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Offline olaftab

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Re: The high line.
« Reply #105 on: November 07, 2023, 09:52:24 AM »
What the 'experts' fail to appreciate is that the high line is a major reason why we've been successful.
And we definitely need VAR to work properly as sometimes it's too good for on field officials.

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Re: The high line.
« Reply #106 on: November 07, 2023, 10:55:21 AM »
I left the telly on after the game last night and got to hear Carragher waxing lyrical about spurs' high line. Fair enough, he did manage to squeeze our name into a list of teams that also play one, but coming on the back of the release of that Luton photo it did amuse me that in order to demonstrate how well spurs played said line he used a bit of footage he could freeze at the moment various spurs players were in a line whilst actually moving past one another in different directions. It wasn't a line most of the time, more of an untaut ribbon, chelsea had more than enough pace out wide to give themselves a yard, and that they didn't score many more earlier on is testament to what an absolute shambles of an overpriced and poorly managed rabble chelsea are right now.

We do it better.

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Re: The high line.
« Reply #107 on: November 07, 2023, 11:19:18 AM »
I look at our results since we started using it - works for me.

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Re: The high line.
« Reply #108 on: November 13, 2023, 10:51:25 PM »
AVFC Statto posted.

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Aston Villa have caught their opponents offside 58 times in the Premier League this season, 20 more times than any other team in the competition.

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Re: The high line.
« Reply #109 on: November 24, 2023, 12:59:38 PM »
Aston Villa have the most effective offside trap in Europe – and it’s by design

The vignette of Aston Villa’s back four, heads tilted towards the assistant referee with one arm raised, is common.

Trapping opposition attackers offside has become Villa’s fisherman’s net. It catches plenty of victims and is critical to the team’s function under Unai Emery.

Since Emery took over, Villa have caught the opposition offside 163 times. For context, the next-highest figure is Liverpool with 93 offsides. Remarkably, that number includes a total of 58 already this season — the highest per-game average (4.8) of any team in Europe’s ‘big five’ leagues.

Going the other way, Villa have been offside themselves just 12 times this season, the second lowest behind Manchester City (seven). This can be attributed to the assortment of attackers who prefer the ball to feet and Emery’s in-possession framework.

What makes Villa’s defensive structure so distinctive, regardless of the frequency with which they provoke offsides, is that their metrics are not directly related to a high line. Instead, Emery deploys his defenders subtly. Their average offside height — essentially the distance from their own goal when the flag is raised — is 44.5 metres, which is the sixth-lowest in the Premier League.

But more pertinently, their average defensive line is the seventh lowest (39.2 metres) — this suggests that while Villa’s offside traps are more regular and successful than any other side, Emery’s team generally defend deeper. The crucial difference, though, is how adept they are in springing up to catch opponents offside.

Typically, letting runners go is against defensive convention. The hard and fast rule centres on “tracking your man”, unconcerned with the space left but rather the immediate danger of the attacker. However, under Emery, defenders have been drilled to either hold their positions or step up.

Although Villa do not necessarily defend high, they do time their offside traps very well. Here against Luton Town, Ezri Konsa has already stepped up to the halfway line, provoking an offside before the pass is even played.

The most fitting example came in the previous game when Fulham were driving towards Villa’s back line, with Carlos Vinicius making a run in behind. Konsa, who can see both the ball and the striker, halts his momentum. This causes Vinicius to run into an offside position.

Note the awkward body shape Konsa ends up in when checking his backpedalling.

The introduction of the VAR system has contributed to Emery adopting the scheme. Margins can be tight and offside calls can be difficult to judge at first glance. VARs, however, have weighted marginal offsides in the defenders’ favour. It is partly why Emery continues to endorse the VAR system despite its imperfections.

Emery’s fingerprints on Villa’s defensive setup were obvious from the outset. In his first 14 games, Villa provoked 63 offsides, and in only two of those games — against Arsenal and Manchester City — did the opposition win more.

