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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Legion on February 08, 2012, 06:59:41 PM
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To counteract the McLeishOut protest stupidity:
I’m sure most of you have seen the reports in the papers today regarding imminent protests this Sunday before the Man City game. Normally I ignore this kind of thing as a few protests have been supposedly organised recently but nothing has come to pass. However in light of the media coverage I felt some sort of response necessary.
Is this really the time for this? Are things really at the point of protest?
At the moment, after 24 games we are sitting in 13th place, which is higher than last season. We are 8 points above the drop zone and not really much sign of us being dragged into a relegation scrap. We are only 5 points behind 8th place in the league.
Much of the ill feeling is directed at Alex McLeish and I’m afraid it all stems down to where he came from. Stats support the fact that he has a better record to Houllier last season and a record that is on par with O’Neil’s first season. I don’t remember any protests taking place back then.
In the statement issued by the protesters they state the following
‘He had a full pre-season, was given £20m (approx) to spend and has players of the calibre of Darren Bent, Gabby Agbonlahor and Stephen Ireland to work with (also the most promising batch of home-grown players produced in years).
Just to address this. I can only add up 18.5 million pounds worth of purchases. In the current market that does not even begin to scratch the surface. Darren Bent has proven time and time again that he is a proven goal scorer but the fact is he has continued scoring recently despite the main channels of supply (Young & Downing) being sold. Agbonlahor and Ireland, I actually thing McLeish has done well in returning these players to form. Certainly something that the previous manager was unable to do!
What do these protesters actually hope to achieve? The sacking of McLeish? Please tell me which top flight manager is available to take his place.
These people will say in a seductive manner ‘if you’re a real fan you will go and protest because how can you watch your club decline?
I say how can you go to the protest and help contribute to any potential decline by sticking the knife in? The image at of the club is not great at the moment, how do these people expect anyone of any good calibre to join a club where the fans have treated their last two managers with nothing but contempt and have a record of booing their own players. I believe David Moyes said publicly that he would never come to Villa because of how the fans treated Houllier.
I’m not denying that there are some issues that need working out, but recently we have been seeing progress on the pitch. In the last 8 games we have scored 15 goals. That is not the stat of a defensive manager, especially when you consider the likes of Chelsea and Arsenal are included in that run.
At this time we need to be uniting as fans, not further dividing. Not protesting, look at the state Blackburn fans have gotten themselves into. They are now laughed at on a daily basis.
Get behind the club, get behind the team. It is no coincidence that the away form is vastly superior to the home form, due to the never say die mentality of our brilliant away fans. We need to take that into the ground at Villa Park. Stop booing the players. Stop crying about what we have not got and what has been! Look at what we have got and push the team forward!!
That’s how this team moves forward, with loud vocal support at Villa Park. Some games we will lose, some we will win! But we need to do it together!!
WE ARE VILLANS!!
BE THE 12TH MAN!
Thanks for reading
Proud to be a Villan
Proud to be a Villan on FB (https://www.facebook.com/notes/proud-to-be-a-villan/protests-not-in-my-name/250149538393312)
I know this has already been included in the 'This protest website' thread but I've been asked by the author (Ryan Griffiths, who was instrumental in last season's 'Be the 12th Man campaign') to post it in isolation aswell. Hope this is OK.
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I'd join, but I've deleted my fb account to stop bloody women getting me in trouble.
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I dont think the people that are protesting are the problem, they are just going to look silly. I am more worried by the people that are fed up and vote with thier feet. That is not the fault of the manager but the way it is percieved that the club is run.
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Not in my name either. Most of the comments are an embarrassment. The site's also a welcome playground for all manner of SHA scum - how very unpleasant.
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How many turned up to the last protest? And the one before?
I didn't actually see anyone.
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Now that the media have got hold of it, we will have more idiots jumping on this bandwagon. It is an utter disgrace. They have obviously chosen a tough game so that they can all appear vindicated if we lose. I just hope that we can beat Man City and send this lot scuttling away from Villa Park, never to return.
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They have obviously chosen a tough game so that they can all appear vindicated if we lose.
I'd say that's possibly crediting them with more awareness than they necessarily deserve.
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Hmmm. There might not have been protests but I recall Houllier getting all sorts of stick at this time last year.
Wasn't there a banner in the Holte about this time?
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'Had enough Houllier out' before the loss to Wolves?
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I'm sure they've asked permission to assemble on what is essentially private property and liaised with police.
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Lerner out!
There, that's my protest done.
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Now that the media have got hold of it, we will have more idiots jumping on this bandwagon. It is an utter disgrace. They have obviously chosen a tough game so that they can all appear vindicated if we lose. I just hope that we can beat Man City and send this lot scuttling away from Villa Park, never to return.
Well said that man! I totally agree.
If at the end of the season we swap leagues with that pile of smelly stuff down the road then maybe I might go to watch the lynching but it is not going to happen. Now is not the time to rock the boat.
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I will take action that is positive to help the Villa - protests are just negative "I don't like this/that/t'other".
I would turn up to repaint the stands, clear the car parks, mow the bloody turf whatever; anything constructive happening?
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I'm sure they've asked permission to assemble on what is essentially private property and liaised with police.
Ah, good point. Hadn't thought about that.
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To be honest I don't know why Pauline decided to organise this protest. I bet DC5 isn't too happy!
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I will take action that is positive to help the Villa - protests are just negative "I don't like this/that/t'other".
I would turn up to repaint the stands, clear the car parks, mow the bloody turf whatever; anything constructive happening?
I love This, That and T'Other, 3 excellent beers brewed by the Teme Valley Brewery!
I'm with you WW. I'll do anything for my club: wash the shirts, clean the boots, scrub the bogs.
But I won't protest until I feel all is lost.
I'll be cheering my team on on Sunday and hoping that AM is discussing a great win over the opposition on the radio while on my way down to Devon for my holiday delayed by a day so I can watch the Villa!
UTV!
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To be honest I don't know why Pauline decided to organise this protest. I bet DC5 isn't too happy!
Hehe, I did clarify my post the other day and now I make another post that sounds like I'm part of it. D'oh
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To be honest I don't know why Pauline decided to organise this protest. I bet DC5 isn't too happy!
Hehe, I did clarify my post the other day and now I make another post that sounds like I'm part of it. D'oh
Keep digging.
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Does anyone want to join the protest about the lack of Pies! Since Randy gave everyone a free Pie, the Pie supplies have been sadly lacking, makes you want to throw away your Season Ticket.
Whatever next.
If you were a true fan you would agree that this sort of irresponsible behaviour from our chairman is not good for good football, Villa sold two players for more that £30Million and all we got was a free Pie
I'm off to find a bed sheet to paint!, I need to get a Facebook account whatever that is and start a order more Pies campaign! please join me and all the other protestors and 21;00 down near the chip shop, we'll show them, this is no way to treat us! we'll stand out in the cold and then Talk Sport will make us famous!
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Does anyone want to join the protest about the lack of Pies! Since Randy gave everyone a free Pie, the Pie supplies have been sadly lacking, makes you want to throw away your Season Ticket.
Whatever next.
If you were a true fan you would agree that this sort of irresponsible behaviour from our chairman is not good for good football, Villa sold two players for more that £30Million and all we got was a free Pie
I'm off to find a bed sheet to paint!, I need to get a Facebook account whatever that is and start a order more Pies campaign! please join me and all the other protestors and 21;00 down near the chip shop, we'll show them, this is no way to treat us! we'll stand out in the cold and then Talk Sport will make us famous!
I'd love to join your protest Hampshire but as a veggie I don't know if I qualify.
Could I start a splinter protest group about the lack of Veggie pies?
We'd be small but perfectly formed with brocolli in our beards!
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Does anyone want to join the protest about the lack of Pies! Since Randy gave everyone a free Pie, the Pie supplies have been sadly lacking, makes you want to throw away your Season Ticket.
Whatever next.
If you were a true fan you would agree that this sort of irresponsible behaviour from our chairman is not good for good football, Villa sold two players for more that £30Million and all we got was a free Pie
I'm off to find a bed sheet to paint!, I need to get a Facebook account whatever that is and start a order more Pies campaign! please join me and all the other protestors and 21;00 down near the chip shop, we'll show them, this is no way to treat us! we'll stand out in the cold and then Talk Sport will make us famous!
I'd love to join your protest Hampshire but as a veggie I don't know if I qualify.
Could I start a splinter protest group about the lack of Veggie pies?
We'd be small but perfectly formed with brocolli in our beards!
you're in! We are an equal rights protest group! veggies Vegans, lactose intolerance etc etc one for all and all for one!
by the way I have already formed another protest group to protest about the lack of black coffee at the Villa! We're all going to meet at the King Edwards Car Park, at 22-00 we don't care how long it takes, we'll get them to sit up and take notice of us, REAL TRUE Supporters, only real true supporters feel like this! We'll boycott the white coffee sales, just watch those tills fall silent!
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Short of McLiesh getting us into the top 6 this was always going to happen, tell you what, Alex McLeish has been expecting it for some time IMO, my point would be there should be a line drawn in the sand, for me that line is 15th place, once we hit that then we are fighting relegation and then I can fully understand people getting pissed of.
Put another way, we beat Man City at the weekend these people are going to look just a tad stupid.
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these people really are an ambarrasment to our club! why are the press taking hold of this? what is different from the previous 20 protests this season?
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Hopefully the news tonight will dominate the sports pages for the next few days and save us from further embarrassment.
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Hopefully the news tonight will dominate the sports pages for the next few days and save us from further embarrassment.
I don't think that is anything to worry about, anything that happens at Villa park will take up about 3 sentence's and 30 sec's on Sky Sports News.
Example:
Sky Sports News...................Breaking News..........................Protest today at Villa park......job done.
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It's called lazy journalism rutski. They write that he came from Small Heath and we all hate him for that reason.
All the armchair thickos who take in their sport between bites of pizza can relate to that.
It does not have to be the truth or anything approaching the truth just predigested tabloid slop to feed the uninformed masses.
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I totally agree that AML can't be considered the scapegoat of the situation. He may not be the new Alex Ferguson, but, unlike his predecessors, he found place for a lot of youngsters (Clark, Albrighton, Gardner, Bannan, Herd), and the team impressed with top teams like Arsenal and Chelsea. Last but not least, we can't blame him if we have two clowns (Dunne and Warnock, it goes without saying), that play for the opponents and concede one or two goals every game.
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I totally agree that AML can't be considered the scapegoat of the situation. He may not be the new Alex Ferguson, but, unlike his predecessors, he found place for a lot of youngsters (Clark, Albrighton, Gardner, Bannan, Herd), and the team impressed with top teams like Arsenal and Chelsea. Last but not least, we can't blame him if we have two clowns (Dunne and Warnock, it goes without saying), that play for the opponents and concede one or two goals every game.
Dunne is not as bad as you continually make him out to be Archie.
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I totally agree that AML can't be considered the scapegoat of the situation. He may not be the new Alex Ferguson, but, unlike his predecessors, he found place for a lot of youngsters (Clark, Albrighton, Gardner, Bannan, Herd), and the team impressed with top teams like Arsenal and Chelsea. Last but not least, we can't blame him if we have two clowns (Dunne and Warnock, it goes without saying), that play for the opponents and concede one or two goals every game.
Dunne is not as bad as you continually make him out to be Archie.
His general play has been OK, but he is making costly mistakes in far too many games, as are his fellow defenders. When one of them makes a mistake that leads directly to a goal in every game, as they seem to be taking turns in doing, we'll always be up against it.
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I totally agree that AML can't be considered the scapegoat of the situation. He may not be the new Alex Ferguson, but, unlike his predecessors, he found place for a lot of youngsters (Clark, Albrighton, Gardner, Bannan, Herd), and the team impressed with top teams like Arsenal and Chelsea. Last but not least, we can't blame him if we have two clowns (Dunne and Warnock, it goes without saying), that play for the opponents and concede one or two goals every game.
Dunne is not as bad as you continually make him out to be Archie.
His general play has been OK, but he is making costly mistakes in far too many games, as are his fellow defenders. When one of them makes a mistake that leads directly to a goal in every game, as they seem to be taking turns in doing, we'll always be up against it.
I agree with that.
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Does anyone want to join the protest about the lack of Pies! Since Randy gave everyone a free Pie, the Pie supplies have been sadly lacking, makes you want to throw away your Season Ticket.
Whatever next.
If you were a true fan you would agree that this sort of irresponsible behaviour from our chairman is not good for good football, Villa sold two players for more that £30Million and all we got was a free Pie
I'm off to find a bed sheet to paint!, I need to get a Facebook account whatever that is and start a order more Pies campaign! please join me and all the other protestors and 21;00 down near the chip shop, we'll show them, this is no way to treat us! we'll stand out in the cold and then Talk Sport will make us famous!
I'd love to join your protest Hampshire but as a veggie I don't know if I qualify.
Could I start a splinter protest group about the lack of Veggie pies?
We'd be small but perfectly formed with brocolli in our beards!
you're in! We are an equal rights protest group! veggies Vegans, lactose intolerance etc etc one for all and all for one!
by the way I have already formed another protest group to protest about the lack of black coffee at the Villa! We're all going to meet at the King Edwards Car Park, at 22-00 we don't care how long it takes, we'll get them to sit up and take notice of us, REAL TRUE Supporters, only real true supporters feel like this! We'll boycott the white coffee sales, just watch those tills fall silent!
I'm definitely in for the lack of black coffee protest. Hate milk! The coffee's a bit shit anyway, with milk, disgusting. I promise to buy so much black coffee and veggie pies that we'll be able to afford a new defence, we'll win the Prem, the Champions League and conquer the world!
Now that's a protest!!
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We're already fragmenting, can the pie and coffee people not come together and campaign for milk free pastry or something?
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It's called lazy journalism rutski. They write that he came from Small Heath and we all hate him for that reason.
All the armchair thickos who take in their sport between bites of pizza can relate to that.
It does not have to be the truth or anything approaching the truth just predigested tabloid slop to feed the uninformed masses.
Just look at the recent story of Tommy Mooney having to go to youth matches in disguise because he played for them. Forgetting that he came from us originally and never played a game against us, let alone scored when there. But unfortunately there will be thickos out there who now realise he did play for them and will probably make the story come true.
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We're already fragmenting, can the pie and coffee people not come together and campaign for milk free pastry or something?
Very good.
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We're already fragmenting, can the pie and coffee people not come together and campaign for milk free pastry or something?
Black coffee pies?
Yummy!;-)
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The only protest i would make is for LERNER OUT. Nobody wanted McLeish because of his failure record, but he has been given no money and has to work with the worst back four in the Premier League. Lerner appointed McLeish and should have backed him in the transfer market to get the over paid, beer swilling undisciplined bunch out of the club.
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Most people I know didn't/don't want mcleish, come on here every day and on match days and everyone is moaning about team selection tactics, subs. So why is everyone against this protest?
Are we saying now we want him?
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The only protest i would make is for LERNER OUT.
And in his place?
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As I said on the other thread re the protest:
"I was quite impressed with McLeish's demeanour on Sunday: he was engaged, passionate and prepared to have a go at players that did not play to his script. And, by and large, the team played okay (defensive idiocy aside).
Yes, his substitutions have been suspect at times and he has seemed to stumble across the value of playing Herd and then Clark alongside Petrov as the midfield. His biggest problem was that he prioritised buying N'Zog over a couple of decent centre backs in the close-season.
The point is, we have McL at the moment: why shoot his legs away at tihis crucial time in the season when the
chairman is unlikely to get rid?"
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Lerner out? Yeh, how dare he invest hundreds of millions of pounds in our football club in the hope of bringing it success.
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Lerner out? Yeh, how dare he invest hundreds of millions of pounds in our football club in the hope of bringing it success.
It's that utterly witless "he's spent lots of money so he must be alright" argument that makes me despair. Most of the money wasted has been lent to us, and we have to pay it back, somehow.
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Lerner out? Yeh, how dare he invest hundreds of millions of pounds in our football club in the hope of bringing it success.
It's that utterly witless "he's spent lots of money so he must be alright" argument that makes me despair. Most of the money wasted has been lent to us, and we have to pay it back, somehow.
But he did'nt have to buy us, he did because he wanted to. He has'nt got a bottomless pit of money and that goes for the majority of club chairmen in the Premiership. Why should Randy be any different?
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As the main criteria for any potential replacement seems to be "One of them Arabs what will spend zillions" then the argument that Randy has invested so much would seem to be a lot more than witless. Let's see how, and if, it has to be paid back before casting judgement.
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Lerner out? Yeh, how dare he invest hundreds of millions of pounds in our football club in the hope of bringing it success.
It's that utterly witless "he's spent lots of money so he must be alright" argument that makes me despair. Most of the money wasted has been lent to us, and we have to pay it back, somehow.
But he did'nt have to buy us, he did because he wanted to. He has'nt got a bottomless pit of money and that goes for the majority of club chairmen in the Premiership. Why should Randy be any different?
Then he really should have appointed a manager who he could have had a sensible working relationship with, instead of one who wasted tens of millions on shit players. We will never again be a force while Lerner is in charge, so he needs to sell up asap. He's proved that he's hopeless at running both a NFL team and a English Premier League team. We either need someone with more money, or more business acumen than Lerner. Seriously, the bloke hasn't got a clue.
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As the main criteria for any potential replacement seems to be "One of them Arabs what will spend zillions" then the argument that Randy has invested so much would seem to be a lot more than witless. Let's see how, and if, it has to be paid back before casting judgement.
Another crap argument. There's only one team in the Premier League owned by ultra-ruch Arabs. And the loans do have to be paid back, it says so in the audited accounts.
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Most people I know didn't/don't want mcleish, come on here every day and on match days and everyone is moaning about team selection tactics, subs. So why is everyone against this protest?
Are we saying now we want him?
I speak for myself and yes he should stay. Even if I wanted him out I would not join the protest.
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As the main criteria for any potential replacement seems to be "One of them Arabs what will spend zillions" then the argument that Randy has invested so much would seem to be a lot more than witless. Let's see how, and if, it has to be paid back before casting judgement.
Another crap argument. There's only one team in the Premier League owned by ultra-ruch Arabs. And the loans do have to be paid back, it says so in the audited accounts.
Yet again different views to yours are "crap" and "utterly witless." Why is it, then, that every rumour about new owners always involves oil billionaires?
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As the main criteria for any potential replacement seems to be "One of them Arabs what will spend zillions" then the argument that Randy has invested so much would seem to be a lot more than witless. Let's see how, and if, it has to be paid back before casting judgement.
Another crap argument. There's only one team in the Premier League owned by ultra-ruch Arabs. And the loans do have to be paid back, it says so in the audited accounts.
Yet again different views to yours are "crap" and "utterly witless." Why is it, then, that every rumour about new owners always involves oil billionaires?
No idea, I don't start them.
