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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Rigadon on September 30, 2010, 08:03:45 PM
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Reading this forum I see many of you detest Spurs as much as myself. Spurs are the team I detest the most in the league and I often wonder why. Is it their many players of the past who have flattered to deceive but have been reported as being world beaters when our own better players over the years have often escaped similar accolades. Is it that they are a similar sized club to ourselves and therefor a threat?
My dislike of spurs has grown with 'Arry's arrival and he seems to fit their 'crafty cockerny' image to such an extent that I can't image them being managed by anyone more tuned in to their image.
It's not (just) jealousy about them now playing in Europe, we've been there and done things they probably never will. I hated them when they were shit too.
So, why do I hate them?
Over to you.
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I despise Spurs, because even my friends who support them become dickheads when they talk about football. Spurs seem to attract a disproportionate number of idiots to support them. Their arrogance given their achievements is phenomenal as well.
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Its their ideas of grandeur and over inflated ego of their fans - especially if you live in London. Basically they have no history we have. Everton have.
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It is the overweening ill-founded smugness that does it for me.
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Its their ideas of grandeur and over inflated ego of their fans - especially if you live in London. Basically they have no history we have. Everton have.
Add to this that, certainly when I was growing up, Spurs seem to have a lot of fans from this area. I could never understand why as they've only ever won a few cups.
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I know 2 Spurs fans. One is a nice guy but we never talk football (I steer away). The other is a wanker. The Spurs fans I encountered on the bus last season, it was a later kick off from memory, were utter wankers. Every club has it's own fair share of idiots for fans I know, but they really do take the shit biscuit.
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The fact that they are regarded as 'Big Five' but have won far fewer trophies than us.
The media obsession with 'The Spurszzz Way'.
'Arry Redknapp.
Every time they win two games in a row they are about to set out on a fifty-year spell of global domination.
The number of glory-hunters who've never been near the ground but are attracted to the club by the mythology above.
All their players being massively over-rated.
The fact that they force me, albeit only twice a season, to have a grudging respect for Arsenal (a club with genuine history).
Mostly it's the fact that they think they are bigger than Villa and the media, and most neutrals, agree with them. Despite all the stats to the contrary.
Part of this could be blamed on Ellis for failing to capture Villa's history as a marketable product but let's not start that debate again. It's easier to blame Spurs.
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Reading this forum I see many of you detest Spurs as much as myself.
Don't be so hard on yourself. I hate Spurs far more
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Every spurs fan i know is a complete and utter tool
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I hate them because of the '71 League Cup Final. We outplayed them and when they picked up the cup all you could hear was "Villa!" However, the real clincher came when they paraded the cup in front of us and Collins - playing in place of an injured England- stuck his bloody tongue out at us. I mean how childish and given the game disrespectful. I almost climbed over the barrier.
I also got beaten up badly ( on my own about six of them) at the FA cup fifth round match at WHL in, Christ when was it, eh '69? Can't remember now. Anyway. Hated 'em ever since.
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Its the media bias that gets on my nerves and the fact that they can attract players like modric and van der Vaart for the only reason that they are in the so called grand metropolis that is fackin landon.Nope scratch that i hate harry rednap more than any of the above.
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Damon, Ha! Self-loathing maybe?
It bugs me that I care so much but even the last away game, that "boring, boring Villa" bollocks. I mean! The nerve!
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I dislike them, not sure if I hate them though.
I do think they have done a better media job on themselves than we have over the years. Although any club with 17 major trophies isn't exactly small time.
If you also take the last 50 years, they've won more than us, depressingly. Which may also be why the media and "new fans" think more of them than us. Plus of course, they are Lahndan, which is always going to help a club be more "attractive".
Actually, I might hate them, tossers.
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F.O.Y.S
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It's got to be the disproportionate media bias. I saw something once on ESPN Classic which had them beating Arsenal in the SEMI final of the '91 Cup as one of the greatest ever games ever. I literally spluttered into my beer with apoplexy.
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Monty - indeed.
I've stopped watching Sky Spurs News as it was getting too much (VAN DER VAAARRRRT this and JERMAINE DEFOE that).
Anyway, I'm just pleasantly surprised I'm not alone. I always thought of it as s bit of a random hatred.
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No, most football supporters I know hate Spurs. They probably think its because they're ace, but it's not, it's because they think they're ace and they're not.
Also, what kind of manly sporting institution calls themselves lilywhites for fuck's sake?
It suits them though. So does the COCK on a BALL that is their mascot.
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The "Young To Spurs Because They're Such A Bigger Club Than Villa" rumours haven't helped, not least because you just know waxface is behind the rumours, saying things off-record to his journo mates.
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Haha. Yup.
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Not sure I hate Spurs, to me they're more like a moderately talented relative family members praise to excess, some of which is occasionally deserved but much of which is cringeworthy. Would never have imagined Man Citeh's backers managing it, and let's face it, it wasn't their intention nor do they give a toss about other fans' views, but they've managed make me want anyone but Citeh to win, and if that means finding Spurs tolerable, so be it.
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It's true, when it was Citeh vs. Spurs for the CL I definitely would have rather the southern bastards win than the Manc bastards.
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1981/2 Charity Shield - after the game some of us were taunted by cockney tossers waving £5 notes at us, as all Brummies were obviously unemployed.
Not arsed about the club but despise their current manager.
Speak to people who have insider knowledge of the game and it becomes abundantly clear that his reputation regarding certain fiscal matters have some credence, hence the close attentions of HMRC.
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I'm convinced that perception is far more important than truth.
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I don't see hating Spurs as a bad thing. Growing up in the south id meet quite a few fans,and they do all seemed a bit too pleased with themselves,always thinking the club are bigger and better than they actually are,the press dont help with theyre giant Spurs love in...wankers.
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I dislike Spurs because their fans fail to recognise the role Villa played in their existence as a modern club. As with many clubs, Spurs should respectfully look upon Villa as their kindly bigger - and more handsome - brother.
In 1896 (on winning the Southern League) Spurs called on the biggest and most famous club in the world, the Fathers of the Game, to play them in a friendly. Aston Villa F.C. duly turned up and the sell-out crowd's gate receipts helped the amateur Spurs to stabilise and grow.
Spurs called on Villa to help them out in this way on several more occasions, each time allowing the Londoners to boost their coffers and to gain the essential experience of playing against a proper, professional outfit until they eventually had the finances, strucures and experience in place to seek membership of The League. Fact is Villa did an awful lot to help Spurs establish themselves as a professional club and have played no small part in their history.
I dislike Spurs because they are historical small-fry compared to Villa and they owe us a huge debt of gratitude. They wouldn't exist as they do now without us, yet they have the nerve to think they are somehow superior. It's a bit like Cliff Richard thinking he's bigger and better than Elvis (and the Cockney press all agreeing).
They are a naughty child who suddenly thinks he's bigger and better than Dad. The bloomin' cheek of it!
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Because you're a horse.
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I hate them because my Dad supports them. Not that I dislike my Father, but his belief that they are a bigger club than us is very, very irritating. Also, Harry Redknapp is a prick.
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I havn't got a problem with Spurs, i think their record in the last 50 years stands up well - a double, three European trophies, a total of six FA cups and three league cups - I don't mind Arsenal or Chelsea either but some people just don't like London clubs. I save my dislike for Liverpool (too many glory hunters at school in the eighties), Man Utd (too many reasons to list) and Blues (again too many reasons to list). If those three went down I'd wish all the others the best of luck.
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It's got to be the disproportionate media bias. I saw something once on ESPN Classic which had them beating Arsenal in the SEMI final of the '91 Cup as one of the greatest ever games ever. I literally spluttered into my beer with apoplexy.
It was a great game. Much better than the final that year. What's your problem with that?
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Billy, nicely put.
Chris, if my original question was in fact a riddle of some kind, you would win with your answer!
