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Title: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 30, 2023, 12:55:02 PM
Oh go on then I’ll kick it off. Lots of chatter around Tammy returning. I’d take him in a heartbeat. Better, stronger and more experienced. A good spell in Italy. He’d be great leading our line

Also signing this young Scottish lad. Aidan Borland from Celtic. One for the long term future

https://twitter.com/preeceobserver/status/1641336561630363648?s=46&t=0-BUXD66ovTcofwrbTW4Ag

But as a general comment, I simply cannot wait to see what Emery does with his recruitment. Players that are comfortable on the ball, can play it and move without much thought. There will be a lot of activity this summer. If we can maintain just the form with shown this season under him into next with better players, maybe, just maybe we might be entering a much better period of clubs recent existence. The odd bright moment aside, it’s been gloomy for the better part of 40 years.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: olaftab on March 30, 2023, 01:35:39 PM
Thank you. I would like Osimhen upfront, Gvardiol to play alongside Carlos, Amrabat in midfield. That will do me.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: chrisw1 on March 30, 2023, 01:41:37 PM
I'd take Tammy  There may be someone better out there, but I think Tammy significantly improves us.  I still think Guendouzi is an excellent fit

If Carlos is up to it I really don't think we need to be spending on a centre back.  Mings is awesome and I struggling to understand how people still aren't getting that.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Mister E on March 30, 2023, 03:03:33 PM
Guendouzi or Amrabat - yes, please.
I'm increasingly thinking that Archer and Dhuran will make it. Tim and Aaron Ramsey may also challenge for midfield roles next season.
Right back would be a place to improve, and another CB would be a sensible upgrade.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: frank black on March 30, 2023, 03:19:46 PM
Perhaps a decent backup keeper?
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 30, 2023, 03:34:53 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on March 30, 2023, 01:41:37 PM
I'd take Tammy  There may be someone better out there, but I think Tammy significantly improves us.  I still think Guendouzi is an excellent fit

If Carlos is up to it I really don't think we need to be spending on a centre back.  Mings is awesome and I struggling to understand how people still aren't getting that.

Even if you accept Mings is awesome, that still leaves us light in terms of centre halves who can play the ball.

That is something which Konsa really clearly can not do.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 30, 2023, 03:37:26 PM
Quote from: frank black on March 30, 2023, 03:19:46 PM
Perhaps a decent backup keeper?

Haha, yes. It amazes me that this is missing from peoples’ lists. Maybe it goes without saying.

Keeper apart, Guendouzi is the main man for me.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: paul_e on March 30, 2023, 03:44:15 PM
I've put this elsewhere but, in order:

Replacement for Bailey/Bertie.
Replacement for Olsen.
1 midfielder in with Sanson and Nakamba out, improves depth and leaves the door open for Tim and AJ.
Replacement for Chambers/Konsa.
Replacement for Young (but this might come with KKH so only a low priority).
Short-term option up front so Duran can go on loan.

Ideally I don't like making more than 4-5 signings in the summer so I'd be ok with 1-2 of last 3 being parked for a window or 2.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: chrisw1 on March 30, 2023, 04:45:40 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on March 30, 2023, 03:37:26 PM
Quote from: frank black on March 30, 2023, 03:19:46 PM
Perhaps a decent backup keeper?

Haha, yes. It amazes me that this is missing from peoples’ lists. Maybe it goes without saying.

Keeper apart, Guendouzi is the main man for me.
At our current level it must be difficult to persuade keepers to join to be back up to one of the best keepers in the league.  Much as I don't think he's very good Olsen is an international keeper.  I think it will be hard to find someone significantly better who is prepared to play second fiddle to Martinez with no Euro games on offer.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Bully2345 on March 30, 2023, 04:49:46 PM
Back up keeper isn't anywhere near the top of the priorities for me. Emery will be going out to improve the first team
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Smirker on March 30, 2023, 05:27:59 PM
Tammy Abraham is not good enough.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: manic-road on March 30, 2023, 05:34:23 PM
I wouldn't mind Evan Ferguson from Brighton, looks a real star of the future.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: frank black on March 30, 2023, 05:36:13 PM
Quote from: Bully2345 on March 30, 2023, 04:49:46 PM
Back up keeper isn't anywhere near the top of the priorities for me. Emery will be going out to improve the first team

Should and will be a massive priority. We are one injury away from a run of poor results. Olsen may be an international, but he’s awful for us. I’ll be absolutely amazed if we don’t sign a GK.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Drummond on March 30, 2023, 05:56:46 PM
What about Jed Steer as back-up goalie?
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: paul_e on March 30, 2023, 06:32:25 PM
Quote from: Drummond on March 30, 2023, 05:56:46 PM
What about Jed Steer as back-up goalie?

Too injury prone.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Baldy on March 30, 2023, 06:32:39 PM
Brennan Johnson to replace Bailey wpuld be a good start to the window.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: chrisw1 on March 30, 2023, 06:34:03 PM
Quote from: Smirker on March 30, 2023, 05:27:59 PM
Tammy Abraham is not good enough.
If you think that then we are fishing in a very, very small pond.

One thing I would say is I did think he missed a lot of chances when with us.  But then I looked at his stats and his goals to shots ratio was right up there, I think just behind Benteke.  Yes in the Championship but even so I was surprised.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 30, 2023, 06:56:55 PM
Quote from: frank black on March 30, 2023, 03:19:46 PM
Perhaps a decent backup keeper?

sorted.

(https://cdn.rona.ca/images/86575180_L.jpg)

I mean...it's more mobile than Olsen and probably better at defending the near post

Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Smithy on March 30, 2023, 08:22:36 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on March 30, 2023, 06:34:03 PM
Quote from: Smirker on March 30, 2023, 05:27:59 PM
Tammy Abraham is not good enough.
If you think that then we are fishing in a very, very small pond.

One thing I would say is I did think he missed a lot of chances when with us.  But then I looked at his stats and his goals to shots ratio was right up there, I think just behind Benteke.  Yes in the Championship but even so I was surprised.

We also have to temper our enthusiasm with a little realism. It is unlikely (though not yet impossible) that we will be able to offer European football.  That almost certainly rules out the top tier one level players coming to us this summer. We might get someone from that tier who is at the end of their peak years, maybe.  But realistically, we will be able to sign some really good players this summer, but it's unlikely to be those on the radar of champions league teams, unfortunately.  My guess is it will be young, talented, promising players who are not yet proven at the very top level, like Bouba, or players that might well be on the verge of being past it, like Coutinho. 

I don't see how we buy players in the peak 24-28 age range, who are significantly better than what we have, without facing competition from champions league teams.

The likes of Osimhen are just not realistic for us right now. Jonathan David is a very slim chance I guess.

I guess I'm just preparing myself after a less than stellar January...
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: frank black on March 30, 2023, 08:33:10 PM
Quote from: paul_e on March 30, 2023, 06:32:25 PM
Quote from: Drummond on March 30, 2023, 05:56:46 PM
What about Jed Steer as back-up goalie?

Too injury prone.

Yeah, he’s had a couple of bad ones. Shame because otherwise he’d do the job.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Aldridge Villa on March 30, 2023, 08:44:45 PM
Guendouzi and an upgrade on Bailey would be most welcome.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 30, 2023, 10:59:56 PM
Quote from: Baldy on March 30, 2023, 06:32:39 PM
Brennan Johnson to replace Bailey wpuld be a good start to the window.

He's gettable if Forest go down for sure.

Something like Johnson, Guendouzi, Tierney as starters for next season would be a really good transfer window. Three experienced top level players now and don't think any of them are above 25.

Then you potentially go big on a Nico Williams or one of the Sporting Lisbon players and probably a CB aswell and we're then well covered in pretty much all positions.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 30, 2023, 11:02:37 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on March 30, 2023, 01:41:37 PM
I'd take Tammy  There may be someone better out there, but I think Tammy significantly improves us.  I still think Guendouzi is an excellent fit

If Carlos is up to it I really don't think we need to be spending on a centre back.  Mings is awesome and I struggling to understand how people still aren't getting that.

Typing Mings is awesome in the same week we're playing Chelsea is a very brave thing to type indeed!

I think it's more what role does Konsa have next season? We know his flaws by now and his passing certainly isn't progressive enough to thrive under UE long term.

Could say he can just be a cover option but will he be happy with that after three seasons as a regular starter?

We'll sign a new CB regardless as Chambers and Hause will surely move on in the summer and three CBs is too light to attempt a 50 game season given we've had one out for the last seven months.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: RamboandBruno on March 30, 2023, 11:31:33 PM
Harvey Barnes
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Mellin on March 31, 2023, 12:31:07 AM
Really like Barnes, the colour of his nose aside. He'd be a great signing.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Smirker on March 31, 2023, 12:51:15 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on March 30, 2023, 06:34:03 PM
Quote from: Smirker on March 30, 2023, 05:27:59 PM
Tammy Abraham is not good enough.
If you think that then we are fishing in a very, very small pond.

One thing I would say is I did think he missed a lot of chances when with us.  But then I looked at his stats and his goals to shots ratio was right up there, I think just behind Benteke.  Yes in the Championship but even so I was surprised.

He's not good enough.

Icardi is in loan at Galatasaray and is banging them in. He's 30, I'd rather we went for him and a prospect like that Beighton lad mentioned above. PSG clearly don't want him so we could probably get a good deal.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: olaftab on March 31, 2023, 06:16:30 AM
As Smiker said.
Tammy Abraham nostalgia is mind boggling. He scored goals in the championship and so this Lewis Grabban and no one wants him back. He didn’t do much whenever he was given an opportunity By Chelsea and has not exactly set the world on fire at Roma. Ollie Watkins is now ahead of him in as a PL striker.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 31, 2023, 07:30:10 AM
I'd like the Argentinan forward Pablo Dybala at Roma
Has a release clause at just €12 million and is valid for foreign clubs only.

Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Clampy on March 31, 2023, 08:02:22 AM
Quote from: olaftab on March 31, 2023, 06:16:30 AM
As Smiker said.
Tammy Abraham nostalgia is mind boggling. He scored goals in the championship and so this Lewis Grabban and no one wants him back. He didn’t do much whenever he was given an opportunity By Chelsea and has not exactly set the world on fire at Roma. Ollie Watkins is now ahead of him in as a PL striker.

21 in 58 for Chelsea (when given a chance) and 23 in 64 for Roma. A bit weird comparing him to Lewis Grabban.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Risso on March 31, 2023, 08:07:31 AM
I'm a bit on the fence where Abraham is concerned. He's a good player and I wouldn't be upset if he arrived here, but I'd also hope there was better value elsewhere. He did get 15 goals in 25 starts one season at Chelsea though, which isn't shabby by any standards.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on March 31, 2023, 08:26:28 AM
Quote from: Smirker on March 30, 2023, 05:27:59 PM
Tammy Abraham is not good enough.

More so, I don’t think he suits Emery’s tactics.  But agree he is not a significant upgrade on Watkins to justify the likely fee.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: LeonW on March 31, 2023, 08:28:18 AM
I’m doubtful of a major splurge this summer on household names. I think we’re more likely to see players in the Moreno profile arrive; those that may not be that well know. And perhaps those who are unwanted elsewhere that you think ‘why have we bought him?!’. But both will do a job in the way Emery wants to play. I reckon by august we won’t really be sure what to expect for the following season but ultimately we’ll surprise quite a few and have a good season.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Risso on March 31, 2023, 08:28:49 AM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on March 31, 2023, 08:26:28 AM
Quote from: Smirker on March 30, 2023, 05:27:59 PM
Tammy Abraham is not good enough.

More so, I don’t think he suits Emery’s tactics.  But agree he is not a significant upgrade on Watkins to justify the likely fee.

I think a lot depends on what Emery's long term formation is. If it's 4-4-2, then Abraham would be a huge upgrade on Bailey.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on March 31, 2023, 09:00:22 AM
My priorities and suggestions based on Football Manager scouting circa 2005:

Sell Konsa; buy Pau Torres (say minus £15m).  That gives us three CBS and Chambers.  Full backs are okay for this window.
Sell Nakamba and Sansom buy Guendouzi (say minus £20m).  loan Tim and A Ramsey for 6 months
Sell Bailey; buy …Williams? Johnson? Dembele/raphina? Bowen if West Ham went down? (Say minus £40m). Cameron and Duran to be impact subs.
Plus £25m on random wonder-kids and a reserve keeper, equals a net spend of £100m

Keeps the squad lean and provides some space for the youngsters to grow.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: algy on March 31, 2023, 09:06:50 AM
Quote from: LeonW on March 31, 2023, 08:28:18 AM
I’m doubtful of a major splurge this summer on household names. I think we’re more likely to see players in the Moreno profile arrive; those that may not be that well know. And perhaps those who are unwanted elsewhere that you think ‘why have we bought him?!’. But both will do a job in the way Emery wants to play. I reckon by august we won’t really be sure what to expect for the following season but ultimately we’ll surprise quite a few and have a good season.
This is pretty much where I am. Expecting 3 or 4 transfers in - all done before the middle of July, maybe 1 or 2 out (in addition to players currently on loan), mostly players I've not heard of in the £10m-£20m range.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: olaftab on March 31, 2023, 09:40:51 AM
Quote from: Clampy on March 31, 2023, 08:02:22 AM
Quote from: olaftab on March 31, 2023, 06:16:30 AM
As Smiker said.
Tammy Abraham nostalgia is mind boggling. He scored goals in the championship and so this Lewis Grabban and no one wants him back. He didn’t do much whenever he was given an opportunity By Chelsea and has not exactly set the world on fire at Roma. Ollie Watkins is now ahead of him in as a PL striker.

21 in 58 for Chelsea (when given a chance) and 23 in 64 for Roma. A bit weird comparing him to Lewis Grabban.
His scoring pattern with Chelsea and Roma is similar, and indicates his goals dry up once the defenders work him out.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 31, 2023, 09:41:49 AM
Lo Celso is an Emery man. Think he could be one.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Monty on March 31, 2023, 09:42:50 AM
It's not him who's been worked out for Roma this year, it's Mourinho.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: LeeB on March 31, 2023, 09:55:45 AM
Quote from: Monty on March 31, 2023, 09:42:50 AM
It's not him who's been worked out for Roma this year, it's Mourinho.

Really does feel like the likes of Mourinho and Conte are yesterdays men in football terms
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Grocer on March 31, 2023, 10:04:40 AM
For the wide forward role (replacing Bailey/Bert in the team) one of Johnson, Bowen or Barnes would be excellent - possibly dependent on which (if any) go down from Forest, West Ham and Leicester. All very good players IMO.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Monty on March 31, 2023, 10:07:28 AM
Quote from: LeeB on March 31, 2023, 09:55:45 AM
Quote from: Monty on March 31, 2023, 09:42:50 AM
It's not him who's been worked out for Roma this year, it's Mourinho.

Really does feel like the likes of Mourinho and Conte are yesterdays men in football terms

If their only job is to challenge for fourth they might get away with it, but the truth is both Spurs and Roma should be doing a lot better this year if you look at the clubs around them and have only been made to look at a certain level by the failures of their competitors.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: sid1964 on March 31, 2023, 10:12:39 AM
I thought that Mourinho won a European Trophy recently with Roma

The only team he did not win a trophy with was Spurs, and he was sacked on the Monday before they played in the league cup final (my Spurs mate, tells me the reason he was sacked was to save Levy paying Jose a bonus)

He knows what needs to be done to win - unfortunately his style of football is boring.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Monty on March 31, 2023, 10:16:44 AM
Oddly Mourinho found a way to be more attacking last year, which was largely why he did pretty well. The trouble is it's not in the same league of detail or sophistication as the Napoli style, say, let alone a Man City or what have you, so it was found out despite the return of Spinazzola.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 31, 2023, 10:27:32 AM
Some prospective players listed who have experience working with Emery thar feasiblly could move to Villa. As a result of knowing Emery we are likely to be linked and rumoured to purchase some of these players in the summer.


Right backs (internationals)
Youssouf Sabaly
Senegalese  (Real Betis)
Thomas Meunier
Belgian (Dortmund)
Juan Foyth
Argentinan (Villareal) played in Prem

Centre Back
Pau Torres (Villareal)

Midfield:
Lo Celso Played in Prem
Luis Alberto (Lazio)
Denis Suárez (Espanyol) played in Prem
Mattéo Guendouzi (Marseille) Played in Prem
Dani Ceballos (Real Madrid) free in summer
Francis Coquelin (Villareal) played in Prem
Adrien Rabiot (Juve) free in summer
Geoffrey Kondogbia (At Madrid)

Winger
Reiss Nelson (Arsenal)
Emile Smith-Rowe (Arsenal)
Gerard Deulofeu (Udinese)Played in Prem
Arnaut Danjuma (Villareal)


Forwards
Odsonne Edouard (Palace)
Nicolas Jackson (Villareal)
Gerard Moreno (Villareal)
Aubameyang  (Chelsea)
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Risso on March 31, 2023, 10:28:11 AM
Quote from: LeeB on March 31, 2023, 09:55:45 AM
Quote from: Monty on March 31, 2023, 09:42:50 AM
It's not him who's been worked out for Roma this year, it's Mourinho.

Really does feel like the likes of Mourinho and Conte are yesterdays men in football terms

Mourinho, certainly. Conte won the league with Inter two years ago, and then got Spurs to 4th in his first season last year, which is about par for them a the moment. He's not a bad manager, he's just a sandwich short of a picnic.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Risso on March 31, 2023, 10:34:28 AM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on March 31, 2023, 09:41:49 AM
Lo Celso is an Emery man. Think he could be one.

I hope not. One half decent season for Betis five years ago, then bugger all since.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 31, 2023, 10:37:44 AM
I do believe the club would have explored the possibility signings of Asensio, Thuram, Firmino, Dembélé on free transfers. Getting any of these calibre would be great business.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: chrisw1 on March 31, 2023, 10:38:39 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 30, 2023, 03:34:53 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on March 30, 2023, 01:41:37 PM
I'd take Tammy  There may be someone better out there, but I think Tammy significantly improves us.  I still think Guendouzi is an excellent fit

If Carlos is up to it I really don't think we need to be spending on a centre back.  Mings is awesome and I struggling to understand how people still aren't getting that.

Even if you accept Mings is awesome, that still leaves us light in terms of centre halves who can play the ball.

That is something which Konsa really clearly can not do.
IF Carlos makes the grade then I think Konsa and Chambers as third and fourth choice is pretty damn good for a team not in Europe.  I'd be more than happy with that, but that is subject to Carlos looking fit and excellent before the season ends.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 31, 2023, 10:41:11 AM
Quote from: Risso on March 31, 2023, 10:34:28 AM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on March 31, 2023, 09:41:49 AM
Lo Celso is an Emery man. Think he could be one.

I hope not. One half decent season for Betis five years ago, then bugger all since.
Lo Celso does well for Emery and played well for Argentina before his injury.
The kinks suggest its going to be one of Lo Celso, Guendouzi, McKennie for a transfer fee.
And then Ceballos or Oxlade Chamberlin on a free.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: chrisw1 on March 31, 2023, 10:42:40 AM
Quote from: Grocer on March 31, 2023, 10:04:40 AM
For the wide forward role (replacing Bailey/Bert in the team) one of Johnson, Bowen or Barnes would be excellent - possibly dependent on which (if any) go down from Forest, West Ham and Leicester. All very good players IMO.
Much as I like all these players, I think we'll be shopping abroad.  The PL player price premium just isn't worth it.

But I think we may well go for an out and out No 9 and Wakins will become the secondary forward, which I think he is well suited to.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 31, 2023, 10:45:10 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on March 31, 2023, 10:38:39 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 30, 2023, 03:34:53 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on March 30, 2023, 01:41:37 PM
I'd take Tammy  There may be someone better out there, but I think Tammy significantly improves us.  I still think Guendouzi is an excellent fit

If Carlos is up to it I really don't think we need to be spending on a centre back.  Mings is awesome and I struggling to understand how people still aren't getting that.

Even if you accept Mings is awesome, that still leaves us light in terms of centre halves who can play the ball.

That is something which Konsa really clearly can not do.
IF Carlos makes the grade then I think Konsa and Chambers as third and fourth choice is pretty damn good for a team not in Europe.  I'd be more than happy with that, but that is subject to Carlos looking fit and excellent before the season ends.
Would you or any take Maguire or Lindelöf who are rumored to be avaliable in the summer. I think they are better ball players than Konsa and Chambers have international and Champions League/European experience. Maybe another prem centre back could be brought in to compete and then perhaps move on Chambers.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 31, 2023, 10:46:21 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on March 31, 2023, 10:42:40 AM
Quote from: Grocer on March 31, 2023, 10:04:40 AM
For the wide forward role (replacing Bailey/Bert in the team) one of Johnson, Bowen or Barnes would be excellent - possibly dependent on which (if any) go down from Forest, West Ham and Leicester. All very good players IMO.
Much as I like all these players, I think we'll be shopping abroad.  The PL player price premium just isn't worth it.

But I think we may well go for an out and out No 9 and Wakins will become the secondary forward, which I think he is well suited to.
Wide forward, winger Villa have to look at Thuram and Asensio on free if persuade them be wonder!
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: JD on March 31, 2023, 10:51:31 AM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on March 31, 2023, 10:41:11 AM
Quote from: Risso on March 31, 2023, 10:34:28 AM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on March 31, 2023, 09:41:49 AM
Lo Celso is an Emery man. Think he could be one.

I hope not. One half decent season for Betis five years ago, then bugger all since.
Lo Celso does well for Emery and played well for Argentina before his injury.
The kinks suggest its going to be one of Lo Celso, Guendouzi, McKennie for a transfer fee.
And then Ceballos or Oxlade Chamberlin on a free.

You really got me on this one.

I look out for transfers all of the day and all of the night.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: chrisw1 on March 31, 2023, 10:53:31 AM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on March 31, 2023, 10:45:10 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on March 31, 2023, 10:38:39 AM
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I'd take Tammy  There may be someone better out there, but I think Tammy significantly improves us.  I still think Guendouzi is an excellent fit

If Carlos is up to it I really don't think we need to be spending on a centre back.  Mings is awesome and I struggling to understand how people still aren't getting that.

Even if you accept Mings is awesome, that still leaves us light in terms of centre halves who can play the ball.

That is something which Konsa really clearly can not do.
IF Carlos makes the grade then I think Konsa and Chambers as third and fourth choice is pretty damn good for a team not in Europe.  I'd be more than happy with that, but that is subject to Carlos looking fit and excellent before the season ends.
Would you or any take Maguire or Lindelöf who are rumored to be avaliable in the summer. I think they are better ball players than Konsa and Chambers have international and Champions League/European experience. Maybe another prem centre back could be brought in to compete and then perhaps move on Chambers.
No I wouldn't take Maguire.  He's probably not as bad as his current comedy image suggests, but he offers nothing above Mings and his wages would be stupid.  And lets face it, if he moved to us it wouldn't be to compete with Chambers.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: OCD on March 31, 2023, 11:06:33 AM
You would have to pay £40m for Maguire and big wages. Forget that. I don't think centre back is a priority anyway.

I think Abraham and Watkins could be a good partnership. Talk is that we could get Abraham for about £35m. I've not seen Jonathan David mentioned who we've been linked with in the past.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: algy on March 31, 2023, 11:11:09 AM
Quote from: JD on March 31, 2023, 10:51:31 AM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on March 31, 2023, 10:41:11 AM
Quote from: Risso on March 31, 2023, 10:34:28 AM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on March 31, 2023, 09:41:49 AM
Lo Celso is an Emery man. Think he could be one.

I hope not. One half decent season for Betis five years ago, then bugger all since.
Lo Celso does well for Emery and played well for Argentina before his injury.
The kinks suggest its going to be one of Lo Celso, Guendouzi, McKennie for a transfer fee.
And then Ceballos or Oxlade Chamberlin on a free.

You really got me on this one.

I look out for transfers all of the day and all of the night.
I think you're exaggerating there, and only watch the transfer thread for as long as you gaze at Waterloo Sunset.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 31, 2023, 11:14:42 AM
Tammy was interviewed for FourFourTwo Magazine this month and said he was on the verge of joining Arsenal before Roma came in last minute.

I think we've moved on from him and vice versa so Emery will go for a european forward who can drift out wide.

That said if West Ham get relegated Bowen will be up for sale and I think he can work well in our system. His goal record is pretty similar to Ollie last few seasons and he dosen't really play CF for West Ham.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: chrisw1 on March 31, 2023, 11:15:44 AM
No. 
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: JD on March 31, 2023, 11:20:10 AM
Quote from: algy on March 31, 2023, 11:11:09 AM
Quote from: JD on March 31, 2023, 10:51:31 AM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on March 31, 2023, 10:41:11 AM
Quote from: Risso on March 31, 2023, 10:34:28 AM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on March 31, 2023, 09:41:49 AM
Lo Celso is an Emery man. Think he could be one.

I hope not. One half decent season for Betis five years ago, then bugger all since.
Lo Celso does well for Emery and played well for Argentina before his injury.
The kinks suggest its going to be one of Lo Celso, Guendouzi, McKennie for a transfer fee.
And then Ceballos or Oxlade Chamberlin on a free.

You really got me on this one.

I look out for transfers all of the day and all of the night.
I think you're exaggerating there, and only watch the transfer thread for as long as you gaze at Waterloo Sunset.

Lol a
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: OCD on March 31, 2023, 11:20:20 AM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on March 31, 2023, 11:14:42 AM
Tammy was interviewed for FourFourTwo Magazine this month and said he was on the verge of joining Arsenal before Roma came in last minute.

I think we've moved on from him and vice versa so Emery will go for a european forward who can drift out wide.

That said if West Ham get relegated Bowen will be up for sale and I think he can work well in our system. His goal record is pretty similar to Ollie last few seasons and he dosen't really play CF for West Ham.

I heard we were considering him when we were considering Danny Ings. Talk was that he wanted ~£200k/week and our wage cap was £120k/week.

Rightly or wrongly, there's a lot of talk about us being in for him. Probably meaningless with how closely we hold our cards to our chest but that doesn't prevent leaks from elsewhere.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Clampy on March 31, 2023, 11:44:32 AM
I've heard we're after someone called David Watts.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: chrisw1 on March 31, 2023, 11:45:33 AM
Quote from: Clampy on March 31, 2023, 11:44:32 AM
I've heard we're after someone called David Watts.
Wish I could be like him.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Rory on March 31, 2023, 11:59:39 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on March 31, 2023, 11:45:33 AM
Quote from: Clampy on March 31, 2023, 11:44:32 AM
I've heard we're after someone called David Watts.
Wish I could be like him.

Nah, he has a Funny Face.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: olaftab on March 31, 2023, 01:20:25 PM
Quote from: LeeB on March 31, 2023, 09:55:45 AM
Quote from: Monty on March 31, 2023, 09:42:50 AM
It's not him who's been worked out for Roma this year, it's Mourinho.

Really does feel like the likes of Mourinho and Conte are yesterdays men in football terms
But but they are men of football they understand the game inside out and can stabilise a team just by turning up. They will get players playing for them by putting an arm around their shoulders and …and sitting them down and have a chat.  They could still do a job at this level etc etc.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 31, 2023, 03:48:56 PM
Quote from: JD on March 31, 2023, 10:51:31 AM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on March 31, 2023, 10:41:11 AM
Quote from: Risso on March 31, 2023, 10:34:28 AM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on March 31, 2023, 09:41:49 AM
Lo Celso is an Emery man. Think he could be one.

I hope not. One half decent season for Betis five years ago, then bugger all since.
Lo Celso does well for Emery and played well for Argentina before his injury.
The kinks suggest its going to be one of Lo Celso, Guendouzi, McKennie for a transfer fee.
And then Ceballos or Oxlade Chamberlin on a free.

You really got me on this one.

I look out for transfers all of the day and all of the night.

You sound like a really Dedicated Follower of it mate.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: coreyfeldman on March 31, 2023, 03:55:06 PM
Please please no more for the love of god
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Tayls_7 on March 31, 2023, 04:22:23 PM
This link could really get me going.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 31, 2023, 04:32:26 PM
my internal jukebox just now.

We are the Sherlock Holmes English Spanish Speaking Vernacular
Help save Fu Manchu, Moriarty and Dracula
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: LeeB on March 31, 2023, 04:50:10 PM
Terry meets Julie
Waterloo station
Every Friday night
But she touches her face in a way that indicates
that Terry is talking shite
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Rory on March 31, 2023, 05:00:35 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 31, 2023, 04:32:26 PM
my internal jukebox just now.

We are the Sherlock Holmes English Spanish Speaking Vernacular
Help save Fu Manchu, Moriarty and Dracula

God save donald duck, Footy-Vill and variety.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: dave.woodhall on March 31, 2023, 05:12:46 PM
This is going to keep on til the end of the day isn't it?
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Chris Smith on March 31, 2023, 05:14:20 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on March 31, 2023, 05:12:46 PM
This is going to keep on til the end of the day isn't it?

Nah, think it’s a dead end street myself.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: LeeB on March 31, 2023, 05:16:12 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on March 31, 2023, 05:12:46 PM
This is going to keep on til the end of the day isn't it?

Till this time tomorrow at least
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 31, 2023, 05:19:48 PM
Save me, save me, save me from this squeeeee-eze
I got a big fat mama tryna break me
And I hate Emi so obviously
Olsen is the one for me
Three keepers on a sunny afternoon
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Rory on March 31, 2023, 05:21:23 PM
Quote from: LeeB on March 31, 2023, 05:16:12 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on March 31, 2023, 05:12:46 PM
This is going to keep on til the end of the day isn't it?

Till this time tomorrow at least

I was just about to go with one about This Time Tomorrow. Grrr! You stole my Johnny Thunder.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: LeeB on March 31, 2023, 05:23:58 PM
Quote from: Rory on March 31, 2023, 05:21:23 PM
Quote from: LeeB on March 31, 2023, 05:16:12 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on March 31, 2023, 05:12:46 PM
This is going to keep on til the end of the day isn't it?

Till this time tomorrow at least

I was just about to go with one about This Time Tomorrow. Grrr! You stole my Johnny Thunder.

Me! A thief! I'll have you know I'm a well respected man.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Rory on March 31, 2023, 05:26:19 PM
Quote from: LeeB on March 31, 2023, 05:23:58 PM
Quote from: Rory on March 31, 2023, 05:21:23 PM
Quote from: LeeB on March 31, 2023, 05:16:12 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on March 31, 2023, 05:12:46 PM
This is going to keep on til the end of the day isn't it?

Till this time tomorrow at least

I was just about to go with one about This Time Tomorrow. Grrr! You stole my Johnny Thunder.

Me! A thief! I'll have you know I'm a well respected man.

Yeah right, you're lucky you're a man (and that it's now closed) or you'd be in Holloway Jail.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: john e on March 31, 2023, 07:38:12 PM
Quote from: LeeB on March 31, 2023, 05:23:58 PM
Quote from: Rory on March 31, 2023, 05:21:23 PM
Quote from: LeeB on March 31, 2023, 05:16:12 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on March 31, 2023, 05:12:46 PM
This is going to keep on til the end of the day isn't it?

Till this time tomorrow at least

I was just about to go with one about This Time Tomorrow. Grrr! You stole my Johnny Thunder.

Me! A thief! I'll have you know I'm a well respected man.

Yeah down at the caravan club
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 31, 2023, 09:16:11 PM
(https://img.gifglobe.com/grabs/inbetweeners/S01E05/gif/woT6tHJWU4ST.gif)
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: PeterWithe on April 01, 2023, 10:17:25 AM
Quote from: LeeB on March 31, 2023, 04:50:10 PM
Terry meets Julie
Waterloo station
Every Friday night
But she touches her face in a way that indicates
that Terry is talking shite

Marvellous.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Rodders on April 01, 2023, 01:45:23 PM
Back on topic, rumours about an Argentine midfielder are gathering pace.
His name was Lo Lo,
Lo Lo Lo Lo Celso.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 03, 2023, 12:22:11 PM
"Aston Villa is a more realistic destination for £25m-rated Southampton and Ghana defender Mohammed Salisu, 23, than Chelsea and Manchester United."

It's only the BBC Gossip column (via GiveMeSport) but seems an unusual link to be random b*llocks. Any thoughts, as I know nothing about him?
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: LeeB on April 03, 2023, 12:28:59 PM
He's not a bad player to be fair. I just don't know with centre halves these days though, it's hard to judge as a lot is down to how the team they play in setup.

I quite like Joachim Anderson at Palace for example, and was pointing it out to Risso when he slashed the ball into his own net for our winner. But what I have seen is a player that can pass the ball very well for a centre half, however he might be crap at defending, I don't know, I don't watch him enough to say.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 03, 2023, 12:33:44 PM
Quote from: LeeB on April 03, 2023, 12:28:59 PM
I quite like Joachim Anderson at Palace for example, and was pointing it out to Risso when he slashed the ball into his own net for our winner. But what I have seen is a player that can pass the ball very well for a centre half, however he might be crap at defending,

My uncle, who watches all the PL games and who's far more clued up on tactics than I am, really rates him as well.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: tomd2103 on April 03, 2023, 01:18:07 PM
The current squad of senior players looks like this:

GK - Martinez, Olsen
RB - Cash, Young
LB - Moreno, Digne
CB - Konsa, Mings, Carlos, Chambers
DM - Kamara, Luiz, Dendoncker
CM - McGinn, Ramsey
WM - Bailey, Traore
AM - Buendia, Coutinho
ST - Watkins, Duran

Obviously a number of players can cover other positions, but it's a pretty solid squad of 21 at the moment, with some of the younger players bolstering the numbers. 

I think we could see Digne and Coutinho leave because of their high wages and they would need replacing.  I would like to se pe us bring in competition for Moreno at left-back, but then try and a real top quality 'number 10' type of player.  We need better than Bailey and Traore as wide options and sadly, I think there is a chance that we will be having to replace Emi Martinez.

It will be nice to be building from a position of strength though with a few adjustments, rather than needing another overhaul.

Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: eamonn on April 03, 2023, 01:22:14 PM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on April 03, 2023, 12:22:11 PM
"Aston Villa is a more realistic destination for £25m-rated Southampton and Ghana defender Mohammed Salisu, 23, than Chelsea and Manchester United."

It's only the BBC Gossip column (via GiveMeSport) but seems an unusual link to be random b*llocks. Any thoughts, as I know nothing about him?

Thoughts are that I hope he listens to his Ghanaian brethren.

Higha, higha Villaaa
Lowa, Lowa Chelsea
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: nigel on April 04, 2023, 09:08:59 PM
Made an ‘approach’ for Origi, from Milan, according to b’ham live.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: hilts_coolerking on April 04, 2023, 09:16:40 PM
Quote from: nigel on April 04, 2023, 09:08:59 PM
Made an ‘approach’ for Origi, from Milan, according to b’ham live.
Surely not.  I mean, if Emery thinks he can get something out of him then I'll trust him but I've always thought Origi was shite.  He scored in two or three big matches but that's pretty much all he's ever done.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: nigel on April 04, 2023, 09:42:11 PM
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on April 04, 2023, 09:16:40 PM
Quote from: nigel on April 04, 2023, 09:08:59 PM
Made an ‘approach’ for Origi, from Milan, according to b’ham live.
Surely not.  I mean, if Emery thinks he can get something out of him then I'll trust him but I've always thought Origi was shite.  He scored in two or three big matches but that's pretty much all he's ever done.

My thoughts too.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: OCD on April 04, 2023, 10:34:36 PM
It will be someone else in a day or two.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 05, 2023, 01:25:13 AM
Quote from: LeeB on April 03, 2023, 12:28:59 PM
He's not a bad player to be fair. I just don't know with centre halves these days though, it's hard to judge as a lot is down to how the team they play in setup.

I quite like Joachim Anderson at Palace for example, and was pointing it out to Risso when he slashed the ball into his own net for our winner. But what I have seen is a player that can pass the ball very well for a centre half, however he might be crap at defending, I don't know, I don't watch him enough to say.

I don't want us to sign the lad from Palace. I have no idea whether he's any good, but commentators never refer to him as 'Andersen', it's always 'Joachim Andersen' and it winds me up.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Mister E on April 05, 2023, 08:09:58 AM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on March 31, 2023, 10:27:32 AM
Forwards
Odsonne Edouard (Palace)
Nicolas Jackson (Villareal)
Gerard Moreno (Villareal)
Aubameyang  (Chelsea)
With the possible exception of Jackson, that is a really, really poor offering for striker, FV!
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Villa Lew on April 05, 2023, 10:44:36 AM
Evan Ferguson,scored last night his 8th of the season, not bad for a kid of 18.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Rigadon on April 05, 2023, 10:57:24 AM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on April 05, 2023, 01:25:13 AM
Quote from: LeeB on April 03, 2023, 12:28:59 PM
He's not a bad player to be fair. I just don't know with centre halves these days though, it's hard to judge as a lot is down to how the team they play in setup.

I quite like Joachim Anderson at Palace for example, and was pointing it out to Risso when he slashed the ball into his own net for our winner. But what I have seen is a player that can pass the ball very well for a centre half, however he might be crap at defending, I don't know, I don't watch him enough to say.

I don't want us to sign the lad from Palace. I have no idea whether he's any good, but commentators never refer to him as 'Andersen', it's always 'Joachim Andersen' and it winds me up.

I’ll see that and raise you a ‘Trent’. 
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: eamonn on April 05, 2023, 11:48:42 AM
Quote from: Villa Lew on April 05, 2023, 10:44:36 AM
Evan Ferguson,scored last night his 8th of the season, not bad for a kid of 18.

A new Irish Hero required now that Hotlips-Hotshot-Hourihane is no longer Here.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Drummond on April 08, 2023, 09:17:07 AM
Kyle Walker? Seems like Man City aren't going to be using him much..
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: OCD on April 08, 2023, 12:48:55 PM
Would be a great signing.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Mellin on April 08, 2023, 01:38:30 PM
Always forget he played for us, Walker. Same as Ryan Bertrand. I think it's something to do with full backs doing 6 months on loan not registering whatsoever.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: eamonn on April 08, 2023, 04:40:49 PM
As long as he keeps his mickey in his trousers when he's out on Broad Street.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: brontebilly on April 08, 2023, 05:48:11 PM
Walker is finished I think. Not the athlete he once was.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 08, 2023, 06:56:24 PM
walker has a mistake in him that he normally rectifies with his pace , hmmmm ??
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 08, 2023, 07:01:03 PM
A nearly 33 year old that makes loads of mistakes, relies on pace that is going to wane soon, and massive wages. Not for me.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: nigel on April 08, 2023, 07:01:29 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on April 08, 2023, 05:48:11 PM
Walker is finished I think. Not the athlete he once was.

Yes, I think you’re right.
He’s 32, so probably not finished as such, but certainly not the player he was.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 09, 2023, 12:47:31 PM
Quote from: nigel on April 08, 2023, 07:01:29 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on April 08, 2023, 05:48:11 PM
Walker is finished I think. Not the athlete he once was.

Yes, I think you’re right.
He’s 32, so probably not finished as such, but certainly not the player he was.
Lots of off field issues.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: algy on April 09, 2023, 12:52:00 PM
No thanks to Walker.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: FatSam on April 09, 2023, 12:55:57 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on April 09, 2023, 12:47:31 PM
Quote from: nigel on April 08, 2023, 07:01:29 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on April 08, 2023, 05:48:11 PM
Walker is finished I think. Not the athlete he once was.

Yes, I think you’re right.
He’s 32, so probably not finished as such, but certainly not the player he was.
Lots of off field issues.
Yes, fails the ‘no dickheads’ test.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: brontebilly on April 09, 2023, 01:17:30 PM
Barnes and Bowen would be good. Going to be a buyers market this summer I think with likes of Chelsea having to let lots of players go and lots of good players likely in the three relegated teams. Having European football would really help attract very good players to the club and help retain a better squad.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: LeeB on April 09, 2023, 01:47:39 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on April 09, 2023, 01:17:30 PM
Barnes and Bowen would be good. Going to be a buyers market this summer I think with likes of Chelsea having to let lots of players go and lots of good players likely in the three relegated teams. Having European football would really help attract very good players to the club and help retain a better squad.

I was thinking the same, with Spurs and Liverpool in flux too, could be a fair few undervalued players around that just need a world class manager to get the best out of them.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 09, 2023, 03:20:16 PM
Quote from: nigel on April 08, 2023, 07:01:29 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on April 08, 2023, 05:48:11 PM
Walker is finished I think. Not the athlete he once was.

Yes, I think you’re right.
He’s 32, so probably not finished as such, but certainly not the player he was.

Played well enough in the World cup despite minimal preparation.

Would be odd not to take him in the unlikely event he wanted to join us. Newcastle picked up Trippier who was about 31 and he's been brilliant for them.

Can see us going for a few Villareal players. They won 3-2 at Real Madrid last night and likes of Juan Foyth and Chukuweze would be excellent pick ups to improve further the squad in key positions.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: rob_bridge on April 09, 2023, 03:30:22 PM
Quote from: LeeB on April 09, 2023, 01:47:39 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on April 09, 2023, 01:17:30 PM
Barnes and Bowen would be good. Going to be a buyers market this summer I think with likes of Chelsea having to let lots of players go and lots of good players likely in the three relegated teams. Having European football would really help attract very good players to the club and help retain a better squad.

I was thinking the same, with Spurs and Liverpool in flux too, could be a fair few undervalued players around that just need a world class manager to get the best out of them.

Everton too regardless of staying up or not- sure we could nab a back up or two for a song from them.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: eamonn on April 09, 2023, 03:37:43 PM
One Chuk already broke our hearts, not sure if we're ready for another just yet.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: SamTheMouse on April 09, 2023, 03:43:57 PM
He didn't break my heart, the little prick.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 09, 2023, 03:52:38 PM
Perhaps we should look beyond players who've just got relegated and did well against us.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: rob_bridge on April 09, 2023, 03:57:24 PM
Football Insider will have it covered in due course
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: peckvillajunior on April 09, 2023, 04:15:00 PM
Bowen would be an ideal upgrade on Bailey, and we should sniff around Firmino if he's leaving Liverpool for sure.

Can't see how Abraham would fit in, the second striker in Emery's systems is an attacking midfielder/wide forward type
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: bob on April 09, 2023, 04:15:06 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on April 09, 2023, 03:20:16 PM
Quote from: nigel on April 08, 2023, 07:01:29 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on April 08, 2023, 05:48:11 PM
Walker is finished I think. Not the athlete he once was.

Yes, I think you’re right.
He’s 32, so probably not finished as such, but certainly not the player he was.

Played well enough in the World cup despite minimal preparation.

Would be odd not to take him in the unlikely event he wanted to join us. Newcastle picked up Trippier who was about 31 and he's been brilliant for them.


Wouldn't be odd at all. Would be a terrible signing and not one I expect us to even consider.

Likely his off-field antics have played a part in his recent ostracism.

Plus he's probably GATG, as VILLA MOLE and PeterWithesShin suggest.

Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: olaftab on April 09, 2023, 04:21:55 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on April 08, 2023, 05:48:11 PM
Walker is finished I think. Not the athlete he once was.
Not for Gareth, regardless of whether or not he plays for Mancity
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: papa lazarou on April 09, 2023, 04:23:31 PM
Quote from: peckvillajunior on April 09, 2023, 04:15:00 PM
Bowen would be an ideal upgrade on Bailey, and we should sniff around Firmino if he's leaving Liverpool for sure.

Can't see how Abraham would fit in, the second striker in Emery's systems is an attacking midfielder/wide forward type

If Firmino ain't good enough for Liverpool he ain't good enough for us.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: olaftab on April 09, 2023, 04:24:16 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 09, 2023, 03:52:38 PM
Perhaps we should look beyond players who've just got relegated and did well against us.
Indeed. My motto is never sign players from teams involved in relegation unless they are absolute gems like Grealish was with us.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: bob on April 09, 2023, 04:25:23 PM
Nah I wouldn't be taking Firmino either
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Ian. on April 09, 2023, 04:28:21 PM
Quote from: olaftab on April 09, 2023, 04:24:16 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 09, 2023, 03:52:38 PM
Perhaps we should look beyond players who've just got relegated and did well against us.
Indeed. My motto is never sign players from teams involved in relegation unless they are absolute gems like Grealish was with us.

Absolutely. Our new fullback Moreno is highlighting this. He’s been superb the last five games and now looks like a very shrewd signing and cost very little.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Mister E on April 09, 2023, 08:40:54 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on April 09, 2023, 01:17:30 PM
Barnes and Bowen would be good.
I think both will be priced out of the market. When you consider that we were reportedly looking at Neco Williams for €40-50m in January, I'd say that is rather better value than Lesta and Spam would be looking for.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Dave on April 09, 2023, 09:39:45 PM
Quote from: Mister E on April 09, 2023, 08:40:54 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on April 09, 2023, 01:17:30 PM
Barnes and Bowen would be good.
I think both will be priced out of the market. When you consider that we were reportedly looking at Neco Williams for €40-50m in January, I'd say that is rather better value than Lesta and Spam would be looking for.

Based on what? He could be amazing, but half a dozen goals for a 20 year old in two seasons feels a bit Dwight McNeil to me.

Given Leeds paid £5m for Gnonto who was younger  and was performing pretty much the same, what is "value" about £42m (his release clause) for Williams?
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Mister E on April 09, 2023, 09:51:26 PM
Quote from: Dave on April 09, 2023, 09:39:45 PM
Quote from: Mister E on April 09, 2023, 08:40:54 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on April 09, 2023, 01:17:30 PM
Barnes and Bowen would be good.
I think both will be priced out of the market. When you consider that we were reportedly looking at Neco Williams for €40-50m in January, I'd say that is rather better value than Lesta and Spam would be looking for.

Based on what? He could be amazing, but half a dozen goals for a 20 year old in two seasons feels a bit Dwight McNeil to me.

Given Leeds paid £5m for Gnonto who was younger  and was performing pretty much the same, what is "value" about £42m (his release clause) for Williams?
well, I wasn't commenting particularly about Williams; more about the inflated prices likely for Bowen and Barnes. Williams is a full Spanish international, though.
I'd far prefer finding a £5m diamond in the rough or promote one of our youngsters.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 09, 2023, 11:15:39 PM
Buyout clauses for players from Basque clubs are pretty high actually, I don't think we'll be signing Nico Williams for anything south of 30m.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: ROBBO on April 10, 2023, 01:21:56 AM
Bowen would be top of my list, works hard, can beat his marker and has a decent shot on him, yes he will cost a lot but that's what top teams are doing. Big no to Abraham, we already have a decent finisher who works twice as hard.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Drummond on April 10, 2023, 09:13:20 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 09, 2023, 03:52:38 PM
Perhaps we should look beyond players who've just got relegated and did well against us.

Absolutely. The way things are changing with us, we can attract players clubs don't want to lose, rather than ones clubs have to sell.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Rigadon on April 10, 2023, 09:28:36 AM
There is going to be a lot of transfers this summer I think, across the board.  Newcastle will spend big, Man City will too.  Liverpool and Spurs need to refresh, Chelsea have a million players they will offload, Arsenal will want to build on what they have.  Then you have the relegated clubs who need to downsize.  Like others, I can see us going for a few players Emery knows well from Europe and maybe a one or two from domestic clubs.  We are demonstrably top 6 with this squad and this manager, so it's properly exciting to see where we can go next, with (you'd think/expect) a load of money to spend in the summer. 
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on April 10, 2023, 11:33:37 AM
Bowen and Barnes are playing for sides that might get relegated - admittedly the crisp munchers are more likely than the kit stealers but either or both are still in relegation trouble - and I think both have the quality and character to improve us and would be relatively low risk.

Though I imagine we are probably looking for one wide/attacking player rather than two.

I wouldn't base a transfer strategy on trying to buy quality from relegated teams, though neither would I discount a player just because they play for a team that goes down. Ward-Prowse at Saints is another good player that will have plenty of suitors. UTV

Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Smithy on April 10, 2023, 12:13:51 PM
On the subject of buying players from relegated clubs - and Leicester obviously aren't down yet - but we are all raving about Ollie's improvement since Emery came in, and he's still only got twelve league goals playing centre forward in a team in good form.

Harvey Barnes has ten goals this season, and Maddison has nine (plus six assists). And neither of them plays up front. Plus that's in the team that's currently second bottom.  Both of those players would improve our squad, and would go ahead of Bailey and Buendia in the pecking order my mind.

Expensive, yes. And there'd be competition, definitely, but they have proven Premier League quality and would make us better overnight.

I wouldn't be surprised to see them end up teams that qualify for the Champions League.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: OCD on April 10, 2023, 12:15:43 PM
Ward-Prowse would be a good rotation option for Luiz if we're playing 3 games a week. But we'll also be looking at people like Guendozi and others like him. Guerte at Sporting Lisbon's been mentioned in transfer speculation.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 10, 2023, 12:36:07 PM
Quote from: OCD on April 10, 2023, 12:15:43 PM
Ward-Prowse would be a good rotation option for Luiz if we're playing 3 games a week. But we'll also be looking at people like Guendozi and others like him. Guerte at Sporting Lisbon's been mentioned in transfer speculation.

I’m not sure he adds enough other than his free kicks to justify the likely costs especially considering any potential sell on value.  I’d be happy to see Everton or West Ham over spend on him.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: mrfuse on April 10, 2023, 01:31:42 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on April 10, 2023, 12:36:07 PM
Quote from: OCD on April 10, 2023, 12:15:43 PM
Ward-Prowse would be a good rotation option for Luiz if we're playing 3 games a week. But we'll also be looking at people like Guendozi and others like him. Guerte at Sporting Lisbon's been mentioned in transfer speculation.

I’m not sure he adds enough other than his free kicks to justify the likely costs especially considering any potential sell on value.  I’d be happy to see Everton or West Ham over spend on him.

Ward-prowse is a MOTD player for me. When we linked with him I made an effort to focus on his game when Southampton were on the TV and I didn't actually rate him.
He goes missing for pretty much most of the game and only comes alive when a dead ball situation arises and the odd goal opportunity.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Steve67 on April 10, 2023, 03:01:50 PM
Does Ward-Prowse enhance the current squad? Not for me he doesn’t.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Tayls_7 on April 10, 2023, 03:36:48 PM
That golf swing celebration can eff off n'all.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 10, 2023, 03:46:49 PM
Quote from: Tayls_7 on April 10, 2023, 03:36:48 PM
That golf swing celebration can eff off n'all.

if he's doing it for us I'm fine with it. Knock in a century and raise his bat for all I care. Ward-Prowse is way more than free kicks. He runs all day and works his bollocks off for that team. He has the highest running stats in the PL. That tells me about his commitment, attitude and desire. For the right price and wages he'd be a super addition.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: eamonn on April 10, 2023, 03:47:18 PM
He's aiming for Augusta with another ex-Saint, Gareth Bale.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Drummond on April 10, 2023, 04:56:43 PM
Ward Prowse would be a useful squad player, and wouldn't improve the first team. We need to improve the first team.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 10, 2023, 05:01:33 PM
Quote from: Drummond on April 10, 2023, 04:56:43 PM
Ward Prowse would be a useful squad player, and wouldn't improve the first team. We need to improve the first team.
That is going to be a challenge, but if he did not make the first team any worse as part of a rotation then I would not be against him.
He is a very good player and those free kicks.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Clampy on April 10, 2023, 05:04:37 PM
A no for Ward-Prowse from me. Not sure he's an Emery type player anyway.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 10, 2023, 05:21:08 PM
No for me too.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Dave on April 10, 2023, 05:37:41 PM
Quote from: Drummond on April 10, 2023, 04:56:43 PM
Ward Prowse would be a useful squad player, and wouldn't improve the first team. We need to improve the first team.

Given the improvement we've seen in Luiz, McGinn, Watkins, Mings etc under Emery I don't think there's anyone I'd be against signing if Emery thinks he can do something with them.

It's perfectly possible that the Unai Emery version of James Ward-Prowse isn't the same as the Ralph Hasenhüttl version of James Ward-Prowse.

I don't think I've watched a Southampton game in which they weren't playing us, but for example they may see him as a great passer with good vision who has spent five years being wasted by putting easy balls into Che Adams' feet for him to back into defenders with.

But they think that if he's being coached to look for through balls for Watkins and Ramsey, and they think they'll get two or three massive chances per game that we're not currently getting then it's a double thumbs up from me.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Smirker on April 10, 2023, 05:42:40 PM
JWP would be a fantastic signing imo. Not that we'd get him.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: manic-road on April 10, 2023, 05:50:51 PM
I would like to see upgrades on Bailey and Buendia, Bailey offers very little when fit and Buendia keeps giving the ball away cheaply.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 10, 2023, 05:58:02 PM
Quote from: manic-road on April 10, 2023, 05:50:51 PM
I would like to see upgrades on Bailey and Buendia, Bailey offers very little when fit and Buendia keeps giving the ball away cheaply.
I still think Buendia has something to offer, the priority is a replacement for Bailey we need a lot more than he is offering.
Still think Ball playing centre half and a RB is needed if we genuinely want to progress.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on April 10, 2023, 06:01:21 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on April 10, 2023, 03:46:49 PM
Quote from: Tayls_7 on April 10, 2023, 03:36:48 PM
That golf swing celebration can eff off n'all.

if he's doing it for us I'm fine with it. Knock in a century and raise his bat for all I care. Ward-Prowse is way more than free kicks. He runs all day and works his bollocks off for that team. He has the highest running stats in the PL. That tells me about his commitment, attitude and desire. For the right price and wages he'd be a super addition.

Jack Russells run about a lot. Is he better than what we’ve got? Not too sure.

We’re putting ourselves in a good position to take significant steps up in term of recruitment. And I’m not sure is Ward Prowse is that, or not.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Villa in Denmark on April 10, 2023, 06:30:19 PM
Ward-Prowse would have been a good signing when we tried under Smith. Now I don't know what extra he'd offer unless it was captaining the Conference League team.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: danno on April 10, 2023, 06:38:01 PM
In terms of stats there’s not much between Ward-Prowse and McGinn.

This season in the premier league.

Appearances: Ward-Prowse (30) McGinn (26)
Goals: Ward-Prowse (7) McGinn (1)
Assists: Ward-Prowse (2) McGinn (2)
Yellows: Ward-Prowse (5). McGinn (5)
Shots: Ward-Prowse (39). McGinn (30)
Shot accuracy Ward-Prowse (55%) McGinn (47%)

Big chances created: Ward-Prowse (7) McGinn (6)
Pass completion Ward-Prowse (84.85%) McGinn (81.56%)
Through balls: Ward-Prowse (2) McGinn (7)
Crosses: Ward-Prowse (208) McGinn (33)
Dispossessed: Ward-Prowse (21) McGinn (26)

Interceptions: Ward-Prowse (39). McGinn (19)
Tackles: Ward-Prowse (51) McGinn (52)
Successful tackles Ward-Prowse (27). McGinn (29)
Aerial battles won: Ward-Prowse (40)  McGinn (17)
Fouls: Ward-Prowse (29). McGinn (27)

I think JWP is a decent player, but for the money he’d cost, he’s probably too similar to what we have already to be good value.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Risso on April 10, 2023, 07:40:53 PM
There's quite a big difference between 7 goals and 1 goal to be fair! McGinn with 6 more goals to his name would be ace.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: danno on April 10, 2023, 07:42:38 PM
Quote from: Risso on April 10, 2023, 07:40:53 PM
There's quite a big difference between 7 goals and 1 goal to be fair! McGinn with 6 more goals to his name would be ace.

I was wondering who would go for that tap in! Lol.
To be fair I thought people had mentioned his free kicks enough.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: SamTheMouse on April 10, 2023, 07:45:06 PM
I really hope Emery goes back to Villarreal for Chukwueze. He's exactly what we need to replace Bailey.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: FatSam on April 10, 2023, 07:48:07 PM
JWP seems quite a long way ahead in terms of goals, crosses and interceptions.

I’m not convinced he would be a good signing though, regardless of whether he is a marginal improvement on what we’ve already got in the first team. Without checking his contract status, I think he would be too expensive, and with too little re-sale value.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Villafirst on April 10, 2023, 07:55:38 PM
Some press rumours that we're after Kalvin Phillips? Really? I think he's overrated, overweight and injury prone. Apparently, he still hasn't actually started a game for Citeh! No thanks.....
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: FatSam on April 10, 2023, 08:04:33 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on April 10, 2023, 07:55:38 PM
Some press rumours that we're after Kalvin Phillips? Really? I think he's overrated, overweight and injury prone. Apparently, he still hasn't actually started a game for Citeh! No thanks.....
I’d possibly take him on loan, and paying a proportion of his wages, if we did make the Europa League. I wouldn’t want him to block the pathway for Iroegbunam though, and I don’t want us to be solving other teams’ expensive mistakes for them.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: rob_bridge on April 10, 2023, 08:05:36 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on April 10, 2023, 07:55:38 PM
Some press rumours that we're after Kalvin Phillips? Really? I think he's overrated, overweight and injury prone. Apparently, he still hasn't actually started a game for Citeh! No thanks.....

A year ago I would have thought what a signing. Now - no thanks. He has lost his mobility and hence his decision making has suffered.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: KevinGage on April 10, 2023, 08:09:34 PM
Providing Boubs and DL remain, it's not an area we're short in.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on April 10, 2023, 08:23:43 PM
Just checked the goal stats for JWP and it’s a good mix of pennos, free kicks and open play.

I feel like McgIniesta could get more goals. He has the ability to. With the midfield functioning better I hope he a) finds himself in positions to take good shots more regularly and b) has more confidence to take the right sort of shot in each situation.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Clampy on April 10, 2023, 08:55:42 PM
JWP is 28 now and you could query why no-one has took him.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Steve67 on April 10, 2023, 09:25:09 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on April 10, 2023, 08:05:36 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on April 10, 2023, 07:55:38 PM
Some press rumours that we're after Kalvin Phillips? Really? I think he's overrated, overweight and injury prone. Apparently, he still hasn't actually started a game for Citeh! No thanks.....

A year ago I would have thought what a signing. Now - no thanks. He has lost his mobility and hence his decision making has suffered.

I'm a bit mixed on that one.  I think he's a good player but I wonder if the price tag and wages has gone to his head and he doesn't feel he has to try as hard for City as he did for Leeds.   I'm also not sure if he has the sort of mobility that Unai is after.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Monty on April 10, 2023, 09:28:27 PM
Must say I suspect Phillips would be excellent for us.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: steamer on April 10, 2023, 09:51:06 PM
I know next to nothing about European teams or players.
I suspect Emri knows a lot more and that  these players will be the ones in his  sights rather than overpriced English players  surplus to requirements at their current teams.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 10, 2023, 09:55:54 PM
On loan, I think Philips would be a very shrewd signing.  It’d signal the end of his England career but that’s not our problem.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: tomd2103 on April 10, 2023, 10:50:02 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on April 10, 2023, 08:09:34 PM
Providing Boubs and DL remain, it's not an area we're short in.

It's about adding quality options though and although I like both of them, if one of those of those two are out it's either Dendoncker or Chambers.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 10, 2023, 11:02:54 PM
He's not going to swap their bench for ours.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: brontebilly on April 10, 2023, 11:57:55 PM
Quote from: Steve67 on April 10, 2023, 09:25:09 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on April 10, 2023, 08:05:36 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on April 10, 2023, 07:55:38 PM
Some press rumours that we're after Kalvin Phillips? Really? I think he's overrated, overweight and injury prone. Apparently, he still hasn't actually started a game for Citeh! No thanks.....

A year ago I would have thought what a signing. Now - no thanks. He has lost his mobility and hence his decision making has suffered.

I'm a bit mixed on that one.  I think he's a good player but I wonder if the price tag and wages has gone to his head and he doesn't feel he has to try as hard for City as he did for Leeds.   I'm also not sure if he has the sort of mobility that Unai is after.

He was terrible for Leeds the season before he left too.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Smirker on April 11, 2023, 01:41:11 AM
Quote from: Clampy on April 10, 2023, 08:55:42 PM
JWP is 28 now and you could query why no-one has took him.

Cos they'd want silly money. He's class. He'd be great in Klopp's Liverpool team I reckon.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: curiousorange on April 11, 2023, 10:42:57 AM
I'd like to think we won't just be buying overpriced Premier League players this summer.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 11, 2023, 11:06:17 AM
Quote from: Smirker on April 11, 2023, 01:41:11 AM
Quote from: Clampy on April 10, 2023, 08:55:42 PM
JWP is 28 now and you could query why no-one has took him.

Cos they'd want silly money. He's class. He'd be great in Klopp's Liverpool team I reckon.

I am not sure whether he's what we need, but he's an exceptional player who looks good even in a shit team.

I don't think the 'why hasn't anyone else had him?' argument adds too much tbh.

Perhaps they really really want to keep him and quote massive prices - we know they did that to us last year, for a start.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: hilts_coolerking on April 11, 2023, 11:11:39 AM
Quote from: curiousorange on April 11, 2023, 10:42:57 AM
I'd like to think we won't just be buying overpriced Premier League players this summer.
Equally I hope we don't think we can buck the trend by spending peanuts on average players then win everything in sight.  Quality costs.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: London Villan on April 11, 2023, 11:19:59 AM
Phillips is a yes from me if we are in Europe. With injuries and suspensions, those two positions are too important not to have quality cover. We've seen McGinn do well there, but he is much more effective further forward.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: chrisw1 on April 11, 2023, 11:23:43 AM
Quote from: rob_bridge on April 10, 2023, 08:05:36 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on April 10, 2023, 07:55:38 PM
Some press rumours that we're after Kalvin Phillips? Really? I think he's overrated, overweight and injury prone. Apparently, he still hasn't actually started a game for Citeh! No thanks.....

A year ago I would have thought what a signing. Now - no thanks. He has lost his mobility and hence his decision-making has suffered.
I think the original source of this is Football Insider, so it's just bullshit.

But I think he's an excellent player with a great pass.  With him, Doug and Kamara, our CM positions sorted for some time to come.  Doug and Kamara are versatile enough to play further forward or the '8' role too, so we'd have depth and versatility.

However, I think Guendouzi will be that signing and I'm happy with him too.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Smithy on April 11, 2023, 11:24:56 AM
Quote from: brontebilly on April 10, 2023, 11:57:55 PM
Quote from: Steve67 on April 10, 2023, 09:25:09 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on April 10, 2023, 08:05:36 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on April 10, 2023, 07:55:38 PM
Some press rumours that we're after Kalvin Phillips? Really? I think he's overrated, overweight and injury prone. Apparently, he still hasn't actually started a game for Citeh! No thanks.....

A year ago I would have thought what a signing. Now - no thanks. He has lost his mobility and hence his decision making has suffered.

I'm a bit mixed on that one.  I think he's a good player but I wonder if the price tag and wages has gone to his head and he doesn't feel he has to try as hard for City as he did for Leeds.   I'm also not sure if he has the sort of mobility that Unai is after.

He was terrible for Leeds the season before he left too.

I'm not sure he was "terrible". He was out for three months with a hamstring injury which coincided with Leeds' downturn in form that ultimately saw Bielsa sacked.  He was back fit and in the side about two weeks after Ted Lasso took over.

If Emery has any plans to play a "double pivot" (which I believe is the new fancy way of saying two deeper lying midfielders), then I think he'd be an excellent signing to go alongside Kamara.  Dougie has looked so much better since he's had a bit more freedom instead of being forced to sit in front of the back four, so it would be great to free him of that responsibility for good.

Yes, we have a promising youngster in Tim coming through in that position, but Phillips is still only 27, a full International, and if properly fit, one of the best defensive midfielders around.

If he's genuinely available, I think there'll be plenty of suitors.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: paul_e on April 11, 2023, 12:31:20 PM
It's a no to Phillips from me, he made a terrible decision to join them last summer and will need time to recover from losing an entire season to get back to his best. A lot of players when faced with that sort of challenge after a failed transfer just wilt and become a Ross Barkley like shadow of the player they might have been. From what I've seen of Phillips this year he hardly seems to be 'pulling up trees' to get himself into the team.

With someone who's best is miles above what we have and where the finances make sense (e.g. Coutinho) it can be worth the gamble but at his very best Phillips would be part of a 2 from 3 setup in central midfield (with Dougie and Bouba) where we've added depth but not quality and it's soon enough after his transfer that they'd expect to get most of the fee they paid back. If we want to add depth in that way then I'd prefer it to be by adding someone who is in great form and would be stepping up/sideways not someone who hasn't played for a year and will see it as going backwards.

on JWP I quite like him I'm not convinced he's good enough for a top 6 challenge, we stepped over him when we got Bouba in my opinion and now he'd be cover at most.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Dave on April 11, 2023, 12:40:34 PM
Quote from: paul_e on April 11, 2023, 12:31:20 PM
It's a no to Phillips from me, he made a terrible decision to join them last summer and will need time to recover from losing an entire season to get back to his best. A lot of players when faced with that sort of challenge after a failed transfer just wilt and become a Ross Barkley like shadow of the player they might have been. From what I've seen of Phillips this year he hardly seems to be 'pulling up trees' to get himself into the team.

I expect he thinks he made a brilliant decision.

Given he's had a pretty sketchy history with injuries over the previous couple of years, I don't blame him for signing a six year contract at nearly £8m per season. It's a short career, he's never going to be offered that again.

Being injured at a less trophy-rich club, earning less money is probably a worse end result than his current situation.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Drummond on April 11, 2023, 12:43:54 PM
Aaron Wan Bissaka at Man Utd being watched apparently.....

So too Mohammed Salisu at Southampton..
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: paul_e on April 11, 2023, 12:51:29 PM
Quote from: Dave on April 11, 2023, 12:40:34 PM
Quote from: paul_e on April 11, 2023, 12:31:20 PM
It's a no to Phillips from me, he made a terrible decision to join them last summer and will need time to recover from losing an entire season to get back to his best. A lot of players when faced with that sort of challenge after a failed transfer just wilt and become a Ross Barkley like shadow of the player they might have been. From what I've seen of Phillips this year he hardly seems to be 'pulling up trees' to get himself into the team.

I expect he thinks he made a brilliant decision.

Given he's had a pretty sketchy history with injuries over the previous couple of years, I don't blame him for signing a six year contract at nearly £8m per season. It's a short career, he's never going to be offered that again.

Being injured at a less trophy-rich club, earning less money is probably a worse end result than his current situation.

Well yes, but this is really just making the same point, he decided to go for money and reflected glory of being in a squad that wins things without him having much to do with it. That's part of why I wouldn't want to be the club that gamble on him giving a shit about playing anymore.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: LeeB on April 11, 2023, 01:44:08 PM
Quote from: paul_e on April 11, 2023, 12:31:20 PM
It's a no to Phillips from me, he made a terrible decision to join them last summer and will need time to recover from losing an entire season to get back to his best. A lot of players when faced with that sort of challenge after a failed transfer just wilt and become a Ross Barkley like shadow of the player they might have been. From what I've seen of Phillips this year he hardly seems to be 'pulling up trees' to get himself into the team.

With someone who's best is miles above what we have and where the finances make sense (e.g. Coutinho) it can be worth the gamble but at his very best Phillips would be part of a 2 from 3 setup in central midfield (with Dougie and Bouba) where we've added depth but not quality and it's soon enough after his transfer that they'd expect to get most of the fee they paid back. If we want to add depth in that way then I'd prefer it to be by adding someone who is in great form and would be stepping up/sideways not someone who hasn't played for a year and will see it as going backwards.

on JWP I quite like him I'm not convinced he's good enough for a top 6 challenge, we stepped over him when we got Bouba in my opinion and now he'd be cover at most.

I agree with all of this
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: OCD on April 11, 2023, 02:32:50 PM
Our name does seem to have become a stalking horse for other clubs cast-offs. The likes of Man Utd and Chelsea are going to have a lot of dead wood to get rid of.

We've been interested in Phillips a couple of times but he's older and his fitness record isn't good. Added to that, City are expected to demand the same excessive fee they paid for him and then added to that his wages...we would be better off bringing in Guendozi, Guerte or someone else from Europe.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 11, 2023, 04:06:44 PM
Quote from: London Villan on April 11, 2023, 11:19:59 AM
Phillips is a yes from me if we are in Europe. With injuries and suspensions, those two positions are too important not to have quality cover. We've seen McGinn do well there, but he is much more effective further forward.
I think that he has not started a game for Citeh is a huge red flag.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Rigadon on April 11, 2023, 04:06:55 PM
I wouldn't have Philips or Ward Prowse over Luiz, McGinn or Kamara at the moment.  Had you asked me that pre-Emery, I'd have said something different though.  As somebody else said earlier in the thread, maybe the club is considering players whose ceiling is higher than those three, given Emery's apparent knack of improving players.  Philips might (more obviously) be in that category than Ward Prowse.  I definitely think Kamara and Luiz can and will go up a notch.  SJM is playing great at the moment but not sure he has another level - I am often wrong about this stuff though. 

As for improving the squad, both of the players rumored would do that, and unless they move to a newly promoted / Everton or West Ham type club, they won't be guaranteed starters anyway. 
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Beard82 on April 11, 2023, 04:15:27 PM
I would touch Phillips, think he is a modern day owen hargraves - good player but will be too expensive and too injured.

I would like JWP, his goal contribution per season for a struggling team is massive, he works hard, is rarely injured and can play in various positions.

Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: hilts_coolerking on April 11, 2023, 04:19:20 PM
Luiz, SJM and Kamara are all doing fine for us.  If one or more of them could up their goals scored a bit it would be great.  If we can find someone, for sake of argument JWP, who is as good and scores goals then they have to be considered.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 11, 2023, 04:20:32 PM
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on April 11, 2023, 04:19:20 PM
Luiz, SJM and Kamara are all doing fine for us.  If one or more of them could up their goals scored a bit it would be great.  If we can find someone, for sake of argument JWP, who is as good and scores goals then they have to be considered.
Exactly and if we are going to play a lot of games we certainly need quality in depth.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: curiousorange on April 11, 2023, 05:26:17 PM
Phillips, when fit, is an excellent player whom Man City didn't need. But his price will dictate that he's the main signing for whichever club decides to come in for him. I think we've got other positions I'd rather spend money on. Presumably he'll be Declan Rice's replacement.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: pablo_picasso on April 11, 2023, 05:38:44 PM
Fuck them both.

Ward-Prowse & Philips had their chance at joining the Villa revolution.

We have moved on from them now.

I hope they both enjoy the beds they chose to sully...
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 11, 2023, 05:57:47 PM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on April 11, 2023, 05:38:44 PM
Fuck them both.

Ward-Prowse & Philips had their chance at joining the Villa revolution.

We have moved on from them now.

I hope they both enjoy the beds they chose to sully...

I don’t think they had the chance unless a bid was accepted, and I’m not going to slag anyone for staying at their club, given the history of some of our snakes.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Mister E on April 11, 2023, 06:11:09 PM
Quote from: London Villan on April 11, 2023, 11:19:59 AM
Phillips is a yes from me if we are in Europe. With injuries and suspensions, those two positions are too important not to have quality cover. We've seen McGinn do well there, but he is much more effective further forward.
Guendouzi would be better and probably less expensive.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: villadelph on April 11, 2023, 06:13:58 PM
Quote from: Mister E on April 11, 2023, 06:11:09 PM
Quote from: London Villan on April 11, 2023, 11:19:59 AM
Phillips is a yes from me if we are in Europe. With injuries and suspensions, those two positions are too important not to have quality cover. We've seen McGinn do well there, but he is much more effective further forward.
Guendouzi would be better and probably less expensive.

No brainer!
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Drummond on April 11, 2023, 06:49:23 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on April 11, 2023, 05:57:47 PM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on April 11, 2023, 05:38:44 PM
Fuck them both.

Ward-Prowse & Philips had their chance at joining the Villa revolution.

We have moved on from them now.

I hope they both enjoy the beds they chose to sully...

I don’t think they had the chance unless a bid was accepted, and I’m not going to slag anyone for staying at their club, given the history of some of our snakes.

No, Phillips is doing great at Lee... Oh, warming the bench in manc.

I don't blame players for staying at their club either xi just wish more would.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: pablo_picasso on April 11, 2023, 09:56:54 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on April 11, 2023, 05:57:47 PM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on April 11, 2023, 05:38:44 PM
Fuck them both.

Ward-Prowse & Philips had their chance at joining the Villa revolution.

We have moved on from them now.

I hope they both enjoy the beds they chose to sully...

I don’t think they had the chance unless a bid was accepted, and I’m not going to slag anyone for staying at their club, given the history of some of our snakes.

That sir, is a fair point...

I still think fuck him though. Just because I think he is overrated because he can take a set piece... Other than that, he is John McGinns average form in a skinnier & slower package... Im sure he is a lovely fella though, so I wish him luck at Southampton...
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 11, 2023, 11:21:17 PM
Quote from: Drummond on April 11, 2023, 06:49:23 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on April 11, 2023, 05:57:47 PM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on April 11, 2023, 05:38:44 PM
Fuck them both.

Ward-Prowse & Philips had their chance at joining the Villa revolution.

We have moved on from them now.

I hope they both enjoy the beds they chose to sully...

I don’t think they had the chance unless a bid was accepted, and I’m not going to slag anyone for staying at their club, given the history of some of our snakes.

No, Phillips is doing great at Lee... Oh, warming the bench in manc.



City had a bid accepted.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: tomd2103 on April 12, 2023, 12:53:27 AM
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on April 11, 2023, 04:19:20 PM
Luiz, SJM and Kamara are all doing fine for us.  If one or more of them could up their goals scored a bit it would be great.  If we can find someone, for sake of argument JWP, who is as good and scores goals then they have to be considered.

That's the thing.  When we play the flat four across the midfield, McGinn, Kamara, Luiz and Ramsey look well balanced and when we play with a wide player on the right, whichever three from those four are picked have done well as well.

Dendoncker covers Kamara and Luiz, but we don't really have anyone who can play the roles McGinn and Ramsey play, so cover might be needed there.  Funnily enough, those roles might suit Sanson, but think we have probably seen the last of him.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on April 12, 2023, 01:25:04 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on April 12, 2023, 12:53:27 AM
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on April 11, 2023, 04:19:20 PM
Luiz, SJM and Kamara are all doing fine for us.  If one or more of them could up their goals scored a bit it would be great.  If we can find someone, for sake of argument JWP, who is as good and scores goals then they have to be considered.

That's the thing.  When we play the flat four across the midfield, McGinn, Kamara, Luiz and Ramsey look well balanced and when we play with a wide player on the right, whichever three from those four are picked have done well as well.

Dendoncker covers Kamara and Luiz, but we don't really have anyone who can play the roles McGinn and Ramsey play, so cover might be needed there.  Funnily enough, those roles might suit Sanson, but think we have probably seen the last of him.

I agree, we definitely need higher level cover in midfield. Dendonker 'does a job' but he's not good enough.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: JJ-AV on April 12, 2023, 07:08:44 AM
Phillips is quality. The only player I've seen do a proper job on Villa's Grealish (post Dean coming in).

Also, he is really good higher up the pitch, winnning it high and releasing it quick (how he played in the Euros). We need depth now, he, Luiz and Kamara for two slots feels very strong to me. England regular too.

AWB feels like an Emery player too. I like Cash but he does have a tendency to be rash and get caught with a long diagonal over the top.

Know nothing about Salisu.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 12, 2023, 07:12:03 AM
Quote from: JJ-AV on April 12, 2023, 07:08:44 AM
Phillips is quality. The only player I've seen do a proper job on Villa's Grealish (post Dean coming in).

Also, he is really good higher up the pitch, winnning it high and releasing it quick (how he played in the Euros).


How long ago was that?
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Gareth on April 12, 2023, 07:33:54 AM
Quote from: JJ-AV on April 12, 2023, 07:08:44 AM
Phillips is quality. The only player I've seen do a proper job on Villa's Grealish (post Dean coming in).

Also, he is really good higher up the pitch, winnning it high and releasing it quick (how he played in the Euros). We need depth now, he, Luiz and Kamara for two slots feels very strong to me. England regular too.

AWB feels like an Emery player too. I like Cash but he does have a tendency to be rash and get caught with a long diagonal over the top.

Know nothing about Salisu.

Phillips injury record since the Euros is a massive red flag….sure Unai will have plenty of other options from Europe who are comparable ability wise.

Wan-Bissaka is a decent call, sure right back is a position we will look at

Salisu was highly rated earlier in season (in a truly dreadful side)  but sure I’ve read that he has been left out recently because of his attitude…if that’s the case he can stay and stink them out.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: brontebilly on April 12, 2023, 09:07:36 AM
Quote from: Drummond on April 11, 2023, 12:43:54 PM
Aaron Wan Bissaka at Man Utd being watched apparently.....

So too Mohammed Salisu at Southampton..

AWB is awful, Carlos Cuellar was more comfortable on the ball. Hope there is no truth in that link.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: chrisw1 on April 12, 2023, 09:33:54 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on April 12, 2023, 12:53:27 AM
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on April 11, 2023, 04:19:20 PM
Luiz, SJM and Kamara are all doing fine for us.  If one or more of them could up their goals scored a bit it would be great.  If we can find someone, for sake of argument JWP, who is as good and scores goals then they have to be considered.

That's the thing.  When we play the flat four across the midfield, McGinn, Kamara, Luiz and Ramsey look well balanced and when we play with a wide player on the right, whichever three from those four are picked have done well as well.

Dendoncker covers Kamara and Luiz, but we don't really have anyone who can play the roles McGinn and Ramsey play, so cover might be needed there.  Funnily enough, those roles might suit Sanson, but think we have probably seen the last of him.
Luiz is very good in that role and I think Kamara could be too.  So would Guendouzi, that's why I feel he'd be such a good signing, we'd have three very versatile midfielders giving cover for both positions.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: LeeB on April 12, 2023, 09:59:21 AM
Quote from: brontebilly on April 12, 2023, 09:07:36 AM
Quote from: Drummond on April 11, 2023, 12:43:54 PM
Aaron Wan Bissaka at Man Utd being watched apparently.....

So too Mohammed Salisu at Southampton..

AWB is awful, Carlos Cuellar was more comfortable on the ball. Hope there is no truth in that link.

He's been getting games there, cost them £50m and will be on Man Utd wages. I don't see much value to be had there.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Chris Smith on April 12, 2023, 10:02:24 AM
Quote from: brontebilly on April 12, 2023, 09:07:36 AM
Quote from: Drummond on April 11, 2023, 12:43:54 PM
Aaron Wan Bissaka at Man Utd being watched apparently.....

So too Mohammed Salisu at Southampton..

AWB is awful, Carlos Cuellar was more comfortable on the ball. Hope there is no truth in that link.

He’s a decent defender, quick and strong in the tackle, but going forward he doesn’t fit the Emery way at all.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: hilts_coolerking on April 12, 2023, 10:19:41 AM
I don't rate AWB at all.  It's all about ability going forward with full backs these days and he doesn't have an ounce of it.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: OCD on April 12, 2023, 10:28:29 AM
Emery does seem to like having a bit of an asymmetrical shape...Moreno bombing down the left but the right back being more disciplined and making a back 3 at times.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: chrisw1 on April 12, 2023, 10:31:07 AM
Quote from: OCD on April 12, 2023, 10:28:29 AM
Emery does seem to like having a bit of an asymmetrical shape...Moreno bombing down the left but the right back being more disciplined and making a back 3 at times.
I was going to mention this but I've got my work cut out elsewhere and didn't want to open another front.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: paul_e on April 12, 2023, 10:39:53 AM
What I'd quite like is for us to add a few options so we can flip that shape, rather than ones that push us further down the same tactic.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: chrisw1 on April 12, 2023, 10:50:12 AM
Quote from: paul_e on April 12, 2023, 10:39:53 AM
What I'd quite like is for us to add a few options so we can flip that shape, rather than ones that push us further down the same tactic.
Also agree with this. 
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: OCD on April 12, 2023, 10:55:57 AM
Yeah, ideally we would have one attack-minded right back, one that's more defensive and same again on the other side and repeat that further up the pitch.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: SamTheMouse on April 12, 2023, 11:05:28 AM
I still think Emery will look to Spain for players used to the slower possession-based style. We can expect more like Moreno.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 12, 2023, 11:06:12 AM
Quote from: SamTheMouse on April 12, 2023, 11:05:28 AM
I still think Emery will look to Spain for players used to the slower possession-based style. We can expect more like Moreno.

I definitely think he will.

I remember vinnie on here saying he really, really wanted Pau Torres. That wouldn't surprise me at all.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: LeeB on April 12, 2023, 11:49:59 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 12, 2023, 11:06:12 AM
Quote from: SamTheMouse on April 12, 2023, 11:05:28 AM
I still think Emery will look to Spain for players used to the slower possession-based style. We can expect more like Moreno.

I definitely think he will.

I remember vinnie on here saying he really, really wanted Pau Torres. That wouldn't surprise me at all.

I hope he doesn't push too hard at that deal.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Dave on April 12, 2023, 12:20:10 PM
Quote from: LeeB on April 12, 2023, 11:49:59 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 12, 2023, 11:06:12 AM
Quote from: SamTheMouse on April 12, 2023, 11:05:28 AM
I still think Emery will look to Spain for players used to the slower possession-based style. We can expect more like Moreno.

I definitely think he will.

I remember vinnie on here saying he really, really wanted Pau Torres. That wouldn't surprise me at all.

I hope he doesn't push too hard at that deal.

I wouldn't worry, the man is in command.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Tayls_7 on April 12, 2023, 01:07:43 PM
Quote from: Dave on April 12, 2023, 12:20:10 PM
Quote from: LeeB on April 12, 2023, 11:49:59 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 12, 2023, 11:06:12 AM
Quote from: SamTheMouse on April 12, 2023, 11:05:28 AM
I still think Emery will look to Spain for players used to the slower possession-based style. We can expect more like Moreno.

I definitely think he will.

I remember vinnie on here saying he really, really wanted Pau Torres. That wouldn't surprise me at all.

I hope he doesn't push too hard at that deal.

I wouldn't worry, the man is in command.

You can tell he gives his heart and soul to the job.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 12, 2023, 04:10:59 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on April 12, 2023, 09:07:36 AM
Quote from: Drummond on April 11, 2023, 12:43:54 PM
Aaron Wan Bissaka at Man Utd being watched apparently.....

So too Mohammed Salisu at Southampton..

AWB is awful, Carlos Cuellar was more comfortable on the ball. Hope there is no truth in that link.

From what I’ve seen he is an excellent defender but not great bombing forward so would suit the current lopsided tactics where the right back rarely goes forward.

The big question is whether he is comfortable on the ball and can pick the right passes.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 12, 2023, 04:15:51 PM
Quote from: paul_e on April 12, 2023, 10:39:53 AM
What I'd quite like is for us to add a few options so we can flip that shape, rather than ones that push us further down the same tactic.

I agree with this which make me wonder why he’s doesn’t persevere with cash as he can do both (just a bit inconsistent).  Buendia will help as he can play (narrow) right and left.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: SteveN on April 12, 2023, 04:54:39 PM
If we have one big transfer in us, say £50M I would like it to be Samuel Chukwueze.  Think he would be a terrific addition to our attack.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: LeeB on April 12, 2023, 05:07:40 PM
Quote from: SteveN on April 12, 2023, 04:54:39 PM
If we have one big transfer in us, say £50M I would like it to be Samuel Chukwueze.  Think he would be a terrific addition to our attack.

Yep, watched his two goals against Madrid the weekend and thought that.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Villa in Denmark on April 12, 2023, 05:13:24 PM
I've watched quite a bit of La Liga this season and he almost always stands out if Villarreal are on.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: brontebilly on April 12, 2023, 05:25:31 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on April 12, 2023, 04:10:59 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on April 12, 2023, 09:07:36 AM
Quote from: Drummond on April 11, 2023, 12:43:54 PM
Aaron Wan Bissaka at Man Utd being watched apparently.....

So too Mohammed Salisu at Southampton..

AWB is awful, Carlos Cuellar was more comfortable on the ball. Hope there is no truth in that link.

From what I’ve seen he is an excellent defender but not great bombing forward so would suit the current lopsided tactics where the right back rarely goes forward.

The big question is whether he is comfortable on the ball and can pick the right passes.

I've watched quite a bit of him. He's decent at man marking quick players like Raheem Sterling or Zaha but he's a very average defender. Good defenders don't need to go to ground constantly like he does or even the way Cash still does a bit. Has zero awareness of threats in around him, gets constantly beaten by crosses to the back post. Grealish used destroy him regularly as he has no football intelligence. Also utterly rubbish on the ball. He's another poster boy for reckless overspending on young English players. Summary, I think he's sh*t 😄
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: frank black on April 12, 2023, 05:30:33 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on April 12, 2023, 05:25:31 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on April 12, 2023, 04:10:59 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on April 12, 2023, 09:07:36 AM
Quote from: Drummond on April 11, 2023, 12:43:54 PM
Aaron Wan Bissaka at Man Utd being watched apparently.....

So too Mohammed Salisu at Southampton..

AWB is awful, Carlos Cuellar was more comfortable on the ball. Hope there is no truth in that link.

From what I’ve seen he is an excellent defender but not great bombing forward so would suit the current lopsided tactics where the right back rarely goes forward.

The big question is whether he is comfortable on the ball and can pick the right passes.

I've watched quite a bit of him. He's decent at man marking quick players like Raheem Sterling or Zaha but he's a very average defender. Good defenders don't need to go to ground constantly like he does or even the way Cash still does a bit. Has zero awareness of threats in around him, gets constantly beaten by crosses to the back post. Grealish used destroy him regularly as he has no football intelligence. Also utterly rubbish on the ball. He's another poster boy for reckless overspending on young English players. Summary, I think he's sh*t 😄

I’d say that’s a fair summary.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: LeeB on April 12, 2023, 05:30:40 PM
I just don't see us buying a player like that. He's cost a lot in transfer and wages and there's question marks over his ability, much more likely to pay a fraction for some young Spannish/Potuguese lad that turns out to be sensational.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: RamboandBruno on April 12, 2023, 05:56:40 PM
Quote from: LeeB on April 12, 2023, 05:30:40 PM
I just don't see us buying a player like that. He's cost a lot in transfer and wages and there's question marks over his ability, much more likely to pay a fraction for some young Spannish/Potuguese lad that turns out to be sensational.

Exactly, as much as I’ve banged on about Harvey Barnes, its much more likely to be players Emery wants, that a good proportion of us don’t know a lot about. I’d say there was a lot that had never heard of Alex Moreno.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: SamTheMouse on April 12, 2023, 09:22:44 PM
Quote from: SteveN on April 12, 2023, 04:54:39 PM
If we have one big transfer in us, say £50M I would like it to be Samuel Chukwueze.  Think he would be a terrific addition to our attack.

Yes please.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: tomd2103 on April 13, 2023, 01:35:53 AM
Everything we've heard about Unai Emery so far suggests he is meticulous when it comes to detail, so I imagine that he already has players in mind and probably has for some time.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: chrisw1 on April 13, 2023, 09:06:44 AM
Quote from: LeeB on April 12, 2023, 05:30:40 PM
I just don't see us buying a player like that. He's cost a lot in transfer and wages and there's question marks over his ability, much more likely to pay a fraction for some young Spannish/Potuguese lad that turns out to be sensational.
I'd be surprised if we buy any PL based players.  The price premium just isn't worth it, particularly when we have a manager with such wide European knowledge.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: LeeB on April 13, 2023, 09:13:41 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on April 13, 2023, 09:06:44 AM
Quote from: LeeB on April 12, 2023, 05:30:40 PM
I just don't see us buying a player like that. He's cost a lot in transfer and wages and there's question marks over his ability, much more likely to pay a fraction for some young Spannish/Potuguese lad that turns out to be sensational.
I'd be surprised if we buy any PL based players.  The price premium just isn't worth it, particularly when we have a manager with such wide European knowledge.

Me too Chris, although I think we'll have a nibble at Zaha on a free from Palace.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: chrisw1 on April 13, 2023, 09:18:06 AM
Quote from: LeeB on April 13, 2023, 09:13:41 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on April 13, 2023, 09:06:44 AM
Quote from: LeeB on April 12, 2023, 05:30:40 PM
I just don't see us buying a player like that. He's cost a lot in transfer and wages and there's question marks over his ability, much more likely to pay a fraction for some young Spannish/Potuguese lad that turns out to be sensational.
I'd be surprised if we buy any PL based players.  The price premium just isn't worth it, particularly when we have a manager with such wide European knowledge.

Me too Chris, although I think we'll have a nibble at Zaha on a free from Palace.
He would improve us massively tbf.  I imagine he'll be looking for a CL club, but whether they're looking for him is another matter.  But leaving his beloved Palace on a free, I'm not sure he'd see us as a big enough step up.  He'd be wrong of course.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: LeeB on April 13, 2023, 09:24:41 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on April 13, 2023, 09:18:06 AM
Quote from: LeeB on April 13, 2023, 09:13:41 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on April 13, 2023, 09:06:44 AM
Quote from: LeeB on April 12, 2023, 05:30:40 PM
I just don't see us buying a player like that. He's cost a lot in transfer and wages and there's question marks over his ability, much more likely to pay a fraction for some young Spannish/Potuguese lad that turns out to be sensational.
I'd be surprised if we buy any PL based players.  The price premium just isn't worth it, particularly when we have a manager with such wide European knowledge.

Me too Chris, although I think we'll have a nibble at Zaha on a free from Palace.
He would improve us massively tbf.  I imagine he'll be looking for a CL club, but whether they're looking for him is another matter.  But leaving his beloved Palace on a free, I'm not sure he'd see us as a big enough step up.  He'd be wrong of course.

The other factor in our favour is the manager, which is true of any player but particularly as he was desperate to sign him at Arsenal.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: chrisw1 on April 13, 2023, 09:33:26 AM
You've got my hopes up now.  The more I think about it the more it makes sense.  Obviously, age and wages are an issue, but in terms of ready made player to help us kick on in the short term he seems ideal.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: LeeB on April 13, 2023, 09:36:26 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on April 13, 2023, 09:33:26 AM
You've got my hopes up now.  The more I think about it the more it makes sense.  Obviously, age and wages are an issue, but in terms of ready made player to help us kick on in the short term he seems ideal.

Yeah, him in the Bailey role would make a significant difference. Plus him at one end and Emi at the other would drive most opposition supporters mad.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Risso on April 13, 2023, 09:37:22 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on April 13, 2023, 09:33:26 AM
You've got my hopes up now.  The more I think about it the more it makes sense.  Obviously, age and wages are an issue, but in terms of ready made player to help us kick on in the short term he seems ideal.

Yep agreed. He's got tons of ability and can play anywhere along the front line, so isn't going to hinder Ollie's continued progress. Playing in a 4-4-2 he'd be miles better than Bailey, and in a front three which we haven't really seen much of yet under Emery, he'd be excellent as well.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: chrisw1 on April 13, 2023, 09:53:52 AM
And his versatility would give us vital cover for the main striker role if Ollie picks up a knock. 

The shithousery is a bonus.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: chrisw1 on April 13, 2023, 09:57:47 AM
But I bet he'll want a 5 year contract at £150k pw.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Baldy on April 13, 2023, 10:00:28 AM
Mane or Sane from Bayern?

Read they had blows after last nights match!! I would take either.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Rigadon on April 13, 2023, 12:24:42 PM
Can see Saha at Newcastle.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Dave on April 13, 2023, 12:54:19 PM
Quote from: Rigadon on April 13, 2023, 12:24:42 PM
Can see Saha at Newcastle.

Reckon he's probably a bit past it.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on April 13, 2023, 01:04:03 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on April 13, 2023, 09:06:44 AM
Quote from: LeeB on April 12, 2023, 05:30:40 PM
I just don't see us buying a player like that. He's cost a lot in transfer and wages and there's question marks over his ability, much more likely to pay a fraction for some young Spannish/Potuguese lad that turns out to be sensational.
I'd be surprised if we buy any PL based players.  The price premium just isn't worth it, particularly when we have a manager with such wide European knowledge.

If his ability in the transfer market (i.e. identifying attainable quality at a good price) is up to the standards of everything else we've seen from him so far we could be in for very exciting times.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: eamonn on April 13, 2023, 02:22:59 PM
Quote from: Baldy on April 13, 2023, 10:00:28 AM
Mane or Sane from Bayern?

Read they had blows after last nights match!! I would take either.

Mane, Sane
Main, insane
Just who will love Aladdin Sane?
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: chrisw1 on April 13, 2023, 02:42:41 PM
Quote from: Dave on April 13, 2023, 12:54:19 PM
Quote from: Rigadon on April 13, 2023, 12:24:42 PM
Can see Saha at Newcastle.

Reckon he's probably a bit past it.
Yeah he's shit.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: eamonn on April 13, 2023, 02:51:51 PM
Always well-dressed when he covers Fulham or ManYoo for Sky, though.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 13, 2023, 05:01:12 PM
Quote from: LeeB on April 13, 2023, 09:13:41 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on April 13, 2023, 09:06:44 AM
Quote from: LeeB on April 12, 2023, 05:30:40 PM
I just don't see us buying a player like that. He's cost a lot in transfer and wages and there's question marks over his ability, much more likely to pay a fraction for some young Spannish/Potuguese lad that turns out to be sensational.
I'd be surprised if we buy any PL based players.  The price premium just isn't worth it, particularly when we have a manager with such wide European knowledge.

Me too Chris, although I think we'll have a nibble at Zaha on a free from Palace.

That would be a great signing.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Smithy on April 13, 2023, 05:26:06 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on April 13, 2023, 09:57:47 AM
But I bet he'll want a 5-year contract at £150k pw.

Yep, unfortunately. A proven premier league performer, who probably has two or three decent years left in him. However, on a free, and on his last big contract, his wages would be astronomical - and he probably would want five years. If Newcastle make the top four he's pretty much nailed on for them I would think.

A very good player, and he'd improve us - but he doesn't feel like a very "Villa" signing under the current regime.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: eamonn on April 13, 2023, 06:01:13 PM
Depends. If Emery coveted him at Arsenal, maybe he still does. I think Zaha will feel he's too good for us anyway.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 13, 2023, 06:51:41 PM
He'll be free, too, don't forget.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: OCD on April 13, 2023, 09:22:28 PM
Quote from: eamonn on April 13, 2023, 06:01:13 PM
Depends. If Emery coveted him at Arsenal, maybe he still does. I think Zaha will feel he's too good for us anyway.

The Story is that when he was at Arsenal, Emery pushed the club to sign Zaha and instead, they chose to sign Nicolas Pépé. 
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: tomd2103 on April 14, 2023, 01:58:16 AM
Brennan Johnson might be a good fit in the summer.  Would come in as second choice to Watkins, but would challenge him as well.  Could also offer the option of playing out wide as well.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: LeonW on April 14, 2023, 02:14:59 AM
Zaha is on the decline and as a free agent, his wages would be enormous. One to avoid, useful player though he can be.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: PeterWithe on April 14, 2023, 11:30:53 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on April 14, 2023, 01:58:16 AM
Brennan Johnson might be a good fit in the summer.  Would come in as second choice to Watkins, but would challenge him as well.  Could also offer the option of playing out wide as well.

Cant say I was in any way impressed with him last week, I’d prefer to promote one of the kids.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: OCD on April 14, 2023, 11:58:25 AM
I thought our pay ceiling was £120k/week but I saw something that said we're paying £160k/week (madness). Either way, I don't see us smashing our pay structure to bring Zaha in on a free.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: KevinGage on April 14, 2023, 12:19:09 PM
If we qualify for Europe it would say to Zaha (or a player of similar age) that we are on the move now as a club.

Not some distant point in the next few years.

Without that, I don't see it.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: curiousorange on April 14, 2023, 12:25:01 PM
160k a week is obscene, but when the likes of City and United are touted as paying three times that for a player, you'll have to accept a rocketing wage bill is part of the price for greater success.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 14, 2023, 12:53:51 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on April 14, 2023, 11:30:53 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on April 14, 2023, 01:58:16 AM
Brennan Johnson might be a good fit in the summer.  Would come in as second choice to Watkins, but would challenge him as well.  Could also offer the option of playing out wide as well.

Cant say I was in any way impressed with him last week, I’d prefer to promote one of the kids.

I think Johnson looks tremendously talented. I think playing in a team that came to park the bus probably didn’t help.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Smithy on April 14, 2023, 02:29:06 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on April 14, 2023, 12:53:51 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on April 14, 2023, 11:30:53 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on April 14, 2023, 01:58:16 AM
Brennan Johnson might be a good fit in the summer.  Would come in as second choice to Watkins, but would challenge him as well.  Could also offer the option of playing out wide as well.

Cant say I was in any way impressed with him last week, I’d prefer to promote one of the kids.

I think Johnson looks tremendously talented. I think playing in a team that came to park the bus probably didn’t help.

He definitely looks talented, and his scoring record in the Championship was about the same as Archer's across his PNE and boro loans.  He's scoring goals in the Prem, in a struggling team, and that will be worth serious money - but I'd like to see if Cam can do that before we spend big money again on someone potentially very similar in age and ability.

If Forest go down, he will have plenty of suitors.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: eamonn on April 14, 2023, 02:56:09 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on April 14, 2023, 11:30:53 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on April 14, 2023, 01:58:16 AM
Brennan Johnson might be a good fit in the summer.  Would come in as second choice to Watkins, but would challenge him as well.  Could also offer the option of playing out wide as well.

Cant say I was in any way impressed with him last week, I’d prefer to promote one of the kids.

No, but Fulham fans will say Watkins was shit at Craven Cottage when we lost 3-0. They'd still bite our hands off at £40m for him (if they could afford to. When are they gonna finish work on that new stand? It's taking longer than the one behind the goal at the Bernabeu with the tarpaulin over it. Honestly, you can't get the personnel these days...).
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Hookeysmith on April 14, 2023, 03:20:27 PM
Going through premier teams and off the top of my head from the bottom up and with players that would instantly improve our first team

Southampton -  I have always thought that JWP was a one trick pony so no one else springs to mind

Leicester - Harvey Barnes would be an upgrade on Bailey - although consistency would likely to have to improve

Forest - Henderson would be a better back up keeper

Leeds - i feel Harrison would fit in on RH wide position - although expensive as just signed new contract

Wet Spam - Bowen is a no brainer and would be fabulous for us in Baileys position

Fulham- maybe a shout for Pereria

Brentford - if Watkins was not on fire i would be seriously want us to take Toney - looks a great goal scorer and a bit horrible to go with it

So 1st choice would be Bowen followed by Barnes
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Dave P on April 14, 2023, 03:21:02 PM
£150k/week for 3 years is £23.4m.  We've spent more then that on players and still had to pay them.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 14, 2023, 03:22:56 PM
I want us to do whatever Brighton are doing. Signing some brilliant players, many not well known and having them perform at a high level before selling them for a massive profit. We may want to hang on to one or two given our long term objectives but buying ready-made players at exorbitant prices isn’t sustainable.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: pablo_picasso on April 14, 2023, 03:28:38 PM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on April 14, 2023, 03:20:27 PM
Going through premier teams and off the top of my head from the bottom up and with players that would instantly improve our first team

Southampton -  I have always thought that JWP was a one trick pony so no one else springs to mind

Leicester - Harvey Barnes would be an upgrade on Bailey - although consistency would likely to have to improve

Forest - Henderson would be a better back up keeper

Leeds - i feel Harrison would fit in on RH wide position - although expensive as just signed new contract

Wet Spam - Bowen is a no brainer and would be fabulous for us in Baileys position

Fulham- maybe a shout for Pereria

Brentford - if Watkins was not on fire i would be seriously want us to take Toney - looks a great goal scorer and a bit horrible to go with it

So 1st choice would be Bowen followed by Barnes

I wouldn't mind Bella Kotchap from Southampton. Young, fast, strong defender.

Palhinha from Fulham might be a decent shout as the Dendonker replacement too.

I think most players to be looked at from clubs going down are their young potential. Nathan Tella, Livramento, etc...

Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 14, 2023, 03:52:08 PM
Kotchap sounds saucy
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: KevinGage on April 14, 2023, 03:54:15 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on April 14, 2023, 03:22:56 PM
I want us to do whatever Brighton are doing. Signing some brilliant players, many not well known and having them perform at a high level before selling them for a massive profit. We may want to hang on to one or two given our long term objectives but buying ready-made players at exorbitant prices isn’t sustainable.

Yes, but part of the reason why the Brighton model works so well is they sell their club as a finishing school. Players join with one eye on the next move.

We may have had one or two players think that in the past (Benteke and Gueye were open about it). But in general it's not a thing with us. Our managers will usually up more roadblocks re players departing and the fans kick off if a popular player moves.  For Brighton it's an accepted way of life.

That's not to say we can't learn from the metrics they (or Brentford etc) use when scouting a player.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: simboy on April 14, 2023, 03:55:48 PM
Lavia and Bazuno as back up from Southampton would be ok
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Smithy on April 14, 2023, 04:15:54 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on April 14, 2023, 03:54:15 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on April 14, 2023, 03:22:56 PM
I want us to do whatever Brighton are doing. Signing some brilliant players, many not well known and having them perform at a high level before selling them for a massive profit. We may want to hang on to one or two given our long term objectives but buying ready-made players at exorbitant prices isn’t sustainable.

Yes, but part of the reason why the Brighton model works so well is they sell their club as a finishing school. Players join with one eye on the next move.

We may have had one or two players think that in the past (Benteke and Gueye were open about it). But in general it's not a thing with us. Our managers will usually up more roadblocks re players departing and the fans kick off if a popular player moves.  For Brighton it's an accepted way of life.

That's not to say we can't learn from the metrics they (or Brentford etc) use when scouting a player.

Nobody REALLY wants us to do what Brighton does. Not really.  What they actually want is for us to find quality undervalued players who can play at the top end of the premier league, but not the selling bit.  No fan is going to be "happy" when we're selling our best DM to Spurs, or our best left-back to Chelsea, or our best winger to Arsenal.

The problem we have, is that VERY few of Brighton's successes were instantly successful from the very moment they appeared in the first team. And I'm not sure we are the sort of club that can allow our main purchases to "develop" in our side over time.  We need to be buying players who can play in the team almost straight away.  Developing players is more for the youth players, and the odd young punt like Duran.  Brighton can afford to give that time to players.

I also think Brighton's success is romanticised a little, for example Bissouma, Trossard and Curcurella were all £15-£20m signings. They weren't unknowns picked up for peanuts and turned into diamonds. Yes, they were all sold at a profit, but we made a bigger profit on Chuk Jnr than they did on Bissouma and Trossard.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Dave on April 14, 2023, 04:25:43 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on April 14, 2023, 03:54:15 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on April 14, 2023, 03:22:56 PM
I want us to do whatever Brighton are doing. Signing some brilliant players, many not well known and having them perform at a high level before selling them for a massive profit. We may want to hang on to one or two given our long term objectives but buying ready-made players at exorbitant prices isn’t sustainable.

Yes, but part of the reason why the Brighton model works so well is they sell their club as a finishing school. Players join with one eye on the next move.

Until we're winning trophies and finishing higher in the league than we have at any point in the last twenty five years, that's what players we sign will be doing as well.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: OCD on April 14, 2023, 04:39:18 PM
Quote from: Smithy on April 14, 2023, 04:15:54 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on April 14, 2023, 03:54:15 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on April 14, 2023, 03:22:56 PM
I want us to do whatever Brighton are doing. Signing some brilliant players, many not well known and having them perform at a high level before selling them for a massive profit. We may want to hang on to one or two given our long term objectives but buying ready-made players at exorbitant prices isn’t sustainable.

Yes, but part of the reason why the Brighton model works so well is they sell their club as a finishing school. Players join with one eye on the next move.

We may have had one or two players think that in the past (Benteke and Gueye were open about it). But in general it's not a thing with us. Our managers will usually up more roadblocks re players departing and the fans kick off if a popular player moves.  For Brighton it's an accepted way of life.

That's not to say we can't learn from the metrics they (or Brentford etc) use when scouting a player.

Nobody REALLY wants us to do what Brighton does. Not really.  What they actually want is for us to find quality undervalued players who can play at the top end of the premier league, but not the selling bit.  No fan is going to be "happy" when we're selling our best DM to Spurs, or our best left-back to Chelsea, or our best winger to Arsenal.

The problem we have, is that VERY few of Brighton's successes were instantly successful from the very moment they appeared in the first team. And I'm not sure we are the sort of club that can allow our main purchases to "develop" in our side over time.  We need to be buying players who can play in the team almost straight away.  Developing players is more for the youth players, and the odd young punt like Duran.  Brighton can afford to give that time to players.

I also think Brighton's success is romanticised a little, for example Bissouma, Trossard and Curcurella were all £15-£20m signings. They weren't unknowns picked up for peanuts and turned into diamonds. Yes, they were all sold at a profit, but we made a bigger profit on Chuk Jnr than they did on Bissouma and Trossard.

So really, we want our youth system to be more like Chelsea's youth system. Rather than our first team player development being like Brighton's. Having players come through, loaned out and then either moving into our first team squad or being sold for millions.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Dave on April 14, 2023, 05:07:39 PM
Quote from: Smithy on April 14, 2023, 04:15:54 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on April 14, 2023, 03:54:15 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on April 14, 2023, 03:22:56 PM
I want us to do whatever Brighton are doing. Signing some brilliant players, many not well known and having them perform at a high level before selling them for a massive profit. We may want to hang on to one or two given our long term objectives but buying ready-made players at exorbitant prices isn’t sustainable.

Yes, but part of the reason why the Brighton model works so well is they sell their club as a finishing school. Players join with one eye on the next move.

We may have had one or two players think that in the past (Benteke and Gueye were open about it). But in general it's not a thing with us. Our managers will usually up more roadblocks re players departing and the fans kick off if a popular player moves.  For Brighton it's an accepted way of life.

That's not to say we can't learn from the metrics they (or Brentford etc) use when scouting a player.

Nobody REALLY wants us to do what Brighton does. Not really.  What they actually want is for us to find quality undervalued players who can play at the top end of the premier league, but not the selling bit.  No fan is going to be "happy" when we're selling our best DM to Spurs, or our best left-back to Chelsea, or our best winger to Arsenal.

It's all relative though. Liverpool fans weren't "happy" when they were selling their best striker, best defensive midfielder and best attacking midfielder to Barcelona.

There is always going to be a food chain, and however good this version of us becomes, we're never going to find ourselves at the very top of it.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: LeeB on April 14, 2023, 05:12:57 PM
The other thing with Brighton is that their fans are a massive bunch of twats.

Might not be relevant to the conversation but it needs to be said.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Smithy on April 14, 2023, 05:34:00 PM
Quote from: Dave on April 14, 2023, 05:07:39 PM
Quote from: Smithy on April 14, 2023, 04:15:54 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on April 14, 2023, 03:54:15 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on April 14, 2023, 03:22:56 PM
I want us to do whatever Brighton are doing. Signing some brilliant players, many not well known and having them perform at a high level before selling them for a massive profit. We may want to hang on to one or two given our long term objectives but buying ready-made players at exorbitant prices isn’t sustainable.

Yes, but part of the reason why the Brighton model works so well is they sell their club as a finishing school. Players join with one eye on the next move.

We may have had one or two players think that in the past (Benteke and Gueye were open about it). But in general it's not a thing with us. Our managers will usually up more roadblocks re players departing and the fans kick off if a popular player moves.  For Brighton it's an accepted way of life.

That's not to say we can't learn from the metrics they (or Brentford etc) use when scouting a player.

Nobody REALLY wants us to do what Brighton does. Not really.  What they actually want is for us to find quality undervalued players who can play at the top end of the premier league, but not the selling bit.  No fan is going to be "happy" when we're selling our best DM to Spurs, or our best left-back to Chelsea, or our best winger to Arsenal.

It's all relative though. Liverpool fans weren't "happy" when they were selling their best striker, best defensive midfielder and best attacking midfielder to Barcelona.

There is always going to be a food chain, and however good this version of us becomes, we're never going to find ourselves at the very top of it.

Of course, no club is immune to losing their best players from time to time.  Man City will inevitably "lose" Haaland at some point in the next few years.  But it's not their intention.  It doesn't happen every year.  Brighton told three of their best players last summer.  The summer before that it was White to Arsenal and Burn to Newcastle. 

Can you imagine the meltdown on here if we sold HALF our first eleven over two summers, and replaced them with players in the £10-20m range that most of us hadn't heard of?

Brighton are VERY good at finding players in the £10-£20m range, who could be worth £30m+ after a year or two of experience in the premier league.  Would I like us to buy a few players like that? Of course. Do I think we should do more of it? Of course. Do I think it should become our primary aim with transfers? Absolutely not.  And I don't know how you get Brighton's success rate without it being your PRIMARY focus when buying players.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 14, 2023, 05:53:02 PM
I did say in my post that given our long term objectives we might want to hang on to certain players that maybe a club like Brighton will look to do. But you cannot deny that their scouting has unearthed some excellent players for not a lot, relative to the money being lashed around the PL today. We need to combine that approach with improve our academy output and when needed buying at the upper end of the market for finished products. We've done a piss poor job as a club of selling players for a profit over many years aside from a few notables. And as long as we are not at the top of the food chain, which let's be honest we likely neevr will be, we need to be able to sell at a profit more often than not.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 14, 2023, 06:21:25 PM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on April 14, 2023, 03:28:38 PM
Palhinha from Fulham might be a decent shout as the Dendonker replacement too.

Reports are linking him with both Liverpool and the Plastics for £60m! Fulham paid about £18m for him last summer. I never really rated him that highly at Sporting but he's one of those players that adapt to other leagues, the physicality of the PL obviously suits him and he's been superb for Fulham this season.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: pablo_picasso on April 14, 2023, 07:10:32 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on April 14, 2023, 06:21:25 PM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on April 14, 2023, 03:28:38 PM
Palhinha from Fulham might be a decent shout as the Dendonker replacement too.

Reports are linking him with both Liverpool and the Plastics for £60m! Fulham paid about £18m for him last summer. I never really rated him that highly at Sporting but he's one of those players that adapt to other leagues, the physicality of the PL obviously suits him and he's been superb for Fulham this season.

£60m?

Good player but hard pass at that price...

Let Liverpool show how frugal they are by not purchasing a Ferrari, but instead purchasing a Subaru Impreza for the price of a second hand Lamborghini...
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Smirker on April 14, 2023, 08:29:06 PM
The Donk has been here five minutes and we're talking about a replacement for him  ;D

Most pointless signing we've ever made?
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 14, 2023, 08:35:23 PM
Quote from: Smirker on April 14, 2023, 08:29:06 PM
The Donk has been here five minutes and we're talking about a replacement for him  ;D

Most pointless signing we've ever made?
Wayne Routledge says no.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on April 15, 2023, 12:56:54 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on April 14, 2023, 08:35:23 PM
Quote from: Smirker on April 14, 2023, 08:29:06 PM
The Donk has been here five minutes and we're talking about a replacement for him  ;D

Most pointless signing we've ever made?
Wayne Routledge says no.

DAFUQ? He played for us? That's completely bypassed me.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: eamonn on April 15, 2023, 02:36:21 AM
The Donk helped us hammer Brentford 4-0. More than Bosko Balaban or his Dad, Bob, ever managed.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: FatSam on April 15, 2023, 05:38:31 AM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on April 14, 2023, 03:22:56 PM
I want us to do whatever Brighton are doing. Signing some brilliant players, many not well known and having them perform at a high level before selling them for a massive profit. We may want to hang on to one or two given our long term objectives but buying ready-made players at exorbitant prices isn’t sustainable.
Agreed
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on April 15, 2023, 06:24:17 AM
Urgh, Danny Drinkwater
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Fasth56 on April 15, 2023, 08:41:06 AM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on April 15, 2023, 06:24:17 AM
Urgh, Danny Drinkwater

I'll see your Danny Drinkwater and raise you Habib Beye, 9 apps in 4 years
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 15, 2023, 09:40:05 AM
Quote from: LeeB on April 14, 2023, 05:12:57 PM
The other thing with Brighton is that their fans are a massive bunch of twats.

Might not be relevant to the conversation but it needs to be said.

Bunch of massive twats I’d say, not a massive bunch.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: JD on April 15, 2023, 09:46:27 AM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on April 15, 2023, 09:40:05 AM
Quote from: LeeB on April 14, 2023, 05:12:57 PM
The other thing with Brighton is that their fans are a massive bunch of twats.

Might not be relevant to the conversation but it needs to be said.

Very good Percy.

Bunch of massive twats I’d say, not a massive bunch.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: algy on April 15, 2023, 10:17:21 AM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on April 15, 2023, 12:56:54 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on April 14, 2023, 08:35:23 PM
Quote from: Smirker on April 14, 2023, 08:29:06 PM
The Donk has been here five minutes and we're talking about a replacement for him  ;D

Most pointless signing we've ever made?
Wayne Routledge says no.

DAFUQ? He played for us? That's completely bypassed me.
Two whole games in 2008. Weirdly, given my sporadic attendance this millennium, I saw him on his debut.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: curiousorange on April 15, 2023, 10:43:56 AM
Quote from: algy on April 15, 2023, 10:17:21 AM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on April 15, 2023, 12:56:54 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on April 14, 2023, 08:35:23 PM
Quote from: Smirker on April 14, 2023, 08:29:06 PM
The Donk has been here five minutes and we're talking about a replacement for him  ;D

Most pointless signing we've ever made?
Wayne Routledge says no.

DAFUQ? He played for us? That's completely bypassed me.
Two whole games in 2008. Weirdly, given my sporadic attendance this millennium, I saw him on his debut.

I actually saw him score, at Bescot in a preseason friendly.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 15, 2023, 10:52:06 AM
Wasnt it Brighton for whom, when they were on the verge of bankruptcy, there was some coordinated event with other clubs fans involving wearing shirts or something?
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 15, 2023, 10:53:32 AM
Have I just entirely invented that ^^^^ or did it happen?
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 15, 2023, 10:56:21 AM
Quote from: Fasth56 on April 15, 2023, 08:41:06 AM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on April 15, 2023, 06:24:17 AM
Urgh, Danny Drinkwater

I'll see your Danny Drinkwater and raise you Habib Beye, 9 apps in 4 years
£40k a week too for Beye
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 15, 2023, 11:17:27 AM
Just seen James Justin linked with Roma. Isn’t he equally adept - and to a decent standard - in both fullback positions?

Could be a good 2 for 1 signing if the price was right.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on April 17, 2023, 12:37:27 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 15, 2023, 10:53:32 AM
Have I just entirely invented that ^^^^ or did it happen?

I have tried googling relevant terms and found nowt. Not something I remember but my memory is shite.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: atomicjam on April 17, 2023, 12:47:56 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 15, 2023, 10:53:32 AM
Have I just entirely invented that ^^^^ or did it happen?

I think you are thinking of the Fans United day -

https://www.theleaguepaper.com/features/featured/7299/20-years-on-fans-united-when-football-came-together-to-help-save-brighton-hove-albion/

There were Villa fans there.

Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 17, 2023, 12:56:56 AM
Quote from: atomicjam on April 17, 2023, 12:47:56 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 15, 2023, 10:53:32 AM
Have I just entirely invented that ^^^^ or did it happen?

I think you are thinking of the Fans United day -

https://www.theleaguepaper.com/features/featured/7299/20-years-on-fans-united-when-football-came-together-to-help-save-brighton-hove-albion/

There were Villa fans there.



They relegated Hereford out of the league on the final day of the season. Hereford's captain, Dean Smith, moved to Orient during that summer, played for them for six seasons then after retiring he went back there as youth coach. If Hereford hadn't gone down he might have stayed with them and his subsequent career might have been a lot different.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on April 17, 2023, 01:03:57 AM
Quote from: atomicjam on April 17, 2023, 12:47:56 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 15, 2023, 10:53:32 AM
Have I just entirely invented that ^^^^ or did it happen?

I think you are thinking of the Fans United day -

https://www.theleaguepaper.com/features/featured/7299/20-years-on-fans-united-when-football-came-together-to-help-save-brighton-hove-albion/

There were Villa fans there.

Add 'googling ability' to what I am shite at.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Holte L2 on April 17, 2023, 11:58:47 AM
Quote from: curiousorange on April 15, 2023, 10:43:56 AM
Quote from: algy on April 15, 2023, 10:17:21 AM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on April 15, 2023, 12:56:54 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on April 14, 2023, 08:35:23 PM
Quote from: Smirker on April 14, 2023, 08:29:06 PM
The Donk has been here five minutes and we're talking about a replacement for him  ;D

Most pointless signing we've ever made?
Wayne Routledge says no.

DAFUQ? He played for us? That's completely bypassed me.
Two whole games in 2008. Weirdly, given my sporadic attendance this millennium, I saw him on his debut.

I actually saw him score, at Bescot in a preseason friendly.

Simon Dawkins says Hi!
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: Mister E on April 17, 2023, 02:02:30 PM
Quote from: Smithy on April 14, 2023, 05:34:00 PM

Brighton are VERY good at finding players in the £10-£20m range, who could be worth £30m+ after a year or two of experience in the premier league.  Would I like us to buy a few players like that? Of course. Do I think we should do more of it? Of course. Do I think it should become our primary aim with transfers? Absolutely not.  And I don't know how you get Brighton's success rate without it being your PRIMARY focus when buying players.
I'd say McGinn, Dougie, Konsa, Cash, Martinez and Watkins are examples where our investment would be doubled / tripled if we chose to sell in the summer(and, of course, in SJM case the multiple would be 15-20 times, perhaps).
We're not doing badly: I think I'd want to continue to see smart acquisitions AND a good return on our youth investment.
Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
Post by: astonvilla82 on April 17, 2023, 02:26:27 PM 
at the moment we have 'hijacked' Leeds United bid for young Hearts player James Wilson who was looking at the facilities at Bodymoor Heath,no wonder Mcginn upped his game on Saturday, trying to impress the lad 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: nigel on April 17, 2023, 07:33:17 PM
			

			

				Linked with Denzil Dumfries from Inter
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: enigma on April 17, 2023, 07:51:40 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Holte L2 on April 17, 2023, 11:58:47 AM
Quote from: curiousorange on April 15, 2023, 10:43:56 AM
Quote from: algy on April 15, 2023, 10:17:21 AM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on April 15, 2023, 12:56:54 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on April 14, 2023, 08:35:23 PM
Quote from: Smirker on April 14, 2023, 08:29:06 PM
The Donk has been here five minutes and we're talking about a replacement for him  ;D

Most pointless signing we've ever made? 
 Wayne Routledge says no.

DAFUQ? He played for us? That's completely bypassed me.
Two whole games in 2008. Weirdly, given my sporadic attendance this millennium, I saw him on his debut.

I actually saw him score, at Bescot in a preseason friendly.

Simon Dawkins says Hi!
Salifou might have said hello but no one's ever seen him so we'll never know.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: curiousorange on April 17, 2023, 08:19:35 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: nigel on April 17, 2023, 07:33:17 PM
Linked with Denzil Dumfries from Inter

Galloway wi'yer.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on April 17, 2023, 10:31:05 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: enigma on April 17, 2023, 07:51:40 PM
Quote from: Holte L2 on April 17, 2023, 11:58:47 AM
Quote from: curiousorange on April 15, 2023, 10:43:56 AM
Quote from: algy on April 15, 2023, 10:17:21 AM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on April 15, 2023, 12:56:54 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on April 14, 2023, 08:35:23 PM
Quote from: Smirker on April 14, 2023, 08:29:06 PM
The Donk has been here five minutes and we're talking about a replacement for him  ;D

Most pointless signing we've ever made? 
 Wayne Routledge says no.

DAFUQ? He played for us? That's completely bypassed me.
Two whole games in 2008. Weirdly, given my sporadic attendance this millennium, I saw him on his debut.

I actually saw him score, at Bescot in a preseason friendly.

Simon Dawkins says Hi!
Salifou might have said hello but no one's ever seen him so we'll never know.

Václav Drobný adds his "hello" to the list...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Richard E on April 17, 2023, 10:35:41 PM
			

			

				Well he would do if he wasn’t the late Vaclav Drobny
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on April 18, 2023, 01:10:40 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smithy on April 14, 2023, 04:15:54 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on April 14, 2023, 03:54:15 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on April 14, 2023, 03:22:56 PM
I want us to do whatever Brighton are doing. Signing some brilliant players, many not well known and having them perform at a high level before selling them for a massive profit. We may want to hang on to one or two given our long term objectives but buying ready-made players at exorbitant prices isn’t sustainable. 

Yes, but part of the reason why the Brighton model works so well is they sell their club as a finishing school. Players join with one eye on the next move. 

We may have had one or two players think that in the past (Benteke and Gueye were open about it). But in general it's not a thing with us. Our managers will usually up more roadblocks re players departing and the fans kick off if a popular player moves.  For Brighton it's an accepted way of life. 

That's not to say we can't learn from the metrics they (or Brentford etc) use when scouting a player. 

Nobody REALLY wants us to do what Brighton does. Not really.  What they actually want is for us to find quality undervalued players who can play at the top end of the premier league, but not the selling bit.  No fan is going to be "happy" when we're selling our best DM to Spurs, or our best left-back to Chelsea, or our best winger to Arsenal.

The problem we have, is that VERY few of Brighton's successes were instantly successful from the very moment they appeared in the first team. And I'm not sure we are the sort of club that can allow our main purchases to "develop" in our side over time.  We need to be buying players who can play in the team almost straight away.  Developing players is more for the youth players, and the odd young punt like Duran.  Brighton can afford to give that time to players.

I also think Brighton's success is romanticised a little, for example Bissouma, Trossard and Curcurella were all £15-£20m signings. They weren't unknowns picked up for peanuts and turned into diamonds. Yes, they were all sold at a profit, but we made a bigger profit on Chuk Jnr than they did on Bissouma and Trossard.

The problem with that model is if you are selling 3 of your best players every season and having to replace them, there is going to be a time when the replacements don't work out and you star slipping down the table.  Can see that happening at Brighton next season.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on April 18, 2023, 11:18:52 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Richard E on April 17, 2023, 10:35:41 PM
Well he would do if he wasn’t the late Vaclav Drobny

Really? 

I did not know that... 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dave.woodhall on April 18, 2023, 11:53:01 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pablo_picasso on April 18, 2023, 11:18:52 AM
Quote from: Richard E on April 17, 2023, 10:35:41 PM
Well he would do if he wasn’t the late Vaclav Drobny

Really? 

I did not know that... 

A skiing accident about ten years ago I believe. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Holte L2 on April 18, 2023, 12:23:00 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pablo_picasso on April 17, 2023, 10:31:05 PM
Quote from: enigma on April 17, 2023, 07:51:40 PM
Quote from: Holte L2 on April 17, 2023, 11:58:47 AM
Quote from: curiousorange on April 15, 2023, 10:43:56 AM
Quote from: algy on April 15, 2023, 10:17:21 AM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on April 15, 2023, 12:56:54 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on April 14, 2023, 08:35:23 PM
Quote from: Smirker on April 14, 2023, 08:29:06 PM
The Donk has been here five minutes and we're talking about a replacement for him  ;D

Most pointless signing we've ever made? 
 Wayne Routledge says no.

DAFUQ? He played for us? That's completely bypassed me.
Two whole games in 2008. Weirdly, given my sporadic attendance this millennium, I saw him on his debut.

I actually saw him score, at Bescot in a preseason friendly.

Simon Dawkins says Hi!
Salifou might have said hello but no one's ever seen him so we'll never know.

Václav Drobný adds his "hello" to the list...

I saw Salifou in the flesh away at Slavia Prague in 2009.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: CT Villan on April 18, 2023, 12:37:48 PM
			

			

				Jermaine Jenas is waving a big foam hand and is wanting his name added too !
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on April 18, 2023, 12:41:07 PM
			

			

				Borja Baston is up there with the most pointless signings of modern times. 16 minutes of game time as a sub over two games. I wonder how much he earned for that.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on April 18, 2023, 12:41:29 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: CT Villan on April 18, 2023, 12:37:48 PM
Jermaine Jenas is waving a big foam hand and is wanting his name added too !

I was there when Jenas was shot, still couldn't tell you where the shooter was located.

The whole of our midfield at the time were implicated though through their passing patterns:

"Back and to the left... back and to the left..."
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on April 18, 2023, 12:46:32 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on April 18, 2023, 12:41:07 PM
Borja Baston is up there with the most pointless signings of modern times. 16 minutes of game time as a sub over two games. I wonder how much he earned was paid for that.

Slight FTFY
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rigadon on April 18, 2023, 01:53:30 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on April 18, 2023, 12:41:29 PM
Quote from: CT Villan on April 18, 2023, 12:37:48 PM
Jermaine Jenas is waving a big foam hand and is wanting his name added too !

I was there when Jenas was shot, still couldn't tell you where the shooter was located.

The whole of our midfield at the time were implicated though through their passing patterns:

"Back and to the left... back and to the left..."

Made me laugh, very god work.  And made me revisit a certain Bill Hicks sketch.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on April 18, 2023, 02:21:09 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on April 18, 2023, 12:41:07 PM
Borja Baston is up there with the most pointless signings of modern times. 16 minutes of game time as a sub over two games. I wonder how much he earned for that.

Not that it means much but he got 22 in 40 in the Spanish second division last year.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on April 18, 2023, 02:22:38 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on April 18, 2023, 02:21:09 PM
Quote from: Risso on April 18, 2023, 12:41:07 PM
Borja Baston is up there with the most pointless signings of modern times. 16 minutes of game time as a sub over two games. I wonder how much he earned for that.

Not that it means much but he got 22 in 40 in the Spanish second division last year.

In Oviedo no less. Sounds like a nice life.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smithy on April 18, 2023, 02:26:21 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on April 18, 2023, 02:21:09 PM
Quote from: Risso on April 18, 2023, 12:41:07 PM
Borja Baston is up there with the most pointless signings of modern times. 16 minutes of game time as a sub over two games. I wonder how much he earned for that.

Not that it means much but he got 22 in 40 in the Spanish second division last year.

That's 21 more than Wesley got in the same division so far this year.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villafirst on April 19, 2023, 07:29:59 AM
			

			

				Looks like Alexis Mac Allister will be sought after with Liverpool reportedly after him. Perhaps the two Emi's could have a word in his ear should Villa be interested in him? I think he's a great player.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Duncan Shaw on April 19, 2023, 08:10:10 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smithy on April 18, 2023, 02:26:21 PM
Quote from: paul_e on April 18, 2023, 02:21:09 PM
Quote from: Risso on April 18, 2023, 12:41:07 PM
Borja Baston is up there with the most pointless signings of modern times. 16 minutes of game time as a sub over two games. I wonder how much he earned for that.

Not that it means much but he got 22 in 40 in the Spanish second division last year.

That's 21 more than Wesley got in the same division so far this year.
Is Wesley still ours? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: danno on April 19, 2023, 08:11:54 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Duncan Shaw on April 19, 2023, 08:10:10 AM
Quote from: Smithy on April 18, 2023, 02:26:21 PM
Quote from: paul_e on April 18, 2023, 02:21:09 PM
Quote from: Risso on April 18, 2023, 12:41:07 PM
Borja Baston is up there with the most pointless signings of modern times. 16 minutes of game time as a sub over two games. I wonder how much he earned for that.

Not that it means much but he got 22 in 40 in the Spanish second division last year.

That's 21 more than Wesley got in the same division so far this year.
Is Wesley still ours?

Yep. contract until June 2024
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on April 19, 2023, 12:12:24 PM
			

			

				Best getting Wesley back and the miracle man can turn him into prime Drogba 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on April 19, 2023, 12:14:33 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: john e on April 19, 2023, 12:12:24 PM
Best getting Wesley back and the miracle man can turn him into prime Drogba 

I'd settle for turning Coutinho into prime Coutinho.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on April 19, 2023, 12:25:08 PM
			

			

				As good as Emery is, not much he can do with a player who's routinely injured. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ADVILLAFAN on April 19, 2023, 12:54:30 PM
			

			

				Most pointless signing has to be that Portuguese GK, that only played against Colchester. We had too many loanees, so couldn't play him.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Hookeysmith on April 19, 2023, 01:37:19 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on April 19, 2023, 12:54:30 PM
Most pointless signing has to be that Portuguese GK, that only played against Colchester. We had too many loanees, so couldn't play him.

The one that saved a Pen?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on April 19, 2023, 01:39:26 PM
			

			

				Saw some online site linking us to Kyle Walker.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on April 19, 2023, 02:29:52 PM
			

			

				We've been linked with a few right backs...Dumfries, Walker, Walker-Pieters. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: curiousorange on April 19, 2023, 05:54:04 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on April 19, 2023, 02:29:52 PM
We've been linked with a few right backs...Dumfries, Walker, Walker-Pieters.

Dumfries-Walker, Dumfries-Peters, Walker-Walker...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on April 19, 2023, 06:08:55 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on April 19, 2023, 02:29:52 PM
We've been linked with a few right backs...Dumfries, Walker, Walker-Pieters.

Seen an article quoting a 40m price for Dumfries. Surely we wouldn't go near that. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on April 19, 2023, 10:09:42 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: tomd2103 on April 19, 2023, 01:39:26 PM
Saw some online site linking us to Kyle Walker.

Football outsider....should be on a banned list. Some dumb club like West Ham or Everton will sign Walker. Just had a dreadful cameo again tonight. He's finished. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 19, 2023, 10:40:47 PM
			

			

				Can we.be linked to Alphonso Davies please 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on April 19, 2023, 11:56:17 PM
			

			

				Stay away from that Up with Meccano Down with Lego chap at Bayern. He had another mare tonight.

 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave P on April 20, 2023, 06:27:18 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on April 19, 2023, 12:54:30 PM
Most pointless signing has to be that Portuguese GK, that only played against Colchester. We had too many loanees, so couldn't play him.

Sorry, it will bug me if I don’t correct you and say it was against Yeovil. Assuming you’re on about Moreira. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: FatSam on April 20, 2023, 07:08:25 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on April 19, 2023, 06:08:55 PM
Quote from: OCD on April 19, 2023, 02:29:52 PM
We've been linked with a few right backs...Dumfries, Walker, Walker-Pieters.

Seen an article quoting a 40m price for Dumfries. Surely we wouldn't go near that.
He’s a player I was hoping we could sign from PSV, but looks like he went to Inter for £14m two years ago, and hasn’t set the world alight. Yes, surely we wouldn’t be interested at £40m. He’s 26, so little resale value from a 4 year contract. There must be better value than that available. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 20, 2023, 07:55:30 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: FatSam on April 20, 2023, 07:08:25 AM
Quote from: Smirker on April 19, 2023, 06:08:55 PM
Quote from: OCD on April 19, 2023, 02:29:52 PM
We've been linked with a few right backs...Dumfries, Walker, Walker-Pieters.

Seen an article quoting a 40m price for Dumfries. Surely we wouldn't go near that.
He’s a player I was hoping we could sign from PSV, but looks like he went to Inter for £14m two years ago, and hasn’t set the world alight. Yes, surely we wouldn’t be interested at £40m. He’s 26, so little resale value from a 4 year contract. There must be better value than that available.

I’m no sage on European clubs and players but I heard on a podcast last night that Inter have the best right back in the world, currently injured, and thanks to Dumfries they haven’t missed him at all.

I’m sure Monty and/or someone else can correct me/fill me in on the deets.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LukeJames on April 20, 2023, 08:19:06 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on April 19, 2023, 10:40:47 PM
Can we.be linked to Alphonso Davies please
Poor mans Moreno.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on April 20, 2023, 08:42:54 AM
			

			

				Must say I thought Dumfries was the first choice!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on April 20, 2023, 09:49:38 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Monty on April 20, 2023, 08:42:54 AM
Must say I thought Dumfries was the first choice!

They play a back 3 don't they, which would make Dumfries first choice at Right Wingback.

I'd definitely take him, as I've said elsewhere I'd like us to develop the squad where we can flip what we're doing now with a very attacking RB and more conservative LB (and all the shuffling in midfield and attack that would come from that). To that end Dumfries has the pace and delivery to match Moreno and, at 27 is just about the right age to come in and be an immediate asset.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on April 20, 2023, 09:53:07 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on April 20, 2023, 09:49:38 AM
Quote from: Monty on April 20, 2023, 08:42:54 AM
Must say I thought Dumfries was the first choice!

They play a back 3 don't they, which would make Dumfries first choice at Right Wingback.

I'd definitely take him, as I've said elsewhere I'd like us to develop the squad where we can flip what we're doing now with a very attacking RB and more conservative LB (and all the shuffling in midfield and attack that would come from that). To that end Dumfries has the pace and delivery to match Moreno and, at 27 is just about the right age to come in and be an immediate asset.

That's a good point about the full backs. Imagine the utter panic we're going to cause teams next year when Emery has added 3 to 4 of his own players to the squad.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on April 20, 2023, 10:10:20 AM
			

			

				Cant wait.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on April 20, 2023, 10:37:58 AM
			

			

				What’s the problem with cash when he’s fit he’s a fantastic right back
Very similar to mereno on the other side
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Holte L2 on April 20, 2023, 10:49:26 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: john e on April 20, 2023, 10:37:58 AM
What’s the problem with cash when he’s fit he’s a fantastic right back
Very similar to mereno on the other side

Cash's defending leaves a lot to be desired. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on April 20, 2023, 10:56:48 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Holte L2 on April 20, 2023, 10:49:26 AM
Quote from: john e on April 20, 2023, 10:37:58 AM
What’s the problem with cash when he’s fit he’s a fantastic right back
Very similar to mereno on the other side

Cash's defending leaves a lot to be desired. 

I disagree. He seemed to be adjusting to Emery's methods as well as everybody else before he got injured with Poland. In his last four games, the only goal we conceded was the penalty against West Ham. He was superb against Palace and Bournemouth.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 20, 2023, 10:59:24 AM
			

			

				I think Cash just took longer to 'get it'. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on April 20, 2023, 11:01:23 AM
			

			

				He's still only 25 as well. He's an excellent athlete, and I don't think Barnes would have scored had he been up against Cash in the Leicester game for example.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on April 20, 2023, 11:05:27 AM
			

			

				Going forward he doesn't have the pace or tricks of Moreno and his delivery is nothing special. I wouldn't mind him as second-choice if Ashley Young is released but RB can defintely be upgraded. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on April 20, 2023, 11:09:08 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on April 20, 2023, 11:05:27 AM
Going forward he doesn't have the pace or tricks of Moreno and his delivery is nothing special. I wouldn't mind him as second-choice if Ashley Young is released but RB can defintely be upgraded. 

But the commonly held view about how Emery plays seems to be that it's one tricky full back surging forward and one who stays back and defends. I mean, I've no problem at all if we get another top notch right back in, as we'll then have Moreno and Digne, plus Cash and AN Other, which for me is the perfect balance. I just think Cash is certainly good enough to play his part.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on April 20, 2023, 11:18:13 AM
			

			

				I've been a bit disappointed with Cash as I think I've expected him to show more going forward since he joined, maybe as I had in mind all his assists and goals as a winger at Forest. 

I think he's still a decent option but that he needs younger competition than Young and someone who offers things he doesn't. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on April 20, 2023, 11:28:11 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 20, 2023, 10:59:24 AM
I think Cash just took longer to 'get it'. 

Not helped by going to the world cup
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on April 20, 2023, 11:58:40 AM
			

			

				His assist against Arsenal was excellent and shows what he's capable of. He's got the engine to get up and down the pitch, he just needs to not aimlessly hoof balls to nobody when he does get there. That's all eminently coachable. We can see that just about every member of the squad has increased their levels by 20%+ at least (with the exception of Bailey) so I can't see why Cash won't get there as well. 

In his last three games, Matty's passing completion stats were 89%, 93% and 88%. Compare that to earlier in the season when under Gerrard they were as low as 62% in some games. I'd say then, that Cash is showing signs of buying into Emery's total possession game, and his last three games before injury showed he was doing it very well.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on April 20, 2023, 12:00:34 PM
			

			

				Yeah, but it is easier to pass 5 yards to Konsa than it is to pump a 40 yarder to Watkins running towards the corner flag. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on April 20, 2023, 12:08:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on April 20, 2023, 09:49:38 AM
Quote from: Monty on April 20, 2023, 08:42:54 AM
Must say I thought Dumfries was the first choice!

They play a back 3 don't they, which would make Dumfries first choice at Right Wingback.

I'd definitely take him, as I've said elsewhere I'd like us to develop the squad where we can flip what we're doing now with a very attacking RB and more conservative LB (and all the shuffling in midfield and attack that would come from that). To that end Dumfries has the pace and delivery to match Moreno and, at 27 is just about the right age to come in and be an immediate asset.

Couldn't link to it yesterday, but here's an image from that Unai Emery article in the Athletic:

(https://cdn.theathletic.com/app/uploads/2023/04/17062328/2023-03-12-West-Ham-vs.-Aston-Villa-Pass-Network.png)

Looks to me, and I know this is no great revelation, that a huge propprotion of our attacking play right now is coming from that left hand side, and that Bailey is actually pretty effective when he gets the ball, but the way we're set up doesn't really suit him.

Could see RB being an area we bring someone in for, maybe at the expense of Matty Cash.  Just to bolster that right hand side a bit, so as others have said we can have that flexibility to target either the opponent's left wing or right wing based on which looks like it'll be the most fruitful.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SamTheMouse on April 20, 2023, 12:50:31 PM
			

			

				Cash is great, the only problem is his delivery in the final third. But if he's the 'defensive' full-back in any given game, he's going to be fine.

We just need a more attacking right back for games where we're starting Digne rather than Moreno on the left.

Although I suspect Digne might leave in the summer.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Nii Lamptey on April 20, 2023, 01:23:01 PM
			

			

				Cash has been so frustrating. I'm surprised that for a converted right midfielder/winger, his weakest aspect has been his crossing/delivery. 

He's hard as nails at the back, but seems to get a nose bleed when venturing forwards.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on April 20, 2023, 01:26:39 PM
			

			

				Yep, Cash needs to improve his delivery if he's going to have the same impact as Moreno, I like him but he needs to make more of the situations he finds himself in when he gets around the box.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on April 20, 2023, 01:27:49 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on April 20, 2023, 11:18:13 AM
I've been a bit disappointed with Cash as I think I've expected him to show more going forward since he joined, maybe as I had in mind all his assists and goals as a winger at Forest. 

I think he's still a decent option but that he needs younger competition than Young and someone who offers things he doesn't.

Our 2022 Supporter's Player of the Year..?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on April 20, 2023, 01:30:27 PM
			

			

				Seem to be strongly linked again today with Kang In Lee of Mallorca. We were first linked back in January but a deal of around €18m is being suggested to bring him to Unai’s revolution. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on April 20, 2023, 01:32:33 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on April 20, 2023, 01:30:27 PM
Seem to be strongly linked again today with Kang In Lee of Mallorca. We were first linked back in January but a deal of around €18m is being suggested to bring him to Unai’s revolution. 

He looks ok but he's a bit on the small side. Given we already have Buendia and Coutinho playing in similar areas I'd be a bit nervous about adding another short-arse.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on April 20, 2023, 02:22:19 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on April 20, 2023, 01:32:33 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on April 20, 2023, 01:30:27 PM
Seem to be strongly linked again today with Kang In Lee of Mallorca. We were first linked back in January but a deal of around €18m is being suggested to bring him to Unai’s revolution. 

He looks ok but he's a bit on the small side. Given we already have Buendia and Coutinho playing in similar areas I'd be a bit nervous about adding another short-arse.

Size won't matter under Emery I reckon. It will be a mix of attributes. Can he receive the ball, keep possession, pass the ball accurately, make runs off the ball and be coached. We've won 5 straight PL games without being big. Attitude, desire, overall positive mentality will be massive.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on April 20, 2023, 02:50:34 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on April 20, 2023, 02:22:19 PM
Quote from: paul_e on April 20, 2023, 01:32:33 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on April 20, 2023, 01:30:27 PM
Seem to be strongly linked again today with Kang In Lee of Mallorca. We were first linked back in January but a deal of around €18m is being suggested to bring him to Unai’s revolution. 

He looks ok but he's a bit on the small side. Given we already have Buendia and Coutinho playing in similar areas I'd be a bit nervous about adding another short-arse.

Size won't matter under Emery I reckon. It will be a mix of attributes. Can he receive the ball, keep possession, pass the ball accurately, make runs off the ball and be coached. We've won 5 straight PL games without being big. Attitude, desire, overall positive mentality will be massive.

You might be right but I'd just like someone who offers something a bit different to what we have if we add players where we already have a couple of good options. It's not about being big as such, rather just someone we can bring on if a team is being really physical and we're struggling to handle it.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 20, 2023, 05:11:31 PM
			

			

				I imagine Emery has been keeping an eye on Arsenal's Folarin Balogun who is ripping up the French League with Reims. He's only 21 but scored 18 goals and starting to look the real deal, he would have been at Arsenal when Emery was in charge. Apparently they are willing to sell him this summer.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on April 20, 2023, 05:13:50 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on April 20, 2023, 02:50:34 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on April 20, 2023, 02:22:19 PM
Quote from: paul_e on April 20, 2023, 01:32:33 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on April 20, 2023, 01:30:27 PM
Seem to be strongly linked again today with Kang In Lee of Mallorca. We were first linked back in January but a deal of around €18m is being suggested to bring him to Unai’s revolution. 

He looks ok but he's a bit on the small side. Given we already have Buendia and Coutinho playing in similar areas I'd be a bit nervous about adding another short-arse.

Size won't matter under Emery I reckon. It will be a mix of attributes. Can he receive the ball, keep possession, pass the ball accurately, make runs off the ball and be coached. We've won 5 straight PL games without being big. Attitude, desire, overall positive mentality will be massive.

You might be right but I'd just like someone who offers something a bit different to what we have if we add players where we already have a couple of good options. It's not about being big as such, rather just someone we can bring on if a team is being really physical and we're struggling to handle it.

In an ideal world we get that strong player that has all of the technical attributes he craves. My guess is though those players are either unearthed gems that might take a while to develop but mainly the types of player Man City hoover up and pay £70m for because they are just that good. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 20, 2023, 06:47:55 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on April 20, 2023, 01:30:27 PM
Seem to be strongly linked again today with Kang In Lee of Mallorca. We were first linked back in January but a deal of around €18m is being suggested to bring him to Unai’s revolution. 

I read something by Ashley Preece (I think) the other day saying Javier Garrido (me neither) the agent of a few players in Spain (inc this guy) was visiting Villa and Wolves this week.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on April 20, 2023, 06:59:33 PM
			

			

				I would love to take Neves off Wolves. Quality footballer and still only 26.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on April 20, 2023, 07:12:13 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on April 20, 2023, 06:59:33 PM
I would love to take Neves off Wolves. Quality footballer and still only 26.

Terrific player TV, good shout, if we could get him.  Likely to be expensive. 

Linked with Nico Williams but not sure how and where. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on April 20, 2023, 07:14:01 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on April 20, 2023, 07:12:13 PM
Linked with Nico Williams but not sure how and where. 

I imagine it's just the same rumours as we had in January resurfacing. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on April 20, 2023, 07:15:25 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on April 20, 2023, 10:56:48 AM
Quote from: Holte L2 on April 20, 2023, 10:49:26 AM
Quote from: john e on April 20, 2023, 10:37:58 AM
What’s the problem with cash when he’s fit he’s a fantastic right back
Very similar to mereno on the other side

Cash's defending leaves a lot to be desired. 

I disagree. He seemed to be adjusting to Emery's methods as well as everybody else before he got injured with Poland. In his last four games, the only goal we conceded was the penalty against West Ham. He was superb against Palace and Bournemouth.

Dreadful against Everton though, like even the basics of defending a standard cross field punt in his direction were too much. I think he has a bit of impressing to do with Emery. He was shite v West Ham too and Emery seemed to be visibly fuming with him. 

The benefit of a smaller squad is that he will definitely get more opportunities towards the end of the season. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ian. on April 20, 2023, 07:39:35 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on April 20, 2023, 07:12:13 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on April 20, 2023, 06:59:33 PM
I would love to take Neves off Wolves. Quality footballer and still only 26.

Terrific player TV, good shout, if we could get him.  Likely to be expensive. 

Linked with Nico Williams but not sure how and where. 

Definitely and he’d be great fit in the way we play. Very comfortable on the ball, can sit deep or very useful further up the pitch.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on April 20, 2023, 07:57:24 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ian. on April 20, 2023, 07:39:35 PM
Quote from: Steve67 on April 20, 2023, 07:12:13 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on April 20, 2023, 06:59:33 PM
I would love to take Neves off Wolves. Quality footballer and still only 26.

Terrific player TV, good shout, if we could get him.  Likely to be expensive. 

Linked with Nico Williams but not sure how and where. 

Definitely and he’d be great fit in the way we play. Very comfortable on the ball, can sit deep or very useful further up the pitch.

He doesn't really sit deep. He's very much a hug-the-touchline, beat-the-full-back winger. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on April 20, 2023, 08:13:03 PM
			

			

				I thought he was mainly a DM. He's one of these players that has eyes in the back of his head and knows the runs people are making without looking. He played a lovely pass in a game the other week (I think against Leeds). 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on April 20, 2023, 08:21:47 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on April 20, 2023, 08:13:03 PM
I thought he was mainly a DM. He's one of these players that has eyes in the back of his head and knows the runs people are making without looking. He played a lovely pass in a game the other week (I think against Leeds).

Neves sure, I thought the conversation had moved on to Williams.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on April 20, 2023, 08:25:48 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: villadelph on April 20, 2023, 01:27:49 PM
Quote from: eamonn on April 20, 2023, 11:18:13 AM
I've been a bit disappointed with Cash as I think I've expected him to show more going forward since he joined, maybe as I had in mind all his assists and goals as a winger at Forest. 

I think he's still a decent option but that he needs younger competition than Young and someone who offers things he doesn't.

Our 2022 Supporter's Player of the Year..?

Yeah...he wasn't mine! 
Decent attitude, works hard, good rapport with the fans...it was enough to win the day. We'll base it more on consistency of performance this year 😉
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on April 21, 2023, 09:23:27 AM
			

			

				Any hope of Grealish coming back? 😄
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on April 21, 2023, 09:29:28 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: brontebilly on April 21, 2023, 09:23:27 AM
Any hope of Grealish coming back? 😄

Hope? No, he can fuck off. I never thought I'd be desperate for Real Madrid, Arsenal and Sheffield United to win; not only to stop the cheats, but to wipe the smug look off his face. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AlexAlexCropley on April 21, 2023, 10:16:56 AM
			

			

				Shame Rakatic is 35, still classy
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on April 21, 2023, 10:26:28 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on April 21, 2023, 09:29:28 AM
Quote from: brontebilly on April 21, 2023, 09:23:27 AM
Any hope of Grealish coming back? 😄

Hope? No, he can fuck off. I never thought I'd be desperate for Real Madrid, Arsenal and Sheffield United to win; not only to stop the cheats, but to wipe the smug look off his face.

On the flip side, if they win the CL I'd expect Guardiola to leave and their team to break up a bit as a result, particularly if any of those charges against them can stick this time. Mind you, they will probably get in likes of Bellingham over the summer to replace Gundogan and be stronger again. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: nigel on April 21, 2023, 11:55:24 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: brontebilly on April 21, 2023, 10:26:28 AM
Quote from: Drummond on April 21, 2023, 09:29:28 AM
Quote from: brontebilly on April 21, 2023, 09:23:27 AM
Any hope of Grealish coming back? 😄

Hope? No, he can fuck off. I never thought I'd be desperate for Real Madrid, Arsenal and Sheffield United to win; not only to stop the cheats, but to wipe the smug look off his face.

On the flip side, if they win the CL I'd expect Guardiola to leave and their team to break up a bit as a result, particularly if any of those charges against them can stick this time. Mind you, they will probably get in likes of Bellingham over the summer to replace Gundogan and be stronger again.

I can see Haarland going, too. Maybe not next season, but the following season 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on April 21, 2023, 12:58:33 PM
			

			

				Reuben Neves looks to be a quality player. Aged 26 and 246 appearances for the YamYams in six seasons - so consistent and largely injury-free.

Though he will be sold for big money - if he goes - and with Kamara and Dougie we are arguably better off for DCMs than in other areas of the squad. Big Donk is decent-ish cover.

I know we need options, particularly if we qualify for Europe, though my expectation would be 2 or 3 players coming in for big fees, e.g., £30m+ and if that is the case, I'm not sure I would see a DCM as one of top three priorities to bring in for that kind of fee. UTV.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Axl Rose on April 21, 2023, 01:01:47 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on April 21, 2023, 09:29:28 AM
Quote from: brontebilly on April 21, 2023, 09:23:27 AM
Any hope of Grealish coming back? 😄

Hope? No, he can fuck off. I never thought I'd be desperate for Real Madrid, Arsenal and Sheffield United to win; not only to stop the cheats, but to wipe the smug look off his face. 

Well said Drummond. 

I hope he picks up a niggly injury, just to keep him out for the rest of the season, misses all the games that they then lose. And win nothing. 

I hope to see him in full tracksuit with an arm around a dejected Foden, the chavvy prick, sometime soon.

A ****** playing for ******
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 21, 2023, 02:19:02 PM
			

			

				Big Nose, Wolves are asking £40m for Neves with both Man Utd and Liverpool said to be interested. I very rarely watch Wolves games but for Portugal I always think he's not quite at the level of his teammates. He's great when you need somebody to run around and kick people.

We were strongly rumoured in January with Porto's Otávio but I can't see that happening either. He's industrious, quick but at 1m72 he's a skinny version of Buendia, we need to think of Risso's health. Overpriced too. The great thing is Emery has had time to access the squad and by now probably knows exactly what he wants and most likely who.

Just to add, I'm normally extremely against appointing a new manager midseason but Emery has been the exception. If we'd brought him in last summer he'd have been cornered into bringing in new players without fully understanding what we already have.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on April 21, 2023, 02:21:33 PM
			

			

				When I look at players like Neves and Otavio I can see why we might be interested but I think I'd prefer us to go back for Guendouzi if we're signing someone like that.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 21, 2023, 02:23:22 PM
			

			

				Absolutely, Paul.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on April 21, 2023, 02:35:10 PM
			

			

				Percy agrees vociferously 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on April 21, 2023, 02:38:33 PM
			

			

				Thanks Rudy and paul_e.

I agree - Neves is not enough of an upgrade to two quality performers (Kamara and Dougie) to merit being a priority this summer. 

I think Guendouzi offers energy and, perhaps, the potential to cover a more advanced role as well as being a DCM. Plus if t'internet is to be believed, he would be cheaper than Neves. Perhaps 20-25m Euros.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 21, 2023, 02:51:19 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Russ aka Big Nose on April 21, 2023, 02:38:33 PM
I think Guendouzi offers energy and, perhaps, the potential to cover a more advanced role as well as being a DCM. Plus if t'internet is to be believed, he would be cheaper than Neves. Perhaps 20-25m Euros.

Reports today claim Newcastle are after him but I did like the quote they carried: 

'Guendouzi is a fan on the Villa gaffer, gushing praise on him after he guided Villarreal to the Europa League in 2021. "What a journey! This Football… so smart and elegant. You made the dream of an entire city, of a club, a team, and of all the fans come true!

“You did it! You know how to win trophies! Hats off Monsieur Emery. You are so unique.”

He added: “I am honored (sic) and proud to have had the opportunity to evolve by your side. Words will never be strong enough to qualify your personality, your benevolence and your authenticity in human relationships."

I'd hoped we'd made an agreement with Marseille back in January to sign him in the summer.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on April 21, 2023, 02:55:40 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on April 21, 2023, 02:51:19 PM
Quote from: Russ aka Big Nose on April 21, 2023, 02:38:33 PM
I think Guendouzi offers energy and, perhaps, the potential to cover a more advanced role as well as being a DCM. Plus if t'internet is to be believed, he would be cheaper than Neves. Perhaps 20-25m Euros.

Reports today claim Newcastle are after him but I did like the quote they carried: 

'Guendouzi is a fan on the Villa gaffer, gushing praise on him after he guided Villarreal to the Europa League in 2021. "What a journey! This Football… so smart and elegant. You made the dream of an entire city, of a club, a team, and of all the fans come true!

“You did it! You know how to win trophies! Hats off Monsieur Emery. You are so unique.”

He added: “I am honored (sic) and proud to have had the opportunity to evolve by your side. Words will never be strong enough to qualify your personality, your benevolence and your authenticity in human relationships."

I'd hoped we'd made an agreement with Marseille back in January to sign him in the summer.

If we're after him I'd be amazed if he doesn't come in, the level of respect he has for Emery is insane.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smithy on April 21, 2023, 03:01:39 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on April 21, 2023, 02:51:19 PM
Quote from: Russ aka Big Nose on April 21, 2023, 02:38:33 PM
I think Guendouzi offers energy and, perhaps, the potential to cover a more advanced role as well as being a DCM. Plus if t'internet is to be believed, he would be cheaper than Neves. Perhaps 20-25m Euros.

Reports today claim Newcastle are after him but I did like the quote they carried: 

'Guendouzi is a fan on the Villa gaffer, gushing praise on him after he guided Villarreal to the Europa League in 2021. "What a journey! This Football… so smart and elegant. You made the dream of an entire city, of a club, a team, and of all the fans come true!

“You did it! You know how to win trophies! Hats off Monsieur Emery. You are so unique.”

He added: “I am honored (sic) and proud to have had the opportunity to evolve by your side. Words will never be strong enough to qualify your personality, your benevolence and your authenticity in human relationships."

I'd hoped we'd made an agreement with Marseille back in January to sign him in the summer.

Jesus, I've heard wedding vows less gushing than that!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV82EC on April 21, 2023, 03:15:55 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smithy on April 21, 2023, 03:01:39 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on April 21, 2023, 02:51:19 PM
Quote from: Russ aka Big Nose on April 21, 2023, 02:38:33 PM
I think Guendouzi offers energy and, perhaps, the potential to cover a more advanced role as well as being a DCM. Plus if t'internet is to be believed, he would be cheaper than Neves. Perhaps 20-25m Euros.

Reports today claim Newcastle are after him but I did like the quote they carried: 

'Guendouzi is a fan on the Villa gaffer, gushing praise on him after he guided Villarreal to the Europa League in 2021. "What a journey! This Football… so smart and elegant. You made the dream of an entire city, of a club, a team, and of all the fans come true!

“You did it! You know how to win trophies! Hats off Monsieur Emery. You are so unique.”

He added: “I am honored (sic) and proud to have had the opportunity to evolve by your side. Words will never be strong enough to qualify your personality, your benevolence and your authenticity in human relationships."

I'd hoped we'd made an agreement with Marseille back in January to sign him in the summer.

Jesus, I've heard wedding vows less gushing than that!

Genuine lol. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on April 21, 2023, 03:28:32 PM
			

			

				Those Frenchies are so smooth with their feelings even when they're not being gay or 'owt.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 21, 2023, 03:34:09 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on April 21, 2023, 03:28:32 PM
Those Frenchies are so smooth with their feelings even when they're not being gay or 'owt.

And then there's Bad English, he has the shirts but there it ends.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: nigel on April 24, 2023, 08:10:48 PM
			

			

				Linking us with Andre Almeida from Valencia.
Used to play for Vitoria Guimaraes, our Portuguese team
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 24, 2023, 08:24:53 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: nigel on April 24, 2023, 08:10:48 PM
Linking us with Andre Almeida from Valencia.
Used to play for Vitoria Guimaraes, our Portuguese team

Us and Brighton said to be interested with €30m being the price, of which Guimaraes would get 30%. Right side midfielder, promising but not a straight in the first team signing.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on April 25, 2023, 11:22:50 AM
			

			

				I'm slightly worried by Kamara's injuries this season, so another driving force in midfield is needed I think.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on April 25, 2023, 12:34:43 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on April 25, 2023, 11:22:50 AM
I'm slightly worried by Kamara's injuries this season, so another driving force in midfield is needed I think.

Physically he looks too lightweight for a modern day footballer, but then when you watch him play is doesn't seem any kind of an issue.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on April 25, 2023, 12:44:03 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on April 25, 2023, 12:34:43 PM
Quote from: Risso on April 25, 2023, 11:22:50 AM
I'm slightly worried by Kamara's injuries this season, so another driving force in midfield is needed I think.

Physically he looks too lightweight for a modern day footballer, but then when you watch him play is doesn't seem any kind of an issue.
To be fair, I think most of the injuries have been from Bad tackles - I think the most recent one certainly was
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on April 25, 2023, 12:51:41 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Beard82 on April 25, 2023, 12:44:03 PM
Quote from: LeeB on April 25, 2023, 12:34:43 PM
Quote from: Risso on April 25, 2023, 11:22:50 AM
I'm slightly worried by Kamara's injuries this season, so another driving force in midfield is needed I think.

Physically he looks too lightweight for a modern day footballer, but then when you watch him play is doesn't seem any kind of an issue.
To be fair, I think most of the injuries have been from Bad tackles - I think the most recent one certainly was

But maybe this is the point - he's fierce and strong in the tackle, but does he have the physique to back it up? Does this get him injuries in the Premier League? He's young, it's okay, I'm sure he's getting bigger all the time, but I agree that we need a bit more in that position.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on April 25, 2023, 12:55:10 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on April 25, 2023, 12:34:43 PM
Quote from: Risso on April 25, 2023, 11:22:50 AM
I'm slightly worried by Kamara's injuries this season, so another driving force in midfield is needed I think.

Physically he looks too lightweight for a modern day footballer, but then when you watch him play is doesn't seem any kind of an issue.

Needs to build a bit more muscle during the pre season I think. That clogger from Palace hurt him with a bad tackle though. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brend'Watkins on April 25, 2023, 12:59:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Beard82 on April 25, 2023, 12:44:03 PM
Quote from: LeeB on April 25, 2023, 12:34:43 PM
Quote from: Risso on April 25, 2023, 11:22:50 AM
I'm slightly worried by Kamara's injuries this season, so another driving force in midfield is needed I think.

Physically he looks too lightweight for a modern day footballer, but then when you watch him play is doesn't seem any kind of an issue.
To be fair, I think most of the injuries have been from Bad tackles - I think the most recent one certainly was

Certainly that one was. It was fairly clear to me at the time he was instructed to get Kamara out of the game such was his influence. It’s the Viera way. Or rather, was.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on April 25, 2023, 01:01:28 PM
			

			

				Whatever the cause, if as I suspect may be the case he doesn't play again this season, he'll have missed half of it through injury. I'd therefore make sure we get at least one Gunedouzi type in. We've seen before with Grealish how over reliance on one player can scupper us.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on April 25, 2023, 01:06:53 PM
			

			

				We've done pretty ok since he got injured tbf. But we definitely need another option in that position 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on April 25, 2023, 01:14:09 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: coreyfeldman on April 25, 2023, 01:06:53 PM
We've done pretty ok since he got injured tbf. But we definitely need another option in that position 

We have, but like having Ollie as our only real forward, it's not a long term sustainable strategy.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on April 25, 2023, 01:15:21 PM
			

			

				If we know anything at all this management team led by Emery is intensely focused on every aspect of the club and playing squad. Heavily relying on analytics to drive their decisions. They will also go into evaluation of the current squad during and come the end of the season, and will guide our recruitment philosophy and tactics. I can't imagine they will not look at Kamara's propensity to miss games, or Diego's almost season long absence as examples and think we can only go into next season without high quality reinforcements. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Hookeysmith on April 25, 2023, 02:14:51 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brend'Watkins on April 25, 2023, 12:59:17 PM
Quote from: Beard82 on April 25, 2023, 12:44:03 PM
Quote from: LeeB on April 25, 2023, 12:34:43 PM
Quote from: Risso on April 25, 2023, 11:22:50 AM
I'm slightly worried by Kamara's injuries this season, so another driving force in midfield is needed I think.

Physically he looks too lightweight for a modern day footballer, but then when you watch him play is doesn't seem any kind of an issue.
To be fair, I think most of the injuries have been from Bad tackles - I think the most recent one certainly was

Certainly that one was. It was fairly clear to me at the time he was instructed to get Kamara out of the game such was his influence. It’s the Viera way. Or rather, was.

At the time i thought the tackle was that bad it was a season killer for him. I also agree Guendouzi and him playing for the shirt certainly strenghtens us
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on April 25, 2023, 02:18:53 PM
			

			

				I think I saw talks of a double swoop on Man City for Phillips and Walker.......
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on April 25, 2023, 02:32:35 PM
			

			

				when was the last time a premier league club completed a 'double swoop', out of interest. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on April 25, 2023, 02:37:19 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: coreyfeldman on April 25, 2023, 02:32:35 PM
when was the last time a premier league club completed a 'double swoop', out of interest.

Ironically it was Man City last season with Haaland and Akanji. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on April 25, 2023, 02:38:37 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: coreyfeldman on April 25, 2023, 02:32:35 PM
when was the last time a premier league club completed a 'double swoop', out of interest. 

Off the top of my head we got McCann and Sorensen around the same time from Sunderland.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on April 25, 2023, 02:41:35 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: coreyfeldman on April 25, 2023, 02:32:35 PM
when was the last time a premier league club completed a 'double swoop', out of interest.
Didnt Spurs buy 2 from Juve last season 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on April 25, 2023, 02:46:58 PM
			

			

				Yep.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on April 25, 2023, 02:48:10 PM
			

			

				they bought bantancur and loaned kulusevski didn't they?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 25, 2023, 02:52:13 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on April 25, 2023, 02:18:53 PM
I think I saw talks of a double swoop on Man City for Phillips and Walker.......

Risso won't be happy if we sign Kalvin Phillips and Kaile Walker.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on April 25, 2023, 03:01:57 PM
			

			

				Nor would I. But there's always a lot of stupid shit written, and I highly doubt they are Emery players
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brend'Watkins on April 25, 2023, 03:15:17 PM
			

			

				The most stupid is that we're in for Maguire. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on April 25, 2023, 03:37:34 PM
			

			

				That was just Collymore saying Emery and Maguire would be a 'match made in heaven'. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on April 25, 2023, 03:39:00 PM
			

			

				I'm definitely not adverse to Maguire starting on Sunday, give him the chance to show Emery what he can do
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on April 25, 2023, 03:41:27 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on April 25, 2023, 03:37:34 PM
That was just Collymore saying Emery and Maguire would be a 'match made in heaven'. 

I don't want Maguire at all, but the only tiny bit I might I'd agree with is he has turned Mings into someone who is highly trustworthy cutting out many of the same kinds of mental errors we see with Maguire. But I'd much sooner get the ready made stuff than have to rebuild Maguire's confidence.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 25, 2023, 03:48:22 PM
			

			

				I can see Slabhead going back to newly promoted Sheff Utd on loan, probably forever. Can't imagine anybody is stupid enough to part with money for him. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on April 25, 2023, 03:56:53 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on April 25, 2023, 03:41:27 PM
Quote from: OCD on April 25, 2023, 03:37:34 PM
That was just Collymore saying Emery and Maguire would be a 'match made in heaven'. 

I don't want Maguire at all, but the only tiny bit I might I'd agree with is he has turned Mings into someone who is highly trustworthy cutting out many of the same kinds of mental errors we see with Maguire. But I'd much sooner get the ready made stuff than have to rebuild Maguire's confidence.

Maguire does make errors but it's not what has caused him to be sidelined by them, the bigger problem is how vulnerable he is to smart movement and pace.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: astonvilla82 on April 25, 2023, 04:06:57 PM
			

			

				Friend who support Manchester United said he on about 150 thousand and would want about 40 million,why would anybody pay that for someone unwanted at the club, not one for the confidence thing but it looks like it with him 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 25, 2023, 04:54:38 PM
			

			

				The Plastics are looking to dump £60m Sancho too. Good luck with that one too.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: danno on April 25, 2023, 04:56:43 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on April 25, 2023, 04:54:38 PM
The Plastics are looking to dump £60m Sancho too. Good luck with that one too.

Lol, seems an age ago they were all crowing because they thought Sancho was better than that other guy Man City paid £100 million for.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on April 25, 2023, 05:26:14 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on April 25, 2023, 04:54:38 PM
The Plastics are looking to dump £60m Sancho too. Good luck with that one too.

I'd 100% go for him if that was the price.

He's a great player, more talent than most players in the PL.

Still very young as well. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Mister E on April 25, 2023, 06:48:23 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on April 25, 2023, 05:26:14 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on April 25, 2023, 04:54:38 PM
The Plastics are looking to dump £60m Sancho too. Good luck with that one too.

I'd 100% go for him if that was the price.

He's a great player, more talent than most players in the PL.

Still very young as well. 
I'd go for him at £20m.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 25, 2023, 07:00:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Mister E on April 25, 2023, 06:48:23 PM
Quote from: Smirker on April 25, 2023, 05:26:14 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on April 25, 2023, 04:54:38 PM
The Plastics are looking to dump £60m Sancho too. Good luck with that one too.

I'd 100% go for him if that was the price.

He's a great player, more talent than most players in the PL.

Still very young as well. 
I'd go for him at £20m.

Typical Yorhshireman. He cost £73m, he plays for Man Utd and England, still only 23..SOLD!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on April 25, 2023, 09:43:22 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: danno on April 25, 2023, 04:56:43 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on April 25, 2023, 04:54:38 PM
The Plastics are looking to dump £60m Sancho too. Good luck with that one too.

Lol, seems an age ago they were all crowing because they thought Sancho was better than that other guy Man City paid £100 million for.

They dropped some rick there. He would have gone there for definite too. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: TheMalandro on April 25, 2023, 09:45:45 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on April 25, 2023, 03:56:53 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on April 25, 2023, 03:41:27 PM
Quote from: OCD on April 25, 2023, 03:37:34 PM
That was just Collymore saying Emery and Maguire would be a 'match made in heaven'. 

I don't want Maguire at all, but the only tiny bit I might I'd agree with is he has turned Mings into someone who is highly trustworthy cutting out many of the same kinds of mental errors we see with Maguire. But I'd much sooner get the ready made stuff than have to rebuild Maguire's confidence.

Maguire does make errors but it's not what has caused him to be sidelined by them, the bigger problem is how vulnerable he is to smart movement and pace.
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on April 25, 2023, 07:00:17 PM
Quote from: Mister E on April 25, 2023, 06:48:23 PM
Quote from: Smirker on April 25, 2023, 05:26:14 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on April 25, 2023, 04:54:38 PM
The Plastics are looking to dump £60m Sancho too. Good luck with that one too.

I'd 100% go for him if that was the price.

He's a great player, more talent than most players in the PL.

Still very young as well. 
I'd go for him at £20m.

Typical Yorhshireman. He cost £73m, he plays for Man Utd and England, still only 23..SOLD!

Ha, true.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on April 26, 2023, 11:29:17 AM
			

			

				If we signed Maguire it would at least give Coady another chance for England.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on April 26, 2023, 11:33:57 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on April 25, 2023, 05:26:14 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on April 25, 2023, 04:54:38 PM
The Plastics are looking to dump £60m Sancho too. Good luck with that one too.

I'd 100% go for him if that was the price.

He's a great player, more talent than most players in the PL.

Still very young as well. 

I wouldn't see him as an Emery type at all. He just seems like an out and out winger, who doesn't do anything positive very often. We've already got one of those of our own.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on April 26, 2023, 12:23:20 PM
			

			

				We won't be spending £60m on Sancho or a bag of pork scratching on Maguire.  I very much doubt we'll be shopping in the inflated prices of the PL at all.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on April 26, 2023, 12:26:12 PM
			

			

				Wouldn't want either, especially Maguire. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Richard E on April 26, 2023, 12:32:42 PM
			

			

				We’ll be able to attract a far better calibre of player than we’d be lining up if Gerrard was still here, that’s for sure. Especially as we’ll be able to offer top flight football.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on April 26, 2023, 01:36:00 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Richard E on April 26, 2023, 12:32:42 PM
We’ll be able to attract a far better calibre of player than we’d be lining up if Gerrard was still here, that’s for sure. Especially as we’ll be able to offer top flight football.

Gerrard was able to attract likes of Coutinho, Carlos, Digne and Kamara. He had lots of problems but not that one.

Just think with European football we will be able to have a much larger squad with the likes of A Ramsey, Archer and Iroegbunam all back in, plus new signings to replace underachievers like Bailey, Coutinho and Digne. 

We need to be competing with likes of Spurs and Newcastle for players, Emery should be a huge draw too. The likes of Buendia chose us ahead of Arsenal not too long ago don't forget so I think we should be an attractive proposition to many new signings. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 26, 2023, 02:02:03 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on April 26, 2023, 11:33:57 AM
Quote from: Smirker on April 25, 2023, 05:26:14 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on April 25, 2023, 04:54:38 PM
The Plastics are looking to dump £60m Sancho too. Good luck with that one too.

I'd 100% go for him if that was the price.

He's a great player, more talent than most players in the PL.

Still very young as well. 

I wouldn't see him as an Emery type at all. He just seems like an out and out winger, who doesn't do anything positive very often. We've already got one of those of our own.

Same here, plus the Yanited fans don't think he currently has the mental strength to play at the top level. I would hope that Guendouzi and/or Smith-Rowe are more likely if Unai has a favourable impression of them from his time at Arsenal.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on April 26, 2023, 02:04:14 PM
			

			

				To coin a phrase used more out here; Emery has made lemonade out of lemons, taking a bunch of misfits, a vast majority of players most of us were casting aside 6 months ago. Just think how much better we should be come August with our full compliment of retainer current and on loan players plus I expect 4 or 5 proper signings. Whatever ultimately happens this season is already a massive bonus. Almost disappointing now if we miss out on Europe. But August can’t come soon enough. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smithy on April 26, 2023, 02:22:45 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on April 26, 2023, 02:02:03 PM
Quote from: Risso on April 26, 2023, 11:33:57 AM
Quote from: Smirker on April 25, 2023, 05:26:14 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on April 25, 2023, 04:54:38 PM
The Plastics are looking to dump £60m Sancho too. Good luck with that one too.

I'd 100% go for him if that was the price.

He's a great player, more talent than most players in the PL.

Still very young as well. 

I wouldn't see him as an Emery type at all. He just seems like an out and out winger, who doesn't do anything positive very often. We've already got one of those of our own.

Same here, plus the Yanited fans don't think he currently has the mental strength to play at the top level. I would hope that Guendouzi and/or Smith-Rowe are more likely if Unai has a favourable impression of them from his time at Arsenal.

I think that's a really big factor for me.  Smith-Rowe in particular has really failed to push on this season and establish himself in that Arsenal side. I know he missed the early part of the season with injury, but I don't think he's started a league game for them all season? Normally that would raise question marks, but if Emery wants him and thinks he can be an asset, then I'm in 100%.

If feels so weird to have such complete and utter faith in the decisions made by a Villa manager.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on April 26, 2023, 02:31:16 PM
			

			

				I think the biggest factor in the transfer window will be that the owners have 100% trust and confidence in Emery and will back him and give him whatever he wants

I think the owners have been waiting for this for a while someone they believe in so they can see their ambitions achieved
so I’m expecting Emery to be given a free hand, not that I think he’ll go mad he doesn’t seem that type
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on April 26, 2023, 02:56:51 PM
			

			

				I'm sort of thinking this end of season charge is a bit like DOLs first season where we seemed as if we wouldn't lose no matter what in some games, Soton away comes to mind. He got a great tune out of the likes of Angel, Barry and others that GT struggled with. There was a lot of excitement about the young players back then too.

Obviously Emery is a much better coach than that joker but we do need a lot of investment in this squad evidenced by the subs bench last night.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Mister E on April 26, 2023, 04:29:45 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on April 25, 2023, 07:00:17 PM
Quote from: Mister E on April 25, 2023, 06:48:23 PM
Quote from: Smirker on April 25, 2023, 05:26:14 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on April 25, 2023, 04:54:38 PM
The Plastics are looking to dump £60m Sancho too. Good luck with that one too.
I'd 100% go for him if that was the price.

He's a great player, more talent than most players in the PL.
Still very young as well. 
I'd go for him at £20m.
Typical Yorhshireman. He cost £73m, he plays for Man Utd and England, still only 23..SOLD!
Only adopted Yorkie, Rudy. Born and brought up in what was a part of Warwickshire, until the WM was created.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Mister E on April 26, 2023, 04:31:27 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on April 26, 2023, 02:02:03 PM
 I would hope that Guendouzi and/or Smith-Rowe are more likely if Unai has a favourable impression of them from his time at Arsenal.
Damn right.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on April 26, 2023, 05:13:55 PM
			

			

				Emile Smith-Rowe just seems destined to be a Villan. Uncle Unai holds more sway than Deano did. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on April 26, 2023, 06:13:13 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: john e on April 26, 2023, 02:31:16 PM
I think the biggest factor in the transfer window will be that the owners have 100% trust and confidence in Emery and will back him and give him whatever he wants

I think the owners have been waiting for this for a while someone they believe in so they can see their ambitions achieved
so I’m expecting Emery to be given a free hand, not that I think he’ll go mad he doesn’t seem that type

I agree. It never felt like they fully trusted or backed Gerrard last summer so focused on a couple of strategic signings and tried to offload as many as we could. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ROBBO on April 26, 2023, 06:39:17 PM
			

			

				Carlos has been back on the bench for a while now with no match time, just wonder if the manager is that keen.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: nigel on April 26, 2023, 07:46:08 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ROBBO on April 26, 2023, 06:39:17 PM
Carlos has been back on the bench for a while now with no match time, just wonder if the manager is that keen.

I wouldn’t worry too much, when the pairing playing at the moment are keeping clean sheet after clean sheet it must be difficult to even contemplate changing, as you don’t want to unbalance things.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SamTheMouse on April 26, 2023, 07:49:51 PM
			

			

				I'll go out on a limb and say our signings will be from Spain, and we will barely have heard of them.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: rob_bridge on April 26, 2023, 08:07:32 PM
			

			

				Assuming we keep all those we wish too - Martinez, Luiz and Watkins most especially, and Carlos is real deal,  then key shopping items

1) Backup GK - maybe 2
2) Right Back
3) Midifelder to compete with current crop
4) Quality Gakpo type Forward - Coutinho and Bailey aren't at our races. 

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: KevinGage on April 26, 2023, 08:51:30 PM
			

			

				I'd take Sancho with a weighty loan fee (circa £10-12 mill) and no obligation to buy. If he does well £35 mill+  permanent deal next summer. 

He hasn't done enough at Yanited to go for anywhere near £60 mill. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rigadon on April 26, 2023, 09:07:10 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: KevinGage on April 26, 2023, 08:51:30 PM
I'd take Sancho with a weighty loan fee (circa £10-12 mill) and no obligation to buy. If he does well £35 mill+  permanent deal next summer. 

He hasn't done enough at Yanited to go for anywhere near £60 mill. 

Leon Bailey looked great in Germany apparently.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on April 27, 2023, 09:40:40 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: KevinGage on April 26, 2023, 08:51:30 PM
I'd take Sancho with a weighty loan fee (circa £10-12 mill) and no obligation to buy. If he does well £35 mill+  permanent deal next summer. 

He hasn't done enough at Yanited to go for anywhere near £60 mill. 

I wouldn't touch him. Why take a punt on somebody who hasn't performed at all, and help a rival offset their wages so they can bring somebody else in?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on April 27, 2023, 10:00:18 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on April 27, 2023, 09:40:40 AM
Quote from: KevinGage on April 26, 2023, 08:51:30 PM
I'd take Sancho with a weighty loan fee (circa £10-12 mill) and no obligation to buy. If he does well £35 mill+  permanent deal next summer. 

He hasn't done enough at Yanited to go for anywhere near £60 mill. 

I wouldn't touch him. Why take a punt on somebody who hasn't performed at all, and help a rival offset their wages so they can bring somebody else in?
Exactly, this summer is going to be all about Chelsea Manure Spurs and to a lesser extent Arse Liverpool looking for mug punters to move on their non performing assets off their Balance Sheets .
This transfer window could be as more about Financial Management than squad management.
We are in a relatively strong position FFP wise so taking high paid cast offs is probably the last thing we should do.


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on April 27, 2023, 10:02:34 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ChicagoLion on April 27, 2023, 10:00:18 AM

Exactly, this summer is going to be all about Chelsea Manure Spurs and to a lesser extent Arse Liverpool looking for mug punters to move on their non performing assets off their Balance Sheets .
This transfer window could be as more about Financial Management than squad management.
We are in a relatively strong position FFP wise so taking high paid cast offs is probably the last thing we should do.



Yep. Compare the signing of Moreno to say, Cucurella.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 27, 2023, 10:12:20 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on April 27, 2023, 09:40:40 AM
Quote from: KevinGage on April 26, 2023, 08:51:30 PM
I'd take Sancho with a weighty loan fee (circa £10-12 mill) and no obligation to buy. If he does well £35 mill+  permanent deal next summer. 

He hasn't done enough at Yanited to go for anywhere near £60 mill. 

I wouldn't touch him. Why take a punt on somebody who hasn't performed at all, and help a rival offset their wages so they can bring somebody else in?

Indeed. Great in Germany, absolutely dreadful in England.

As Rigadon said, like Bailey.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SamTheMouse on April 27, 2023, 11:33:18 AM
			

			

				That's why I'd rather go for players from La Liga, on the whole. And I think we will.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smithy on April 27, 2023, 12:13:55 PM
			

			

				I genuinely don't care where the players we sign are from, as long as they turn out to be really good.  We've seen how Emery can turn underperforming players into European contenders, improving both the team and the individual contributors, so if a player has been a little underwhelming elsewhere, but Emery sees enough in them to know he can spin them into gold, then I'm all for it.  He's earned that trust.

(I would, however, also like us to spend a lot of money on a statement attacker/wide forward, because I think we deserve it)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on April 27, 2023, 12:36:56 PM
			

			

				We bought Moreno for next to nothing and given how influence in such a short amount of time he’s probably doubled his price already. Along with some known entities, I can see us going for a few players many of us weren’t that aware of. Shrewd signings who will quickly fit into the Emery way of doing things. I’m just curious to see if the kids returning who bursts onto the first team scene.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on April 27, 2023, 03:42:47 PM
			

			

				Seeing Lois Openda's name popping up today. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: rob_bridge on April 27, 2023, 03:58:45 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: SamTheMouse on April 27, 2023, 11:33:18 AM
That's why I'd rather go for players from La Liga, on the whole. And I think we will.

Much better standard than Germany, although no doubt some gems exist there. 

I wouldn't touch the looked good 2 years ago where are they now brigade even on loan- Sancho, Mount, Kalvin-Phillps, even Sterling. Likely as not we'd end up with a Barkley style one. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on April 27, 2023, 04:01:39 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: rob_bridge on April 27, 2023, 03:58:45 PM
Quote from: SamTheMouse on April 27, 2023, 11:33:18 AM
That's why I'd rather go for players from La Liga, on the whole. And I think we will.

Much better standard than Germany, although no doubt some gems exist there. 

I wouldn't touch the looked good 2 years ago where are they now brigade even on loan- Sancho, Mount, Kalvin-Phillps, even Sterling. Likely as not we'd end up with a Barkley style one. 

There's a mad list of players that Southgate picked in front of Grealish for ages that have seen there careers tail off dramatically since, like it carries some kind of curse.

Or Southgate is just a twat.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Hookeysmith on April 27, 2023, 04:02:55 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on April 27, 2023, 09:40:40 AM
Quote from: KevinGage on April 26, 2023, 08:51:30 PM
I'd take Sancho with a weighty loan fee (circa £10-12 mill) and no obligation to buy. If he does well £35 mill+  permanent deal next summer. 

He hasn't done enough at Yanited to go for anywhere near £60 mill. 

I wouldn't touch him. Why take a punt on somebody who hasn't performed at all, and help a rival offset their wages so they can bring somebody else in?

Spot on - them fuckers will be our genuine rivals next season
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on April 27, 2023, 04:09:14 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: villadelph on April 27, 2023, 03:42:47 PM
Seeing Lois Openda's name popping up today. 

That would be good. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: rob_bridge on April 27, 2023, 04:15:45 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on April 27, 2023, 04:01:39 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on April 27, 2023, 03:58:45 PM
Quote from: SamTheMouse on April 27, 2023, 11:33:18 AM
That's why I'd rather go for players from La Liga, on the whole. And I think we will.

Much better standard than Germany, although no doubt some gems exist there. 

I wouldn't touch the looked good 2 years ago where are they now brigade even on loan- Sancho, Mount, Kalvin-Phillps, even Sterling. Likely as not we'd end up with a Barkley style one. 

There's a mad list of players that Southgate picked in front of Grealish for ages that have seen there careers tail off dramatically since, like it carries some kind of curse.

Or Southgate is just a twat.

To be fair Sancho wasn't picked ahead of him. KP and Sterling deserved to be in the side on 2020-21 but so did Grealish at the instead of Mount.

Based on curse maybe Foden is next 


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on April 27, 2023, 04:18:10 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on April 27, 2023, 04:09:14 PM
Quote from: villadelph on April 27, 2023, 03:42:47 PM
Seeing Lois Openda's name popping up today. 

That would be good. 

Triple word score?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 27, 2023, 05:50:19 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on April 27, 2023, 04:18:10 PM
Quote from: Dave on April 27, 2023, 04:09:14 PM
Quote from: villadelph on April 27, 2023, 03:42:47 PM
Seeing Lois Openda's name popping up today. 

That would be good. 

Triple word score?

Chant potential.

The minute you walked in the joint
We could see you were a player of distinction, who scares defenders
Good looking, so refined
Say, wouldn't you like to know what's going in on our mind?
So let me get right to the point
We don't pop our cork for every goal we see
Hey Openda!
Spend a little time with Emery.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on April 27, 2023, 05:59:26 PM
			

			

				Bravo sir!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on April 27, 2023, 06:05:55 PM
			

			

				Outstanding.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 27, 2023, 06:08:26 PM
			

			

				we have to sign him now 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on April 27, 2023, 06:26:07 PM
			

			

				I think I'd forego any signing-on fee if a club who had been loosely linked with me in the press had already come up with my own song. #grateful4life #villa4eva
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on April 27, 2023, 08:09:55 PM
			

			

				Guendozi being frozen out at Marseille. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on April 27, 2023, 09:09:24 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on April 27, 2023, 08:09:55 PM
Guendozi being frozen out at Marseille. 

He's clearly leaving in the summer and I'd be amazed if it isn't to come to us. I suspect it'll be announced within days of the end of the season.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on April 27, 2023, 09:21:35 PM
			

			

				Be lovely to get a couple of deals sorted quickly.  Yes please to Guendouzi and the Arsenal lad. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on April 27, 2023, 09:42:36 PM
			

			

				Saints all but gone so let's go and get Prowsey once and for all.


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SamTheMouse on April 27, 2023, 09:44:21 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on April 27, 2023, 09:42:36 PM
Saints all but gone so let's go and get Prowsey once and for all.

He'll end up at Wet Spam or somewhere like that.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on April 27, 2023, 09:49:07 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: SamTheMouse on April 27, 2023, 09:44:21 PM
Quote from: Smirker on April 27, 2023, 09:42:36 PM
Saints all but gone so let's go and get Prowsey once and for all.

He'll end up at Wet Spam or somewhere like that.

Would be a shame.

Bring him to B6.

Our Prowse, in the middle of the park! 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SamTheMouse on April 27, 2023, 10:00:48 PM
			

			

				Takes a good set piece, but apart from that I just think he's hugely meh.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 27, 2023, 10:07:33 PM
			

			

				He's like a Poundshop Beckham, and he himself was wildly overrated as a footballer (dead balls notwithstanding, which, to be fair to him, he was very good at).
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on April 27, 2023, 10:14:21 PM
			

			

				Beckham had unbelievable passing from open play and and all-day engine. He was caught in the wrong era, getting stuck with right-midfield while 4-4-2 was dying. Would've been a great wing-back half a generation later.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villafirst on April 27, 2023, 11:48:40 PM
			

			

				I think JWP is lightweight, good at free kicks and set pieces but not much else.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on April 28, 2023, 01:13:34 AM
			

			

				Man, people are harsh on JWP. He's an exceptional free kick taker but by being that he's just dismissed as a free kick merchant. He's a good player. He doesn't improve our first 11 so I would aim higher but I think he's better than is made out. Solid midtable player for someone. 

I would prefer Guendouzi and I think we will get him... the stroppy dickhead. I tell you what there'll be some arm waving if him and Buendia are on the pitch.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 28, 2023, 02:37:07 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Monty on April 27, 2023, 10:14:21 PM
Beckham had unbelievable passing from open play and and all-day engine. He was caught in the wrong era, getting stuck with right-midfield while 4-4-2 was dying. Would've been a great wing-back half a generation later.

He was shit in goal though.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ldavfc4eva on April 28, 2023, 07:00:23 AM
			

			

				I don’t see JWP starting for us, but would improve the overall quality of the squad.

Guendouzi for me plays in JJ’s slot in the team, so great for competition.

Second striker, back up keeper, right back and a quality winger are needed before another CM for me though.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Mister E on April 28, 2023, 07:13:58 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ldavfc4eva on April 28, 2023, 07:00:23 AM
I don’t see JWP starting for us, but would improve the overall quality of the squad.
Guendouzi for me plays in JJ’s slot in the team, so great for competition.

Second striker, back up keeper, right back and a quality winger are needed before another CM for me though.
You've just said on the Cam Archer thread that he should be the second striker or play alongside Watkins next season. So, are you saying here we need another 2nd striker?
A quality winger - you mean out-and-out wide boy or someone who has the ability to go wide when appropriate (I'd class Sancho as one of the former and ESR as an example of the latter, for clarity)?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on April 28, 2023, 07:17:29 AM
			

			

				I think we need to integrate Archer and replace Bailey.
Another central midfielder, reserve keeper and a right back.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on April 28, 2023, 08:48:20 AM
			

			

				Personally I think that we need 2 more attacking options to replace buendia and Bailey. Coutinho will probably go too I'd imagine 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on April 28, 2023, 09:19:44 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Monty on April 27, 2023, 10:14:21 PM
Beckham had unbelievable passing from open play and and all-day engine. He was caught in the wrong era, getting stuck with right-midfield while 4-4-2 was dying. Would've been a great wing-back half a generation later.

As much as i think hes a smug twat, Beckham was an absolutely outstanding player. He was one of those that you had to see live and with view of the full pitch, to see just how good. And as much as i despise them, Man Utd had about as perfect a 4-4-2 midfield as you could get with Keane, Scholes, Beckham and Giggs.

As for JWP for us, i think we probably only need one midfielder in the summer but it needs to be someone of at least the standard of Kamara and a proper defensive player who will allow the other midfielders we have to play with complete protection. So no to JWP for me.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on April 28, 2023, 09:25:12 AM
			

			

				That Man Utd 4-4-2 was the last gasp of that system, and it died pretty much the year after they scraped the Champions League thanks to a couple of set-piece shenanigan goals (do *not* ask me to be fair about that). When it did, there was no obvious position for Beckham, neither a winger nor a deep-lying central midfielder, and it showed pretty much all the rest of his career.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on April 28, 2023, 09:29:20 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ChicagoLion on April 28, 2023, 07:17:29 AM
I think we need to integrate Archer and replace Bailey.
Another central midfielder, reserve keeper and a right back.

I think we need the top center mid with a top quality winger to replace either Bailey or Traore (probably Bailey as it stands), the best up and coming right back we can find, a more than competant stand in keeper and i'd still go with another quality CB. I'd integrate Archer back in and give Young another year.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on April 28, 2023, 09:36:15 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on April 28, 2023, 09:29:20 AM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on April 28, 2023, 07:17:29 AM
I think we need to integrate Archer and replace Bailey.
Another central midfielder, reserve keeper and a right back.

I think we need the top center mid with a top quality winger to replace either Bailey or Traore (probably Bailey as it stands), the best up and coming right back we can find, a more than competant stand in keeper and i'd still go with another quality CB. I'd integrate Archer back in and give Young another year.
we pretty much agree.
I dont think we can expect more than 3  players to walk straight into the first team.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on April 28, 2023, 10:27:34 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on April 28, 2023, 01:13:34 AM
Man, people are harsh on JWP. He's an exceptional free kick taker but by being that he's just dismissed as a free kick merchant. He's a good player. He doesn't improve our first 11 so I would aim higher but I think he's better than is made out. Solid midtable player for someone. 

Plus given the change in the performance levels of McGinn, Luiz, Watkins, Mings, Konsa etc since Emery got his hands on them, I'm surprised that people don't think he's capable of improving the current performance levels of somebody like Ward-Prowse as well.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brend'Watkins on April 28, 2023, 11:01:24 AM
			

			

				If Everton drop I wouldn't be against us going for Onana at Everton.  Other than that, I'll leave it to Emery who I'm certain has certain players in mind. The more unheard of the better.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on April 28, 2023, 11:04:22 AM
			

			

				I don't agree with replacing Bailey, given where we want to be, I'd be looking to add another player that can play in that position. Similar with the striker slots. I'd guess that one of Duran and Archer may go out on loan and that we'll bring in another because we need that strength in depth, particularly if we can finish top 7 and have Europa League/Conference football to contend with.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: nigel on April 28, 2023, 11:32:43 AM
			

			

				There’s a tentative link to Toney 
Several of his mates have put £50 on it  ;)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on April 28, 2023, 11:34:14 AM
			

			

				Onana has been linked with Chelsea (let's face it, they need another midfielder). 

It will be interesting to see if we do send Duran out on loan. It would be unusual to spend £18m on a young talent and loan them out. Presumably his salary is high enough that we would have to supplement it too. Normally that only happens with players who's moves have failed. As long as we're in Europe next season, we could start with Archer and Duran for a lot of the games. 

I think JWP is under-rated. We may well be playing 3 games a week so we need to be able to rotate without the overall levels dropping. 

I can't imagine Beckham as a wing-back. Part of what made Beckham was having Gary Neville supporting him and making overlaps for him. Their combination has been one of the best in the modern game. 

When you talk about the death of 4-4-2, I assume you mean a flat 4 with 2 out and out strikers. As a variant of a 4-4-2 has taken us on a 10 game unbeaten run! 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on April 28, 2023, 11:36:50 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brend'Watkins on April 28, 2023, 11:01:24 AM
If Everton drop I wouldn't be against us going for Onana at Everton.  Other than that, I'll leave it to Emery who I'm certain has certain players in mind. The more unheard of the better.

No, I don't think he's any good really but his teammates are terrible so he looks better as a result
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on April 28, 2023, 11:40:16 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on April 28, 2023, 11:04:22 AM
I don't agree with replacing Bailey, given where we want to be, I'd be looking to add another player that can play in that position. Similar with the striker slots. I'd guess that one of Duran and Archer may go out on loan and that we'll bring in another because we need that strength in depth, particularly if we can finish top 7 and have Europa League/Conference football to contend with.

We need somebody much better than Bailey to be first choice, and also somebody much better than Bailey to be back up. He offers nothing in 95% of the games he plays in.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on April 28, 2023, 11:41:43 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on April 28, 2023, 11:34:14 AM
Onana has been linked with Chelsea (let's face it, they need another midfielder). 

It will be interesting to see if we do send Duran out on loan. It would be unusual to spend £18m on a young talent and loan them out. Presumably his salary is high enough that we would have to supplement it too. Normally that only happens with players who's moves have failed. As long as we're in Europe next season, we could start with Archer and Duran for a lot of the games. 

I think JWP is under-rated. We may well be playing 3 games a week so we need to be able to rotate without the overall levels dropping. 

I can't imagine Beckham as a wing-back. Part of what made Beckham was having Gary Neville supporting him and making overlaps for him. Their combination has been one of the best in the modern game. 

When you talk about the death of 4-4-2, I assume you mean a flat 4 with 2 out and out strikers. As a variant of a 4-4-2 has taken us on a 10 game unbeaten run! 

Duran definitely needs a loan, he needs to play week in, and week out in English football like Archer is doing now. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on April 28, 2023, 11:49:01 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on April 28, 2023, 11:41:43 AM
Quote from: OCD on April 28, 2023, 11:34:14 AM
Onana has been linked with Chelsea (let's face it, they need another midfielder). 

It will be interesting to see if we do send Duran out on loan. It would be unusual to spend £18m on a young talent and loan them out. Presumably his salary is high enough that we would have to supplement it too. Normally that only happens with players who's moves have failed. As long as we're in Europe next season, we could start with Archer and Duran for a lot of the games. 

I think JWP is under-rated. We may well be playing 3 games a week so we need to be able to rotate without the overall levels dropping. 

I can't imagine Beckham as a wing-back. Part of what made Beckham was having Gary Neville supporting him and making overlaps for him. Their combination has been one of the best in the modern game. 

When you talk about the death of 4-4-2, I assume you mean a flat 4 with 2 out and out strikers. As a variant of a 4-4-2 has taken us on a 10 game unbeaten run! 

Duran definitely needs a loan, he needs to play week in, and week out in English football like Archer is doing now. 

If Middlesbrough don't go up, I'd be inclined to send him up there for a season and we have Archer back. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on April 28, 2023, 11:49:27 AM
			

			

				Yes I mean that version of 4-4-2 back then. What we're doing uses 4-4-2 as a basic shape, so it is back - however, the fundamentals of how we play it are so different it's like we're playing different sports.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on April 28, 2023, 01:09:58 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on April 28, 2023, 11:40:16 AM
Quote from: Drummond on April 28, 2023, 11:04:22 AM
I don't agree with replacing Bailey, given where we want to be, I'd be looking to add another player that can play in that position. Similar with the striker slots. I'd guess that one of Duran and Archer may go out on loan and that we'll bring in another because we need that strength in depth, particularly if we can finish top 7 and have Europa League/Conference football to contend with.

We need somebody much better than Bailey to be first choice, and also somebody much better than Bailey to be back up. He offers nothing in 95% of the games he plays in.

He does, because he's played a big part in our unbeaten run. He occupies defenders, creates space and creates chaos.... Unfortunately, on that last point. granted, it's for us as much as the opposition.

I think we need to get him fit and confident in his fitness so he can utilise that pace more.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on April 28, 2023, 01:14:07 PM
			

			

				Not for me, sorry. Every other player has improved drastically under Emery, Bailey's as bad as he's ever been. Move him on and use the money for somebody better.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on April 28, 2023, 01:18:53 PM
			

			

				Bailey's been useful to the team, but in a way that honestly tons of players could've been (being fast and moving where he's told). I agree he hasn't improved enough, in my opinion.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ian. on April 28, 2023, 01:21:41 PM
			

			

				I really like Bailey and would love to see him fulfil his potential but I’m just not sure or confident he will ever do it consistently enough for us. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on April 28, 2023, 01:27:36 PM
			

			

				I agree, a 2nd striker who gives us width on the right to balance out Moreno breaking forward on the left is useful but Bailey hasn't done the job especially well. Recently McGinn drifting forward into that role has been more effective.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on April 28, 2023, 02:10:06 PM
			

			

				I hope he's able to play again soon just so we have another body. But based on what I've seen so far under Emery, I hope we move him on in the summer. Everybody's increased their levels but he hasn't. We should be able to bring in someone who will be a better fit for Emery. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on April 28, 2023, 02:28:48 PM
			

			

				Emery has given an interview in Spain saying that every player in the squad is upgradeable, ie replaceable. That being the case, surely you start with the consistently weakest player in the squad?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on April 28, 2023, 02:32:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on April 28, 2023, 02:28:48 PM
Emery has given an interview in Spain saying that every player in the squad is upgradeable, ie replaceable. That being the case, surely you start with the consistently weakest player in the squad?

Yep, I'd move Olsen on first too.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: passport1 on April 28, 2023, 02:54:49 PM
			

			

				I'm  hoping g that now that his Chelsea move has gone tits up we will be renewing our interest  in Joao Felix  this summer.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on April 28, 2023, 03:03:46 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on April 28, 2023, 02:10:06 PM
I hope he's able to play again soon just so we have another body. But based on what I've seen so far under Emery, I hope we move him on in the summer. Everybody's increased their levels but he hasn't. We should be able to bring in someone who will be a better fit for Emery.

He is two seasons in now as well.  We need far better in that position.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Hookeysmith on April 28, 2023, 03:15:35 PM
			

			

				Barnes and or Maddison direct replacements for Bailey and Emi B

Or either Eze or Oilize as above

Walker-Peters  - Back up right back

Navas - back up keeper

Then i would imagine a whole lot of players from outside the premiership that i would not begin to know*

*The recent interview with Martinez and Ian Wright he intimated trying to bring some of his buddies from Argentine here so maybe Dybala or even that little bloke they have playing for them  ;)


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: CT Villan on April 28, 2023, 04:58:20 PM
			

			

				Bowen or Pulisic to replace Bailey, or get both and use Pulisic as a striker
Guendouzi
Archer to be integrated into the first team
Anybody to replace Olsen, maybe Steer can do it on his return to full health but probably need better
Starting right back to compete with Cash, Ashley to be eased out
A top class central defender who can play on either side. Hause or Chambers to move on.
Competition for Buendia, possibly give Coutinho a few months to show where he is at then move on if not doing it.

Massive no's to JWP and Onana. JWP is another Hourihane - has his uses but doesn't contribute enough for where we are going.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Matt C on April 28, 2023, 06:04:01 PM
			

			

				Ward-Prowse is one of those that would have been a great addition in our first year or two back in the PL and given what he would have added, worth the over-inflated fee. Now? Not so much. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on April 28, 2023, 06:28:32 PM
			

			

				Pulisic is a good shout. 

Add Guendozi, Pau Torres and Dumfries. 

One or two from Spain, like we're being linked with Kang-In Lee. 

Integrate A Ramsey, Iroegbunam and Archer. 

Bring in a reliable second choice keeper. I think Digne will need replacing too. 

Move Bailey, Traore, Digne and Olsen on plus the older players that have already gone out on loan e.g. Nakamba. 

Just a bit of work to do! 


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on April 28, 2023, 06:37:22 PM
			

			

				As long as his wages aren't an issue I'd keep Digne. Our left back situation has two quality players and doesn't need disrupting.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 28, 2023, 07:04:24 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on April 28, 2023, 06:37:22 PM
As long as his wages aren't an issue I'd keep Digne. Our left back situation has two quality players and doesn't need disrupting.

I agree entirely with this.

What we need to do is find the quality of the likes of the two LBs we have for every position.

I think Emery made that point himself in an interview a while back.

There's so much work to be done, no point at all creating another problem position when we're sorted.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on April 28, 2023, 07:12:11 PM
			

			

				If you're Digne though, would you be happy with being on the bench each week? He's meant to be getting well paid so perhaps he would. But then I'm not sure Emery would be happy with that when he can probably find better for less. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on April 28, 2023, 07:49:16 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on April 28, 2023, 07:12:11 PM
If you're Digne though, would you be happy with being on the bench each week? He's meant to be getting well paid so perhaps he would. But then I'm not sure Emery would be happy with that when he can probably find better for less.

If we get in to Europe and are competitive in the domestic cups we'll be playing somewhere around 55-60 matches. We can offer 2 players 25-30 stats and 40-50 appearances in most positions. That should be enough to keep them happy.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 28, 2023, 08:04:15 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on April 28, 2023, 07:49:16 PM
Quote from: OCD on April 28, 2023, 07:12:11 PM
If you're Digne though, would you be happy with being on the bench each week? He's meant to be getting well paid so perhaps he would. But then I'm not sure Emery would be happy with that when he can probably find better for less.

If we get in to Europe and are competitive in the domestic cups we'll be playing somewhere around 55-60 matches. We can offer 2 players 25-30 stats and 40-50 appearances in most positions. That should be enough to keep them happy.

Agreed, that's why qualifying for Europe could be a real boon if it's accompanied by significant investment in the squad.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on April 28, 2023, 08:28:48 PM
			

			

				Yep, we'll not struggle so much to give players game time if we're in Europe. Especially with 5 subs now, Digne & Moreno could both conceivably be getting 25+ appearances.

That's the big bonus for being in Europe, I think. You can keep a squad of 23/25 players all happy & playing relatively regularly bar maybe the third choice keeper.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on April 28, 2023, 09:38:34 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on April 28, 2023, 07:49:16 PM
Quote from: OCD on April 28, 2023, 07:12:11 PM
If you're Digne though, would you be happy with being on the bench each week? He's meant to be getting well paid so perhaps he would. But then I'm not sure Emery would be happy with that when he can probably find better for less.

If we get in to Europe and are competitive in the domestic cups we'll be playing somewhere around 55-60 matches. We can offer 2 players 25-30 stats and 40-50 appearances in most positions. That should be enough to keep them happy.

Also, different players want different things. Digne is nearly thirty, with 50 or so caps for his county, an entire shelf of domestic and international medals and the biggest contract of his life.

He's done fine. He's not a 22 year old worrying about his minutes because if he doesn't play enough then he risks his career stagnating.

He's got plenty of years ahead of him and I'm sure he'd rather play than not. But as Risso posits, he's comfortable enough that he's not going to be rocking any boats regardless of how much he plays. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SoccerHQ on April 28, 2023, 11:19:35 PM
			

			

				Think Digne will be a bit like Ings, we'll keep him if both parties are happy but if decent offer comes in we'll sell given the wages he's on and chance to sign a younger LB.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ldavfc4eva on April 28, 2023, 11:53:51 PM
			

			

				In response to Mister E

Yes I see as Cam being the man to be our back up next season, and probably saving us £30m on a backup striker who would be no better.

A class winger I would say is a Sancho or Williams from Bilbao, that level of player is needed.

Sorry probably didn’t word my comment the right way about Cam, I see him as a very promising player who knows how to score and is quick too and is good in the air - can’t ask for more really and he deserves to be Ollies backup next season IMO
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on April 29, 2023, 01:59:40 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on April 28, 2023, 06:37:22 PM
As long as his wages aren't an issue I'd keep Digne. Our left back situation has two quality players and doesn't need disrupting.

I can see his wages being an issue to be honest.  I think just him and Coutinho going would free up a sizeable amount of wages.  Wouldn't be surprised to see Cash go in the summer as well.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: nigel on April 29, 2023, 08:21:43 AM
			

			

				Arsenal, Newcastle and Aston Villa all scouted Real Valladolid right-back Ivan Fresneda, 18, in Thursday's 2-1 defeat by Valencia. (90min.com)

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ldavfc4eva on April 29, 2023, 08:22:51 AM
			

			

				Must be best part of £300k per week on those 2, that said I would keep Digne.

Unless we can unearth another Moreno for sub £20m (which I have no doubt Unai could do).
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dave shelley on April 29, 2023, 08:58:48 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ldavfc4eva on April 28, 2023, 11:53:51 PM
In response to Mister E

Yes I see as Cam being the man to be our back up next season, and probably saving us £30m on a backup striker who would be no better.

A class winger I would say is a Sancho or Williams from Bilbao, that level of player is needed.

Sorry probably didn’t word my comment the right way about Cam, I see him as a very promising player who knows how to score and is quick too and is good in the air - can’t ask for more really and he deserves to be Ollies backup next season IMO

I think Cameron Archer will only tolerate perhaps one season on the bench at most.  He's ready and deserves first team football on a regular basis and if he wanted to move on I wouldn't blame him one bit.  It depends on just how much game time he gets.  Just my opinion.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: nigel on April 29, 2023, 09:25:31 AM
			

			

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				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on April 29, 2023, 10:29:23 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: dave shelley on April 29, 2023, 08:58:48 AM
Quote from: ldavfc4eva on April 28, 2023, 11:53:51 PM
In response to Mister E

Yes I see as Cam being the man to be our back up next season, and probably saving us £30m on a backup striker who would be no better.

A class winger I would say is a Sancho or Williams from Bilbao, that level of player is needed.

Sorry probably didn’t word my comment the right way about Cam, I see him as a very promising player who knows how to score and is quick too and is good in the air - can’t ask for more really and he deserves to be Ollies backup next season IMO

I think Cameron Archer will only tolerate perhaps one season on the bench at most.  He's ready and deserves first team football on a regular basis and if he wanted to move on I wouldn't blame him one bit.  It depends on just how much game time he gets.  Just my opinion.
With the 5 subs now, I think as long as we're in Europe we could quite easily offer 2 strikers a good number of games.

The Europa League would almost certainly add at least 8 games (6 group games, plus at least another 2 knockout games provided we didn't finish bottom of the group). Get knocked out in the first game we play in either domestic cup, and that's still 48 games next season. Progress further in anything - not a mad assumption given Emery's pedigree in the UEFA Cup - and it'll be more.

That's way more than you could expect from a single striker, and cloud easily see Cam knocking up 30+ appearances even as 'backup'. Would be less if we signed another striker, which is why I'd be inclined to go to one end of the spectrum or the other - either an aging Cyril Regis type player who would probably be more of an impact sub *or* a youngster, a bit like Duran, who'd be OK making a couple of dozen subs appearances. I'd absolutely be looking at Watkins + Archer as the main strike partnership, because "a couple of dozen subs appearances" isn't enough for Cam right now IMO and we'd risk losing a fantastically talented player.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on April 29, 2023, 10:46:52 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: nigel on April 29, 2023, 08:21:43 AM
Arsenal, Newcastle and Aston Villa all scouted Real Valladolid right-back Ivan Fresneda, 18, in Thursday's 2-1 defeat by Valencia. (90min.com)


Literally invented by Championship Manager.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on April 29, 2023, 11:23:27 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: dave shelley on April 29, 2023, 08:58:48 AM
Quote from: ldavfc4eva on April 28, 2023, 11:53:51 PM
In response to Mister E

Yes I see as Cam being the man to be our back up next season, and probably saving us £30m on a backup striker who would be no better.

A class winger I would say is a Sancho or Williams from Bilbao, that level of player is needed.

Sorry probably didn’t word my comment the right way about Cam, I see him as a very promising player who knows how to score and is quick too and is good in the air - can’t ask for more really and he deserves to be Ollies backup next season IMO

I think Cameron Archer will only tolerate perhaps one season on the bench at most.  He's ready and deserves first team football on a regular basis and if he wanted to move on I wouldn't blame him one bit.  It depends on just how much game time he gets.  Just my opinion.

Only one way to find out...European football would be great, more games means more opportunities for players. Watkins is unbelievably resilient but he can hardly keep playing 35+ games a season. I think Archer could push him hard anyway. Is Archer playing in a 1 or 2 up front at Boro?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on April 29, 2023, 12:18:34 PM
			

			

				Digne got frustrated at a lack of games for Everton under Benitez before we signed him. And say Moreno was used in Premier League games and Digne was played against weaker sides in Europe, he would still be playing but maybe not to the standard he wants to. 

The point about him being a similar case to Ings is a good one. I can see someone coming in for him and us accepting. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: nigel on April 29, 2023, 12:19:43 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Monty on April 29, 2023, 10:46:52 AM
Quote from: nigel on April 29, 2023, 08:21:43 AM
Arsenal, Newcastle and Aston Villa all scouted Real Valladolid right-back Ivan Fresneda, 18, in Thursday's 2-1 defeat by Valencia. (90min.com)


Literally invented by Championship Manager.

Still a rumour, mate 😂
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on April 29, 2023, 12:21:19 PM
			

			

				I could see Digne wanting to be definite first choice somewhere, and fair enough if so.

Quote from: nigel on April 29, 2023, 12:19:43 PM
Quote from: Monty on April 29, 2023, 10:46:52 AM
Quote from: nigel on April 29, 2023, 08:21:43 AM
Arsenal, Newcastle and Aston Villa all scouted Real Valladolid right-back Ivan Fresneda, 18, in Thursday's 2-1 defeat by Valencia. (90min.com)


Literally invented by Championship Manager.

Still a rumour, mate 😂

I meant the player name! They're all called video game generated names these days. Taylor Fotheringham-Diaz or what have you.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: nigel on April 29, 2023, 12:26:01 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Monty on April 29, 2023, 12:21:19 PM
I could see Digne wanting to be definite first choice somewhere, and fair enough if so.

Quote from: nigel on April 29, 2023, 12:19:43 PM
Quote from: Monty on April 29, 2023, 10:46:52 AM
Quote from: nigel on April 29, 2023, 08:21:43 AM
Arsenal, Newcastle and Aston Villa all scouted Real Valladolid right-back Ivan Fresneda, 18, in Thursday's 2-1 defeat by Valencia. (90min.com)


Literally invented by Championship Manager.

Still a rumour, mate 😂

I meant the player name! They're all called video game generated names these days. Taylor Fotheringham-Diaz or what have you.

Ahh, at least you now know my level of knowledge regarding foreign players 😂
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on April 29, 2023, 12:28:21 PM
			

			

				All players, honestly. I look at the teamsheets these days and make the same face Jack Grealish would make looking at a blackboard full of equations.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 29, 2023, 03:11:39 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Monty on April 29, 2023, 12:28:21 PM
All players, honestly. I look at the teamsheets these days and make the same face Jack Grealish would make looking at a blackboard full of equations.

Speaking of which, Deniz Undav has scored for Brighton.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Mister E on April 29, 2023, 05:28:52 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: dave shelley on April 29, 2023, 08:58:48 AM
Quote from: ldavfc4eva on April 28, 2023, 11:53:51 PM
In response to Mister E

Yes I see as Cam being the man to be our back up next season, and probably saving us £30m on a backup striker who would be no better.

A class winger I would say is a Sancho or Williams from Bilbao, that level of player is needed.

Sorry probably didn’t word my comment the right way about Cam, I see him as a very promising player who knows how to score and is quick too and is good in the air - can’t ask for more really and he deserves to be Ollies backup next season IMO

I think Cameron Archer will only tolerate perhaps one season on the bench at most.  He's ready and deserves first team football on a regular basis and if he wanted to move on I wouldn't blame him one bit.  It depends on just how much game time he gets.  Just my opinion.
Cheers, ldavfc4eva.
I wonder whether Archer might be played in the Bailey role and another striker is brought in to cover for Watkins, next season. The reason I say this is that - watching him play for Boro - he seems to be quick, clever and tenacious and is capable of switching with Akpom when required; i.e. he's very versatile as well as being a very smart finisher.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on April 29, 2023, 11:47:19 PM
			

			

				Add Orkun Kökçü, the Turkish playing for Feyenoord to the rumours list
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on April 29, 2023, 11:50:10 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on April 29, 2023, 11:47:19 PM
Add Orkun Kökçü, the Turkish playing for Feyenoord to the rumours list

That would be huge. The sort of player you'd expect Liverpool to snap up, or Dortmund to replace Bellingham with.

I'd be very surprised if we got him.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 29, 2023, 11:58:09 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on April 29, 2023, 11:50:10 PM
I'd be very surprised if we got him.

And we all said the same after Slippy was sacked. Massive summer but I do expect some boardroom interventions. 

1. Stop hiring average/below average managers. Tick
2. Will they walk into the first team? If not why? Time will tell.
3. Life's too short. I'm a muiti-billionaire, I love and understand football, maybe I need to have a word..
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on April 30, 2023, 12:30:32 AM
			

			

				The comment that Emery made recently was telling that all players are upgradable.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 30, 2023, 01:20:15 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on April 29, 2023, 11:50:10 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on April 29, 2023, 11:47:19 PM
Add Orkun Kökçü, the Turkish playing for Feyenoord to the rumours list

That would be huge. The sort of player you'd expect Liverpool to snap up, or Dortmund to replace Bellingham with.

I'd be very surprised if we got him.

Also the most accented surname we've ever had?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 30, 2023, 03:53:41 AM
			

			

				I don't know about accents, but Richard Dunne was pretty onomatopoeic by the time he left us. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on April 30, 2023, 06:46:18 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 30, 2023, 01:20:15 AM
Quote from: Dave on April 29, 2023, 11:50:10 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on April 29, 2023, 11:47:19 PM
Add Orkun Kökçü, the Turkish playing for Feyenoord to the rumours list

That would be huge. The sort of player you'd expect Liverpool to snap up, or Dortmund to replace Bellingham with.

I'd be very surprised if we got him.

Also the most accented surname we've ever had?

Mika Aaritalo must have had a few.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on April 30, 2023, 08:27:02 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on April 28, 2023, 11:49:01 AM
Quote from: Risso on April 28, 2023, 11:41:43 AM
Quote from: OCD on April 28, 2023, 11:34:14 AM
Onana has been linked with Chelsea (let's face it, they need another midfielder). 

It will be interesting to see if we do send Duran out on loan. It would be unusual to spend £18m on a young talent and loan them out. Presumably his salary is high enough that we would have to supplement it too. Normally that only happens with players who's moves have failed. As long as we're in Europe next season, we could start with Archer and Duran for a lot of the games. 

I think JWP is under-rated. We may well be playing 3 games a week so we need to be able to rotate without the overall levels dropping. 

I can't imagine Beckham as a wing-back. Part of what made Beckham was having Gary Neville supporting him and making overlaps for him. Their combination has been one of the best in the modern game. 

When you talk about the death of 4-4-2, I assume you mean a flat 4 with 2 out and out strikers. As a variant of a 4-4-2 has taken us on a 10 game unbeaten run! 

Duran definitely needs a loan, he needs to play week in, and week out in English football like Archer is doing now. 

If Middlesbrough don't go up, I'd be inclined to send him up there for a season and we have Archer back.

I’d want to see if a Carrick goes to Spammers first and also whether we are in Europe…if we are then there will be plenty of football for him with carabao / Prem and Europe 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Deano's Mullet on April 30, 2023, 08:58:07 AM
			

			

				Two things I’ve read already this morning - Bayern in for Watkins … and Chelsea fans thinking they’ll get Martinez cos he’d be cheap as a non elite goalkeeper! The arrogance….. and of course Chelsea have done so well with their “elite” players haven’t they? Emi won the World Cup ffs
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villabear on April 30, 2023, 09:31:09 AM
			

			

				For the first time in a long while I’m genuinely excited that we are going to buy some seriously good players this summer.. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: jwarry on April 30, 2023, 10:21:24 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: villabear on April 30, 2023, 09:31:09 AM
For the first time in a long while I’m genuinely excited that we are going to buy some seriously good players this summer.. 

The difference this time is that we will be recruiting to fit the manager’s plan rather than buying anybody we can to fill you know who’s shoes 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villan82 on April 30, 2023, 10:24:18 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: villabear on April 30, 2023, 09:31:09 AM
For the first time in a long while I’m genuinely excited that we are going to buy some seriously good players this summer..

Me too. Feeling pretty elated all things villa (except when I look at the Purslow thread here). It sure beats almost a decade and a half of the wilderness years. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ROBBO on April 30, 2023, 10:29:33 AM
			

			

				Looking at the squad we have no players except Emi that other supporters would call world class, but Emery has built a very competative team with the emphasis on team, so its important that the players he gets in will fit into the team structure rather than the price tag.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 30, 2023, 10:35:14 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 30, 2023, 01:20:15 AM
Quote from: Dave on April 29, 2023, 11:50:10 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on April 29, 2023, 11:47:19 PM
Add Orkun Kökçü, the Turkish playing for Feyenoord to the rumours list

That would be huge. The sort of player you'd expect Liverpool to snap up, or Dortmund to replace Bellingham with.

I'd be very surprised if we got him.

Also the most accented surname we've ever had?

How much are they on a printed shirt ? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 30, 2023, 10:36:56 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Deano's Mullet on April 30, 2023, 08:58:07 AM
Two things I’ve read already this morning - Bayern in for Watkins … 

You'd think a club the size of Bayern would be aware that Watkins has just become a father again.  ;)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Chap on April 30, 2023, 10:50:05 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on April 30, 2023, 10:36:56 AM
Quote from: Deano's Mullet on April 30, 2023, 08:58:07 AM
Two things I’ve read already this morning - Bayern in for Watkins … 

You'd think a club the size of Bayern would be aware that Watkins has just become a father again.  ;)

And of course he would like them to grow up with a Brummie accent!😜😜
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: nigel on May 02, 2023, 03:29:02 PM
			

			

				The Tammy Abraham links keep appearing, which, to some degree, makes me think there’s nothing in it
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on May 02, 2023, 04:11:38 PM
			

			

				I keep seeing links to that Turkish midfielder who plays for Feyenoord too. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brend'Watkins on May 02, 2023, 04:24:43 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on April 30, 2023, 12:30:32 AM
The comment that Emery made recently was telling that all players are upgradable.

I like that comment. There's no sentiment involved, just a matter of fact.  He's probably wrong on Martinez though as I can't see another all round better keeper in the world at the moment.  His very presence is as much as anything else. Hopefully his attendance at the Leicester v Everton game has Maddison on his wish list for next season.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 02, 2023, 06:25:30 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Deano's Mullet on April 30, 2023, 08:58:07 AM
....and Chelsea fans thinking they’ll get Martinez cos he’d be cheap as a non elite goalkeeper! The arrogance….. and of course Chelsea have done so well with their “elite” players haven’t they? Emi won the World Cup ffs

They may be disappointed. Didn't Dybala's missus say last week that Emi has been trying to persuade his Argentina teammates to join Villa, saying we're a much bigger club than people realise.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 02, 2023, 06:55:37 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on May 02, 2023, 06:25:30 PM
Quote from: Deano's Mullet on April 30, 2023, 08:58:07 AM
....and Chelsea fans thinking they’ll get Martinez cos he’d be cheap as a non elite goalkeeper! The arrogance….. and of course Chelsea have done so well with their “elite” players haven’t they? Emi won the World Cup ffs

They may be disappointed. Didn't Dybala's missus say last week that Emi has been trying to persuade his Argentina teammates to join Villa, saying we're a much bigger club than people realise.

Christ, I hope that Romero doesn't fall for the patter.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeonW on May 02, 2023, 07:08:23 PM
			

			

				I personally don’t think we’ll be majorly splashing out this summer. I think it’ll be 3 or 4 targeted signings, probably some less known, some more so. I don’t think we’ll be shopping in the markets for the likes of Abraham who would likely command a huge fee. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on May 02, 2023, 07:15:57 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeonW on May 02, 2023, 07:08:23 PM
I personally don’t think we’ll be majorly splashing out this summer. I think it’ll be 3 or 4 targeted signings, probably some less known, some more so. I don’t think we’ll be shopping in the markets for the likes of Abraham who would likely command a huge fee.

I'd certainly hope that if we are spending £80m or so on a player, it's on someone that is better than Abraham, given that's what he'd cost.

Very good player though he is.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeonW on May 02, 2023, 07:17:24 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on May 02, 2023, 07:15:57 PM
Quote from: LeonW on May 02, 2023, 07:08:23 PM
I personally don’t think we’ll be majorly splashing out this summer. I think it’ll be 3 or 4 targeted signings, probably some less known, some more so. I don’t think we’ll be shopping in the markets for the likes of Abraham who would likely command a huge fee.

I'd certainly hope that if we are spending £80m or so on a player, it's on someone that is better than Abraham, given that's what he'd cost.

Very good player though he is.

I’ve never quite seen it with Tammy. I’ve always thought he was ok. Not necessarily much better than Ollie. And yes, I think it would be a figure in and around that amount myself.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on May 02, 2023, 07:26:33 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeonW on May 02, 2023, 07:17:24 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 02, 2023, 07:15:57 PM
Quote from: LeonW on May 02, 2023, 07:08:23 PM
I personally don’t think we’ll be majorly splashing out this summer. I think it’ll be 3 or 4 targeted signings, probably some less known, some more so. I don’t think we’ll be shopping in the markets for the likes of Abraham who would likely command a huge fee.

I'd certainly hope that if we are spending £80m or so on a player, it's on someone that is better than Abraham, given that's what he'd cost.

Very good player though he is.

I’ve never quite seen it with Tammy. I’ve always thought he was ok. Not necessarily much better than Ollie. And yes, I think it would be a figure in and around that amount myself.

Italy has turned him into a far better player than the one we had though. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on May 02, 2023, 07:27:08 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeonW on May 02, 2023, 07:17:24 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 02, 2023, 07:15:57 PM
Quote from: LeonW on May 02, 2023, 07:08:23 PM
I personally don’t think we’ll be majorly splashing out this summer. I think it’ll be 3 or 4 targeted signings, probably some less known, some more so. I don’t think we’ll be shopping in the markets for the likes of Abraham who would likely command a huge fee.

I'd certainly hope that if we are spending £80m or so on a player, it's on someone that is better than Abraham, given that's what he'd cost.

Very good player though he is.

I’ve never quite seen it with Tammy. I’ve always thought he was ok. Not necessarily much better than Ollie. And yes, I think it would be a figure in and around that amount myself.

Same, I don't dislike him, I just think he's been overhyped when the evidence is that he tends to have long periods without scoring many goals at the highest level. It gets masked by him having purple patches but in truth his record is no better than Ollie.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: bob on May 02, 2023, 07:33:19 PM
			

			

				I would like Tammy but maybe that's the aura of his season for us in the Championship. Probably isn't that much if a step up from Watkins given the fee as you say.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on May 02, 2023, 07:35:40 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on May 02, 2023, 07:27:08 PM
...I just think he's been overhyped when the evidence is that he tends to have long periods without scoring many goals at the highest level. 

However, the same criticism could be thrown at all but around ten strikers in world football. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on May 02, 2023, 07:52:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on May 02, 2023, 07:26:33 PM
Quote from: LeonW on May 02, 2023, 07:17:24 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 02, 2023, 07:15:57 PM
Quote from: LeonW on May 02, 2023, 07:08:23 PM
I personally don’t think we’ll be majorly splashing out this summer. I think it’ll be 3 or 4 targeted signings, probably some less known, some more so. I don’t think we’ll be shopping in the markets for the likes of Abraham who would likely command a huge fee.

I'd certainly hope that if we are spending £80m or so on a player, it's on someone that is better than Abraham, given that's what he'd cost.

Very good player though he is.

I’ve never quite seen it with Tammy. I’ve always thought he was ok. Not necessarily much better than Ollie. And yes, I think it would be a figure in and around that amount myself.

Italy has turned him into a far better player than the one we had though. 

Yes and I think there’s often a tendency to put a notional ceiling on a player at a stage in their career and assume they can’t get better.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: bob on May 02, 2023, 07:56:03 PM
			

			

				Yes, look no further than Ollie Watkins, PaulWinch_again !
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on May 02, 2023, 08:00:52 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 02, 2023, 07:52:18 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 02, 2023, 07:26:33 PM
Quote from: LeonW on May 02, 2023, 07:17:24 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 02, 2023, 07:15:57 PM
Quote from: LeonW on May 02, 2023, 07:08:23 PM
I personally don’t think we’ll be majorly splashing out this summer. I think it’ll be 3 or 4 targeted signings, probably some less known, some more so. I don’t think we’ll be shopping in the markets for the likes of Abraham who would likely command a huge fee.

I'd certainly hope that if we are spending £80m or so on a player, it's on someone that is better than Abraham, given that's what he'd cost.

Very good player though he is.

I’ve never quite seen it with Tammy. I’ve always thought he was ok. Not necessarily much better than Ollie. And yes, I think it would be a figure in and around that amount myself.

Italy has turned him into a far better player than the one we had though. 

Yes and I think there’s often a tendency to put a notional ceiling on a player at a stage in their career and assume they can’t get better.

For me it's not putting a cap on him, I just don't think he's currently better than we have and is similar enough to Watkins that I don't think they could play together. So would it be a good use of a huge chunk of our budget to bring him in. We need another option but if it's someone for at least £50-60m and in that mid-20s age range then they need to improve our team not just add depth to the squad. It's been the same reason I've not wanted him ever since we signed Watkins. The first year back I'd have taken him but because we needed so many signings we just couldn't afford him. If we'd have found another £15m and got him instead of Wesley I suspect that first season would've been much less stressful.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeonW on May 02, 2023, 08:07:02 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on May 02, 2023, 07:26:33 PM
Quote from: LeonW on May 02, 2023, 07:17:24 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 02, 2023, 07:15:57 PM
Quote from: LeonW on May 02, 2023, 07:08:23 PM
I personally don’t think we’ll be majorly splashing out this summer. I think it’ll be 3 or 4 targeted signings, probably some less known, some more so. I don’t think we’ll be shopping in the markets for the likes of Abraham who would likely command a huge fee.

I'd certainly hope that if we are spending £80m or so on a player, it's on someone that is better than Abraham, given that's what he'd cost.

Very good player though he is.

I’ve never quite seen it with Tammy. I’ve always thought he was ok. Not necessarily much better than Ollie. And yes, I think it would be a figure in and around that amount myself.

Italy has turned him into a far better player than the one we had though.

Of course but Italian football is now at a lower level than the premier league.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Simon Page on May 02, 2023, 08:16:04 PM
			

			

				I think Abraham would be a joy under the guidance of Emery. Abraham always had a really good attitude and I think he'd thrive here.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on May 02, 2023, 08:17:31 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeonW on May 02, 2023, 08:07:02 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 02, 2023, 07:26:33 PM
Quote from: LeonW on May 02, 2023, 07:17:24 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 02, 2023, 07:15:57 PM
Quote from: LeonW on May 02, 2023, 07:08:23 PM
I personally don’t think we’ll be majorly splashing out this summer. I think it’ll be 3 or 4 targeted signings, probably some less known, some more so. I don’t think we’ll be shopping in the markets for the likes of Abraham who would likely command a huge fee.

I'd certainly hope that if we are spending £80m or so on a player, it's on someone that is better than Abraham, given that's what he'd cost.

Very good player though he is.

I’ve never quite seen it with Tammy. I’ve always thought he was ok. Not necessarily much better than Ollie. And yes, I think it would be a figure in and around that amount myself.

Italy has turned him into a far better player than the one we had though.

Of course but Italian football is now at a lower level than the premier league.

So is every league. Sorting the Kamaras from the Baileys is probably the hardest job for a club in our position. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on May 02, 2023, 08:53:46 PM
			

			

				Tammy Abraham is also only 25. Loads of time and room to improve. But he will have learned and matured rom playing abroad and European competition and under the guidance of one of the most successful managers of the past 20 years. To think a player of his calibre is someone we should turn our noses up at if the price is somewhat reasonable is ludicrous. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Hookeysmith on May 02, 2023, 09:04:21 PM
			

			

				I always thought of Tammy the same as I did Darren Bent. Great to put away decently made chances but for most of the 90 minutes he is not scoring its like playing with 10 men.
His link up play and defending from the front is non existant 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 02, 2023, 09:20:03 PM
			

			

				I have to admit, I'll be more than a little underwhelmed if Tammy is this summer's big striker signing but 'In Unai We Trust'.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: danno on May 02, 2023, 09:25:13 PM
			

			

				Would Tammy really cost £80 million? It’s not as if he’s lit up Serie A.
Plus judging by the amount of rumours appearing about him, I have a feeling it’s Roma wanting him out the door and planting stories.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on May 02, 2023, 09:30:10 PM
			

			

				If we are really after Tammy, I doubt we would be hearing about it in early-May. It's not how we've done business of late. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 02, 2023, 10:20:59 PM
			

			

				Tammy v Watkins is probably a draw so it’s a waste of £50-60m.  The money is better spent on a second striker/right winger to replace Bailey, then the money would have a greater impact. 

On that note, what news have i missed where Felix is definitely not going to join Chelsea this summer?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SoccerHQ on May 02, 2023, 11:00:24 PM
			

			

				Can see Raphinha being a target if Barca's sporting director is coming to us.

Was quality at Leeds, 11 prem goals for them last season. Done alright at Barca but their financial state means they'll move him on if they get a decent bid.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 03, 2023, 12:20:11 AM
			

			

				Barca's sporting director is coming to us? Is this true? I thought the bloke coming over was from Sociedad or sutin.

Edit: I'm just seeing this all over the Emery thread.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeonW on May 03, 2023, 12:43:15 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on May 02, 2023, 08:17:31 PM
Quote from: LeonW on May 02, 2023, 08:07:02 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 02, 2023, 07:26:33 PM
Quote from: LeonW on May 02, 2023, 07:17:24 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 02, 2023, 07:15:57 PM
Quote from: LeonW on May 02, 2023, 07:08:23 PM
I personally don’t think we’ll be majorly splashing out this summer. I think it’ll be 3 or 4 targeted signings, probably some less known, some more so. I don’t think we’ll be shopping in the markets for the likes of Abraham who would likely command a huge fee.

I'd certainly hope that if we are spending £80m or so on a player, it's on someone that is better than Abraham, given that's what he'd cost.

Very good player though he is.

I’ve never quite seen it with Tammy. I’ve always thought he was ok. Not necessarily much better than Ollie. And yes, I think it would be a figure in and around that amount myself.

Italy has turned him into a far better player than the one we had though.

Of course but Italian football is now at a lower level than the premier league.

So is every league. Sorting the Kamaras from the Baileys is probably the hardest job for a club in our position.

It’s a risk factor. So even though Tammy did a job for Chelsea and obviously has some premier league experience, flourishing in Italy isn’t necessarily a huge indicator in the way it would have been 20 odd years ago. There’s no guarantees as history has shown but for a club our size in terms of what we can spend, I personally would look elsewhere as we get less room to f*ck up.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on May 03, 2023, 12:50:26 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on May 03, 2023, 12:20:11 AM
Barca's sporting director is coming to us? Is this true? I thought the bloke coming over was from Sociedad or sutin.

Edit: I'm just seeing this all over the Emery thread.

This is usually very reliable for Barcelona news 

https://twitter.com/barcauniversal/status/1653510476146327555?s=46&t=0-BUXD66ovTcofwrbTW4Ag
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeonW on May 03, 2023, 12:51:30 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 02, 2023, 08:53:46 PM
Tammy Abraham is also only 25. Loads of time and room to improve. But he will have learned and matured rom playing abroad and European competition and under the guidance of one of the most successful managers of the past 20 years. To think a player of his calibre is someone we should turn our noses up at if the price is somewhat reasonable is ludicrous.

The thing is (and as Everton have shown) because of what we can spend under FFP, we get less room to make it count with big signings. We’re at the stage of trying to push regularly for top 6. We’re operating in a smaller pool for players rather than doing what we did in year one when we got back up. It’s relevant to consider spending a load on Tammy. I personally think he’s a perfectly decent premier league striker. But I’d rather us buy a wide player who can get 10 to 12 goals a season and offer a threat from that area of the pitch. I just don’t see Tammy as being significantly better than Ollie.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on May 03, 2023, 07:13:49 AM
			

			

				I reckon the striker Emery wants (and he has already said he wants another one) will be someone he knows from Spain. I like Tammy, he's scored goals wherever he has been but I can't see it being him. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on May 03, 2023, 07:23:59 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clampy on May 03, 2023, 07:13:49 AM
I reckon the striker Emery wants (and he has already said he wants another one) will be someone he knows from Spain. I like Tammy, he's scored goals wherever he has been but I can't see it being him.
Agree, Tammy is too similar to Watkins, I would expect he is looking for something a bit different that can compliment him.
I do not see Tammy and Watkins working that well.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smithy on May 03, 2023, 07:43:02 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ChicagoLion on May 03, 2023, 07:23:59 AM
Quote from: Clampy on May 03, 2023, 07:13:49 AM
I reckon the striker Emery wants (and he has already said he wants another one) will be someone he knows from Spain. I like Tammy, he's scored goals wherever he has been but I can't see it being him.
Agree, Tammy is too similar to Watkins, I would expect he is looking for something a bit different that can compliment him.
I do not see Tammy and Watkins working that well.

I also don't see how they would play together regulary, but that's not our problem, thankfully. One thing I will say, is that Emery has been coaching Ollie to be less, well, Ollie.  Conserve energy, stay more central, don't feel you always have to get involved, but be 100% alive when the ball reaches the attacking third.  Sound like anyone?

It's entirely possible Emery likes to play with a Tammy-style forward, and might think about buying one to compliment the one he's building with Ollie.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on May 03, 2023, 07:50:38 AM
			

			

				Tammy would fulfil a requirement to get more height into the side, not sure he works hard enough for Unai though.  

Finding the right upgrade for Bailey is key, like others have said I expect it will be a player from La Liga…perhaps one of the Villareal guys or Williams

Domestically I wouldn’t be sad if we added Ndiaye from Sheffield United, always looked a very good player whenever watched them, a more consistent version of Bailey.

Of the relegation threatened sides there’s not much to  go for, Maddison is the obvious one, the Italian winger at Leeds, Barnes, Johnson, Gibbs- White, Lavia - not sure Maddison aside that any are up to being on the shopping list?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on May 03, 2023, 08:15:21 AM
			

			

				I've seen a couple of comments questioning Tammy's workmate, are you on crack? The kid used to run his bollocks off, it was the thing that really made me take to him over his undoubted ability, he turned up at what was a shambles and put his heart and soul into it.

I think like others he's too similar to Watkins but if we didn't have him Tammy would be my first choice.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on May 03, 2023, 08:18:01 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clampy on May 03, 2023, 07:13:49 AM
I reckon the striker Emery wants (and he has already said he wants another one) will be someone he knows from Spain

I struggle to see who though. 

The players scoring goals are either old and off the table (Benzema, Lewandowski, Greizmann), old and already failed in the Premier League (Joselu, Aspas, Morata, Sorloth, Braithwaite) or having that one good season after several years of not doing very much (Unal, Borja Iglesias).

I'm guessing that 33 year old Stoke reject Joselu isn't really the sit-up-and-take-note signing that we're hoping for.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on May 03, 2023, 08:25:11 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on May 03, 2023, 08:18:01 AM
Quote from: Clampy on May 03, 2023, 07:13:49 AM
I reckon the striker Emery wants (and he has already said he wants another one) will be someone he knows from Spain

I struggle to see who though. 

The players scoring goals are either old and off the table (Benzema, Lewandowski, Greizmann), old and already failed in the Premier League (Joselu, Aspas, Morata, Sorloth, Braithwaite) or having that one good season after several years of not doing very much (Unal, Borja Iglesias).

I'm guessing that 33 year old Stoke reject Joselu isn't really the sit-up-and-take-note signing that we're hoping for.

I think it will be more a winger/second striker type than your straight up centre forward.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on May 03, 2023, 08:41:16 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on May 03, 2023, 08:25:11 AM
Quote from: Dave on May 03, 2023, 08:18:01 AM
Quote from: Clampy on May 03, 2023, 07:13:49 AM
I reckon the striker Emery wants (and he has already said he wants another one) will be someone he knows from Spain

I struggle to see who though. 

The players scoring goals are either old and off the table (Benzema, Lewandowski, Greizmann), old and already failed in the Premier League (Joselu, Aspas, Morata, Sorloth, Braithwaite) or having that one good season after several years of not doing very much (Unal, Borja Iglesias).

I'm guessing that 33 year old Stoke reject Joselu isn't really the sit-up-and-take-note signing that we're hoping for.

I think it will be more a winger/second striker type than your straight up centre forward.

I'd rather hope that reinforcements in those positions aren't either / or.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on May 03, 2023, 08:44:10 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: danno on May 02, 2023, 09:25:13 PM
Would Tammy really cost £80 million? It’s not as if he’s lit up Serie A.
Plus judging by the amount of rumours appearing about him, I have a feeling it’s Roma wanting him out the door and planting stories.
I think he'd be £50m max.  Big wages though.

I think he'd be a very good player for us.  Whether it's where we want to spend that sort of money is a different matter.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: placeforparks on May 03, 2023, 08:50:35 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on May 03, 2023, 08:25:11 AM
I think it will be more a winger/second striker type than your straight up centre forward.

i think you're right. there a number of options at villarreal, and we know he is interested in nico williams at bilbao.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 03, 2023, 08:53:36 AM
			

			

				I’d ask again about Joao Félix. He’s done okay in a shambolic Chelsea team.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on May 03, 2023, 09:17:09 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on May 03, 2023, 08:18:01 AM
Quote from: Clampy on May 03, 2023, 07:13:49 AM
I reckon the striker Emery wants (and he has already said he wants another one) will be someone he knows from Spain

I struggle to see who though. 

The players scoring goals are either old and off the table (Benzema, Lewandowski, Greizmann), old and already failed in the Premier League (Joselu, Aspas, Morata, Sorloth, Braithwaite) or having that one good season after several years of not doing very much (Unal, Borja Iglesias).

I'm guessing that 33 year old Stoke reject Joselu isn't really the sit-up-and-take-note signing that we're hoping for.

I'd take Morata, his 'failure' at Chelsea still saw him score 1 in 3 and his hold-up play is fantastic, he'd be great for Duran to learn from.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on May 03, 2023, 09:21:52 AM
			

			

				Gnonto looks a phenomenon, I would take him in a heartbeat.

For Tammy, he's done very well at Roma and no doubt Emery could help him like he's helped Ollie. He isn't as quick as Ollie though, nor does he run at players with as much dynamism - he does a lot of back to goal work, which doesn't seem to be where we're going.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on May 03, 2023, 09:28:53 AM
			

			

				Don't we already have the "a bit similar to Ollie, not sure if they can play together" player in Archer?

The trouble is, I don't think anybody other than Emery really knows what his long term plan looks like. He's getting the absolute maximum out of the squad at the moment, with his 4-4-2 consisting of Ramsey and McGinn out wide, and either Bailey or Buendia as the number 10 next to/behind Watkins. Given the chance to add 3-4 of his own players, what's that going to look like next season? More natural width from the wide midfielders? Another similar player next to Watkins, or somebody with more pace?

Exciting times anyway, especially if we get this Barcelona dude in.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on May 03, 2023, 09:35:50 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Monty on May 03, 2023, 09:21:52 AM
Gnonto looks a phenomenon, I would take him in a heartbeat.

For Tammy, he's done very well at Roma and no doubt Emery could help him like he's helped Ollie. He isn't as quick as Ollie though, nor does he run at players with as much dynamism - he does a lot of back to goal work, which doesn't seem to be where we're going.

I'm not sure about Gnonto, he might become a very good player but right now he's one of a very long list of players with technical ability and pace but not enough end product. he is still very young so there's every chance he'll get better but I'm not sure he's close enough to be on our list this summer.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on May 03, 2023, 09:36:05 AM
			

			

				Someone I reckon we might be interested in that would fit the profile - Dani Olmo at Leipzig. 

Only 24, would play that Buendia / Ramsey role, has done well at pretty much every step up, loads of Champions League and international experience. Effectively the first name on the team sheet for Spain these days.

But probably not quite sexy enough for the teams above us. Only a year left on his contract too.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on May 03, 2023, 09:42:06 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on May 03, 2023, 09:35:50 AM
Quote from: Monty on May 03, 2023, 09:21:52 AM
Gnonto looks a phenomenon, I would take him in a heartbeat.

For Tammy, he's done very well at Roma and no doubt Emery could help him like he's helped Ollie. He isn't as quick as Ollie though, nor does he run at players with as much dynamism - he does a lot of back to goal work, which doesn't seem to be where we're going.

I'm not sure about Gnonto, he might become a very good player but right now he's one of a very long list of players with technical ability and pace but not enough end product. he is still very young so there's every chance he'll get better but I'm not sure he's close enough to be on our list this summer.

He's like 12 years old, if he had end product he'd be beyond Leeds' (our our) limits.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on May 03, 2023, 09:56:45 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Monty on May 03, 2023, 09:42:06 AM
Quote from: paul_e on May 03, 2023, 09:35:50 AM
Quote from: Monty on May 03, 2023, 09:21:52 AM
Gnonto looks a phenomenon, I would take him in a heartbeat.

For Tammy, he's done very well at Roma and no doubt Emery could help him like he's helped Ollie. He isn't as quick as Ollie though, nor does he run at players with as much dynamism - he does a lot of back to goal work, which doesn't seem to be where we're going.

I'm not sure about Gnonto, he might become a very good player but right now he's one of a very long list of players with technical ability and pace but not enough end product. he is still very young so there's every chance he'll get better but I'm not sure he's close enough to be on our list this summer.

He's like 12 years old, if he had end product he'd be beyond Leeds' (our our) limits.

Yep, as I said, he'll get better but I don't think we need another young prospect to develop right now, with Archer, Duran and AJ Ramsey all looking for game time in attacking positions. We need someone who is a bit further along in their development really.

Olmo is another who just doesn't score/assist enough. With our shape we really need someone who can get into double figures from that 2nd striker role.

I know it's a nothing link that came from a podcast but Dybala would be perfect, someone like him who can play on his own or as a 2 and can drift deep and wide and be a creator as well as a scorer, asking for the world I know but having a truly world class player (or maybe 1 step down from that) in that Buendia/Bailey position is key to pushing on from the last 6 months.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on May 03, 2023, 09:59:14 AM
			

			

				I think Dybala wouldn't suit us.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on May 03, 2023, 10:00:15 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Monty on May 03, 2023, 09:59:14 AM
I think Dybala wouldn't suit us.

How so?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on May 03, 2023, 10:03:09 AM
			

			

				He's not really dynamic enough, hasn't ever really been a player to thrive pressing from the front. He does pretty well for Mourinho, lurking around the halfway line when out Roma are defending and the 18-yard line when they're attacking, but the more proactive thing has never been his bag. Add into which I think he'd struggle to adapt to the concussive nature of the game in England.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on May 03, 2023, 10:10:02 AM
			

			

				Gnonto would be a great acquisition, even if it was only as an attacking option from the bench. He's like a younger Saint-Maximin, with that same sort of "frighten the life out of defenders" ability. The sort of player we thought we were getting with Bailey, but didn't.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on May 03, 2023, 10:14:24 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Monty on May 03, 2023, 10:03:09 AM
He's not really dynamic enough, hasn't ever really been a player to thrive pressing from the front. He does pretty well for Mourinho, lurking around the halfway line when out Roma are defending and the 18-yard line when they're attacking, but the more proactive thing has never been his bag. Add into which I think he'd struggle to adapt to the concussive nature of the game in England.

Yeah maybe, I think he'd be a big upgrade on Buendia though. We'd lose some defensive effort but the extra attacking threat we'd get would make up for it. You might be right that the league would be a bit tough for him though.

