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Offline OCD

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Re: The high line.
« Reply #120 on: November 25, 2023, 01:00:49 PM »
Son was probably offside 7 times in the home game last season alone.

Offline Footy-Vill

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Re: The high line.
« Reply #121 on: November 27, 2023, 12:03:49 PM »
The high line derby yesterday cemented us as the rightful kings!
5 - 2 on the offside.
 
Villa remains number one . 63 times catching players Offside
4.8 offsides per game (23 more than the next-best Spurs)
 
On average, it's nearly five times a game that the opponents are offside.
 
Further evidence of Emery's strategic genius.

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Re: The high line.
« Reply #122 on: November 27, 2023, 12:06:42 PM »
I suppose the "suicidal" high line is working but it doesn't make for easy viewing . I've always found watching Villa is stressful, this takes it to another level.  :)

Offline Footy-Vill

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Re: The high line.
« Reply #123 on: November 27, 2023, 12:07:11 PM »
No not that walk in New York.

Ours.  It’s going to get worked out right?  Especially with no pressure on the ball.  Sort of thing you can get away with as a one off?  So organised we can continue with it?
Looking back to see origins.
The original first post of thread above.
Though it was a great to start a thread for football discussion.
63 and counting.

We're on for around 170 offsides given over 36 matches.
« Last Edit: November 27, 2023, 12:08:48 PM by Footy-Vill »

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Re: The high line.
« Reply #124 on: November 27, 2023, 12:10:00 PM »
I suppose the "suicidal" high line is working but it doesn't make for easy viewing . I've always found watching Villa is stressful, this takes it to another level.  :)

If linesmen flagged immediately it would seem a lot less stressful, we're very good at doing it and 99% of the time there's clear daylight so I have no idea why they're waiting on putting up the flag. There was one yesterday where was Son was 3-4 yards offside and the flag didn't go up for ages.

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Re: The high line.
« Reply #125 on: November 27, 2023, 12:23:49 PM »
I suppose the "suicidal" high line is working but it doesn't make for easy viewing . I've always found watching Villa is stressful, this takes it to another level.  :)

If linesmen flagged immediately it would seem a lot less stressful, we're very good at doing it and 99% of the time there's clear daylight so I have no idea why they're waiting on putting up the flag. There was one yesterday where was Son was 3-4 yards offside and the flag didn't go up for ages.
Ok try seeing it like I do. That it's offside.
Fans, like the players, must adapt. You must believe in it. It must be comprehended. Emery is imparting football knowledge to both players and fans. Football, like life, evolves.
As so, he takes things to another level for many who have seen and understood football in a different way.

Even the phrase used above misrepresents the situation.
A player with that mindset of the term used is unlikely to be selected.

Ok it not 100% perfect but it's successfully working!
I can understand some folks being stressed because it's not what they're used to. But it is what it is now, so it is to be anticipated we'll succeed, and if people can accept it and gain confidence in Emery and the players, they will be able to take delight seeing the opponents offside.
And the opposition celebration falsely
It's a good laugh if you look at it that way as also have VAR to aid us in tighter decisions.

Like the players, fans must accept and change their mindset rather than worry. You're only stressed because you're perceiving it negatively rather than embracing the positive action intended

The players are following El Mastero's instructions and I for one  perfectly comfortable watching it in action.
It's our way of playing!
And it's going to bring us untold glory!




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Re: The high line.
« Reply #126 on: November 27, 2023, 12:24:50 PM »
I've seen us play so many people offside now that my default reaction is that it's offside. I can usually tell watching it live on TV too. I don't know why it takes VAR so long.

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Re: The high line.
« Reply #127 on: November 29, 2023, 10:08:36 AM »
With 160+ offsides for us this season we need VAR, as on field officials are not good enough to protect us.

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Re: The high line.
« Reply #128 on: November 29, 2023, 10:09:33 AM »
With 160+ offsides for us this season we need VAR, as on field officials are not good enough to protect us.

Good point, it's working well for us in defence this season.

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Re: The high line.
« Reply #129 on: November 29, 2023, 10:10:49 AM »
With 160+ offsides for us this season we need VAR, as on field officials are not good enough to protect us.

Absolutely.

I think in the media coverage of our offside trap they don’t really mention that this is a completely different tactic with VAR.

If it is sometimes scary with VAR imagine what it’d be like relying on a linesman 50 yards away.

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Re: The high line.
« Reply #130 on: November 29, 2023, 10:35:59 AM »
I don’t think you can talk about changing the high line defence in isolation. It is an integral part of the formation that allows for our fat transition and high press. To change one you would have to alter the way the whole team plays.

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Re: The high line.
« Reply #131 on: November 29, 2023, 10:40:13 AM »
I don’t think you can talk about changing the high line defence in isolation. It is an integral part of the formation that allows for our fat transition and high press. To change one you would have to alter the way the whole team plays.

In this context, I think you'd need to refer to our 'phat transition'.

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Re: The high line.
« Reply #132 on: November 29, 2023, 01:17:01 PM »
I don’t think you can talk about changing the high line defence in isolation. It is an integral part of the formation that allows for our fat transition and high press. To change one you would have to alter the way the whole team plays.

We don't really do a high press though, certainly not in the way people think when talking about that. We do what I'm going to call a shadow press in that we give them passing options but the only easy ones are in front of us, anything progressive, especially on the floor, is reduced to 50/50s or means the recipient will be under immense pressure as soon as he gets the ball. We're not trying to tackle them but rather trying to goad them into making mistakes.
« Last Edit: November 29, 2023, 01:25:48 PM by paul_e »

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Re: The high line.
« Reply #133 on: November 29, 2023, 01:22:36 PM »
I don’t think you can talk about changing the high line defence in isolation. It is an integral part of the formation that allows for our fat transition and high press. To change one you would have to alter the way the whole team plays.

SWe don't really do a high press though, certainly not in the way people think when talking about that. We do what I'm going to call a shadow press in that we give them passing options but the only easy ones are in front of us, anything progressive, especially on the floor, is reduced to 50/50s or means the recipient will be under immense pressure as soon as he gets the ball. We're not trying to tackle them but rather trying to goad them into making mistakes.
which seems to work at home, but not so much away.

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Re: The high line.
« Reply #134 on: November 29, 2023, 01:30:52 PM »
I don’t think you can talk about changing the high line defence in isolation. It is an integral part of the formation that allows for our fat transition and high press. To change one you would have to alter the way the whole team plays.

SWe don't really do a high press though, certainly not in the way people think when talking about that. We do what I'm going to call a shadow press in that we give them passing options but the only easy ones are in front of us, anything progressive, especially on the floor, is reduced to 50/50s or means the recipient will be under immense pressure as soon as he gets the ball. We're not trying to tackle them but rather trying to goad them into making mistakes.
which seems to work at home, but not so much away.

I'm not sure, the 3 games we've lost we've been caught cold and conceded the opener very early on (I'm not including Legia game where the problems were more around the team selection). Once teams have the lead they don't need to play those risky passes so we don't generate the same amount of chances to win the ball back and spring the counter-attack. I think those 3 games would've all gone very differently if they'd been 0-0 after 20minutes.

 


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