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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Dave on November 08, 2015, 03:21:25 PM
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Well, that's a bit more positive.
Who'd have thought that playing our better players might mean that we play better.
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great draw
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Fucking awful, Sherwood out
Oh sorry, I just had that on copy and paste for this thread
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Much!
Great team shape, miles better from the whole side.
Brilliant. Get the confidence from it lads.
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Good start.
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That was a performance of luck, organisation and balls. Welcome Remi - stay unbeaten.
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Much better.We looked like a team pulling in the same direction.
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That is not a bottom of the table team.
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A massive, massive point. One step at a time but we would all have bitten anyones arm off for this result.
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Okay!
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Oui, go again!
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Much better. A well earned point.
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That did not look like a top vs bottom game at all. Marvellous.
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Excellent point. A cohesive unit, correct players picked and we're a decent team. I really rate Veretout.
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Fanfuckintastic result!!!
Remi Garde walks on water tra la la la laaaa la laaaa la la
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Oui, go again!
Excellent
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Shape, fight and a bit of luck. Nice to see some organisation.
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Well done lads! Almost thoroughly enjoyable!
Good start for Remi!
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Good start. Let's build from here.
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Encouraging.
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Organised, playing some good football, Villa Park showing the love, clean sheet and another point on the board. Great performance.
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Now suck on Remi's ice-cool French balls you knuckle-headed pundits.
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Massively rode our luck at times, but we were organised and disciplined, we fought for every ball, and the players looked like they were playing for each other.
Rarely have I been so happy with a point.
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Yes nice one lads. Probably what Remi set out to do. He got to see a lot of the fellas.
Rudy did well coming on.
Richards good.
Ayew I don't think had his best day.
Gil was good in the first half.
Sanchez/Gana I think in general had decent games.
Hutton was good.
Brad needs to have a few more clean sheets to convince me.
Vertout best one out there? Certainly seemed to have a good engine on him...
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Predicted a draw but that was more down to the luck gods returning.
MOTM Veretout.
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Great boost going into the international break. We now have a spring in our step and the break will give everyone some time to work on our shape and tactics. If we can find a way to create chances against teams outside the elite then there may just be hope yet.
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Great point. Good organisation and shape. A lot of luck. Not sure where our goals will come from but unfair to judge on today. Guzan's fingertips stopped Delph from getting a last minute winner which would have just finished me off
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Makes you wonder what was going on in Sherwood and MacDonald's heads, when the rest of us could see there were some decent players not getting a sniff.
Rode our luck at times but there's no way we're going down if we play to our potential and strengthen a bit more in January.
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Well done, missus said when I cheered "scored then?" Nope its a point! ;D
Its a start. Huzzah!
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Still shaking. Superb in the first half I thought and dug in as well as we could in the second. The amount of times we worked the ball wide in the first half, I couldn't help but wish we had someone in the middle to get on the end of crosses...Still, very positive. UTV!
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Yes nice one lads. Probably what Remi set out to do. He got to see a lot of the fellas.
Rudy did well coming on.
Richards good.
Ayew I don't think had his best day.
Gil was good in the first half.
Sanchez/Gana I think in general had decent games.
Hutton was good.
Brad needs to have a few more clean sheets to convince me.
Vertout best one out there? Certainly seemed to have a good engine on him...
Bit harsh on Ayew considering he was on his own against Kompany and co and had very little service. Thought he ran his socks off and did what he could in the circumstances.
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I am not one to get carried away or go for over the top hyperbole, but it is clear to me Remi is our saviour and will lead us to the promised land.
I had a strange feeling at the end of that match, where I had to get up and pace the lounge, curl up into a ball and swear like a drunken sailor. It has been that long since I watched a match where we were hanging on to a positive result, I had forgotten all about that feeling.
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So many positives to take from that game. The biggest difference was Garde. You look at his subs and you could bet the house if it had been Sherwood it would have fallen apart. Everybody seemed to know what they had to do and where to fit in.
Doesn't it feel great to be finally organised.
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Wonderful to see them show they can play when there's a manager who can organise them.
It'll be interesting to see what Sherwood's mates have to say, when there was so obvious an improvement with the same squad of players.
Garde was watching with intensity all the game unlike Lambert and Sherwood leaning back in their seats looking mournful.
Just hope it's more than new manager bounce from the players
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Far more organised, particularly first half. Rode our luck in the second.
More quality in the final third and we could have pinched it.
Veretout is frustrating. He has good awareness, but dwells on the ball too long. He is worth persisting with, a few more games in that position and he could come into his own.
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That to me is a potentially season turning performance. That's as good as we've played since the semi-final against Liverpool. Easily.
Clark was MOTM for me. I thought he was superb today. He made some great challenges and blocks. Richards is great when it comes to last ditch but he loses runners too easily. We had a little luck on our side today and weren't punished thankfully. But particularly as captain and the main man in the backline, there's no way you can gift a side three unmarked opportunities on the six yard line. We're lucky not to be punished, but that said, we deserve a little luck and our performance warranted a point at the very least.
Hutton also played well. We know he's not a great footballer, but he puts everything into it and he made some cracking challenges.
Amavi was a disappointment for me. He looks very good at times, but he got beaten very easily on a couple of occasions by diving in. Going forward he seemed unusually hesitant to deliver a cross.
The midfield 3 did well.
Gil was tidy but he obviously tired after at the hour. N'Zogbia for me actually made more happen in the box in 30 minutes than Gil did in the first 60. I was actually (whisper it quietly) fairly impressed with Charles today. If he can somehow get inspired and if Garde can rouse Zogbia awake, then there is a good player there. He carved out our best opening.
Ayew was sharp but didn't get much of the ball. That's no surprise given the opposition and the gameplan required to take points from them.
Sinclair didn't isolate Sagna enough and run him on the outside. He was disappointing today.
For a 0-0 where we didn't get a clear cut shot on target, I'm actually chuffed at that. We just need to make better use of the opportunities we do get.
On the evidence of today though. We have quality. If we get these players looking organised and playing as well against the lesser sides, we'll pick up the points required. A point today is a ruddy good start.
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Remi the Liberator
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Fought like fucking Lions!!!!
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Sat on the train at witton....HAPPY...!!!
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Well pleased - a huge step in the right direction - great movement and awareness shown by players. Pleased to see Lescott dropped, a good shape to the team and players really put there-selves about. Sensible substitutions too - what's that all about?
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We got about as much out of that game as we could have. A good team selection, good formation, an excellent game plan, a point and even NZogbia broke into a trot when he came on.
We are a lot closer to safety than just one point on comparison to the absolute dross that featured last Monday night. City played better than any other visiting team so far this season and went away with a lot less.
I think Alan Smith would rather lose a testicle than say something positive about Villa.
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Better than I expected.Lots of concerns remain lets see after five games.
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Fantastic start for Remi
Guzan the MOTM for me apart from one spill he was outstanding along with the centre backs
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Sat on the train at witton....HAPPY...!!!
I'm on the same train. Train wankers unite!
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We got about as much out of that game as we could have. A good team selection, good formation, an excellent game plan, a point and even NZogbia broke into a trot when he came on.
We are a lot closer to safety than just one point on comparison to the absolute dross that featured last Monday night. City played better than any other visiting team so far this season and went away with a lot less.
I think Alan Smith would rather lose a testicle than say something positive about Villa.
He's a villa fan
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Not going to repeat all the positives which have already been listed, but I really enjoy having two of our midfielders in Veretout and Gana having the ability to carry the ball forward with skill.
The passing in the final third obviously needs work though. Will be interesting to see whether Kozak and/or Adama come back in.
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Encouraging, especially from the midfield 3 of Sanchez, Gana and Veretout. I think that 3 could gain us the upper hand in games against a lot of teams.
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Quite amusing listening to Richards and CLark in the post-match interview - they're really trying to be polite on questions about how Garde has changed things already at the club. The most telling comment came from Clark - he said "I think you could see it on the pitch, we were much more organised" (or words very similar to that).
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Witton train rules...ok
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I thought Sanchez was awesome today. He fought for everything like his life depended on it.
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We got our fight back , some of the tackles and challenges were great to see from Hutton,Clark and Richards.
Amavi needs to whip that cross ball , to many times he went back . Gil was great for 60 minutes and I was impressed with Sanchez today and Veretout and Gana with a run of games will be great.
Sinclair I was disappointed with in fact Charles did more in his cameo and Ayew to be fair worked hard.
Still not sure about Brad , some mistakes and some good stops .
its a pleasing one point as most media experts had it down 5-0 to them. Yes we rode our luck but we deserved that today.
Not sure where we will score a lot of goals but he still has Kozak , Adama and Grealish to work on.
I feel better than two weeks ago .
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I thought Clark, Sanchez and Veretout in particular did very well. Gil very good first half but faded in the second. Ayew worked really hard.
That's the first time I've really seen anything in Veretout - there were signs of an extremely good footballer today.
Amavi seems to have lost some confidence in getting the ball into the box. I suppose that's what being dropped for no good reason and replaced by Kieron Richardson does for you. Nice one Tim.
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Alan Hutton was very good today.
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A draw against the top side. A clean sheet. A manager only 5 days in charge. My weekend not spoiled. Well done villa.
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Having posted on page 2 about the positives, I'm now having a flirtation with negative thoughts in so much as despite all the effort and better shape we could've easily be sat here talking about a 2-0 defeat. How Guzan got his bonce in the way and their fella hit the bar from a few yards certainly showed we had a bit of luck today. Long may it continue.
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Alan Hutton was very good today.
Yeah, I was just about to give him a shout as all the attention is on our midfield. He's been good for the last few games, always gives everything and today was no different. He deserves a lot more credit than he gets.
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Garde was watching with intensity all the game unlike Lambert and Sherwood leaning back in their seats looking mournful.
I genuinely think this guy is the real deal...everything he's done so far has been very impressive and thats already carried over into a much improved performance on the pitch.
You can see him literally and intensely watching and thinking during the whole match...he's the kind of manager that will eat, sleep and shit football for his team and his club. I'm very confident that he'll get the results we need to keep us comfortably safe from relegation.
Not only well done to the team and new management team, but well done to Fox and all involved with appointing Remi Garde.
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It'll be interesting to see what Sherwood's mates have to say, when there was so obvious an improvement with the same squad of players.
They are making it all about how bad/unlucky Citihad were.
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First time ive watched since Bornemouth. Villa did us proud today. You cant ask any more than that. First half I think we actually just about shaded it. second half, we did well up until we started to tire round about 75 mins. But what a performance? keeping the ball, using it, knocking it around. No way this team should be bottom.
We've a new guy in, picked the kind of team that a lot of people on this site have been clamouring for, for weeks and what happens, we get a good performance and whilst not really near a win, we looked very good for a point.
Excellent performance Villa. Onwards and upwards. We'll be right this season if we can get near that kind of play every week.
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Twenty minutes after a Villa game finished, and I'm not feeling gutted. In fact, I would almost describe myself as "happy". Happy? Ah yes, I remember that...
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if that sort of transformation can achieved in five days, what the fuck were Tim and Kev actually doing?
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It'll be interesting to see what Sherwood's mates have to say, when there was so obvious an improvement with the same squad of players.
They are making it all about how bad/unlucky Citihad were.
Fuck the fuckers
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Twenty minutes after a Villa game finished, and I'm not feeling gutted. In fact, I would almost describe myself as "happy". Happy? Ah yes, I remember that...
Happy?! I'm fuckin delighted!!!
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Quite amusing listening to Richards and CLark in the post-match interview - they're really trying to be polite on questions about how Garde has changed things already at the club. The most telling comment came from Clark - he said "I think you could see it on the pitch, we were much more organised" (or words very similar to that).
Yes, initially I was quite disappointed that their responses did not carry much positivity, but it was all round awkward.
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Amavi seems to have lost some confidence in getting the ball into the box. I suppose that's what being dropped for no good reason and replaced by Kieron Richardson does for you. Nice one Tim.
I thought that was more to do with him only really having Ayew to aim for in there and he chose the safer option of keeping the ball.
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Quite amusing listening to Richards and CLark in the post-match interview - they're really trying to be polite on questions about how Garde has changed things already at the club. The most telling comment came from Clark - he said "I think you could see it on the pitch, we were much more organised" (or words very similar to that).
I think Richards is a spiky chap. I felt he was just holding off saying he wanted Sherwood to have stayed. And he should shut up about having feelings for Man City. Villa only Micah, just Villa. Villa.
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Happy with that, Gil was superb for 60 minutes, Veretout was my man of the match though, he never stopped, he still looked fit in injury time, great engine. Small step in the right direction.
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Amavi seems to have lost some confidence in getting the ball into the box. I suppose that's what being dropped for no good reason and replaced by Kieron Richardson does for you. Nice one Tim.
I wondered if Amavi was reluctant to commit too far forward because he was under strict instructions to keep the shape at all costs. Also City were pretty threatening down our left (most of their dangerous attacks were down that side), so maybe that was in his mind too.
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I think Alan Smith would rather lose a testicle than say something positive about Villa.
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Bit harsh - I spoke to the guy once and got the impression he is always willing us to do well, thing is, if he did what the other clowns do - i.e Thompson with Liverpool, you lose all integrity. Sky have some real morons, but in my opinion Smith, Carragher and someone who I expected to hate - Neville make good, honest points. Of course it remains to be seen if they wax lyrical about us when we play consistently well and move away from the gloomy perennial struggle, please God we find out! ;D
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Having posted on page 2 about the positives, I'm now having a flirtation with negative thoughts in so much as despite all the effort and better shape we could've easily be sat here talking about a 2-0 defeat. How Guzan got his bonce in the way and their fella hit the bar from a few yards certainly showed we had a bit of luck today. Long may it continue.
I like what Henry said; "When you're organised, you create your own luck"
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Amavi seems to have lost some confidence in getting the ball into the box. I suppose that's what being dropped for no good reason and replaced by Kieron Richardson does for you. Nice one Tim.
I wondered if Amavi was reluctant to commit too far forward because he was under strict instructions to keep the shape at all costs. Also City were pretty threatening down our left (most of their dangerous attacks were down that side), so maybe that was in his mind too.
Could have been. But the problem wasn't that he didn't get forward, it was that he got forward then passed it backwards. I still think he's going to be a blinding signing in the long run, he's just got a touch of class about him.
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I'd also like to say I thought the ref had a good game, very even handed in his decisions. Some of the established refs could take a lesson from this guy.
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"When you play with sadness it does not help". Remi Garde, tactician and philosopher.
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Probably our best result of the season even though it's not a win.
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One of the best 0-0 I have seen in a long time..when Villa Park is like that..it is one of the most intimidating places to play.. #avfcvmcfc
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Amavi seems to have lost some confidence in getting the ball into the box. I suppose that's what being dropped for no good reason and replaced by Kieron Richardson does for you. Nice one Tim.
I wondered if Amavi was reluctant to commit too far forward because he was under strict instructions to keep the shape at all costs. Also City were pretty threatening down our left (most of their dangerous attacks were down that side), so maybe that was in his mind too.
