this swimming pool of debate, comment and opinion, I'm going to dive in. I'm not the best of swimmers so be gentle.
Although i've been a fan since a kid, my actual real support of Villa (going to games) has almost turned full circle. The distant days of Steve Hunt, Warren Aspinall, Dean Glover etc etc were when I started to visit and now after over 25 years of season ticket ownership the club returns to those dark days.
Yesterday was bad but the 2 minutes preceeding Jermaine Defoe's second goal stood out for me.
I stood and watched with the heroes that travelled as Villa produced 2 minutes of pure comedy. The only thing missing was some sort of background theme tune. A total farce. Keaton, Chaplain, Laurel & Hardy?
This was up there with the best.
Thanks very much guys.
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It just get's worse for us defeat after defeat and the fact Sunderland are pretty rubbish I can't see us getting out of this mess.
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The goal that annoyed me the most was actually their first, with Richards standing as if his arms were tied behind his back despite being a full fifteen yards away from the player with the ball. No wonder he was off balance when the ball then came in his direction.
What is it with his ridiculous hands behind the back Tony Moon impression? How big does he think his hands are? Just stand there and defend you cock.
It cut to Garde after that goal went in and he was clearly seething. The players are utterly stupid and get punished every time, and he doesn't appear to be able to get through to them.
I noticed that too, he was going ape shit, I'm glad of this.
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It just get's worse for us defeat after defeat and the fact Sunderland are pretty rubbish I can't see us getting out of this mess.
How many games we got left, 18? I'd say we'd have to win 9 or 10 of them. Jesus!
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Yes. Way too late with this squad.
The Proud history scarf is symbolic to the Lerner era.
Surely we should include this in some sort of protest?
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Yes I will never get over that 2 mins either! And the bastards that took part in that awful episode should be shown the door and never wear the villa shirt again! BACUNA GUZAN LESCOTT RICHARDS CISSOKHO GUEYE . wankers the lot of em.Just get any players out the youth and throw em straight in for the next game! Also GUESTEDE another joke footballer along with HUTTON RICHARDSON CLARK SANCHEZ SINCLAIR AGBONLAHOR. .
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It just get's worse for us defeat after defeat and the fact Sunderland are pretty rubbish I can't see us getting out of this mess.
How many games we got left, 18? I'd say we'd have to win 9 or 10 of them. Jesus!
Yes. Not that way inclined, but a miracle of biblical proportions is needed.
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Having seen MOTD I doubt in the history of the club, that we had scored such a brilliant goal and then gone on to concede such a pathetic goal as their 3rd one was.
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The goal that annoyed me the most was actually their first, with Richards standing as if his arms were tied behind his back despite being a full fifteen yards away from the player with the ball. No wonder he was off balance when the ball then came in his direction.
What is it with his ridiculous hands behind the back Tony Moon impression? How big does he think his hands are? Just stand there and defend you cock.
That goal also pissed me off because it was a virtual carbon copy of the West Ham goal on boxing day. No cover ahead of Hutton, meaning their left back can advance for an easy pop on goal. You could say we got unlucky when Cresswell struck a beauty into the corner, and we definitely got unlucky yesterday, but equally we repeat the same mistakes over and over again. Two left backs have scored against us in two games, so it's no surprise a wily old goalscorer like Defoe helped himself to a couple.
It cut to Garde after that goal went in and he was clearly seething. The players are utterly stupid and get punished every time, and he doesn't appear to be able to get through to them.
Garde looks like a rabbit caught in the headlights. He doesn't come across as being capable of bollocking them in the dressing room to me.
Bollocking - you think they'll respond to that? You think they (will) care.
'What happened at work today?'
'The boss bollocked us but as you know we are professional footballers so whoever does it, it is like being savaged by a sheep.'
'Oh right - are you ok?'
'fine but some expro hurt my feelings on Twitter saying I made a mistake, which I didn't and even if I did it is none of his business despite being paid to point things out'
'Nevermind D arling - look at the new car we are buying to replace last month's model. I'll forgive you shagging that slapper in that trendy London nightspot if you buy this.''
As their manager it's part of his job.
It is and too many of this squad are too far gone to be worried about a mere bollocking. They have, unlike me and you no Professional Pride and secondly don't give a shit about the Villa
Players with the wrong attitude need to be genuinely bombed, not because they are the most wages, but because they lack any desire and don't give a shit.