Maybe Coutinho can be the player who fills that role for us or maybe Bailey can be but I don't think we can afford to rely on them so bringing someone in is the absolute priority for me and it needs to be someone who will push for double figures on goals and assists. We have plenty of players who can get 5-6 goals and assists over a season so we need someone who is clearly better than that.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on May 03, 2023, 10:19:45 AM
			

			

				He'd be an upgrade on Buendia when he gets the ball, but he'd get it a lot less often. Our system (and Emery's systems in general) carry no passengers - everyone has to contribute. I just can't help but feel that there's a better fit, maybe less spectacular but who'd definitely improve us where it counts.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on May 03, 2023, 01:42:22 PM
			

			

				The links to Nico Williams seemed quite strong, would he not be an option in the summer?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on May 03, 2023, 01:49:22 PM
			

			

				Just remembered when Paul Lambert said we need players like Lewis Holtby. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on May 03, 2023, 02:19:11 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on May 03, 2023, 01:42:22 PM
The links to Nico Williams seemed quite strong, would he not be an option in the summer?

Not sure they were stronger than to anyone else we were randomly linked with.

A random journalist with no history of reporting on  Villa saying we were going to meet his buy-out clause but he didn't want to come.

Any nobody else picking up the story apart from the usual clickbait places.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SamTheMouse on May 03, 2023, 02:33:34 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on May 03, 2023, 10:10:02 AM
Gnonto would be a great acquisition, even if it was only as an attacking option from the bench. He's like a younger Saint-Maximin, with that same sort of "frighten the life out of defenders" ability. The sort of player we thought we were getting with Bailey, but didn't.

Yeah Gnonto seems to have a sprinkling of X-factor. You sort of expect something to happen when he gets the ball, even when he's not really in form. A big player for the future.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john2710 on May 03, 2023, 03:14:47 PM
			

			

				Regarding Gnonto, he had a good game against us at Villa Park. But other than that it's a no thanks from me. 

Tammy is a yes, you can never have too many good players but I doubt we'll be in for him.

We need first choice players for the following.
Two new attacking options, an attacking / creative midfielder & a right back. Don't know who they'll be but that lot will probably cost upwards of £130m. 

Add in a few re-enforcements, back up keeper, young centre half, another back up midfielder & maybe some of those who've been on loan. 

Sell or release Sanson, Olsen, Couthino, Dendonker, Chambers & Traore. I also think we'll cash in on Archer if we can get £20m+.

Don't suppose anyone would take back a cut price Chukwemenka?

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on May 03, 2023, 03:32:32 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on May 03, 2023, 02:19:11 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 03, 2023, 01:42:22 PM
The links to Nico Williams seemed quite strong, would he not be an option in the summer?

Not sure they were stronger than to anyone else we were randomly linked with.

A random journalist with no history of reporting on  Villa saying we were going to meet his buy-out clause but he didn't want to come.

Any nobody else picking up the story apart from the usual clickbait places.

Is this annoying you more than people still calling the PL "the Premiership"?  ;)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on May 03, 2023, 03:41:36 PM
			

			

				Nothing annoys me. I am a picture of zen-like calm.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on May 03, 2023, 04:18:22 PM
			

			

				I’d be a bit disappointed if we were in for Tammy Abraham he’s just too similar to Watkins and I think we need different options

I know people will say we’re not in a good enough position to turn down the likes of Tammy Abraham but we wouldn’t really be saying that just choosing to go elsewhere

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: curiousorange on May 03, 2023, 04:23:48 PM
			

			

				Genuinely forgotten all about Sanson.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on May 03, 2023, 04:49:21 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on May 03, 2023, 02:19:11 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 03, 2023, 01:42:22 PM
The links to Nico Williams seemed quite strong, would he not be an option in the summer?

Not sure they were stronger than to anyone else we were randomly linked with.

A random journalist with no history of reporting on  Villa saying we were going to meet his buy-out clause but he didn't want to come.

Any nobody else picking up the story apart from the usual clickbait places.

I don't recall the specifics but I remember that Tom Collomosse bloke mentioning it. Isn't he a bit more reliable?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on May 03, 2023, 07:36:58 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on May 03, 2023, 09:36:05 AM
Someone I reckon we might be interested in that would fit the profile - Dani Olmo at Leipzig. 

Only 24, would play that Buendia / Ramsey role, has done well at pretty much every step up, loads of Champions League and international experience. Effectively the first name on the team sheet for Spain these days.

But probably not quite sexy enough for the teams above us. Only a year left on his contract too.

That's a good shout, he will have plenty of offers this summer. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 04, 2023, 01:28:31 AM
			

			

				Eighth-favourites to sign Lionel Messi, Argentinian No. 10 at PSG. Good player, but I'm not sure he fits the profile we're after

https://twitter.com/lmechegaray/status/1653918288127066115
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VinnieChase84 on May 04, 2023, 08:19:18 AM
			

			

				Expect some Spanish league incomings 
One exciting link i've seen is that Fresneda from Valladolid 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Mister E on May 04, 2023, 08:39:42 AM
			

			

				Perhaps Alemany's rumoured arrival will indeed presage the arrival of Raphinha as our much-needed wide man ...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave P on May 04, 2023, 08:56:14 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on May 04, 2023, 01:28:31 AM
Eighth-favourites to sign Lionel Messi, Argentinian No. 10 at PSG. Good player, but I'm not sure he fits the profile we're after

https://twitter.com/lmechegaray/status/1653918288127066115

I might get that image on a T-shirt.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on May 04, 2023, 09:03:34 AM
			

			

				We should go and get Rafael Leao from Milan
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on May 04, 2023, 09:19:44 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on May 03, 2023, 09:28:53 AM
Don't we already have the "a bit similar to Ollie, not sure if they can play together" player in Archer?

The trouble is, I don't think anybody other than Emery really knows what his long term plan looks like. He's getting the absolute maximum out of the squad at the moment, with his 4-4-2 consisting of Ramsey and McGinn out wide, and either Bailey or Buendia as the number 10 next to/behind Watkins. Given the chance to add 3-4 of his own players, what's that going to look like next season? More natural width from the wide midfielders? Another similar player next to Watkins, or somebody with more pace?

Exciting times anyway, especially if we get this Barcelona dude in.

I think we definitely need some back up options for McGinn and Ramsey as we currently don't have anyone else who can play those roles really.  Funnily enough, I think it would suit Sanson, but don't know if that bloke has just gone too far now.

I think he will look at bringing a right-back in, a wide player who is an upgrade on Bailey and Traore, a 'number 10' style player and competition for Watkins up front.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on May 04, 2023, 09:56:31 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 04, 2023, 09:19:44 AM
Quote from: Risso on May 03, 2023, 09:28:53 AM
Don't we already have the "a bit similar to Ollie, not sure if they can play together" player in Archer?

The trouble is, I don't think anybody other than Emery really knows what his long term plan looks like. He's getting the absolute maximum out of the squad at the moment, with his 4-4-2 consisting of Ramsey and McGinn out wide, and either Bailey or Buendia as the number 10 next to/behind Watkins. Given the chance to add 3-4 of his own players, what's that going to look like next season? More natural width from the wide midfielders? Another similar player next to Watkins, or somebody with more pace?

Exciting times anyway, especially if we get this Barcelona dude in.

I think we definitely need some back up options for McGinn and Ramsey as we currently don't have anyone else who can play those roles really.  Funnily enough, I think it would suit Sanson, but don't know if that bloke has just gone too far now.

I think he will look at bringing a right-back in, a wide player who is an upgrade on Bailey and Traore, a 'number 10' style player and competition for Watkins up front.

I suspect those 3 roles might be covered by 1 or 2 signings. Emery likes a fairly small squad and likes players with a bit of versatility.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on May 04, 2023, 10:05:47 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on May 04, 2023, 09:56:31 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 04, 2023, 09:19:44 AM
Quote from: Risso on May 03, 2023, 09:28:53 AM
Don't we already have the "a bit similar to Ollie, not sure if they can play together" player in Archer?

The trouble is, I don't think anybody other than Emery really knows what his long term plan looks like. He's getting the absolute maximum out of the squad at the moment, with his 4-4-2 consisting of Ramsey and McGinn out wide, and either Bailey or Buendia as the number 10 next to/behind Watkins. Given the chance to add 3-4 of his own players, what's that going to look like next season? More natural width from the wide midfielders? Another similar player next to Watkins, or somebody with more pace?

Exciting times anyway, especially if we get this Barcelona dude in.

I think we definitely need some back up options for McGinn and Ramsey as we currently don't have anyone else who can play those roles really.  Funnily enough, I think it would suit Sanson, but don't know if that bloke has just gone too far now.

I think he will look at bringing a right-back in, a wide player who is an upgrade on Bailey and Traore, a 'number 10' style player and competition for Watkins up front.

I suspect those 3 roles might be covered by 1 or 2 signings. Emery likes a fairly small squad and likes players with a bit of versatility.

Agreed, you can see already that he likes it when players can switch up their roles, like McGinn going wide right or in one of the deeper central roles or Buendia going from wide right to second striker.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on May 04, 2023, 10:07:16 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: curiousorange on May 03, 2023, 04:23:48 PM
Genuinely forgotten all about Sanson.

He's doing well on-loan at Strasbourg by all accounts. I can see him returning and hanging around if we make Europe. We've needed more midfield options in recent weeks, we'll need even more if we're playing Thu-Sun-Thu. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on May 04, 2023, 10:08:13 AM
			

			

				Kessie, Christiansen and Williams being linked. Not sure about Christiansen but yes please to the other two. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SoccerHQ on May 04, 2023, 11:02:34 AM
			

			

				Watched a bit of Valencia-Villareal last night. Pau Torres is class at the back. Superb reading of the game, decent heading and he can play out no problem.

I think that's the calibre we can make a play for if we qualify for europe. Much harder if we don't as he's previously turned down likes of Spurs and Villareal are comfortable in 5th now and still have outside chance of making 4th.

Our defensive record bar that little spell in February when we were leaking goals has been outstanding under Emery. We'll probably end up with 4th or 5th defence in the league so makes sense to add another top quality CB just in case of injuries next season.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on May 04, 2023, 11:05:41 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on May 04, 2023, 01:28:31 AM
Eighth-favourites to sign Lionel Messi, Argentinian No. 10 at PSG. Good player, but I'm not sure he fits the profile we're after

https://twitter.com/lmechegaray/status/1653918288127066115

I think his £400m a year wages requirements *might* just pose one or two FFP issues! I'd give it a go at sorting it out for them with some creative accounting though.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on May 04, 2023, 11:35:38 AM
			

			

				BBC gossip has Italian media saying Tammy is available for £35-40m. 

Still not sure about him however that price tag seems much more reasonable than the £80m discussed recently. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: not3bad on May 04, 2023, 12:30:16 PM
			

			

				Alex Moreno "on Manchester City's radar".

http://sportwitness.co.uk/surprise-claim-man-city-picture-signing-pl-sides-january-signing-transfer-doors-open/
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: curiousorange on May 04, 2023, 12:38:01 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: not3bad on May 04, 2023, 12:30:16 PM
Alex Moreno "on Manchester City's radar".

http://sportwitness.co.uk/surprise-claim-man-city-picture-signing-pl-sides-january-signing-transfer-doors-open/

Player doing well for a promising team being needlessly signed by Manchester City? Well, I never.


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on May 04, 2023, 12:46:40 PM
			

			

				Our standard fee if Man City come calling for anybody is £100m.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on May 04, 2023, 12:57:21 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on May 04, 2023, 12:46:40 PM
Our standard fee if Man City come calling for anybody is £100m.
That was the price in 2021.  I fully expect transfer fee inflation to match season ticket inflation, and for us to tell them that we don't even look at the fax they've sent unless it mentions a figure north of £125m 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on May 04, 2023, 01:23:48 PM
			

			

				Ferran Torres linked with us. Now that would be good  8)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on May 04, 2023, 01:49:20 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on May 04, 2023, 01:23:48 PM
Ferran Torres linked with us. Now that would be good  8)

I'm sure it's just AI-generated spin-the-wheel rumour bullshit, but honestly - I think that would be an incredibly good move.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on May 04, 2023, 01:53:12 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Monty on May 04, 2023, 01:49:20 PM
Quote from: Smirker on May 04, 2023, 01:23:48 PM
Ferran Torres linked with us. Now that would be good  8)

I'm sure it's just AI-generated spin-the-wheel rumour bullshit, but honestly - I think that would be an incredibly good move.

Was Alemany at Valencia at the same times as Torres? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villafirst on May 04, 2023, 02:23:33 PM
			

			

				Some rumour that Guardiola is considering a move for Alex Moreno? Surely not!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on May 04, 2023, 03:15:14 PM
			

			

				Citeh can fuck off. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 04, 2023, 04:32:17 PM
			

			

				Looking at the players Chelsea have that they'll need to offload, I'd take Trevoh Chalobah off their hands if the price was right.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 04, 2023, 04:35:03 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on May 04, 2023, 03:15:14 PM
Citeh can fuck off. 

All of them 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 04, 2023, 04:47:24 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on May 04, 2023, 01:23:48 PM
Ferran Torres linked with us. Now that would be good  8)

Like a footballing El Ghazi. Good, young player. He's hooked up with Luis Enrique's daughter. Maybe Luis fancies a game, we need competition up front.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on May 04, 2023, 06:54:46 PM
			

			

				Speaking of Anwar, even though Mark continues to bully him, the one thing he can't deny is his ability from the penalty spot. 

And El Ghazi duly scored a penalty in PSV's shoot-out win over Ajax in the Dutch Cup final last weekend. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on May 04, 2023, 07:36:28 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on May 04, 2023, 01:23:48 PM
Ferran Torres linked with us. Now that would be good  8)

Good at Valencia, what 5 years ago. Big money moves to Man City and Barcelona haven’t really worked for him. Certainly something to prove if the price was reasonable.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on May 04, 2023, 07:59:03 PM
			

			

				Along with the Torres rumour there's also one going round linking us with Dusan Vlahovic. I've seen worse links.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on May 04, 2023, 08:23:22 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on May 04, 2023, 07:59:03 PM
Along with the Torres rumour there's also one going round linking us with Dusan Vlahovic. I've seen worse links.

I think we are going to see quite a few eyebrow-raising links over the next few months if Alemany comes on board. 

My Spanish isn't great but from MARCA, 

Quote
@MARCA
El equipo de Birmingham quiere reforzar su delantera y, según ha podido saber @MARCA, está dispuesto a pagar más de 100 millones de euros por Ferran Torres + Dusan Vlahovic
The Birmingham team wants to strengthen its lead and, as you may have learned @MARCA, is willing to pay more than 100 million euros for Ferran Torres + Dusan Vlahovic

We are willing to spend 100m for Torres and Vlahovic. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: bob on May 04, 2023, 08:57:18 PM
			

			

				I read that as total villadelph, not 100m each
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on May 04, 2023, 09:01:40 PM
			

			

				The sense of disapointment when our first signing is Loftus-Cheek is going to be crippling! ;)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 04, 2023, 09:05:59 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: bob on May 04, 2023, 08:57:18 PM
I read that as total villadelph, not 100m each

Chicken feed then😳😃
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on May 04, 2023, 09:08:20 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: bob on May 04, 2023, 08:57:18 PM
I read that as total villadelph, not 100m each

I read it the same way. Sorry, I didn't mean to imply it would be a 200m net spend on two players. It was the first time I saw the Vlahovic link, so I emphasized the and. 

I'm sure its all pie in the sky at this point.. its Marca in May. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, fexpectations and rumours.

				Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on May 04, 2023, 09:13:40 PM
			

			

				Fichajes(?) in Spain, linking us with Kessie and Christensen from Barca, and Williams from Athletic. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on May 04, 2023, 09:18:43 PM
			

			

				The Telegraph are reporting the Torres/Vlahovic story and added Kieran Tierney's name to the story. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 04, 2023, 09:20:41 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on May 04, 2023, 09:18:43 PM
The Telegraph are reporting the Torres/Vlahovic story and added Kieran Tierney's name to the story. 

Don't believe we need a left-back, thankfully.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on May 04, 2023, 09:24:49 PM
			

			

				Now being linked with Barnes... 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: danno on May 04, 2023, 09:28:26 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on May 04, 2023, 09:24:49 PM
Now being linked with Barnes...

Getting on a bit isn't he?  possibly worth it for the viral initiation rap song though
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 04, 2023, 09:30:40 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on May 04, 2023, 09:24:49 PM
Now being linked with Barnes... 

No ta!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SamTheMouse on May 04, 2023, 09:30:51 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on May 04, 2023, 07:59:03 PM
Along with the Torres rumour there's also one going round linking us with Dusan Vlahovic. I've seen worse links.

Fuck me even if it's nonsense, it's exciting nonsense!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on May 04, 2023, 09:33:15 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on May 04, 2023, 09:18:43 PM
The Telegraph are reporting the Torres/Vlahovic story and added Kieran Tierney's name to the story. 

Tierney is a cracking player but about as reliable as an Alfa Romeo
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 04, 2023, 09:41:28 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on May 04, 2023, 09:33:15 PM
Quote from: OCD on May 04, 2023, 09:18:43 PM
The Telegraph are reporting the Torres/Vlahovic story and added Kieran Tierney's name to the story. 

Tierney is a cracking player but about as reliable as an Alfa Romeo

That's the issue, skilful player but made of glass. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on May 04, 2023, 09:53:41 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on May 04, 2023, 09:33:15 PM
Quote from: OCD on May 04, 2023, 09:18:43 PM
The Telegraph are reporting the Torres/Vlahovic story and added Kieran Tierney's name to the story. 

Tierney is a cracking player but about as reliable as an Alfa Romeo

It's also hard to see why he'd swap being reserve left-back for Arsenal to be reserve left-back for Villa.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on May 04, 2023, 10:06:29 PM
			

			

				More money maybe...just like Smith-Rowe  :D
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: bob on May 04, 2023, 10:09:02 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: villadelph on May 04, 2023, 09:08:20 PM
Quote from: bob on May 04, 2023, 08:57:18 PM
I read that as total villadelph, not 100m each

I read it the same way. Sorry, I didn't mean to imply it would be a 200m net spend on two players. It was the first time I saw the Vlahovic link, so I emphasized the and. 

I'm sure its all pie in the sky at this point.. its Marca in May.

Ah I get you now. Sorry, my mistake. 

I have been thinking about how much we'll spend in summer, and I'm hopeful it could, or should, be towards £200m. If we mean business.

So I was thinking I would like those players but wouldn't want to blow it all on them.

How much do you think we'll spend? Is £200m too much?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on May 04, 2023, 10:36:51 PM
			

			

				What fee would Vlahovic command, £70m?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 04, 2023, 11:02:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: bob on May 04, 2023, 10:09:02 PM
I have been thinking about how much we'll spend in summer, and I'm hopeful it could, or should, be towards £200m. If we mean business.

So I was thinking I would like those players but wouldn't want to blow it all on them.

How much do you think we'll spend? Is £200m too much?

Good question. I would guess £200m-300m given we spent relatively little last summer and in January. I'd be surprised (and disappointed) if it's less than £150m given we're in the market for high quality additions in a number of positions, including a forward and an attacking winger. Especially as the arrivals of Unai and Alemany means this feels like a pivotal moment.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on May 04, 2023, 11:25:24 PM
			

			

				Won't FFP still loom large? More than £150m would be exciting but how realistic is it?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on May 05, 2023, 12:36:10 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on May 04, 2023, 09:20:41 PM
Quote from: OCD on May 04, 2023, 09:18:43 PM
The Telegraph are reporting the Torres/Vlahovic story and added Kieran Tierney's name to the story. 

Don't believe we need a left-back, thankfully.

Think Digne will go in the summer if we can find a buyer.  Think his wages are too high for someone who is now clearly 2nd choice.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ROBBO on May 05, 2023, 02:19:06 AM
			

			

				It would be a shame to lose Digne, he has done well as cover. I'm just ignoring all the transfer talk for the next few weeks, all it will be is agents looking for a new pay day. Emery will know who he wants and I think there will be a few suprises.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on May 05, 2023, 07:13:08 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on May 04, 2023, 11:02:18 PM
Quote from: bob on May 04, 2023, 10:09:02 PM
I have been thinking about how much we'll spend in summer, and I'm hopeful it could, or should, be towards £200m. If we mean business.

So I was thinking I would like those players but wouldn't want to blow it all on them.

How much do you think we'll spend? Is £200m too much?

Good question. I would guess £200m-300m given we spent relatively little last summer and in January. I'd be surprised (and disappointed) if it's less than £150m given we're in the market for high quality additions in a number of positions, including a forward and an attacking winger. Especially as the arrivals of Unai and Alemany means this feels like a pivotal moment.
Not sure we'll go in quite that heavy (£200-300m). Emery doesn't strike me as that kind of manager and we don't seem that sort of club.

I'm expecting a few clever free/cheap transfers backed up by a couple of bigger signings. I'm thinking £80m-£120m kind of range, more likely to be at the bottom end that the top.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Mister E on May 05, 2023, 07:16:06 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: algy on May 05, 2023, 07:13:08 AM
Not sure we'll go in quite that heavy (£200-300m). Emery doesn't strike me as that kind of manager and we don't seem that sort of club.

I'm expecting a few clever free/cheap transfers backed up by a couple of bigger signings. I'm thinking £80m-£120m kind of range, more likely to be at the bottom end that the top.
I agree with that, algy.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on May 05, 2023, 07:21:00 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: algy on May 05, 2023, 07:13:08 AM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on May 04, 2023, 11:02:18 PM
Quote from: bob on May 04, 2023, 10:09:02 PM
I have been thinking about how much we'll spend in summer, and I'm hopeful it could, or should, be towards £200m. If we mean business.

So I was thinking I would like those players but wouldn't want to blow it all on them.

How much do you think we'll spend? Is £200m too much?

Good question. I would guess £200m-300m given we spent relatively little last summer and in January. I'd be surprised (and disappointed) if it's less than £150m given we're in the market for high quality additions in a number of positions, including a forward and an attacking winger. Especially as the arrivals of Unai and Alemany means this feels like a pivotal moment.
Not sure we'll go in quite that heavy (£200-300m). Emery doesn't strike me as that kind of manager and we don't seem that sort of club.

I'm expecting a few clever free/cheap transfers backed up by a couple of bigger signings. I'm thinking £80m-£120m kind of range, more likely to be at the bottom end that the top.

I would agree, 200m+ feels unrealistic, particularly if we don’t have at least Europa league football.

2/3 players who are unheralded but players Unai knows will do the jobs he wants of them (including a 2nd choice keeper who is competent with his feet) & 2 maybe 3 who excite us all
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: oldtimernow on May 05, 2023, 08:02:26 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on May 04, 2023, 12:46:40 PM
Our standard fee if Man City come calling for anybody is £100m.

Agreed👍
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: nigel on May 05, 2023, 08:14:54 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: algy on May 05, 2023, 07:13:08 AM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on May 04, 2023, 11:02:18 PM
Quote from: bob on May 04, 2023, 10:09:02 PM
I have been thinking about how much we'll spend in summer, and I'm hopeful it could, or should, be towards £200m. If we mean business.

So I was thinking I would like those players but wouldn't want to blow it all on them.

How much do you think we'll spend? Is £200m too much?

Good question. I would guess £200m-300m given we spent relatively little last summer and in January. I'd be surprised (and disappointed) if it's less than £150m given we're in the market for high quality additions in a number of positions, including a forward and an attacking winger. Especially as the arrivals of Unai and Alemany means this feels like a pivotal moment.
Not sure we'll go in quite that heavy (£200-300m). Emery doesn't strike me as that kind of manager and we don't seem that sort of club.

I'm expecting a few clever free/cheap transfers backed up by a couple of bigger signings. I'm thinking £80m-£120m kind of range, more likely to be at the bottom end that the top.

Agree, I don’t think it will be exceptionally high (£200+m)
Given the players we’re being linked with I’m splitting the difference and going in the region of £120-150m.
Like you, algy, I think there might be a couple of cheaper acquisitions.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 05, 2023, 08:47:25 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: nigel on May 05, 2023, 08:14:54 AM
Quote from: algy on May 05, 2023, 07:13:08 AM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on May 04, 2023, 11:02:18 PM
Quote from: bob on May 04, 2023, 10:09:02 PM
I have been thinking about how much we'll spend in summer, and I'm hopeful it could, or should, be towards £200m. If we mean business.

So I was thinking I would like those players but wouldn't want to blow it all on them.

How much do you think we'll spend? Is £200m too much?

Good question. I would guess £200m-300m given we spent relatively little last summer and in January. I'd be surprised (and disappointed) if it's less than £150m given we're in the market for high quality additions in a number of positions, including a forward and an attacking winger. Especially as the arrivals of Unai and Alemany means this feels like a pivotal moment.
Not sure we'll go in quite that heavy (£200-300m). Emery doesn't strike me as that kind of manager and we don't seem that sort of club.

I'm expecting a few clever free/cheap transfers backed up by a couple of bigger signings. I'm thinking £80m-£120m kind of range, more likely to be at the bottom end that the top.

Agree, I don’t think it will be exceptionally high (£200+m)
Given the players we’re being linked with I’m splitting the difference and going in the region of £120-150m.
Like you, algy, I think there might be a couple of cheaper acquisitions.

Yes, we got probably our best outfield player on a free last summer, and this new bloke is supposed to be quite savvy regarding fees and frees isn’t he? Plus we’ve got some great potential coming back from loans. Whilst a big spend would be exciting, it’s not the be all and end all. Three or four at Kamara/Martinez levels would be fantastic.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on May 05, 2023, 10:02:27 AM
			

			

				We might as well sign an injured player on the cheap; otherwise they'll only get injured in the first couple of games anyway. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on May 05, 2023, 10:30:20 AM
			

			

				Branco van den Boomen on a free from Toulouse is the latest link. 

Dutch box-to-box midfielder. Toulouse's best player by a mile, probably a good squad addition but unlikely to be the difference between 8th and 4th.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 05, 2023, 10:31:38 AM
			

			

				Great name.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on May 05, 2023, 10:32:41 AM
			

			

				Yes, that's a proper name
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on May 05, 2023, 10:35:11 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on May 04, 2023, 11:02:18 PM
Quote from: bob on May 04, 2023, 10:09:02 PM
I have been thinking about how much we'll spend in summer, and I'm hopeful it could, or should, be towards £200m. If we mean business.

So I was thinking I would like those players but wouldn't want to blow it all on them.

How much do you think we'll spend? Is £200m too much?

Good question. I would guess £200m-300m given we spent relatively little last summer and in January. I'd be surprised (and disappointed) if it's less than £150m given we're in the market for high quality additions in a number of positions, including a forward and an attacking winger. Especially as the arrivals of Unai and Alemany means this feels like a pivotal moment.
I'd be absolutely staggered if we spend more than £150m.  I doubt we'll spend more than £100m and even that would be a huge splash.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on May 05, 2023, 10:36:38 AM
			

			

				He's available on a free. Might be an upgrade on Dedoncker as a reserve central midfielder as his goal stats look OK.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 05, 2023, 10:40:45 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on May 05, 2023, 10:32:41 AM
Yes, that's a proper name


Great in the Fantastic 4 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on May 05, 2023, 10:52:32 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on May 05, 2023, 10:35:11 AM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on May 04, 2023, 11:02:18 PM
Quote from: bob on May 04, 2023, 10:09:02 PM
I have been thinking about how much we'll spend in summer, and I'm hopeful it could, or should, be towards £200m. If we mean business.

So I was thinking I would like those players but wouldn't want to blow it all on them.

How much do you think we'll spend? Is £200m too much?

Good question. I would guess £200m-300m given we spent relatively little last summer and in January. I'd be surprised (and disappointed) if it's less than £150m given we're in the market for high quality additions in a number of positions, including a forward and an attacking winger. Especially as the arrivals of Unai and Alemany means this feels like a pivotal moment.
I'd be absolutely staggered if we spend more than £150m.  I doubt we'll spend more than £100m and even that would be a huge splash.

Yep don’t think we will be spending 300 million unless that Tom bloke from Chelsea takes over
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on May 05, 2023, 11:39:19 AM
			

			

				We've need some Dutch Boom since poor Freddie got crocked.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on May 05, 2023, 11:42:21 AM
			

			

				Reminds me of when we were linked with Mark van Bommel. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on May 05, 2023, 11:47:20 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on May 05, 2023, 10:35:11 AM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on May 04, 2023, 11:02:18 PM
Quote from: bob on May 04, 2023, 10:09:02 PM
I have been thinking about how much we'll spend in summer, and I'm hopeful it could, or should, be towards £200m. If we mean business.

So I was thinking I would like those players but wouldn't want to blow it all on them.

How much do you think we'll spend? Is £200m too much?

Good question. I would guess £200m-300m given we spent relatively little last summer and in January. I'd be surprised (and disappointed) if it's less than £150m given we're in the market for high quality additions in a number of positions, including a forward and an attacking winger. Especially as the arrivals of Unai and Alemany means this feels like a pivotal moment.
I'd be absolutely staggered if we spend more than £150m.  I doubt we'll spend more than £100m and even that would be a huge splash.
Yeah - I just cant see that happening.  Despite huge investment, the management don't seem the type to throw money at things in chealsea way.  I think there will be probably 2 or 3 big signings (25m +) and 2 or 3 other shrewd signings like Moreneo.   I would guess between 90m - 120m out.  Unless there are any big outgoings.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brend'Watkins on May 05, 2023, 11:52:56 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on May 05, 2023, 10:36:38 AM
He's available on a free. Might be an upgrade on Dedoncker as a reserve central midfielder as his goal stats look OK.

From the Vid clips I've just seen he's a different kind of player.  Long accurate passing to strikers seems to be his forte.  He also takes a good pen by the looks of it.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: aldridgeboy on May 05, 2023, 11:56:08 AM
			

			

				We could get quite a bit of money come in 
I’d hate it but Martinez could go, there’s £70 m

Equally we could get offers for Ollie/JJ, there’s £60-80m

He may move on the likes of Bailey, cash , Buendia , and there’s another £60-70m 

We could easily be getting £150m in the coffers. 


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on May 05, 2023, 11:58:01 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on May 05, 2023, 10:35:11 AM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on May 04, 2023, 11:02:18 PM
Quote from: bob on May 04, 2023, 10:09:02 PM
I have been thinking about how much we'll spend in summer, and I'm hopeful it could, or should, be towards £200m. If we mean business.

So I was thinking I would like those players but wouldn't want to blow it all on them.

How much do you think we'll spend? Is £200m too much?

Good question. I would guess £200m-300m given we spent relatively little last summer and in January. I'd be surprised (and disappointed) if it's less than £150m given we're in the market for high quality additions in a number of positions, including a forward and an attacking winger. Especially as the arrivals of Unai and Alemany means this feels like a pivotal moment.
I'd be absolutely staggered if we spend more than £150m.  I doubt we'll spend more than £100m and even that would be a huge splash.
Agree, unless we get big money from selling 1 or 2 of our prized assets.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on May 05, 2023, 12:01:43 PM
			

			

				I think it'll be less than 100m as well but it doesn't mean they can't be successful signings that improve the team. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on May 05, 2023, 12:02:52 PM
			

			

				I don't think the arrival of the new guy will just trigger outlandish spending, that's not his way, part of his success is knowing when to cash in on players too. I wouldn't be surprised if we did accept bids for some players you wouldn't necessarily consider surplus.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on May 05, 2023, 12:08:34 PM
			

			

				That would be very Villa, getting excited about a penpusher coming in and selling our best players. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on May 05, 2023, 12:17:05 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PeterWithe on May 05, 2023, 12:08:34 PM
That would be very Villa, getting excited about a penpusher coming in and selling our best players. 

I know, but it is the name of the game in the long term. There were lots of question marks around letting Ings go when we did but it looks like for once we did the smart thing.

The things that had pissed him off at Barca were as much to do with not getting rid of people that they should have, when they should have, as much as anything else.   
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Paul.S on May 05, 2023, 12:22:26 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on May 05, 2023, 10:35:11 AM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on May 04, 2023, 11:02:18 PM
Quote from: bob on May 04, 2023, 10:09:02 PM
I have been thinking about how much we'll spend in summer, and I'm hopeful it could, or should, be towards £200m. If we mean business.

So I was thinking I would like those players but wouldn't want to blow it all on them.

How much do you think we'll spend? Is £200m too much?

Good question. I would guess £200m-300m given we spent relatively little last summer and in January. I'd be surprised (and disappointed) if it's less than £150m given we're in the market for high quality additions in a number of positions, including a forward and an attacking winger. Especially as the arrivals of Unai and Alemany means this feels like a pivotal moment.
I'd be absolutely staggered if we spend more than £150m.  I doubt we'll spend more than £100m and even that would be a huge splash.

I agree. I’ve seen £200m being touted about but unless we get half of that in by selling a few I really can’t see it. I go back to what the owners said when they came in. It was to invest initially and then the club would become self sustainable. The last few windows have shown that this will be the case and the heavy investment in the youth set up also tells the story of their belief in promoting young players from our academy. I expect a few shrewd signings from Europe and that’s it. I hope I’m wrong and we go for it but that would mean a big about turn from the owners.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on May 05, 2023, 12:29:04 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: aldridgeboy on May 05, 2023, 11:56:08 AM
We could get quite a bit of money come in 
I’d hate it but Martinez could go, there’s £70 m

Equally we could get offers for Ollie/JJ, there’s £60-80m

He may move on the likes of Bailey, cash , Buendia , and there’s another £60-70m 

We could easily be getting £150m in the coffers.

There's no chance Martinez is going. Zero.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on May 05, 2023, 12:30:26 PM
			

			

				I think our transfer record will go. Probably on a wide forward of a very high quality. 

I can see 5 or 6 coming in. 2-3 expensive signings and 2-3 value for money types. Then some of the younger players coming back in so that we end up with 2 genuine options per position. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: bob on May 05, 2023, 12:56:19 PM
			

			

				Wouldn't seem like that much to spend over £150m to me. Let's say we smash our transfer record on someone like Vlahovic, along with the two Torres brothers. You're pretty much there already.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on May 05, 2023, 01:10:41 PM
			

			

				Emery has proven he can polish up even the ugliest of turds. I’m looking forward to seeing all the types of players he will bring in because they will immediately more his style of technical player from the off. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: lovejoy on May 05, 2023, 01:20:31 PM
			

			

				Vlahovic is already on £300k per week at Juve, I cannot see how we afford him or how hit fits with Watkins. He uis a fantastic talent though. File under Bentacour.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: curiousorange on May 05, 2023, 01:24:01 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on May 05, 2023, 12:29:04 PM
Quote from: aldridgeboy on May 05, 2023, 11:56:08 AM
We could get quite a bit of money come in 
I’d hate it but Martinez could go, there’s £70 m

Equally we could get offers for Ollie/JJ, there’s £60-80m

He may move on the likes of Bailey, cash , Buendia , and there’s another £60-70m 

We could easily be getting £150m in the coffers.

There's no chance Martinez is going. Zero.

He's a player you build a team around, even though he's a goalkeeper. We're already acutely aware of the difference between an elite keeper and a reserve. Replacing a goalie like Emi probably means either rethinking how the defence works or hoping the new fella does the very few things Martinez doesn't do well.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brend'Watkins on May 05, 2023, 02:05:13 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: curiousorange on May 05, 2023, 01:24:01 PM
Quote from: Drummond on May 05, 2023, 12:29:04 PM
Quote from: aldridgeboy on May 05, 2023, 11:56:08 AM
We could get quite a bit of money come in 
I’d hate it but Martinez could go, there’s £70 m

Equally we could get offers for Ollie/JJ, there’s £60-80m

He may move on the likes of Bailey, cash , Buendia , and there’s another £60-70m 

We could easily be getting £150m in the coffers.

There's no chance Martinez is going. Zero.

He's a player you build a team around, even though he's a goalkeeper. We're already acutely aware of the difference between an elite keeper and a reserve. Replacing a goalie like Emi probably means either rethinking how the defence works or hoping the new fella does the very few things Martinez doesn't do well.

What would those things be?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Chris Smith on May 05, 2023, 02:09:08 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brend'Watkins on May 05, 2023, 02:05:13 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on May 05, 2023, 01:24:01 PM
Quote from: Drummond on May 05, 2023, 12:29:04 PM
Quote from: aldridgeboy on May 05, 2023, 11:56:08 AM
We could get quite a bit of money come in 
I’d hate it but Martinez could go, there’s £70 m

Equally we could get offers for Ollie/JJ, there’s £60-80m

He may move on the likes of Bailey, cash , Buendia , and there’s another £60-70m 

We could easily be getting £150m in the coffers.

There's no chance Martinez is going. Zero.

He's a player you build a team around, even though he's a goalkeeper. We're already acutely aware of the difference between an elite keeper and a reserve. Replacing a goalie like Emi probably means either rethinking how the defence works or hoping the new fella does the very few things Martinez doesn't do well.

What would those things be?

His goal scoring record is abysmal.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on May 05, 2023, 02:29:54 PM
			

			

				Smirker's summer wish list:

New goalkeeper

Pau Torres
Ferran Torres
Mauro Icardi
Guendouzi

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 05, 2023, 02:35:25 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: aldridgeboy on May 05, 2023, 11:56:08 AM
We could get quite a bit of money come in 
I’d hate it but Martinez could go, there’s £70 m

Equally we could get offers for Ollie/JJ, there’s £60-80m

He may move on the likes of Bailey, cash , Buendia , and there’s another £60-70m 

We could easily be getting £150m in the coffers. 



What would be the point of that?

There's a big difference between "spending £150m" and "selling £150m worth of players and then spending £150m"
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on May 05, 2023, 02:38:40 PM
			

			

				It would be like choosing to sell Grealish for £100m and spending £100m on Ings, Buendia and Bailey. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 05, 2023, 02:40:46 PM
			

			

				

Quote from: Smirker on May 05, 2023, 02:29:54 PM
Smirker's summer wish list:

New goalkeeper

Pau Torres
Ferran Torres
Mauro Icardi
Guendouzi


Mine:

Pau Torres
Ferran Torres
Fernando Torres
Fawlty Towers
Blackpool Tower
Eiffel Tower
Tower Ballroom
Leaning Tower
The (London) BT Tower
The (Birmingham) BT Tower
Police Academy's Moses Hightower



			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Hookeysmith on May 05, 2023, 02:56:32 PM
			

			

				I see the links have resurfaced about the South Korean kid from FC Mallorca



Kang-In Lee - very impressive YT montage
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on May 05, 2023, 03:30:34 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 05, 2023, 02:40:46 PM



Mine:


Police Academy's Moses Hightower

Good at corners.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on May 05, 2023, 03:34:22 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Hookeysmith on May 05, 2023, 02:56:32 PM

Kang-In Lee - very impressive YT montage

Aren't they all?!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: aldridgeboy on May 05, 2023, 03:52:14 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 05, 2023, 02:35:25 PM
Quote from: aldridgeboy on May 05, 2023, 11:56:08 AM
We could get quite a bit of money come in 
I’d hate it but Martinez could go, there’s £70 m

Equally we could get offers for Ollie/JJ, there’s £60-80m

He may move on the likes of Bailey, cash , Buendia , and there’s another £60-70m 

We could easily be getting £150m in the coffers. 



What would be the point of that?

There's a big difference between "spending £150m" and "selling £150m worth of players and then spending £150m"

Yep , I don’t disagree. And Bailey aside I wouldn’t want any of them to leave. But it’s possible some of those will. 
I was just making the point (badly) that if we get £150 million in sales , we could easily be spending £200 million plus in the summer. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 05, 2023, 03:58:37 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on May 05, 2023, 03:30:34 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 05, 2023, 02:40:46 PM
Police Academy's Moses Hightower

Good at corners.

Not any more. :(
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 05, 2023, 04:01:51 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 05, 2023, 02:40:46 PM
Mine:

....Fawlty Towers
Blackpool Tower
Eiffel Tower
Tower Ballroom
Leaning Tower....

You'll probably just have to settle for a bottle of Black Tower.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on May 05, 2023, 06:52:33 PM
			

			

				We need to find some players like this kid. On his way to Bayern. Foot like a… you know the rest

https://twitter.com/stoolfootball/status/1654492248476721154?s=46&t=0-BUXD66ovTcofwrbTW4Ag
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 05, 2023, 07:39:25 PM
			

			

				He won't last five minutes showing off like that, he'll rip his hammies to shreds.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 05, 2023, 07:54:47 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on May 05, 2023, 07:39:25 PM
He won't last five minutes showing off like that, he'll rip his hammies to shreds.

He would if he came to B6, plus he's too one-footed for my liking.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brend'Watkins on May 05, 2023, 08:47:57 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Chris Smith on May 05, 2023, 02:09:08 PM
Quote from: Brend'Watkins on May 05, 2023, 02:05:13 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on May 05, 2023, 01:24:01 PM
Quote from: Drummond on May 05, 2023, 12:29:04 PM
Quote from: aldridgeboy on May 05, 2023, 11:56:08 AM
We could get quite a bit of money come in 
I’d hate it but Martinez could go, there’s £70 m

Equally we could get offers for Ollie/JJ, there’s £60-80m

He may move on the likes of Bailey, cash , Buendia , and there’s another £60-70m 

We could easily be getting £150m in the coffers.

There's no chance Martinez is going. Zero.

He's a player you build a team around, even though he's a goalkeeper. We're already acutely aware of the difference between an elite keeper and a reserve. Replacing a goalie like Emi probably means either rethinking how the defence works or hoping the new fella does the very few things Martinez doesn't do well.

What would those things be?

His goal scoring record is abysmal.

Didn’t think of that one. All I could come up with was that he’s too one footed.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on May 05, 2023, 09:07:07 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on May 05, 2023, 07:39:25 PM
He won't last five minutes showing off like that, he'll rip his hammies to shreds.

Only if he is playing for us.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 06, 2023, 02:20:38 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Paul.S on May 05, 2023, 12:22:26 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on May 05, 2023, 10:35:11 AM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on May 04, 2023, 11:02:18 PM
Quote from: bob on May 04, 2023, 10:09:02 PM
I have been thinking about how much we'll spend in summer, and I'm hopeful it could, or should, be towards £200m. If we mean business.

So I was thinking I would like those players but wouldn't want to blow it all on them.

How much do you think we'll spend? Is £200m too much?

Good question. I would guess £200m-300m given we spent relatively little last summer and in January. I'd be surprised (and disappointed) if it's less than £150m given we're in the market for high quality additions in a number of positions, including a forward and an attacking winger. Especially as the arrivals of Unai and Alemany means this feels like a pivotal moment.
I'd be absolutely staggered if we spend more than £150m.  I doubt we'll spend more than £100m and even that would be a huge splash.

I agree. I’ve seen £200m being touted about but unless we get half of that in by selling a few I really can’t see it. I go back to what the owners said when they came in. It was to invest initially and then the club would become self sustainable. The last few windows have shown that this will be the case and the heavy investment in the youth set up also tells the story of their belief in promoting young players from our academy. I expect a few shrewd signings from Europe and that’s it. I hope I’m wrong and we go for it but that would mean a big about turn from the owners.


I suspect (based on no evidence) that the strategy might be to sell the academy players before they get near the first team, which might explain the two goalies on the bench thing while we've been struggling for numbers. The model could be how Chelsea used to be before they went mental, that the youth team and the first team are separate entities that are run to achieve very different goals.

Obviously, if there's a kid coming through the academy with outstanding potential for our first team, then all the better.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Mister E on May 06, 2023, 08:52:02 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on May 06, 2023, 02:20:38 AM
I suspect (based on no evidence) that the strategy might be to sell the academy players before they get near the first team, which might explain the two goalies on the bench thing while we've been struggling for numbers. The model could be how Chelsea used to be before they went mental, that the youth team and the first team are separate entities that are run to achieve very different goals.
Obviously, if there's a kid coming through the academy with outstanding potential for our first team, then all the better.
That's certainly a view expressed by Canadian Pete in his podcast of yesterday.
Which doesn't make it gospel, of course.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on May 06, 2023, 09:00:08 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Mister E on May 06, 2023, 08:52:02 AM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on May 06, 2023, 02:20:38 AM
I suspect (based on no evidence) that the strategy might be to sell the academy players before they get near the first team, which might explain the two goalies on the bench thing while we've been struggling for numbers. The model could be how Chelsea used to be before they went mental, that the youth team and the first team are separate entities that are run to achieve very different goals.
Obviously, if there's a kid coming through the academy with outstanding potential for our first team, then all the better.
That's certainly a view expressed by Canadian Pete in his podcast of yesterday.
Which doesn't make it gospel, of course.
So if the players coming through are not good enough for the first team we move them on, it they are we keep them. Not exactly radical thinking.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on May 06, 2023, 11:19:39 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Mister E on May 06, 2023, 08:52:02 AM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on May 06, 2023, 02:20:38 AM
I suspect (based on no evidence) that the strategy might be to sell the academy players before they get near the first team, which might explain the two goalies on the bench thing while we've been struggling for numbers. The model could be how Chelsea used to be before they went mental, that the youth team and the first team are separate entities that are run to achieve very different goals.
Obviously, if there's a kid coming through the academy with outstanding potential for our first team, then all the better.
That's certainly a view expressed by Canadian Pete in his podcast of yesterday.
Which doesn't make it gospel, of course.

Canadian Pete, Mexican Sexual...they're all the one in the end.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on May 06, 2023, 12:35:19 PM
			

			

				Ideally they go out on loan to other Premier League teams (or other top European Leagues) and prove their value before they're sold. Like how Conor Gallagher had loans at Albion and Crystal Palace, and had they sold him last summer, could have commanded a fee of ~£40m. 

At the moment, such a player coming through our youth would likely be involved with us. But in time, we should be looking for our squad to be strong enough that they're either exceptional, or they follow such a pathway and we can make tens of millions off them. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villan82 on May 06, 2023, 02:03:52 PM
			

			

				Vlahovic- that would be a stunning move if it came off.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SoccerHQ on May 06, 2023, 04:56:06 PM
			

			

				We need some serious quality in final third.

Bailey and Bunedia, we know by now neither will be consistently good for six months.

If we can't feed balls through for Ollie we don't really look like we have many other ways of scoring I'm afraid, certainly not more than other teams we want to be finishing ahead of next season.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: curiousorange on May 06, 2023, 04:57:52 PM
			

			

				Right now I'm back to replacing everybody but the goalkeeper.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on May 06, 2023, 05:00:13 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: SoccerHQ on May 06, 2023, 04:56:06 PM
We need some serious quality in final third.

Bailey and Bunedia, we know by now neither will be consistently good for six months.

If we can't feed balls through for Ollie we don't really look like we have many other ways of scoring I'm afraid, certainly not more than other teams we want to be finishing ahead of next season.
I think this is it for me.  Both have had amble opportunities, but are not top 6 players.  Both too lightweight, both other play too often and give the ball away too easily.  Beundia is worth having in the squad - but Bailey, if we can get money for him - I would take it  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 06, 2023, 05:01:21 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Beard82 on May 06, 2023, 05:00:13 PM
Both have had amble opportunities, but are not top 6 players.  

Yeah, they just stroll around.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: curiousorange on May 06, 2023, 05:04:19 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 06, 2023, 05:01:21 PM
Quote from: Beard82 on May 06, 2023, 05:00:13 PM
Both have had amble opportunities, but are not top 6 players.  

Yeah, they just stroll around.

I'd tell them to take a hike.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SamTheMouse on May 06, 2023, 05:22:03 PM
			

			

				They're all good players, but for top six you need a core of the team who are capable of performing well every single week, not just in patches. If we really are going to get European football, a few of them need to be back-up to better teammates, rather than automatic starters. I'd put Buendia and Bert in that category, and maybe Ramsey. Bailey can just go, he's bottom six standard.

If you stick 50 million pound recruits in their positions, we start to look pretty tasty.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on May 06, 2023, 05:25:01 PM
			

			

				Bailey was, sadly, terrible today.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: curiousorange on May 06, 2023, 05:25:36 PM
			

			

				There aren't really any excuses for a poor window. It needs to be exciting and precise.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SoccerHQ on May 06, 2023, 05:41:28 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: curiousorange on May 06, 2023, 05:25:36 PM
There aren't really any excuses for a poor window. It needs to be exciting and precise.

We need a final third player who can hit 8-10 goals and a few assists in addition to Ollie hopefully shooting 14-15 goals once more.

Bailey has 4 league goals, Buendia 5. We need someone who can double their output in premier league as all the clubs who will be finishing above us do. Son's had his worst season since joining Spurs but he's still hit 10 league goals. Liverpool had Jota injured for six months but he's come back and scored 5 in his last 7.

We don't have enough output in final third. Ollie scoring every week masked that but if he's not on it that's a problem for us going forward.

Crucial we just don't gamble on more Duran type signings given we've very solid at the back now and midfield is very settled now and we'll probably add another player there in the summer for extra competition. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: curiousorange on May 06, 2023, 05:48:49 PM
			

			

				Someone with pace and a decent shot would help enormously.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Mister E on May 06, 2023, 06:11:21 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: curiousorange on May 06, 2023, 05:48:49 PM
Someone with pace and a decent shot would help enormously.
 Archer?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villan82 on May 06, 2023, 06:15:11 PM
			

			

				Trusting Unai to get the players we need to kick on next year. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SoccerHQ on May 06, 2023, 06:20:14 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Mister E on May 06, 2023, 06:11:21 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on May 06, 2023, 05:48:49 PM
Someone with pace and a decent shot would help enormously.
 Archer?

Loan out Duran and get him back in the squad. We still need a proven final third player on top of that as I think we'll sell Bailey if Ajax show serious interest again like they did last summer.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: curiousorange on May 06, 2023, 06:20:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Mister E on May 06, 2023, 06:11:21 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on May 06, 2023, 05:48:49 PM
Someone with pace and a decent shot would help enormously.
 Archer?

I'd much rather have had him as the bench option than Duran.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on May 06, 2023, 06:44:28 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: curiousorange on May 06, 2023, 05:25:36 PM
There aren't really any excuses for a poor window. It needs to be exciting and precise.

I've seen some dating profiles with that description recently. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 06, 2023, 06:47:10 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on May 06, 2023, 06:44:28 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on May 06, 2023, 05:25:36 PM
There aren't really any excuses for a poor window. It needs to be exciting and precise.

I've seen some dating profiles with that description recently. 

Fucking hell, you're home early!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john2710 on May 06, 2023, 07:27:17 PM
			

			

				Out
Olsen, Young, Chambers, Dendonker, Traore,  Couthino & Sanson. We'll be lucky to get £30m in total.

In
Back up keeper
First choice right back
Young centre half
First choice midfielder
First choice No 10
First choice right forward & a young left forward.
To make the improvement we need that's £200m

Add in Archer, Iroegbunam & Ramsey to the squad. If we get £20m+ for Archer we'll sell, likewise Digne & Bailey. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on May 06, 2023, 07:30:22 PM
			

			

				Bailey absolutely has to be moved on. He really is completely dreadful, a step down from even the likes of El Ghazi and Trez. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on May 06, 2023, 07:35:52 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on May 06, 2023, 07:30:22 PM
Bailey absolutely has to be moved on. He really is completely dreadful, a step down from even the likes of El Ghazi and Trez.
I would take Trez over him, at least he worked his nuts off and harassed defenders.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 06, 2023, 07:39:27 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ChicagoLion on May 06, 2023, 07:35:52 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 06, 2023, 07:30:22 PM
Bailey absolutely has to be moved on. He really is completely dreadful, a step down from even the likes of El Ghazi and Trez.
I would take Trez over him, at least he worked his nuts off and harassed defenders.

El Ghazi is better too. But we’ll improve on all of them next season.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 06, 2023, 07:45:07 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: john2710 on May 06, 2023, 07:27:17 PM
Out
Olsen, Young, Chambers, Dendonker, Traore,  Couthino & Sanson. We'll be lucky to get £30m in total.

In
Back up keeper
First choice right back
Young centre half
First choice midfielder
First choice No 10
First choice right forward & a young left forward.
To make the improvement we need that's £200m

Add in Archer, Iroegbunam & Ramsey to the squad. If we get £20m+ for Archer we'll sell, likewise Digne & Bailey.

I don’t think you can put a price on it. Kamara was free so you never know. 

But I mainly agree. In terms of names, I’d like Guendouzi for the first-choice midfielder. The rest - I dunno. Some Spaniards?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on May 06, 2023, 07:51:51 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on May 06, 2023, 06:47:10 PM
Quote from: eamonn on May 06, 2023, 06:44:28 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on May 06, 2023, 05:25:36 PM
There aren't really any excuses for a poor window. It needs to be exciting and precise.

I've seen some dating profiles with that description recently. 

Fucking hell, you're home early!

See post-match thread. Felt like the equivalent of the game.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: curiousorange on May 06, 2023, 07:52:09 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on May 06, 2023, 06:44:28 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on May 06, 2023, 05:25:36 PM
There aren't really any excuses for a poor window. It needs to be exciting and precise.

I've seen some dating profiles with that description recently.

When I was online dating, I probably was exciting and precise. Now I'm a lot fatter with a prostate the size of a honeydew.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on May 06, 2023, 07:57:31 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: john2710 on May 06, 2023, 07:27:17 PM
Out
Olsen, Young, Chambers, Dendonker, Traore,  Couthino & Sanson. We'll be lucky to get £30m in total.

In
Back up keeper
First choice right back
Young centre half
First choice midfielder
First choice No 10
First choice right forward & a young left forward.
To make the improvement we need that's £200m

Add in Archer, Iroegbunam & Ramsey to the squad. If we get £20m+ for Archer we'll sell, likewise Digne & Bailey.
 I don’t think it will be that radical and we are not spending 200 mil.
I do not think we will sell Archer without giving him half a season in the match day squad.
I do agree we need RB, a top level  wide player and midfielder.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Three Spires Villa on May 06, 2023, 07:58:15 PM
			

			

				Personally I don’t have an issue with “Donk” I would keep him tbh
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: curiousorange on May 06, 2023, 08:01:46 PM
			

			

				Dendoncker seems okay. Every squad has its okay players. If we replaced him with good I'd be happy, but I'm not aching to improve on him like I am with some of our starting XI.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on May 06, 2023, 08:02:14 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Three Spires Villa on May 06, 2023, 07:58:15 PM
Personally I don’t have an issue with “Donk” I would keep him tbh

He's an average midfield back up. Nothing against him, but I hope we strengthen suffciently so that the likes of McGinn become the back up and Deconcker moves on.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john2710 on May 06, 2023, 10:10:27 PM
			

			

				We definitely need an upgrade on Dendonker. He's OK, but we can't have another season where if Kamara gets injured the replacement is just nowhere near his standard. Getting by with Luis or McGinn isn't the answer either. Its such a key position for how we want to play. 

Likewise right back, we've seen how much of a threat Moreno is, his football intelligence & how it's key to creating chances. Cash is never going to do that.

Buendia is just a frustrating player, does so much good but gives the ball away or makes the wrong choice more often not. Emery will lose patience with our attacking threat breaking down when the ball gets to Buendia & Bailey.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on May 06, 2023, 10:50:12 PM
			

			

				We need to replace Bailey with a footballer.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 07, 2023, 12:18:46 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: john2710 on May 06, 2023, 07:27:17 PM
Out
Olsen, Young, Chambers, Dendonker, Traore,  Couthino & Sanson. We'll be lucky to get £30m in total.

In
Back up keeper
First choice right back
Young centre half
First choice midfielder
First choice No 10
First choice right forward & a young left forward.
To make the improvement we need that's £200m

Add in Archer, Iroegbunam & Ramsey to the squad. If we get £20m+ for Archer we'll sell, likewise Digne & Bailey.

How is Bailey not in your out section? I get that you end with saying we'll sell in the last sentence but I'd no hyperbole sell him for a lot less than 20. He pisses me off no end.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john2710 on May 07, 2023, 12:37:44 AM
			

			

				Without question Bailey needs to be replaced. But I don't think we'll sell, because I don't think anyone will pay what we'll ask. But his days as a starter are numbered. Maybe he'll go somewhere on loan.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SoccerHQ on May 07, 2023, 12:41:38 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: john2710 on May 07, 2023, 12:37:44 AM
Without question Bailey needs to be replaced. But I don't think we'll sell, because I don't think anyone will pay what we'll ask. But his days as a starter are numbered. Maybe he'll go somewhere on loan.

Ajax were very keen last summer. Not sure what they'd pay but they picked up Haller from West Ham three years ago after he'd flopped, scored loads and then they sold him on for decent profit to Dortmund so think that sort of move would suit all parties.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 07, 2023, 12:53:44 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: john2710 on May 07, 2023, 12:37:44 AM
Without question Bailey needs to be replaced. But I don't think we'll sell, because I don't think anyone will pay what we'll ask. But his days as a starter are numbered. Maybe he'll go somewhere on loan.

I get ya. I can see us getting about 10 - 12 for him if we're willing to accept it (maybe subject to an initial loan) which I obviously would.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Matt C on May 07, 2023, 02:39:25 AM
			

			

				The likes of Dendonker & Chambers are the least of our worries - we need probably three players who instantly upgrade the first team rather than incremental changes to squad players. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on May 07, 2023, 04:47:49 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Matt C on May 07, 2023, 02:39:25 AM
The likes of Dendonker & Chambers are the least of our worries - we need probably three players who instantly upgrade the first team rather than incremental changes to squad players.
This is how I see it.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Martyn Smith on May 07, 2023, 07:49:38 AM
			

			

				I like what I've read about Alex Scott of Bristol City. Dynamic and versatile young midfielder who sounds like he'd suit Emery's style
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on May 07, 2023, 07:51:46 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Martyn Smith on May 07, 2023, 07:49:38 AM
I like what I've read about Alex Scott of Bristol City. Dynamic and versatile young midfielder who sounds like he'd suit Emery's style

They want £30m+ for him though. I think if we're spending that sort of money we need guaranteed quality at this stage, we've got enough promising kids of our own.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 07, 2023, 10:27:10 AM
			

			

				Bailey has been a disaster. Needs moving on.

I agree re proven quality, we don't need to be buying promising youngsters as a matter of priority, we need people we can add to the team and improve it immediately, and we need quite a few of them.

TBF, we clearly are going to be doing a lot of complicated business this summer, they haven't brought Alemany in to oversee a couple of purchases of promising kids.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on May 07, 2023, 11:05:36 AM
			

			

				I like Bailey, but he's just not showing any sort of decent quality on a consistent basis. It's al flash in the pan stuff.

I hope Ajax still think he's the answer for them. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RamboandBruno on May 07, 2023, 11:08:50 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on May 06, 2023, 08:02:14 PM
Quote from: Three Spires Villa on May 06, 2023, 07:58:15 PM
Personally I don’t have an issue with “Donk” I would keep him tbh

He's an average midfield back up. Nothing against him, but I hope we strengthen suffciently so that the likes of McGinn become the back up and Deconcker moves on.

I thought along with Mings (apart from missing that chance), McGinn was our best player yesterday as he has been fairly regularly for the last few months. On recent performances i don’t either will be a back up for anyone. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Paul.S on May 07, 2023, 11:22:56 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on May 06, 2023, 10:50:12 PM
We need to replace Bailey with a footballer.

He’s been a disaster. Injury prone, lacks pace and the ability to beat any defender. I think he knows he’s not up to it at this level and he’s totally shot.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LukeJames on May 07, 2023, 11:42:51 AM
			

			

				As a massive advocate of Bailey before we'd even signed him I'm very disappointed to say I'm done with him aswell. It's just not going to work for him here. The only thing I will say is in his few decent performances for us, he has been played on the left instead of the right but with Emery favouring his wide RM/RW to cut inside thin this will not happen. Move on in the Summer and try and re-coup as much as we can.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on May 07, 2023, 11:44:51 AM
			

			

				Send Bailey to Feyenoord for that Kokcu chap! 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on May 07, 2023, 12:03:22 PM
			

			

				Been linked with Samuel Iling-Junior, a 19 year-old English winger on Juventus books. They're prepared to sell him for around £10m. Think he was part of the England squad that won the Euro's along with Ramsey, Iroegbunam and Chukwuemeka. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dave shelley on May 07, 2023, 12:41:01 PM
			

			

				When fit,  I feel  Bailey has had the most opportunites to prove his worth to Emery which unfortunately he hasn't taken.  I see only one outcome.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on May 07, 2023, 01:32:46 PM
			

			

				I’m sure his dad will still find something to moan about him not getting games. I defended him enough. He’s either flying because of his confidence or a raffle winner conning his way at this level.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 07, 2023, 02:11:50 PM
			

			

				I came to conclusion a while ago that this league is not for him.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on May 07, 2023, 09:50:11 PM
			

			

				Mikel Merino being linked. Meant to be very good.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Richard E on May 07, 2023, 10:09:23 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on May 07, 2023, 09:50:11 PM
Mikel Merino being linked. Meant to be very good.

I hope we’re not too sheepish in the negotiations.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: curiousorange on May 07, 2023, 10:37:42 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Richard E on May 07, 2023, 10:09:23 PM
Quote from: Steve67 on May 07, 2023, 09:50:11 PM
Mikel Merino being linked. Meant to be very good.

I hope we’re not too sheepish in the negotiations.

Don't want anyone pulling the wool over our eyes.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Meanwood Villa on May 07, 2023, 10:44:29 PM
			

			

				A defensive midfielder? So he can protect the baa-ck four
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on May 07, 2023, 10:52:56 PM
			

			

				I like the look of Merino from what I've seen, technically solid but with a bit more physicality than we've got right now, probably the sort of player we need when people casamiro or neves/lamina decide to kick us about the park.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on May 08, 2023, 03:05:54 AM
			

			

				Was that lamb-pun intentional, Paul?!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on May 08, 2023, 06:09:20 AM
			

			

				Also linked with a £60m move for Fulham's Palhinha, who seems to be quite high in demand. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: N'ZMAV on May 08, 2023, 07:44:30 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on May 08, 2023, 06:09:20 AM
Also linked with a £60m move for Fulham's Palhinha, who seems to be quite high in demand. 
 he's good - but there's got to be better value for money than that about
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: nigel on May 08, 2023, 09:22:15 AM
			

			

				
linked with Real Sociedad winger Takefusa Kubo.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 08, 2023, 10:00:28 AM
			

			

				Linked with midfield duo  Anida Pizkwik and Amaplattine Maleggges both at Real Sociedad. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 08, 2023, 10:32:57 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 08, 2023, 10:00:28 AM
Linked with midfield duo  Anida Pizkwik and Amaplattine Maleggges both at Real Sociedad.

That’s how I woke up this morning.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: nigel on May 08, 2023, 10:34:58 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 08, 2023, 10:00:28 AM
Linked with midfield duo  Anida Pizkwik and Amaplattine Maleggges both at Real Sociedad.

You did well to make those name up, impressive 😂
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 08, 2023, 05:53:24 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 08, 2023, 10:00:28 AM
Amaplattine Maleggges 

The man who taught Greg(g) Evans the art of the superfluous G.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on May 09, 2023, 10:06:09 AM
			

			

				Mentioned it on the going down thread but it's probably worth having a bit of a list of the free transfers available this summer, because there's some exceptional players on there:

Full List: https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/statistik/endendevertraege

Highlights:
Skriniar
Rabiot
Thuram
Tielemans
Kamada
Zaha
Asensio
Aouar
Skhiri

Aside from those there are 7-8 others that I think would be worth a look as well, depending on our needs.

Personally I'd take Thuram, Asensio and Kamada. Add Guendouzi and a reserve keeper and I reckon you've solved most of our squad issues for about £35m (but a fuckton of extra wages).
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on May 09, 2023, 10:11:10 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on May 09, 2023, 10:06:09 AM
Mentioned it on the going down thread but it's probably worth having a bit of a list of the free transfers available this summer, because there's some exceptional players on there:

Full List: https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/statistik/endendevertraege

Highlights:
Skriniar
Rabiot
Thuram
Tielemans
Kamada
Zaha
Asensio
Aouar
Skhiri

Aside from those there are 7-8 others that I think would be worth a look as well, depending on our needs.

Personally I'd take Thuram, Asensio and Kamada. Add Guendouzi and a reserve keeper and I reckon you've solved most of our squad issues for about £35m (but a fuckton of extra wages).

Didn't our imcoming man from Barcelona basically rebuild their squad with free transfers? I wasn't aware of this list until you mentioned it on the other thread and I'm now thinking the two things may be linked.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on May 09, 2023, 10:13:35 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on May 09, 2023, 10:11:10 AM
Quote from: paul_e on May 09, 2023, 10:06:09 AM
Mentioned it on the going down thread but it's probably worth having a bit of a list of the free transfers available this summer, because there's some exceptional players on there:

Full List: https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/statistik/endendevertraege

Highlights:
Skriniar
Rabiot
Thuram
Tielemans
Kamada
Zaha
Asensio
Aouar
Skhiri

Aside from those there are 7-8 others that I think would be worth a look as well, depending on our needs.

Personally I'd take Thuram, Asensio and Kamada. Add Guendouzi and a reserve keeper and I reckon you've solved most of our squad issues for about £35m (but a fuckton of extra wages).

Didn't our imcoming man from Barcelona basically rebuild their squad with free transfers? I wasn't aware of this list until you mentioned it on the other thread and I'm now thinking the two things may be linked.


Yep, that's why I looked into it over the weekend (and then forgot to post on here until this morning).
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on May 09, 2023, 10:28:36 AM
			

			

				The issue is obviously that anyone out of contract is going to be after huge money. And while I expect we're not going to be paying peanuts, I don't think we'll be getting involved in the £300k-per-week-plus market that a lot of those players' profiles are going to get them. 

Obviously the counterpoint is Kamara, but for all the talk about being excited by projects, I think he's on record as saying that we're the ones who waved the biggest contract under his nose. And PSG are going to pay Skriniar more than we ever would.

I'd be looking at next summer's free transfers, and seeing what you could pick up for a lower transfer fee with 12 months to go, when the player doesn't have the pick of every club. We're probably not going to be in the market for the likes of Kane, Rashford, Vinicius or Saka - but Milinkovic-Savic? Dembele? Maddison? Zielinksi? Pau Torres? Fofana? Williams? Ben Yedder?

I don't think any of those are completely ridiculous if what we're being told is right. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on May 09, 2023, 10:31:38 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on May 09, 2023, 10:28:36 AM

Obviously the counterpoint is Kamara, but for all the talk about being excited by projects, I think he's on record as saying that we're the ones who waved the biggest contract under his nose. And PSG are going to pay Skriniar more than we ever would.


This seems to have taken hold as accepted wisdom, but the only comment I could find was somebody else saying it on his behalf which isn't the same thing at all.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on May 09, 2023, 10:32:23 AM
			

			

				Looking at Tielemans and Thuram out of that list that would potentially go straight into our team and make us stronger. Both gettable too, and whilst they'd cost in wages they would fetch hefty fees on the open market and still have resale value and age on their side
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on May 09, 2023, 10:36:52 AM
			

			

				Let's say we gave somebody like Zaha a two and a half year contract on £250,000 a week. That would be £32.5m in wages. At the end of it you'd have no resale value, but I bet he'd have provided better value for money in that time than Bailey, who cost nearly that.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 09, 2023, 10:37:12 AM
			

			

				Guendouzi linked with West Ham to replace Rice which I don't like. Also not keen on the repeated link to Moussa Dembele but hopefully it's regurgitated nonsense. Preferred the Vlahović link.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on May 09, 2023, 10:37:38 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on May 09, 2023, 10:36:52 AM
Let's say we gave somebody like Zaha a two and a half year contract on £250,000 a week. That would be £32.5m in wages. At the end of it you'd have no resale value, but I bet he'd have provided better value for money in that time than Bailey, who cost nearly that.

Yep
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on May 09, 2023, 10:48:58 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on May 09, 2023, 10:37:12 AM
Guendouzi linked with West Ham to replace Rice which I don't like.

Wouldn't mind that if Rice ends up here. I suspect Rice will go to Man U though, with Fatty Phillips replacing him at West Ham. Guendouzi seems to adore Emery so he's got to come here.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 09, 2023, 11:04:57 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on May 09, 2023, 10:48:58 AM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on May 09, 2023, 10:37:12 AM
Guendouzi linked with West Ham to replace Rice which I don't like.

Wouldn't mind that if Rice ends up here. I suspect Rice will go to Man U though, with Fatty Phillips replacing him at West Ham. Guendouzi seems to adore Emery so he's got to come here.

Think Rice will go to Arsenal but spot on with Phillips replacing him, looks like he's leaving Citeh. Hopefully Guendouzi still on his way here.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on May 09, 2023, 11:51:33 AM
			

			

				Guendozi is never going to choose West Ham over us. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on May 09, 2023, 12:01:38 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on May 09, 2023, 11:51:33 AM
Guendozi is never going to choose West Ham over us.
London innit.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on May 09, 2023, 12:05:27 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ChicagoLion on May 09, 2023, 12:01:38 PM
Quote from: Drummond on May 09, 2023, 11:51:33 AM
Guendozi is never going to choose West Ham over us.
London innit.

Yep, I get that for some signings, but Guendozi? With Emery? etc. Nah I don't see it. (*crosses fingers)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Stu82 on May 09, 2023, 12:36:57 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on May 08, 2023, 10:32:57 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 08, 2023, 10:00:28 AM
Linked with midfield duo  Anida Pizkwik and Amaplattine Maleggges both at Real Sociedad.

That’s how I woke up this morning.
Excellent Percy
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Hookeysmith on May 09, 2023, 01:01:03 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on May 09, 2023, 10:36:52 AM
Let's say we gave somebody like Zaha a two and a half year contract on £250,000 a week. That would be £32.5m in wages. At the end of it you'd have no resale value, but I bet he'd have provided better value for money in that time than Bailey, who cost nearly that.

Yes but i could not stand looking at the 2nd most punchable face in football (with obvs choice of Ratface as #1)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on May 09, 2023, 01:26:03 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on May 09, 2023, 12:05:27 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on May 09, 2023, 12:01:38 PM
Quote from: Drummond on May 09, 2023, 11:51:33 AM
Guendozi is never going to choose West Ham over us.
London innit.

Yep, I get that for some signings, but Guendozi? With Emery? etc. Nah I don't see it. (*crosses fingers)

He gushed more praise on Emery than a bride receives on her wedding day as someone pointed out on here last week. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on May 09, 2023, 01:39:03 PM
			

			

				Did Tielemans play in the Leicester-Everton game? I saw it said that Emery was at the game. General assumption was that he was scouting Barnes but could he have been looking at Tielemans? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Matt C on May 09, 2023, 02:06:10 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on May 09, 2023, 01:39:03 PM
Did Tielemans play in the Leicester-Everton game? I saw it said that Emery was at the game. General assumption was that he was scouting Barnes but could he have been looking at Tielemans?

He did and like most of Leicester’s midfield, was largely invisible. Not the player I remember.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 09, 2023, 02:10:27 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on May 09, 2023, 10:06:09 AM
Mentioned it on the going down thread but it's probably worth having a bit of a list of the free transfers available this summer, because there's some exceptional players on there:

Full List: https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/statistik/endendevertraege

Highlights:
Skriniar
Rabiot
Thuram
Tielemans
Kamada
Zaha
Asensio
Aouar
Skhiri

Aside from those there are 7-8 others that I think would be worth a look as well, depending on our needs.

I expect that is Man U's shopping list. Until they have new owners they'll continue to shop in the bargain bin.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on May 09, 2023, 02:15:35 PM
			

			

				Probably the players that Chelsea will have brought in on the first day the transfer window opens.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on May 09, 2023, 02:24:05 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on May 09, 2023, 02:10:27 PM
I expect that is Man U's shopping list. Until they have new owners they'll continue to shop in the bargain bin.

Sancho, Antony, Martinez and Casemiro cost a combined £300m over the last two summers. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smithy on May 09, 2023, 02:30:35 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on May 09, 2023, 02:15:35 PM
Probably the players that Chelsea will have brought in on the first day the transfer window opens.

I don't see how Chelsea don't end up having a big clear out this summer, given the number of players they signed last summer who've barely featured, or not impressed at all.  Then you've got the new manager, who will definitely want to bring in some of his own players (no idea how they recruit a genuinely top coach by saying "we've bought all this shit, that's what you've got to work with").

Plus they've got no European football next season, which reduces even further the playing opportunities for their fringe players.

Maybe there will be a bargain to be had in their fire sale? From their fringes I'd take Pulisic and Chalobah as squad players, certainly.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smithy on May 09, 2023, 02:37:24 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on May 09, 2023, 02:24:05 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on May 09, 2023, 02:10:27 PM
I expect that is Man U's shopping list. Until they have new owners they'll continue to shop in the bargain bin.

Sancho, Antony, Martinez and Casemiro cost a combined £300m over the last two summers. 

Yep, this idea that Man Utd have been doing it on a shoe-string is baffling. It's closer to £350m if you include Varane from last summer, too.  I'm guessing it's because their spending hasn't been "record breaking", and looks almost timid compared to Chelsea. But they've spunked a shitload in the last couple of years.

Newcastle is similar, with quite a lot of people somehow thinking "yeah, they're owned by the Saudis, but it's not like they've been throwing money around" - ignoring the fact they spend £180m this season!

I'm really hoping we can splash the cash a bit this summer and bring in the two or three top class players that can turn is into comfortable European contenders, and potential top-four challengers.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on May 09, 2023, 02:47:46 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smithy on May 09, 2023, 02:37:24 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 09, 2023, 02:24:05 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on May 09, 2023, 02:10:27 PM
I expect that is Man U's shopping list. Until they have new owners they'll continue to shop in the bargain bin.

Sancho, Antony, Martinez and Casemiro cost a combined £300m over the last two summers. 

Yep, this idea that Man Utd have been doing it on a shoe-string is baffling. It's closer to £350m if you include Varane from last summer, too. 

Sure, I was just picking the headline figures. Malacia and Ronaldo add another £30m or so as well. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on May 09, 2023, 03:24:32 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smithy on May 09, 2023, 02:37:24 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 09, 2023, 02:24:05 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on May 09, 2023, 02:10:27 PM
I expect that is Man U's shopping list. Until they have new owners they'll continue to shop in the bargain bin.

Sancho, Antony, Martinez and Casemiro cost a combined £300m over the last two summers. 

Yep, this idea that Man Utd have been doing it on a shoe-string is baffling. It's closer to £350m if you include Varane from last summer, too.  I'm guessing it's because their spending hasn't been "record breaking", and looks almost timid compared to Chelsea. But they've spunked a shitload in the last couple of years.

Newcastle is similar, with quite a lot of people somehow thinking "yeah, they're owned by the Saudis, but it's not like they've been throwing money around" - ignoring the fact they spend £180m this season!

I'm really hoping we can splash the cash a bit this summer and bring in the two or three top class players that can turn is into comfortable European contenders, and potential top-four challengers.

Yeah, that is the key for me.  I think the squad is a decent one and where we currently lie is probably about the top end of expectancy with a top manager in charge.

The challenge is now to not only push on to that next level, but stay in the higher reaches of the league for a sustained period of time.  To do that, we are going to have to continuously improve and going to have to be pretty ruthless in replacing players.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 09, 2023, 03:37:44 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 09, 2023, 03:24:32 PM
Quote from: Smithy on May 09, 2023, 02:37:24 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 09, 2023, 02:24:05 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on May 09, 2023, 02:10:27 PM
I expect that is Man U's shopping list. Until they have new owners they'll continue to shop in the bargain bin.

Sancho, Antony, Martinez and Casemiro cost a combined £300m over the last two summers. 

Yep, this idea that Man Utd have been doing it on a shoe-string is baffling. It's closer to £350m if you include Varane from last summer, too.  I'm guessing it's because their spending hasn't been "record breaking", and looks almost timid compared to Chelsea. But they've spunked a shitload in the last couple of years.

Newcastle is similar, with quite a lot of people somehow thinking "yeah, they're owned by the Saudis, but it's not like they've been throwing money around" - ignoring the fact they spend £180m this season!

I'm really hoping we can splash the cash a bit this summer and bring in the two or three top class players that can turn is into comfortable European contenders, and potential top-four challengers.

Yeah, that is the key for me.  I think the squad is a decent one and where we currently lie is probably about the top end of expectancy with a top manager in charge.

The challenge is now to not only push on to that next level, but stay in the higher reaches of the league for a sustained period of time.  To do that, we are going to have to continuously improve and going to have to be pretty ruthless in replacing players.

Yep. I see the players from our regular first XI that need replacing, or at least face direct competition, as Ramsay, McGinn, Buendia, Bailey, Watkins.

Guendouzi would replace McGinn in the hybrid right midfield position with the added bonus of being top class cover for Luiz and Kamara. 

A striker who could combine playing the wide striker role while offering cover and competition for Watkins.

Don’t have names in mind for Buendia and Ramsay roles, but after that I think maybe right-back and definitely keeper cover. If I’m being greedy maybe an improvement on Cash, although I think he has potential to improve under Emery.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on May 09, 2023, 03:56:14 PM
			

			

				We don’t need squad players. We need players who can walk straight into the first team with those currently in the first team being replaced because they are the squad players. The likes of John McGinn, Leander Dendoncker, Buendia and arguably JJ are really decent players but if we want to move on a level, they need to be upgraded.  Same with Ezri, Konsa, Matty Cash.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on May 09, 2023, 03:59:08 PM
			

			

				I wouldn’t put that kind of ceiling on JJ yet. You’d hope he could kick on and become excellent.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on May 09, 2023, 04:04:21 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 09, 2023, 03:59:08 PM
I wouldn’t put that kind of ceiling on JJ yet. You’d hope he could kick on and become excellent.

I agree. But when he has dips in form we don’t have a replacement lined up. He will kick on I’m sure. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dicedlam on May 09, 2023, 04:11:13 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on May 09, 2023, 04:04:21 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 09, 2023, 03:59:08 PM
I wouldn’t put that kind of ceiling on JJ yet. You’d hope he could kick on and become excellent.

I agree. But when he has dips in form we don’t have a replacement lined up. He will kick on I’m sure. 

He has been poor for sometime now. Squad player at best for next season.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on May 09, 2023, 04:22:28 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 09, 2023, 03:59:08 PM
I wouldn’t put that kind of ceiling on JJ yet. You’d hope he could kick on and become excellent.

Indeed. When you consider he's two years younger than Gallagher at Chelsea, so for Ramsey next season is the equivalent to Gallagher having a decent year at Palace. And his numbers there weren't massively different to Ramsey's last season for us.

And these days Gallagher is linked with £40m moves and gets regular England call-ups. 

Ramsey's got a long way to go yet, but there aren't too many 21 year olds doing better than him in the league at the moment. Even on current form. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on May 09, 2023, 04:38:47 PM
			

			

				Age doesn’t really come into it if he’s not performing though. We need consistency so need to buy somebody who can deliver that. Ramsey can then make sure he plays well when called upon.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on May 09, 2023, 04:55:41 PM
			

			

				I don't think we're in a situation where we can bring too many top quality players in without the promise of a decent amount of first team football, or indeed keep a significant number of players who have been getting a decent amount of first team football but we plan to change that arrangement.

Basically I think this whole thing of replacing, I dunno, Dendonker with Guendouzi then just expecting that it won't have some kind of effect on Luiz and/or Kamara is a load of rubbish. Maybe if we get European football next season then we can realistically promise 30+ games a season each to 3 players fighting over 2 positions. Without that though, it's looking a hell of a lot more like 20 appearances max for that 3rd choice player and I'm not convinced they'll hang around that long if that's all that's on offer.

Think we have to be quite careful IF we want to keep some players like Buendia or Ramsey then it can't be "an option off the bench" because that's no use for their careers and probably not that useful for us either longer term. We have to at least be telling them they'll get be getting regular enough football that they'll not see their future elsewhere.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on May 09, 2023, 05:01:56 PM
			

			

				I don't think you promise players x amount of games. It's up to them to compete and make the shirt theirs. Emery wants 2 quality options for  every position so there's then genuine competition and Emery can pick horses for courses and make meaningful tactical changes from the bench. 

His comment about everyone being upgradeable could be quite telling. I think he'll be ruthless in his pursuit of making us into a CL team. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on May 09, 2023, 05:03:41 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on May 09, 2023, 04:38:47 PM
Age doesn’t really come into it if he’s not performing though. We need consistency so need to buy somebody who can deliver that. Ramsey can then make sure he plays well when called upon.

Consistency usually comes with age and experience, and Ramsey is getting there but has a way to go.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on May 09, 2023, 05:12:44 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on May 09, 2023, 05:03:41 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 09, 2023, 04:38:47 PM
Age doesn’t really come into it if he’s not performing though. We need consistency so need to buy somebody who can deliver that. Ramsey can then make sure he plays well when called upon.

Consistency usually comes with age and experience, and Ramsey is getting there but has a way to go.

Indeed and there’s a balance to strike. He isn’t the finished article, and we don’t want to stifle him if his net gain could be high. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 09, 2023, 05:33:39 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 09, 2023, 05:12:44 PM
Quote from: Drummond on May 09, 2023, 05:03:41 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 09, 2023, 04:38:47 PM
Age doesn’t really come into it if he’s not performing though. We need consistency so need to buy somebody who can deliver that. Ramsey can then make sure he plays well when called upon.

Consistency usually comes with age and experience, and Ramsey is getting there but has a way to go.

Indeed and there’s a balance to strike. He isn’t the finished article, and we don’t want to stifle him if his net gain could be high. 

Agreed, but we also don't want to give him more latitude simply because he came through the Academy rather than being signed from the Bundesliga.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 09, 2023, 05:34:48 PM
			

			

				Loucas Moura for 23m? No thanks. https://tbrfootball.com/report-aston-villa-and-newcastle-open-talks-to-sign-23m-tottenham-player/
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on May 09, 2023, 05:58:10 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on May 09, 2023, 05:34:48 PM
Loucas Moura for 23m? No thanks. https://tbrfootball.com/report-aston-villa-and-newcastle-open-talks-to-sign-23m-tottenham-player/

It doesn't say we'd be signing him for that. It says that they signed him for that, and we want to sign him for nothing as he's out of contract and they're not offering him a new one. 

Still a no from me. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 09, 2023, 06:03:11 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on May 09, 2023, 05:58:10 PM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on May 09, 2023, 05:34:48 PM
Loucas Moura for 23m? No thanks. https://tbrfootball.com/report-aston-villa-and-newcastle-open-talks-to-sign-23m-tottenham-player/

It doesn't say we'd be signing him for that. It says that they signed him for that, and we want to sign him for nothing as he's out of contract and they're not offering him a new one. 

Still a no from me. 

You can tell how much credence I gave it by the fact that I didn't bother reading the article. :)

I think we were linked with him in January as well but as you say it's still a no, even it's a free.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on May 09, 2023, 06:38:39 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on May 09, 2023, 05:03:41 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 09, 2023, 04:38:47 PM
Age doesn’t really come into it if he’s not performing though. We need consistency so need to buy somebody who can deliver that. Ramsey can then make sure he plays well when called upon.

Consistency usually comes with age and experience, and Ramsey is getting there but has a way to go.

Agreed. I love him as a player but we need an alternative in his position for when it's not going so well for him, like currently.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on May 09, 2023, 06:47:51 PM
			

			

				Yep, he loses concentration at times or is just a little lost and a break would do him good. Maybe he and his brother will be interchangeable... 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 09, 2023, 07:18:24 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on May 09, 2023, 06:38:39 PM
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Quote from: Risso on May 09, 2023, 04:38:47 PM
Age doesn’t really come into it if he’s not performing though. We need consistency so need to buy somebody who can deliver that. Ramsey can then make sure he plays well when called upon.

Consistency usually comes with age and experience, and Ramsey is getting there but has a way to go.

Agreed. I love him as a player but we need an alternative in his position for when it's not going so well for him, like currently.

Like most of this season. I've always thought Gerrard brought him back too soon and allowed him to play his way to fitness. He's still not pulling up trees though I do think the experience will lead to him having a great season in 23/24. The talent is there.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 09, 2023, 08:24:50 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smithy on May 09, 2023, 02:30:35 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 09, 2023, 02:15:35 PM
Probably the players that Chelsea will have brought in on the first day the transfer window opens.

I don't see how Chelsea don't end up having a big clear out this summer, given the number of players they signed last summer who've barely featured, or not impressed at all.  Then you've got the new manager, who will definitely want to bring in some of his own players (no idea how they recruit a genuinely top coach by saying "we've bought all this shit, that's what you've got to work with").

Plus they've got no European football next season, which reduces even further the playing opportunities for their fringe players.

Maybe there will be a bargain to be had in their fire sale? From their fringes I'd take Pulisic and Chalobah as squad players, certainly.

Chelsea have a June 30th deadline to clear out some deadwood:

'...However, Chelsea might have to hurry to get some of these players off the books in the first few weeks after the transfer window opens on June 10.

For those sales to be included in their financial accounts for 2022-23, Chelsea have to register them before June 30.

What's making things more complicated is that Chelsea can only make deals with other English clubs - which means they might have to sell to their Premier League rivals.'

I don't know why any of that is but they'll be selling, alright. I like Pulisic and would have him as a Bailey replacement.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Vegas on May 09, 2023, 09:51:48 PM
			

			

				I’d definitely take Pulisic as a Bailey upgrade
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: CT Villan on May 09, 2023, 09:55:06 PM
			

			

				Pulisic is a no-brainer if Chelsea's American owner wants to sell his highly marketable "Captain America". I'm sure Wes would be happy to welcome him.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on May 09, 2023, 10:04:31 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on May 09, 2023, 07:18:24 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 09, 2023, 06:38:39 PM
Quote from: Drummond on May 09, 2023, 05:03:41 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 09, 2023, 04:38:47 PM
Age doesn’t really come into it if he’s not performing though. We need consistency so need to buy somebody who can deliver that. Ramsey can then make sure he plays well when called upon.

Consistency usually comes with age and experience, and Ramsey is getting there but has a way to go.

Agreed. I love him as a player but we need an alternative in his position for when it's not going so well for him, like currently.

Like most of this season. I've always thought Gerrard brought him back too soon and allowed him to play his way to fitness. He's still not pulling up trees though I do think the experience will lead to him having a great season in 23/24. The talent is there.

even when he isn't playing well his ability to drive forward with the ball creates a chaos. Where he needs to improve is in the quick simple passes to keep the ball moving and he really should be getting more shots away. When he does shoot he's a good finisher and generates some serious power so we need to work with him on that late break into the box and 1-touch shot.

Still there's every chance he'll end the season in double figures for goals and assists (he has 9 from 32 so far) and I'll take that given it is his second season and that is often a step backwards for young players.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smithy on May 09, 2023, 11:29:21 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on May 09, 2023, 08:24:50 PM
Quote from: Smithy on May 09, 2023, 02:30:35 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 09, 2023, 02:15:35 PM
Probably the players that Chelsea will have brought in on the first day the transfer window opens.

I don't see how Chelsea don't end up having a big clear out this summer, given the number of players they signed last summer who've barely featured, or not impressed at all.  Then you've got the new manager, who will definitely want to bring in some of his own players (no idea how they recruit a genuinely top coach by saying "we've bought all this shit, that's what you've got to work with").

Plus they've got no European football next season, which reduces even further the playing opportunities for their fringe players.

Maybe there will be a bargain to be had in their fire sale? From their fringes I'd take Pulisic and Chalobah as squad players, certainly.

Chelsea have a June 30th deadline to clear out some deadwood:

'...However, Chelsea might have to hurry to get some of these players off the books in the first few weeks after the transfer window opens on June 10.

For those sales to be included in their financial accounts for 2022-23, Chelsea have to register them before June 30.

What's making things more complicated is that Chelsea can only make deals with other English clubs - which means they might have to sell to their Premier League rivals.'

I don't know why any of that is but they'll be selling, alright. I like Pulisic and would have him as a Bailey replacement.

The International transfer window doesn't open until the 1st July, whereas in England we can transfer amongst ourselves from mid June (not sure of the exact date, but it was the 10th June last year).  So, if Chelsea want to sell players, and have those deals included in their 22/23 accounts for FFP purposes, then their ONLY option is to shift them to English clubs. Any international sales won't help them with FFP for this year's books.  If they've somehow managed to avoid FFP issues despite all this spending, then it doesn't matter anyway.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 09, 2023, 11:40:10 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on May 09, 2023, 10:04:31 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on May 09, 2023, 07:18:24 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 09, 2023, 06:38:39 PM
Quote from: Drummond on May 09, 2023, 05:03:41 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 09, 2023, 04:38:47 PM
Age doesn’t really come into it if he’s not performing though. We need consistency so need to buy somebody who can deliver that. Ramsey can then make sure he plays well when called upon.

Consistency usually comes with age and experience, and Ramsey is getting there but has a way to go.

Agreed. I love him as a player but we need an alternative in his position for when it's not going so well for him, like currently.

Like most of this season. I've always thought Gerrard brought him back too soon and allowed him to play his way to fitness. He's still not pulling up trees though I do think the experience will lead to him having a great season in 23/24. The talent is there.

even when he isn't playing well his ability to drive forward with the ball creates a chaos. Where he needs to improve is in the quick simple passes to keep the ball moving and he really should be getting more shots away. When he does shoot he's a good finisher and generates some serious power so we need to work with him on that late break into the box and 1-touch shot.

Still there's every chance he'll end the season in double figures for goals and assists (he has 9 from 32 so far) and I'll take that given it is his second season and that is often a step backwards for young players.

He gets a 6.5 for me for the season. Unless you're his Dad obviously, where he gets a 7.5. He's no where near his potential. As I said, I expect a lot more from your lad next season. The talent is there.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 10, 2023, 12:21:27 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smithy on May 09, 2023, 11:29:21 PM

The International transfer window doesn't open until the 1st July, whereas in England we can transfer amongst ourselves from mid June (not sure of the exact date, but it was the 10th June last year).  So, if Chelsea want to sell players, and have those deals included in their 22/23 accounts for FFP purposes, then their ONLY option is to shift them to English clubs. Any international sales won't help them with FFP for this year's books.  If they've somehow managed to avoid FFP issues despite all this spending, then it doesn't matter anyway.

Thanks for clearing that up, makes sense.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ROBBO on May 10, 2023, 12:57:07 AM
			

			

				JJ like McGinn is better forward than midfield, I thought we were weakened against Wolves playing JM in midfield
and it was kind of ridiculous him trying to mark a player several inches taller at corner kicks. I thought it was a mistake by Emery. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on May 10, 2023, 11:00:05 AM
			

			

				The McGinn-Dawson scrap before the corner must have been a factor in the goal, it seemed to break the player's concentration. 

Presumably Emery look to bring in some height in his recruitment as we often seem to having a McGinn or Buendia on someone who towers over them. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: hipkiss92 on May 10, 2023, 01:05:29 PM
			

			

				I'm going to put 2+2 together and say that Alemany is going to bring in Busqeuts on a free.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65544255

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rigadon on May 10, 2023, 01:11:26 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: hipkiss92 on May 10, 2023, 01:05:29 PM
I'm going to put 2+2 together and say that Alemany is going to bring in Busqeuts on a free.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65544255


Could he do it on a cold Tuesday night in Wolverhampton?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on May 10, 2023, 01:46:51 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ROBBO on May 10, 2023, 12:57:07 AM
JJ like McGinn is better forward than midfield, I thought we were weakened against Wolves playing JM in midfield
and it was kind of ridiculous him trying to mark a player several inches taller at corner kicks. I thought it was a mistake by Emery. 
Like several other teams we have the best headers in zonal positions (Watkins near post, Mings and Konsa more in the middle) and players like McGinn, Ramsey, etc. are there to block - aka wrestle with - the opponents that are a threat.

I don't think McGinn or others in that situation are expected to compete for and win headers against the most dangerous opponents. They are supposed to prevent them getting to the ball or at the very least making sure they don't have a clear run. Hence the use of blockers by the attacking side to disrupt the blockers on the defending team.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on May 10, 2023, 03:04:14 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rigadon on May 10, 2023, 01:11:26 PM
Quote from: hipkiss92 on May 10, 2023, 01:05:29 PM
I'm going to put 2+2 together and say that Alemany is going to bring in Busqeuts on a free.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65544255


Could he do it on a cold Tuesday night in Wolverhampton?

Adama can as long as you remember to bring the baby oil. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: FatSam on May 10, 2023, 04:27:28 PM
			

			

				Being linked to Real Madrid's Marco Asensio according to Villa Report on Twitter. 27 year old right winger whose contract is up in the summer. Supposedly currently on £138k/ week according to some websites, which is fairly average for them.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on May 10, 2023, 04:50:34 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: FatSam on May 10, 2023, 04:27:28 PM
Being linked to Real Madrid's Marco Asensio according to Villa Report on Twitter. 27 year old right winger whose contract is up in the summer. Supposedly currently on £138k/ week according to some websites, which is fairly average for them.

Shares the Mallorca connection with Alemany.. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on May 10, 2023, 05:00:00 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: FatSam on May 10, 2023, 04:27:28 PM
Being linked to Real Madrid's Marco Asensio according to Villa Report on Twitter. 27 year old right winger whose contract is up in the summer. Supposedly currently on £138k/ week according to some websites, which is fairly average for them.

From Barcelona flop to Real Madrid first teamer. With a side of Juventus striker. The quality of links has generally improved lately. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on May 10, 2023, 05:12:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on May 10, 2023, 05:00:00 PM
Quote from: FatSam on May 10, 2023, 04:27:28 PM
Being linked to Real Madrid's Marco Asensio according to Villa Report on Twitter. 27 year old right winger whose contract is up in the summer. Supposedly currently on £138k/ week according to some websites, which is fairly average for them.

From Barcelona flop to Real Madrid first teamer. With a side of Juventus striker. The quality of links has generally improved lately.

If the Juve striker is Vlahovic we have absolutely no chance. Asensio and Busquets I could see. Asensio would be a great signing in my opinion. A real ball tingler.


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on May 10, 2023, 05:13:47 PM
			

			

				I really don't like Busquets though. He's a snidy piece of shit and I've disliked him ever since I saw that video of him spitting at one of the guys on the Spanish bus parade when they won the World Cup. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on May 10, 2023, 05:27:22 PM
			

			

				Juventus link is Vlahovic. I take all these links with a truck load of salt but it's good being linked with names like these none-the-less. 

The Barcelona link I referred to was for Ferran Torres rather than Busquets. I've not actually seen a link to Busquets, just the post about putting 2 and 2 together. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Matt C on May 10, 2023, 05:46:37 PM
			

			

				The Busquets links will be live tomorrow after the “reporters” have finished reading this thread. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on May 10, 2023, 05:51:03 PM
			

			

				Asensio and Torres right and left, wouldn’t be too shabby would it? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 10, 2023, 06:45:38 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on May 10, 2023, 05:51:03 PM
Asensio and Torres right and left, wouldn’t be too shabby would it? 

Depends on who's in the centre.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on May 10, 2023, 06:50:29 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on May 10, 2023, 06:45:38 PM
Quote from: Steve67 on May 10, 2023, 05:51:03 PM
Asensio and Torres right and left, wouldn’t be too shabby would it? 

Depends on who's in the centre.

I'd be interesting in this exciting young French striker Olivier Ouattequinnes.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on May 10, 2023, 06:56:42 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Monty on May 10, 2023, 06:50:29 PM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on May 10, 2023, 06:45:38 PM
Quote from: Steve67 on May 10, 2023, 05:51:03 PM
Asensio and Torres right and left, wouldn’t be too shabby would it? 

Depends on who's in the centre.

I'd be interesting in this exciting young French striker Olivier Ouattequinnes.
Took a few seconds. Very good.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: nigel on May 10, 2023, 07:45:53 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: algy on May 10, 2023, 06:56:42 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 10, 2023, 06:50:29 PM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on May 10, 2023, 06:45:38 PM
Quote from: Steve67 on May 10, 2023, 05:51:03 PM
Asensio and Torres right and left, wouldn’t be too shabby would it? 

Depends on who's in the centre.

I'd be interesting in this exciting young French striker Olivier Ouattequinnes.
Took a few seconds. Very good.

Have to admit I started to google him while trying to pronounce the name
Very clever, Monty 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on May 10, 2023, 07:52:22 PM
			

			

				Asensio would be a fucking incredible signing, a step up from Kamara last summer. He'd be a genuine like-for-like replacement for Grealish. I don't think it'll happen because I suspect there will be offers from champions league clubs but I fucking love the ambition of going for someone like him.

As I yesterday, add Thuram and Kamada as well and I reckon it'd be a dream window. We'd have one of the best set of attacking players in the league if they all settled.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on May 10, 2023, 08:03:25 PM
			

			

				When Connor Gallagher rocks up were going to be gutted
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 10, 2023, 08:07:19 PM
			

			

				Mendes is Asensio’s agent, so you never know.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 10, 2023, 08:08:57 PM
			

			

				Busquets will go to Saudi for insane money for a year.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 10, 2023, 08:10:25 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Beard82 on May 10, 2023, 08:03:25 PM
When Connor Gallagher rocks up were going to be gutted

:D There speaks the voice of experience.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on May 10, 2023, 11:41:14 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on May 10, 2023, 05:51:03 PM
Asensio and Torres right and left, wouldn’t be too shabby would it?

Don't see us playing with a left sided attacking player for the foreseeable, as I think Moreno being given the space to attack down that flank is an important part of our game plan.  

I think we will certainly be in the market for a right sided attacking player though.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SoccerHQ on May 11, 2023, 12:23:31 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on May 09, 2023, 10:04:31 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on May 09, 2023, 07:18:24 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 09, 2023, 06:38:39 PM
Quote from: Drummond on May 09, 2023, 05:03:41 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 09, 2023, 04:38:47 PM
Age doesn’t really come into it if he’s not performing though. We need consistency so need to buy somebody who can deliver that. Ramsey can then make sure he plays well when called upon.

Consistency usually comes with age and experience, and Ramsey is getting there but has a way to go.

Agreed. I love him as a player but we need an alternative in his position for when it's not going so well for him, like currently.

Like most of this season. I've always thought Gerrard brought him back too soon and allowed him to play his way to fitness. He's still not pulling up trees though I do think the experience will lead to him having a great season in 23/24. The talent is there.

even when he isn't playing well his ability to drive forward with the ball creates a chaos. Where he needs to improve is in the quick simple passes to keep the ball moving and he really should be getting more shots away. When he does shoot he's a good finisher and generates some serious power so we need to work with him on that late break into the box and 1-touch shot.

Still there's every chance he'll end the season in double figures for goals and assists (he has 9 from 32 so far) and I'll take that given it is his second season and that is often a step backwards for young players.

Completely agree Paul. At his best Ramsey is a superb ball carrier but against Man. United he held onto it far too long at times and Casemiro comfortably disrupted him 2-3 times in the first half alone.

Then in second half on Saturday the same thing happened again when we had a decent break and he should've played a quick give and go and instead tries to dribble round Lemina but just loses it too easily.

Ramsey's had that traditional difficult second season for majority of young players when teams wise up and actually come up with a gameplan to nullify his game.

That said even though he hasn't been that influential generally in the games 4 goals still hints that in a better season he can be pushing onto double figures when more confident as he did in 21/22.

He's still 21 and has nearly 100 prem appearances so tremendous raw materials in place and he'll get a boost if his brother is involved in our squads next season aswell.

Can see his development following Luiz who's had similar trajectory here.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SoccerHQ on May 11, 2023, 12:27:40 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Beard82 on May 10, 2023, 08:03:25 PM
When Connor Gallagher rocks up were going to be gutted

Technically not amazing but he did get 10 goals in Palace side that played quick transitions. That's the output we want from Bailey or Buendia.

Will be overpriced compared to european options as usual so we won't be signing him.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on May 11, 2023, 12:46:17 AM
			

			

				Yeah, just throw in Andros Townsend and Demarai Gray for the craic... 

FFS, we'll soon have someone in charge who Barca cant afford to keep. We're buying the best that Iberia has to offer this summer. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on May 11, 2023, 07:12:54 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 10, 2023, 11:41:14 PM
Quote from: Steve67 on May 10, 2023, 05:51:03 PM
Asensio and Torres right and left, wouldn’t be too shabby would it?

Don't see us playing with a left sided attacking player for the foreseeable, as I think Moreno being given the space to attack down that flank is an important part of our game plan.  

I think we will certainly be in the market for a right sided attacking player though.
Longer term I could see us trying to mirror our asymmetrical system though, so we'd have a more attacking fullback on the right and a defensive one and a winger in the left. Then you'd target the opposition's weaker side, and it wouldn't matter if they tried to counter it cos with 3 subs (both fullbacks and the winger) you could completely switch it over to target the other side anyway.

Maybe. I don't really know what I'm talking about here.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on May 11, 2023, 07:41:54 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: SoccerHQ on May 11, 2023, 12:27:40 AM
Quote from: Beard82 on May 10, 2023, 08:03:25 PM
When Connor Gallagher rocks up were going to be gutted

Technically not amazing but he did get 10 goals in Palace side that played quick transitions. That's the output we want from Bailey or Buendia.

Will be overpriced compared to european options as usual so we won't be signing him.

Every time seen him play this season he just charges round barging into people…don’t know if he actually played some football at Palace or was the same but just a highlights player who you only saw scoring on MotD….Palace are the type of team I only ever have any interest in watching twice a season.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on May 11, 2023, 07:44:41 AM
			

			

				Gallagher looks a decent player to me but not superior or different to what we already have, plus you’d be paying a big premium with him being English. Not for me
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 11, 2023, 09:45:51 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Gareth on May 11, 2023, 07:41:54 AM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on May 11, 2023, 12:27:40 AM
Quote from: Beard82 on May 10, 2023, 08:03:25 PM
When Connor Gallagher rocks up were going to be gutted

Technically not amazing but he did get 10 goals in Palace side that played quick transitions. That's the output we want from Bailey or Buendia.

Will be overpriced compared to european options as usual so we won't be signing him.

Every time seen him play this season he just charges round barging into people…don’t know if he actually played some football at Palace or was the same but just a highlights player who you only saw scoring on MotD….Palace are the type of team I only ever have any interest in watching twice a season.

He's just a rich man's Jimmy Bullard.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 11, 2023, 09:49:38 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on May 11, 2023, 09:45:51 AM
Quote from: Gareth on May 11, 2023, 07:41:54 AM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on May 11, 2023, 12:27:40 AM
Quote from: Beard82 on May 10, 2023, 08:03:25 PM
When Connor Gallagher rocks up were going to be gutted

Technically not amazing but he did get 10 goals in Palace side that played quick transitions. That's the output we want from Bailey or Buendia.

Will be overpriced compared to european options as usual so we won't be signing him.

Every time seen him play this season he just charges round barging into people…don’t know if he actually played some football at Palace or was the same but just a highlights player who you only saw scoring on MotD….Palace are the type of team I only ever have any interest in watching twice a season.

He's just a rich man's Jimmy Bullard.

That's a very good description.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on May 11, 2023, 09:51:56 AM
			

			

				When I watched him first at the Albion, where he was the only decent player they had, and then at Palace, he looked a really good player. Every time I've seen him for Chelsea and England he looks like a competition winner.

Last summer I'd have been well happy had we signed him and this year I'd be gutted. He'd probably turn a world beater under Emery though.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on May 11, 2023, 09:53:01 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on May 11, 2023, 09:51:56 AM
When I watched him first at the Albion, where he was the only decent player they had, and then at Palace, he looked a really good player. Every time I've seen him for Chelsea and England he looks like a competition winner.

Last summer I'd have been well happy had we signed him and this year I'd be gutted. He'd probably turn a world beater under Emery though.

Chelsea have managed to ruin just about every player they have though, so don't think you can put too much weight on that.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 11, 2023, 09:59:12 AM
			

			

				I wonder how it impacts players, especially the younger ones, at Chelsea, their insane squad situation - dressing room not big enough, people sat outside, mental numbers of midfielders, new manager every other week, club managed by a proper nutter.

I wonder what Chukwuemeka thinks*


* for about three seconds, then I remember, he can go fuck himself.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on May 11, 2023, 10:00:04 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on May 11, 2023, 09:53:01 AM
Quote from: LeeB on May 11, 2023, 09:51:56 AM
When I watched him first at the Albion, where he was the only decent player they had, and then at Palace, he looked a really good player. Every time I've seen him for Chelsea and England he looks like a competition winner.

Last summer I'd have been well happy had we signed him and this year I'd be gutted. He'd probably turn a world beater under Emery though.

Chelsea have managed to ruin just about every player they have though, so don't think you can put too much weight on that.

Yeah, there's definitely some value to be had from them this summer, though you need to tread carefully as some players may be broken beyond redemption. Some of those lads have had to endure two spells of Lampard's management and in Mount's case, three.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on May 11, 2023, 10:04:48 AM
			

			

				Most of the links at the moment seem to be coming from Football Insider or similar fake football journalists.

I'd say the only very likely one we've seen would be Guendouzi.  For most of the others it's Jao Felix territory.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on May 11, 2023, 10:07:41 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on May 11, 2023, 10:04:48 AM
Most of the links at the moment seem to be coming from Football Insider or similar fake football journalists.

I'd say the only very likely one we've seen would be Guendouzi.  For most of the others it's Jao Felix territory.


The link to Asensio is in that long piece from the Athletic in thread about Alemany
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on May 11, 2023, 10:08:42 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on May 11, 2023, 10:00:04 AM

Yeah, there's definitely some value to be had from them this summer, though you need to tread carefully as some players may be broken beyond redemption. Some of those lads have had to endure two spells of Lampard's management and in Mount's case, three.

The other thing is, by buying the likes of Gallagher or Mount, you'd be massively helping them out FFP wise. They've maxed out the credit card with all their insane purchases, so their only way out is by selling players, and homegrown ones would be all profit.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on May 11, 2023, 10:12:14 AM
			

			

				Good point. Kind of the reverse of Citeh killing us by signing our best players, we kill Chelsea by not signing any of their players.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Kevin Dawson on May 11, 2023, 10:18:51 AM
			

			

				Asensio would be an incredible statement signing.......
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smithy on May 11, 2023, 10:35:01 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on May 11, 2023, 10:08:42 AM
Quote from: LeeB on May 11, 2023, 10:00:04 AM

Yeah, there's definitely some value to be had from them this summer, though you need to tread carefully as some players may be broken beyond redemption. Some of those lads have had to endure two spells of Lampard's management and in Mount's case, three.

The other thing is, by buying the likes of Gallagher or Mount, you'd be massively helping them out FFP wise. They've maxed out the credit card with all their insane purchases, so their only way out is by selling players, and homegrown ones would be all profit.

But the flip side of that is that £30m received for a homegrown player is worth WAY more to them, than £30m on a player they bought for £20m. I'm not sure there will be any bargains to be had, but if their FFP issues are real, and they absolutely HAVE to ditch a few, then I'd imagine you could get quite aggressive on the purchase of a homegrown player as it's all upside for them.  It's not like them turning down £40m for Sterling because it makes no dent in their FFP position. Selling one Gallagher probably means as much in FFP terms and selling 2 or 3 of their recently purchased players.

I've no problem buying from Chelsea and helping them with FFP if the players are good, and the price is reasonable.  It's not like there won't be other takers if we turn our noses up at "helping" them.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: darren woolley on May 11, 2023, 10:52:45 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Kevin Dawson on May 11, 2023, 10:18:51 AM
Asensio would be an incredible statement signing.......

Agreed 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on May 11, 2023, 11:43:51 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on May 11, 2023, 10:08:42 AM
Quote from: LeeB on May 11, 2023, 10:00:04 AM

Yeah, there's definitely some value to be had from them this summer, though you need to tread carefully as some players may be broken beyond redemption. Some of those lads have had to endure two spells of Lampard's management and in Mount's case, three.

The other thing is, by buying the likes of Gallagher or Mount, you'd be massively helping them out FFP wise. They've maxed out the credit card with all their insane purchases, so their only way out is by selling players, and homegrown ones would be all profit.
The only consideration should be , is it the right player for us?
If its not in terms of prices, wages, ability and need we should move on.
I don't think we will be buying Chelsea players anyway.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on May 11, 2023, 12:02:44 PM
			

			

				My biggest problem with signing players from Chelsea right now is what their attitude will be. Things have been so fucked there that I suspect a few players will need a few months to sort their heads out wherever they go, I'd be very cautious signing anyone from them this summer. I suspect there will be some very interesting auto-biographies in a few years as a result of this season.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Mister E on May 11, 2023, 03:00:45 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on May 11, 2023, 10:00:04 AM
Yeah, there's definitely some value to be had from them this summer, though you need to tread carefully as some players may be broken beyond redemption. Some of those lads have had to endure two spells of Lampard's management and in Mount's case, three.
That's the thing: there won't be 'value' to be had because they'll be seeking top dollar, regardless of player-performance and potential.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SamTheMouse on May 11, 2023, 03:20:39 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on May 11, 2023, 12:02:44 PM
My biggest problem with signing players from Chelsea right now is what their attitude will be. Things have been so fucked there that I suspect a few players will need a few months to sort their heads out wherever they go, I'd be very cautious signing anyone from them this summer. I suspect there will be some very interesting auto-biographies in a few years as a result of this season.

That would be my biggest concern too. That place is a proper mess.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 11, 2023, 03:45:20 PM
			

			

				We’ve got a brilliant Spanish coach who knows La Liga inside out, a Spanish scout with the same knowledge, a transfer ‘fixer’ that we’ve clicked our fingers at and stolen from Barcelona, a club in Portugal, an academy that seems to be working well, and we can afford 99% of footballers in the world outside the PL.

Fuck solving Chelsea’s problems.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on May 11, 2023, 04:02:07 PM
			

			

				Saw Manuel Ugarte being linked with us today, and while I think he'll end up at Liverpool or Arsenal, that's a 100% yes from me if we can pull it off. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Hookeysmith on May 11, 2023, 04:15:02 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Monty on May 10, 2023, 06:50:29 PM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on May 10, 2023, 06:45:38 PM
Quote from: Steve67 on May 10, 2023, 05:51:03 PM
Asensio and Torres right and left, wouldn’t be too shabby would it? 

Depends on who's in the centre.

I'd be interesting in this exciting young French striker Olivier Ouattequinnes.

Nope - dont get it?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on May 11, 2023, 04:19:16 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: villadelph on May 11, 2023, 04:02:07 PM
Saw Manuel Ugarte being linked with us today, and while I think he'll end up at Liverpool or Arsenal, that's a 100% yes from me if we can pull it off. 

A Mendes client I understand.  Hopefully, we have greased his palms. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 11, 2023, 04:28:57 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on May 11, 2023, 03:45:20 PM
We’ve got a brilliant Spanish coach who knows La Liga inside out, a Spanish scout with the same knowledge, a transfer ‘fixer’ that we’ve clicked our fingers at and stolen from Barcelona, a club in Portugal, an academy that seems to be working well, and we can afford 99% of footballers in the world outside the PL.

Fuck solving Chelsea’s problems.

Haha! Wonderful!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on May 11, 2023, 04:29:24 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on May 11, 2023, 03:45:20 PM
We’ve got a brilliant Spanish coach who knows La Liga inside out, a Spanish scout with the same knowledge, a transfer ‘fixer’ that we’ve clicked our fingers at and stolen from Barcelona, a club in Portugal, an academy that seems to be working well, and we can afford 99% of footballers in the world outside the PL.

Fuck solving Chelsea’s problems.

Sounds like you fancy us as some sort of footballing mafia, relocating from Sicilia to Iberia. Must be those podcasts you're mainlining to the brain. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on May 11, 2023, 04:29:51 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: villadelph on May 11, 2023, 04:02:07 PM
Saw Manuel Ugarte being linked with us today, and while I think he'll end up at Liverpool or Arsenal, that's a 100% yes from me if we can pull it off. 

That's one that's come back around. We've been linked with Gonçalves before too. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 11, 2023, 05:10:43 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on May 11, 2023, 04:29:24 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on May 11, 2023, 03:45:20 PM
We’ve got a brilliant Spanish coach who knows La Liga inside out, a Spanish scout with the same knowledge, a transfer ‘fixer’ that we’ve clicked our fingers at and stolen from Barcelona, a club in Portugal, an academy that seems to be working well, and we can afford 99% of footballers in the world outside the PL.

Fuck solving Chelsea’s problems.

Sounds like you fancy us as some sort of footballing mafia, relocating from Sicilia to Iberia. Must be those podcasts you're mainlining to the brain.

Ndrangheta Villa.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on May 11, 2023, 05:42:35 PM
			

			

				This from a guy with 650k followers including Emi 2hi isn't tagged in the post.... 


(https://i.ibb.co/m4Vh7Fx/Screenshot-20230511-174010-Twitter.jpg) (https://ibb.co/m4Vh7Fx)

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on May 11, 2023, 05:43:18 PM
			

			

				Agent looking for another new deal I reckon. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on May 11, 2023, 05:50:14 PM
			

			

				I wouldn't be entirely amazed to see Emi go, not through anything he's said or done, just that we seem to use this Moneyball thing and his value and profile will never be higher than it is now. Hope he doesn't though.

I wonder if Dani Ceballos might be one we are looking at, seemed to do well for a short spell in England, will be familiar to the management team and his contract is up next month. 


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on May 11, 2023, 05:59:22 PM
			

			

				I'd be absolutely amazed if Emi left when we seem to be on the brink of something pretty special at this club.

All great teams have a great keeper.  If he wanted a new contract I'd probably give him one, although with 4 years left on it it hardly seems necessary.

Some of the saves he made during our good run have been superb, and probably not spoken about enough.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 11, 2023, 06:04:11 PM
			

			

				If he wants a new contract, give the man a new contract!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dave shelley on May 11, 2023, 06:25:57 PM
			

			

				What pisses me off about this kind of thing is that every time things look on the up for us someone somehow wants to sell off our best players, with quite a great deal of success it must be said.  

In the sixty-odd years I've been following the Villa I believe we have had only two players who could rightly be called world class, Paul McGrath and Emi Martinez.  With our current owners why would we even consider selling Martinez?  They have form for telling interested parties to do one.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on May 11, 2023, 06:45:29 PM
			

			

				The things Martinez has been saying over the past few months hardly sound like someone who wants to leave. And the owners were really pissed off when Grealish agitated for a move away. With Martinez developing his distribution and his sweeper/keeper act, he's perfect for the way Emery wants to play. 

If you're about to spend £200m and you're being linked with top talent and building a strong management structure, selling one of your best players hardly seems congruent with that. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on May 11, 2023, 06:50:12 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on May 11, 2023, 06:45:29 PM
If you're about to spend £200m and you're being linked with top talent and building a strong management structure, selling one of your best players hardly seems congruent with that. 

Particularly to the likes of Tottenham and Chelsea.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Hookeysmith on May 11, 2023, 07:44:38 PM
			

			

				Just like with Greedy, if they genuinely want to go then they can fuck right off as they would be instantly dead to me.

All the recent platitudes he has come out with will be as soon forgotten as " My City, my club"

I genuinely think he appreciates how we got him to this point. If we do not get into Europe this year and start poorly next then fair enough we should let him go. But until that time we hold be building our team around players of his quality.

And Spurs....you have to be Joking
Replacing the £375k per week keeper at Red filth...who else would pay that wage?

Unless a Spanish or Italian mega team comes in Emi is going nowhere 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on May 11, 2023, 07:59:05 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Hookeysmith on May 11, 2023, 07:44:38 PM
Unless a Spanish or Italian mega team comes in Emi is going nowhere 

None of those five (assuming Milan, Inter, Juventus, Madrid, Barcelona) would want him. They all have keepers that they are completely happy with.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on May 11, 2023, 08:03:51 PM
			

			

				To be honest - Greasy broke me.  I promised myself that I would never get emotionally attached to players to that extent again.  

Hes another that could end up with "club legend" status if he stayed for the rest of his career, and I'd love him to stay - and hope he does - but if he goes I have every confidence that it won't derail things in the same way it did when Grealish left.

I appears to me the Nas and Wes learn from there mistakes pretty quickly and don't repeat them.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on May 11, 2023, 08:12:26 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: dave shelley on May 11, 2023, 06:25:57 PM
What pisses me off about this kind of thing is that every time things look on the up for us someone somehow wants to sell off our best players, with quite a great deal of success it must be said.  

In the sixty-odd years I've been following the Villa I believe we have had only two players who could rightly be called world class, Paul McGrath and Emi Martinez.  With our current owners why would we even consider selling Martinez?  They have form for telling interested parties to do one.

Can't tell anyone to do one if there is a release clause in the last contract he signed.

I now expect the worst after what Grealish did. I think he will probably be here next season but who knows. Wouldn't be surprised if he left. I wouldn't hold a grudge against him though. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dave shelley on May 11, 2023, 08:18:12 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on May 11, 2023, 08:12:26 PM
Quote from: dave shelley on May 11, 2023, 06:25:57 PM
What pisses me off about this kind of thing is that every time things look on the up for us someone somehow wants to sell off our best players, with quite a great deal of success it must be said.  

In the sixty-odd years I've been following the Villa I believe we have had only two players who could rightly be called world class, Paul McGrath and Emi Martinez.  With our current owners why would we even consider selling Martinez?  They have form for telling interested parties to do one.

Can't tell anyone to do one if there is a release clause in the last contract he signed.

I now expect the worst after what Grealish did. I think he will probably be here next season but who knows. Wouldn't be surprised if he left. I wouldn't hold a grudge against him though. 

In that screenshot it says he does not have an exit clause which suggests to me that if Villa want to keep him then they do until it suits them to sell.  Am I reading it wrong?
			

			

				Title: Marco Asensio is perfect for Aston Villa 

				Post by: footywithuti on May 11, 2023, 08:26:27 PM
			

			

				Evening everyone, here's a short 3 minute video detailing everything you need to know about Marco Asensio and why I believe he's ideal for Aston Villa under Emery. The man's made no secret of the fact that he's looking for regular first team football and I'm fairly confident this one will go through. As always, I'd love to hear your thoughts and am happy to answer any questions you may have, cheers!

https://youtu.be/m-kL1tCagf4

PS: I couldn't find a thread on the player, hope it's okay with the mods that I've created this one, if not then my apologies in advance
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on May 11, 2023, 08:26:50 PM
			

			

				Oh, if he doesn't have a clause then I trust the club will stand firm.

But I recall Smith saying there wasn't a clause in Jack's contract either 
			

			

				Title: Re: Marco Asensio is perfect for Aston Villa 

				Post by: Smirker on May 11, 2023, 08:27:21 PM
			

			

				Why are you confident it will go through? 
			

			

				Title: Re: Marco Asensio is perfect for Aston Villa 

				Post by: N'ZMAV on May 11, 2023, 08:33:09 PM
			

			

				I'm not saying he isn't a top player - crap players don't last that long at Madrid - but you can make El Ghazi look like a world beater in a 3 min youtube video.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on May 11, 2023, 08:36:21 PM
			

			

				I thought he said he "didnt know of a clause" or "wasn't aware of one" or something like that 

I would be shocked if he didn't have one, same with Luiz and possibly Cash (not that I think that will trouble anyone soon).  


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: frank black on May 11, 2023, 08:49:38 PM
			

			

				I wouldn’t expect Cash to have one, nor Emi. But I’d be very confident Doug has one, we convinced him to sign when he could have left in the summer for nothing. It seems to happen when we renew contract’s that have less time left and agents have us over a barrel….
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on May 11, 2023, 08:58:02 PM
			

			

				If Emery wants to reshape the squad and we lose a few, so be it.  I trust him. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Chris_Jephcott on May 11, 2023, 09:11:43 PM
			

			

				I do feel that in this case, losing Martinez would be a set back though. He clearly loves the club, and it’s probably agent speak - but as a Villa fan, the harsh reality of 2 steps forward, 3 backwards always seems to bite just as we threaten to push on.

Oh well
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on May 11, 2023, 09:14:50 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Chris_Jephcott on May 11, 2023, 09:11:43 PM
I do feel that in this case, losing Martinez would be a set back though. He clearly loves the club, and it’s probably agent speak - but as a Villa fan, the harsh reality of 2 steps forward, 3 backwards always seems to bite just as we threaten to push on.

Oh well

I was thinking more about Luiz Chris.    I think the keeper position is different to the outfield players as we need a really good base to build from and Emi is as good as they come.  It would take something pretty special to sell him, unless we were offered a couple of players who we could really do with.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on May 11, 2023, 09:26:49 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on May 11, 2023, 03:45:20 PM
We’ve got a brilliant Spanish coach who knows La Liga inside out, a Spanish scout with the same knowledge, a transfer ‘fixer’ that we’ve clicked our fingers at and stolen from Barcelona, a club in Portugal, an academy that seems to be working well, and we can afford 99% of footballers in the world outside the PL.

Fuck solving Chelsea’s problems.
Amen brother.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on May 11, 2023, 11:14:05 PM
			

			

				I have a feeling that if we were offered upwards of £120m we would take it.

If we do I won't be as bothered as I was with Jack leaving (was genuinely upset about losing Jack in the way we did). For all his talent he is far more replaceable. Also I find his time-wasting and bad sportsmanship really irritating.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on May 11, 2023, 11:21:35 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on May 11, 2023, 11:14:05 PM
I have a feeling that if we were offered upwards of £120m we would take it.

Well yeah, obviously if someone offered to make a 30 year old goalkeeper the third most expensive footballer in history then we'd probably agree to it.

But nobody is going to do that, are they?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on May 11, 2023, 11:33:19 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on May 11, 2023, 03:45:20 PM
We’ve got a brilliant Spanish coach who knows La Liga inside out, a Spanish scout with the same knowledge, a transfer ‘fixer’ that we’ve clicked our fingers at and stolen from Barcelona, a club in Portugal, an academy that seems to be working well, and we can afford 99% of footballers in the world outside the PL.

Fuck solving Chelsea’s problems.
Quality.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 12, 2023, 12:34:16 AM
			

			

				I thought Jack was going to leave a long time before he did as I was convinced he had a release clause. I don't feel that trepidation at all with Martinez, that's not to say he hasn't got a release clause, I pretty much just assume a lot do now and work from there but I don't see anyone buying and him wanting to move to them. Chelsea and Tottenham won't be offering CL football next season and it's far from guaranteed next time around. The only club that could tempt him would be Man Utd. I could see a situation where he has a clause in his contract saying (and as keepers don't tend to go for as much) if a club in the CL offers over £50mil then he can go but I just don't think they will be spending that on a keeper. They're tying De Gea down so reckon they'll go for someone younger to challenge him.

I'm just not worried like I was with Jack, nothing is screaming to me 'he's off!'. I don't watch enough European football to worry about their threats, mind. I'd be amazed if we didn't at least get one more season out of him.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 12, 2023, 06:38:23 AM
			

			

				Like Jack, the number would be at the top end of what anyone is likely to pay so we shouldn’t worry too much.  Doug’s, on the other hand, would be low as he was nearing the end of his contract so held the cars with regards to negotiations.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on May 12, 2023, 07:45:51 AM
			

			

				Whilst I think (hope) the Martinez rumours aren’t true, I did notice that the adverts and artwork for our season ticket renewals didn’t feature him. Mings, McGinn and Ramsey were all there, but our World Cup winning superstar wasn’t. A bit odd, perhaps? Or reading too much into it? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on May 12, 2023, 07:54:19 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on May 11, 2023, 11:21:35 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on May 11, 2023, 11:14:05 PM
I have a feeling that if we were offered upwards of £120m we would take it.

Well yeah, obviously if someone offered to make a 30 year old goalkeeper the third most expensive footballer in history then we'd probably agree to it.

But nobody is going to do that, are they?

Currently rated the worlds best and just won a world cup. If he goes it will be to one of the Superleague wanker clubs and for big money. I don't know what the record for a GK is, but it would need to be smashed for us to sell him and any clause will be set high.

It was Unai's recent 'everyone is replaceable' comment that makes me think we might take the profit. After the wasted opportunity with the Grealish money I ought to be more worried about it, but I am confident Emery would cope just fine and use the resource well.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: London Villan on May 12, 2023, 09:06:59 AM
			

			

				This is the problem with the "let's wait another year until we are ready". We have arguably the best keeper in the world playing for us at the moment and while he may well love being here, the lure of the Champions League and all that comes with it is understandably attractive. 

Getting into any European competition might satisfy him for next season, but I can see why, despite his affection for us, he might want to play at the top level. That said, where? There are a handful of clubs that could afford him, need a keeper and will be in the CL next season.

Real Madrid
Man Utd
Liverpool
Bayern

Who else would be on that list?


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on May 12, 2023, 09:12:22 AM
			

			

				Man U could afford him, and I think he'd go there if they put in a bid. They need to make sure they qualify for the Champions League first though, as it's not impossible that they could be in the same European competition as us.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: London Villan on May 12, 2023, 09:15:30 AM
			

			

				He would cost £60m+ too.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: JD on May 12, 2023, 09:34:34 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on May 11, 2023, 03:45:20 PM
We’ve got a brilliant Spanish coach who knows La Liga inside out, a Spanish scout with the same knowledge, a transfer ‘fixer’ that we’ve clicked our fingers at and stolen from Barcelona, a club in Portugal, an academy that seems to be working well, and we can afford 99% of footballers in the world outside the PL.

Fuck solving Chelsea’s problems.

Fantastic post mate. Exciting times ahead. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on May 12, 2023, 09:42:18 AM
			

			

				Whilst I said I wouldn’t be surprised if he moved, on the other side of things, he has made no noises about doing so, we don’t need to sell him financially, there are few clubs that could offer him what we are and finally, I note that his independent transfer value is a surprisingly low £30m, I think we’d want to see considerably more than double that to consider it given he’s got 4 years left. Who would go so high that needs him?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on May 12, 2023, 09:43:16 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: PeterWithe on May 12, 2023, 09:42:18 AM
Whilst I said I wouldn’t be surprised if he moved, on the other side of things, he has made no noises about doing so, we don’t need to sell him financially, there are few clubs that could offer him what we are and finally, I note that his independent transfer value is a surprisingly low £30m, I think we’d want to see considerably more than double that to consider it given he’s got 4 years left. Who would go so high that needs him?

Man U.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on May 12, 2023, 09:45:29 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: PeterWithe on May 12, 2023, 09:42:18 AM
Whilst I said I wouldn’t be surprised if he moved, on the other side of things, he has made no noises about doing so, we don’t need to sell him financially, there are few clubs that could offer him what we are and finally, I note that his independent transfer value is a surprisingly low £30m, I think we’d want to see considerably more than double that to consider it given he’s got 4 years left. Who would go so high that needs him?

He did give that ill-advised interview a while ago about wanting to play for a team like PSG. He's rowed back on that since, but whatever, I don't think it means much either way.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on May 12, 2023, 09:55:58 AM
			

			

				Yes Id say Man Utd would be the likeliest but if De Gea resigns up, Id cross them off as well. If he doesnt then, for the kind of money we’d want, even they might be looking for someone a little younger maybe? I suppose if the Arabs take over, all bets will be off as they will be looking to make a big splash transfer wise. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on May 12, 2023, 09:59:26 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: PeterWithe on May 12, 2023, 09:42:18 AM
...I note that his independent transfer value is a surprisingly low £30m

According to whom?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: frank black on May 12, 2023, 10:07:46 AM
			

			

				If I were Man U , I’d get degea signed up. It would be far cheaper than 60 million plus on a 30 year old replacement. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Stinkin_Thinkin on May 12, 2023, 10:20:16 AM
			

			

				he's publicly said he wants to play champions league football a couple of months ago, if we haven't been on our toes since Dec sounding out a new ball playing number one it would be staggering. 
Unfortunately I can see it being ManU due to De Gea's demise and contract situation and they have a couple of fellow countrymen in their squad most likely tapping him up. I would prefer he takes his antics abroad. However a world record fee for a GK should soften the blow. Imagine if Purslow tries the old "we identified his key attributes and decided to replace him with 3 keepers"  :D

As for replacements Pickford could be gettable, one of the best with his feet, bit of a character were some links before the world cup.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on May 12, 2023, 10:24:04 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Stinkin_Thinkin on May 12, 2023, 10:20:16 AM
As for replacements Pickford could be gettable, one of the best with his feet, bit of a character were some links before the world cup.

Bit like replacing what Grealish brought to the team with what Bailey brings to the team. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 12, 2023, 10:26:50 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on May 12, 2023, 10:24:04 AM
Quote from: Stinkin_Thinkin on May 12, 2023, 10:20:16 AM
As for replacements Pickford could be gettable, one of the best with his feet, bit of a character were some links before the world cup.

Bit like replacing what Grealish brought to the team with what Bailey brings to the team. 

Agreed, a big No to Pickford from me but hopefully not something we'll have to worry about.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on May 12, 2023, 10:30:53 AM
			

			

				I like the Brentford keeper if we had to 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Hookeysmith on May 12, 2023, 10:59:20 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: footywithuti on May 11, 2023, 08:26:27 PM
Evening everyone, here's a short 3 minute video detailing everything you need to know about Marco Asensio and why I believe he's ideal for Aston Villa under Emery. The man's made no secret of the fact that he's looking for regular first team football and I'm fairly confident this one will go through. As always, I'd love to hear your thoughts and am happy to answer any questions you may have, cheers!

https://youtu.be/m-kL1tCagf4

PS: I couldn't find a thread on the player, hope it's okay with the mods that I've created this one, if not then my apologies in advance

"He scored many a thundercunt"...Is that a technical coaching term :)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Pat Mustard on May 12, 2023, 11:07:00 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on May 12, 2023, 10:26:50 AM
Quote from: Dave on May 12, 2023, 10:24:04 AM
Quote from: Stinkin_Thinkin on May 12, 2023, 10:20:16 AM
As for replacements Pickford could be gettable, one of the best with his feet, bit of a character were some links before the world cup.

Bit like replacing what Grealish brought to the team with what Bailey brings to the team. 

Agreed, a big No to Pickford from me but hopefully not something we'll have to worry about.

To be fair to Pickford (not that I necessarily want to) he was absolutely unbelievable on Monday against Brighton.  He is clearly a good keeper who is prone to mind-farts on occasion - proper coaching might get that out of him.  

We don't need to worry anyway, Emi is going nowhere.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on May 12, 2023, 11:22:13 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on May 12, 2023, 10:30:53 AM
I like the Brentford keeper if we had to 

He's a ray-a-sunshine in the dressing room too, by all accounts. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: placeforparks on May 12, 2023, 11:23:06 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Pat Mustard on May 12, 2023, 11:07:00 AM
To be fair to Pickford (not that I necessarily want to) he was absolutely unbelievable on Monday against Brighton.  He is clearly a good keeper who is prone to mind-farts on occasion - proper coaching might get that out of him.  

could have said the same about aaron ramsdale when he was at sheff united, but i think he has been brilliant for arsenal since he went there.

personally. if someone offers silly money for martinez, i would take it. i trust emery to utilise the money wisely.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on May 12, 2023, 11:24:45 AM
			

			

				Pickford has recently signed a phat new contract. Even if we did want him, he'd cost a tonne. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on May 12, 2023, 11:32:57 AM
			

			

				FWIW, I don't think we'll sell him. A new deal may well happen mind, putting him on seriously big money. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on May 12, 2023, 11:40:48 AM
			

			

				He does several interviews where he says he wants to break Bozzie's clean sheet record, that he saw what Grealish did as taking the easy route and not what he's about, says he wants to play Champions League football with us etc. Then one twat in Argentina who probably has no idea about our club and thinks Martinez is too good for us, writes a story about him wanting to leave and the gutter press (which of course, the Mail jumps onto instead of doing some proper journalism) jump all over it and leads to several pages on here about it. 

I much prefer reading things like this - 

"The Athletic add that Alemany is already eyeing up a deal that could see multi-Champions League winner Marco Asensio arrive at Aston Villa from Real Madrid. 

Barcelona benchwarmer Ferran Torres has been linked too. Villa, under former Villarreal, Sevilla and Valencia coach Unai Emery, are also reportedly looking at Samu Chukwueze, Pau Torres and Nico Williams. Las Palmas’ so-called ‘new Pedri’ Alberto Moleiro too."

Moleiro is a new one on me. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 12, 2023, 12:12:43 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: villadelph on May 11, 2023, 04:02:07 PM
Saw Manuel Ugarte being linked with us today, and while I think he'll end up at Liverpool or Arsenal, that's a 100% yes from me if we can pull it off. 

The link on the BBC Gossip* last night was a bit stronger saying we are in talks to sign him. We need RCF's expert evaluation of him.

*I know.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Mister E on May 12, 2023, 12:22:12 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PeterWithe on May 12, 2023, 09:55:58 AM
Yes Id say Man Utd would be the likeliest but if De Gea resigns up, Id cross them off as well. If he doesnt then, for the kind of money we’d want, even they might be looking for someone a little younger maybe? I suppose if the Arabs take over, all bets will be off as they will be looking to make a big splash transfer wise. 
If the red Mancs made an amazing offer, would we perhaps look to have Henderson as a replacement?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on May 12, 2023, 01:03:38 PM
			

			

				No part-exchanges please. He can't even get a game at Forest ahead of old-timer Keylor Navas.

I do respect Keylor's experience and medal-collection but Hendo just doesn't cut it.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on May 12, 2023, 01:10:45 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on May 12, 2023, 01:03:38 PM
No part-exchanges please. He can't even get a game at Forest ahead of old-timer Keylor Navas.

If he hadn't got a season-ending injury they wouldn't have brought Navas in.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on May 12, 2023, 01:13:17 PM
			

			

				Yeah, I thought he was injured. Still, the point stands, would be a no from me
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on May 12, 2023, 01:20:21 PM
			

			

				Fair enough. I thought he was back but just benched. Seems they have another journeyman, Hennessey as back-up.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on May 12, 2023, 01:30:32 PM
			

			

				You don't join the 'Big 6' by selling your best players to them.  Particularly in a position where finding elite replacements is so difficult.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Joe S on May 12, 2023, 07:13:41 PM
			

			

				Lots of Ferran Torres rumours tonight on Twitter.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 12, 2023, 07:15:47 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Joe S on May 12, 2023, 07:13:41 PM
Lots of Ferran Torres rumours tonight on Twitter.

Anyone reputable or is it just the riff-raff?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Chap on May 12, 2023, 07:39:00 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on May 12, 2023, 12:12:43 PM
Quote from: villadelph on May 11, 2023, 04:02:07 PM
Saw Manuel Ugarte being linked with us today, and while I think he'll end up at Liverpool or Arsenal, that's a 100% yes from me if we can pull it off. 

The link on the BBC Gossip* last night was a bit stronger saying we are in talks to sign him. We need RCF's expert evaluation of him.

*I know.

From my source in Lisbon - 

He is really good defensively and at high pressing. Also he turns up at big games. He could improve his passing, especially against teams that Park The bus.
But he would be perfect for Villa. Expensive tho (like 40-60 millon euros)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: frank black on May 12, 2023, 07:44:43 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Chap on May 12, 2023, 07:39:00 PM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on May 12, 2023, 12:12:43 PM
Quote from: villadelph on May 11, 2023, 04:02:07 PM
Saw Manuel Ugarte being linked with us today, and while I think he'll end up at Liverpool or Arsenal, that's a 100% yes from me if we can pull it off. 

The link on the BBC Gossip* last night was a bit stronger saying we are in talks to sign him. We need RCF's expert evaluation of him.

*I know.

From my source in Lisbon - 

He is really good defensively and at high pressing. Also he turns up at big games. He could improve his passing, especially against teams that Park The bus.
But he would be perfect for Villa. Expensive tho (like 40-60 millon euros)

Mmmm sounds like a Douglas Luiz type?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 12, 2023, 07:46:53 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Chap on May 12, 2023, 07:39:00 PM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on May 12, 2023, 12:12:43 PM
Quote from: villadelph on May 11, 2023, 04:02:07 PM
Saw Manuel Ugarte being linked with us today, and while I think he'll end up at Liverpool or Arsenal, that's a 100% yes from me if we can pull it off. 

The link on the BBC Gossip* last night was a bit stronger saying we are in talks to sign him. We need RCF's expert evaluation of him.

*I know.

From my source in Lisbon - 

He is really good defensively and at high pressing. Also he turns up at big games. He could improve his passing, especially against teams that Park The bus. But he would be perfect for Villa. Expensive tho (like 40-60 millon euros)

Sounds good, get him in. Like the idea of having a Uruguayan in the squad to boost our South American contingent.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ads on May 12, 2023, 09:03:10 PM
			

			

				The Torres link is being reported in Spanish media by actual journalists rather than just Twitter gobshites.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on May 12, 2023, 09:49:04 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: frank black on May 12, 2023, 10:07:46 AM
If I were Man U , I’d get degea signed up. It would be far cheaper than 60 million plus on a 30 year old replacement.

Think Martinez is miles better than DDG. I'd say that view would be commonly held outside of AVFC supporters too. Don't think Man United will be in the market for elite players this summer, CL football will help but they are miles off where they were even two seasons ago. They blindingly overpaid for likes of Antony and Casemiro last summer and fortunate likes of Chelsea and Tottenham have been so poor. They will also be taking big losses on moving on likes of Sancho, Maguire and Martial. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: darren woolley on May 12, 2023, 10:02:10 PM
			

			

				It would be great if we get Ugarte and Torres.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Matt C on May 13, 2023, 12:26:46 AM
			

			

				If nothing else, the quality of the links has gone up a few notches. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 13, 2023, 12:43:20 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ads on May 12, 2023, 09:03:10 PM
The Torres link is being reported in Spanish media by actual journalists rather than just Twitter gobshites.

From sport.es. https://www.sport.es/es/noticias/barca/barca-aston-villa-negocian-traspaso-87272814
Translation on Twitter. https://twitter.com/espenstrand/status/1657159937267494913
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SoccerHQ on May 13, 2023, 12:55:46 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on May 12, 2023, 07:15:47 PM
Quote from: Joe S on May 12, 2023, 07:13:41 PM
Lots of Ferran Torres rumours tonight on Twitter.

Anyone reputable or is it just the riff-raff?

Alemany worked with him at Valencia and then signed him at Barca. Could be just the usual 2 + 2 but state Barcelona are in they'll be selling a couple to premier league for 30-40m.

He's still only 23 and already had that 18 months at Man. City where he did o.k amongst fierce competition.

His profile is second striker and can play across forward line so pretty logical player to target for that next step I think.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 13, 2023, 02:26:35 AM
			

			

				If we're still looking for young and hungry, Torres could be the man. He was born on 29/02/2000, so he's only had six birthdays.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Richard E on May 13, 2023, 05:30:26 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on May 13, 2023, 02:26:35 AM
If we're still looking for young and hungry, Torres could be the man. He was born on 29/02/2000, so he's only had six birthdays.

But you can’t win anything with kids.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smithy on May 13, 2023, 09:22:29 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: SoccerHQ on May 13, 2023, 12:55:46 AM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on May 12, 2023, 07:15:47 PM
Quote from: Joe S on May 12, 2023, 07:13:41 PM
Lots of Ferran Torres rumours tonight on Twitter.

Anyone reputable or is it just the riff-raff?

Alemany worked with him at Valencia and then signed him at Barca. Could be just the usual 2 + 2 but state Barcelona are in they'll be selling a couple to premier league for 30-40m.

He's still only 23 and already had that 18 months at Man. City where he did o.k amongst fierce competition.

His profile is second striker and can play across forward line so pretty logical player to target for that next step I think.

Torres is a strange one, he's clearly very talented, and certainly did okay at Man City in his 18 months there, but hasn't really set the world alight at Barca? He's still young though, and I imagine Emery knows him very well. So if it comes off, then great!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on May 13, 2023, 09:46:10 AM
			

			

				Torres is a tall order.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 13, 2023, 09:54:55 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Richard E on May 13, 2023, 05:30:26 AM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on May 13, 2023, 02:26:35 AM
If we're still looking for young and hungry, Torres could be the man. He was born on 29/02/2000, so he's only had six birthdays.

But you can’t win anything with kids.

His record is 1 in 4, not good enough for a top class striker.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on May 13, 2023, 10:01:26 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on May 13, 2023, 09:54:55 AM
His record is 1 in 4, not good enough for a top class striker.
A striker that can’t score at Mancity is not really a striker. Never mind a top class one.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on May 13, 2023, 10:03:41 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on May 13, 2023, 09:54:55 AM
Quote from: Richard E on May 13, 2023, 05:30:26 AM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on May 13, 2023, 02:26:35 AM
If we're still looking for young and hungry, Torres could be the man. He was born on 29/02/2000, so he's only had six birthdays.

But you can’t win anything with kids.

His record is 1 in 4, not good enough for a top class striker.

He's not really an out and out striker though, he's more of a wide forward isn't he? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: nigel on May 13, 2023, 10:08:11 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on May 13, 2023, 09:54:55 AM
Quote from: Richard E on May 13, 2023, 05:30:26 AM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on May 13, 2023, 02:26:35 AM
If we're still looking for young and hungry, Torres could be the man. He was born on 29/02/2000, so he's only had six birthdays.

But you can’t win anything with kids.

His record is 1 in 4, not good enough for a top class striker.

Not bad when you’re only 6, though
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 13, 2023, 10:08:47 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clampy on May 13, 2023, 10:03:41 AM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on May 13, 2023, 09:54:55 AM
His record is 1 in 4, not good enough for a top class striker.

He's not really an out and out striker though, he's more of a wide forward isn't he? 

I know, but that wasn't really the point I was making.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on May 13, 2023, 10:09:16 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clampy on May 13, 2023, 10:03:41 AM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on May 13, 2023, 09:54:55 AM
Quote from: Richard E on May 13, 2023, 05:30:26 AM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on May 13, 2023, 02:26:35 AM
If we're still looking for young and hungry, Torres could be the man. He was born on 29/02/2000, so he's only had six birthdays.

But you can’t win anything with kids.

His record is 1 in 4, not good enough for a top class striker.

He's not really an out and out striker though, he's more of a wide forward isn't he? 

Yeah, I’ve seen him described as a winger
I thought he was replacement/competition for Bailey & Traoré 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on May 13, 2023, 10:09:23 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clampy on May 13, 2023, 10:03:41 AM
He's not really an out and out striker though, he's more of a wide forward isn't he? 


Yes he’s mostly wide……. of the target.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 13, 2023, 10:21:53 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clampy on May 13, 2023, 10:03:41 AM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on May 13, 2023, 09:54:55 AM
Quote from: Richard E on May 13, 2023, 05:30:26 AM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on May 13, 2023, 02:26:35 AM
If we're still looking for young and hungry, Torres could be the man. He was born on 29/02/2000, so he's only had six birthdays.

But you can’t win anything with kids.

His record is 1 in 4, not good enough for a top class striker.

He's not really an out and out striker though, he's more of a wide forward isn't he?

Read the posts again!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Chris Smith on May 13, 2023, 11:15:43 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on May 13, 2023, 09:54:55 AM
Quote from: Richard E on May 13, 2023, 05:30:26 AM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on May 13, 2023, 02:26:35 AM
If we're still looking for young and hungry, Torres could be the man. He was born on 29/02/2000, so he's only had six birthdays.

But you can’t win anything with kids.

His record is 1 in 4, not good enough for a top class striker.

It’s not what he’s done in the past but what he can do under Emery’s tutelage that matters.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 13, 2023, 11:25:11 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on May 13, 2023, 09:54:55 AM
Quote from: Richard E on May 13, 2023, 05:30:26 AM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on May 13, 2023, 02:26:35 AM
If we're still looking for young and hungry, Torres could be the man. He was born on 29/02/2000, so he's only had six birthdays.

But you can’t win anything with kids.

His record is 1 in 4, not good enough for a top class striker.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on May 13, 2023, 11:42:57 AM
			

			

				Very good :-)

I looked at his goal scoring record earlier and thought it sounded a bit iffy until I read that he’s more of a winger / wide midfielder. He has got 15 in 35 for Spain though which is rather good, not sure if his role is a little different? I know very little about him but he certainly sounds in the ‘Caliber’ of player that should improve the team. And if that’s who Unai wants then fair enough.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on May 13, 2023, 05:16:28 PM
			

			

				Saints gone.

Lets get Prowsey  8)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on May 13, 2023, 05:18:06 PM
			

			

				We seem to be setting our sights higher. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 13, 2023, 06:58:25 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on May 13, 2023, 05:16:28 PM
Saints gone.

Lets get Prowsey  8)

It's a No from me just for the use of 'Prowsey', plus as OCD points out we appear to be setting our sights a bit higher than that.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 13, 2023, 07:04:19 PM
			

			

				
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@villareport
Mateu Alemany has promised Joan Laporta that he will not sign any players from Barcelona out of respect. 
@sport
 #avfc

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 13, 2023, 07:04:39 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on May 13, 2023, 05:16:28 PM
Saints gone.

Lets get Prowsey  8)

Nah let's not.

Let's get someone better than that.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on May 13, 2023, 07:05:06 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on May 13, 2023, 06:58:25 PM
Quote from: Smirker on May 13, 2023, 05:16:28 PM
Saints gone.

Lets get Prowsey  8)

It's a No from me just for the use of 'Prowsey', plus as OCD points out we appear to be setting our sights a bit higher than that.

You need a goal from a free kick, who do you call on?

Prowse in da house.

Hopefully.

20m should do it. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 13, 2023, 07:14:30 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on May 13, 2023, 07:05:06 PM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on May 13, 2023, 06:58:25 PM
Quote from: Smirker on May 13, 2023, 05:16:28 PM
Saints gone.

Lets get Prowsey  8)

It's a No from me just for the use of 'Prowsey', plus as OCD points out we appear to be setting our sights a bit higher than that.

You need a goal from a free kick, who do you call on?

Douglas Luiz, Lucas Digne or Ashley Young.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 13, 2023, 07:17:11 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on May 13, 2023, 07:04:19 PM
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@villareport
Mateu Alemany has promised Joan Laporta that he will not sign any players from Barcelona out of respect. 
@sport
 #avfc

I doubt that agreement will mean much if they are looking to shift some players to balance the books.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on May 13, 2023, 07:18:35 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on May 13, 2023, 07:04:19 PM
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@villareport
Mateu Alemany has promised Joan Laporta that he will not sign any players from Barcelona out of respect. 
@sport
 #avfc

Given their financial position, I think they'll be quite keen to sell some of their players. Sounds like Ferran Torres is basically on the transfer list. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on May 13, 2023, 07:22:55 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on May 13, 2023, 07:14:30 PM
Quote from: Smirker on May 13, 2023, 07:05:06 PM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on May 13, 2023, 06:58:25 PM
Quote from: Smirker on May 13, 2023, 05:16:28 PM
Saints gone.

Lets get Prowsey  8)

It's a No from me just for the use of 'Prowsey', plus as OCD points out we appear to be setting our sights a bit higher than that.

You need a goal from a free kick, who do you call on?

Douglas Luiz, Lucas Digne or Ashley Young.

I'd rather have The Prowse. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Lastfootstamper on May 13, 2023, 07:26:47 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on May 13, 2023, 07:04:19 PM
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@villareport
Mateu Alemany has promised Joan Laporta that he will not sign any players from Barcelona out of respect. 
@sport
 #avfc
 

You've gotta feel for clubs like Barcelona, not being able to compete with the Aston Villas of this world.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 13, 2023, 07:32:09 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on May 13, 2023, 07:22:55 PM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on May 13, 2023, 07:14:30 PM
Quote from: Smirker on May 13, 2023, 07:05:06 PM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on May 13, 2023, 06:58:25 PM
Quote from: Smirker on May 13, 2023, 05:16:28 PM
Saints gone.

Lets get Prowsey  8)

It's a No from me just for the use of 'Prowsey', plus as OCD points out we appear to be setting our sights a bit higher than that.

You need a goal from a free kick, who do you call on?

Douglas Luiz, Lucas Digne or Ashley Young.

I'd rather have The Prowse. 

As you wish.

(https://i0.wp.com/skywalkingthroughneverland.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/IMG_5096.jpg?format=jpg)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Lastfootstamper on May 13, 2023, 07:39:13 PM
			

			

				17 in 8 years. I'm amazed nobody bigger has snapped him up by now...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on May 13, 2023, 08:15:14 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Lastfootstamper on May 13, 2023, 07:39:13 PM
17 in 8 years. I'm amazed nobody bigger has snapped him up by now...
Two goals per season, not so good and besides he’s crap and part of a team with severe losing addiction. I am not surprised 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LukeJames on May 13, 2023, 08:16:54 PM
			

			

				I would have been happy with him a year or two back but not now.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on May 13, 2023, 08:59:31 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on May 13, 2023, 05:16:28 PM
Saints gone.

Lets get Prowsey  8)

No thanks…
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on May 13, 2023, 09:02:19 PM
			

			

				Prowsey is the sort of player Liverpool would get under Klopp and he'd be the engine of the midfield for the next five years and everyone wonders why he wasn't snapped up sooner.

Honestly JWP is a great player. Make it happen Villa. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on May 13, 2023, 09:07:08 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on May 13, 2023, 07:04:19 PM
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@villareport
Mateu Alemany has promised Joan Laporta that he will not sign any players from Barcelona out of respect. 
@sport
 #avfc

I don’t believe that for a second. We just poached their highly rated Director of Football. They are skint and need to relieve themselves of a number of players and salaries. If we make a reasonable offer for a player they are open to selling they will sell. Barcelona aren’t going to care if the money comes from Aston Villa or any other club.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on May 13, 2023, 09:10:54 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 13, 2023, 09:07:08 PM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on May 13, 2023, 07:04:19 PM
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@villareport
Mateu Alemany has promised Joan Laporta that he will not sign any players from Barcelona out of respect. 
@sport
 #avfc

I don’t believe that for a second. We just poached their highly rated Director of Football. They are skint and need to relieve themselves of a number of players and salaries. If we make a reasonable offer for a player they are open to selling they will sell. Barcelona aren’t going to care if the money comes from Aston Villa or any other club.

It might be the complete opposite and Barca asking him to take a couple just to ease their finances.  Out of respect, I won't poach any players, is more like it.   We will soon find out I suppose.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on May 13, 2023, 09:11:38 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on May 13, 2023, 09:02:19 PM
Prowsey is the sort of player Liverpool would get under Klopp and he'd be the engine of the midfield for the next five years and everyone wonders why he wasn't snapped up sooner.

Honestly JWP is a great player. Make it happen Villa.

Let Liverpool have him then…if he was anything like good enough hed have been out of Southampton years and years ago.  The only player of there’s I’d go anywhere near is Lavia….he could be a star
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on May 13, 2023, 09:13:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on May 13, 2023, 09:10:54 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 13, 2023, 09:07:08 PM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on May 13, 2023, 07:04:19 PM
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@villareport
Mateu Alemany has promised Joan Laporta that he will not sign any players from Barcelona out of respect. 
@sport
 #avfc

I don’t believe that for a second. We just poached their highly rated Director of Football. They are skint and need to relieve themselves of a number of players and salaries. If we make a reasonable offer for a player they are open to selling they will sell. Barcelona aren’t going to care if the money comes from Aston Villa or any other club.

It might be the complete opposite and Barca asking him to take a couple just to ease their finances.  Out of respect, I won't poach any players, is more like it.   We will soon find out I suppose.

Maybe. I just don’t think any kind of gentleman’s agreements exist like that. And especially a club that want to buy players or just keep some of the ones they have. They can’t even do that. They’re not turning us down just because we recruited a former executive. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on May 13, 2023, 09:18:19 PM
			

			

				https://twitter.com/footballreprt/status/1657479674358820866?s=46&t=0-BUXD66ovTcofwrbTW4Ag

This kid is decent. Interesting the number colours given who owns them. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on May 13, 2023, 09:20:54 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clampy on May 13, 2023, 10:03:41 AM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on May 13, 2023, 09:54:55 AM
Quote from: Richard E on May 13, 2023, 05:30:26 AM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on May 13, 2023, 02:26:35 AM
If we're still looking for young and hungry, Torres could be the man. He was born on 29/02/2000, so he's only had six birthdays.

But you can’t win anything with kids.

His record is 1 in 4, not good enough for a top class striker.

He's not really an out and out striker though, he's more of a wide forward isn't he?

Whoooooosh!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on May 13, 2023, 09:21:30 PM
			

			

				haha
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 14, 2023, 01:24:37 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on May 13, 2023, 09:20:54 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 13, 2023, 10:03:41 AM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on May 13, 2023, 09:54:55 AM
Quote from: Richard E on May 13, 2023, 05:30:26 AM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on May 13, 2023, 02:26:35 AM
If we're still looking for young and hungry, Torres could be the man. He was born on 29/02/2000, so he's only had six birthdays.

But you can’t win anything with kids.

His record is 1 in 4, not good enough for a top class striker.

He's not really an out and out striker though, he's more of a wide forward isn't he?

Whoooooosh!


It would be a leap to get him
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Zouch Villa on May 14, 2023, 01:32:43 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 13, 2023, 09:07:08 PM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on May 13, 2023, 07:04:19 PM
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@villareport
Mateu Alemany has promised Joan Laporta that he will not sign any players from Barcelona out of respect. 
@sport
 #avfc

I don’t believe that for a second. We just poached their highly rated Director of Football. They are skint and need to relieve themselves of a number of players and salaries. If we make a reasonable offer for a player they are open to selling they will sell. Barcelona aren’t going to care if the money comes from Aston Villa or any other club.

I’m hoping that Alemany has rather got his eyes on the next batch of talent that he would have previously brought in to Barcelona. 

Whilst it’s great that we seem to be bringing in the expertise and prepared to back them with the £ to build something special, we shouldn’t just spunk out a load of money first time to bring in a load of names.  We’re building for the next 5-10 years, let Newcastle and City deuce it out for the vanity signings.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 14, 2023, 01:35:48 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 13, 2023, 09:07:08 PM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on May 13, 2023, 07:04:19 PM
Quote
@villareport
Mateu Alemany has promised Joan Laporta that he will not sign any players from Barcelona out of respect. 
@sport
 #avfc

I don’t believe that for a second. We just poached their highly rated Director of Football. They are skint and need to relieve themselves of a number of players and salaries. If we make a reasonable offer for a player they are open to selling they will sell. Barcelona aren’t going to care if the money comes from Aston Villa or any other club.

More interesting for me is Alemany wanted to bring young talent to Barca, Laporta wants to spend the money bringing back Messi and a few older players. Alemany will have a list of top young players that would improve our squad. I'd prefer we recruit players that will by into the Emery way rather than journeymen that know it all.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on May 14, 2023, 02:20:59 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on May 14, 2023, 01:35:48 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 13, 2023, 09:07:08 PM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on May 13, 2023, 07:04:19 PM
Quote
@villareport
Mateu Alemany has promised Joan Laporta that he will not sign any players from Barcelona out of respect. 
@sport
 #avfc

I don’t believe that for a second. We just poached their highly rated Director of Football. They are skint and need to relieve themselves of a number of players and salaries. If we make a reasonable offer for a player they are open to selling they will sell. Barcelona aren’t going to care if the money comes from Aston Villa or any other club.

More interesting for me is Alemany wanted to bring young talent to Barca, Laporta wants to spend the money bringing back Messi and a few older players. Alemany will have a list of top young players that would improve our squad. I'd prefer we recruit players that will by into the Emery way rather than journeymen that know it all.

Absolutely. I want our future to be a mix of our own academy; be it to develop and bring through or sell, talented ready made younger players who have sell on value and established stars. All of whom are able to play the Emery style from the very beginning. He’s taken a squad of players who 7 months ago most of us, outside of a few didn’t see a future for. He’s going to do amazing things with players he and Alemany has meticulously identified and analyzed. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 14, 2023, 02:38:11 PM
			

			

				I don't think Alemany will be identifying or analysing players, he's the one that will determine the recruitment strategy and budget control. That said he may have a dossier sitting on his desk at Barca of younger targets and prices that he may be photocopying as we speak. ;)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on May 14, 2023, 03:09:14 PM
			

			

				Does Alemany know Louie Barry?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on May 14, 2023, 03:09:29 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: olaftab on May 13, 2023, 09:46:10 AM
Torres is a tall order.

Not if he's leaning. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 14, 2023, 03:24:05 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on May 14, 2023, 03:09:29 PM
Quote from: olaftab on May 13, 2023, 09:46:10 AM
Torres is a tall order.

Not if he's leaning. 

*nods sagely*
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RamboandBruno on May 14, 2023, 05:32:47 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on May 13, 2023, 09:02:19 PM
Prowsey is the sort of player Liverpool would get under Klopp and he'd be the engine of the midfield for the next five years and everyone wonders why he wasn't snapped up sooner.

Honestly JWP is a great player. Make it happen Villa.
Free kicks aside, whenever Ive seen Ward Prowse down the Villa, he hasnt contributed anything. McGinn, Luiz, Kamara, Ramsey are all better, nevermind, whoever else we might bring in. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on May 14, 2023, 05:38:40 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on May 14, 2023, 03:24:05 PM
Quote from: eamonn on May 14, 2023, 03:09:29 PM
Quote from: olaftab on May 13, 2023, 09:46:10 AM
Torres is a tall order.

Not if he's leaning. 

*nods sagely*
About time someone got that😆
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on May 14, 2023, 05:40:03 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on May 13, 2023, 09:02:19 PM
Honestly JWP is a great player. Make it happen Villa. 
Honestly, NO!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Holy Trinity on May 14, 2023, 06:10:12 PM
			

			

				We need 4 in I think 3 starters and 1 new sub keeper.

We need a better RB than Cash or someone around his level to strengthen that area of the pitch. We need a center mid and a winger that will walk in to the first team. A striker on top of that would be nice but I'd like to see Archer get some minutes.

Unless we lose players this summer I cant see the squad having a massive overhaul.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RamboandBruno on May 14, 2023, 06:41:25 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Holy Trinity on May 14, 2023, 06:10:12 PM
We need 4 in I think 3 starters and 1 new sub keeper.

We need a better RB than Cash or someone around his level to strengthen that area of the pitch. We need a center mid and a winger that will walk in to the first team. A striker on top of that would be nice but I'd like to see Archer get some minutes.

Unless we lose players this summer I cant see the squad having a massive overhaul.

Who do you drop for your new CM that walks straight in to the team, Luiz or Kamara? I think we do need another player in this area but i also think the pair we have are one of the best pairings in the league. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: DrGonzo on May 14, 2023, 07:00:38 PM
			

			

				Gundogan, please.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on May 14, 2023, 07:01:07 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Holy Trinity on May 14, 2023, 06:10:12 PM
We need 4 in I think 3 starters and 1 new sub keeper.

We need a better RB than Cash or someone around his level to strengthen that area of the pitch. We need a center mid and a winger that will walk in to the first team. A striker on top of that would be nice but I'd like to see Archer get some minutes.

Unless we lose players this summer I cant see the squad having a massive overhaul.

I mostly agree but I'd qualify it with:
We should be looking for a centre mid who can play the 6 and 8 roles in our 'box' (the latter of course meaning they need to be comfortable drifting out wide).
We should be looking for a winger who can play central as well as on at least 1 wing.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on May 14, 2023, 08:33:57 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on May 13, 2023, 09:02:19 PM
Prowsey is the sort of player Liverpool would get under Klopp and he'd be the engine of the midfield for the next five years and everyone wonders why he wasn't snapped up sooner.

Honestly JWP is a great player. Make it happen Villa.

I don't think Everton would be interested in JWP, not to mind Liverpool. He's tidy and takes a mean set piece. That's it. Douglas Luiz does all that and a hell of a lot more. McGinn, Kamara, Ramsey....all miles more dynamic than JWP. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on May 14, 2023, 08:51:02 PM
			

			

				I've given up on Prowsey now. If my fellow H&Vers say no, then the answer is no  :(


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on May 14, 2023, 09:23:30 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: brontebilly on May 14, 2023, 08:33:57 PM
Quote from: Smirker on May 13, 2023, 09:02:19 PM
Prowsey is the sort of player Liverpool would get under Klopp and he'd be the engine of the midfield for the next five years and everyone wonders why he wasn't snapped up sooner.

Honestly JWP is a great player. Make it happen Villa.

I don't think Everton would be interested in JWP, not to mind Liverpool. He's tidy and takes a mean set piece. That's it. Douglas Luiz does all that and a hell of a lot more. McGinn, Kamara, Ramsey....all miles more dynamic than JWP.

There are lots of players who can look good in a middling side, and can massively improve when they step up. And those who need to be the main guy and bomb when they move.

It's quite possible than Ralph Hasenhüttl has spent five years holding a brilliant player back and he'll become the new Frank Lampard when Emery gets his hands on him. Or he might be a new Ashley Westwood, who is just being dragged from adequate to good by Hasenhüttl's brilliant management. 

Unless someone's watching everything that he does, all the time I really don't see how anyone is confident enough to make the judgement. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on May 14, 2023, 09:43:01 PM
			

			

				JWP isn't a bad player but I don't think there are any guarantees that he'd get in our team ahead of Luiz, Kamara, McGinn or Ramsey. At his age if he's not better than we have then he's probably not worth signing. To improve from where we are now we really need 5-6 players for those 4 spots where you think 1-2 of them are unlucky not to be starting, regardless of the side we pick. If we can get to the point where 5-6 of the guys on the bench 'deserve' to be in the team and the rest is kids and players who can do a job for a few games then we will be ready to challenge the top 6, in my opinion.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on May 14, 2023, 09:48:04 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: DrGonzo on May 14, 2023, 07:00:38 PM
Gundogan, please.

heh lol /gnasher
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on May 14, 2023, 10:01:12 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on May 14, 2023, 09:23:30 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on May 14, 2023, 08:33:57 PM
Quote from: Smirker on May 13, 2023, 09:02:19 PM
Prowsey is the sort of player Liverpool would get under Klopp and he'd be the engine of the midfield for the next five years and everyone wonders why he wasn't snapped up sooner.

Honestly JWP is a great player. Make it happen Villa.

I don't think Everton would be interested in JWP, not to mind Liverpool. He's tidy and takes a mean set piece. That's it. Douglas Luiz does all that and a hell of a lot more. McGinn, Kamara, Ramsey....all miles more dynamic than JWP.

There are lots of players who can look good in a middling side, and can massively improve when they step up. And those who need to be the main guy and bomb when they move.

It's quite possible than Ralph Hasenhüttl has spent five years holding a brilliant player back and he'll become the new Frank Lampard when Emery gets his hands on him. Or he might be a new Ashley Westwood, who is just being dragged from adequate to good by Hasenhüttl's brilliant management. 

Unless someone's watching everything that he does, all the time I really don't see how anyone is confident enough to make the judgement. 

Unai's probably watched videos of him playing for East Lodge FC Under-12's after someone explained the concept of an origins film to him. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on May 14, 2023, 10:48:13 PM
			

			

				The young Frenchman Kamara though is having a hard time dealing with the Prem's toughness and intensity. I say this because Kamara suffers injuries. On that side of things I believe he entered the league too soon despite having ability and class hes been a liabilty given the length of time he spends out injured.
Bailey is similar circumstances. However, a transfer fee was paid for him.
As a business finance decision who wouldn't be surprised if Kamara was sold at a profit.

 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 14, 2023, 10:50:14 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on May 14, 2023, 10:48:13 PM
As a business finance decision who wouldn't be surprised if Kamara was sold at a profit.

It would be hard to sell him at a loss.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on May 14, 2023, 11:25:42 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on May 14, 2023, 10:50:14 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on May 14, 2023, 10:48:13 PM
As a business finance decision who wouldn't be surprised if Kamara was sold at a profit.

It would be hard to sell him at a loss.
Hahaha 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on May 14, 2023, 11:36:27 PM
			

			

				As well as promoting the move for Asensio on a free I also said before about watching Real Betis and who we may move for there. This is at a guess. No source.
Perez of Leicester who is on loan at Betis and avaliable on a free. Just the sort of Emery signing.
I also think a suitable deal could be done for Portugese defensive midfiddler William Carvalho who would add much needed European experience.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on May 14, 2023, 11:39:36 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on May 14, 2023, 11:36:27 PM
I also said before about watching Real Sociedad and who we may move for there. Perez of Leicester who is on loan at Sociedad and avaliable on a free. Just the sort of Emery signing.

I'd hope that shit players who can't get in the squad for teams that are about to be relegated aren't what become seen as Emery signings.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on May 14, 2023, 11:42:26 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on May 14, 2023, 11:39:36 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on May 14, 2023, 11:36:27 PM
I also said before about watching Real Sociedad and who we may move for there. Perez of Leicester who is on loan at Sociedad and avaliable on a free. Just the sort of Emery signing.

I'd hope that shit players who can't get in the squad for teams that are about to be relegated aren't what become seen as Emery signings.

I meant to say Betis not Sociedad. The club that we signed our flying left back as Moreno was picked from there and I can see one of these two coming.
I'd also add right back Sabaly 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on May 14, 2023, 11:44:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on May 14, 2023, 11:42:26 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 14, 2023, 11:39:36 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on May 14, 2023, 11:36:27 PM
I also said before about watching Real Sociedad and who we may move for there. Perez of Leicester who is on loan at Sociedad and avaliable on a free. Just the sort of Emery signing.

I'd hope that shit players who can't get in the squad for teams that are about to be relegated aren't what become seen as Emery signings.

I meant to say Betis not Sociedad. The club that we signed our flying left back as Moreno was picked from there and I can see one of these two coming.

More Morenos are fine. Ayoze Perez isn't one of them.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on May 14, 2023, 11:47:51 PM
			

			

				 Christ, I'm really glad you're not employed by a football team Footy as your 'scouting' skills are bloody terrible mate 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on May 14, 2023, 11:52:00 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on May 14, 2023, 11:44:17 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on May 14, 2023, 11:42:26 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 14, 2023, 11:39:36 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on May 14, 2023, 11:36:27 PM
I also said before about watching Real Sociedad and who we may move for there. Perez of Leicester who is on loan at Sociedad and avaliable on a free. Just the sort of Emery signing.

I'd hope that shit players who can't get in the squad for teams that are about to be relegated aren't what become seen as Emery signings.

I meant to say Betis not Sociedad. The club that we signed our flying left back as Moreno was picked from there and I can see one of these two coming.

More Morenos are fine. Ayoze Perez isn't one of them.
He would fit the main criteria of what is needed for Emery way of playing football.
Has European experience and understands both English and Spanish.
He also has Premier League experience, worked well with Benetiz at Newcastle, and was a rotated and bench member of Leicester's squad he would be able to come in and play.

He'd play a similar role here, but under Emery's tutelage, he'd thrive. He'd be an excellent free agent addition, in my opinion. 
And I fully expect us to be linked to him.
I do think Villa will be sounded out on this one. 

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on May 14, 2023, 11:55:05 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: coreyfeldman on May 14, 2023, 11:47:51 PM
 Christ, I'm really glad you're not employed by a football team Footy as your 'scouting' skills are bloody terrible mate
Not really I mentioned all these players and that likely to be linked and could be bringing in one or two of them as they have all played under Emery.

Right backs (internationals)
Youssouf Sabaly
Senegalese  (Real Betis)
Thomas Meunier
Belgian (Dortmund)
Juan Foyth
Argentinan (Villareal) 

Centre Back
Pau Torres (Villareal)

Midfield:
Lo Celso Played in Prem
Luis Alberto (Lazio)
Denis Suárez (Espanyol) played in Prem
Mattéo Guendouzi (Marseille) Played in Prem
Dani Ceballos (Real Madrid) free 
Francis Coquelin (Villareal) played in Prem
Adrien Rabiot (Juve) free 
Geoffrey Kondogbia (At Madrid)

Winger
Reiss Nelson (Arsenal)
Emile Smith-Rowe (Arsenal)
Gerard Deulofeu (Udinese)Played in Prem
Arnaut Danjuma (Villareal)


Forwards
Odsonne Edouard (Palace)
Nicolas Jackson (Villareal)
Gerard Moreno (Villareal)
Aubameyang  (Chelsea)



			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 14, 2023, 11:59:12 PM
			

			

				I still agree with Corey that I'm glad you're not scouting. Some crap in that lot, especially going forward.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 15, 2023, 12:01:53 AM
			

			

				Also Juan Foyth was ridiculed when over here with Spurs although maybe he has vastly improved since.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 15, 2023, 03:55:45 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on May 15, 2023, 12:01:53 AM
Also Juan Foyth was ridiculed when over here with Spurs 

So was Emery when he was at the other end of the Seven Sisters Road!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on May 15, 2023, 07:02:46 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on May 14, 2023, 11:44:17 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on May 14, 2023, 11:42:26 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 14, 2023, 11:39:36 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on May 14, 2023, 11:36:27 PM
I also said before about watching Real Sociedad and who we may move for there. Perez of Leicester who is on loan at Sociedad and avaliable on a free. Just the sort of Emery signing.

I'd hope that shit players who can't get in the squad for teams that are about to be relegated aren't what become seen as Emery signings.

I meant to say Betis not Sociedad. The club that we signed our flying left back as Moreno was picked from there and I can see one of these two coming.

More Morenos are fine. Ayoze Perez isn't one of them.

Indeed, a player who has consistently proven he’s not the required standard.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: DB on May 15, 2023, 08:12:31 AM
			

			

				Apart from dead ball situations, I don't see what JWP does, a very basic player. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on May 15, 2023, 08:29:24 AM
			

			

				Ayoze Perez could conceivably have a place on the crap premier league players thread. Emery can work wonders but there’s got to be some base talent there in the first place and I’m yet to see it. 
Newcastle committed daylight robbery by getting £30m off Leicester for him, he’s dog shit.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on May 15, 2023, 08:34:58 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on May 15, 2023, 08:29:24 AM
Ayoze Perez could conceivably have a place on the crap premier league players thread. Emery can work wonders but there’s got to be some base talent there in the first place and I’m yet to see it. 
Newcastle committed daylight robbery by getting £30m off Leicester for him, he’s dog shit.

He's underwhelmed every time I've watched him but one moment sticks in my mind, I think the season before last, Leicester had a crucial game at Stamford Bridge to qualify for the champions league and with a couple of minutes left he had a glorious chance pulled back to him to win the game and he shanked it over the bar. I think I shouted "Oh you wanker!" in disgust.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: jwarry on May 15, 2023, 09:03:30 AM
			

			

				Lava would be a hot signing 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on May 15, 2023, 09:17:57 AM
			

			

				Has Footy really suggested the very nearly 34 year old washed up has been Aubameyang, who can't even get in a shit Chelsea team? Time for another break, Footy mate.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Proposition Joe on May 15, 2023, 09:21:20 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on May 15, 2023, 08:34:58 AM
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on May 15, 2023, 08:29:24 AM
Ayoze Perez could conceivably have a place on the crap premier league players thread. Emery can work wonders but there’s got to be some base talent there in the first place and I’m yet to see it. 
Newcastle committed daylight robbery by getting £30m off Leicester for him, he’s dog shit.

He's underwhelmed every time I've watched him but one moment sticks in my mind, I think the season before last, Leicester had a crucial game at Stamford Bridge to qualify for the champions league and with a couple of minutes left he had a glorious chance pulled back to him to win the game and he shanked it over the bar. I think I shouted "Oh you wanker!" in disgust.

His name also reminds me of Rosie Perez, so in my head when I read it it's always in that strong Noo Yoick accent.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on May 15, 2023, 09:39:55 AM
			

			

				Footy's comeback has been erratic but I still back him to take us into Europe.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on May 15, 2023, 09:42:20 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on May 15, 2023, 09:39:55 AM
Footy's comeback has been erratic but I still back him to take us into Europe.

He'd be taking us to the Championship with his suggestions.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on May 15, 2023, 09:46:42 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on May 15, 2023, 09:42:20 AM
Quote from: eamonn on May 15, 2023, 09:39:55 AM
Footy's comeback has been erratic but I still back him to take us into Europe.

He'd be taking us to the Championship with his suggestions.

El Championshit 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on May 15, 2023, 10:14:54 AM
			

			

				At least his aiming a bit higher than Jozy Altidore these days. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on May 15, 2023, 12:21:25 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clampy on May 15, 2023, 10:14:54 AM
At least his aiming a bit higher than Jozy Altidore these days. 

Yeh, just a bunch of Spanish speaking ones. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: rooboy316 on May 15, 2023, 12:25:06 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 15, 2023, 12:21:25 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 15, 2023, 10:14:54 AM
At least his aiming a bit higher than Jozy Altidore these days. 

Yeh, just a bunch of Spanish speaking ones. 

José Altidore.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SoccerHQ on May 15, 2023, 12:46:19 PM
			

			

				Lo Celso getting linked again, Emery managed him at PSG and signed him twice for Villareal.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on May 15, 2023, 12:48:05 PM
			

			

				There are some really talented technical players across Europe that will cost a fraction of English based players. Whether they come from Spain or another country I cannot wait for the summer rebuilding project to start. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 15, 2023, 12:58:59 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 15, 2023, 12:48:05 PM
There are some really talented technical players across Europe that will cost a fraction of English based players. Whether they come from Spain or another country I cannot wait for the summer rebuilding project to start. 



I know ,  i am not going to get a lot of work done this summer as i keep coming on here for news and bollocks 😳😃
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on May 15, 2023, 02:02:12 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on May 15, 2023, 09:17:57 AM
Has Footy really suggested the very nearly 34 year old washed up has been Aubameyang, who can't even get in a shit Chelsea team? Time for another break, Footy mate.
What I've informed the h and v forum is the likelihood of these players being linked. And actually Aubameyang has.
Doesn't mean he's coming or that I want him signed.

Vast difference.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on May 15, 2023, 02:03:24 PM
			

			

				The only thing I can say for knowing there's a Chelsea International who Villa are more keen on signing than him. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on May 15, 2023, 02:07:30 PM
			

			

				To be fair, they do own half the players in the country.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on May 15, 2023, 02:07:54 PM
			

			

				Doug Rougvie?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 15, 2023, 02:08:02 PM
			

			

				Oooh ooh, let me guess, is it Azplilahdidadhoopsadaisyhaveabananacueta?

On account of him speaking Spanish?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 15, 2023, 02:08:22 PM
			

			

				Kerry Dixon?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on May 15, 2023, 02:08:48 PM
			

			

				The Spanish John Kerr.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Richard on May 15, 2023, 07:27:34 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on May 15, 2023, 02:03:24 PM
The only thing I can say for knowing there's a Chelsea International who Villa are more keen on signing than him. 

That narrows it down to about 30.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on May 15, 2023, 07:49:59 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on May 15, 2023, 02:03:24 PM
The only thing I can say for knowing there's a Chelsea International who Villa are more keen on signing than him. 

Has Chukkie realised the error of his ways?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Goldenballs on May 15, 2023, 07:58:27 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on May 15, 2023, 07:49:59 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on May 15, 2023, 02:03:24 PM
The only thing I can say for knowing there's a Chelsea International who Villa are more keen on signing than him. 

Has Chukkie realised the error of his ways?

If he actually likes playing football then I hope so, Emery would've been ideal for his career.

Fuck him though. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on May 15, 2023, 08:15:06 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Goldenballs on May 15, 2023, 07:58:27 PM
Quote from: Steve67 on May 15, 2023, 07:49:59 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on May 15, 2023, 02:03:24 PM
The only thing I can say for knowing there's a Chelsea International who Villa are more keen on signing than him. 

Has Chukkie realised the error of his ways?

If he actually likes playing football then I hope so, Emery would've been ideal for his career.

Fuck him though. 

I'm not sure Gerrard would have been the right choice for steering a young player's career (as it was at the time). That he can barely get a look in at Chelsea's squad of 300 and that we've since appointed Emery and really going places now is just the way the cookie crumbles. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on May 15, 2023, 08:22:09 PM
			

			

				There has been talk of Oxlade-Chamberlin coming in on a free.
There were 3 Prem Clubs interested which are Newcastle, Brighton and ourselves.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Hookeysmith on May 15, 2023, 08:25:23 PM
			

			

				I'd rather a tin of oxtail soup.

We don't do sloppy seconds anymore
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Mister E on May 15, 2023, 08:29:25 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on May 15, 2023, 08:22:09 PM
There has been talk of Oxlade-Chamberlin coming in on a free.
There were 3 Prem Clubs interested which are Newcastle, Brighton and ourselves.
 But does he speak Spanish, Footy?
No, I thought not.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on May 15, 2023, 08:33:49 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on May 15, 2023, 08:22:09 PM
There has been talk of Oxlade-Chamberlin coming in on a free.
There were 3 Prem Clubs interested which are Newcastle, Brighton and ourselves.

Are you going to repeat every single made up transfer rumour you find on the internet until the end of August? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on May 15, 2023, 08:35:41 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: coreyfeldman on May 15, 2023, 08:33:49 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on May 15, 2023, 08:22:09 PM
There has been talk of Oxlade-Chamberlin coming in on a free.
There were 3 Prem Clubs interested which are Newcastle, Brighton and ourselves.

Are you going to repeat every single made up transfer rumour you find on the internet until the end of August?
I fkin hope not.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on May 15, 2023, 08:37:31 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ChicagoLion on May 15, 2023, 08:35:41 PM
Quote from: coreyfeldman on May 15, 2023, 08:33:49 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on May 15, 2023, 08:22:09 PM
There has been talk of Oxlade-Chamberlin coming in on a free.
There were 3 Prem Clubs interested which are Newcastle, Brighton and ourselves.

Are you going to repeat every single made up transfer rumour you find on the internet until the end of August?
I fkin hope not.

It's not impossible though is it 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on May 15, 2023, 08:45:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: coreyfeldman on May 15, 2023, 08:37:31 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on May 15, 2023, 08:35:41 PM
Quote from: coreyfeldman on May 15, 2023, 08:33:49 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on May 15, 2023, 08:22:09 PM
There has been talk of Oxlade-Chamberlin coming in on a free.
There were 3 Prem Clubs interested which are Newcastle, Brighton and ourselves.

Are you going to repeat every single made up transfer rumour you find on the internet until the end of August?
I fkin hope not.

It's not impossible though is it
No, and then there are the bat shit crazy never in a month of Sundays made up bollocks.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on May 15, 2023, 09:13:37 PM
			

			

				I think you mean theories? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on May 15, 2023, 09:14:11 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: coreyfeldman on May 15, 2023, 08:37:31 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on May 15, 2023, 08:35:41 PM
Quote from: coreyfeldman on May 15, 2023, 08:33:49 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on May 15, 2023, 08:22:09 PM
There has been talk of Oxlade-Chamberlin coming in on a free.
There were 3 Prem Clubs interested which are Newcastle, Brighton and ourselves.

Are you going to repeat every single made up transfer rumour you find on the internet until the end of August?
I fkin hope not.

It's not impossible though is it
Lots of people mention the rumours and give own speculation. 
I'm just one of many posters who do that and wanted to share these for debate 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on May 15, 2023, 10:17:36 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on May 13, 2023, 05:16:28 PM
Saints gone.

Lets get Prowsey  8)

Hear me out lads.

What about James Madison and Harvey Barnes?

 8)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV82EC on May 15, 2023, 10:25:39 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on May 15, 2023, 09:14:11 PM
Quote from: coreyfeldman on May 15, 2023, 08:37:31 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on May 15, 2023, 08:35:41 PM
Quote from: coreyfeldman on May 15, 2023, 08:33:49 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on May 15, 2023, 08:22:09 PM
There has been talk of Oxlade-Chamberlin coming in on a free.
There were 3 Prem Clubs interested which are Newcastle, Brighton and ourselves.

Are you going to repeat every single made up transfer rumour you find on the internet until the end of August?
I fkin hope not.

It's not impossible though is it
Lots of people mention the rumours and give own speculation. 
I'm just one of many posters who do that and wanted to share these for debate

There’s putting sensible things up for debate and there’s just posting stuff which is just baseless rumour and horseshit ie anything Football Insider post or do. I’d suggest you learn to distinguish between the two and try and have an edit function or people are going to be getting tired of “debate” pretty quickly FV. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on May 15, 2023, 10:53:36 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV82EC on May 15, 2023, 10:25:39 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on May 15, 2023, 09:14:11 PM
Quote from: coreyfeldman on May 15, 2023, 08:37:31 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on May 15, 2023, 08:35:41 PM
Quote from: coreyfeldman on May 15, 2023, 08:33:49 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on May 15, 2023, 08:22:09 PM
There has been talk of Oxlade-Chamberlin coming in on a free.
There were 3 Prem Clubs interested which are Newcastle, Brighton and ourselves.

Are you going to repeat every single made up transfer rumour you find on the internet until the end of August?
I fkin hope not.

It's not impossible though is it
Lots of people mention the rumours and give own speculation. 
I'm just one of many posters who do that and wanted to share these for debate

There’s putting sensible things up for debate and there’s just posting stuff which is just baseless rumour and horseshit ie anything Football Insider post or do. I’d suggest you learn to distinguish between the two and try and have an edit function or people are going to be getting tired of “debate” pretty quickly FV. 

Have you read the thread title ?
It includes hopes and rumours not baseless rumours, just rumours

Footy is entitled to put baseless rumours on here as they still count as rumours as Is anyone else 

The chain has to keep going it don’t stop until we realise our dreams


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 15, 2023, 10:57:44 PM
			

			

				I am looking forward to a summer of googling Spanish and Portuguese players i have no knowledge of 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on May 15, 2023, 11:05:04 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on May 15, 2023, 10:57:44 PM
I am looking forward to a summer of googling Spanish and Portuguese players i have no knowledge of
Those are my favourite sort of signings. Players I've never heard of, then look them up on Wikipedia and Transfermarkt and decide that actually they're brilliant and we're definitely going to win the FA Cup this year.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 16, 2023, 12:59:46 AM
			

			

				One thing that gets on my tits in terms of the transfers of youngsters is when they're labelled 'the next Ronaldo' or 'Messi' etc. The kid has scored 10 goals in the Dutch league and is being hyped as the next best player of a generation. He's just scored some good goals, have a better imagination. You never hear 'he's the next Marlon Harewood' for a lad who.has a 1 in 6 record.

That's me doing the 'old man yelling at a cloud' meme, anyway.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeonW on May 16, 2023, 01:56:52 AM
			

			

				Dream signing from me (though we’ve got no chance) is Kvaratskhelia from Napoli. Would also take a punt on Patrick Schick. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 16, 2023, 02:00:34 AM
			

			

				I’ll save footy some trouble. Links so far:

Giovani Lo Celso, 27, (lf), CM, Tottenham
Nico Williams, 20 , (rf), W/F, Athletic Bilbao
Renato Sanches, 25, (rf), CM, PSG
Ferran Torres, 23, (rf),LW/RW, Barcelona
Dani Parejo, 34, (rf), CM, Villareal
Dusan Vlahovic, 23, (lf), CF, Juventus
James Ward-Prowse, 28, (rf), CM, Southampton
Jefferson Lerma, 28, (rf), DM, Bournemouth (Free)
Marcelo Brozovic, 30, (both), DM, Inter
Denzel Dumfries, 27, (rf), RB/RM, Inter
Pau Torres, 26, (lf), CB, Villareal
Moussa Dembele, 26, CF, Lyon (Free)
Geoffrey Kondogbia, 30, DM, Athletic Madrid
Manuel Ugarte, 22, (rf), DM/CM, Sporting
Marco Asensio, 27, (lf), RW/LW/CAM, Real Madrid (free)
Alex Buena, 21, (rf), LW/CAM/RW, Villareal
Brennan Johnson, 21, (rf), AM/W, Nottingham
Lois Openda, 23, (rf), CF, Lens
Seko Fofana, 28, (rf), CM/DM, Lens
Kevin Danso, 24, (rf), RB/CB, Lens
Mattéo Guendouzi, 24, CM, Marseille
James McAtee, 20, CM, Man City
Reiss Nelson, 23, RW, Arsenal (fre)
Yeremy Pino, 20, LWRW, Villareal 
João Palhinha, 27, DM, Fulham
Martin Zubimendi, 24, DM, Real Siciedad
Mikel Merino, 26, CM, Real Sociedad
Samuel Iling-Junior, 19, F/LW, Juventus
Branco van den Boomen, 27, CM, Toulouse (free)
Viktor Tsygankov, 25, RW, Girona
Ibrahima Bamba, 21, CB, Vitoria
Takefusa Kubo, 21, RW, Real Sociedad
Andreas Christensen, 27, CB, Barcelona
Harvey Barnes, 25, LW, Leicester
Kieran Tierney, 25, LB, Arsenal
Lee Kang-in, 22, AM, Mallorca
Marcus Thuram, 25. CF, Borussia Monchengladbach (free)
Ivan Fresneda, 18, RB, Real Valladolid
Adrien Truffert, 21, LB, Rennes
Dion Lopy, 21, DM, Stade Reims
Orkun Kökcü, 22, CM, Feyenoord
Santiago Gimenez, 22, CF, Feyenoord
Ivan Toney, 27, CF, Brentford
Bryan Mbeuno, 23, RW, Brentford
Emile Smith Rowe, 22, AM, Arsenal
Andre Almeida, 22, CM, Valencia
Alberto Moleiro, 19, AM, Las Palmas
Pedro Goncalves, 24, AM, Sporting
Luiz Henrique, 22, RW, Real Betis
Juan Foyth, 25, RB, Villareal
Samuel Chukwueze, 23, RW, Villareal
Nicolas Jackson, 21, CF, Villareal
Kelvin Phillips, 27, DM, Man City
Kyle Walker, 33, RB, Man City
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeonW on May 16, 2023, 03:41:02 AM
			

			

				Would love us to sign Toney (but I wouldn’t bet on it).

More realistic ones I could see happening are: 
Giovani Lo Celso, Guendouzi, Kang the Conqueror.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: rooboy316 on May 16, 2023, 04:56:06 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on May 16, 2023, 02:00:34 AM
I’ll save footy some trouble. Links so far:


I reckon that squad will have enough depth for us to navigate the challenges of making Europe. Should put some of us at ease.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: simboy on May 16, 2023, 07:13:06 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: rooboy316 on May 16, 2023, 04:56:06 AM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on May 16, 2023, 02:00:34 AM
I’ll save footy some trouble. Links so far:



I bet Ivan Toney would play in goal ... 

I reckon that squad will have enough depth for us to navigate the challenges of making Europe. Should put some of us at ease.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on May 16, 2023, 07:21:28 AM
			

			

				As it happens Villarreal were on the TV after the Leicester game, they beat Bilbao 5.1, stand out player was Alex Beuna, very slight but very lively, might though have the same physical struggles as Buendia has had. Chukwezi looked a little raw but frighteningly quick. Lo Selso neat and tidy with out looking too much better than what we have, Pau Torres I didn’t really notice although that might be a good thing. Williams looked to make some smart runs between CB and full back but without much result. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SamTheMouse on May 16, 2023, 07:39:11 AM
			

			

				Chukwueze is the one for me. I reckon he'd take to the Premier League like a duck to water. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Duncan Shaw on May 16, 2023, 08:51:26 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: rooboy316 on May 16, 2023, 04:56:06 AM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on May 16, 2023, 02:00:34 AM
I’ll save footy some trouble. Links so far:


Apart from no goalie, and Emi is definitely leaving because some bloke in Argentina/the press say so and him and Emery hate each other.

I reckon that squad will have enough depth for us to navigate the challenges of making Europe. Should put some of us at ease.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Paul.S on May 16, 2023, 09:38:55 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Goldenballs on May 15, 2023, 07:58:27 PM
Quote from: Steve67 on May 15, 2023, 07:49:59 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on May 15, 2023, 02:03:24 PM
The only thing I can say for knowing there's a Chelsea International who Villa are more keen on signing than him. 

Has Chukkie realised the error of his ways?

If he actually likes playing football then I hope so, Emery would've been ideal for his career.

Fuck him though.

If he likes playing football is very good point. Was it the game and fortune he went after or was he promised game time? If there’s 1 thing Gerrard did well it was to leave him out and try and make him see what it’s like not playing. It didn’t work and now there’s a chance he’ll end up like the dozens of other young Chelsea players, out on loan and forgotten. If playing means anything to him he’ll be pushing for a move, if he’s happy to sit there then there’s your answer.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: boozey182 on May 16, 2023, 10:18:41 AM
			

			

				I may have said this before, but at the Trust meeting in October, Purslow was quite candid about how the Chukwuemeka went down. He basically said that it wasn't for money, because what we offered him was an eye-watering amount. And it presumably wasn't to do with any assurances about playing time because he would naturally find that more difficult at Chelsea. He basically alluded to the fact that he thinks there were quite a few people very keen to get a share of a large signing on fee, which Chelsea would have been offering. I imagine he was surrounded by people that saw Carney as their chance to make a quick buck, so advised him to accept Chelsea's offer.

At a different point in the evening I'm sure Purslow also said that there were some agents that he would refuse to deal with again, but whether that was linked to Chukwuemeka, I'm not sure. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 16, 2023, 10:22:28 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: boozey182 on May 16, 2023, 10:18:41 AM
I may have said this before, but at the Trust meeting in October, Purslow was quite candid about how the Chukwuemeka went down. He basically said that it wasn't for money, because what we offered him was an eye-watering amount. And it presumably wasn't to do with any assurances about playing time because he would naturally find that more difficult at Chelsea. He basically alluded to the fact that he thinks there were quite a few people very keen to get a share of a large signing on fee, which Chelsea would have been offering. I imagine he was surrounded by people that saw Carney as their chance to make a quick buck, so advised him to accept Chelsea's offer.

I don't recall it being mentioned on here before, and it sounds very plausible. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 16, 2023, 10:49:34 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: SamTheMouse on May 16, 2023, 07:39:11 AM
Chukwueze is the one for me. I reckon he'd take to the Premier League like a duck to water. 

He's already made 200 appearances for Villareal so I'd expect him to be beyond "a little raw but frighteningly quick" as PW says. He's also strongly linked with Real Madrid.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on May 16, 2023, 10:59:34 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: algy on May 15, 2023, 11:05:04 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on May 15, 2023, 10:57:44 PM
I am looking forward to a summer of googling Spanish and Portuguese players i have no knowledge of
Those are my favourite sort of signings. Players I've never heard of, then look them up on Wikipedia and Transfermarkt and decide that actually they're brilliant and we're definitely going to win the FA Cup this year.

I can imagine us meeting the £50m release clause of Uruguayan midfielder Ugarte, who plays champions league club Sporting Lisbon in Portugal and speaks Spanish. Other clubs won't.

Players in Portugal and Spain have release clauses written into their contracts, so I believe we know exactly who we want and will make the payments for the deals.

Real Mallorca's Lee Kang-in I could see him being brought in with his release clause matched and is reportedly a reasonable amount of around £15-25m 
Asesnio is available on a free from Real Madrid so I think it will be either/or and even both! 
Those two are excellent attacking players.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on May 16, 2023, 11:09:13 AM
			

			

				I doubt we'll sign Ugarte, I'll be surprised if he doesn't end up at Liverpool.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Paul.S on May 16, 2023, 11:47:20 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: boozey182 on May 16, 2023, 10:18:41 AM
I may have said this before, but at the Trust meeting in October, Purslow was quite candid about how the Chukwuemeka went down. He basically said that it wasn't for money, because what we offered him was an eye-watering amount. And it presumably wasn't to do with any assurances about playing time because he would naturally find that more difficult at Chelsea. He basically alluded to the fact that he thinks there were quite a few people very keen to get a share of a large signing on fee, which Chelsea would have been offering. I imagine he was surrounded by people that saw Carney as their chance to make a quick buck, so advised him to accept Chelsea's offer.

At a different point in the evening I'm sure Purslow also said that there were some agents that he would refuse to deal with again, but whether that was linked to Chukwuemeka, I'm not sure.

You’d have thought Gerrard being the player he was would’ve been able to get through to him over any agent if he did receive bad advice. Look at Bellingham for instance, he obviously had very good advice. A move to a club who continually develop young players and play them and out of the goldfish bowl of the PL. He had offers from all over, including Man Utd, but chose a career pathway and the results speak for themselves. Maybe Chuckwuemeka will get his chance next season but this season could not have worked out how he believed it would.
Young players, without much experience of life or the game rely on advice and guidance. Time will tell if he’s received it.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: London Villan on May 16, 2023, 11:49:27 AM
			

			

				Isn't Chucky a Chelsea fan too?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on May 16, 2023, 11:55:47 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Paul.S on May 16, 2023, 11:47:20 AM
Quote from: boozey182 on May 16, 2023, 10:18:41 AM
I may have said this before, but at the Trust meeting in October, Purslow was quite candid about how the Chukwuemeka went down. He basically said that it wasn't for money, because what we offered him was an eye-watering amount. And it presumably wasn't to do with any assurances about playing time because he would naturally find that more difficult at Chelsea. He basically alluded to the fact that he thinks there were quite a few people very keen to get a share of a large signing on fee, which Chelsea would have been offering. I imagine he was surrounded by people that saw Carney as their chance to make a quick buck, so advised him to accept Chelsea's offer.

At a different point in the evening I'm sure Purslow also said that there were some agents that he would refuse to deal with again, but whether that was linked to Chukwuemeka, I'm not sure.

You’d have thought Gerrard being the player he was would’ve been able to get through to him over any agent if he did receive bad advice. Look at Bellingham for instance, he obviously had very good advice. A move to a club who continually develop young players and play them and out of the goldfish bowl of the PL. He had offers from all over, including Man Utd, but chose a career pathway and the results speak for themselves. Maybe Chuckwuemeka will get his chance next season but this season could not have worked out how he believed it would.
Young players, without much experience of life or the game rely on advice and guidance. Time will tell if he’s received it.
A lot of footballers are a bit thick and sometimes their parent's are not exactly Einstein's, I have heard that is the opposite regarding Bellingham.
So Chuck has gone for Glory instead of focusing on his career and looks like he has egg on his face. The last season will have done nothing for his confidence or development.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on May 16, 2023, 11:57:35 AM
			

			

				Bellingham has a solid family, his old man is a copper, played at lot of non-league and knew people in the game. I doubt know about Carney but I suspect that was not the case for him
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on May 16, 2023, 12:04:50 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on May 16, 2023, 11:57:35 AM
Bellingham has a solid family, his old man is a copper, played at lot of non-league and knew people in the game. I doubt know about Carney but I suspect that was not the case for him

As far as I know his family are pretty sound. He went to Northampton School for Boys, which is one of the best state schools in the country. We know a few people with kids there, and apparently he was a decent student as well as obviously a very good footballer.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Paul.S on May 16, 2023, 12:07:11 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ChicagoLion on May 16, 2023, 11:55:47 AM
Quote from: Paul.S on May 16, 2023, 11:47:20 AM
Quote from: boozey182 on May 16, 2023, 10:18:41 AM
I may have said this before, but at the Trust meeting in October, Purslow was quite candid about how the Chukwuemeka went down. He basically said that it wasn't for money, because what we offered him was an eye-watering amount. And it presumably wasn't to do with any assurances about playing time because he would naturally find that more difficult at Chelsea. He basically alluded to the fact that he thinks there were quite a few people very keen to get a share of a large signing on fee, which Chelsea would have been offering. I imagine he was surrounded by people that saw Carney as their chance to make a quick buck, so advised him to accept Chelsea's offer.

At a different point in the evening I'm sure Purslow also said that there were some agents that he would refuse to deal with again, but whether that was linked to Chukwuemeka, I'm not sure.

You’d have thought Gerrard being the player he was would’ve been able to get through to him over any agent if he did receive bad advice. Look at Bellingham for instance, he obviously had very good advice. A move to a club who continually develop young players and play them and out of the goldfish bowl of the PL. He had offers from all over, including Man Utd, but chose a career pathway and the results speak for themselves. Maybe Chuckwuemeka will get his chance next season but this season could not have worked out how he believed it would.
Young players, without much experience of life or the game rely on advice and guidance. Time will tell if he’s received it.
A lot of footballers are a bit thick and sometimes their parent's are not exactly Einstein's, I have heard that is the opposite regarding Bellingham.
So Chuck has gone for Glory instead of focusing on his career and looks like he has egg on his face. The last season will have done nothing for his confidence or development.

At such a young age it’s all too easy to be impressed by the bright lights and money. It’s so vital to have experienced people around you but you learn from your mistakes. If he’s got good people they’ll be in the new managers office in the summer asking questions. He can’t afford another season sitting in the bench or in the stands. He’s had his big move and as he didn’t want to progress steadily with us no doubt he’ll be looking at his future. If he’s happy not to play then there’s the answer people are looking for.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Paul.S on May 16, 2023, 12:11:59 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on May 16, 2023, 11:57:35 AM
Bellingham has a solid family, his old man is a copper, played at lot of non-league and knew people in the game. I doubt know about Carney but I suspect that was not the case for him

Well they’ve helped him make some very good decisions. He looks and sounds like a very well rounded young bloke. He’s learnt his trade in a fantastic environment and you just can’t see him walking about with a chip on his shoulder. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on May 16, 2023, 12:12:49 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: boozey182 on May 16, 2023, 10:18:41 AM
I may have said this before, but at the Trust meeting in October, Purslow was quite candid about how the Chukwuemeka went down. He basically said that it wasn't for money, because what we offered him was an eye-watering amount. And it presumably wasn't to do with any assurances about playing time because he would naturally find that more difficult at Chelsea. He basically alluded to the fact that he thinks there were quite a few people very keen to get a share of a large signing on fee, which Chelsea would have been offering. I imagine he was surrounded by people that saw Carney as their chance to make a quick buck, so advised him to accept Chelsea's offer.

At a different point in the evening I'm sure Purslow also said that there were some agents that he would refuse to deal with again, but whether that was linked to Chukwuemeka, I'm not sure.

That all makes sense, when you think back to us signing his brother, obviously an extra cash source for family & hangers on.  There was never any sentiment involved as we took Carney & the brother from Northampton but in respect of Carney any decisions this summer need to be made for football not money purposes - he’d massively benefit for a year under Kompany at Burnley for instance not another festering around Chelsea with no European football.

If the advisors around him have changed I’d happily take him back at a cut price because Emery would bring him on massively….but not as part of the ATM mentality that his career has started under.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on May 16, 2023, 12:18:11 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on May 16, 2023, 11:09:13 AM
I doubt we'll sign Ugarte, I'll be surprised if he doesn't end up at Liverpool.

They can't sign everyone. If they've identified higher priorities then it's game on. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on May 16, 2023, 12:21:59 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on May 16, 2023, 12:18:11 PM
Quote from: paul_e on May 16, 2023, 11:09:13 AM
I doubt we'll sign Ugarte, I'll be surprised if he doesn't end up at Liverpool.

They can't sign everyone. If they've identified higher priorities then it's game on. 

Probably depends on their Champions League status - if they've identified Mac Allister, Bellingham and Tchouameni but they don't want to join a team in fifth, then we might find our targets becoming their targets. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ads on May 16, 2023, 02:00:44 PM
			

			

				We're the 2nd best side in the league since 2023 ticked into life. Only Man City have taken more points. 2nd best defence too.

Whoever we add, it's going to be to some very strong foundations.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on May 16, 2023, 05:36:26 PM
			

			

				Emile Smith Rowe and Lo Celso are Emery men they would be welcome additions.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AlexAlexCropley on May 16, 2023, 05:54:36 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on May 16, 2023, 05:36:26 PM
Emile Smith Rowe and Lo Celso are Emery men they would be welcome additions.
No to E SR. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 16, 2023, 06:19:34 PM
			

			

				I hope and expect we'll be looking further than every single player who's played previously under Emery.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on May 16, 2023, 06:26:19 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Paul.S on May 16, 2023, 12:11:59 PM
Quote from: LeeB on May 16, 2023, 11:57:35 AM
Bellingham has a solid family, his old man is a copper, played at lot of non-league and knew people in the game. I doubt know about Carney but I suspect that was not the case for him

He’s learnt his trade in a fantastic environment

Small Heath? 😉
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SamTheMouse on May 16, 2023, 07:19:13 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on May 16, 2023, 06:19:34 PM
I hope and expect we'll be looking further than every single player who's played previously under Emery.

Yeah he's at a big club now, so he'll probably want to take advantage of that to sign bigger players.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 16, 2023, 07:34:46 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on May 16, 2023, 11:09:13 AM
I doubt we'll sign Ugarte, I'll be surprised if he doesn't end up at Liverpool.

True, Liverpool seem to enjoy paying Portuguese clubs double the amount the player is worth.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 16, 2023, 08:29:50 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on May 16, 2023, 07:34:46 PM
Quote from: paul_e on May 16, 2023, 11:09:13 AM
I doubt we'll sign Ugarte, I'll be surprised if he doesn't end up at Liverpool.

True, Liverpool seem to enjoy paying Portuguese clubs double the amount the player is worth.

You want to tell the Darwin Núñez story again, don't you? :)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on May 16, 2023, 08:52:03 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: SoccerHQ on May 15, 2023, 12:46:19 PM
Lo Celso getting linked again, Emery managed him at PSG and signed him twice for Villareal.

Flopped when last in PL though, lazy paper talk I hope. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 16, 2023, 09:12:03 PM
			

			

				So did Salah and De Bruyne.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smithy on May 16, 2023, 09:24:40 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: brontebilly on May 16, 2023, 08:52:03 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on May 15, 2023, 12:46:19 PM
Lo Celso getting linked again, Emery managed him at PSG and signed him twice for Villareal.

Flopped when last in PL though, lazy paper talk I hope. 

I certainly don't remember much about him from when we played Spurs in our first two seasons back up? Did he even play in any of those four games?

Technically he's still a Spurs player it seems.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dave shelley on May 16, 2023, 09:28:38 PM
			

			

				Offer Levy 3 million and Robin Olsen.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on May 16, 2023, 09:56:52 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: dave shelley on May 16, 2023, 09:28:38 PM
Offer Levy 3 million and Robin Olsen.

He's hardly going to accept a million quid is he?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on May 16, 2023, 10:46:32 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smithy on May 16, 2023, 09:24:40 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on May 16, 2023, 08:52:03 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on May 15, 2023, 12:46:19 PM
Lo Celso getting linked again, Emery managed him at PSG and signed him twice for Villareal.

Flopped when last in PL though, lazy paper talk I hope. 

I certainly don't remember much about him from when we played Spurs in our first two seasons back up? Did he even play in any of those four games?

Technically he's still a Spurs player it seems.
He played very well for Emery at Villareal.
And he was also instrumental in Argentina great unbeaten run and a main player in national team before he was injured and ruled out if the world cup.
I think makes good sense to have some one he knows will follow instructions. Good Player.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Axl Rose on May 16, 2023, 10:50:52 PM
			

			

				I thought he was Lamela. That's the extent of my knowledge. Or serious lack of.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on May 16, 2023, 11:05:59 PM
			

			

				Sadio Mane 31 and Joao Cancelo 28 could be moving on and signing them both would be strong moves.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 16, 2023, 11:35:56 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on May 16, 2023, 08:29:50 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on May 16, 2023, 07:34:46 PM
Quote from: paul_e on May 16, 2023, 11:09:13 AM
I doubt we'll sign Ugarte, I'll be surprised if he doesn't end up at Liverpool.

True, Liverpool seem to enjoy paying Portuguese clubs double the amount the player is worth.

You want to tell the Darwin Núñez story again, don't you? :)

Nah I think given a season or two he'll come good but to expect him to be the new Cavini was hoping just a wee bit too much.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 17, 2023, 12:35:00 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on May 16, 2023, 11:35:56 PM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on May 16, 2023, 08:29:50 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on May 16, 2023, 07:34:46 PM
Quote from: paul_e on May 16, 2023, 11:09:13 AM
I doubt we'll sign Ugarte, I'll be surprised if he doesn't end up at Liverpool.

True, Liverpool seem to enjoy paying Portuguese clubs double the amount the player is worth.

You want to tell the Darwin Núñez story again, don't you? :)

Nah I think given a season or two he'll come good but to expect him to be the new Cavini was hoping just a wee bit too much.

I never appreciated how good Cavani was until I saw him play for Man Utd. One of the most intelligent strikers I think I've ever seen.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on May 17, 2023, 01:27:52 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on May 16, 2023, 11:05:59 PM
Sadio Mane 31 and Joao Cancelo 28 could be moving on and signing them both would be strong moves.

But they don't play in Spain (or Portugal), aren't Spanish, don't have guaranteed release clauses... See also Smith - Rowe. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on May 17, 2023, 01:34:40 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on May 16, 2023, 11:05:59 PM
Sadio Mane 31 and Joao Cancelo 28 could be moving on and signing them both would be strong moves.

It wouldn't be worth the money imo. Wages would likely be outrageous. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on May 17, 2023, 07:28:25 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on May 16, 2023, 11:05:59 PM
Sadio Mane 31 and Joao Cancelo 28 could be moving on and signing them both would be strong moves.
When I read your transfer post I expect to be disappointed with your horrific suggestions. Once again you have gone on to confirm that. Lumbering our club with another couple of Coutinho’s would be crippling to say the least.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on May 17, 2023, 07:38:05 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: olaftab on May 17, 2023, 07:28:25 AM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on May 16, 2023, 11:05:59 PM
Sadio Mane 31 and Joao Cancelo 28 could be moving on and signing them both would be strong moves.
When I read your transfer post I expect to be disappointed with your horrific suggestions. Once again you have gone on to confirm that. Lumbering our club with another couple of Coutinho’s would be crippling to say the least.
What nonsense! 
2 exceptional players who have lit up the Premier league?!
Imagine having Moreno and Mane on the left side and Cancello on the right yes that would really hamper us.
Yes Sporting Lisbon Ugarte, Real Mallorca's Lee Kang and  Asesnio of real madrid are also the opposite to horrific.
Seems like you want to just do out downs for the sake of it. 

Up The Villa! 


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on May 17, 2023, 07:39:02 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 link=topic=63847.msg4357289#msg4357289 date=1684280100 [/quote
I never appreciated how good Cavani was until I saw him play for Man Utd. One of the most intelligent strikers I think I've ever seen.
Yes indeed. I watched his super present mind in action in the 3rd round match. His natural laziness had allowed his man, Konsa, to elude him. On realising this he decided to run into Ramsey to earn a foul in the “build up” leading to our goal. Some will say a cheat but as long as officials are blind he’s intelligent.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on May 17, 2023, 07:53:10 AM
			

			

				Think you only have to look at Percy's list from a few pages back to see how many of these rumours are clearly bollocks. They look very much like picking out vaguely plausible names they've either played in sides at the same time as Emery or Alemany have been there.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on May 17, 2023, 08:27:09 AM
			

			

				Granit Xhaka, Ilkay Gundogan and Tammy Abraham had all linked with moves away.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 17, 2023, 08:28:00 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: algy on May 17, 2023, 07:53:10 AM
Think you only have to look at Drummond's list from a few pages back to see how many of these rumours are clearly bollocks. They look very much like picking out vaguely plausible names they've either played in sides at the same time as Emery or Alemany have been there.

Ahem. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on May 17, 2023, 08:31:23 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on May 17, 2023, 08:27:09 AM
Granit Xhaka, Ilkay Gundogan and Tammy Abraham had all linked with moves away.
are you going to post every single player that is mentioned somewhere?

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on May 17, 2023, 08:31:43 AM
			

			

				It's exactly how they work some rumours to give them links. There are as many feasible as unfeasible.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on May 17, 2023, 08:33:25 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on May 17, 2023, 08:28:00 AM
Quote from: algy on May 17, 2023, 07:53:10 AM
Think you only have to look at Drummond's list from a few pages back to see how many of these rumours are clearly bollocks. They look very much like picking out vaguely plausible names they've either played in sides at the same time as Emery or Alemany have been there.

Ahem.
Oh for fuck's sake. Corrected.

I don't know why but I've some mental block that conflates yourself & Drummond as the same person. Must be the 3rd or 4th time I've got you mixed up.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 17, 2023, 08:35:41 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: algy on May 17, 2023, 08:33:25 AM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on May 17, 2023, 08:28:00 AM
Quote from: algy on May 17, 2023, 07:53:10 AM
Think you only have to look at Drummond's list from a few pages back to see how many of these rumours are clearly bollocks. They look very much like picking out vaguely plausible names they've either played in sides at the same time as Emery or Alemany have been there.

Ahem.
Oh for fuck's sake. Corrected.

I don't know why but I've some mental block that conflates yourself & Drummond as the same person. Must be the 3rd or 4th time I've got you mixed up.

I’ve got slightly more hair, but it’s getting closer every day.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on May 17, 2023, 08:37:03 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on May 17, 2023, 08:31:43 AM
It's exactly how they work some rumours to give them links. There are as many feasible as unfeasible.
But it is completely pointless and you are pissing people off.


It’s obviously your intention.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 17, 2023, 08:38:08 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on May 17, 2023, 08:31:43 AM
It's exactly how they work some rumours to give them links. There are as many feasible as unfeasible.

There really aren’t.

Unless you think out of 50 links we might sign 25. Then again, I wouldn’t put it past you.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on May 17, 2023, 08:41:58 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on May 17, 2023, 08:38:08 AM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on May 17, 2023, 08:31:43 AM
It's exactly how they work some rumours to give them links. There are as many feasible as unfeasible.

There really aren’t.

Unless you think out of 50 links we might sign 25. Then again, I wouldn’t put it past you.
Yes, the thread title provides for a fairly wide ranging subject matter, but obviously not wide enough.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on May 17, 2023, 08:46:52 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on May 17, 2023, 08:28:00 AM
Quote from: algy on May 17, 2023, 07:53:10 AM
Think you only have to look at Drummond's list from a few pages back to see how many of these rumours are clearly bollocks. They look very much like picking out vaguely plausible names they've either played in sides at the same time as Emery or Alemany have been there.

Ahem.

Yeah, thanks for posting it for me. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on May 17, 2023, 08:47:50 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on May 17, 2023, 08:35:41 AM
Quote from: algy on May 17, 2023, 08:33:25 AM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on May 17, 2023, 08:28:00 AM
Quote from: algy on May 17, 2023, 07:53:10 AM
Think you only have to look at Drummond's list from a few pages back to see how many of these rumours are clearly bollocks. They look very much like picking out vaguely plausible names they've either played in sides at the same time as Emery or Alemany have been there.

Ahem.
Oh for fuck's sake. Corrected.

I don't know why but I've some mental block that conflates yourself & Drummond as the same person. Must be the 3rd or 4th time I've got you mixed up.

I’ve got slightly more hair, but it’s getting closer every day.

And a little less weight. That's not getting closer. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on May 17, 2023, 08:56:03 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ChicagoLion on May 17, 2023, 08:37:03 AM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on May 17, 2023, 08:31:43 AM
It's exactly how they work some rumours to give them links. There are as many feasible as unfeasible.
But it is completely you are pissing people off.


It’s obviously your intention.

No, it isn't come on now. But I will make a note of what you're saying. I'm attempting to cover all possible bases and suggestions and encourage the discussion.  
I believe Messi was mentioned by someone, but I would never be touting him, Kane or Mbppae, who are all connected with transfers elsewhere.

I'm juts contributing and saying for discussion that there are players moving around who would be nice additions. I didn't realised it was upsetting so many to be speculative even with or without grains of potential truths.
There is also some sense and logic behind release clauses in Iberia leagues, and there appears to be reasonable evidence that there will be a strong Spanish influence across the playing group, just as there is in coaching and directing.

I stand by my knowledge of a Chelsea player potentially arriving, but everything else is based on developed notions or hearing/reading that a player is linked and think the player could/would be excellent for us here, and I leave the door open for discussion on them.

Edit: I have come up with a fair compromise regards my writing links. See below. Thank you.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on May 17, 2023, 09:02:28 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on May 17, 2023, 08:38:08 AM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on May 17, 2023, 08:31:43 AM
It's exactly how they work some rumours to give them links. There are as many feasible as unfeasible.

There really aren’t.

Unless you think out of 50 links we might sign 25. Then again, I wouldn’t put it past you.
Challenge accepted! 
I will do a list of 50 by close of play by Friday.
And then break off from rumours till the window officially opens in early June.

I think that's fair all round.
Great suggestion by You Percy!

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on May 17, 2023, 09:05:23 AM
			

			

				Well Footy, there is a difference between hopes needs expectations, rumours and posting any name that you come up with.
Unless we change the thread title to any one who plays football who speaks or can learn Spanish.
I didn’t need the Spanish lesson either.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on May 17, 2023, 09:05:45 AM
			

			

				Wotto Footy!

Why don't you instead just look at 2-3 that you think would be both feasible and really interesting? Rather than the lazy ones every man and his canine are coming up with.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on May 17, 2023, 09:07:08 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ChicagoLion on May 17, 2023, 09:05:23 AM
Well Footy, there is a difference between hopes needs expectations, rumours and posting any name that you come up with.
Unless we change the thread title to any one who plays football who speaks or can learn Spanish.
I didn’t need the Spanish lesson either.
Noted. Lo siento 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on May 17, 2023, 10:04:40 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on May 17, 2023, 08:56:03 AM

I stand by my knowledge of a Chelsea player potentially arriving, but everything else is based on developed notions or hearing/reading that a player is linked and think the player could/would be excellent for us here, and I leave the door open for discussion on them.



Is it the same Chelsea contact who told you that Potter was in abslutely no danger of the sack and was going to be given 3-4 years to turn things round?!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on May 17, 2023, 10:11:33 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on May 17, 2023, 09:05:45 AM
Wotto Footy!

Why don't you instead just look at 2-3 that you think would be both feasible and really interesting? Rather than the lazy ones every man and his canine are coming up with.

Exactly this, post a smaller list of players you'd actually like to see us sign or players that you think we will genuinely be trying to get.

For example you've mentioned Asensio a few times, that's a good link that has been shared by a few sources, he'd be a great fit, he's available for free and may well be interested. All 3 combined make him someone worth talking about. On the other hand posting a list of names like Aubamayang, who I'd say with absolute certainty won't be coming, is pointless.

Speculating (where there's been no links, etc) is fine, but limit it to players that you actually want us sign and think could be feasible.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on May 17, 2023, 10:17:30 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ads on May 16, 2023, 02:00:44 PM
We're the 2nd best side in the league since 2023 ticked into life. Only Man City have taken more points. 2nd best defence too.

Whoever we add, it's going to be to some very strong foundations.

Yep, that's the exciting thing really.  Anyone coming in is going to have to be better than those we currently have, who you rightly point out have been largely very good under Unai Emery. 

That hopefully bodes well for the calibre of player we will be looking to bring in.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 17, 2023, 10:18:24 AM
			

			

				Are we still the second best side after the recent road bump (1 point from 9)?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on May 17, 2023, 10:33:33 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on May 17, 2023, 10:04:40 AM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on May 17, 2023, 08:56:03 AM

I stand by my knowledge of a Chelsea player potentially arriving, but everything else is based on developed notions or hearing/reading that a player is linked and think the player could/would be excellent for us here, and I leave the door open for discussion on them.



Is it the same Chelsea contact who told you that Potter was in abslutely no danger of the sack and was going to be given 3-4 years to turn things round?!

Ouch. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on May 17, 2023, 10:40:45 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 17, 2023, 10:17:30 AM
Quote from: Ads on May 16, 2023, 02:00:44 PM
We're the 2nd best side in the league since 2023 ticked into life. Only Man City have taken more points. 2nd best defence too.

Whoever we add, it's going to be to some very strong foundations.

Yep, that's the exciting thing really.  Anyone coming in is going to have to be better than those we currently have, who you rightly point out have been largely very good under Unai Emery. 

That hopefully bodes well for the calibre of player we will be looking to bring in.
Which I think reduces the number and type of player we will be bringing in.
I think it will be 3 or 4 first team ready and maybe a couple with potential.
It will be interesting to see if we lose any of our first team regulars as there will definitely be interest from the usual suspects.
The most likely are SJM Watkins Martinez  IMO.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on May 17, 2023, 10:52:16 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on May 17, 2023, 10:11:33 AM
Quote from: Dogtanian on May 17, 2023, 09:05:45 AM
Wotto Footy!

Why don't you instead just look at 2-3 that you think would be both feasible and really interesting? Rather than the lazy ones every man and his canine are coming up with.

Exactly this, post a smaller list of players you'd actually like to see us sign or players that you think we will genuinely be trying to get.

For example you've mentioned Asensio a few times, that's a good link that has been shared by a few sources, he'd be a great fit, he's available for free and may well be interested. All 3 combined make him someone worth talking about. On the other hand posting a list of names like Aubamayang, who I'd say with absolute certainty won't be coming, is pointless.

Speculating (where there's been no links, etc) is fine, but limit it to players that you actually want us sign and think could be feasible.

OK well I won't do a list of 50 but thats not because I can't. 
I'll do 2 or 3 if it comes to mind before the window officially opens.
I think you two are very reasonable suggesting this. And will find some players that interest me.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on May 17, 2023, 11:01:05 AM
			

			

				Footy-Vill you are free to post what you like, share your thoughts and speculate as much as possible.
Of course, you are also free to take a break till early August if you so wish.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on May 17, 2023, 11:03:34 AM
			

			

				There are 92 league clubs + French Spanish Dutch Italian Portuguese Scottish Belgian for starters, I reckon I can come up wit 50 names , would you like them in alphabetical order?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 17, 2023, 11:04:13 AM
			

			

				I could come up with 4,000 names.

I won't though, but it's not because I can't.

Just wanted to clarify that.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on May 17, 2023, 11:05:15 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: olaftab on May 17, 2023, 11:01:05 AM
Footy-Vill you are free to post what you like, share your thoughts and speculate as much as possible.
Of course, you are also free to take a break till early August if you so wish.

Of course he is, but a more targeted list leads to better discussion, which is what I think he's after.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on May 17, 2023, 11:06:06 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on May 17, 2023, 11:05:15 AM
Quote from: olaftab on May 17, 2023, 11:01:05 AM
Footy-Vill you are free to post what you like, share your thoughts and speculate as much as possible.
Of course, you are also free to take a break till early August if you so wish.

Of course he is, but a more targeted list leads to better discussion, which is what I think he's after.
exactly.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on May 17, 2023, 11:09:05 AM
			

			

				Much like our recruitment strategy, quality over quantity. 

I don't know how I'm going to fair this summer. I've already picked up a nasty habit of regularly checking newsnow for articles and we've not even finished the season. All of the websites owned by the Mirror group are horrible to try and use on mobile devices. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 17, 2023, 11:11:31 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on May 17, 2023, 11:09:05 AM
Much like our recruitment strategy, quality over quantity. 

I don't know how I'm going to fair this summer. I've already picked up a nasty habit of regularly checking newsnow for articles and we've not even finished the season. All of the websites owned by the Mirror group are horrible to try and use on mobile devices.

Use Brave as your browser. Built in ad killer. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on May 17, 2023, 11:14:12 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 17, 2023, 11:11:31 AM
Quote from: OCD on May 17, 2023, 11:09:05 AM
Much like our recruitment strategy, quality over quantity. 

I don't know how I'm going to fair this summer. I've already picked up a nasty habit of regularly checking newsnow for articles and we've not even finished the season. All of the websites owned by the Mirror group are horrible to try and use on mobile devices.

Use Brave as your browser. Built in ad killer. 

I've been using that. It also stops you looking at the Daily Mail site. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on May 17, 2023, 11:16:42 AM
			

			

				Interesting. Thanks for the tip, I'll check that out. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on May 17, 2023, 11:16:57 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 17, 2023, 11:04:13 AM
I could come up with 4,000 names.

I won't though, but it's not because I can't.

Just wanted to clarify that.
Oh go on, I want to see the list of 4000?😂
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on May 17, 2023, 11:45:51 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: PeterWithe on May 17, 2023, 11:14:12 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 17, 2023, 11:11:31 AM
Quote from: OCD on May 17, 2023, 11:09:05 AM
Much like our recruitment strategy, quality over quantity. 

I don't know how I'm going to fair this summer. I've already picked up a nasty habit of regularly checking newsnow for articles and we've not even finished the season. All of the websites owned by the Mirror group are horrible to try and use on mobile devices.

Use Brave as your browser. Built in ad killer. 

I've been using that. It also stops you looking at the Daily Mail site.
For privacy, I tend to use:

- Vivaldi Browser (pretty decent built-in adblocker)
- PrivacyBadger (https://privacybadger.org)
- uBlock Origin (https://ublockorigin.com)

Those 3 tend to remove pretty much everything, and the number of sites you're blocked from seeing is minimal and usually restricted to very clickbaity stuff anyway.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on May 17, 2023, 11:46:44 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on May 17, 2023, 10:52:16 AM

OK well I won't do a list of 50 but thats not because I can't. 
I'll do 2 or 3 if it comes to mind before the window officially opens.
I think you two are very reasonable suggesting this. And will find some players that interest me.

To be fair Footy, you mentioned Lo Celso a while ago, and he's been strongly linked now. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on May 17, 2023, 11:48:56 AM
			

			

				Even a blind squirrel occasionally finds a nut. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on May 17, 2023, 12:15:48 PM
			

			

				Footy's more of a bushy-tailed, bright-eyed, naive squirrel rather than a blind one. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on May 17, 2023, 12:17:37 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on May 17, 2023, 12:15:48 PM
Footy's more of a bushy-tailed, bright-eyed, naive squirrel rather than a blind one.

Not one you want focusing on your nuts though.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 17, 2023, 12:19:30 PM
			

			

				Do we have anyone ‘ in the know ‘ here ? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on May 17, 2023, 12:36:21 PM
			

			

				None of us are in ITKs as it relates to Villa transfers. Only the club knows. All any of us can do is regurgitate what we may read or hear from someone else. And as for contacts, no doubt they exist, but nobody can categorically claim the name of a certain player for compromising said contacts. Vinnie of our congregation probably comes closest and even then he is careful with names and usually he comes on towards the end. Anything else, especially so early is purely speculation and the vast majority is utter bollocks. And sites like Footy Insider are precisely the opposite of what they claim to be.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on May 17, 2023, 12:38:42 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on May 17, 2023, 12:19:30 PM
Do we have anyone ‘ in the know ‘ here ? 

Off the top of the head but some are from other Villa fan platforms...

VinnieChase84
MysteryMan
VillaWhispers
TheTrees
Feargal Sharkey
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on May 17, 2023, 12:58:57 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on May 17, 2023, 12:38:42 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on May 17, 2023, 12:19:30 PM
Do we have anyone ‘ in the know ‘ here ? 

Off the top of the head but some are from other Villa fan platforms...

VinnieChase84
MysteryMan
VillaWhispers
TheTrees
Feargal Sharkey

A good ITK these days is hard to find.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on May 17, 2023, 01:27:09 PM
			

			

				A number of links to Betis midfielder Manuel Ugarte today. Looks a good all round midfielder 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ads on May 17, 2023, 01:31:23 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 17, 2023, 10:18:24 AM
Are we still the second best side after the recent road bump (1 point from 9)?

Yep, a point ahead of Arsenal. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on May 17, 2023, 01:34:16 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 17, 2023, 01:27:09 PM
A number of links to Betis midfielder Manuel Ugarte today. Looks a good all round midfielder 

Sometimes I feel like saying Lord I just don't care, but Ugarte the link I need to see me through.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on May 17, 2023, 01:42:30 PM
			

			

				Sporting Lisbon rather than Betis. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rigadon on May 17, 2023, 01:49:43 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on May 17, 2023, 01:34:16 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 17, 2023, 01:27:09 PM
A number of links to Betis midfielder Manuel Ugarte today. Looks a good all round midfielder 

Sometimes I feel like saying Lord I just don't care, but Ugarte the link I need to see me through.

Outstanding.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on May 17, 2023, 01:53:46 PM
			

			

				Hahaha 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 17, 2023, 02:07:24 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 17, 2023, 01:27:09 PM
A number of links to Betis midfielder Manuel Ugarte today. Looks a good all round midfielder 

Too many links. Sporting aren't happy with the behavior of Liverpool and are threatening legal action. Ugarte's an exceptional tackler, unbelievable in fact but he doesn't have much more to his game. Still, if you want to play with just one defensive midfielder, he'll do the job. €60m is taking the piss though.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Richard on May 17, 2023, 02:20:39 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clampy on May 17, 2023, 12:58:57 PM
Quote from: eamonn on May 17, 2023, 12:38:42 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on May 17, 2023, 12:19:30 PM
Do we have anyone ‘ in the know ‘ here ? 

Off the top of the head but some are from other Villa fan platforms...

VinnieChase84
MysteryMan
VillaWhispers
TheTrees
Feargal Sharkey

A good ITK these days is hard to find.

Very good Clampy
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 17, 2023, 03:01:33 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on May 17, 2023, 01:34:16 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 17, 2023, 01:27:09 PM
A number of links to Betis midfielder Manuel Ugarte today. Looks a good all round midfielder 

Sometimes I feel like saying Lord I just don't care, but Ugarte the link I need to see me through.

Brilliant. I read that first then checked the poster thinking ‘that’ll be Lee’.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 17, 2023, 03:03:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clampy on May 17, 2023, 12:58:57 PM
Quote from: eamonn on May 17, 2023, 12:38:42 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on May 17, 2023, 12:19:30 PM
Do we have anyone ‘ in the know ‘ here ? 

Off the top of the head but some are from other Villa fan platforms...

VinnieChase84
MysteryMan
VillaWhispers
TheTrees
Feargal Sharkey

A good ITK these days is hard to find.

Chortle.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: DB on May 17, 2023, 05:08:34 PM
			

			

				Toney suspended from Football for 8 months. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on May 17, 2023, 05:12:55 PM
			

			

				About 3 months of that is the summer. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: trinityoap on May 17, 2023, 05:13:24 PM
			

			

				So. Just in time for the Spurs game. Who would have thought it?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on May 17, 2023, 05:28:55 PM
			

			

				Yep. Why not just delay the announcement until after the season so that it's fair? Idiots. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 17, 2023, 05:33:24 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on May 17, 2023, 05:28:55 PM
Yep. Why not just delay the announcement until after the season so that it's fair? Idiots.

They’re only idiots if they’re not actively trying to help Spurs.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on May 17, 2023, 05:35:37 PM
			

			

				They're not trying to help Spurs, they're just slow and stupid. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 17, 2023, 05:46:11 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on May 17, 2023, 05:35:37 PM
They're not trying to help Spurs, they're just slow and stupid.

I disagree. I think it’s corruption.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: DB on May 17, 2023, 05:47:45 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: trinityoap on May 17, 2023, 05:13:24 PM
So. Just in time for the Spurs game. Who would have thought it?

If he appeals then would be allowed to carry on playing until it's confirmed?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: curiousorange on May 17, 2023, 05:47:57 PM
			

			

				I don't think they're actively trying to help Tottenham, they're just not bothered that they are.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Paul.S on May 17, 2023, 05:54:38 PM
			

			

				Wait until May 29th and then announce it. Surely someone who’s paid a lot of money would’ve foreseen comments thrown at them for banning someone for the last 2 games when it’s been ongoing with a guilty plea for months.
It’s staggering that no one could see this coming. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Vegas on May 17, 2023, 05:57:01 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: curiousorange on May 17, 2023, 05:47:57 PM
I don't think they're actively trying to help Tottenham, they're just not bothered that they are.

Agreed. I can’t believe they actively thought “let’s help Spurs finish 7th not 8th”. But so easy just to wait until the end of the season now. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on May 17, 2023, 05:57:21 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: DB on May 17, 2023, 05:47:45 PM
Quote from: trinityoap on May 17, 2023, 05:13:24 PM
So. Just in time for the Spurs game. Who would have thought it?

If he appeals then would be allowed to carry on playing until it's confirmed?
Why would he appeal, the timing means the first 3 months is closed season.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: DB on May 17, 2023, 06:45:31 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on May 17, 2023, 05:57:21 PM
Quote from: DB on May 17, 2023, 05:47:45 PM
Quote from: trinityoap on May 17, 2023, 05:13:24 PM
So. Just in time for the Spurs game. Who would have thought it?

If he appeals then would be allowed to carry on playing until it's confirmed?
Why would he appeal, the timing means the first 3 months is closed season.

To get it reduced?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on May 17, 2023, 06:45:44 PM
			

			

				All this bollocks about diluting the spirit of the league and then they make a decision that's doing just that. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on May 17, 2023, 09:50:14 PM
			

			

				The FA never get anything right.  Fucking useless morons. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on May 17, 2023, 10:06:32 PM
			

			

				The 8 months presumably factored-in the "off season". 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Lsvilla on May 17, 2023, 10:14:01 PM
			

			

				At what level did they agree that now was the best time to do this rather than wait 10 days. Incompetence at best but surely someone on the panel must have said "hang on a minute - why don't we just see the season out and then announce the ban ?" He missed the last game injured anyway FFS 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 17, 2023, 11:54:21 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: olaftab on May 17, 2023, 07:39:02 AM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 link=topic=63847.msg4357289#msg4357289 date=1684280100 [/quote
I never appreciated how good Cavani was until I saw him play for Man Utd. One of the most intelligent strikers I think I've ever seen.
Yes indeed. I watched his super present mind in action in the 3rd round match. His natural laziness had allowed his man, Konsa, to elude him. On realising this he decided to run into Ramsey to earn a foul in the “build up” leading to our goal. Some will say a cheat but as long as officials are blind he’s intelligent.

One example against us cheating doesn't stop him being intelligent no matter how blind the officials are. He gets praised a lot by professionals and I can see why, I'd want any young striker watching his movement. Loads of these pricks cheat, we need to become pricks as well.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on May 18, 2023, 06:53:13 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clampy on May 17, 2023, 12:58:57 PM
Quote from: eamonn on May 17, 2023, 12:38:42 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on May 17, 2023, 12:19:30 PM
Do we have anyone ‘ in the know ‘ here ? 
Off the top of the head but some are from other Villa fan platforms...
VinnieChase84
MysteryMan
VillaWhispers
TheTrees
Feargal Sharkey
A good ITK these days is hard to find.
So please be gentle with these posts of Footy
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on May 18, 2023, 03:18:37 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: olaftab on May 18, 2023, 06:53:13 AM
Quote from: Clampy on May 17, 2023, 12:58:57 PM
Quote from: eamonn on May 17, 2023, 12:38:42 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on May 17, 2023, 12:19:30 PM
Do we have anyone ‘ in the know ‘ here ? 
Off the top of the head but some are from other Villa fan platforms...
VinnieChase84
MysteryMan
VillaWhispers
TheTrees
Feargal Sharkey
A good ITK these days is hard to find.
So please be gentle with these posts of Footy
ITK 
Journos Gregg Evans, Ashley Preece, John Percy, Tom Collomosse.
Sky Sports:Dharmesh Sheth, Kaveh Solheko and Rob Dorsett, 
BBC WM radio: Mark Regan
TalkSport: Villa contacts and news Jim White and Alex Crook, Gabby Agbonlahor.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV82EC on May 18, 2023, 03:20:03 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on May 18, 2023, 03:18:37 PM
Quote from: olaftab on May 18, 2023, 06:53:13 AM
Quote from: Clampy on May 17, 2023, 12:58:57 PM
Quote from: eamonn on May 17, 2023, 12:38:42 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on May 17, 2023, 12:19:30 PM
Do we have anyone ‘ in the know ‘ here ? 
Off the top of the head but some are from other Villa fan platforms...
VinnieChase84
MysteryMan
VillaWhispers
TheTrees
Feargal Sharkey
A good ITK these days is hard to find.
So please be gentle with these posts of Footy
ITK 
Journos Gregg Evans, Ashley Preece, John Percy, Tom Collomosse.
Sky Sports:Dharmesh Sheth, Kaveh Solheko and Rob Dorsett, 
BBC WM radio: Mark Regan
TalkSport: Villa contacts and news Jim White and Alex Crook, Gabby Agbonlahor.

If that’s ITK then there is no hope.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on May 18, 2023, 03:24:22 PM
			

			

				Spanish journalist  Guillem Balagué is also informed as he knew about Emery and then Paco coming in. I think he also knew of Coutinho Villa interest. I find Balagué one to look out for due to being Spainish football expert and seems connecter on all things Spainish related. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on May 18, 2023, 03:27:19 PM
			

			

				I don't find Pete O'Rourke of football insider too reliable.
He announced that " Brentford confident of fending off Aston Villa's Ivan Toney bid" 

I don't buy it 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on May 18, 2023, 04:23:02 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on May 18, 2023, 03:18:37 PM
Quote from: olaftab on May 18, 2023, 06:53:13 AM
Quote from: Clampy on May 17, 2023, 12:58:57 PM
Quote from: eamonn on May 17, 2023, 12:38:42 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on May 17, 2023, 12:19:30 PM
Do we have anyone ‘ in the know ‘ here ? 
Off the top of the head but some are from other Villa fan platforms...
VinnieChase84
MysteryMan
VillaWhispers
TheTrees
Feargal Sharkey
A good ITK these days is hard to find.
So please be gentle with these posts of Footy
ITK 
Journos Gregg Evans, Ashley Preece, John Percy, Tom Collomosse.
Sky Sports:Dharmesh Sheth, Kaveh Solheko and Rob Dorsett, 
BBC WM radio: Mark Regan
TalkSport: Villa contacts and news Jim White and Alex Crook, Gabby Agbonlahor.

In the know is only those the club or agent choose to use to spread info…those 2 from Sky Sports really aren’t…certainly not outside of London clubs

As for the locals you can tell they aren’t exclusive, they are embargoed…for instance there may be one bit of info they are given in todays press conference that is embargoed till 10.30pm where all the local journos will tweet it.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on May 18, 2023, 04:38:07 PM
			

			

				Jimmy White the snooker player is more ITK than Jim White. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 18, 2023, 04:45:09 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clampy on May 18, 2023, 04:38:07 PM
Jimmy White the snooker player is more ITK than Jim White.

The only thing I know about Jimmy White (before my time) is that he lost, what, 7 world title finals? What I don't know is, did he bottle many of them? Or was he always just outplayed?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 18, 2023, 04:58:27 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on May 18, 2023, 04:45:09 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 18, 2023, 04:38:07 PM
Jimmy White the snooker player is more ITK than Jim White.

The only thing I know about Jimmy White (before my time) is that he lost, what, 7 world title finals? What I don't know is, did he bottle many of them? Or was he always just outplayed?

Main reason is he liked to party. A lot. It's actually quite an achievement he did what he did considering he was reaching world finals, winning other titles while rarely practicing and being out at clubs during tournaments, addicted to crack etc. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on May 18, 2023, 05:13:52 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clampy on May 18, 2023, 04:38:07 PM
Jimmy White the snooker player is more ITK than Jim White. 

Barry White saved my life
And if Barry White saved your life
Or got you back with your ex-wife
Sing Barry White(Barry White)
It's alright...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Lsvilla on May 18, 2023, 05:18:46 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on May 18, 2023, 04:45:09 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 18, 2023, 04:38:07 PM
Jimmy White the snooker player is more ITK than Jim White.

The only thing I know about Jimmy White (before my time) is that he lost, what, 7 world title finals? What I don't know is, did he bottle many of them? Or was he always just outplayed?
Hasn't he just won the world seniors three years running - or something like that. Not sure who the competition are but if he's eased off on the partying he's probably found winning a lot easier. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on May 18, 2023, 05:38:10 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on May 18, 2023, 05:13:52 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 18, 2023, 04:38:07 PM
Jimmy White the snooker player is more ITK than Jim White. 

Barry White saved my life
And if Barry White saved your life
Or got you back with your ex-wife
Sing Barry White(Barry White)
It's alright...

I saw them in Digbeth a while back. Huey Morgan had broken his leg or something so he was sat down for the entire show telling us he was on painkillers and alcohol. He was wrecked. It was marvellous. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on May 18, 2023, 05:54:58 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV82EC on May 18, 2023, 03:20:03 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on May 18, 2023, 03:18:37 PM
Quote from: olaftab on May 18, 2023, 06:53:13 AM
Quote from: Clampy on May 17, 2023, 12:58:57 PM
Quote from: eamonn on May 17, 2023, 12:38:42 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on May 17, 2023, 12:19:30 PM
Do we have anyone ‘ in the know ‘ here ? 
Off the top of the head but some are from other Villa fan platforms...
VinnieChase84
MysteryMan
VillaWhispers
TheTrees
Feargal Sharkey
A good ITK these days is hard to find.
So please be gentle with these posts of Footy
ITK 
Journos Gregg Evans, Ashley Preece, John Percy, Tom Collomosse.
Sky Sports:Dharmesh Sheth, Kaveh Solheko and Rob Dorsett, 
BBC WM radio: Mark Regan
TalkSport: Villa contacts and news Jim White and Alex Crook, Gabby Agbonlahor.

If that’s ITK then there is no hope.

Well no fear, they aren't. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dave shelley on May 18, 2023, 06:12:02 PM
			

			

				I may have posted this before I can't remember but a bit of uninteresting trivia about Jimmy White.  He was over here doing a tour playing exhibition matces etc, fell ill and he had his appendix removed in the hospital in our little town.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 18, 2023, 06:25:39 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: dave shelley on May 18, 2023, 06:12:02 PM
I may have posted this before I can't remember but a bit of uninteresting trivia about Jimmy White.  He was over here doing a tour playing exhibition matces etc, fell ill and he had his appendix removed in the hospital in our little town.

And survived.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: N'ZMAV on May 18, 2023, 06:32:08 PM
			

			

				I only really trust what Percy writes. The rest are pretty good at guessing occasionally. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on May 18, 2023, 06:41:09 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Gareth on May 18, 2023, 04:23:02 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on May 18, 2023, 03:18:37 PM
Quote from: olaftab on May 18, 2023, 06:53:13 AM
Quote from: Clampy on May 17, 2023, 12:58:57 PM
Quote from: eamonn on May 17, 2023, 12:38:42 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on May 17, 2023, 12:19:30 PM
Do we have anyone ‘ in the know ‘ here ? 
Off the top of the head but some are from other Villa fan platforms...
VinnieChase84
MysteryMan
VillaWhispers
TheTrees
Feargal Sharkey
A good ITK these days is hard to find.
So please be gentle with these posts of Footy
ITK 
Journos Gregg Evans, Ashley Preece, John Percy, Tom Collomosse.
Sky Sports:Dharmesh Sheth, Kaveh Solheko and Rob Dorsett, 
BBC WM radio: Mark Regan
TalkSport: Villa contacts and news Jim White and Alex Crook, Gabby Agbonlahor.

In the know is only those the club or agent choose to use to spread info…those 2 from Sky Sports really aren’t…certainly not outside of London clubs

As for the locals you can tell they aren’t exclusive, they are embargoed…for instance there may be one bit of info they are given in todays press conference that is embargoed till 10.30pm where all the local journos will tweet it.
Ah this is great information and a bit ITK in itself! 
OK so that's interesting.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on May 18, 2023, 06:52:38 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clampy on May 18, 2023, 04:38:07 PM
Jimmy White the snooker player is more ITK than Jim White. 
Well I don't know anything at all about the snooker or snooker fellow but I am made to know that:

Jim White does have associations with Aston Villa. He hosts kit debuts and award ceremonies. 
He receives invitations and occasionally attends games, where he will listen to the business folk at Villa. He has a fantastic reputation within non playing side of Premier League football. And most certainly has a source in the Club's non-playing side, White truly has a soft spot for Villa but doesn't make it a major thing.
He is a dependable media source for the club when they want to release information, in Jim's words, "that is my understanding"


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dave shelley on May 18, 2023, 07:08:22 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on May 18, 2023, 06:25:39 PM
Quote from: dave shelley on May 18, 2023, 06:12:02 PM
I may have posted this before I can't remember but a bit of uninteresting trivia about Jimmy White.  He was over here doing a tour playing exhibition matces etc, fell ill and he had his appendix removed in the hospital in our little town.

And survived.

My Mrs nearly didn't after having hers removed there.  Locum surgeon.  She was opened up twice more after the original op, safe to say they got rid of said bloke fairly sharpish as there were other issues with him.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on May 18, 2023, 07:08:45 PM
			

			

				He's full of shit mate
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 18, 2023, 07:21:30 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: dave shelley on May 18, 2023, 07:08:22 PM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on May 18, 2023, 06:25:39 PM
Quote from: dave shelley on May 18, 2023, 06:12:02 PM
I may have posted this before I can't remember but a bit of uninteresting trivia about Jimmy White.  He was over here doing a tour playing exhibition matces etc, fell ill and he had his appendix removed in the hospital in our little town.

And survived.

My Mrs nearly didn't after having hers removed there.  Locum surgeon.  She was opened up twice more after the original op, safe to say they got rid of said bloke fairly sharpish as there were other issues with him.  

Yikes. Glad it all turned out okay in the end but it could be a bit iffy back in the day. I spent 3 weeks there when I was 10 after I burned my right hand quite badly and it got infected.  My Mom only told me afterwards that they had seriously considered amputating the two middle fingers. Even as a heavy metal fan I was glad they didn't.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on May 18, 2023, 08:36:14 PM
			

			

				If we do manage to enter a European competition next season, I believe 5 or 6 additional players will be required to deal with all of the games and develop the squad.
West Ham have won more European games than they have in the Premier League.
And the cost of'success' for Brighton has resulted in a backlog of games for which they lack the squad.

Emery knows how to utilise a squad, so I expect a great deal of transfer activity and even more players depending on whether or not we receive European football.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 18, 2023, 08:41:58 PM
			

			

				Right now, Europe would be great but I'm not turning my nose up to some domestic cup success next season. Either way we'll need a stronger squad.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 18, 2023, 08:56:52 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on May 18, 2023, 03:18:37 PM
Quote from: olaftab on May 18, 2023, 06:53:13 AM
Quote from: Clampy on May 17, 2023, 12:58:57 PM
Quote from: eamonn on May 17, 2023, 12:38:42 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on May 17, 2023, 12:19:30 PM
Do we have anyone ‘ in the know ‘ here ? 
Off the top of the head but some are from other Villa fan platforms...
VinnieChase84
MysteryMan
VillaWhispers
TheTrees
Feargal Sharkey
A good ITK these days is hard to find.
So please be gentle with these posts of Footy
ITK 
Journos Gregg Evans, Ashley Preece, John Percy, Tom Collomosse.
Sky Sports:Dharmesh Sheth, Kaveh Solheko and Rob Dorsett, 
BBC WM radio: Mark Regan
TalkSport: Villa contacts and news Jim White and Alex Crook, Gabby Agbonlahor.

