Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: dave.woodhall on June 05, 2012, 02:33:39 AM
-
It's at Villa Park 1pm tomorrow (Wednesday) and the club have asked for as many as possible of us to get down there and give him a good welcome.
-
Should be an incredible improvement on last years version, let's get behind PL and show him how we can support the manager.
-
It'd be great to see a big turn-out for this. We've got the manager that a large number of us wanted so let's show that we're right behind from the outset.
-
Nothing in my diary tomorrow, so I'll be there.
-
It'd be great to see a big turn-out for this. We've got the manager that a large number of us wanted so let's show that we're right behind from the outset.
Well, if your location is correct VillaSpen I don't expect you to be at the Villa today! - except in spirit, of course.
-
kids on holiday so i think i will go!
-
Can't make it up there today, but I might just ring the ticket office and sing 'Paul Lambert's Claret & Blue army' for 4 solid minutes.
-
Can't make it up there today, but I might just ring the ticket office and sing 'Paul Lambert's Claret & Blue army' for 4 solid minutes.
You can ring me and I'll put you on loudspeaker if you want.
-
It's at Villa Park 1pm tomorrow (Wednesday) and the club have asked for as many as possible of us to get down there and give him a good welcome.
Are you selling programmes?
-
How stupid doing it tomorrow. Why not do it today or yesterday, when most of us are off work?
I'd have loved to go down for this.
-
I'm guessing for staff reasons they couldn't do it today, but it would have been good as they would have got a few hundred people down there, it's better than watching yet more Queenvision.
-
Agreed, missed opportunity for massive crowd had they done it today. Wonder if lot of press off for bank holiday though?
-
How stupid doing it tomorrow. Why not do it today or yesterday, when most of us are off work?
I'd have loved to go down for this.
hear hear!
-
Today would have been better I'd have gone
-
How many chairs will there be?
I'm going to be ready to protest if Messi isn't unveiled with him!
-
How stupid doing it tomorrow. Why not do it today or yesterday, when most of us are off work?
I'd have loved to go down for this.
A lot of the press and TV are off work too.
-
Oh well, the kids are still off school aren't they? Should ensure a good turn-out, as long as they hear about it.
-
The club will hopefully send a text, email etc... They seem to for everything else!
-
How stupid doing it tomorrow. Why not do it today or yesterday, when most of us are off work?
I'd have loved to go down for this.
Not stupid at all. there are lots of reason why today or yesterday is not suitable. This is a Press conference and lot of normal press are also on holiday. However the biggest reason is that all TV channels and papers are pre-occupied with the Queen's ability to be still walking around at the right old age.
-
SATs marking workload permitting, I'll be there.
-
Im going to take the kids to Aston Hall in the morning so will definitely be there
-
They must have a good reason for not doing it when more are off work but unfortunately it rules me out.
Usually I'd go anyway but I basically have two days to do a weeks work before swanning off to Dorset for a week.
Hopefully they'll still get a big turn out. I'm sure they will.
-
They must have a good reason for not doing it when more are off work but unfortunately it rules me out.
Usually I'd go anyway but I basically have two days to do a weeks work before swanning off to Dorset for a week.
Hopefully they'll still get a big turn out. I'm sure they will.
Of course they have a good reason. It's work, therefore it's on a work day. Every new manager press conference takes place during the week; Villa are just telling supporters in advance rather than not bothering to keep us informed, which has always been the case before.
-
I'm just waiting for it to be all Faulkner's fault.
-
There will be enough supporters there now to make a shot on the TV news and to create a positive voxpop.
That's good as far as I'm concerned.
-
There will be enough supporters there now to make a shot on the TV news and to create a positive voxpop.
That's good as far as I'm concerned.
Agreed. It is unfortunate that some people have to work but with the bank holiday there will still be enough to hear about this and go to give a good atmosphere, maybe not a Geordie welcome (it helps when the ground is five mins from the city centre) but 500 or so can seem big if the cameras shoot it right. It will certainly put the TMS demonstrators to shame.
-
It will probably be a lot of the same people, but in a good mood.
What did they have against Test Match Special anyway? I rather like it.
-
500 or so can seem big if the cameras shoot it right
5 would be enough to work with, frankly. It's been done.
-
500 or so can seem big if the cameras shoot it right
5 would be enough to work with, frankly. It's been done.
Depends on the spin the news channels put on it. I can see Sky showing the 5 and saying that shows how fickle the fans are. Whereas Central might have the camera in with them to give the impression of lots.
-
How stupid doing it tomorrow. Why not do it today or yesterday, when most of us are off work?
I'd have loved to go down for this.
Maybe the people who work at Villa, including Paul Lambert, wanted some days off with the family. Paul Lambert, especially, is going to have a very busy next couple of months.
-
500 or so can seem big if the cameras shoot it right
5 would be enough to work with, frankly. It's been done.
Depends on the spin the news channels put on it. I can see Sky showing the 5 and saying that shows how fickle the fans are. Whereas Central might have the camera in with them to give the impression of lots.
I dunno, Sky wouldn't play the story down. It kind of undermines their reason for running it. It'll be a quiet news day tomorrow, I can see it being covered quite prominently.
-
Forgive my cynicism but... aren't we in danger of looking a bit 'Geordie'? Encouraging lots of people to hang about outside an empty stadium ready to welcome the latest messiah for the tv cameras.
-
Forgive my cynicism but... aren't we in danger of looking a bit 'Geordie'? Encouraging lots of people to hang about outside an empty stadium ready to welcome the latest messiah for the tv cameras.
No.
-
I see nothing but good in welcoming a new manager with lots of positive support. It's something I won't criticise the Geordies for and they're not the only fans that do it.
If there's anything in it will send a message to the players that we're backing this guy so you'd better pull your finger out. No hiding this season.
-
If the crowd are behind the manager from the start, it does show the players that they can't play shit and point to unpopular manager, and it shows a positive side after the protests last year.
As for the day it is on, I don't really see an issue, it is bank holiday and Lambert will have a lot to sort with his family, talk to Culverhouse and Karsa, and get ready to move.
-
I agree, it's a great idea. Positive vibes and all that.
-
Forgive my cynicism but... aren't we in danger of looking a bit 'Geordie'? Encouraging lots of people to hang about outside an empty stadium ready to welcome the latest messiah for the tv cameras.
Barcelona or Real Madrid always wheel out the latest signing and have him juggle balls in front flashing cameras, TV and 50,0000 fans. There's nothing small time about giving our new manager some love and respect. We all need a pick me up actually after the near disaster that was last season. I'd love to be there. In fact the only thing that is small time is the way we acted as a club on and off the field in the past two seasons. Not much has gone right. I wouldn't follow everything the Geordies do, but they do get behind their team and we could do a lot worse than show a bit more passion now and again.
-
As for the day it is on, I don't really see an issue, it is bank holiday and Lambert will have a lot to sort with his family, talk to Culverhouse and Karsa, and get ready to move.
Sorry, I have been out the loop. Is it confirmed that Culverhouse and Karsa are coming, or do we find out tomorrow?
-
Forgive my cynicism but... aren't we in danger of looking a bit 'Geordie'? Encouraging lots of people to hang about outside an empty stadium ready to welcome the latest messiah for the tv cameras.
Isn`t this what sets Brummies aside from Geordies and Scousers ? Liverpool and Newcastle folk are very passionate about the game whereas Birmingham folk less so? - Having lived and worked in Brum for 30+ years and now Merseyside 17+ years there is a discernible difference between the cities in their expression of fondness for the game and their clubs.
Its generally a topic introduced into many a conversation - when I lived in Brum it was less the case.
Kinda reminds me of when Brum was going for the Olympics and most people I spoke with couldn`t care less..
I am a Brummie and proud of it - but we just don`t get too excited do we ?
-
As for the day it is on, I don't really see an issue, it is bank holiday and Lambert will have a lot to sort with his family, talk to Culverhouse and Karsa, and get ready to move.
Sorry, I have been out the loop. Is it confirmed that Culverhouse and Karsa are coming, or do we find out tomorrow?
Certainly not confirmed yet, but whether or not we'll find out tomorrow I don't know!
-
I've not got anything planned for tomorrow, so will try to get down for it
-
Forgive my cynicism but... aren't we in danger of looking a bit 'Geordie'? Encouraging lots of people to hang about outside an empty stadium ready to welcome the latest messiah for the tv cameras.
Isn`t this what sets Brummies aside from Geordies and Scousers ? Liverpool and Newcastle folk are very passionate about the game whereas Birmingham folk less so? - Having lived and worked in Brum for 30+ years and now Merseyside 17+ years there is a discernible difference between the cities in their expression of fondness for the game and their clubs.
Its generally a topic introduced into many a conversation - when I lived in Brum it was less the case.
Kinda reminds me of when Brum was going for the Olympics and most people I spoke with couldn`t care less..
I am a Brummie and proud of it - but we just don`t get too excited do we ?
Scousers and Geordies are no more passionate about the game. They're just... noisier. In both a good and bad way.
-
Eh Eh calm down. You tryin to start summat?
-
Forgive my cynicism but... aren't we in danger of looking a bit 'Geordie'? Encouraging lots of people to hang about outside an empty stadium ready to welcome the latest messiah for the tv cameras.
I don't give a flying fuck how we look to anyone else. We've got the manager we wanted, lets celebrate it.
-
Forgive my cynicism but... aren't we in danger of looking a bit 'Geordie'?
No chance. You should know by now all Villa supporters have a six pack, not to mention a shirt.
-
There's a big difference between opening up the stadium for Michael Owen, with a Sky reporter whipping the 20,000 strong crowd into a frenzy; and Villa inviting a few fans down to give the new manager a bit of a welcome. Paul Lambert wants to be here for a start.
-
Nothing planned tomorrow, will get down there to show some support. Will make a world of difference to this time last year outside VP.
-
There's a big difference between opening up the stadium for Michael Owen, with a Sky reporter whipping the 20,000 strong crowd into a frenzy; and Villa inviting a few fans down to give the new manager a bit of a welcome. Paul Lambert wants to be here for a start.
Now if that shouty bellend Jim White turned up I would have to go down there just to shit on his car.
-
Will there be cake?
-
There's a big difference between opening up the stadium for Michael Owen, with a Sky reporter whipping the 20,000 strong crowd into a frenzy; and Villa inviting a few fans down to give the new manager a bit of a welcome. Paul Lambert wants to be here for a start.
Now if that shouty bellend Jim White turned up I would have to go down there just to shit on his car.
Hahahaha quality Maz !!
-
Will there be cake?
They should do punch and pie. More people will show up if there's punch and pie.
-
So how did it go? I just want to hear the man talk about the Villa.. any videos up of the presser?
-
It's tomorrow.
-
Forgive my cynicism but... aren't we in danger of looking a bit 'Geordie'? Encouraging lots of people to hang about outside an empty stadium ready to welcome the latest messiah for the tv cameras.
Isn`t this what sets Brummies aside from Geordies and Scousers ? Liverpool and Newcastle folk are very passionate about the game whereas Birmingham folk less so? - Having lived and worked in Brum for 30+ years and now Merseyside 17+ years there is a discernible difference between the cities in their expression of fondness for the game and their clubs.
Its generally a topic introduced into many a conversation - when I lived in Brum it was less the case.
Kinda reminds me of when Brum was going for the Olympics and most people I spoke with couldn`t care less..
I am a Brummie and proud of it - but we just don`t get too excited do we ?
Scousers and Geordies are no more passionate about the game. They're just... noisier. In both a good and bad way.
They have nothing else to do up there.
-
Forgive my cynicism but... aren't we in danger of looking a bit 'Geordie'? Encouraging lots of people to hang about outside an empty stadium ready to welcome the latest messiah for the tv cameras.
No.
Yes.
-
Forgive my cynicism but... aren't we in danger of looking a bit 'Geordie'? Encouraging lots of people to hang about outside an empty stadium ready to welcome the latest messiah for the tv cameras.
No.
Yes.
So Real Marid and Barcelona are also a bit 'Geordie' if they do the same?
-
Forgive my cynicism but... aren't we in danger of looking a bit 'Geordie'? Encouraging lots of people to hang about outside an empty stadium ready to welcome the latest messiah for the tv cameras.
No.
Yes.
So Real Marid and Barcelona are also a bit 'Geordie' if they do the same?
They are a bit Spanish.
-
Forgive my cynicism but... aren't we in danger of looking a bit 'Geordie'? Encouraging lots of people to hang about outside an empty stadium ready to welcome the latest messiah for the tv cameras.
Isn`t this what sets Brummies aside from Geordies and Scousers ? Liverpool and Newcastle folk are very passionate about the game whereas Birmingham folk less so? - Having lived and worked in Brum for 30+ years and now Merseyside 17+ years there is a discernible difference between the cities in their expression of fondness for the game and their clubs.
Its generally a topic introduced into many a conversation - when I lived in Brum it was less the case.
Kinda reminds me of when Brum was going for the Olympics and most people I spoke with couldn`t care less..
I am a Brummie and proud of it - but we just don`t get too excited do we ?
Scousers and Geordies are no more passionate about the game. They're just... noisier. In both a good and bad way.
Hi Maz, I have sneeking suspicion you have no love for Scousers and that is your perogotive - however based upon living on Merseyside for many years I have enjoyed the experience of sharing my love of the game with colleagues, friends, strangers, young, old, male and female... It is always a topic for conversation. The same goes for when I have worked in the North East, there is a desire and passion to talk about the game. I never get that feeling when in in Brum - I am not saying that Brummie football fans are less passionate I just don`t think Brum is a "hot bed of football".
Also when meeting Brummies on holiday, at work, or when travelling I always ask if they are Villa or Blues?
The stock answers are usually " I support Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal etc" or "I don`t like football"
I guess I may be generalising and I have not met all 1.2 million Brummies to get a more scientific view - a bit like accusing all Scousers of being thieves and all Geordies obese !
One thing I will agree on is that Geordies and Scousers are noisy - I see that as being "loud and proud"
Perhaps us Brummies are more reserved ;)
-
Wish I was off work :(
-
Hardly the spontaneity (sp?) of the MON arrival
May all come across a bit North Korea / stage managed
-
I'm actually quite fond of scousers although they can really get on my tits but I love Newcastle.
I just dont share your experience of Brummies and football. I see no difference in passion when discussing the game.
-
Welcome to our new dear leader: Kim Jong Bert.
-
Hardly the spontaneity (sp?) of the MON arrival
May all come across a bit North Korea / stage managed
nobody is going to point a gun at you and demand that you fall over crying in joy. Just go down there, show your support for the club and new manager. That's all. Let's not look too deeply into what it means. And I would certainly hope that all of those muppets who found the time to get on TV in objection to McLeish, that have now got their wish, get their arses down there.