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As the main criteria for any potential replacement seems to be "One of them Arabs what will spend zillions" then the argument that Randy has invested so much would seem to be a lot more than witless. Let's see how, and if, it has to be paid back before casting judgement.
Another crap argument. There's only one team in the Premier League owned by ultra-ruch Arabs. And the loans do have to be paid back, it says so in the audited accounts.
Yet again different views to yours are "crap" and "utterly witless." Why is it, then, that every rumour about new owners always involves oil billionaires?
No idea, I don't start them.
And you said "we need a bloke with more money" yet Randy spending hundreds of millions is, in your eyes, irrelevant.
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If Lerner bought the club and all shares, how is it that loans have to be paid back to him? Struggling to understand this one.
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If Lerner bought the club and all shares, how is it that loans have to be paid back to him? Struggling to understand this one.
Something about it being from his trust so although it is his money, it isn't fully controlled by him. Ask an accountant.
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Most people I know didn't/don't want mcleish, come on here every day and on match days and everyone is moaning about team selection tactics, subs. So why is everyone against this protest?
Are we saying now we want him?
I agree. Apart from one person I know who thinks he is making "some" progress, everybody I know thinks we are living in a manager nightmare. The reality is that we sunk so low that any postitives and yes good periods of play means that he is improving the team from these lows, but we are still losing. I think he is a good man with good intentions but the fact that the basics in defecence, coupled with poor team sections and bad subs for some games and better for other games means to me and everybody I know means we treading water. Lets hope we can keep kicking til May.
So if FANS want to protect in whatever form - fair play to them. Yes RL is the man who can make any changes. But he doesnt know the fans are pissed off then how will be aware of the mood of fans. Not like he drinks in the Golden Hind?
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As the main criteria for any potential replacement seems to be "One of them Arabs what will spend zillions" then the argument that Randy has invested so much would seem to be a lot more than witless. Let's see how, and if, it has to be paid back before casting judgement.
Another crap argument. There's only one team in the Premier League owned by ultra-ruch Arabs. And the loans do have to be paid back, it says so in the audited accounts.
Yet again different views to yours are "crap" and "utterly witless." Why is it, then, that every rumour about new owners always involves oil billionaires?
No idea, I don't start them.
And you said "we need a bloke with more money" yet Randy spending hundreds of millions is, in your eyes, irrelevant.
You conveniently missed out the bit that clearly says "or have more business acumen." You don't need to be an oil-rich gulf state for that.
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If Lerner bought the club and all shares, how is it that loans have to be paid back to him? Struggling to understand this one.
Something about it being from his trust so although it is his money, it isn't fully controlled by him. Ask an accountant.
Correct. The whole point of trust law is that the assets are not legally owned or controlled by the beneficiary.
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Most people I know didn't/don't want mcleish, come on here every day and on match days and everyone is moaning about team selection tactics, subs. So why is everyone against this protest?
Are we saying now we want him?
I agree with this. I will not join the protest on Sunday. I will take my seat and support my team. But I do not want AM as Manager, as I believe he is a crap Manager.
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You conveniently missed out the bit that clearly says "or have more business acumen." You don't need to be an oil-rich gulf state for that.
Not conveniently at all. On the one hand you said putting money in doesn't count, yet on the other you said having money to put in is one of the essentials.
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Lerner out? Yeh, how dare he invest hundreds of millions of pounds in our football club in the hope of bringing it success.
It's that utterly witless "he's spent lots of money so he must be alright" argument that makes me despair. Most of the money wasted has been lent to us, and we have to pay it back, somehow.
But he did'nt have to buy us, he did because he wanted to. He has'nt got a bottomless pit of money and that goes for the majority of club chairmen in the Premiership. Why should Randy be any different?
Then he really should have appointed a manager who he could have had a sensible working relationship with, instead of one who wasted tens of millions on shit players. We will never again be a force while Lerner is in charge, so he needs to sell up asap. He's proved that he's hopeless at running both a NFL team and a English Premier League team. We either need someone with more money, or more business acumen than Lerner. Seriously, the bloke hasn't got a clue.
How has he proved he hasn't got a clue? He appointed a well reputed manager in O'Neill and backed him financially. His reluctance to continue to spend huge amounts of money every season is understandable considering what we'd have to spend to have any chance of competing for a Champions League place. Regarding the McLeish appointment, I think it's a bit difficult to cast judgement after less than a season in charge.
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You conveniently missed out the bit that clearly says "or have more business acumen." You don't need to be an oil-rich gulf state for that.
Not conveniently at all. On the one hand you said putting money in doesn't count, yet on the other you said having money to put in is one of the essentials.
You don't understand business, so it's a bit pointless arguing with you. In your simplistic world, Lerner is great because he spent a lot of money.
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You conveniently missed out the bit that clearly says "or have more business acumen." You don't need to be an oil-rich gulf state for that.
Not conveniently at all. On the one hand you said putting money in doesn't count, yet on the other you said having money to put in is one of the essentials.
You don't understand business, so it's a bit pointless arguing with you. In your simplistic world, Lerner is great because he spent a lot of money.
Anyone who disagrees with you is 'witless,' 'crap' and now 'simplistic' as well as incapable of understanding business. I must confess, I've seen more coherent lines of debate.
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You conveniently missed out the bit that clearly says "or have more business acumen." You don't need to be an oil-rich gulf state for that.
Not conveniently at all. On the one hand you said putting money in doesn't count, yet on the other you said having money to put in is one of the essentials.
You don't understand business, so it's a bit pointless arguing with you. In your simplistic world, Lerner is great because he spent a lot of money.
Exactly.
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You conveniently missed out the bit that clearly says "or have more business acumen." You don't need to be an oil-rich gulf state for that.
Not conveniently at all. On the one hand you said putting money in doesn't count, yet on the other you said having money to put in is one of the essentials.
You don't understand business, so it's a bit pointless arguing with you. In your simplistic world, Lerner is great because he spent a lot of money.
Anyone who disagrees with you is 'witless,' 'crap' and now 'simplistic' as well as incapable of understanding business. I must confess, I've seen more coherent lines of debate.
Try something more coherent than "Lerner's great, he's spent lots of money" or "who's going to buy us out, a Saudi billionaire" then. I honestly haven't seen anything from you that expands on that argument at all, which is what gives the strong hint that you really don't get the financial side of things whatsoever.
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You conveniently missed out the bit that clearly says "or have more business acumen." You don't need to be an oil-rich gulf state for that.
Not conveniently at all. On the one hand you said putting money in doesn't count, yet on the other you said having money to put in is one of the essentials.
In your simplistic world, Lerner is great because he spent a lot of money.
I see it as appreciating Randy for buying the club when it needed a new owner and putting money in. If that's simplistic then i'll live with that.
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You conveniently missed out the bit that clearly says "or have more business acumen." You don't need to be an oil-rich gulf state for that.
Not conveniently at all. On the one hand you said putting money in doesn't count, yet on the other you said having money to put in is one of the essentials.
You don't understand business, so it's a bit pointless arguing with you. In your simplistic world, Lerner is great because he spent a lot of money.
Anyone who disagrees with you is 'witless,' 'crap' and now 'simplistic' as well as incapable of understanding business. I must confess, I've seen more coherent lines of debate.
Try something more coherent than "Lerner's great, he's spent lots of money" or "who's going to buy us out, a Saudi billionaire" then. I honestly haven't seen anything from you that expands on that argument at all, which is what gives the strong hint that you really don't get the financial side of things whatsoever.
I look at what he's done, what the club was like when he took over, the good seasons we've had. I see the outside world changing and Villa having to adapt. I see how, in a year when the club has supposedly been run appallingly, we have broken our transfer record in a deal which a supposedly anti-Villa journalist called the smoothest big-money one he'd ever known, how we've signed the most lucrative sponsorship and kit deals in our history, how in the past few weeks we've had such initiatives as more free coaches, ticket giveaways and become the first English club to talk about safe standing. I see things happening which might not be headline-grabbers but are aimed at making supporters feel part of the club and which would never have previously happened in a hundred years. And I think that we might not be doing too brilliantly now, but I honestly believe that what's being put in place might, with luck and time, be the best way forward for a club of our size in the current footballing climate. Randy isn't perfect and mistakes have been made but in a list of major club owners he would be a lot nearer the top than the bottom.
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I look at what he's done, what the club was like when he took over, the good seasons we've had. I see the outside world changing and Villa having to adapt. I see how, in a year when the club has supposedly been run appallingly, we have broken our transfer record in a deal which a supposedly anti-Villa journalist called the smoothest big-money one he'd ever known, how we've signed the most lucrative sponsorship and kit deals in our history, how in the past few weeks we've had such initiatives as more free coaches, ticket giveaways and become the first English club to talk about safe standing. I see things happening which might not be headline-grabbers but are aimed at making supporters feel part of the club and which would never have previously happened in a hundred years. And I think that we might not be doing too brilliantly now, but I honestly believe that what's being put in place might, with luck and time, be the best way forward for a club of our size in the current footballing climate. Randy isn't perfect and mistakes have been made but in a list of major club owners he would be a lot nearer the top than the bottom.
Put like that, we're not doing too badly!
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I look at what he's done, what the club was like when he took over, the good seasons we've had. I see the outside world changing and Villa having to adapt. I see how, in a year when the club has supposedly been run appallingly, we have broken our transfer record in a deal which a supposedly anti-Villa journalist called the smoothest big-money one he'd ever known, how we've signed the most lucrative sponsorship and kit deals in our history, how in the past few weeks we've had such initiatives as more free coaches, ticket giveaways and become the first English club to talk about safe standing. I see things happening which might not be headline-grabbers but are aimed at making supporters feel part of the club and which would never have previously happened in a hundred years. And I think that we might not be doing too brilliantly now, but I honestly believe that what's being put in place might, with luck and time, be the best way forward for a club of our size in the current footballing climate. Randy isn't perfect and mistakes have been made but in a list of major club owners he would be a lot nearer the top than the bottom.
Very well said Dave.
Can I also put to Mr 20/20 hindsight, sorry Risso, football all over the world is littered with master businessmen who've lost a fortune trying to apply the principles that have served them so well in their careers, only for it to go massively tits up.
Mark Goldberg had 'business acumen'. A couple of years at Palace and he didn't have a house any more.
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As the saying goes, Just £24m could rid Wearside of Bent.
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I do wonder in this list of great things he's done a free coach trip comes 3rd behind Bent's transfer and a sponsership deal. Doug definetely missed a trick with that one - a couple of free coach trips and we would have named the whole stadium after him
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I do wonder in this list of great things he's done a free coach trip comes 3rd behind Bent's transfer and a sponsership deal. Doug definetely missed a trick with that one - a couple of free coach trips and we would have named the whole stadium after him
And being a travel agent as well.......
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As the protest gets underway, with a fat man in a stained white T-shirt on top of the McGregor statue, Ellis will look down from the Board Room.
With a tear in his eye, he will say 'they are back, singing my name again. I told them my knighthood was for the supporters. Last time they did this I had a sore throat so I could not oblige them. They were holding up banners which said 'Ellis Shout'. The best I could do was wave at them.
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Not in my name unless it's a "Lerner In" protest.
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I totally agree that AML can't be considered the scapegoat of the situation. He may not be the new Alex Ferguson, but, unlike his predecessors, he found place for a lot of youngsters (Clark, Albrighton, Gardner, Bannan, Herd), and the team impressed with top teams like Arsenal and Chelsea. Last but not least, we can't blame him if we have two clowns (Dunne and Warnock, it goes without saying), that play for the opponents and concede one or two goals every game.
Did you not see the team that nearly beat United last year under Houllier?
I personally don't find his football attractive, I also know that he is very poor in his dealings in the transfer market the two players he's brought in are a prime example. Firstly Hutton is a very very poor rightback and N'zogbia although I think he's a decent player surely to god there's better out there for £10m?
Then we have to look as his dealings across the city where he signed some utter tripe which was fantastic at the time for us but now he's in charge of us it's very concerning!
I agree with this article in the main especially the last couple of paragraphs what we should do as fans is really get behind the team! But in saying that those who want to protest should be allowed to do so because at the end of the day we live in a free country and we all have that right!
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I totally agree that AML can't be considered the scapegoat of the situation. He may not be the new Alex Ferguson, but, unlike his predecessors, he found place for a lot of youngsters (Clark, Albrighton, Gardner, Bannan, Herd), and the team impressed with top teams like Arsenal and Chelsea. Last but not least, we can't blame him if we have two clowns (Dunne and Warnock, it goes without saying), that play for the opponents and concede one or two goals every game.
Did you not see the team that nearly beat United last year under Houllier?
I personally don't find his football attractive, I also know that he is very poor in his dealings in the transfer market the two players he's brought in are a prime example. Firstly Hutton is a very very poor rightback and N'zogbia although I think he's a decent player surely to god there's better out there for £10m?
Then we have to look as his dealings across the city where he signed some utter tripe which was fantastic at the time for us but now he's in charge of us it's very concerning!
I agree with this article in the main especially the last couple of paragraphs what we should do as fans is really get behind the team! But in saying that those who want to protest should be allowed to do so because at the end of the day we live in a free country and we all have that right!
Just the two signings he's made then? In case you forgot, our keeper from last season is playing for Spurs now.
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I totally agree that AML can't be considered the scapegoat of the situation. He may not be the new Alex Ferguson, but, unlike his predecessors, he found place for a lot of youngsters (Clark, Albrighton, Gardner, Bannan, Herd), and the team impressed with top teams like Arsenal and Chelsea. Last but not least, we can't blame him if we have two clowns (Dunne and Warnock, it goes without saying), that play for the opponents and concede one or two goals every game.
Did you not see the team that nearly beat United last year under Houllier?
I personally don't find his football attractive, I also know that he is very poor in his dealings in the transfer market the two players he's brought in are a prime example. Firstly Hutton is a very very poor rightback and N'zogbia although I think he's a decent player surely to god there's better out there for £10m?
Then we have to look as his dealings across the city where he signed some utter tripe which was fantastic at the time for us but now he's in charge of us it's very concerning!
I agree with this article in the main especially the last couple of paragraphs what we should do as fans is really get behind the team! But in saying that those who want to protest should be allowed to do so because at the end of the day we live in a free country and we all have that right!
Just the two signings he's made then? In case you forgot, our keeper from last season is playing for Spurs now.
I've heard the Given deal was already presented before Mcleish was appointed.
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I totally agree that AML can't be considered the scapegoat of the situation. He may not be the new Alex Ferguson, but, unlike his predecessors, he found place for a lot of youngsters (Clark, Albrighton, Gardner, Bannan, Herd), and the team impressed with
top teams like Arsenal and Chelsea. Last but not least, we can't blame him if we have two clowns (Dunne and Warnock, it goes without saying), that play for the opponents and concede one or two goals every game.
Did you not see the team that nearly beat United last year under Houllier?
I personally don't find his football attractive, I also know that he is very poor in his dealings in the transfer market the two players he's brought in are a prime example. Firstly Hutton is a very very poor rightback and N'zogbia although I think he's a decent player surely to god there's better out there for £10m?
Then we have to look as his dealings across the city where he signed some utter tripe which was fantastic at the time for us but now he's in charge of us it's very concerning!
I agree with this article in the main especially the last couple of paragraphs what we
should do as fans is really get behind the team! But in saying that those who want to protest should be allowed to do so because at the end of the day we live in a free country and we all have that right!
Just the two signings he's made then? In case you forgot, our keeper from last season
is playing for Spurs now.
I've heard the Given deal was already presented before Mcleish was appointed.
That's somethimg else that he can have no credit for then.
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I agree with this article in the main especially the last couple of paragraphs what we should do as fans is really get behind the team! But in saying that those who want to protest should be allowed to do so because at the end of the day we live in a free country and we all have that right!
I don't think anyone's saying they shouldn't be allowed to protest, just that them choosing to do so is ridiculous.
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I totally agree that AML can't be considered the scapegoat of the situation. He may not be the new Alex Ferguson, but, unlike his predecessors, he found place for a lot of youngsters (Clark, Albrighton, Gardner, Bannan, Herd), and the team impressed with top teams like Arsenal and Chelsea. Last but not least, we can't blame him if we have two clowns (Dunne and Warnock, it goes without saying), that play for the opponents and concede one or two goals every game.
Did you not see the team that nearly beat United last year under Houllier?
I personally don't find his football attractive, I also know that he is very poor in his dealings in the transfer market the two players he's brought in are a prime example. Firstly Hutton is a very very poor rightback and N'zogbia although I think he's a decent player surely to god there's better out there for £10m?
Then we have to look as his dealings across the city where he signed some utter tripe which was fantastic at the time for us but now he's in charge of us it's very concerning!
I agree with this article in the main especially the last couple of paragraphs what we should do as fans is really get behind the team! But in saying that those who want to protest should be allowed to do so because at the end of the day we live in a free country and we all have that right!
Just the two signings he's made then? In case you forgot, our keeper from last season is playing for Spurs now.
Everybody was crying out for N'Zogbia on here.Who I think is just short on confidence and will come good
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I totally agree that AML can't be considered the scapegoat of the situation. He may not be the new Alex Ferguson, but, unlike his predecessors, he found place for a lot of youngsters (Clark, Albrighton, Gardner, Bannan, Herd), and the team impressed with top teams like Arsenal and Chelsea. Last but not least, we can't blame him if we have two clowns (Dunne and Warnock, it goes without saying), that play for the opponents and concede one or two goals every game.
Did you not see the team that nearly beat United last year under Houllier?
I personally don't find his football attractive, I also know that he is very poor in his dealings in the transfer market the two players he's brought in are a prime example. Firstly Hutton is a very very poor rightback and N'zogbia although I think he's a decent player surely to god there's better out there for £10m?
Then we have to look as his dealings across the city where he signed some utter tripe which was fantastic at the time for us but now he's in charge of us it's very concerning!
I agree with this article in the main especially the last couple of paragraphs what we should do as fans is really get behind the team! But in saying that those who want to protest should be allowed to do so because at the end of the day we live in a free country and we all have that right!
Just the two signings he's made then? In case you forgot, our keeper from last season is playing for Spurs now.
I've heard the Given deal was already presented before Mcleish was appointed.
Yeh right, of course it was.
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They're the footballing equivalent of one of those mobs that go peado-hunting on a council estate, and eventually end up mistakenly burning down Mr Peter Files house (c. Brasseye)
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They're the footballing equivalent of one of those mobs that go peado-hunting on a council estate, and eventually end up mistakenly burning down Mr Peter Files house (c. Brasseye)
or attacked the guy because he was a peadeotrician!
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I would have liked Houllier to have had more time, I heard that he was going to buy Ba & cabaye and he would surely have god rid of the trouble makers, Dunne, Collins, warnock and the football would have been a lot better
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I would have liked Houllier to have had more time, I heard that he was going to buy Ba & cabaye and he would surely have god rid of the trouble makers, Dunne, Collins, warnock and the football would have been a lot better
Personally so would I in an ideal world. However, in reality Houllier was nowhere close to returning to work, so it was always a long-shot that he would stay on. McLeish wasn't my favourite by any stretch of the imagination, but I'm willing to give him a chance to do his job before judging him. He's not done enough to suggest that he's definitely not the right man for the job.