Gabby and CNZ and the Big Tips of Big Iceberg. Richards, Ricahrdson, Clark are 3 others. I'm sure others can site examples.
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Having seen MOTD I doubt in the history of the club, that we had scored such a brilliant goal and then gone on to concede such a pathetic goal as their 3rd one was.
Sadly MOTD viewers didn't get to witness Rudy Gestede's dreaful through ball. At 1-1 he has the ball at his feet just past the halfway line and any forward pass gets Adama in on goal. ANY FORWARD PASS! Anything remotely like one and Adama, with his pace is in. It didn't happen. Next Sunderland attack Defoe scores.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9EH1G4EwljM. Pvt Frazer was a Villa fan.
It was Pike, ian lavender, actually
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I thought it was Pike who was the Villa fan - didn't Ian Lavender always play him on screen wearing a Villa scarf?
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One thing's for certain, if a young person on the verge of choosing the team to follow was to don a Villa scarf now you'd be tempted to call him a "Stupid Boy".
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ain't that the truth
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One thing's for certain, if a young person on the verge of choosing the team to follow was to don a Villa scarf now you'd be tempted to call him a "Stupid Boy".
I'd say he was bold rather than stupid. I'd also be quick to commend him for following his local side as opposed to whipping out his new Arsenal or Man City top.
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One thing's for certain, if a young person on the verge of choosing the team to follow was to don a Villa scarf now you'd be tempted to call him a "Stupid Boy".
I'd say he was bold rather than stupid. I'd also be quick to commend him for following his local side as opposed to whipping out his new Arsenal or Man City top.
My five year old son has been to his first games this season and loves it, and I have to say having that bond with him that me and my old man had all those years ago has made this season slightly more bearable.
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One thing's for certain, if a young person on the verge of choosing the team to follow was to don a Villa scarf now you'd be tempted to call him a "Stupid Boy".
I'd say he was bold rather than stupid. I'd also be quick to commend him for following his local side as opposed to whipping out his new Arsenal or Man City top.
My five year old son has been to his first games this season and loves it, and I have to say having that bond with him that me and my old man had all those years ago has made this season slightly more bearable.
Which is very apt - given your user name. ;)
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Well I got back today from the game. I've not read all posts to this point but I can guess what they said. I have never seem such a team devoid of skill and intelligence - some of the errors were those 9 year old make - throw ins to the opposition, pass to the opposition, keeper beaten at the near post, keeper passing to a marked defender in your own penalty box...............
It was galling as after the equaliser I actually thought we would win.........
Crowd turned ugly too - chants of 'Your not fit to wear the shirt, Lerner is a W****r. Only Hutton gave weak applause at the end to the excellent support the rest disappeared quickly down the tunnel.
Dark days ahead.
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Dark days are here!
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Yes. Way too late with this squad.
The Proud history scarf is symbolic to the Lerner era.
Surely we should include this in some sort of protest?
I've lost mine ages ago but I'm all for a bonfire made up of those scarves. "Proud history - bright future" Sick joke.
Well Mr Lerner how's about a statement from you explaining how this bright future is going to materialise? Oh and your shitting all over our proud history while over 200 trophies remain boxed up in the North stand basement. You never did build that trophy room you promised us.
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Yes. Way too late with this squad.
The Proud history scarf is symbolic to the Lerner era.
Surely we should include this in some sort of protest?
I've lost mine ages ago but I'm all for a bonfire made up of those scarves. "Proud history - bright future" Sick joke.
Well Mr Lerner how's about a statement from you explaining how this bright future is going to materialise? Oh and your shitting all over our proud history while over 200 trophies remain boxed up in the North stand basement. You never did build that trophy room you promised us.
Which trophies are these?
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Yes. Way too late with this squad.
The Proud history scarf is symbolic to the Lerner era.
Surely we should include this in some sort of protest?
I've lost mine ages ago but I'm all for a bonfire made up of those scarves. "Proud history - bright future" Sick joke.
Well Mr Lerner how's about a statement from you explaining how this bright future is going to materialise? Oh and your shitting all over our proud history while over 200 trophies remain boxed up in the North stand basement. You never did build that trophy room you promised us.
Which trophies are these?
The Peace Cup. The Hong King 7s....err......the Intertoto Cup.
See, that's 3!!