“When the boss came in and we started doing the defensive line, it was weird,” said Konsa. “With the previous managers, we’ve never had to do that and they never wanted us to do that. We’re not 100 per cent there yet. We’re still making mistakes but that’s normal when you’re trying to play a high line and, regardless if it’s onside or offside, we just have to run back as quick as we can.”

As Villa’s quickest recovering defender, Konsa is integral to Villa’s defensive line, especially in the absence of long-standing partner Tyrone Mings. Now working alongside Pau Torres, who is not as mobile, the onus is on Konsa as Villa’s defensive leader, with communication key to the timing of offside traps.

In the second half at Stamford Bridge, Villa maintained their defensive line, despite a speed disadvantage against Chelsea’s front players. Not having pressure on the ball puts a greater emphasis on the back four staying in line and potentially relying on the digital margins of the VAR. Below is a tight offside call that goes in Villa’s favour.

Although the passage below ends up being flagged with three Nottingham Forest players standing in offside positions, goalkeeper Emiliano Martinez raced out to sweep up the ball over the top.

Martinez ranks in the top one per cent of goalkeepers from Europe’s top five domestic leagues for defensive actions outside his penalty area (2.86 per 90 minutes) over the past year. Villa depend on the Argentina international to sweep up any overhit balls, putting the responsibility back on the opposition passer to time their weight of pass to near perfection.

There has only been one game this season — the 3-1 victory against Crystal Palace — where the other team won more offsides than Villa, something that highlights the growing understanding between Torres and Konsa. Within the back four, the centre-backs dictate the depth of the line, often cajoling the full-backs higher — who have the advantage of looking across the line — or rushing out to press their direct winger.

Within the first 15 seconds of Villa’s 6-1 thrashing of Brighton & Hove Albion, a pass is played towards a tight area on the pitch, encouraging Villa to quickly condense the space. This is the trigger for Konsa and Torres to push up, with Matty Cash and Lucas Digne taking their lead. It catches Solly March, left clearly offside, unaware.

Even when there is no pressure on the player on the ball — again at odds with defenders’ orthodoxy which is usually to drop off — Villa’s back line steps up. Note Cash, Konsa and Torres are all side on, with their momentum braced on their front leg. This enables them to step up at the same time Lewis Dunk makes contact with his pass.

Recognising the triggers of when to squeeze high, maintain the defensive line or, rarely in Villa’s case, drop off, is fundamental in achieving the consistency Emery wants. This comes through hours of drilling an out-of-possession shape on the training ground, using walkthroughs and creating specific game-related scenarios in which Emery can then explain where he wants his players at any given time. It requires meticulous detail in explaining such triggers.

Triggers centre on anticipation. They can include recognising when an opposing player has their back to Villa’s goal, when a pass goes backwards, when there is pressure on the ball or after a heavy touch. All of which are examples of the attacking side presenting an opportunity to regain possession.

For instance, here Brighton pass backwards with March facing towards his own goal. This creates the trigger for Villa to get immediate pressure on him, with the back line, which includes John McGinn dropping into right-back, squeezing up outside of the 18-yard box. It leaves three Brighton players in offside positions.

Villa tend to leave the 18-yard box vacant when possible. The area is used as a barometer in gauging the defensive line’s depth, ensuring no team-mate is left inside the box and playing opposing attackers onside.

As with every tactical scheme, there are pitfalls. Villa’s steadfast line depends on a synchronised back four. When the timings go awry, they present opposing attackers with high-quality, one-on-one chances. Additionally, the trap can be susceptible to movements from deep, due to untracked players staying onside because they have a longer distance to run.

Fulham’s goal exposed the blindspot, with left-back Antonee Robinson sprinting behind Cash and Konsa. Although there was no pressure on the passer Harry Wilson, the body shape of Villa’s back line was too square, meaning they had to pivot 180 degrees to change direction. For Emery, it is paramount his defenders are in a side-on, boxer-like pose that allows them to be nimble in stepping up or turning quickly to chase any pass over the top.

To caveat, Emery will contest Villa’s defensive line conserves energy and is efficient in managing the current workload. The offside trap does shorten the distance between Villa’s furthest outfield player and defence, offering compactness and less distance to cover in midfield. A tighter structure also condenses the space between the lines.