Also, I would have thought that the past couple of months would have finally resulted in him getting some credit for the style of football being played. There's been some excellent football played, and very little of the defensive stuff that everyone keeps claiming is his only style. In fact, when I've seen him roaring at players from the sideline, it's been berating them for not getting in the box when chances have presented themselves.
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I wish no ill on anyone , not even Harry Redknapp but those clamouring for him to be the next England manager should bear in mind he is 64 years old and has undergone heart procedure. Our board blissfully overlooked Houllier's health and look where that landed us.
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Those who don't like McLeish, whether by their own choice or just by being a sheep, have a look at this:
http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2604441,00.html (http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2604441,00.html)
Our manager speaks on there in a manner hitherto unheard of by previous managers. Read it and argue against it, if you can. The man is hungry for success and is passionate about his job. Don't let a few clowns spoil things.
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Those who don't like McLeish, whether by their own choice or just by being a sheep, have a look at this:
http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2604441,00.html (http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2604441,00.html)
Our manager speaks on there in a manner hitherto unheard of by previous managers. Read it and argue against it, if you can. The man is hungry for success and is passionate about his job. Don't let a few clowns spoil things.
Saying nice things about a young player is evidence that he's going to lead us on to greater things?
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I agree Dave, I can't understand all this hate for a serious professional like AML. I'm quite sure that with his work ethic he will bring out of this stagnant situation.
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Those who don't like McLeish, whether by their own choice or just by being a sheep, have a look at this:
http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2604441,00.html (http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2604441,00.html)
Our manager speaks on there in a manner hitherto unheard of by previous managers. Read it and argue against it, if you can. The man is hungry for success and is passionate about his job. Don't let a few clowns spoil things.
Saying nice things about a young player is evidence that he's going to lead us on to greater things?
Meaning what? Can't you see the enthusiasm that McLeish has? That was the point of the link.
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I agree Dave, I can't understand all this hate for a serious professional like AML. I'm quite sure that with his work ethic he will bring out of this stagnant situation.
Well said Archie. The hatred is beyond a joke. I suspect many of those protesting are ex Blue noses trying to convince themselves they are now Villa fans.
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Enthusiasm wins nothing.
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Those who don't like McLeish, whether by their own choice or just by being a sheep, have a look at this:
http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2604441,00.html (http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2604441,00.html)
Our manager speaks on there in a manner hitherto unheard of by previous managers. Read it and argue against it, if you can. The man is hungry for success and is passionate about his job. Don't let a few clowns spoil things.
Saying nice things about a young player is evidence that he's going to lead us on to greater things?
Meaning what? Can't you see the enthusiasm that McLeish has? That was the point of the link.
The man is a hopeless Premier League manager. No amount of enthusiasm or stating the bleeding obvious is going to alter that.
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Those who don't like McLeish, whether by their own choice or just by being a sheep, have a look at this:
http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2604441,00.html (http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2604441,00.html)
Our manager speaks on there in a manner hitherto unheard of by previous managers. Read it and argue against it, if you can. The man is hungry for success and is passionate about his job. Don't let a few clowns spoil things.
Saying nice things about a young player is evidence that he's going to lead us on to greater things?
Meaning what? Can't you see the enthusiasm that McLeish has? That was the point of the link.
The man is a hopeless Premier League manager. No amount of enthusiasm or stating the bleeding obvious is going to alter that.
If you want to think that from the comfort of your armchair then go ahead.
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Those who don't like McLeish, whether by their own choice or just by being a sheep, have a look at this:
http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2604441,00.html (http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2604441,00.html)
Our manager speaks on there in a manner hitherto unheard of by previous managers. Read it and argue against it, if you can. The man is hungry for success and is passionate about his job. Don't let a few clowns spoil things.
Saying nice things about a young player is evidence that he's going to lead us on to greater things?
Meaning what? Can't you see the enthusiasm that McLeish has? That was the point of the link.
The man is a hopeless Premier League manager. No amount of enthusiasm or stating the bleeding obvious is going to alter that.
If you want to think that from the comfort of your armchair then go ahead.
Look, you might consider yourself the world's bestest fan, I honestly couldn't give a stuff pal, but the act is wearing a bit thin now. Doing nothing other than go to Villa matches has obviously dulled your intellect somewhat.
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Those who don't like McLeish, whether by their own choice or just by being a sheep, have a look at this:
http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2604441,00.html (http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2604441,00.html)
Our manager speaks on there in a manner hitherto unheard of by previous managers. Read it and argue against it, if you can. The man is hungry for success and is passionate about his job. Don't let a few clowns spoil things.
Saying nice things about a young player is evidence that he's going to lead us on to greater things?
Meaning what? Can't you see the enthusiasm that McLeish has? That was the point of the link.
The man is a hopeless Premier League manager. No amount of enthusiasm or stating the bleeding obvious is going to alter that.
If you want to think that from the comfort of your armchair then go ahead.
Look, you might consider yourself the world's bestest fan, I honestly couldn't give a stuff pal, but the act is wearing a bit thin now. Doing nothing other than go to Villa matches has obviously dulled your intellect somewhat.
It's no act. That is a very insulting comment. All this 'better supporter than you' is something that you constantly harp on about. It obviously gets at you that you rarely go. I do go. It costs me a great deal. I don't make a big deal about it. You do. I know loads of fans who regularly attend games and would never consider myself a 'bestest fan'. You are just jealous that you can't go or don't choose to. How the hell are you a moderator? Get off my case.
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Look you dullard, I made a comment about the manager and you decided that rather than debate, you'd resort to a snide "armchair supporter" dig. If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.
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Look you dullard, I made a comment about the manager and you decided that rather than debate, you'd resort to a snide "armchair supporter" dig. If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.
You made another comment about bestest fan. Where did that come from? There is no need to call me a dullard. I seriously think that you need removing from this site.
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Strange little tiff this.
It seems that DC5 has touched a Risso nerve by being too enthusiastic about supporting The Villa and Risso has equally annoyed DC5 by having possibly the biggest downer on the club outside of JismG and his crew!
Both are at extremes, but I know which side I'd rather be on.
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Strange little tiff this.
It seems that DC5 has touched a Risso nerve by being too enthusiastic about supporting The Villa and Risso has equally annoyed DC5 by having possibly the biggest downer on the club outside of JismG and his crew!
Both are at extremes, but I know which side I'd rather be on.
He hasn't touched a nerve, I just think he's a twat.
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Strange little tiff this.
It seems that DC5 has touched a Risso nerve by being too enthusiastic about supporting The Villa and Risso has equally annoyed DC5 by having possibly the biggest downer on the club outside of JismG and his crew!
Both are at extremes, but I know which side I'd rather be on.
He hasn't touched a nerve, I just think he's a twat.
That's totally unnecessary, and you've jumped on many a poster with threats of bans for less.
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Strange little tiff this.
It seems that DC5 has touched a Risso nerve by being too enthusiastic about supporting The Villa and Risso has equally annoyed DC5 by having possibly the biggest downer on the club outside of JismG and his crew!
Both are at extremes, but I know which side I'd rather be on.
He hasn't touched a nerve, I just think he's a twat.
That's well out of order.
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Gentlemen, can we please leave it now?
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Cracks open another beer and waits for the next insult (or boring Dave comes in with a grow up you 2 comment).
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Strange little tiff this.
It seems that DC5 has touched a Risso nerve by being too enthusiastic about supporting The Villa and Risso has equally annoyed DC5 by having possibly the biggest downer on the club outside of JismG and his crew!
Both are at extremes, but I know which side I'd rather be on.
He hasn't touched a nerve, I just think he's a twat.
I won't stoop to your depths.
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Strange little tiff this.
It seems that DC5 has touched a Risso nerve by being too enthusiastic about supporting The Villa and Risso has equally annoyed DC5 by having possibly the biggest downer on the club outside of JismG and his crew!
Both are at extremes, but I know which side I'd rather be on.
He hasn't touched a nerve, I just think he's a twat.
A name calling moderator? I get the feeling the nerve was well and truly touched.
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Now, now boys.....
DC5 - nobody can doubt your loyalty and commitment to Villa, my god, few fans can match the amount of games you have attended. However, it's not as if the the likes of Risso stuck a pin in the map and just chose Villa to follow, this is a lifetime worth of support for him as well - which is why the armchair comment probably grates. I'm sure he would rather be at Villa Park than somewhere else on a Saturday afternoon. Life has taken me in a different direction for now, so I have to watch from afar as well. It doesn't lessen my passion for Villa one iota - and I'm sure he is the same.
Risso - I think an apology might be in order.
My (probably unwanted) two pennies worth.
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I appreciate both Risso and Dave. But I want to say that I consider Dave the most legendary Villa fan that I had the chance to meet. I think that he attends almost every game, home and away, and he is a true Villa encyclopedia. When I met him in Wien he remembered perfectly a certain goal scored in 1971-72 season during a game of third Division that he attended. So, I hope that Risso and Dave will make peace, as it is totally pointless a quarrel between two passionate Villa fans! Football is an entertainement, mates, not a question of life or detah, and we all belong to the same family.
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I appreciate both Risso and Dave. But I want to say that I consider Dave the most legendary Villa fan that I had the chance to meet. I think that he attends almost every game, home and away, and he is a true Villa encyclopedia. When I met him in Wien he remembered perfectly a certain goal scored in 1971-72 season during a game of third Division that he attended. So, I hope that Risso and Dave will make peace, as it is totally pointless a quarrel between two passionate Villa fans! Football is an entertainement, mates, not a question of life or detah, and we all belong to the same family.
Archie
The trouble is that I can't remember much since the Third Division. Too much beer. Looking forward to next European trip.
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Does having the financial wherewithal to attend most/all Villa games mean that said Villa fans views on the club (or matters pertaining to) are infallible?
You can definitely make a pretty logical argument that if he has seen -for example- one of our promising young players over an extended period of time he might know a bit more about him than the stayaway lot. Or the overseas/ expat crew.
I get the impression that DC5 was a fan of McLesh long before he came to B6 though, and was far from unhappy that he was appointed. Which is a bit different. If I've misjudged that, I apologise.
I admire the way he defends him on here, even if I don't share his admiration for the ginner one.
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Does having the financial wherewithal to attend most/all Villa games mean that said Villa fans views on the club (or matters pertaining to) are infallible?
You can definitely make a pretty logical argument that if he has seen -for example- one of our promising young players over an extended period of time he might know a bit more about him than the stayaway lot. Or the overseas/ expat crew.
I get the impression that DC5 was a fan of McLesh long before he came to B6 though, and was far from unhappy that he was appointed. Which is a bit different. If I've misjudged that, I apologise.
I admire the way he defends him on here, even if I don't share his admiration for the ginner one.
Some of the blind faith put in McLesh on here is getting quite boring.
He is going nowhere and we are not going down.
A nothing season whenever there was one.
But the jumping up and down when somebody has a go at the Ginger One is getting silly.
The days of a balanced debate have gone because of the stupid protest sites and people are getting way too protective.
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just want to say
Up the villa!
And totally support Alex McL our manager
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just want to say
Up the villa!
And totally support Alex McL our manager
Don't get me wrong he is our manager and will get my backing,it dosn't stop me questioning him.
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If McL lets Keane go then he is stuffed; and so are our hopes of staying in the top half of the PL!. Keeping Robbie should be a major part of Sunday's protest
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If McL lets Keane go then he is stuffed; and so are our hopes of staying in the top half of the PL!. Keeping Robbie should be a major part of Sunday's protest
No protest,but I agree and at the time I thought he was a stupid signing.
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But there's nothing Alex can do about Keane. He's going back to LA, irrespective of what McL says or does.
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But there's nothing Alex can do about Keane. He's going back to LA, irrespective of what McL says or does.
We could still buy him I think because their season hasn't started.
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But there's nothing Alex can do about Keane. He's going back to LA, irrespective of what McL says or does.
We could still buy him I think because their season hasn't started.
surely our transfer window is closed so there is only 2 ways he can stay. LA Galaxy allow the loan to be extended, which is looking unlikely or LA Galaxy terminate his contract which is more unlikely and in that case we wouldn't be the only ones after him.
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Enthusiasm wins nothing.
Lack of enthusiasm wins nothing.
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If McL lets Keane go then he is stuffed; and so are our hopes of staying in the top half of the PL!. Keeping Robbie should be a major part of Sunday's protest
What? So you think people should protest that we should try to keep Keane, despite the fact that we've tried to keep Keane and his club have said no? What exactly are you protesting about? "We want to keep Keane and you won't let us - it's not fair" or "Randy - you didn't force LA Galaxy to allow us to keep your players registration"?
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Then he really should have appointed a manager who he could have had a sensible working relationship with, instead of one who wasted tens of millions on shit players.
My understanding was that he DID appoint a manager with whom he had a sensible working relationship and whose judgement in the transfer market he trusted. Unfortunately, that man - MON - let him down badly on both the relationship and the transfer dealings and we all got burned.
Your opening comment "he really should have..." is classic hindsightism.
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If McL lets Keane go then he is stuffed; and so are our hopes of staying in the top half of the PL!. Keeping Robbie should be a major part of Sunday's protest
What? So you think people should protest that we should try to keep Keane, despite the fact that we've tried to keep Keane and his club have said no? What exactly are you protesting about? "We want to keep Keane and you won't let us - it's not fair" or "Randy - you didn't force LA Galaxy to allow us to keep your players registration"?
I think McLeish's only hope is to kidnap Keane.
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Does having the financial wherewithal to attend most/all Villa games mean that said Villa fans views on the club (or matters pertaining to) are infallible?
You can definitely make a pretty logical argument that if he has seen -for example- one of our promising young players over an extended period of time he might know a bit more about him than the stayaway lot. Or the overseas/ expat crew.
I get the impression that DC5 was a fan of McLesh long before he came to B6 though, and was far from unhappy that he was appointed. Which is a bit different. If I've misjudged that, I apologise.
I admire the way he defends him on here, even if I don't share his admiration for the ginner one.
I was happy when he was appointed. It has been a strange week. Almost as if there has been another game since the Newcastle one. Did we play a non league side and get stuffed 6-0 or something? The anti-McLeish bandwagon has certainly got itself overloaded since this protest was 'announced'.
By the way, I don't profess to have any greater knowlege about things than anyone else. Just because I don't tend to engage in tediously long posts which nit pick every word out of the previous post doesn't mean that my knowledge is any lesser either.
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I was happy when he was appointed. It has been a strange week. Almost as if there has been another game since the Newcastle one. Did we play a non league side and get stuffed 6-0 or something? The anti-McLeish bandwagon has certainly got itself overloaded since this protest was 'announced'....
I wasn't enamoured by McL's appointment, based purely on his record, but the point now is he's with us at the moment: why shoot his legs away at tihis crucial time in the season when the chairman is unlikely to get rid of him anyway? It's pointless - any protest should await the time when the season is all but over IMO.
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I was unhappy, Mcleish was appointed. I didnt want him here because he was ex blues, he just got a team relegated and he played boring football. I said at the time i wouldnt renew my season ticket, and although i didnt join the original protests, i fully supported them and there objectives.
And then like most things in life you get over it. I renewed my season ticket 2 weeks later and couldnt wait for the season to start. My initial thoughts were correct, lets face it, the first half of the season was crap, no other way to describe it, and i thought relegation was a certantity. The Liverpool performance was one of the most gutless performances ive have ever seen and i again vowed i wouldnt set foot in villa park again, whilst mcleish was still there.
Then we played arsenal, and since then i have seen a lot more improvement, in an attacking sense at least which is what we were crying out for. True we struggle defensively still but eventually i believe that could be put right with time.
All that anger i had during the summer has gone now, as i actually see some potential in our team now. I wouldnt say im a Mcleish convert now, but sacking him now would be futile, and put us back to 'square one'. I personally give him the rest of this season and all of next season and see where we are as a team then. As far as protests go well, come on lads dont be silly, if this was blues, we would laughing ourselves silly at them.
Please dont shame our proud club in front of the monument of one of our founding fathers on sunday. We are better than that, we have more class than that. We all love the villa, potential protesters or not, lets get behind the team and manager on sunday and be proud of our club not embarrased by it.
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Does having the financial wherewithal to attend most/all Villa games mean that said Villa fans views on the club (or matters pertaining to) are infallible?
You can definitely make a pretty logical argument that if he has seen -for example- one of our promising young players over an extended period of time he might know a bit more about him than the stayaway lot. Or the overseas/ expat crew.
I get the impression that DC5 was a fan of McLesh long before he came to B6 though, and was far from unhappy that he was appointed. Which is a bit different. If I've misjudged that, I apologise.
I admire the way he defends him on here, even if I don't share his admiration for the ginner one.
Some of the blind faith put in McLesh on here is getting quite boring.
He is going nowhere and we are not going down.
A nothing season whenever there was one.
But the jumping up and down when somebody has a go at the Ginger One is getting silly.
The days of a balanced debate have gone because of the stupid protest sites and people are getting way too protective.
I don'r see any blind faith. Instead what I see, from the more balanced amongst us, is a willingness to give a decent man a fair crack of the whip. So much of the criticism lacks any balance, concentrating entirely on any negatives in his record and declaring the positives as irrelevant. I think that attitude leads to a circling of the wagons from the rest of us against the shrill calls from the over excitable.
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I was unhappy, Mcleish was appointed. I didnt want him here because he was ex blues, he just got a team relegated and he played boring football. I said at the time i wouldnt renew my season ticket, and although i didnt join the original protests, i fully supported them and there objectives.
And then like most things in life you get over it. I renewed my season ticket 2 weeks later and couldnt wait for the season to start. My initial thoughts were correct, lets face it, the first half of the season was crap, no other way to describe it, and i thought relegation was a certantity. The Liverpool performance was one of the most gutless performances ive have ever seen and i again vowed i wouldnt set foot in villa park again, whilst mcleish was still there.
Then we played arsenal, and since then i have seen a lot more improvement, in an attacking sense at least which is what we were crying out for. True we struggle defensively still but eventually i believe that could be put right with time.
All that anger i had during the summer has gone now, as i actually see some potential in our team now. I wouldnt say im a Mcleish convert now, but sacking him now would be futile, and put us back to 'square one'. I personally give him the rest of this season and all of next season and see where we are as a team then. As far as protests go well, come on lads dont be silly, if this was blues, we would laughing ourselves silly at them.
Please dont shame our proud club in front of the monument of one of our founding fathers on sunday. We are better than that, we have more class than that. We all love the villa, potential protesters or not, lets get behind the team and manager on sunday and be proud of our club not embarrased by it.
Great post !!
