No away fans

[PeterWithesShin]

My point is we have no idea if that's the case or just what they are saying as it seems they have been uncooperative through most of this.

Well, we kind of do, because Villa referred to 1,000 odd with tickets but another thousand or so without.

It is the same distribution model our fans have experienced abroad - collecting tickets on day of match etc etc.

We gave them 1000 tickets, but one of the things that apparently happened is Legia gave no info about who they were sold to, so we don't know for sure they were sold. It's semantics really but them saying they did ABC is very different to them actually doing it judging by what's coming out.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

As we're relying on info from Legia it's hard to know if they actually sold the tickets, if so how many, who bought them etc.

In the run up to the match when they were complaining about the allocation reduction, they said they'd already sold a lot of tickets to people who had booked hotels etc etc.

Back in September when the draw and dates were confirmed, Legia would have expected 5% of capacity, i.e. approximately 2,000 tickets. Flights and hotels would have been booked. Then their fans misbehave and UEFA, Villa and WMP decide to reduce the number of tickets by 50%. Whilst I feel sorry for the fans, Legia should have financially compensated their fans and advised them not to travel. They did neither and thought they'd bluff us to letting in all their fans that turn up. They'd also see their unticketed fans storm the entrances at AZ so it was pretty predictable what may happen should we not lie down and fall for their bluff.

I feel sorry for those genuine fans that bought flights and booked hotels back in September but it's their club they should be angry with.

[dave.woodhall]

Bigger fools the ones who booked before knowing they'd get a ticket.

[Somniloquism]

Bigger fools the ones who booked before knowing they'd get a ticket.

Quite a few on here have done the same this year, however they just went and enjoyed themselves in a bar watching the game.

[Lucky Eddie]

My son was in the AZ Alkmar club shop and the guy behind the counter told them that the Legia 'fans' caused a load of trouble when they were there and are now effectively banned from the area.

Like we were then.

[Somniloquism]

Back in September when the draw and dates were confirmed, Legia would have expected 5% of capacity, i.e. approximately 2,000 tickets. Flights and hotels would have been booked. Then their fans misbehave and UEFA, Villa and WMP decide to reduce the number of tickets by 50%. Whilst I feel sorry for the fans, Legia should have financially compensated their fans and advised them not to travel. They did neither and thought they'd bluff us to letting in all their fans that turn up. They'd also see their unticketed fans storm the entrances at AZ so it was pretty predictable what may happen should we not lie down and fall for their bluff.

I feel sorry for those genuine fans that bought flights and booked hotels back in September but it's their club they should be angry with.

Although from our statements, they had a month to tell their fans this, it wasn't that sudden a decision. They didn't seem to until the 25th Nov when the first complaints from Legia appeared on SM. Obviously they might have been complaining to UEFA in the background but when they publicised it, all they did was blame us.

[lovejoy]

From my friend who is a Legia supporter/STH (didn't travel) on how its being reported over there. Note I am not agreeing with him I'm just saying there are different perspectives here:

The focus in Poland is on the cause of the problem, and the cause is that according to UEFA official regulations, AV was supposed to allocate 2100 tickets to Legia fans (5% of the stadium). Initially AV proposed I think 1200, which was against the regulations, but we somehow accepted that and both clubs agreed on 1700. But without any explanations AV changed the number to 890 at the very last minute. This happened after a lot of fans bought the plane tickets. So they got pissed off. So while yes, media do report the fact that they started riots and it's clear that our fans are to blame, there is an overall feeling of having been treated really unfairly, being in major part the explanation of what happened in Birmingham last night.

Trying to be objective I do know that our fans can be wild and they shouldn't have started clashing against  the police - it definitely won't help our cause i.e. other clubs will continue treating us as savages and - lawfully or unlawfully - they will do anything they can to limit our presence on away games. So in that context it was plain stupid. At the same time I would go ballistic if I organised my time and spend money on the plane ticket only to learn at the very last minute that some said "well, yeah, fuck off" 🤷🏻‍♂️😁. Especially that we gave you full allocation, there were I think around 2000 AV fans in Warsaw, all happened in peace, all enjoyed the trip (except for the result) so we were expecting basic reciprocity.

[lovejoy]

Bigger fools the ones who booked before knowing they'd get a ticket.

So wait until 4pm on the day of the game?