Villa’s penchant for raising the flag is becoming well-known among opposition sides, who are all trying to hatch an effective counteractive plan. But one year into Emery’s project, the margins between success and failure still overwhelmingly fall on the side of Villa’s head coach.

Article with images here - https://theathletic.com/5062686/2023/11/23/aston-villa-offside-trap-premier-league/

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Re: The high line.
« Reply #110 on: November 24, 2023, 01:41:03 PM »
We're getting a lot more tactical analysis now that Jacob Tanswell is the Athletic reporter.  He's doing a good job.

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Re: The high line.
« Reply #111 on: November 24, 2023, 02:00:19 PM »
That's absolutely sexual to me.

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Re: The high line.
« Reply #112 on: November 24, 2023, 02:03:23 PM »
That's absolutely sexual to me.

No, I'm not feeling it at all.

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Re: The high line.
« Reply #113 on: November 24, 2023, 02:03:54 PM »
They must practice it for hours. It must be so hard to do, all four defenders need to be aware of where their team mates are, and what the attacking player with the ball and those waiting to receive it are up to. The concentration required to get it right as often as we do must be immense.

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Re: The high line.
« Reply #114 on: November 24, 2023, 02:22:19 PM »
This bit stood out to me - “When the boss came in and we started doing the defensive line, it was weird,” said Konsa. “With the previous managers, we’ve never had to do that and they never wanted us to do that. We’re not 100 per cent there yet. We’re still making mistakes but that’s normal when you’re trying to play a high line and, regardless if it’s onside or offside, we just have to run back as quick as we can.”

It's already the most effective offside trap in the top 5 leagues and he's saying that it's still a work-in-progress and can be better!

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Re: The high line.
« Reply #115 on: November 24, 2023, 02:27:53 PM »
That's absolutely sexual to me.

No, I'm not feeling it at all.

I told you castration was a bad idea, but oh no, you had to have the prettiest voice.

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Re: The high line.
« Reply #116 on: November 24, 2023, 02:42:53 PM »
The suggestion that Wenger's idea on revamping the offside law so that the whole of the attacking player would have to be beyond the last defender when the ball is passed to him for him to be offside may be introduced next season presumably threatens to cut the party short.

Offline paul_e

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Re: The high line.
« Reply #117 on: November 24, 2023, 02:50:35 PM »
The suggestion that Wenger's idea on revamping the offside law so that the whole of the attacking player would have to be beyond the last defender when the ball is passed to him for him to be offside may be introduced next season presumably threatens to cut the party short.

I really hope they realise it's a shit idea. That's not because we're so good at playing offside but rather that, I suspect, it'll have the opposite effect and you'll see teams consistently defending much deeper, think how Luton play and make that the default across the league, it'd be horrible (in my opinion).

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Re: The high line.
« Reply #118 on: November 24, 2023, 03:32:58 PM »
The suggestion that Wenger's idea on revamping the offside law so that the whole of the attacking player would have to be beyond the last defender when the ball is passed to him for him to be offside may be introduced next season presumably threatens to cut the party short.
I'm sure that was tried before. The term 'daylight' was used a lot.

Offline Footy-Vill

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Re: The high line.
« Reply #119 on: November 24, 2023, 10:28:18 PM »
Son Vs the highline will be very interesting.
How will Emery address that next away game.
Son will get through it that's for sure. Over to the Sultan
Spurs 26 offsides this season (7th highest)
Son caught offside the 3rd most in the league this season 7 times.
Kulusevski 5 times
And Heung-Min Son was the Spurs player to be caught the most Offside last season 18 times in 36 appearances.

The amount of times it took Chelsea to crack the high line probably shows how hard it can be to get it right for a lot of teams.

It will be interesting to see us come up against it. With the amount of times our forwards will have played against it in training, you would think they should be pretty good at it.
Aston Villa Caught 12 times offside this season. (Second lowest)
Watkins and Diaby- Caught Offside 4 times each this season.
Watkins was offside 18 times in 37 appearances last season.

 


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