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Does having the financial wherewithal to attend most/all Villa games mean that said Villa fans views on the club (or matters pertaining to) are infallible?
You can definitely make a pretty logical argument that if he has seen -for example- one of our promising young players over an extended period of time he might know a bit more about him than the stayaway lot. Or the overseas/ expat crew.
I get the impression that DC5 was a fan of McLesh long before he came to B6 though, and was far from unhappy that he was appointed. Which is a bit different. If I've misjudged that, I apologise.
I admire the way he defends him on here, even if I don't share his admiration for the ginner one.
Some of the blind faith put in McLesh on here is getting quite boring.
He is going nowhere and we are not going down.
A nothing season whenever there was one.
But the jumping up and down when somebody has a go at the Ginger One is getting silly.
The days of a balanced debate have gone because of the stupid protest sites and people are getting way too protective.
I don'r see any blind faith. Instead what I see, from the more balanced amongst us, is a willingness to give a decent man a fair crack of the whip. So much of the criticism lacks any balance, concentrating entirely on any negatives in his record and declaring the positives as irrelevant. I think that attitude leads to a circling of the wagons from the rest of us against the shrill calls from the over excitable.
Names the positives from this season.....
By same token don't let your full support of him get in the way of ignoring all the negative from his Villa reign so far.
PS 'decent man', yes he may be but that is totally irralavent - it's how he does in the job that I care about.
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I won't be protesting, I don't think its very dignified,and it won't acheive anything anyway.
I did not want Mcleish, and he has done little to win me over (not that he has to).
My fear is that his track record in the prem reaks of failure.
Even after spending huge (for them) amounts of money, he still took a team down.
Even after winning a trophy, the pinnacle of the clubs history, and with 3 months to see relegation looming, he still took a team down. He did not have the nous or ability to change his approach to the game and try and save his team from the drop.
I really can't see this 'give him time' and 'give him the backing/money' argument.
His record says that with both, he will still blow it.
Personally, I would rather not take the risk that he will come good, his history does not support it.
On a seperate note, there are some very self rightous people on here, telling others what they should and should not do.
Anyone and everyone has a right to protest.
Its a way to get your views aired, its the reason that the EDL can protest.
The anti foxhunting lobby could protest.
The anti-government cuts brigade could protest.
Just because we might not agree with it, doesn't mean it cannot or should not happen for the people who feel strongly enough about it.
If some want to protest let them, its up to them.
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The Liverpool performance was one of the most gutless performances ive have ever seen and i again vowed i wouldnt set foot in villa park again, whilst mcleish was still there.
Then we played arsenal, and since then i have seen a lot more improvement, in an attacking sense at least which is what we were crying out for. True we struggle defensively still but eventually i believe that could be put right with time.
All that anger i had during the summer has gone now, as i actually see some potential in our team now. I wouldnt say im a Mcleish convert now, but sacking him now would be futile, and put us back to 'square one'. I personally give him the rest of this season and all of next season and see where we are as a team then.
Absolutely. Whilst I'm yet to be 'converted', I do see something that looks potentially very exciting, don't get me wrong, it still could go either way but there are signs that we could become a very attractive footballing side given time. As I've mentioned numerous times, I'm more confident knowing that we have Kevin McDonald and Sid coaching the team, add to that AM's desire to prove doubters wrong that his sides play "dull" football. Whilst MON talked the talk, I had zero confidence in Walford and Robertson's ability as coaches. It's one aspect of modern football that can no longer be ignored.
It was always going to be a tough season but as you said, there most certainly are signs that we may be close to playing to our potential. The one thing we're really lacking is some confidence and if we can find that we really could finish the season in some style. Lots of 'ifs' I know but the fans have a part to play, it's a two way thing. Just think back to the last game at Villa Park and how in the second half both the fans and team combined to make it once again a special place to be.
After so many years of poor football at Villa Park, I think we more than deserve our share of entertainment, something McLeish recognises and is trying to develop. Whether he can deliver is another matter but he deserves the chance to give it a go.
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Of course its within anyones right to protest, those protests you mention are all worthy of mass demonstrations. But if you are going to protest, make it a worthy cause. Are all of our current problems purely down to Mcleish? If we were, in say, Portsmouth position, then yes, il be down protesting, but are things really that bad at the moment.
Im dont think im being self righteous in dismissing the protestors, i just dont want a few mindless idiots giving further ammunition to the likes of the mail/mercury and them w*****s at talk sport to ridicule our proud club.
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I really can't see this 'give him time' and 'give him the backing/money' argument.
His record says that with both, he will still blow it.
Personally, I would rather not take the risk that he will come good, his history does not support it.
Me neither, really. I do enjoy the fact that those who do have serious concerns about McLeish (and I did, and still do) have our misgivings so easily blown away. I'm confident in my judgement on his ability to take the team forward, but in every sense I'm giving him time to convince me. I don't have a lot of choice in that, the length of time he has at VP is out on my control, so I continue to wait and watch for signs of progress.
I admit to needing a bit of help in finding the positives, to be honest.
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... i just dont want a few mindless idiots giving further ammunition to the likes of the mail/mercury and them w*****s at talk sport to ridicule our proud club.
This.
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Of course its within anyones right to protest, those protests you mention are all worthy of mass demonstrations. But if you are going to protest, make it a worthy cause. Are all of our current problems purely down to Mcleish? If we were, in say, Portsmouth position, then yes, il be down protesting, but are things really that bad at the moment.
Im dont think im being self righteous in dismissing the protestors, i just dont want a few mindless idiots giving further ammunition to the likes of the mail/mercury and them w*****s at talk sport to ridicule our proud club.
Exactly.
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As far as protests go well, come on lads dont be silly, if this was blues, we would laughing ourselves silly at them.
Please dont shame our proud club in front of the monument of one of our founding fathers on sunday. We are better than that, we have more class than that. We all love the villa, potential protesters or not, lets get behind the team and manager on sunday and be proud of our club not embarrased by it.
I agree with this man! Come on the Villa-let's throw a spanner into that horrid team's works on Sunday. They are horrible and plastic...we can beat them.
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I won't be protesting, I don't think its very dignified,and it won't acheive anything anyway.
I did not want Mcleish, and he has done little to win me over (not that he has to).
My fear is that his track record in the prem reaks of failure.
Even after spending huge (for them) amounts of money, he still took a team down.
Even after winning a trophy, the pinnacle of the clubs history, and with 3 months to see relegation looming, he still took a team down. He did not have the nous or ability to change his approach to the game and try and save his team from the drop.
I really can't see this 'give him time' and 'give him the backing/money' argument.
His record says that with both, he will still blow it.
Personally, I would rather not take the risk that he will come good, his history does not support it.
On a seperate note, there are some very self rightous people on here, telling others what they should and should not do.
Anyone and everyone has a right to protest.
Its a way to get your views aired, its the reason that the EDL can protest.
The anti foxhunting lobby could protest.
The anti-government cuts brigade could protest.
Just because we might not agree with it, doesn't mean it cannot or should not happen for the people who feel strongly enough about it.
If some want to protest let them, its up to them.
A bit of muddled thinking there, Andy. You appear to be defending the rights of people to protest but objecting to those exercising their right to disagree.
Having the right to do something is not the same as it being the right thing to do.
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You've got to accentuate the positive
Eliminate the negative
And latch on to the affirmative
Don't mess with Mister In-Between
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Does having the financial wherewithal to attend most/all Villa games mean that said Villa fans views on the club (or matters pertaining to) are infallible?
You can definitely make a pretty logical argument that if he has seen -for example- one of our promising young players over an extended period of time he might know a bit more about him than the stayaway lot. Or the overseas/ expat crew.
I get the impression that DC5 was a fan of McLesh long before he came to B6 though, and was far from unhappy that he was appointed. Which is a bit different. If I've misjudged that, I apologise.
I admire the way he defends him on here, even if I don't share his admiration for the ginner one.
Some of the blind faith put in McLesh on here is getting quite boring.
He is going nowhere and we are not going down.
A nothing season whenever there was one.
But the jumping up and down when somebody has a go at the Ginger One is getting silly.
The days of a balanced debate have gone because of the stupid protest sites and people are getting way too protective.
I don'r see any blind faith. Instead what I see, from the more balanced amongst us, is a willingness to give a decent man a fair crack of the whip. So much of the criticism lacks any balance, concentrating entirely on any negatives in his record and declaring the positives as irrelevant. I think that attitude leads to a circling of the wagons from the rest of us against the shrill calls from the over excitable.
Names the positives from this season.....
By same token don't let your full support of him get in the way of ignoring all the negative from his Villa reign so far.
PS 'decent man', yes he may be but that is totally irralavent - it's how he does in the job that I care about.
Where have I stated I have "full support"? As with any appointment it takes time, he had half a team sold from under him and only given part of the money to bring in replacements. My view is that whichever manager had taken over would have taken time to sort things out and that this season was only ever going to see us around mid table.
The biggest positive for me is the opportunities given to the youngsters to stake their claim for a future at Villa. This will serve us well for the future and I think McLeish has handled them particularly well.
In the past 6 weeks or so we've seen a new confidence in our attacking play, sadly sloppy defending has undermined much of that but it does give me reason for cautious optimism for the future.
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Like most people on here I didn't want him but i tend to feel most of the blame lies with Lerner rather than AM on that one. I thought we were pretty awful upto Christmas but since then the team's shown a bit of potential here and there that hints at hope. I still think he's probably doomed long term without money but unless we start looking really in the shit this season he deserves a bit of time to try and fix things.
Protests are fine. What got most people's backs up was the likes of DazzyG calling us morons if we didn't agree with him. It's also hard to read some of his arguements and see some of the flids protesting and want to join them. They don't exactly come across as Mensa members
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I'm genuinely interested in what the protestors think they are going to achieve? What do they want to come out of their protest, and how do they think things are going to pan out after?
Do they honestly think they're going to get McLeish sacked? What is it about protesting that they can get rather than existing methods of protest like, say, booing at the end of the match, which they can do along with far more people?
It really is all a bit silly.
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Of course its within anyones right to protest, those protests you mention are all worthy of mass demonstrations. But if you are going to protest, make it a worthy cause. Are all of our current problems purely down to Mcleish? If we were, in say, Portsmouth position, then yes, il be down protesting, but are things really that bad at the moment.
Im dont think im being self righteous in dismissing the protestors, i just dont want a few mindless idiots giving further ammunition to the likes of the mail/mercury and them w*****s at talk sport to ridicule our proud club.
Why would you be worried what any media thinks does or says about us?
As for protesting if we were in Portsmouths position, that would be even more pointless because that would change nothing.
Personally I say just leave the protesters too it, I'd much prefer them protesting outside the ground than booing inside it!
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Of course its within anyones right to protest, those protests you mention are all worthy of mass demonstrations. But if you are going to protest, make it a worthy cause. Are all of our current problems purely down to Mcleish? If we were, in say, Portsmouth position, then yes, il be down protesting, but are things really that bad at the moment.
Im dont think im being self righteous in dismissing the protestors, i just dont want a few mindless idiots giving further ammunition to the likes of the mail/mercury and them w*****s at talk sport to ridicule our proud club.
Another excellent post.
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Another thing. If Maz's mate's mate is correct and we do have rich Arab princes sniffing around, a pathetic bunch of teenagers shouting obscenities around the McGregor statue is going to look really good as he walks into reception on the way to the executive boxes.
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This whole protester thing is very embarrassing.
We aren't at the bottom of the league, we aren't at the top.
We could do with some inward investment and / or a buy out, but that takes time.
I'm as pissed off with the number of lacklustre home performances and crass defending as anyone, but the club isn't deserving of a protest.
We are Aston Villa FC - GET BEHIND THE TEAM I say !
Impatience is no virtue.
Now Risso and Dave, as we were .... :)
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They were protesting for the wrong reasons in the summer and they're protesting for the wrong reasons now. They're just too stupid to realise it.
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They were protesting for the wrong reasons in the summer and they're protesting for the wrong reasons now. They're just too stupid to realise it.
Fans ARE entitled to say what they feel am i correct? Fans who do not agree should not knock the fans who do not agree with who the manager is. The appointment of McLeish was wrong from all aspects not just because of where he came from this is very old hat now before anyone posts the comment but why should the fans who want to protest be ridiculed by the fans who are happy or the fans who are afraid to go against his admirers.
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Glad you're on dazzy. Could you answer me this question please?
What IF you were successful in your protest and Randy sacks McLeish?
What does the protesting group want to happen next?
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Personally, I didn't want McLeish, and still think he was the wrong appointment. The main reason for this IS that he is ex Blues. I personally don't care where he came from, (like people have said, results matter to me, and if he is the man to get them, then great) but the fact he came from there created too much unnecessary controversy. It's a stick to beat him with for people who want to have a go, and sparks band-wagon-jumping idiots to join bollocks protests like these.
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They were protesting for the wrong reasons in the summer and they're protesting for the wrong reasons now. They're just too stupid to realise it.
Fans ARE entitled to say what they feel am i correct? Fans who do not agree should not knock the fans who do not agree with who the manager is. The appointment of McLeish was wrong from all aspects not just because of where he came from this is very old hat now before anyone posts the comment but why should the fans who want to protest be ridiculed by the fans who are happy or the fans who are afraid to go against his admirers.
You don't have to be an AMc admirer not to protest.
If we win, and I know it's a big if, and then win 3 games on the trot, will these guys still protest ?
It's an embarrassing and premature protest as we just aren't THAT bad.
I think that there's a lot of pent up anti SHA ex Manager stuff going on here.
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They were protesting for the wrong reasons in the summer and they're protesting for the wrong reasons now. They're just too stupid to realise it.
Fans ARE entitled to say what they feel am i correct?
Quite right Dazzy, but considering you came on here and called people 'moron's', you should try following your own advice.
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Personally, I didn't want McLeish, and still think he was the wrong appointment. The main reason for this IS that he is ex Blues. I personally don't care where he came from, (like people have said, results matter to me, and if he is the man to get them, then great) but the fact he came from there created too much unnecessary controversy. It's a stick to beat him with for people who want to have a go, and sparks band-wagon-jumping idiots to join bollocks protests like these.
That's a very good point.
Mcleish basically needs to win the league to win some over, but finances being what they are, I'd argue he's not been even been given a fighting chance to keep us 9th.
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I don't think it helps that the Knuckledraggers are doing so well at the moment and the thought that there's a slight possibility of us going down and them coming up is throwing them into a complete panic.MO'N getting off to such a flyer against Sunderland probably doesn't help matters either
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Personally, I didn't want McLeish, and still think he was the wrong appointment. The main reason for this IS that he is ex Blues. I personally don't care where he came from, (like people have said, results matter to me, and if he is the man to get them, then great) but the fact he came from there created too much unnecessary controversy. It's a stick to beat him with for people who want to have a go, and sparks band-wagon-jumping idiots to join bollocks protests like these.
That's a very good point.
Mcleish basically needs to win the league to win some over, but finances being what they are, I'd argue he's not been even been given a fighting chance to keep us 9th.
To be honest, I dont think that would be enough for some.
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Another thing. If Maz's mate's mate is correct and we do have rich Arab princes sniffing around, a pathetic bunch of teenagers shouting obscenities around the McGregor statue is going to look really good as he walks into reception on the way to the executive boxes.
So they shouldn't protest in case some bloke off the Internet's mates story about rich arab investors is true? :o ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Another thing. If Maz's mate's mate is correct and we do have rich Arab princes sniffing around, a pathetic bunch of teenagers shouting obscenities around the McGregor statue is going to look really good as he walks into reception on the way to the executive boxes.
So they shouldn't protest in case some bloke off the Internet's mates story about rich arab investors is true? :o ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I'm pretty sure that was tongue in cheek
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Fans ARE entitled to say what they feel am i correct? Fans who do not agree should not knock the fans who do not agree with who the manager is.
You really do make it too easy you thick sod. You argue for freedom of speech but then qualify it by saying those who disagree with you aren't entitled to speak up.
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What I cannot fathom is why protest now? Nothing dramatic has happened to kick people into a tailspin and we have showed signs of improvement of late. It makes no sense.
And, what exactly do they think it will achieve? After all the furore of the initial appointment, do they honestly believe that a bit of whining about us being mid table is really going to get him the sack?
Its bonkers and incredibly small time. We used to laugh at other clubs for doing stuff like this.
And that Daz is why I say that anyone involved with this protest is a buffoon.
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What I cannot fathom is why protest now? Nothing dramatic has happened to kick people into a tailspin and we have showed signs of improvement of late. It makes no sense.
And, what exactly do they think it will achieve? After all the furore of the initial appointment, do they honestly believe that a bit of whining about us being mid table is really going to get him the sack?
It makes more sense if you look at it without applying logic or intelligence.
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What I cannot fathom is why protest now? Nothing dramatic has happened to kick people into a tailspin and we have showed signs of improvement of late. It makes no sense.
And, what exactly do they think it will achieve? After all the furore of the initial appointment, do they honestly believe that a bit of whining about us being mid table is really going to get him the sack?
It makes more sense if you look at it without applying logic or intelligence.
It's because Blues are looking like promotion contenders.There wouldn't be a protest if they were 17th
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I think this protest is about as likely as finding a bluenose in Sherlock Street. A few slack jawed simpletons will try a few 'McCleish Out' chants, before disappearing into a disinterested crowd.
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I think this protest is about as likely as finding a bluenose in Sherlock Street. A few slack jawed simpletons will try a few 'McCleish Out' chants, before disappearing into a disinterested crowd.
I quite agree. The wanton apathy that is prevalent... oh I can't be bothered.
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Another thing. If Maz's mate's mate is correct and we do have rich Arab princes sniffing around, a pathetic bunch of teenagers shouting obscenities around the McGregor statue is going to look really good as he walks into reception on the way to the executive boxes.
So they shouldn't protest in case some bloke off the Internet's mates story about rich arab investors is true? :o ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
No, they shouldn't protest because they are a bunch of ******, but this could be an unwelcome side effect.
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Lerner gave MON a lot of money and not all of it was well spent, AMC is having to live with in a budget set at present.
When DOL did not have much to spend he reminded the world of that at every press confrence, interview etc.
AMC is getting on with things and unlike DOL for example does not give the impression he is doing us a favour by being in the dugout.
There are a few fans who would like to see him turn things round and give him a bit more time, remeber he was employed by blues and is not a fan.
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They are all pricks. End of.
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They are all pricks. End of.
Why have we got to 11 pages when it has been nicely summed up in 6 words here?
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It's no surprise but for the hard of thinking..
Shay Given has urged Aston Villa fans not to protest against Alex McLeish - insisting the players are to blame for the team's below-par performances.
Fans are set to voice their dismay at the Scottish boss ahead of the Villans’ match with Manchester City on Sunday.
Sections of the Villa Park support have never been behind the 53-year-old after his summer switch from arch-rivals Birmingham.