Biggest bag of scrap you’ve ever posted, among endless competition. Well done.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 18, 2023, 09:01:12 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: dave shelley on May 18, 2023, 07:08:22 PM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on May 18, 2023, 06:25:39 PM
Quote from: dave shelley on May 18, 2023, 06:12:02 PM
I may have posted this before I can't remember but a bit of uninteresting trivia about Jimmy White.  He was over here doing a tour playing exhibition matces etc, fell ill and he had his appendix removed in the hospital in our little town.

And survived.

My Mrs nearly didn't after having hers removed there.  Locum surgeon.  She was opened up twice more after the original op, safe to say they got rid of said bloke fairly sharpish as there were other issues with him. 

They found a bloke in there?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dave shelley on May 18, 2023, 09:04:35 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on May 18, 2023, 09:01:12 PM
Quote from: dave shelley on May 18, 2023, 07:08:22 PM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on May 18, 2023, 06:25:39 PM
Quote from: dave shelley on May 18, 2023, 06:12:02 PM
I may have posted this before I can't remember but a bit of uninteresting trivia about Jimmy White.  He was over here doing a tour playing exhibition matces etc, fell ill and he had his appendix removed in the hospital in our little town.

And survived.

My Mrs nearly didn't after having hers removed there.  Locum surgeon.  She was opened up twice more after the original op, safe to say they got rid of said bloke fairly sharpish as there were other issues with him. 

They found a bloke in there?

It was a bit of me Perce.   ;)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on May 18, 2023, 09:07:48 PM
			

			

				Prediction: Even without a European football, I believe we will spend at least £150 million.

Fact: West Ham spent over £160 million in the summer, including record moves and the signings of an international Moroccan defender, an international Brazilian midfielder and an international Italian striker, all of whom cost £30 million or more. They also signed 2 PSG players. 


This sort of business is going to be done by Villa in the summer 
With Emery and Almery, I believe we'll be looking at some big outlays that meet release clauses as well as perhaps a shrewd free transfers or two. 
There could well be general big money signings but I suspect be looking at a willingness to meet release clauses and paying for high end out of contract players. Other clubs won't or can't match us.





			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on May 18, 2023, 09:11:33 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on May 18, 2023, 09:07:48 PM
With Emery and Almery, I believe we'll be looking at some big outlays that meet release clauses as well as perhaps a shrewd free transfers or two. 

I'd check the latest on that if I were you. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 18, 2023, 10:15:36 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: dave shelley on May 18, 2023, 09:04:35 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on May 18, 2023, 09:01:12 PM
Quote from: dave shelley on May 18, 2023, 07:08:22 PM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on May 18, 2023, 06:25:39 PM
Quote from: dave shelley on May 18, 2023, 06:12:02 PM
I may have posted this before I can't remember but a bit of uninteresting trivia about Jimmy White.  He was over here doing a tour playing exhibition matces etc, fell ill and he had his appendix removed in the hospital in our little town.

And survived.

My Mrs nearly didn't after having hers removed there.  Locum surgeon.  She was opened up twice more after the original op, safe to say they got rid of said bloke fairly sharpish as there were other issues with him. 

They found a bloke in there?

It was a bit of me Perce.   ;)

Haha, brilliant Dave.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 18, 2023, 10:19:03 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on May 18, 2023, 09:11:33 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on May 18, 2023, 09:07:48 PM
With Emery and Almery, I believe we'll be looking at some big outlays that meet release clauses as well as perhaps a shrewd free transfers or two. 

I'd check the latest on that if I were you.

Yet another example of the imaginary and legendary foresight and expertise he endlessly drones on about. 

Perhaps his ‘in the knows’ didn’t erm… know.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on May 19, 2023, 12:11:08 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on May 18, 2023, 03:18:37 PM
Quote from: olaftab on May 18, 2023, 06:53:13 AM
Quote from: Clampy on May 17, 2023, 12:58:57 PM
Quote from: eamonn on May 17, 2023, 12:38:42 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on May 17, 2023, 12:19:30 PM
Do we have anyone ‘ in the know ‘ here ? 
Off the top of the head but some are from other Villa fan platforms...
VinnieChase84
MysteryMan
VillaWhispers
TheTrees
Feargal Sharkey
A good ITK these days is hard to find.
So please be gentle with these posts of Footy
ITK 
Journos Gregg Evans, Ashley Preece, John Percy, Tom Collomosse.
Sky Sports:Dharmesh Sheth, Kaveh Solheko and Rob Dorsett, 
BBC WM radio: Mark Regan
TalkSport: Villa contacts and news Jim White and Alex Crook, Gabby Agbonlahor.

Got some bad news for you about Radio WM and Rego.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on May 19, 2023, 12:40:26 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on May 18, 2023, 09:07:48 PM

With Emery and Almery, I believe we'll be looking at some big outlays that meet release clauses as well as perhaps a shrewd free transfers or two. 
There could well be general big money signings but I suspect be looking at a willingness to meet release clauses and paying for high end out of contract players. Other clubs won't or can't match us.

So basically you think that any literal possible transfer situation may occur? Incredible insight, please lay more on us
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 19, 2023, 12:58:22 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 18, 2023, 04:58:27 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on May 18, 2023, 04:45:09 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 18, 2023, 04:38:07 PM
Jimmy White the snooker player is more ITK than Jim White.

The only thing I know about Jimmy White (before my time) is that he lost, what, 7 world title finals? What I don't know is, did he bottle many of them? Or was he always just outplayed?

Main reason is he liked to party. A lot. It's actually quite an achievement he did what he did considering he was reaching world finals, winning other titles while rarely practicing and being out at clubs during tournaments, addicted to crack etc.

Ah right, cheers for the insight. My little knowledge of historical snooker players only had Alex Higgins and Bill Werbeniuk as party people. Although I guess back then loads of them enjoyed themselves.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 19, 2023, 01:14:44 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on May 19, 2023, 12:58:22 AM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 18, 2023, 04:58:27 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on May 18, 2023, 04:45:09 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 18, 2023, 04:38:07 PM
Jimmy White the snooker player is more ITK than Jim White.

The only thing I know about Jimmy White (before my time) is that he lost, what, 7 world title finals? What I don't know is, did he bottle many of them? Or was he always just outplayed?

Main reason is he liked to party. A lot. It's actually quite an achievement he did what he did considering he was reaching world finals, winning other titles while rarely practicing and being out at clubs during tournaments, addicted to crack etc.

Ah right, cheers for the insight. My little knowledge of historical snooker players only had Alex Higgins and Bill Werbeniuk as party people. Although I guess back then loads of them enjoyed themselves.

I think a few of the first wave of snooker 'superstars' that came up throughout the late 70s/80s were partial to a crack pipe, and Bolivian produce more broadly.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 19, 2023, 01:35:37 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on May 19, 2023, 01:14:44 AM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on May 19, 2023, 12:58:22 AM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 18, 2023, 04:58:27 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on May 18, 2023, 04:45:09 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 18, 2023, 04:38:07 PM
Jimmy White the snooker player is more ITK than Jim White.

The only thing I know about Jimmy White (before my time) is that he lost, what, 7 world title finals? What I don't know is, did he bottle many of them? Or was he always just outplayed?

Main reason is he liked to party. A lot. It's actually quite an achievement he did what he did considering he was reaching world finals, winning other titles while rarely practicing and being out at clubs during tournaments, addicted to crack etc.

Ah right, cheers for the insight. My little knowledge of historical snooker players only had Alex Higgins and Bill Werbeniuk as party people. Although I guess back then loads of them enjoyed themselves.

I think a few of the first wave of snooker 'superstars' that came up throughout the late 70s/80s were partial to a crack pipe, and Bolivian produce more broadly.

To be fair to them, it is fucking boring*

*and I used to play a lot in my teens... smacked off Dr Pep.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: CT Villan on May 19, 2023, 01:36:44 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on May 18, 2023, 09:07:48 PM
Emery and Almery, 
 
By any chance do they live together in perfect harmony ?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Jimsta on May 19, 2023, 05:03:17 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on May 19, 2023, 01:14:44 AM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on May 19, 2023, 12:58:22 AM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 18, 2023, 04:58:27 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on May 18, 2023, 04:45:09 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 18, 2023, 04:38:07 PM
Jimmy White the snooker player is more ITK than Jim White.

The only thing I know about Jimmy White (before my time) is that he lost, what, 7 world title finals? What I don't know is, did he bottle many of them? Or was he always just outplayed?

Main reason is he liked to party. A lot. It's actually quite an achievement he did what he did considering he was reaching world finals, winning other titles while rarely practicing and being out at clubs during tournaments, addicted to crack etc.

Ah right, cheers for the insight. My little knowledge of historical snooker players only had Alex Higgins and Bill Werbeniuk as party people. Although I guess back then loads of them enjoyed themselves.

I think a few of the first wave of snooker 'superstars' that came up throughout the late 70s/80s were partial to a crack pipe, and Bolivian produce more broadly.
Just like to add also that Jmmy White is a bit of a party animal, He spends a lot of time now in Thailand in a place called Pattaya which has a nickname Sin city.
He plays alot in tournaments or shows in Bangkok or Pattaya.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on May 19, 2023, 06:06:06 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on May 19, 2023, 01:35:37 AM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on May 19, 2023, 01:14:44 AM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on May 19, 2023, 12:58:22 AM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 18, 2023, 04:58:27 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on May 18, 2023, 04:45:09 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 18, 2023, 04:38:07 PM
Jimmy White the snooker player is more ITK than Jim White.

The only thing I know about Jimmy White (before my time) is that he lost, what, 7 world title finals? What I don't know is, did he bottle many of them? Or was he always just outplayed?

Main reason is he liked to party. A lot. It's actually quite an achievement he did what he did considering he was reaching world finals, winning other titles while rarely practicing and being out at clubs during tournaments, addicted to crack etc.

Ah right, cheers for the insight. My little knowledge of historical snooker players only had Alex Higgins and Bill Werbeniuk as party people. Although I guess back then loads of them enjoyed themselves.

I think a few of the first wave of snooker 'superstars' that came up throughout the late 70s/80s were partial to a crack pipe, and Bolivian produce more broadly.

To be fair to them, it is fucking boring*

*and I used to play a lot in my teens... smacked off Dr Pep.
Yes   I can understand needing to find some relief from the sheer drudgery of playing snooker all day.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on May 19, 2023, 07:19:59 AM
			

			

				This thread has taken a dark twist. 😳
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on May 19, 2023, 08:09:20 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: CT Villan on May 19, 2023, 01:36:44 AM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on May 18, 2023, 09:07:48 PM
Emery and Almery, 
 
By any chance do they live together in perfect harmony ?

Bravo Sir!!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 19, 2023, 10:25:21 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 19, 2023, 12:11:08 AM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on May 18, 2023, 03:18:37 PM
Quote from: olaftab on May 18, 2023, 06:53:13 AM
Quote from: Clampy on May 17, 2023, 12:58:57 PM
Quote from: eamonn on May 17, 2023, 12:38:42 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on May 17, 2023, 12:19:30 PM
Do we have anyone ‘ in the know ‘ here ? 
Off the top of the head but some are from other Villa fan platforms...
VinnieChase84
MysteryMan
VillaWhispers
TheTrees
Feargal Sharkey
A good ITK these days is hard to find.
So please be gentle with these posts of Footy
ITK 
Journos Gregg Evans, Ashley Preece, John Percy, Tom Collomosse.
Sky Sports:Dharmesh Sheth, Kaveh Solheko and Rob Dorsett, 
BBC WM radio: Mark Regan
TalkSport: Villa contacts and news Jim White and Alex Crook, Gabby Agbonlahor.

Got some bad news for you about Radio WM and Rego.'

And Ashley Preece. I can’t quite believe that Foresight Footy didn’t foresee Ash sacking the Villa off to go back to the news desk, and even more amazingly, didn’t even know about it after it was announced. Say it ain’t so oh wise one!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on May 19, 2023, 10:30:03 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on May 19, 2023, 10:25:21 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 19, 2023, 12:11:08 AM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on May 18, 2023, 03:18:37 PM
Quote from: olaftab on May 18, 2023, 06:53:13 AM
Quote from: Clampy on May 17, 2023, 12:58:57 PM
Quote from: eamonn on May 17, 2023, 12:38:42 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on May 17, 2023, 12:19:30 PM
Do we have anyone ‘ in the know ‘ here ? 
Off the top of the head but some are from other Villa fan platforms...
VinnieChase84
MysteryMan
VillaWhispers
TheTrees
Feargal Sharkey
A good ITK these days is hard to find.
So please be gentle with these posts of Footy
ITK 
Journos Gregg Evans, Ashley Preece, John Percy, Tom Collomosse.
Sky Sports:Dharmesh Sheth, Kaveh Solheko and Rob Dorsett, 
BBC WM radio: Mark Regan
TalkSport: Villa contacts and news Jim White and Alex Crook, Gabby Agbonlahor.

Got some bad news for you about Radio WM and Rego.'

And Ashley Preece.

Ashley Preece said himself that he had no ITK contacts whatsoever and that the weekly manager’s press conference was the only time he got to speak to anyone at the club. 

He’s that ITK he reassured everyone that Grealish was staying, less than a week before he signed for City. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SoccerHQ on May 19, 2023, 11:17:27 AM
			

			

				John Percy is still active isn't he? Basically last decade I can think of very few transfer links he hasn't confirmed unless it's a Delph case of changing your mind at very last minute.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rigadon on May 19, 2023, 11:20:41 AM
			

			

				Liverpool are ‘tipped to launch a stunning raid’ for Jacob Ramsey according to something called ‘Teamtalk’. £50m apparently. Because they can’t afford Bellingham.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 19, 2023, 11:23:15 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rigadon on May 19, 2023, 11:20:41 AM
Liverpool are ‘tipped to launch a stunning raid’ for Jacob Ramsey according to something called ‘Teamtalk’. £50m apparently. Because they can’t afford Bellingham.  

I'll get worried when we are "braced for a bid" as I've heard no mention of Liverpool's "transfer war chest".
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on May 19, 2023, 11:26:55 AM
			

			

				£50m wouldn't buy his second favourite coffee spoon.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on May 19, 2023, 11:47:47 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Marlon From Bearwood on May 19, 2023, 10:30:03 AM
Ashley Preece said himself that he had no ITK contacts whatsoever and that the weekly manager’s press conference was the only time he got to speak to anyone at the club. 

He’s that ITK he reassured everyone that Grealish was staying, less than a week before he signed for City. 

Any local reporter (or regional reporter for a national) will be the same. Anything they put out will be either opinion/speculation or something the club has approved. They're not ITK, they're being fed info that suits the club. They'll do it because they rely on the goodwill of the staff at the club. They may sometimes get a bit of news from a different source and might run with it but generally they'll check in with the club first.

Romano is the closest thing to a genuine ITK in the press because he pretty clearly has the ear of a lot of the big agencies and gets fed info from them but again it's still very much about him being given the info that club/player/agent wants to make public.

True ITK is stuff like the guy who used to post about booking in medicals and is pretty rare because it's hard to keep yourself 'secret' for long if you're giving out info like that.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 19, 2023, 01:41:20 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on May 18, 2023, 10:19:03 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 18, 2023, 09:11:33 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on May 18, 2023, 09:07:48 PM
With Emery and Almery, I believe we'll be looking at some big outlays that meet release clauses as well as perhaps a shrewd free transfers or two. 

I'd check the latest on that if I were you.

Yet another example of the imaginary and legendary foresight and expertise he endlessly drones on about. 

Perhaps his ‘in the knows’ didn’t erm… know.


Maybe he's a big Paul McCartney (featuring Stevie Wonder) fan. Paul, not Stevie. Wouldn't surprise me. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bad English on May 19, 2023, 02:00:49 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: SoccerHQ on May 19, 2023, 11:17:27 AM
John Percy is still active...
'JPA' for short
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 19, 2023, 03:03:29 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on May 19, 2023, 01:41:20 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on May 18, 2023, 10:19:03 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 18, 2023, 09:11:33 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on May 18, 2023, 09:07:48 PM
With Emery and Almery, I believe we'll be looking at some big outlays that meet release clauses as well as perhaps a shrewd free transfers or two. 

I'd check the latest on that if I were you.

Yet another example of the imaginary and legendary foresight and expertise he endlessly drones on about. 

Perhaps his ‘in the knows’ didn’t erm… know.


Maybe he's a big Paul McCartney (featuring Steven Wonder) fan. Paul, not Steven. Wouldn't surprise me.

You’ve lost me.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on May 19, 2023, 04:11:47 PM
			

			

				Even if Almery comes in later in the summer I do think some big moves will be made.
Be interesting if there's been a conflict on what transfers Villa and Barca want and there has been a gentleman's agreement so for now I can see Almery staying at Barca.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on May 19, 2023, 04:13:42 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on May 19, 2023, 04:11:47 PM
Even if Almery comes in later in the summer I do think some big moves will be made.
so for now I can see Almery staying at Barca.

What it the fact that Emery said he wasn't coming that gave it away?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on May 19, 2023, 04:14:34 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on May 19, 2023, 03:03:29 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on May 19, 2023, 01:41:20 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on May 18, 2023, 10:19:03 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 18, 2023, 09:11:33 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on May 18, 2023, 09:07:48 PM
With Emery and Almery, I believe we'll be looking at some big outlays that meet release clauses as well as perhaps a shrewd free transfers or two. 

I'd check the latest on that if I were you.

Yet another example of the imaginary and legendary foresight and expertise he endlessly drones on about. 

Perhaps his ‘in the knows’ didn’t erm… know.


Maybe he's a big Paul McCartney (featuring Steven Wonder) fan. Paul, not Steven. Wouldn't surprise me.

You’ve lost me.

Emery and Almery, living together in perfect harmony, side by side on a piano....
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on May 19, 2023, 04:18:51 PM
			

			

				Who the eff is Almery anyway?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 19, 2023, 04:24:14 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on May 19, 2023, 03:03:29 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on May 19, 2023, 01:41:20 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on May 18, 2023, 10:19:03 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 18, 2023, 09:11:33 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on May 18, 2023, 09:07:48 PM
With Emery and Almery, I believe we'll be looking at some big outlays that meet release clauses as well as perhaps a shrewd free transfers or two. 

I'd check the latest on that if I were you.

Yet another example of the imaginary and legendary foresight and expertise he endlessly drones on about. 

Perhaps his ‘in the knows’ didn’t erm… know.


Maybe he's a big Paul McCartney (featuring Steven Wonder) fan. Paul, not Steven. Wouldn't surprise me.

You’ve lost me.

See above, CT beat me too it.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on May 19, 2023, 04:37:54 PM
			

			

				Ebony and Ivory live together in perfect harmony.  Steve Wonder and Paul McCartney. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on May 19, 2023, 04:45:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on May 19, 2023, 04:18:51 PM
Who the eff is Almery anyway?
This guy, isn't it?

(https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/5d01c2be2500004e12e11740.jpeg)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on May 19, 2023, 04:54:12 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: SoccerHQ on May 19, 2023, 11:17:27 AM
John Percy is still active isn't he? Basically last decade I can think of very few transfer links he hasn't confirmed unless it's a Delph case of changing your mind at very last minute.

Still active?! Did you think he'd been murdered or something?!
Percy does his work diligently every day and deserves respect, not demise-rumours  >:(
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on May 19, 2023, 05:19:23 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on May 19, 2023, 03:03:29 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on May 19, 2023, 01:41:20 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on May 18, 2023, 10:19:03 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 18, 2023, 09:11:33 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on May 18, 2023, 09:07:48 PM
With Emery and Almery, I believe we'll be looking at some big outlays that meet release clauses as well as perhaps a shrewd free transfers or two. 

I'd check the latest on that if I were you.

Yet another example of the imaginary and legendary foresight and expertise he endlessly drones on about. 

Perhaps his ‘in the knows’ didn’t erm… know.


Maybe he's a big Paul McCartney (featuring Steven Wonder) fan. Paul, not Steven. Wouldn't surprise me.

You’ve lost me.

Ebony and Ivory reference.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on May 19, 2023, 07:10:44 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on May 19, 2023, 04:54:12 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on May 19, 2023, 11:17:27 AM
John Percy is still active isn't he? Basically last decade I can think of very few transfer links he hasn't confirmed unless it's a Delph case of changing your mind at very last minute.

Still active?! Did you think he'd been murdered or something?!
Percy does his work diligently every day and deserves respect, not demise-rumours  >:(

I think Jim White does as well but seems to be ridiculed or dismissed by many on here.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 19, 2023, 07:13:48 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on May 19, 2023, 05:19:23 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on May 19, 2023, 03:03:29 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on May 19, 2023, 01:41:20 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on May 18, 2023, 10:19:03 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 18, 2023, 09:11:33 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on May 18, 2023, 09:07:48 PM
With Emery and Almery, I believe we'll be looking at some big outlays that meet release clauses as well as perhaps a shrewd free transfers or two. 

I'd check the latest on that if I were you.

Yet another example of the imaginary and legendary foresight and expertise he endlessly drones on about. 

Perhaps his ‘in the knows’ didn’t erm… know.


Maybe he's a big Paul McCartney (featuring Steven Wonder) fan. Paul, not Steven. Wouldn't surprise me.

You’ve lost me.

Ebony and Ivory reference.

So glad we got that sorted out.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on May 19, 2023, 09:20:45 PM
			

			

				I think we have further established links with MLS with the news Heck has come in and dont forget there is summer series which conviently starts in 
Philadelphia. Chris Heck has contacts in this area as he was with the 76ers so we could see a Union player come in. 

My prediction:
Andre Blake the Jamaican international goal keeper would be a decent signing as a back up. Named as goal keeper of the season and made the best 11 of the league.

Dont forger we signed Duran from the fire then there is evidence to suggest that we could be looking for some players in MLS for value


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on May 19, 2023, 10:16:19 PM
			

			

				But Heck is nothing to do with signing players, he is here to improve our commercial revenue.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on May 19, 2023, 10:18:32 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on May 19, 2023, 10:16:19 PM
But Heck is nothing to do with signing players, he is here to improve our commercial revenue.
Don’t let facts get in the way of bullshit.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on May 19, 2023, 10:34:05 PM
			

			

				Surely Wes Edens basketball ownership will see us sign am NBA star for the No. 2 goalie position? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on May 19, 2023, 10:42:14 PM
			

			

				Of the ITKs mentioned, I think Percy almost certainly has contacts within Villa.  

Romano is a tap-in merchant, so if he says something, it's almost certainly a done deal.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 19, 2023, 10:55:00 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on May 19, 2023, 10:34:05 PM
Surely Wes Edens basketball ownership will see us sign am NBA star for the No. 2 goalie position?

By far the most realistic prediction on this page.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 19, 2023, 10:55:34 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on May 19, 2023, 09:20:45 PM
I think we have further established links with MLS with the news Heck has come in and dont forget there is summer series which conviently starts in 
Philadelphia. Chris Heck has contacts in this area as he was with the 76ers so we could see a Union player come in. 

My prediction:
Andre Blake the Jamaican international goal keeper would be a decent signing as a back up. Named as goal keeper of the season and made the best 11 of the league.

Dont forger we signed Duran from the fire then there is evidence to suggest that we could be looking for some players in MLS for value

I reckon it’s a clear sign we’re going to sign some basketball players. 

Does this torrent of nonsense ever stop?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on May 19, 2023, 11:52:56 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 19, 2023, 10:55:34 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on May 19, 2023, 09:20:45 PM
I think we have further established links with MLS with the news Heck has come in and dont forget there is summer series which conviently starts in 
Philadelphia. Chris Heck has contacts in this area as he was with the 76ers so we could see a Union player come in. 

My prediction:
Andre Blake the Jamaican international goal keeper would be a decent signing as a back up. Named as goal keeper of the season and made the best 11 of the league.

Dont forger we signed Duran from the fire then there is evidence to suggest that we could be looking for some players in MLS for value

I reckon it’s a clear sign we’re going to sign some basketball players. 

Does this torrent of nonsense ever stop?
I don't know what's your gripe P'nuts but you're the one saying another sport which is far more nonsensical!
So if I had said we were to sign an MLS striker who speaks Spanish that's hardly nonsense is it as it happened!

Anyway move on if don't want to take it seriously.
I was afraid that people would not take the Americas seriously, but I can see the ownership of Villa wanting to enter that market, and the introduction of the Vegas club and the over all V sports business model well its clearly going to be a sort of link up, in my opinion. 

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 20, 2023, 12:31:24 AM
			

			

				I think we're witnessing Footy GPT since his comeback. Very sophisticated AI.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 20, 2023, 02:23:36 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on May 20, 2023, 12:31:24 AM
I think we're witnessing Footy GPT since his comeback. Very sophisticated AI.

Forget it..
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: CT Villan on May 20, 2023, 03:03:33 AM
			

			

				Footy is the Yogi Berra of H&V...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: JD on May 20, 2023, 05:01:59 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: CT Villan on May 20, 2023, 03:03:33 AM
Footy is the Yogi Berra 
Quote from: CT Villan on May 20, 2023, 03:03:33 AM
Footy is the Yogi Berra of H&V...

Who's Boo-Boo then?

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: rob_bridge on May 20, 2023, 06:10:04 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: JD on May 20, 2023, 05:01:59 AM
Quote from: CT Villan on May 20, 2023, 03:03:33 AM
Footy is the Yogi Berra 
Quote from: CT Villan on May 20, 2023, 03:03:33 AM
Footy is the Yogi Berra of H&V...

Who's Boo-Boo then?

What's Spanish for Amigo?

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 20, 2023, 09:34:27 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on May 19, 2023, 10:34:05 PM
Surely Wes Edens basketball ownership will see us sign am NBA star for the No. 2 goalie position? 

Like it, it would improve our chances of getting 3 points.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 20, 2023, 09:35:26 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: CT Villan on May 20, 2023, 03:03:33 AM
Footy is the Yogi Berra of H&V...

Certainly feels like it's déjà vu all over again.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on May 20, 2023, 01:14:04 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: CT Villan on May 20, 2023, 03:03:33 AM
Footy is the Yogi Berra of H&V...

Christophe’s brother?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 20, 2023, 02:49:02 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on May 20, 2023, 12:31:24 AM
I think we're witnessing Footy GPT since his comeback. Very sophisticated AI.

If that's the case, those people that fear AI will eliminate their jobs will be sleeping a bit easier.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 20, 2023, 08:05:31 PM
			

			

				A Real Madrid (fans) site reckons we're in for Dani Ceballos as well as Asensio.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Londonvilla on May 21, 2023, 01:03:36 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on May 20, 2023, 08:05:31 PM
A Real Madrid (fans) site reckons we're in for Dani Ceballos as well as Asensio.

REAL MADRID NEWS Aston Villa interested in Real Madrid duo, have sent an ‘important offer’ to one player

https://madriduniversal.com/aston-villa-interested-in-real-madrid-duo-have-sent-an-important-offer-for-one-player/

In a major update, Santi Aouna of Foot Mercato is reporting that Aston Villa are pushing to sign Real Madrid duo Dani Ceballos and Marco Asensio, both of whom will be free agents in the summer.

Both Asensio and Ceballos see their current contracts expire on June 30, following which they would become free agents and can sign for any club of their desire.

However, the duo has been in negotiations with Real Madrid over a new deal, but there has been no agreement reached as of yet.

Aston Villa’s interest in Asensio is not new and reports had emerged earlier this week that Unai Emery was keen on recruiting the 27-year-old winger.

However, the Spanish international, as per the update from Santi Aouna, has doubts about a possible transfer to Birmingham and is currently prioritising renewing his contract with the Spanish capital outfit.

As for Ceballos, the report indicates that Aston Villa have already sent in a ‘very important offer’ for the midfielder. The 26-year-old has doubts about his continuity at Real Madrid due to his limited role in the side.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: KevinGage on May 21, 2023, 11:05:41 AM
			

			

				Stats don't tell the whole story, obv. But for an attacking midfielder three assists and no goals for Dani Ceballos this season doesn't look great - particularly with the amount of soft touch sides in Spain. 

He managed the grand total of zero goals in 50 odd games for Arsenal back in 2019-21 during his last stint back in England n'all. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on May 21, 2023, 11:12:21 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: KevinGage on May 21, 2023, 11:05:41 AM
Stats don't tell the whole story, obv. But for an attacking midfielder three assists and no goals for Dani Ceballos this season doesn't look great - particularly with the amount of soft touch sides in Spain. 

He managed the grand total of zero goals in 50 odd games for Arsenal back in 2019-21 during his last stint back in England n'all. 

At Arsenal he played more as one of the defensive midfielders alonside Xhaka though.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Hookeysmith on May 21, 2023, 11:30:31 AM
			

			

				Don't know much about players outside the Premier but the clips I have seen of Asensio he looks a real exciting player and clear upgrade over Bailey
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Nii Lamptey on May 21, 2023, 11:32:27 AM
			

			

				Number one priorities, a right-sided version of Alex Moreno, and at least one top drawer forward.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: KevinGage on May 21, 2023, 11:54:42 AM
			

			

				Stefan De Vrij at Inter Milan (tenous links with us kicking about last season) is out of contract this summer. 

Serge Aurier at Forest only signed a deal until the end of June with them. Might be good back up option to fight it out with Cash and Liccul Ashley. Bellerin and Cederic Soares also available and have previous under Emery. Not that we're shopping exclusively in that market, ofc. 

But would mean more darts available for the game changing number 10 or Bailey replacement. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on May 21, 2023, 12:30:46 PM
			

			

				Why are Sky so convinced Martinez is leaving?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Richard on May 21, 2023, 12:35:15 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: KevinGage on May 21, 2023, 11:54:42 AM
Stefan De Vrij at Inter Milan (tenous links with us kicking about last season) is out of contract this summer. 

Serge Aurier at Forest only signed a deal until the end of June with them. Might be good back up option to fight it out with Cash and Liccul Ashley. Bellerin and Cederic Soares also available and have previous under Emery. Not that we're shopping exclusively in that market, ofc. 

But would mean more darts available for the game changing number 10 or Bailey replacement. 

Thats a dog shit collection of right backs if ever I've seen one.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: nigel on May 21, 2023, 01:13:04 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Richard on May 21, 2023, 12:35:15 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on May 21, 2023, 11:54:42 AM
Stefan De Vrij at Inter Milan (tenous links with us kicking about last season) is out of contract this summer. 

Serge Aurier at Forest only signed a deal until the end of June with them. Might be good back up option to fight it out with Cash and Liccul Ashley. Bellerin and Cederic Soares also available and have previous under Emery. Not that we're shopping exclusively in that market, ofc. 

But would mean more darts available for the game changing number 10 or Bailey replacement. 

Thats a dog shit collection of right backs if ever I've seen one.

What’s happened to KK-H?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on May 21, 2023, 02:42:04 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ChicagoLion on May 21, 2023, 12:30:46 PM
Why are Sky so convinced Martinez is leaving?

Doing the bidding of their favoured clubs again.  Funny how there is not the constant comments that Declan Rice should be leaving West Ham to improve himself and speculation about where he should go.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on May 21, 2023, 03:50:38 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ChicagoLion on May 21, 2023, 12:30:46 PM
Why are Sky so convinced Martinez is leaving?

They are determined for him to play at a Super League team like Spurs and not little Aston Villa. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: jwarry on May 21, 2023, 04:42:17 PM
			

			

				Just thinking how came the rule is you have to be in Europe to attract the best players but Chelsea…..
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SoccerHQ on May 21, 2023, 04:52:00 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 21, 2023, 02:42:04 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on May 21, 2023, 12:30:46 PM
Why are Sky so convinced Martinez is leaving?

Doing the bidding of their favoured clubs again.  Funny how there is not the constant comments that Declan Rice should be leaving West Ham to improve himself and speculation about where he should go.  

Rice to Arsenal is silently a done deal.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on May 21, 2023, 04:53:50 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 21, 2023, 02:42:04 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on May 21, 2023, 12:30:46 PM
Why are Sky so convinced Martinez is leaving?

Doing the bidding of their favoured clubs again.  Funny how there is not the constant comments that Declan Rice should be leaving West Ham to improve himself and speculation about where he should go. 

Reckon I've seen Rice linked to all of Man Utd, Arsenal, Man City, Liverpool, Newcastle and Chelsea with a new article every week for about two years now. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 21, 2023, 09:22:59 PM
			

			

				re Declan Rice, the West Ham players walked out with their kids pre the match today, and I noted Rice had FOUR of them. 

He's only 24. Impressive. Unless some of them were on loan.

Mind you, i watched that Brian Jones documentary the other day and he had five or so by 22.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on May 21, 2023, 09:28:53 PM
			

			

				Linked over the last few days with Asensio and Ceballos of Real Madrid. Both started their game tonight away to Valencia and were double subbed on 65 minutes.  Lost 1-0 too. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on May 21, 2023, 09:50:41 PM
			

			

				I think it was a mixture of their own and genuine mascots. I thought the lad in his arms was his but none of the others. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on May 21, 2023, 11:57:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on May 21, 2023, 04:53:50 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 21, 2023, 02:42:04 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on May 21, 2023, 12:30:46 PM
Why are Sky so convinced Martinez is leaving?

Doing the bidding of their favoured clubs again.  Funny how there is not the constant comments that Declan Rice should be leaving West Ham to improve himself and speculation about where he should go. 

Reckon I've seen Rice linked to all of Man Utd, Arsenal, Man City, Liverpool, Newcastle and Chelsea with a new article every week for about two years now.

Not in the same way Jack Grealish was.  Nothing saying he definitely needs to go to win trophies and further his career  Nothing from Gareth Southgate coming out saying he needs to be playing Champions League.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 22, 2023, 12:58:33 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 21, 2023, 09:22:59 PM
re Declan Rice, the West Ham players walked out with their kids pre the match today, and I noted Rice had FOUR of them. 

He's only 24. Impressive. Unless some of them were on loan.

Mind you, i watched that Brian Jones documentary the other day and he had five or so by 22.

If Declan Rice was black, the number of kids he had wouldn't be a surprise to anyone. Our non-racist tabloid press would've made sure everyone knew all about his fecundity. Like when Raheem Sterling supposedly had four kids aged 17 (I think he had one).
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: mrfuse on May 22, 2023, 01:47:51 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on May 22, 2023, 12:58:33 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 21, 2023, 09:22:59 PM
re Declan Rice, the West Ham players walked out with their kids pre the match today, and I noted Rice had FOUR of them. 

He's only 24. Impressive. Unless some of them were on loan.

Mind you, i watched that Brian Jones documentary the other day and he had five or so by 22.

If Declan Rice was black, the number of kids he had wouldn't be a surprise to anyone. Our non-racist tabloid press would've made sure everyone knew all about his fecundity. Like when Raheem Sterling supposedly had four kids aged 17 (I think he had one).

Bit of a strange and sweeping comment. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: maidstonevillain on May 22, 2023, 08:49:09 AM
			

			

				Martial on Loan.

BBC Gossip.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on May 22, 2023, 08:58:19 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: maidstonevillain on May 22, 2023, 08:49:09 AM
Martial on Loan.

BBC Gossip.

Fucking idiots.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on May 22, 2023, 08:59:16 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on May 22, 2023, 08:58:19 AM
Quote from: maidstonevillain on May 22, 2023, 08:49:09 AM
Martial on Loan.

BBC Gossip.

Fucking idiots.
We have plenty of capacity in our treatment room.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on May 22, 2023, 09:02:04 AM
			

			

				And I like how we're scraping for a loan of a piece of shit centre forward (and he is, he's fucking woeful) whilst Chelsea, only 15 points behind us and with huge FFP problems ahead, are buying Vlahovic for £70m.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 22, 2023, 09:10:31 AM
			

			

				I am impressed with his energy on the pitch if he has 4 kids , fair play 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 22, 2023, 09:35:02 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on May 22, 2023, 09:02:04 AM
And I like how we're scraping for a loan of a piece of shit centre forward (and he is, he's fucking woeful) whilst Chelsea, only 15 points behind us and with huge FFP problems ahead, are buying Vlahovic for £70m.

Especially when they also say Vlahovic wants to play Champions League football next season.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on May 22, 2023, 09:36:51 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on May 22, 2023, 09:35:02 AM
Quote from: LeeB on May 22, 2023, 09:02:04 AM
And I like how we're scraping for a loan of a piece of shit centre forward (and he is, he's fucking woeful) whilst Chelsea, only 15 points behind us and with huge FFP problems ahead, are buying Vlahovic for £70m.

Especially when they also say Vlahovic wants to play Champions League football next season.

He should go to Real Sociedad then.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Messi11 on May 22, 2023, 12:05:13 PM
			

			

				What I'd love to see Villa do in the Summer:

Pau Torres- £30 Million
Nico Williams or Samuel Chukwueze - £40 Million
Ugarte or Guendouzi- £30-£45 Million
Lee Kang IN - £15 Million
Mateo Retegui- £18 Million

= No More than £150 Million





			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on May 22, 2023, 12:08:07 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Messi11 on May 22, 2023, 12:05:13 PM
What I'd love to see Villa do in the Summer:

Pau Torres- £30 Million
Nico Williams or Samuel Chukwueze - £40 Million
Ugarte or Guendouzi- £30-£45 Million
Lee Kang IN - £15 Million
Mateo Retegui- £18 Million

= No More than £150 Million

Good list up until the last two, not because I think they're bad but because I don't actually know much about them.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 22, 2023, 12:13:51 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Messi11 on May 22, 2023, 12:05:13 PM
What I'd love to see Villa do in the Summer:

Pau Torres- £30 Million
Nico Williams or Samuel Chukwueze - £40 Million
Ugarte or Guendouzi- £30-£45 Million
Lee Kang IN - £15 Million
Mateo Retegui- £18 Million

= No More than £150 Million

The first few would be welcome but I think we also need a right-back and another centre-half who's comfortable with playing out from the back.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on May 22, 2023, 12:16:31 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Messi11 on May 22, 2023, 12:05:13 PM
What I'd love to see Villa do in the Summer:

Pau Torres- £30 Million
Nico Williams or Samuel Chukwueze - £40 Million
Ugarte or Guendouzi- £30-£45 Million
Lee Kang IN - £15 Million
Mateo Retegui- £18 Million

= No More than £150 Million

replace or with and ... 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 22, 2023, 12:32:14 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on May 22, 2023, 12:13:51 PM
Quote from: Messi11 on May 22, 2023, 12:05:13 PM
What I'd love to see Villa do in the Summer:

Pau Torres- £30 Million
Nico Williams or Samuel Chukwueze - £40 Million
Ugarte or Guendouzi- £30-£45 Million
Lee Kang IN - £15 Million
Mateo Retegui- £18 Million

= No More than £150 Million

The first few would be welcome but I think we also need a right-back and another centre-half who's comfortable with playing out from the back.

Torres is central casting/the poster boy for that isn’t he?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on May 22, 2023, 12:48:11 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ChicagoLion on May 21, 2023, 12:30:46 PM
Why are Sky so convinced Martinez is leaving?

probably because the last truly world class player we had did the same

times hopefully are different now but we have a track record
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Hookeysmith on May 22, 2023, 01:30:14 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: john e on May 22, 2023, 12:48:11 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on May 21, 2023, 12:30:46 PM
Why are Sky so convinced Martinez is leaving?

probably because the last truly world class player we had did the same

times hopefully are different know but we have a track record

And same rules apply - no matter who they are or how good they are

If they do not want to play for us then off they can fuck - as long as we get the maximum top dollar for them
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Messi11 on May 22, 2023, 02:38:58 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Monty on May 22, 2023, 12:08:07 PM
Quote from: Messi11 on May 22, 2023, 12:05:13 PM
What I'd love to see Villa do in the Summer:

Pau Torres- £30 Million
Nico Williams or Samuel Chukwueze - £40 Million
Ugarte or Guendouzi- £30-£45 Million
Lee Kang IN - £15 Million
Mateo Retegui- £18 Million

= No More than £150 Million

Good list up until the last two, not because I think they're bad but because I don't actually know much about them.

Quote from: Monty on May 22, 2023, 12:08:07 PM
Quote from: Messi11 on May 22, 2023, 12:05:13 PM
What I'd love to see Villa do in the Summer:

Pau Torres- £30 Million
Nico Williams or Samuel Chukwueze - £40 Million
Ugarte or Guendouzi- £30-£45 Million
Lee Kang IN - £15 Million
Mateo Retegui- £18 Million

= No More than £150 Million

Good list up until the last two, not because I think they're bad but because I don't actually know much about them.

Mateo Retegui is a striker. Actually scored against England for italy in a recent Friendly on his debut. He scored 10 goals in 13 games in Argentina. Was Top Scorer last season. He loves scoring goals.

Lee Kang-In is a very gifted player playing in La Liga. Think Berando Silva type. Easy on the eye, very skilful and creative. 




			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on May 22, 2023, 02:49:53 PM
			

			

				“Our idea is to get better next year with the players we have now and adding players who can improve the squad. It’s not in my mind for players to leave if they’re very important to us.”

Mr Emery has spoken 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on May 22, 2023, 02:59:06 PM
			

			

				Aston Villa have beefed up their back room with the addition of not one – but two new faces.

By Ashley Preece

The resurgent Villans have today confirmed the arrival of Alberto Benito and Pablo Rodriguez who join from Real Betis and Villarreal CF respectively.

They say: “Alberto brings a wealth of experience and a global network to the organisation and will work alongside Rob Mackenzie in a global technical role.”

Benito arrives having won the Copa del Rey, having qualified for Europe in the last three seasons and having worked with Unai Emery at both PSG and Arsenal.

Rodriguez is a relatively less high profile but adds to the brains trust set to oversee Villa’s progress on the analytical side of the game. Here’s what you need to know about him.

Who is he?

A 47-year-old who was most recently at Villarreal CF as a coaching staff member and senior scout. Villa also brought Emery from Villarreal CF last October. He spent three years at Villarreal having joined them from Valencia. However he knows Emery from their playing days at Ferrol back in 2000.

Relationship with Emery

In an interview with El Progresso he said: “Throughout my career I have had many coaches, but it is clear that if Unai has that path, it is for a reason. He is a top-level coach with absolute control of everything that has to do with the position and he is a very influential person in my career.”

Career highlight

Rodriguez was a technical analyst with Villarreal when they won the 2021 Europa League after a 22-penalty shoot-out against Manchester United. He was congratulated for that success by the mayoress of his home town Viveiro, which is on the Galician coast.

Playing career

He spent his playing days as a midfielder but outside of the Spanish top flight, between the Segunda and Tercera at Deportivo B, two stints with Lugo, at Rácing de Ferrol – with Emery, Girona, Leganés and Atlético Baleares, before retiring Pontes in 2010.

Technical career

He spent nine seasons at Valencia, where he also worked with Emery. He moved to Villarreal in 2020 having received a call from his former team-mate. “When he calls you, a coach of his prestige, to go to a club with such good references you have little to think about.” It seems Rodriguez is still in that mindset. Villa haven’t clarified his role yet but their announcement did make reference to their ‘global recruitment’.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: mallo on May 22, 2023, 03:15:31 PM
			

			

				It's so much better looking to Europe than circling the plughole each season isn't it?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Jimsta on May 22, 2023, 05:47:50 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: mallo on May 22, 2023, 03:15:31 PM
It's so much better looking to Europe than circling the plughole each season isn't it?
If there was a Like button you sir would of got one from me.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on May 22, 2023, 06:00:47 PM
			

			

				Spanish press reporting agreement almost done with Dani Ceballos..... and earlier there was talk of Pau Torres too, so we can assume that's not happening then!!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on May 22, 2023, 06:15:30 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on May 22, 2023, 06:00:47 PM
Spanish press reporting agreement almost done with Dani Ceballos..... and earlier there was talk of Pau Torres too, so we can assume that's not happening then!!

A considerable upgrade on Buendia. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Goldenballs on May 22, 2023, 06:34:03 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: villadelph on May 22, 2023, 06:15:30 PM
Quote from: Drummond on May 22, 2023, 06:00:47 PM
Spanish press reporting agreement almost done with Dani Ceballos..... and earlier there was talk of Pau Torres too, so we can assume that's not happening then!!

A considerable upgrade on Buendia. 

Who, Ceballos? 0 goals in 50 games for Arsenal, 0 goals and 3 assists in 30 games this season. I don't rate him. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 22, 2023, 06:49:52 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Goldenballs on May 22, 2023, 06:34:03 PM
Quote from: villadelph on May 22, 2023, 06:15:30 PM
Quote from: Drummond on May 22, 2023, 06:00:47 PM
Spanish press reporting agreement almost done with Dani Ceballos..... and earlier there was talk of Pau Torres too, so we can assume that's not happening then!!

A considerable upgrade on Buendia. 

Who, Ceballos? 0 goals in 50 games for Arsenal, 0 goals and 3 assists in 30 games this season. I don't rate him.

He's only scored 12 league goals in his career so I'm assuming he is deep lying and therefore I'm not too bothered by that stat. I still don't know if he's good enough, mind, but I'm not judging Kante on his goals either.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Goldenballs on May 22, 2023, 06:58:48 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on May 22, 2023, 06:49:52 PM
Quote from: Goldenballs on May 22, 2023, 06:34:03 PM
Quote from: villadelph on May 22, 2023, 06:15:30 PM
Quote from: Drummond on May 22, 2023, 06:00:47 PM
Spanish press reporting agreement almost done with Dani Ceballos..... and earlier there was talk of Pau Torres too, so we can assume that's not happening then!!

A considerable upgrade on Buendia. 

Who, Ceballos? 0 goals in 50 games for Arsenal, 0 goals and 3 assists in 30 games this season. I don't rate him.

He's only scored 12 league goals in his career so I'm assuming he is deep lying and therefore I'm not too bothered by that stat. I still don't know if he's good enough, mind, but I'm not judging Kante on his goals either.

That's kind of what I mean, I wouldn't say he's an upgrade on Buendia if he plays a completely different role.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 22, 2023, 07:00:26 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Goldenballs on May 22, 2023, 06:58:48 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on May 22, 2023, 06:49:52 PM
Quote from: Goldenballs on May 22, 2023, 06:34:03 PM
Quote from: villadelph on May 22, 2023, 06:15:30 PM
Quote from: Drummond on May 22, 2023, 06:00:47 PM
Spanish press reporting agreement almost done with Dani Ceballos..... and earlier there was talk of Pau Torres too, so we can assume that's not happening then!!

A considerable upgrade on Buendia. 

Who, Ceballos? 0 goals in 50 games for Arsenal, 0 goals and 3 assists in 30 games this season. I don't rate him.

He's only scored 12 league goals in his career so I'm assuming he is deep lying and therefore I'm not too bothered by that stat. I still don't know if he's good enough, mind, but I'm not judging Kante on his goals either.

That's kind of what I mean, I wouldn't say he's an upgrade on Buendia if he plays a completely different role.

Oh sorry, yeah, hadn't properly read what you quoted.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on May 22, 2023, 07:13:36 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Messi11 on May 22, 2023, 12:05:13 PM
What I'd love to see Villa do in the Summer:

Pau Torres- £30 Million
Nico Williams or Samuel Chukwueze - £40 Million
Ugarte or Guendouzi- £30-£45 Million
Lee Kang IN - £15 Million
Mateo Retegui- £18 Million

= No More than £150 Million



Domestically, I'd be looking to see if we can get Eze from Palace.  He'd cost a bit, but I think he's a Top 6 player.  He's the closest thing to Grealish in the Premier League, I think.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Matt C on May 22, 2023, 07:14:54 PM
			

			

				Linked with Giorgi Mamardashvili (definitely copy and pasted that spelling), Valencia keeper. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on May 22, 2023, 07:17:14 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Matt C on May 22, 2023, 07:14:54 PM
Linked with Giorgi Mamardashvili (definitely copy and pasted that spelling), Valencia keeper.

The guy who was trying to scrap with Vinicius Jnr at the weekend?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Kevin Dawson on May 22, 2023, 07:21:53 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Gareth on May 22, 2023, 07:17:14 PM
Quote from: Matt C on May 22, 2023, 07:14:54 PM
Linked with Giorgi Mamardashvili (definitely copy and pasted that spelling), Valencia keeper.

The guy who was trying to scrap with Vinicius Jnr at the weekend?

I read that he had a release clause of €100m.....
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: exigo on May 22, 2023, 07:26:18 PM
			

			

				We laugh in the face of release clauses.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on May 22, 2023, 07:37:50 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Tokyo Sexwhale on May 22, 2023, 07:13:36 PM
Quote from: Messi11 on May 22, 2023, 12:05:13 PM
What I'd love to see Villa do in the Summer:

Pau Torres- £30 Million
Nico Williams or Samuel Chukwueze - £40 Million
Ugarte or Guendouzi- £30-£45 Million
Lee Kang IN - £15 Million
Mateo Retegui- £18 Million

= No More than £150 Million



Domestically, I'd be looking to see if we can get Eze from Palace.  He'd cost a bit, but I think he's a Top 6 player.  He's the closest thing to Grealish in the Premier League, I think.


Eze and Olise are both great players wasted in a team that doesn't have the central midfield or strikers to allow them to shine.

If the links to Asensio are correct though I think he's pretty similar to Eze and would fill that gap superbly.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Lastfootstamper on May 22, 2023, 07:46:50 PM
			

			

				I don't know about Eze. A gripe about Buendia is that while he's got talent aplenty and then some, he never bosses a game. Eze strikes me as similar. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on May 22, 2023, 08:04:36 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Lastfootstamper on May 22, 2023, 07:46:50 PM
I don't know about Eze. A gripe about Buendia is that while he's got talent aplenty and then some, he never bosses a game. Eze strikes me as similar. 

I think eze is more like Bailey as a player, commits defenders and tries to make something happen every time he gets the ball. I don't mind players like that giving the ball away.

For someone who's role is more about pass and move, opening teams up by constantly moving the focus of the attack then you need to take much better care of possession. Buendia annoys me because he gives possession away cheaply far too often, either by being weak in the challenge or by just playing shit passes. The worst thing is it's caused by him playing the game at the wrong speed, he either dwells in possession or rushes things, when he gets things right in the middle he has got talent but it's just not often enough.

I know he's popular but I think replacing him in the 11 is more important than replacing Bailey right now. I can see why Argentina had a look and then haven't come back, MacAllister does the same job but to a significantly better standard.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on May 22, 2023, 10:06:52 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on May 22, 2023, 08:04:36 PM
Quote from: Lastfootstamper on May 22, 2023, 07:46:50 PM
I don't know about Eze. A gripe about Buendia is that while he's got talent aplenty and then some, he never bosses a game. Eze strikes me as similar. 

I think eze is more like Bailey as a player, commits defenders and tries to make something happen every time he gets the ball. I don't mind players like that giving the ball away.

For someone who's role is more about pass and move, opening teams up by constantly moving the focus of the attack then you need to take much better care of possession. Buendia annoys me because he gives possession away cheaply far too often, either by being weak in the challenge or by just playing shit passes. The worst thing is it's caused by him playing the game at the wrong speed, he either dwells in possession or rushes things, when he gets things right in the middle he has got talent but it's just not often enough.

I know he's popular but I think replacing him in the 11 is more important than replacing Bailey right now. I can see why Argentina had a look and then haven't come back, MacAllister does the same job but to a significantly better standard.

I agree about Emi Buendia Paul.  I like him, but think it is one position we can definitely improve on (doesn’t look like Coutinho will be the player we need).

I also think it is one position (as opposed to a striker) where there are plenty of quality options around and I think it could be an area where we could get a marquee signing.  Someone like that with Buendia as back up will improve us.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on May 22, 2023, 10:41:20 PM
			

			

				Emi will be a bit part player by the time next season rolls around, I'm sure.  Left, Right and the second striker/advanced midfielder role will be upgraded and that means Emi will be a squad player.  I have always though him quite useful as a supersub.  Dani Ceballos said to be in advanced talks?  Started for Real Madrid last night, looks a talent but a bit of a highlights player.  Eze is that type of player too. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 22, 2023, 11:18:00 PM
			

			

				I don't watch la liga but I'm really confused by people seeming to suggest Ceballos is an attacking footballer. He can't be, he hardly ever scores or assists. He's either a DM so that doesn't really matter or he's a shit attacking player.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villan82 on May 22, 2023, 11:32:48 PM
			

			

				Granted, Gerrard had him out of the team quite a bit, but you would have to say Buendia hasn't really lived up to the hype. I would keep him around but not sure he should be an automatic first -teamer. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on May 22, 2023, 11:48:56 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on May 22, 2023, 11:18:00 PM
I don't watch la liga but I'm really confused by people seeming to suggest Ceballos is an attacking footballer. He can't be, he hardly ever scores or assists. He's either a DM so that doesn't really matter or he's a shit attacking player.

For us he'd defintely be more defensive, I'd see him competing for a spot with Luiz and Kamara. Him and Guendouzi would give us some serious options in midfield.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on May 23, 2023, 12:10:02 AM
			

			

				I'd rather Sanson back. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on May 23, 2023, 12:12:50 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Villan82 on May 22, 2023, 11:32:48 PM
Granted, Gerrard had him out of the team quite a bit, but you would have to say Buendia hasn't really lived up to the hype. I would keep him around but not sure he should be an automatic first -teamer. 

I'm not sure that Emery is 100% sold on Buendia to be honest.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on May 23, 2023, 12:45:07 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Villan82 on May 22, 2023, 11:32:48 PM
Granted, Gerrard had him out of the team quite a bit, but you would have to say Buendia hasn't really lived up to the hype. I would keep him around but not sure he should be an automatic first -teamer.

He's done well enough for us this season, but we will need a better player in that position if we are to progress.  I like Emi, but think he gets found out a bit against the top players.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on May 23, 2023, 07:28:16 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on May 22, 2023, 11:48:56 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on May 22, 2023, 11:18:00 PM
I don't watch la liga but I'm really confused by people seeming to suggest Ceballos is an attacking footballer. He can't be, he hardly ever scores or assists. He's either a DM so that doesn't really matter or he's a shit attacking player.

For us he'd defintely be more defensive, I'd see him competing for a spot with Luiz and Kamara. Him and Guendouzi would give us some serious options in midfield.
It's suspect if we're going for Ceballos as a DM, we might not also be in for Guendouzi. Just can't see us having a squad with 4-5 defending midfielders (depending on whether or not we flog Donk) plus Chambers who can also play there at a push, and Tim Iroegbunam potentially too 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on May 23, 2023, 07:33:07 AM
			

			

				I've never been impressed when I've seen Ceballos
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Holte L2 on May 23, 2023, 07:55:41 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on May 23, 2023, 07:33:07 AM
I've never been impressed when I've seen Ceballos

Nor me.  He was poor at Arsenal. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on May 23, 2023, 08:26:01 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Goldenballs on May 22, 2023, 06:34:03 PM
Quote from: villadelph on May 22, 2023, 06:15:30 PM
Quote from: Drummond on May 22, 2023, 06:00:47 PM
Spanish press reporting agreement almost done with Dani Ceballos..... and earlier there was talk of Pau Torres too, so we can assume that's not happening then!!

A considerable upgrade on Buendia. 

Who, Ceballos? 0 goals in 50 games for Arsenal, 0 goals and 3 assists in 30 games this season. I don't rate him.

Nor me, he was rubbish at Arsenal..too lightweight for the PL.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 23, 2023, 08:50:23 AM
			

			

				I like Buendia but he is also infuriating. 

Emery always seems to pick him but - like many of our players he inherited - I am never really sure how much that really just reflects the paucity of alternatives. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on May 23, 2023, 09:38:23 AM
			

			

				I think next season Buendia will be a squad player, which is no insult as, in a team with top-echelon aspirations, almost everyone should be a squad player in the sense that no place in the eleven should be taken for granted. We'll sign other nippy, technical, tactically aware little skill-pressers and they'll all just have to fight it out. Very nice.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on May 23, 2023, 09:40:25 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: algy on May 23, 2023, 07:28:16 AM
Quote from: paul_e on May 22, 2023, 11:48:56 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on May 22, 2023, 11:18:00 PM
I don't watch la liga but I'm really confused by people seeming to suggest Ceballos is an attacking footballer. He can't be, he hardly ever scores or assists. He's either a DM so that doesn't really matter or he's a shit attacking player.

For us he'd defintely be more defensive, I'd see him competing for a spot with Luiz and Kamara. Him and Guendouzi would give us some serious options in midfield.
It's suspect if we're going for Ceballos as a DM, we might not also be in for Guendouzi. Just can't see us having a squad with 4-5 defending midfielders (depending on whether or not we flog Donk) plus Chambers who can also play there at a push, and Tim Iroegbunam potentially too 

I think Guendouzi would be competing for the McGinn/Ramsey role rather than the more defensive one.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SamTheMouse on May 23, 2023, 10:13:48 AM
			

			

				Yeah, you can see why Guendouzi and Emery worked well together, as he's the sort of midfielder who's happy tracking back or breaking forward. A solid all-rounder.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: DB on May 23, 2023, 10:37:22 AM
			

			

				Deeney is leaving Blueezzz. Would be good back up for Watkins.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on May 23, 2023, 10:40:35 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: DB on May 23, 2023, 10:37:22 AM
Deeney is leaving Blueezzz. Would be good back up for Watkins.

Mate.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: DB on May 23, 2023, 10:41:31 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Monty on May 23, 2023, 10:40:35 AM
Quote from: DB on May 23, 2023, 10:37:22 AM
Deeney is leaving Blueezzz. Would be good back up for Watkins.

Mate.

Chortle. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: aldridgeboy on May 23, 2023, 12:06:20 PM
			

			

				https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1660875874634178561?s=46&t=jo4adbG13BgBUR97pIGxUA

Emi suggesting we should go for Messi 😀
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Messi11 on May 23, 2023, 12:22:37 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: aldridgeboy on May 23, 2023, 12:06:20 PM
https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1660875874634178561?s=46&t=jo4adbG13BgBUR97pIGxUA

Emi suggesting we should go for Messi 😀

Messi would be a decent signing. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on May 23, 2023, 12:55:21 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Messi11 on May 23, 2023, 12:22:37 PM
Quote from: aldridgeboy on May 23, 2023, 12:06:20 PM
https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1660875874634178561?s=46&t=jo4adbG13BgBUR97pIGxUA

Emi suggesting we should go for Messi 😀

Messi would be a decent signing.
I think Emi's being mischievous again ;)

Mind you, saying that, Messi has the European Conference Winner's medal missing from his groaning trophy cabinet (assuming we qualify for that tournament by winning on Sunday: this is Aston Villa we're talking about), so who knows?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on May 23, 2023, 01:02:57 PM
			

			

				Suppose he'd do a job for a season or two. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on May 23, 2023, 01:30:42 PM
			

			

				Most importantly that seems exactly like the sort of behaviour you'd see from someone who is desperate to leave because of some previous slight between him and Emery and because he wants to go to Chelsea or Tottenham to secure champions league football, or something.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 23, 2023, 01:47:57 PM
			

			

				If/when Leeds go down, I'd take Tyler Adams off their hands. Arsenal, Newcastle and Atletico Madrid all circling the carcass.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on May 23, 2023, 01:56:35 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on May 23, 2023, 01:47:57 PM
If/when Leeds go down, I'd take Tyler Adams off their hands. Arsenal, Newcastle and Atletico Madrid all circling the carcass.

I don't think he's a big improvement on anybody we've got to be honest.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on May 23, 2023, 02:11:33 PM
			

			

				It's a no from me as well, he's reasonably tidy but there's no chance he's getting into our team ahead of Luiz or Kamara, I'd prefer any new signings to be at least challenging to start in our best team.

More broadly, and I know it's not entirely fair, but most teams that get relegated do so because they lose the midfield battle, I'd not want a centre mid from any of the teams down the bottom, same reason I'd dodge JWP as well.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on May 23, 2023, 02:19:20 PM
			

			

				As Unai has said multiple times that we'll only be buying players who will definitely improve us, there's no way that Tyler Adams or JWP will be coming in. That's yesterdays thinking
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on May 23, 2023, 02:19:41 PM
			

			

				What about Tielemanns or "Madders" though? They're very talented. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VinnieChase84 on May 23, 2023, 02:24:50 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on May 23, 2023, 02:19:41 PM
What about Tielemanns or "Madders" though? They're very talented. 

Maddison would never join us - hates us!! 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on May 23, 2023, 02:26:51 PM
			

			

				I like JWP and think he suffers from people writing him off as a free kick merchant, but they'd also want stupid money for him. Same with Eze, who I do really like
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on May 23, 2023, 02:40:05 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on May 23, 2023, 02:19:41 PM
What about Tielemanns or "Madders" though? They're very talented. 

I like Tielemans, but he's been awful this season either injured or overweight and disinterested. If he was back to his best he'd be a big addition but I think we can get someone as good who hasn't got that question mark over him.

I don't see Maddison as a midfielder in the same way, he's very much an AM. I do rate him but, as above, he'd never come here anyway.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 23, 2023, 02:56:57 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on May 23, 2023, 02:24:50 PM
Quote from: eamonn on May 23, 2023, 02:19:41 PM
What about Tielemanns or "Madders" though? They're very talented. 

Maddison would never join us - hates us!! 

He's Newcastle bound. £60m - more money than sense.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on May 23, 2023, 03:48:50 PM
			

			

				Barnes would probably be my choice of the Leicester players, since we could do with a player like him and he's quite good. I would have thought we'll be capable of finding someone a little better and a little cheaper from overseas though.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on May 23, 2023, 03:50:45 PM
			

			

				Under Unai, Barnes would be an even better player, but for the cost.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on May 23, 2023, 04:26:53 PM
			

			

				Upgrades then McGinn has only scored once from midfield this season
And no more than 3 in Prem in a season.
He has actually missed some guilt-edged scoring chances, so he will clearly be replaced by a goal-scoring midfielder in my opinion.


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on May 23, 2023, 04:30:11 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: brontebilly on May 23, 2023, 08:26:01 AM
Quote from: Goldenballs on May 22, 2023, 06:34:03 PM
Quote from: villadelph on May 22, 2023, 06:15:30 PM
Quote from: Drummond on May 22, 2023, 06:00:47 PM
Spanish press reporting agreement almost done with Dani Ceballos..... and earlier there was talk of Pau Torres too, so we can assume that's not happening then!!

A considerable upgrade on Buendia. 

Who, Ceballos? 0 goals in 50 games for Arsenal, 0 goals and 3 assists in 30 games this season. I don't rate him.

Nor me, he was rubbish at Arsenal..too lightweight for the PL.

I feel I can trust Emery to sign the right players and always suspected Ceballos would be one he would target.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on May 23, 2023, 04:30:31 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on May 23, 2023, 04:26:53 PM
Upgrades then McGinn has only scored once from midfield this season
And no more than 3 in Prem in a season.
He has actually missed some guilt-edged scoring chances, so he will clearly be replaced by a goal-scoring midfielder in my opinion.

But who can replace his goggle celebration? Tell me that!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on May 23, 2023, 04:38:48 PM
			

			

				How much you reckon we'd get for McGinn if we sold him? He's been really good since Unai came in but if you could get someone to do the same but with added goals then you go for it.

30m and I'd sell  8)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on May 23, 2023, 04:40:49 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on May 23, 2023, 04:38:48 PM
How much you reckon we'd get for McGinn if we sold him? He's been really good since Unai came in but if you could get someone to do the same but with added goals then you go for it.

30m and I'd sell  8)

Absolutely no chance, he's been one of the best midfielders in the league since Christmas, and he's got a few trophies to lift before he's done here.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on May 23, 2023, 04:51:57 PM
			

			

				We want a squad so that we can pick horses for courses, cover for additional games and injuries without a drop in levels and make meaningful in-game tactical changes. 

You don't get that by selling members of the current first choice 11. You give them real competition for their place and make them compete to be in the team. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on May 23, 2023, 05:03:23 PM
			

			

				I should emphasise that the idea of McGinn upgrade wouldn't mean McGuinn should therefore be leaving the club more he will be given a role within the squad rather than starter. 

It's a hard one when he's in form or if he had shown us the Championship's McGinn who scored goals and showed more at Prem Level.

In the Premier League, he's proved that he's not capable of reaching the same goalscoring heights, despite his recent form in his displays . There seems a fresh enthusiasm and vigour. 

McGinn will never be short on that vigorous effort though. He also adds a distinct dynamism to the team but how much is that type of player valued in Emery philosophy of football?
It's possible that Ginny would be replaced in the first 11 by a different type of player with more footy intelligence and scoring ability but he'll still be a member of a squad where all players must play their part.



			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on May 23, 2023, 05:07:40 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on May 23, 2023, 04:30:31 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on May 23, 2023, 04:26:53 PM
Upgrades then McGinn has only scored once from midfield this season
And no more than 3 in Prem in a season.
He has actually missed some guilt-edged scoring chances, so he will clearly be replaced by a goal-scoring midfielder in my opinion.

But who can replace his goggle celebration? Tell me that!
It's interesting Ginny has scored  exactly the same number of goals for club and country.
16 goals in 173 matches for Villa and 16 goals in 54 matches for Scotland

He also scored double amount in the championship 6 goals than he has in the Prem where he scored 3 the last 3 seasons. 

I think there's an indication of what level he is regards being able to offer the goals.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on May 23, 2023, 05:19:16 PM
			

			

				McGinn gives us badly needed spunk in midfield, we need someone like him to chuck himself about and oppress the opposition in a way that none of our other midfielders can.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: nigel on May 23, 2023, 05:19:56 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on May 23, 2023, 04:38:48 PM
How much you reckon we'd get for McGinn if we sold him? He's been really good since Unai came in but if you could get someone to do the same but with added goals then you go for it.

30m and I'd sell  8)

£30m?
Flippin heck, mate, the way he’s been playing lately I’d be looking for a lot more than that
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on May 23, 2023, 05:25:31 PM
			

			

				I said £20m a few months ago and it got laughed at. I know he wasn't playing great but £20m seems to be the starting price nowadays. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SamTheMouse on May 23, 2023, 05:27:38 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on May 23, 2023, 04:26:53 PM
He has actually missed some guilt-edged scoring chances

I can't remember him being culpable for many big misses.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on May 23, 2023, 05:28:52 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: SamTheMouse on May 23, 2023, 05:27:38 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on May 23, 2023, 04:26:53 PM
He has actually missed some guilt-edged scoring chances

I can't remember him being culpable for many big misses.

No, nor can I. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on May 23, 2023, 06:05:19 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: nigel on May 23, 2023, 05:19:56 PM
Quote from: Smirker on May 23, 2023, 04:38:48 PM
How much you reckon we'd get for McGinn if we sold him? He's been really good since Unai came in but if you could get someone to do the same but with added goals then you go for it.

30m and I'd sell  8)

£30m?
Flippin heck, mate, the way he’s been playing lately I’d be looking for a lot more than that
Based on current form you would struggle to replace him for under 40 50 million.
So it’s a keep.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: frank black on May 23, 2023, 06:54:19 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clampy on May 23, 2023, 05:28:52 PM
Quote from: SamTheMouse on May 23, 2023, 05:27:38 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on May 23, 2023, 04:26:53 PM
He has actually missed some guilt-edged scoring chances

I can't remember him being culpable for many big misses.

No, nor can I. 

He’s rarely in the Gilt edged area of the pitch. Unless you are counting shots from outside the box? Which would be harsh 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on May 23, 2023, 07:30:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on May 23, 2023, 01:56:35 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on May 23, 2023, 01:47:57 PM
If/when Leeds go down, I'd take Tyler Adams off their hands. Arsenal, Newcastle and Atletico Madrid all circling the carcass.

I don't think he's a big improvement on anybody we've got to be honest.

Leeds best player and top scorer would be the only one from that lot could see coming in. Spain International Rodrigo Moreno

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on May 23, 2023, 07:31:41 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: frank black on May 23, 2023, 06:54:19 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 23, 2023, 05:28:52 PM
Quote from: SamTheMouse on May 23, 2023, 05:27:38 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on May 23, 2023, 04:26:53 PM
He has actually missed some guilt-edged scoring chances

I can't remember him being culpable for many big misses.

No, nor can I. 

He’s rarely in the Gilt edged area of the pitch. Unless you are counting shots from outside the box? Which would be harsh

No specifically when he's been in the box and in a position to score and hasn't taken it. It's not as apparent as Watkins but between his recent goal against Chelsea to when he last scored for us there have been instances where he was very poor finishing.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on May 23, 2023, 07:56:30 PM
			

			

				Why are people trying to sell our captain? As for his goals record, unlike with Scotland his position isn’t about getting into the box all the time, last 3 months he has embraced Emery’s tactics more than anyone and has been absolutely excellent - totally not on the sales list for me. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on May 23, 2023, 08:00:04 PM
			

			

				Footy vil is a world class wind up merchant I swear to god. McGinn has been absolutely class under the new manager, is the captain and is absolutely dominating. We need more goals from our forwards more than anything. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: N'ZMAV on May 23, 2023, 08:02:05 PM
			

			

				have a day off, Footy-Vill.

For your own sake. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on May 23, 2023, 08:03:13 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on May 23, 2023, 04:38:48 PM
How much you reckon we'd get for McGinn if we sold him? He's been really good since Unai came in but if you could get someone to do the same but with added goals then you go for it.

30m and I'd sell  8)

Ha ha this has got to be a wind up
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on May 23, 2023, 08:22:44 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 23, 2023, 08:02:05 PM
have a day year off, Footy-Vill.

For your own sake. 


FTFY
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: FatSam on May 23, 2023, 08:41:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Gareth on May 23, 2023, 07:56:30 PM
Why are people trying to sell our captain? As for his goals record, unlike with Scotland his position isn’t about getting into the box all the time, last 3 months he has embraced Emery’s tactics more than anyone and has been absolutely excellent - totally not on the sales list for me.
For a lot of those games in the EPL he has been played as a holding midfielder in a struggling side - no wonder he didn’t score many goals. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on May 23, 2023, 09:27:54 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clampy on May 23, 2023, 05:25:31 PM
I said £20m a few months ago and it got laughed at. I know he wasn't playing great but £20m seems to be the starting price nowadays.

You shouldn't have done. 30m would be great. Good form isn't enough, has he shown he is more than a 30m player since we've been in the PL? I don't think he has. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smithy on May 23, 2023, 09:48:32 PM
			

			

				A year ago, I imagine most fans wouldn't have been TOO unhappy to see McGinn go for £30m. He seemed like he'd plateaued, and was maybe even going backwards under Gerrard.

Well, I think we've all learned what a quality coach can do with an intelligent player who is willing to learn and commit to their methods.  McGinn has been excellent of late, maybe not as consistent as we'd like, but we're still a work in progress so that's to be expected.  He has shown he can step up and play a dominant role in a team playing the Emery way.  I'd be stunned if we entertained any offers for him.

There are about fifteen players I'd rather see leaving through the front door before we get to the current iteration of SJM!  Let's get some competition for him, sure, but let him go? Not a chance.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Grocer on May 23, 2023, 10:00:49 PM
			

			

				Absolutely no way I'd sell McGinn. He's been class this calendar year. As well as his excellent drive, energy and skill, I'm fairly sure he is a key positive influence among the squad. He also has the ability to perform specific roles, like he did on Dan Burn and also Kane. Doesn't mean he should be a definite starter, but we should certainly not be looking to sell him.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on May 23, 2023, 10:22:11 PM
			

			

				Fantastic squad player. Don’t sell him unless it’s a ridiculous fee or a great swap. He has been excellent the second half of this season. We need reliable players within the squad and he is just that. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on May 23, 2023, 10:27:43 PM
			

			

				It's Dendoncker we need to be upgrading.  We should be able to rotate 4 quality central midfielders, especially if we're intending to compete on multiple fronts.

The real priority though is attack - upgrading Bailey/Buendia/Traore/Coutinho.  The bulk of our budget should be spent here.  Eze and/or Asensio would be incredible business. Try to include Archer in the rotation/European games if we get there.

Then maybe a right back if Emery doesn't like Cash.  It's a shame Kyle Walker is back in favour at Man City, as he'd have been an ambitious pick-up.

Then another central midfielder as above.

And a reserve goalie to replace bombscare Olsen.

To fill out the squad we shouldn't have to send as many out on loan - have Archer and Aaron Ramsey back in the fold as rotation/bench/Europe options.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on May 23, 2023, 10:30:39 PM
			

			

				The Donk was such a strange buy. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on May 23, 2023, 10:44:01 PM
			

			

				I think Donk has done enough to justify his signing, he's had a couple of bad games but in general has been a solid and dependable option when Kamara or Luiz have been unavailable or needing a rest. We probably do need better if we want to be rotating but he's proven worth his fee, especially given we'll get most of back if we move him on.  That said I'd be ok keeping him as 4th choice for another season becaues I think he's a decent option covering in defence as well.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on May 23, 2023, 10:53:08 PM
			

			

				I would love Dani Olmo at Villa.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on May 23, 2023, 11:03:54 PM
			

			

				McGinn has been superb since he came back from injury and has been playing in a position that really suits him.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on May 23, 2023, 11:11:50 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on May 23, 2023, 02:11:33 PM
It's a no from me as well, he's reasonably tidy but there's no chance he's getting into our team ahead of Luiz or Kamara, I'd prefer any new signings to be at least challenging to start in our best team.

More broadly, and I know it's not entirely fair, but most teams that get relegated do so because they lose the midfield battle, I'd not want a centre mid from any of the teams down the bottom, same reason I'd dodge JWP as well.

Roy Keane did ok at Forest back in the day. There is plenty of good players in poor teams, put them in the right environment and they can thrive. Our disgrace of a team that went down had likes of Gueye, Veretout, Grealish, Ayew...all did well afterwards. We also had likes of Gabby and Richards who didn't. 

I don't think JWP is good enough for us, Douglas Luiz is far superior (3 yrs younger) and he would be too expensive as a backup. JWP will get a PL gig elsewhere though. I like Adams, good player and we need cover there. Better fit for us than JWP. Kamara has missed a lot of football this season. Don't think the Donk has really done enough to suggest he will be anywhere near pushing Kamara or Luiz. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on May 23, 2023, 11:38:22 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: brontebilly on May 23, 2023, 11:11:50 PM
Quote from: paul_e on May 23, 2023, 02:11:33 PM
It's a no from me as well, he's reasonably tidy but there's no chance he's getting into our team ahead of Luiz or Kamara, I'd prefer any new signings to be at least challenging to start in our best team.

More broadly, and I know it's not entirely fair, but most teams that get relegated do so because they lose the midfield battle, I'd not want a centre mid from any of the teams down the bottom, same reason I'd dodge JWP as well.

Roy Keane did ok at Forest back in the day. There is plenty of good players in poor teams, put them in the right environment and they can thrive. Our disgrace of a team that went down had likes of Gueye, Veretout, Grealish, Ayew...all did well afterwards. We also had likes of Gabby and Richards who didn't. 

I don't think JWP is good enough for us, Douglas Luiz is far superior (3 yrs younger) and he would be too expensive as a backup. JWP will get a PL gig elsewhere though. I like Adams, good player and we need cover there. Better fit for us than JWP. Kamara has missed a lot of football this season. Don't think the Donk has really done enough to suggest he will be anywhere near pushing Kamara or Luiz.

Che Adams? Am I living in a different fucking universe or something. Some of you lot are thinking we're still 16th I swear to god 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: TonyD on May 23, 2023, 11:51:34 PM
			

			

				Barnes would be a good buy. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 23, 2023, 11:58:07 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: coreyfeldman on May 23, 2023, 11:38:22 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on May 23, 2023, 11:11:50 PM
Quote from: paul_e on May 23, 2023, 02:11:33 PM
It's a no from me as well, he's reasonably tidy but there's no chance he's getting into our team ahead of Luiz or Kamara, I'd prefer any new signings to be at least challenging to start in our best team.

More broadly, and I know it's not entirely fair, but most teams that get relegated do so because they lose the midfield battle, I'd not want a centre mid from any of the teams down the bottom, same reason I'd dodge JWP as well.

Roy Keane did ok at Forest back in the day. There is plenty of good players in poor teams, put them in the right environment and they can thrive. Our disgrace of a team that went down had likes of Gueye, Veretout, Grealish, Ayew...all did well afterwards. We also had likes of Gabby and Richards who didn't. 

I don't think JWP is good enough for us, Douglas Luiz is far superior (3 yrs younger) and he would be too expensive as a backup. JWP will get a PL gig elsewhere though. I like Adams, good player and we need cover there. Better fit for us than JWP. Kamara has missed a lot of football this season. Don't think the Donk has really done enough to suggest he will be anywhere near pushing Kamara or Luiz.

Che Adams? Am I living in a different fucking universe or something. Some of you lot are thinking we're still 16th I swear to god

Tyler Adams was being discussed earlier.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: danno on May 24, 2023, 12:02:32 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: TonyD on May 23, 2023, 11:51:34 PM
Barnes would be a good buy.

We’d have to hold and give, and bid at the right time.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on May 24, 2023, 12:32:24 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on May 23, 2023, 11:58:07 PM
Quote from: coreyfeldman on May 23, 2023, 11:38:22 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on May 23, 2023, 11:11:50 PM
Quote from: paul_e on May 23, 2023, 02:11:33 PM
It's a no from me as well, he's reasonably tidy but there's no chance he's getting into our team ahead of Luiz or Kamara, I'd prefer any new signings to be at least challenging to start in our best team.

More broadly, and I know it's not entirely fair, but most teams that get relegated do so because they lose the midfield battle, I'd not want a centre mid from any of the teams down the bottom, same reason I'd dodge JWP as well.

Roy Keane did ok at Forest back in the day. There is plenty of good players in poor teams, put them in the right environment and they can thrive. Our disgrace of a team that went down had likes of Gueye, Veretout, Grealish, Ayew...all did well afterwards. We also had likes of Gabby and Richards who didn't. 

I don't think JWP is good enough for us, Douglas Luiz is far superior (3 yrs younger) and he would be too expensive as a backup. JWP will get a PL gig elsewhere though. I like Adams, good player and we need cover there. Better fit for us than JWP. Kamara has missed a lot of football this season. Don't think the Donk has really done enough to suggest he will be anywhere near pushing Kamara or Luiz.

Che Adams? Am I living in a different fucking universe or something. Some of you lot are thinking we're still 16th I swear to god

Tyler Adams was being discussed earlier.

Reaction isn't dissimilar 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on May 24, 2023, 05:34:24 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: danno on May 24, 2023, 12:02:32 AM
Quote from: TonyD on May 23, 2023, 11:51:34 PM
Barnes would be a good buy.

We’d have to hold and give, and bid at the right time.
We could bid slow or fast, but we must get in before the (dead) line
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on May 24, 2023, 07:01:58 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: TonyD on May 23, 2023, 11:51:34 PM
Barnes would be a good buy.
Not convinced, quick but a limited footballer, would be an upgrade on Bert and Bailey but not much.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LukeJames on May 24, 2023, 07:46:18 AM
			

			

				Barnes always looks great against us, I've never really payed much attention to him in other games.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on May 24, 2023, 08:38:02 AM
			

			

				Just seen Rangers are releasing Moreles and Kent, could've picked up two bargains there if carpethead was still here.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on May 24, 2023, 08:49:04 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: LukeJames on May 24, 2023, 07:46:18 AM
Barnes always looks great against us, I've never really payed much attention to him in other games.

Got a good scoring record this season for a wide player in a poor team. I think he’d be good but expensive.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on May 24, 2023, 08:50:54 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on May 24, 2023, 08:49:04 AM
Quote from: LukeJames on May 24, 2023, 07:46:18 AM
Barnes always looks great against us, I've never really payed much attention to him in other games.

Got a good scoring record this season for a wide player in a poor team. I think he’d be good but expensive.

12 goals I think, not shabby at all.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on May 24, 2023, 08:52:13 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on May 24, 2023, 08:50:54 AM
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on May 24, 2023, 08:49:04 AM
Quote from: LukeJames on May 24, 2023, 07:46:18 AM
Barnes always looks great against us, I've never really payed much attention to him in other games.

Got a good scoring record this season for a wide player in a poor team. I think he’d be good but expensive.

12 goals I think, not shabby at all.

Indeed. Certainly be an upgrade on anything we’ve got out wide.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on May 24, 2023, 08:54:56 AM
			

			

				That Barnes goal against us was wonderful. It doesn't really show up much on the replays, but I was almost directly in line with that shot and I was convinced that was wide until it went in. I think Martinez thought he'd covered it too, so subtle. Had to marvel it at the time instead of being pissed off, which says it all.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 24, 2023, 09:01:43 AM
			

			

				I rate Barnes, but can imagine there will be competition and a huge price tag because he's English
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 24, 2023, 09:36:57 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on May 24, 2023, 08:38:02 AM
Just seen Rangers are releasing Moreles and Kent, could've picked up two bargains there if carpethead was still here.

Morelas is an absolute basket case 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: The Man With A Stick on May 24, 2023, 09:40:25 AM
			

			

				Of all the players we should be looking to sell, McGinn in probably in the bottom 2%.  His arse is worth £30 million on its own.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on May 24, 2023, 09:45:23 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: The Man With A Stick on May 24, 2023, 09:40:25 AM
Of all the players we should be looking to sell, McGinn in probably in the bottom 2%.  His arse is worth £30 million on its own.
One cheek
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 24, 2023, 09:46:23 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on May 24, 2023, 09:36:57 AM
Quote from: LeeB on May 24, 2023, 08:38:02 AM
Just seen Rangers are releasing Moreles and Kent, could've picked up two bargains there if carpethead was still here.

Morelas is an absolute basket case 

He's barmy. Defenders in the Premier League would easily wind him up, he'd be suspended for half the season.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on May 24, 2023, 09:47:08 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on May 24, 2023, 08:54:56 AM
That Barnes goal against us was wonderful. It doesn't really show up much on the replays, but I was almost directly in line with that shot and I was convinced that was wide until it went in. I think Martinez thought he'd covered it too, so subtle. Had to marvel it at the time instead of being pissed off, which says it all.

It was a beauty, the pass, the way he controlled it, took a touch and finished was sublime. For me it reminds me of how good we were defensively at the time; we'd not conceded in ages and it took something that brilliant to breach our goal. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on May 24, 2023, 09:51:26 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on May 24, 2023, 09:47:08 AM
Quote from: Dogtanian on May 24, 2023, 08:54:56 AM
That Barnes goal against us was wonderful. It doesn't really show up much on the replays, but I was almost directly in line with that shot and I was convinced that was wide until it went in. I think Martinez thought he'd covered it too, so subtle. Had to marvel it at the time instead of being pissed off, which says it all.

It was a beauty, the pass, the way he controlled it, took a touch and finished was sublime. For me it reminds me of how good we were defensively at the time; we'd not conceded in ages and it took something that brilliant to breach our goal.
and a 38 year old right back.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Stinkin_Thinkin on May 24, 2023, 10:05:15 AM
			

			

				If Villa were looking to sell one player for big money that wouldn't negatively  impact on the team (in the way seling judas grealish done us for two season) it would probably be cash. 
Losing Martinez, Kamara Watkins or McGinn would defiantly weaken Villa but if a £60m bid came through on the fax for Matt, I'd probably cash in.
He's high profile, played against the big guns at the world cup and didn't disgrace himself, but doesn't get in the Villa team much. Also you'd get big fee due to the English player tax. Keep the FFP lords at bay.
Of course the problem is the guy keeping him out the team is knocking on 40, has he got enough in the tank for another season? You might be looking at having to bring two RB's in. 

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on May 24, 2023, 10:16:02 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Stinkin_Thinkin on May 24, 2023, 10:05:15 AM
If Villa were looking to sell one player for big money that wouldn't negatively  impact on the team (in the way seling judas grealish done us for two season) it would probably be cash. 
Losing Martinez, Kamara Watkins or McGinn would defiantly weaken Villa but if a £60m bid came through on the fax for Matt, I'd probably cash in.
He's high profile, played against the big guns at the world cup and didn't disgrace himself, but doesn't get in the Villa team much. Also you'd get big fee due to the English player tax. Keep the FFP lords at bay.
Of course the problem is the guy keeping him out the team is knocking on 40, has he got enough in the tank for another season? You might be looking at having to bring two RB's in. 


Buendia as well. I'd be sad to see Cash go, but it's his injuries that worry me more than his ability to adapt to Emery's style of play.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dicedlam on May 24, 2023, 10:26:22 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Stinkin_Thinkin on May 24, 2023, 10:05:15 AM
If Villa were looking to sell one player for big money that wouldn't negatively  impact on the team (in the way seling judas grealish done us for two season) it would probably be cash. 
Losing Martinez, Kamara Watkins or McGinn would defiantly weaken Villa but if a £60m bid came through on the fax for Matt, I'd probably cash in.
He's high profile, played against the big guns at the world cup and didn't disgrace himself, but doesn't get in the Villa team much. Also you'd get big fee due to the English player tax. Keep the FFP lords at bay.
Of course the problem is the guy keeping him out the team is knocking on 40, has he got enough in the tank for another season? You might be looking at having to bring two RB's in. 


£60 million is a bit steep to pay for Cash. More in the £40m - £45m bracket I reckon.

Buendia if we could recoup and a little bit more than what we paid.

Watkins if we were offered silly money around the £80m mark.

Absolute no,no, for Martinez, Mings, Kamara, Luiz.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on May 24, 2023, 10:35:59 AM
			

			

				I think Arse will come in for Watkins and at 65+ he goes.
Martinez likely to be targeted by Manure Chelsea, if they can raise cash from other sales.
If they don’t I think he stays.
I think Bailey will stay as Emery can see that he can open up defences, he doesn’t do it enough but with 5 subs it’s less of a risk.
Most likely leavers Donk Chambers Bert.
Counts ?


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on May 24, 2023, 10:44:57 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ChicagoLion on May 24, 2023, 10:35:59 AM
I think Arse will come in for Watkins and at 65+ he goes.
Martinez likely to be targeted by Manure Chelsea, if they can raise cash from other sales.
If they don’t I think he stays.
I think Bailey will stay as Emery can see that he can open up defences, he doesn’t do it enough but with 5 subs it’s less of a risk.
Most likely leavers Donk Chambers Bert.
Counts ?



They could raise the Titanic, he's going nowhere
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on May 24, 2023, 10:45:07 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Stinkin_Thinkin on May 24, 2023, 10:05:15 AM
If Villa were looking to sell one player for big money that wouldn't negatively  impact on the team (in the way seling judas grealish done us for two season) it would probably be cash. 
Losing Martinez, Kamara Watkins or McGinn would defiantly weaken Villa but if a £60m bid came through on the fax for Matt, I'd probably cash in.
He's high profile, played against the big guns at the world cup and didn't disgrace himself, but doesn't get in the Villa team much. Also you'd get big fee due to the English player tax. Keep the FFP lords at bay.
Of course the problem is the guy keeping him out the team is knocking on 40, has he got enough in the tank for another season? You might be looking at having to bring two RB's in.

If we were offered £60m for Matty Cash there would be no probably about it!!  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Axl Rose on May 24, 2023, 10:57:37 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ChicagoLion on May 24, 2023, 09:51:26 AM
Quote from: Drummond on May 24, 2023, 09:47:08 AM
Quote from: Dogtanian on May 24, 2023, 08:54:56 AM
That Barnes goal against us was wonderful. It doesn't really show up much on the replays, but I was almost directly in line with that shot and I was convinced that was wide until it went in. I think Martinez thought he'd covered it too, so subtle. Had to marvel it at the time instead of being pissed off, which says it all.

It was a beauty, the pass, the way he controlled it, took a touch and finished was sublime. For me it reminds me of how good we were defensively at the time; we'd not conceded in ages and it took something that brilliant to breach our goal.
and a 38 year old right back.

Yes!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on May 24, 2023, 11:41:41 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ChicagoLion on May 24, 2023, 09:51:26 AM
Quote from: Drummond on May 24, 2023, 09:47:08 AM
Quote from: Dogtanian on May 24, 2023, 08:54:56 AM
That Barnes goal against us was wonderful. It doesn't really show up much on the replays, but I was almost directly in line with that shot and I was convinced that was wide until it went in. I think Martinez thought he'd covered it too, so subtle. Had to marvel it at the time instead of being pissed off, which says it all.

It was a beauty, the pass, the way he controlled it, took a touch and finished was sublime. For me it reminds me of how good we were defensively at the time; we'd not conceded in ages and it took something that brilliant to breach our goal.
and a 38 year old right back.

Not until July. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on May 24, 2023, 11:46:19 AM
			

			

				You get the feeling Cash has struggled to adjust to what Emery wants him to do and it wouldn't be a surprise if we sold him and then bought a Walker-Pieters or someone of that ilk (there's been a few links to Dumfries too). His value has probably fallen as he's not a mainstay in the team like he used to be. Probably more like £25m. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smithy on May 24, 2023, 11:47:06 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on May 24, 2023, 11:41:41 AM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on May 24, 2023, 09:51:26 AM
Quote from: Drummond on May 24, 2023, 09:47:08 AM
Quote from: Dogtanian on May 24, 2023, 08:54:56 AM
That Barnes goal against us was wonderful. It doesn't really show up much on the replays, but I was almost directly in line with that shot and I was convinced that was wide until it went in. I think Martinez thought he'd covered it too, so subtle. Had to marvel it at the time instead of being pissed off, which says it all.

It was a beauty, the pass, the way he controlled it, took a touch and finished was sublime. For me it reminds me of how good we were defensively at the time; we'd not conceded in ages and it took something that brilliant to breach our goal.
and a 38 year old right back.

Not until July. 

What's happened to Kessler Hayden? Big things were expected of him after his first couple of loans, but seems to have dropped off everyone's radar this season.  Injury? Loss of form? Just plateaued?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on May 24, 2023, 12:09:36 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on May 24, 2023, 11:46:19 AM
You get the feeling Cash has struggled to adjust to what Emery wants him to do and it wouldn't be a surprise if we sold him and then bought a Walker-Pieters or someone of that ilk (there's been a few links to Dumfries too). His value has probably fallen as he's not a mainstay in the team like he used to be. Probably more like £25m. 

He's been out of the team because of getting a break after the world cup and being injured, when he's been fit he's played so I don't understand why so many have bought into the footy conspiracy that he's not smart enough for Emery.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on May 24, 2023, 12:15:09 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on May 24, 2023, 12:09:36 PM
Quote from: OCD on May 24, 2023, 11:46:19 AM
You get the feeling Cash has struggled to adjust to what Emery wants him to do and it wouldn't be a surprise if we sold him and then bought a Walker-Pieters or someone of that ilk (there's been a few links to Dumfries too). His value has probably fallen as he's not a mainstay in the team like he used to be. Probably more like £25m. 

He's been out of the team because of getting a break after the world cup and being injured, when he's been fit he's played so I don't understand why so many have bought into the footy conspiracy that he's not smart enough for Emery.

I was going to say Paul, he was out the team as he was injured and also having to play catch up with everyone else to the new managers methods, he was effectively 6 weeks behind everyone else on that.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on May 24, 2023, 12:15:14 PM
			

			

				Ashley was embarassingly swatted away by Barnes. I don't want us relying on him and Cash if we're looking to win the league. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on May 24, 2023, 12:15:58 PM
			

			

				Yes Paul, i read some of the comments above about not being in the team and likewise thought that it's because he's been injured. He's a good player, if a stupid offer came in then fair enough but otherwise i'd definitely keep him. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on May 24, 2023, 12:37:39 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on May 24, 2023, 12:09:36 PM
Quote from: OCD on May 24, 2023, 11:46:19 AM
You get the feeling Cash has struggled to adjust to what Emery wants him to do and it wouldn't be a surprise if we sold him and then bought a Walker-Pieters or someone of that ilk (there's been a few links to Dumfries too). His value has probably fallen as he's not a mainstay in the team like he used to be. Probably more like £25m. 

He's been out of the team because of getting a break after the world cup and being injured, when he's been fit he's played so I don't understand why so many have bought into the footy conspiracy that he's not smart enough for Emery.

Of course, but bare in mind the context of the post came after a few pages of discussing saleable assets and how much Cash might be worth. 

One of Emery's tactics he uses to protect a lead is to put Ash on at right back and move Cash to right midfield. That still says to me that Emery sees Cash as he's attack-minded full-back and that he'll look to bring in someone who's better defensively. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on May 24, 2023, 12:54:22 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on May 24, 2023, 12:37:39 PM
Quote from: paul_e on May 24, 2023, 12:09:36 PM
Quote from: OCD on May 24, 2023, 11:46:19 AM
You get the feeling Cash has struggled to adjust to what Emery wants him to do and it wouldn't be a surprise if we sold him and then bought a Walker-Pieters or someone of that ilk (there's been a few links to Dumfries too). His value has probably fallen as he's not a mainstay in the team like he used to be. Probably more like £25m. 

He's been out of the team because of getting a break after the world cup and being injured, when he's been fit he's played so I don't understand why so many have bought into the footy conspiracy that he's not smart enough for Emery.

Of course, but bare in mind the context of the post came after a few pages of discussing saleable assets and how much Cash might be worth. 

One of Emery's tactics he uses to protect a lead is to put Ash on at right back and move Cash to right midfield. That still says to me that Emery sees Cash as he's attack-minded full-back and that he'll look to bring in someone who's better defensively. 

I don't disagree that he might be the best option to sell to bring in a bit of profit I just think the bold bit is unfair. For example you say one tactic is to move Cash into midfield in front of Ash but at the weekend we did the opposite and had Ash in front until he had to go to left back. More importantly I don't think they've played together enough for us to draw any real conclusion either way, it's happened in about 3-4 games and for a total of about 2 hours of game time.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on May 24, 2023, 01:07:22 PM
			

			

				I can only comment on what I've seen so far. Cash did need a little longer to adjust but that was because he was away at the World Cup and missed some crucial training that benefitted others. Then when he took the first choice right back spot back, he got injured and missed a fair few games. It remains to be seen but hard to just say that on a discussion forum. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SamTheMouse on May 24, 2023, 01:12:05 PM
			

			

				Cash is crap going forward. He can't cross to save his life. Great athleticism and pace defensively, though.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on May 24, 2023, 01:26:48 PM
			

			

				Just to wind back a bit, if people think he's a good fit to bring in some extra funds and be upgraded then fine but lets not make that decision based on a myth that Emery has been reluctant to play him, when he's been fit and available he's generally started games, despite Young being in fantastic form when he's deputised.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on May 24, 2023, 01:43:44 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on May 24, 2023, 01:26:48 PM
Just to wind back a bit, if people think he's a good fit to bring in some extra funds and be upgraded then fine but lets not make that decision based on a myth that Emery has been reluctant to play him, when he's been fit and available he's generally started games, despite Young being in fantastic form when he's deputised.

There have been rumours that Emery doesn't really fancy him and he could be moving on in the summer for some time now.  Young has played ahead of him most of the time since he got back from the World Cup and seems to be the number one choice at RB.  

I like Matty Cash and he has done well for us, but I just can't help but feel that he falls into the category of players that need upgrading if we are to really progress.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on May 24, 2023, 02:40:12 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 24, 2023, 01:43:44 PM
Quote from: paul_e on May 24, 2023, 01:26:48 PM
Just to wind back a bit, if people think he's a good fit to bring in some extra funds and be upgraded then fine but lets not make that decision based on a myth that Emery has been reluctant to play him, when he's been fit and available he's generally started games, despite Young being in fantastic form when he's deputised.

There have been rumours that Emery doesn't really fancy him and he could be moving on in the summer for some time now.  Young has played ahead of him most of the time since he got back from the World Cup and seems to be the number one choice at RB.  

I like Matty Cash and he has done well for us, but I just can't help but feel that he falls into the category of players that need upgrading if we are to really progress.

This just isn't true. Since the world cup Cash has 7 starts, has been on the bench 6 times and come on in 5 of those (Liverpool as the first game back being the exception), has missed 8 games through injury and wasn't in the squad for 1 game (against Leeds). Given most people thought Young was playing well over Christmas it taking 6 games for Cash to get into the side is no great shock but since he started at Arsenal the only game he's been fit for and hasn't started was Tottenham when he was coming back from injury. As I say, the idea Emery has been not playing him is a myth that doesn't hold up to any analysis.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on May 24, 2023, 03:37:18 PM
			

			

				The Independent saying we are apparently leading the race for Harvey Barnes. I wouldn't mind this at the right price.

In his last four Prem seasons, he's got 56 goal contributions, one every 1.7 matches on minutes played. 

Compare that with Bailey - 11 goal contributions in last two Prem seasons one every 2.7 matches on minutes played.

The only issue for me would be the price. He's still got a couple of years on his contract, so you'd think Leicester will be looking to cash in as much as they can when the other decent players are all up sooner.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on May 24, 2023, 04:12:55 PM
			

			

				Can’t see why Cash wouldn’t be suitable for football, for me, he’s very similar to Moreno on the other side who the manager actually bought in as his pick


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 24, 2023, 04:37:56 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on May 24, 2023, 02:40:12 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 24, 2023, 01:43:44 PM
Quote from: paul_e on May 24, 2023, 01:26:48 PM
Just to wind back a bit, if people think he's a good fit to bring in some extra funds and be upgraded then fine but lets not make that decision based on a myth that Emery has been reluctant to play him, when he's been fit and available he's generally started games, despite Young being in fantastic form when he's deputised.

There have been rumours that Emery doesn't really fancy him and he could be moving on in the summer for some time now.  Young has played ahead of him most of the time since he got back from the World Cup and seems to be the number one choice at RB.  

I like Matty Cash and he has done well for us, but I just can't help but feel that he falls into the category of players that need upgrading if we are to really progress.

This just isn't true. Since the world cup Cash has 7 starts, has been on the bench 6 times and come on in 5 of those (Liverpool as the first game back being the exception), has missed 8 games through injury and wasn't in the squad for 1 game (against Leeds). Given most people thought Young was playing well over Christmas it taking 6 games for Cash to get into the side is no great shock but since he started at Arsenal the only game he's been fit for and hasn't started was Tottenham when he was coming back from injury. As I say, the idea Emery has been not playing him is a myth that doesn't hold up to any analysis.

Thanks for doing the research and saving me posting Paul. This is exactly what I was thinking while being too lazy to find the evidence.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on May 24, 2023, 05:21:59 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on May 24, 2023, 02:40:12 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 24, 2023, 01:43:44 PM
Quote from: paul_e on May 24, 2023, 01:26:48 PM
Just to wind back a bit, if people think he's a good fit to bring in some extra funds and be upgraded then fine but lets not make that decision based on a myth that Emery has been reluctant to play him, when he's been fit and available he's generally started games, despite Young being in fantastic form when he's deputised.

There have been rumours that Emery doesn't really fancy him and he could be moving on in the summer for some time now.  Young has played ahead of him most of the time since he got back from the World Cup and seems to be the number one choice at RB.  

I like Matty Cash and he has done well for us, but I just can't help but feel that he falls into the category of players that need upgrading if we are to really progress.

This just isn't true. Since the world cup Cash has 7 starts, has been on the bench 6 times and come on in 5 of those (Liverpool as the first game back being the exception), has missed 8 games through injury and wasn't in the squad for 1 game (against Leeds). Given most people thought Young was playing well over Christmas it taking 6 games for Cash to get into the side is no great shock but since he started at Arsenal the only game he's been fit for and hasn't started was Tottenham when he was coming back from injury. As I say, the idea Emery has been not playing him is a myth that doesn't hold up to any analysis.

You haven’t included Ashley Young’s availability in your analysis Paul and if he was being rested when Cash has started.  I still think we would see Young starting on Sunday if both were fit and available.

As I say, I have got no issues with Matty Cash at all.  He has done well for us, but as I say, we just might need better in that position if we are to progress further.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on May 24, 2023, 05:51:44 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 24, 2023, 05:21:59 PM
Quote from: paul_e on May 24, 2023, 02:40:12 PM
This just isn't true. Since the world cup Cash has 7 starts, has been on the bench 6 times and come on in 5 of those (Liverpool as the first game back being the exception), has missed 8 games through injury and wasn't in the squad for 1 game (against Leeds). Given most people thought Young was playing well over Christmas it taking 6 games for Cash to get into the side is no great shock but since he started at Arsenal the only game he's been fit for and hasn't started was Tottenham when he was coming back from injury. As I say, the idea Emery has been not playing him is a myth that doesn't hold up to any analysis.

You haven’t included Ashley Young’s availability in your analysis Paul and if he was being rested when Cash has started.  I still think we would see Young starting on Sunday if both were fit and available.

As I say, I have got no issues with Marty Cash at all.  He has done well for us, but as I say, we just might need better in that position if we are to progress further.

Indeed I haven't because there isn't a single game where Young hasn't been in the matchday squad, I have no idea if the games he didn't start were him being rested or Cash being preferred and that's kinda my point. I'm being semantic but I'm fed up of this lazy idea that Emery doesn't like Cash. On here it's about 90% due to a load of bollocks that footy posted on about 6 different threads between the world cup and Cash getting back into the team. 

What really happened is Cash went to the world cup, missed a lot of training and arrived back at the club a few days before the Liverpool match so Young started and played well, so he kept the shirt for a few games whilst ash settled back in and got used to playing in what was clearly a revamped defensive shape (as shown by the vast improvement in our defence since christmas). Once he was fit and prepared he got into the team until he picked up an injury. That's it, there's no need for conspiracy theories or nonsense about footballing intelligence.

That out of the way I do agree that after replacing Buendia and/or Bailey the next spot on the list where we can upgrade might be Cash (Konsa is the other option) but if we don't and instead we sign options that rotate with them I'd be happy with that as well.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on May 24, 2023, 06:00:48 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on May 24, 2023, 05:51:44 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 24, 2023, 05:21:59 PM
Quote from: paul_e on May 24, 2023, 02:40:12 PM
This just isn't true. Since the world cup Cash has 7 starts, has been on the bench 6 times and come on in 5 of those (Liverpool as the first game back being the exception), has missed 8 games through injury and wasn't in the squad for 1 game (against Leeds). Given most people thought Young was playing well over Christmas it taking 6 games for Cash to get into the side is no great shock but since he started at Arsenal the only game he's been fit for and hasn't started was Tottenham when he was coming back from injury. As I say, the idea Emery has been not playing him is a myth that doesn't hold up to any analysis.

You haven’t included Ashley Young’s availability in your analysis Paul and if he was being rested when Cash has started.  I still think we would see Young starting on Sunday if both were fit and available.

As I say, I have got no issues with Marty Cash at all.  He has done well for us, but as I say, we just might need better in that position if we are to progress further.

Indeed I haven't because there isn't a single game where Young hasn't been in the matchday squad, I have no idea if the games he didn't start were him being rested or Cash being preferred and that's kinda my point. I'm being semantic but I'm fed up of this lazy idea that Emery doesn't like Cash. On here it's about 90% due to a load of bollocks that footy posted on about 6 different threads between the world cup and Cash getting back into the team.

What really happened is Cash went to the world cup, missed a lot of training and arrived back at the club a few days before the Liverpool match so Young started and played well, so he kept the shirt for a few games whilst ash settled back in and got used to playing in what was clearly a revamped defensive shape (as shown by the vast improvement in our defence since christmas). Once he was fit and prepared he got into the team until he picked up an injury. That's it, there's no need for conspiracy theories or nonsense about footballing intelligence.

That out of the way I do agree that after replacing Buendia and/or Bailey the next spot on the list where we can upgrade might be Cash (Konsa is the other option) but if we don't and instead we sign options that rotate with them I'd be happy with that as well.

The bit in bold is harsh. I certainly don't base my opinions on the crap Footie comes out with. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Martyn Smith on May 24, 2023, 06:06:05 PM
			

			

				Firminio would seem to be a decent fit for us but he's got CL clubs making eyes at him. According to BBC Football gossip
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on May 24, 2023, 06:24:59 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: john e on May 24, 2023, 04:12:55 PM
Can’t see why Cash wouldn’t be suitable for football, for me, he’s very similar to Moreno on the other side who the manager actually bought in as his pick



I agree John. Cash's crossing isn't the best, but crossing doesn't appear to be a big part of how Emery sets up, so I can't see that that really matters. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 24, 2023, 06:35:19 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on May 24, 2023, 06:24:59 PM
Quote from: john e on May 24, 2023, 04:12:55 PM
Can’t see why Cash wouldn’t be suitable for football, for me, he’s very similar to Moreno on the other side who the manager actually bought in as his pick



I agree John. Cash's crossing isn't the best, but crossing doesn't appear to be a big part of how Emery sets up, so I can't see that that really matters. 

And thank the sweet baby Jesus for that. For years, perhaps even decades, I've been heartily sick of seeing us cross pointless balls into an opposition box containing six defenders and one diminutive striker. Tedious, ugly and counterproductive.

I think I'm having that last sentence as my new LinkedIn bio.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on May 24, 2023, 06:38:48 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on May 24, 2023, 06:00:48 PM
The bit in bold is harsh. I certainly don't base my opinions on the crap Footie comes out with. 

Maybe but he was throwing that around so much that some things, like Young being first choice when both are fit and available, has turned into a fact for some when it's nothing of the sort. I don't think it's that people have read it and agreed but more that they see Young in the team and the drip feed of made up nonsense makes people notice it more.

You can see the same with his "Emery and Martinez don't like each other" myth where he was genuinely arguing that Olsen would be first choice (and then back-tracked massively when it turned out Olsen was just as shit as we thought and he was only playing because Martinez was unavailable).  It means when people see stories linking Martinez to shit like Tottenham and Chelsea they start to think it might happen despite everything Emi says about the club and the fact that he's openly (and I suspect partially in jest) tapping up players like Dybala and Messi for us.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on May 24, 2023, 07:07:36 PM
			

			

				The gutter press are still using that line about Martinez. Gets on my nerves. I've stopped reading any of the stuff about him leaving. I just don't buy into it until I see some actual evidence to that (which hopefully I won't). 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on May 24, 2023, 07:16:42 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on May 24, 2023, 06:38:48 PM
Quote from: OCD on May 24, 2023, 06:00:48 PM
The bit in bold is harsh. I certainly don't base my opinions on the crap Footie comes out with. 

but more that they see Young in the team and the drip feed of made up nonsense makes people notice it more.


Drip feed? More like a fucking avalanche.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 24, 2023, 08:39:31 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: SamTheMouse on May 24, 2023, 01:12:05 PM
Cash is crap going forward. He can't cross to save his life. Great athleticism and pace defensively, though.

What you have described arguably complements Moreno on the other side, Cash sits whilst Moreno bombs forward.  He just needs more time under Emery’s coaching.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on May 24, 2023, 09:09:13 PM
			

			

				Cash hasn’t really had a sustained period of playing under Emery. The WC and then injuries have disrupted his development. Long term is like him to stay ideally as a back up to a proper top RB who naturally plays the Emery way. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on May 24, 2023, 09:15:35 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on May 24, 2023, 03:37:18 PM
The Independent saying we are apparently leading the race for Harvey Barnes. I wouldn't mind this at the right price.

In his last four Prem seasons, he's got 56 goal contributions, one every 1.7 matches on minutes played. 

Compare that with Bailey - 11 goal contributions in last two Prem seasons one every 2.7 matches on minutes played.

The only issue for me would be the price. He's still got a couple of years on his contract, so you'd think Leicester will be looking to cash in as much as they can when the other decent players are all up sooner.
id be all over this - hes scored 12 in 33 for Leicester, Watkins is 14 in 36.  I think he would be a great addition, with very little risk and I think he would fit Unai's style. 

FWIW - think cash doea too.  Before hes last injury I thought his last couple of performances were some of his best for us. 

Crossing is poor - but I think that can be worked on.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SoccerHQ on May 24, 2023, 11:08:50 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on May 24, 2023, 11:46:19 AM
You get the feeling Cash has struggled to adjust to what Emery wants him to do and it wouldn't be a surprise if we sold him and then bought a Walker-Pieters or someone of that ilk (there's been a few links to Dumfries too). His value has probably fallen as he's not a mainstay in the team like he used to be. Probably more like £25m. 

Since joining us Cashy has played in a very strong defensive season (20/21), become a senior international and started knock out game in World cup and will have played nearly 30 times in team who will hopefully make europe.

Not sure how that's only added 5m or so to his transfer value and I imagine we'll have to pay Forest a little extra if we do qualify for Europa.

Man. United probably sell Wan Bisaaka for 30-35m so Cash imo is in that price bracket now.

He's generally started pretty much every game for Emery he's been fit for and we've kept many clean sheets so at worst he's a squad player next season but I do think he still has a decent part to play. Emery put him in at Anfield and balanced it up with Digne as more conservative of the two so that probably gives you a hint of the profile of RB we want in the summer e.g. more of a conservative one.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SoccerHQ on May 24, 2023, 11:12:44 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on May 24, 2023, 12:54:22 PM
Quote from: OCD on May 24, 2023, 12:37:39 PM
Quote from: paul_e on May 24, 2023, 12:09:36 PM
Quote from: OCD on May 24, 2023, 11:46:19 AM
You get the feeling Cash has struggled to adjust to what Emery wants him to do and it wouldn't be a surprise if we sold him and then bought a Walker-Pieters or someone of that ilk (there's been a few links to Dumfries too). His value has probably fallen as he's not a mainstay in the team like he used to be. Probably more like £25m. 

He's been out of the team because of getting a break after the world cup and being injured, when he's been fit he's played so I don't understand why so many have bought into the footy conspiracy that he's not smart enough for Emery.

Of course, but bare in mind the context of the post came after a few pages of discussing saleable assets and how much Cash might be worth. 

One of Emery's tactics he uses to protect a lead is to put Ash on at right back and move Cash to right midfield. That still says to me that Emery sees Cash as he's attack-minded full-back and that he'll look to bring in someone who's better defensively. 

I don't disagree that he might be the best option to sell to bring in a bit of profit I just think the bold bit is unfair. For example you say one tactic is to move Cash into midfield in front of Ash but at the weekend we did the opposite and had Ash in front until he had to go to left back. More importantly I don't think they've played together enough for us to draw any real conclusion either way, it's happened in about 3-4 games and for a total of about 2 hours of game time.

Wasn't it Wolves at home when we started Cash at right midfield and that was probably Emery's worst tactical move since joining as we barely had a kick in the first hour and thankfully that experiment was never repeated from the start.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on May 25, 2023, 12:16:07 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on May 24, 2023, 05:51:44 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 24, 2023, 05:21:59 PM
Quote from: paul_e on May 24, 2023, 02:40:12 PM
This just isn't true. Since the world cup Cash has 7 starts, has been on the bench 6 times and come on in 5 of those (Liverpool as the first game back being the exception), has missed 8 games through injury and wasn't in the squad for 1 game (against Leeds). Given most people thought Young was playing well over Christmas it taking 6 games for Cash to get into the side is no great shock but since he started at Arsenal the only game he's been fit for and hasn't started was Tottenham when he was coming back from injury. As I say, the idea Emery has been not playing him is a myth that doesn't hold up to any analysis.

You haven’t included Ashley Young’s availability in your analysis Paul and if he was being rested when Cash has started.  I still think we would see Young starting on Sunday if both were fit and available.

As I say, I have got no issues with Marty Cash at all.  He has done well for us, but as I say, we just might need better in that position if we are to progress further.

Indeed I haven't because there isn't a single game where Young hasn't been in the matchday squad, I have no idea if the games he didn't start were him being rested or Cash being preferred and that's kinda my point. I'm being semantic but I'm fed up of this lazy idea that Emery doesn't like Cash. On here it's about 90% due to a load of bollocks that footy posted on about 6 different threads between the world cup and Cash getting back into the team. 

What really happened is Cash went to the world cup, missed a lot of training and arrived back at the club a few days before the Liverpool match so Young started and played well, so he kept the shirt for a few games whilst ash settled back in and got used to playing in what was clearly a revamped defensive shape (as shown by the vast improvement in our defence since christmas). Once he was fit and prepared he got into the team until he picked up an injury. That's it, there's no need for conspiracy theories or nonsense about footballing intelligence.

That out of the way I do agree that after replacing Buendia and/or Bailey the next spot on the list where we can upgrade might be Cash (Konsa is the other option) but if we don't and instead we sign options that rotate with them I'd be happy with that as well.

Some fair points there Paul.  As I say, I have no issues at all with Matty Cash and the need for a right back with a similar attacking flair to Moreno is somewhat reduced given that we do play with a wide right attacking player at times.  

Wouldn't be at all bothered if we started next season with him and Ashley Young as our RB options, but just have a hunch that we may listen to offers for him and Digne should they come in.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on May 25, 2023, 01:51:03 AM
			

			

				Cash and Young are not a RB duo that will get us into the top six, imo. Lacks dynamism, its a bit MON 2009. Get rid of one and get someone more technical like Moreno in, so we have aggressive attacking and solid defensive options on both sides. Digne's wages will probably keep him here but he can be solid for us and still offer something in attack.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on May 25, 2023, 06:09:44 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on May 25, 2023, 01:51:03 AM
Cash and Young are not a RB duo that will get us into the top six, imo. Lacks dynamism, its a bit MON 2009. Get rid of one and get someone more technical like Moreno in, so we have aggressive attacking and solid defensive options on both sides. Digne's wages will probably keep him here but he can be solid for us and still offer something in attack.

Yet here we are, with them as our options, sitting 7th, and top 3 on form since the manager arrived. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on May 25, 2023, 06:29:34 AM
			

			

				My concern with Cash is that he is sometimes  reckless, gets caught wrong side and gives away unnecessary free kicks.
I think RB is a position we need to upgrade.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on May 25, 2023, 07:34:45 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: SoccerHQ on May 24, 2023, 11:12:44 PM
Quote from: paul_e on May 24, 2023, 12:54:22 PM
Quote from: OCD on May 24, 2023, 12:37:39 PM
Quote from: paul_e on May 24, 2023, 12:09:36 PM
Quote from: OCD on May 24, 2023, 11:46:19 AM
You get the feeling Cash has struggled to adjust to what Emery wants him to do and it wouldn't be a surprise if we sold him and then bought a Walker-Pieters or someone of that ilk (there's been a few links to Dumfries too). His value has probably fallen as he's not a mainstay in the team like he used to be. Probably more like £25m. 

He's been out of the team because of getting a break after the world cup and being injured, when he's been fit he's played so I don't understand why so many have bought into the footy conspiracy that he's not smart enough for Emery.

Of course, but bare in mind the context of the post came after a few pages of discussing saleable assets and how much Cash might be worth. 

One of Emery's tactics he uses to protect a lead is to put Ash on at right back and move Cash to right midfield. That still says to me that Emery sees Cash as he's attack-minded full-back and that he'll look to bring in someone who's better defensively. 

I don't disagree that he might be the best option to sell to bring in a bit of profit I just think the bold bit is unfair. For example you say one tactic is to move Cash into midfield in front of Ash but at the weekend we did the opposite and had Ash in front until he had to go to left back. More importantly I don't think they've played together enough for us to draw any real conclusion either way, it's happened in about 3-4 games and for a total of about 2 hours of game time.

Wasn't it Wolves at home when we started Cash at right midfield and that was probably Emery's worst tactical move since joining as we barely had a kick in the first hour and thankfully that experiment was never repeated from the start.
I take your Cash at right midfield and raise you Olsen playing either cup game as the worst tactical move :-)


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on May 25, 2023, 08:43:36 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Gareth on May 23, 2023, 07:56:30 PM
Why are people trying to sell our captain? As for his goals record, unlike with Scotland his position isn’t about getting into the box all the time, last 3 months he has embraced Emery’s tactics more than anyone and has been absolutely excellent - totally not on the sales list for me.
Aston Villa want to secure the long-term futures of John McGinn and Ollie Watkins with new contracts before the transfer window opens next month.

Villa’s head coach, Unai Emery, has told the club that new contracts for the pair are crucial before next season when the expectation is that the club will push on to challenge the top six.



			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Mister E on May 25, 2023, 08:53:33 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on May 25, 2023, 01:51:03 AM
Cash and Young are not a RB duo that will get us into the top six, imo. Lacks dynamism, its a bit MON 2009. Get rid of one and get someone more technical like Moreno in, so we have aggressive attacking and solid defensive options on both sides. Digne's wages will probably keep him here but he can be solid for us and still offer something in attack.
Twp observations:
1. Young and Cash lacking dynamism is something I don't recognise. Both are pretty active and aggressive (when required); one is a former regular international and the other is a current regular pick for his (adopted) country; both sometimes get caught being too progressive. Emery may not actually be looking to emulate the left side of the pitch.
2. Digne has been a clear strategic sub during Emery's tenure: he is introduced into a game when Moreno has done his 60-70 minutes,  and he is played as a more defensive fullback. I think they may be a 'both / and', unless another club comes in with a deal for Digne that we could not turn down; or, Digne decides he needs to move on.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: rob_bridge on May 25, 2023, 09:18:25 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ChicagoLion on May 25, 2023, 06:29:34 AM
My concern with Cash is that he is sometimes  reckless, gets caught wrong side and gives away unnecessary free kicks.
I think RB is a position we need to upgrade.

Agree - like him as a footballer but he doesn't have a football brain to match. We were much better with Ash in the team. Even though he was playing behind Bailey mainly
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on May 25, 2023, 10:18:06 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on May 24, 2023, 03:37:18 PM
The Independent saying we are apparently leading the race for Harvey Barnes. I wouldn't mind this at the right price.

In his last four Prem seasons, he's got 56 goal contributions, one every 1.7 matches on minutes played. 

Compare that with Bailey - 11 goal contributions in last two Prem seasons one every 2.7 matches on minutes played.

The only issue for me would be the price. He's still got a couple of years on his contract, so you'd think Leicester will be looking to cash in as much as they can when the other decent players are all up sooner.

This season Harvey Barnes shots on target result in a goal 33% of the time
Leon Bailey 14% of the time.

Barnes scoring 1 in 3 times he finds the target is impressive.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on May 25, 2023, 10:25:03 AM
			

			

				Definitely would be an improvement. But not for the £50m being touted about.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: darren woolley on May 25, 2023, 10:26:15 AM
			

			

				Barnes would be a good signing for us.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on May 25, 2023, 10:31:10 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on May 25, 2023, 10:25:03 AM
Definitely would be an improvement. But not for the £50m being touted about.

There's definitely something to consider in the price the fact that he knows the league well, has a very good injury record and has improved his goal contributions year on year.

Someone like Neco williams or chukweze would be as expensive and much more of a risk imo
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on May 25, 2023, 10:36:39 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: coreyfeldman on May 25, 2023, 10:31:10 AM
Quote from: Dogtanian on May 25, 2023, 10:25:03 AM
Definitely would be an improvement. But not for the £50m being touted about.

There's definitely something to consider in the price the fact that he knows the league well, has a very good injury record and has improved his goal contributions year on year.

Someone like Neco williams or chukweze would be as expensive and much more of a risk imo
I think we could see some players move away from La Liga due to a ignorant element and racism.
Vinicus junior of Real Madrid was high profile situation most recently and spoke out.
A player who has been linked with Villa previously  in winter window and one I enjoy watching Lee Kang-in South Korean who is an attacking player . Well seems he wants out.
His release clause is reasonable at around a reported £15m-£25m
Unfortunately it's been reported that he endured racism and discrimination from coach and players.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: supertom on May 25, 2023, 10:38:28 AM
			

			

				Barnes would improve our squad and be a significant upgrade on Bailey and Bertie. But the price tag is excessive. In theory we could get two players as good with some good scouting abroad. Though, we do want to ensure we keep our Brit quota up too. For his numbers you'd probably pay the Brit player premium. Because we could go and get Barnesaldinho from Brazil at 20 mill and he can't hack the pace and physicality of the division. 

Lanzini I'd avoid, even on a free. When he plays regularly he's a useful player but he's had too many injury issues across the last four years (only one regular season within that) and he's now 30. We should be getting first-team players, not squad fillers. Effectively a few of our first 15-16 who aren't consistent enough get pushed down to the bench more and we improve the first 11. We need 4-5 outfielders in really, but they should all be first XI quality. Then we need a good back up keeper in addition. 

Bailey and Buendia still have something to offer but I think we need better to step into the starting 11 ahead of them. Troare can probably leave and maybe we bring Ramsey 2 in to the squad mix next season too. 


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Stinkin_Thinkin on May 25, 2023, 10:46:03 AM
			

			

				Barnes has got 12 prem goals in a struggling side from out wide. Bailey and Buendía have about 3 each. Barnes is a massive upgrade. Look at our goal difference we are 15 goals behind brighton, he's defiantly the fast ball carrier we need and get-able if they stay or go down, I don't think Newcastle would be interested as they've got Gordon and Issac.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: rob_bridge on May 25, 2023, 10:46:45 AM
			

			

				ST

Barnes is a Yes for me. Needs a new challenge. 

Lanzini no way.

I'd sell Bailey ahead of Bert to be honest
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Paul.S on May 25, 2023, 10:48:47 AM
			

			

				Does anyone know our current financial status regarding FFP?
If we have an insight into that then we can see how much we’ve got in the pot to spend. I’m seeing people say we’ve got north of £100m to spend but is this financially viable?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on May 25, 2023, 10:49:48 AM
			

			

				A definite yes to Barnes. He's a very good player, and I think he'd have a similar impact for us that Bowen has for West Ham. 


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on May 25, 2023, 10:54:06 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: rob_bridge on May 25, 2023, 10:46:45 AM
ST

Barnes is a Yes for me. Needs a new challenge. 

Lanzini no way.

I'd sell Bailey ahead of Bert to be honest

Traore's deal is up next season, I can't see them giving him a new contract unless he has a stormer next year. I can see him being loaned out or sold this summer.

Bailey speaks in glowing terms about Emery and how he coaches players and develops them, so at least he is engaged in the process and therefore has a chance to improve. He's not shown more consistency that Traore did when he signed, but he's the more valuable asset on the books.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on May 25, 2023, 11:05:37 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: supertom on May 25, 2023, 10:38:28 AM
Barnes would improve our squad and be a significant upgrade on Bailey and Bertie. But the price tag is excessive. In theory we could get two players as good with some good scouting abroad. Though, we do want to ensure we keep our Brit quota up too. For his numbers you'd probably pay the Brit player premium. Because we could go and get Barnesaldinho from Brazil at 20 mill and he can't hack the pace and physicality of the division. 

Lanzini I'd avoid, even on a free. When he plays regularly he's a useful player but he's had too many injury issues across the last four years (only one regular season within that) and he's now 30. We should be getting first-team players, not squad fillers. Effectively a few of our first 15-16 who aren't consistent enough get pushed down to the bench more and we improve the first 11. We need 4-5 outfielders in really, but they should all be first XI quality. Then we need a good back up keeper in addition. 

Bailey and Buendia still have something to offer but I think we need better to step into the starting 11 ahead of them. Troare can probably leave and maybe we bring Ramsey 2 in to the squad mix next season too.
Barnes plays predominantly left side !! 
So he would come in on that side we would think.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ian. on May 25, 2023, 11:07:05 AM
			

			

				I hope this is true regarding Barnes, he’s awesome, could be just what we need, something very different to what we have now. Fast, direct and consistently involved with goals.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brend'Watkins on May 25, 2023, 11:11:27 AM
			

			

				Barnes.  I'm not sure.  He's looked really good early season and he gets his share of goals  but can look ordinary at times or maybe in a struggling side looks ordinary. We do need a pacy winger and he fits that bill I suppose.  Is he £50M good though?  For that fee he should be an International squad player at least but has only the one senior cap to his name.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on May 25, 2023, 11:12:56 AM
			

			

				Imo Barnes is not going for 50 mil anyway, especially if they're relegated. Bailey was £30 million pounds don't forget. Christ 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: rob_bridge on May 25, 2023, 11:57:49 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: coreyfeldman on May 25, 2023, 11:12:56 AM
Imo Barnes is not going for 50 mil anyway, especially if they're relegated. Bailey was £30 million pounds don't forget. Christ

Leicester are in FFP trouble - it's a buyers market. Same goes for Dingles seemingly - not that I want their players. Everton too.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on May 25, 2023, 12:09:39 PM
			

			

				As much as i like Barnes and would be happy with us signing him i can't see it somehow. I reckon they'll be looking overseas moreso.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on May 25, 2023, 01:33:50 PM
			

			

				PSG in for Ugarte.. damn. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on May 25, 2023, 01:54:52 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brend'Watkins on May 25, 2023, 11:11:27 AM
Barnes.  I'm not sure.  He's looked really good early season and he gets his share of goals  but can look ordinary at times or maybe in a struggling side looks ordinary. We do need a pacy winger and he fits that bill I suppose.  Is he £50M good though?  For that fee he should be an International squad player at least but has only the one senior cap to his name.

YOu do know who the England manager is, right. That goofy twat who used to pick Sancho.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on May 25, 2023, 02:12:38 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: villadelph on May 25, 2023, 01:33:50 PM
PSG in for Ugarte.. damn. 

Weren't they supposed to be changing strategy to focus on young French players? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on May 25, 2023, 02:17:39 PM
			

			

				I have 2 concerns with Barnes.

Firstly he's pretty much only ever played as a left winger and our 'normal' shape for the last 6 months has used Moreno in that role with the left sided midfielder/wing drifting much more central and with a lot more defensive responsibility.
Secondly he blows hot and cold, on his day he's a great player who can score goals like the one against us, but he also has a lot of games where he does fuck all.

He's definitely better than Bailey but I'm not sure if he's so much better that we should change our way of playing to fit him in.

If you look on Leicester forums they're much more critical of him than you'd expect given his goal return.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SamTheMouse on May 25, 2023, 02:20:02 PM
			

			

				I agree with Paul.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on May 25, 2023, 02:29:32 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: SamTheMouse on May 25, 2023, 02:20:02 PM
I agree with Paul.
Same here.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on May 25, 2023, 02:34:56 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on May 25, 2023, 02:17:39 PM
I have 2 concerns with Barnes.

Firstly he's pretty much only ever played as a left winger and our 'normal' shape for the last 6 months has used Moreno in that role with the left sided midfielder/wing drifting much more central and with a lot more defensive responsibility.
Secondly he blows hot and cold, on his day he's a great player who can score goals like the one against us, but he also has a lot of games where he does fuck all.

He's definitely better than Bailey but I'm not sure if he's so much better that we should change our way of playing to fit him in.

If you look on Leicester forums they're much more critical of him than you'd expect given his goal return.

I wouldn't pay much heed to what the Leicester fans say. They hate all of their players at the moment, but if say Maddison goes to Newcastle I guarantee he'll be brilliant for them next season.  And with the formation, I think there's a big element of Emery having to work with what he's got, so we don't really know for sure what players he wants and how he'll line them up when he gets in his picks. The way that Emery has improved just about everybody (except Bailey) I wouldn't worry about him getting the best out of players including Barnes if he wants him.  If Barnes can get 12 goals but is shit for another 12 games, that's a big improvement on Bailey who is shit/injured 95% of the time and has got 5 goals in two years.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on May 25, 2023, 02:49:06 PM
			

			

				Whoever we sign, Emery and his coaches will make them into better players. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on May 25, 2023, 02:59:55 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on May 25, 2023, 02:34:56 PM
Quote from: paul_e on May 25, 2023, 02:17:39 PM
I have 2 concerns with Barnes.

Firstly he's pretty much only ever played as a left winger and our 'normal' shape for the last 6 months has used Moreno in that role with the left sided midfielder/wing drifting much more central and with a lot more defensive responsibility.
Secondly he blows hot and cold, on his day he's a great player who can score goals like the one against us, but he also has a lot of games where he does fuck all.

He's definitely better than Bailey but I'm not sure if he's so much better that we should change our way of playing to fit him in.

If you look on Leicester forums they're much more critical of him than you'd expect given his goal return.

I wouldn't pay much heed to what the Leicester fans say. They hate all of their players at the moment, but if say Maddison goes to Newcastle I guarantee he'll be brilliant for them next season.  And with the formation, I think there's a big element of Emery having to work with what he's got, so we don't really know for sure what players he wants and how he'll line them up when he gets in his picks. The way that Emery has improved just about everybody (except Bailey) I wouldn't worry about him getting the best out of players including Barnes if he wants him.  If Barnes can get 12 goals but is shit for another 12 games, that's a big improvement on Bailey who is shit/injured 95% of the time and has got 5 goals in two years.

Well yes but I'd rather someone who can get 10-12 goals and also puts a shift in and gets involved in play other than scoring goals in about 1 in 3. He might well be capable of improving and fixing those problems but If we're talking about him as the most expensive signing in our history by a fair distance I'd want more assurance than 'maybe Emery can make him work harder and improve his passing so he's contributes when he isn't scoring'. If they go down and we can get him for £25-30m then I'd be all for it, but even with a seemingly big budget this summer £50m is a huge investment and, because he's not got the versatility to cover other positions, we'd need to spend more to add depth elsewhere as well.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 25, 2023, 03:04:10 PM
			

			

				Yorkshire Evening post reporting we are looking at bringing in a cut-price Rodrigo from Leeds. Like all Villa transfers/rumours, Rodrigo has previously played for Emery. Leeds fans rate him but not as a lone striker. I still hope we bring in an alternative to Watkins. That's not to say Archer won't get minutes if we do. It would be negligent to start the season with just Watkins and Archer.

EDIT: Just discovered Rodrigo is 32 (THIRTY TWO). The same Rodrigo that signed for Benfica 14 years ago. Bloody hell. My guess is Footy is his agent.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on May 25, 2023, 03:04:36 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on May 25, 2023, 02:34:56 PM
Quote from: paul_e on May 25, 2023, 02:17:39 PM
I have 2 concerns with Barnes.

Firstly he's pretty much only ever played as a left winger and our 'normal' shape for the last 6 months has used Moreno in that role with the left sided midfielder/wing drifting much more central and with a lot more defensive responsibility.
Secondly he blows hot and cold, on his day he's a great player who can score goals like the one against us, but he also has a lot of games where he does fuck all.

He's definitely better than Bailey but I'm not sure if he's so much better that we should change our way of playing to fit him in.

If you look on Leicester forums they're much more critical of him than you'd expect given his goal return.

I wouldn't pay much heed to what the Leicester fans say. They hate all of their players at the moment, but if say Maddison goes to Newcastle I guarantee he'll be brilliant for them next season.  And with the formation, I think there's a big element of Emery having to work with what he's got, so we don't really know for sure what players he wants and how he'll line them up when he gets in his picks. The way that Emery has improved just about everybody (except Bailey) I wouldn't worry about him getting the best out of players including Barnes if he wants him.  If Barnes can get 12 goals but is shit for another 12 games, that's a big improvement on Bailey who is shit/injured 95% of the time and has got 5 goals in two years.

Buendia played out on that left side for a while, Ramsey there at the minute. Think Barnes would be ideal there though his workrate without the ball needs to improve a lot for what Emery demands. Gives us an option to rotate Ramsey into the centre a bit more. No reason why Barnes wouldn't be an option off Watkins either to compete with likes of Buendia. Seems a resilient sort in terms of PL games played over the last few years and scores a lot of goals. Our best play comes with quick transitions through midfield, he would be ideal for that.

It's a no brainer for me if we could get him. Think he has more scope to improve than Maddison for example. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on May 25, 2023, 03:06:01 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on May 25, 2023, 02:59:55 PM

Well yes but I'd rather someone who can get 10-12 goals and also puts a shift in and gets involved in play other than scoring goals in about 1 in 3. He might well be capable of improving and fixing those problems but If we're talking about him as the most expensive signing in our history by a fair distance I'd want more assurance than 'maybe Emery can make him work harder and improve his passing so he's contributes when he isn't scoring'. If they go down and we can get him for £25-30m then I'd be all for it, but even with a seemingly big budget this summer £50m is a huge investment and, because he's not got the versatility to cover other positions, we'd need to spend more to add depth elsewhere as well.

According to Whoscored, he's played just under half his games as an orthodox left winger, just over half as the attacking left sided player in a front three, and four games as a forward in a front two. I'm not sure what else he should be doing as an attacking player to be honest.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: jwarry on May 25, 2023, 03:07:24 PM
			

			

				Paul is right Leicester fans are very disappointed in Barnes.  They say he has talent but hasn’t a clue how to use it, lacks confidence and is generally a pussy.  Now if Unai can turn the likes of Luiz and Ramsey into world class players I’m sure he could do it with Barnes but I suspect he won’t want him as we will be recruiting to fit the team and even at his best he doesn’t fit 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 25, 2023, 03:09:57 PM
			

			

				Just out of interest, is there any of their players Leicester fans rate this season?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on May 25, 2023, 03:10:45 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on May 25, 2023, 03:09:57 PM
Just out of interest, is there any of their players Leicester fans rate this season?

Not that play for them, no.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on May 25, 2023, 03:11:49 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: jwarry on May 25, 2023, 03:07:24 PM
Paul is right Leicester fans are very disappointed in Barnes.  They say he has talent but hasn’t a clue how to use it, lacks confidence and is generally a pussy.  Now if Unai can turn the likes of Luiz and Ramsey into world class players I’m sure he could do it with Barnes but I suspect he won’t want him as we will be recruiting to fit the team and even at his best he doesn’t fit 

They're saying the same about all their players though.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 25, 2023, 03:13:46 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on May 25, 2023, 03:10:45 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on May 25, 2023, 03:09:57 PM
Just out of interest, is there any of their players Leicester fans rate this season?

Not that play for them, no.

Cheers Mr D. So Leicester fans think Barnes and all his teammates are crap? Maybe not the best source for judging a player right now. I like Barnes but he's not and never will be a physical bastard like Bowen.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on May 25, 2023, 03:25:51 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Mister E on May 25, 2023, 08:53:33 AM
Quote from: eamonn on May 25, 2023, 01:51:03 AM
Cash and Young are not a RB duo that will get us into the top six, imo. Lacks dynamism, its a bit MON 2009. Get rid of one and get someone more technical like Moreno in, so we have aggressive attacking and solid defensive options on both sides. Digne's wages will probably keep him here but he can be solid for us and still offer something in attack.
Twp observations:
1. Young and Cash lacking dynamism is something I don't recognise. Both are pretty active and aggressive (when required); one is a former regular international and the other is a current regular pick for his (adopted) country; both sometimes get caught being too progressive. Emery may not actually be looking to emulate the left side of the pitch.
2. Digne has been a clear strategic sub during Emery's tenure: he is introduced into a game when Moreno has done his 60-70 minutes,  and he is played as a more defensive fullback. I think they may be a 'both / and', unless another club comes in with a deal for Digne that we could not turn down; or, Digne decides he needs to move on.
I agree here.  I could see us sticking with Moreno/Digne on the left hand side for as long as both of those are happy in that role.

Could imagine next season us bringing in a second rightback to have a similar attacking/defensive pair on that right hand side, and keeping Ash about as a (highly versatile) squad option.  If we're in Europe, could see him hitting 20-odd games fairly comfortably.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on May 25, 2023, 03:35:23 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on May 25, 2023, 03:06:01 PM
Quote from: paul_e on May 25, 2023, 02:59:55 PM

Well yes but I'd rather someone who can get 10-12 goals and also puts a shift in and gets involved in play other than scoring goals in about 1 in 3. He might well be capable of improving and fixing those problems but If we're talking about him as the most expensive signing in our history by a fair distance I'd want more assurance than 'maybe Emery can make him work harder and improve his passing so he's contributes when he isn't scoring'. If they go down and we can get him for £25-30m then I'd be all for it, but even with a seemingly big budget this summer £50m is a huge investment and, because he's not got the versatility to cover other positions, we'd need to spend more to add depth elsewhere as well.

According to Whoscored, he's played just under half his games as an orthodox left winger, just over half as the attacking left sided player in a front three, and four games as a forward in a front two. I'm not sure what else he should be doing as an attacking player to be honest.

Crossing the ball more than 6 times all season?
Working to support his fullback?
Not regularly completing less than 60% of his passes?

Also, he's supposed to be on of the 2-3 best players in that team so why is 'in a struggling team' constantly used to defend him but he is absolved of any responsibility for them being a struggling team? He should've spent this season being a leader on the field but instead he's spend about half of their games having almost no impact on play.

I said earlier I'd take him for a lower fee but the more I look at it the less sure I am of even that, I'm just not convinced he's got the attitude or work ethic.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on May 25, 2023, 04:46:36 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on May 25, 2023, 03:04:10 PM
Yorkshire Evening post reporting we are looking at bringing in a cut-price Rodrigo from Leeds. Like all Villa transfers/rumours, Rodrigo has previously played for Emery. Leeds fans rate him but not as a lone striker. I still hope we bring in an alternative to Watkins. That's not to say Archer won't get minutes if we do. It would be negligent to start the season with just Watkins and Archer.

EDIT: Just discovered Rodrigo is 32 (THIRTY TWO). The same Rodrigo that signed for Benfica 14 years ago. Bloody hell. My guess is Footy is his agent.

Yes, I had proposed it the other day because Leeds' leading scorer had a fantastic year overall and is a seasoned pro.
If a player has the correct mentality and skills, I don't give a damn about their 30  plus age.  

A cut price Rodrigp Moreno or Ayoze Perez on a free transfer from Leicester, in my opinion, would be a solid squad addition for the season when competing in Europe.

People may laugh, but the wider picture must be considered. Emery would be able to get along well with these two players, who speak both Spanish and English but who provide value and have Prem experience and technicians 
 So signing either would be in addition not as a statement signing
As Villa will be looking at some names and more expensive players we are certain to recruit.




			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on May 25, 2023, 04:50:28 PM
			

			

				There is a good reason why we will not be signing Ayoze Perez 

He really is shit.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on May 25, 2023, 04:52:22 PM
			

			

				Where's Christ? is he pedalling fast?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on May 25, 2023, 05:05:56 PM
			

			

				Like I saw with Rodrigo, I can see us linked to Perez. Although its not like a major hope that either will be signed, in the context of the squad, we can't count either out being signed. There are some merits for discussion on either player and how they would fit.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: mallo on May 25, 2023, 05:20:06 PM
			

			

				Living in Geordieland as I do, when Leicester bought Ayoze Perez they all thought all Christmases had come at once - he was woeful.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on May 25, 2023, 05:22:43 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: mallo on May 25, 2023, 05:20:06 PM
Living in Geordieland as I do, when Leicester bought Ayoze Perez they all thought all Christmases had come at once - he was woeful.

I thought his best period came when he was managed by Rafa Benítez
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on May 25, 2023, 05:23:04 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: mallo on May 25, 2023, 05:20:06 PM
Living in Geordieland as I do, when Leicester bought Ayoze Perez they all thought all Christmases had come at once - he was woeful.
One of the most ineffective players I have ever seen.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on May 25, 2023, 05:23:15 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on May 25, 2023, 05:05:56 PM
Like I saw with Rodrigo, I can see us linked to Perez. Although its not like a major hope that either will be signed, in the context of the squad, we can't count either out being signed. There are some merits for discussion on either player and how they would fit.

Rodrigo would be a pretty useful squad player to come in across the front line, now that he's got used to the Premier League. Perez can be kept for spare parts in case any of our good players need a new kidney or something. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on May 25, 2023, 05:29:47 PM
			

			

				Literally, Perez is on a free, so that's where the suggestion comes from I wouldn't think much links without him being out if contract and not inclined for us to pay a transfer fee for likes of him but I have no qualms on a free move.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on May 25, 2023, 05:30:24 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on May 25, 2023, 05:29:47 PM
Literally, Perez is on a free, so that's where the suggestion comes from.


too expensive
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on May 25, 2023, 05:39:22 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on May 25, 2023, 05:29:47 PM
Literally, Perez is on a free, so that's where the suggestion comes from I wouldn't think much links without him being out if contract and not inclined for us to pay a transfer fee for likes of him but I have no qualms on a free move.
So a player that is so shit a relegation team sent him out on loan, he couldn’t get in the Leicester team but you persist with another of your bat shit crazy  theories and you wonder why people get pissed off with you.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on May 25, 2023, 05:40:20 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on May 25, 2023, 02:17:39 PM
I have 2 concerns with Barnes.

Firstly he's pretty much only ever played as a left winger and our 'normal' shape for the last 6 months has used Moreno in that role with the left sided midfielder/wing drifting much more central and with a lot more defensive responsibility.
Secondly he blows hot and cold, on his day he's a great player who can score goals like the one against us, but he also has a lot of games where he does fuck all.

He's definitely better than Bailey but I'm not sure if he's so much better that we should change our way of playing to fit him in.

If you look on Leicester forums they're much more critical of him than you'd expect given his goal return.

Agree Paul.  Leaving the left side clear for Moreno to move forward into seems to be a very deliberate tactic and I can't see that changing to be honest.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on May 25, 2023, 06:03:19 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ChicagoLion on May 25, 2023, 05:39:22 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on May 25, 2023, 05:29:47 PM
Literally, Perez is on a free, so that's where the suggestion comes from I wouldn't think much links without him being out if contract and not inclined for us to pay a transfer fee for likes of him but I have no qualms on a free move.
So a player that is so shit a relegation team sent him out on loan, he couldn’t get in the Leicester team but you persist with another of your bat shit crazy  theories and you wonder why people get pissed off with you.
Scored in Europa League at Man Utd for Betis 
And he's at Real Betis are 6th so not at Leicester is irrelevant
Even though there are better players, the connection is conceivable.
Even in terms of singing on a free its plausible as is my as thought that Perez can readily adapt to Emery and the league.

Remember that Villa have recent negotiating with Betis for a player and a coach.
Despite your dismissive tone, Benito, the chief scout at Betis, is currently at Villa, so it's not completely impossible due to the link. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on May 25, 2023, 06:03:46 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ChicagoLion on May 25, 2023, 05:39:22 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on May 25, 2023, 05:29:47 PM
Literally, Perez is on a free, so that's where the suggestion comes from I wouldn't think much links without him being out if contract and not inclined for us to pay a transfer fee for likes of him but I have no qualms on a free move.
So a player that is so shit a relegation team sent him out on loan, he couldn’t get in the Leicester team but you persist with another of your bat shit crazy  theories and you wonder why people get pissed off with you.

And happy to sell McGinn off. Absolutely bonkers. Would love to see Footy Vil squad written down
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on May 25, 2023, 06:05:39 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: coreyfeldman on May 25, 2023, 06:03:46 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on May 25, 2023, 05:39:22 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on May 25, 2023, 05:29:47 PM
Literally, Perez is on a free, so that's where the suggestion comes from I wouldn't think much links without him being out if contract and not inclined for us to pay a transfer fee for likes of him but I have no qualms on a free move.
So a player that is so shit a relegation team sent him out on loan, he couldn’t get in the Leicester team but you persist with another of your bat shit crazy  theories and you wonder why people get pissed off with you.

And happy to sell McGinn off. Absolutely bonkers. Would love to see Footy Vil squad written down
No incorrect. I said upgraded for a goal scoring midfielder but to be part of the squad. Others spoke of sales not I. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on May 25, 2023, 06:19:14 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on May 25, 2023, 06:03:19 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on May 25, 2023, 05:39:22 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on May 25, 2023, 05:29:47 PM
Literally, Perez is on a free, so that's where the suggestion comes from I wouldn't think much links without him being out if contract and not inclined for us to pay a transfer fee for likes of him but I have no qualms on a free move.
So a player that is so shit a relegation team sent him out on loan, he couldn’t get in the Leicester team but you persist with another of your bat shit crazy  theories and you wonder why people get pissed off with you.
Scored in Europa League at Man Utd for Betis 
And he's at Real Betis are 6th so not at Leicester is irrelevant
Even though there are better players, the connection is conceivable.
Even in terms of singing on a free its plausible as is my as thought that Perez can readily adapt to Emery and the league.

Remember that Villa have recent negotiating with Betis for a player and a coach.
Despite your dismissive tone, Benito, the chief scout at Betis, is currently at Villa, so it's not completely impossible due to the link. 

Ignore everything else trying to find connections, etc. Do you think he's good enough to have us challenging for the top 4? If not then he's not worth considering, that's the market we need to be looking at if we're going to move on from where we are now.

Personally I think he's nowhere near that standard, couldn't get into a team that are likely to go down and whilst Betis are doing ok his record of 2 in 19 is hardly evidence that he's just waiting for the right manager/club, especially given he'll be 30 by the start of the season. If we're signing players at that sort of age they need to improving our first 11 in my opinion, squad filler (except for a 2nd keeper) should generally be players who will potentially become first choice during their contract, and that means you want them to have time to improve.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on May 25, 2023, 06:20:08 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: coreyfeldman on May 25, 2023, 06:03:46 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on May 25, 2023, 05:39:22 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on May 25, 2023, 05:29:47 PM
Literally, Perez is on a free, so that's where the suggestion comes from I wouldn't think much links without him being out if contract and not inclined for us to pay a transfer fee for likes of him but I have no qualms on a free move.
So a player that is so shit a relegation team sent him out on loan, he couldn’t get in the Leicester team but you persist with another of your bat shit crazy  theories and you wonder why people get pissed off with you.

And happy to sell McGinn off. Absolutely bonkers. Would love to see Footy Vil squad written down
There is absolutely no point in debating with him, surprising he is allowed to trolll this obviously.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on May 25, 2023, 06:35:26 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ChicagoLion on May 25, 2023, 06:20:08 PM
There is absolutely no point in debating with him, surprising he is allowed to trolll this obviously.

At time of posting, he's broken no site rules so I'm not sure what exactly we should be stopping him from doing. 

If you feel that people shouldn't engage with him, can I respectfully suggest that you lead by example if it bothers you so much?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: KevinGage on May 25, 2023, 06:42:52 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on May 25, 2023, 10:25:03 AM
Definitely would be an improvement. But not for the £50m being touted about.

£40 millions - with add ons to take that closer to £50 milllion based on progress etc - makes more sense. 

We paid £35 million for Buendia, whose reputation was largely based on success in the Championship, let's not forget.  We won't be signing an English player with Barnes' profile for much less than that two years later - and with even more money sloshing around in the game. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on May 25, 2023, 06:46:22 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on May 25, 2023, 06:35:26 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on May 25, 2023, 06:20:08 PM
There is absolutely no point in debating with him, surprising he is allowed to trolll this obviously.

At time of posting, he's broken no site rules so I'm not sure what exactly we should be stopping him from doing. 

If you feel that people shouldn't engage with him, can I respectfully suggest that you lead by example if it bothers you so much?
People don't understand the point of the debate.
No, I don't believe Perez is among players that would make us top 4.
And although I've been making the case that it's feasible, I wasn't urging us to sign him. 
I was just pointing out that it's a possibility and it's a plausible signing on a free transfer. 
There will be no more Perez discussion from me. 


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: CT Villan on May 25, 2023, 06:55:05 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on May 25, 2023, 06:46:22 PM
I was just pointing out that it's a possibility and it's a plausible signing on a free transfer. 
 
I think there's more chance of Risso waking up tomorrow, and after a short period of introspection, deciding to dedicate the rest of his life to raising jazz awareness.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on May 25, 2023, 07:08:23 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on May 25, 2023, 06:35:26 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on May 25, 2023, 06:20:08 PM
There is absolutely no point in debating with him, surprising he is allowed to trolll this obviously.

At time of posting, he's broken no site rules so I'm not sure what exactly we should be stopping him from doing. 

If you feel that people shouldn't engage with him, can I respectfully suggest that you lead by example if it bothers you so much?
Sorry I thought trolling was, I guess it is a judgement as to wether it is trolling. But point taken.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 25, 2023, 07:20:32 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on May 25, 2023, 06:46:22 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 25, 2023, 06:35:26 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on May 25, 2023, 06:20:08 PM
There is absolutely no point in debating with him, surprising he is allowed to trolll this obviously.

At time of posting, he's broken no site rules so I'm not sure what exactly we should be stopping him from doing. 

If you feel that people shouldn't engage with him, can I respectfully suggest that you lead by example if it bothers you so much?
People don't understand the point of the debate.
No, I don't believe Perez is among players that would make us top 4.
And although I've been making the case that it's feasible, I wasn't urging us to sign him. 
I was just pointing out that it's a possibility and it's a plausible signing on a free transfer. 
There will be no more Perez discussion from me. 



You don't need to stop posting about Perez, Footy. You also don't need to be told what you can and can't post by me, or anyone else here (moderators excepted, obviously). It was a perfectly reasonable suggestion as something that 'could' happen. Keep going.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 25, 2023, 07:22:00 PM
			

			

				That experience negotiating with Betis is going to be really handy, given that he plays for Leicester.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: andyh on May 25, 2023, 07:23:33 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on May 25, 2023, 02:17:39 PM
I have 2 concerns with Barnes.

Firstly he's pretty much only ever played as a left winger and our 'normal' shape for the last 6 months has used Moreno in that role with the left sided midfielder/wing drifting much more central and with a lot more defensive responsibility.
Secondly he blows hot and cold, on his day he's a great player who can score goals like the one against us, but he also has a lot of games where he does fuck all.

He's definitely better than Bailey but I'm not sure if he's so much better that we should change our way of playing to fit him in.

If you look on Leicester forums they're much more critical of him than you'd expect given his goal return.
So, we would agree the kid has got obvious talent and potential but is a bit inconsistent?
Maybe, with the best manager in the world managing him, he could get that consistency and become the top quality wide player we desperately need?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LukeJames on May 25, 2023, 07:25:23 PM
			

			

				I have one big problem with Ayoze Perez, from this thread alone I've learned that hes Spanish and that he's played for 2 Premier League Clubs but other than that I couldn't tell you a thing about him, what type of player he is, what he's supposedly good at, what he's bad at, what he even looks like. I genuinely don't know who he is and for somebody that's been in the League for a while that's a big fuck off red flag.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on May 25, 2023, 07:25:45 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 25, 2023, 07:22:00 PM
That experience negotiating with Betis is going to be really handy, given that he plays for Leicester.

Do Leicester speak Spannish?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villa in Denmark on May 25, 2023, 08:01:20 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on May 25, 2023, 07:25:45 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 25, 2023, 07:22:00 PM
That experience negotiating with Betis is going to be really handy, given that he plays for Leicester.

Do Leicester speak Spannish?
They can barely speak English, duck.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on May 25, 2023, 08:11:22 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LukeJames on May 25, 2023, 07:25:23 PM
I have one big problem with Ayoze Perez, from this thread alone I've learned that hes Spanish and that he's played for 2 Premier League Clubs but other than that I couldn't tell you a thing about him, what type of player he is, what he's supposedly good at, what he's bad at, what he even looks like. I genuinely don't know who he is and for somebody that's been in the League for a while that's a big fuck off red flag.

Me too. I've heard the name but that's absolutely it. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on May 25, 2023, 08:16:58 PM
			

			

				I'd like us to spend big on Evan Ferguson.

Resale value and goals  8)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on May 25, 2023, 08:20:12 PM
			

			

				To get him you’d have to spend exceptionally big and given Brighton are in the Europa League I can’t see anyway he’d want to leave.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on May 25, 2023, 08:34:32 PM
			

			

				One of Man Utd's youth coaches described Evan Ferguson as a £60m mistake because they had him on trial there and chose not to give him a contract. 

Brighton have shown they can squeeze every drop out of transfer deals and then replace them. If they sell Mac Allister and Caceido this summer after selling Trossard in January, they won't be short of a few quid themselves. Buying from them probably isn't going to be getting the best value out of our budget. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on May 25, 2023, 08:51:44 PM
			

			

				I'd have Sancho as well. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: TonyD on May 25, 2023, 09:27:15 PM
			

			

				The most important thing this summer is to move Bailey out.   
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on May 25, 2023, 09:41:31 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: TonyD on May 25, 2023, 09:27:15 PM
The most important thing this summer is to move Bailey out. 

It really isn't. He may not be consistent in his final product but he causes teams all sorts of issues. If we qualify for Europe he'll be hugely useful. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: TonyD on May 25, 2023, 09:51:47 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on May 25, 2023, 09:41:31 PM
Quote from: TonyD on May 25, 2023, 09:27:15 PM
The most important thing this summer is to move Bailey out. 

It really isn't. He may not be consistent in his final product but he causes teams all sorts of issues. If we qualify for Europe he'll be hugely useful. 
He mostly drags us down.   
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on May 25, 2023, 09:57:41 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: TonyD on May 25, 2023, 09:51:47 PM
Quote from: Drummond on May 25, 2023, 09:41:31 PM
Quote from: TonyD on May 25, 2023, 09:27:15 PM
The most important thing this summer is to move Bailey out. 

It really isn't. He may not be consistent in his final product but he causes teams all sorts of issues. If we qualify for Europe he'll be hugely useful. 
He mostly drags us down. 

Decent backup for Nico Williams next season. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on May 25, 2023, 10:46:55 PM
			

			

				He's part of a team that's 3rd in the form table since November. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on May 25, 2023, 11:15:41 PM
			

			

				I expected Bailey to be a top player based on his reputation and his dad shouting his mouth off.

He's no better than El Ghazi.

Imagine Unai with El Ghazi. 20 goals a season I bet. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 26, 2023, 01:02:31 AM
			

			

				Bailey is absolutely one of the main players to upgrade upon this summer, that position is a clear weak link as he and Traore aren't anywhere near good enough for a team challenging for Europe, in my opinion. Every other position I think we have at least one decent player (although I'm not Cash's biggest fan so I'd want an RB).
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Axl Rose on May 26, 2023, 01:30:25 AM
			

			

				Who knows with Bailey. He might have a great summer and come back on fire next season. 

Doesn't do enough for me, but like Drummond said, he'd be hugely useful if we qualify for Europe.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: rooboy316 on May 26, 2023, 02:27:48 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Axl Rose on May 26, 2023, 01:30:25 AM
Who knows with Bailey. He might have a great summer and come back on fire next season. 

Doesn't do enough for me, but like Drummond said, he'd be hugely useful if we qualify for Europe.

I can see him do well as a bit of a 'flat-track bully' if we make Europe. With more time and space, he'll be more confident and hopefully replicate some of the Bundesliga form. I'd rather try to move Traore on, and get a first choice replacement in. Don't see Traore improving too much further, but Bailey might. Give him one more year as a squad option and then cut our losses if need be. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Duncan Shaw on May 26, 2023, 07:59:36 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on May 25, 2023, 11:15:41 PM
I expected Bailey to be a top player based on his reputation and his dad shouting his mouth off.

He's no better than El Ghazi.

Imagine Unai with El Ghazi. 20 goals a season I bet. 

I think you are right, El Ghazi would have improved massively under Unai.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on May 26, 2023, 08:03:11 AM
			

			

				It's a good point about El Ghazi under Emery.

I always thought his biggest problem was his decision making. He always took the option to shoot rather than set someone else up, so his goals were good but his assists were poor. I think with proper coaching his decision making would have improved and he'd have learned when to shoot and when to pass. His goals may have reduced a little, but his assists would have increased by a greater amount.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on May 26, 2023, 08:09:44 AM
			

			

				Dependent on how Sunday goes & the summer leads to Olsen being binned for a proper goalkeeper there is a realistic prospect of 20+ extra games next season so if that happens we will need 3/4 squad filler players to go alongside 3/4 big signings…Perez wouldn’t be one I’d look at personally as I actually think he is a downgrade on Traore let alone Bailey…however forwards across the line are the priority.

Would like a centre forward with a bit of size, physicality to compliment Watkins, Archer and Duran.

Wide forwards / #10’s are also needed, Bailey and Buendia as squad options sure, throw down the gauntlet to them both to be better…Bailey is anonymous way too often, Buendia doesn’t hide but he is dispossessed far far too easily too often.  Hopefully we are able to give Unai the options wide that he wants.  Traore and Coutinho to depart.


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on May 26, 2023, 08:20:54 AM
			

			

				El Ghazi was a very limited footballer, lacked awareness and never passed the ball.
I doubt even Emery could do much with that.
I also think Bailey will be here next season.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 26, 2023, 08:30:28 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on May 25, 2023, 10:46:55 PM
He's part of a team that's 3rd in the form table since November.

But by that logic none of them need replacing / could be improved on. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on May 26, 2023, 09:14:13 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 26, 2023, 08:30:28 AM
Quote from: Drummond on May 25, 2023, 10:46:55 PM
He's part of a team that's 3rd in the form table since November.

But by that logic none of them need replacing / could be improved on.
Some people thinking that we are getting in 4 or 5 first team level will be dissaponted.
It’s evolution not revolution.
I think it will be 2 or 3.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on May 26, 2023, 09:52:02 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 26, 2023, 08:30:28 AM
Quote from: Drummond on May 25, 2023, 10:46:55 PM
He's part of a team that's 3rd in the form table since November.

But by that logic none of them need replacing / could be improved on.

We need strength in depth, and we need improvements to get us finishing higher with (hopefully) more games in all the cup competitions.

I just don't think he's as bad as people are making out. He has a job and whilst much doesn't work, he also occupies the opposition a lot too. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Chris Smith on May 26, 2023, 10:36:07 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Axl Rose on May 26, 2023, 01:30:25 AM
Who knows with Bailey. He might have a great summer and come back on fire next season. 

Doesn't do enough for me, but like Drummond said, he'd be hugely useful if we qualify for Europe.

Bailey has had a couple of assists over recent games and his attacking play has clearly benefited from the level of coaching he has received. It’s also seen him start to trust his right foot a little more meaning he’s less easy to nullify. Still infuriates at times but is better player now than when Unai arrived.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on May 26, 2023, 11:50:12 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on May 25, 2023, 09:41:31 PM
Quote from: TonyD on May 25, 2023, 09:27:15 PM
The most important thing this summer is to move Bailey out. 

It really isn't. He may not be consistent in his final product but he causes teams all sorts of issues. If we qualify for Europe he'll be hugely useful. 

He's easily our worst player. If we're not going to upgrade Bailey as a start, who are we?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on May 26, 2023, 11:51:47 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Chris Smith on May 26, 2023, 10:36:07 AM
Quote from: Axl Rose on May 26, 2023, 01:30:25 AM
Who knows with Bailey. He might have a great summer and come back on fire next season. 

Doesn't do enough for me, but like Drummond said, he'd be hugely useful if we qualify for Europe.

Bailey has had a couple of assists over recent games and his attacking play has clearly benefited from the level of coaching he has received. It’s also seen him start to trust his right foot a little more meaning he’s less easy to nullify. Still infuriates at times but is better player now than when Unai arrived.

It's one goal and two assists since Christmas. A piss poor return, frankly.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on May 26, 2023, 11:58:52 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on May 26, 2023, 11:50:12 AM
Quote from: Drummond on May 25, 2023, 09:41:31 PM
Quote from: TonyD on May 25, 2023, 09:27:15 PM
The most important thing this summer is to move Bailey out. 

It really isn't. He may not be consistent in his final product but he causes teams all sorts of issues. If we qualify for Europe he'll be hugely useful. 

He's easily our worst player. If we're not going to upgrade Bailey as a start, who are we?

We've bemoaned the lack of options from the bench. My take is that we should recruit for the first team, and that might mean moving people to the bench, rather than shipping them out.

I'd say we need a couple of players if we're moving him on, but rather than doing that I think he can do a job from the bench.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on May 26, 2023, 11:59:34 AM
			

			

				Bailey is ok but to do better than 7th we need to score more and consistently. For that to happen we need better players than Bailey and dare I say Watkins. To starry with let’s get Chuckewze and Baena. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on May 26, 2023, 12:01:23 PM
			

			

				Emery has squeezed every last drop out of this current group. It’s an incredible achievement. But I can see us adding some quality at CB, a new RB, at least 1 in top player in midfield, a back up keeper, 1 or 2 wingers and proven striker. We will spend something in the region £200m. I imagine the likes of Bailey, Traore, Chambers, JPB, Dendoncker, Olsen even Buendia gone. Our squad is way too thin in terms of depth and genuine quality. It’s going to be a busy summer.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on May 26, 2023, 12:02:03 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on May 26, 2023, 11:51:47 AM
Quote from: Chris Smith on May 26, 2023, 10:36:07 AM
Quote from: Axl Rose on May 26, 2023, 01:30:25 AM
Who knows with Bailey. He might have a great summer and come back on fire next season. 

Doesn't do enough for me, but like Drummond said, he'd be hugely useful if we qualify for Europe.

Bailey has had a couple of assists over recent games and his attacking play has clearly benefited from the level of coaching he has received. It’s also seen him start to trust his right foot a little more meaning he’s less easy to nullify. Still infuriates at times but is better player now than when Unai arrived.

It's one goal and two assists since Christmas. A piss poor return, frankly.

We'd still need at least one more player in that position even if Bailey had had a great season, and I'd hope that pretty much anyone we buy is an upgrade on who they're replacing. 

I guess the calculation is do we buy someone else there AND keep Bailey in the hope that there's still something salvageable, or buy someone else, fob Bailey off to Ajax or Leipzig and likely still need to buy another player on top of that.

I'd be more inclined on the former, but wouldn't be devestated by the latter. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: TonyD on May 26, 2023, 12:04:26 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on May 26, 2023, 11:51:47 AM
Quote from: Chris Smith on May 26, 2023, 10:36:07 AM
Quote from: Axl Rose on May 26, 2023, 01:30:25 AM
Who knows with Bailey. He might have a great summer and come back on fire next season. 

Doesn't do enough for me, but like Drummond said, he'd be hugely useful if we qualify for Europe.

Bailey has had a couple of assists over recent games and his attacking play has clearly benefited from the level of coaching he has received. It’s also seen him start to trust his right foot a little more meaning he’s less easy to nullify. Still infuriates at times but is better player now than when Unai arrived.

It's one goal and two assists since Christmas. A piss poor return, frankly.
It’s also all the times the attacks break down because of him and how much he gives the ball away and that puts us under pressure.  He is 10% good - 90% pub player.   
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on May 26, 2023, 12:46:07 PM
			

			

				He hasn't squeezed anything out of Coutinho. And I'm not sure he's improved Buendia or Bailey that much. Actually, yeah, sack him.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on May 26, 2023, 12:50:29 PM
			

			

				Coutinho seems incapable of staying fit. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smithy on May 26, 2023, 12:57:35 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on May 26, 2023, 11:58:52 AM
Quote from: Risso on May 26, 2023, 11:50:12 AM
Quote from: Drummond on May 25, 2023, 09:41:31 PM
Quote from: TonyD on May 25, 2023, 09:27:15 PM
The most important thing this summer is to move Bailey out. 

It really isn't. He may not be consistent in his final product but he causes teams all sorts of issues. If we qualify for Europe he'll be hugely useful. 

He's easily our worst player. If we're not going to upgrade Bailey as a start, who are we?

We've bemoaned the lack of options from the bench. My take is that we should recruit for the first team, and that might mean moving people to the bench, rather than shipping them out.

I'd say we need a couple of players if we're moving him on, but rather than doing that I think he can do a job from the bench.

This is absolutely right.  Replace them with better players, absolutely, but move them to the bench, or even out of any given match day squad before they need to be let go.  Sure, if someone offers us our money back, snap their hands off, but we are in no rush get to rid of anyone - just to move them down the pecking order a bit.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on May 26, 2023, 01:12:25 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 26, 2023, 12:01:23 PM
Emery has squeezed every last drop out of this current group. It’s an incredible achievement. But I can see us adding some quality at CB, a new RB, at least 1 in top player in midfield, a back up keeper, 1 or 2 wingers and proven striker. We will spend something in the region £200m. I imagine the likes of Bailey, Traore, Chambers, JPB, Dendoncker, Olsen even Buendia gone. Our squad is way too thin in terms of depth and genuine quality. It’s going to be a busy summer.
I really do not think the upheaval will be that significant.
If there is good chemistry with the group then i do not believe Emery will want to disturb that.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on May 26, 2023, 01:16:32 PM
			

			

				I hope that our summer recruitment includes shipping Bailey out, and that we bring two players in who are better than him. He's completely dismal. He's a forward who hardly ever scores, and a winger who can't beat a man. We'd be better of with El Ghazi in the team.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on May 26, 2023, 01:29:05 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on May 26, 2023, 12:02:03 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 26, 2023, 11:51:47 AM
Quote from: Chris Smith on May 26, 2023, 10:36:07 AM
Quote from: Axl Rose on May 26, 2023, 01:30:25 AM
Who knows with Bailey. He might have a great summer and come back on fire next season. 

Doesn't do enough for me, but like Drummond said, he'd be hugely useful if we qualify for Europe.

Bailey has had a couple of assists over recent games and his attacking play has clearly benefited from the level of coaching he has received. It’s also seen him start to trust his right foot a little more meaning he’s less easy to nullify. Still infuriates at times but is better player now than when Unai arrived.

It's one goal and two assists since Christmas. A piss poor return, frankly.

We'd still need at least one more player in that position even if Bailey had had a great season, and I'd hope that pretty much anyone we buy is an upgrade on who they're replacing. 

I guess the calculation is do we buy someone else there AND keep Bailey in the hope that there's still something salvageable, or buy someone else, fob Bailey off to Ajax or Leipzig and likely still need to buy another player on top of that.

I'd be more inclined on the former, but wouldn't be devestated by the latter.

I suppose it's whether or not Traore is considered to be good enough as back up really.  If not, then Bailey could go to back up and a new player come in.

It's an interesting one really, as we don't always play with a wide player, so not sure that we will be spending top dollar on a wide player who isn't going to start every game.  Might be that we go for another forward who can also be employed there on the occasions that we play with a wide attacking player.  Either that or we bring in a lower profile wide player who is going to be content not starting every week.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on May 26, 2023, 01:42:42 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on May 26, 2023, 01:16:32 PM
I hope that our summer recruitment includes shipping Bailey out, and that we bring two players in who are better than him. He's completely dismal. He's a forward who hardly ever scores, and a winger who can't beat a man. We'd be better of with El Ghazi in the team.

and yet on Sofascore, whoscored and fotmob the rating difference between him and Harvey Barnes is tiny (it's about 0.2 on the latter but pretty much the same on the others).
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SamTheMouse on May 26, 2023, 01:51:58 PM
			

			

				Coutinho's made out of Hob-Nobs, the crumbly git.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on May 26, 2023, 01:55:06 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: SamTheMouse on May 26, 2023, 01:51:58 PM
Coutinho's made out of Hob-Nobs, the crumbly git.

Milk chocolate ones? He looks like he'd fit in a mug... 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on May 26, 2023, 01:56:38 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on May 26, 2023, 01:16:32 PM
I hope that our summer recruitment includes shipping Bailey out, and that we bring two players in who are better than him. He's completely dismal. He's a forward who hardly ever scores, and a winger who can't beat a man. We'd be better of with El Ghazi in the team.
I think wide forward, central forward/ number 10 and Right back are the essential needs.
Then its about strengthening the squad.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on May 26, 2023, 01:57:24 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on May 26, 2023, 01:42:42 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 26, 2023, 01:16:32 PM
I hope that our summer recruitment includes shipping Bailey out, and that we bring two players in who are better than him. He's completely dismal. He's a forward who hardly ever scores, and a winger who can't beat a man. We'd be better of with El Ghazi in the team.

and yet on Sofascore, whoscored and fotmob the rating difference between him and Harvey Barnes is tiny (it's about 0.2 on the latter but pretty much the same on the others).

Not sure about the reliability of your sources there.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SamTheMouse on May 26, 2023, 02:02:49 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on May 26, 2023, 01:55:06 PM
Quote from: SamTheMouse on May 26, 2023, 01:51:58 PM
Coutinho's made out of Hob-Nobs, the crumbly git.

Milk chocolate ones? He looks like he'd fit in a mug...

A Sports Direct one.

Actually, so would Mings.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on May 26, 2023, 02:42:04 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: SamTheMouse on May 26, 2023, 02:02:49 PM
Quote from: Dogtanian on May 26, 2023, 01:55:06 PM
Quote from: SamTheMouse on May 26, 2023, 01:51:58 PM
Coutinho's made out of Hob-Nobs, the crumbly git.

Milk chocolate ones? He looks like he'd fit in a mug...

A Sports Direct one.

Actually, so would Mings.

I like my players to be like my coffee, in a Sports Direct mug.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on May 26, 2023, 06:24:12 PM
			

			

				Mcginn wouldn't have even fitted in a Sports Direct mug a few months back apparently. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on May 26, 2023, 06:30:11 PM
			

			

				McGinn would get his choice of mugs round my house. Including any of my Villa ones or my fella’s Harry Potter owl thing.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 26, 2023, 07:40:29 PM
			

			

				
Quote
Aston Villa Latinoamérica
@AVFCLatam
🚨 ÚLTIMA HORA

ℹ️ Marco Asensio tiene “un pie y medio” fuera del Real Madrid.

📌 Se siente seducido por la oferta del Aston Villa.
@marca



Asensio has a foot-and-a-half outside Real Madrid.
He feels seduced by Aston Villa's offer.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on May 26, 2023, 07:43:05 PM
			

			

				Love being seduced. Aston Villa usually seduces me, kiss on the neck and nibble on my ear, then just as I get comfy and warm a swift kick in the bollocks. But I can't leave them.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 26, 2023, 07:51:45 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on May 26, 2023, 01:16:32 PM
I hope that our summer recruitment includes shipping Bailey out, and that we bring two players in who are better than him. He's completely dismal. He's a forward who hardly ever scores, and a winger who can't beat a man. We'd be better of with El Ghazi in the team.

There's insults, really nasty insults and there's the above. And besides, with Matt Target no longer here, who who El Ghazi pass back to?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on May 26, 2023, 07:59:41 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 26, 2023, 12:01:23 PM
Emery has squeezed every last drop out of this current group. It’s an incredible achievement. But I can see us adding some quality at CB, a new RB, at least 1 in top player in midfield, a back up keeper, 1 or 2 wingers and proven striker. We will spend something in the region £200m. I imagine the likes of Bailey, Traore, Chambers, JPB, Dendoncker, Olsen even Buendia gone. Our squad is way too thin in terms of depth and genuine quality. It’s going to be a busy summer.

I'd be stunned if we got near that.

Under 100m imo.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 26, 2023, 08:06:02 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: brontebilly on May 16, 2023, 08:52:03 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on May 15, 2023, 12:46:19 PM
Lo Celso getting linked again, Emery managed him at PSG and signed him twice for Villareal.

Flopped when last in PL though, lazy paper talk I hope.

I've been having a closer look at him since the links continue and I'm struggling to see how he's managed 40 caps for Argentina. Technically I was expecting a lot more and I can't see how he'd fit in, he's not a defensive midfielder, he's not a box to box midfielder and he's certainly not an attacking midfielder though he has played a few decent assists through. He reminds me of the hundreds of midfielders Spurs have wasted money on over the years, looks okay in flashes but paid too much and struggle to get rid of him. He's very Spursy.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on May 26, 2023, 08:25:15 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on May 26, 2023, 07:59:41 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 26, 2023, 12:01:23 PM
Emery has squeezed every last drop out of this current group. It’s an incredible achievement. But I can see us adding some quality at CB, a new RB, at least 1 in top player in midfield, a back up keeper, 1 or 2 wingers and proven striker. We will spend something in the region £200m. I imagine the likes of Bailey, Traore, Chambers, JPB, Dendoncker, Olsen even Buendia gone. Our squad is way too thin in terms of depth and genuine quality. It’s going to be a busy summer.


I'd be stunned if we got near that.

Under 100m imo.

what can you get for 100m nowadays if you are trying significantly improve the first team?

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 26, 2023, 08:45:46 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 26, 2023, 08:25:15 PM
Quote from: Smirker on May 26, 2023, 07:59:41 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 26, 2023, 12:01:23 PM
Emery has squeezed every last drop out of this current group. It’s an incredible achievement. But I can see us adding some quality at CB, a new RB, at least 1 in top player in midfield, a back up keeper, 1 or 2 wingers and proven striker. We will spend something in the region £200m. I imagine the likes of Bailey, Traore, Chambers, JPB, Dendoncker, Olsen even Buendia gone. Our squad is way too thin in terms of depth and genuine quality. It’s going to be a busy summer.


I'd be stunned if we got near that.

Under 100m imo.

what can you get for 100m nowadays if you are trying significantly improve the first team?

The Real Madrid guy is on a free isn’t he? Kamara significantly improved the team.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on May 26, 2023, 08:51:45 PM
			

			

				Not getting hopes up over Arsenio…think we will find ourselves being used as stalking horses for lots of players coming out of Spain with the Unai connection…would have expected Arsenio to be looking at a Champions League gig.

Would be happy to be proved wrong though :-)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 26, 2023, 08:57:19 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Gareth on May 26, 2023, 08:51:45 PM
Not getting hopes up over Arsenio…think we will find ourselves being used as stalking horses for lots of players coming out of Spain with the Unai connection…would have expected Arsenio to be looking at a Champions League gig.

Would be happy to be proved wrong though :-)

I only want Arsenio if Eddie Murphy is part of the deal.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on May 26, 2023, 09:11:51 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on May 26, 2023, 08:57:19 PM
Quote from: Gareth on May 26, 2023, 08:51:45 PM
Not getting hopes up over Arsenio…think we will find ourselves being used as stalking horses for lots of players coming out of Spain with the Unai connection…would have expected Arsenio to be looking at a Champions League gig.

Would be happy to be proved wrong though :-)

I only want Arsenio if Eddie Murphy is part of the deal.
Lol
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: curiousorange on May 26, 2023, 10:38:38 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 26, 2023, 08:25:15 PM
Quote from: Smirker on May 26, 2023, 07:59:41 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 26, 2023, 12:01:23 PM
Emery has squeezed every last drop out of this current group. It’s an incredible achievement. But I can see us adding some quality at CB, a new RB, at least 1 in top player in midfield, a back up keeper, 1 or 2 wingers and proven striker. We will spend something in the region £200m. I imagine the likes of Bailey, Traore, Chambers, JPB, Dendoncker, Olsen even Buendia gone. Our squad is way too thin in terms of depth and genuine quality. It’s going to be a busy summer.


I'd be stunned if we got near that.

Under 100m imo.

what can you get for 100m nowadays if you are trying significantly improve the first team?

Can't recall where I read it, but there's supposed to be a stronger correlation between the wage bill and league success than there is with transfer spend.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on May 26, 2023, 10:40:51 PM
			

			

				The same sources on Asensio are saying he's off to PSG.  Not quite as romantically nourished about the Villa offer as we thought. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 26, 2023, 10:46:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on May 26, 2023, 10:40:51 PM
The same sources on Asensio are saying he's off to PSG.  Not quite as romantically nourished about the Villa offer as we thought. 

The Parisiens have always had a bit more about them when it comes to romance than Brummies.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on May 26, 2023, 10:58:23 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on May 26, 2023, 10:46:18 PM
Quote from: Steve67 on May 26, 2023, 10:40:51 PM
The same sources on Asensio are saying he's off to PSG.  Not quite as romantically nourished about the Villa offer as we thought. 

The Parisiens have always had a bit more about them when it comes to romance than Brummies.

How very dare you sir! We have canals.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on May 26, 2023, 11:04:04 PM
			

			

				Meant to be seducing Dani Cabellos as well. If we do get 1 or 2 frees in that reduces the amount we probably need to spend. There could be 1 or 2 good value for money signings before we get into the big transfers too. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on May 26, 2023, 11:18:27 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: curiousorange on May 26, 2023, 10:38:38 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 26, 2023, 08:25:15 PM
Quote from: Smirker on May 26, 2023, 07:59:41 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 26, 2023, 12:01:23 PM
Emery has squeezed every last drop out of this current group. It’s an incredible achievement. But I can see us adding some quality at CB, a new RB, at least 1 in top player in midfield, a back up keeper, 1 or 2 wingers and proven striker. We will spend something in the region £200m. I imagine the likes of Bailey, Traore, Chambers, JPB, Dendoncker, Olsen even Buendia gone. Our squad is way too thin in terms of depth and genuine quality. It’s going to be a busy summer.


I'd be stunned if we got near that.

Under 100m imo.

what can you get for 100m nowadays if you are trying significantly improve the first team?

Can't recall where I read it, but there's supposed to be a stronger correlation between the wage bill and league success than there is with transfer spend.

Think it's in Why England Lose by Simon Kuper and Stefan Szymanski
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on May 27, 2023, 02:41:48 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on May 26, 2023, 11:18:27 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on May 26, 2023, 10:38:38 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 26, 2023, 08:25:15 PM
Quote from: Smirker on May 26, 2023, 07:59:41 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 26, 2023, 12:01:23 PM
Emery has squeezed every last drop out of this current group. It’s an incredible achievement. But I can see us adding some quality at CB, a new RB, at least 1 in top player in midfield, a back up keeper, 1 or 2 wingers and proven striker. We will spend something in the region £200m. I imagine the likes of Bailey, Traore, Chambers, JPB, Dendoncker, Olsen even Buendia gone. Our squad is way too thin in terms of depth and genuine quality. It’s going to be a busy summer.


I'd be stunned if we got near that.

Under 100m imo.

what can you get for 100m nowadays if you are trying significantly improve the first team?

Can't recall where I read it, but there's supposed to be a stronger correlation between the wage bill and league success than there is with transfer spend.

Think it's in Why England Lose by Simon Kuper and Stefan Szymanski

It's a good point.  I heard a manc presenter on the radio the other day saying that the accusations that Machester City have bought  their honours doesn't stack up as their net spend is similar to other clubs.  

What he failed to mention of course was the wages that they can pay enables them to keep their squad together and fends off interest from other clubs.  Very few, if any, other clubs have that luxury. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on May 27, 2023, 07:36:50 AM
			

			

				It’s possible that Bailey could come good, bit of a cliche but most wingers are inconsistent, Bailey more than others in that he’s inconsistent in the same game, flashes of skill but makes bad decisions. Emery could make him much better than he’s so far shown given full fitness. 

I think he’ll be here next season unless we can get most of our money back, also think we’ll bring someone in to challenge for that position 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Mister E on May 27, 2023, 08:18:35 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on May 26, 2023, 08:06:02 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on May 16, 2023, 08:52:03 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on May 15, 2023, 12:46:19 PM
Lo Celso getting linked again, Emery managed him at PSG and signed him twice for Villareal.

Flopped when last in PL though, lazy paper talk I hope.

I've been having a closer look at him since the links continue and I'm struggling to see how he's managed 40 caps for Argentina. Technically I was expecting a lot more and I can't see how he'd fit in, he's not a defensive midfielder, he's not a box to box midfielder and he's certainly not an attacking midfielder though he has played a few decent assists through. He reminds me of the hundreds of midfielders Spurs have wasted money on over the years, looks okay in flashes but paid too much and struggle to get rid of him. He's very Spursy.
 that's my memory of him, RCF
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on May 27, 2023, 08:28:47 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: PeterWithe on May 27, 2023, 07:36:50 AM
It’s possible that Bailey could come good, bit of a cliche but most wingers are inconsistent, Bailey more than others in that he’s inconsistent in the same game, flashes of skill but makes bad decisions. Emery could make him much better than he’s so far shown given full fitness. 

I think he’ll be here next season unless we can get most of our money back, also think we’ll bring someone in to challenge for that position

We were saying the same this time last year.  He's two years in now and is still far from convincing.  

I think we will see someone come in during the summer in that position, but not sure that will mean Bailey going.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on May 27, 2023, 09:40:01 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 26, 2023, 07:43:05 PM
Love being seduced. Aston Villa usually seduces me, kiss on the neck and nibble on my ear, then just as I get comfy and warm a swift kick in the bollocks. But I can't leave them.

I understand that you'll never leave 'em
But every now and then in the evening 
You could get it right first time 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on May 27, 2023, 09:47:23 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 27, 2023, 02:41:48 AM
Quote from: Dave on May 26, 2023, 11:18:27 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on May 26, 2023, 10:38:38 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 26, 2023, 08:25:15 PM
Quote from: Smirker on May 26, 2023, 07:59:41 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 26, 2023, 12:01:23 PM
Emery has squeezed every last drop out of this current group. It’s an incredible achievement. But I can see us adding some quality at CB, a new RB, at least 1 in top player in midfield, a back up keeper, 1 or 2 wingers and proven striker. We will spend something in the region £200m. I imagine the likes of Bailey, Traore, Chambers, JPB, Dendoncker, Olsen even Buendia gone. Our squad is way too thin in terms of depth and genuine quality. It’s going to be a busy summer.


I'd be stunned if we got near that.

Under 100m imo.

what can you get for 100m nowadays if you are trying significantly improve the first team?

Can't recall where I read it, but there's supposed to be a stronger correlation between the wage bill and league success than there is with transfer spend.

Think it's in Why England Lose by Simon Kuper and Stefan Szymanski

It's a good point.  I heard a manc presenter on the radio the other day saying that the accusations that Machester City have bought  their honours doesn't stack up as their net spend is similar to other clubs.  

What he failed to mention of course was the wages that they can pay enables them to keep their squad together and fends off interest from other clubs.  Very few, if any, other clubs have that luxury.
And then there are the UAE banking arrangements allegedly 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 27, 2023, 09:54:18 AM
			

			

				Re the salary bits. 

De Bruyne is on 380k a week. That’s where the iffy money comes in, not just transfer spend. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on May 27, 2023, 10:17:21 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 27, 2023, 09:54:18 AM
Re the salary bits. 

De Bruyne is on 380k a week. That’s where the iffy money comes in, not just transfer spend. 

I heard Robotron is on around 900k a week
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on May 27, 2023, 10:17:49 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 27, 2023, 09:54:18 AM
Re the salary bits. 

De Bruyne is on 380k a week. That’s where the iffy money comes in, not just transfer spend.

Yep. It's being able to keep your best players for a prolonged period that's the key and as you say, where the financial advantages really come in.

I think the relative decline of Real Madrid and Barcelona has helped as they were the two that the even the biggest English clubs couldn't compete with in terms of attracting players.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on May 27, 2023, 06:35:57 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on May 27, 2023, 09:40:01 AM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 26, 2023, 07:43:05 PM
Love being seduced. Aston Villa usually seduces me, kiss on the neck and nibble on my ear, then just as I get comfy and warm a swift kick in the bollocks. But I can't leave them.

I understand that you'll never leave 'em
But every now and then in the evening 
You could get it right first time

 ;D Awesomeness.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on May 27, 2023, 07:05:29 PM
			

			

				Links to Ibrahima Bamba, who plays for our sister club Vitoria. 21-year Italian Defensive Midfielder, who's also been linked with Arsenal. Can also play at centre back. 

I wouldn't be surprised if this one (story) has got legs. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on May 27, 2023, 07:18:27 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on May 27, 2023, 07:05:29 PM
Links to Ibrahima Bamba, who plays for our sister club Vitoria. 21-year Italian Defensive Midfielder, who's also been linked with Arsenal. Can also play at centre back. 

I wouldn't be surprised if this one (story) has got legs. 

If they are our sister club, he'd surely only be allowed to come to us, if we are indeed interested? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on May 27, 2023, 09:09:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on May 27, 2023, 07:05:29 PM
Links to Ibrahima Bamba, who plays for our sister club Vitoria. 21-year Italian Defensive Midfielder, who's also been linked with Arsenal. Can also play at centre back. 

I wouldn't be surprised if this one (story) has got legs.
Needs to happen, ready made song (Richie Valens - La Bamba)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: nigel on May 28, 2023, 08:38:56 PM
			

			

				I would guess we had two shopping lists. 
1: Qualified for Europe
2: Not qualified for Europe 

We now know which list we’re using. Exciting Summer ahead 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on May 28, 2023, 08:48:08 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: nigel on May 28, 2023, 08:38:56 PM
I would guess we had two shopping lists. 
1: Qualified for Europe
2: Not qualified for Europe 

We now know which list we’re using. Exciting Summer ahead 

Just guessing but I think the shopping list is very similar/the same either way. I think qualifying will have a greater influence on who we retain in the first team squad.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on May 28, 2023, 08:50:41 PM
			

			

				If it’s anything like his scrutiny over opponents and tactics the dedication he will have on incoming players will be just as exhaustive. He will be very involved with Lange and the scouting staff on just who he would like to have. I can’t wait to see the results.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on May 28, 2023, 09:09:21 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 28, 2023, 08:48:08 PM
Quote from: nigel on May 28, 2023, 08:38:56 PM
I would guess we had two shopping lists. 
1: Qualified for Europe
2: Not qualified for Europe 

We now know which list we’re using. Exciting Summer ahead 

Just guessing but I think the shopping list is very similar/the same either way. I think qualifying will have a greater influence on who we retain in the first team squad.

I’d agree. Take Asensio for example, he’s not all of a sudden going to come to us because we’ve now qualified for the Conference League, it’ll be because we can pay him a shed load of cash.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on May 28, 2023, 09:11:16 PM
			

			

				But being one of the fancied teams in that competition can't fail to help. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Matt C on May 28, 2023, 09:26:16 PM
			

			

				I figured we’d see 2-3 incomings, now I’d guess it will be more like 4-5. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on May 28, 2023, 09:34:15 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Matt C on May 28, 2023, 09:26:16 PM
I figured we’d see 2-3 incomings, now I’d guess it will be more like 4-5.

Probably a few more in and keep some of the players who have been out on loan around the first team rather than sending them out again.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Astnor on May 28, 2023, 09:53:33 PM
			

			

				Next season:
1.: Martinez
2: New RB
3: Konsa
4: Mings
5: Moreno
6: Kamara
7: Luiz
8: Ramsey
9: New Striker
10: New AM
11: New Winger
12: New GK
13: Another new RB
14: New CB (right footed)
15: Carlos
16: Digne
17: Dendoncker
18: new MF
19: McGinn
20:Another new striker (another nr 9)
21: Bailey
22: Buendia
23: Another new winger (another nr 11)
24: Watkins
25: Another new GK
IMHO!


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: rob_bridge on May 28, 2023, 09:54:04 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 28, 2023, 08:48:08 PM
Quote from: nigel on May 28, 2023, 08:38:56 PM
I would guess we had two shopping lists. 
1: Qualified for Europe
2: Not qualified for Europe 

We now know which list we’re using. Exciting Summer ahead 

Just guessing but I think the shopping list is very similar/the same either way. I think qualifying will have a greater influence on who we retain in the first team squad.

There may be an extra body or 2 incoming than otherwise would have been the case
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: rob_bridge on May 28, 2023, 09:56:31 PM
			

			

				I do think Cash needs replacing if we are going to kick on. And Young as been brilliant but really should be no more than back up. We defo need an upgrade on Bailey/Bert too. And 2 back up keepers. 

They would be my priorities. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on May 28, 2023, 11:32:19 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Astnor on May 28, 2023, 09:53:33 PM
Next season:
1.: Martinez
2: New RB
3: Konsa
4: Mings
5: Moreno
6: Kamara
7: Luiz
8: Ramsey
9: New Striker
10: New AM
11: New Winger
12: New GK
13: Another new RB
14: New CB (right footed)
15: Carlos
16: Digne
17: Dendoncker
18: new MF
19: McGinn
20:Another new striker (another nr 9)
21: Bailey
22: Buendia
23: Another new winger (another nr 11)
24: Watkins
25: Another new GK
IMHO!



You think we are going to bring in 9 players?  That's some revolving door.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on May 29, 2023, 12:03:05 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on May 28, 2023, 11:32:19 PM
Quote from: Astnor on May 28, 2023, 09:53:33 PM
Next season:
1.: Martinez
2: New RB
3: Konsa
4: Mings
5: Moreno
6: Kamara
7: Luiz
8: Ramsey
9: New Striker
10: New AM
11: New Winger
12: New GK
13: Another new RB
14: New CB (right footed)
15: Carlos
16: Digne
17: Dendoncker
18: new MF
19: McGinn
20:Another new striker (another nr 9)
21: Bailey
22: Buendia
23: Another new winger (another nr 11)
24: Watkins
25: Another new GK
IMHO!



You think we are going to bring in 9 players?  That's some revolving door. 

I make it 11!!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: TonyD on May 29, 2023, 12:43:20 AM
			

			

				I’ll say it again. 
Sign Barnes please.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 29, 2023, 12:50:48 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on May 29, 2023, 12:03:05 AM
Quote from: Steve67 on May 28, 2023, 11:32:19 PM
Quote from: Astnor on May 28, 2023, 09:53:33 PM
Next season:
1.: Martinez
2: New RB
3: Konsa
4: Mings
5: Moreno
6: Kamara
7: Luiz
8: Ramsey
9: New Striker
10: New AM
11: New Winger
12: New GK
13: Another new RB
14: New CB (right footed)
15: Carlos
16: Digne
17: Dendoncker
18: new MF
19: McGinn
20:Another new striker (another nr 9)
21: Bailey
22: Buendia
23: Another new winger (another nr 11)
24: Watkins
25: Another new GK
IMHO!



You think we are going to bring in 9 players?  That's some revolving door. 

I make it 11!!

Yeah, not happening. Some youth players can fill some of those spots.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: nigel on May 29, 2023, 08:13:03 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 28, 2023, 08:48:08 PM
Quote from: nigel on May 28, 2023, 08:38:56 PM
I would guess we had two shopping lists. 
1: Qualified for Europe
2: Not qualified for Europe 

We now know which list we’re using. Exciting Summer ahead 

Just guessing but I think the shopping list is very similar/the same either way. I think qualifying will have a greater influence on who we retain in the first team squad.

Certainly.
I didn’t mean totally different (probably badly worded)
I just wonder if a couple had been sounded out, via agents, and were told there would only be a chance if we could offer European football. No guarantee, but we would at least be in the running.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Astnor on May 29, 2023, 08:19:13 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on May 29, 2023, 12:50:48 AM
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on May 29, 2023, 12:03:05 AM
Quote from: Steve67 on May 28, 2023, 11:32:19 PM
Quote from: Astnor on May 28, 2023, 09:53:33 PM
Next season:
1.: Martinez
2: New RB
3: Konsa
4: Mings
5: Moreno
6: Kamara
7: Luiz
8: Ramsey
9: New Striker
10: New AM
11: New Winger
12: New GK
13: Another new RB
14: New CB (right footed)
15: Carlos
16: Digne
17: Dendoncker
18: new MF
19: McGinn
20:Another new striker (another nr 9)
21: Bailey
22: Buendia
23: Another new winger (another nr 11)
24: Watkins
25: Another new GK
IMHO!



You think we are going to bring in 9 players?  That's some revolving door. 

I make it 11!!

Yeah, not happening. Some youth players can fill some of those spots.
A might have been a bit overoptimistic/ unrealistic after our win yesterday, keeping hold of my favourites and dreaming about new ones to strength the squad.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Astnor on May 29, 2023, 08:29:46 AM
			

			

				I would like Barnes , should be a realistic target for us, has the right age and potential. Unlike some on here I would keep Bailey, we did see yesterday (again) what he can do - again has the right age and some potential. No secret that i m not a fan of Cash and doubt his potential (I ask my self if I m scapegoating him a bit though). Will be interesting to see who we are able to attract. Realistically we have to see that we are not seen as one of the top club of Europe now so probl wont get the top players? Of late our links gone from Real Madrid (Asensio) to Leicester (Barnes) - Barnes might be as good a player though (dont know anything about Asensio have to admit).
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 29, 2023, 08:41:23 AM
			

			

				Regarding Barnes, doesn’t our left midfielder typically drift in field to create space for the LB, whereas Barnes looks more like a ‘chalk on your boots’ winger.  I like the player, but not sure he fits our system and too expensive for a ‘plan b’.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV82EC on May 29, 2023, 08:48:29 AM
			

			

				So where I’m sat this morning:

GK: Martinez (Need new back up)
RB: Cash (Need competition and a Moreno like signing) - KKH promoted or out on loan again?
LB: Moreno, Digne (nothing required)
CB: Mings, Konsa, Carlos, Chambers (not sure we need any activity here, are any U21s ready?)
Utility defender: Young, one more season and if Chambers seen as utility then another right CB

CM: Luiz, Kamara, Dendoncker (I’d promote Ireogbhunam but am unsure on the Donk so maybe an additional signing required to bring this to 4)
AM: McGinn, Ramsey(J), Buendia, Coutinho (one addition required and/or potentially promote Ramsey(A)/Bidace)

Wide attackers: Bailey, Traore (I think we need an additional starting player here, go big)

Strikers: Watkins, Duran (I think Duran on loan, promote Archer to the squad and go big on another striker)

So picking the bones out of that:

New Reserve Keeper
New “Moreno level” RB 
New CM to replace Donk
New AM required
New Wide attacker
New Striker

In terms of the youths definitely promote Archer, Ramsey(A) and Ireogbunam to the squad and let’s see with KKH and Bidace. 

Busy summer ahead.



			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: N'ZMAV on May 29, 2023, 08:54:26 AM
			

			

				we need 5 more players if we're going to compete in ECL.
Archer, A Ramsey, Nakamba, Sanson, Davis, Wesley, Ireogbhunam and Hause are coming back.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Goldenballs on May 29, 2023, 09:21:40 AM
			

			

				Davis, Wes and Hause will almost certainly leave if we can find someone to have them.

Still none the wiser if Sanson is any good or not, Nakamba would be useful in the squad given the amount of games we'll (hopefully) be playing, but might be a good chance to cash in. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Goldenballs on May 29, 2023, 09:23:50 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on May 29, 2023, 08:41:23 AM
Regarding Barnes, doesn’t our left midfielder typically drift in field to create space for the LB, whereas Barnes looks more like a ‘chalk on your boots’ winger.  I like the player, but not sure he fits our system and too expensive for a ‘plan b’.  

I keep changing my mind on Barnes, I'd rather have Maddison to go straight into the team and push Buendia down to the bench. I'd flog Coutinho. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on May 29, 2023, 10:22:11 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: nigel on May 29, 2023, 08:13:03 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 28, 2023, 08:48:08 PM
Quote from: nigel on May 28, 2023, 08:38:56 PM
I would guess we had two shopping lists. 
1: Qualified for Europe
2: Not qualified for Europe 

We now know which list we’re using. Exciting Summer ahead 

Just guessing but I think the shopping list is very similar/the same either way. I think qualifying will have a greater influence on who we retain in the first team squad.

Certainly.
I didn’t mean totally different (probably badly worded)
I just wonder if a couple had been sounded out, via agents, and were told there would only be a chance if we could offer European football. No guarantee, but we would at least be in the running.
That is not how it works.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on May 29, 2023, 10:24:56 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Goldenballs on May 29, 2023, 09:23:50 AM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on May 29, 2023, 08:41:23 AM
Regarding Barnes, doesn’t our left midfielder typically drift in field to create space for the LB, whereas Barnes looks more like a ‘chalk on your boots’ winger.  I like the player, but not sure he fits our system and too expensive for a ‘plan b’.  

I keep changing my mind on Barnes, I'd rather have Maddison to go straight into the team and push Buendia down to the bench. I'd flog Coutinho.
I would rather Gibbs White.
Not keen on Barnes.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on May 29, 2023, 10:26:03 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ChicagoLion on May 29, 2023, 10:22:11 AM
Quote from: nigel on May 29, 2023, 08:13:03 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 28, 2023, 08:48:08 PM
Quote from: nigel on May 28, 2023, 08:38:56 PM
I would guess we had two shopping lists. 
1: Qualified for Europe
2: Not qualified for Europe 

We now know which list we’re using. Exciting Summer ahead 

Just guessing but I think the shopping list is very similar/the same either way. I think qualifying will have a greater influence on who we retain in the first team squad.

Certainly.
I didn’t mean totally different (probably badly worded)
I just wonder if a couple had been sounded out, via agents, and were told there would only be a chance if we could offer European football. No guarantee, but we would at least be in the running.
That is not how it works.

It's not impossible that say, Newcastle have targets who would join them now they've qualified for the Champions League who wouldn't if they hadn't.

But as you say, I can't imagine that there's anyone for whom Conference League qualification was a deal-breaker, ahead of all the millions of pounds that we'd likely be throwing at them.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on May 29, 2023, 10:28:44 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on May 29, 2023, 10:26:03 AM

But as you say, I can't imagine that there's anyone for whom Conference League qualification was a deal-breaker, ahead of all the millions of pounds that we'd likely be throwing at them.

Indeed. "Well I wasn't sure about the £150,000 a week, but now we've got an away tie in Oswestry to play New Saints, where do I sign?!" ;)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on May 29, 2023, 10:31:33 AM
			

			

				Yeah. Some players would want european football. To others, it might not matter. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 29, 2023, 10:40:47 AM
			

			

				I don’t think Conference league football in itself is going to be a major factor in who we sign. 

I think what it will help is as much about keeping players we want to hold on to - visible signs of progress with a clear waypoint achieved rather than just talk 

I think those will be the reasons Sawiris and Edens were so happy yesterday, the financial side will be largely negligible. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 29, 2023, 10:43:18 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clampy on May 29, 2023, 10:31:33 AM
Yeah. Some players would want european football. To others, it might not matter.


I don’t think it’s necessarily about want it or don’t want it (playing in Europe), it’s a reflection of it being the least prestigious of the leagues. 

Waving Champions League football around is obviously entirely different. 

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on May 29, 2023, 10:48:01 AM
			

			

				Well, it's certainly not going to hurt, let's leave it at that.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on May 29, 2023, 10:52:52 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 29, 2023, 10:40:47 AM
I don’t think Conference league football in itself is going to be a major factor in who we sign. 

I think what it will help is as much about keeping players we want to hold on to - visible signs of progress with a clear waypoint achieved rather than just talk 

I think those will be the reasons Sawiris and Edens were so happy yesterday, the financial side will be largely negligible.
Yep, I agree. It's more about being able to offer your third choice central defender (Carlos ATM?) enough games to keep them sweet, or to allow us to sign a winger but still keep Leon Bailey reasonably happy with the amount of involvement he'd be getting.


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Paul.S on May 29, 2023, 11:06:11 AM
			

			

				We’ll attract the right sort of players. They can see we have a great coach who will improve them and to finish 7th in the PL brings shows the potential. Young, ambitious and of course quality players who will now see us in an entirely different light. European football does help, it’s not the money league but it definitely helps. We have moved up a level in the type of player we can attract.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SoccerHQ on May 29, 2023, 11:23:49 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on May 29, 2023, 08:41:23 AM
Regarding Barnes, doesn’t our left midfielder typically drift in field to create space for the LB, whereas Barnes looks more like a ‘chalk on your boots’ winger.  I like the player, but not sure he fits our system and too expensive for a ‘plan b’.  

Most of Barnes goals like yesterday are actually him coming infield and playing 1-2s with whoever the AM is so no reason why he couldn't play role in Emery's system like Ramsey can.

In two minds really. What helps is Leicester going down so there's no chance they can demand 50m with a straight face, he'll be in 25-30m bracket which for someone who hit 13 prem goals is a bargain in today's prices.

However I'm not convinced. Watch Leicester at home to Everton which was a game that basically relegated them and he was non-existent throughout, hardly on the ball and didn't even track back much to help out their LB.

Feels like one of those Alan Thompson types who posts decent stats for relegated team but dosen't have enough to push a 7th place team into top 6 given he would be one of our major summer signings at the price he goes for.

N'zogbia scored 9 league goals for Wigan the season before we signed him but we quickly realised that signing wasn't going to cut it as Ashley Young replacement.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on May 29, 2023, 11:31:27 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: SoccerHQ on May 29, 2023, 11:23:49 AM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on May 29, 2023, 08:41:23 AM
Regarding Barnes, doesn’t our left midfielder typically drift in field to create space for the LB, whereas Barnes looks more like a ‘chalk on your boots’ winger.  I like the player, but not sure he fits our system and too expensive for a ‘plan b’.  

Most of Barnes goals like yesterday are actually him coming infield and playing 1-2s with whoever the AM is so no reason why he couldn't play role in Emery's system like Ramsey can.

In two minds really. What helps is Leicester going down so there's no chance they can demand 50m with a straight face, he'll be in 25-30m bracket which for someone who hit 13 prem goals is a bargain in today's prices.

However I'm not convinced. Watch Leicester at home to Everton which was a game that basically relegated them and he was non-existent throughout, hardly on the ball and didn't even track back much to help out their LB.

Feels like one of those Alan Thompson types who posts decent stats for relegated team but dosen't have enough to push a 7th place team into top 6 given he would be one of our major summer signings at the price he goes for.

N'zogbia scored 9 league goals for Wigan the season before we signed him but we quickly realised that signing wasn't going to cut it as Ashley Young replacement.
I agree, just not convinced when I have  watched him, a bit of a one trick pony but his lack of contribution the rest of the time is concerning.
It’s a no from me.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 29, 2023, 04:30:03 PM
			

			

				I don't see us being mad keen on paying the premium for English PL players too often.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Goldenballs on May 29, 2023, 04:40:36 PM
			

			

				Getting Zaha on a free on a 2 year deal would be about half the cost of Barnes. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: passport1 on May 29, 2023, 04:43:43 PM
			

			

				I imagine this is a red herring  and we will be shopping  elsewhere. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on May 29, 2023, 05:08:51 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: SoccerHQ on May 29, 2023, 11:23:49 AM

Feels like one of those Alan Thompson types who posts decent stats for relegated team but dosen't have enough to push a 7th place team into top 6 given he would be one of our major summer signings at the price he goes for.

N'zogbia scored 9 league goals for Wigan the season before we signed him but we quickly realised that signing wasn't going to cut it as Ashley Young replacement.

Four years ago, Leicester finished 9th. Barnes then helped them to two 5th placed finishes in a row and an FA Cup win. Why does one bad season for Leicester, in which he individually did very well and ended with 13 goals negate the last three years? And given the improvement that Emery has made to just about every single Villa player, why wouldn't he be able to makes Barnes even better? The comparison to N'Zogbia is laughable, sorry.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on May 29, 2023, 05:11:12 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Goldenballs on May 29, 2023, 04:40:36 PM
Getting Zaha on a free on a 2 year deal would be about half the cost of Barnes. 

I wouldn't be against Zaha but he'd cost a lot more in wages, and at 30 is 5 years older than Barnes.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on May 29, 2023, 05:30:15 PM
			

			

				It's a little surprising that anyone thinks Barnes isn't a massive upgrade on what we have today at LW. 13 goals from that side of the pitch in a poor side is a super return. He'd be flying with us. He's been very good and at times excellent the past few years including regularly running us ragged down our right.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on May 29, 2023, 05:33:35 PM
			

			

				And throw in Asensio down the other wing and we will be fucking immense on the flanks
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 29, 2023, 05:42:26 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Paul.S on May 29, 2023, 11:06:11 AM
We’ll attract the right sort of players. They can see we have a great coach who will improve them and to finish 7th in the PL brings shows the potential. Young, ambitious and of course quality players who will now see us in an entirely different light. European football does help, it’s not the money league but it definitely helps. We have moved up a level in the type of player we can attract.

Agree with all of this. 

Not keen on Barnes but some online "sources" linking us with Jack Harrison. I think he has got rid of the man bun so that's a start.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Goldenballs on May 29, 2023, 06:19:11 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on May 29, 2023, 05:11:12 PM
Quote from: Goldenballs on May 29, 2023, 04:40:36 PM
Getting Zaha on a free on a 2 year deal would be about half the cost of Barnes. 

I wouldn't be against Zaha but he'd cost a lot more in wages, and at 30 is 5 years older than Barnes.

He would, but offset that against the circa £40m they'd want for Barnes. Can cover as a 9 as well.

Give him a 2 year deal with an an option of a third if he can manage to not be a total cock.  Then hopefully we'll be top 4 and can get someone better.

Either of them would improve us. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on May 29, 2023, 06:37:42 PM
			

			

				Not sure they're in any position to demand crazy money for him. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on May 29, 2023, 06:57:06 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on May 29, 2023, 06:37:42 PM
Not sure they're in any position to demand crazy money for him.

They don't really need to demand it. He's a young(ish) player coming off a very good season. 

There will be enough interest that anyone with any money would be happy to have him, which will push his price up.

Wouldn't be surprised if he went for four years of medals and 87th minute substitute appearances with Kalvin Phillips at Man City.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 29, 2023, 08:23:35 PM
			

			

				Toronto - Its more that flying wingers (to date) hasn’t been Emery’s tactics.  That’s my reservation, not the quality of the players.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Hookeysmith on May 29, 2023, 08:27:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on May 29, 2023, 05:11:12 PM
Quote from: Goldenballs on May 29, 2023, 04:40:36 PM
Getting Zaha on a free on a 2 year deal would be about half the cost of Barnes. 

I wouldn't be against Zaha but he'd cost a lot more in wages, and at 30 is 5 years older than Barnes.

And has the 2nd most punchable face in football plus as big a twat as his actual ability
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on May 29, 2023, 08:33:25 PM
			

			

				If we're wanting someone to compete with/replace Bailey then Zaha is a better fit than Barnes for me.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 29, 2023, 08:43:06 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on May 29, 2023, 08:33:25 PM
If we're wanting someone to compete with/replace Bailey then Zaha is a better fit than Barnes for me.

I agree, although I like Barnes from what I've seen of him, Zaha just has that edge about him, which makes him a target for opposition fans, but we'd soon love him.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john2710 on May 29, 2023, 08:57:23 PM
			

			

				What about Kulusevski from Juventus? Loan deal at Spurs ends this summer & it doesn't look like either Spurs or Juve want him. Had a good start at Spurs but like most of the team, seemed to fall short this year. Could be an option at a reasonable price & still only 23.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 29, 2023, 09:03:32 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: john2710 on May 29, 2023, 08:57:23 PM
What about Kulusevski from Juventus? Loan deal at Spurs ends this summer & it doesn't look like either Spurs or Juve want him. Had a good start at Spurs but like most of the team, seemed to fall short this year. Could be an option at a reasonable price & still only 23.



I really like him ,can’t believe Spurs won’t make it permanent 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on May 29, 2023, 09:04:23 PM
			

			

				Zaha will want champions league though surely 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on May 29, 2023, 09:05:08 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on May 29, 2023, 09:03:32 PM
Quote from: john2710 on May 29, 2023, 08:57:23 PM
What about Kulusevski from Juventus? Loan deal at Spurs ends this summer & it doesn't look like either Spurs or Juve want him. Had a good start at Spurs but like most of the team, seemed to fall short this year. Could be an option at a reasonable price & still only 23.



I really like him ,can’t believe Spurs won’t make it permanent
I do as-well.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 29, 2023, 09:07:09 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: coreyfeldman on May 29, 2023, 09:04:23 PM
Zaha will want champions league though surely 

So will Barnes. Whether they're offered it is another question.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on May 29, 2023, 09:08:55 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on May 29, 2023, 05:42:26 PM
Not keen on Barnes but some online "sources" linking us with Jack Harrison. I think he has got rid of the man bun so that's a start.
No. A big no to Harrison. Never ever touch players from relegated teams with a barge pole. Absolute wasters with losing mentality ingrained.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 29, 2023, 09:11:58 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: olaftab on May 29, 2023, 09:08:55 PM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on May 29, 2023, 05:42:26 PM
Not keen on Barnes but some online "sources" linking us with Jack Harrison. I think he has got rid of the man bun so that's a start.
No. A big no to Harrison. Never ever touch players from relegated teams with a barge pole. Absolute wasters with losing mentality ingrained.

So you wouldn't have Maddison? I never understand this argument, most teams have at least 2 or 3 decent players, even ones that go down. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on May 29, 2023, 09:15:00 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on May 29, 2023, 08:23:35 PM
Toronto - Its more that flying wingers (to date) hasn’t been Emery’s tactics.  That’s my reservation, not the quality of the players.

I’m not sure Barnes or Asensio are flying wingers. But I’d say not using wingers as an exclusive way of playing is more because we don’t have any. And he’s used Bailey plenty as a right sided wide player. My guess is that he wants the flexibility to play a number of different ways. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on May 29, 2023, 09:16:44 PM
			

			

				Wouldn’t touch any player from Leeds…from Southampton I wouldn’t mind Lavia (despite his cock up yesterday) & Leicester Maddison or Barnes are good enough.

I wonder though whether we will even touch the domestic market, unless there is a lower league gem they have uncovered there is no value to be had in PL
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 29, 2023, 09:19:06 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Gareth on May 29, 2023, 09:16:44 PM
Wouldn’t touch any player from Leeds…from Southampton I wouldn’t mind Lavia (despite his cock up yesterday) & Leicester Maddison or Barnes are good enough.

I wonder though whether we will even touch the domestic market, unless there is a lower league gem they have uncovered there is no value to be had in PL

He would need a lot of work (which is why I wouldn't go for him) but Gnonto is a raw talent, he'll easily get a new club.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on May 29, 2023, 09:19:32 PM
			

			

				I hope the 25 will be;
3 GK
Martinez 
New experienced back up
Young keeper, maybe one we already have.

9 DEF
Cash
Young
Chambers
Mings
Carlos
New CB
Konsa
Moreno 
Digne

7 MID
Kamara
McGinn
Luiz
Ramsey 
Donk
New CM (tough, no nonsense and athletic)
1 from Nakamba, Tim or A Ramsey 

6 Forwards / playmakers 
Watkins
Buendia 
1 of Duran or Archer
1 of Coutinho, Traore or Bailey
2 new players, partly guided by who we pick from above but at least one that can score plenty.

So 5 new players.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on May 29, 2023, 09:20:30 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on May 29, 2023, 09:07:09 PM
Quote from: coreyfeldman on May 29, 2023, 09:04:23 PM
Zaha will want champions league though surely 

So will Barnes. Whether they're offered it is another question.
They all want CL football, the problem is only 4 English teams can offer that and many European teams that are in the CL won’t pay as much as PL teams.
Don’t see many PL players rushing for a pay cut.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on May 29, 2023, 09:20:44 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on May 29, 2023, 09:11:58 PM
Quote from: olaftab on May 29, 2023, 09:08:55 PM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on May 29, 2023, 05:42:26 PM
Not keen on Barnes but some online "sources" linking us with Jack Harrison. I think he has got rid of the man bun so that's a start.
No. A big no to Harrison. Never ever touch players from relegated teams with a barge pole. Absolute wasters with losing mentality ingrained.

So you wouldn't have Maddison? I never understand this argument, most teams have at least 2 or 3 decent players, even ones that go down.

I wouldn't have Maddison. 

He is a pound shop version of Grealish. He even tried to copy Grealish's hair at one point with the headband & it looked a shit £3 cut from Doris around the corner.

Plus he has a face that is infinitely punchable. 

If we are going after any Leicester players, then Tielemans or Barnes are the only ones we should entertain. 

Would love Bella-Kotchap & Lavia from Southampton. They wouldn't be good enough for the now, other than against lower league cup opponents & shit Euro teams, but its good to bring in young talent to develop alongside marque signings.  

I wouldn't want any other players from relegated teams though. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on May 29, 2023, 09:23:19 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on May 29, 2023, 09:19:32 PM
I hope the 25 will be;
3 GK
Martinez 
New experienced back up
Young keeper, maybe one we already have.

9 DEF
Cash
Young
Chambers
Mings
Carlos
New CB
Konsa
Moreno 
Digne

7 MID
Kamara
McGinn
Luiz
Ramsey 
Donk
New CM (tough, no nonsense and athletic)
1 from Nakamba, Tim or A Ramsey 

6 Forwards / playmakers 
Watkins
Buendia 
1 of Duran or Archer
1 of Coutinho, Traore or Bailey
2 new players, partly guided by who we pick from above but at least one that can score plenty.

So 5 new players.
This is nearer what I think will happen.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on May 29, 2023, 09:33:08 PM
			

			

				There is no way, not a chance, not even the slightest possibility that 'Bella-Kotchap' is a real person.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on May 29, 2023, 09:38:36 PM
			

			

				Walker Peters at Southampton has got potential and I like the look of Carlos Alcaraz as well.
Just to dismiss players because they’ve been relegated is missing a trick.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Goldenballs on May 29, 2023, 09:44:06 PM
			

			

				Maddison got 7 assists and 10 goals vs Buendia's 2 assists and 5 goals, created more chances too. He'd walk into that role in our team and instantly improve us. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on May 29, 2023, 09:50:29 PM
			

			

				Imo donk won't be here next season, and have a feeling cash won't be either. Tim will go out for another loan, and would expect both coutinho and traore to be replaced. The bulk of the money needs to improve the front line this summer 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on May 29, 2023, 09:54:16 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on May 29, 2023, 09:38:36 PM
Walker Peters at Southampton has got potential and I like the look of Carlos Alcaraz as well.
Just to dismiss players because they’ve been relegated is missing a trick.

Totally agree.  Veretout and Gueye didn't do too badly did they?  There are plenty of good players heading for the Championship.  I would take Maddison and Barnes but I suspect they will cost north of £70m.  Better value abroad. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Aldridge Villa on May 29, 2023, 10:12:13 PM
			

			

				The Donk is an interesting one. When he plays well his effectiveness is there in abundance. His play it simple with minimum fuss approach should not be overlooked. Hope he stays.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on May 29, 2023, 10:19:27 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Monty on May 29, 2023, 09:33:08 PM
There is no way, not a chance, not even the slightest possibility that 'Bella-Kotchap' is a real person.
Bella-Kotchap is a lifelong diplomat working in the heart of UN core operations. A gender neutral person, favourite to succeed António Guterres as the next Secretary General.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on May 29, 2023, 10:29:11 PM
			

			

				Whilst I'm sure Emery and The Board (The Emery Board?) will be picking up some underrated players from around Europe, if I was looking at the domestic market, I'd be trying to get Eze from Palace.  I thought we should have gone for him when we sold Grealish, as he's the nearest thing to him.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on May 29, 2023, 10:35:46 PM
			

			

				Agree on Eze. Olise would have been good as well. Not been paying that much attention to the Championship this season, are there any standout players?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on May 29, 2023, 10:38:11 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on May 29, 2023, 10:35:46 PM
Agree on Eze. Olise would have been good as well. Not been paying that much attention to the Championship this season, are there any standout players?

Striker up at Middlesbrough seems to be doing well.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on May 29, 2023, 10:40:16 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on May 29, 2023, 10:35:46 PM
Agree on Eze. Olise would have been good as well. Not been paying that much attention to the Championship this season, are there any standout players?

Alex Scott of Bristol City - 19 year old midfielder is supposed to be a wonderkid.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 29, 2023, 10:41:58 PM
			

			

				Livramento did well at Southampton.  Might be a cheap RB option.  I think he even kept Walkers-Peters out the team when they were both fit.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on May 29, 2023, 10:51:11 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on May 29, 2023, 10:41:58 PM
Livramento did well at Southampton.  Might be a cheap RB option.  I think he even kept Walkers-Peters out the team when they were both fit.

Isn't he on loan from Chelsea?  Not sure. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on May 29, 2023, 11:01:01 PM
			

			

				Whilst I'd have no objection to Barnes I'd be surprised if we paid the English Premium after spending so much time and effort on the data analysis stuff. 

I mean I could have told them he's worth buying for £40m the price of a fish supper. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on May 29, 2023, 11:11:58 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on May 29, 2023, 10:38:11 PM
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on May 29, 2023, 10:35:46 PM
Agree on Eze. Olise would have been good as well. Not been paying that much attention to the Championship this season, are there any standout players?

Striker up at Middlesbrough seems to be doing well.

Wouldn’t cost much either!! Surely he’s in with a great chance of being a fixture in the match day squads.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on May 29, 2023, 11:15:15 PM
			

			

				I liked the look of that Livio fella at Soton but the mistake yesterday was atrocious and we have plenty to play there.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on May 29, 2023, 11:18:18 PM
			

			

				I seem to remember both doug and kamara making the same mistake this is season. It's a common fuck up with teams not all that used to playing out from the back, so I'd certainly not be judging a young player in a relegated team for that 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on May 29, 2023, 11:40:11 PM
			

			

				Appreciate that but neither played the pass straight to the player who put in in the net in a touch, thought it looked both inept and liable to break confidence. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on May 30, 2023, 12:02:16 AM
			

			

				For once I don't really care. I trust this manager, and the owners, to sort it out and do what they feel they want and need.

I'm relaxed about the whole thing. There's no concern about losing anyone, we've got European football to look forward to, some great kids coming through and a team who really are just that.

We're linked with some good names, and for good reason, we're the sleeping giant that's just waking up from a very long power nap. It feels like we've just had a double espresso and a bacon sarnie and are about to take on our day. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on May 30, 2023, 12:06:00 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on May 30, 2023, 12:02:16 AM
For once I don't really care. I trust this manager, and the owners, to sort it out and do what they feel they want and need.

I'm relaxed about the whole thing. There's no concern about losing anyone, we've got European football to look forward to, some great kids coming through and a team who really are just that.

We're linked with some good names, and for good reason, we're the sleeping giant that's just waking up from a very long power nap. It feels like we've just had a double espresso and a bacon sarnie and are about to take on our day. 

Brown sauce or Bella-Kotchap on the bacon sarnie?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 30, 2023, 12:22:54 AM
			

			

				According to Marca, Emery called Asensio and asked him to be part of the Villa project. Asensio's thinking about it. https://twitter.com/marca/status/1663284992795893760
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Demitri_C on May 30, 2023, 06:16:57 AM
			

			

				Chelsea after Ugarte.  Disappointing if true if they can get him in sitting in a miserable 11th with no europe I am sure we would be a more attractive option
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Mister E on May 30, 2023, 07:41:36 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on May 29, 2023, 09:38:36 PM
Walker Peters at Southampton has got potential and I like the look of Carlos Alcaraz as well.
Just to dismiss players because they’ve been relegated is missing a trick.
Walker-Pieters in to put pressure on Cash would be a smart move.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: nigel on May 30, 2023, 07:49:15 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Tokyo Sexwhale on May 29, 2023, 10:29:11 PM
Whilst I'm sure Emery and The Board (The Emery Board?) will be picking up some underrated players from around Europe, if I was looking at the domestic market, I'd be trying to get Eze from Palace.  I thought we should have gone for him when we sold Grealish, as he's the nearest thing to him.

I’m sure I read we were interested, don’t know if an approach was made, but he said he didn’t want to leave London. We were in the bottom third, so he may have been being polite in saying that.
Maybe with Emery as manager and us in the top section he might have second thoughts
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: nigel on May 30, 2023, 07:50:36 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Mister E on May 30, 2023, 07:41:36 AM
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on May 29, 2023, 09:38:36 PM
Walker Peters at Southampton has got potential and I like the look of Carlos Alcaraz as well.
Just to dismiss players because they’ve been relegated is missing a trick.
Walker-Pieters in to put pressure on Cash would be a smart move.

What’s happened to KKH?
He seems to have just disappeared 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on May 30, 2023, 08:00:02 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: nigel on May 30, 2023, 07:50:36 AM
Quote from: Mister E on May 30, 2023, 07:41:36 AM
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on May 29, 2023, 09:38:36 PM
Walker Peters at Southampton has got potential and I like the look of Carlos Alcaraz as well.
Just to dismiss players because they’ve been relegated is missing a trick.
Walker-Pieters in to put pressure on Cash would be a smart move.

What’s happened to KKH?
He seems to have just disappeared

He's been back at the academy and playing in PL2.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: nigel on May 30, 2023, 08:00:52 AM
			

			

				Cheers, bud
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on May 30, 2023, 08:14:18 AM
			

			

				Walker-Peters is 26, he’s decent but he’s not some up and coming youngster.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on May 30, 2023, 08:27:45 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: PeterWithe on May 29, 2023, 11:15:15 PM
I liked the look of that Livio fella at Soton but the mistake yesterday was atrocious and we have plenty to play there.

All season I heard he was great, a star for the future, and every time I saw him play he was rubbish.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on May 30, 2023, 09:02:19 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Mister E on May 30, 2023, 07:41:36 AM
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on May 29, 2023, 09:38:36 PM
Walker Peters at Southampton has got potential and I like the look of Carlos Alcaraz as well.
Just to dismiss players because they’ve been relegated is missing a trick.
Walker-Pieters in to put pressure on Cash would be a smart move.
No. The only thing Walker-Peters can put pressure on is a bowl of jelly. But we do need a stand out right back with Cash on the bench 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: DB on May 30, 2023, 10:06:00 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on May 29, 2023, 10:38:11 PM
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on May 29, 2023, 10:35:46 PM
Agree on Eze. Olise would have been good as well. Not been paying that much attention to the Championship this season, are there any standout players?

Striker up at Middlesbrough seems to be doing well.

My Boro mates reckon he may struggle in the Prem but AR looks about class. They did say they want to keep them both though.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Joe S on May 30, 2023, 10:20:44 AM
			

			

				Seems to be an uptick in Twitter noise regarding Marco Asensio this morning.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on May 30, 2023, 10:24:13 AM
			

			

				Marca say Emery had bit of yaketty-yak over the blower with him. To paraphrase Churchill, up with this I could put.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on May 30, 2023, 10:27:12 AM
			

			

				Not saying it didn’t happen but if two people are on a call, unless one of those two people tell the media they were on said call then how would anyone else know it even happened? Did Marca tap the line?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on May 30, 2023, 10:27:56 AM
			

			

				Asensio was so giddy with excitement he immediately blabbed to all and sundry?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on May 30, 2023, 10:28:17 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Monty on May 30, 2023, 10:24:13 AM
Marca say Emery had bit of yaketty-yak over the blower with him. To paraphrase Churchill, up with this I could put.

But, but the Daily Heil say Arsenal are battling AC Milan to sign him? Surely this is some mistake?

Seriously, get this announced early and it's the kind of deal that makes other players look and go "Oh yeah, they're not fucking about are they? Count me in"
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on May 30, 2023, 10:31:40 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on May 30, 2023, 10:28:17 AM
Quote from: Monty on May 30, 2023, 10:24:13 AM
Marca say Emery had bit of yaketty-yak over the blower with him. To paraphrase Churchill, up with this I could put.

But, but the Daily Heil say Arsenal are battling AC Milan to sign him? Surely this is some mistake?

Seriously, get this announced early and it's the kind of deal that makes other players look and go "Oh yeah, they're not fucking about are they? Count me in"

Yeah, I don't know about Arsenal and their priorities but we have way more money available to us than Milan if we want to use it. Such is the Premier League (if you're competently run). Milan are of course what they are, and they will have Champions League next season.

So we'll see. But fuck, wouldn't this be something? I mean, in Spain they're taking us very very seriously right now, Emery is such a hugely respected figure over there.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on May 30, 2023, 10:31:42 AM
			

			

				So we are suggesting that Marco was so excited at the prospect of joining the Villa on Tour European piss up that he told Marca? And after Emery specifically told him “I know you have chub in your trousers at the prospect but keep your fucking gob shut”. But he couldn’t. Is that what happened here?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on May 30, 2023, 10:32:25 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 30, 2023, 10:31:42 AM
So we are suggesting that Marco was so excited at the prospect of joining the Villa on Tour European piss up that he told Marca? And after Emery specifically told him “I know you have chub in your trousers at the prospect but keep your fucking gob shut”. But he couldn’t. Is that what happened here?

That, in so many words, is what's happened here, yes.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on May 30, 2023, 10:37:07 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Monty on May 30, 2023, 10:32:25 AM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 30, 2023, 10:31:42 AM
So we are suggesting that Marco was so excited at the prospect of joining the Villa on Tour European piss up that he told Marca? And after Emery specifically told him “I know you have chub in your trousers at the prospect but keep your fucking gob shut”. But he couldn’t. Is that what happened here?

That, in so many words, is what's happened here, yes.

I know have a picture in my head of Asensio coming off the phone to Emery like an excited teenager "OMG, OMFG, it was HIM!" with his mates all around him squeeling.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on May 30, 2023, 10:40:20 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on May 30, 2023, 10:37:07 AM
Quote from: Monty on May 30, 2023, 10:32:25 AM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 30, 2023, 10:31:42 AM
So we are suggesting that Marco was so excited at the prospect of joining the Villa on Tour European piss up that he told Marca? And after Emery specifically told him “I know you have chub in your trousers at the prospect but keep your fucking gob shut”. But he couldn’t. Is that what happened here?

That, in so many words, is what's happened here, yes.

I know have a picture in my head of Asensio coming off the phone to Emery like an excited teenager "OMG, OMFG, it was HIM!" with his mates all around him squeeling.

Is it at a pajama party, and who throws the first pillow?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on May 30, 2023, 10:50:12 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 30, 2023, 10:27:12 AM
Not saying it didn’t happen but if two people are on a call, unless one of those two people tell the media they were on said call then how would anyone else know it even happened? Did Marca tap the line?

He did it from the pay phone in the Drakes Drum after the match. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on May 30, 2023, 10:57:22 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on May 30, 2023, 10:40:20 AM
Quote from: LeeB on May 30, 2023, 10:37:07 AM
Quote from: Monty on May 30, 2023, 10:32:25 AM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 30, 2023, 10:31:42 AM
So we are suggesting that Marco was so excited at the prospect of joining the Villa on Tour European piss up that he told Marca? And after Emery specifically told him “I know you have chub in your trousers at the prospect but keep your fucking gob shut”. But he couldn’t. Is that what happened here?

That, in so many words, is what's happened here, yes.

I know have a picture in my head of Asensio coming off the phone to Emery like an excited teenager "OMG, OMFG, it was HIM!" with his mates all around him squeeling.

Is it at a pajama party, and who throws the first pillow?

Luka Modric is babysitting 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on May 30, 2023, 10:57:51 AM
			

			

				Many of the Madrid social media outlets are claiming that Marco has chosen us. Need a bit of Fabrizio or Percy to bring this home now.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on May 30, 2023, 10:58:59 AM
			

			

				I haven't seen 'has chosen' but I have seen 'are closest'. I'm going to make myself a chamomile.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on May 30, 2023, 11:03:08 AM
			

			

				I went with chosen because to be close he’d have to have chosen us. I think. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on May 30, 2023, 11:04:29 AM
			

			

				I'm pretty sure that with no transfer fee, we are able to table a weekly wage that will make all but the absolute top players stop and think. But the real clincher is whether we can really convince him we are going to compete.

It would be nice and a massive statement of intent. But I will believe it when I see it!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Joe S on May 30, 2023, 11:35:14 AM
			

			

				
Nicolò Schira, I've no idea how legit he is:

(https://i.ibb.co/WKjZfZT/Screenshot-2023-05-30-113417.png) (https://ibb.co/WKjZfZT)

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: He wears a magic hat on May 30, 2023, 11:36:55 AM
			

			

				This will play out exactly how the Joao Felix rumour played out in January
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on May 30, 2023, 11:38:05 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 30, 2023, 11:03:08 AM
I went with chosen because to be close he’d have to have chosen us. I think.

I think it's more like we chose him.  ;)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 30, 2023, 11:38:17 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Joe S on May 30, 2023, 11:35:14 AM

Nicolò Schira, I've no idea how legit he is:

I've heard the name before and he's got plenty of followers, but I'll wait for Fabrizio or John Percy before I get too excited.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on May 30, 2023, 11:39:57 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Joe S on May 30, 2023, 11:35:14 AM

Nicolò Schira, I've no idea how legit he is:

(https://i.ibb.co/WKjZfZT/Screenshot-2023-05-30-113417.png) (https://ibb.co/WKjZfZT)


Nearly 300K followers, seems legit enough. Seems to have called Liverpool's new sporting director a few weeks ago.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on May 30, 2023, 11:41:12 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on May 30, 2023, 11:38:05 AM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 30, 2023, 11:03:08 AM
I went with chosen because to be close he’d have to have chosen us. I think.

I think it's more like we chose him.  ;)

I stand corrected. You are absolutely right.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on May 30, 2023, 11:41:18 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: He wears a magic hat on May 30, 2023, 11:36:55 AM
This will play out exactly how the Joao Felix rumour played out in January

I thought the other day about that, we did have genuine interest there, Emery referenced the deal himself. I know Chelsea have been a disaster and the move hasn't worked, but I did wonder if we'd look again at it in the summer if we could get more favourable terms somehow.

I'm sure many will say 'nah, he was shit' but you could see the talent is in there and the manager obviously rates him and sees how he could be used.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on May 30, 2023, 11:45:39 AM
			

			

				I hope this is true. It would be signing up there with Boubacar Kamara. I agree with others that this would make people take notice.  I won’t get a chub too quickly though.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 30, 2023, 11:49:35 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on May 30, 2023, 11:38:17 AM
Quote from: Joe S on May 30, 2023, 11:35:14 AM

Nicolò Schira, I've no idea how legit he is:

I've heard the name before and he's got plenty of followers, but I'll wait for Fabrizio or John Percy before I get too excited.

Made me smile. https://twitter.com/ZamuhAdan/status/1663146899279314946

The tweeter's bio is quite something as well, just a shame the association isn't in Ghana or Gabon.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on May 30, 2023, 11:51:02 AM
			

			

				With all due respect to Kamara, Asensio is on a higher shelf at the supermarket. Kamara has been superb and was a highly rated prospect. This is buying or acquiring proven quality. Numerous Spanish caps and needs his own trophy room for the amount of hardware he’s won as a pro.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on May 30, 2023, 11:53:23 AM
			

			

				When I looked through the free transfer options a while back Asensio was the one that really stood out for me as both a big upgrade for us and probably just about gettable if we could get into Europe.

If we can get this one over the line early, along with Guendouzi for the £25m-ish that seems to be doing the rounds, we'd have a lot of money spare for the 1-2 really big signings we need to push us into challenging for the top 4.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on May 30, 2023, 11:54:03 AM
			

			

				https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1663497417449254913?s=20 (https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1663497417449254913?s=20)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villatillidie25 on May 30, 2023, 12:03:21 PM
			

			

				does that mean it's time to get excited?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bad English on May 30, 2023, 12:05:15 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PeterWithe on May 29, 2023, 11:01:01 PM
Whilst I'd have no objection to Barnes I'd be surprised if we paid the English Premium after spending so much time and effort on the data analysis stuff.
I'd love it if we could put this in motion. If he can hold and give, but do it at the right time it doesn't matter if he is slow or fast, but he must get to the line because they'll always hit you and hurt you, defend and attack. I reckon he can probably beat them by getting round the back. I mean, catch him if you can because he's an England man, and what Emery is looking at is the master plan.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on May 30, 2023, 12:05:17 PM
			

			

				I think if we are pushing for an answer with PSG batting their wallets at him while playing coy, I reckon it could be a polite no.

But I like we are pushing for an answer so we can move on if it's a no, and not being prepared to wait all summer for him to get his makeup right.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on May 30, 2023, 12:12:15 PM
			

			

				We need a couple more players with 65 games to play next season.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on May 30, 2023, 12:18:11 PM
			

			

				Yep. That’s why we also need the loan kids to come back and prove themselves to the manager. They’ve all done well at their respective clubs but we need kids to add to the existing squad net of any departures, and then proper top quality in key spots and for depth to propel us forward again. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on May 30, 2023, 12:34:21 PM
			

			

				I think there will be quite a few where were used to try and move big clubs hands - and I think this will be one of those.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on May 30, 2023, 12:35:46 PM
			

			

				He can score goals from outside the box, we could really do with a player with that in his arsenal. Particularly as we get better and more teams park the bus.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Stu on May 30, 2023, 12:42:06 PM
			

			

				PSG and Italian clubs interested. Can't see this one happening. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on May 30, 2023, 12:56:15 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Stu on May 30, 2023, 12:42:06 PM
PSG and Italian clubs interested. Can't see this one happening. 

That’s shaken you I can tell. Believe in the power of Emery. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on May 30, 2023, 01:00:12 PM
			

			

				It basically comes down to two things how much he wants to work with Emery, and the draw of the Premier League. I doubt it’ll happen but would be excellent.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on May 30, 2023, 01:06:13 PM
			

			

				It'll happen.

Emery and PL will seal it. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Stu on May 30, 2023, 01:06:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 30, 2023, 12:56:15 PM
Quote from: Stu on May 30, 2023, 12:42:06 PM
PSG and Italian clubs interested. Can't see this one happening. 

That’s shaken you I can tell. Believe in the power of Emery.

If it were to happen, he would probably be the biggest signing we’ve ever made. I hope I’m surprised but I doubt I will be
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on May 30, 2023, 01:07:52 PM
			

			

				He’s going to attract a lot of interest. So it remains to be seen how convincing we have been as a club, not just Emery in trying to land him. Like Alemany it would shock me if he stayed at Real Madrid vs moving. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rigadon on May 30, 2023, 01:16:38 PM
			

			

				I can't get on board with any "its just good we're trying" stuff when it comes to big name signings (I actually know nothing about this player).  As far as I'm concerned, it's only good we're trying if we then 'get'.  I'd prefer not to know otherwise.

The club can't help rumours, of course.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on May 30, 2023, 01:21:45 PM
			

			

				Welcome to the 24 hour news cycle, social media and places like this. The club rarely ever comment until official or close to it. And best ignore anything as legitimate until specific football media with good reputations get involved. And even then nothing is guaranteed. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rigadon on May 30, 2023, 01:25:20 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 30, 2023, 01:21:45 PM
Welcome to the 24 hour news cycle, social media and places like this. The club rarely ever comment until official or close to it. And best ignore anything as legitimate until specific football media with good reputations get involved. And even then nothing is guaranteed. 

Absolutely.  Gotta fill the internet with stuff!  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LukeJames on May 30, 2023, 01:32:51 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Stu on May 30, 2023, 12:42:06 PM
PSG and Italian clubs interested. Can't see this one happening.
If we have the coin to make Kamara choose us over Atletico Madrid (even with Gerrard in charge) then we have the financial pull over pretty much every Italian club. PSG could offer bigger wages so then it's probably down to if he fancies the EPL or Ligue 1.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on May 30, 2023, 01:37:50 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LukeJames on May 30, 2023, 01:32:51 PM
Quote from: Stu on May 30, 2023, 12:42:06 PM
PSG and Italian clubs interested. Can't see this one happening.
If we have the coin to make Kamara choose us over Atletico Madrid (even with Gerrard in charge) then we have the financial pull over pretty much every Italian club. PSG could offer bigger wages so then it's probably down to if he fancies the EPL or Ligue 1.

Might have had enough of being not a nailed on starter at clubs that like to buy show ponies every year, who knows? I imagine we're only pushing if we've had some encouragment that it's possible.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ads on May 30, 2023, 01:42:31 PM
			

			

				He appears to have a left foot like a traction engine.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 30, 2023, 01:47:10 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on May 30, 2023, 01:06:13 PM
It'll happen.

Emery and PL will seal it. 

Probably best we leave Lambert out of this one.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on May 30, 2023, 01:50:30 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ads on May 30, 2023, 01:42:31 PM
He appears to have a left foot like a traction engine.

His othet foot doesn't look too shabby either.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on May 30, 2023, 02:00:23 PM
			

			

				https://twitter.com/lmechegaray/status/1663502781276119040?s=20

Reportedly (reliable Spanish source) there's a solid offer there which player is considering as he wants more playing time than he'll get at Madrid. Would imagine it would be the same at PSG so let's see how persuasive emery is
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: jwarry on May 30, 2023, 02:01:02 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ads on May 30, 2023, 01:42:31 PM
He appears to have a left foot like a traction engine.

Not half! https://youtu.be/w5elqnUoZn0 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on May 30, 2023, 02:03:35 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: jwarry on May 30, 2023, 02:01:02 PM
Quote from: Ads on May 30, 2023, 01:42:31 PM
He appears to have a left foot like a traction engine.

Not half! https://youtu.be/w5elqnUoZn0

Reminds me of Harry Kewell.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 30, 2023, 02:05:57 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: coreyfeldman on May 30, 2023, 02:00:23 PM
https://twitter.com/lmechegaray/status/1663502781276119040?s=20

Reportedly (reliable Spanish source) there's a solid offer there which player is considering as he wants more playing time than he'll get at Madrid. Would imagine it would be the same at PSG so let's see how persuasive emery is

If we do sign him I want his nickname to be 'Scrubs'.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john2710 on May 30, 2023, 02:13:22 PM
			

			

				There's no money in Italy. PSG have the money but no strategy & no competition in a one horse race. If he wants money, playing time & to improve he'll come to the Premier League. 

Whether he'll come to us, is another thing.

I suspect he'll stay where he is.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 30, 2023, 02:16:03 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on May 30, 2023, 02:03:35 PM
Quote from: jwarry on May 30, 2023, 02:01:02 PM
Quote from: Ads on May 30, 2023, 01:42:31 PM
He appears to have a left foot like a traction engine.

Not half! https://youtu.be/w5elqnUoZn0

Reminds me of Harry Kewell.


He likes a shot 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on May 30, 2023, 02:55:32 PM
			

			

				WOW.

I make a point of not watching YouTube clips as they can flatter to deceive or you can get carried away. Though having watched that footage of Asensio, he looks a special player.

Clearly he scores spectacular goals, and he also looks like he has the pace to run away from defenders with the ball and he has a quality first touch. I might allow myself to get just a little bit giddy.  :D
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Goldenballs on May 30, 2023, 03:19:42 PM
			

			

				I hope we're not being used to flush out other bigger players.

The nice thing is that I've got every confidence that the board and Emery are doing everything possible to sell the ambition of the club and offer good contracts. If the top tier players don't fancy it, it won't be through our lack of trying. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on May 30, 2023, 03:24:27 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: john2710 on May 30, 2023, 02:13:22 PM
There's no money in Italy. PSG have the money but no strategy & no competition in a one horse race. If he wants money, playing time & to improve he'll come to the Premier League. 

Whether he'll come to us, is another thing.

I suspect he'll stay where he is.


I think he'll move. He's tired of being a bit-part player there. And you have to ask whether it would be much different at PSG. With where we are in our 'project', he would be a key player and has a highly respected coach trying to persuade him. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Keeno on May 30, 2023, 03:31:21 PM
			

			

				I agree he'll probably move. He's not got a long term future at Madrid, whatever they do going forward. If PSG want to offer him silly money, then fair enough. 

The thing that makes me more confident is that Unai's reputation in Spain is immaculate - he'll be a massive draw in this. Other than Pep he's probably the most able manager to convince a player like Asensio to come to the PL. 

I'm excited by the fact that we're seriously looking at/negotiating with a player in his profile - exactly the wide forward/second striker we need, but would represent a huge upgrade on what we have at the moment. Gonna be some team next year if we can add 2-3 players at his level. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on May 30, 2023, 04:04:51 PM
			

			

				I can’t understand any player wanting to go to PSG on footballing reasons 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dave shelley on May 30, 2023, 04:10:30 PM
			

			

				Isn't his agent that Wolves bloke Mendes our new best friend?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 30, 2023, 04:12:43 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: dave shelley on May 30, 2023, 04:10:30 PM
Isn't his agent that Wolves bloke Mendes our new best friend?

Yes 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on May 30, 2023, 04:14:28 PM
			

			

				I reckon hell be announced before the end of the week.

I don't know anything I just think this is happening and is nearly done.

Then we can move on to Prowsey and maybe Guendouzi. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on May 30, 2023, 04:18:30 PM
			

			

				https://twitter.com/MadridXtra/status/1663553560901189642?s=20 (https://twitter.com/MadridXtra/status/1663553560901189642?s=20)

Announcing he is leaving tomorrow, allegedly.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Chris_Jephcott on May 30, 2023, 04:22:48 PM
			

			

				It’s a bit different to Jordan Bowery this! 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on May 30, 2023, 04:27:04 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Chris_Jephcott on May 30, 2023, 04:22:48 PM
It’s a bit different to Jordan Bowery this! 

Yeah, but can Asensio do stunts in wheelchairs?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on May 30, 2023, 05:04:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 30, 2023, 12:18:11 PM
Yep. That’s why we also need the loan kids to come back and prove themselves to the manager. They’ve all done well at their respective clubs but we need kids to add to the existing squad net of any departures, and then proper top quality in key spots and for depth to propel us forward again.
This. Absolutely 100% this. We need to build a squad.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: frank black on May 30, 2023, 05:10:01 PM
			

			

				When we get linked with players like this, I’m just waiting for a champions league teams to announce he’s signing for them instead. Certainly be a coup 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on May 30, 2023, 05:28:44 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: frank black on May 30, 2023, 05:10:01 PM
When we get linked with players like this, I’m just waiting for a champions league teams to announce he’s signing for them instead. Certainly be a coup 
Yeah, feels a bit too similar to the Felix links.  But, you've got to be in it to win it.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 30, 2023, 05:28:53 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on May 30, 2023, 04:18:30 PM
https://twitter.com/MadridXtra/status/1663553560901189642?s=20 (https://twitter.com/MadridXtra/status/1663553560901189642?s=20)

Announcing he is leaving tomorrow, allegedly.

One of the Madridista comments is "murió el fútbol". Not the most self-aware bunch, are they?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Hookeysmith on May 30, 2023, 05:30:54 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: jwarry on May 30, 2023, 02:01:02 PM
Quote from: Ads on May 30, 2023, 01:42:31 PM
He appears to have a left foot like a traction engine.

Not half! https://youtu.be/w5elqnUoZn0 

I think ive just cum 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on May 30, 2023, 05:32:19 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on May 30, 2023, 05:28:44 PM
Quote from: frank black on May 30, 2023, 05:10:01 PM
When we get linked with players like this, I’m just waiting for a champions league teams to announce he’s signing for them instead. Certainly be a coup 
Yeah, feels a bit too similar to the Felix links.  But, you've got to be in it to win it.

When we were trying to get Felix, we were stuck in 11th in the table with our ambition being to finish in the top half. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bad English on May 30, 2023, 05:33:09 PM
			

			

				PSG are wankers, Messi is off, Mbappe might not want to be a big fish in a mediocre pond any more, plus PSG are wankers. (Re them signing our targets. ******!)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on May 30, 2023, 05:35:47 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Hookeysmith on May 30, 2023, 05:30:54 PM
Quote from: jwarry on May 30, 2023, 02:01:02 PM
He appears to have a left foot like a traction engine.

Not half! https://youtu.be/w5elqnUoZn0 

I think ive just cum 
[/quote]

Yeah, he's no Tonev is he?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bad English on May 30, 2023, 05:36:46 PM
			

			

				I had to pull out of that video early as I was getting too excited.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on May 30, 2023, 05:43:11 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bad English on May 30, 2023, 05:36:46 PM
I had to pull out of that video early as I was getting too excited.

Watch one goal, stop for a bit, watch another and so forth. By the end you'll fill a bath
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on May 30, 2023, 05:49:36 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on May 30, 2023, 04:18:30 PM

Announcing he is leaving tomorrow, allegedly.