3 points tomorrow please.
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I hate Spurs for the simple reason that the arrogant bastards have surged ahead of us.
Although the blame lies elsewhere for that.
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I hate Spurs for the simple reason that the arrogant bastards have surged ahead of us.
Although the blame lies elsewhere for that.
Seconded.
But we have that one trump card that Arsenal & Chelsea don't have and I don't think Spurs will ever win it.
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Hated them since their double year, the arrogance of their fans, the media's love in with them, particularly when you have lived in London for the past 40 years.
If I had three football wishes the firat two would be that they got relegated and never came back - just to make sure.
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Reading this forum I see many of you detest Spurs as much as myself.
Don't be so hard on yourself. I hate Spurs far more
Thanks Damon for saying what I was thinking but in a much wittier and less condescending way.
I hate Spuds too, but then I'm quite a sad, vengeful, hateful person. The major recent cause of this is Honest Henry Redknapp. The more long-term reason is their shithole of a ground in a shithole of an area.
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They are the Birmingham of the south, They live in Arsenal's shadow. Even Arsenal reserves battered them.
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I despise Spurs, because even my friends who support them become dickheads when they talk about football. Spurs seem to attract a disproportionate number of idiots to support them. Their arrogance given their achievements is phenomenal as well.
Iv got mates that are fine about football, tottenham are mentioned and you wanna set em on fire. The pure arrogance of them being world beaters every single year and that fat twat "Appy Arry". Just everything about em
Still hate b*ggies and bl*es more
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I'm not sure I hate them. My Dad taught me you hate no one you just love Villa thats what makes us special. Anyhow I do think they get a disproportionate amount of publicity for their standing. But overall I cannot stand Harry Redknap. His dealings with the press over transfers is so disrespectful to other teams. And what really has he achieved for a manager of 27 years. Most of his teams were borderline bankrupt when he left them. To my mind he is the Gillette/Hicks/Glaziers of the managers. Only in football for the Money and one of the reason many fans can't afford to go to games anymore. He is also the Peter Mandleson of sport.
Rant over
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I see they have put an application in to possibly play in the olympic stadium after 2012. Them and West Ham playing in the same stadium. Oh the irony.
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I hate Spurs way more than City.
I hate them with a passion I have seldom known.
I hate Harry Redknapp more than any other manager. I hate his droopy face
I hate spurs fans. No matter where in the country they come from or their social status, they sound like common people from Essex.
I hate that stupid shelf end of their ground.
I hate when you go to WHL the stewards throw you out if you even slightly think about standing up, while their muppet, ben sherman wearing fans stand on their charis and dance. I also think it is the most disgusting area of any ground ever.
I hate they way all their players seem to shave their eyebrows.
I hate chaz and dave
I hate Jamie Redknapp
Their mascot is a cock
F Spurs, F their fans, just F them
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Three words - SIMON FUCKIN MAYO >:(
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You can add another one here to the list - for as most people have been saying the sheer ego and big big nuts cockerny swagger of them all
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I don't hate them or their fans, at least no more than is appropriate for a bunch of cockney twats that are direct PL rivals. But the media wankfest that follows them is vomit inducing. Stick them outside of London and with their history/following they'd be Sunderland.
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My level of Spurs hatred at any particular time bears a direct correlation with the amount of my time wasted tuned into TalkSport.
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why not have a cock as their emblem when they have 35k+ cocks sitting in their stadium...
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I hate there fan's with a passion and i hate there team just as much it.
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I hate Spurs way more than City.
are we talking Man City here?
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I hate Spurs way more than City.
I hate them with a passion I have seldom known.
I hate Harry Redknapp more than any other manager. I hate his droopy face
I hate spurs fans. No matter where in the country they come from or their social status, they sound like common people from Essex.
I hate that stupid shelf end of their ground.
I hate when you go to WHL the stewards throw you out if you even slightly think about standing up, while their muppet, ben sherman wearing fans stand on their charis and dance. I also think it is the most disgusting area of any ground ever.
I hate they way all their players seem to shave their eyebrows.
I hate chaz and dave
I hate Jamie Redknapp
Their mascot is a cock
F Spurs, F their fans, just F them
Can we have a banner made up with this printed on it?
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In other news, spurs could gazump wet spam for the olympic stadium (http://tinyurl.com/3977gh6) which could be funny
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In other news, spurs could gazump wet spam for the olympic stadium (http://tinyurl.com/3977gh6) which could be funny
Funny if it were anyone but Spurs.
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I have always hated them more than any other London club and they're probably only behind Manure, Blose and possibly Leeds on the 'Hate Spectrum' (that I've just made up).
The fact that the media have always over-hyped them is one of the reasons. They had terrible players in the 1990s that would always get into the England side due to playing for Spurs. They were continually in mid-table and were still talked as one of the big sides, even though we'd finish higher year on year and weren't.
Add to that this season, when I can throw in jealousy because they actually do have a bloody good team and are in the Champion's League (also known as the passage to mega-bucks).
Talk of them getting a 60k stadium paid for by the tax-payer doesn't help either.
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For a club that is smaller than us, has less history than us, we sure do seem to talk about them a lot.
I wonder if they talk about us as much?
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For a club that is smaller than us, has less history than us, we sure do seem to talk about them a lot.
I wonder if they talk about us as much?
Everyone else talks about them more. This annoys us, as our rightful place in football is consistently overlooked in favour of a club that, as Billy Walker says a little way back, would barely exist without us. We are not jealous, we are annoyed.
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For a club that is smaller than us, has less history than us, we sure do seem to talk about them a lot.
I wonder if they talk about us as much?
Everyone else talks about them more. This annoys us, as our rightful place in football is consistently overlooked in favour of a club that, as Billy Walker says a little way back, would barely exist without us. We are not jealous, we are annoyed.
So because we played a few friendlies against them more than a century ago, they, and the media, should still be showing reverence to us?
Just because we know our clubs history and the importance of our club 100+ years ago, doesn't mean that much in todays game. That may be something that fucks me off no end, but it's not the fault of clubs like Spurs, more the fault of Sky, the PL, us for being so poor at promoting and marketing ourselves for the past god knows how many decades, and modern football in general.
But for people to say a club with 17 major honours (compared to our 20), a club that has won more trophies than us in the last 50 years, to be the small heath of the south etc, then it strikes me as more than mere annoyance.
And I dislike the feckers a lot, but I despise modern football much much more.
Disclaimer: If the above is a bit disjointed, i've had a banging headache for the past 2 days!
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I don't hate any one ..may be Chelsea ..and oh yes Man Shitty now and Utd cos of all the kids in Brum supporting them ... However as a youngster I used to hate Leeds cos they were successful and I do hope Shitty and Chelski suffer the same fate ...other tha that
as I said I don't hate any one!
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The fact that the media have always over-hyped them is one of the reasons. They had terrible players in the 1990s that would always get into the England side due to playing for Spurs. They were continually in mid-table and were still talked as one of the big sides, even though we'd finish higher year on year and weren't.
In fairness we were seen as a big side then, tipped for the title a few times (largely as outsiders). Can't remember the last time Spurs were tipped for the league. Even the talentless old bloaters on Fleet Street knew they couldn't get away with that kind of fabrication.
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Their ground is a shithole.
Their stewards are arseholes.
Their fans are arseholes.
Harry Redknob is an arsehole.
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For a club that is smaller than us, has less history than us, we sure do seem to talk about them a lot.
I wonder if they talk about us as much?
Everyone else talks about them more. This annoys us, as our rightful place in football is consistently overlooked in favour of a club that, as Billy Walker says a little way back, would barely exist without us. We are not jealous, we are annoyed.
So because we played a few friendlies against them more than a century ago, they, and the media, should still be showing reverence to us?
