Sunderland v Rock Bottom Aston Villa Post-Match Thread

[JUAN PABLO]

Adama was a shining light. What gets me is how lazy most of the team are. We just never seem to close anyone down. Guzan is also a complete liability.

true


so no idea why Garde does not give him more game time and that sciver Sinclair gets a lot more

in fact Jack was absolute useless

[JUAN PABLO]

Edvard. You are vehemently behind Remi Garde, and say that you agree with, and can see what he is trying to do.

Can you elaborate what that is please, because it isnt evident anything has changed?

We are still making poor errors all over the pitch. Leaking goals. Not scoring with regularity. Not holding onto the ball with any sort of authority. Not showing battling qualities.

I'm not criticising Garde as such, but I can't make a case for him being any better for us currently than Sherwood, apart from he talks a better game, seems a nice bloke and hasn't slagged the club off in the press.

Football wise, no difference.

I have no feeling towards Garde good or bad to be honest. He's the fall guy.

Okey - this is difficult - but when we start games ,I see we are more balanced....then after 30 minutes we are fucked all over. Then we start second half  and later fucked all over. This for me signals poor material rather than bad managemet?

I think Remi understands football at a higher level. I might be wrong - but can't prove this (nor want to) - I just think that he has understanding of football as it is today.

Not trying to claim facts - just my feeling and opinion. (and everytime we fail, it is becaues stupid fucking idiots doing stupid stuff)

you liked his team against Norwich?

[JUAN PABLO]

I am not sure Garde is totally blameless now. We repeatedly make the same mistakes, which was the case under Sherwood as well. That said, what can any manager say when players know that their potential replacements are just as bad or worse? And look at the 3rd goal, three players around the ball, all vastly experienced, two of them have won the league. To let them out so easily is pathetic.

Oh and why does Richards just walk back into the team? Okore and Lescott had looked good together, and we looked more confident defensively. Okore is twice the centre half Richards is, the first time might have had an element of misfortune but look where he is for the second goal. Ok, Lescott allows him to shoot and is culpable too but that can happen if you get isolated against a player like Defoe in your own box.

We aren't just being relegated, we are being roundly humiliated. It's so depressing. I am also sick of the lack of acknowledgement for the supporters from the board, manager and players. To spend so much money watching this shit without even roundly turning on the players and then only be mentioned in the 'supporters need to stick with us' sense is patronising in the extreme.

talks a good post

[JUAN PABLO]

Obviously questions are being asked about Garde, and so they should be.
Yes, he inherited a basket case, yes the damage was probably already done and maybe we were/are beyond redemption.
But, there he been so little improvement since he came, we still have no idea whether he is the right man for the job.

Do we risk the fact he might not be upto the task of building a team capable of getting us back up?

agree Andy

I know he has shit players but he keeps playing some of the same old shit and makes some bad decisions

I mean If richards has a contract to only play CB , well thats one reason the club is going down . Grow some balls Garde , put him at RB , If he dont want , dont play the c**** and drop that Gestede please !!!

As Captain of the club he should be willing to play anywhere and to set an example to his team.....

exactly

[auntiesledd]

The same way Chelsea have been hiding, albeit they have the third most expensive squad in the league and when you put it into perspective Chelsea fans feel exactly the same way as a Villa fans - fed up.

Have Chelski supporters had over 5 years of watching their team dodge relegation; sell off their talent; watch dire displays every goddam week; have an invisible, clueless owner who wants out; and are effectively relegated with half a season to go? If that's the case - then it sure as hell ain't the perspective I'm gripping.

Think of the context. Chelsea went from being the best team in the country with players like Diego Costa, Fabregas, Matic and Azpilacueta who were outstanding for nearly all of last season, now currently they're one of the worst teams in the country and I think a few of their star players from last season rival a few Villa players for being worst players of the season. Also, they no longer have their most successful manager, replaced him with an interim who's managerial career has recently been shit and they have the fun times  ahead of them when Paris Saint Germain have the chance to score a double digit amount of goals against them in the last 16 of champions league.

Can you think of a team that has crashed and burnt so quickly like Chelsea has in the last 6/7 months? Villa have been flirting with relegation with the last 4 seasons this time the team will be relegated.

