Tottenham vs Aston Villa Post-match thread

[glasses]

Whilst we were poor in defence and conceded three really soft goals, the FA and mike Dean pissed me off last night. Richards being banned for last night a couple of hours before KO. How were we supposed to prepare for the match? Then Mike Dean giving the full 'homer' referee performance, including missing one of our players getting a whack to the face and playing on for what seemed like ages with added 'celebrate first goal like you scored it' Twat.

[ChicagoLion]

When the alternative to Richards is Clark, Gbby is Gestede and Amavi is Richardson you get to understand how bad this team and squad is.There is hardly a decen Premier League level player to be seen.I think people are kidding themselves if they think it is down to team selections.

Westwood was preferred to Gana. Bacuna was preferred to Gil. Gabby was preferred to Ayew. Richardson was preferred to Amavi. Lescott was preferred to Okore.

Those are team selections, and very bad ones at that. There aren't decent Premier League players to be seen if we choose not to pick all of our best players.

And we have seen all those players getting the same results.

Have we? When was the last time that the five who played last night were missing and the five who didn't start were in their places?

You have more faith in Gana Ayew Amavi than I do. Okore is stlll injured and you are allways going to have injuries and suspensions, when you look at the players we have there is a glaring lack of PL quality. I know that is not a popular view on here.

[Monty]

Well you haven't exactly given them a chance - ten games of hardly playing under the most laughable 'manager' in the country. You may well be right, but we'll only be able to judge once Remi's had them for a few weeks.

[passitsideways]

When the alternative to Richards is Clark, Gbby is Gestede and Amavi is Richardson you get to understand how bad this team and squad is.There is hardly a decen Premier League level player to be seen.I think people are kidding themselves if they think it is down to team selections.
This is a squad set up for relegation.

Spot on.

There's just not enough goals in the team to give us a sniff of staying up. You can't expect Ayew, Gestede, Gabby,Kozak to score more than 15 league goals between them. When you couple that with a back five thats guaranteed to make at least one horrific howler a game, it really does look bleak.

I'm sure Garde will settle quickly on a preferred formation and starting eleven - that'll help steady is. But the glaring difficiences in the the squad far outweigh any positives.

Except for the fact that Ayew and Gestede, despite all their adaptation problems and the often pitiful service, have combined to score 5 goals in 11 matches which, while nothing to write home about, translates to more than 15 goals over 38 games.

As for this stuff about how shit the backups are, well, that's pretty much how it is when it comes to bottom-half Premier League squads.

[Villafirst]

I thought Okore declared himself fit last week?? People were saying it was great to have him available again?? There's no way Dembele would've brushed aside Okore like he did with Clark for that opening goal. I see conceding in the last minute is still happening. Staggering the amount of late goals conceded.

[Percy McCarthy]

When the alternative to Richards is Clark, Gbby is Gestede and Amavi is Richardson you get to understand how bad this team and squad is.There is hardly a decen Premier League level player to be seen.I think people are kidding themselves if they think it is down to team selections.
This is a squad set up for relegation.

Spot on.

There's just not enough goals in the team to give us a sniff of staying up. You can't expect Ayew, Gestede, Gabby,Kozak to score more than 15 league goals between them. When you couple that with a back five thats guaranteed to make at least one horrific howler a game, it really does look bleak.

I'm sure Garde will settle quickly on a preferred formation and starting eleven - that'll help steady is. But the glaring difficiences in the the squad far outweigh any positives.

If you add Sinclair they've already got 12 and Kozak hasn't played.

[Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle]

Having slept on it I am more than ever convinced that the team selection by McDonald for both the games he has managed indicate firstly a premeditated and deliberate insult to his superiors and secondly it shows in stark clarity the split between the established players and the newcomers.  All the evidence indicates that Sherwood and McDonald and Wilkins if he could muster any kind of view, took the side of the predominantly British clique against the predominantly French group.

McDonald knew he was toast once Fox and the board were clearly going to bring in a French team. His reaction was like the employee who knows he is about to be justifiably sacked and uses what time he has left to be destructive.

He is banking on being able to spread his hands, shrug his shoulders and claim that he acted in good faith citing stuff like Gana not being in the squad because he did not impress in training and Agbonlahor getting the hook due to injury.  Under military law that is termed "dumb insolence", the showing of disrespect for superiors and dereliction of duties by default.

That is precisely what McDonald did last night and a measure of whether or not the club can recover will be able to be made by the board's reaction to it. They should have him on the carpet this morning and shout at him until his ears fall off. He made the club look bereft and ridiculous and moreover he did it premeditatedly.  If the whole insulting farago goes unpunished and the spelling of the manager's name in social media is regarded as more serious, the plotting and disruption will simply get buried and return at some future time of crisis.