Could have been. But the problem wasn't that he didn't get forward, it was that he got forward then passed it backwards. I still think he's going to be a blinding signing in the long run, he's just got a touch of class about him.
I think it shows our need for that big striker who can do a reasonable job with ball at feet. Maybe it's Kozak, more likely the chequebook will have to come out in January.
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We got about as much out of that game as we could have. A good team selection, good formation, an excellent game plan, a point and even NZogbia broke into a trot when he came on.
We are a lot closer to safety than just one point on comparison to the absolute dross that featured last Monday night. City played better than any other visiting team so far this season and went away with a lot less.
I think Alan Smith would rather lose a testicle than say something positive about Villa.
He's a villa fan
Maybe he's Silhillvillain?
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What a difference having a tactically astute manager can make, yeah we rode our luck at times but we deserved a point on commitment, organization and desire alone.
Superb start for Remi and the club, well bloody done!
I feel way more confident now we can beat the drop after that performance.
UTV!!
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aston villa
"some very good stuffs"
loving him more already
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Fantastic point. Didn't think I would ever see Charlie Nzog in a Villa shirt again. Didn't think he did too badly. If Remi can get him playing like he did in his Wigan days, it'll be one of the greatest managerial achievements of all time.
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A striker is the problem,
Gestede came on for the final few minutes to try and cause some problems in the air bit if you play him from the start it limits the way you can play
And every time you thought 'get the ball over' it was probably pointless because we had little threat there
So we need a forward who is good in the air, great with his feet, strong, athletically fit, powering bullying personality, a bit of pace with a twist of flair
I think that should do it
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Isn't it funny how luckier you get when you play with discipline and organisation.
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We even had a Wembley roar near the end. As though we knew they needed a bit extra to hold on.
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Much improved, I thought Hutton was excellent. The improvement in the atmosphere at Villa Park was also very pleasing. Positivity is just as contagious as negativity. Let's keep it going.
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We didn't lose! Incredible, winning comes next
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A striker is the problem,
Gestede came on for the final few minutes to try and cause some problems in the air bit if you play him from the start it limits the way you can play
And every time you thought 'get the ball over' it WAC probably pointless because we had little threat there
So we need a forward who is good in the air, great with his feet, strong, athletically fit, powering bullying personality, a bit of pace with a twist of flair
I think that should do it
Yes, that would be great, but I will judge our attacking play another day. Against probably about another fourteen teams in this league, the whole team should be playing ten yards higher up the pitch and we'll have a few more players in and around the box.
Great result.
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Before the game thought it would be damage limitation. As a damage limitation exercise that result was magnifique! Especially as the pundits (what do they know?) predicted a stroll at the Park for €iteh. Will also have surprised the other clubs down at the bottom, and their fans.
A great first step forward and a base for Garde & co to work on in the international break. Plus 2 weeks for Duverne to work on fitness levels where needed.
Finally a point gained on the Stripeys! Always good news.
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Alan Hutton was very good today.
Agreed. As he was last week and much of last season. Is it time for people to accept that he's a very decent player for us?
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Finally a manager that picks a team for the good of the club - not out of spite like those last two twats #UTV
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What's this, picking a team with players playing in their best position, teamwork, intelligent substitutions at the right time and LUCK, wow
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On N'Zogbia, you never know, we might get a decent season out of him now. His contract's up at the end of the season, and so if he's to have any hope of getting another one of Premier League standard somewhere (and to be able to maintain the current standards of his wardrobe), he's going to have to pull his finger out and actually do something. If he helps keeps us up, we'll at least get some of the money we've wasted on him back.
On Remi, it was heartening to see the team was organised, fought for each other, and on occasion played some bright football - just the basics, but something that has been beyond our capabilities for quite some time. I just hope he can keep it up, remember even Billy MacNeill got a point in his first game...
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getting the side to do the basics is something that has eluded the last three managers
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Great performance all round, the elephant in the room is no shots on goal.
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Great performance all round, the elephant in the room is no shots on goal.
Gana had the first shot on 14 mins. Went high and wide to the right of the North Stand goal, no shots on target though I agree with
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Great performance all round, the elephant in the room is no shots on goal.
That's not fair, for most of the game Rudy was on the bench
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Great performance all round, the elephant in the room is no shots on goal.
Against a really good defence. Let's wait until we play a slightly worse team and when he's had more than three sessions with the team before judging.
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We have a our mojo back.
Ive been looking forward and nervous in the same degree all week for this game. Sadly I couldnt be there because I couldnt afford the £100 for myself and the two Remy Juniors. Still we watched it in hostile Olton territory and I'm all smiles.
I'm pleased that Remi Garde has come in, I had a feeling that we just needed that right acquisition after the previous failed attempts and frankly nobody had a clue how he would turn out first game.
Guzan - I've been cheesed off with this fellow all season and I am convinced we need a 2nd keeper to keep him on his toes or replace his ass. Sterling managed to do in one moment what encapsulates how Ive been feeling towards him - getting smacked on his bonce for his previous mistakes and preventing a certain goal at the same time.
Hutton - limited in ability but he's got some fire in his belly. Tackles, runs, shoves, gets caught out a few times, long term squad player and will certainly have to fight for his place come Jan.
Richards - One of the Men of the Match, Captain's performance, was where we needed him to be and kept them at bay.
Clark - The rage I felt at the concession of the first goal vs Spuds on Monday was indescribable. I'm quoting somebody else here but it was like watching a Year 7 kid trying to take on a Sixth former. Im not convinced long term simply because of the crap he's played the last 9 games. He reminds me a lot of Agent Ridgewell, plays well in patches and gets a block in but inevitably will concede. Will be far happier when he's replaced. He played well today and if he carries on this performance, I will happily apologise and eat my words.
Amavi - You can see his obvious quality and really stands out on his movement and passing. His defending isn't the strongest and gets bypassed a bit for my liking but I feel Remi will add the defending to his game and we'll sell him for £25million.
Veretout\Sanchez\Gana - The midfield 3 that I've been crying out for. This is now I feel the mainstay of this Villa team. All 3 tracked back, showed neat little touches, no panic on the ball, solid midfield base inwhich the team was able to knock around and probe for an opening. Sherwood you utter plank.
Sinclair - Showed some skill to get around their fullbacks but feel he needed to step up a gear, pleased to see he was on the team sheet.
Gil - Tricky little spaniard and great to see him start FINALLY. As expected showed his skillset and can be our little magician in the pockets of space.
Ayew - Not one of his better games, but then was alone upfront and an outlet to take the pressure off the team and keep the Man City back line wondering what he will do next.
Zog - So all he needed was some french whispered in his ear and he almost made a goal.
Rudy - Its all Hart's fault buddy, dont sweat it. Its not your problem if he cant even chest a ball. Almost clipped a winner in. Did what we all expected, won in the air and gave their back line something to think about.
Bacuna - Wish he had taken that Gil free kick instead.
Considering we played one of the most expensively assemebled teams in history I feel we made a really good account of ourselves being also a new manager's first ever match in charge and we're on the back of 7 straight defeats.
I honestly hope that this is a turning point in our history and a 0-0 draw to start us off in the right direction of accumulating points by playing the right players, in the right formation with the minimum of fuss.
We now have a 2 week break where we can re-group, work on our team and go out against Everton and get a good result.
Its especially more pleasing to see Westwood, Gabby, Lescott and Richardson all dropped which frankly was well overdue. Im certain Remi saw them on Monday and thought WTF.
Let the good times roll.
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Buzzing.
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Really need a top striker in January. I'm sure Remi has players in mind. Lerner needs to spend £15M minimum on a striker or risk losing £100m with relegation - no brained isn't it Randy??
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That game plan is presumably the format for the next match.
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Its such a relief to have manager that actually coach. Such a change after Sherwoods poses for the Media and Lamberts mad scribbling.
There is intent and purpose both in how he picked the team, the coaching and the changes. A divine spark of intelligence if you will, that we havn't seen in a Villa Manager since Houllier (who had failing health and was depraved of all financial support). Its very encouraging to see how the players respond to that (at least those on the pitch today). Everyone improved vastly on their last performances (Clark, Richards, Hutton, Amavi and Sanchez most of all).
I know everyone wants a striker more then anything, although I agree we could use that but even more I think we need a new keeper. Guzan was lucky today, two fumbles that Villa defence could clear. Steerlings header hitting him right in the face. The one that hit the bar... He sure fought as bravely as anyone else ... he just declined and cant see him getting the grove back. He looks heavy, grip is poor and his skill with his feet has never been good.
Happy for Richards that shut out the club that rejected him. As good as anyone of their defenders today.
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Only Manure have a conceded less than Man City, so although far from ideal, it's not the end of the world not to have a shot on target. With the shambles we've been, getting the defence and midfield right was a lot more important and we did that today. I thought our MF were on top first half. Against the likes of De Bruyne and Yaya that is some going from where we have been the last couple of months.
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Quite amusing listening to Richards and CLark in the post-match interview - they're really trying to be polite on questions about how Garde has changed things already at the club. The most telling comment came from Clark - he said "I think you could see it on the pitch, we were much more organised" (or words very similar to that).
I think Richards is a spiky chap. I felt he was just holding off saying he wanted Sherwood to have stayed. And he should shut up about having feelings for Man City. Villa only Micah, just Villa. Villa.
To be fair he dodged the 'playing against man city' question initially, and only when pressed on what it meant to him personally did he answer that honestly.
It has an affect on me going back to a hospital I was a patient at and started my career at, he was playing against the team he joined age 14 and grew up at for 12years (not including the Italian loan period), first time he'll have ever faced that shirt as opposition; he didn't go on about it, but did reply. More interesting was the diplomatic understatement around what had changed, the general theme from the centre backs being organisation.
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Oh and Manure are the only other side to keep a clean sheet against them this season. Way more positives than negatives today.
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A striker is the problem,
Gestede came on for the final few minutes to try and cause some problems in the air bit if you play him from the start it limits the way you can play
And every time you thought 'get the ball over' it was probably pointless because we had little threat there
So we need a forward who is good in the air, great with his feet, strong, athletically fit, powering bullying personality, a bit of pace with a twist of flair
I think that should do it
Isn't that what the 32.5 million quid was supposed to fund?
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good start.
onwards and upwards.
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Alan Hutton was very good today.
Not a fan of him but totally agree. I thought he was superb against likes of KDB and whole fanfare of attackers they have. Difficult to split MotM today but he is there amongst equals.
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People grinning and clapping.
Handshakes and backslaps from strangers.
A warm feeling.
A point.
Where the hell was I this afternoon?
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Certainly more positives than negatives today.
A much more organised and disciplined display and that point could be so crucial.
Interesting image on twitter of Collymore giving Delph the bird when he came on from the press area.
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Alan Hutton was very good today.
Not a fan of him but totally agree. I thought he was superb against likes of KDB and whole fanfare of attackers they have. Difficult to split MotM today but he is there amongst equals.
I say every time I see him play that we get 100% of what he has to offer - he is not a tricksy flying wing-back but he is a totally committed professional and I appreciate that
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The players I've wanted to see start did well today. Veretout was careful with the ball and very mindful of his position on the pitch. Gil was really impressive, kept the ball so well under pressure, he needs to get fitter and last the 90! Sanchez looks like he can play that defensive midfielder role and made fewer errors with the ball today. Gana was less noticeable tiday but worked hard. I left feeling they had all tried their upmost and that's what we all want to see. Sinclair tried but struggled to shake off their defence, I was impressed with how he supported the full back defensively though. Just a point I know but I feel it will give the squad a boost. Signs of tiredness at the end, Amavi in particular, but hopefully these lads will get a decent run in the team.
Another star performance was the guy who played the last post at the start, found it quite moving, must be my age!
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Some years ago during or 6th finishing seasons under MON I felt disgusted that some of our players celebrated a 0-0 at home match against Chelsea ....today I joined in with players and fans with gusto. This was very very important for us fans, Garde and players. Shame it's a two week break now.
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Wonderful start for Villa with Remi Garde.
Christmas has arrived early! Long may it last.
Thanks to Randy and Tom as well. Looks like the luck has turned, what a great appointment.
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Didnt look like two teams that far apart.
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The midfield we wanted.The organisation we needed.Remi Garde has made us look watchable.
He doesn't need too much. Could he do something with Libor ? You know I think he could.
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Encouraging, especially from the midfield 3 of Sanchez, Gana and Veretout. I think that 3 could gain us the upper hand in games against a lot of teams.
this
at half time you couldnt tell the diference with who was top and who was bottom
we had a good shape and moved the ball at pace and actually won most of the second balls
faded second half and rode our luck but we dug in an got a good point
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I know everyone wants a striker more then anything, although I agree we could use that but even more I think we need a new keeper. Guzan was lucky today, two fumbles that Villa defence could clear. Steerlings header hitting him right in the face. The one that hit the bar... He sure fought as bravely as anyone else ... he just declined and cant see him getting the grove back. He looks heavy, grip is poor and his skill with his feet has never been good.
You shouldn't overlook the best save of all, finger tipping away the cross at the end that would otherwise have been a certain goal.
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People grinning and clapping.
Handshakes and backslaps from strangers.
A warm feeling.
A point.
Where the hell was I this afternoon?
Yes for once it was nice to say goodbye to fellow ST's with a smile and everyone was chirpy walking away from the ground. It doesn't take a lot please us Villains and we need more of that.
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What a difference in the space of just a week! More organised, players confident on the ball, more passion, harder working, more skill. Sure we rode our luck a couple of times, but that was a hard fought, well-earned point which we wouldn't have got under Sherwood. And where were those players that Sherwood said were too raw, unfit, and not ready for the PL - oh, that was them on the pitch today. And the re-introduction of Charles tells me that anyone in the squad can be picked and will now be judged on merit and how they fit into Garde's team shape, not on reputation. Gabby may not get a sniff. Well pleased coming away from VP today - I feel really hopeful that maybe, just maybe, Garde will keep us up and take us on to better times.
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Brilliant result.
No way did that look like top vs bottom. Citeh have recently scored 6 past Newcastle, 5 past Bournemouth and 4 past Sunderland, so if we can maintain that level of performance relegation should be wiped off the agenda.
A few things that I liked
Gestede making Hart look stupid throwing the ball at him. Would have loved to have scored from the resulting corner.
Remi looking like a manager who has studied the game.
The Villa Park atmosphere sounded great on TV.
Delph was left in no doubt what we think of him. The TV even showed a couple of young Villa fans holding up snakes
UTV
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A very good point and more importantly a clean sheet. Small steps.
Still as well as we competed Man. City still missed two sitters, if Aguero was playing that was a 0-2 win.
The team selection was good but still don't think we have enough in the final third to win 9-10 games.
If we can nick a point at Everton like today and beat Watford we're right back in this.
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Agree with Soccer. It was a performance that had grit and organisation that I think few pundits thought Garde would bring.
If we can get to January picking up 10-12 points from here, which is what 9 games? and then sign a striker that will basically put the ball away, we will be fine.