“People have to realise that Alex McLeish is a great manager and is passionate about doing well for Aston Villa.”
But Republic of Ireland shot-stopper Given claims the players must take more of a responsibility for the club’s disappointing season.
“Protesting does not help the club or the players,” Given told the Alan Brazil Sports Breakfast. “People have to realise that Alex McLeish is a great manager and is passionate about doing well for Aston Villa.
“It’s always easy to blame the manager but players have to stand up and be counted, look themselves in the mirror and put in good performances.
“Maybe some of them are feeling the pressure when playing at home but you’ve got step up, it’s a big club.
“You’ve got to take that pressure on your shoulders and want to play for the club and show the fans that you’re good enough to play in that shirt.
“It’s too easy to blame the manager, he doesn’t cross the white line and as players we have to take responsibility.”
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Meanwhile Real Madrid sit top of La Liga by 7 points, Christiano Ronaldo has 84 goals in 90 games but Madrid legend Roberto Carlos has had to call on the fans to stop booing Ronaldo because they feel his performances have dropped in 2012, what the fuck? Thats crazy.
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Another thing. If Maz's mate's mate is correct and we do have rich Arab princes sniffing around, a pathetic bunch of teenagers shouting obscenities around the McGregor statue is going to look really good as he walks into reception on the way to the executive boxes.
So they shouldn't protest in case some bloke off the Internet's mates story about rich arab investors is true? :o ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
No, they shouldn't protest because they are a bunch of c***s, but this could be an unwelcome side effect.
WOW
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Meanwhile Real Madrid sit top of La Liga by 7 points, Christiano Ronaldo has 84 goals in 90 games but Madrid legend Roberto Carlos has had to call on the fans to stop booing Ronaldo because they feel his performances have dropped in 2012, what the fuck? Thats crazy.
Some of our fans would boo us whilst lifting the FA Cup if McLeish was in charge at the time.
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Another thing. If Maz's mate's mate is correct and we do have rich Arab princes sniffing around, a pathetic bunch of teenagers shouting obscenities around the McGregor statue is going to look really good as he walks into reception on the way to the executive boxes.
So they shouldn't protest in case some bloke off the Internet's mates story about rich arab investors is true? :o ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
No, they shouldn't protest because they are a bunch of c***s, but this could be an unwelcome side effect.
WOW
Sometimes it just has to be said. And if this pathetic protest does actually happen the protesters can expect a volley of the same coming their way.
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Sadly as sport is a business, the only time the club would take notice is if income is down and shows no sign of improving. And as football is a unique business, even a Gerald Ratner type rant against fans wouldn't even affect the amount of fans turning up.
It is only when enough individual fans stop bothering to buy tickets will the club realise there is a problem.
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Another thing. If Maz's mate's mate is correct and we do have rich Arab princes sniffing around, a pathetic bunch of teenagers shouting obscenities around the McGregor statue is going to look really good as he walks into reception on the way to the executive boxes.
So they shouldn't protest in case some bloke off the Internet's mates story about rich arab investors is true? :o ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Ok, then what about any new manager who might replace McLeish? What if he sees the protests on the TV and thinks 'I don't want to work there. They'll be quickly on my back if I don't get off to a flyer.' and it puts him off going for the job?
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Another thing. If Maz's mate's mate is correct and we do have rich Arab princes sniffing around, a pathetic bunch of teenagers shouting obscenities around the McGregor statue is going to look really good as he walks into reception on the way to the executive boxes.
So they shouldn't protest in case some bloke off the Internet's mates story about rich arab investors is true? :o ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Ok, then what about any new manager who might replace McLeish? What if he sees the protests on the TV and thinks 'I don't want to work there. They'll be quickly on my back if I don't get off to a flyer.' and it puts him off going for the job?
Are you saying MON wouldn't of known about some of the stick DOL got? Managers arent bothered by a few supporters chanting their discontent. The majority or players and managers don't give a hoot what fans think or say.
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I think this protest is about as likely as finding a bluenose in Sherlock Street. A few slack jawed simpletons will try a few 'McCleish Out' chants, before disappearing into a disinterested crowd.
The trouble is the number who turn up to see how many are going to be there.
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Are you saying MON wouldn't of known about some of the stick DOL got? Managers arent bothered by a few supporters chanting their discontent. The majority or players and managers don't give a hoot what fans think or say.
So why protest then?
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From yahoo sport on twitter.
McLeish vows to `get it right' at Villa
Fri, 10 Feb 15:40:04 2012
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Aston Villa manager Alex McLeish has come out fighting ahead of a proposed fans' protest before Sunday's home game with Manchester City and insisted: "I'll get it right at this club."
The `Vital Villa' fans' website posted a message earlier this week calling on supporters to voice their feelings an hour before the meeting with the current Barclays Premier League leaders.
But McLeish has thanked the majority of fans for their backing of his players in what he admits was always going to be a season of transition with Villa hovering around midtable.
McLeish said: "I know there were a few Villa fans at the start of the season expressed dissent at me becoming a manager. That is out of my control but I know the silent majority of Villa fans have been absolutely tremendous in supporting the team home and away.
"I've met some of the fans and I really felt their passion but I think they felt mine as well - and I'm determined I'll get it right at this club.
"I do believe in one or two other seasons there have been sticky moments as well. This season is a bit of a rollercoaster but the points are there for us to climb the table."
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Must admit, I'm slightly surprised at some players (well, Given, at least) and the manager commenting on this.
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I wonder if the protest would have the same momentum if Birmingham weren't doing so well.
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I wonder if the protest would have the same momentum if Birmingham weren't doing so well.
Exactly what I posted earlier If Blues were 17th it wouldn't be happening
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Must admit, I'm slightly surprised at some players (well, Given, at least) and the manager commenting on this.
If they are asked then they are better giving an honest answer rather than allowing tabloid journalists to spin their "no comment" to their own ends.
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Are you saying MON wouldn't of known about some of the stick DOL got? Managers arent bothered by a few supporters chanting their discontent. The majority or players and managers don't give a hoot what fans think or say.
So why protest then?
You need to ask someone taking part in the protest that!
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...but why should the fans who want to protest be ridiculed by the fans who are happy or the fans who are afraid to go against his admirers.
That McLeish out website has backfired on you and your cronies. There was hardly a message of support on there, but plenty of people taking the piss. If the protest is anything like the one in June, you will be ridiculed by more than just McLeish supporters. Everyone watching on TV will be in tears of laughter. Your own fault for calling the media in.
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They were protesting for the wrong reasons in the summer and they're protesting for the wrong reasons now. They're just too stupid to realise it.
Fans ARE entitled to say what they feel am i correct? Fans who do not agree should not knock the fans who do not agree with who the manager is.
So basically YOU can say what YOU think but no-ONE is allowed TO disagree with you.
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They were protesting for the wrong reasons in the summer and they're protesting for the wrong reasons now. They're just too stupid to realise it.
Fans ARE entitled to say what they feel am i correct? Fans who do not agree should not knock the fans who do not agree with who the manager is.
So basically YOU can say what YOU think but no-ONE is allowed TO disagree with you.
He has tied himself up in so many knots that he might even be AGAINST the protest by Sunday.
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I'd protest if I thought there would be the slightest chance of McLeish going as a result, but there isn't.
I can't wait for this season to be over, it's been an absolute nightmare, especially at Villa Park. I understand those that want to vent their frustration even if I do think it's a wasted enterprise. My protest will be to not renew, and when they no doubt call me to ask why I've stopped going after 16 years my answer will be very straightforward.
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Should be an anti-protest really. Meet opposite the statue at 2.50pm and sing chants constantly. Hopefully the nutters that turned up, in last weeks unwashed clothes with piss-stained bedsheets, wont be able to be heard by any journo who thinks its worth turning up to see if they can get a printable/broadcastable sentence.
An hour of actually supporting the club/team... who'd have thought?
Then we can all go back to screaming abuse at kick off if a substitution isnt made at the exact moment we want one.
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There was a mention on Radio 5 this evening. Perry Groves was very dismissive.
That's Perry Groves. Very dismissive. Take the shame protestors.
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Why didn't these pricks protest when we were in the bottom 3 under GH? Or when we had that crap run under MON in his first season and were lower than we are now? Or when we were dying on our arse under DOL? Oh yeah, none of them had managed small heath. But it's not about where he came from, no siree Bob.
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exactly. I wouldnt have agreed but I would be far more understanding if this was the 30th game of last year where we were looking very much like we could be relegated. I wouldnt have wanted a protest but I definitely would have been able to understand many peoples desire for one.
Not this time round. After Man City we have four must win games to save our season imo after that we'll hopefully be safe, protesting before big home games before then (or before end of season) is ridiculous. I wouldnt protest either way but if your going to, wait until end of season or something.
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I don't know if it's so much because he managed Small Heath as that fans are now much more impatient than they were. Plus Wankbook and Twatter have taken over the World in the last few years. If you can't even be arsed to write a letter to the Mail then you can't be that good a protester as far as I'm concerned. Why not use the new media as a force for good and overthrow the Government like the North African nations did?
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I'd protest if I thought there would be the slightest chance of McLeish going as a result, but there isn't.
I can't wait for this season to be over, it's been an absolute nightmare, especially at Villa Park. I understand those that want to vent their frustration even if I do think it's a wasted enterprise. My protest will be to not renew, and when they no doubt call me to ask why I've stopped going after 16 years my answer will be very straightforward.
Do you really understand those that want to protest?
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So much talk of protest. I reckon the atmos will be more a continuation of the QPR game even though we're playing the probable champions and will probably lose. Its the Blackburn and Bolton games when the fans will be expecting/demanding wins and the pressure will be on.
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Why didn't these pricks protest when we were in the bottom 3 under GH? Or when we had that crap run under MON in his first season and were lower than we are now? Or when we were dying on our arse under DOL? Oh yeah, none of them had managed small heath. But it's not about where he came from, no siree Bob.
Houllier - He had no pre-season, inherited a team in crisis and then had to endure a terrible run of injuries. You could see that he was trying to get us to play football. He also had a much better reputation than McLeish. Given all that it's no wonder there were no protests.
O'Neill - First season he inherited a team that had flirted with relegation the previous season and had a tiny squad following years of under investment. He also had a better reputation than McLeish. Again, totally different to this season.
O'Leary - There were protests but of a different kind i.e. banners and 'O'leary' out chants, 'getting sacked in the morning' etc. He was also a popular appointment and did well for a time, which probably earned him a bit more sympathy than McLeish who wasn't wanted and has done nothing to change my mind at least.
I'm firmly in the McLeish out camp, but I couldn't give a monkeys about him managing Small Heath. They are insignificant to me. What is relevant is his Premier League record, our pathetic attempts at winning football matches at Villa Park, the dreadful atmosphere his appointment has created, the fact that even though we sold Downing and Young we still have a vastly superior squad of players at our disposal to the likes of Norwich and Swansea and yet we continuously look like a team of strangers by comparison. When he came in I at least thought he'd sort the defence out but we still look like a parks team every time the ball comes in our area.
I guess I'll have egg on my face next season if he stays, I stop going and he turns it around, but there is no evidence past or present that he is capable of that so for now I'm standing by my opinion. I won't protest but I won't call the protesters 'pricks' either.
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Another thing. If Maz's mate's mate is correct and we do have rich Arab princes sniffing around, a pathetic bunch of teenagers shouting obscenities around the McGregor statue is going to look really good as he walks into reception on the way to the executive boxes.
So they shouldn't protest in case some bloke off the Internet's mates story about rich arab investors is true? :o ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
No, they shouldn't protest because they are a bunch of c***s, but this could be an unwelcome side effect.
WOW
You protesting?
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Houllier was much worse than McLeish.
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You only think that because he was French. I can't bear to think what would happen under mcleish if we got a proper injury crisis like last year. Houllier was on the verge of bringing in some very good players too.
Not to mention much better football and the fact Dunne, Hutton,Collins.and Warnock wouldnt be here.
Think delph looked very good in his cameos last season too compared to this, would've been excited to see him fully fit under houllier. We poetically would be on the verge of seeing one of grealish or graham around the first team from what I've heard/read about houllier too.
Alot of people hated houllier but I was genuinely excited to see what her would do with his own team in here, we played some good football at times under him.
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With regard to Mcleish's statement, can a silent majority provide great backing?
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You only think that because he was French. I can't bear to think what would happen under mcleish if we got a proper injury crisis like last year. Houllier was on the verge of bringing in some very good players too.
Not to mention much better football and the fact Dunne, Hutton,Collins.and Warnock wouldnt be here.
Think delph looked very good in his cameos last season too compared to this, would've been excited to see him fully fit under houllier. We poetically would be on the verge of seeing one of grealish or graham around the first team from what I've heard/read about houllier too.
Alot of people hated houllier but I was genuinely excited to see what her would do with his own team in here, we played some good football at times under him.
People really are looking back with rose tinted glasses at Houllier's time, a manager who even had Gabby questioning his future at Villa. Results only improved after he was ill and MacDonald and McAllister reverted to playing the way the players new best.
In time he "might" have sorted things out but his man management skills were almost non existent and he was forever upsetting sections of the fan base such as with his fawning, arse licking performance at Anfield.
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Another thing. If Maz's mate's mate is correct and we do have rich Arab princes sniffing around, a pathetic bunch of teenagers shouting obscenities around the McGregor statue is going to look really good as he walks into reception on the way to the executive boxes.
So they shouldn't protest in case some bloke off the Internet's mates story about rich arab investors is true? :o ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
No, they shouldn't protest because they are a bunch of c***s, but this could be an unwelcome side effect.
WOW
You protesting?
No not for me!
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I don't think anyone is pining for Houiller as such, it's maybe just a touch of curiosity as to what might have happened if the likes of Cabaye and Ba had come in and what he would have done with the defence. His man-management did leave a lot to be desired though.
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I don't think anyone is pining for Houiller as such, it's maybe just a touch of curiosity as to what might have happened if the likes of Cabaye and Ba had come in and what he would have done with the defence. His man-management did leave a lot to be desired though.
Yeah definitely I think Houllier was intent on building the club rather than a MON style instant hit, shame we'll never get to see what he had planned!
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Also the fact that he identified our problem players and was looking to get shot of them,and by chance they are the same ones who are letting us down most weeks this season. But you're right,its mainly the what if thing which gets our mind wondering what could've been different this season.
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So much talk of protest. I reckon the atmos will be more a continuation of the QPR game even though we're playing the probable champions and will probably lose. Its the Blackburn and Bolton games when the fans will be expecting/demanding wins and the pressure will be on.
We have to pick and choose a few games a year so always target the so-called 6-pointers such as last season's "scarf day" vs Newcastle. We will be at the Bolton game and then see whaich match end of season is the most important to the team.
We seldom attend "big" matches just to see "star" players. I go to watch the Villa.
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Think we need more things like that this year. After Man City we have four games to really save our season imo. After that we dont have an easy game or point until next season.
City, Wigan, Blackburn, Fulham, Bolton, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Stoke, Utd, Sunderland, WBA, Spurs, Norwich.
Looking at that, if we have a run of draws again between Wigan-Bolton we could be seriously in the shit. The home games (Chelsea, Stoke, Spurs, Sunderland) could all do with big inputs of support like we had at times last season.
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I'd protest if I thought there would be the slightest chance of McLeish going as a result, but there isn't.
I can't wait for this season to be over, it's been an absolute nightmare, especially at Villa Park. I understand those that want to vent their frustration even if I do think it's a wasted enterprise. My protest will be to not renew, and when they no doubt call me to ask why I've stopped going after 16 years my answer will be very straightforward.
Do you really understand those that want to protest?
I don't think they know why they are protesting,certainly what they are trying to achieve beyond the demise of AM. Probably seems a good idea to them, like a kebab of a dirty van when pissed at 2.00am
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I wonder how many will protest? I will go for 53
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I wonder how many will protest? I will go for 53
I'll go for a handful of twats carrying bed sheets
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My guess is 8
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I wonder how many will protest? I will go for 53
I'll go for a handful of twats carrying bed sheets
Is Kenny Daglish and Surez going along then?
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I'm more concerned about the club getting more points on the board to be bothered about a protest. Is the football match still the main event tomorrow?
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I think the protests a great idea, in fact, i think to really fuck the club up, we should start with 10 men tomorrow, no, bollox, make it 9, and really go for it, GIVE THE BLOKE A CHANCE!!!!, this was always going to be a dodgy season, we lost 4 first team regulars and we were always going to feel it, i`m more concerned with the lack of investment during January. A protest just further undermines everything, wait till the seasons over and then take stock.
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The time to protest will be in the summer if there's no sign of Randy releasing funds for new players. That is the real problem. Fans who feel so strongly can hold back renewing their season tickets until there's signs of some transfers in. Until then, we all need to back the manager to get the best out of the players we are stuck with for the remainder of the season. Any new manager at this stage will still have the same problems as McLeish.
Back McLeish, back the team, up the Villa.
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The last three posts sum up my feelings entirely. "Is the football match still the main event tomorrow?" is the most pertinent thing I've heard.
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The time to protest will be in the summer if there's no sign of Randy releasing funds for new players. That is the real problem. Fans who feel so strongly can hold back renewing their season tickets until there's signs of some transfers in. Until then, we all need to back the manager to get the best out of the players we are stuck with for the remainder of the season. Any new manager at this stage will still have the same problems as McLeish.
Back McLeish, back the team, up the Villa.
Mate well said thats the best post I have read on here for months......take a bow
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The last three posts sum up my feelings entirely. "Is the football match still the main event tomorrow?" is the most pertinent thing I've heard.
I vote for a thread title change - 'The football match IS the main event tomorrow'
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The time to protest will be in the summer if there's no sign of Randy releasing funds for new players. That is the real problem. Fans who feel so strongly can hold back renewing their season tickets until there's signs of some transfers in. Until then, we all need to back the manager to get the best out of the players we are stuck with for the remainder of the season. Any new manager at this stage will still have the same problems as McLeish.
Back McLeish, back the team, up the Villa.
Nice sentiment but a good manager would get better results with the squad we already have. Look at the teams above us in the league who have far less resources. What evidence is there that we would do any better even if McLeish did make a few signings? For me we'd be better off getting a decent manager and spending £10 million than giving McLeish £20 million.
I back the team and sing as much as anyone when I'm in the ground, but if the club thinks that our performances at Villa Park this season are acceptable and they don't make a change then I fear quite a few like myself will find it hard to part with £500 in June.
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The time to protest will be in the summer if there's no sign of Randy releasing funds for new players. That is the real problem. Fans who feel so strongly can hold back renewing their season tickets until there's signs of some transfers in. Until then, we all need to back the manager to get the best out of the players we are stuck with for the remainder of the season. Any new manager at this stage will still have the same problems as McLeish.
Back McLeish, back the team, up the Villa.
