2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

[Rory]

The problem with this latest debate is that you are not comparing like with like.
EPL players are the elite of football players and are paid accordingly. There are thousands of professional footballers who don't earn anything like as much as doctors do.

A perfectly valid point, CT, but no consultant earns in a year what the best-paid footballers do in a month, and there are thousands of nurses who have studied and worked hard for years - and continue to do so - who use food banks.

I don't really want to get into detail, because anyone who truly believes that 'the market' delivers financial outcomes that are anything close to fair simply hasn't been paying attention to, well, anything in the history of the world, but give me four years of training at each and I reckon I'd be better at kicking a ball than delivering a baby.

Sure, I'd still be too old and slow and misplace a fair few passes, but I wouldn't be pulling a baby's head off.

I sincerely hope not given it takes 3 years to train to be a midwife. That’s a lot of babies losing heads if that’s the case. Anyway just a bit tongue in cheek.
 In no way do I think what elite footballers get paid is sensible or fair. However, slightly different slant on the discussion.
Elite footballers (ie regular starters in the top 5 leagues in Europe) probably earn, on average, £30k per week. that’s a bit of an estimate tbh but a £1-2m salary a year sounds in the right ball park. These people represent the top 1000 in their profession. Of the, literally, millions of doctors, the top 1000 in their profession will absolutely be earning at least £1-2m per year.
Just a slightly different way of thinking about it before we hang anyone working outside the emergency services earning a good salary

The only problem being the assumption that people who kick a ball should be paid anywhere near the same as medical professionals.

[Sexual Ealing]

Absolutely.

We are a society that values someone who can kick a ball infinitely more than we value a paramedic who will save our lives, or a firefighter who risks their life to save ours.

No we're not.

The TV companies do.

Because you have no interest in paying them to show you paramedics or firefighters in action (or generally in inaction in the latter case).

Yeah, those pricks, refusing to start fires.

Edit: I know you're our resident Jordan Peterson, Charlatan, and - like the man himself - you don't half talk bollocks.

It's true though, no? The bit about what we want to see on our TVs. We also like to pay a lot to see actors pretending to be doctors, nurses and firefighters. Just not the real thing.

PS. I have read Peterson's book*. You should too, it is very funny. Unintentionally so, but still. 

* An acquitance, who's general outlook on life deviates significantly from mine, gifted it to me on the only condition I would actually read it. He claimed in all sincerity it would prove life changing. I did read it and have never been able to take him seriously since. It's not so much that I have a problem with him having a different perspective on things, but the fact he found that drivel convincing.

I did read his book. Or, in the spirit of full disclosure, as much of it as I could take before I realised that my commute was bad enough without countenancing the idea that the daft c*nt was serious.

[RamboandBruno]

We won't buy Johnson & Diaby.

Huh.. didn't we put through a legitimate bid for Diaby?

We won't buy both.

Why wouldn't we? You don't think we're going to try and buy 2 forwards or is it because you think it'll cost too much? I'm fully expecting us to buy 2 forwards and if it's right Diaby can play centrally then it would make sense.

We're not going to buy 2 players who essentially offer the same. I think we will buy a second forward but it'll be someone with different attributes.

Do you actually know they offer the same attributes John? Ive never seen Diaby play, just wondering if you have, in all sincerity, as if you have I’ll bow down to your greater knowledge on this.

[algy]

Absolutely.

We are a society that values someone who can kick a ball infinitely more than we value a paramedic who will save our lives, or a firefighter who risks their life to save ours.

No we're not.

The TV companies do.

Because you have no interest in paying them to show you paramedics or firefighters in action (or generally in inaction in the latter case).

Firefighters get paid for what they're prepared to do rather than what they actually (mostly) do.

My dad was a fireman. Used to think he had a dead cushy job, paid a fair old wage for mostly sitting about playing pool and drinking.

Anyway, he'd got this photo on the wall of our house, huge fire in some big building. Asked him what it was about, and he told me this story of when he'd gone to a fire in a pork scratchings factory in Oldbury.

Said they were inside fighting this fire, saw that the it was dangerously close to one of the vats of oil and it was about to blow. They ran like fuck for the door to this room, he got out. But the leading fireman saw that basically they had to shut the door right there and then, with a few firemen inside still trying to escape, or they'd all die. So he shut the door, and several (4 or 5) of my dad's mates ... well, the bodies didn't exist to be buried. My dad said he didn't eat pork scratchings again for fear that he might end up eating bits of fireman.