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It is *so* telling, just simply picking better players, organised into better shape.
In the post match interview, I thought Remi's English would be perfect which it isn't, but is completely understandable.
It's early days but he's done everything right.
As everyone says, isn't it amazing the not cutting it new players dropped/frozen out that just step up:
MacDonald it seems now doesn't see himself as a manager (did it ever come out why he left Swindon?) and he's had success developing youth so maybe I should leave that there. Maybe the same players low in confidence looked poor in his week of training, though what does that say about his coaching, motivational or selection skills?
But in much the same way Sherwood's 'shackles off chest out' basic tactics/Mr motivator made Lambert look very poor, it seems Remi has the potential to show the pundits that Tactics Tim wasn't as unfair a nick name as we'd hoped for so long...
I watched a fans chatshow thing on YouTube that commented on Sherwood's confidence being his greatest strength and his biggest weakness. I thought that an excellent point. We all mess up, but you've got to be able to see it, acknowledge it, and put it right.
So yes, Remi, now liberate Libor too?
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This is how good things can start.
We actually looked like a football team team today, for the first time in a long time.
And a word of praise for Clark who takes all kinds of stick, but was magnificent today.
Onwards and upwards.
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Let's all just remember that the number of teams who've ever stayed up after a start like ours is around three I think - in the premier league era
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Every word of his post match interviews has been delivered maturely. What a welcome change to "my team is boring", or "I don't know what else to do" type comments. Or those delivered in the third person. And some were questioning his ability to communicate.
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Let's all just remember that the number of teams who've ever stayed up after a start like ours is around three I think - in the premier league era
So it can be done...
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That is not a bottom of the table team.
It only is with a sit manager.
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Let's all just remember that the number of teams who've ever stayed up after a start like ours is around three I think - in the premier league era
It's one after four points from 11 games (Palace). Will just make staying up all the more impressive.
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For me, it was clear from the team selection and the first 20 minutes that Garde knows how he wants his team to play. Sherwood didn't seem to have a clue, constantly chopping and changing. So we're looking at 4-2-3-1, each player knowing which position they are competing for.
There is definitely a good player in Vertout he just needs the support and confidence.
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I've lost count of the times I thought Villa were about to turn the corner..Usually when I've thought that they have dropped the knut on me , smashed me in the balls and have proceeded to kick the shit out of me. I just hope that this time I won't have to endure such a beating. Don't do twitter but is it hashtag feeling positive that you say on occasions like this ?
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Let's all just remember that the number of teams who've ever stayed up after a start like ours is around three I think - in the premier league era
It's one after four points from 11 games (Palace). Will just make staying up all the more impressive.
However Palace were clear with about 6 games to so it's nowhere near impossible.
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Let's all just remember that the number of teams who've ever stayed up after a start like ours is around three I think - in the premier league era
It's one after four points from 11 games (Palace). Will just make staying up all the more impressive.
However Palace were clear with about 6 games to so it's nowhere near impossible.
Exactly. They didn't just stay up, they did so very comfortably. Teams who have four points after 11 games tend to go down because they're shit. I just think we've been mismanaged and a strong leader will see us fine. Five points is nothing in November.
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Let's all just remember that the number of teams who've ever stayed up after a start like ours is around three I think - in the premier league era
It's one after four points from 11 games (Palace). Will just make staying up all the more impressive.
However Palace were clear with about 6 games to so it's nowhere near impossible.
Exactly. They didn't just stay up, they did so very comfortably. Teams who have four points after 11 games tend to go down because they're shit. I just think we've been mismanaged and a strong leader will see us fine. Five points is nothing in November.
In the same season 13/14 Sunderland had 8 points from 15 games (5 points from safety) and still stayed up with 2 games to spare.
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Well I've been less interested in villa of late than I've ever been since I was 9. So I hope you're all right.
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as said above, the majority of sides that have as shit a start as we have tend to do that because they are shite, the players are shite so it doesn't matter who the manager is they will be shite over all 38 games. We showed today that we have a number of players that aren't shite, they've just been grossly mismanaged and coached.
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I think today could be a massive game for the team, who let's not forget are mostly new to each other, let alone the league. A big, gutsy performance with the result to go with it, with our fans making all the noise they could for them, could have a binding effect on them as a team.
If we can carry that forward, I think we could see mid-table form which would see us safe, I think. There are teams there, Norwich and Bournemouth for instance, who look due a very big dip, and we'll be there to capitalise when they do I think.
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How did those of you watching on TV saw the Gestede/Hart throw in incidents. From upper Witton End I saw it as the throw back was a bit harsh but Hart could have left it rather than trying to play it and giving the corner away? City players going mad I did not understand however fair play to Kompany who told them to get on with it.
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At times today we looked like a footballing side..think I best open another rioja just to make sure I'm not dreaming.
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How did those of you watching on TV saw the Gestede/Hart throw in incidents. From upper Witton End I saw it as the throw back was a bit harsh but Hart could have left it rather than trying to play it and giving the corner away? City players going mad I did not understand however fair play to Kompany who told them to get on with it.
I thought Gestede was trying to throw it out for a goalkick. A bit dicky, but nothing to justify the way that some City fans have lost their minds over it.
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How did those of you watching on TV saw the Gestede/Hart throw in incidents. From upper Witton End I saw it as the throw back was a bit harsh but Hart could have left it rather than trying to play it and giving the corner away? City players going mad I did not understand however fair play to Kompany who told them to get on with it.
I was in the Holte and it was obvious Rudy was going to try and throw it out for a goal kick. Hart tried to be clever and keep it in play and gave away a corner. Not the greatest sportmanship from us, but we were ultimately trying to give them the ball back.
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Nice to see the team coming towards the Holte End after the game to show their appreciation too. We're all in it together - someone else said that but he was just a lying toff - we actually are all in it together
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Welcome back, Fabian!
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How did those of you watching on TV saw the Gestede/Hart throw in incidents. From upper Witton End I saw it as the throw back was a bit harsh but Hart could have left it rather than trying to play it and giving the corner away? City players going mad I did not understand however fair play to Kompany who told them to get on with it.
Gestede and Hart were talking before it. Gestede seemed to know what he was doing, the throw-in had a bit of whip on it and seemed to be aimed at Hart's legs. Not very good sportsmanship but in our position I really didn't give a shit and too often we're the nice guy when we could do with a bit of aggression. It's a shame Gestede's flick from the resulting corner didn't drop in and really cause a stir.
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I will welcome the point ta!
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Very, very pleased.
It's nice to come home and be upbeat about our performance.
I thought Sinclair worked tirelessly, Guzan looked very short of confidence but grew as the game progressed, and Hutton - well for the second game running he's making me eat humble pie. I was very impressed with him. Everyone seemed to play for each other and took responsibility for each other.
All I hope for is all of our foreign legion come back fit from the international break.
Just one other thing - I was so proud of the way our service personnel were applauded.
This kind of thing sets us apart from others
Vive le revolution
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To be honest it's about as much as Gestede did when he came on. Harsh to judge him too much on that, but there was one moment where Veretout won the ball and was running through the middle with Gestede to his left, and what he really needed was a runner in the inside-left channel to receive the pass. Instead, Rudy was so unbelievably slow that he was forced to check to his right, and was tackled.
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With Sherwood we were gone, now we have a chance.
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I thought Sanchez today looked like the player we though he might be when we signed him.
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Certainly more positives than negatives today.
A much more organised and disciplined display and that point could be so crucial.
Interesting image on twitter of Collymore giving Delph the bird when he came on from the press area.
Link?
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I think today could be a massive game for the team, who let's not forget are mostly new to each other, let alone the league. A big, gutsy performance with the result to go with it, with our fans making all the noise they could for them, could have a binding effect on them as a team.
If we can carry that forward, I think we could see mid-table form which would see us safe, I think. There are teams there, Norwich and Bournemouth for instance, who look due a very big dip, and we'll be there to capitalise when they do I think.
Bouremouth will finish bottom imo, they've been on a downer since Wilson got injured at Stoke which is understandable as their whole attacking game plan revolved around him.
Annoying Norwich won yesterday as their next two are Chelsea and Arsenal, they seem capable of putting aside bad form and winning the six pointers which dosen't bode well for us.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTTVOv3XAAATjx3.jpg)
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Or the Blue Moon version.
(http://i64.tinypic.com/1181zls.jpg)
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Or the Blue Moon version.
(http://i64.tinypic.com/1181zls.jpg)
A bit precious!
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Great start Remi, missed the whole game so I can't judge too much. The comments on here seem very positive.
Love your quote after the match, now my adopted signature.
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Compared to what has gone before, that was excellent, a Villa team that actually looked as if they knew what they were doing and for once the gods were on our side. At the end of the match the neutrals in the White Horsr were all saying that isn’t a bottom of the table side
Onwards and upwards.
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They are owned by the rulers of a mysoginist, homophobic, brutal, repressive regime. Any arguments about morals by them has been lost before we even start.
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Having a manager who can manage makes all the difference.
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Annoying Norwich won yesterday as their next two are Chelsea and Arsenal, they seem capable of putting aside bad form and winning the six pointers which dosen't bode well for us.
Doesn't everyone beat Chelsea nowadays? (Except Sherwood !!)
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Having found that pic on Blue Moon I read the first 10 pages or so of their post-match thread. It's very very funny.
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Proud of everyone today, the team and our fans.
Get them all match fit and we ain't that bad.
Hutton my MOM!
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Or the Blue Moon version.
(http://i64.tinypic.com/1181zls.jpg)
Yeah because we can all see Stan in the press box can't we? Twats. Let's gloss over your owners and the regime they represent and highlight some bloke giving Fabian Delph the thumbs down!
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How did those of you watching on TV saw the Gestede/Hart throw in incidents. From upper Witton End I saw it as the throw back was a bit harsh but Hart could have left it rather than trying to play it and giving the corner away? City players going mad I did not understand however fair play to Kompany who told them to get on with it.
I thought Gestede was trying to throw it out for a goalkick. A bit dicky, but nothing to justify the way that some City fans have lost their minds over it.
Watching it on TV Gested was pointing Hart towards his area as if he wanted to throw it there. Why Hart decided to insist on receiving the ball where he was seems strange, tough shit if he couldn't control it.
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They are owned by the rulers of a mysoginist, homophobic, brutal, repressive regime. Any arguments about morals by them has been lost before we even start.
I take it you're referring to Rudy's brilliant throw in. It's a bit scary that England's first choice goalkeeper doesn't understand the rule of Association Football. :D
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How did those of you watching on TV saw the Gestede/Hart throw in incidents. From upper Witton End I saw it as the throw back was a bit harsh but Hart could have left it rather than trying to play it and giving the corner away? City players going mad I did not understand however fair play to Kompany who told them to get on with it.
I thought Gestede was trying to throw it out for a goalkick. A bit dicky, but nothing to justify the way that some City fans have lost their minds over it.
Watching it on TV Gested was pointing Hart towards his area as if he wanted to throw it there. Why Hart decided to insist on receiving the ball where he was seems strange, tough shit if he couldn't control it.
Hart was tapping his chest as if to tell Rudy he wanted to receive it, chest it down and whack it.
Rudy did exactly what Hart wanted, but with a little bit more pace than Hart was expecting.
Oh well, tough shit.
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Its a start. Massively impressed by the attitude, spirit, and organization - the game remains simple in its basics (which is why its a great game). Remi clearly had a huge impact, and as others said, his demeanor on the sideline is a world away from the other idiots previously entrusted with this great club.
But not getting carried away either. We ought to have been beaten, no shots on target, and holding on for dear life at the end. Remi and the players still have a mountain to climb to get out of the hole we are in.
Baby steps .... happy tonight
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We defended better against them last year and ended up losing 2-0. Hutton poor marking for the two good chances but it's for them to score them, they didn't. So, 0-0. The thing for me is that we were breathing too heavily too quickly which showed that the conditioning of the players wasn't great under the previous manager and also, that it took less than one week to get them organised. I shows the players wanted to do it, could do it, but that they weren't set up to be it.
Little attacking intent but we were playing top of the table so we could still have done little and been in 11th. Small acorns and all that. Very pleased with the point.
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How did those of you watching on TV saw the Gestede/Hart throw in incidents. From upper Witton End I saw it as the throw back was a bit harsh but Hart could have left it rather than trying to play it and giving the corner away? City players going mad I did not understand however fair play to Kompany who told them to get on with it.
I thought Gestede was trying to throw it out for a goalkick. A bit dicky, but nothing to justify the way that some City fans have lost their minds over it.
Watching it on TV Gested was pointing Hart towards his area as if he wanted to throw it there. Why Hart decided to insist on receiving the ball where he was seems strange, tough shit if he couldn't control it.
Hart was tapping his chest as if to tell Rudy he wanted to receive it, chest it down and whack it.
Rudy did exactly what Hart wanted, but with a little bit more pace than Hart was expecting.
Oh well, tough shit.
I don't know why hart was going so mental. He should've let Gestede throw the ball straight out for a goal kick.
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Joe Hart can fuck off.
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How did those of you watching on TV saw the Gestede/Hart throw in incidents. From upper Witton End I saw it as the throw back was a bit harsh but Hart could have left it rather than trying to play it and giving the corner away? City players going mad I did not understand however fair play to Kompany who told them to get on with it.
I thought Gestede was trying to throw it out for a goalkick. A bit dicky, but nothing to justify the way that some City fans have lost their minds over it.
Watching it on TV Gested was pointing Hart towards his area as if he wanted to throw it there. Why Hart decided to insist on receiving the ball where he was seems strange, tough shit if he couldn't control it.
Hart was tapping his chest as if to tell Rudy he wanted to receive it, chest it down and whack it.
Rudy did exactly what Hart wanted, but with a little bit more pace than Hart was expecting.
Oh well, tough shit.
I don't know why hart was going so mental. He should've let Gestede throw the ball straight out for a goal kick.
I thought Hart was trying to stop the ball going out for a goal kick so he could pick the ball up and launch another attack quicker
Hart had already been complaining to the ref about Villa timewasting
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Encouraging. Thought we looked a lot more solid and organised, and although we didn't create too many chances, we did threaten a times. What pleased me most was that the midfield at last looked balanced and worked well. I thought Gil showed some nice touches, but a lot of his good play was in deep positions and we could do with him producing it further up the pitch. The defence looked OK, though Amavi looks a little suspect defensively and almost all their good chances came from his side.
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So hard to watch it on TV - should have been there instead playing in an over 50ths County Squash match and lost.
Anyway to me a spirited performance. Fear however that we may need more than that to survive. We desperately need a No 9 (Charlie Austin are you listening).
Our season will be determined on results against teams around us in a mini league if you like rather than a surprise point against top of the table.
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Having found that pic on Blue Moon I read the first 10 pages or so of their post-match thread. It's very very funny.
http://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/threads/villa-vs-city-post-match-thread.317105/page-5
Page 5 last post is priceless. What would her have done after three years of Lambert and six months of Sherwood? You's see the explosion in Alpha Centauri with the naked eye....
