Sunderland v Rock Bottom Aston Villa Post-Match Thread

[dicedlam]

I was in favour of appointing Garde, but I honestly think the players are such a bunch of wankers I'd now inflict Pearson on them.

I think it will take some kind of sociopath to overpower the dead hand of Lerner and to get these fuckers to even try.

I was thinking the same.
Pearson wouldn't stand for any of that shit. Some big intimidating bastard like him is exactly what we need down there.

[Tony Erdington]

I have finally come around to accepting the fact that I am now in agreement that this is the worst Villa side in the history of my Villa supporting career.  I'm sixty-seven and have seen some right doozies.

I first staring going during the 74/75 promotion season. I have been having a similar debate in my mind for virtually the whole season as to whether this shower of shite is worse than the 86/87 side who were truly terrible. Up until Christmas I could not decide. However, in an abnormal year when the overall quality of the league is lower than normal & everyone can beat everyone and we cannot beat anybody, the the debate is over. We are beyond awful and definitely the worst I have ever seen.

Every word Yes.

I to started going down the Villa on my own 74, how great that ride was, but this season is very difficult I'm getting worse, my heart aches, my head wants to explode and I wish id never heard the name lerner.

[Chris Jameson]

Roberto Martinez didn't want to come here so not sure how that would have worked.

[auntiesledd]

I've just heard RG on Stan's phone-in saying we're not down yet. Fair enough you might think, he's always going to say that until it's mathematically certain. But then he went on to say that the players don't deserve what they've been getting. Well I'm sorry Remi, but frankly those arseholes deserve exactly what they've been getting from games: namely a big fat ZERO. They are the worst Villa side I have witnessed in my 51 years on this Earth & they ain't fit to wear the claret & blue.

Fuck the lot of 'em. And then some.

[olaftab]

Pakistani joker

Asif

Why not?

[clash city rocker]

Don't know if we have a scouting policy but if we do it doesn't seem top notch.  Read a book called the nowhere men about football scouts..good read and perhaps Mr.  Fox should have a read of it.

[Brian Taylor]

A kid from small heath asked the child.cruelty court who took him away from his parents who he wanted to adopt him. He rejected his grandparents and uncles aunts and neighbours cos he said they all beat him. OK says the judge who so you want?. Aston Villa he says..why says the Judge..'they can't beat anybody' says the kid.

[aj2k77]

http://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/villa-players-at-ft.1181232/

Mackems not impressed with our pathetic losers at all. Players are a disgrace to the name of our club.

[olaftab]

What was Garde's problem with shaking hand with BFS?

[supertom]

Crap owner.
Crap manager.
Crap players.
Crap.

[coyahuga]

Just on the way back

i accept we are going down you end up where you deserve after a full season. what i cannot accept after 40 years supporting AVFC is Tom Fox telling me as a supporter we are at the start of something special. Please Mr Fox i am no mug please do not treat me as one with your utter garbage . you and Mr Lerner have ruined my club and made us a national emabarrassment not only this year but the previous 4 years.
If you Mr Fox disagree with my comment i rest my case with one fact

0/19 wins, go figure

[VinnieChase84]

On the 5th Stella this evening and contemplating our terrible demise........

I'm 31 and been a Villa nut since around 1990, [earliest I can remember]. This is by FAR the worst side I've seen in my lifetime. I am trying to think of logical ways and reasons and to why we are so bad, or hope we can make a dramatic turn around, however I am just left with the pang that;

"We're simply not good enough"

Years of terrible board room 'leadership', buying lower league, not up to PL standard players is firmly biting us in the ass. I don't think Garde thought it would be as bad as it currently is, a part of me feels sorry for him (albeit he's not blameless over the last 10)

I know Garde wants to bring in another 3 at least to help the team. I don't think it will or would make a slight difference. We are rotten to the core. Even if we bring in 3 better players, won't be long till the mentality within the squad and the rot takes hold of them too.

We are now firmly in a situation where we need to clear the decks and start again. Too many people in the club who shouldn't be making board decisions and too many players with a fragile mentality and losers attitude.

i don't think anyone or any signings can save us now. Lerner, Tom Fox and the internal setup need to be held accountable for the mess we are in. The AGM in a couple weeks should be spicy....

[Toronto Villa]

What was Garde's problem with shaking hand with BFS?

The fat fuck Allardyce refused to shake hands with him before the game so Garde refused after. His comment being it's easy to shake hands after when you've won yet somehow Allardyce couldn't do it before.

[tomd2103]

I was in favour of appointing Garde, but I honestly think the players are such a bunch of wankers I'd now inflict Pearson on them.

I think it will take some kind of sociopath to overpower the dead hand of Lerner and to get these fuckers to even try.

I know what you mean.

Garde came in to a team which had just produced W1 D1 L8.

And not only that, the one W was the first day of the season, and we had 6 or 7 losses on the trot.

You've got to be a fucking magician to turn that around.

I read people saying Garde has improved nothing and absolutely disagree with them. We look organised and as if we are trying to play in a certain way under Garde. Under Sherwood, I could barely work out what we were even trying to do at any time.

That's something that has changed.

Is it anything like enough to change our fortunes? Absolutely not.

Why is Garde playing Gestede at all? Well, what are our other options up front - fat Gabby, Kozak who has barely played in ages, Sinclair who manages to be our top scorer despite not being an out and out striker, or who else?

How is he supposed to fashion a working defence out of this collection of wankers? Really, what is the permutation of defenders from our available squad that looks even remotely competent?

There isn't one.

Sherwood was a fucking disaster. Lambert was a disaster, too, but the problems are not all about the manager, for years the club has been run slackly by a detached man-child who got bored of his latest, most expensive toy, and we have had systematic problems which have gone addressed for years.

Unfortunately, I read things like Tom Fox saying "we're building something special" (which he really did say this week), and I just sit here oprn-mouthed, jaw on the floor, thinking "what the absolute FUCK are these people talking about? What fucking planet are they on?"

So, it isn't going to be getting better any time soon, I'm afraid, certainly not this season.

Moan all we like about how we should have appointed Moyes (despite him having turned us down twice, and having been in a job when we needed a new manager) or how we needed Nigel Fucking Pearson (the third Sleaford Mod) or Big Fucking Sam, but none of those would have really changed anything, it would have been a plaster on a massive, gaping blood-spunking whole in our chest, we might have stayed up yes, but we'd just have another season of fighting relegation next year.

If there is one small positive in this whole situation it is that we don't need to spend the rest of the season shitting our pants every match day and calculating how long it will be before some slightly less spangly, less media-attracting club than us makes it mathematically certain that they go down rather than us. We know already that the game is up.

What we need is a new owner, and an absolute fucking enema to flush this entire club clean.

No more absentee, can't be arsed, can't make up his mind if he wants to sell or not, borderline illiterate buffoon of a chairman, no more Charles N'Zogbia style players picking up 70k a week for doing nothing more than looking like a twat when players tweet photos of his latest fashion crimes, no more Gabby Agbonlahor effortlessly drifting from one 50k a week four year deal to the next while contributing three or four goals a season, no more of this shit, we need to be absolutely fucking purged from the top down, and it is looking like that has to start with getting relegated.

If there's one thing any Villa fan should have realised watching that shit today, it is that the time for hastily applied plasters / bandages has been and gone a long time ago, this club needs change from the very top down.

I agree with a lot of that, but have to disagree with the bits about Garde.  I honestly can't see any evidence of organisation in the games I have seen and we still seem to be unable to find a way to deliver a decent set piece.  I want him to do well, but Garde looks as lost as his predecessors did and is sinking fast.

[coyahuga]

Where is the AGM