Sunderland v Rock Bottom Aston Villa Post-Match Thread

[JUAN PABLO]

was summed up to me

Gestede

needed a simple through ball to Adama

possibility of going through on goalie to make it 2-1

and he couldnt even do that - he dodnt even bust a gut to go and chase it back . a la Vardy

and then Sunderland go up the other end and score with guzan absolute useless .

[Irish villain]

'The last ten minutes today were embarrassing'

That what was what Ken McNaught said as well.

I'm 29. I am quite sure our stock has never been lower in my lifetime than it is right now.

[Flamingo Lane]

Garde, a cheese eating surrender monkey.

My wife and children say "Bollocks you lobster-faced rosbif!"

Round of applause.

[Edvard Remberg]

So it is Garde's fault? and Sherwood's, and then Lambert's, and then Mcleish's.... there is something more rotten to it - but I feel more comfortable with the start tactics from Garde than I do from the others.

[Bad English]

this French joke we have? Ha!

What does his nationality have to do with it?

[ursineultra]

After lurking threads here for years I think I need to write something about how fed up I am just as closure so I can hopefully forget the lot of them and move on.

I'm 31, have been following Villa since I was in my early teens, even enduring season tickets under Lambert, and in all those years - when there have been plenty of bad Villa teams, and bad Villa players - I can't remember anything even approaching the level of awful that this current crop have become.  I cling to Veretout as a good player, desperate to still have a 'favourite', but if I'm honest he's our best player and he's still terrible. Front to back the squad is awful and their league place is well deserved- in previous seasons I've been able to trick myself into thinking we were unlucky, or things just weren't quite clicking, this year I just watch with amazement at how utterly dire we are.  Today Sunderland were so so so bad, and seemed to be actively trying to sabotage themselves (I thought the same v West Ham), giving the ball away time after time and inviting Villa on, perhaps comfortable in the fact they could give Villa 1,000 chances before they actually put together a coherent move.  Yes, the Gil goal was nice, but how many times did Traore try that same run and fuck it up? At least I understand why he doesn't start now, 99% of the time he looked a liability.

I was cautiously optimistic about Houilier, tolerated Mcleish, was hopeful and then gradually worn down by Lambert, disgusted with Sherwood and now just feel sorry for Garde. 

I remember the last time I felt this fed up was DOL's last season, when the state we were in felt so completely un-Villa. We were a top 8 club at worst, still really top 6 in my mind, and the shaky last years of Ellis were just a blip, something that the MON years confirmed by restoring us to some sort of status.  Over the last five years I haven't really noticed as my expectations were lowered again and again to the point that it feels only right that now we're going down. How can it have come to this? How has no one within the club managed to halt this decline? How have we fucked up both a policy of spending big on proven players and then also a policy of buying youth?  And how has it got to the point that I am actually nostalgic about having Luke Young at left back? Luke Young?

And why when the hierarchy changes their mind about the buying/playing philosophies do we just disappear well paid players?  Can you think of any other club that does that? What can Kozak be doing that is so atrocious that only now, past the point of no return, does he even get on the bench? What was the Ilori signing about? Or Crespo? Zogs has never exactly impressed me, but when the alternative is playing Bacuna in midfield (or like last week bloody Richardson) surely he's worth a look, regardless of how much he's earning?

This is a rambling, incoherent collection of thoughts, because its five years of growing frustration that not only is the club I love slowly dying, but that so many of the problems seem so obvious to those outside the club that they don't make any sense. And I need to write it down, as I said, so I can draw a line under it, and get on with not caring about the rest of the season. 

I'm done, I'm not attending or otherwise following another game. Luckily as of the end of February I am out of the country travelling until christmas, so even if I'm tempted they'll be playing in the middle of the night. Maybe when I get back we will have actually rebuilt sensibly in the championship and I can enjoy a half season ticket of us handing out thrashings to Blues and friends.

A man can dream.

[Risso]

was summed up to me

Gestede

needed a simple through ball to Adama

possibility of going through on goalie to make it 2-1

and he couldnt even do that - he dodnt even bust a gut to go and chase it back . a la Vardy

and then Sunderland go up the other end and score with guzan absolute useless .

That was just dreadful.  All he needed to do was just keep the ball moving, and yet his utter lack of coordination came to the fore again, it bobbled off his shin to one of them, and bang, we're 2-1 down.  From him, to Lescott and then Guzan, it was just poor play from three exceedingly bad players.

[Dave]

Where have all the 'we mustn't make it personal about that nice Mr Lerner' brigade disappeared to? Mind you, I'm glad they have disappeared

Thanks for turning up just to try and goad people into an argument Richard.

It's always appreciated.

[richard moore]

We're probably down now unless there's a miracle. In my opinion our last chance was lost when we turned our nose up to Moyes, but then again he'd have demanded a transfer/wage budget worthy of a club like Aston Villa and probably wouldn't have took the job.
What a shitfest Randy has turned us into. Shame on you.

Lerner is scum mate. Never have I seen someone completely abdicate responsibility for a club the way this charlatan has, you can see why he was mates with Colonel Blinky, fakes the pair of them.

I think Scum is a little strong,  but right about about hiding while the club falls down around him.

Nah, he's scum. An imbecile of the highest order that has organized a business structure that allows him to deflect all means of accountability.

What's his home address, I'd love to send him a hand-written.

I know your angry like we all are, but there's people in the world who deserve to be called scum more than inept football club owners.  I'm no more a fan of Lerner than you, but let's have some perspective.

Aston Villa are, and always have been, a massive part of my life. He has completely fucking ruined 'my' beloved club. He is the worst thing that has ever happened to one of the loves of my life. Therefore, in my eyes, he is absolute scum. I don't mean this personally against you LTA because I love all Villa fans, but 'one' can stick one's perspective where the sun doesn't shine.

[SashasGrandad]

Next week is a not a must win.

It is a you WILL NOT lose to Wycombe Wanderers.   

[richard moore]

Where have all the 'we mustn't make it personal about that nice Mr Lerner' brigade disappeared to? Mind you, I'm glad they have disappeared

Thanks for turning up just to try and goad people into an argument Richard.

It's always appreciated.

Oh, I was just wondering Dave, I don't really mean to do that at all, apologies and hope you are well.

[ChicagoLion]

Edvard we can disagree mate, and without doubt this squad was not strong enough for this campaign. I am not entirely sure who is to blame for that. I was just expecting hoping that Garde would have more impact and at leat get us to the transfer window in touch.
Without doubt player errors have been a massive factor on our situation.

[auntiesledd]

So it is Garde's fault? and Sherwood's, and then Lambert's, and then Mcleish's.... there is something more rotten to it - but I feel more comfortable with the start tactics from Garde than I do from the others.

Of course there's something more rotten to it: and it ain't rocket science. It's called Randolph D Lerner.

[tomd2103]

Listening to 5 live I heard pat Murphy say..the 10 men of Bournemouth look determined, fit and well coached.. wish we had just one of those attributes.

I too can't remember the last time I saw a Villa team that displayed any of those attributes.  If you look at other sides, you can at least see some kind of organisation and structure to their play.  You can see that they obviously work on things like shape and patterns of play.  With us, it is just a big mess and you have to wonder exactly what they do at Bodymoor Heath during the week.

[Risso]

Next week is a not a must win.

It is a you WILL NOT lose to Wycombe Wanderers.   

I honestly couldn't care less.