-
I suppose the Voice of all Villa Supporters will be there somewhere, in the company of the same tired faces that wheel themselves out at every change of management / board.
-
Forgive my cynicism but... aren't we in danger of looking a bit 'Geordie'? Encouraging lots of people to hang about outside an empty stadium ready to welcome the latest messiah for the tv cameras.
Isn`t this what sets Brummies aside from Geordies and Scousers ? Liverpool and Newcastle folk are very passionate about the game whereas Birmingham folk less so? - Having lived and worked in Brum for 30+ years and now Merseyside 17+ years there is a discernible difference between the cities in their expression of fondness for the game and their clubs.
Its generally a topic introduced into many a conversation - when I lived in Brum it was less the case.
Kinda reminds me of when Brum was going for the Olympics and most people I spoke with couldn`t care less..
I am a Brummie and proud of it - but we just don`t get too excited do we ?
Scousers and Geordies are no more passionate about the game. They're just... noisier. In both a good and bad way.
They're not 'noisier' or in any way better than us or any other set of fans - that's just the myth peddled by our lazy, 10th rate media who choose to propagate the cliche that both Geordies and Liverpool fans are somehow 'special' and more connected to their clubs
When morbidly obese Geordies take their tops off in the freezing cold it's considered a sign of passion, rather than being evidence that a small proportion of their number are learning disabled alcoholics
And when Liverpool fans blather on about their "great history", tell us that Klu Klux Kenny is a "legend" and "part of the fabric of the club", and endlessly trot out the "we're still a huge club" line, it's interpreted as evidence of their greater footballing knowledge, and enhanced, almost spiritual support, when in fact they are just being mawkishly sentimental, delusional and hopelessly out of touch with modern reality
-
Forgive my cynicism but... aren't we in danger of looking a bit 'Geordie'?
No chance. You should know by now all Villa supporters have a six pack, not to mention a shirt.
Correct.
We are smooth
We are cool
We are Villa
And we rule
-
I suppose the Voice of all Villa Supporters will be there somewhere, in the company of the same tired faces that wheel themselves out at every change of management / board.
Carl Chinn, Jonathan Fear, Dave Woodhall, Ian Robotham
Oh yes, the stars will be out in force
-
Lets do a guess the crowd. Figure given by local BBC news
My guess 2,000
-
Nicely put Slabsquare. You will do for me.
-
I suppose the Voice of all Villa Supporters will be there somewhere, in the company of the same tired faces that wheel themselves out at every change of management / board.
Carl Chinn, Jonathan Fear, Dave Woodhall, Ian Robotham
Oh yes, the stars will be out in force
That is one shit boy band.
-
Im working in Brum tomorrow , might pop down for this ;)
-
Forgive my cynicism but... aren't we in danger of looking a bit 'Geordie'? Encouraging lots of people to hang about outside an empty stadium ready to welcome the latest messiah for the tv cameras.
Isn`t this what sets Brummies aside from Geordies and Scousers ? Liverpool and Newcastle folk are very passionate about the game whereas Birmingham folk less so? - Having lived and worked in Brum for 30+ years and now Merseyside 17+ years there is a discernible difference between the cities in their expression of fondness for the game and their clubs.
Its generally a topic introduced into many a conversation - when I lived in Brum it was less the case.
Kinda reminds me of when Brum was going for the Olympics and most people I spoke with couldn`t care less..
I am a Brummie and proud of it - but we just don`t get too excited do we ?
Scousers and Geordies are no more passionate about the game. They're just... noisier. In both a good and bad way.
They're not 'noisier' or in any way better than us or any other set of fans - that's just the myth peddled by our lazy, 10th rate media who choose to propagate the cliche that both Geordies and Liverpool fans are somehow 'special' and more connected to their clubs
When morbidly obese Geordies take their tops off in the freezing cold it's considered a sign of passion, rather than being evidence that a small proportion of their number are learning disabled alcoholics
And when Liverpool fans blather on about their "great history", tell us that Klu Klux Kenny is a "legend" and "part of the fabric of the club", and endlessly trot out the "we're still a huge club" line, it's interpreted as evidence of their greater footballing knowledge, and enhanced, almost spiritual support, when in fact they are just being mawkishly sentimental, delusional and hopelessly out of touch with modern reality
I think you misinterpreted my use of noisy, or I phrased it poorly, otherwise I agree with pretty much everything you said.
-
I suppose the Voice of all Villa Supporters will be there somewhere, in the company of the same tired faces that wheel themselves out at every change of management / board.
Carl Chinn, Jonathan Fear, Dave Woodhall, Ian Robotham
Oh yes, the stars will be out in force
That was funny. Did you write it yourself?
-
Geordies only ever want to talk about football when they are winning. The season they went down it was all quiet in the north east. They've been very noisey this season for good reason. Lets see what happens next season.
-
I'm off tomorrow. The season ticket may well be purchased after two season’s absence. I may even be in the Barton's later if people are about.
-
I'd go if there was a free scarf and free coach travel to the ground.
-
i cant get permission off the wife to come, apparently i have wardrobes to put up. women just dont understand do they lol
-
Perhaps a pair of Irish sunglasses would drive the message home.
-
If one of you could hold up your phone, or preferably, your 10.1 inch tablet, I can tweet myself into the room in HD wearing my AVFC banana hammock.
-
Did we even have a press conference when we appointed McDoom?
-
Did we even have a press conference when we appointed McDoom?
I can't actually remember, I think it's memory supression.
-
Did we even have a press conference when we appointed McDoom?
Yes,I remember it well.It's when he said we had a cracking squad of players and his goal was to finish above 9th
-
Did we even have a press conference when we appointed McDoom?
Yes,I remember it well.It's when he said we had a cracking squad of players and his goal was to finish above 9th
Yes. Weren't Faulkner and Lerner notable by their absence as well?
-
Forgive my cynicism but... aren't we in danger of looking a bit 'Geordie'? Encouraging lots of people to hang about outside an empty stadium ready to welcome the latest messiah for the tv cameras.
Isn`t this what sets Brummies aside from Geordies and Scousers ? Liverpool and Newcastle folk are very passionate about the game whereas Birmingham folk less so? - Having lived and worked in Brum for 30+ years and now Merseyside 17+ years there is a discernible difference between the cities in their expression of fondness for the game and their clubs.
Its generally a topic introduced into many a conversation - when I lived in Brum it was less the case.
Kinda reminds me of when Brum was going for the Olympics and most people I spoke with couldn`t care less..
I am a Brummie and proud of it - but we just don`t get too excited do we ?
Scousers and Geordies are no more passionate about the game. They're just... noisier. In both a good and bad way.
They're not 'noisier' or in any way better than us or any other set of fans - that's just the myth peddled by our lazy, 10th rate media who choose to propagate the cliche that both Geordies and Liverpool fans are somehow 'special' and more connected to their clubs
When morbidly obese Geordies take their tops off in the freezing cold it's considered a sign of passion, rather than being evidence that a small proportion of their number are learning disabled alcoholics
And when Liverpool fans blather on about their "great history", tell us that Klu Klux Kenny is a "legend" and "part of the fabric of the club", and endlessly trot out the "we're still a huge club" line, it's interpreted as evidence of their greater footballing knowledge, and enhanced, almost spiritual support, when in fact they are just being mawkishly sentimental, delusional and hopelessly out of touch with modern reality
To be fair, Liverpool did win the champions league as recently as 2005 and won 1 out of their 2 wembley finals this season.
-
Did we even have a press conference when we appointed McDoom?
I can't actually remember, I think it's memory supression.
Yes. I remember it being commented on because Lerner and Faulkner didn't bother to show up and left Mcleish to face the cameras on his own.
-
(http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/PA-11008347.jpg)
-
(http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/PA-11008347.jpg)
*does sick belch*
-
Shudder....
-
does anyone know if it is on AVTV today ?
cheers
-
i cant get permission off the wife to come, apparently i have wardrobes to put up. women just dont understand do they lol
they will still be there tomorrow and the day after ....
-
I suppose the Voice of all Villa Supporters will be there somewhere, in the company of the same tired faces that wheel themselves out at every change of management / board.
Yes they are good old sort. Usually good for a cup of tea and biscuits and may be a G&T if they hang around long enough and yes very compliant they are!
-
does anyone know if it is on AVTV today ?
cheers
It's live on AVTV from 1pm
-
Is it live on SSN?
-
Is it live on SSN?
No doubt it will be but they always cut it short
-
does anyone know if it is on AVTV today ?
cheers
It's live on AVTV from 1pm
cheers mate, just got the e-mail from Villa confirming this.
UTV
The Doc
-
I've heard there's a protest...
-
At small heath?
-
Come on, Villa, get a move on.
;-)
-
It's on SSN, which I'm watching on villastreams channel four :))
-
It's on SSN, which I'm watching on villastreams channel four :))
Thanks, will put it on :)
-
I've got a black screen so far on AVTV.
-
I've got a black screen so far on AVTV.
Same here.
-
Faulkner is here this time.
-
I've got a black screen so far on AVTV.
Same here.
here we go. Nothing like starting in the bloody middle!!!
-
Nice tie
-
Only just started. This is his opening words.
-
Anyone want to PM me a AVTV code?
-
He's saying all the right things so far.
-
link to SSN - http://www.firstrowsports.eu/watch/68515/1/watch-skysportsnews.html
-
Confirms he spoke to MON about it.
-
Wish he would smile and speak up a bit! No need to be so dour!
-
Did we even have a press conference when we appointed McDoom?
Yes,I remember it well.It's when he said we had a cracking squad of players and his goal was to finish above 9th
Yes. Weren't Faulkner and Lerner notable by their absence as well?
Didn't McLeish want to do it by himself? I'm sure I read that somewhere.
-
Lambo's Claret & Blue Army!
-
Mr. Charisma.
-
'We have to play football the right way for this football club." I like that quote.
-
Happy with what he had to say, and I imagine he'll be more candid in one on one interviews. Was actually very encouraged with Faulkner. Clearly they have identified certain players to bring in, and for sure they will be ditching some of last years lot. My guess is they want a clean break from one or two players and make a completely fresh start. Certainly got the impression that they will be supporting the manager in his efforts to improve the squad which is exciting.
-
It'd be interesting to know what MON said to him. It sounds like he encouraged him to take the job, so begs the question, why did Martin leave?
As usual, he said the right things, big club this...great fans that...play football the "right way"...
Wasn't too much to write home about really.
However, looking forward to new signings and a new season with opitmism!
-
Any word on backroom staff?
-
Wish he would smile and speak up a bit! No need to be so dour!
Doesn't dour and Scots naturally go in the same sentence? I don't really care for bubbly in front of the TV cameras. The great Sir Brian Little was the epitomy of dour when you look at hiom or hear him, but it's what is inside that counts. His record suggests he can motivate players and get results and that's all I care about.
-
The term I keep hearing from behind the scenes is "shake up".
-
Any word on backroom staff?
He kinda avoided the question. Said that he would see what we had here and avoided the direct question regarding the Norwich backrooom staff
-
It'd be interesting to know what MON said to him. It sounds like he encouraged him to take the job, so begs the question, why did Martin leave?
As usual, he said the right things, big club this...great fans that...play football the "right way"...
Wasn't too much to write home about really.
However, looking forward to new signings and a new season with opitmism!
MON left because his free reign was over and was now being held accountable. I can't imagine MON would have told him that Faulkner is a twat, and he doesn't trust him. Lambert is going into the job understanding where he stands and the structure of the club from day one. The structure changed for MON when it became apparent the wages were spiralling out of control and he was told to address it. I still think MON knows deep down that he had a really great job at Villa and he wishes he was still here.
-
Black screen I fucking hate AVTV.
-
Any word on backroom staff?
He kinda avoided the question. Said that he would see what we had here and avoided the direct question regarding the Norwich backrooom staff
I imagine he did that out of respect for the current employees at the club. He'll likely talk to Sid and KMac first but naturally will want his trusted people around him.
-
Basically PF said they realised there was a lot of work to do but they would provide the tools for PL to be successful. Top half of the table is the aim, money was available to 'freshen the squad' and they had already spoken about specific transfer targets.
PL said he was honoured to take the job, there was a huge fanbase who's support was needed, the club has everything going for it and the fans had to be given something to cheer. He said his aim was to play football the right way and get results. He said he had spoken to MON who had said good things about the club. He also said no decisions on bringing in any coaching staff had been taken but he knows the players he wants to bring in and the names have already been discussed with PF and RL.
-
I am genuinley excited. I just have a feeling it'll end in tears, like it did with MON. I hope I am proved wrong.
-
Black screen I fucking hate AVTV.
that's because it's finished now ;)
-
I thought he was surprised at just how big Villa are as a club. He will have seen all the facilities in the Trinity as he made his way to the conference. It is very impressive in there. There were the usual mentions of his previous job and this is something many people do until they have settled into new jobs. He has got the place to himself while the players are away so should be ready to go, fully comfortable in his new surroundings, when the players report back.
-
Black screen I fucking hate AVTV.
that's because it's finished now
Gets gun puts to head.
-
How many fans turned up to welcome him?
-
How many fans turned up to welcome him?
Rod, Jane & Freddie
-
I thought he was surprised at just how big Villa are as a club. He will have seen all the facilities in the Trinity as he made his way to the conference. It is very impressive in there. There were the usual mentions of his previous job and this is something many people do until they have settled into me jobs. He has got the place to himself while the players are away so should be ready to go, fully comfortable in his new surroundings, when the players report back.
yep good observations Dave. It is a brilliant place to come to and as a visiting manager or player you never really appreciate how great a club it is or has been until you have a chance to digest the history. He'll get that chance now. The stadium when empty is magnificent as are the other facilities which are some of the best in Europe.
-
Both Faulkner and Lambert gave the impression there will be outgoings as well as people coming in. I would imagine we have, even with the FFP restrictions, a fairly large wage budget, but it is about utilising that effectively.
I thought it was clear that he wanted Holt too.
-
Where is the image of ITSOTP????????????
-
Faulkner looked suspiciously like he was wearing eye liner, the massive girl.
-
Faulkner looked suspiciously like he was wearing eye liner, the massive girl.
were you staring into his eyes Paulie?
-
Didn't see it - for those that did, was any reference made to the youth set up/bringing the young players through and augmenting that with quality purchases from other clubs?
-
Both Faulkner and Lambert gave the impression there will be outgoings as well as people coming in. I would imagine we have, even with the FFP restrictions, a fairly large wage budget, but it is about utilising that effectively.