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Yes. Way too late with this squad.
The Proud history scarf is symbolic to the Lerner era.
Surely we should include this in some sort of protest?
I've lost mine ages ago but I'm all for a bonfire made up of those scarves. "Proud history - bright future" Sick joke.
Well Mr Lerner how's about a statement from you explaining how this bright future is going to materialise? Oh and your shitting all over our proud history while over 200 trophies remain boxed up in the North stand basement. You never did build that trophy room you promised us.
Which trophies are these?
The Peace Cup. The Hong King 7s....err......the Intertoto Cup.
See, that's 3!!
Do we get one of those special "participation" trophies that get dished out to the wheezy kids so they don't feel bad?
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With the distraction of relegation i lost sight of how bad a result losing to Sunderland is.
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We will get our revenge next season on them.
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Yes. Way too late with this squad.
The Proud history scarf is symbolic to the Lerner era.
Surely we should include this in some sort of protest?
I've lost mine ages ago but I'm all for a bonfire made up of those scarves. "Proud history - bright future" Sick joke.
Well Mr Lerner how's about a statement from you explaining how this bright future is going to materialise? Oh and your shitting all over our proud history while over 200 trophies remain boxed up in the North stand basement. You never did build that trophy room you promised us.
Which trophies are these?
Well I can't name them all now can I? When I went on a tour of the ground recently I was given this information by our tour guide. His name is Keith and is an excellent tour guide.
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Yes. Way too late with this squad.
The Proud history scarf is symbolic to the Lerner era.
Surely we should include this in some sort of protest?
I've lost mine ages ago but I'm all for a bonfire made up of those scarves. "Proud history - bright future" Sick joke.
Well Mr Lerner how's about a statement from you explaining how this bright future is going to materialise? Oh and your shitting all over our proud history while over 200 trophies remain boxed up in the North stand basement. You never did build that trophy room you promised us.
Which trophies are these?
Well I can't name them all now can I? When I went on a tour of the ground recently I was given this information by our tour guide. His name is Keith and is an excellent tour guide.
Even if there are that many, which sounds improbable, ask yourself what type of trophies they'd be.
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Yes. Way too late with this squad.
The Proud history scarf is symbolic to the Lerner era.
Surely we should include this in some sort of protest?
I've lost mine ages ago but I'm all for a bonfire made up of those scarves. "Proud history - bright future" Sick joke.
Well Mr Lerner how's about a statement from you explaining how this bright future is going to materialise? Oh and your shitting all over our proud history while over 200 trophies remain boxed up in the North stand basement. You never did build that trophy room you promised us.
Which trophies are these?
Well I can't name them all now can I? When I went on a tour of the ground recently I was given this information by our tour guide. His name is Keith and is an excellent tour guide.
Even if there are that many, which sounds improbable, ask yourself what type of trophies they'd be.
Well every trophy a club wins a replica is made. So 7 FA cups, league titles that kind of thing. Why are you focusing on this? The point is we were promised a new trophy room. Along with many other broken promises made by the owner. Let's focus on them shall we.
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Let's be realistic. Us building a trophy room now would be the absolute epitome of irony. I'd rather we didn't just yet.
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The trophy room was going to be included in the new North Stand, which is another thing Lerner gave up on.
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Let's be realistic. Us building a trophy room now would be the absolute epitome of irony. I'd rather we didn't just yet.
The discussion was about the "proud history, bright future" and how Lerner has crapped all over our proud history. He promised a trophy room which didn't happen and our trophy haul is boxed up in the North stand basement. Obviously we don't want a new trophy room just now.
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Yes. Way too late with this squad.
The Proud history scarf is symbolic to the Lerner era.
Surely we should include this in some sort of protest?
I've lost mine ages ago but I'm all for a bonfire made up of those scarves. "Proud history - bright future" Sick joke.
Well Mr Lerner how's about a statement from you explaining how this bright future is going to materialise? Oh and your shitting all over our proud history while over 200 trophies remain boxed up in the North stand basement. You never did build that trophy room you promised us.
Which trophies are these?
Well I can't name them all now can I? When I went on a tour of the ground recently I was given this information by our tour guide. His name is Keith and is an excellent tour guide.
Even if there are that many, which sounds improbable, ask yourself what type of trophies they'd be.