It’s the Final Countdown.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on May 30, 2023, 05:51:50 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PeterWithe on May 30, 2023, 05:49:36 PM
Quote from: Dogtanian on May 30, 2023, 04:18:30 PM

Announcing he is leaving tomorrow, allegedly.

It’s the Final Countdown.

He'll end up somewhere in Europe
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on May 30, 2023, 05:53:01 PM
			

			

				Don't know much about him but I won't watch that video in case he ends up elsewhere. Another free transfer coup would be nice, even if his wages would be humongous. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: clash city rocker on May 30, 2023, 05:55:29 PM
			

			

				10 Bob a week  a bargain I reckon
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: jwarry on May 30, 2023, 05:55:36 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clampy on May 30, 2023, 05:53:01 PM
Don't know much about him but I won't watch that video in case he ends up elsewhere. Another free transfer coup would be nice, even if his wages will be humongous. 

Just watch it Clampy.  Even if he doesn’t come you will appreciate it 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on May 30, 2023, 06:17:26 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: jwarry on May 30, 2023, 02:01:02 PM
Quote from: Ads on May 30, 2023, 01:42:31 PM
He appears to have a left foot like a traction engine.

Not half! https://youtu.be/w5elqnUoZn0 
I mean he looks ok.  Bit like Conor really.

Looks good at one on ones, hope he doesn't go elsewhere in the PL, wouldn't fancy facing him with our high line.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 30, 2023, 08:09:03 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on May 30, 2023, 05:32:19 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on May 30, 2023, 05:28:44 PM
Quote from: frank black on May 30, 2023, 05:10:01 PM
When we get linked with players like this, I’m just waiting for a champions league teams to announce he’s signing for them instead. Certainly be a coup 
Yeah, feels a bit too similar to the Felix links.  But, you've got to be in it to win it.

When we were trying to get Felix, we were stuck in 11th in the table with our ambition being to finish in the top half. 

I never really thought we'd get Felix in January but the chatter on this one seems to be a lot more positive and fairly well-sourced. No guarantees but I'm hopeful, and it would get the window off to a great start.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smithy on May 30, 2023, 08:33:31 PM
			

			

				Signing a 27-year-old forward and current Spanish international from Real Madrid doesn't sound like a very Villa thing to do. I love that it's even being discussed as a perfectly reasonable thing for us to be doing these days.  His scoring record isn't particularly prolific, so can anyone confirm if he's generally played as a winger rather than as an out and out striker? I suspect he would be brought in to play in Bailey's position?

His highlight reel looks incredible, but these days everyone's does.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: frank black on May 30, 2023, 08:38:18 PM
			

			

				Apparently he doesn’t like playing where Madrid put him, which is wider. He sees himself as a 10. According to the gossip 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on May 30, 2023, 08:45:22 PM
			

			

				For all the talk of Gerrard raising our profile in the transfer market, we really do seem to be taken more seriously with Unai.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rigadon on May 30, 2023, 09:06:24 PM
			

			

				You feckers have got me watching the youtube clips of Asensio. Blimey. 

Bastards.








Only if he now doesn't sign. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on May 30, 2023, 09:14:06 PM
			

			

				As someone has already said, I will get excited when John Percy tells us it's happening.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SaddVillan on May 30, 2023, 09:15:31 PM
			

			

				With us playing Thursday/Sunday, we'll  need to strengthen the squad.

Shift a few out - raises cash and reduces the wage bill - Marvelous, Davis, Sanson, Hause, Wesley

Promote two/three from the youth team/reserves - Cam Archer, Tim Iroegbunam 

Look to bring in a few on free transfers - Kamara style 

Spend where required to bring in quality additions in the right areas

The free transfers/money signings will be carefully scouted to ensure they fit our culture and style of play and are an upgrade on what we already have.

Don't expect us to be buying too many "squad" players a la Engels/Bednarek.

And of the current squad, Traore/Buendia/Bailey will all have to perform a whole lot better.

ASENSIO
If we do manage to sign him, it will be on a free transfer (like Kamara last year) -  very astute financially as it will have zero affect on our FFP numbers and leave our pot of transfer cash fully available to spend elsewhere.

The consensus on Twitter seems to be that Asensio is attaching more "weight" to the "project" than money and wants regular first team footie instead of being rotated in and out of a team of "stars" where he isn't guaranteed regular football, but instead spends quite a time on the bench or in the stands.

Reckon we're aiming to get several deals "done" before the transfer windows open and I fully expect us to pull one out of the that nobody saw coming.


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SaddVillan on May 30, 2023, 09:18:44 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on May 30, 2023, 09:14:06 PM
As someone has already said, I will get excited when John Percy tells us it's happening. 

Or Fabrizio
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Chris_Jephcott on May 30, 2023, 09:20:42 PM
			

			

				Ahem… a few years ago, I would have been ridiculed for even mentioning this but… 

Messi. Had contact with Premier League clubs. Could Emi be in his ear following on from that interview a couple of weeks ago? Didn’t Emi say something similar in an interview prior to another transfer being concluded last close season? 

I genuinely don’t know if we should, but he’s a free agent and wants to sort out his next club very quickly.



I just wonder… 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on May 30, 2023, 09:24:26 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Chris_Jephcott on May 30, 2023, 09:20:42 PM
Ahem… a few years ago, I would have been ridiculed for even mentioning this but… 

Messi. Had contact with Premier League clubs. Could Emi be in his ear following on from that interview a couple of weeks ago? Didn’t Emi say something similar in an interview prior to another transfer being concluded last close season? 

I genuinely don’t know if we should, but he’s a free agent and wants to sort out his next club very quickly.



I just wonder… 

Sky mentioned a host of clubs were in for him, plus an un-named Premier Division club.  Who knows?  Would be a circus but would certainly make people stand up and take notice. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 30, 2023, 09:26:20 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smithy on May 30, 2023, 08:33:31 PM
Signing a 27-year-old forward and current Spanish international from Real Madrid doesn't sound like a very Villa thing to do. I love that it's even being discussed as a perfectly reasonable thing for us to be doing these days.  His scoring record isn't particularly prolific, so can anyone confirm if he's generally played as a winger rather than as an out and out striker? I suspect he would be brought in to play in Bailey's position?

His highlight reel looks incredible, but these days everyone's does.


you should see mine 👀
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on May 30, 2023, 09:27:29 PM
			

			

				Steady on now
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on May 30, 2023, 09:33:00 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Chris_Jephcott on May 30, 2023, 09:20:42 PM
Ahem… a few years ago, I would have been ridiculed for even mentioning this but… 

Messi. Had contact with Premier League clubs. Could Emi be in his ear following on from that interview a couple of weeks ago? Didn’t Emi say something similar in an interview prior to another transfer being concluded last close season? 

I genuinely don’t know if we should, but he’s a free agent and wants to sort out his next club very quickly.



I just wonder…
Yeah, oddly I was wondering that earlier today.

I mean ... it'd be something, wouldn't it?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on May 30, 2023, 09:36:10 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on May 30, 2023, 09:24:26 PM
Quote from: Chris_Jephcott on May 30, 2023, 09:20:42 PM
Ahem… a few years ago, I would have been ridiculed for even mentioning this but… 

Messi. Had contact with Premier League clubs. Could Emi be in his ear following on from that interview a couple of weeks ago? Didn’t Emi say something similar in an interview prior to another transfer being concluded last close season? 

I genuinely don’t know if we should, but he’s a free agent and wants to sort out his next club very quickly.



I just wonder… 

Sky mentioned a host of clubs were in for him, plus an un-named Premier Division club.  Who knows?  Would be a circus but would certainly make people stand up and take notice.

Emi was posting about cooking him bbqs and taking a wage cut to help with his salary last week!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV82EC on May 30, 2023, 09:42:14 PM
			

			

				This is going to sound mad but would he be all that? I get it it’s Messi but he’s deffo on the wane and my worry is he’d be a drag on us like Ronaldo at ManYew. I don’t think he’d come but I’d be posting on the worried thread as to the impact. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 30, 2023, 09:43:35 PM
			

			

				I think the Circus around him
wouldn’t be good for what the manager is trying to
achieve .   ha ha listen to me 😃
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on May 30, 2023, 09:48:08 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on May 30, 2023, 09:43:35 PM
I think the Circus around him
wouldn’t be good for what the manager is trying to
achieve .   ha ha listen to me 😃
I typed a similar post and thought I’d look too daft so deleted it.
I’m not sure Emery would want the distraction.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Chris_Jephcott on May 30, 2023, 09:51:32 PM
			

			

				It would be a total circus - no doubt at all. 

I don’t know if he’d cut it either in the Premier League given gems in the twilight of his career. However, if Asensio comes, I genuinely think anything could happen. 

I remember seeing one of those memes with a stack of dominos all starting with a cabbage being thrown at Steve Bruce. And now, here we are discussing whether Messi would be a welcome addition to our team.

 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on May 30, 2023, 10:00:42 PM
			

			

				I would not worry your heads too much about Messi coming.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: thick_mike on May 30, 2023, 10:04:24 PM
			

			

				I saw Messi in his pomp playing with Suarez and Neymar. He just walked around the pitch a bit, did nothing and scored two and made two assists. I wondered if he would get away with that in the Prem.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on May 30, 2023, 10:09:04 PM
			

			

				Messi will go to whoever pays him the most. He blarted like a titty babbie when he's beloved Barcelona couldn't afford to pay him what he wanted. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on May 30, 2023, 10:13:07 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clampy on May 30, 2023, 10:09:04 PM
Messi will go to whoever pays him the most. He blarted like a titty babbie when he's beloved Barcelona couldn't afford to pay him what he wanted. 

He’s off to Saudi to earn a few squillion on an 8 year contract. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on May 30, 2023, 10:13:41 PM
			

			

				C'mon lads, behave. He's apparently been offered £300m to play in Saudi Arabia. He isn't coming to the Premier League, and he certainly isn't coming to B6.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on May 30, 2023, 10:17:48 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV82EC on May 30, 2023, 09:42:14 PM
This is going to sound mad but would he be all that? I get it it’s Messi but he’s deffo on the wane and my worry is he’d be a drag on us like Ronaldo at ManYew.

As he showed in the World Cup all of six months ago, he'd be one of the best players in the league.

But if he came to the Premier League, there's no reason he'd go anywhere other than Man City, obviously. 

And he won't go to Man City, he'll have a year in the Middle East, then a year in MLS, then a year in Argentina, then retire on a bed of money. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on May 30, 2023, 10:18:51 PM
			

			

				Indeed.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on May 30, 2023, 10:21:50 PM
			

			

				I don't know whats more ridiculous, the thought of signing Messi or turning my nose up at it. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: aldridgeboy on May 30, 2023, 10:23:04 PM
			

			

				Whilst one of the best ever, I can't see him being Emery's type? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: danno on May 30, 2023, 10:24:30 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clampy on May 30, 2023, 10:09:04 PM
Messi will go to whoever pays him the most. He blarted like a titty babbie when he's beloved Barcelona couldn't afford to pay him what he wanted.

That isn’t what happened though.
(Granted the crying happened).

He agreed a 50% pay cut, and Barcelona withdrew the offer.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 30, 2023, 10:25:01 PM
			

			

				Anyone who thinks there’s a chance of Messi coming = on crack. 
Anyone who thinks he’s not up to it = on crack and crystal meth. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on May 30, 2023, 10:25:53 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: danno on May 30, 2023, 10:24:30 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 30, 2023, 10:09:04 PM
Messi will go to whoever pays him the most. He blarted like a titty babbie when he's beloved Barcelona couldn't afford to pay him what he wanted.

That isn’t what happened though.
(Granted the crying happened).

He agreed a 50% pay cut, and Barcelona withdrew the offer.

(were forced by La Liga to withdraw the offer)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 30, 2023, 10:28:45 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 30, 2023, 10:25:01 PM
Anyone who thinks there’s a chance of Messi coming = on crack. 
Anyone who thinks he’s not up to it = on crack and crystal meth. 

How else are they supposed to keep going once the crack wears off?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on May 30, 2023, 10:28:56 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clampy on May 30, 2023, 10:09:04 PM
Messi will go to whoever pays him the most. He blarted like a titty babbie when he's beloved Barcelona couldn't afford to pay him what he wanted.

I read this morning he’s been offered 1.2 billion for 2 years in The Middle East.
 What I didn’t get about his Barcelona departure is if he wanted to stay so badly, why didn’t he just drop his wage demands to make it financially visible for the club to keep him?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on May 30, 2023, 10:29:34 PM
			

			

				(I think he'd throw the balance of everything off I mean if Ronaldo with his physical attributes was more a hindrance than help at Man Utd then I mean I don't think it would be much different especially given the percussive nature of the division and that we'd be essentially set up to carry him which is just about fine if you're Man City with Haaland but even then he has actually adapted to the way they play and at the top of the game now you need everyone pulling all of their weight but I don't know of course this is all mad)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on May 30, 2023, 10:32:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV82EC on May 30, 2023, 09:42:14 PM
This is going to sound mad but would he be all that? I get it it’s Messi but he’s deffo on the wane and my worry is he’d be a drag on us like Ronaldo at ManYew. I don’t think he’d come but I’d be posting on the worried thread as to the impact. 

We ain’t getting Messi but in 41 games this season he’s been involved in 40 goals. That’s hardly on the wane. Plus 6 months ago he proved himself yet again the best in the world. Good fat chewing convo though. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on May 30, 2023, 10:34:22 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: danno on May 30, 2023, 10:24:30 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 30, 2023, 10:09:04 PM
Messi will go to whoever pays him the most. He blarted like a titty babbie when he's beloved Barcelona couldn't afford to pay him what he wanted.

That isn’t what happened though.
(Granted the crying happened).

He agreed a 50% pay cut, and Barcelona withdrew the offer.
Quote from: Dave on May 30, 2023, 10:25:53 PM
Quote from: danno on May 30, 2023, 10:24:30 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 30, 2023, 10:09:04 PM
Messi will go to whoever pays him the most. He blarted like a titty babbie when he's beloved Barcelona couldn't afford to pay him what he wanted.

That isn’t what happened though.
(Granted the crying happened).

He agreed a 50% pay cut, and Barcelona withdrew the offer.

(were forced by the La Liga to withdraw the offer)

Yes I’m not a big fan of some of his choices, but in the context of what he can earn he more than tried to facilitate a way to stay at Barca.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Lsvilla on May 30, 2023, 10:35:09 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on May 30, 2023, 10:28:56 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 30, 2023, 10:09:04 PM
Messi will go to whoever pays him the most. He blarted like a titty babbie when he's beloved Barcelona couldn't afford to pay him what he wanted.

I read this morning he’s been offered 1.2 billion for 2 years in The Middle East.
 What I didn’t get about his Barcelona departure is if he wanted to stay so badly, why didn’t he just drop his wage demands to make it financially visible for the club to keep him?
Isn't there something in Spanish law that makes it illegal for a new contract to reduce a persons wage from that previously in place ? So Barca couldn't reduce his wages regardless of what Messi offered to take and couldn't afford him within their overall salary cap. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Goldenballs on May 30, 2023, 10:37:28 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on May 30, 2023, 10:28:56 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 30, 2023, 10:09:04 PM
Messi will go to whoever pays him the most. He blarted like a titty babbie when he's beloved Barcelona couldn't afford to pay him what he wanted.

I read this morning he’s been offered 1.2 billion for 2 years in The Middle East.
 What I didn’t get about his Barcelona departure is if he wanted to stay so badly, why didn’t he just drop his wage demands to make it financially visible for the club to keep him?

I've thought that too, I'd play for Villa for fuck all rather than reduce my demands to €1m a week then cry when they can't afford it. He's leaving PSG because they want to reduce his wages in any new deal. 

Barca are trying to concoct some deal where he's on a 'low' basic wage but gets all profits of merchandise or some bollocks like that. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on May 30, 2023, 10:41:02 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on May 30, 2023, 10:28:56 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 30, 2023, 10:09:04 PM
Messi will go to whoever pays him the most. He blarted like a titty babbie when he's beloved Barcelona couldn't afford to pay him what he wanted.

I read this morning he’s been offered 1.2 billion for 2 years in The Middle East.
 What I didn’t get about his Barcelona departure is if he wanted to stay so badly, why didn’t he just drop his wage demands to make it financially visible for the club to keep him?

He offered to reduce his salary as much as he legally could (50% of his previous salary).

Spanish law says that you can't sign up for less than that, apparently as an anti-fraud measure. 

I don't pretend to know why that law is there, but it appears to be pretty much cast-iron that Messi didn't leave Barcelona due to personal greed.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on May 30, 2023, 10:43:15 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on May 30, 2023, 10:41:02 PM
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on May 30, 2023, 10:28:56 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 30, 2023, 10:09:04 PM
Messi will go to whoever pays him the most. He blarted like a titty babbie when he's beloved Barcelona couldn't afford to pay him what he wanted.

I read this morning he’s been offered 1.2 billion for 2 years in The Middle East.
 What I didn’t get about his Barcelona departure is if he wanted to stay so badly, why didn’t he just drop his wage demands to make it financially visible for the club to keep him?

He offered to reduce his salary as much as he legally could (50% of his previous salary).

Spanish law says that you can't sign up for less than that, apparently as an anti-fraud measure. 

I don't pretend to know why that law is there, but it appears to be pretty much cast-iron that Messi didn't leave Barcelona due to personal greed.

I see. Thanks for that.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 30, 2023, 11:19:38 PM
			

			

				If he goes Saudi now though it can only be greed. There will be zero other reasons.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bad English on May 30, 2023, 11:27:48 PM
			

			

				I saw Messi play with Mbappe and Neymar last year. Same as the other poster: he just wanders round and seems to do fuck all basically. This was PSG vs Lorient. You'd think he'd be sticking 3 past them and assisting the other two for a 7-0 drubbing. Oh no, it was 1-0 (Neymar).
If he's coming to Villa, I'm getting noshed off by Monica Bellucci on the Holte as he runs on for his debut. While Penelope Cruz waits her turn.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on May 30, 2023, 11:30:19 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bad English on May 30, 2023, 11:27:48 PM
I saw Messi play with Mbappe and Neymar last year. Same as the other poster: he just wanders round and seems to do fuck all basically. This was PSG vs Lorient. You'd think he'd be sticking 3 past them and assisting the other two for a 7-0 drubbing. Oh no, it was 1-0 (Neymar).
If he's coming to Villa, I'm getting noshed off by Monica Bellucci on the Holte as he runs on for his debut. While Penelope Cruz waits her turn.
Just to clarify, is Penelope Cruz waiting her turn to run on for her debut, or, erm, the other thing.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 30, 2023, 11:33:33 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on May 30, 2023, 11:19:38 PM
There will be zero other reasons.

Nine of them, by the sound of it.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: charlatan on May 31, 2023, 12:19:55 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Monty on May 29, 2023, 09:33:08 PM
There is no way, not a chance, not even the slightest possibility that 'Bella-Kotchap' is a real person.
Police still not Kotchap who put Bella in the Wych Elm?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on May 31, 2023, 12:39:39 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bad English on May 30, 2023, 11:27:48 PM
I saw Messi play with Mbappe and Neymar last year. Same as the other poster: he just wanders round and seems to do fuck all basically. This was PSG vs Lorient. You'd think he'd be sticking 3 past them and assisting the other two for a 7-0 drubbing. Oh no, it was 1-0 (Neymar).
If he's coming to Villa, I'm getting noshed off by Monica Bellucci on the Holte as he runs on for his debut. While Penelope Cruz waits her turn.

She'd be quite a signing, but I'm not sure Emery would want two up front. We know the outrage that would cause.


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on May 31, 2023, 12:41:43 AM
			

			

				I wonder if there's a deal in the offing where he goes to the Middle East and then gets 'loaned' to the Premier League. There's probably a rule against it, but who knows. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: thick_mike on May 31, 2023, 12:55:20 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bad English on May 30, 2023, 11:27:48 PM
I saw Messi play with Mbappe and Neymar last year. Same as the other poster: he just wanders round and seems to do fuck all basically. This was PSG vs Lorient. You'd think he'd be sticking 3 past them and assisting the other two for a 7-0 drubbing. Oh no, it was 1-0 (Neymar).
If he's coming to Villa, I'm getting noshed off by Monica Bellucci on the Holte as he runs on for his debut. While Penelope Cruz waits her turn.

He did nothing except score two and set up another two. Like nothing I’ve ever seen. Zero contribution apart from the four goals. Like I said, I’m not sure that would be accepted in the premier league.

It won’t happen anyway, but he plays a different game to anyone I’ve ever seen before.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on May 31, 2023, 01:12:05 AM
			

			

				He is almost 36 though. Ten years ago he was a hard worker. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on May 31, 2023, 07:23:58 AM
			

			

				Haha, lovely as it is to think of Messi at the Villa, it would fill me with dread.

He wouldn’t come to sit on the bench, he’d demand to start.
He’d limit Unai’s tactical flexibility having to cater to him in every match.
He’d use up all the extra revenue being squeezed out of the ticket prices, shady sponsor deals, and more all by himself and stop us getting others in.
We’d have loads of tourist fans crawling all over us.

And for all his wealth and success, to my knowledge, he is yet to have a decent haircut!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Holy Trinity on May 31, 2023, 07:50:53 AM
			

			

				As entertaining as this is to read, no body has to worry! Messi isn't coming within a country mile of B6 and we all know it. He's dodged the prem his whole career as he most likely doesn't fancy getting scissored by Ben Mee or his ilk on a regular basis!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: sid1964 on May 31, 2023, 07:56:30 AM
			

			

				Supposedly we are looking to sign Rodrigo from Leeds
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 31, 2023, 08:01:14 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: sid1964 on May 31, 2023, 07:56:30 AM
Supposedly we are looking to sign Rodrigo from Leeds

Not the marquee signing we were hoping for but a solid player and versatile too. 

Not sure what it’d mean for Archer though as he’d surely be the first reserve rather than a starter (once we land some big guns).
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on May 31, 2023, 08:04:21 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on May 31, 2023, 08:01:14 AM
Quote from: sid1964 on May 31, 2023, 07:56:30 AM
Supposedly we are looking to sign Rodrigo from Leeds

Not the marquee signing we were hoping for but a solid player and versatile too. 

Not sure what it’d mean for Archer though as he’d surely be the first reserve rather than a starter (once we land some big guns).

The marquee signing we need is in that second striker position in my opinion - the backup/competition to Watkins needs to be carefully chosen, and Rodrigo might well do the trick.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: rob_bridge on May 31, 2023, 08:17:08 AM
			

			

				We need a good 2nd string and we haven't got that now, including 2 keepers.

We need first a foremost a better right back and advanced player to compete with Buendia with Bert as back up Coutinho and Bailey can go.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on May 31, 2023, 08:22:15 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Monty on May 31, 2023, 08:04:21 AM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on May 31, 2023, 08:01:14 AM
Quote from: sid1964 on May 31, 2023, 07:56:30 AM
Supposedly we are looking to sign Rodrigo from Leeds

Not the marquee signing we were hoping for but a solid player and versatile too. 

Not sure what it’d mean for Archer though as he’d surely be the first reserve rather than a starter (once we land some big guns).

The marquee signing we need is in that second striker position in my opinion - the backup/competition to Watkins needs to be carefully chosen, and Rodrigo might well do the trick.

Yes, agree with that. The only position in the team that I felt we still looked a bit weak was that one, Buendia, Bailey, Traore and Coutinho all inconsistent (and Coutinho usually injured). I think Buendia should stay but 2 of the others should go and our biggest signing needs to be a new player to go straight in.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: nigel on May 31, 2023, 08:23:12 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on May 30, 2023, 10:13:41 PM
C'mon lads, behave. He's apparently been offered £300m to play in Saudi Arabia. He isn't coming to the Premier League, and he certainly isn't coming to B6.

My first thought was Newcastle when an unnamed Premier League team was mentioned.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on May 31, 2023, 08:27:01 AM
			

			

				edit - ignore
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Nunkin1965 on May 31, 2023, 08:31:03 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on May 31, 2023, 08:27:01 AM
edit - ignore
Oh bugger!
That had my head spinning for a few minutes..
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on May 31, 2023, 09:14:22 AM
			

			

				Oooh…transfer season is truly upon us as the private jet watchers are out tracking activity. Inbound Madrid to Birmingham for 10 hours apparently 

https://twitter.com/thetrees80/status/1663788108502953984?s=46&t=0-BUXD66ovTcofwrbTW4Ag
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on May 31, 2023, 09:28:04 AM
			

			

				Always made me smile that kind of stuff, 'tomorrow, there will be a plane arriving, at Birmingham Airport'
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on May 31, 2023, 09:29:02 AM
			

			

				Juventus being linked with Christian Pulisic for £20m. Sounds cheap to me and could definitely take up a Bailey/ Buendia position for us.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on May 31, 2023, 09:30:36 AM
			

			

				What was the first time again? We were tracking Randy's jet going to Spain I think, for some reason?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on May 31, 2023, 09:38:04 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on May 31, 2023, 09:29:02 AM
Juventus being linked with Christian Pulisic for £20m. Sounds cheap to me and could definitely take up a Bailey/ Buendia position for us.
No from me. Waste of space this last season and not very impressive in his overall spell with chelsea. We need better, much better to upgrade Bailey/Buendia position.
 And as he is a yank doesn't know what to do with a round ball. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on May 31, 2023, 09:39:51 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Monty on May 31, 2023, 09:30:36 AM
What was the first time again? We were tracking Randy's jet going to Spain I think, for some reason?
Was it to meet McLeish on holiday there?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on May 31, 2023, 09:46:30 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: olaftab on May 31, 2023, 09:38:04 AM
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on May 31, 2023, 09:29:02 AM
Juventus being linked with Christian Pulisic for £20m. Sounds cheap to me and could definitely take up a Bailey/ Buendia position for us.
No from me. Waste of space this last season and not very impressive in his overall spell with chelsea. We need better, much better to upgrade Bailey/Buendia position.
 And as he is a yank doesn't know what to do with a round ball.

I think he’s had a few injuries this past season but with what’s been going on down there I don’t think anyone has covered themselves in glory, so no need to dismiss them, they’ve got some very good players. From what I’ve seen of him he’s done better than both of them (Bailey / Buendia) in the premier league and he can cover a couple of positions as well.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Duncan Shaw on May 31, 2023, 09:57:36 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: olaftab on May 31, 2023, 09:39:51 AM
Quote from: Monty on May 31, 2023, 09:30:36 AM
What was the first time again? We were tracking Randy's jet going to Spain I think, for some reason?
Was it to meet McLeish on holiday there?
Wasn't it him flying out to meet OGS in Norway?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on May 31, 2023, 09:58:12 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Duncan Shaw on May 31, 2023, 09:57:36 AM
Quote from: olaftab on May 31, 2023, 09:39:51 AM
Quote from: Monty on May 31, 2023, 09:30:36 AM
What was the first time again? We were tracking Randy's jet going to Spain I think, for some reason?
Was it to meet McLeish on holiday there?
Wasn't it him flying out to meet OGS in Norway?

Thaaat's the one. In hindsight, good god in heaven.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on May 31, 2023, 09:58:51 AM
			

			

				OGS and then TSM in Italy wasn't it?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: rob_bridge on May 31, 2023, 10:07:46 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on May 31, 2023, 09:58:51 AM
OGS and then TSM in Italy wasn't it?

Different years. TSM was 2011 and OGS 2012 (I thought with him it was an inbound)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on May 31, 2023, 10:09:33 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on May 31, 2023, 09:46:30 AM
Quote from: olaftab on May 31, 2023, 09:38:04 AM
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on May 31, 2023, 09:29:02 AM
Juventus being linked with Christian Pulisic for £20m. Sounds cheap to me and could definitely take up a Bailey/ Buendia position for us.
No from me. Waste of space this last season and not very impressive in his overall spell with chelsea. We need better, much better to upgrade Bailey/Buendia position.
 And as he is a yank doesn't know what to do with a round ball.
An excellent player before Chelsea and Injuries.

I think he’s had a few injuries this past season but with what’s been going on down there I don’t think anyone has covered themselves in glory, so no need to dismiss them, they’ve got some very good players. From what I’ve seen of him he’s done better than both of them (Bailey / Buendia) in the premier league and he can cover a couple of positions as well.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SoccerHQ on May 31, 2023, 11:00:39 AM
			

			

				Milenkovic-Savic being offered for 25m.

12 months left on his deal at Lazio. Regularly gets to double figures in Serie A (he's a CM) and has endless european experience over last 5 years so we should be all over that.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on May 31, 2023, 11:10:14 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: SoccerHQ on May 31, 2023, 11:00:39 AM
Milenkovic-Savic being offered for 25m.

12 months left on his deal at Lazio. Regularly gets to double figures in Serie A (he's a CM) and has endless european experience over last 5 years so we should be all over that.

He’s a big fucker as well.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 31, 2023, 11:13:51 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on May 31, 2023, 09:46:30 AM
Quote from: olaftab on May 31, 2023, 09:38:04 AM
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on May 31, 2023, 09:29:02 AM
Juventus being linked with Christian Pulisic for £20m. Sounds cheap to me and could definitely take up a Bailey/ Buendia position for us.
No from me. Waste of space this last season and not very impressive in his overall spell with chelsea. We need better, much better to upgrade Bailey/Buendia position.
 And as he is a yank doesn't know what to do with a round ball.

I think he’s had a few injuries this past season but with what’s been going on down there I don’t think anyone has covered themselves in glory, so no need to dismiss them, they’ve got some very good players. From what I’ve seen of him he’s done better than both of them (Bailey / Buendia) in the premier league and he can cover a couple of positions as well.

Yeah, he's a good player, I'd have him. Chelsea is a nightmare at the moment so I think it's hard to judge quite a few of them. Apart from Chukwuemeka, I hear he's shit.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Stu on May 31, 2023, 11:35:19 AM
			

			

				Ashley not getting offered a new contract 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on May 31, 2023, 11:36:14 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Stu on May 31, 2023, 11:35:19 AM
Ashley not getting offered a new contract

Assume we have someone lined up then?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on May 31, 2023, 11:40:03 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Stu on May 31, 2023, 11:35:19 AM
Ashley not getting offered a new contract 

Thought that might be the case. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 31, 2023, 11:41:20 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Stu on May 31, 2023, 11:35:19 AM
Ashley not getting offered a new contract


That’s a shame.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on May 31, 2023, 11:44:33 AM
			

			

				I suspected that might be the situation after Sunday, Its all well and good people saying we should sign him as a coach but perhaps he wants to keep playing, he's proved he can. One of our top performers last season.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 31, 2023, 11:48:03 AM
			

			

				He leaves on a high though !  Thanks Ashley ,  I said a thanks Ashley  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: rooboy316 on May 31, 2023, 12:13:50 PM
			

			

				For those of you who keep up with this stuff, is KKH not up to being backup RB for next season?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on May 31, 2023, 12:16:59 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: rooboy316 on May 31, 2023, 12:13:50 PM
For those of you who keep up with this stuff, is KKH not up to being backup RB for next season?

Well, he had his loan deal at Huddersfield cut short in January on their side. But, he did well at Swindon and MK Dons the season before.

I suspect he may get another loan out next season.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on May 31, 2023, 12:21:48 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: rooboy316 on May 31, 2023, 12:13:50 PM
For those of you who keep up with this stuff, is KKH not up to being backup RB for next season?

I've got a couple of mates who are Hudds ST holders, when I enquired they said he looked like he has the skills and game reading to make it, but not, at least at that stage, the physical strength. Think there may have been some doubts as to his attitude as well before they sent him back early. 

One for the future. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on May 31, 2023, 12:54:49 PM
			

			

				When there was talk about Chukwuemeka having a big ego, that KKH was a little similar. He's meant to have a bit of an attitude with the one loan move, thinking he was better than that. 

Dropping him back into his age group seems to be a way of saying 'you've not made it yet sunshine' and stepping back to see if he goes about it the right way. 

Seems to have the ability and I'm not sure about those comments about not being physically up to it. I think whether he makes it or not is down to what's between his ears and whether he's humble enough to be coachable. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on May 31, 2023, 01:49:37 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on May 31, 2023, 11:48:03 AM
He leaves on a high though !  Thanks Ashley ,  I said a thanks Ashley  

There’s gonna be a whole generation on here that have no idea what you did there
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 31, 2023, 03:00:01 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: john e on May 31, 2023, 01:49:37 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on May 31, 2023, 11:48:03 AM
He leaves on a high though !  Thanks Ashley ,  I said a thanks Ashley  

There’s gonna be a whole generation on here that have no idea what you did there

I wish I didn't. Hated having soaps on when I grew up, boring as a kid, boring as an adult.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 31, 2023, 03:29:55 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on May 31, 2023, 03:00:01 PM
Quote from: john e on May 31, 2023, 01:49:37 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on May 31, 2023, 11:48:03 AM
He leaves on a high though !  Thanks Ashley ,  I said a thanks Ashley  

There’s gonna be a whole generation on here that have no idea what you did there

I wish I didn't. Hated having soaps on when I grew up, boring as a kid, boring as an adult.


Sorry for the reminders 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on May 31, 2023, 03:32:16 PM
			

			

				One of the Portugese media outlets are saying Chelsea's move for Ugarte is falling apart because Broehly presented a package to him, equivalent to about £35k/week. 

Would be odd to look to match a £55m release clause and then offer the player those wage terms. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 31, 2023, 03:38:02 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on May 31, 2023, 03:29:55 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on May 31, 2023, 03:00:01 PM
Quote from: john e on May 31, 2023, 01:49:37 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on May 31, 2023, 11:48:03 AM
He leaves on a high though !  Thanks Ashley ,  I said a thanks Ashley  

There’s gonna be a whole generation on here that have no idea what you did there

I wish I didn't. Hated having soaps on when I grew up, boring as a kid, boring as an adult.


Sorry for the reminders

It's alright, I've had therapy. GET OUTTA MA PUB.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 31, 2023, 03:47:15 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on May 31, 2023, 03:32:16 PM
One of the Portugese media outlets are saying Chelsea's move for Ugarte is falling apart because Broehly presented a package to him, equivalent to about £35k/week. 

Would be odd to look to match a £55m release clause and then offer the player those wage terms. 

How many midfielders is it possible for one club to have?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ads on May 31, 2023, 04:17:08 PM
			

			

				If we offer £55.5m we could gazump Chelsea. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rigadon on May 31, 2023, 04:21:50 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ads on May 31, 2023, 04:17:08 PM
If we offer £55.5m we could gazump Chelsea. 

A bidding war, you say? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on May 31, 2023, 04:41:28 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on May 31, 2023, 03:32:16 PM
One of the Portugese media outlets are saying Chelsea's move for Ugarte is falling apart because Broehly presented a package to him, equivalent to about £35k/week. 

Would be odd to look to match a £55m release clause and then offer the player those wage terms. 
About a third of what Chuk is on?  It's clearly bollocks.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on May 31, 2023, 05:40:51 PM
			

			

				Probably but even the thought is entertaining. At least I found it so. Hopefully Chelsea are totally fucked in terms of FFP. Out of all the meeja 6 teams, I think they're the ones I despise the most. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smithy on May 31, 2023, 05:43:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on May 31, 2023, 05:40:51 PM
Probably but even the thought is entertaining. At least I found it so. Hopefully Chelsea are totally fucked in terms of FFP. Out of all the meeja 6 teams, I think they're the ones I despise the most. 

I really hope they are, because with no European distractions, a massive squad, and Pochettino in place, you'd think they will be a force in the race for the top four next season.  Clearly something is rotten there, so fingers crossed it takes Poch a while to figure it all out.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on May 31, 2023, 05:52:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on May 31, 2023, 05:40:51 PM
Probably but even the thought is entertaining. At least I found it so. Hopefully Chelsea are totally fucked in terms of FFP. Out of all the meeja 6 teams, I think they're the ones I despise the most.

I guess that having an academy that can bring in the thick end of half a billion in transfer fees is going to be a big help with that. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on May 31, 2023, 06:35:33 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on May 31, 2023, 03:00:01 PM
Quote from: john e on May 31, 2023, 01:49:37 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on May 31, 2023, 11:48:03 AM
He leaves on a high though !  Thanks Ashley ,  I said a thanks Ashley  

There’s gonna be a whole generation on here that have no idea what you did there

I wish I didn't. Hated having soaps on when I grew up, boring as a kid, boring as an adult.

Oooor maybe it’s yooou that’s boring.  😊
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 31, 2023, 06:38:58 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: john e on May 31, 2023, 06:35:33 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on May 31, 2023, 03:00:01 PM
Quote from: john e on May 31, 2023, 01:49:37 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on May 31, 2023, 11:48:03 AM
He leaves on a high though !  Thanks Ashley ,  I said a thanks Ashley  

There’s gonna be a whole generation on here that have no idea what you did there

I wish I didn't. Hated having soaps on when I grew up, boring as a kid, boring as an adult.

Oooor maybe it’s yooou that’s boring.  😊

Yeah, ya flamin' galaah.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: charlatan on May 31, 2023, 06:55:13 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: olaftab on May 31, 2023, 09:38:04 AM
 And as he is a yank doesn't know what to do with a round ball. 
Baseball, basketball, tennis, golf, pool?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Stu on May 31, 2023, 07:01:08 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: charlatan on May 31, 2023, 06:55:13 PM
Quote from: olaftab on May 31, 2023, 09:38:04 AM
 And as he is a yank doesn't know what to do with a round ball. 
Baseball, basketball, tennis, golf?


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on May 31, 2023, 07:18:05 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on May 31, 2023, 03:29:55 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on May 31, 2023, 03:00:01 PM
Quote from: john e on May 31, 2023, 01:49:37 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on May 31, 2023, 11:48:03 AM
He leaves on a high though !  Thanks Ashley ,  I said a thanks Ashley  

There’s gonna be a whole generation on here that have no idea what you did there

I wish I didn't. Hated having soaps on when I grew up, boring as a kid, boring as an adult.


Sorry for the reminders 

Don't be, I still miss Fred (Elliott, not Flinstone).
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on May 31, 2023, 07:18:54 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 31, 2023, 06:38:58 PM
Quote from: john e on May 31, 2023, 06:35:33 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on May 31, 2023, 03:00:01 PM
Quote from: john e on May 31, 2023, 01:49:37 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on May 31, 2023, 11:48:03 AM
He leaves on a high though !  Thanks Ashley ,  I said a thanks Ashley  

There’s gonna be a whole generation on here that have no idea what you did there

I wish I didn't. Hated having soaps on when I grew up, boring as a kid, boring as an adult.

Oooor maybe it’s yooou that’s boring.  😊

Yeah, ya flamin' galaah.

Rack off you dag
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Holy Trinity on May 31, 2023, 07:28:23 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on May 31, 2023, 07:18:54 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 31, 2023, 06:38:58 PM
Quote from: john e on May 31, 2023, 06:35:33 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on May 31, 2023, 03:00:01 PM
Quote from: john e on May 31, 2023, 01:49:37 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on May 31, 2023, 11:48:03 AM
He leaves on a high though !  Thanks Ashley ,  I said a thanks Ashley  

There’s gonna be a whole generation on here that have no idea what you did there

I wish I didn't. Hated having soaps on when I grew up, boring as a kid, boring as an adult.

Oooor maybe it’s yooou that’s boring.  😊

Yeah, ya flamin' galaah.

Rack off you dag

I remember watching an interview when I was a kid where someone told I think it was rebecca elmologue from home and away what rack off meant in the UK and she near died!!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on May 31, 2023, 07:30:30 PM
			

			

				Ah, the lovely Sophie….
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 31, 2023, 07:35:25 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on May 31, 2023, 07:30:30 PM
Ah, the lovely Sophie….

Her and her two mates.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on May 31, 2023, 07:36:33 PM
			

			

				Always thought her eyes were a touch too far apart
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 31, 2023, 07:38:26 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on May 31, 2023, 07:36:33 PM
Always thought her eyes were a touch too far apart

Oh yes. If only there were a suitable distraction from the eye over-spacing.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on May 31, 2023, 07:46:59 PM
			

			

				Tielemans on a free anyone? He’s never really impressed me that much. At least not in the last year but he’s got a decent reputation. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on May 31, 2023, 08:05:09 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 31, 2023, 07:35:25 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 31, 2023, 07:30:30 PM
Ah, the lovely Sophie….

Her and her two mates.

Forgot all about her…ah the memories…or should that be the mamm…
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Holy Trinity on May 31, 2023, 08:07:12 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on May 31, 2023, 08:05:09 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 31, 2023, 07:35:25 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 31, 2023, 07:30:30 PM
Ah, the lovely Sophie….

Her and her two mates.

Forgot all about her…ah the memories…or should that be the mamm…

She was my first proper crush! She was stunning from what I remember. Then isla Fisher came along and my love of crazy red heads was born.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 31, 2023, 08:12:43 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Holy Trinity on May 31, 2023, 08:07:12 PM
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on May 31, 2023, 08:05:09 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 31, 2023, 07:35:25 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 31, 2023, 07:30:30 PM
Ah, the lovely Sophie….

Her and her two mates.

Forgot all about her…ah the memories…or should that be the mamm…

She was my first proper crush! She was stunning from what I remember. Then isla Fisher came along and my love of crazy red heads was born.

Had never heard of here but having googled her, I'd suggest you don't do the same and just treasure the memories.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 31, 2023, 08:14:38 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on May 31, 2023, 07:36:33 PM
Always thought her eyes were a touch too far apart


She was lovely but always a bit grumpy ( obviously her character)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 31, 2023, 08:21:44 PM
			

			

				Bloody hell have we signed anyone yet 😳
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 31, 2023, 08:30:59 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on May 31, 2023, 08:21:44 PM
Bloody hell have we signed anyone yet 😳

No, have to say it's been a disappointing window so far. 

Think the owners are losing interest quicker than Holy Trinity will in Sophie when he googles her. :(
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Holy Trinity on May 31, 2023, 08:32:08 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on May 31, 2023, 08:12:43 PM
Quote from: Holy Trinity on May 31, 2023, 08:07:12 PM
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on May 31, 2023, 08:05:09 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 31, 2023, 07:35:25 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 31, 2023, 07:30:30 PM
Ah, the lovely Sophie….

Her and her two mates.

Forgot all about her…ah the memories…or should that be the mamm…

She was my first proper crush! She was stunning from what I remember. Then isla Fisher came along and my love of crazy red heads was born.

Had never heard of here but having googled her, I'd suggest you don't do the same and just treasure the memories.

Too late but thanks for the attempted save. Saying she's aged like milk is an understatement!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on May 31, 2023, 08:34:17 PM
			

			

				1990s Sophie is safely in 'the bank'. *Taps side of head*.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on May 31, 2023, 09:06:25 PM
			

			

				when does the transfer window actually open 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 31, 2023, 09:10:48 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: john e on May 31, 2023, 09:06:25 PM
when does the transfer window actually open 

Opens on June 14th and closes on September 1st.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on May 31, 2023, 09:11:59 PM
			

			

				Apparently favourites for Tielemans, Barnes and Carvalho as well as Asensio.... 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 31, 2023, 09:14:52 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on May 31, 2023, 09:11:59 PM
Apparently favourites for Tielemans, Barnes and Carvalho as well as Asensio.... 

What about Messi?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on May 31, 2023, 09:28:10 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on May 31, 2023, 09:10:48 PM
Quote from: john e on May 31, 2023, 09:06:25 PM
when does the transfer window actually open 

Opens on June 14th and closes on September 1st.

Thanks
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on May 31, 2023, 09:30:48 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on May 31, 2023, 09:11:59 PM
Apparently favourites for Tielemans, Barnes and Carvalho as well as Asensio....

William Carvalho?

Some decent signings there. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on May 31, 2023, 09:42:16 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on May 31, 2023, 09:11:59 PM
Apparently favourites for Tielemans, Barnes and Carvalho as well as Asensio.... 

So none of them probably. Knowing our luck we will end up with Drinkwater, Jenas and Bowery. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: rob_bridge on May 31, 2023, 09:47:23 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 31, 2023, 09:42:16 PM
Quote from: Drummond on May 31, 2023, 09:11:59 PM
Apparently favourites for Tielemans, Barnes and Carvalho as well as Asensio.... 

So none of them probably. Knowing our luck we will end up with Drinkwater, Jenas and Bowery.

Arsensio may be a better fit for Arsenal. Just a thought.

Remember Bill Clinton playing sax on his show. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on May 31, 2023, 10:05:43 PM
			

			

				Tielemans is a typical MOTD player.  Scores a worldie once a season and then stops giving a shit.  I don't care that he got relegated, as it's not about that, he just simply isn't good enough for where we want to go and won't get in ahead of any of our current midfielders. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 31, 2023, 10:21:34 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on May 31, 2023, 10:05:43 PM
Tielemans is a typical MOTD player.  Scores a worldie once a season and then stops giving a shit.  I don't care that he got relegated, as it's not about that, he just simply isn't good enough for where we want to go and won't get in ahead of any of our current midfielders.

I don't know what I think of him but there were a lot of pundits saying he could play for a CL team last season. I don't like most of them but they shouldn't really all be wrong.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on May 31, 2023, 10:27:50 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on May 31, 2023, 10:05:43 PM
Tielemans is a typical MOTD player.  Scores a worldie once a season and then stops giving a shit.  I don't care that he got relegated, as it's not about that, he just simply isn't good enough for where we want to go and won't get in ahead of any of our current midfielders.

I’d probably say there’s not a clear or massive upgrade on either Doug or Kamara, I think that’s his position. He’s got some talent though, considering he’s, what 25/26, got best part of 10 years experience as a pro and I’m sure he’d improve under Unai. 
Melinkovic-Savic was mentioned earlier, someone like him would offer something different to our current central midfielders, namely height, physicality and goal scoring but is that an area where we’ll be looking to strengthen?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 01, 2023, 01:57:28 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on May 31, 2023, 09:11:59 PM
Apparently favourites for Tielemans, Barnes and Carvalho as well as Asensio....

I saw a comment the other day from a Black Shirt saying Asensio has never been the same since he did his ACL. Anybody know the back story on this?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on June 01, 2023, 04:39:24 AM
			

			

				He did his knee against Arsenal in the 2019 pre season and essentially missed a year. But since he’s come back he’s not missed many games, played in over 130 for club and country. He seems to be fine. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: rob_bridge on June 01, 2023, 06:50:07 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on May 31, 2023, 10:21:34 PM
Quote from: Steve67 on May 31, 2023, 10:05:43 PM
Tielemans is a typical MOTD player.  Scores a worldie once a season and then stops giving a shit.  I don't care that he got relegated, as it's not about that, he just simply isn't good enough for where we want to go and won't get in ahead of any of our current midfielders.

I don't know what I think of him but there were a lot of pundits saying he could play for a CL team last season. I don't like most of them but they shouldn't really all be wrong.

He has ability but not the right attitude if the last 18 months are anything to go by. Leicester shouldn't have been relegated with that much potential fire power and back up. He didn't do anywhere near enough to prevent it
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on June 01, 2023, 06:55:09 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: rob_bridge on June 01, 2023, 06:50:07 AM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on May 31, 2023, 10:21:34 PM
Quote from: Steve67 on May 31, 2023, 10:05:43 PM
Tielemans is a typical MOTD player.  Scores a worldie once a season and then stops giving a shit.  I don't care that he got relegated, as it's not about that, he just simply isn't good enough for where we want to go and won't get in ahead of any of our current midfielders.

I don't know what I think of him but there were a lot of pundits saying he could play for a CL team last season. I don't like most of them but they shouldn't really all be wrong.

He has ability but not the right attitude if the last 18 months are anything to go by. Leicester shouldn't have been relegated with that much potential fire power and back up. He didn't do anywhere near enough to prevent it
In the games I saw, his facial expression’s, body language and performances were not telling you this guy really gives a fuck.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Towser on June 01, 2023, 07:10:32 AM
			

			

				Leicester fan at work told me yesterday Tielmans hasnt given a toss last 12 months and along with losing Schmeichel was the main reasons they went down in his opinion
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on June 01, 2023, 07:14:18 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Towser on June 01, 2023, 07:10:32 AM
Leicester fan at work told me yesterday Tielmans hasnt given a toss last 12 months and along with losing Schmeichel was the main reasons they went down in his opinion
There was lots of speculation he was leaving but the move never happened, maybe his reputation went before him.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LukeJames on June 01, 2023, 07:23:34 AM
			

			

				Tielemans under Emery would be a damn fine addition.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on June 01, 2023, 07:32:45 AM
			

			

				The problems at Leicester last summer  started with Rodgers who seemed to be setting himself up to be sacked with a big pay off.

On top of that, like Leeds, it doesn't matter how good you are going forward if you concede nearly 2 goals per game.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on June 01, 2023, 08:24:26 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on June 01, 2023, 07:32:45 AM
The problems at Leicester last summer  started with Rodgers who seemed to be setting himself up to be sacked with a big pay off.

On top of that, like Leeds, it doesn't matter how good you are going forward if you concede nearly 2 goals per game.

They had the worst keeper in the league, he was Olsen standard. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on June 01, 2023, 08:30:29 AM
			

			

				A couple of seasons ago, I would have loved Tielemans. But we would never have got him.

Now we definitely could get him, but he definitely seems to be on the wane. I think it would be a punt on a player who hasn't been doing it, and I think this window we mean business and look like spending on players who not only can do it, but are doing it, and wanna come do it with us.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on June 01, 2023, 08:51:13 AM
			

			

				PSG pushing apparently, which is why no agreement for Asensio.

https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1664122638417969152?s=20 (https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1664122638417969152?s=20)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on June 01, 2023, 08:59:32 AM
			

			

				Hmmm. I hope this summer doesn't just become a round of people using us to either get a better contract where they are, or as a stalking horse to flush out 'bigger' clubs.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on June 01, 2023, 09:16:19 AM
			

			

				I just don’t see Asensio as one we will get, feels so much that we are being used as a stalking horse, something the club won’t mind if it keeps under wraps players we are chasing… still think we will be looking at players from Villareal and that level of club in La Liga rather than Madrid.

We’ll probably announce Asensio this afternoon now lol
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: danno on June 01, 2023, 09:25:28 AM
			

			

				PSG probably do need a replacement for Di Maria. I thought they were trying to reduce their wage bill, but I suppose not paying Messi frees up space for three players!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smithy on June 01, 2023, 10:15:05 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on June 01, 2023, 08:59:32 AM
Hmmm. I hope this summer doesn't just become a round of people using us to either get a better contract where they are, or as a stalking horse to flush out 'bigger' clubs.

I think this is one of the downsides of success on the pitch. The pool of players who can genuinely and demonstrably improve you gets much smaller, and the competition for them goes up by an order of magnitude.  We've gone from being one of the most attractive options for players hoping to prove themselves in the premier league, to just one of many options for players who can comfortably play on the European stage.

I will be very surprised if we sign anyone who is pretty well established and high-profile without some competition and/or lots of speculation.  We could still get a few Kamara type deals under the radar, but the bigger ones? No chance.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on June 01, 2023, 10:22:55 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Gareth on June 01, 2023, 09:16:19 AM
I just don’t see Asensio as one we will get, feels so much that we are being used as a stalking horse, something the club won’t mind if it keeps under wraps players we are chasing… still think we will be looking at players from Villareal and that level of club in La Liga rather than Madrid.

We’ll probably announce Asensio this afternoon now lol
No, we seem to have generally been pretty good at keeping what we're doing under wraps. This one's been going on a bit too long for my liking now. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on June 01, 2023, 10:46:23 AM
			

			

				I think the way we do business is excellent, even a bit frustrating because we don’t let journalists know what we are doing. Unless it’s Percy. Therefore I tend to go with the rule, if it’s in the press, it’s not really happening. I guess if you throw enough shit at the wall some of it will stick and whilst Unai Emery is likely to be really ambitious with his signings, I can’t see us being in for Asensio.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Stu on June 01, 2023, 11:03:58 AM
			

			

				Some Spanish journo tweeted out that Asensio now off to PSG. Well I never
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on June 01, 2023, 11:07:18 AM
			

			

				You've got to be in it, to win it. And we're in it.

We will win some and lose some. But I have faith in our set up that we are at least trying. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on June 01, 2023, 11:08:45 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on June 01, 2023, 10:46:23 AM
I think the way we do business is excellent, even a bit frustrating because we don’t let journalists know what we are doing. Unless it’s Percy. Therefore I tend to go with the rule, if it’s in the press, it’s not really happening. I guess if you throw enough shit at the wall some of it will stick and whilst Unai Emery is likely to be really ambitious with his signings, I can’t see us being in for Asensio.  

Both Moreno and Duran were mentioned before they actually signed. The only one I think that took everybody by surprise was Ings, but that was a panic buy to try to defuse the sale of Grealish.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Stu on June 01, 2023, 11:08:46 AM
			

			

				Was never gonna happen. Not with PSG in the frame, Messi and Neymar leaving, he probably reckons he can be the main man.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on June 01, 2023, 11:09:11 AM
			

			

				Speaking of FFP and all that - how in the hell do they expect us not to notice how ludicrous it is that PSG keeping getting away with it? Do they expect us not to notice the naked corruption here?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on June 01, 2023, 11:09:31 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on June 01, 2023, 11:07:18 AM
You've got to be in it, to win it. And we're in it.

We will win some and lose some. But I have faith in our set up that we are at least trying. 

Indeed. As long as our first signing isn't somebody truly underwhelming like Ruben Loftus Cheek or similar!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: DB on June 01, 2023, 11:11:10 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on June 01, 2023, 11:07:18 AM
You've got to be in it, to win it. And we're in it.

We will win some and lose some. But I have faith in our set up that we are at least trying. 
Spot on. The level of player we a going for is a big step up.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 01, 2023, 11:17:34 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on June 01, 2023, 11:07:18 AM
You've got to be in it, to win it. And we're in it.

We will win some and lose some. But I have faith in our set up that we are at least trying. 

Exactly, Liverpool wanted Bellingham and Mount and probably won't get either of them.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on June 01, 2023, 11:20:41 AM
			

			

				Fuck him anyway, poor man's Coutinho
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on June 01, 2023, 11:24:45 AM
			

			

				Isn’t this completely normal? That the best players available will attract interest from multiple teams. And to be honest, I’m surprised for a player like Asensio it’s only us and PSG. Especially on a free. We are going to be challenged for the better and best players by clubs in the CL. And while the PL is hugely attractive and with more money than other domestic leagues, players and agents as is their right will entertain a variety of offers. PSG in my opinion is a very short term hit and high because it’s an empty vessel of a club. Hopefully he sees that and chooses us a better long term “project” as they like to say. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on June 01, 2023, 11:28:05 AM
			

			

				Looking at the accounts saying he's gone they all look like bullshitters going off Romano's tweet about PSG pushing hard.


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on June 01, 2023, 11:32:01 AM
			

			

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				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on June 01, 2023, 11:54:17 AM
			

			

				He’ll probably go to PSG, and then like most players find it’s a vanity project that is a bit of a player graveyard.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on June 01, 2023, 11:56:22 AM
			

			

				Doubt it will be the last time we're used as a stalking horse this summer.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on June 01, 2023, 12:00:18 PM
			

			

				I don’t get this whole being used thing. We went for a player and the player and his agent considered our offer to others available. And we will win some of those and lose some. That’s the whole point of considering options. Alemany considered his options and chose Barcelona in the end. Asensio may choose PSG. We will also be the beneficiaries of deals when players choose us over other clubs. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bad English on June 01, 2023, 12:05:12 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 01, 2023, 11:54:17 AM
He’ll probably go to PSG, and then like most players find it’s a vanity project that is a bit of a player graveyard.
I am currently having a quick half of shandy in the bar opposite work. The barman has just said no fucking way is Asensio going to Villa because 'we' are buying him for PSG.*

*He is of Neapolitan origin but I shit you not he is wearing a full PSG trackie behind the bar. Doesn't model it as well as Mbappe either 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 01, 2023, 12:20:28 PM
			

			

				Read that as having a 'quick hand shandy in the bar opposite work'.

How very French, I thought.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SamTheMouse on June 01, 2023, 12:22:41 PM
			

			

				Mbappe is rumoured to be leaving Qatar Saint Germain this summer, so if Asensio was hoping to play alongside the best striker in the world, he's better off staying with the Francoists.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bad English on June 01, 2023, 12:30:20 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on June 01, 2023, 12:20:28 PM
Read that as having a 'quick hand shandy in the bar opposite work'.

How very French, I thought.
I once caught a Y8 student having a hand shandy at his desk in class (back in 1996). He was let off but ended up being excluded for stabbing another student through the hand with a compass, thus reenacting the Tattaglia - Lucas Brasi scene in the Godfather.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: frank black on June 01, 2023, 12:32:40 PM
			

			

				Asensio will join PSG, they are champions league and will win domestic honours. They may be selling Neymar and Messi. We are in the conference league and trying to improve. We need to try for these types, but accept that we aren’t going to be a players first choice in this scenario. our offer was just used as leverage with PSG (an agent doing his job)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 01, 2023, 12:41:14 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bad English on June 01, 2023, 12:30:20 PM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on June 01, 2023, 12:20:28 PM
Read that as having a 'quick hand shandy in the bar opposite work'.

How very French, I thought.
I once caught a Y8 student having a hand shandy at his desk in class (back in 1996). He was let off but ended up being excluded for stabbing another student through the hand with a compass, thus reenacting the Tattaglia - Lucas Brasi scene in the Godfather.

Sounds like sn impulsive fellow. Still, at least he didn't garrott the other student.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on June 01, 2023, 12:47:55 PM
			

			

				It's an interesting battle. On the one hand they can offer Champions League and be very competitive but we've got the pull of Premier League football. Then while it's their technical director driving it for them, Emery's been very hands-on and sounds like he wants to play him up front (which he's supposed to be after). 

Then you've got the strength of the 'project' we're selling him (I imagine Emery's telling him that we want to be in the Champions League in the next couple of seasons). 

He's already experienced being a small fish in a big pond and not being as involved as he would like. He would be a huge star and signing for us. 

Then the PSG fans can be total bastards. They've already turned on Messi and not every big player has a good experience there. 

He may well choose them over us but just the fact that it's even a discussion shows how quickly we're making progress. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smithy on June 01, 2023, 01:09:35 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: frank black on June 01, 2023, 12:32:40 PM
Asensio will join PSG, they are champions league and will win domestic honours. They may be selling Neymar and Messi. We are in the conference league and trying to improve. We need to try for these types, but accept that we aren’t going to be a players first choice in this scenario. our offer was just used as leverage with PSG (an agent doing his job)

While I think this is generally true, there are some circumstances where it might also play in our favour.  Asensio will almost certainly choose PSG over us, all other things being equal, but he's already coming from a team that won plenty of trophies, including the Champions League - he's won trophies. But he wasn't the main man, and was never going to be. He's probably not in their best 11, either.  Does he want to potentially find himself in that position again at PSG?  He might well do, a change is as good as a rest after all, but it might be that the 'project' here holds a certain attraction all of its own for someone looking for professional satisfaction.

We'll probably miss out on him, but I still hold hope that Emery can work his magic.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on June 01, 2023, 01:12:18 PM
			

			

				I think the reason we were pressing him is partly because we have other players on our list with a price tag attached. If we could have got him on a free, then more budget for the rest of our targets, so you can see why we tried him first.

If it doesn't happen, they'll just move onto the next one on the list. It doesn't mean that next name is a poor substitute, just one we will have to pay for.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on June 01, 2023, 01:16:48 PM
			

			

				If Asensio is going to PSG he won’t be playing with Messi it’s just been confirmed. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on June 01, 2023, 01:23:22 PM
			

			

				Talk is Messi wants to go back on Barcelona and forego being paid but there's legal issues complicating it. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on June 01, 2023, 01:25:50 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on June 01, 2023, 01:12:18 PM
I think the reason we were pressing him is partly because we have other players on our list with a price tag attached. If we could have got him on a free, then more budget for the rest of our targets, so you can see why we tried him first.

If it doesn't happen, they'll just move onto the next one on the list. It doesn't mean that next name is a poor substitute, just one we will have to pay for.

If budget was a problem for the players Emery wants to bring in, you would have thought he would have given Young another year and delayed signing a right back for another year. 

Question is, does that mean he's confident of bringing in 1 or 2 on a free, giving him more of his budget to focus on certain positions. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Yeltzer on June 01, 2023, 01:31:19 PM
			

			

				It feels like we’re the back up ugly bird in case the fit cool
Girl says no. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 01, 2023, 01:39:57 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Yeltzer on June 01, 2023, 01:31:19 PM
It feels like we’re the back up ugly bird in case the fit cool
Girl says no. 

They generally say yes anyway, as will we.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on June 01, 2023, 02:32:16 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on June 01, 2023, 01:25:50 PM
Quote from: Dogtanian on June 01, 2023, 01:12:18 PM
I think the reason we were pressing him is partly because we have other players on our list with a price tag attached. If we could have got him on a free, then more budget for the rest of our targets, so you can see why we tried him first.

If it doesn't happen, they'll just move onto the next one on the list. It doesn't mean that next name is a poor substitute, just one we will have to pay for.

If budget was a problem for the players Emery wants to bring in, you would have thought he would have given Young another year and delayed signing a right back for another year. 

Question is, does that mean he's confident of bringing in 1 or 2 on a free, giving him more of his budget to focus on certain positions.

I didn't mean to say that budget is a problem. More that if you can get him on a free and therefore use that money to bolster bids for other areas, you would. I'm sure they have budgeted for paying for a player in his position, which they will have to if he says no.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on June 01, 2023, 02:53:34 PM
			

			

				PSG is all very short term. They will lose Messi at the end of this season, Mbappe next season unless the French PM steps in again. Ramos will retire soon. The PL is a much better league. If he wanted CL he could have stayed in Madrid. We will likely offer as much money if not more than PSG even though they are loaded. We've proven we can compete financially. So it's now about where he wants to play football, live etc. I can see it's not an easy decision so he's right to want to consider his options. Free agency affords you that luxury.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Hookeysmith on June 01, 2023, 03:15:26 PM
			

			

				ITSOTP is the only time i get excited ...all the twitter shite is just that, shite
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on June 01, 2023, 03:17:51 PM
			

			

				Beh, The Athletic saying he's going to PSG. What can you do. At least no other PL club got him.

Would've been great but no despair, it's pretty cool that we're shopping in these kinds of places now, I'm sure we'll get someone exciting.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: cdward on June 01, 2023, 03:39:08 PM
			

			

				From the outside looking in, it appears the players we  signed recently from overseas have settled in very well. Moreno, Carlos, Kamara etc'.
So hopefully any potential new signings will see another good reason to join.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Stu on June 01, 2023, 03:51:39 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Monty on June 01, 2023, 03:17:51 PM
Would've been great but no despair, it's pretty cool that we're shopping in these kinds of places now, I'm sure we'll get someone exciting.

Shopping in the same way that I like to browse Patek Phillipe watches online.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Chris_Jephcott on June 01, 2023, 03:56:35 PM
			

			

				Oh well. FTF! 


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on June 01, 2023, 04:05:02 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Stu on June 01, 2023, 03:51:39 PM
Quote from: Monty on June 01, 2023, 03:17:51 PM
Would've been great but no despair, it's pretty cool that we're shopping in these kinds of places now, I'm sure we'll get someone exciting.

Shopping in the same way that I like to browse Patek Phillipe watches online.

Here, have a Swatch instead!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Stu on June 01, 2023, 04:13:49 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on June 01, 2023, 04:05:02 PM
Quote from: Stu on June 01, 2023, 03:51:39 PM
Quote from: Monty on June 01, 2023, 03:17:51 PM
Would've been great but no despair, it's pretty cool that we're shopping in these kinds of places now, I'm sure we'll get someone exciting.

Shopping in the same way that I like to browse Patek Phillipe watches online.

Here, have a Swatch instead!

Or in football parlance, a Youri Tielemens
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on June 01, 2023, 04:51:05 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 01, 2023, 12:00:18 PM
I don’t get this whole being used thing. We went for a player and the player and his agent considered our offer to others available. And we will win some of those and lose some. That’s the whole point of considering options. Alemany considered his options and chose Barcelona in the end. Asensio may choose PSG. We will also be the beneficiaries of deals when players choose us over other clubs. 
If you don't think that agents play clubs off against each other to get the best deal they can then I think that's pretty naive.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on June 01, 2023, 04:55:30 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on June 01, 2023, 04:51:05 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 01, 2023, 12:00:18 PM
I don’t get this whole being used thing. We went for a player and the player and his agent considered our offer to others available. And we will win some of those and lose some. That’s the whole point of considering options. Alemany considered his options and chose Barcelona in the end. Asensio may choose PSG. We will also be the beneficiaries of deals when players choose us over other clubs. 
If you don't think that agents play clubs off against each other to get the best deal they can then I think that's pretty naive.

Of course, but the clubs have to both be viable options.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on June 01, 2023, 04:57:47 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on June 01, 2023, 04:51:05 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 01, 2023, 12:00:18 PM
I don’t get this whole being used thing. We went for a player and the player and his agent considered our offer to others available. And we will win some of those and lose some. That’s the whole point of considering options. Alemany considered his options and chose Barcelona in the end. Asensio may choose PSG. We will also be the beneficiaries of deals when players choose us over other clubs. 
If you don't think that agents play clubs off against each other to get the best deal they can then I think that's pretty naive.

Agents want to get the best deal for their clients. That’s not the same as being used. Do you not think clubs are fully aware as to how that works. Our job is put the best deal possible in front of a player and his agent. The agent then speaks to other interested parties. They wouldn’t be doing their job if they then didn’t try to secure the best “package” for their clients. And by “package” it is about the scope of the opportunity and compensation. The agent, in this case Mendes is close to both to Nas and the team at PSG. Clubs aren’t naive as to how this all works. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Stu on June 01, 2023, 05:29:09 PM
			

			

				These kind of signings are out of our reach until/if we get CL football. Currently the club has to scout well and sign players whom Unai can improve and mould into a team to get there. 

Asensio is 27 years old, in the prime of his career, has already played in the CL and wants to move forward. Signing for us would be a step back for him and no matter how much money we could offer him, PSG can afford to pay him more by several magnitudes and also offer him a realistic tilt at a CL medal. 

Our market is more along the lines of the Kamara signing, which was still a coup for us. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Hairbandinho on June 01, 2023, 05:36:57 PM
			

			

				The problem with getting to the CL is signings such as that would help get us there, but you can't make the signings because the existing teams in it are more attractive options. It's a circular argument.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Stu on June 01, 2023, 05:44:21 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Hairbandinho on June 01, 2023, 05:36:57 PM
The problem with getting to the CL is signings such as that would help get us there, but you can't make the signings because the existing teams in it are more attractive options. It's a circular argument.

The team's performance since Unai took over suggests that we may well have been able to get CL if he had been here since last August. Having talented players is obviously really important but the main thing is to have a really talented manager imo, something which we have not had for a very, very long time. We're still at the point of signing very good prospects and polishing them up, we are not yet at the point where we sign players who are already the finished article, so to speak.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Pete3206 on June 01, 2023, 05:46:38 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Hairbandinho on June 01, 2023, 05:36:57 PM
The problem with getting to the CL is signings such as that would help get us there, but you can't make the signings because the existing teams in it are more attractive options. It's a circular argument.

Newcastle managed it. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on June 01, 2023, 06:06:54 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Stu on June 01, 2023, 05:44:21 PM
Quote from: Hairbandinho on June 01, 2023, 05:36:57 PM
The problem with getting to the CL is signings such as that would help get us there, but you can't make the signings because the existing teams in it are more attractive options. It's a circular argument.

The team's performance since Unai took over suggests that we may well have been able to get CL if he had been here since last August. Having talented players is obviously really important but the main thing is to have a really talented manager imo, something which we have not had for a very, very long time. We're still at the point of signing very good prospects and polishing them up, we are not yet at the point where we sign players who are already the finished article, so to speak.

Don't agree with that at all sorry. We've signed Carlos and Moreno, for a start.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SamTheMouse on June 01, 2023, 06:07:21 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Pete3206 on June 01, 2023, 05:46:38 PM
Quote from: Hairbandinho on June 01, 2023, 05:36:57 PM
The problem with getting to the CL is signings such as that would help get us there, but you can't make the signings because the existing teams in it are more attractive options. It's a circular argument.

Newcastle managed it.

I suspect that, had we appointed Emery last summer, we might also have managed it.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Stu on June 01, 2023, 06:22:53 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on June 01, 2023, 06:06:54 PM
Quote from: Stu on June 01, 2023, 05:44:21 PM
Quote from: Hairbandinho on June 01, 2023, 05:36:57 PM
The problem with getting to the CL is signings such as that would help get us there, but you can't make the signings because the existing teams in it are more attractive options. It's a circular argument.

The team's performance since Unai took over suggests that we may well have been able to get CL if he had been here since last August. Having talented players is obviously really important but the main thing is to have a really talented manager imo, something which we have not had for a very, very long time. We're still at the point of signing very good prospects and polishing them up, we are not yet at the point where we sign players who are already the finished article, so to speak.

Don't agree with that at all sorry. We've signed Carlos and Moreno, for a start.

That's fair in terms of the finished article. Although I think there's a difference in calibre of player here which was in my head and didn't communicate!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bad English on June 01, 2023, 06:23:53 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 01, 2023, 02:53:34 PM
PSG They will lose... Mbappe next season unless the French PM steps in again.
The French President stepped in.  All the PM (Elisabeth Borne) has done is publicly chide Mbappe for pissing himself laughing at a press conference when PSG were rebuked for taking a plane from Paris to Nantes for a game and their manager Galtieri said "We'll go by sand yacht next time."
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on June 01, 2023, 06:59:31 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bad English on June 01, 2023, 06:23:53 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 01, 2023, 02:53:34 PM
PSG They will lose... Mbappe next season unless the French PM steps in again.
The French President stepped in.  All the PM (Elisabeth Borne) has done is publicly chide Mbappe for pissing himself laughing at a press conference when PSG were rebuked for taking a plane from Paris to Nantes for a game and their manager Galtieri said "We'll go by sand yacht next time."

I meant Macron. It was all rather ludicrous 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 01, 2023, 07:04:20 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: SamTheMouse on June 01, 2023, 06:07:21 PM
Quote from: Pete3206 on June 01, 2023, 05:46:38 PM
Quote from: Hairbandinho on June 01, 2023, 05:36:57 PM
The problem with getting to the CL is signings such as that would help get us there, but you can't make the signings because the existing teams in it are more attractive options. It's a circular argument.

Newcastle managed it.

I suspect that, had we appointed Emery last summer, we might also have managed it.

Newcastle haven't really made any CL level signings, or anyone that we couldn't have signed.

They've got where they are more through excellent coaching.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 01, 2023, 07:22:35 PM
			

			

				Very true.
Asensio was always unlikely at this stage. We need some quality ‘under the radar’ signings to complement what we already have, and he didn’t do too badly with what we already have anyway.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on June 01, 2023, 07:27:48 PM
			

			

				Didn't want him anyway, he's shit. 

[ok, he's not but if he's not chosen us, then fuck him and onto the next one]. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on June 01, 2023, 07:52:57 PM
			

			

				We have to do it in stages.  Hoping for an Asensio, which was always unlikely to be fair, but being really competitive for players just below that level.  If we can pick up the 'best of the rest' type players and Unai coaches the bejesus out of them, we manage top 4 and even then some players will view us, like they will Newcastle, as a flash in the pan.  We still have to be patient.  We finished 7th, we have a world class coach and can be financially competitive but we are not a force yet, but will be. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeonW on June 01, 2023, 08:19:09 PM
			

			

				Assensio is going to be very well paid whether he’s at Villa or PSG. I’d question his motivations if he choose PSG. He’d be playing in a lesser league and probably not be playing in the side in any consistent way. Plus he’d have to be at the whims of Mbappe and Neymar. I’d consider it a lucky escape for us. We need to ensure that we’re getting the right type of character as well as technical quality.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on June 01, 2023, 08:26:55 PM
			

			

				I’m not saying that we are a massively attractive option to someone like Asensio at the moment but I still can’t see why anyone in their prime would go to PSG
It’s just a load of rubbish 

I know all the arguments about CL football but they also play in a league less competitive than the Scottish league and no ones interested in them really 

Maybe it’s just me but if it’s not down to money I don’t get the pull 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on June 01, 2023, 08:28:00 PM
			

			

				To be honest unless you have a moral issue with Qatar most players would pick PSG over Villa right now. It’s not really an afront to us, it’s just a reflection of the relative position of the clubs.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Hairbandinho on June 01, 2023, 08:31:06 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Pete3206 on June 01, 2023, 05:46:38 PM
Quote from: Hairbandinho on June 01, 2023, 05:36:57 PM
The problem with getting to the CL is signings such as that would help get us there, but you can't make the signings because the existing teams in it are more attractive options. It's a circular argument.

Newcastle managed it.

Once in a blue moon that happens it's not the norm 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on June 01, 2023, 08:31:29 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 01, 2023, 08:28:00 PM
To be honest unless you have a moral issue with Qatar most players would pick PSG over Villa right now. It’s not really an afront to us, it’s just a reflection of the relative position of the clubs.

Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 01, 2023, 08:28:00 PM
To be honest unless you have a moral issue with Qatar most players would pick PSG over Villa right now. It’s not really an afront to us, it’s just a reflection of the relative position of the clubs.

Yeah I get that that’s why I said we weren’t an attractive option for him at the moment I was talking more generally about PSG 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeonW on June 01, 2023, 08:31:32 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 01, 2023, 08:28:00 PM
To be honest unless you have a moral issue with Qatar most players would pick PSG over Villa right now. It’s not really an afront to us, it’s just a reflection of the relative position of the clubs.

You say that but PSG can be a black hole for talented players. Someone like Julian Draxler springs immediately to mind. Even Neymar I suspect regrets his decision to move from Barcelona. Will playing at PSG enhance his career? Not sure it will. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on June 01, 2023, 08:34:53 PM
			

			

				Yeah it absolutely can be, but a player who rates their own ability will probably back themselves to buck that trend. I’m not saying it’s the right decision, but for a player who has no connection to either club I can see why they might think PSG is the club to choose. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeonW on June 01, 2023, 08:44:46 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 01, 2023, 08:34:53 PM
Yeah it absolutely can be, but a player who rates their own ability will probably back themselves to buck that trend. I’m not saying it’s the right decision, but for a player who has no connection to either club I can see why they might think PSG is the club to choose.

It’s also probably a case of backing their own ability but to do what? PSG will most likely win the league with or without Asensio. Possibly the French cup as well. He’ll play in the champions league yes, but PSG have been a basket case for a decade or so, so I can’t see them winning it any time soon. They couldn’t win it with Messi, Neymar and Mbappe in the same team. Does playing in the French league enhance his status as a Spanish regular in the national team? Again, not so sure. 

I can see what you’re saying about the choice between the Villa and PSG. But at the same time, a player who backs themselves will think they can help Villa push into the champions league or win something that acquires greater significance than phoning in for a trophy. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 01, 2023, 08:49:51 PM
			

			

				Seen us linked to Barnes, would be happy with that. Also wouldn’t be turning my nose up at Tielemans on a free. Think Emery would improve him, and he is a good player already.




			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 01, 2023, 08:52:21 PM
			

			

				He's got a much better chance of winning the CL by playing for a club that...competes in the CL.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 01, 2023, 08:53:19 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeonW on June 01, 2023, 08:44:46 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 01, 2023, 08:34:53 PM
Yeah it absolutely can be, but a player who rates their own ability will probably back themselves to buck that trend. I’m not saying it’s the right decision, but for a player who has no connection to either club I can see why they might think PSG is the club to choose.

It’s also probably a case of backing their own ability but to do what? PSG will most likely win the league with or without Asensio. Possibly the French cup as well. He’ll play in the champions league yes, but PSG have been a basket case for a decade or so, so I can’t see them winning it any time soon. They couldn’t win it with Messi, Neymar and Mbappe in the same team. Does playing in the French league enhance his status as a Spanish regular in the national team? Again, not so sure. 

I can see what you’re saying about the choice between the Villa and PSG. But at the same time, a player who backs themselves will think they can help Villa push into the champions league or win something that acquires greater significance than phoning in for a trophy.

I just think that is thinking too much like a fan. Yeah, we don't value PSG's title wins but they'll still be on his record and he'll still have solid chances to get to the semi-final of the CL regularly. I love disparaging state owned clubs but I know which one is more likely to go far in the CL. It's a bit like a footballing holiday, you can chill most of the time and just try for the European games. I can imagine that suits quite a few players, none more so than party boy Neymar.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeonW on June 01, 2023, 08:59:36 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on June 01, 2023, 08:53:19 PM
Quote from: LeonW on June 01, 2023, 08:44:46 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 01, 2023, 08:34:53 PM
Yeah it absolutely can be, but a player who rates their own ability will probably back themselves to buck that trend. I’m not saying it’s the right decision, but for a player who has no connection to either club I can see why they might think PSG is the club to choose.



Both could have won more 

It’s also probably a case of backing their own ability but to do what? PSG will most likely win the league with or without Asensio. Possibly the French cup as well. He’ll play in the champions league yes, but PSG have been a basket case for a decade or so, so I can’t see them winning it any time soon. They couldn’t win it with Messi, Neymar and Mbappe in the same team. Does playing in the French league enhance his status as a Spanish regular in the national team? Again, not so sure. 

I can see what you’re saying about the choice between the Villa and PSG. But at the same time, a player who backs themselves will think they can help Villa push into the champions league or win something that acquires greater significance than phoning in for a trophy.

I just think that is thinking too much like a fan. Yeah, we don't value PSG's title wins but they'll still be on his record and he'll still have solid chances to get to the semi-final of the CL regularly. I love disparaging state owned clubs but I know which one is more likely to get far in the CL. It's a bit like a footballing holiday, you can chill most of the time and just try for the European games. I can imagine that suits quite a few players, none more so than party boy Neymar.

I’m very much in the quality VS quantity camp for trophies. That’s my wheelhouse. Like Roberto Mancini refusing to go to AC Milan and winning league titles with Sampdoria and Lazio. Or Totti winning the league and two coppa italia’s with Roma. Christ, even Jamie Vardy refusing to go to Arsenal and winning the league and FA Cup with Leicester. Worth more, mean more on the quality stakes. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 01, 2023, 09:02:43 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeonW on June 01, 2023, 08:59:36 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on June 01, 2023, 08:53:19 PM
Quote from: LeonW on June 01, 2023, 08:44:46 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 01, 2023, 08:34:53 PM
Yeah it absolutely can be, but a player who rates their own ability will probably back themselves to buck that trend. I’m not saying it’s the right decision, but for a player who has no connection to either club I can see why they might think PSG is the club to choose.



Both could have won more 

It’s also probably a case of backing their own ability but to do what? PSG will most likely win the league with or without Asensio. Possibly the French cup as well. He’ll play in the champions league yes, but PSG have been a basket case for a decade or so, so I can’t see them winning it any time soon. They couldn’t win it with Messi, Neymar and Mbappe in the same team. Does playing in the French league enhance his status as a Spanish regular in the national team? Again, not so sure. 

I can see what you’re saying about the choice between the Villa and PSG. But at the same time, a player who backs themselves will think they can help Villa push into the champions league or win something that acquires greater significance than phoning in for a trophy.

I just think that is thinking too much like a fan. Yeah, we don't value PSG's title wins but they'll still be on his record and he'll still have solid chances to get to the semi-final of the CL regularly. I love disparaging state owned clubs but I know which one is more likely to get far in the CL. It's a bit like a footballing holiday, you can chill most of the time and just try for the European games. I can imagine that suits quite a few players, none more so than party boy Neymar.

I’m very much in the quality VS quantity camp for trophies. That’s my wheelhouse. Like Roberto Mancini refusing to go to AC Milan and winning league titles with Sampdoria and Lazio. Or Totti winning the league and two coppa italia’s with Roma. Christ, even Jamie Vardy refusing to go to Arsenal and winning the league and FA Cup with Leicester. Worth more, mean more on the quality stakes.

Oh, I absolutely agree, 100%. I just don't think a lot players would think the same.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on June 01, 2023, 09:08:02 PM
			

			

				I completely agree from my own perspective, but everyone places values on different things and I suspect if it’s a choice between PSG and Villa at the moment the vast majority would choose the former.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on June 01, 2023, 09:10:31 PM
			

			

				It’s the PSG thing I struggle with,playing in a league which isn’t exactly competitive, I don’t see the draw in that 

I would have exactly the same opinion if it was the other way round
Say Emi Martínez  is wanted by Man United Man City Barcelona, Real Madrid I would be able to see the attraction and why he would want to go
If he went to PSG I’d struggle to understand the reasoning, 

Mbappé is totally wasted, messi didn’t do himself any favours and Naymar is just a massive twat anyway
So sorry, but I don’t see them as a good option for any top footballer just a complete non-entity
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeonW on June 01, 2023, 09:10:40 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on June 01, 2023, 09:02:43 PM
Quote from: LeonW on June 01, 2023, 08:59:36 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on June 01, 2023, 08:53:19 PM
Quote from: LeonW on June 01, 2023, 08:44:46 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 01, 2023, 08:34:53 PM
Yeah it absolutely can be, but a player who rates their own ability will probably back themselves to buck that trend. I’m not saying it’s the right decision, but for a player who has no connection to either club I can see why they might think PSG is the club to choose.



Both could have won more 

It’s also probably a case of backing their own ability but to do what? PSG will most likely win the league with or without Asensio. Possibly the French cup as well. He’ll play in the champions league yes, but PSG have been a basket case for a decade or so, so I can’t see them winning it any time soon. They couldn’t win it with Messi, Neymar and Mbappe in the same team. Does playing in the French league enhance his status as a Spanish regular in the national team? Again, not so sure. 

I can see what you’re saying about the choice between the Villa and PSG. But at the same time, a player who backs themselves will think they can help Villa push into the champions league or win something that acquires greater significance than phoning in for a trophy.

I just think that is thinking too much like a fan. Yeah, we don't value PSG's title wins but they'll still be on his record and he'll still have solid chances to get to the semi-final of the CL regularly. I love disparaging state owned clubs but I know which one is more likely to get far in the CL. It's a bit like a footballing holiday, you can chill most of the time and just try for the European games. I can imagine that suits quite a few players, none more so than party boy Neymar.

I’m very much in the quality VS quantity camp for trophies. That’s my wheelhouse. Like Roberto Mancini refusing to go to AC Milan and winning league titles with Sampdoria and Lazio. Or Totti winning the league and two coppa italia’s with Roma. Christ, even Jamie Vardy refusing to go to Arsenal and winning the league and FA Cup with Leicester. Worth more, mean more on the quality stakes.

Oh, I absolutely agree, 100%. I just don't think a lot players would think the same.

Think that’s why I admire players like that. Those that can make a difference and do so. Even Bergkamp refused Ac Milan for Inter because it would have been an easy move to go and play with Van Basten, Guillt, etc. Wanted to do something at a club that was under achieving. Ditto Batistuta. Maybe it’s a generational thing or maybe I just still like to see something idealistic. Even E.Martinez with his list of targets in his locker a few years ago of winning the Copa America, winning the World Cup and winning something with Villa. He’s done two of those things. One to go.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SamTheMouse on June 01, 2023, 09:50:59 PM
			

			

				Ironically, Qatar Saint Germain's chances of winning the Champions League would improve no end if they actually had some proper domestic competition. 

Let's hope they go out of business before that happens. The horrible, plastic, younger-than-half-the-posters-on-here club of arriviste wankeurs.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on June 01, 2023, 11:14:01 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeonW on June 01, 2023, 08:59:36 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on June 01, 2023, 08:53:19 PM
Quote from: LeonW on June 01, 2023, 08:44:46 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 01, 2023, 08:34:53 PM
Yeah it absolutely can be, but a player who rates their own ability will probably back themselves to buck that trend. I’m not saying it’s the right decision, but for a player who has no connection to either club I can see why they might think PSG is the club to choose.



Both could have won more 

It’s also probably a case of backing their own ability but to do what? PSG will most likely win the league with or without Asensio. Possibly the French cup as well. He’ll play in the champions league yes, but PSG have been a basket case for a decade or so, so I can’t see them winning it any time soon. They couldn’t win it with Messi, Neymar and Mbappe in the same team. Does playing in the French league enhance his status as a Spanish regular in the national team? Again, not so sure. 

I can see what you’re saying about the choice between the Villa and PSG. But at the same time, a player who backs themselves will think they can help Villa push into the champions league or win something that acquires greater significance than phoning in for a trophy.

I just think that is thinking too much like a fan. Yeah, we don't value PSG's title wins but they'll still be on his record and he'll still have solid chances to get to the semi-final of the CL regularly. I love disparaging state owned clubs but I know which one is more likely to get far in the CL. It's a bit like a footballing holiday, you can chill most of the time and just try for the European games. I can imagine that suits quite a few players, none more so than party boy Neymar.

I’m very much in the quality VS quantity camp for trophies. That’s my wheelhouse. Like Roberto Mancini refusing to go to AC Milan and winning league titles with Sampdoria and Lazio. Or Totti winning the league and two coppa italia’s with Roma. Christ, even Jamie Vardy refusing to go to Arsenal and winning the league and FA Cup with Leicester. Worth more, mean more on the quality stakes.

But it's very easy to be one hundred percent sure how the conflicting motivations for wealth, success and legacy would pan out when it's just a thought experiment and not a life decision. 

Like the Villa fans who know for a fact that they'd turn down trophies and umpteen millions with Man City from the comfort of their armchair because of how much they love the Villa, and never actually having to follow that conviction through.

Footballers have (on the whole) sacrificed their childhood and youth in the hope that they make enough money to not have to worry about their forties and beyond, and if they're lucky enough or good enough have some medals and memories to go with it. 

If Asensio goes to PSG, when he's celebrating his latest title win he's not going to be thinking how meaningless and hollow it is compared to how he could have been the difference between 7th and 5th in the Premier League for Villa.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on June 02, 2023, 12:14:53 AM
			

			

				Yeah, but he's still a twat
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeonW on June 02, 2023, 12:21:41 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on June 01, 2023, 11:14:01 PM
Quote from: LeonW on June 01, 2023, 08:59:36 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on June 01, 2023, 08:53:19 PM
Quote from: LeonW on June 01, 2023, 08:44:46 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 01, 2023, 08:34:53 PM
Yeah it absolutely can be, but a player who rates their own ability will probably back themselves to buck that trend. I’m not saying it’s the right decision, but for a player who has no connection to either club I can see why they might think PSG is the club to choose.



Both could have won more 

It’s also probably a case of backing their own ability but to do what? PSG will most likely win the league with or without Asensio. Possibly the French cup as well. He’ll play in the champions league yes, but PSG have been a basket case for a decade or so, so I can’t see them winning it any time soon. They couldn’t win it with Messi, Neymar and Mbappe in the same team. Does playing in the French league enhance his status as a Spanish regular in the national team? Again, not so sure. 

I can see what you’re saying about the choice between the Villa and PSG. But at the same time, a player who backs themselves will think they can help Villa push into the champions league or win something that acquires greater significance than phoning in for a trophy.

I just think that is thinking too much like a fan. Yeah, we don't value PSG's title wins but they'll still be on his record and he'll still have solid chances to get to the semi-final of the CL regularly. I love disparaging state owned clubs but I know which one is more likely to get far in the CL. It's a bit like a footballing holiday, you can chill most of the time and just try for the European games. I can imagine that suits quite a few players, none more so than party boy Neymar.

I’m very much in the quality VS quantity camp for trophies. That’s my wheelhouse. Like Roberto Mancini refusing to go to AC Milan and winning league titles with Sampdoria and Lazio. Or Totti winning the league and two coppa italia’s with Roma. Christ, even Jamie Vardy refusing to go to Arsenal and winning the league and FA Cup with Leicester. Worth more, mean more on the quality stakes.

But it's very easy to be one hundred percent sure how the conflicting motivations for wealth, success and legacy would pan out when it's just a thought experiment and not a life decision. 

Not really; as evidenced by those that did it (such as Mancini, Totti, et al) when of course they didn’t know how it would turn out at time they made those decisions. 

Particularly at the level we’re talking about and particularly in today’s game with the amount of money involved. Players like Asensio will be well remunerated so it goes give them more options with regards the decisions they could make. It’s very different to being in league 2 and getting an offer in the championship even if it meant less game time, etc.

Potter going to Chelsea; of course he was going to be gone in less than a year. Will he be wealthier for it? Yes. Was it a good decision for his overall career? No. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on June 02, 2023, 12:41:10 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on June 01, 2023, 07:52:57 PM
We have to do it in stages.  Hoping for an Asensio, which was always unlikely to be fair, but being really competitive for players just below that level.  If we can pick up the 'best of the rest' type players and Unai coaches the bejesus out of them, we manage top 4 and even then some players will view us, like they will Newcastle, as a flash in the pan.  We still have to be patient.  We finished 7th, we have a world class coach and can be financially competitive but we are not a force yet, but will be.

I agree Steve.  We all have claret and blue vision, but the reality is that we're in the Conference League (happy to br there) and we aren't going to be able to compete with the likes of PSG for players at this point.  

Whatever they are, they are a high profile club, based in a desirable global city, able to pay massive amounts in wages and should get to the knockout stages of the Champions League on a regular basis.

We can't compete with that at this point in terms of bringing players in from abroad and probably won't be unless we can get into the Champions League.




			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on June 02, 2023, 06:01:49 AM
			

			

				As players get nearer 30 they are also thinking of life beyond playing, so the decision to maximise revenue is likely to Trump anything else and whatever we think, Qatar will be paying him more than us.


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 02, 2023, 08:26:38 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: tomd2103 on June 02, 2023, 12:41:10 AM
Quote from: Steve67 on June 01, 2023, 07:52:57 PM
We have to do it in stages.  Hoping for an Asensio, which was always unlikely to be fair, but being really competitive for players just below that level.  If we can pick up the 'best of the rest' type players and Unai coaches the bejesus out of them, we manage top 4 and even then some players will view us, like they will Newcastle, as a flash in the pan.  We still have to be patient.  We finished 7th, we have a world class coach and can be financially competitive but we are not a force yet, but will be.

‘based in a desirable global city’ 


This was the other thing I considered, you’re always going to get some that will consider strongly the actual city they’re playing in, and Paris will be a big attraction especially to someone who has been living in Madrid, or some other big European city and has no previous links to the UK.

Also, I agree that PSG are a basket case in terms of the champions league, they’ve looked like a disorganised rabble when they’ve come up against anyone good for years but the fact is, they are in it and do get through to the knockout stage every time.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on June 02, 2023, 08:46:15 AM
			

			

				I think it gets tricky when you start to second guess a player’s motivation, because everyone has different values. But if you have no connection to either club I can see why at this time PSG is a more attractive offer. It might end up being a poor decision, but it’s hardly a surprising one. We need to demonstrate a sustained upward trajectory before we can realistically beat that type of club to a player on a consistent basis - hopefully Unai will deliver that sustained upward trajectory.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 02, 2023, 09:01:08 AM
			

			

				You can make a more educated guess when he’s made the decision though. Beforehand I thought it was probably unlikely but maybe he fancies playing under Emery, maybe he fancies coming to the PL, maybe he wants to pretty much be guaranteed football and to be one of the big stars in the team. Even if any of this did attract him, it seems that the plus points of joining Paris were more to his liking.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on June 02, 2023, 09:04:33 AM
			

			

				Nico Williams?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 02, 2023, 09:16:33 AM
			

			

				I bet Paris is a wonderful place to be a twenty something multi millionaire. 

For every Totti (and not even sure he’s a good example as Roma was his club) there are thousands of Asensio’s in terms of how they decide where to go. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on June 02, 2023, 09:18:12 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 02, 2023, 09:16:33 AM
I bet Paris is a wonderful place to be a twenty something multi millionaire. 

For every Totti (and not even sure he’s a good example as Roma was his club) there are thousands of Asensio’s in terms of how they decide where to go.
I mean, being paid a ludicrous sum of money to live in Paris and not needing to exert yourself as much as you might be expected to elsewhere but still win loads of trophies doesn't sound *that* bad a deal when you think about it.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Hookeysmith on June 02, 2023, 09:21:31 AM
			

			

				I am sure i read back in the day that after the French won the world cup Marcel Desailly was all sealed to join Liverpoo but his wife after living in Marseille, Milan wanted London and not the bin dipping, house breaking capital.

I am sure wives, kids school, friends & family all play a part in where a player ends up - unless they are young and single then anywhere your money would be welcome
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VinnieChase84 on June 02, 2023, 09:35:21 AM
			

			

				Strong rumours Enrique will be new PSG boss, plus with Messi leaving he probably does have a first team slot at RW 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 02, 2023, 09:36:31 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: algy on June 02, 2023, 09:18:12 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 02, 2023, 09:16:33 AM
I bet Paris is a wonderful place to be a twenty something multi millionaire. 

For every Totti (and not even sure he’s a good example as Roma was his club) there are thousands of Asensio’s in terms of how they decide where to go.
I mean, being paid a ludicrous sum of money to live in Paris and not needing to exert yourself as much as you might be expected to elsewhere but still win loads of trophies doesn't sound *that* bad a deal when you think about it.

Especially when you’ve already won a ton of trophies in Madrid, so even if you only win the French league it’s no big deal. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: DB on June 02, 2023, 09:37:19 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Hookeysmith on June 02, 2023, 09:21:31 AM
I am sure i read back in the day that after the French won the world cup Marcel Desailly was all sealed to join Liverpoo but his wife after living in Marseille, Milan wanted London and not the bin dipping, house breaking capital.

I am sure wives, kids school, friends & family all play a part in where a player ends up - unless they are young and single then anywhere your money would be welcome

Marseille is a shithole though, go back a couple of streets from the seafront...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: not3bad on June 02, 2023, 09:38:00 AM
			

			

				It seems Joao Felix is on Villa's radar.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on June 02, 2023, 09:39:06 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: DB on June 02, 2023, 09:37:19 AM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on June 02, 2023, 09:21:31 AM
I am sure i read back in the day that after the French won the world cup Marcel Desailly was all sealed to join Liverpoo but his wife after living in Marseille, Milan wanted London and not the bin dipping, house breaking capital.

I am sure wives, kids school, friends & family all play a part in where a player ends up - unless they are young and single then anywhere your money would be welcome

Marseille is a shithole though, go back a couple of streets from the seafront...

...and you encounter a really nice and very cool town. The banlieues are a different story, but most of Marseille is beautiful and awesome.

Also, I don't know, isn't it time to ditch 'bin-dipping'?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: aev on June 02, 2023, 09:42:44 AM
			

			

				I really can't seem Emery suggesting that we should go and get Tammy Abraham. 

This would be extremely meh.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on June 02, 2023, 09:43:32 AM
			

			

				Was in Marseille about 6 years ago. Didn't seem the best place to wander too far from the main centre to be honest.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: aj2k77 on June 02, 2023, 09:46:51 AM
			

			

				Jaoa Felix looks crap to me and I can't spell his name properly. It's a no from me.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 02, 2023, 09:47:45 AM
			

			

				I used to go to Marseille a lot with work, late 90s. I always used to like going there but it's a proper rough, characterful city. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on June 02, 2023, 09:50:29 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on June 02, 2023, 09:43:32 AM
Was in Marseille about 6 years ago. Didn't seem the best place to wander too far from the main centre to be honest.

But the experience of a millionaire footballer playing for Marseille and their family, that's not really much of an issue.

I imagine they are far more acquainted with Saint-Tropez and Cannes than the Hauts de Mazargues. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on June 02, 2023, 09:50:52 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: aj2k77 on June 02, 2023, 09:46:51 AM
Jaoa Felix looks crap to me and I can't spell his name properly. It's a no from me.

He’s not crap. If someone plays him correctly he’d be excellent.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on June 02, 2023, 09:50:58 AM
			

			

				Depends what you mean by the main centre, but really you'd have to work quite hard to find the areas with high crime (16th or 9th arrondissements). In the core town only Bellevue has a rep, and even that's kind of an outdated preconception now.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 02, 2023, 09:52:03 AM
			

			

				There's something about port cities that makes them have a different feel.

Genoa, Naples, Marseille, for example. Even Liverpool to a degree.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on June 02, 2023, 09:56:22 AM
			

			

				If only Liverpool had the weather...

Yeah Palermo's another one, though a bit more on the melancholy side due to the recent, well, war. Barcelona is like if all of these got the piss gentrified out of them.

And Naples is the best.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on June 02, 2023, 10:13:42 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 02, 2023, 09:52:03 AM
There's something about port cities that makes them have a different feel.

Genoa, Naples, Marseille, for example. Even Liverpool to a degree.

It's where the err, 'goods' come in, so you've usually got a heavy criminal scene
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Chris Smith on June 02, 2023, 10:16:20 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 02, 2023, 09:52:03 AM
There's something about port cities that makes them have a different feel.

Genoa, Naples, Marseille, for example. Even Liverpool to a degree.

You forgot Stourport.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: not3bad on June 02, 2023, 10:21:14 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 02, 2023, 09:50:52 AM
Quote from: aj2k77 on June 02, 2023, 09:46:51 AM
Jaoa Felix looks crap to me and I can't spell his name properly. It's a no from me.

He’s not crap. If someone plays him correctly he’d be excellent.

I know a manager who might be able to do that.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on June 02, 2023, 10:26:39 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: not3bad on June 02, 2023, 10:21:14 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 02, 2023, 09:50:52 AM
Quote from: aj2k77 on June 02, 2023, 09:46:51 AM
Jaoa Felix looks crap to me and I can't spell his name properly. It's a no from me.

He’s not crap. If someone plays him correctly he’d be excellent.

I know a manager who might be able to do that.

I did say a few days ago I had a feeling we'd be in for him given the manager had specifically referenced trying to get him in January.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on June 02, 2023, 10:27:27 AM
			

			

				Still only a babby at 23 as well
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on June 02, 2023, 10:28:15 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on June 02, 2023, 10:26:39 AM
Quote from: not3bad on June 02, 2023, 10:21:14 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 02, 2023, 09:50:52 AM
Quote from: aj2k77 on June 02, 2023, 09:46:51 AM
Jaoa Felix looks crap to me and I can't spell his name properly. It's a no from me.

He’s not crap. If someone plays him correctly he’d be excellent.

I know a manager who might be able to do that.

I did say a few days ago I had a feeling we'd be in for him given the manager had specifically referenced trying to get him in January.
A big upgrade on Buendia.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on June 02, 2023, 10:29:45 AM
			

			

				Think it's harsh to judge a player on how he did for half a year in a flailing, depressed Chelsea side in a Sarlacc pit morale-wise, in a famously tough league to adapt to, jumping in halfway through the season.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on June 02, 2023, 10:31:51 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ChicagoLion on June 02, 2023, 10:28:15 AM
Quote from: LeeB on June 02, 2023, 10:26:39 AM
Quote from: not3bad on June 02, 2023, 10:21:14 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 02, 2023, 09:50:52 AM
Quote from: aj2k77 on June 02, 2023, 09:46:51 AM
Jaoa Felix looks crap to me and I can't spell his name properly. It's a no from me.

He’s not crap. If someone plays him correctly he’d be excellent.

I know a manager who might be able to do that.

I did say a few days ago I had a feeling we'd be in for him given the manager had specifically referenced trying to get him in January.
A big upgrade on Buendia.

Absolutely. 

I guess it may have helped our cause that he's been in this country for six months, has seen first hand how difficult the league is, and has watched us smash our way up the league and leave the club he joined for dust.

Like a long drawn out version of Jim Bowen showing contestants what they could've won.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 02, 2023, 10:35:37 AM
			

			

				Not too fussed about Felix. Just one I have a gut feeling wouldn’t work. Other ‘links’ this morning are JWP, not arsed about that one either and Abraham who might be a bit more like it but still not massively thrilling.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Joe S on June 02, 2023, 10:36:27 AM
			

			

				It would amusing if Joao Felix turned out to be good for us, that London mob would implode with rage.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 02, 2023, 10:42:33 AM
			

			

				He started well at chelsea and most commentators said his efforts and performance put the permanent signings to shame.

He seems to be a player that you have to build the team around so struggled under a Simone but I’d be confident he’d smash it in the Bailey role.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on June 02, 2023, 10:44:44 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 02, 2023, 10:42:33 AM
He started well at chelsea and most commentators said his efforts and performance put the permanent signings to shame.

He seems to be a player that you have to build the team around so struggled under a Simone but I’d be confident he’d smash it in the Bailey role.

Yes he’s struggled in two specific scenarios - Athletico where the team is almost set up to undermine what he does and Chelsea, who are shite. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on June 02, 2023, 10:45:19 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 02, 2023, 10:42:33 AM
He started well at chelsea and most commentators said his efforts and performance put the permanent signings to shame.

He seems to be a player that you have to build the team around so struggled under a Simone but I’d be confident he’d smash it in the Bailey role.
More the Buendia role based on where he plays.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 02, 2023, 10:48:52 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ChicagoLion on June 02, 2023, 10:45:19 AM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 02, 2023, 10:42:33 AM
He started well at chelsea and most commentators said his efforts and performance put the permanent signings to shame.

He seems to be a player that you have to build the team around so struggled under a Simone but I’d be confident he’d smash it in the Bailey role.
More the Buendia role based on where he plays.

Not for me, I’d have him as second striker, like Robbie Keane (but better). Not sure the tracking back expected of Buendia would be a good use of his strengths. Nice problem to have though.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Hookeysmith on June 02, 2023, 10:57:14 AM
			

			

				Have you seen the sort of prices and fee he would command - yet i could not for the life of me see why it was so high and hardly seemed justified.

Another one of these players that are over hyped beyond their actual ability.

BUT if UA wants a 3 legged Camel to play then i will go with his thoughts - if he thinks this guy is the deal that is good enough for me
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bad English on June 02, 2023, 11:44:42 AM
			

			

				I don't think Mrs Desailly would have been living in Toxteh, had her husband signed for that annoying Red club. Anyway, here is where all the footballers live when they sign for Marseille: the select quartier of La Castellane.


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on June 02, 2023, 11:45:32 AM
			

			

				Felix is quality. When Man Utd battered Chelsea the other week, he came on as a sub, looked a threat and scored. On commentary, Neville asked whether he would be at Chelsea would be there next season. The lead commentator said there's an option but would probably go back to Madrid. Neville replied that of all the players they have, he's the one that stands out and the one they could really do with keeping. 

As Hookey says though, the figures involved are astronomical. I saw an article yesterday saying he's on £270k/week. And you're probably looking at £15m+ for a one-year loan fee. 

I wondered how long it would take for us to be linked with him after January. I don't see it being very realistic though. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on June 02, 2023, 12:06:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on June 02, 2023, 11:45:32 AM
As Hookey says though, the figures involved are astronomical. I saw an article yesterday saying he's on £270k/week. And you're probably looking at £15m+ for a one-year loan fee. 

So only a bit more than a year of Ross Barkley then.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 02, 2023, 02:37:46 PM
			

			

				So far this week on various dodgy sites I have seen us linked with:

Largie Ramazani - A winger at Almeria quoted at €35m, never heard of him and seems a steep price.

Harvey Barnes - Yes please.

Yuri Teilemans - On a free I think he would add some depth and quality to the squad. An improvement on Sanson who will surely leave on a free,

Pau Torres - Obvious link as he has played under Emery. Given how good Mings and Konsa have been lately, and that we have Carlos to come back, iyt would be a strange one to spend a big chunk of the budget on. Good player though.

Kieran Tierney - Strange link as I can't see us getting a third expensive left back in successive transfer windows. Maybe Digne is to be sold though.

Tammy Abraham - Reckon that one is just lazy speculation.

Joao Felix - Would be an exciting signing, but very expensive. Maybe if Coutinho goes we would have space on the wage bill (not that I wan't Coutinho to go, as I think when he is fit and available Emery will have him playing well).
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: rob_bridge on June 02, 2023, 02:47:08 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on June 02, 2023, 02:37:46 PM
So far this week on various dodgy sites I have seen us linked with:

Largie Ramazani - A winger at Almeria quoted at €35m, never heard of him and seems a steep price. No idea

Harvey Barnes - Yes please. Agree

Yuri Teilemans - On a free I think he would add some depth and quality to the squad. An improvement on Sanson who will surely leave on a free, Bad attitude and big wages no thanks

Pau Torres - Obvious link as he has played under Emery. Given how good Mings and Konsa have been lately, and that we have Carlos to come back, iyt would be a strange one to spend a big chunk of the budget on. Good player though. Carlos being back fit is a new player on its own so depends on what form and fitness he can regain

Kieran Tierney - Strange link as I can't see us getting a third expensive left back in successive transfer windows. Maybe Digne is to be sold though. Digne, like Countinho,  is on daft wages so maybe that is the thinking

Tammy Abraham - Reckon that one is just lazy speculation. Agree - love him for what he did in getting us back but would be 40-50m and not obvious improvement on Ollie

Joao Felix - Would be an exciting signing, but very expensive. Maybe if Coutinho goes we would have space on the wage bill (not that I wan't Coutinho to go, as I think when he is fit and available Emery will have him playing well). Doubt it will happen - wages nearly double Coutinho

See above
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on June 02, 2023, 02:57:45 PM
			

			

				I can see us going for Tierney to be honest, but only if we move Digne on. The way Tierney plays absolutely fits with how we play, and Emery was at Arsenal when he signed from Celtic.

My concern would be that he seems to be made of balsa wood.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on June 02, 2023, 03:03:15 PM
			

			

				I can't see Sanson leaving on a free, tbh. He still has two years left on his contract, so we'd be chucking a load of FFP money down the Seine.

He's been getting loans and therefore loan-fees, so I can imagine they will want something for him.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Flamingo Lane on June 02, 2023, 03:50:05 PM
			

			

				Tierney is a fine player, and as he has shown for Scotland can also fit in well in central defence, when needed. As others have said though, he is injury prone, otherwise I'm not sure Arsenal would be keen to see him leave. As regards Digne, I thought he was excellent v Brighton.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 02, 2023, 04:11:36 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on June 02, 2023, 03:03:15 PM
I can't see Sanson leaving on a free, tbh. He still has two years left on his contract, so we'd be chucking a load of FFP money down the Seine.

He's been getting loans and therefore loan-fees, so I can imagine they will want something for him.

Plus he was getting rave reviews earlier in the season for his performances on loan.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 02, 2023, 04:20:02 PM
			

			

				Players I think may leave this window:

Hause - Can't see him staying, possibly one last loan if no buyers.
Davis - One year left on his contract, we should try and get a fee.
Sanson - Three managers haven't fancied him, despite him looking OK when played.
Nakamba - Would imagine Luton will offer us something for him.
Traore - I like him, but can't see us keeping him.
Coutinho - Wouldn't surprise me to see us move him out to reduce the wage bill, maybe to Saudi Arabia.
Olsen - Please please let him be sold!
Steer - Gone
Young - Gone
Wesley - Hopefully they find him another loan club, maybe in the Spanish 4th division.

Young players that might be integrated into the squad:

Iroegbunam
Archer
Philogene Bidace
Kessler Haydon
Duran

Leaves us short of competition at  right back, and no reserve goal keeper. Bit light up front, and on the wing.

Based on that I see priorities being a right back, two forwards and a backup GK. Maybe another central defender too. Surprised most of the links seem to be for central midfielders where we are reasonably well off.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on June 02, 2023, 04:20:51 PM
			

			

				Now that we're in Europe, Morg will return and play his part.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on June 02, 2023, 04:25:12 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on June 02, 2023, 04:20:51 PM
Now that we're in Europe, Morg will return and play his part.

Could be.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Mister E on June 02, 2023, 04:30:56 PM
			

			

				Felix? - nah, not for me. Expensive hit-n-miss sort of player.


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 02, 2023, 04:33:15 PM
			

			

				Players from relegated clubs that are any good:

Leicester - Maddison, Barnes, Evans, Teilemans.
Southampton - Walker-Peters, Ward-Prowse, Livromento.
Leeds - Gnonto, Harrison.

Already been linked to Barnes and Ward-Prowse. Would take Walker-Peters as competition for Cash, and think Gnonto will become a very good player. Maddison would be a good signing.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on June 02, 2023, 04:35:38 PM
			

			

				People keep mentioning Walker-Peters but from what I've seen he's crap.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 02, 2023, 04:41:13 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on June 02, 2023, 04:35:38 PM
People keep mentioning Walker-Peters but from what I've seen he's crap.

Been playing at left back most of this season to accommodate Livromento so not been playing in his natural position. Looked pretty good at right back the previous season. Still young too, so should improve with better coaching.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on June 02, 2023, 05:04:25 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on June 02, 2023, 04:33:15 PM
Players from relegated clubs that are any good:

Leicester - Maddison, Barnes, Evans, Teilemans.
Southampton - Walker-Peters, Ward-Prowse, Livromento.
Leeds - Gnonto, Harrison.

Already been linked to Barnes and Ward-Prowse. Would take Walker-Peters as competition for Cash, and think Gnonto will become a very good player. Maddison would be a good signing.

I’d have Barnes from Leicester at the right price. I think Tielemans hasn’t had the magic for too long now and Maddison will think he’s too good for us.

Not too enamoured on any of the Saints.

I’d have Gnonto all day every day, he’s going to be a smashing player if he develops.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on June 02, 2023, 05:05:03 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on June 02, 2023, 04:41:13 PM
Quote from: LeeB on June 02, 2023, 04:35:38 PM
People keep mentioning Walker-Peters but from what I've seen he's crap.

Been playing at left back most of this season to accommodate Livromento so not been playing in his natural position. Looked pretty good at right back the previous season. Still young too, so should improve with better coaching.

No, Liveramento has been injured all season, every time I saw him he was playing right back. Crap was probably unfair but he was extremely 'meh', and certainly not as good as Matty Cash.

I honestly don't see the point in buying players that are not as good as the one's we've got now, unless they're some wonderkid with bags of potential.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: jwarry on June 02, 2023, 05:06:23 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Mister E on June 02, 2023, 04:30:56 PM
Felix? - nah, not for me. Expensive hit-n-miss sort of player.



Really?!? I doubt Madrid would have spent £120m on him if he was hit and miss.  Sure he’s had a couple of injuries and a fall out with Simone, but he’s still only 23 and a potential world beater.  All he needs is a good coach…..and he’s only expensive if we can’t afford him 😁
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on June 02, 2023, 05:39:29 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on June 02, 2023, 09:43:32 AM
Was in Marseille about 6 years ago. Didn't seem the best place to wander too far from the main centre to be honest.

Similar to Wellingborough then mate 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on June 02, 2023, 06:09:05 PM
			

			

				If Felix is even slightly possible we must try.

Get Prowsey obviously.

I'd take Gnonto too. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Stu82 on June 02, 2023, 06:18:43 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: john e on June 02, 2023, 05:39:29 PM
Quote from: Risso on June 02, 2023, 09:43:32 AM
Was in Marseille about 6 years ago. Didn't seem the best place to wander too far from the main centre to be honest.

Similar to Wellingborough then mate

Does make me chuckle when we run down places like Wellingborough, when many of us come from the more rough and ready areas of Birmingham. No comparison, and yes I do know Wellingborough.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 02, 2023, 06:33:02 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bad English on June 02, 2023, 11:44:42 AM
I don't think Mrs Desailly would have been living in Toxteh, had her husband signed for that annoying Red club. Anyway, here is where all the footballers live when they sign for Marseille: the select quartier of La Castellane.


Quote from: Bad English on June 02, 2023, 11:44:42 AM
I don't think Mrs Desailly would have been living in Toxteh, had her husband signed for that annoying Red club. Anyway, here is where all the footballers live when they sign for Marseille: the select quartier of La Castellane.




Sorry all I keep thinking about was him in extras 

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: lovejoy on June 02, 2023, 07:08:41 PM
			

			

				Given our dead ball delivery is pretty good wha does JWP offer to improve the squad? Ne trick pony and won’t be cheap. With all these things you have to think of th3 cost which is why exiting Coutinho would really help as he’s too much of a luxury for the output you get on the field.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Exeter 77 on June 02, 2023, 07:27:29 PM
			

			

				If Ward-Prowse did sign that golf shot celebration would have to go.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: DB on June 02, 2023, 07:28:45 PM
			

			

				Felix one sounds like a case of his agent pimping him out via the press rather than us showing interest in any way.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 02, 2023, 07:38:12 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: DB on June 02, 2023, 07:28:45 PM
Felix one sounds like a case of his agent pimping him out via the press rather than us showing interest in any way.

I agree but his agent, our mate Mendes, must realise that he is running out of options that can afford him after the PL.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 02, 2023, 07:47:10 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Exeter 77 on June 02, 2023, 07:27:29 PM
If Ward-Prowse did sign that golf shot celebration would have to go.
 

Or, get rolled out every week. I think I could live with it then.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on June 02, 2023, 08:06:26 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: lovejoy on June 02, 2023, 07:08:41 PM
Given our dead ball delivery is pretty good wha does JWP offer to improve the squad? Ne trick pony and won’t be cheap. With all these things you have to think of th3 cost which is why exiting Coutinho would really help as he’s too much of a luxury for the output you get on the field.
If we are playing in Europe we are going to need more than 4 good midfielders.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 02, 2023, 09:14:35 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ChicagoLion on June 02, 2023, 08:06:26 PM
Quote from: lovejoy on June 02, 2023, 07:08:41 PM
Given our dead ball delivery is pretty good wha does JWP offer to improve the squad? Ne trick pony and won’t be cheap. With all these things you have to think of th3 cost which is why exiting Coutinho would really help as he’s too much of a luxury for the output you get on the field.
If we are playing in Europe we are going to need more than 4 good midfielders.

Then why would we buy JWP?!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on June 02, 2023, 09:25:19 PM
			

			

				I have said it before & I will day it again, if you take away the set pieces, Ward-Prowse is decidedly average. 

He is small, weak & slow. 

Yes he is a neat passer & has good technique, but we already have Dendoncker who is a slow, neat passer with good technique. 

But Dendoncker is 6'2". 

I think we have passed the point where we want to purchase the quality of the likes of Ward-Prowse. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on June 02, 2023, 09:47:36 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pablo_picasso on June 02, 2023, 09:25:19 PM
I have said it before & I will day it again, if you take away the set pieces, Ward-Prowse is decidedly average. 

He is small, weak & slow. 

Yes he is a neat passer & has good technique, but we already have Dendoncker who is a slow, neat passer with good technique. 

But Dendoncker is 6'2". 

I think we have passed the point where we want to purchase the quality of the likes of Ward-Prowse.

100%….if they weren’t skint he’d be a nailed on Everton signing
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on June 02, 2023, 09:56:24 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Gareth on June 02, 2023, 09:47:36 PM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on June 02, 2023, 09:25:19 PM
I have said it before & I will day it again, if you take away the set pieces, Ward-Prowse is decidedly average. 

He is small, weak & slow. 

Yes he is a neat passer & has good technique, but we already have Dendoncker who is a slow, neat passer with good technique. 

But Dendoncker is 6'2". 

I think we have passed the point where we want to purchase the quality of the likes of Ward-Prowse.

100%….if they weren’t skint he’d be a nailed on Everton signing

I could definitely see that happening if they still had cash, you’re right.

JWP does not excite me.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on June 02, 2023, 09:56:44 PM
			

			

				I think he’s a good, and underrated player. We forget many people, me included, thought McGinn had reached his ceiling and was on the way down. But we have an exceptional manager who knows how to coach and now he looks excellent. I could easily imagine that with Ward-Prowse.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on June 02, 2023, 10:02:11 PM
			

			

				For me he was ok when Romeo was doing the donkey work in midfield for him but he doesn’t impose himself on games-no doubt he is wonderful at set pieces but he goes missing too easily and too often.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: rob_bridge on June 02, 2023, 10:06:06 PM
			

			

				JWP another no from me. Surely he is similar but nowhere near as good as Dougie.


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 02, 2023, 10:07:10 PM
			

			

				I can see him at Palace or West Ham. He's no good for where we think we're going.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Chris_Jephcott on June 02, 2023, 10:07:16 PM
			

			

				Slightly concerned by Fabrizio’s comments on Emi today and the possibility that he will move.

Oh well. Time will tell… hopefully he’ll get a massive new contract here. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: rob_bridge on June 02, 2023, 10:24:58 PM
			

			

				According to PaddyPower we favs for Tielemans and Barnes. 2nd favourite for Tierney
Oddly JWP is favoured to sign for Newcastle  


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: rob_bridge on June 02, 2023, 10:26:47 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Chris_Jephcott on June 02, 2023, 10:07:16 PM
Slightly concerned by Fabrizio’s comments on Emi today and the possibility that he will move.

Oh well. Time will tell… hopefully he’ll get a massive new contract here.

Which top top enormo clubs don't have a top keeper? Or 2? 



			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on June 02, 2023, 10:30:15 PM
			

			

				Just looking at JWPs stats on Whoscored, and they are quite similar to Doug’s. Obviously, those don’t take into account how the team is set up and who is around them.

The question is, who in our midfield would he be an upgrade on? His stats are better than McGinn in attack and similar defensively, but as others have mentioned, he doesn’t have the physicality we’d miss if he replaced him.

We’re not going to pay to replace Doug with an older player. Same with Ramsey, who has better goal contributions per minute, more tackles per game, similar passing accuracy, just less key passes at this stage in his development.

Buendia’s stats don’t match up to JWP or the others, so he could be an improvement there. But what’s the price tag? And are there really no better players to fulfil that role?


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on June 02, 2023, 11:19:03 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on June 02, 2023, 10:30:15 PM
Just looking at JWPs stats on Whoscored, and they are quite similar to Doug’s. Obviously, those don’t take into account how the team is set up and who is around them.

The question is, who in our midfield would he be an upgrade on? His stats are better than McGinn in attack and similar defensively, but as others have mentioned, he doesn’t have the physicality we’d miss if he replaced him.

We’re not going to pay to replace Doug with an older player. Same with Ramsey, who has better goal contributions per minute, more tackles per game, similar passing accuracy, just less key passes at this stage in his development.

Buendia’s stats don’t match up to JWP or the others, so he could be an improvement there. But what’s the price tag? And are there really no better players to fulfil that role?

I wouldn't see him.playing in the Luiz / Kamara role if he came.  We have no cover in the positions McGinn and Ramsey play (think.they would suit Sanson but not sure we will see him.again), so could see JWP as an option for those roles really.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on June 02, 2023, 11:20:52 PM
			

			

				I suppose there is some merit in signing English based players in that they don't have to adapt and bed in.  Barnes, Tielemans and JWP all decent players, although aren't the sexy type of signings that we are probably expecting.  I'm sure that Unai will make them better players though. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 02, 2023, 11:28:22 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on June 02, 2023, 11:20:52 PM
I suppose there is some merit in signing English based players in that they don't have to adapt and bed in.  Barnes, Tielemans and JWP all decent players, although aren't the sexy type of signings that we are probably expecting.  I'm sure that Unai will make them better players though.

I know in an ideal world you directly upgrade the first XI but in the Kamara and Luiz position, who realistically could that be who would come? I can't think of many. So the likes of Tielemens or JWP would be strength in depth in that area to attack on all fronts. I'm not saying that's where I'd want a quarter of our transfer 'war chest' going, mind but an improvement on Donk? I'd say it is. I agree though that JWP has West Ham written all over it with Rice going.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on June 02, 2023, 11:39:37 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on June 02, 2023, 11:28:22 PM
Quote from: Steve67 on June 02, 2023, 11:20:52 PM
I suppose there is some merit in signing English based players in that they don't have to adapt and bed in.  Barnes, Tielemans and JWP all decent players, although aren't the sexy type of signings that we are probably expecting.  I'm sure that Unai will make them better players though.

I know in an ideal world you directly upgrade the first XI but in the Kamara and Luiz position, who realistically could that be who would come? I can't think of many. So the likes of Tielemens or JWP would be strength in depth in that area to attack on all fronts. I'm not saying that's where I'd want a quarter of our transfer 'war chest' going, mind but an improvement on Donk? I'd say it is. I agree though that JWP has West Ham written all over it with Rice going.

I suppose Guendouzi would be the preferred optionm for me, but we know that JWP and the others mentioned are already in the Premier Division and apart from last season were doing well.   As for the Donk, for some reason, there is a feeling that he just doesn't do enough to get in every week, although is a very steady player.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: danno on June 02, 2023, 11:41:57 PM
			

			

				Ward-Prowse would either play next to Kamara allowing Douglas Luiz to finally play further forward and unleash his inner Ronaldinho.

Or we’d play him at right back, he’s a very good passer and crosser of the ball, and would suit  our style of keeping possession. He likes a long range pass so can switch it quickly to Moreno or clip it over the top to Watkins. He’s played there previously.

At right back he can step into midfield which seems to be in fashion for right backs lately especially in possession based sides which we are aspiring to become (Walker at Man City, Alexander-Arnold at Liverpool).
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on June 02, 2023, 11:43:42 PM
			

			

				Fuck Danno, great suggestion.  JWP can play right back and would work his nuts off for the right manager.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on June 02, 2023, 11:49:10 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: danno on June 02, 2023, 11:41:57 PM
Ward-Prowse would either play next to Kamara allowing Douglas Luiz to finally play further forward and unleash his inner Ronaldinho.

Or we’d play him at right back, he’s a very good passer and crosser of the ball, and would suit  our style of keeping possession. He likes a long range pass so can switch it quickly to Moreno or clip it over the top to Watkins. He’s played there previously.

At right back he can step into midfield which seems to be in fashion for right backs lately especially in possession based sides which we are aspiring to become (Walker at Man City, Alexander-Arnold at Liverpool).

More likely he’d end up getting splinters on the bench, coming on for last 10 minutes when chasing games in hope of winning free kicks…definitely wouldn’t play him over Kamara, Luiz, Ramsey or McGinn 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: danno on June 02, 2023, 11:57:32 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Gareth on June 02, 2023, 11:49:10 PM
Quote from: danno on June 02, 2023, 11:41:57 PM
Ward-Prowse would either play next to Kamara allowing Douglas Luiz to finally play further forward and unleash his inner Ronaldinho.

Or we’d play him at right back, he’s a very good passer and crosser of the ball, and would suit  our style of keeping possession. He likes a long range pass so can switch it quickly to Moreno or clip it over the top to Watkins. He’s played there previously.

At right back he can step into midfield which seems to be in fashion for right backs lately especially in possession based sides which we are aspiring to become (Walker at Man City, Alexander-Arnold at Liverpool).

More likely he’d end up getting splinters on the bench, coming on for last 10 minutes when chasing games in hope of winning free kicks…definitely wouldn’t play him over Kamara, Luiz, Ramsey or McGinn

If we’re talking about what is likely, then it’s more likely he will go to Newcastle and be praised every other week for being better than either Longstaff.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 03, 2023, 01:13:27 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on June 02, 2023, 11:39:37 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on June 02, 2023, 11:28:22 PM
Quote from: Steve67 on June 02, 2023, 11:20:52 PM
I suppose there is some merit in signing English based players in that they don't have to adapt and bed in.  Barnes, Tielemans and JWP all decent players, although aren't the sexy type of signings that we are probably expecting.  I'm sure that Unai will make them better players though.

I know in an ideal world you directly upgrade the first XI but in the Kamara and Luiz position, who realistically could that be who would come? I can't think of many. So the likes of Tielemens or JWP would be strength in depth in that area to attack on all fronts. I'm not saying that's where I'd want a quarter of our transfer 'war chest' going, mind but an improvement on Donk? I'd say it is. I agree though that JWP has West Ham written all over it with Rice going.

I suppose Guendouzi would be the preferred optionm for me, but we know that JWP and the others mentioned are already in the Premier Division and apart from last season were doing well.   As for the Donk, for some reason, there is a feeling that he just doesn't do enough to get in every week, although is a very steady player. 

I think going by what more knowledgeable 
people have said then Guendouzi would be challenging McGinn rather than Kamara or Luiz. I have no issue with the Donk, I wouldn't be gutted if he was still here but he can be improved upon.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 03, 2023, 01:16:05 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: danno on June 02, 2023, 11:41:57 PM
Ward-Prowse would either play next to Kamara allowing Douglas Luiz to finally play further forward and unleash his inner Ronaldinho.

Or we’d play him at right back, he’s a very good passer and crosser of the ball, and would suit  our style of keeping possession. He likes a long range pass so can switch it quickly to Moreno or clip it over the top to Watkins. He’s played there previously.

At right back he can step into midfield which seems to be in fashion for right backs lately especially in possession based sides which we are aspiring to become (Walker at Man City, Alexander-Arnold at Liverpool).

Hark at Pep over here. Interesting shout though.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Goldenballs on June 03, 2023, 07:36:45 AM
			

			

				JWP would cost a lot and he signed a big new contract last year. I would've had him a season or 2 ago but was hoping for better. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on June 03, 2023, 07:43:13 AM
			

			

				JWP wouldn’t get in ahead of Douglas or Bouba but playing him at right back, with his hard work and crossing ability/free kicks is a good shout. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 03, 2023, 07:45:54 AM
			

			

				Love the idea of signing Tierney. Watching Scotland regularly, he is better than Robertson and can play LB, CB or in MF.

Would assume it would mean moving Digne on. Have to say that LB doesn't seem to be a pressing need.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Mister E on June 03, 2023, 08:37:38 AM
			

			

				JWP at right back is something I'd thought about.
Tierney seems very injury-prone...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on June 03, 2023, 08:47:09 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Gareth on June 02, 2023, 11:49:10 PM
Quote from: danno on June 02, 2023, 11:41:57 PM
Ward-Prowse would either play next to Kamara allowing Douglas Luiz to finally play further forward and unleash his inner Ronaldinho.

Or we’d play him at right back, he’s a very good passer and crosser of the ball, and would suit  our style of keeping possession. He likes a long range pass so can switch it quickly to Moreno or clip it over the top to Watkins. He’s played there previously.

At right back he can step into midfield which seems to be in fashion for right backs lately especially in possession based sides which we are aspiring to become (Walker at Man City, Alexander-Arnold at Liverpool).

More likely he’d end up getting splinters on the bench, coming on for last 10 minutes when chasing games in hope of winning free kicks…definitely wouldn’t play him over Kamara, Luiz, Ramsey or McGinn
I wouldnt either but the idea that they will be fit for every game is why we need some serious back up.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on June 03, 2023, 09:11:41 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on June 03, 2023, 07:43:13 AM
JWP wouldn’t get in ahead of Douglas or Bouba but playing him at right back, with his hard work and crossing ability/free kicks is a good shout.

Is he quick enough to play full back? we had Targett who runs like he’s towing a caravan at left back who had to be upgraded, not sure would want another slow full back ever
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on June 03, 2023, 09:22:19 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Gareth on June 03, 2023, 09:11:41 AM
Quote from: Steve67 on June 03, 2023, 07:43:13 AM
JWP wouldn’t get in ahead of Douglas or Bouba but playing him at right back, with his hard work and crossing ability/free kicks is a good shout.

Is he quick enough to play full back? we had Targett who runs like he’s towing a caravan at left back who had to be upgraded, not sure would want another slow full back ever

We can put him on steroids.   I'm sure they're allowed these days!  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on June 03, 2023, 09:23:37 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on June 03, 2023, 09:22:19 AM
Quote from: Gareth on June 03, 2023, 09:11:41 AM
Quote from: Steve67 on June 03, 2023, 07:43:13 AM
JWP wouldn’t get in ahead of Douglas or Bouba but playing him at right back, with his hard work and crossing ability/free kicks is a good shout.

Is he quick enough to play full back? we had Targett who runs like he’s towing a caravan at left back who had to be upgraded, not sure would want another slow full back ever

We can put him on steroids.   I'm sure they're allowed these days!  

Never did any of the WWF wrestlers any harm
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on June 03, 2023, 09:26:00 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on June 03, 2023, 09:23:37 AM
Quote from: Steve67 on June 03, 2023, 09:22:19 AM
Quote from: Gareth on June 03, 2023, 09:11:41 AM
Quote from: Steve67 on June 03, 2023, 07:43:13 AM
JWP wouldn’t get in ahead of Douglas or Bouba but playing him at right back, with his hard work and crossing ability/free kicks is a good shout.

Is he quick enough to play full back? we had Targett who runs like he’s towing a caravan at left back who had to be upgraded, not sure would want another slow full back ever

We can put him on steroids.   I'm sure they're allowed these days!  

Never did any of the WWF wrestlers any harm

Yes, and they made John Cena a much better actor. Honestly! 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on June 03, 2023, 09:28:41 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Chris_Jephcott on June 02, 2023, 10:07:16 PM
Slightly concerned by Fabrizio’s comments on Emi today and the possibility that he will move.

Oh well. Time will tell… hopefully he’ll get a massive new contract here. 

What did he say? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on June 03, 2023, 09:34:50 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Marlon From Bearwood on June 03, 2023, 09:28:41 AM
Quote from: Chris_Jephcott on June 02, 2023, 10:07:16 PM
Slightly concerned by Fabrizio’s comments on Emi today and the possibility that he will move.

Oh well. Time will tell… hopefully he’ll get a massive new contract here. 

What did he say? 

Nothing on Twitter that I can see.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on June 03, 2023, 09:56:56 AM
			

			

				But where would he go? Who a) needs a goalkeeper, b) can win the Champions League, and c) could afford him?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: jwarry on June 03, 2023, 09:59:31 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Monty on June 03, 2023, 09:56:56 AM
But where would he go? Who a) needs a goalkeeper, b) can win the Champions League, and c) could afford him?

And he will only leave if Unai wants him to leave.  Our days as a selling club are over
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on June 03, 2023, 10:07:59 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: jwarry on June 03, 2023, 09:59:31 AM
Quote from: Monty on June 03, 2023, 09:56:56 AM
But where would he go? Who a) needs a goalkeeper, b) can win the Champions League, and c) could afford him?

And he will only leave if Unai wants him to leave.  Our days as a selling club are over

Oof,  don't set yourself up for disappointment like that! There are maybe three clubs on earth who aren't 'selling clubs', and we ain't one of them. We're in a stronger position than most, however, and certainly much stronger than we were.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Mellin on June 03, 2023, 10:15:16 AM
			

			

				Someone will need to really, really want him as he will cost a fortune. Good luck.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on June 03, 2023, 10:18:12 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: danno on June 02, 2023, 11:41:57 PM
Ward-Prowse would either play next to Kamara allowing Douglas Luiz to finally play further forward and unleash his inner Ronaldinho.
Hopefully Ward-Prowse can play for another team that will be relegated next season, and come nowhere near Bodymoor Heath.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on June 03, 2023, 10:18:50 AM
			

			

				Yeah saw some supposed 'insider' called 'Dean Jones' say he'd 'heard' he would cost '£40m'. 

There are a lot of football folk who really don't get it yet, aren't there?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Holy Trinity on June 03, 2023, 10:21:32 AM
			

			

				As much as I love Emi if a big bid came in and the club wanted to sell I wouldn't be dead set against it but only if we bring in a real replacement. There are plenty of top level keepers who whilst not world class like Emi we wouldn't see much of a point difference from keeping errors come the end of the season. 
If he foes it'll be for mega money and because the club decide to cash in.

However that said I cant see him leaving this summer, then next season after we've won the conference league and finished top 4 he'll be going nowhere haha!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on June 03, 2023, 10:24:33 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on June 02, 2023, 04:35:38 PM
People keep mentioning Walker-Peters but from what I've seen he's crap.
I would have rated him lower than that but you know more about playing than I do that so I accept your judgement. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on June 03, 2023, 11:05:44 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: danno on June 02, 2023, 11:41:57 PM
Ward-Prowse would either play next to Kamara allowing Douglas Luiz to finally play further forward and unleash his inner Ronaldinho.

Or we’d play him at right back, he’s a very good passer and crosser of the ball, and would suit  our style of keeping possession. He likes a long range pass so can switch it quickly to Moreno or clip it over the top to Watkins. He’s played there previously.

At right back he can step into midfield which seems to be in fashion for right backs lately especially in possession based sides which we are aspiring to become (Walker at Man City, Alexander-Arnold at Liverpool).

Hell no. 

I despise this new "tactic" of playing your RB in midfield. 

Watching Liverpool do it is painful as Alexander-Arnold goes wandering where he likes & Konate has to fill the Rb slot, leaving massive gaps in what has become a back three. And Alexander-Arnolds goals & assist stats have actually gone down by moving him into an advanced position. But if they want Alexander Arnold to play him in midfield enough, they should just give him a midfield position. 

The only reason Man City can pull it off is because Walker is fast as fuck & the whole team cost the annual military budget of the USA. And even then, people can get at them via their right hand side now. 

Could you imagine the incredibly slow Ward-Prowse playing there? 

Gives me nightmares just thinking about it. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Chris_Jephcott on June 03, 2023, 11:07:41 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Marlon From Bearwood on June 03, 2023, 09:28:41 AM
Quote from: Chris_Jephcott on June 02, 2023, 10:07:16 PM
Slightly concerned by Fabrizio’s comments on Emi today and the possibility that he will move.

Oh well. Time will tell… hopefully he’ll get a massive new contract here. 

What did he say?

It was apparently on one of his transfer shows but this is what was said:


“There is a possibility that Emi Martínez could change clubs due to ‘goalkeepers domino’ this summer. Look at English clubs including Chelsea, Tottenham.”

It seems ironic that those 2 clubs both finished beneath us this year, so I’d take it with a pinch of salt. But then again, who knows… Emi is the backbone of this team in many ways, and to lose him this summer would be a real kick in the bollocks - just as we threaten to push on again. But then again, why would he leave??? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 03, 2023, 11:08:28 AM
			

			

				Linked with Pedro Goncalves of Sporting CP today, winger with a decent goals and assists record. No idea if he is any good.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on June 03, 2023, 11:17:32 AM
			

			

				Spurs couldn't afford his left sock and literally the only position at Chelsea that's absolutely sorted is goalkeeper.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 03, 2023, 11:18:35 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on June 03, 2023, 11:08:28 AM
Linked with Pedro Goncalves of Sporting CP today, winger with a decent goals and assists record. No idea if he is any good.

He's good but not for his buy-out of €80m of which Sporting would only get half.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 03, 2023, 11:21:13 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Monty on June 03, 2023, 11:17:32 AM
Spurs couldn't afford his left sock and literally the only position at Chelsea that's absolutely sorted is goalkeeper.

I agree he's not going but one of those Chelsea keepers is tipped to leave.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on June 03, 2023, 11:27:44 AM
			

			

				Can picture him signing and saying he remembers as a kid watching Poch play for Argentina, and always thought he was a sick manager etc.  
Just don't accept Kepa the Keepa or Mendy in part-ex. They're both bang-average.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on June 03, 2023, 11:32:01 AM
			

			

				With all their FFP concerns and squad issues I just cannot see them breaking the record for a keeper again, and that's what it would take.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on June 03, 2023, 11:35:45 AM
			

			

				Has this Martinez talk come up again because of something nobody said on Twitter? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Holy Trinity on June 03, 2023, 11:45:51 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clampy on June 03, 2023, 11:35:45 AM
Has this Martinez talk come up again because of something nobody said on Twitter? 

I think its just the rumour mill putting two and two together. I dont think anyone really thinks he's going anywhere just more the media hoping he does. Plus the bloke who mentioned 40 million is smoking some great crack so keep an eye out for him!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on June 03, 2023, 11:49:52 AM
			

			

				I'm sure that Romano tweet was from a few months back
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on June 03, 2023, 11:51:18 AM
			

			

				Romano was probably just jumping on the bandwagon, like he always does. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on June 03, 2023, 11:54:27 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: olaftab on June 03, 2023, 10:24:33 AM

Quote from: LeeB on June 02, 2023, 04:35:38 PM
People keep mentioning Walker-Peters but from what I've seen he's crap.
I would have rated him lower than that but you know more about playing than I do that so I accept your judgement. 

You're too kind my friend
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on June 03, 2023, 12:33:37 PM
			

			

				it wouldn’t make great financial business to sell Martinez even for a big fee
If we got say 70-80m for him it looks a lot on paper, but then you’ve got to go out and replace probably for 30-40m for someone not as good 
You’ve banked somewhere in the region of 30 million left yourself a lot weaker in the process 
It ain’t worth it

I can understand the reason it’s talked about all the time though
We have a world-class goalkeeper, probably the best in the world playing in the European conference league when his level should be Champions League
It’s going to get speculated on whether we like it or not, it’s no good putting our heads in the sand pretending it’s not something people aren’t going to notice

This is Football fellas. It’s what happens in the transfer market.







			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on June 03, 2023, 01:01:34 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on June 03, 2023, 11:51:18 AM
Romano was probably just jumping on the bandwagon, like he always does. 

He hasn't mentioned him. Not in the last few months, anyway.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on June 03, 2023, 01:05:39 PM
			

			

				I’m not sure Romano jumps on the bandwagon does he? It’s a weird existence, but his whole “brand” is being reliable and I’d say he generally is.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on June 03, 2023, 01:25:19 PM
			

			

				Romano's fine, apart from his weird and creepy habit of referring to players by their first names.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on June 03, 2023, 01:35:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Monty on June 03, 2023, 01:25:19 PM
Romano's fine, apart from his weird and creepy habit of referring to players by their first names.

A lot of people do that. 

Especially with "Trent" Alexander-Arnold. 

Pisses me off no end. 

My mates do it too. Like they know him & go out for a pint with him every Thursday night.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on June 03, 2023, 01:35:57 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 03, 2023, 01:05:39 PM
I’m not sure Romano jumps on the bandwagon does he? It’s a weird existence, but his whole “brand” is being reliable and I’d say he generally is.

His shtick is amplifying other people's journalism to a wider audience. 

So it's pretty rare he'll be the first to report anything, but by the time he does it's probably happening. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 03, 2023, 01:37:21 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pablo_picasso on June 03, 2023, 01:35:17 PM
Quote from: Monty on June 03, 2023, 01:25:19 PM
Romano's fine, apart from his weird and creepy habit of referring to players by their first names.

A lot of people do that. 

Especially with "Trent" Alexander-Arnold. 

Pisses me off no end. 

My mates do it too. Like they know him & go out for a pint with him every Thursday night.

I think most people do it because they can’t be bothered to say his surname. I know what I’d rather type.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on June 03, 2023, 01:39:48 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 03, 2023, 01:37:21 PM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on June 03, 2023, 01:35:17 PM
Quote from: Monty on June 03, 2023, 01:25:19 PM
Romano's fine, apart from his weird and creepy habit of referring to players by their first names.

A lot of people do that. 

Especially with "Trent" Alexander-Arnold. 

Pisses me off no end. 

My mates do it too. Like they know him & go out for a pint with him every Thursday night.

I think most people do it because they can’t be bothered to say his surname. I know what I’d rather type.

They do it while talking too. 

I always interrupt them & ask when is their next night out with him down the pub?

You are right though. It is pure laziness. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on June 03, 2023, 01:43:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pablo_picasso on June 03, 2023, 01:39:48 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 03, 2023, 01:37:21 PM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on June 03, 2023, 01:35:17 PM
Quote from: Monty on June 03, 2023, 01:25:19 PM
Romano's fine, apart from his weird and creepy habit of referring to players by their first names.

A lot of people do that. 

Especially with "Trent" Alexander-Arnold. 

Pisses me off no end. 

My mates do it too. Like they know him & go out for a pint with him every Thursday night.

I think most people do it because they can’t be bothered to say his surname. I know what I’d rather type.

They do it while talking too. 

I always interrupt them & ask when is their next night out with him down the pub?

You are right though. It is pure laziness.

Don’t we use Ollie, Dougie and Emi more often than not, though?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on June 03, 2023, 02:01:30 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 03, 2023, 01:37:21 PM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on June 03, 2023, 01:35:17 PM
Quote from: Monty on June 03, 2023, 01:25:19 PM
Romano's fine, apart from his weird and creepy habit of referring to players by their first names.

A lot of people do that. 

Especially with "Trent" Alexander-Arnold. 

Pisses me off no end. 

My mates do it too. Like they know him & go out for a pint with him every Thursday night.

I think most people do it because they can’t be bothered to say his surname. I know what I’d rather type.

I was going to say that, plus nobody else is called 'Trent', not even Terence Trent D'Arby anymore
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 03, 2023, 02:02:54 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: villadelph on June 03, 2023, 01:43:18 PM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on June 03, 2023, 01:39:48 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 03, 2023, 01:37:21 PM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on June 03, 2023, 01:35:17 PM
Quote from: Monty on June 03, 2023, 01:25:19 PM
Romano's fine, apart from his weird and creepy habit of referring to players by their first names.

A lot of people do that. 

Especially with "Trent" Alexander-Arnold. 

Pisses me off no end. 

My mates do it too. Like they know him & go out for a pint with him every Thursday night.

I think most people do it because they can’t be bothered to say his surname. I know what I’d rather type.

They do it while talking too. 

I always interrupt them & ask when is their next night out with him down the pub?

You are right though. It is pure laziness.

Don’t we use Ollie, Dougie and Emi more often than not, though?
 

Some might. Others, only when shouting encouragement from the stands.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on June 03, 2023, 02:25:54 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: villadelph on June 03, 2023, 01:43:18 PM
Don’t we use Ollie, Dougie and Emi more often than not, though?
That's perfectly OK. We are fans and we love em. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on June 03, 2023, 02:29:11 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clampy on June 03, 2023, 11:35:45 AM
Has this Martinez talk come up again because of something nobody said on Twitter? 
No, it's because we have nothing else to talk about as we are ignoring "the People's Cup Final" 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 03, 2023, 02:37:44 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on June 03, 2023, 02:01:30 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 03, 2023, 01:37:21 PM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on June 03, 2023, 01:35:17 PM
Quote from: Monty on June 03, 2023, 01:25:19 PM
Romano's fine, apart from his weird and creepy habit of referring to players by their first names.

A lot of people do that. 

Especially with "Trent" Alexander-Arnold. 

Pisses me off no end. 

My mates do it too. Like they know him & go out for a pint with him every Thursday night.

I think most people do it because they can’t be bothered to say his surname. I know what I’d rather type.

I was going to say that, plus nobody else is called 'Trent', not even Terence Trent D'Arby anymore

The Powerhouse. 1987 (?). One of the best gigs I’ve ever been to. Like watching Prince in a small venue.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: rob_bridge on June 03, 2023, 02:38:16 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on June 03, 2023, 02:01:30 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 03, 2023, 01:37:21 PM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on June 03, 2023, 01:35:17 PM
Quote from: Monty on June 03, 2023, 01:25:19 PM
Romano's fine, apart from his weird and creepy habit of referring to players by their first names.

A lot of people do that. 

Especially with "Trent" Alexander-Arnold. 

Pisses me off no end. 

My mates do it too. Like they know him & go out for a pint with him every Thursday night.

I think most people do it because they can’t be bothered to say his surname. I know what I’d rather type.

I was going to say that, plus nobody else is called 'Trent', not even Terence Trent D'Arby anymore

That bloke Forest are always singing about
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Matt C on June 03, 2023, 02:39:32 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on June 03, 2023, 11:08:28 AM
Linked with Pedro Goncalves of Sporting CP today, winger with a decent goals and assists record. No idea if he is any good.

Did he score that great goal against Arsenal in the Europa or was that someone else?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 03, 2023, 02:40:47 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Matt C on June 03, 2023, 02:39:32 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on June 03, 2023, 11:08:28 AM
Linked with Pedro Goncalves of Sporting CP today, winger with a decent goals and assists record. No idea if he is any good.

Did he score that great goal against Arsenal in the Europa or was that someone else?

That’s the fella.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on June 03, 2023, 02:43:52 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 03, 2023, 02:37:44 PM
Quote from: LeeB on June 03, 2023, 02:01:30 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 03, 2023, 01:37:21 PM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on June 03, 2023, 01:35:17 PM
Quote from: Monty on June 03, 2023, 01:25:19 PM
Romano's fine, apart from his weird and creepy habit of referring to players by their first names.

A lot of people do that. 

Especially with "Trent" Alexander-Arnold. 

Pisses me off no end. 

My mates do it too. Like they know him & go out for a pint with him every Thursday night.

I think most people do it because they can’t be bothered to say his surname. I know what I’d rather type.

I was going to say that, plus nobody else is called 'Trent', not even Terence Trent D'Arby anymore

The Powerhouse. 1987 (?). One of the best gigs I’ve ever been to. Like watching Prince in a small venue.

Class, still got "Introducing the Hardline...." on the memory stick in the car
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on June 03, 2023, 02:58:33 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: villadelph on June 03, 2023, 01:43:18 PM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on June 03, 2023, 01:39:48 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 03, 2023, 01:37:21 PM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on June 03, 2023, 01:35:17 PM
Quote from: Monty on June 03, 2023, 01:25:19 PM
Romano's fine, apart from his weird and creepy habit of referring to players by their first names.

A lot of people do that. 

Especially with "Trent" Alexander-Arnold. 

Pisses me off no end. 

My mates do it too. Like they know him & go out for a pint with him every Thursday night.

I think most people do it because they can’t be bothered to say his surname. I know what I’d rather type.

They do it while talking too. 

I always interrupt them & ask when is their next night out with him down the pub?

You are right though. It is pure laziness.

Don’t we use Ollie, Dougie and Emi more often than not, though?

I don't. 

I don't even do it with the Ramsey brothers. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 03, 2023, 03:47:20 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pablo_picasso on June 03, 2023, 02:58:33 PM
Quote from: villadelph on June 03, 2023, 01:43:18 PM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on June 03, 2023, 01:39:48 PM
[They do it while talking too. 

I always interrupt them & ask when is their next night out with him down the pub?

You are right though. It is pure laziness.

Don’t we use Ollie, Dougie and Emi more often than not, though?

I don't. 

I don't even do it with the Ramsey brothers. 

Whatever you say, Pablo.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on June 03, 2023, 05:31:49 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on June 03, 2023, 03:47:20 PM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on June 03, 2023, 02:58:33 PM
Quote from: villadelph on June 03, 2023, 01:43:18 PM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on June 03, 2023, 01:39:48 PM
[They do it while talking too. 

I always interrupt them & ask when is their next night out with him down the pub?

You are right though. It is pure laziness.

Don’t we use Ollie, Dougie and Emi more often than not, though?
 
I don't. 

I don't even do it with the Ramsey brothers. 

Whatever you say, Pablo.

Im glad thats cleared up. 

Whatever it was... 

 ;D
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: curiousorange on June 03, 2023, 06:16:53 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on June 03, 2023, 02:43:52 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 03, 2023, 02:37:44 PM
Quote from: LeeB on June 03, 2023, 02:01:30 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 03, 2023, 01:37:21 PM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on June 03, 2023, 01:35:17 PM
Quote from: Monty on June 03, 2023, 01:25:19 PM
Romano's fine, apart from his weird and creepy habit of referring to players by their first names.

A lot of people do that. 

Especially with "Trent" Alexander-Arnold. 

Pisses me off no end. 

My mates do it too. Like they know him & go out for a pint with him every Thursday night.

I think most people do it because they can’t be bothered to say his surname. I know what I’d rather type.

I was going to say that, plus nobody else is called 'Trent', not even Terence Trent D'Arby anymore

The Powerhouse. 1987 (?). One of the best gigs I’ve ever been to. Like watching Prince in a small venue.

Class, still got "Introducing the Hardline...." on the memory stick in the car

TTD is quite high on my list of "if you could have been any musician...". Looks, talent, voice. Now he lives in Italy and records whatever mad things he chooses,  because his debut keeps paying out.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on June 03, 2023, 07:45:25 PM
			

			

				He did an interesting interview on Martyn Ware (of H17/THL)'s podcast a while back.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 03, 2023, 08:03:40 PM
			

			

				Now linked with two Spurs cast offs

Danjuma - Spurs didn't take up the buy option, now being linked to us again. Might be a lazy link due to the Emery / Villareal connection. I assume if we were interested we would have signed him when Spurs did in January.

Lo Celso - Again bit of a lazy link as Emery has signed him for both PSG and Villareal previously. Has not sparkled at Spurs, but is a full Argentina international so can't be that bad.

Also been some speculation on the Brentford keeper David Raya at £40m. I don't know how the press tout Martinez for the same price as Raya, but would expect us to pay a lot less if we did buy him whilst selling Emi for a lot more if we did sell.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on June 03, 2023, 08:12:37 PM
			

			

				It's a bit quiet on the transfer front atm. Not just us, all clubs.

Hurry up. Want some news. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bad English on June 03, 2023, 10:26:05 PM
			

			

				Messi has left PSG. There.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on June 03, 2023, 10:55:40 PM
			

			

				Eden Hazard leaving Real Madrid on July 1st. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 04, 2023, 12:22:14 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on June 03, 2023, 10:55:40 PM
Eden Hazard leaving Real Madrid on July 1st.

Is he still fat?*

*by a professional footballer standard.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on June 04, 2023, 06:20:58 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on June 03, 2023, 08:03:40 PM
Now linked with two Spurs cast offs

Danjuma - Spurs didn't take up the buy option, now being linked to us again. Might be a lazy link due to the Emery / Villareal connection. I assume if we were interested we would have signed him when Spurs did in January.

Lo Celso - Again bit of a lazy link as Emery has signed him for both PSG and Villareal previously. Has not sparkled at Spurs, but is a full Argentina international so can't be that bad.

Also been some speculation on the Brentford keeper David Raya at £40m. I don't know how the press tout Martinez for the same price as Raya, but would expect us to pay a lot less if we did buy him whilst selling Emi for a lot more if we did sell.

Wouldn't surprise me if we did bring in a couple of players at this stage who have played under him before though.  He's seen what he is working with now and will have a clear idea of the upgrades he needs and might have in mind a couple of players who could provide those upgrades.

They will be players who could fit in quite quickly, would know his methods and ways of working and may be keen to work with him again.  

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: nigel on June 04, 2023, 08:22:18 AM
			

			

				Aston Villa are in talks with Sporting Lisbon over a move for 24-year-old Portugal midfielder Pedro Gonçalves. (A Bola - via Sport Witness)

Don’t know how reliable these are
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on June 04, 2023, 08:34:00 AM
			

			

				The Guendozi stuff seems to have gone very quiet, there must have been something in that in January given the noise from his side?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on June 04, 2023, 08:45:07 AM
			

			

				This is generally the quietest time, season end, everyone going on holiday, just a couple of competitions coming to an finish. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 04, 2023, 11:48:43 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: nigel on June 04, 2023, 08:22:18 AM
Aston Villa are in talks with Sporting Lisbon over a move for 24-year-old Portugal midfielder Pedro Gonçalves. (A Bola - via Sport Witness)

Don’t know how reliable these are

Yesterday A Bola had a small piece saying we could be interested and had approached Sporting to know the price. Sporting are for now sticking on his buy-out clause which is €80m, twice what he's worth. The problem is Sporting would only receive €40m, the other half has to be paid to Famalicão who hold 50% of his registration.

We were said to be monitoring Manuel Ugarte but it looks like Chelsea have agreed to pay Sporting €60m. Sporting are looking to use €20m to buy Viktor Gyokeres  of play-off flops, we'll be back just don't know when Coventry City.

One player who could be interesting for us if the headlines are correct is Feyenoord's Kokçu who is seen as the ideal replacement for Enzo Fernández at Benfica. €25m being quoted as the price. Anybody know anything about him?


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on June 04, 2023, 01:21:43 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on June 04, 2023, 11:48:43 AM
One player who could be interesting for us if the headlines are correct is Feyenoord's Kokçu who is seen as the ideal replacement for Enzo Fernández at Benfica. €25m being quoted as the price. Anybody know anything about him?

We were being linked with him a couple of months ago. Those that have seen him said he would be a good signing. Think Arsenal have been linked with him (but the London press link them and Tottenham to everyone). 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on June 04, 2023, 01:29:09 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on June 04, 2023, 11:48:43 AM
Quote from: nigel on June 04, 2023, 08:22:18 AM
Aston Villa are in talks with Sporting Lisbon over a move for 24-year-old Portugal midfielder Pedro Gonçalves. (A Bola - via Sport Witness)

Don’t know how reliable these are

Yesterday A Bola had a small piece saying we could be interested and had approached Sporting to know the price. Sporting are for now sticking on his buy-out clause which is €80m, twice what he's worth. The problem is Sporting would only receive €40m, the other half has to be paid to Famalicão who hold 50% of his registration.


The amusing thing about the bold bit is that Sporting will be one of the first clubs to sit there whining about how much English clubs are spending, & how it is "ruining the game", yet when it comes to selling to us, they instantly double or triple the price. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on June 04, 2023, 01:35:13 PM
			

			

				They could  have bought Famalicão's share by now. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 04, 2023, 01:56:17 PM
			

			

				Chelsea have a bloated squad now, having missed out on Europe, indeed they already seem have started a fire sale with a few players seemingly heading to Manchester United and Manchester City.

Looking at who might be available, I wouldn't mind us bidding for Pulisic. I know he hasn't pulled up any trees at Chelsea, but he looked good at the world cup, clearly has a lot of talent and would suit our system.

Other players that I think we could realistically get are Wan Bissaka from Man Utd (good player and would suit Emery's asymmetric fullback style as more defensive minded) and Zaha on a free who would be an exciting signing.

From the relegated clubs I would love Maddison but not seen any links. Ward-Prowse is a good player, and Gnonto is a superb prospect.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Chap on June 04, 2023, 02:19:42 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on June 04, 2023, 01:21:43 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on June 04, 2023, 11:48:43 AM
One player who could be interesting for us if the headlines are correct is Feyenoord's Kokçu who is seen as the ideal replacement for Enzo Fernández at Benfica. €25m being quoted as the price. Anybody know anything about him?

We were being linked with him a couple of months ago. Those that have seen him said he would be a good signing. Think Arsenal have been linked with him (but the London press link them and Tottenham to everyone).

Also from my source in Lisbon -

He is great! Can play as a CM, CAM, RW, LW. Scores a lot of goals anda makes a lot of assists. He is a great finisher and playmaker, but he is agressive aswell. But after selling Ugarte to Chelsea i dont think Pedro Gonçalves Will leave Sporting this season. And if he does will be for a lot of money (60-80 M€)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on June 04, 2023, 02:28:53 PM
			

			

				Kokcu would be a brilliant signing. Dutch born but has opted to play international football for his parents country, Turkiye. My Dutch pal, who supports Feyenoord and also Villa said Kokcu will go this summer and he would rather he came to us. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on June 04, 2023, 02:33:29 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on June 04, 2023, 01:56:17 PM


Other players that I think we could realistically get are Wan Bissaka from Man Utd (good player and would suit Emery's asymmetric fullback style as more defensive minded) and Zaha on a free who would be an exciting signing.

Can’t see Wan Bissaka being an Emery style player, Their fans moan that whilst he is a good one on one defender he has very little attacking ability which wouldn’t suit our way of playing
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 04, 2023, 02:52:36 PM
			

			

				I've definitely read Kokcu linked with Liverpool as well so he must be rated.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 04, 2023, 02:52:54 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on June 04, 2023, 01:35:13 PM
They could  have bought Famalicão's share by now. 

I'm sure they've tried but the tough part of negotiating a deal is having an unwilling seller.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: DB on June 04, 2023, 02:59:48 PM
			

			

				Benzema leaving RM, could this mean Kane moving there?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on June 04, 2023, 03:19:52 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: DB on June 04, 2023, 02:59:48 PM
Benzema leaving RM, could this mean Kane moving there?

Deeney is free
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: steamer on June 04, 2023, 04:19:04 PM
			

			

				One for the future  ;D
Knackers yard 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: DB on June 04, 2023, 04:33:30 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Gareth on June 04, 2023, 03:19:52 PM
Quote from: DB on June 04, 2023, 02:59:48 PM
Benzema leaving RM, could this mean Kane moving there?

Deeney is free

He's nailed on coming to B6.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john2710 on June 04, 2023, 07:29:59 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PeterWithe on June 04, 2023, 08:34:00 AM
The Guendozi stuff seems to have gone very quiet, there must have been something in that in January given the noise from his side?

It's possible that the performances of McGinn, Luiz, Ramsey & Kamara have been enough to show that maybe this area is not the priority it might have been. 

On the other hand, Buendia, Bailey & to a lesser extent Cash have shown we need first choice replacements. Alongside some competition for Watkins. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 04, 2023, 08:20:04 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: john2710 on June 04, 2023, 07:29:59 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on June 04, 2023, 08:34:00 AM
The Guendozi stuff seems to have gone very quiet, there must have been something in that in January given the noise from his side?

It's possible that the performances of McGinn, Luiz, Ramsey & Kamara have been enough to show that maybe this area is not the priority it might have been. 

On the other hand, Buendia, Bailey & to a lesser extent Cash have shown we need first choice replacements. Alongside some competition for Watkins. 


Quote from: john2710 on June 04, 2023, 07:29:59 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on June 04, 2023, 08:34:00 AM
The Guendozi stuff seems to have gone very quiet, there must have been something in that in January given the noise from his side?

It's possible that the performances of McGinn, Luiz, Ramsey & Kamara have been enough to show that maybe this area is not the priority it might have been. 

On the other hand, Buendia, Bailey & to a lesser extent Cash have shown we need first choice replacements. Alongside some competition for Watkins. 

complete agree .

upgarde Buendia , watkins , Bailey and a new moreno RB . The way to go and keep them in the squad 

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on June 04, 2023, 08:29:08 PM
			

			

				Only 69 days left until the season kicks off  8)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on June 04, 2023, 09:46:17 PM
			

			

				Nico Williams was linked with a move to Villa in January.  His club have missed out on any European football as they finished 8th in Spain.  Osasuna got the Conference spot.  Hopefully, we are back in for him. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on June 04, 2023, 10:28:38 PM
			

			

				Gnonto was grand for his first 10 games but what exactly did he do in the run-in to help save Leeds? He's a young inconsistent talent but then so is Philogene.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on June 04, 2023, 10:30:53 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on June 04, 2023, 10:28:38 PM
Gnonto was grand for his first 10 games but what exactly did he do in the run-in to help save Leeds? He's a young inconsistent talent but then so is Philogene.

Didn't he spend quite a bit of time on the bench in the last few games?  Played well at Villa Park, although Ashley did a decent job on him.  Seemed to fall away after that. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on June 04, 2023, 10:56:08 PM
			

			

				Tielemans apparently down to 5/9 to join us in the betting. 

Which obviously doesn't mean anything, but seems odd given there's barely been a link to him. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on June 04, 2023, 11:12:33 PM
			

			

				Richard Hubbard probably lumped £50k on it, the mad fecker.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Hookeysmith on June 05, 2023, 08:59:16 AM
			

			

				On news now (I know I shouldnt) it says Spurs are looking at Watkins with the comment.

"Although spurs finished below villa they have a better squad and will be chasing trophies"

Well at least one less than us - delusional wankers. When they lose Kane they will be a mid table team at best 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: sid1964 on June 05, 2023, 09:04:38 AM
			

			

				If they lose both Kane and Loris they will have £140 million + to invest tin the transfer market, it will be interesting to see who they go for to replace those 2 players.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on June 05, 2023, 09:04:42 AM
			

			

				Is this the better squad that were 17 points ahead one third of the way through the season, yet still finished below us while we did the double over them?

 ;D
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VinnieChase84 on June 05, 2023, 09:05:40 AM
			

			

				Re Emi - talk today United will be giving De Gea a new deal and not spending big on a new keeper. Chelsea seem focussed on Onana. So not sure who else that leaves who could even remotely afford Emi............
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on June 05, 2023, 09:10:21 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on June 05, 2023, 09:05:40 AM
Re Emi - talk today United will be giving De Gea a new deal and not spending big on a new keeper. Chelsea seem focussed on Onana. So not sure who else that leaves who could even remotely afford Emi............

I think if he did want to go, he'd see himself as having better options than Man U in his future.

I really do think he will give us the next season to see how we do. If we go backwards, I reckon he could look elsewhere. But if we keep progressing I can see him wanting to stick with us and win something.

If someone comes in for him, I think it will be the same as it was with that one who doesn't wash and went to a tin-pot club. They'll ask him if he wants to stay or go, and if he does want to go, they'll go and milk the buyers for all they're worth or no deal.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 05, 2023, 09:17:41 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on June 05, 2023, 09:10:21 AM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on June 05, 2023, 09:05:40 AM
Re Emi - talk today United will be giving De Gea a new deal and not spending big on a new keeper. Chelsea seem focussed on Onana. So not sure who else that leaves who could even remotely afford Emi............

I think if he did want to go, he'd see himself as having better options than Man U in his future.

I really do think he will give us the next season to see how we do. If we go backwards, I reckon he could look elsewhere. But if we keep progressing I can see him wanting to stick with us and win something.

If someone comes in for him, I think it will be the same as it was with that one who doesn't wash and went to a tin-pot club. They'll ask him if he wants to stay or go, and if he does want to go, they'll go and milk the buyers for all they're worth or no deal.

Who is ‘the one who doesn’t wash’?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on June 05, 2023, 09:24:48 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on June 05, 2023, 09:10:21 AM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on June 05, 2023, 09:05:40 AM
Re Emi - talk today United will be giving De Gea a new deal and not spending big on a new keeper. Chelsea seem focussed on Onana. So not sure who else that leaves who could even remotely afford Emi............

I think if he did want to go, he'd see himself as having better options than Man U in his future.

I really do think he will give us the next season to see how we do. If we go backwards, I reckon he could look elsewhere. But if we keep progressing I can see him wanting to stick with us and win something.

If someone comes in for him, I think it will be the same as it was with that one who doesn't wash and went to a tin-pot club. They'll ask him if he wants to stay or go, and if he does want to go, they'll go and milk the buyers for all they're worth or no deal.
If you're talking about Jack, that's not what happened at all.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on June 05, 2023, 09:34:25 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on June 05, 2023, 09:24:48 AM
Quote from: Dogtanian on June 05, 2023, 09:10:21 AM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on June 05, 2023, 09:05:40 AM
Re Emi - talk today United will be giving De Gea a new deal and not spending big on a new keeper. Chelsea seem focussed on Onana. So not sure who else that leaves who could even remotely afford Emi............

I think if he did want to go, he'd see himself as having better options than Man U in his future.

I really do think he will give us the next season to see how we do. If we go backwards, I reckon he could look elsewhere. But if we keep progressing I can see him wanting to stick with us and win something.

If someone comes in for him, I think it will be the same as it was with that one who doesn't wash and went to a tin-pot club. They'll ask him if he wants to stay or go, and if he does want to go, they'll go and milk the buyers for all they're worth or no deal.
If you're talking about Jack, that's not what happened at all. 

Ah, now you mention it, I do remember the owners dragging him kicking and screaming into a van and rubbing their hands with glee!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on June 05, 2023, 09:41:27 AM
			

			

				They triggered a buy-out clause they shouldn't have known about but, somehow, shock, they did. At that point there's nothing the owners can do, it's contractual.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on June 05, 2023, 09:45:17 AM
			

			

				I really don't know what you can dispute about what I said.

Are you saying if he had wanted to stay, our owners would still have sold him?
Or that he didn't want to go?
Or that making them pay every penny of his £100m clause isn't getting everything we could for him?

We asked him if he wanted to stay or go. He said he wanted to go. We made them pay as much as we could!

It would be exactly the same with Martinez, release clause or not.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on June 05, 2023, 09:55:32 AM
			

			

				We didn't agree to sell him.  The point you're missing is without the release clause we wouldn't have sold him.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on June 05, 2023, 09:55:55 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: sid1964 on June 05, 2023, 09:04:38 AM
If they lose both Kane and Loris they will have £140 million + to invest tin the transfer market, it will be interesting to see who they go for to replace those 2 players.

Given his age, the amount they'd get as a transfer fee for Lloris would be a rounding error.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on June 05, 2023, 09:57:23 AM
			

			

				Apparently Tammy has done his ACL in the last match of the season poor lad 
So he’s not going anywhere soon


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on June 05, 2023, 09:57:54 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on June 05, 2023, 09:55:32 AM
We didn't agree to sell him.  The point you're missing is without the release clause we wouldn't have sold him.

This is it. They weren't 'milking' Man City - they were waiting until they had no choice.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on June 05, 2023, 09:58:56 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on June 05, 2023, 09:55:55 AM
Quote from: sid1964 on June 05, 2023, 09:04:38 AM
If they lose both Kane and Loris they will have £140 million + to invest tin the transfer market, it will be interesting to see who they go for to replace those 2 players.

Given his age, the amount they'd get as a transfer fee for Lloris would be a rounding error.
And the fact that he's completely lost all form and no top tier club in their right mind would pay for him.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on June 05, 2023, 10:00:41 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on June 05, 2023, 09:55:32 AM
We didn't agree to sell him.  The point you're missing is without the release clause we wouldn't have sold him.

Ahh, okay. You could have mentioned that in your reply!

We don't know they wouldn't have sold him at all without the release clause if he wanted to go.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on June 05, 2023, 10:01:27 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Monty on June 05, 2023, 09:57:54 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on June 05, 2023, 09:55:32 AM
We didn't agree to sell him.  The point you're missing is without the release clause we wouldn't have sold him.

This is it. They weren't 'milking' Man City - they were waiting until they had no choice.
I wonder what would have happened without the release clause, I reckon the little shit would have thrown his toys out the pram and demanded the move.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on June 05, 2023, 10:02:15 AM
			

			

				With Grealish, he wanted to go, and there was a £100m buyout clause which if met, meant we couldn't have stopped him, which is obviously what happened.

It would have been interesting if there wasn't a buyout clause. My strong suspicion is he'd still have gone, and for more or less the same money.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 05, 2023, 10:03:07 AM
			

			

				Well we definitely wont be buying Tammy Abraham - picked up an injury in the last game of the season.

Still being linked with Vlahovic, that could be a decent signing.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Axl Rose on June 05, 2023, 10:03:35 AM
			

			

				He just wanted trophies to share on his Instagram page. ****** 

If those trophies are ever taken away, I'll be so happy I might actually die.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 05, 2023, 10:04:19 AM
			

			

				Without the buy out clause I suspect he wouldn’t have signed his last contract at all. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on June 05, 2023, 10:06:13 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on June 05, 2023, 10:03:07 AM
Well we definitely wont be buying Tammy Abraham - picked up an injury in the last game of the season.

Still being linked with Vlahovic, that could be a decent signing.

Vlahovic will likely move this summer but can’t see it being to a club who doesn’t have champions league, likely a statement signing by the new owners at ManYoo if the Glazers make a decision
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on June 05, 2023, 10:06:41 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Axl Rose on June 05, 2023, 10:03:35 AM
He just wanted trophies to share on his Instagram page. ****** 

If those trophies are ever taken away, I'll be so happy I might actually die.

If there is any sort of god please let Man City lose the Champions League final, I think I'd combust from laughing so hard. Their sense of entitlement is off the charts at the moment and they're just expecting to turn up and take home the Champions League trophy Guardiola is so desperate for. I want to see sad faces on the lot of them, especially Guardiola and Grealish.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on June 05, 2023, 10:07:41 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on June 05, 2023, 09:58:56 AM
Quote from: Dave on June 05, 2023, 09:55:55 AM
Quote from: sid1964 on June 05, 2023, 09:04:38 AM
If they lose both Kane and Loris they will have £140 million + to invest tin the transfer market, it will be interesting to see who they go for to replace those 2 players.

Given his age, the amount they'd get as a transfer fee for Lloris would be a rounding error.
And the fact that he's completely lost all form and no top tier club in their right mind would pay for him.

Sure, but there are places that he could go that aren't "top tier clubs".

I fully expect a Kasper Schmeichel style "thanks for your service" and a rich team somewhere sunny bungs Spurs £2m.

If the above weren't there already, Lloris would be nailed on for Nice I reckon. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on June 05, 2023, 10:08:05 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 05, 2023, 10:04:19 AM
Without the buy out clause I suspect he wouldn’t have signed his last contract at all. 
True.  And signing it inflated his value for us.  Same for Delph.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on June 05, 2023, 10:09:18 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Axl Rose on June 05, 2023, 10:03:35 AM
He just wanted trophies to share on his Instagram page. ****** 

If those trophies are ever taken away, I'll be so happy I might actually die.

And we will be hailed as Caribou cup winners 2020 or 2021 (can’t remember) 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on June 05, 2023, 10:09:30 AM
			

			

				But more to the point that was being made, I think this summer at least the owners would probably say to Martinez, sorry but you're not going anywhere this season.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on June 05, 2023, 10:10:54 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on June 05, 2023, 10:06:41 AM
Quote from: Axl Rose on June 05, 2023, 10:03:35 AM
He just wanted trophies to share on his Instagram page. ****** 

If those trophies are ever taken away, I'll be so happy I might actually die.

If there is any sort of god please let Man City lose the Champions League final, I think I'd combust from laughing so hard. Their sense of entitlement is off the charts at the moment and they're just expecting to turn up and take home the Champions League trophy Guardiola is so desperate for. I want to see sad faces on the lot of them, especially Guardiola and Grealish.

Yeah it's time to get round the pentagram, slay the ritual sheep and summon the unquiet spirits of Helenio Herrera, Tarcisio Burgnich et al to help Inter nudge, barge, snip, dive, whinge, stab, and generally shithouse their way to a horrible 1-0. I'd cry with joy.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on June 05, 2023, 10:11:21 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 05, 2023, 10:04:19 AM
Without the buy out clause I suspect he wouldn’t have signed his last contract at all.

And also the fact that the buy-out was set at £100m gives a pretty big clue as to the specific transfer value the club put on him and would have been prepared to accept. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: aj2k77 on June 05, 2023, 10:12:09 AM
			

			

				I can't stand listening to gormless prick Grealish talk during interviews. He's what I imagine an AI would create if you asked it to make up a generic banter bot. Total twat.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on June 05, 2023, 10:12:13 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on June 05, 2023, 10:09:30 AM
But more to the point that was being made, I think this summer at least the owners would probably say to Martinez, sorry but you're not going anywhere this season.
I think it has been proved that if a player really wants to go, then he goes.
What you don’t want is shenanigans going on at the end of the window when you don’t have time to plan replacements and it can be unsettling for the squad.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 05, 2023, 10:14:40 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Monty on June 05, 2023, 10:10:54 AM
Quote from: Risso on June 05, 2023, 10:06:41 AM
Quote from: Axl Rose on June 05, 2023, 10:03:35 AM
He just wanted trophies to share on his Instagram page. ****** 

If those trophies are ever taken away, I'll be so happy I might actually die.

If there is any sort of god please let Man City lose the Champions League final, I think I'd combust from laughing so hard. Their sense of entitlement is off the charts at the moment and they're just expecting to turn up and take home the Champions League trophy Guardiola is so desperate for. I want to see sad faces on the lot of them, especially Guardiola and Grealish.

Yeah it's time to get round the pentagram, slay the ritual sheep and summon the unquiet spirits of Helenio Herrera, Tarcisio Burgnich et al to help Inter nudge, barge, snip, dive, whinge, stab, and generally shithouse their way to a horrible 1-0. I'd cry with joy.

Especially if Grealish gave away a penalty and then got sent off as well.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on June 05, 2023, 10:15:47 AM
			

			

				Actually Herrera is buried in the cemetery here in Venice. I'll go lay a black rose.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 05, 2023, 10:25:22 AM
			

			

				I don't give a toss this way or that about the Grealish element, but on account of Man City ruining football, I can not think of anything worse in that context than them winning the Champions League.

The way the football establishment just plays along with what is clear cheating over a period of years is vomit inducing.

115 charges that have taken years and years to levy, and which everyone knows will lead to absolutely nothing happening to them.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dave shelley on June 05, 2023, 10:30:12 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 05, 2023, 10:25:22 AM
I don't give a toss this way or that about the Grealish element, but on account of Man City ruining football, I can not think of anything worse in that context than them winning the Champions League.

The way the football establishment just plays along with what is clear cheating over a period of years is vomit inducing.

115 charges that have taken years and years to levy, and which everyone knows will lead to absolutely nothing happening to them.

I think it will peter out into a token 4/5 million quid fine which is just Guy Fawkes money to them and it will be business as usual lads.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on June 05, 2023, 10:33:06 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: dave shelley on June 05, 2023, 10:30:12 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 05, 2023, 10:25:22 AM
I don't give a toss this way or that about the Grealish element, but on account of Man City ruining football, I can not think of anything worse in that context than them winning the Champions League.

The way the football establishment just plays along with what is clear cheating over a period of years is vomit inducing.

115 charges that have taken years and years to levy, and which everyone knows will lead to absolutely nothing happening to them.

I think it will peter out into a token 4/5 million quid fine which is just Guy Fawkes money to them and it will be business as usual lads.

I believe that this is impossible - if they are found guilty then the minimum punishments are rather severe. Far more likely they'll be able to fudge it all off, at which point the sport is, as a competition, effectively dead.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: aev on June 05, 2023, 10:36:19 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 05, 2023, 10:25:22 AM
I don't give a toss this way or that about the Grealish element, but on account of Man City ruining football, I can not think of anything worse in that context than them winning the Champions League.

The way the football establishment just plays along with what is clear cheating over a period of years is vomit inducing.

115 charges that have taken years and years to levy, and which everyone knows will lead to absolutely nothing happening to them.

The Newcastle thing too. 

Shearer wrote some conflicted piece on the BBC when it went through, but it is as if "now that is out of the way" he simply moves on.

I am sure it isn't as simple as this, and I am not sure how we should be reminded, but basically excessive money has disrupted the playing field in a ridiculous way, and has taken some of the enjoyment and interest away from football, despite what the media try and tell me.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: frank black on June 05, 2023, 11:00:41 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on June 05, 2023, 10:09:30 AM
But more to the point that was being made, I think this summer at least the owners would probably say to Martinez, sorry but you're not going anywhere this season.

Definitely feels like one of those new contract moments (with the obligatory clause) I can’t see him moving this summer.

I am more concerned about Doug. Just praying we didn’t roll over and add a relatively low buy out. Perhaps that’s why we are being linked with Tielemans (praying I’m wrong)?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: rob_bridge on June 05, 2023, 11:13:29 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: frank black on June 05, 2023, 11:00:41 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on June 05, 2023, 10:09:30 AM
But more to the point that was being made, I think this summer at least the owners would probably say to Martinez, sorry but you're not going anywhere this season.

Definitely feels like one of those new contract moments (with the obligatory clause) I can’t see him moving this summer.

I am more concerned about Doug. Just praying we didn’t roll over and add a relatively low buy out. Perhaps that’s why we are being linked with Tielemans (praying I’m wrong)?

We have to do what Leicester did 17-21 (but not run out of rope by paying stupid wages or shorter contacts) - silly money clauses and try and replace with better.

It is bloody hard work mind and the Grelaish money wasn't well spent. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Nii Lamptey on June 05, 2023, 11:22:30 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: aev on June 05, 2023, 10:36:19 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 05, 2023, 10:25:22 AM
I don't give a toss this way or that about the Grealish element, but on account of Man City ruining football, I can not think of anything worse in that context than them winning the Champions League.

The way the football establishment just plays along with what is clear cheating over a period of years is vomit inducing.

115 charges that have taken years and years to levy, and which everyone knows will lead to absolutely nothing happening to them.

The Newcastle thing too. 

Shearer wrote some conflicted piece on the BBC when it went through, but it is as if "now that is out of the way" he simply moves on.

I am sure it isn't as simple as this, and I am not sure how we should be reminded, but basically excessive money has disrupted the playing field in a ridiculous way, and has taken some of the enjoyment and interest away from football, despite what the media try and tell me.

I'm just totally disinterested in anything Man City are involved it.... what's the point as it's no longer a competition? The second it looked like they were going to pip Arsenal to the title, I stopped following the run-in. Same with FA Cup final - ZERO interest at all - And with Man Utd as the opponents, it was a bit like asking which bollock you want to be kicked in!

As for the Champions League final, I'll watch it rooting for Inter, but the second it looks like it's going City's way, it will be turned off. Can't think of anything worse than that fake plastic team getting their cheating grubby mitts on that trophy. 

Hope they get destroyed by the charges against them, but they probably won't. Money talks.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on June 05, 2023, 11:30:51 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: dave shelley on June 05, 2023, 10:30:12 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 05, 2023, 10:25:22 AM
I don't give a toss this way or that about the Grealish element, but on account of Man City ruining football, I can not think of anything worse in that context than them winning the Champions League.

The way the football establishment just plays along with what is clear cheating over a period of years is vomit inducing.

115 charges that have taken years and years to levy, and which everyone knows will lead to absolutely nothing happening to them.

I think it will peter out into a token 4/5 million quid fine which is just Guy Fawkes money to them and it will be business as usual lads.
Even if they relegate them it will be a small bump in the road.  They'd be back in the top 4 in 2 seasons.

Pre Chelsea and Man City there was always rich clubs and the playing field was never really level, but even so there was still a decent mix of trophy winners and any club with a good manager and ambitious owner could have a good crack at it.  Now things are so skewed it's destroyed football as we know it.  And we've sleep walked into allowing another fox in the hen coop with Newcastle. 

And don't forget, these Jonny come lately bastards were all for drawing up the drawbridge and locking the rest of us out of it forever.

Man City are everything I hate about football.  And by allowing this financial doping for 10 seasons the PL has been entirely complicit. 

I guess there will be fans who would call this hypocritical, with our owners we've had just as much advantage over other clubs as City have had over us.  I do accept that.  But notwithstanding what Blues detectives will tell you, we've played the financial system with a pretty straight bat, not systematically destroying the game and competition as we know it.

People laugh at the Scottish PL - no club other than Celtic or Rangers has won the league in 38 years.  We've now pretty much allowed the same monopoly to happen in the PL.  And once Newcastle are up and running the chances are we'll have the same two horse race until another arab state is allowed in. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on June 05, 2023, 11:32:24 AM
			

			

				Grealish wanted to join Spurs and then Man United (twice I think). 

In the summer before he went, Man Utd wanted him and we got him to sign a big fat contract to keep him, to much fanfare. Little did we know that his agent had negotiated a £100m release clause. 

There had clearly been some long-term thinking from his agent. Double/treble his wages, cement his image/branding, agree that clause and then exercise it the following year. 

Our owners did well to make sure the clause was record setting but once the clause was agreed, it was a matter of time. But Grealish and his representatives showed long before he moved that he had no intention of staying long-term. 

And I agree about the money being spent poorly. Selling a player for £100m, especially a home-grown one, is understandable. Using that money poorly isn't. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Joe S on June 05, 2023, 11:36:17 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: john e on June 05, 2023, 09:57:23 AM
Apparently Tammy has done his ACL in the last match of the season poor lad 
So he’s not going anywhere soon

Looks painful, hopefully he recovers well. I think we can definately take him out of the discussion now.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1665498668693090304

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on June 05, 2023, 11:39:54 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 05, 2023, 10:25:22 AM
I don't give a toss this way or that about the Grealish element, but on account of Man City ruining football, I can not think of anything worse in that context than them winning the Champions League.

The way the football establishment just plays along with what is clear cheating over a period of years is vomit inducing.

115 charges that have taken years and years to levy, and which everyone knows will lead to absolutely nothing happening to them.

Yeah the idea that people acknowledge the charges and then say, “but you have to look at the quality on a footballing level” - no, because the quality of football doesn’t exist without the cheating. It is impossible to separate them, and the difference between then and other clubs they have cheated on a systemic level.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smithy on June 05, 2023, 11:41:25 AM
			

			

				We got a British record fee, the first £100m English player, and still people think we were robbed, or it was a bad deal?

I absolutely didn't want him to leave, because he meant more to Villa than just his performances on the pitch or money in the bank.  But leave he did. We didn't spend the £100m well at all, but at least we had it to spend.

I hated him leaving at the time, but I look at it now as another sliding doors moment, much like losing the play-off final to Fulham which felt like the end of the world at the time.  If he stays, Dean almost certainly keeps his job and maybe we muddle around in mid-table, maybe we improve and challenge for Europe. Maybe we even qualify for Europe, but maybe we don't.  However, we certainly wouldn't be sat her today with an elite manager and on the verge of something very special.  

It could all still go tits up, but I think in a few years time, we'll look back at the Grealish sale like we do the Fulham defeat, as an important milestone that felt terrible, but actually served the club well on the way to our eventual success.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on June 05, 2023, 11:41:44 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Joe S on June 05, 2023, 11:36:17 AM
Quote from: john e on June 05, 2023, 09:57:23 AM
Apparently Tammy has done his ACL in the last match of the season poor lad 
So he’s not going anywhere soon

Looks painful, hopefully he recovers well. I think we can definately take him out of the discussion now.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1665498668693090304

That's a shame.  I still had a sneaking suspicion he'd be back.  But that one's over now.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 05, 2023, 11:47:10 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: rob_bridge on June 05, 2023, 11:13:29 AM
We have to do what Leicester did 17-21 (but not run out of rope by paying stupid wages or shorter contacts) - silly money clauses and try and replace with better.

It is bloody hard work mind and the Grelaish money wasn't well spent. 

six months ago I'd agree but it is starting to look less wasted now we have better coaching. Buendia and Bailey have improved a lot, and we got our money back on Ings. We have had relatively low net spends last two windows now, so the real benefit of the Grealish money is still to come too.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on June 05, 2023, 11:53:48 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ChicagoLion on June 05, 2023, 10:12:13 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on June 05, 2023, 10:09:30 AM
But more to the point that was being made, I think this summer at least the owners would probably say to Martinez, sorry but you're not going anywhere this season.
I think it has been proved that if a player really wants to go, then he goes.
What you don’t want is shenanigans going on at the end of the window when you don’t have time to plan replacements and it can be unsettling for the squad.

... Exactly like when Grealish left then, despite there being a very clear release clause. Man City can take their time and piss about if they choose to because it's monopoly money to them and they can afford to spend £100m on a player who spends 18months sitting on the bench. The only way we could've stopped that going on for so long would've been to accept a lower offer, they knew he'd be joining and didn't give a fuck if they messed with us all summer.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on June 05, 2023, 11:57:53 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on June 05, 2023, 11:47:10 AM
Quote from: rob_bridge on June 05, 2023, 11:13:29 AM
We have to do what Leicester did 17-21 (but not run out of rope by paying stupid wages or shorter contacts) - silly money clauses and try and replace with better.

It is bloody hard work mind and the Grelaish money wasn't well spent. 

six months ago I'd agree but it is starting to look less wasted now we have better coaching. Buendia and Bailey have improved a lot, and we got our money back on Ings. We have had relatively low net spends last two windows now, so the real benefit of the Grealish money is still to come too.

Don't agree with that mate. Buendia has been OK in patches, but is still too wasteful with the ball, and hasn't nailed down a spot of his own really. Bailey has mostly been ineffective, especially in away games. Considering the two of them cost around over £60m, I think you'd be hard pushed to say we've had value from them. And we didn't get our money back on Ings, we got about half.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on June 05, 2023, 12:21:54 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on June 05, 2023, 11:32:24 AM
Grealish wanted to join Spurs and then Man United (twice I think). 

In the summer before he went, Man Utd wanted him and we got him to sign a big fat contract to keep him, to much fanfare. Little did we know that his agent had negotiated a £100m release clause. 

There had clearly been some long-term thinking from his agent. Double/treble his wages, cement his image/branding, agree that clause and then exercise it the following year. 

Our owners did well to make sure the clause was record setting but once the clause was agreed, it was a matter of time. But Grealish and his representatives showed long before he moved that he had no intention of staying long-term. 

And I agree about the money being spent poorly. Selling a player for £100m, especially a home-grown one, is understandable. Using that money poorly isn't.

This. Grealish & his people manufactured a move away & were trying to do so for years before he forced the move. 

Our people said no every step of the way & I imagine they never thought anybody would shell out £100 mil for a player whose goals & assist numbers were average at best. 

Quote from: Smithy on June 05, 2023, 11:41:25 AM
We got a British record fee, the first £100m English player, and still people think we were robbed, or it was a bad deal?

I absolutely didn't want him to leave, because he meant more to Villa than just his performances on the pitch or money in the bank.  But leave he did. We didn't spend the £100m well at all, but at least we had it to spend.

I hated him leaving at the time, but I look at it now as another sliding doors moment, much like losing the play-off final to Fulham which felt like the end of the world at the time.  If he stays, Dean almost certainly keeps his job and maybe we muddle around in mid-table, maybe we improve and challenge for Europe. Maybe we even qualify for Europe, but maybe we don't.  However, we certainly wouldn't be sat her today with an elite manager and on the verge of something very special.  

It could all still go tits up, but I think in a few years time, we'll look back at the Grealish sale like we do the Fulham defeat, as an important milestone that felt terrible, but actually served the club well on the way to our eventual success.

Despite all of his quality, we are definitely a stronger team than we were back when he played for us. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Chris Smith on June 05, 2023, 12:31:49 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on June 05, 2023, 11:57:53 AM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on June 05, 2023, 11:47:10 AM
Quote from: rob_bridge on June 05, 2023, 11:13:29 AM
We have to do what Leicester did 17-21 (but not run out of rope by paying stupid wages or shorter contacts) - silly money clauses and try and replace with better.

It is bloody hard work mind and the Grelaish money wasn't well spent. 

six months ago I'd agree but it is starting to look less wasted now we have better coaching. Buendia and Bailey have improved a lot, and we got our money back on Ings. We have had relatively low net spends last two windows now, so the real benefit of the Grealish money is still to come too.

Don't agree with that mate. Buendia has been OK in patches, but is still too wasteful with the ball, and hasn't nailed down a spot of his own really. Bailey has mostly been ineffective, especially in away games. Considering the two of them cost around over £60m, I think you'd be hard pushed to say we've had value from them. And we didn't get our money back on Ings, we got about half.

Yet they’ve both been regulars in a team that went from relegation candidates to European qualification over the course of a few months. I’d say they have shown that they are decent players when coached correctly and expect them to be key members of the squad next season. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on June 05, 2023, 12:53:19 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Chris Smith on June 05, 2023, 12:31:49 PM
Quote from: Risso on June 05, 2023, 11:57:53 AM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on June 05, 2023, 11:47:10 AM
Quote from: rob_bridge on June 05, 2023, 11:13:29 AM
We have to do what Leicester did 17-21 (but not run out of rope by paying stupid wages or shorter contacts) - silly money clauses and try and replace with better.

It is bloody hard work mind and the Grelaish money wasn't well spent. 

six months ago I'd agree but it is starting to look less wasted now we have better coaching. Buendia and Bailey have improved a lot, and we got our money back on Ings. We have had relatively low net spends last two windows now, so the real benefit of the Grealish money is still to come too.

Don't agree with that mate. Buendia has been OK in patches, but is still too wasteful with the ball, and hasn't nailed down a spot of his own really. Bailey has mostly been ineffective, especially in away games. Considering the two of them cost around over £60m, I think you'd be hard pushed to say we've had value from them. And we didn't get our money back on Ings, we got about half.

Yet they’ve both been regulars in a team that went from relegation candidates to European qualification over the course of a few months. I’d say they have shown that they are decent players when coached correctly and expect them to be key members of the squad next season. 

I watched a little compilation of our wins under Emery up to the Spurs game I think, and it surprised me how many times Bailey was involved in key moments
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on June 05, 2023, 01:03:21 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on June 05, 2023, 12:53:19 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on June 05, 2023, 12:31:49 PM
Quote from: Risso on June 05, 2023, 11:57:53 AM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on June 05, 2023, 11:47:10 AM
Quote from: rob_bridge on June 05, 2023, 11:13:29 AM
We have to do what Leicester did 17-21 (but not run out of rope by paying stupid wages or shorter contacts) - silly money clauses and try and replace with better.

It is bloody hard work mind and the Grelaish money wasn't well spent. 

six months ago I'd agree but it is starting to look less wasted now we have better coaching. Buendia and Bailey have improved a lot, and we got our money back on Ings. We have had relatively low net spends last two windows now, so the real benefit of the Grealish money is still to come too.

Don't agree with that mate. Buendia has been OK in patches, but is still too wasteful with the ball, and hasn't nailed down a spot of his own really. Bailey has mostly been ineffective, especially in away games. Considering the two of them cost around over £60m, I think you'd be hard pushed to say we've had value from them. And we didn't get our money back on Ings, we got about half.

Yet they’ve both been regulars in a team that went from relegation candidates to European qualification over the course of a few months. I’d say they have shown that they are decent players when coached correctly and expect them to be key members of the squad next season. 

I watched a little compilation of our wins under Emery up to the Spurs game I think, and it surprised me how many times Bailey was involved in key moments


I still wouldn’t be surprised if he wasn’t here at the start of next season
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 05, 2023, 01:07:00 PM
			

			

				Various dodgy media outlets linking Spurs with Watkins. Can't see us selling, or him wanting to go there anyway.

Also a few links to 'Bono' the Algerian goalie that looked quite good at the world cup. Presumably as a backup option if Emi goes (don't think he will this season). Be a bloody good backup if he replaced Olsen though.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on June 05, 2023, 01:07:05 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Chris Smith on June 05, 2023, 12:31:49 PM
Quote from: Risso on June 05, 2023, 11:57:53 AM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on June 05, 2023, 11:47:10 AM
Quote from: rob_bridge on June 05, 2023, 11:13:29 AM
We have to do what Leicester did 17-21 (but not run out of rope by paying stupid wages or shorter contacts) - silly money clauses and try and replace with better.

It is bloody hard work mind and the Grelaish money wasn't well spent. 

six months ago I'd agree but it is starting to look less wasted now we have better coaching. Buendia and Bailey have improved a lot, and we got our money back on Ings. We have had relatively low net spends last two windows now, so the real benefit of the Grealish money is still to come too.

Don't agree with that mate. Buendia has been OK in patches, but is still too wasteful with the ball, and hasn't nailed down a spot of his own really. Bailey has mostly been ineffective, especially in away games. Considering the two of them cost around over £60m, I think you'd be hard pushed to say we've had value from them. And we didn't get our money back on Ings, we got about half.

Yet they’ve both been regulars in a team that went from relegation candidates to European qualification over the course of a few months. I’d say they have shown that they are decent players when coached correctly and expect them to be key members of the squad next season.

I reckon a big part of it is that they are two players who were supposed to most do what Grealish did for us. 

And after Grealish's last few seasons with us, anyone was going to look pretty patchy in comparison. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 05, 2023, 01:19:48 PM
			

			

				£100m for three players isn’t that much nowadays, and on the plus side the team is littered with excellent value for money. I’ve also heard the reported fee we paid for Ings was exaggerated, so maybe we did get most of it back. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on June 05, 2023, 01:22:51 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on June 05, 2023, 01:07:00 PM
Various dodgy media outlets linking Spurs with Watkins. Can't see us selling, or him wanting to go there anyway.

Also a few links to 'Bono' the Algerian goalie that looked quite good at the world cup. Presumably as a backup option if Emi goes (don't think he will this season). Be a bloody good backup if he replaced Olsen though.

I met Watkins cousin in the local club a few weeks ago, he was Arsenal and said all the family were including Ollie
so I know it doesn’t always translate anymore but maybe Spurs won’t have the same pull as it might have had 

Plus the fact they’re absolute gash 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: rob_bridge on June 05, 2023, 01:34:15 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: john e on June 05, 2023, 01:22:51 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on June 05, 2023, 01:07:00 PM
Various dodgy media outlets linking Spurs with Watkins. Can't see us selling, or him wanting to go there anyway.

Also a few links to 'Bono' the Algerian goalie that looked quite good at the world cup. Presumably as a backup option if Emi goes (don't think he will this season). Be a bloody good backup if he replaced Olsen though.

I met Watkins cousin in the local club a few weeks ago, he was Arsenal and said all the family were including Ollie
so I know it doesn’t always translate anymore but maybe Spurs won’t have the same pull as it might have had 

Plus the fact they’re absolute gash

2 years ago I could have seen it. Not now. They are a shambles on the pitch.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Mister E on June 05, 2023, 01:38:57 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on June 05, 2023, 11:57:53 AM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on June 05, 2023, 11:47:10 AM
Quote from: rob_bridge on June 05, 2023, 11:13:29 AM
We have to do what Leicester did 17-21 (but not run out of rope by paying stupid wages or shorter contacts) - silly money clauses and try and replace with better.
It is bloody hard work mind and the Grelaish money wasn't well spent. 

six months ago I'd agree but it is starting to look less wasted now we have better coaching. Buendia and Bailey have improved a lot, and we got our money back on Ings. We have had relatively low net spends last two windows now, so the real benefit of the Grealish money is still to come too.
Don't agree with that mate. Buendia has been OK in patches, but is still too wasteful with the ball, and hasn't nailed down a spot of his own really. Bailey has mostly been ineffective, especially in away games. Considering the two of them cost around over £60m, I think you'd be hard pushed to say we've had value from them. And we didn't get our money back on Ings, we got about half.
Agreed, Risso. I'm willing Buendia to be better but really hasn't happened (Bailey was a mistake pretty much from the outset in my view).
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 05, 2023, 01:44:10 PM
			

			

				Sporting insisting on £69m for Pedro Gonçalves who I see as a Buendia replacement/competition yet Liverpool have signed MacAllister from Brighton for £50m.

As for Watkins to Spurs, I've just read he's valued at €32m, I think they're confusing him with Patrick Bamford.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 05, 2023, 01:46:47 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: rob_bridge on June 05, 2023, 01:34:15 PM
Quote from: john e on June 05, 2023, 01:22:51 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on June 05, 2023, 01:07:00 PM
Various dodgy media outlets linking Spurs with Watkins. Can't see us selling, or him wanting to go there anyway.

Also a few links to 'Bono' the Algerian goalie that looked quite good at the world cup. Presumably as a backup option if Emi goes (don't think he will this season). Be a bloody good backup if he replaced Olsen though.

I met Watkins cousin in the local club a few weeks ago, he was Arsenal and said all the family were including Ollie
so I know it doesn’t always translate anymore but maybe Spurs won’t have the same pull as it might have had 

Plus the fact they’re absolute gash

2 years ago I could have seen it. Not now. They are a shambles on the pitch.

And off the pitch. About to appoint their third choice manager (again) and no director of football in place to handle transfers. Kane running hi contract down, no European football and a bloated squad. Fast turning into the new Everton.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: rob_bridge on June 05, 2023, 01:48:56 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on June 05, 2023, 01:46:47 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on June 05, 2023, 01:34:15 PM
Quote from: john e on June 05, 2023, 01:22:51 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on June 05, 2023, 01:07:00 PM
Various dodgy media outlets linking Spurs with Watkins. Can't see us selling, or him wanting to go there anyway.

Also a few links to 'Bono' the Algerian goalie that looked quite good at the world cup. Presumably as a backup option if Emi goes (don't think he will this season). Be a bloody good backup if he replaced Olsen though.

I met Watkins cousin in the local club a few weeks ago, he was Arsenal and said all the family were including Ollie
so I know it doesn’t always translate anymore but maybe Spurs won’t have the same pull as it might have had 

Plus the fact they’re absolute gash

2 years ago I could have seen it. Not now. They are a shambles on the pitch.

And off the pitch. About to appoint their third choice manager (again) and no director of football in place to handle transfers. Kane running hi contract down, no European football and a bloated squad. Fast turning into the new Everton.

Would be amusing if they followed Everton's trajectory - albeit slightly worse.

I assume their stadium funding was reliant on Champions League football more often than not. Looks bad with the rise of Newcastle, Arsenal and ManU rejuvenated to a bigger extent and Cit-eh with Gazillons.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: rob_bridge on June 05, 2023, 01:56:24 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on June 05, 2023, 01:44:10 PM
Sporting insisting on £69m for Pedro Gonçalves who I see as a Buendia replacement/competition yet Liverpool have signed MacAllister from Brighton for £50m.

As for Watkins to Spurs, I've just read he's valued at €32m, I think they're confusing him with Patrick Bamford.

I think that is what we paid for him. Clearly they have divided the realistic value by 2. Probably what has confused them.

MacAllister has a release clause so does Goncalves hence the transfer values
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on June 05, 2023, 01:56:59 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on June 05, 2023, 01:46:47 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on June 05, 2023, 01:34:15 PM
Quote from: john e on June 05, 2023, 01:22:51 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on June 05, 2023, 01:07:00 PM
Various dodgy media outlets linking Spurs with Watkins. Can't see us selling, or him wanting to go there anyway.

Also a few links to 'Bono' the Algerian goalie that looked quite good at the world cup. Presumably as a backup option if Emi goes (don't think he will this season). Be a bloody good backup if he replaced Olsen though.

I met Watkins cousin in the local club a few weeks ago, he was Arsenal and said all the family were including Ollie
so I know it doesn’t always translate anymore but maybe Spurs won’t have the same pull as it might have had 

Plus the fact they’re absolute gash

2 years ago I could have seen it. Not now. They are a shambles on the pitch.

And off the pitch. About to appoint their third choice manager (again) and no director of football in place to handle transfers. Kane running hi contract down, no European football and a bloated squad. Fast turning into the new Everton.

I hope Kane stays another year then leaves on a Bosman. It means they will be a bit stronger for a year but then it will go to pot....
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeonW on June 05, 2023, 02:04:38 PM
			

			

				On Manchester City, they may always have got the place they’re currently at. But the big issue is that they’ve effectively cheated to by pass all the steps required on the way to doing so, which could well have taken them alot longer to do so. With FFP coming in not long after their new owners, it could also have led to them tripping themselves up along the way if they got their recruitment wrong. Now they’re in a position where they can spend a £100m on a player and effectively bench him for close to two seasons to get him up to speed with Guardiola’s automaton football. There is no other club anywhere in the world at present that could afford to do that which just highlights how wrong it is.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 05, 2023, 02:12:49 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on June 04, 2023, 02:52:54 PM
Quote from: OCD on June 04, 2023, 01:35:13 PM
They could  have bought Famalicão's share by now. 

I'm sure they've tried but the tough part of negotiating a deal is having an unwilling seller.

UPDATE: Sporting are reported to have a deal in place to buy 40% of his rights leaving Famalicão with just 10%.

Any chance you can give me the numbers for tomorrows Euro-Millions? ;)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on June 05, 2023, 02:21:31 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on June 05, 2023, 02:12:49 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on June 04, 2023, 02:52:54 PM
Quote from: OCD on June 04, 2023, 01:35:13 PM
They could  have bought Famalicão's share by now. 

I'm sure they've tried but the tough part of negotiating a deal is having an unwilling seller.

UPDATE: Sporting are reported to have a deal in place to buy 40% of his rights leaving Famalicão with just 10%.

Any chance you can give me the numbers for tomorrows Euro-Millions? ;)

That's a lot easier to predict than the Euro Millions! Hopefully we're able to negotiate a more reasonable price for Gonçalves. I read comments from Bruno Fernandes saying he hopes Man Utd buy him because he thinks he will become world class. If we can sign him and he does, that would be some signing. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 05, 2023, 03:01:11 PM
			

			

				Pau Torres being linked again today in the Evening Mail (quoting a Spanish source). Would be a good signing albeit in a low priority position given Mings and Konsa's recent form and Carlos to come back in. 

Also again being linked to Ferran Torres.

Both of those would be statement signings, as would Goncalves. If we get all three plus a right back I would very happy with that plus a couple of free transfers to bolster the squad.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on June 05, 2023, 03:44:48 PM
			

			

				Christ there's almost three more months of this shit.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on June 05, 2023, 04:28:27 PM
			

			

				All the talk I'm seeing about seems to be about Tielemens, Gonçalves and Pau Torres. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smithy on June 05, 2023, 04:41:54 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on June 05, 2023, 01:56:59 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on June 05, 2023, 01:46:47 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on June 05, 2023, 01:34:15 PM
Quote from: john e on June 05, 2023, 01:22:51 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on June 05, 2023, 01:07:00 PM
Various dodgy media outlets linking Spurs with Watkins. Can't see us selling, or him wanting to go there anyway.

Also a few links to 'Bono' the Algerian goalie that looked quite good at the world cup. Presumably as a backup option if Emi goes (don't think he will this season). Be a bloody good backup if he replaced Olsen though.

I met Watkins cousin in the local club a few weeks ago, he was Arsenal and said all the family were including Ollie
so I know it doesn’t always translate anymore but maybe Spurs won’t have the same pull as it might have had 

Plus the fact they’re absolute gash

2 years ago I could have seen it. Not now. They are a shambles on the pitch.

And off the pitch. About to appoint their third choice manager (again) and no director of football in place to handle transfers. Kane running hi contract down, no European football and a bloated squad. Fast turning into the new Everton.

I hope Kane stays another year then leaves on a Bosman. It means they will be a bit stronger for a year but then it will go to pot....

I'd be surprised if Levy let that happen, funny as it would be.  I think he'll be sold this summer, but it will be interesting to see at what value, given it's 12-months until he's available for free.  I'd be surprised if it was much over £40m.  But £40m now, with a year of no Europe ahead, vs nothing in 12 months.  I suspect Levy will that the money...   If this Aussie chap takes over, I'll bet it's with a very limited budget, and his remit is European qualification, then you get some money.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on June 05, 2023, 04:45:11 PM
			

			

				Sorry - meant to edit my post, not quote myself! 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smithy on June 05, 2023, 04:48:44 PM
			

			

				Goncalves left Wolves after two years in the UK, for free, as a 21-year-old citing home sickness - it would be a hell of a gamble meeting his release clause with doubts over his ability to settle like that?  Some young players don't make it here as youngsters, and return as superstars capable of playing at the top level (Salah and De Bruyne the obvious ones), but they are the exception?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 05, 2023, 04:49:48 PM
			

			

				
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Various dodgy media outlets linking Spurs with Watkins. Can't see us selling, or him wanting to go there anyway.

Also a few links to 'Bono' the Algerian goalie that looked quite good at the world cup. Presumably as a backup option if Emi goes (don't think he will this season). Be a bloody good backup if he replaced Olsen though.

I met Watkins cousin in the local club a few weeks ago, he was Arsenal and said all the family were including Ollie
so I know it doesn’t always translate anymore but maybe Spurs won’t have the same pull as it might have had 

Plus the fact they’re absolute gash

2 years ago I could have seen it. Not now. They are a shambles on the pitch.

And off the pitch. About to appoint their third choice manager (again) and no director of football in place to handle transfers. Kane running hi contract down, no European football and a bloated squad. Fast turning into the new Everton.

I hope Kane stays another year then leaves on a Bosman. It means they will be a bit stronger for a year but then it will go to pot....

I'd be surprised if Levy let that happen, funny as it would be.  I think he'll be sold this summer, but it will be interesting to see at what value, given it's 12-months until he's available for free.  I'd be surprised if it was much over £40m.  But £40m now, with a year of no Europe ahead, vs nothing in 12 months.  I suspect Levy will that the money...   If this Aussie chap takes over, I'll bet it's with a very limited budget, and his remit is European qualification, then you get some money.

Not a chance he goes for as low as 40m, even with only one year on his contract. Levy would think it would be better off keeping him and trying to get CL football at that price. If it's less than 70 I'll be surprised.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on June 05, 2023, 04:50:47 PM
			

			

				Kane will go to Madrid now Benzama is leaving
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on June 05, 2023, 04:56:45 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smithy on June 05, 2023, 04:41:54 PM
I'd be surprised if Levy let that happen, funny as it would be.  I think he'll be sold this summer, but it will be interesting to see at what value, given it's 12-months until he's available for free.  I'd be surprised if it was much over £40m.  But £40m now, with a year of no Europe ahead, vs nothing in 12 months.  I suspect Levy will that the money...   If this Aussie chap takes over, I'll bet it's with a very limited budget, and his remit is European qualification, then you get some money.

I think he's looking at a few more moving parts than that. Given his suitors are (realistically) Man Utd, Real and Bayern, and all of them need a striker of Kane's style pretty urgently. 

So I reckon Levy's plan is to refuse to sell, bank on them all needing to buy one this summer anyway and then trying to convince Kane that he should just sign a new contract as the places he'd go have since sorted out the position he'd be playing. 

Probably won't work, but it's worth a shot.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villa in Denmark on June 05, 2023, 05:00:46 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on June 05, 2023, 04:50:47 PM
Kane will go to Madrid now Benzama is leaving
Kane won't go anywhere that doesn't speak English. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smithy on June 05, 2023, 05:03:27 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on June 05, 2023, 04:56:45 PM
Quote from: Smithy on June 05, 2023, 04:41:54 PM
I'd be surprised if Levy let that happen, funny as it would be.  I think he'll be sold this summer, but it will be interesting to see at what value, given it's 12-months until he's available for free.  I'd be surprised if it was much over £40m.  But £40m now, with a year of no Europe ahead, vs nothing in 12 months.  I suspect Levy will that the money...   If this Aussie chap takes over, I'll bet it's with a very limited budget, and his remit is European qualification, then you get some money.

I think he's looking at a few more moving parts than that. Given his suitors are (realistically) Man Utd, Real and Bayern, and all of them need a striker of Kane's style pretty urgently. 

So I reckon Levy's plan is to refuse to sell, bank on them all needing to buy one this summer anyway and then trying to convince Kane that he should just sign a new contract as the places he'd go have since sorted out the position he'd be playing. 

Probably won't work, but it's worth a shot.

I think Levy blew his "just sign a new contract and all will be well in the world" argument last time round when he subsequently made it impossible for him to leave for City two years ago.  I suspect the chances of him signing a new contract with Levy are somewhere between slim and none.  He's got three, maybe years left at the very top of his game (maybe a bit less), and he's probably the best English player without any silverware in a generation.  He's leaving, this summer for a fee, or next one for nothing.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on June 05, 2023, 05:06:39 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smithy on June 05, 2023, 05:03:27 PM
Quote from: Dave on June 05, 2023, 04:56:45 PM
Quote from: Smithy on June 05, 2023, 04:41:54 PM
I'd be surprised if Levy let that happen, funny as it would be.  I think he'll be sold this summer, but it will be interesting to see at what value, given it's 12-months until he's available for free.  I'd be surprised if it was much over £40m.  But £40m now, with a year of no Europe ahead, vs nothing in 12 months.  I suspect Levy will that the money...   If this Aussie chap takes over, I'll bet it's with a very limited budget, and his remit is European qualification, then you get some money.

I think he's looking at a few more moving parts than that. Given his suitors are (realistically) Man Utd, Real and Bayern, and all of them need a striker of Kane's style pretty urgently. 

So I reckon Levy's plan is to refuse to sell, bank on them all needing to buy one this summer anyway and then trying to convince Kane that he should just sign a new contract as the places he'd go have since sorted out the position he'd be playing. 

Probably won't work, but it's worth a shot.

I think Levy blew his "just sign a new contract and all will be well in the world" argument last time round when he subsequently made it impossible for him to leave for City two years ago.  I suspect the chances of him signing a new contract with Levy are somewhere between slim and none.  He's got three, maybe years left at the very top of his game (maybe a bit less), and he's probably the best English player without any silverware in a generation.  He's leaving, this summer for a fee, or next one for nothing.

I don't disagree. But I expect him to still try, it's why I think it's probably more likely that it's the second option you give there, rather than the "leaving for money this summer" of the original post.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on June 05, 2023, 05:19:22 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smithy on June 05, 2023, 05:03:27 PM
I think Levy blew his "just sign a new contract and all will be well in the world" argument last time round when he subsequently made it impossible for him to leave for City two years ago.  I suspect the chances of him signing a new contract with Levy are somewhere between slim and none.  He's got three, maybe years left at the very top of his game (maybe a bit less), and he's probably the best English player without any silverware in a generation.  He's leaving, this summer for a fee, or next one for nothing.

He has never been blessed with pace, so he may have more years than that. Similar to Teddy Sheringham, 

Although his ankles might be a problem later on down the line.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on June 05, 2023, 05:24:06 PM
			

			

				Bayern are meant to be in for Vlahović. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on June 05, 2023, 05:37:54 PM
			

			

				I reckon Levy will get his hundred million or close to it for Harry Kane
He’s one of the very few world-class out and out strikers in world football left

Haaland has scored 36 goals in one of the strongest teams we’ve ever seen in the Premier League
Kane has got 30 for one of the shitest Spurs teams we’ve seen for years, it’s not too many behind playing alongside a bunch of twats

If Kane had gone to Man City, he would be right up there with Haalands goalscoring record maybe he would have a bettered it, he’s also a more useful player of football as well

Someone will pay big money for that sort of goalscoring numbers 


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on June 05, 2023, 05:41:24 PM
			

			

				I think he'll see this year out at Spurs then go for free next summer, on a ridiculous salary.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: rob_bridge on June 05, 2023, 05:48:34 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: john e on June 05, 2023, 05:37:54 PM
I reckon Levy will get his hundred million or close to it for Harry Kane
He’s one of the very few world-class out and out strikers in world football left

Haaland has scored 36 goals in one of the strongest teams we’ve ever seen in the Premier League
Kane has got 30 for one of the shitest Spurs teams we’ve seen for years, it’s not too many behind playing alongside a bunch of twats

If Kane had gone to Man City, he would be right up there with Haalands goalscoring record maybe he would have a bettered it, he’s also a more useful player of football as well

Someone will pay big money for that sort of goalscoring numbers

I think Kane is a brilliant player - top notch. Only a few could afford the 60m+ and wages would be 350-400k a week
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on June 05, 2023, 06:11:28 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on June 05, 2023, 05:41:24 PM
I think he'll see this year out at Spurs then go for free next summer, on a ridiculous salary.

I hope that this is the case because Tottenham won’t have money to spend in the transfer market. Wall stable, make noises that they don’t want to sell Kane, he’s probably the best way they’ll make any money this summer.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 05, 2023, 06:20:31 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on June 05, 2023, 05:41:24 PM
I think he'll see this year out at Spurs then go for free next summer, on a ridiculous salary.

Yeah, I'd be amazed if anyone in England stumped up the money necessary and I don't see him moving abroad with the record in sight.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: danno on June 05, 2023, 06:32:41 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on June 05, 2023, 05:00:46 PM
Quote from: LeeB on June 05, 2023, 04:50:47 PM
Kane will go to Madrid now Benzama is leaving
Kane won't go anywhere that doesn't speak English.

Why? He barely speaks it himself
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on June 05, 2023, 06:48:50 PM
			

			

				Without Kane they would have been in the bottom half of the table.
It’s a hell of a decision to cash out now and hope the new manager can somehow get a tune out of that squad and the £75 to £90 million I expect him to go for.
I don’t see him signing a new contract so Levi will kick this problem into the next season is my guess unless he gets a crazy offer.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Yeltzer on June 05, 2023, 07:15:30 PM
			

			

				Gregg Evans at The Athletic that we’ve made a move for Tielemans and that Unai wants a deal done “quickly”. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on June 05, 2023, 07:16:33 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Yeltzer on June 05, 2023, 07:15:30 PM
Gregg Evans at The Athletic that we’ve made a move for Tielemans and that Unai wants a deal done “quickly”.

The Leicester fans seem to think he’s coming.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ian. on June 05, 2023, 07:28:56 PM
			

			

				He looked brilliant for a couple of seasons. I’m not sure what went wrong with him last season? However you only have to look at the form of some of our own players under the wrong manager. McGinn in particular went to shit for some time and many of us were gutted to say he didn’t look good enough anymore, now look at him under Emery.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 05, 2023, 07:33:25 PM
			

			

				Tielemans looks to me like a perfect example of the sort of player Emery improves massively.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: four fornicholl on June 05, 2023, 07:34:20 PM
			

			

				Kang in Lee anyone?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on June 05, 2023, 07:35:02 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: four fornicholl on June 05, 2023, 07:34:20 PM
Kang in Lee anyone?

No thank you, I'm taken
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on June 05, 2023, 07:38:19 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 05, 2023, 07:33:25 PM
Tielemans looks to me like a perfect example of the sort of player Emery improves massively.

Yep I think he’d be a very good signing, particularly on a free.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ian. on June 05, 2023, 07:44:20 PM
			

			

				I see he’s only 26, I thought he was older than that.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on June 05, 2023, 07:49:13 PM
			

			

				Sky saying Chelsea unlikely to go for Ugarte.  We have been linked.  Liverpool after other targets and don't seem to have lots of money.  Hopefully, we are interested. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on June 05, 2023, 07:51:06 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on June 05, 2023, 07:49:13 PM
Sky saying Chelsea unlikely to go for Ugarte.  We have been linked.  Liverpool after other targets and don't seem to have lots of money.  Hopefully, we are interested. 

What position does he play?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on June 05, 2023, 07:51:57 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 05, 2023, 07:38:19 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 05, 2023, 07:33:25 PM
Tielemans looks to me like a perfect example of the sort of player Emery improves massively.

Yep I think he’d be a very good signing, particularly on a free.

He seems to go up a level, then decides to down tools when he thinks he's outgrown his club to try and force a move away.

Happened at Monaco to get his Leicester move, happening again.

But it's probably going to be much easier to feel you've outgrown Leicester or Monaco than Villa. 

At his best, he's as good as our other midfielders. At his worst he's keeping them focused due to the competition. And I can't imagine Emery will allow him to be the Tielemans of this season. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 05, 2023, 07:55:32 PM
			

			

				I think we’ll struggle to improve on any of our midfield four unless we get into the CL. 3 of them have the potential to be world class and McGinn’s looking better every game. We just need numbers and options at around the same level. Tielemens on a free looks ideal.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: rob_bridge on June 05, 2023, 07:59:45 PM
			

			

				Tielmans could be another Barkley based on last 18 months.

That said he could have a great season, star at Euros and be worth 80m based on what he did before.

Its whether we take the punt. Totally sorr midfield if it came off mind. 
And if he is cack we sell him for 15m next season.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on June 05, 2023, 08:07:28 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 05, 2023, 07:55:32 PM
I think we’ll struggle to improve on any of our midfield four unless we get into the CL

And even then, this summer or next you'd think that Champions League clubs will be looking at the likes of Dougie and Kamara to upgrade their midfield if they carry on as they are, so it's hard to see how we buy improvements for them given they themselves would be improvements for clubs higher up than us.


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Richard E on June 05, 2023, 08:11:00 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on June 05, 2023, 07:49:13 PM
Sky saying Chelsea unlikely to go for Ugarte.  We have been linked.  Liverpool after other targets and don't seem to have lots of money.  Hopefully, we are interested. 

He’s off to PSG isn’t he?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on June 05, 2023, 08:13:15 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Richard E on June 05, 2023, 08:11:00 PM
Quote from: Steve67 on June 05, 2023, 07:49:13 PM
Sky saying Chelsea unlikely to go for Ugarte.  We have been linked.  Liverpool after other targets and don't seem to have lots of money.  Hopefully, we are interested. 

He’s off to PSG isn’t he?

Another one going to PSG?  I wasn't aware of that.  Good central midfielder but high release clause. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on June 05, 2023, 08:16:27 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on June 05, 2023, 07:49:13 PM
Sky saying Chelsea unlikely to go for Ugarte.  We have been linked.  Liverpool after other targets and don't seem to have lots of money.  Hopefully, we are interested.

I thought he was PSG bound? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on June 05, 2023, 08:18:39 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: villadelph on June 05, 2023, 08:16:27 PM
Quote from: Steve67 on June 05, 2023, 07:49:13 PM
Sky saying Chelsea unlikely to go for Ugarte.  We have been linked.  Liverpool after other targets and don't seem to have lots of money.  Hopefully, we are interested.

I thought he was PSG bound? 

Bugger.  Shame.  Decent player.  Clearly, I hate him now and have never rated him. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: alan_clarke on June 05, 2023, 08:26:14 PM
			

			

				Stats wise, Tielemans has never had as good a season for goals and assists as Ramsey and Luiz have just had. But then, neither has Grealish since joining City either :)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RamboandBruno on June 05, 2023, 08:36:58 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: rob_bridge on June 05, 2023, 07:59:45 PM
Tielmans could be another Barkley based on last 18 months.

That said he could have a great season, star at Euros and be worth 80m based on what he did before.

Its whether we take the punt. Totally sorr midfield if it came off mind. 
And if he is cack we sell him for 15m next season.

I think he’s a far better player than Barkley to be honest. He’s played in a Leicester side that finished 5th twice and won the FA Cup and he scored a screamer to win that for them. Has also played at the Euros and World Cup for an albeit ageing Belgium. Its all gone pete tong at Leicester for him and everyone else over the last 12-18 months, but he is a quality player and we can get him as competition in our midfield we should. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 05, 2023, 08:41:19 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on June 05, 2023, 08:07:28 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 05, 2023, 07:55:32 PM
I think we’ll struggle to improve on any of our midfield four unless we get into the CL

And even then, this summer or next you'd think that Champions League clubs will be looking at the likes of Dougie and Kamara to upgrade their midfield if they carry on as they are, so it's hard to see how we buy improvements for them given they themselves would be improvements for clubs higher up than us.

And Ramsey could yet be the best, or most valuable, of the lot.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on June 05, 2023, 08:47:58 PM
			

			

				If Unai wants Tielemans, im all for it.  

Think hes good and on a free its a good way of improving the squad while keeping our powder try for Bailey and Beundia upgrades
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: The Man With A Stick on June 05, 2023, 09:04:10 PM
			

			

				If Unai saw something in bringing back Mathieu Berson or Nigel Callaghan I don't think I could argue with it.  Let him have whoever he wants.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 05, 2023, 09:10:32 PM
			

			

				I think it's about as good a 'free' player as you could get, makes sense to me to give competition for our increased number of games.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on June 05, 2023, 09:19:39 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Beard82 on June 05, 2023, 08:47:58 PM
If Unai wants Tielemans, im all for it.  

Think hes good and on a free its a good way of improving the squad while keeping our powder try for Bailey and Beundia upgrades

This would be a fabulous signing on a free. 

He is a wonderfully technical player who passes & strikes the ball beautifully. 

He is a bit slow, but he works hard & would be a solid squad player. Which is something we need. 

And if he regains his form, which is highly likely under Emery, he could become a key player. 

Either way, on a free, its a good gamble. In my humble opinion. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 05, 2023, 09:20:03 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on June 05, 2023, 09:10:32 PM
I think it's about as good a 'free' player as you could get, makes sense to me to give competition for our increased number of games.


takes penalties too 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on June 05, 2023, 09:29:37 PM
			

			

				The fact he scored the winner in an FA Cup final alone should be enough reason to sign him, on the off chance he could repeat the trick
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Richard E on June 05, 2023, 09:31:50 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on June 05, 2023, 09:29:37 PM
The fact he scored the winner in an FA Cup final alone should be enough reason to sign him, on the off chance he could repeat the trick

If he doesn’t come then Alan Sunderland and Trevor Brooking are back up options.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: rob_bridge on June 05, 2023, 09:38:48 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Richard E on June 05, 2023, 09:31:50 PM
Quote from: LeeB on June 05, 2023, 09:29:37 PM
The fact he scored the winner in an FA Cup final alone should be enough reason to sign him, on the off chance he could repeat the trick
If he doesn’t come then Alan Sunderland and Trevor Brooking are back up options.
Or that Watson fellow from Wigan
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: j66acd on June 05, 2023, 09:41:06 PM
			

			

				If he replaces Sanson in the squad then it’s an immediate upgrade. Arguably better than Dendonker, proven internationally and not  paying those mangey foxes from the shire a penny!!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on June 05, 2023, 09:49:03 PM
			

			

				It's not that long ago that Tielemans was considered pretty hot shit. Leicester might have imploded and he didn't have the greatest year, but hey, we remember when our relegation year made good players like Gueye and Veretout look like drunk amateurs. If Unai wants him, then I am up for it.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 05, 2023, 09:50:58 PM
			

			

				I’m prepared to give Tielemans the benefit of the doubt for his recent form.  There were pretty strong links to arsenal and I can see a situation where Leicester had promised him a move but it never materialised. His form up to that point was arguably the best in that level below Man City/Liverpool.

BTW, is he direct competition for Luiz or Kamara though?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on June 05, 2023, 09:57:26 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 05, 2023, 09:50:58 PM
BTW, is he direct competition for Luiz or Kamara though?

Definitely more attacking than Kamara. I'd guess thought that we hope to be able to put a two or three man central midfield together from any of five or six players without any massive drop in quality. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on June 05, 2023, 10:01:45 PM
			

			

				Tielemans is a funny o0ne, at his best he's a top class player who you'd think should be playing regularly at champions league level but it doesn't seme to take much for his attitude to turn and for him to go through the motions.

I suspect he asked Rodgers to let him leave last year (when he was being linked with a lot of CL clubs) and felt let down that they refused, especially when it was pretty clear that the squad was a mess and Rodgers himself seemed more interested in excuses for why they were going to fail than in trying to fix things. That he was a tit at Monaco as well is the bigger worry for me.

I'd also normally be a little nervy about signing a DM from a team that conceded so many, especially given he was quite clearly shown to be at fault for a few of those, but playing in front of that defence and keeper would be enough to break anyone. As we've seen with Dougie, and the addition of Kamara and Donk, sometimes a technical tempo-setting 6 needs a battler alongside him to let him shine. I'd see Tielemans as very much a option to cover the work Dougie does, giving us 4 genuine starting options in those 2 key spots.

On that basis I'd take the risk given he's 'free', there's definitely enough talent there for Emery to bring out. All along I'd hoped that we'd fill a couple of the gaps in the squad for free/cheap so we could go big on 2-3 players to really push us on so this works well, gutted it's not Asensio coming in for free though.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 05, 2023, 10:08:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Richard E on June 05, 2023, 09:31:50 PM
Quote from: LeeB on June 05, 2023, 09:29:37 PM
The fact he scored the winner in an FA Cup final alone should be enough reason to sign him, on the off chance he could repeat the trick

If he doesn’t come then Alan Sunderland and Trevor Brooking are back up options.

Football cliches of the 1980s

“And you don’t score many with your head, do you Trevor?” 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on June 05, 2023, 10:10:08 PM
			

			

				As others have said, if Emery wants him then it should be fine with all of us. He’s absolutely earned that. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeonW on June 05, 2023, 10:13:12 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on June 05, 2023, 10:01:45 PM
Tielemans is a funny o0ne, at his best he's a top class player who you'd think should be playing regularly at champions league level but it doesn't seme to take much for his attitude to turn and for him to go through the motions.

I suspect he asked Rodgers to let him leave last year (when he was being linked with a lot of CL clubs) and felt let down that they refused, especially when it was pretty clear that the squad was a mess and Rodgers himself seemed more interested in excuses for why they were going to fail than in trying to fix things. That he was a tit at Monaco as well is the bigger worry for me.

I'd also normally be a little nervy about signing a DM from a team that conceded so many, especially given he was quite clearly shown to be at fault for a few of those, but playing in front of that defence and keeper would be enough to break anyone. As we've seen with Dougie, and the addition of Kamara and Donk, sometimes a technical tempo-setting 6 needs a battler alongside him to let him shine. I'd see Tielemans as very much a option to cover the work Dougie does, giving us 4 genuine starting options in those 2 key spots.

On that basis I'd take the risk given he's 'free', there's definitely enough talent there for Emery to bring out. All along I'd hoped that we'd fill a couple of the gaps in the squad for free/cheap so we could go big on 2-3 players to really push us on so this works well, gutted it's not Asensio coming in for free though.

I tend to agree. On the face of it, it’s potentially a very good signing that a year ago we’d probably really be happy about. But when you start breaking it down there is potentially an attitude problem there and after the season Dougie and Kamara had together (even in patches), that shouldn’t be disturbed. We’ve gone from midfield being our biggest weakness to it probably now being our biggest strength. Tielemans is probably not going to be happy about being a rotation player at a club not in the champions league. Putting that aside, the biggest thing of all for me is that he’s not a consistent player. Emery has done well in turning some of our players into consistent performers. But i’d much rather we signed players that would regularly guarantee a 7/10 performance every week then another Bunedia or a Bailey who will deliver at least a 70 min decent performance every now and again. Turning out a side that will be at least a 7/10 each game is where we will really kick on.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on June 05, 2023, 10:22:23 PM
			

			

				I’ve read a few comments about Tielemans at Monaco and his attitude. I’m not sure of the finer points but from the outside looking in he moved to a better league than Belgium and then did the same again when moving to England. Monaco is a stepping stone club so he was never going to stop there long term, especially given his reputation when he was at Anderlecht.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on June 05, 2023, 10:32:52 PM
			

			

				I think Tielemans would be an excellent signing for a free transfer. If Emery thinks he's ok, then to me it'd be a very exciting move. We'd look incredibly strong in those more 'holding' midfielder roles - any 2 from Kamara, Dougie, Tielemans, and Dendonker - so pretty resilient to injuries, suspensions etc.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: trinityoap on June 05, 2023, 10:40:17 PM
			

			

				How about a cheeky £25million plus Olsen bid for Kane? Presumably he wants to play for a club that could offer him European football.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SoccerHQ on June 05, 2023, 11:00:03 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on June 05, 2023, 09:57:26 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 05, 2023, 09:50:58 PM
BTW, is he direct competition for Luiz or Kamara though?

Definitely more attacking than Kamara. I'd guess thought that we hope to be able to put a two or three man central midfield together from any of five or six players without any massive drop in quality. 

Tielemans would be straight in if Luiz gets injured or picks up a red card (although his luckily always seem to be overturned).

I'm not going to say he's been amazing lately for Leicester as he clearly hasn't but he has been a top midfielder in the league in the not too distant past and has endless premier league and european experience and still only mid 20s so I think on a free it's a smart pick up and gives us so much depth centrally we can continue playing Ramsey and SJM wider for chunks of next season.

Pretty sure last summer one of the posters here said we were interested in him so get the feeling there's been long term interest from the club and more importantly UE rates him so why not.

If he dosen't step up from what he's been producing for Leicester in last six months he dosen't start for us.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 05, 2023, 11:04:28 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 05, 2023, 10:10:08 PM
As others have said, if Emery wants him then it should be fine with all of us. He’s absolutely earned that.

It's the culture Emery has built with the current squad that does it for me. We take no passengers. If he decides to be an arse we flog him in January and make a tidy profit.

Any player moving to us this summer will find out Day 1 it's no summer camp.  Death or glory. As it should be. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on June 05, 2023, 11:12:44 PM
			

			

				Guendouzi a bit too costly, so we’re using Tielemans to get the fee down?  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on June 05, 2023, 11:17:48 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on June 05, 2023, 10:22:23 PM
Monaco is a stepping stone club so he was never going to stop there long term, especially given his reputation when he was at Anderlecht.

Not sure that's quite fair. When he joined them they'd just won Ligue 1 and got to the Champions League semi-finals.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on June 05, 2023, 11:51:31 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ian. on June 05, 2023, 07:28:56 PM
He looked brilliant for a couple of seasons. I’m not sure what went wrong with him last season? However you only have to look at the form of some of our own players under the wrong manager. McGinn in particular went to shit for some time and many of us were gutted to say he didn’t look good enough anymore, now look at him under Emery.

Tielemans, like Rodgers up to recently, was effectively dialling it in at Leicester for the last 12-18 months. Contract running down and he provided little or no leadership during that time. Still...at 26 he still has plenty of years left at the top level, if he still has the application. 

Very talented player but something tells me this is one to let slip. For one, he would be competing really with our best player, Luiz, for that deep lying playmaking role, two, free transfers are never free, fat contracts are the order of the day, three, are we really willing to give someone a fat contract on the hope they can flick a switch and start taking their career seriously again?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SamTheMouse on June 05, 2023, 11:56:41 PM
			

			

				Tielemans certainly likes a screamer, so that would be a nice thing to have in our locker. McGinn is capable of them but infrequently.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on June 06, 2023, 01:08:47 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: brontebilly on June 05, 2023, 11:51:31 PM
Quote from: Ian. on June 05, 2023, 07:28:56 PM
He looked brilliant for a couple of seasons. I’m not sure what went wrong with him last season? However you only have to look at the form of some of our own players under the wrong manager. McGinn in particular went to shit for some time and many of us were gutted to say he didn’t look good enough anymore, now look at him under Emery.

Tielemans, like Rodgers up to recently, was effectively dialling it in at Leicester for the last 12-18 months. Contract running down and he provided little or no leadership during that time. Still...at 26 he still has plenty of years left at the top level, if he still has the application. 

Very talented player but something tells me this is one to let slip. For one, he would be competing really with our best player, Luiz, for that deep lying playmaking role, two, free transfers are never free, fat contracts are the order of the day, three, are we really willing to give someone a fat contract on the hope they can flick a switch and start taking their career seriously again?

Hey, it worked with, er, Coutinho. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on June 06, 2023, 03:38:17 AM
			

			

				The whole Leicester thing was a disaster last year and even the best players played well below their ability. But in previous season he was very good. Reminded me a bit of Doug in these highlights with added long range screamers and penalties as a bonus. 


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: sid1964 on June 06, 2023, 06:32:23 AM
			

			

				I would imagine that if he were to sign for us he would want to be a guaranteed starter

Read elsewhere that Arsenal also want Tielemans, if true then he will not be signing for us.


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on June 06, 2023, 08:11:52 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: sid1964 on June 06, 2023, 06:32:23 AM
I would imagine that if he were to sign for us he would want to be a guaranteed starter

Read elsewhere that Arsenal also want Tielemans, if true then he will not be signing for us.

Sick of them trying to get all the players we want. It takes the piss when they can just use their Mysteron powers to create a replica, like they did with Arteta.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on June 06, 2023, 09:00:26 AM
			

			

				This summer we are going to need quite an agile strategy to be 4-5 first team quality players stronger by the end of the window realistically, with 2-3 of those being starters over the current. A couple of free transfers even on decent wages will help with that. Tielemans makes sense from a squad perspective, but would need to seriously improve from last season to start regularly. Wouldn't be shocked to see us in for Zaha too given he was who Emery wanted when Arsenal bought Pepe. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on June 06, 2023, 09:01:38 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: sid1964 on June 06, 2023, 06:32:23 AM
I would imagine that if he were to sign for us he would want to be a guaranteed starter

Read elsewhere that Arsenal also want Tielemans, if true then he will not be signing for us.

From what Emery has said, any player coming in will improve the team and so willbe fighting for starting place. We'll be playing many more games next season and so there'll be more rotation - McGinn/Doug/JJ played a lot of minutes when Kam was injured.

Also comments on here about his performances this season - just reminds me of what we said about 80% of our squad under Gerrard. He's clearly very talented, who better to bring it out of him our Unai? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on June 06, 2023, 09:04:37 AM
			

			

				I had my heart set on Guendouzi, but Tielemans on a free does seem like incredible business to me.  

I would have liked a big bastard as we're a small team and at 5/8 he's another munchkin.  But there's no doubt he would add quality to the squad.


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on June 06, 2023, 09:18:57 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on June 06, 2023, 09:04:37 AM
I had my heart set on Guendouzi, but Tielemans on a free does seem like incredible business to me.  

I would have liked a big bastard as we're a small team and at 5/8 he's another munchkin.  But there's no doubt he would add quality to the squad.

Completely agree. If McGinn gets injured, we don't have anyone in there who throws their weight around and ruffles a few feathers. Guendouzi has that same aspect and I'd still like to see him in.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on June 06, 2023, 09:23:21 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on June 06, 2023, 09:18:57 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on June 06, 2023, 09:04:37 AM
I had my heart set on Guendouzi, but Tielemans on a free does seem like incredible business to me.  

I would have liked a big bastard as we're a small team and at 5/8 he's another munchkin.  But there's no doubt he would add quality to the squad.

Completely agree. If McGinn gets injured, we don't have anyone in there who throws their weight around and ruffles a few feathers. Guendouzi has that same aspect and I'd still like to see him in.

If we did add Guendouzi and Tielemans to Kamara, Douglas Luiz and McGinn then that's probably a stronger central midfield than anyone in the league bar Man City. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on June 06, 2023, 09:24:09 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Monty on June 05, 2023, 09:49:03 PM
It's not that long ago that Tielemans was considered pretty hot shit. Leicester might have imploded and he didn't have the greatest year, but hey, we remember when our relegation year made good players like Gueye and Veretout look like drunk amateurs. If Unai wants him, then I am up for it.

He apparently "downed tools" when a move he wanted didn't materialise. 

Did the same thing to get the move to Leicester too apparently. 

Which would be a concern if we signed him...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on June 06, 2023, 10:13:59 AM
			

			

				If we sign him for free and he plays well enough to demand a move in 2-3 years time for a decent fee, then even though it will piss us off at the time it will have been good business.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 06, 2023, 10:17:59 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: brontebilly on June 05, 2023, 11:51:31 PM
Quote from: Ian. on June 05, 2023, 07:28:56 PM
He looked brilliant for a couple of seasons. I’m not sure what went wrong with him last season? However you only have to look at the form of some of our own players under the wrong manager. McGinn in particular went to shit for some time and many of us were gutted to say he didn’t look good enough anymore, now look at him under Emery.

Tielemans, like Rodgers up to recently, was effectively dialling it in at Leicester for the last 12-18 months. Contract running down and he provided little or no leadership during that time. Still...at 26 he still has plenty of years left at the top level, if he still has the application. 

Very talented player but something tells me this is one to let slip. For one, he would be competing really with our best player, Luiz, for that deep lying playmaking role, two, free transfers are never free, fat contracts are the order of the day, three, are we really willing to give someone a fat contract on the hope they can flick a switch and start taking their career seriously again?

Free transfers might not be free as, as you say, they come with bigger wages for the player, but if you are signing the right players, you stand to make a fat profit when you eventually move them on, way more than their extra wages would represent.


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on June 06, 2023, 10:18:39 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pablo_picasso on June 06, 2023, 09:24:09 AM
Quote from: Monty on June 05, 2023, 09:49:03 PM
It's not that long ago that Tielemans was considered pretty hot shit. Leicester might have imploded and he didn't have the greatest year, but hey, we remember when our relegation year made good players like Gueye and Veretout look like drunk amateurs. If Unai wants him, then I am up for it.

He apparently "downed tools" when a move he wanted didn't materialise. 

Did the same thing to get the move to Leicester too apparently. 

Which would be a concern if we signed him...

Sure, but i) hopefully we can fulfill his ambitions, and ii) he's not going to be an undisputed star in our team but rather will have to fight for his place and so will have less leverage - as will be the case with any 'top club' move he might have in mind. I'm relatively sanguine about this bit.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on June 06, 2023, 10:20:34 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on June 06, 2023, 10:13:59 AM
If we sign him for free and he plays well enough to demand a move in 2-3 years time for a decent fee, then even though it will piss us off at the time it will have been good business.

Yep. 

In two summers we'll have picked up two very talented midfielders with their best years ahead of them for about £5m less than we played for Aaron Tshibola
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on June 06, 2023, 10:22:50 AM
			

			

				The Dutch are very individualishtic, I would say they have a history of going against the grain from various WC squads to  Bogarde, Van Hooijdonk even Cruyff.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on June 06, 2023, 10:23:23 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 06, 2023, 10:17:59 AM
Quote from: brontebilly on June 05, 2023, 11:51:31 PM
Quote from: Ian. on June 05, 2023, 07:28:56 PM
He looked brilliant for a couple of seasons. I’m not sure what went wrong with him last season? However you only have to look at the form of some of our own players under the wrong manager. McGinn in particular went to shit for some time and many of us were gutted to say he didn’t look good enough anymore, now look at him under Emery.

Tielemans, like Rodgers up to recently, was effectively dialling it in at Leicester for the last 12-18 months. Contract running down and he provided little or no leadership during that time. Still...at 26 he still has plenty of years left at the top level, if he still has the application. 

Very talented player but something tells me this is one to let slip. For one, he would be competing really with our best player, Luiz, for that deep lying playmaking role, two, free transfers are never free, fat contracts are the order of the day, three, are we really willing to give someone a fat contract on the hope they can flick a switch and start taking their career seriously again?

Free transfers might not be free as, as you say, they come with bigger wages for the player, but if you are signing the right players, you stand to make a fat profit when you eventually move them on, way more than their extra wages would represent.

And, once you start bothering the top six you need to be paying fat contracts come what may. 

As the sort of players that you need to get there, and stay there will have the offer of fat contracts with us or with someone else. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on June 06, 2023, 10:24:10 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ChicagoLion on June 06, 2023, 10:22:50 AM
The Dutch are very individualishtic, I would say they have a history of going against the grain from various WC squads to  Bogarde, Van Hooijdonk even Cruyff.

But what's that got to do with Tielemans?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on June 06, 2023, 10:24:16 AM
			

			

				The problem was Rodgers though, nobody at Leicester wanted to play for him any more and by the time they shipped him out it was too late. I'd say it was fairly obvious that Gerrard had "lost the dressing room" completely from the Fulham game, we were just lucky that Nas was on hand to watch it in person and didn't even wait until the morning to twat him with the sack stick. Had he stayed on, I think we'd probably be having similar conversations about the likes of Mings, McGinn and Luiz.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on June 06, 2023, 10:30:03 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Monty on June 06, 2023, 10:24:10 AM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on June 06, 2023, 10:22:50 AM
The Dutch are very individualishtic, I would say they have a history of going against the grain from various WC squads to  Bogarde, Van Hooijdonk even Cruyff.

But what's that got to do with Tielemans?
Nothing.
I think he speaks Flemish though.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on June 06, 2023, 10:31:25 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on June 06, 2023, 10:20:34 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on June 06, 2023, 10:13:59 AM
If we sign him for free and he plays well enough to demand a move in 2-3 years time for a decent fee, then even though it will piss us off at the time it will have been good business.

Yep. 

In two summers we'll have picked up two very talented midfielders with their best years ahead of them for about £5m less than we played for Aaron Tshibola

Christ on a bike.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 06, 2023, 10:33:09 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on June 06, 2023, 10:24:16 AM
The problem was Rodgers though, nobody at Leicester wanted to play for him any more and by the time they shipped him out it was too late. I'd say it was fairly obvious that Gerrard had "lost the dressing room" completely from the Fulham game, we were just lucky that Nas was on hand to watch it in person and didn't even wait until the morning to twat him with the sack stick. Had he stayed on, I think we'd probably be having similar conversations about the likes of Mings, McGinn and Luiz.

Absolutely we would be. In fact, we already were with some of them, so shit had they been for so long.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on June 06, 2023, 10:34:55 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 06, 2023, 10:33:09 AM
Quote from: Risso on June 06, 2023, 10:24:16 AM
The problem was Rodgers though, nobody at Leicester wanted to play for him any more and by the time they shipped him out it was too late. I'd say it was fairly obvious that Gerrard had "lost the dressing room" completely from the Fulham game, we were just lucky that Nas was on hand to watch it in person and didn't even wait until the morning to twat him with the sack stick. Had he stayed on, I think we'd probably be having similar conversations about the likes of Mings, McGinn and Luiz.

Absolutely we would be. In fact, we already were with some of them, so shit had they been for so long.

Even I'd more or less given up on McGinn and I loved the bloke and held on longer than most
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brend'Watkins on June 06, 2023, 10:41:11 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on June 06, 2023, 10:31:25 AM
Quote from: LeeB on June 06, 2023, 10:20:34 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on June 06, 2023, 10:13:59 AM
If we sign him for free and he plays well enough to demand a move in 2-3 years time for a decent fee, then even though it will piss us off at the time it will have been good business.

Yep. 

In two summers we'll have picked up two very talented midfielders with their best years ahead of them for about £5m less than we played for Aaron Tshibola

Christ on a bike.

I had to look him up as I'd completely forgotten all about him. Christ on a bike indeed.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: boozey182 on June 06, 2023, 10:54:28 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on June 06, 2023, 10:24:16 AM
The problem was Rodgers though, nobody at Leicester wanted to play for him any more and by the time they shipped him out it was too late. I'd say it was fairly obvious that Gerrard had "lost the dressing room" completely from the Fulham game, we were just lucky that Nas was on hand to watch it in person and didn't even wait until the morning to twat him with the sack stick. Had he stayed on, I think we'd probably be having similar conversations about the likes of Mings, McGinn and Luiz.

Absolutely. And you could make a very good argument that Tielemans' pedigree is much higher than those three would have been as well, having played at a higher level than any of them (as much as I love them all).

I think this would be a great signing, if it goes through. He's a quality player - even if he doesn't come in to replace Luiz in the first team, he absolutely would be a huge step up on, say, Sanson in the squad. There will hopefully be plenty of games to go around, and if Unai can trust the bench a bit more, it will hopefully mean our players don't get so jaded like they did for a few games towards the end of the season. It would also give us flexibility in terms of the structure of the team (I think Unai might want to play a midfield three behind three more attacking options at times next year).

In terms of his attitude, I'm not too concerned about it. I think the club has more potential to grow than he does, so I can't see it being an issue. If he's playing at a standard that Champions League clubs come in for him, I would expect we'd be very close to qualifying ourselves. Leicester were a basket case last season - there were all those rumours that they couldn't afford to sack Rodgers, and we was holding out for his payoff. If Tielemans felt let down because they blocked his exit to get out of that mess, I'm not completely shocked that his heart wasn't completely in it. Although I do remember at least one screamer he scored for them last year (against Everton?) so he couldn't have been on Joleon levels of stinking the place out.

I wouldn't rule out a move for Guendouzi as well, to be honest. We need numbers, but crucially we need players that aren't going to drop the quality of our team when they play. If Doug or McGinn would have got injured in March, for example, we would have been in big trouble. Tiredness, injuries and suspensions cannot be an excuse next year - we have time now to protect against that.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on June 06, 2023, 11:00:58 AM
			

			

				That goal he scored at Goodison last season was ridiculously good.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Mister E on June 06, 2023, 11:14:14 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: sid1964 on June 06, 2023, 06:32:23 AM
I would imagine that if he were to sign for us he would want to be a guaranteed starter
Read elsewhere that Arsenal also want Tielemans, if true then he will not be signing for us.
 the concept of 'guaranteed starter' is a non-starter! No one gets to be a guaranteed starter in a successful squad, particularly when Emery picks a side to play against specific opponents.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dicedlam on June 06, 2023, 11:19:48 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: algy on June 05, 2023, 10:32:52 PM
I think Tielemans would be an excellent signing for a free transfer. If Emery thinks he's ok, then to me it'd be a very exciting move. We'd look incredibly strong in those more 'holding' midfielder roles - any 2 from Kamara, Dougie, Tielemans, and Dendonker - so pretty resilient to injuries, suspensions etc.