I thought it was clear that he wanted Holt too.
Holt would be disappointing, but so be it.
-
Faulkner looked suspiciously like he was wearing eye liner, the massive girl.
Faulkner gave off many impressions.
-
He said what he needed to say, and looks like he means business. He gives off the aura of someone who doesn't get messed with very often. I like that. He seems tough and menacing without needing to raise his voice.
I bet he can't wait for August. I'm quite looking forward to it too :-)
-
Faulkner looked suspiciously like he was wearing eye liner, the massive girl.
He might have been on the way back from some early morning Goth convention somewhere and got held up. And you know when you're in a rush to a press conference to unveil a new manager....you make mistakes....you miss the eyeliner...and all his other gear is in the boot of the car.
-
I'd hope he was planning to look abroad for players, I really hope so. Good luck Paul make Villa great on the pitch again.
-
Re: Holt. I got the opposite impression. He made references to knowing which players he wanted to bring in but when questioned about Holt, he just joked about how bad his spelling was and that he hadn't given him much thought.
-
Woohoo new manager that we all (well most of us) want, hope you sort out all the shite
-
"There is a lot of expectancy at the club and it is not something I'm going to shy away from," he said. "It something I will thrive on, hopefully."
"We will try to get results as quickly and as best as we can. We have to play football the right way.
"We have to give them (the fans) something. We will need them - I think they will come in their thousands to watch us and it is up to us to give them something back."
"I have to get into it and see what is going to happen. I'm honoured to be manager of the football club. I will give it everything I've got to be successful.
"I can't wait to get going, truth be told, so I'm excited by it. It is a huge, huge club and it is something I will need to embrace more than anybody."
-
Didn't see it - for those that did, was any reference made to the youth set up/bringing the young players through and augmenting that with quality purchases from other clubs?
He didn't say much at all to be honest, it was pretty short (ten mins?), and then they went to do face-to-face stuff with the written press.
-
Paul Lambert "I'm certainly not going to bring people here who I think just want money."
-
Do we know how long his contract is?
-
I'd hope he was planning to look abroad for players, I really hope so.
Before he left Norwich he'd targeted several foreign players but Norwich didn't have the money for them.
The way he spoke, I got the impression he already knew who he wanted, preferring to bring them in now, get all the squad working together from Day 1, have a good look at everybody and only then look to see who can go.
-
Do we know how long his contract is?
3 years.
-
Wish he would smile and speak up a bit! No need to be so dour!
Nothing wrong with that. Villa manager needs attitude man.
-
Do we know how long his contract is?
3 years.
Hope he doesn't jump ship after those 3....he doesn't seem to hang around a club long.
-
It'd be interesting to know what MON said to him. It sounds like he encouraged him to take the job, so begs the question, why did Martin leave?
MON said to him "job wasn't big enough for me Paul but for you it's OK" .
-
Faulkner looked suspiciously like he was wearing eye liner, the massive girl.
Faulkner gave off many impressions.
How's his Frank Spencer? Did he say "Oooh Betty, the cat's done a whoopsie on the bed"?
-
Do we know how long his contract is?
3 years.
Hope he doesn't jump ship after those 3....he doesn't seem to hang around a club long.
If he jumps, it'll be somewhere upward (if indeed such a place exists, I am not convinced it does), which will mean he's done a very good job here.
-
Wish he would smile and speak up a bit! No need to be so dour!
Nothing wrong with that. Villa manager needs attitude man.
Yes, but I never like a mumbler. My mum would tell him to sit up straight, hold his knife and fork the right way, and project his voice. All without the ketchup bottle on the table!
-
Wish he would smile and speak up a bit! No need to be so dour!
Nothing wrong with that. Villa manager needs attitude man.
What chance has an ex Norwich manager who is dour and rarely smiles got of succeeding at Villa?
-
Faulkner looked suspiciously like he was wearing eye liner, the massive girl.
Faulkner gave off many impressions.
How's his Frank Spencer? Did he say "Oooh Betty, the cat's done a whoopsie on the bed"?
Yes but everyone thought it was Roy Hodgson.
-
I'd hope he was planning to look abroad for players, I really hope so.
Before he left Norwich he'd targeted several foreign players but Norwich didn't have the money for them.
The way he spoke, I got the impression he already knew who he wanted, preferring to bring them in now, get all the squad working together from Day 1, have a good look at everybody and only then look to see who can go.
I hope that's true.
-
Do we know how long his contract is?
3 years.
Hope he doesn't jump ship after those 3....he doesn't seem to hang around a club long.
If he jumps, it'll be somewhere upward (if indeed such a place exists, I am not convinced it does), which will mean he's done a very good job here.
Do we know how long his contract is?
3 years.
Hope he doesn't jump ship after those 3....he doesn't seem to hang around a club long.
If he jumps, it'll be somewhere upward (if indeed such a place exists, I am not convinced it does), which will mean he's done a very good job here.
I always think it takes at least 2 seasons to build and mold your team, I want someone here for the long term. MON spent a good 4 seasons here and I wonder what might of happened if he stayed a little longer. I think Lambert could achieve top 6 in time and maybe a cup final or 2 thrown in the mix...but it will take longer than 3 years.
-
Ahh, I just missed it. Does anyone have a link to a video or any sort of coverage I can watch?
-
Re: Holt. I got the opposite impression. He made references to knowing which players he wanted to bring in but when questioned about Holt, he just joked about how bad his spelling was and that he hadn't given him much thought.
Yeah, right!!
-
If Mon was still here We'd be in a similar position, he'd run out of ideas
-
I'd hope he was planning to look abroad for players, I really hope so.
Before he left Norwich he'd targeted several foreign players but Norwich didn't have the money for them.
The way he spoke, I got the impression he already knew who he wanted, preferring to bring them in now, get all the squad working together from Day 1, have a good look at everybody and only then look to see who can go.
I hope that's true.
Would I lie tou you, Paul?
-
I'd hope he was planning to look abroad for players, I really hope so.
Before he left Norwich he'd targeted several foreign players but Norwich didn't have the money for them.
The way he spoke, I got the impression he already knew who he wanted, preferring to bring them in now, get all the squad working together from Day 1, have a good look at everybody and only then look to see who can go.
I hope that's true.
Would I lie tou you, Paul?
I would hope not!
-
Just saw some "highlights" on SSN...what stood out was that they have identified and discussed transfer targets, PF acknowledged they need to support PL in order to perform and get better results than last season, and also that there may be more players moving on in the summer.
I feel more confident that they we will be competing in the top half of the table next season, and anything less is not acceptable.
-
There were about 80 or so as a sort of 'Welcome to VP' fan greeting as he arrived.
-
There were about 80 or so as a sort of 'Welcome to VP' fan greeting as he arrived.
Anybody climbing the gates?
-
Wish he would smile and speak up a bit! No need to be so dour!
Nothing wrong with that. Villa manager needs attitude man.
Yes, but I never like a mumbler. My mum would tell him to sit up straight, hold his knife and fork the right way, and project his voice. All without the ketchup bottle on the table!
Why are British table manners so good when the food is largely shit?
EDIT: Realised, its the British way of 'making the best of things'.
-
There were about 80 or so as a sort of 'Welcome to VP' fan greeting as he arrived.
that all? Were things really worse post O'Leary to herald the arrival of MON? This year was as low as I can recall in many a year. It's a little disappointing that 500 or so numpty's can make it down there to protest McLeish but only 80 or so can go down to celebrate the removal of the same man and welcome in the new bloke.
ps. fair play to those people who made it down there
-
Was the bedsheet there?
-
Press conference (http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2800804,00.html)
-
There were about 80 or so as a sort of 'Welcome to VP' fan greeting as he arrived.
That's plenty.
-
Wish he would smile and speak up a bit! No need to be so dour!
If its good enough for Ron Saunders, it'll do for me.
-
There were about 80 or so as a sort of 'Welcome to VP' fan greeting as he arrived.
That's plenty.
why is that plenty Damon? 80 is crap when like I said so many more found time to protest TSM's arrival. I absolutely appreciate that people have jobs to go back to etc, but seemingly people found the time and energy to protest. I suppose it's not a big deal and hopefully people start buying tickets etc, but we didn't do ourselves any favours last summer with events that made it on to TV. Today would have been a good opportunity to set some of that right.
-
There were about 80 or so as a sort of 'Welcome to VP' fan greeting as he arrived.
that all? Were things really worse post O'Leary to herald the arrival of MON? This year was as low as I can recall in many a year. It's a little disappointing that 500 or so numpty's can make it down there to protest McLeish but only 80 or so can go down to celebrate the removal of the same man and welcome in the new bloke.
ps. fair play to those people who made it down there
500 or so? Really?
-
There were about 80 or so as a sort of 'Welcome to VP' fan greeting as he arrived.
that all? Were things really worse post O'Leary to herald the arrival of MON? This year was as low as I can recall in many a year. It's a little disappointing that 500 or so numpty's can make it down there to protest McLeish but only 80 or so can go down to celebrate the removal of the same man and welcome in the new bloke.
ps. fair play to those people who made it down there
500 or so? Really?
wasn't that the number that was being thrown about that came down for the protest? I know that it was suggested as being thousands which it was never close to. From some of the pictures it looked about 400-500 that went down and made arses of themselves on TV.
-
People probably didn't even know it was happening. Nothing on the website, no text etcs. Not a major issue though.
Glad he's here and that he is here early to get cracking with the re-build.
-
There were about 80 or so as a sort of 'Welcome to VP' fan greeting as he arrived.
That's plenty.
why is that plenty Damon? 80 is crap when like I said so many more found time to protest TSM's arrival.
Sorry, I'm talking with my TV reporter's hat on. 80 is enough to get a shot that says `fans turned out to welcome him'. From a practical point of view that's all i care about.
There's nothing worse than scraping up half-a-dozen passers-by for a voxpop and realising that they're only there by accident, and don't care.
-
I prefer a fuss when the manager achieves something, not when he is appointed. You can end up looking like Newcastle, all piss and wind about what might happen rather than what does.
-
Honestly, who gives a shit how many people were there to shout and welcome him? They announced it the day before, and did so on the OS, and it was passed forward on here.
Maybe people don't spend their entire lives on those sites, and had jobs to go to? MON's arrival was on a Friday evening, IIRC.
-
Friday August the 4th at about 7pm. Day before I got married.
-
He's sayng all the right sort of stuff... Encouraging start. Now for the transfer market buys to back it up.
-
There were about 80 or so as a sort of 'Welcome to VP' fan greeting as he arrived.
that all? Were things really worse post O'Leary to herald the arrival of MON? This year was as low as I can recall in many a year. It's a little disappointing that 500 or so numpty's can make it down there to protest McLeish but only 80 or so can go down to celebrate the removal of the same man and welcome in the new bloke.
ps. fair play to those people who made it down there
It was a pissing Press Conference! I wouldn't go down there if it was a press conference to announce the arrival of Lionel Messi, let alone Paul Lambert.
I will be at the games though, starting with Burton.
I'm a football fan not a marketing tool (although the boundaries are becoming more blurred as each year goes by).
-
I was one of the 80 or so. Some of us got there before 1230 and we caught a glimpse for about a minute at quarter to 1. Then they screened the press conference on the car park Big TV. We then had to wait outside with only the odd passing press men giving us any idea when he was due out again. It rained hard at least twice. He finally re-emerged at about 330pm.
A lot of people came down for 1pm and waited around and had to leave before seeing him. I was surprised that with the club asking people to come down, there wasn't more of an organised showing. He could have easily popped out after the main conference and before the press 1-2-1 for 10 -15 mins.
Edit: There was chanting of "We've got our Villa back" on the second appearance and he did sign all autographs offered.
-
There were about 80 or so as a sort of 'Welcome to VP' fan greeting as he arrived.
that all? Were things really worse post O'Leary to herald the arrival of MON? This year was as low as I can recall in many a year. It's a little disappointing that 500 or so numpty's can make it down there to protest McLeish but only 80 or so can go down to celebrate the removal of the same man and welcome in the new bloke.
ps. fair play to those people who made it down there
It was a pissing Press Conference! I wouldn't go down there if it was a press conference to announce the arrival of Lionel Messi, let alone Paul Lambert.
I will be at the games though, starting with Burton.
I'm a football fan not a marketing tool (although the boundaries are becoming more blurred as each year goes by).
i think i might for that :-\
-
There were about 80 or so as a sort of 'Welcome to VP' fan greeting as he arrived.
That's plenty.
why is that plenty Damon? 80 is crap when like I said so many more found time to protest TSM's arrival. I absolutely appreciate that people have jobs to go back to etc, but seemingly people found the time and energy to protest. I suppose it's not a big deal and hopefully people start buying tickets etc, but we didn't do ourselves any favours last summer with events that made it on to TV. Today would have been a good opportunity to set some of that right.
IIRC the OVM protest started at 6pm so would make it a bit easier for more to attend.
-
There were about 80 or so as a sort of 'Welcome to VP' fan greeting as he arrived.
that all? Were things really worse post O'Leary to herald the arrival of MON? This year was as low as I can recall in many a year. It's a little disappointing that 500 or so numpty's can make it down there to protest McLeish but only 80 or so can go down to celebrate the removal of the same man and welcome in the new bloke.
ps. fair play to those people who made it down there
It was a pissing Press Conference! I wouldn't go down there if it was a press conference to announce the arrival of Lionel Messi, let alone Paul Lambert.
I will be at the games though, starting with Burton.
I'm a football fan not a marketing tool (although the boundaries are becoming more blurred as each year goes by).
i think i might for that :-\
Yeh, so would I. I'd fly back for that!
Look, I said it wasn't a big deal in one of my posts, but 80 is lame considering what this appointment represents and how thoroughly miserable last season was. And especially the crescendo of outrage at TSM and everything he represented at the end. Ultimately, more than anything I hope it brings people into the club to buy season tickets again because that number was looking really bad at one point. The club in firing TSM and appointing Lambert have given us what we wanted in pretty quick order. Lots to do off course but hopefully it has restored some of the faith that has been lost.
-
There were about 80 or so as a sort of 'Welcome to VP' fan greeting as he arrived.
that all? Were things really worse post O'Leary to herald the arrival of MON? This year was as low as I can recall in many a year. It's a little disappointing that 500 or so numpty's can make it down there to protest McLeish but only 80 or so can go down to celebrate the removal of the same man and welcome in the new bloke.
ps. fair play to those people who made it down there
It was a pissing Press Conference! I wouldn't go down there if it was a press conference to announce the arrival of Lionel Messi, let alone Paul Lambert.