Any disappointment the poor Chelsea fans (bless) are suffering at the moment will be a mere blip in their recent history. What we have had to endure (as you mention) is a decline & inevitable relegation which shows absolutely no sign of improving any time soon. How can you compare the present lot of the respective club's supporters when presented with the actual reality? Disappointment & being fed up is one thing: but baring witness to the complete collapse of your club and any aspirations to be even remotely successful (ie win a game of bleedin' football for a change) is in a different league IMO. Still, to each their own.

[JUAN PABLO]

I was in favour of appointing Garde, but I honestly think the players are such a bunch of wankers I'd now inflict Pearson on them.

I think it will take some kind of sociopath to overpower the dead hand of Lerner and to get these fuckers to even try.

Id enjoy him running on the pitch putting his hands around the throats

30,000 a week for you ....  really ...you useless piece of shi..... you get the jist

[pauliewalnuts]

I was in favour of appointing Garde, but I honestly think the players are such a bunch of wankers I'd now inflict Pearson on them.

I think it will take some kind of sociopath to overpower the dead hand of Lerner and to get these fuckers to even try.

I know what you mean.

Garde came in to a team which had just produced W1 D1 L8.

And not only that, the one W was the first day of the season, and we had 6 or 7 losses on the trot.

You've got to be a fucking magician to turn that around.

I read people saying Garde has improved nothing and absolutely disagree with them. We look organised and as if we are trying to play in a certain way under Garde. Under Sherwood, I could barely work out what we were even trying to do at any time.

That's something that has changed.

Is it anything like enough to change our fortunes? Absolutely not.

Why is Garde playing Gestede at all? Well, what are our other options up front - fat Gabby, Kozak who has barely played in ages, Sinclair who manages to be our top scorer despite not being an out and out striker, or who else?

How is he supposed to fashion a working defence out of this collection of wankers? Really, what is the permutation of defenders from our available squad that looks even remotely competent?

There isn't one.

Sherwood was a fucking disaster. Lambert was a disaster, too, but the problems are not all about the manager, for years the club has been run slackly by a detached man-child who got bored of his latest, most expensive toy, and we have had systematic problems which have gone addressed for years.

Unfortunately, I read things like Tom Fox saying "we're building something special" (which he really did say this week), and I just sit here oprn-mouthed, jaw on the floor, thinking "what the absolute FUCK are these people talking about? What fucking planet are they on?"

So, it isn't going to be getting better any time soon, I'm afraid, certainly not this season.

Moan all we like about how we should have appointed Moyes (despite him having turned us down twice, and having been in a job when we needed a new manager) or how we needed Nigel Fucking Pearson (the third Sleaford Mod) or Big Fucking Sam, but none of those would have really changed anything, it would have been a plaster on a massive, gaping blood-spunking whole in our chest, we might have stayed up yes, but we'd just have another season of fighting relegation next year.

If there is one small positive in this whole situation it is that we don't need to spend the rest of the season shitting our pants every match day and calculating how long it will be before some slightly less spangly, less media-attracting club than us makes it mathematically certain that they go down rather than us. We know already that the game is up.

What we need is a new owner, and an absolute fucking enema to flush this entire club clean.

No more absentee, can't be arsed, can't make up his mind if he wants to sell or not, borderline illiterate buffoon of a chairman, no more Charles N'Zogbia style players picking up 70k a week for doing nothing more than looking like a twat when players tweet photos of his latest fashion crimes, no more Gabby Agbonlahor effortlessly drifting from one 50k a week four year deal to the next while contributing three or four goals a season, no more of this shit, we need to be absolutely fucking purged from the top down, and it is looking like that has to start with getting relegated.

If there's one thing any Villa fan should have realised watching that shit today, it is that the time for hastily applied plasters / bandages has been and gone a long time ago, this club needs change from the very top down.

[JUAN PABLO]

I  better go and get some food

Im on my own here 

[auntiesledd]

I was in favour of appointing Garde, but I honestly think the players are such a bunch of wankers I'd now inflict Pearson on them.

I think it will take some kind of sociopath to overpower the dead hand of Lerner and to get these fuckers to even try.

I know what you mean.

Garde came in to a team which had just produced W1 D1 L8.

And not only that, the one W was the first day of the season, and we had 6 or 7 losses on the trot.

You've got to be a fucking magician to turn that around.

I read people saying Garde has improved nothing and absolutely disagree with them. We look organised and as if we are trying to play in a certain way under Garde. Under Sherwood, I could barely work out what we were even trying to do at any time.

That's something that has changed.

Is it anything like enough to change our fortunes? Absolutely not.