This is a very good point you make algy.

There are many times when you see a defensive mid picking up early cards only to then having to play the rest of the game on a tight rope hoping not to receive a red? 
Having the quality of say both Tielmans and Dendoncker on the bench would certainly not see a drop in quality if either Douglas/Kamara or McGinn picked up cards early in physical games, especially in away games where the crowd can be an influence on refereeing decisions. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 06, 2023, 11:31:55 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on June 06, 2023, 10:24:16 AM
The problem was Rodgers though, nobody at Leicester wanted to play for him any more and by the time they shipped him out it was too late. I'd say it was fairly obvious that Gerrard had "lost the dressing room" completely from the Fulham game, we were just lucky that Nas was on hand to watch it in person and didn't even wait until the morning to twat him with the sack stick. Had he stayed on, I think we'd probably be having similar conversations about the likes of Mings, McGinn and Luiz.

I’d also park some blame at the owners.  I think about 7 players were out of contract this summer.  That’s poor planning and suggest he’s withdrawing funding.  The keeper situation doesn’t scream ambitious club either.  I work at a company which is cost-cutting and it’s surprising how quickly employees turn against their employer. …and I could plod about for 30-years in my career whereas a footballer has 10-15 at best, so each year is crucial.


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on June 06, 2023, 11:35:46 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: algy on June 05, 2023, 10:32:52 PM
I think Tielemans would be an excellent signing for a free transfer. If Emery thinks he's ok, then to me it'd be a very exciting move. We'd look incredibly strong in those more 'holding' midfielder roles - any 2 from Kamara, Dougie, Tielemans, and Dendonker - so pretty resilient to injuries, suspensions etc.
Tieleman was their mainstay midfielder. Leicester were dominated and bullied to defeats by most teams. I suggest Tielemans has a lot to do with it with. He was not much of a holding midfielder last season. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on June 06, 2023, 11:40:51 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on June 06, 2023, 10:13:59 AM
If we sign him for free and he plays well enough to demand a move in 2-3 years time for a decent fee, then even though it will piss us off at the time it will have been good business.
Jesus....Christ!
Just had to go to Villa Park and check that it still says Aston Villa  on the wall and not Southampton/Bournemouth/Norwich etc etc. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on June 06, 2023, 11:42:43 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: olaftab on June 06, 2023, 11:35:46 AM
Quote from: algy on June 05, 2023, 10:32:52 PM
I think Tielemans would be an excellent signing for a free transfer. If Emery thinks he's ok, then to me it'd be a very exciting move. We'd look incredibly strong in those more 'holding' midfielder roles - any 2 from Kamara, Dougie, Tielemans, and Dendonker - so pretty resilient to injuries, suspensions etc.
Tieleman was their mainstay midfielder. Leicester were dominated and bullied to defeats by most teams. I suggest Tielemans has a lot to do with it with. He was not much of a holding midfielder last season. 

He's not a holding midfielder though, he's an '8', more like Dougie, who also struggled like fuck in that role in a poorly set up team. Their 'holding' midfielders were Soumare and N'Didi who were all absolute Blues whenever I saw them
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on June 06, 2023, 12:33:39 PM
			

			

				Reports that apparently we have now made an offer for 'object of desire' Pau Torres.

http://sportwitness.co.uk/aston-villa-formalised-offer-player-one-step-ahead-competition-player-decide-quickly/ (http://sportwitness.co.uk/aston-villa-formalised-offer-player-one-step-ahead-competition-player-decide-quickly/)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: jwarry on June 06, 2023, 12:45:44 PM
			

			

				Pau Torres, Tielemans and Felix/Asensio if we were definitely considering them would be a fantastic start to the window! 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on June 06, 2023, 12:57:32 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: jwarry on June 06, 2023, 12:45:44 PM
Pau Torres, Tielemans and Felix/Asensio if we were definitely considering them would be a fantastic start to the window!
No, signing them would be a fantastic start.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on June 06, 2023, 01:00:45 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ChicagoLion on June 06, 2023, 12:57:32 PM
Quote from: jwarry on June 06, 2023, 12:45:44 PM
Pau Torres, Tielemans and Felix/Asensio if we were definitely considering them would be a fantastic start to the window!
No, signing them would be a fantastic start.

No, signing them would be fantastic.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on June 06, 2023, 01:09:08 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on June 06, 2023, 01:00:45 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on June 06, 2023, 12:57:32 PM
Quote from: jwarry on June 06, 2023, 12:45:44 PM
Pau Torres, Tielemans and Felix/Asensio if we were definitely considering them would be a fantastic start to the window!
No, signing them would be a fantastic start.

No, signing them would be fantastic.
Yes considering.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on June 06, 2023, 01:18:54 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: olaftab on June 06, 2023, 11:35:46 AM
Quote from: algy on June 05, 2023, 10:32:52 PM
I think Tielemans would be an excellent signing for a free transfer. If Emery thinks he's ok, then to me it'd be a very exciting move. We'd look incredibly strong in those more 'holding' midfielder roles - any 2 from Kamara, Dougie, Tielemans, and Dendonker - so pretty resilient to injuries, suspensions etc.
Tieleman was their mainstay midfielder. Leicester were dominated and bullied to defeats by most teams. I suggest Tielemans has a lot to do with it with. He was not much of a holding midfielder last season.

To be fair Ndidi looked a pub player for them this season, fairly sure it was his 'assist' that setup Traore for our winner that night. So many of their midfielders struggled. Sticking with an utterly finished Vardy up front another terrible call.

If a club gets stuck in a negative situation in lots of good players (even Rodgers is objectively a very good coach) can lose their way as we know from recent memory ourselves. Tielemans had the experience and ability to show a lot more on the pitch for them but didn't. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on June 06, 2023, 01:29:03 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on June 06, 2023, 12:33:39 PM
Reports that apparently we have now made an offer for 'object of desire' Pau Torres.

http://sportwitness.co.uk/aston-villa-formalised-offer-player-one-step-ahead-competition-player-decide-quickly/ (http://sportwitness.co.uk/aston-villa-formalised-offer-player-one-step-ahead-competition-player-decide-quickly/)

Is that the name of his bottled fragrance (RRP £49.95)?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 06, 2023, 02:00:26 PM
			

			

				Not keen on Tielemans, part of why we’re good at the moment seems to be a great team spirit and I wouldn’t want some billy big bollox half arsed fucker who only does it when he feels like it to potentially upset that.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on June 06, 2023, 02:05:20 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on June 06, 2023, 02:00:26 PM
Not keen on Tielemans, part of why we’re good at the moment seems to be a great team spirit and I wouldn’t want some billy big bollox half arsed fucker who only does it when he feels like it to potentially upset that.

Don’t hold back, say what you mean, use your words! 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on June 06, 2023, 02:06:19 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on June 06, 2023, 02:00:26 PM
Not keen on Tielemans, part of why we’re good at the moment seems to be a great team spirit and I wouldn’t want some billy big bollox half arsed fucker who only does it when he feels like it to potentially upset that.

As I said earlier though, none of them wanted to play for Rodgers, just like none of our team wanted to play for Gerrard. He'd be coming into a club in great spirits, with a superb manager and a happy squad. At his best he helped them to two 5th placed finishes and the FA Cup.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on June 06, 2023, 02:12:05 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on June 06, 2023, 01:29:03 PM
Quote from: Dogtanian on June 06, 2023, 12:33:39 PM
Reports that apparently we have now made an offer for 'object of desire' Pau Torres.

http://sportwitness.co.uk/aston-villa-formalised-offer-player-one-step-ahead-competition-player-decide-quickly/ (http://sportwitness.co.uk/aston-villa-formalised-offer-player-one-step-ahead-competition-player-decide-quickly/)

Is that the name of his bottled fragrance (RRP £49.95)?

I wondered why I kept hearing it in a husky French accent.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on June 06, 2023, 02:34:05 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on June 06, 2023, 02:06:19 PM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on June 06, 2023, 02:00:26 PM
Not keen on Tielemans, part of why we’re good at the moment seems to be a great team spirit and I wouldn’t want some billy big bollox half arsed fucker who only does it when he feels like it to potentially upset that.

As I said earlier though, none of them wanted to play for Rodgers, just like none of our team wanted to play for Gerrard. He'd be coming into a club in great spirits, with a superb manager and a happy squad. At his best he helped them to two 5th placed finishes and the FA Cup.

I've asked my mate from over that way (I know him through rugby but he's been a big football fan for the last 7-8 years for some reason) and he said Tielemans looked much better under Smith after looking unfit and disinterested at times under Rodgers.

To go back a bit he said talk of Barnes for £50m is insane and even the £25-30m being mentioned now would be good business, I said a lot of Villa fans think he'd be a decent signing and, to quote "You'd hate him after 6months, he's selfish and lazy".

Finally he also blames Soumare, Faes and Iversen for them going down, to paraphrase - "Soumare just kicks people, Faes is slow and a bit of a donkey and Iversen has no business being a professional footballer".
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on June 06, 2023, 02:41:08 PM
			

			

				Well Danny Ward made Iversen look like Lev Yashin so I'm surprised he didn't mention him, but yeah Soumare and Faes looked comically bad
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on June 06, 2023, 02:43:37 PM
			

			

				Whilst we're talking about Leicester the other player I would take a look at is James Justin. I think they've really missed him this year (and he's not as tainted by the relegation as most) and he's versatile enough to be decent cover in a few different positions. Wouldn't want to pay a huge amount though after he's been out for 8months, might need a while to get back to his best.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on June 06, 2023, 02:46:10 PM
			

			

				All the Leicester season ticket holders I know love Barnes. In any case, Barnes under Unai Emery would be a very different player to Barnes under Rodgers or Smith. 13 goals in a turd of a relegation side is good going for a winger/second striker. A hugely better return than either Buendia or Bailey managed in a much more successful, better coached side. Imagine him playing in the Bailey spot and getting that many goals, and what that could do for our fortunes.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on June 06, 2023, 02:46:38 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on June 06, 2023, 02:43:37 PM
Whilst we're talking about Leicester the other player I would take a look at is James Justin. I think they've really missed him this year (and he's not as tainted by the relegation as most) and he's versatile enough to be decent cover in a few different positions. Wouldn't want to pay a huge amount though after he's been out for 8months, might need a while to get back to his best.

Yes he looked handy. Dewsbury-Hall and Luke Thomas are supoosedly highly rated but I think they're both toss.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 06, 2023, 02:48:12 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on June 06, 2023, 02:43:37 PM
Whilst we're talking about Leicester the other player I would take a look at is James Justin. I think they've really missed him this year (and he's not as tainted by the relegation as most) and he's versatile enough to be decent cover in a few different positions. Wouldn't want to pay a huge amount though after he's been out for 8months, might need a while to get back to his best.

Can play both left and right back to a decent standard so a replacement for Young.  I like it, that versatility stops the squad getting too bloated. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on June 06, 2023, 02:49:39 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on June 06, 2023, 02:43:37 PM
Whilst we're talking about Leicester the other player I would take a look at is James Justin. I think they've really missed him this year (and he's not as tainted by the relegation as most) and he's versatile enough to be decent cover in a few different positions. Wouldn't want to pay a huge amount though after he's been out for 8months, might need a while to get back to his best.

Is this his first or second bad injury since being there? He looked a proper player when he got there though
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on June 06, 2023, 02:49:48 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on June 06, 2023, 02:46:38 PM
Quote from: paul_e on June 06, 2023, 02:43:37 PM
Whilst we're talking about Leicester the other player I would take a look at is James Justin. I think they've really missed him this year (and he's not as tainted by the relegation as most) and he's versatile enough to be decent cover in a few different positions. Wouldn't want to pay a huge amount though after he's been out for 8months, might need a while to get back to his best.

Yes he looked handy. Dewsbury-Hall and Luke Thomas are supoosedly highly rated but I think they're both toss.

Deswbury-Hall just looks like a pound shop Emile Smith Rowe.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on June 06, 2023, 02:50:45 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 06, 2023, 02:48:12 PM
Quote from: paul_e on June 06, 2023, 02:43:37 PM
Whilst we're talking about Leicester the other player I would take a look at is James Justin. I think they've really missed him this year (and he's not as tainted by the relegation as most) and he's versatile enough to be decent cover in a few different positions. Wouldn't want to pay a huge amount though after he's been out for 8months, might need a while to get back to his best.

Can play both left and right back to a decent standard so a replacement for Young.  I like it, that versatility stops the squad getting too bloated. 

Agreed, I'd just prefer Joao Cancelo!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: nigel on June 06, 2023, 02:52:08 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on June 06, 2023, 02:43:37 PM
Whilst we're talking about Leicester the other player I would take a look at is James Justin. I think they've really missed him this year (and he's not as tainted by the relegation as most) and he's versatile enough to be decent cover in a few different positions. Wouldn't want to pay a huge amount though after he's been out for 8months, might need a while to get back to his best.

If I remember correctly we were in for James Justin at the time, but he chose Leicester 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on June 06, 2023, 02:53:22 PM
			

			

				We tried to sign James Justin when he chose Leicester over us. The circumstances were very different for them and us then though. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on June 06, 2023, 02:56:25 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on June 06, 2023, 02:49:48 PM
Quote from: LeeB on June 06, 2023, 02:46:38 PM
Quote from: paul_e on June 06, 2023, 02:43:37 PM
Whilst we're talking about Leicester the other player I would take a look at is James Justin. I think they've really missed him this year (and he's not as tainted by the relegation as most) and he's versatile enough to be decent cover in a few different positions. Wouldn't want to pay a huge amount though after he's been out for 8months, might need a while to get back to his best.

Yes he looked handy. Dewsbury-Hall and Luke Thomas are supoosedly highly rated but I think they're both toss.

Deswbury-Hall just looks like a pound shop Emile Smith Rowe.

More like a poor man's Harry Winks
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on June 06, 2023, 03:00:57 PM
			

			

				Dewsbury-Hall is shit.

I'd take Smith-Rowe ahead of Barnes and wouldn't be shocked if he gets linked to us before long.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on June 06, 2023, 03:02:55 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on June 06, 2023, 02:06:19 PM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on June 06, 2023, 02:00:26 PM
Not keen on Tielemans, part of why we’re good at the moment seems to be a great team spirit and I wouldn’t want some billy big bollox half arsed fucker who only does it when he feels like it to potentially upset that.

As I said earlier though, none of them wanted to play for Rodgers, just like none of our team wanted to play for Gerrard. He'd be coming into a club in great spirits, with a superb manager and a happy squad. At his best he helped them to two 5th placed finishes and the FA Cup.

It's a strange one with Rodgers. Obviously he was their FA Cup winning coach and 2 x 5th placed finishes (granted didn't they bottle CL football both of those seasons late on ?). But last summer he was clearly trying to engineer his firing with the club not spending money, extending contracts etc. Of course he could have always resigned (and likely would have been heavily linked with the likes of Spurs, Chelsea, other clubs if he did so). By hanging on both his reputation, the chairman and the clubs suffered.

As much as he whinged about lack of investment, he still had his expensive flops like Vestergaard on the bench. MON esque behaviour really.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on June 06, 2023, 03:03:45 PM
			

			

				Let Arsenal get Tielemans and we can take Smith-Rowe, finally. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on June 06, 2023, 03:06:19 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: brontebilly on June 06, 2023, 03:02:55 PM
Quote from: Risso on June 06, 2023, 02:06:19 PM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on June 06, 2023, 02:00:26 PM
Not keen on Tielemans, part of why we’re good at the moment seems to be a great team spirit and I wouldn’t want some billy big bollox half arsed fucker who only does it when he feels like it to potentially upset that.

As I said earlier though, none of them wanted to play for Rodgers, just like none of our team wanted to play for Gerrard. He'd be coming into a club in great spirits, with a superb manager and a happy squad. At his best he helped them to two 5th placed finishes and the FA Cup.

It's a strange one with Rodgers. Obviously he was their FA Cup winning coach and 2 x 5th placed finishes (granted didn't they bottle CL football both of those seasons late on ?). But last summer he was clearly trying to engineer his firing with the club not spending money, extending contracts etc. Of course he could have always resigned (and likely would have been heavily linked with the likes of Spurs, Chelsea, other clubs if he did so). By hanging on both his reputation, the chairman and the clubs suffered.

As much as he whinged about lack of investment, he still had his expensive flops like Vestergaard on the bench. MON esque behaviour really.

Despite all that if they'd had a semi-decent keeper and not two Mark Bunn-a-likes I think they'd have been well clear.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on June 06, 2023, 03:09:06 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on June 06, 2023, 03:03:45 PM
Let Arsenal get Tielemans and we can take Smith-Rowe, finally. 

I’d take Tielemans over Smith-Rowe.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on June 06, 2023, 03:10:01 PM
			

			

				We don't want to be like a Hyena, picking every last scrap from the dead carcass of a relegated side, we want prime, fresh meat only.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Pat Mustard on June 06, 2023, 03:12:34 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on June 06, 2023, 02:56:25 PM
Quote from: Risso on June 06, 2023, 02:49:48 PM
Quote from: LeeB on June 06, 2023, 02:46:38 PM
Quote from: paul_e on June 06, 2023, 02:43:37 PM
Whilst we're talking about Leicester the other player I would take a look at is James Justin. I think they've really missed him this year (and he's not as tainted by the relegation as most) and he's versatile enough to be decent cover in a few different positions. Wouldn't want to pay a huge amount though after he's been out for 8months, might need a while to get back to his best.

Yes he looked handy. Dewsbury-Hall and Luke Thomas are supoosedly highly rated but I think they're both toss.

Deswbury-Hall just looks like a pound shop Emile Smith Rowe.

More like a poor man's Harry Winks

Dewsbury-Hall sounds like the kind of place a landfill Indie band play on a Wednesday night.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: rob_bridge on June 06, 2023, 03:15:08 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: brontebilly on June 06, 2023, 03:02:55 PM
Quote from: Risso on June 06, 2023, 02:06:19 PM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on June 06, 2023, 02:00:26 PM
Not keen on Tielemans, part of why we’re good at the moment seems to be a great team spirit and I wouldn’t want some billy big bollox half arsed fucker who only does it when he feels like it to potentially upset that.

As I said earlier though, none of them wanted to play for Rodgers, just like none of our team wanted to play for Gerrard. He'd be coming into a club in great spirits, with a superb manager and a happy squad. At his best he helped them to two 5th placed finishes and the FA Cup.

It's a strange one with Rodgers. Obviously he was their FA Cup winning coach and 2 x 5th placed finishes (granted didn't they bottle CL football both of those seasons late on ?). But last summer he was clearly trying to engineer his firing with the club not spending money, extending contracts etc. Of course he could have always resigned (and likely would have been heavily linked with the likes of Spurs, Chelsea, other clubs if he did so). By hanging on both his reputation, the chairman and the clubs suffered.

As much as he whinged about lack of investment, he still had his expensive flops like Vestergaard on the bench. MON esque behaviour really.

There was ring of MON and Arry - not got enough money for spending, engineering an outball
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on June 06, 2023, 03:15:26 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Pat Mustard on June 06, 2023, 03:12:34 PM
Quote from: LeeB on June 06, 2023, 02:56:25 PM
Quote from: Risso on June 06, 2023, 02:49:48 PM
Quote from: LeeB on June 06, 2023, 02:46:38 PM
Quote from: paul_e on June 06, 2023, 02:43:37 PM
Whilst we're talking about Leicester the other player I would take a look at is James Justin. I think they've really missed him this year (and he's not as tainted by the relegation as most) and he's versatile enough to be decent cover in a few different positions. Wouldn't want to pay a huge amount though after he's been out for 8months, might need a while to get back to his best.

Yes he looked handy. Dewsbury-Hall and Luke Thomas are supoosedly highly rated but I think they're both toss.

Deswbury-Hall just looks like a pound shop Emile Smith Rowe.

More like a poor man's Harry Winks

Dewsbury-Hall sounds like the kind of place a landfill Indie band play on a Wednesday night.

And it would kick off with Nazi skinheads in the crowd
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 06, 2023, 03:19:22 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Pat Mustard on June 06, 2023, 03:12:34 PM
Quote from: LeeB on June 06, 2023, 02:56:25 PM
Quote from: Risso on June 06, 2023, 02:49:48 PM
Quote from: LeeB on June 06, 2023, 02:46:38 PM
Quote from: paul_e on June 06, 2023, 02:43:37 PM
Whilst we're talking about Leicester the other player I would take a look at is James Justin. I think they've really missed him this year (and he's not as tainted by the relegation as most) and he's versatile enough to be decent cover in a few different positions. Wouldn't want to pay a huge amount though after he's been out for 8months, might need a while to get back to his best.

Yes he looked handy. Dewsbury-Hall and Luke Thomas are supoosedly highly rated but I think they're both toss.

Deswbury-Hall just looks like a pound shop Emile Smith Rowe.

More like a poor man's Harry Winks

Dewsbury-Hall sounds like the kind of place a landfill Indie band play on a Wednesday night.

National Trust property somewhere in Kent. 

Built by some obscure Tudor. Fell into disrepair until the family bequeathed it to the nation. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: frank black on June 06, 2023, 03:22:01 PM
			

			

				Tielemans appears to be signing or signed .

Based on my WhatsApp group erupting? Not sure of source, I shall await Percy 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on June 06, 2023, 03:25:43 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 06, 2023, 03:19:22 PM
Quote from: Pat Mustard on June 06, 2023, 03:12:34 PM
Quote from: LeeB on June 06, 2023, 02:56:25 PM
Quote from: Risso on June 06, 2023, 02:49:48 PM
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Quote from: paul_e on June 06, 2023, 02:43:37 PM
Whilst we're talking about Leicester the other player I would take a look at is James Justin. I think they've really missed him this year (and he's not as tainted by the relegation as most) and he's versatile enough to be decent cover in a few different positions. Wouldn't want to pay a huge amount though after he's been out for 8months, might need a while to get back to his best.

Yes he looked handy. Dewsbury-Hall and Luke Thomas are supoosedly highly rated but I think they're both toss.

Deswbury-Hall just looks like a pound shop Emile Smith Rowe.

More like a poor man's Harry Winks

Dewsbury-Hall sounds like the kind of place a landfill Indie band play on a Wednesday night.

National Trust property somewhere in Kent. 

Built by some obscure Tudor. Fell into disrepair until the family bequeathed it to the nation. 

The family then moved into the slightly less grand Manor Solomon. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 06, 2023, 03:25:49 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on June 06, 2023, 03:10:01 PM
We don't want to be like a Hyena, picking every last scrap from the dead carcass of a relegated side, we want prime, fresh meat only.

Indeed. Apart from maybe Barnes anyway. 

I do wonder whether going for 3 time champions league winning Real Madrid players still in their prime (or similar) might be a bit 'run before you can walk' as well. We need to be finding and signing players that are on the cusp of greatness who will get noticed more-so after joining us. See Martinez and Kamara plus plenty of players that the likes of Brighton and other punch above their weight clubs seem to be finding regularly.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on June 06, 2023, 03:28:02 PM
			

			

				Dewsbury-Hall sounds like somewhere you used to go on a school trip. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on June 06, 2023, 03:30:06 PM
			

			

				Dewsbury Hall sounds like a haunted boarding school.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on June 06, 2023, 03:33:11 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: frank black on June 06, 2023, 03:22:01 PM
Tielemans appears to be signing or signed .

Based on my WhatsApp group erupting? Not sure of source, I shall await Percy 

Some nobody on Twitter with a few hundred followers has said that he's signed a four year deal. I wouldn't be getting excited just yet. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on June 06, 2023, 03:35:50 PM
			

			

				Dewsbury Hall sounds like a publisher specialising in titles to do with interior decorating and up-cycling old furniture.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 06, 2023, 03:48:54 PM
			

			

				Or perhaps a BBC period drama set in the 1920's with a very fruity if humourless leading lady, and her overly amiable father and rather rotund and straight-laced butler supporting.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on June 06, 2023, 04:07:30 PM
			

			

				Nah, it's the back page advertisement in the Radio Times opposite the one selling old folk a free pen for taking out life insurance by selling them a freshly baked Plate with a dodgy artists impression of the late Princess Diana dancing with John Travolta.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on June 06, 2023, 04:12:30 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clampy on June 06, 2023, 03:28:02 PM
Dewsbury-Hall sounds like somewhere you used to go on a school trip. 
Yes indeed. Everytime I hear a commentator mention that name I think to myself "have I been there?"
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on June 06, 2023, 04:13:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on June 06, 2023, 03:33:11 PM
Quote from: frank black on June 06, 2023, 03:22:01 PM
Tielemans appears to be signing or signed .

Based on my WhatsApp group erupting? Not sure of source, I shall await Percy 

Some nobody on Twitter with a few hundred followers has said that he's signed a four year deal. I wouldn't be getting excited just yet. 
Good. I can stop being totally disappointed. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Chris Smith on June 06, 2023, 04:16:25 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on June 06, 2023, 03:48:54 PM
Or perhaps a BBC period drama set in the 1920's with a very fruity if humourless leading lady, and her overly amiable father and rather rotund and straight-laced butler supporting.

He’s the softie at a Victorian public school who gets bullied by the Toffs.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on June 06, 2023, 04:27:40 PM
			

			

				Well if the last two pages doesn't make Dewsbury-Hall want to pull on the claret and blue...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on June 06, 2023, 04:44:18 PM
			

			

				No one can sign for anyone until the 14th can they ?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on June 06, 2023, 04:53:04 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: john e on June 06, 2023, 04:44:18 PM
No one can sign for anyone until the 14th can they ?

Well you can agree anything before then, they just don't come into force. That Mac          Allister is supposed to be having a medical at Liverpool, for example.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ian. on June 06, 2023, 04:53:34 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: olaftab on June 06, 2023, 04:12:30 PM
Quote from: Clampy on June 06, 2023, 03:28:02 PM
Dewsbury-Hall sounds like somewhere you used to go on a school trip. 
Yes indeed. Everytime I hear a commentator mention that name I think to myself "have I been there?"

I think it’s in Shropshire.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on June 06, 2023, 05:36:09 PM
			

			

				We're in talks for laporte apparently 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: clash city rocker on June 06, 2023, 05:46:34 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ian. on June 06, 2023, 04:53:34 PM
Quote from: olaftab on June 06, 2023, 04:12:30 PM
Quote from: Clampy on June 06, 2023, 03:28:02 PM
Dewsbury-Hall sounds like somewhere you used to go on a school trip. 
Yes indeed. Everytime I hear a commentator mention that name I think to myself "have I been there?"

I think it’s in Shropshire.

It's an estate in Sandwell. The council changed the name to it to make it more desirable.  Before it was called tatters end.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bobby Boy on June 06, 2023, 06:14:43 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: coreyfeldman on June 06, 2023, 05:36:09 PM
We're in talks for laporte apparently 

He is a good player and didn't get much playing time at Manchester City this season so maybe he would be up for a move.

However, centre back doesn't feel like the most essential part of the team to upgrade and at the £40 million being quoted would represent a significant chunk of our transfer budget for the summer you would imagine.

Unless we are willing to let one of our centre backs leave?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 06, 2023, 06:34:33 PM
			

			

				Too many links to centre backs for us not to be prioritising one. Laporte, Torres, Erickson (Fabrizio Romano) all linked last few days.

Strange as we are well sorted in that position. Does make me wonder if one of Mings / Konsa/ Chambers/ Costa is on the way out. Any two of that lot coming in would give us a very good set to pick from.

Maybe, as good as Mings and Konsa have been, he wants players with a different skill set. Maybe he is just ultra ruthless and wants to make them reserves by increasing the standard.

Whatever happens it is interesting.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 06, 2023, 06:36:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: coreyfeldman on June 06, 2023, 05:36:09 PM
We're in talks for laporte apparently 

I don't see it. Lazy journalism linking us with every 29 year old Spanish defender.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villan82 on June 06, 2023, 06:40:27 PM
			

			

				We will have more games next season so I can see a new CB coming in so that we have more options.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on June 06, 2023, 06:47:03 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on June 06, 2023, 06:36:18 PM
Quote from: coreyfeldman on June 06, 2023, 05:36:09 PM
We're in talks for laporte apparently 

I don't see it. Lazy journalism linking us with every 29 year old Spanish defender.

I'm not convinced that Carlos is going to be the player he was before his injury, so another CB makes sense if he isn't.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 06, 2023, 07:35:55 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on June 06, 2023, 06:47:03 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on June 06, 2023, 06:36:18 PM
Quote from: coreyfeldman on June 06, 2023, 05:36:09 PM
We're in talks for laporte apparently 

I don't see it. Lazy journalism linking us with every 29 year old Spanish defender.

I'm not convinced that Carlos is going to be the player he was before his injury, so another CB makes sense if he isn't.

It was a bit tongue in cheek, what with Carlos and Moreno both being 29 when they joined us. We may as well set up a senior home of semi retired Spanish players (yes I know Carlos is Brazilian). You could well be right about Carlos but unless we're sitting on a very large pile of cash this summer spending £40m (Laporte) or €50m on Pau Torres of Villarreal seems a bit excessive.

I hope we still have money to buy a couple of top strikers, a defensive midfielder, a right back, a new number 10 so I don't have to listen to you slagging off Buendia every week  ;) and of course a goalkeeper who isn't called Olsen.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on June 06, 2023, 07:47:36 PM
			

			

				Sure Chambers will be moved on & Hause obviously….Feeney & Bogarde need to be out on loan so 4 centre halves of Torres, Mings, Carlos and Konsa seems pretty good to me
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on June 06, 2023, 07:48:32 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on June 06, 2023, 06:34:33 PM
Too many links to centre backs for us not to be prioritising one. Laporte, Torres, Erickson (Fabrizio Romano) all linked last few days.

Strange as we are well sorted in that position. Does make me wonder if one of Mings / Konsa/ Chambers/ Costa is on the way out. Any two of that lot coming in would give us a very good set to pick from.

Maybe, as good as Mings and Konsa have been, he wants players with a different skill set. Maybe he is just ultra ruthless and wants to make them reserves by increasing the standard.

Whatever happens it is interesting.

Genuine question - who is Erickson?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on June 06, 2023, 08:24:16 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Gareth on June 06, 2023, 07:47:36 PM
Sure Chambers will be moved on & Hause obviously….Feeney & Bogarde need to be out on loan so 4 centre halves of Torres, Mings, Carlos and Konsa seems pretty good to me

Pretty good collection if you ask me. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 06, 2023, 08:30:28 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 06, 2023, 07:48:32 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on June 06, 2023, 06:34:33 PM
Too many links to centre backs for us not to be prioritising one. Laporte, Torres, Erickson (Fabrizio Romano) all linked last few days.

Strange as we are well sorted in that position. Does make me wonder if one of Mings / Konsa/ Chambers/ Costa is on the way out. Any two of that lot coming in would give us a very good set to pick from.

Maybe, as good as Mings and Konsa have been, he wants players with a different skill set. Maybe he is just ultra ruthless and wants to make them reserves by increasing the standard.

Whatever happens it is interesting.

Genuine question - who is Erickson?

Danish international, played for Chelsea and currently at Barcelona.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on June 06, 2023, 08:31:18 PM
			

			

				I was very impressed by Leicesters Scandinavian left back when they beat us here, think it was his debut. Not a priority position mind. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on June 06, 2023, 08:32:05 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on June 06, 2023, 08:30:28 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 06, 2023, 07:48:32 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on June 06, 2023, 06:34:33 PM
Too many links to centre backs for us not to be prioritising one. Laporte, Torres, Erickson (Fabrizio Romano) all linked last few days.

Strange as we are well sorted in that position. Does make me wonder if one of Mings / Konsa/ Chambers/ Costa is on the way out. Any two of that lot coming in would give us a very good set to pick from.

Maybe, as good as Mings and Konsa have been, he wants players with a different skill set. Maybe he is just ultra ruthless and wants to make them reserves by increasing the standard.

Whatever happens it is interesting.

Genuine question - who is Erickson?

Danish international, played for Chelsea and currently at Barcelona.

You mean Christiansen (sp)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on June 06, 2023, 08:32:16 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on June 06, 2023, 08:30:28 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 06, 2023, 07:48:32 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on June 06, 2023, 06:34:33 PM
Too many links to centre backs for us not to be prioritising one. Laporte, Torres, Erickson (Fabrizio Romano) all linked last few days.

Strange as we are well sorted in that position. Does make me wonder if one of Mings / Konsa/ Chambers/ Costa is on the way out. Any two of that lot coming in would give us a very good set to pick from.

Maybe, as good as Mings and Konsa have been, he wants players with a different skill set. Maybe he is just ultra ruthless and wants to make them reserves by increasing the standard.

Whatever happens it is interesting.

Genuine question - who is Erickson?

Danish international, played for Chelsea and currently at Barcelona.

Isn't that Christensen?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on June 06, 2023, 08:45:58 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pablo_picasso on June 06, 2023, 08:32:16 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on June 06, 2023, 08:30:28 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 06, 2023, 07:48:32 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on June 06, 2023, 06:34:33 PM
Too many links to centre backs for us not to be prioritising one. Laporte, Torres, Erickson (Fabrizio Romano) all linked last few days.

Strange as we are well sorted in that position. Does make me wonder if one of Mings / Konsa/ Chambers/ Costa is on the way out. Any two of that lot coming in would give us a very good set to pick from.

Maybe, as good as Mings and Konsa have been, he wants players with a different skill set. Maybe he is just ultra ruthless and wants to make them reserves by increasing the standard.

Whatever happens it is interesting.

Genuine question - who is Erickson?

Danish international, played for Chelsea and currently at Barcelona.

Isn't that Christensen?

Plus I'm not sure how much I fancy Diego Costa lining up for us at centre-back.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villa in Denmark on June 06, 2023, 08:48:40 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on June 06, 2023, 08:32:05 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on June 06, 2023, 08:30:28 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 06, 2023, 07:48:32 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on June 06, 2023, 06:34:33 PM
Too many links to centre backs for us not to be prioritising one. Laporte, Torres, Erickson (Fabrizio Romano) all linked last few days.

Strange as we are well sorted in that position. Does make me wonder if one of Mings / Konsa/ Chambers/ Costa is on the way out. Any two of that lot coming in would give us a very good set to pick from.

Maybe, as good as Mings and Konsa have been, he wants players with a different skill set. Maybe he is just ultra ruthless and wants to make them reserves by increasing the standard.

Whatever happens it is interesting.

Genuine question - who is Erickson?

Danish international, played for Chelsea and currently at Barcelona.

You mean Christiansen (sp)
Spelled correctly 😀
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on June 06, 2023, 08:49:27 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on June 06, 2023, 08:45:58 PM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on June 06, 2023, 08:32:16 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on June 06, 2023, 08:30:28 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 06, 2023, 07:48:32 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on June 06, 2023, 06:34:33 PM
Too many links to centre backs for us not to be prioritising one. Laporte, Torres, Erickson (Fabrizio Romano) all linked last few days.

Strange as we are well sorted in that position. Does make me wonder if one of Mings / Konsa/ Chambers/ Costa is on the way out. Any two of that lot coming in would give us a very good set to pick from.

Maybe, as good as Mings and Konsa have been, he wants players with a different skill set. Maybe he is just ultra ruthless and wants to make them reserves by increasing the standard.

Whatever happens it is interesting.

Genuine question - who is Erickson?

Danish international, played for Chelsea and currently at Barcelona.

Isn't that Christensen?

Plus I'm not sure how much I fancy Diego Costa lining up for us at centre-back.

Perhaps Rui is coming out of retirement.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on June 06, 2023, 08:50:18 PM
			

			

				He’s looking at center backs because his whole system relies on ball players playing out from the back 
Konsa and Mings are to slow and cumbersome trying to do that and neither are not natural passers of the ball 

It’s not that they are bad defenders just look at the clean sheets, it’s more that everything starts at the back with football and they aren’t a perfect fit to play that way 

There will be changes made in that area for next season imo




			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 06, 2023, 08:53:15 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pablo_picasso on June 06, 2023, 08:32:16 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on June 06, 2023, 08:30:28 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 06, 2023, 07:48:32 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on June 06, 2023, 06:34:33 PM
Too many links to centre backs for us not to be prioritising one. Laporte, Torres, Erickson (Fabrizio Romano) all linked last few days.

Strange as we are well sorted in that position. Does make me wonder if one of Mings / Konsa/ Chambers/ Costa is on the way out. Any two of that lot coming in would give us a very good set to pick from.

Maybe, as good as Mings and Konsa have been, he wants players with a different skill set. Maybe he is just ultra ruthless and wants to make them reserves by increasing the standard.

Whatever happens it is interesting.

Genuine question - who is Erickson?

Danish international, played for Chelsea and currently at Barcelona.

Isn't that Christensen?

Yes sorry - brain fart. Also on further analysis it was a fake 'Romano' account with very few followers so file under total bollocks. Still there do seem a lot of links to centre backs.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gerrin on June 06, 2023, 09:02:13 PM
			

			

				Can definitely see Coutinho being offloaded to one of the Saudi teams now after the recent news this week. Good deal for all parties.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RamboandBruno on June 06, 2023, 09:04:30 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: john e on June 06, 2023, 08:50:18 PM
He’s looking at center backs because his whole system relies on ball players playing out from the back 
Konsa and Mings are to slow and cumbersome trying to do that and neither are not natural passers of the ball 

It’s not that they are bad defenders just look at the clean sheets, it’s more that everything starts at the back with football and they aren’t a perfect fit to play that way 

There will be changes made in that area for next season imo

Id suggest over the last 6 months Mings at least has proven he can play this way. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ventnorVillain on June 06, 2023, 09:08:50 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ian. on June 06, 2023, 04:53:34 PM
Quote from: olaftab on June 06, 2023, 04:12:30 PM
Quote from: Clampy on June 06, 2023, 03:28:02 PM
Dewsbury-Hall sounds like somewhere you used to go on a school trip. 
Yes indeed. Everytime I hear a commentator mention that name I think to myself "have I been there?"

I think it’s in Shropshire.

Welcome to Antiques Roadshow. Coming tonight from the grounds of Dewsbury Hall. Cue theme tune.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on June 06, 2023, 09:13:07 PM
			

			

				Isn’t Dewsbury-Hall a bit of a clogger whereas Smith-Rowe more of an industrious creative type?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on June 06, 2023, 09:13:09 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: RamboandBruno on June 06, 2023, 09:04:30 PM
Quote from: john e on June 06, 2023, 08:50:18 PM
He’s looking at center backs because his whole system relies on ball players playing out from the back 
Konsa and Mings are to slow and cumbersome trying to do that and neither are not natural passers of the ball 

It’s not that they are bad defenders just look at the clean sheets, it’s more that everything starts at the back with football and they aren’t a perfect fit to play that way 

There will be changes made in that area for next season imo

Id suggest over the last 6 months Mings at least has proven he can play this way. 

Yes he’s definitely improved and out of the two he’d be the one to keep
Still too slow though needs to quicken the whole thing up a bit 

We will see what happens it’s down to Emery at the end of the day obviously

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on June 06, 2023, 09:16:18 PM
			

			

				Tyrone can look a little slow to move the ball but you have to remember that on a lot of occasions he’s getting in short from a goal kick and the opposition team have had time to ‘set’ into exactly where their manager wants them to be to counter us, it’s sometimes takes a little time and patience to move them around to a point where he can make the pass we need. 

He’d be one of the last players I’d think about moving out. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on June 06, 2023, 09:18:32 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: RamboandBruno on June 06, 2023, 09:04:30 PM
Quote from: john e on June 06, 2023, 08:50:18 PM
He’s looking at center backs because his whole system relies on ball players playing out from the back 
Konsa and Mings are to slow and cumbersome trying to do that and neither are not natural passers of the ball 

It’s not that they are bad defenders just look at the clean sheets, it’s more that everything starts at the back with football and they aren’t a perfect fit to play that way 

There will be changes made in that area for next season imo

Id suggest over the last 6 months Mings at least has proven he can play this way.
Think, as others have said, that having Mings / Konsa / Carlos / Pau Torres* just makes us look the business in defence. With injuries, suspensions, 5 subs, and European football they should all get plenty of games. Chambers and Hause to be shifted on. Get a decent right back in too, and we'll look very strong right across the back 4.

* Or some other shit hot defender, he's just the first one that comes to mind.

Tielemans coming in would do similar to our midfield. No weak players, and a couple of options in every position.

Could then see us targeting a player to play in Bailey's current position - get them both playing for that spot. Likewise a centre forward to compete with Watkins. 2 players in every position, and even if you pick the "worst" XI then you've still got basically our-squad-this-season type quality.

Genuinely very excited about next season. In all seriousness, I think we could win stuff.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: j66acd on June 06, 2023, 09:19:00 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PeterWithe on June 06, 2023, 08:31:18 PM
I was very impressed by Leicesters Scandinavian left back when they beat us here, think it was his debut. Not a priority position mind. 

He looks like a competition winner in the other Leicester games I watched. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on June 06, 2023, 09:43:13 PM
			

			

				Mings/Konsa/Torres/Carlos and Luiz/Kamara/Tielemens/Ramsey/McGinn would be a very strong spine of the side with Martinez behind. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on June 06, 2023, 09:46:24 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: j66acd on June 06, 2023, 09:19:00 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on June 06, 2023, 08:31:18 PM
I was very impressed by Leicesters Scandinavian left back when they beat us here, think it was his debut. Not a priority position mind. 

He looks like a competition winner in the other Leicester games I watched. 

Yeah? To be honest I didn't really exert myself to watch any other Leicester games. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 06, 2023, 10:12:35 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PeterWithe on June 06, 2023, 09:46:24 PM
Quote from: j66acd on June 06, 2023, 09:19:00 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on June 06, 2023, 08:31:18 PM
I was very impressed by Leicesters Scandinavian left back when they beat us here, think it was his debut. Not a priority position mind. 

He looks like a competition winner in the other Leicester games I watched. 

Yeah? To be honest I didn't really exert myself to watch any other Leicester games.

Yeah, their fans don't rate him although I imagine they think that about most of them.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: newryvillain on June 06, 2023, 11:00:16 PM
			

			

				Christiansen Ericksen 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on June 07, 2023, 01:15:32 AM
			

			

				Someone was suggesting Martinez and Chelsea . I'm not hearing that and 100% not going there. 
The player Villa were interested from Chelsea isn't coming here either he is leaving though.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: sid1964 on June 07, 2023, 06:22:57 AM
			

			

				If we sign another centre back it will be interesting to see how long it will be before Mings and Konsa decide they want away as they are having to sit on the bench for a lot of the games  this could cause issues for Mr. Emery

Emery will want to bring in his own players, who he will want to start, the 11 that started virtually every week last season could be in for a bit of a shock when they are not first choice.

I would not be surprised if a couple of our current starters leave before the end of the transfer window


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: London Villan on June 07, 2023, 07:19:57 AM
			

			

				Not so sure. If we have good cup runs we will be playing 55+ games. No way will our first choice pairing play that many games with suspensions, injuries and rotation. We need 4 quality central defenders to do this. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Demitri_C on June 07, 2023, 08:05:54 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: sid1964 on June 07, 2023, 06:22:57 AM
If we sign another centre back it will be interesting to see how long it will be before Mings and Konsa decide they want away as they are having to sit on the bench for a lot of the games  this could cause issues for Mr. Emery

Emery will want to bring in his own players, who he will want to start, the 11 that started virtually every week last season could be in for a bit of a shock when they are not first choice.

I would not be surprised if a couple of our current starters leave before the end of the transfer window

Yes i think you may be right however ita down to them to play well so the shirt stays theirs.  All the good sides have competitive squads. We need that 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on June 07, 2023, 08:21:34 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: algy on June 06, 2023, 09:18:32 PM

Think, as others have said, that having Mings / Konsa / Carlos / Pau Torres* just makes us look the business in defence. With injuries, suspensions, 5 subs, and European football they should all get plenty of games.

Centre back is a position where you tend to want consistency of selection.  It's also not a position you generally use subs on mid-game, so sharing minutes is unlikely.  Not many clubs could keep four centre backs of that quality happy and tbh I'm not sure we're one of them.  Whilst I guess it's not impossible that we could start the season with that line up, I don't think Mings / Konsa / Carlos would hang around for long as a bit part player.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on June 07, 2023, 08:25:19 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on June 07, 2023, 01:15:32 AM
Someone was suggesting Martinez and Chelsea . I'm not hearing that and 100% not going there. 

FV speaks the truth.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: oldtimernow on June 07, 2023, 08:54:41 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: PeterWithe on June 06, 2023, 09:13:07 PM
Isn’t Dewsbury-Hall a bit of a clogger whereas Smith-Rowe more of an industrious creative type?

Changing the Arsenal guy to an AV -Rowe could suggest that he would be a flier🤔
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: oldtimernow on June 07, 2023, 08:59:33 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: algy on June 06, 2023, 09:18:32 PM
Quote from: RamboandBruno on June 06, 2023, 09:04:30 PM
Quote from: john e on June 06, 2023, 08:50:18 PM
He’s looking at center backs because his whole system relies on ball players playing out from the back 
Konsa and Mings are to slow and cumbersome trying to do that and neither are not natural passers of the ball 

It’s not that they are bad defenders just look at the clean sheets, it’s more that everything starts at the back with football and they aren’t a perfect fit to play that way 

There will be changes made in that area for next season imo

Id suggest over the last 6 months Mings at least has proven he can play this way.
Think, as others have said, that having Mings / Konsa / Carlos / Pau Torres* just makes us look the business in defence. With injuries, suspensions, 5 subs, and European football they should all get plenty of games. Chambers and Hause to be shifted on. Get a decent right back in too, and we'll look very strong right across the back 4.

* Or some other shit hot defender, he's just the first one that comes to mind.

Tielemans coming in would do similar to our midfield. No weak players, and a couple of options in every position.

Could then see us targeting a player to play in Bailey's current position - get them both playing for that spot. Likewise a centre forward to compete with Watkins. 2 players in every position, and even if you pick the "worst" XI then you've still got basically our-squad-this-season type quality.

Genuinely very excited about next season. In all seriousness, I think we could win stuff.

Let’s not get ahead of ourselves, competing would be enough as long as we win this European trophy 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 07, 2023, 09:02:19 AM
			

			

				Tielemans 1/4 to join us now, next best Roma 6/1. Kind of similar to the way the price dropped on Emery.

Be interesting to know where Toney’s money is.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: boozey182 on June 07, 2023, 09:16:19 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on June 07, 2023, 08:21:34 AM
Quote from: algy on June 06, 2023, 09:18:32 PM

Think, as others have said, that having Mings / Konsa / Carlos / Pau Torres* just makes us look the business in defence. With injuries, suspensions, 5 subs, and European football they should all get plenty of games.

Centre back is a position where you tend to want consistency of selection.  It's also not a position you generally use subs on mid-game, so sharing minutes is unlikely.  Not many clubs could keep four centre backs of that quality happy and tbh I'm not sure we're one of them.  Whilst I guess it's not impossible that we could start the season with that line up, I don't think Mings / Konsa / Carlos would hang around for long as a bit part player.

I'm not so sure. I think you're right generally, but I think we could keep four top class CBs happy, if it was managed right. For one, we don't know how badly Carlos has been impacted by his injury - it could be a case that he couldn't manage playing week in week out without building up some fitness. Konsa might be alright coming in for cup games and injuries/suspensions. I think Mings and Torres* would be our first choice pairing (even if they are both left footed).

I want us to build a squad that can compete in the Champions League, and having four excellent CBs is a great way to start that. When we rotate for cup games, we'll have Carlos and Konsa, rather than Chambers and Bednarek. That has to be the goal, and we need to shift our mentality. Finishing 7th is the first step on the ladder.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on June 07, 2023, 09:22:06 AM
			

			

				A decent analysis of Tieleman's game.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on June 07, 2023, 09:22:15 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 06, 2023, 07:48:32 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on June 06, 2023, 06:34:33 PM
Too many links to centre backs for us not to be prioritising one. Laporte, Torres, Erickson (Fabrizio Romano) all linked last few days.

Strange as we are well sorted in that position. Does make me wonder if one of Mings / Konsa/ Chambers/ Costa is on the way out. Any two of that lot coming in would give us a very good set to pick from.

Maybe, as good as Mings and Konsa have been, he wants players with a different skill set. Maybe he is just ultra ruthless and wants to make them reserves by increasing the standard.

Whatever happens it is interesting.

Genuine question - who is Erickson?
And when did we sign Costa?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on June 07, 2023, 09:25:01 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on June 07, 2023, 09:22:06 AM
A decent analysis of Tieleman's game.

Does it have an addendum about “How I relegated Leicester”?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on June 07, 2023, 09:26:29 AM
			

			

				No.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on June 07, 2023, 09:29:31 AM
			

			

				Think CB is a position we are quite strong in, unless Emery doesn't rate Carlos. He should be like a new signing after a full pre season.

RB and RW obviously will be strengthened but after that it's probably a question if the trio of A Ramsey, Iroegbunam and Archer are ready to compete for first team places. We know Emery doesn't do sentiment so he won't have them involved if he doesn't think they are ready. I think we will move on Dendoncker for a more mobile option like Guendouzi too.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Demitri_C on June 07, 2023, 09:30:25 AM
			

			

				Summerville from leeds being linked.  Looks a player but I swear he was one of the leeds players that ignored the fans waiting for them? Dnt know if i would want any of those charchters in our dressing room. Our players make time for us fans which is what I love
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smithy on June 07, 2023, 09:34:27 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: boozey182 on June 07, 2023, 09:16:19 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on June 07, 2023, 08:21:34 AM
Quote from: algy on June 06, 2023, 09:18:32 PM

Think, as others have said, that having Mings / Konsa / Carlos / Pau Torres* just makes us look the business in defence. With injuries, suspensions, 5 subs, and European football they should all get plenty of games.

Centre back is a position where you tend to want consistency of selection.  It's also not a position you generally use subs on mid-game, so sharing minutes is unlikely.  Not many clubs could keep four centre backs of that quality happy and tbh I'm not sure we're one of them.  Whilst I guess it's not impossible that we could start the season with that line up, I don't think Mings / Konsa / Carlos would hang around for long as a bit part player.

I'm not so sure. I think you're right generally, but I think we could keep four top class CBs happy, if it was managed right. For one, we don't know how badly Carlos has been impacted by his injury - it could be a case that he couldn't manage playing week in week out without building up some fitness. Konsa might be alright coming in for cup games and injuries/suspensions. I think Mings and Torres* would be our first choice pairing (even if they are both left footed).

I want us to build a squad that can compete in the Champions League, and having four excellent CBs is a great way to start that. When we rotate for cup games, we'll have Carlos and Konsa, rather than Chambers and Bednarek. That has to be the goal, and we need to shift our mentality. Finishing 7th is the first step on the ladder.

I agree, the aim has to be having a top-class alternative option for EVERY player on the pitch at any given time, so that if they're replaced the quality of the side doesn't change too much.  And that means four good centre-backs.  That also means that some players we currently think of as 'great' first-team players, will become squad players and maybe rack up about 15-20 appearances in a whole season.

Buying central defenders is rarely "sexy".  It's not like buying a top class winger or a goal scorer. You're not going to get excited by their youTube highlights (unless there are couple of towering set-piece headed goals).  BUT, they are sometimes the signings that can make all the difference over a full season.  Liverpool were perennial also-rans until they spunked £80m Van Dijk.  Combined with a world-class goalkeeper they won their first title in a generation.  

We already have the goalkeeper...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: lovejoy on June 07, 2023, 09:39:12 AM
			

			

				Spunked £80 on the best centre back in the world ?

Not seeing many forward linked, don't we need alternatives there more than at CB?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on June 07, 2023, 09:39:22 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: sid1964 on June 07, 2023, 06:22:57 AM
If we sign another centre back it will be interesting to see how long it will be before Mings and Konsa decide they want away as they are having to sit on the bench for a lot of the games  this could cause issues for Mr. Emery

Emery will want to bring in his own players, who he will want to start, the 11 that started virtually every week last season could be in for a bit of a shock when they are not first choice.

I would not be surprised if a couple of our current starters leave before the end of the transfer window

With the injury he had their is no guarantee that Carlos comes back the same player - have to have 4 who you can trust there, can always let one out on loan in Jan if we are out of Europe & Carabao / FA Cup
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on June 07, 2023, 09:48:53 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smithy on June 07, 2023, 09:34:27 AM
Quote from: boozey182 on June 07, 2023, 09:16:19 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on June 07, 2023, 08:21:34 AM
Quote from: algy on June 06, 2023, 09:18:32 PM

Think, as others have said, that having Mings / Konsa / Carlos / Pau Torres* just makes us look the business in defence. With injuries, suspensions, 5 subs, and European football they should all get plenty of games.

Centre back is a position where you tend to want consistency of selection.  It's also not a position you generally use subs on mid-game, so sharing minutes is unlikely.  Not many clubs could keep four centre backs of that quality happy and tbh I'm not sure we're one of them.  Whilst I guess it's not impossible that we could start the season with that line up, I don't think Mings / Konsa / Carlos would hang around for long as a bit part player.

I'm not so sure. I think you're right generally, but I think we could keep four top class CBs happy, if it was managed right. For one, we don't know how badly Carlos has been impacted by his injury - it could be a case that he couldn't manage playing week in week out without building up some fitness. Konsa might be alright coming in for cup games and injuries/suspensions. I think Mings and Torres* would be our first choice pairing (even if they are both left footed).

I want us to build a squad that can compete in the Champions League, and having four excellent CBs is a great way to start that. When we rotate for cup games, we'll have Carlos and Konsa, rather than Chambers and Bednarek. That has to be the goal, and we need to shift our mentality. Finishing 7th is the first step on the ladder.

I agree, the aim has to be having a top-class alternative option for EVERY player on the pitch at any given time, so that if they're replaced the quality of the side doesn't change too much.  And that means four good centre-backs.  That also means that some players we currently think of as 'great' first-team players, will become squad players and maybe rack up about 15-20 appearances in a whole season.

Buying central defenders is rarely "sexy".  It's not like buying a top class winger or a goal scorer. You're not going to get excited by their youTube highlights (unless there are couple of towering set-piece headed goals).  BUT, they are sometimes the signings that can make all the difference over a full season.  Liverpool were perennial also-rans until they spunked £80m Van Dijk.  Combined with a world-class goalkeeper they won their first title in a generation.  

We already have the goalkeeper...
This doesn't change the fact that we won't be able to keep 4 top centre backs happy.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on June 07, 2023, 09:50:35 AM
			

			

				I knew it. Five minutes ago it was 'we don't have the squad to compete on all fronts', now it's 'how would we keep these players happy??'. Like clockwork.

The top of modern football is a squad game and everyone understands this.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on June 07, 2023, 09:53:49 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: boozey182 on June 07, 2023, 09:16:19 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on June 07, 2023, 08:21:34 AM
Quote from: algy on June 06, 2023, 09:18:32 PM

Think, as others have said, that having Mings / Konsa / Carlos / Pau Torres* just makes us look the business in defence. With injuries, suspensions, 5 subs, and European football they should all get plenty of games.

Centre back is a position where you tend to want consistency of selection.  It's also not a position you generally use subs on mid-game, so sharing minutes is unlikely.  Not many clubs could keep four centre backs of that quality happy and tbh I'm not sure we're one of them.  Whilst I guess it's not impossible that we could start the season with that line up, I don't think Mings / Konsa / Carlos would hang around for long as a bit part player.

I'm not so sure. I think you're right generally, but I think we could keep four top class CBs happy, if it was managed right. For one, we don't know how badly Carlos has been impacted by his injury - it could be a case that he couldn't manage playing week in week out without building up some fitness. Konsa might be alright coming in for cup games and injuries/suspensions. I think Mings and Torres* would be our first choice pairing (even if they are both left footed).

I want us to build a squad that can compete in the Champions League, and having four excellent CBs is a great way to start that. When we rotate for cup games, we'll have Carlos and Konsa, rather than Chambers and Bednarek. That has to be the goal, and we need to shift our mentality. Finishing 7th is the first step on the ladder.

This. 

To be successful, we need to build a squad that is capable of competing in all of the games we have coming up. 

And while having continuity with a pairing is important in an ideal world, no two centre backs can play the whole season, every game, every competition, with European games thrown in there. 

And if we want to compete at the highest levels, then we need competent replacements coming in. 

So we need to build a strong squad with quality depth. 

Otherwise, we might as well just pack it all in now.


Quote from: chrisw1 on June 07, 2023, 09:48:53 AM
This doesn't change the fact that we won't be able to keep 4 top centre backs happy. 

How do other top clubs manage it?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on June 07, 2023, 10:00:37 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Monty on June 07, 2023, 09:50:35 AM
I knew it. Five minutes ago it was 'we don't have the squad to compete on all fronts', now it's 'how would we keep these players happy??'. Like clockwork.

The top of modern football is a squad game and everyone understands this.
Of course.  But we're not in the Champions League and the reality is I don't think Konsa and Mings, for instance, will be prepared to stay and be bit part players for Aston Villa, however much you think they should because it's the modern way. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on June 07, 2023, 10:01:11 AM
			

			

				Really hope Diego Carlos isn't finished.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Axl Rose on June 07, 2023, 10:05:17 AM
			

			

				Seeing that video of Tielemans , it just struck me again how wonderful it is that Leicester were relegated.

For me, it's a no. 

Emery would sort him out, though. So ok, sign him up.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 07, 2023, 10:05:28 AM
			

			

				Didn't Carlos come back from his injury, feature in a match, and then not even show on the bench for the last couple of games? 

I may have imagined that bench bit.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on June 07, 2023, 10:06:30 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pablo_picasso on June 07, 2023, 09:53:49 AM

How do other top clubs manage it?
By going deep into the Champions League and cups for a start.  

And outside of Man City & Chelsea, how many other clubs do actually manage it?

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 07, 2023, 10:06:41 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Monty on June 07, 2023, 09:50:35 AM
I knew it. Five minutes ago it was 'we don't have the squad to compete on all fronts', now it's 'how would we keep these players happy??'. Like clockwork.

Next stop: Yeah, but which players should we go for who would actually want to join us?

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on June 07, 2023, 10:12:03 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 07, 2023, 10:06:41 AM
Quote from: Monty on June 07, 2023, 09:50:35 AM
I knew it. Five minutes ago it was 'we don't have the squad to compete on all fronts', now it's 'how would we keep these players happy??'. Like clockwork.

Next stop: Yeah, but which players should we go for who would actually want to join us?

Christ, you're both acting like I said we should be happy if we can get Troy Deeney.  What part of doubting we can keep 4 top centre backs happy right for the reasons I gave justifies this hyperbole?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 07, 2023, 10:17:08 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on June 07, 2023, 10:12:03 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 07, 2023, 10:06:41 AM
Quote from: Monty on June 07, 2023, 09:50:35 AM
I knew it. Five minutes ago it was 'we don't have the squad to compete on all fronts', now it's 'how would we keep these players happy??'. Like clockwork.

Next stop: Yeah, but which players should we go for who would actually want to join us?

Christ, you're both acting like I said we should be happy if we can get Troy Deeney.  What part of doubting we can keep 4 top centre backs happy right for the reasons I gave justifies this hyperbole?

I didn't even see your original post, was just replying in the context of what Monty said.

It's like that all the time here.

See also: I hope we don't get into Europe this year in case it impacts our ability to get into Europe next year - that's a fresh one this season.

And of course, the great managerial question - "Who is our there who we could get who would do a better job? NAME THEM!"  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on June 07, 2023, 10:28:19 AM
			

			

				Yeah sorry Chris, didn't want to single you out! Just a thing I think we've got to get used to: thinking differently about the squad. Even the last time we had some relative success we were the most resolutely old-school first-eleven-and-stand-ins side in the league. We've never really had a top class squad as the modern game understands it, and Pau Torres on the bench is just one of those things.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on June 07, 2023, 10:30:13 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 07, 2023, 10:17:08 AM

And of course, the great managerial question - "Who is our there who we could get who would do a better job? NAME THEM!"  

For the first time ever, I feel completely confident in saying, without fear of challenge:

Absolutely fucking nobody.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on June 07, 2023, 10:31:06 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 07, 2023, 10:05:28 AM
Didn't Carlos come back from his injury, feature in a match, and then not even show on the bench for the last couple of games? 

I may have imagined that bench bit.

Basically. Based on not much more than this I think he's essentially fucked, and won't be back properly.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on June 07, 2023, 10:37:09 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on June 07, 2023, 10:31:06 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 07, 2023, 10:05:28 AM
Didn't Carlos come back from his injury, feature in a match, and then not even show on the bench for the last couple of games? 

I may have imagined that bench bit.

Basically. Based on not much more than this I think he's essentially fucked, and won't be back properly.
He was on the bench v Spurs.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on June 07, 2023, 10:41:49 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Monty on June 07, 2023, 10:28:19 AM
Yeah sorry Chris, didn't want to single you out! Just a thing I think we've got to get used to: thinking differently about the squad. Even the last time we had some relative success we were the most resolutely old-school first-eleven-and-stand-ins side in the league. We've never really had a top class squad as the modern game understands it, and Pau Torres on the bench is just one of those things.
I definitely agree we need to be ambitious and build a squad and I've said similar stuff myself before - particularly in relation to forwards.  I do think it's harder to give defenders game time but even so I'd be happy if we signed Torres and see how things shake out.  But equally, I wouldn't be too anxious if we start next season with Mings, Konsa and a fit Carlos and spent our money elsewhere.  That's partly because I have an extremely high opinion of Mings though.   
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 07, 2023, 10:42:16 AM
			

			

				If we're going to just bumble around mid table forever then a decent back up keeper and 1 new forward to replace Ings in the squad should be enough. If we're going to give it our best shot at top 6 next season and actually trying to win the 3 cups we're in, we need to do more;
The 2 mentioned plus a center back, center mid and a creative attacking player. Plus a right back if we're not keeping Young. And maybe a young 3rd keeper if the ones we have aren't up to it.

Looking at the big picture at center back, Mings has been immense for 6 months or so and should keep his place as it stands, but was always error prone before. Konsa has been a lot better for the last 6 months but was first on the list for replacement in the whole team before that. Carlos has played 2 games in the PL and then had a year long injury and Chambers after a decent start for us did not look convincing there last season, if anything looked a bit better in midfield. So yes, if we're serious we should buy another, and as pointed out someone who is excellent at playing the ball out.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on June 07, 2023, 10:42:39 AM
			

			

				Diego had a run-about at Wolves briefly but didn't feature again and wasn't even on the bench the last game or two. 

Missing a year of football at his age is really tough, so I'm hoping for the best and expecting the worst. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 07, 2023, 10:48:44 AM
			

			

				Konsa relies heavily on Mings when it comes to passing out from the back so I can see Emery seeking a player that’s more comfortable on the ball.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on June 07, 2023, 10:49:24 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on June 07, 2023, 10:42:39 AM
Diego had a run-about at Wolves briefly but didn't feature again and wasn't even on the bench the last game or two. 

Missing a year of football at his age is really tough, so I'm hoping for the best and expecting the worst.
He was on the Bench v Spurs,
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 07, 2023, 10:51:28 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ChicagoLion on June 07, 2023, 10:49:24 AM
Quote from: eamonn on June 07, 2023, 10:42:39 AM
Diego had a run-about at Wolves briefly but didn't feature again and wasn't even on the bench the last game or two. 

Missing a year of football at his age is really tough, so I'm hoping for the best and expecting the worst.
He was on the Bench v Spurs,

But then nowhere to be seen last two matches. Probably nothing in it, but just thought it was a bit odd at the time.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on June 07, 2023, 10:51:50 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ChicagoLion on June 07, 2023, 10:49:24 AM
Quote from: eamonn on June 07, 2023, 10:42:39 AM
Diego had a run-about at Wolves briefly but didn't feature again and wasn't even on the bench the last game or two. 

Missing a year of football at his age is really tough, so I'm hoping for the best and expecting the worst.
He was on the Bench v Spurs,

And then wasn't part of the squads at Anfield or for the last game with Brighton.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on June 07, 2023, 10:57:26 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ChicagoLion on June 07, 2023, 10:37:09 AM
Quote from: Risso on June 07, 2023, 10:31:06 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 07, 2023, 10:05:28 AM
Didn't Carlos come back from his injury, feature in a match, and then not even show on the bench for the last couple of games? 

I may have imagined that bench bit.

Basically. Based on not much more than this I think he's essentially fucked, and won't be back properly.
He was on the bench v Spurs.

I understood that with his type of injury there is a fairly high chance of it recurring if not managed properly. So we will see what happens in pre-season and if he gets a few 90 minutes then.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on June 07, 2023, 11:05:11 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on June 07, 2023, 10:06:30 AM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on June 07, 2023, 09:53:49 AM

How do other top clubs manage it?
By going deep into the Champions League and cups for a start.  

And outside of Man City & Chelsea, how many other clubs do actually manage it?

So how are we meant to go deep in cups & qualify for Champs League without quality depth?

Maybe we act like a big club & give games to the backup CB's when others are injured, suspended, low on form, in the cups, in the Conference League?

Nobody is saying we need 4 CBs like Baresi, Beckenbaur, Kohler & Costacurta on the books all at once. 

But I think we are at the stage in our development where players like Konsa & Mings have to take a step back to stay at the club. 

Maybe not both, but one of them does. 

Especially if we are going to be playing out from the back as while they have done a sterling job, it is not their natural game & there are far better CBs out there who do it more naturally.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulTheVillan on June 07, 2023, 11:08:35 AM
			

			

				Wonder if The Donk will be moved on if Tielemans does sign?

Imagine Luton will sign Nakamba.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 07, 2023, 11:14:59 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pablo_picasso on June 07, 2023, 11:05:11 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on June 07, 2023, 10:06:30 AM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on June 07, 2023, 09:53:49 AM

How do other top clubs manage it?
By going deep into the Champions League and cups for a start.  

And outside of Man City & Chelsea, how many other clubs do actually manage it?

So how are we meant to go deep in cups & qualify for Champs League without quality depth?

Maybe we act like a big club & give games to the backup CB's when others are injured, suspended, low on form, in the cups, in the Conference League?

Nobody is saying we need 4 CBs like Baresi, Beckenbaur, McGrath & Costacurta on the books all at once. 

But I think we are at the stage in our development where players like Konsa & Mings have to take a step back to stay at the club. 

Maybe not both, but one of them does. 

Especially if we are going to be playing out from the back as while they have done a sterling job, it is not their natural game & there are far better CBs out there who do it more naturally.

Fixed.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on June 07, 2023, 11:15:38 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on June 07, 2023, 11:14:59 AM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on June 07, 2023, 11:05:11 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on June 07, 2023, 10:06:30 AM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on June 07, 2023, 09:53:49 AM

How do other top clubs manage it?
By going deep into the Champions League and cups for a start.  

And outside of Man City & Chelsea, how many other clubs do actually manage it?

So how are we meant to go deep in cups & qualify for Champs League without quality depth?

Maybe we act like a big club & give games to the backup CB's when others are injured, suspended, low on form, in the cups, in the Conference League?

Nobody is saying we need 4 CBs like Baresi, Beckenbaur, McGrath & Costacurta on the books all at once. 

But I think we are at the stage in our development where players like Konsa & Mings have to take a step back to stay at the club. 

Maybe not both, but one of them does. 

Especially if we are going to be playing out from the back as while they have done a sterling job, it is not their natural game & there are far better CBs out there who do it more naturally.

Fixed.

Baresi would agree.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brend'Watkins on June 07, 2023, 11:16:04 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pablo_picasso on June 07, 2023, 11:05:11 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on June 07, 2023, 10:06:30 AM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on June 07, 2023, 09:53:49 AM

How do other top clubs manage it?
By going deep into the Champions League and cups for a start.  

And outside of Man City & Chelsea, how many other clubs do actually manage it?

So how are we meant to go deep in cups & qualify for Champs League without quality depth?

Maybe we act like a big club & give games to the backup CB's when others are injured, suspended, low on form, in the cups, in the Conference League?

Nobody is saying we need 4 CBs like Baresi, Beckenbaur, Kohler & Costacurta on the books all at once. 

But I think we are at the stage in our development where players like Konsa & Mings have to take a step back to stay at the club. 

Maybe not both, but one of them does. 

Especially if we are going to be playing out from the back as while they have done a sterling job, it is not their natural game & there are far better CBs out there who do it more naturally.

They were not the greatest at it initially which is to be expected as it's a new concept to their game.  Both have massively improved at it over time with coaching. Another CB would be good (Not Maguire though) as I think Carlos has an air of Ivo Stas about him.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 07, 2023, 11:20:52 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Monty on June 07, 2023, 11:15:38 AM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on June 07, 2023, 11:14:59 AM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on June 07, 2023, 11:05:11 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on June 07, 2023, 10:06:30 AM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on June 07, 2023, 09:53:49 AM

How do other top clubs manage it?
By going deep into the Champions League and cups for a start.  

And outside of Man City & Chelsea, how many other clubs do actually manage it?

So how are we meant to go deep in cups & qualify for Champs League without quality depth?

Maybe we act like a big club & give games to the backup CB's when others are injured, suspended, low on form, in the cups, in the Conference League?

Nobody is saying we need 4 CBs like Baresi, Beckenbaur, McGrath & Costacurta on the books all at once. 

But I think we are at the stage in our development where players like Konsa & Mings have to take a step back to stay at the club. 

Maybe not both, but one of them does. 

Especially if we are going to be playing out from the back as while they have done a sterling job, it is not their natural game & there are far better CBs out there who do it more naturally.

Fixed.

Baresi would agree.

I thought Cannavaro was a bit better than Costacurta as well but i'm probably just being picky.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on June 07, 2023, 11:30:27 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on June 07, 2023, 11:20:52 AM
Quote from: Monty on June 07, 2023, 11:15:38 AM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on June 07, 2023, 11:14:59 AM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on June 07, 2023, 11:05:11 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on June 07, 2023, 10:06:30 AM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on June 07, 2023, 09:53:49 AM

How do other top clubs manage it?
By going deep into the Champions League and cups for a start.  

And outside of Man City & Chelsea, how many other clubs do actually manage it?

So how are we meant to go deep in cups & qualify for Champs League without quality depth?

Maybe we act like a big club & give games to the backup CB's when others are injured, suspended, low on form, in the cups, in the Conference League?

Nobody is saying we need 4 CBs like Baresi, Beckenbaur, McGrath & Costacurta on the books all at once. 

But I think we are at the stage in our development where players like Konsa & Mings have to take a step back to stay at the club. 

Maybe not both, but one of them does. 

Especially if we are going to be playing out from the back as while they have done a sterling job, it is not their natural game & there are far better CBs out there who do it more naturally.

Fixed.

Baresi would agree.

I thought Cannavaro was a bit better than Costacurta as well but i'm probably just being picky.

It doesn’t matter if McGrath is there :-)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on June 07, 2023, 11:32:59 AM
			

			

				Re: Carlos missing the Liverpool/Brighton games, Emery did say that he had picked up a knock. Nothing serious, just meant missing the last 2 games. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Scott Nielsen on June 07, 2023, 11:33:37 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on June 07, 2023, 11:20:52 AM
I thought Cannavaro was a bit better than Costacurta as well but i'm probably just being picky.

I am convinced Baresi and Costacurta is the greatest centreback pairing in the history of the game. With the addition of Maldini and Tassotti you have the greatest back four ever. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on June 07, 2023, 11:40:59 AM
			

			

				Maldini's probably the best left back (when full-backs were first and foremost defenders). Even though he was naturally right footed and put a lot of time into developing his left. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: rob_bridge on June 07, 2023, 11:45:29 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 07, 2023, 10:48:44 AM
Konsa relies heavily on Mings when it comes to passing out from the back so I can see Emery seeking a player that’s more comfortable on the ball.

Konsa is not a first choice Top6 CB. Squad player yes. Neither is Cash a Top6 first choice as RB or Bailey or Bert as RF/RW. We have no fit for purpose back up keeper either.

If we want to make the step up these need addressing/upgrades. 

If Carlos is a busted flush then CB defo an area to strengthen
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on June 07, 2023, 11:46:41 AM
			

			

				I think it's not unreasonable to consider Carlos as a risk right now so he'd be the 4th choice which means we're looking for a replacement for Chambers as the 3rd genuine starter option. If Carlos gets fully fit and back to the level he was then great we've got 4 starting standard centre backs and we might need to review that next summer.

Torres being a leftie doesn't worry me but it does seem to be something that a lot of fans get overly concerned about. If we had 2 right-footed centre backs no one would care but people automatically assume 2 left-footers will have problems, it's nonsense, good coaching and players learning how to play together will work that out.

Longer term I wouldn't be surprised if, when one of the 4 leaves, we don't replace them directly and instead we leave space for Feeney and have Kamara/Dendoncker/New DM as the cover if we need an experienced option at centre half for a run of games.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: FatSam on June 07, 2023, 11:50:44 AM
			

			

				I really hope we can have some decent runs in the domestic cups and Europe, as well as being competitive in the league. The fact that we only played games 41 games across all competitions last season, whilst there are teams who will have played almost 20 more is pretty stark. The way I see it, the more games you play, the more presence you have, and the more relevant you become. This will clearly need more squad depth and quality. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on June 07, 2023, 12:03:19 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: FatSam on June 07, 2023, 11:50:44 AM
I really hope we can have some decent runs in the domestic cups and Europe, as well as being competitive in the league. The fact that we only played games 41 games across all competitions last season, whilst there are teams who will have played almost 20 more is pretty stark. The way I see it, the more games you play, the more presence you have, and the more relevant you become. This will clearly need more squad depth and quality.

Yep, potentially 65 games if we go the distance in all competitions. With that many games you need depth. We have to aim for it.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on June 07, 2023, 12:12:13 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on June 07, 2023, 10:42:39 AM
Diego had a run-about at Wolves briefly but didn't feature again and wasn't even on the bench the last game or two. 

Missing a year of football at his age is really tough, so I'm hoping for the best and expecting the worst. 

If the medical staff are still concerned I hope none of them saw him carrying Duggie around the pitch on his shoulders after the Brighton game.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on June 07, 2023, 12:15:33 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PeterWithe on June 07, 2023, 12:12:13 PM
Quote from: eamonn on June 07, 2023, 10:42:39 AM
Diego had a run-about at Wolves briefly but didn't feature again and wasn't even on the bench the last game or two. 

Missing a year of football at his age is really tough, so I'm hoping for the best and expecting the worst. 

If the medical staff are still concerned I hope none of them saw him carrying Duggie around the pitch on his shoulders after the Brighton game.
After a vigorous pre match warm up.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on June 07, 2023, 12:24:37 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on June 07, 2023, 11:14:59 AM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on June 07, 2023, 11:05:11 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on June 07, 2023, 10:06:30 AM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on June 07, 2023, 09:53:49 AM

How do other top clubs manage it?
By going deep into the Champions League and cups for a start.  

And outside of Man City & Chelsea, how many other clubs do actually manage it?

So how are we meant to go deep in cups & qualify for Champs League without quality depth?

Maybe we act like a big club & give games to the backup CB's when others are injured, suspended, low on form, in the cups, in the Conference League?

Nobody is saying we need 4 CBs like Baresi, Beckenbaur, McGrath & Costacurta on the books all at once. 

But I think we are at the stage in our development where players like Konsa & Mings have to take a step back to stay at the club. 

Maybe not both, but one of them does. 

Especially if we are going to be playing out from the back as while they have done a sterling job, it is not their natural game & there are far better CBs out there who do it more naturally.

Fixed.

Jebus H. Christ, how could I forget McGrath?!?

Cheers for the correction... 👍

Quote from: Clark W Griswold on June 07, 2023, 11:20:52 AM
I thought Cannavaro was a bit better than Costacurta as well but i'm probably just being picky.

Great player, but the height differences give Costacurta the edge for me. 

Quote from: Brend'Watkins on June 07, 2023, 11:16:04 AM
They were not the greatest at it initially which is to be expected as it's a new concept to their game.  Both have massively improved at it over time with coaching. Another CB would be good (Not Maguire though) as I think Carlos has an air of Ivo Stas about him.

Oh, I agree they have improved. 

And a lot. 

I have made the correction to my own concerns made known on this very site.

But there are players out there who do it better than they do. 

Konsa especially. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on June 07, 2023, 12:24:52 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on June 07, 2023, 11:46:41 AM
Longer term I wouldn't be surprised if, when one of the 4 leaves, we don't replace them directly and instead we leave space for Feeney and have Kamara/Dendoncker/New DM as the cover if we need an experienced option at centre half for a run of games.

That must be at least a couple of years away. He's got to go out on loan next season for his first loan, probably at a league 1 or 2 side. Then, assuming that goes well, a season in the Championship. I would have thought going straight to a Championship side would be a bit much. 

Sounds like Bogarde's done well at Bristol Rovers so it will be interesting to see whether he can get a loan move to a championship side. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Vegas on June 07, 2023, 12:29:04 PM
			

			

				I can’t remember exactly, but were the Gerrard signings Coutinho, Carlos and Digne? If so - Jesus. Aside from his ego, lack of man management and lack of tactics, he’s left us with 3 expensive, relatively old, not fit for purpose players.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Chris Smith on June 07, 2023, 12:32:27 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Vegas on June 07, 2023, 12:29:04 PM
I can’t remember exactly, but were the Gerrard signings Coutinho, Carlos and Digne? If so - Jesus. Aside from his ego, lack of man management and lack of tactics, he’s left us with 3 expensive, relatively old, not fit for purpose players.

He also signed Kamara who is clearly a talent. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Vegas on June 07, 2023, 12:34:25 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Chris Smith on June 07, 2023, 12:32:27 PM
Quote from: Vegas on June 07, 2023, 12:29:04 PM
I can’t remember exactly, but were the Gerrard signings Coutinho, Carlos and Digne? If so - Jesus. Aside from his ego, lack of man management and lack of tactics, he’s left us with 3 expensive, relatively old, not fit for purpose players.

He also signed Kamara who is clearly a talent.

Yep - fair enough, great signing
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on June 07, 2023, 12:37:29 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on June 07, 2023, 12:24:52 PM
Quote from: paul_e on June 07, 2023, 11:46:41 AM
Longer term I wouldn't be surprised if, when one of the 4 leaves, we don't replace them directly and instead we leave space for Feeney and have Kamara/Dendoncker/New DM as the cover if we need an experienced option at centre half for a run of games.

That must be at least a couple of years away. He's got to go out on loan next season for his first loan, probably at a league 1 or 2 side. Then, assuming that goes well, a season in the Championship. I would have thought going straight to a Championship side would be a bit much. 

Sounds like Bogarde's done well at Bristol Rovers so it will be interesting to see whether he can get a loan move to a championship side.

There is Kerr Smith to consider for the CB slot long term too. Him & Feeney both need Championship loans. 

Bogarde did well at Bristol Rovers, but mostly at CDM. By all accounts, it sounds like he has performed like Iroegbunam. Lots of pace, breaking up play, driving forward with the ball, simple passing, etc. 

He is versatile player so could be useful for the squad in the longer term, depending on where we are competing at that time. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on June 07, 2023, 12:54:11 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Vegas on June 07, 2023, 12:29:04 PM
I can’t remember exactly, but were the Gerrard signings Coutinho, Carlos and Digne? If so - Jesus. Aside from his ego, lack of man management and lack of tactics, he’s left us with 3 expensive, relatively old, not fit for purpose players.

Harsh, he can't have foreseen Carlos' injury and if it wasn't for Gerrard, I'm not sure we would have got Kamara (though he may have been seduced by Emery in the same circumstances).
Loading the highest wages at the club onto Coutinho and Digne was dumb-dumb but I blame Purslow for that who would have been seen as wanting to back "his" man.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on June 07, 2023, 12:54:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Vegas on June 07, 2023, 12:29:04 PM
I can’t remember exactly, but were the Gerrard signings Coutinho, Carlos and Digne? If so - Jesus. Aside from his ego, lack of man management and lack of tactics, he’s left us with 3 expensive, relatively old, not fit for purpose players.

Don't think Gerrard can be blamed for Carlos injury in his second game. Other two should have been avoided, we were just mugged off by Barca really with Coutinho. At the risk of sounding like a broken record....James Rodriguezzzz 😂 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 07, 2023, 12:57:32 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: brontebilly on June 07, 2023, 12:54:18 PM
Quote from: Vegas on June 07, 2023, 12:29:04 PM
I can’t remember exactly, but were the Gerrard signings Coutinho, Carlos and Digne? If so - Jesus. Aside from his ego, lack of man management and lack of tactics, he’s left us with 3 expensive, relatively old, not fit for purpose players.

Don't think Gerrard can be blamed for Carlos injury in his second game. Other two should have been avoided, we were just mugged off by Barca really with Coutinho. At the risk of sounding like a broken record....James Rodriguezzzz 😂 

Bit harsh on Coutinho, who was an exciting signing and did well when he first came in on loan. I think if he stays we will see better performances from in in the European games where his lack of pace will be less of an issue. He clearly still has a lot of skill.

Having said that, I would not be at all surprised to see him head to the Saudi league this summer where his wages and age will not be a problem.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smithy on June 07, 2023, 01:00:52 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pablo_picasso on June 07, 2023, 12:37:29 PM
Quote from: OCD on June 07, 2023, 12:24:52 PM
Quote from: paul_e on June 07, 2023, 11:46:41 AM
Longer term I wouldn't be surprised if, when one of the 4 leaves, we don't replace them directly and instead we leave space for Feeney and have Kamara/Dendoncker/New DM as the cover if we need an experienced option at centre half for a run of games.

That must be at least a couple of years away. He's got to go out on loan next season for his first loan, probably at a league 1 or 2 side. Then, assuming that goes well, a season in the Championship. I would have thought going straight to a Championship side would be a bit much. 

Sounds like Bogarde's done well at Bristol Rovers so it will be interesting to see whether he can get a loan move to a championship side.

There is Kerr Smith to consider for the CB slot long term too. Him & Feeney both need Championship loans. 

Bogarde did well at Bristol Rovers, but mostly at CDM. By all accounts, it sounds like he has performed like Iroegbunam. Lots of pace, breaking up play, driving forward with the ball, simple passing, etc. 

He is versatile player so could be useful for the squad in the longer term, depending on where we are competing at that time. 

Feeney and Smith are both only 18 (Feeney only just), so I would be surprised to see them loaned out this coming season considering they are centre-backs, and still growing.  It's not like like they are attacking players who could be used from the bench to change games.  They'd either be starting, or not playing at all - and they're not going to be starting in the Championship unless someone has an injury crisis.

I suspect they'll both be key parts of our U23 PL2 campaign this coming season, then next year, with another year of growing and filling out under their belts, they might be ready for a loan (much like Bogarde was halfway through this season).  I really think it depends on physicality at their age in their position. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on June 07, 2023, 01:02:26 PM
			

			

				Feeney is going to be an absolute beast. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on June 07, 2023, 01:06:57 PM
			

			

				Carlos has hardly played enough to judge him, and at 30 has plenty of time left. Coutinho has had no links with moves, and I think can still do a job under Emery, in fact I think he'll do really well when fit.

Digne was an opportunistic signing, and a definite improvement on Targett. However, his style isn't a great fit for Emery with Young at Right Back, but could prove to be much better with Cash and another RB.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on June 07, 2023, 01:10:59 PM
			

			

				"If you're good enough, you're old enough" is something that I think applies perfectly to Feeney. Lets not forget he was part of the first team squad at Fleetwood when we signed him, I think he'd cope fine in the championship next year, and there are plenty of teams that will need players like him in that league.

Look at someone like Levi Colwill as an example who played 30 odd games for Huddersfield at the same age.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 07, 2023, 01:11:16 PM
			

			

				I don't think you can grumble at Gerrards signings other than Olsen. They've either been good, not bad or unfortunate. It's just that Gerrard had no idea what to do with them, or the rest of the squad for that matter.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smithy on June 07, 2023, 01:12:49 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on June 07, 2023, 01:06:57 PM
Carlos has hardly played enough to judge him, and at 30 has plenty of time left. Coutinho has had no links with moves, and I think can still do a job under Emery, in fact I think he'll do really well when fit.

Digne was an opportunistic signing, and a definite improvement on Targett. However, his style isn't a great fit for Emery with Young at Right Back, but could prove to be much better with Cash and another RB.

I would be stunned if Coutinho went this summer, given he hasn't played for several months and has been battling a hamstring injury since November.  Surely no one is going to spend big money on his wages off the back of that?

Personally, I'd like to see him fit and firing under Emery, as I think he could still be a huge asset.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smithy on June 07, 2023, 01:20:53 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on June 07, 2023, 01:10:59 PM
"If you're good enough, you're old enough" is something that I think applies perfectly to Feeney. Lets not forget he was part of the first team squad at Fleetwood when we signed him, I think he'd cope fine in the championship next year, and there are plenty of teams that will need players like him in that league.

Look at someone like Levi Colwill as an example who played 30 odd games for Huddersfield at the same age.

I agree, but as I said, physicality is a big part of whether defenders are ready for first-team football, and young players develop physically at different ages. There are 17 year olds built like grown men, and players who still look like kids at 19. Go and look at images of Colwill playing for Huddersfield.  Then look at photos of Feeney for the U23 this season.  I agree that Feeney is an absolute top-class prospect, but he strikes me as someone who still has some filling out to do.

Of course, he may just be a skinny player, like a smaller Crouch, but at just turned 18, I think it's too early to say either way.  Jack looked quite lightweight at 18, but by 21 players were bouncing off him (when he wanted them too, rather than taking the foul).

But I agree, I think Feeney is going to be ace in a few years time.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: rob_bridge on June 07, 2023, 01:26:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Vegas on June 07, 2023, 12:29:04 PM
I can’t remember exactly, but were the Gerrard signings Coutinho, Carlos and Digne? If so - Jesus. Aside from his ego, lack of man management and lack of tactics, he’s left us with 3 expensive, relatively old, not fit for purpose players.

High wages little sell on value too.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Richard E on June 07, 2023, 01:29:12 PM
			

			

				None of those three are duff signings from an ability perspective.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on June 07, 2023, 01:36:32 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: rob_bridge on June 07, 2023, 01:26:18 PM
Quote from: Vegas on June 07, 2023, 12:29:04 PM
I can’t remember exactly, but were the Gerrard signings Coutinho, Carlos and Digne? If so - Jesus. Aside from his ego, lack of man management and lack of tactics, he’s left us with 3 expensive, relatively old, not fit for purpose players.

High wages little sell on value too.

Carlos was fit for purpose, he just got a really bad injury, which nobody could have foreseen. Digne very much is fit for purpose. He's on high wages, but he's easily good enough for where we are now, and proved his value when Moreno was injured. Coutinho hasn't really lived up to the hype due to a succession of injuries but if he can get fit and stay fit, he could still be an important player.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulTheVillan on June 07, 2023, 02:06:40 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Vegas on June 07, 2023, 12:29:04 PM
I can’t remember exactly, but were the Gerrard signings Coutinho, Carlos and Digne? If so - Jesus. Aside from his ego, lack of man management and lack of tactics, he’s left us with 3 expensive, relatively old, not fit for purpose players.
At least he got us Kamara.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on June 07, 2023, 02:08:03 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulTheVillan on June 07, 2023, 02:06:40 PM
Quote from: Vegas on June 07, 2023, 12:29:04 PM
I can’t remember exactly, but were the Gerrard signings Coutinho, Carlos and Digne? If so - Jesus. Aside from his ego, lack of man management and lack of tactics, he’s left us with 3 expensive, relatively old, not fit for purpose players.
At least he got us Kamara.

I think he was the final thing with the personal visit etc. But we'd been on the case for a while hadn't we? The same applies to Duran. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on June 07, 2023, 02:17:44 PM
			

			

				But Bouba must have been excited by someone he would have admired as a kid trying to seduce him (foootballingly, not sexually).
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: frank black on June 07, 2023, 02:19:33 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on June 07, 2023, 01:36:32 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on June 07, 2023, 01:26:18 PM
Quote from: Vegas on June 07, 2023, 12:29:04 PM
I can’t remember exactly, but were the Gerrard signings Coutinho, Carlos and Digne? If so - Jesus. Aside from his ego, lack of man management and lack of tactics, he’s left us with 3 expensive, relatively old, not fit for purpose players.

High wages little sell on value too.

Carlos was fit for purpose, he just got a really bad injury, which nobody could have foreseen. Digne very much is fit for purpose. He's on high wages, but he's easily good enough for where we are now, and proved his value when Moreno was injured. Coutinho hasn't really lived up to the hype due to a succession of injuries but if he can get fit and stay fit, he could still be an important player.

TBF Coutinho was relatively shite before his injuries. Although from memory didn’t he have a good game prior to breaking down? What a frustrating player he is. He could easily be the best player in our squad one game and then our worst for several matches.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: jwarry on June 07, 2023, 02:49:07 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smithy on June 07, 2023, 01:20:53 PM
Quote from: paul_e on June 07, 2023, 01:10:59 PM
"If you're good enough, you're old enough" is something that I think applies perfectly to Feeney. Lets not forget he was part of the first team squad at Fleetwood when we signed him, I think he'd cope fine in the championship next year, and there are plenty of teams that will need players like him in that league.

Look at someone like Levi Colwill as an example who played 30 odd games for Huddersfield at the same age.

I agree, but as I said, physicality is a big part of whether defenders are ready for first-team football, and young players develop physically at different ages. There are 17 year olds built like grown men, and players who still look like kids at 19. Go and look at images of Colwill playing for Huddersfield.  Then look at photos of Feeney for the U23 this season.  I agree that Feeney is an absolute top-class prospect, but he strikes me as someone who still has some filling out to do.

Of course, he may just be a skinny player, like a smaller Crouch, but at just turned 18, I think it's too early to say either way.  Jack looked quite lightweight at 18, but by 21 players were bouncing off him (when he wanted them too, rather than taking the foul).

But I agree, I think Feeney is going to be ace in a few years time.

Gareth Barry didn’t look out of place at 17
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SamTheMouse on June 07, 2023, 03:22:09 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: rob_bridge on June 07, 2023, 11:45:29 AM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 07, 2023, 10:48:44 AM
Konsa relies heavily on Mings when it comes to passing out from the back so I can see Emery seeking a player that’s more comfortable on the ball.

Konsa is not a first choice Top6 CB. Squad player yes. 

I know what you mean but, to be fair, we already have empirical proof that he is a top 7 centre-back, and that's having played under a charlatan for part of the season.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on June 07, 2023, 03:52:08 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on June 07, 2023, 02:17:44 PM
But Bouba must have been excited by someone he would have admired as a kid trying to seduce him (foootballingly, not sexually).

"Look me in the eye" takes on a new meaning
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on June 07, 2023, 04:24:42 PM
			

			

				The Saudi government have just bought the top 4 teams in the country, I think they will be buying a lot of older players who's name is bigger than their likely current impact. I can certainly see an interest in Coutinho from there. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on June 07, 2023, 04:32:34 PM
			

			

				These clubs in Saudi Arabia need Coutinho, Chambers, Nakamba, Traore, Bailey and Dendoncker.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on June 07, 2023, 04:52:59 PM
			

			

				The Saudi money is going to change football forever over the next few years isn’t it 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 07, 2023, 04:55:15 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: olaftab on June 07, 2023, 04:32:34 PM
These clubs in Saudi Arabia need Coutinho, Chambers, Nakamba, Traore, Bailey and Dendoncker.

Add Olsen and that’s a squad that wins the Atari Soccer Sixes. You can’t put a price on that kind of success.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on June 07, 2023, 05:06:03 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: john e on June 07, 2023, 04:52:59 PM
The Saudi money is going to change football forever over the next few years isn’t it

It’s sad, but yeah. Football is on the slippery slope and it won’t be long until it’s ruined forever.

But at least some rich wankers got richer and some oil states had a nice pissing contest.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 07, 2023, 05:08:46 PM
			

			

				With the recent golf stuff Saudi money is going to change a lot of sports as they aren't stopping any time soon.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 07, 2023, 05:16:59 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 07, 2023, 04:55:15 PM
Quote from: olaftab on June 07, 2023, 04:32:34 PM
These clubs in Saudi Arabia need Coutinho, Chambers, Nakamba, Traore, Bailey and Dendoncker.

Add Olsen and that’s a squad that wins the Atari Soccer Sixes. You can’t put a price on that kind of success.

I remember going to that one year with some school friends.

Mo Johnson was there, playing for Watford I think (memory fades).

One of our group (and I have a feeling there is a chance this might have been Neil Moxley as he used to hang around with us a bit) got into a heated argument with him (whilst he was sat on the bench). 

I think friend had asked for an autograph or something innocuous and he got shitty.

Anyway, I always thought Johnson was a ****** after that. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on June 07, 2023, 05:28:08 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: frank black on June 07, 2023, 02:19:33 PM
Quote from: Risso on June 07, 2023, 01:36:32 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on June 07, 2023, 01:26:18 PM
Quote from: Vegas on June 07, 2023, 12:29:04 PM
I can’t remember exactly, but were the Gerrard signings Coutinho, Carlos and Digne? If so - Jesus. Aside from his ego, lack of man management and lack of tactics, he’s left us with 3 expensive, relatively old, not fit for purpose players.

High wages little sell on value too.

Carlos was fit for purpose, he just got a really bad injury, which nobody could have foreseen. Digne very much is fit for purpose. He's on high wages, but he's easily good enough for where we are now, and proved his value when Moreno was injured. Coutinho hasn't really lived up to the hype due to a succession of injuries but if he can get fit and stay fit, he could still be an important player.

TBF Coutinho was relatively shite before his injuries. Although from memory didn’t he have a good game prior to breaking down? What a frustrating player he is. He could easily be the best player in our squad one game and then our worst for several matches.

Relatively shite? He had one decent game for us pre injury last season, Arsenal at home. He was rubbish in nearly every other one, including Stevenage. His career has been on the slide for years pre Villa, unfortunately his loan form was only a temporary improvement, he regressed as soon as he had the permanent deal in the bag.

Digne, for the contract we gave him, is really average too in every facet on his play. Moreno adds so much more and proved that within a few weeks. They were just two lazy signings when we already had Targett and Buendia. We tore up whatever strategy we were meant to be following when we got these two and Ings in. I'd be stunned if both didn't follow Ings out the door this summer. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on June 07, 2023, 05:33:52 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 07, 2023, 05:16:59 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 07, 2023, 04:55:15 PM
Quote from: olaftab on June 07, 2023, 04:32:34 PM
These clubs in Saudi Arabia need Coutinho, Chambers, Nakamba, Traore, Bailey and Dendoncker.

Add Olsen and that’s a squad that wins the Atari Soccer Sixes. You can’t put a price on that kind of success.

I remember going to that one year with some school friends.

Mo Johnson was there, playing for Watford I think (memory fades).

One of our group (and I have a feeling there is a chance this might have been Neil Moxley as he used to hang around with us a bit) got into a heated argument with him (whilst he was sat on the bench). 

I think friend had asked for an autograph or something innocuous and he got shitty.

Anyway, I always thought Johnson was a ****** after that. 

Didn't they only play the Atari 6-a-side twice?

From memory SHA won it on the night we were playing Barcelona in the Super Cup, then the year after (or after that) both Villa and SHA played in it, with predictable results, a copper or security guard was CS gassed and it was never played again. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on June 07, 2023, 05:39:30 PM
			

			

				I must be out on my own here but I actually enjoyed watching Coutinho play 
just thought the way he received and moved the ball around was classy 

Not suggesting he has been a success, far from it 
But I still wouldn’t write him off just yet 


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 07, 2023, 05:39:33 PM
			

			

				Small heath won it twice. It started as a thing for Midlands teams and then went to all top flight sides. It lasted about a decade iirc.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Hairbandinho on June 07, 2023, 05:58:28 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: john e on June 07, 2023, 04:52:59 PM
The Saudi money is going to change football forever over the next few years isn’t it

They don't seem to understand that nobody cares about their league, and still won't.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: WarszaVillan on June 07, 2023, 06:04:37 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PeterWithe on June 07, 2023, 05:33:52 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 07, 2023, 05:16:59 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 07, 2023, 04:55:15 PM
Quote from: olaftab on June 07, 2023, 04:32:34 PM
These clubs in Saudi Arabia need Coutinho, Chambers, Nakamba, Traore, Bailey and Dendoncker.

Add Olsen and that’s a squad that wins the Atari Soccer Sixes. You can’t put a price on that kind of success.

I remember going to that one year with some school friends.

Mo Johnson was there, playing for Watford I think (memory fades).

One of our group (and I have a feeling there is a chance this might have been Neil Moxley as he used to hang around with us a bit) got into a heated argument with him (whilst he was sat on the bench). 

I think friend had asked for an autograph or something innocuous and he got shitty.

Anyway, I always thought Johnson was a ****** after that. 

Didn't they only play the Atari 6-a-side twice?

From memory SHA won it on the night we were playing Barcelona in the Super Cup, then the year after (or after that) both Villa and SHA played in it, with predictable results, a copper or security guard was CS gassed and it was never played again. 

I went to it one year. Kenny Swain was playing for Forest.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: jwarry on June 07, 2023, 06:05:07 PM
			

			

				Tell that to world of Golf.  It’s a classic move, buy everyone and everything, then create your own league, and then hey presto they want to merge with you 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: enigma on June 07, 2023, 06:07:06 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pablo_picasso on June 07, 2023, 09:53:49 AM
How do other top clubs manage it?
I don't think they do which is why the likes of Maguire and Laporte are looking to move on. There's always going to be a certain amount of churn as players look for more game time elsewhere.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 07, 2023, 06:51:14 PM
			

			

				We've been linked with a Benfica midfielder today along with AC Milan and Lyon. Florentino something or other. I know nothing about him as I ignore everything to do with that plastic, gloryhunting bag of red shite of a club.

My guess is we're going to be linked with hundreds of players this summer. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Meanwood Villa on June 07, 2023, 07:54:37 PM
			

			

				https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soccer_Six


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Meanwood Villa on June 07, 2023, 07:55:47 PM
			

			

				That's in response to the discussion on the previous page
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Meanwood Villa on June 07, 2023, 07:57:51 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Hairbandinho on June 07, 2023, 05:58:28 PM
Quote from: john e on June 07, 2023, 04:52:59 PM
The Saudi money is going to change football forever over the next few years isn’t it

They don't seem to understand that nobody cares about their league, and still won't.

This. No matter who's playing over there people don't give a shit about the teams in that league so it will never be more popular than the European leagues.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on June 07, 2023, 08:06:30 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Meanwood Villa on June 07, 2023, 07:57:51 PM
Quote from: Hairbandinho on June 07, 2023, 05:58:28 PM
Quote from: john e on June 07, 2023, 04:52:59 PM
The Saudi money is going to change football forever over the next few years isn’t it

They don't seem to understand that nobody cares about their league, and still won't.

This. No matter who's playing over there people don't give a shit about the teams in that league so it will never be more popular than the European leagues.

they buy some of the big European teams flood the game with money and take control 
Then start their own European + league

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: devilla on June 07, 2023, 08:06:35 PM
			

			

				Deleted, wrong thread.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on June 07, 2023, 08:11:59 PM
			

			

				The world will decarbonise, without constant inflows of western, Chinese and Indian cash the kingdom will finally implode (along with the two emirates), and we'll be back to normal.

That's assuming this sports project doesn't go the way of the Chinese one and is suddenly shut down, which it might well be.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on June 07, 2023, 08:38:00 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Meanwood Villa on June 07, 2023, 07:57:51 PM
Quote from: Hairbandinho on June 07, 2023, 05:58:28 PM
Quote from: john e on June 07, 2023, 04:52:59 PM
The Saudi money is going to change football forever over the next few years isn’t it

They don't seem to understand that nobody cares about their league, and still won't.

This. No matter who's playing over there people don't give a shit about the teams in that league so it will never be more popular than the European leagues.
Yep, agree.

The best case scenario they have is that in 25 years time it's looked upon in a similar way to MLS. Which, to be fair to the yanks, has done well for itself. However, it's still probably only on a par with, say, the third tier of European leagues (Dutch, Belgian, Portuguese, Ukrainian) even in the friendliest assessments. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on June 07, 2023, 09:11:28 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: algy on June 07, 2023, 08:38:00 PM
Quote from: Meanwood Villa on June 07, 2023, 07:57:51 PM
Quote from: Hairbandinho on June 07, 2023, 05:58:28 PM
Quote from: john e on June 07, 2023, 04:52:59 PM
The Saudi money is going to change football forever over the next few years isn’t it

They don't seem to understand that nobody cares about their league, and still won't.

This. No matter who's playing over there people don't give a shit about the teams in that league so it will never be more popular than the European leagues.
Yep, agree.

The best case scenario they have is that in 25 years time it's looked upon in a similar way to MLS. Which, to be fair to the yanks, has done well for itself. However, it's still probably only on a par with, say, the third tier of European leagues (Dutch, Belgian, Portuguese, Ukrainian) even in the friendliest assessments. 

No one cared about golf players playing for Liv in Saudi
Now they they own the PGA tour 


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 07, 2023, 09:44:15 PM
			

			

				Florentino Luís is the Benfica player we've been linked with if anybody is interested.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on June 07, 2023, 10:10:04 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on June 07, 2023, 09:44:15 PM
Florentino Luís is the Benfica player we've been linked with if anybody is interested.

Supposed to be a good player.  DCM. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Astnor on June 07, 2023, 10:17:37 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on June 07, 2023, 10:10:04 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on June 07, 2023, 09:44:15 PM
Florentino Luís is the Benfica player we've been linked with if anybody is interested.

Supposed to be a good player.  DCM.
According to Wiki he has a buy out clause like 120 million Euros - better be good then.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 07, 2023, 11:24:04 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Astnor on June 07, 2023, 10:17:37 PM
Quote from: Steve67 on June 07, 2023, 10:10:04 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on June 07, 2023, 09:44:15 PM
Florentino Luís is the Benfica player we've been linked with if anybody is interested.

Supposed to be a good player.  DCM.
According to Wiki he has a buy out clause like 120 million Euros - better be good then.

€40m being mentioned over here.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: jwarry on June 08, 2023, 03:46:43 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on June 07, 2023, 11:24:04 PM
Quote from: Astnor on June 07, 2023, 10:17:37 PM
Quote from: Steve67 on June 07, 2023, 10:10:04 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on June 07, 2023, 09:44:15 PM
Florentino Luís is the Benfica player we've been linked with if anybody is interested.

Supposed to be a good player.  DCM.
According to Wiki he has a buy out clause like 120 million Euros - better be good then.

€40m being mentioned over here.

Looking at his YT clips he has a bit of a young Casimiro about him and would fit perfectly 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on June 08, 2023, 08:29:43 AM
			

			

				Interesting article in the Athletic;

https://theathletic.com/4584801/2023/06/08/aston-villa-transfer-window-emery/ (https://theathletic.com/4584801/2023/06/08/aston-villa-transfer-window-emery/)

"Emery is now the most powerful figure at the club behind NSWE, though, so he will have the overriding say on new arrivals."

"Villa allowed midfielders Morgan Sanson and Marvelous Nakamba to leave on loan in January and have no plans to reintegrate them back into the team."

"Villa are happy with their current midfield options, especially Douglas Luiz, Boubacar Kamara, John McGinn and Jacob Ramsey, but would like further competition and see Tielemans on a free as good business."
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: rob_bridge on June 08, 2023, 09:13:49 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on June 08, 2023, 08:29:43 AM
Interesting article in the Athletic;

https://theathletic.com/4584801/2023/06/08/aston-villa-transfer-window-emery/ (https://theathletic.com/4584801/2023/06/08/aston-villa-transfer-window-emery/)

"Emery is now the most powerful figure at the club behind NSWE, though, so he will have the overriding say on new arrivals."

"Villa allowed midfielders Morgan Sanson and Marvelous Nakamba to leave on loan in January and have no plans to reintegrate them back into the team."

"Villa are happy with their current midfield options, especially Douglas Luiz, Boubacar Kamara, John McGinn and Jacob Ramsey, but would like further competition and see Tielemans on a free as good business."

Add Tielmans of 2019-2021 and that is a midfield worth £250m
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: oldtimernow on June 08, 2023, 09:28:38 AM
			

			

				Solid, with an element of flair in each, not spectacular but just the sort of basis for a successful project.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on June 08, 2023, 10:46:27 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on June 08, 2023, 08:29:43 AM
Interesting article in the Athletic;

https://theathletic.com/4584801/2023/06/08/aston-villa-transfer-window-emery/ (https://theathletic.com/4584801/2023/06/08/aston-villa-transfer-window-emery/)

"Emery is now the most powerful figure at the club behind NSWE, though, so he will have the overriding say on new arrivals."

"Villa allowed midfielders Morgan Sanson and Marvelous Nakamba to leave on loan in January and have no plans to reintegrate them back into the team."

"Villa are happy with their current midfield options, especially Douglas Luiz, Boubacar Kamara, John McGinn and Jacob Ramsey, but would like further competition and see Tielemans on a free as good business."

Full article

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Aston Villa’s summer transfer window: Tielemans, Lo Celso and Goncalves among targets for Europe-bound Villa

By Gregg Evans

“We will add some different players for the project but the most important players are here now.”

That was Unai Emery speaking in the final week of the season before Aston Villa secured their place in the Europa Conference League after collecting 49 points from 25 games under the Spaniard’s control.

Villa have built a strong squad over the past three to four seasons and have players at the peak age of their careers tied down to long contracts. Finding the missing pieces of the jigsaw this summer could be crucial to the next stage of their journey.

Emery will have funds to spend and is expected to dig into the Spanish market, weigh up options in Italy and Portugal, and also look at picking up a bargain deal closer to home.

Here’s what to expect this summer.

Last three summer window spends

Villa’s net spend over the last two years is around £40million, partly because of the £100million sale of Jack Grealish to Manchester City in August 2021.

The money they have invested over the last three summer windows looks like this:

  • 2022-23: £55million
  • 2021-22: £88million
  • 2020-2021: £78million

How much money is likely to be available this summer?

There’s room for significant investment in new players because Villa slowed down their spending last season and worked with a tighter squad, although there are no plans to overspend in pursuit of success.

Villa’s “big spenders” tag has changed slightly in recent times as they have become more savvy. Granted, Diego Carlos and Philippe Coutinho cost £43million between them, but there were specific reasons to sign both; Carlos because of his versatility and experience in Europe and Coutinho to appease former manager Steven Gerrard after the Brazilian did just about enough during a loan spell to justify a permanent move.

The bargain deals Villa were able to strike with Boubacar Kamara (free) and Alex Moreno (£12million) helped even things out, though.

There was also a calculated risk to not spend big in Emery’s first window in January.

Emery was comfortable tackling Villa’s matches after the World Cup break with a small squad and also seeing out the final 18 games of the season with those already at the club.

That has enabled more freedom this summer to move things around as Emery was promised serious backing when he agreed to join in November.

Villa are prepared to flex their muscles but will still have a challenge to land top talent ahead of other established Champions League clubs.

Who makes the key decisions over signings?

Expect to see a change in the process as Emery and his ever-growing support network get stuck into reshaping Villa’s squad.

For the past five years, Villa have worked around a strategy loosely termed the “triangle of power”, where the head coach and sporting director report into CEO Christian Purslow.

That has worked relatively well and allowed both Dean Smith and Steven Gerrard the opportunity to identify or prioritise targets. Johan Lange, the sporting director, has also worked closely alongside the head of recruitment, Rob Mackenzie, his chief scouts, and a talented team of data experts to draw up a list of options in each position and then, alongside Purslow, pitch to the owners Nassef Sawiris and Wes Edens.

Emery is now the most powerful figure at the club behind NSWE, though, so he will have the overriding say on new arrivals. His off-field assistant Damia Vidagany will help, as will Alberto Benito and Pablo Rodriguez, two new additions to the global recruitment team who Emery has known for two decades.

Villa say that Benito will work alongside Mackenzie while Lange is expected to remain in a senior position within Villa’s holding company V Sports. There’s room for a new sporting director-type figure after Mateu Alemany decided to stay as the director of football at Barcelona.

What positions are priority?

Central midfield and across the forward line.

Villa allowed midfielders Morgan Sanson and Marvelous Nakamba to leave on loan in January and have no plans to reintegrate them back into the team.

Emery also tried to sign a replacement in the last window and was keen on the Juventus man Weston McKennie but the USMNT midfielder’s loan move to Leeds United was already close to completion, so Villa could not move quickly enough to compete. It’s understood they have since moved onto other targets.

Villa’s forward options have also been limited since Danny Ings’ sale to West Ham United in January. Ideally, Emery would like a wide player who can also play down the middle. He’s happy with the top scorer Ollie Watkins but wants further competition.

It wouldn’t be a surprise to see a new centre-back, right-back, and goalkeeper either. Villa need additional numbers this season as they prepare for the Europa Conference League.

Emery will look at some of the club’s youngsters over the summer to see whether any are ready to step up. Cameron Archer, the striker who spent the second half of the season on loan at Middlesbrough, stands the best chance.

Who are known targets?

Already, the rumour mill is in full swing and Villa have been linked with dozens of players.

Emery has a long list of names under consideration, some of whom have already been reported and others that remain private.

When Marco Asensio made it clear he was leaving Real Madrid upon the expiration of his contract, Villa quickly registered their interest, but he is expected to move to Paris Saint-Germain. It remains to be seen whether Sporting star Pedro Goncalves, 24, who scored 20 goals and set up 15 more in 2022-23, is worth the huge investment of around £60million. Signing a player of such value would see Villa almost double their record transfer fee.

Athletic Club’s Nico Williams is another option and Emery is keen on Tottenham’s Giovani Lo Celso, who he worked with at Villarreal and PSG.

As reported earlier this week, Youri Tielemans is a target following his exit from relegated Leicester City. Villa are happy with their current midfield options, especially Douglas Luiz, Boubacar Kamara, John McGinn and Jacob Ramsey, but would like further competition and see Tielemans on a free as good business.

Emery still rates Matteo Guendouzi but Marseille want a transfer fee in the region of £25million if he leaves and that might be too expensive.

If Villa decide to recruit another high-level centre-back, then Pau Torres is top of the list. He is expected to leave Villarreal this season. Other options in Italy and Portugal are under consideration, but Villa will only be signing one player in this department as they already have Tyrone Mings, Ezri Konsa and Diego Carlos.

Valencia’s Georgian goalkeeper Giorgi Mamardashvili is another player under consideration, as The Athletic reported last month.

Who is an outside name to keep an eye on?

Leeds United’s Tyler Adams. The central midfielder, 24, captained the USMNT at the World Cup and is expected to leave Leeds this summer following relegation. Villa have him on a list of potential options.

Who could be heading out?

Ashley Young and Jed Steer have already departed as Villa decided against extending their deals.

Sanson spent the second half of the season on loan at Strasbourg and the French club would like to keep him, but still have to negotiate terms. Likewise with Nakamba, who helped Luton Town win promotion from the Championship.

Robin Olsen, Calum Chambers and Bertrand Traore may also look to play regularly elsewhere as new arrivals this summer will push them further down the pecking order.

Jhon Duran could be considered for a short-term loan move to get him up to speed following his January move from Chicago Fire. The 19-year-old Colombia international is rated highly but has yet to start a game for Villa.


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 08, 2023, 10:47:26 AM
			

			

				Listening to Leeds fans, we dodged a bullet the size of a house not signing McKennie in January.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 08, 2023, 11:05:14 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 08, 2023, 10:47:26 AM
Listening to Leeds fans, we dodged a bullet the size of a house not signing McKennie in January.


I really hope it was all bollocks 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: NorthYvillan on June 08, 2023, 11:16:27 AM
			

			

				Horrible rumour on BBC gossip from Football Insider" that we are interested in Harry McGuire - Hope this is complete b****cks
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 08, 2023, 11:16:31 AM
			

			

				Honestly, i think that most of us could have wrote that. If you've been watching the Villa for the last several months, done a bit of maths and have been listening to the transfer rumors so far. Nothing insightful, i mean he does suggest that we're going to spend some money but not too much money which i can only assume is his opinion plucked out of thin air.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 08, 2023, 11:18:24 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: NorthYvillan on June 08, 2023, 11:16:27 AM
Horrible rumour on BBC gossip from Football Insider" that we are interested in Harry McGuire - Hope this is complete b****cks

Football Insider, LOL.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RichardBatchelor on June 08, 2023, 11:18:52 AM
			

			

				Maguire - no thanks. Nowhere near as good as Mings and Konsa. If he’s happy being back up and doesn’t cost much, why not, otherwise nope.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on June 08, 2023, 11:22:54 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: john e on June 07, 2023, 05:39:30 PM
I must be out on my own here but I actually enjoyed watching Coutinho play 
just thought the way he received and moved the ball around was classy 

Not suggesting he has been a success, far from it 
But I still wouldn’t write him off just yet 
No doubt a superb footballer. Just his goal v man city that extended our lead to 2-0 was a classic in technique, guile and accuracy. We have had him at the wrong time and next time we need to recruit a younger version of him in his prime. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: jwarry on June 08, 2023, 11:32:36 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: olaftab on June 08, 2023, 11:22:54 AM
Quote from: john e on June 07, 2023, 05:39:30 PM
I must be out on my own here but I actually enjoyed watching Coutinho play 
just thought the way he received and moved the ball around was classy 

Not suggesting he has been a success, far from it 
But I still wouldn’t write him off just yet 
No doubt a superb footballer. Just his goal v man city that extended our lead to 2-0 was a classic in technique, guile and accuracy. We have had him at the wrong time and next time we need to recruit a younger version of him in his prime. 

To be fair we haven’t yet properly seen him in a fully functioning Emery side, where he has a clear role and responsibility.  Of course it will come down to whether Unai fancies him but if he does, I think we will see a very different player next season 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on June 08, 2023, 11:37:09 AM
			

			

				The only question is can he stay fit long enough to get up to full speed, or is he going to keep breaking down before getting the chance?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on June 08, 2023, 11:49:50 AM
			

			

				I think there could be games where Emery completely unleashes Coutinho to devastating effect.

But, it all depends on if Coutinho is up for being a squad player and not the main man.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on June 08, 2023, 11:55:22 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on June 08, 2023, 11:49:50 AM
I think there could be games where Emery completely unleashes Coutinho to devastating effect.

But, it all depends on if Coutinho is up for being a squad player and not the main man.

I think he'll be ok and realistic about it, I don't question his attitude at all. In the 5 subs era, it may be that he can extend his top level career if he adapts to being a kind of 20-30 'finisher' at the end of games, coming on against tired legs with a bit more space to operate in
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 08, 2023, 12:09:06 PM
			

			

				https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-12173415/Giovani-Lo-Celso-wants-LEAVE-Tottenham-join-Aston-Villa.html



Dont know if he is that good , leave it to our manager , he obviously likes  him
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: rob_bridge on June 08, 2023, 12:12:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 08, 2023, 11:18:24 AM
Quote from: NorthYvillan on June 08, 2023, 11:16:27 AM
Horrible rumour on BBC gossip from Football Insider" that we are interested in Harry McGuire - Hope this is complete b****cks

Football Insider, LOL.

Indeed. You can imagine them - 3 x 20 somethings in their bedrooms, who take a break from FifA and Championship manager to spout out this crap
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on June 08, 2023, 12:15:35 PM
			

			

				If Emery wants him fine, but Levy can fuck off with his £20 to £25M price. £10M at the most.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smithy on June 08, 2023, 12:28:04 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: rob_bridge on June 08, 2023, 12:12:17 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 08, 2023, 11:18:24 AM
Quote from: NorthYvillan on June 08, 2023, 11:16:27 AM
Horrible rumour on BBC gossip from Football Insider" that we are interested in Harry McGuire - Hope this is complete b****cks

Football Insider, LOL.

Indeed. You can imagine them - 3 x 20 somethings in their bedrooms, who take a break from FifA and Championship manager to spout out this crap

If we are to continue playing with a relatively high line, then there is simply no way that Emery is going to want a centre-half with the turning circle of an oil tanker in the side.  No matter how good he is on the ball, or at passing, or bringing the ball out.  No chance.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SamTheMouse on June 08, 2023, 12:38:08 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: rob_bridge on June 08, 2023, 12:12:17 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 08, 2023, 11:18:24 AM
Quote from: NorthYvillan on June 08, 2023, 11:16:27 AM
Horrible rumour on BBC gossip from Football Insider" that we are interested in Harry McGuire - Hope this is complete b****cks

Football Insider, LOL.

Indeed. You can imagine them - 3 x 20 somethings in their bedrooms, who take a break from FifA and Championship manager to spout out this crap

I think a lot of what they publish is actual trolling.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ajmant on June 08, 2023, 12:46:22 PM
			

			

				Not sure this is the place or if its commented on elsewhere but Liverpool signing MacAllister for £35 is a bargain. Quality player. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 08, 2023, 12:48:13 PM
			

			

				It is. You can't buy a new Villa top as cheap as that these days.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ajmant on June 08, 2023, 12:49:19 PM
			

			

				ha! This is true. £35 million!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 08, 2023, 12:51:40 PM
			

			

				:-)

Yes, good player wish he was coming here to be honest.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Pat Mustard on June 08, 2023, 12:55:47 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ajmant on June 08, 2023, 12:46:22 PM
Not sure this is the place or if its commented on elsewhere but Liverpool signing MacAllister for £35 is a bargain. Quality player.

Interesting for what this means for Brighton's model though - if they are losing their top talents for the kind of money we paid for Buendia then I don't see how sustainable it is long term.  Liverpool could probably flip him tomorrow for double that fee.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on June 08, 2023, 12:59:42 PM
			

			

				Surprised it’s only 35mil
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on June 08, 2023, 01:04:36 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Pat Mustard on June 08, 2023, 12:55:47 PM
Quote from: ajmant on June 08, 2023, 12:46:22 PM
Not sure this is the place or if its commented on elsewhere but Liverpool signing MacAllister for £35 is a bargain. Quality player.

Interesting for what this means for Brighton's model though - if they are losing their top talents for the kind of money we paid for Buendia then I don't see how sustainable it is long term.  Liverpool could probably flip him tomorrow for double that fee.

Sooner or later they’ll have a bad year of recruitment, not happened yet though.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on June 08, 2023, 01:11:08 PM
			

			

				I am surprised at £35m, seems like there was a release clause. Ouch.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 08, 2023, 01:20:28 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 08, 2023, 10:47:26 AM
Listening to Leeds fans, we dodged a bullet the size of a house not signing McKennie in January.

Listening to Leeds fans, they'd be gutted if we signed Tyler Adams. He's the one player they have that they actually highly rate.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on June 08, 2023, 01:22:34 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on June 08, 2023, 01:11:08 PM
I am surprised at £35m, seems like there was a release clause. Ouch.

It's like the Delph one where he actually deserves some credit as he could've walked away for nothing this summer had he not signed it before the World Cup
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on June 08, 2023, 01:27:36 PM
			

			

				Tyler Adams is a very decent player and would thrive under Unai. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on June 08, 2023, 01:29:58 PM
			

			

				Not directly linked to current speculation, though I think our starting four in midfield - Kamara, Luiz, SJM, and Ramsey - are absolute quality. 

Outside of Citeh, I don't know that there is a better midfield four in the PL - even accounting for my bias ;)

SJM is the oldest at 28 by several years, so they could be at the heart of our team for years.

And given some of the terrible deals the Villa have done over the years, it is remarkable that collectively they have cost c.£30m. UTV.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 08, 2023, 02:02:43 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on June 08, 2023, 01:27:36 PM
Tyler Adams is a very decent player and would thrive under Unai. 

Having not previously played under Emery I doubt he's on our radar.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smithy on June 08, 2023, 02:06:57 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Pat Mustard on June 08, 2023, 12:55:47 PM
Quote from: ajmant on June 08, 2023, 12:46:22 PM
Not sure this is the place or if its commented on elsewhere but Liverpool signing MacAllister for £35 is a bargain. Quality player.

Interesting for what this means for Brighton's model though - if they are losing their top talents for the kind of money we paid for Buendia then I don't see how sustainable it is long term.  Liverpool could probably flip him tomorrow for double that fee.

They paid about £7m for him when he had just turned 20. I would say getting a good few years of decent service out of him and then making an almost £30m profit on him is EXACTLY how their model is supposed to work? There's another £20m on top if Liverpool win everything while he's there (unlikely, but they could win a few things during his contract).

Yes, they'll never be able to build a side capable of winning the league this way, but they'll certainly be able to be competitive in the top half of the Premier League if they keep finding players like him every couple of years.

EDIT: They'll probably lose Caicedo this summer too, for more than £35m.  But this year they've also had Mitoma, Enciso and Ferguson all emerge as strong first-team players, and very sellable assets for the next couple of years.  Brighton are good at what they do.  It's not a model that works for everyone (for example, we probably couldn't afford to give a player like Caicedo the 10-15 games he needed to find his feet at Premier League level - we need our bought in players delivering from their first appearance).  I still want us looking for uncut gems, obviously, but I see the majority of our signings being a bit more established, and a bit more of a known quality under Emery.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 08, 2023, 02:24:08 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on June 08, 2023, 01:11:08 PM
I am surprised at £35m, seems like there was a release clause. Ouch.

The release clause was said to be between £45m and £55m. When I read they got him for a value below the release clause I never imagined it would be £35m. Apparently there are £20m in add-ons. Plus he signed a new contract in October as his contract was to end this month so he basically did a Delph.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on June 08, 2023, 03:05:07 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on May 31, 2023, 08:01:14 AM
Quote from: sid1964 on May 31, 2023, 07:56:30 AM
Supposedly we are looking to sign Rodrigo from Leeds

Not the marquee signing we were hoping for but a solid player and versatile too. 

Not sure what it’d mean for Archer though as he’d surely be the first reserve rather than a starter (once we land some big guns).

Talk on Leeds forums that his relegation release clause is only £3m. We should be all over it at that price.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smithy on June 08, 2023, 03:18:32 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on June 08, 2023, 03:05:07 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on May 31, 2023, 08:01:14 AM
Quote from: sid1964 on May 31, 2023, 07:56:30 AM
Supposedly we are looking to sign Rodrigo from Leeds

Not the marquee signing we were hoping for but a solid player and versatile too. 

Not sure what it’d mean for Archer though as he’d surely be the first reserve rather than a starter (once we land some big guns).

Talk on Leeds forums that his relegation release clause is only £3m. We should be all over it at that price.

£3m is bugger all, but he is 32, so I wonder if he's looked at as a short-term option could can deliver today to let our more promising younger forwards develop a little more?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 08, 2023, 03:27:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smithy on June 08, 2023, 03:18:32 PM
Quote from: Dave on June 08, 2023, 03:05:07 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on May 31, 2023, 08:01:14 AM
Quote from: sid1964 on May 31, 2023, 07:56:30 AM
Supposedly we are looking to sign Rodrigo from Leeds

Not the marquee signing we were hoping for but a solid player and versatile too. 

Not sure what it’d mean for Archer though as he’d surely be the first reserve rather than a starter (once we land some big guns).

Talk on Leeds forums that his relegation release clause is only £3m. We should be all over it at that price.

£3m is bugger all, but he is 32, so I wonder if he's looked at as a short-term option could can deliver today to let our more promising younger forwards develop a little more?

A loan seems the best idea if that's who we really want and even then I'd want an option to send him back in January. I was hoping we'd be bringing in at least one top striker plus a winger to give us options and that's before we add Archer to the first team squad.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: frank black on June 08, 2023, 04:14:40 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smithy on June 08, 2023, 02:06:57 PM
Quote from: Pat Mustard on June 08, 2023, 12:55:47 PM
Quote from: ajmant on June 08, 2023, 12:46:22 PM
Not sure this is the place or if its commented on elsewhere but Liverpool signing MacAllister for £35 is a bargain. Quality player.

Interesting for what this means for Brighton's model though - if they are losing their top talents for the kind of money we paid for Buendia then I don't see how sustainable it is long term.  Liverpool could probably flip him tomorrow for double that fee.

They paid about £7m for him when he had just turned 20. I would say getting a good few years of decent service out of him and then making an almost £30m profit on him is EXACTLY how their model is supposed to work? There's another £20m on top if Liverpool win everything while he's there (unlikely, but they could win a few things during his contract).

Yes, they'll never be able to build a side capable of winning the league this way, but they'll certainly be able to be competitive in the top half of the Premier League if they keep finding players like him every couple of years.

EDIT: They'll probably lose Caicedo this summer too, for more than £35m.  But this year they've also had Mitoma, Enciso and Ferguson all emerge as strong first-team players, and very sellable assets for the next couple of years.  Brighton are good at what they do.  It's not a model that works for everyone (for example, we probably couldn't afford to give a player like Caicedo the 10-15 games he needed to find his feet at Premier League level - we need our bought in players delivering from their first appearance).  I still want us looking for uncut gems, obviously, but I see the majority of our signings being a bit more established, and a bit more of a known quality under Emery.

They’ll be relegated within 2-3 seasons. Especially as their scouts get poached. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on June 08, 2023, 04:20:27 PM
			

			

				What do you think of 23/24 Squad? 

Goal Keepers
Martinez/ Raya

Defence
Foyth/Cash
Pau Torres/Konsa
I'm Eric laporte/Mings
Moreno/Digne


Midfield /Attack 
Tielmans/Kamara
Guendouzi/Luiz
Lo Celso /Buendia
McGinn/Ward Prowse
Nico Williams/Bailey/Lee Kang Inn
Ramsey/Barnes/Alberto Moleiro
Pedro Goncalves /Coutinho/Summerville

Strikers
Santiago Giménez/Watkins/Archer/Marcus Thuram
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on June 08, 2023, 04:24:22 PM
			

			

				It looks very expensive, footy  :P
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on June 08, 2023, 04:25:29 PM
			

			

				Not sure why you omitted Ramsey either.

Ignore that, spotted him.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on June 08, 2023, 04:26:19 PM
			

			

				I always suspected Lo Celso was coming.
Gregg Evans has suggested as such. Someone who's more in than out the know.
"Unai Emery is keen on targeting Tottenham Hotspur midfielder Giovani Lo Celso for Aston Villa ahead of this upcoming summer transfer window"
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on June 08, 2023, 04:29:06 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on June 08, 2023, 04:25:29 PM
Not sure why you omitted Ramsey either.

Ignore that, spotted him.
I did leave out Olsen, Chambers and Traore.
Quote from: Dogtanian on June 08, 2023, 04:24:22 PM
It looks very expensive, footy  :P

Yes maybe Villa won't sign 15 players but maybe could push at around golf that of 7 players. 
I wouldn't think more than 7 even with Monchi coming in as a transfer wizard 6 to 7 in satisfaction and a squad of 30 could then include a few younger ones. And goalkeepers.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on June 08, 2023, 04:29:11 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on June 08, 2023, 04:26:19 PM
I always suspected Lo Celso was coming.
Gregg Evans has suggested as such. Someone who's more in than out the know.
"Unai Emery is keen on targeting Tottenham Hotspur midfielder Giovani Lo Celso for Aston Villa ahead of this upcoming summer transfer window"

He might just be taking up archery.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on June 08, 2023, 04:33:57 PM
			

			

				Lo Celso would be a great fit.  He makes the Argentine team tick and they had to make do without him at the World Cup

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on June 08, 2023, 04:37:20 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on June 08, 2023, 04:33:57 PM
Lo Celso would be a great fit.  He makes the Argentine team tick and they had to make do without him at the World Cup

I'd argue then that he's probably not the one that makes them tick, given they seemed to tick just fine without him.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on June 08, 2023, 04:39:05 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on June 08, 2023, 04:20:27 PM
What do you think of 23/24 Squad? 

Goal Keepers
Martinez/ Raya

Defence
Foyth/Cash
Pau Torres/Konsa
I'm Eric laporte/Mings
Moreno/Digne


Midfield /Attack 
Tielmans/Kamara
Guendouzi/Luiz
Lo Celso /Buendia
McGinn/Ward Prowse
Nico Williams/Bailey/Lee Kang Inn
Ramsey/Barnes/Alberto Moleiro
Pedro Goncalves /Coutinho/Summerville

Strikers
Santiago Giménez/Watkins/Archer/Marcus Thuram
Got the perfect job for you Footy.  Look up the highly regarded and (probably) award winning website called 'Football Insider'  Your squad speculation would be perfect for them.

Except maybe for Raya sitting on the bench.  Even they wouldn't be crazy enough to suggest that.
  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 08, 2023, 04:46:41 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on June 08, 2023, 04:29:06 PM
Quote from: paul_e on June 08, 2023, 04:25:29 PM
Not sure why you omitted Ramsey either.

Ignore that, spotted him.
I did leave out Olsen, Chambers and Traore.
Quote from: Dogtanian on June 08, 2023, 04:24:22 PM
It looks very expensive, footy  :P

Yes maybe Villa won't sign 15 players but maybe could push at around golf that of 7 players. 
I wouldn't think more than 7 even with Monchi coming in as a transfer wizard 6 to 7 in satisfaction and a squad of 30 could then include a few younger ones. And goalkeepers.

Well, you certainly seem to be getting into the swing of the summer window all of a sudden. Unfortunately.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on June 08, 2023, 04:59:41 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on June 08, 2023, 04:46:41 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on June 08, 2023, 04:29:06 PM
Quote from: paul_e on June 08, 2023, 04:25:29 PM
Not sure why you omitted Ramsey either.

Ignore that, spotted him.
I did leave out Olsen, Chambers and Traore.
Quote from: Dogtanian on June 08, 2023, 04:24:22 PM
It looks very expensive, footy  :P

Yes maybe Villa won't sign 15 players but maybe could push at around golf that of 7 players. 
I wouldn't think more than 7 even with Monchi coming in as a transfer wizard 6 to 7 in satisfaction and a squad of 30 could then include a few younger ones. And goalkeepers.

Well, you certainly seem to be getting into the swing of the summer window all of a sudden. Unfortunately.
Yes I'm recovering from the news of the golf merger must be in my mind!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on June 08, 2023, 05:00:33 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on June 08, 2023, 01:11:08 PM
I am surprised at £35m, seems like there was a release clause. Ouch.

Must have been a release clause as he's surely worth double that at least.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on June 08, 2023, 05:05:39 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ChicagoLion on June 08, 2023, 12:59:42 PM
Surprised it’s only 35mil

The cynic in me thinks that there is something fishy about that amount to fudge FFP.

Although there is meant to be "some" clause that makes it £35 raising to £55, if he meets certain criterias.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on June 08, 2023, 05:36:30 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on June 08, 2023, 04:25:29 PM
Not sure why you omitted Ramsey either.

Ignore that, spotted him.
I did forget Dendoncker.
Maybe he's just destined to remain in England as a bit part at our club but maybe sell and we could see Kompanys Burnley taking him 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on June 08, 2023, 06:05:24 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on June 08, 2023, 05:36:30 PM
Quote from: paul_e on June 08, 2023, 04:25:29 PM
Not sure why you omitted Ramsey either.

Ignore that, spotted him.
I did forget Dendoncker.
Maybe he's just destined to remain in England as a bit part at our club but maybe sell and we could see Kompanys Burnley taking him

He's good friends with Tielemans, apparently. Could be useful! 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: rob_bridge on June 08, 2023, 06:12:02 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: villadelph on June 08, 2023, 06:05:24 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on June 08, 2023, 05:36:30 PM
Quote from: paul_e on June 08, 2023, 04:25:29 PM
Not sure why you omitted Ramsey either.

Ignore that, spotted him.
I did forget Dendoncker.
Maybe he's just destined to remain in England as a bit part at our club but maybe sell and we could see Kompanys Burnley taking him

He's good friends with Tielemans, apparently. Could be useful!

Does he speak basque?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on June 08, 2023, 06:15:28 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: villadelph on June 08, 2023, 06:05:24 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on June 08, 2023, 05:36:30 PM
Quote from: paul_e on June 08, 2023, 04:25:29 PM
Not sure why you omitted Ramsey either.

Ignore that, spotted him.
I did forget Dendoncker.
Maybe he's just destined to remain in England as a bit part at our club but maybe sell and we could see Kompanys Burnley taking him

He's good friends with Tielemans, apparently. Could be useful!

Yes isn't there a strong rumour that Tielemans is signing.
I guess that will be announced once the internationals are over.
To wherever he lays his hat that will be his home.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dicedlam on June 08, 2023, 07:35:33 PM
			

			

				I reckon we might go back in for Joao Felix.

Even though his move to Chelsea didn't work out, he is a tremendously talented player who I think Emery would get the best out of him. 

I reckon a cut price deal between 40-50 million would see him come to us.


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on June 08, 2023, 08:02:33 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: dicedlam on June 08, 2023, 07:35:33 PM
I reckon we might go back in for Joao Felix.

Even though his move to Chelsea didn't work out, he is a tremendously talented player who I think Emery would get the best out of him. 

I reckon a cut price deal between 40-50 million would see him come to us.

Trouble is, he's on 250k/week. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on June 08, 2023, 08:05:48 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on June 08, 2023, 01:20:28 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 08, 2023, 10:47:26 AM
Listening to Leeds fans, we dodged a bullet the size of a house not signing McKennie in January.

Listening to Leeds fans, they'd be gutted if we signed Tyler Adams. He's the one player they have that they actually highly rate.

He’s very good.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeonW on June 08, 2023, 08:11:20 PM
			

			

				Football Insider have linked Footy Vill as our new potential Director of football. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dicedlam on June 08, 2023, 08:11:38 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: villadelph on June 08, 2023, 08:02:33 PM
Quote from: dicedlam on June 08, 2023, 07:35:33 PM
I reckon we might go back in for Joao Felix.

Even though his move to Chelsea didn't work out, he is a tremendously talented player who I think Emery would get the best out of him. 

I reckon a cut price deal between 40-50 million would see him come to us.

Trouble is, he's on 250k/week. 

I don't think he could command that type of salary if he were to move elsewhere, so he would need to drop quite a bit. However, depending on how much the transfer fee we pay Atletico Madrid, us paying him between £175 - £200 grand per week over a five year contract wouldn't be out of the question.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 08, 2023, 08:11:54 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on June 08, 2023, 08:05:48 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on June 08, 2023, 01:20:28 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 08, 2023, 10:47:26 AM
Listening to Leeds fans, we dodged a bullet the size of a house not signing McKennie in January.

Listening to Leeds fans, they'd be gutted if we signed Tyler Adams. He's the one player they have that they actually highly rate.

He’s very good.

You said last week "I don't think he's a big improvement on anybody we've got to be honest." Change of heart?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: KevinGage on June 08, 2023, 08:29:07 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 08, 2023, 10:47:26 AM
Listening to Leeds fans, we dodged a bullet the size of a house not signing McKennie in January.

They should've bombed him out the first day he landed into training in one of those ridiculously oversized Balenciaga tracksuits. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 08, 2023, 08:30:35 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: KevinGage on June 08, 2023, 08:29:07 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 08, 2023, 10:47:26 AM
Listening to Leeds fans, we dodged a bullet the size of a house not signing McKennie in January.

They should've bombed him out the first day he landed into training in one of those ridiculously oversized Balenciaga tracksuits. 

I laughed at Leeds fans, last day of season as McKennie was taken off, chanting 'you fat bastard' at him as he walked off.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smithy on June 08, 2023, 09:09:06 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on June 08, 2023, 08:11:54 PM
Quote from: Risso on June 08, 2023, 08:05:48 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on June 08, 2023, 01:20:28 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 08, 2023, 10:47:26 AM
Listening to Leeds fans, we dodged a bullet the size of a house not signing McKennie in January.

Listening to Leeds fans, they'd be gutted if we signed Tyler Adams. He's the one player they have that they actually highly rate.

He’s very good.

You said last week "I don't think he's a big improvement on anybody we've got to be honest." Change of heart?

Doesn't have to be if he also thinks the people in our first 11 right now are also 'very good' :-)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 08, 2023, 09:21:44 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on June 08, 2023, 08:11:54 PM
Quote from: Risso on June 08, 2023, 08:05:48 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on June 08, 2023, 01:20:28 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 08, 2023, 10:47:26 AM
Listening to Leeds fans, we dodged a bullet the size of a house not signing McKennie in January.

Listening to Leeds fans, they'd be gutted if we signed Tyler Adams. He's the one player they have that they actually highly rate.

He’s very good.

You said last week "I don't think he's a big improvement on anybody we've got to be honest." Change of heart?

I think most of us believe that players who improve on our current midfield four are very rare. We just need more around that level.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 08, 2023, 09:23:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: KevinGage on June 08, 2023, 08:29:07 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 08, 2023, 10:47:26 AM
Listening to Leeds fans, we dodged a bullet the size of a house not signing McKennie in January.

They should've bombed him out the first day he landed into training in one of those ridiculously oversized Balenciaga tracksuits. 

Thought he was awful for USA in the World Cup and was glad we didn't sign him after that 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on June 08, 2023, 10:53:40 PM
			

			

				If we buy an American midfielder Adams is miles better than McKennie. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 08, 2023, 11:42:47 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 08, 2023, 09:21:44 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on June 08, 2023, 08:11:54 PM
Quote from: Risso on June 08, 2023, 08:05:48 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on June 08, 2023, 01:20:28 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 08, 2023, 10:47:26 AM
Listening to Leeds fans, we dodged a bullet the size of a house not signing McKennie in January.

Listening to Leeds fans, they'd be gutted if we signed Tyler Adams. He's the one player they have that they actually highly rate.

He’s very good.

You said last week "I don't think he's a big improvement on anybody we've got to be honest." Change of heart?

I think most of us believe that players who improve on our current midfield four are very rare. We just need more around that level.

Am I on youngconservatives.com? ;)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 08, 2023, 11:48:48 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ozzjim on June 08, 2023, 10:53:40 PM
If we buy an American midfielder Adams is miles better than McKennie. 

McKennie scares the shit out of me, he's been that shite at Leeds. I'm praying that Emery delivers on ALL fronts, we can't afford to mess up this window. It would just be our luck, we finally find a tactically astute manager who doesn't know how to buy in the transfer market.*

*Boredom of no activity (even though the market is closed) and too many years being a Villa fan. Plus it rained today so I couldn't go to the beach.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on June 09, 2023, 06:03:31 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeonW on June 08, 2023, 08:11:20 PM
Football Insider have linked Footy Vill as our new potential Director of football.
 :)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulTheVillan on June 09, 2023, 08:38:57 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: dicedlam on June 08, 2023, 07:35:33 PM
I reckon we might go back in for Joao Felix.

Even though his move to Chelsea didn't work out, he is a tremendously talented player who I think Emery would get the best out of him. 

I reckon a cut price deal between 40-50 million would see him come to us.



Haaland would have looked shit in that Chelsea side last season. Utter disaster. Unfortunatly I think we'll see a much better Chelsea next season with a proper manager.

I think Emery will try and bring in a natural 'number 10' type player to play with Watkins.

Coutinho is finished, and not sure Buendia has enough final product, even though his work rate is decent.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Demitri_C on June 09, 2023, 09:34:02 AM
			

			

				Out of all the players linked felix is one i realy want at thw club. I think he would unbelievable under emery
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on June 09, 2023, 10:18:27 AM
			

			

				It had been suggested he was signing for Villa and was seen in the area back in January I was interested in that move but now I feel he's not needed and the good news being 'Harry Maguire is to fight for his place at Man Utd' talk sports understands.
Probably Maguire understands no Prem club actually will take him.
His stock has really fallen.
And yet he'll be playing for the England national team 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on June 09, 2023, 10:20:27 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Demitri_C on June 09, 2023, 09:34:02 AM
Out of all the players linked felix is one i realy want at thw club. I think he would unbelievable under emery

Oh that would be a great fit. Felix is world class really and just needs the right environment. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on June 09, 2023, 10:21:52 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: dicedlam on June 08, 2023, 07:35:33 PM
I reckon we might go back in for Joao Felix.

Even though his move to Chelsea didn't work out, he is a tremendously talented player who I think Emery would get the best out of him. 

I reckon a cut price deal between 40-50 million would see him come to us.
Is this actually happening then ?  I know he's not staying at Chelsea . I would take a big loan option for 2 seasons. See what he and Villa can do together.

Please let us sign him! 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on June 09, 2023, 10:46:29 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 08, 2023, 09:21:44 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on June 08, 2023, 08:11:54 PM
Quote from: Risso on June 08, 2023, 08:05:48 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on June 08, 2023, 01:20:28 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 08, 2023, 10:47:26 AM
Listening to Leeds fans, we dodged a bullet the size of a house not signing McKennie in January.

Listening to Leeds fans, they'd be gutted if we signed Tyler Adams. He's the one player they have that they actually highly rate.

He’s very good.

You said last week "I don't think he's a big improvement on anybody we've got to be honest." Change of heart?

I think most of us believe that players who improve on our current midfield four are very rare. We just need more around that level.
And most of us believe players who score more goals would improve us.

I think scoring goals is very important aspect of the team and the midfielders have to contribute.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on June 09, 2023, 10:53:37 AM
			

			

				We absolutely need more goals from midfield but in order to get that you can’t sacrifice how hard our midfield (& forward) players work off the ball and the press to retrieve it….so it’s not as easy as just identifying those that score, they have to contribute to the overall way we play.  This is why Theilemans in particular makes me a little nervous as every time I watched Leicester this season he was swanning with very little pace/press/bite….likewise JWP.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on June 09, 2023, 11:10:49 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Gareth on June 09, 2023, 10:53:37 AM
We absolutely need more goals from midfield but in order to get that you can’t sacrifice how hard our midfield (& forward) players work off the ball and the press to retrieve it….so it’s not as easy as just identifying those that score, they have to contribute to the overall way we play.  This is why Theilemans in particular makes me a little nervous as every time I watched Leicester this season he was swanning with very little pace/press/bite….likewise JWP.
Ward Prowse scored 9 league goals.
More goals than not only Aston Villa midfielders but more than KDB, Gundogan and Bruno Fernandes.

He would improve our offensives both for set plays and from his midfield role.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on June 09, 2023, 11:15:28 AM
			

			

				Felix wants to go to a Champions League side. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: rob_bridge on June 09, 2023, 11:21:11 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on June 09, 2023, 11:15:28 AM
Felix wants to go to a Champions League side.

Doesn't he want our love
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 09, 2023, 11:52:15 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on June 09, 2023, 11:10:49 AM
Quote from: Gareth on June 09, 2023, 10:53:37 AM
We absolutely need more goals from midfield but in order to get that you can’t sacrifice how hard our midfield (& forward) players work off the ball and the press to retrieve it….so it’s not as easy as just identifying those that score, they have to contribute to the overall way we play.  This is why Theilemans in particular makes me a little nervous as every time I watched Leicester this season he was swanning with very little pace/press/bite….likewise JWP.
Ward Prowse scored 9 league goals.
More goals than not only Aston Villa midfielders but more than KDB, Gundogan and Bruno Fernandes.

He would improve our offensives both for set plays and from his midfield role.



If we could bring him on for just set pieces  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on June 09, 2023, 11:54:21 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on June 09, 2023, 11:10:49 AM
Quote from: Gareth on June 09, 2023, 10:53:37 AM
We absolutely need more goals from midfield but in order to get that you can’t sacrifice how hard our midfield (& forward) players work off the ball and the press to retrieve it….so it’s not as easy as just identifying those that score, they have to contribute to the overall way we play.  This is why Theilemans in particular makes me a little nervous as every time I watched Leicester this season he was swanning with very little pace/press/bite….likewise JWP.
Ward Prowse scored 9 league goals.
More goals than not only Aston Villa midfielders but more than KDB, Gundogan and Bruno Fernandes.

He would improve our offensives both for set plays and from his midfield role.

9 goals is good absolutely (does he take pens?), being the leader of the midfield of the team that finished comfortably bottom of the league, not good.  Was decent before with Romeu doing the hard work around him…reminds me of Hitzlsperger, fantastic shot but in general play runs around 2 yards behind play because in terms of this league they are slow.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: rougegorge on June 09, 2023, 12:18:21 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Gareth on June 09, 2023, 11:54:21 AM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on June 09, 2023, 11:10:49 AM
Quote from: Gareth on June 09, 2023, 10:53:37 AM
We absolutely need more goals from midfield but in order to get that you can’t sacrifice how hard our midfield (& forward) players work off the ball and the press to retrieve it….so it’s not as easy as just identifying those that score, they have to contribute to the overall way we play.  This is why Theilemans in particular makes me a little nervous as every time I watched Leicester this season he was swanning with very little pace/press/bite….likewise JWP.
Ward Prowse scored 9 league goals.
More goals than not only Aston Villa midfielders but more than KDB, Gundogan and Bruno Fernandes.

He would improve our offensives both for set plays and from his midfield role.

9 goals is good absolutely (does he take pens?), being the leader of the midfield of the team that finished comfortably bottom of the league, not good.  Was decent before with Romeu doing the hard work around him…reminds me of Hitzlsperger, fantastic shot but in general play runs around 2 yards behind play because in terms of this league they are slow.
Yes, he takes penalties, but Southampton don't get a hatful of them unlike some teams. He's got almost a 1 in 5 games scoring record in the Premier League which is good. I get the comparison, but I think he's better than Hitzlsperger was. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on June 09, 2023, 12:30:22 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: rougegorge on June 09, 2023, 12:18:21 PM
Quote from: Gareth on June 09, 2023, 11:54:21 AM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on June 09, 2023, 11:10:49 AM
Quote from: Gareth on June 09, 2023, 10:53:37 AM
We absolutely need more goals from midfield but in order to get that you can’t sacrifice how hard our midfield (& forward) players work off the ball and the press to retrieve it….so it’s not as easy as just identifying those that score, they have to contribute to the overall way we play.  This is why Theilemans in particular makes me a little nervous as every time I watched Leicester this season he was swanning with very little pace/press/bite….likewise JWP.
Ward Prowse scored 9 league goals.
More goals than not only Aston Villa midfielders but more than KDB, Gundogan and Bruno Fernandes.

He would improve our offensives both for set plays and from his midfield role.

9 goals is good absolutely (does he take pens?), being the leader of the midfield of the team that finished comfortably bottom of the league, not good.  Was decent before with Romeu doing the hard work around him…reminds me of Hitzlsperger, fantastic shot but in general play runs around 2 yards behind play because in terms of this league they are slow.
Yes, he takes penalties, but Southampton don't get a hatful of them unlike some teams. He's got almost a 1 in 5 games scoring record in the Premier League which is good. I get the comparison, but I think he's better than Hitzlsperger was. 

JWP is fine as well as we want to have greater possession of the ball. He's good at passing. Emery would have made obvious his positional awareness, and he would have studied JWP to see whether he could be used in the team. And he contributions for goals and ability at set plays would be a real positive. 

I consider Manchester City and how they use Kyle Walker's speed when you take their midfield Rhodri,Gundogan, and Phillips even KDB aren't particularly swift, and Rhodri would commit those sly tactical fouls to hold up play.
Brighton midfielders like McAllister and Gross aren't fast but show the intelligence to press and cacideo has energy but JWP offers alot on the ball and that would be the reason to sign him. Off the ball he's capable but agree he doesn't have the obvious signs of energetic pressing however he can do that

If Emery does sign JWP, I believe he has a plan on how to use him in the team and get him and the players around him to work well together.
That's just transfer speculation, but I have no objections to signing quality footballers.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Hairbandinho on June 09, 2023, 12:51:53 PM
			

			

				Ward Prowse, Alvarez and Barnes to Wet Spam
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: achilles on June 09, 2023, 12:54:11 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on June 09, 2023, 11:15:28 AM
Felix wants to go to a Champions League side. 

If that is the case it is unfortunate as he would take our side up a level, absolutely a top, top player (my dream signing)!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on June 09, 2023, 01:42:56 PM
			

			

				Apparently Southampton want £50m+ for JWP.

Even I think that's ridiculous. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 09, 2023, 01:53:10 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on June 09, 2023, 01:42:56 PM
Apparently Southampton want £50m+ for JWP.

Even I think that's ridiculous.

It surely has West Ham written all over after selling Rice. Could maybe see him at Newcastle but apart from that I don't see anyone stumping that sort of money up for him.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on June 09, 2023, 01:56:46 PM
			

			

				If you take away set pieces and penalties JWP got 3 goals and 1 assist so we're back to the question of whether he'd get into our team purely for his set pieces because without those he's not an upgrade, and at 28 I don't you spend that sort of money on someone who isn't clearly worthy of a starting spot.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smithy on June 09, 2023, 01:56:50 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on June 09, 2023, 01:53:10 PM
Quote from: Smirker on June 09, 2023, 01:42:56 PM
Apparently Southampton want £50m+ for JWP.

Even I think that's ridiculous.

It surely has West Ham written all over after selling Rice. Could maybe see him at Newcastle but apart from that I don't see anyone stumping that sort of money up for him.

It's the clearest example yet of the "English premium".  He's a good player, certainly around the £20m category, but £50m? I can't believe anyone would pay that for him, unless it's someone desperate for more "homegrown" players to stay inside the rules?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: danno on June 09, 2023, 01:59:48 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on June 09, 2023, 01:42:56 PM
Apparently Southampton want £50m+ for JWP.

Even I think that's ridiculous.

Haha agreed 100%.
£25 million would even be pushing it a little.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on June 09, 2023, 02:00:14 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on June 09, 2023, 01:42:56 PM
Apparently Southampton want £50m+ for JWP.

Even I think that's ridiculous.

:-)
Good luck to them if they can get that, wasn’t that the price tag a couple of summers back when we were interested …hopefully someone else pays it :-)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on June 09, 2023, 02:00:58 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on June 09, 2023, 01:56:46 PM
If you take away set pieces and penalties JWP got 3 goals and 1 assist so we're back to the question of whether he'd get into our team purely for his set pieces because without those he's not an upgrade, and at 28 I don't you spend that sort of money on someone who isn't clearly worthy of a starting spot.
But why take away these . It's a fact.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on June 09, 2023, 02:04:30 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on June 09, 2023, 02:00:58 PM
Quote from: paul_e on June 09, 2023, 01:56:46 PM
If you take away set pieces and penalties JWP got 3 goals and 1 assist so we're back to the question of whether he'd get into our team purely for his set pieces because without those he's not an upgrade, and at 28 I don't you spend that sort of money on someone who isn't clearly worthy of a starting spot.
But why take away these . It's a fact.  

Because you need the whole team to contribute in all aspects - a fine setpiece taker is one thing, but if that's all you do (and you're worth 8 goals a year or something) and your team gets relegated, well, that's not a great record.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on June 09, 2023, 02:07:45 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on June 09, 2023, 02:00:58 PM
Quote from: paul_e on June 09, 2023, 01:56:46 PM
If you take away set pieces and penalties JWP got 3 goals and 1 assist so we're back to the question of whether he'd get into our team purely for his set pieces because without those he's not an upgrade, and at 28 I don't you spend that sort of money on someone who isn't clearly worthy of a starting spot.
But why take away these . It's a fact.  

I mean the answer is right there in the quote... 

If he was competing for a spot with Buendia/Bailey then fine but he's not going to start ahead of Luiz or Ramsey who have much better output in open play and he's nowhere near strong enough defensively to play the kamara role. That leaves McGinn who, I reckon, covers about half again the amount of ground JWP does and gives us an energy and tenacity that makes us so difficult to play against so I doubt JWP starts regularly there either (it's also the position I think he'd be best suited to in our gameplan) so £50m for a 28 year old who would spend a lot of time on the bench but might score a free kick or 2 in his cameos from there.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 09, 2023, 02:08:59 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on June 09, 2023, 02:00:58 PM
Quote from: paul_e on June 09, 2023, 01:56:46 PM
If you take away set pieces and penalties JWP got 3 goals and 1 assist so we're back to the question of whether he'd get into our team purely for his set pieces because without those he's not an upgrade, and at 28 I don't you spend that sort of money on someone who isn't clearly worthy of a starting spot.
But why take away these . It's a fact. 

To be fair, goals are incredibly difficult to come by so having someone who can do it from 20 yards then I can see why that is valuable. Not quite 50 mil valuable but I can see why some would see it as a bit of a 'cheat code'. Can't break a team down? Get a cheap foul on the edge of the box and see what JWP can do. I don't think Moyes will be there but he'd love that.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on June 09, 2023, 02:12:42 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on June 09, 2023, 02:08:59 PM
To be fair, goals are incredibly difficult to come by so having someone who can do it from 20 yards then I can see why that is valuable. Not quite 50 mil valuable but I can see why some would see it as a bit of a 'cheat code'. Can't break a team down? Get a cheap foul on the edge of the box and see what JWP can do. I don't think Moyes will be there but he'd love that.

I agree with this, I just think that if we're recruiting for that we'd ned to look for someone to plays more as a 10/2nd striker/winger so they're competing for the spot where we're weakest if they're not quite as productive in open play as we need.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: danno on June 09, 2023, 02:13:11 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on June 09, 2023, 02:07:45 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on June 09, 2023, 02:00:58 PM
Quote from: paul_e on June 09, 2023, 01:56:46 PM
If you take away set pieces and penalties JWP got 3 goals and 1 assist so we're back to the question of whether he'd get into our team purely for his set pieces because without those he's not an upgrade, and at 28 I don't you spend that sort of money on someone who isn't clearly worthy of a starting spot.
But why take away these . It's a fact.  

I mean the answer is right there in the quote... 

If he was competing for a spot with Buendia/Bailey then fine but he's not going to start ahead of Luiz or Ramsey who have much better output in open play and he's nowhere near strong enough defensively to play the kamara role. That leaves McGinn who, I reckon, covers about half again the amount of ground JWP does and gives us an energy and tenacity that makes us so difficult to play against so I doubt JWP starts regularly there either (it's also the position I think he'd be best suited to in our gameplan) so £50m for a 28 year old who would spend a lot of time on the bench but might score a free kick or 2 in his cameos from there.

Nope.

https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2023/03/15/southampton-star-james-ward-prowse-tops-premier-league-distance-covered-stat-ahead-of-rodri-and-rice/

He topped the list in 2020 too.

Personally I don’t think he’s enough of an upgrade to justify the cost, but I think he’s on par with McGinn, and technically better with the ball too.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on June 09, 2023, 02:13:56 PM
			

			

				I suspected links with US players and Chris Heck may have some sway/imput for taking Tyler Adams if we sign the American International

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on June 09, 2023, 02:15:57 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Monty on June 09, 2023, 02:04:30 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on June 09, 2023, 02:00:58 PM
Quote from: paul_e on June 09, 2023, 01:56:46 PM
If you take away set pieces and penalties JWP got 3 goals and 1 assist so we're back to the question of whether he'd get into our team purely for his set pieces because without those he's not an upgrade, and at 28 I don't you spend that sort of money on someone who isn't clearly worthy of a starting spot.
But why take away these . It's a fact.  

Because you need the whole team to contribute in all aspects - a fine setpiece taker is one thing, but if that's all you do (and you're worth 8 goals a year or something) and your team gets relegated, well, that's not a great record.

When H&V needs a ‘like’ button :-)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on June 09, 2023, 02:16:08 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: danno on June 09, 2023, 02:13:11 PM
Quote from: paul_e on June 09, 2023, 02:07:45 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on June 09, 2023, 02:00:58 PM
Quote from: paul_e on June 09, 2023, 01:56:46 PM
If you take away set pieces and penalties JWP got 3 goals and 1 assist so we're back to the question of whether he'd get into our team purely for his set pieces because without those he's not an upgrade, and at 28 I don't you spend that sort of money on someone who isn't clearly worthy of a starting spot.
But why take away these . It's a fact.  

I mean the answer is right there in the quote... 

If he was competing for a spot with Buendia/Bailey then fine but he's not going to start ahead of Luiz or Ramsey who have much better output in open play and he's nowhere near strong enough defensively to play the kamara role. That leaves McGinn who, I reckon, covers about half again the amount of ground JWP does and gives us an energy and tenacity that makes us so difficult to play against so I doubt JWP starts regularly there either (it's also the position I think he'd be best suited to in our gameplan) so £50m for a 28 year old who would spend a lot of time on the bench but might score a free kick or 2 in his cameos from there.

Nope.

https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2023/03/15/southampton-star-james-ward-prowse-tops-premier-league-distance-covered-stat-ahead-of-rodri-and-rice/

He topped the list in 2020 too.

Personally I don’t think he’s enough of an upgrade to justify the cost, but I think he’s on par with McGinn, and technically better with the ball too.

Thank you Danno.
It's good you can show up those who think JWP is only a set pieces player 
Because he's far more than that and capable off the ball and open play and strikes the ball better than McGinn ever could
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on June 09, 2023, 02:18:00 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Gareth on June 09, 2023, 02:15:57 PM
Quote from: Monty on June 09, 2023, 02:04:30 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on June 09, 2023, 02:00:58 PM
Quote from: paul_e on June 09, 2023, 01:56:46 PM
If you take away set pieces and penalties JWP got 3 goals and 1 assist so we're back to the question of whether he'd get into our team purely for his set pieces because without those he's not an upgrade, and at 28 I don't you spend that sort of money on someone who isn't clearly worthy of a starting spot.
But why take away these . It's a fact.  

Because you need the whole team to contribute in all aspects - a fine setpiece taker is one thing, but if that's all you do (and you're worth 8 goals a year or something) and your team gets relegated, well, that's not a great record.

When H&V needs a ‘like’ button :-)
Yes, clearly that's all he does to some football observers minds.
Clearly not though and he's underrated. People think he just takes free kicks. Nonsense.
Don't know what people expect . Tyler Adams all action midfielder with little finesse or JWP?

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on June 09, 2023, 02:21:50 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: danno on June 09, 2023, 02:13:11 PM
Quote from: paul_e on June 09, 2023, 02:07:45 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on June 09, 2023, 02:00:58 PM
Quote from: paul_e on June 09, 2023, 01:56:46 PM
If you take away set pieces and penalties JWP got 3 goals and 1 assist so we're back to the question of whether he'd get into our team purely for his set pieces because without those he's not an upgrade, and at 28 I don't you spend that sort of money on someone who isn't clearly worthy of a starting spot.
But why take away these . It's a fact.  

I mean the answer is right there in the quote... 

If he was competing for a spot with Buendia/Bailey then fine but he's not going to start ahead of Luiz or Ramsey who have much better output in open play and he's nowhere near strong enough defensively to play the kamara role. That leaves McGinn who, I reckon, covers about half again the amount of ground JWP does and gives us an energy and tenacity that makes us so difficult to play against so I doubt JWP starts regularly there either (it's also the position I think he'd be best suited to in our gameplan) so £50m for a 28 year old who would spend a lot of time on the bench but might score a free kick or 2 in his cameos from there.

Nope.

https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2023/03/15/southampton-star-james-ward-prowse-tops-premier-league-distance-covered-stat-ahead-of-rodri-and-rice/

He topped the list in 2020 too.

Personally I don’t think he’s enough of an upgrade to justify the cost, but I think he’s on par with McGinn, and technically better with the ball too.

Ok, fair enough, I still don't think he offers the same tenacity and aggression that McGinn brings but he clearly works harder than I'd noticed. I'd still say he's not an upgrade for us though and certainly not £50m worth.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on June 09, 2023, 02:23:54 PM
			

			

				I can see why Villa had some thought on getting Kyle Walker in.
He would slot in well to the system, experienced head and could take role of Ashley Young. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on June 09, 2023, 02:36:32 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on June 09, 2023, 02:23:54 PM
I can see why Villa had some thought on getting Kyle Walker in.
He would slot in well to the system, experienced head and could take role of Ashley Young.

Still very good player, are City looking to let him go? Would have thought they’d only do that if they are sick of his off field antics
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on June 09, 2023, 02:43:28 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Gareth on June 09, 2023, 02:36:32 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on June 09, 2023, 02:23:54 PM
I can see why Villa had some thought on getting Kyle Walker in.
He would slot in well to the system, experienced head and could take role of Ashley Young.

Still very good player, are City looking to let him go? Would have thought they’d only do that if they are sick of his off field antics

Yep, the baggage is why I wouldn't want him as well, good player though and would be a decent fit for the role of the more defensive full back in our lop-sided setup.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on June 09, 2023, 02:51:04 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Gareth on June 09, 2023, 10:53:37 AM
We absolutely need more goals from midfield but in order to get that you can’t sacrifice how hard our midfield (& forward) players work off the ball and the press to retrieve it….so it’s not as easy as just identifying those that score, they have to contribute to the overall way we play.  This is why Theilemans in particular makes me a little nervous as every time I watched Leicester this season he was swanning with very little pace/press/bite….likewise JWP.

To be fair Ramsey and Luiz finished the season very strongly with goals, 12 in total between the pair of them. Think Ramsey could get to double figures next season. Luiz developed a very handy habit of dropping into the box late from a deep role for tap ins. McGinn could and should score more too. With everything else they offer without goals, I think we are very strong in midfield. 

Luiz was being accused of what you say Tielemans was at for a lot of his time at the club, justifiably too. Like Tielemans though, Luiz always had the ability. JWP tries hard and takes a mean set piece but both Luiz and Tielemans are different level. Tielemans was a top player 18 months ago for club and country. 


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: FatSam on June 09, 2023, 03:49:39 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on June 09, 2023, 02:43:28 PM
Quote from: Gareth on June 09, 2023, 02:36:32 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on June 09, 2023, 02:23:54 PM
I can see why Villa had some thought on getting Kyle Walker in.
He would slot in well to the system, experienced head and could take role of Ashley Young.
Yes, doesn't pass the 'no dickheads' test.

Still very good player, are City looking to let him go? Would have thought they’d only do that if they are sick of his off field antics

Yep, the baggage is why I wouldn't want him as well, good player though and would be a decent fit for the role of the more defensive full back in our lop-sided setup.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on June 09, 2023, 04:26:48 PM
			

			

				We won't be after JWP.  He's a good player, one of those I think who you would appreciate more if he played for you, but we won't be spending that sort of money on decent English players.  

Plus I tried repeatedly to buy him in FIFA when he was a youngster and the fucker would never join (was the only time I ever played FIFA).  And as for that golf club celebration...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on June 09, 2023, 07:52:33 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: FatSam on June 09, 2023, 03:49:39 PM
Quote from: paul_e on June 09, 2023, 02:43:28 PM
Quote from: Gareth on June 09, 2023, 02:36:32 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on June 09, 2023, 02:23:54 PM
I can see why Villa had some thought on getting Kyle Walker in.
He would slot in well to the system, experienced head and could take role of Ashley Young.
Yes, doesn't pass the 'no dickheads' test.

Still very good player, are City looking to let him go? Would have thought they’d only do that if they are sick of his off field antics

Yep, the baggage is why I wouldn't want him as well, good player though and would be a decent fit for the role of the more defensive full back in our lop-sided setup.
Maybe we found a Walker in right back Mo Simikan who been linked. He's champions league level plays for RB Leipzig 
I think he's a Walker type defender who does well tactically and has football intelligence.  

One of the bases of his talents is his ability to adapt to various defensive situations and has the potential to improve his on the ball play under Emery. He's already improved from his time in Germany and would be a good addition for the right side as he can play both right back and centre but also ability to play the counter/half back role and has great pace. 


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on June 10, 2023, 06:42:48 AM
			

			

				Birmingham Mail ‘linking’ us with Enrique, Brazilian Real Betis striker with a release fee of £86m. And the grand total of one goal last season. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Mister E on June 10, 2023, 07:05:24 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on June 09, 2023, 02:13:56 PM
I suspected links with US players and Chris Heck may have some sway/imput for taking Tyler Adams if we sign the American International

I'm not sure Chris Heck would be known by Adams - he's a businessman rather than a footballing man.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on June 10, 2023, 09:22:41 AM
			

			

				Heck has nothing to do with transfers.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on June 10, 2023, 10:01:05 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Mister E on June 10, 2023, 07:05:24 AM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on June 09, 2023, 02:13:56 PM
I suspected links with US players and Chris Heck may have some sway/imput for taking Tyler Adams if we sign the American International

I'm not sure Chris Heck would be known by Adams - he's a businessman rather than a footballing man.
This has been pointed out to him many time but he still insists on pedalling this bollocks.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 10, 2023, 10:02:51 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Monty on June 10, 2023, 09:22:41 AM
Heck has nothing to do with transfers.

If he did, he'd probably be known as 'Flipping Heck'.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on June 10, 2023, 10:07:42 AM
			

			

				Will he Heck as like. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on June 10, 2023, 10:39:15 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ChicagoLion on June 10, 2023, 10:01:05 AM
Quote from: Mister E on June 10, 2023, 07:05:24 AM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on June 09, 2023, 02:13:56 PM
I suspected links with US players and Chris Heck may have some sway/imput for taking Tyler Adams if we sign the American International

I'm not sure Chris Heck would be known by Adams - he's a businessman rather than a footballing man.
This has been pointed out to him many time but he still insists on pedalling this bollocks.
People see connections in various ways. I perceive an American link that others don't want to see, which is understandable, but we can all allow ourselves to think of our own thoughts without making such unpleasant comments. Even if their beliefs and opinions differ, everyone ultimately supports the same club. In this scenario, it's simply alternative thought and seemed to be informed it's not welcome.
Personally, I think Heck, in helping out the club, as does Purslow, will have a view. And we can't say Purslow wasn't involved with Gerrard's signing. The theory may not be correct, but I like to look at links.
 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on June 10, 2023, 10:48:53 AM
			

			

				Back to other transfers well on Yerry Mina released by Everton despite free transfer status I think there can be other internationals to go for other than him

That's the Colombian centre defender most known for his World Cup booming header against England, his penalty with Martinez in the Copa America Shootout, and being completely outplayed and outmuscled by Wesley in the opening home game of the season a few years ago.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on June 10, 2023, 11:05:25 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on June 09, 2023, 04:26:48 PM
We won't be after JWP.  He's a good player, one of those I think who you would appreciate more if he played for you, but we won't be spending that sort of money on decent English players.  

Plus I tried repeatedly to buy him in FIFA when he was a youngster and the fucker would never join (was the only time I ever played FIFA).  And as for that golf club celebration...

Ward-Prowse is a decidedly average footballer. 

Great at set pieces, but as a footballer, he is slow & weak. He can pass the ball well, but we already have Dendoncker who is slow & can pass the ball well, but he is 6'2".

I think we have moved on from paying premium prices for average English footballers.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on June 10, 2023, 11:16:19 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on June 10, 2023, 10:39:15 AM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on June 10, 2023, 10:01:05 AM
Quote from: Mister E on June 10, 2023, 07:05:24 AM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on June 09, 2023, 02:13:56 PM
I suspected links with US players and Chris Heck may have some sway/imput for taking Tyler Adams if we sign the American International

I'm not sure Chris Heck would be known by Adams - he's a businessman rather than a footballing man.
This has been pointed out to him many time but he still insists on pedalling this bollocks.
People see connections in various ways. I perceive an American link that others don't want to see, which is understandable, but we can all allow ourselves to think of our own thoughts without making such unpleasant comments. Even if their beliefs and opinions differ, everyone ultimately supports the same club. In this scenario, it's simply alternative thought and seemed to be informed it's not welcome.
Personally, I think Heck, in helping out the club, as does Purslow, will have a view. And we can't say Purslow wasn't involved with Gerrard's signing. The theory may not be correct, but I like to look at links.
 

I see American money and the potential for investment, shirt sponsors, ground or stand sponsorship.  Nothing to do with transfers of players.  Any player in the American leagues, I am sure we already have covered with our scouting network.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 10, 2023, 11:19:45 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pablo_picasso on June 10, 2023, 11:05:25 AM
I think we have moved on from paying premium prices for average English footballers.

I hope you’re right however I’d still like us to target the best 16-22 year olds, including from england, and make sure there’s a culture where they reach their potential.  JWP is the wrong age as much as he is over priced.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 10, 2023, 01:03:09 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pablo_picasso on June 10, 2023, 11:05:25 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on June 09, 2023, 04:26:48 PM
We won't be after JWP.  He's a good player, one of those I think who you would appreciate more if he played for you, but we won't be spending that sort of money on decent English players.  

Plus I tried repeatedly to buy him in FIFA when he was a youngster and the fucker would never join (was the only time I ever played FIFA).  And as for that golf club celebration...

Ward-Prowse is a decidedly average footballer. 

Great at set pieces, but as a footballer, he is slow & weak. He can pass the ball well, but we already have Dendoncker who is slow & can pass the ball well, but he is 6'2".

I think we have moved on from paying premium prices for average English footballers.

As has been said, he is regularly in the top distance coverers in the league (if not top). I doubt he's that slow and weak.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on June 10, 2023, 01:17:07 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on June 10, 2023, 01:03:09 PM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on June 10, 2023, 11:05:25 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on June 09, 2023, 04:26:48 PM
We won't be after JWP.  He's a good player, one of those I think who you would appreciate more if he played for you, but we won't be spending that sort of money on decent English players.  

Plus I tried repeatedly to buy him in FIFA when he was a youngster and the fucker would never join (was the only time I ever played FIFA).  And as for that golf club celebration...

Ward-Prowse is a decidedly average footballer. 

Great at set pieces, but as a footballer, he is slow & weak. He can pass the ball well, but we already have Dendoncker who is slow & can pass the ball well, but he is 6'2".

I think we have moved on from paying premium prices for average English footballers.

As has been said, he is regularly in the top distance coverers in the league (if not top). I doubt he's that slow and weak.

Distance covered is about how much he runs around. 

His pace & strength have little to do with that. 

Although I can see where one could argue that pace would help him get around, but its more about his stamina & his desire to get around the pitch. 

And at Southampton, he has had to do that a lot.

He is still weak & slow though. 

And average an footballer who would probably cost more than he is worth because he is English.

So it a firm "no thanks" from me.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 10, 2023, 01:35:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pablo_picasso on June 10, 2023, 01:17:07 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on June 10, 2023, 01:03:09 PM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on June 10, 2023, 11:05:25 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on June 09, 2023, 04:26:48 PM
We won't be after JWP.  He's a good player, one of those I think who you would appreciate more if he played for you, but we won't be spending that sort of money on decent English players.  

Plus I tried repeatedly to buy him in FIFA when he was a youngster and the fucker would never join (was the only time I ever played FIFA).  And as for that golf club celebration...

Ward-Prowse is a decidedly average footballer. 

Great at set pieces, but as a footballer, he is slow & weak. He can pass the ball well, but we already have Dendoncker who is slow & can pass the ball well, but he is 6'2".

I think we have moved on from paying premium prices for average English footballers.

As has been said, he is regularly in the top distance coverers in the league (if not top). I doubt he's that slow and weak.

Distance covered is about how much he runs around. 

His pace & strength have little to do with that. 

Although I can see where one could argue that pace would help him get around, but its more about his stamina & his desire to get around the pitch. 

And at Southampton, he has had to do that a lot.

He is still weak & slow though. 

And average an footballer who would probably cost more than he is worth because he is English.

So it a firm "no thanks" from me.

I don't want him either, particularly at the price but I think he is harshly judged on here. I mean how much Southampton have any of us really watched? I know that would limit discussion but I'm not sure how people can be so definitive. A bit like those spurs tits not having Luiz or Kamara in their mixed 11 because they just don't know how good they really are.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on June 10, 2023, 01:51:05 PM
			

			

				He's 28, so I have seen enough of him over the years to form my opinion. 

And lets be honest, pace & strength are things you can spot fairly easily.

But, I can also recognise that he is an energetic hard worker who can pass the ball pretty well. 

I just think that he is overrated purely because of his set pieces. 

Which are fabulous & probably bettered by nobody. 

But that type of player is more suited to the likes of Burnley under Dyche.

Not Villa under Emery.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SamTheMouse on June 10, 2023, 02:28:01 PM
			

			

				O'Neill would have been all over Ward-Prowse, for the equivalent of about 60 million and 200 grand a week in wages.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: danno on June 10, 2023, 02:32:51 PM
			

			

				Always thought he’d end up at Tottenham for some reason.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: CT Villan on June 10, 2023, 02:35:26 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: SamTheMouse on June 10, 2023, 02:28:01 PM
O'Neill would have been all over Ward-Prowse, for the equivalent of about 60 million and 200 grand a week in wages.
 
...and would have played him at right back.

JWP is a big fish in a small pond, Villa are (once again) no longer a small pond and as such we need better quality.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on June 10, 2023, 02:37:47 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: CT Villan on June 10, 2023, 02:35:26 PM
Quote from: SamTheMouse on June 10, 2023, 02:28:01 PM
O'Neill would have been all over Ward-Prowse, for the equivalent of about 60 million and 200 grand a week in wages.
 
...and would have played him at right back.

JWP is a big fish in a small pond, Villa are (once again) no longer a small pond and as such we need better quality.

(I actually reckon he'd make a fine right back!)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on June 10, 2023, 02:43:20 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Monty on June 10, 2023, 02:37:47 PM
Quote from: CT Villan on June 10, 2023, 02:35:26 PM
Quote from: SamTheMouse on June 10, 2023, 02:28:01 PM
O'Neill would have been all over Ward-Prowse, for the equivalent of about 60 million and 200 grand a week in wages.
 
...and would have played him at right back.

JWP is a big fish in a small pond, Villa are (once again) no longer a small pond and as such we need better quality.

(I actually reckon he'd make a fine right back!)
Played right back for Southampton against Grealish at Villa and did ok. It was most frustrating!


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on June 10, 2023, 02:50:02 PM
			

			

				He will go to West Ham and do ok. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on June 10, 2023, 03:31:16 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pablo_picasso on June 10, 2023, 01:17:07 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on June 10, 2023, 01:03:09 PM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on June 10, 2023, 11:05:25 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on June 09, 2023, 04:26:48 PM
We won't be after JWP.  He's a good player, one of those I think who you would appreciate more if he played for you, but we won't be spending that sort of money on decent English players.  

Plus I tried repeatedly to buy him in FIFA when he was a youngster and the fucker would never join (was the only time I ever played FIFA).  And as for that golf club celebration...

Ward-Prowse is a decidedly average footballer. 

Great at set pieces, but as a footballer, he is slow & weak. He can pass the ball well, but we already have Dendoncker who is slow & can pass the ball well, but he is 6'2".

I think we have moved on from paying premium prices for average English footballers.

As has been said, he is regularly in the top distance coverers in the league (if not top). I doubt he's that slow and weak.

Distance covered is about how much he runs around. 

His pace & strength have little to do with that. 

Although I can see where one could argue that pace would help him get around, but its more about his stamina & his desire to get around the pitch. 

And at Southampton, he has had to do that a lot.

He is still weak & slow though. 

And average an footballer who would probably cost more than he is worth because he is English.

So it a firm "no thanks" from me.

Completed less tackles than McGinn, Ramsey or Luiz so another not upgrade thing….feel grubby even looking up a stat…the moment I look up anything like that xG BS I’ll cut up my season ticket and put boot through tv.

As for captain slow JWP, it was a yes two years ago when ambition was purely to stay in this league…now we are looking at top 6 challenges he is miles off the standard required.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Londonvilla on June 10, 2023, 03:43:07 PM
			

			

				Nico Williams representative makes it impossible with Athletic

https://bilbaohiria.com/deportes/representante-de-nico-williams-lo-pone-imposible-con-el-athletic/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Maria Jose Gonzalez

June 10, 2023 | 2:10 p.m.

According to Jon Uriarte, Athletic has a hole of €30 million
Summer promises to be hot in the world of Basque football. Nico Williams , the emerging jewel of Athletic Club, finds himself in the middle of a tug of war between the rojiblanco club and the siren songs coming from the Premier League. The game is on and the tactical moves are happening at breakneck speed.

The British Bid: Aston Villa Enter the Game
Félix Tainta, representative of Nico Williams, has confirmed the existence of an offer from Aston Villa , a renowned club in the English Premier League. This proposal has fallen like lightning on the Athletic board, forcing it to reconsider the bet they had put on the table to retain their young promise.

The English entity sees in Williams a valuable asset, capable of adding freshness, speed and overflow to its offensive line. Although the Bilbao club knows of the potential of the young winger, the British offer could force an improvement in the conditions for the player in San Mamés.

Unai Emery Enters the Scene: Secret Meeting?
Something that adds more flavor to this broth of intrigues is the supposed meeting that Nico Williams would have had with Unai Emery , the experienced Basque coach who currently leads Villarreal CF. The ramifications of this meeting are still uncertain, but they suggest that other clubs may enter the bid for the talented footballer.

Emery, known for his ability to develop young talent, could see Williams as an interesting project for his tactical scheme. However, for now everything remains conjecture and rumors, thus adding another layer of uncertainty to the player's future.

The Next Step: What Will Happen with Nico Williams?
With an offer from the Premier on the table and the shadow of a meeting with Emery, the future of Nico Williams seems to be full of possibilities. Athletic, aware of the player's potential, is in a delicate position to retain his promise.

If the rojiblanco club wants to keep Williams in their ranks, they will need to play their cards wisely. However, in this football chess game, there is no guarantee of victory for either side.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on June 10, 2023, 04:21:47 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on June 10, 2023, 10:39:15 AM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on June 10, 2023, 10:01:05 AM
Quote from: Mister E on June 10, 2023, 07:05:24 AM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on June 09, 2023, 02:13:56 PM
I suspected links with US players and Chris Heck may have some sway/imput for taking Tyler Adams if we sign the American International

I'm not sure Chris Heck would be known by Adams - he's a businessman rather than a footballing man.
This has been pointed out to him many time but he still insists on pedalling this bollocks.
People see connections in various ways. I perceive an American link that others don't want to see, which is understandable, but we can all allow ourselves to think of our own thoughts without making such unpleasant comments. Even if their beliefs and opinions differ, everyone ultimately supports the same club. In this scenario, it's simply alternative thought and seemed to be informed it's not welcome.
Personally, I think Heck, in helping out the club, as does Purslow, will have a view. And we can't say Purslow wasn't involved with Gerrard's signing. The theory may not be correct, but I like to look at links.
 

Heck will have nothing to do with players or player recruitment…if you are asking why as a football club we are bringing in a high powered executive who is tasked to improve revenues at the exact time we are appearing to be ready to announce a 3 year shirt sponsorship deal with a filthy scummy gambling company rather than a more ethical brand you might be more in Heck’s wheelhouse of influence.


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on June 10, 2023, 04:44:05 PM
			

			

				How many Americans have we signed since Wes Edens helped take over the club. How many Egyptians since Nas? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Astnor on June 10, 2023, 04:58:39 PM
			

			

				Nico Williams looks and plays a bit like Tony Daley.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on June 10, 2023, 05:00:30 PM
			

			

				Imagine being a well-respected American business, involved in basketball and probably never previously been interested in 'soccer'. Because of the impressive job he did in improving their commercial side, he gets recruited by an English Premier League team. 

First day on the job, Johan Lange, the head of said club's recruitment department hastily arranges a meeting with the businessman. They meet and Lange promptly asks him whether he knows of any good American footballers that he might want to recruit. 

The American replies, "isn't that department?" "I'm here for my contacts and experience in building the commerce of a sports franchise."

Lange replies "Oh" and carefully retreats away from the meeting. 

Batshit. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on June 10, 2023, 05:36:24 PM
			

			

				The Athletic are saying the medical for Teilemans is underway.

As ever if Unai wants him then we’ll hopefully see Youri of 2/3 years ago
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on June 10, 2023, 05:37:00 PM
			

			

				Ornstein announcing Tielemans is a done deal
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Lsvilla on June 10, 2023, 05:37:07 PM
			

			

				Tielemans happening it appears based on The Athletic tweets a couple of moments ago. One of a few sources I consider remotely reliable. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on June 10, 2023, 05:38:46 PM
			

			

				Let’s wait on Romano at minimum before putting up the bunting 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: frank black on June 10, 2023, 05:40:34 PM
			

			

				I like Tielemans. Needs to get his head in gear after an awful season, but I think this is a very good move.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Stu on June 10, 2023, 05:43:28 PM
			

			

				Called it
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on June 10, 2023, 05:57:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on June 08, 2023, 04:20:27 PM
What do you think of 23/24 Squad? 

Goal Keepers
Martinez/ Raya

Defence
Foyth/Cash
Pau Torres/Konsa
I'm Eric laporte/Mings
Moreno/Digne


Midfield /Attack 
Tielmans/Kamara
Guendouzi/Luiz
Lo Celso /Buendia
McGinn/Ward Prowse
Nico Williams/Bailey/Lee Kang Inn
Ramsey/Barnes/Alberto Moleiro
Pedro Goncalves /Coutinho/Summerville

Strikers
Santiago Giménez/Watkins/Archer/Marcus Thuram
One off the list and another 14 to go.
Or more likely 5 or 6.

Tielemans wins FA Cups.  Quality signing. Quality player.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on June 10, 2023, 06:00:20 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 07, 2023, 09:02:19 AM
Tielemans 1/4 to join us now, next best Roma 6/1. Kind of similar to the way the price dropped on Emery.

Be interesting to know where Toney’s money is.

Good Spot Percy Mc

Quote from: chrisw1 on June 07, 2023, 09:22:06 AM
A decent analysis of Tieleman's game.


Good foresight putting this up! 


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Daley’s dreads on June 10, 2023, 06:37:08 PM
			

			

				Oxlade-Chamberlain too? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 10, 2023, 06:38:57 PM
			

			

				Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain is on the verge of completing a free transfer to Aston Villa. @talkSPORT #avfc


Hmmm. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: aldridgeboy on June 10, 2023, 06:39:42 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Daley’s dreads on June 10, 2023, 06:37:08 PM
Oxlade-Chamberlain too? 

Just saw that. On a freebie that’s good business as well
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on June 10, 2023, 06:40:29 PM
			

			

				He’s a good player, his problem is injuries.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ger Regan on June 10, 2023, 06:41:29 PM
			

			

				Did oxlade chamberlain play under unai at arsenal?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Daley’s dreads on June 10, 2023, 06:49:21 PM
			

			

				IF we can keep him fit! Hopefully his wages will be heavily weighted towards bonuses for appearances if he signs. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 10, 2023, 06:53:33 PM
			

			

				He's one I've said in the past that I don't mind but people really didn't agree. I think he's alright... he's just never fit, which is a problem.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 10, 2023, 07:13:15 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Londonvilla on June 10, 2023, 03:43:07 PM
Nico Williams representative makes it impossible with Athletic

https://bilbaohiria.com/deportes/representante-de-nico-williams-lo-pone-imposible-con-el-athletic/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Maria Jose Gonzalez

June 10, 2023 | 2:10 p.m.

According to Jon Uriarte, Athletic has a hole of €30 million
Summer promises to be hot in the world of Basque football. Nico Williams , the emerging jewel of Athletic Club, finds himself in the middle of a tug of war between the rojiblanco club and the siren songs coming from the Premier League. The game is on and the tactical moves are happening at breakneck speed.

The British Bid: Aston Villa Enter the Game
Félix Tainta, representative of Nico Williams, has confirmed the existence of an offer from Aston Villa , a renowned club in the English Premier League. This proposal has fallen like lightning on the Athletic board, forcing it to reconsider the bet they had put on the table to retain their young promise.

The English entity sees in Williams a valuable asset, capable of adding freshness, speed and overflow to its offensive line. Although the Bilbao club knows of the potential of the young winger, the British offer could force an improvement in the conditions for the player in San Mamés.

Unai Emery Enters the Scene: Secret Meeting?
Something that adds more flavor to this broth of intrigues is the supposed meeting that Nico Williams would have had with Unai Emery , the experienced Basque coach who currently leads Villarreal CF. The ramifications of this meeting are still uncertain, but they suggest that other clubs may enter the bid for the talented footballer.

Emery, known for his ability to develop young talent, could see Williams as an interesting project for his tactical scheme. However, for now everything remains conjecture and rumors, thus adding another layer of uncertainty to the player's future.

The Next Step: What Will Happen with Nico Williams?
With an offer from the Premier on the table and the shadow of a meeting with Emery, the future of Nico Williams seems to be full of possibilities. Athletic, aware of the player's potential, is in a delicate position to retain his promise.

If the rojiblanco club wants to keep Williams in their ranks, they will need to play their cards wisely. However, in this football chess game, there is no guarantee of victory for either side.

That’s going to upset the ‘Aston Villa are’ philistines.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Londonvilla on June 10, 2023, 07:15:28 PM
			

			

				Aston Villa want to sign Manuel Lanzini as West Ham United contract set to expire

https://www.westhamzone.com/transfers/aston-villa-want-to-sign-manuel-lanzini-as-west-ham-united-contract-set-to-expire/

“The 30-year-old experienced star is also interested in the Argentine club River Plate, along with Aston Villa, one of the Premier League teams.”

What is going on ..............
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Goldenballs on June 10, 2023, 07:24:21 PM
			

			

				A big fat no to Oxlade-Chamberlain. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: FatSam on June 10, 2023, 07:45:24 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on June 10, 2023, 10:39:15 AM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on June 10, 2023, 10:01:05 AM
Quote from: Mister E on June 10, 2023, 07:05:24 AM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on June 09, 2023, 02:13:56 PM
I suspected links with US players and Chris Heck may have some sway/imput for taking Tyler Adams if we sign the American International

I'm not sure Chris Heck would be known by Adams - he's a businessman rather than a footballing man.
This has been pointed out to him many time but he still insists on pedalling this bollocks.
People see connections in various ways. I perceive an American link that others don't want to see, which is understandable, but we can all allow ourselves to think of our own thoughts without making such unpleasant comments. Even if their beliefs and opinions differ, everyone ultimately supports the same club. In this scenario, it's simply alternative thought and seemed to be informed it's not welcome.
Personally, I think Heck, in helping out the club, as does Purslow, will have a view. And we can't say Purslow wasn't involved with Gerrard's signing. The theory may not be correct, but I like to look at links.
 
Purslow is the Chief Executive, so him having a view on who is appointed manager, the most important position in the entire organisation, is completely expected. In fact it would be a shock if he didn’t. Heck on the other hand is the President of Business Operations, and his expertise is in sales and marketing. He has no involvement on the football side, and his last job was in a different sport FFS. We have very expensively assembled a structure on the football side, and appear to be looking for a football executive to head it up. Heck is not part of that structure. Your argument is alternative thought in the same way as the flat earth society.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeonW on June 10, 2023, 07:48:51 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Londonvilla on June 10, 2023, 07:15:28 PM
Aston Villa want to sign Manuel Lanzini as West Ham United contract set to expire

https://www.westhamzone.com/transfers/aston-villa-want-to-sign-manuel-lanzini-as-west-ham-united-contract-set-to-expire/

“The 30-year-old experienced star is also interested in the Argentine club River Plate, along with Aston Villa, one of the Premier League teams.”

What is going on ..............

We don’t need another inconsistent Argentinian attacking midfielder when we already have one. We need someone who can look after the ball
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SamTheMouse on June 10, 2023, 08:05:34 PM
			

			

				Oxlade thingy can fuck off. Even BUPA won't insure him. He's made of snow globes.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on June 10, 2023, 08:12:44 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Goldenballs on June 10, 2023, 07:24:21 PM
A big fat no to Oxlade-Chamberlain.

Im with you on this. No thank you.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on June 10, 2023, 08:15:12 PM
			

			

				I see the Ox thread is gone. Kippax blew his load too quickly. Never trust TS on anything, even if they tell you Laura Woods works there. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Exeter 77 on June 10, 2023, 08:17:27 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Astnor on June 10, 2023, 04:58:39 PM
Nico Williams looks and plays a bit like Tony Daley.
Suddenly I'm excited by that potential signing.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 10, 2023, 08:21:12 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 10, 2023, 07:13:15 PM
Quote from: Londonvilla on June 10, 2023, 03:43:07 PM
Nico Williams representative makes it impossible with Athletic

https://bilbaohiria.com/deportes/representante-de-nico-williams-lo-pone-imposible-con-el-athletic/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

That’s going to upset the ‘Aston Villa are’ philistines.

I'm more upset by the news that Unai is back as manager at Villarreal.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 10, 2023, 08:57:13 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Astnor on June 10, 2023, 04:58:39 PM
Nico Williams looks and plays a bit like Tony Daley.

sign him . I fcuking loved TD
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 10, 2023, 09:00:00 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeonW on June 10, 2023, 07:48:51 PM
Quote from: Londonvilla on June 10, 2023, 07:15:28 PM
Aston Villa want to sign Manuel Lanzini as West Ham United contract set to expire

https://www.westhamzone.com/transfers/aston-villa-want-to-sign-manuel-lanzini-as-west-ham-united-contract-set-to-expire/

“The 30-year-old experienced star is also interested in the Argentine club River Plate, along with Aston Villa, one of the Premier League teams.”

What is going on ..............

We don’t need another inconsistent Argentinian attacking midfielder when we already have one. We need someone who can look after the ball

completely agree 


not good enough
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Londonvilla on June 10, 2023, 09:00:52 PM
			

			

				https://twitter.com/greggevans40/status/1667598894761406472?cxt=HHwWkMCz4YCXwKQuAAAA


Gregg Evans
@greggevans40
Good start from #AVFC to get Youri Tielemans on a free (big contract offered as NSWE are prepared to loosen wage structure this year).  

Nothing in the reports on Alex Oxlade Chamberlain at this stage, though. Villa are not close to signing him.



fingers cross he's right 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on June 10, 2023, 09:06:04 PM
			

			

				Oh please not AOC under any circumstances. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SamTheMouse on June 10, 2023, 09:20:50 PM
			

			

				I hope "not close to signing him" means "were never interested in signing him".
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: nigel on June 10, 2023, 10:03:58 PM
			

			

				Aston Villa and Tottenham are chasing Italian attacker Nicolo Zaniolo, 23, from Galatasaray but face competition from Juventus and AC Milan for the player, who has a 35m euro (£30m) release clause. (Tuttojuve.com)

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Londonvilla on June 10, 2023, 10:27:27 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: nigel on June 10, 2023, 10:03:58 PM
Aston Villa and Tottenham are chasing Italian attacker Nicolo Zaniolo, 23, from Galatasaray but face competition from Juventus and AC Milan for the player, who has a 35m euro (£30m) release clause. (Tuttojuve.com)

https://www.juvefc.com/chiesas-replacement-juventus-hold-talks-with-the-agent-of-italy-duo/

Last January, he left Roma to join Galatasaray. However, he has a release clause worth 30 million euros which would allow him to leave the Turkish champions.

Moreover, Galatasaray might even accept a lower offer for the 23-year-old if they fail to progress through the Champions League qualifiers.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on June 10, 2023, 10:44:14 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Londonvilla on June 10, 2023, 10:27:27 PM
Quote from: nigel on June 10, 2023, 10:03:58 PM
Aston Villa and Tottenham are chasing Italian attacker Nicolo Zaniolo, 23, from Galatasaray but face competition from Juventus and AC Milan for the player, who has a 35m euro (£30m) release clause. (Tuttojuve.com)

https://www.juvefc.com/chiesas-replacement-juventus-hold-talks-with-the-agent-of-italy-duo/

Last January, he left Roma to join Galatasaray. However, he has a release clause worth 30 million euros which would allow him to leave the Turkish champions.

Moreover, Galatasaray might even accept a lower offer for the 23-year-old if they fail to progress through the Champions League qualifiers.

Nearly joined Bournemouth in January instead of Galatasaray. 

Fee agreed, Zaniolo thought he could do better, found out that he couldn't, wanted to resurrect the Bournemouth move but it was too late so ended up in Turkey. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on June 10, 2023, 11:42:49 PM
			

			

				Has he scored goals over there?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on June 11, 2023, 12:08:26 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on June 10, 2023, 11:42:49 PM
Has he scored goals over there?

5 goals in 10 games for Galatasaray.

If he was a target for Bournemouth in January, those games must have been incredible for him to now be a target for us or Spurs.  

It looks like our name is going to be uttered by a lot of agents to a lot of mouthpieces to try to excite some interest in their mediocre clients.

Basically the standard of player we might have signed two or three seasons ago, but are now not good enough for us.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on June 11, 2023, 12:50:29 AM
			

			

				Zaniolo is a tough one to know what to think, 3-4 years ago he was the next big thing in Italy but then he had 2 nasty ACL injuries and missed 18months of football. If he can get back on track he can still be a top player but I think the Roma fans decided he was fucked and wanted him gone. It's probably a year too soon for him to get a big move to a top league, he really needs to have a run of this sort of form for longer before anyone would spend big on him, I think.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on June 11, 2023, 07:42:44 AM
			

			

				Article in The Athletic on Tielemans and the window;

https://theathletic.com/4599176/2023/06/11/tielemans-aston-villa-transfer-premier-league/?source=user_shared_article (https://theathletic.com/4599176/2023/06/11/tielemans-aston-villa-transfer-premier-league/?source=user_shared_article)

“Emery is focused on going deep into the domestic cup competitions this season, too, after falling at the first hurdle in both the Carabao Cup and FA Cup under his control.”

“They will now look to offload Morgan Sanson, who spent the second half of the season on loan at Strasbourg, and Marvelous Nakamba, who helped Luton Town win promotion from the Championship.”

“Leander Dendoncker is attracting interest, too, with three clubs understood to be interested in signing him this summer.”

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: mike on June 11, 2023, 10:03:33 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on June 10, 2023, 08:57:13 PM
Quote from: Astnor on June 10, 2023, 04:58:39 PM
Nico Williams looks and plays a bit like Tony Daley.

sign him . I fcuking loved TD

Reading this without my glasses on I had a split second where that was Troy Deeney.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on June 11, 2023, 10:53:22 AM
			

			

				Sounds as though Zaniolo is a bit of a prima donna. Needs to go to Juve I think.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on June 11, 2023, 11:17:39 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: olaftab on June 11, 2023, 10:53:22 AM
Sounds as though Zaniolo is a bit of a prima donna. Needs to go to Juve I think. 

Yeah, I was speaking to some Roma fans about him & they despise him because he is a bit of a prick.

He might be tall, fast, good on the ball with potential, but Im not sure he is worth the gamble. 

Especially for £30m.

We should try for Beto from Udinese instead.


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on June 11, 2023, 11:38:52 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pablo_picasso on June 11, 2023, 11:17:39 AM
Quote from: olaftab on June 11, 2023, 10:53:22 AM
Sounds as though Zaniolo is a bit of a prima donna. Needs to go to Juve I think. 

Yeah, I was speaking to some Roma fans about him & they despise him because he is a bit of a prick.

He might be tall, fast, good on the ball with potential, but Im not sure he is worth the gamble. 

Especially for £30m.

We should try for Beto from Udinese instead.

and he’s torn his ACL twice.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: frank black on June 11, 2023, 12:04:44 PM
			

			

				So he’s probably just tall and good on the ball after 2 ACL operations 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on June 11, 2023, 01:28:31 PM
			

			

				And bit of a prick by the sound of it. Hard pass. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: UK Redsox on June 11, 2023, 01:40:55 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: olaftab on June 10, 2023, 09:06:04 PM
Oh please not AOC under any circumstances. 

Can Villa not use a left-winger ?

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4a/Alexandria_Ocasio-Cortez_Official_Portrait.jpg)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on June 11, 2023, 05:24:59 PM
			

			

				Apparently getting closer to Pedro Gonçalves, whatever that means. Might be a proximity thing, closer than 6ft etc. Departure from Sporting “imminent”, so they are likely “bracing” themselves for a bid. Also, Samuel Chukwueze. Not to be confused by that other bell end with a last name starting Chuk..
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SamTheMouse on June 11, 2023, 05:27:27 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 11, 2023, 05:24:59 PM
Also, Samuel Chukwueze.

Yes please.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: N'ZMAV on June 11, 2023, 05:30:35 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: SamTheMouse on June 11, 2023, 05:27:27 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 11, 2023, 05:24:59 PM
Also, Samuel Chukwueze.

Yes please.
 Chukwueze and Jackson at Villarreal look fantastic
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on June 11, 2023, 05:36:39 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: N'ZMAV on June 11, 2023, 05:30:35 PM
Quote from: SamTheMouse on June 11, 2023, 05:27:27 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 11, 2023, 05:24:59 PM
Also, Samuel Chukwueze.

Yes please.
 Chukwueze and Jackson at Villarreal look fantastic

Agreed, either one would be a welcome addition. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Londonvilla on June 11, 2023, 08:11:47 PM
			

			

				Man Utd offered Kounde, Ansu to Aston Villa and Kessie wants Barca stay - FootballTransfers' update

https://www.footballtransfers.com/en/transfer-news/uk-premier-league/2023/06/barcelona-transfer-news-man-utd-jules-kounde-ansu-fati-aston-villa-franck-kessie-latest

Unai Emery’s Aston Villa have been linked with Barcelona forward Ansu Fati.

According to Football Transfers, Aston Villa have already held talks with the agent of Barcelona forward Ansu Fati.


It's a very thin link.............but it would be great

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on June 11, 2023, 08:21:28 PM
			

			

				By the looks of it we're going for the Chelsea policy of too much is never enough this summer. Squad of 50, should be enough to battle on four fronts and win at least two of them.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on June 11, 2023, 08:25:32 PM
			

			

				Huh?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on June 11, 2023, 08:26:03 PM
			

			

				Well Chelsea actually bought them. We’ve been linked with a million players. I think in the end we will just have a very solid PL squad of 25 plus some kids who will stick around for extra depth. Right now I don’t know we have 20. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on June 11, 2023, 08:27:40 PM
			

			

				Fati would be an incredible signing. He's had a tough 12-18months but he's an exceptional talent who's still only 20. I'd assume they'd want a buy back clause in there but so long as it's a massive markup on what we pay I'd be ok with it.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Londonvilla on June 11, 2023, 08:30:21 PM
			

			

				Chelsea are reportedly ready to let Carney Chukwuemeka leave, with AC Milan interested in the midfielder.

According to Italian journalist Gianluca Di Marzio on his website, AC Milan are interested in signing Carney Chukwuemeka from Chelsea in the summer transfer window.

Chelsea have reportedly put the 19-year-old midfielder on the transfer list.

https://www.thechelseachronicle.com/news/report-chelsea-are-now-ready-to-offload-their-20m-midfielder/


LOL..........do we have a sell-on clause, or do we buy him back?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 11, 2023, 08:32:40 PM
			

			

				^^^ Everton inside three years.

Poor the Carney.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on June 11, 2023, 08:32:49 PM
			

			

				That would be the definition of failing upwards if he ended up at Milan 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Londonvilla on June 11, 2023, 08:43:47 PM
			

			

				Aston Villa are reportedly interested in signing Fulham midfielder Joao Palhinha, a target for Manchester United and Tottenham.

https://thehardtackle.com/transfer-news/2023/05/06/aston-villa-join-race-to-sign-joao-palhinha/

https://www.football365.com/news/west-ham-face-double-blow-aston-villa-hijack-move-declan-rice-replacement

A great player weak link
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 11, 2023, 08:49:42 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Londonvilla on June 11, 2023, 08:30:21 PM

AC Milan are interested in signing Carney Chukwuemeka from Chelsea in the summer transfer window.

Chelsea have reportedly put the 19-year-old midfielder on the transfer list.


The first part is very surprising, the second part is not at all.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on June 11, 2023, 09:10:29 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: N'ZMAV on June 11, 2023, 05:30:35 PM
Quote from: SamTheMouse on June 11, 2023, 05:27:27 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 11, 2023, 05:24:59 PM
Also, Samuel Chukwueze.

Yes please.
 Chukwueze and Jackson at Villarreal look fantastic

I think AC Milan are after Chukwueze. 

Imagine him on the right & Leao on the left... 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 11, 2023, 09:12:28 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pablo_picasso on June 11, 2023, 09:10:29 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on June 11, 2023, 05:30:35 PM
Quote from: SamTheMouse on June 11, 2023, 05:27:27 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 11, 2023, 05:24:59 PM
Also, Samuel Chukwueze.

Yes please.
 Chukwueze and Jackson at Villarreal look fantastic

I think AC Milan are after Chukwueze. 

No, Milan are after Chukwuemeka.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: CT Villan on June 11, 2023, 11:42:02 PM
			

			

				...on loan.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 11, 2023, 11:57:22 PM
			

			

				I don't know whether this has been mentioned, or whether two players being signed on frees equates to a 'policy', but if it is, it strikes me as a good one. We get quality in, in a way that's kinder on our FFP record, and we're not giving potential rivals a big chunk of cash. More!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on June 12, 2023, 12:34:18 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on June 11, 2023, 11:57:22 PM
I don't know whether this has been mentioned, or whether two players being signed on frees equates to a 'policy', but if it is, it strikes me as a good one. We get quality in, in a way that's kinder on our FFP record, and we're not giving potential rivals a big chunk of cash. More!

Transfers are crazy, so it only makes sense to spend big on truly transformational players.

Tielemans on a free, or Ward-Prowse for £30-£40 million?  You may rate Ward-Prowse higher, but he's not £40m higher.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: nigel on June 12, 2023, 08:11:40 AM
			

			

				Manchester United will only accept a permanent deal from Newcastle United for England defender Harry Maguire, but they would consider loaning the 30-year-old to Aston Villa. (Sun)

Obviously not a great link.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on June 12, 2023, 08:39:27 AM
			

			

				I don't get all these Maguire links.

We are supposed to be in the market for another centre back, but surely there will be better options out there for us?

He has another two years on his contract so will cost us, he'll be on a big wage and will want to drop as little as possible, if at all, and he's not significantly better than what we have to justify too much of a spend.

If he was on a free, I'd understand it and it might make sense to get him in for depth, especially as he's partnered with Mings for a few games before too. But if it means spending, I'd rather see someone who has potential to improve us come in.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on June 12, 2023, 09:03:05 AM
			

			

				I doesn't make sense even on a free, we play a high line and he's got the turning circle of a ferry. I'd be amazed if Emery is interested.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on June 12, 2023, 10:57:30 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: nigel on June 12, 2023, 08:11:40 AM
Manchester United will only accept a permanent deal from Newcastle United for England defender Harry Maguire, but they would consider loaning the 30-year-old to Aston Villa. (Sun)

Obviously not a great link.

Why do Yanited like us better than Newcastle?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: rob_bridge on June 12, 2023, 11:00:31 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on June 12, 2023, 09:03:05 AM
I doesn't make sense even on a free, we play a high line and he's got the turning circle of a ferry. I'd be amazed if Emery is interested.

Only makes sense if we going to mix and match and play 3-4-1-2 in some matches. Can't see it happening. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on June 12, 2023, 11:15:43 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on June 12, 2023, 10:57:30 AM
Quote from: nigel on June 12, 2023, 08:11:40 AM
Manchester United will only accept a permanent deal from Newcastle United for England defender Harry Maguire, but they would consider loaning the 30-year-old to Aston Villa. (Sun)

Obviously not a great link.

Why do Yanited like us better than Newcastle?

Presumably because nobody wants to help Newcastle, in particular those who feel most threatened.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smithy on June 12, 2023, 11:22:34 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on June 12, 2023, 11:15:43 AM
Quote from: eamonn on June 12, 2023, 10:57:30 AM
Quote from: nigel on June 12, 2023, 08:11:40 AM
Manchester United will only accept a permanent deal from Newcastle United for England defender Harry Maguire, but they would consider loaning the 30-year-old to Aston Villa. (Sun)

Obviously not a great link.

Why do Yanited like us better than Newcastle?

Presumably because nobody wants to help Newcastle, in particular those who feel most threatened.

And the longer they consider us 'non threatening', the better.  It will make the shock of us being ahead of them next season all the sweeter :-)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 12, 2023, 11:23:53 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on June 12, 2023, 11:15:43 AM
Quote from: eamonn on June 12, 2023, 10:57:30 AM
Quote from: nigel on June 12, 2023, 08:11:40 AM
Manchester United will only accept a permanent deal from Newcastle United for England defender Harry Maguire, but they would consider loaning the 30-year-old to Aston Villa. (Sun)

Obviously not a great link.

Why do Yanited like us better than Newcastle?

Presumably because nobody wants to help Newcastle, in particular those who feel most threatened.

Help? Selling them Harry Maguire?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: danno on June 12, 2023, 11:32:14 AM
			

			

				Maguire should go to Italy. Chris Smalling was much maligned before he left Man United too. Or at the very least to a defensive minded team, he’d do fine at West Ham or Everton.

Like John Terry he’s a right footed left sided defender. So him coming here makes little sense unless he wants to carry Tyrone’s bags for him.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Chris Smith on June 12, 2023, 11:43:32 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on June 12, 2023, 10:57:30 AM
Quote from: nigel on June 12, 2023, 08:11:40 AM
Manchester United will only accept a permanent deal from Newcastle United for England defender Harry Maguire, but they would consider loaning the 30-year-old to Aston Villa. (Sun)

Obviously not a great link.

Why do Yanited like us better than Newcastle?

Both in the Champions League would be my guess.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 12, 2023, 11:58:52 AM
			

			

				No mention of Paul_e's favourite Welshman, Nico Williams? According to William's agent, we've put a bid in.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on June 12, 2023, 12:01:40 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on June 12, 2023, 11:58:52 AM
No mention of Paul_e's favourite Welshman, Nico Williams? According to William's agent, we've put a bid in.

{fistbump} bang tidy!!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on June 12, 2023, 12:21:53 PM
			

			

				Chelsea are looking for new goalkeepers: sniffing round Emi, apparently! Why would he want to move to a team that finished below us last season?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on June 12, 2023, 12:22:54 PM
			

			

				
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Manchester United will only accept a permanent deal from Newcastle United for England defender Harry Maguire, but they would consider loaning the 30-year-old to Aston Villa. (Sun)

Obviously not a great link.

Why do Yanited like us better than Newcastle?

Presumably because nobody wants to help Newcastle, in particular those who feel most threatened.

Help? Selling them Harry Maguire?

That's what I mean, they apparently won't loan him there, only sell him, but they'd loan him to somewhere else....
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on June 12, 2023, 12:43:57 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Behind Bluenose Lines on June 12, 2023, 12:21:53 PM
Chelsea are looking for new goalkeepers: sniffing round Emi, apparently! Why would he want to move to a team that finished below us last season?

His scent is about all they’re gonna get.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ger Regan on June 12, 2023, 12:50:11 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on June 12, 2023, 12:01:40 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on June 12, 2023, 11:58:52 AM
No mention of Paul_e's favourite Welshman, Nico Williams? According to William's agent, we've put a bid in.

{fistbump} bang tidy!!
Possibly not going to go down well if this bit of the athletic article is anything to go by....

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Negotiations with Villa became tighter and more secretive. He would later go on to warn player representatives that deals would not go through if they were leaked into the public domain. Privacy almost became an obsession; the club would take great pride in announcing transfers that had not been reported previously in the media. For some, this felt draining.

Personally i'm a big fan of how we've conducted transfers since NSWE came in, hopefully it continues that way.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on June 12, 2023, 12:59:41 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on June 12, 2023, 11:58:52 AM
No mention of Paul_e's favourite Welshman, Nico Williams? According to William's agent, we've put a bid in.

any credible sources on that?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 12, 2023, 01:19:57 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on June 12, 2023, 11:58:52 AM
No mention of Paul_e's favourite Welshman, Nico Williams? According to William's agent, we've put a bid in.

I'm waiting for the man to be announced.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on June 12, 2023, 01:49:10 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: coreyfeldman on June 12, 2023, 12:59:41 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on June 12, 2023, 11:58:52 AM
No mention of Paul_e's favourite Welshman, Nico Williams? According to William's agent, we've put a bid in.

any credible sources on that?

There's been rumours on this for a few days.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on June 12, 2023, 01:54:47 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on June 11, 2023, 09:12:28 PM
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Also, Samuel Chukwueze.

Yes please.
 Chukwueze and Jackson at Villarreal look fantastic

I think AC Milan are after Chukwueze. 

No, Milan are after Chukwuemeka.
Chuks agent must be a strange mix of genius and inept.  To somehow get teams like Chelsea and now seemingly Milan interested in him and, in Chelsea's case at least, paying a ridiculous fee and wages when he's done the sum total of sweet F A on the pitch is nothing short of incredible.  

Conversely, the career advice he has given to his client is ridiculously bad.  The kid should have been on loan in the Championship for the past two seasons and now chomping at the bit for a PL starting place next season.  Instead, his career has stagnated and he's lost two crucial years of development.  The massive greedy prick.


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on June 12, 2023, 01:57:04 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on June 12, 2023, 10:57:30 AM
Quote from: nigel on June 12, 2023, 08:11:40 AM
Manchester United will only accept a permanent deal from Newcastle United for England defender Harry Maguire, but they would consider loaning the 30-year-old to Aston Villa. (Sun)

Obviously not a great link.

Why do Yanited like us better than Newcastle?
Must see as as more of a threat so are keener to weaken our team?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on June 12, 2023, 02:00:18 PM
			

			

				Transfermarkt usually lists a player's agent, but still none listed for Chukwuemeka. I've always thought it was his family representing him.

Are Milan going to pay enough for Chelsea not to be making a loss on him? I can see a loan somewhere he will get minutes to try and up his value.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on June 12, 2023, 02:02:16 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on June 12, 2023, 02:00:18 PM
Transfermarkt usually lists a player's agent, but still none listed for Chukwuemeka. I've always thought it was his family representing him.

Are Milan going to pay enough for Chelsea not to be making a loss on him? I can see a loan somewhere he will get minutes to try and up his value.
In fairness he's earning a fortune and going to Milan must be very exciting for a kid of his age.  But I still think he would have been better served tearing up the Championship for Middleborough last season.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on June 12, 2023, 02:11:23 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on June 12, 2023, 01:19:57 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on June 12, 2023, 11:58:52 AM
No mention of Paul_e's favourite Welshman, Nico Williams? According to William's agent, we've put a bid in.

I'm waiting for the man to be announced.

I've heard he can run run run. 

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on June 12, 2023, 02:12:33 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on June 12, 2023, 01:49:10 PM
Quote from: coreyfeldman on June 12, 2023, 12:59:41 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on June 12, 2023, 11:58:52 AM
No mention of Paul_e's favourite Welshman, Nico Williams? According to William's agent, we've put a bid in.

any credible sources on that?

There's been rumours on this for a few days.

Sure, but from where? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on June 12, 2023, 02:15:13 PM
			

			

				https://bilbaohiria.com/deportes/representante-de-nico-williams-lo-pone-imposible-con-el-athletic/
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: CT Villan on June 12, 2023, 02:18:45 PM
			

			

				
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Milan and Chuckie...
 
It reminds me of when Reo-Coker was 'wanted' by Napoli, Juve and Roma...and he ended up at Bolton.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on June 12, 2023, 02:18:59 PM
			

			

				I like all the bits about Unai Emery and secret meetings and calls with people.

He's a bit like Batman really. He creeps into a player's home and waits in the shadows, then, when they walk in, he steps out and tells them about The Project in his most gravelly voice before escaping out the window and swooping down into the night.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on June 12, 2023, 02:33:29 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: coreyfeldman on June 12, 2023, 02:12:33 PM
Quote from: paul_e on June 12, 2023, 01:49:10 PM
Quote from: coreyfeldman on June 12, 2023, 12:59:41 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on June 12, 2023, 11:58:52 AM
No mention of Paul_e's favourite Welshman, Nico Williams? According to William's agent, we've put a bid in.

any credible sources on that?

There's been rumours on this for a few days.

Sure, but from where? 

Sorry, as Risso posted it seems to be coming from some Spanish press. No idea how reliable they are but "his agent says there's an offer" feels a bit more solid than the football insider style bullshit we'd normally disregard.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on June 12, 2023, 02:37:20 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on June 12, 2023, 02:15:13 PM
https://bilbaohiria.com/deportes/representante-de-nico-williams-lo-pone-imposible-con-el-athletic/

That whole article reads like a clickbait link. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on June 12, 2023, 02:51:51 PM
			

			

				Sky have yellow tickertape that we are close to signing Monchi, with advanced negotiations ongoing.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on June 12, 2023, 03:10:50 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on June 12, 2023, 01:54:47 PM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on June 11, 2023, 09:12:28 PM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on June 11, 2023, 09:10:29 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on June 11, 2023, 05:30:35 PM
Quote from: SamTheMouse on June 11, 2023, 05:27:27 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 11, 2023, 05:24:59 PM
Also, Samuel Chukwueze.

Yes please.
 Chukwueze and Jackson at Villarreal look fantastic

I think AC Milan are after Chukwueze. 

No, Milan are after Chukwuemeka.
Chuks agent must be a strange mix of genius and inept.  To somehow get teams like Chelsea and now seemingly Milan interested in him and, in Chelsea's case at least, paying a ridiculous fee and wages when he's done the sum total of sweet F A on the pitch is nothing short of incredible.  

Conversely, the career advice he has given to his client is ridiculously bad.  The kid should have been on loan in the Championship for the past two seasons and now chomping at the bit for a PL starting place next season.  Instead, his career has stagnated and he's lost two crucial years of development.  The massive greedy prick.

I heard they were after Chuckweze. From AC Milan fans. 

Whether thats true or not, its what I heard.

I hadn't heard anything about Chuckwemeka until I got onto this site. 

As for Chukwuemekas agent, doesn't he have a bit of a family posse hanging around giving him "advice" that benefits only them? 

There is always some family hanger on asking, "what can you do for me?"

Should always stay away when the family are too close to the players business. 

Imho.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 12, 2023, 03:12:38 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on June 12, 2023, 02:37:20 PM
Quote from: Risso on June 12, 2023, 02:15:13 PM
https://bilbaohiria.com/deportes/representante-de-nico-williams-lo-pone-imposible-con-el-athletic/

That whole article reads like a clickbait link. 

The article may have been Google translated from either Basque or Spanish but I don't think it's clickbait, it's a regional online newspaper that covers everything, not just football. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on June 12, 2023, 03:13:51 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on June 12, 2023, 03:12:38 PM
Quote from: Drummond on June 12, 2023, 02:37:20 PM
Quote from: Risso on June 12, 2023, 02:15:13 PM
https://bilbaohiria.com/deportes/representante-de-nico-williams-lo-pone-imposible-con-el-athletic/

That whole article reads like a clickbait link. 

The article may have been Google translated from either Basque or Spanish but I don't think it's clickbait, it's a regional online newspaper that covers everything, not just football.

Oh no, I wasn't meaning to infer it was clickbait, just that it read that way; as you say probably Lost in Translation. (I never did like that film)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 12, 2023, 04:26:05 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clampy on June 12, 2023, 02:11:23 PM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on June 12, 2023, 01:19:57 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on June 12, 2023, 11:58:52 AM
No mention of Paul_e's favourite Welshman, Nico Williams? According to William's agent, we've put a bid in.

I'm waiting for the man to be announced.

I've heard he can run run run. 


Pedant Alert: Nico was on the bench.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 12, 2023, 04:26:38 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: CT Villan on June 12, 2023, 02:18:45 PM
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Milan and Chuckie...
 
It reminds me of when Reo-Coker was 'wanted' by Napoli, Juve and Roma...and he ended up at Bolton.

From memory i think it turned out that they wanted him to do a few odd jobs, make the tea, clean some boots maybe have a go at tending the pitch if he proved himself?

I think Milan are currently looking to replace the bloke that cleans the bogs.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on June 12, 2023, 04:35:10 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: CT Villan on June 12, 2023, 02:18:45 PM
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Milan and Chuckie...
 
It reminds me of when Reo-Coker was 'wanted' by Napoli, Juve and Roma...and he ended up at Bolton.
In about 15 years he will release his first book. Main thread will be these are some of the clubs I didn't play for Aston Villa, Chelsea, AC Milan ....
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on June 12, 2023, 04:44:40 PM
			

			

				Sounds like we're very close to getting Monchi in.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 12, 2023, 04:45:47 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on June 12, 2023, 04:44:40 PM
Sounds like we're very close to getting Monchi in.

hope this one doesnt get in a pickle 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: CT Villan on June 12, 2023, 05:24:37 PM
			

			

				I hear Monchi is a big fan of tripi-taka football...move over Barca !
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on June 12, 2023, 07:16:58 PM
			

			

				Surprised that Orkun Kokcu has gone to Benfica. Thought us or one of the top end Premier League sides would be signing him. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on June 12, 2023, 08:09:12 PM
			

			

				I don't yet know how Monchi is pronounced, so I'm going to assume it sounds similar to Monkey...

The nature of Monchi was IRREPRESSIBLE!


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 12, 2023, 08:17:05 PM
			

			

				I would imagine Monshi but isn't he Basque so I'll wait a few weeks or months..
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on June 12, 2023, 10:15:53 PM
			

			

				Kylian Mbappe might be available.

Refusing to sign a new contract.

Time for some Monch Magic?  8)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: johnc on June 13, 2023, 08:01:44 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on June 12, 2023, 08:17:05 PM
I would imagine Monshi but isn't he Basque so I'll wait a few weeks or months..
He isn't Basque. He is from the South of the South of Spain. I would go for Monchy
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dave shelley on June 13, 2023, 08:42:48 AM
			

			

				 ;) Ok
Quote from: johnc on June 13, 2023, 08:01:44 AM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on June 12, 2023, 08:17:05 PM
I would imagine Monshi but isn't he Basque so I'll wait a few weeks or months..
He isn't Basque. He is from the South of the South of Spain. I would go for Monchy

Moroccan then John?   ;)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 13, 2023, 11:22:57 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on June 12, 2023, 07:16:58 PM
Surprised that Orkun Kokcu has gone to Benfica. Thought us or one of the top end Premier League sides would be signing him. 

They moved quickly and smartly. They only paid €25m which is roughly £21.5m, not a bad bit of business, the barstewards.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on June 13, 2023, 12:26:19 PM
			

			

				Kante to Saudi is done.  £100m a year.  He'll have earnt about £18m before the season even starts.  Probably tax free I'd guess?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 13, 2023, 12:29:04 PM
			

			

				Oil states finding another way to ruin football, I see.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on June 13, 2023, 12:35:42 PM
			

			

				Hirving Lozano anyone? Latest name linked. Expect him to sign for PSG now. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 13, 2023, 12:36:39 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 13, 2023, 12:29:04 PM
Oil states finding another way to ruin football, I see.

but will people watch it ?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on June 13, 2023, 12:40:29 PM
			

			

				Is there one player who is currently relevant to have gone there? I know there are some names but many are players who are past their best not entering their prime. For the players, taking the moral dilemma aside, in their 30’s at the tail end of what has been an excellent career, why not accept the ludicrous amount of money? Often 10x or more than what they would get elsewhere. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 13, 2023, 12:42:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on June 13, 2023, 12:26:19 PM
Kante to Saudi is done.  £100m a year.  He'll have earnt about £18m before the season even starts.  Probably tax free I'd guess?

Deal worth £100m wages, but doesn't say how many years? Can't be £100m for 1 year surely?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on June 13, 2023, 12:42:45 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on June 13, 2023, 12:26:19 PM
Kante to Saudi is done.  £100m a year.  He'll have earnt about £18m before the season even starts.  Probably tax free I'd guess?
I used to work with a girl who spent her teenage years that way on - one of the oil states, can't remember which one.  Moved back there about 5-10 years ago. Anyway, she reckoned the pay was to all intents & purposes tax free, and going out drinking etc there was relatively safe as a western girl - just get a taxi to & from a hotel, don't go out on the streets at night, and nobody gave a shit.  Personally I'd find that a bit ... I dunno, off.  But she evidently didn't see it as weird.

Also reckoned it was bloody brutal if you had the wrong colour skin, though.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on June 13, 2023, 12:44:25 PM
			

			

				I don't get it. I know they've got more money than they know what to do with, but what's to be gained by paying somebody like Kante £2m a week? He's coming towards the end of his career and would probably be delighted with a tenth of that. There's no way that Saudi Arabia are ever going to have a "proper" big boys league, and nobody's going to be paying big money to watch it. I don't really understand what they're trying to do.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on June 13, 2023, 12:45:35 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on June 13, 2023, 12:44:25 PM
I don't get it. I know they've got more money than they know what to do with, but what's to be gained by paying somebody like Kante £2m a week? He's coming towards the end of his career and would probably be delighted with a tenth of that. There's no way that Saudi Arabia are ever going to have a "proper" big boys league, and nobody's going to be paying big money to watch it. I don't really understand what they're trying to do.

Not sure regarding the Saudi league, but the golf is the example of what they're going for with football in general
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on June 13, 2023, 12:46:05 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: algy on June 13, 2023, 12:42:45 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on June 13, 2023, 12:26:19 PM
Kante to Saudi is done.  £100m a year.  He'll have earnt about £18m before the season even starts.  Probably tax free I'd guess?
I used to work with a girl who spent her teenage years that way on - one of the oil states, can't remember which one.  Moved back there about 5-10 years ago. Anyway, she reckoned the pay was to all intents & purposes tax free, and going out drinking etc there was relatively safe as a western girl - just get a taxi to & from a hotel, don't go out on the streets at night, and nobody gave a shit.  Personally I'd find that a bit ... I dunno, off.  But she evidently didn't see it as weird.

Also reckoned it was bloody brutal if you had the wrong colour skin, though.

It's like most of the rich countries in the Middle East. Great if you're a westerner on holiday or working there, not so much fun if you're imported slave labour from the Sub-Continent.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on June 13, 2023, 12:48:42 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on June 13, 2023, 12:45:35 PM
Quote from: Risso on June 13, 2023, 12:44:25 PM
I don't get it. I know they've got more money than they know what to do with, but what's to be gained by paying somebody like Kante £2m a week? He's coming towards the end of his career and would probably be delighted with a tenth of that. There's no way that Saudi Arabia are ever going to have a "proper" big boys league, and nobody's going to be paying big money to watch it. I don't really understand what they're trying to do.

Not sure regarding the Saudi league, but the golf is the example of what they're going for with football in general

Yes, obviously buying stuff (football clubs outside of Saudi and golf etc) is a great way of sports washing and buying soft influence around the world. I can totally see what they're hoping to get from buying Newcastle and LIV Golf/the PGA etc.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on June 13, 2023, 12:53:12 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on June 13, 2023, 12:42:17 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on June 13, 2023, 12:26:19 PM
Kante to Saudi is done.  £100m a year.  He'll have earnt about £18m before the season even starts.  Probably tax free I'd guess?

Deal worth £100m wages, but doesn't say how many years? Can't be £100m for 1 year surely?
Fabrizio saying:

◉ Medical tests completed in London.

◉ 2 year deal with an option for further season.

◉ €100m per season salary — figure includes image rights, commercial deals and ‘creative’ portfolio.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on June 13, 2023, 12:54:18 PM
			

			

				Absolutely obscene. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on June 13, 2023, 12:56:32 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on June 13, 2023, 12:48:42 PM
Quote from: LeeB on June 13, 2023, 12:45:35 PM
Quote from: Risso on June 13, 2023, 12:44:25 PM
I don't get it. I know they've got more money than they know what to do with, but what's to be gained by paying somebody like Kante £2m a week? He's coming towards the end of his career and would probably be delighted with a tenth of that. There's no way that Saudi Arabia are ever going to have a "proper" big boys league, and nobody's going to be paying big money to watch it. I don't really understand what they're trying to do.

Not sure regarding the Saudi league, but the golf is the example of what they're going for with football in general

Yes, obviously buying stuff (football clubs outside of Saudi and golf etc) is a great way of sports washing and buying soft influence around the world. I can totally see what they're hoping to get from buying Newcastle and LIV Golf/the PGA etc.

It wouldn't surprise me if we saw a push, in the next decade or so, for Saudi clubs to be incorporated in the Champions League ... or at least, a push for a higher status in the FIFA world club cup.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 13, 2023, 12:57:55 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on June 13, 2023, 12:53:12 PM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on June 13, 2023, 12:42:17 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on June 13, 2023, 12:26:19 PM
Kante to Saudi is done.  £100m a year.  He'll have earnt about £18m before the season even starts.  Probably tax free I'd guess?

Deal worth £100m wages, but doesn't say how many years? Can't be £100m for 1 year surely?
Fabrizio saying:

◉ Medical tests completed in London.

◉ 2 year deal with an option for further season.

◉ €100m per season salary — figure includes image rights, commercial deals and ‘creative’ portfolio.

He is (or certainly was) a superb player but fucking hell. Hope the bubble bursts as quick as it's started.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: cdward on June 13, 2023, 01:01:21 PM
			

			

				I imagine that the 4 teams that the PIF (public investment fund) have bought is to try and make the league competitive and interesting.
It doesn't work like that, just look at the MLS, they were throwing money at players in the 70's and 80's, and only now with teams being somewhat established and fan bases growing is the MLS being taken seriously as a competitive league.
The Saudis are just doing what is easy and throwing money around.
Some players are going to get very rich. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on June 13, 2023, 01:01:50 PM
			

			

				China seemed to be trying the same thing a few years back. They seemed to get bored of it fairly quickly.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 13, 2023, 01:01:56 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: johnc on June 13, 2023, 08:01:44 AM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on June 12, 2023, 08:17:05 PM
I would imagine Monshi but isn't he Basque so I'll wait a few weeks or months..
He isn't Basque. He is from the South of the South of Spain. I would go for Monchy

He's from Cadiz so just growl his name as though it's coming out of a transistor radio.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on June 13, 2023, 01:02:55 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on June 13, 2023, 12:57:55 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on June 13, 2023, 12:53:12 PM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on June 13, 2023, 12:42:17 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on June 13, 2023, 12:26:19 PM
Kante to Saudi is done.  £100m a year.  He'll have earnt about £18m before the season even starts.  Probably tax free I'd guess?

Deal worth £100m wages, but doesn't say how many years? Can't be £100m for 1 year surely?
Fabrizio saying:

◉ Medical tests completed in London.

◉ 2 year deal with an option for further season.

◉ €100m per season salary — figure includes image rights, commercial deals and ‘creative’ portfolio.

He is (or certainly was) a superb player but fucking hell. Hope the bubble bursts as quick as it's started.

The only positive is that he in particular will most likely use most of that to help people less fortunate than himself
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Chris_Jephcott on June 13, 2023, 01:05:29 PM
			

			

				If I can relate it to my career path:

There are airlines in that part of the world offering £22000 a month tax free to Aircraft Captains excluding education and living allowances, car allowance, duty pay etc… 

We simply cannot keep up with the wages being offered out there in Europe. It’s obscene. I think that the above transpires across - much more money than sense. You’ve got wonder when the bubble will burst. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on June 13, 2023, 01:10:28 PM
			

			

				I do wonder when these phenomenally wealthy blokes get together and decide they want buy up golf or in this case a bunch of aging footballers, what’s the ultimate long term goal. They never get their money back. The ROI has to be terrible, which they clearly don’t give a shit about. Unless their public want to watch average football with a few past it stars then that’s fine I suppose. But the rest of the world likely won’t notice it’s there. Like wouldn’t £50m vs £100m have got Kante? Or even £25m? A player who has barely seen action in a couple of seasons. Why such an amount far, far in excess of what any other club would have paid.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on June 13, 2023, 01:13:52 PM
			

			

				Back to speculation - Odysseas Vlachodimos, Greek keeper for Benfica linked. Hopefully GK links are the start of the end for Olsen
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: cdward on June 13, 2023, 01:17:48 PM
			

			

				https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/messi-saudi-arabia-liv-pga-golf-sportswashing-b2353242.html
Interesting article on what the Saudis are doing.
In summary, it is all building towards hosting the World Cup in 2030
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on June 13, 2023, 01:19:19 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 13, 2023, 01:13:52 PM
Back to speculation - Odysseas Vlachodimos, Greek keeper for Benfica linked. Hopefully GK links are the start of the end for Olsen

No idea if he's any good, but what a name.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Goldenballs on June 13, 2023, 01:19:31 PM
			

			

				They'll soon create some off season competition, a mini super league. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: aev on June 13, 2023, 01:20:12 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on June 13, 2023, 01:19:19 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 13, 2023, 01:13:52 PM
Back to speculation - Odysseas Vlachodimos, Greek keeper for Benfica linked. Hopefully GK links are the start of the end for Olsen

No idea if he's any good, but what a name.

Any idea about his salary?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Chris Smith on June 13, 2023, 01:22:45 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: aev on June 13, 2023, 01:20:12 PM
Quote from: LeeB on June 13, 2023, 01:19:19 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 13, 2023, 01:13:52 PM
Back to speculation - Odysseas Vlachodimos, Greek keeper for Benfica linked. Hopefully GK links are the start of the end for Olsen

No idea if he's any good, but what a name.

Any idea about his salary?

What’s a Greek urn?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smithy on June 13, 2023, 01:23:21 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on June 13, 2023, 12:57:55 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on June 13, 2023, 12:53:12 PM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on June 13, 2023, 12:42:17 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on June 13, 2023, 12:26:19 PM
Kante to Saudi is done.  £100m a year.  He'll have earnt about £18m before the season even starts.  Probably tax free I'd guess?

Deal worth £100m wages, but doesn't say how many years? Can't be £100m for 1 year surely?
Fabrizio saying:

◉ Medical tests completed in London.

◉ 2 year deal with an option for further season.

◉ €100m per season salary — figure includes image rights, commercial deals and ‘creative’ portfolio.

He is (or certainly was) a superb player but fucking hell. Hope the bubble bursts as quick as it's started.

It does feel like they're wasting an awful lot of money, but honestly, for them it's peanuts.  Isn't the Saudi royal family worth something like a couple of trillion?  They could buy an entire team on £100m a year and it barely makes a dent in their wealth.

The bigger question is whether it buys what they ACTUALLY want, which is respectability, and a seat at the top table in world football.  I don't think it's even close to giving them that.  

Given the relative wealth in football today both here and across Europe, where players will never need to work again in their lives if they can play for four or five years in the middle of the Premier League, I don't see how anyone at the top of the game would sacrifice the chance to win trophies in European leagues, for money in Saudi - unless they're already winding down, ala Ronaldo and Kante.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on June 13, 2023, 01:25:00 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on June 13, 2023, 11:22:57 AM
Quote from: OCD on June 12, 2023, 07:16:58 PM
Surprised that Orkun Kokcu has gone to Benfica. Thought us or one of the top end Premier League sides would be signing him. 

They moved quickly and smartly. They only paid €25m which is roughly £21.5m, not a bad bit of business, the barstewards.

Florentino Luis's replacement? Another one we've been linked with. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 13, 2023, 01:25:04 PM
			

			

				I bet there aren’t massive queues for a pint at half time at Al Halibut or whatever they’re called. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on June 13, 2023, 01:25:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on June 13, 2023, 01:19:19 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 13, 2023, 01:13:52 PM
Back to speculation - Odysseas Vlachodimos, Greek keeper for Benfica linked. Hopefully GK links are the start of the end for Olsen

No idea if he's any good, but what a name.

Olsen's been our Achilles heel for a while now. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 13, 2023, 01:28:17 PM
			

			

				Is it not true that they have less than 20 years worth of oil left? What happens after that? They're obviously not stupid so I wonder what the plans are.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on June 13, 2023, 01:28:37 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 13, 2023, 01:25:04 PM
I bet there aren’t massive queues for a pint at half time at Al Halibut or whatever they’re called. 

I think that's a safe call
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on June 13, 2023, 01:34:47 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 13, 2023, 01:25:04 PM
I bet there aren’t massive queues for a pint at half time at Al Halibut or whatever they’re called.
"Jesus it's hot, I'd give my right hand for a pint of la..... oh"
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on June 13, 2023, 01:36:47 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on June 13, 2023, 01:28:17 PM
Is it not true that they have less than 20 years worth of oil left? What happens after that? They're obviously not stupid so I wonder what the plans are.

Having that much cash means they don't need another plan! 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 13, 2023, 01:47:49 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on June 13, 2023, 01:36:47 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on June 13, 2023, 01:28:17 PM
Is it not true that they have less than 20 years worth of oil left? What happens after that? They're obviously not stupid so I wonder what the plans are.

Having that much cash means they don't need another plan!

Yeah but rich people love nothing more than making more money. I'm surprised with all the money that they have that they haven't invested loads in to getting to space, reseaching mining asteroids or some shit. I have no idea what I'm talking about which is why I'm curious as to what is next? Harvesting journalists?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on June 13, 2023, 01:51:30 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Chris_Jephcott on June 13, 2023, 01:05:29 PM
If I can relate it to my career path:

There are airlines in that part of the world offering £22000 a month tax free to Aircraft Captains excluding education and living allowances, car allowance, duty pay etc… 

We simply cannot keep up with the wages being offered out there in Europe. It’s obscene. I think that the above transpires across - much more money than sense. You’ve got wonder when the bubble will burst. 

What's it like living in Saudi, though? I mean, I just about get why some people like Dubai. It's utterly soulless but clean and safe with great restaurants and shopping etc. Isn't Saudi on the other hand still really sketchy for Westerners?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 13, 2023, 02:13:08 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on June 13, 2023, 01:01:56 PM
Quote from: johnc on June 13, 2023, 08:01:44 AM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on June 12, 2023, 08:17:05 PM
I would imagine Monshi but isn't he Basque so I'll wait a few weeks or months..
He isn't Basque. He is from the South of the South of Spain. I would go for Monchy

He's from Cadiz so just growl his name as though it's coming out of a transistor radio.

Hahaha. Cadiz is one of my favourite cities, but the wife's ego took a battering there. Her usually-excellent Spanish was no match for the local why-use-syllables-when-grunting-is-available dialect. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on June 13, 2023, 02:13:49 PM
			

			

				Apparently we are signing 16 year old midfielder Jamaldeen Jimoh from West Brom for a £1m fee with a 10% sell on clause.

We have beaten Tottenham for his signature apparently. 

Manchester City & Chelsea were sniffing around him too apparently. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 13, 2023, 02:15:13 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 13, 2023, 01:13:52 PM
Back to speculation - Odysseas Vlachodimos, Greek keeper for Benfica linked. Hopefully GK links are the start of the end for Olsen

I like Vlachodimos, but unless we're buying Pliers as well, I think this is a link sent out to tease me.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dr Butler on June 13, 2023, 02:17:35 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on June 13, 2023, 02:13:08 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on June 13, 2023, 01:01:56 PM
Quote from: johnc on June 13, 2023, 08:01:44 AM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on June 12, 2023, 08:17:05 PM
I would imagine Monshi but isn't he Basque so I'll wait a few weeks or months..
He isn't Basque. He is from the South of the South of Spain. I would go for Monchy

He's from Cadiz so just growl his name as though it's coming out of a transistor radio.

Hahaha. Cadiz is one of my favourite cities, but the wife's ego took a battering there. Her usually-excellent Spanish was no match for the local why-use-syllables-when-grunting-is-available dialect. 

I love Cadiz...a really lovely place...the ball and chain and I have actually thought about moving there :)

UTV
The Doc
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 13, 2023, 03:16:27 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on June 13, 2023, 01:51:30 PM
Quote from: Chris_Jephcott on June 13, 2023, 01:05:29 PM
If I can relate it to my career path:

There are airlines in that part of the world offering £22000 a month tax free to Aircraft Captains excluding education and living allowances, car allowance, duty pay etc… 

We simply cannot keep up with the wages being offered out there in Europe. It’s obscene. I think that the above transpires across - much more money than sense. You’ve got wonder when the bubble will burst. 

What's it like living in Saudi, though? I mean, I just about get why some people like Dubai. It's utterly soulless but clean and safe with great restaurants and shopping etc. Isn't Saudi on the other hand still really sketchy for Westerners?

Technically - No alcohol (penalty is removal of hands), no sex outside of marriage (you can be jailed in Dubai for this too), no homosexuality (death penalty).

It's worse for women. For instance rape = adultery and is punishable by stoning. On the plus side, women can now drive, but they can not have a relative in the car with them that is not a close relative.

If you have a car crash with a Saudi national its your fault, get out the country quickly. If you have a crash and you hit a non European its their fault.

In reality you can live fairly normally, but the law is applied if they feel like it. Similar to Dubai but more likely to be applied.

Even when I had to work in Yemen, I still managed to get beer from the Dutch Embassy in Sanna. You just had to bury your cans carefully. There were many things there more likely to kill you than the death penalty, life is cheap there. I am pretty sure that the likes of Ronaldo have almost no restrictions, they wont be living like my Grandfather did when he was plastering there in the 80s.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 13, 2023, 03:36:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pablo_picasso on June 13, 2023, 02:13:49 PM
Apparently we are signing 16 year old midfielder Jamaldeen Jimoh from West Brom for a £1m fee with a 10% sell on clause.

We have beaten Tottenham for his signature apparently. 

Manchester City & Chelsea were sniffing around him too apparently.

Lol:

https://twitter.com/thecoldgun/status/1668583119039987712?s=46&t=oWmAAXfGub9FmoQSqsnPtw
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dr Butler on June 13, 2023, 03:41:37 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 13, 2023, 03:36:18 PM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on June 13, 2023, 02:13:49 PM
Apparently we are signing 16 year old midfielder Jamaldeen Jimoh from West Brom for a £1m fee with a 10% sell on clause.

We have beaten Tottenham for his signature apparently. 

Manchester City & Chelsea were sniffing around him too apparently.

Lol:

https://twitter.com/thecoldgun/status/1668583119039987712?s=46&t=oWmAAXfGub9FmoQSqsnPtw

Lol indeed...

UTV
The Doc
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 13, 2023, 03:49:08 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on June 13, 2023, 01:51:30 PM
Quote from: Chris_Jephcott on June 13, 2023, 01:05:29 PM
If I can relate it to my career path:

There are airlines in that part of the world offering £22000 a month tax free to Aircraft Captains excluding education and living allowances, car allowance, duty pay etc… 

We simply cannot keep up with the wages being offered out there in Europe. It’s obscene. I think that the above transpires across - much more money than sense. You’ve got wonder when the bubble will burst. 

I mean, I just about get why some people like Dubai. It's utterly soulless but clean and safe with great restaurants and shopping etc. 

Never been but always imagined it to be way too hot and almost as boring. I reckon you can drive to or drive and ferry crossing to far more interesting places.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on June 13, 2023, 03:56:43 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on June 13, 2023, 03:16:27 PM
Quote from: Risso on June 13, 2023, 01:51:30 PM
Quote from: Chris_Jephcott on June 13, 2023, 01:05:29 PM
If I can relate it to my career path:

There are airlines in that part of the world offering £22000 a month tax free to Aircraft Captains excluding education and living allowances, car allowance, duty pay etc… 

We simply cannot keep up with the wages being offered out there in Europe. It’s obscene. I think that the above transpires across - much more money than sense. You’ve got wonder when the bubble will burst. 

What's it like living in Saudi, though? I mean, I just about get why some people like Dubai. It's utterly soulless but clean and safe with great restaurants and shopping etc. Isn't Saudi on the other hand still really sketchy for Westerners?

Technically - No alcohol (penalty is removal of hands), no sex outside of marriage (you can be jailed in Dubai for this too), no homosexuality (death penalty).

It's worse for women. For instance rape = adultery and is punishable by stoning. On the plus side, women can now drive, but they can not have a relative in the car with them that is not a close relative.

If you have a car crash with a Saudi national its your fault, get out the country quickly. If you have a crash and you hit a non European its their fault.

In reality you can live fairly normally, but the law is applied if they feel like it. Similar to Dubai but more likely to be applied.

Even when I had to work in Yemen, I still managed to get beer from the Dutch Embassy in Sanna. You just had to bury your cans carefully. There were many things there more likely to kill you than the death penalty, life is cheap there. I am pretty sure that the likes of Ronaldo have almost no restrictions, they wont be living like my Grandfather did when he was plastering there in the 80s.

As a single non drinker it sounds good but I'd be terrified of breaking some law and being one of those cases you see on telly of Brits being sentenced to death for farting or something really trivial.

I wouldn't even visit let alone live there. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 13, 2023, 04:27:31 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on June 13, 2023, 03:56:43 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on June 13, 2023, 03:16:27 PM
Quote from: Risso on June 13, 2023, 01:51:30 PM
Quote from: Chris_Jephcott on June 13, 2023, 01:05:29 PM
If I can relate it to my career path:

There are airlines in that part of the world offering £22000 a month tax free to Aircraft Captains excluding education and living allowances, car allowance, duty pay etc… 

We simply cannot keep up with the wages being offered out there in Europe. It’s obscene. I think that the above transpires across - much more money than sense. You’ve got wonder when the bubble will burst. 

What's it like living in Saudi, though? I mean, I just about get why some people like Dubai. It's utterly soulless but clean and safe with great restaurants and shopping etc. Isn't Saudi on the other hand still really sketchy for Westerners?

Technically - No alcohol (penalty is removal of hands), no sex outside of marriage (you can be jailed in Dubai for this too), no homosexuality (death penalty).

It's worse for women. For instance rape = adultery and is punishable by stoning. On the plus side, women can now drive, but they can not have a relative in the car with them that is not a close relative.

If you have a car crash with a Saudi national its your fault, get out the country quickly. If you have a crash and you hit a non European its their fault.

In reality you can live fairly normally, but the law is applied if they feel like it. Similar to Dubai but more likely to be applied.

Even when I had to work in Yemen, I still managed to get beer from the Dutch Embassy in Sanna. You just had to bury your cans carefully. There were many things there more likely to kill you than the death penalty, life is cheap there. I am pretty sure that the likes of Ronaldo have almost no restrictions, they wont be living like my Grandfather did when he was plastering there in the 80s.

As a single non drinker it sounds good but I'd be terrified of breaking some law and being one of those cases you see on telly of Brits being sentenced to death for farting or something really trivial.

I wouldn't even visit let alone live there. 

You are not missing much. Desert and concrete. It's not my cup of tea either, but I go where I can help farmers and that sometimes means some fairly ropey places. 

I flew to Saudi a couple of times with co-codamol in my bag, not realising that codeine is a class A drug there. Taking a bible into the country is also a serious offence with severe penalties if they choose to prosecute. Both are unlikely. Basically if they take issue with you they will find a reason to bang you up.