I will be at the games though, starting with Burton.
I'm a football fan not a marketing tool (although the boundaries are becoming more blurred as each year goes by).
i think i might for that :-\
Yeh, so would I. I'd fly back for that!
Look, I said it wasn't a big deal in one of my posts, but 80 is lame considering what this appointment represents and how thoroughly miserable last season was. And especially the crescendo of outrage at TSM and everything he represented at the end. Ultimately, more than anything I hope it brings people into the club to buy season tickets again because that number was looking really bad at one point. The club in firing TSM and appointing Lambert have given us what we wanted in pretty quick order. Lots to do off course but hopefully it has restored some of the faith that has been lost.
Maybe but considering the timing and publicity (or lack of), not to mention the weather, it's probably not worth making a big deal of. Lunchtime on the day after a bank holiday is probably the most awkward time it could be held.
-
I suppose the Voice of all Villa Supporters will be there somewhere, in the company of the same tired faces that wheel themselves out at every change of management / board.
Yes they are good old sort. Usually good for a cup of tea and biscuits and may be a G&T if they hang around long enough and yes very compliant they are!
Are you Jedi?
-
I made it over after umming and arring, saw him arrive, watched conference on the screen, and waited around until just gone 2 when hunger (the bowl of cereal at 9am had worn off) and trying to hide from the rain got the better of me and I made a run for Witton to get the train back to new street.
Everyone who was down at vp seemed pretty positive about Lambert, and what he said in the conference strikes the right chords for his first interview.
Oh and Collymore was down there too, he sounded happy about Lambert getting the job.
-
Its been a long time since i felt this positive about Villa - perhaps since 2002 when i left Blighty for US. I can see myself booking weekends home to see the team - thats how great i think this appointment might be. MON was also a good appt but I always worried he was not a great tactician - whereas with PL I think we have for the first time since perhaps SBL a genuine football guy - feel the tingle back - wonderful!
-
I suppose the Voice of all Villa Supporters will be there somewhere, in the company of the same tired faces that wheel themselves out at every change of management / board.
Yes they are good old sort. Usually good for a cup of tea and biscuits and may be a G&T if they hang around long enough and yes very compliant they are!
Are you Jedi?
You know the score as well as I do. These are the so called fan reps and Club can say that they were there so we do keep in touch with our fans and the boys/girls will get invited again for being nice.
-
I wouldn't read too much into the numbers.
When MON was arriving I had just got in the car to come home from work when I heard on the radio that they were letting fans into The North Stand to welcome him, so I just went over to Villa Park on a whim. It was fun.
With the protest last year I had absolutely no intention of going, but somehow drove into the middle of it on the way home from work. Not so much fun.
Today - not only was it in the middle of the working day, but it was in the middle of a working day preceded by 4 days off - so no opportunity even to book some time out of work, if you were so inclined.
I can see why the club waited till today for the press conference, but if they had wanted serious numbers to turn out for Lambert, they needed to have the press conference this evening - about 6 - then more people would have popped along on their way out of work. Having said that it was absolutely pissing down at that point so maybe not!
-
If anyone watched the WM coverage, the camera woman was about 5 ft nothing so the camera is always pointing up at the fans. It doesn't help that the reporter Ben is 6ft.
-
Just watched this interview on the BBC:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18338893
He's not exactly gushing with boundless excitement and enthusiasm, is he? Seems to be playing his cards close to his chest and saying pretty much what you'd expect. Still, nothing wrong with that really at this stage.
-
Just watched this interview on the BBC:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18338893
He's not exactly gushing with boundless excitement and enthusiasm, is he? Seems to be playing his cards close to his chest and saying pretty much what you'd expect. Still, nothing wrong with that really at this stage.
I think that's just him though. I heard from Norwich fans not to expect exciting interviews from him. I'm not massively concerned what he says to us, it's what he says to the players and the effect that has on them that matters.
-
Just watched the press conference on sky sports. Love the tie,it really suits him. Also get the impression that he is ready to kick some over payed,over rated players arses out of the door. Just what we need,change at last.
-
I can not remember Sir Ron ever being gushing but he did smile momentarily on the balcony of the Council house when someone handed him the championship trophy.
-
There were about 80 or so as a sort of 'Welcome to VP' fan greeting as he arrived.
Well done all of you.
-
watched the press confrence earlier,thought he spoke really well. Hope we get the deadwood out now and have a fresh start this season! looking forward to it allready!!! UTV
-
Just watched the press conference on sky sports. Love the tie,it really suits him. Also get the impression that he is ready to kick some over payed,over rated players arses out of the door. Just what we need,change at last.
Agreed, mostly, I hope Collins, Dunne and Mutton are all starting to get a bit concerned.
-
There were about 80 or so as a sort of 'Welcome to VP' fan greeting as he arrived.
Well done all of you.
Blimey, didn't about 1000 turn up on impulse for MON ?
Wow times have changed
-
Just watched the press conference on sky sports. Love the tie,it really suits him. Also get the impression that he is ready to kick some over payed,over rated players arses out of the door. Just what we need,change at last.
Agreed, mostly, I hope Collins, Dunne and Mutton are all starting to get a bit concerned.
Losing Collins would be a mistake, and I don't understand the hatred for Dunne either.
-
I hope they pull their socks up and are worthy of wearing our shirt.
-
He speaks calmly, confidently and with conviction. Seems a strong character.
-
Just watched this interview on the BBC:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18338893
He's not exactly gushing with boundless excitement and enthusiasm, is he? Seems to be playing his cards close to his chest and saying pretty much what you'd expect. Still, nothing wrong with that really at this stage.
He's said more than Ron Saunders ever used to say.
-
I was one of the 80 or so. Some of us got there before 1230 and we caught a glimpse for about a minute at quarter to 1. Then they screened the press conference on the car park Big TV. We then had to wait outside with only the odd passing press men giving us any idea when he was due out again. It rained hard at least twice. He finally re-emerged at about 330pm.
A lot of people came down for 1pm and waited around and had to leave before seeing him. I was surprised that with the club asking people to come down, there wasn't more of an organised showing. He could have easily popped out after the main conference and before the press 1-2-1 for 10 -15 mins.
Edit: There was chanting of "We've got our Villa back" on the second appearance and he did sign all autographs offered.
I went down too.
Just missed him going in, watched the press conference on the big screen, waited in the pissing rain until 2.30pm, at which point I was getting evils from Mrs and kids, so we went Aston Hall instead.
Glad I didnt stand there for another hour. I was a bit damp.
-
There were about 80 or so as a sort of 'Welcome to VP' fan greeting as he arrived.
Well done all of you.
Blimey, didn't about 1000 turn up on impulse for MON ?
Wow times have changed
As already mentioned MON press conference was at 7pm on a normal week day. Went down today and we had the two worst pour downs of the day. Spoke to Jack woodward. He said there was definitely money to spend and players already identified by Lambert. ( which was said in conference) Collymore shot straight off when the rain came down and just waved bye !! Lambert seems very much his own man and love his comment. "Body moor training ground is fantastic". "But you can have the best training ground in the world but if you are not producing on a Saturday it means nothing" Positive .......
-
He who Speaks less wins more
-
Losing Collins would be a mistake, and I don't understand the hatred for Dunne either.
[/quote]
Two reasons why Collins needs to be moved on.
His mistakes, losing his man at corners etc.. Usually costs us goals.
In my opinion he's a trouble maker & I'm sure his card will be marked.
I expect to see him being the first out the door.
-
There were about 80 or so as a sort of 'Welcome to VP' fan greeting as he arrived.
Well done all of you.
Blimey, didn't about 1000 turn up on impulse for MON ?
Wow times have changed
As already mentioned MON press conference was at 7pm on a normal week day. Went down today and we had the two worst pour downs of the day. Spoke to Jack woodward. He said there was definitely money to spend and players already identified by Lambert. ( which was said in conference) Collymore shot straight off when the rain came down and just waved bye !! Lambert seems very much his own man and love his comment. "Body moor training ground is fantastic". "But you can have the best training ground in the world but if you are not producing on a Saturday it means nothing" Positive .......
A Friday as well wasn't it so many people could finish early.
I will correct you on the downpours, we had a worse one at about 6pm but as I was inside for that......
Like I said, the only criticism I can give is the fact the club asked the fans down and then forgot about them. Someone could have come out and said he won't be back out for almost 3 hours or they could have done the photoshoot in a stand with fans around him or he could have done the initial press conference, then come back out to the fans whilst the pressers got themselves ready and then gone back in.
-
Collins is one who will never realise that there is more to defending than making loads of mistakes and then attempting the Big Block on the six yard line to make up for them. Maldini used to make one tackle every two games on average - defending is more about positioning and anticipation than tackling and blocking, and Collins has neither.
-
Collins and Dunne are like piss taking kids sat at the back of the classroom.
They need seperating, or the whole class will get distracted.
-
Collins and Dunne are like piss taking kids sat at the back of the classroom.
They need seperating, or the whole class will get distracted.
Out of the two, I'd keep Dunne every day of the week.
-
Collins is one who will never realise that there is more to defending than making loads of mistakes and then attempting the Big Block on the six yard line to make up for them. Maldini used to make one tackle every two games on average - defending is more about positioning and anticipation than tackling and blocking, and Collins has neither.
Wasn't it Collins who, whilst at West Ham, said he wasn't interested in football or something of that ilk. He sometimes looks like that when he plays.
-
Collins and Dunne are like piss taking kids sat at the back of the classroom.
They need seperating, or the whole class will get distracted.
Out of the two, I'd keep Dunne every day of the week.
If the choice was those two, then yes I would, unless Dunne comes back in a similar state to the 2010-11 start.
-
Collins and Dunne are like piss taking kids sat at the back of the classroom.
They need seperating, or the whole class will get distracted.
Out of the two, I'd keep Dunne every day of the week.
I think I would, too.
I also agree with your assessment of Collins.
-
I don't really want to compromise. I want them both gone and they can take Warnock and Hutton with them.
-
Carte blanche on who he wants rid off and who he wants to buy. I trust him to do the business for Villa. For those who think he's not exactly Mr Charisma and doesn't speak that well, how often have we said to do your talking on the pitch? Let's hope he's THAT type!
-
Taxi for Collins.
-
I think Dunne will stay. Lambert will need Given, Dunne and Bent, plus his own leader in midfield to give an experienced spine of players that can lead. In the last 3 weeks we saw that a half fit Dunne was vital, and has played well more times than badly for Villa.
Collins, if we got an offer of anything around 4 million quid, should be gone.
-
I think Dunne will stay. Lambert will need Given, Dunne and Bent, plus his own leader in midfield to give an experienced spine of players that can lead. In the last 3 weeks we saw that a half fit Dunne was vital, and has played well more times than badly for Villa.
Collins, if we got an offer of anything around 4 million quid, should be gone.
Frankly if anyone wants Collins at all I'd let him go for nothing. It's rubbish business, but he's been as bad off the field as on it, a poisonous influence at our club, and we need to get him out in whatever way we can.
-
I'd clear out the whole so called senior back 4.
-
I'd clear out the whole so called senior back 4.
Of them, the only one I'd think about keeping is Dunne, and I'm very open to him going as well.
-
Interesting that he may already have decided the fate of certain players. And not the usual ''everyone starts with clean slate'' approach usually taken by new managers.
-
I'd clear out the whole so called senior back 4.
Agree Maz. There might be a player in Hutton but I was at the end of my tether with the other three before the start of last season and none of them have done anything to make me re-evaluate that appraisal.
-
But we'll get no money for any of our back 4. Can we really afford to replace 4 defenders?
-
There's always some schmuck who will buy players like them.
-
Just watched his AVTV interview - sounded pretty definite that he had already identified players to come in.
-
But we'll get no money for any of our back 4. Can we really afford to replace 4 defenders?
We'd get a few million each for Dunne and Collins being International defenders, Warnock as a left back would also have interest...as for Hutton, cut our losses and give him away on a free transfer if we're lucky.
-
But we'll get no money for any of our back 4. Can we really afford to replace 4 defenders?
We'd get a few million each for Dunne and Collins being International defenders, Warnock as a left back would also have interest...as for Hutton, cut our losses and give him away on a free transfer if we're lucky.
We wouldn't though. Dunne is 32, almost 33 and on 60k a week, with a year left on his deal. We would get 2 million at best.
Collins is almost 29, also in the last year of his deal and known to be trouble off the pitch for a couple of incidents, and his form has been poor at the very best. 4 million would be a miracle.
Warnock, 30, 31 in December, is also on massive wages, and has been so poor the crowd have been on his back. 2 million at the very most. Again 12 months to go on his deal.
Which would give us at the very optimistic most 8 million quid. Possibly 5-6 as we would have to pay their "loyalty" bonuses after not asking for transfers. To buy 3 centre backs, a left back, and of course a right back as you have released Hutton on a free.
Getting rid of the back 4 is a football manager moment. They have been poor a lot, but have had a lot of excuses since MON left, who had them as the one of the best units in the league. Lambert will, I am sure, not be so quick. If we want to see us have a go at teams, and get on the front foot as he said in his press conference, and see us take the game to the opposition next season, then a couple of wingers, a centre forward and a couple of central midfield players would be on my list before any of the defence, apart from Warnock. I would muddle through and re sign that Spanish lad for a couple of seasons if he fancied it.
-
I'd happily see all four go too - Hutton I still think can be a solid RB for us but I prefer Lichaj there so I won't lose any sleep if he goes. Not looking at big fees for any of the quartet, but there are all still sellable and I think there are some real bargains out there; we'll need two CBs, one of them a top class starter, and one to be in the mix with Clark and Baker. A left-back (with Stevens cover) and a right-back (with Lichaj cover or starting).
Go for it, Paul.
-
But we'll get no money for any of our back 4. Can we really afford to replace 4 defenders?
We'd get a few million each for Dunne and Collins being International defenders, Warnock as a left back would also have interest...as for Hutton, cut our losses and give him away on a free transfer if we're lucky.
We wouldn't though. Dunne is 32, almost 33 and on 60k a week, with a year left on his deal. We would get 2 million at best.
Collins is almost 29, also in the last year of his deal and known to be trouble off the pitch for a couple of incidents, and his form has been poor at the very best. 4 million would be a miracle.
Warnock, 30, 31 in December, is also on massive wages, and has been so poor the crowd have been on his back. 2 million at the very most. Again 12 months to go on his deal.
Don't forget - pubehead is back in the game.
