Protest? Not in my name...the football match is the main event

[Dave Clark Five]

Most people I know didn't/don't want mcleish, come on here every day and on match days and everyone is moaning about team selection tactics, subs. So why is everyone against this protest?

Are we saying now we want him?

I speak for myself and yes he should stay. Even if I wanted him out I would not join the protest.

[dave.woodhall]

As the main criteria for any potential replacement seems to be "One of them Arabs what will spend zillions" then the argument that Randy has invested so much would seem to be a lot more than witless. Let's see how, and if, it has to be paid back before casting judgement.

Another crap argument.  There's only one team in the Premier League owned by ultra-ruch Arabs.  And the loans do have to be paid back, it says so in the audited accounts.

Yet again different views to yours are "crap" and "utterly witless." Why is it, then, that every rumour about new owners always involves oil billionaires?   

[Risso]

As the main criteria for any potential replacement seems to be "One of them Arabs what will spend zillions" then the argument that Randy has invested so much would seem to be a lot more than witless. Let's see how, and if, it has to be paid back before casting judgement.

Another crap argument.  There's only one team in the Premier League owned by ultra-ruch Arabs.  And the loans do have to be paid back, it says so in the audited accounts.

Yet again different views to yours are "crap" and "utterly witless." Why is it, then, that every rumour about new owners always involves oil billionaires?   

No idea, I don't start them.

[dave.woodhall]

As the main criteria for any potential replacement seems to be "One of them Arabs what will spend zillions" then the argument that Randy has invested so much would seem to be a lot more than witless. Let's see how, and if, it has to be paid back before casting judgement.

Another crap argument.  There's only one team in the Premier League owned by ultra-ruch Arabs.  And the loans do have to be paid back, it says so in the audited accounts.

Yet again different views to yours are "crap" and "utterly witless." Why is it, then, that every rumour about new owners always involves oil billionaires?   

No idea, I don't start them.

And you said "we need a bloke with more money" yet Randy spending hundreds of millions is, in your eyes, irrelevant.

[Dave Clark Five]

If Lerner bought the club and all shares, how is it that loans have to be paid back to him? Struggling to understand this one.

[Somniloquism]

If Lerner bought the club and all shares, how is it that loans have to be paid back to him? Struggling to understand this one.

Something about it being from his trust so although it is his money, it isn't fully controlled by him. Ask an accountant.

[TonyD]

Most people I know didn't/don't want mcleish, come on here every day and on match days and everyone is moaning about team selection tactics, subs. So why is everyone against this protest?

Are we saying now we want him?

I agree.   Apart from one person I know who thinks he is making "some" progress, everybody I know thinks we are living in a  manager nightmare.   The reality is that we sunk so low that  any postitives and yes good periods of play means that he is improving the team from these lows, but we are still losing.   I think he is  a good man with good intentions but the fact that the basics in defecence, coupled with poor team sections and bad subs for some games and better for other games means to me and everybody I know means we treading water.  Lets hope we can keep kicking til May.

So if FANS want to protect in whatever form - fair play to them.     Yes RL is the man who can make any changes. But he doesnt know the fans are pissed off then how will be aware of the mood of fans.  Not like he drinks in the Golden Hind?

[Risso]

As the main criteria for any potential replacement seems to be "One of them Arabs what will spend zillions" then the argument that Randy has invested so much would seem to be a lot more than witless. Let's see how, and if, it has to be paid back before casting judgement.

Another crap argument.  There's only one team in the Premier League owned by ultra-ruch Arabs.  And the loans do have to be paid back, it says so in the audited accounts.

Yet again different views to yours are "crap" and "utterly witless." Why is it, then, that every rumour about new owners always involves oil billionaires?   

No idea, I don't start them.

And you said "we need a bloke with more money" yet Randy spending hundreds of millions is, in your eyes, irrelevant.

You conveniently missed out the bit that clearly says "or have more business acumen."  You don't need to be an oil-rich gulf state for that. 

[Risso]

If Lerner bought the club and all shares, how is it that loans have to be paid back to him? Struggling to understand this one.

Something about it being from his trust so although it is his money, it isn't fully controlled by him. Ask an accountant.

Correct.  The whole point of trust law is that the assets are not legally owned or controlled by the beneficiary. 

[atomicjam]

Most people I know didn't/don't want mcleish, come on here every day and on match days and everyone is moaning about team selection tactics, subs. So why is everyone against this protest?

Are we saying now we want him?

I agree with this. I will not join the protest on Sunday. I will take my seat and support my team. But I do not want AM as Manager, as I believe he is a crap Manager.

[dave.woodhall]

You conveniently missed out the bit that clearly says "or have more business acumen."  You don't need to be an oil-rich gulf state for that. 

Not conveniently at all. On the one hand you said putting money in doesn't count, yet on the other you said having money to put in is one of the essentials.

[TaxDodger]

Lerner out? Yeh, how dare he invest hundreds of millions of pounds in our football club in the hope of bringing it success.

It's that utterly witless "he's spent lots of money so he must be alright" argument that makes me despair.  Most of the money wasted has been lent to us, and we have to pay it back, somehow.

But he did'nt have to buy us, he did because he wanted to. He has'nt got a bottomless pit of money and that goes for the majority of club chairmen in the Premiership. Why should Randy be any different?

Then he really should have appointed a manager who he could have had a sensible working relationship with, instead of one who wasted tens of millions on shit players.  We will never again be a force while Lerner is in charge, so he needs to sell up asap.  He's proved that he's hopeless at running both a NFL team and a English Premier League team.  We either need someone with more money, or more business acumen than Lerner.  Seriously, the bloke hasn't got a clue.

How has he proved he hasn't got a clue? He appointed a well reputed manager in O'Neill and backed him financially. His reluctance to continue to spend huge amounts of money every season is understandable considering what we'd have to spend to have any chance of competing for a Champions League place. Regarding the McLeish appointment, I think it's a bit difficult to cast judgement after less than a season in charge.

[Risso]

You conveniently missed out the bit that clearly says "or have more business acumen."  You don't need to be an oil-rich gulf state for that. 

Not conveniently at all. On the one hand you said putting money in doesn't count, yet on the other you said having money to put in is one of the essentials.

You don't understand business, so it's a bit pointless arguing with you.  In your simplistic world, Lerner is great because he spent a lot of money. 

[dave.woodhall]

You conveniently missed out the bit that clearly says "or have more business acumen."  You don't need to be an oil-rich gulf state for that. 

Not conveniently at all. On the one hand you said putting money in doesn't count, yet on the other you said having money to put in is one of the essentials.

You don't understand business, so it's a bit pointless arguing with you.  In your simplistic world, Lerner is great because he spent a lot of money. 

Anyone who disagrees with you is 'witless,' 'crap' and now 'simplistic' as well as incapable of understanding business. I must confess, I've seen more coherent lines of debate.   

[TonyD]

You conveniently missed out the bit that clearly says "or have more business acumen."  You don't need to be an oil-rich gulf state for that. 

Not conveniently at all. On the one hand you said putting money in doesn't count, yet on the other you said having money to put in is one of the essentials.

You don't understand business, so it's a bit pointless arguing with you.  In your simplistic world, Lerner is great because he spent a lot of money. 

Exactly.