Ffs why would our tour guide make that up!;
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I've heard tour guides make up lots of daft stories. I'm not saying that these mysterious 200 trophies don't exist, although that's the first time I've heard about them and I've spoken to the club's (former) archivist on many occasions. However, there's probably a lot of friendly souvenirs and local competitions included and this is hardly "shitting all over our proud history".
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I'd build a huge fuck-off trophy room with the lot in, and position it between the home changing room and the tunnel.
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I'd build a huge fuck-off trophy room with the lot in, and position it between the home changing room and the tunnel.
I'd build a huge "fuck off" sign and leave it in the dressing room. That's what I think of the vast majority of our squad now sadly. I'd most certainly put one on Fox's door too.
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I'd mow fuck off on the training pitch.
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Our programme used to win lots of awards, maybe they got a trophy each time.
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I'd mow fuck off on the training pitch.
That's probably already been done because it doesn't look like any of our players have been on a training pitch. They play like they've never met before and all been spun around 100 times before being released onto the pitch.
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Well every trophy a club wins a replica is made. So 7 FA cups, league titles that kind of thing. Why are you focusing on this? The point is we were promised a new trophy room. Along with many other broken promises made by the owner. Let's focus on them shall we.
No, a replica is/not not made and I'm focusing, as you call it, because I don't agree with what you said. And just as a warning, "Am I not allowed to have my say" and derivatives thereof is now filed alongside "I know I'll get banned fror this".
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I've heard tour guides make up lots of daft stories. I'm not saying that these mysterious 200 trophies don't exist, although that's the first time I've heard about them and I've spoken to the club's (former) archivist on many occasions. However, there's probably a lot of friendly souvenirs and local competitions included and this is hardly "shitting all over our proud history".
Maybe he said 200 items then. Although I was with a mate who also thinks he said trophies. Either way I still think it's a piss poor way to treat things that have been won by the hard work of previous players throughout our illustrious history.
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I'd build a huge fuck-off trophy room with the lot in, and position it between the home changing room and the tunnel.
I'd build a fuck off huge hermetically sealed room, put the entire squad in it, and throw the fucking key away.
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I've heard tour guides make up lots of daft stories. I'm not saying that these mysterious 200 trophies don't exist, although that's the first time I've heard about them and I've spoken to the club's (former) archivist on many occasions. However, there's probably a lot of friendly souvenirs and local competitions included and this is hardly "shitting all over our proud history".
Maybe he said 200 items then. Although I was with a mate who also thinks he said trophies. Either way I still think it's a piss poor way to treat things that have been won by the hard work of previous players throughout our illustrious history.
I doubt there's a club anywhere in the world that has such a collection on public display but you add it to the lost if you want.
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I'd build a huge fuck-off trophy room with the lot in, and position it between the home changing room and the tunnel.
Bacuna would bump into it.
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I've heard tour guides make up lots of daft stories. I'm not saying that these mysterious 200 trophies don't exist, although that's the first time I've heard about them and I've spoken to the club's (former) archivist on many occasions. However, there's probably a lot of friendly souvenirs and local competitions included and this is hardly "shitting all over our proud history".
Maybe he said 200 items then. Although I was with a mate who also thinks he said trophies. Either way I still think it's a piss poor way to treat things that have been won by the hard work of previous players throughout our illustrious history.
I doubt there's a club anywhere in the world that has such a collection on public display but you add it to the lost if you want.
The figure would probably include things won at all levels from youth up to senior level and we've been winning things for about 140 years so I do think it's feasible.
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I'd build a huge fuck-off trophy room with the lot in, and position it between the home changing room and the tunnel.
I'd build a fuck off huge hermetically sealed room, put the entire squad in it, and throw the fucking key away.
Maybe one of our disgruntled former managers has already done that to Randy. That's why we see nothing of the fucker. If that is the case I'd hunt down the key, open the door, and then set up an indestructible TV screen in there and then play our matches on a repetitive loop. For the occasional treat I may screen a Shunammite documentary for Randy, but I'd re-edit the programme so it splices in footage of every failed throw-in we've attempted in the last 5 years, which is around about 90% of them. Then I'd lock the door (not before treating Randy to a Cleveland Steamer) again and then melt the key down and fill in the fucking key hole with concrete.