-
Let's not start any revisionism, Hutton is an awful player. Maybe not the "worst player ever I've ever seen" which is a phrase I heard, and more than likely used, last season, but he really needs to be the first out. Couldn't defend and poor going forward. It would be great if the new manager can get something out if him considering the money we paid but he's a football manager not a magician. One of the things that typified last season was the constant catastrophic performances of both Hutton and Warnock. Week after week.
-
But we'll get no money for any of our back 4. Can we really afford to replace 4 defenders?
We'd get a few million each for Dunne and Collins being International defenders, Warnock as a left back would also have interest...as for Hutton, cut our losses and give him away on a free transfer if we're lucky.
We wouldn't though. Dunne is 32, almost 33 and on 60k a week, with a year left on his deal. We would get 2 million at best.
Collins is almost 29, also in the last year of his deal and known to be trouble off the pitch for a couple of incidents, and his form has been poor at the very best. 4 million would be a miracle.
Warnock, 30, 31 in December, is also on massive wages, and has been so poor the crowd have been on his back. 2 million at the very most. Again 12 months to go on his deal.
Don't forget - pubehead is back in the game.
We'll have to let them lot go for nominal fees to clear them off the wagebill. The whole back 4 needs replacing. It's old, crap and over-paid. Thanks, Martin.. thanks a lot.
-
The back four have been shite the last two seasons (Hutton aside, but he never played anyway). We need to replace them, looking to bring Clark and Lichaj through. Dunne and Collins are awful, I'm so sick of them, Dunne eats too much and Collins off the field antics constantly let us down, and he cannot judge the flight of the ball
I wouldn't be sorry to see the back of them
-
article in The Independent.
'Lambert free to rebuild Villa by raiding Norwich' Headline..
sorry if posted already..
Is there a link?
-
I like Dunne. We really struggled without him last season and he made a difference when he came back. I'd get shut of Collins, can't knock his effort but he isn't good enough.
-
IN many ways Hutton, Dunne, Warnock & Collins are probably the key to our summer business. If we replace them all, then there won't be much money for anywhere else. If we keep them, will they be shit again and cost us?
I think we should be looking to flog 2 and keep 2. Warnock and Dunne to go, Collins can be the experienced cover behind Clark and a new CB and Hutton to compete with Lichaj for RB. If you go with ozzbert's figures above, that's £4m in, which you'd hope with a bit of clever navigation of the market could get a new LB, but Randy would then need to stump up for the CB. However, the more important factor would be saved wages of around £100k a week, which we could replace them for and still have £30k-£40k a week left over.
-
Like the sound of this if true
@JamesNursey: Told yesterday at #AVFC that Bent won't be sold, that Lambo backs himself to get N'Zogbia going and that Makoun coming back for new chance
-
Let's not start any revisionism, Hutton is an awful player. Maybe not the "worst player ever I've ever seen" which is a phrase I heard, and more than likely used, last season, but he really needs to be the first out. Couldn't defend and poor going forward. It would be great if the new manager can get something out if him considering the money we paid but he's a football manager not a magician. One of the things that typified last season was the constant catastrophic performances of both Hutton and Warnock. Week after week.
Agreed, he's terrible.
My abiding memory of him will be that of him charging around, oblivious to where he might be on the pitch at any one time, enthusiastically putting in hospital challenges.
-
Like the sound of this if true
@JamesNursey: Told yesterday at #AVFC that Bent won't be sold, that Lambo backs himself to get N'Zogbia going and that Makoun coming back for new chance
Glad to hear that about all three players.
-
Like the sound of this if true
@JamesNursey: Told yesterday at #AVFC that Bent won't be sold, that Lambo backs himself to get N'Zogbia going and that Makoun coming back for new chance
What has happened with James Nursey?
I used to think he was a truly terrible journo, rehashing old stories rather than saying anything knew, and pursuing a relentless anti-Lerner agenda.
Of late, he has been bang on the money (as I believe they say) about pretty much everything he's said.
Is he the club's favourite journo or something?
-
I think it could (notice could, not is) be unfair to judge Hutton based on 1 season in a truely awful Villa side. I still hope (notice hope, not believe) he could settle down to be a solid yet unspectacular RB.
-
He does appear to be in the inner sanctum for information at the moment
-
That would be Mr Kendrick... the club think very highly of him I've heard...
-
I'd give everybody a chance bar the two full backs.
Hutton is even worse than De La Cruz and Warnock is a constant accident waiting to happen.
-
Like the sound of this if true
@JamesNursey: Told yesterday at #AVFC that Bent won't be sold, that Lambo backs himself to get N'Zogbia going and that Makoun coming back for new chance
What has happened with James Nursey?
I used to think he was a truly terrible journo, rehashing old stories rather than saying anything knew, and pursuing a relentless anti-Lerner agenda.
Of late, he has been bang on the money (as I believe they say) about pretty much everything he's said.
Is he the club's favourite journo or something?
It makes sense if he is. If there's somebody in the press always giving you pelters, the easiest way to get them onside is to make their job easier by feeding them info.
-
I'd give everybody a chance bar the two full backs.
Hutton is even worse than De La Cruz and Warnock is a constant accident waiting to happen.
I agree Mark. Warnock has been abysmal for two years now, and while you would think that the decent footballer he appeared to be in his first half season is still in there, you can't keep giving people chances when they perform so abysmally week in, week out. £8m we paid fo him, jesus. And Hutton is just an awful footballer. I dont think at his best that he's even competent really. He's the sort of clogger that might cut it in a team scrapping their way to the play off spots in the Championship, but he doesn't belong in the Premier League.
-
What happened to Enda Stevens? Is he touring in the States? Is he up for selection by PL, next term?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enda_Stevens
-
Be interesting to see what Lambert makes of Holman.
-
I don't know why and it's based on nothing, but I just have a feeling Stevens won't make it at Villa. Hope I'm wrong.
-
Simple, even if we get rid of Dunne, Collins, Warnock and Hutton, for a combined 1million. The amount we save on wages is the key, your looking at nearly 200k a week. 10million a season. Clark and Baker with Lee-high either side of them, Cylne from Palace, that is a very young solid top 10 prem defence which will only improve. Alex Smithies from Huddersfield. A back '5' average age of around 20, that is the defence sorted for 10 years!! - Something I can see Lambert doing. He likes to buy young hungry players. I also think we will see Delph, Herd and Gardner as a Midfield three. If we could then get in Rhodes from Huddersfield, ince and Phillips from Blackpool. It would give us a very good young team with a lot of room to develop, and the key cheap wages.
I know a lot of people will say well its not good enough etc, I have always said, if we have a group of young players, playing there heart out week in week out for a few years and finish 8-12th in a few years they will push on we need to start again. That's the problem we have had this last 3 years, we have a mix of MON, GH and TSM. We need Lambert to start from scratch and in my view it is by getting a core 15 young players and get them playing together for years to come.
-
Be interesting to see what Lambert makes of Holman.
Exactly what I've been thinking, I don't know anything about the guy.
On Football Manager he's not that great. He's a right winger.
:D
-
For me, Warnock is the only one one of the back 4 that I would keep.
I think there is a decent player in there.He always gives 100% and plays with his heart on his sleeve. His confidence got shot to shit last season when the crown turned on him, but I think he was unfortunate. In all that time, he did not shirk or hide, he still tried.
I think it would cost a lot of money to get someone better, and we have bigger priorities.
I'd give him another season, and with better players alongside him and without all the negativity around the club, I think he'd be decent for us.
-
Warnock is the first one I'd sell!
-
I don't know why and it's based on nothing, but I just have a feeling Stevens won't make it at Villa. Hope I'm wrong.
I have that same feeling about Holman.
I think he will the same as that Spanish player TSM was desperate to sign for the rags (michel?). He was brought in on the promise of being something special, and sunk without trace. I hope the same cannot be said for Holman. That said, I hope I am wrong
-
His confidence got shot to shit last season when the crown turned on him,
It was his own fault for drinking in there.
-
For me, Warnock is the only one one of the back 4 that I would keep.
I think there is a decent player in there.He always gives 100% and plays with his heart on his sleeve. His confidence got shot to shit last season when the crown turned on him, but I think he was unfortunate. In all that time, he did not shirk or hide, he still tried.
I think it would cost a lot of money to get someone better, and we have bigger priorities.
I'd give him another season, and with better players alongside him and without all the negativity around the club, I think he'd be decent for us.
Warnock was very good for the first half of his first season, but after his injury never looked the same. He was shite under Houllier, and shite under McLeish. As I said earlier, there comes a point where you can't go on hoping that they eventually come good.
-
I don't know why and it's based on nothing, but I just have a feeling Stevens won't make it at Villa. Hope I'm wrong.
I think you are right. I am sure that if he had some future we would have seen him on the bench last season.
-
Could a mod change my username to pr_lambo'svilla please. Thanks in advance
-
Could a mod change my username to pr_lambo'svilla please. Thanks in advance
Name changes are now only for those with GM status so please feel free to donate. You can have it changed back to your original if you wish.
-
I don't know why and it's based on nothing, but I just have a feeling Stevens won't make it at Villa. Hope I'm wrong.
I think you are right. I am sure that if he had some future we would have seen him on the bench last season.
He was a Salifou type punt on an unknown playing in a rubbish league. Probably hasn't cost us very much, but still a bit of a waste of everybody's time. If you're going to find the new Staunton or Roy Keane, you need to do your homework.
-
I don't know why and it's based on nothing, but I just have a feeling Stevens won't make it at Villa. Hope I'm wrong.
I think you are right. I am sure that if he had some future we would have seen him on the bench last season.
He was a Salifou type punt on an unknown playing in a rubbish league. Probably hasn't cost us very much, but still a bit of a waste of everybody's time. If you're going to find the new Staunton or Roy Keane, you need to do your homework.
I heard great things about him from any Rovers fans that I know, he was a different class. The lad only joined up with the club in Jan. This gave him a few months to bed in and get used to the step up in class and pace. We would need to start to see something from him this season though. It's going to be a big pre season for him. I would love to see the lad make it at Villa. Don't write him off yet.
-
Stevens didn't feature under McLeish.As the general opinion is that McLeish is useless then i think we should reserve judgement.
-
But we'll get no money for any of our back 4. Can we really afford to replace 4 defenders?
We'd get a few million each for Dunne and Collins being International defenders, Warnock as a left back would also have interest...as for Hutton, cut our losses and give him away on a free transfer if we're lucky.
We wouldn't though. Dunne is 32, almost 33 and on 60k a week, with a year left on his deal. We would get 2 million at best.
Collins is almost 29, also in the last year of his deal and known to be trouble off the pitch for a couple of incidents, and his form has been poor at the very best. 4 million would be a miracle.
Warnock, 30, 31 in December, is also on massive wages, and has been so poor the crowd have been on his back. 2 million at the very most. Again 12 months to go on his deal.
Which would give us at the very optimistic most 8 million quid. Possibly 5-6 as we would have to pay their "loyalty" bonuses after not asking for transfers. To buy 3 centre backs, a left back, and of course a right back as you have released Hutton on a free.
Getting rid of the back 4 is a football manager moment. They have been poor a lot, but have had a lot of excuses since MON left, who had them as the one of the best units in the league. Lambert will, I am sure, not be so quick. If we want to see us have a go at teams, and get on the front foot as he said in his press conference, and see us take the game to the opposition next season, then a couple of wingers, a centre forward and a couple of central midfield players would be on my list before any of the defence, apart from Warnock. I would muddle through and re sign that Spanish lad for a couple of seasons if he fancied it.
Well £2-3m is exactly what I meant by a few million for each...if we could sell all 4 of them for £8m then I would be delighted. The club have stated that they will back Lambert with funds so replacing all 4 shouldnt be a problem.
As for your last paragraph, the back four are a liability and will continue to be so. I would rather try get more out of our attacking options and rebuild from the back with the addition of at least one more in midfield. Lets not forget there are other clubs out there with players on short term contracts going cheap and a couple of bosmans could come in handy too.
Its actually quite worrying when you think about the quality of the senior players...other than Bent, Ireland, N'Zogbia, Gabby(?) then you really start to struggle until you throw in a mix of the younger players to make up the numbers.
-
I heard yesterday evening that PL's first big decision is that he has decided to change the dugouts next season. The home dugout will now be the one closest to the holte end. It's good to get the really big decisions done early in your tenure I think!
Seriously though does anybody have thoughts on why he might have taken this decision?
-
I don't know why and it's based on nothing, but I just have a feeling Stevens won't make it at Villa. Hope I'm wrong.
I think you are right. I am sure that if he had some future we would have seen him on the bench last season.
He was a Salifou type punt on an unknown playing in a rubbish league. Probably hasn't cost us very much, but still a bit of a waste of everybody's time. If you're going to find the new Staunton or Roy Keane, you need to do your homework.
How on earth does anyone know enough about Stevens to know he's been a waste of time or money?
-
I heard yesterday evening that PL's first big decision is that he has decided to change the dugouts next season. The home dugout will now be the one closest to the holte end. It's good to get the really big decisions done early in your tenure I think!
Seriously though does anybody have thoughts on why he might have taken this decision?
Maybe he has a left and right superstition? These sports people are mental with their superstitions.
-
I'm pretty sure Dunne will be kept on for this season. Don't know about the others though.
-
Even when he was signed, the general feeling was that Stevens needed the half season to get up to speed and 12/13 was when we would see what sort of player he was.
-
Holman will make it. He isn't an unknown like Salifou. He's an international in a strong side who was playing in a strong league.
-
Just watched this interview on the BBC:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18338893
He's not exactly gushing with boundless excitement and enthusiasm, is he? Seems to be playing his cards close to his chest and saying pretty much what you'd expect. Still, nothing wrong with that really at this stage.
He's said more than Ron Saunders ever used to say.
Yes, but Sir Ron spoke in pearls of wisdom. "Do you want to bet against us?" etc.
-
Mark my words.
N'Zogbia will be a revelation under Lambert.
Let's face it, Messi would look shit following the instructions of McCatpiss.
-
I don't know why and it's based on nothing, but I just have a feeling Stevens won't make it at Villa. Hope I'm wrong.
I think you are right. I am sure that if he had some future we would have seen him on the bench last season.
He was a Salifou type punt on an unknown playing in a rubbish league. Probably hasn't cost us very much, but still a bit of a waste of everybody's time. If you're going to find the new Staunton or Roy Keane, you need to do your homework.
How on earth does anyone know enough about Stevens to know he's been a waste of time or money?
You're right in that I haven't seen him, but really, what are the chances that a signing (and a McLeish signing at that) fom the Irish league is going to come good? We've probably got better players in the youth team coming through. If he makes any appearances at all this season, I'll hold my hands up and admit I was wrong, but I don't think I will be somehow.