Messi has the right idea heading to Miami.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Chris_Jephcott on June 13, 2023, 04:47:41 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on June 13, 2023, 01:51:30 PM
Quote from: Chris_Jephcott on June 13, 2023, 01:05:29 PM
If I can relate it to my career path:

There are airlines in that part of the world offering £22000 a month tax free to Aircraft Captains excluding education and living allowances, car allowance, duty pay etc… 

We simply cannot keep up with the wages being offered out there in Europe. It’s obscene. I think that the above transpires across - much more money than sense. You’ve got wonder when the bubble will burst. 

What's it like living in Saudi, though? I mean, I just about get why some people like Dubai. It's utterly soulless but clean and safe with great restaurants and shopping etc. Isn't Saudi on the other hand still really sketchy for Westerners?


Therein lies the issue. One of my neighbours flies for a different airline and in a previous life, had to go Riyadh regularly. 

As they were “esteemed guests”, him and his crew often got the front line seats at the weekly executions. It’s amazing how many of the crew developed stomach ailments as soon as they landed. 

I couldn’t live there myself, I am partial to a glass of wine in the evening and enjoy an unrestricted lifestyle. In Bahrain at the weekends though, all the Saudi nationals come across and drink very heavily and *gasp* live a second life - for example, many homosexual relationships flourish in the relatively relaxed Bahrain. And yet during the week, it’s different.

As a Westerner, we would be 3rd class citizens. Our wives and partners would be 5th class citizens. 

By all accounts, when it’s going well, it’s ok. When fortune dictates a different set of circumstances, it starts looking much less favourable. 

For me - there’s much more to life than money. I love my family, my wife, my kids too much to drag them through that. And I also want my kids to grow up to be who they want to be, not repressed or living in fear of a system that could turn very nasty, very quickly. 

I’ll finish with a cautionary tale - one of my colleagues was released by a big Middle Eastern carrier at the start of Covid. He was given 3 days to pack, move his entire family out and relocate to the U.K., or else they would all be put in prison. 3 days to pull the kids out of school, 3 days for his wife to quit her job, 3 days to pack up an entire life that had been built, 3 days to clear his debts.

Crazy isn’t it? It’s not for me. 

Anyway… have we signed anyone today?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Londonvilla on June 13, 2023, 05:36:55 PM
			

			

				Aston Villa and Wolves join the race for Borussia Monchengladbach’s £35m-rated Manu Kone, with Liverpool also keeping tabs on the midfielder

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-12190561/Aston-Villa-Wolves-join-race-Borussia-Monchengladbachs-35m-rated-Manu-Kone.html


Nice link, but everyone knows he is going to Liverpool
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Londonvilla on June 13, 2023, 05:43:52 PM
			

			

				REPORT: ASTON VILLA NOW SERIOUSLY WANT TO SIGN £350,000-A-WEEK MANCHESTER UNITED PLAYER


https://www.footballtransfers.com/en/transfer-news/uk-premier-league/2023/06/exclusive-man-utd-transfer-news-jadon-sancho-listed-for-sale-aston-villa-interest

https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2023/06/13/report-aston-villa-now-seriously-want-to-sign-350000-a-week-manchester-united-player/


I would take him on loan if United pay £250 000 of his wage
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on June 13, 2023, 06:12:19 PM
			

			

				I mean it's obviously nonsense but I don't think I'd even take him on loan at £100k a week.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on June 13, 2023, 06:27:19 PM
			

			

				I think there is a real player in Sancho but he made a huge cock up swapping Dortmund for United when he did….had they a proper striker with Sancho and Rashford as a 3 he’d have thrived I suspect.  Don’t think he will head our way though, wouldn’t be at all surprised if he ends up as a makeweight in a Kane deal later in summer
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: N'ZMAV on June 13, 2023, 06:31:08 PM
			

			

				if they pay him 350k a week then they're even more moronic than I already though. That is a new low.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 13, 2023, 06:32:15 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 13, 2023, 01:13:52 PM
Back to speculation - Odysseas Vlachodimos, Greek keeper for Benfica linked. Hopefully GK links are the start of the end for Olsen

We could always go for the keeper Benfica are looking to replace him with, Bento at Athletico Paranense in Brazil. €10m is the asking price.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on June 13, 2023, 07:15:19 PM
			

			

				I've been saying we should go for Sancho for about six months now.

He shouldn't have left Dortmund but I suspect Dortmund wanted him gone as that's how they operate. They would have wanted the money and to reinvest.

There's a top player there imo. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Grocer on June 13, 2023, 07:18:58 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on June 13, 2023, 02:15:13 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 13, 2023, 01:13:52 PM
Back to speculation - Odysseas Vlachodimos, Greek keeper for Benfica linked. Hopefully GK links are the start of the end for Olsen

I like Vlachodimos, but unless we're buying Pliers as well, I think this is a link sent out to tease me.

Very good 👏
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Exeter 77 on June 13, 2023, 07:51:50 PM
			

			

				On the Saudi thing. I have a friend I met at uni who lived in Saudi Arabia when she was an early teenager due to her dad's job. She told me all her family including her then 11 year old brother were 'required' to attend a public execution once every six months or a year (I can't recall which). She was relieved they were only there for around a year so she only had to do it once. I don't whether this was a local thing or whether it's still a requirement for Westerners.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on June 13, 2023, 07:58:00 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Exeter 77 on June 13, 2023, 07:51:50 PM
On the Saudi thing. I have a friend I met at uni who lived in Saudi Arabia when she was an early teenager due to her dad's job. She told me all her family including her then 11 year old brother were 'required' to attend a public execution once every six months or a year (I can't recall which). She was relieved they were only there for around a year so she only had to do it once. I don't whether this was a local thing or whether it's still a requirement for Westerners.

We can look forward to 20/25minute half time breaks when the Saudis own the league to get a live execution in….utter scumbags
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on June 13, 2023, 08:46:31 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on June 13, 2023, 12:45:35 PM
Quote from: Risso on June 13, 2023, 12:44:25 PM
I don't get it. I know they've got more money than they know what to do with, but what's to be gained by paying somebody like Kante £2m a week? He's coming towards the end of his career and would probably be delighted with a tenth of that. There's no way that Saudi Arabia are ever going to have a "proper" big boys league, and nobody's going to be paying big money to watch it. I don't really understand what they're trying to do.

Not sure regarding the Saudi league, but the golf is the example of what they're going for with football in general

Pity the sports media don't turn their attention on the likes of Ronaldo, Kante etc like they did with Poulter, Westwood and co when they sold out. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on June 13, 2023, 09:03:42 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pablo_picasso on June 13, 2023, 02:13:49 PM
Apparently we are signing 16 year old midfielder Jamaldeen Jimoh from West Brom for a £1m fee with a 10% sell on clause.

We have beaten Tottenham for his signature apparently. 

Manchester City & Chelsea were sniffing around him too apparently. 

"The list of players who have trodden the path from the Albion academy to the Villa academy in the last few years continues to grow; Jimoh follows the likes of Timothy Iroegbunam, who spent last year on loan at Queens Park Rangers, Finn Azaz, Finley Thorndike - who is now with Birmingham City - Triston Rowe and Luka Lynch in completing that switch."

So no sour grapes then. 

The article seems to have changed from what I read earlier. It did say that it's all well and good selling youth players for fair compensation but eventually you want to see them coming through into the first team. It's a fair point but it was clearly written from an Albion perspective when, saying it's concerning 2 local clubs, it could have had less bias. 

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-beat-tottenham-complete-27112130
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: KevinGage on June 13, 2023, 10:21:05 PM
			

			

				
Quote
"The list of players who have trodden the path from the Albion academy to the Villa academy in the last few years continues to grow; Jimoh follows the likes of Timothy Iroegbunam, who spent last year on loan at Queens Park Rangers, Finn Azaz, Finley Thorndike - who is now with Birmingham City - Triston Rowe and Luka Lynch in completing that switch."

Some great names there for the future Lee Child opus. 

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on June 13, 2023, 10:39:05 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Londonvilla on June 13, 2023, 05:43:52 PM
REPORT: ASTON VILLA NOW SERIOUSLY WANT TO SIGN £350,000-A-WEEK MANCHESTER UNITED PLAYER


https://www.footballtransfers.com/en/transfer-news/uk-premier-league/2023/06/exclusive-man-utd-transfer-news-jadon-sancho-listed-for-sale-aston-villa-interest

https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2023/06/13/report-aston-villa-now-seriously-want-to-sign-350000-a-week-manchester-united-player/


I would take him on loan if United pay £250 000 of his wage

Man United are desperate to send their castoffs to us. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 13, 2023, 10:55:07 PM
			

			

				re Saudi, I never understood how it was that 15 of the 19 9/11 perpetrators were Saudi, yet American revenge for the attack seemed to involve nothing of note in the direction of Saudi Arabia.

I struggle to think of a more vile, reprehensible hell hole.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on June 13, 2023, 11:12:47 PM
			

			

				Haven't you been to Elland Road? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Londonvilla on June 13, 2023, 11:18:36 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 13, 2023, 10:55:07 PM
re Saudi, I never understood how it was that 15 of the 19 9/11 perpetrators were Saudi, yet American revenge for the attack seemed to involve nothing of note in the direction of Saudi Arabia.

I struggle to think of a more vile, reprehensible hell hole.

You are asserting a country with a population of 36 million based on the actions of 15 people.....some would say the hell hole is between your ears, but I would like to think you just had a bad day.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on June 13, 2023, 11:28:56 PM
			

			

				Christ I hope we sign someone so I don't have to scroll through more of this 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Pete3206 on June 13, 2023, 11:34:16 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on June 13, 2023, 07:15:19 PM
I've been saying we should go for Sancho for about six months now.

He shouldn't have left Dortmund but I suspect Dortmund wanted him gone as that's how they operate. They would have wanted the money and to reinvest.

There's a top player there imo. 

Yeah, no.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on June 13, 2023, 11:36:52 PM
			

			

				He hides it well. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: trinityoap on June 13, 2023, 11:40:31 PM
			

			

				He must be good. Southgate picks him.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on June 13, 2023, 11:52:30 PM
			

			

				Sancho? Christ no. We’ve got one disappointing winger in Bailey, let’s not get another.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 13, 2023, 11:54:12 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: coreyfeldman on June 13, 2023, 11:28:56 PM
Christ I hope we sign someone so I don't have to scroll through more of this 

Yeah, with the Harry Maguire, Jaden Sancho and JWP links it's been grim reading on here at times.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 14, 2023, 12:21:55 AM
			

			

				On that note i am off to bed , good night all 😃
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 14, 2023, 12:28:37 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Londonvilla on June 13, 2023, 11:18:36 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 13, 2023, 10:55:07 PM
re Saudi, I never understood how it was that 15 of the 19 9/11 perpetrators were Saudi, yet American revenge for the attack seemed to involve nothing of note in the direction of Saudi Arabia.

I struggle to think of a more vile, reprehensible hell hole.

You are asserting a country with a population of 36 million based on the actions of 15 people.....some would say the hell hole is between your ears, but I would like to think you just had a bad day.

In terms of human rights, it is a hell hole and that's nothing to do with just 15 people. I imagine many migrant workers would describe it as such.

On transfers, I have been really impatient with transfers this last few days, I've checked here more than I usually would. I don't know why considering we have just signed Tielemans. I just want one that's going to make me go 'shit, that's it, that's the one, here we come baby!'
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 14, 2023, 02:49:38 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on June 14, 2023, 12:28:37 AM
Quote from: Londonvilla on June 13, 2023, 11:18:36 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 13, 2023, 10:55:07 PM
re Saudi, I never understood how it was that 15 of the 19 9/11 perpetrators were Saudi, yet American revenge for the attack seemed to involve nothing of note in the direction of Saudi Arabia.

I struggle to think of a more vile, reprehensible hell hole.

You are asserting a country with a population of 36 million based on the actions of 15 people.....some would say the hell hole is between your ears, but I would like to think you just had a bad day.

In terms of human rights, it is a hell hole and that's nothing to do with just 15 people. I imagine many migrant workers would describe it as such.

On transfers, I have been really impatient with transfers this last few days, I've checked here more than I usually would. I don't know why considering we have just signed Tielemans. I just want one that's going to make me go 'shit, that's it, that's the one, here we come baby!'

Jackson and Chuk II from Villareal are the ones for me. No links yet though :(
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on June 14, 2023, 03:16:20 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on June 13, 2023, 11:52:30 PM
Sancho? Christ no. We’ve got one disappointing winger in Bailey, let’s not get another.

Sancho is miles more talented than Bailey to be fair. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on June 14, 2023, 04:55:54 AM
			

			

				That will be the end of Sancho’s England career if he comes to lowly Villa. He’s a decent player. Not worth anything like what those idiots paid for him. At half the price he’s worth it as he’s still young and coachable. But I imagine he’s also on stupid wages too. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeonW on June 14, 2023, 06:40:35 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on June 14, 2023, 03:16:20 AM
Quote from: Risso on June 13, 2023, 11:52:30 PM
Sancho? Christ no. We’ve got one disappointing winger in Bailey, let’s not get another.

Sancho is miles more talented than Bailey to be fair.

That may be but neither of them have pulled up any trees in 2 seasons a piece in the Premier League. It makes no difference how talented they may be.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RamboandBruno on June 14, 2023, 06:50:34 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on June 14, 2023, 03:16:20 AM
Quote from: Risso on June 13, 2023, 11:52:30 PM
Sancho? Christ no. We’ve got one disappointing winger in Bailey, let’s not get another.

Sancho is miles more talented than Bailey to be fair.

Im
Not sure there is that much evidence to support this. As average as Bailey was last season, if you look at Villas goal reel for season just gone, Bailey had a role in a decent percentage at Villa Park at least. I don’t watch Man United if I can help it, but Sancho didn’t appear to do a lot again last season. If you are talking about what they did in Germany, its long gone for both. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RichardBatchelor on June 14, 2023, 07:10:37 AM
			

			

				For all his inconsistency, we had a better shape to us last season under Emery when he was playing than when he wasn’t.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on June 14, 2023, 07:16:20 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: RamboandBruno on June 14, 2023, 06:50:34 AM
Quote from: Smirker on June 14, 2023, 03:16:20 AM
Quote from: Risso on June 13, 2023, 11:52:30 PM
Sancho? Christ no. We’ve got one disappointing winger in Bailey, let’s not get another.

Sancho is miles more talented than Bailey to be fair.

Im
Not sure there is that much evidence to support this. As average as Bailey was last season, if you look at Villas goal reel for season just gone, Bailey had a role in a decent percentage at Villa Park at least. I don’t watch Man United if I can help it, but Sancho didn’t appear to do a lot again last season. If you are talking about what they did in Germany, its long gone for both.

I noticed this too. I was surprised how much he was involved.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on June 14, 2023, 07:22:06 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on June 14, 2023, 03:16:20 AM
Quote from: Risso on June 13, 2023, 11:52:30 PM
Sancho? Christ no. We’ve got one disappointing winger in Bailey, let’s not get another.

Sancho is miles more talented than Bailey to be fair.

The thing is, I think Barnes would be the better option. He’s got a better goal contribution per game ratio despite being in a poorer performing team, has consistently been in the goals for several seasons, and would be a cheaper deal to put together, especially considering the wages Sancho is on.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeonW on June 14, 2023, 08:02:04 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on June 14, 2023, 07:22:06 AM
Quote from: Smirker on June 14, 2023, 03:16:20 AM
Quote from: Risso on June 13, 2023, 11:52:30 PM
Sancho? Christ no. We’ve got one disappointing winger in Bailey, let’s not get another.

Sancho is miles more talented than Bailey to be fair.

The thing is, I think Barnes would be the better option. He’s got a better goal contribution per game ratio despite being in a poorer performing team, has consistently been in the goals for several seasons, and would be a cheaper deal to put together, especially considering the wages Sancho is on.

I agree. I think the biggest thing that Barnes has over both Bailey and Sancho is that really occupies the opposition defender he’s up against. You know you’re in for a tough afternoon facing him. Sancho and Bailey are both players that might produce something now and again but won’t necessarily cause concern. We need more players that our opponents just don’t fancy playing against.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: maidstonevillain on June 14, 2023, 08:20:15 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Exeter 77 on June 13, 2023, 07:51:50 PM
On the Saudi thing. I have a friend I met at uni who lived in Saudi Arabia when she was an early teenager due to her dad's job. She told me all her family including her then 11 year old brother were 'required' to attend a public execution once every six months or a year (I can't recall which). She was relieved they were only there for around a year so she only had to do it once. I don't whether this was a local thing or whether it's still a requirement for Westerners.
My Saudi experiences are 30 years old. Must have been a local/employer custom. My recollection is Westerners at executions was in some quarters frowned upon. I learned to avoid popping to the City square for a breakfast on a Friday morning.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smithy on June 14, 2023, 08:59:46 AM
			

			

				I think there is potentially a really good player in Jadon Sancho.  He has only shown glimpses of it at Man Utd, but clearly he's not fancied by the current regime, who obviously didn't buy him.

If anyone could get a tune out of him, it's Emery, and I do think he has a much higher ceiling tha Bailey (even if their outputs in the premier league so far are comparible).  It's not like there isn't a precedent for Utd buying a young tricky forward and it not working out there before he goes on to be a proper force in the league (Zaha anyone?).  If Emery wants him, and the price is right, I'd be happy to see him here.  He'd be the best dribbler we've had since Jack left.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on June 14, 2023, 09:01:55 AM
			

			

				Sancho lacks that extra yard of pace.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on June 14, 2023, 09:02:30 AM
			

			

				I've never seen anything in him that's made him stand out
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: lovejoy on June 14, 2023, 09:26:35 AM
			

			

				I was the Dortmund Sancho not the Man U one. As ever what about his wages? If they are massive he'd be taking bandwidth which would be better spent on others. He's had time off last season and I hope we don't go for the name without doing full due diligence on him. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on June 14, 2023, 09:41:32 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on June 14, 2023, 09:02:30 AM
I've never seen anything in him that's made him stand out

They massively overpaid for him, he's nothing special at all. Like Bailey, capable of a half decent dribble once every 5 or 6 games. Absolutely no thank you, he's done bugger all in two seasons and we need much better than over-hyped wingers. If even Emery can't get a consistent tune out of Bailey, then why would we bother with Sancho? We need more consistent goals from whoever is going to play with Watkins.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: UK Redsox on June 14, 2023, 09:51:24 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on June 13, 2023, 04:27:31 PM

Messi has the right idea heading to Miami.

The Florida Governor seems to want the emulate Saudi in terms of rights
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villabear on June 14, 2023, 09:55:03 AM
			

			

				Sancho? No thanks. Could be worse we could be linked to that Anthony they’ve got up there.

In all seriousness being linked to all these either pie in the sky or potential signings is great. It’s not that long ago we were worried about going under as a club. Let’s enjoy it!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 14, 2023, 10:59:57 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: UK Redsox on June 14, 2023, 09:51:24 AM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on June 13, 2023, 04:27:31 PM

Messi has the right idea heading to Miami.


The Florida Governor seems to want the emulate Saudi in terms of rights

I see some nonsense on here, but comparing DeSantis with the house of Saud is worthy of some sort of prize for ridiculousness. Florida is one the most liberal places on the planet.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulTheVillan on June 14, 2023, 11:08:46 AM
			

			

				I imagine Sancho is on ridiculous money
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 14, 2023, 11:14:00 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulTheVillan on June 14, 2023, 11:08:46 AM
I imagine Sancho is on ridiculous money

Seen £250k a week mooted in the press, non-starter if true. Looks like the Nico Williams rumours are hotting up, would be a lower fee and wage and hasn't already been shown to be rubbish in the Prem.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on June 14, 2023, 11:24:28 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on June 14, 2023, 10:59:57 AM
Quote from: UK Redsox on June 14, 2023, 09:51:24 AM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on June 13, 2023, 04:27:31 PM

Messi has the right idea heading to Miami.


The Florida Governor seems to want the emulate Saudi in terms of rights

I see some nonsense on here, but comparing DeSantis with the house of Saud is worthy of some sort of prize for ridiculousness. Florida is one the most liberal places on the planet.

ha ha!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on June 14, 2023, 11:39:03 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: lovejoy on June 14, 2023, 09:26:35 AM
I was the Dortmund Sancho not the Man U one. As ever what about his wages? If they are massive he'd be taking bandwidth which would be better spent on others. He's had time off last season and I hope we don't go for the name without doing full due diligence on him. 

With Emery as manager?! 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on June 14, 2023, 11:40:41 AM
			

			

				The 'benefit' of Sancho would be that he's English and we do need to keep an eye on how many English/home-grown players we have in the squad.

We had 8 in the list in January and  have lost Steer and Young leaving us with:
Martinez
Cash
Chambers
Konsa
Mings
Watkins

We'll add JJ Ramsey to that and maybe Archer (they both need to be registered next season I believe) but With Chambers possibly one to sell we'll need to add at least another player there.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on June 14, 2023, 11:54:01 AM
			

			

				It's 7 out of the squad of 25 isn't it? Both Ramsey and Archer would need to be added for the first time last year, as it'll be players born after 1 Jan 2002 who are still effectively youth players, and they were both born before that. With Emi, Cash, Konsa, Mings and Watkins, there's your 7. If we do want to add other English players, then I can think of quite a few I'd like to see before Sancho. Depending on what happens to Sinisalo, he'd have to be added and would count as home grown too
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on June 14, 2023, 12:00:06 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on June 14, 2023, 11:54:01 AM
It's 7 out of the squad of 25 isn't it? Both Ramsey and Archer would need to be added for the first time last year, as it'll be players born after 1 Jan 2002 who are still effectively youth players, and they were both born before that. With Emi, Cash, Konsa, Mings and Watkins, there's your 7. If we do want to add other English players, then I can think of quite a few I'd like to see before Sancho. Depending on what happens to Sinisalo, he'd have to be added and would count as home grown too

8 I think, but I might be wrong. Sinisalo coming in would sense though.

I agree there are others I'd prefer ahead of him, I just only thought about it today and he was who we were talking about.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on June 14, 2023, 12:02:57 PM
			

			

				An Italian journalist claims we had already agreed a deal with Roma for Tammy Abraham before his ACL injury in the last game. I know he's very much a marmite player on here but  €30m in today's market for an English player would have been good value. 

“Roma had already sold Abraham to Aston Villa for €30m,” claimed Di Giovambattista.

“The deal was already closed, then everything fell through because of injury. According to our information, the Englishman will return in November 2023.”
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ian c. on June 14, 2023, 12:12:26 PM
			

			

				I think the Premier League and UEFA rules are different. 

Premier League seems to be a maximum 17 non-home grown players are allowed in a squad of up to 25. If you only have 6 home grown you could have a maximum squad size of 23. 

UEFA requires you to have 8 home grown players in a 25 man squad, 4 of these would have to come through the club's own youth system.

I might be wrong though.

Edit: for UEFA if you can't name 8 qualifying players you would have to reduce squad size accordingly.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on June 14, 2023, 12:19:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ian c. on June 14, 2023, 12:12:26 PM
I think the Premier League and UEFA rules are different. 

Premier League seems to be a maximum 17 non-home grown players are allowed in a squad of up to 25. If you only have 6 home grown you could have a maximum squad size of 23. 

UEFA requires you to have 8 home grown players in a 25 man squad, 4 of these would have to come through the club's own youth system.

I might be wrong though.

We could include Ramsey jnr and Iroegbunam for UEFA I guess.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Yeltzer on June 14, 2023, 12:20:29 PM
			

			

				I see a bit of talk in The Guardian that if Steeeeeeeevie G gets the managers at job at Al-Whothefuck then he’s gonna offer Coutinho a two year deal to join him. Would be an easy way to get him off our payroll?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on June 14, 2023, 12:22:24 PM
			

			

				Depending on Chambers, I would say we'll almost certainly have Archer in the squad. Otherwise we're going to have to buy more English players, and to get somebody of Archer's promise/ability we'd be looking at biggish money. I just can't see us buying that many English players and paying the premium that comes with it.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on June 14, 2023, 12:24:21 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Yeltzer on June 14, 2023, 12:20:29 PM
I see a bit of talk in The Guardian that if Steeeeeeeevie G gets the managers at job at Al-Whothefuck then he’s gonna offer Coutinho a two year deal to join him. Would be an easy way to get him off our payroll?

Would be happy with that…not desperate for him to leave but would prefer a younger, fitter player to provide competition to Buendia in that playmaker type role
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ian c. on June 14, 2023, 12:25:25 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on June 14, 2023, 12:19:17 PM
Quote from: ian c. on June 14, 2023, 12:12:26 PM
I think the Premier League and UEFA rules are different. 

Premier League seems to be a maximum 17 non-home grown players are allowed in a squad of up to 25. If you only have 6 home grown you could have a maximum squad size of 23. 

UEFA requires you to have 8 home grown players in a 25 man squad, 4 of these would have to come through the club's own youth system.

I might be wrong though.

We could include Ramsey jnr and Iroegbunam for UEFA I guess.

Just edited my previous post. We could name less home grown players but would have to reduce squad size.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on June 14, 2023, 12:27:09 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ian c. on June 14, 2023, 12:25:25 PM
Quote from: Risso on June 14, 2023, 12:19:17 PM
Quote from: ian c. on June 14, 2023, 12:12:26 PM
I think the Premier League and UEFA rules are different. 

Premier League seems to be a maximum 17 non-home grown players are allowed in a squad of up to 25. If you only have 6 home grown you could have a maximum squad size of 23. 

UEFA requires you to have 8 home grown players in a 25 man squad, 4 of these would have to come through the club's own youth system.

I might be wrong though.

We could include Ramsey jnr and Iroegbunam for UEFA I guess.

Just edited my previous post. We could name less home grown players but would have to reduce squad size.

Which is the same for the premier league so no need to treat the squads differently.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: UK Redsox on June 14, 2023, 12:31:00 PM
			

			

				Emery might just name a squad of 14 players and say "feck it, it's worked before"
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ian c. on June 14, 2023, 12:41:55 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on June 14, 2023, 12:27:09 PM
Quote from: ian c. on June 14, 2023, 12:25:25 PM
Quote from: Risso on June 14, 2023, 12:19:17 PM
Quote from: ian c. on June 14, 2023, 12:12:26 PM
I think the Premier League and UEFA rules are different. 

Premier League seems to be a maximum 17 non-home grown players are allowed in a squad of up to 25. If you only have 6 home grown you could have a maximum squad size of 23. 

UEFA requires you to have 8 home grown players in a 25 man squad, 4 of these would have to come through the club's own youth system.

I might be wrong though.

We could include Ramsey jnr and Iroegbunam for UEFA I guess.

Just edited my previous post. We could name less home grown players but would have to reduce squad size.

Which is the same for the premier league so no need to treat the squads differently.

Almost. For UEFA you still need a minimum of 4 of your 8 home grown to be club developed. If you don't have any club developed players you can only have a maximum 4 non-club developed home grown players.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on June 14, 2023, 12:47:26 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ian c. on June 14, 2023, 12:41:55 PM
Quote from: paul_e on June 14, 2023, 12:27:09 PM
Quote from: ian c. on June 14, 2023, 12:25:25 PM
Quote from: Risso on June 14, 2023, 12:19:17 PM
Quote from: ian c. on June 14, 2023, 12:12:26 PM
I think the Premier League and UEFA rules are different. 

Premier League seems to be a maximum 17 non-home grown players are allowed in a squad of up to 25. If you only have 6 home grown you could have a maximum squad size of 23. 

UEFA requires you to have 8 home grown players in a 25 man squad, 4 of these would have to come through the club's own youth system.

I might be wrong though.

We could include Ramsey jnr and Iroegbunam for UEFA I guess.

Just edited my previous post. We could name less home grown players but would have to reduce squad size.

Which is the same for the premier league so no need to treat the squads differently.

Almost. For UEFA you still need a minimum of 4 of your 8 home grown to be club developed. If you don't have any club developed players you can only have a maximum 4 non-club developed home grown players.

Ah yes, JJ, Archer, Sinisalo and KKH then I'd guess.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: rooboy316 on June 14, 2023, 12:51:00 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Yeltzer on June 14, 2023, 12:20:29 PM
I see a bit of talk in The Guardian that if Steeeeeeeevie G gets the managers at job at Al-Whothefuck then he’s gonna offer Coutinho a two year deal to join him. Would be an easy way to get him off our payroll?

Sounds more like lazy journalism than a solid link. I want him to flourish here because his best can be sublime, but if we get an opportunity to fleece someone off their oil fund money, I’m all for it!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on June 14, 2023, 12:56:09 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on June 14, 2023, 12:47:26 PM
Quote from: ian c. on June 14, 2023, 12:41:55 PM
Quote from: paul_e on June 14, 2023, 12:27:09 PM
Quote from: ian c. on June 14, 2023, 12:25:25 PM
Quote from: Risso on June 14, 2023, 12:19:17 PM
Quote from: ian c. on June 14, 2023, 12:12:26 PM
I think the Premier League and UEFA rules are different. 

Premier League seems to be a maximum 17 non-home grown players are allowed in a squad of up to 25. If you only have 6 home grown you could have a maximum squad size of 23. 

UEFA requires you to have 8 home grown players in a 25 man squad, 4 of these would have to come through the club's own youth system.

I might be wrong though.

We could include Ramsey jnr and Iroegbunam for UEFA I guess.

Just edited my previous post. We could name less home grown players but would have to reduce squad size.

Which is the same for the premier league so no need to treat the squads differently.

Almost. For UEFA you still need a minimum of 4 of your 8 home grown to be club developed. If you don't have any club developed players you can only have a maximum 4 non-club developed home grown players.

Ah yes, JJ, Archer, Sinisalo and KKH then I'd guess.

Ramsey J., Ramsey A., Archer, Sinisalo, Iroegbunam, O'Reilly, Patterson, Revan, Swinkels, Chrisene, all qualify... and I'd guess there's potential for the first 7 or 8 who've all made matchday squads this season...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on June 14, 2023, 01:01:30 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on June 14, 2023, 12:56:09 PM
Quote from: paul_e on June 14, 2023, 12:47:26 PM
Quote from: ian c. on June 14, 2023, 12:41:55 PM
Quote from: paul_e on June 14, 2023, 12:27:09 PM
Quote from: ian c. on June 14, 2023, 12:25:25 PM
Quote from: Risso on June 14, 2023, 12:19:17 PM
Quote from: ian c. on June 14, 2023, 12:12:26 PM
I think the Premier League and UEFA rules are different. 

Premier League seems to be a maximum 17 non-home grown players are allowed in a squad of up to 25. If you only have 6 home grown you could have a maximum squad size of 23. 

UEFA requires you to have 8 home grown players in a 25 man squad, 4 of these would have to come through the club's own youth system.

I might be wrong though.

We could include Ramsey jnr and Iroegbunam for UEFA I guess.

Just edited my previous post. We could name less home grown players but would have to reduce squad size.

Which is the same for the premier league so no need to treat the squads differently.

Almost. For UEFA you still need a minimum of 4 of your 8 home grown to be club developed. If you don't have any club developed players you can only have a maximum 4 non-club developed home grown players.

Ah yes, JJ, Archer, Sinisalo and KKH then I'd guess.

Ramsey J., Ramsey A., Archer, Sinisalo, Iroegbunam, O'Reilly, Patterson, Revan, Swinkels, Chrisene, all qualify... and I'd guess there's potential for the first 7 or 8 who've all made matchday squads this season...

What it might do is effect loan options, maybe we’ll have to wait until the play off round is done before some of the youngsters know whether they will be loaned out
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on June 14, 2023, 01:02:36 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on June 14, 2023, 12:56:09 PM
Quote from: paul_e on June 14, 2023, 12:47:26 PM
Quote from: ian c. on June 14, 2023, 12:41:55 PM
Quote from: paul_e on June 14, 2023, 12:27:09 PM
Quote from: ian c. on June 14, 2023, 12:25:25 PM
Quote from: Risso on June 14, 2023, 12:19:17 PM
Quote from: ian c. on June 14, 2023, 12:12:26 PM
I think the Premier League and UEFA rules are different. 

Premier League seems to be a maximum 17 non-home grown players are allowed in a squad of up to 25. If you only have 6 home grown you could have a maximum squad size of 23. 

UEFA requires you to have 8 home grown players in a 25 man squad, 4 of these would have to come through the club's own youth system.

I might be wrong though.

We could include Ramsey jnr and Iroegbunam for UEFA I guess.

Just edited my previous post. We could name less home grown players but would have to reduce squad size.

Which is the same for the premier league so no need to treat the squads differently.

Almost. For UEFA you still need a minimum of 4 of your 8 home grown to be club developed. If you don't have any club developed players you can only have a maximum 4 non-club developed home grown players.

Ah yes, JJ, Archer, Sinisalo and KKH then I'd guess.

Ramsey J., Ramsey A., Archer, Sinisalo, Iroegbunam, O'Reilly, Patterson, Revan, Swinkels, Chrisene, all qualify... and I'd guess there's potential for the first 7 or 8 who've all made matchday squads this season...

Yes but only JJ, Cam and Sinisalo need to be registered, the rest are all still considered U21 so can be played regardless. I added KKH because I thought he was older but he'd be fine as well.

The only players I can think of for that last spot are Davis and Philogene.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on June 14, 2023, 01:35:53 PM
			

			

				I'd be surprised if KKH, Davis or Philogene were still here come Septembe 1st. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on June 14, 2023, 01:39:54 PM
			

			

				KKH might still be here but Davis should be gone and probably Philogene too. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on June 14, 2023, 02:04:25 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on June 14, 2023, 01:02:36 PM
Quote from: Drummond on June 14, 2023, 12:56:09 PM
Quote from: paul_e on June 14, 2023, 12:47:26 PM
Quote from: ian c. on June 14, 2023, 12:41:55 PM
Quote from: paul_e on June 14, 2023, 12:27:09 PM
Quote from: ian c. on June 14, 2023, 12:25:25 PM
Quote from: Risso on June 14, 2023, 12:19:17 PM
Quote from: ian c. on June 14, 2023, 12:12:26 PM
I think the Premier League and UEFA rules are different. 

Premier League seems to be a maximum 17 non-home grown players are allowed in a squad of up to 25. If you only have 6 home grown you could have a maximum squad size of 23. 

UEFA requires you to have 8 home grown players in a 25 man squad, 4 of these would have to come through the club's own youth system.

I might be wrong though.

We could include Ramsey jnr and Iroegbunam for UEFA I guess.

Just edited my previous post. We could name less home grown players but would have to reduce squad size.

Which is the same for the premier league so no need to treat the squads differently.

Almost. For UEFA you still need a minimum of 4 of your 8 home grown to be club developed. If you don't have any club developed players you can only have a maximum 4 non-club developed home grown players.

Ah yes, JJ, Archer, Sinisalo and KKH then I'd guess.

Ramsey J., Ramsey A., Archer, Sinisalo, Iroegbunam, O'Reilly, Patterson, Revan, Swinkels, Chrisene, all qualify... and I'd guess there's potential for the first 7 or 8 who've all made matchday squads this season...

Yes but only JJ, Cam and Sinisalo need to be registered, the rest are all still considered U21 so can be played regardless. I added KKH because I thought he was older but he'd be fine as well.

The only players I can think of for that last spot are Davis and Philogene.

But wouldn't we need to register them to hit the target? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on June 14, 2023, 02:14:23 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on June 14, 2023, 02:04:25 PM
Quote from: paul_e on June 14, 2023, 01:02:36 PM
Yes but only JJ, Cam and Sinisalo need to be registered, the rest are all still considered U21 so can be played regardless. I added KKH because I thought he was older but he'd be fine as well.

The only players I can think of for that last spot are Davis and Philogene.

But wouldn't we need to register them to hit the target? 

No, it makes no difference, if we could only name 3 it'd just mean we can only name 24.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on June 14, 2023, 02:20:16 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on June 14, 2023, 12:02:57 PM
An Italian journalist claims we had already agreed a deal with Roma for Tammy Abraham before his ACL injury in the last game. I know he's very much a marmite player on here but  €30m in today's market for an English player would have been good value. 

“Roma had already sold Abraham to Aston Villa for €30m,” claimed Di Giovambattista.

“The deal was already closed, then everything fell through because of injury. According to our information, the Englishman will return in November 2023.”

Good. He's average at best.

Get well soon though. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 14, 2023, 02:21:19 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Londonvilla on June 13, 2023, 11:18:36 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 13, 2023, 10:55:07 PM
re Saudi, I never understood how it was that 15 of the 19 9/11 perpetrators were Saudi, yet American revenge for the attack seemed to involve nothing of note in the direction of Saudi Arabia.

I struggle to think of a more vile, reprehensible hell hole.

You are asserting a country with a population of 36 million based on the actions of 15 people.....some would say the hell hole is between your ears, but I would like to think you just had a bad day.

Yea but the Americans never seem to have any qualms doing that with other nationalities. 

And Jesus, bit over the top with the ‘between your ears’ comment. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on June 14, 2023, 02:23:35 PM
			

			

				Reports that we have apparently made a 'succulent offer' to Nico Williams. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 14, 2023, 02:36:06 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on June 14, 2023, 02:20:16 PM
Quote from: OCD on June 14, 2023, 12:02:57 PM
An Italian journalist claims we had already agreed a deal with Roma for Tammy Abraham before his ACL injury in the last game. I know he's very much a marmite player on here but  €30m in today's market for an English player would have been good value. 

“Roma had already sold Abraham to Aston Villa for €30m,” claimed Di Giovambattista.

“The deal was already closed, then everything fell through because of injury. According to our information, the Englishman will return in November 2023.”

Good. He's average at best.

Get well soon though.

Yeah, I don't wish him any ill will but I'm glad he's not coming. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 14, 2023, 02:38:04 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on June 14, 2023, 02:23:35 PM
Reports that we have apparently made a 'succulent offer' to Nico Williams.

When does an offer go from 'good' to 'succulent'? I want to know this juicy scale.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on June 14, 2023, 02:43:56 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on June 14, 2023, 02:38:04 PM
Quote from: Dogtanian on June 14, 2023, 02:23:35 PM
Reports that we have apparently made a 'succulent offer' to Nico Williams.

When does an offer go from 'good' to 'succulent'? I want to know this juicy scale.

With your username, you should be telling us! 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ian c. on June 14, 2023, 02:45:52 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on June 14, 2023, 02:23:35 PM
Reports that we have apparently made a 'succulent offer' to Nico Williams. 

Agaves with a few prickly pears thrown in for good measure?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 14, 2023, 02:49:03 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on June 14, 2023, 02:43:56 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on June 14, 2023, 02:38:04 PM
Quote from: Dogtanian on June 14, 2023, 02:23:35 PM
Reports that we have apparently made a 'succulent offer' to Nico Williams.

When does an offer go from 'good' to 'succulent'? I want to know this juicy scale.

With your username, you should be telling us!

True but I'd say I'm more succulent than a cactus but those pricks are called succulents.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on June 14, 2023, 02:49:40 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on June 14, 2023, 02:38:04 PM
Quote from: Dogtanian on June 14, 2023, 02:23:35 PM
Reports that we have apparently made a 'succulent offer' to Nico Williams.

When does an offer go from 'good' to 'succulent'? I want to know this juicy scale.
It's when we offer to take them for a succulent Chinese meal down Hurst Street.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on June 14, 2023, 02:52:01 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on June 14, 2023, 02:49:03 PM
Quote from: Steve67 on June 14, 2023, 02:43:56 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on June 14, 2023, 02:38:04 PM
Quote from: Dogtanian on June 14, 2023, 02:23:35 PM
Reports that we have apparently made a 'succulent offer' to Nico Williams.

When does an offer go from 'good' to 'succulent'? I want to know this juicy scale.

With your username, you should be telling us!

True but I'd say I'm more succulent than a cactus but those pricks are called succulents.

Maybe you're named in the deal!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Hookeysmith on June 14, 2023, 02:55:12 PM
			

			

				Jadon Sancho yet another bang average player over hyped by the media to being the next "big" thing so all the Redfilth wankers salivate at the day to day stories in the Sun of their attempts to get him.

Same as Martial, that Anthony wanker, Depay and countless others down to the likes of Kleberson and DJ twins.

Redfilth have minimum full page spread in the The Sun each day - they have to fill it with some shit each day that keeps all the home county fans on the leash.

There is not a single player from them i would want or feel would improve us
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on June 14, 2023, 03:02:04 PM
			

			

				Yet they finished 3rd in the PL and got to two cup finals, winning one of them.  They must have a few reasonable players.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 14, 2023, 03:05:27 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on June 14, 2023, 02:43:56 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on June 14, 2023, 02:38:04 PM
Quote from: Dogtanian on June 14, 2023, 02:23:35 PM
Reports that we have apparently made a 'succulent offer' to Nico Williams.

When does an offer go from 'good' to 'succulent'? I want to know this juicy scale.

With your username, you should be telling us! 

Probably one for the mandarins.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on June 14, 2023, 03:07:30 PM
			

			

				Chelsea meant to be moving in for Nicolas Jackson for around £30m. Seen as a cheaper alternative to Victor Osimhen.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: CT Villan on June 14, 2023, 03:16:01 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Hookeysmith on June 14, 2023, 02:55:12 PM
Jadon Sancho yet another bang average player over hyped by the media to being the next "big" thing so all the Redfilth wankers salivate at the day to day stories in the Sun of their attempts to get him.

Same as Martial, that Anthony wanker, Depay and countless others down to the likes of Kleberson and DJ twins.

Redfilth have minimum full page spread in the The Sun each day - they have to fill it with some shit each day that keeps all the home county fans on the leash.

There is not a single player from them i would want or feel would improve us
 
I agree with most of what you wrote, but there are definitely a few players there that would improve us, eg. Rashford, Martinez, Bruno and Casemiro.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on June 14, 2023, 03:17:35 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on June 14, 2023, 03:02:04 PM
Yet they finished 3rd in the PL and got to two cup finals, winning one of them.  They must have a few reasonable players.  

Casemiro, Rashford and Fernandes are all excellent. Martinez and Varane are very good.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on June 14, 2023, 03:20:40 PM
			

			

				De Gea would be a good back-up keeper.


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Hookeysmith on June 14, 2023, 03:34:41 PM
			

			

				Fernandes - really? you would actually entertain having that twat in our team

I would rather Rolf Harris or Jimmy Saville - as they have a better set of virtues than that rat faced cnut.

Nope - not for me not a single one of them as all of them would think they were better than playing for us and feel they we doing us a favour.

Also its why i hate their "supporters" moaning like bitches about money spent by their neighbours when they have spunked millions on bang average shite like

Anthony 95m€  (Makes Jacks cost look a bargain)
Sancho 85m€
Casemiro 70m€
and the giant that is Van de Beek (another one they spent all summer in the media chasing) for a 40m€ fee.

Then twats like Maguire and paying De Gea a reported 375€per week  :o

Most players they have had down the years would not command the coverage they get / got if they did not play for them.

Fuck the lot of them
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Somniloquism on June 14, 2023, 03:37:01 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Hookeysmith on June 14, 2023, 03:34:41 PM
Fernandes - really? you would actually entertain having that twat in our team


Yes. I would rather have him inside pissing out then outside pissing in. He is probably a major reason they have qualified for Europe the last few seasons.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on June 14, 2023, 03:44:41 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Hookeysmith on June 14, 2023, 03:34:41 PM
Fernandes - really? you would actually entertain having that twat in our team

I would rather Rolf Harris or Jimmy Saville - as they have a better set of virtues than that rat faced cnut.

Nope - not for me not a single one of them as all of them would think they were better than playing for us and feel they we doing us a favour.

Also its why i hate their "supporters" moaning like bitches about money spent by their neighbours when they have spunked millions on bang average shite like

Anthony 95m€  (Makes Jacks cost look a bargain)
Sancho 85m€
Casemiro 70m€
and the giant that is Van de Beek (another one they spent all summer in the media chasing) for a 40m€ fee.

Then twats like Maguire and paying De Gea a reported 375€per week  :o

Most players they have had down the years would not command the coverage they get / got if they did not play for them.

Fuck the lot of them

This is a horrible horrible post. Equating players with serial rapists is fucking stupid and offensive. What a vile, miserable, aggressive outburst this is. Get some therapy lad
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on June 14, 2023, 03:47:39 PM
			

			

				Also, side note to your diatribe, fernanades is a quality player
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 14, 2023, 03:48:10 PM
			

			

				How exactly has Casemiro not done well?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 14, 2023, 03:50:25 PM
			

			

				There are plenty of players who I can't stand who I would take, it's almost as if their footballing ability is the most important aspect. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on June 14, 2023, 03:51:13 PM
			

			

				And Rashford. Hookey is just on some wild anti man united thing, I don't think it's rational 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 14, 2023, 04:06:41 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on June 14, 2023, 03:07:30 PM
Chelsea meant to be moving in for Nicolas Jackson for around £30m. Seen as a cheaper alternative to Victor Osimhen.

Booo!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on June 14, 2023, 04:13:17 PM
			

			

				He's not 
Quote from: coreyfeldman on June 14, 2023, 03:44:41 PM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on June 14, 2023, 03:34:41 PM
Fernandes - really? you would actually entertain having that twat in our team

I would rather Rolf Harris or Jimmy Saville - as they have a better set of virtues than that rat faced cnut.

Nope - not for me not a single one of them as all of them would think they were better than playing for us and feel they we doing us a favour.

Also its why i hate their "supporters" moaning like bitches about money spent by their neighbours when they have spunked millions on bang average shite like

Anthony 95m€  (Makes Jacks cost look a bargain)
Sancho 85m€
Casemiro 70m€
and the giant that is Van de Beek (another one they spent all summer in the media chasing) for a 40m€ fee.

Then twats like Maguire and paying De Gea a reported 375€per week  :o

Most players they have had down the years would not command the coverage they get / got if they did not play for them.

Fuck the lot of them

This is a horrible horrible post. Equating players with serial rapists is fucking stupid and offensive. What a vile, miserable, aggressive outburst this is. Get some therapy lad
Calm down a bit, it's just a joke.  An exaggeration for comic effect.  Hookey clearly isn't equating Fernandes with serial rapists, just pointing out that he is extremely unlikable fellow.

Let's not let this one get out of hand.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brend'Watkins on June 14, 2023, 04:22:25 PM
			

			

				Anyone who knows anything about football would have Fernandes in their team.  He's a winner and can win games single handed sometimes.  Sure, he can be a whinging, moaning shithouser of a player but that to me is part of his appeal and his winning mentality. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on June 14, 2023, 04:27:48 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on June 14, 2023, 04:13:17 PM
He's not 
Quote from: coreyfeldman on June 14, 2023, 03:44:41 PM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on June 14, 2023, 03:34:41 PM
Fernandes - really? you would actually entertain having that twat in our team

I would rather Rolf Harris or Jimmy Saville - as they have a better set of virtues than that rat faced cnut.

Nope - not for me not a single one of them as all of them would think they were better than playing for us and feel they we doing us a favour.

Also its why i hate their "supporters" moaning like bitches about money spent by their neighbours when they have spunked millions on bang average shite like

Anthony 95m€  (Makes Jacks cost look a bargain)
Sancho 85m€
Casemiro 70m€
and the giant that is Van de Beek (another one they spent all summer in the media chasing) for a 40m€ fee.

Then twats like Maguire and paying De Gea a reported 375€per week  :o

Most players they have had down the years would not command the coverage they get / got if they did not play for them.

Fuck the lot of them

This is a horrible horrible post. Equating players with serial rapists is fucking stupid and offensive. What a vile, miserable, aggressive outburst this is. Get some therapy lad
Calm down a bit, it's just a joke.  An exaggeration for comic effect.  Hookey clearly isn't equating Fernandes with serial rapists, just pointing out that he is extremely unlikable fellow.

Let's not let this one get out of hand.

Sure, it's just a joke, but IMO we shouldn't be joking about serial sex offenders, cos it isn't funny is it 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on June 14, 2023, 04:34:41 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brend'Watkins on June 14, 2023, 04:22:25 PM
Anyone who knows anything about football would have Fernandes in their team.  He's a winner and can win games single handed sometimes.  Sure, he can be a whinging, moaning shithouser of a player but that to me is part of his appeal and his winning mentality.

You love him if he's yours.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 14, 2023, 04:35:29 PM
			

			

				Blanket bans on what can and can't be joked about is a slippery slope. It was in my opinion just a shit post.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on June 14, 2023, 04:39:52 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: coreyfeldman on June 14, 2023, 04:27:48 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on June 14, 2023, 04:13:17 PM
He's not 
Quote from: coreyfeldman on June 14, 2023, 03:44:41 PM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on June 14, 2023, 03:34:41 PM
Fernandes - really? you would actually entertain having that twat in our team

I would rather Rolf Harris or Jimmy Saville - as they have a better set of virtues than that rat faced cnut.

Nope - not for me not a single one of them as all of them would think they were better than playing for us and feel they we doing us a favour.

Also its why i hate their "supporters" moaning like bitches about money spent by their neighbours when they have spunked millions on bang average shite like

Anthony 95m€  (Makes Jacks cost look a bargain)
Sancho 85m€
Casemiro 70m€
and the giant that is Van de Beek (another one they spent all summer in the media chasing) for a 40m€ fee.

Then twats like Maguire and paying De Gea a reported 375€per week  :o

Most players they have had down the years would not command the coverage they get / got if they did not play for them.

Fuck the lot of them

This is a horrible horrible post. Equating players with serial rapists is fucking stupid and offensive. What a vile, miserable, aggressive outburst this is. Get some therapy lad
Calm down a bit, it's just a joke.  An exaggeration for comic effect.  Hookey clearly isn't equating Fernandes with serial rapists, just pointing out that he is extremely unlikable fellow.

Let's not let this one get out of hand.

Sure, it's just a joke, but IMO we shouldn't be joking about serial sex offenders, cos it isn't funny is it

No.

I did a Jimmy Saville gag in a Best Man's speech about 10 years ago. Best mixed reaction in a room I ever had. There were frowns, slack jaws, muffled laughs, great guffaws, outright groans and lots of people doing very large intakes of breath. 

"Toby asking you to go out for a beer is a bit like Jimmy Saville saying he was going to visit a hospital; seemed like a nice idea at the time, but it never ended well' or something similar.

It wasn't even that funny.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: danno on June 14, 2023, 04:42:22 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brend'Watkins on June 14, 2023, 04:22:25 PM
Anyone who knows anything about football would have Fernandes in their team.  He's a winner and can win games single handed sometimes.  Sure, he can be a whinging, moaning shithouser of a player but that to me is part of his appeal and his winning mentality.

This season in the premier league, James Maddison managed more goals and more assists playing for Leicester, and in seven fewer games.

But I would like to clarify this by stating that I am extremely biased, despise Man United and think faint praise of any kind for any of their mob is completely unacceptable.  :)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on June 14, 2023, 04:43:02 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on June 14, 2023, 04:35:29 PM
Blanket bans on what can and can't be joked about is a slippery slope. It was in my opinion just a shit post.

I didn't say anything about banning, just that my opinion is that it's not cool to make rape/sexual violence 'jokes'. People can say what they like and we can be ok or not ok with it. It's also a bad post aye
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: TheMalandro on June 14, 2023, 04:58:29 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: coreyfeldman on June 14, 2023, 03:44:41 PM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on June 14, 2023, 03:34:41 PM
Fernandes - really? you would actually entertain having that twat in our team

I would rather Rolf Harris or Jimmy Saville - as they have a better set of virtues than that rat faced cnut.

Nope - not for me not a single one of them as all of them would think they were better than playing for us and feel they we doing us a favour.

Also its why i hate their "supporters" moaning like bitches about money spent by their neighbours when they have spunked millions on bang average shite like

Anthony 95m€  (Makes Jacks cost look a bargain)
Sancho 85m€
Casemiro 70m€
and the giant that is Van de Beek (another one they spent all summer in the media chasing) for a 40m€ fee.

Then twats like Maguire and paying De Gea a reported 375€per week  :o

Most players they have had down the years would not command the coverage they get / got if they did not play for them.

Fuck the lot of them

This is a horrible horrible post. Equating players with serial rapists is fucking stupid and offensive. What a vile, miserable, aggressive outburst this is. Get some therapy lad

Agree. Saville, god no. We need someone with a mean streak - I’d go with Kenneth Noye.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on June 14, 2023, 05:30:09 PM
			

			

				What about Kenneth Anger?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Goldenballs on June 14, 2023, 05:37:32 PM
			

			

				Brentford bidding £30m for Brennan Johnson is a strange one given Forest stayed up, can't see them selling for anywhere near that!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 14, 2023, 06:41:36 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Goldenballs on June 14, 2023, 05:37:32 PM
Brentford bidding £30m for Brennan Johnson is a strange one given Forest stayed up, can't see them selling for anywhere near that!

Hang on, didn't they buy someone yesterday that raised an eyebrow over their intentions for next season? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 14, 2023, 06:53:47 PM
			

			

				Sancho..? Hell no.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 14, 2023, 07:09:55 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on June 14, 2023, 06:53:47 PM
Sancho..? Hell no.

I'd rather we signed Jaden Smith. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Hookeysmith on June 14, 2023, 07:27:46 PM
			

			

				Fuck me if people can't see the reference was a turn of phrase to emphasise my (pathological hatred for all things red) then you need to find your safe space and wait until it all goes away.

God forbid if I ever say anything positive about the Tories  ;) I might get tarred and feathered
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on June 14, 2023, 07:42:33 PM
			

			

				Is there anything positive to say about the Tories by anyone with an ounce of self respect?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on June 14, 2023, 08:01:49 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on June 14, 2023, 07:42:33 PM
Is there anything positive to say about the Tories by anyone with an ounce of self respect?

They make it much easier to see the good in people. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on June 14, 2023, 08:02:33 PM
			

			

				So 3 weeks until pre season, hopefully we'll have done most of our business by then. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 14, 2023, 08:18:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: coreyfeldman on June 14, 2023, 04:43:02 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on June 14, 2023, 04:35:29 PM
Blanket bans on what can and can't be joked about is a slippery slope. It was in my opinion just a shit post.

I didn't say anything about banning, just that my opinion is that it's not cool to make rape/sexual violence 'jokes'. People can say what they like and we can be ok or not ok with it. It's also a bad post aye

Yeah you didn't, sorry, poorly worded by me.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Somniloquism on June 14, 2023, 09:06:24 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on June 14, 2023, 07:42:33 PM
Is there anything positive to say about the Tories by anyone with an ounce of self respect?

I suspect he could have named a couple of tories instead, but there would have probably been a 50/50 chance he was talking about sex offenders again. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on June 14, 2023, 09:10:11 PM
			

			

				Interesting about Tammy that it’s alleged we agreed to buy him from Roma for about £25m and then he got injured. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 14, 2023, 09:16:10 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 14, 2023, 09:10:11 PM
Interesting about Tammy that it’s alleged we agreed to buy him from Roma for about £25m and then he got injured.

I don't think I've seen a player split opinion so much. I get that he was great for us in the championship but whenever I have seen him play at the top level (admittedly probably only properly around 7/8 times), I have always been really unimpressed. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: nigel on June 14, 2023, 09:28:02 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on June 14, 2023, 09:16:10 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 14, 2023, 09:10:11 PM
Interesting about Tammy that it’s alleged we agreed to buy him from Roma for about £25m and then he got injured.

I don't think I've seen a player split opinion so much. I get that he was great for us in the championship but whenever I have seen him play at the top level (admittedly probably only properly around 7/8 times), I have always been really unimpressed.

I’m not really one for having ex players back, but for £25m it’s a bit of a no brainer.
In fairness Ashley Young proved me wrong on that though.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Hookeysmith on June 14, 2023, 09:33:40 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Somniloquism on June 14, 2023, 09:06:24 PM
Quote from: LeeB on June 14, 2023, 07:42:33 PM
Is there anything positive to say about the Tories by anyone with an ounce of self respect?

I suspect he could have named a couple of tories instead, but there would have probably been a 50/50 chance he was talking about sex offenders again. 

Are you aware they have taken ironic out of the dictionary 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: KevinGage on June 14, 2023, 09:36:25 PM
			

			

				His numbers hold up at Chelsea and for his first season in Rome, as well as his stint with us. 

An oft overlooked benefit (and not reason enough to shell out €30 million on it's own admittedly) is his height at defending set pieces. We're a bit on the small side as a group of players. 

I'd be open to the idea of getting him, Mings and McGinn - the core of our play-off team - back in the same starting XI. But that was four years ago, as hard as it is to believe. 

If we target better than Tammy now we're in good shape. 

Maybe a loan with an option/ obligation to buy makes more sense next Jan. 


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on June 14, 2023, 09:55:02 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: KevinGage on June 14, 2023, 09:36:25 PM
Maybe a loan with an option/ obligation to buy makes more sense next Jan.

Wouldn't that just mean that he's being treated by our doctors for the next six months rather than theirs?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: KevinGage on June 14, 2023, 10:00:57 PM
			

			

				The loan starting next Jan with us, obv.  

If it looks like he's responded well to treatment and is back in first team contention there. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on June 14, 2023, 10:02:35 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on June 14, 2023, 09:16:10 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 14, 2023, 09:10:11 PM
Interesting about Tammy that it’s alleged we agreed to buy him from Roma for about £25m and then he got injured.

I don't think I've seen a player split opinion so much. I get that he was great for us in the championship but whenever I have seen him play at the top level (admittedly probably only properly around 7/8 times), I have always been really unimpressed.

And he wanted to ditch us and get out in January of our promotion season.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 14, 2023, 10:09:39 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: KevinGage on June 14, 2023, 09:36:25 PM
His numbers hold up at Chelsea and for his first season in Rome, as well as his stint with us. 

An oft overlooked benefit (and not reason enough to shell out €30 million on it's own admittedly) is his height at defending set pieces. We're a bit on the small side as a group of players. 

I'd be open to the idea of getting him, Mings and McGinn - the core of our play-off team - back in the same starting XI. But that was four years ago, as hard as it is to believe. 

If we target better than Tammy now we're in good shape. 

Maybe a loan with an option/ obligation to buy makes more sense next Jan.

You see I can see all that, I did look up his stats and he has had 2 good seasons at the top level yet when I see him play I don't 'get it'. I never feel like I'm watching a top striker. Obviously statistically I'm wrong but my gut just says 'no' to getting him.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: KevinGage on June 14, 2023, 10:24:25 PM
			

			

				He's not Lewandowski, Stoichkov or Gary Penrice-level, true. 

Prob the next step down
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on June 14, 2023, 10:54:12 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on June 14, 2023, 10:09:39 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on June 14, 2023, 09:36:25 PM
His numbers hold up at Chelsea and for his first season in Rome, as well as his stint with us. 

An oft overlooked benefit (and not reason enough to shell out €30 million on it's own admittedly) is his height at defending set pieces. We're a bit on the small side as a group of players. 

I'd be open to the idea of getting him, Mings and McGinn - the core of our play-off team - back in the same starting XI. But that was four years ago, as hard as it is to believe. 

If we target better than Tammy now we're in good shape. 

Maybe a loan with an option/ obligation to buy makes more sense next Jan.

You see I can see all that, I did look up his stats and he has had 2 good seasons at the top level yet when I see him play I don't 'get it'. I never feel like I'm watching a top striker. Obviously statistically I'm wrong but my gut just says 'no' to getting him.

Yeah I know exactly what you mean because I am the same
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 14, 2023, 11:06:30 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on June 14, 2023, 07:42:33 PM
Is there anything positive to say about the Tories by anyone with an ounce of self respect?

No matter how bad they get (and they are really bad at the moment, far to left of Blair and nothing like real conservatives) they are still a million times better than the horrors to come under the other idiots. Thats about the best I can come up with. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 14, 2023, 11:27:44 PM
			

			

				Insert Tom Hardy meme pointing up saying "That's bait".
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 14, 2023, 11:35:11 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on June 14, 2023, 11:06:30 PM
Quote from: LeeB on June 14, 2023, 07:42:33 PM
Is there anything positive to say about the Tories by anyone with an ounce of self respect?

No matter how bad they get (and they are really bad at the moment, far to left of Blair and nothing like real conservatives) they are still a million times better than the horrors to come under the other idiots. Thats about the best I can come up with.

Blair cut homelessness by 75% and had the NHS achieving its highest ever approval ratings. And you think the party that’s been killing the poor with austerity is to the LEFT of that?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: astonvilla82 on June 14, 2023, 11:39:27 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on June 14, 2023, 11:06:30 PM
Quote from: LeeB on June 14, 2023, 07:42:33 PM
Is there anything positive to say about the Tories by anyone with an ounce of self respect?

No matter how bad they get (and they are really bad at the moment, far to left of Blair and nothing like real conservatives) they are still a million times better than the horrors to come under the other idiots. Thats about the best I can come up with.
 The evidence is?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 14, 2023, 11:42:27 PM
			

			

				Imagine thinking anyone could be worse than these ******:

https://twitter.com/supertanskiii/status/1668913561685356546?s=46&t=Wt_hJMba3OfcELLkOImEcA
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: danno on June 14, 2023, 11:45:56 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on June 14, 2023, 10:02:35 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on June 14, 2023, 09:16:10 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 14, 2023, 09:10:11 PM
Interesting about Tammy that it’s alleged we agreed to buy him from Roma for about £25m and then he got injured.

I don't think I've seen a player split opinion so much. I get that he was great for us in the championship but whenever I have seen him play at the top level (admittedly probably only properly around 7/8 times), I have always been really unimpressed.

And he wanted to ditch us and get out in January of our promotion season.

I thought he turned down Wolves?  Was he hoping someone else came in?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on June 14, 2023, 11:58:15 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on June 14, 2023, 11:06:30 PM
Quote from: LeeB on June 14, 2023, 07:42:33 PM
Is there anything positive to say about the Tories by anyone with an ounce of self respect?

No matter how bad they get (and they are really bad at the moment, far to left of Blair and nothing like real conservatives) they are still a million times better than the horrors to come under the other idiots. Thats about the best I can come up with. 

ROFL
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 15, 2023, 12:00:38 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on June 14, 2023, 07:42:33 PM
Is there anything positive to say about the Tories by anyone with an ounce of self respect?

Says the 2023 Rachman. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on June 15, 2023, 12:22:52 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 15, 2023, 12:00:38 AM
Quote from: LeeB on June 14, 2023, 07:42:33 PM
Is there anything positive to say about the Tories by anyone with an ounce of self respect?

Says the 2023 Rachman. 

You laugh, but I got told yesterday I can't it remortgaged as I don't charge enough rent.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on June 15, 2023, 12:43:32 AM
			

			

				Back on topic, the striker position is going to be an interesting one. Unless we fork out serious money on an international class striker, then Watkins is likely to start as first choice.  We are therefore probably going to be in the market for someone who is content with starting out as second choice and working their way in.

It will be interesting to see if Forest will entertain offers for Brennan Johnson as he could fit that profile and comes with added bonus of being able to play wide.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on June 15, 2023, 12:49:42 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: tomd2103 on June 15, 2023, 12:43:32 AM
Back on topic, the striker position is going to be an interesting one. Unless we fork out serious money on an international class striker, then Watkins is likely to start as first choice.  We are therefore probably going to be in the market for someone who is content with starting out as second choice and working their way in.

It will be interesting to see if Forest will entertain offers for Brennan Johnson as he could fit that profile and comes with added bonus of being able to play wide.  

He's not strong enough to play instead of Watkins if needed
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on June 15, 2023, 01:25:15 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Hookeysmith on June 14, 2023, 07:27:46 PM
Fuck me if people can't see the reference was a turn of phrase to emphasise my (pathological hatred for all things red) then you need to find your safe space and wait until it all goes away.

God forbid if I ever say anything positive about the Tories  ;) I might get tarred and feathered

If you can't see that making 'jokes' about rapists might upset other people then perhaps you need to poke your head out of your hole for 5 minutes. Find a less disgusting analogy, it's not difficult if you have half a brain 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on June 15, 2023, 01:59:03 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on June 15, 2023, 12:49:42 AM
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Back on topic, the striker position is going to be an interesting one. Unless we fork out serious money on an international class striker, then Watkins is likely to start as first choice.  We are therefore probably going to be in the market for someone who is content with starting out as second choice and working their way in.

It will be interesting to see if Forest will entertain offers for Brennan Johnson as he could fit that profile and comes with added bonus of being able to play wide.  

He's not strong enough to play instead of Watkins if needed

That's the question though, what sort of level of striker are we going to be able to attract if they are likely to be coming in as second choice to start with?  With that in mind, I don't think Tammy Abraham at £25m would have been a bad bit of business to be honest.

I think it will be interesting to see which way we go with a striker.  We might, of course, go big and bring in someone who will push Watkins into 2nd choice, but I suspect any major investments will into the 'number 10' and wide positions.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 15, 2023, 02:03:45 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: tomd2103 on June 15, 2023, 01:59:03 AM
Quote from: LeeB on June 15, 2023, 12:49:42 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on June 15, 2023, 12:43:32 AM
Back on topic, the striker position is going to be an interesting one. Unless we fork out serious money on an international class striker, then Watkins is likely to start as first choice.  We are therefore probably going to be in the market for someone who is content with starting out as second choice and working their way in.

It will be interesting to see if Forest will entertain offers for Brennan Johnson as he could fit that profile and comes with added bonus of being able to play wide.  

He's not strong enough to play instead of Watkins if needed

That's the question though, what sort of level of striker are we going to be able to attract if they are likely to be coming in as second choice to start with?  With that in mind, I don't think Tammy Abraham at £25m would have been a bad bit of business to be honest.

I think it will be interesting to see which way we go with a striker.  We might, of course, go big and bring in someone who will push Watkins into 2nd choice, but I suspect any major investments will into the 'number 10' and wide positions.

This is why I want Jackson. Most strikers who can play all across the front are not good enough as either a winger or a centre-forward. Jackson is.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Richard E on June 15, 2023, 06:14:10 AM
			

			

				Sign him and make him squad number 5.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RichardBatchelor on June 15, 2023, 07:03:58 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Hookeysmith on June 14, 2023, 03:34:41 PM
Fernandes - really? you would actually entertain having that twat in our team

I would rather Rolf Harris or Jimmy Saville - as they have a better set of virtues than that rat faced cnut.

Nope - not for me not a single one of them as all of them would think they were better than playing for us and feel they we doing us a favour.

Also its why i hate their "supporters" moaning like bitches about money spent by their neighbours when they have spunked millions on bang average shite like

Anthony 95m€  (Makes Jacks cost look a bargain)
Sancho 85m€
Casemiro 70m€
and the giant that is Van de Beek (another one they spent all summer in the media chasing) for a 40m€ fee.

Then twats like Maguire and paying De Gea a reported 375€per week  :o

Most players they have had down the years would not command the coverage they get / got if they did not play for them.

Fuck the lot of them

Full of the joys of spring …
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: nigel on June 15, 2023, 07:54:18 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: danno on June 14, 2023, 11:45:56 PM
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Interesting about Tammy that it’s alleged we agreed to buy him from Roma for about £25m and then he got injured.

I don't think I've seen a player split opinion so much. I get that he was great for us in the championship but whenever I have seen him play at the top level (admittedly probably only properly around 7/8 times), I have always been really unimpressed.

And he wanted to ditch us and get out in January of our promotion season.

I thought he turned down Wolves?  Was he hoping someone else came in?

Yes, I thought that, too.
I think his agent was looking elsewhere, but, given the choice, Tammy preferred to stay with us.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on June 15, 2023, 08:14:18 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: nigel on June 15, 2023, 07:54:18 AM
Quote from: danno on June 14, 2023, 11:45:56 PM
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Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on June 14, 2023, 09:16:10 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 14, 2023, 09:10:11 PM
Interesting about Tammy that it’s alleged we agreed to buy him from Roma for about £25m and then he got injured.

I don't think I've seen a player split opinion so much. I get that he was great for us in the championship but whenever I have seen him play at the top level (admittedly probably only properly around 7/8 times), I have always been really unimpressed.

And he wanted to ditch us and get out in January of our promotion season.

I thought he turned down Wolves?  Was he hoping someone else came in?

Yes, I thought that, too.
I think his agent was looking elsewhere, but, given the choice, Tammy preferred to stay with us.

He was talking to them and had to be talked round by fraggle hair;

"Grealish, who was injured at the time the striker was being chased by Wolves, told The Mirror: “I remember the manager ringing me and saying ‘I know you and Tammy are close – have a word with him’. I said to him: ‘Listen to your Uncle Jack, when I’m back (from injury) it will change’. I was just talking utter rubbish. I didn’t know it would (work)."

"There were times I nearly gave up but Jack would be in my ear. When he was injured, he used to phone me telling me to keep it going for him until he got back because he believed he had a chance."

I know that we weren't setting the place alight at that point, but we'd given him the platform to score goals and show off what he could do. We'd put him in the shop window already by that point and his loan was serving it's purpose.

I want people who want to play at the Villa and we've had far too many people who's heads drop when it's not going out way. We have players now who want to rise to the challenge and a manager who is pushing that philosophy.  I haven't seen anything in Abraham that suggests he actually wants to play for us and would be one of the people digging us out the hole when the odds are against us.

He has masses of ability and I'll always be grateful for his contribution that season, but there's a reason he isn't a hero anywhere else and has yet to spend more than two seasons in anyone's team.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Chris Smith on June 15, 2023, 08:29:17 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on June 15, 2023, 08:14:18 AM
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Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 14, 2023, 09:10:11 PM
Interesting about Tammy that it’s alleged we agreed to buy him from Roma for about £25m and then he got injured.

I don't think I've seen a player split opinion so much. I get that he was great for us in the championship but whenever I have seen him play at the top level (admittedly probably only properly around 7/8 times), I have always been really unimpressed.

And he wanted to ditch us and get out in January of our promotion season.

I thought he turned down Wolves?  Was he hoping someone else came in?

Yes, I thought that, too.
I think his agent was looking elsewhere, but, given the choice, Tammy preferred to stay with us.

He was talking to them and had to be talked round by fraggle hair;

"Grealish, who was injured at the time the striker was being chased by Wolves, told The Mirror: “I remember the manager ringing me and saying ‘I know you and Tammy are close – have a word with him’. I said to him: ‘Listen to your Uncle Jack, when I’m back (from injury) it will change’. I was just talking utter rubbish. I didn’t know it would (work)."

"There were times I nearly gave up but Jack would be in my ear. When he was injured, he used to phone me telling me to keep it going for him until he got back because he believed he had a chance."

I know that we weren't setting the place alight at that point, but we'd given him the platform to score goals and show off what he could do. We'd put him in the shop window already by that point and his loan was serving it's purpose.

I want people who want to play at the Villa and we've had far too many people who's heads drop when it's not going out way. We have players now who want to rise to the challenge and a manager who is pushing that philosophy.  I haven't seen anything in Abraham that suggests he actually wants to play for us and would be one of the people digging us out the hole when the odds are against us.

He has masses of ability and I'll always be grateful for his contribution that season, but there's a reason he isn't a hero anywhere else and has yet to spend more than two seasons in anyone's team.

I think that’s a bit harsh. Any player on loan has to have an eye on their long term future, if the chance comes for a permanent move they would be stupid not to at least consider it. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on June 15, 2023, 08:34:49 AM
			

			

				It wasn't it was another loan to the end of the season.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on June 15, 2023, 08:53:18 AM
			

			

				I've to take exception to this, whilst I'm not that fussed about signing him now his commitment when wearing the shirt for us on loan was outstanding, regardless of if he was interested in moving to Wolves at that point.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on June 15, 2023, 10:32:38 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on June 15, 2023, 08:34:49 AM
It wasn't it was another loan to the end of the season.
In the PL for a team who was doing well at the time.

People can spin Tammy's time with us any way they want, but him turning down a very attractive loan move for a young player trying to establish their career was huge for us and very loyal by him.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on June 15, 2023, 11:14:37 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on June 15, 2023, 10:32:38 AM
Quote from: Dogtanian on June 15, 2023, 08:34:49 AM
It wasn't it was another loan to the end of the season.
In the PL for a team who was doing well at the time.

People can spin Tammy's time with us any way they want, but him turning down a very attractive loan move for a young player trying to establish their career was huge for us and very loyal by him.

Well, it's not really a spin, it's just my opinion of the player.  If people think talking to another club about ditching us but in the end deciding not to is very loyal, well that's up to them too.

I remember when we got promoted, everyone was talking about signing him back up for the Prem and he showed absolutely no interest whatsoever. Chelsea moved him on after two seasons, Roma are happy to let him go after two seasons...

I think he's a good player, and as I said before, I am grateful for what he did for us. But I don't hold him up as some Villa hero I'd love to get back, he was just a player who had a mutually beneficial loan. He wasn't a Benteke.

Looking at him like that without claret and blue specs on, he's had one good season at Chelsea and one good season at Roma, after two good seasons in the Championship. He'll be 26 years old next season. Not a bad signing or one I would hate to see happen, but not one I would really get excited for from what I've seen so far.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on June 15, 2023, 11:26:00 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on June 15, 2023, 11:14:37 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on June 15, 2023, 10:32:38 AM
Quote from: Dogtanian on June 15, 2023, 08:34:49 AM
It wasn't it was another loan to the end of the season.
In the PL for a team who was doing well at the time.

People can spin Tammy's time with us any way they want, but him turning down a very attractive loan move for a young player trying to establish their career was huge for us and very loyal by him.

Well, it's not really a spin, it's just my opinion of the player.  If people think talking to another club about ditching us but in the end deciding not to is very loyal, well that's up to them too.

I remember when we got promoted, everyone was talking about signing him back up for the Prem and he showed absolutely no interest whatsoever. Chelsea moved him on after two seasons, Roma are happy to let him go after two seasons...

I think he's a good player, and as I said before, I am grateful for what he did for us. But I don't hold him up as some Villa hero I'd love to get back, he was just a player who had a mutually beneficial loan. He wasn't a Benteke.

Looking at him like that without claret and blue specs on, he's had one good season at Chelsea and one good season at Roma, after two good seasons in the Championship. He'll be 26 years old next season. Not a bad signing or one I would hate to see happen, but not one I would really get excited for from what I've seen so far.

Couldn’t disagree more ref loyalty, he was here on loan and if at the time he was being offered via his parent club the opportunity to switch his loan to the Premier League he had to consider it.  

As for after he went back, he went back to one of the top clubs in the league who had just appointed a new manager who was clearly going to give opportunities to younger players like Mount, Tomori & Tammy.

Where I do agree is after 3/4 years I am still not convinced he is the answer or overall good enough
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on June 15, 2023, 11:42:03 AM
			

			

				It's moot now, he's crocked for the next few month and will be gone til November, he'll be gone til November. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brend'Watkins on June 15, 2023, 11:54:45 AM
			

			

				I like Tammy for where we were back then. I don't see him as an improvement on Ollie really though and maybe not even as good as.  I'd rather Cameron promoted.  If he doesn't work sufficiently well then we try and address it in January but I'm sure he will be a success when needed. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: danno on June 15, 2023, 12:36:30 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on June 15, 2023, 11:14:37 AM
I think he's a good player, and as I said before, I am grateful for what he did for us. But I don't hold him up as some Villa hero I'd love to get back, he was just a player who had a mutually beneficial loan. He wasn't a Benteke.

Loved the big man, but he wanted out after the first season!
It’s only injuries that meant he stayed for three years.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 15, 2023, 12:42:08 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: danno on June 15, 2023, 12:36:30 PM
Quote from: Dogtanian on June 15, 2023, 11:14:37 AM
I think he's a good player, and as I said before, I am grateful for what he did for us. But I don't hold him up as some Villa hero I'd love to get back, he was just a player who had a mutually beneficial loan. He wasn't a Benteke.

Loved the big man, but he wanted out after the first season!
It’s only injuries that meant he stayed for three years.

He also went on strike to get his move to us didnt he ?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on June 15, 2023, 12:53:50 PM
			

			

				Benteke is like a love affair, okay it ended with hurt and regret, but it was awesome while it lasted and you still think back to the good times. Tammy is like an Amsterdam prostitute, we paid our 50 euros and got our fifteen minutes, but we shouldn't go all misty eyed over it or ask her to move in.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 15, 2023, 12:56:55 PM
			

			

				I really thought Benteke was going to end up at somewhere like Real Madrid, couldn't have been more wrong. He's barely looked like a footballer at times since leaving us, I never thought he'd become a 'joke'.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on June 15, 2023, 12:58:57 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on June 15, 2023, 12:56:55 PM
I really thought Benteke was going to end up at somewhere like Real Madrid, couldn't have been more wrong. He's barely looked like a footballer at times since leaving us, I never thought he'd become a 'joke'.

Yeah, it's sad really. He was loved at the Villa and never got that anywhere else.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: enigma on June 15, 2023, 01:12:53 PM
			

			

				Benteke's achilles injury finished him as a top level striker. Was never the same afterwards, even for us.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on June 15, 2023, 01:46:28 PM
			

			

				The injury played a part but I think the biggest thing was that Liverpool was just the wrong fit for him, particularly when they changed to Klopp after 2 months. Benteke just wasn't the right player for how he wanted them to play after that. I am surprised he didn't do better at Palace but I think part of that was that in 12-13 months he went from being the main man with the world at his feet to being dumped on the first people willing to take him and it wrecked his confidence.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: danno on June 15, 2023, 01:49:12 PM
			

			

				The last time he looked anything like himself was 16/17 when Allardyce was at Palace for half a season. For whatever reason after that it seemed like Hodgson didn’t fancy him.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Hookeysmith on June 15, 2023, 01:56:10 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: coreyfeldman on June 15, 2023, 01:25:15 AM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on June 14, 2023, 07:27:46 PM
Fuck me if people can't see the reference was a turn of phrase to emphasise my (pathological hatred for all things red) then you need to find your safe space and wait until it all goes away.

God forbid if I ever say anything positive about the Tories  ;) I might get tarred and feathered

If you can't see that making 'jokes' about rapists might upset other people then perhaps you need to poke your head out of your hole for 5 minutes. Find a less disgusting analogy, it's not difficult if you have half a brain 

Watch you don't fall off that pedestal dear
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: nigel on June 15, 2023, 02:38:32 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on June 15, 2023, 12:58:57 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on June 15, 2023, 12:56:55 PM
I really thought Benteke was going to end up at somewhere like Real Madrid, couldn't have been more wrong. He's barely looked like a footballer at times since leaving us, I never thought he'd become a 'joke'.

Yeah, it's sad really. He was loved at the Villa and never got that anywhere else.

Agree
Liverpool was probably the worst club he could have joined, they just didn’t suit him.
I hate to say it, but, Chelsea would have been perfect for him. An absolute shoe in as Drogba’s replacement 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on June 15, 2023, 02:48:49 PM
			

			

				I remember the Benteke v Lukaku debate raging at the time, Chelsea didn't seem to rate the latter too highly either. I didn't think it was possible to be better all-round than Benteke was in those seasons for us. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on June 15, 2023, 03:01:08 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on June 15, 2023, 02:48:49 PM
I remember the Benteke v Lukaku debate raging at the time, Chelsea didn't seem to rate the latter too highly either. I didn't think it was possible to be better all-round than Benteke was in those seasons for us. 
True, I was definitely of the opinion Benteke was the better player.  Tbh, I think he was until it all went tits up.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on June 15, 2023, 03:58:16 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on June 15, 2023, 12:53:50 PM
Benteke is like a love affair, okay it ended with hurt and regret, but it was awesome while it lasted and you still think back to the good times. Tammy is like an Amsterdam prostitute, we paid our 50 euros and got our fifteen minutes, but we shouldn't go all misty eyed over it or ask her to move in.

😂
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Astnor on June 15, 2023, 04:12:24 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on June 15, 2023, 03:58:16 PM
Quote from: Dogtanian on June 15, 2023, 12:53:50 PM
Benteke is like a love affair, okay it ended with hurt and regret, but it was awesome while it lasted and you still think back to the good times. Tammy is like an Amsterdam prostitute, we paid our 50 euros and got our fifteen minutes, but we shouldn't go all misty eyed over it or ask her to move in.

😂
I did LOL too. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Hookeysmith on June 15, 2023, 04:12:48 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on June 15, 2023, 03:01:08 PM
Quote from: eamonn on June 15, 2023, 02:48:49 PM
I remember the Benteke v Lukaku debate raging at the time, Chelsea didn't seem to rate the latter too highly either. I didn't think it was possible to be better all-round than Benteke was in those seasons for us. 
True, I was definitely of the opinion Benteke was the better player.  Tbh, I think he was until it all went tits up.

I was totally convinced that at the height of his powers Benteke was the total player to fill Drogba's boots at Chelsea. I was amazed when he went to Liverpool especially with the way they had been set up.

It was a wrong move and began the beginning of the end for his career.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on June 15, 2023, 04:43:46 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on June 15, 2023, 01:46:28 PM
The injury played a part but I think the biggest thing was that Liverpool was just the wrong fit for him, particularly when they changed to Klopp after 2 months. Benteke just wasn't the right player for how he wanted them to play after that. I am surprised he didn't do better at Palace but I think part of that was that in 12-13 months he went from being the main man with the world at his feet to being dumped on the first people willing to take him and it wrecked his confidence.

On the other hand, even that version is still probably the best striker they've had since Ian Wright. 

Even if that is two-thirds of the player that we had.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on June 15, 2023, 05:30:11 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Astnor on June 15, 2023, 04:12:24 PM
Quote from: Smirker on June 15, 2023, 03:58:16 PM
Quote from: Dogtanian on June 15, 2023, 12:53:50 PM
Benteke is like a love affair, okay it ended with hurt and regret, but it was awesome while it lasted and you still think back to the good times. Tammy is like an Amsterdam prostitute, we paid our 50 euros and got our fifteen minutes, but we shouldn't go all misty eyed over it or ask her to move in.

😂
I did LOL too. 

I smirked and tutted. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on June 15, 2023, 05:35:47 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on June 15, 2023, 05:30:11 PM
Quote from: Astnor on June 15, 2023, 04:12:24 PM
Quote from: Smirker on June 15, 2023, 03:58:16 PM
Quote from: Dogtanian on June 15, 2023, 12:53:50 PM
Benteke is like a love affair, okay it ended with hurt and regret, but it was awesome while it lasted and you still think back to the good times. Tammy is like an Amsterdam prostitute, we paid our 50 euros and got our fifteen minutes, but we shouldn't go all misty eyed over it or ask her to move in.

😂
I did LOL too. 

I smirked and tutted. 

I thought the 15 minutes was a bit of an exaggeration
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on June 15, 2023, 05:39:13 PM
			

			

				And the guys at the front have seen your act one million times before
And nobody does it quite the same, so they're sitting down for more
But you're making them feel so useless and dumb
'Cause they've seen it all and they still can't come
Oh, let me tell you, it's a dirty world
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Witton Warrior on June 15, 2023, 06:13:54 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on June 15, 2023, 02:48:49 PM
I remember the Benteke v Lukaku debate raging at the time, Chelsea didn't seem to rate the latter too highly either. I didn't think it was possible to be better all-round than Benteke was in those seasons for us. 

He was worth the ticket on his own for a lot of his period with us - he scored some mad and delightful goals in a period when entertainment was in painfully short supply at VP. I still think his goal against Manure where he twisted their defence inside out twice before curling his shot past a frozen De Hea (sp?) is one of the finest strikes I have seen at VP in 50 years
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on June 15, 2023, 06:37:46 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Witton Warrior on June 15, 2023, 06:13:54 PM
Quote from: eamonn on June 15, 2023, 02:48:49 PM
I remember the Benteke v Lukaku debate raging at the time, Chelsea didn't seem to rate the latter too highly either. I didn't think it was possible to be better all-round than Benteke was in those seasons for us. 

He was worth the ticket on his own for a lot of his period with us - he scored some mad and delightful goals in a period when entertainment was in painfully short supply at VP. I still think his goal against Manure where he twisted their defence inside out twice before curling his shot past a frozen De Hea (sp?) is one of the finest strikes I have seen at VP in 50 years

He had it all, but his beast headers were sexual to me
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dave shelley on June 15, 2023, 06:48:53 PM
			

			

				He had it in him to be a proper Villa legend and one of the best foreign imports to appear in this country.  He had a jackass of an agent I believe.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: N'ZMAV on June 15, 2023, 06:53:58 PM
			

			

				Jackson from Villarreal looks like he’s going to be a special player. 

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 15, 2023, 07:02:09 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: N'ZMAV on June 15, 2023, 06:53:58 PM
Jackson from Villarreal looks like he’s going to be a special player.

Yes! Excited as I am by the potential of Williams, Jackson is the Nico for me!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on June 15, 2023, 07:26:56 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Witton Warrior on June 15, 2023, 06:13:54 PM
Quote from: eamonn on June 15, 2023, 02:48:49 PM
I remember the Benteke v Lukaku debate raging at the time, Chelsea didn't seem to rate the latter too highly either. I didn't think it was possible to be better all-round than Benteke was in those seasons for us. 

He was worth the ticket on his own for a lot of his period with us - he scored some mad and delightful goals in a period when entertainment was in painfully short supply at VP. I still think his goal against Manure where he twisted their defence inside out twice before curling his shot past a frozen De Hea (sp?) is one of the finest strikes I have seen at VP in 50 years

Falcao only scored a out three goals in the time he was at Man Utd and of course one would be against us in that same game.

I really thought we'd beat MU that day. I was at the tip of the North Stand right behind that goal with the most perfect view. It just went in slow motion from where I was. I then screamed like a little girl  8)

All of Big Ben's goals - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dNrpP2_RP8U&pp=ygUYQmVudGVrZSBldmVyeSB2aWxsYSBnb2Fs
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on June 15, 2023, 07:35:29 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 15, 2023, 07:02:09 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on June 15, 2023, 06:53:58 PM
Jackson from Villarreal looks like he’s going to be a special player.

Yes! Excited as I am by the potential of Williams, Jackson is the Nico for me!

Would like them both. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on June 15, 2023, 07:40:16 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: N'ZMAV on June 15, 2023, 06:53:58 PM
Jackson from Villarreal looks like he’s going to be a special player.

For the rumored 30m cost, its a no brainer. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on June 15, 2023, 08:23:49 PM
			

			

				That YouTube clip of Benteke’s goals was great. He had it all really, what a fantastic striker he was for us.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Nunkin1965 on June 15, 2023, 08:33:48 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on June 15, 2023, 07:26:56 PM
Quote from: Witton Warrior on June 15, 2023, 06:13:54 PM
Quote from: eamonn on June 15, 2023, 02:48:49 PM
I remember the Benteke v Lukaku debate raging at the time, Chelsea didn't seem to rate the latter too highly either. I didn't think it was possible to be better all-round than Benteke was in those seasons for us. 

He was worth the ticket on his own for a lot of his period with us - he scored some mad and delightful goals in a period when entertainment was in painfully short supply at VP. I still think his goal against Manure where he twisted their defence inside out twice before curling his shot past a frozen De Hea (sp?) is one of the finest strikes I have seen at VP in 50 years

Falcao only scored a out three goals in the time he was at Man Utd and of course one would be against us in that same game.

I really thought we'd beat MU that day. I was at the tip of the North Stand right behind that goal with the most perfect view. It just went in slow motion from where I was. I then screamed like a little girl  8)

All of Big Ben's goals - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dNrpP2_RP8U&pp=ygUYQmVudGVrZSBldmVyeSB2aWxsYSBnb2Fs
Oh that was a wonderful watch. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 15, 2023, 08:36:47 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on June 15, 2023, 07:35:29 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 15, 2023, 07:02:09 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on June 15, 2023, 06:53:58 PM
Jackson from Villarreal looks like he’s going to be a special player.

Yes! Excited as I am by the potential of Williams, Jackson is the Nico for me!

Would like them both.

Me too.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: nigel on June 15, 2023, 08:42:23 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on June 15, 2023, 08:23:49 PM
That YouTube clip of Benteke’s goals was great. He had it all really, what a fantastic striker he was for us.

He really was a great centre forward.
I’m convinced Liverpool only bought him to stop him scoring against them.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rodders on June 15, 2023, 08:42:28 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on June 15, 2023, 08:23:49 PM
That YouTube clip of Benteke’s goals was great. He had it all really, what a fantastic striker he was for us.

Guzan @4'25" on is brilliant. 😆
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: nigel on June 15, 2023, 08:45:24 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rodders on June 15, 2023, 08:42:28 PM
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on June 15, 2023, 08:23:49 PM
That YouTube clip of Benteke’s goals was great. He had it all really, what a fantastic striker he was for us.

Guzan @4'25" on is brilliant. 😆

That’s Friedel isn’t it?
I’ll have to check 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rodders on June 15, 2023, 08:49:09 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: nigel on June 15, 2023, 08:45:24 PM
Quote from: Rodders on June 15, 2023, 08:42:28 PM
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on June 15, 2023, 08:23:49 PM
That YouTube clip of Benteke’s goals was great. He had it all really, what a fantastic striker he was for us.

Guzan @4'25" on is brilliant. 😆

That’s Friedel isn’t it?
I’ll have to check

You may well be right, Nigel. It's all a bit blurry (the footage AND my memory).
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on June 15, 2023, 08:54:40 PM
			

			

				Looks like Guzan to me.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: trinityoap on June 15, 2023, 09:03:11 PM
			

			

				If I was  younger I might have had a crisis watching that.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: nigel on June 15, 2023, 09:08:04 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rodders on June 15, 2023, 08:49:09 PM
Quote from: nigel on June 15, 2023, 08:45:24 PM
Quote from: Rodders on June 15, 2023, 08:42:28 PM
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on June 15, 2023, 08:23:49 PM
That YouTube clip of Benteke’s goals was great. He had it all really, what a fantastic striker he was for us.

Guzan @4'25" on is brilliant. 😆

That’s Friedel isn’t it?
I’ll have to check

You may well be right, Nigel. It's all a bit blurry (the footage AND my memory).

After looking for the umpteenth time I think you’re right, it could very well be Guzan, Rodders.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 15, 2023, 09:21:26 PM
			

			

				Anyway, is Nico Williams coming to Villa this week or next? Seems to be a lot more chat about it today. 8)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on June 15, 2023, 09:24:57 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on June 15, 2023, 09:21:26 PM
Anyway, is Nico Williams coming to Villa this week or next? Seems to be a lot more chat about it today. 8)

I'm waiting for the man to sign
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 15, 2023, 09:34:31 PM
			

			

				The Oxlade-Chamberlain rumours refuse to dissipate.

29 and often injured, not convinced. However he has played well when available at Liverpool so maybe he is a decent squad filler on a free.

Also still consistently linked with Pau Torres, Nico Williams and Pedro Goncalves - all of which would improve us.

Not linked at all, but would really like us to sign Johnathon David.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on June 15, 2023, 09:38:44 PM
			

			

				What can we expect from Nico Williams, I’m not even sure what position he plays, would he offer competition in the wide attacking area’s?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 15, 2023, 09:45:51 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on June 15, 2023, 09:24:57 PM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on June 15, 2023, 09:21:26 PM
Anyway, is Nico Williams coming to Villa this week or next? Seems to be a lot more chat about it today. 8)

I'm waiting for the man to sign

Oh Lee. :(

Quote from: Brazilian Villain on June 12, 2023, 01:19:57 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on June 12, 2023, 11:58:52 AM
No mention of Paul_e's favourite Welshman, Nico Williams? According to William's agent, we've put a bid in.

I'm waiting for the man to be announced.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on June 15, 2023, 09:47:13 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on June 15, 2023, 09:38:44 PM
What can we expect from Nico Williams, I’m not even sure what position he plays, would he offer competition in the wide attacking area’s?

Yes, plays mostly wide right but can play on the left as well, very quick, 2 footed, great on the ball. He's still learning and will be frustrating at times but he's got huge potential. Him and Jackson would be an excellent window and we'd have an attacking group that could be together for years.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on June 15, 2023, 09:57:53 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on June 15, 2023, 09:45:51 PM
Quote from: LeeB on June 15, 2023, 09:24:57 PM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on June 15, 2023, 09:21:26 PM
Anyway, is Nico Williams coming to Villa this week or next? Seems to be a lot more chat about it today. 8)

I'm waiting for the man to sign

Oh Lee. :(

Quote from: Brazilian Villain on June 12, 2023, 01:19:57 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on June 12, 2023, 11:58:52 AM
No mention of Paul_e's favourite Welshman, Nico Williams? According to William's agent, we've put a bid in.

I'm waiting for the man to be announced.

Sakes

OK, I think he'll be a hero in no time if he signs
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on June 15, 2023, 09:58:05 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on June 15, 2023, 09:47:13 PM
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on June 15, 2023, 09:38:44 PM
What can we expect from Nico Williams, I’m not even sure what position he plays, would he offer competition in the wide attacking area’s?

Yes, plays mostly wide right but can play on the left as well, very quick, 2 footed, great on the ball. He's still learning and will be frustrating at times but he's got huge potential. Him and Jackson would be an excellent window and we'd have an attacking group that could be together for years.

Sounds promising. Let’s hope he’s got the same toughness and discipline as his brother who never missed a game through injury or suspension in summat like 5 seasons.
Jackson and Chucky sound like good players and there’s the Villareal link as well.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Hookeysmith on June 15, 2023, 10:06:23 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on June 15, 2023, 09:47:13 PM
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on June 15, 2023, 09:38:44 PM
What can we expect from Nico Williams, I’m not even sure what position he plays, would he offer competition in the wide attacking area’s?

Yes, plays mostly wide right but can play on the left as well, very quick, 2 footed, great on the ball. He's still learning and will be frustrating at times but he's got huge potential. Him and Jackson would be an excellent window and we'd have an attacking group that could be together for years.

Bailey had high expectations and sats like this also.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on June 15, 2023, 10:06:52 PM
			

			

				I have no idea why anyone  that is sane thinks that we might sign OAC.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: KevinGage on June 15, 2023, 10:07:05 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on June 15, 2023, 09:34:31 PM
The Oxlade-Chamberlain rumours refuse to dissipate.

29 and often injured, not convinced. However he has played well when available at Liverpool so maybe he is a decent squad filler on a free.


Unless it was a pay as you play with no basic at all I'd hope we'd steer well clear of that one. 

Let Luton or someone like that rehabilitate him. 

It's not circa 2014 under Lamberk. Thank Christ. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on June 15, 2023, 10:09:53 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ChicagoLion on June 15, 2023, 10:06:52 PM
I have no idea why anyone  that is sane thinks that we might sign OAC.
Really 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RamboandBruno on June 15, 2023, 10:15:01 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on June 15, 2023, 09:45:51 PM
Quote from: LeeB on June 15, 2023, 09:24:57 PM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on June 15, 2023, 09:21:26 PM
Anyway, is Nico Williams coming to Villa this week or next? Seems to be a lot more chat about it today. 8)

I'm waiting for the man to sign

Oh Lee. :(

Quote from: Brazilian Villain on June 12, 2023, 01:19:57 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on June 12, 2023, 11:58:52 AM
No mention of Paul_e's favourite Welshman, Nico Williams? According to William's agent, we've put a bid in.

I'm waiting for the man to be announced.
26 dollars in my hand
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on June 15, 2023, 10:16:15 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on June 15, 2023, 09:34:31 PM
The Oxlade-Chamberlain rumours refuse to dissipate.

29 and often injured, not convinced. However he has played well when available at Liverpool so maybe he is a decent squad filler on a free.

Also still consistently linked with Pau Torres, Nico Williams and Pedro Goncalves - all of which would improve us.

Not linked at all, but would really like us to sign Johnathon David.

The Ox ain't even PL standard these days. One last contract before he retires. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on June 15, 2023, 10:18:53 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on June 15, 2023, 12:53:50 PM
Benteke is like a love affair, okay it ended with hurt and regret, but it was awesome while it lasted and you still think back to the good times. Tammy is like an Amsterdam prostitute, we paid our 50 euros and got our fifteen minutes, but we shouldn't go all misty eyed over it or ask her to move in.

That reads like a confession 😜
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 15, 2023, 10:33:38 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on June 15, 2023, 09:58:05 PM
Quote from: paul_e on June 15, 2023, 09:47:13 PM
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on June 15, 2023, 09:38:44 PM
What can we expect from Nico Williams, I’m not even sure what position he plays, would he offer competition in the wide attacking area’s?

Yes, plays mostly wide right but can play on the left as well, very quick, 2 footed, great on the ball. He's still learning and will be frustrating at times but he's got huge potential. Him and Jackson would be an excellent window and we'd have an attacking group that could be together for years.

Sounds promising. Let’s hope he’s got the same toughness and discipline as his brother who never missed a game through injury or suspension in summat like 5 seasons.
Jackson and Chucky sound like good players and there’s the Villareal link as well.

He was only a couple of months off playing every La Liga game for seven years. That's pretty incredible.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 15, 2023, 10:55:08 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Hookeysmith on June 15, 2023, 10:06:23 PM
Quote from: paul_e on June 15, 2023, 09:47:13 PM
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on June 15, 2023, 09:38:44 PM
What can we expect from Nico Williams, I’m not even sure what position he plays, would he offer competition in the wide attacking area’s?

Yes, plays mostly wide right but can play on the left as well, very quick, 2 footed, great on the ball. He's still learning and will be frustrating at times but he's got huge potential. Him and Jackson would be an excellent window and we'd have an attacking group that could be together for years.

Bailey had high expectations and sats like this also.

You mean stats? Williams’ stats aren’t great tbh. He’s merely on the cusp of greatness. Jackson is much closer.

Anyway, we can’t just write off any speculation or players with ‘we’ve bought players who haven’t worked out before - we might do again’. It kind of goes without saying.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rodders on June 15, 2023, 11:07:26 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: nigel on June 15, 2023, 09:08:04 PM
Quote from: Rodders on June 15, 2023, 08:49:09 PM
Quote from: nigel on June 15, 2023, 08:45:24 PM
Quote from: Rodders on June 15, 2023, 08:42:28 PM
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on June 15, 2023, 08:23:49 PM
That YouTube clip of Benteke’s goals was great. He had it all really, what a fantastic striker he was for us.

Guzan @4'25" on is brilliant. 😆

That’s Friedel isn’t it?
I’ll have to check

You may well be right, Nigel. It's all a bit blurry (the footage AND my memory).

After looking for the umpteenth time I think you’re right, it could very well be Guzan, Rodders.

I simply couldn't imagine Big Brad One losing his cool like that - he took himself *soooo* seriously!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rodders on June 15, 2023, 11:09:11 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on June 15, 2023, 09:45:51 PM
Quote from: LeeB on June 15, 2023, 09:24:57 PM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on June 15, 2023, 09:21:26 PM
Anyway, is Nico Williams coming to Villa this week or next? Seems to be a lot more chat about it today. 8)

I'm waiting for the man to sign

Oh Lee. :(

Quote from: Brazilian Villain on June 12, 2023, 01:19:57 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on June 12, 2023, 11:58:52 AM
No mention of Paul_e's favourite Welshman, Nico Williams? According to William's agent, we've put a bid in.

I'm waiting for the man to be announced.

Just a broken Reed at the foot of the mighty Lee.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: danno on June 15, 2023, 11:46:16 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rodders on June 15, 2023, 11:07:26 PM
Quote from: nigel on June 15, 2023, 09:08:04 PM
Quote from: Rodders on June 15, 2023, 08:49:09 PM
Quote from: nigel on June 15, 2023, 08:45:24 PM
Quote from: Rodders on June 15, 2023, 08:42:28 PM
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on June 15, 2023, 08:23:49 PM
That YouTube clip of Benteke’s goals was great. He had it all really, what a fantastic striker he was for us.

Guzan @4'25" on is brilliant. 😆

That’s Friedel isn’t it?
I’ll have to check

You may well be right, Nigel. It's all a bit blurry (the footage AND my memory).

After looking for the umpteenth time I think you’re right, it could very well be Guzan, Rodders.

I simply couldn't imagine Big Brad One losing his cool like that - he took himself *soooo* seriously!

If it helps Friedel was gone at least a season before we signed Benteke.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on June 16, 2023, 06:53:45 AM
			

			

				Has there been anything more than the basic Emry worked with him type links to Jackson? He does look a good idea considering he can play a number of roles which will come in handy next season. Going to be very interesting how big we go in the next few weeks. The squad needs 5/6 without those already half way out the door going to cope with the amount of football. 3/4 cheapish but Emery trusted cheaper signings along the way wouldn't surprise. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on June 16, 2023, 07:24:30 AM
			

			

				The Mail via BBC transfer gossip page has us, amongst others, to a Japanese striker Keito Nakamura who I’ve never heard of, plays in Austria apparently.

BBC also report Spurs have offered £50m for Barnes AND Maddison, I’ve heard of starting off low in negotiations but that’s taking the piss. That genius Levy is at it again. Throw in a bag of Revels and I’m sure Leicester will accept.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: frank black on June 16, 2023, 08:03:29 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on June 16, 2023, 07:24:30 AM
The Mail via BBC transfer gossip page has us, amongst others, to a Japanese striker Keito Nakamura who I’ve never heard of, plays in Austria apparently.

BBC also report Spurs have offered £50m for Barnes AND Maddison, I’ve heard of starting off low in negotiations but that’s taking the piss. That genius Levy is at it again. Throw in a bag of Revels and I’m sure Leicester will accept.

Maybe throw Josh Onomah in as a makeweight?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: nigel on June 16, 2023, 08:08:01 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: danno on June 15, 2023, 11:46:16 PM
Quote from: Rodders on June 15, 2023, 11:07:26 PM
Quote from: nigel on June 15, 2023, 09:08:04 PM
Quote from: Rodders on June 15, 2023, 08:49:09 PM
Quote from: nigel on June 15, 2023, 08:45:24 PM
Quote from: Rodders on June 15, 2023, 08:42:28 PM
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on June 15, 2023, 08:23:49 PM
That YouTube clip of Benteke’s goals was great. He had it all really, what a fantastic striker he was for us.

Guzan @4'25" on is brilliant. 😆

That’s Friedel isn’t it?
I’ll have to check

You may well be right, Nigel. It's all a bit blurry (the footage AND my memory).

After looking for the umpteenth time I think you’re right, it could very well be Guzan, Rodders.

I simply couldn't imagine Big Brad One losing his cool like that - he took himself *soooo* seriously!

If it helps Friedel was gone at least a season before we signed Benteke.

Flipping heck, I didn’t realise that.
I checked some photos and the shirt sponsor tied in with Guzan.

So Rodders was on the money, even with blurry footage and all.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on June 16, 2023, 08:20:09 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: frank black on June 16, 2023, 08:03:29 AM
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on June 16, 2023, 07:24:30 AM
The Mail via BBC transfer gossip page has us, amongst others, to a Japanese striker Keito Nakamura who I’ve never heard of, plays in Austria apparently.

BBC also report Spurs have offered £50m for Barnes AND Maddison, I’ve heard of starting off low in negotiations but that’s taking the piss. That genius Levy is at it again. Throw in a bag of Revels and I’m sure Leicester will accept.

Maybe throw Josh Onomah in as a makeweight?

I reckon he might offer Ryan Mason. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: baddowvillans on June 16, 2023, 08:22:13 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on June 16, 2023, 07:24:30 AM
The Mail via BBC transfer gossip page has us, amongst others, to a Japanese striker Keito Nakamura who I’ve never heard of, plays in Austria apparently.

BBC also report Spurs have offered £50m for Barnes AND Maddison, I’ve heard of starting off low in negotiations but that’s taking the piss. That genius Levy is at it again. Throw in a bag of Revels and I’m sure Leicester will accept.


Spurs have made a bid and we are said to be "keeping and eye on developments".  That seems a long way short of "readying out warchest"!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on June 16, 2023, 08:49:24 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: baddowvillans on June 16, 2023, 08:22:13 AM
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on June 16, 2023, 07:24:30 AM
The Mail via BBC transfer gossip page has us, amongst others, to a Japanese striker Keito Nakamura who I’ve never heard of, plays in Austria apparently.

BBC also report Spurs have offered £50m for Barnes AND Maddison, I’ve heard of starting off low in negotiations but that’s taking the piss. That genius Levy is at it again. Throw in a bag of Revels and I’m sure Leicester will accept.


Spurs have made a bid and we are said to be "keeping and eye on developments".  That seems a long way short of "readying out warchest"!
Yeah, 'keeping an eye on developments' isn't even at 'preparing a bid' stage, so a long way to go before they ready their warchest.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on June 16, 2023, 08:51:48 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: algy on June 16, 2023, 08:49:24 AM
Quote from: baddowvillans on June 16, 2023, 08:22:13 AM
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on June 16, 2023, 07:24:30 AM
The Mail via BBC transfer gossip page has us, amongst others, to a Japanese striker Keito Nakamura who I’ve never heard of, plays in Austria apparently.

BBC also report Spurs have offered £50m for Barnes AND Maddison, I’ve heard of starting off low in negotiations but that’s taking the piss. That genius Levy is at it again. Throw in a bag of Revels and I’m sure Leicester will accept.


Spurs have made a bid and we are said to be "keeping and eye on developments".  That seems a long way short of "readying out warchest"!
Yeah, 'keeping an eye on developments' isn't even at 'preparing a bid' stage, so a long way to go before they ready their warchest.
Maybe we will move on to considering preparing a bid!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on June 16, 2023, 08:58:48 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: algy on June 16, 2023, 08:49:24 AM
Quote from: baddowvillans on June 16, 2023, 08:22:13 AM
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on June 16, 2023, 07:24:30 AM
The Mail via BBC transfer gossip page has us, amongst others, to a Japanese striker Keito Nakamura who I’ve never heard of, plays in Austria apparently.

BBC also report Spurs have offered £50m for Barnes AND Maddison, I’ve heard of starting off low in negotiations but that’s taking the piss. That genius Levy is at it again. Throw in a bag of Revels and I’m sure Leicester will accept.


Spurs have made a bid and we are said to be "keeping and eye on developments".  That seems a long way short of "readying out warchest"!
Yeah, 'keeping an eye on developments' isn't even at 'preparing a bid' stage, so a long way to go before they ready their warchest.

It's not serious until we start seducing them with a succulent offer.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rodders on June 16, 2023, 09:09:36 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: danno on June 15, 2023, 11:46:16 PM
Quote from: Rodders on June 15, 2023, 11:07:26 PM
Quote from: nigel on June 15, 2023, 09:08:04 PM
Quote from: Rodders on June 15, 2023, 08:49:09 PM
Quote from: nigel on June 15, 2023, 08:45:24 PM
Quote from: Rodders on June 15, 2023, 08:42:28 PM
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on June 15, 2023, 08:23:49 PM
That YouTube clip of Benteke’s goals was great. He had it all really, what a fantastic striker he was for us.

Guzan @4'25" on is brilliant. 😆

That’s Friedel isn’t it?
I’ll have to check

You may well be right, Nigel. It's all a bit blurry (the footage AND my memory).

After looking for the umpteenth time I think you’re right, it could very well be Guzan, Rodders.

I simply couldn't imagine Big Brad One losing his cool like that - he took himself *soooo* seriously!

If it helps Friedel was gone at least a season before we signed Benteke.

Blimey - he was, too. Next I'll fondly be remembering Little's chipped pass to Yorke that scored the FA Cup winner under Vengloss.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on June 16, 2023, 09:37:13 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on June 16, 2023, 08:58:48 AM
Quote from: algy on June 16, 2023, 08:49:24 AM
Quote from: baddowvillans on June 16, 2023, 08:22:13 AM
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on June 16, 2023, 07:24:30 AM
The Mail via BBC transfer gossip page has us, amongst others, to a Japanese striker Keito Nakamura who I’ve never heard of, plays in Austria apparently.

BBC also report Spurs have offered £50m for Barnes AND Maddison, I’ve heard of starting off low in negotiations but that’s taking the piss. That genius Levy is at it again. Throw in a bag of Revels and I’m sure Leicester will accept.


Spurs have made a bid and we are said to be "keeping and eye on developments".  That seems a long way short of "readying out warchest"!
Yeah, 'keeping an eye on developments' isn't even at 'preparing a bid' stage, so a long way to go before they ready their warchest.

It's not serious until we start seducing them with a succulent offer.
Or wait for Spurs to set the price then shove them aside!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: peckvillajunior on June 16, 2023, 09:51:42 AM
			

			

				Talk of Sheff Utd wanting Kyle Walker....!? Sounds mad but if it's even vaguely plausible we should be going for him for a couple of years
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 16, 2023, 10:36:30 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: peckvillajunior on June 16, 2023, 09:51:42 AM
Talk of Sheff Utd wanting Kyle Walker....!? Sounds mad but if it's even vaguely plausible we should be going for him for a couple of years
 
Wasn't that where he started? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV82EC on June 16, 2023, 10:39:08 AM
			

			

				He’s a South Yorkshire Lad isn’t he?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Vegas on June 16, 2023, 10:46:11 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV82EC on June 16, 2023, 10:39:08 AM
He’s a South Yorkshire Lad isn’t he?

Yeah, I saw an interview with him where he said he’d earned enough money and wanted to give something back to his boyhood club, and that he’d love to finish his career there.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: peckvillajunior on June 16, 2023, 10:50:30 AM
			

			

				He is, but surely he's got another couple of years in Europe/the top half left in him?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on June 16, 2023, 12:02:07 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on June 16, 2023, 07:24:30 AM

BBC also report Spurs have offered £50m for Barnes AND Maddison, I’ve heard of starting off low in negotiations but that’s taking the piss. That genius Levy is at it again. Throw in a bag of Revels and I’m sure Leicester will accept.


Oh Daniel Levy, never change... 😂🤣
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 16, 2023, 12:10:24 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pablo_picasso on June 16, 2023, 12:02:07 PM
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on June 16, 2023, 07:24:30 AM

BBC also report Spurs have offered £50m for Barnes AND Maddison, I’ve heard of starting off low in negotiations but that’s taking the piss. That genius Levy is at it again. Throw in a bag of Revels and I’m sure Leicester will accept.


Oh Daniel Levy, never change... 😂🤣

He is such a shrewd negotiator don't you know  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AlexAlexCropley on June 16, 2023, 12:40:34 PM
			

			

				Reports of Nico says no 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on June 16, 2023, 12:41:43 PM
			

			

				From a quick look online.

Nakamura, Rodrigo, Artur Melo, Hirving ‘Chucky’ Lozano, Pau Torres (again), Lanzini, Armel Bella-Kotchap, 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on June 16, 2023, 01:12:48 PM
			

			

				Looks like Williams has decided to stay in Bilbao.

As for Walker, yes he's from Sheffield, but also a bit of a knob too, not sure I'd want him.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Somniloquism on June 16, 2023, 01:20:19 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on June 16, 2023, 01:12:48 PM
Looks like Williams has decided to stay in Bilbao.

As for Walker, yes he's from Sheffield, but also a bit of a knob too, not sure I'd want him back 

FTFY
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Somniloquism on June 16, 2023, 01:21:29 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on June 16, 2023, 08:20:09 AM
Quote from: frank black on June 16, 2023, 08:03:29 AM
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on June 16, 2023, 07:24:30 AM
The Mail via BBC transfer gossip page has us, amongst others, to a Japanese striker Keito Nakamura who I’ve never heard of, plays in Austria apparently.

BBC also report Spurs have offered £50m for Barnes AND Maddison, I’ve heard of starting off low in negotiations but that’s taking the piss. That genius Levy is at it again. Throw in a bag of Revels and I’m sure Leicester will accept.

Maybe throw Josh Onomah in as a makeweight?

I reckon he might offer Ryan Mason.

Won't they then lose their cover in a key position?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 16, 2023, 01:29:14 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on June 16, 2023, 01:12:48 PM
Looks like Williams has decided to stay in Bilbao.

Disappointing if true, at this rate we'll end up with Harvey Barnes. :(
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on June 16, 2023, 01:37:26 PM
			

			

				Bear in mind this is being “reported” by someone with 2300 followers on Twitter and then retweeted. It might be true but there is so much nonsense out there right now 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on June 16, 2023, 01:37:31 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on June 16, 2023, 01:12:48 PM
Looks like Williams has decided to stay in Bilbao.

From Relevo: 

Quote
Unai Emery himself met with Nico Williams at the Río Bidasoa Hotel on Thursday of last week. A meeting in which the Basque coach tried to convince the player, as he already tried through a phone call last January.

Nico appreciates the interest of a technician as renowned as Emery. Hence why she sat with him. But he has decided to reject the proposal of the English team again. An economically very powerful offer, but that does not seduce sportingly to the extreme.

Nico's intention is to continue in Bilbao. This is how he has always transmitted it internally, although the negotiations to renew his contract continue their course. 

This does not mean that Nico will continue in Bilbao 100%. The arrival on the scene of a giant from the continent could change the course and the current situation, but that interest has not yet arrived.

Seems a little disrespectful towards Villa, but oh well.. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Axl Rose on June 16, 2023, 01:43:19 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on June 16, 2023, 01:29:14 PM
Quote from: Drummond on June 16, 2023, 01:12:48 PM
Looks like Williams has decided to stay in Bilbao.

Disappointing if true, at this rate we'll end up with Harvey Barnes. :(

It'll be ok. 

Don't know much about Nico, and he is very young. If he wants to stay with Bilbao for now, fair enough.

We'll sign him to bolster our bench for the Champions League campaign next season 😂
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 16, 2023, 01:46:29 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: villadelph on June 16, 2023, 01:37:31 PM
Quote from: Drummond on June 16, 2023, 01:12:48 PM
Looks like Williams has decided to stay in Bilbao.

From Relevo: 

Quote
Unai Emery himself met with Nico Williams at the Río Bidasoa Hotel on Thursday of last week. A meeting in which the Basque coach tried to convince the player, as he already tried through a phone call last January.

Nico appreciates the interest of a technician as renowned as Emery. Hence why she sat with him. But he has decided to reject the proposal of the English team again. An economically very powerful offer, but that does not seduce sportingly to the extreme.

Nico's intention is to continue in Bilbao. This is how he has always transmitted it internally, although the negotiations to renew his contract continue their course. 

This does not mean that Nico will continue in Bilbao 100%. The arrival on the scene of a giant from the continent could change the course and the current situation, but that interest has not yet arrived.

Seems a little disrespectful towards Villa, but oh well..

It's not really, it's what a lot of players who want Champions League football would say.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on June 16, 2023, 01:50:08 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on June 16, 2023, 01:46:29 PM
Quote from: villadelph on June 16, 2023, 01:37:31 PM
Quote from: Drummond on June 16, 2023, 01:12:48 PM
Looks like Williams has decided to stay in Bilbao.

From Relevo: 

Quote
Unai Emery himself met with Nico Williams at the Río Bidasoa Hotel on Thursday of last week. A meeting in which the Basque coach tried to convince the player, as he already tried through a phone call last January.

Nico appreciates the interest of a technician as renowned as Emery. Hence why she sat with him. But he has decided to reject the proposal of the English team again. An economically very powerful offer, but that does not seduce sportingly to the extreme.

Nico's intention is to continue in Bilbao. This is how he has always transmitted it internally, although the negotiations to renew his contract continue their course. 

This does not mean that Nico will continue in Bilbao 100%. The arrival on the scene of a giant from the continent could change the course and the current situation, but that interest has not yet arrived.

Seems a little disrespectful towards Villa, but oh well..

It's not really, it's what a lot of players who want Champions League football would say.

I'm not sure if that logic flows. He's at Bilbao, who are no where near UCL and he's on 38k/week. Does that mean Spurs, Liverpool and Chelsea can't recruit him? He's 20, not running out of time at 30. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 16, 2023, 01:58:51 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: villadelph on June 16, 2023, 01:50:08 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on June 16, 2023, 01:46:29 PM
Quote from: villadelph on June 16, 2023, 01:37:31 PM
Quote from: Drummond on June 16, 2023, 01:12:48 PM
Looks like Williams has decided to stay in Bilbao.

From Relevo: 

Quote
Unai Emery himself met with Nico Williams at the Río Bidasoa Hotel on Thursday of last week. A meeting in which the Basque coach tried to convince the player, as he already tried through a phone call last January.

Nico appreciates the interest of a technician as renowned as Emery. Hence why she sat with him. But he has decided to reject the proposal of the English team again. An economically very powerful offer, but that does not seduce sportingly to the extreme.

Nico's intention is to continue in Bilbao. This is how he has always transmitted it internally, although the negotiations to renew his contract continue their course. 

This does not mean that Nico will continue in Bilbao 100%. The arrival on the scene of a giant from the continent could change the course and the current situation, but that interest has not yet arrived.

Seems a little disrespectful towards Villa, but oh well..

It's not really, it's what a lot of players who want Champions League football would say.

I'm not sure if that logic flows. He's at Bilbao, who are no where near UCL and he's on 38k/week. Does that mean Spurs, Liverpool and Chelsea can't recruit him? He's 20, not running out of time at 30.

Well I'd argue Liverpool and Chelsea are much closer to 'European giants' than we currently are. Do you think a player thinks we are much more likely to be playing at the top table than those 2? Spurs obviously not. Maybe his age makes him think he isn't in a rush and he can wait for a 'European giant'? He's enjoying his football with his older brother, maybe there needs to be more of a pull than just an extra 50k a week? Who knows but I certainly didn't feel disrespected.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on June 16, 2023, 02:02:08 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: villadelph on June 16, 2023, 01:37:31 PM
Quote from: Drummond on June 16, 2023, 01:12:48 PM
Looks like Williams has decided to stay in Bilbao.

From Relevo: 

Quote
Unai Emery himself met with Nico Williams at the Río Bidasoa Hotel on Thursday of last week. A meeting in which the Basque coach tried to convince the player, as he already tried through a phone call last January.

Nico appreciates the interest of a technician as renowned as Emery. Hence why she sat with him. But he has decided to reject the proposal of the English team again. An economically very powerful offer, but that does not seduce sportingly to the extreme.

Nico's intention is to continue in Bilbao. This is how he has always transmitted it internally, although the negotiations to renew his contract continue their course. 

This does not mean that Nico will continue in Bilbao 100%. The arrival on the scene of a giant from the continent could change the course and the current situation, but that interest has not yet arrived.

Seems a little disrespectful towards Villa, but oh well..

I actually respect his loyalty to Bilbao.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Duncan Shaw on June 16, 2023, 02:05:45 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pablo_picasso on June 16, 2023, 02:02:08 PM
Quote from: villadelph on June 16, 2023, 01:37:31 PM
Quote from: Drummond on June 16, 2023, 01:12:48 PM
Looks like Williams has decided to stay in Bilbao.

From Relevo: 

Quote
Unai Emery himself met with Nico Williams at the Río Bidasoa Hotel on Thursday of last week. A meeting in which the Basque coach tried to convince the player, as he already tried through a phone call last January.

Nico appreciates the interest of a technician as renowned as Emery. Hence why she sat with him. But he has decided to reject the proposal of the English team again. An economically very powerful offer, but that does not seduce sportingly to the extreme.

Nico's intention is to continue in Bilbao. This is how he has always transmitted it internally, although the negotiations to renew his contract continue their course. 

This does not mean that Nico will continue in Bilbao 100%. The arrival on the scene of a giant from the continent could change the course and the current situation, but that interest has not yet arrived.

Seems a little disrespectful towards Villa, but oh well..

I actually respect his loyalty to Bilbao.
So do I, and to his brother who is also there.  Until he signs for Citeh, then he's a c^&%
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: j66acd on June 16, 2023, 02:12:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: villadelph on June 16, 2023, 01:37:31 PM
Quote from: Drummond on June 16, 2023, 01:12:48 PM
Looks like Williams has decided to stay in Bilbao.

From Relevo: 

Quote
Unai Emery himself met with Nico Williams at the Río Bidasoa Hotel on Thursday of last week. A meeting in which the Basque coach tried to convince the player, as he already tried through a phone call last January.

Nico appreciates the interest of a technician as renowned as Emery. Hence why she sat with him. But he has decided to reject the proposal of the English team again. An economically very powerful offer, but that does not seduce sportingly to the extreme.

Nico's intention is to continue in Bilbao. This is how he has always transmitted it internally, although the negotiations to renew his contract continue their course. 

This does not mean that Nico will continue in Bilbao 100%. The arrival on the scene of a giant from the continent could change the course and the current situation, but that interest has not yet arrived.

Seems a little disrespectful towards Villa, but oh well.. 

He needs to Google Milot Rashica, where is he now?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on June 16, 2023, 02:59:40 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Duncan Shaw on June 16, 2023, 02:05:45 PM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on June 16, 2023, 02:02:08 PM
Quote from: villadelph on June 16, 2023, 01:37:31 PM
Quote from: Drummond on June 16, 2023, 01:12:48 PM
Looks like Williams has decided to stay in Bilbao.

From Relevo: 

Quote
Unai Emery himself met with Nico Williams at the Río Bidasoa Hotel on Thursday of last week. A meeting in which the Basque coach tried to convince the player, as he already tried through a phone call last January.

Nico appreciates the interest of a technician as renowned as Emery. Hence why she sat with him. But he has decided to reject the proposal of the English team again. An economically very powerful offer, but that does not seduce sportingly to the extreme.

Nico's intention is to continue in Bilbao. This is how he has always transmitted it internally, although the negotiations to renew his contract continue their course. 

This does not mean that Nico will continue in Bilbao 100%. The arrival on the scene of a giant from the continent could change the course and the current situation, but that interest has not yet arrived.

Seems a little disrespectful towards Villa, but oh well..

I actually respect his loyalty to Bilbao.
So do I, and to his brother who is also there.  Until he signs for Citeh, then he's a c^&%

This.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 16, 2023, 03:18:22 PM
			

			

				It’s a shame as he’s one I’d have liked to see us sign and thought we’d probably have a decent chance.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 16, 2023, 05:58:10 PM
			

			

				If fellow Basque Emery couldn't convince him to leave, I doubt anybody else will. Maybe he just feels he's not quite ready or he was disappointed our bull ring was a shopping centre and the only bull in the city is a statue. Brum may be many things but Pamplona it ain't.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on June 16, 2023, 06:06:37 PM
			

			

				Could just be that a 20 year old kid doesn't feel ready to move to a new country. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on June 16, 2023, 06:08:15 PM
			

			

				Guess it's time to pip Milan to Chukwueze.. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on June 16, 2023, 06:09:40 PM
			

			

				Or Pedro Gonçalves. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: darren woolley on June 16, 2023, 06:50:14 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on June 16, 2023, 06:09:40 PM
Or Pedro Gonçalves. 

Yes please.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 16, 2023, 07:08:00 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on June 16, 2023, 06:09:40 PM
Or Pedro Gonçalves. 

Wiki said he got 46 goals in 92 appearances for Sporting.

That can't be right, for an attacking midfielder?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 16, 2023, 07:11:45 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 16, 2023, 07:08:00 PM
Quote from: OCD on June 16, 2023, 06:09:40 PM
Or Pedro Gonçalves. 

Wiki said he got 46 goals in 92 appearances for Sporting.

That can't be right, for an attacking midfielder?

Flashscore says the same. Why isn't everyone after him?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on June 16, 2023, 08:16:07 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on June 16, 2023, 07:11:45 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 16, 2023, 07:08:00 PM
Quote from: OCD on June 16, 2023, 06:09:40 PM
Or Pedro Gonçalves. 

Wiki said he got 46 goals in 92 appearances for Sporting.

That can't be right, for an attacking midfielder?

Flashscore says the same. Why isn't everyone after him?

Doesn't he have a massive buy-out clause?  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 16, 2023, 08:29:24 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 16, 2023, 07:08:00 PM
Quote from: OCD on June 16, 2023, 06:09:40 PM
Or Pedro Gonçalves. 

Wiki said he got 46 goals in 92 appearances for Sporting.

That can't be right, for an attacking midfielder?
Most are probably penalties. He rarely misses. His goal against Arsenal Petrov style was a demonstration of what he can do but it was the exception rather than the rule.
Sporting president yesterday when talking about the squad only mentioned that they were happy to have now 90% of his ownership. He also mentioned that no first teamers would be sold but we all know how that works.

It's a lot of money that comes with a certain  risk. One thing is for certain, he's not the same player the Dingles let go.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ldavfc4eva on June 16, 2023, 09:12:53 PM
			

			

				Would quite like Walker, been there and done it all. Still has pace and quality and I think a few years at the top left in him.

Ideal competition for Cash, could help him progress to the next level whilst giving us a real quality option at RB. 

Not sure how much he is worth though, £12-15m? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on June 16, 2023, 09:12:56 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on June 16, 2023, 08:29:24 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 16, 2023, 07:08:00 PM
Quote from: OCD on June 16, 2023, 06:09:40 PM
Or Pedro Gonçalves. 

Wiki said he got 46 goals in 92 appearances for Sporting.

That can't be right, for an attacking midfielder?
Most are probably penalties. He rarely misses. His goal against Arsenal Petrov style was a demonstration of what he can do but it was the exception rather than the rule.
Sporting president yesterday when talking about the squad only mentioned that they were happy to have now 90% of his ownership. He also mentioned that no first teamers would be sold but we all know how that works.

It's a lot of money that comes with a certain  risk. One thing is for certain, he's not the same player the Dingles let go.

only 9 penalties in that apparently.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: lovejoy on June 16, 2023, 09:13:19 PM
			

			

				The bond between Bilbao and the players is trying given the Basque identity.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on June 16, 2023, 10:07:24 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: lovejoy on June 16, 2023, 09:13:19 PM
The bond between Bilbao and the players is trying given the Basque identity.
To be honest, whilst if love us to sign the best players we can ... if that Nico Williams lad wants to stay at Athletic Bilbao, fair play to him. If I was Basque, I'd want to play for them over & above anyone else. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 16, 2023, 11:45:37 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on June 16, 2023, 09:12:56 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on June 16, 2023, 08:29:24 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 16, 2023, 07:08:00 PM
Quote from: OCD on June 16, 2023, 06:09:40 PM
Or Pedro Gonçalves. 

Wiki said he got 46 goals in 92 appearances for Sporting.

That can't be right, for an attacking midfielder?
Most are probably penalties. He rarely misses. His goal against Arsenal Petrov style was a demonstration of what he can do but it was the exception rather than the rule.
Sporting president yesterday when talking about the squad only mentioned that they were happy to have now 90% of his ownership. He also mentioned that no first teamers would be sold but we all know how that works.

It's a lot of money that comes with a certain  risk. One thing is for certain, he's not the same player the Dingles let go.

only 9 penalties in that apparently.

Wow! I'm impressed. It just seems Sporting have tonnes of penalties so I assumed he'd scored them all. Looking back on last season he does have a habit of turning up in the right place right time but to expect his Arsenal goal to be the norm is asking a bit too much. 
I like him,  I just have doubts we'll expect too much and he won't adapt immediately.  Filling the number 10 spot is so important this could be a risk.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on June 17, 2023, 06:36:21 AM
			

			

				Mail reporting that Chelsea have agreed terms for Nicholas Jackson.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: thick_mike on June 17, 2023, 09:33:04 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 16, 2023, 07:08:00 PM
Quote from: OCD on June 16, 2023, 06:09:40 PM
Or Pedro Gonçalves. 

Wiki said he got 46 goals in 92 appearances for Sporting.

That can't be right, for an attacking midfielder?

It would be like having prime David Platt back.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Yeltzer on June 17, 2023, 09:57:07 AM
			

			

				The Athletic reporting that ManYoo are sniffing round Ollie Watkins. Dream on lads, no way NSWE sell the family silver these days
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: jwarry on June 17, 2023, 10:27:00 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: PeterWithe on June 17, 2023, 06:36:21 AM
Mail reporting that Chelsea have agreed terms for Nicholas Jackson.

Fabrizio Romano saying they are activating his release clause €35m but there are three other clubs interested 

“Chelsea have decided to activate the release clause for Nicolas Jackson!
Chelsea are set to pay €35m, discussing installments.
3 more clubs open to pay the clause; so Chelsea will be fast as player wants PL move.
Contract will be long, more than 5 year.
Here we go soon.”
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dicedlam on June 17, 2023, 10:33:17 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: jwarry on June 17, 2023, 10:27:00 AM
Quote from: PeterWithe on June 17, 2023, 06:36:21 AM
Mail reporting that Chelsea have agreed terms for Nicholas Jackson.

Fabrizio Romano saying they are activating his release clause €35m but there are three other clubs interested 

“Chelsea have decided to activate the release clause for Nicolas Jackson!
Chelsea are set to pay €35m, discussing installments.
3 more clubs open to pay the clause; so Chelsea will be fast as player wants PL move.
Contract will be long, more than 5 year.
Here we go soon.”

Hasn't Watkins not long signed a new contract? I can't see how we would offer him a new contract with an activation cause of only two million more than what we paid for him.
If there was an activation clause, I would have thought it would have been something around the 50 million mark.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: jwarry on June 17, 2023, 10:42:52 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: dicedlam on June 17, 2023, 10:33:17 AM
Quote from: jwarry on June 17, 2023, 10:27:00 AM
Quote from: PeterWithe on June 17, 2023, 06:36:21 AM
Mail reporting that Chelsea have agreed terms for Nicholas Jackson.

Fabrizio Romano saying they are activating his release clause €35m but there are three other clubs interested 

“Chelsea have decided to activate the release clause for Nicolas Jackson!
Chelsea are set to pay €35m, discussing installments.
3 more clubs open to pay the clause; so Chelsea will be fast as player wants PL move.
Contract will be long, more than 5 year.
Here we go soon.”

Hasn't Watkins not long signed a new contract? I can't see how we would offer him a new contract with an activation cause of only two million more than what we paid for him.
If there was an activation clause, I would have thought it would have been something around the 50 million mark.

I think you’ve got a bit confused Dicedlam. I was talking about Jackson
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on June 17, 2023, 10:42:54 AM
			

			

				He hasn’t signed anything yet has he?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dicedlam on June 17, 2023, 10:45:01 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: jwarry on June 17, 2023, 10:42:52 AM
Quote from: dicedlam on June 17, 2023, 10:33:17 AM
Quote from: jwarry on June 17, 2023, 10:27:00 AM
Quote from: PeterWithe on June 17, 2023, 06:36:21 AM
Mail reporting that Chelsea have agreed terms for Nicholas Jackson.

Fabrizio Romano saying they are activating his release clause €35m but there are three other clubs interested 

“Chelsea have decided to activate the release clause for Nicolas Jackson!
Chelsea are set to pay €35m, discussing installments.
3 more clubs open to pay the clause; so Chelsea will be fast as player wants PL move.
Contract will be long, more than 5 year.
Here we go soon.”

Hasn't Watkins not long signed a new contract? I can't see how we would offer him a new contract with an activation cause of only two million more than what we paid for him.
If there was an activation clause, I would have thought it would have been something around the 50 million mark.

I think you’ve got a bit confused Dicedlam. I was talking about Jackson

Haha! easily  done these days!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on June 17, 2023, 11:15:10 AM
			

			

				I'm sorry Miss Jackson.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on June 17, 2023, 11:34:26 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on June 17, 2023, 11:15:10 AM
I'm sorry Miss Jackson.

That’s what my internal jukebox slipped into as well. Whoooooo. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 17, 2023, 12:08:25 PM
			

			

				Would be great If all the teams decided not to buy any Chelsea players and leave them with a bloated squad and lots of players that cant play on big wages ,  they should not be helping them unload their crap.


It's a joke what they keep doing , they need to be investigated .





			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Lsvilla on June 17, 2023, 12:48:23 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on June 17, 2023, 12:08:25 PM
Would be great If all the teams decided not to buy any Chelsea players and leave them with a bloated squad and lots of players that cant play on big wages ,  they should not be helping them unload their crap.


It's a joke what they keep doing , they need to be investigated .





I think this would actually be more effective than any FFP measures that probably won't be implemented anyway. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: clash city rocker on June 17, 2023, 01:18:05 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Lsvilla on June 17, 2023, 12:48:23 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on June 17, 2023, 12:08:25 PM
Would be great If all the teams decided not to buy any Chelsea players and leave them with a bloated squad and lots of players that cant play on big wages ,  they should not be helping them unload their crap.


It's a joke what they keep doing , they need to be investigated .





I think this would actually be more effective than any FFP measures that probably won't be implemented anyway.

So does FFP only apply to certain clubs. It's a serious question. Some clubs  seem to be worried by it and others just don't seem to give a shit.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 17, 2023, 01:28:54 PM
			

			

				I think fans are far more worried about FFP than are the clubs in the premier league. Unlike in the lower divisions, where I think there's a general acceptance amongst supporters and clubs alike that everybody's permanently skint and everything is about balancing the books.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 17, 2023, 02:24:28 PM
			

			

				Limit squads , limit loans and bloody limit wages ,  it is absolutely ridiculous the amount of money going out of the game that could be redirected into grass roots and sensible ticket pricing 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: clash city rocker on June 17, 2023, 02:31:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on June 17, 2023, 02:24:28 PM
Limit squads , limit loans and bloody limit wages ,  it is absolutely ridiculous the amount of money going out of the game that could be redirected into grass roots and sensible ticket pricing

You got more chance of seeing Lord Lucan than you have of that 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on June 17, 2023, 02:34:28 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: clash city rocker on June 17, 2023, 01:18:05 PM
Quote from: Lsvilla on June 17, 2023, 12:48:23 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on June 17, 2023, 12:08:25 PM
Would be great If all the teams decided not to buy any Chelsea players and leave them with a bloated squad and lots of players that cant play on big wages ,  they should not be helping them unload their crap.


It's a joke what they keep doing , they need to be investigated .

I think this would actually be more effective than any FFP measures that probably won't be implemented anyway.

So does FFP only apply to certain clubs. It's a serious question. Some clubs  seem to be worried by it and others just don't seem to give a shit.


FFP is purely there so that clubs like Villa & Newcastle cannot use the same loopholes that Chelsea & Manchester City did to gain their huge advantage over the rest of the footballing pyramid. 

Its closing the drawer bridge.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 17, 2023, 02:38:43 PM
			

			

				Bit quick to dismiss Newcastle there, I reckon. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on June 17, 2023, 02:45:16 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on June 17, 2023, 02:24:28 PM
Limit squads , limit loans and bloody limit wages ,  it is absolutely ridiculous the amount of money going out of the game that could be redirected into grass roots and sensible ticket pricing

I imagine most of the Championship thought the same when that massive, recently relegated club bought their way out of it a few years ago.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on June 17, 2023, 02:45:48 PM
			

			

				The Sun are linking us to 21 year old Portuguese international Goncalo Ramos from Benfica for €80m.

Its a tenuous link because by the sounds of their "reporting", that agent Mendes is trying to get a bidding war going for the kid. 

But its a link, so thought I would mention it.


Quote from: Lastfootstamper on June 17, 2023, 02:38:43 PM
Bit quick to dismiss Newcastle there, I reckon.

Despite the Champions League money, they still have to play by the same FFP farcical rules as we do...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on June 17, 2023, 03:20:27 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Lastfootstamper on June 17, 2023, 02:38:43 PM
Bit quick to dismiss Newcastle there, I reckon.

Newcastle will be allowed in to the cartel because Prem League and the so called big clubs want their hands on that Saudi filthy money
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 17, 2023, 03:55:13 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pablo_picasso on June 17, 2023, 02:45:48 PM
The Sun are linking us to 21 year old Portuguese international Goncalo Ramos from Benfica for €80m.

Its a tenuous link because by the sounds of their "reporting", that agent Mendes is trying to get a bidding war going for the kid. 

But its a link, so thought I would mention it.

Sell Watkins for £60m, buy Ramos for £80m and we've got a great upgrade for £20m.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 17, 2023, 04:01:56 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Gareth on June 17, 2023, 03:20:27 PM
Quote from: Lastfootstamper on June 17, 2023, 02:38:43 PM
Bit quick to dismiss Newcastle there, I reckon.

Newcastle will be allowed in to the cartel because Prem League and the so called big clubs want their hands on that Saudi filthy money
 

Four sponsorship deals already with PIF companies suggest you could be right. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: avfcdale on June 17, 2023, 04:21:09 PM
			

			

				Would love to get Maitland Niles on a free
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smithy on June 17, 2023, 04:31:06 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Lastfootstamper on June 17, 2023, 04:01:56 PM
Quote from: Gareth on June 17, 2023, 03:20:27 PM
Quote from: Lastfootstamper on June 17, 2023, 02:38:43 PM
Bit quick to dismiss Newcastle there, I reckon.

Newcastle will be allowed in to the cartel because Prem League and the so called big clubs want their hands on that Saudi filthy money
 

Four sponsorship deals already with PIF companies suggest you could be right. 

They can have as many PIF sponsorship deals as they like, there are no rules against that.  What there ARE rules against is inflating the amount they get paid, and ensuring any deals represent fair market value.  This is what I believe Man City are accused of.

For example, I think Newcastle's new shirt sponsor is the PIF-owned Saudi Sports event firm Sela. For £25m a year. That's probably a little high, given it's replacing one for £6m a year, but given they're in the Champions League now, and Spurs and Arsenal get £40m for theirs, it's probably not going to raise any eyebrows with regards to FFP.   

If they suddenly announce something like a "corner flag sponsor" for £50m a year, it probably would, and this is what Man City and Chelsea were allowed to get away with before they tightened the regulations.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smithy on June 17, 2023, 04:33:36 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: avfcdale on June 17, 2023, 04:21:09 PM
Would love to get Maitland Niles on a free

If we're looking to bulk up the squad, then maybe - he's tidy enough - but I'd prefer we spent this summer trying to buy players who will become part of the first 11, and see current first choices become squad players.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 17, 2023, 04:34:58 PM
			

			

				I'm wondering with our Spanish connections if Valentín Castellanos is on our radar. Could be an interesting player with a buy-out clause of just €15m. He's from Argentina, made his name in the MSL for New York, who sent him out on loan last season to newly promoted Girona, who finished 10th last season. He scored 14 goals in 37 goals including 4 against Real Madrid.

The reason he came to my attention is Benfica are after him to replace Ramos.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 17, 2023, 06:06:16 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on June 17, 2023, 04:34:58 PM
I'm wondering with our Spanish connections if Valentín Castellanos is on our radar. 

For a moment, I thought I was in Percy's Mob thread.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Holte L2 on June 17, 2023, 07:34:37 PM
			

			

				I think we should go for Brenan Johnson. I think considering his age, Emery would work wonders with him.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: stubbsyandy on June 17, 2023, 07:54:22 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on June 17, 2023, 03:55:13 PM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on June 17, 2023, 02:45:48 PM
The Sun are linking us to 21 year old Portuguese international Goncalo Ramos from Benfica for €80m.

Its a tenuous link because by the sounds of their "reporting", that agent Mendes is trying to get a bidding war going for the kid. 

But its a link, so thought I would mention it.

Sell Watkins for £60m, buy Ramos for £80m and we've got a great upgrade for £20m.

Don’t be daft
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 17, 2023, 07:56:55 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: stubbsyandy on June 17, 2023, 07:54:22 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on June 17, 2023, 03:55:13 PM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on June 17, 2023, 02:45:48 PM
The Sun are linking us to 21 year old Portuguese international Goncalo Ramos from Benfica for €80m.

Its a tenuous link because by the sounds of their "reporting", that agent Mendes is trying to get a bidding war going for the kid. 

But its a link, so thought I would mention it.

Sell Watkins for £60m, buy Ramos for £80m and we've got a great upgrade for £20m.

Don’t be daft

Sorry?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 17, 2023, 07:58:56 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on June 17, 2023, 06:06:16 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on June 17, 2023, 04:34:58 PM
I'm wondering with our Spanish connections if Valentín Castellanos is on our radar. 

For a moment, I thought I was in Percy's Mob thread.

Could be, he's known on the streets as 'Taty Castellanos'. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 17, 2023, 08:05:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Holte L2 on June 17, 2023, 07:34:37 PM
I think we should go for Brenan Johnson. I think considering his age, Emery would work wonders with him.

He would cost way too much for it to be worth it.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 17, 2023, 08:09:06 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on June 17, 2023, 08:05:17 PM
Quote from: Holte L2 on June 17, 2023, 07:34:37 PM
I think we should go for Brenan Johnson. I think considering his age, Emery would work wonders with him.

He would cost way too much for it to be worth it.

Agree - he looks promising but not enough to merit what he’d cost us. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV82EC on June 17, 2023, 09:36:24 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on June 17, 2023, 04:34:58 PM
I'm wondering with our Spanish connections if Valentín Castellanos is on our radar. Could be an interesting player with a buy-out clause of just €15m. He's from Argentina, made his name in the MSL for New York, who sent him out on loan last season to newly promoted Girona, who finished 10th last season. He scored 14 goals in 37 goals including 4 against Real Madrid.

The reason he came to my attention is Benfica are after him to replace Ramos.

Aren’t New York and Girona part of Cit£h Football group?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on June 17, 2023, 11:14:49 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smithy on June 17, 2023, 04:33:36 PM
Quote from: avfcdale on June 17, 2023, 04:21:09 PM
Would love to get Maitland Niles on a free

If we're looking to bulk up the squad, then maybe - he's tidy enough - but I'd prefer we spent this summer trying to buy players who will become part of the first 11, and see current first choices become squad players.

Isn't he Saints/Fulham standard?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 18, 2023, 12:00:54 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV82EC on June 17, 2023, 09:36:24 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on June 17, 2023, 04:34:58 PM
I'm wondering with our Spanish connections if Valentín Castellanos is on our radar. Could be an interesting player with a buy-out clause of just €15m. He's from Argentina, made his name in the MSL for New York, who sent him out on loan last season to newly promoted Girona, who finished 10th last season. He scored 14 goals in 37 goals including 4 against Real Madrid.

The reason he came to my attention is Benfica are after him to replace Ramos.

Aren’t New York and Girona part of Cit£h Football group?

As usual you're well informed; New York (80%) and Girona (47%).
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Axl Rose on June 18, 2023, 01:53:43 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on June 18, 2023, 12:00:54 AM
Quote from: AV82EC on June 17, 2023, 09:36:24 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on June 17, 2023, 04:34:58 PM
I'm wondering with our Spanish connections if Valentín Castellanos is on our radar. Could be an interesting player with a buy-out clause of just €15m. He's from Argentina, made his name in the MSL for New York, who sent him out on loan last season to newly promoted Girona, who finished 10th last season. He scored 14 goals in 37 goals including 4 against Real Madrid.

The reason he came to my attention is Benfica are after him to replace Ramos.

Aren’t New York and Girona part of Cit£h Football group?

As usual you're well informed; New York (80%) and Girona (47%).

I think Marinos over here are, too.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 18, 2023, 03:36:12 AM
			

			

				They are.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Axl Rose on June 18, 2023, 04:40:01 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on June 18, 2023, 03:36:12 AM
They are.

I feel less guilty now about thinking they're a bunch of wankers. Most of their fans are.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: KevinGage on June 18, 2023, 11:10:12 AM
			

			

				Brennan Johnson in, according to that David Ornstein guy (bloke who broke the Tielemans deal). 

Edit: Looks like it's a fake account. Twitter shits at it again. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on June 18, 2023, 11:18:20 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: KevinGage on June 18, 2023, 11:10:12 AM
Brennan Johnson in, according to the David Ornstein (bloke who broke the Tielemans deal). 

Apparently it's a fake account.  Good player. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: nigel on June 18, 2023, 11:22:27 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on June 18, 2023, 11:18:20 AM
Quote from: KevinGage on June 18, 2023, 11:10:12 AM
Brennan Johnson in, according to the David Ornstein (bloke who broke the Tielemans deal). 

Apparently it's a fake account.  Good player.

£30m + though
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on June 18, 2023, 12:43:43 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: nigel on June 18, 2023, 11:22:27 AM
Quote from: Steve67 on June 18, 2023, 11:18:20 AM
Quote from: KevinGage on June 18, 2023, 11:10:12 AM
Brennan Johnson in, according to the David Ornstein (bloke who broke the Tielemans deal). 

Apparently it's a fake account.  Good player.

£30m + though

Not a massive amount by today’s standard.  Only 22 as well, so plenty of room for improvement and can play both centrally and wide.

Suppose the only question would be is he good enough now to be genuine competition for Watkins and deputise for him if he’s out.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on June 18, 2023, 01:18:20 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: tomd2103 on June 18, 2023, 12:43:43 PM

Not a massive amount by today’s standard.  Only 22 as well, so plenty of room for improvement and can play both centrally and wide.

Suppose the only question would be is he good enough now to be genuine competition for Watkins and deputise for him if he’s out.


I imagine be would be more competition for the likes of Bailey...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 18, 2023, 01:23:46 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: nigel on June 18, 2023, 11:22:27 AM
Quote from: Steve67 on June 18, 2023, 11:18:20 AM
Quote from: KevinGage on June 18, 2023, 11:10:12 AM
Brennan Johnson in, according to the David Ornstein (bloke who broke the Tielemans deal). 

Apparently it's a fake account.  Good player.

£30m + though

Apparently Brentford offered £30m which Forest thought "derisory and insulting". They're saying £50m+ might open talks but I'm guessing they'd settle for £40m with add-ons. It's a hell of a lot of money for a kid who has potential. I can't see us going there at that price.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on June 18, 2023, 01:28:15 PM
			

			

				Forest supposedly have FFP issues as well. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: frank black on June 18, 2023, 02:40:35 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on June 18, 2023, 01:23:46 PM
Quote from: nigel on June 18, 2023, 11:22:27 AM
Quote from: Steve67 on June 18, 2023, 11:18:20 AM
Quote from: KevinGage on June 18, 2023, 11:10:12 AM
Brennan Johnson in, according to the David Ornstein (bloke who broke the Tielemans deal). 

Apparently it's a fake account.  Good player.

£30m + though

Apparently Brentford offered £30m which Forest thought "derisory and insulting". They're saying £50m+ might open talks but I'm guessing they'd settle for £40m with add-ons. It's a hell of a lot of money for a kid who has potential. I can't see us going there at that price.

As mentioned It’s fake news from a spoof account 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: nigel on June 18, 2023, 04:23:53 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on June 18, 2023, 01:28:15 PM
Forest supposedly have FFP issues as well.

Brief chat with a Forest fan on Facebook, he reckons not.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on June 18, 2023, 04:28:38 PM
			

			

				Why would anyone fake the account of someone only a handful of people have ever heard of?


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Hookeysmith on June 18, 2023, 05:33:09 PM
			

			

				Wolves agree sale of Neves to Saudi team for £47m.

I know superstars the end of thier careers have started going there for huge financial paydays but this is a very good player in his pomp at 26.

Madness  or sign of things to come?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: N'ZMAV on June 18, 2023, 05:34:54 PM
			

			

				he clearly prefers money to playing at the top of his game. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AlexAlexCropley on June 18, 2023, 05:51:50 PM
			

			

				Never trust a top-knot
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: N'ZMAV on June 18, 2023, 06:03:47 PM
			

			

				the bloke is a balloon knot. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 18, 2023, 06:25:13 PM
			

			

				If they start chucking silly money at 26 year olds, who's to say they can't make it a competitive league? Will be interesting to look back in 10 years time and by interesting I mean horrific. I know we look at what happened in China but did they have government level backing?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on June 18, 2023, 06:27:30 PM
			

			

				The scale of it is too big to ever have a top league.

Its just not gonna happen unless they buy FIFA, UEFA and CONMEBOL and then move everything over. Which obviously isn't gonna happen.


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 18, 2023, 06:41:08 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Hookeysmith on June 18, 2023, 05:33:09 PM
Wolves agree sale of Neves to Saudi team for £47m.

I don’t know how anyone can want to play in that horrific, fun-free, depressing, medieval hell hole. 

Bet he’s glad he’s leaving it. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RamboandBruno on June 18, 2023, 06:42:14 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Hookeysmith on June 18, 2023, 05:33:09 PM
Wolves agree sale of Neves to Saudi team for £47m.

I know superstars the end of thier careers have started going there for huge financial paydays but this is a very good player in his pomp at 26.

Madness  or sign of things to come?
I was really surprised when i saw this story earlier. I think Neves is a really good player, already a millionaire, why would sacrifice the best years of your career ahead when you are already financially secure for life. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on June 18, 2023, 06:44:24 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: RamboandBruno on June 18, 2023, 06:42:14 PM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on June 18, 2023, 05:33:09 PM
Wolves agree sale of Neves to Saudi team for £47m.

I know superstars the end of thier careers have started going there for huge financial paydays but this is a very good player in his pomp at 26.

Madness  or sign of things to come?
I was really surprised when i saw this story earlier. I think Neves is a really good player, already a millionaire, why would sacrifice the best years of your career ahead when you are already financially secure for life.

Maybe he feels public executions are what’s missing from his almost perfect life.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smithy on June 18, 2023, 07:16:09 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: RamboandBruno on June 18, 2023, 06:42:14 PM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on June 18, 2023, 05:33:09 PM
Wolves agree sale of Neves to Saudi team for £47m.

I know superstars the end of thier careers have started going there for huge financial paydays but this is a very good player in his pomp at 26.

Madness  or sign of things to come?
I was really surprised when i saw this story earlier. I think Neves is a really good player, already a millionaire, why would sacrifice the best years of your career ahead when you are already financially secure for life. 

I'd be interested to know the length of his Saudi contract.  If it's 4 years, he's basically retiring.  But if it's 2-years, he'll still only be 28 and about £50m richer, so maybe he's thinking make the money now, and then move for free and have 3-4 years of trying for trophies that actually mean something after that?  It's a big risk, the football world could move on in that time.  It's also possible he's one of those players that sees it as a job, nothing more, and he's just out to make as much cash as he can before quitting to play golf or something?

I also wonder if he'll just become the Saudi version of Oscar, the Brazilian who went to China from Chelsea? One of the richest players on the planet now, but effectively retired from competitive football at 26.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on June 18, 2023, 07:18:53 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 18, 2023, 06:41:08 PM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on June 18, 2023, 05:33:09 PM
Wolves agree sale of Neves to Saudi team for £47m.

I don’t know how anyone can want to play in that horrific, fun-free, depressing, medieval hell hole. 

Bet he’s glad he’s leaving it. 

Ace
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 18, 2023, 07:21:58 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 18, 2023, 06:41:08 PM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on June 18, 2023, 05:33:09 PM
Wolves agree sale of Neves to Saudi team for £47m.

I don’t know how anyone can want to play in that horrific, fun-free, depressing, medieval hell hole. 

Bet he’s glad he’s leaving it.

Chortle.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dave shelley on June 18, 2023, 07:52:39 PM
			

			

				Anyhoo, have we signed anyone today?  If not Monchi out, too much lollygagging.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Grande Pablo on June 18, 2023, 07:53:10 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on June 18, 2023, 06:44:24 PM
Quote from: RamboandBruno on June 18, 2023, 06:42:14 PM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on June 18, 2023, 05:33:09 PM
Wolves agree sale of Neves to Saudi team for £47m.

I know superstars the end of thier careers have started going there for huge financial paydays but this is a very good player in his pomp at 26.

Madness  or sign of things to come?
I was really surprised when i saw this story earlier. I think Neves is a really good player, already a millionaire, why would sacrifice the best years of your career ahead when you are already financially secure for life.

Maybe he feels public executions are what’s missing from his almost perfect life.

He currently lives in Wolverhampton.  Same difference.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: N'ZMAV on June 18, 2023, 07:54:45 PM
			

			

				Not a chance he lives in Wolverhampton. He ain't that thick, surely. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 18, 2023, 08:20:25 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: N'ZMAV on June 18, 2023, 07:54:45 PM
Not a chance he lives in Wolverhampton. He ain't that thick, surely. 

I remember being staggered to learn that some Wolves players chose to live in Telford (this was back in the Robbie Keane era, so they probably don't anymore). I'm from very near Telford. It's not where I'd be spending my millions.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on June 18, 2023, 08:20:51 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 18, 2023, 06:41:08 PM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on June 18, 2023, 05:33:09 PM
Wolves agree sale of Neves to Saudi team for £47m.

I don’t know how anyone can want to play in that horrific, fun-free, depressing, medieval hell hole. 

Bet he’s glad he’s leaving it. 

Stealing that!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SamTheMouse on June 18, 2023, 09:07:24 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 18, 2023, 06:41:08 PM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on June 18, 2023, 05:33:09 PM
Wolves agree sale of Neves to Saudi team for £47m.

I don’t know how anyone can want to play in that horrific, fun-free, depressing, medieval hell hole. 

Bet he’s glad he’s leaving it.

I wanted to make a joke like this, but couldn't work out how to phrase it!

Brilliantly done, chief.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 18, 2023, 09:54:34 PM
			

			

				I don’t follow golf so not sure what happened but I’d guess that the Saudis will be looking to fund a ESL once they’ve caused enough chaos in the current leagues to unbalance the status quo.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 18, 2023, 10:53:33 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on June 18, 2023, 06:27:30 PM
The scale of it is too big to ever have a top league.

Its just not gonna happen unless they buy FIFA, UEFA and CONMEBOL and then move everything over. Which obviously isn't gonna happen.

If I've learnt one thing over the last decade it's that football at that level is very corrupt. It won't be easy at all but I can see them pushing to have a league at around the Dutch level. They'll give it a good go, the World Cup will be in Saudi before we know it as well.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on June 18, 2023, 11:08:09 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on June 18, 2023, 06:27:30 PM
The scale of it is too big to ever have a top league.

Its just not gonna happen unless they buy FIFA, UEFA and CONMEBOL and then move everything over. Which obviously isn't gonna happen.



They will buy a few top teams and form their own super league bribing other big clubs to go with them
They don’t need to buy everything just a few main clubs and few top players

Then unlike last time when the fans protested, they won’t give two fucks about anyone or anything

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on June 18, 2023, 11:20:09 PM
			

			

				Man City are killing football and the bloke funding it has only bothered to go watch twice in 15 years. 

It’s doomed….
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rodders on June 18, 2023, 11:26:49 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 18, 2023, 06:41:08 PM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on June 18, 2023, 05:33:09 PM
Wolves agree sale of Neves to Saudi team for £47m.

I don’t know how anyone can want to play in that horrific, fun-free, depressing, medieval hell hole. 

Bet he’s glad he’s leaving it.

Thank you Paulie. Your brilliance has absolutely made my day.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on June 19, 2023, 02:16:35 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on June 18, 2023, 10:53:33 PM
Quote from: Smirker on June 18, 2023, 06:27:30 PM
The scale of it is too big to ever have a top league.

Its just not gonna happen unless they buy FIFA, UEFA and CONMEBOL and then move everything over. Which obviously isn't gonna happen.

If I've learnt one thing over the last decade it's that football at that level is very corrupt. It won't be easy at all but I can see them pushing to have a league at around the Dutch level. They'll give it a good go, the World Cup will be in Saudi before we know it as well.

Heard something on the radio the other day saying that the wheels are already in motion regarding them having the World Cup.  They are apparently already investing heavily in African football in an attempt to secure their votes.  If they can buy ... ahem sorry, secure, the African votes and get the Middle East ones as well then they will be well on the way.

The thing that will hold them back domestically is that their teams can't enter the Champions League etc. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: jwarry on June 19, 2023, 04:08:42 AM
			

			

				Even more annoyingly they are bailing out the likes of Wolves and Chelsea for FFP by buying their cast offs for millions 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on June 19, 2023, 05:28:42 AM
			

			

				Surely Coutinho will be wanted over there. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bad English on June 19, 2023, 06:00:22 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rodders on June 18, 2023, 11:26:49 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 18, 2023, 06:41:08 PM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on June 18, 2023, 05:33:09 PM
Wolves agree sale of Neves to Saudi team for £47m.

I don’t know how anyone can want to play in that horrific, fun-free, depressing, medieval hell hole. 

Bet he’s glad he’s leaving it.

Thank you Paulie. Your brilliance has absolutely made my day.
Well done. This is nicked.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: darren woolley on June 19, 2023, 09:53:00 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bad English on June 19, 2023, 06:00:22 AM
Quote from: Rodders on June 18, 2023, 11:26:49 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 18, 2023, 06:41:08 PM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on June 18, 2023, 05:33:09 PM
Wolves agree sale of Neves to Saudi team for £47m.

I don’t know how anyone can want to play in that horrific, fun-free, depressing, medieval hell hole. 

Bet he’s glad he’s leaving it.

Thank you Paulie. Your brilliance has absolutely made my day.
Well done. This is nicked.

It goes to show that it's just about the money for these player's.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Chap on June 19, 2023, 10:24:44 AM
			

			

				Interesting theory some one posted on the BBC HYS about it.

Al Hilal’s owners also own …..Newcastle. Neves wanted to play in Champions League….cheap loan from AH to NUFC to help NUFC get round FFP, with AH paying most of the wages and no loan fee??? Cynical? Me? Suspicious? Me? Damn right!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on June 19, 2023, 10:44:08 AM
			

			

				Newcastle's new Saudi sponsors are paying £25m a season (?) to have their name on the shirt. I know the Barcodes have more pulling power now that they've qualified for the CL but is that market value or does it look inflated?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on June 19, 2023, 10:55:25 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Chap on June 19, 2023, 10:24:44 AM
Interesting theory some one posted on the BBC HYS about it.

Al Hilal’s owners also own …..Newcastle. Neves wanted to play in Champions League….cheap loan from AH to NUFC to help NUFC get round FFP, with AH paying most of the wages and no loan fee??? Cynical? Me? Suspicious? Me? Damn right!

Interesting, and if this loophole is a get around because Wolves won’t sell to the barcodes, this needs looking into. Staying on loan with the club who sold the player is different but brokering this type of deal is altogether rather underhand. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on June 19, 2023, 11:00:36 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on June 19, 2023, 10:55:25 AM
Quote from: Chap on June 19, 2023, 10:24:44 AM
Interesting theory some one posted on the BBC HYS about it.

Al Hilal’s owners also own …..Newcastle. Neves wanted to play in Champions League….cheap loan from AH to NUFC to help NUFC get round FFP, with AH paying most of the wages and no loan fee??? Cynical? Me? Suspicious? Me? Damn right!

Interesting, and if this loophole is a get around because Wolves won’t sell to the barcodes, this needs looking into. Staying on loan with the club who sold the player is different but brokering this type of deal is altogether rather underhand.

It wouldn’t be because Wolves won’t sell to Newcastle, they will sell to anyone who pays the money…it would be to put the cost against the Saudi club so it never shows against Newcastle and in terms of ffp would be a ‘free’ player
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villatillidie25 on June 19, 2023, 11:01:38 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on June 19, 2023, 10:55:25 AM
Quote from: Chap on June 19, 2023, 10:24:44 AM
Interesting theory some one posted on the BBC HYS about it.

Al Hilal’s owners also own …..Newcastle. Neves wanted to play in Champions League….cheap loan from AH to NUFC to help NUFC get round FFP, with AH paying most of the wages and no loan fee??? Cynical? Me? Suspicious? Me? Damn right!

Interesting, and if this loophole is a get around because Wolves won’t sell to the barcodes, this needs looking into. Staying on loan with the club who sold the player is different but brokering this type of deal is altogether rather underhand. 

It wouldn't be underhand. it would be straight up cheating (although i suspect, technically, not cheating). I suspect (/ hope) it's a few panicky musings on internet forums though, rather than anything concrete. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on June 19, 2023, 11:07:47 AM
			

			

				Also being reported today is that the Saudi PIF, who own Newcastle, are also major investors into Clearlake Capital, who are majority shareholders in Chelsea, who are shipping all their unwanted, wagebill draining players, to the Saudi leagues top 4 clubs, who are all owned by the Saudi PIF.

So all completely above board and no shenanagins at all, no siree. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 19, 2023, 11:13:20 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on June 19, 2023, 10:44:08 AM
Newcastle's new Saudi sponsors are paying £25m a season (?) to have their name on the shirt. I know the Barcodes have more pulling power now that they've qualified for the CL but is that market value or does it look inflated?
 
I agree it looks iffy, but, to me at any rate, most shirt sponsors are a mystery. I've googled manyoo's and spurs', and I'm still little the wiser. 

In related news, it seems the league have put the kibosh on Chelsea's prospective deal with Paramount+ 

Edit: having read the posts above mine, maybe they'd have had more success negotiating with BeIN.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Mr Diggles on June 19, 2023, 11:49:41 AM
			

			

				Even acknowledging the point to which it already has, money will eat this game in the end. Especially dirty, oily money.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 19, 2023, 11:52:07 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: PeterWithe on June 19, 2023, 11:07:47 AM
Also being reported today is that the Saudi PIF, who own Newcastle, are also major investors into Clearlake Capital, who are majority shareholders in Chelsea, who are shipping all their unwanted, wagebill draining players, to the Saudi leagues top 4 clubs, who are all owned by the Saudi PIF.

So all completely above board and no shenanagins at all, no siree. 

Yes, this is very concerning. Apparently Boehly was in Saudi Arabia for meetings last week, so it will be interesting to see if Saudi clubs start buying Chelsea players for exorbitant amounts to alleviate their FFP concerns.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 19, 2023, 11:56:37 AM
			

			

				They've always been cheating feckers. Remember their "Under-16" team that beat Scotland in the 1989 U16 World Cup final. https://twitter.com/WeLoveBettingUK/status/1409149013698355200
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on June 19, 2023, 12:46:38 PM
			

			

				One of the Portugese papers reporting that Sporting Lisbon are holding out for us to meet Pedro Gonçalves's €80m release clause but so far we've only been prepared to offer €40m. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 19, 2023, 01:13:51 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on June 19, 2023, 11:56:37 AM
They've always been cheating feckers. Remember their "Under-16" team that beat Scotland in the 1989 U16 World Cup final. https://twitter.com/WeLoveBettingUK/status/1409149013698355200

That's just comical, especially the GK who looks about 16 x 2

The stuff going on at the moment is a concern though, they'll end up fucking the game up altogether.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 19, 2023, 02:09:33 PM
			

			

				Fucking hell, Chelsea shipping deadwood to Saudi investment fund owned teams to get their FFP situation sorted is quite clearly crooked as fuck.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Hookeysmith on June 19, 2023, 02:16:05 PM
			

			

				Didnt Chelsea sell Lampard to New York FC who are owned by Cite£ who then loaned him to their rivals Man City?

Its always been dodgy as hell. A very fine line between clever massaging of the rules and cheating is becoming an ever bigger line
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 19, 2023, 02:26:57 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on June 19, 2023, 12:46:38 PM
One of the Portugese papers reporting that Sporting Lisbon are holding out for us to meet Pedro Gonçalves's €80m release clause but so far we've only been prepared to offer €40m. 

The real story in that article is the salary we are offering compared to what he earns at Sporting. There's not a chance they come even close to matching it. We want him but don't want to pay the €80m that Sporting have been insisting on since day 1. By making so much noise about the fixed price it doesn't leave Sporting's board with much wiggle room. The hope/plan is to keep him for one more season.

I'd hope we can put together a package with add-ons that all sides can agree on. Right now Sporting are STILL chasing that Swedish striker from Coventry as €20m would be a record signing for the club. Maybe a bit more cash up front on our side could be the deciding factor?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on June 19, 2023, 02:41:37 PM
			

			

				I would imagine we're in no rush and Monchi may well take over negotiations. While we may not be prepared to go straight in at the release clause, it would be fair to assume that 40m is only our opener. 

Since they first said they would only sell at the clause price, they've obviously gone back to the other part owners and restructured the ownership package from 50% to 10%. 

Hopefully we can negotiate a deal. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 19, 2023, 02:58:15 PM
			

			

				I've read the end of the month is when we're likely to see a decision, at least on the side of Pote.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on June 19, 2023, 03:00:07 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on June 19, 2023, 02:58:15 PM
I've read the end of the month is when we're likely to see a decision, at least on the side of Pote.

I've not watched him play, where do you see him fitting into our team, in the Buendia slot?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 19, 2023, 03:20:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on June 19, 2023, 03:00:07 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on June 19, 2023, 02:58:15 PM
I've read the end of the month is when we're likely to see a decision, at least on the side of Pote.

I've not watched him play, where do you see him fitting into our team, in the Buendia slot?

Yup. he can play on the wing but he looks a natural 10. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on June 19, 2023, 04:09:17 PM
			

			

				Worth the money RCF? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on June 19, 2023, 04:19:10 PM
			

			

				Being linked with Joao Felix.

I'll eat my own cock if we sign him. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 19, 2023, 04:20:43 PM
			

			

				Too much of a risk at €80m. It would be a big chunk of our budget. When he's good he's like Coutinho but he's not at that level every game. He's also a bit of a lightweight, plus he's a really intelligent player that needs intelligent and technical players around him making the runs. Watkins and Bailey don't fit that criteria. I guess it depends who we bring in to add to our attack. Strangely enough, Archer has the football brain to link up well with him but we can't bet the farm on Cam delivering week in, week out.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 19, 2023, 05:23:55 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on June 19, 2023, 04:19:10 PM
Being linked with Joao Felix.

I'll eat my own cock if we sign him. 


not hungry then ?  (snigger) 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: TheMalandro on June 19, 2023, 06:06:46 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on June 19, 2023, 04:19:10 PM
Being linked with Joao Felix.

I'll eat my own cock if we sign him. 

Let me know if you want some micro herbs.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 19, 2023, 07:15:09 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on June 19, 2023, 04:19:10 PM
Being linked with Joao Felix.

I'll eat my own cock if we sign him. 

Let us know if it tastes like chicken, or pork.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on June 19, 2023, 07:50:43 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 19, 2023, 02:09:33 PM
Fucking hell, Chelsea shipping deadwood to Saudi investment fund owned teams to get their FFP situation sorted is quite clearly crooked as fuck.

And Sky Sport have spoken about it on their transfer show and didn't say a word about the crookedness. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on June 19, 2023, 07:53:15 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on June 19, 2023, 07:15:09 PM
Quote from: Smirker on June 19, 2023, 04:19:10 PM
Being linked with Joao Felix.

I'll eat my own cock if we sign him. 

Let us know if it tastes like chicken, or pork.

I will do mate and thanks for being mature and not mocking it  8)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on June 19, 2023, 07:55:28 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on June 19, 2023, 07:53:15 PM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on June 19, 2023, 07:15:09 PM
Quote from: Smirker on June 19, 2023, 04:19:10 PM
Being linked with Joao Felix.

I'll eat my own cock if we sign him. 

Let us know if it tastes like chicken, or pork.

I will do mate and thanks for being mature and not mocking it  8)

Mocking?  Is that some new sexual game.?  To mock the cock. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on June 19, 2023, 07:56:05 PM
			

			

				I'm not smirking any more. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Mister E on June 19, 2023, 08:57:10 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on June 19, 2023, 04:19:10 PM
Being linked with Joao Felix.

I'll eat my own cock if we sign him. 
 whilst I agree with the sentiment, you must be very flexible or very well endowed; our a bit of both.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on June 19, 2023, 09:02:58 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Mister E on June 19, 2023, 08:57:10 PM
Quote from: Smirker on June 19, 2023, 04:19:10 PM
Being linked with Joao Felix.

I'll eat my own cock if we sign him. 
 whilst I agree with the sentiment, you must be very flexible or very well endowed; our a bit of both.

I was gonna ask for his onlyfans tbh.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 20, 2023, 11:17:31 AM
			

			

				So, aside from some possible cock munching it seems to have gone a bit quiet!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Somniloquism on June 20, 2023, 11:20:24 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on June 20, 2023, 11:17:31 AM
So, aside from some possible cock munching it seems to have gone a bit quiet!

I suspect most have been taught not to speak with their mouthful.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 20, 2023, 11:24:26 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Somniloquism on June 20, 2023, 11:20:24 AM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on June 20, 2023, 11:17:31 AM
So, aside from some possible cock munching it seems to have gone a bit quiet!

I suspect most have been taught not to speak with their mouthful.


Please buy someone Villa  :-\ :D
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Jon Crofts on June 20, 2023, 11:29:00 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on June 19, 2023, 04:19:10 PM
Being linked with Joao Felix.

I'll eat my own cock if we sign him. 

Probably check in with Marilyn Manson if its possible without removing a rib.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on June 20, 2023, 01:43:05 PM
			

			

				so, with Nkunku going to Chelsea I doubt they'll go after Nicolas Jackson as well..? Hopefully good news for us. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on June 20, 2023, 01:45:00 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: villadelph on June 20, 2023, 01:43:05 PM
so, with Nkunku going to Chelsea I doubt they'll go after Nicolas Jackson as well..? Hopefully good news for us.

This is Chelsea…they will go for Jackson

Saudi will pay for both
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on June 20, 2023, 01:47:42 PM
			

			

				Didn't they buy Nkunku ages ago?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 20, 2023, 01:49:32 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Gareth on June 20, 2023, 01:45:00 PM
Quote from: villadelph on June 20, 2023, 01:43:05 PM
so, with Nkunku going to Chelsea I doubt they'll go after Nicolas Jackson as well..? Hopefully good news for us.

This is Chelsea…they will go for Jackson

Saudi will pay for both

Can they just move money around like this for FFP 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on June 20, 2023, 01:52:01 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PeterWithe on June 20, 2023, 01:47:42 PM
Didn't they buy Nkunku ages ago?

Yeah, was all agreed in January. This is just it becoming official.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on June 20, 2023, 02:03:19 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on June 19, 2023, 10:44:08 AM
Newcastle's new Saudi sponsors are paying £25m a season (?) to have their name on the shirt. I know the Barcodes have more pulling power now that they've qualified for the CL but is that market value or does it look inflated?
Tbf I think they've pitched it about right now they're in the CL.  I doubt they'd have got it on the open market, but last season Arsenal Spurs and Chelsea were all c £40m and West Ham and Everton about £10m.  It's prob a bit toppish, but they could have made an argument for a bit more.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: clash city rocker on June 20, 2023, 02:08:57 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on June 20, 2023, 02:03:19 PM
Quote from: eamonn on June 19, 2023, 10:44:08 AM
Newcastle's new Saudi sponsors are paying £25m a season (?) to have their name on the shirt. I know the Barcodes have more pulling power now that they've qualified for the CL but is that market value or does it look inflated?
Tbf I think they've pitched it about right now they're in the CL.  I doubt they'd have got it on the open market, but last season Arsenal Spurs and Chelsea were all c £40m and West Ham and Everton about £10m.  It's prob a bit toppish, but they could have made an argument for a bit more.

I'm no business man but how does it work ? If I spent say £20 million on a shirt sponsorship I would expect that to generate an extra £40m in my revenue stream or have I totally missed the point.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on June 20, 2023, 02:52:30 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: clash city rocker on June 20, 2023, 02:08:57 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on June 20, 2023, 02:03:19 PM
Quote from: eamonn on June 19, 2023, 10:44:08 AM
Newcastle's new Saudi sponsors are paying £25m a season (?) to have their name on the shirt. I know the Barcodes have more pulling power now that they've qualified for the CL but is that market value or does it look inflated?
Tbf I think they've pitched it about right now they're in the CL.  I doubt they'd have got it on the open market, but last season Arsenal Spurs and Chelsea were all c £40m and West Ham and Everton about £10m.  It's prob a bit toppish, but they could have made an argument for a bit more.

I'm no business man but how does it work ? If I spent say £20 million on a shirt sponsorship I would expect that to generate an extra £40m in my revenue stream or have I totally missed the point.
The point is I presume they will be effectively self sponsoring (through some sort of linked company).  The question is how much could they theoretically charge themselves (pump into the club to help with FFP) without looking like they are cheating.  I guess they felt this season they could get away with £25m.  If they're in the CL next season they'll prob try to push closer to the £40m.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 20, 2023, 05:56:08 PM
			

			

				That Bamba lad we have previously been linked with from Vitoria is going to Qatar. Not Saudi so mixing it up a bit.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: clash city rocker on June 20, 2023, 07:10:52 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on June 20, 2023, 02:52:30 PM
Quote from: clash city rocker on June 20, 2023, 02:08:57 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on June 20, 2023, 02:03:19 PM
Quote from: eamonn on June 19, 2023, 10:44:08 AM
Newcastle's new Saudi sponsors are paying £25m a season (?) to have their name on the shirt. I know the Barcodes have more pulling power now that they've qualified for the CL but is that market value or does it look inflated?
Tbf I think they've pitched it about right now they're in the CL.  I doubt they'd have got it on the open market, but last season Arsenal Spurs and Chelsea were all c £40m and West Ham and Everton about £10m.  It's prob a bit toppish, but they could have made an argument for a bit more.

I'm no business man but how does it work ? If I spent say £20 million on a shirt sponsorship I would expect that to generate an extra £40m in my revenue stream or have I totally missed the point.
The point is I presume they will be effectively self sponsoring (through some sort of linked company).  The question is how much could they theoretically charge themselves (pump into the club to help with FFP) without looking like they are cheating.  I guess they felt this season they could get away with £25m.  If they're in the CL next season they'll prob try to push closer to the £40m. 

And who thinks corruption doesn't exist in all walks of life.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 20, 2023, 07:19:14 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on June 20, 2023, 05:56:08 PM
That Bamba lad we have previously been linked with from Vitoria is going to Qatar. Not Saudi so mixing it up a bit.

He's a silly boy. Hasn't he just broken into the Italian squad?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Exeter 77 on June 20, 2023, 07:34:42 PM
			

			

				Suggestions that Sinisalo will go to Exeter on a season long loan.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 20, 2023, 07:36:54 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on June 20, 2023, 07:19:14 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on June 20, 2023, 05:56:08 PM
That Bamba lad we have previously been linked with from Vitoria is going to Qatar. Not Saudi so mixing it up a bit.

He's a silly boy. Hasn't he just broken into the Italian squad?

I'm not sure but if he has then he's even more daft than I thought.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 20, 2023, 08:11:50 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on June 20, 2023, 07:36:54 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on June 20, 2023, 07:19:14 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on June 20, 2023, 05:56:08 PM
That Bamba lad we have previously been linked with from Vitoria is going to Qatar. Not Saudi so mixing it up a bit.

He's a silly boy. Hasn't he just broken into the Italian squad?

I'm not sure but if he has then he's even more daft than I thought.
 

So off on loan to PSG or manyoo, then.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 20, 2023, 08:14:47 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on June 20, 2023, 07:36:54 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on June 20, 2023, 07:19:14 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on June 20, 2023, 05:56:08 PM
That Bamba lad we have previously been linked with from Vitoria is going to Qatar. Not Saudi so mixing it up a bit.

He's a silly boy. Hasn't he just broken into the Italian squad?

I'm not sure but if he has then he's even more daft than I thought.

He has and he had Arsenal sniffing around back in January. I guess we have other centre half plans.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: jwarry on June 21, 2023, 08:29:00 AM
			

			

				I know nothing but the lack of serious links to players suggests to me Monchi is now marking Lange’s homework.  Unless Unai has expressly already said he wants a particular player I suspect they will now be working an added range of possibilities brought to the table by Monchi and it may be a few days before we see any activity 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 21, 2023, 09:56:28 AM
			

			

				 Bertrand Traore injured again.  Get rid
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rotterdam on June 21, 2023, 10:55:22 AM
			

			

				BBC writing about Scott McTominay, worth a look?

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65969204
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulTheVillan on June 21, 2023, 10:59:54 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rotterdam on June 21, 2023, 10:55:22 AM
BBC writing about Scott McTominay, worth a look?

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65969204

I don't think he's a bad player, but don't think he'd get in the side ahead of our current CM options. 

Might be good for the conference league away games
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on June 21, 2023, 11:07:04 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: jwarry on June 21, 2023, 08:29:00 AM
I know nothing but the lack of serious links to players suggests to me Monchi is now marking Lange’s homework.  Unless Unai has expressly already said he wants a particular player I suspect they will now be working an added range of possibilities brought to the table by Monchi and it may be a few days before we see any activity 

Plus players and key people going on holiday or if they've been playing in internationals, only now going on holiday. It's no wonder most transfer activity happens when players are back in for pre-season. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on June 21, 2023, 11:14:08 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on June 21, 2023, 09:56:28 AM
 Bertrand Traore injured again.  Get rid

Yep thanks for everything Bert, but time to pack him off somewhere.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on June 21, 2023, 11:22:36 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on June 21, 2023, 11:14:08 AM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on June 21, 2023, 09:56:28 AM
 Bertrand Traore injured again.  Get rid

Yep thanks for everything Bert, but time to pack him off somewhere.

Only 12 months left on his contract. Get him fit, loan him out again. Might need his replacement in first though. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: passport1 on June 21, 2023, 11:39:15 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on June 21, 2023, 09:56:28 AM
 Bertrand Traore injured again.  Get rid

That's the problem we can't. Naturally he will walk/ limp out the door next year on a free.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 21, 2023, 12:20:59 PM
			

			

				Danny Murphy keeps referencing Liverpool as top side when discussing Transfer targets like Maddison ,  who is being linked to Newcastle.  He doesn't think Maddison would be good enough for the likes of  Man City and Liverpool .  He does realise 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' are not in the Champions League ?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villatillidie25 on June 21, 2023, 12:51:58 PM
			

			

				Feels reasonable to reference Liverpool as a top side. They're a huge club, probably one of only 2 or 3 who are basically immune to short-term blips in form when judging the calibre of player they can sign. Murphy's still a prized prat though
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on June 21, 2023, 12:55:50 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on June 21, 2023, 12:20:59 PM
Danny Murphy keeps referencing Liverpool as top side when discussing Transfer targets like Maddison ,  who is being linked to Newcastle.  He doesn't think Maddison would be good enough for the likes of  Man City and Liverpool .  He does realise 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' are not in the Champions League ?

As much as I despise Murphy, he is right. 

Maddison isn't good enough for the "top" teams. 

I personally don't think he is good enough for us either. 

He is a pound shop Grealish.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on June 21, 2023, 12:56:54 PM
			

			

				Harsh. He's at least Sainsbury level.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 21, 2023, 01:08:29 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pablo_picasso on June 21, 2023, 12:55:50 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on June 21, 2023, 12:20:59 PM
Danny Murphy keeps referencing Liverpool as top side when discussing Transfer targets like Maddison ,  who is being linked to Newcastle.  He doesn't think Maddison would be good enough for the likes of  Man City and Liverpool .  He does realise 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' are not in the Champions League ?

As much as I despise Murphy, he is right. 

Maddison isn't good enough for the "top" teams. 

I personally don't think he is good enough for us either. 

He is a pound shop Grealish.

Grealish is a pound shop Grealish now, a robot. Such a waste.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on June 21, 2023, 01:25:01 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on June 21, 2023, 11:22:36 AM
Quote from: Risso on June 21, 2023, 11:14:08 AM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on June 21, 2023, 09:56:28 AM
 Bertrand Traore injured again.  Get rid

Yep thanks for everything Bert, but time to pack him off somewhere.

Only 12 months left on his contract. Get him fit, loan him out again. Might need his replacement in first though. 
Chelsea would get £20m from Saudi for him.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 21, 2023, 01:33:28 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rotterdam on June 21, 2023, 10:55:22 AM
BBC writing about Scott McTominay, worth a look?

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65969204

Only if that is a look at him as he's driving to the the other end of the country to sign for someone who isn't us.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on June 21, 2023, 01:43:29 PM
			

			

				All very quiet on the Western Front 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Towser on June 21, 2023, 01:49:03 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rotterdam on June 21, 2023, 10:55:22 AM
BBC writing about Scott McTominay, worth a look?

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65969204
This line made me laugh 
Quote
John McGinn basked in the occasion and splished-splashed his way through the night like a happy child kicking his way through puddles.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on June 21, 2023, 01:55:56 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 21, 2023, 01:08:29 PM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on June 21, 2023, 12:55:50 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on June 21, 2023, 12:20:59 PM
Danny Murphy keeps referencing Liverpool as top side when discussing Transfer targets like Maddison ,  who is being linked to Newcastle.  He doesn't think Maddison would be good enough for the likes of  Man City and Liverpool .  He does realise 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' are not in the Champions League ?

As much as I despise Murphy, he is right. 

Maddison isn't good enough for the "top" teams. 

I personally don't think he is good enough for us either. 

He is a pound shop Grealish.

Grealish is a pound shop Grealish now, a robot. Such a waste.

Cog #10
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Hookeysmith on June 21, 2023, 02:34:07 PM
			

			

				Anyone else get frustrated when all the chatter (news now - i know i shouldn't) about a player we are strongly linked with 

Nico Williams
Asensio
Ugarte
Pau Torres
Chukwueze
Guenduzi

Either go somewhere else, advise they are not interested or no updates at all

I really thought we we do like last year and pounce as soon as season ended

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on June 21, 2023, 02:41:43 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Hookeysmith on June 21, 2023, 02:34:07 PM
Anyone else get frustrated when all the chatter (news now - i know i shouldn't) about a player we are strongly linked with 

Nico Williams
Asensio
Ugarte
Pau Torres
Chukwueze
Guenduzi

Either go somewhere else, advise they are not interested or no updates at all

I really thought we we do like last year and pounce as soon as season ended


Well we did, with Tielemans. Which is one more player than a lot of clubs have signed, and also arguably the best bit of business any club has done this summer so far.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on June 21, 2023, 02:52:23 PM
			

			

				The month of July is going to be incredibly busy. Monchi joins, kit release, pre season tours, players get back to training, and we will start to see players being added and leaving. As much as it is quiet now it will get really hectic in a couple of weeks.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on June 21, 2023, 03:01:10 PM
			

			

				Man Utd fans seem to think Maguire, McTominay and £20m for Rice would be a great deal for West Ham.  Feels a bit like Onomoh & £3m to me. 

I think with his wages Man U will need to give Maguire away to have any chance of getting him off the books.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on June 21, 2023, 03:08:39 PM
			

			

				Especially if he's found guilty at retrial... 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Paul.S on June 21, 2023, 03:32:33 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Hookeysmith on June 21, 2023, 02:34:07 PM
Anyone else get frustrated when all the chatter (news now - i know i shouldn't) about a player we are strongly linked with 

Nico Williams
Asensio
Ugarte
Pau Torres
Chukwueze
Guenduzi

Either go somewhere else, advise they are not interested or no updates at all

I really thought we we do like last year and pounce as soon as season ended

Not at all. We don’t normally do our business in public and I’d very much doubt there’s much in the rumours that appear in the press.
I heard Ings say that when he knew he was moving the club told him that if it got out into the press beforehand we’d pull the plug on it. I know it’s not always possible but we’ve become very good at going under the radar with regards to signings.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Hookeysmith on June 21, 2023, 03:36:37 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on June 21, 2023, 03:08:39 PM
Especially if he's found guilty at retrial... 

Slabhead?

As much as Emery has my 100% on anyone he wants to sign - if he signed him then i would declare him clinically insane. I actually think CHambers is a better footballer than McGuire
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on June 21, 2023, 03:41:05 PM
			

			

				Fabrizio Romano saying we are still keen on Pau Torres;

https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1671520684361625605?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet (https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1671520684361625605?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on June 21, 2023, 03:52:31 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Paul.S on June 21, 2023, 03:32:33 PM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on June 21, 2023, 02:34:07 PM
Anyone else get frustrated when all the chatter (news now - i know i shouldn't) about a player we are strongly linked with 

Nico Williams
Asensio
Ugarte
Pau Torres
Chukwueze
Guenduzi

Either go somewhere else, advise they are not interested or no updates at all

I really thought we we do like last year and pounce as soon as season ended

Not at all. We don’t normally do our business in public and I’d very much doubt there’s much in the rumours that appear in the press.
I heard Ings say that when he knew he was moving the club told him that if it got out into the press beforehand we’d pull the plug on it. I know it’s not always possible but we’ve become very good at going under the radar with regards to signings.

Why though what’s the point of all the secrecy
They’re just signings of footballers, we’re not talking about nuclear codes here just links with Bill and Bob who may or may not sign for us

I don’t get why everyone gets off on the fact that we are really good at playing MI6 when it comes to signing a few footballers,
who gives a fuck if anyone knows or not


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Astnor on June 21, 2023, 03:54:27 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on June 21, 2023, 03:41:05 PM
Fabrizio Romano saying we are still keen on Pau Torres;

https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1671520684361625605?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet (https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1671520684361625605?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet)
Left footed CB shoudnt be a priority though, we have two very decent of them already
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ger Regan on June 21, 2023, 03:57:45 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: john e on June 21, 2023, 03:52:31 PM
Quote from: Paul.S on June 21, 2023, 03:32:33 PM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on June 21, 2023, 02:34:07 PM
Anyone else get frustrated when all the chatter (news now - i know i shouldn't) about a player we are strongly linked with 

Nico Williams
Asensio
Ugarte
Pau Torres
Chukwueze
Guenduzi

Either go somewhere else, advise they are not interested or no updates at all

I really thought we we do like last year and pounce as soon as season ended

Not at all. We don’t normally do our business in public and I’d very much doubt there’s much in the rumours that appear in the press.
I heard Ings say that when he knew he was moving the club told him that if it got out into the press beforehand we’d pull the plug on it. I know it’s not always possible but we’ve become very good at going under the radar with regards to signings.

Why though what’s the point of all the secrecy
They’re just signings of footballers, we’re not talking about nuclear codes here just links with Bill and Bob who may or may not sign for us

I don’t get why everyone gets off on the fact that we are really good at playing MI6 when it comes to signing a few footballers,
who gives a fuck if anyone knows or not


For one, it helps to avoid a bid being hijacked by other clubs.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on June 21, 2023, 04:02:53 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ger Regan on June 21, 2023, 03:57:45 PM
Quote from: john e on June 21, 2023, 03:52:31 PM
Quote from: Paul.S on June 21, 2023, 03:32:33 PM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on June 21, 2023, 02:34:07 PM
Anyone else get frustrated when all the chatter (news now - i know i shouldn't) about a player we are strongly linked with 

Nico Williams
Asensio
Ugarte
Pau Torres
Chukwueze
Guenduzi

Either go somewhere else, advise they are not interested or no updates at all

I really thought we we do like last year and pounce as soon as season ended

Not at all. We don’t normally do our business in public and I’d very much doubt there’s much in the rumours that appear in the press.
I heard Ings say that when he knew he was moving the club told him that if it got out into the press beforehand we’d pull the plug on it. I know it’s not always possible but we’ve become very good at going under the radar with regards to signings.

Why though what’s the point of all the secrecy
They’re just signings of footballers, we’re not talking about nuclear codes here just links with Bill and Bob who may or may not sign for us

I don’t get why everyone gets off on the fact that we are really good at playing MI6 when it comes to signing a few footballers,
who gives a fuck if anyone knows or not


For one, it helps to avoid a bid being hijacked by other clubs.

And potential embarrassment if they turn us down, as well as showing replacement targets they are second choice.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on June 21, 2023, 04:04:00 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: john e on June 21, 2023, 03:52:31 PM
Quote from: Paul.S on June 21, 2023, 03:32:33 PM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on June 21, 2023, 02:34:07 PM
Anyone else get frustrated when all the chatter (news now - i know i shouldn't) about a player we are strongly linked with 

Nico Williams
Asensio
Ugarte
Pau Torres
Chukwueze
Guenduzi

Either go somewhere else, advise they are not interested or no updates at all

I really thought we we do like last year and pounce as soon as season ended

Not at all. We don’t normally do our business in public and I’d very much doubt there’s much in the rumours that appear in the press.
I heard Ings say that when he knew he was moving the club told him that if it got out into the press beforehand we’d pull the plug on it. I know it’s not always possible but we’ve become very good at going under the radar with regards to signings.

Why though what’s the point of all the secrecy
They’re just signings of footballers, we’re not talking about nuclear codes here just links with Bill and Bob who may or may not sign for us

I don’t get why everyone gets off on the fact that we are really good at playing MI6 when it comes to signing a few footballers,
who gives a fuck if anyone knows or not

And I don't get why fans feel they need to know everything about everything and can't have a little bit of patience and find stuff out all in good time.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Astnor on June 21, 2023, 04:05:27 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ger Regan on June 21, 2023, 03:57:45 PM
Quote from: john e on June 21, 2023, 03:52:31 PM
Quote from: Paul.S on June 21, 2023, 03:32:33 PM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on June 21, 2023, 02:34:07 PM
Anyone else get frustrated when all the chatter (news now - i know i shouldn't) about a player we are strongly linked with 

Nico Williams
Asensio
Ugarte
Pau Torres
Chukwueze
Guenduzi

Either go somewhere else, advise they are not interested or no updates at all

I really thought we we do like last year and pounce as soon as season ended

Not at all. We don’t normally do our business in public and I’d very much doubt there’s much in the rumours that appear in the press.
I heard Ings say that when he knew he was moving the club told him that if it got out into the press beforehand we’d pull the plug on it. I know it’s not always possible but we’ve become very good at going under the radar with regards to signings.

Why though what’s the point of all the secrecy
They’re just signings of footballers, we’re not talking about nuclear codes here just links with Bill and Bob who may or may not sign for us

I don’t get why everyone gets off on the fact that we are really good at playing MI6 when it comes to signing a few footballers,
who gives a fuck if anyone knows or not


For one, it helps to avoid a bid being hijacked by other clubs.
So why then was it important to hold secret the deal to sell Ings? Should be in our interest to make it known that he was for sale to start a bidding war.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 21, 2023, 04:17:02 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 21, 2023, 02:52:23 PM
The month of July is going to be incredibly busy. Monchi joins, kit release, pre season tours, players get back to training, and we will start to see players being added and leaving. As much as it is quiet now it will get really hectic in a couple of weeks.

Yes then it is info overload .  I want to savour it all bit by bit,  but it doesn't happen sadly 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Mister E on June 21, 2023, 04:25:04 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Astnor on June 21, 2023, 03:54:27 PM
Quote from: Dogtanian on June 21, 2023, 03:41:05 PM
Fabrizio Romano saying we are still keen on Pau Torres;

https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1671520684361625605?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet (https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1671520684361625605?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet)
Left footed CB shoudnt be a priority though, we have two very decent of them already
Mings and Hause? ...
If you mean Carlos, I think he's right-footed.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Astnor on June 21, 2023, 04:36:31 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Mister E on June 21, 2023, 04:25:04 PM
Quote from: Astnor on June 21, 2023, 03:54:27 PM
Quote from: Dogtanian on June 21, 2023, 03:41:05 PM
Fabrizio Romano saying we are still keen on Pau Torres;

https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1671520684361625605?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet (https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1671520684361625605?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet)
Left footed CB shoudnt be a priority though, we have two very decent of them already
Mings and Hause? ...
If you mean Carlos, I think he's right-footed.
I was of the opinion that Carlos was leftfooted. According to Transfermarket.com he is rightfooted. Thanks for clarifying.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on June 21, 2023, 04:59:42 PM
			

			

				Carlos is right footed but he played as left centre back for Sevilla with Kounde on the right. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on June 21, 2023, 05:06:58 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Hookeysmith on June 21, 2023, 03:36:37 PM
Quote from: Drummond on June 21, 2023, 03:08:39 PM
Especially if he's found guilty at retrial... 

Slabhead?

As much as Emery has my 100% on anyone he wants to sign - if he signed him then i would declare him clinically insane. I actually think CHambers is a better footballer than McGuire
Don't panic, this was in reference to Man U potentially trying to palm him off to West Ham.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 21, 2023, 05:41:07 PM
			

			

				I see we've been linked with Summerville at Leeds. He's highly rated by their fans but for us he'd be on the bench, one for the future. If we can get him cheap it could be a good bit of business. Who we bring in either as a winger/forward is going to be key. It's our weakest area and we need players/strikers that can straight into the team.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 21, 2023, 05:59:10 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on June 21, 2023, 05:41:07 PM
I see we've been linked with Summerville at Leeds. He's highly rated by their fans but for us he'd be on the bench, one for the future. If we can get him cheap it could be a good bit of business. Who we bring in either as a winger/forward is going to be key. It's our weakest area and we need players/strikers that can straight into the team.

I don't know how he'd cope with the move to Brum. Strikes me as a Smalltown Boy.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Paul.S on June 21, 2023, 06:04:51 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: john e on June 21, 2023, 03:52:31 PM
Quote from: Paul.S on June 21, 2023, 03:32:33 PM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on June 21, 2023, 02:34:07 PM
Anyone else get frustrated when all the chatter (news now - i know i shouldn't) about a player we are strongly linked with 

Nico Williams
Asensio
Ugarte
Pau Torres
Chukwueze
Guenduzi

Either go somewhere else, advise they are not interested or no updates at all

I really thought we we do like last year and pounce as soon as season ended

Not at all. We don’t normally do our business in public and I’d very much doubt there’s much in the rumours that appear in the press.
I heard Ings say that when he knew he was moving the club told him that if it got out into the press beforehand we’d pull the plug on it. I know it’s not always possible but we’ve become very good at going under the radar with regards to signings.

Why though what’s the point of all the secrecy
They’re just signings of footballers, we’re not talking about nuclear codes here just links with Bill and Bob who may or may not sign for us

I don’t get why everyone gets off on the fact that we are really good at playing MI6 when it comes to signing a few footballers,
who gives a fuck if anyone knows or not

The only reason must be to avoid getting  involved in a bidding war. Very hard to do these days but we’ve managed it a few times. If the player leaks it with an attempt to generate a move somewhere else or to get more money the club walks away. Why not keep your business deals private until they are signed? I’d rather find out when the player signs than put up with the weeks of speculation that’s played out in the media.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Hookeysmith on June 21, 2023, 06:12:07 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on June 21, 2023, 05:59:10 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on June 21, 2023, 05:41:07 PM
I see we've been linked with Summerville at Leeds. He's highly rated by their fans but for us he'd be on the bench, one for the future. If we can get him cheap it could be a good bit of business. Who we bring in either as a winger/forward is going to be key. It's our weakest area and we need players/strikers that can straight into the team.

I don't know how he'd cope with the move to Brum. Strikes me as a Smalltown Boy.

There's one for the kids!

I bet the Leeds fan will scream don't leave us this way
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Three Spires Villa on June 21, 2023, 06:15:33 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Hookeysmith on June 21, 2023, 06:12:07 PM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on June 21, 2023, 05:59:10 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on June 21, 2023, 05:41:07 PM
I see we've been linked with Summerville at Leeds. He's highly rated by their fans but for us he'd be on the bench, one for the future. If we can get him cheap it could be a good bit of business. Who we bring in either as a winger/forward is going to be key. It's our weakest area and we need players/strikers that can straight into the team.

I don't know how he'd cope with the move to Brum. Strikes me as a Smalltown Boy.

There's one for the kids!

I bet the Leeds fan will scream don't leave us this way

😆😆
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Eckybloke on June 21, 2023, 06:38:59 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rotterdam on June 21, 2023, 10:55:22 AM
BBC writing about Scott McTominay, worth a look?

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65969204

Won’t have anything said against the goal machine that is Scott McTominay when he lines up for Scotland. Happy when he’s lined up for Man U against us though. How different a player can be in the right system. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pelty on June 21, 2023, 07:02:33 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Three Spires Villa on June 21, 2023, 06:15:33 PM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on June 21, 2023, 06:12:07 PM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on June 21, 2023, 05:59:10 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on June 21, 2023, 05:41:07 PM
I see we've been linked with Summerville at Leeds. He's highly rated by their fans but for us he'd be on the bench, one for the future. If we can get him cheap it could be a good bit of business. Who we bring in either as a winger/forward is going to be key. It's our weakest area and we need players/strikers that can straight into the team.

I don't know how he'd cope with the move to Brum. Strikes me as a Smalltown Boy.

There's one for the kids!

I bet the Leeds fan will scream don't leave us this way


I don’t know; I feel love for him, personally!

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 21, 2023, 07:04:04 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Hookeysmith on June 21, 2023, 06:12:07 PM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on June 21, 2023, 05:59:10 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on June 21, 2023, 05:41:07 PM
I see we've been linked with Summerville at Leeds. He's highly rated by their fans but for us he'd be on the bench, one for the future. If we can get him cheap it could be a good bit of business. Who we bring in either as a winger/forward is going to be key. It's our weakest area and we need players/strikers that can straight into the team.

I don't know how he'd cope with the move to Brum. Strikes me as a Smalltown Boy.

There's one for the kids!

I bet the Leeds fan will scream don't leave us this way

Read My Lips..Enough is enough of your nonsense, Hookey!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on June 21, 2023, 07:12:56 PM
			

			

				There's been a lot of links to Tyler Adams too. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave P on June 21, 2023, 07:18:33 PM
			

			

				There is a twitter link to Ader Guler who is one of the hottest properties in Europe. This would be amazing. 

https://twitter.com/futshaberr/status/1671573010929655817?s=46&t=i16_i-jfa-09IlP2r1orxQ
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 21, 2023, 07:26:08 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave P on June 21, 2023, 07:18:33 PM
There is a twitter link to Ader Guler who is one of the hottest properties in Europe. This would be amazing. 

https://twitter.com/futshaberr/status/1671573010929655817?s=46&t=i16_i-jfa-09IlP2r1orxQ

That Romano chap tweeted the other day that every top club in Europe will be after him on account of his low release clause (17m I think).
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 21, 2023, 07:46:24 PM
			

			

				A link to Nicolo Zaniolo who from his showreel reminds me of Snodgrass.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on June 21, 2023, 09:18:29 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on June 21, 2023, 07:26:08 PM
Quote from: Dave P on June 21, 2023, 07:18:33 PM
There is a twitter link to Ader Guler who is one of the hottest properties in Europe. This would be amazing. 

https://twitter.com/futshaberr/status/1671573010929655817?s=46&t=i16_i-jfa-09IlP2r1orxQ

That Romano chap tweeted the other day that every top club in Europe will be after him on account of his low release clause (17m I think).

I'd be amazed if we got this kid, he's special and will have plenty of offers. You could double or treble the release clause and teams would be sniffing around him.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on June 21, 2023, 11:44:18 PM
			

			

				We're not getting him, but let's just pretend for a few minutes...


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 22, 2023, 01:18:13 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Tokyo Sexwhale on June 21, 2023, 11:44:18 PM
We're not getting him, but let's just pretend for a few minutes...



He’d be great at Man City, making ten yard passes to the left back. Probably better than that pissed up bloke.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 22, 2023, 09:10:53 AM
			

			

				He is a bit greedy  :D
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on June 22, 2023, 10:36:52 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on June 22, 2023, 09:10:53 AM
He is a bit greedy  :D

No right foot either!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dick Edwards on June 22, 2023, 10:40:28 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on June 22, 2023, 10:36:52 AM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on June 22, 2023, 09:10:53 AM
He is a bit greedy  :D

No right foot either!

Show pony.

Unless we sign him of course  ;)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 22, 2023, 11:05:13 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on June 22, 2023, 09:10:53 AM
He is a bit greedy  :D

He has a Kodjia-esque reluctance to give anyone else the ball.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on June 22, 2023, 11:11:30 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Tokyo Sexwhale on June 21, 2023, 11:44:18 PM
We're not getting him, but let's just pretend for a few minutes...


He looks lovely.  Not much end product yet and he's in a farmers league, but with the right coaching he's clearly got the ability to become a bit special.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on June 22, 2023, 01:41:46 PM
			

			

				He'll be a decent player once he's old enough to grow facial hair. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on June 22, 2023, 02:40:54 PM
			

			

				Now would probably be a good time to announce Guler, Torres, Guendouzi, Mbappe and Messi to calm down the near rioting fans after the shitshow kit/badge saga.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 22, 2023, 04:47:46 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on June 22, 2023, 02:40:54 PM
Now would probably be a good time to announce Guler, Torres, Guendouzi, Mbappe and Messi to calm down the near rioting fans after the shitshow kit/badge saga.


but leave the shirt stretch out of it 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VinnieChase84 on June 22, 2023, 07:47:33 PM
			

			

				Meunièr being linked 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on June 22, 2023, 07:48:37 PM
			

			

				Supposedly hawking Big Keinan round for £4m-£6m, and also Marv's close to a move to Luton.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on June 22, 2023, 08:00:06 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on June 22, 2023, 07:47:33 PM
Meunièr being linked 

Decent delivery from fullback but never really impressed me. Not young either.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 22, 2023, 08:09:58 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on June 22, 2023, 08:00:06 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on June 22, 2023, 07:47:33 PM
Meunièr being linked 

Decent delivery from fullback but never really impressed me. Not young either.

32 in September.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on June 22, 2023, 08:13:23 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on June 22, 2023, 07:47:33 PM
Meunièr being linked 

Not seen that link. Dortmund want to sell him and replace him with an 18 year old and Barcelona were being linked with him a couple of weeks ago as a low cost signing. 

He might have been at PSG at the same time Emery was. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on June 22, 2023, 08:31:20 PM
			

			

				Twitter reporting between £2m - £4m with potential for some kind of agreement between player and Dortmund where he leaves for free.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on June 22, 2023, 08:33:53 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on June 22, 2023, 07:47:33 PM
Meunièr being linked 

Presumably a right full back? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on June 22, 2023, 08:36:43 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on June 22, 2023, 08:33:53 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on June 22, 2023, 07:47:33 PM
Meunièr being linked 

Presumably a right full back?

Yup. But the sort of right-back that can also drop into a back three or midfield.

Plus knows Donk and Tielemans from Belgium. And tall, which we're very much not at the moment. 

I'd be pretty comfortable with it.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 22, 2023, 08:38:16 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on June 22, 2023, 08:36:43 PM
Quote from: Steve67 on June 22, 2023, 08:33:53 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on June 22, 2023, 07:47:33 PM
Meunièr being linked 

Presumably a right full back?

Yup. But the sort of right-back that can also drop into a back three or midfield.

Plus knows Donk and Tielemans from Belgium. And tall, which we're very much not at the moment. 

I'd be pretty comfortable with it.

Yeah me too.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on June 22, 2023, 08:39:38 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 22, 2023, 08:38:16 PM
Quote from: Dave on June 22, 2023, 08:36:43 PM
Quote from: Steve67 on June 22, 2023, 08:33:53 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on June 22, 2023, 07:47:33 PM
Meunièr being linked 

Presumably a right full back?

Yup. But the sort of right-back that can also drop into a back three or midfield.

Plus knows Donk and Tielemans from Belgium. And tall, which we're very much not at the moment. 

I'd be pretty comfortable with it.

Yeah me too.

In Unai we trust.  Let's get it done then.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on June 22, 2023, 08:53:16 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 22, 2023, 08:38:16 PM
Quote from: Dave on June 22, 2023, 08:36:43 PM
Quote from: Steve67 on June 22, 2023, 08:33:53 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on June 22, 2023, 07:47:33 PM
Meunièr being linked 

Presumably a right full back?

Yup. But the sort of right-back that can also drop into a back three or midfield.

Plus knows Donk and Tielemans from Belgium. And tall, which we're very much not at the moment. 

I'd be pretty comfortable with it.

Yeah me too.

If the rumoured price is anywhere near correct it’s a decent deal. It’s either this or a shed load on a bona fida 1st team upgrade.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on June 22, 2023, 08:55:12 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 22, 2023, 08:38:16 PM
Quote from: Dave on June 22, 2023, 08:36:43 PM
Quote from: Steve67 on June 22, 2023, 08:33:53 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on June 22, 2023, 07:47:33 PM
Meunièr being linked 

Presumably a right full back?

Yup. But the sort of right-back that can also drop into a back three or midfield.

Plus knows Donk and Tielemans from Belgium. And tall, which we're very much not at the moment. 

I'd be pretty comfortable with it.

Yeah me too.

Sounds like a good upgrade on Ashley not so Young.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on June 22, 2023, 10:50:39 PM
			

			

				Apparently we've had a bid turned down for Federico Chiesa.... 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SamTheMouse on June 22, 2023, 10:50:53 PM
			

			

				Seeing some Twitter nonsense about us offering 60 million for Chiesa.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on June 22, 2023, 10:51:36 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on June 22, 2023, 10:50:39 PM
Apparently we've had a bid turned down for Federico Chiesa.... 
Now we're talking, proper fuckig player
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on June 22, 2023, 10:53:34 PM
			

			

				Will give Coutinho and Traore someone to chat to while they're waiting for the physio.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 22, 2023, 10:56:37 PM
			

			

				Slotting into CB and CM were never Young’s forte so it makes sense tactically but loses some integrity points (whatever they are).
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on June 22, 2023, 11:07:47 PM
			

			

				Chiesa was fantastic at the Euros in 2021 on the back of exciting club form but I haven't kept tabs on him since. Did he get a big move and struggle?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 22, 2023, 11:11:55 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on June 22, 2023, 10:51:36 PM
Quote from: Drummond on June 22, 2023, 10:50:39 PM
Apparently we've had a bid turned down for Federico Chiesa.... 
Now we're talking, proper fuckig player

He should bring his dad, too. He can probably still put in a performance.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: murgsy on June 22, 2023, 11:12:05 PM
			

			

				Chiesa is injury prone I think And never Lived up to the hype of the last Euros
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 22, 2023, 11:13:14 PM
			

			

				Chiesa trufact - speaks perfect English, went to an International School in Florence when his dad was at Fiorentina, lessons in English.

Insanely attractive Mrs. Even by footballer standards. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 22, 2023, 11:22:45 PM
			

			

				I do wonder how likely he is to want to come here, though.

Starting to find myself thinking we're going after players who don't want to come here.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on June 22, 2023, 11:27:32 PM
			

			

				Thing is we need to fish in those ponds. Maybe we don’t catch much this time around but we might get a bite or two. Next window, if we are doing well in the league and cups we become that little bit more attractive. Get to the CL and it’s game on. I’d rather shoot for and miss the Marco Asensio’s and Chiesa’s of the world than the players we have had to go after in our recent history. Shit bags Wolves have done bloody well in that regard so no reason we can’t get one or two very decent players 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on June 22, 2023, 11:35:00 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 22, 2023, 11:13:14 PM
Chiesa trufact - speaks perfect English, went to an International School in Florence when his dad was at Fiorentina, lessons in English.

Insanely attractive Mrs. Even by footballer standards. 

*searches Google*
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smithy on June 22, 2023, 11:41:39 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on June 22, 2023, 11:07:47 PM
Chiesa was fantastic at the Euros in 2021 on the back of exciting club form but I haven't kept tabs on him since. Did he get a big move and struggle?

Had a great first season at Juve, got into the Euros squad and played brilliantly for Italy that summer. Then he did his cruciate around Xmas and only came back almost a full year later. So not sure if you'd consider him "injury prone", or just had one bad injury.  He was ace at the Euros though, but I've no idea if he's same the player now.

I think Juve paid something like 50m euros for him so I don't see them selling unless it's a chunk more than that, unless they know he's knackered...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 22, 2023, 11:47:09 PM
			

			

				I watched that All or Nothing style Juventus thing on Prime, it covered the season he was out recovering from his ACL, so focused on him quite a lot.

He seems level-headed, grounded and worked very hard to get fit.

There's no way he's coming here, he'll have much better offers.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on June 22, 2023, 11:53:05 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 22, 2023, 11:22:45 PM
I do wonder how likely he is to want to come here, though.

Starting to find myself thinking we're going after players who don't want to come here.

True, but if we can land one or two of that calibre then it sews the seed in the minds of others that we are a serious proposition.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 23, 2023, 12:09:59 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: tomd2103 on June 22, 2023, 11:53:05 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 22, 2023, 11:22:45 PM
I do wonder how likely he is to want to come here, though.

Starting to find myself thinking we're going after players who don't want to come here.

True, but if we can land one or two of that calibre then it sews the seed in the minds of others that we are a serious proposition.

Unless we don't land any of them,
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on June 23, 2023, 12:29:44 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on June 22, 2023, 08:36:43 PM
Quote from: Steve67 on June 22, 2023, 08:33:53 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on June 22, 2023, 07:47:33 PM
Meunièr being linked 

Presumably a right full back?

Yup. But the sort of right-back that can also drop into a back three or midfield.

Plus knows Donk and Tielemans from Belgium. And tall, which we're very much not at the moment. 

I'd be pretty comfortable with it.

Have a look at his injury record, it’s diabolical. Makes Coutinho look robust.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 23, 2023, 09:11:14 AM
			

			

				I think most of you have mirrored my thoughts on seeing the link this morning. Fantastic player, one of the best at euro 21 but is he realistic at this stage? A bit like Asensio. Also there's the injury. 

Then again, like most of the links i don't take them too seriously anyway until one of the few credible journos start tweeting.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: rob_bridge on June 23, 2023, 09:13:18 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on June 23, 2023, 12:29:44 AM
Quote from: Dave on June 22, 2023, 08:36:43 PM
Quote from: Steve67 on June 22, 2023, 08:33:53 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on June 22, 2023, 07:47:33 PM
Meunièr being linked 

Presumably a right full back?

Yup. But the sort of right-back that can also drop into a back three or midfield.

Plus knows Donk and Tielemans from Belgium. And tall, which we're very much not at the moment. 

I'd be pretty comfortable with it.

Have a look at his injury record, it’s diabolical. Makes Coutinho look robust.

Yes a good player when he plays. A very rubbish one when he doesn't, which is more often than not.

To me right back is a key position for upgrade - Cash hasn't been up to level required to kick on for best part of 18 months. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smithy on June 23, 2023, 09:15:35 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 23, 2023, 12:09:59 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on June 22, 2023, 11:53:05 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 22, 2023, 11:22:45 PM
I do wonder how likely he is to want to come here, though.

Starting to find myself thinking we're going after players who don't want to come here.

True, but if we can land one or two of that calibre then it sews the seed in the minds of others that we are a serious proposition.

Unless we don't land any of them,

I guarantee we won't sign any of them if we don't at least try.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on June 23, 2023, 09:17:44 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 22, 2023, 11:13:14 PM
Insanely attractive Mrs. Even by footballer standards. 

Pictures man, pictures. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 23, 2023, 09:18:32 AM
			

			

				We do need a right back, and a good one but good right backs aren't the players that ultimately win you things. Players like Chiesa are, although they do need to be fit and want to come here which is two big if's.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on June 23, 2023, 09:43:04 AM
			

			

				From what I read, we offered 60m euros to Juve for Chiesa and it was the player that turned the move down. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Holy Trinity on June 23, 2023, 10:14:18 AM
			

			

				Heard a whisper this morning about a premier league free transfer.
Don't know who but I thinks it's at academy level. Any good kids we might be hoovering up? 

Could it be that lad who's just left united?

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on June 23, 2023, 10:15:43 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on June 23, 2023, 09:43:04 AM
From what I read, we offered 60m euros to Juve for Chiesa and it was the player that turned the move down. 

Where did you hear this, in a cafe in Torino?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on June 23, 2023, 10:29:51 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on June 23, 2023, 10:15:43 AM
Quote from: OCD on June 23, 2023, 09:43:04 AM
From what I read, we offered 60m euros to Juve for Chiesa and it was the player that turned the move down. 

Where did you hear this, in a cafe in Torino?

A story on NewsNow last night. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on June 23, 2023, 10:56:38 AM
			

			

				Good, I'd trust that more than some jumped-up, entitled Juve tifosi.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: UK Redsox on June 23, 2023, 12:34:12 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Holy Trinity on June 23, 2023, 10:14:18 AM
Heard a whisper this morning about a premier league free transfer.



Announce Tom Davies ;)


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 23, 2023, 12:39:20 PM
			

			

				You do get the feeling that the story of this summer might be that the predators in the waters we are fishing in are just too big, which is lucky we have a top manager because I think he's going to have to squeeze the maximum amount of talent out of players a rung below the level of who we might want.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 23, 2023, 12:40:26 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: UK Redsox on June 23, 2023, 12:34:12 PM
Quote from: Holy Trinity on June 23, 2023, 10:14:18 AM
Heard a whisper this morning about a premier league free transfer.

Announce Tom Davies ;)

As if we don't have enough "fashion" related woes at B6. :(
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on June 23, 2023, 12:47:00 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on June 23, 2023, 12:39:20 PM
You do get the feeling that the story of this summer might be that the predators in the waters we are fishing in are just too big, which is lucky we have a top manager because I think he's going to have to squeeze the maximum amount of talent out of players a rung below the level of what we might want.

I'm not so sure. We're still very early in the transfer window in real terms and that gives a lot of players time to see what other options there are, as we get into mid-late July a lot of the players who are saying no or stalling right now might realise we're a good option after all and things start to move. Ths is the main reason why so much of the business happens late in the window (I think it's something like half of all transfers are in the last 5 days on average).
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on June 23, 2023, 01:11:31 PM
			

			

				The Athletic are saying we're interested in Tyler Adams. I've seen us linked to him countless times but it's the first time one of the more reputable, more credible sources have said so. 

He would be a good alternative for Kamara. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on June 23, 2023, 01:12:51 PM
			

			

				We aren't offering Champions League yet but the vision in the playing side appears clear, that's what we're aiming for. As we're in the next tier, with the manager, DoF and owners we have, we become very attractive. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 23, 2023, 01:21:03 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on June 23, 2023, 12:47:00 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on June 23, 2023, 12:39:20 PM
You do get the feeling that the story of this summer might be that the predators in the waters we are fishing in are just too big, which is lucky we have a top manager because I think he's going to have to squeeze the maximum amount of talent out of players a rung below the level of what we might want.

I'm not so sure. We're still very early in the transfer window in real terms and that gives a lot of players time to see what other options there are, as we get into mid-late July a lot of the players who are saying no or stalling right now might realise we're a good option after all and things start to move. Ths is the main reason why so much of the business happens late in the window (I think it's something like half of all transfers are in the last 5 days on average).

I agree that my opinion is based on close to fuck all and I didn't expect many transfers early on, they almost never are. Just gut instinct/pessimism. Hoping you are right, Paul.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: rob_bridge on June 23, 2023, 01:27:19 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on June 23, 2023, 01:12:51 PM
We aren't offering Champions League yet but the vision in the playing side appears clear, that's what we're aiming for. As we're in the next tier, with the manager, DoF and owners we have, we become very attractive.

Yes we are where we were in 2007 / 2008 but this time with a manager who has imagination, flexibility and moves with the times
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on June 23, 2023, 01:29:45 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on June 23, 2023, 01:11:31 PM
The Athletic are saying we're interested in Tyler Adams. I've seen us linked to him countless times but it's the first time one of the more reputable, more credible sources have said so. 

He would be a good alternative for Kamara. 

Not for me, I'm not sure he'd be much of an upgrade on Donk. I know Leeds were a bit of a car crash last year but even accounting for that he never stood out as clearly capable of playing a much higher standard and more importantly if we add cover for Kamara/replace Donk it needs to be someone with a bit more physicality to their game.

I love the midfielders we have now but Ramsey, Luis, McGinn and Tielemans are all a bit small. Kamara and Donk are the only ones with any real aerial presence so we can't afford to lose that by replacing Donk with another 5'7-5'8 option.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on June 23, 2023, 03:17:48 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on June 23, 2023, 01:29:45 PM
Quote from: OCD on June 23, 2023, 01:11:31 PM
The Athletic are saying we're interested in Tyler Adams. I've seen us linked to him countless times but it's the first time one of the more reputable, more credible sources have said so. 

He would be a good alternative for Kamara. 

Not for me, I'm not sure he'd be much of an upgrade on Donk. I know Leeds were a bit of a car crash last year but even accounting for that he never stood out as clearly capable of playing a much higher standard and more importantly if we add cover for Kamara/replace Donk it needs to be someone with a bit more physicality to their game.

I love the midfielders we have now but Ramsey, Luis, McGinn and Tielemans are all a bit small. Kamara and Donk are the only ones with any real aerial presence so we can't afford to lose that by replacing Donk with another 5'7-5'8 option.

I would feel much better if we had a more physical midfielder in the squad too. McGinn punches above his weight, and we don’t really have anyone else who chucks his weight around and frustrates the opposition.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: frank black on June 23, 2023, 03:28:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on June 23, 2023, 03:17:48 PM
Quote from: paul_e on June 23, 2023, 01:29:45 PM
Quote from: OCD on June 23, 2023, 01:11:31 PM
The Athletic are saying we're interested in Tyler Adams. I've seen us linked to him countless times but it's the first time one of the more reputable, more credible sources have said so. 

He would be a good alternative for Kamara. 

Not for me, I'm not sure he'd be much of an upgrade on Donk. I know Leeds were a bit of a car crash last year but even accounting for that he never stood out as clearly capable of playing a much higher standard and more importantly if we add cover for Kamara/replace Donk it needs to be someone with a bit more physicality to their game.

I love the midfielders we have now but Ramsey, Luis, McGinn and Tielemans are all a bit small. Kamara and Donk are the only ones with any real aerial presence so we can't afford to lose that by replacing Donk with another 5'7-5'8 option.

I would feel much better if we had a more physical midfielder in the squad too. McGinn punches above his weight, and we don’t really have anyone else who chucks his weight around and frustrates the opposition.

Isn’t that what Tyler Adam’s does?, from what I’ve seen of him. Seems a decent squad addition and definitely better than Dendonker IMO
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on June 23, 2023, 03:38:50 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on June 23, 2023, 01:29:45 PM
Quote from: OCD on June 23, 2023, 01:11:31 PM
The Athletic are saying we're interested in Tyler Adams. I've seen us linked to him countless times but it's the first time one of the more reputable, more credible sources have said so. 

He would be a good alternative for Kamara. 

Not for me, I'm not sure he'd be much of an upgrade on Donk. I know Leeds were a bit of a car crash last year but even accounting for that he never stood out as clearly capable of playing a much higher standard and more importantly if we add cover for Kamara/replace Donk it needs to be someone with a bit more physicality to their game.

I love the midfielders we have now but Ramsey, Luis, McGinn and Tielemans are all a bit small. Kamara and Donk are the only ones with any real aerial presence so we can't afford to lose that by replacing Donk with another 5'7-5'8 option.

Adams is a lot more mobile than Dendoncker, and quicker too. But he is small-ish, I'd like to see a player of the Donk's stature but with a much better all round game.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on June 23, 2023, 03:38:58 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: frank black on June 23, 2023, 03:28:17 PM
Quote from: Dogtanian on June 23, 2023, 03:17:48 PM
Quote from: paul_e on June 23, 2023, 01:29:45 PM
Quote from: OCD on June 23, 2023, 01:11:31 PM
The Athletic are saying we're interested in Tyler Adams. I've seen us linked to him countless times but it's the first time one of the more reputable, more credible sources have said so. 

He would be a good alternative for Kamara. 

Not for me, I'm not sure he'd be much of an upgrade on Donk. I know Leeds were a bit of a car crash last year but even accounting for that he never stood out as clearly capable of playing a much higher standard and more importantly if we add cover for Kamara/replace Donk it needs to be someone with a bit more physicality to their game.

I love the midfielders we have now but Ramsey, Luis, McGinn and Tielemans are all a bit small. Kamara and Donk are the only ones with any real aerial presence so we can't afford to lose that by replacing Donk with another 5'7-5'8 option.

I would feel much better if we had a more physical midfielder in the squad too. McGinn punches above his weight, and we don’t really have anyone else who chucks his weight around and frustrates the opposition.

Isn’t that what Tyler Adam’s does?, from what I’ve seen of him. Seems a decent squad addition and definitely better than Dendonker IMO

he's 5'9 and would be replacing someone who's 6'1 in a squad that is pretty small other than a few big defenders and Duran. Height isn't the be all and end all, good players are always welcome, I'm just not sure Adams is such a good player that you'd ignore the fact that he'd be the shortest player in our midfield.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: wolfman999 on June 23, 2023, 04:30:16 PM
			

			

				Scholes saying he can't understand why no 'big' clubs are interested in JJ. Fucking tosser. Sums up why I detest that club and everything about it. Absolutely no respect for other clubs or their players, ever since red nose was in charge.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on June 23, 2023, 04:40:31 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: wolfman999 on June 23, 2023, 04:30:16 PM
Scholes saying he can't understand why no 'big' clubs are interested in JJ. Fucking tosser. Sums up why I detest that club and everything about it. Absolutely no respect for other clubs or their players, ever since red nose was in charge.

And the rest of the world can't understand why Yanited spend hundreds of millions of pounds on wide-forwards and can't get it right. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Paul.S on June 23, 2023, 04:42:03 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: wolfman999 on June 23, 2023, 04:30:16 PM
Scholes saying he can't understand why no 'big' clubs are interested in JJ. Fucking tosser. Sums up why I detest that club and everything about it. Absolutely no respect for other clubs or their players, ever since red nose was in charge.
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Let’s see what they say when they’re taken over by Qatar. Will they protest then or will they keep quiet and take the Qatari cash without so much as a whimper? I reckon I know what’ll happen.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ads on June 23, 2023, 04:50:55 PM
			

			

				He licks his daughters toes, the fucking weirdo.

In for Tyler Adams apparently. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on June 23, 2023, 04:56:12 PM
			

			

				He couldn't play wide either like Super John or JJ, the miserable prick
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 23, 2023, 05:43:29 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ads on June 23, 2023, 04:50:55 PM
In for Tyler Adams apparently. 

Can't see anything happening until the EPL approve the new Leeds owners. Earliest next week.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on June 23, 2023, 06:44:31 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ads on June 23, 2023, 04:50:55 PM
He licks his daughters toes, the fucking weirdo.

In for Tyler Adams apparently. 

Eeew!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on June 23, 2023, 07:07:16 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: wolfman999 on June 23, 2023, 04:30:16 PM
Scholes saying he can't understand why no 'big' clubs are interested in JJ. Fucking tosser. Sums up why I detest that club and everything about it. Absolutely no respect for other clubs or their players, ever since red nose was in charge.

Bar being an ex player, what has Scholes got to do with his old club these days? He's one (maybe the only one) of their ex players that isn't shy about putting in the boot into that club on occasion. To be honest I've always thought Scholes seemed one of the soundest ex pros out there. Undoubtedly there will be interest from the likes of his ex club and other regular CL clubs in many of our players. But I'd like to think Ramsey will be sensible enough to continue his development at Villa Park. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on June 23, 2023, 07:11:59 PM
			

			

				damn.. Chelsea got Nicolas Jackson for a good price. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: jwarry on June 23, 2023, 07:16:42 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: villadelph on June 23, 2023, 07:11:59 PM
damn.. Chelsea got Nicolas Jackson for a good price. 
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Where did you see that? Nothing in the usual places
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on June 23, 2023, 07:19:45 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: jwarry on June 23, 2023, 07:16:42 PM
Quote from: villadelph on June 23, 2023, 07:11:59 PM
damn.. Chelsea got Nicolas Jackson for a good price. 
\

Where did you see that? Nothing in the usual places

https://metro.co.uk/2023/06/23/chelsea-agree-nicolas-jackson-transfer-prepare-bid-arsenal-target-19003763/
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on June 23, 2023, 07:26:20 PM
			

			

				..and Newcastle manage to lure Tonali. 

Can we get some business going so I don’t have to hear about this shirt sponsor and badge nonsense. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villatillidie25 on June 23, 2023, 07:55:24 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: jwarry on June 23, 2023, 07:16:42 PM
Quote from: villadelph on June 23, 2023, 07:11:59 PM
damn.. Chelsea got Nicolas Jackson for a good price. 
\

Where did you see that? Nothing in the usual places

Price was agreed about a week ago I think 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 23, 2023, 08:22:43 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: villadelph on June 23, 2023, 07:11:59 PM
damn.. Chelsea got Nicolas Jackson for a good price.

Shit.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AlexAlexCropley on June 23, 2023, 09:40:50 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: villadelph on June 23, 2023, 07:11:59 PM
damn.. Chelsea got Nicolas Jackson for a good price.
Is he on a 20 year contract?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Matt C on June 23, 2023, 10:30:45 PM
			

			

				Jackson had a release clause didn’t he? 

Probably a joke about a bidding war here somewhere 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on June 23, 2023, 10:50:22 PM
			

			

				He’ll be available in a season or two for about the same price. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ldavfc4eva on June 24, 2023, 07:41:03 AM
			

			

				Tenuous link saying we are preparing a £50m bid for Federico Chiesa the Juventus winger/forward 


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on June 24, 2023, 08:04:20 AM
			

			

				He’s a brilliant player, but I severely doubt he’d come here.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ldavfc4eva on June 24, 2023, 08:41:24 AM
			

			

				I doubt it too, although I think we will sign at least one player this summer who makes us think “wow”.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 24, 2023, 09:15:07 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ldavfc4eva on June 24, 2023, 08:41:24 AM
I doubt it too, although I think we will sign at least one player this summer who makes us think “wow”.

I reckon Tielemans is on the edge of that, especially considering the money involved.  12-18 months ago he was being linked with some of the worlds biggest clubs.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: N'ZMAV on June 24, 2023, 10:01:36 AM
			

			

				we need a forward, a right back and one wide player - as Coutinho will likely be moved on. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 24, 2023, 10:05:23 AM
			

			

				I want him to stay but Coutinho strikes me as exactly the sort of player the Saudis would be interested in. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 24, 2023, 10:31:14 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 24, 2023, 10:05:23 AM
I want him to stay but Coutinho strikes me as exactly the sort of player the Saudis would be interested in. 

I feel a bit conflicted wanting them to offer us stupid money. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 24, 2023, 10:35:08 AM
			

			

				Regarding the “wow” signing, I’m still holding out for Felix.  Controversial suggestion, but I think Havertz would be a decent alternative.  

Both can playing in the space behind Watkins and offers something different to Archer/Bailey/Buendia.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on June 24, 2023, 11:12:38 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 24, 2023, 10:35:08 AM
Regarding the “wow” signing, I’m still holding out for Felix.  Controversial suggestion, but I think Havertz would be a decent alternative.  

Both can playing in the space behind Watkins and offers something different to Archer/Bailey/Buendia.
Never been convinced by Havertz just doesn’t do enough and is sometimes completely  anonymous. Certainly not what Arse need.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on June 24, 2023, 11:17:50 AM
			

			

				Tielemans is a great signing, and like Kamara a brilliant bit of business for free. Whilst I'd obviously like all signings to cost nothing, I hope we're not just limiting ourselves to looking round for freebies. If we need to soend £50m+ on a player, I hope we're in a position to do just that.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on June 24, 2023, 12:15:55 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 24, 2023, 10:05:23 AM
I want him to stay but Coutinho strikes me as exactly the sort of player the Saudis would be interested in.

I’d happily cash in, would back Unai to find a player who can actually stay fit to give Buendia proper competition.  Coutinho has a lot of class but no point if he can only play 20 games a season 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on June 24, 2023, 12:53:03 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Gareth on June 24, 2023, 12:15:55 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 24, 2023, 10:05:23 AM
I want him to stay but Coutinho strikes me as exactly the sort of player the Saudis would be interested in.

I’d happily cash in, would back Unai to find a player who can actually stay fit to give Buendia proper competition.  Coutinho has a lot of class but no point if he can only play 20 games a season 

I think 20 games is being very optimistic. I’ve no doubt he would be better under Emery but because of his lack of availability and his likely high wages i think if we get a chance to move him on, especially to SA, who would pay a decent fee, we should take it if we’ve got a replacement lined up.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on June 24, 2023, 01:28:12 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 24, 2023, 09:15:07 AM
Quote from: ldavfc4eva on June 24, 2023, 08:41:24 AM
I doubt it too, although I think we will sign at least one player this summer who makes us think “wow”.

I reckon Tielemans is on the edge of that, especially considering the money involved.  12-18 months ago he was being linked with some of the worlds biggest clubs.

Good signing but he’s not on the edge of it for me

Whilst he is a great addition, most of us don’t think he starts in our midfield as it stands
I think a Wow signing walks into our first team

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on June 24, 2023, 01:31:35 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on June 24, 2023, 11:17:50 AM
Tielemans is a great signing, and like Kamara a brilliant bit of business for free. Whilst I'd obviously like all signings to cost nothing, I hope we're not just limiting ourselves to looking round for freebies. If we need to soend £50m+ on a player, I hope we're in a position to do just that.


Do you know what, I think we are ready to splash the cash for the right player

Some of the links are with elite type players and we are struggling to entice them to Villa Park at the moment, but I’m sure we will pay up when the time comes

My fear is that we are linked with some super players around Europe. I just don’t want to end up with Oxlade-Chamberlain or some player from Leeds etc as the sum total of our efforts

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on June 24, 2023, 01:37:59 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: john e on June 24, 2023, 01:31:35 PM
Quote from: Risso on June 24, 2023, 11:17:50 AM
Tielemans is a great signing, and like Kamara a brilliant bit of business for free. Whilst I'd obviously like all signings to cost nothing, I hope we're not just limiting ourselves to looking round for freebies. If we need to soend £50m+ on a player, I hope we're in a position to do just that.


Do you know what, I think we are ready to splash the cash for the right player

Some of the links are with elite type players and we are struggling to entice them to Villa Park at the moment, but I’m sure we will pay up when the time comes

My fear is that we are linked with some super players around Europe. I just don’t want to end up with Oxlade-Chamberlain or some player from Leeds etc as the sum total of our efforts

I think you might be right John, I suspect the awareness of our progress in this country is there but players in other leagues will just see a club who snuck 7th and are playing in 3rd tier European competition….Emery is our trump card and hopefully the prospect of working for him will snare 1 or 2 star players.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RamboandBruno on June 24, 2023, 01:39:07 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: john e on June 24, 2023, 01:31:35 PM
Quote from: Risso on June 24, 2023, 11:17:50 AM
Tielemans is a great signing, and like Kamara a brilliant bit of business for free. Whilst I'd obviously like all signings to cost nothing, I hope we're not just limiting ourselves to looking round for freebies. If we need to soend £50m+ on a player, I hope we're in a position to do just that.


Do you know what, I think we are ready to splash the cash for the right player

Some of the links are with elite type players and we are struggling to entice them to Villa Park at the moment, but I’m sure we will pay up when the time comes

My fear is that we are linked with some super players around Europe. I just don’t want to end up with Oxlade-Chamberlain or some player from Leeds etc as the sum total of our efforts

Chiesa would be a wow signing for me, but from you read he doesn’t want to come….yet anyway. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on June 24, 2023, 01:50:56 PM
			

			

				Chiesa would certainly be a sign of intent. Reports suggesting Juve want just over £50m which in todays market is a reasonable fee, thought he would command a higher fee. Someone of that ilk would really turn heads and be akin to when Man City got Robinho.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SamTheMouse on June 24, 2023, 01:54:36 PM
			

			

				There's absolutely no point signing (or keeping, for that matter) players who regularly miss chunks of the season through injury. It's a huge waste of money and fucks up stability.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: jwarry on June 24, 2023, 02:17:33 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Gareth on June 24, 2023, 01:37:59 PM
Quote from: john e on June 24, 2023, 01:31:35 PM
Quote from: Risso on June 24, 2023, 11:17:50 AM
Tielemans is a great signing, and like Kamara a brilliant bit of business for free. Whilst I'd obviously like all signings to cost nothing, I hope we're not just limiting ourselves to looking round for freebies. If we need to soend £50m+ on a player, I hope we're in a position to do just that.


Do you know what, I think we are ready to splash the cash for the right player

Some of the links are with elite type players and we are struggling to entice them to Villa Park at the moment, but I’m sure we will pay up when the time comes

My fear is that we are linked with some super players around Europe. I just don’t want to end up with Oxlade-Chamberlain or some player from Leeds etc as the sum total of our efforts

I think you might be right John, I suspect the awareness of our progress in this country is there but players in other leagues will just see a club who snuck 7th and are playing in 3rd tier European competition….Emery is our trump card and hopefully the prospect of working for him will snare 1 or 2 star players.

I would agree except why do top players still keep going to Chelsea? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: enigma on June 24, 2023, 03:00:42 PM
			

			

				I'd love it if we signed Chiesa but we've got no chance. He'll have his pick of elite clubs to choose from.

Have to wonder why Juve are willing to sell though, and why so cheap? Was his injury worse than we thought?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: N'ZMAV on June 24, 2023, 03:02:51 PM
			

			

				a problem is; it's difficult to predict who this big signing could be - too many clickbait articles and people who make up ITK bullshit - you can't see the woods for the trees.... but, as usual, we'll surprise everyone and pull a rabbit out of the hat. I trust the setup we have now.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: N'ZMAV on June 24, 2023, 03:03:55 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: enigma on June 24, 2023, 03:00:42 PM
I'd love it if we signed Chiesa but we've got no chance. He'll have his pick of elite clubs to choose from.

Have to wonder why Juve are willing to sell though, and why so cheap? Was his injury worse than we thought?
 he's not been the same since his injury, that's according to a few sites. He's an upgrade on Buendia and Bailey.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: enigma on June 24, 2023, 03:09:49 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: N'ZMAV on June 24, 2023, 03:03:55 PM
Quote from: enigma on June 24, 2023, 03:00:42 PM
I'd love it if we signed Chiesa but we've got no chance. He'll have his pick of elite clubs to choose from.

Have to wonder why Juve are willing to sell though, and why so cheap? Was his injury worse than we thought?
 he's not been the same since his injury, that's according to a few sites. He's an upgrade on Buendia and Bailey.
He absolutely would. He was on course to becoming one of the best in the world so I'd be gobsmacked if we got him. Be a real shame if the injury means he can never become as good as he could have been though.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Holy Trinity on June 24, 2023, 03:13:31 PM
			

			

				The reality is that we are a step below the top top clubs and as such are unlikely to attract the best players if one of the big boys ate after them.
Once the bigger clubs have made their moves and things settle we will see the right players coming in. I will be gobsmacked if we don't see a striker and coutinho/bailey replacement. But we are in a position now where the only obvious improvements are the players the champions league clubs hoover up as squad fillers.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 24, 2023, 04:27:47 PM
			

			

				Not sure I like the term ‘bigger clubs’. Prefer ‘recently successful’. I mean sure, there are some bigger clubs than us across Europe but many that may attract slightly better quality than us currently are not necessarily ‘bigger’.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Holy Trinity on June 24, 2023, 04:34:06 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on June 24, 2023, 04:27:47 PM
Not sure I like the term ‘bigger clubs’. Prefer ‘recently successful’. I mean sure, there are some bigger clubs than us across Europe but many that may attract slightly better quality than us currently are not necessarily ‘bigger’.

We can spin the term bigger clubs any way you like but the fact of the matter is no matter how we are perceived by our fans we are not even close to being considered one of the big teams in Europe. Off the top of my head all of the below fall comfortably into that bracket and most of the players we are trying to sign have never seen us do anything of note.

Man u 
Man city
Chelsea
Liverpool
Newcastle now they have been taken over but I personally dont class them as above us at the moment.
Arsenal
Real
Barca
Bayern
Dortmund kinda
PSG
Juventus 
Inter 
Ac 

The Italian clubs are debatable but have all achieved things.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on June 24, 2023, 07:08:09 PM
			

			

				We can very possibly offer higher wages than Dortmund/Juve/Inter/Milan. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 24, 2023, 07:31:32 PM
			

			

				Newcastle?

Considered one of the bigger clubs in Europe?

If you've spent all day taking too much sun whilst doing mushrooms the whole time, and are a Newcastle fan, maybe.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on June 24, 2023, 07:35:41 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on June 24, 2023, 07:08:09 PM
We can very possibly offer higher wages than Dortmund/Juve/Inter/Milan. 

Dortmund were paying him about £100k/week, which is why they're prepared to sell him for a small fee. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Holy Trinity on June 24, 2023, 07:38:58 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 24, 2023, 07:31:32 PM
Newcastle?

Considered one of the bigger clubs in Europe?

If you've spent all day taking too much sun whilst doing mushrooms the whole time, and are a Newcastle fan, maybe.

If you read what I said I don't consider them bigger than us but the narrative with Newcastle has always been.

"Greatest fans in the world"
"Everyone's second team"
"55000 through the door every week"
"Sleeping giant"

Plus Shearer being a pundit will help push there agenda. Newcastle aren't currently bigger than us but with FFP loopholes a d the attraction of champions league football they are today a bigger draw than us. 

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on June 24, 2023, 07:48:06 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 24, 2023, 07:31:32 PM
Newcastle?

Considered one of the bigger clubs in Europe?

Considered by a prospective signing to be a more attractive option than Villa, both financially and professionally at the moment?

I'd say that's a pretty uncontroversial opinion. Annoyingly. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 24, 2023, 08:03:55 PM
			

			

				That’s not what I was referring to:

“ no matter how we are perceived by our fans we are not even close to being considered one of the big teams in Europe. Off the top of my head all of the below fall comfortably into that bracket ”

Newcastle comfortably considered one of the big teams in Europe?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on June 24, 2023, 08:26:36 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 24, 2023, 08:03:55 PM
That’s not what I was referring to:

“ no matter how we are perceived by our fans we are not even close to being considered one of the big teams in Europe. Off the top of my head all of the below fall comfortably into that bracket ”

Newcastle comfortably considered one of the big teams in Europe?

yeah, with the caveat.. “ now they have been taken over but I personally dont class them as above us at the moment.”
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 24, 2023, 08:28:09 PM
			

			

				Don’t confuse rich with big.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on June 24, 2023, 09:16:49 PM
			

			

				There are 2 massive clubs in this country Man Utd and Liverpool they have a global support right across the world
Then there’s probably Arsenal 

But here’s the thing,
 after them there’s a load of clubs that are probably all pretty similar in size depending on their recent success and money rich owners
For instance, Chelsea and Man City arn’t even the biggest clubs in their own cities they are only perceived to be big  because they are rich

So my list of next tier big clubs, this changes all the time depending on where they happen to be at any point in time
Villa 
Everton
Man City
Spurs
Chelsea
Sunderland 
Newcastle 
Sheff Wed 

Imo 

Edit - going to slip Leeds onto my list while no one is looking




			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on June 24, 2023, 09:19:36 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: john e on June 24, 2023, 09:16:49 PM
There are 2 massive clubs in this country Man Utd and Liverpool they have a global support right across the world
Then there’s probably Arsenal 

But here’s the thing,
 after them there’s a load of clubs that are probably all pretty similar in size depending on their recent success and money rich owners
For instance, Chelsea and Man City arn’t even the biggest clubs in their own cities they are only perceived to be big  because they are rich

So my list of next tier big clubs, this changes all the time depending on where they happen to be at any point in time
Villa 
Everton
Man City
Spurs
Chelsea
Sunderland 
Newcastle 
Sheff Wed 

Imo

I would put Arsenal in the 2nd pot as they are another media wankfest over substance club but other than that wouldn’t argue with that list
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Londonvilla on June 24, 2023, 09:39:33 PM
			

			

				Get French Football News
@GFFN

Following the takeover from BlueCo, Strasbourg will have at least €25m to spend this summer and are hoping to make Morgan Sanson's (28) loan from Aston Villa permanent. (L'Éq)



So Chelsea buys into Strasbourg using Saudi Arabian money, and then Strasbourg buys Morgan Sanson from us. Small picture, we should get £5m; looking at the big picture, football has gone mad.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Londonvilla on June 24, 2023, 09:55:40 PM
			

			

				Don Mitchell
@Don7Mitchell
Excl: According to my sources in Kudus hometown Nima, his next destination will be either #BHAFC or #AFVC. 

Understand that both are going all-in to secure his move and the final decision should be made by next week.



Just do it....as long as its between  £20m to £25m
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 25, 2023, 07:49:43 AM
			

			

				Looks like we signed two youth players from Linfield. Also linked with yet another West Brom youth player (they must be getting annoyed with us now).
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: nigel on June 25, 2023, 08:37:31 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on June 24, 2023, 08:28:09 PM
Don’t confuse rich with big.

Agree
I don’t consider Chelsea as a ‘Big’ club.
Recently successful and rich, certainly, but I’d have Spurs down as a bigger club than them.

I actually think Newcastle are a big club, as too Sunderland, but I guess 1 club towns will always be that.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 25, 2023, 09:53:56 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: john e on June 24, 2023, 09:16:49 PM
There are 2 massive clubs in this country Man Utd and Liverpool they have a global support right across the world
Then there’s probably Arsenal 

But here’s the thing,
 after them there’s a load of clubs that are probably all pretty similar in size depending on their recent success and money rich owners
For instance, Chelsea and Man City arn’t even the biggest clubs in their own cities they are only perceived to be big  because they are rich

So my list of next tier big clubs, this changes all the time depending on where they happen to be at any point in time
Villa 
Everton
Man City
Spurs
Chelsea
Sunderland 
Newcastle 
Sheff Wed 

Imo

Exactly John re Man Utd and Liverpool then Arsenal. After that Spurs, us, Chelsea and Man City by now due to recent times, Everton and Newcastle (just). Then Sheff Wed, Sunderland, Forest, Leeds all similar. 

I think the 2 biggest things are history (not just trophies but things like seasons in top flight and runner ups) and supporter base. Then stadium and turnover but how fashionable clubs are in the media has no bearing and that’s worth remembering.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on June 25, 2023, 10:25:34 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on June 25, 2023, 07:49:43 AM
Looks like we signed two youth players from Linfield. Also linked with yet another West Brom youth player (they must be getting annoyed with us now).
 
Cole Brannigan & Callum Moreland from Linfield. 

Rico Richards from West Brom.

Brannigan is an attacking midfielder. 

Moreland is a centre back. 

Richards is a winger.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on June 25, 2023, 11:05:38 AM
			

			

				Richards is highly rated, think he was in the England u19 tournament last year with our 3
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villatillidie25 on June 25, 2023, 11:26:51 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: nigel on June 25, 2023, 08:37:31 AM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on June 24, 2023, 08:28:09 PM
Don’t confuse rich with big.

Agree
I don’t consider Chelsea as a ‘Big’ club.
Recently successful and rich, certainly, but I’d have Spurs down as a bigger club than them.

I actually think Newcastle are a big club, as too Sunderland, but I guess 1 club towns will always be that.

Unfortunately, Chelsea are a legitimately massive club now. They got there via oil money so it feels tarnished but they’ve won 2 European cups and countless other trophies over a 20 year period. They’re not some flash in the pan anymore. 
All this makes me feel sick to say mind you as they are the epitome of awful club awful fans. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Paul.S on June 25, 2023, 11:50:33 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Holy Trinity on June 24, 2023, 07:38:58 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 24, 2023, 07:31:32 PM
Newcastle?

Considered one of the bigger clubs in Europe?

If you've spent all day taking too much sun whilst doing mushrooms the whole time, and are a Newcastle fan, maybe.

If you read what I said I don't consider them bigger than us but the narrative with Newcastle has always been.

