Gary Shaw - RIP

[jon collett]

The announcer just needed a better tone and to state ladies and gentleman please can I have your attention.

As it was he just kept speaking in the same tone and I doubt most could hear he was announcing a minutes silence ok the referee’s whistle!

[dalians umbrella]

There were announcements made twice that it would be a minute's silence and not applause but these were made when there was hardly anyone in the ground and no later announcements were made when they needed to be.

But even when there is a minute's clapping and not silence, people start clapping over the eulogy, ruining it.
 I know many people on here weren't fans of Doug, but that's what happened with his eulogy too, making a mockery of it.

Yesterday, people clapped over the eulogy and over the scheduled silence, ruining it from my perspective.

I always like to look at the intention behind an action rather than the action itself and people meant well and didn't intentionally mean to spoil anything and that is what I keep reminding myself, but it still seems like every pre-match tribute at the Villa becomes a travesty aside from Rememberance Day.

(I'm also not sure that supporters of other teams appreciate renditions of HEITS during their pre-match rememberances at away grounds and to them it appears disrespectful).

At least the later round of applause and Gary Shaw chants felt like they made up for it.

[dalians umbrella]

The announcer just needed a better tone and to state ladies and gentleman please can I have your attention.

As it was he just kept speaking in the same tone and I doubt most could hear he was announcing a minutes silence ok the referee’s whistle!

That's also because people start clapping before the announcer has actually had a chance to get more than a few words out,

[jon collett]

The announcer just needed a better tone and to state ladies and gentleman please can I have your attention.

As it was he just kept speaking in the same tone and I doubt most could hear he was announcing a minutes silence ok the referee’s whistle!

That's also because people start clapping before the announcer has actually had a chance to get more than a few words out,

I get that but that’s where it’s his job to set the tone and step in.

Better signage would have helped too.

And the pre match build up frenzy doesn’t help at all!

[dalians umbrella]

I agree with all the points you make. It would’ve also been possible to step in and stop the applause and still have the silence

[Flamingo Lane]

There were announcements made twice that it would be a minute's silence and not applause but these were made when there was hardly anyone in the ground and no later announcements were made when they needed to be.

But even when there is a minute's clapping and not silence, people start clapping over the eulogy, ruining it.
 I know many people on here weren't fans of Doug, but that's what happened with his eulogy too, making a mockery of it.

Yesterday, people clapped over the eulogy and over the scheduled silence, ruining it from my perspective.

I always like to look at the intention behind an action rather than the action itself and people meant well and didn't intentionally mean to spoil anything and that is what I keep reminding myself, but it still seems like every pre-match tribute at the Villa becomes a travesty aside from Rememberance Day.

(I'm also not sure that supporters of other teams appreciate renditions of HEITS during their pre-match rememberances at away grounds and to them it appears disrespectful).

At least the later round of applause and Gary Shaw chants felt like they made up for it.

I agree with all of that, and especially the mention of our supporters singing HEITS during or after the remembrances of other teams, which I think is totally out of place, and a pretty awful thing to be doing, really.

[eamonn]

His sister and I believe, other members of his family were there yesterday.

If they requested silence rather than applause and we fcuked it up, it's embarassing at best and insensitive at worst.

[Mister E]

It was just handled really badly.
If it had been done more solemnly there would have been quiet as there is in remembrance weekend.
If the ref had blown his whistle as announced I think the crowd would have quietened.

I don't agree. The announcements in the ground are rubbish, both generally and as they applied to the situation yesterday - as CD says, no one knew what the family requests were. The applause was spontaneous outpourings of appreciation for the lad.
It would have helped if the club had made it abundantly clear, before the game, what they intended to do and what the family's requests were.

[Mister E]

A silence wasn't possible, as explained, not sure why you keep ignoring it but I can't be arsed to say it any more.

As pointed out, it’s observed during remembrance.
Why can’t you recognise the fact it’s also what the family wanted ?

Remembrance is signalled way in advance - it's the date nearest the 11th November - and they have a bugler to notify the start of the silence.
What the family wanted was not made clear! Was there a eulogy? - I've just learned that here, 2 minutes' ago.

[dalians umbrella]

A silence wasn't possible, as explained, not sure why you keep ignoring it but I can't be arsed to say it any more.