-
So you want to write him off because he came from the Irish league (as did the other players you mentioned) and because McLeish signed him?
Honestly, that seems more than a little bit unfair. It is pretty tough to expect a 21 year old to go from Shamrock Rovers to the Premier League in one jump.
-
Dares more to Ireland dan dis.
-
Even when he was signed, the general feeling was that Stevens needed the half season to get up to speed and 12/13 was when we would see what sort of player he was.
If Stevens was going to make it surely he'd have played some part, especially as we was totally shite in the second half of last season.
-
So you want to write him off because he came from the Irish league (as did the other players you mentioned) and because McLeish signed him?
Honestly, that seems more than a little bit unfair. It is pretty tough to expect a 21 year old to go from Shamrock Rovers to the Premier League in one jump.
We'll see. I'm not writing him off, but the chances are, in common with most of the other reserves and youth players, that he won't make it. That's just pure probability. Even the players who were considered "exceptional" at that level like Albrighton are struggling now.
-
So you want to write him off because he came from the Irish league (as did the other players you mentioned) and because McLeish signed him?
Honestly, that seems more than a little bit unfair. It is pretty tough to expect a 21 year old to go from Shamrock Rovers to the Premier League in one jump.
We'll see. I'm not writing him off, but the chances are, in common with most of the other reserves and youth players, that he won't make it. That's just pure probability. Even the players who were considered "exceptional" at that level like Albrighton are struggling now.
"Probably hasn't cost us very much, but still a bit of a waste of everybody's time." seems pretty close to writing off. If it is about pure probability re young players (and I guess it is), then that's something that goes for all of them, not just Stevens.
Either way, we'll find out soon enough, I imagine
-
Could a mod change my username to pr_lambo'svilla please. Thanks in advance
Name changes are now only for those with GM status so please feel free to donate. You can have it changed back to your original if you wish.
I actually have been meaning to donate for ages only our maestro cards don't have some number that UK ones do. An issue number or some such? I'll try to get it sorted in the near future.
-
So you want to write him off because he came from the Irish league (as did the other players you mentioned) and because McLeish signed him?
Honestly, that seems more than a little bit unfair. It is pretty tough to expect a 21 year old to go from Shamrock Rovers to the Premier League in one jump.
We'll see. I'm not writing him off, but the chances are, in common with most of the other reserves and youth players, that he won't make it. That's just pure probability. Even the players who were considered "exceptional" at that level like Albrighton are struggling now.
"Probably hasn't cost us very much, but still a bit of a waste of everybody's time." seems pretty close to writing off. If it is about pure probability re young players (and I guess it is), then that's something that goes for all of them, not just Stevens.
Either way, we'll find out soon enough, I imagine
The fact remains that he didn't feature at all last season, and even allowing for TSM's idiocy, given how poor Warnock was, Stevens wasn't getting a sniff ahead of an out-of-position Lichaj.
-
I heard yesterday evening that PL's first big decision is that he has decided to change the dugouts next season. The home dugout will now be the one closest to the holte end. It's good to get the really big decisions done early in your tenure I think!
Seriously though does anybody have thoughts on why he might have taken this decision?
Maybe he has a left and right superstition? These sports people are mental with their superstitions.
Maybe he's deaf in his right ear, so he won't hear any potential abuse.
-
So you want to write him off because he came from the Irish league (as did the other players you mentioned) and because McLeish signed him?
Honestly, that seems more than a little bit unfair. It is pretty tough to expect a 21 year old to go from Shamrock Rovers to the Premier League in one jump.
We'll see. I'm not writing him off, but the chances are, in common with most of the other reserves and youth players, that he won't make it. That's just pure probability. Even the players who were considered "exceptional" at that level like Albrighton are struggling now.
By that logic we should scrap our youth policy. Most of them won't make it and are therefore a waste of time and money.
-
I always thought it would make more sense for the home dugout to be nearer the Holte End.
-
So you want to write him off because he came from the Irish league (as did the other players you mentioned) and because McLeish signed him?
Honestly, that seems more than a little bit unfair. It is pretty tough to expect a 21 year old to go from Shamrock Rovers to the Premier League in one jump.
We'll see. I'm not writing him off, but the chances are, in common with most of the other reserves and youth players, that he won't make it. That's just pure probability. Even the players who were considered "exceptional" at that level like Albrighton are struggling now.
"Probably hasn't cost us very much, but still a bit of a waste of everybody's time." seems pretty close to writing off. If it is about pure probability re young players (and I guess it is), then that's something that goes for all of them, not just Stevens.
Either way, we'll find out soon enough, I imagine
The fact remains that he didn't feature at all last season, and even allowing for TSM's idiocy, given how poor Warnock was, Stevens wasn't getting a sniff ahead of an out-of-position Lichaj.
He joined us officially in January. There is no doubt that the League of Ireland is inferior to Premiership, it takes a bit of time for players moving up into another league to adjust. He has had a half season of training with good players to help him get up to speed. With his pre season behind him, lets judge him on the season coming up.
-
Like the sound of this if true
@JamesNursey: Told yesterday at #AVFC that Bent won't be sold, that Lambo backs himself to get N'Zogbia going and that Makoun coming back for new chance
I like the sound of that . Be like 2 and a half new signings . ;)
-
Are we seriously writing off Stevens? Madness has set in. Give him a chance. Look at Coleman and McLean.
-
I'd like to clarify I wasn't writing him off and saying get rid or anything like that. I was just saying that I can't shake the feeling he's not going to make it at Villa, I hope I'm wrong.
-
Coleman looks likes classic one season wonder to me, as does albrighton. All pace, directness and willing, but ultimately too predictable.
I really hope I'm wrong on albrighton, but I just don't think he's got the game to be a modern day top flight winger.
-
It is pretty tough to expect a 21 year old to go from Shamrock Rovers to the Premier League in one jump.
Without sounding funny......Then why sign him in the first place?
-
It is pretty tough to expect a 21 year old to go from Shamrock Rovers to the Premier League in one jump.
Without sounding funny......Then why sign him in the first place?
Because he has potential and came cheap. Doyle, Coleman and Mclean have shown that singing League of Ireland players can be a shred move.
-
Dares more to Ireland dan dis.
Stephen or The Republic of ?
-
It is pretty tough to expect a 21 year old to go from Shamrock Rovers to the Premier League in one jump.
Without sounding funny......Then why sign him in the first place?
Because he has potential and came cheap. Doyle, Coleman and Mclean have shown that singing League of Ireland players can be a shred move.
I really wish the notion that players of 21, 22, 23 etc have potential. They have potential at 16, 17, 18. By the time they get to 21 they should have made the grade or not. They aren't kids anymore!
-
It is pretty tough to expect a 21 year old to go from Shamrock Rovers to the Premier League in one jump.
Without sounding funny......Then why sign him in the first place?
Because he has potential and came cheap. Doyle, Coleman and Mclean have shown that singing League of Ireland players can be a shred move.
I really wish the notion that players of 21, 22, 23 etc have potential. They have potential at 16, 17, 18. By the time they get to 21 they should have made the grade or not. They aren't kids anymore!
Disagree completely.Players develop at different ages.Some are fully developed physically at 16 where others can be early twenties before they even stop growing.Kevin Phillips,Stuart Pearce,Ian Wright. All playing non league in their early twenties yet went on to represent England. I've done several years of youth coaching and seen players developing are far different rates.
-
It is pretty tough to expect a 21 year old to go from Shamrock Rovers to the Premier League in one jump.
Without sounding funny......Then why sign him in the first place?
Because he's a prospect for the future?
-
Don't forget that God McGrath came from the Irish league when Big Ron brought him to ManUtd.
-
Don't forget that God McGrath came from the Irish league when Big Ron brought him to ManUtd.
As did Roy Keane when Forest signed him.
-
I think the fact that Steven did not get a game when warniock was poor and Lihaj was played out of position could well be donw to the fuckwit that was TSm as much as Stevens not being good enough.
Carruthers had great cameos at Liverpool and United yet the pillock never played him again either
-
Like the sound of this if true
@JamesNursey: Told yesterday at #AVFC that Bent won't be sold, that Lambo backs himself to get N'Zogbia going and that Makoun coming back for new chance
With Ireland, N'Zog, Holman, Makoun available, and Herd, Carruthers, Gardner, Bannan and Albrighton also in the mix for midfield Lambert does have the makings of a very good central unit.
And with Delph, Lichaj, Clark and Baker (I'll leave Stevens out of this for the time being!), there is also a good starting point for defence. A couple of experienced reliable and footballing defenders and we're getting there.
-
Everytime one of these low value punts comes off for another club we always ask "Why can't Villa find a player like that?" What we don't hear about, however, is all the low value punts clubs take that don't pay off. For instance, how many fans outside VP, or Ireland, have ever even heard of Enda Stevens?
My point being, there are players like Enda Stevens at every PL club, but you only ever hear about the ones that make it. But if you don't try a few of them, you won't find your Dwight Yorke.
-
Like the sound of this if true
@JamesNursey: Told yesterday at #AVFC that Bent won't be sold, that Lambo backs himself to get N'Zogbia going and that Makoun coming back for new chance
With Ireland, N'Zog, Holman, Makoun available, and Herd, Carruthers, Gardner, Bannan and Albrighton also in the mix for midfield Lambert does have the makings of a very good central unit
Possibly, but of those players, how many have performed to a good standard in the epl over the last couple of years? None. Ireland, CNZ have done it in fits and starts. Albrighton fir half a season. And the rest the odd game here and there or never had the chance.
I genuinely don't know if with the right coaching and management, we'll become a completely different outfit.
-
Talking of coaching and management, anyone heard anything yet on Culverhouse and Karsa? Hughton is meant to be taking half his backroom staff to Norwich with him, so presumably they should be available?
-
Mate knows Culverhouse sister, they live in Hertfordshire. She says he had some concerns re travelling as didnt want to move his kids, but is apparrently certainly coming. He dont think much of Holt, apparently as a person
-
I genuinely don't know if with the right coaching and management, we'll become a completely different outfit.
I think we will be, one of the reasons I wanted PL over an RM or BR type.
I think the interesting thing to watch now will be what happens with Dunne, Collins and Warnock with only a year left on their over-inflated contracts!
-
Mate knows Culverhouse sister, they live in Hertfordshire. She says he had some concerns re travelling as didnt want to move his kids, but is apparrently certainly coming. He dont think much of Holt, apparently as a person
My mate knows you and says you are an unkempt drunken bellend. I agree with him.
-
Mate knows Culverhouse sister, they live in Hertfordshire. She says he had some concerns re travelling as didnt want to move his kids, but is apparrently certainly coming. He dont think much of Holt, apparently as a person
Thanks VFL, encouraging news on two fronts there!
-
I heard yesterday evening that PL's first big decision is that he has decided to change the dugouts next season. The home dugout will now be the one closest to the holte end. It's good to get the really big decisions done early in your tenure I think!
Seriously though does anybody have thoughts on why he might have taken this decision?
Maybe he has a left and right superstition? These sports people are mental with their superstitions.
Maybe he's deaf in his right ear, so he won't hear any potential abuse.
It's nearer to the Holte so he won't get so tired when he has to run towards it when we score loads of goals!
-
Mate knows Culverhouse sister, they live in Hertfordshire. She says he had some concerns re travelling as didnt want to move his kids, but is apparrently certainly coming. He dont think much of Holt, apparently as a person
My mate knows you and says you are an unkempt drunken bellend. I agree with him.
I am surprised you have a clue what unkempt means, though am sure you have been told you are a drunken bellend on many occassions :)
-
Mate knows Culverhouse sister, they live in Hertfordshire. She says he had some concerns re travelling as didnt want to move his kids, but is apparrently certainly coming. He dont think much of Holt, apparently as a person
My mate knows you and says you are an unkempt drunken bellend. I agree with him.
I am surprised you have a clue what unkempt means, though am sure you have been told you are a drunken bellend on many occassions :)
Tis true
-
I feel I'm missing out, will someone call me a drunken bellend please?
-
Mate knows Culverhouse sister, they live in Hertfordshire. She says he had some concerns re travelling as didnt want to move his kids, but is apparrently certainly coming. He dont think much of Holt, apparently as a person
Thanks for the info, hopefully on the evidence of it Culverhouse is joining and Holt isn't
-
May I be the first to welcome all our friends from Norfolk!
-
It is pretty tough to expect a 21 year old to go from Shamrock Rovers to the Premier League in one jump.
Without sounding funny......Then why sign him in the first place?
Because he has potential and came cheap. Doyle, Coleman and Mclean have shown that singing League of Ireland players can be a shred move.
I really wish the notion that players of 21, 22, 23 etc have potential. They have potential at 16, 17, 18. By the time they get to 21 they should have made the grade or not. They aren't kids anymore!
Wasn't Ian Wright 21 when he was spotted?
-
how old was Cahill when we sold him .... doh
-
It is pretty tough to expect a 21 year old to go from Shamrock Rovers to the Premier League in one jump.
Without sounding funny......Then why sign him in the first place?
Because he's a prospect for the future?
How do you know, have you seen much of him? He was signed on deadline day which suggests it was indeed a Salifou-type punt as I said before, rather than McLeish knowing anything about him at all.
According to his Wiki page, he had trials as an 18 year old with Nottingham Forest, Hull City, Stockport County and Yeovil Town. The fact that none of them signed him doesn't exactly bode well for the future.
-
Ian Taylor was a late developer.
-
It is pretty tough to expect a 21 year old to go from Shamrock Rovers to the Premier League in one jump.
Without sounding funny......Then why sign him in the first place?
Because he's a prospect for the future?
How do you know, have you seen much of him? He was signed on deadline day which suggests it was indeed a Salifou-type punt as I said before, rather than McLeish knowing anything about him at all.
According to his Wiki page, he had trials as an 18 year old with Nottingham Forest, Hull City, Stockport County and Yeovil Town. The fact that none of them signed him doesn't exactly bode well for the future.
I don't know, the other poster asked why they signed him in the first place, I suggested a possible reason.
Why not wait till he's had a chance to show what he can do before writing him off?
-
It is pretty tough to expect a 21 year old to go from Shamrock Rovers to the Premier League in one jump.
Without sounding funny......Then why sign him in the first place?
Because he's a prospect for the future?
How do you know, have you seen much of him? He was signed on deadline day which suggests it was indeed a Salifou-type punt as I said before, rather than McLeish knowing anything about him at all.
According to his Wiki page, he had trials as an 18 year old with Nottingham Forest, Hull City, Stockport County and Yeovil Town. The fact that none of them signed him doesn't exactly bode well for the future.
