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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Dave on November 02, 2015, 09:53:15 PM
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80 minutes of rubbish, 10 minutes of frantic adequacy.
Ayew and Gil should be in the side. Kevin MacDonald should probably be facing some sort of internal disciplinary action.
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Shit for 80 minutes then we actually tried.
Gil and Ayew simply have to start the next game.
Sorry, didn't see other thread, lock.
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KMAC bottled it
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Football oblivion, here we come. Anyone fancy getting relegated and never coming back?
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Gave it a go in the end but alas not good enough. Why Gil didn't start I do not know.
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Piss poor for the most part until Gil come on.
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A grindhouse of devil shit.
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Yep 80 minutes of utter shite, 10 minutes of ok, I cant bring myself to get worked up by it, our season starts now.
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Well at least Garde now knows the extent of the work he's taken on.
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That initial team selection was so disappointing, we could have got something out of that game. Hopefully Remi shakes it up.
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I genuinely think this is an entirely unstoppable juggernaut heading off a relegation cliff.
It all absolutely reeks of 1986-7.
At most a ten minute spell of near-adequacy, and that's yer lot.
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Richardson and Sinclair shouldn't be anywhere near that team
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Dire nonsense, most of that.
If Grealish is going to be off the boil, Gil absolutely has to play. He made an impact simply by just coming on and being willing to link up play.
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Awful just fucking awful.
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At least we showed some fight and spirit. Shows that there are some players at the club. If only KMac hadn't thrown the first half with that woeful line-up.
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It went wrong from the manager deciding to wave the white flag before the game started. He never sent this team out with any belief, and really could not have selected a more inept starting XI. We got what we deserved.
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The worst start to a league season in our history. Well done K-Mac you got yourself a record.
I am sick to death of this I really hope Garde is up to this because we looked doomed.
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However, I cant help but think that starting the game with our best players on the pitch rather than on the bench might make things easier.
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The usual defeat, principally because we put out the worst starting 11 I've ever seen. That's two starts and two goals from Ayew, give him a chance Remi and while you're at it bin off Richardson, Gabby, Westwood and Lescott. I'd get rid of Guzan too but we don't really have any choice.
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It went wrong from the manager deciding to wave the white flag before the game started. He never sent this team out with any belief, and really could not have selected a more inept starting XI. We got what we deserved.
KMac needs sacking after that.
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Too little too late. Another awful performance. Another defeat.
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Fair assessment.
Gil I thought changed us totally by getting on the ball and using it.
Sanchez is clearly a good holding midfielder. He and Gana are easily good enough as a 2 with Vertout in front of them.
Lescott nor Clark are good enough. Richards is a bit batshit but he is much better than both, and Okore is streets better.
Ayew was excellent. Worked, harried, pressed, scored, tried, created.
Bacuna did ok second half in fairness.
And if they all cared as much as Hutton we would be ok.
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That team tonight couldn't compete in the Championship.
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Remi had that ' what the fuck can I do with this pile of shite' look
Worst start to a season in the 120 odd year history of the club.
We're making history!!!
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Could've been a lot worse. Further emphasising the need to get rid of the mediocre Engerlanders and give some of our talented foreign-types a go.
I really hope Garde doesn't look at McDonald's notes for the Man City game. They just say "Drop Ayew".
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I dont want to see Gabby in a villa shirt again please
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I think Gil will start next week, we only looked threatening after he came on, should have kpt Grealish on though and moved him to the left (were he seems much better) and taken Sinclair off, Gil and Grealish have a good understanding. Ayew did ok again, Hutton showed commitment, Sanchex broke up play well but distributed it poorly, the rest were shite.
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Write off the Citeh game. Then, Monsieur Remi, the hard work really starts. Bon chance. You're going to need it.
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I hope we've been scouting some half decent fucking goalkeepers too, because I look at Guzan these days and I see Scott Carson looking back at me.
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Spurs fans and Remix must have been watching in complete bemusement as to how Gabby started and Gil didn't. I hope I never see him, Gestede or Richardson ever again. Seismically shit.
Edit: I meant Remi, but remix is good.
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Dire nonsense, most of that.
If Grealish is going to be off the boil, Gil absolutely has to play. He made an impact simply by just coming on and being willing to link up play.
I would give Jack a rest for a few games and let Gil start, he's not been great all season.
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Take the team that finished and throw in Gana Traore Richards Amavi Veretout and there's still some hope
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Worst start ever in our 127 years of league football.
At least Garde will now know Gil is class.
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Fair assessment.
Gil I thought changed us totally by getting on the ball and using it.
Sanchez is clearly a good holding midfielder. He and Gana are easily good enough as a 2 with Vertout in front of them.
Lescott nor Clark are good enough. Richards is a bit batshit but he is much better than both, and Okore is streets better.
Ayew was excellent. Worked, harried, pressed, scored, tried, created.
Bacuna did ok second half in fairness.
And if they all cared as much as Hutton we would be ok.
I think Sinclair was not too shabby. I wouldn't necessarily write off Clark but he'd be second choice behind Richards and Okore if I had my way.
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Better second half. Ayew should start over Agbonlahor any day. And Gil should start as well. Hutton did well.
But 10 minutes is not good enough. Worst start in the ENTIRE history of our club they said...
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Boys boys all our ineptitude is down to absolutely crap managers. It was there for all to see tonight. Honestly don't think it will take much for Remi to turn them into a team but it will be team where we never see Gabby, Westie, or Richarsson again
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I thought I couldn't get much more depressed about our club. I was wrong. Fucking hell.
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At least Garde knows Gil should start above Grealish. He also must be wondering why the international footballer Sanchez is totally done on 75 mins. He will probably also be wondering why Gabby is anywhere near the team sheet amongst several other things.
We still look better that 4 other teams in the league. He somehow has to I still some belief into them.
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There are no words to describe how shit we have become - 10 minutes of effort after 80 minutes of utter rubbish
KMac is an absolute embarrassment and should hang his head in shame at that team selection
Good luck to Remi Garde; he has has an absolutely massive job on his hands and starting at home to Man Citeh makes me feel rather unwell...
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For that shambles I genuinely think Macdonald should get bounced out of the club receive the scorn of villa fans until the end of his days.
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Gil, Ayew, Amavi, Gana and Veretout should start and then we might be in with a shout. Add Adama to the bench and there's actually quality there rather than the dross we started with.
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We drew the second half. I'm clutching at straws but Remi might be thinking he's got something to work with. Jordan Ayew and Carlos Gil for starters.
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Please someone ring 5Live that isn't a surrender-fuck telling ''Chappers'' we're down. Fuck sake...
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How does Gil not start ?
How have we not got a better option to play the right side of CB than Clark
Lescott ..as passed it as John Terry
Richardson less of a threat going forward than Amavi and no better in defence
Gestede is as limited a striker as you will ever see , no wonder no one else came in for him.Literally no ability to flick the ball on,hold up play or bring others into play.
Was Gueye injured ?
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I hope we've been scouting some half decent fucking goalkeepers too, because I look at Guzan these days and I see Scott Carson looking back at me.
Spot on there. There was a shot in the second half he caught around knee height and I was sure he was chcuking it in.
There are many, many, many keepers better out there.
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At least Garde knows Gil should start above Grealish. He also must be wondering why the international footballer Sanchez is totally done on 75 mins. He will probably also be wondering why Gabby is anywhere near the team sheet amongst several other things.
With Sanchez, i often think it is because he's doing Westwood's work for him, too, while he stands around doing fuck all and watching the game pass him by
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We did OK for 15 minutes. Ayew and Gil made a difference. The trouble when you pick such a shit starting line up is that 3 subs are not enough!
Ayew and Gil made a mockery of our starting line up. Gil did more on 30 seconds than Grealish did all night. He was hungry for the ball and retained possession every time.
I'm sick and tired of seeing us give the ball away so easily
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P45 for KM in the morning.
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Ok theres work to do, but only 4 points from safety. Remi needs to get working quickly.
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Well that was as pathetic as the starting line-up suggested. I gave kmac the benefit of the doubt on Wednesday given he'd only had a couple of days to prepare them but to go with an even worse team tonight is unforgivable.
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Guzan Clark lescott Richardson bacuna sanchez Westwood agbonlahor sinclair. The lot of these remi please fuck them off as soon as u can??
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I'm glad Garde didn't join in Fox and Reilly's pathetic celebration after Ayew's goal. He must see it was papering over the cracks.
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Once we started to play we looked like we could compete just fine. You could see the team grow in confidence. There is no way we should be where we are with the squad we have.
Kevin MacDonald should be ashamed of himself for the side he put out tonight. I hope Garde goes into the dressing room tonight and has a few consoling and confidence building words with the side.
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My view,
Lescott wasn't too bad
Hutton/Sinclair - decent outings
Clark woeful
Sanchez ok but does dilly dally at times
Bacuna improved
Grealish hopeless, Gil has to play instead
Gabby embarrasing, Ayew starting to make things happen
Gestede should've scored, but offers little
Problems lie in the fact we hold no retention of the ball in the last third. This equals no goal threat and puts a frail defence under pressure for long periods. If we can carry the ball and hold it up the pitch then things would improve at both ends. At least there were some encouraging signs.
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Please someone ring 5Live that isn't a surrender-fuck telling ''Chappers'' we're down. Fuck sake...
Who phoned in was it Gabby and Grealish. They look like they've surrendered.
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I'm glad Garde didn't join in Fox and Reilly's pathetic celebration after Ayew's goal. He must see it was papering over the cracks.
What an odd thing to say. Why shouldn't employees of the club celebrate the goal? Should the fans not have celebrated either?
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Hutton has been massively criticised on this forum but at least he has fire in his belly. There are a few players who should be bombed out now, Richardson, Clark, Agbonlahor.
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Remi will see what needs to be done from that display,who's worth keeping and who needs the bullet.Im strangely optimistic.
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Gil's been the best footballer at the club by miles since he arrived and yet has probably played in well under 50% of our matches since then. While Gabby lumbers around looking totally disinterested week after week.
It's a good illustration of our recent malaise.
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Agreed Nastylee re ball retention up front. It is our big problem, because it is not the type of thing any of our forwards are naturally good at.
We need a focal point of the attack that will let the 3 behind play.
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Things I never want to hear again - "Kevin MacDonald will be Caretaker manager"
Couldn't pick his nose . Picked a team out of spite to stick two fingers up. Tosser .
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80 minutes of rubbish, 10 minutes of frantic adequacy.
Ayew and Gil should be in the side. Kevin MacDonald should probably be facing some sort of internal disciplinary action.
What's his win record as Caretaker Manager 0% is it?!
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A complete lack of aggression, urgency and tempo. We are a mild side.
A special mention for Richardson, in five years of utter dross it takes a special kind of ineptitude to stand out as being particularly bad but he managed it and in bucket loads.
This new fella will need to be pretty good if he's going to keep this shower up.
Ayew impressed me, he tried hard, despite the utter crap around him.
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Terrible for 75 minutes. What this game showed is that Ayew and Gil have to start. I thought Gil was great when he came on but in fairness he didn't have much to improve on. On this form Gil is comfortably ahead of Grealish.
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Very poor only player who tried to do something is Ayew and Gil for me.
If I was picking the team next game
Bunn,
ILori,
Okore,
Clark,
Amavi
Sanchex, Gana, Gil, Traore, Vertout
Ayew
Subs
Guzan, Gardner, Grealish, Crespo, Kozak, Lescott, and Gestede
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Agreed Nastylee re ball retention up front. It is our big problem, because it is not the type of thing any of our forwards are naturally good at.
We need a focal point of the attack that will let the 3 behind play.
Although Ayew does hold it - not in the target man sense but the fact he can dribble and commit some players and create some space.
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There's too much club loyalty to Gabby. KMac clearly very guilty of it. He played him up front on his own, and instructed the other players to try and find him with through balls down the channels, which might have worked about eight years ago. Nostalgia has its place, but not when you're picking a team.
Hopefully Garde will have none of this sentimental nonsense, and ship out the mediocre wasters who have been at the club too long.
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Terrible selections but it could be a blessing in disguise.
Atleast now Remi can see that Gabby, Richardon, Clark and Sinclair are no where near good enough and that there's talent we are wasting week after week on the bench.
That last 10 showed there's something to work with while the first 80 showed the ones that arn't up to it.
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KMAC bottled it
Again. Clueless
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80 minutes of rubbish, 10 minutes of frantic adequacy.
Ayew and Gil should be in the side. Kevin MacDonald should probably be facing some sort of internal disciplinary action.
What's his win record as Caretaker Manager 0% is it?!
Beat West Ham and Everton. Although Everton absolutely slaughtered us.
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Terrible selections but it could be a blessing in disguise.
Atleast now Remi can see that Gabby, Richardon, Clark and Sinclair are no where near good enough and that there's talent we are wasting week after week on the bench.
That last 10 showed there's something to work with while the first 80 showed the ones that arn't up to it.
You can add Bacuna and Westwood to that list
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Utter shite...summed up by our Captain standing in the tunnel wearing fuckin' gloves. If I had been the manager I would have dropped him there & then...try running around a bit more you useless twat...it's not even cold. Perhaps he knew something we didn't as he got caned by Gary Neville at half time having had the fewest touches ever by a PL player in a first half!
I never want to see him in a Villa shirt again. Before anyone adds what a great servant he has been. Why? He hasn't been playing for nothing. He has absolutely stolen a living as a PL striker more than 10 years earning tens of thousands of pounds every week in the process.
On a wider issue we are desperate. It is the worst set of players that we gave had since 1986/87 and we are careering towards the Championship new manager or not.
Awful times.
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Agree with most of the comments, think he was right taking Grealish off never in the game needs a rest,Gabby should have played his last game he is a symptom of why Villa are wher they are. Plaudits to Hutton gave his all if all the others gave his committment we wouldn't have a problem, Gil and Anew must start but what do we do with Gestede we really need a big guy up fron. but Gestede is so one dimensional.
I would have Bacuna playing just behind the forwards very unluck to hit the posr.
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I hope that is the last we ever see of that lard arse waste of space who is somehow the club captain. I laughed when I heard Bolton had Ameobi and Heskey as their strikers, I'm not sure we've got any better.
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Christ, another clueless eejit on 5Live. Can't get through...Villa fans being shown to parrot the shit that they hear from pundits.
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Not starting with one of our overseas new signings reeks to high heaven. After the leeks in the press about our summer strategy during Sherwood's last days and KMac's admission he has a lot to thank Tim for and was sorry to see him go questions need to be asked.
I don't really want him near our young players anymore if there's something to this.
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Mcdonald whatever your petty protest was in picking that team your a fucking disgrace.
Gabby
Richardson
Clark
Sanchez
Grealish
Guzan
Fucking disgraceful all of you.
Gil
Ayew
Bacuna
Lescott
Hutton
Sinclair
At least you looked like you gave a fuck
Get Veretout amavi and Gana in the side now
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Sinclairs receiving a bit of negativity but I actually felt sorry for him, 5 or 6 times he tried to take the full back on and make things happen and had fuck all support off Richardson or the centre midfielders so he ended up being surrounded with no were to go because the other fuckers were hiding.
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Messers MacDonald & Agbonlahor - you should both feel deeply ashamed
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I watched the Walking Dead tonight; it was that or watch the Walking Dead.
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My view,
Lescott wasn't too bad
Hutton/Sinclair - decent outings
Clark woeful
Sanchez ok but does dilly dally at times
Bacuna improved
Grealish hopeless, Gil has to play instead
Gabby embarrasing, Ayew starting to make things happen
Gestede should've scored, but offers little
Problems lie in the fact we hold no retention of the ball in the last third. This equals no goal threat and puts a frail defence under pressure for long periods. If we can carry the ball and hold it up the pitch then things would improve at both ends. At least there were some encouraging signs.
Agree with all of that.
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I actually feel better about our chances after the second half than I did before kick off.
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I watched the Walking Dead tonight; it was that or watch the Walking Dead.
I am about too
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I really like Ayew.
I really like Sanchez.
I really like Gil.
I respect Hutton.
We're having trouble retaining the ball because we're playing two in the middle and the great shed that is Gestede offers fuck all. Get Veretout on for Gestede. Let Ayew go up top on his own and get Gil on the right and Grealish on the left.
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P45 for KM in the morning.
I'd give him a P90, just so I could sack the fucker twice after that.
20 odd years of being associated with and respected by the club and he's pissed it all up the wall inside a week.
God knows what his reasoning was, but I can't believe that someone who's been coaching at various levels for nigh on 30 years genuinely thought that those 2 starting 11s were the best possibilities, especially tonight's.
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Mcdonald whatever your petty protest was in picking that team your a fucking disgrace.
Gabby
Richardson
Clark
Sanchez
Grealish
Guzan
Fucking disgraceful all of you.
Gil
Ayew
Bacuna
Lescott
Hutton
Sinclair
At least you looked like you gave a fuck
Get Veretout amavi and Gana in the side now
"Fucking disgraceful" is way over the top for Richardson, and just wrong for Sanchez, who generally played okay.
Everyone's fed up with things at the moment but when you exaggerate for effect it undermines any point you try to make.
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Proud history shite future.
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On a positive note, we'll steal a march on the other teams next season as we already have our championship squad in place. Comes of planning ahead by Randy as he has constructed this championship squad over several years. Who says he doesn't know what he's doing. Don't want the place cluttered up by all those Premiership standard players do we.
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Grealish should play with Gil, if he's going to play. There's too much pressure on him to do all of it.
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I didn't see the pre match coverage and assumed Gana was injured, he wasn't then?
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A massive bag of spunk apart from the last ten minutes.
I never, ever want to see Agbonlahor picked again. Rolling around the pitch and couldn't give a fuck.
Richardson - how the hell he was picked in front of Amavi, god only knows. He must of shit in KMC's pockets.
Westwood - fuck me what a dire excuse for a footballer.
Grealish needs bringing down to earth again and played in the reserves for a while. I never saw his hair move once all game.
Positives:
Ayew worked his socks off, so did Gil and if the rest of them had the appetite of Hutton we wouldn't be in the shit we are.
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John on WM feels sorry for Gabby and thinks Sanchez was MOTM. Good lord they're all out tonight.
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Whilst he was good a few seasons back Guzan has got to go, he inspires no confidence in the defence.
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Grealish should play with Gil, if he's going to play. There's too much pressure on him to do all of it.
Exactly what I said, I'm not denying that Grealish had a shit game, but he links up so much better with Gil, they can read each other and know when to move or stay etc.
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Mcdonald whatever your petty protest was in picking that team your a fucking disgrace.
Gabby
Richardson
Clark
Sanchez
Grealish
Guzan
Fucking disgraceful all of you.
Gil
Ayew
Bacuna
Lescott
Hutton
Sinclair
At least you looked like you gave a fuck
Get Veretout amavi and Gana in the side now
Totally agree. Richardson is lazy, sloppy and crap. Clark is a championship defender, Guzan thinks he'd get a nosebleed if he comes off his line. Sanchez is strong but defensively inept, Bacuna constantly gives the ball away, doesn't track back and is crap. Five year contract? Gil has to play.