"Greatest fans in the world"
"Everyone's second team"
"55000 through the door every week"
"Sleeping giant"

Plus Shearer being a pundit will help push there agenda. Newcastle aren't currently bigger than us but with FFP loopholes a d the attraction of champions league football they are today a bigger draw than us.

Unfortunately the definition of a ‘big’ club is now measured by how much cash you spend and not by history or anything else. Todays media will push a club forward using this term no matter who owns them, as long as the money is there. I don’t like the term big club and hate the words big 6 even more. The game sold its soul years ago and the media turn a blind eye to where the cash is coming from unless it suits them. The super league threatened TV subscriptions and it was all out war, they even started paying attention to the 14 as they called it. Now, they’ve forgotten that and have reverted back to the norm.
We all know our club, the history of it and the importance it played in the football league. Don’t forget though that football did not begin until 1992 and pundits wouldn’t have a clue about anything that happened before then. We aren’t state owned and have owners who want to grow the club in the correct manner. That’ll do for me because it won’t be long before we force our way into competing for silverware. This club has class and always has had.

UTV
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SoccerHQ on June 25, 2023, 12:19:20 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: nigel on June 25, 2023, 08:37:31 AM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on June 24, 2023, 08:28:09 PM
Don’t confuse rich with big.

Agree
I don’t consider Chelsea as a ‘Big’ club.
Recently successful and rich, certainly, but I’d have Spurs down as a bigger club than them.

I actually think Newcastle are a big club, as too Sunderland, but I guess 1 club towns will always be that.

To any 20-25 year old player now Chelsea would be viewed as miles better club on account of what they've won in last 20 years and said player would've grown up watching them win multiple league titles and CLs.

No different to Man. United winning everything in the 90s and so you had generations of players wanting to join them.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 25, 2023, 12:20:51 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Paul.S on June 25, 2023, 11:50:33 AM
Quote from: Holy Trinity on June 24, 2023, 07:38:58 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 24, 2023, 07:31:32 PM
Newcastle?

Considered one of the bigger clubs in Europe?

If you've spent all day taking too much sun whilst doing mushrooms the whole time, and are a Newcastle fan, maybe.

If you read what I said I don't consider them bigger than us but the narrative with Newcastle has always been.

"Greatest fans in the world"
"Everyone's second team"
"55000 through the door every week"
"Sleeping giant"

Plus Shearer being a pundit will help push there agenda. Newcastle aren't currently bigger than us but with FFP loopholes a d the attraction of champions league football they are today a bigger draw than us.

Unfortunately the definition of a ‘big’ club is now measured by how much cash you spend and not by history or anything else. 

UTV

According to the media and anyone brain washed by it. The description you give is what i would call 'competitive club'. Most that follow their teams home and away for a long period can tell the difference when they're out there experiencing it rather than just watching Sky Sports, Sky Sports news and looking on their smart phone.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Paul.S on June 25, 2023, 12:56:52 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on June 25, 2023, 12:20:51 PM
Quote from: Paul.S on June 25, 2023, 11:50:33 AM
Quote from: Holy Trinity on June 24, 2023, 07:38:58 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 24, 2023, 07:31:32 PM
Newcastle?

Considered one of the bigger clubs in Europe?

If you've spent all day taking too much sun whilst doing mushrooms the whole time, and are a Newcastle fan, maybe.

If you read what I said I don't consider them bigger than us but the narrative with Newcastle has always been.

"Greatest fans in the world"
"Everyone's second team"
"55000 through the door every week"
"Sleeping giant"

Plus Shearer being a pundit will help push there agenda. Newcastle aren't currently bigger than us but with FFP loopholes a d the attraction of champions league football they are today a bigger draw than us.

Unfortunately the definition of a ‘big’ club is now measured by how much cash you spend and not by history or anything else. 

UTV

According to the media and anyone brain washed by it. The description you give is what i would call 'competitive club'. Most that follow their teams home and away for a long period can tell the difference when they're out there experiencing it rather than just watching Sky Sports, Sky Sports news and looking on their smart phone.

That’s a good term. We’ve not been competitive for some while, until now.
I’m surprised about how many people get drawn into the Sky hyped media drive. Most of us know it for what it is but there are millions who don’t. I couldn’t care less but their ambition is to promote a certain few clubs constantly. Although it doesn’t affect fans who just focus on their own clubs it does affect potential sponsors, kit sales etc. Would we get the coverage certain clubs get if we won some silverware, I very much doubt it as 81 and 82 showed at the time. I think the owners have seen this and have made the change to try and close the gap.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Richard E on June 25, 2023, 01:05:55 PM
			

			

				The phrase I hate is ‘Champions League Club’ as if that status is an immutable fact of nature and they’re a separate species.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Paul.S on June 25, 2023, 01:09:29 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Richard E on June 25, 2023, 01:05:55 PM
The phrase I hate is ‘Champions League Club’ as if that status is an immutable fact of nature and they’re a separate species.

Absolutely and the word ‘Champions’ has absolutely no meaning in that term for most of the clubs in it.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on June 25, 2023, 01:12:11 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Paul.S on June 25, 2023, 11:50:33 AM

Unfortunately the definition of a ‘big’ club is now measured by how much cash you spend and not by history or anything else. Todays media will push a club forward using this term no matter who owns them, as long as the money is there. 


And yet they still ignored us when we had the third wealthiest owners in the country. And 5th in the world. Before Bohely (sp?) picked up Chelsea. 

I remember an article that I saw from The Sun where they listed the top ten wealthiest owners in the Prem, basically so they could marvel over Newcastles new wealth, & at that time we should have been 3rd in the Prem on that list. 

So where did The Sun place us? 

One would think third, but we weren't even on the list. 

Think we are about 5th or 6th in the Prem & 8th in the world for wealthiest owners now. 

Although Im not 100% sure. 

We are definitely in the top ten of both. 

And the media has only just started paying attention after Emerys top 3 form run. 

So its not just about wealth...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Holy Trinity on June 25, 2023, 01:12:24 PM
			

			

				I love the debate but Endrick in Brazil doesn't have a chuffing clue who Aston Villa are other than maybe seeing us play teams on TV but he 100% knows who Man City are. History is history and I love our history and am proud of it but the true measure of a big club is trophies. I'm not talking about us winning everything back in the early 1900's or our more recent periods of success in the 80s and mid 90s. Constantly challenging for top trophies season on season for 20 years is why Chelsea are now a much bigger club than us. Man city have flown past us like it or not but they are a much bigger club than us now.

My kids don't have a choice they are supporting us like it or lump it but the best young players around the world don't yet dream of wearing our shirt and that was my point which has been skewed. The next Neymar in Brazil or Mbappe in France isn't getting all weak at the knees about us. So we are having to be patient in our search for players as a lot of our targets won't be seeing us as a guarantee of success.

I'll leave it there as I seem to have upset half of you because your version of big stretches back to 1900.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on June 25, 2023, 01:23:45 PM
			

			

				I just find the whole ‘big club’ debate pretty pointless.  In the days where people through the turnstiles was the main source of income, it may have been a relevant discussion, but the money in the game has changed that.  

Celtic and Rangers are probably two of the biggest clubs in Britain, but would struggle to compete with Championship clubs when it comes to attracting players.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: N'ZMAV on June 25, 2023, 01:24:27 PM
			

			

				this is pointless. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Paul.S on June 25, 2023, 01:33:59 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Holy Trinity on June 25, 2023, 01:12:24 PM
I love the debate but Endrick in Brazil doesn't have a chuffing clue who Aston Villa are other than maybe seeing us play teams on TV but he 100% knows who Man City are. History is history and I love our history and am proud of it but the true measure of a big club is trophies. I'm not talking about us winning everything back in the early 1900's or our more recent periods of success in the 80s and mid 90s. Constantly challenging for top trophies season on season for 20 years is why Chelsea are now a much bigger club than us. Man city have flown past us like it or not but they are a much bigger club than us now.

My kids don't have a choice they are supporting us like it or lump it but the best young players around the world don't yet dream of wearing our shirt and that was my point which has been skewed. The next Neymar in Brazil or Mbappe in France isn't getting all weak at the knees about us. So we are having to be patient in our search for players as a lot of our targets won't be seeing us as a guarantee of success.

I'll leave it there as I seem to have upset half of you because your version of big stretches back to 1900.

You’re right but they’ve pulled up that financial drawbridge now. There’ll be no club competing with the usual few on a regular basis no matter how much cash they have hence most trophies being shared about by the few in the last 20 years or so. Newcastle may have a financial boost due by being in the “European Cup” this year. They’ve a long, long way to go before they can compete regularly. 

Our best bet is to do what we are doing and invest in youth and trying to pick up players with potential. This is how it should be done by everyone and I’m glad that’s what we’re doing now. 

It’s the self interest of a few that’s ended true competition but in the history of the game I know where we stand and we didn’t have to buy our way there to achieve it.


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on June 25, 2023, 01:40:37 PM
			

			

				Christ we need a signing. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on June 25, 2023, 01:49:10 PM
			

			

				The big advantage we’ve always had over everybody else, apart from MU, Liv and Arse is if you take Arsenal being the biggest club in the South, Liverpool and Man United fight it out for the North we are the undisputed king of the Midlands

It’s a massive area of potential and one where people like Dave W and others have been saying we’ve never made the most of for decades

But we still remain the biggest club in the Midlands in the country’s second biggest city
One day the club wake up and realise it 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on June 25, 2023, 02:14:58 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: john e on June 25, 2023, 01:49:10 PM
The big advantage we’ve always had over everybody else, apart from MU, Liv and Arse is if you take Arsenal being the biggest club in the South, Liverpool and Man United fight it out for the North we are the undisputed king of the Midlands

It’s a massive area of potential and one where people like Dave W and others have been saying we’ve never made the most of for decades

But we still remain the biggest club in the Midlands in the country’s second biggest city
One day the club wake up and realise it 

I think we're on the cusp of actually doing so mate
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on June 25, 2023, 02:18:44 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Paul.S on June 25, 2023, 01:33:59 PM
Quote from: Holy Trinity on June 25, 2023, 01:12:24 PM
I love the debate but Endrick in Brazil doesn't have a chuffing clue who Aston Villa are other than maybe seeing us play teams on TV but he 100% knows who Man City are. History is history and I love our history and am proud of it but the true measure of a big club is trophies. I'm not talking about us winning everything back in the early 1900's or our more recent periods of success in the 80s and mid 90s. Constantly challenging for top trophies season on season for 20 years is why Chelsea are now a much bigger club than us. Man city have flown past us like it or not but they are a much bigger club than us now.

My kids don't have a choice they are supporting us like it or lump it but the best young players around the world don't yet dream of wearing our shirt and that was my point which has been skewed. The next Neymar in Brazil or Mbappe in France isn't getting all weak at the knees about us. So we are having to be patient in our search for players as a lot of our targets won't be seeing us as a guarantee of success.

I'll leave it there as I seem to have upset half of you because your version of big stretches back to 1900.

You’re right but they’ve pulled up that financial drawbridge now. There’ll be no club competing with the usual few on a regular basis no matter how much cash they have hence most trophies being shared about by the few in the last 20 years or so. Newcastle may have a financial boost due by being in the “European Cup” this year. They’ve a long, long way to go before they can compete regularly. 

Our best bet is to do what we are doing and invest in youth and trying to pick up players with potential. This is how it should be done by everyone and I’m glad that’s what we’re doing now. 

It’s the self interest of a few that’s ended true competition but in the history of the game I know where we stand and we didn’t have to buy our way there to achieve it.

I think our best bet in the immediate future might be using Unai Emery as our big draw and targeting quality players that have played for him before.  

Hopefully they can then take us in to a position where we can cast the net a bit further.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on June 25, 2023, 02:19:02 PM
			

			

				We've been the very definition of 'sleeping giant' and now this sleeping giant is starting to wake up. The way we're seen will start to change in the next few years. Those top players who choose to go elsewhere now, will think differently in another few years and we'll have moved on too.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on June 25, 2023, 02:42:37 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on June 25, 2023, 02:14:58 PM
Quote from: john e on June 25, 2023, 01:49:10 PM
The big advantage we’ve always had over everybody else, apart from MU, Liv and Arse is if you take Arsenal being the biggest club in the South, Liverpool and Man United fight it out for the North we are the undisputed king of the Midlands

It’s a massive area of potential and one where people like Dave W and others have been saying we’ve never made the most of for decades

But we still remain the biggest club in the Midlands in the country’s second biggest city
One day the club wake up and realise it 

I think we're on the cusp of actually doing so mate

I’m hopeful as well 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Astnor on June 25, 2023, 04:06:11 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on June 25, 2023, 01:40:37 PM
Christ we need a signing.
An exiting link from a reliable source will do.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 25, 2023, 04:26:42 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Astnor on June 25, 2023, 04:06:11 PM
Quote from: Steve67 on June 25, 2023, 01:40:37 PM
Christ we need a signing.

An exiting link from a reliable source will do.

Hopefully not Emi.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Mister E on June 25, 2023, 04:31:13 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pablo_picasso on June 25, 2023, 01:12:11 PM
Quote from: Paul.S on June 25, 2023, 11:50:33 AM
Unfortunately the definition of a ‘big’ club is now measured by how much cash you spend and not by history or anything else. Todays media will push a club forward using this term no matter who owns them, as long as the money is there. 

And yet they still ignored us when we had the third wealthiest owners in the country. And 5th in the world. Before Bohely (sp?) picked up Chelsea. 

I remember an article that I saw from The Sun where they listed the top ten wealthiest owners in the Prem, basically so they could marvel over Newcastles new wealth, & at that time we should have been 3rd in the Prem on that list. 
So where did The Sun place us? 
One would think third, but we weren't even on the list. 
Think we are about 5th or 6th in the Prem & 8th in the world for wealthiest owners now. 
Although Im not 100% sure. 
We are definitely in the top ten of both. 
And the media has only just started paying attention after Emerys top 3 form run. 
So its not just about wealth...
Maybe a more salient point is that we are not in the top 20 European clubs for revenue - we are way below where we should be in terms of generating revenue (particularly in non-football commercial funds).
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SamTheMouse on June 25, 2023, 04:32:43 PM
			

			

				The big club debate hinges entirely on the criteria used to define size. And since everyone uses different criteria, the debate is completely pointless.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 25, 2023, 05:02:52 PM
			

			

				I remember my first ever time walking to the Holte, aged nine, thinking “if this club can get into the to twenty in the world, revenue-wise, I’ll love them forever.”
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on June 25, 2023, 05:14:29 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: SamTheMouse on June 25, 2023, 04:32:43 PM
The big club debate hinges entirely on the criteria used to define size. And since everyone uses different criteria, the debate is completely pointless.

You just know though don’t you
All this criteria shit is nonsense you just know
Especially if you’ve been around football for a while you just know what a big club is and what it means 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on June 25, 2023, 05:27:49 PM
			

			

				Like pornography, you know it when you see it.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on June 25, 2023, 05:44:41 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on June 25, 2023, 05:02:52 PM
I remember my first ever time walking to the Holte, aged nine, thinking “if this club can get into the to twenty in the world, revenue-wise, I’ll love them forever.”

It’s what dreams are made of!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on June 25, 2023, 06:55:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on June 25, 2023, 05:02:52 PM
I remember my first ever time walking to the Holte, aged nine, thinking “if this club can get into the to twenty in the world, revenue-wise, I’ll love them forever.”
"Shit branding, my lord, shit branding 
Ohhhh lord, shit branding"

"My garden shed (my garden shed)
Gets more revenue (gets more revenue)
My garden shed gets more revenue
It's got a deckchair and a KitKat
My garden shed gets more revenue!"
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SamTheMouse on June 25, 2023, 07:00:08 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: john e on June 25, 2023, 05:14:29 PM
Quote from: SamTheMouse on June 25, 2023, 04:32:43 PM
The big club debate hinges entirely on the criteria used to define size. And since everyone uses different criteria, the debate is completely pointless.

You just know though don’t you
All this criteria shit is nonsense you just know
Especially if you’ve been around football for a while you just know what a big club is and what it means

Yeah I know what you mean. But I suspect we are old and don't get the same 'feeling in our water' as the younger generation!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 25, 2023, 07:56:46 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: algy on June 25, 2023, 06:55:18 PM
"Shit branding, my lord, shit branding 
Ohhhh lord, shit branding"

"My garden shed (my garden shed)
Gets more revenue (gets more revenue)
My garden shed gets more revenue
It's got a deckchair and a KitKat
My garden shed gets more revenue!"

"The tills are ringing for the claret and blue"
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AlexAlexCropley on June 25, 2023, 08:09:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on June 25, 2023, 07:56:46 PM
Quote from: algy on June 25, 2023, 06:55:18 PM
"Shit branding, my lord, shit branding 
Ohhhh lord, shit branding"

"My garden shed (my garden shed)
Gets more revenue (gets more revenue)
My garden shed gets more revenue
It's got a deckchair and a KitKat
My garden shed gets more revenue!"

"The tills are ringing for the claret and azure"
Fixed
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on June 25, 2023, 10:06:07 PM
			

			

				Should get a pool going as to when our next incoming transfer will be completed (senior players only). I'll go for the 6th July. Just seems that as far as days of the week go, Thursday must be the day where most business gets done, for us anyway. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on June 25, 2023, 10:11:05 PM
			

			

				I reckon we'll go for Smith-Rowe, they're signing Havertz and have bought Trossard too.

I think he'll come too with Emery here, and it would be a good move
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on June 25, 2023, 10:20:36 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on June 25, 2023, 05:02:52 PM
I remember my first ever time walking to the Holte, aged nine, thinking “if this club can get into the to twenty in the world, revenue-wise, I’ll love them forever.”

Ha! I get your point, but during my time following the club we just haven't been able to push on to that next level and I think a part of the reason why has been the commercial and revenue side of the club.  The mid 90's was probably the biggest missed opportunity.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on June 25, 2023, 10:32:07 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on June 25, 2023, 10:11:05 PM
I reckon we'll go for Smith-Rowe, they're signing Havertz and have bought Trossard too.

I think he'll come too with Emery here, and it would be a good move

He's said this week he wants to stay at Arsenal and will unless Arteta doesn't want him. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bad English on June 25, 2023, 11:04:45 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AlexAlexCropley on June 25, 2023, 08:09:17 PM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on June 25, 2023, 07:56:46 PM
Quote from: algy on June 25, 2023, 06:55:18 PM
"Shit branding, my lord, shit branding 
Ohhhh lord, shit branding"

"My garden shed (my garden shed)
Gets more revenue (gets more revenue)
My garden shed gets more revenue
It's got a deckchair and a KitKat
My garden shed gets more revenue!"

"The tills are ringing for the claret and azure"
Fixed
Where the Villa is ARE showing...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on June 26, 2023, 12:01:46 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on June 25, 2023, 10:32:07 PM
Quote from: LeeB on June 25, 2023, 10:11:05 PM
I reckon we'll go for Smith-Rowe, they're signing Havertz and have bought Trossard too.

I think he'll come too with Emery here, and it would be a good move

He's said this week he wants to stay at Arsenal and will unless Arteta doesn't want him. 

Maybe he doesn’t want him, he doesn’t play him and he’s signing players in his position

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on June 26, 2023, 01:36:19 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Monty on June 25, 2023, 05:27:49 PM
Like pornography, you know it when you see it.

My Marilyn, come to my slum for an hour.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on June 26, 2023, 10:55:16 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on June 25, 2023, 05:02:52 PM
I remember my first ever time walking to the Holte, aged nine, thinking “if this club can get into the to twenty in the world, revenue-wise, I’ll love them forever.”
Unfortunately, a lot of Midlands youngsters are already donning Man City and Liverpool kits before they ever get a chance to walk to the Holte.  The higher our profile the more chance of that love affair happening. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on June 26, 2023, 10:57:55 AM
			

			

				Smith-Rowe was someone Lange identified. Monchi/Emery might not even be interested in him if he was available. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 26, 2023, 11:02:09 AM
			

			

				The Pau Torres links are still around, as are links to Laporte at Man City. I find it strange that we so strongly linked to Left sided centre backs when Mings was so good last season. I get we need a strong squad, but right back and wingers are surely where we are weakest.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on June 26, 2023, 11:04:16 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on June 25, 2023, 07:56:46 PM
Quote from: algy on June 25, 2023, 06:55:18 PM
"Shit branding, my lord, shit branding 
Ohhhh lord, shit branding"

"My garden shed (my garden shed)
Gets more revenue (gets more revenue)
My garden shed gets more revenue
It's got a deckchair and a KitKat
My garden shed gets more revenue!"

"The tills are ringing for the claret and blue"
Queue up if you want a pie.
Queue up if you want a pie.


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on June 26, 2023, 11:17:02 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on June 26, 2023, 11:02:09 AM
The Pau Torres links are still around, as are links to Laporte at Man City. I find it strange that we so strongly linked to Left sided centre backs when Mings was so good last season. I get we need a strong squad, but right back and wingers are surely where we are weakest.

Imagine if Ty had a Diego Carlos style injury in the second game of the season though. Losing him for any length of time would hit us massively. So I can see why we want another top level left sided centre back. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on June 26, 2023, 11:25:58 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on June 26, 2023, 11:17:02 AM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on June 26, 2023, 11:02:09 AM
The Pau Torres links are still around, as are links to Laporte at Man City. I find it strange that we so strongly linked to Left sided centre backs when Mings was so good last season. I get we need a strong squad, but right back and wingers are surely where we are weakest.

Imagine if Ty had a Diego Carlos style injury in the second game of the season though. Losing him for any length of time would hit us massively. So I can see why we want another top level left sided centre back. 

Big problem with that for where we are at the moment is we’ll struggle to get a top level player to come and play second fiddle to Tyrone Mings
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on June 26, 2023, 11:38:31 AM
			

			

				I think the idea is for there to be genuine competition for places and being able to rotate without lowering the standard. 

Emery's a huge fan of Pau Torres so I'm not surprised we really want him. There's been talk this weekend that we may activate his release clause. That we're prepared to spend that much on him may be a bit surprising. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 26, 2023, 11:49:43 AM
			

			

				I think we need to stop thinking in terms of players playing second fiddle and others being automatic starters etc etc. 

We need better players than we have now to improve the squad. 

From that pool of players we pick the team to suit the match and opponents. 

Nobody should be an automatic starter and everyone needs other quality players to compete for their place with. 

We should be able to look at our bench, and see all spaces full with just the one keeper ideally and with quality options to come on if needed. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on June 26, 2023, 11:52:38 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on June 26, 2023, 10:57:55 AM
Smith-Rowe was someone Lange identified. Monchi/Emery might not even be interested in him if he was available. 

Maybe, but don't forget that it was Emery who added him to their first team squad so he clearly saw something in him. Personally I'd have him top of the list if we we're going for an English wide player, I think he'd be a very good fit for the role that Ramsey has been playing but also both of them would work more central so they could easily play together. I'd be pretty happy with our depth across midfield and attacking midfield if we added him and that'd leave us needing a forward/winger(I'd prefer 1 player who covers both to leave room for Archer in the squad), option at right back and backup keeper and I'd be happy.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 26, 2023, 12:00:52 PM
			

			

				Not just quality options, but quality game-changing options. Somebody a long while back once talked of how with the use of the bench in Rugby these days there's starters and there's finishers. That's what I want to see, players we can bring on to turn the screws or see us home. And with a bit of dash, bit of elan, something more imaginative than simply bringing on A. N. Otherbody to shore things up in the middle of the park.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on June 26, 2023, 12:08:56 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ChicagoLion on June 26, 2023, 11:04:16 AM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on June 25, 2023, 07:56:46 PM
Quote from: algy on June 25, 2023, 06:55:18 PM
"Shit branding, my lord, shit branding 
Ohhhh lord, shit branding"

"My garden shed (my garden shed)
Gets more revenue (gets more revenue)
My garden shed gets more revenue
It's got a deckchair and a KitKat
My garden shed gets more revenue!"

"The tills are ringing for the claret and blue"
Queue up if you want a pie.
Queue up if you want a pie.
"We're the Villa boys from Aston
And our credit rating's great
Our bank balance is swelling
You can see our cash from space"
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on June 26, 2023, 12:11:36 PM
			

			

				If you want a train from Aston
You'll queue from very far
You'll have to wait even longer
If you travelled here by car
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on June 26, 2023, 12:14:20 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Lastfootstamper on June 26, 2023, 12:00:52 PM
Not just quality options, but quality game-changing options. Somebody a long while back once talked of how with the use of the bench in Rugby these days there's starters and there's finishers. That's what I want to see, players we can bring on to turn the screws or see us home. And with a bit of dash, bit of elan, something more imaginative than simply bringing on A. N. Otherbody to shore things up in the middle of the park.

Once you get a squad that works for modern football and lets to rest players you naturally have this. Tielemans is a good first step, imagine seeing Luiz is being rested only to realise you're still facing Tielemans and Kamara, or Moreno is on the bench but you're still facing a ~50 cap french international. That's the next goal for this squad, if we can have 5-6 players out/rested and still have quality in every position then we'll be ready to compete.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on June 26, 2023, 12:20:59 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on June 26, 2023, 12:11:36 PM
If you want a train from Aston
You'll queue from very far
You'll have to wait even longer
If you travelled here by car
We stand in line for food and drink
All dressed in claret and blue.
The last person to get served 
was in 1982
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 26, 2023, 12:21:58 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on June 26, 2023, 12:11:36 PM
If you want a train from Aston
You'll queue from very far
You'll have to wait even longer
If you travelled here by car

Delay, Delay, Delay.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on June 26, 2023, 12:37:32 PM
			

			

				I think we need to stop thinking in terms of players playing second fiddle and others being automatic starters etc etc. 
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 26, 2023, 11:49:43 AM


We need better players than we have now to improve the squad. 

From that pool of players we pick the team to suit the match and opponents. 

Nobody should be an automatic starter and everyone needs other quality players to compete for their place with. 

We should be able to look at our bench, and see all spaces full with just the one keeper ideally and with quality options to come on if needed. 


i think midfielders and forwards are regulary interchanged

i agree we need a strong squad in all arears, 
but i dont see many successful sides rotating there central defensive area to much especially in game
unless your Man City and even they dont do it much but i cant see us having say 4 top class centre backs and picking a different pairing each game depending on the opposition, but i can see that happening in midfield and forward arears

which is why i feel if we are going to pay top money for a centre back it will be to replace as a starter not as a back up imo



			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on June 26, 2023, 12:41:04 PM
			

			

				As fans we also need to get used squad rotation. So if McGinn or Watkins or Luiz doesn’t start it’s not down to form, but opponents, rest, tactics etc. All the best sides do it. Last season even Brighton didn’t start the likes of Mac Allister or Mitoma every game. Granted we probably didn’t have many options last season and our form came from everyone knowing their roles and starting most games creating chemistry. It’s going to be interesting to see if Emery is able to maintain performance levels this season by rotating more and integrating younger players. Something he didn’t do much of at all last season. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on June 26, 2023, 12:47:25 PM
			

			

				Every week we complain. 
Til our faces go bright blue, 
We've shit kits, crests, and service, can't even use the loo, 
We're the Villa boys from Aston
We don't travel near or far,
If we're going by the bus or train,
Or even the fucking car.


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on June 26, 2023, 12:52:48 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 26, 2023, 11:49:43 AM
I think we need to stop thinking in terms of players playing second fiddle and others being automatic starters etc etc. 

We need better players than we have now to improve the squad. 

From that pool of players we pick the team to suit the match and opponents. 

Nobody should be an automatic starter and everyone needs other quality players to compete for their place with. 

We should be able to look at our bench, and see all spaces full with just the one keeper ideally and with quality options to come on if needed.

This. Agreed 100%
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on June 26, 2023, 01:05:31 PM
			

			

				If we have a successful European campaign, and go further in the domestic cups, we could have over 60 games this season. You can't have that many games and do well if you're not going to use your squad.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on June 26, 2023, 01:14:42 PM
			

			

				There will be times he plays 3 at the back too. Carlos had just had a huge injury. We got lucky that Ty and Konsa stayed fit so will. Thursday Sunday is punishing, so there will be lots of rotation this season. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on June 26, 2023, 01:16:06 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on June 26, 2023, 01:05:31 PM
If we have a successful European campaign, and go further in the domestic cups, we could have over 60 games this season. You can't have that many games and do well if you're not going to use your squad.

We really need to get the balance right though.

I reckon the optimum is:
18-20 genuine first team players (all looking at starting 35+ of those games).
4-5 backup options who can come in and do a job for a few games as cover and maybe get some guaranteed starts in the cups (thinking about keepers here really).
a group of youngsters who get ~10-15 appearances over the year and are slowly integrated into the squad.

Now we're in the mix for Europe we do need to pay more attention to the home-grown requirements around players coming through our own youth ranks. For a number of reasons we don't have many players to fill those gaps right now but we have plenty of promising youngsters. As a worst case scenario we could do with turning a handful of those into the backups options above so they're not only reliable squad filler but also help us meet the requirements for the league and show that there's a pathway into the first team squad for our academy, even if you're not going to be a regular starter.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 26, 2023, 01:23:04 PM
			

			

				The other fairly persistent link seems to be Tyler Adams, with Dendoncker being moved on. I quite like Dendoncker but would see that as another upgrade. Tyler Adams's stats are surprisingly impressive.

Ramsey, Teilemans, Luiz, McGinn, Buendia and Kamara plus Adams in is a fine set of players to select from. Losing Sanson, Nakamba and Dendoncker helps balance the books a bit with minimal impact on squad depth then.

If we end up with Mings, Konsa, Carlos and Torres or Laporte and lose Chambers that is a very strong set of defenders.

Be interesting to see what forwards come in. No consistent links and a position we are certain to add to.

The one squad place I really want to see upgraded is reserve GK though. No matter how good the other signings if we are one injury off a season of Olsen in goal it would worry me.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Hookeysmith on June 26, 2023, 01:40:55 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on June 26, 2023, 01:23:04 PM
The other fairly persistent link seems to be Tyler Adams, with Dendoncker being moved on. I quite like Dendoncker but would see that as another upgrade. Tyler Adams's stats are surprisingly impressive.

Ramsey, Teilemans, Luiz, McGinn, Buendia and Kamara plus Adams in is a fine set of players to select from. Losing Sanson, Nakamba and Dendoncker helps balance the books a bit with minimal impact on squad depth then.

If we end up with Mings, Konsa, Carlos and Torres or Laporte and lose Chambers that is a very strong set of defenders.

Be interesting to see what forwards come in. No consistent links and a position we are certain to add to.

The one squad place I really want to see upgraded is reserve GK though. No matter how good the other signings if we are one injury off a season of Olsen in goal it would worry me.

Good breakdown and exactly as i see it.

Our big bucks will be spent in forward positions. A new 10, wide attacker - some real quality

If we get in a World class CF (Torres or Laporte) then i think we only need a RB to push Cash (or maybe rumours of Konsa moving there are not far from the mark) and we have a very good back 5 to choose from.

Back up keeper will be tough as unless injured or suspended most of the time will be sitting on bench.

Midfield - i think as far as what we have with one addition is as good as anything in the league and fully interchangeable. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on June 26, 2023, 01:48:42 PM
			

			

				Backup goalkeeper is a definite requirement. Do we think Emery will stick to using the reserve keeper in the early rounds of the cups? 

Being as everyone really wants to win something...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on June 26, 2023, 01:49:04 PM
			

			

				If Sancho is available for ~45m, I would like us to throw our hat in the ring. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 26, 2023, 01:50:31 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on June 26, 2023, 01:48:42 PM
Backup goalkeeper is a definite requirement. Do we think Emery will stick to using the reserve keeper in the early rounds of the cups? 

Being as everyone really wants to win something...

Doubt it, now he has seen him play a few times!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 26, 2023, 01:57:57 PM
			

			

				You went and chose the wrong badge
This retro thing is poo
Chris Heck has got the answer
We’re going to have two. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ads on June 26, 2023, 02:02:54 PM
			

			

				Laporte mentioned. 

That sort of ball playing centre half would be extremely useful for our style of play.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on June 26, 2023, 02:11:08 PM
			

			

				The Pau Torres links seem to be getting stronger all the time.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on June 26, 2023, 02:14:50 PM
			

			

				Anywhere credible? From a quick scan I only see references from the standard click bait type places.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on June 26, 2023, 02:29:41 PM
			

			

				Man Utd apparently willing to sell Sancho for £45m.

😏
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 26, 2023, 02:41:39 PM
			

			

				Sancho? I think i've seen him play well once; against Kosovo! Admittedly i never saw any Bundesliga.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 26, 2023, 02:42:50 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on June 26, 2023, 02:29:41 PM
Man Utd apparently willing to sell Sancho for £45m.

😏

I bet they are - isn't he on mega wages? Fr us to take him on it would have to be either loan to buy or low fee and we take the wage on.

For what its worth I think he would be a good signing, he was very good for Dortmund. Just cant see us forking out £250k a week (and wouldn't want us to either).
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on June 26, 2023, 02:48:39 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 26, 2023, 02:14:50 PM
Anywhere credible? From a quick scan I only see references from the standard click bait type places.
Certainly nothing concrete, but an awful lot of noise.  It seems to be reported quite a lot in the Spanish press, although I'm not sure how credible it is.

https://as.com/futbol/primera/el-aston-villa-pone-la-directa-por-pau-torres-n/?ssm=TW_CC
Pau's will not be an easy negotiation, since the player has one year left on his contract and that makes the people of Castellón lose strength in a negotiation. But at Villarreal they hope to be able to get an amount that is more or less close to the 65 million clause that they have today. The ball is on Pau's terrace, although it seems that without a radical change, it is very likely that he will end up playing in Birmingham.

Fabrizio has mentioned us, but also Bayern's possible interest.

Nicolò Schira - is pretty credible
https://twitter.com/NicoSchira/status/1672704473075003393?s=20

Also Steve Kay, who I don';t think is too clickbaity?
https://twitter.com/stevek9KS1TV/status/1673319859709419520?s=20
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on June 26, 2023, 02:51:16 PM
			

			

				Cheers Chris.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on June 26, 2023, 02:51:37 PM
			

			

				A second top quality left sided CB is important. Torres or Laporte fits that perfectly to challenge/ultimately replace Mings. DC and Konsa to fight it out for the right side. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on June 26, 2023, 02:56:41 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on June 26, 2023, 02:42:50 PM
Quote from: Smirker on June 26, 2023, 02:29:41 PM
Man Utd apparently willing to sell Sancho for £45m.

😏

I bet they are - isn't he on mega wages? Fr us to take him on it would have to be either loan to buy or low fee and we take the wage on.

For what its worth I think he would be a good signing, he was very good for Dortmund. Just cant see us forking out £250k a week (and wouldn't want us to either).

He would be a great singing imo. Hasn't really worked at Man Utd but they're a mess.

Bring The Sanch to B6  8)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on June 26, 2023, 02:59:03 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on June 26, 2023, 02:56:41 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on June 26, 2023, 02:42:50 PM
Quote from: Smirker on June 26, 2023, 02:29:41 PM
Man Utd apparently willing to sell Sancho for £45m.

😏

I bet they are - isn't he on mega wages? Fr us to take him on it would have to be either loan to buy or low fee and we take the wage on.

For what its worth I think he would be a good signing, he was very good for Dortmund. Just cant see us forking out £250k a week (and wouldn't want us to either).

He would be a great singing imo. Hasn't really worked at Man Utd but they're a mess.

Bring The Sanch to B6  8)

If we can renegotiate his wages or Utd is willing to retain some of them, I would welcome it. I think Emery would do a fantastic job with him and our style of play suits him. The last time we played United we gambled on the high line, and they were just booting it over the top to try get through. It was pathetic. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on June 26, 2023, 03:06:38 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: villadelph on June 26, 2023, 01:49:04 PM
If Sancho is available for ~45m, I would like us to throw our hat in the ring.
I would rather throw him in the ring, 

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on June 26, 2023, 03:08:03 PM
			

			

				Sancho looked a world beater in Germany, but so did Bailey. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on June 26, 2023, 03:10:08 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PeterWithe on June 26, 2023, 03:08:03 PM
Sancho looked a world beater in Germany, but so did Bailey.
exactly, at least Bailey has a turn of speed.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 26, 2023, 03:22:09 PM
			

			

				Pau Torres sounds like a good shout though, i'd like to see us get that one done.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on June 26, 2023, 03:35:04 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on June 26, 2023, 11:17:02 AM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on June 26, 2023, 11:02:09 AM
The Pau Torres links are still around, as are links to Laporte at Man City. I find it strange that we so strongly linked to Left sided centre backs when Mings was so good last season. I get we need a strong squad, but right back and wingers are surely where we are weakest.

Imagine if Ty had a Diego Carlos style injury in the second game of the season though. Losing him for any length of time would hit us massively. So I can see why we want another top level left sided centre back. 
 
[/quote]

BUT - We do have Diego Carlos, who would fit in the Mings position if something like that were to happen.  As an emergency measure, we also have Kortney Hause who is a perfectly adequate third choice centre back.

If we're going for another centre back, it should be a right-sided one.  If we got Torres, then you'd think Mings might be the one under threat.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on June 26, 2023, 03:46:59 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Tokyo Sexwhale on June 26, 2023, 03:35:04 PM
Quote from: OCD on June 26, 2023, 11:17:02 AM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on June 26, 2023, 11:02:09 AM
The Pau Torres links are still around, as are links to Laporte at Man City. I find it strange that we so strongly linked to Left sided centre backs when Mings was so good last season. I get we need a strong squad, but right back and wingers are surely where we are weakest.

Imagine if Ty had a Diego Carlos style injury in the second game of the season though. Losing him for any length of time would hit us massively. So I can see why we want another top level left sided centre back. 
 


BUT - We do have Diego Carlos, who would fit in the Mings position if something like that were to happen.  As an emergency measure, we also have Kortney Hause who is a perfectly adequate third choice centre back.

If we're going for another centre back, it should be a right-sided one.  If we got Torres, then you'd think Mings might be the one under threat.

Did Mings not play right-sided for England?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 26, 2023, 03:53:54 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ads on June 26, 2023, 02:02:54 PM
Laporte mentioned. 

That sort of ball playing centre half would be extremely useful for our style of play.

Pretty sure I read recently he wants to go back to Spain. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on June 26, 2023, 04:00:12 PM
			

			

				I'd prefer Torres to Laporte purely because he's younger.

What I find interesting about the Torres stories is that they almost read like fee negotiation being played out in the press. All the spanish side stories mention the €65m buyout clause and them wanting as close to that as they can get and all the UK stories seem to have settled on £35m as the expected fee.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 26, 2023, 04:23:37 PM
			

			

				Meunier still being touted as well, for as little as £3m to get him off Dortmunds wage bill. Played for Emery at PSG so might be something in it. Over 30, but less so than Young was.

We definitely need competition for Cash, so could see that one happening.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on June 26, 2023, 04:24:47 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on June 26, 2023, 04:23:37 PM
Meunier still being touted as well, for as little as £3m to get him off Dortmunds wage bill. Played for Emery at PSG so might be something in it. Over 30, but less so than Young was.

We definitely need competition for Cash, so could see that one happening.

He's had lot of injuries recently though, so that would be a risk.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Hookeysmith on June 26, 2023, 04:55:58 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: villadelph on June 26, 2023, 01:49:04 PM
If Sancho is available for ~45m, I would like us to throw our hat in the ring. 

yet another vanity project at United that has not worked out - there are lots of them.

Player gets over hyped by the media and then linked with the filth - all summer long spent chasing, and suggesting bids offered and playing all out in the media for the johnny come latelys to wank over.

Add Anthony last year and Mason Mount this - same old story

Stay well clear of any cast offs from them
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ads on June 26, 2023, 04:58:22 PM
			

			

				Man United aren't the Filth. The Albion are the Stripey Filth. Let's not confuse insulting nicknames.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 26, 2023, 05:11:08 PM
			

			

				Well out of the big names we have been linked with then Torres you'd fancy is our best bet considering he has already worked with Emery.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on June 26, 2023, 05:22:26 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on June 26, 2023, 05:11:08 PM
Well out of the big names we have been linked with then Torres you'd fancy is our best bet considering he has already worked with Emery.

And his parents are massive Star Trek fans.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on June 26, 2023, 05:26:34 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Hookeysmith on June 26, 2023, 04:55:58 PM
Quote from: villadelph on June 26, 2023, 01:49:04 PM
If Sancho is available for ~45m, I would like us to throw our hat in the ring. 

yet another vanity project at United that has not worked out - there are lots of them.

Player gets over hyped by the media and then linked with the filth - all summer long spent chasing, and suggesting bids offered and playing all out in the media for the johnny come latelys to wank over.

Add Anthony last year and Mason Mount this - same old story

Stay well clear of any cast offs from them

38 goals and 51 assists in 104 bundesliga games. He's not overhyped, he's been used badly and suffered, like many players, with the transition between German and English football. Still only 23 as well so plenty of time for him to improve. Where they got things badly wrong, again, was expecting him to be the catalyst in turning them back into title contenders when the club as a whole was still nowhere near ready for that. Antony has had the same last season, Depay and Martial have had it in the past and Rashford fell apart under the same pressure for 2 years.

That said he'd need to be willing to take a big cut on his wages to be worth looking at.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on June 26, 2023, 05:34:53 PM
			

			

				Has Wilf Zaha decided how much money he wants to make, yet?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 26, 2023, 05:39:02 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on June 26, 2023, 05:34:53 PM
Has Wilf Zaha decided how much money he wants to make, yet?

I was wondering, why isn't there lots of links, from most prem clubs, to him? Unless his wage demands are obscene but I thought there would be loads after him. Maybe there are and it's just not common knowledge.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 26, 2023, 05:41:25 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on June 26, 2023, 05:34:53 PM
Has Wilf Zaha decided how much money he wants to make, yet?

Probably sitting by his phone waiting for an international call from Saudi Arabia.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on June 26, 2023, 06:15:12 PM
			

			

				I read Palace had offered him £200k a week.

Imagine sitting there looking at that offer and thinking nope, not enough.  :-\
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Concrete Tom on June 26, 2023, 06:44:27 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on June 26, 2023, 05:34:53 PM
Has Wilf Zaha decided how much money he wants to make, yet?

I’m very slightly (barely) ITK on this.

He has a few offers on the table but as things stand, he is not considering staying in the UK. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on June 26, 2023, 07:09:05 PM
			

			

				Palace are meant to have offered him £200k a week with a big signing on fee but he's had several Saudi offers. 

What a life top level footballers have these days. They probably make more in 3 months than what the majority of people make in their entire lives. And that's just £100k/week footballers. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on June 26, 2023, 07:11:45 PM
			

			

				Barcodes in for Livramento.  I'd like us to be interested too.  Decent player. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on June 26, 2023, 07:12:44 PM
			

			

				some Twitter fool is suggesting Johan Lange is at Spurs. Maybe trying to nail down Lo Celso?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on June 26, 2023, 07:14:01 PM
			

			

				What position does Lo Celso actually play? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on June 26, 2023, 07:15:49 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on June 26, 2023, 07:14:01 PM
What position does Lo Celso actually play? 

attacking midfielder, upgrade on Emi possibly
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on June 26, 2023, 07:16:37 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 26, 2023, 07:15:49 PM
Quote from: Steve67 on June 26, 2023, 07:14:01 PM
What position does Lo Celso actually play? 

attacking midfielder, upgrade on Emi possibly

Thanks TV, so the number 10 role.  Hope it comes off in that case. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smithy on June 26, 2023, 07:56:46 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on June 26, 2023, 07:09:05 PM
Palace are meant to have offered him £200k a week with a big signing on fee but he's had several Saudi offers. 

What a life top level footballers have these days. They probably make more in 3 months than what the majority of people make in their entire lives. And that's just £100k/week footballers. 

I doubt it's the money.  He could get somewhere close to £200k from a few of the wealthy clubs I'd imagine. I suspect he wants a crack at the Champions League, and unless Newcastle want him, I don't see him being part of the other English squads that qualified.  Which means moving abroad.  The money is obscene at the top level now, but I doubt the difference between £200k a week and £250k is that much to him.  I bet he'd take less than £200k for a regular start in a team challenging for titles and in the Champions League.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on June 26, 2023, 07:59:13 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 26, 2023, 07:12:44 PM
some Twitter fool is suggesting Johan Lange is at Spurs. Maybe trying to nail down Lo Celso?
To become there new DoF?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SteveN on June 26, 2023, 09:56:58 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on June 26, 2023, 07:11:45 PM
Barcodes in for Livramento.  I'd like us to be interested too.  Decent player. 

They are quoting £15M. That would be a steal if he's fully recovered from injury.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on June 26, 2023, 10:08:05 PM
			

			

				I see Ross Barkley is looking for a club, flopped at Nice so looking for one final contract before retirement. Some life. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clive W on June 26, 2023, 10:16:40 PM
			

			

				Apologies if it’s been posted but an extract from the DT

Aston Villa 

What they need: Striker, winger(s), centre-back, right-back.
Notable players linked: Pau Torres, Brennan Johnson, Harvey Barnes, Tyler Adams.
What we are hearing: Unai Emery’s primary focus is on wingers, with up to two new signings in that position, while the La Liga market is also going to be exploited by Villa and Monchi, their new president of football operations. (John Percy) 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RamboandBruno on June 26, 2023, 10:39:10 PM
			

			

				My lad knows more about other European leagues than me and tells me, despite really liking Mings, Torres is better, I don’t want Mings replaced and don’t see us spending 30 million +, for a player to play 15-20 games, but I’d be excited if we signed him. In terms of the other gossip, I’d be blown away if we got Chiesa, genuinely excited by Gonclavez, pretty excited by what Barnes could do and a little under whelmed by Sancho. 
Just want it to get going now. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 26, 2023, 11:05:32 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: RamboandBruno on June 26, 2023, 10:39:10 PM
My lad knows more about other European leagues than me and tells me, despite really liking Mings, Torres is better, I don’t want Mings replaced and don’t see us spending 30 million +, for a player to play 15-20 games, but I’d be excited if we signed him. In terms of the other gossip, I’d be blown away if we got Chiesa, genuinely excited by Gonclavez, pretty excited by what Barnes could do and a little under whelmed by Sancho. 
Just want it to get going now.

There’s a football journalist called Sam Tighe, who I’ve heard on a few podcasts by virtue of him being a Villa fan. Seems really knowledgable on European football and he reckons there’s no way Torres would be an adequate replacement for Mings as he’s physically weak and no good in the air.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on June 26, 2023, 11:07:06 PM
			

			

				I'm not too panicky at this stage as I don't think we would be too shabby if we started the season with the same squad we had for the last one.  We are obviously going to add some players and have the time to ensure we get the players we want.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RamboandBruno on June 27, 2023, 06:48:10 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 26, 2023, 11:05:32 PM
Quote from: RamboandBruno on June 26, 2023, 10:39:10 PM
My lad knows more about other European leagues than me and tells me, despite really liking Mings, Torres is better, I don’t want Mings replaced and don’t see us spending 30 million +, for a player to play 15-20 games, but I’d be excited if we signed him. In terms of the other gossip, I’d be blown away if we got Chiesa, genuinely excited by Gonclavez, pretty excited by what Barnes could do and a little under whelmed by Sancho. 
Just want it to get going now.

There’s a football journalist called Sam Tighe, who I’ve heard on a few podcasts by virtue of him being a Villa fan. Seems really knowledgable on European football and he reckons there’s no way Torres would be an adequate replacement for Mings as he’s physically weak and no good in the air.

Thats interesting Percy. Will be interesting to see what happens if we do sign him and how much, money being quoted seems a lot for a back up?  But then like others have posted its about the squad now. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 27, 2023, 07:52:59 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: RamboandBruno on June 27, 2023, 06:48:10 AM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 26, 2023, 11:05:32 PM
Quote from: RamboandBruno on June 26, 2023, 10:39:10 PM
My lad knows more about other European leagues than me and tells me, despite really liking Mings, Torres is better, I don’t want Mings replaced and don’t see us spending 30 million +, for a player to play 15-20 games, but I’d be excited if we signed him. In terms of the other gossip, I’d be blown away if we got Chiesa, genuinely excited by Gonclavez, pretty excited by what Barnes could do and a little under whelmed by Sancho. 
Just want it to get going now.

There’s a football journalist called Sam Tighe, who I’ve heard on a few podcasts by virtue of him being a Villa fan. Seems really knowledgable on European football and he reckons there’s no way Torres would be an adequate replacement for Mings as he’s physically weak and no good in the air.

Thats interesting Percy. Will be interesting to see what happens if we do sign him and how much, money being quoted seems a lot for a back up?  But then like others have posted its about the squad now.

The bloke on For The Love of Paul McGrath agrees with Sam Tighe about Torres’ strengths and weaknesses, and concludes he’d have to play with Mings, even though that would be two lefties.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: steamer on June 27, 2023, 08:26:24 AM
			

			

				Please sir,
Can we have a competent back up Goalkeeper also
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: sid1964 on June 27, 2023, 08:41:04 AM
			

			

				With the way the club is evolving under new owners / manager it would not surprise me if within the next 2 seasons that only 1 or 2 of our current regular 1st eleven are still regular starters.

For me those 2 players would be Martinez and Kamara.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: JD on June 27, 2023, 08:52:02 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: sid1964 on June 27, 2023, 08:41:04 AM
With the way the club is evolving under new owners / manager it would not surprise me if within the next 2 seasons that only 1 or 2 of our current regular 1st eleven are still regular starters.

For me those 2 players would be Martinez and Kamara.

I'd add JJ to that. He is going to get better and better. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on June 27, 2023, 08:52:24 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: sid1964 on June 27, 2023, 08:41:04 AM
With the way the club is evolving under new owners / manager it would not surprise me if within the next 2 seasons that only 1 or 2 of our current regular 1st eleven are still regular starters.

For me those 2 players would be Martinez and Kamara.

Who are these eight or nine players out there that we're buying over the next couple of years? I think it's far more likely that we're fending off bids for the likes of Luiz, Moreno, Ramsey et al over that time than us trying to upgrade them. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on June 27, 2023, 08:52:50 AM
			

			

				Dougie too for me
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 27, 2023, 09:39:19 AM
			

			

				The Torres chatter does seem to be increasing. I'm happy to let Unai work out how best to play him and Mings.

More good news is that the AOC links have died away (not that they were particularly credible anyway).
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on June 27, 2023, 09:46:30 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on June 27, 2023, 08:52:24 AM
Quote from: sid1964 on June 27, 2023, 08:41:04 AM
With the way the club is evolving under new owners / manager it would not surprise me if within the next 2 seasons that only 1 or 2 of our current regular 1st eleven are still regular starters.

For me those 2 players would be Martinez and Kamara.

Who are these eight or nine players out there that we're buying over the next couple of years? I think it's far more likely that we're fending off bids for the likes of Luiz, Moreno, Ramsey et al over that time than us trying to upgrade them.

I also don't think that we will see massive changes in the near future.  We have a pretty settled side that lost very few games under the manager last season and hopefully will improve again next season.  

There are some key areas that need quality players, but I don't think a major overhaul is required.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on June 27, 2023, 09:48:30 AM
			

			

				Incremental change, not complete overhaul. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: lovejoy on June 27, 2023, 09:49:24 AM
			

			

				Last season was great but we were just playing league games. With 3 cups to compete for we need strength in depth across the board and in particular a decent reserve keeper and centre forward.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on June 27, 2023, 09:53:59 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on June 27, 2023, 08:52:24 AM
Quote from: sid1964 on June 27, 2023, 08:41:04 AM
With the way the club is evolving under new owners / manager it would not surprise me if within the next 2 seasons that only 1 or 2 of our current regular 1st eleven are still regular starters.

For me those 2 players would be Martinez and Kamara.

Who are these eight or nine players out there that we're buying over the next couple of years? I think it's far more likely that we're fending off bids for the likes of Luiz, Moreno, Ramsey et al over that time than us trying to upgrade them.
Agree. Its fanciful to think that we have the FFP capacity to spend that much and that many players need upgrading.
Evolution not revolution.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on June 27, 2023, 09:59:25 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ChicagoLion on June 27, 2023, 09:53:59 AM
Quote from: Dave on June 27, 2023, 08:52:24 AM
Quote from: sid1964 on June 27, 2023, 08:41:04 AM
With the way the club is evolving under new owners / manager it would not surprise me if within the next 2 seasons that only 1 or 2 of our current regular 1st eleven are still regular starters.

For me those 2 players would be Martinez and Kamara.

Who are these eight or nine players out there that we're buying over the next couple of years? I think it's far more likely that we're fending off bids for the likes of Luiz, Moreno, Ramsey et al over that time than us trying to upgrade them.
Agree. Its fanciful to think that we have the FFP capacity to spend that much and that many players need upgrading.
Evolution not revolution.

Definitely, Emery evolves, he doesn't revolve.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Anthenagin on June 27, 2023, 10:26:34 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on June 27, 2023, 09:59:25 AM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on June 27, 2023, 09:53:59 AM
Quote from: Dave on June 27, 2023, 08:52:24 AM
Quote from: sid1964 on June 27, 2023, 08:41:04 AM
With the way the club is evolving under new owners / manager it would not surprise me if within the next 2 seasons that only 1 or 2 of our current regular 1st eleven are still regular starters.

For me those 2 players would be Martinez and Kamara.

Who are these eight or nine players out there that we're buying over the next couple of years? I think it's far more likely that we're fending off bids for the likes of Luiz, Moreno, Ramsey et al over that time than us trying to upgrade them.
Agree. Its fanciful to think that we have the FFP capacity to spend that much and that many players need upgrading.
Evolution not revolution.

Definitely, Emery evolves, he doesn't revolve.

Very Alan Partridge!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on June 27, 2023, 10:37:41 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on June 27, 2023, 09:39:19 AM
The Torres chatter does seem to be increasing. I'm happy to let Unai work out how best to play him and Mings.

More good news is that the AOC links have died away (not that they were particularly credible anyway).

If Torres does come in then I'd fear for Diego Carlos future with us. The handful of times I've seen Pau Torres play for club and country I haven't been all that impressed. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on June 27, 2023, 10:39:26 AM
			

			

				My uninformed guess is that there are concerns about Carlos coming back at the level he was, which leaves us with only two centre backs.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 27, 2023, 10:41:39 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on June 27, 2023, 09:48:30 AM
Incremental change, not complete overhaul.

Yep, changing too many at once can do more harm than good.

Also, i wouldn't be too upset with us starting the season with Martinez,Cash,Moreno,Mings,Konsa,Luiz,McGinn,Kamara,Ramsey,New player, Watkins, so that's only one to go in immediately. If we can sign a CB and RB to really put the pressure on Konsa/Carlos and Cash and another quality attacking player to come in for one of the midfielders if we need to more attacking plus a very competent sub GK then i think we'd be in great shape.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: frank black on June 27, 2023, 10:50:11 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on June 27, 2023, 10:39:26 AM
My uninformed guess is that there are concerns about Carlos coming back at the level he was, which leaves us with only two centre backs.

Absolutely, he’s been wrapped in cotton wool
Since “getting fit”. Fingers crossed I’m wrong, but he may not get back to his best. I imagine we will see in the preseason games
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 27, 2023, 10:52:30 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on June 27, 2023, 10:39:26 AM
My uninformed guess is that there are concerns about Carlos coming back at the level he was, which leaves us with only two centre backs.

Yes, that's been a concern for me since he didn't get many minutes at the end of the season. However given we were fighting for Europe, winning games was the priority rather than giving game time so hopefully he'll be fine. May also depend on how much Monchi rates him given he sold him to us whilst at Sevilla.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on June 27, 2023, 10:55:50 AM
			

			

				I imagine psychologically it might be tough getting past an injury like that.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brend'Watkins on June 27, 2023, 11:06:08 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ChicagoLion on June 27, 2023, 09:53:59 AM
Quote from: Dave on June 27, 2023, 08:52:24 AM
Quote from: sid1964 on June 27, 2023, 08:41:04 AM
With the way the club is evolving under new owners / manager it would not surprise me if within the next 2 seasons that only 1 or 2 of our current regular 1st eleven are still regular starters.

For me those 2 players would be Martinez and Kamara.

Who are these eight or nine players out there that we're buying over the next couple of years? I think it's far more likely that we're fending off bids for the likes of Luiz, Moreno, Ramsey et al over that time than us trying to upgrade them.
Agree. Its fanciful to think that we have the FFP capacity to spend that much and that many players need upgrading.
Evolution not revolution.

Not just fanciful but also ludicrous.  We might get a number of additions to strengthen the squad in that time but certainly not the team wholesale as Sid1964 alludes to. We have our better players and our improving players who are improving because of the coaching and the system.  Anyone new coming in will need to be coached and will need to adapt just as Grealish has had to adapt to Man City's system by playing worse than when with us.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on June 27, 2023, 11:07:51 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: frank black on June 27, 2023, 10:50:11 AM
Quote from: Risso on June 27, 2023, 10:39:26 AM
My uninformed guess is that there are concerns about Carlos coming back at the level he was, which leaves us with only two centre backs.

Absolutely, he’s been wrapped in cotton wool
Since “getting fit”. Fingers crossed I’m wrong, but he may not get back to his best. I imagine we will see in the preseason games

I just had a look, because I remember reading about achilles ruptures recurring.

https://www.sportsmedreview.com/blog/return-to-play-following-achilles-tendon-rupture/ (https://www.sportsmedreview.com/blog/return-to-play-following-achilles-tendon-rupture/)


There's another study looking at only football players between 2008 and 2018;

https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/54/8/480 (https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/54/8/480)


So it does look sensible to cover ourselves really. He may not get back to his level, he may not be able to play week in week out, and he may have a recurrence.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villatillidie25 on June 27, 2023, 01:01:35 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on June 27, 2023, 11:07:51 AM
Quote from: frank black on June 27, 2023, 10:50:11 AM
Quote from: Risso on June 27, 2023, 10:39:26 AM
My uninformed guess is that there are concerns about Carlos coming back at the level he was, which leaves us with only two centre backs.

very interesting. kind of says what i'd expect but interesting nonetheless

Absolutely, he’s been wrapped in cotton wool
Since “getting fit”. Fingers crossed I’m wrong, but he may not get back to his best. I imagine we will see in the preseason games

I just had a look, because I remember reading about achilles ruptures recurring.

https://www.sportsmedreview.com/blog/return-to-play-following-achilles-tendon-rupture/ (https://www.sportsmedreview.com/blog/return-to-play-following-achilles-tendon-rupture/)

  • 80% of elite athletes return from a rupture.
  • In the NFL, NBA, and MLB they all had reduced playing time for one to two years after the injury. (No mention of proper footie).
  • There's an 8% chance of re-rupture over the next 2 years after surgery in professional soccer player.

There's another study looking at only football players between 2008 and 2018;

https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/54/8/480 (https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/54/8/480)

  • Backs up the 8% recurrence.
  • 18% did not return to play at their previous level in the two years after surgery.
  • players over the age of 30 had higher odds of re-rupture and not returning to play at the previous level.

So it does look sensible to cover ourselves really. He may not get back to his level, he may not be able to play week in week out, and he may have a recurrence.

that's really interesting
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on June 27, 2023, 01:06:48 PM
			

			

				Twitter reports have us as convincing Torres to come now just to agree fee.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 27, 2023, 01:08:20 PM
			

			

				According to reports here we've been sniffing around Benfica's Norway international, Fredrik Aursnes. Benfica aren't interested in selling him which is a shame as he has the prefect profile for the PL.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on June 27, 2023, 01:09:50 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on June 27, 2023, 01:08:20 PM
According to reports here we've been sniffing around Benfica's Norway international, Fredrik Aursnes. Benfica aren't interested in selling him which is a shame as he has the prefect profile for the PL.

We wouldn't play him every week though, it would be Aursnes for courses
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 27, 2023, 01:46:35 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on June 27, 2023, 01:09:50 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on June 27, 2023, 01:08:20 PM
According to reports here we've been sniffing around Benfica's Norway international, Fredrik Aursnes. Benfica aren't interested in selling him which is a shame as he has the prefect profile for the PL.

We wouldn't play him every week though, it would be Aursnes for courses

Or Norskes for courses.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on June 27, 2023, 01:57:48 PM
			

			

				I wonder if deals are going to ramp up considerably as soon as Monchi takes over that side of things. That a number of things are bubbling away but from an optics standpoint signings and sales will take place under his watch. You have to imagine lots of conversations are happening behind the scenes. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on June 27, 2023, 01:59:58 PM
			

			

				Do Norway have any good players apart from the two PL superstars?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on June 27, 2023, 02:05:49 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on June 27, 2023, 01:59:58 PM
Do Norway have any good players apart from the two PL superstars?

Aursnes as discussed above was one of the best players in the league for Benfica, to the extent that they barely missed Fernandez when he went to Chelsea.

Sander Berge is decent. Sorloth was pretty rubbish in the Premier League but has been excellent most other places he's been.

Nyland?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on June 27, 2023, 02:05:51 PM
			

			

				That guy at Benfica looks a hell of a talent.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on June 27, 2023, 02:12:46 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on June 27, 2023, 02:05:49 PM
Quote from: eamonn on June 27, 2023, 01:59:58 PM
Do Norway have any good players apart from the two PL superstars?

Aursnes as discussed above was one of the best players in the league for Benfica, to the extent that they barely missed Fernandez when he went to Chelsea.

Sander Berge is decent. Sorloth was pretty rubbish in the Premier League but has been excellent most other places he's been.

Nyland?

Still the best save a Villa keeper has ever made.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on June 27, 2023, 02:24:21 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on June 27, 2023, 02:12:46 PM
Quote from: Dave on June 27, 2023, 02:05:49 PM
Quote from: eamonn on June 27, 2023, 01:59:58 PM
Do Norway have any good players apart from the two PL superstars?

Aursnes as discussed above was one of the best players in the league for Benfica, to the extent that they barely missed Fernandez when he went to Chelsea.

Sander Berge is decent. Sorloth was pretty rubbish in the Premier League but has been excellent most other places he's been.

Nyland?

Still the best save a Villa keeper has ever made.

That aside, that first 20 minutes at home to Leicester in the League Cup semi final he was unreal
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on June 27, 2023, 02:30:47 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on June 27, 2023, 02:24:21 PM
Quote from: Risso on June 27, 2023, 02:12:46 PM
Quote from: Dave on June 27, 2023, 02:05:49 PM
Quote from: eamonn on June 27, 2023, 01:59:58 PM
Do Norway have any good players apart from the two PL superstars?

Aursnes as discussed above was one of the best players in the league for Benfica, to the extent that they barely missed Fernandez when he went to Chelsea.

Sander Berge is decent. Sorloth was pretty rubbish in the Premier League but has been excellent most other places he's been.

Nyland?

Still the best save a Villa keeper has ever made.

That aside, that first 20 minutes at home to Leicester in the League Cup semi final he was unreal

One in a very long line of Villa keepers whose occasional world-beating performance didn't really make up for all the times they were a bit shit.

Nyland, Guzan, Sorensen, Johnston, Given, Enckelman...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on June 27, 2023, 02:42:58 PM
			

			

				No argument there Dave
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on June 27, 2023, 02:46:52 PM
			

			

				It's why we're so very fortunate to have Martinez. Not only is he a phenomenal keeper, but he's also an integral part of the way we play. I think I'd be more pissed off if he left than I've ever been, including Platt, Yorke, Barry and Joe.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on June 27, 2023, 02:53:40 PM
			

			

				If we are after centre halves we should be fishing in the Scandinavian pool as they are strong, hard, viking like warrior people, I thought Johann Lang might have uncovered some gems but he’s done fuck all so far

Piss pooling around with Spanish softies (Ramos apart) is not where we should be casting, they are more suited to tricks, flicks and general playmaking

I thought everyone knew this

(sorry for any racial profiling in the above post )



			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on June 27, 2023, 02:56:56 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: john e on June 27, 2023, 02:53:40 PM
Piss pooling around with Spanish softies (Ramos apart) is not where we should be casting, they are more suited to tricks, flicks and general playmaking

I thought everyone knew this

(sorry for any racial profiling in the above post )

And the danger of leaving their man unmarked at a corner to go push a donkey off a church tower. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on June 27, 2023, 03:06:30 PM
			

			

				Martinez is probably my favourite player.

Anyway, it's very quiet on the transfer front.

Spend sum fuckin' munnay!

(Please) 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 27, 2023, 03:09:08 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 27, 2023, 02:05:51 PM
That guy at Benfica looks a hell of a talent.

Not a bad bit of business either, less than 12 months ago Benfica paid €13m plus €2m in add-ons to Feyenoord. Now he has a €50m buy out clause and would probably get €40m+ for him.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 27, 2023, 03:35:09 PM
			

			

				People's opinion of world class does differ but i think he's the 4th world class player i've seen at the Villa (since the late 80's). McGrath obviously, Platt and Yorke (for a few years) and now Martinez, and i think he pretty much has been since he walked through the door. Great to have a player of that standing again.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on June 27, 2023, 03:37:19 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on June 27, 2023, 03:35:09 PM
People's opinion of world class does differ but i think he's the 4th world class player i've seen at the Villa (since the late 80's). McGrath obviously, Platt and Yorke (for a few years) and now Martinez, and i think he pretty much has been since he walked through the door. Great to have a player of that standing again.

Yeah, I agree there, and literally was from the first game with him saving the penalty against Sheff Utd
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on June 27, 2023, 03:47:29 PM
			

			

				Martinez is the only player I'd say is arguably world class at Villa in my time (1996/7).
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rigadon on June 27, 2023, 04:01:42 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on June 27, 2023, 03:47:29 PM
Martinez is the only player I'd say is arguably world class at Villa in my time (1996/7).

Grealish? Depends on your criteria I guess.  Martinez is brilliant and played a significant role in a work cup winning team.  But Grealish was unplayable for us at times. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 27, 2023, 04:06:12 PM
			

			

				Is it just me that thinks of Batman every time Pau Torres is mentioned?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on June 27, 2023, 04:07:57 PM
			

			

				I think of Pam Ayers for some reason
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on June 27, 2023, 04:23:49 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rigadon on June 27, 2023, 04:01:42 PM
Quote from: Smirker on June 27, 2023, 03:47:29 PM
Martinez is the only player I'd say is arguably world class at Villa in my time (1996/7).

Grealish? Depends on your criteria I guess.  Martinez is brilliant and played a significant role in a work cup winning team.  But Grealish was unplayable for us at times.

Grealish defo not.


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on June 27, 2023, 04:29:11 PM
			

			

				Personal view is it’s hard to prove “world classness” if you’re not performing at the absolute elite level, which Villa haven’t been over the last few decades. I think Emi crossed the line because of his international exploits, most notably the World Cup win. That’s like a proof point - it doesn’t mean all players playing at that elite level are world class, or those that have played there and come back down weren’t world class. But I think it’s hard to prove unless you’ve demonstrated it at that level.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Mister E on June 27, 2023, 04:29:16 PM
			

			

				For a bit of lazy scouting, here's a list (https://www.theguardian.com/football/who-scored-blog/2023/jun/27/under-21s-euros-standout-players-romania-georgia-spain-england-france) of possible targets.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brend'Watkins on June 27, 2023, 04:30:36 PM
			

			

				I think 'Takes my Breath Away' as I think it was by Tpau. It wasn't. Quite clearly my Pau thought process is all over the place and I've briefly been to the Pyrenees town Pau many years ago.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 27, 2023, 04:46:30 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brend'Watkins on June 27, 2023, 04:30:36 PM
I think 'Takes my Breath Away' as I think it was by Tpau. It wasn't. Quite clearly my Pau thought process is all over the place and I've briefly been to the Pyrenees town Pau many years ago.

Takes My Breath Away was by Berlin 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villatillidie25 on June 27, 2023, 04:56:22 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on June 27, 2023, 04:23:49 PM
Quote from: Rigadon on June 27, 2023, 04:01:42 PM
Quote from: Smirker on June 27, 2023, 03:47:29 PM
Martinez is the only player I'd say is arguably world class at Villa in my time (1996/7).

Grealish? Depends on your criteria I guess.  Martinez is brilliant and played a significant role in a work cup winning team.  But Grealish was unplayable for us at times.

Grealish defo not.



I think this depends on your criteria for world class though. I'd argue someone who is bought for £100m and then plays a key role in a treble winning side must be knocking on the door of world class unless you consider world class to literally be the top handful in the world... (particularly given I think he was probably better for us than he's been for City but then maybe that's a stylistic thing).

For me, Mcgrath, Platt, Yorke, Grealish and Martinez are probably the ones. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Hookeysmith on June 27, 2023, 05:03:56 PM
			

			

				Come on Villa

Please lets have a player in soon
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeonW on June 27, 2023, 05:08:22 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 27, 2023, 04:29:11 PM
Personal view is it’s hard to prove “world classness” if you’re not performing at the absolute elite level, which Villa haven’t been over the last few decades. I think Emi crossed the line because of his international exploits, most notably the World Cup win. That’s like a proof point - it doesn’t mean all players playing at that elite level are world class, or those that have played there and come back down weren’t world class. But I think it’s hard to prove unless you’ve demonstrated it at that level.

The big difference is that Martinez wasn’t just part of the team that won their first Copa America in 30 years and their first World Cup in almost 40 years; he was a key player. He made the difference when it mattered. You put Sergio Romero in goal instead and they don’t win either. When it mattered most, Martinez delivered. That makes him world class.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on June 27, 2023, 05:08:45 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 27, 2023, 04:46:30 PM
Quote from: Brend'Watkins on June 27, 2023, 04:30:36 PM
I think 'Takes my Breath Away' as I think it was by Tpau. It wasn't. Quite clearly my Pau thought process is all over the place and I've briefly been to the Pyrenees town Pau many years ago.

Takes My Breath Away was by Berlin 

And it was bloody awful and if I remember rightly, was number one for ages. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeonW on June 27, 2023, 05:09:32 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Villatillidie25 on June 27, 2023, 04:56:22 PM
Quote from: Smirker on June 27, 2023, 04:23:49 PM
Quote from: Rigadon on June 27, 2023, 04:01:42 PM
Quote from: Smirker on June 27, 2023, 03:47:29 PM
Martinez is the only player I'd say is arguably world class at Villa in my time (1996/7).

Grealish? Depends on your criteria I guess.  Martinez is brilliant and played a significant role in a work cup winning team.  But Grealish was unplayable for us at times.

Grealish defo not.



I think this depends on your criteria for world class though. I'd argue someone who is bought for £100m and then plays a key role in a treble winning side must be knocking on the door of world class unless you consider world class to literally be the top handful in the world... (particularly given I think he was probably better for us than he's been for City but then maybe that's a stylistic thing).

For me, Mcgrath, Platt, Yorke, Grealish and Martinez are probably the ones.

A key role?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on June 27, 2023, 05:10:48 PM
			

			

				Take My Breath Away, not Takes. It was from the Top Gun soundtrack. 4 weeks at number one.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 27, 2023, 05:13:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brend'Watkins on June 27, 2023, 04:30:36 PM
I think 'Takes my Breath Away' as I think it was by Tpau. It wasn't. Quite clearly my Pau thought process is all over the place and I've briefly been to the Pyrenees town Pau many years ago.

It's also (Brazilian) Portuguese for 'cock' but we can save that thought till he leaves for Citeh.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 27, 2023, 05:15:49 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on June 27, 2023, 05:10:48 PM
Take My Breath Away, not Takes. It was from the Top Gun soundtrack. 4 weeks at number one.
 
China In Your Hand had 5. 

I take it we've still not bought anyone, then?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 27, 2023, 05:19:53 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Lastfootstamper on June 27, 2023, 05:15:49 PM
I take it we've still not bought anyone, then?

Put it this way, we're still discussing the crest and the lion now has a mullet.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on June 27, 2023, 05:22:52 PM
			

			

				Not even a shit Football Insider rumour.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 27, 2023, 05:25:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Lastfootstamper on June 27, 2023, 05:15:49 PM
I take it we've still not bought anyone, then?

At the rate we're going, we'll have to start looking at the market outside of Spain. We've pretty much exhausted the list of players that formerly worked with Emery.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeonW on June 27, 2023, 05:35:45 PM
			

			

				This is one of the summers where there’s flux and it’s an opportunity for us to potentially take a big step up. It is a bit concerning that we’ve only made one free transfer so far. Pre-season is only a couple of weeks away and Emery would want players to join up for it. We didn’t spend much in January because we were apparently going to have a ‘big summer.’ Let’s see if that happens.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on June 27, 2023, 06:09:48 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeonW on June 27, 2023, 05:35:45 PM
This is one of the summers where there’s flux and it’s an opportunity for us to potentially take a big step up. It is a bit concerning that we’ve only made one free transfer so far. Pre-season is only a couple of weeks away and Emery would want players to join up for it. We didn’t spend much in January because we were apparently going to have a ‘big summer.’ Let’s see if that happens.

It's not concerning. It's that thing where someone, somewhere starts to panic and everyone else joins in. Hardly any team has signed anyone, and the piece of business we have done is very smart indeed.

Everything we've heard is rumour, there's no other football, like a World Cup, to focus minds so everyone is clamouring for news. 

Every club is jockeying for position right now, and they are all, agents included, testing the waters and working out what could happen. It'll all kick off in the next couple of weeks I reckon, when teams start returning from holidays etc. The young players are still at their tournament and the senior players are on holiday after the stupid international games.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 27, 2023, 06:20:27 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clampy on June 27, 2023, 05:08:45 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 27, 2023, 04:46:30 PM
Quote from: Brend'Watkins on June 27, 2023, 04:30:36 PM
I think 'Takes my Breath Away' as I think it was by Tpau. It wasn't. Quite clearly my Pau thought process is all over the place and I've briefly been to the Pyrenees town Pau many years ago.

Takes My Breath Away was by Berlin 

And it was bloody awful and if I remember rightly, was number one for ages. 

I like it, but always reminds me of 'Walking on the Moon' now 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on June 27, 2023, 06:21:21 PM
			

			

				Also, the fact there's only a couple of weeks before everyone is back is not taking into account that the season ended much later thanks to the World Cup
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on June 27, 2023, 06:24:30 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on June 27, 2023, 06:21:21 PM
Also, the fact there's only a couple of weeks before everyone is back is not taking into account that the season ended much later thanks to the World Cup

Coupled with internationals having just ended, the U21s competition still going on. Lots of posturing as is expected and I still contend a lot will happen for us as soon as Monchi takes control. The optics are better that way also. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeonW on June 27, 2023, 06:38:12 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on June 27, 2023, 06:09:48 PM
Quote from: LeonW on June 27, 2023, 05:35:45 PM
This is one of the summers where there’s flux and it’s an opportunity for us to potentially take a big step up. It is a bit concerning that we’ve only made one free transfer so far. Pre-season is only a couple of weeks away and Emery would want players to join up for it. We didn’t spend much in January because we were apparently going to have a ‘big summer.’ Let’s see if that happens.

It's not concerning. It's that thing where someone, somewhere starts to panic and everyone else joins in. Hardly any team has signed anyone, and the piece of business we have done is very smart indeed.

Everything we've heard is rumour, there's no other football, like a World Cup, to focus minds so everyone is clamouring for news. 

Every club is jockeying for position right now, and they are all, agents included, testing the waters and working out what could happen. It'll all kick off in the next couple of weeks I reckon, when teams start returning from holidays etc. The young players are still at their tournament and the senior players are on holiday after the stupid international games.

Happy to come back to this when the summer transfer window closes.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on June 27, 2023, 06:47:47 PM
			

			

				I think we have had targets, but they are next level targets and we are finding it difficult to get them over the line as they are wanted by Teams in a better position than we are at the moment



			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on June 27, 2023, 06:50:00 PM
			

			

				We now have one of the top managers in the world who is putting together a really strong staff on the back of season where under him we showed CL form. We have just appointed one of the most reputable individuals as our President of Football Operations. We also just appointed a new President of Business Ops. I am going to go out on a limb here and suggest with a degree of confidence that Tielemans on a free won’t be our only signing this summer.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on June 27, 2023, 07:06:04 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 27, 2023, 06:50:00 PM
We now have one of the top managers in the world who is putting together a really strong staff on the back of season where under him we showed CL form. We have just appointed one of the most reputable individuals as our President of Football Operations. We also just appointed a new President of Business Ops. I am going to go out on a limb here and suggest with a degree of confidence that Tielemans on a free won’t be our only signing this summer.

Plus we have Wesley and House to come back from loans - they'll be like 2 new signings :-)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Richard on June 27, 2023, 07:07:49 PM
			

			

				Some people have no patience. I trust in Emery to bolster the squad over the next 2 months.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on June 27, 2023, 07:11:35 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeonW on June 27, 2023, 06:38:12 PM
Quote from: Drummond on June 27, 2023, 06:09:48 PM
Quote from: LeonW on June 27, 2023, 05:35:45 PM
This is one of the summers where there’s flux and it’s an opportunity for us to potentially take a big step up. It is a bit concerning that we’ve only made one free transfer so far. Pre-season is only a couple of weeks away and Emery would want players to join up for it. We didn’t spend much in January because we were apparently going to have a ‘big summer.’ Let’s see if that happens.

It's not concerning. It's that thing where someone, somewhere starts to panic and everyone else joins in. Hardly any team has signed anyone, and the piece of business we have done is very smart indeed.

Everything we've heard is rumour, there's no other football, like a World Cup, to focus minds so everyone is clamouring for news. 

Every club is jockeying for position right now, and they are all, agents included, testing the waters and working out what could happen. It'll all kick off in the next couple of weeks I reckon, when teams start returning from holidays etc. The young players are still at their tournament and the senior players are on holiday after the stupid international games.

Happy to come back to this when the summer transfer window closes.

Great I make that over 8 weeks away, and we're only 2 weeks in to the window officially opening. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on June 27, 2023, 07:11:53 PM
			

			

				I imagine were just moving through our targets - the players we have been linked to are next level - and its great that were having those chats - maybe 1 of them come off.

I would imagine we have backups, and backups to our backups. 

Still think Harvey Barnes will be a Villa player when the transfer window closes too
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 27, 2023, 07:22:53 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Beard82 on June 27, 2023, 07:11:53 PM
I imagine were just moving through our targets - the players we have been linked to are next level - and its great that were having those chats - maybe 1 of them come off.

I would imagine we have backups, and backups to our backups. 

Still think Harvey Barnes will be a Villa player when the transfer window closes too

that’s true, and lets be honest the A-Grade targets will be waiting to see if Liverpool (or whoever) come in for them, so wont sign for anyone this early in the window.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 27, 2023, 07:24:20 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Beard82 on June 27, 2023, 07:11:53 PM
I would imagine we have backups, and backups to our backups. 

Luke Ayling
AOC
Jamie Vardy
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeonW on June 27, 2023, 07:27:11 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on June 27, 2023, 07:11:35 PM
Quote from: LeonW on June 27, 2023, 06:38:12 PM
Quote from: Drummond on June 27, 2023, 06:09:48 PM
Quote from: LeonW on June 27, 2023, 05:35:45 PM
This is one of the summers where there’s flux and it’s an opportunity for us to potentially take a big step up. It is a bit concerning that we’ve only made one free transfer so far. Pre-season is only a couple of weeks away and Emery would want players to join up for it. We didn’t spend much in January because we were apparently going to have a ‘big summer.’ Let’s see if that happens.

It's not concerning. It's that thing where someone, somewhere starts to panic and everyone else joins in. Hardly any team has signed anyone, and the piece of business we have done is very smart indeed.

Everything we've heard is rumour, there's no other football, like a World Cup, to focus minds so everyone is clamouring for news. 

Every club is jockeying for position right now, and they are all, agents included, testing the waters and working out what could happen. It'll all kick off in the next couple of weeks I reckon, when teams start returning from holidays etc. The young players are still at their tournament and the senior players are on holiday after the stupid international games.

Happy to come back to this when the summer transfer window closes.

Great I make that over 8 weeks away, and we're only 2 weeks in to the window officially opening.

It’s usually end of August/early September from memory.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on June 27, 2023, 07:27:42 PM
			

			

				ACR is the one we all want. Imaigne him doing a reverse moonwalk while stretching the shirt.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on June 27, 2023, 07:28:15 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 27, 2023, 07:24:20 PM
Quote from: Beard82 on June 27, 2023, 07:11:53 PM
I would imagine we have backups, and backups to our backups. 

Luke Ayling
AOC
Jamie Vardy

Tip O'Neill
Antonio Inoki
László Krasznahorkai
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Chris Smith on June 27, 2023, 07:38:34 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on June 27, 2023, 07:27:42 PM
ACR is the one we all want. Imaigne him doing a reverse moonwalk while stretching the shirt.

…and singing Shack Up.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on June 27, 2023, 07:43:57 PM
			

			

				We get this every window, it’s déjà vu 

Someone with wet pants comes on and says they’re worried we haven’t signed anyone for a while
Then the Billy big bollocks appeaser shows up telling us all to calm down the windows only been open for xx and a number of big clubs xx haven’t done a business yet either
 
And on it goes until the next window
I’m not judging i myself have been in both camps before now



			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: N'ZMAV on June 27, 2023, 07:46:02 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Beard82 on June 26, 2023, 07:59:13 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 26, 2023, 07:12:44 PM
some Twitter fool is suggesting Johan Lange is at Spurs. Maybe trying to nail down Lo Celso?
To become there new DoF?
 he gave Jedinak a lift
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 27, 2023, 07:47:55 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Chris Smith on June 27, 2023, 07:38:34 PM
Quote from: eamonn on June 27, 2023, 07:27:42 PM
ACR is the one we all want. Imaigne him doing a reverse moonwalk while stretching the shirt.

…and singing Shack Up.

That's twice in a month, Chris. You're more than old enough to remember this..


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Anthenagin on June 27, 2023, 07:50:27 PM
			

			

				Love that tune
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bad English on June 27, 2023, 08:04:37 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Beard82 on June 27, 2023, 07:06:04 PM
Plus we have Wesley and House to come back from loans - they'll be like 2 new signings :-)
I saw Wesley score with my own eyes; we'll always have Everton at home.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on June 27, 2023, 08:14:26 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bad English on June 27, 2023, 08:04:37 PM
Quote from: Beard82 on June 27, 2023, 07:06:04 PM
Plus we have Wesley and House to come back from loans - they'll be like 2 new signings :-)
I saw Wesley score with my own eyes; we'll always have Everton at home.
We've come a long way.

I remember watching that game while on holiday in France - wish I had been there - it sounded electric 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RamboandBruno on June 27, 2023, 08:15:50 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brend'Watkins on June 27, 2023, 04:30:36 PM
I think 'Takes my Breath Away' as I think it was by Tpau. It wasn't. Quite clearly my Pau thought process is all over the place and I've briefly been to the Pyrenees town Pau many years ago.

Tpau was China in your hands, an equally shite record that stayed at number one for an age, strangely addictive though and as a teenager i quite fancied Carole Decker
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Mellin on June 27, 2023, 08:16:19 PM
			

			

				I just want to know why the hell we sold Danny Ings?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: jwarry on June 27, 2023, 09:03:10 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Mellin on June 27, 2023, 08:16:19 PM
I just want to know why the hell we sold Danny Ings?

Because he was shite? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 27, 2023, 09:15:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: jwarry on June 27, 2023, 09:03:10 PM
Quote from: Mellin on June 27, 2023, 08:16:19 PM
I just want to know why the hell we sold Danny Ings?

Because he was shite? 

Top scorer at the time.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smithy on June 27, 2023, 09:16:19 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Beard82 on June 27, 2023, 08:14:26 PM
Quote from: Bad English on June 27, 2023, 08:04:37 PM
Quote from: Beard82 on June 27, 2023, 07:06:04 PM
Plus we have Wesley and House to come back from loans - they'll be like 2 new signings :-)
I saw Wesley score with my own eyes; we'll always have Everton at home.
We've come a long way.

I remember watching that game while on holiday in France - wish I had been there - it sounded electric 

Christ, I remember that night thinking we might well have robbed that lot blind by signing a proper player in Jota...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on June 27, 2023, 09:45:40 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on June 27, 2023, 09:15:18 PM
Quote from: jwarry on June 27, 2023, 09:03:10 PM
Quote from: Mellin on June 27, 2023, 08:16:19 PM
I just want to know why the hell we sold Danny Ings?

Because he was shite? 

Top scorer at the time.

£15m looks a decent deal now. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 27, 2023, 09:56:03 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on June 27, 2023, 09:45:40 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on June 27, 2023, 09:15:18 PM
Quote from: jwarry on June 27, 2023, 09:03:10 PM
Quote from: Mellin on June 27, 2023, 08:16:19 PM
I just want to know why the hell we sold Danny Ings?

Because he was shite? 

Top scorer at the time.

£15m looks a decent deal now. 

Absolutely. Like Coutinho, Ings' injuries look like they've caught up with him.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on June 27, 2023, 09:56:24 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on June 27, 2023, 09:15:18 PM
Quote from: jwarry on June 27, 2023, 09:03:10 PM
Quote from: Mellin on June 27, 2023, 08:16:19 PM
I just want to know why the hell we sold Danny Ings?

Because he was shite? 

Top scorer at the time.

So was Simon Stainrod in 86-87
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smithy on June 27, 2023, 09:57:09 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on June 27, 2023, 09:45:40 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on June 27, 2023, 09:15:18 PM
Quote from: jwarry on June 27, 2023, 09:03:10 PM
Quote from: Mellin on June 27, 2023, 08:16:19 PM
I just want to know why the hell we sold Danny Ings?

Because he was shite? 

Top scorer at the time.

£15m looks a decent deal now. 

He does have a European medal that he didn't have when he left us.  I wouldn't want him back, and I think we did more than okay out of the deal, but I also think both sides did pretty well out of it.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on June 27, 2023, 10:03:39 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smithy on June 27, 2023, 09:16:19 PM
Quote from: Beard82 on June 27, 2023, 08:14:26 PM
Quote from: Bad English on June 27, 2023, 08:04:37 PM
Quote from: Beard82 on June 27, 2023, 07:06:04 PM
Plus we have Wesley and House to come back from loans - they'll be like 2 new signings :-)
I saw Wesley score with my own eyes; we'll always have Everton at home.
We've come a long way.

I remember watching that game while on holiday in France - wish I had been there - it sounded electric 

Christ, I remember that night thinking we might well have robbed that lot blind by signing a proper player in Jota...
Hell yeah - I forgot about him
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ian. on June 27, 2023, 10:05:26 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Mellin on June 27, 2023, 08:16:19 PM
I just want to know why the hell we sold Danny Ings?

Is this really still a thing? I like Danny Ings but our form and Ollie’s especially went through the roof after he left. As good or as useful as he could be he certainly didn’t fit our style of play.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 28, 2023, 01:44:03 AM
			

			

				No links, but I heard him mentioned on a podcast, checked his YouTube reel and fell in love. I imagine he’ll play at least this season for Sheff Utd. Like Grealish on speed (pre-Pep lobotomy) but scores more goals by the look of it. Think this is all 2023.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3cn5QwPor9A
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on June 28, 2023, 04:52:57 AM
			

			

				If Madison joins Spurs for £40m which in today’s market is a steal for a 26yr England international, then Harvey Barnes can’t be the same price. I would hope if we are after him he comes for £30-35m at most. 

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RamboandBruno on June 28, 2023, 06:05:17 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on June 27, 2023, 09:56:24 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on June 27, 2023, 09:15:18 PM
Quote from: jwarry on June 27, 2023, 09:03:10 PM
Quote from: Mellin on June 27, 2023, 08:16:19 PM
I just want to know why the hell we sold Danny Ings?

Because he was shite? 

Top scorer at the time.

So was Simon Stainrod in 86-87

One of the greats…..oh hang on
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Mellin on June 28, 2023, 06:12:36 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ian. on June 27, 2023, 10:05:26 PM
Quote from: Mellin on June 27, 2023, 08:16:19 PM
I just want to know why the hell we sold Danny Ings?

Is this really still a thing? I like Danny Ings but our form and Ollie’s especially went through the roof after he left. As good or as useful as he could be he certainly didn’t fit our style of play.

Don't think it's still a thing. I was being an arse.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 28, 2023, 06:47:49 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 28, 2023, 04:52:57 AM
If Madison joins Spurs for £40m which in today’s market is a steal for a 26yr England international, then Harvey Barnes can’t be the same price. I would hope if we are after him he comes for £30-35m at most. 


Madison has a year left, Harvey has a few I think. It’ll be more than £40m by the end though, that’s their opening offer in the media just to unsettle the player.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: jwarry on June 28, 2023, 07:33:39 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 28, 2023, 06:47:49 AM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 28, 2023, 04:52:57 AM
If Madison joins Spurs for £40m which in today’s market is a steal for a 26yr England international, then Harvey Barnes can’t be the same price. I would hope if we are after him he comes for £30-35m at most. 


Madison has a year left, Harvey has a few I think. It’ll be more than £40m by the end though, that’s their opening offer in the media just to unsettle the player.

Yes and with no DoF it will be Levy being his usual c***ish self.  Hope Leicester stay strong and tell him to piss off
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on June 28, 2023, 08:03:58 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: jwarry on June 28, 2023, 07:33:39 AM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 28, 2023, 06:47:49 AM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 28, 2023, 04:52:57 AM
If Madison joins Spurs for £40m which in today’s market is a steal for a 26yr England international, then Harvey Barnes can’t be the same price. I would hope if we are after him he comes for £30-35m at most. 


Madison has a year left, Harvey has a few I think. It’ll be more than £40m by the end though, that’s their opening offer in the media just to unsettle the player.

Yes and with no DoF it will be Levy being his usual c***ish self.  Hope Leicester stay strong and tell him to piss off

I think they're also under pressure to get him off the wage bill too as it's unsustainable with Championship income.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: frank black on June 28, 2023, 08:05:51 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: jwarry on June 28, 2023, 07:33:39 AM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 28, 2023, 06:47:49 AM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 28, 2023, 04:52:57 AM
If Madison joins Spurs for £40m which in today’s market is a steal for a 26yr England international, then Harvey Barnes can’t be the same price. I would hope if we are after him he comes for £30-35m at most. 


Madison has a year left, Harvey has a few I think. It’ll be more than £40m by the end though, that’s their opening offer in the media just to unsettle the player.

Yes and with no DoF it will be Levy being his usual c***ish self.  Hope Leicester stay strong and tell him to piss off

Looks like it’s been accepted. Decent price
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on June 28, 2023, 09:42:57 AM
			

			

				Great signing for Spurs that, unfortunately. He'll do well playing with Son and Kane (assuming the latter stays).
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: manic-road on June 28, 2023, 09:50:28 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on June 28, 2023, 09:42:57 AM
Great signing for Spurs that, unfortunately. He'll do well playing with Son and Kane (assuming the latter stays).

I actually hope Kane stays and leaves on a free in 12 months, just so that Spurs don't get any cash.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Chris Smith on June 28, 2023, 09:53:58 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on June 28, 2023, 09:42:57 AM
Great signing for Spurs that, unfortunately. He'll do well playing with Son and Kane (assuming the latter stays).

He’s the type of player they need but strikes me as too inconsistent. Looks like Kane could be off to Bayern.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on June 28, 2023, 09:55:58 AM
			

			

				I’d be astonished if Kane went to Bayern.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rigadon on June 28, 2023, 09:59:15 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Chris Smith on June 28, 2023, 09:53:58 AM
Quote from: Risso on June 28, 2023, 09:42:57 AM
Great signing for Spurs that, unfortunately. He'll do well playing with Son and Kane (assuming the latter stays).

He’s the type of player they need but strikes me as too inconsistent. Looks like Kane could be off to Bayern.

And injury prone?  I doubt he will improve them all that much.  Kane to Bayern looks like a 'come and get me plea' aimed at other northern teams who play in red to get their warchest out and prepare a bid.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john2710 on June 28, 2023, 10:10:22 AM
			

			

				Declan Rice, with only 12 months left on his contract £105m to Arsenal. Astonishing business for West Ham. You pay top money for players who create goals, score goals or stop goals. Rice is none of them. A decent player but I'd say he's worth £60m at most. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Baldy on June 28, 2023, 10:21:33 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: john2710 on June 28, 2023, 10:10:22 AM
Declan Rice, with only 12 months left on his contract £105m to Arsenal. Astonishing business for West Ham. You pay top money for players who create goals, score goals or stop goals. Rice is none of them. A decent player but I'd say he's worth £60m at most.

Completely over hyped. A darling of the Media.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on June 28, 2023, 10:25:20 AM
			

			

				No, I think Rice is an excellent player, unfortunately. Great defensively, but can make really good surging runs forward too, and an excellent range of passing. I think he'll be brilliant for Arsenal, and at least he hasn't gone to Man City.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rigadon on June 28, 2023, 10:27:46 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on June 28, 2023, 10:25:20 AM
No, I think Rice is an excellent player, unfortunately. Great defensively, but can make really good surging runs forward too, and an excellent range of passing. I think he'll be brilliant for Arsenal, and at least he hasn't gone to Man City.

Agree.  Consistent too given he's only 23/24 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on June 28, 2023, 10:29:42 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rigadon on June 28, 2023, 10:27:46 AM
Quote from: Risso on June 28, 2023, 10:25:20 AM
No, I think Rice is an excellent player, unfortunately. Great defensively, but can make really good surging runs forward too, and an excellent range of passing. I think he'll be brilliant for Arsenal, and at least he hasn't gone to Man City.

Agree.  Consistent too given he's only 23/24

I didn't think much of him until I watched him closely when we played them, he really was superb and ran the game. He's only going to get better too.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Tony Daleys Shorts on June 28, 2023, 10:31:55 AM
			

			

				Agree, Rodri is Man City’s key player, as was Kante for the last decent Chelsea side.

Kamara made a huge difference to our midfield.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on June 28, 2023, 10:32:16 AM
			

			

				Agreed, you need to see him in the flesh to see how good he is. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on June 28, 2023, 10:35:44 AM
			

			

				Rice is a superb player and a decent bloke.  He's very young and could be Arsenal's key player for the next 8-10 years.  I think it's a fantastic signing for them.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on June 28, 2023, 10:42:11 AM
			

			

				If I had a magic wand, Declan Rice will be the first player I would sign for Aston Villa. He’s stunning player, who has everything.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Axl Rose on June 28, 2023, 10:46:27 AM
			

			

				I thought he loved West Ham? If so, why's he leaving? 

Obvious answers aside.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 28, 2023, 10:46:53 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rigadon on June 28, 2023, 09:59:15 AM
Quote from: Chris Smith on June 28, 2023, 09:53:58 AM
Quote from: Risso on June 28, 2023, 09:42:57 AM
Great signing for Spurs that, unfortunately. He'll do well playing with Son and Kane (assuming the latter stays).

He’s the type of player they need but strikes me as too inconsistent. Looks like Kane could be off to Bayern.

And injury prone?  I doubt he will improve them all that much.  

Agreed. I really wouldn't have been arsed about him coming here.

Declan Rice on the other hand, quality player. We're not at the level to get him though currently but lets hope in 5 years time we might be capable of getting the equivalent.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on June 28, 2023, 10:48:02 AM
			

			

				I think he's a great player, but it's a position we are particularly blessed in
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on June 28, 2023, 10:49:20 AM
			

			

				I'll add that if we could take one player from West Ham that would make a big difference,  it would be Bowen
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on June 28, 2023, 10:50:02 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Axl Rose on June 28, 2023, 10:46:27 AM
I thought he loved West Ham? If so, why's he leaving? 

He was a Chelsea fan growing up.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on June 28, 2023, 10:54:45 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on June 28, 2023, 10:49:20 AM
I'll add that if we could take one player from West Ham that would make a big difference,  it would be Bowen
I agree Bowen would be a decent fit for us, but Rice is elite.  I agree we're ok with Dogie and Kamara, but Rice would improve every team in the PL (well, squad option for Man City, but they're not a real club)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on June 28, 2023, 10:57:10 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on June 28, 2023, 10:25:20 AM
No, I think Rice is an excellent player, unfortunately. Great defensively, but can make really good surging runs forward too, and an excellent range of passing. I think he'll be brilliant for Arsenal, and at least he hasn't gone to Man City.

Yep I’ve come round to that view. I used to think he was overrated, not anymore.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on June 28, 2023, 10:57:42 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on June 28, 2023, 10:49:20 AM
I'll add that if we could take one player from West Ham that would make a big difference,  it would be Bowen

And his Dad's Villa, must have rubbed off on him and not just with him playing for the wrong claret and blue club.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on June 28, 2023, 10:58:39 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on June 28, 2023, 10:54:45 AM
Quote from: LeeB on June 28, 2023, 10:49:20 AM
I'll add that if we could take one player from West Ham that would make a big difference,  it would be Bowen
I agree Bowen would be a decent fit for us, but Rice is elite.  I agree we're ok with Dogie and Kamara, but Rice would improve every team in the PL (well, squad option for Man City, but they're not a real club)

Kamara is his equal and I think has a higher ceiling
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on June 28, 2023, 11:02:48 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on June 28, 2023, 10:58:39 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on June 28, 2023, 10:54:45 AM
Quote from: LeeB on June 28, 2023, 10:49:20 AM
I'll add that if we could take one player from West Ham that would make a big difference,  it would be Bowen
I agree Bowen would be a decent fit for us, but Rice is elite.  I agree we're ok with Dogie and Kamara, but Rice would improve every team in the PL (well, squad option for Man City, but they're not a real club)

Kamara is his equal and I think has a higher ceiling
I like Kamara a lot, but I don't think so tbh.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villabear on June 28, 2023, 11:07:02 AM
			

			

				Rice comes across as a really nice bloke. I do like the way he always seems to clap the opposition fans. Good luck to him.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on June 28, 2023, 11:11:28 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on June 28, 2023, 11:02:48 AM
Quote from: LeeB on June 28, 2023, 10:58:39 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on June 28, 2023, 10:54:45 AM
Quote from: LeeB on June 28, 2023, 10:49:20 AM
I'll add that if we could take one player from West Ham that would make a big difference,  it would be Bowen
I agree Bowen would be a decent fit for us, but Rice is elite.  I agree we're ok with Dogie and Kamara, but Rice would improve every team in the PL (well, squad option for Man City, but they're not a real club)

Kamara is his equal and I think has a higher ceiling
I like Kamara a lot, but I don't think so tbh.

Rice is stronger, but that's fixable,and Kamara has a better passing range, with both feet, and the timing of his tackling is immaculate.


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on June 28, 2023, 11:15:06 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on June 28, 2023, 10:54:45 AM
Quote from: LeeB on June 28, 2023, 10:49:20 AM
I'll add that if we could take one player from West Ham that would make a big difference,  it would be Bowen
I agree Bowen would be a decent fit for us, but Rice is elite.  I agree we're ok with Dogie and Kamara, but Rice would improve every team in the PL (well, squad option for Man City, but they're not a real club)

I wouldn't trade Kamara for Rice... 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on June 28, 2023, 11:20:43 AM
			

			

				Man City seemed to only be bidding for Rice to keep him away from Arsenal. They've already got Rodri, just signed Kovaceic and still have Kalvin Phillips making a fortune collecting splinters. Straight out of City's playbook though to sign players to keep them away from rival clubs. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Vegas on June 28, 2023, 11:31:01 AM
			

			

				I think Rice is a great buy for Arsenal, and Maddison is a great buy for spurs, sadly. I would have hoped we would have been in for Maddison especially at £40m. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SoccerHQ on June 28, 2023, 11:32:12 AM
			

			

				Didn't we nearly sign Rice on loan in one of the Bruce seasons?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on June 28, 2023, 11:32:27 AM
			

			

				He's Cov, isn't he? Always likes to do well against us. He may not have come. Money talks obvs but if it were a straight choice between us and someone else on similar terms, I wouldn't be surprised if he turned us down. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on June 28, 2023, 11:53:11 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Vegas on June 28, 2023, 11:31:01 AM
I think Rice is a great buy for Arsenal, and Maddison is a great buy for spurs, sadly. I would have hoped we would have been in for Maddison especially at £40m. 

I guess midfield is one area where we're pretty well stocked, although he's have been a huge upgrade on Buendia.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Axl Rose on June 28, 2023, 12:01:31 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on June 28, 2023, 10:50:02 AM
Quote from: Axl Rose on June 28, 2023, 10:46:27 AM
I thought he loved West Ham? If so, why's he leaving? 

He was a Chelsea fan growing up.

Oh ok.

I don't like him then.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 28, 2023, 12:09:53 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pablo_picasso on June 28, 2023, 11:15:06 AM
I wouldn't trade Kamara for Rice... 

I would, in a straight swap. However Kamara for free is far better than Rice for £105m, and though I rate Rice as better we still have a excellent player.

Madison for £40m vs Buendia for £30m is a different matter. Madison is significantly better, and worth far more.

Both Spurs and Arsenal have upgraded their first team with those signings. Got to feel sorry for Leicester fans Madison out and Winks in!

I still hope we sign Barnes, and if Madison went for £40m we may well get him for less than I thought.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smithy on June 28, 2023, 12:15:37 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on June 28, 2023, 12:09:53 PM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on June 28, 2023, 11:15:06 AM
I wouldn't trade Kamara for Rice... 

I would, in a straight swap. However Kamara for free is far better than Rice for £105m, and though I rate Rice as better we still have a excellent player.

Madison for £40m vs Buendia for £30m is a different matter. Madison is significantly better, and worth far more.

Both Spurs and Arsenal have upgraded their first team with those signings. Got to feel sorry for Leicester fans Madison out and Winks in!

I still hope we sign Barnes, and if Madison went for £40m we may well get him for less than I thought.

Maddison for £40m doesn't sound right at all, given the market right now.  Maybe he's got a relegation clause making him more affordable?  Maybe it's the impact of only 12 months left on his contract? Either way, at £40m I'll be stunned if there isn't more competition for his signature.  I'd like us to be involved in the bidding, I think he'd be immediately ahead of Buendia and Coutinho in the pecking order.  

But in Emery we trust, and if he doesn't fancy him, so be it!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on June 28, 2023, 12:24:43 PM
			

			

				I imagine Maddidon fancied London.

I really like him as a player and would have loved to have signed him.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: jwarry on June 28, 2023, 12:48:29 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on June 28, 2023, 11:20:43 AM
Man City seemed to only be bidding for Rice to keep him away from Arsenal. They've already got Rodri, just signed Kovaceic and still have Kalvin Phillips making a fortune collecting splinters. Straight out of City's playbook though to sign players to keep them away from rival clubs. 

Or to force them to up their price so they can’t afford other signings 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on June 28, 2023, 12:58:44 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: jwarry on June 28, 2023, 12:48:29 PM
Quote from: OCD on June 28, 2023, 11:20:43 AM
Man City seemed to only be bidding for Rice to keep him away from Arsenal. They've already got Rodri, just signed Kovaceic and still have Kalvin Phillips making a fortune collecting splinters. Straight out of City's playbook though to sign players to keep them away from rival clubs. 

Or to force them to up their price so they can’t afford other signings 

See Harry Maguire, though that was quite funny in fairness
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on June 28, 2023, 01:07:40 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: jwarry on June 28, 2023, 12:48:29 PM
Quote from: OCD on June 28, 2023, 11:20:43 AM
Man City seemed to only be bidding for Rice to keep him away from Arsenal. They've already got Rodri, just signed Kovaceic and still have Kalvin Phillips making a fortune collecting splinters. Straight out of City's playbook though to sign players to keep them away from rival clubs. 

Or to force them to up their price so they can’t afford other signings 

West Ham were already doing that. Orginally they were asking for £120m. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on June 28, 2023, 01:28:24 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on June 28, 2023, 12:09:53 PM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on June 28, 2023, 11:15:06 AM
I wouldn't trade Kamara for Rice... 

I would, in a straight swap. However Kamara for free is far better than Rice for £105m, and though I rate Rice as better we still have a excellent player.

Madison for £40m vs Buendia for £30m is a different matter. Madison is significantly better, and worth far more.

Both Spurs and Arsenal have upgraded their first team with those signings. Got to feel sorry for Leicester fans Madison out and Winks in!

I still hope we sign Barnes, and if Madison went for £40m we may well get him for less than I thought.

I think Kamara is already a better player than Rice. 

Offer me one of the two for free & Im picking Kamara every day of the week & twice on Tuesday.

Don't get me wrong, Rice is excellent & I would love him at the club, but for me, he isn't better than Kamara currently is & wont be when they both reach their potential ceilings either. 

Im not a huge fan of Maddison either. He is a pound shop Grealish & flatters to deceive more often then not. 

He is better than Buendia though, but I think we can do better than Maddison.

All of this is just my humble opinion of course... 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on June 28, 2023, 01:40:31 PM
			

			

				I disagree with you Pablo.  Won't be the first or last time.  All about opinions as you say.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 28, 2023, 01:42:25 PM
			

			

				I really like Kamara but I don't think there would be many people who agree that he is currently better than Rice.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on June 28, 2023, 01:43:34 PM
			

			

				Rice is better but he sure as shit isn't £105m better.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on June 28, 2023, 01:45:15 PM
			

			

				I'd be quite happy to accept that Rice is a better player than Kamara right now. But Kamara was free and Rice costs more than (probably) our entire annual transfer budget. And as others have said, I'm not sure he's *that* much better. Plus, let's be honest, the only clubs spending that kind of money on a marginal gain are ones higher up the food chain than us right now.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on June 28, 2023, 01:48:20 PM
			

			

				Rice is better than Kamara right now but I agree with LeeB in that I think if we can get Kamara to be a bit more physical I can see that gap closing significantly. I reckon Tim, if he puts the work in and keeps pushing himself, can get to a similar level as well.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on June 28, 2023, 01:49:44 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on June 28, 2023, 01:48:20 PM
Rice is better than Kamara right now but I agree with LeeB in that I think if we can get Kamara to be a bit more physical I can see that gap closing significantly. I reckon Tim, if he puts the work in and keeps pushing himself, can get to a similar level as well.

Agreed about Iroegbunam. He could be top quality.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on June 28, 2023, 01:51:57 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: algy on June 28, 2023, 01:45:15 PM
I'd be quite happy to accept that Rice is a better player than Kamara right now. But Kamara was free and Rice costs more than (probably) our entire annual transfer budget. And as others have said, I'm not sure he's *that* much better. Plus, let's be honest, the only clubs spending that kind of money on a marginal gain are ones higher up the food chain than us right now.

I'd hope we have more than £105m to spend this summer. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: enigma on June 28, 2023, 02:05:35 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: algy on June 28, 2023, 01:45:15 PM
I'd be quite happy to accept that Rice is a better player than Kamara right now. But Kamara was free and Rice costs more than (probably) our entire annual transfer budget. And as others have said, I'm not sure he's *that* much better. Plus, let's be honest, the only clubs spending that kind of money on a marginal gain are ones higher up the food chain than us right now.
I'd say Rice is a lot more than just a marginal gain for Arsenal. He's basically Xhaka's replacement and he's a huge upgrade on him. Very good signing for them if they get it over the line.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on June 28, 2023, 02:38:19 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on June 28, 2023, 01:51:57 PM
Quote from: algy on June 28, 2023, 01:45:15 PM
I'd be quite happy to accept that Rice is a better player than Kamara right now. But Kamara was free and Rice costs more than (probably) our entire annual transfer budget. And as others have said, I'm not sure he's *that* much better. Plus, let's be honest, the only clubs spending that kind of money on a marginal gain are ones higher up the food chain than us right now.

I'd hope we have more than £105m to spend this summer.
Based on what?  We've only spent that amount once, and that was when we had to build practically an entire squad from scratch.  Every other season we've been in the £60m-£80m range. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on June 28, 2023, 02:43:11 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: algy on June 28, 2023, 02:38:19 PM
Quote from: eamonn on June 28, 2023, 01:51:57 PM
Quote from: algy on June 28, 2023, 01:45:15 PM
I'd be quite happy to accept that Rice is a better player than Kamara right now. But Kamara was free and Rice costs more than (probably) our entire annual transfer budget. And as others have said, I'm not sure he's *that* much better. Plus, let's be honest, the only clubs spending that kind of money on a marginal gain are ones higher up the food chain than us right now.

I'd hope we have more than £105m to spend this summer.
Based on what?  We've only spent that amount once, and that was when we had to build practically an entire squad from scratch.  Every other season we've been in the £60m-£80m range. 

When we spent not very much in January it was strongly hinted that we were keeping our powder dry for the summer.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smithy on June 28, 2023, 02:53:59 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: algy on June 28, 2023, 02:38:19 PM
Quote from: eamonn on June 28, 2023, 01:51:57 PM
Quote from: algy on June 28, 2023, 01:45:15 PM
I'd be quite happy to accept that Rice is a better player than Kamara right now. But Kamara was free and Rice costs more than (probably) our entire annual transfer budget. And as others have said, I'm not sure he's *that* much better. Plus, let's be honest, the only clubs spending that kind of money on a marginal gain are ones higher up the food chain than us right now.

I'd hope we have more than £105m to spend this summer.
Based on what?  We've only spent that amount once, and that was when we had to build practically an entire squad from scratch.  Every other season we've been in the £60m-£80m range. 

That's not strictly true.  That might be the average over a decent period of time, but across the last four transfer windows we've spent a grand total of less than £50m net.  We spent big when we came up, but given the Grealish money, we've kept our powder relatively dry for a couple of years now.  I've no idea what our FFP position ACTUALLY is, but it wouldn't surprise me if we had the wiggle room to spend £100m+ this summer if the manager wants to, especially given our performances since Emery came in, and European football on the agenda.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 28, 2023, 02:57:59 PM
			

			

				It's not really altogether about how much you spend though, it's just getting the right players in, whatever. Our most talented outfield player Kamara cost nothing last summer. Our world class GK was a relatively cheap £20m. On the other hand, Bailey, Buendia and Ings cost a combined £90m plus. 

We just have to do shrewd business, but i would hope that if we have the chance to sign someone that Emery thinks will make a big difference but the cost is £50m or so, we'll still do it. And maybe more than once if need be.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on June 28, 2023, 03:04:28 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on June 28, 2023, 02:43:11 PM
Quote from: algy on June 28, 2023, 02:38:19 PM
Quote from: eamonn on June 28, 2023, 01:51:57 PM
Quote from: algy on June 28, 2023, 01:45:15 PM
I'd be quite happy to accept that Rice is a better player than Kamara right now. But Kamara was free and Rice costs more than (probably) our entire annual transfer budget. And as others have said, I'm not sure he's *that* much better. Plus, let's be honest, the only clubs spending that kind of money on a marginal gain are ones higher up the food chain than us right now.

I'd hope we have more than £105m to spend this summer.
Based on what?  We've only spent that amount once, and that was when we had to build practically an entire squad from scratch.  Every other season we've been in the £60m-£80m range. 

When we spent not very much in January it was strongly hinted that we were keeping our powder dry for the summer.

You'd also think that they know that the investment to go from top eight to top four is likely to be more than the investment needed to go from bottom six to mid-table.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Mister E on June 28, 2023, 03:28:10 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on June 28, 2023, 01:42:25 PM
I really like Kamara but I don't think there would be many people who agree that he is currently better than Rice.
I agree. And I'd also agree with paul_e that Tim is a definite star-in-the-making.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 28, 2023, 04:02:42 PM
			

			

				If we weren't going to spend the money, I doubt we'd have got Monchi in.


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on June 28, 2023, 04:04:40 PM
			

			

				We've not spent any money on June 28th which obviously for some means we won't spend any money at all. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on June 28, 2023, 04:06:37 PM
			

			

				I'm losing patience of people being impatient. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: jwarry on June 28, 2023, 04:18:31 PM
			

			

				Doubt anything will happen but I’m expecting rumours galore on Monday when Monchi’s in town
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villafirst on June 28, 2023, 04:29:06 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on June 28, 2023, 01:42:25 PM
I really like Kamara but I don't think there would be many people who agree that he is currently better than Rice.

Rice is an attacking midfielder, Kamara is a DM.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Hookeysmith on June 28, 2023, 04:32:44 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: jwarry on June 28, 2023, 04:18:31 PM
Doubt anything will happen but I’m expecting rumours galore on Monday when Monchi’s in town

Only in town then...WTF has he been doing? ;)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 28, 2023, 04:40:26 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Villafirst on June 28, 2023, 04:29:06 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on June 28, 2023, 01:42:25 PM
I really like Kamara but I don't think there would be many people who agree that he is currently better than Rice.

Rice is an attacking midfielder, Kamara is a DM.

Not sure i'd agree, i'd say they're both 'central' midfielders who can play defensive or possibly more attacking if required.

Kamara doesn't dominate games like Rice does at the moment but his technique is probably a bit better, he could end up being as good. Needs to stay fit for longer though for starters.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on June 28, 2023, 04:40:49 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Villafirst on June 28, 2023, 04:29:06 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on June 28, 2023, 01:42:25 PM
I really like Kamara but I don't think there would be many people who agree that he is currently better than Rice.

Rice is an attacking midfielder, Kamara is a DM.

No he's not, and if he was 15 goals in about 250 games would be piss poor
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on June 28, 2023, 05:23:09 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on June 28, 2023, 02:43:11 PM
Quote from: algy on June 28, 2023, 02:38:19 PM
Quote from: eamonn on June 28, 2023, 01:51:57 PM
Quote from: algy on June 28, 2023, 01:45:15 PM
I'd be quite happy to accept that Rice is a better player than Kamara right now. But Kamara was free and Rice costs more than (probably) our entire annual transfer budget. And as others have said, I'm not sure he's *that* much better. Plus, let's be honest, the only clubs spending that kind of money on a marginal gain are ones higher up the food chain than us right now.

I'd hope we have more than £105m to spend this summer.
Based on what?  We've only spent that amount once, and that was when we had to build practically an entire squad from scratch.  Every other season we've been in the £60m-£80m range. 

When we spent not very much in January it was strongly hinted that we were keeping our powder dry for the summer.

It was, and my feeling is that we are certainly going to try. However, my only caveat is getting some more high quality free transfers, like Tielemans. If we get more of his ilk on big, big salaries then that's the only excuse really isn't it? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on June 28, 2023, 05:27:32 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on June 28, 2023, 04:40:49 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on June 28, 2023, 04:29:06 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on June 28, 2023, 01:42:25 PM
I really like Kamara but I don't think there would be many people who agree that he is currently better than Rice.

Rice is an attacking midfielder, Kamara is a DM.

No he's not, and if he was 15 goals in about 250 games would be piss poor
Rice is very good at steping forward with the ball, but he's far from an attacking midfielder.  First and foremost he's a DM who works very well in a pair / double pivot.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: enigma on June 28, 2023, 06:18:00 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Villafirst on June 28, 2023, 04:29:06 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on June 28, 2023, 01:42:25 PM
I really like Kamara but I don't think there would be many people who agree that he is currently better than Rice.

Rice is an attacking midfielder, Kamara is a DM.
Are you confusing him with his best mate Mount?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on June 28, 2023, 06:34:02 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Villafirst on June 28, 2023, 04:29:06 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on June 28, 2023, 01:42:25 PM
I really like Kamara but I don't think there would be many people who agree that he is currently better than Rice.

Rice is an attacking midfielder, Kamara is a DM.
Calling Rice attacking midfielder is like saying Harry Maguire is a centre half.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on June 28, 2023, 06:44:14 PM
			

			

				Lets hope Purslow helps West Ham spend the Rice transfer fee.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on June 28, 2023, 07:03:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: olaftab on June 28, 2023, 06:34:02 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on June 28, 2023, 04:29:06 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on June 28, 2023, 01:42:25 PM
I really like Kamara but I don't think there would be many people who agree that he is currently better than Rice.

Rice is an attacking midfielder, Kamara is a DM.
Calling Rice attacking midfielder is like saying Harry Maguire is a centre half.

:)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Goldenballs on June 28, 2023, 07:05:42 PM
			

			

				Declan Rice was the only player in Europe's top five leagues to register 30+ in each of these metrics in 2022/23:

◉ 63 interceptions
◉ 55 clearances
◉ 40 take-ons completed
◉ 37 chances created
◉ 37 aerial duels won
◉ 36 shots

Kamara on a free was a fantastic bit of business, but at the moment I'd have Rice ahead of him.

And if Leicester are flogging Madisson for £40m I'd be all over that. Miles better than Buendia and Coutinho, an instant first team upgrade. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on June 28, 2023, 07:12:49 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clampy on June 28, 2023, 04:06:37 PM
I'm losing patience of people being impatient.
I think that's unfair, but a lot of its around.  You could say, Im losing patience, with those losing patience at those losing patience 

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on June 28, 2023, 07:18:30 PM
			

			

				If we are NOT in for Maddison at 40mill, we must be bringing in a hell of a player. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on June 28, 2023, 07:36:24 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on June 28, 2023, 07:18:30 PM
If we are NOT in for Maddison at 40mill, we must be bringing in a hell of a player. 
Or Maddison would prefer to go to Spurs.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on June 28, 2023, 07:51:12 PM
			

			

				If the price for Maddison is genuinely £40m, then I think it is telling that only Spurs are seriously in for him. 

My take, for what it is worth, is he is a very Spursy player. He will look great sometimes in the highlights and be missing or wasteful the rest of the time. 

It is a mute point as to whether he is better/more effective than Buendia or Coutinho, as I hope when we next buy a '10' it is a considerable upgrade on all of them, most especially in terms of affecting the game. UTV.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on June 28, 2023, 08:07:30 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on June 28, 2023, 07:36:24 PM
Quote from: Steve67 on June 28, 2023, 07:18:30 PM
If we are NOT in for Maddison at 40mill, we must be bringing in a hell of a player. 
Or Maddison would prefer to go to Spurs.
Or Unai doesn’t rate the bloke. Spurs do value deals they don’t sign desirable talented players. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on June 28, 2023, 08:13:43 PM
			

			

				I think Maddison is a great player but like others have said we have some good choices already in midfield

Reading through the pages, I think i probably rate Buendia higher than most on here and Cash for that matter
I don’t see them as weak links at all

my priority list of players for upgrading would be (not in any particular order)
Konsa
Bailey
Dendonker 
Digne 
Traoré  (been a fan of his but he’s not going to work in a Emery team)
Coutinho (I like him, but injured too much)


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on June 28, 2023, 08:29:15 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: john e on June 28, 2023, 08:13:43 PM
I think Maddison is a great player but like others have said we have some good choices already in midfield

Reading through the pages, I think i probably rate Buendia higher than most on here and Cash for that matter
I don’t see them as weak links at all

my priority list of players for upgrading would be (not in any particular order)
Konsa
Bailey
Dendonker 
Digne 
Traoré  (been a fan of his but he’s not going to work in a Emery team)
Coutinho (I like him, but injured too much)
Bailey and Cash we desperately need upgrades/competition for 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: JB1811 on June 28, 2023, 08:50:08 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Beard82 on June 28, 2023, 08:29:15 PM
Quote from: john e on June 28, 2023, 08:13:43 PM
I think Maddison is a great player but like others have said we have some good choices already in midfield

Reading through the pages, I think i probably rate Buendia higher than most on here and Cash for that matter
I don’t see them as weak links at all

my priority list of players for upgrading would be (not in any particular order)
Konsa
Bailey
Dendonker 
Digne 
Traoré  (been a fan of his but he’s not going to work in a Emery team)
Coutinho (I like him, but injured too much)
Bailey and Cash we desperately need upgrades/competition for 
And for the love of McGrath, an upgrade on Olsen!!!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: N'ZMAV on June 28, 2023, 08:50:35 PM
			

			

				I'd add Buendia to that list too - decent squad player, but we need an upgrade to start most weeks
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 28, 2023, 08:53:24 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Russ aka Big Nose on June 28, 2023, 07:51:12 PM
If the price for Maddison is genuinely £40m, then I think it is telling that only Spurs are seriously in for him. 

My take, for what it is worth, is he is a very Spursy player. He will look great sometimes in the highlights and be missing or wasteful the rest of the time. 

Yeah, I'm not upset we weren't in for him but was hoping Spurs would have to pay a lot more for him.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 28, 2023, 08:54:55 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on June 28, 2023, 07:18:30 PM
If we are NOT in for Maddison at 40mill, we must be bringing in a hell of a player.

You say that like 40m is a snip. 

He’s got a year left on his contract. If anything they’re over paying. 

Plus he’d never have come here. He’s from
cov and has mentioned how much it means beating us before. 


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 28, 2023, 08:59:42 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: N'ZMAV on June 28, 2023, 08:50:35 PM
I'd add Buendia to that list too - decent squad player, but we need an upgrade to start most weeks

My logic is you replace Coutinho and Buendia naturally becomes the squad player.

I’m surprised by the anti-cash sentiment.  Wasn’t he player of the year the season before last?  Is it that he doesn’t suit the new defensive role he’s been given?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on June 28, 2023, 09:00:37 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 28, 2023, 08:54:55 PM
Quote from: Steve67 on June 28, 2023, 07:18:30 PM
If we are NOT in for Maddison at 40mill, we must be bringing in a hell of a player.

You say that like 40m is a snip. 

He’s got a year left on his contract. If anything they’re over paying. 

Plus he’d never have come here. He’s from
cov and has mentioned how much it means beating us before. 



He's a good player.  Hopefully, we spend 40mill on an even better one.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ads on June 28, 2023, 09:07:25 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 28, 2023, 08:54:55 PM
Quote from: Steve67 on June 28, 2023, 07:18:30 PM
If we are NOT in for Maddison at 40mill, we must be bringing in a hell of a player.

You say that like 40m is a snip. 

He’s got a year left on his contract. If anything they’re over paying. 

Plus he’d never have come here. He’s from
cov and has mentioned how much it means beating us before. 



He Tweeted after they beat us at Villa Park about how they were back. Trololololol. Twat.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: andyh on June 28, 2023, 09:11:10 PM
			

			

				Arse sign Havertz and Rice fee agreed today
Spuds sign Maddison

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: clash city rocker on June 28, 2023, 09:15:30 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: andyh on June 28, 2023, 09:11:10 PM
Arse sign Havertz and Rice fee agreed today
Spuds sign Maddison

At the money for me Rice massively overated and Maddison quite overated 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 28, 2023, 09:18:08 PM
			

			

				Rice is expensive but he is a massive upgrade on Xhaka, it makes sense for them.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on June 28, 2023, 09:18:57 PM
			

			

				I think Maddison is Cheap and Rice is about right, when you compare it to whats happening in the world.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: aj2k77 on June 28, 2023, 09:28:25 PM
			

			

				If Tottenham lose Kane they're fucked.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on June 28, 2023, 09:31:46 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on June 28, 2023, 09:18:08 PM
Rice is expensive but he is a massive upgrade on Xhaka, it makes sense for them.

And Rice could well be there for the next 10 years.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on June 28, 2023, 10:08:20 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: aj2k77 on June 28, 2023, 09:28:25 PM
If Tottenham lose Kane they're fucked.

Sonny don't go away
I'm here all alone
Your daddy's a sailor
And never came home 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: rob_bridge on June 28, 2023, 10:11:45 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on June 28, 2023, 09:31:46 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on June 28, 2023, 09:18:08 PM
Rice is expensive but he is a massive upgrade on Xhaka, it makes sense for them.

And Rice could well be there for the next 10 years. 

Exactly - Rice is (if it works) is their Roy Keane - half a notch down but still likely to be excellent. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ads on June 28, 2023, 10:43:25 PM
			

			

				Half a notch? If Rice ever puts in a performance quite like Keane did against Juventus in 1999 then he might be worth talking about in the same sentence.


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on June 28, 2023, 10:49:04 PM
			

			

				The English tax on Declan Rice, a defensive midfielder, is astonishing. I’m not saying he’s not a good player, but £100m? Fucking hell. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on June 28, 2023, 10:49:55 PM
			

			

				You have to smile at us all describing £40m as a snip. It’s more than our entire Matchday revenue for a whole season. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: andyh on June 28, 2023, 10:51:04 PM
			

			

				I like Rice.
He’s my favourite none villa player I think.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 28, 2023, 10:53:30 PM
			

			

				They are paying massively over the odds for Rice but no so much as they are for Havertz.

I don't even know what Havertz is supposed to do. Total nothing player.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on June 28, 2023, 10:58:01 PM
			

			

				I’ve seen Havertz likened to a lesser version of Thomas Muller and I can sort of get that, his exact position is hard to tie down but he does occasionally get goals and assists. But they could have got the real version for approximately £65m less. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 28, 2023, 10:58:45 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PeterWithe on June 28, 2023, 10:58:01 PM
I’ve seen Havertz likened to a lesser version of Thomas Muller and I can sort of get that, his exact position is hard to tie down but he does occasionally get goals and assists. But they could have got the real version for approximately £65m less. 

Like Thomas Mueller if he were forced to play in clogs.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 28, 2023, 11:02:31 PM
			

			

				Havertz must be rated for a reason, I agree though I've not really seen it but he's been spoken about for years. He's definitely not a number 9 anyway but he probably should be in the Odegaard position so I do wonder what the plan is for him.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john2710 on June 28, 2023, 11:12:57 PM
			

			

				Arsenal are spending upwards of £200m, yet their season fell apart because of an injury to a centre half. They'll need to spend another chunk on a centre half or two.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 28, 2023, 11:15:19 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: john2710 on June 28, 2023, 11:12:57 PM
Arsenal are spending upwards of £200m, yet their season fell apart because of an injury to a centre half. They'll need to spend another chunk on a centre half or two.

TBF Rice in midfield is the sort of signing they've needed, and failed, to make since Patrick Vieira went.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on June 28, 2023, 11:18:14 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on June 28, 2023, 11:02:31 PM
Havertz must be rated for a reason, I agree though I've not really seen it but he's been spoken about for years. He's definitely not a number 9 anyway but he probably should be in the Odegaard position so I do wonder what the plan is for him.

To play as a ‘left sided No8’ according to Arteta. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on June 28, 2023, 11:19:02 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: john2710 on June 28, 2023, 11:12:57 PM
Arsenal are spending upwards of £200m, yet their season fell apart because of an injury to a centre half. They'll need to spend another chunk on a centre half or two.

Buying someone from Ajax for another £50m. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on June 28, 2023, 11:22:54 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on June 28, 2023, 11:02:31 PM
Havertz must be rated for a reason, I agree though I've not really seen it but he's been spoken about for years. He's definitely not a number 9 anyway but he probably should be in the Odegaard position so I do wonder what the plan is for him.

Can see him being the type of player who could flourish playing regular football. Similar to Gabriel Jesus. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on June 28, 2023, 11:59:42 PM
			

			

				Kim Min Jae joining Bayern should now pave the way for us getting Pau Torres
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 29, 2023, 12:08:15 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 28, 2023, 11:59:42 PM
Kim Min Jae joining Bayern should not pave the way for us getting Pau Torres

Should, surely?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on June 29, 2023, 12:10:46 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 29, 2023, 12:08:15 AM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 28, 2023, 11:59:42 PM
Kim Min Jae joining Bayern should not pave the way for us getting Pau Torres

Should, surely?

I meant to type now. 

Amazing what one wrong word can do to a sentence
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 29, 2023, 12:47:45 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 29, 2023, 12:10:46 AM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 29, 2023, 12:08:15 AM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 28, 2023, 11:59:42 PM
Kim Min Jae joining Bayern should not pave the way for us getting Pau Torres

Should, surely?

I meant to type now. 

Amazing what one wrong word can do to a sentence

Haha, sorry, I thought I might be missing something.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Joe S on June 29, 2023, 07:16:24 AM
			

			

				Back to Villa, the Pau Torres links were doing the usual yesterday. Alex Crook on Talkshite suggested it was real and if we "pulled it off" it would be a very strong signing. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on June 29, 2023, 09:33:39 AM
			

			

				What about the worries that he's crap in the air?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on June 29, 2023, 10:02:19 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ads on June 28, 2023, 10:43:25 PM
Half a notch? If Rice ever puts in a performance quite like Keane did against Juventus in 1999 then he might be worth talking about in the same sentence.

They both did walk out on their country...so there is that. Keane did say last season that Rice is better than he was at the same age but I'm not convinced. Keane always seemed a lot more dynamic to me, got around the pitch a lot quicker. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on June 29, 2023, 10:34:18 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: tomd2103 on June 28, 2023, 11:22:54 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on June 28, 2023, 11:02:31 PM
Havertz must be rated for a reason, I agree though I've not really seen it but he's been spoken about for years. He's definitely not a number 9 anyway but he probably should be in the Odegaard position so I do wonder what the plan is for him.

Can see him being the type of player who could flourish playing regular football. Similar to Gabriel Jesus.
But Jesus is allright but a bit goal shy like Havertz. Dont think its enough to win them a title.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on June 29, 2023, 10:36:18 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: brontebilly on June 29, 2023, 10:02:19 AM
Quote from: Ads on June 28, 2023, 10:43:25 PM
Half a notch? If Rice ever puts in a performance quite like Keane did against Juventus in 1999 then he might be worth talking about in the same sentence.

They both did walk out on their country...so there is that. Keane did say last season that Rice is better than he was at the same age but I'm not convinced. Keane always seemed a lot more dynamic to me, got around the pitch a lot quicker.
I dont think Rice is or ever will be as good as Keane.
He is a great player but not that great.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on June 29, 2023, 10:38:06 AM
			

			

				Talk of him wanting to play deeper and them playing him as an no.8 off the left, pretty much nailing any chance of Smith Rowe getting more games. I'm covinced we'll try and sign him, and as they're spending the best part of £200m so far they'll take our offer to balance up.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on June 29, 2023, 10:39:19 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on June 29, 2023, 10:38:06 AM
Talk of him wanting to play deeper and them playing him as an no.8 off the left, pretty much nailing any chance of Smith Rowe getting more games. I'm covinced we'll try and sign him, and as they're spending the best part of £200m so far they'll take our offer to balance up.
talk of Party off
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on June 29, 2023, 10:40:40 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ChicagoLion on June 29, 2023, 10:39:19 AM
Quote from: LeeB on June 29, 2023, 10:38:06 AM
Talk of him wanting to play deeper and them playing him as an no.8 off the left, pretty much nailing any chance of Smith Rowe getting more games. I'm covinced we'll try and sign him, and as they're spending the best part of £200m so far they'll take our offer to balance up.
talk of Party off

Wonder where he'll go. Newcastle? Juventus? Baggies? Something about those kits makes me think of him.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 29, 2023, 10:41:10 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on June 29, 2023, 09:33:39 AM
What about the worries that he's crap in the air?

Needs to play alongside someone that is, i.e Tyrone.

I'm hoping he'll be one of these classy 'organise the whole defence' type players. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Chris Smith on June 29, 2023, 10:54:50 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ChicagoLion on June 29, 2023, 10:39:19 AM
Quote from: LeeB on June 29, 2023, 10:38:06 AM
Talk of him wanting to play deeper and them playing him as an no.8 off the left, pretty much nailing any chance of Smith Rowe getting more games. I'm covinced we'll try and sign him, and as they're spending the best part of £200m so far they'll take our offer to balance up.
talk of Party off

Shit, I’ve bought a new shirt especially.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on June 29, 2023, 10:59:27 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Monty on June 29, 2023, 10:40:40 AM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on June 29, 2023, 10:39:19 AM
Quote from: LeeB on June 29, 2023, 10:38:06 AM
Talk of him wanting to play deeper and them playing him as an no.8 off the left, pretty much nailing any chance of Smith Rowe getting more games. I'm covinced we'll try and sign him, and as they're spending the best part of £200m so far they'll take our offer to balance up.
talk of Party off

Wonder where he'll go. Newcastle? Juventus? Baggies? Something about those kits makes me think of him.

Yeah, I see a cut-price move for him at best, maybe to Birmingham City circa 1984. Xhaka has gone for about £14m, those two are not going to make much of a dent into the large outlay, plus they also signed Trossard who plays where Smith Rowe does back in January.

If I was him I'd be starting to think the writing is on the wall a bit and would look to get out, before you end up being the next Rueban Loftus Cheek or Callum Hudson Odoi, sitting out your key development years on the bench
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 29, 2023, 11:01:17 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Monty on June 29, 2023, 10:40:40 AM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on June 29, 2023, 10:39:19 AM
talk of Partey off

Wonder where he'll go. Newcastle? Juventus? Baggies? Something about those kits makes me think of him.

Does he want to leave, or is he being forced to do it against his will?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on June 29, 2023, 11:03:51 AM
			

			

				He's been promised a 'big house'
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 29, 2023, 11:20:07 AM
			

			

				Fabrizio Romano
@FabrizioRomano
Aston Villa are advancing in talks to sign Pau Torres. Deal not completed yet but progressing to key stages between the two clubs. 🟣🔵🇪🇸 #AVFC

Bayern decided to go for Kim as priority and Villa now pushing to sign Pau — as Unai Emery wants him.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: FatSam on June 29, 2023, 11:28:31 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on June 29, 2023, 11:20:07 AM
 Villa now pushing to sign Pau — as Unai Emery wants him.
As good a reason as any…
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on June 29, 2023, 11:31:05 AM
			

			

				I hope we don't push too hard
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 29, 2023, 11:38:18 AM
			

			

				Yep, we don't want piles.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on June 29, 2023, 11:54:39 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on June 29, 2023, 09:33:39 AM
What about the worries that he's crap in the air?

Physically light anyway for PL football but I guess Emery is thinking we will be dominating possession a lot more next season. Bit like Tielemans it's a bit strange that LCB is a position that we are looking to strengthen. Don't think it sounds good for Diego Carlos future with us that this deal is so close. 

In terms of profile though, Tielemans and Torres are statement signings. Two very talented players with club and international experience. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Chris Smith on June 29, 2023, 12:02:21 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on June 29, 2023, 11:20:07 AM
Fabrizio Romano
@FabrizioRomano
Aston Villa are advancing in talks to sign Pau Torres. Deal not completed yet but progressing to key stages between the two clubs. 🟣🔵🇪🇸 #AVFC

Bayern decided to go for Kim as priority and Villa now pushing to sign Pau — as Unai Emery wants him.

How is Pau pronounced? Pow, Paw, Po?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bad English on June 29, 2023, 12:11:49 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Chris Smith on June 29, 2023, 12:02:21 PM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on June 29, 2023, 11:20:07 AM
Fabrizio Romano
@FabrizioRomano
Aston Villa are advancing in talks to sign Pau Torres. Deal not completed yet but progressing to key stages between the two clubs. 🟣🔵🇪🇸 #AVFC

Bayern decided to go for Kim as priority and Villa now pushing to sign Pau — as Unai Emery wants him.

How is Pau pronounced? Pow, Paw, Po?
Sort of "Powoo". It also means 'Peace' in Catalan.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on June 29, 2023, 12:14:23 PM
			

			

				POW! Yeah it's P to the T!
POW! If you don't know about P!
POW! Ask Unai Emery!
POW! POW! POW!



Chant for the big man  8)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on June 29, 2023, 12:19:53 PM
			

			

				Was listening to Talksport earlier (yeah I know) and they were saying that West Ham are lining up a bid for Harvey Barnes, but that we are also interested.  

The reporter on there was saying the price was expected to be £25m - £30m, which would be a decent sort of price even though I don't think he would start regularly for us.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bad English on June 29, 2023, 12:21:00 PM
			

			

				If you met him, you could say "How now Pau?" And Pau would rhyme with how and now.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Chris Smith on June 29, 2023, 12:23:07 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bad English on June 29, 2023, 12:11:49 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on June 29, 2023, 12:02:21 PM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on June 29, 2023, 11:20:07 AM
Fabrizio Romano
@FabrizioRomano
Aston Villa are advancing in talks to sign Pau Torres. Deal not completed yet but progressing to key stages between the two clubs. 🟣🔵🇪🇸 #AVFC

Bayern decided to go for Kim as priority and Villa now pushing to sign Pau — as Unai Emery wants him.

How is Pau pronounced? Pow, Paw, Po?
Sort of "Powoo". It also means 'Peace' in Catalan.

Ta.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on June 29, 2023, 12:23:54 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bad English on June 29, 2023, 12:21:00 PM
If you met him, you could say "How now Pau?" And Pau would rhyme with how and now.

haha
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave P on June 29, 2023, 12:40:25 PM
			

			

				
(https://i.ibb.co/56LjS8R/pow-pow-punch.gif) (https://ibb.co/56LjS8R)



(https://i.ibb.co/3cSbXbv/06eab2ce-dbda-4c1b-a338-7115061da63d-text.gif) (https://ibb.co/3cSbXbv)

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 29, 2023, 12:48:09 PM
			

			

				So does his name mean Cock Bull?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bad English on June 29, 2023, 12:52:49 PM
			

			

				Bow Pau, how yow wow now!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bad English on June 29, 2023, 12:53:38 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on June 29, 2023, 12:48:09 PM
So does his name mean Cock Bull?
Paul Towers.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VinnieChase84 on June 29, 2023, 01:27:20 PM
			

			

				I said not long after Emery came in that he would do all he could to get Torres!

As things stand, looks like he’s got his man 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on June 29, 2023, 01:32:20 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: brontebilly on June 29, 2023, 11:54:39 AM
Quote from: eamonn on June 29, 2023, 09:33:39 AM
What about the worries that he's crap in the air?

Physically light anyway for PL football but I guess Emery is thinking we will be dominating possession a lot more next season. Bit like Tielemans it's a bit strange that LCB is a position that we are looking to strengthen. Don't think it sounds good for Diego Carlos future with us that this deal is so close. 

In terms of profile though, Tielemans and Torres are statement signings. Two very talented players with club and international experience.

If say it's more likely Chambers would go?

Maybe we'll have two pairings; Mings and Konsa, and Carlos and Torres. Regardless, we will have a solid set of choices. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Hookeysmith on June 29, 2023, 01:35:07 PM
			

			

				Central defence as it currently stands, along with the addition of Tielemans to midfield were in my opinion our strongest areas and not priorities

Priorities were

Back up keeper - no links at all which is worrying

RB - Assume we must have something up our sleeve as we were so quick to let Young go

New 10 - Was strongly linked to ascensio (sp) but he chose RM

Wide attacker - Nico Williams - chose Chelsea, Linked with Barnes - not a lot else going on
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on June 29, 2023, 01:35:52 PM
			

			

				Two big hitters here:

Nicolò Schira
@NicoSchira
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29m
Pau #Torres have agreed personal terms for a contract until 2028 with #AstonVilla, which are ready to close the deal with #Villarreal. Torres’ contract expires in 2024 and he wants to leave.

Fabrizio Romano
@FabrizioRomano
·
8m
More on Pau Torres and Aston Villa. The negotiations are really accelerating — as revealed in the morning. Clubs close to reaching an agreement, talks are taking place right now. 🚨🟣🔵 #AVFC

Been told Unai Emery is really pushing to get the agreement done this week, asap.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Axl Rose on June 29, 2023, 01:44:23 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Hookeysmith on June 29, 2023, 01:35:07 PM
Central defence as it currently stands, along with the addition of Tielemans to midfield were in my opinion our strongest areas and not priorities

Priorities were

Back up keeper - no links at all which is worrying

RB - Assume we must have something up our sleeve as we were so quick to let Young go

New 10 - Was strongly linked to ascensio (sp) but he chose RM

Wide attacker - Nico Williams - chose Chelsea, Linked with Barnes - not a lot else going on

Williams chose Chelsea?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on June 29, 2023, 02:05:30 PM
			

			

				
Fabrizio Romano
@FabrizioRomano
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Pau Torres to Aston Villa, here we go! Agreement in place — as revealed today Unai Emery wanted Pau to join this week and it’s gonna happen. 🚨🟣🔵 #AVFC

Contract agreed, also medical being scheduled. Villa will pay way less than the release clause.

Big one for Emery & Villa.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on June 29, 2023, 02:06:32 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Axl Rose on June 29, 2023, 01:44:23 PM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on June 29, 2023, 01:35:07 PM
Central defence as it currently stands, along with the addition of Tielemans to midfield were in my opinion our strongest areas and not priorities

Priorities were

Back up keeper - no links at all which is worrying

RB - Assume we must have something up our sleeve as we were so quick to let Young go

New 10 - Was strongly linked to ascensio (sp) but he chose RM

Wide attacker - Nico Williams - chose Chelsea, Linked with Barnes - not a lot else going on

Williams chose Chelsea?

Nope, confusion with Nico Jackson.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SamTheMouse on June 29, 2023, 02:10:13 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pablo_picasso on June 29, 2023, 02:05:30 PM

Fabrizio Romano
@FabrizioRomano
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Pau Torres to Aston Villa, here we go! Agreement in place — as revealed today Unai Emery wanted Pau to join this week and it’s gonna happen. 🚨🟣🔵 #AVFC

Contract agreed, also medical being scheduled. Villa will pay way less than the release clause.

Big one for Emery & Villa.

Bostin news!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on June 29, 2023, 02:10:49 PM
			

			

				Here we go!!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on June 29, 2023, 02:19:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Hookeysmith on June 29, 2023, 01:35:07 PM
Central defence as it currently stands, along with the addition of Tielemans to midfield were in my opinion our strongest areas and not priorities

Priorities were

Back up keeper - no links at all which is worrying

RB - Assume we must have something up our sleeve as we were so quick to let Young go

New 10 - Was strongly linked to ascensio (sp) but he chose RM

Wide attacker - Nico Williams - chose Chelsea, Linked with Barnes - not a lot else going on

Backup keeper is a tricky one. Olsen obviously nowhere near good enough but replacement has to be able to play the way Emery wants, comfortable with ball at his feet and sweeping up behind a high defensive line. I think we need to be brave enough here and guarantee the backup keeper all cup games (should be plenty) and obviously maybe the occasional PL game if Martinez unavailable. Likely a younger keeper keen to progress. 

The two young Irish keeper would be decent backup options I think, Bazunu had a very tough year at Soton but can definitely come good again elsewhere, very good with ball at his feet, Kelliher has told Pool he is leaving this summer but maybe Europa league football could convince him. 

RB - tough one but I think Cash has a lot of impressing to do with Emery to nail down that spot.  Big priority position to fill, Konsa or Chambers out there is not an option.

Attacking players - surprised not to see stronger links here both incoming and outgoing. Asensio I doubt was ever realistic.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on June 29, 2023, 02:26:09 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Hookeysmith on June 29, 2023, 01:35:07 PM
Central defence as it currently stands, along with the addition of Tielemans to midfield were in my opinion our strongest areas and not priorities

Priorities were

Back up keeper - no links at all which is worrying

RB - Assume we must have something up our sleeve as we were so quick to let Young go

New 10 - Was strongly linked to ascensio (sp) but he chose RM

Wide attacker - Nico Williams - chose Chelsea, Linked with Barnes - not a lot else going on

We don't have to sign people in order of priority though, as long as we sign them. These deals have been perhaps easier to complete, certainly to Tielemans as there was no club to deal with, and Torres had a release clause meaning he was always available at a certain price, but others may just take more work
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 29, 2023, 02:30:26 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on June 29, 2023, 12:48:09 PM
So does his name mean Cock Bull?

Only if you're mixing Brazilian Portuguese and Spanish. Keep it in Brazilian Portuguese and you have Cock Towers.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Matt C on June 29, 2023, 02:32:43 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on June 29, 2023, 01:27:20 PM
I said not long after Emery came in that he would do all he could to get Torres!

As things stand, looks like he’s got his man

Remember you calling that one. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 29, 2023, 02:33:46 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Matt C on June 29, 2023, 02:32:43 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on June 29, 2023, 01:27:20 PM
I said not long after Emery came in that he would do all he could to get Torres!

As things stand, looks like he’s got his man

Remember you calling that one. 

Yup, great shout Vinnie.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Hookeysmith on June 29, 2023, 02:34:51 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Monty on June 29, 2023, 02:06:32 PM
Quote from: Axl Rose on June 29, 2023, 01:44:23 PM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on June 29, 2023, 01:35:07 PM
Central defence as it currently stands, along with the addition of Tielemans to midfield were in my opinion our strongest areas and not priorities

Priorities were

Back up keeper - no links at all which is worrying

RB - Assume we must have something up our sleeve as we were so quick to let Young go

New 10 - Was strongly linked to ascensio (sp) but he chose RM

Wide attacker - Nico Williams - chose Chelsea, Linked with Barnes - not a lot else going on

Williams chose Chelsea?

Nope, confusion with Nico Jackson.

Yes confused - sorry
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 29, 2023, 02:47:57 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on June 29, 2023, 02:30:26 PM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on June 29, 2023, 12:48:09 PM
So does his name mean Cock Bull?

Only if you're mixing Brazilian Portuguese and Spanish. Keep it in Brazilian Portuguese and you have Cock Towers.

Cock Towers. Wow, his Missus must be happy 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on June 29, 2023, 02:59:19 PM
			

			

				Is Torres the kind of signing that could open the floodgates, so to speak, on other "big" signings considering Villa in a different light? I know Emery is an attraction in himself, but ultimately the likes of Chelsea, City etc. are still going to look like more attractive places to a lot of players. 

If there's a player, let's say Gonçalves, who looks at the idea we're interested, and thinks sure, it sounds good on paper, but maybe I'll hold out to see if someone else comes in for me. Whereas now, maybe, seeing someone like Torres has already bought into the club's vision, we might start looking slightly more attractive in this window. 

Just a thought. I know Emery wanted him from day 1, but maybe the idea of getting him in as priority could be so we can use him as bait. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on June 29, 2023, 03:04:15 PM
			

			

				Yeah, it certainly doesn't hurt our profile to potential recruits
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on June 29, 2023, 03:05:26 PM
			

			

				Does this change our flat back four? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on June 29, 2023, 03:08:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on June 29, 2023, 03:05:26 PM
Does this change our flat back four? 

Fuck no!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VinnieChase84 on June 29, 2023, 03:15:59 PM
			

			

				Huge coup. Could easily be the first big big player who can entice others. Emery has some very ambitious targets this summer 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 29, 2023, 03:18:34 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on June 29, 2023, 02:59:19 PM
If there's a player, let's say Gonçalves, who looks at the idea we're interested, and thinks sure, it sounds good on paper, but maybe I'll hold out to see if someone else comes in for me. Whereas now, maybe, seeing someone like Torres has already bought into the club's vision, we might start looking slightly more attractive in this window. 

Just a thought. I know Emery wanted him from day 1, but maybe the idea of getting him in as priority could be so we can use him as bait. 

Welcome. I agree with the above and note that only today Sporting have announced to the Portuguese Stock Exchange that they've bought an additional 40% of Pote's rights, as they are legally bound as a listed company. I'm wondering if with all the legal in place Sporting are now in a position to sell. Of course they're still quoting his €80m buy out clause but as we see on a daily basis, buy out clauses don't mean there's not a deal to be done.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on June 29, 2023, 03:19:26 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on June 29, 2023, 03:04:15 PM
Yeah, it certainly doesn't hurt our profile to potential recruits

Looking at the FIFA international rankings, we now have players in and around the squads of five of the top seven teams. If Luiz keeps progressing, you can imagine he could make it six.

We're definitely raising our profile.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Axl Rose on June 29, 2023, 03:28:20 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Hookeysmith on June 29, 2023, 02:34:51 PM
Quote from: Monty on June 29, 2023, 02:06:32 PM
Quote from: Axl Rose on June 29, 2023, 01:44:23 PM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on June 29, 2023, 01:35:07 PM
Central defence as it currently stands, along with the addition of Tielemans to midfield were in my opinion our strongest areas and not priorities

Priorities were

Back up keeper - no links at all which is worrying

RB - Assume we must have something up our sleeve as we were so quick to let Young go

New 10 - Was strongly linked to ascensio (sp) but he chose RM

Wide attacker - Nico Williams - chose Chelsea, Linked with Barnes - not a lot else going on

Williams chose Chelsea?

Nope, confusion with Nico Jackson.

Yes confused - sorry

No problem, mate!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on June 29, 2023, 03:28:58 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on June 29, 2023, 03:19:26 PM
Quote from: LeeB on June 29, 2023, 03:04:15 PM
Yeah, it certainly doesn't hurt our profile to potential recruits

Looking at the FIFA international rankings, we now have players in and around the squads of five of the top seven teams. If Luiz keeps progressing, you can imagine he could make it six.

We're definitely raising our profile.

Having Martinez is obviously amazing, but I'm not sure how many outfield players think, "oh, I really want to play alongside that goalkeeper", at least not in the same way they might look at a midfielder or striker in that way. So to be adding that kind of player in several positions does feel like a really positive step.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on June 29, 2023, 03:41:36 PM
			

			

				I’m in no way knocking the signing of Pau Torres but in my mind it’s not one that would make other players think, fuck me I want to join Villa now.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on June 29, 2023, 03:57:51 PM
			

			

				Really? A top current Spanish international defender in his prime? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on June 29, 2023, 04:08:49 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 29, 2023, 03:57:51 PM
Really? A top current Spanish international defender in his prime? 

Maybe I’ve not been taking notice but he’s not been a mainstay of the Spanish defence has he, was he injured for the recent Nations League games? Emery knows him and has worked to great success with him before so that’s great and all that really matters.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Mister E on June 29, 2023, 04:29:31 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on June 29, 2023, 03:05:26 PM
Does this change our flat back four? 
Maybe  ;D 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on June 29, 2023, 05:05:02 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on June 29, 2023, 03:41:36 PM
I’m in no way knocking the signing of Pau Torres but in my mind it’s not one that would make other players think, fuck me I want to join Villa now.

I mean, there's still a level of player that are just never going to look at us in this window, or any window, if we can't deliver at least Europa League consistently, and actually be in the mix for Cups. Jude Bellingham was never going to turn down Madrid to come here and play with Pau Torres. 

But there's a level of player that might not be attracting attention from the "big" clubs, and maybe we're in the mix with a few teams that at first glance seem like more attractive options. But maybe Torres coming this window is the kind of player that might make some of them take a second look at us. 

Obviously it depends on player motivation and some of them will just want Champions League now with an eye on getting another, bigger move in a season or 2, and I don't think any signing we make could change that kind of outlook. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on June 29, 2023, 06:07:59 PM
			

			

				Kessler-Hayden out on loan at Plymouth next season

https://twitter.com/academyavfc/status/1674457742751281159
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on June 29, 2023, 06:27:57 PM
			

			

				Now can we please sign some absolutely awesome forward / wide players 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on June 29, 2023, 06:33:12 PM
			

			

				Torres, Moreno, Kamara, Martinez, and Coutinho are all players, for one reason or another, who will be attractive to other players and will show our shrewdness and ambition.

They are all very technical players, with a profile that other professionals will respect. With Emery, and Monchi doing their thing, and us getting Conference football, as well as heading up the table, it looks good. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Mister E on June 29, 2023, 08:17:21 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Beard82 on June 29, 2023, 06:27:57 PM
Now can we please sign some absolutely awesome forward / wide players 
Maybe - now - that could be Coutinho?

Nah, probably not.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on June 29, 2023, 08:25:04 PM
			

			

				Goncalves and Chukwueze please. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RamboandBruno on June 29, 2023, 09:08:10 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on June 29, 2023, 03:41:36 PM
I’m in no way knocking the signing of Pau Torres but in my mind it’s not one that would make other players think, fuck me I want to join Villa now.

But do you know a lot about him? Not a criticism, as im not expert, but seems to me Bayern were interested and Emery loves, suggests he’s a top player. We weren’t signing players like Torres and Tielemans a year ago, so signing players we couldnt before is bound to get noticed, by yet more players. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on June 29, 2023, 09:15:26 PM
			

			

				Ferran Torres loan to buy... 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Eckybloke on June 29, 2023, 09:16:56 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on June 29, 2023, 09:15:26 PM
Ferran Torres loan to buy...

Will this be like the year we bought all the Jordans? 🤣
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on June 29, 2023, 10:06:39 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: RamboandBruno on June 29, 2023, 09:08:10 PM
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on June 29, 2023, 03:41:36 PM
I’m in no way knocking the signing of Pau Torres but in my mind it’s not one that would make other players think, fuck me I want to join Villa now.

But do you know a lot about him? Not a criticism, as im not expert, but seems to me Bayern were interested and Emery loves, suggests he’s a top player. We weren’t signing players like Torres and Tielemans a year ago, so signing players we couldnt before is bound to get noticed, by yet more players. 

I wasn’t aware of him being linked to Bayern or Juve as was previously mentioned, not sure why he never moved to a bigger club than Villareal before now. I don’t disagree that the calibre of our signings is greatly improving and it bodes well for the forward positions that need competition.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on June 29, 2023, 10:07:53 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Eckybloke on June 29, 2023, 09:16:56 PM
Quote from: Drummond on June 29, 2023, 09:15:26 PM
Ferran Torres loan to buy...

Will this be like the year we bought all the Jordans? 🤣

Let’s fucking hope not.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 29, 2023, 10:18:25 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on June 29, 2023, 03:41:36 PM
I’m in no way knocking the signing of Pau Torres but in my mind it’s not one that would make other players think, fuck me I want to join Villa now.

His move has got its own thread on the Yanited forum and they never discuss us unless we're playing them. Some of the initial comments...
"Seems like a huge signing that"
"Very good player .. Emery building a good cup team over there"
"Going to be a decent side next year Villa"
"2 weeks of Monchi being their President of Football Operations & he's getting them Pau Torres & reportedly in discussions to sign Chiesa from Juve  He's the king of identifying & getting that Europa level player that can make a very decent side, then sell on for 2 or 3 times the original fee & keep building. Almost like, it's a well run football operation. ::) "

Liverpool fans seem pretty impressed as well.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 29, 2023, 10:24:35 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 29, 2023, 10:07:53 PM
Quote from: Eckybloke on June 29, 2023, 09:16:56 PM
Quote from: Drummond on June 29, 2023, 09:15:26 PM
Ferran Torres loan to buy...

Will this be like the year we bought all the Jordans? 🤣

Let’s fucking hope not.

There was nothing wrong with the Jordans. It was the Micahs, Joleons and - most of all - Tims  (no shade intended there to Celtic fans, Roman Catholics or small people) that were the problem back then.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on June 29, 2023, 10:36:56 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on June 29, 2023, 10:06:39 PM

I wasn’t aware of him being linked to Bayern or Juve as was previously mentioned, not sure why he never moved to a bigger club than Villareal before now. I don’t disagree that the calibre of our signings is greatly improving and it bodes well for the forward positions that need competition.

I read that Spurs were after him a season or two ago and had agreed a fee with the club, but he turned them down to stay where he was. Apparently Madrid were monitoring him at the time too. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 29, 2023, 10:39:48 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on June 29, 2023, 10:36:56 PM
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on June 29, 2023, 10:06:39 PM

I wasn’t aware of him being linked to Bayern or Juve as was previously mentioned, not sure why he never moved to a bigger club than Villareal before now. I don’t disagree that the calibre of our signings is greatly improving and it bodes well for the forward positions that need competition.

I read that Spurs were after him a season or two ago and had agreed a fee with the club, but he turned them down to stay where he was. Apparently Madrid were monitoring him at the time too. 

Yes, saw that earlier. Apparently he turned Spurs down saying he only wanted to move to a big club.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on June 29, 2023, 10:50:22 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on June 29, 2023, 10:39:48 PM
Yes, saw that earlier. Apparently he turned Spurs down saying he only wanted to move to a big club.

I don't want to be making him out to be the messiah or something but you have to assume Emery was the attraction for him. Historically we're an important club, but in recent years Spurs have been much more competitive than us, and have had European football regularly. But I suppose unless you're absolutely gagging for a move, they're still not a big club. And he seemed quite happy at home.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on June 29, 2023, 10:50:40 PM
			

			

				I don't know how good the credibility of the links are but Ferran Torres on a loan to buy for 25m euros from Barcelona touted. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: sid1964 on June 30, 2023, 07:48:18 AM
			

			

				Listening to Gregg Evans on the 1874 podcast, he seems to think that we are going to have to sell a few before we can buy again due to  FFP 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 30, 2023, 07:58:42 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: sid1964 on June 30, 2023, 07:48:18 AM
Listening to Gregg Evans on the 1874 podcast, he seems to think that we are going to have to sell a few before we can buy again due to  FFP

I heard it too, and felt he was exaggerating a bit, like you’d expect a Stripey to. Dan Bardell (whoever the fuck he is) didn’t agree.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VinnieChase84 on June 30, 2023, 07:59:58 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: sid1964 on June 30, 2023, 07:48:18 AM
Listening to Gregg Evans on the 1874 podcast, he seems to think that we are going to have to sell a few before we can buy again due to  FFP 

He’s massively wrong. The Jack/Carny and Ings sales have given huge ffp wiggle room. Our big spending window has also fallen off the accounting period. 

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on June 30, 2023, 08:01:08 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: sid1964 on June 30, 2023, 07:48:18 AM
Listening to Gregg Evans on the 1874 podcast, he seems to think that we are going to have to sell a few before we can buy again due to  FFP
Im not sure if that can be right - or the club will have to be confident that they can sell. 

It would be absolutely bizarre if we used all the cash we have on a centerback - where we are relatively well covered.  We desperately need a some competition / quality at the top end of the pitch. 

Our plan there cant be that Watkins will be able to play 50 games without injury or suspension, and that bailey and / or beundia will suddenly find consistent form and good numbers. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on June 30, 2023, 08:25:55 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: sid1964 on June 30, 2023, 07:48:18 AM
Listening to Gregg Evans on the 1874 podcast, he seems to think that we are going to have to sell a few before we can buy again due to  FFP

Hmm, that's interesting...

We've signed a new shirt sponsor which I believe Purslow said was offering around double what we were getting last season, so an extra £5m?
We've increased ticket prices by around 26% over the last two seasons which would give us an extra £4.5m compared to our last published accounts.
We're due to get over £20m in prize money from finishing higher this season.
Just getting into the group stage of the ECL will net us an additional £6m+ (even if we lose every game and get attendances of 30k at £30 each for home matches which is conservative).
Win three games in the group stage gets us another £1.2m.

So that's like an extra £38m, not counting any other deals the club has done, such as the concerts and supercross, the Castore deal, etc.

Our net spend over the last two seasons is about £42m based on Transfermarkt. We've got several players now beyond their original contract length, so they're no longer depreciating year on year (Mings, McGinn, Luiz).

Can we really be that close? It will be interesting if we are...

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulTheVillan on June 30, 2023, 08:47:16 AM
			

			

				I can see Coutinho going to Saudi
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on June 30, 2023, 09:19:24 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 30, 2023, 07:58:42 AM
Quote from: sid1964 on June 30, 2023, 07:48:18 AM
Listening to Gregg Evans on the 1874 podcast, he seems to think that we are going to have to sell a few before we can buy again due to  FFP

I heard it too, and felt he was exaggerating a bit, like you’d expect a Stripey to. Dan Bardell (whoever the fuck he is) didn’t agree.

I listened to it too. He definitely didn’t say we need to sell before we can buy again this summer (he even clarified this towards the end). 

He was though incredibly negative about pretty much everything Villa related, to the point where Bardell (politely) pulled him up on it. 

Everyone knows he’s a Bitter Baggie but when it shines through it makes you think there could be someone better covering Villa. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on June 30, 2023, 10:27:36 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on June 29, 2023, 10:06:39 PM
Quote from: RamboandBruno on June 29, 2023, 09:08:10 PM
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on June 29, 2023, 03:41:36 PM
I’m in no way knocking the signing of Pau Torres but in my mind it’s not one that would make other players think, fuck me I want to join Villa now.

But do you know a lot about him? Not a criticism, as im not expert, but seems to me Bayern were interested and Emery loves, suggests he’s a top player. We weren’t signing players like Torres and Tielemans a year ago, so signing players we couldnt before is bound to get noticed, by yet more players. 

I wasn’t aware of him being linked to Bayern or Juve as was previously mentioned, not sure why he never moved to a bigger club than Villareal before now. I don’t disagree that the calibre of our signings is greatly improving and it bodes well for the forward positions that need competition.
I think Bayern wanted him.  I strongly suspect we offered to pay him more.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on June 30, 2023, 10:33:37 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on June 30, 2023, 07:59:58 AM
Quote from: sid1964 on June 30, 2023, 07:48:18 AM
Listening to Gregg Evans on the 1874 podcast, he seems to think that we are going to have to sell a few before we can buy again due to  FFP 

He’s massively wrong. The Jack/Carny and Ings sales have given huge ffp wiggle room. Our big spending window has also fallen off the accounting period. 

I don't know where Greg was coming from at all.  The most simple fag packet maths must show we're in a good position FFP wise.  Of course, the wages may be getting a bit uncomfortable so we will need to do some trimming, but I don't think it's even close to one in one out yet. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 30, 2023, 10:34:44 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Marlon From Bearwood on June 30, 2023, 09:19:24 AM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 30, 2023, 07:58:42 AM
Quote from: sid1964 on June 30, 2023, 07:48:18 AM
Listening to Gregg Evans on the 1874 podcast, he seems to think that we are going to have to sell a few before we can buy again due to  FFP

I heard it too, and felt he was exaggerating a bit, like you’d expect a Stripey to. Dan Bardell (whoever the fuck he is) didn’t agree.

I listened to it too. He definitely didn’t say we need to sell before we can buy again this summer (he even clarified this towards the end). 

He was though incredibly negative about pretty much everything Villa related, to the point where Bardell (politely) pulled him up on it. 

Everyone knows he’s a Bitter Baggie but when it shines through it makes you think there could be someone better covering Villa. 

I heard it too, and it sounded like he was talking about the medium-long term rather than this summer. He did sound very negative though. That said, one of the few things I can get on board with about Greg(g) Evans covering us is that he isn't a Villa fan, so he can look at things in a clear-eyed way without sentiment.

If he could just write there'd be no stopping him.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on June 30, 2023, 10:50:29 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on June 30, 2023, 10:27:36 AM
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on June 29, 2023, 10:06:39 PM
Quote from: RamboandBruno on June 29, 2023, 09:08:10 PM
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on June 29, 2023, 03:41:36 PM
I’m in no way knocking the signing of Pau Torres but in my mind it’s not one that would make other players think, fuck me I want to join Villa now.

But do you know a lot about him? Not a criticism, as im not expert, but seems to me Bayern were interested and Emery loves, suggests he’s a top player. We weren’t signing players like Torres and Tielemans a year ago, so signing players we couldnt before is bound to get noticed, by yet more players. 

I wasn’t aware of him being linked to Bayern or Juve as was previously mentioned, not sure why he never moved to a bigger club than Villareal before now. I don’t disagree that the calibre of our signings is greatly improving and it bodes well for the forward positions that need competition.
I think Bayern wanted him.  I strongly suspect we offered to pay him more.

I think he was their back-up if Kim Min-Jae moved to Man Utd as was mooted. When he agreed to join Bayern, it left us a free run at Torres.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: aj2k77 on June 30, 2023, 10:52:24 AM
			

			

				Nah he talks shite about the Villa. The inner bitter bird in him tries to break free constantly but he knows we're the only reason he's remotely relevant and if he had to make a career writing about the bitters then he'd be living on cupasoups for the rest of his life.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on June 30, 2023, 11:36:51 AM
			

			

				His articles in the Athletic are much better than when he wrote for the Mail. More thoughtful, analytical and I've not detected any anti-Villa sentiment. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: FatSam on June 30, 2023, 11:40:32 AM
			

			

				I just think that he tries to hedge his bets by basically sitting on the fence about everything, because he doesn’t have any particular insider knowledge, or insight for that matter. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OzVilla on June 30, 2023, 11:43:14 AM
			

			

				I think the most pressing question is how the fuck have we ended up with Gregg Evans as the Athletics Villa reporter? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on June 30, 2023, 12:21:09 PM
			

			

				I've been critical of Greg Evans in the past, but I think he's pretty objective about the Villa and does want to see us do well - even if it's only to give him stuff to write about.

He writing has really improved and in particular, he's very good at background / fluff pieces.  Where I feel he lacks is detailed tactical knowledge and analysis and also inside info, but I think everyone struggles with that for Villa.  I do read / listen to other clubs reporters with a bit of envy at times.

But his neutrality is sometimes helpful when people are getting carried away, although I think he's wrong in this instance re FFP.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on June 30, 2023, 12:43:13 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on June 30, 2023, 12:21:09 PM
I've been critical of Greg Evans in the past, but I think he's pretty objective about the Villa and does want to see us do well - even if it's only to give him stuff to write about.

He writing has really improved and in particular, he's very good at background / fluff pieces.  Where I feel he lacks is detailed tactical knowledge and analysis and also inside info, but I think everyone struggles with that for Villa.  I do read / listen to other clubs reporters with a bit of envy at times.

But his neutrality is sometimes helpful when people are getting carried away, although I think he's wrong in this instance re FFP.

I agree. I'd much rather having someone reporting on us who isn't an uncritical cheerleader. 

I remember for example some people on here getting really cross with him when he was suggesting that maybe Tony Xia might not actually be the answer to all our prayers when he first took over.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: rob_bridge on June 30, 2023, 01:02:05 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulTheVillan on June 30, 2023, 08:47:16 AM
I can see Coutinho going to Saudi

We neee him to. 8m off wage bill. 

Same reason we sold Inge. Silly wages.

Same with Digne. Silly wages. 

On face of it they cast 70m reality is total cost is 40mx 4 years. 


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on June 30, 2023, 01:18:03 PM
			

			

				Ferran Torres quoted as saying, "“Today, I am at Barça, but football takes many turns. I have the phone on airplane mode, on July 10th, I will open it."
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on June 30, 2023, 01:19:15 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on June 30, 2023, 01:18:03 PM
Ferran Torres quoted as saying, "“Today, I am at Barça, but football takes many turns. I have the phone on airplane mode, on July 10th, I will open it."

That's one hell of a plane trip.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on June 30, 2023, 01:28:38 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on June 30, 2023, 01:18:03 PM
Ferran Torres quoted as saying, "“Today, I am at Barça, but football takes many turns. I have the phone on airplane mode, on July 10th, I will open it."

No 23 year old can survive 11 days with their phone in airplane mode. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: TonyD on June 30, 2023, 01:49:54 PM
			

			

				You wait for one Torres and then……..
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on June 30, 2023, 01:56:18 PM
			

			

				Romano has said the Ferran Torres links to Villa are real.

Looks like Barca want him out.

This would be another very juicy signing. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ger Regan on June 30, 2023, 02:04:49 PM
			

			

				"Despite links to Aston Villa move, no concrete talks and no plan to leave at this stage." isn't exactly a firm link form him though
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on June 30, 2023, 02:28:56 PM
			

			

				Could Torres 2 be using our apparent interest in him to put himself in the shop window? He's basically saying he's open to the idea of a move, but he's not looking at offers until after his holiday. Plenty of time for other teams to get offers together. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Hookeysmith on June 30, 2023, 02:50:28 PM
			

			

				2 x Emi's
2 x Torres

Its going to get confusing for us old folk  :-\
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: jwarry on June 30, 2023, 02:52:01 PM
			

			

				Noticed he came through Valencia ranks. Was Unai there then? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on June 30, 2023, 02:54:31 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: jwarry on June 30, 2023, 02:52:01 PM
Noticed he came through Valencia ranks. Was Unai there then? 

Sort of. But left when Torres was 12 years old, so I imagine he wasn't looking too hard at him.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on June 30, 2023, 02:54:37 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Hookeysmith on June 30, 2023, 02:50:28 PM
2 x Emi's
2 x Torres

Its going to get confusing for us old folk  :-\

One wears PAU on the back, you should be okay! 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 30, 2023, 02:55:23 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ger Regan on June 30, 2023, 02:04:49 PM
"Despite links to Aston Villa move, no concrete talks and no plan to leave at this stage." isn't exactly a firm link form him though

Ferran on Emery: "I've seen him at Valencia. He's been a benchmark, he's doing things very well and you never know. Today I want to be at Barça, but football takes a lot of turns". https://www.marca.com/futbol/barcelona/2023/06/30/649eb593e2704e1e938b4594.html

Not exactly the firmest 'No' either.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: CT Villan on June 30, 2023, 03:04:24 PM
			

			

				and the next paragraph...

"I want to continue at Barça, last year I couldn't show it but this year I'm going full force, to win my place, to fight"

Don't get your hopes up !
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Scratchins on June 30, 2023, 03:05:37 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Hookeysmith on June 30, 2023, 02:50:28 PM
2 x Emi's
2 x Torres

Its going to get confusing for us old folk  :-\

Just wait until the midfield is Ramsey, Ramsey & Ramsey
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Paul.S on June 30, 2023, 03:14:26 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: aj2k77 on June 30, 2023, 10:52:24 AM
Nah he talks shite about the Villa. The inner bitter bird in him tries to break free constantly but he knows we're the only reason he's remotely relevant and if he had to make a career writing about the bitters then he'd be living on cupasoups for the rest of his life.

Agreed. I’ve never met one yet who isn’t twisted with bitterness. The reason they don’t write about their own club is because there’s absolutely nothing to write about. Once they realise how irrelevant they are in comparison to us they’ll have a more relaxed lifestyle.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on June 30, 2023, 03:21:57 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Scratchins on June 30, 2023, 03:05:37 PM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on June 30, 2023, 02:50:28 PM
2 x Emi's
2 x Torres

Its going to get confusing for us old folk  :-\

Just wait until the midfield is Ramsey, Ramsey & Ramsey

and Tim.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 30, 2023, 03:25:14 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: CT Villan on June 30, 2023, 03:04:24 PM
and the next paragraph...

"I want to continue at Barça, last year I couldn't show it but this year I'm going full force, to win my place, to fight"

Don't get your hopes up !

No, definitely not getting my hopes up, but I wouldn't fall off my chair in surprise either if he rocked up at B6 at some stage. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on June 30, 2023, 03:29:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on June 30, 2023, 03:25:14 PM
Quote from: CT Villan on June 30, 2023, 03:04:24 PM
and the next paragraph...

"I want to continue at Barça, last year I couldn't show it but this year I'm going full force, to win my place, to fight"

Don't get your hopes up !

No, definitely not getting my hopes up, but I wouldn't fall off my chair in surprise either if he rocked up at B6 at some stage.

When Barca start putting out feelers, you're already gone. Just waiting for the smear campaign to start! 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on June 30, 2023, 03:35:29 PM
			

			

				Linked to Jesús Vázquez.. 20yo left back from Valencia. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on June 30, 2023, 03:54:52 PM
			

			

				My word ... Moreno, the Torres brothers, this Jesús Vázquez chap, Monchi .... I hope someone's going to apologise to Footy!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on June 30, 2023, 04:08:11 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: villadelph on June 30, 2023, 03:35:29 PM
Linked to Jesús Vázquez.. 20yo left back from Valencia.

Let's rock!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 30, 2023, 04:31:02 PM
			

			

				You can never have too many left backs
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on June 30, 2023, 04:50:52 PM
			

			

				He'll be our own personal Jesus, someone who hears our prayers someone who cares.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 30, 2023, 04:56:02 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on June 30, 2023, 04:31:02 PM
You can never have too many left backs

And we just can't get enough.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on June 30, 2023, 05:00:15 PM
			

			

				He's not coming now, it was just a Blasphemous Rumour. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on June 30, 2023, 05:00:57 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on June 30, 2023, 04:56:02 PM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on June 30, 2023, 04:31:02 PM
You can never have too many left backs

And we just can't get enough.

I see you trying to start a punathon, it's no good.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on June 30, 2023, 05:04:39 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on June 30, 2023, 04:31:02 PM
You can never have too many left backs

Do we know the extent of Moreno's hamstring injury?

Didn't he get surgery and will be out for the start of the season..?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: rob_bridge on June 30, 2023, 05:05:21 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on June 30, 2023, 05:00:57 PM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on June 30, 2023, 04:56:02 PM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on June 30, 2023, 04:31:02 PM
You can never have too many left backs

And we just can't get enough.

I see you trying to start a punathon, it's no good.

We should stop this and Enjoy the Silence
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on June 30, 2023, 05:07:23 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PeterWithe on June 30, 2023, 05:00:15 PM
He's not coming now, it was just a Blasphemous Rumour. 

No, I think he'll join, it's just a question of time
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on June 30, 2023, 05:21:00 PM
			

			

				Kinda wished I'd gone to see Depeche Mode at Twickenham now. Only really know the hitz but I'm sure they put on a show. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 30, 2023, 05:24:19 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on June 30, 2023, 05:21:00 PM
Kinda wished I'd gone to see Depeche Mode at Twickenham now. Only really know the hitz but I'm sure they put on a show. 

Their recent gig at Malahide Castle seemed to get rave reviews on Irish Twitter.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on June 30, 2023, 05:24:26 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on June 30, 2023, 05:21:00 PM
Kinda wished I'd gone to see Depeche Mode at Twickenham now. Only really know the hitz but I'm sure they put on a show. 

It was fantastic, my other half is much the same but she said it's the best gig she's ever been to
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on June 30, 2023, 05:28:21 PM
			

			

				Think we should sell a left back before we bring in another, we need to get the balance right. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on June 30, 2023, 05:29:39 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: villadelph on June 30, 2023, 05:04:39 PM
Do we know the extent of Moreno's hamstring injury?

Didn't he get surgery and will be out for the start of the season..?

Emery said he'd be out until early August when it happened. He did have surgery and posted a video of himself doing rehab in a pool a week or so ago. I would imagine he's missing preseason entirely, or at the very least not fully involved. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on June 30, 2023, 05:30:59 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: villadelph on June 30, 2023, 03:35:29 PM
Linked to Jesús Vázquez.. 20yo left back from Valencia. 
So we may have a left back who can play the full match!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: andyh on June 30, 2023, 05:37:47 PM
			

			

				Barnes in advanced talks with West Ham.
Disappointing if true. Would have loved him at Villa.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on June 30, 2023, 05:41:04 PM
			

			

				I was reading one of their forums before their Euro Final and they seemed to have an inside line that he was going there. 

I'm not sure we'll be doing too much shopping in the UK this window, currently all the people involved with purchases are fairly new the UK and will probably be spending the big money abroad? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 30, 2023, 05:45:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on June 30, 2023, 05:24:26 PM
Quote from: eamonn on June 30, 2023, 05:21:00 PM
Kinda wished I'd gone to see Depeche Mode at Twickenham now. Only really know the hitz but I'm sure they put on a show. 

It was fantastic, my other half is much the same but she said it's the best gig she's ever been to

We found out when we landed on Saturday that our friends had got us tickets to it, but didn’t tell us because they’d got our return date wrong. I was delighted not to have gone, but Mrs SE was gutted because she loves them, and would’ve changed our flights. I’m enjoying that effing silence.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: CT Villan on June 30, 2023, 05:50:55 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: andyh on June 30, 2023, 05:37:47 PM
Barnes in advanced talks with West Ham.
Disappointing if true. Would have loved him at Villa.
 
That would likely affect Benrahma more, but it would be nice if Bowen came our way as a result.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on June 30, 2023, 05:52:21 PM
			

			

				Jarrod would be a much more consistent upgrade on Leon. Unlikely though, he's immortal there now he's scored a last-gasp Cup winning goal.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Astnor on June 30, 2023, 06:07:43 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: andyh on June 30, 2023, 05:37:47 PM
Barnes in advanced talks with West Ham.
Disappointing if true. Would have loved him at Villa.
I like to think that Barnes would have come to us IF we where interested in making that happen.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on June 30, 2023, 06:41:19 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on June 30, 2023, 05:24:26 PM
Quote from: eamonn on June 30, 2023, 05:21:00 PM
Kinda wished I'd gone to see Depeche Mode at Twickenham now. Only really know the hitz but I'm sure they put on a show. 

It was fantastic, my other half is much the same but she said it's the best gig she's ever been to

Seen them loads of time and love them, but was at the Edgbaston Test the day they played Twickenham. I’m hoping for a winter arena tour. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Richard E on June 30, 2023, 06:42:51 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Marlon From Bearwood on June 30, 2023, 06:41:19 PM
Quote from: LeeB on June 30, 2023, 05:24:26 PM
Quote from: eamonn on June 30, 2023, 05:21:00 PM
Kinda wished I'd gone to see Depeche Mode at Twickenham now. Only really know the hitz but I'm sure they put on a show. 

It was fantastic, my other half is much the same but she said it's the best gig she's ever been to

Seen them loads of time and love them, but was at the Edgbaston Test the day they played Twickenham. I’m hoping for a winter arena tour. 
. Me too.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 30, 2023, 07:05:01 PM
			

			

				Depeche Mode are the greatest band ever.

I'd like to see them again, But not tonight.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Hookeysmith on June 30, 2023, 07:17:03 PM
			

			

				I would throw the cheque book at spam for Bowen. He would be perfect for our needs.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 30, 2023, 07:26:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Hookeysmith on June 30, 2023, 07:17:03 PM
I would throw the cheque book at spam for Bowen. He would be perfect for our needs.

Steady on, plus he's not handsome enough for our team.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Exeter 77 on June 30, 2023, 07:28:32 PM
			

			

				Depeche Mode when they were still a four piece were the best live band I have seen. NEC Arena November 1990.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: clash city rocker on June 30, 2023, 07:30:48 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Exeter 77 on June 30, 2023, 07:28:32 PM
Depeche Mode when they were still a four piece were the best live band I have seen. NEC Arena November 1990.

Saw them at the old locarno in brum.years ago.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: CT Villan on June 30, 2023, 07:36:14 PM
			

			

				Depeche Mode can't hold a candle to S Club 7.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: FatSam on June 30, 2023, 07:36:49 PM
			

			

				Not sure we need another left back, but everything counts I suppose. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 30, 2023, 07:39:37 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: CT Villan on June 30, 2023, 07:36:14 PM
Depeche Mode can't hold a candle to S Club 5.

FTFY
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smithy on June 30, 2023, 08:14:40 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Astnor on June 30, 2023, 06:07:43 PM
Quote from: andyh on June 30, 2023, 05:37:47 PM
Barnes in advanced talks with West Ham.
Disappointing if true. Would have loved him at Villa.
I like to think that Barnes would have come to us IF we where interested in making that happen.

I suspect West Ham will be doing precisely what we did after Grealish left, and spending the best part of the £100m the receive on three players to replace Rice.  I really hope they're not all the same standard as Harvey Barnes, who I rate highly - or that if he DOES go there, he immediately turns into Trez.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on June 30, 2023, 08:48:28 PM
			

			

				So Ferran Torres. I’m sounding like a right misery arse, he’s a bit of a name but hasn’t pulled up any trees at Man City or Barcelona. When I used to take more notice of Spanish football he was highly rated at Valencia, now I’m sure he has the potential to be better but, genuine question, is he an upgrade on Bailey?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villatillidie25 on June 30, 2023, 08:52:41 PM
			

			

				I’m of the same opinion. Mind you, I’ve not seen anything of him at Barcelona. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on June 30, 2023, 09:08:52 PM
			

			

				Read a link on some site earlier to Daniel Jebbison. 

As a player for the future, I think he would be a good pickup. 

He is 6'3", rapid, good on the ball. 

Has had first team experience for Sheff Utd in Prem & Championship by the age of 18.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on June 30, 2023, 09:16:28 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pablo_picasso on June 30, 2023, 09:08:52 PM
Read a link on some site earlier to Daniel Jebbison. 

As a player for the future, I think he would be a good pickup. 

He is 6'3", rapid, good on the ball. 

Has had first team experience for Sheff Utd in Prem & Championship by the age of 18.

Been linked with some bigger clubs on the continent as well.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 01, 2023, 09:21:42 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on June 30, 2023, 08:48:28 PM
So Ferran Torres. I’m sounding like a right misery arse, he’s a bit of a name but hasn’t pulled up any trees at Man City or Barcelona. When I used to take more notice of Spanish football he was highly rated at Valencia, now I’m sure he has the potential to be better but, genuine question, is he an upgrade on Bailey?

The latest from Romano is that he doesn’t want to leave Barca. If so we should leave well alone. It was a loan deal mentioned anyway and I’d hope we’re beyond that now without extremely good reason.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on July 01, 2023, 09:29:28 AM
			

			

				Willian seemingly available after not fancying Fulham’s contract offer, wrong age but always seems to offer a threat. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 01, 2023, 09:42:19 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: PeterWithe on July 01, 2023, 09:29:28 AM
Willian seemingly available after not fancying Fulham’s contract offer, wrong age but always seems to offer a threat. 

35 next month, not for me.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on July 01, 2023, 09:53:15 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on June 30, 2023, 08:48:28 PM
So Ferran Torres. I’m sounding like a right misery arse, he’s a bit of a name but hasn’t pulled up any trees at Man City or Barcelona. When I used to take more notice of Spanish football he was highly rated at Valencia, now I’m sure he has the potential to be better but, genuine question, is he an upgrade on Bailey?
We don't want to end up with twin towers in our team. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on July 01, 2023, 09:55:38 AM
			

			

				So he is, report I read  incorrectly said 33. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on July 01, 2023, 10:23:48 AM
			

			

				I would have liked Harvey barnes - big upgrade on Bailey imo 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Baldy on July 01, 2023, 10:51:05 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Beard82 on July 01, 2023, 10:23:48 AM
I would have liked Harvey barnes - big upgrade on Bailey imo

I would like a bid put in for Rihad Mahrez. Another big upgrade on Bailey.

Man City are letting some of their older players go. He is a class act, underused and still has a couple of good years in him.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on July 01, 2023, 11:01:05 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Beard82 on July 01, 2023, 10:23:48 AM
I would have liked Harvey barnes - big upgrade on Bailey imo 
Don't agree. Whilst Bailey is inconsistent he played in a team who needed to win most of their matches and played his part is doing that. Barnes played his part in relegating a team. A mostly ineffective player. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 01, 2023, 11:05:49 AM
			

			

				If being in a relegated team is a reason not to sign a player, you might want to stay clear of the OS today ;-)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Flamingo Lane on July 01, 2023, 11:28:51 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 01, 2023, 11:05:49 AM
If being in a relegated team is a reason not to sign a player, you might want to stay clear of the OS today ;-)

Though there are those (and some on here) who would have us buy the nucleus of that relegated team, ie Tielemans, Maddison and Barnes. One's enough for me.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Pete3206 on July 01, 2023, 11:29:20 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: olaftab on July 01, 2023, 11:01:05 AM
Quote from: Beard82 on July 01, 2023, 10:23:48 AM
I would have liked Harvey barnes - big upgrade on Bailey imo 
Don't agree. Whilst Bailey is inconsistent he played in a team who needed to win most of their matches and played his part is doing that. Barnes played his part in relegating a team. A mostly ineffective player. 

Nah, Barnes is a good player. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dicedlam on July 01, 2023, 11:36:45 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Baldy on July 01, 2023, 10:51:05 AM
Quote from: Beard82 on July 01, 2023, 10:23:48 AM
I would have liked Harvey barnes - big upgrade on Bailey imo

I would like a bid put in for Rihad Mahrez. Another big upgrade on Bailey.

Man City are letting some of their older players go. He is a class act, underused and still has a couple of good years in him.

I am never a fan of taking players from the so called 'big six'. They never seem to perform like they did at the club they leave. A sort of a step down and they seem to have if you like, a ''you are lucky to have me'' attitude. (obviously discounting the likes of God, Saunders, and Staunton amongst a few others). 
We have had our fair share over the years with the likes of Ireland, Collymore, Lescott, etc.

They rarely seldom work out for the buying team. A few examples below.

Man City - Sterling, De Jesus, Zinchenko. All three of them mainly coming off the bench for their new clubs.
Man Utd - Pereira, Pogba, Bailly, Lingard

Chelsea - Koulibaly, Mendy. 
Arsenal - Pepe,
Liverpool - Naby Keita, Mane,Minamino, Origi
Spurs - Moura, Ndombele

I would like to think that gone are the days when we are happy to sign another teams cast offs and we are looked upon as one last pay day.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 01, 2023, 11:40:49 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Pete3206 on July 01, 2023, 11:29:20 AM
Quote from: olaftab on July 01, 2023, 11:01:05 AM
Quote from: Beard82 on July 01, 2023, 10:23:48 AM
I would have liked Harvey barnes - big upgrade on Bailey imo 
Don't agree. Whilst Bailey is inconsistent he played in a team who needed to win most of their matches and played his part is doing that. Barnes played his part in relegating a team. A mostly ineffective player. 

Nah, Barnes is a good player. 

I thought that at times last season too until the back end of the season. He’s very good going forward but when you watch hime closely his defensive duties are not what Emery would want and I think that’s the reason we haven’t looked further. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on July 01, 2023, 11:44:44 AM
			

			

				Although a cursory scan of that list would lead me to argue that Jesus and Zinchenko were pretty key in Arsenal getting an unexpected runners up spot and the Chelsea players listed haven’t played for their new clubs yet. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on July 01, 2023, 12:09:54 PM
			

			

				I wouldn't have minded Azpilicueta for a couple of seasons. He's off to Madrid apparently though. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 01, 2023, 12:15:41 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PeterWithe on July 01, 2023, 11:44:44 AM
Although a cursory scan of that list would lead me to argue that Jesus and Zinchenko were pretty key in Arsenal getting an unexpected runners up spot and the Chelsea players listed haven’t played for their new clubs yet. 

Pereira was also one of Fulham's best players last season. And while Koulibaly, Mendy, Moura and Keita might well appear on a list like this in the future, it feels a bit harsh to say that haven't been successes at their new clubs before they've even started there. 

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RamboandBruno on July 01, 2023, 12:32:23 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: olaftab on July 01, 2023, 11:01:05 AM
Quote from: Beard82 on July 01, 2023, 10:23:48 AM
I would have liked Harvey barnes - big upgrade on Bailey imo 
Don't agree. Whilst Bailey is inconsistent he played in a team who needed to win most of their matches and played his part is doing that. Barnes played his part in relegating a team. A mostly ineffective player.

I like Barnes, ever since his loan at West Brom in the championship. Its a debatable  point but Leicester called him back after xmas that season and Albions form dipped accordingly, the football Gods aligned with our form going the other way. 
I’d like him at Villa, but I won’t be devastated if we don’t, i think Unai and Monchi will have their sights set on Spain and Portugal. 
Just on Barnes being ineffective, he scored 13 goals from the wing last season and probably has similar figures for other seasons, so i suppose it depends on your definition of ineffective for a winger. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Goldenballs on July 01, 2023, 12:42:23 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clampy on July 01, 2023, 12:09:54 PM
I wouldn't have minded Azpilicueta for a couple of seasons. He's off to Madrid apparently though. 

His legs have completely gone. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 01, 2023, 12:56:26 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: RamboandBruno on July 01, 2023, 12:32:23 PM
Quote from: olaftab on July 01, 2023, 11:01:05 AM
Quote from: Beard82 on July 01, 2023, 10:23:48 AM
I would have liked Harvey barnes - big upgrade on Bailey imo 
Don't agree. Whilst Bailey is inconsistent he played in a team who needed to win most of their matches and played his part is doing that. Barnes played his part in relegating a team. A mostly ineffective player.

I like Barnes, ever since his loan at West Brom in the championship. Its a debatable  point but Leicester called him back after xmas that season and Albions form dipped accordingly, the football Gods aligned with our form going the other way. 
I’d like him at Villa, but I won’t be devastated if we don’t, i think Unai and Monchi will have their sights set on Spain and Portugal. 
Just on Barnes being ineffective, he scored 13 goals from the wing last season and probably has similar figures for other seasons, so i suppose it depends on your definition of ineffective for a winger. 

Indeed, I’d hate to have an ineffective winger who only scored 13 goals last season and Bailey is hardly known for his defensive work. I know it’s in vogue to have your forward players help out defensively but first and foremost they need to deliver going forward and Barnes certainly does that. For the rumoured price I think he’s great value.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on July 01, 2023, 01:13:04 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PeterWithe on July 01, 2023, 11:44:44 AM
Although a cursory scan of that list would lead me to argue that Jesus and Zinchenko were pretty key in Arsenal getting an unexpected runners up spot and the Chelsea players listed haven’t played for their new clubs yet.

Yeah think it depends on the attitude of the players really.  Jesus and Zinchenko obviously relished the chance of regular football at a club they were happy to join.  

What you really don’t want is a half-arsed player who sees joining your club as a massive step down and just dials it in.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Chris Smith on July 01, 2023, 01:44:25 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: tomd2103 on July 01, 2023, 01:13:04 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on July 01, 2023, 11:44:44 AM
Although a cursory scan of that list would lead me to argue that Jesus and Zinchenko were pretty key in Arsenal getting an unexpected runners up spot and the Chelsea players listed haven’t played for their new clubs yet.

Yeah think it depends on the attitude of the players really.  Jesus and Zinchenko obviously relished the chance of regular football at a club they were happy to join.  

What you really don’t want is a half-arsed player who sees joining your club as a massive step down and just dials it in.  

I don’t believe Emery would ever contemplate signing that sort of player. Anyone who joins will know that it’s about the team first and foremost and if they do not buy into that then they’re not going to play. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 01, 2023, 02:01:28 PM
			

			

				Would certainly be interested in Mahrez if he's available 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 01, 2023, 02:19:35 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 01, 2023, 02:01:28 PM
Would certainly be interested in Mahrez if he's available

Great player. As others have said would he be hungry to be the main man and play each week or would he see villa as part of his retirement plan?

I also think older players may be less inclined to buy into Emery’s long lectures. So that should also be a consideration, 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on July 01, 2023, 02:20:07 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 01, 2023, 02:01:28 PM
Would certainly be interested in Mahrez if he's available

If he leaves there this summer it will be for the mega riches of the Executioners League 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on July 01, 2023, 02:35:32 PM
			

			

				I wonder if we are still in for Zaha? Hasn’t gone to Saudi yet. Proven high level PL talent on a free. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AlexAlexCropley on July 01, 2023, 02:36:20 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 01, 2023, 02:35:32 PM
I wonder if we are still in for Zaha? Hasn’t gone to Saudi yet. Proven high level PL talent on a free.
Urgh
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 01, 2023, 02:38:08 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 01, 2023, 02:35:32 PM
I wonder if we are still in for Zaha? Hasn’t gone to Saudi yet. Proven high level PL talent on a free. 

Yes please. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on July 01, 2023, 02:54:41 PM
			

			

				Yes please also
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on July 01, 2023, 02:58:33 PM
			

			

				Zaha is a very good player and the type of footballing wider player I think we might be looking for.   On a free transfer, some may not like his attitude on the pitch but I suspect when he's on your side, we'd learn to like it.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 01, 2023, 02:59:52 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AlexAlexCropley on July 01, 2023, 02:36:20 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 01, 2023, 02:35:32 PM
I wonder if we are still in for Zaha? Hasn’t gone to Saudi yet. Proven high level PL talent on a free.

Urgh

A no from me as well
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on July 01, 2023, 03:00:27 PM
			

			

				Doesn't exactly strike me as the platonic ideal of an Unai Emery player.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Anthenagin on July 01, 2023, 03:09:48 PM
			

			

				Didn't Emery want him when he was at Arsenal?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villatillidie25 on July 01, 2023, 03:12:31 PM
			

			

				Yeah but they spanked £72m on the waste of space Pepe instead 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on July 01, 2023, 03:18:09 PM
			

			

				Pretty widely reported he’s got a £200k a week offer from Palace which, if you believe that article about our wage structure that was on here recently, puts him outside of it

Be a great addition for us though, almost perfect. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on July 01, 2023, 03:32:32 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on July 01, 2023, 02:59:52 PM
Quote from: AlexAlexCropley on July 01, 2023, 02:36:20 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 01, 2023, 02:35:32 PM
I wonder if we are still in for Zaha? Hasn’t gone to Saudi yet. Proven high level PL talent on a free.

Urgh

A no from me as well
A prima donna and actually possess mediocre stats in his Palace career. Nearly 300 games about 60 goals and 40 assists. We need to keep away. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 01, 2023, 04:09:47 PM
			

			

				I don't think we should buy anyone from the big 6 or the bottom 3, so just the 11 clubs. Seriously though, I don't know why people have these blanket views, it's obviously a case by case basis and all depends on what the player has or hasn't done. I couldn't care less which club they have come from as long as they are deemed good enough, that last bit you can debate but not where they have come from.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: UK Redsox on July 01, 2023, 04:19:11 PM
			

			

				I expect Zaha to stay at Palace. 

He's a local lad and just become part owner of AFC Croydon 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on July 01, 2023, 04:28:33 PM
			

			

				Incredible that a club the size of Palace are prepared to offer him that kind of wedge. I imagine they have a fair few in their squad on close to a tenth of that sort of money. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: The Charmer on July 01, 2023, 05:16:57 PM
			

			

				Wasn't Benteke on about £130k a week ? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on July 01, 2023, 05:27:12 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on July 01, 2023, 04:09:47 PM
I don't think we should buy anyone from the big 6 or the bottom 3, so just the 11 clubs. Seriously though, I don't know why people have these blanket views, it's obviously a case by case basis and all depends on what the player has or hasn't done. I couldn't care less which club they have come from as long as they are deemed good enough, that last bit you can debate but not where they have come from.
There are more than 11 club Europe wide. There are different problems associated with signing players from  clubs who regularly play in the CL and those from relegated teams. CL players become available on their way down and are usually bit miffed about stepping down. As for relegated players I am struggling to name one who has done really well for a PL club post relegation. There must be one or two? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 01, 2023, 09:01:10 PM
			

			

				Twitter linking us with winger Hirving Lozano of Napoli and Seville forward En Nesyri who West Ham were supposedly keen on last season.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Mellin on July 01, 2023, 09:04:48 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: olaftab on July 01, 2023, 05:27:12 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on July 01, 2023, 04:09:47 PM
I don't think we should buy anyone from the big 6 or the bottom 3, so just the 11 clubs. Seriously though, I don't know why people have these blanket views, it's obviously a case by case basis and all depends on what the player has or hasn't done. I couldn't care less which club they have come from as long as they are deemed good enough, that last bit you can debate but not where they have come from.
There are more than 11 club Europe wide. There are different problems associated with signing players from  clubs who regularly play in the CL and those from relegated teams. CL players become available on their way down and are usually bit miffed about stepping down. As for relegated players I am struggling to name one who has done really well for a PL club post relegation. There must be one or two? 

Andy Robertson.

Wijnaldum too.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: rougegorge on July 01, 2023, 09:07:31 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: olaftab on July 01, 2023, 05:27:12 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on July 01, 2023, 04:09:47 PM
I don't think we should buy anyone from the big 6 or the bottom 3, so just the 11 clubs. Seriously though, I don't know why people have these blanket views, it's obviously a case by case basis and all depends on what the player has or hasn't done. I couldn't care less which club they have come from as long as they are deemed good enough, that last bit you can debate but not where they have come from.
There are more than 11 club Europe wide. There are different problems associated with signing players from  clubs who regularly play in the CL and those from relegated teams. CL players become available on their way down and are usually bit miffed about stepping down. As for relegated players I am struggling to name one who has done really well for a PL club post relegation. There must be one or two?
Yes, there are a few with decent recent success. Not a comprehensive list, but a selection: Wijnaldum and Robertson mentioned already ...Sissoko, Gueye, Ramsdale, Maguire, Pickford, Ake, Wilson.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 01, 2023, 09:30:13 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: rougegorge on July 01, 2023, 09:07:31 PM
Quote from: olaftab on July 01, 2023, 05:27:12 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on July 01, 2023, 04:09:47 PM
I don't think we should buy anyone from the big 6 or the bottom 3, so just the 11 clubs. Seriously though, I don't know why people have these blanket views, it's obviously a case by case basis and all depends on what the player has or hasn't done. I couldn't care less which club they have come from as long as they are deemed good enough, that last bit you can debate but not where they have come from.
There are more than 11 club Europe wide. There are different problems associated with signing players from  clubs who regularly play in the CL and those from relegated teams. CL players become available on their way down and are usually bit miffed about stepping down. As for relegated players I am struggling to name one who has done really well for a PL club post relegation. There must be one or two?
Yes, there are a few with decent recent success. Not a comprehensive list, but a selection: Wijnaldum and Robertson mentioned already ...Sissoko, Gueye, Ramsdale, Maguire, Pickford, Ake, Wilson.

There are plenty of them, good players sometimes play in bad, relegated sides. Maddison, Barnes and Tielemans are three examples from one club relegated this season alone.  Lavia, Livramento and Ward-Prowse at Southampton. Tyler Adams at Leeds. These are all good players, and that's from this season alone.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: nigel on July 01, 2023, 09:58:51 PM
			

			

				Talking of relegated teams:
Latest Aston Villa news from BirminghamLive as Armel Bella-Kotchap is set to depart Southampton
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ldavfc4eva on July 01, 2023, 10:30:37 PM
			

			

				Bella-Kotchap would be a good signing imo

Shift Chambers and he could be a decent buy, Young and has some premier league experience already 

Carlos is the one who I’m interested in though, hopefully he will have a good pre season and be the player we hoped he would be, if so (once Pau is confirmed) we will have a great selection of central defenders with Ty, Konsa, Pau and Diego
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: rob_bridge on July 01, 2023, 10:40:01 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 01, 2023, 09:01:10 PM
Twitter linking us with winger Hirving Lozano of Napoli and Seville forward En Nesyri who West Ham were supposedly keen on last season.

Well if Twitter are linking us then it is true. 

Probably unveiled tomorow.

This Twitter fella knows his stuff
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 01, 2023, 11:42:52 PM
			

			

				Inter have confirmed United are interested in Onana, and are also being linked with Justin Bijlow. Hopefully that means they're not sniffing around us for Martinez. That rumour seems to have died down. 

(That said I also read they've asked De Gea not to sign for anyone else, despite not renewing his contract, and they've stopped Forest from signing Henderson permanently in case they can't get anyone new in. So who knows)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on July 01, 2023, 11:46:34 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 01, 2023, 11:42:52 PM
Inter have confirmed United are interested in Onana, and are also being linked with Justin Bijlow. Hopefully that means they're not sniffing around us for Martinez. That rumour seems to have died down. 

(That said I also read they've asked De Gea not to sign for anyone else, despite not renewing his contract, and they've stopped Forest from signing Henderson permanently in case they can't get anyone new in. So who knows)

Tim Vickery said today on Talksport, the word in Argentina is that Emi would like to move, but he likes Villa. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 01, 2023, 11:54:20 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: villadelph on July 01, 2023, 11:46:34 PM
Tim Vickery said today on Talksport, the word in Argentina is that Emi would like to move, but he likes Villa.

I know players brain's don't seem to work this way but you'd think given all the unrest at Utd the last while, and the way they've treated their current keepers, he wouldn't want to go within a mile of them. Chelsea were the other team he was linked with a while ago, and they're as bad. But as I said, it doesn't seem to put many people off. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 02, 2023, 12:37:35 AM
			

			

				The Plastics can't afford Emi unless we decide to sell him for a comically ridiculous low price of 40m. It will take double that I'd imagine. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 02, 2023, 12:41:21 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on July 02, 2023, 12:37:35 AM
The Plastics can't afford Emi unless we decide to sell him for a comically ridiculous low price of 40m. It will take double that I'd imagine.

They quite obviously can afford him. If they decided he was worth £80m of their horrible money, it wouldn't be a problem for them.

Be surprised if they did though, given there are plenty of two-thirds of the player for half of the price available elsewhere. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 02, 2023, 08:49:12 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on July 02, 2023, 12:41:21 AM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on July 02, 2023, 12:37:35 AM
The Plastics can't afford Emi unless we decide to sell him for a comically ridiculous low price of 40m. It will take double that I'd imagine.

They quite obviously can afford him. If they decided he was worth £80m of their horrible money, it wouldn't be a problem for them.

Be surprised if they did though, given there are plenty of two-thirds of the player for half of the price available elsewhere. 

They have around a total of 100m to spend this summer due to FFP regulations, so you're right they could afford him just it wouldn't leave them much for all the other players they need to replace. There's a reason their fans don't want a billionaire Man U fan owning the club, they want oil money. 

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on July 02, 2023, 09:52:57 AM
			

			

				Not that I'd want us to lose our top players but have Man yew got anyone we'd want to swap Emi with?  Sancho, McTominay and Wan Bissaka are all a no from me.  As for Harry Maguire!! 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: stevo_st on July 02, 2023, 10:08:41 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 01, 2023, 09:30:13 PM
Quote from: rougegorge on July 01, 2023, 09:07:31 PM
Quote from: olaftab on July 01, 2023, 05:27:12 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on July 01, 2023, 04:09:47 PM
I don't think we should buy anyone from the big 6 or the bottom 3, so just the 11 clubs. Seriously though, I don't know why people have these blanket views, it's obviously a case by case basis and all depends on what the player has or hasn't done. I couldn't care less which club they have come from as long as they are deemed good enough, that last bit you can debate but not where they have come from.
There are more than 11 club Europe wide. There are different problems associated with signing players from  clubs who regularly play in the CL and those from relegated teams. CL players become available on their way down and are usually bit miffed about stepping down. As for relegated players I am struggling to name one who has done really well for a PL club post relegation. There must be one or two?
Yes, there are a few with decent recent success. Not a comprehensive list, but a selection: Wijnaldum and Robertson mentioned already ...Sissoko, Gueye, Ramsdale, Maguire, Pickford, Ake, Wilson.

There are plenty of them, good players sometimes play in bad, relegated sides. Maddison, Barnes and Tielemans are three examples from one club relegated this season alone.  Lavia, Livramento and Ward-Prowse at Southampton. Tyler Adams at Leeds. These are all good players, and that's from this season alone.

And Joe turned out to be a £100m player
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 02, 2023, 10:25:13 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: rob_bridge on July 01, 2023, 10:40:01 PM
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 01, 2023, 09:01:10 PM
Twitter linking us with winger Hirving Lozano of Napoli and Seville forward En Nesyri who West Ham were supposedly keen on last season.

Well if Twitter are linking us then it is true. 

Probably unveiled tomorow.

This Twitter fella knows his stuff

Apologies for mentioning a rumour on a thread with rumours in the title.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on July 02, 2023, 10:32:18 AM
			

			

				Hirving Lozano seems to be a real talent.  Right sided forward with lots of goals and assists. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 02, 2023, 10:34:53 AM
			

			

				Plus we've never had a Mexican player (prepares to tick country off list)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: jwarry on July 02, 2023, 10:57:11 AM
			

			

				Lozano is popularly known by his nick name Chucky, after the doll of the Child's Play horror film series. He reportedly got the moniker during his youth career, as he used to hide under team-mates' beds and scare them.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on July 02, 2023, 11:00:23 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: jwarry on July 02, 2023, 10:57:11 AM
Lozano is popularly known by his nick name Chucky, after the doll of the Child's Play horror film series. He reportedly got the moniker during his youth career, as he used to hide under team-mates' beds and scare them.

Please say that's true. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on July 02, 2023, 11:59:32 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clampy on July 02, 2023, 11:00:23 AM
Quote from: jwarry on July 02, 2023, 10:57:11 AM
Lozano is popularly known by his nick name Chucky, after the doll of the Child's Play horror film series. He reportedly got the moniker during his youth career, as he used to hide under team-mates' beds and scare them.

Please say that's true.
Imagine Craig Gardener pulling that trick.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on July 02, 2023, 12:05:29 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: stevo_st on July 02, 2023, 10:08:41 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 01, 2023, 09:30:13 PM
Quote from: rougegorge on July 01, 2023, 09:07:31 PM
Quote from: olaftab on July 01, 2023, 05:27:12 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on July 01, 2023, 04:09:47 PM
I don't think we should buy anyone from the big 6 or the bottom 3, so just the 11 clubs. Seriously though, I don't know why people have these blanket views, it's obviously a case by case basis and all depends on what the player has or hasn't done. I couldn't care less which club they have come from as long as they are deemed good enough, that last bit you can debate but not where they have come from.
There are more than 11 club Europe wide. There are different problems associated with signing players from  clubs who regularly play in the CL and those from relegated teams. CL players become available on their way down and are usually bit miffed about stepping down. As for relegated players I am struggling to name one who has done really well for a PL club post relegation. There must be one or two?
Yes, there are a few with decent recent success. Not a comprehensive list, but a selection: Wijnaldum and Robertson mentioned already ...Sissoko, Gueye, Ramsdale, Maguire, Pickford, Ake, Wilson.

There are plenty of them, good players sometimes play in bad, relegated sides. Maddison, Barnes and Tielemans are three examples from one club relegated this season alone.  Lavia, Livramento and Ward-Prowse at Southampton. Tyler Adams at Leeds. These are all good players, and that's from this season alone.

And Joe turned out to be a £100m player
But other than that nothing...as I said :-[
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Mister E on July 02, 2023, 01:08:27 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on July 02, 2023, 09:52:57 AM
Not that I'd want us to lose our top players but have Man yew got anyone we'd want to swap Emi with?  Sancho, McTominay and Wan Bissaka are all a no from me.  As for Harry Maguire!! 
Henderson?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on July 02, 2023, 02:57:15 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 02, 2023, 10:34:53 AM
Plus we've never had a Mexican player (prepares to tick country off list)

Word is that Sexual Ealing is the go-between out there to broker the deal.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villatillidie25 on July 02, 2023, 03:36:15 PM
			

			

				Linked with another defender, Ibanez from Roma. If we are, that feels like it must be the end for Carlos… (assuming Torres signs)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Mister E on July 02, 2023, 04:43:03 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Villatillidie25 on July 02, 2023, 03:36:15 PM
Linked with another defender, Ibanez from Roma. If we are, that feels like it must be the end for Carlos… (assuming Torres signs)
Ibanez is a RWB isn't he?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: CT Villan on July 02, 2023, 04:51:04 PM
			

			

				Ibanez is highly strung, but could strike a chord with the fans.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 02, 2023, 04:54:48 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: CT Villan on July 02, 2023, 04:51:04 PM
Ibanez is highly strung, but could strike a chord with the fans.

Need to see a more concrete link before I start to fret. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Mister E on July 02, 2023, 05:28:48 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: CT Villan on July 02, 2023, 04:51:04 PM
Ibanez is highly strung, but could strike a chord with the fans.
Where did you pluck that from?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: mrfuse on July 02, 2023, 06:34:21 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Mister E on July 02, 2023, 05:28:48 PM
Quote from: CT Villan on July 02, 2023, 04:51:04 PM
Ibanez is highly strung, but could strike a chord with the fans.
Where did you pluck that from?
One to keep tabs on.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on July 02, 2023, 06:38:32 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: mrfuse on July 02, 2023, 06:34:21 PM
Quote from: Mister E on July 02, 2023, 05:28:48 PM
Quote from: CT Villan on July 02, 2023, 04:51:04 PM
Ibanez is highly strung, but could strike a chord with the fans.
Where did you pluck that from?
One to keep tabs on.
That’s music to my ears 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ventnorVillain on July 02, 2023, 09:12:25 PM
			

			

				This is definitely one to pick up. Just hope he doesn't string us along.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 02, 2023, 09:21:57 PM
			

			

				Ibanez listed as a CB, that can play DM. Maybe could be a  Dendoncker replacement?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 02, 2023, 10:53:36 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 02, 2023, 09:21:57 PM
Ibanez listed as a CB, that can play DM. Maybe could be a  Dendoncker replacement?

He’s highly rated and been linked with bigger clubs since doing well for Roma as a CB, I’d be amazed if he were to come to us as a Donk replacement, to spend the kind of money he’d command he’d be a starter in defence and would put into doubt the future of one of our current CB’s.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 02, 2023, 11:11:10 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on July 02, 2023, 02:57:15 PM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 02, 2023, 10:34:53 AM
Plus we've never had a Mexican player (prepares to tick country off list)

Word is that Sexual Ealing is the go-between out there to broker the deal.

I'm back in the UK putting the finishing touches to the Gary Penrice deal.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rodders on July 02, 2023, 11:34:55 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 02, 2023, 11:11:10 PM
Quote from: eamonn on July 02, 2023, 02:57:15 PM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 02, 2023, 10:34:53 AM
Plus we've never had a Mexican player (prepares to tick country off list)

Word is that Sexual Ealing is the go-between out there to broker the deal.

I'm back in the UK putting the finishing touches to the Gary Penrice deal.

Are you in a position to give us an update on the Benni McCarthy situation too? It's only a matter of time, after all.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 02, 2023, 11:53:40 PM
			

			

				I can't say too much, but the lad wants to come here. The only stumbling block is that he wants there to be a 45-second maximum when he goes for a half-time Bovril, and for the rats to be re-employed at the Villa Chippy.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: rob_bridge on July 03, 2023, 08:06:28 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rodders on July 02, 2023, 11:34:55 PM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 02, 2023, 11:11:10 PM
Quote from: eamonn on July 02, 2023, 02:57:15 PM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 02, 2023, 10:34:53 AM
Plus we've never had a Mexican player (prepares to tick country off list)

Word is that Sexual Ealing is the go-between out there to broker the deal.

I'm back in the UK putting the finishing touches to the Gary Penrice deal.

Are you in a position to give us an update on the Benni McCarthy situation too? It's only a matter of time, after all.

What about Altidore? He is ready for a fresh challenge
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on July 03, 2023, 10:07:00 AM
			

			

				Just 40 days to go and all we've announced is a free transfer.

I'm getting impatient, irritated and frustrated.

I just want exciting news. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 03, 2023, 10:33:29 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on July 03, 2023, 10:07:00 AM
Just 40 days to go and all we've announced is a free transfer.

I'm getting impatient, irritated and frustrated.

I just want exciting news. 

Pau Torres is having his medical this week, it's all done he's just been getting married.

We've therefore signed two high class internationals already.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on July 03, 2023, 10:38:56 AM
			

			

				Talk today of Teun Koopmeiners. Haven't we been linked with him before?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on July 03, 2023, 10:40:01 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 03, 2023, 10:38:56 AM
Talk today of Teun Koopmeiners. Haven't we been linked with him before?

He has the name of a Tintin villain.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on July 03, 2023, 10:46:31 AM
			

			

				Good player but similar to Dendonker in type. Would cost a fair bit I'd imagine and would be competing with Doug and Kamara.

At this rate the back half of our team will have the depth matched only by Man City, and the front half by Lincoln City.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 03, 2023, 10:54:53 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 03, 2023, 10:38:56 AM
Talk today of Teun Koopmeiners. Haven't we been linked with him before?

Half suspecting Teun Koopmeiners is actually flemish for 'absolutely nobody'.

When does that joke start again? Couple of weeks maybe?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on July 03, 2023, 11:01:35 AM
			

			

				I really hate it when it's quiet like this, the inter-season no man's land is hell for obsessive types like me.

Sad as it is to think, I spend so much of my year on Villa that taking it away for a few weeks leaves a stupid hole of nothingness. That's why I reappear on here to annoy all of you, it keeps me sane.  ;D
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 03, 2023, 11:06:05 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 03, 2023, 10:54:53 AM
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 03, 2023, 10:38:56 AM
Talk today of Teun Koopmeiners. Haven't we been linked with him before?

Half suspecting Teun Koopmeiners is actually flemish for 'absolutely nobody'.

When does that joke start again? Couple of weeks maybe?

Israeli-Mexican striker Noah Juan will be linked soon.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 03, 2023, 11:08:22 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 03, 2023, 11:01:35 AM
I really hate it when it's quiet like this, the inter-season no man's land is hell for obsessive types like me.

Sad as it is to think, I spend so much of my year on Villa that taking it away for a few weeks leaves a stupid hole of nothingness. That's why I reappear on here to annoy all of you, it keeps me sane.  ;D

Football and NFL for me, so annoying that neither of them are on at the moment
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 03, 2023, 11:09:44 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 03, 2023, 11:08:22 AM
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 03, 2023, 11:01:35 AM
I really hate it when it's quiet like this, the inter-season no man's land is hell for obsessive types like me.

Sad as it is to think, I spend so much of my year on Villa that taking it away for a few weeks leaves a stupid hole of nothingness. That's why I reappear on here to annoy all of you, it keeps me sane.  ;D

Football and NFL for me, so annoying that neither of them are on at the moment

On the bright side, it's tennis time of year, so that distracts the Mrs from making my life miserable for hours on end.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on July 03, 2023, 11:18:22 AM
			

			

				"Ooh look, a pidgeon, haw haw haw, ooh there's Cliff, isn't it marvellous"

Fuck off with that shite, I hope Just Stop Oil piss on all the strawberries.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on July 03, 2023, 11:37:46 AM
			

			

				Koopmeiners seems to score a lot of goals for a defensive midfielder. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on July 03, 2023, 11:38:23 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on July 03, 2023, 11:18:22 AM
"Ooh look, a pidgeon, haw haw haw, ooh there's Cliff, isn't it marvellous"

Fuck off with that shite, I hope Just Stop Oil piss on all the strawberries.

And you know that vegan piss is the most lethal.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 03, 2023, 11:55:20 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 03, 2023, 11:08:22 AM
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 03, 2023, 11:01:35 AM
I really hate it when it's quiet like this, the inter-season no man's land is hell for obsessive types like me.

Sad as it is to think, I spend so much of my year on Villa that taking it away for a few weeks leaves a stupid hole of nothingness. That's why I reappear on here to annoy all of you, it keeps me sane.  ;D

Football and NFL for me, so annoying that neither of them are on at the moment

Me too although I don’t mind a bit of Wimbledon. Unfortunately my wife isn’t distracted by Wimbledon or anything else really so the non stop cycle of blood pressure raising aggravation goes on all year.
The month of June really is fucking boring without a major tournament despite the better weather and light nights.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dave shelley on July 03, 2023, 01:11:23 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on July 03, 2023, 11:18:22 AM
"Ooh look, a pidgeon, haw haw haw, ooh there's Cliff, isn't it marvellous"

Fuck off with that shite, I hope Just Stop Oil piss on all the strawberries.

Like.

BBC, tennis coverage all afternoon and half the night some of it simultaneously, turn over to BBC 2 and it's today at Wimbledon.  Do fuck off!.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on July 03, 2023, 01:18:36 PM
			

			

				I love tennis but Wimbledon Twee as a genre is as reliable an emetic as is known to medical science. Always much preferred the Roland Garros vibe, in the same way that Pimms is loathsome and Ricard is the apex of civilisation. Which always made it awkward for me as I've always been more of the Federer than Nadal persuasion, but you can't have everything.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on July 03, 2023, 01:23:59 PM
			

			

				What pisses me off the most about Wimbledon is that I have only been once, and I was sent off up a hill to find strawberries, and when I came back down my other half had vanished.

I spent ten minutes searching for him before he finally reappeared, stuffing his face with strawberries and telling me he'd just met Patrick Stewart.  >:(
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on July 03, 2023, 01:27:58 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 03, 2023, 10:38:56 AM
Talk today of Teun Koopmeiners. Haven't we been linked with him before?

I wanted us to sign him a few years ago and mentioned him a few times. Can play Centre back, DM or CM. He's got a great free kick, takes penalties and has a decent shot on him. I think he'd be a really good addition as a replacement for Dendoncker.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dicedlam on July 03, 2023, 01:32:49 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on July 03, 2023, 11:18:22 AM
"Ooh look, a pidgeon, haw haw haw, ooh there's Cliff, isn't it marvellous"

Fuck off with that shite, I hope Just Stop Oil piss on all the strawberries.

If there is one game I cannot abide it is tennis.

As dave said, Wall to wall coverage on the BBC with both the men grunting and the women squealing every time they serve. Anyone would think you was watching porn if you had your windows open.

I loathe it. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bad English on July 03, 2023, 01:33:55 PM
			

			

				Yes, a terrible racket.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 03, 2023, 01:42:30 PM
			

			

				I'm surprised we're not being strongly linked with Samuel Chukwueze. Reports claiming Milan are offering €20m and have already agreed personal terms.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on July 03, 2023, 01:44:13 PM
			

			

				And the Villarreal player who was on loan at Spurs last year, Unai seemed to pick him regularly and Spurs seemingly dont want him permanently. No noise about us wanting him either. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 03, 2023, 01:51:27 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on July 03, 2023, 01:42:30 PM
I'm surprised we're not being strongly linked with Samuel Chukwueze. Reports claiming Milan are offering €20m and have already agreed personal terms.

According to something I heard on some podcast or other, the Villareal fans were pleased that after Unai left, the new bloke started playing him in his correct position. What that change was I can’t recall. A bit like us re: Gerrard and SJM I suppose.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on July 03, 2023, 01:56:23 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bad English on July 03, 2023, 01:33:55 PM
Yes, a terrible racket.
I can't believe that people accept the rubbish that's served up to them sometimes.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: devilla on July 03, 2023, 02:01:34 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Monty on July 03, 2023, 01:18:36 PM
I love tennis but Wimbledon Twee as a genre is as reliable an emetic as is known to medical science. Always much preferred the Roland Garros vibe, in the same way that Pimms is loathsome and Ricard is the apex of civilisation. Which always made it awkward for me as I've always been more of the Federer than Nadal persuasion, but you can't have everything.

I love tennis but one thing that really pisses me off every year is how the BBC wheel out that no mark Henman as though he's the world's greatest authority. The bloke never even got to the final of a grand slam let alone actually win one. But he's there today in his Wimbledon member's clobber holding court. No pun intended. Sums up everything about British plucky loser tennis.

With the very notable exception of Andy Murray the Brits have been rubbish for years.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on July 03, 2023, 02:15:19 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PeterWithe on July 03, 2023, 01:44:13 PM
And the Villarreal player who was on loan at Spurs last year, Unai seemed to pick him regularly and Spurs seemingly dont want him permanently. No noise about us wanting him either. 

We showed no interest in Danjuma in January when he was rumoured to be going to Everton for ages. Then he hardly figured for Spurs. Don't think Emery's interested. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 03, 2023, 02:18:33 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 03, 2023, 01:51:27 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on July 03, 2023, 01:42:30 PM
I'm surprised we're not being strongly linked with Samuel Chukwueze. Reports claiming Milan are offering €20m and have already agreed personal terms.

According to something I heard on some podcast or other, the Villareal fans were pleased that after Unai left, the new bloke started playing him in his correct position. What that change was I can’t recall. A bit like us re: Gerrard and SJM I suppose.

Interesting. Still, he only has 12 months left on his contract.
No news on what we thought back in January was a done summer deal, Unai's favourite son, Mattéo Guendouzi.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on July 03, 2023, 02:21:06 PM
			

			

				Chiesa still hasn't moved anywhere, need to invite him on a luxury canal boat tour to turn his head
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 03, 2023, 02:32:24 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on July 03, 2023, 02:21:06 PM
Chiesa still hasn't moved anywhere, need to invite him on a luxury canal boat tour to turn his head

I think I read his agent will be in the UK this week.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 03, 2023, 02:36:43 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on July 03, 2023, 10:33:29 AM

Pau Torres is having his medical this week, it's all done he's just been getting married.

We've therefore signed two high class internationals already.

That personal conversation with Emery was him telling Torres to get the wife locked in before he brings her to Birmingham. That's why the medical was pushed to this week. He really emphasised the "for better or worse" part of his vows. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on July 03, 2023, 03:00:42 PM
			

			

				I like our business so far. You could make the argument both could or even will be starting options when the season begins. That’s how we have to do it going forward. Bring in top international players to improve our first XI and have the current crop challenge for those positions or drop to the bench. The bench needs to be far better and deeper. Emery and Monchi will know that and do that.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on July 03, 2023, 03:04:40 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: devilla on July 03, 2023, 02:01:34 PM
Quote from: Monty on July 03, 2023, 01:18:36 PM
I love tennis but Wimbledon Twee as a genre is as reliable an emetic as is known to medical science. Always much preferred the Roland Garros vibe, in the same way that Pimms is loathsome and Ricard is the apex of civilisation. Which always made it awkward for me as I've always been more of the Federer than Nadal persuasion, but you can't have everything.

I love tennis but one thing that really pisses me off every year is how the BBC wheel out that no mark Henman as though he's the world's greatest authority. The bloke never even got to the final of a grand slam let alone actually win one. But he's there today in his Wimbledon member's clobber holding court. No pun intended. Sums up everything about British plucky loser tennis.

With the very notable exception of Andy Murray the Brits have been rubbish for years.

Fred Perry is dead unfortunately.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dave shelley on July 03, 2023, 03:05:53 PM
			

			

				He should have done the medical before the honeymoon surely, he'll be knackered after it.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: DB on July 03, 2023, 03:14:16 PM
			

			

				Rico Richards from Boggies looks to be coming. 19yr old on afree.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on July 03, 2023, 03:19:49 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: DB on July 03, 2023, 03:14:16 PM
Rico Richards from Boggies looks to be coming. 19yr old on afree.

According to them he wasn't good enough for them!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: DB on July 03, 2023, 03:20:59 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 03, 2023, 03:19:49 PM
Quote from: DB on July 03, 2023, 03:14:16 PM
Rico Richards from Boggies looks to be coming. 19yr old on afree.

According to them he wasn't good enough for them!

Of course! 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ger Regan on July 03, 2023, 03:39:08 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 03, 2023, 03:19:49 PM
Quote from: DB on July 03, 2023, 03:14:16 PM
Rico Richards from Boggies looks to be coming. 19yr old on afree.

According to them he wasn't good enough for them!
I know nothing about him, but 1 appearance for an almost 20 year old would seem to indicate that he's unlikely to be troubling the first time any time soon, wouldn't it? Would have thought he's more likely being signed with a view to helping with FFP in a year or two...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SamTheMouse on July 03, 2023, 03:41:03 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on July 03, 2023, 01:42:30 PM
I'm surprised we're not being strongly linked with Samuel Chukwueze. Reports claiming Milan are offering €20m and have already agreed personal terms.

That's ridiculously cheap if true. We should be all over that.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on July 03, 2023, 03:42:25 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on July 03, 2023, 02:18:33 PM
No news on what we thought back in January was a done summer deal, Unai's favourite son, Mattéo Guendouzi.

That did go very quiet, I would have thought that the Tielemans signing makes that less of a necessity now, unless JJ is crocked. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 03, 2023, 03:44:50 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ger Regan on July 03, 2023, 03:39:08 PM
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 03, 2023, 03:19:49 PM
Quote from: DB on July 03, 2023, 03:14:16 PM
Rico Richards from Boggies looks to be coming. 19yr old on afree.

According to them he wasn't good enough for them!
I know nothing about him, but 1 appearance for an almost 20 year old would seem to indicate that he's unlikely to be troubling the first time any time soon, wouldn't it? Would have thought he's more likely being signed with a view to helping with FFP in a year or two...

takes a bit of the excitement out of that signing if we have 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: DB on July 03, 2023, 03:57:26 PM
			

			

				Looks like Paul Towers has signed.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 03, 2023, 04:02:14 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: SamTheMouse on July 03, 2023, 03:41:03 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on July 03, 2023, 01:42:30 PM
I'm surprised we're not being strongly linked with Samuel Chukwueze. Reports claiming Milan are offering €20m and have already agreed personal terms.

That's ridiculously cheap if true. We should be all over that.

Yup. Aston Villareal haven't accepted that value, they'll want a lot more but Milan are making a move.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on July 03, 2023, 04:05:44 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: DB on July 03, 2023, 03:57:26 PM
Looks like Paul Towers has signed.

I prefer his brother Alton. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on July 03, 2023, 04:25:59 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clampy on July 03, 2023, 04:05:44 PM
Quote from: DB on July 03, 2023, 03:57:26 PM
Looks like Paul Towers has signed.

I prefer his brother Alton. 

Too fucking expensive!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on July 03, 2023, 04:45:55 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on July 03, 2023, 04:25:59 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 03, 2023, 04:05:44 PM
Quote from: DB on July 03, 2023, 03:57:26 PM
Looks like Paul Towers has signed.

I prefer his brother Alton. 

Too fucking expensive!

Yeah, he'd take us for a ride.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on July 03, 2023, 05:04:36 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on July 03, 2023, 02:21:06 PM
Chiesa still hasn't moved anywhere, need to invite him on a luxury canal boat tour to turn his head

How would he feel if we blasted out Duran Duran from the speakers (it wouldn't have to be Rio)?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on July 03, 2023, 05:09:51 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: DB on July 03, 2023, 03:14:16 PM
Rico Richards from Boggies looks to be coming. 19yr old on afree.
19 and released by West Brom.  I remember Purslow saying at 19 players should be pushing for the first team squad.  This seems a really odd signing to me.  Anyone know much about him?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on July 03, 2023, 05:14:12 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on July 03, 2023, 05:09:51 PM
Quote from: DB on July 03, 2023, 03:14:16 PM
Rico Richards from Boggies looks to be coming. 19yr old on afree.
19 and released by West Brom.  I remember Purslow saying at 19 players should be pushing for the first team squad.  This seems a really odd signing to me.  Anyone know much about him?

It’s a bit like the Finn Azaz one, who will be 23 in September but only ever been out on loan.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 03, 2023, 05:14:38 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on July 03, 2023, 05:09:51 PM
Quote from: DB on July 03, 2023, 03:14:16 PM
Rico Richards from Boggies looks to be coming. 19yr old on afree.
19 and released by West Brom.  I remember Purslow saying at 19 players should be pushing for the first team squad.  This seems a really odd signing to me.  Anyone know much about him?

Rotterdam is bound t9 know all about him 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ger Regan on July 03, 2023, 05:28:56 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 03, 2023, 05:14:12 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on July 03, 2023, 05:09:51 PM
Quote from: DB on July 03, 2023, 03:14:16 PM
Rico Richards from Boggies looks to be coming. 19yr old on afree.
19 and released by West Brom.  I remember Purslow saying at 19 players should be pushing for the first team squad.  This seems a really odd signing to me.  Anyone know much about him?

It’s a bit like the Finn Azaz one, who will be 23 in September but only ever been out on loan.
Finn has done enough to get himself a decent move elsewhere and make us a few quid, so probably that's the intent with a few of the youth players, including Richards. A bit like the chelsea model, just not as odious.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RamboandBruno on July 03, 2023, 05:32:07 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on July 03, 2023, 05:04:36 PM
Quote from: LeeB on July 03, 2023, 02:21:06 PM
Chiesa still hasn't moved anywhere, need to invite him on a luxury canal boat tour to turn his head

How would he feel if we blasted out Duran Duran from the speakers (it wouldn't have to be Rio)?

I was out having a drink and meal with the wife and kids on Saturday, canalside in Brum. Having a pre meal pint sitting outside the Tap & Spile, i noticed a couple of punters ordering a couple of huge fry ups at what was about 6pm. Surely the promise of this would get Chiesa over the line??
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: oldtimernow on July 03, 2023, 06:17:13 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 03, 2023, 11:01:35 AM
I really hate it when it's quiet like this, the inter-season no man's land is hell for obsessive types like me.

Sad as it is to think, I spend so much of my year on Villa that taking it away for a few weeks leaves a stupid hole of nothingness. That's why I reappear on here to annoy all of you, it keeps me sane.  ;D

It's much better than the time we sat around refreshing every 5 minutes to see if Joe was leaving or staying
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 03, 2023, 06:38:57 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: oldtimernow on July 03, 2023, 06:17:13 PM
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 03, 2023, 11:01:35 AM
I really hate it when it's quiet like this, the inter-season no man's land is hell for obsessive types like me.

Sad as it is to think, I spend so much of my year on Villa that taking it away for a few weeks leaves a stupid hole of nothingness. That's why I reappear on here to annoy all of you, it keeps me sane.  ;D

It's much better than the time we sat around refreshing every 5 minutes to see if Joe was leaving or staying

Whilst analysing his and Deano's body language at the private club in West London.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on July 03, 2023, 06:43:16 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on July 03, 2023, 06:38:57 PM
Quote from: oldtimernow on July 03, 2023, 06:17:13 PM
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 03, 2023, 11:01:35 AM
I really hate it when it's quiet like this, the inter-season no man's land is hell for obsessive types like me.

Sad as it is to think, I spend so much of my year on Villa that taking it away for a few weeks leaves a stupid hole of nothingness. That's why I reappear on here to annoy all of you, it keeps me sane.  ;D

It's much better than the time we sat around refreshing every 5 minutes to see if Joe was leaving or staying

Whilst analysing his and Deano's body language at the private club in West London.
100% I was thinking about that today - that was horrid, I did no work for 2 days.  My low was watching a video of Mings over and over again and trying to convince myself he asked Deano "his staying?" and Deano said "Yea".  

On my deathbed, that's the time ill want back - those 2 days.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: jwarry on July 03, 2023, 07:12:47 PM
			

			

				Why would Dogheads sell Collins to Brentford? Are they that desperate? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on July 03, 2023, 07:22:08 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: jwarry on July 03, 2023, 07:12:47 PM
Why would Dogheads sell Collins to Brentford? Are they that desperate? 

If reports are to be believed I’d say yes.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ian. on July 03, 2023, 07:44:27 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 03, 2023, 07:22:08 PM
Quote from: jwarry on July 03, 2023, 07:12:47 PM
Why would Dogheads sell Collins to Brentford? Are they that desperate? 

If reports are to be believed I’d say yes.

I’ve heard they have to sell and make a fair bit of money before they can buy.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Richard E on July 03, 2023, 07:45:24 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: jwarry on July 03, 2023, 07:12:47 PM
Why would Dogheads sell Collins to Brentford? Are they that desperate? 
Because they didn’t think it would be right of them to stand in the way of him joining a bigger club.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on July 03, 2023, 07:52:46 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: RamboandBruno on July 03, 2023, 05:32:07 PM
Quote from: eamonn on July 03, 2023, 05:04:36 PM
Quote from: LeeB on July 03, 2023, 02:21:06 PM
Chiesa still hasn't moved anywhere, need to invite him on a luxury canal boat tour to turn his head

How would he feel if we blasted out Duran Duran from the speakers (it wouldn't have to be Rio)?

I was out having a drink and meal with the wife and kids on Saturday, canalside in Brum. Having a pre meal pint sitting outside the Tap & Spile, i noticed a couple of punters ordering a couple of huge fry ups at what was about 6pm. Surely the promise of this would get Chiesa over the line??

Is Mr Egg still open? That would seal it surely? Failing that, one of those Mr Sizzle burger vans. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 03, 2023, 08:03:07 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: RamboandBruno on July 03, 2023, 05:32:07 PM
I was out having a drink and meal with the wife and kids on Saturday, canalside in Brum. Having a pre meal pint sitting outside the Tap & Spile, i noticed a couple of punters ordering a couple of huge fry ups at what was about 6pm. Surely the promise of this would get Chiesa over the line??

Might not tempt him but he'd at least understand, having watched Brits over the years drinking cappuccinos at 6pm and later.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on July 03, 2023, 08:11:41 PM
			

			

				I see that Joao Cancello was on loan from Man City in Germany but has come back after half a season.  He hasn't been linked to us but wondered if he's any good and a player we might show interest in further down the line?  Plays out wide.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ger Regan on July 03, 2023, 08:17:57 PM
			

			

				Seems like the sort of player that would massively impact squad harmony. No thanks.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on July 03, 2023, 08:30:43 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ger Regan on July 03, 2023, 08:17:57 PM
Seems like the sort of player that would massively impact squad harmony. No thanks.

Is he an arse? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ger Regan on July 03, 2023, 08:32:52 PM
			

			

				Well if the reports of why guardiola was happy to let him go with no replacements brought in, yes. Got arsey when he wasn't picked for a game and ended up having a bust up with a couple of the other players (along with guardiola i think). Fuck that.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on July 03, 2023, 08:44:01 PM
			

			

				Didn’t he kick off at Bayern as well?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on July 03, 2023, 09:02:35 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on July 03, 2023, 10:33:29 AM
Quote from: Smirker on July 03, 2023, 10:07:00 AM
Just 40 days to go and all we've announced is a free transfer.

I'm getting impatient, irritated and frustrated.

I just want exciting news. 

Pau Torres is having his medical this week, it's all done he's just been getting married.

We've therefore signed two high class internationals already.

I know but I want more Risso! 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 03, 2023, 09:09:08 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ger Regan on July 03, 2023, 08:17:57 PM
Seems like the sort of player that would massively impact squad harmony. No thanks.

Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 03, 2023, 08:44:01 PM
Didn’t he kick off at Bayern as well?

Last thing we need at Villa is people banging on about 'Cancelo culture'.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: FatSam on July 03, 2023, 09:14:36 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on July 03, 2023, 09:02:35 PM
I know but I want more Risso!
We all want more Risso. That’s why we spend so much time on here. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 03, 2023, 09:59:58 PM
			

			

				Plenty to go round.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeonW on July 04, 2023, 03:59:15 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on July 03, 2023, 09:09:08 PM
Quote from: Ger Regan on July 03, 2023, 08:17:57 PM
Seems like the sort of player that would massively impact squad harmony. No thanks.

Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 03, 2023, 08:44:01 PM
Didn’t he kick off at Bayern as well?

Last thing we need at Villa is people banging on about 'Cancelo culture'.

Love that.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: JJ-AV on July 04, 2023, 08:54:44 AM
			

			

				I really hope we get Ferran Torres

Assuming Pau comes in, I love the shape the team is taking.

Pau Torres passing from the back in to the intricacy and agility of the likes of Moreno/Ramsey/Tielemans down the left-hand side of the pitch will create lots of space for Ollie and a new right-sided attacker. Ferran Torres has pace and goals, he could be a 10+ goal man for us.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dicedlam on July 04, 2023, 09:04:05 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: JJ-AV on July 04, 2023, 08:54:44 AM
I really hope we get Ferran Torres

Assuming Pau comes in, I love the shape the team is taking.

Pau Torres passing from the back in to the intricacy and agility of the likes of Moreno/Ramsey/Tielemans down the left-hand side of the pitch will create lots of space for Ollie and a new right-sided attacker. Ferran Torres has pace and goals, he could be a 10+ goal man for us.

It might be worth it to take him on loan with an option to buy. He didn't do much at Man City and he sat on the bench mostly at Barcelona.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on July 04, 2023, 09:14:35 AM
			

			

				He always looked a good player to me when I saw him play for Citeh, fast and direct. Like Leroy Sane, was a bit surprised they let him go
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on July 04, 2023, 09:25:03 AM
			

			

				Talk of us being in for Gnonto.

I think he has bags of potential and could be a great signing.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 04, 2023, 09:32:50 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 04, 2023, 09:25:03 AM
Talk of us being in for Gnonto.

I think he has bags of potential and could be a great signing.

He looked great for the first half of the season for Leeds. 2nd half, hit and miss mostly and towards the end of the season his form meant he didn’t get a start. There’s a very good player there in the right set up.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on July 04, 2023, 09:36:54 AM
			

			

				I worry he's the new Adama Traore. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 04, 2023, 09:49:50 AM
			

			

				Romano saying we’re looking to move Dendonkar on, who Emery rates but considers that we already have a lot of competition there. 

Personally, I think Dendonkar is different to most of the others and if we are looking to move him on it’ll be in view of signing someone else, I’d hope a similar but quicker and more mobile version. I guess we’ll see.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on July 04, 2023, 09:56:16 AM
			

			

				I think all wingers risk ending up like Traore, which is basically a lack of consistent end product. The pace and the tricks are great, but unless is consistently leads to goals and assists, it's just a big tease.

I was saying the same the other day about Madueke for the U21s, he looks great, but at the end of the day he will be judged by whether or not he starts consistently getting the end results.

Gnonto could very well go the way of Traore, who in his best season in the PL (2019/20 when Wolves finished 7th) got a goal contribution every 200 minutes. Last season Gnonto got one every 225 minutes. Neither has probably ever been in a Premier League team suited to making best use of them, with the exception of 19/20 when Wolves finished 7th, and even then they only averaged 1.3 goals a game.

For the touted price of 20m EURO, Gnonto is going to be a good gamble for someone if they can help him continue his development.


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 04, 2023, 09:56:48 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brend'Watkins on July 04, 2023, 09:32:50 AM
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 04, 2023, 09:25:03 AM
Talk of us being in for Gnonto.

I think he has bags of potential and could be a great signing.

He looked great for the first half of the season for Leeds. 2nd half, hit and miss mostly and towards the end of the season his form meant he didn’t get a start. There’s a very good player there in the right set up.

I agree.

It'd be harsh to criticise any player for tailing off given the enormous juggernaut-towards-cliff which was Leeds' season.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on July 04, 2023, 10:00:23 AM
			

			

				GK Martinez/ Olsen
RB Cash /Konsa/Chambers
LB Moreno /Digne
CB Mings / Konsa /Carlos / Torres
DM Kamara / Luiz / Iroegbunam
CM McGinn / Ramsey J. / Tielemans 
AM Buendia / Bailey / Coutinho / Ramsey A. 
FW Watkins / Duran /Archer

Definitely need attacking options in a centre forward and width with pace too. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 04, 2023, 10:01:17 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 04, 2023, 09:49:50 AM
Personally, I think Dendonkar is different to most of the others and if we are looking to move him on it’ll be in view of signing someone else, I’d hope a similar but quicker and more mobile version. I guess we’ll see.

If we move Dendoncker on, I think it's more likely because they see Iroegbunam as being ready enough to be part of the squad - if we sell him and buy a replacement, it starts to become hard to see how the latter has a path into the first team. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on July 04, 2023, 10:02:10 AM
			

			

				Agree with that Dave. I do think he might get a chance. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 04, 2023, 10:03:34 AM
			

			

				I wouldn't mind Gnonto in as a prospect, as he seems a stage further on than most of our kids, but I really would be getting the Harvey Barnes deal done. Even if Emery couldn't improve his work rate (which I think he would) you're not getting any less work than either Bailey or Traore, but you are getting a far higher and more consistent goal output.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on July 04, 2023, 10:37:10 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 04, 2023, 09:56:48 AM
Quote from: Brend'Watkins on July 04, 2023, 09:32:50 AM
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 04, 2023, 09:25:03 AM
Talk of us being in for Gnonto.

I think he has bags of potential and could be a great signing.

He looked great for the first half of the season for Leeds. 2nd half, hit and miss mostly and towards the end of the season his form meant he didn’t get a start. There’s a very good player there in the right set up.

I agree.

It'd be harsh to criticise any player for tailing off given the enormous juggernaut-towards-cliff which was Leeds' season.

He's only 19 as well so there's always likely to be a bit of inconsistency at that age. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 04, 2023, 10:39:26 AM
			

			

				Dendoncker is a safe pair of hands and his passing is good, but he's as slow as continental drift and has the turning circle of that enormous tanker that got trapped in the Suez Canal. He's never let us down but I think we need more a more dynamic sub option.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 04, 2023, 10:47:41 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on July 04, 2023, 10:39:26 AM
Dendoncker is a safe pair of hands and his passing is good, but he's as slow as continental drift and has the turning circle of that enormous tanker that got trapped in the Suez Canal. He's never let us down but I think we need more a more dynamic sub option.

Last ten minutes against Stevenage notwithstanding of course. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on July 04, 2023, 10:50:00 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on July 04, 2023, 10:03:34 AM
I wouldn't mind Gnonto in as a prospect, as he seems a stage further on than most of our kids, but I really would be getting the Harvey Barnes deal done. Even if Emery couldn't improve his work rate (which I think he would) you're not getting any less work than either Bailey or Traore, but you are getting a far higher and more consistent goal output.

I've been pretty anti Barnes much of the time, but his numbers are very impressive for a wide player. He's probably as safe a wide player signing as we could make that would improve the team. Him and Gnotto as 2 new wide forward options over Traore and Bailey would be OK 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on July 04, 2023, 10:50:37 AM
			

			

				Still blame Olsen more
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on July 04, 2023, 11:02:35 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on July 04, 2023, 10:39:26 AM
Dendoncker is a safe pair of hands and his passing is good, but he's as slow as continental drift and has the turning circle of that enormous tanker that got trapped in the Suez Canal. He's never let us down but I think we need more a more dynamic sub option.

Everdonck
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Des Little on July 04, 2023, 11:07:30 AM
			

			

				Can't we move Olsen on?  He's an absolute bomb scare
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on July 04, 2023, 11:10:48 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Des Little on July 04, 2023, 11:07:30 AM
Can't we move Olsen on?  He's an absolute bomb scare

And herin lies the problem with moving him on. Fucking Gerrard the twat.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 04, 2023, 12:08:58 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on July 04, 2023, 10:01:17 AM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 04, 2023, 09:49:50 AM
Personally, I think Dendonkar is different to most of the others and if we are looking to move him on it’ll be in view of signing someone else, I’d hope a similar but quicker and more mobile version. I guess we’ll see.

If we move Dendoncker on, I think it's more likely because they see Iroegbunam as being ready enough to be part of the squad - if we sell him and buy a replacement, it starts to become hard to see how the latter has a path into the first team.

Yes quite probably, if Emery thinks he’s good enough to get introduced next season then fair enough.

Gnoto would be a reasonable shout at the right price and as I said several weeks ago I’d be quite pleased with Barnes, always looks good when I’ve watched him. If Emery is looking for wingers we could certainly do worse than those two.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 04, 2023, 12:46:57 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on July 04, 2023, 11:10:48 AM
Quote from: Des Little on July 04, 2023, 11:07:30 AM
Can't we move Olsen on?  He's an absolute bomb scare

And herin lies the problem with moving him on. Fucking Gerrard the twat.

Incredible to think Olsen used to play for Roma.

I wonder what kind of transfer genius recommended THAT signing?

Errr, hang on....
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on July 04, 2023, 12:50:19 PM
			

			

				I'm going to pretend they went over his head with that one and it was one of the issues that led to him not succeeding there.

Based on no factual information whatsoever, but enough supposition for The Spectator to run with it.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: enigma on July 04, 2023, 12:52:06 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: dicedlam on July 04, 2023, 09:04:05 AM
Quote from: JJ-AV on July 04, 2023, 08:54:44 AM
I really hope we get Ferran Torres

Assuming Pau comes in, I love the shape the team is taking.

Pau Torres passing from the back in to the intricacy and agility of the likes of Moreno/Ramsey/Tielemans down the left-hand side of the pitch will create lots of space for Ollie and a new right-sided attacker. Ferran Torres has pace and goals, he could be a 10+ goal man for us.