[Somniloquism]

Although the 2000 fans in Warsaw had to be kept in the ground for 2 hours to ensure a "peaceful" visit.

[Somniloquism]

Bigger fools the ones who booked before knowing they'd get a ticket.

So wait until 4pm on the day of the game?

4 pm on the day of the game was because Legia wouldn't even accept the tickets until then. They had a month to tell their fans of the reduced capacity and all their bleating in the media to their fans will easily be debunked in the UEFA investigation.

[Flamingo Lane]

Though I can kind of see why it's done, this regime whereby all of the away fans have to assemble at a single point to obtain their tickets, a few hours before the game, is not one I like.

[lovejoy]

This regime where if 50-100 of fans kick off the other 800 are lumped in with them and denied access having spent time and money travelling and having done nothing wrong is shameful treatment in my opinion. Clearly if every one of them rioted then that different but from the footage this doesn't seem to be the case, in fact some fans couldnt have as they got access to the home sections.

[tomd2103]

From my friend who is a Legia supporter/STH (didn't travel) on how its being reported over there. Note I am not agreeing with him I'm just saying there are different perspectives here:

The focus in Poland is on the cause of the problem, and the cause is that according to UEFA official regulations, AV was supposed to allocate 2100 tickets to Legia fans (5% of the stadium). Initially AV proposed I think 1200, which was against the regulations, but we somehow accepted that and both clubs agreed on 1700. But without any explanations AV changed the number to 890 at the very last minute. This happened after a lot of fans bought the plane tickets. So they got pissed off. So while yes, media do report the fact that they started riots and it's clear that our fans are to blame, there is an overall feeling of having been treated really unfairly, being in major part the explanation of what happened in Birmingham last night.

Trying to be objective I do know that our fans can be wild and they shouldn't have started clashing against  the police - it definitely won't help our cause i.e. other clubs will continue treating us as savages and - lawfully or unlawfully - they will do anything they can to limit our presence on away games. So in that context it was plain stupid. At the same time I would go ballistic if I organised my time and spend money on the plane ticket only to learn at the very last minute that some said "well, yeah, fuck off" 🤷🏻‍♂️😁. Especially that we gave you full allocation, there were I think around 2000 AV fans in Warsaw, all happened in peace, all enjoyed the trip (except for the result) so we were expecting basic reciprocity.

The friend is talking out of his / her hole.  The Assistant Chief Constable of WMP confirmed on national radio today that Legia Warsaw were informed that they were to have an allocation of 1000 tickets on November 2nd.  They then refused to distribute the tickets to their fans when given the opportunity to do so. 

He / she needs to.be pissed off at the clowns at their own club who caused this.  This is all on them.

[dave.woodhall]

This regime where if 50-100 of fans kick off the other 800 are lumped in with them and denied access having spent time and money travelling and having done nothing wrong is shameful treatment in my opinion. Clearly if every one of them rioted then that different but from the footage this doesn't seem to be the case, in fact some fans couldnt have as they got access to the home sections.

The ultras said no-one was going in.

[wince]

Talk sport this morning were bemoaning the fact that they had come all that way for nuthin - completely missing the fact that most of them live in Erdington. I jumped on a bus from town six oclock-ish, half way through Newtown about twenty "military-age males" as the phrase goes, jumped on, no colours apart from one who had a scarf, none of them paid and nearly all had bottles of Vodka in their hands. To be fair, they were no bother - thankfully - because i was stood right in the middle of them in a Villa scarf. Their hierachy covered themselves in glory by refusing point-blank to condemn the fucking idiots that did the damage - which was most of them from what i've heard. Also hearing the Witton Arms got smashed to fuck as well.
Do us a favour Piotr - stick to plumbing....

Ah yes the Polish, they’re all plumbers, car washers and Spitfire pilots.
Cut the racial stereotypes can we please. Thanks.

Good pilots by all accounts and showed our lot up in The Battle of Britain

Not sure they showed our lot up but they were without doubt skilled & brave pilots along with the 1st Independent Parachute Brigade at Operation Market Garden who also fought with skill and bravery and took heavy losses.

They went in all guns blazing, which upset the British high command old chap, read the autobiography of the Polish general in charge and apportion blame on him for one of the failures of the mission,think he was exconerated about the seventies or eighties

of which none were present last night.