As pointed out, it’s observed during remembrance.
Why can’t you recognise the fact it’s also what the family wanted ?

Remembrance is signalled way in advance - it's the date nearest the 11th November - and they have a bugler to notify the start of the silence.
What the family wanted was not made clear! Was there a eulogy? - I've just learned that here, 2 minutes' ago.

I’m using that term for the speech given listing Gary’s achievements which was clapped over.

[Mister E]

A silence wasn't possible, as explained, not sure why you keep ignoring it but I can't be arsed to say it any more.

As pointed out, it’s observed during remembrance.
Why can’t you recognise the fact it’s also what the family wanted ?

Remembrance is signalled way in advance - it's the date nearest the 11th November - and they have a bugler to notify the start of the silence.
What the family wanted was not made clear! Was there a eulogy? - I've just learned that here, 2 minutes' ago.

I’m using that term for the speech given listing Gary’s achievements which was clapped over.

Okay.
In the Upper Holte, almost all the announcements by the PA system are unintelligible. It was entirely unclear what was really going on, other than that the players were around the centre circle and people were applauding ...

[dalians umbrella]

A silence wasn't possible, as explained, not sure why you keep ignoring it but I can't be arsed to say it any more.

As pointed out, it’s observed during remembrance.
Why can’t you recognise the fact it’s also what the family wanted ?

Remembrance is signalled way in advance - it's the date nearest the 11th November - and they have a bugler to notify the start of the silence.
What the family wanted was not made clear! Was there a eulogy? - I've just learned that here, 2 minutes' ago.

I’m using that term for the speech given listing Gary’s achievements which was clapped over.

Okay.
In the Upper Holte, almost all the announcements by the PA system are intelligible. It was entirely unclear what was really going on, other than that the players were around the cntre circle and people were applauding ...

OK - that explains why the premature clapping always seems to originate from the Holte and why the Holte End at least carried on clapping yesterday while the announcer said that "a minute's silence will now begin on the referee's whistle".

[Mister E]

A silence wasn't possible, as explained, not sure why you keep ignoring it but I can't be arsed to say it any more.

As pointed out, it’s observed during remembrance.
Why can’t you recognise the fact it’s also what the family wanted ?

Remembrance is signalled way in advance - it's the date nearest the 11th November - and they have a bugler to notify the start of the silence.
What the family wanted was not made clear! Was there a eulogy? - I've just learned that here, 2 minutes' ago.

I’m using that term for the speech given listing Gary’s achievements which was clapped over.

Okay.
In the Upper Holte, almost all the announcements by the PA system are unintelligible. It was entirely unclear what was really going on, other than that the players were around the centre circle and people were applauding ...

OK - that explains why the premature clapping always seems to originate from the Holte and why the Holte End at least carried on clapping yesterday while the announcer said that "a minute's silence will now begin on the referee's whistle".

Yeah. The club didn't clearly publicise their plans in various media before the game ... they could have encouraged people to enter the ground well before k-o, for example.

[jon collett]

A silence wasn't possible, as explained, not sure why you keep ignoring it but I can't be arsed to say it any more.

As pointed out, it’s observed during remembrance.
Why can’t you recognise the fact it’s also what the family wanted ?

Remembrance is signalled way in advance - it's the date nearest the 11th November - and they have a bugler to notify the start of the silence.
What the family wanted was not made clear! Was there a eulogy? - I've just learned that here, 2 minutes' ago.

I’m using that term for the speech given listing Gary’s achievements which was clapped over.

Okay.
In the Upper Holte, almost all the announcements by the PA system are unintelligible. It was entirely unclear what was really going on, other than that the players were around the centre circle and people were applauding ...

This is why the Club needs to do better. It should have been much more dignified!

[Drummond]

The issue as I see it is that applause is the new way, people are in the groove and just go with it. I think it started with a George Best tribute, and is the new way of doing things. People like it because it's a positive way of celebrating a life.

Trying to stop people showing their appreciation in that way is really hard. Putting the message out, to everyone, that it's a minute's silence is really hard to do, and it only takes one person starting to clap before the whole ground does it.

Remembrance Day is a completely different tone, we're remembering millions of people who died in war and a round of applause just isn't ever going to be appropriate.