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Richardson and Sinclair shouldn't be anywhere near that team
I honestly wonder if some people know what sport they are watching. Sinclair was non stop and had to work single handedly against 2 sometimes 3 men. He had no support, had team mates constantly running the opposite way from him and yet somehow managed to be our best player for at least half of that match. Pick an easy scapegoat for the sake of it. I despair....
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We still look better that 4 other teams in the league. He somehow has to I still some belief into them.
Name those teams please
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Not starting with one of our overseas new signings reeks to high heaven. After the leeks in the press about our summer strategy during Sherwood's last days and KMac's admission he has a lot to thank Tim for and was sorry to see him go questions need to be asked.
I don't really want him near our young players anymore if there's something to this.
I said that at the start of the match thread. With all of the overseas signings we made this summer it almost appeared as if he intentionally left them out. It must have been harder to pick a side without some of them than with them. Gil and Ayew brought more energy to the side than the rest combined previous to that and it almost got us something from the game.
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Poor poor display. Goals given away at criminal times and for long periods gutless display by many
Ratings
Guzan - not a lot to say no chance for goals 5/10
Richardson- ok but gives the ball away to often 6/10
Clark- awful always liable to make a Rick mistakes throughout poor 3/10
Lescott - not too bad but out of position for first! 6/10
Hutton - gave it a go energy 7/10
Sanchez - breaks up play well but then gives it away typified by second goal staggeringly lacs in possession 5/10
Waste wood - not much to rate 4/10
Sinclair - in possession did ok but rarely got it 6/10
Gabby - eight touches by the club captain leading the line a disgrace to the badge brain dead 2/10
Grealish - poor needs to grow up and stop thinking he's made it worst performance I've seen from him pathetic! Work hard and get a grip mr ream 2/10
Bacuna - at least he try's and puts a shift in 6/10
Ayew- puts himself about and at least features in the game needs to improve his first touch and ability to bring others in 6/10
Gil - how he doesn't play is staggering passes the ball with pace and verve and makes us go forward. I bloody hope garde notices 7/10
gestede - only had one cross in a dangerous area and won the header shame we can't put more crosses in otherwise very limited 4/10
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We still look better that 4 other teams in the league. He somehow has to I still some belief into them.
Name those teams please
Sunderland, Newcastle, Bournemouth and Norwich immediately come to mind.
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Gabby, Clark and Grealish were shocking.
Gil needs to start
Ayew and Hutton did well.
Don't understand those of you knocking Sinclair, for a large part he was the only one trying to attack them...and without support most of the time.
Sanchez, Richardson and Lescott were all done by 70 mins.
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Remi had that ' what the fuck can I do with this pile of shite' look
Worst start to a season in the 120 odd year history of the club.
We're making history!!!
This was one of the few plus points from the night as his look of sheer disgust spoke volumes to me. Hopefully more than half that lot will never been seen again.
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Bunn*
Hutton Okore Clark* Amavi
Sanchez
Gana Veretout
Gil Ayew Sinclair
Give that team a few games please. * = replace in transfer window
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I don't expect to be celebrating much on Sunday but all I do ask from Remi is that he puts a team out who look like they give a fuck...a team that at least has some pride.
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I watched the Walking Dead tonight; it was that or watch the Walking Dead.
I am about too
Me too... should be far superior than that showing
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To repeat others...
Gil is the only nailed on starter at the club IMO, yet never starts. Bizarre.
The lack of a genuine wide man is glaringly obvious. Sinclair is not fit to do the job I'm talking about.
Clark never has been, and at his age, I question if he's ever likely to be, premier league quality.
Ditto Westwood. Ditto Bacuna.
Whatever Richardson had is long gone.
Ditto Agbonlabollocks. Ditto Lescott.
Carlos Sanchez. The best ball winner in the side, criminally guilty of giving it away too easily time after time after time.
I take it all back about Ayew, he's better than I thought. On the flip side, I maintain Gestede was a waste of money.
K Mac should hang his head for his joke team selection. I appreciate he'll be moved out tomorrow but two fingers up to the board is also a massive fuck you to the genuine, honest, paying supporters that made the journey down there tonight. They didn't deserve that.
I didn't want Garde. I think it'll be too much for him.
I hope I'm wrong.
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Not only does MacDonald need sacking, he should face an FA inquiry.
There is no excuse for that team selection.
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Agbonlahor only went off because he was injured, listening to Macdonald's post match interview, the bloke is deluded.
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Not only does MacDonald need sacking, he should face an FA inquiry.
There is no excuse for that team selection.
Punits recognised it, post-match interviewer saw it, we all saw it. Sack him immediately, wanker.
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Mcdonald whatever your petty protest was in picking that team your a fucking disgrace.
Gabby
Richardson
Clark
Sanchez
Grealish
Guzan
Fucking disgraceful all of you.
Gil
Ayew
Bacuna
Lescott
Hutton
Sinclair
At least you looked like you gave a fuck
Get Veretout amavi and Gana in the side now
"Fucking disgraceful" is way over the top for Richardson, and just wrong for Sanchez, who generally played okay.
Everyone's fed up with things at the moment but when you exaggerate for effect it undermines any point you try to make.
Sorry mate but it's about opinions and mine was Richardson is so unfit and off the pace and does not support Sinclair so he is wasted as well always against several players on his own.
Sanchez unbelievable that almost every touch was a loss of possession. His lack of comittment to 2nd ball is shocking
Mcdonald just interviewed and said gabby was injured hence him taken off. You fucking coward.
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Garde should have now illusions now. He has got his work cut out.
First task should be telling Gabby to droit de la scčne de sortie et ne pas revenir ... and some of the other players to remonter les bretelles and show some hunger. Do some of our players really want to go down? Because if they do, they can Foxtrot Oscar toute suite....
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I take it back about KMac being a Sherwood stooge. The man is obviously on drugs. Class A drugs. Lots of them. Gabby came off because he was injured. "Scotty Sinclair was excellent all match". WTF
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Kmac seemed to have decided to continue to make Sherwood's point about the johnny forinjers. On yer bike mate and don't come back.
I do wonder how many wimpy fuck ups Clark has to commit before people realise he is absolutely shite and will never make a PL centre back in a million years. That's one at Palace, one v Sunderland and one tonight directly down to him going into challenges in a fashion that would make Charles Hawtrey look butch. Between him and Guzan they must have cost us 6-7 goals and several points. Replacements an absolute priority in January.
There's a half decent team in there somewhere, and hopefully Garde is the man to find it.
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Our inability to retain the ball during most of the game was staggering.
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MacDimWit should be made to write to the crew who traveled down there tonight and apologize. Not only did he show he doesn't give a toss, he basically told the Villa fans where to get off. Asshole. Should be fired tonight and told never to set foot anywhere near Villa Park ever again. Pisses me right off.
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I actually thought Richardson did ok.
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Clarke is not good enough. I've been saying that for the best part of four years.
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Carragher and Clowns saying we should get Gestede and Gabby on together and go long ball for the rest of the season.
That actually makes me feel ill.
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Clarke is not good enough. I've been saying that for the best part of four years.
You'd think you'd be able to spell his name by now in that case.
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K'mac asked about if he selected that team because it was the players he was most familiar with. He replied no. He chose the team that he thought could do the most damage to spurs. He's an idiot.
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Is it beyond the realms of possibility that KMac has already been told that his services are going to be dispensed with? He may have made his feelings known regarding his mate Timmy which may have done for him. Not being in possession of any facts it's just a theory.
That aside, for the team selection of his two games in charge, he needs to be grabbed by the collar of his neck and the arse of his trousers and hurled through the doors of Bodymoor as soon as possible. I'm really sad about saying that as, I liked KMac and thought he did a reasonable job with the Academy.
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The team needs to revolve around Gil and Ayew, the best two footballers we have. Grealish needs to be given a rest, still no end product from him. Gabby should never start again.
The pundits think we are down, just pray we can prove them wrong.
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So depressing to watch that awful shite for 80 minutes, it was a shock to see them play decently for 10 minutes, but got what we probably all expected at the end.
Guzan - 3 - Spurs fans called it right: "You're just a shit Brad Friedel"
Hutton - 6 - Came out with a lot of credit, works hard, but unfortunately, no end result.
Clark - 4 - Bullied for the first goal, but playing out of position. Did okay after that.
Lescott - 4 - Just about okay.
Richardson - 3 - Hopeless control, woeful passing, forever chasing to make up for his poor positional sense.
Bacuna - 5 - Struggled first half but improved second, unlucky with the shot that Lloris pushed onto the post.
Sánchez - 6 - All round play good, still gives the ball away cheaply and dilly dallying can give the opposition opportunities to seize possession.
Westwood - 2 - Anonymous. He's just not a Premier League player.
Sinclair - 5 - Worked very hard first half, tired second. Every attempt he had to break through he was facing at least 3 defenders and more often than not, conceded possession.
Grealish - 3 - Very poor. The worst I've seen him play – is there too much weight on his shoulders.
Agbonlahor - 0 - Your time is up mate.
Ayew - 7 - A breath of fresh air when he came on, has skill, guile and as the game went on grew in confidence. Great to see him score, albeit fortunately.
Gestede - 4 - Nothing sticks does it? Of the few headers he does win from Guzan's hoofs, the ball just flies miles from any claret and blue shirt. Should have done better with his chances.
Gil - 7 - Linked play well, has great vision and a superb passer of the ball. Yes, he gets bullied and easily dispossessed sometimes, but he along with Ayew seem to be the only bright sparks in the squad right now.
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Clarke is not good enough. I've been saying that for the best part of four years.
But what about Clark?
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Too many people at this club accepting mediocrity or worse. Bin them.
Looking at that team tonight, you felt the result was inevitable; the only question was when the goals against would come. MacDonald must be a Labour man, because that was the football equivalent of the longest suicide note in history.
I honestly feel like we're doing our best to destroy the careers of some very talented footballers. What the fuck are we trying to achieve partnering them with lumps of shite like Agbonlahor or forcing them to do the work of four midfielders? Sod the language barrier - nobody in the country understands it.
Hopefully it's a line in the sand. Unfortunately it's quicksand.
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I echo the fact that McDonald should hang his fucking head. You absolute coward. He is one of the constants in the last 5 years of misery and a waste of resources. That team was set up to get men behind the ball and hope for the best. I hear what a great coach he is but where are the results? I hope he gets handed his cards. Useless.
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Anyone who thinks sanchez had a good game needs to watch it again! How one player can give the ball away so much in one game is fuckin beyond me! The same goes for bacuna and Richardson!
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K'mac asked about if he selected that team because it was the players he was most familiar with. He replied no. He chose the team that he thought could do the most damage to spurs. He's an idiot.
I'm having trouble squaring my previous image of KM as a dependable club man we've turned to many times and who has always made himself available (not letting his pride get in the way) with that team he picked tonight.
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Garde should have now illusions now. He has got his work cut out.
First task should be telling Gabby to droit de la scčne de sortie et ne pas revenir ... and some of the other players to remonter les bretelles and show some hunger. Do some of our players really want to go down? Because if they do, they can Foxtrot Oscar toute suite....
They all have relegation clauses drawn up in their contracts. They couldn't give a shit.. they just go an ply their trade elsewhere.
I've already written this season off. I am preparing to be relegated, and anything other than that will be a bonus. Sad and pathetic days for the club.
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Saturday should see Clark, Bacuna, Lescott, and Agbonlawhore dropped from the side completely, and Guzan, Westwood, Sinclair, and Richardson drop to the bench.
That leaves Grealish, Sanchez, and Hutton - who should be joined by Gil, Veretout, Okore, Gana, Micah, Amavi, Bunn, and Ayew in a 442.
Its a game we will very likely lose so one where Remi can start a side he wants and start the long way back.
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I would love to see our best XI this season. That certainly wasn it.
Who the fuck sits down and actually thinks that Richardson, Westwood, Bacuna, and Agbonlahor are anywhere near our best players to start a game?
What a joke the first half was; surrender. That is what it was and what MacDonald did. Surrendered. Nobody breaking from the midfield, nothing into the anonymous Gabby, just woeful.
Gil made a massive difference, with his movement and ability to increase the tempo. It brought something more out of Ayew whose pressing and endeavour got him a goal and almost another with that vicious looking shot. Bacuna in fairness helped with pressing too. It wasn't enough, but it was a sign of life.
Imagine if we had some more of our best players out there?
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Saturday should see Clark, Bacuna, Lescott, and Agbonlawhore dropped from the side completely, and Guzan, Westwood, Sinclair, and Richardson drop to the bench.
That leaves Grealish, Sanchez, and Hutton - who should be joined by Gil, Veretout, Okore, Gana, Micah, Amavi, Bunn, and Ayew in a 442.
Its a game we will very likely lose so one where Remi can start a side he wants and start the long way back.
Most of us want Gabby out the side, but is there really any need to stoop to sha levels with that insulting way of saying his name?
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Officially the worst start to a season in the club's history. Another record smashed by Villa over the last 5 years. Absolutely sick to death of it all.
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Saturday should see Clark, Bacuna, Lescott, and Agbonlawhore dropped from the side completely, and Guzan, Westwood, Sinclair, and Richardson drop to the bench.
That leaves Grealish, Sanchez, and Hutton - who should be joined by Gil, Veretout, Okore, Gana, Micah, Amavi, Bunn, and Ayew in a 442.
Its a game we will very likely lose so one where Remi can start a side he wants and start the long way back.
Most of us want Gabby out the side, but is there really any need to stoop to sha levels with that insulting way of saying his name?
Agreed.
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I echo the fact that McDonald should hang his fucking head. You absolute coward. He is one of the constants in the last 5 years of misery and a waste of resources. That team was set up to get men behind the ball and hope for the best. I hear what a great coach he is but where are the results? I hope he gets handed his cards. Useless.
To be fair, McDonald left fairly soon after Houllier was appointed and only returned as part of Sherwood's entourage.
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Saturday should see Clark, Bacuna, Lescott, and Agbonlawhore dropped from the side completely, and Guzan, Westwood, Sinclair, and Richardson drop to the bench.
That leaves Grealish, Sanchez, and Hutton - who should be joined by Gil, Veretout, Okore, Gana, Micah, Amavi, Bunn, and Ayew in a 442.
Its a game we will very likely lose so one where Remi can start a side he wants and start the long way back.
Most of us want Gabby out the side, but is there really any need to stoop to sha levels with that insulting way of saying his name?
Fair enough. Apologies.
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There is no place in a Premier League team for
Guzan
Richardson
Westwood
Bacuna
Agbonlahor
Lescott and Clark need to be benched. Jesus Christ if Okore is no better than that on the pitch we might as well shut up shop and forfeit every match. Gil over Grealish, he needs to pull his finger out. Ayew ffs it's not hard, the kid is busting his balls out there, he wants to win, there's a stark contrast with the look on his face to how things are panning out to wankers like Westwood who float through each defeat without batting an eyelid.
Bunn
Hutton
Amavi
Okore
Richards
Gueye
Sanchez
Veretout
Traore
Gil
Ayew
Guzan
Crespo
Clark/Lescott
Gardner
Fuck knows but anyone but Westwood
Sinclair
Gestede
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Better towards the end, but we looked tired and ragged by the time the third went in. Gil has to play from the start and then we need to build around him. Kozak has to at least be given a chance as I can't see how he can be any worse than the current options. Garde has a massive job ahead of him, but there were little glimmers of hope there in the second half.
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Remi should listen to no one at the club and make his own mind up about the players we have..I m sure he will and hopefully he will prove to be a ruthless bastard.
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On the flip side it's not like we're getting thrashed out of sight every week. Something for Garde to work with.
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Kevin Mac's interview on sky-what an uninspiring, drab, dour twat. Fucking hell, how does he inspire anyone? Out.
Garde's face on TV, the shaking of the head. I think he will be well up for transforming this sorry bunch masquerading as a football team.
Paddy Reilly just looks like a c***. Fox, smarmy. I sincerely dislike how we appear as a football club.
Good luck to you Remi, well done Gil and Ayew.
Gabby should be thrown down a well-calf injury my arse. A fucking mess stealing a living more like. First goal was abysmal from Clark. People can put an 'e' on the end of his name, but he is wank. Richardson and Westwood-I hate the pair of them.
All in all, Bullshit
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and Agbonlawhore dropped from the side completely,
I think that he shouldn't play again also, but there is no need for that.
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Fair enough. Apologies.
Appreciated thank you.
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I don't seriously think MacDonald picked that side as a fuck you, but it shows once and for all he's no manager. If that's the best side he can find from those players - the football equivalent of a Formula One team lining up on a the grid with a Raleigh Chopper, a Tickle Me Elmo play trike and a rusty two-berth caravan with fucked axles - then he's a fucking idiot.
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Officially the worst start to a season in the club's history. Another record smashed by Villa over the last 5 years. Absolutely sick to death of it all.
To a man they all should be ashamed of themselves to let it slip this far. After the Lambert Christmas and New Year debacle they should have nipped this in the bud, 3 years later it's worse than ever.
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Full Time. Remi Garde to Tom Fox. 'Ou est la gare la Saint Pancras plait?'
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K'mac asked about if he selected that team because it was the players he was most familiar with. He replied no. He chose the team that he thought could do the most damage to spurs. He's an idiot.
I'm having trouble squaring my previous image of KM as a dependable club man we've turned to many times and who has always made himself available (not letting his pride get in the way) with that team he picked tonight.
He's turned into a boring old fart who insists on picking the boring old farts that he knows he can rely on...except he can't because they're shit! Massively misplaced loyalty picking Gabby and bigging him up before the game...he was - and has been for some time - an embarrassment.
Complacency is too kind a word.
If KMac was in a proper job he'd have got the push years ago.
A "proper Villa man"?
Is he fu*k.
If he was he would have picked a decent team tonight. He didn't.
Fu*k the fu*ker.
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On the flip side it's not like we're getting thrashed out of sight every week. Something for Garde to work with.
Plus a lot of goals we concede are down to errors, or just soft goals. Decent coaching etc should be able to cut some of those out.
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I don't expect to be celebrating much on Sunday but all I do ask from Remi is that he puts a team out who look like they give a fuck...a team that at least has some pride.
Watched the whole game and all I can say is you are wrong, wrong, wrong, 'clash city rocker'. It looked to me like they did care, well, most of them ( Gabby is clearly a spent force ). We had almost as many attempts on goal at the Spuds, hit the woodwork and Ayew was mightily unlucky not to equalise.
First half the team played with an understandable lack of confidence but, in the second half they played with much greater determination and passion as our fans at the ground realised and the TV commentator noted.
No, my glass is not half full but I refuse to kick my own beloved Villa ( with unjustified criticism ) when they are down ...................Godzvilla!
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Garde should have now illusions now. He has got his work cut out.
First task should be telling Gabby to droit de la scčne de sortie et ne pas revenir ... and some of the other players to remonter les bretelles and show some hunger. Do some of our players really want to go down? Because if they do, they can Foxtrot Oscar toute suite....