Why is Garde playing Gestede at all? Well, what are our other options up front - fat Gabby, Kozak who has barely played in ages, Sinclair who manages to be our top scorer despite not being an out and out striker, or who else?

How is he supposed to fashion a working defence out of this collection of wankers? Really, what is the permutation of defenders from our available squad that looks even remotely competent?

There isn't one.

Sherwood was a fucking disaster. Lambert was a disaster, too, but the problems are not all about the manager, for years the club has been run slackly by a detached man-child who got bored of his latest, most expensive toy, and we have had systematic problems which have gone addressed for years.

Unfortunately, I read things like Tom Fox saying "we're building something special" (which he really did say this week), and I just sit here oprn-mouthed, jaw on the floor, thinking "what the absolute FUCK are these people talking about? What fucking planet are they on?"

So, it isn't going to be getting better any time soon, I'm afraid, certainly not this season.

Moan all we like about how we should have appointed Moyes (despite him having turned us down twice, and having been in a job when we needed a new manager) or how we needed Nigel Fucking Pearson (the third Sleaford Mod) or Big Fucking Sam, but none of those would have really changed anything, it would have been a plaster on a massive, gaping blood-spunking whole in our chest, we might have stayed up yes, but we'd just have another season of fighting relegation next year.

If there is one small positive in this whole situation it is that we don't need to spend the rest of the season shitting our pants every match day and calculating how long it will be before some slightly less spangly, less media-attracting club than us makes it mathematically certain that they go down rather than us. We know already that the game is up.

What we need is a new owner, and an absolute fucking enema to flush this entire club clean.

No more absentee, can't be arsed, can't make up his mind if he wants to sell or not, borderline illiterate buffoon of a chairman, no more Charles N'Zogbia style players picking up 70k a week for doing nothing more than looking like a twat when players tweet photos of his latest fashion crimes, no more Gabby Agbonlahor effortlessly drifting from one 50k a week four year deal to the next while contributing three or four goals a season, no more of this shit, we need to be absolutely fucking purged from the top down, and it is looking like that has to start with getting relegated.

If there's one thing any Villa fan should have realised watching that shit today, it is that the time for hastily applied plasters / bandages has been and gone a long time ago, this club needs change from the very top down.

Superb contribution there Mr P, but to cast nasturtiums about the mighty 'Mods?! How VERY dare you.   

[Malandro]

Man child is spot on. It's a shame he's hiding now because I could do with a laugh at one of Nero's announcements.

[Tony Erdington]

So Garde start to manager of Aston Villa aint what a lot of you gobbed off about. Well our club is in turmoil and he is part of it, of course the biggest part of the problem is cunty lerner clueless fuck. we are now going to endure I don't know how many seasons in the lower leagues.

[TheTimVilla]

I was in favour of appointing Garde, but I honestly think the players are such a bunch of wankers I'd now inflict Pearson on them.

I think it will take some kind of sociopath to overpower the dead hand of Lerner and to get these fuckers to even try.

How is he supposed to fashion a working defence out of this collection of wankers? Really, what is the permutation of defenders from our available squad that looks even remotely competent?

I'd go with Richards -- Okore -- Clark -- Lescott

[saint13]

I have finally come around to accepting the fact that I am now in agreement that this is the worst Villa side in the history of my Villa supporting career.  I'm sixty-seven and have seen some right doozies.

I first staring going during the 74/75 promotion season. I have been having a similar debate in my mind for virtually the whole season as to whether this shower of shite is worse than the 86/87 side who were truly terrible. Up until Christmas I could not decide. However, in an abnormal year when the overall quality of the league is lower than normal & everyone can beat everyone and we cannot beat anybody, the the debate is over. We are beyond awful and definitely the worst I have ever seen.

[steffo]

I have a friend who is a scout for a PL team and answers direct to the PL manager of the PL club. (for obvious reasons I cannot name the club nor manager). He is sent to every game, every level. There he will speak, as you do, to other scouts. One thing he said to me that he hasn't met a Villa scout for years!

[tomd2103]

Should of gone with Roberto Martinez like I said four years ago.

even Mark Hughes

we would still be in Prem at least
I remember him leaving Fulham and thought hes nailed on for Villa now . I wasnt sure about it but Mcgrath Id love him now.

Wasn't it the way he behaved that put Randy off apparently?

Yep.  Showed some ambition by leaving Fulham and looking for a move to a bigger club.  Lerner probably thought "an ambitious manager?  Can't be having that" and appointed McLeish instead.