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I've heard tour guides make up lots of daft stories. I'm not saying that these mysterious 200 trophies don't exist, although that's the first time I've heard about them and I've spoken to the club's (former) archivist on many occasions. However, there's probably a lot of friendly souvenirs and local competitions included and this is hardly "shitting all over our proud history".
Maybe he said 200 items then. Although I was with a mate who also thinks he said trophies. Either way I still think it's a piss poor way to treat things that have been won by the hard work of previous players throughout our illustrious history.
I doubt there's a club anywhere in the world that has such a collection on public display but you add it to the list if you want.
The figure would probably include things won at all levels from youth up to senior level and we've been winning things for about 140 years so I do think it's feasible.
I really can't be bothered to continue this argument for much longer but do you honestly believe that the Birmingham County FA have made a replica of the Senior Cup every year since 1877?
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The trophy room was going to be included in the new North Stand, which is another thing Lerner gave up on.
To be fair every time expanding the ground has reared it's head on here, other than the chance of fleecing 3-5000 extra tourists for Chelsea/Man Utd/Liverpool/Arsenal over the last few years we'd barely have ever needed the extra capacity has seemed to be the general consensus. We certainly won't be needing it in the near future. From what I can recall when plans for redeveloping The North Stand were first mooted it was on the basis of "when the demand is there."
Anyway if we'd run off and spent tens of millions on building a stand we didn't need from a capacity point of view you'd probably be one of the first jumping up and down about why we spending money on needless vanity projects instead of pouring it into the transfer / wages budget.
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I've heard tour guides make up lots of daft stories. I'm not saying that these mysterious 200 trophies don't exist, although that's the first time I've heard about them and I've spoken to the club's (former) archivist on many occasions. However, there's probably a lot of friendly souvenirs and local competitions included and this is hardly "shitting all over our proud history".
Maybe he said 200 items then. Although I was with a mate who also thinks he said trophies. Either way I still think it's a piss poor way to treat things that have been won by the hard work of previous players throughout our illustrious history.
I doubt there's a club anywhere in the world that has such a collection on public display but you add it to the list if you want.
The figure would probably include things won at all levels from youth up to senior level and we've been winning things for about 140 years so I do think it's feasible.
I really can't be bothered to continue this argument for much longer but do you honestly believe that the Birmingham County FA have made a replica of the Senior Cup every year since 1877?
I'm not saying that. I think it's down to the club. There are replicas of the FA cup, The Division 1 trophy from '81 and the European Cup in a cabinet in the players tunnel.
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I'm not saying that. I think it's down to the club. There are replicas of the FA cup, The Division 1 trophy from '81 and the European Cup in a cabinet in the players tunnel.
Yes you did say that. You said "every trophy a club wins a replica is made". If only it had been true in 1895.
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I'm not saying that. I think it's down to the club. There are replicas of the FA cup, The Division 1 trophy from '81 and the European Cup in a cabinet in the players tunnel.
Yes you did say that. You said "every trophy a club wins a replica is made". If only it had been true in 1895.
Fair enough I did say that and i was wrong. I know what the guy said about the trophy haul and I've been trying to work out how it was possible. Maybe he made it up.
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The trophy room was going to be included in the new North Stand, which is another thing Lerner gave up on.
To be fair every time expanding the ground has reared it's head on here, other than the chance of fleecing 3-5000 extra tourists for Chelsea/Man Utd/Liverpool/Arsenal over the last few years we'd barely have ever needed the extra capacity has seemed to be the general consensus. We certainly won't be needing it in the near future. From what I can recall when plans for redeveloping The North Stand were first mooted it was on the basis of "when the demand is there."
Anyway if we'd run off and spent tens of millions on building a stand we didn't need from a capacity point of view you'd probably be one of the first jumping up and down about why we spending money on needless vanity projects instead of pouring it into the transfer / wages budget.
Developing the North Stand isn't just about adding capacity, though, the main reason (I'd imagine) would be to improve the facilities, which are pretty horrible in there.
If we were doing that, and rebuilding it, then it'd make more sense to build in the extra capacity than it would build it smaller (on the basis that the marginal increase in costs for adding - random numbers - 15k seats rather than 12k seats would be relatively small compared to the overall costs of rebuilding it).
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I'm not saying that. I think it's down to the club. There are replicas of the FA cup, The Division 1 trophy from '81 and the European Cup in a cabinet in the players tunnel.