Nice sentiment but a good manager would get better results with the squad we already have. Look at the teams above us in the league who have far less resources. What evidence is there that we would do any better even if McLeish did make a few signings? For me we'd be better off getting a decent manager and spending £10 million than giving McLeish £20 million.
I back the team and sing as much as anyone when I'm in the ground, but if the club thinks that our performances at Villa Park this season are acceptable and they don't make a change then I fear quite a few like myself will find it hard to part with £500 in June.
Last season we finished ninth and then git rid of six of that team (Freidel, Walker, Young, Reo Coker, Downing and Young) and other than the GK have not replaced them with players of an equal quality, if at all. I don't see the logic in saying we should be doing much better.
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You can't really say we got rid of Walker as he was never ours to get rid of.
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The time to protest will be in the summer if there's no sign of Randy releasing funds for new players. That is the real problem. Fans who feel so strongly can hold back renewing their season tickets until there's signs of some transfers in. Until then, we all need to back the manager to get the best out of the players we are stuck with for the remainder of the season. Any new manager at this stage will still have the same problems as McLeish.
Back McLeish, back the team, up the Villa.
Nice sentiment but a good manager would get better results with the squad we already have. Look at the teams above us in the league who have far less resources. What evidence is there that we would do any better even if McLeish did make a few signings? For me we'd be better off getting a decent manager and spending £10 million than giving McLeish £20 million.
I back the team and sing as much as anyone when I'm in the ground, but if the club thinks that our performances at Villa Park this season are acceptable and they don't make a change then I fear quite a few like myself will find it hard to part with £500 in June.
Last season we finished ninth and then git rid of six of that team (Freidel, Walker, Young, Reo Coker, Downing and Young) and other than the GK have not replaced them with players of an equal quality, if at all. I don't see the logic in saying we should be doing much better.
So are you saying that the manager wasted the money given to him on Hutton and N'Zogbia.
On paper, the team last year should have done better than it did but suffered with injuries and the players' backlash to the MON years.
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We also didn't have Darren Bent till January last season. I don't think the squads are that different to be honest, sure we lost Young who was brilliant but Given/Friedal are similar, Downing/N'Zogbia are similar, we've seen the likes of Bannan, Gardner and Clark continue their development and improve over where they were a season a go, we've had Bent from day 1. We've had far less injuries than Houllier had to contend with and he had no pre-season to work with the players.
I really wish McLeish hadn't come from Blues, because I think that causes a lot of those who are vocal about not liking him to be automatically discredited when actually there is a lot of evidence that suggests we are right not to want him as our manager. We should be comfortably top half this season with the players we have, instead we are flirting with a relegation battle and getting battered at home to the likes of Swansea, barely scraping points at home and quite often struggling to register more than a couple of shots on target per game, it's miserable really.
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The time to protest will be in the summer if there's no sign of Randy releasing funds for new players. That is the real problem. Fans who feel so strongly can hold back renewing their season tickets until there's signs of some transfers in. Until then, we all need to back the manager to get the best out of the players we are stuck with for the remainder of the season. Any new manager at this stage will still have the same problems as McLeish.
Back McLeish, back the team, up the Villa.
Mate well said thats the best post I have read on here for months......take a bow
This
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We also didn't have Darren Bent till January last season. I don't think the squads are that different to be honest, sure we lost Young who was brilliant but Given/Friedal are similar, Downing/N'Zogbia are similar, we've seen the likes of Bannan, Gardner and Clark continue their development and improve over where they were a season a go, we've had Bent from day 1. We've had far less injuries than Houllier had to contend with and he had no pre-season to work with the players.
I really wish McLeish hadn't come from Blues, because I think that causes a lot of those who are vocal about not liking him to be automatically discredited when actually there is a lot of evidence that suggests we are right not to want him as our manager. We should be comfortably top half this season with the players we have, instead we are flirting with a relegation battle and getting battered at home to the likes of Swansea, barely scraping points at home and quite often struggling to register more than a couple of shots on target per game, it's miserable really.
So you at least give him credit that he's managed to replace two of our key players, lost before he walked through the door, with two players of similar ability, with still a small surplus in fees despite losing one for free?
And what about Downing? And Walker? Luke Young wanted to go back to London. Not the easiest start for a new gaffer. Tell me which team above us as it stands has had that to contend with.
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Newcastle the most similar I guess:
A lot of trouble makers in the dressing room, (Barton, Enrique rows with owners)
Best players wanting (and forcing) moves to other clubs, (Carroll, Barton, Enrique, Nolan - their captain)
A very unhappy fanbase,
An unpopular Managerial Appointment, (especially considering Hughton was so popular)
Spend less money than came in from transfers. (£~45m in sales)
Players wanting out but staying (Collocini was strongly rumoured to want to move to Spain)
But Pardew has done well considering. I think a lot comes down to Graham Carrs fantastic scouting, his finds and recommendations have been superb (Ba, Cabaye, Tiote, Santon etc).
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We also didn't have Darren Bent till January last season. I don't think the squads are that different to be honest, sure we lost Young who was brilliant but Given/Friedal are similar, Downing/N'Zogbia are similar, we've seen the likes of Bannan, Gardner and Clark continue their development and improve over where they were a season a go, we've had Bent from day 1. We've had far less injuries than Houllier had to contend with and he had no pre-season to work with the players.
I really wish McLeish hadn't come from Blues, because I think that causes a lot of those who are vocal about not liking him to be automatically discredited when actually there is a lot of evidence that suggests we are right not to want him as our manager. We should be comfortably top half this season with the players we have, instead we are flirting with a relegation battle and getting battered at home to the likes of Swansea, barely scraping points at home and quite often struggling to register more than a couple of shots on target per game, it's miserable really.
Sorry, but that's crap. We lost half a team and only partly replaced them. We are left with an unbalanced squad which we've had to try and fashion a side from. Under those circumstances mid table is the best any rational observer could expect. At the same time our competitors were all strengthening.
That said, we've improved over recent weeks and months. I put that down to the intelligent way the youngsters have been blooded, the manager being able to do something his predecessor failed to do and get Ireland playing for us and the signing of Keane.
I've rarely known any manager be given so little time by the fickle parts of our support and while they keep clang it's nothing to do with him managing the Noses I think many if them are in denial.
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That said, we've improved over recent weeks and months. I put that down to the intelligent way the youngsters have been blooded, the manager being able to do something his predecessor failed to do and get Ireland playing for us and the signing of Keane.
I've rarely known any manager be given so little time by the fickle parts of our support
First bit - you're right, we have improved in areas of late (over months is stretching it, mind), but there is precious little sign on points on the board.
Second bit - really? Short memory. Look at threads from this time last year about Houllier. I don't remember a handful of gobby twats going on about marches, no, but then again, we hadn't had the extra season of shite to rile us then, either.
Your point about him being an ex Blues manager - maybe we should start a thread purely for those of us who don't give a shit about that full stop, so we don't have to either hear the handful of morons banging on about it against him or the tiresome, catch all "you're only saying that because he managed them" get out of jail free card either, because frankly, you're both (both camps) as bad as each other.
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The thing I find puzzling is how few see the potential of taking a manager from Small Heath.
It really is a win win situation if you stand far enough back and half close your eyes.
We play shit, he gets the blame. Nothing to do with our players being a pretty average bunch as Premiership squads go. McLeish gets the bullet and letsallhaveadisco.
He gets us playing well and he is a priceless jewel we have plucked from Small Heath.
The core of the endlessly raging argument Alex McLeish Tracey Andrews or Mother Theresa? is that a lot of our players are not very good.
Cut it north south east or west, that is the root of everything. A lot of our players are not very good.
And in case anybody thinks that is defeatism or negativism my son Damon and I stood in my garden at dinner time today and agreed that there had been infinitely worse Villa teams and probably would be in the future.
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I started supporting my club in the old third division, loved the club, not the manager or owner.
Had many trials and tribulations, but still love my club, albeit it doesnt affect my life like when I was younger. I didnt want Mcleish, far from it. However, lets be honest, why was he appointed? Maybe because other managers would not put up with the restraints that are going on at the moment. I think he has conducted himself in a good way, he fecked up at Spurs big time , also Liverpool at home, but think he realises now we dont mind losing, but we have to try and win. N'Zogbia us a disgrace, he was awful last week but for one run which created a goal. He needs to put effort in. Likewise Ireland, who was awful when trying to defend that cross for the first goal. Is that all Ecks fault
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I think you're thinking of Warley Wonder or whatever he calls himself now, not Witton Warrior?
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I started supporting my club in the old third division, loved the club, not the manager or owner.
Had many trials and tribulations, but still love my club, albeit it doesnt affect my life like when I was younger. I didnt want Mcleish, far from it. However, lets be honest, why was he appointed? Maybe because other managers would not put up with the restraints that are going on at the moment. I think he has conducted himself in a good way, he fecked up at Spurs big time , also Liverpool at home, but think he realises now we dont mind losing, but we have to try and win. N'Zogbia us a disgrace, he was awful last week but for one run which created a goal. He needs to put effort in. Likewise Ireland, who was awful when trying to defend that cross for the first goal. Is that all Ecks fault
You have a good pedigree, coming from the great 3rd Division days.
Interesting that you noticed how poor N'Zogbia was at Newcastle. He gave most balls away. Some people only see what they want to see.
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I think you're thinking of Warley Wonder or whatever he calls himself now, not Witton Warrior?
Pauline made a mistake. Post deleted. Witton Warrior is top drawer.
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I really wish McLeish hadn't come from Blues, because I think that causes a lot of those who are vocal about not liking him to be automatically discredited when actually there is a lot of evidence that suggests we are right not to want him as our manager.
What a pathetic argument. The default position is to support the club. Those who are against the club have contrived all manner of reasons to justify themselves. The latest one is that it is nothing to do with the manager coming from Blues.
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That said, we've improved over recent weeks and months. I put that down to the intelligent way the youngsters have been blooded, the manager being able to do something his predecessor failed to do and get Ireland playing for us and the signing of Keane.
I've rarely known any manager be given so little time by the fickle parts of our support
First bit - you're right, we have improved in areas of late (over months is stretching it, mind), but there is precious little sign on points on the board.
Second bit - really? Short memory. Look at threads from this time last year about Houllier. I don't remember a handful of gobby twats going on about marches, no, but then again, we hadn't had the extra season of shite to rile us then, either.
Your point about him being an ex Blues manager - maybe we should start a thread purely for those of us who don't give a shit about that full stop, so we don't have to either hear the handful of morons banging on about it against him or the tiresome, catch all "you're only saying that because he managed them" get out of jail free card either, because frankly, you're both (both camps) as bad as each other.
Got to agree with your points there. Our win rate is still one game a month, and we were knocked out of all cups before January's end.
Houllier was given a bit of slack, but that's because 1. He had PL pedigree, 2. The club were dropped in the poo at the last minute when MON left, so fans perhaps knew it was a season of struggle (then again I think you could say the fans views about his performance were probably 80% negative).
In regards to the current manager, 1. The club 'targeted him' when they still had time to look at other candidates, and 2. His PL pedigree is one of struggle and relegation.
Also, the manager has also fallen out with several players (the biggest criticism of Houllier), including ones he signed only this season.
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In regards to the current manager, 1. The club 'targeted him' when they still had time to look at other candidates, and 2. His PL pedigree is one of struggle and relegation.
Also, the manager has also fallen out with several players (the biggest criticism of Houllier), including ones he signed only this season.
What evidence have you got of that?
McLeish may have bollocked a few players. That is part of a manager's job.
O'Neill signed them, fell out with them and didn't play them. That is a waste of club assets.
What is your hidden meaning about McLeish falling out with players all about?
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We also didn't have Darren Bent till January last season. I don't think the squads are that different to be honest, sure we lost Young who was brilliant but Given/Friedal are similar, Downing/N'Zogbia are similar, we've seen the likes of Bannan, Gardner and Clark continue their development and improve over where they were a season a go, we've had Bent from day 1. We've had far less injuries than Houllier had to contend with and he had no pre-season to work with the players.
I really wish McLeish hadn't come from Blues, because I think that causes a lot of those who are vocal about not liking him to be automatically discredited when actually there is a lot of evidence that suggests we are right not to want him as our manager. We should be comfortably top half this season with the players we have, instead we are flirting with a relegation battle and getting battered at home to the likes of Swansea, barely scraping points at home and quite often struggling to register more than a couple of shots on target per game, it's miserable really.
Sorry, but that's crap. We lost half a team and only partly replaced them. We are left with an unbalanced squad which we've had to try and fashion a side from. Under those circumstances mid table is the best any rational observer could expect. At the same time our competitors were all strengthening.
That said, we've improved over recent weeks and months. I put that down to the intelligent way the youngsters have been blooded, the manager being able to do something his predecessor failed to do and get Ireland playing for us and the signing of Keane.
I've rarely known any manager be given so little time by the fickle parts of our support and while they keep clang it's nothing to do with him managing the Noses I think many if them are in denial.
You'll just have to take my word for it that my opinion isn't clouded by his BCFC background.
There are 13 teams above us currently but there aren’t 13 better squads, so what’s going wrong? Are the defenders of McLeish really suggesting that other managers couldn’t do better with what we have available? That home defeats to Swansea are simply unavoidable?
We’ve managed 8 points in the last 6 games which may be a slight improvement on the previous 6 but we’ve not moved up the table. The main issue is our home record, 2 points from 6 games with only 4 goals scored. Next up is Man City, so forgive me for not being optimistic.
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I really wish McLeish hadn't come from Blues, because I think that causes a lot of those who are vocal about not liking him to be automatically discredited when actually there is a lot of evidence that suggests we are right not to want him as our manager.
What a pathetic argument. The default position is to support the club. Those who are against the club have contrived all manner of reasons to justify themselves. The latest one is that it is nothing to do with the manager coming from Blues.
Wanting us to get a better manager is not being 'against the club.' I think we can do better and I want to see us do better, I'm simply expressing that on a message board. I won't be protesting or making a 'McLeish out' banner tomorrow, I'll sit in the Holte End and sing/clap/cheer. My point is that by saying I don't rate McLeish I am labelled a certain way when the reality is different, which is annoying but won't stop me from expressing my opinions.
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I really wish McLeish hadn't come from Blues, because I think that causes a lot of those who are vocal about not liking him to be automatically discredited when actually there is a lot of evidence that suggests we are right not to want him as our manager.
What a pathetic argument. The default position is to support the club. Those who are against the club have contrived all manner of reasons to justify themselves. The latest one is that it is nothing to do with the manager coming from Blues.
Hold on. So your argument is either you have to support the club, which means everything about the club including owner, manager and players or you don't support the club because you don't like what some of them above mentioned are doing.
I hope you take your own advice when next having ago at Bent, Nzogbia or when there is a manager there you don't like.
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Protests wont help or solve anything!! Those going should be shot in front of there familys as Jeremy would say!! (meant in jest of course)
Stan Collymore put on Twitter how big an impact the fans can have on players. Get behind the team! to anyone protesting... take a look at our away form.
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I really wish McLeish hadn't come from Blues, because I think that causes a lot of those who are vocal about not liking him to be automatically discredited when actually there is a lot of evidence that suggests we are right not to want him as our manager.
What a pathetic argument. The default position is to support the club. Those who are against the club have contrived all manner of reasons to justify themselves. The latest one is that it is nothing to do with the manager coming from Blues.
Wanting us to get a better manager is not being 'against the club.' I think we can do better and I want to see us do better, I'm simply expressing that on a message board. I won't be protesting or making a 'McLeish out' banner tomorrow, I'll sit in the Holte End and sing/clap/cheer. My point is that by saying I don't rate McLeish I am labelled a certain way when the reality is different, which is annoying but won't stop me from expressing my opinions.
You talk about 'a lot of those that are vocal about him'. This is a trait of the anti-McLeish mob; trying to imply that there are others all huddling for comfort.
I can't believe, if so many hate the manager, that we haven't heard a chant against him all season, other than 'you don't know what you're doing'.
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Protests wont help or solve anything!! Those going should be shot in front of there familys as Jeremy would say!! (meant in jest of course)
Stan Collymore put on Twitter how big an impact the fans can have on players. Get behind the team! to anyone protesting... take a look at our away form.
I agree with your first paragraph.
Regarding Collymore, he shit on the club and runs with the hare and the hounds. Ignore him.
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I really wish McLeish hadn't come from Blues, because I think that causes a lot of those who are vocal about not liking him to be automatically discredited when actually there is a lot of evidence that suggests we are right not to want him as our manager.
What a pathetic argument. The default position is to support the club. Those who are against the club have contrived all manner of reasons to justify themselves. The latest one is that it is nothing to do with the manager coming from Blues.
Wanting us to get a better manager is not being 'against the club.' I think we can do better and I want to see us do better, I'm simply expressing that on a message board. I won't be protesting or making a 'McLeish out' banner tomorrow, I'll sit in the Holte End and sing/clap/cheer. My point is that by saying I don't rate McLeish I am labelled a certain way when the reality is different, which is annoying but won't stop me from expressing my opinions.
You talk about 'a lot of those that are vocal about him'. This is a trait of the anti-McLeish mob; trying to imply that there are others all huddling for comfort.
I can't believe, if so many hate the manager, that we haven't heard a chant against him all season, other than 'you don't know what you're doing'.
I'm not saying there are a lot of people that think like me, I'm saying that from what I have seen on message boards, heard on phone-ins, experienced in discussions at work, in the pub etc that it's an easy thing to be shot down with this argument when nothing I have ever said against McLeish even mentions Blues. (I actually hate Wolves more than Blues if anything).
Incidentally I've heard chants of 'We want McLeish out' 'We never wanted McLeish' 'We want O'leary back' and 'You're getting sacked in the morning' all in the Holte End this season, a minority involved but the chants were there nonetheless.
Anyway I've articulated my views as best I can so if anyone still wants to label me a non-fan who only dislikes McLeish because he came from Blues, go right ahead, believe whatever you like.
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I really wish McLeish hadn't come from Blues, because I think that causes a lot of those who are vocal about not liking him to be automatically discredited when actually there is a lot of evidence that suggests we are right not to want him as our manager.
What a pathetic argument. The default position is to support the club. Those who are against the club have contrived all manner of reasons to justify themselves. The latest one is that it is nothing to do with the manager coming from Blues.
Wanting us to get a better manager is not being 'against the club.' I think we can do better and I want to see us do better, I'm simply expressing that on a message board. I won't be protesting or making a 'McLeish out' banner tomorrow, I'll sit in the Holte End and sing/clap/cheer. My point is that by saying I don't rate McLeish I am labelled a certain way when the reality is different, which is annoying but won't stop me from expressing my opinions.
You talk about 'a lot of those that are vocal about him'. This is a trait of the anti-McLeish mob; trying to imply that there are others all huddling for comfort.
I can't believe, if so many hate the manager, that we haven't heard a chant against him all season, other than 'you don't know what you're doing'.