They all have relegation clauses drawn up in their contracts. They couldn't give a shit.. they just go an ply their trade elsewhere.
I've already written this season off. I am preparing to be relegated, and anything other than that will be a bonus. Sad and pathetic days for the club.
I hope some of our deadwood like Gabby, Clark, Sanchez and Bacuna will have a kick up the backside and a culture shock.
What is needed at AVFC is the same shock that Wenger delivered at Arsenal in 1996. We are so off the standard we should be. Question is will we stay up? The ones that couldn't give a shit....shove them in the reserves, then ship them out in January.
Football as Jimmy Greaves once said is a "funny old game". How you can perform so appallingly as a player, then still get a payoff, whereas in any other job you would get the sack is a mystery.
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Saturday should see Clark, Bacuna, Lescott, and Agbonlawhore dropped from the side completely, and Guzan, Westwood, Sinclair, and Richardson drop to the bench.
That leaves Grealish, Sanchez, and Hutton - who should be joined by Gil, Veretout, Okore, Gana, Micah, Amavi, Bunn, and Ayew in a 442.
Its a game we will very likely lose so one where Remi can start a side he wants and start the long way back.
Most of us want Gabby out the side, but is there really any need to stoop to sha levels with that insulting way of saying his name?
Totally agree, but he should be known as "Ate" from now on, for various reasons.
https://twitter.com/jaywhite_1/status/661287039111979008
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Officially the worst start to a season in the club's history. Another record smashed by Villa over the last 5 years. Absolutely sick to death of it all.
To a man they all should be ashamed of themselves to let it slip this far. After the Lambert Christmas and New Year debacle they should have nipped this in the bud, 3 years later it's worse than ever.
They've been lucky enough to profit from our struggle year in year out, staying up by the skin of our teeth. There's no shame because there has been no consequence. When the goal is staying up the standard is already so low that they are comfortable with where they are.
They've lowered the standing of this club so far. We've become a joke. Listening to Neville laugh at us was hard to take. We are so, so bad. I don't think Garde will save us, and even if he does a pretty good job it wont be enough as we've lost too much ground already. How has Randy not got any stick during the match?
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Five words to sum us up.
Gabby Agbonlahor
Randy fcukin Lerner
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Guzan.... 5/10, I think he's absolutely shite but could'nt really do much with the goals, kicking was pathetic again.
Hutton....7/10, Can't fault the blokes effort.
Clark...... 2/10, Criminally bad defending for the first, I actually liked him last season when he played with Okore, probably the strongest we've looked at the back for a long time.
Lescott..... 5/10, He's completely past it, didn't do much wrong today though.
Richarson.. 2/10, He seems to be in there simply because he defends better than Amavi, well thats bollocks, Amavi has his faults defensively but he's still on another planet ability wise to this clown, Hid all game, left Sinclair completely isolated, cant pass, cant get forward, cant defend, hes just an all round shit player.
Sanchez.. 6/10, Covered shit loads of ground, broke play up well, got his foot in, needs Gueye next to him so he doesn't have to do the work of two men.
Westwood.. 4/10, I don't have the hatred for Westwood that some on here have, a tidy player but never the player to have in a two man midfield.
Bacuna.. ..3/10, Hit the post, thats about it.
Grealish.. 2/10, Yeah he was shite tonight but he has to play with Gil, they understand each others games, they know when each other will move and give it and go etc, its no coincidence that our best football this season has coincided with them both on the pitch.
Sinclair... 6/10, Always looked for the ball, didn't hide unlike others, tried to make things happen, crowded out to often due to nobody offering support.
Agbonlahor.. 1/10, The one is purely for him managing to tie his laces.
Ayew....... 7/10, glad he's got through his tricky start, he looks a proper player now, technically very good, must start.
Gestede... 4/10, Its all been said hundreds of times, He has one very good attribute and that is getting on the end of whipped crosses, if your not going to play a formation or the players that are capable of producing such crosses then there is no point playing him.
McDonald... 0/10, A loser, a failure, spineless, easy to see why he failed at Swindon, a snake that should be fucked off asap.
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Do you think we could recoup any money on Gestede from a Championship side if we put him up for sale in Jan?
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What we need is a proper English man in charge playing all those proper English players.
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Only Hutton, Gil and Ayew came out with any credit. Clark makes too many mistakes, he's not a youth anymore. Bacuna tries hard but not good enough, as is Westwood. Sanchez plays like he's stoned, less said about Gabby, Lescott and Richardson the better.
Hope Garde asks Lerner for some cash for a striker in Jan, if we stick with what we have,we could be doomed.
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Please, Remi, be good at your job.
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What we need is a proper English man in charge playing all those proper English players.
Ideally he'd also be a proper football man.
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What's the point in giving Lerner stick at the match? He wants to sell and get as much money back as he can, and he doesn't even attend despite that outlay. He does deserve an enormous amount of opprobrium for his role in our slide but it would just be barking in the dark, I fear.
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That team tonight couldn't compete in the Championship.
Never mind lads...I watched the first half of Brentford v QPR the other night & it was one of the worst matches I've seen in years. We might just be able to get a point from either of them!
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Boys boys all our ineptitude is down to absolutely crap managers. It was there for all to see tonight. Honestly don't think it will take much for Remi to turn them into a team but it will be team where we never see Gabby, Westie, or Richarsson again
I could not agree more...these three are championship players at best! They should be nowhere near the first team.
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There's still time to turn this shite-filled supertanker of a season around. We can start with a hard-working, slightly spawny 1-1 draw against a bored and overconfident Citeh side.
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After tonight I reckon we'll be alright for another two seasons in the Premier League.
Winter and Spring.
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Do you think we could recoup any money on Gestede from a Championship side if we put him up for sale in Jan?
He might find his level next season with us !
The only good news is Remi can bring back Richards, Amavi, Vertout, Gana and start Ayew and Gil - that's 6 players that could make a difference...and Traore from the bench. That's almost a whole new team right there.
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I genuinely think KMac should be investigated for match fixing. There is no excuse for that starting 11 and even dimwit pundits can see it.
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So depressing being bottom and having people like Richardson, Gabby, Sinclair, Lescott stinking out the side. Clark had a shocker aswell.
Bonkers that Ayew can't get in ahead of any of our "strikers"
At least with Remi in now the likes of Amavi and Gana who have been inexplicably sidelined will get chances again, hopefully Traore and Veretout aswell.
We can only hope but no chance of this squad getting 10 wins.
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To my mind, the first thing Garde has to do is pick the spine of his team, the four players who he's going to trust with his tactics come what may. If he goes with Guzan, so be it, but he needs to make sure they know he's counting on them to be the fulcrum in goal, defence, midfield or attack.
The second thing he's got to do, of course, is put Lescott on gardening leave.
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I feel kmac is getting too much criticism here he is stepping into the breach and doing his best.
About time ppl looked at the players! Yes ayew and Gil could of started but he picked what he thought was right
Let him go back to what he does best and lay off him he isn't the reason we're in this mess
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I feel kmac is getting too much criticism here he is stepping into the breach and doing his best.
About time ppl looked at the players! Yes ayew and Gil could of started but he picked what he thought was right
Let him go back to what he does best and lay off him he isn't the reason we're in this mess
Nobody has said he's the reason we are in the mess.
People are pointing out that it is nigh-on impossible for anyone to really think that that starting line up was our best.
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KMac is a genuine guy who has been at the club for years, maybe things are a lot more rotten behind the scenes that we realise. It doesn't excuse his selections over the past two games mind.
As much as there was a daft team selection, you would think our players would be bursting a gut considering our league position and with our new manager in the stand. For most of that game our players with few exceptions were an absolute disgrace to the shirt.
Guzan 4 - hard to watch him, confidence is shot. Bunn needs to be given a go
Hutton 7 - limited player but gave his all, the bare minimum expected from any player but sadly he is one of the few who genuinely seems like he cares
Clark 3 - in one way felt sorry for him as he should never have been jselected on the right side but still I expect a player in the top division to make a passable attempt at looking competent
Lescott 5 - pub player but far from our worst tonight
Richardson 4 - see above but worse, so unfit it's untrue
Bacuna 5 - improved second half but another one who could do with growing a pair
Westwood 4 - irrelevant
Sinclair 4 - no pace, no nothing really, a poor man's Charles Nzogbia who is a multi millionaire despite delivering little or nothing as a senior professional
Gabby 0 - a charlatan, end of. Treats the club with a level of contempt not seen since SVC. F*ck off and never come back
Grealish 3 - I could be kind and say young players are notoriously inconsistent but he didn't try a leg tonight. Not mature enough to be starting and if he isn't willing to sweat a bit and show a bit of moral courage to get on the ball then he will head the same way as Luke Moore and the Fonz. Tonight should be a serious wake up call for him.
Ayew 7 - played out of position but gave it his all from the start. Took a lot of wrong options but kept going and got his rewards. An example of what is expected of a player at our club, shocking early appearances for us now long forgotten, great sign of a top character
Gil 7 - only player on our team whose technical ability stood out. Wanted to be involved, took players on. Start him for next three games minimum
Gestede 5 - reminded me of that gif of a horse falling over a gym ball. Should have scored mind but looks increasingly limited.
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I feel kmac is getting too much criticism here he is stepping into the breach and doing his best.
About time ppl looked at the players! Yes ayew and Gil could of started but he picked what he thought was right
Let him go back to what he does best and lay off him he isn't the reason we're in this mess
Well he did as bad a job as possible and everyone can see that. The team he picked tonight can only have been deliberately picked to lose.
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Bunn
Hutton Okore Clark Amavi
Sanchez Gueye
Sinclair Gil Traore
Ayew
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To my mind, the first thing Garde has to do is pick the spine of his team, the four players who he's going to trust with his tactics come what may. If he goes with Guzan, so be it, but he needs to make sure they know he's counting on them to be the fulcrum in goal, defence, midfield or attack.
The second thing he's got to do, of course, is put Lescott on gardening leave.
Best of a bad bunch but I'd go for Guzan, Richards, Sanchez, Gana, Gil, Ayew as the spine. Likes of Grealish and Traore will have parts to plays aswell as the season goes on.
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Bunn
Hutton Okore Clark Amavi
Sanchez Gueye
Sinclair Gil Traore
Ayew
You are kidding? No Gabby?
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I feel kmac is getting too much criticism here he is stepping into the breach and doing his best.
About time ppl looked at the players! Yes ayew and Gil could of started but he picked what he thought was right
Let him go back to what he does best and lay off him he isn't the reason we're in this mess
Clark, Richardson, Bacuna and Gabby (C) in the same squad..?!
He should've been excused of his duties right there. Out right pathetic for someone villa "through and through"
The guy had nothing to lose and put that heap of crap out there. Had it not been for the subs we could've gotten killed.
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We were shocking tonight but I don't understand the Sinclair bashing, he was one of the least worst. There was a moment in the second half where he was looking for help from Richardson or an overlap and he just stopped and trotted back. The team that started tonight was the worst Villa side I can remember seeing since 1987.
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Maybe I’m insane but I’m not too despondent after that. After all, what did it tell us that we didn’t already know? The starting eleven, with a couple of exceptions, was Lambert’s team, the same eye-wateringly bad team that wasn’t remotely good enough for the last two years, the self-same pillock collective that needed a whacking great injection of better players just to get to mid-table. Well, we’ve got them, plenty of them. Why the buggering hell they were all on the bench tonight is beyond me, but when a few of them found their way onto the pitch and settled into the game we started to look a bit like a football team. Who’d have thought it? What a shame the game had gone by then.
That’s the really frustrating thing, it was a waste of a game, a surrender from the moment that starting line-up was decided; judging by the second half performance I’d say we could have got at least a point tonight with a less idiotic team selection. However, we have a new manager who has just seen that with his own eyes. He’ll have spotted the rampant ineptitude in that first half, and looked to the bench to see Gil, Ayew, Amavi and Veretout, with Gueye, Okore and Richards to return. It’s not as if he’s saddled with Ricky Otto, Kevin Francis and six Vince Oversons. There are better options there, and signs late in the game that there is some talent in this squad. What there isn’t is organisation, intelligence and confidence. Good luck, Mr Garde.
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Is the team he should have selected. If gueye isn't fit then veretout. If traore isn't fit then grealish
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Christ Football gold on Sky, the 4-4 Monday night Spurs game. I was there that night just to rub it in.
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Bunn*
Hutton Okore Clark* Amavi
Sanchez
Gana Veretout
Gil Ayew Sinclair
Give that team a few games please. * = replace in transfer window
Richards instead of Clark, and possibly some permutation of 3 from Gil, Ayew, Sinclair, and Kozak.
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If Remi is as good as most of us on here at spotting our faults it won't take him long to improve us.
Not taking the piss - I am serious.
We have the club in our hearts and can see who the good and bad players are week in, week out.
Any "insider" eg: KMac or "desperate to make news" eg Sherwood, will have "baggage" that means they pick players for the weirdest of personal reasons.
I'm sure we'd all put Gil on the team sheet every week, but TS didn't and KMac hasn't. They both persisted in picking Gabby, Westwood and Lescott. Why?
I'm hoping Garde will see the wood for the trees and simply pick the "best" potential team...and for me that would include Richards, Amavi, Sanchez, Gana, Veretout, Ayew, Gil; possibly Hutton, Okore, Clark, Bacuna, Kozak, Grealish, Bunn, Guzan?, Gestede?, Sinclair. NEVER: Lescott, Richardson, Westwood, Gabby.
Just pick the best team available based on philosophy of play, not "experience" etc....we did that tonight and got well and truly fu*ked after 2 minutes!
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There is no way on the planet that the new additions are worse than the shower of shit that was out there tonight. They may make mistakes, but Amavi is twice the player Richardson is, Veretout can do everything Westwood can and a fair bit more and Gueye is even better, and Ayew scored - again.
Plus, Gil is always a livewire and wants the ball when he comes on. He should be starting every game at the minute, because he's one of the few players who still has his head up.
We have the personnel to play some decent stuff, provided they are confident. But we still need a striker in the January window. Preferably one who can actually control a football and make intelligent runs. Otherwise we're down.
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The phrases people have used on here are apt - 'best of a bad bunch' , 'least worst' etc. Even if we play all of our better players we will still be short of the required quality.
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We were shocking tonight but I don't understand the Sinclair bashing, he was one of the least worst. There was a moment in the second half where he was looking for help from Richardson or an overlap and he just stopped and trotted back. The team that started tonight was the worst Villa side I can remember seeing since 1987.
The most frustrating thing, and the reason for so much anger towards McDonald is that it didn't need to be.
Even the commentators over here were taking the piss out of Gabby, so many years at the club, the experienced player who the youngsters should be able to look to, but is the bloke that offers nothing.
Westwood as part of a midfield 2?
Richardson instead of Amavi?
The list is almost endless. Just about the only bloke that had a starting place on merit and came off having earned his money as well was Hutton.
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I don't know if we have a 'bad bunch'. Half our squad never get a chance to play. Honestly, what was the point in signing Tiago Ilori? Richardson got pelters tonight, yet he's apparently first choice left back.
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I don't know if we have a 'bad bunch'. Half our squad never get a chance to play. Honestly, what was the point in signing Tiago Ilori?
Fuck the bed, I'd totally forgotten about him.
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I wonder if the ridiculously late suspension of Micah Richards affected them all, including KMac?
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I don't know if we have a 'bad bunch'. Half our squad never get a chance to play. Honestly, what was the point in signing Tiago Ilori?
Fuck the bed, I'd totally forgotten about him.
Me too. Bloody hell.
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At least Mike Dean seemed to enjoy it!
https://vine.co/v/e3xZuMJwwTl (https://vine.co/v/e3xZuMJwwTl)
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Wonder if Garde's contract contains a cooling off period.
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I feel kmac is getting too much criticism here he is stepping into the breach and doing his best.
About time ppl looked at the players! Yes ayew and Gil could of started but he picked what he thought was right
Let him go back to what he does best and lay off him he isn't the reason we're in this mess
Could you remind me of what he does best. Because I am seriously concerned about him being responsible for the youngsters
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Officially the worst start to a season in the club's history. Another record smashed by Villa over the last 5 years. Absolutely sick to death of it all.
To a man they all should be ashamed of themselves to let it slip this far. After the Lambert Christmas and New Year debacle they should have nipped this in the bud, 3 years later it's worse than ever.
They've been lucky enough to profit from our struggle year in year out, staying up by the skin of our teeth. There's no shame because there has been no consequence. When the goal is staying up the standard is already so low that they are comfortable with where they are.
They've lowered the standing of this club so far. We've become a joke. Listening to Neville laugh at us was hard to take. We are so, so bad. I don't think Garde will save us, and even if he does a pretty good job it wont be enough as we've lost too much ground already. How has Randy not got any stick during the match?
This is of course the crux of the matter and a complete mystery to outside observers
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I feel kmac is getting too much criticism here he is stepping into the breach and doing his best.
About time ppl looked at the players! Yes ayew and Gil could of started but he picked what he thought was right
Let him go back to what he does best and lay off him he isn't the reason we're in this mess
No he's not. He's getting what he deserves. He took over for two games with absolutely nothing to lose. He knew the kind of sides Sherwood had been putting out that has resulted in us losing 6 straight. And as a very experienced coach, instead of taking a very different approach, reintegrating players or simply giving them some freedom it could be argued he made the side even more conservative, negative and introverted. I thought he'd really mix it up for Southampton and instead of put out what must be worst side of the season, and tonight it was almost as bad, maybe more so given the magnitude of the game and occasion for the club.
Thanks for all your work over the years Kevin but you need to go too.
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Even more so when you read that Gana and Traore were simply left out of the squad. Gana who has been head and shoulders our best midfielder this season. Idiotic, and if I did not know better as short sighted as much of the little England press gang have been.
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Even more so when you read that Gana and Traore were simply left out of the squad. Gana who has been head and shoulders our best midfielder this season. Idiotic, and if I did not know better as short sighted as much of the little England press gang have been.
It's truly unbelievable especially regarding Gana.
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MacDonald, nice as he seems, is part of a settling for less culture at Villa. The academy set-up appears to be superb but the end product - getting them to be solid, Premier League players - seems to be lacking. Superstars come along rarely, so I'm not asking for a miracle, but why does their talent drain away as soon as they get anywhere near the first team?
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Kmac is the Gabby of the coaching staff. Happily accepting mediocrity.
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I feel kmac is getting too much criticism here he is stepping into the breach and doing his best.
About time ppl looked at the players! Yes ayew and Gil could of started but he picked what he thought was right
Let him go back to what he does best and lay off him he isn't the reason we're in this mess
He's probably picked the worst starting 11 possible.
He is responsible for that.
The fact that he brought Ayew and Gil on to change things for the better shows that he had not picked the best possible team.
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There is not one of us capable of picking a worse starting line up out of the squad we have tonight. That's what galls me.