Just because we know our clubs history and the importance of our club 100+ years ago, doesn't mean that much in todays game. That may be something that fucks me off no end, but it's not the fault of clubs like Spurs, more the fault of Sky, the PL, us for being so poor at promoting and marketing ourselves for the past god knows how many decades, and modern football in general.
But for people to say a club with 17 major honours (compared to our 20), a club that has won more trophies than us in the last 50 years, to be the small heath of the south etc, then it strikes me as more than mere annoyance.
And I dislike the feckers a lot, but I despise modern football much much more.
Disclaimer: If the above is a bit disjointed, i've had a banging headache for the past 2 days!
Have they ever won the European Cup, the European Cup, the European Cup?
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Cocky arrogant bastards and the first team I saw beat us at Villa Park.
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The thing is, I work with 5 Spurs fans, I like them all and their not cocks. I don't outright hate them, it's been a slow undercurrent of loathing building up since the mid 90's. I had no problem with the Gerry Francis/Christian Gross era's, I think it's when their managerial choices went a bit more ambitious (the word ambitious is not used here in accepted sense). They thought Georgie 'Brown envelope' Graham would replicate his early Arsenal success and the later success he had building a good, young team at Leeds, they thought faith Heeler Hoddle would do the job, bringing his maestro like midfield performances to the way they played after he went a little bit naughty as the England manager. When they got World cup and European cup winning Jaques Santini they thought they had it made. The media believed the hype like their fans and never delivered, now it's the same with 'last great English manager' honest 'arry. Having Harry makes me hate them more, I found my hate subsided somewhat under the Martin Jol days because he seemed such an affable chap.
Something just happened in the mid 90's. We were evenly matched on paper, the same kind of exposure and fan base though our history was better but there was this creeping Spurs trend in the media.
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On the most part the Spurs fans I know are assholes. When it's going well they swagger around like they're shit doesn't stink. And when it doesn't go well it's doom and gloom of the highest order, as if because they're Spurs, they've a god given right for unadulterated success. Mostly cocky twats in my own experience. I have one mate who's a Spurs fan, but we don't particularly talk much about football, which probably benefits our friendship. Listening to Spurs fans talk about football is one of life's incessant bores.
A more deluded set of fans, you'd struggle to find to be honest.
I used to enjoy watching them play in the 90's, because they had some cracking individual talents worth watching. Klinsmann, Ginola, Postiga (tee-hee). But now, they just seem like a dodgy bunch of gangsters, working for their dodgy gangster manager. Fucking assholes!
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But wont we like them just a little weeny bit if they stop the Porn Merchants getting a stadium paid for by you and me?
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On the most part the Spurs fans I know are assholes. When it's going well they swagger around like they're shit doesn't stink. And when it doesn't go well it's doom and gloom of the highest order, as if because they're Spurs, they've a god given right for unadulterated success. Mostly cocky twats in my own experience. I have one mate who's a Spurs fan, but we don't particularly talk much about football, which probably benefits our friendship. Listening to Spurs fans talk about football is one of life's incessant bores.
A more deluded set of fans, you'd struggle to find to be honest.
I used to enjoy watching them play in the 90's, because they had some cracking individual talents worth watching. Klinsmann, Ginola, Postiga (tee-hee). But now, they just seem like a dodgy bunch of gangsters, working for their dodgy gangster manager. Fucking assholes!
A perfect summation....
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They were the media faves in the 80s even more than they are now.
They can sign big name players and we can't.
They have overtaken us.
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one word Jealousy
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one word Jealousy
I do not hate them because I am jealous of them. I'm really very annoyed about this, because apart from a few of their players there is nothing about them that I wish was us, and players are hardly grounds for deep-seated hatred on the basis of jealousy, are they?
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one word Jealousy
I do not hate them because I am jealous of them. I'm really very annoyed about this, because apart from a few of their players there is nothing about them that I wish was us, and players are hardly grounds for deep-seated hatred on the basis of jealousy, are they?
Well i am jealous of the fact that they made top four instead of us,
im jealous of the players they have and can attract.
And it damn well pisses me off with the last two years we have basically wasted with Oneil, granted i had two Wembley trips, but any decent manager would have took the huge oppurtunity to make top four.
If we all take a step back and look at the last couple of years the oppurtunity to make top four has been there, first with Arsenel and Last year with Liverpool.
We have been in contention both years and i am jealous because spurs did it and we never, but there is no team i would rather support than Villa regardless.
I think we are going to improve under Houllier even if we dont reach 6th again.
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The way their bench terrorised the fourth official today (was it Attwell?) is a big indicator of the 'big-I-am' culture that surrounds the club at the present time. It's not much of a reason but just something I thought worth commenting on.
And for the record, for any interloping Spurs fans, I'm not jealous of you or your club. I made the right choice twenty-one years ago to be a Villa fan. You've been crap before and you'll be crap again, so make the most of it.
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I hate Tottenham Hotspur.
The way that the manager affected a more Cockney accent when he joined them.
The lairy, arrogant supporters.
The way we were beaten today by a player signed just after the transfer deadline.
I hate them.
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i use the word jealousy because we all know as do they, that we are a genuine big club with real history and heritage.
But it can all turn on its head, if they dont make top four this year will VDV stay? Will Gareth Bale be able to resist going Real Madrid, will Modric stay?
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I don't hate them. I just think the London factor makes them think they are bigger then what they actually are.
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The way their bench terrorised the fourth official today (was it Attwell?) is a big indicator of the 'big-I-am' culture that surrounds the club at the present time. It's not much of a reason but just something I thought worth commenting on.
Going somewhat off-topic here, but this comment struck a chord for a more general reason.
I've just finished watching the Super League Grand Final and one of the things that struck me most was the respect with which the officials were treated by both the players and the commentators. With about 15 minutes to go, St Helens, already trailing by about 16 points, were starting to lose their composure. A decision that could have gone either way was given against them and one of their players responded to the referee in a way more usually seen in football: shouting and gesticulating wildly with his arm. Referee blows up, calls captain and player concerned to him and admonishes him (he's lucky it was a final otherwise he'd probably have been sin-binned) while the commentators reinforced the need to respect officials.
There were plenty of small in-game decisions that could have been called the other way and could have been analysed ad nauseum were the commentators that way inclined (this was on Sky remember) but they didn't, the emphasis was on the game, the players remaining professional and what they did or didn't do.
Football could learn SO much from other sports, but it doesn't and that's a massive indicator for me of the "big I am" culture that surrounds the game in this country at the present time. And I'm pretty much bored with it.
We lost today by two goals to a club who were clearly allowed to sign a player outside of the transfer window. Meh. Par for the course for a game that's disappearing up its own arse.
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Great thread this...
I thought I was the only one who had this irrational hatred of a club that has so little relevance to us up here in the midlands.
I'm sure its not a jealousy thing though, I dislike Man U and Chelsea (and Liverpool back in the day) because of envy - but I don't hate them the way I hate Spurs.
I hate the noses - understandably - as our local rivals.
Its not a London thing - I've never minded Arsenal, despite them being more successful than us over the past 40 years.
So I must admit its pretty hard to explain, but I think it started for me when, in the days before the internet, when you'd get your daily football gossip fix from one of the tabloid papers, Tottingham would only have to win a fucking corner to get a back page headline.
Plus an un-natural percentage of their fans wear flat caps. Most cnutish behaviour.
And I fucking hate Chas and Dave.
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To me it started in 1981, the Spurs V Man City FA Cup final. There were neutrals giving such stupid reasons why they wanted Spurs to win, there was the stupid Chas & Dave (as mentioned above) song, "in de cup for dottingham", and the way the media wanked over Ricky Villa's goal, while forgetting a far more spectacular volleyed goal for Man City.
Then there was their stupid fucking way of going "we must win the cup this year, it's a 1 year", followed the next year by"it's a 2 year...", and I would be thinking, "why don't you just fuck off!!!"
