Sunderland v Rock Bottom Aston Villa Post-Match Thread

[pauliewalnuts]

The second and third goals are the reason why we are down there, both utterly woeful. We've been beaten by a team who on the day were worse than us and that sums or season up.

We were at least the match for Norwich  but ended up with egg on our faces.

I thought Norwich were very comfortable against us, we barely mustered a shot.

We were the better team by a mile.

Right up to the point at which they scored, totally against the run of play, which is when our shoulders dropped, we looked beaten and there was only going to be one winner.

And that is the story of this season.

Agree. We score a wonder goal like we did after afterwards and we still don't have the confidence to go on and get something.

And that is precisely why we are going down.

[aj2k77]

The second and third goals are the reason why we are down there, both utterly woeful. We've been beaten by a team who on the day were worse than us and that sums or season up.

We were at least the match for Norwich  but ended up with egg on our faces.

I thought Norwich were very comfortable against us, we barely mustered a shot.

We were the better team by a mile.

Right up to the point at which they scored, totally against the run of play, which is when our shoulders dropped, we looked beaten and there was only going to be one winner.

And that is the story of this season.

Which unfortunately was after about 25 minutes wasn't it? Leaving the other 70 to be a routine home win. I recall one shot, late on, in about the 90th minute.

I think this is the point and why some think Garde is doing something right, we start off looking OK organised until we concede, then we turn to garbage.
As Mike Tyson said, "every one has a strategy until you punch them in the face" .

Everyone, except Randy Lerner.

[Karlos96]

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Mackems not impressed with our pathetic losers at all. Players are a disgrace to the name of our club.

Don't like us much either.

I thought that too, quite sad reading that, over the years most people I have encountered always seemed to have a good word about the Villa, I think the last five years has changed that, people must be sick to death of us and just want us gone I know I'd feel the same if I wasn't a Villa fan.

[Risso]

I was in favour of appointing Garde, but I honestly think the players are such a bunch of wankers I'd now inflict Pearson on them.

I think it will take some kind of sociopath to overpower the dead hand of Lerner and to get these fuckers to even try.

I know what you mean.

Garde came in to a team which had just produced W1 D1 L8.

And not only that, the one W was the first day of the season, and we had 6 or 7 losses on the trot.

You've got to be a fucking magician to turn that around.

I read people saying Garde has improved nothing and absolutely disagree with them. We look organised and as if we are trying to play in a certain way under Garde. Under Sherwood, I could barely work out what we were even trying to do at any time.

That's something that has changed.

Is it anything like enough to change our fortunes? Absolutely not.

Why is Garde playing Gestede at all? Well, what are our other options up front - fat Gabby, Kozak who has barely played in ages, Sinclair who manages to be our top scorer despite not being an out and out striker, or who else?

How is he supposed to fashion a working defence out of this collection of wankers? Really, what is the permutation of defenders from our available squad that looks even remotely competent?

There isn't one.

Sherwood was a fucking disaster. Lambert was a disaster, too, but the problems are not all about the manager, for years the club has been run slackly by a detached man-child who got bored of his latest, most expensive toy, and we have had systematic problems which have gone addressed for years.

Unfortunately, I read things like Tom Fox saying "we're building something special" (which he really did say this week), and I just sit here oprn-mouthed, jaw on the floor, thinking "what the absolute FUCK are these people talking about? What fucking planet are they on?"

So, it isn't going to be getting better any time soon, I'm afraid, certainly not this season.

Moan all we like about how we should have appointed Moyes (despite him having turned us down twice, and having been in a job when we needed a new manager) or how we needed Nigel Fucking Pearson (the third Sleaford Mod) or Big Fucking Sam, but none of those would have really changed anything, it would have been a plaster on a massive, gaping blood-spunking whole in our chest, we might have stayed up yes, but we'd just have another season of fighting relegation next year.

If there is one small positive in this whole situation it is that we don't need to spend the rest of the season shitting our pants every match day and calculating how long it will be before some slightly less spangly, less media-attracting club than us makes it mathematically certain that they go down rather than us. We know already that the game is up.

What we need is a new owner, and an absolute fucking enema to flush this entire club clean.

No more absentee, can't be arsed, can't make up his mind if he wants to sell or not, borderline illiterate buffoon of a chairman, no more Charles N'Zogbia style players picking up 70k a week for doing nothing more than looking like a twat when players tweet photos of his latest fashion crimes, no more Gabby Agbonlahor effortlessly drifting from one 50k a week four year deal to the next while contributing three or four goals a season, no more of this shit, we need to be absolutely fucking purged from the top down, and it is looking like that has to start with getting relegated.

If there's one thing any Villa fan should have realised watching that shit today, it is that the time for hastily applied plasters / bandages has been and gone a long time ago, this club needs change from the very top down.

I agree with a lot of that, but have to disagree with the bits about Garde.  I honestly can't see any evidence of organisation in the games I have seen and we still seem to be unable to find a way to deliver a decent set piece.  I want him to do well, but Garde looks as lost as his predecessors did and is sinking fast.