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Just home. Very, very important game. Massive team performance. The fact that Remi can put out the team after five days that we have been screaming for since September tells you just how out of touch and provocative Sherwood was. Sanchez was my man of the match with Veretout, Clark and Hutton not far behind.
What did the Chinese Emperors say about Generals must be lucky?
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It was just nice not to lose but it was so much better. It was organised, the subs were spot on (the Bacuna one especially) and yes, we did ride our luck a bit but it's about bloody time we had some. Onwards and upwards hopefully.
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Enjoyable performance, we knocked it round well and matched them far more than you would expect the bottom club to. Looking forward again now, there is hope!
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I actually saw passing AND movement off the ball at times. It scared me.
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Yes we rode our luck but at times we played some really neat possession football, especially in the first half. Garde now has 2 weeks to work with the team and hopefully we can improve from here on. The season starts now!
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Remi Garde got it right today.
Correct line up. Good subs at good times.
Only problem was we forced them wide, and our full backs got so narrow at times.
Nice to break the trend of getting beat. Well done.
UTV
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Having found that pic on Blue Moon I read the first 10 pages or so of their post-match thread. It's very very funny.
http://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/threads/villa-vs-city-post-match-thread.317105/page-5
Page 5 last post is priceless. What would her have done after three years of Lambert and six months of Sherwood? You's see the explosion in Alpha Centauri with the naked eye....
I got to about page 25 when I gave up. It was very funny, but a couple of things struck me. I'm glad we moderate as we do as the amount of insults they were giving each other was ridiculous. And also just how many plastics they have now that think they have some divine right to success.
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Reading that forum is the textual equivalent of being at a chavs' wedding. If it had a car park, they would definitely be having a scrap in it.
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The most important positive to bring away from today is that it really is a fresh start. We're not asking the same players who got us into this mess suddenly to get us out. It's a new team.
The way they started the game, keeping the ball, not giving it away, not allowing themselved to be panicked or rushed into a mistake, was something completely new. They have confidence in themselves and their team-mates.
I suspect most of those eleven players have known all season they deserved to start. If Remi can persuade Richards to simmer down and accept the new order - and I'm sure a couple of decent results is all it'll take - they really will be playing as a team.
Every time I've seen Villa relegated, the eleven on the pitch have come out scared, played scared and fallen apart. If our best players play for each other, we will be fine.
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When I saw the line-up, I had a sense of "finally!". I thought with the new manager effect we'd maybe contain them for 70 minutes before our legendary running out of steam kicked in, and they'd bag a couple towards the end. Rode our luck a bit, chuffed with a point, but couldn't help but wonder on how much better we'd already be if this had been our starting XI with the regularity which many of us, on here anyway, reckon it should've been. Movement. Quick to the second ball. Patience in looking for an opportunity to move forward. Supporting the man in possession. All simple things which we've seemingly overlooked for a long time, but all evident today.
And I'd like to see Ayew get a run up top. We won't be playing against a back four like theirs often, and I reckon he's got more than enough about him to get plenty of joy from lesser central defences.
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Reading that forum is the textual equivalent of being at a chavs' wedding. If it had a car park, they would definitely be having a scrap in it.
Not really, there wouldn't be any room because they'd have all parked like c**ts.
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How did those of you watching on TV saw the Gestede/Hart throw in incidents. From upper Witton End I saw it as the throw back was a bit harsh but Hart could have left it rather than trying to play it and giving the corner away? City players going mad I did not understand however fair play to Kompany who told them to get on with it.
Gestede and Hart were talking before it. Gestede seemed to know what he was doing, the throw-in had a bit of whip on it and seemed to be aimed at Hart's legs. Not very good sportsmanship but in our position I really didn't give a shit and too often we're the nice guy when we could do with a bit of aggression. It's a shame Gestede's flick from the resulting corner didn't drop in and really cause a stir.
A city fan on the Guardian website said it was the most outrageous example of gamesmanship he'd ever seen. I think he needs to get out more.
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How did those of you watching on TV saw the Gestede/Hart throw in incidents. From upper Witton End I saw it as the throw back was a bit harsh but Hart could have left it rather than trying to play it and giving the corner away? City players going mad I did not understand however fair play to Kompany who told them to get on with it.
Gestede and Hart were talking before it. Gestede seemed to know what he was doing, the throw-in had a bit of whip on it and seemed to be aimed at Hart's legs. Not very good sportsmanship but in our position I really didn't give a shit and too often we're the nice guy when we could do with a bit of aggression. It's a shame Gestede's flick from the resulting corner didn't drop in and really cause a stir.
A city fan on the Guardian website said it was the most outrageous example of gamesmanship he'd ever seen. I think he needs to get out more.
Worse than when Arsenal actually scored from a throw in v Sheffield.
I just though it was hilarious. It's not like we actually scored from it, Joe Hart could've just let it role out for a GK or y'know actually control the ball.
You usually see teams kick the ball into the corner and pressure teams from there so to me not a whole lot different.
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I have moved the minute hand on the Doomsday Clock from We're Fucked O'clock to two minutes to Cautiously Optimistic.
What was most refreshing today was that whenever they made a mistake, they worked hard to rectify it. The effort and the organisation were all first rate. Where the goals come from is still a concern but most importantly, we've staunched the bleeding.
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Also: there must be something in the tapwater at the Etihad because the whole Citeh squad are built like professional wrestlers. Even that cheating little twat Sterling looks more like a rugby league scrum half than a footballer. As for Yaya Toure, he's the largest man I have ever seen on the VP pitch.
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Also: there must be something in the tapwater at the Etihad because the whole Citeh squad are built like professional wrestlers. Even that cheating little twat Sterling looks more like a rugby league scrum half than a footballer. As for Yaya Toure, he's the largest man I have ever seen on the VP pitch.
Are you forgetting about Grant Holt?
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Also: there must be something in the tapwater at the Etihad because the whole Citeh squad are built like professional wrestlers. Even that cheating little twat Sterling looks more like a rugby league scrum half than a footballer. As for Yaya Toure, he's the largest man I have ever seen on the VP pitch.
They reminded me of Orcs from Lord of the Rngs.
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How did those of you watching on TV saw the Gestede/Hart throw in incidents. From upper Witton End I saw it as the throw back was a bit harsh but Hart could have left it rather than trying to play it and giving the corner away? City players going mad I did not understand however fair play to Kompany who told them to get on with it.
Gestede and Hart were talking before it. Gestede seemed to know what he was doing, the throw-in had a bit of whip on it and seemed to be aimed at Hart's legs. Not very good sportsmanship but in our position I really didn't give a shit and too often we're the nice guy when we could do with a bit of aggression. It's a shame Gestede's flick from the resulting corner didn't drop in and really cause a stir.
A city fan on the Guardian website said it was the most outrageous example of gamesmanship he'd ever seen. I think he needs to get out more.
says a man reading the guardian on a sunday night
ps only joking
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Rémi Garde spoke to the press after the solid point against Man City.
Find his comments below.
On the point…
I am pleased for the players because they worked very hard.
They have worked very well since the start of the week.
They were rewarded with this good point.
On what he's worked on this past week…
I have worked on many parts.
Every manager has his own view on football. You also have to adapt to the players you have - and the qualities they have.
So I tried to find the best solution for today's game.
Maybe next time will be different.
On moving forward…
It gives us something to build on.
We got a clean sheet against such a good team, such good players all over the field.
That means we should be a little bit more confident next time.
It was a good occasion to do it.
We have been a bit lucky of course because they touched the bar. We didn't create so many chances, I know that.
But it was City - and a City full of confidence.
They had a brilliant, brilliant game in Sevilla, which is a good team.
I thought it was a good point to work on.
On his emotions…
I was not frustrated not to get the three points.
I am realistic.
It's quite a good start.
On Carles Gil…
For me Carles can be very useful for the team.
Today was a good game for him.
He had a lot of defensive work to do and he did it very well.
He has to carry on like all the other players.
On Jordan Veretout…
Jordan didn't play for a few weeks so I wasn't sure he could go until the end. I think he had cramp at the end.
Ashley Westwood was not in the group because he suffered a bad kick on Monday. He didn't train this week.
Ashley could have played as well.
On rising confidence…
We have very good players in this group.
We have to believe we can be safe. It will be a tough mission.
Let's see what will happen.
On getting a bit of luck against City…
You have to be lucky also, of course.
But to be lucky you have to work hard.
Luck is not coming knocking on your door, saying 'I'm here.'
You create that - that situation and the behavior to get lucky.
It would have been very disappointing for us not to get a point.
On scoring more goals…
I am not crazy. I am quite realistic about the team we played against today.
I was not expecting three or four goals from my team to be fair because we played Manchester City. City is top of the table.
We will work hard to score goals of course.
It's step by step.
On the international break…
There are a lot that will leave.
It would have been better for me to have all the group on training sessions for the two weeks.
I will adapt. We will work hard with the players that are there.
It's the same for all the teams so I am not complaining.
On Charles N'Zogbia…
I think Charles is an interesting player.
He was quite okay on the training sessions and I thought he could be useful for the team. That's it.
Maybe next week it will be another. I don't know.
On Brad Guzan's save from Raheem Sterling's header…
I will ask Tony Parks if that was in the training session!
On Gabby Agbonlahor's absence…
Gabby was off at half-time with a calf injury at Tottenham.
He was in treatment all week. He was not fit to play today.
Let's see how the injury is going.
But he was in the dressing room with all the lads and hopefully he will be fit soon.
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Wonderful, just wonderful.
It's hard to single anyone out.. they all impressed
Sanchez was my MOTM, that guys an absolute beast. Fantastic. When he had Sterling climbing on his back, and then two man city midfielders trying to take the ball off him and he just beasted through them all >>>>
Gil was his usual self, always making things happen and forward thinking, surely becoming the first name on the team sheet
Was Great to see Amavi back to his usual role, made the Richardson replacement decision look even more appalling
Veretout was one of the slowest starters, he was clearly the one who hadn't been getting games. But as the game went on he grew into it more and more. There's not a chance Westwood is getting a sniff after that performance. Great forward runs towards the end.
Ayew's really growing into his role into the team, had no idea he'd be so strong in the air. Also capable of holding the ball up and tracking back. We'll need to see more in front of goal but no complaints today.
I thought N'Zogbia would be due a return once the new manager came in. He was impressive in his return to the team and showed more danger than Sinclair did. Looking forward to seeing more.
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Also: there must be something in the tapwater at the Etihad because the whole Citeh squad are built like professional wrestlers. Even that cheating little twat Sterling looks more like a rugby league scrum half than a footballer. As for Yaya Toure, he's the largest man I have ever seen on the VP pitch.
Are you forgetting about Grant Holt?
May be Damon is talking about the largest man who can actually move?
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My heart lifted when I saw the line up, including the midfield most of us have wanted to see since August. The team clearly knew what it was doing and how/why...my concern was that we would buckle due to fatigue after 60/70 minutes, and we did to some extent but 110% effort kept things together. We had some "luck" but all teams do - Spuds had loads of it on Monday, most of it provided by us!
There is no doubt that Garde has already sorted out who the obviously better players are and where to play them for the benefit of the team...I anticipate this will continue to improve.
How we improve/increase our scoring chances is not as easy as buying a striker...it's the midfield where the chances are created and where I hope we will see significant progress over the next few months.
I think that will be down to improved fitness all round and the likes of Ayew, Sinclair?, Kozak?, Gestede, AN Other being sharper and more adept at making the most of the service they get.
imho I thought Sanchez - one wayward pass? - was outstanding today.
The Gestede throw-in thing? He threw it to give them a goal kick. If Hart tries to be clever and fu*ks it up that's Hart's fault. No bad sportsmanship involved at all.
Come on you Villa boys!
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Sitting in L7,was sad to see people getting chucked out after 4 mins for ,I believe persistent standing.It seems the stewards have been over zealous with the Brigada lot.Im not a member and sit about 12 rows back,but would love to know the score.
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We drew 0-0.
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We drew 0-0.
to the tune of blue moon?
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Also: there must be something in the tapwater at the Etihad because the whole Citeh squad are built like professional wrestlers. Even that cheating little twat Sterling looks more like a rugby league scrum half than a footballer. As for Yaya Toure, he's the largest man I have ever seen on the VP pitch.
I said something similar to Mrs Ealing. She made it clear that she couldn't give a shit. But the difference between the two sets of players was incredible.
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How did those of you watching on TV saw the Gestede/Hart throw in incidents. From upper Witton End I saw it as the throw back was a bit harsh but Hart could have left it rather than trying to play it and giving the corner away? City players going mad I did not understand however fair play to Kompany who told them to get on with it.
Gestede and Hart were talking before it. Gestede seemed to know what he was doing, the throw-in had a bit of whip on it and seemed to be aimed at Hart's legs. Not very good sportsmanship but in our position I really didn't give a shit and too often we're the nice guy when we could do with a bit of aggression. It's a shame Gestede's flick from the resulting corner didn't drop in and really cause a stir.
A city fan on the Guardian website said it was the most outrageous example of gamesmanship he'd ever seen. I think he needs to get out more.
says a man reading the guardian on a sunday night
ps only joking
Only the football section!
How do you know I'm a man anyway, you sexist pig? (Sorry, once a Guardian reader always a Guardian reader).
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After a half a week in charge, to be playing the top team in the country - who'd just had an outstanding performance in Europe in midweek - that was a hugely encouraging display. We rode our luck, but our performance deserved a bit of that. For the first time since the false dawn of the FA Cup semi, I actually feel optimistic about our chances for the rest of this season. If we can continue to play like that, and with a decent addition or two in Jan, we'll be ok.
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Guzan was much better today, he looked calmer. Hutton and Richards have to stop switching off when the ball comes in to the middle but we generally good. Clark did well but still needs to cut out the silly mistakes. Amavi got caught out a few times but was two to one most of the time. Saying that, I thought we defended well and have something to build on. Sanchez, so much better, as was Gana. Vertout worked hard, gave it away a few times but did well overall. Gil is a player. No pace, but is an artist and I would like him to have a run in the side now. Ayew worked hard, on his own, but did well enough. I also thought that Sinclair played well. No great width from Villa other than the full back getting forward, but I am sure that this was part of the instructions from Garde.
Overall, I'd have snatched their hands off for a goalless draw before the game. We played some really nice stuff without looking really threatening, I'm sure that will come in time. Great point and very much a cause for optimism. Up the Villa. If we can do it against Man City, we can do this against any other team in the division.
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On Brad Guzan's save from Raheem Sterling's header…
I will ask Tony Parks if that was in the training session!
I like him more and more, looks like he knows when to be serious but also has a wicked sense of humour.
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Good performance, and the most organised Villa team I've seen in absolutely ages.
Liked the little N'Zogbia cameo at the end as well. His contract is finally up at the end of the season so we may get a few decent performances out of him in the meantime.
Onwards and upwards and all that...
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They're really hurt by this. It's so funny. Gestede has upset them. I remember when they were just as shit as we are. They've obviously forgot.