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Even more so when you read that Gana and Traore were simply left out of the squad. Gana who has been head and shoulders our best midfielder this season. Idiotic, and if I did not know better as short sighted as much of the little England press gang have been.
It's truly unbelievable especially regarding Gana.
That just can't be true, can it? Christ, that's not a selection, its a fuck-off.
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I don't know if we have a 'bad bunch'. Half our squad never get a chance to play. Honestly, what was the point in signing Tiago Ilori? Richardson got pelters tonight, yet he's apparently first choice left back.
Yes, I don't know either (if we've got a 'bad bunch'). Ayew and Gil did well. Hutton (who I've never liked) and Sanchez deserve to keep their place. Sinclair wasn't total shit. Richards will be back. Grealish has talent and links well with Gil. Okore, Gana, Amavi and Veretout should be in the team. Adama, Crespo, Ilori and Kozak have it all to play for in training.
It's not impossible that with some intelligent tactics and organisation we could be a decent team.
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Even more so when you read that Gana and Traore were simply left out of the squad. Gana who has been head and shoulders our best midfielder this season. Idiotic, and if I did not know better as short sighted as much of the little England press gang have been.
It's truly unbelievable especially regarding Gana.
That just can't be true, can it? Christ, that's not a selection, its a fuck-off.
They were rested Monty. We are fucking bottom of the league and this idiot decides the best player of our so far shit season and a player who has barely played at all needed resting. I'll let you react now.
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I think we have the makings of a team that should be higher than it is in the table and I hope we already know the bodies we will be bringing in in January to address our weaknesses.
Looking at the bigger picture for the remainder of the season, I want to see the club now do all in its power to get Villa Park full and up for it for every remaining home match of the season - I want to see our PR Dept, Commercial Dept, every member of staff getting positive and playing their part with the supporters in lifting the team. The "R" word should not even be mentioned or spoken about at Bodymoor Heath, there's over two-thirds of the season left and we are far from down.
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Even more so when you read that Gana and Traore were simply left out of the squad. Gana who has been head and shoulders our best midfielder this season. Idiotic, and if I did not know better as short sighted as much of the little England press gang have been.
It's truly unbelievable especially regarding Gana.
What?!
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I was worried our best midfielder was injured, just shocked to hear he was dropped or rested.
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Rested, he looked tired or something:-
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/idrissa-gana-adama-traore-reason-10376399
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Bullshit. All our foreign summer signings were dropped or tired? Utter bollocks. I'd love to know what's going on in that dressing room and training pitch because it's not right at all.
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''We couldn’t play people here and say after 20 minutes that they look knackered.”
But Gabby can play injured and Richardson looks fucked after half time in every single game. The blokes talking utter tosh. Fuck off to Swindon with Dim.
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Looking at the bigger picture for the remainder of the season, I want to see the club now do all in its power to get Villa Park full and up for it for every remaining home match of the season - I want to see our PR Dept, Commercial Dept, every member of staff getting positive and playing their part with the supporters in lifting the team.
A rousing rendition of La Marseillaise before each game should do the trick!
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Fuck off KMac!! Utter nonsense you talk. Ffs we need Okore in as soon as possible. Traore tired, Gana tired? Absolute bollocks.......something really odd going on in that dressing room. Lerner you useless prick sort it out - show some balls for once!!
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An opportunity wasted. OK, we would probably have lost anyway, but we could at least have gone out with a team that was capable of testing the opposition. KM's selection was a disgrace
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Even more so when you read that Gana and Traore were simply left out of the squad. Gana who has been head and shoulders our best midfielder this season. Idiotic, and if I did not know better as short sighted as much of the little England press gang have been.
It's truly unbelievable especially regarding Gana.
That just can't be true, can it? Christ, that's not a selection, its a fuck-off.
I saw in one paper at the weekend the word 'cliques' mentioned. Seeing that selection tonight, you do have to wonder.
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''We couldn’t play people here and say after 20 minutes that they look knackered.”
But Gabby can play injured and Richardson looks fucked after half time in every single game. The blokes talking utter tosh. Fuck off to Swindon with Dim.
Exactly.
Massively disappointed with KMac's selection tonight...very simply adding to the current shit mood at The Villa.
Struggling to even believe it.
Fu*k him!
No doubt Garde will have seen a certain degree of who can do what at AVFC and will act accordingly.
If Gabby or Lescott are in Sunday's team I will eat someone's hat.
(I've only got woolly ones, and don't fancy them at all! Far too chewy.)
Looking forward to some significant changes in team personnel for Sunday.
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Bullshit. All our foreign summer signings were dropped or tired? Utter bollocks. I'd love to know what's going on in that dressing room and training pitch because it's not right at all.
I was talking recently to someone who was did their coaching badges over the summer at St George's Park and he said that Sherwood appeared on one of the days. He said they were discussing the role of sports science and conditioning when Sherwood apparently piped up with "I don't bother with any of that fucking shit". Would explain quite a bit to be honest.
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Remi... Please play all the french signings and let them gel together.....Don't impose the usual Shite that are totally useless ******...we know who they are.....the worst bunch of so called footballers in a long time... Remi, Be Brave.
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It certainly looks suspiciously like Kmac and the British players were behind dim Tim and the foreign contingent maybe not so keen. I wonder if the foreigners got together and told Tim what a useless c**t he was tactically. Well if they did they were right.
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It certainly looks suspiciously like Kmac and the British players were behind dim Tim and the foreign contingent maybe not so keen. I wonder if the foreigners got together and told Tim what a useless c**t he was tactically. Well if they did they were right.
Perhaps it's just me...but I almost think you can see it every time Gil plays...he so much wants the ball and looks for other players to do the same, but they're not so keen...except for perhaps Grealish, who he plays with really well.
You can see his shoulders drop, in a resigned sort of way as if he is thinking..."what the fu*k am I doing here?"
I honestly think he is our best player.
There, I've said it.
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I agree frank
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Remi... Please play all the french signings and let them gel together.....Don't impose the usual Shite that are totally useless c***s...we know who they are.....the worst bunch of so called footballers in a long time... Remi, Be Brave.
Time to gel together, it's what they need, we all know that, we've even been told that as an early season excuse of why we've been getting beaten. We get two games, pretty much pressure off because we have no manager and what does the caretaker do? He doesn't play any of them, so they're still getting no match minutes under their belts together.
Absolute scandalous selection tonight, it hasn't helped the football club one bit. Mcdonald was supposedly a Villa man? My arse, he's not done us any good at all tonight, he needs packing off.
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Even more so when you read that Gana and Traore were simply left out of the squad. Gana who has been head and shoulders our best midfielder this season. Idiotic, and if I did not know better as short sighted as much of the little England press gang have been.
It's truly unbelievable especially regarding Gana.
That just can't be true, can it? Christ, that's not a selection, its a fuck-off.
I saw in one paper at the weekend the word 'cliques' mentioned. Seeing that selection tonight, you do have to wonder.
Tom, we've lost 10 out of 12. Teams that do that are either massively out gunned in the division they are in or the other option is everyone is not pulling in the same direction and fighting for the cause. I think with the stories in the media the last 2 weeks and the team selections the last 3 games it's pretty clear which it is for us.
Dim should have gone last international break.
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Bullshit. All our foreign summer signings were dropped or tired? Utter bollocks. I'd love to know what's going on in that dressing room and training pitch because it's not right at all.
I was talking recently to someone who was did their coaching badges over the summer at St George's Park and he said that Sherwood appeared on one of the days. He said they were discussing the role of sports science and conditioning when Sherwood apparently piped up with "I don't bother with any of that fucking shit". Would explain quite a bit to be honest.
Fuck me. Even Sam Alladiola swears by it.
If true, he is even more of a dimwit than he showed himself at Villa Park
As for Gana - I would imagine being named as the ONLY central midfielder against a side like Swansea might have knackered him out a fair bit, but well into the last 15 minutes he was still making lung busting runs into their half and still winning the ball back, so I would respectfully suggest KMac is talking out of his arse.
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27 cup finals
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It certainly looks suspiciously like Kmac and the British players were behind dim Tim and the foreign contingent maybe not so keen. I wonder if the foreigners got together and told Tim what a useless c**t he was tactically. Well if they did they were right.
Perhaps it's just me...but I almost think you can see it every time Gil plays...he so much wants the ball and looks for other players to do the same, but they're not so keen...except for perhaps Grealish, who he plays with really well.
You can see his shoulders drop, in a resigned sort of way as if he is thinking..."what the fu*k am I doing here?"
I honestly think he is our best player.
There, I've said it.
I would look to build the attacking side of the game around Gil at the moment. Put him in an advanced central role and get the fall to him. We can fit others in around him, but he looks our best bet at the moment.
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A few hours after Lerner in his statment ,regarding Garde becoming boss mentions our aggressive purchasing in the summer and KMAC leaves all those players out ...
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I am really struggling to understand team selections from managers at Villa.
Why do we insist on playing one-footed central defenders on the 'wrong' side. It happened last season with Vlaar and again tonight with Clark. Why do they think experience is better than somebody of less experience playing their natural position.
Players that have looked good at times in matches this season get dropped but players that have been distinctly average (and that is being kind) keep on coming back into the team. To me, this is the main reason why we are in the position we are.
I know everybody is entitled to an opinion but I am fed up with hearing so and so put a shift in when, although the player has given his best, his best is not good enough.
When is a manager going to pick what I would call a balanced team. The midfield 5 selected tonight was just an invitation for Spurs to build from deep through the middle with no pressure put on them. Once into our half they were able to pull players out of position and play balls into the space.
I know confidence is low but there just seems to be a lack of desire to get back and defend. I do not put this all down to lack of fitness, especially when it is happening in the first half of games. An example of this was for the first goal. Clark was badly at fault but Hutton was just walking back.
As poor as our performance was tonight, I thought the referee's was equally as poor. Two very similar incidents with Bacuna getting caught in the first half and not even giving a free kick and in the second half, a Villa player being booked for the same tackle. The incident involving Westwood going off was disgraceful refereeing. Everybody could see that Westwood was hurt with what could have been a serious head injury and Dean allowed play to continue. There was no intent from Dembele and certainly no use of an elbow but it was aggressive use of the arm that could be dangerous (as it turned out, it was), so why no foul. Put it another way, if it was a tackle with the foot and missed the ball, it does not matter that the player did not intend to foul the player, the ref will blow for a foul and in most cases these days, books the player.
I am just praying that Garde comes in and makes his own mind up on players. He needs to decide on the systems he wants to play and pick the players that have the best potential to play them. It may take time but he must persevere and give the players opportunity to gel. We need a settled side more than anything at the moment. Most of the players brought in during the summer are technically very good and they need to be given the opportunity.
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A few hours after Lerner in his statment ,regarding Garde becoming boss mentions our aggressive purchasing in the summer and KMAC leaves all those players out ...
Whatever agenda he was working towards tonight it wasn't to benefit Aston Villa Football Club. Borderline sabotage.
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Re the Dembele thing, Westwood for his failings is about as straight up a pro as you will see out there, and is about the last I would think would fake a head injury. Mike Dean was nothing short of a disgrace for not pulling the game up, and yet again I thought conducted the game very much favouring the side playing against Villa, but then I think he does that each and every time he is given one of our games, and I would request the FA remove him from Villa games. I think he is one of the new breed of refs that is far more interested in camera time than being any good as a ref too, and likes his friendly bants with the players too much.
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Randy and co need to take massive blame, they've been gambling with our future for the last 5-6 seasons. Now look what we've got, terrible championship players. We're in a right fucking mess, make no mistake. If Garde can keep these fuckers up then he does walk on water. Can't put into words how fucked off I am with this shit
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Randy and co need to take massive blame, they've been gambling with our future for the last 5-6 seasons. Now look what we've got, terrible championship players. We're in a right fucking mess, make no mistake. If Garde can keep these fuckers up then he does walk on water. Can't put into words how fucked off I am with this shit
I disagree entirely that our squad is comprised of Championship players. We have many good ones that simply aren't being given a chance to play. Many of the players selected today should be role fillers but instead came in and started at the same time. That's asking for trouble. I am hoping like everyone that Garde will sort the wheat from the chaff so to speak and the better players in this squad will be allowed to play and develop.
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This is the year relegation gets us. If Garde can keep this lot is up then I will happily have his name tattooed on me.
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To clarify, I'm talking about the spine of the team, Guzan, Hutton, lescott, Richardson, Westwood, Agbonlahor particularly. Bacuna.
Maybe introducing some of the new lads will help but they won't do it on there own. Like most people are picking up on there is clearly a dressing room split
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Even more so when you read that Gana and Traore were simply left out of the squad. Gana who has been head and shoulders our best midfielder this season. Idiotic, and if I did not know better as short sighted as much of the little England press gang have been.
It's truly unbelievable especially regarding Gana.
That just can't be true, can it? Christ, that's not a selection, its a fuck-off.
I stupidly gave him the benefit of the doubt that his selections tonight were incompentence rather than conspiracy. Not sure now!
KMac has taken the piss tonight with those selections and comments. We've put up with these clowns for long enough at the Villa. Get rid, I don't care how much the youth team like him, because that tonight was total dereliction of duty.
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I would be delighted given a number of the comments made by Kmac over the past week, let alone team selections that his dismissal is one of Garde's first acts. We don't need any Sherwood loyalists poisoning the water.
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Can't see how McDonald can be loyal to Tim, he dropped him like a hot potato
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Can't see how McDonald can be loyal to Tim, he dropped him like a hot potato
He was saying the other day how he was really grateful to Sherwood for bringing him back to the club
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MacDonald's assertion that we need to show Champions League form was both bollocks and needless too.
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MacDonald's assertion that we need to show Champions League form was both bollocks and needless too.
I thought that. He is pretty much saying we are down anyway which is not the mentality we want from our club employees who ever they happen to be. I would hope the relevant people are taking note. We have to win just over a third of our remaining matches which is not CL form at all. If it was we would have been in it under MON. It is doable and Garde just needs to keep us ticking over and getting points until January from which he can build on what we have in place then.
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1.3 points per game will see us on 39 points and almost certainly staying up. 1.4 sees us on 41/42. Champions League form my arse. Unless someone has finished 4th on 53 points (which is 1.4 per game).
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Remi - or Remy as our social media geniuses like to call you - my man; I hope you're bloody good at your job because you're going to need to be to save this lot.
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We need to win 9, draw 9, lose 9 to get to 40. Put another way, 4 points every 3 games... Starting right now. The Watford game looks massively important right now
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Just read from KMAcs post match conference Gana wasn't injured he was dropped. Not that sparkly in training apparently
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MacDonald's assertion that we need to show Champions League form was both bollocks and needless too.
Yep, even under the most basic scrutiny that statement simply doesn't add up - heaven knows with our record we should be cut adrift but truth is we're not, not by a long shot - does makes you wonder why he even said it.
Is he just dumb or being mischievous?
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Just read from KMAcs post match conference Gana wasn't injured he was dropped. Not that sparkly in training apparently
It's only dawned on me in the last week how much Kmac is part of the problem. Dumbass team selections and comments. We've had enough of this garbage, we really need these numpties out of the club
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KMac has lost my respect after last night, like Tim, he through away any chance of winning with pathetic team selections.
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I want Remi's first managerial act to be handing that twat his P45.
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To clarify, I'm talking about the spine of the team, Guzan, Hutton, lescott, Richardson, Westwood, Agbonlahor particularly. Bacuna.
That's not the spine of the team. There is no reason that at least four of those players shouldn't be seeing more than the early round of future cup competitions.
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At least Garde knows Gil should start above Grealish. He also must be wondering why the international footballer Sanchez is totally done on 75 mins. He will probably also be wondering why Gabby is anywhere near the team sheet amongst several other things.
With Sanchez, i often think it is because he's doing Westwood's work for him, too, while he stands around doing fuck all and watching the game pass him by
As I wrote in the match thread, he does twice the work not because of Westwood but because he always has to win it back twice: the first time, then immediately after he passes straight to the opposition. If he won it then made absolutely sure we kept possession, he'd find himself with much more energy left in reserve.
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Maybe I’m insane but I’m not too despondent after that.
I agree. There were encouraging signs in the second half and we could have got something. I don't think it's a lost cause just yet.
As for the team selection, yes it was poor. Having 6 new players sat on the bench was ridiculous, but some of the abuse Kmac is getting on here is way over the top.
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Having slept on it I am more than ever convinced that the team selection by McDonald for both the games he has managed indicate firstly a premeditated and deliberate insult to his superiors and secondly it shows in stark clarity the split between the established players and the newcomers. All the evidence indicates that Sherwood and McDonald and Wilkins if he could muster any kind of view, took the side of the predominantly British clique against the predominantly French group.
McDonald knew he was toast once Fox and the board were clearly going to bring in a French team. His reaction was like the employee who knows he is about to be justifiably sacked and uses what time he has left to be destructive.
He is banking on being able to spread his hands, shrug his shoulders and claim that he acted in good faith citing stuff like Gana not being in the squad because he did not impress in training and Agbonlahor getting the hook due to injury. Under military law that is termed "dumb insolence", the showing of disrespect for superiors and dereliction of duties by default.
That is precisely what McDonald did last night and a measure of whether or not the club can recover will be able to be made by the board's reaction to it. They should have him on the carpet this morning and shout at him until his ears fall off. He made the club look bereft and ridiculous and moreover he did it premeditatedly. If the whole insulting farago goes unpunished and the spelling of the manager's name in social media is regarded as more serious, the plotting and disruption will simply get buried and return at some future time of crisis.
Under Garde the new players, and hopefully the likes of Gil, Kozak and Bunn will get proper consideration and the English speaking clique put firmly in their place. The sun should have set on one or two careers last night.
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Too many players receive the ball as if it were a ticking time bomb. Only when Gil came on did we have someone who appeared happy to have a football at his feet. Most of them appear as if the last place they want to be is on a football pitch. They look scared.
As for Gabby, the camera on him in the tunnel before the game said it all. There he stood, our team captain about to lead his boyhood team out into battle but wearing a gormless unfocused expression of disinterest and a pair of gloves to keep his little handys cosy. He pulled his tracksuit top collar over his chin to keep warm then witheringly wobbled his way out to the pitch. And what followed? 6 touches in open play, the halftime hook and national lampooning on Sky Sports. That ladies and gentlemen is our captain. I could weep.
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Too many players receive the ball as if it were a ticking time bomb. Only when Gil came on did we have someone who appeared happy to have a football at his feet. Most of them appear as if the last place they want to be is on a football pitch. They look scared.
As for Gabby, the camera on him in the tunnel before the game said it all. There he stood, our team captain about to lead his boyhood team out into battle but wearing a gormless unfocused expression of disinterest and a pair of gloves to keep his little handys cosy. He pulled his tracksuit top collar over his chin to keep warm then witheringly wobbled his way out to the pitch. And what followed? 6 touches in open play, the halftime hook and national lampooning on Sky Sports. That ladies and gentlemen is our captain. I could weep.
Depressing. And yet he plays. EVEN though he carried an injury. But Gana was looking tired and rested... Cannot wait for Remi to start.
