Pau Torres

[eye digress]

I should say that I too have a soft spot for Big Man Eat Ball, and that actually Mings is as underrated with the ball at his feet as (I think) Torres is without it.

Funny, was thinking something similar.

I’ve sensed that Mings tries to replicate Torres’ passing patterns, particularly the long low ball to the inside forwards (where Mings’ entire footballing education would normally have him curling the ball up the touchline).

[Concrete Tom]

I should say that I too have a soft spot for Big Man Eat Ball, and that actually Mings is as underrated with the ball at his feet as (I think) Torres is without it. And I'm totally content to have him back to try and deal with Mateta, for instance.

I just think people focusing on the moment of the goal, missing the cross or whatever, are missing the point that they hardly made any chances at all despite our timidity and misjudged approach (we actually beat them on xG, for whatever that's worth), and a lot of that is obviously down to Torres defending well - and the point that it was the overall approach, inviting them on far too much and getting our pressing strategy wrong overall, that cost us in the end.

We beat them on xG due to the penalty. Their non penalty xG was higher than ours.

[Monty]

I should say that I too have a soft spot for Big Man Eat Ball, and that actually Mings is as underrated with the ball at his feet as (I think) Torres is without it. And I'm totally content to have him back to try and deal with Mateta, for instance.

I just think people focusing on the moment of the goal, missing the cross or whatever, are missing the point that they hardly made any chances at all despite our timidity and misjudged approach (we actually beat them on xG, for whatever that's worth), and a lot of that is obviously down to Torres defending well - and the point that it was the overall approach, inviting them on far too much and getting our pressing strategy wrong overall, that cost us in the end.

We beat them on xG due to the penalty. Their non penalty xG was higher than ours.

Ah makes sense. Still, a penalty's a chance we made no? Plus it was a legit one, ran at them until they got in a muddle and tripped someone up. Wasn't like Mings picking the ball up.

[Somniloquism]

I should say that I too have a soft spot for Big Man Eat Ball, and that actually Mings is as underrated with the ball at his feet as (I think) Torres is without it. And I'm totally content to have him back to try and deal with Mateta, for instance.

I just think people focusing on the moment of the goal, missing the cross or whatever, are missing the point that they hardly made any chances at all despite our timidity and misjudged approach (we actually beat them on xG, for whatever that's worth), and a lot of that is obviously down to Torres defending well - and the point that it was the overall approach, inviting them on far too much and getting our pressing strategy wrong overall, that cost us in the end.

We beat them on xG due to the penalty. Their non penalty xG was higher than ours.

Although their goal meant they beat us on "touches in the opposition box" by one touch. So whist the xG is widely swayed with the Pen, the other stat showed that we were stopping them from creating much in the box and most of their attacks was long distance stuff.

[VillaTim]

Another really weak display to add to a growing collection. The penny will surely be dropping with Emery now , or will we see more stubbornness from him . He really isn't good enough to play in our backline in the Prem or big games like today .

[AGRIPPA]

I should say that I too have a soft spot for Big Man Eat Ball, and that actually Mings is as underrated with the ball at his feet as (I think) Torres is without it. And I'm totally content to have him back to try and deal with Mateta, for instance.

I just think people focusing on the moment of the goal, missing the cross or whatever, are missing the point that they hardly made any chances at all despite our timidity and misjudged approach (we actually beat them on xG, for whatever that's worth), and a lot of that is obviously down to Torres defending well - and the point that it was the overall approach, inviting them on far too much and getting our pressing strategy wrong overall, that cost us in the end.

We beat them on xG due to the penalty. Their non penalty xG was higher than ours.

Wtf is XG??

[LeonW]

Needs to learn to defend. Or put him in midfield. Or sell.

[Woody17]

Needs to learn to defend. Or put him in midfield. Or sell.

With the speed and turning circle of a North Sea ferry he ain’t going anywhere near our midfield.

[Steve67]

Needs to learn to defend. Or put him in midfield. Or sell.

With the speed and turning circle of a North Sea ferry he ain’t going anywhere near our midfield.

If I had my way, he wouldn't be any where near to our defence either. 

[PaulWinch again]

Another really weak display to add to a growing collection. The penny will surely be dropping with Emery now , or will we see more stubbornness from him . He really isn't good enough to play in our backline in the Prem or big games like today .

He’s not in form, but there is plenty of evidence he can play in big games and we win.

[Ads]

He was in a backing thay finished 4th. He hasn't played well this season mind, but Emi between the sticks has cost us far more results.

[RamboandBruno]

He also had a few months out with a broken foot, which I feel gets forgotten.

[Percy McCarthy]

He was in a backing thay finished 4th. He hasn't played well this season mind, but Emi between the sticks has cost us far more results.

But strangely*, not when Mings has played.

*not strangely.

[Ads]

Emi chucked one in against Newcastle. He's been shite this season.

[tomd2103]

If I'm honest, I would consider selling him in the summer.  We need to bring in a real quality, physical presence back there, as we have seen the difference that it made to Liverpool, Arsenal and even Forest when they did the same. 

I like Pau Torres, but he'd be the one I'd look to move on come the summer as he'd probably be worth the most.  I would look to sign Disasi, as I think he's been fine at CB, would keep Konsa and Mings and then look at bringing in a real quality addition.