He'd been doing his exams at the time to become a station officer, passed them, but stayed as an ordinary fireman after that - said he didn't want to have that type of decision on his conscience.

He mostly didn't talk about his work at home, but the were 2 or 3 stories he told me along those lines and I just thought, fuck that for a game of marbles.

[Villatillidie25]

The problem with this latest debate is that you are not comparing like with like.
EPL players are the elite of football players and are paid accordingly. There are thousands of professional footballers who don't earn anything like as much as doctors do.

A perfectly valid point, CT, but no consultant earns in a year what the best-paid footballers do in a month, and there are thousands of nurses who have studied and worked hard for years - and continue to do so - who use food banks.

I don't really want to get into detail, because anyone who truly believes that 'the market' delivers financial outcomes that are anything close to fair simply hasn't been paying attention to, well, anything in the history of the world, but give me four years of training at each and I reckon I'd be better at kicking a ball than delivering a baby.

Sure, I'd still be too old and slow and misplace a fair few passes, but I wouldn't be pulling a baby's head off.

I sincerely hope not given it takes 3 years to train to be a midwife. That’s a lot of babies losing heads if that’s the case. Anyway just a bit tongue in cheek.
 In no way do I think what elite footballers get paid is sensible or fair. However, slightly different slant on the discussion.
Elite footballers (ie regular starters in the top 5 leagues in Europe) probably earn, on average, £30k per week. that’s a bit of an estimate tbh but a £1-2m salary a year sounds in the right ball park. These people represent the top 1000 in their profession. Of the, literally, millions of doctors, the top 1000 in their profession will absolutely be earning at least £1-2m per year.
Just a slightly different way of thinking about it before we hang anyone working outside the emergency services earning a good salary

The only problem being the assumption that people who kick a ball should be paid anywhere near the same as medical professionals.

Completely valid. Think it all comes down to the forces that are paying them ie market vs public. That’s why so many health professionals move onto the private space where market forces guarantee them a higher wage.

[Drummond]

I think that virtually everyone thinks that medical professionals and firemen etc should be paid far more for what they do.

I also think the vast majority think that footballers should be paid less.

We know who the real heroes are.

[Mellin]

Just mulling over our squad and fuck me is it strong. Feeling impatient. Upgrade two attackers for more reliable alternatives and we're ready to go. No ceiling. Let's go get them.

[thick_mike]

You should see me teach dynamic chemical equilibrium. 60 minutes of pure magic.

[pauliewalnuts]

The last week of this thread has been H&V gold.

[Ian.]

The last week of this thread has been H&V gold.

Hasn’t it just! It all spiralled from United didn’t it?

[Ads]

The plane spotters are out tracking private jets from Dusseldorf.

[AV82EC]

The plane spotters are out tracking private jets from Dusseldorf.

What else is there to do. (Opens extra tab to check FlightRadar…)

[Dogtanian]

You should see me teach dynamic chemical equilibrium. 60 minutes of pure magic.

If only you could work your magic for the full 90!

[PeterWithe]

Well, the last few pages have cheered me up no end. AV84, don’t take it to heart, you’ve been a really good new poster until that fuck up. :-)
It’s mainly tongue in cheek really but it does wind me up with the ‘United’ thing too, fucking arrogant bastards who think they’re the only one. Fuck em. It’s like giving them too much respect.
As for Villa Talk, you’re not missing much if they won’t let you join. Fuck them an all.

Yeah, the whole conversation with the idiot made me realise it wasn't going to be my thing. It reminded me of the old days of IRC when power-mad ops would completely ruin channels.

What you actually had a conversation with a mod and they refused to let you join?  Wtf is that all about?  I haven't been on VT for years.  I just haven't got time for a bit on the side.   

They wanted to see my facebook page to prove who I was. I don't use facebook. I gave them my LinkedIn, which had enough info to call my place of work and speak to me at my desk, but apparently that wasn't good enough as I 'could be anyone'.

I said I wasn't really interested in playing their sad little games and came here instead.

I had exactly the same experience a couple of months back. No idea why I even wanted to join, it's a terrible site - must have been a comment that annoyed me which I wanted to reply to. Best out of it.

Do they call everyone who wants to post on their site? That’s absolutely batshit mental.

[Clampy]

I joined VT years and years ago and I don't think I posted anything at all. Shame really, I'd try again to see if they still pull that Facebook nonsense.