Yes you did say that. You said "every trophy a club wins a replica is made". If only it had been true in 1895.
Fair enough I did say that and i was wrong. I know what the guy said about the trophy haul and I've been trying to work out how it was possible. Maybe he made it up.
If it's who I think it is, he wouldn't have made it up but he could have meant stuff we've been given on tour or in friendlies. There's a few on display in the North Stand reception and to be honest they're not particuarly interesting.
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What about Dougs crypt where he regenerates himself every night, we could have that in the museum too.
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Is Makoun's jumper in the cabinet?
And is Mo Salifou still seen roaming the ground at night at every full moon?
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BFRs sunglasses? Savos bandana?
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The trophy room was going to be included in the new North Stand, which is another thing Lerner gave up on.
To be fair every time expanding the ground has reared it's head on here, other than the chance of fleecing 3-5000 extra tourists for Chelsea/Man Utd/Liverpool/Arsenal over the last few years we'd barely have ever needed the extra capacity has seemed to be the general consensus. We certainly won't be needing it in the near future. From what I can recall when plans for redeveloping The North Stand were first mooted it was on the basis of "when the demand is there."
Anyway if we'd run off and spent tens of millions on building a stand we didn't need from a capacity point of view you'd probably be one of the first jumping up and down about why we spending money on needless vanity projects instead of pouring it into the transfer / wages budget.
Developing the North Stand isn't just about adding capacity, though, the main reason (I'd imagine) would be to improve the facilities, which are pretty horrible in there.
If we were doing that, and rebuilding it, then it'd make more sense to build in the extra capacity than it would build it smaller (on the basis that the marginal increase in costs for adding - random numbers - 15k seats rather than 12k seats would be relatively small compared to the overall costs of rebuilding it).
I won't deny the North Stand is tatty, with poor facilities and awful legroom if you're over 6'. 2 of my last 3 trips back have been to the North Stand. I'm 6'3" and there is no comfortable position for me unless I've got an aisle seat, but that's why I said we didn't need it from a capacity point of view.
I agree with everything else you say. If you do anything with it, build it as large as you can justify economically from a £/seat point of view, but from my recollection any mention of a redevelopment was contingent on the demand being there to start with.
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BFRs sunglasses? Savos bandana?
The extra 10% Ron Saunders kept in his pocket for special situations. Gordon Cowans original nose. A pair of Nzogbias trousers. A life size replica of Stephen Irelands wage packet. Empty bottle of 20/20 found in Jack Grealish's dressing room locker.
This museum idea could be a goer.
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I really can't be bothered to continue this argument for much longer but do you honestly believe that the Birmingham County FA have made a replica of the Senior Cup every year since 1877?
Pity, it's a lovely trophy (for which we don't enter any more but don't get me fucking started!).
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What about Dougs crypt where he regenerates himself every night, we could have that in the museum too.
our back 4 could use a few nights in doug's crypt
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Well I got back today from the game. I've not read all posts to this point but I can guess what they said. I have never seem such a team devoid of skill and intelligence - some of the errors were those 9 year old make - throw ins to the opposition, pass to the opposition, keeper beaten at the near post, keeper passing to a marked defender in your own penalty box...............
It was galling as after the equaliser I actually thought we would win.........
Crowd turned ugly too - chants of 'Your not fit to wear the shirt, Lerner is a W****r. Only Hutton gave weak applause at the end to the excellent support the rest disappeared quickly down the tunnel.
Dark days ahead.
I got back today, via my lad's in Cov (I know, I know) for a few beers and so he could cheer me up with words of wisdom and buying a round.
Agree with all of your above Preston...I continue to be astounded by the decision making and inept performances of some of our players, namely Guzan, Bacuna, Gestede, Richards, Hutton.
The lead up to their third goal was farcical yet typical of the team this season.
These are dark days, but where do we (club, manager, this set of players, fans) go from here? Can the days ahead get any darker?
In his pre-Sunderland interview Garde mentioned about coming into the club expecting it to be tough but also that he "discover things you did not expect".
I wonder if this is/was some kind of player malaise/mood/atmosphere...or even basic lack of ability/attitude - whatever - that he finds himself having to battle against. His largely contained frustration suggests to me that the players simply aren't good/willing enough. That the same players - Guzan, Hutton, Richards - continue to make the same mistakes every game must be doing his head in!
It is mine!