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I don't hate Spurzz at all, as most of my family are Spurzzz fans, so don't buy the crap that all Spurzzz fans are arrogant, c*$ts, or whatever you think they are. Not all Villa fans are shining examples of the good citizens either.
Like all big teams they think they are better than they are, deserve to be winning things when they are not (maybe we should read some of our own comments about our own team).
They are hyped up because they are in London and that's about it.
There are far more other teams that I dislike a great deal more. Spurzzz haven't really done anything to make me dislike them, or even really care about them one way or another. They are just another team.
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To me it started in 1981, the Spurs V Man City FA Cup final. There were neutrals giving such stupid reasons why they wanted Spurs to win, there was the stupid Chas & Dave (as mentioned above) song, "in de cup for dottingham", and the way the media wanked over Ricky Villa's goal, while forgetting a far more spectacular volleyed goal for Man City.
Yeah, thats the kind of thing I mean.
If Ricky Villa took a shit you could be sure The Sun would have an 8-photo step-by-step photographic sequence of it the next day.
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Like all big teams they think they are better than they are, deserve to be winning things when they are not (maybe we should read some of our own comments about our own team).
Surely you meant to say 'like all mediocre teams...'
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Not so much a Spurs thing as modern football in general - the past counts for nothing. SKY
go as far as to only base their all time head to head stats from 1992 onwards and there is at least one
maybe two generations of kids who have grown up only seeing 2-3 teams win stuff. We
havent won anything since 1996 whereas the same 2-3 teams are cleaning up every year
making us seem irrelevant in comparison. The fact Spurs have now broke the top four despite
the fact they have only finished above us in maybe 6 seasons or so since the Prem League
itself began seems to be all that matters now.
With Villa at the minute - and its probably the same for 16 or so clubs in the top flight - you
have to play it as it comes, theres no real consistency, enjoy your wins and suffer your losses
as opposed to having any realistic long term hopes unlike the 3-4 clubs that have serious financial
muscle and are championed by a media that conveniently forgets a time when it was a far
more competitive sport.
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I never really hated them until about an hour ago when one of their "fans" phoned 606 and said " maybe not this year but next year we'll win the premier league" mentioned how shit we were then fucked off with his erection under the nearest rock.
They've now joined my my list of hate figures in football...page 246.
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I heard 606 and the bloke went 'Villa are supposed to be brilliant under Gerard Houllier. Well, they ain't.' I will now go and hide under the covers after that eloquent attack.
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Like all big teams they think they are better than they are, deserve to be winning things when they are not (maybe we should read some of our own comments about our own team).
Surely you meant to say 'like all mediocre teams...'
They've won more trophies than us in the last 50 years, so what does that make us?
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European Champions.
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funniest thing i have ever heard at a game was when they came to our place and started singing, "have you won a european cup?"...
i really didnt think it was possible to be as clueless as they appeared, but as a fanbase, they really are THAT stupid...
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Saturday lunchtime they did a piece on Spurs. They were discussing their current position with former players at some corporate golf day.
Even they were completely fucking deluded.
White Hart lane being a special ground on European nights and all that jazz.
But by far the worst was the fact that, to a man, whilst disappointed at losing in the league cup to Arsenal they had more important trophies to concentrate on this season so were secretly pleased they had got knocked out.
It's the only trophy they are likely to win this season for crying out loud. Arsewipes.
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European Champions.
So are Forest, twice.funniest thing i have ever heard at a game was when they came to our place and started singing, "have you won a european cup?"...
i really didnt think it was possible to be as clueless as they appeared, but as a fanbase, they really are THAT stupid...
Didn't we sing that to Ajax a few years ago?
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Because there fans think Gareth Bale is as good as Messi or Ronaldo. And that there some perception they have a great squad. They have a Bottlers mentality either in big games or games they shud win- Leeds fa cup. I dont want them in top 4 and hope they fail. More often that not they seem to 'ruin' decent players and fear holtby sigurdson and demspey made mistake moving there.
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Because I loathe them to such an extent that they made me want chelski to win the European Cup, and that just makes me hate them more. Odious nothing of a club. And hoddle, he can fuck right off too. And take anderton with him. And perryman. And crooks. And roberts. And ginola. And ardiles. And redknapp. And hoddle. And especially hoddle. Fuck off.
Fuck.
Right.
Off.
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I hate them because they have achieved everything I thought we would over the past six years but for far less money.
The only good thing about spurs is Brad Friedel. A class man.
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Spurs, West Ham and Newcastle all have delusions of grandeur.
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Spurs, West Ham and Newcastle all have delusions of grandeur.
Spurs are a big club , newcastle were a big club and have the potential, west ham have never been a big club and never will.
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Can you be considered a big club when you've only been Champions twice?
Not for me.
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Can you be considered a big club when you've only been Champions twice?
Not for me.
We have been champions once in the last 100 years but id say we are a big club -the likes of utd, arsenal , liverpool are bigger.
I would say villa newcastle and spurs Are all in the biggest 8 clubs in the country - west ham are not.
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Oh of course, West Ham are strictly Mickey Mouse, but Spurs... they've been a good side for the past 7 or so years, but they've won two titles in their entire history. We've won 7, Everton 9 and their near neighbours 13.
Nah, they're a good side and a decent sized club, but their N17 postcode is what has been most advantageous for them.
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Because they should be attached to the back of a pair of Cowboy boots! Cowboy boots WTF !
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because without Bale they are mediocre...
I was told that currently he is the best player in the world....and he was serious too, and he didn't say alot more as the hysterical laughing from the rest of the pub drowned him out....(including the one Spurs fan that is not a deluded twat)
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..because they're all fart and no shit.
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I think I've realised that I don't actually hate Spurs, I just didn't like them very much when that 'Orrible red, jowley-faced get was manager there. Mind, you've got to feel sorry for a club who've now got branding that makes me think of undercrackers plastered all over their stadium, and whose best asset will probably be signed up by Real because Madrid zoo is short of chimp-like creatures.
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I'd say 17 major trophies makes them a big club. Annoying, full of themselves and thinking they are far bigger than they actually are, but a big club nonetheless.
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I'd say 17 major trophies makes them a big club. Annoying, full of themselves and thinking they are far bigger than they actually are, but a big club nonetheless.
Agreed.
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I'd say 17 major trophies makes them a big club. Annoying, full of themselves and thinking they are far bigger than they actually are, but a big club nonetheless.
2 leagues, 8 FA cups and....?
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I'd say 17 major trophies makes them a big club. Annoying, full of themselves and thinking they are far bigger than they actually are, but a big club nonetheless.
2 leagues, 8 FA cups and....?
League cups, Uefa cups and an Inter City Fairy competition they won for having the cleanest kit.
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I think they're a big club, just not in our league with Everton, who are not in the same league as Arsenal, who are in turn not in the same league as Man United or Liverpool.
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I'd say 17 major trophies makes them a big club. Annoying, full of themselves and thinking they are far bigger than they actually are, but a big club nonetheless.
2 leagues, 8 FA cups and....?
4 LC 2 UEFA Cup and a Cup Winners Cup.
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I don't hate Tiottenham to be honest. Their team is a collection of individuals though rather than a team. if Bale isn't playing well then that's it usually.
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They're just a slimline Newcastle with shirts.
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Still detest Spurs but I have to admit that Bale in his current form tempers my dislike of them. He is player of the season without doubt and he is a joy to watch in such form. Then there's that glove waring toss pot at the back with the tied mop of hair, Corluka. He's rapidly approaching Ferdinand status and the epitome of what a Tottenham player is all about and more than undos any good that Bale brings to them.
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Assou-Ekotto?
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Assou-Ekotto?
Yeah, I meant him. Just had to Google it first to make sure, such a tosser.