I don't know, the other poster asked why they signed him in the first place, I suggested a possible reason.
Why not wait till he's had a chance to show what he can do before writing him off?
I am more than willing to give him a chance, but you have to wonder if he will ever play for the first team.
One thing is for sure, he will either get his chance in next few months, or will be moved on.
-
It is pretty tough to expect a 21 year old to go from Shamrock Rovers to the Premier League in one jump.
Without sounding funny......Then why sign him in the first place?
Because he's a prospect for the future?
How do you know, have you seen much of him? He was signed on deadline day which suggests it was indeed a Salifou-type punt as I said before, rather than McLeish knowing anything about him at all.
According to his Wiki page, he had trials as an 18 year old with Nottingham Forest, Hull City, Stockport County and Yeovil Town. The fact that none of them signed him doesn't exactly bode well for the future.
I don't know, the other poster asked why they signed him in the first place, I suggested a possible reason.
Why not wait till he's had a chance to show what he can do before writing him off?
I am more than willing to give him a chance, but you have to wonder if he will ever play for the first team.
One thing is for sure, he will either get his chance in next few months, or will be moved on.
Ashley Young's career was famously heading for obscurity before he knuckled down at Watford.
-
It is pretty tough to expect a 21 year old to go from Shamrock Rovers to the Premier League in one jump.
Without sounding funny......Then why sign him in the first place?
Because he's a prospect for the future?
How do you know, have you seen much of him? He was signed on deadline day which suggests it was indeed a Salifou-type punt as I said before, rather than McLeish knowing anything about him at all.
According to his Wiki page, he had trials as an 18 year old with Nottingham Forest, Hull City, Stockport County and Yeovil Town. The fact that none of them signed him doesn't exactly bode well for the future.
I don't know, the other poster asked why they signed him in the first place, I suggested a possible reason.
Why not wait till he's had a chance to show what he can do before writing him off?
I am more than willing to give him a chance, but you have to wonder if he will ever play for the first team.
One thing is for sure, he will either get his chance in next few months, or will be moved on.
Ashley Young's career was famously heading for obscurity before he knuckled down at Watford.
He was Watford Young player of the year, and in the PFA Championship team of the year in the two years before he joined us!
-
sportinglife.com
New Aston Villa manager Paul Lambert has already identified several new faces he would like to bring to Villa Park.
The 42-year-old Glaswegian was formally unveiled as the new Villa boss on Wednesday, taking over from Alex McLeish.
The Midlands club could only manage a 16th-place finish last term, while Lambert guided Premier League newcomers Norwich to a 12th-place finish on the back of consecutive promotions.
Now he will look to rejuvenate Villa - and plans to introduce new blood to help with that aim.
"I have spoken with the chairman and (chief executive) Paul (Faulkner) and they know there are a few lads I want to look at," he said.
"We are going to try and bring in new lads to help and try and keep the feelgood factor that is around the club at the moment.
"I have to assess the players when I get in and see them.
"We will try to bring in lads to help them which any football club needs.
"You need people to help you and that's what I will try and do.
"I know last season was tough but the main thing was they stayed in the league which everyone at the club would have wanted them to do and I will do everything to try and help them.
"Once I get my feet under the table I can start to look at what's going on and dig a bit deeper. I am really looking forward to it.
"There is a good feeling around the place and it's up to me to try and keep that. As long as we give it a go that's all we can ask. I will do everything I can to make this club successful."
There is sure to be continued speculation that wantaway Norwich striker Grant Holt will be one of those new faces, but Lambert says he has not even thought about making a move for the Canaries star yet.
He added: "I haven't even thought about that at all.
"Grant Holt was brilliant for me. In the three years I was there (at Norwich) he was a huge part of what happened at the club.
"He is a terrific guy and I have a lot of time for him.
"He was brilliant for me as a footballer and a captain but things move on and I need to know about Aston Villa Football Club before I do anything else.
"I will look at things here first and foremost. We will try to bring some guys in but I swear to God I haven't thought about that.
"I am really excited to be here but I haven't thought about anything like that."
-
A very good piece in the mirror (ahem) to get the old expectation rising.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/james-nursey-reckons-aston-villa-866222
-
Crikey, Nursey has turned full circle and become a fully fledged Villa fan.
-
Don't be fooled by Nursey. It's an old Fleet Street trick. You have to build someone up before you can knock them down again.
-
sportinglife.com
New Aston Villa manager Paul Lambert has already identified several new faces he would like to bring to Villa Park.
The 42-year-old Glaswegian was formally unveiled as the new Villa boss on Wednesday, taking over from Alex McLeish.
The Midlands club could only manage a 16th-place finish last term, while Lambert guided Premier League newcomers Norwich to a 12th-place finish on the back of consecutive promotions.
Now he will look to rejuvenate Villa - and plans to introduce new blood to help with that aim.
"I have spoken with the chairman and (chief executive) Paul (Faulkner) and they know there are a few lads I want to look at," he said.
"We are going to try and bring in new lads to help and try and keep the feelgood factor that is around the club at the moment.
"I have to assess the players when I get in and see them.
"We will try to bring in lads to help them which any football club needs.
"You need people to help you and that's what I will try and do.
"I know last season was tough but the main thing was they stayed in the league which everyone at the club would have wanted them to do and I will do everything to try and help them.
"Once I get my feet under the table I can start to look at what's going on and dig a bit deeper. I am really looking forward to it.
"There is a good feeling around the place and it's up to me to try and keep that. As long as we give it a go that's all we can ask. I will do everything I can to make this club successful."
There is sure to be continued speculation that wantaway Norwich striker Grant Holt will be one of those new faces, but Lambert says he has not even thought about making a move for the Canaries star yet.
He added: "I haven't even thought about that at all.
"Grant Holt was brilliant for me. In the three years I was there (at Norwich) he was a huge part of what happened at the club.
"He is a terrific guy and I have a lot of time for him.
"He was brilliant for me as a footballer and a captain but things move on and I need to know about Aston Villa Football Club before I do anything else.
"I will look at things here first and foremost. We will try to bring some guys in but I swear to God I haven't thought about that.
"I am really excited to be here but I haven't thought about anything like that."
C'mon Paul, which is it ?
-
It is pretty tough to expect a 21 year old to go from Shamrock Rovers to the Premier League in one jump.
Without sounding funny......Then why sign him in the first place?
Because he has potential and came cheap. Doyle, Coleman and Mclean have shown that singing League of Ireland players can be a shred move.
I really wish the notion that players of 21, 22, 23 etc have potential. They have potential at 16, 17, 18. By the time they get to 21 they should have made the grade or not. They aren't kids anymore!
Disagree completely.Players develop at different ages.Some are fully developed physically at 16 where others can be early twenties before they even stop growing.Kevin Phillips,Stuart Pearce,Ian Wright. All playing non league in their early twenties yet went on to represent England. I've done several years of youth coaching and seen players developing are far different rates.
Indeed. Look at Chris Herd. Very rarely mentioned when folks talked about that batch of kids and I would imagine most expected him to go the way of Hogg.
Last season he was 22 when he was given the chance and I doubt many would want him gone now.
-
It is pretty tough to expect a 21 year old to go from Shamrock Rovers to the Premier League in one jump.
Without sounding funny......Then why sign him in the first place?
Because he's a prospect for the future?
How do you know, have you seen much of him? He was signed on deadline day which suggests it was indeed a Salifou-type punt as I said before, rather than McLeish knowing anything about him at all.
According to his Wiki page, he had trials as an 18 year old with Nottingham Forest, Hull City, Stockport County and Yeovil Town. The fact that none of them signed him doesn't exactly bode well for the future.
I don't know, the other poster asked why they signed him in the first place, I suggested a possible reason.
Why not wait till he's had a chance to show what he can do before writing him off?
I am more than willing to give him a chance, but you have to wonder if he will ever play for the first team.
One thing is for sure, he will either get his chance in next few months, or will be moved on.
Ashley Young's career was famously heading for obscurity before he knuckled down at Watford.
He was Watford Young player of the year, and in the PFA Championship team of the year in the two years before he joined us!
Yes, but they first refused him a contract. He then worked hard to turn his fortunes around and got a place in the first team squad. He spoke at length about taking the chance when it came his way. I know it's not a perfect example but I'm using it to illustrate that footballers can grow in attitude and stature even if they had early setbacks.
-
PWS - Hogg is doing well at Pompey (I think). I realise they're not spoiled for choice but didn't I read on here that he won Player of the Year?
-
PWS - Hogg is doing well at Pompey (I think). I realise they're not spoiled for choice but didn't I read on here that he won Player of the Year?
We sold Hogg to Watford didn't we?
-
It is pretty tough to expect a 21 year old to go from Shamrock Rovers to the Premier League in one jump.
Without sounding funny......Then why sign him in the first place?
Because he has potential and came cheap. Doyle, Coleman and Mclean have shown that singing League of Ireland players can be a shred move.
I really wish the notion that players of 21, 22, 23 etc have potential. They have potential at 16, 17, 18. By the time they get to 21 they should have made the grade or not. They aren't kids anymore!
When Didier Drogba was 21 he hadn't signed his first professional contract. At age 24 he was a reserve in the French second division.
He should presumably have just given up at that point.
-
PWS - Hogg is doing well at Pompey (I think). I realise they're not spoiled for choice but didn't I read on here that he won Player of the Year?
We sold Hogg to Watford didn't we?
According to Wiki he came 4th in the Watford POTY.
-
Stayvie Bull was driving a fork lift truck at 26.
-
Allegedly
-
A very good piece in the mirror (ahem) to get the old expectation rising.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/james-nursey-reckons-aston-villa-866222
His English is terrible. Not very impressive at all.
-
A very good piece in the mirror (ahem) to get the old expectation rising.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/james-nursey-reckons-aston-villa-866222
His English is terrible. Not very impressive at all.
It is for the Mirror. Catering for the lowest common denominator.
-
A very good piece in the mirror (ahem) to get the old expectation rising.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/james-nursey-reckons-aston-villa-866222
His English is terrible. Not very impressive at all.
It is for the Mirror. Catering for the lowest common denominator.
"I think Lambert will normally always play to win" indeed.
-
Normally always eh?
-
I don't know if it has been mentioned but the new manager wants to swop the dugouts around so that the home one is nearer to the Holte.
A very small, some would say insignificant move, but a clever one in my opinion. Reminds me of something Sir Graham would've done, it's the attention to detail.
A work colleague has asked why they are in the position they are at the moment, is there a reason why the visitors are nearer to the home end? Is there a story behind this and moreover, does anyone care?
-
I like details like that. Its the sort of thing that would never have crossed TSM's mind for instance. I liked when MON had the big daft Recaro seats torn out of the dugouts because he didnt want his subs feeling comfortable.
This may be nothing more than a microscopic edge but it all adds up. Also, a change is as good as a rest.
-
I also remember MON moving the away fans from behind the goal in the lower North Stand. Always thought that was a good move.
-
I like details like that. Its the sort of thing that would never have crossed TSM's mind for instance. I liked when MON had the big daft Recaro seats torn out of the dugouts because he didnt want his subs feeling comfortable.
This may be nothing more than a microscopic edge but it all adds up. Also, a change is as good as a rest.
I didn't realise that, bit harsh considering he never used them :)
-
I also like the idea of swapping the Dugout's around. At least he is thinking of the little things from the off.
On a seperate note, Does anyone know why the Subs warm up towards the North Stand and not the Holte? I preffered it the otherway around, think it was easier to help spur them on.
-
I don't know if it has been mentioned but the new manager wants to swop the dugouts around so that the home one is nearer to the Holte.
A very small, some would say insignificant move, but a clever one in my opinion. Reminds me of something Sir Graham would've done, it's the attention to detail.
A work colleague has asked why they are in the position they are at the moment, is there a reason why the visitors are nearer to the home end? Is there a story behind this and moreover, does anyone care?
Seeing as Graham Taylor has been here twice, he clearly didn't think of it or they wouldn't need changing! ;)
-
Maybe it's just something as simple as that's how they were laid out at Norwich. Football is riddled with superstition.
-
It's probably been done because MON mentioned about the moaners behind the home bench.
-
It's probably been done because MON mentioned about the moaners behind the home bench.
they've only moved it 6ft or so. The same moaners will be there if we don't get results. We've become very good at that over the years.
-
It's probably been done because MON mentioned about the moaners behind the home bench.
they've only moved it 6ft or so. The same moaners will be there if we don't get results. We've become very good at that over the years.
Sugarbags
-
I like details like that. Its the sort of thing that would never have crossed TSM's mind for instance. I liked when MON had the big daft Recaro seats torn out of the dugouts because he didnt want his subs feeling comfortable.
And yet the most successful teams have those Recaro type seats.
-
Did we have those Recaro seats? I can't remember ever noticing them to be honest. They certainly weren't there when I went on the stadium tour during pubeheads first season.
-
I like details like that. Its the sort of thing that would never have crossed TSM's mind for instance. I liked when MON had the big daft Recaro seats torn out of the dugouts because he didnt want his subs feeling comfortable.
And yet the most successful teams have those Recaro type seats.
Because they worked out that players are happier when treated like civilians not soldiers.
-
I also remember MON moving the away fans from behind the goal in the lower North Stand. Always thought that was a good move.
Yep that was a very good move - in fact Turner or Taylor did something similar after Molineux was redeveloped.
-
Maybe it's just something as simple as that's how they were laid out at Norwich. Football is riddled with superstition.
As likely as any other explanation
-
It's probably been done because MON mentioned about the moaners behind the home bench.
I sat near to the away dugout for a couple of seasons, he'll get no peace behind there either - its pneumonia the state capital of moaning, they complain if the ball kids don't move fast enough, if it's offside the flag didn't go up quick enough, the chips are too cold, the curry sauce is too hot and there is always nearly a dust up with an opposition bench warmer. They wait for them to run up and down the touchline like snipers and then bang, just as they pause to stretch the hamstring - "I eard your missus was shaggin giggsy, ya wanker!". This is followed by hysteria when the oppostion bench jump up and give it the Marco Tardelli in front of them when they score. If it means Paul Lambert wading in and grabbing a few of them by the throat to sort this problem out, I'm all for the dugout swap.
-
It's probably been done because MON mentioned about the moaners behind the home bench.
they've only moved it 6ft or so. The same moaners will be there if we don't get results. We've become very good at that over the years.
That's a little harsh. As I remember it, you too like a good moan when things aren't going well, Toronto.
-
On a seperate note, Does anyone know why the Subs warm up towards the North Stand and not the Holte? I preffered it the otherway around, think it was easier to help spur them on.
