Protest? Not in my name...the football match is the main event

[Dave Clark Five]

I think you're thinking of Warley Wonder or whatever he calls himself now, not Witton Warrior?

Pauline made a mistake. Post deleted. Witton Warrior is top drawer.

[Dave Clark Five]

I really wish McLeish hadn't come from Blues, because I think that causes a lot of those who are vocal about not liking him to be automatically discredited when actually there is a lot of evidence that suggests we are right not to want him as our manager.

What a pathetic argument. The default position is to support the club. Those who are against the club have contrived all manner of reasons to justify themselves. The latest one is that it is nothing to do with the manager coming from Blues.

[Vanilla]

That said, we've improved over recent weeks and months. I put that down to the intelligent way the youngsters have been blooded, the manager being able to do something his predecessor failed to do and get Ireland playing for us and the signing of Keane.

I've rarely known any manager be given so little time by the fickle parts of our support

First bit - you're right, we have improved in areas of late (over months is stretching it, mind), but there is precious little sign on points on the board.

Second bit - really? Short memory. Look at threads from this time last year about Houllier. I don't remember a handful of gobby twats going on about marches, no, but then again, we hadn't had the extra season of shite to rile us then, either.

Your point about him being an ex Blues manager - maybe we should start a thread purely for those of us who don't give a shit about that full stop, so we don't have to either hear the handful of morons banging on about it against him or the tiresome, catch all  "you're only saying that because he managed them" get out of jail free card either, because frankly, you're both (both camps) as bad as each other.

Got to agree with your points there. Our win rate is still one game a month, and we were knocked out of all cups before January's end.

Houllier was given a bit of slack, but that's because 1. He had PL pedigree, 2. The club were dropped in the poo at the last minute when MON left, so fans perhaps knew it was a season of struggle (then again I think you could say the fans views about his performance were probably 80% negative).

In regards to the current manager, 1. The club 'targeted him' when they still had time to look at other candidates, and 2. His PL pedigree is one of struggle and relegation.
 
Also, the manager has also fallen out with several players (the biggest criticism of Houllier), including ones he signed only this season.

[Dave Clark Five]

In regards to the current manager, 1. The club 'targeted him' when they still had time to look at other candidates, and 2. His PL pedigree is one of struggle and relegation.
 
Also, the manager has also fallen out with several players (the biggest criticism of Houllier), including ones he signed only this season.

What evidence have you got of that?
McLeish may have bollocked a few players. That is part of a manager's job.
O'Neill signed them, fell out with them and didn't play them. That is a waste of club assets.
What is your hidden meaning about McLeish falling out with players all about?

[caster troy]

We also didn't have Darren Bent till January last season. I don't think the squads are that different to be honest, sure we lost Young who was brilliant but Given/Friedal are similar, Downing/N'Zogbia are similar, we've seen the likes of Bannan, Gardner and Clark continue their development and improve over where they were a season a go, we've had Bent from day 1. We've had far less injuries than Houllier had to contend with and he had no pre-season to work with the players.

I really wish McLeish hadn't come from Blues, because I think that causes a lot of those who are vocal about not liking him to be automatically discredited when actually there is a lot of evidence that suggests we are right not to want him as our manager. We should be comfortably top half this season with the players we have, instead we are flirting with a relegation battle and getting battered at home to the likes of Swansea, barely scraping points at home and quite often struggling to register more than a couple of shots on target per game, it's miserable really.

Sorry, but that's crap. We lost half a team and only partly replaced them. We are left with an unbalanced squad which we've had to try and fashion a side from. Under those circumstances mid table is the best any rational observer could expect. At the same time our competitors were all strengthening.

That said, we've improved over recent weeks and months. I put that down to the intelligent way the youngsters have been blooded, the manager being able to do something his predecessor failed to do and get Ireland playing for us and the signing of Keane.

I've rarely known any manager be given so little time by the fickle parts of our support and while they keep clang it's nothing to do with him managing the Noses I think many if them are in denial.

You'll just have to take my word for it that my opinion isn't clouded by his BCFC background.

There are 13 teams above us currently but there aren’t 13 better squads, so what’s going wrong? Are the defenders of McLeish really suggesting that other managers couldn’t do better with what we have available? That home defeats to Swansea are simply unavoidable?

We’ve managed 8 points in the last 6 games which may be a slight improvement on the previous 6 but we’ve not moved up the table. The main issue is our home record, 2 points from 6 games with only 4 goals scored. Next up is Man City, so forgive me for not being optimistic.

[caster troy]

I really wish McLeish hadn't come from Blues, because I think that causes a lot of those who are vocal about not liking him to be automatically discredited when actually there is a lot of evidence that suggests we are right not to want him as our manager.

What a pathetic argument. The default position is to support the club. Those who are against the club have contrived all manner of reasons to justify themselves. The latest one is that it is nothing to do with the manager coming from Blues.

Wanting us to get a better manager is not being 'against the club.' I think we can do better and I want to see us do better,  I'm simply expressing that on a message board. I won't be protesting or making a 'McLeish out' banner tomorrow, I'll sit in the Holte End and sing/clap/cheer. My point is that by saying I don't rate McLeish I am labelled a certain way when the reality is different, which is annoying but won't stop me from expressing my opinions.

[Somniloquism]

I really wish McLeish hadn't come from Blues, because I think that causes a lot of those who are vocal about not liking him to be automatically discredited when actually there is a lot of evidence that suggests we are right not to want him as our manager.

What a pathetic argument. The default position is to support the club. Those who are against the club have contrived all manner of reasons to justify themselves. The latest one is that it is nothing to do with the manager coming from Blues.