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Assou-Ekotto?
Bless you!
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Assou-Ekotto?
Yeah, I meant him. Just had to Google it first to make sure, such a tosser.
There's no need to be harsh on yourself.
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I like Assou-Ekotto. And Bale.No problem with Lennon or Defoe as it happens. And Dawson and Walker are good defenders. Well, Walker and defending still doesn'tquite fit. I also like Dembele and Parker. Yeah, quite like them. More than fucking Arsenal.
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I don't hate them as much as i used to. If you think the media love them now you should have seen it in the 80s. Now i think they've been displaced by Chelsea as the other big club in London so its not as bad. I was jealous of them 4 or 5 years ago when they first played in the champions league. Them overtaking us while we stalled in 6th place was infuriating. Its more bearable now as inspite of all their efforts in recent seasons they won the same amount of trophies as us.
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Nice to see the hatred burns as brightly as ever. Spurs..... Tsk.
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As much as I hate spurs right now, you've sure gotta love Gareth Bale.
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Apart from 'arry I think our dislike of Tottenham comes we see them as a direct competitor due to size of the clubs. We don't want to see them do too well. Other than the media wanking over them what else do we really have to dislike (or care) about them? I think that bias and how the media portrays Everton- also our club size rivals- is one of the main reasons we have a grudging acceptance of their performances and them as a club in general.
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As much as I hate spurs right now, you've sure gotta love Gareth Bale.
He is a cheating ******.
His dive against us was comical at WHL.
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Always to do with the media hype they get. Their current side is good to watch in fairness.
Again on Saturday, you had J. Redknapp saying they were 2 players from challenging for the title. What about mentality and all that?
And I also remember his dad saying in October/November saying they'd challenge for the title and yet by may that had been magically downgraded to "it will be great to finish in the top 4" when they'd inevitably slump in the run in.
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Do Spurs message boards have threads saying how much they hate us?
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As much as I hate spurs right now, you've sure gotta love Gareth Bale.
He is a cheating c***.
His dive against us was comical at WHL.
The dive by Dawkins yesterday wasn't too good either.
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Do Spurs message boards have threads saying how much they hate us?
Everton's do.
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I think we're in second place on the Everton hate list.
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I think we're in second place on the Everton hate list.
I'd love to know why.
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I think we're in second place on the Everton hate list.
I'd love to know why.
I reckon it's because deep down they know they are just behind us in the big club league. It's the only logical explanation as they really do seem to hate us.
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I do honestly think there's a certain dislike us 3 because of a psychological fight for dominance. We're the same sized clubs and we seem to likeit when they don't perform better than us over a season. Why? Other than the 'big' clubs and local teams why do we share a negativity towards each other?
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I think we're in second place on the Everton hate list.
We do have a history of making them look stupid, I suppose.
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I think we're in second place on the Everton hate list.
I'd love to know why.
If you know yer history, we're a little bit grander and older. That probably vexes them a bit.
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I think we're in second place on the Everton hate list.
We do have a history of making them look stupid, I suppose.
It must rankle that we actually remember what its like to win at Anfield.
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It must annoy them when they bang on about knowing your history that we are the only club with a better one. But it still doesn't explain the hatred. It's not banter *shudder* from a lot of them, it's outright hate.
I've said before that years ago I used to use Rivals. They were forever on the Villa page gloating when we lost etc. There was more shite from Everton fans on there than small heath, cov and the pride of the Midlands combined.
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I quite like Everton really. Their team are an annoying elbowy bunch, but the club I quite like. Spurs I can't stand.
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It must annoy them when they bang on about knowing your history that we are the only club with a better one. But it still doesn't explain the hatred. It's not banter *shudder* from a lot of them, it's outright hate.
I've said before that years ago I used to use Rivals. They were forever on the Villa page gloating when we lost etc. There was more shite from Everton fans on there than small heath, cov and the pride of the Midlands combined.
In the pre-internet days When Skies Are Grey also started talking about us like we were some big mad rivals as well. It is, as I've said many times before, strange that a club which prides itself on its history and image of being old-school and unfashionable should be so angry about a club that's so similar.
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As much as I hate spurs right now, you've sure gotta love Gareth Bale.
I don't, he looks like Alex Kidd off the Sega Master System. And don't get me started on that stupid heart celebration he does...
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Don't have much against Everton and they have a brilliant manager. Be interesting to see how "well" they do once Moyes departs.
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It must annoy them when they bang on about knowing your history that we are the only club with a better one. But it still doesn't explain the hatred. It's not banter *shudder* from a lot of them, it's outright hate.
I've said before that years ago I used to use Rivals. They were forever on the Villa page gloating when we lost etc. There was more shite from Everton fans on there than small heath, cov and the pride of the Midlands combined.
In the pre-internet days When Skies Are Grey also started talking about us like we were some big mad rivals as well. It is, as I've said many times before, strange that a club which prides itself on its history and image of being old-school and unfashionable should be so angry about a club that's so similar.
But less successful.
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I absolutely detested them in the `80s, because they got so much more publicity from the press for winning the FA cup 2 years in succession (81-82) than we ever got for winning the League and European cup, to be fair to them, that was the press`s London bias in overdrive, but it still was bloody annoying.
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My first football wish would be for Spurs to be relagated, as would be my second just to make sure and my third is that they don't come back. A Spurs fan is probably wishing us just the same but has been rubbing his lamp harder.
I quite like their current manaager and they are a good team to watch , like others my feelings go back to the 80s with the media love in for them which still exists today. They are always one game, one player away from being a great team.
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I think part of it with Everton is that we by and large get the upper hand. They've won twice at Villa Park in 25 years and they've beaten us, what three times at Goodison in the same period?
I can only recall a 2-1 defeat when Rooney scored, a 4-1 in the league when Gabby got his first senior goal and then a 3-1 in the cup.
If you add this to us having a better history, then it must nark them.
I think they're alright as a club. Their ground is a classic, but its a bit shabby and grubby these days, their fans are awful mind.
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There are a lot of reasons to dislike Spurs but mostly it is about envy at them doing the right thing and them getting more love than they seem to deserve.
It goes back a long way.
Spurs seem to do so many things right in terms of management, which Villa have tended to get wrong, especially in the post WW2 era when Villa excelled at screwing things up, in the early years of a football boom.
Villa were a mediocre selling club in 1951 when Spurs won their first league title - Villa sold Trevor Ford for the then record sum of £30k.
So as Villa started their decline, which was only temporarily interrupted by their giant-killing at Wembley, Spurs began their ascent. Spurs went in the opposite direction and it proved a turning point for the two clubs' fortunes and status.
Villa even sold them the captain who eventually helped them win the double in 1961, in Danny Blanchflower (another record £30k sell-off). As Villa were pissing away their heritage in the 1960s (Villa sold Hateley for £100k), Spurs were on the rise and became a prestige brand.
Even as Villa were winning their European trophy Spurs equalled Villa's record number of FA cup wins and eventually surpassed them ten years later.
There were plenty of reasons to resent the upstarts.
Just as Villa were slow to introduce floodlights in the 1950s, they were slow to implement the marketing and business innovations which Spurs led the way with.
This gave them the financial edge which enable Spurs to create a gap which Villa have since failed to bridge.
Spurs have just been a better run club since the Premiership began too.
Spurs bought players and sold them at huge profits (Berbatov and Modric et al) than Villa have managed - the two players mentioned both went for more than £30m. They will do it again with Bale.
But the big difference is that Spurs have reinvested the money in the team and Villa have not.
So the same pattern has repeated itself: Villa threw away their heritage and every advantage they have ever had and are doing it again and allowed a club with hardly any top flight history before WW2 to surpass them.
So no Villa fan needs to think too hard as to why they hate Spurs.
They just remind us of every useless **** who has fucked up our club.
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Spurs have just been a better run club since the Premiership began too.