I'm not saying there are a lot of people that think like me, I'm saying that from what I have seen on message boards, heard on phone-ins, experienced in discussions at work, in the pub etc that it's an easy thing to be shot down with this argument when nothing I have ever said against McLeish even mentions Blues. (I actually hate Wolves more than Blues if anything).
Incidentally I've heard chants of 'We want McLeish out' 'We never wanted McLeish' 'We want O'leary back' and 'You're getting sacked in the morning' all in the Holte End this season, a minority involved but the chants were there nonetheless.
Anyway I've articulated my views as best I can so if anyone still wants to label me a non-fan who only dislikes McLeish because he came from Blues, go right ahead, believe whatever you like.
I think you have another reason for disliking McLeish but doubt that all the sheep that you have been listening to have the same agenda.
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We are in a relegation battle and we have a manager who has proved on a consistant basis that he cannot get out of it.
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Relegation battle. My arse.
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The way other results are going I think the possibility of relegation becoming more likely. I don't think AM is totally responsible though. RL has made that gamble.
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We seem to have spent the past 18 months saying we're in a relegation battle without ever having been in one.
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The table doesn't lie. Things ain't looking good.
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We seem to have spent the past 18 months saying we're in a relegation battle without ever having been in one.
Difference is last season we spent 30 million quid and the club was filled with positivity, this year we've gone into February with low confidence a manager most don't want and a team that is a shambles. Yes shambles is where we will be when Keane how back.
We are 7 points off relegation unless we get something tomorrow and I have no confidence in our manager to keep us up, our only hope is that the players step up to the plate, because they are good enough.
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The table doesn't lie. Things ain't looking good.
7 points above 16th-18th, considerably better goal difference and a (admittedly tough) game in hand. Doesn't look like we're doomed to me.
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We definitely are. If we get four wins in a row after Man City then I will be feeling okay about it.
After those four games we have some very hard games.
Our best chances of points being Stoke at Home, WBA away, Sunderland at home and Norwich away.
Stoke will likely be a draw.
WBA away will be a tough game imo but they've only got 8 points at home this year. (Only Wigan are worse at Home)
Sunderland all depends on how up for it the defence are imo being vs MON. But on form we'll get trounced.
Norwich are doing fantastically well, last game of the season. We'll need win more than them. Hard though.
Other than that we play all the big boys. After City I truly think we have four games to save the season
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a manager most don't want and a team that is a shambles.
Again. An anti-McLeish person having to tell everyone how many similar clowns there are. It is the day before a game against the 2nd team in the league. Show some fucking support!
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After City I truly think we have four games to save the season
As I said....
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The table doesn't lie. Things ain't looking good.
7 points above 16th-18th, considerably better goal difference and a (admittedly tough) game in hand. Doesn't look like we're doomed to me.
Glad you're so confident.
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Nobody's saying we're doomed but given the negativity inside and outside of the club there is a very real chance that we will be sucked into a relegation battle. If that's becomes the case what do we all think about AM's capacity to get us clear?
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We seem to have spent the past 18 months saying we're in a relegation battle without ever having been in one.
Depends what you class as within one. Some might define being three points above relegation with two games to play being within the battle.
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Nobody's saying we're doomed but given the negativity inside and outside of the club there is a very real chance that we will be sucked into a relegation battle. If that's becomes the case what do we all think about AM's capacity to get us clear?
The negativity outside the club has been caused by traitors who purport to be 'inside' the club. If you support the club, fight the negativity instead of being herded along with those who thrive on it.
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We seem to have spent the past 18 months saying we're in a relegation battle without ever having been in one.
Depends what you class as within one. Some might define being three points above relegation with two games to play being within the battle.
And some might not. The results which would have seen us relegated were something like 11,000/1 to occur. We also finished in the top half of the table.
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14 games to go, a point per game and we'll be safe. this ain't the time for a protest
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Does anyone else think that the protesters and the general "meh" of the fans is a bigger problem that McLeish?
I'm confident the players would be playing better if the pressure on them from the fans was less negative and more supportive. For that reason alone the protests are counter productive without even beginning to question their justification.
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Does anyone else think that the protesters and the general "meh" of the fans is a bigger problem that McLeish?
I'm confident the players would be playing better if the pressure on them from the fans was less negative and more supportive. For that reason alone the protests are counter productive without even beginning to question their justification.
Spoken like a true fan.
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Does anyone else think that the protesters and the general "meh" of the fans is a bigger problem that McLeish?
I'm confident the players would be playing better if the pressure on them from the fans was less negative and more supportive. For that reason alone the protests are counter productive without even beginning to question their justification.
Spoken like a true fan.
The meh is not the problem. It's the boo boys that trasmit their negativity to the players. It's a huge problem.
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Does anyone else think that the protesters and the general "meh" of the fans is a bigger problem that McLeish?
I'm confident the players would be playing better if the pressure on them from the fans was less negative and more supportive. For that reason alone the protests are counter productive without even beginning to question their justification.
Spoken like a true fan.
The meh is not the problem. It's the boo boys that trasmit their negativity to the players. It's a huge problem.
So are you with us or against us?
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Does anyone else think that the protesters and the general "meh" of the fans is a bigger problem that McLeish?
I'm confident the players would be playing better if the pressure on them from the fans was less negative and more supportive. For that reason alone the protests are counter productive without even beginning to question their justification.
Spoken like a true fan.
The meh is not the problem. It's the boo boys that trasmit their negativity to the players. It's a huge problem.
So are you with us or against us?
What? I'm a season ticket holder and a lifelong AVFC fan. Ive never booed a Villa player, manager or team. Read into that what you will.
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Does anyone else think that the protesters and the general "meh" of the fans is a bigger problem that McLeish?
I'm confident the players would be playing better if the pressure on them from the fans was less negative and more supportive. For that reason alone the protests are counter productive without even beginning to question their justification.
Spoken like a true fan.
The meh is not the problem. It's the boo boys that trasmit their negativity to the players. It's a huge problem.
So are you with us or against us?
What? I'm a season ticket holder and a lifelong AVFC fan. Ive never booed a Villa player, manager or team. Read into that what you will.
I was just struggling to understand your previous post. Delighted to see I had misread it. We need all the support we can get.
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a manager most don't want and a team that is a shambles.
Again. An anti-McLeish person having to tell everyone how many similar clowns there are. It is the day before a game against the 2nd team in the league. Show some fucking support!
What are you on about?
Do you love Mcleish or something? I'm not anti Mcleish, but I didn't want him and would rather he wasn't our manager.
I support him while he is our boss, I'll never boo him but the facts are there for all to see,
He has been relegated 2 out of 3 seasons in the premier league and he isn't a very good manager.
Should we all just ignore the facts and let our club go down hill?
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Does anyone else think that the protesters and the general "meh" of the fans is a bigger problem that McLeish?
I'm confident the players would be playing better if the pressure on them from the fans was less negative and more supportive. For that reason alone the protests are counter productive without even beginning to question their justification.
Spoken like a true fan.
The meh is not the problem. It's the boo boys that trasmit their negativity to the players. It's a huge problem.
So are you with us or against us?
I apologise if I'm wrong, but I'm sure you were fairly vocally against O'Neill towards the end of his tenure.
Personally, I have no issue with treading water for the moment and consolidating but I'm not sure you're really the person to be taking the "if you don't support the manager then you're not supporting the club" line*
*assuming of course that I've remembered correctly
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Does anyone else think that the protesters and the general "meh" of the fans is a bigger problem that McLeish?
I'm confident the players would be playing better if the pressure on them from the fans was less negative and more supportive. For that reason alone the protests are counter productive without even beginning to question their justification.
Spoken like a true fan.
The meh is not the problem. It's the boo boys that trasmit their negativity to the players. It's a huge problem.
So are you with us or against us?
I apologise if I'm wrong, but I'm sure you were fairly vocally against O'Neill towards the end of his tenure.
Personally, I have no issue with treading water for the moment and consolidating but I'm not sure you're really the person to be taking the "if you don't support the manager then you're not supporting the club" line*
*assuming of course that I've remembered correctly
Whilst he didn't like O'Neill at the time, never at any point would he have gone out of his way to 'protest' against him. Not only that, but not once did he boo the manager or the players.
You'll probably find that the main point DC5 is making is that the timing of this Protest is completely ridiculous, as is the manner of it. It seems to be very personal against McLeish and creates some negative vibes that quite clearly are not needed. We all know that this 'protest' will be made up of about 50 people singing about Birmingham.
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I just hope that there aren't many showing themselves up today, It'd be oh so embarrassing.
I am led to believe that Randy's at the game, so maybe he'll be having a chuckle to himself - he knows this kind of thing happens, it happens at the Browns, and he's shown that it's like water off a ducks back there.
Even Wigan's fans don't do this and they're nailed on for relegation.
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I just hope that there aren't many showing themselves up today, It'd be oh so embarrassing.
There will only be about 50. This joint with the fact the media are apparently going to be there however, will make it even more embarrassing in my opinion.
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I just hope that there aren't many showing themselves up today, It'd be oh so embarrassing.
There will only be about 50. This joint with the fact the media are apparently going to be there however, will make it even more embarrassing in my opinion.
With just 50 fans, wouldn't it be great if Randy invited them all into a conference room and gave them the chance to "rant" in a coherent manner. It'd be a great PR coup for the club (and Randy), plus you never know some frank dialogue might help both parties.
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I just hope that there aren't many showing themselves up today, It'd be oh so embarrassing.
There will only be about 50. This joint with the fact the media are apparently going to be there however, will make it even more embarrassing in my opinion.
With just 50 fans, wouldn't it be great if Randy invited them all into a conference room and gave them the chance to "rant" in a coherent manner. It'd be a great PR coup for the club (and Randy), plus you never know some frank dialogue might help both parties.
Bearing in mind their ambassador to us, can you imagine what they'd have to say?
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I just hope that there aren't many showing themselves up today, It'd be oh so embarrassing.
There will only be about 50. This joint with the fact the media are apparently going to be there however, will make it even more embarrassing in my opinion.
However SSN will show them from different angles that would make the group about 10000 strong.
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Does anyone else think that the protesters and the general "meh" of the fans is a bigger problem that McLeish?
I'm confident the players would be playing better if the pressure on them from the fans was less negative and more supportive. For that reason alone the protests are counter productive without even beginning to question their justification.
Spoken like a true fan.
The meh is not the problem. It's the boo boys that trasmit their negativity to the players. It's a huge problem.
So are you with us or against us?
I apologise if I'm wrong, but I'm sure you were fairly vocally against O'Neill towards the end of his tenure.
Personally, I have no issue with treading water for the moment and consolidating but I'm not sure you're really the person to be taking the "if you don't support the manager then you're not supporting the club" line*
*assuming of course that I've remembered correctly
Me? I've only been a member of his site for two months. You must have me confused with someone else. Also, if you think I'm going to stand like a tit in the cold outsider the McGregor Suite shouting at anyone who goes in you're certainly mistaken.
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Does anyone else think that the protesters and the general "meh" of the fans is a bigger problem that McLeish?
I'm confident the players would be playing better if the pressure on them from the fans was less negative and more supportive. For that reason alone the protests are counter productive without even beginning to question their justification.
Spoken like a true fan.
The meh is not the problem. It's the boo boys that trasmit their negativity to the players. It's a huge problem.
So are you with us or against us?
I apologise if I'm wrong, but I'm sure you were fairly vocally against O'Neill towards the end of his tenure.
Personally, I have no issue with treading water for the moment and consolidating but I'm not sure you're really the person to be taking the "if you don't support the manager then you're not supporting the club" line*
*assuming of course that I've remembered correctly
Whilst he didn't like O'Neill at the time, never at any point would he have gone out of his way to 'protest' against him. Not only that, but not once did he boo the manager or the players.
You'll probably find that the main point DC5 is making is that the timing of this Protest is completely ridiculous, as is the manner of it. It seems to be very personal against McLeish and creates some negative vibes that quite clearly are not needed. We all know that this 'protest' will be made up of about 50 people singing about Birmingham.
Well said Tom. There was malevolence with O'Neill. We have no evidence of that with McLeish. The man is trying his best and there is no point, especially before a game like we have today, making a protest that will be nothing but a nasty vendetta. The personal comments are totally out of order. The protest is not warranted and, on this occasion, I can only see it doing harm.
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Me? I've only been a member of his site for two months. You must have me confused with someone else.
Not you, DC5
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Well said Tom. There was malevolence with O'Neill. We have no evidence of that with McLeish
There was malevolence in the end, but at the time that you wanted him out there was nothing more than someone trying his best.
Apart from the obvious thickos hardly anyone on here seems to support the protests - but I don't see any difference between the ones who genuinely don't want McLeish as manager and you when you didn't want O'Neill as manager.
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Well said Tom. There was malevolence with O'Neill. We have no evidence of that with McLeish
There was malevolence in the end, but at the time that you wanted him out there was nothing more than someone trying his best.
Apart from the obvious thickos hardly anyone on here seems to support the protests - but I don't see any difference between the ones who genuinely don't want McLeish as manager and you when you didn't want O'Neill as manager.
I can't recall disliking O'Neill before he had been rumbled.
Regarding those who genuinely don't want McLeish here, I can't argue with that or change their minds but I am against rabble rousing. Rallying the troops in support is a different matter.
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Well said Tom. There was malevolence with O'Neill. We have no evidence of that with McLeish
There was malevolence in the end, but at the time that you wanted him out there was nothing more than someone trying his best.
Apart from the obvious thickos hardly anyone on here seems to support the protests - but I don't see any difference between the ones who genuinely don't want McLeish as manager and you when you didn't want O'Neill as manager.
I can't recall disliking O'Neill before he had been rumbled.
Fair enough, it was only a vague recollection - so I'm most likely remembering wrongly.
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Well said Tom. There was malevolence with O'Neill. We have no evidence of that with McLeish
There was malevolence in the end, but at the time that you wanted him out there was nothing more than someone trying his best.
Apart from the obvious thickos hardly anyone on here seems to support the protests - but I don't see any difference between the ones who genuinely don't want McLeish as manager and you when you didn't want O'Neill as manager.
I can't recall disliking O'Neill before he had been rumbled.
Fair enough, it was only a vague recollection - so I'm most likely remembering wrongly.
You might be right, I wouldn't swear on oath.
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Well said Tom. There was malevolence with O'Neill. We have no evidence of that with McLeish
There was malevolence in the end, but at the time that you wanted him out there was nothing more than someone trying his best.
Apart from the obvious thickos hardly anyone on here seems to support the protests - but I don't see any difference between the ones who genuinely don't want McLeish as manager and you when you didn't want O'Neill as manager.
I can't recall disliking O'Neill before he had been rumbled.
Fair enough, it was only a vague recollection - so I'm most likely remembering wrongly.
You might be right, I wouldn't swear on oath.
I have a better memory, at times, than dcf and the reason we 'turned' on O'Neill was his behaviour at the Moscow dinner. We wanted him out from that moment on.
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Please elaborate.
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Please elaborate.
It has been reported before but I'll tell again.
When he was pompously waffling about the Moscow game somebody in the audience asked why he'd entered us into the inter toto competition if he had no intention of taking being in Europe seriously.
His snide response was something along the lines of 'oh shut up'.
It may not sound like much on here but virtually everybody there was shocked not only be what he said but also the venom in his voice,
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I despise the poison dwarf even more now. Contemptible little man.
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It was a mate of mine who he told to shut up.
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It was a mate of mine who he told to shut up.
How did he feel about it?
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It completely turned the entire group who we go away in Europe with against him. I think it became clear that there was little room for anybody in the club with O'Neill's ego.
It was also disappointing as it was the time the varnish rubbed off the revolution. I still backed him mind.
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It completely turned the entire group who we go away in Europe with against him. I think it became clear that there was little room for anybody in the club with O'Neill's ego.
It was also disappointing as it was the time the varnish rubbed off the revolution. I still backed him mind.
Glad it wasn't just us. Well, we know it wasn't just us as others we have spoken to felt the same.
One good thing from the evening, O'Neill and the players were on the two tables next to ours. There were a number of bottles of wine on their tables which they didn't drink...................... Hic!
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I think the stick he got over the Moscow team selection was understandbly justified, but there was a logic to it, unlike the disgraceful team Houiller put out in the FA Cup.
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I think the stick he got over the Moscow team selection was understandbly justified, but there was a logic to it, unlike the disgraceful team Houiller put out in the FA Cup.
Quite agree and those who did play in Moscow played very well. Houllier's team selection in the FA cup was baffling.
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There was logic to it and it was seconds away from working. But then the poorest side I think we've ever seen in the league at Villa Park equalised.
I hate Stoke.
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I think the stick he got over the Moscow team selection was understandbly justified, but there was a logic to it, unlike the disgraceful team Houiller put out in the FA Cup.
My frustration with the Moscow debacle - without wishing to rake over the coals again - was the fact that if he'd put out stronger teams in the earlier group games we wouldn't have been playing such strong oppo. I never could understand the logic of that.
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It clearly wasn't a priority while we were chasing 4th place. I thought all that was put to bed.
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Protests wont help or solve anything!! Those going should be shot in front of there familys as Jeremy would say!! (meant in jest of course)
Stan Collymore put on Twitter how big an impact the fans can have on players. Get behind the team! to anyone protesting... take a look at our away form.
I agree with your first paragraph.
Regarding Collymore, he shit on the club and runs with the hare and the hounds. Ignore him.
I agree but its still coming from an ex pro.
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We seem to have spent the past 18 months saying we're in a relegation battle without ever having been in one.
Difference is last season we spent 30 million quid and the club was filled with positivity, this year we've gone into February with low confidence a manager most don't want and a team that is a shambles. Yes shambles is where we will be when Keane how back.
We are 7 points off relegation unless we get something tomorrow and I have no confidence in our manager to keep us up, our only hope is that the players step up to the plate, because they are good enough.
Just because you may not want him it doesn't mean the majority dont. unless off course you have 40,000 friends. I for 1 am behind Mcleish. theres been some very frustrating games this year but theres also been some positives.
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Just in case anyone does want to protest but can't make it, don't panic, I'm guessing there will be one at the next home game too. Not that the people doing this are in danger of looking silly and embarrassing the rest of us of course.
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In regards to the current manager, 1. The club 'targeted him' when they still had time to look at other candidates, and 2. His PL pedigree is one of struggle and relegation.
Also, the manager has also fallen out with several players (the biggest criticism of Houllier), including ones he signed only this season.
What evidence have you got of that?
McLeish may have bollocked a few players. That is part of a manager's job.
O'Neill signed them, fell out with them and didn't play them. That is a waste of club assets.
What is your hidden meaning about McLeish falling out with players all about?
What evidence? Well N'zogbia has resorted to expressing his utter frustration on Twitter, and the manager has resorted to criticising him and Ireland in the press. Don't really see that being all hands rowing together on a happy ship, but I may be wrong.