Hold on. So your argument is either you have to support the club, which means everything about the club including owner, manager and players or you don't support the club because you don't like what some of them above mentioned are doing.

I hope you take your own advice when next having ago at Bent, Nzogbia or when there is a manager there you don't like.

[gabbyisgod]

Protests wont help or solve anything!! Those going should be shot in front of there familys as Jeremy would say!! (meant in jest of course)

Stan Collymore put on Twitter how big an impact the fans can have on players. Get behind the team! to anyone protesting... take a look at our away form.

[Dave Clark Five]

I really wish McLeish hadn't come from Blues, because I think that causes a lot of those who are vocal about not liking him to be automatically discredited when actually there is a lot of evidence that suggests we are right not to want him as our manager.

What a pathetic argument. The default position is to support the club. Those who are against the club have contrived all manner of reasons to justify themselves. The latest one is that it is nothing to do with the manager coming from Blues.

Wanting us to get a better manager is not being 'against the club.' I think we can do better and I want to see us do better,  I'm simply expressing that on a message board. I won't be protesting or making a 'McLeish out' banner tomorrow, I'll sit in the Holte End and sing/clap/cheer. My point is that by saying I don't rate McLeish I am labelled a certain way when the reality is different, which is annoying but won't stop me from expressing my opinions.

You talk about 'a lot of those that are vocal about him'. This is a trait of the anti-McLeish mob; trying to imply that there are others all huddling for comfort.
I can't believe, if so many hate the manager, that we haven't heard a chant against him all season, other than 'you don't know what you're doing'.

[Dave Clark Five]

Protests wont help or solve anything!! Those going should be shot in front of there familys as Jeremy would say!! (meant in jest of course)

Stan Collymore put on Twitter how big an impact the fans can have on players. Get behind the team! to anyone protesting... take a look at our away form.

I agree with your first paragraph.
Regarding Collymore, he shit on the club and runs with the hare and the hounds. Ignore him.

[caster troy]

I really wish McLeish hadn't come from Blues, because I think that causes a lot of those who are vocal about not liking him to be automatically discredited when actually there is a lot of evidence that suggests we are right not to want him as our manager.

What a pathetic argument. The default position is to support the club. Those who are against the club have contrived all manner of reasons to justify themselves. The latest one is that it is nothing to do with the manager coming from Blues.

Wanting us to get a better manager is not being 'against the club.' I think we can do better and I want to see us do better,  I'm simply expressing that on a message board. I won't be protesting or making a 'McLeish out' banner tomorrow, I'll sit in the Holte End and sing/clap/cheer. My point is that by saying I don't rate McLeish I am labelled a certain way when the reality is different, which is annoying but won't stop me from expressing my opinions.

You talk about 'a lot of those that are vocal about him'. This is a trait of the anti-McLeish mob; trying to imply that there are others all huddling for comfort.
I can't believe, if so many hate the manager, that we haven't heard a chant against him all season, other than 'you don't know what you're doing'.

I'm not saying there are a lot of people that think like me, I'm saying that from what I have seen on message boards, heard on phone-ins, experienced in discussions at work, in the pub etc that it's an easy thing to be shot down with this argument when nothing I have ever said against McLeish even mentions Blues. (I actually hate Wolves more than Blues if anything).

Incidentally I've heard chants of 'We want McLeish out' 'We never wanted McLeish' 'We want O'leary back' and 'You're getting sacked in the morning'  all in the Holte End this season, a minority involved but the chants were there nonetheless.

Anyway I've articulated my views as best I can so if anyone still wants to label me a non-fan who only dislikes McLeish because he came from Blues, go right ahead, believe whatever you like.

[Dave Clark Five]

I really wish McLeish hadn't come from Blues, because I think that causes a lot of those who are vocal about not liking him to be automatically discredited when actually there is a lot of evidence that suggests we are right not to want him as our manager.

What a pathetic argument. The default position is to support the club. Those who are against the club have contrived all manner of reasons to justify themselves. The latest one is that it is nothing to do with the manager coming from Blues.

Wanting us to get a better manager is not being 'against the club.' I think we can do better and I want to see us do better,  I'm simply expressing that on a message board. I won't be protesting or making a 'McLeish out' banner tomorrow, I'll sit in the Holte End and sing/clap/cheer. My point is that by saying I don't rate McLeish I am labelled a certain way when the reality is different, which is annoying but won't stop me from expressing my opinions.

You talk about 'a lot of those that are vocal about him'. This is a trait of the anti-McLeish mob; trying to imply that there are others all huddling for comfort.
I can't believe, if so many hate the manager, that we haven't heard a chant against him all season, other than 'you don't know what you're doing'.

I'm not saying there are a lot of people that think like me, I'm saying that from what I have seen on message boards, heard on phone-ins, experienced in discussions at work, in the pub etc that it's an easy thing to be shot down with this argument when nothing I have ever said against McLeish even mentions Blues. (I actually hate Wolves more than Blues if anything).

Incidentally I've heard chants of 'We want McLeish out' 'We never wanted McLeish' 'We want O'leary back' and 'You're getting sacked in the morning'  all in the Holte End this season, a minority involved but the chants were there nonetheless.

Anyway I've articulated my views as best I can so if anyone still wants to label me a non-fan who only dislikes McLeish because he came from Blues, go right ahead, believe whatever you like.

I think you have another reason for disliking McLeish but doubt that all the sheep that you have been listening to have the same agenda.

[Shrek]

We are in a relegation battle and we have a manager who has proved on a consistant basis that he cannot get out of it.

[TheSandman]

Relegation battle. My arse.

[levico]

The way other results are going I think the possibility of relegation becoming more likely. I don't think AM is totally responsible though. RL has made that gamble.