Well, except for the farcical Alan Sugar years when they had managers like Peter Shreeves, Doug Livermore, Christian "zones 1-3" Gross , Gerry Francis, Ardiles, and then appointing George Graham ( Spurs' very own McLeish)
And we've won exactly the same trophies as Spurs since the premier league was formed.
I don't really hate spurs. I just really hate every single Spurs fan I've ever met
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As much as I hate spurs right now, you've sure gotta love Gareth Bale.
I don't, he looks like Alex Kidd off the Sega Master System. And don't get me started on that stupid heart celebration he does...
Fucking brilliant.
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Spurs have done better than Villa since Harry Rednapp was appointed. Before then, in the premiership, I believe Villa have done much better league wise haven't they? Certainly finished in the top 5 more than Spurs.
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There are a lot of reasons to dislike Spurs but mostly it is about envy at them doing the right thing and them getting more love than they seem to deserve.
It goes back a long way.
Spurs seem to do so many things right in terms of management, which Villa have tended to get wrong, especially in the post WW2 era when Villa excelled at screwing things up, in the early years of a football boom.
Villa were a mediocre selling club in 1951 when Spurs won their first league title - Villa sold Trevor Ford for the then record sum of £30k.
So as Villa started their decline, which was only temporarily interrupted by their giant-killing at Wembley, Spurs began their ascent. Spurs went in the opposite direction and it proved a turning point for the two clubs' fortunes and status.
Villa even sold them the captain who eventually helped them win the double in 1961, in Danny Blanchflower (another record £30k sell-off). As Villa were pissing away their heritage in the 1960s (Villa sold Hateley for £100k), Spurs were on the rise and became a prestige brand.
Even as Villa were winning their European trophy Spurs equalled Villa's record number of FA cup wins and eventually surpassed them ten years later.
There were plenty of reasons to resent the upstarts.
Just as Villa were slow to introduce floodlights in the 1950s, they were slow to implement the marketing and business innovations which Spurs led the way with.
This gave them the financial edge which enable Spurs to create a gap which Villa have since failed to bridge.
Spurs have just been a better run club since the Premiership began too.
Spurs bought players and sold them at huge profits (Berbatov and Modric et al) than Villa have managed - the two players mentioned both went for more than £30m. They will do it again with Bale.
But the big difference is that Spurs have reinvested the money in the team and Villa have not.
So the same pattern has repeated itself: Villa threw away their heritage and every advantage they have ever had and are doing it again and allowed a club with hardly any top flight history before WW2 to surpass them.
So no Villa fan needs to think too hard as to why they hate Spurs.
They just remind us of every useless **** who has fucked up our club.
You don't half talk some shite. Winning the European Cup is no better than the FA Cup? Sure. They're better than us now. Five years ago they weren't. In five years time they won't be again.
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As much as I hate spurs right now, you've sure gotta love Gareth Bale.
I don't, he looks like Alex Kidd off the Sega Master System. And don't get me started on that stupid heart celebration he does...
These days I just assume he is telling us something about his missus since she had the kid. :P
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We didn’t win a European cup, we won the European Cup.
As long as you’ve got a hole in your arse, Spurs will never equal that achievement, nor will they surpass our titles.
They’ve done well since they got Joe Lewis and a load of billionaires to back them. Good for them, as it’s meant that I no longer have to listen to Spurs fans whinge about finishing 13th, like I did every other Saturday for 15 odd years since football was invented.
They’ve got a good side, but you cannot be taken seriously if you’re not the biggest club in your city. Spurs aren’t even the second biggest.
We will have to console ourselves while we look enviously at their floodlights. Jesus titty fucking H Christ.
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I used to really hate Spurs. Problem is a very good friend of mine lives in North London. Goes home and away every week. He always wishes us the best of luck and genuinley wants us to do well because of me. In returning the favour I find it really hard to hate Spurs because I want him to enjoy watching Spurs.
When we were kneck and kneck for 4th a few years ago I said to him, If we didn;t get 4th then I'd genuinley like him to enjoy Champions League because I knew he'd go to every game and enjoy it as much as I would.
He's coming in our away end at Arsenal in exchange for a weekend at his and on the piss.
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Even as Villa were winning their European trophy Spurs equalled Villa's record number of FA cup wins and eventually surpassed them ten years later.
What a load of shite. You make it sound like we won the Anglo-Italian not the European Cup. I prefer having that and winning the league in colour in the trophy room along with our 7 FA Cups rather than 8 FA Cups.
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Even as Villa were winning their European trophy Spurs equalled Villa's record number of FA cup wins and eventually surpassed them ten years later.
What a load of shite. You make it sound like we won the Anglo-Italian not the European Cup. I prefer having that and winning the league in colour in the trophy room along with our 7 FA Cups rather than 8 FA Cups.
I raise you Spurs floodlights.
Game. Set. Match.
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Every time I meet somebody from London who's a bit simple, I assume he's a Spurs fan.
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Even as Villa were winning their European trophy Spurs equalled Villa's record number of FA cup wins and eventually surpassed them ten years later.
What a load of shite. You make it sound like we won the Anglo-Italian not the European Cup. I prefer having that and winning the league in colour in the trophy room along with our 7 FA Cups rather than 8 FA Cups.
I raise you Spurs floodlights.
Game. Set. Match.
I've been pwned. Damn floodlights!! *shakes fist*
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You don't half talk some shite. Winning the European Cup is no better than the FA Cup? Sure. They're better than us now. Five years ago they weren't. In five years time they won't be again.
Hard to see that being the case. Lerner has inflicted lasting damage on the club.
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Every time I meet somebody from London who's a bit simple, I assume he's a Spurs fan
I don't think I've met a Spurs fan from London. Most seem to live out in St Albans or some other comfy, middle class Hertfordshire backwater.
I suppose you've got to have a few quid though to afford a Spurs season ticket.
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You don't half talk some shite. Winning the European Cup is no better than the FA Cup? Sure. They're better than us now. Five years ago they weren't. In five years time they won't be again.
Hard to see that being the case. Lerner has inflicted lasting damage on the club.
Not really, the only constant in football is that things always change. 5 years ago no one would have thought Spurs would be CL contenders while we're fighting the drop. At the same time the Sky 4 would never be budged and were going to be the top 4 for ever. Last year Swansea were going to finish bottom and challenge Derby for lowest points. Things change or don't go as we (or pundits) expect.
If we stay up and the players continue to improve and say Spurs sell Bale then it's not exactly going into Twilight Zone territory to imagine the gap between could be very small.
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You don't half talk some shite. Winning the European Cup is no better than the FA Cup? Sure. They're better than us now. Five years ago they weren't. In five years time they won't be again.
Hard to see that being the case. Lerner has inflicted lasting damage on the club.
Not really, the only constant in football is that things always change. 5 years ago no one would have thought Spurs would be CL contenders while we're fighting the drop. At the same time the Sky 4 would never be budged and were going to be the top 4 for ever. Last year Swansea were going to finish bottom and challenge Derby for lowest points. Things change or don't go as we (or pundits) expect.
If we stay up and the players continue to improve and say Spurs sell Bale then it's not exactly going into Twilight Zone territory to imagine the gap between could be very small.
Spurs are geared to, and their better players expect, Champions League football. If they don't get that then who knows how it will effect the club. And lets not forget this current success started with Martin Jol, who recruiting a lot of young players with the hope a percentage of them would make the grade. Not disimilar to us right now.
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Spurs last figures indicate a turnover of £165m and Villa's turnover was reported at £92m.
Catching up and then surpassing Spurs in five years looks unlikely to say the least, even without relegation.
And yet Dave Woodhall guarantees it.
What does he know that we don't?
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I think Mr Woodhall knows a lot more than most, to be honest. IMO.
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Won't those latest figures include Misnomer League football money? They got to the 2nd round didn't they?
