Quote from: PeterWithesShin on December 01, 2023, 04:38:36 PMMy point is we have no idea if that's the case or just what they are saying as it seems they have been uncooperative through most of this. Well, we kind of do, because Villa referred to 1,000 odd with tickets but another thousand or so without. It is the same distribution model our fans have experienced abroad - collecting tickets on day of match etc etc.
My point is we have no idea if that's the case or just what they are saying as it seems they have been uncooperative through most of this.
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on December 01, 2023, 04:33:54 PMAs we're relying on info from Legia it's hard to know if they actually sold the tickets, if so how many, who bought them etc. In the run up to the match when they were complaining about the allocation reduction, they said they'd already sold a lot of tickets to people who had booked hotels etc etc.
As we're relying on info from Legia it's hard to know if they actually sold the tickets, if so how many, who bought them etc.
Bigger fools the ones who booked before knowing they'd get a ticket.
My son was in the AZ Alkmar club shop and the guy behind the counter told them that the Legia 'fans' caused a load of trouble when they were there and are now effectively banned from the area.
Back in September when the draw and dates were confirmed, Legia would have expected 5% of capacity, i.e. approximately 2,000 tickets. Flights and hotels would have been booked. Then their fans misbehave and UEFA, Villa and WMP decide to reduce the number of tickets by 50%. Whilst I feel sorry for the fans, Legia should have financially compensated their fans and advised them not to travel. They did neither and thought they'd bluff us to letting in all their fans that turn up. They'd also see their unticketed fans storm the entrances at AZ so it was pretty predictable what may happen should we not lie down and fall for their bluff.I feel sorry for those genuine fans that bought flights and booked hotels back in September but it's their club they should be angry with.
Quote from: dave.woodhall on December 01, 2023, 05:00:19 PMBigger fools the ones who booked before knowing they'd get a ticket.So wait until 4pm on the day of the game?
From my friend who is a Legia supporter/STH (didn't travel) on how its being reported over there. Note I am not agreeing with him I'm just saying there are different perspectives here:The focus in Poland is on the cause of the problem, and the cause is that according to UEFA official regulations, AV was supposed to allocate 2100 tickets to Legia fans (5% of the stadium). Initially AV proposed I think 1200, which was against the regulations, but we somehow accepted that and both clubs agreed on 1700. But without any explanations AV changed the number to 890 at the very last minute. This happened after a lot of fans bought the plane tickets. So they got pissed off. So while yes, media do report the fact that they started riots and it's clear that our fans are to blame, there is an overall feeling of having been treated really unfairly, being in major part the explanation of what happened in Birmingham last night.Trying to be objective I do know that our fans can be wild and they shouldn't have started clashing against the police - it definitely won't help our cause i.e. other clubs will continue treating us as savages and - lawfully or unlawfully - they will do anything they can to limit our presence on away games. So in that context it was plain stupid. At the same time I would go ballistic if I organised my time and spend money on the plane ticket only to learn at the very last minute that some said "well, yeah, fuck off" 🤷🏻♂️😁. Especially that we gave you full allocation, there were I think around 2000 AV fans in Warsaw, all happened in peace, all enjoyed the trip (except for the result) so we were expecting basic reciprocity.
This regime where if 50-100 of fans kick off the other 800 are lumped in with them and denied access having spent time and money travelling and having done nothing wrong is shameful treatment in my opinion. Clearly if every one of them rioted then that different but from the footage this doesn't seem to be the case, in fact some fans couldnt have as they got access to the home sections.