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I am tired and angry this morning. Tired of seeing us play utter shite football in a team that has had utter bilge forced into it, because they "know the league". I am also tired of being told we are certainties to be relegated because we are four points off Bournemouth on the 3rd November, when half of our team, the good half with players who can actually contribute, like Gil, Amavi, Gana, Ayew etc, don't actually start or play at all.
As with every good revolution, there is a purge where the decay of what went before is liquidated. Our kulaks epitomised by Gabby should never see the starting line up again. There can be no other member of our species that believes Richardson is any better than Amavi.
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One thing that did annoy me about Gabby last night. About 3 mins in, a Spurs player had his arms all over him but he didn't protest to the ref at all, he just accepted it. I think he's time may be up.
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When the alternative to Richards is Clark, Gbby is Gestede and Amavi is Richardson you get to understand how bad this team and squad is.There is hardly a decen Premier League level player to be seen.I think people are kidding themselves if they think it is down to team selections.
This is a squad set up for relegation.
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One thing that did annoy me about Gabby last night. About 3 mins in, a Spurs player had his arms all over him but he didn't protest to the ref at all, he just accepted it. I think he's time may be up.
They should refuse to pay his wages until the fat bugger loses a couple of stone. It's disgraceful for a professional footballer, a striker who's only attribute used to be a yard of pace, is in that condition. He's simply not fit for purpose
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Basic technique was lacking in so many areas of the pitch yesterday.
Poor positioning in defence, inability to control and hold on to the ball in midfield, no creativity up front.
Reality check to those who think this squad is mid table - too many are woefully short of premiership standard for that.
Garde's job is all about somehow managing to engineer a result or two up to Christmas and then being able strengthen, otherwise we're fucked.
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When the alternative to Richards is Clark, Gbby is Gestede and Amavi is Richardson you get to understand how bad this team and squad is.There is hardly a decen Premier League level player to be seen.I think people are kidding themselves if they think it is down to team selections.
Westwood was preferred to Gana. Bacuna was preferred to Gil. Gabby was preferred to Ayew. Richardson was preferred to Amavi. Lescott was preferred to Okore.
Those are team selections, and very bad ones at that. There aren't decent Premier League players to be seen if we choose not to pick all of our best players.
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It's hard to say what it tells you when your best players are sat on the bench or left out altogether in favour of people who were either finished at this level five years ago or have never cut it a this level.
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When the alternative to Richards is Clark, Gbby is Gestede and Amavi is Richardson you get to understand how bad this team and squad is.There is hardly a decen Premier League level player to be seen.I think people are kidding themselves if they think it is down to team selections.
Westwood was preferred to Gana. Bacuna was preferred to Gil. Gabby was preferred to Ayew. Richardson was preferred to Amavi. Lescott was preferred to Okore.
Those are team selections, and very bad ones at that. There aren't decent Premier League players to be seen if we choose not to pick all of our best players.
And we have seen all those players getting the same results.
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When the alternative to Richards is Clark, Gbby is Gestede and Amavi is Richardson you get to understand how bad this team and squad is.There is hardly a decen Premier League level player to be seen.I think people are kidding themselves if they think it is down to team selections.
Westwood was preferred to Gana. Bacuna was preferred to Gil. Gabby was preferred to Ayew. Richardson was preferred to Amavi. Lescott was preferred to Okore.
Those are team selections, and very bad ones at that. There aren't decent Premier League players to be seen if we choose not to pick all of our best players.
And we have seen all those players getting the same results.
Have we? When was the last time that the five who played last night were missing and the five who didn't start were in their places?
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When the alternative to Richards is Clark, Gbby is Gestede and Amavi is Richardson you get to understand how bad this team and squad is.There is hardly a decen Premier League level player to be seen.I think people are kidding themselves if they think it is down to team selections.
Westwood was preferred to Gana. Bacuna was preferred to Gil. Gabby was preferred to Ayew. Richardson was preferred to Amavi. Lescott was preferred to Okore.
Those are team selections, and very bad ones at that. There aren't decent Premier League players to be seen if we choose not to pick all of our best players.
And we have seen all those players getting the same results.
Only is because there has been no coherent plan when they've played.
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As for Gabby, the camera on him in the tunnel before the game said it all. There he stood, our team captain about to lead his boyhood team out into battle but wearing a gormless unfocused expression of disinterest and a pair of gloves to keep his little handys cosy. He pulled his tracksuit top collar over his chin to keep warm then witheringly wobbled his way out to the pitch. And what followed? 6 touches in open play, the halftime hook and national lampooning on Sky Sports. That ladies and gentlemen is our captain. I could weep.
It was a disgrace...I was screaming at my TV when I saw him in the Tunnel. It sums him up entirely. He should have been out of the door years ago. I was delighted when Neville exposed him live on National TV. I hope he is truly embarrassed but I suspect he is too thick to notice. I suspect he will rarely appear again under the new man.
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As for Gabby, the camera on him in the tunnel before the game said it all. There he stood, our team captain about to lead his boyhood team out into battle but wearing a gormless unfocused expression of disinterest and a pair of gloves to keep his little handys cosy. He pulled his tracksuit top collar over his chin to keep warm then witheringly wobbled his way out to the pitch. And what followed? 6 touches in open play, the halftime hook and national lampooning on Sky Sports. That ladies and gentlemen is our captain. I could weep.
It was a disgrace...I was screaming at my TV when I saw him in the Tunnel. It sums him up entirely. He should have been out of the door years ago. I was delighted when Neville exposed him live on National TV. I hope he is truly embarrassed but I suspect he is too thick to notice. I suspect he will rarely appear again under the new man.
The worst thing about the sky studio laughing at him last night is I was laughing along with them
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When the alternative to Richards is Clark, Gbby is Gestede and Amavi is Richardson you get to understand how bad this team and squad is.There is hardly a decen Premier League level player to be seen.I think people are kidding themselves if they think it is down to team selections.
This is a squad set up for relegation.
Spot on.
There's just not enough goals in the team to give us a sniff of staying up. You can't expect Ayew, Gestede, Gabby,Kozak to score more than 15 league goals between them. When you couple that with a back five thats guaranteed to make at least one horrific howler a game, it really does look bleak.
I'm sure Garde will settle quickly on a preferred formation and starting eleven - that'll help steady is. But the glaring difficiences in the the squad far outweigh any positives.
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When the alternative to Richards is Clark, Gbby is Gestede and Amavi is Richardson you get to understand how bad this team and squad is.There is hardly a decen Premier League level player to be seen.I think people are kidding themselves if they think it is down to team selections.
Westwood was preferred to Gana. Bacuna was preferred to Gil. Gabby was preferred to Ayew. Richardson was preferred to Amavi. Lescott was preferred to Okore.
Those are team selections, and very bad ones at that. There aren't decent Premier League players to be seen if we choose not to pick all of our best players.
And we have seen all those players getting the same results.
We have seen the worse players play an awful lot more than the better ones (Spurs fans, as I've said, must have been absolutely baffled as to why Gil didn't start).
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Last night's selection is surely KMac's final act, can't believe it was one of deliberate sabotage, but it definitely betrayed his thoughts on the recent goings on behind the scenes. Gana and Traore not in the squad at all - did they miss the train? Or, have they been punished for sulking during training, bad attitudes etc. because the being rested argument is frankly ludicrous.
Then there was the bench, which held all the other players we had 'aggressively pursued' in the summer. Sherwood had made it pretty clear he didn't want them and our caretaker (not a fan of transfer committees obviously) didn't think much of them either, or Gil for that matter, who then does come on and we at least rally, and show some fight. For a brief moment we almost looked galvanised, you might say.
Some of the stuff about Garde's time at Arsenal suggested that he acted as a conduit between the British contingent and Wenger, and helped explain and smooth over some of the more radical changes the funny looking foreign fellow in the glasses brought in on his arrival at Highbury. Remi didn't play too much, but his diplomatic skills were vitally important apparently. He's going to need them here now.
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As for Gabby, the camera on him in the tunnel before the game said it all. There he stood, our team captain about to lead his boyhood team out into battle but wearing a gormless unfocused expression of disinterest and a pair of gloves to keep his little handys cosy. He pulled his tracksuit top collar over his chin to keep warm then witheringly wobbled his way out to the pitch. And what followed? 6 touches in open play, the halftime hook and national lampooning on Sky Sports. That ladies and gentlemen is our captain. I could weep.
It was a disgrace...I was screaming at my TV when I saw him in the Tunnel. It sums him up entirely. He should have been out of the door years ago. I was delighted when Neville exposed him live on National TV. I hope he is truly embarrassed but I suspect he is too thick to notice. I suspect he will rarely appear again under the new man.
The worst thing about the sky studio laughing at him last night is I was laughing along with them
No. The worst thing is that we've seen this for quite some while now. The pundits seen it last night but successive management and coaching staff still haven't seen it.
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As for Gabby, the camera on him in the tunnel before the game said it all. There he stood, our team captain about to lead his boyhood team out into battle but wearing a gormless unfocused expression of disinterest and a pair of gloves to keep his little handys cosy. He pulled his tracksuit top collar over his chin to keep warm then witheringly wobbled his way out to the pitch. And what followed? 6 touches in open play, the halftime hook and national lampooning on Sky Sports. That ladies and gentlemen is our captain. I could weep.
It was a disgrace...I was screaming at my TV when I saw him in the Tunnel. It sums him up entirely. He should have been out of the door years ago. I was delighted when Neville exposed him live on National TV. I hope he is truly embarrassed but I suspect he is too thick to notice. I suspect he will rarely appear again under the new man.
The worst thing about the sky studio laughing at him last night is I was laughing along with them
I was too and also enjoyed their overall analysis. It was a kind of vindication.
I'm impressed that Neville both knew what was happening and also that he spoke about it.
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Whilst we were poor in defence and conceded three really soft goals, the FA and mike Dean pissed me off last night. Richards being banned for last night a couple of hours before KO. How were we supposed to prepare for the match? Then Mike Dean giving the full 'homer' referee performance, including missing one of our players getting a whack to the face and playing on for what seemed like ages with added 'celebrate first goal like you scored it' Twat.
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When the alternative to Richards is Clark, Gbby is Gestede and Amavi is Richardson you get to understand how bad this team and squad is.There is hardly a decen Premier League level player to be seen.I think people are kidding themselves if they think it is down to team selections.
Westwood was preferred to Gana. Bacuna was preferred to Gil. Gabby was preferred to Ayew. Richardson was preferred to Amavi. Lescott was preferred to Okore.
Those are team selections, and very bad ones at that. There aren't decent Premier League players to be seen if we choose not to pick all of our best players.
And we have seen all those players getting the same results.
Have we? When was the last time that the five who played last night were missing and the five who didn't start were in their places?
You have more faith in Gana Ayew Amavi than I do. Okore is stlll injured and you are allways going to have injuries and suspensions, when you look at the players we have there is a glaring lack of PL quality. I know that is not a popular view on here.
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Well you haven't exactly given them a chance - ten games of hardly playing under the most laughable 'manager' in the country. You may well be right, but we'll only be able to judge once Remi's had them for a few weeks.
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When the alternative to Richards is Clark, Gbby is Gestede and Amavi is Richardson you get to understand how bad this team and squad is.There is hardly a decen Premier League level player to be seen.I think people are kidding themselves if they think it is down to team selections.
This is a squad set up for relegation.
Spot on.
There's just not enough goals in the team to give us a sniff of staying up. You can't expect Ayew, Gestede, Gabby,Kozak to score more than 15 league goals between them. When you couple that with a back five thats guaranteed to make at least one horrific howler a game, it really does look bleak.
I'm sure Garde will settle quickly on a preferred formation and starting eleven - that'll help steady is. But the glaring difficiences in the the squad far outweigh any positives.
Except for the fact that Ayew and Gestede, despite all their adaptation problems and the often pitiful service, have combined to score 5 goals in 11 matches which, while nothing to write home about, translates to more than 15 goals over 38 games.
As for this stuff about how shit the backups are, well, that's pretty much how it is when it comes to bottom-half Premier League squads.
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I thought Okore declared himself fit last week?? People were saying it was great to have him available again?? There's no way Dembele would've brushed aside Okore like he did with Clark for that opening goal. I see conceding in the last minute is still happening. Staggering the amount of late goals conceded.
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When the alternative to Richards is Clark, Gbby is Gestede and Amavi is Richardson you get to understand how bad this team and squad is.There is hardly a decen Premier League level player to be seen.I think people are kidding themselves if they think it is down to team selections.
This is a squad set up for relegation.
Spot on.
There's just not enough goals in the team to give us a sniff of staying up. You can't expect Ayew, Gestede, Gabby,Kozak to score more than 15 league goals between them. When you couple that with a back five thats guaranteed to make at least one horrific howler a game, it really does look bleak.
I'm sure Garde will settle quickly on a preferred formation and starting eleven - that'll help steady is. But the glaring difficiences in the the squad far outweigh any positives.
If you add Sinclair they've already got 12 and Kozak hasn't played.
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Having slept on it I am more than ever convinced that the team selection by McDonald for both the games he has managed indicate firstly a premeditated and deliberate insult to his superiors and secondly it shows in stark clarity the split between the established players and the newcomers. All the evidence indicates that Sherwood and McDonald and Wilkins if he could muster any kind of view, took the side of the predominantly British clique against the predominantly French group.
McDonald knew he was toast once Fox and the board were clearly going to bring in a French team. His reaction was like the employee who knows he is about to be justifiably sacked and uses what time he has left to be destructive.
He is banking on being able to spread his hands, shrug his shoulders and claim that he acted in good faith citing stuff like Gana not being in the squad because he did not impress in training and Agbonlahor getting the hook due to injury. Under military law that is termed "dumb insolence", the showing of disrespect for superiors and dereliction of duties by default.
That is precisely what McDonald did last night and a measure of whether or not the club can recover will be able to be made by the board's reaction to it. They should have him on the carpet this morning and shout at him until his ears fall off. He made the club look bereft and ridiculous and moreover he did it premeditatedly. If the whole insulting farago goes unpunished and the spelling of the manager's name in social media is regarded as more serious, the plotting and disruption will simply get buried and return at some future time of crisis.
Under Garde the new players, and hopefully the likes of Gil, Kozak and Bunn will get proper consideration and the English speaking clique put firmly in their place. The sun should have set on one or two careers last night.
Completely agree Brian. I'm not one for conspiracy theories but that team selection was akin to scuppering the boat last night. I used to think that MacDonald had something about him. He's come in at some pretty horrible times to look after the team and has done well. This latest stint was venomous and vindictive. I hope his connection with Aston Villa is severed for good.
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Well you haven't exactly given them a chance - ten games of hardly playing under the most laughable 'manager' in the country. You may well be right, but we'll only be able to judge once Remi's had them for a few weeks.
WEEKS? LOL. he's not the Messiah you know.
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To clarify, I'm talking about the spine of the team, Guzan, Hutton, lescott, Richardson, Westwood, Agbonlahor particularly. Bacuna.
That's not the spine of the team. There is no reason that at least four of those players shouldn't be seeing more than the early round of future cup competitions.
But it is though, these are the players that feature regularly and they will continue to do so unless Remi is ruthless
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A few hours after Lerner in his statment ,regarding Garde becoming boss mentions our aggressive purchasing in the summer and KMAC leaves all those players out ...
Whatever agenda he was working towards tonight it wasn't to benefit Aston Villa Football Club. Borderline sabotage.
The cynical side of me thinks it was a massive "Fuck you Remi" from Macdonald.
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A few hours after Lerner in his statment ,regarding Garde becoming boss mentions our aggressive purchasing in the summer and KMAC leaves all those players out ...
Whatever agenda he was working towards tonight it wasn't to benefit Aston Villa Football Club. Borderline sabotage.
The cynical side of me thinks it was a massive "Fuck you Remi" from Macdonald.
It was that bad of a selection that I don't think there is any doubt.
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To clarify, I'm talking about the spine of the team, Guzan, Hutton, lescott, Richardson, Westwood, Agbonlahor particularly. Bacuna.
That's not the spine of the team. There is no reason that at least four of those players shouldn't be seeing more than the early round of future cup competitions.
But it is though, these are the players that feature regularly and they will continue to do so unless Remi is ruthless
Guzan and Hutton aside I'd be surprised to see any of them feature in the next match. Well, oddly maybe Bacuna could sneak in, but I'm not quite sure how. Other than that, there'll be no Gabby, no Westwood, no Lescott and no Richardson. I'm sure of it.
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I've had a kip now and time to digest last night.
Point 1. Mcdonald was clearly making a statement to the club by snubbing the recent signings and making us a laughing stock on national tv. He has got to be sacked.
2. Gabbys has taken early retirement without telling anyone. He's an embarrassment as club captain.
3. We have the worst defence (including the worst keeper) I have seen at The Villa.
4. We will be back. Hopefully Garde is the man to do it. If not we WILL be back because we are Aston Villa an after the current regime is long gone into the sunset the hordes of us will still be here supporting the club we love. VTID
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Whilst we were poor in defence and conceded three really soft goals, the FA and mike Dean pissed me off last night. Richards being banned for last night a couple of hours before KO. How were we supposed to prepare for the match? Then Mike Dean giving the full 'homer' referee performance, including missing one of our players getting a whack to the face and playing on for what seemed like ages with added 'celebrate first goal like you scored it' Twat.
Mike Dean saw Westwood getting hit in the face as it was right in front of him, he couldn't miss it. The replay clearly showed him shaking his head and mouthing "no" as he didn't think it was a foul. He's a very poor referee who regularly seems to give decisions against us, perhaps not out of malice but just sheer incompetence. I don't think we've ever won a game that he has been in charge of.
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To clarify, I'm talking about the spine of the team, Guzan, Hutton, lescott, Richardson, Westwood, Agbonlahor particularly. Bacuna.
That's not the spine of the team. There is no reason that at least four of those players shouldn't be seeing more than the early round of future cup competitions.
But it is though, these are the players that feature regularly and they will continue to do so unless Remi is ruthless
Ruthless doesn't come into it. Even if he is just competent then Okore, Amavi, Ayew and Gana will be in the team ahead of Lescott, Richardson, Gabby and Westwood.
Our spine should be Guzan/Richards/Gana/Gil/Ayew, the fact that three of them don't play is something that I expect will soon be rectified.
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To clarify, I'm talking about the spine of the team, Guzan, Hutton, lescott, Richardson, Westwood, Agbonlahor particularly. Bacuna.
That's not the spine of the team. There is no reason that at least four of those players shouldn't be seeing more than the early round of future cup competitions.
But it is though, these are the players that feature regularly and they will continue to do so unless Remi is ruthless
Guzan and Hutton aside I'd be surprised to see any of them feature in the next match. Well, oddly maybe Bacuna could sneak in, but I'm not quite sure how. Other than that, there'll be no Gabby, no Westwood, no Lescott and no Richardson. I'm sure of it.