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They're really hurt by this. It's so funny. Gestede has upset them. I remember when they were just as shit as we are. They've obviously forgot.
they were shitter , a bucket load shitter
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Oh and I thought Hutton was our best player today.
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Oh and I thought Hutton was our best player today.
So did I.
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Just read a few pages of the blue moon. .If they were in our position I am sure they would have formed a mancs version of isis and now be executing people left right and centre.. The manager would be first to go by the looks of things.
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Oh and I thought Hutton was our best player today.
So did I.
He worked his balls off, his mistakes were more down to trying too hard rather than just being poor.
Been impressed with Hutton the last few games
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Oh and I thought Hutton was our best player today.
So did I.
Me too. Sanchez worked hard and looked good too
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They're really hurt by this. It's so funny. Gestede has upset them. I remember when they were just as shit as we are. They've obviously forgot.
They really are a bunch of arrogant bastards these days. Very bitter, telling us to enjoy the Championship and so on.
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Oh and I thought Hutton was our best player today.
Quite a few have been paid that compliment on here today. I think a decent case can be made for Richards, Clark, Hutton, Sanchez and Gil. On top of that all the others had their good moments and looked more enthused than of late.
Personally I'm buzzing, not least because me saying I wanted Remi as our new manager has been met with such incredulity by Villa fans and noses alike out in the real world. My assertion that we needed a manager to suit our players might make a bit more sense to them now.
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They're really hurt by this. It's so funny. Gestede has upset them. I remember when they were just as shit as we are. They've obviously forgot.
They really are a bunch of arrogant bastards these days. Very bitter, telling us to enjoy the Championship and so on.
All because they didn't win a game for only the 3rd time this season isn't it? And Joe Hart threw a tantrum because he couldn't control a ball. Why is it when you win a few things you suddenly become self important and think you are entitled to everything? Man City fans seem to be turning in to twats.
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They're really hurt by this. It's so funny. Gestede has upset them. I remember when they were just as shit as we are. They've obviously forgot.
They really are a bunch of arrogant bastards these days. Very bitter, telling us to enjoy the Championship and so on.
Best response is along the lines of "well you'd know having spent so long down there"
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Having found that pic on Blue Moon I read the first 10 pages or so of their post-match thread. It's very very funny.
http://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/threads/villa-vs-city-post-match-thread.317105/page-5
Page 5 last post is priceless. What would her have done after three years of Lambert and six months of Sherwood? You's see the explosion in Alpha Centauri with the naked eye....
I got to about page 25 when I gave up. It was very funny, but a couple of things struck me. I'm glad we moderate as we do as the amount of insults they were giving each other was ridiculous. And also just how many plastics they have now that think they have some divine right to success.
Some of that stuff is absolutely hilarious!
Scrape a draw at the home of the finest football club in the Universe and they're moaning!
Honestly, where were they when they were sh*t?
Fu*k the fu*kers!
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They used to be respected and admired by fans far and wide. Everybody sympathised that they had to share a city with the red filth. In a few short years they have turned into them.
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They're bitter as fuck on that Bluemoon. If we ever get good again I'd hope we retain our collective sarcastic dignity!
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Oh and I thought Hutton was our best player today.
Quite a few have been paid that compliment on here today. I think a decent case can be made for Richards, Clark, Hutton, Sanchez and Gil. On top of that all the others had their good moments and looked more enthused than of late.
Personally I'm buzzing, not least because me saying I wanted Remi as our new manager has been met with such incredulity by Villa fans and noses alike out in the real world. My assertion that we needed a manager to suit our players might make a bit more sense to them now.
The first game for a long time when I've been able to say that no Villa player had a bad game.
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Having found that pic on Blue Moon I read the first 10 pages or so of their post-match thread. It's very very funny.
http://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/threads/villa-vs-city-post-match-thread.317105/page-5
Page 5 last post is priceless. What would her have done after three years of Lambert and six months of Sherwood? You's see the explosion in Alpha Centauri with the naked eye....
I got to about page 25 when I gave up. It was very funny, but a couple of things struck me. I'm glad we moderate as we do as the amount of insults they were giving each other was ridiculous. And also just how many plastics they have now that think they have some divine right to success.
Honestly, where were they when they were sh*t?
Fu*k the fu*kers!
Blue Moon forum poster 'avoidconfusion' appears to be very confused: Fuck off Pelegrini you spineless, stubborn, clueless coward. If you didn't have such a great squad you'd be nowhere near 1st. Always feels like we win despite of his shit tactics and subs.
Toys thrown out of the pram, out of orbit, and have just passed Voyager II.
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According to the Manchester Evening News' website, Delph is quoted as saying that the support from the €iteh fans was so noisy he couldn't hear any hissing.
I guess it's a case of once a liar, always a liar...
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According to the Manchester Evening News' website, Delph is quoted as saying that the support from the €iteh fans was so noisy he couldn't hear any hissing.
I guess it's a case of once a liar, always a liar...
ssssside sssssplitting
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They used to be respected and admired by fans far and wide. Everybody sympathised that they had to share a city with the red filth. In a few short years they have turned into them.
I liked them when they were always shit, skint, and playing in a ground resembling a fly-tipped builder's skip.
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That Bluemoon forum is disgraceful. I'll take a lifetime of mediocrity if it means we don't end up sharing a fan base with twats like that.
Only saw the first 45. Really good stuff. The midfield trio worked extremely hard and found each other with ease. I had long suspected that Sanchez has plenty of quality on the ball; it was just a severe lack of options to pass to under Dim Tim's tactics that led to him being caught in possession so often.
Gil looked fantastic from what I saw. Sinclair didn't impress me much - I was hoping he'd bomb down the flank all match and get in behind Sagna plenty but he seems pretty low on confidence and decided to stand off Sagna. I'd prefer to see Grealish out on the left.
Impressive performance and a great point.
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Clark hit the nail on the head when asked what difference Remi has made since his arrival, he replied we were organised on the pitch and in training.
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Both sets of Manc fans appear to have the same twat gene. Just that the blue one has been hidden for much longer...
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City fans are a right bunch of self glorifying arseholes. It wasn't that long ago they were in the lower leagues, could always ask them what the championship is like.!? I'm sure it's not changed much from there days.
You'd think they would have a little bit more of a reality gene and keep in mind that all there 'glory' is from a lottery win
Back to the game. First 45 thought we were superb. Second half was always going to be backs to the wall in some regards after city's post half time bollocking.
Like what I hear and see from Garde already. Hope we push on from this now. A couple of additions in Jan and sure we can pull away.
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I do wonder what went through Sherwood's head that he'd never consider putting today's team out. It's very strange.
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I thought it was a superb team performance, great to see a team properly organised. The two centre backs were superb, thought the middle three were excellent, Vertout is lucky to get a game lol. My MOTM goes to Sanchez, he was so disciplined in his job and kept everything together. Where the feck was Richardson though, that Amavi is shit :-(
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Great performance. I think we'll struggle to score goals until we hopefully strengthen in January, but today we played our best players in our their best positions and we gave the best team in the country a very good game. It just shows what a cockweasel Sherwood was that a brand new manager could get a performance out of the players that was 50% better than anything we've seen this season so far.
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Because ez, he was a man more interested in asserting himself than doing the simple obvious thing. His ego would not allow him to do what others knew to be straightforward like playing your best players in their best positions.
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Garde did what I hoped regarding selection and achieved a massive improvement simply by applying common sense management. It just makes me all the more angry that we let a shyster piss away so many points with his idiocy and failure to grasp the basics. A good foundation stone but a long way to go.
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Gil is a belting player as well, if we can get Grealish up to speed we'll be in a great position.
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According to the Manchester Evening News' website, Delph is quoted as saying that the support from the €iteh fans was so noisy he couldn't hear any hissing.
I guess it's a case of once a liar, always a liar...
He is a f*cking spunk trumpet of the highest order.Enjoy your cameo appearance of 12 minutes , might be the longest time you spend on the pitch in a league game.F*cking snake.
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Also: there must be something in the tapwater at the Etihad because the whole Citeh squad are built like professional wrestlers. Even that cheating little twat Sterling looks more like a rugby league scrum half than a footballer. As for Yaya Toure, he's the largest man I have ever seen on the VP pitch.
Are you forgetting about Grant Holt?
John Carew remains the biggest man that I have ever seen stretch a shirt for the Villa. He is fucking huge! imagine him barrelling towards you, you would shit yourself!
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At last we have shown some spirit, organisation and application. We have stopped the rot. But it's still a long way back from here. It's a sobering thought that the measure of our shit-ness to date is reflected in the fact that it's taken us until the first weekend in November to take a point off a team not currently in the relegation zone.
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Bit before most of you but Nigel Sims was the biggest Villa player I have ever seen. Twenty stone at his biggest. Fatty Foukes the Chelsea goalie was even bigger according to my brother but I never saw him.
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Quite amusing listening to Richards and CLark in the post-match interview - they're really trying to be polite on questions about how Garde has changed things already at the club. The most telling comment came from Clark - he said "I think you could see it on the pitch, we were much more organised" (or words very similar to that).
Absolutely.... it was great. Maintaining a modicum of diplomacy whilst implying thank f*** that mouthy idiot has gone and now we have a boss who actually knows what he's doing.
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When I saw the line-up I was thrilled. No Gabby, No Lescott, No Westwood, No Richardson.
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I thought Gil was very good today.
It's amazing how much picking your best players and getting them playing to a system can improve you.
As Drummond said above, seeing those players not starting the match lifted my spirits from the off.
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Couple of things to add;
The Gestede incident, was above it & Hart was telling Rudy that he wanted it on his chest, Rudy was telling him he'd throw it out for goal kick....when Rudy threw it all Hart had to do was sidestep it....his lack of control caused the row & in no way did he have to throw it into his chest.
Pre-match warm up, what a pleasure to see them warming up as units, passing and moving with the coach urging more and more intensity...I was smiling before kick off & it kept going :-)
From resignation to hope without complacency in a week!
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I actually saw passing AND movement off the ball at times. It scared me.
That little spell in the first half when we kept the ball and they kept passing it to each other - I thought I had died and gone to heaven.
You could feel all the home crowd around you were feeling the same way and that moment everybody was thinking if they can do that, they might just stand a chance. The rest of the season might not be the nightmare we all fear.
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Both sets of Manc fans appear to have the same twat gene. Just that the blue one has been hidden for much longer...
They're effectively supporting global franchises that have the wealth to regularly hoover up the best players in the world. The fact that they carry the name of Manchester, play in the city and wear the colours of the previous authentic versions on their respective clubs, matters for little in the great scheme of things. The two clubs might as well tour the world and play their 19 "home" games in 19 foreign capitals. The owners need the loyal domestic fanbase to populate the stadiums but their eyes scan much further afield, forever looking for different and more lucrative revenue streams. They grow ever more rootless and character-less, drifting remorselessly away from the communities that gave them birth.
In this sense, I have some sympathy for the long-standing United and City fans who must wince at what their clubs have become. Hollow shells of their former selves, the two clubs gorge themselves on perma-success and ludicrous wealth, their essential character and identity melting away before the eyes of their fans.
If you supported footballing monstrosities like these then its very easy to lose all sense of proportion and self-awareness.
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we love you villa we do
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I think Pellegrini made a mistake bringing Delph on. It provoked a reaction from the fans and brought the crowd back into the game. It seemed to fire the team up for the last 15 mins as well.
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According to the Manchester Evening News' website, Delph is quoted as saying that the support from the €iteh fans was so noisy he couldn't hear any hissing.
I guess it's a case of once a liar, always a liar...
Snakes don't have ears do they? Or very small ones anyway.
I couldn't hear the hissing - over the boos, cries of wanker, one greedy bastard, death threats, etc.
Oh and "Villa till I die"
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I think Pellegrini made a mistake bringing Delph on. It provoked a reaction from the fans and brought the crowd back into the game. It seemed to fire the team up for the last 15 mins as well.
I believe he knew very well what the crowd reaction would be and thought it would make us go all out and lose our shape. Our players had been told in clear terms what was required of them, and they executed the instructions perfectly.
A most auspicious start for our new manager in extremely difficult circumstances.
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Elegantly put Dave. Even more painfully the hollow heart of club support is being filled world wide by couch potato targets for the beer and cars being sold by the television channel owners. The sport element is increasingly irrelevant.
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While we celebrate the way we played i think its easy to underestimate how important it was not losing and getting that point. To have played your hearts out and still to lose would have taken its toll on the players but now it will be in their mindset that they can match it with the best and get a result.
Amavi was playing to instructions in not crossing the ball of that i'm convinced, it will be different against weaker apponents, i stayed up to watch the game til 2.30am and for the first time in a very long time it was worth it.
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Oh and I thought Hutton was our best player today.
So did I.
Really? he lost sterling for the header and allowed De Bruyne to run past him for his chance. I thought he was woeful.
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Both sets of Manc fans appear to have the same twat gene. Just that the blue one has been hidden for much longer...
A Manc is a Manc is a Manc.
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I thought Gil was very good today.
It's amazing how much picking your best players and getting them playing to a system can improve you.
As Drummond said above, seeing those players not starting the match lifted my spirits from the off.
Indeed. It was nice to see to see the starting XI and think "Ooh!" instead of "WTF?"
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Both sets of Manc fans appear to have the same twat gene. Just that the blue one has been hidden for much longer...
They're effectively supporting global franchises that have the wealth to regularly hoover up the best players in the world. The fact that they carry the name of Manchester, play in the city and wear the colours of the previous authentic versions on their respective clubs, matters for little in the great scheme of things. The two clubs might as well tour the world and play their 19 "home" games in 19 foreign capitals. The owners need the loyal domestic fanbase to populate the stadiums but their eyes scan much further afield, forever looking for different and more lucrative revenue streams. They grow ever more rootless and character-less, drifting remorselessly away from the communities that gave them birth.
In this sense, I have some sympathy for the long-standing United and City fans who must wince at what their clubs have become. Hollow shells of their former selves, the two clubs gorge themselves on perma-success and ludicrous wealth, their essential character and identity melting away before the eyes of their fans.
If you supported footballing monstrosities like these then its very easy to lose all sense of proportion and self-awareness.
wow that's a deep analysis that gets right to the bone . Nice one mate. I'm not so eloquent I just hate gobby manc twat! ;)
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Oh and I thought Hutton was our best player today.
So did I.
Really? he lost sterling for the header and allowed De Bruyne to run past him for his chance. I thought he was woeful.
I think woeful is strong Peter. I did post earlier that both he and Richards have to stop their men running off them, particularly in the box. Twice today Richards stood with his hands in the air having allowed his man to get in behind him, remonstrating with Hutton, when he was equally at fault. It's very picky as I thought we defended far better as a team today, but, learn from this Villa. Personally, Guzan or Sanchez motm for me.
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I think Pellegrini made a mistake bringing Delph on. It provoked a reaction from the fans and brought the crowd back into the game. It seemed to fire the team up for the last 15 mins as well.
yep. Well fucking done Manuel we needed that
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When I woke up this morning and saw it was 0-0 I just assumed we hadn't kicked off yet. Great result and gives us something to build on.