Same here Tom.  I know Garde has been dealt a shit hand, but I can't see any improvement at all from Sherwood's start to the season.  Blindly flailing around to find a formation that works, then changing it completely the next week.  Norwich and Sunderland won't have two more easy games all season.  And there's no point whatsoever in playing Gestede with no proper wide men.  I know Gabby is fat lazy and washed up, but he'd be more use than Gestede at the moment, who when he's passed the ball looks like one of those lost Amazonian tribesmen on being handed a mobile phone.

[pauliewalnuts]

I know Gabby is fat lazy and washed up, but he'd be more use than Gestede at the moment, who when he's passed the ball looks like one of those lost Amazonian tribesmen on being handed a mobile phone.

Ha ha.

He's fucking rubbish.

And Gabby is really no better, the fat waster.

[tomd2103]

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Mackems not impressed with our pathetic losers at all. Players are a disgrace to the name of our club.

Don't like us much either.

I thought that too, quite sad reading that, over the years most people I have encountered always seemed to have a good word about the Villa, I think the last five years has changed that, people must be sick to death of us and just want us gone I know I'd feel the same if I wasn't a Villa fan.

You're joking aren't you?  The likes of Arsenal and Manchester United will be gutted as it will be a guaranteed six points a season gone.

[oswald funkletrumpet]

garde has made no impact whatsover

he knows the defence is shit so are the coaches drilling them 3 hours a day?

he knows we cant score so keeps playing justhead

nothing against the bloke but fuck me no wins in 9 would get most managers the push

[andyh]

http://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/villa-players-at-ft.1181232/

Mackems not impressed with our pathetic losers at all. Players are a disgrace to the name of our club.

Don't like us much either.

I thought that too, quite sad reading that, over the years most people I have encountered always seemed to have a good word about the Villa, I think the last five years has changed that, people must be sick to death of us and just want us gone I know I'd feel the same if I wasn't a Villa fan.

You're joking aren't you?  The likes of Arsenal and Manchester United will be gutted as it will be a guaranteed six points a season gone.

And Stoke and Southampton and...............

[aj2k77]

garde has made no impact whatsover

he knows the defence is shit so are the coaches drilling them 3 hours a day?

he knows we cant score so keeps playing justhead

nothing against the bloke but fuck me no wins in 9 would get most managers the push

0 wins in 9 is nothing to us, it's a standard run. Lambert got 3 and a half years before they flushed him, as long as you cosy up and be a bosses boy and keep schtum Villa is an easy ride, virtually nothing is expected from you apart from being a good yes man.

[clash city rocker]

Well I've had a fkin wolves fan text me to say they have a guaranteed  6 points next season..a fkin wolves fan.!!!

[oswald funkletrumpet]

garde has made no impact whatsover

he knows the defence is shit so are the coaches drilling them 3 hours a day?

he knows we cant score so keeps playing justhead

nothing against the bloke but fuck me no wins in 9 would get most managers the push

0 wins in 9 is nothing to us, it's a standard run. Lambert got 3 and a half years before they flushed him, as long as you cosy up and be a bosses boy and keep schtum Villa is an easy ride, virtually nothing is expected from you apart from being a good yes man.

true, we have been saints over 5 seasons.

[sickbeggar]

garde has made no impact whatsover

he knows the defence is shit so are the coaches drilling them 3 hours a day?

he knows we cant score so keeps playing justhead

nothing against the bloke but fuck me no wins in 9 would get most managers the push

0 wins in 9 is nothing to us, it's a standard run. Lambert got 3 and a half years before they flushed him, as long as you cosy up and be a bosses boy and keep schtum Villa is an easy ride, virtually nothing is expected from you apart from being a good yes man.

Thats why i think Garde is finished apart from the results of course. Will be looked on as too much a Lerner man for next season. SGT when he came in gave the impression he was battling Ellis and the way the club was run, as much as he was tackling the playing side. Certainly remember him issuing a few threats Doug's way through the media. We need someone of that ilk come May. Someone who's doing Lerner a favour managing us and big enough to walk away if the fuckwits above keep interfering

[exiled on the wirral!]

Just got back from the game, in my opinion the difference between the 2 sides was Jermaine Defoe..that little bit of premiership knowhow is what we sadly lack. Also with Allardyce in charge they have a manager with, again that Premiership knowhow which will give them a fighting chance of staying up. That Bacuna throw in must rank alongside the Steve Hodge back pass all those years ago. Overall we are a team with absolutey no fight in us whatsoever which I find the most disgraceful aspect of our current plight.

And to cap off a F**king shit day, I returned to my car with a lovely parking ticket left on the windscreen...I actually laughed for the first time in ages after a Villa game!!

[Damo70]

1987 all over again. A five year slide to the inevitable. A change of manager that fails to change things. And any hope of turning it around gone by the turn of the year. And an owner acting like a rabbit caught in the headlights. Except instead of being down by Easter it will be done and dusted by Valentines day.

[exiled on the wirral!]

1987 all over again. A five year slide to the inevitable. A change of manager that fails to change things. And any hope of turning it around gone by the turn of the year. And an owner acting like a rabbit caught in the headlights. Except instead of being down by Easter it will be done and dusted by Valentines day.

At least we won a few games in 86/87.