Subject to how much Garde rates Sanchez (I think he might've played in France while Garde was still at Lyon) I think Westwood might still play if he's healthy. For all his faults, we at least succeed in keeping the ball a little bit while he's in there - when he got dropped for Swansea and in the period between him going off and Gil coming on, we genuinely couldn't string more than a couple of passes together.
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Whilst we were poor in defence and conceded three really soft goals, the FA and mike Dean pissed me off last night. Richards being banned for last night a couple of hours before KO. How were we supposed to prepare for the match? Then Mike Dean giving the full 'homer' referee performance, including missing one of our players getting a whack to the face and playing on for what seemed like ages with added 'celebrate first goal like you scored it' Twat.
Mike Dean saw Westwood getting hit in the face as it was right in front of him, he couldn't miss it. The replay clearly showed him shaking his head and mouthing "no" as he didn't think it was a foul. He's a very poor referee who regularly seems to give decisions against us, perhaps not out of malice but just sheer incompetence. I don't think we've ever won a game that he has been in charge of.
Yes I saw that also. The club should complain to the FA about that. He was literally whacked in the face and Dean went no thats not a penalty... Erm Mike he just got whacked in the face enough to make him get substituted. I was expecting a couple of soft decisions our way after that to make up for him missing it, none came...
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I actually like Westwood, at his best I think he can do a very valuable job. The problem is that we've not seen him at anything like his best this season, and keeping him playing is just going to make him get worse and worse. He needs some bench-time, a good sit-down, until in a few weeks he's ready to replace Sanchez as a substitute and see a game out.
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Whilst we were poor in defence and conceded three really soft goals, the FA and mike Dean pissed me off last night. Richards being banned for last night a couple of hours before KO. How were we supposed to prepare for the match? Then Mike Dean giving the full 'homer' referee performance, including missing one of our players getting a whack to the face and playing on for what seemed like ages with added 'celebrate first goal like you scored it' Twat.
Mike Dean saw Westwood getting hit in the face as it was right in front of him, he couldn't miss it. The replay clearly showed him shaking his head and mouthing "no" as he didn't think it was a foul. He's a very poor referee who regularly seems to give decisions against us, perhaps not out of malice but just sheer incompetence. I don't think we've ever won a game that he has been in charge of.
How he couldn't see that it was a foul from that position is beyond me. Players have been sent off for similar. Even so, if he didn't deem it a foul he still would have seen there was a head injury, so why not stop the game? I'd also like him to explain his actions after the Spurs goal. Particularly odd for an official.
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To clarify, I'm talking about the spine of the team, Guzan, Hutton, lescott, Richardson, Westwood, Agbonlahor particularly. Bacuna.
That's not the spine of the team. There is no reason that at least four of those players shouldn't be seeing more than the early round of future cup competitions.
But it is though, these are the players that feature regularly and they will continue to do so unless Remi is ruthless
Ruthless doesn't come into it. Even if he is just competent then Okore, Amavi, Ayew and Gana will be in the team ahead of Lescott, Richardson, Gabby and Westwood.
Our spine should be Guzan/Richards/Gana/Gil/Ayew, the fact that three of them don't play is something that I expect will soon be rectified.
I hope you're right but I'm not expecting to see the back of Westwood/Agbonlahor/Hutton/Guzan anytime soon
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I actually like Westwood, at his best I think he can do a very valuable job. The problem is that we've not seen him at anything like his best this season, and keeping him playing is just going to make him get worse and worse. He needs some bench-time, a good sit-down, until in a few weeks he's ready to replace Sanchez as a substitute and see a game out.
I agree - he definitely has a useful place in the squad, but 'first-choice, undroppable defensive midfielder + playmaker' definitely isn't it.
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Having slept on it I am more than ever convinced that the team selection by McDonald for both the games he has managed indicate firstly a premeditated and deliberate insult to his superiors and secondly it shows in stark clarity the split between the established players and the newcomers. All the evidence indicates that Sherwood and McDonald and Wilkins if he could muster any kind of view, took the side of the predominantly British clique against the predominantly French group.
McDonald knew he was toast once Fox and the board were clearly going to bring in a French team. His reaction was like the employee who knows he is about to be justifiably sacked and uses what time he has left to be destructive.
He is banking on being able to spread his hands, shrug his shoulders and claim that he acted in good faith citing stuff like Gana not being in the squad because he did not impress in training and Agbonlahor getting the hook due to injury. Under military law that is termed "dumb insolence", the showing of disrespect for superiors and dereliction of duties by default.
That is precisely what McDonald did last night and a measure of whether or not the club can recover will be able to be made by the board's reaction to it. They should have him on the carpet this morning and shout at him until his ears fall off. He made the club look bereft and ridiculous and moreover he did it premeditatedly. If the whole insulting farago goes unpunished and the spelling of the manager's name in social media is regarded as more serious, the plotting and disruption will simply get buried and return at some future time of crisis.
Under Garde the new players, and hopefully the likes of Gil, Kozak and Bunn will get proper consideration and the English speaking clique put firmly in their place. The sun should have set on one or two careers last night.
Brian - this is just paranoid bullshit. If you truly believe Mcdonald wanted to lose last night you are just deluded. The team may not have been what you or I would have picked, but lets face it the players we would have picked haven't been contributing to winning games much this season have they? He went with players he knew and hoped he could trust. Odd yes. Malicious? Get a grip.
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I actually like Westwood, at his best I think he can do a very valuable job. The problem is that we've not seen him at anything like his best this season, and keeping him playing is just going to make him get worse and worse. He needs some bench-time, a good sit-down, until in a few weeks he's ready to replace Sanchez as a substitute and see a game out.
I agree - he definitely has a useful place in the squad, but 'first-choice, undroppable defensive midfielder + playmaker' definitely isn't it.
Couldn't agree more Dave.
The all-knowing Motson called him "Aston Villa's most creative player" last night as he was taken off, ffs!
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Just read in the Graun that the FA gave us the option of picking Richards last night or next week. (I posted that as I hadn't seen it mentioned here yet).
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Just read in the Graun that the FA gave us the option of picking Richards last night or next week. (I posted that as I hadn't seen it mentioned here yet).
Fair play to them if they did. I would have picked last night as surely that was the game with more chance of us getting something out of it.
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To clarify, I'm talking about the spine of the team, Guzan, Hutton, lescott, Richardson, Westwood, Agbonlahor particularly. Bacuna.
That's not the spine of the team. There is no reason that at least four of those players shouldn't be seeing more than the early round of future cup competitions.
But it is though, these are the players that feature regularly and they will continue to do so unless Remi is ruthless
Ruthless doesn't come into it. Even if he is just competent then Okore, Amavi, Ayew and Gana will be in the team ahead of Lescott, Richardson, Gabby and Westwood.
Our spine should be Guzan/Richards/Gana/Gil/Ayew, the fact that three of them don't play is something that I expect will soon be rectified.
Except for Guzan. It is VITAL that he is replaced if we are to have any chance of surviving the drop.
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To clarify, I'm talking about the spine of the team, Guzan, Hutton, lescott, Richardson, Westwood, Agbonlahor particularly. Bacuna.
That's not the spine of the team. There is no reason that at least four of those players shouldn't be seeing more than the early round of future cup competitions.
But it is though, these are the players that feature regularly and they will continue to do so unless Remi is ruthless
Ruthless doesn't come into it. Even if he is just competent then Okore, Amavi, Ayew and Gana will be in the team ahead of Lescott, Richardson, Gabby and Westwood.
Our spine should be Guzan/Richards/Gana/Gil/Ayew, the fact that three of them don't play is something that I expect will soon be rectified.
Except for Guzan. It is VITAL that he is replaced if we are to have any chance of surviving the drop.
Well yes - given his form this season, he needs to get back to where he was in 2012 pretty sharpish if he doesn't want to be replaced in January.
But as we can't do that for another two months and have the choice of Guzan or Bunn I'd still (just about) stick with him until then.
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I feel compelled to add my thoughts here. Apologies for the slightly long post.
Firstly, whilst I don't fully agree with the lineup KMAC chose, I can see the logic of staying "steady" by essentially having 2 banks of four with Jack roaming. That bit made a bit of sense. However we've never played that way in the last 18 months, so I doubt a week on the training ground is going to see is proficient.
Richards was banned so at centre half I'd imagine his hands were tied into delivering a pairing of Clark and Lescott. I doubt Okore is match fit yet. Hutton, whilst limited, has been the only player other than Richards to truly offer something to the team going both ways. As I say though, he's limited.
Bacuna on the right made sense as he can cross a ball, but with only Gabby to aim at, that didn't really work out well with Bacuna moving infield far too often leaving Hutton isolated.
Jack was floating and doing okay. Gabby couldn't get into the game at all, and as the Sky "pundits" pointed out...he had few touches. Not surprised to see him come off, but frankly I'd have preferred a change of system at half time as Gabby is the ONLY player we have aside from Sinclair who can stretch a team which not only provides goal threat, but also relieves pressure. Gestede does neither unless it's a set piece.
Ayew, for me, was always lively and seems to be growing (strangely) in confidence. A few tricks came off, and he looked strong.
Westwood and Sanchez were ineffectual for me.
Now......we can't give a goal away like we did, anywhere, and expect to stay up. That is our main problem for me. Ignore the attacking for a minute. We've brought in Richards, Lescott, and Amavi, and we're still shipping goals. We need a change in style and perhaps that's a more robust midfield to anchor us.
After that first goal though, we at least looked like we were growing into the game coming up to half time, and then Delle Ali scored a lovely goal as he had literally acres of space.
I was surprised I didn't see Remi Garde jump back on a plane tearing his new contract up after this.
I've said all along that it matters not who comes in....we're probably going down. Spurs is a difficult place to go, but they didn't do anything other than play in 4th gear to beat us. A few quick passes into the forward who was dropping off and the overlappers spinning in behind and we were undone.
That's what is lacking most at our club. Desire. When the Spurs players (pick any other team we've played this year) had the ball, just look at how far our players had to run to close them down in the first instance. This suggests either poor positioning (I can believe it), a poor system (again...), and/or a lack of desire. The issue for me is that I think it was all of the above.
So, drawing a line under this, we will now have a new manager who has a week to do something with this group.
Let's imagine all of our players are fit. Here's what I'd do.
GK: Bunn - Guzan needs some time out of the firing line. He should have saved the first goal, and he's flapping a bit.
DR: Richards - Take one for the team captain
DC: Okore - deserves a chance as has shown glimpses of solidness before.
DC: Clark
DL: Amavi - will make mistakes, but is our best option
MC: Gueye - Can be a rock
MC: Veretout - looks like the only midfield player who can pick up the ball deep, and drive at the opposition. Given too few opportunities.
RW: Traore - Give the lad a go from the start
CAM: Gil - he can't keep coming inside if he's already inside, so let's see what he does from the start, playing in behind somebody.
LW: Ayew - He'll float from that position, and he and Sinclair will swap.
ST: Sinclair - I think his pace is an asset and he can score goals.
Subs:
Guzan
Gabby
Gardner
Senderos
Grealish
Kozak
Westwood
OK, a bit of a gamble, but one I think will provide some steel at the back, with some drive in midfield, and some pace on the wings. Gardner deserves a shot and I'd bring him on against City to test the waters. I've taken Jack out of the side as whilst he looks comfortable on the ball, the positions he's picking up recently have been too deep (not his fault) and he's looking frustrated.
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Kevin Mac has sacrificed himself so that we can be redeemed.
Picking all of our poorest players with the new manager looking on means that Garde doesn't have to waste any more matches selecting the likes of Gabby, Lescott, Bacuna, Clark, Richardson ever again.
That's the only positive way I can spin it.
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27 cup finals
Can we have 27 semi finals instead please? Those tend to go a git better for us.
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1.3 points per game will see us on 39 points and almost certainly staying up. 1.4 sees us on 41/42. Champions League form my arse. Unless someone has finished 4th on 53 points (which is 1.4 per game).
So the level of results Sherwood managed last season then?
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To clarify, I'm talking about the spine of the team, Guzan, Hutton, lescott, Richardson, Westwood, Agbonlahor particularly. Bacuna.
That's not the spine of the team. There is no reason that at least four of those players shouldn't be seeing more than the early round of future cup competitions.
But it is though, these are the players that feature regularly and they will continue to do so unless Remi is ruthless
Ruthless doesn't come into it. Even if he is just competent then Okore, Amavi, Ayew and Gana will be in the team ahead of Lescott, Richardson, Gabby and Westwood.
Our spine should be Guzan/Richards/Gana/Gil/Ayew, the fact that three of them don't play is something that I expect will soon be rectified.
Except for Guzan. It is VITAL that he is replaced if we are to have any chance of surviving the drop.
Well yes - given his form this season, he needs to get back to where he was in 2012 pretty sharpish if he doesn't want to be replaced in January.
But as we can't do that for another two months and have the choice of Guzan or Bunn I'd still (just about) stick with him until then.
I know. He was great in 2012. Ever since his horror show against Man City he just hasn't recovered and has been a liability this season Great shame.
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Kevin Mac has sacrificed himself so that we can be redeemed.
Picking all of our poorest players with the new manager looking on means that Garde doesn't have to waste any more matches selecting the likes of Gabby, Lescott, Bacuna, Clark, Richardson ever again.
That's the only positive way I can spin it.
I thought the same thing. Gabby, Richardson and Clark in particular were so poor he won't need to see them again. Shame Westwood went off in a way. Should also see Gil and Ayew as certain starters as they should've been for weeks.
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well we were awful last night...but strangely we played well for 15/20mins and we could of been 3-2 up if Bacuna's shot had gone in instead of hitting the base of the post and Gestede's header had of been on target instead of bouncing past the near post after Lloris started to flap like a Guzan.
alot of work to be done down the Villa.
UTV
The Doc
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We simply need to start out performing at least three other clubs on a more consistent basis from here on in. We only need to display Champs League form, as far as I can see, if those teams in and around us do the same - that seems unlikely. Two-thirds of a season to go plus a transfer window gives us a huge chance to pull things around: we need to circle the wagons, ignore the shit-stirrers and bullshitters in the media and just focus on ourselves.
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Mike Dean celebrating Spurs goal last night - not for the first time either:
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Kevin Mac has sacrificed himself so that we can be redeemed.
Picking all of our poorest players with the new manager looking on means that Garde doesn't have to waste any more matches selecting the likes of Gabby, Lescott, Bacuna, Clark, Richardson ever again.
That's the only positive way I can spin it.
I thought the same thing. Gabby, Richardson and Clark in particular were so poor he won't need to see them again. Shame Westwood went off in a way. Should also see Gil and Ayew as certain starters as they should've been for weeks.
I thought the same, although I don't agree with the idea Kevin MacD tried to sabotage the club as some are arguing. He's been with us for over twenty years and I would like to think he has some feeling for the club, fans and players. My take on last night was that Kevin wanted to give the likes of Gabby and Richardson the chance to rise to the challenge of impressing the new boss. His selection last night did us all a favour and helped the manager learn a lot.
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Kmac to say Scottie Sinclair was outstanding last night is rather outrageous. But I do feel Sinclair should be played up front or off striker. He's being wasted on that side position. The number 9 managed to create a shooting opportunity for himself first half and would rather have Jordan ayew on that left side cutting in and Sinclair and gestede or Gabby up top as an attacking two.
Having this system of Sinclair and either Gabby, ayew or kozak gestede up front gives far better impetus.
Regards quality last night and moving forward ball retention will be a key .
Sanchez does a job tackling or intercepting then gives the ball straight to opposition.
Gil needs to be starting and is a busy place.
Hutton has merits going up and down but again seems to be in the player as the outball or spare man and most attacking creative player that must b e address . If this is to happen Bacuna must be deployed right side preferably as the midfielder and can get the final ball in far better than Hutton, is a goal threat and has pace. Or we bring Richards to right back. So for me Richards or Bacuna at right back.
Clark and lescott unbalanced as a central pairing.
Gnev showed in analysis how the defence were all wrong side of their players in lead up to first goal.
This was a case of poorly organised defence and even though it's considered basic I think it's an indication of the dissary which will be addressed with Remi and his coaching team.
Agbonlahor was given scraps and needed support plus he's carrying an injury so did as well as he could in what was a one sided half to Spurs.
I'm not convinced by gestede and reminds me of an Andy Carroll one dimensional player. He's also nothing without a support but having the world class player benteke downgraded its always going to look less quality.
Gestede ,the master header, really should have equalised and I think people have bought into his best header of the ball that silly Sherwood saying stuck. I mean Sherwood made many stupid statements but this one is really annoying and only seems to have a grain of truth that he can head the ball in and has stuck. Also if that's the case then there needs to be continuolosly servicing Rudy - showing how incompetent Sherwood was in never doing this.
Speaking of incompetent.
The elbow on Westwood was possibility a accident but Dean has to whistle even if he doesn't deem it foul as the head injury are major and its the rules that erked me as much as Clark ineptitude for the first goal.
The villa goal from some really poor play by Spurs and what's good about ayew had a go and shot something more of the players must do.
Overall 3-1 was a fair reflection though I think 1-0 would be most accurate as the game wasn't a contest or anything after the first goal but Spurs did little too. Eriksen and Kane didn't perform at all and it shows the problem in midfield for villa as Ali scored on edge of area unmakerd.
The positives for me were lescott seemed steady , and Richardson amongst others showed some fight but weren't good enough .
The good thing is got a fresh manager coming in with new ideas and fresh players.
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I saw KMacs team selection as a sign of support for Sherwood. I think the players and staff liked Sherwood, he did sign K Mac and bring him back to Villa, and I think the team was a continuation of what Sherwood would have picked. I hope that Garde is able to bring everyone together. Richards, Grealish and K Mac may resent a new manager as they felt thankful to Timmy for giving them chances.
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MacDonald's assertion that we need to show Champions League form was both bollocks and needless too.
Champions league form would have left us on about 60 points and probably finishing 7/8th. The bloke talks shite. I stopped rating him when we went to Newcastle, newly promoted back, first home game for them and played 5 attacking players and Petrov and got completely mullered. He is brainless.
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I’m not sure about deliberately picking a team to shove two fingers up to the club hierarchy. However, if that is not the case, there must be some special award out there for the most creative way of choosing a team that goes totally against your twenty-plus years of knowledge in football, and your assessment of the players available before you.
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Ayew and Gil have to start on the weekend. Amavi and Richards should both be back in, too. Sanchez is frustrating in that he wins the ball so well, but then often gives it away stupidly, but he has to start, too, I reckon. I'd also play Sinclair as he has genuine quality. He does tend to drift in and out of games, but he could be really useful if played in the right way.
Interestingly, the Italian commentator on the game last night noted after about 15 minutes of Gil being on the pitch that he was the only Villa player that played with his head up.
Didn't think Gestede did too bad last night. He's never going to be great with his feet, but the Spurs defence were clearly rattled by his presence whenever we had a free-kick. I think he won nearly every header he went for, too, although Ayew didn't really manage to pick up the flick-ons.