Traore injured?
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Would have snapped your hand off for a point at the start of the game so absolutely delighted with a draw.
Clean sheet against the top of the league on the back of their outstanding performance in Seville midweek is not to be sniffed it and although we rode our luck a bit we have had nothing but bad luck for a few seasons now so about time that changed!
Looking forward to going in to work tomorrow and giving them Citeh fans a bit of stick! UTV
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Clark hit the nail on the head when asked what difference Remi has made since his arrival, he replied we were organised on the pitch and in training.
A damning incitement of Sherwood and Wilkins that its taken the arrival of new staff to bring a sense of organisation to the place.
Same can be said for Lambert as well.
The point we got today could be so crucial come the end of the season.
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tidy , we start with Liverpool getting fkd
benteke missed a sitter as well I think
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Sanchez was my man of the match. There is a corridor between Hutton and Richards at the moment that people just sneak into and get chances. It needs a door sticking on it but apart from that both were very good!
Clark was much more assured and aggressive like last season which was good to see. Hopefully he can keep that confidence up. Amavi apart from one moment of madness was great too.
I did think Veretout was superb in the last 15 when I expected him to be on his knees.
Gueye was quiet. Maybe the shock of other midfielders in there with him!
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Agree about Veretout he was managing to run past City players in the latter stages so there is no worries about his fitness he will be a top player for us. Hutton got caught out a couple of times when we lost the ball in attack but you can't fault his effort, still believe Richards is a natural right back
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God Jenas s a boresome gobshite ******. Wonder what Keown will say about us...
(http://www.living-links.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Mekoe_EDH1077.jpg)
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Sanchez was my man of the match. There is a corridor between Hutton and Richards at the moment that people just sneak into and get chances. It needs a door sticking on it but apart from that both were very good!
Clark was much more assured and aggressive like last season which was good to see. Hopefully he can keep that confidence up. Amavi apart from one moment of madness was great too.
I did think Veretout was superb in the last 15 when I expected him to be on his knees.
Gueye was quiet. Maybe the shock of other midfielders in there with him!
Both Hutton and Richards have bad defensive habits, ball watching and forward sneak past them and between them regularly.
Both are fine defending one on one or when forwards are in front of them.
Im not sure coaching is going to improve them too much, these are faults they have had for their entire careers.
Its a worrying combo on our right side
Sanchez and Clark were our best two I thought
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Clark looked much more assured today playing on his more natural left side. Looked completely out of place playing on the right of Lescott on Monday. Hutton was just very, very solid against a player in Sterling who has been in excellent form. That could have been a long afternoon but he used all of his experience to keep him relatively quiet. There is no way on earth Sherwood or Kmac would ever have picked that side today. And absolutely no chance of them getting to play that for 90 minutes. We'd have been smashed for sure. After the sides put out vs Southampton and Spurs today was a boost from the start and it continued to pleasantly surprise throughout the game.
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Totally shallow, watching MOTD2, what a gogeous accent.
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Jenas changed his tune the twat.
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Keown talking shite the tosser.
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Good assessment by both Jenas and Hunchback of Notre Dame and Jenas gets it right on the Gestede incident. Saying corner was legitimate.
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Jenas changed his tune the twat.
All he needed to add was "my mate Tim must've been shite after all"
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Jenas changed his tune the twat.
All he needed to add was "my mate Tim must've been shite after all"
Jenas is a fucking twat and his 'opinion' means absolutely nothing.
I said before, as soon as Remi shows his worth, all these 'experts' will be saying what a great appointment he was.
Wankers, the lot of them.
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City's three missed sitters in the second half all came from Hutton and Richards not picking up the City forward.
Hopefully the clean sheet today is the break we have needed to kick on.
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When I woke up this morning and saw it was 0-0 I just assumed we hadn't kicked off yet.
Ha ha excellent!
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I missed Jenas etc, what were they saying? (Not that anything they have to say should matter at all to anyone ever.)
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Keown praised Garde for producing a calm controlled passing team much like Arsene he said. He hilighted many passages of play where we kept possession but said we were in effective in the final third but that will come with confidence.
Jenas said he has never seen such a change in a team from last week to this week.
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There was an obvious logic to the team he picked and the subs made. The pundits will be scratching their heads that replacing a pie and mash Englishman with an exotic Frenchy would result in such sensible pragmatism. Be interesting to see how we shape up again a side that haven't cost 50 trillion quid.
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That's extremely funny. I imagine one of the things he will have noticed changing were SIX OF THE PLAYERS. And the manager. I wonder if there's a connection there somewhere.
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A few more performances with that sort of heart and desire and spirit and some of these pundits will be having to eat there words.
We took yet another kicking on Sunday Supplement this morning. "Gardes a terrible appointment", "they've got no chance of staying up'"; "The signings they made were terrible".
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That is just it, they are clearly not terrible are they. With a centre forward like Benteke (not him as he has gone) or even a Mitrovic or Rondon type that are big but still move and carry a threat, we will be a decent side.
I also looked at the cost of the city squad and thought it was frightening that in all of that they can't get a world class backup for Aguerro up top.
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Yep. Same at Man U where despite haven't spent an utter fortune they don't have a recognized striker and look really dull for the most part.
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Great performance through hard work and organisation,Carlos MOTM, big shout for Hutton's effort, yes we know he has a fair few issues defending, but give me 11 hearts like his and we would be fine.
Clark needs regular games, he gets better the longer run he has in the team, Ayew moved more today than Gabby has for the last two seasons, goals maybe a problem, but if you can defend properly one is often enough.
Right players being well drilled and trained in a way that works for the parts you have available to make the sum total effective, why oh why did Dim Tim find it so hard.
Maybe and I have to admit I found this hilarious as to Sherwoods mental capacity, on Bein over here, they have fucked about with the satellites required, so I only got Arabic coverage at the moment, Sherwood was pundit for the Arse, Yids game, now what happens is you get the Arabic guys obviously speaking Arabic and when they go to the English guy, who has had a translator in his ear telling him what they have been saying, he answers and you obviously hear English, I mean even Dwight Yorke and dopes like Andy Cole have had no problem dealing with this and they answer in their normal dulcet tones, No not Dim Tim, he was actually speaking slower than he normally does, a bit like when we go on holiday and we have all done it and are speaking to the dopey Spanish waiter, if I say it slower but louder he will understand me, that was Tim's input to the art of punditry last night, f...ing hilarious.
Also Delph not only is a snake but a deaf one if he could not hear the reception he got, I heard it all the way over here in Oman.
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I think Delph is to arrogant to think it was for him! Never trust a bloke who winks.
Sherwood abroad must be hilarious. Like an episode of little Britain all to himself. Twunt.
Re watched the chance for Gestede from the corner he was given by fart ... Better connection and it would have been in.
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A few more performances with that sort of heart and desire and spirit and some of these pundits will be having to eat there words.
We took yet another kicking on Sunday Supplement this morning. "Gardes a terrible appointment", "they've got no chance of staying up'"; "The signings they made were terrible".
The signings thing is because Sherwood started to use "they weren't my players" as an excuse. However you do have to look at Lescott and Gestade as definitely his and if it wasn't for Adebayour playing silly nuggets, we would have had him as well.
Last week the lazy Sherwood supporter said something amongst the lines of Villa let Benteke, Vlaar, Delph and Cleverley go. One was a free agent who is no where near fit, one on loan who decided to go elsewhere, one very good player where another team panic bought if or 32 mil and one who slithered out. Benteke was also a player that they were all moaning about a few seasons ago when he was in the team ahead of Bent.
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Well, well, what a surprise, a thinking manager who picks the correct starting 11 and, can make sensible substitutions. I for one am not at all surprised. The first thing Remi did was to watch the DVD's of this seasons matches so far so, no way was he going to pick the "old guard" that TS kept putting out as a poor excuse for a football team.
I may be well wide of the mark but my thoughts are that either TS was totally naive when it came to picking a team or, much more likely, he was just too arrogant to admit his selections were wrong and just wanted to prove the majority of us wrong.
Also, I never believed the crap about players like Veretout not being fit enough to play, just look at his performance yesterday. Have to agree with others that TS was a bit of a chancer and, doubt very much that he will ever be manager of a Premier league club again.
Sometimes, it would pay the manager to read sites like this because, normally, 30 odd thousand can't all be wrong when they suggest a starting 11 that would improve the situation.
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A few more performances with that sort of heart and desire and spirit and some of these pundits will be having to eat there words.
We took yet another kicking on Sunday Supplement this morning. "Gardes a terrible appointment", "they've got no chance of staying up'"; "The signings they made were terrible".
The signings thing is because Sherwood started to use "they weren't my players" as an excuse. However you do have to look at Lescott and Gestade as definitely his and if it wasn't for Adebayour playing silly nuggets, we would have had him as well.
Last week the lazy Sherwood supporter said something amongst the lines of Villa let Benteke, Vlaar, Delph and Cleverley go. One was a free agent who is no where near fit, one on loan who decided to go elsewhere, one very good player where another team panic bought if or 32 mil and one who slithered out. Benteke was also a player that they were all moaning about a few seasons ago when he was in the team ahead of Bent.
And Rodgers was saying he wasn't worth £32m, but when push came to shove they paid it and still got a bargain.
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I was particularly impressed with Veretout's quick feet. Still a lack if movement up front though but I think that'll come with more coaching.
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A few more performances with that sort of heart and desire and spirit and some of these pundits will be having to eat there words.
We took yet another kicking on Sunday Supplement this morning. "Gardes a terrible appointment", "they've got no chance of staying up'"; "The signings they made were terrible".
It staggers me how ill informed and dense a lot of the football writers are. They're going to look very stupid and even after one game that's apparent.
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It was pretty refreshing to see that the team had an obvious game plan and the subs were made to replace players in the same system rather than abandoning it for something totally different half way through, and then again toward the end. Some very good performances from individual players and a fantastic point.
Doesn't seem fair to speak of negatives but.....the fitness coach has a lot of work to do, a lot of players dropped off physically after the hour, Sterling was given far too much room when he drifted in off the wings. CNZ stretched them and offered fresh legs but he didnt do nearly enough to help the tiring Amarvi in the last 20 mins when Navas was murdering him.
Nice to get a bit of good luck for a change.
I think Pellegrini made a mistake bringing on Delph, it fired the crowd back up and he offered nothing anyway.
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I can understand to a degree lazy punditry from ex-pros but not from national football writers - Phil McNulty and Darren Lewis aside you're two of the greatest imbeciles ever to pick up a pen fro a national newspaper.
Game wise, rode our luck for sure but hugely encouraging and amazing what can happen when you pick your best team and work a bit on the training ground, Rocket science it ain't.
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I think that what was refreshing from my view point about yesterday was that there was a clear tactical approach within the game and when we needed to we changed our tactics. It was also clear that Gil was tiring and Garde made the right substitution. I was rather bemused at the time of Baccuna for Sinclair but clearly he was supporting Hutton rather than trying to win the game.
One swallow and all that ... and i know we rode our luck a little. The proof, in my view, will be in the next few games which represent a difficult away fixture in Everton and a "should win" home game against Watford.
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I didn't think we would get anything against City but I'm happy with a point.
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I was particularly impressed with Veretout's quick feet. Still a lack if movement up front though but I think that'll come with more coaching.
Me too. It wasn't something I'd noticed from him in previous appearances but there were a number of occasions yesterday that he retained possession under pressure from the opposition. Sanchez was more effective too with the workload more evenly distributed.
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A few more performances with that sort of heart and desire and spirit and some of these pundits will be having to eat there words.
We took yet another kicking on Sunday Supplement this morning. "Gardes a terrible appointment", "they've got no chance of staying up'"; "The signings they made were terrible".
The signings thing is because Sherwood started to use "they weren't my players" as an excuse. However you do have to look at Lescott and Gestade as definitely his and if it wasn't for Adebayour playing silly nuggets, we would have had him as well.
Last week the lazy Sherwood supporter said something amongst the lines of Villa let Benteke, Vlaar, Delph and Cleverley go. One was a free agent who is no where near fit, one on loan who decided to go elsewhere, one very good player where another team panic bought if or 32 mil and one who slithered out. Benteke was also a player that they were all moaning about a few seasons ago when he was in the team ahead of Bent.
We miss Benteke. Not the others.
Cleverley had a whole 4 good games - coinciding with near the end of the season.
Delph was good on his day but those days tending to be one in four or five. Nothing to suggest (Sherwood aside) the midfield that manifests itself this season will not be the equal of Cleverly/Delph/Westwood. Jeeps 2 internationals and one many suggest should be, no wonder England are bloody average.
Vlaar - remind me who he is playing for and how much better they are than Villa. He played on average half a season and was good in half those games.
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Good result, good shape, better all round...
Still a striker short for a relegation fight I reckon.
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Good result, good shape, better all round...
Still a striker short for a relegation fight I reckon.
but we do have a January transfer window coming up :)
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A few more performances with that sort of heart and desire and spirit and some of these pundits will be having to eat there words.
We took yet another kicking on Sunday Supplement this morning. "Gardes a terrible appointment", "they've got no chance of staying up'"; "The signings they made were terrible".
The signings thing is because Sherwood started to use "they weren't my players" as an excuse. However you do have to look at Lescott and Gestade as definitely his and if it wasn't for Adebayour playing silly nuggets, we would have had him as well.
Last week the lazy Sherwood supporter said something amongst the lines of Villa let Benteke, Vlaar, Delph and Cleverley go. One was a free agent who is no where near fit, one on loan who decided to go elsewhere, one very good player where another team panic bought if or 32 mil and one who slithered out. Benteke was also a player that they were all moaning about a few seasons ago when he was in the team ahead of Bent.
We miss Benteke. Not the others.
Cleverley had a whole 4 good games - coinciding with near the end of the season.
Delph was good on his day but those days tending to be one in four or five. Nothing to suggest (Sherwood aside) the midfield that manifests itself this season will not be the equal of Cleverly/Delph/Westwood. Jeeps 2 internationals and one many suggest should be, no wonder England are bloody average.
Vlaar - remind me who he is playing for and how much better they are than Villa. He played on average half a season and was good in half those games.
Let's not confuse the manner of Delph's departure with the player he was for us. He's a slippery backstabbing snake, who prior to that grew into being the best midfielder we've had in years.
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Delph was very good, but I think both Gana and Veretout can be better. They seem a lot less haphazard and chaotic, and much smoother on the ball.
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Delph did become a good player for us, but best midfielder we've had for years is like being the tallest man in Lilliput as his competition was the likes of Westwood, KEA etc.
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Delph was very good, but I think both Gana and Veretout can be better. They seem a lot less haphazard and chaotic, and much smoother on the ball.
I don't particularly feel the desire to get all pro-Delph, but I think he was somewhat better than merely a moderately-sized man in Lilliput!
I do think we miss him to be honest.
Could Gana / Veretout become better? Possibly (although Gana is older than Delph). Are they better today? Not by a long way, in my view at least.