Under Garde the new players, and hopefully the likes of  Gil, Kozak and Bunn will get proper consideration and the English speaking clique put firmly in their place.  The sun should have set on one or two careers last night.

Completely agree Brian. I'm not one for conspiracy theories but that team selection was akin to scuppering the boat last night. I used to think that MacDonald had something about him. He's come in at some pretty horrible times to look after the team and has done well. This latest stint was venomous and vindictive. I hope his connection with Aston Villa is severed for good.

[The Edge]

Well you haven't exactly given them a chance - ten games of hardly playing under the most laughable 'manager' in the country. You may well be right, but we'll only be able to judge once Remi's had them for a few weeks.

WEEKS? LOL. he's not the Messiah you know.

[Phil from the upper holte]

To clarify, I'm talking about the spine of the team, Guzan, Hutton, lescott, Richardson, Westwood, Agbonlahor particularly. Bacuna.

That's not the spine of the team. There is no reason that at least four of those players shouldn't be seeing more than the early round of future cup competitions.

But it is though, these are the players that feature regularly and they will continue to do so unless Remi is ruthless

[taylorsworkrate]

A few hours after  Lerner in his statment ,regarding Garde becoming boss mentions our aggressive purchasing in the summer and KMAC leaves all those players out ...

Whatever agenda he was working towards tonight it wasn't to benefit Aston Villa Football Club. Borderline sabotage.

The cynical side of me thinks it was a massive "Fuck you Remi" from Macdonald.

[PaulWinch again]

A few hours after  Lerner in his statment ,regarding Garde becoming boss mentions our aggressive purchasing in the summer and KMAC leaves all those players out ...

Whatever agenda he was working towards tonight it wasn't to benefit Aston Villa Football Club. Borderline sabotage.

The cynical side of me thinks it was a massive "Fuck you Remi" from Macdonald.

It was that bad of a selection that I don't think there is any doubt.

[Monty]

To clarify, I'm talking about the spine of the team, Guzan, Hutton, lescott, Richardson, Westwood, Agbonlahor particularly. Bacuna.

That's not the spine of the team. There is no reason that at least four of those players shouldn't be seeing more than the early round of future cup competitions.

But it is though, these are the players that feature regularly and they will continue to do so unless Remi is ruthless

Guzan and Hutton aside I'd be surprised to see any of them feature in the next match. Well, oddly maybe Bacuna could sneak in, but I'm not quite sure how. Other than that, there'll be no Gabby, no Westwood, no Lescott and no Richardson. I'm sure of it.

[The Edge]

I've had a kip now and time to digest last night.
Point 1. Mcdonald was clearly making a statement to the club by snubbing the recent signings and making us a laughing stock on national tv. He has got to be sacked.
2. Gabbys has taken early retirement without telling anyone. He's an embarrassment as club captain.
3. We have the worst defence  (including the worst keeper) I have seen at The Villa.
4. We will be back. Hopefully Garde is the man to do it. If not we WILL be back because we are Aston Villa an after the current regime is long gone into the sunset the hordes of us will still be here supporting the club we love. VTID

[phantom limb]

Whilst we were poor in defence and conceded three really soft goals, the FA and mike Dean pissed me off last night. Richards being banned for last night a couple of hours before KO. How were we supposed to prepare for the match? Then Mike Dean giving the full 'homer' referee performance, including missing one of our players getting a whack to the face and playing on for what seemed like ages with added 'celebrate first goal like you scored it' Twat.

Mike Dean saw Westwood getting hit in the face as it was right in front of him, he couldn't miss it. The replay clearly showed him shaking his head and mouthing "no" as he didn't think it was a foul. He's a very poor referee who regularly seems to give decisions against us, perhaps not out of malice but just sheer incompetence. I don't think we've ever won a game that he has been in charge of.

[Dave]

To clarify, I'm talking about the spine of the team, Guzan, Hutton, lescott, Richardson, Westwood, Agbonlahor particularly. Bacuna.

That's not the spine of the team. There is no reason that at least four of those players shouldn't be seeing more than the early round of future cup competitions.

But it is though, these are the players that feature regularly and they will continue to do so unless Remi is ruthless

Ruthless doesn't come into it. Even if he is just competent then Okore, Amavi, Ayew and Gana will be in the team ahead of Lescott, Richardson, Gabby and Westwood.

Our spine should be Guzan/Richards/Gana/Gil/Ayew, the fact that three of them don't play is something that I expect will soon be rectified.