Quote from: Jon Crofts on December 01, 2023, 02:27:01 PMQuote from: astonvilla82 on December 01, 2023, 02:14:04 PMQuote from: Jon Crofts on December 01, 2023, 02:02:20 PMQuote from: martin o`who?? on December 01, 2023, 01:48:55 PMTalk sport this morning were bemoaning the fact that they had come all that way for nuthin - completely missing the fact that most of them live in Erdington. I jumped on a bus from town six oclock-ish, half way through Newtown about twenty "military-age males" as the phrase goes, jumped on, no colours apart from one who had a scarf, none of them paid and nearly all had bottles of Vodka in their hands. To be fair, they were no bother - thankfully - because i was stood right in the middle of them in a Villa scarf. Their hierachy covered themselves in glory by refusing point-blank to condemn the fucking idiots that did the damage - which was most of them from what i've heard. Also hearing the Witton Arms got smashed to fuck as well.Do us a favour Piotr - stick to plumbing....Ah yes the Polish, they’re all plumbers, car washers and Spitfire pilots. Cut the racial stereotypes can we please. Thanks. Good pilots by all accounts and showed our lot up in The Battle of Britain Not sure they showed our lot up but they were without doubt skilled & brave pilots along with the 1st Independent Parachute Brigade at Operation Market Garden who also fought with skill and bravery and took heavy losses. They went in all guns blazing, which upset the British high command old chap, read the autobiography of the Polish general in charge and apportion blame on him for one of the failures of the mission,think he was exconerated about the seventies or eighties
Quote from: astonvilla82 on December 01, 2023, 02:14:04 PMQuote from: Jon Crofts on December 01, 2023, 02:02:20 PMQuote from: martin o`who?? on December 01, 2023, 01:48:55 PMTalk sport this morning were bemoaning the fact that they had come all that way for nuthin - completely missing the fact that most of them live in Erdington. I jumped on a bus from town six oclock-ish, half way through Newtown about twenty "military-age males" as the phrase goes, jumped on, no colours apart from one who had a scarf, none of them paid and nearly all had bottles of Vodka in their hands. To be fair, they were no bother - thankfully - because i was stood right in the middle of them in a Villa scarf. Their hierachy covered themselves in glory by refusing point-blank to condemn the fucking idiots that did the damage - which was most of them from what i've heard. Also hearing the Witton Arms got smashed to fuck as well.Do us a favour Piotr - stick to plumbing....Ah yes the Polish, they’re all plumbers, car washers and Spitfire pilots. Cut the racial stereotypes can we please. Thanks. Good pilots by all accounts and showed our lot up in The Battle of Britain Not sure they showed our lot up but they were without doubt skilled & brave pilots along with the 1st Independent Parachute Brigade at Operation Market Garden who also fought with skill and bravery and took heavy losses.
Quote from: Jon Crofts on December 01, 2023, 02:02:20 PMQuote from: martin o`who?? on December 01, 2023, 01:48:55 PMTalk sport this morning were bemoaning the fact that they had come all that way for nuthin - completely missing the fact that most of them live in Erdington. I jumped on a bus from town six oclock-ish, half way through Newtown about twenty "military-age males" as the phrase goes, jumped on, no colours apart from one who had a scarf, none of them paid and nearly all had bottles of Vodka in their hands. To be fair, they were no bother - thankfully - because i was stood right in the middle of them in a Villa scarf. Their hierachy covered themselves in glory by refusing point-blank to condemn the fucking idiots that did the damage - which was most of them from what i've heard. Also hearing the Witton Arms got smashed to fuck as well.Do us a favour Piotr - stick to plumbing....Ah yes the Polish, they’re all plumbers, car washers and Spitfire pilots. Cut the racial stereotypes can we please. Thanks. Good pilots by all accounts and showed our lot up in The Battle of Britain
Quote from: martin o`who?? on December 01, 2023, 01:48:55 PMTalk sport this morning were bemoaning the fact that they had come all that way for nuthin - completely missing the fact that most of them live in Erdington. I jumped on a bus from town six oclock-ish, half way through Newtown about twenty "military-age males" as the phrase goes, jumped on, no colours apart from one who had a scarf, none of them paid and nearly all had bottles of Vodka in their hands. To be fair, they were no bother - thankfully - because i was stood right in the middle of them in a Villa scarf. Their hierachy covered themselves in glory by refusing point-blank to condemn the fucking idiots that did the damage - which was most of them from what i've heard. Also hearing the Witton Arms got smashed to fuck as well.Do us a favour Piotr - stick to plumbing....Ah yes the Polish, they’re all plumbers, car washers and Spitfire pilots. Cut the racial stereotypes can we please. Thanks.
Talk sport this morning were bemoaning the fact that they had come all that way for nuthin - completely missing the fact that most of them live in Erdington. I jumped on a bus from town six oclock-ish, half way through Newtown about twenty "military-age males" as the phrase goes, jumped on, no colours apart from one who had a scarf, none of them paid and nearly all had bottles of Vodka in their hands. To be fair, they were no bother - thankfully - because i was stood right in the middle of them in a Villa scarf. Their hierachy covered themselves in glory by refusing point-blank to condemn the fucking idiots that did the damage - which was most of them from what i've heard. Also hearing the Witton Arms got smashed to fuck as well.Do us a favour Piotr - stick to plumbing....