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Both sets of Manc fans appear to have the same twat gene. Just that the blue one has been hidden for much longer...
They're effectively supporting global franchises that have the wealth to regularly hoover up the best players in the world. The fact that they carry the name of Manchester, play in the city and wear the colours of the previous authentic versions on their respective clubs, matters for little in the great scheme of things. The two clubs might as well tour the world and play their 19 "home" games in 19 foreign capitals. The owners need the loyal domestic fanbase to populate the stadiums but their eyes scan much further afield, forever looking for different and more lucrative revenue streams. They grow ever more rootless and character-less, drifting remorselessly away from the communities that gave them birth.
In this sense, I have some sympathy for the long-standing United and City fans who must wince at what their clubs have become. Hollow shells of their former selves, the two clubs gorge themselves on perma-success and ludicrous wealth, their essential character and identity melting away before the eyes of their fans.
If you supported footballing monstrosities like these then its very easy to lose all sense of proportion and self-awareness.
To be fair, I spoke to a City fan on the way into the ground & he was ok, he sympathised with where we were & obviously its not been that long ago that they were in the 3rd division, didn't they still get 30'000 attendances too, even at that level?
We would love to have the $ city have got, but our time will come again.
As for yesterday, we rode our luck a few times, but no one would deny us a point, the lads did us proud, good to see structure, organisation & fight amongst the players, Navas getting "Clarked" was great to see too.
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Delph worked hard and always wanted the ball, which made him look good. But according to his stats, he scored three league goals for us and made seven assists in a hundred or so appearances.
If that sort of contribution is absolutely vital to you, then you must be a shit team indeed.
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Delph was very good, but I think both Gana and Veretout can be better. They seem a lot less haphazard and chaotic, and much smoother on the ball.
I don't particularly feel the desire to get all pro-Delph, but I think he was somewhat better than merely a moderately-sized man in Lilliput!
I do think we miss him to be honest.
Could Gana / Veretout become better? Possibly (although Gana is older than Delph). Are they better today? Not by a long way, in my view at least.
I just don't see it. I see a player who's excellent at those slithering (!) runs through midfield but whose passing could let him down, who's a bit too rash to be all that good defensively, and who never contributed as many goals as he should have. He was and is way too good to play in a relegation team and his form was a huge factor in our staying up, but I really don't think he's better than Gana - just more adjusted to the pace of the league. City only signed him to fill up their quota of English players, remember - it wasn't because he was suddenly the must-have top level midfielder.
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As I said, he became a good player for us us, but who has been his competition as our best midfielder for years? KEA, Westwood, Bannan, Cleverely, Holmann, Ireland etc. That's why he was the tallest man in Lilliput, there was no competition.
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From what I saw of our corners there was a bit of variety there and they seemed to go to Villa players. How odd.
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From what I saw of our corners there was a bit of variety there and they seemed to go to Villa players. How odd.
Threw me completely!
Garde out!
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Thought Clark was very good, one tackle in the box on (I think) Navas was particularly brutally superb.
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We got about as much out of that game as we could have. A good team selection, good formation, an excellent game plan, a point and even NZogbia broke into a trot when he came on.
We are a lot closer to safety than just one point on comparison to the absolute dross that featured last Monday night. City played better than any other visiting team so far this season and went away with a lot less.
I think Alan Smith would rather lose a testicle than say something positive about Villa.
He's a villa fan
Supposedly, he's never said anything nice..makes sense I guess
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Main objectives were to stop the rot and to give the club and fans a lift - all achieved.
Shock horror - a proper coach comes in and picks the best side we have with the players available. Thought we held our shape well and played some decent possession football in the first half. The defence played very well and that includes Brad especially stopping Delph getting a winner at the end. The midfield was solid and it showed that Gana didn't have to run his bollocks off compensating for anyone else as has happened in the past. If Sherwood had picked that side v Swansea we would have won 3 pts imo.
Building from the back first and now two weeks to work on the offensive side of things. A good start but a long way to go.
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I didn't see Delph getting close to scoring, I don't think I would have been able to handle that.
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there's very little a new manager can do in 3 days, all this better organized stuff is probably not done on the training field in such a short time
what Garde did was pick the best line up, if Sherwood or even Mcdonald had picked that line up they would have got a better performance out of the team it was that simple really
why any manager in their right mind would pick Richardson over Amavi, Gabby over Gill, Lescott over Clark or Westwood over well anyone of the 3 midfielders yesterday and expect that team to perform well is the reason they aint here or picking any more
the only mistake he made yesterday was choosing Nzogbia over Grealish, i accept the physical thing but the footballing thing is that Grealish is a million times better footballer than Zog, the same as Amavi is better than Richardson
and on any given day Grealish is the one to do more damage and make things happen, not one decent cross per game Nzog
I hope we don't have to go through another 3 months of 'I think there's a player in there somewhere' before he realises there isn't and is best gone from the club
and for those who will say 'I thought nzog played well when he came on' Grealish would probably have done better and maybe won us the game
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Following on from your point John, it's worth remembering that French footballers are more tactically educated than British players tend to be, and from a young age. The same goes for Spanish players (and, actually, pretty much everyone apart from us). Therefore Garde would have saved himself a lot of work by picking the team, as they'd probably have been very used to the kind of tactics he asked of them, and wouldn't have needed much training to accustom themselves to them.
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From what I saw of our corners there was a bit of variety there and they seemed to go to Villa players. How odd.
Veretout has a good delivery on him, although I'm not quite sure what the little shuffle before he takes them is all about.
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I thought CNZ offered none of the much needed protection to Amavi, however, as the only alternative was Richardson, I cant blame Garde for not picking him after Monday when he was abject.
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I didn't see Delph getting close to scoring, I don't think I would have been able to handle that.
I was waiting for the sickener when that shot he had in extra time went just wide of the post. I was right in line with it and thought it was going in - fortunately it slithered wide
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there's very little a new manager can do in 3 days, all this better organized stuff is probably not done on the training field in such a short time
what Garde did was pick the best line up, if Sherwood or even Mcdonald had picked that line up they would have got a better performance out of the team it was that simple really
why any manager in their right mind would pick Richardson over Amavi, Gabby over Gill, Lescott over Clark or Westwood over well anyone of the 3 midfielders yesterday and expect that team to perform well is the reason they aint here or picking any more
the only mistake he made yesterday was choosing Nzogbia over Grealish, i accept the physical thing but the footballing thing is that Grealish is a million times better footballer than Zog, the same as Amavi is better than Richardson
and on any given day Grealish is the one to do more damage and make things happen, not one decent cross per game Nzog
I hope we don't have to go through another 3 months of 'I think there's a player in there somewhere' before he realises there isn't and is best gone from the club
and for those who will say 'I thought nzog played well when he came on' Grealish would probably have done better and maybe won us the game
The performance I'm sure would have been better than the one from the team they selected, but I doubt the organisation would have been as good as what Garde delivered or that the substitutions would have been as effective as Garde's, given what we have seen previously particularly by Sherwood.
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I didn't see Delph getting close to scoring, I don't think I would have been able to handle that.
I was waiting for the sickener when that shot he had in extra time went just wide of the post. I was right in line with it and thought it was going in - fortunately it slithered wide
very nicely put ;D
On the match thread I did post "Delph to come on and get the Winner"?
Something we were all nervously thinking.
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there's very little a new manager can do in 3 days, all this better organized stuff is probably not done on the training field in such a short time
what Garde did was pick the best line up, if Sherwood or even Mcdonald had picked that line up they would have got a better performance out of the team it was that simple really
why any manager in their right mind would pick Richardson over Amavi, Gabby over Gill, Lescott over Clark or Westwood over well anyone of the 3 midfielders yesterday and expect that team to perform well is the reason they aint here or picking any more
the only mistake he made yesterday was choosing Nzogbia over Grealish, i accept the physical thing but the footballing thing is that Grealish is a million times better footballer than Zog, the same as Amavi is better than Richardson
and on any given day Grealish is the one to do more damage and make things happen, not one decent cross per game Nzog
I hope we don't have to go through another 3 months of 'I think there's a player in there somewhere' before he realises there isn't and is best gone from the club
and for those who will say 'I thought nzog played well when he came on' Grealish would probably have done better and maybe won us the game
The performance I'm sure would have been better than the one from the team they selected, but I doubt the organisation would have been as good as what Garde delivered or that the substitutions would have been as effective as Garde's, given what we have seen previously particularly by Sherwood.
I agree. MOTD2 (who were suprisingly upbeat and complimentary about us) had a bit of analysis focussing on the 1-2 passing and it looked good. If I recall there was a spell in the first half about half way through where we pinged it about for what felt like 5 mins 1-2 passing and keeping posession ticking over and moving forward. That has to have been coached this week, there is no way Sherwood would have got them playing like that.
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I agree. I thought the first half we noticed a number of midfielders happy to take the ball under pressure and turn, pass or play and then running for space delivering options for our team and pressure on theirs. This started to ebb away in the second half which was to be expected, fitness levels and playing a different game must take its toll, certainly against such opposition. I though De Bruyne was very very impressive and while Sterlings final balls were questionable right through, his running into space was excellent, so to stop them (of a fashion) was impressive. I don't think we were battered 0-0 unlike some of the news outlets, and certainly not for 70 mins of the 90
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I don't think we were battered 0-0 unlike some of the news outlets, and certainly not for 70 mins of the 90
They probably need to put it like that to maintain their "Garde is a terrible appointment" narrative.
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Sitting in L7,was sad to see people getting chucked out after 4 mins for ,I believe persistent standing.It seems the stewards have been over zealous with the Brigada lot.Im not a member and sit about 12 rows back,but would love to know the score.
1 member was ejected after just 4 minutes for standing, despite the fact they actually sat down when requested, another 12 people were thrown out during the first half, also for standing. They were all issued with letters informing them they're banned for the next 3 home games. I don't think this happened anywhere apart from the L7/L9 area of the ground and the fact that there were about a dozen stewards and the same number of police waiting for us on arrival and the letters had been pre-printed suggests this was always going to happen regardless. I think everyone who was ejected also had their details taken under section 50 and were filmed by police.
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I've got mixed feelings about Brigada. But banning vociferous fans for the next 3 home games, perhaps some of our most important home games for may years, is nothing short of moronic.
The club clearly have an agenda to make you sit down and do whatever it takes to enforce it. I think the wise choice would be to accept this for the time being and just get behind the team as best as you can - keeping your standing to intermittent periods for the odd song etc. There's no point fighting a battle you can't win.
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Sitting in L7,was sad to see people getting chucked out after 4 mins for ,I believe persistent standing.It seems the stewards have been over zealous with the Brigada lot.Im not a member and sit about 12 rows back,but would love to know the score.
1 member was ejected after just 4 minutes for standing, despite the fact they actually sat down when requested, another 12 people were thrown out during the first half, also for standing. They were all issued with letters informing them they're banned for the next 3 home games. I don't think this happened anywhere apart from the L7/L9 area of the ground and the fact that there were about a dozen stewards and the same number of police waiting for us on arrival and the letters had been pre-printed suggests this was always going to happen regardless. I think everyone who was ejected also had their details taken under section 50 and were filmed by police.
Are you able to put a copy of the letter up on here?
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Sitting in L7,was sad to see people getting chucked out after 4 mins for ,I believe persistent standing.It seems the stewards have been over zealous with the Brigada lot.Im not a member and sit about 12 rows back,but would love to know the score.
1 member was ejected after just 4 minutes for standing, despite the fact they actually sat down when requested, another 12 people were thrown out during the first half, also for standing. They were all issued with letters informing them they're banned for the next 3 home games. I don't think this happened anywhere apart from the L7/L9 area of the ground and the fact that there were about a dozen stewards and the same number of police waiting for us on arrival and the letters had been pre-printed suggests this was always going to happen regardless. I think everyone who was ejected also had their details taken under section 50 and were filmed by police.
There was a large fella in a light coloured, short sleeve buttoned shirt. I couldn't quite work out if was trying to get you all to sit down or was having a go at the steward for asking you to sit down. The stewards did seem to have decided that yesterday was the day you would either sit down or get out.
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Good result, good shape, better all round...
Still a striker short for a relegation fight I reckon.
but we do have a January transfer window coming up :)
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True, let's use it - even if it's a decent loanee.
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I don't think we were battered 0-0 unlike some of the news outlets, and certainly not for 70 mins of the 90
They probably need to put it like that to maintain their "Garde is a terrible appointment" narrative.
After the game Vincent Kompany said we were the better team in the first half, but they were more dangerous.
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I agree. I thought the first half we noticed a number of midfielders happy to take the ball under pressure and turn, pass or play and then running for space delivering options for our team and pressure on theirs. This started to ebb away in the second half which was to be expected, fitness levels and playing a different game must take its toll, certainly against such opposition. I though De Bruyne was very very impressive and while Sterlings final balls were questionable right through, his running into space was excellent, so to stop them (of a fashion) was impressive. I don't think we were battered 0-0 unlike some of the news outlets, and certainly not for 70 mins of the 90
These would be the game people who, in the main, predicted Chelsea would win the premier league and who now want to tell us why it's going wrong.
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One specific I did notice was when the City defenders had the ball Ayew specifically did not press them, he dropped off onto the holding midfielder.
It meant they either played it wide, or across the defence, which we were happy with, but they couldn't play through the middle. If they tried, because it was the less skillful centre half playing it we were more likely to intercept and break.
It looked to me the kind of simple instruction that can pay huge dividends, the kind of attention to detail that we haven't had, well ever.
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I could wax lyrical about all sorts of tactics from yesterday but I liked seeing two in particular.
Whilst we intend to press the ball, we won't be doing it in your half was the first. There was a clear plan to let them do as they wished in their own half. The minute they touched the halfway libe though, we pressed every ball.
The second thing was some game management. I don't know how many times in recent years I have been left tearing my hair out as we throw away points because we don't try the fine line of cheating/time wasting.
It is the only the start but what I expected of Garde. Organised. Streetwise. A thought out formation. A defensive pattern where each player knew their job. The obvious, balanced midfield 3 we have been crying out for. And that in less than a week.
By God I have been waiting a long time to see a tactically astute man (with proper subs at proper times no less) drag us kicking and screaming into a modern football club.
By way of sharing a cheerful exchange I had post match, I had a minor ding dong after the Stoke game with a good friend of mine who posts on here. They were still hoping Sherwood could turn it around, I wanted him hung from the faux gas lamp outside The Bartons!
They still feel disappointed that Tim couldn't get over himself enough to make the changes we saw yesterday. I was delighted to see the back of him. We both agreed though that the starting line up and subs worked, were very sensible and Tim likely would not have done the same.
Onwards and Upwards. I reckon we will give Everton a game.
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Sitting in L7,was sad to see people getting chucked out after 4 mins for ,I believe persistent standing.It seems the stewards have been over zealous with the Brigada lot.Im not a member and sit about 12 rows back,but would love to know the score.