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I feel compelled to add my thoughts here. Apologies for the slightly long post.
Firstly, whilst I don't fully agree with the lineup KMAC chose, I can see the logic of staying "steady" by essentially having 2 banks of four with Jack roaming. That bit made a bit of sense. However we've never played that way in the last 18 months, so I doubt a week on the training ground is going to see is proficient.
Richards was banned so at centre half I'd imagine his hands were tied into delivering a pairing of Clark and Lescott. I doubt Okore is match fit yet. Hutton, whilst limited, has been the only player other than Richards to truly offer something to the team going both ways. As I say though, he's limited.
Bacuna on the right made sense as he can cross a ball, but with only Gabby to aim at, that didn't really work out well with Bacuna moving infield far too often leaving Hutton isolated.
Jack was floating and doing okay. Gabby couldn't get into the game at all, and as the Sky "pundits" pointed out...he had few touches. Not surprised to see him come off, but frankly I'd have preferred a change of system at half time as Gabby is the ONLY player we have aside from Sinclair who can stretch a team which not only provides goal threat, but also relieves pressure. Gestede does neither unless it's a set piece.
Ayew, for me, was always lively and seems to be growing (strangely) in confidence. A few tricks came off, and he looked strong.
Westwood and Sanchez were ineffectual for me.
Now......we can't give a goal away like we did, anywhere, and expect to stay up. That is our main problem for me. Ignore the attacking for a minute. We've brought in Richards, Lescott, and Amavi, and we're still shipping goals. We need a change in style and perhaps that's a more robust midfield to anchor us.
After that first goal though, we at least looked like we were growing into the game coming up to half time, and then Delle Ali scored a lovely goal as he had literally acres of space.
I was surprised I didn't see Remi Garde jump back on a plane tearing his new contract up after this.
I've said all along that it matters not who comes in....we're probably going down. Spurs is a difficult place to go, but they didn't do anything other than play in 4th gear to beat us. A few quick passes into the forward who was dropping off and the overlappers spinning in behind and we were undone.
That's what is lacking most at our club. Desire. When the Spurs players (pick any other team we've played this year) had the ball, just look at how far our players had to run to close them down in the first instance. This suggests either poor positioning (I can believe it), a poor system (again...), and/or a lack of desire. The issue for me is that I think it was all of the above.
So, drawing a line under this, we will now have a new manager who has a week to do something with this group.
Let's imagine all of our players are fit. Here's what I'd do.
GK: Bunn - Guzan needs some time out of the firing line. He should have saved the first goal, and he's flapping a bit.
DR: Richards - Take one for the team captain
DC: Okore - deserves a chance as has shown glimpses of solidness before.
DC: Clark
DL: Amavi - will make mistakes, but is our best option
MC: Gueye - Can be a rock
MC: Veretout - looks like the only midfield player who can pick up the ball deep, and drive at the opposition. Given too few opportunities.
RW: Traore - Give the lad a go from the start
CAM: Gil - he can't keep coming inside if he's already inside, so let's see what he does from the start, playing in behind somebody.
LW: Ayew - He'll float from that position, and he and Sinclair will swap.
ST: Sinclair - I think his pace is an asset and he can score goals.
Subs:
Guzan
Gabby
Gardner
Senderos
Grealish
Kozak
Westwood
OK, a bit of a gamble, but one I think will provide some steel at the back, with some drive in midfield, and some pace on the wings. Gardner deserves a shot and I'd bring him on against City to test the waters. I've taken Jack out of the side as whilst he looks comfortable on the ball, the positions he's picking up recently have been too deep (not his fault) and he's looking frustrated.
Good post Wiggz. I agree with your team selection as well with the exception of gabby who should not be within 10 miles of the pitch and rudy should be on the bench as he can at least do one thing compared with Gabby's no things.
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Good post Wiggz. I agree with your team selection as well with the exception of gabby who should not be within 10 miles of the pitch and rudy should be on the bench as he can at least do one thing compared with Gabby's no things.
I think the reason why I keep Gabby in there is that he can pop up with a goal or good touch (a-la cross for Ayew against Swansea) and his pace and strength is an asset. I think Sinclair deserves a chance.
I've based my selection on the fact we have no other options until January, so we have to work with what we've got. Westwood needs to be taken out of the firing line, as does Sanchez who isn't the most gifted outside of a destroyer....something that alone, is long gone in the premier league.
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Having slept on it I am more than ever convinced that the team selection by McDonald for both the games he has managed indicate firstly a premeditated and deliberate insult to his superiors and secondly it shows in stark clarity the split between the established players and the newcomers. All the evidence indicates that Sherwood and McDonald and Wilkins if he could muster any kind of view, took the side of the predominantly British clique against the predominantly French group.
McDonald knew he was toast once Fox and the board were clearly going to bring in a French team. His reaction was like the employee who knows he is about to be justifiably sacked and uses what time he has left to be destructive.
He is banking on being able to spread his hands, shrug his shoulders and claim that he acted in good faith citing stuff like Gana not being in the squad because he did not impress in training and Agbonlahor getting the hook due to injury. Under military law that is termed "dumb insolence", the showing of disrespect for superiors and dereliction of duties by default.
That is precisely what McDonald did last night and a measure of whether or not the club can recover will be able to be made by the board's reaction to it. They should have him on the carpet this morning and shout at him until his ears fall off. He made the club look bereft and ridiculous and moreover he did it premeditatedly. If the whole insulting farago goes unpunished and the spelling of the manager's name in social media is regarded as more serious, the plotting and disruption will simply get buried and return at some future time of crisis.
Under Garde the new players, and hopefully the likes of Gil, Kozak and Bunn will get proper consideration and the English speaking clique put firmly in their place. The sun should have set on one or two careers last night.
Brian - this is just paranoid bullshit. If you truly believe Mcdonald wanted to lose last night you are just deluded. The team may not have been what you or I would have picked, but lets face it the players we would have picked haven't been contributing to winning games much this season have they? He went with players he knew and hoped he could trust. Odd yes. Malicious? Get a grip.
Players he could trust? Trust to do what? Lose games?
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Remi's team selection for Sunday is going to be interesting.
I don't believe Kevin Mc sabotaged last night's team but there were some very strange decisions made in that starting 11 & in the team vs Southampton.
Those calling for Okore to play need to remember he's had little or no game time since last May & Traore is nowhere near a starter.
We are carrying too many players & too many look fucked after 60 minutes.
The season starts again on Sunday & again the week after. We need to get a few results before Xmas & hope we can get player's in Jan to make a difference.
It's not beyond hope, yet!
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Perhaps the saddest part about last night and an indication of the mindset is that with a new manager watching from the stands it was an opportunity to show him what they are capable of and show they are prepared to bust a gut for Aston Villa.
With the exception of the players who weren't in the starting eleven, they all pretty much failed. On the plus side we have several players who for whatever bizarre reasons weren't selected to start last night are surely going to improve the side now we know how much playing for Aston Villa means to the likes of Lescott, Guzan, Bacuna, Richardson and our waste of space club captain.
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If Okore needs minutes and everyone knows he needs minutes why wasn't he given minutes against Southampton midweek? Macdonald, just another Aston Villa thicko.
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Guzan
Hutton Okore Richards Amavi
Bacuna Gana Veretout Gil
Sinclair Ayew
Two up top with two wide players who can cross the ball and two ball midfielders who can defend.
Amavi can overlap too so when Gil cuts inside amavi gets forward.
Grealish can come on for Gil or play with him replacing Bacuna gana or veretout if one of middle two
Bacuna can go play in middle if grealish or an impact sub comes on . traroe can play on left or right.
Garde seems a 442 man but the alternate is playing with Rudy
Guzan
Bacuna Richards okore amavi
Veretout Gana Sanchez
Sinclair Gestede Ayew
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Footyskillz, the much maligned poster, coming on here, talking more sense than anyone picking the Villa team this season.
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If Okore needs minutes and everyone knows he needs minutes why wasn't he given minutes against Southampton midweek? Macdonald, just another Aston Villa thicko.
Probably remembered his performance against Southampton last season.
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nice work skillz
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If Okore needs minutes and everyone knows he needs minutes why wasn't he given minutes against Southampton midweek? Macdonald, just another Aston Villa thicko.
Probably remembered his performance against Southampton last season.
Shame he didn't remember every Agbonlahor ''performance'' for the last 4 years as well.
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Footyskillz, the much maligned poster, coming on here, talking more sense than anyone picking the Villa team this season.
I'm having an on day I guess.
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Footyskillz, the much maligned poster, coming on here, talking more sense than anyone picking the Villa team this season.
I'm having an on day I guess.
*applause*
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Footyskillz, the much maligned poster, coming on here, talking more sense than anyone picking the Villa team this season.
I'm having an on day I guess.
*applause*
I like your name.
Let me edit my joke.
When I tuned into sky sports one at 8pm after a few minutes I wasn't sure if I thought I was watching the Muppet show on sky one .
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Guzan
Hutton Okore Richards Amavi
Bacuna Gana Veretout Gil
Sinclair Ayew
Two up top with two wide players who can cross the ball and two ball midfielders who can defend.
Amavi can overlap too so when Gil cuts inside amavi gets forward.
Grealish can come on for Gil or play with him replacing Bacuna gana or veretout if one of middle two
Bacuna can go play in middle if grealish or an impact sub comes on . traroe can play on left or right.
Garde seems a 442 man but the alternate is playing with Rudy
Guzan
Bacuna Richards okore amavi
Veretout Gana Sanchez
Sinclair Gestede Ayew
I'd go
Guzan
Hutton Richards Okore Amavi
Gana Sanchez
Bacuna Sinclair
Gil
Ayew
Veretout, Grealish, Gestede told that there's a place in the starting line up if they prove themselves coming off the bench.
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Maybe kev was trying to show Remi the good and bad, by bringing on the better players later on? Clutching at straws??
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Perhaps the saddest part about last night and an indication of the mindset is that with a new manager watching from the stands it was an opportunity to show him what they are capable of and show they are prepared to bust a gut for Aston Villa.
With the exception of the players who weren't in the starting eleven, they all pretty much failed. On the plus side we have several players who for whatever bizarre reasons weren't selected to start last night are surely going to improve the side now we know how much playing for Aston Villa means to the likes of Lescott, Guzan, Bacuna, Richardson and our waste of space club captain.
Yep. The most charitable reading of MacDonald's bizarre team selection is that he was giving various 'good eggs' and long term squad members a chance to impress their new boss in preference to the nasty fancy foreign players. And what did they do? Played shit, almost to a man.
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Footyskillz, the much maligned poster, coming on here, talking more sense than anyone picking the Villa team this season.
We need the kind of upturn in form footyskillz has shown to translate to the team.
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Guzan
Hutton Okore Richards Amavi
Bacuna Gana Veretout Gil
Sinclair Ayew
Two up top with two wide players who can cross the ball and two ball midfielders who can defend.
Amavi can overlap too so when Gil cuts inside amavi gets forward.
Grealish can come on for Gil or play with him replacing Bacuna gana or veretout if one of middle two
Bacuna can go play in middle if grealish or an impact sub comes on . traroe can play on left or right.
Garde seems a 442 man but the alternate is playing with Rudy
Guzan
Bacuna Richards okore amavi
Veretout Gana Sanchez
Sinclair Gestede Ayew
The only thing I'll say about the 4-4-2 team you picked was the left side. Gil isn't a winger...and he isn't even a wide player...he'll offer Amavi nothing going the other way. I "might" be tempted to play Richardson there you know. I know, I know, but he had an engine, and he can double up. Similarly the right side..Bacuna and Hutton is a stronger unit.
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Footyskillz, the much maligned poster, coming on here, talking more sense than anyone picking the Villa team this season.
I'm having an on day I guess.
*applause*
I like your name.
Let me edit my joke.
When I tuned into sky sports one at 8pm after a few minutes I wasn't sure if I thought I was watching the Muppet show on sky one .
Shoulda quit while you were ahead.
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Remi's team selection for Sunday is going to be interesting.
I don't believe Kevin Mc sabotaged last night's team but there were some very strange decisions made in that starting 11 & in the team vs Southampton.
Those calling for Okore to play need to remember he's had little or no game time since last May & Traore is nowhere near a starter.
We are carrying too many players & too many look fucked after 60 minutes.
The season starts again on Sunday & again the week after. We need to get a few results before Xmas & hope we can get player's in Jan to make a difference.
It's not beyond hope, yet!
I took your final sentiment and thought about it a little.
I still maintain the odds are against us staying up on pure mathematics alone. So I took a little look. Here's what I think, assuming a slight upturn in form, we should realistically be looking at.
November 2015
Aston Villa v Man City Sun 8 Nov 13:30 - Let's write this one off shall we?
Everton v Aston Villa Sat 21 Nov 15:00 - a draw
Aston Villa v Watford Sat 28 Nov 15:00 - A home win is a must
December 2015
Southampton v Aston Villa Sat 5 Dec 15:00 - A draw if we're lucky but I wouldn't bet on that
Aston Villa v Arsenal Sun 13 Dec 13:30 - Lose
Newcastle v Aston Villa Sat 19 Dec 17:30 - Away win
Aston Villa v West Ham Sat 26 Dec 15:00 - Home draw
Norwich v Aston Villa Mon 28 Dec 15:00 - Away win.
So, this is quite presumptuous yes....but I have to believe with the premier league experience we have, and the quality, on paper, that Garde will improve us, even a little bit.
So, with that in mind, it would leave us with, at best, 16 points from 19...again, at best. That, at Christmas, is not good.
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footyskillz has earned his chance of first team football.
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Cunting Harry Kane robbed me of an 8 pointer in the Prediction League.
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Cunting Harry kane. Like it.
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Watching the goals back last night. Sanchez is a lazy fecker. He actually has a look across at Harry Kane before Kane receives the ball and yet made no attempt to get back to cut the ball out. Even Dele Alli's goal, him and Bacuna not marking at all. Bloody terrible. I hope Garde has money to spend because we need four or five players come January. I cannot believe that Richardson gets in ahead of Amavi. Where was Traore and Gana?
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Like a vulgar, non-linear sequel to 'saving private Ryan' perhaps?
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Sanchez looked like he could hardly move after 75 minutes.
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Guzan
Hutton Okore Richards Amavi
Bacuna Gana Veretout Gil
Sinclair Ayew
Two up top with two wide players who can cross the ball and two ball midfielders who can defend.
Amavi can overlap too so when Gil cuts inside amavi gets forward.
Grealish can come on for Gil or play with him replacing Bacuna gana or veretout if one of middle two
Bacuna can go play in middle if grealish or an impact sub comes on . traroe can play on left or right.
Garde seems a 442 man but the alternate is playing with Rudy
Guzan
Bacuna Richards okore amavi
Veretout Gana Sanchez
Sinclair Gestede Ayew
The only thing I'll say about the 4-4-2 team you picked was the left side. Gil isn't a winger...and he isn't even a wide player...he'll offer Amavi nothing going the other way. I "might" be tempted to play Richardson there you know. I know, I know, but he had an engine, and he can double up. Similarly the right side..Bacuna and Hutton is a stronger unit.
Agree. I want to see him in a central role just behind a striker.
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Sanchez looked like he could hardly move after 75 minutes.
KMac joins Lambert and Sherwood on the list of managers who failed to work that out.
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After that abomination of a team selection last night, it's probably best Kev moves on. That's two completely mental sides he's picked in a week and i'm thinking he did it as some sort of 'fuck you' to the board. Either that or he's lost his marbles
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Sanchez looked like he could hardly move after 75 minutes.
I thought he had a decent game. I'm not surprised he tired, he put a shift in and it goes un-noticed sometimes.
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Throwing this in there:
http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~5115327,00.html
Check out the first report from Lee Dixon. Specifically the last bit.. "We thought about the game on the same lines."
I, for one, applaud that if it's true. I think Dixon speaks a lot of sense!
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As soon as Westwood & Sanchez appear in the same starting line up, it was goodnight as far I am concerned!
Have we ever won a game when they both start?
Can you remember when players were not classed as defensive or attacking midfielders, they were just midfielders who could do both?
These pair are our biggest problem, lets hope Garde can get the new guys fit & start with Veretout & Gana.
Remi Garde's Bordeaux & Bleu army !
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Just saw the sky pundits laughing at Gabby, its had not to laugh along with them unfortunately.
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Footyskillz, the much maligned poster, coming on here, talking more sense than anyone picking the Villa team this season.
Except for saying gabby did ok.
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Throwing this in there:
http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~5115327,00.html
Check out the first report from Lee Dixon. Specifically the last bit.. "We thought about the game on the same lines."
I, for one, applaud that if it's true. I think Dixon speaks a lot of sense!
TV likes this
His English is perfect. There will be no communication problems for him.
During the week, Rémi is very calm and talks to the players in a way they like. He is honest and straight with them. The Lyon players respected him immensely.
But on matchday, during the game, he changes. He is very demanding and animated - as the Lyon players found out and as the Villa players will find out.
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Remi's team selection for Sunday is going to be interesting.
I don't believe Kevin Mc sabotaged last night's team but there were some very strange decisions made in that starting 11 & in the team vs Southampton.
Those calling for Okore to play need to remember he's had little or no game time since last May & Traore is nowhere near a starter.
We are carrying too many players & too many look fucked after 60 minutes.
The season starts again on Sunday & again the week after. We need to get a few results before Xmas & hope we can get player's in Jan to make a difference.
It's not beyond hope, yet!
I took your final sentiment and thought about it a little.
I still maintain the odds are against us staying up on pure mathematics alone. So I took a little look. Here's what I think, assuming a slight upturn in form, we should realistically be looking at.
November 2015
Aston Villa v Man City Sun 8 Nov 13:30 - Let's write this one off shall we?
Everton v Aston Villa Sat 21 Nov 15:00 - a draw
Aston Villa v Watford Sat 28 Nov 15:00 - A home win is a must
December 2015
Southampton v Aston Villa Sat 5 Dec 15:00 - A draw if we're lucky but I wouldn't bet on that
Aston Villa v Arsenal Sun 13 Dec 13:30 - Lose
Newcastle v Aston Villa Sat 19 Dec 17:30 - Away win
Aston Villa v West Ham Sat 26 Dec 15:00 - Home draw
Norwich v Aston Villa Mon 28 Dec 15:00 - Away win.
So, this is quite presumptuous yes....but I have to believe with the premier league experience we have, and the quality, on paper, that Garde will improve us, even a little bit.
So, with that in mind, it would leave us with, at best, 16 points from 19...again, at best. That, at Christmas, is not good.
I'd snap your arm and anything else off for 16 points by that stage.
Get that, and double it by the end of the season and you get 32.
Even that might be enough if this season takes a lower points total than usual to beat the drop, but realistically we'd need another 5/ 6 points.
The way this team are playing at present, we'd be doing well to get a points total of 20+
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I really wanted this season not to be playing "Guess the best and worst points" :(
( I have a spreadsheet which includes all the teams in the relegation mini-league - its been enhanced every season.)