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Spurs last figures indicate a turnover of £165m and Villa's turnover was reported at £92m.
Catching up and then surpassing Spurs in five years looks unlikely to say the least, even without relegation.
And yet Dave Woodhall guarantees it.
What does he know that we don't?
It didn't help that while MON was manager we were spending so much more on wages than Spurs were.
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They’ve got a good side, but you cannot be taken seriously if you’re not the biggest club in your city. Spurs aren’t even the second biggest.
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Ads,
I have to disagree with you there. Man City, Everton, Inter, Spurs, Rangers, Athletico Madrid are all big clubs without being the top dogs in their home city.
Having lived in London for about 15 years on and off since the mid 80s I would also say that Spurs are bigger than Chelsea - certainly historically ( not sure how long that will last though). I think that Arsenal are the biggest club in London but would place Spurs second. Until Abramovic I would have put Chelsea and W Ham on an equal footing, but alas those days are gone.
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Deciding the relative merits of Spurs and Chelsea is like deciding whether you prefer athlete's foot or eczema
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I think Mr Woodhall knows a lot more than most, to be honest. IMO.
He certainly knows what people want to hear.
It is just a pity his Villa history suffers from selective memory syndrome.
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I think Mr Woodhall knows a lot more than most, to be honest. IMO.
He certainly knows what people want to hear.
It is just a pity his Villa history suffers from selective memory syndrome.
That's rich coming from someone who uses having floodlights first as a reason why Spurs are bigger than us.
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I think Mr Woodhall knows a lot more than most, to be honest. IMO.
He certainly knows what people want to hear.
It is just a pity his Villa history suffers from selective memory syndrome.
That's rich coming from someone who uses having floodlights first as a reason why Spurs are bigger than us.
That's rich coming from someone who pretends that being slow to introduce such an important innovation, is not a sign of a complacent backward-looking club.
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But we're carbon neutral now so that makes us a bigger club than Spurs.
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Bazinga!
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They banned smoking before us as well, but probably only because that stand is still a rickety, wooden piece of shit.
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They banned smoking before us as well, but probably only because that stand is still a rickety, wooden piece of shit.
That would be the Archibald Leitch-designed rickety, wooden piece of shit?
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I think Mr Woodhall knows a lot more than most, to be honest. IMO.
He certainly knows what people want to hear.
It is just a pity his Villa history suffers from selective memory syndrome.
That's rich coming from someone who uses having floodlights first as a reason why Spurs are bigger than us.
That's rich coming from someone who pretends that being slow to introduce such an important innovation, is not a sign of a complacent backward-looking club.
Not in the slightest. Anyone who has an iota of knowledge as regards the history of Aston Villa FC would agree that the club's board during that period were out of date. Anyone who would use this fact as evidence that we are now envious of them or indeed that it is of any relevance whatsoever almost sixty years later is, to put it mildly, out with the fairies.
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And we had AV floodlights, and sometimes all the bulbs worked.
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I think Mr Woodhall knows a lot more than most, to be honest. IMO.
He certainly knows what people want to hear.
It is just a pity his Villa history suffers from selective memory syndrome.
That's rich coming from someone who uses having floodlights first as a reason why Spurs are bigger than us.
That's rich coming from someone who pretends that being slow to introduce such an important innovation, is not a sign of a complacent backward-looking club.
Not in the slightest. Anyone who has an iota of knowledge as regards the history of Aston Villa FC would agree that the club's board during that period were out of date. Anyone who would use this fact as evidence that we are now envious of them or indeed that it is of any relevance whatsoever almost sixty years later is, to put it mildly, out with the fairies.
No, no, Dave.
You scanned my litany of Villa failure and mismanagement and you looked for an opportunity to deny it with a quibble.
You ignored the general argument that Villa were being mismanaged and were in decline while Spurs were on the rise and played to the gallery of those who are desperate to deny the same.
You have clung to that quibble relentlessly for the same reason and now insist that I said something you know I did not.
You insulted me.
You made no attempt to correct any historical fact I had offered to support my argument.
Villa did all of those things and the fact that three times; in the 1960s, the 1980s and the 2000s, the fans campaigned against the Villa board suggests that the fans were far from happy with the way the club was managed.
In fact it is probable that you yourself appeared in public and offered quotes to the media to substantiate the claim that Villa have been badly managed.
So it seems rather disingenuous of you to attempt to deny it now.
There might be mitigating circumstances in terms of the economic disadvantages of being a Midlands club rather than a London club but relying on personal insult and pathetic quibbles does not stand up as a worthy argument.
If from your lofty tower of Villa omniscience you just don't think H&V members are worth the exertion required to contrive a cogent rebuttal, just say so.
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If from your lofty tower of Villa omniscience you just don't think H&V members are worth the exertion required to contrive a cogent rebuttal, just say so.
That's more than a little puerile.
You're not very good at having people disagree with you, are you?
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Is there any need for a cogent rebuttal?
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Remember the Good Old Days on telly when Leonard Sachs, the MC, used to come out with big words to describe the next act and the audience used to all go "wooo" at his posh descriptions.
That's what I do when I read Villdroid's posts.
Love em
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Remember the Good Old Days on telly when Leonard Sachs, the MC, used to come out with big words to describe the next act and the audience used to all go "wooo" at his posh descriptions.
That's what I do when I read Villdroid's posts.
Love em
Me too, im sure droid has many times been down at the old bull and bush!
I imagine him sitting at his keyboard with dickie bow and top hat.
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If from your lofty tower of Villa omniscience you just don't think H&V members are worth the exertion required to contrive a cogent rebuttal, just say so.
That's more than a little puerile.
You're not very good at having people disagree with you, are you?
So Dave telling me I'm talking shite and off with the fairies is mature considered comment but accusing him of not taking the argument seriously, is childish?
Sounds like a double-standard to me.
Are you Dave's best friend?
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Am I missing something? Havent Spurs been mainly mod-table shite for 15 out of the past twenty years?
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I'd come up with a response if I had the faintest idea what you were on about.
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So Dave telling me I'm talking shite and off with the fairies is mature considered comment but accusing him of not taking the argument seriously, is childish?
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Are you Dave's best friend?
No, I am not Dave's best friend. I do, however, think it's a bit much to be having a pop at someone for not thinking the rest of us are worthy of debate when we raise our opinions, consdering that for 20 plus years he's spent most of his working life publishing a magazine which was born purely to enable us plebs to do precisely that.
I have noticed, however, two things about your posts. One is the absolute inability to debate anything without losing your rag pretty quickly, and the other is the extent you go to to patronise people whilst doing your best to appear clever yourself, so it was more than a little bit amusing to hear you talk about "lofty towers".
99.9% of people on here argue the toss with each other day after day after day and never feel the need to spout anything like the kind of ego-driven nonsense you do.
It's as if you've gone out of your way to get as noticed as you can, as quickly as you can.
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I'd come up with a response if I had the faintest idea what you were on about.
Well that's not very cogent!!
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Am I missing something? Havent Spurs been mainly mod-table shite for 15 out of the past twenty years?
I know that until last year at least we'd had more top six finishes than they had.
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Am I missing something? Havent Spurs been mainly mod-table shite for 15 out of the past twenty years?
It's the bitterest pill they've had to swallow.
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Am I missing something? Havent Spurs been mainly mod-table shite for 15 out of the past twenty years?
I know that until last year at least we'd had more top six finishes than they had.
In the last 20 years (Premier League era) we've finished above Spurs 12 times. Not bad considering they are so much better run than we are.
And all of their top 6 (5) finishes in that time have come in the last 6 years.
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They banned smoking before us as well, but probably only because that stand is still a rickety, wooden piece of shit.
That would be the Archibald Leitch-designed rickety, wooden piece of shit?
The one behind the goal? He must have done it as a foreigner.