1 member was ejected after just 4 minutes for standing, despite the fact they actually sat down when requested, another 12 people were thrown out during the first half, also for standing. They were all issued with letters informing them they're banned for the next 3 home games. I don't think this happened anywhere apart from the L7/L9 area of the ground and the fact that there were about a dozen stewards and the same number of police waiting for us on arrival and the letters had been pre-printed suggests this was always going to happen regardless. I think everyone who was ejected also had their details taken under section 50 and were filmed by police.
This just seems crazy and massively over the top to me. Whatever anyone may think of The Brigada lot they have nothing but the full and vocal support of our team at heart. I believe that they've moved this season so that they obstruct fewer fans' view of the pitch, so are clearly making some kind of effort to respond to complaints. The persistent standers at Palace seem to do so with the blessing of their club. Why can't we embrace it in the same way? We all know about the legal stuff yet see it flouted at every ground, every week.
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Sitting in L7,was sad to see people getting chucked out after 4 mins for ,I believe persistent standing.It seems the stewards have been over zealous with the Brigada lot.Im not a member and sit about 12 rows back,but would love to know the score.
1 member was ejected after just 4 minutes for standing, despite the fact they actually sat down when requested, another 12 people were thrown out during the first half, also for standing. They were all issued with letters informing them they're banned for the next 3 home games. I don't think this happened anywhere apart from the L7/L9 area of the ground and the fact that there were about a dozen stewards and the same number of police waiting for us on arrival and the letters had been pre-printed suggests this was always going to happen regardless. I think everyone who was ejected also had their details taken under section 50 and were filmed by police.
This just seems crazy and massively over the top to me. Whatever anyone may think of The Brigada lot they have nothing but the full and vocal support of our team at heart. I believe that they've moved this season so that they obstruct fewer fans' view of the pitch, so are clearly making some kind of effort to respond to complaints. The persistent standers at Palace seem to do so with the blessing of their club. Why can't we embrace it in the same way? We all know about the legal stuff yet see it flouted at every ground, every week.
Quite the opposite in terms of where they sit. Their relationship with the club broke down (very likely with fault on both sides) but moving to the front few rows of L7 was daft on their behalf.
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I didn't see Delph getting close to scoring, I don't think I would have been able to handle that.
I was waiting for the sickener when that shot he had in extra time went just wide of the post. I was right in line with it and thought it was going in - fortunately it slithered wide
Guzan seemed to have a delayed reaction for it, maybe Hutton was blocking his view but there is no way a shot of that pace should be rolling in the corner
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I for the life of me cannot remember how long it's been that I seen a villa team play with the confidence we had on Sunday.
10/10 remi from me
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Sitting in L7,was sad to see people getting chucked out after 4 mins for ,I believe persistent standing.It seems the stewards have been over zealous with the Brigada lot.Im not a member and sit about 12 rows back,but would love to know the score.
1 member was ejected after just 4 minutes for standing, despite the fact they actually sat down when requested, another 12 people were thrown out during the first half, also for standing. They were all issued with letters informing them they're banned for the next 3 home games. I don't think this happened anywhere apart from the L7/L9 area of the ground and the fact that there were about a dozen stewards and the same number of police waiting for us on arrival and the letters had been pre-printed suggests this was always going to happen regardless. I think everyone who was ejected also had their details taken under section 50 and were filmed by police.
This just seems crazy and massively over the top to me. Whatever anyone may think of The Brigada lot they have nothing but the full and vocal support of our team at heart. I believe that they've moved this season so that they obstruct fewer fans' view of the pitch, so are clearly making some kind of effort to respond to complaints. The persistent standers at Palace seem to do so with the blessing of their club. Why can't we embrace it in the same way? We all know about the legal stuff yet see it flouted at every ground, every week.
Quite the opposite in terms of where they sit. Their relationship with the club broke down (very likely with fault on both sides) but moving to the front few rows of L7 was daft on their behalf.
Going by the video Legion put up, fair enough if the row in front had been stood up, but they wasn't. Haven't got to much sympathy in all honesty.
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Sitting in L7,was sad to see people getting chucked out after 4 mins for ,I believe persistent standing.It seems the stewards have been over zealous with the Brigada lot.Im not a member and sit about 12 rows back,but would love to know the score.
1 member was ejected after just 4 minutes for standing, despite the fact they actually sat down when requested, another 12 people were thrown out during the first half, also for standing. They were all issued with letters informing them they're banned for the next 3 home games. I don't think this happened anywhere apart from the L7/L9 area of the ground and the fact that there were about a dozen stewards and the same number of police waiting for us on arrival and the letters had been pre-printed suggests this was always going to happen regardless. I think everyone who was ejected also had their details taken under section 50 and were filmed by police.
This just seems crazy and massively over the top to me. Whatever anyone may think of The Brigada lot they have nothing but the full and vocal support of our team at heart. I believe that they've moved this season so that they obstruct fewer fans' view of the pitch, so are clearly making some kind of effort to respond to complaints. The persistent standers at Palace seem to do so with the blessing of their club. Why can't we embrace it in the same way? We all know about the legal stuff yet see it flouted at every ground, every week.
Quite the opposite in terms of where they sit. Their relationship with the club broke down (very likely with fault on both sides) but moving to the front few rows of L7 was daft on their behalf.
Genuinely no idea of how it affects those around them chelts...can't tell from where I sit/stand. I naively accept that they are doing their best to support the team...at what cost to others around them I honestly have no idea.
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Look, the impression I get is there is wrong on both sides. They are now both so entrenched they need an impartial referee. The Trust have offered to play the bald Italian fella!
Let us hope we can get everyone round a table imminently and sort it out. We can't condone persistent standing or crapping on ground regulations. Nor can we back the club trying their best to screw Brigada as they are pissed off with them.
As always, the tightrope we walk on brokering deals with the club.
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This is the block the club set aside last season as the singing section.
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It would be good to see it resolved amicably...and good luck to all involved if it gets to some kind of discussion/meeting.
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Just my humble opinion but, the same as I have to put up with the no smoking policy so, should the people that stand up. Let me give you one example. I paid something like £120 for my FA Cup Final ticket only for the whole section in front of me deciding they would stand up through out the whole match. I was really pissed off as my view was restricted for the whole of the match. Stewards did diddly squat about it and, the few that did ask for the people that were standing in front of them to sit down were met with vitriol and abuse. This is sadly what happens when you let a group of people take the law into their own hands. Bet if I'd have lit up a fag, I would have been kicked out of there within 5 seconds.
Until the law is changed and allows standing in certain areas people should just go along with it
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Just my humble opinion but, the same as I have to put up with the no smoking policy so, should the people that stand up. Let me give you one example. I paid something like £120 for my FA Cup Final ticket only for the whole section in front of me deciding they would stand up through out the whole match. I was really pissed off as my view was restricted for the whole of the match. Stewards did diddly squat about it and, the few that did ask for the people that were standing in front of them to sit down were met with vitriol and abuse. This is sadly what happens when you let a group of people take the law into their own hands. Bet if I'd have lit up a fag, I would have been kicked out of there within 5 seconds.
Until the law is changed and allows standing in certain areas people should just go along with it
So what you're saying is people standing up blocked you from seeing the cup final? Does that mean you're in favour of it? (winky thingy)
More seriously I agree with the sentiment, Brigada can't win in this by refusing to sit and pissing the club off, they need to work with them a lot more by pushing the safe standing thing, there's absolutely no good reason not to bring safe standing areas in (in my opinion anyone who thinks there is hasn't done any research into it and is talking about old style terraces) but if clubs are having trouble making their fans follow the rules as they are now it weakens the position in trying to get this off the ground. Has anyone discussed this with the club since Faulkner left, has anything moved forward and are Brigada putting in any effort to support it? Lots of questions I know but they're things that they really need to answer and then they need to get in touch with people like Amfy and try to build some bridges.
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I noticed that our local neighbourhood Brigada were busy steward bating and being ejected during the early stages of the first half
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The club can't implement a safe standing section without a national policy change. The Hilsborough case being heard has led to a respectful step back. Once that is finished, I think we can expect some national momentum to pick up again.
With regard to Brigada - I have said before that they need to 'give' a little and sit when asked, but I have noticed in the last few games that they have been doing this but it is not helping. They are clearly being targeted and stewards moving in on them within second of them standing up, and actively working on keeping them seated throughout, which is actually way beyond what is legally required.
The argument from the club everywhere Brigada have tried to set up has been around them pissing off 'existing season ticket holders' who want to sit. From where I am about 15 rows behind Brigada's current position, I can see that this is a genuine issue. However, when the club wanted to extend the corporate area in the centre of The Trinity Road Stand, they seemed to have far less regard for existing season ticket holders, and got them all to shift.
The will needs to be there. I would say that the club should find an area (possibly the back of L8 where Brigada were before, or the little triangle between the Holte & Trinity where the safe standing trial was proposed), get some good legal advice on how to compose a letter suggesting to existing season ticket holders that if they don't want to stand, they can be incentivised to move. Then get on with it. The club really doesn't need to be draining the last bit of life from Villa Park right now.
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Just to clear a couple of things up. Brigada have been in discussions with the club and have been told that they can only stand when they see others standing in the Holte End, so the group are supposed to wait for others to stand before doing so. On Sunday for the start of the game at least the whole Holte looked like it was standing. The group stood up and got behind the team. The stewards then informed the group to sit, which they did for around 30 seconds, then Villa attacked so they stood again. This is when the stewards started kicking people out on threat of arrest.
The reason we left L8 is because the area was too small for others to join us, this was compounded by the club blocking 20-30 seats from sale every game, meaning that others could not buy season tickets in the area. We moved to L7 because there was a group of around 50 seats which meant others from North stand and upper holte could join us. We could've moved to other areas of the lower holte but wanted to remain part of the "singin section" that was established last Spring. It was agreed with the club that there would be a more laid back approach from stewards in this area to help create an atmosphere, that's why we were under the impression that standing would be tolerated as is the case in L8, K4 and R1. We let the club know of our desire to move to L7. However the "singing section" wasn't publicised as well as it could of been and I think this could've really helped because people would know what to expect.
The only option the club have given us is to relocate to the back of the upper Holte end and cough up £40 each for the privelege. Obviously this isn't conducive to putting on the kind of displays we've been doing over the last 4 years so we've rejected it. We're open to suggestions on how to resolve this but we're not about to drop the last 4 years of effort to be shunted to somewhere we can't do what we were formed to do.
The standing issue is a tricky one for the club, they can't be seen to condone it, however other clubs like Palace, Man City, Watford, Middlesborough and Cardiff have all managed to come to arrangements with their fans who want to stand and I think this is something Villa could do if the will was there.
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Just to clear a couple of things up. Brigada have been in discussions with the club and have been told that they can only stand when they see others standing in the Holte End, so the group are supposed to wait for others to stand before doing so.
I don't particularly have any dog in this fight, but that sounds like a pretty half-arsed solution for them to have come up with.
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Just to clear a couple of things up. Brigada have been in discussions with the club and have been told that they can only stand when they see others standing in the Holte End, so the group are supposed to wait for others to stand before doing so. On Sunday for the start of the game at least the whole Holte looked like it was standing. The group stood up and got behind the team. The stewards then informed the group to sit, which they did for around 30 seconds, then Villa attacked so they stood again. This is when the stewards started kicking people out on threat of arrest.
The reason we left L8 is because the area was too small for others to join us, this was compounded by the club blocking 20-30 seats from sale every game, meaning that others could not buy season tickets in the area. We moved to L7 because there was a group of around 50 seats which meant others from North stand and upper holte could join us. We could've moved to other areas of the lower holte but wanted to remain part of the "singin section" that was established last Spring. It was agreed with the club that there would be a more laid back approach from stewards in this area to help create an atmosphere, that's why we were under the impression that standing would be tolerated as is the case in L8, K4 and R1. We let the club know of our desire to move to L7. However the "singing section" wasn't publicised as well as it could of been and I think this could've really helped because people would know what to expect.
The only option the club have given us is to relocate to the back of the upper Holte end and cough up £40 each for the privelege. Obviously this isn't conducive to putting on the kind of displays we've been doing over the last 4 years so we've rejected it. We're open to suggestions on how to resolve this but we're not about to drop the last 4 years of effort to be shunted to somewhere we can't do what we were formed to do.
The standing issue is a tricky one for the club, they can't be seen to condone it, however other clubs like Palace, Man City, Watford, Middlesborough and Cardiff have all managed to come to arrangements with their fans who want to stand and I think this is something Villa could do if the will was there.
Out of interest, what row were you on and were you the chap who rang up Paul Franks about it earlier?
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not having a go at all, I really want this to work out for you because I think the section can have the effect of pulling up the spirits of the rest of the crowd when things aren't going so well and right now we need that big time. That's why I really want you to work with the club as much as possible on this. Sunday looks heavy-handed but without context it's hard to know how it got to that point that's why I'm asking what has happened until now. I don't have a solution to offer but I think you'll have a much better chance of finding one if you make it very clear to the club all along that you wanty to work with them and find a way to do what you do that doesn't upset other fans or get the club in trouble over the ground regulations. If you can get someone with a good reputation with the club onside and show that you're trying to do the right thing it will help.
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Just to clear a couple of things up. Brigada have been in discussions with the club and have been told that they can only stand when they see others standing in the Holte End, so the group are supposed to wait for others to stand before doing so.
I don't particularly have any dog in this fight, but that sounds like a pretty half-arsed solution for them to have come up with.
Yeah. I really do not like people standing up in front of me but I have no idea how anyone is meant to interpret the "its ok if you see other people doing it" rule. I mean thats just nuts.
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The stewards and police continued to move in for Brigada yesterday when loads of non- Brigaga fans were standing in that area. From where I am nearby in The Holte at the moment, I cannot see the club keeping their part of the deal.
Although I have campaigned for safe standing, I have tried to remain balanced on the issue and always consider the law/regulations and how we have to work with them, but sitting is being over enforced on this particular group of fans. Others were standing and not being talked to. On top of this is appears that they has been told that others standing was an unofficial go ahead to stand, and yet in the event, it wasn't.
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I've been going in the North Stand Lower for a few years now and can't honestly remember the last time I didn't stand throughout the game (not by choice, just that everyone else around stands as well). I haven't seen any stewards in there warning people, let alone throwing anyone out.
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I've been going in the North Stand Lower for a few years now and can't honestly remember the last time I didn't stand throughout the game (not by choice, just that everyone else around stands as well). I haven't seen any stewards in there warning people, let alone throwing anyone out.
My son and I have been season ticket holders in the lower North for a few years now and as a Holte Ender for many years I have no problems with people standing. I used to worry about my son seeing the game but as he is now taller than me it isn't a problem. There has however been a period in the last twelve months when I was struggling to stand up for any length of time and struggled to stand up/sit down so I do have sympathy with people who have problems like that.
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I don't think we were battered 0-0 unlike some of the news outlets, and certainly not for 70 mins of the 90
They probably need to put it like that to maintain their "Garde is a terrible appointment" narrative.
After the game Vincent Kompany said we were the better team in the first half, but they were more dangerous.
That sounds pretty fair. We played some good football but City created the more dangerous chances.