I was talking to my work West Ham mate and he said that when they went down, they had to sell their best players... so we have already done that ;)
My Liverpool mate said he believes that we'll be safe, somehow. Can the league give sympathy points?
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For whaty it's worth, I hope Remi gives this line up a try or, something close:
Guzan
Richards Crespo Okore Amavi
Traore Sanchez Veretout Gueye
Gil
Ayew
Subs: Hutton, Grealish, Kozak, Sinclair, Bunn
We can all tinker around with a player here or there but, I honestly think something approaching the above would give all us long suffering supporters a lift. In view of his pace, would like to see Richards at RB and, with Traore's pace as well at least we could try something a little different instead of the garbage we've had so far.
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I keep seeing people complimenting Gestede's performance last night, from anonymous bloggers all the way up to Gary Neville on Sky. I have no idea what they saw. The guy just lurched about chaotically as usual, and even worse his heading (the only reason for picking him) was terrible - his awful flick-ons found no Villa players, his shots were terrible, he never kept the ball when it came to him, he's too slow to press effectively and missed a really good chance to make it 2-2. If he's missing that chance, and not heading the ball to team-mates or holding it up, then what's the point of him being in the team?
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I keep seeing people complimenting Gestede's performance last night, from anonymous bloggers all the way up to Gary Neville on Sky. I have no idea what they saw. The guy just lurched about chaotically as usual, and even worse his heading (the only reason for picking him) was terrible - his awful flick-ons found no Villa players, his shots were terrible, he never kept the ball when it came to him, he's too slow to press effectively and missed a really good chance to make it 2-2. If he's missing that chance, and not heading the ball to team-mates or holding it up, then what's the point of him being in the team?
I thought Rudi had a very positive effect on the team 2nd half. Whatever people think of him he is a handful. That causes mistakes and mistakes lead to goals. Gil also changed things for the better but I don't think the coaches believe he can do it over 90 mins. Monsieur Garde can address these things as from what I've read he is akin to O'Neill when it comes to getting the best out of players.
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I think it was Gil who led to the team looking better, not Gestede. I thought Spurs handled him with laughable ease for the most part.
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I think it was Gil who led to the team looking better, not Gestede. I thought Spurs handled him with laughable ease for the most part.
Laughable ease? I doubt they were laughing when he managed to outjump Lloris to win the ball with his head. Or when Vertonghen had to make a last-ditch challenge to block his goalbound shot. As for his flicks not reaching Villa players, I would be more inclined to attribute that no no Villa player anticipating the flick than expecting Gestede's ability in the air.
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I think it was Gil who led to the team looking better, not Gestede. I thought Spurs handled him with laughable ease for the most part.
There was a post match interview with one of their central defenders. He didn't have a hair out of place, no sweat, he looked like he was about to start the game not just finished one.
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You'll notice both of those happened after Gil came on and there was a bit more space - indeed, Vertonghen's block was after Gil had won the ball and made the chance.
On the headed chance - yes he outjumped Lloris, but he also managed to nod the thing wide when, from his position, it would be easier to score. The goal was huge and he missed. As for the lack of anticipation, well, we'll just have to disagree, but for me it just looked like he was launching himself at the ball and hoping to deflect it somewhere vaguely useful. No, if he's really our best bet up front then we're certainties for relegation, because he's utterly, obviously inadequate.
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His 'goal-bound' shot was missing by miles.
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Guzan
Richards Okore Clark Amavi
Sanchez
Veretout. Gana
Gil
Adama Ayew.
I'd go with this on Sunday.
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Just a little comment about flick ons. The good Strikers actually direct their flick ons, the bad ones let the ball bounce off their heads and put it down to no one ever reading it properly. You can't just head the ball anywhere and expect your co-striker or runners to get on the end of it, you have to put the ball in to certain zones if you can that you know your runners have been told to look out for or gamble on.
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To clarify, I'm talking about the spine of the team, Guzan, Hutton, lescott, Richardson, Westwood, Agbonlahor particularly. Bacuna.
That's the spine of a grass snake.
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1.3 points per game will see us on 39 points and almost certainly staying up. 1.4 sees us on 41/42. Champions League form my arse. Unless someone has finished 4th on 53 points (which is 1.4 per game).
Agreed however if we don't get anything out of the next 3 than it will push up towards 1.5 and to sustain that over 24 games is very hard.
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Guzan
Richards Okore Clark Amavi
Sanchez
Veretout. Gana
Gil
Adama Ayew.
I'd go with this on Sunday.
I'd go with that too
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I keep seeing people complimenting Gestede's performance last night, from anonymous bloggers all the way up to Gary Neville on Sky. I have no idea what they saw. The guy just lurched about chaotically as usual, and even worse his heading (the only reason for picking him) was terrible - his awful flick-ons found no Villa players, his shots were terrible, he never kept the ball when it came to him, he's too slow to press effectively and missed a really good chance to make it 2-2. If he's missing that chance, and not heading the ball to team-mates or holding it up, then what's the point of him being in the team?
Whilst Gestede is not one of our biggest problems, he's also not one of the answers to our problems. When he came on for the last 20 mins vs Man U I thought he looked hopeless. I gave him the benefit of the doubt but I've seen nothing since that suggests he is anything other than a big fucking lump with little or no footballing ability.
Who watched him & thought he could play in the premiership? At best he's an impact player off the bench.
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I think it was Gil who led to the team looking better, not Gestede. I thought Spurs handled him with laughable ease for the most part.
Laughable ease? I doubt they were laughing when he managed to outjump Lloris to win the ball with his head. Or when Vertonghen had to make a last-ditch challenge to block his goalbound shot. As for his flicks not reaching Villa players, I would be more inclined to attribute that no no Villa player anticipating the flick than expecting Gestede's ability in the air.
We were talking about him before the game in the pub and our summation was he is decent with balls played into the box that allow him to attack the ball facing goal. Outside the box and with his back to goal he doesn't really hold the ball up well, nor does he manage to flick on to a teammate. I think this is because there is no understanding with any of our other attackers, but it may be their inadequate movement - or his inability to direct the ball accurately.
With the ball at his feet he just looks clumsy.
He did help unsettle the Spurs defence with a few headers last night but he fluffed the really big chance when outjumping Lloris. The shot he had, I honestly thought he had ballooned it and was amazed we won a corner. I thought Gil was more worthy of credit for our brief rally.
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Just a little comment about flick ons. The good Strikers actually direct their flick ons, the bad ones let the ball bounce off their heads and put it down to no one ever reading it properly. You can't just head the ball anywhere and expect your co-striker or runners to get on the end of it, you have to put the ball in to certain zones if you can that you know your runners have been told to look out for or gamble on.
This is down to a lack of coaching. What you're talking about is a familiarity with each others game that needs to be worked on and then if the runs are wrong or the headers are wrong you can address them and find a way for them to work together. Pundits regularly comment on 'training ground moves' when they're direct from set pieces but you can do just as many of them in open play, you just practice in specific zones/situations and concentrate on movement, both attackers trying to create space and defenders coordinating to stop those gaps. We fail at both right now with too many players finding gaps around our box and us always looking outnumbered going forward. That, and basic skills, should be the core focus of our training for the next few weeks, and slowly ramp up the work rate as well to get us to the point where we're not seeing players looking out on their feet after 70-75minutes (although this has improved a little in the last couple of weeks).
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For whaty it's worth, I hope Remi gives this line up a try or, something close:
Guzan
Richards Crespo Okore Amavi
Traore Sanchez Veretout Gueye
Gil
Ayew
Subs: Hutton, Grealish, Kozak, Sinclair, Bunn
We can all tinker around with a player here or there but, I honestly think something approaching the above would give all us long suffering supporters a lift. In view of his pace, would like to see Richards at RB and, with Traore's pace as well at least we could try something a little different instead of the garbage we've had so far.
I like it apart from I would swap crespo for Richards and have Hutton. I then would stick with it for a few games at least. Everyone speaks of Leicester as a catalyst and i thought that although we through it away sherwood should have percervered with the team and formation that saw us go 2 up. He didn't and we lurched from bad to worse
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Only reason I put Crespo in was to see Richards at full back flying down the wing with his pace and, Crespo was initially a centre back before he ever played at full back.
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I think it was Gil who led to the team looking better, not Gestede. I thought Spurs handled him with laughable ease for the most part.
Laughable ease?? Your kidding right? They struggled greatly with his aerial threat.
He is no Benteke for sure but he can be very useful to us if we play to his strengths. He can cause havoc with the right service and given the chance with some decent tactics from Remi I think other players-especially Ayew- can reap the benefits.My glass is still half full. VTID
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i have only seen gestede in our home games but what i have seen i havent been impressed. very one dimensional, shit touch, doesnt link up play. for such a big bloke he should be battering centre halves and putting himself about.
if he is getting a regular game we will go down, he like many others isnt the quality required for aston villa
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Just a little comment about flick ons. The good Strikers actually direct their flick ons, the bad ones let the ball bounce off their heads and put it down to no one ever reading it properly. You can't just head the ball anywhere and expect your co-striker or runners to get on the end of it, you have to put the ball in to certain zones if you can that you know your runners have been told to look out for or gamble on.
This is down to a lack of coaching. What you're talking about is a familiarity with each others game that needs to be worked on and then if the runs are wrong or the headers are wrong you can address them and find a way for them to work together. Pundits regularly comment on 'training ground moves' when they're direct from set pieces but you can do just as many of them in open play, you just practice in specific zones/situations and concentrate on movement, both attackers trying to create space and defenders coordinating to stop those gaps. We fail at both right now with too many players finding gaps around our box and us always looking outnumbered going forward. That, and basic skills, should be the core focus of our training for the next few weeks, and slowly ramp up the work rate as well to get us to the point where we're not seeing players looking out on their feet after 70-75minutes (although this has improved a little in the last couple of weeks).
Good points paul_e. That first half Spurs corner on their left that was pulled back for Rose to wallop left us clueless. I am sure that wasn't improvised.
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I think it was Gil who led to the team looking better, not Gestede. I thought Spurs handled him with laughable ease for the most part.
Laughable ease?? Your kidding right? They struggled greatly with his aerial threat.
He is no Benteke for sure but he can be very to us if we play to his strengths. He can cause havoc with the right service and given the chance with some decent tactics from Remi I think other players-especially Ayew- can reap the benefits.My glass is still half full. VTID
Thing is, no decent tactics involving the rest of our players involve Gestede. We're not a Pulis team. And no, I'm not kidding about the 'laughable ease' - he scared them once, with a good ball in, and fluffed a chance he should have scored easily. Other than that, what 'havoc' did he cause? I saw him flicking the ball to Vertonghen a lot, as well as some miscontrols and deflected shots from distance going wide. No way was that 'havoc', not in a million years.
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"You're nothing special we lose every week"
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It was interesting to hear Gary Neville speak about us defending like 12 year olds. It does make you wonder what the hell has been going on with our coaching this season:
"It was such a poor start for Aston Villa. The obvious one was Clark getting out-muscled by Dembele in the channel.
"I have no idea why Joleon Lescott is not his side of his man and Kieran Richardson on the far side... They're all stood outside the line of the Tottenham players.
"To start with, the three are the wrong side of their men. I can't understand why you would mark that side of your man when the ball was where it was.
"We've talked about why Lescott didn't get across or the left-back doesn't get across or why Clark is in the situation in the first place. It's because they're all in the wrong position - they're all in bad positions.
"It's patently obvious the ball's going down the channel so to start with he shouldn't even let him have the ball in that channel, he should be stood in there waiting for it. Joleon Lescott is too far away from it, partly because he is in the wrong position to start with.
"It's brilliant work from Dembele, but I have to say from Aston Villa's point of view, this is under-12s and under 13s and 14s with this sort of defending.
"Forget the one-on-one when he gets rolled I'm talking about the defenders not getting goal side of their men.
"That is under-14s and under 12s that's when you get told that sort of thing. I've no idea why all three of them would be in bad positions like that.
"They improved second half Villa. They were working from a pretty low base.
"They got to a point where you thought 'actually there's a game on here'. They had a shot just before they scored that hit the post."
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I think it was Gil who led to the team looking better, not Gestede. I thought Spurs handled him with laughable ease for the most part.
Laughable ease?? Your kidding right? They struggled greatly with his aerial threat.
He is no Benteke for sure but he can be very to us if we play to his strengths. He can cause havoc with the right service and given the chance with some decent tactics from Remi I think other players-especially Ayew- can reap the benefits.My glass is still half full. VTID
Thing is, no decent tactics involving the rest of our players involve Gestede. We're not a Pulis team. And no, I'm not kidding about the 'laughable ease' - he scared them once, with a good ball in, and fluffed a chance he should have scored easily. Other than that, what 'havoc' did he cause? I saw him flicking the ball to Vertonghen a lot, as well as some miscontrols and deflected shots from distance going wide. No way was that 'havoc', not in a million years.
Well right now we ain't got many options. Gabby has retired without telling anybody and we need to find an effective way to pick up points. I hate everything Pulls stands for.if the new boss can get us playing nice flowing football AND picking up the points we badly need no one will be happier than me. BUT Remi has no choice but to play the cards he's been dealt for now. We need the points and if using a big target man is an option then Gestede will have to be the man Or Kozack if anyone knows where he is.
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Again, this weird idea that good football and results are somehow incompatible. Where does it come from? Is it some Christian guilt thing or something? Our best players are suited to passing and the practical way to play is, therefore, passing. Gestede, not being one of our better players, has no say on the matter.
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I keep seeing people complimenting Gestede's performance last night, from anonymous bloggers all the way up to Gary Neville on Sky. I have no idea what they saw. The guy just lurched about chaotically as usual, and even worse his heading (the only reason for picking him) was terrible - his awful flick-ons found no Villa players, his shots were terrible, he never kept the ball when it came to him, he's too slow to press effectively and missed a really good chance to make it 2-2. If he's missing that chance, and not heading the ball to team-mates or holding it up, then what's the point of him being in the team?
Whilst Gestede is not one of our biggest problems, he's also not one of the answers to our problems. When he came on for the last 20 mins vs Man U I thought he looked hopeless. I gave him the benefit of the doubt but I've seen nothing since that suggests he is anything other than a big fucking lump with little or no footballing ability.
Who watched him & thought he could play in the premiership? At best he's an impact player off the bench.
Working on the basis that he was one of the few new signings to get regular game time, I'm going to guess our much lamented former manager and PFB (proper football bloke) Mr. Timothy Alan Sherwood.
Either that or someone from Sunderland recommended him, knowing that we'd both be in the shit this season and every little (dis)advantage counts.
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Again, this weird idea that good football and results are somehow incompatible. Where foes it come from? Is it some Christian guilt thing or something? Our best players are suited to passing and the practical way to play is, therefore, passing. Gestede, not being one of our better players, has no say on the matter.
Agree with that. Our best two periods results wise in the last five years (end of Lambert's first season and run up to and including West Ham under Sherwood last season) coincided with our best periods of passing football.
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I think it was Gil who led to the team looking better, not Gestede. I thought Spurs handled him with laughable ease for the most part.
I haven't read the thread, but, voice still croaky from last night, totally agree with this. What Gil offered compared to Grealish was light years ahead. And once Ayew got his goal his hunger and confidence ramped up.
There was the good BBC article about happiness and football on 'world happiness day' or something a few months back, about unexpected joys (fits with what I read of spoiled gooners leaving a cup final early and not even seeing the trophy lifted).
To have gone from those sucker punches at either end of the first half, to having a spell when the away end is literally bouncing with energy at the real possibility of scraping a point was actually joyous. I hope the sound/energy was well picked up in the coverage?
As painful as many bits of last night were, that was such a blast, it left me in a good mood.
In Rémi I sense a good, and wise man. I think the fight and support before and after that goal left some hope.
I'm guessing it's all been said earlier in the thread, but (apart from overdoing the taking the mick out of ourselves) I thought at least the fans did us proud, and I'm left with threads of hope...
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Guzan
Hutton Okore Richards Amavi
Bacuna Gana Veretout Gil
Sinclair Ayew
Two up top with two wide players who can cross the ball and two ball midfielders who can defend.
Amavi can overlap too so when Gil cuts inside amavi gets forward.
Grealish can come on for Gil or play with him replacing Bacuna gana or veretout if one of middle two
Bacuna can go play in middle if grealish or an impact sub comes on . traroe can play on left or right.
Garde seems a 442 man but the alternate is playing with Rudy
Guzan
Bacuna Richards okore amavi
Veretout Gana Sanchez
Sinclair Gestede Ayew
Footyskillz you take a fair bit of stick on H@V so it warmed my heart reading fellow Villains praising you. UTV
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A point was made to me during last nights game. Namely that seven years ago Richardson was playing alongside Geoff Horsfield at lowly Smethwick. That he is anywhere near our first team now says a lot about us in recent times.
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A point was made to me during last nights game. Namely that seven years ago Richardson was playing alongside Geoff Horsfield at lowly Smethwick. That he is anywhere near our first team now says a lot about us in recent times.
That was 10 years ago when he was on loan as a 20 year old. A year or so later he was receiving a Premier League winner's medal.
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Subversive is the only word to describe McDonald's team selection last night; he should be kicked out as there is clearly a clique which needs to be addressed quickly by Garde, with support from above. I honestly would not have made the trip if I'd have seen the line up before I caught the coach at VP at 3.00 p.m., not returning to Shrewsbury until 2.05 a.m. this morning.
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Subversive is the only word to describe McDonald's team selection last night; he should be kicked out as there is clearly a clique which needs to be addressed quickly by Garde, with support from above. I honestly would not have made the trip if I'd have seen the line up before I caught the coach at VP at 3.00 p.m., not returning to Shrewsbury until 2.05 a.m. this morning.
I know the feeling. I left Manchester at 11am. admittedly had lunch in Farringdon with the other half - who enjoyed her first away of the season. But got back to Manchester at 2am.
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Really hope we see the last of Gabby now!
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A point was made to me during last nights game. Namely that seven years ago Richardson was playing alongside Geoff Horsfield at lowly Smethwick. That he is anywhere near our first team now says a lot about us in recent times.
I don't understand how that says anything about us in recent times, David Beckham played for Preston North End in Division 3 and eight years later was playing alongside Zinedine Zidane for Real Madrid having won all there is to win with Manchester United in the meantime. I'm not saying Richardson is any good but it's a strange example to use.
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Errrrr..........
My only comment on the match!
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A point was made to me during last nights game. Namely that seven years ago Richardson was playing alongside Geoff Horsfield at lowly Smethwick. That he is anywhere near our first team now says a lot about us in recent times.
I don't understand how that says anything about us in recent times, David Beckham played for Preston North End in Division 3 and eight years later was playing alongside Zinedine Zidane for Real Madrid having won all there is to win with Manchester United in the meantime. I'm not saying Richardson is any good but it's a strange example to use.
Far more worrying would be the ability to equate Horsfield then and Gabby now in terms of their impact on a game.
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I'm not worrying too much about this game, we were led by someone who isn't a manager, like the other 10 games this season.