I assume it's so that they're no longer in the linesman's ear giving him grief over offsides etc.
In fact, maybe it's because the subs now go left to warm up that PL wants to swap dugouts. It must be annoying when the oppo subs are constantly crossing in front of your dugout – a bit like when someone arrives late to the seat a few down from you, then pops out again after 15 mins to offload some of the booze, then disappears again 5 mins before half time for another pint, then comes back ten mins into the second half with his tray of diet chips, then another piss... then leaves early to avoid a queue for the bus.
-
On a seperate note, Does anyone know why the Subs warm up towards the North Stand and not the Holte? I preffered it the otherway around, think it was easier to help spur them on.
I assume it's so that they're no longer in the linesman's ear giving him grief over offsides etc.
In fact, maybe it's because the subs now go left to warm up that PL wants to swap dugouts. It must be annoying when the oppo subs are constantly crossing in front of your dugout – a bit like when someone arrives late to the seat a few down from you, then pops out again after 15 mins to offload some of the booze, then disappears again 5 mins before half time for another pint, then comes back ten mins into the second half with his tray of diet chips, then another piss... then leaves early to avoid a queue for the bus.
That sounds a bit like how Nigel Callaghan used to warm up
-
It's probably been done because MON mentioned about the moaners behind the home bench.
they've only moved it 6ft or so. The same moaners will be there if we don't get results. We've become very good at that over the years.
That's a little harsh. As I remember it, you too like a good moan when things aren't going well, Toronto.
Did you miss the miss where I said We've? That means all of us.
-
On a seperate note, Does anyone know why the Subs warm up towards the North Stand and not the Holte? I preffered it the otherway around, think it was easier to help spur them on.
I assume it's so that they're no longer in the linesman's ear giving him grief over offsides etc.
Or maybe it's to prevent them from 'doing a Sidwell' again?
-
Sorry to go off at a tangent but this thread is as suitable as any for my exasperation.
I noted in today's Mirror that James Nursey is still fanning the dying flames of his cauldron of hate assessment of Villa fans. Today it is the customary couple of column centimetres of Villa coverage and, yes you guessed it it carries a picture of McLeish and a mini headline reference to the Big Eck nickname they love so much and which we never uttered. It carries the phrase "so-called negativity" of our ex manager and the whole slant of the piece is that McLeish was a martyr. One sentence is given to our new manager's desire to see better football.
Now McLeish is gone the journalists are too bone idle to actually report the facts and continue to regurgitate the Villa fans hate everybody lies.
The same paper last week had Savage commenting that not only would we be fighting relegation again next season but so would Norwich. The owners of The Mirror should take a long hard look at how skewed and provocative journalism affects their sales. How can you take seriously a newspaper which regards Savage as a football pundit of any provenance?
-
My wife still buys the Mirror, I ask why? Come the weekend and I'm on my way to the shops she asks me to get it for her. I say "No", an argument ensues. I end up getting it 'cos I like sex.
-
Sorry, but only ****** take notice of papers like The Mirror and papers of this ilk.
Fortunately, I don't take notice of ******, and I suggest you do the same.
-
Nursey has no credibility
Just ignore him & don't buy the bloody mirror
-
The same paper last week had Savage commenting that not only would we be fighting relegation again next season but so would Norwich.
Maybe Savage things we'd be better sticking with Mcleish and getting Karl Henry in? Sorry but that level of stupidity is really funny.
-
Did we have those Recaro seats? I can't remember ever noticing them to be honest. They certainly weren't there when I went on the stadium tour during pubeheads first season.
I went on the Villa Park tour a few years ago and we did have the Recaro seats but MON got rid of them as he wanted the subs to be as uncomfortable as possible so they tried harder in training to make the 1st team.
-
Did we have those Recaro seats? I can't remember ever noticing them to be honest. They certainly weren't there when I went on the stadium tour during pubeheads first season.
I went on the Villa Park tour a few years ago and we did have the Recaro seats but MON got rid of them as he wanted the subs to be as uncomfortable as possible so they tried harder in training to make the 1st team.
It's a good idea,shame he never used any subs.
-
There is some good writing about clubs such as ours, you have to dig around to find it. Avoiding the tabloids altogether is a good start, the headline articles in the broadsheets tend to follow the tabloids in concentrating on the top clubs or just tossing off an ill thought out and poorly researched piece on other teams. But go online and you find some excellent stuff, for every Paul Hayward and his utter ignorance of anything sub 'Arry, there will be a a lesser name who has taken the time and effort to understand his subject.
And if you give your valuable time to the likes of Savage, Quinn, Gough et al you deserve everything you get.
-
Darren Gough, the radio presenter WHAT can't speak proper English? Don't start me off!
-
Sorry to go off at a tangent but this thread is as suitable as any for my exasperation.
I noted in today's Mirror that James Nursey is still fanning the dying flames of his cauldron of hate assessment of Villa fans. Today it is the customary couple of column centimetres of Villa coverage and, yes you guessed it it carries a picture of McLeish and a mini headline reference to the Big Eck nickname they love so much and which we never uttered. It carries the phrase "so-called negativity" of our ex manager and the whole slant of the piece is that McLeish was a martyr. One sentence is given to our new manager's desire to see better football.
Now McLeish is gone the journalists are too bone idle to actually report the facts and continue to regurgitate the Villa fans hate everybody lies.
The same paper last week had Savage commenting that not only would we be fighting relegation again next season but so would Norwich. The owners of The Mirror should take a long hard look at how skewed and provocative journalism affects their sales. How can you take seriously a newspaper which regards Savage as a football pundit of any provenance?
I listened to Nursey on Talksport the other night and he had no problem at all in throwing in a few subtle digs re. Lambert. Stuff along the lines of: "He's very ambitious, if he does well at Villa he will go to a big club." It came within the context of him talking about Lambert and Rodgers and, to be honest, it was a totally unnecessary thing for him to say and it actually took the host by surprise.
I've followed Nursey fairly closely over the past couple of years or so and he really does seem to try and play the crowd. He strikes me as being a journalist very much in the Bill Howell mould. I wouldn't allow him within a mile of Villa Park to be honest as I think he views unsettling the club and our fans as fair sport.
-
The Mirror is a shit rag. I don't even buy it if I am desperate for a newspaper when I'm abroad on holiday. For every ONE thing that James Nursery might get correct about Aston Villa, you can bet your arse that he'll get at least the next thirty things completely wrong. As for the journalists who continue to use the bollocks excuse that I hated TSM because of his Birmingham City connections, I simply look at the league table and the official records for last season. They are clueless wankers. We're right, they're wrong. Simples.
-
You could just write Nursey off as smarmy wanker who writes for a pointless rag that no one in their right mind would make an effort to buy.
-
Slightly off topic, but why do people still buy newspapers if they have the internet?
As for the Mirror, it had a short period of being a decent paper around '9/11'. John Pilger was an interesting read and a brave choice for a mainstream tabloid. But that didn't last too long and the last time I read it was about 10 years ago. File under 'shite' along with Murdoch's empire.
Outside of the BBC The Guardian is the only news media I have some element of trust in these days and even they have an increasing agenda.
-
I've never liked James Nursey, i just think he's a very poor journalist. Most of us on here could do a better job than what he does. Brian Woolnough comes a very close second to him though.
-
You could just write Nursey off as smarmy wanker who writes for a pointless rag that no one in their right mind would make an effort to buy.
i've been buying the Daily Mirror for the last 30 years
which probably proves your point :)
-
I'm a bit confused. Wasn't Nursey being complimented around here a couple of days ago?
-
You could just write Nursey off as smarmy wanker who writes for a pointless rag that no one in their right mind would make an effort to buy.
i've been buying the Daily Mirror for the last 30 years
which probably proves your point :)
John, why would you do this when you can read the news online? Just curious!
-
I'm a bit confused. Wasn't Nursey being complimented around here a couple of days ago?
Possibly. He's got a habit of writing positive stuff about us one minute, then sticking the boot in the next. I wish they'd give him the job of writing about Blues instead, it's more his level.
-
You could just write Nursey off as smarmy wanker who writes for a pointless rag that no one in their right mind would make an effort to buy.
i've been buying the Daily Mirror for the last 30 years
which probably proves your point :)
John, why would you do this when you can read the news online? Just curious!
habit i suppose,
always had a newspaper around the house, my Wife reads all the gossip and trashy stuff, and you can take it around pick it up and read it anytime anywhere,
i started to buy the Mirror as a rebellious gesture against the Daily Express that my parents took, and its just carried on.
as tabloids go i still reckon its the best about, but as with any newspaper the actual news in already a day old,
i also buy the Observer on Sunday,
that normaly takes me a whole week to read, and ocasionaly if i have a load of time to spare i will take the Guardian, as i'm a big lefty,
but always have the Mirror as my Wife wont read the other two as they are 'boring' i think she means there is nothing about Cheryl Cole or X factor in them
-
I'm a bit confused. Wasn't Nursey being complimented around here a couple of days ago?
As usual:
Journo writes something good about Villa = Great bit of writing.
Journo writes bad thing about Villa = Fucking useless hack writing for a rag.
Twas always thus.
-
I'm a bit confused. Wasn't Nursey being complimented around here a couple of days ago?
As usual:
Journo writes something good about Villa = Great bit of writing.
Journo writes bad thing about Villa = Fucking useless hack writing for a rag.
Twas always thus.
Not really. The Mirror is just about the worst rag of the lot. Always.
-
I'm a bit confused. Wasn't Nursey being complimented around here a couple of days ago?
As usual:
Journo writes something good about Villa = Great bit of writing.
Journo writes bad thing about Villa = Fucking useless hack writing for a rag.
Twas always thus.
Not really. The Mirror is just about the worst rag of the lot. Always.
yeah, yeah, Tory boy
-
You could just write Nursey off as smarmy wanker who writes for a pointless rag that no one in their right mind would make an effort to buy.
i've been buying the Daily Mirror for the last 30 years
which probably proves your point :)
John, why would you do this when you can read the news online? Just curious!
habit i suppose,
always had a newspaper around the house, my Wife reads all the gossip and trashy stuff, and you can take it around pick it up and read it anytime anywhere,
i started to buy the Mirror as a rebellious gesture against the Daily Express that my parents took, and its just carried on.
as tabloids go i still reckon its the best about, but as with any newspaper the actual news in already a day old,
i also buy the Observer on Sunday,
that normaly takes me a whole week to read, and ocasionaly if i have a load of time to spare i will take the Guardian, as i'm a big lefty,
but always have the Mirror as my Wife wont read the other two as they are 'boring' i think she means there is nothing about Cheryl Cole or X factor in them
Fair enough. I bought a paper for a couple of years, usually the Mirror and Guardian like yourself, until I was fortunate enough to be able to afford the internet. Never bothered since but can definitely say that habit prevents me from visiting all corners of the internet to come here and a few other trusted sources. Same thing I guess.
My wife visits the Mail's website. Not for the news you understand, for the gossip stuff. It's beyond me why she does this as she is otherwise an intelligent person! Oddballs the lot of them *skates on thin ice*
-
I'm a bit confused. Wasn't Nursey being complimented around here a couple of days ago?
As usual:
Journo writes something good about Villa = Great bit of writing.
Journo writes bad thing about Villa = Fucking useless hack writing for a rag.
Twas always thus.
Not really. The Mirror is just about the worst rag of the lot. Always.
yeah, yeah, Tory boy
It really is though.
-
I'm a bit confused. Wasn't Nursey being complimented around here a couple of days ago?
As usual:
Journo writes something good about Villa = Great bit of writing.
Journo writes bad thing about Villa = Fucking useless hack writing for a rag.
Twas always thus.
Not really. The Mirror is just about the worst rag of the lot. Always.
That honour belongs to the Daily Mail; vile, hate filled propaganda sheet masquerading as a newspaper.
-
I'm a bit confused. Wasn't Nursey being complimented around here a couple of days ago?
As usual:
Journo writes something good about Villa = Great bit of writing.
Journo writes bad thing about Villa = Fucking useless hack writing for a rag.
Twas always thus.
Not really. The Mirror is just about the worst rag of the lot. Always.
That honour belongs to the Daily Mail; vile, hate filled propaganda sheet masquerading as a newspaper.
Aren't we basically just looking at two turds and arguing over which is the smelliest?
-
I'm a bit confused. Wasn't Nursey being complimented around here a couple of days ago?
As usual:
Journo writes something good about Villa = Great bit of writing.
Journo writes bad thing about Villa = Fucking useless hack writing for a rag.
Twas always thus.
Not really. The Mirror is just about the worst rag of the lot. Always.
That honour belongs to the Daily Mail; vile, hate filled propaganda sheet masquerading as a newspaper.
Aren't we basically just looking at two turds and arguing over which is the smelliest?
I'd say the sport parts of the Mail are quite good, it's when you turn to the front pages you start to have problems.
-
I sometimes do alittle test. What page of the mail can I get to before I get so angry with the bollocks in there that I have to fling it down. Normally about page 7.
I really, really fucking hate it.
Interestingly however, a lot of my friends have parents who read the mail. They'd not dream of it, but it's interesting that they tend to come from lower middle class backgrounds and have done really well for themselves. A lot of my bro's lefty middle class background guardian reading families have essentially produced very nice blokes who are complete wasters.
-
Just reading Paul lamberts autobiography and what a great book- great insight into him and also his bust ups with mcleish at Motherwell, clearly eck wasn't any better in those days and Paul comes across as a highly driven and impressive man.
-
I'm a bit confused. Wasn't Nursey being complimented around here a couple of days ago?
As usual:
Journo writes something good about Villa = Great bit of writing.
Journo writes bad thing about Villa = Fucking useless hack writing for a rag.
Twas always thus.
Not really. The Mirror is just about the worst rag of the lot. Always.
yeah, yeah, Tory boy
It really is though.
Risso is correct. The Mirror is appalling stuff.
-
I would never buy the mirror . Why should I keep that wanker Oliver Holt in a job.
-
I'm a bit confused. Wasn't Nursey being complimented around here a couple of days ago?
As usual:
Journo writes something good about Villa = Great bit of writing.
Journo writes bad thing about Villa = Fucking useless hack writing for a rag.
Twas always thus.
Not really. The Mirror is just about the worst rag of the lot. Always.
That honour belongs to the Daily Mail; vile, hate filled propaganda sheet masquerading as a newspaper.
I was talking about their football coverage mainly, but it's a close run thing over all for worst paper.
-
In the old days the Daily Mirror wasn't so bad as I recall (football wise). I seem to remember they were more ready to give features to the midlands teams than the other national papers. This was in the days before the premier league.