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For the first 13 (approx) seasons of the Premier League Spurs didn't finish in either the top nor bottom six (or possibly five). They were, essentially, Fulham with a League Cup win.
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Yeah, but look at their wage bill............
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So Dave telling me I'm talking shite and off with the fairies is mature considered comment but accusing him of not taking the argument seriously, is childish?
Seconds later:
Are you Dave's best friend?
No, I am not Dave's best friend. I do, however, think it's a bit much to be having a pop at someone for not thinking the rest of us are worthy of debate when we raise our opinions, consdering that for 20 plus years he's spent most of his working life publishing a magazine which was born purely to enable us plebs to do precisely that.
I have noticed, however, two things about your posts. One is the absolute inability to debate anything without losing your rag pretty quickly, and the other is the extent you go to to patronise people whilst doing your best to appear clever yourself, so it was more than a little bit amusing to hear you talk about "lofty towers".
99.9% of people on here argue the toss with each other day after day after day and never feel the need to spout anything like the kind of ego-driven nonsense you do.
It's as if you've gone out of your way to get as noticed as you can, as quickly as you can.
He reminds me of my missus, in that he chooses a thousand words when one will do.
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Yeah, but look at their wage bill............
Indeed. I've heard they've managed it much better than Villa.
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Yeah, but look at their wage bill............
Indeed. I've heard they've managed it much better than Villa.
Well, if Gary Neville or was it Alan Smith are to be believed then to really have a chance of a title they will need to look at their wage bill. That's just to keep Galen for starters.
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So Dave telling me I'm talking shite and off with the fairies is mature considered comment but accusing him of not taking the argument seriously, is childish?
Seconds later:
Are you Dave's best friend?
No, I am not Dave's best friend. I do, however, think it's a bit much to be having a pop at someone for not thinking the rest of us are worthy of debate when we raise our opinions, consdering that for 20 plus years he's spent most of his working life publishing a magazine which was born purely to enable us plebs to do precisely that.
I have noticed, however, two things about your posts. One is the absolute inability to debate anything without losing your rag pretty quickly, and the other is the extent you go to to patronise people whilst doing your best to appear clever yourself, so it was more than a little bit amusing to hear you talk about "lofty towers".
99.9% of people on here argue the toss with each other day after day after day and never feel the need to spout anything like the kind of ego-driven nonsense you do.
It's as if you've gone out of your way to get as noticed as you can, as quickly as you can.
As far as I am concerned I was merely explaining why a Villa fan might hate Spurs.
If the same question had been asked about Man United, Liverpool or Real Madrid, I would have answered entirely differently.
Spurs were, before Villa's latest down-sizing, on the next financial tier to Villa - near peers always excite resentment.
I merely offered up a history of Villa's mismanagement since the war, which I thought explained much of that difference.
I offered up various mistakes they had made and someone accused me of blaming it all on the presence or absence of floodlights.
I naturally thought this was someone being perverse for clinging to such a rebuttal and was taking the piss.
If I am told Dave cannot be expected to reach any other conclusion, I suppose I have to accept that.
I was not meaning to be offensive because I assume Villa fans are all too familiar with their (sic) clubs history.
It seems not.
And, if it has been so great, what were all those protests about?
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Why have you put (sic) in your post Villadroid? One for the English pedant's thread I think.
On topic...and surely this floodlight stuff leads us to believe that Sheff U are the biggest club of all?
and I'm not buying this near peers stuff. I tried to enter it into the debate a couple of times but was spectacularly ignored.
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Dont take things too much to heart villadroid-your posts are different and i find your use of unusual vocabulary quite entertaining but your views are not that extreme- the vast majority on here are decent people and the differing opinions and banter are healthy.
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Why have you put (sic) in your post Villadroid? One for the English pedant's thread I think.
They would have pointed out the missing apostrophe.
Only greengrocers can get away with that. ;)
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There's a missing apostrophe in 'their'?
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Why have you put (sic) in your post Villadroid? One for the English pedant's thread I think.
They would have pointed out the missing apostrophe.
Only greengrocers can get away with that. ;)
Only when quoting you verbatim, surely? I'm assuming you used it in regards to "...their club"?
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Bearing in mind Spurs have won bugger all for so long, they get an easier ride off the London Press than most.
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There's a missing apostrophe in 'their'?
I'm glad one isn't missing from my username.
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There's a missing apostrophe in 'their'?
I'm glad one isn't missing from my username.
S'hin?
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There's a missing apostrophe in 'their'?
I'm glad one isn't missing from my username.
S'hin?
Wrong Pe'ter
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There's a missing apostrophe in 'their'?
No, from "clubs".
The (sic) is to qualify the claim that Villa belongs to the fans.
Doesn't feel like it these days.
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Still a mis-use of 'sic' though. However, you used it.
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There's a missing apostrophe in 'their'?
An apostrophe missing, if you wouldn't mind, thank-you very much.
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Why do hate spurs, Frankly that easy Rednapp!
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Lee's a teacher y'know.
*shakes his head at the dumbing down of teachers*
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The near peers one was ignored because people have hated Spurs for a lot longer than they have been decent.
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Lee's a teacher y'know.
*shakes his head at the dumbing down of teachers*
*nods in agreement*
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It always annoyed me that they could attract big names like Ardilles, Lineker, Gazza, Klinnsman and we couldn't.
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Lee's a teacher y'know.
*shakes his head at the dumbing down of teachers*
*nods in agreement*
*sticks fingers up*
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The near peers one was ignored because people have hated Spurs for a lot longer than they have been decent.
If Botticelli had painted a picture called The Re-birth of Villa, Spurs would definitely have been included.
Villa floating up like Venus on a sea of League Cup tears, with an angelic Chico flying down the wing.
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Why do I hate Spurs?
Steve Perryman
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Everton hate us, we hate Tottenham, Tottenham hate us...are we the Man U of our triumvirate?
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Having ignored this thread all day out of respect for the spurs I work alongside, I quite upset that I've just sat through 7 pages of nonsense about mismanagement, floodlights and various other shit.
Personally I don't like them because of the 'the year ends in a 1 so the cup is ours' bollocks they come out with every decade. I wouldn't even let that get to me if it wasn't for the fact that the media like to act as if someone knocking them out in those years (I'm 33, there have been 3 years like that and they've won fuck all in any of them) is some kind of affront to the gods of football.
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Lee's a teacher y'know.
*shakes his head at the dumbing down of teachers*
*nods in agreement*
*sticks fingers up*
Don't you mean sticks' finger's up?
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Lee's a teacher y'know.
*shakes his head at the dumbing down of teachers*
*nods in agreement*
*sticks fingers up*
Don't you mean sticks' finger's up?
I think it should be *shakes his head at the dumbing down of teachers*, *nods in agreement* and, *sticks' finger's up* [sic]. But that would prompt discussion about inappropriate use of the Oxford comma
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Lee's a teacher y'know.
*shakes his head at the dumbing down of teachers*
*nods in agreement*
*sticks fingers up*
Don't you mean sticks' finger's up?
I think it should be *shakes his head at the dumbing down of teachers*, *nods in agreement* and, *sticks' finger's up* [sic]. But that would prompt discussion about inappropriate use of the Oxford comma
Focus, people.
They've got a cock on their shirt. And it's tiny.
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Focus, people.
They've got a cock on their shirt. And it's tiny.
That gave me a good laugh. Q.E. fucking D.
Anyway, I'm off to follow a real progressive club. Rochdale it is.
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I am worried that Villadroid is trying to steal my patronising, thin-skinned smart-arse gig.
Get your own act, you cheap fucking rip-off
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Fair point. Well made.
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And, if it has been so great, what were all those protests about?
Apart from one or two notable exceptions they were mainly about a few malcontents and internet nerds trying to make themselves look important. Why?