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I most certainly did not want McLeish as manager. I was appalled at the announcement as I did not think him a good enough manager for us. Looking back now I ask myself who I would rather have in charge - McLeish or Houllier. The honest answer would be McLeish as I felt that Houllier was out of his depth.
I am a Villa fan, have been for 40 years and I will continue to support the team and the manager. I think this protest is an embarrasment and the people taking part mindless sheep who have bought into the Sky/Premier League instant gratification bollocks. I intend to mock this protest and the idiots taking part mercilessly.
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On the Houllier and MON putting weaker sides out debate.
Surely Houllier achieved his objective, to keep players fit and stay up?!
MON lost all momentum and we dropped like a stone.
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I most certainly did not want McLeish as manager. I was appalled at the announcement as I did not think him a good enough manager for us. Looking back now I ask myself who I would rather have in charge - McLeish or Houllier. The honest answer would be McLeish as I felt that Houllier was out of his depth.
I am a Villa fan, have been for 40 years and I will continue to support the team and the manager. I think this protest is an embarrasment and the people taking part mindless sheep who have bought into the Sky/Premier League instant gratification bollocks. I intend to mock this protest and the idiots taking part mercilessly.
Houllier out of his depth? I'm sorry it's Mcleish out of his depth.
If Houllier was healthy he would have shipped out the shit and built a stronger younger team for not a lot of money. ie the likes of Cabeye, Ba were all on the agenda and the shit like Warnock, Collins, Dunne, Hutton would not be here and we would probably still have NRC(who we have really missed)
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If a few misguided idiots want to peacefully protest they can - freedom of speech and all that eh ?
But if I see any of them having their little parade around outside today, it is my right to yell at the top of my voice "ALEX McLEISH'S CLARET AND BLUE ARMY !"
In fact if I ever hear that song break out amongst fans at a game, I will make a point of joining in.
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In regards to the current manager, 1. The club 'targeted him' when they still had time to look at other candidates, and 2. His PL pedigree is one of struggle and relegation.
Also, the manager has also fallen out with several players (the biggest criticism of Houllier), including ones he signed only this season.
What evidence have you got of that?
McLeish may have bollocked a few players. That is part of a manager's job.
O'Neill signed them, fell out with them and didn't play them. That is a waste of club assets.
What is your hidden meaning about McLeish falling out with players all about?
What evidence? Well N'zogbia has resorted to expressing his utter frustration on Twitter, and the manager has resorted to criticising him and Ireland in the press. Don't really see that being all hands rowing together on a happy ship, but I may be wrong.
So that's two. Where are the several that you mentioned?
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I most certainly did not want McLeish as manager. I was appalled at the announcement as I did not think him a good enough manager for us. Looking back now I ask myself who I would rather have in charge - McLeish or Houllier. The honest answer would be McLeish as I felt that Houllier was out of his depth.
I am a Villa fan, have been for 40 years and I will continue to support the team and the manager. I think this protest is an embarrasment and the people taking part mindless sheep who have bought into the Sky/Premier League instant gratification bollocks. I intend to mock this protest and the idiots taking part mercilessly.
Houllier out of his depth? I'm sorry it's Mcleish out of his depth.
If Houllier was healthy he would have shipped out the shit and built a stronger younger team for not a lot of money. ie the likes of Cabeye, Ba were all on the agenda and the shit like Warnock, Collins, Dunne, Hutton would not be here and we would probably still have NRC(who we have really missed)
As great as it sounds, you and I both know that Lerner wouldn't have been willing to fund the money Houllier would have wanted. That is why we ended up with Alex and not someone who might be perceived as a better manager because McLeish is willing to work with most of what he has got and not a lot of money.
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Hasnt he singled out Albrighton previously as well?
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I most certainly did not want McLeish as manager. I was appalled at the announcement as I did not think him a good enough manager for us. Looking back now I ask myself who I would rather have in charge - McLeish or Houllier. The honest answer would be McLeish as I felt that Houllier was out of his depth.
I am a Villa fan, have been for 40 years and I will continue to support the team and the manager. I think this protest is an embarrasment and the people taking part mindless sheep who have bought into the Sky/Premier League instant gratification bollocks. I intend to mock this protest and the idiots taking part mercilessly.
Houllier out of his depth? I'm sorry it's Mcleish out of his depth.
If Houllier was healthy he would have shipped out the shit and built a stronger younger team for not a lot of money. ie the likes of Cabeye, Ba were all on the agenda and the shit like Warnock, Collins, Dunne, Hutton would not be here and we would probably still have NRC(who we have really missed)
As great as it sounds, you and I both know that Lerner wouldn't have been willing to fund the money Houllier would have wanted. That is why we ended up with Alex and not someone who might be perceived as a better manager because McLeish is willing to work with most of what he has got and not a lot of money.
N'Zogbia and Hutton £14million or Cabeye and Ba £7million that leaves us with 7 million plus whatever we got for the players he would have hopefully got rid of, I know who I'd rather be spending what little money we have.
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In regards to the current manager, 1. The club 'targeted him' when they still had time to look at other candidates, and 2. His PL pedigree is one of struggle and relegation.
Also, the manager has also fallen out with several players (the biggest criticism of Houllier), including ones he signed only this season.
What evidence have you got of that?
McLeish may have bollocked a few players. That is part of a manager's job.
O'Neill signed them, fell out with them and didn't play them. That is a waste of club assets.
What is your hidden meaning about McLeish falling out with players all about?
What evidence? Well N'zogbia has resorted to expressing his utter frustration on Twitter, and the manager has resorted to criticising him and Ireland in the press. Don't really see that being all hands rowing together on a happy ship, but I may be wrong.
Rubbish. Houllier and MON both fell out with players and blanked them out the team altogether. John Gregory seemed to glory in public fall outs with members of his playing staff. One of McLeish's greatest strengths is keeping players in the loop and involved, while still maintaining his authority.
All the very best for todays game Boss !
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Hasnt he singled out Albrighton previously as well?
There's a difference between criticising a player and falling out with them. If that's a stick to beat him with, then Alex Ferguson must be a really poor manager.
In terms of Albrighton, the fact that he subsequently got himself back in the team and started playing a bit better would suggest that the approach taken actually worked, no?
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Sorry, I can't make it to the protest. I am going to stay at home and piss in my pants to register my discontent at whatever it is this time.
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I'm not going either.
I'll probably engage in some tutting at some point. Maybe even some attempt to engage the mrs in conversation about the way things are going.
She'll do that thing where she starts shaking her head, waving her finger, and saying "I told you, I don't care about your stupid football team" in an aggressive manner.
I might just protest against her instead.
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I am starting my protest march (walk) in 15 minutes.
It will be for 1 hour and take in the countryside around Kinver.
I shall then return (in triumph) to listen to our glorious voctory on 5Live.
Anyone wishing to join my group I can pick you up from the Navigation car park in 10 minutes time.
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I'm not going either.
I'll probably engage in some tutting at some point. Maybe even some attempt to engage the mrs in conversation about the way things are going.
She'll do that thing where she starts shaking her head, waving her finger, and saying "I told you, I don't care about your stupid football team" in an aggressive manner.
I might just protest against her instead.
Glad I'm not alone!
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I'm not going but that's because I'm sick, up until 1.30 I was all set to go but have had a turn for the worse. Managed to find someone to ave the ticket though.
I'm going to join Paulie and protest about his wife
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After seeing that Heskey starts , I would like to join a protest.
Does any one know of one happening in my area ?
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So what happened?
10 teenagers making tits out of themselves or the Aston Spring?
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Whilst the protest was the predicted damp squib, I'm sure AMc's tactics for todays match will mean more might be willing to join in next time. He hasn't learnt since the Liverpool home match.
I feel sorry for DCF and others for defending him so vociferously and I will have to say betrayed like that as he reverts to the tactics you would expect from that lot down the road.
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So how many turned up?
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So how many turned up?
Between 50-100 depending on reports. More then the "protest, what protest" at the Everton game I believe. And after today and his comments afterwards arguing the performance and tactics were spot on, I would guess the number will go up next time if another one happens. I suppose it depends whether they think they can get their mugs on sky.
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I was mightily impressed with the protest and their A4 sheets of paper with McLeish Out on them. It's still not about about where he came from, despite the fuck off back to small heath chants.
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The problem is people still think it's about it coming from sha and that has nothing to do with my problem with him i could not care less where he came from. His tactics are baffling his team selections are puzling. He has lost the dressing room never had the fans and the blues fans at work actually feel sorry for me at work having to watch the football that they know we play as they had to sit through it for 3years.
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The problem is people still think it's about it coming from sha and that has nothing to do with my problem with him i could not care less where he came from. His tactics are baffling his team selections are puzling. He has lost the dressing room never had the fans and the blues fans at work actually feel sorry for me at work having to watch the football that they know we play as they had to sit through it for 3years.
Where he came from is the smokescreen. It a way for his supporters to avoid talking about 6 wins in 25 games.
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In regards to the current manager, 1. The club 'targeted him' when they still had time to look at other candidates, and 2. His PL pedigree is one of struggle and relegation.
Also, the manager has also fallen out with several players (the biggest criticism of Houllier), including ones he signed only this season.
What evidence have you got of that?
McLeish may have bollocked a few players. That is part of a manager's job.
O'Neill signed them, fell out with them and didn't play them. That is a waste of club assets.
What is your hidden meaning about McLeish falling out with players all about?
What evidence? Well N'zogbia has resorted to expressing his utter frustration on Twitter, and the manager has resorted to criticising him and Ireland in the press. Don't really see that being all hands rowing together on a happy ship, but I may be wrong.
Rubbish. Houllier and MON both fell out with players and blanked them out the team altogether. John Gregory seemed to glory in public fall outs with members of his playing staff. One of McLeish's greatest strengths is keeping players in the loop and involved, while still maintaining his authority.
All the very best for todays game Boss !
I do hope after today's performance, you are reappraising that statement.
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In regards to the current manager, 1. The club 'targeted him' when they still had time to look at other candidates, and 2. His PL pedigree is one of struggle and relegation.
Also, the manager has also fallen out with several players (the biggest criticism of Houllier), including ones he signed only this season.
What evidence have you got of that?
McLeish may have bollocked a few players. That is part of a manager's job.
O'Neill signed them, fell out with them and didn't play them. That is a waste of club assets.
What is your hidden meaning about McLeish falling out with players all about?
What evidence? Well N'zogbia has resorted to expressing his utter frustration on Twitter, and the manager has resorted to criticising him and Ireland in the press. Don't really see that being all hands rowing together on a happy ship, but I may be wrong.
So that's two. Where are the several that you mentioned?
Well Bent criticised the style of play openly in September, and went on his shopping trip in December during a game. Doesn't smack of having absolute respect for the manager.
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In regards to the current manager, 1. The club 'targeted him' when they still had time to look at other candidates, and 2. His PL pedigree is one of struggle and relegation.
Also, the manager has also fallen out with several players (the biggest criticism of Houllier), including ones he signed only this season.
What evidence have you got of that?
McLeish may have bollocked a few players. That is part of a manager's job.
O'Neill signed them, fell out with them and didn't play them. That is a waste of club assets.
What is your hidden meaning about McLeish falling out with players all about?
What evidence? Well N'zogbia has resorted to expressing his utter frustration on Twitter, and the manager has resorted to criticising him and Ireland in the press. Don't really see that being all hands rowing together on a happy ship, but I may be wrong.
Rubbish. Houllier and MON both fell out with players and blanked them out the team altogether. John Gregory seemed to glory in public fall outs with members of his playing staff. One of McLeish's greatest strengths is keeping players in the loop and involved, while still maintaining his authority.
All the very best for todays game Boss !
I do hope after today's performance, you are reappraising that statement.
Not at all. Why should I ? Change my mind and join the `Sack Mcleish` mob because we lost a football match to a team assembled for about £400 million ?
I'm backing him to improve us because I actually think he is a good football manager who is able to command respect of the players. Yes I want us to do better than we are but the reasons we are not isn't because of `bloody Mcleish` or `bloody Hutton` or `bloody Heskey` etc. It is because we are still slowly having to recover from a manager who overspent the budget then knocked the club sideways by jumping ship.
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In regards to the current manager, 1. The club 'targeted him' when they still had time to look at other candidates, and 2. His PL pedigree is one of struggle and relegation.
Also, the manager has also fallen out with several players (the biggest criticism of Houllier), including ones he signed only this season.
What evidence have you got of that?
McLeish may have bollocked a few players. That is part of a manager's job.
O'Neill signed them, fell out with them and didn't play them. That is a waste of club assets.
What is your hidden meaning about McLeish falling out with players all about?
What evidence? Well N'zogbia has resorted to expressing his utter frustration on Twitter, and the manager has resorted to criticising him and Ireland in the press. Don't really see that being all hands rowing together on a happy ship, but I may be wrong.
Rubbish. Houllier and MON both fell out with players and blanked them out the team altogether. John Gregory seemed to glory in public fall outs with members of his playing staff. One of McLeish's greatest strengths is keeping players in the loop and involved, while still maintaining his authority.
All the very best for todays game Boss !
I do hope after today's performance, you are reappraising that statement.
Not at all. Why should I ? Change my mind and join the `Sack Mcleish` mob because we lost a football match to a team assembled for about £400 million ?
I'm backing him to improve us because I actually think he is a good football manager who is able to command respect of the players. Yes I want us to do better than we are but the reasons we are not isn't because of `bloody Mcleish` or `bloody Hutton` or `bloody Heskey` etc. It is because we are still slowly having to recover from a manager who overspent the budget then knocked the club sideways by jumping ship.
"good football manager" now that has made me laugh out loud.
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From what I saw of it, that protest simply achieved one thing - being more toe-curling and embarrassing than the one in the summer. And to think the national press actually gave it coverage too.
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The problem is people still think it's about it coming from sha and that has nothing to do with my problem with him i could not care less where he came from. His tactics are baffling his team selections are puzling. He has lost the dressing room never had the fans and the blues fans at work actually feel sorry for me at work having to watch the football that they know we play as they had to sit through it for 3years.
Where he came from is the smokescreen. It a way for his supporters to avoid talking about 6 wins in 25 games.
MON only had 6 wins in his first 25 games in his fist season. There weren't any protests then or threads about relegation.
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DOZENS of Aston Villa fans took part in a demonstration against manager Alex McLeish in a protest which split supporters.
Up to 70 disgruntled supporters gathered ahead of the Villa Park clash with title-chasing Manchester City with banners and signs, chanting: “We don’t want McLeish,” and “Get out of our club”.
Fans opposed to the protest called for Villa followers to unite behind the team before the event took place.
But Martin Edgerton, aged 38, who was at the protest with his daughter, insisted former Birmingham City boss McLeish had to go.
“The club is not listening to its fans and they are the lifeblood of the club,” he said.
“The atmosphere around the club is flat. There is no atmosphere. We are not together, people are divided.
“I’ll walk away next season if McLeish is still here.”
And Mark Carlin, aged 35, added: “I just don’t like him. He’s no good for me.”
But other Villa supporters were unimpressed by the protest.
Brian Millward, aged 75, from Stourbridge, said: “The majority of supporters don’t want McLeish but most of us are going to give him a chance.”
And Robin Peck called the protest a “waste of time”.
The 64-year-old, from York, said: “They should have been here in the 1960s when we were really bad.
“Give the bloke a chance. To try to get rid of him now is stupid.”
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http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/aston-villa-fc/2012/02/12/aston-villa-fans-split-over-alex-mcleish-protests-97319-30316735/
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Up to 70!
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'The club is not listening to its fans'? So that's up to 70 who are speaking for the fans?
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I love the fact that the first word of the article is DOZENS capitalised. So dramatic.
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I am not a Mcleish fan, and did not want him.
But his appointment was about where Randy and the club and its finances are at the moment. Would Martinez have done better?
This is definitely not protest time.
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I was mightily impressed with the protest and their A4 sheets of paper with McLeish Out on them. It's still not about about where he came from, despite the fuck off back to small heath chants.
one of the blokes had an A3 sheet, so I guess that he was the guy in charge
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Today was a bit warmer than of late. Imagine if it had been as cold as it was a few days ago. They'd probably have had even less turn up.
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The problem is people still think it's about it coming from sha and that has nothing to do with my problem with him i could not care less where he came from. His tactics are baffling his team selections are puzling. He has lost the dressing room never had the fans and the blues fans at work actually feel sorry for me at work having to watch the football that they know we play as they had to sit through it for 3years.
Where he came from is the smokescreen. It a way for his supporters to avoid talking about 6 wins in 25 games.
MON only had 6 wins in his first 25 games in his fist season. There weren't any protests then or threads about relegation.
True but different circumstances. We had emerged from the O'Dreary days & we were filled with optimism that things would hopefully get better under RL and MON so there was no panic. We hoped that we would be on the up.
Roll on and the optimism is replaced with dispair and realism that things are not going to get better and hence we are now worried that we will get relegated.
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Up to 70!
I'd say half that many were protesting. There were far more just milling around watching the event or, in the case of me, Leeg and Mr Shin, trying not to get run over by a police van.
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Up to 70!
I'd say half that many were protesting. There were far more just milling around watching the event or, in the case of me, Leeg and Mr Shin, trying not to get run over by a police van.
What is it with this police van run over? Was it deliberate or what?
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Only when you are stood near Legion.
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In regards to the current manager, 1. The club 'targeted him' when they still had time to look at other candidates, and 2. His PL pedigree is one of struggle and relegation.
Also, the manager has also fallen out with several players (the biggest criticism of Houllier), including ones he signed only this season.
What evidence have you got of that?
McLeish may have bollocked a few players. That is part of a manager's job.
O'Neill signed them, fell out with them and didn't play them. That is a waste of club assets.
What is your hidden meaning about McLeish falling out with players all about?
What evidence? Well N'zogbia has resorted to expressing his utter frustration on Twitter, and the manager has resorted to criticising him and Ireland in the press. Don't really see that being all hands rowing together on a happy ship, but I may be wrong.
So that's two. Where are the several that you mentioned?
Well Bent criticised the style of play openly in September, and went on his shopping trip in December during a game. Doesn't smack of having absolute respect for the manager.
Oh well in that case Rooney and Gibson got pissed before training in December. They obviously hate Ferguson and he's a shit manager. As for Mancini at City, with the behaviour of Balotelli and Tevez, well... The next England manager, Mr Redknapp - ask Pavyluchenko, Bent or Krancjar about him. All have had public issues with him.
Every manager has players who act up. It doesn't mean they've lost the dressing room, it means that most pro-footballers nowadays are tits.
There are far better reasons to criticse McLeish without having to make stuff up.
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Up to 70!
I'd say half that many were protesting. There were far more just milling around watching the event or, in the case of me, Leeg and Mr Shin, trying not to get run over by a police van.
What is it with this police van run over? Was it deliberate or what?
Just a very poor attempt at a three-point-turn that, at one point, was heading directly for the three of us.