It might be worth it to take him on loan with an option to buy. He didn't do much at Man City and he sat on the bench mostly at Barcelona.
He did look good at City when he played to be fair and was really good for Spain in that period. I'd take him at the right price.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on July 04, 2023, 01:52:01 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on July 04, 2023, 10:03:34 AM
I wouldn't mind Gnonto in as a prospect, as he seems a stage further on than most of our kids, but I really would be getting the Harvey Barnes deal done. Even if Emery couldn't improve his work rate (which I think he would) you're not getting any less work than either Bailey or Traore, but you are getting a far higher and more consistent goal output.

If last season is anything to go by, whoever comes in as a wide player is unlikely to start every game seeing as we didn't play with an out-and-out wide player in every game.  Therefore we might take more of a risk on a player with potential than more of an established one.

That said, if the price I heard of £25m quoted on the radio for Harvey Barnes is correct then I think it would be good business.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on July 04, 2023, 01:54:27 PM
			

			

				Everyone seems to think Barnes is off to join WHAM! though, don't they?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on July 04, 2023, 02:10:48 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 04, 2023, 01:54:27 PM
Everyone seems to think Barnes is off to join WHAM! though, don't they?

Brady is pushing for the deal, it's everything she wants
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on July 04, 2023, 02:16:54 PM
			

			

				He wants to have a bit more freedom on the pitch apparently. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Chris Smith on July 04, 2023, 02:22:38 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on July 04, 2023, 02:10:48 PM
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 04, 2023, 01:54:27 PM
Everyone seems to think Barnes is off to join WHAM! though, don't they?

Brady is pushing for the deal, it's everything she wants

Yep, she’s been chasing him since last Christmas.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 04, 2023, 02:26:11 PM
			

			

				They were always going to strengthen with the eventual money from selling Rice to Arsenal, it was inevitable since Arteta first called Moyes and said “I want your 6”. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Des Little on July 04, 2023, 02:28:10 PM
			

			

				He needs a Father Figure.  Emery needs to call him and tell him 'I'm Your Man'
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: UK Redsox on July 04, 2023, 02:34:34 PM
			

			

				

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on July 04, 2023, 02:40:48 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on July 04, 2023, 10:01:17 AM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 04, 2023, 09:49:50 AM
Personally, I think Dendonkar is different to most of the others and if we are looking to move him on it’ll be in view of signing someone else, I’d hope a similar but quicker and more mobile version. I guess we’ll see.

If we move Dendoncker on, I think it's more likely because they see Iroegbunam as being ready enough to be part of the squad - if we sell him and buy a replacement, it starts to become hard to see how the latter has a path into the first team.

I like the Donk but sometimes you have to make decisions to free up spots for players coming through. If Iroegbunam does come through this season, it would also give the academy a huge boost. Same really when moving Ings on, Archer should be ready to come in there now and challenge Watkins. 

Just think midfield is by far our strongest part of the squad right now, Luiz, McGinn, Tielemans, Ramsey, Kamara....going to be a battle for Iroegbunam to get minutes. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on July 04, 2023, 02:43:53 PM
			

			

				I think Iroegbunam could still benefit from a loan move to the Championship. He's shown he is capable there so will have clubs interested in taking him, he just needs to go and put it all together and have a standout season where's he's one of the top performers.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on July 04, 2023, 03:24:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 04, 2023, 02:43:53 PM
I think Iroegbunam could still benefit from a loan move to the Championship. He's shown he is capable there so will have clubs interested in taking him, he just needs to go and put it all together and have a standout season where's he's one of the top performers.

Personally I think he & Archer should be in the squad until Christmas, if by then they haven’t had much game time & we will know where we are with Europe then reassess.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Hookeysmith on July 04, 2023, 04:06:37 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on July 04, 2023, 10:03:34 AM
I wouldn't mind Gnonto in as a prospect, as he seems a stage further on than most of our kids, but I really would be getting the Harvey Barnes deal done. Even if Emery couldn't improve his work rate (which I think he would) you're not getting any less work than either Bailey or Traore, but you are getting a far higher and more consistent goal output.

I would prefer the more proven Barnes (he looked better at Albion when younger than Gnonto did at Leeds) but my concern is all his best work is down the left hand side of things where we have a Bailey shaped space that needs filling on the right.

His stats are excellent in a shite team
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on July 04, 2023, 04:16:28 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Hookeysmith on July 04, 2023, 04:06:37 PM
Quote from: Risso on July 04, 2023, 10:03:34 AM
I wouldn't mind Gnonto in as a prospect, as he seems a stage further on than most of our kids, but I really would be getting the Harvey Barnes deal done. Even if Emery couldn't improve his work rate (which I think he would) you're not getting any less work than either Bailey or Traore, but you are getting a far higher and more consistent goal output.

I would prefer the more proven Barnes (he looked better at Albion when younger than Gnonto did at Leeds) but my concern is all his best work is down the left hand side of things where we have a Bailey shaped space that needs filling on the right.

His stats are excellent in a shite team

Just a hunch, but I think Emery might favour a left footed player cutting in on the right hand side.  Bailey and Traore are both stronger on their left and I suppose someone cutting in on that side creates space for the right-back to push into.

Wouldn't be surprised to see us buy a left footed wide player if / when we do purchase one.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 04, 2023, 04:31:24 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: tomd2103 on July 04, 2023, 04:16:28 PM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on July 04, 2023, 04:06:37 PM
Quote from: Risso on July 04, 2023, 10:03:34 AM
I wouldn't mind Gnonto in as a prospect, as he seems a stage further on than most of our kids, but I really would be getting the Harvey Barnes deal done. Even if Emery couldn't improve his work rate (which I think he would) you're not getting any less work than either Bailey or Traore, but you are getting a far higher and more consistent goal output.

I would prefer the more proven Barnes (he looked better at Albion when younger than Gnonto did at Leeds) but my concern is all his best work is down the left hand side of things where we have a Bailey shaped space that needs filling on the right.

His stats are excellent in a shite team

Just a hunch, but I think Emery might favour a left footed player cutting in on the right hand side.  Bailey and Traore are both stronger on their left and I suppose someone cutting in on that side creates space for the right-back to push into.

Wouldn't be surprised to see us buy a left footed wide player if / when we do purchase one.

That obviously can be the case but we didn't really push the RB much in to that space though as he likes asymmetry, it was pretty much all Moreno. Maybe he'll switch which sides attack more this coming season. I generally prefer it when they cut in on their strong foot, it just surprises me how one footed some players appear. I always think to my self that I would train the shit out of my weak foot.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on July 04, 2023, 05:05:40 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Gareth on July 04, 2023, 03:24:17 PM
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 04, 2023, 02:43:53 PM
I think Iroegbunam could still benefit from a loan move to the Championship. He's shown he is capable there so will have clubs interested in taking him, he just needs to go and put it all together and have a standout season where's he's one of the top performers.

Personally I think he & Archer should be in the squad until Christmas, if by then they haven’t had much game time & we will know where we are with Europe then reassess. 

This. 

We need a bigger squad & we can introduce Archer, Iroegbunam & A. Ramsey during European games & cup games, along with the odd Prem sub appearance. 

Once we are into January, if we are still in Europe, League Cup, etc, then we can work out where they need to be in terms of first team or loans...

But not a Championship loan. 

They have all proven they are more than good enough for the Championship. 

A Prem loan, or a loan abroad should be their next step, if they aren't in first team contention.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Matt C on July 04, 2023, 05:57:23 PM
			

			

				20m-approx for Gnonto seems (relatively) pretty reasonable based on my sample of one when he played at Villa Park. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ian. on July 04, 2023, 06:42:30 PM
			

			

				I thought Gnonto looked great, very direct and made things happen. I wouldn’t be too worried about his form dipping towards the end of last season, he’s young and and was in a struggling side. Bowen was struggling for form the first half of last season, it happens.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on July 04, 2023, 06:49:19 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ian. on July 04, 2023, 06:42:30 PM
I thought Gnonto looked great, very direct and made things happen. I wouldn’t be too worried about his form dipping towards the end of last season, he’s young and and was in a struggling side. Bowen was struggling for form the first half of last season, it happens.

I'm not sure. That few months where Leeds fans got all overexcited about him is all anyone has to go on. Plenty of young players have a spell like that but never push on and make it. I'm not convinced he's anything special.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 04, 2023, 06:51:11 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on July 04, 2023, 06:49:19 PM
Quote from: Ian. on July 04, 2023, 06:42:30 PM
I thought Gnonto looked great, very direct and made things happen. I wouldn’t be too worried about his form dipping towards the end of last season, he’s young and and was in a struggling side. Bowen was struggling for form the first half of last season, it happens.

I'm not sure. That few months where Leeds fans got all overexcited about him is all anyone has to go on. Plenty of young players have a spell like that but never push on and make it. I'm not convinced he's anything special.

I agree with Paul on this, I'd be a bit bit wary.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on July 04, 2023, 07:36:21 PM
			

			

				Yeah, me too
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on July 04, 2023, 07:39:29 PM
			

			

				All Leeds had to go on is what they saw from him at his old club. They took a gamble on an 18 year old and now they're about to make a nice profit. Depending what they want for him, I can see a few clubs being interested. It'll be interesting to see how he develops but it wouldn't be a huge gamble. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 04, 2023, 08:02:45 PM
			

			

				Leicester Mercury reporting that Leicester are hoping for a bidding war for Barnes to drive his price up. Reckons us, Newcastle, Spurs and West Ham are the four interested. 

They think we're the most appealing on a personal level because it would mean minimal upheaval for him and his family. Newcastle the only ones that can offer Champions League, but they reckon they're not willing to spend too big again this window. Spurs they think have too many options in similar position, and then West Ham seem a decent option since they've got Europa and the Rice money to spend. 

Still feels like West Ham are the front runners, but doesn't sound like anything is a done deal though. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: FatSam on July 04, 2023, 08:03:18 PM
			

			

				Yes, I have the impression that Leeds were getting plaudits for having an innovative recruitment policy earlier in the season. Turns out it was very similar to us in 15/16, in that it wasn’t the right policy to keep them in the division. Gnonto might be alright, but I’m not convinced he’s ready to help us get to where we want to go. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on July 04, 2023, 08:16:04 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: FatSam on July 04, 2023, 08:03:18 PM
Yes, I have the impression that Leeds were getting plaudits for having an innovative recruitment policy earlier in the season. Turns out it was very similar to us in 15/16, in that it wasn’t the right policy to keep them in the division. Gnonto might be alright, but I’m not convinced he’s ready to help us get to where we want to go. 

Yeah exactly, and also it's worth remembering they paid about £4m that's not much of a gamblefor a premier league team who were, at best, looking at midtable safety. For a team trying to push on from 7th he'd be a Duran like signing where we'd be expecting a few minutes at the end of matches and that's not really what we need. We need someone in that position who is pushing Bailey and Buendia out of the starting 11, he's nowhere near ready to be that player from what I've seen.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on July 04, 2023, 08:17:59 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on July 04, 2023, 06:51:11 PM
Quote from: paul_e on July 04, 2023, 06:49:19 PM
Quote from: Ian. on July 04, 2023, 06:42:30 PM
I thought Gnonto looked great, very direct and made things happen. I wouldn’t be too worried about his form dipping towards the end of last season, he’s young and and was in a struggling side. Bowen was struggling for form the first half of last season, it happens.

I'm not sure. That few months where Leeds fans got all overexcited about him is all anyone has to go on. Plenty of young players have a spell like that but never push on and make it. I'm not convinced he's anything special.

I agree with Paul on this, I'd be a bit bit wary.

Plus, he is 5'5". 

We aren't exactly a tall team as it is... 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on July 04, 2023, 08:24:38 PM
			

			

				Except Gnonto achieved a higher goal contribution than Bailey last year when you take into account minutes on the pitch, and for a struggling team while having 6 years less experience and development. That’s worth a look.

I don’t see how you compare him to Duran who was signed with no PL experience for similar money, when Gnonto has shown his potential at this level and is a fully capped international with a top ten ranked team.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on July 04, 2023, 08:47:01 PM
			

			

				Gnonto showed enough to me that he could be a real talent. But I see him as an understudy for now so if we did sign him, I'd imagine Bailey would be off. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on July 04, 2023, 08:49:16 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 04, 2023, 08:24:38 PM
Except Gnonto achieved a higher goal contribution than Bailey last year when you take into account minutes on the pitch, and for a struggling team while having 6 years less experience and development. That’s worth a look.

I don’t see how you compare him to Duran who was signed with no PL experience for similar money, when Gnonto has shown his potential at this level and is a fully capped international with a top ten ranked team.

We really need to stop using the bold bit when talking about players. Just because someone has looked decent in a small team at the bottom end of the table it doesn't mean that moving them into a bigger team with different targets will see them automatically make the step up.


Duran is a similar age, had played more senior games and was also a fully capped international when we signed him so it's a perfectly reasonable comparison, they're in a very similar 'place' in their careers.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on July 04, 2023, 08:56:01 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on July 04, 2023, 08:49:16 PM
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 04, 2023, 08:24:38 PM
Except Gnonto achieved a higher goal contribution than Bailey last year when you take into account minutes on the pitch, and for a struggling team while having 6 years less experience and development. That’s worth a look.

I don’t see how you compare him to Duran who was signed with no PL experience for similar money, when Gnonto has shown his potential at this level and is a fully capped international with a top ten ranked team.

We really need to stop using the bold bit when talking about players. Just because someone has looked decent in a small team at the bottom end of the table it doesn't mean that moving them into a bigger team with different targets will see them automatically make the step up.


Duran is a similar age, had played more senior games and was also a fully capped international when we signed him so it's a perfectly reasonable comparison, they're in a very similar 'place' in their careers.

I completely disagree I’m afraid. You can’t compare the two leagues they played in or their international setups at all. That’s just being silly to back up your view really.

Struggling teams struggle because the players struggle. Put him in a more competitive team and he will get more chances and assists if he has the ability. That’s not really a contentious view in football, is it?

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on July 04, 2023, 09:10:02 PM
			

			

				We took Buendia from a struggling team and while he's been very good at times, he's not set the world alight.

I'm not sure about the Duran comparison either really. Gnonto has had a full season over here now and some playing time in Italy (I think). I thinks he's a little less raw and a bit further along than Duran.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on July 04, 2023, 09:11:11 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 04, 2023, 08:56:01 PM
Quote from: paul_e on July 04, 2023, 08:49:16 PM
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 04, 2023, 08:24:38 PM
Except Gnonto achieved a higher goal contribution than Bailey last year when you take into account minutes on the pitch, and for a struggling team while having 6 years less experience and development. That’s worth a look.

I don’t see how you compare him to Duran who was signed with no PL experience for similar money, when Gnonto has shown his potential at this level and is a fully capped international with a top ten ranked team.

We really need to stop using the bold bit when talking about players. Just because someone has looked decent in a small team at the bottom end of the table it doesn't mean that moving them into a bigger team with different targets will see them automatically make the step up.


Duran is a similar age, had played more senior games and was also a fully capped international when we signed him so it's a perfectly reasonable comparison, they're in a very similar 'place' in their careers.

I completely disagree I’m afraid. You can’t compare the two leagues they played in or their international setups at all. That’s just being silly to back up your view really.

Struggling teams struggle because the players struggle. Put him in a more competitive team and he will get more chances and assists if he has the ability. That’s not really a contentious view in football, is it?


Ranking leagues is a difficult thing to do but here - https://www.teamform.com/en/league-ranking/world - that have MLS above the Swiss league and I don't think that's a controversial view.

I can't argue that Italy are ranked higher than Colombia but both are ranked in the top 20 so it's not a massive gap.

The last line is just nonsense, there are examples every single season of players who can't make the step up from being a big fish in a small pond. Worst still Gnonto wasn't even a big fish, he had a purple match of about 2 months at the start of the year and then did very little for the rest of the year. Again I'm not saying he's shit but we're talking about needing a player to replace Bailey/Buendia in the first 11 and I honestly can't believe there are people that think Gnonto is a remotely realistic choice for that.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on July 04, 2023, 09:40:29 PM
			

			

				Duran and Gnonto are not at the same developmental level. Evidenced by the fact that one is being chased by several Premier League teams and the other is most likely being loaned out to a lower level to earn experience.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 04, 2023, 09:52:29 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clampy on July 04, 2023, 09:10:02 PM
I'm not sure about the Duran comparison either really. Gnonto has had a full season over here now and some playing time in Italy (I think).

He's never played in Italy, he left there when he was 16.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on July 04, 2023, 10:05:01 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 04, 2023, 09:40:29 PM
Duran and Gnonto are not at the same developmental level. Evidenced by the fact that one is being chased by several Premier League teams and the other is most likely being loaned out to a lower level to earn experience.

To repeat he's not ready to join a club that is aiming to challenge the top 6 and to win trophies as a regular starter, do you think I'm wrong? If not you're just arguing semantics for the sake of it. I made the comparison because I personally think Duran will be the better player of the 2 but even still I don't think he's someone we'll be relying on next season.

The difference in where they are is where your argument about 'struggling teams' gets completely flipped. Gnonto got lots of starts because Leeds are shit, had no one to keep him out of the their team and thought they were just making up the numbers for a bottom half finish to the season. That's why saying 'just imagine what he could do in a better team' is such a flawed argument, just getting into the team would be a massive challenge and if he put in the sort of stinking performances that he did during Leeds shitty run April he'd not be keeping his place.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 04, 2023, 10:15:18 PM
			

			

				Jesus Christ Paul, calm down, your posts sound so angry. 

It’s a disagreement about a footballer, not the Good Friday Agreement. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on July 04, 2023, 10:16:45 PM
			

			

				The Duran comparison is a bit ridiculous but anyway. In time honoured fashion, as Gnoto played very well at Villa Park last season he is going to be a target. Barnes is a fantastic player but I think we will want to stay out of a bidding war for him. If he wants to stay in the midlands, and if we are genuinely keen, then we should make it happen. Bailey and Buendia both are good players but really have never stepped up consistently.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on July 04, 2023, 10:23:44 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 04, 2023, 10:15:18 PM
Jesus Christ Paul, calm down, your posts sound so angry. 

It’s a disagreement about a footballer, not the Good Friday Agreement. 

I'm perfectly calm, I just find it odd that people think comparing 2 teenagers who joined the premier league a few months apart and are both full internationals is a weird comparison, or that the one of them who was a big part of a team that's just been relegated would be a good use of £20m this summer.

It just feels like a good performance against us and some ridiculous hype in the press have made people think Gnonto is something other than a kid who's still finding his feet.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on July 04, 2023, 10:27:16 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on July 04, 2023, 10:23:44 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 04, 2023, 10:15:18 PM
Jesus Christ Paul, calm down, your posts sound so angry. 

It’s a disagreement about a footballer, not the Good Friday Agreement. 

I'm perfectly calm, I just find it odd that people think comparing 2 teenagers who joined the premier league a few months apart and are both full internationals is a weird comparison, or that the one of them who was a big part of a team that's just been relegated would be a good use of £20m this summer.

It just feels like a good performance against us and some ridiculous hype in the press have made people think Gnonto is something other than a kid who's still finding his feet.

It's just a difference of opinion. That's it. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on July 04, 2023, 10:27:32 PM
			

			

				I agree, Barnes at the right price would be fantastic. It will be interesting who they bring in attack wise and how much we are prepared to spend on it.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on July 04, 2023, 10:29:05 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 04, 2023, 10:15:18 PM
Jesus Christ Paul, calm down, your posts sound so angry. 

It’s a disagreement about a footballer, not the Good Friday Agreement. 

Restore power-sharing (parr-sharr) now (noii)!! 111!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ian. on July 04, 2023, 10:40:45 PM
			

			

				I still like Gnonto, I saw him a fair few times, not just against us and he looked very good and very direct which I like. I’d still want Barnes too, if that isn’t too greedy.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: enigma on July 04, 2023, 10:46:07 PM
			

			

				Gnonto is more than just a half season wonder. He's a full Italy international.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on July 04, 2023, 11:12:42 PM
			

			

				Crikey it really is the dog days of summer when this turns into an argument. Pre season and games can’t start soon enough.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on July 04, 2023, 11:13:40 PM
			

			

				You’re lucky it’s not deja vu!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 04, 2023, 11:15:54 PM
			

			

				Have we signed AOC yet?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on July 04, 2023, 11:52:21 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 04, 2023, 11:15:54 PM
Have we signed AOC yet?

He's not a reverser, there's no point. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 05, 2023, 01:39:18 AM
			

			

				I'm in Colombia at the moment. Nobody here seems to know much about Duran (and it is a football crazy nation). Everybody in Medellin knows Aston Villa due to Juan Pablo Angel who played for teh big local team here (National), and they all rate his son who is playing for National now.

I like Gnotto, and would be pleased if we signed him. Hopefully Duran makes it with us, looks raw but definitely has some good qualities.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: rooboy316 on July 05, 2023, 01:57:08 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 04, 2023, 09:40:29 PM
Duran and Gnonto are not at the same developmental level. Evidenced by the fact that one is being chased by several Premier League teams and the other is most likely being loaned out to a lower level to earn experience.

Agree, and we don’t have to sign Gnonto as a starter either. If we can spend 19mill on Duran, as a long term project, Gnonto seems less raw and less risky/untried, for similar money. 

If we only have the option of spending on one wide player, it’d be wiser to spend it on an established starter, which is what Paul_e keeps coming back to, I think. Presumably we could do both.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on July 05, 2023, 05:39:28 AM
			

			

				Talk of Guendouzi appearing again.

I am intrigued what his hair will be like atop a Villa shirt and I do think we need more fight in midfield, but we can’t keep adding midfielders. Maybe it’s something we’d look at if Dendoncker moves on.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on July 05, 2023, 06:15:57 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: rooboy316 on July 05, 2023, 01:57:08 AM
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 04, 2023, 09:40:29 PM
Duran and Gnonto are not at the same developmental level. Evidenced by the fact that one is being chased by several Premier League teams and the other is most likely being loaned out to a lower level to earn experience.

Agree, and we don’t have to sign Gnonto as a starter either. If we can spend 19mill on Duran, as a long term project, Gnonto seems less raw and less risky/untried, for similar money. 

If we only have the option of spending on one wide player, it’d be wiser to spend it on an established starter, which is what Paul_e keeps coming back to, I think. Presumably we could do both.

Pretty much, but also that the role you suggest is what I think he'd need but that there would be pressure to give him much more because of the hype.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: johnny from donny on July 05, 2023, 07:19:30 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 04, 2023, 11:15:54 PM
Have we signed AOC yet?
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez? Could be useful I suppose, I think she plays on the left.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 05, 2023, 09:08:56 AM
			

			

				I think Gnonto is very raw, and would be a fair way from being a guaranteed starter. I also think he'd be more use than Leon Bailey.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Chris Smith on July 05, 2023, 09:20:45 AM
			

			

				Is there any credible reason for all the Gnonto chat? I get that he’s young but he doesn’t strike me as an Emery type of player. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RichardBatchelor on July 05, 2023, 10:00:39 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on July 05, 2023, 09:08:56 AM
I think Gnonto is very raw, and would be a fair way from being a guaranteed starter. I also think he'd be more use than Leon Bailey.

Not sure. I think Bailey is better at this stage. Our win rate and shape is very good when he plays, despite his obvious foibles.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 05, 2023, 12:05:00 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 05, 2023, 01:39:18 AM
I'm in Colombia at the moment. Nobody here seems to know much about Duran (and it is a football crazy nation). Everybody in Medellin knows Aston Villa due to Juan Pablo Angel who played for teh big local team here (National), and they all rate his son who is playing for National now.

I met a Colombian a couple of weeks back and had a similar experience, he'd never heard of Duran but when I mentioned Angel (I had to say his name about four times as my accent was not doing it) he immediately started talking about how good the son is. I never realised Junior is playing for National. He must be the first Brummie to play for them. I thought he was still a kid.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 05, 2023, 12:06:57 PM
			

			

				His son's called Geronimo, which I'm very here for.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 05, 2023, 12:08:25 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Chris Smith on July 05, 2023, 09:20:45 AM
Is there any credible reason for all the Gnonto chat? I get that he’s young but he doesn’t strike me as an Emery type of player.

I've seen a fair few articles mentioning us, Everton, and Freiburg as being interested in him. None of them particularly reputable sources mind. Mostly an article referencing another article that quotes a tweet that mentions an interest. 
A couple of Leeds related ones seem to think Everton are favourites to sign him. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smithy on July 05, 2023, 12:33:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 05, 2023, 12:06:57 PM
His son's called Geronimo, which I'm very here for.

That's the elder son, who was born as they arrived here in 2001 and who had some early health issues which led to JPA well-publicised difficulties settling here.  Tomas (the footballer) was born in Feb 2003 in Birmingham, which was halfway through probably JPAs best season for us.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on July 05, 2023, 12:39:57 PM
			

			

				As an aside, Juan Pablo's wife used to train at my gym and wore some very fetching cat suits while she trained. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 05, 2023, 12:42:29 PM
			

			

				JPA and his missus were at one of the home games towards the end of the season, and I got to have a quick chat and a photo with him.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on July 05, 2023, 12:49:37 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 05, 2023, 01:39:18 AM
I'm in Colombia at the moment. Nobody here seems to know much about Duran (and it is a football crazy nation). Everybody in Medellin knows Aston Villa due to Juan Pablo Angel who played for teh big local team here (National), and they all rate his son who is playing for National now.

I like Gnotto, and would be pleased if we signed him. Hopefully Duran makes it with us, looks raw but definitely has some good qualities.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom%C3%A1s_%C3%81ngel

Born in Birmingham.

Goal record looks good.

I say sign him up. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Hookeysmith on July 05, 2023, 01:53:23 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on July 05, 2023, 12:42:29 PM
JPA and his missus were at one of the home games towards the end of the season, and I got to have a quick chat and a photo with him.

As did i. Geronimo is now 22 and lives in NYC - i commented to his wife how old it makes us feel and she said "How do you think me and his father feels" :)
Juan Pablo is still a damn fine looking man although he rocked a great suit and shirt which was spoilt in the legs being 3 inches too short and white trainers with no socks

I should of called the fashion Police!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Somniloquism on July 05, 2023, 02:23:47 PM
			

			

				He looked a different class at 8yo



He also had a trial at Arsenal when he was 12. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 05, 2023, 02:51:57 PM
			

			

				We are 100% interested in Brennan Johnson
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dick Edwards on July 05, 2023, 03:00:38 PM
			

			

				Interesting Vinnie.. Johnson is a good player, but I just can't see Villa stumping up the excessive figure Forest would ask.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 05, 2023, 03:10:01 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dick Edwards on July 05, 2023, 03:00:38 PM
Interesting Vinnie.. Johnson is a good player, but I just can't see Villa stumping up the excessive figure Forest would ask.

Hopefully they need to balance their books and squad a bit after last years’ splurge.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on July 05, 2023, 03:12:26 PM
			

			

				Could we part-ex them Naka and Donck to bring the price down? They like a big squad there. 

Also, Vieiria has taken over at Strasbourg, hasn't he? Wonder if he wants Sanson to stay on. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on July 05, 2023, 03:40:56 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on July 05, 2023, 03:12:26 PM
Could we part-ex them Naka and Donck to bring the price down? They like a big squad there. 

Also, Vieiria has taken over at Strasbourg, hasn't he? Wonder if he wants Sanson to stay on.

It appears they and he are keen, I think.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 05, 2023, 03:41:45 PM
			

			

				No reputable links but I see Yassine Bounou being linked with us a couple of places. Says he's turned down, or not interested in, some offers from Saudi. 

Again, seems to be based purely on the idea that a) Emi will leave this summer, and b) anyone Emery has ever met will now be of interest to Villa. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 05, 2023, 03:49:56 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on July 05, 2023, 12:49:37 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 05, 2023, 01:39:18 AM
I'm in Colombia at the moment. Nobody here seems to know much about Duran (and it is a football crazy nation). Everybody in Medellin knows Aston Villa due to Juan Pablo Angel who played for teh big local team here (National), and they all rate his son who is playing for National now.

I like Gnotto, and would be pleased if we signed him. Hopefully Duran makes it with us, looks raw but definitely has some good qualities.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom%C3%A1s_%C3%81ngel

Born in Birmingham.

Goal record looks good.

I say sign him up. 

you would think he would know Duran too 


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 05, 2023, 04:16:34 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on July 05, 2023, 02:51:57 PM
We are 100% interested in Brennan Johnson

He does look quite good i must admit. Like others have said though i wouldn't pay over the odds.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on July 05, 2023, 04:56:31 PM
			

			

				What is over the odds though? "British talent" is bloody expensive. Without clicking on tabloid links, I'm guessing Forest would want £60m+ ?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 05, 2023, 05:11:13 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on July 05, 2023, 04:56:31 PM
What is over the odds though? "British talent" is bloody expensive. Without clicking on tabloid links, I'm guessing Forest would want £60m+ ?

£50 mil apparently. Brentford had £30 mil rejected a while ago. Apparently the player is trying to change agencies at the moment too. No idea if that effects anything. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on July 05, 2023, 05:18:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on July 05, 2023, 04:56:31 PM
What is over the odds though? "British talent" is bloody expensive. Without clicking on tabloid links, I'm guessing Forest would want £60m+ ?
There is a standard over the odds measure, it's called 1KP. (one Kalvin Phillips £60M). Every transaction must be measured to that standard. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: garyellis on July 05, 2023, 06:57:24 PM
			

			

				Well Forest fans are worried about us signing him and £50m seems the consensus
Who is there better than him we could realistically sign?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 05, 2023, 07:02:33 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: garyellis on July 05, 2023, 06:57:24 PM
Well Forest fans are worried about us signing him and £50m seems the consensus
Who is there better than him we could realistically sign?

Probably lots of people, the trick is for our extensive scouting and football leadership team to identify them.

Not saying he's a bad player, not at all, but that's a lot of money for a player with one PL season under his belt.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on July 05, 2023, 07:02:52 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: garyellis on July 05, 2023, 06:57:24 PM
Well Forest fans are worried about us signing him and £50m seems the consensus
Who is there better than him we could realistically sign?

I’d rather have Chukwueze, and apparently Milan just put thru a €35m bid. I have no idea how that works because they’re trying to get Chelsea down to 15m from 25 for Pulisic, and I could’ve sworn Chukwueze had a release clause closer to 80m.


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: CT Villan on July 05, 2023, 07:03:41 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: garyellis on July 05, 2023, 06:57:24 PM
Who is there better than him we could realistically sign?
 
Pulisic is reported to be available for £20m. We should be all over that.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on July 05, 2023, 07:05:42 PM
			

			

				He may have only one PL season under his belt but that was an impressive debut season for a 22-year old, in a side that struggled for much of the season. Plenty of time and potential for him to develop and probably suits Emery's tactics very well in that striker come right winger role. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 05, 2023, 07:07:35 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: villadelph on July 05, 2023, 07:02:52 PM
Quote from: garyellis on July 05, 2023, 06:57:24 PM
Well Forest fans are worried about us signing him and £50m seems the consensus
Who is there better than him we could realistically sign?

I’d rather have Chukwueze, and apparently Milan just put thru a €35m bid. I have no idea how that works because they’re trying to get Chelsea down to 15m from 25 for Pulisic, and I could’ve sworn Chukwueze had a release clause closer to 80m.



If nobody wants to pay his release clause, and he still wants to go, he can force it through, realisticaly.

Release clause isn't an automatic price or valuation, it's a price at which they're forced to sell.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 05, 2023, 07:31:15 PM
			

			

				£50m sounds the optimum they’ll get this summer. More like £35m plus £10m conditional based on what he achieves. 

If that’s their final valuation then they can have the £15m Davis as part exchange.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: N'ZMAV on July 05, 2023, 07:32:02 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: garyellis on July 05, 2023, 06:57:24 PM
Well Forest fans are worried about us signing him and £50m seems the consensus
Who is there better than him we could realistically sign?
 Pulisic is going for £25mil.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 05, 2023, 07:33:09 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: CT Villan on July 05, 2023, 07:03:41 PM
Quote from: garyellis on July 05, 2023, 06:57:24 PM
Who is there better than him we could realistically sign?
 
Pulisic is reported to be available for £20m. We should be all over that.

Pulisic one side, Barnes the other, that would do for me.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 05, 2023, 08:02:13 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 05, 2023, 07:31:15 PM
£50m sounds the optimum they’ll get this summer. More like £35m plus £10m conditional based on what he achieves. 

If that’s their final valuation then they can have the £15m Davis as part exchange.

They need a centre half, we could throw in £25m Chambers if they want.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on July 05, 2023, 09:00:30 PM
			

			

				For me we need 2 wide forwards this summer. Johnson and Barnes would be 2 very decent signings for where we are. Realistically our wide options are nowhere near good enough, or consistent enough. Ramsey is our best winger as he consistently has an output when played there. The rest flatter to deceive too often. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: garyellis on July 05, 2023, 09:05:10 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: N'ZMAV on July 05, 2023, 07:32:02 PM
Quote from: garyellis on July 05, 2023, 06:57:24 PM
Well Forest fans are worried about us signing him and £50m seems the consensus
Who is there better than him we could realistically sign?
 Pulisic is going for £25mil.
Definitely cheaper but would he chip in with sufficient goals?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on July 05, 2023, 09:08:20 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: CT Villan on July 05, 2023, 07:03:41 PM
Quote from: garyellis on July 05, 2023, 06:57:24 PM
Who is there better than him we could realistically sign?
 
Pulisic is reported to be available for £20m. We should be all over that.

He seems that wants to go to AC Milan. I think with a lot of these players with low release clauses they will have the pick of  any number of clubs and are in a great position to determine their own path. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on July 05, 2023, 09:09:06 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ozzjim on July 05, 2023, 09:00:30 PM
For me we need 2 wide forwards this summer. Johnson and Barnes would be 2 very decent signings for where we are. Realistically our wide options are nowhere near good enough, or consistent enough. Ramsey is our best winger as he consistently has an output when played there. The rest flatter to deceive too often. 

Two very decent players who will get better under Unai too.  They chip in with goals and are quick.  They already have Premier League experience.  They might not be the sexy foreigner names but would be very sensible signings if we can get them for a reasonable fee.  If we could do some exchanges with the likes of Chambers, Hause too. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on July 05, 2023, 09:24:13 PM
			

			

				Pulisic is not good enough. Latest American hype job. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Goldenballs on July 05, 2023, 09:31:32 PM
			

			

				I don't rate him either. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 05, 2023, 09:35:48 PM
			

			

				I try to see as little of Chelsea as possible, but whenever I've seen Pulisic he's struck me as an extremely shit player.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 05, 2023, 09:39:15 PM
			

			

				I think Pulisic was very good, but injuries have knackered him  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on July 05, 2023, 09:58:48 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Goldenballs on July 05, 2023, 09:31:32 PM
I don't rate him either.

Me neither. 

He is as strong as faerie dust & hope...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 05, 2023, 10:18:33 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 05, 2023, 07:31:15 PM
£50m sounds the optimum they’ll get this summer. More like £35m plus £10m conditional based on what he achieves. 

If that’s their final valuation then they can have the £15m Davis as part exchange.

They prob value him so high after they paid what £40m for Gibbs White? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: CT Villan on July 05, 2023, 10:46:24 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 05, 2023, 09:35:48 PM
I try to see as little of Chelsea as possible, but whenever I've seen Pulisic he's struck me as an extremely shit player.
 
You didn't watch the recent US v Mexico game then !
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: DrGonzo on July 05, 2023, 11:21:10 PM
			

			

				Dos Torres, por favor! I apologise for not knowing the plural of Torres. I like the look of Ferran, he might not have produced the level he is capable of, but he's a player for sure.  Still think we need back up for R back, winger and striker/forward.  Then replace any future departures.  That's 4 players more, minimum.  6/7 quality signings in one window would be an incredible level of investment, even with Youri on a freebie.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on July 05, 2023, 11:43:50 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: enigma on July 04, 2023, 10:46:07 PM
Gnonto is more than just a half season wonder. He's a full Italy international.
Theo Walcott, Danny Welbeck, Conor Gallagher etc etc are all England international but I wouldn’t touch em with a barge pole.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on July 05, 2023, 11:48:29 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 05, 2023, 09:35:48 PM
I try to see as little of Chelsea as possible, but whenever I've seen Pulisic he's struck me as an extremely shit player.
That’s a very accurate summary of the said article.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on July 06, 2023, 12:05:09 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on July 05, 2023, 07:05:42 PM
He may have only one PL season under his belt but that was an impressive debut season for a 22-year old, in a side that struggled for much of the season. Plenty of time and potential for him to develop and probably suits Emery's tactics very well in that striker come right winger role.

Would come in as back up to Watkins, though probably has the potential to overtake him in the next couple of years.  Can also play wide right if needed.  It would be a lot of money for someone who would probably not come in as first choice, but has a lot of potential.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 06, 2023, 01:19:44 AM
			

			

				I see a few places running with the idea that Barnes might not want to relocate his family, thus making us the favourites. It got me wondering if he's actually got a family, and judging by his instagram holiday snaps, his missus is expecting a baby in the very near future. Arguably easier to move a baby than school age kids, but also understandable if they didn't want to add moving house to an already stressful time. I'd imagine they weren't expecting to be in this position (Leicester relagated) when starting a family. 

I'm sure players have made decisions primarily with family in mind, but at least we're not a terrible option he'd have to settle for. It's not like he's looking at playing for small heath or something 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 06, 2023, 03:17:40 AM
			

			

				Puli sic is a great player, would definitely want us to be bidding if he is available for £20m
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on July 06, 2023, 07:36:23 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: CT Villan on July 05, 2023, 10:46:24 PM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 05, 2023, 09:35:48 PM
I try to see as little of Chelsea as possible, but whenever I've seen Pulisic he's struck me as an extremely shit player.
 
You didn't watch the recent US v Mexico game then !
Yes he is a long way from being a shit player.
He has suffered  with injuries and also playing at the shit show Chelsea became with about 9 players in his preferred position.
A fit Pulisic would be a fantastic player for us but the cost and risk is likely to be prohibitive.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on July 06, 2023, 07:45:09 AM
			

			

				I think wide players tend to split the room opinion wise more than any others, personally I don’t trust them as much as other players on the pitch and find myself berating them for going missing in games constantly.  

I don’t know if I’m an outlier or whether others feel the same.

Do we want wide players who come to life in the final third or do we want wide players who track back dutifully? If it’s the former then Bailey needs to significantly lift his game to stay first choice, if it’s the latter then we need new blood.

Emery will know what he wants and I’m happy to go with that, be it a Barnes / Johnson or wide player from La Liga.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Mister E on July 06, 2023, 08:37:36 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: DrGonzo on July 05, 2023, 11:21:10 PM
Dos Torres, por favor! I apologise for not knowing the plural of Torres. I like the look of Ferran, he might not have produced the level he is capable of, but he's a player for sure.  Still think we need back up for R back, winger and striker/forward.  Then replace any future departures.  That's 4 players more, minimum.  6/7 quality signings in one window would be an incredible level of investment, even with Youri on a freebie.
Back-up keeper seems imperative to me.
Right back cover is clearly necessary, unless Konsa is seen as first-choice.
I think Emery will try and bring in someone who can play both wing and back-up striker, which suggests Johnson and Gnonto as prime suspects.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on July 06, 2023, 08:49:17 AM
			

			

				I like Brennan Johnson and get why Forest are asking that much, but it just seems to me there will be far better value in Europe.  We do need to up our quota of home grown players, but I just don't see us spending £50m on a player with one (very good) season at the top level.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on July 06, 2023, 08:55:44 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on July 06, 2023, 08:49:17 AM
I like Brennan Johnson and get why Forest are asking that much, but it just seems to me there will be far better value in Europe.  We do need to up our quota of home grown players, but I just don't see us spending £50m on a player with one (very good) season at the top level. 

I agree, £35m and we should be interested but much more than that would be excessive.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on July 06, 2023, 10:22:11 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Gareth on July 06, 2023, 07:45:09 AM
I think wide players tend to split the room opinion wise more than any others, personally I don’t trust them as much as other players on the pitch and find myself berating them for going missing in games constantly.  

I don’t know if I’m an outlier or whether others feel the same.

Do we want wide players who come to life in the final third or do we want wide players who track back dutifully? If it’s the former then Bailey needs to significantly lift his game to stay first choice, if it’s the latter then we need new blood.

Emery will know what he wants and I’m happy to go with that, be it a Barnes / Johnson or wide player from La Liga.

Agree with all of that


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Martyn Smith on July 06, 2023, 10:24:08 AM
			

			

				I see Gnoto was mentioned a few posts earlier. Just watching an old MOTD, the one where he's terrorising Wolves up the left flank. Might be worth a punt.

Wonder if Meslier would be content to understudy Martinez... Guessing not but...

No-one else from Leeds I'd want, I don't think


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 06, 2023, 10:24:37 AM
			

			

				I don't understand why Meslier is even remotely highly regarded, he always looks like a bomb waiting to go off to me.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: sid1964 on July 06, 2023, 10:30:11 AM
			

			

				Meslier nick name at Leeds is the POLO, hopefully we don't try to sign him.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 06, 2023, 10:31:18 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 06, 2023, 10:24:37 AM
I don't understand why Meslier is even remotely highly regarded, he always looks like a bomb waiting to go off to me.

I was telling my Leeds mates last season they needed to get a decent keeper. By the time they dropped Meslier it was too late.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on July 06, 2023, 10:52:21 AM
			

			

				When he first got in the team he looked pretty good with lots of reaction saves and brilliant keeping but I think his head has gone now and it usually takes a long time for a keeper to put it back on again.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 06, 2023, 10:56:20 AM
			

			

				Assuming Martinez stays with us for another season or two, who is even an option to bring in as backup? Any of the proven keepers at top level are either first choice already or want to leave their clubs to be first choice. Is there anyone out there who is proven enough to trust, but also young/inexperienced enough to be happy to only get a handful of games this season? 


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 06, 2023, 11:04:50 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 06, 2023, 10:56:20 AM
Assuming Martinez stays with us for another season or two, who is even an option to bring in as backup? Any of the proven keepers at top level are either first choice already or want to leave their clubs to be first choice. Is there anyone out there who is proven enough to trust, but also young/inexperienced enough to be happy to only get a handful of games this season? 



I would pick literally anybody with two functioning arms and legs over Olsen.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 06, 2023, 11:10:22 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 06, 2023, 10:56:20 AM
Assuming Martinez stays with us for another season or two, who is even an option to bring in as backup? Any of the proven keepers at top level are either first choice already or want to leave their clubs to be first choice. Is there anyone out there who is proven enough to trust, but also young/inexperienced enough to be happy to only get a handful of games this season? 



I think we'd be more likely to get someone in their 30s, who'd appreciate a longish contract.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 06, 2023, 11:17:53 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 06, 2023, 11:10:22 AM

I think we'd be more likely to get someone in their 30s, who'd appreciate a longish contract.

Was thinking this seems the best option too. Ideally we'd have Emi as #1, someone with a lot of experience but towards the end of their career as back up, and then some really talented youngster learning from both of them for a season or 2 with the hopes they'll develop into a starter, or at least competent back up. 

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on July 06, 2023, 11:19:00 AM
			

			

				Meslier is a strange one, I always think he's going to be awful as he looks like he's 15 and isn't exactly imposing but he's been decent enough for them. Dropping him for that crap old bastard didn't do them much good. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 06, 2023, 11:20:13 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 06, 2023, 03:17:40 AM
Puli sic is a great player, would definitely want us to be bidding if he is available for £20m

I agree.  He's always looked a threat and can terrorize defenses.  Only downside is his injury record.  If he's fully fit I'd be all for him.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RichardBatchelor on July 06, 2023, 11:21:27 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: sid1964 on July 06, 2023, 10:30:11 AM
Meslier nick name at Leeds is the POLO, hopefully we don't try to sign him.

Ditto, but he’s better than Olsen.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 06, 2023, 11:23:55 AM
			

			

				We should bring back 2 times Champions League winner Scott Carson. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 06, 2023, 11:36:30 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on July 06, 2023, 11:04:50 AM
Quote from: AV84 on July 06, 2023, 10:56:20 AM
Assuming Martinez stays with us for another season or two, who is even an option to bring in as backup? Any of the proven keepers at top level are either first choice already or want to leave their clubs to be first choice. Is there anyone out there who is proven enough to trust, but also young/inexperienced enough to be happy to only get a handful of games this season? 



I would pick literally anybody with two functioning arms and legs over Olsen.

I wouldn't rule out Douglas Bader tbh.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ian. on July 06, 2023, 11:54:09 AM
			

			

				I’d rather we play Rush goalies with Torres in there than Olsen. Our game is based on playing it out from the back and our reserve keeper seem to have  the same footwork as Bosnich but also doesn’t seem to realise he’s allowed outside his six yard box.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 06, 2023, 12:08:51 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 06, 2023, 10:24:37 AM
I don't understand why Meslier is even remotely highly regarded, he always looks like a bomb waiting to go off to me.

Same here, always makes me nervous watching him so I can only imagine how he makes the Leeds fans feel.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ger Regan on July 06, 2023, 12:18:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 06, 2023, 11:36:30 AM
Quote from: Risso on July 06, 2023, 11:04:50 AM
Quote from: AV84 on July 06, 2023, 10:56:20 AM
Assuming Martinez stays with us for another season or two, who is even an option to bring in as backup? Any of the proven keepers at top level are either first choice already or want to leave their clubs to be first choice. Is there anyone out there who is proven enough to trust, but also young/inexperienced enough to be happy to only get a handful of games this season? 



I would pick literally anybody with two functioning arms and legs over Olsen.

I wouldn't rule out Douglas Bader tbh.
Or the drummer from Def Leppard.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: DennisHodgetts on July 06, 2023, 12:46:17 PM
			

			

				Begovic is out of contract and would be better as a 2 in my view.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on July 06, 2023, 02:38:14 PM
			

			

				Begovic? He's been semi-retired for years, popping up on 5Live etc. 

Maybe we should bring Deano's illegitimate son, Tom Heaton back.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on July 06, 2023, 02:40:17 PM
			

			

				37 days to go.

Still very quiet imo.

I'm not saying we won't do much I'm just saying it's quiet.


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 06, 2023, 02:41:42 PM
			

			

				All the reports I see keep saying Emery wants to have the bulk of signings in before preseason starts, which makes sense, but..... we're running short on time for that to happen.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 06, 2023, 02:43:33 PM
			

			

				Man City 3rd keeper Zack Steffen impressed me last season with his loan at Boro. Not sure if he'd take being Number 2 keeper at Villa Park. Paper talk of him going to Leicester and Man City want £10m for him.

EDIT: He's injured and not back until autumn.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 06, 2023, 02:47:46 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 06, 2023, 02:41:42 PM
All the reports I see keep saying Emery wants to have the bulk of signings in before preseason starts, which makes sense, but..... we're running short on time for that to happen.  

Probably the case for all manager, at all clubs though, right?

They'd *like* to have all of their first-choice targets through the door as quickly as possible - it doesn't mean that it's realistic for that to happen.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 06, 2023, 02:56:52 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on July 06, 2023, 02:47:46 PM
Quote from: AV84 on July 06, 2023, 02:41:42 PM
All the reports I see keep saying Emery wants to have the bulk of signings in before preseason starts, which makes sense, but..... we're running short on time for that to happen.  

Probably the case for all manager, at all clubs though, right?

They'd *like* to have all of their first-choice targets through the door as quickly as possible - it doesn't mean that it's realistic for that to happen.

Yeah, very true. I think if we were planning a massive overhaul of the squad I'd be anxious about the time frame for signings. But I think we'll probably start the new season with the guts of the same starting 11 as we finished last with. So plenty of time to bring people in, and give them time to get up to speed. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: UK Redsox on July 06, 2023, 03:00:06 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on July 06, 2023, 02:38:14 PM
Begovic? He's been semi-retired for years, popping up on 5Live etc. 

Maybe we should bring Deano's illegitimate son, Tom Heaton back.

Would be good to sign the current first choice keeper at Man Utd :)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Martyn Smith on July 06, 2023, 03:04:50 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ger Regan on July 06, 2023, 12:18:18 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 06, 2023, 11:36:30 AM
Quote from: Risso on July 06, 2023, 11:04:50 AM
Quote from: AV84 on July 06, 2023, 10:56:20 AM
Assuming Martinez stays with us for another season or two, who is even an option to bring in as backup? Any of the proven keepers at top level are either first choice already or want to leave their clubs to be first choice. Is there anyone out there who is proven enough to trust, but also young/inexperienced enough to be happy to only get a handful of games this season? 



I would pick literally anybody with two functioning arms and legs over Olsen.

I wouldn't rule out Douglas Bader tbh.
Or the drummer from Def Leppard.

Or The Black Knight (point made - Ed.) 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Martyn Smith on July 06, 2023, 03:26:09 PM
			

			

				I agree that Meslier doesn't command his area as well as someone 6'7" probably should, but he clearly has quick reflexes. But he's I guess unlikely to be happy as a second choice at a ECL club
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on July 06, 2023, 03:28:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Martyn Smith on July 06, 2023, 03:26:09 PM
I agree that Meslier doesn't command his area as well as someone 6'7" probably should, but he clearly has quick reflexes. But he's I guess unlikely to be happy as a second choice at a ECL club

Meslier is a decent shot stopper but he's a very poor keeper and he got completely exposed in the last month or 2 before he got dropped.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on July 06, 2023, 03:29:27 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 06, 2023, 10:24:37 AM
I don't understand why Meslier is even remotely highly regarded, he always looks like a bomb waiting to go off to me.

Me neither, any keeper in the top leagues is capable of the wonder saves but it’s the other bits that set the best ones apart, kicking, ability to pass the ball, command of area…when you hear the likes of Cutler dissect a keepers strengths and weaknesses it’s pretty stark…Meslier might develop into a top keeper but the shocking standard of centre halves they’ve fielded week in week out leaves him massively exposed….they seem to hero worship Liam Cooper and he isn’t even good enough for the league he is now to play in
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Hookeysmith on July 06, 2023, 03:29:39 PM
			

			

				Every Villa fan i know thinks we need a back up keeper yet we have not had a single link anywhere as far as i can see? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on July 06, 2023, 03:33:11 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Hookeysmith on July 06, 2023, 03:29:39 PM
Every Villa fan i know thinks we need a back up keeper yet we have not had a single link anywhere as far as i can see?
 back up keeper is hardly headline news, it’ll just happen & at a guess it’ll be a Spanish keeper who the goalie coach knows or has worked with.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on July 06, 2023, 03:33:50 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Hookeysmith on July 06, 2023, 03:29:39 PM
Every Villa fan i know thinks we need a back up keeper yet we have not had a single link anywhere as far as i can see? 

I don’t understand it either
Olsen is the worst goalkeeper I’ve ever seen at Villa I can’t believe he’s still in the frame
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV82EC on July 06, 2023, 04:01:11 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: john e on July 06, 2023, 03:33:50 PM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on July 06, 2023, 03:29:39 PM
Every Villa fan i know thinks we need a back up keeper yet we have not had a single link anywhere as far as i can see? 

I don’t understand it either
Olsen is the worst goalkeeper I’ve ever seen at Villa I can’t believe he’s still in the frame

Mark Bunn says Hi.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 06, 2023, 04:09:45 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Hookeysmith on July 06, 2023, 03:29:39 PM
Every Villa fan i know thinks we need a back up keeper yet we have not had a single link anywhere as far as i can see?

I've seen us linked to a keeper but it implied a replacement for Martinez rather than a back up. So not really what we're looking for.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: TheMalandro on July 06, 2023, 04:54:31 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV82EC on July 06, 2023, 04:01:11 PM
Quote from: john e on July 06, 2023, 03:33:50 PM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on July 06, 2023, 03:29:39 PM
Every Villa fan i know thinks we need a back up keeper yet we have not had a single link anywhere as far as i can see? 

I don’t understand it either
Olsen is the worst goalkeeper I’ve ever seen at Villa I can’t believe he’s still in the frame

Mark Bunn says Hi.

Have you seen Olsen play?!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV82EC on July 06, 2023, 05:37:50 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: TheMalandro on July 06, 2023, 04:54:31 PM
Quote from: AV82EC on July 06, 2023, 04:01:11 PM
Quote from: john e on July 06, 2023, 03:33:50 PM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on July 06, 2023, 03:29:39 PM
Every Villa fan i know thinks we need a back up keeper yet we have not had a single link anywhere as far as i can see? 

I don’t understand it either
Olsen is the worst goalkeeper I’ve ever seen at Villa I can’t believe he’s still in the frame

Mark Bunn says Hi.

Have you seen Olsen play?!

Yes but it’s all just different levels of utter shite.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on July 06, 2023, 07:17:10 PM
			

			

				Manyoo up their bid for Onana, good news for us.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on July 06, 2023, 08:06:16 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 06, 2023, 04:09:45 PM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on July 06, 2023, 03:29:39 PM
Every Villa fan i know thinks we need a back up keeper yet we have not had a single link anywhere as far as i can see?

I've seen us linked to a keeper but it implied a replacement for Martinez rather than a back up. So not really what we're looking for.

Yeah there's been some links to Sevilla's keeper but he wouldn't come to play back-up. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 06, 2023, 08:21:41 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on July 06, 2023, 08:06:16 PM
Yeah there's been some links to Sevilla's keeper but he wouldn't come to play back-up.

And I'm yet to see anything that actually suggests Martinez might leave. All the "links" with other clubs have been pure speculation based on the idea that he's too good for us, and then they've just linked him with any of the "big" teams that need a keeper. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 06, 2023, 08:37:32 PM
			

			

				Lille and Strasbourg apparently interested in Sanson. Lille looking for loan, Strasbourg to make their loan permanent. 
Doesn't feel like he really ever got a proper run with us, but if we can make back a bit of what we spent on him then I hope they start a bidding war.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RamboandBruno on July 06, 2023, 08:54:36 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: TheMalandro on July 06, 2023, 04:54:31 PM
Quote from: AV82EC on July 06, 2023, 04:01:11 PM
Quote from: john e on July 06, 2023, 03:33:50 PM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on July 06, 2023, 03:29:39 PM
Every Villa fan i know thinks we need a back up keeper yet we have not had a single link anywhere as far as i can see? 

I don’t understand it either
Olsen is the worst goalkeeper I’ve ever seen at Villa I can’t believe he’s still in the frame

Mark Bunn says Hi.

Have you seen Olsen play?!

Olsen is dreadful and gave the single worst goalkeeping display I’ve seen live at man u away in the league cup last year. Kalinic in his few games runs him close as the shittest Villa keeper. He couldn’t jump, get down on the ground quickly or catch the ball, he was essentially a very tall bloke who other people decided to ask to stand in between two metal posts. 
Nervous Nyland a close third, though he was literally a fooking world beater in the Leicester semi final home leg. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on July 06, 2023, 08:59:43 PM
			

			

				Second half away at Brentford wasn't good. You could actually see the defence's lack of confidence in him. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on July 06, 2023, 10:03:50 PM
			

			

				Callum Chambers off to another PL team?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: FatSam on July 06, 2023, 10:05:31 PM
			

			

				Ortega at Man City, who they picked up on a free transfer from Arminia Bielefeld last year, is the kind of signing I would like 
to see us make. They identified someone whose style of play suits theirs, is happy to be a No.2 (with lots of cup games obviously), and good value. That’s where a good recruitment structure obviously comes into play. 


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on July 06, 2023, 10:12:02 PM
			

			

				If we go into next season playing Olsen in any of our games FA cup, League cup or European conference cup 

We are fucked 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 06, 2023, 10:15:37 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PeterWithe on July 06, 2023, 10:03:50 PM
Callum Chambers off to another PL team?

Didn't we try to get rid of him in January?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RamboandBruno on July 06, 2023, 10:20:46 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: john e on July 06, 2023, 10:12:02 PM
If we go into next season playing Olsen in any of our games FA cup, League cup or European conference cup 

We are fucked

Yes. Everything seems so well run now, it just seems impossible this will be allowed to happen. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 06, 2023, 10:24:43 PM
			

			

				What about Fabianski as a back up for Emi? I think he's out of contract at West Ham this summer. At 38 he's probably not going to be anyone's first choice at top level. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 06, 2023, 10:35:08 PM
			

			

				Dendonker wanted by teams from 4 different countries apparently, and more than one team in each place. 

I wonder how soon we'll actually start moving people on? There's at least 3 that have serious interest in them from teams. Will we hang on to everyone until we've made more signings, just in case? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 06, 2023, 11:54:54 PM
			

			

				I reckon there’s a backlog of keeper moves that will be triggered by whatever Man U do.  They’ve got the world’s best paid GK about to leave for a free (or resign) and the next big thing threatening to leave if he’s not guaranteed first football.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on July 06, 2023, 11:59:12 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: john e on July 06, 2023, 10:12:02 PM
If we go into next season playing Olsen in any of our games FA cup, League cup or European conference cup 

We are fucked

Yep, he played a pretty big part in both our cup exits last season.  He must be replaced.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 07, 2023, 12:35:24 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: john e on July 06, 2023, 10:12:02 PM
If we go into next season playing Olsen in any of our games FA cup, League cup or European conference cup 

We are fucked 

Stop it. We're going to win the FA Cup on our 150th anniversary. I just wish my father was here to see it again.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on July 07, 2023, 01:40:59 AM
			

			

				I bet Marco Asensio is delighted he joined PSG and not us with all the madness happening around Mbappe. PSG now threatening Mbappe that if he decides to see out his contract and go for free they might have to sell members of the current team to offset the potential loss of €200m. Could have joined Unai’s revolution Marco. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Des Little on July 07, 2023, 06:23:22 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: john e on July 06, 2023, 10:12:02 PM
If we go into next season playing Olsen in any of our games FA cup, League cup or European conference cup 

We are fucked 

This doesn’t bear thinking about.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on July 07, 2023, 06:45:46 AM
			

			

				I refuse to believe we won't sign a new number 2 keeper
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on July 07, 2023, 06:49:12 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ozzjim on July 07, 2023, 06:45:46 AM
I refuse to believe we won't sign a new number 2 keeper

I look forward to quoting this idiot on deadline day as we leave ourself short of a decent back up keeper and no right back cover for our injury prone first choice. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on July 07, 2023, 07:11:03 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 07, 2023, 01:40:59 AM
I bet Marco Asensio is delighted he joined PSG and not us with all the madness happening around Mbappe. PSG now threatening Mbappe that if he decides to see out his contract and go for free they might have to sell members of the current team to offset the potential loss of €200m. Could have joined Unai’s revolution Marco. 

I suspect he’s probably not that worried.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: oldtimernow on July 07, 2023, 08:06:17 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on July 07, 2023, 12:35:24 AM
Quote from: john e on July 06, 2023, 10:12:02 PM
If we go into next season playing Olsen in any of our games FA cup, League cup or European conference cup 

We are fucked 

Stop it. We're going to win the FA Cup on our 150th anniversary. I just wish my father was here to see it again.

Me too, my Dad introduced me to the Villa on the Sunday when they brought the cup back to Villa Park at the age of 5 .

He also told me “You are known by the company you keep” circa 1960

Thanks Dad, HEITS

Thanks Dad
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on July 07, 2023, 09:01:19 AM
			

			

				My Dad was also there in 57 and would insist that Wood had set himself for the charge that inevitably led to his downfall.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on July 07, 2023, 09:33:46 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 07, 2023, 07:11:03 AM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 07, 2023, 01:40:59 AM
I bet Marco Asensio is delighted he joined PSG and not us with all the madness happening around Mbappe. PSG now threatening Mbappe that if he decides to see out his contract and go for free they might have to sell members of the current team to offset the potential loss of €200m. Could have joined Unai’s revolution Marco. 

I suspect he’s probably not that worried.

No in the grand scheme of things probably not. But there’s a good chance if Mbappe sticks it out PSG are hugely compromised in the French league let alone in any plans they had for the CL. They only won the French title last season by 1 point over Lens despite having Messi, Neymar and Mbappe. No guarantees they win it this season. I’m clearly looking at things with immense bias but at his age having won so much with Real Madrid doing it in the PL would have been a great step for his career.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Martyn Smith on July 07, 2023, 09:54:09 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 06, 2023, 10:35:08 PM
Dendonker wanted by teams from 4 different countries apparently, and more than one team in each place. 

I wonder how soon we'll actually start moving people on? There's at least 3 that have serious interest in them from teams. Will we hang on to everyone until we've made more signings, just in case? 

I was thinking this is terms of complete lack of outgoing traffic. Last season we sometimes only had 8 on the bench, two of whom were keepers. UE perhaps feels that all he wants to do is add right now... 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: frank on July 07, 2023, 10:00:17 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ChicagoLion on July 07, 2023, 09:01:19 AM
My Dad was also there in 57 and would insist that Harry Greg had set himself for the charge that inevitably led to his downfall.
It wasn't Harry Gregg in goal, it was Ray Wood
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on July 07, 2023, 10:02:12 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: frank on July 07, 2023, 10:00:17 AM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on July 07, 2023, 09:01:19 AM
My Dad was also there in 57 and would insist that Ray Wood had set himself for the charge that inevitably led to his downfall.
It wasn't Harry Gregg in goal, it was Ray Wood
Sorry , I used to know his daughter but she did not use her maiden name.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Martyn Smith on July 07, 2023, 10:06:08 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: rooboy316 on July 05, 2023, 01:57:08 AM
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 04, 2023, 09:40:29 PM
Duran and Gnonto are not at the same developmental level. Evidenced by the fact that one is being chased by several Premier League teams and the other is most likely being loaned out to a lower level to earn experience.

Agree, and we don’t have to sign Gnonto as a starter either. If we can spend 19mill on Duran, as a long term project, Gnonto seems less raw and less risky/untried, for similar money. 

If we only have the option of spending on one wide player, it’d be wiser to spend it on an established starter, which is what Paul_e keeps coming back to, I think. Presumably we could do both.

Surprised to learn that he's only 19. I thought he was 3 or 4 years older than that 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: sid1964 on July 07, 2023, 10:31:50 AM
			

			

				Listening to a Leeds podcast with Phil Hay (Athletic journalist) it appears as though a lot of Leeds players had it written into their contracts, that if the club was relegated, they could leave on a loan deal to another club, quite a few of their current players are leaving on loans.

Maybe we could get Gnonto on a similar loan deal with option to buy if he does well.

Also Tyler Adams, who we are interested in, is supposedly good at winning the ball, but is not a midfield player who is very good at passing (sounds similar to Marvelous)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: frank on July 07, 2023, 10:50:59 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: frank on July 07, 2023, 10:00:17 AM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on July 07, 2023, 09:01:19 AM
My Dad was also there in 57 and would insist that Harry Greg had set himself for the charge that inevitably led to his downfall.
It wasn't Harry Gregg in goal, it was Ray Wood
I think your Dad was right, though. The keeper did seem to brace himself, thinking that he was strong enough to withstand McParland's charge.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on July 07, 2023, 11:25:40 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: sid1964 on July 07, 2023, 10:31:50 AM
Listening to a Leeds podcast with Phil Hay (Athletic journalist) it appears as though a lot of Leeds players had it written into their contracts, that if the club was relegated, they could leave on a loan deal to another club, quite a few of their current players are leaving on loans.

Maybe we could get Gnonto on a similar loan deal with option to buy if he does well.

Also Tyler Adams, who we are interested in, is supposedly good at winning the ball, but is not a midfield player who is very good at passing (sounds similar to Marvelous)

Gnonto isn't thought to be one of the players with those clauses. 

The 49'ers group want to keep Adams but he might not want to have a year in the Championship. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 07, 2023, 12:15:38 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on July 07, 2023, 11:25:40 AM
Quote from: sid1964 on July 07, 2023, 10:31:50 AM
Listening to a Leeds podcast with Phil Hay (Athletic journalist) it appears as though a lot of Leeds players had it written into their contracts, that if the club was relegated, they could leave on a loan deal to another club, quite a few of their current players are leaving on loans.

Maybe we could get Gnonto on a similar loan deal with option to buy if he does well.

Also Tyler Adams, who we are interested in, is supposedly good at winning the ball, but is not a midfield player who is very good at passing (sounds similar to Marvelous)

Gnonto isn't thought to be one of the players with those clauses. 

The 49'ers group want to keep Adams but he might not want to have a year in the Championship. 

Leeds bought Gnonto last summer for £3m and now want £40m.. good luck with that. He's an interesting, intelligent player, potentially brilliant but he's a massive risk. My guess is he'll go back to Italy.

Adams is just a destroyer. Does exactly what's on the tin, not a lot more, keeps it simple, the kind of player you want away from home against tough opposition.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 07, 2023, 01:26:29 PM
			

			

				None of these seem to have any concrete sources behind them, but after trawling through every click baity article imaginable the last few days, the players we are consistently linked with at the moment are: 

- Barnes
- Gnonto
- Johnson
- Bono 
- Weston McKennie (seems more like the player/agent than us, to be honest) 

Bono isn't happening unless Emi leaves. I'd take any of the other 3, but I think I'd be happiest with Barnes. Obviously you'd want more to come too but Torres, Tielemans, and Barnes would be a pretty good window, I think. 

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ROBBO on July 07, 2023, 01:36:25 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: frank on July 07, 2023, 10:50:59 AM
Quote from: frank on July 07, 2023, 10:00:17 AM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on July 07, 2023, 09:01:19 AM
My Dad was also there in 57 and would insist that Harry Greg had set himself for the charge that inevitably led to his downfall.
It wasn't Harry Gregg in goal, it was Ray Wood

Watched the game on TV, just as now it was all about unlucky Man Utd and Villa wouldn't, shouldn't have won, as a 13 year old it really took the shine off the win.
I think your Dad was right, though. The keeper did seem to brace himself, thinking that he was strong enough to withstand McParland's charge.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on July 07, 2023, 02:02:47 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ROBBO on July 07, 2023, 01:36:25 PM
Quote from: frank on July 07, 2023, 10:50:59 AM
Quote from: frank on July 07, 2023, 10:00:17 AM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on July 07, 2023, 09:01:19 AM
My Dad was also there in 57 and would insist that Harry Greg had set himself for the charge that inevitably led to his downfall.
It wasn't Harry Gregg in goal, it was Ray Wood

Watched the game on TV, just as now it was all about unlucky Man Utd and Villa wouldn't, shouldn't have won, as a 13 year old it really took the shine off the win.
I think your Dad was right, though. The keeper did seem to brace himself, thinking that he was strong enough to withstand McParland's charge.

As a bit of a trick question party trick
Wood started in Nets, who finished ?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 07, 2023, 02:09:00 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 07, 2023, 01:26:29 PM
Bono isn't happening unless Emi leaves.

If it happens, we won't see CDBWF on here anytime soon.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dr.chekov on July 07, 2023, 02:09:36 PM
			

			

				Jackie Blanchflower?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on July 07, 2023, 02:10:10 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: dr.chekov on July 07, 2023, 02:09:36 PM
Jackie Blanchflower?

Nope
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 07, 2023, 02:15:29 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: john e on July 07, 2023, 02:10:10 PM
Quote from: dr.chekov on July 07, 2023, 02:09:36 PM
Jackie Blanchflower?

Nope

Billy The Fish?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: trinityoap on July 07, 2023, 02:17:46 PM
			

			

				Woods went back into goal near the end didn't he.?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on July 07, 2023, 02:23:36 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: trinityoap on July 07, 2023, 02:17:46 PM
Woods went back into goal near the end didn't he.?

Yep
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 07, 2023, 02:39:30 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 07, 2023, 02:15:29 PM
Billy The Fish?

Doubt it, we wouldn't have won if he'd been in goal for them.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on July 07, 2023, 04:06:33 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on July 07, 2023, 02:09:00 PM
Quote from: AV84 on July 07, 2023, 01:26:29 PM
Bono isn't happening unless Emi leaves.

If it happens, we won't see CDBWF on here anytime soon.

Maybe his continued absence is a pre-emption. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Mister E on July 07, 2023, 06:00:24 PM
			

			

				Zakaria is being rumoured to be a Spam target, with a loan-to-buy figure of £15m after a year's loan.
Hojberg is also available; only 27 yrs old (even though he looks as if he had a very hard paper round).
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on July 07, 2023, 06:14:47 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Mister E on July 07, 2023, 06:00:24 PM
Zakaria is being rumoured to be a Spam target, with a loan-to-buy figure of £15m after a year's loan.
Hojberg is also available; only 27 yrs old (even though he looks as if he had a very hard paper round).

I would love either at Villa... 

Especially Zakaria.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 07, 2023, 06:41:36 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pablo_picasso on July 07, 2023, 06:14:47 PM
Quote from: Mister E on July 07, 2023, 06:00:24 PM
Zakaria is being rumoured to be a Spam target, with a loan-to-buy figure of £15m after a year's loan.
Hojberg is also available; only 27 yrs old (even though he looks as if he had a very hard paper round).

I would love either at Villa... 

Especially Zakaria.

I don't know enough about Zakaria but I definitely don't like Hojberg.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on July 07, 2023, 06:50:43 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on July 07, 2023, 06:41:36 PM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on July 07, 2023, 06:14:47 PM
Quote from: Mister E on July 07, 2023, 06:00:24 PM
Zakaria is being rumoured to be a Spam target, with a loan-to-buy figure of £15m after a year's loan.
Hojberg is also available; only 27 yrs old (even though he looks as if he had a very hard paper round).

I would love either at Villa... 

Especially Zakaria.

I don't know enough about Zakaria but I definitely don't like Hojberg.

Zakaria is tall, fast & good on the ball. Likes a tackle & loves to run with the ball. 

Once he finds a home, he could be excellent...

Hjolberg is slow, but is a very good passer of the ball... 

Maybe he lacks that elite level mobility, so I can understand your point...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on July 07, 2023, 07:32:20 PM
			

			

				I don’t really see what either offer that we don’t already have.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on July 07, 2023, 08:10:24 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 07, 2023, 07:32:20 PM
I don’t really see what either offer that we don’t already have.
Two for each position required though.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 07, 2023, 09:08:13 PM
			

			

				Barnes off to Newcastle. Shame as personally wanted him here 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SoccerHQ on July 07, 2023, 09:31:59 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Mister E on July 07, 2023, 06:00:24 PM
Zakaria is being rumoured to be a Spam target, with a loan-to-buy figure of £15m after a year's loan.
Hojberg is also available; only 27 yrs old (even though he looks as if he had a very hard paper round).

Hojberg to Atletico Madrid is all but done I think.


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SoccerHQ on July 07, 2023, 09:34:43 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on July 07, 2023, 09:08:13 PM
Barnes off to Newcastle. Shame as personally wanted him here 

That's a strange one.

Newcastle are stacked in the wide positions and were even playing Isak wide left in final month.

Probably means they're selling Saint-Maximn.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Lsvilla on July 07, 2023, 09:35:24 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: SoccerHQ on July 07, 2023, 09:31:59 PM
Quote from: Mister E on July 07, 2023, 06:00:24 PM
Zakaria is being rumoured to be a Spam target, with a loan-to-buy figure of £15m after a year's loan.
Hojberg is also available; only 27 yrs old (even though he looks as if he had a very hard paper round).

Hojberg to Atletico Madrid is all but done I think.


Good.  He's shit. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 07, 2023, 09:39:26 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on July 07, 2023, 09:08:13 PM
Barnes off to Newcastle. Shame as personally wanted him here 

That's really annoying. I hope we get a move on getting some attacking options in, as we're light as anything up front at the moment.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 07, 2023, 09:50:00 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on July 07, 2023, 09:08:13 PM
Barnes off to Newcastle. Shame as personally wanted him here

Same. Of all the names linked he was the one I'd have taken. I kept seeing it said Newcastle were favourites out of 4, but then most of the reports also said they were the only ones that had actually made contact with Leicester. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on July 07, 2023, 09:54:00 PM
			

			

				I suspect Barnes will do better there than he would have done with us. Something about him says 'Newcastle' more than it does 'Villa'.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on July 07, 2023, 11:56:36 PM
			

			

				What about his girl and their pending babby? He doesn't want them to toddler-talk Jawdie, does he?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on July 08, 2023, 12:03:42 AM
			

			

				Apparently Chiesa agent in Uk next week to talk about a move. No idea which club or clubs. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on July 08, 2023, 12:07:25 AM
			

			

				I know it’s still really early and the two signings we’ve made are brilliant but I think we all love our attacking players. I want one or two “fucking hell he’s brilliant” forward/winger options. Newcastle will be significantly strengthened by Tonali and Barnes. We need to keep up with them and the clubs we expect to be vying for a top 4 spot. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 08, 2023, 12:18:37 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 08, 2023, 12:03:42 AM
Apparently Chiesa agent in Uk next week to talk about a move. No idea which club or clubs.

Again, not sure how in the know the guy at the Birmingham Mail is but in his last Q&A he implied that we wanted to sign an attacking player but had already been turned down by Chiesa, amongst others. 


"Villa are super ambitious and will continue to try and land Emery's top targets. So far they haven't had too much luck with their forward targets, with the likes of Asensio, Williams and Chiesa all unwilling to join at this stage. Adding quality to those forward positions is a priority for Emery after landing Tielemans and Torres. Barnes is under consideration, but West Ham and Newcastle have both positioned themselves at the front of the queue. However, Villa is a very attractive option for Barnes for numerous reasons. Villa have a strong interest in Brennan Johnson, who could raise a huge sum for Forest this summer, with his value being in excess of £40million. Whether Villa will push the boat out for him or not, we'll see, but there's certainly interest. I'd expect at least four to join Tielemans and Torres through the door, with Emery keen to add a striker, winger, midfielder, right-back and potentially a goalkeeper to his squad in the coming weeks.
On Goncalves, he'd command a big fee this summer too, and it's unclear where he appears on Villa's list. He would add creativity and versatility in forward areas, but I'm not sure he'd fit the bill of exactly what Emery wants from a partner to Watkins. Other targets appear to be more suited to the system Villa used last season." 

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 08, 2023, 01:04:54 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 08, 2023, 12:07:25 AM
I know it’s still really early and the two signings we’ve made are brilliant but I think we all love our attacking players. I want one or two “fucking hell he’s brilliant” forward/winger options. Newcastle will be significantly strengthened by Tonali and Barnes. We need to keep up with them and the clubs we expect to be vying for a top 4 spot. 

What Newcastle have done well is adding significant starting 11 players/fees 
They’ve bought circa 6 players above our record fee in a short space of time. 

Comes a time where we need to shit or get off the pot with targets. Eg if Emery wants a specific then we need to pay the fee and secure it. Feel we’re still very much in the haggling phase 






			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on July 08, 2023, 01:54:04 AM
			

			

				Sounds like from that Brum Mail commentary that we're happy to pay fees but the players we want are aiming higher. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on July 08, 2023, 02:42:23 AM
			

			

				Get a feeling that some of our targets are waiting to see if any CL teams come in for them, and as it starts to become more evident that they're not coming, we'll become more of an attractive prospect. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on July 08, 2023, 05:24:06 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on July 08, 2023, 01:04:54 AM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 08, 2023, 12:07:25 AM
I know it’s still really early and the two signings we’ve made are brilliant but I think we all love our attacking players. I want one or two “fucking hell he’s brilliant” forward/winger options. Newcastle will be significantly strengthened by Tonali and Barnes. We need to keep up with them and the clubs we expect to be vying for a top 4 spot. 

What Newcastle have done well is adding significant starting 11 players/fees 
They’ve bought circa 6 players above our record fee in a short space of time. 

Comes a time where we need to shit or get off the pot with targets. Eg if Emery wants a specific then we need to pay the fee and secure it. Feel we’re still very much in the haggling phase 


I think there is a pecking order and I would imagine CL sides coming in for players we want are going to have the upper hand. There will be exceptions of course and we have to trust Emery/Monchi and team to find those players. And they’ve made a career out of finding lesser known players and turning them into stars so I’ll look forward to some of those. But it would be good to get some proper immediate 1st XI talent to truly push us on. The current group did superbly but you have to think that it has a limit to how far that level of performances will stretch. I would hope that by mid August we have broken our record at least twice if our aims truly are what we’ve been told they are. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 08, 2023, 08:45:14 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 08, 2023, 12:07:25 AM
I know it’s still really early and the two signings we’ve made are brilliant but I think we all love our attacking players. I want one or two “fucking hell he’s brilliant” forward/winger options. Newcastle will be significantly strengthened by Tonali and Barnes. We need to keep up with them and the clubs we expect to be vying for a top 4 spot. 

There's also the fact that we've got one senior striker. One. We need to be getting people in for that apparently all important "full pre-season".
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ads on July 08, 2023, 09:12:11 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on July 08, 2023, 08:45:14 AM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 08, 2023, 12:07:25 AM
I know it’s still really early and the two signings we’ve made are brilliant but I think we all love our attacking players. I want one or two “fucking hell he’s brilliant” forward/winger options. Newcastle will be significantly strengthened by Tonali and Barnes. We need to keep up with them and the clubs we expect to be vying for a top 4 spot. 

There's also the fact that we've got one senior striker. One. We need to be getting people in for that apparently all important "full pre-season".

It doesn't look like it will be as important under Emery. Unless it of course is still as valuable as perceived, and if it is, the rate of improvement should have us winning the league before the end of April.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 08, 2023, 09:19:00 AM
			

			

				According to all the reports about Barnes to Newcastle they're paying 35mil. That seems very reasonable and unless there's other players that deals are already 96% done for, I'm not sure why we haven't actually made a proper move for him. The Birmingham Mail guy said he was definitely on the list of players we were interested in, but by all accounts Newcastle are the only ones that bid. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on July 08, 2023, 09:31:08 AM
			

			

				I sense a bit of panic creeping in on here. I'm sure things are being worked on and we'll have a few more players in. The window closes on September 1st so there's plenty of time. In the meantime, just all chill and enjoy the sunshine. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on July 08, 2023, 09:32:31 AM
			

			

				You could imagine us talking to the agent, him telling us what Newcastles wage offer is and us thinking we’ll look elsewhere without bidding
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 08, 2023, 09:36:18 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clampy on July 08, 2023, 09:31:08 AM
I sense a bit of panic creeping in on here. I'm sure things are being worked on and we'll have a few more players in. The window closes on September 1st so there's plenty of time. In the meantime, just all chill and enjoy the sunshine.

I wouldn't say it's panic, more frustration. It appears like we've been very ambitious in our targets, which is good, but clearly we're still not an attractive proposition for players above a certain standard. I guess if there's any worry, for me anyway, it would be that we end up missing out on players like Barnes because we're wasting time trying to convince others to sign. 

There's still a lot of talk about us wanting Brennan Johnson, so maybe that's why we've seemingly not moved for Barnes. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 08, 2023, 09:41:05 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: PeterWithe on July 08, 2023, 09:32:31 AM
You could imagine us talking to the agent, him telling us what Newcastles wage offer is and us thinking we’ll look elsewhere without bidding

Presumably if we want to catch up to Newcastle (and others) then we can't be scared of offering wages in line with what they would be?

Otherwise why would a player that would improve us choose us over Newcastle at the moment?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 08, 2023, 09:43:34 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: PeterWithe on July 08, 2023, 09:32:31 AM
You could imagine us talking to the agent, him telling us what Newcastles wage offer is and us thinking we’ll look elsewhere without bidding

I assumed this had been officially announced when someone posted it on here like it was a done deal, but apparently its not yet set in stone. Could be a case of his agent putting the price out there to encourage a bid from someone else. There was supposed to be 5 clubs interested, but for one reason or another it seems Newcastle are the only ones that actually made an offer. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on July 08, 2023, 09:44:39 AM
			

			

				I don't think there is any need for frustration either. It seems we have two in and i'm sure there will be more, possibly ones who haven't been linked. It's early days.

As for Barnes, maybe we just aren't interested. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on July 08, 2023, 09:45:24 AM
			

			

				I don’t think we, or indeed anyone else, will be matching what Newcastle are offering players. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 08, 2023, 09:48:44 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: PeterWithe on July 08, 2023, 09:45:24 AM
I don’t think we, or indeed anyone else, will be matching what Newcastle are offering players.

You're probably correct in that but from what all the reports are saying its not a case of us not matching them, they're the only ones that made an official approach for him. So it's not a case of Barnes chosing them over us, regardless of what was offered. We didn't move for him. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on July 08, 2023, 09:52:31 AM
			

			

				Possibly, or the agent jungle drums could have indicated Newcastle have £300k a week on the table and we’ve thought we’d save the price of the fax. Also possible. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on July 08, 2023, 09:55:09 AM
			

			

				Or he has an immediate chance of Champions League football. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 08, 2023, 10:01:26 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: PeterWithe on July 08, 2023, 09:52:31 AM
Possibly, or the agent jungle drums could have indicated Newcastle have £300k a week on the table and we’ve thought we’d save the price of the fax. Also possible.

Yep. Spurs were apparently interested but decided to prioritise someone else. West Ham were interested but have to wait for the Rice deal to go through before they can spend big. We were definitely interested but for whatever reason we haven't made a move. So lots of reasons he's probably ending up at Newcastle. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 08, 2023, 10:19:56 AM
			

			

				IMO Barnes plays on the wrong side of the pitch based on emery’s current tactics, so I’m not that fussed if he goes to Newcastle.

If speculation can be believed we are aiming high for the Bailey upgrade. Asensio and Williams are both right sided forwards.  I imagine that is the standard we are hoping for with Brennan Johnson pencilled in if they don’t materialise. 

Either way, I reckon this player will be one of the last signed as the top targets will be waiting for champions league offers.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on July 08, 2023, 10:26:38 AM
			

			

				Newcastle have said a few times in recent months that they have to be careful with FFP. I don't think they need to throw more money at Barnes than us. They're in the Champions League and we're not. Suck it up and get someone else, with a smaller nose.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 08, 2023, 10:26:48 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 08, 2023, 10:19:56 AM
IMO Barnes plays on the wrong side of the pitch based on emery’s current tactics, so I’m not that fussed if he goes to Newcastle.

If speculation can be believed we are aiming high for the Bailey upgrade. Asensio and Williams are both right sided forwards.  I imagine that is the standard we are hoping for with Brennan Johnson pencilled in if they don’t materialise. 

Either way, I reckon this player will be one of the last signed as the top targets will be waiting for champions league offers.

I'd agree with that.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 08, 2023, 10:40:11 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on July 08, 2023, 10:26:38 AM
Newcastle have said a few times in recent months that they have to be careful with FFP. I don't think they need to throw more money at Barnes than us. They're in the Champions League and we're not. Suck it up and get someone else, with a smaller nose.

Again, just to be clear, the only reason I'm questioning the Barnes thing, is out of curiosity as to why we haven't actually made a move? By all accounts he would have been interested, and it would have suited his family better, but we haven't even approached Leicester about him. 

So you've got a good quality player, that was on our list of potential targets, who was open to the idea of playing for us, but we've not even tried to sign him. Meanwhile, we're chasing bigger names who are not interested in us at all. 

It's not really about Barnes himself, although I would have liked to have him here. I'm just wondering what is actually going on behind the scenes that we're not even making attempts to sign someone we were interested in signing? 

We've been linked with Gnonto, Adams, and Johnson, all midfielders too, and all with less competition interested, if you believe reports. So it could be something as simple as us prioritising someone else, which is apparently what Spurs did regarding dropping their interest in Barnes too. 

I'm not criticising our transfer policy or the business done so far this window, just to be clear. I'm just curious as to what the thought process is. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SamTheMouse on July 08, 2023, 10:41:43 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 08, 2023, 10:19:56 AM
If speculation can be believed we are aiming high for the Bailey upgrade. Asensio and Williams are both right sided forwards.  I imagine that is the standard we are hoping for with Brennan Johnson pencilled in if they don’t materialise. 

This is the most important signing of the summer.

As the infinitely wise Tori Amos said, it's gotta be big.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on July 08, 2023, 10:46:40 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 08, 2023, 10:40:11 AM
Quote from: eamonn on July 08, 2023, 10:26:38 AM
Newcastle have said a few times in recent months that they have to be careful with FFP. I don't think they need to throw more money at Barnes than us. They're in the Champions League and we're not. Suck it up and get someone else, with a smaller nose.

Again, just to be clear, the only reason I'm questioning the Barnes thing, is out of curiosity as to why we haven't actually made a move? By all accounts he would have been interested, and it would have suited his family better, but we haven't even approached Leicester about him. 

So you've got a good quality player, that was on our list of potential targets, who was open to the idea of playing for us, but we've not even tried to sign him. Meanwhile, we're chasing bigger names who are not interested in us at all. 

It's not really about Barnes himself, although I would have liked to have him here. I'm just wondering what is actually going on behind the scenes that we're not even making attempts to sign someone we were interested in signing? 

We've been linked with Gnonto, Adams, and Johnson, all midfielders too, and all with less competition interested, if you believe reports. So it could be something as simple as us prioritising someone else, which is apparently what Spurs did regarding dropping their interest in Barnes too. 

I'm not criticising our transfer policy or the business done so far this window, just to be clear. I'm just curious as to what the thought process is. 

None of us know what is going on really. Links are just that, links. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 08, 2023, 10:55:30 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clampy on July 08, 2023, 10:46:40 AM

None of us know what is going on really. Links are just that, links.

Yep. Probably best to avoid all gossip and just come back at the end of the window and see who we added. At the moment it looks like we're chasing players who aren't interested, ignoring ones who are, and that's probably not what's actually happening at all. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SoccerHQ on July 08, 2023, 11:45:54 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 08, 2023, 10:19:56 AM
IMO Barnes plays on the wrong side of the pitch based on emery’s current tactics, so I’m not that fussed if he goes to Newcastle.

If speculation can be believed we are aiming high for the Bailey upgrade. Asensio and Williams are both right sided forwards.  I imagine that is the standard we are hoping for with Brennan Johnson pencilled in if they don’t materialise. 

Either way, I reckon this player will be one of the last signed as the top targets will be waiting for champions league offers.

Asesnsio has already signed for PSG hasn't he?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ian. on July 08, 2023, 11:50:16 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 08, 2023, 10:19:56 AM
IMO Barnes plays on the wrong side of the pitch based on emery’s current tactics, so I’m not that fussed if he goes to Newcastle.

If speculation can be believed we are aiming high for the Bailey upgrade. Asensio and Williams are both right sided forwards.  I imagine that is the standard we are hoping for with Brennan Johnson pencilled in if they don’t materialise. 

I wonder if this is true. Isn’t Johnson both a right sided and central playing forward, so cover, maybe upgrade eventually for Ollie and Bailey?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on July 08, 2023, 12:04:37 PM
			

			

				Would love to Chukwueze  walking through Brum airport anytime in the next couple of weeks. AC have bid £20M for him. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 08, 2023, 12:24:31 PM
			

			

				Barnes won’t improve Newcastle much anyway. They already have saint maximin and Gordon in that position so minimal net gain.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RamboandBruno on July 08, 2023, 12:30:06 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: SoccerHQ on July 08, 2023, 11:45:54 AM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 08, 2023, 10:19:56 AM
IMO Barnes plays on the wrong side of the pitch based on emery’s current tactics, so I’m not that fussed if he goes to Newcastle.

If speculation can be believed we are aiming high for the Bailey upgrade. Asensio and Williams are both right sided forwards.  I imagine that is the standard we are hoping for with Brennan Johnson pencilled in if they don’t materialise. 

Either way, I reckon this player will be one of the last signed as the top targets will be waiting for champions league offers.

Asesnsio has already signed for PSG hasn't he?

Yep and Nico Williams is staying at Bilbao. 
Vinnie says we’re going for Johnson, so intend to believe that. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 08, 2023, 12:35:22 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 08, 2023, 12:24:31 PM
Barnes won’t improve Newcastle much anyway. They already have saint maximin and Gordon in that position so minimal net gain.

I think Barnes in means Saint Maximin out, or that's the common opinion on it anyway. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 08, 2023, 12:39:24 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 08, 2023, 12:24:31 PM
Barnes won’t improve Newcastle much anyway. They already have saint maximin and Gordon in that position so minimal net gain.

That’s how good clubs improve though, strength in depth and no noticeable drop off in quality if they have an injury.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ads on July 08, 2023, 12:54:44 PM
			

			

				Like us with the middle of the park and middle of defence then.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on July 08, 2023, 01:17:02 PM
			

			

				Nowadays, the last bit of the deal is the actual offer to the club
Everything else has been sorted out to make sure it will all go through if a bid is accepted

That’s why clubs and supporters sometimes mistakenly say we were never in for him, because we never bid, 
I would think that for every player a club brings in there’s probably 10/15 other players that they have sounded out and therefore been linked with
Doesn’t mean to say the links were spurious just means the player or the club never agreed terms or wasn’t interested in joining



			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 08, 2023, 01:41:00 PM
			

			

				I agree Risso, especially if Maximin is moved out for a decent fee to keep FFP regular. 

A slight twist though, I think the priority should generally be to strengthen the weakest position. So for us, a second forward and a reserve keeper. Pau and Tielemans add depth but are a bit of a luxury when there’s obvious weaknesses. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 08, 2023, 01:55:00 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 08, 2023, 01:41:00 PM
A slight twist though, I think the priority should generally be to strengthen the weakest position. So for us, a second forward and a reserve keeper. Pau and Tielemans add depth but are a bit of a luxury when there’s obvious weaknesses.

Generally speaking, I agree, but Tielemans on a free seems like really good business, and something that had to be done immediately. And then Torres feels like he was Emery's #1 priority, maybe even seeds were sown in January, so making that happen was probably easy, relatively speaking. 

I would be happy to see the next names in be in those positions though. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 08, 2023, 01:59:34 PM
			

			

				Both are great signings just not priorities. The fact we are making such signings just demonstrates how ambitious we are as I’m confident they’ll also address the weaknesses too.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 08, 2023, 02:02:45 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 08, 2023, 01:41:00 PM
I agree Risso, especially if Maximin is moved out for a decent fee to keep FFP regular. 

A slight twist though, I think the priority should generally be to strengthen the weakest position. So for us, a second forward and a reserve keeper. Pau and Tielemans add depth but are a bit of a luxury when there’s obvious weaknesses.

I agree that at this point those 2 positions you mention are the main ones. A real game changer at the peak of his powers as the second striker. It seems odd to be saying it about a reserve keeper but if Martinez isn’t available it’s almost like giving the opposition a goal head start !
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SamTheMouse on July 08, 2023, 02:10:28 PM
			

			

				When was the last time we had a squad with this much quality in every position?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 08, 2023, 02:19:08 PM
			

			

				Brentford going back in for Johnson with a £35m plus add on deal. They believe a deal is there to be done. So be interesting to see if we firm anything up as he is 100% on our list (not sure on priority order)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 08, 2023, 02:38:55 PM
			

			

				I just find it a bit odd that after we did virtually nothing in January and were told that we were "keeping our powder dry" for the summer, that we're not a bit further forward, especially up front where we're at our weakest. Players will need time to adjust to Emery's methods and standards, and so leaving it until the end of the transfer window isn't a great idea.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 08, 2023, 02:43:12 PM
			

			

				I'd be happy enough starting the season with the squad we have, even with the injuries, if it's just a case that a few people came in late and need a few weeks to catch up. It's September onwards, assuming we've won the playoffs, and get a cup run, that we'll need all hands on deck.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on July 08, 2023, 02:45:48 PM
			

			

				I guess there have been a lot of off field changes which could have impacted.   

I guess it also depends how much they think Aaron Ramsey and Cam are useful.  That’s not been loads of movement to be honest from anyone.  I assume we’re just working down the list
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SoccerHQ on July 08, 2023, 02:46:05 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: RamboandBruno on July 08, 2023, 12:30:06 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on July 08, 2023, 11:45:54 AM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 08, 2023, 10:19:56 AM
IMO Barnes plays on the wrong side of the pitch based on emery’s current tactics, so I’m not that fussed if he goes to Newcastle.

If speculation can be believed we are aiming high for the Bailey upgrade. Asensio and Williams are both right sided forwards.  I imagine that is the standard we are hoping for with Brennan Johnson pencilled in if they don’t materialise. 

Either way, I reckon this player will be one of the last signed as the top targets will be waiting for champions league offers.

Asesnsio has already signed for PSG hasn't he?

Yep and Nico Williams is staying at Bilbao. 
Vinnie says we’re going for Johnson, so intend to believe that. 

Brennan Johnson won't be proven enough for some but at barely 22 he's already looked good for Forest in premier league and done o.k for Wales.

8 league goals last season so you'd like to think he could develop further and be 10-15 league goals in near future.

Only issue is the fee given what Forest spend so they certainly won't be accepting bids lower than 30m.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 08, 2023, 02:47:12 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on July 08, 2023, 02:38:55 PM
I just find it a bit odd that after we did virtually nothing in January and were told that we were "keeping our powder dry" for the summer, that we're not a bit further forward, especially up front where we're at our weakest. Players will need time to adjust to Emery's methods and standards, and so leaving it until the end of the transfer window isn't a great idea.

I’m convinced we are aiming really high here and those sort of players will be wanting champions league clubs. We could probably sign Johnson now but we are choosing not too because “Felix” might become available. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 08, 2023, 02:57:29 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 08, 2023, 02:43:12 PM
I'd be happy enough starting the season with the squad we have, even with the injuries, if it's just a case that a few people came in late and need a few weeks to catch up. It's September onwards, assuming we've won the playoffs, and get a cup run, that we'll need all hands on deck.

With respect, that would be absolutely mental.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: four fornicholl on July 08, 2023, 03:01:32 PM
			

			

				So De Gea has announced he’s leaving, how frenzied will the Emi links get now?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on July 08, 2023, 03:02:50 PM
			

			

				Yeah I thought that
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Tom_Mc9? on July 08, 2023, 03:02:51 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on July 08, 2023, 02:38:55 PM
I just find it a bit odd that after we did virtually nothing in January and were told that we were "keeping our powder dry" for the summer, that we're not a bit further forward, especially up front where we're at our weakest. Players will need time to adjust to Emery's methods and standards, and so leaving it until the end of the transfer window isn't a great idea.

To be fair, Moreno didn’t take long at all to slot into the system. I agree it’d be nice to have more through the door though.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 08, 2023, 03:04:51 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on July 08, 2023, 02:57:29 PM
Quote from: AV84 on July 08, 2023, 02:43:12 PM
I'd be happy enough starting the season with the squad we have, even with the injuries, if it's just a case that a few people came in late and need a few weeks to catch up. It's September onwards, assuming we've won the playoffs, and get a cup run, that we'll need all hands on deck.

With respect, that would be absolutely mental.

I don't see how. Obviously I'm still saying sign new players. I just don't think it's that big a deal if some of them come in towards the end of preseason and aren't starters for the first 3 or 4 games. 

Newcastle, Everton, and Burnely are our fixtures in August, and then the playoff ties. I think we could manage them as we are, providing we know there's players there to step in come Septemper and take the pressure off. 

Ideally we'd sign all we need to sign this week and they're all there for the entire preseason, but signing them at any point is what's important. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john2710 on July 08, 2023, 03:04:58 PM
			

			

				Barnes might well have been on the list but I suspect he was well down it. 

If we want Johnson & the price is reasonable we'll get him. But I'm not sure he's a priority either. Emery & Monchi are working on getting things done. Unlike previous managers, I have absolute confidence they'll do whatever's needed. 

As players return to training things will start moving. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 08, 2023, 03:05:47 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: four fornicholl on July 08, 2023, 03:01:32 PM
So De Gea has announced he’s leaving, how frenzied will the Emi links get now?

They are signing Onana so won’t be United. Argie Poch and Chelsea worry me - but reports seem to suggest he likes Kepa so ….
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SoccerHQ on July 08, 2023, 03:13:12 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: four fornicholl on July 08, 2023, 03:01:32 PM
So De Gea has announced he’s leaving, how frenzied will the Emi links get now?

They won't. Man. United are signing Onana from Inter Milan.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: N'ZMAV on July 08, 2023, 03:52:30 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on July 08, 2023, 12:39:24 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 08, 2023, 12:24:31 PM
Barnes won’t improve Newcastle much anyway. They already have saint maximin and Gordon in that position so minimal net gain.

That’s how good clubs improve though, strength in depth and no noticeable drop off in quality if they have an injury.
 out of those three I'd rather have  Barnes 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: FatSam on July 08, 2023, 04:00:14 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: SamTheMouse on July 08, 2023, 02:10:28 PM
When was the last time we had a squad with this much quality in every position?
I would say that it is the first time we have ever had it. Football as a squad game has emerged gradually, and you wouldn’t say we had such strength in depth even in 1981. MON’s teams didn’t have it either. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: N'ZMAV on July 08, 2023, 04:01:08 PM
			

			

				Or bench was often filled with the likes of Salifou, Routledge, Harewood, Shorey etc in the MON era 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 08, 2023, 04:09:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: four fornicholl on July 08, 2023, 03:01:32 PM
So De Gea has announced he’s leaving, how frenzied will the Emi links get now?

He’s been out of contract for a few weeks, reports said Man U had asked him not to sign for anyone until they were sorted the cheeky scamps.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 08, 2023, 04:16:40 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 08, 2023, 04:09:18 PM
Quote from: four fornicholl on July 08, 2023, 03:01:32 PM
So De Gea has announced he’s leaving, how frenzied will the Emi links get now?

He’s been out of contract for a few weeks, reports said Man U had asked him not to sign for anyone until they were sorted the cheeky scamps.

If you believe the stories they offered him a new contract a while ago and when he signed it they changed their minds and tried to renegotiate it. It obviously didn't work out and he ended up out of contract, and then they asked him not to sign for anyone else in case they couldn't get a new keeper in. I understand their reasoning behind it all but seems a very shoddy way to treat such a long serving player. 

They also wouldn't let Henderson go to Forrest permanently, but that one might also be allowed go through now too.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on July 08, 2023, 04:34:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on July 08, 2023, 12:39:24 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 08, 2023, 12:24:31 PM
Barnes won’t improve Newcastle much anyway. They already have saint maximin and Gordon in that position so minimal net gain.

That’s how good clubs improve though, strength in depth and no noticeable drop off in quality if they have an injury.

This. 

Two or three players for a position means "next man up"... 

And we need to stop thinking purely about the players interest & their game time. 

Yes we want to keep players happy, but we need to keep the club happy first & foremost, so we need to be a little selfish in the clubs favour...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on July 08, 2023, 04:37:30 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 08, 2023, 04:09:18 PM
Quote from: four fornicholl on July 08, 2023, 03:01:32 PM
So De Gea has announced he’s leaving, how frenzied will the Emi links get now?

He’s been out of contract for a few weeks, reports said Man U had asked him not to sign for anyone until they were sorted the cheeky scamps.

8 days. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Mister E on July 08, 2023, 04:51:00 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on July 08, 2023, 02:19:08 PM
Brentford going back in for Johnson with a £35m plus add on deal. They believe a deal is there to be done. So be interesting to see if we firm anything up as he is 100% on our list (not sure on priority order)
£40m plus add-ons would be a good deal for us. I'm sure we can give the player what would be required. He offers flexibility up front and is still learning; what better place to do this than at the Emery Academy of football.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Mister E on July 08, 2023, 04:51:58 PM
			

			

				Sorry if that ^ sounds a bit ' Footy'.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on July 08, 2023, 05:05:02 PM
			

			

				I don’t think Emi is going anywhere. At least not this season. He wanted to play in Europe with us and he helped us achieve that. He’s loyal and he knows how much the club means to him. That’s not to say he won’t consider his options if we don’t continue to progress. I think he’d be happy to stay if become regulars in Europe. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on July 08, 2023, 05:08:35 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on July 08, 2023, 02:38:55 PM
I just find it a bit odd that after we did virtually nothing in January and were told that we were "keeping our powder dry" for the summer, that we're not a bit further forward, especially up front where we're at our weakest. Players will need time to adjust to Emery's methods and standards, and so leaving it until the end of the transfer window isn't a great idea.

I don’t think that’s what we are doing. And he showed that in a few weeks he completely transformed us from strong relegation candidates to CL form. He will bring in players that immediately fit his style of play rather than need full pre seasons to acclimatize. 

My guess is Emery wants to have a deep squad. He’s suggested that and he wants to compete on all fronts next season. We’ve got two very good players in but with players returning next week, including some talented younger players he wants to look at everything before deciding who stays and who we need to bring in. By the end of the window I’ll be stunned if we don’t have a much stronger squad than the one that ended the season. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 08, 2023, 05:10:23 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 08, 2023, 05:05:02 PM
I don’t think Emi is going anywhere. At least not this season. He wanted to play in Europe with us and he helped us achieve that. He’s loyal and he knows how much the club means to him. That’s not to say he won’t consider his options if we don’t continue to progress. I think he’d be happy to stay if become regulars in Europe.

And the only "links" there's been about him have been people assuming he's too good for us and that Utd or Chelsea would be in for him because they needed a new keeper. I haven't seen anything that's come from him or us about it. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 08, 2023, 05:15:21 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 08, 2023, 05:08:35 PM
Quote from: Risso on July 08, 2023, 02:38:55 PM
I just find it a bit odd that after we did virtually nothing in January and were told that we were "keeping our powder dry" for the summer, that we're not a bit further forward, especially up front where we're at our weakest. Players will need time to adjust to Emery's methods and standards, and so leaving it until the end of the transfer window isn't a great idea.

I don’t think that’s what we are doing. And he showed that in a few weeks he completely transformed us from strong relegation candidates to CL form. He will bring in players that immediately fit his style of play rather than need full pre seasons to acclimatize. 

My guess is Emery wants to have a deep squad. He’s suggested that and he wants to compete on all fronts next season. We’ve got two very good players in but with players returning next week, including some talented younger players he wants to look at everything before deciding who stays and who we need to bring in. By the end of the window I’ll be stunned if we don’t have a much stronger squad than the one that ended the season. 

I'd be amazed if he needed to look at them back in training before he decides who stays and who goes - that would be crazy, and I'm not sure how we'd expect to manage a transfer window like that.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on July 08, 2023, 05:21:05 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 08, 2023, 05:15:21 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 08, 2023, 05:08:35 PM
Quote from: Risso on July 08, 2023, 02:38:55 PM
I just find it a bit odd that after we did virtually nothing in January and were told that we were "keeping our powder dry" for the summer, that we're not a bit further forward, especially up front where we're at our weakest. Players will need time to adjust to Emery's methods and standards, and so leaving it until the end of the transfer window isn't a great idea.

I don’t think that’s what we are doing. And he showed that in a few weeks he completely transformed us from strong relegation candidates to CL form. He will bring in players that immediately fit his style of play rather than need full pre seasons to acclimatize. 

My guess is Emery wants to have a deep squad. He’s suggested that and he wants to compete on all fronts next season. We’ve got two very good players in but with players returning next week, including some talented younger players he wants to look at everything before deciding who stays and who we need to bring in. By the end of the window I’ll be stunned if we don’t have a much stronger squad than the one that ended the season. 

I'd be amazed if he needed to look at them back in training before he decides who stays and who goes - that would be crazy, and I'm not sure how we'd expect to manage a transfer window like that.

My comment was in reference to players returning to the fold. Youngsters mainly and how they fit in with the rest. I’m sure the likes of Sanson or Wesley aren’t required and are just waiting on moves. And he’s just put together what he wants his recruitment staff to be along with Monchi. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 08, 2023, 05:27:19 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 08, 2023, 05:21:05 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 08, 2023, 05:15:21 PM
My comment was in reference to players returning to the fold. Youngsters mainly and how they fit in with the rest. I’m sure the likes of Sanson or Wesley aren’t required and are just waiting on moves. And he’s just put together what he wants his recruitment staff to be along with Monchi.

There was a list in the Birmingham Mail q&a of players that are being allowed to leave, younger ones on loan, senior ones sold. Sanson and Wesley were both on it. Interestingly Dendonker wasn't on it, but maybe he's the kind of player that we'd want a replacement for before we sell him. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Matt C on July 08, 2023, 05:40:46 PM
			

			

				Link to Openda at Lens on Twitter, sources don’t   look the most reputable but when has anything on social media ever turned out not to be accurate? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 08, 2023, 05:48:57 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Matt C on July 08, 2023, 05:40:46 PM
Link to Openda at Lens on Twitter, sources don’t   look the most reputable but when has anything on social media ever turned out not to be accurate?

He'd be really good, but I thought he was heading to Leipzig.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on July 08, 2023, 05:53:19 PM
			

			

				Openda would work well for us, could play with Watkins or in place of him.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on July 08, 2023, 05:58:41 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 08, 2023, 05:27:19 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 08, 2023, 05:21:05 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 08, 2023, 05:15:21 PM
My comment was in reference to players returning to the fold. Youngsters mainly and how they fit in with the rest. I’m sure the likes of Sanson or Wesley aren’t required and are just waiting on moves. And he’s just put together what he wants his recruitment staff to be along with Monchi.

There was a list in the Birmingham Mail q&a of players that are being allowed to leave, younger ones on loan, senior ones sold. Sanson and Wesley were both on it. Interestingly Dendonker wasn't on it, but maybe he's the kind of player that we'd want a replacement for before we sell him.

A Birmingham Mail q&a has no more kudos than this transfer thread…have no doubt Wesley, Sanson, Dendonker, Davis, Traore, Hause are all available for transfer on our terms
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: jwarry on July 08, 2023, 05:59:22 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Matt C on July 08, 2023, 05:40:46 PM
Link to Openda at Lens on Twitter, sources don’t   look the most reputable but when has anything on social media ever turned out not to be accurate? 

Looks a bit like a Julian Joachim but scores goals 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 08, 2023, 06:02:20 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Gareth on July 08, 2023, 05:58:41 PM

A Birmingham Mail q&a has no more kudos than this transfer thread…have no doubt Wesley, Sanson, Dendonker, Davis, Traore, Hause are all available for transfer on our terms

Except for Donk, they were all on the list, so.... 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on July 08, 2023, 06:12:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 08, 2023, 06:02:20 PM
Quote from: Gareth on July 08, 2023, 05:58:41 PM
A Birmingham Mail q&a has no more kudos than this transfer thread…have no doubt Wesley, Sanson, Dendonker, Davis, Traore, Hause are all available for transfer on our terms

Except for Donk, they were all on the list, so....
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Did we pay 12-13m for him? For me his biggest asset to us is that he’s steady most of the time and he brings a bit of height to a short squad
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 08, 2023, 06:17:16 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Gareth on July 08, 2023, 06:12:17 PM
Did we pay 12-13m for him? For me his biggest asset to us is that he’s steady most of the time and he brings a bit of height to a short squad

I'm sure he's going to be sold, and apparently he has teams in 4 or 5 different countries interested in him. I just think if there's a list of players to just get rid of, and a list of players to hang on to for a bit, just in case, he'd be on the latter. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on July 08, 2023, 06:31:16 PM
			

			

				Me too, he’s not exciting but he’s not Olsen either 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 08, 2023, 06:51:08 PM
			

			

				Said this before probably, but Dendoncker has a weird look about him, like a socially awkward, 17 year old lanky Belgian exchange student (with that bumfluff moustache) who has just gone through a mental growth spurt and was 5'1 this time last year. Parents of host family think he's lovely, but he actually smokes 60 unfiltered fags a day and has been introducing their kids to glue.

I am probably overthinking this.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 08, 2023, 06:54:13 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 08, 2023, 06:51:08 PM
Said this before probably, but Dendoncker has a weird look about him, like a socially awkward, 17 year old lanky Belgian exchange student (with that bumfluff moustache) who has just gone through a mental growth spurt and was 5'1 this time last year. Parents of host family think he's lovely, but he actually smokes 60 unfiltered fags a day and has been introducing their kids to glue.

I am probably overthinking this.

He reminds me of one of the Beckham kids.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: TheMalandro on July 08, 2023, 06:55:10 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 08, 2023, 06:51:08 PM
Said this before probably, but Dendoncker has a weird look about him, like a socially awkward, 17 year old lanky Belgian exchange student (with that bumfluff moustache) who has just gone through a mental growth spurt and was 5'1 this time last year. Parents of host family think he's lovely, but he actually smokes 60 unfiltered fags a day and has been introducing their kids to glue.

I am probably overthinking this.

Ha!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on July 08, 2023, 07:30:11 PM
			

			

				Sporting Lisbon still refusing to sell Pedro Gonçalves for anything less than his 80m Euro's release clause. Reports in Portugal say we've walked away. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 08, 2023, 07:54:01 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 08, 2023, 06:54:13 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 08, 2023, 06:51:08 PM
Said this before probably, but Dendoncker has a weird look about him, like a socially awkward, 17 year old lanky Belgian exchange student (with that bumfluff moustache) who has just gone through a mental growth spurt and was 5'1 this time last year. Parents of host family think he's lovely, but he actually smokes 60 unfiltered fags a day and has been introducing their kids to glue.

I am probably overthinking this.

He reminds me of one of the Beckham kids.

Listens to the 12" of Holiday Rap, wears fluorescent jogging bottoms and sandals with white socks.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on July 08, 2023, 10:54:39 PM
			

			

				I see that young Mallorca winger we were linked with, Lee Kang-In has signed for PSG. Ugarte, Assensio and Kang-In all linked with us. Why can't they fuck Newcastle's transfer window up, instead of ours!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 08, 2023, 11:48:42 PM
			

			

				PSG does seem like a very happy place to be at the moment, can't really blame anyone for choosing them over us. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeonW on July 09, 2023, 07:38:25 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 08, 2023, 11:48:42 PM
PSG does seem like a very happy place to be at the moment, can't really blame anyone for choosing them over us.

Fisherman alert.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on July 09, 2023, 06:35:04 PM
			

			

				Moussa Diaby being linked for 50 million euros according the Daily Heil.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 09, 2023, 06:42:25 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on July 09, 2023, 06:35:04 PM
Moussa Diaby being linked for 50 million euros according the Daily Heil. 

One of those who would be great, but would surely have wealthier suitors. 

Edit - although following Sancho and Bailey I guess any brilliant, speedy winger from the Bundesliga carries a bit of a health warning these days. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on July 09, 2023, 06:49:32 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on July 09, 2023, 06:42:25 PM
Quote from: Steve67 on July 09, 2023, 06:35:04 PM
Moussa Diaby being linked for 50 million euros according the Daily Heil. 

One of those who would be great, but would surely have wealthier suitors. 

I saw that too Dave, inevitably, Newcastle and Man Yew linked but I would have thought they are both stacked for wingers if Barnes goes to Newcastle.  I suspect you're right though.  Alex Baena has been linked with us too, somewhere or other too. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SoccerHQ on July 09, 2023, 07:06:27 PM
			

			

				Diaby is like Torres I think, unattainable probably 12 months ago but with him still at his present club and us having european football to offer potential signings I don't think it's hugely unrealistic.

He's also ideal for what we seek, plays out wide but think he can play central aswell. 15 goals in Bundesliga and europe last season (I appreciate I was saying all this about Bailey two summers ago!).
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 09, 2023, 07:12:25 PM
			

			

				A mate who was watching his nephew ref an under age team at Bodymoor today was talking to a member of staff. Big money European striker / wide player arriving by Wednesday.

Hot off the press, you heard it here first, don’t get more ITK than that!!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smithy on July 09, 2023, 07:17:20 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 09, 2023, 07:12:25 PM
A mate who was watching his nephew ref an under age team at Bodymoor today was talking to a member of staff. Big money European striker / wide player arriving by Wednesday.

Hot off the press, you heard it here first, don’t get more ITK than that!!

Sounds great, but is someone at the club really going to divulge something like that to a guy who is only in the building to watch his nephew referee an under-age game?  I hope he's right though!!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 09, 2023, 07:23:52 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smithy on July 09, 2023, 07:17:20 PM
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 09, 2023, 07:12:25 PM
A mate who was watching his nephew ref an under age team at Bodymoor today was talking to a member of staff. Big money European striker / wide player arriving by Wednesday.

Hot off the press, you heard it here first, don’t get more ITK than that!!

Sounds great, but is someone at the club really going to divulge something like that to a guy who is only in the building to watch his nephew referee an under-age game?  I hope he's right though!!

You’re very likely to be 99% correct, always a small chance though!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 09, 2023, 08:07:28 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 09, 2023, 07:23:52 PM
Quote from: Smithy on July 09, 2023, 07:17:20 PM
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 09, 2023, 07:12:25 PM
A mate who was watching his nephew ref an under age team at Bodymoor today was talking to a member of staff. Big money European striker / wide player arriving by Wednesday.

Hot off the press, you heard it here first, don’t get more ITK than that!!

Sounds great, but is someone at the club really going to divulge something like that to a guy who is only in the building to watch his nephew referee an under-age game?  I hope he's right though!!

You’re very likely to be 99% correct, always a small chance though!

I emailed it to "Football Insider" and they said it was the most credible piece of transfer gossip they've had in years. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Des Little on July 09, 2023, 09:33:56 PM
			

			

				Does anyone anyone out there not know someone who works at Bodymoor, with a penchant for tittle tattle? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 09, 2023, 11:04:37 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Des Little on July 09, 2023, 09:33:56 PM
Does anyone anyone out there not know someone who works at Bodymoor, with a penchant for tittle tattle? 

Me. I completely rely on this place for any news. That and idly looking at click bait transfer nonsense.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: TonyD on July 09, 2023, 11:49:40 PM
			

			

				Heskey seen at the Belfry. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 10, 2023, 02:55:15 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 09, 2023, 07:12:25 PM
A mate who was watching his nephew ref an under age team at Bodymoor today was talking to a member of staff. Big money European striker / wide player arriving by Wednesday.

Hot off the press, you heard it here first, don’t get more ITK than that!!

I'm surprised Villareal have any players left to sell. I suppose there's still that French lad at PSG.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on July 10, 2023, 09:41:30 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Des Little on July 09, 2023, 09:33:56 PM
Does anyone anyone out there not know someone who works at Bodymoor, with a penchant for tittle tattle? 

Hookey and Vinnie are our best sources.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 10, 2023, 10:33:19 AM
			

			

				Morning reports linking us to Kessie and F Torres at Barca. We've supposedly bid €20mil for Kessie but they want closer to 30. Torres apparently costs €35 mil. 

Everton apparently beating us to Gnonto.

Links to Kieran Tierney too. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on July 10, 2023, 10:45:26 AM
			

			

				Everton are patently not beating us to anything we haven't already disregarded
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 10, 2023, 10:48:49 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on July 10, 2023, 10:45:26 AM
Everton are patently not beating us to anything we haven't already disregarded

Yeah, I feel like it's another Barnes situation. He may have been on our list but I don't think we seriously pursued it. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on July 10, 2023, 11:05:28 AM
			

			

				Much as Gnonto impressed me when we played Leeds last season I wouldn't want us gambling big money on him.  My bet would be we don't buy any players from PL clubs (or relegated clubs) this summer.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on July 10, 2023, 11:06:03 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on July 10, 2023, 11:05:28 AM
Much as Gnonto impressed me when we played Leeds last season I wouldn't want us gambling big money on him.  My bet would be we don't buy any players from PL clubs (or relegated clubs) this summer.

Apart from Tielemans of course.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on July 10, 2023, 11:06:40 AM
			

			

				At least we've got previous with Kessie from when he was available on a free when his Milan contract was ending and he chose Barcelona over us. 

Doesn't appear to be part of Barca's plans and any fee they get for him would be pure profit so would help their FFP situation. 

With pre-season getting started, hopefully we'll see signs of things starting to crank up over the next couple of weeks. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 10, 2023, 11:10:42 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on July 10, 2023, 11:06:40 AM
At least we've got previous with Kessie from when he was available on a free when his Milan contract was ending and he chose Barcelona over us. 

Doesn't appear to be part of Barca's plans and any fee they get for him would be pure profit so would help their FFP situation. 

With pre-season getting started, hopefully we'll see signs of things starting to crank up over the next couple of weeks.

The thing I was reading linked to a Spanish site/paper and they said both Kessie and Torres had wanted to stay at Barca but its become clear they don't feature in their plans and both are now open to leaving. It implies Torres is actually interested in us, and that we're actually in some kind of negotiations for Kessie. 

Would be funny if the reason Pau Torres' signing was allowed to run on so long was so we can announce 2 Torres at the same time. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on July 10, 2023, 11:15:06 AM
			

			

				I read the same article. For Torres, it said he was slowly coming round to the idea that he won't be playing at Barcelona. I thought his quotes from the other week were in line with that. 

And that Kessie is attracted to playing in the Premier League. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 10, 2023, 11:19:45 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 10, 2023, 11:10:42 AM
Would be funny if the reason Pau Torres' signing was allowed to run on so long was so we can announce 2 Torres at the same time. 

And apt if it happened in Birmingham where Tolkien grew up.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 10, 2023, 11:21:07 AM
			

			

				I forgot F Torres was the guy who said he was putting his phone on airplane mode until July 10th. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Axl Rose on July 10, 2023, 11:45:13 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on July 10, 2023, 11:19:45 AM
Quote from: AV84 on July 10, 2023, 11:10:42 AM
Would be funny if the reason Pau Torres' signing was allowed to run on so long was so we can announce 2 Torres at the same time. 

And apt if it happened in Birmingham where Tolkien grew up.

Very good
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 10, 2023, 11:46:38 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on July 10, 2023, 11:19:45 AM
Quote from: AV84 on July 10, 2023, 11:10:42 AM
Would be funny if the reason Pau Torres' signing was allowed to run on so long was so we can announce 2 Torres at the same time. 

And apt if it happened in Birmingham where Tolkien grew up.

That has a nice ring to it.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2023, 11:53:30 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on July 10, 2023, 11:46:38 AM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on July 10, 2023, 11:19:45 AM
Quote from: AV84 on July 10, 2023, 11:10:42 AM
Would be funny if the reason Pau Torres' signing was allowed to run on so long was so we can announce 2 Torres at the same time. 

And apt if it happened in Birmingham where Tolkien grew up.

That has a nice ring to it.

Let's not get smaug about it, though. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on July 10, 2023, 11:54:57 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on July 10, 2023, 11:46:38 AM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on July 10, 2023, 11:19:45 AM
Quote from: AV84 on July 10, 2023, 11:10:42 AM
Would be funny if the reason Pau Torres' signing was allowed to run on so long was so we can announce 2 Torres at the same time. 

And apt if it happened in Birmingham where Tolkien grew up.

That has a nice ring to it.

Oh Lord...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 10, 2023, 12:00:21 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 10, 2023, 11:10:42 AM

Would be funny if the reason Pau Torres' signing was allowed to run on so long was so we can announce 2 Torres at the same time. 

Torres seems a popular Spanish name and we're after two. Could be very confusing given we've had two Traores which still has me stopping to think which one even though one is no longer with us. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 10, 2023, 12:08:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brend'Watkins on July 10, 2023, 12:00:21 PM
Quote from: AV84 on July 10, 2023, 11:10:42 AM

Would be funny if the reason Pau Torres' signing was allowed to run on so long was so we can announce 2 Torres at the same time. 

Torres seems a popular Spanish name and we're after two. Could be very confusing given we've had two Traores which still has me stopping to think which one even though one is no longer with us.

They both seem to play with their first names on their jersey. Is that allowed in the Prem? We could have 2 Torreseses but technically no Torreseses. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clive W on July 10, 2023, 12:10:04 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brend'Watkins on July 10, 2023, 12:00:21 PM
Quote from: AV84 on July 10, 2023, 11:10:42 AM

Would be funny if the reason Pau Torres' signing was allowed to run on so long was so we can announce 2 Torres at the same time. 

Torres seems a popular Spanish name and we're after two. Could be very confusing given we've had two Traores which still has me stopping to think which one even though one is no longer with us.

And not forgetting the time we had two Djembas

Thankfully neither are still with us
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 10, 2023, 12:27:49 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 10, 2023, 12:08:17 PM
Quote from: Brend'Watkins on July 10, 2023, 12:00:21 PM
Quote from: AV84 on July 10, 2023, 11:10:42 AM

Would be funny if the reason Pau Torres' signing was allowed to run on so long was so we can announce 2 Torres at the same time. 

Torres seems a popular Spanish name and we're after two. Could be very confusing given we've had two Traores which still has me stopping to think which one even though one is no longer with us.

They both seem to play with their first names on their jersey. Is that allowed in the Prem?

Looks like it.

(https://www.sportsnet.ca/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/Ferran-Torres.jpg)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 10, 2023, 12:38:20 PM
			

			

				Players/clubs can apply to use their first name or other nickname on the backs of shirts, eg Dele Alli and Virgil van Dyke and our own Wesley use their first names, Aguero had nickname Kun Aguero etc. And of course there are Brazilian players for whom it's just normally common sense as their full surnames wouldn't fit.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on July 10, 2023, 01:04:26 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on July 10, 2023, 11:54:57 AM
Quote from: Risso on July 10, 2023, 11:46:38 AM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on July 10, 2023, 11:19:45 AM
Quote from: AV84 on July 10, 2023, 11:10:42 AM
Would be funny if the reason Pau Torres' signing was allowed to run on so long was so we can announce 2 Torres at the same time. 

And apt if it happened in Birmingham where Tolkien grew up.

That has a nice ring to it.

Oh Lord...

That would actually be brilliant. All of this is great.

Also don't want to alarm anyone but the new season starts in 34 days. We've so far brought in a free transfer.

Very slow this year. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: passport1 on July 10, 2023, 01:11:13 PM
			

			

				Unai Emery , Aston Villa manager , has given a direct order to Monchi , the Birmingham club's new sporting director. He wants Franck Kessié in the squad, as he believes that the Ivorian would be a key player, providing very interesting consistency in midfield and attacking from behind. Aston Villa, then, has already started talks with Barça, who want to transfer Kessié, but who have not the slightest intention of giving him away, and even less to a Premier League in which very high amounts are being paid.

In the first contact, Aston Villa has put 20 million euros on the table , a figure far removed from Barça's claims, which does not intend to sell the midfielder for less than 30 million euros . The negotiations, however, are open, so there are many numbers that Kessié ends up playing under the orders of Unai Emery.
Kessie, near Aston Villa

And it seems that Kessié's environment has managed to convince him to change his scene. The Ivorian was convinced to continue, considering that he had not had enough opportunities to demonstrate his quality. Xavi Hernández , however, told him that he did not count on him, which was followed by rumors about his departure. Kessié's communication agency responded with a forceful statement in which he denied that the Ivorian was leaving Barça just one season after his arrival, but at the same time, his representative was hunted in Barcelona to discuss the future of the player .
Finally, Kessié saw that there was nothing to do and that if she wanted to be important, she had to change scenery. He received a big offer from Saudi Arabia , but he wants to stay in the elite. After playing in Italy and Spain, he is now motivated to try the Premier League, so Aston Villa's offer already suits him. The Ivorian would prefer to go to one of the greats, although the Aston Villa project is very interesting.


Ferran Torres, also on the Aston Villa agenda
Kessié is not the only Barça player that Aston Villa is interested in, since in England they assure that Monchi has also put the name of Ferran Torres on the table , another player who does not enter into Xavi Hernández's plans . The Valencian, like Kessié, wanted to continue at Barça, but little by little he has been assimilating that he has no place in the Blaugrana squad.

The big problem in the case of Ferran Torres is the price of the transfer, since Barça wants to recover the heavy investment it made a year and a half ago. The Blaugrana club does not intend to accept less than 35 million euros for Ferran Torres, a figure that Aston Villa, at first, does not intend to assume.

Just spotted in something called elnational.cat over here in Spain

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Hookeysmith on July 10, 2023, 01:21:59 PM
			

			

				I dont want to sound like a complainer but...........

WHERE ARE THE F*CKING SIGNINGS / REDUCTIONS

"Going big this close season"

"The board are backing Emery"

"Villa ready to splash the cash"

"Monster Monchi to be a game changer"

We play Walsall on Saturday FFS and in the States for our main pre season a week later
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2023, 01:34:40 PM
			

			

				I wonder if hiring Monchi when we did is acting to slow things down?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 10, 2023, 01:38:20 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2023, 01:34:40 PM
I wonder if hiring Monchi when we did is acting to slow things down?

Something I read last week sort of implied he wasn't actually starting work until this week, in line with when the players come back in. I guess that could make sense in terms of players who aren't out of contract/relegated. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ads on July 10, 2023, 01:45:03 PM
			

			

				It's clear that we haven't made a signing because we intended to sell JJ to Liverpool to fund transfers and now we can't.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 10, 2023, 01:48:25 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ads on July 10, 2023, 01:45:03 PM
It's clear that we haven't made a signing because we intended to sell JJ to Liverpool to fund transfers and now we can't.

Guess we've had to change direction and sell Martinez to Man Utd instead.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: passport1 on July 10, 2023, 01:49:40 PM
			

			

				My bad. Double  post

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Hookeysmith on July 10, 2023, 01:55:24 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on July 10, 2023, 01:48:25 PM
Quote from: Ads on July 10, 2023, 01:45:03 PM
It's clear that we haven't made a signing because we intended to sell JJ to Liverpool to fund transfers and now we can't.

Excuse my gullability but hope this is made up shite

Guess we've had to change direction and sell Martinez to Man Utd instead.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ads on July 10, 2023, 01:56:05 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on July 10, 2023, 01:48:25 PM
Quote from: Ads on July 10, 2023, 01:45:03 PM
It's clear that we haven't made a signing because we intended to sell JJ to Liverpool to fund transfers and now we can't.

Guess we've had to change direction and sell Martinez to Man Utd instead.

Probably easier to replace than Luiz going to Arsenal. Eitherway we need more funds in for free transfer wages.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 10, 2023, 01:56:51 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Hookeysmith on July 10, 2023, 01:21:59 PM
"Going big this close season"

Probably just meant the new reserve keeper will be 6 foot 9
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 10, 2023, 02:06:41 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 10, 2023, 01:56:51 PM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on July 10, 2023, 01:21:59 PM
"Going big this close season"

Probably just meant the new reserve keeper will be 6 foot 9

Kalinic is coming back?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on July 10, 2023, 02:16:58 PM
			

			

				Look, its fine. 

Its just with Heck and Monchi starting it takes a while for them to get up to spe4d.  Think of all the stuff they have to go through:
1) Read that Health and Safety sign we were told at school all employers must have 
2) Read all the company policies, and Purslow handover notes
3) Wait for IT to get Purslows laptop back, and set it up for Monchi
4) Be introduced to all of the staff
5) Wait for IT to set them up with an @astonvilla.co.uk email address 
6) Have HR give them there key fob
7) Be shown how to use the coffee machine

Once there through all that well be flying
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on July 10, 2023, 02:36:30 PM
			

			

				There really aren't many signings across the division yet, and I think we've made one of the better ones. There's plenty of time to go, we're 26 days in, with 52 days left.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on July 10, 2023, 04:07:46 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on July 10, 2023, 02:36:30 PM
There really aren't many signings across the division yet, and I think we've made one of the better ones. There's plenty of time to go, we're 26 days in, with 52 days left.

Whilst I agree with you in this instance, I think it's reasonable to point out that this place was littered with these types of posts in January.  And last summer.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 10, 2023, 04:18:00 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on July 10, 2023, 02:06:41 PM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 10, 2023, 01:56:51 PM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on July 10, 2023, 01:21:59 PM
"Going big this close season"

Probably just meant the new reserve keeper will be 6 foot 9

Kalinic is coming back?

I hope not :-)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 10, 2023, 04:22:32 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on July 10, 2023, 02:36:30 PM
There really aren't many signings across the division yet, and I think we've made one of the better ones. There's plenty of time to go, we're 26 days in, with 52 days left.

Ok so, we're 1/3 of the way through with 1 player in and zero spend. So if the same trend continues till the window slams shut, we'll have 3 new players with zero spend.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on July 10, 2023, 04:22:43 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on July 10, 2023, 04:07:46 PM
Quote from: Drummond on July 10, 2023, 02:36:30 PM
There really aren't many signings across the division yet, and I think we've made one of the better ones. There's plenty of time to go, we're 26 days in, with 52 days left.

Whilst I agree with you in this instance, I think it's reasonable to point out that this place was littered with these types of posts in January.  And last summer.

Yep, I agree there were, I guess it's just that we've got one, are about to announce another (he's on honeymoon remember), and seemingly have various irons in the fire.

Brennan Johnson,
Tyler Adams
Gnonto
Torres F
Diaby
Tierney
Chiesa
etc. have all been discussed today
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on July 10, 2023, 04:27:32 PM
			

			

				I know.  But then there were lots of links last summer and in Jan too.  I actually think we'll have a decent window.  But if we don't it won't be the first window I've been disappointed.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 10, 2023, 04:41:34 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on July 10, 2023, 04:27:32 PM
I know.  But then there were lots of links last summer and in Jan too.  I actually think we'll have a decent window.  But if we don't it won't be the first window I've been disappointed.  

Indeed.

As long as we're ready to go by the time the season starts, it doesn't matter too much when the players come in I suppose. But given how small our squad is, especially up front, I had sort of hoped we'd be further along by now. By all accounts we were saving ourselves for this summer rather than "just buying anybody" in January, but we don't seem to be as advanced as we could be given that. The new season starts in a month, and while the window doesn't shut until three weeks after, ideally we'd want people in and settled, having had at least some time pre-season with Emery and the rest of the squad. Else it becomes another round of excuse-making and "let's see what happens in January" all over again.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ger Regan on July 10, 2023, 04:48:25 PM
			

			

				Yeah, there really can't be any excuses for us to be without the necessary incomings by the end of the window.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dave.woodhall on July 10, 2023, 04:48:29 PM
			

			

				The day when "It's still early in the window" becomes "We'll make a big push next time" is rapidly approaching. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on July 10, 2023, 04:51:03 PM
			

			

				I wonder if the Saudi Arabia thing is making in a difference in that players are now considering moves there that wouldn’t have done a few months ago, so the ‘transfer merry go round’ isn’t happening as expected?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 10, 2023, 04:54:14 PM
			

			

				I do think though, that there'd be no point them bringing Monchi in if he's just going to sit on his hands for the summer.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john2710 on July 10, 2023, 05:01:26 PM
			

			

				Some thought we'd lost an opportunity in January by not buying players we didn't need or want. They said, come the end of the season it will cost us.

The club should have learned a lesson but from the lack of transfer activity obviously they haven't. 

Personally I have the utmost confidence that Emery knows what he wants & won't just buy any tat.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on July 10, 2023, 05:09:16 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: john2710 on July 10, 2023, 05:01:26 PM
Some thought we'd lost an opportunity in January by not buying players we didn't need or want. They said, come the end of the season it will cost us.

We were pretty lucky with injuries and although we did incredibly well we'll never know if it did cost us.  We were 1 point off 6th after all.  Equally, I accept there's an argument that a signing might have actually had a negative impact on the points total.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on July 10, 2023, 05:15:40 PM
			

			

				I wonder how many people inside Villa Park on the last day of the season stood their and thought 'we were lucky with injuries'? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on July 10, 2023, 05:18:43 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clampy on July 10, 2023, 05:15:40 PM
I wonder how many people inside Villa Park on the last day of the season stood their and thought 'we were lucky with injuries'? 
What's the point of this post Clampy?  I mostly like your posts but you can be a tit sometimes.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 10, 2023, 05:26:23 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: john2710 on July 10, 2023, 05:01:26 PM
Some thought we'd lost an opportunity in January by not buying players we didn't need or want. They said, come the end of the season it will cost us.


Well, we were relatively lucky with injuries. But generally, most clubs don't have gaps on the bench or two sub keepers because they don't have enough fit players to fill all the sub spots. And Emery himself has said his ultimate goal is to have two quality players for every position.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 10, 2023, 05:30:03 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PeterWithe on July 10, 2023, 04:51:03 PM
I wonder if the Saudi Arabia thing is making in a difference in that players are now considering moves there that wouldn’t have done a few months ago, so the ‘transfer merry go round’ isn’t happening as expected?

Plenty of people made the point in January though that we couldn't just assume that things would be the same in the summer. 

For the record, I'm sure it'll be fine and we'll get what we need* - but if we don't, then "back in January we didn't foresee 'X' happening" isn't an excuse, it's just an acceptance that they did balls up six months ago. If we thought we were signing players in the summer who then changed their mind when they saw the number of zeroes on their Saudi Arabian contracts, then it's our own fault. 

*I did also think that in January though. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on July 10, 2023, 05:37:12 PM
			

			

				don’t know what people are talking about We’ve bought loads of people in, 
we’ve seen more Spanish shifters and shakers coming over the channel since 1588



			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on July 10, 2023, 05:41:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on July 10, 2023, 05:18:43 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 10, 2023, 05:15:40 PM
I wonder how many people inside Villa Park on the last day of the season stood their and thought 'we were lucky with injuries'? 
What's the point of this post Clampy?  I mostly like your posts but you can be a tit sometimes.

You brought up that we were pretty lucky with injuries. I thought the players were absolutely immense in that run in and Emery deserved every bit of praise he got. Mentioning being lucky with injuries just seemed a bit unnecessary. 

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on July 10, 2023, 05:47:04 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clampy on July 10, 2023, 05:41:17 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on July 10, 2023, 05:18:43 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 10, 2023, 05:15:40 PM
I wonder how many people inside Villa Park on the last day of the season stood their and thought 'we were lucky with injuries'? 
What's the point of this post Clampy?  I mostly like your posts but you can be a tit sometimes.

You brought up that we were pretty lucky with injuries. I thought the players were absolutely immense in that run in and Emery deserved every bit of praise he got. Mentioning being lucky with injuries just seemed a bit unnecessary. 

It's just odd that is all you took from what I thought was a pretty balanced post.  I agree that the players were absolutely immense in that run in and Emery deserved every bit of praise he got.  But that wasn't the point I was responding to.  The point, which I appreciate has been made many times before, is that the squad was extremely thin.  We rolled the dice and got away with it.  That doesn't take away from Emery or the players. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 10, 2023, 05:47:47 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clampy on July 10, 2023, 05:41:17 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on July 10, 2023, 05:18:43 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 10, 2023, 05:15:40 PM
I wonder how many people inside Villa Park on the last day of the season stood their and thought 'we were lucky with injuries'? 
What's the point of this post Clampy?  I mostly like your posts but you can be a tit sometimes.

You brought up that we were pretty lucky with injuries. I thought the players were absolutely immense in that run in and Emery deserved every bit of praise he got.

Those aren't contradictory opinions though. Both can be (and indeed, are) true. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on July 10, 2023, 05:58:48 PM
			

			

				I was suggesting that the SA situation was affecting the European market in general rather than us in isolation, for instance someone like Zaha who would maybe have been no1 choice for a CL side but now he’s got a mega offer from SA to consider so their picks further down their pecking order are also not yet moving until that deal is concluded, or not. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 10, 2023, 06:56:42 PM
			

			

				Some reports that Barnes to Newcastle isn't as done a deal as it was claimed last week. They haven't agreed a price, or Newcastle have to sell to fund it. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on July 10, 2023, 07:09:41 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Beard82 on July 10, 2023, 02:16:58 PM
Look, its fine. 

Its just with Heck and Monchi starting it takes a while for them to get up to spe4d.  Think of all the stuff they have to go through:
1) Read that Health and Safety sign we were told at school all employers must have 
2) Read all the company policies, and Purslow handover notes
3) Wait for IT to get Purslows laptop back, and set it up for Monchi
4) Be introduced to all of the staff
5) Wait for IT to set them up with an @astonvilla.co.uk email address 
6) Have HR give them there key fob
7) Be shown how to use the coffee machine

Once there through all that well be flying
He probably needs his photo to be taken for his ID badge too. They're better now but when I joined my work that was a good couple of hours waiting for that to be printed.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RamboandBruno on July 10, 2023, 07:20:25 PM
			

			

				I tend to think if we were really interested in Barnes, it probably would of happened. Newcastle are obviously a big draw now, but Barnes was reportedly ‘open’ to a move to Villa weeks ago. 

Chiesa is not going to happen in my view. 

Emery and Monchi will know the Spanish market inside out, it feels like Torres part two and Kessie are realistic. 

Brennan Johnsons then the potential curve ball. 

Giving pre season is here, i think if we get another 3 players on top of Tielemans and Pau Torres, we’ve done well. I dont see 3 midfielder/forward options and then also a right back and goalie. The lack of new goalie being the most terrifying prospect. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on July 10, 2023, 07:25:17 PM
			

			

				Torres, Tielemans, Kessie, Torres and Johnson would represent a damn good window.  

I wondered why the likes of Hause, Coutinho, Davis and Sanson weren't at training when they went back on Saturday, given they are all fit and had no international football?  Have they been told not to bother? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2023, 07:25:36 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on July 10, 2023, 05:47:04 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 10, 2023, 05:41:17 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on July 10, 2023, 05:18:43 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 10, 2023, 05:15:40 PM
I wonder how many people inside Villa Park on the last day of the season stood their and thought 'we were lucky with injuries'? 
What's the point of this post Clampy?  I mostly like your posts but you can be a tit sometimes.

You brought up that we were pretty lucky with injuries. I thought the players were absolutely immense in that run in and Emery deserved every bit of praise he got. Mentioning being lucky with injuries just seemed a bit unnecessary. 

It's just odd that is all you took from what I thought was a pretty balanced post.  I agree that the players were absolutely immense in that run in and Emery deserved every bit of praise he got.  But that wasn't the point I was responding to.  The point, which I appreciate has been made many times before, is that the squad was extremely thin.  We rolled the dice and got away with it.  That doesn't take away from Emery or the players. 

I think it is pretty fair to say we were lucky with injuries in the later stages of last season.

Not really sure how that takes away from what the players and managers achieved in any way, but we had almost zero cover up front, for example. We definitely took a gamble there.

As Risso said, look at the bench we had for a lot of the later games last year, we had pretty much zero back up. That's what we need to do this window, significantly increase the pool of very good players.

I also think we need to not talk in terms of starters and back ups. We need more, better players, and they can win the shirt with their showings in training and on the pitch, it's the general quality and quantity we need to work on.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 10, 2023, 07:31:35 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on July 10, 2023, 07:25:17 PM
I wondered why the likes of Hause, Coutinho, Davis and Sanson weren't at training when they went back on Saturday, given they are all fit and had no international football?  Have they been told not to bother?

I assumed they were just doing it in groups that day. If they were all being tested and monitored and what not, it's easier to do in small groups. Maybe they film crew were just there for one group. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on July 10, 2023, 07:42:53 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 10, 2023, 07:31:35 PM
Quote from: Steve67 on July 10, 2023, 07:25:17 PM
I wondered why the likes of Hause, Coutinho, Davis and Sanson weren't at training when they went back on Saturday, given they are all fit and had no international football?  Have they been told not to bother?

I assumed they were just doing it in groups that day. If they were all being tested and monitored and what not, it's easier to do in small groups. Maybe they film crew were just there for one group. 

Yes, quite likely, but they don't appear to be there today either.  Not that I'm stalking anyone of course!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 10, 2023, 07:50:57 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on July 10, 2023, 07:42:53 PM
Yes, quite likely, but they don't appear to be there today either.  Not that I'm stalking anyone of course!

Oh, I haven't seen any of today's stuff. I wouldn't think they'd just tell people not to show up, would they? Has Durán been seen yet? He was supposed to be on his way back in that photo he posted last week.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 10, 2023, 07:57:45 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 10, 2023, 07:50:57 PM
Quote from: Steve67 on July 10, 2023, 07:42:53 PM
Yes, quite likely, but they don't appear to be there today either.  Not that I'm stalking anyone of course!

Oh, I haven't seen any of today's stuff. I wouldn't think they'd just tell people not to show up, would they? Has Durán been seen yet? He was supposed to be on his way back in that photo he posted last week.

Yeah, he was pictured back at the club.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on July 10, 2023, 08:32:49 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on July 10, 2023, 07:25:17 PM
Torres, Tielemans, Kessie, Torres and Johnson would represent a damn good window.  

I wondered why the likes of Hause, Coutinho, Davis and Sanson weren't at training when they went back on Saturday, given they are all fit and had no international football?  Have they been told not to bother?
With all the will in the world were not getting all of them!   Maybe 3 of 5 you mention.  And would still be good 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 10, 2023, 08:33:31 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: SoccerHQ on July 09, 2023, 07:06:27 PM
Diaby is like Torres I think, unattainable probably 12 months ago but with him still at his present club and us having european football to offer potential signings I don't think it's hugely unrealistic.

He's also ideal for what we seek, plays out wide but think he can play central aswell. 15 goals in Bundesliga and europe last season (I appreciate I was saying all this about Bailey two summers ago!).

From what I've seen, I very much like the cut of his jib. Fast, strong, skillful and intelligent; he knows when to release the ball which is really important for any striker/attacker.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RamboandBruno on July 10, 2023, 08:45:11 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Beard82 on July 10, 2023, 08:32:49 PM
Quote from: Steve67 on July 10, 2023, 07:25:17 PM
Torres, Tielemans, Kessie, Torres and Johnson would represent a damn good window.  

I wondered why the likes of Hause, Coutinho, Davis and Sanson weren't at training when they went back on Saturday, given they are all fit and had no international football?  Have they been told not to bother?
With all the will in the world were not getting all of them!   Maybe 3 of 5 you mention.  And would still be good

We’ve already got 2 out of the 5 Steve mentions, if they were the main targets (obviously might not be), I’d be a bit disappointed to only get one more. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on July 10, 2023, 09:03:33 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: RamboandBruno on July 10, 2023, 08:45:11 PM
Quote from: Beard82 on July 10, 2023, 08:32:49 PM
Quote from: Steve67 on July 10, 2023, 07:25:17 PM
Torres, Tielemans, Kessie, Torres and Johnson would represent a damn good window.  

I wondered why the likes of Hause, Coutinho, Davis and Sanson weren't at training when they went back on Saturday, given they are all fit and had no international football?  Have they been told not to bother?
With all the will in the world were not getting all of them!   Maybe 3 of 5 you mention.  And would still be good

We’ve already got 2 out of the 5 Steve mentions, if they were the main targets (obviously might not be), I’d be a bit disappointed to only get one more.
Apologises - thought Kessie was a forward player, and was thinking 1 of 3 in that position.  I cant see us signing Torres mk2 and Johnson 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 10, 2023, 09:22:21 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on July 10, 2023, 07:25:17 PM
Torres, Tielemans, Kessie, Torres and Johnson would represent a damn good window.  

Interesting reading the goings on at Barca - they want Ferran Torres out and are putting the squeeze on him. He wants to stay but the Barca president was quoted as saying 'we're not an NGO' and they need to trim the squad especially as they want to bring in a couple of new faces. I think he's back either today or tomorrow from his football academy and likely to put an end to his media blackout.

He sounds a very troubled player that never produced it at Barca and won't be given a second chance. If Unai really does want him he may be facing his greatest challenge yet. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on July 10, 2023, 09:35:46 PM
			

			

				I’d be pretty pissed off if I were him. Barca are like toddlers with new toys.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 10, 2023, 09:52:48 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 10, 2023, 09:35:46 PM
I’d be pretty pissed off if I were him. Barca are like toddlers with new toys.

Why, Paul? Barca paid €55m for last year and he's hardly pulled up any trees. There are plenty that want to offload Bailey if we can bring in a better replacement. My concern is Ferran's head may not be in the right place should he be 'forced' to join us. It's not an ideal situation for us or the player. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on July 10, 2023, 10:05:39 PM
			

			

				Well I have a strong suspicion Barca probably haven’t created the environment they sold to him, might be wrong but they seem a bit obsessed with the shiny new toy.

Bailey is a different point, he might have been a bit stop start but generally we look more effective with him around. I’m still hopeful he can become more consistent.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Lescottstweets on July 10, 2023, 10:42:30 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on July 10, 2023, 09:52:48 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 10, 2023, 09:35:46 PM
I’d be pretty pissed off if I were him. Barca are like toddlers with new toys.

Why, Paul? Barca paid €55m for last year and he's hardly pulled up any trees. There are plenty that want to offload Bailey if we can bring in a better replacement. My concern is Ferran's head may not be in the right place should he be 'forced' to join us. It's not an ideal situation for us or the player.

That’s the thing that concerns me too, why go after a player that doesn’t want to leave? Be similar to Ireland in a way.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 10, 2023, 11:52:27 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Lescottstweets on July 10, 2023, 10:42:30 PM
That’s the thing that concerns me too, why go after a player that doesn’t want to leave? Be similar to Ireland in a way.

To put a more positive spin on it, it might do wonders for the player to feel like he's genuinely wanted by Emery. It might not have been in his plans to leave Barca so soon, but if he's basically been told he's not part of the plans there, and we're telling him he's a big part of our big plans, it might help with the move. And I think we showed interest in him before it was basically public knowledge that they don't want to keep him, which would show that we wanted him anyway, he's not just an impulse buy because we saw him in the shop window. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ads on July 11, 2023, 12:28:59 AM
			

			

				That Tonali lad whose gone to Newcastle looks overjoyed haha
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: steamer on July 11, 2023, 07:31:51 AM
			

			

				Why, have they shown him the fog on the Tyne ?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Somniloquism on July 11, 2023, 08:37:54 AM
			

			

				Apparently Maguire is £50 mil if anyone wants him. Have Manure got that sort of cash to give away like that?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 11, 2023, 10:14:49 AM
			

			

				Apparently we’ve been linked with Pau Torres.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SoccerHQ on July 11, 2023, 10:51:28 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: PeterWithe on July 10, 2023, 04:51:03 PM
I wonder if the Saudi Arabia thing is making in a difference in that players are now considering moves there that wouldn’t have done a few months ago, so the ‘transfer merry go round’ isn’t happening as expected?

Milenkovic-Savic just gone there for around 35m. He's someone who'd have done very well in premier league with his style but Lazio were wanting 60-70m not so long ago.

This to me is a summer of quality over quantity. I'm not sure why people keep demanding we sign 6-7 players every summer when we've seen before it takes too long for some to settle in and others simply aren't good enough.

We know from end of last season most players have responded well to Emery so now it's a case of adding astutely so I'd say dropping Tielemans into a very effective CM unit is clever. Pau Torres is an outstanding signing so we're very strong in the central parts now.

Only issue other than the obvious of attempting to sign a decent final third player is injuries. Already we've lost Moreno and Ramsey for start of the season and europa play offs so our left side simply won't be as strong as it was in the run in although Digne didn't do too badly in final few games when he got minutes so have to hope him and whoever is infront can do the job in August.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 11, 2023, 11:06:54 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: SoccerHQ on July 11, 2023, 10:51:28 AM
This to me is a summer of quality over quantity. I'm not sure why people keep demanding we sign 6-7 players every summer when we've seen before it takes too long for some to settle in and others simply aren't good enough.

For me, it is about both. Not sure re some of them not being good enough - maybe sign players that will be good enough? That's what Monchi is here for.

Next season is different - we will potentially be playing significantly more matches than the season just gone, we absolutely need more options, and if we want to press on, they need to be better than the ones we have.

We always talk about pressing on and making the next step - that needs better players, and those tend to be expensive. We've spent net next to nothing the last few seasons, this is a window to prepare ourselves to deliver. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on July 11, 2023, 11:07:53 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 11, 2023, 11:06:54 AM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on July 11, 2023, 10:51:28 AM
This to me is a summer of quality over quantity. I'm not sure why people keep demanding we sign 6-7 players every summer when we've seen before it takes too long for some to settle in and others simply aren't good enough.

For me, it is about both. Not sure re some of them not being good enough - maybe sign players that will be good enough? That's what Monchi is here for.

Next season is different - we will potentially be playing significantly more matches than the season just gone, we absolutely need more options, and if we want to press on, they need to be better than the ones we have.

We always talk about pressing on and making the next step - that needs better players, and those tend to be expensive. We've spent net next to nothing the last few seasons, this is a window to prepare ourselves to deliver. 

Two forward/wide players of quality and another full back and I'll be happy
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 11, 2023, 11:10:53 AM
			

			

				I quite like Podence at Wolves and apparently he is looking for a move .  I just wonder if he is one of those who looked good just against us 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on July 11, 2023, 11:14:29 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on July 11, 2023, 11:10:53 AM
I quite like Podence at Wolves and apparently he is looking for a move .  I just wonder if he is one of those who looked good just against us 

a) I think so, though he has looked really good against us, but b) he's so small he makes Buendia look the Andre the Giant, and we need to add a bit of height to the team not take it away
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 11, 2023, 11:19:04 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on July 11, 2023, 11:07:53 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 11, 2023, 11:06:54 AM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on July 11, 2023, 10:51:28 AM
This to me is a summer of quality over quantity. I'm not sure why people keep demanding we sign 6-7 players every summer when we've seen before it takes too long for some to settle in and others simply aren't good enough.

For me, it is about both. Not sure re some of them not being good enough - maybe sign players that will be good enough? That's what Monchi is here for.

Next season is different - we will potentially be playing significantly more matches than the season just gone, we absolutely need more options, and if we want to press on, they need to be better than the ones we have.

We always talk about pressing on and making the next step - that needs better players, and those tend to be expensive. We've spent net next to nothing the last few seasons, this is a window to prepare ourselves to deliver. 

Two forward/wide players of quality and another full back and I'll be happy

Plus a GK, but yes. That would be 6 new in total which would be good, wouldn't want to see too many out though considering the number of games.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on July 11, 2023, 11:21:47 AM
			

			

				Yeah, another keeper too unless Monchi is going to replace Olsen with himself, which to be honest I'd take, even at 54.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SoccerHQ on July 11, 2023, 11:29:04 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 11, 2023, 11:06:54 AM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on July 11, 2023, 10:51:28 AM
This to me is a summer of quality over quantity. I'm not sure why people keep demanding we sign 6-7 players every summer when we've seen before it takes too long for some to settle in and others simply aren't good enough.

For me, it is about both. Not sure re some of them not being good enough - maybe sign players that will be good enough? That's what Monchi is here for.

Next season is different - we will potentially be playing significantly more matches than the season just gone, we absolutely need more options, and if we want to press on, they need to be better than the ones we have.

We always talk about pressing on and making the next step - that needs better players, and those tend to be expensive. We've spent net next to nothing the last few seasons, this is a window to prepare ourselves to deliver. 

When Torres is confirmed we'll have 5 CBs on the books. Chambers goes from being 12 months ago the main back up to now 5th choice so to me we're very strong there if Torres comes in and is as good as he's been at Villareal.

Central midfield options: Kamara, Luiz, SJM, Tielemans, Ramsey, Dendoncker, Tim, Aaron Ramsey.

Effectively 8 options for two spots albeit two of those were regularly playing out wide for Emery and two others are kids.

So we're o.k there aswell.

For left back it's a shame Moreno is out but he'll be back sometime in September and we've got Digne on ridiculous wages who we'll struggle to shift just now so don't see the point in spending 25m on another LB just now.

Main thing we need to get right is the attacker we sign. Ollie might be a machine fitness wise but I can already see a problem of asking him to go flat out in europe on a Thursday evening and then demanding the same for the Sunday lunchtime match so we need more than Archer and Duran as back up this season.

So profile is someone who can play wide and then slot in centrally when required which is why being linked to Diaby fits for what we're looking at, Brennan Johnson aswell although he's less proven at the top level and would cost a similar fee.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 11, 2023, 11:32:06 AM
			

			

				6 Centre Backs:-

Mings
Torres
Konsa
Carlos
Chambers
Hause 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Des Little on July 11, 2023, 11:35:49 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on July 11, 2023, 11:21:47 AM
Yeah, another keeper too unless Monchi is going to replace Olsen with himself, which to be honest I'd take, even at 54.

Same here.  I'd take John Burridge back in over Olsen.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 11, 2023, 11:44:31 AM
			

			

				I wonder what our criteria for a goalkeeper is? 

Do we want someone we can actually start in European/Cup matches? Or do we just want someone who is competent enough that on the off chance Emi has to miss a game, we'll survive 90mins without him? 

Maybe we won't see any movement there until after the playoffs, just on the off chance we don't have as many games to play as we're expecting. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SoccerHQ on July 11, 2023, 11:47:11 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 11, 2023, 11:32:06 AM
6 Centre Backs:-

Mings
Torres
Konsa
Carlos
Chambers
Hause 

Hause is just here in name only. He did what was asked of him between 2019-21 but we've outgrown his ability so needs to move on if he can get himself fit.

Same reason as I didn't include Sanson and Marvellous in the CM options.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on July 11, 2023, 12:02:37 PM
			

			

				We need a RB. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on July 11, 2023, 12:05:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ChicagoLion on July 11, 2023, 12:02:37 PM
We need a RB. 

I do wonder if he's just thinking Konsa or Chambers can just step in, and we've got the centre halves to cover. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villatillidie25 on July 11, 2023, 12:10:25 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on July 11, 2023, 12:05:17 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on July 11, 2023, 12:02:37 PM
We need a RB. 

I do wonder if he's just thinking Konsa or Chambers can just step in, and we've got the centre halves to cover. 

I suspect it's an area he'd like a new player, maybe even an upgrade on Cash but on the list of priorities, I think it falls below some of the other areas we've been talking about. Maybe a short term option (ala Young) to come in later in the window (we've been linked with Meunier this summer) is the only option i can see
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on July 11, 2023, 12:17:42 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on July 11, 2023, 12:05:17 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on July 11, 2023, 12:02:37 PM
We need a RB. 

I do wonder if he's just thinking Konsa or Chambers can just step in, and we've got the centre halves to cover.
neither are particularly good with the ball, so I would have thought not Emery type players in that position.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on July 11, 2023, 12:21:24 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on July 11, 2023, 12:05:17 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on July 11, 2023, 12:02:37 PM
We need a RB. 

I do wonder if he's just thinking Konsa or Chambers can just step in, and we've got the centre halves to cover.

Wouldn't say either would be adequate cover if Cash was out for a run of games.  Think we definitely need another option there.   
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on July 11, 2023, 12:31:03 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: SoccerHQ on July 11, 2023, 10:51:28 AM
Quote from: PeterWithe on July 10, 2023, 04:51:03 PM
I wonder if the Saudi Arabia thing is making in a difference in that players are now considering moves there that wouldn’t have done a few months ago, so the ‘transfer merry go round’ isn’t happening as expected?

This to me is a summer of quality over quantity. 

I'm not sure why people keep demanding we sign 6-7 players every summer when we've seen before it takes too long for some to settle in and others simply aren't good enough.

We know from end of last season most players have responded well to Emery so now it's a case of adding astutely so I'd say dropping Tielemans into a very effective CM unit is clever. Pau Torres is an outstanding signing so we're very strong in the central parts now.

Only issue other than the obvious of attempting to sign a decent final third player is injuries. Already we've lost Moreno and Ramsey for start of the season and europa play offs so our left side simply won't be as strong as it was in the run in although Digne didn't do too badly in final few games when he got minutes so have to hope him and whoever is infront can do the job in August.

This summer has to be about both quantity & quality.

That was the whole point about keeping our powder dry in January. 

And you highlighted the reason why a little later in your post. Its about having squad depth so we can cope with injuries, suspensions, form, fatigue, extra games, etc.

When the Torres signing goes through, & with Tielemans already here, we will have strength in depth at both central defence & central midfield. Its a great start of what needs to be a huge summer, because to compete at the upper echelons of domestic & european football, we will need to replicate that for the rest of the squad.

Which us why we need both quantity & quality...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: nigel on July 11, 2023, 12:32:43 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Des Little on July 11, 2023, 11:35:49 AM
Quote from: LeeB on July 11, 2023, 11:21:47 AM
Yeah, another keeper too unless Monchi is going to replace Olsen with himself, which to be honest I'd take, even at 54.

Same here.  I'd take John Burridge back in over Olsen.

I’d take Nigel Sims over Olsen
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: trinityoap on July 11, 2023, 12:36:13 PM
			

			

				So would I and he's been dead for five years.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bobby Boy on July 11, 2023, 12:37:07 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: nigel on July 11, 2023, 12:32:43 PM
Quote from: Des Little on July 11, 2023, 11:35:49 AM
Quote from: LeeB on July 11, 2023, 11:21:47 AM
Yeah, another keeper too unless Monchi is going to replace Olsen with himself, which to be honest I'd take, even at 54.

Same here.  I'd take John Burridge back in over Olsen.

I’d take Nigel Sims over Olsen

I'd take Gabor Kiraly over....Actually, no, that's going too far.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: sid1964 on July 11, 2023, 12:40:47 PM
			

			

				It was mentioned on a podcast that I listened to that Tom Heaton could be returning to us
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on July 11, 2023, 12:41:27 PM
			

			

				No, I still hate Kiraly. Those jogging bottoms were an afront too far to the institution of Aston Villa. William McGregor, a draper by trade, would have been spinning in his grave
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 11, 2023, 12:56:41 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on July 11, 2023, 12:41:27 PM
No, I still hate Kiraly. Those jogging bottoms were an afront too far to the institution of Aston Villa. William McGregor, a draper by trade, would have been spinning in his grave
I remember on one of the early 2000s version of Football Manager he was the best, and most expensive goalkeeper in the game. I remember being quite jealous when he went to Palace.

Quickly got over that feeling. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on July 11, 2023, 01:00:32 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on July 11, 2023, 12:56:41 PM
Quote from: LeeB on July 11, 2023, 12:41:27 PM
No, I still hate Kiraly. Those jogging bottoms were an afront too far to the institution of Aston Villa. William McGregor, a draper by trade, would have been spinning in his grave
I remember on one of the early 2000s version of Football Manager he was the best, and most expensive goalkeeper in the game. I remember being quite jealous when he went to Palace.

Quickly got over that feeling. 

Ha ha, I remember being very excited when we signed Wilf Bouma as he was supposedly a kind of proto-Gareth Bale according to Championship Manager at the time. Him and Danny Tiatto locking down the left side for years.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on July 11, 2023, 01:05:19 PM
			

			

				When people talk about quantity how many do you actually mean?

I see the current squad as:
GK(2/3) – Martinez, Olsen, Sinisalo
RB(1/2) – Cash
LB(2) – Moreno Digne
CB(4) – Mings, Konsa, Carlos, Torres, Chambers, Hause
DM(4) – Kamara, Donk, Luiz, Tim, Nakamba
CM(4) – McGinn, JJ Ramsey, Tielemans, AJ Ramsey, Sanson
AM/W(3/4) – Buendia, Coutinho, Bailey, Traore
ST(?/3) – Watkins, Archer, Duran?

The numbers are what I think we have and need for each position, Bold are new signings and youth players who could/should be part of the squad for next year, struck out are players we're either heavily rumoured to be happy to sell or who should be replaced. I've marked out Duran because I think he's right on the edge of whether we should be loaning him out or not.


So 1 keeper, 1 RB, 1 winger/2nd striker and maybe a striker if we want to give Duran a bit more time.


that's 5-6 signings and feels right to me, I think any more than that becomes disruptive.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on July 11, 2023, 01:36:44 PM
			

			

				I think Donk will go and Coutinho very much has a question mark over him for me. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Hookeysmith on July 11, 2023, 01:47:54 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on July 11, 2023, 01:36:44 PM
I think Donk will go and Coutinho very much has a question mark over him for me. 

Coutinho has 2 options

Get his mojo back and take Buendia's #10 role or come January fuck off to the desert with his old mate

I really hope it is the former as i feel he still has a huge amount to offer and no one better to get it out of his than UA.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 11, 2023, 01:52:24 PM
			

			

				Good summary Paul.
Is A Ramsey up to it? Not seen much of him. Could Chambers be retained as a decent utility player? Will Coutinho be off? Are we likely to play with one striker most of the time and if so should we maybe just go with the much improved Watkins with the 2 kids as back up, ie not loaning either.
Does anyone else think like me that whilst it’s not critical I still wouldn’t mind seeing a proper big nasty fucker in the DM area of the squad? 

I think I’d agree though that in terms of incomings it needs as a minimum to be 1 really top creative attacker, 1 RB to give Cash serious competition and 1 good standard back up GK, in addition to the 2 already signed. I would really like another forward to replace either Bailey or Coutinho as well I think, both are talented but are nothing like consistent.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on July 11, 2023, 01:56:42 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on July 11, 2023, 01:05:19 PM
When people talk about quantity how many do you actually mean?

I see the current squad as:
GK(2/3) – Martinez, Olsen, Sinisalo
RB(1/2) – Cash
LB(2) – Moreno Digne
CB(4) – Mings, Konsa, Carlos, Torres, Chambers, Hause
DM(4) – Kamara, Donk, Luiz, Tim, Nakamba
CM(4) – McGinn, JJ Ramsey, Tielemans, AJ Ramsey, Sanson
AM/W(3/4) – Buendia, Coutinho, Bailey, Traore
ST(?/3) – Watkins, Archer, Duran?

The numbers are what I think we have and need for each position, Bold are new signings and youth players who could/should be part of the squad for next year, struck out are players we're either heavily rumoured to be happy to sell or who should be replaced. I've marked out Duran because I think he's right on the edge of whether we should be loaning him out or not.


So 1 keeper, 1 RB, 1 winger/2nd striker and maybe a striker if we want to give Duran a bit more time.


that's 5-6 signings and feels right to me, I think any more than that becomes disruptive.
I agree and should change if any of the above move.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 11, 2023, 02:02:38 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ChicagoLion on July 11, 2023, 01:56:42 PM
Quote from: paul_e on July 11, 2023, 01:05:19 PM
When people talk about quantity how many do you actually mean?

I see the current squad as:
GK(2/3) – Martinez, Olsen, Sinisalo
RB(1/2) – Cash
LB(2) – Moreno Digne
CB(4) – Mings, Konsa, Carlos, Torres, Chambers, Hause
DM(4) – Kamara, Donk, Luiz, Tim, Nakamba
CM(4) – McGinn, JJ Ramsey, Tielemans, AJ Ramsey, Sanson
AM/W(3/4) – Buendia, Coutinho, Bailey, Traore
ST(?/3) – Watkins, Archer, Duran?

The numbers are what I think we have and need for each position, Bold are new signings and youth players who could/should be part of the squad for next year, struck out are players we're either heavily rumoured to be happy to sell or who should be replaced. I've marked out Duran because I think he's right on the edge of whether we should be loaning him out or not.


So 1 keeper, 1 RB, 1 winger/2nd striker and maybe a striker if we want to give Duran a bit more time.


that's 5-6 signings and feels right to me, I think any more than that becomes disruptive.
I agree and should change if any of the above move.

Also agree. It all depends on whether the plan is to use the three loan-returnees as part of the first team squad.

I wouldn't be 100% against Archer spending a year with e.g Burnley or Sheffield Utd, letting him bang in 15 goals as they go down, then he comes back to us with the extra experience and a position as our first-choice striker, while we get in someone with a bit more experience for a few years.

But if Archer is staying, then we shouldn't be signing another obstacle to him playing and it reduces the number of players we need to sign by one. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 11, 2023, 02:02:40 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on July 11, 2023, 01:05:19 PM
So 1 keeper, 1 RB, 1 winger/2nd striker and maybe a striker if we want to give Duran a bit more time.

that's 5-6 signings and feels right to me, I think any more than that becomes disruptive.

That's where I'm at, hopefully we're just waiting for the right quality in those positions to become available.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 11, 2023, 02:05:56 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on July 11, 2023, 02:02:38 PM
But if Archer is staying, then we shouldn't be signing another obstacle to him playing and it reduces the number of players we need to sign by one.

Durán going on loan makes more sense at the minute than Archer. But I agree, if Archer stays it should be with the understanding that at least until January, he's #2 behind Watkins, and give him his chance. And I still think some kind of attacking midfielder who can contribute double figure goals is probably necessary regardless of what we do with the strikers.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villatillidie25 on July 11, 2023, 02:14:09 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 11, 2023, 02:05:56 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 11, 2023, 02:02:38 PM
But if Archer is staying, then we shouldn't be signing another obstacle to him playing and it reduces the number of players we need to sign by one.

Durán going on loan makes more sense at the minute than Archer. But I agree, if Archer stays it should be with the understanding that at least until January, he's #2 behind Watkins, and give him his chance. And I still think some kind of attacking midfielder who can contribute double figure goals is probably necessary regardless of what we do with the strikers.

100%. second striker style player that can play out wide or through the middle is an absolute must
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 11, 2023, 02:23:48 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 11, 2023, 01:52:24 PM
Is A Ramsey up to it? Not seen much of him. 

Like you I hadn't seen much of him until he moved up to Boro. If I recall he first came off the bench but thereafter was a regular in the starting XI. He's that good. It could be argued that Boro missed out on promotion as AJ got injured and missed the play-offs. He's an excellent footballer, brilliant feet, way beyond his years and full of confidence in his own ability.

I reckon Unai is in for a bit of a pleasant shock; for me AJ is the obvious choice to replace his brother, he's that good. He might not have the physicality of Jacob but he never let anybody bully him in the Championship, he held his own and some.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on July 11, 2023, 02:26:59 PM
			

			

				I think AJ's got to stay and it's more whether we bring in another DM or whether we loan Tim out for more experience. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: London Villan on July 11, 2023, 02:31:44 PM
			

			

				One thing we all know is that Aston Villa never sign the number of players we all think they should.

Keeper                              Free? £10m
Right back                         £20m
Wide forward                     £40m
Striker (better than Oli)      £60m+  

Just can't see us signing four of that quality...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 11, 2023, 02:36:25 PM
			

			

				I'd say a very good right back will cost more than £20m and hopefully a decent back-up keeper less than £10m. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 11, 2023, 02:46:50 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on July 11, 2023, 02:36:25 PM
I'd say a very good right back will cost more than £20m and hopefully a decent back-up keeper less than £10m. 

Didn't our (so far) very good left-back cost around £13m?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on July 11, 2023, 03:21:33 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on July 11, 2023, 02:23:48 PM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 11, 2023, 01:52:24 PM
Is A Ramsey up to it? Not seen much of him. 

Like you I hadn't seen much of him until he moved up to Boro. If I recall he first came off the bench but thereafter was a regular in the starting XI. He's that good. It could be argued that Boro missed out on promotion as AJ got injured and missed the play-offs. He's an excellent footballer, brilliant feet, way beyond his years and full of confidence in his own ability.

I reckon Unai is in for a bit of a pleasant shock; for me AJ is the obvious choice to replace his brother, he's that good. He might not have the physicality of Jacob but he never let anybody bully him in the Championship, he held his own and some.

I would go so far as to say that Aaron Ramsey is better suited to Emerys style of football than Jacob Ramsey...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 11, 2023, 03:42:41 PM
			

			

				I don't think you can put a price on any of it. Kamara was free, Moreno £13m, Bailey £30m and Buendia who's ok don't get me wrong, but still nearly £40m.

It's just getting the right players for good value within what we can afford, be it free or be it £50m.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 11, 2023, 03:51:41 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on July 11, 2023, 02:26:59 PM
I think AJ's got to stay and it's more whether we bring in another DM or whether we loan Tim out for more experience. 

With the likes of Ramsey Jr and Tim, I would like to see them given a chance to show they can do it at this level, but that is categorically not the same as depending on them being able to.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on July 11, 2023, 04:00:18 PM
			

			

				32 days to go.

Still very quiet.

If we're getting that top European forward tomorrow as speculated in the thread then it's going to come out of nowhere.

COME ON VILLA DO SOMETHING! 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on July 11, 2023, 04:02:19 PM
			

			

				Looks like Chukwueze to AC Milan has completely broken down. Can we please snap him up, its 30m. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 11, 2023, 04:23:01 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: villadelph on July 11, 2023, 04:02:19 PM
Looks like Chukwueze to AC Milan has completely broken down. Can we please snap him up, its 30m.

I saw his goal of the season contender v Madrid. Is he consistently good or has that goal elevated his profile?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SamTheMouse on July 11, 2023, 04:38:56 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: villadelph on July 11, 2023, 04:02:19 PM
Looks like Chukwueze to AC Milan has completely broken down. Can we please snap him up, its 30m.

Hopefully that's because he's coming to us instead.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 11, 2023, 04:49:49 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 11, 2023, 03:51:41 PM
Quote from: OCD on July 11, 2023, 02:26:59 PM
I think AJ's got to stay and it's more whether we bring in another DM or whether we loan Tim out for more experience. 

With the likes of Ramsey Jr and Tim, I would like to see them given a chance to show they can do it at this level, but that is categorically not the same as depending on them being able to.

Agreed. The midfield is already strong and I don't see us adding to it unless it's for a brilliant goalscoring10 (I still have a sneaking feeling we haven't given up on Pedro Gonçalves, Sporting saying they don't need to sell him is not the same as saying he's not for sale. My guess is they'd be happier with the money in the bank).

Tim was pulling up trees at QPR until Beale jumped ship and the whole team went downhill. Not his fault. I think he needs coaching more than he needs more experience out on loan. He needs discipline to play his role but was given the keys to Loftus Road which led to undisciplined performances. I don't think anybody doubts his talent. Off the bench this season and starting a few early/easy cup games will do him plus working with quality players every day can only help him.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on July 11, 2023, 05:02:14 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on July 11, 2023, 01:36:44 PM
I think Donk will go and Coutinho very much has a question mark over him for me.

Both will go I'd say the Donk is unfortunate in that he's up against likes of Tielemans, Luiz, Kamara and McGinn for game time, Coutinho is long since finished at this level. I'd keep Chambers though. Handy enough squad player and unlikely on a big contract. Bit surprised we haven't moved on the likes of Nakamba and Sanson as of yet based on their positive loan spells last season. Hause is one I think we need to release "by mutual consent". 

I did think we would have the new RB and sub GK in by now. Obviously Olsen is nowhere near up to it and Young's contract wasn't renewed a while ago now. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on July 11, 2023, 05:04:21 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: SamTheMouse on July 11, 2023, 04:38:56 PM
Quote from: villadelph on July 11, 2023, 04:02:19 PM
Looks like Chukwueze to AC Milan has completely broken down. Can we please snap him up, its 30m.

Hopefully that's because he's coming to us instead.

"He is a non-EU player, and Milan only have one spot left in the squad for someone without a European Union passport, having already signed Ruben Loftus-Cheek from Chelsea." 

Looks like its more to do with non-EU player quota, additionally wanting Pulisic, and the cost.. hopefully, this bodes well for us (if we're interested). 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on July 11, 2023, 05:06:20 PM
			

			

				On my list I split the midfielders into dms and cms but in truth we'd be looking at tim and aj as 7th and 8th choices, not many sides will have more depth than that.

I can see why all the big links have been to players like williams, chiesa, goncalves, etc. If we can sign someone up there who fill 2-3 roles our squad looks really strong right through the middle of the pitch. Backup options in goal and at RB are much simpler to fix and can be eased in over months. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 11, 2023, 05:12:37 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: brontebilly on July 11, 2023, 05:02:14 PM
 Bit surprised we haven't moved on the likes of Nakamba and Sanson as of yet based on their positive loan spells last season. Hause is one I think we need to release "by mutual consent". 

I'm thinking if/when we see one(or more) of the many, many midfielders we've been linked with actually sign, the likes of Donk, Sanson, and Nakamba will be moved on. I don't think we're in a position where we need to sell to buy, but if in the unlikely chance we missed out on all of our targets, we don't want to be left with zero options in midfield. 

As I was discussing in another thread, Bailey is still on international duty, assuming he gets a holiday after that, and with Ramsey out for a few months, we're already looking a little light for preseason in midfield. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 11, 2023, 07:21:41 PM
			

			

				New name I'm seeing this evening, Ibrahim Adel. Egyptian 22 year old left winger. Brighton, Burnley, West Ham, Chelsea, and Brentford all apparently also interested, and Mo Sallah is supposed to have told Liverpool to keep an eye on him last season. He's playing for a team in Egypt at the moment but apparently Brexity work permit issues were a problem, which have now been fixed. 

No idea if it's legit, or if he's any good, but it's nice to see a new name in the mix.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: CT Villan on July 11, 2023, 07:37:30 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on July 11, 2023, 04:00:18 PM
32 days to go.

Still very quiet.

If we're getting that top European forward tomorrow as speculated in the thread then it's going to come out of nowhere.

COME ON VILLA DO SOMETHING! 
 
Probably from some lazy journo hearing we are revealing Torres on Wednesday and thinking Ferran, when it's really Pau.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smithy on July 11, 2023, 07:53:54 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pablo_picasso on July 11, 2023, 03:21:33 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on July 11, 2023, 02:23:48 PM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 11, 2023, 01:52:24 PM
Is A Ramsey up to it? Not seen much of him. 

Like you I hadn't seen much of him until he moved up to Boro. If I recall he first came off the bench but thereafter was a regular in the starting XI. He's that good. It could be argued that Boro missed out on promotion as AJ got injured and missed the play-offs. He's an excellent footballer, brilliant feet, way beyond his years and full of confidence in his own ability.

I reckon Unai is in for a bit of a pleasant shock; for me AJ is the obvious choice to replace his brother, he's that good. He might not have the physicality of Jacob but he never let anybody bully him in the Championship, he held his own and some.

I would go so far as to say that Aaron Ramsey is better suited to Emerys style of football than Jacob Ramsey...

Apart from the highlights which show goal involvements, I saw Ramsey Jnr play one game for Norwich and two for boro before his injury.  He's technically VERY good, perhaps ahead of Jacob at the same age in that respect.  But Jacob is a much more powerful runner with ball, in my opinion.  That might be age, though. It might be Arron has a bit more growing to do yet, and Jacob for example has definitely filled out since the player who went on loan at 19.

He's definitely technically gifted enough to play in an Emery side, so I expect him to be in and around the first team in pre-season.  He's already more than good enough for a top Championship side, so the next step in his development is Premier League minutes, but those minutes will be hard to come by given the strength in depth we now have in midfield.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on July 11, 2023, 07:57:20 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smithy on July 11, 2023, 07:53:54 PM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on July 11, 2023, 03:21:33 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on July 11, 2023, 02:23:48 PM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 11, 2023, 01:52:24 PM
Is A Ramsey up to it? Not seen much of him. 

Like you I hadn't seen much of him until he moved up to Boro. If I recall he first came off the bench but thereafter was a regular in the starting XI. He's that good. It could be argued that Boro missed out on promotion as AJ got injured and missed the play-offs. He's an excellent footballer, brilliant feet, way beyond his years and full of confidence in his own ability.

I reckon Unai is in for a bit of a pleasant shock; for me AJ is the obvious choice to replace his brother, he's that good. He might not have the physicality of Jacob but he never let anybody bully him in the Championship, he held his own and some.

I would go so far as to say that Aaron Ramsey is better suited to Emerys style of football than Jacob Ramsey...

Apart from the highlights which show goal involvements, I saw Ramsey Jnr play one game for Norwich and two for boro before his injury.  He's technically VERY good, perhaps ahead of Jacob at the same age in that respect.  But Jacob is a much more powerful runner with ball, in my opinion.  That might be age, though. It might be Arron has a bit more growing to do yet, and Jacob for example has definitely filled out since the player who went on loan at 19.

He's definitely technically gifted enough to play in an Emery side, so I expect him to be in and around the first team in pre-season.  He's already more than good enough for a top Championship side, so the next step in his development is Premier League minutes, but those minutes will be hard to come by given the strength in depth we now have in midfield.

I don't see any obvious replacement for JJ down the left of our midfield four setup during his injury. Buendia leaves very little cover for Moreno when he plays there so Aaron might get some early chances. Hope he has spent last few weeks in the gym as he definitely needed to fill out a bit. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 11, 2023, 08:05:21 PM
			

			

				Aaron Ramsey might get a run out this weekend at the very least. He was training with the squad yesterday, and we're definitely without Ramsey and Bailey for a few preseason games. 

 The international players aren't back yet either, and a few players haven't been spotted at training, so possible we're without McGinn, Tielemans, Ramsey, Bailey, Dendocker, Sanson, and Coutinho this weekend. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on July 11, 2023, 08:56:02 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 11, 2023, 08:05:21 PM
Aaron Ramsey might get a run out this weekend at the very least. He was training with the squad yesterday, and we're definitely without Ramsey and Bailey for a few preseason games. 

 The international players aren't back yet either, and a few players haven't been spotted at training, so possible we're without McGinn, Tielemans, Ramsey, Bailey, Dendocker, Sanson, and Coutinho this weekend. 

Normally they completely change the team at half time in the first friendly in pre-season. Loads of the kids should get chances, including the likes of Bogarde, Feeney, Young, Patterson, O'Reilly, Kellyman, Richards and Barry. Maybe Wilson too. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on July 11, 2023, 09:11:28 PM
			

			

				We haven't got a keeper at the moment either with Emi and Olson still away. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 11, 2023, 09:15:37 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on July 11, 2023, 09:11:28 PM
We haven't got a keeper at the moment either with Emi and Olson still away.

Anyone going bring your own gloves, you might get a game.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on July 11, 2023, 09:17:14 PM
			

			

				Why is Olsen away? Not that I’m distressed by the news. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 11, 2023, 09:19:29 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PeterWithe on July 11, 2023, 09:17:14 PM
Why is Olsen away? Not that I’m distressed by the news. 

I think - for reasons best known to themselves - he's Sweden's number one.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 11, 2023, 09:27:08 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 11, 2023, 09:15:37 PM
Quote from: Steve67 on July 11, 2023, 09:11:28 PM
We haven't got a keeper at the moment either with Emi and Olson still away.

Anyone going bring your own gloves, you might get a game.

Get this fella in for the weekend. https://twitter.com/patmccarry/status/1678082076535341062

Even gets pumped up like Emi. https://twitter.com/buff_egan/status/1678098290284306434
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 11, 2023, 09:32:12 PM
			

			

				Bit of a cheat using a hockey stick though.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on July 11, 2023, 09:38:35 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 11, 2023, 09:19:29 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on July 11, 2023, 09:17:14 PM
Why is Olsen away? Not that I’m distressed by the news. 

I think - for reasons best known to themselves - he's Sweden's number one.

Do you happen to know, at what?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 11, 2023, 09:42:54 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PeterWithe on July 11, 2023, 09:38:35 PM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 11, 2023, 09:19:29 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on July 11, 2023, 09:17:14 PM
Why is Olsen away? Not that I’m distressed by the news. 

I think - for reasons best known to themselves - he's Sweden's number one.

Do you happen to know, at what?

Something to do with the competitive assembly of Ikea meatballs.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Des Little on July 11, 2023, 09:49:21 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PeterWithe on July 11, 2023, 09:38:35 PM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 11, 2023, 09:19:29 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on July 11, 2023, 09:17:14 PM
Why is Olsen away? Not that I’m distressed by the news. 

I think - for reasons best known to themselves - he's Sweden's number one.

Do you happen to know, at what?

Being the cause of night terrors 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 11, 2023, 09:57:40 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PeterWithe on July 11, 2023, 09:38:35 PM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 11, 2023, 09:19:29 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on July 11, 2023, 09:17:14 PM
Why is Olsen away? Not that I’m distressed by the news. 

I think - for reasons best known to themselves - he's Sweden's number one.

Do you happen to know, at what?

Noir drama.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on July 11, 2023, 10:11:32 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smithy on July 11, 2023, 07:53:54 PM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on July 11, 2023, 03:21:33 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on July 11, 2023, 02:23:48 PM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 11, 2023, 01:52:24 PM
Is A Ramsey up to it? Not seen much of him. 

Like you I hadn't seen much of him until he moved up to Boro. If I recall he first came off the bench but thereafter was a regular in the starting XI. He's that good. It could be argued that Boro missed out on promotion as AJ got injured and missed the play-offs. He's an excellent footballer, brilliant feet, way beyond his years and full of confidence in his own ability.

I reckon Unai is in for a bit of a pleasant shock; for me AJ is the obvious choice to replace his brother, he's that good. He might not have the physicality of Jacob but he never let anybody bully him in the Championship, he held his own and some.

I would go so far as to say that Aaron Ramsey is better suited to Emerys style of football than Jacob Ramsey...

Apart from the highlights which show goal involvements, I saw Ramsey Jnr play one game for Norwich and two for boro before his injury.  He's technically VERY good, perhaps ahead of Jacob at the same age in that respect.  But Jacob is a much more powerful runner with ball, in my opinion.  That might be age, though. It might be Arron has a bit more growing to do yet, and Jacob for example has definitely filled out since the player who went on loan at 19.

He's definitely technically gifted enough to play in an Emery side, so I expect him to be in and around the first team in pre-season.  He's already more than good enough for a top Championship side, so the next step in his development is Premier League minutes, but those minutes will be hard to come by given the strength in depth we now have in midfield.

I agree, he has a little filling out to do. 

Im Hoping that he shares Jacob Ramseys ability to put on muscle. 

From what I have read somewhere, their father is a boxer, so I imagine the genes are pretty good, lol.

But even with being a little light, I still think he could fit into Emerys system quickly due to his technical ability & his desire to demand the ball & manipulate it in tight spaces. I admit, I didn't see much of him at Norwich, I think only one game from memory, but I watched a lot of Boro & he really impressed me.

You are right, Jacob Ramsey has a more direct & dynamic running style. And he's probably a more rounded midfielder in terms of the defensive side of his game. 

But Aaron Ramsey has the ability to take the ball in tight spaces & make something happen. He also makes lovely late runs into the box off the ball to give an option. 

Would be interesting to see Jacob Ramsey on the right & Aaron Ramsey on the left...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on July 11, 2023, 10:13:52 PM
			

			

				His name set down on paper does set off a kind of bleak, hopelessness. A dour forebidding the most depressing of Scandi wordsmiths couldn’t hope to match, if they wrote our team sheets. 


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 11, 2023, 10:20:03 PM
			

			

				Pretty sure there's a pic of him in the training gallery on the site, if anyone thinks they can tell if he's bulked up just by looking at him. 


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on July 11, 2023, 10:23:05 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 11, 2023, 10:20:03 PM
Pretty sure there's a pic of him in the training gallery on the site, if anyone thinks they can tell if he's bulked up just by looking at him.
Its hard to tell by the angle in terms of his upper torso, but I don't think his arms have changed too much...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 11, 2023, 10:25:53 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pablo_picasso on July 11, 2023, 10:23:05 PM
Its hard to tell by the angle in terms of his upper torso, but I dint think his arms have changed too much...

He's on his own in it too so can't compare him to anyone. Stupid photographers! It's like they don't want us to speculate on players physical attributes because we're bored in the off season! 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on July 12, 2023, 12:57:12 AM
			

			

				
TOM COLLOMOSSE: Aston Villa's past transfer mistakes serve as a warning to Unai Emery... but the Spaniard's calmer approach with the signings of Youri Tielemans and Pau Torres suggests the message has got through
By Tom Collomosse For The Daily Mail
Updated 21:56, 11 Jul 2023

Aston Villa spent the £100m they received for Jack Grealish on some big names. 
That strategy did not pay off, but it seems they have learned from their mistakes 

Aston Villa's strategy in replacing Jack Grealish two summers ago should serve as a warning that simply having money is no guarantee of improving your team.

Villa spent the £100million they received from Manchester City on Emiliano Buendia, Danny Ings and Leon Bailey. 

Ings was sold to West Ham barely 18 months later and Bailey is for sale this summer. Of the trio – signed under Dean Smith – only Buendia has been even a qualified success.

Unless you have unlimited wealth to back a rock-solid plan, the modern transfer market is fiendishly difficult to nail, even when a club has billionaire owners. That is why supporters should take heart that Villa seem to have shelved their early-window giddiness in favour of a sensible, realistic approach.

Youri Tielemans has arrived on a free after running down his contract at Leicester while Pau Torres – not long ago one of Europe’s most coveted centre-backs – is poised to join from Villarreal for £31million this week. 

Unai Emery seems to have learned from Aston Villa's past mistakes in the transfer window

Villa sold Jack Grealish to Manchester City in 2021 on a mammoth £100million deal but failed to use their spending from his sale wisely during that same summer transfer window

Leon Bailey joined Villa in 2021 for £25milliion

Danny Ings was also signed in the summer of 2021 for £25m

Tielemans is a proven Premier League performer while Torres was part of the Villarreal side who reached the Champions League semi-finals two years ago under current Villa boss Unai Emery.

This is more like it. No point wasting time trying to sign Marco Asensio, who was available for nothing after leaving Real Madrid but always felt like a foolish target.

Was a 27-year-old with three Champions League winner’s medals really going to sign for Villa? If he had done so, his salary would have had his new team-mates knocking on the manager’s door pretty quickly, and there is no easier way to damage team spirit than by paying a new signing far more than the majority of your squad. 

The disastrous deal for Philippe Coutinho should have taught Villa a valuable lesson and it is probably better all round that Asensio has joined Paris St Germain.

With Monchi poached from Sevilla to lead recruitment and Emery in the dugout, Villa were always going to look to LaLiga to improve their squad. Expect that to continue.

They desperately want a wide man and Leicester’s Harvey Barnes, who appears set to join Newcastle, was on the list but not top of it. 

The same applies to Nottingham Forest star Brennan Johnson, while Villa are thought to have asked Bayer Leverkusen about Moussa Diaby last weekend. Emery is a huge admirer of Nico Williams but the Athletic Bilbao flier appears more likely to stay where he is.

Villa also want a forward to be both partner and alternative to Ollie Watkins and the beauty of Diaby is his versatility, though the Frenchman is valued at £50m, which would break Villa’s transfer record. Ferran Torres, the former Manchester City man now at Barcelona, is another in that category though that deal feels like a slow burner.

Villa are also lining up a move for Bayer Leverkusen's Moussa Diaby who could be a very astute signing but is available for £50m

Both Diaby and Torres would improve Villa’s options without upsetting the apple cart. Because in his first six months at Villa Park, Emery quickly found a way to make this squad fulfil its potential.

Outside the chosen few, Villa should be one of the teams to beat this season, as long as they can handle a Europa Conference League campaign alongside their domestic commitments.

If he can stay fit, Boubacar Kamara could be one of the stars of the season while Emiliano Martinez, Tyrone Mings, Jacob Ramsey, Douglas Luiz and Watkins were among the best performers in the league under Emery. 

Ramsey faces a spell on the sidelines with a broken foot but there is no reason why the other four should not pick up where they left off, even though Emery has never seemed entirely convinced by Martinez, who may not be his long-term solution in goal.

When Villa reorganised their football structure to leave Monchi, Emery and director of football operations Damia Vidagany at the wheel, it would have been tempting to do a great deal in a hurry. 

The most important thing, however, is for Villa to understand that they already have a strong squad and their calm approach to the start of the window suggests the message has got through.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Scott Nielsen on July 12, 2023, 02:15:39 AM
			

			

				Mmm. If that is accurate the much vaunted spending spree won't happen. Again. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on July 12, 2023, 02:30:28 AM
			

			

				Alternatively, if we signed Diaby/ Johnson, Torres late in the window, Kessie/ Adams/ McKennie in midfield as has been the consistent links, and pulled a right back backup/ competition out the hat, it would cost upwards of a further £120m this window, and would indeed have been a pretty large spending spree. Nothing in that article suggested not spending big money, it just suggested that our strategy is to take our time and get who we want. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on July 12, 2023, 06:49:38 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Scott Nielsen on July 12, 2023, 02:15:39 AM
Mmm. If that is accurate the much vaunted spending spree won't happen. Again. 

Not sure I read that article that way. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on July 12, 2023, 07:10:10 AM
			

			

				It’s one of those articles where you can take it to mean whatever you want depending on whichever way you want to believe it

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on July 12, 2023, 07:17:10 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Scott Nielsen on July 12, 2023, 02:15:39 AM
Mmm. If that is accurate the much vaunted spending spree won't happen. Again.
It didn’t say anything, just a page filler.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: frank black on July 12, 2023, 08:17:07 AM
			

			

				A very vague commentary and opinion piece. 

I’d accept a sensible window. An attacker of some type and a backup keeper. Then perhaps some tinkering in January. I can’t say I ever expected us to have a splurge, especially when the Barca guy did a u turn.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on July 12, 2023, 08:30:07 AM
			

			

				That article is terrible, not only is it vague but the point it's making is just dumb. The 'mistake' we need to learn from is that signings which aren't successful are bad and we should avoid those. I wish he'd told us years ago!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 12, 2023, 08:33:42 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on July 12, 2023, 08:30:07 AM
That article is terrible, not only is it vague but the point it's making is just dumb. The 'mistake' we need to learn from is that signings which aren't successful are bad and we should avoid those. I wish he'd told us years ago!

Was just about to post the same, it's mostly just stating the bleeding obvious. It's also poor, because it mentions Diaby as two potential signings, and then repeats the total bollocks about Emery not being a fan of Martinez, when anybody who watches us can see Emi is absolutely crucial to how we play, and he just happens to be brilliant at it.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on July 12, 2023, 08:38:58 AM
			

			

				Yeah the guy is pretty respected but I think that article is just righting something.  The mistake wasn’t spending big - it was buying players without any idea of how to use them - see Danny Ings particularly. 

Bailey and Beundia weren’t so much mistakes - they just haven’t kicked on in the way that some of other other signings have.  

I would be shocked if we don’t sign Torres plus at least 1 more big signing and a squad player or 2 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: lovejoy on July 12, 2023, 08:49:26 AM
			

			

				I’m not sure we could spend the money on all those players even if they wanted to come, it’s pretty unrealistic. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on July 12, 2023, 09:23:34 AM
			

			

				Reports today that we have put an offer in for Diaby.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 12, 2023, 09:41:46 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 12, 2023, 09:23:34 AM
Reports today that we have put an offer in for Diaby.

He looks very similar to Bailey on U tube  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on July 12, 2023, 09:47:17 AM
			

			

				That is a dreadful article, I thought Collomosse was better than that tbh.

I don't think the copy-paste helps as I suspect some of the repetition is from photo sub-titles.  But even so it reads badly and says nothing other than we're trying to buy players who won't be shit.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on July 12, 2023, 09:59:03 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on July 12, 2023, 09:47:17 AM
That is a dreadful article, I thought Collomosse was better than that tbh.

I don't think the copy-paste helps as I suspect some of the repetition is from photo sub-titles.  But even so it reads badly and says nothing other than we're trying to buy players who won't be shit.

All of those players have contributed in some way as well, they were hardly massive failures. Bailey gets some stick and is inconsistent, but again he was involved in loads of key goals last season, much like Buendia.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on July 12, 2023, 10:06:03 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on July 12, 2023, 09:47:17 AM
That is a dreadful article, I thought Collomosse was better than that tbh.

I don't think the copy-paste helps as I suspect some of the repetition is from photo sub-titles.  But even so it reads badly and says nothing other than we're trying to buy players who won't be shit.

The copy paste was edited by me too, there was so much crap in it, I deleted the immediately obvious. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Joe S on July 12, 2023, 10:06:41 AM
			

			

				The Twitter rumours / nonsense / filler this morning:

Moussa Diaby: Aston Villa have now submitted an opening bid for Bayer Leverkusen winger Moussa Diaby. Offer thought to be around €28 million and will be swiftly rejected however Aston Villa will return with another bid soon.
Ibrahim Adel: Aston Villa are one of a number of Premier League clubs keeping tabs on 22-year old Egyptian winger Ibrahim Adel, who currently plays for Pyramids FC in Egypt
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 12, 2023, 10:18:24 AM
			

			

				"Pyramids FC" - great name for an Egyptian club.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on July 12, 2023, 10:18:48 AM
			

			

				Nigel Sphinx has been scouting the lad from Pyramids FC, says he's a top Giza but will cost a pharaoh packet. The player has issued a denile that he's submitted a transfer request, he in no rushes to move.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: JD on July 12, 2023, 10:26:30 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on July 12, 2023, 10:18:48 AM
Nigel Sphinx has been scouting the lad from Pyramids FC, says he's a top Giza but will cost a pharaoh packet. The player has issued a denile that he's submitted a transfer request, he in no rushes to move.

I've heard that he's not that old and doesn't want to leave his Mummy. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on July 12, 2023, 10:39:10 AM
			

			

				He’s a pharaoh player. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 12, 2023, 10:55:09 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on July 12, 2023, 10:39:10 AM
He’s a pharaoh player. 

I think we are covered in that role by Jacob Ramses.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: aj2k77 on July 12, 2023, 11:00:13 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on July 12, 2023, 10:18:48 AM
Nigel Sphinx has been scouting the lad from Pyramids FC, says he's a top Giza but will cost a pharaoh packet. The player has issued a denile that he's submitted a transfer request, he in no rushes to move.

I normally hate puns but this is legendary.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on July 12, 2023, 11:02:01 AM
			

			

				I think he also qualifies for the Pharaoh Islands. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: rob_bridge on July 12, 2023, 11:08:35 AM
			

			

				Winger not a forward like Ian (Bull)Rush
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on July 12, 2023, 11:18:51 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 12, 2023, 10:18:24 AM
"Pyramids FC" - great name for an Egyptian club.

With a name like that, they're a p(h)arody of a club. Egypt Eejits would be better.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on July 12, 2023, 11:22:32 AM
			

			

				It does seem appropriate for the british to go and take the treasures from Pyramid FC though.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 12, 2023, 11:23:43 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: rob_bridge on July 12, 2023, 11:08:35 AM
Winger not a forward like Ian (Bull)Rush

Nile Quinn
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on July 12, 2023, 11:24:25 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: aj2k77 on July 12, 2023, 11:00:13 AM
Quote from: LeeB on July 12, 2023, 10:18:48 AM
Nigel Sphinx has been scouting the lad from Pyramids FC, says he's a top Giza but will cost a pharaoh packet. The player has issued a denile that he's submitted a transfer request, he in no rushes to move.

I normally hate puns but this is legendary.

I tried to avoid a punfest by getting them all in one post, but there's tomb many 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 12, 2023, 11:25:19 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 12, 2023, 10:18:24 AM
"Pyramids FC" - great name for an Egyptian club.

Do you think Egyptians say the same about Crystal Palace?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: rob_bridge on July 12, 2023, 11:26:09 AM
			

			

				Anyone know who gave the Commandment to look at him
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 12, 2023, 11:29:23 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Joe S on July 12, 2023, 10:06:41 AM
Ibrahim Adel: Aston Villa are one of a number of Premier League clubs keeping tabs on 22-year old Egyptian winger Ibrahim Adel, who currently plays for Pyramids FC in Egypt

Hmm...not sure about this one, probably reached his peak at 21.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on July 12, 2023, 11:34:52 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Joe S on July 12, 2023, 10:06:41 AM
The Twitter rumours / nonsense / filler this morning:

Moussa Diaby: Aston Villa have now submitted an opening bid for Bayer Leverkusen winger Moussa Diaby. Offer thought to be around €28 million and will be swiftly rejected however Aston Villa will return with another bid soon.

The article I saw said Leverkusen expect to sell him this summer and feel our initial offer was good for an initial offer. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: KevinGage on July 12, 2023, 12:05:06 PM
			

			

				It rarely happens in football, obv. 

But with his past success there, a swap involving Bailey and some £ on top would make sense. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on July 12, 2023, 12:05:16 PM
			

			

				Sounds like Sinisalo is going out on loan to Exeter on a season long loan after Saturday's game. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave P on July 12, 2023, 12:32:25 PM
			

			

				Genuine question, as I know people watch a lot more German football than me, is Diaby any good and would he be a good fit?  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 12, 2023, 12:38:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave P on July 12, 2023, 12:32:25 PM
Genuine question, as I know people watch a lot more German football than me, is Diaby any good and would he be a good fit? 

Yes, he's really good. Really kicked on when Leverkusen needed someone to replace the speedy creativity of Leon Bailey when he left.

So he should be ideal - but in much the same way that Bailey should have been ideal.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 12, 2023, 12:53:52 PM
			

			

				We're being linked with Maguire again, Dwight Yorke apparently telling him Villa would be a great move for him. 

To be fair to Maguire, I watched a video on YouTube talking about his "downfall" and they made some really valid points about his past levels, how he performs for England, and the general shit show that has been swirling around Utd the past few seasons. However, even if he moved to a club where the manager backed him 100%, and he was to get back to his peak form, he's doesn't suit our style of play at all. 

I just don't understand the insistence of linking him with us all summer. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 12, 2023, 12:58:51 PM
			

			

				I think Chambers is fine for our "fifth choice centre back" needs.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rigadon on July 12, 2023, 01:03:52 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 12, 2023, 12:53:52 PM
We're being linked with Maguire again, Dwight Yorke apparently telling him Villa would be a great move for him. 

To be fair to Maguire, I watched a video on YouTube talking about his "downfall" and they made some really valid points about his past levels, how he performs for England, and the general shit show that has been swirling around Utd the past few seasons. However, even if he moved to a club where the manager backed him 100%, and he was to get back to his peak form, he's doesn't suit our style of play at all. 

I just don't understand the insistence of linking him with us all summer. 

Seems Dwight's opinion of the two clubs involved in this (shit) rumour is the same as it was in the 1990's when he fucked off up there.  Not good enough for 'Utd' but we should snap him up.  Right oh.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on July 12, 2023, 01:05:53 PM
			

			

				Dwight Yorke is a bellend. Great player, but a bellend.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: rob_bridge on July 12, 2023, 01:06:38 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 12, 2023, 12:53:52 PM
We're being linked with Maguire again, Dwight Yorke apparently telling him Villa would be a great move for him. 

To be fair to Maguire, I watched a video on YouTube talking about his "downfall" and they made some really valid points about his past levels, how he performs for England, and the general shit show that has been swirling around Utd the past few seasons. However, even if he moved to a club where the manager backed him 100%, and he was to get back to his peak form, he's doesn't suit our style of play at all. 

I just don't understand the insistence of linking him with us all summer.

Macguire is on 200k per week we won't be signing him unless ManU pay off his contract
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 12, 2023, 01:07:21 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rigadon on July 12, 2023, 01:03:52 PM

Seems Dwight's opinion of the two clubs involved in this (shit) rumour is the same as it was in the 1990's when he fucked off up there.  Not good enough for 'Utd' but we should snap him up.  Right oh. 

It does feel like that's the sort of thinking behind the rumour existing at all. Like everyone has accepted he's not good enough for Utd and needs to drop down a bit, and we're deemed an acceptable level to drop to. The fact the rumour persists even after we've signed Torres and now have 4 options in the centre of defence is baffling though. Gareth Southgate is the only one starting Maguire over any of our 4. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Small Rodent on July 12, 2023, 01:08:21 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on July 12, 2023, 12:05:16 PM
Sounds like Sinisalo is going out on loan to Exeter on a season long loan after Saturday's game.

We need another keeper then to sit with Olsen on the bench.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: mallo on July 12, 2023, 01:09:12 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 12, 2023, 12:53:52 PM
We're being linked with Maguire again, Dwight Yorke apparently telling him Villa would be a great move for him. 

To be fair to Maguire, I watched a video on YouTube talking about his "downfall" and they made some really valid points about his past levels, how he performs for England, and the general shit show that has been swirling around Utd the past few seasons. However, even if he moved to a club where the manager backed him 100%, and he was to get back to his peak form, he's doesn't suit our style of play at all. 

I just don't understand the insistence of linking him with us all summer. 

Maguire is the antithesis of a football playing centre half - he is terrible with the ball. This is never going to happen. I'm glad as well - too much baggage.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: sid1964 on July 12, 2023, 01:10:18 PM
			

			

				Seems as though Diaby has doubts about joining us - probably wants to join a Champions League club.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: rob_bridge on July 12, 2023, 01:11:21 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: mallo on July 12, 2023, 01:09:12 PM
Quote from: AV84 on July 12, 2023, 12:53:52 PM
We're being linked with Maguire again, Dwight Yorke apparently telling him Villa would be a great move for him. 

To be fair to Maguire, I watched a video on YouTube talking about his "downfall" and they made some really valid points about his past levels, how he performs for England, and the general shit show that has been swirling around Utd the past few seasons. However, even if he moved to a club where the manager backed him 100%, and he was to get back to his peak form, he's doesn't suit our style of play at all. 

I just don't understand the insistence of linking him with us all summer. 

Maguire is the antithesis of a football playing centre half - he is terrible with the ball. This is never going to happen. I'm glad as well - too much baggage.

Yes he needs to go to Burnley, Sheff Utd, Bournemouth or the like even as loan. Not being funny a team where they will defend a lot and the game in front of them
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 12, 2023, 01:16:17 PM
			

			

				Interesting to see the view players from outside the UK have of us. It's understandable but still interesting. I would think, depending on your age, we should be quite an exciting prospect for anyone who doesn't have a "top" club already sniffing around. If you're knocking on for 30 and want to play in the Champions League then we're probably not what you're looking for. But if you've only just turned 24, and could still get a "big" move in 2 or 3 seasons time, then why not back yourself to be part of what Emery is trying to do? 

(Obviously I'm aware football decisions are rarely ruled by logic)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Joe S on July 12, 2023, 01:18:16 PM
			

			

				More Twitter

Franck Kessié: Aston Villa have begun talks with Barcelona, for Franck Kessié. Villa offered €20m but Barça don’t plan to sell for less than €30m. Negotiations are however open so there are many numbers that Kessié ends up playing under Unai Emery's orders
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on July 12, 2023, 01:24:15 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 12, 2023, 12:53:52 PM
We're being linked with Maguire again, Dwight Yorke apparently telling him Villa would be a great move for him. 
Oh, I agree with Dwight there, coming to Villa would be a great move for him.

It would also be a great move for me, given that I'm a slightly podgy, unfit, balding, dyspraxic 41 year old.  However, I'm not sure that it'd be a such great move for the club, which is maybe more the point ...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Hookeysmith on July 12, 2023, 01:24:49 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on July 12, 2023, 10:18:48 AM
Nigel Sphinx has been scouting the lad from Pyramids FC, says he's a top Giza but will cost a pharaoh packet. The player has issued a denile that he's submitted a transfer request, he in no rushes to move.

Bravo Sir
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on July 12, 2023, 01:26:49 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: rob_bridge on July 12, 2023, 01:11:21 PM
Quote from: mallo on July 12, 2023, 01:09:12 PM
Quote from: AV84 on July 12, 2023, 12:53:52 PM
We're being linked with Maguire again, Dwight Yorke apparently telling him Villa would be a great move for him. 

To be fair to Maguire, I watched a video on YouTube talking about his "downfall" and they made some really valid points about his past levels, how he performs for England, and the general shit show that has been swirling around Utd the past few seasons. However, even if he moved to a club where the manager backed him 100%, and he was to get back to his peak form, he's doesn't suit our style of play at all. 

I just don't understand the insistence of linking him with us all summer. 

Maguire is the antithesis of a football playing centre half - he is terrible with the ball. This is never going to happen. I'm glad as well - too much baggage.

Yes he needs to go to Burnley, Sheff Utd, Bournemouth or the like even as loan. Not being funny a team where they will defend a lot and the game in front of them

I think you're closer to the truth than Mallo.

Maguire is decent on the ball, his touch is pretty sound and his range of passing is above average in this league. He's also exceptional in the air which makes him a big threat from corners.

His problem is that he's just too slow, both outright pace but also, critically, on the turn. Almost every foul he commits is to take out a striker that has done him on the turn and will be away if he doesn't kick them. At ManU he gets away with a lot of those but at most other clubs he'd be a walking yellow card. For England we have so many players in defensive roles that there's always cover so his flaws aren't so exposed but he'd be about as poor a choice as I can imagine for Villa, with our very attacking left back and highline he'd be destroyed within a month. There's absolutely no chance emery is interested unless he's planning to play a completely different game next season, but that would mean changing to a system that all 3 of his major signings so far aren't suited to.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on July 12, 2023, 01:27:49 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: algy on July 12, 2023, 01:24:15 PM
Quote from: AV84 on July 12, 2023, 12:53:52 PM
We're being linked with Maguire again, Dwight Yorke apparently telling him Villa would be a great move for him. 
Oh, I agree with Dwight there, coming to Villa would be a great move for him.

It would also be a great move for me, given that I'm a slightly podgy, unfit, balding, dyspraxic 41 year old.  However, I'm not sure that it'd be a such great move for the club, which is maybe more the point ...

No need to include the balding part, some of the greatest of all time were follicly challenged (Zidane, Charlton, Robben, Roberto Carlos...) 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Hookeysmith on July 12, 2023, 01:30:02 PM
			

			

				The problem is he is yet another over hyped player that Red filth got sucked into believing he was was a world beater for a ridiculous fee to only to find out he is bang average

Add to the long list they have done it with
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on July 12, 2023, 01:37:11 PM
			

			

				Oh Dwight, next time you are going for a job at a top club, someone will drag out this quote which shows a lack of knowledge beyond belief.

Just go away and leave us alone you clown.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 12, 2023, 01:43:09 PM
			

			

				It's the fact they've slapped a 50million price tag on Maguire that gets me. Nobody is going to pay that for someone who isn't going to be a starter, and there's not a lot of clubs in a position to want him as a starter and be able to afford it. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on July 12, 2023, 01:43:39 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 12, 2023, 01:43:09 PM
It's the fact they've slapped a 50million price tag on Maguire that gets me. Nobody is going to pay that for someone who isn't going to be a starter, and there's not a lot of clubs in a position to want him as a starter and be able to afford it.

They'll be lucky to loan him out and only eat half his wages. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: mike on July 12, 2023, 02:01:01 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on July 12, 2023, 01:27:49 PM
Quote from: algy on July 12, 2023, 01:24:15 PM
Quote from: AV84 on July 12, 2023, 12:53:52 PM
We're being linked with Maguire again, Dwight Yorke apparently telling him Villa would be a great move for him. 
Oh, I agree with Dwight there, coming to Villa would be a great move for him.

It would also be a great move for me, given that I'm a slightly podgy, unfit, balding, dyspraxic 41 year old.  However, I'm not sure that it'd be a such great move for the club, which is maybe more the point ...

No need to include the balding part, some of the greatest of all time were follicly challenged (Zidane, Charlton, Robben, Roberto Carlos...) 

Steve Stone, Alan Wright...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Tayls_7 on July 12, 2023, 02:15:40 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: mike on July 12, 2023, 02:01:01 PM
Quote from: Smirker on July 12, 2023, 01:27:49 PM
Quote from: algy on July 12, 2023, 01:24:15 PM
Quote from: AV84 on July 12, 2023, 12:53:52 PM
We're being linked with Maguire again, Dwight Yorke apparently telling him Villa would be a great move for him. 
Oh, I agree with Dwight there, coming to Villa would be a great move for him.

It would also be a great move for me, given that I'm a slightly podgy, unfit, balding, dyspraxic 41 year old.  However, I'm not sure that it'd be a such great move for the club, which is maybe more the point ...

No need to include the balding part, some of the greatest of all time were follicly challenged (Zidane, Charlton, Robben, Roberto Carlos...) 

Steve Stone, Alan Wright...

Danny Murphy  :o
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bobby Boy on July 12, 2023, 02:16:38 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: mike on July 12, 2023, 02:01:01 PM
Quote from: Smirker on July 12, 2023, 01:27:49 PM
Quote from: algy on July 12, 2023, 01:24:15 PM
Quote from: AV84 on July 12, 2023, 12:53:52 PM
We're being linked with Maguire again, Dwight Yorke apparently telling him Villa would be a great move for him. 
Oh, I agree with Dwight there, coming to Villa would be a great move for him.

It would also be a great move for me, given that I'm a slightly podgy, unfit, balding, dyspraxic 41 year old.  However, I'm not sure that it'd be a such great move for the club, which is maybe more the point ...

No need to include the balding part, some of the greatest of all time were follicly challenged (Zidane, Charlton, Robben, Roberto Carlos...) 

Steve Stone, Alan Wright...

....Stephen Ireland.....I'll get me coat!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Astnor on July 12, 2023, 02:31:57 PM
			

			

				Having watched some youtube (I know!), I like the look of Diaby.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on July 12, 2023, 02:34:35 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Astnor on July 12, 2023, 02:31:57 PM
Having watched some youtube (I know!), I like the look of Diaby.

He seems a lot more disciplined than Leon and looks to be very useful in the final third.. in the Bundesliga, of course. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 12, 2023, 03:10:49 PM
			

			

				It's been 10 minutes since we announced Torres, have we signed anyone else yet? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: peckvillajunior on July 12, 2023, 03:27:45 PM
			

			

				The idea that Maguire plays well for England....95% of England games are against Championship level opposition at best. Hardly any of them press and plenty don't even attack at all. And then we lose to a good team

He's not as bad as some make out but international football isn't a good basis to judge anything
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: murgsy on July 12, 2023, 03:37:46 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: villadelph on July 12, 2023, 02:34:35 PM
Quote from: Astnor on July 12, 2023, 02:31:57 PM
Having watched some youtube (I know!), I like the look of Diaby.

He seems a lot more disciplined than Leon and looks to be very useful in the final third.. in the Bundesliga, of course. 

My reaction was the opposite - even the YT highlights reel didn't seem that impressive - but what do I know....:) - I thought Bailey was a world-beater 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villatillidie25 on July 12, 2023, 04:28:37 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: murgsy on July 12, 2023, 03:37:46 PM
Quote from: villadelph on July 12, 2023, 02:34:35 PM
Quote from: Astnor on July 12, 2023, 02:31:57 PM
Having watched some youtube (I know!), I like the look of Diaby.

He seems a lot more disciplined than Leon and looks to be very useful in the final third.. in the Bundesliga, of course. 

My reaction was the opposite - even the YT highlights reel didn't seem that impressive - but what do I know....:) - I thought Bailey was a world-beater 

He looks very similar to Bailey to be honest but then i'm not sure what we'd expect a YouTube highlights reel of a winger to show (other than dribbling, scoring, assisting). But his style of play looks similar to what you'd have seen on a Bailey YouTube from his time in the Bundesliga. 
Probably doesn't prove anything other than YouTube videos are useless for scouting purposes! :P
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 12, 2023, 04:44:32 PM
			

			

				56 year old Kazuyoshi Miura has had his loan contract extended at Oliveirense. So that's one forward option gone. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: FatSam on July 12, 2023, 04:58:02 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bobby Boy on July 12, 2023, 02:16:38 PM
Quote from: mike on July 12, 2023, 02:01:01 PM
Quote from: Smirker on July 12, 2023, 01:27:49 PM
Quote from: algy on July 12, 2023, 01:24:15 PM
Quote from: AV84 on July 12, 2023, 12:53:52 PM
We're being linked with Maguire again, Dwight Yorke apparently telling him Villa would be a great move for him. 
Oh, I agree with Dwight there, coming to Villa would be a great move for him.

It would also be a great move for me, given that I'm a slightly podgy, unfit, balding, dyspraxic 41 year old.  However, I'm not sure that it'd be a such great move for the club, which is maybe more the point ...

No need to include the balding part, some of the greatest of all time were follicly challenged (Zidane, Charlton, Robben, Roberto Carlos...) 

Steve Stone, Alan Wright...

....Stephen Ireland.....I'll get me coat!
My personal favourite; Ivan de la Pena, the little Buddha!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on July 12, 2023, 04:59:19 PM
			

			

				Is that in Walking Football? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on July 12, 2023, 05:07:05 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 12, 2023, 04:44:32 PM
56 year old Kazuyoshi Miura has had his loan contract extended at Oliveirense. So that's one forward option gone.
He's had a mad career.  Before he went to Oliveirense he was on loan at the wonderfully named 'Suzuka Point Getters'.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on July 12, 2023, 05:12:36 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on July 12, 2023, 01:27:49 PM
Quote from: algy on July 12, 2023, 01:24:15 PM
Quote from: AV84 on July 12, 2023, 12:53:52 PM
We're being linked with Maguire again, Dwight Yorke apparently telling him Villa would be a great move for him. 
Oh, I agree with Dwight there, coming to Villa would be a great move for him.

It would also be a great move for me, given that I'm a slightly podgy, unfit, balding, dyspraxic 41 year old.  However, I'm not sure that it'd be a such great move for the club, which is maybe more the point ...

No need to include the balding part, some of the greatest of all time were follicly challenged (Zidane, Charlton, Robben, Roberto Carlos...)

He's got no hair, but we don't care, Chrissy, Chrissy Price.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: adrenachrome on July 12, 2023, 05:19:20 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 12, 2023, 04:44:32 PM
56 year old Kazuyoshi Miura has had his loan contract extended at Oliveirense. So that's one forward option gone. 

That's a damn shame.

Kazuyoshi could have done a good job in the hole or at the base of the diamond. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 12, 2023, 05:23:03 PM
			

			

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				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 12, 2023, 05:30:22 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 12, 2023, 04:44:32 PM
56 year old Kazuyoshi Miura has had his loan contract extended at Oliveirense. So that's one forward option gone. 

I'm going to go on a scouting mission next season to see him play. The man's a legend and marketing goldmine. If we sign him I'm pretty sure we'll sell more of his shirts than we do Ollie Watkins in Japan.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on July 12, 2023, 05:34:15 PM
			

			

				Openda off to Leipzig 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 12, 2023, 05:45:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Astnor on July 12, 2023, 02:31:57 PM
Having watched some youtube (I know!), I like the look of Diaby.

I know nothing about him but his stats don’t look that great until recently. Like someone else said, a swap with Bailey might suit all parties.

I’m liking the idea of Brennan Johnson more and more. Knows the league and pulled Forest to safety last season so appears to have a bit of gumption about him. 

I also think he’d be over the moon to play for us where others would see us as a stepping stone. we need a bit of that in the squad.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 12, 2023, 06:12:48 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 12, 2023, 05:34:15 PM
Openda off to Leipzig

Damn. Really like the look of him.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 12, 2023, 06:47:07 PM
			

			

				Reports in Italy saying that Chiesa's agent is trying to make a move to Villa happen, but as reported multiple other places, the player himself sees us as second tier and isn't interested. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on July 12, 2023, 06:48:07 PM
			

			

				Well I think hes second tier so there. 

And his mums not even third tier
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 12, 2023, 06:50:22 PM
			

			

				We're a tier above Juve in European competition this season anyway. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on July 12, 2023, 07:16:28 PM
			

			

				Linked with Joao Felix again, who's been ordered to train with Atletico's kids and seen his number 7 shirt given to Griezmann. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on July 12, 2023, 07:27:16 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 12, 2023, 06:47:07 PM
Reports in Italy saying that Chiesa's agent is trying to make a move to Villa happen, but as reported multiple other places, the player himself sees us as second tier and isn't interested.

Our treatment room is first tier & as that will be where he will spend most of his time, he should be grateful anybody is interested at all...

The dude is put together using chewing gum & toilet paper...

We should move on. 

I respect the fact that we enquired as it shows ambition, but Im not interested in players who aren't interested in us.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 12, 2023, 07:39:15 PM
			

			

				one of Felix/Goncalves   and one of Diaby/Torres/Kudos


better than a threesome with Monica belluci and Halle Berry for me 
tingles everywhere .   Two of these be mindblowing , just cant see Chiesa tho.




			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Small Rodent on July 12, 2023, 07:40:04 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Beard82 on July 12, 2023, 06:48:07 PM
Well I think hes second tier so there. 

And his mums not even third tier

The bus from Brixton to Streatham are staring at  me for laughing out loud.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: N'ZMAV on July 12, 2023, 07:45:31 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on July 12, 2023, 07:16:28 PM
Linked with Joao Felix again, who's been ordered to train with Atletico's kids and seen his number 7 shirt given to Griezmann. 
 looked poor at Chelsea - but that was the standard I suppose
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 12, 2023, 07:50:13 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pablo_picasso on July 12, 2023, 07:27:16 PM

Our treatment room is first tier & as that will be where he will spend most of his time, he should be grateful anybody is interested at all...

The dude is put together using chewing gum & toilet paper...

We should move on. 

I respect the fact that we enquired as it shows ambition, but Im not interested in players who aren't interested in us.


I read last week that we had. The Brum Mail guy that does the Q&A listed a handful of players we'd been linked with and basically said they'd all knocked us back at the first sign of interest.  

The Italian report makes it sound like he wants out of Juve, rather than them wanting rid of him, so obviously the agent is trying to make that happen. 

I agree though. If it's a case of someone like Torres maybe needing to be sold on us because he's leaving his childhood club, a place he loves and that love him, then I can give him time to think it over. If its someone looking to leave a club, but they're ruling us out without any thought for being "second tier" then they can stay where they are. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 12, 2023, 07:53:51 PM
			

			

				Bollocks to anybody who doesn't want to play for a huge team with one of the world's best managers, with Argentina's World Cup winning goalie. They'll all be singing a different tune in a year or two.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 12, 2023, 08:03:29 PM
			

			

				I think Joao Felix should be playing in attacking midfield, rather than up front.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on July 12, 2023, 08:17:00 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Small Rodent on July 12, 2023, 07:40:04 PM
Quote from: Beard82 on July 12, 2023, 06:48:07 PM
Well I think hes second tier so there. 

And his mums not even third tier

The bus from Brixton to Streatham are staring at  me for laughing out loud.

Maybe it's our kookiness. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 12, 2023, 08:20:54 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on July 12, 2023, 07:53:51 PM
Bollocks to anybody who doesn't want to play for a huge team with one of the world's best managers, with Argentina's World Cup winning goalie. They'll all be singing a different tune in a year or two.
Absolutely.

FTIFRO.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on July 12, 2023, 08:25:15 PM
			

			

				I think the knock backs will have more to do with our location rather than Football Club itself
 
I’m not saying we are seen as a massive draw for players in Europe but they would rather be London centric or one of the Champions League northern clubs 

At the moment
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on July 12, 2023, 08:25:53 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on July 12, 2023, 08:17:00 PM
Quote from: Small Rodent on July 12, 2023, 07:40:04 PM
Quote from: Beard82 on July 12, 2023, 06:48:07 PM
Well I think hes second tier so there. 

And his mums not even third tier

The bus from Brixton to Streatham are staring at  me for laughing out loud.

Maybe it's our kookiness.

Maybe, maybe.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: TheMalandro on July 12, 2023, 08:26:24 PM
			

			

				I must be getting old. All these linked players - it reminds me of playing Championship/Player Manager with randomised players.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on July 12, 2023, 08:26:52 PM
			

			

				Love Suede
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ROBBO on July 12, 2023, 08:45:18 PM
			

			

				Baileys hamstrings have been a curse, never looked confident after his second one.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 12, 2023, 08:46:27 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: john e on July 12, 2023, 08:25:15 PM
I think the knock backs will have more to do with our location rather than Football Club itself
 
I’m not saying we are seen as a massive draw for players in Europe but they would rather be London centric or one of the Champions League northern clubs 

At the moment

You probably dont mean them but are Newcastle more appealing than us at the moment, I wonder? 

They do have Champions League, and oil money, but they've said themselves they were ahead of schedule with what they achieved this season. I don't think they were planning on having to build a squad to manage league/cups and Champions League this summer. They could have a similar season to West Ham next year, minus the trophy part. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: jwarry on July 12, 2023, 08:47:01 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: john e on July 12, 2023, 08:25:15 PM
I think the knock backs will have more to do with our location rather than Football Club itself
 
I’m not saying we are seen as a massive draw for players in Europe but they would rather be London centric or one of the Champions League northern clubs 

At the moment

Have you ever been to Manchester?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 12, 2023, 08:48:11 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 12, 2023, 08:46:27 PM
Quote from: john e on July 12, 2023, 08:25:15 PM
I think the knock backs will have more to do with our location rather than Football Club itself
 
I’m not saying we are seen as a massive draw for players in Europe but they would rather be London centric or one of the Champions League northern clubs 

At the moment

You probably dont mean them but are Newcastle more appealing than us at the moment, I wonder? 

They do have Champions League, and oil money, but they've said themselves they were ahead of schedule with what they achieved this season. I don't think they were planning on having to build a squad to manage league/cups and Champions League this summer. They could have a similar season to West Ham next year, minus the trophy part. 

I think they've got too many good players for that to happen now. West Ham bought that donkey from Italy up front and had 48 year old Antonio. Newcastle have players like Maddison, Isak, Guimaraes etc etc.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 12, 2023, 08:57:19 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on July 12, 2023, 08:48:11 PM

I think they've got too many good players for that to happen now. West Ham bought that donkey from Italy up front and had 48 year old Antonio. Newcastle have players like Maddison, Isak, Guimaraes etc etc.

Yeah, I'm sure they'll want to make a good show of it, and it depends on the draw, but it's not highly likely they'll compete beyond the groups, I'd think. Which still allows them plenty of time to focus on the League, and getting Europe again. 

It's definitely going to be an interesting season, especially with Spurs and Chelsea having nothing but the league to focus on. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on July 12, 2023, 08:58:07 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 12, 2023, 08:46:27 PM
Quote from: john e on July 12, 2023, 08:25:15 PM
I think the knock backs will have more to do with our location rather than Football Club itself
 
I’m not saying we are seen as a massive draw for players in Europe but they would rather be London centric or one of the Champions League northern clubs 

At the moment

You probably dont mean them but are Newcastle more appealing than us at the moment, I wonder? 

They do have Champions League, and oil money, but they've said themselves they were ahead of schedule with what they achieved this season. I don't think they were planning on having to build a squad to manage league/cups and Champions League this summer. They could have a similar season to West Ham next year, minus the trophy part. 

Other fans are probably saying similar about us. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 12, 2023, 09:03:56 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on July 12, 2023, 08:58:07 PM
Other fans are probably saying similar about us.

I don't know. I think Emery's goal from he got here was to get us back into Europe. We were in the mix for the other competitions, even if only briefly, but honestly I think Conference is a decent place to start. And I just don't think you need as strong a squad to compete there and in the league, as you do in the Champions League. 

Now obviously Newcastle could still add a bunch of players before the end of the window and be fine. We'll presumably add more too. 

I just think that Newcastle weren't really expecting to be in the Champions League quite so soon, and by all accounts they're not in a position to splash the cash, having to sell to buy. So I think it might be a case of them having to try to catch their plans up to their actual success. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 12, 2023, 09:04:21 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on July 12, 2023, 08:48:11 PM
Quote from: AV84 on July 12, 2023, 08:46:27 PM
Quote from: john e on July 12, 2023, 08:25:15 PM
I think the knock backs will have more to do with our location rather than Football Club itself
 
I’m not saying we are seen as a massive draw for players in Europe but they would rather be London centric or one of the Champions League northern clubs 

At the moment

You probably dont mean them but are Newcastle more appealing than us at the moment, I wonder? 

They do have Champions League, and oil money, but they've said themselves they were ahead of schedule with what they achieved this season. I don't think they were planning on having to build a squad to manage league/cups and Champions League this summer. They could have a similar season to West Ham next year, minus the trophy part. 

I think they've got too many good players for that to happen now. West Ham bought that donkey from Italy up front and had 48 year old Antonio. Newcastle have players like Maddison

Bloody hell, he didn’t last long at Spurs.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 12, 2023, 09:08:43 PM
			

			

				Good spot! Don't know why I put him. D'oh.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on July 12, 2023, 09:42:35 PM
			

			

				Jaoa Felix being linked again. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Hookeysmith on July 12, 2023, 10:21:01 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on July 12, 2023, 09:42:35 PM
Jaoa Felix being linked again. 

Lots on here claimed he was a world beater when Chelsea got him on loan, I could not see it myself.

Anyone tell me otherwise?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave P on July 12, 2023, 10:24:16 PM
			

			

				He was actually ok in a very shit Chelsea team in the second half of the season. Defiantly got something about him. It would be another statement signing but there’s no way he’d want to come to us. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave P on July 12, 2023, 10:24:48 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 12, 2023, 05:34:15 PM
Openda off to Leipzig

Isn’t that a Half Man Half Biscuit album?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john2710 on July 12, 2023, 10:33:19 PM
			

			

				Felix won't be coming here, coupled with the fact than he'd cost a fortune.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RamboandBruno on July 12, 2023, 10:51:09 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 12, 2023, 08:46:27 PM
Quote from: john e on July 12, 2023, 08:25:15 PM
I think the knock backs will have more to do with our location rather than Football Club itself
 
I’m not saying we are seen as a massive draw for players in Europe but they would rather be London centric or one of the Champions League northern clubs 

At the moment

You probably dont mean them but are Newcastle more appealing than us at the moment, I wonder? 

They do have Champions League, and oil money, but they've said themselves they were ahead of schedule with what they achieved this season. I don't think they were planning on having to build a squad to manage league/cups and Champions League this summer. They could have a similar season to West Ham next year, minus the trophy part.

If the images/videos of Tonali arriving at Newcastle are anything to go by, the place itself may not be the biggest draw, he looks absolutely gutted. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV82EC on July 12, 2023, 10:53:59 PM
			

			

				Zola apart has any Italian striker made a go of it here, my recollection is that most of them have been invariably bobbins. Let’s hope Tonali is of the same ilk.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 12, 2023, 10:55:21 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV82EC on July 12, 2023, 10:53:59 PM
Zola apart has any Italian striker made a go of it here, my recollection is that most of them have been invariably bobbins. Let’s hope Tonali is of the same ilk.

Vialli?

Tonali isn’t a striker. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: rob_bridge on July 12, 2023, 10:57:02 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV82EC on July 12, 2023, 10:53:59 PM
Zola apart has any Italian striker made a go of it here, my recollection is that most of them have been invariably bobbins. Let’s hope Tonali is of the same ilk.

Ravenelli one season. Carbone and DiCanio did ok. They haven't had many great ones in the last 20 years regardless since SerieA lost its shine.


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV82EC on July 12, 2023, 10:57:09 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 12, 2023, 10:55:21 PM
Quote from: AV82EC on July 12, 2023, 10:53:59 PM
Zola apart has any Italian striker made a go of it here, my recollection is that most of them have been invariably bobbins. Let’s hope Tonali is of the same ilk.

Vialli?

And Tonali isn’t a striker.

Yep good call on Vialli and I had no idea Tonali wasn’t a striker.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 12, 2023, 11:08:31 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV82EC on July 12, 2023, 10:53:59 PM
Zola apart has any Italian striker made a go of it here, 

Rossi was pretty decent and has the most posts on here.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on July 12, 2023, 11:14:39 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave P on July 12, 2023, 10:24:16 PM
He was actually ok in a very shit Chelsea team in the second half of the season. Defiantly got something about him. It would be another statement signing but there’s no way he’d want to come to us. 

One of very few that looked up for it and actually half decent when I saw them. He'd be a bloody brilliant signing and a real statement if it was loan to perm for example. Got him and say Diaby in, you're looking at a very very decent squad next season in almost all areas. Right back and keeper depth aside. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: stubbsyandy on July 12, 2023, 11:16:07 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave P on July 12, 2023, 10:24:48 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 12, 2023, 05:34:15 PM
Openda off to Leipzig

Isn’t that a Half Man Half Biscuit album?
Ha!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 12, 2023, 11:17:30 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV82EC on July 12, 2023, 10:57:09 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 12, 2023, 10:55:21 PM
Quote from: AV82EC on July 12, 2023, 10:53:59 PM
Zola apart has any Italian striker made a go of it here, my recollection is that most of them have been invariably bobbins. Let’s hope Tonali is of the same ilk.

Vialli?

And Tonali isn’t a striker.

Yep good call on Vialli and I had no idea Tonali wasn’t a striker.

He started out as a deep-lying playmaker, and was compared to Pirlo. But that might just be because they both started at Brescia and ended up at Milan.

Last season he was a bit more box-to-box, similar to the job McGinn did for us.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 12, 2023, 11:32:40 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 12, 2023, 06:47:07 PM
Reports in Italy saying that Chiesa's agent is trying to make a move to Villa happen, but as reported multiple other places, the player himself sees us as second tier and isn't interested. 

I don't get this.

Surely, if Chiesa didn't want the move, that'd be it - nothing to push for from the agent and nothing from our side, either.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 12, 2023, 11:51:28 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 12, 2023, 11:32:40 PM
Quote from: AV84 on July 12, 2023, 06:47:07 PM
Reports in Italy saying that Chiesa's agent is trying to make a move to Villa happen, but as reported multiple other places, the player himself sees us as second tier and isn't interested. 

I don't get this.

Surely, if Chiesa didn't want the move, that'd be it - nothing to push for from the agent and nothing from our side, either.

Apparently the player does want out of Juve, but maybe if nobody else is interested then the agent thinks he might be able to convince him, get a nice little fee for himself. Or maybe he's trying to use us to sound out other teams. No idea. 

Personally I feel like he rejected the idea of us weeks ago and we've moved on, if we were ever seriously interested. 


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 12, 2023, 11:58:26 PM
			

			

				Speaking of people we've probably moved on from.... I saw there that Newcastle are still negotiating for Harvey Barnes and are thinking of an opening offer of 30million. Which is a far cry from it being a done deal as was claimed nearly a week ago. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on July 13, 2023, 12:11:07 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on July 12, 2023, 11:17:30 PM
Quote from: AV82EC on July 12, 2023, 10:57:09 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 12, 2023, 10:55:21 PM
Quote from: AV82EC on July 12, 2023, 10:53:59 PM
Zola apart has any Italian striker made a go of it here, my recollection is that most of them have been invariably bobbins. Let’s hope Tonali is of the same ilk.

Vialli?

And Tonali isn’t a striker.

Yep good call on Vialli and I had no idea Tonali wasn’t a striker.

He started out as a deep-lying playmaker, and was compared to Pirlo. But that might just be because they both started at Brescia and ended up at Milan.

Last season he was a bit more box-to-box, similar to the job McGinn did for us.

Heard somewhere that it was a record fee fur an Itslian player.  Is that right?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 13, 2023, 12:12:38 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: tomd2103 on July 13, 2023, 12:11:07 AM
Heard somewhere that it was a record fee fur an Itslian player.  Is that right?

Yes, according to the BBC when it was announced.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 13, 2023, 12:14:58 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: rob_bridge on July 12, 2023, 10:57:02 PM
Quote from: AV82EC on July 12, 2023, 10:53:59 PM
Zola apart has any Italian striker made a go of it here, my recollection is that most of them have been invariably bobbins. Let’s hope Tonali is of the same ilk.

Ravenelli one season. Carbone and DiCanio did ok. They haven't had many great ones in the last 20 years regardless since SerieA lost its shine.



Balotelli was mental but did OK, won the league and FA Cup with Man City. Di Canio was a very good player.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on July 13, 2023, 05:25:54 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on July 13, 2023, 12:14:58 AM
Quote from: rob_bridge on July 12, 2023, 10:57:02 PM
Quote from: AV82EC on July 12, 2023, 10:53:59 PM
Zola apart has any Italian striker made a go of it here, my recollection is that most of them have been invariably bobbins. Let’s hope Tonali is of the same ilk.

Ravenelli one season. Carbone and DiCanio did ok. They haven't had many great ones in the last 20 years regardless since SerieA lost its shine.



Balotelli was mental but did OK, won the league and FA Cup with Man City. Di Canio was a very good player.

And a fucking fascist twat  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: jwarry on July 13, 2023, 07:55:58 AM
			

			

				Just imagine if they pulled off Felix, Diaby and Kessie, with a new keeper and right back - or would we still be complaining they haven’t bought a new striker?!? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 13, 2023, 07:57:31 AM
			

			

				Italian press saying we’ve bid for Charles De Ketelaere.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: frank black on July 13, 2023, 07:59:24 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 13, 2023, 07:57:31 AM
Italian press saying we’ve bid for Charles De Ketelaere.

Sounds like a gem thief 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 13, 2023, 08:00:53 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 13, 2023, 07:57:31 AM
Italian press saying we’ve bid for Charles De Ketelaere.

Hmm. I guess we've seen both the good and bad from signing a player on the strength of one great season in Belgium. 

Been pretty ropey for Milan though.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on July 13, 2023, 08:05:36 AM
			

			

				I like de ketelaere, I reckon he could be a fantastic player with the right setup around him.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on July 13, 2023, 08:11:21 AM
			

			

				He's a big lad for a wide player, like the second coming of the 'Droyd.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on July 13, 2023, 08:14:21 AM
			

			

				I thought he played in the middle? Or is that just where he's been played last season?

He does seem tall though.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: frank black on July 13, 2023, 08:15:12 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on July 13, 2023, 08:00:53 AM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 13, 2023, 07:57:31 AM
Italian press saying we’ve bid for Charles De Ketelaere.

Hmm. I guess we've seen both the good and bad from signing a player on the strength of one great season in Belgium. 

Been pretty ropey for Milan though.

Seems their fan’s general comments are “how are we demanding this for a player that hasn’t succeeded “ I suspect this is another of those agent/club generated rumours, they need some cash to spend elsewhere. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 13, 2023, 08:53:52 AM
			

			

				One of the daily sports papers here, Record, are reporting that we're putting in a €45m offer in for Pedro Gonçalves of Sporting. Inter are also said to be interested. It's behind a paywall but expect the story to spread to other media in the coming hours. I said the other day I don't think it's dead as I reckon Sporting still need the cash, if not to balance the books but to give Amorim more money to go out and buy.

EDIT: Found it elsewhere and that's pretty much it other than saying how interested clubs like him as he can play in several positions plus his goals/assists record.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 13, 2023, 09:03:23 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on July 13, 2023, 08:53:52 AM
One of the daily sports papers here, Record, are reporting that we've put in a €45m offer in for Pedro Gonçalves of Sporting. Inter are also said to be interested. It's behind a paywall but expect the story to spread to other media in the coming hours. I said the other day I don't think it's dead as I reckon Sporting still need the cash, if not to balance the books but to give Amorim more money to go out and buy.

And given their track record you'd assume they've got about three more just like him in their youth to come in and replace him.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 13, 2023, 09:10:15 AM
			

			

				As I said when his name first got linked with us, I wouldn't be paying the €80m buy-out clause. He's good but not that good. Sporting have a bit of a chip on the shoulder regarding selling on players, Benfica have really cashed in big time where as Sporting haven't sold anybody over €50m. Silly I know but it's political.

You're right Dave, there's always something coming out of the Academy not that it doesn't stop them picking up somebody very cheap and turning them into a diamond.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: mike on July 13, 2023, 09:20:10 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: jwarry on July 13, 2023, 07:55:58 AM
Just imagine if they pulled off Felix, Diaby and Kessie, with a new keeper and right back - or would we still be complaining they haven’t bought a new striker?!? 

I have a very disturbing image now of what lengths our recruitment staff may go to to persuade players to join.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on July 13, 2023, 09:23:25 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: frank black on July 13, 2023, 07:59:24 AM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 13, 2023, 07:57:31 AM
Italian press saying we’ve bid for Charles De Ketelaere.

Sounds like a gem thief 
excellent
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 13, 2023, 09:25:15 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 13, 2023, 07:57:31 AM
Italian press saying we’ve bid for Charles De Ketelaere.

Isn't he in Soulwax?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 13, 2023, 09:26:16 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on July 13, 2023, 08:05:36 AM
I like de ketelaere, I reckon he could be a fantastic player with the right setup around him.

What are you basing that on Paul? He's gone to Milan for big money, and done absolutely nothing. He started 9 games and got a handful of minutes here and there. One assist all season.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on July 13, 2023, 09:28:43 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: mike on July 13, 2023, 09:20:10 AM
Quote from: jwarry on July 13, 2023, 07:55:58 AM
Just imagine if they pulled off Felix, Diaby and Kessie, with a new keeper and right back - or would we still be complaining they haven’t bought a new striker?!? 

I have a very disturbing image now of what lengths our recruitment staff may go to to persuade players to join.

Let's hope they don't blow it
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on July 13, 2023, 09:30:50 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on July 13, 2023, 09:26:16 AM
Quote from: paul_e on July 13, 2023, 08:05:36 AM
I like de ketelaere, I reckon he could be a fantastic player with the right setup around him.

What are you basing that on Paul? He's gone to Milan for big money, and done absolutely nothing. He started 9 games and got a handful of minutes here and there. One assist all season.

Well clearly not on his time with Milan!

every time I've seen him he's always looked like he has everything you'd want from a 2nd striker, happy drifting deep/wide, plays with his had up and looking for runs and draws defenders to him to create space. Lets not forget he's only just turned 22 so this is a guy who's younger than most of the team that just won the u21s with England.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 13, 2023, 09:31:32 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on July 13, 2023, 09:26:16 AM
Quote from: paul_e on July 13, 2023, 08:05:36 AM
I like de ketelaere, I reckon he could be a fantastic player with the right setup around him.

What are you basing that on Paul? He's gone to Milan for big money, and done absolutely nothing. He started 9 games and got a handful of minutes here and there. One assist all season.

I just watched his 'season highlights' youtube for last season, and it's immensely underwhelming.

Not sure there's much to be had there tbh although I don't watch the Belgian league much.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 13, 2023, 09:48:51 AM
			

			

				He looks like he could play Peter Beale on Eastenders 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 13, 2023, 10:07:28 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on July 13, 2023, 09:23:25 AM
Quote from: frank black on July 13, 2023, 07:59:24 AM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 13, 2023, 07:57:31 AM
Italian press saying we’ve bid for Charles De Ketelaere.

Sounds like a gem thief 
excellent

or an Airport 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: jwarry on July 13, 2023, 10:43:25 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 13, 2023, 09:31:32 AM
Quote from: Risso on July 13, 2023, 09:26:16 AM
Quote from: paul_e on July 13, 2023, 08:05:36 AM
I like de ketelaere, I reckon he could be a fantastic player with the right setup around him.

What are you basing that on Paul? He's gone to Milan for big money, and done absolutely nothing. He started 9 games and got a handful of minutes here and there. One assist all season.

I just watched his 'season highlights' youtube for last season, and it's immensely underwhelming.

Not sure there's much to be had there tbh although I don't watch the Belgian league much.

He looks like a cross between Patrick Bamford and Savo.  He clearly defends from the front which is probably why  Unai wants him but we really need a goal scorer 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SoccerHQ on July 13, 2023, 11:13:49 AM
			

			

				Honestly think the Milan link is just to speed the Diaby interest along.

He feels our number one target for the final third.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 13, 2023, 11:38:20 AM
			

			

				Don't know enough about any of these players to have an opinion on which ones we should sign, but I'm very happy to see the majority of names we're being linked with now are attacking forward players. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 13, 2023, 11:41:48 AM
			

			

				I get slightly troubled when we get linked to players from the Belgian league, and to a lesser extent the German league too.

Our last few forays into Belgium yielded Nakamba, Wesley and Samatta. Of those only Nakamba offered anything, and the other two are among our worst ever strikers.

The underwhelming impact of Bailey at Villa and Sancho at Man Utd is a concern when looking at wingers ripping it up in Germany.

Now I probably need to relax and trust in Emery and Monchi, but I wont be getting excited about signings from those leagues until I see them perform on the pitch for us.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: JD on July 13, 2023, 11:42:04 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 13, 2023, 07:57:31 AM
Italian press saying we’ve bid for Charles De Ketelaere.

Never heard of him.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 13, 2023, 11:54:42 AM
			

			

				I see another "story" claiming Martinez's future at Villa is "in suspense" and then when you read it, it says nobody has come looking for him, and he hasn't said he wants to leave. I guess they've got click baity trash sites in Argentina too. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on July 13, 2023, 11:57:19 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 13, 2023, 11:54:42 AM
I see another "story" claiming Martinez's future at Villa is "in suspense" and then when you read it, it says nobody has come looking for him, and he hasn't said he wants to leave. I guess they've got click baity trash sites in Argentina too.
Chelsea fancies him.  ::)
Apparently.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 13, 2023, 11:58:03 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 13, 2023, 11:54:42 AM
I see another "story" claiming Martinez's future at Villa is "in suspense" and then when you read it, it says nobody has come looking for him, and he hasn't said he wants to leave. I guess they've got click baity trash sites in Argentina too. 

I'm actually pretty surprised about how little noise there is about him leaving, given the only realistic destinations for him have both got rid of their main keeper. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 13, 2023, 12:08:40 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on July 13, 2023, 11:58:03 AM
Quote from: AV84 on July 13, 2023, 11:54:42 AM
I see another "story" claiming Martinez's future at Villa is "in suspense" and then when you read it, it says nobody has come looking for him, and he hasn't said he wants to leave. I guess they've got click baity trash sites in Argentina too. 

I'm actually pretty surprised about how little noise there is about him leaving, given the only realistic destinations for him have both got rid of their main keeper.

I feel like the "noise" has been fairly consistent. A low level buzzing that he's now too good for us and should be playing for a bigger team. Still plenty of time for something to actually happen, I suppose, but given how poor our alternative options are in goal, I can't see Emery and Co letting him go without a massive fee and plenty of time to replace him. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on July 13, 2023, 12:28:55 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: jwarry on July 13, 2023, 10:43:25 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 13, 2023, 09:31:32 AM
Quote from: Risso on July 13, 2023, 09:26:16 AM
Quote from: paul_e on July 13, 2023, 08:05:36 AM
I like de ketelaere, I reckon he could be a fantastic player with the right setup around him.

What are you basing that on Paul? He's gone to Milan for big money, and done absolutely nothing. He started 9 games and got a handful of minutes here and there. One assist all season.

I just watched his 'season highlights' youtube for last season, and it's immensely underwhelming.

Not sure there's much to be had there tbh although I don't watch the Belgian league much.

He looks like a cross between Patrick Bamford and Savo.  He clearly defends from the front which is probably why  Unai wants him but we really need a goal scorer 

he did get 14 as a 2nd striker in is last season from Brugge so he does know where the net is. Things clearly didn't work out at Milan but depending on the price I think he's worth considering. Anything around £20-25m and I think he'd be a good signing and, given how the year went and waht they paid I think that's a fair offer.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 13, 2023, 12:30:39 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on July 13, 2023, 12:28:55 PM
Quote from: jwarry on July 13, 2023, 10:43:25 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 13, 2023, 09:31:32 AM
Quote from: Risso on July 13, 2023, 09:26:16 AM
Quote from: paul_e on July 13, 2023, 08:05:36 AM
I like de ketelaere, I reckon he could be a fantastic player with the right setup around him.

What are you basing that on Paul? He's gone to Milan for big money, and done absolutely nothing. He started 9 games and got a handful of minutes here and there. One assist all season.

I just watched his 'season highlights' youtube for last season, and it's immensely underwhelming.

Not sure there's much to be had there tbh although I don't watch the Belgian league much.

He looks like a cross between Patrick Bamford and Savo.  He clearly defends from the front which is probably why  Unai wants him but we really need a goal scorer 

he did get 14 as a 2nd striker in is last season from Brugge so he does know where the net is. Things clearly didn't work out at Milan but depending on the price I think he's worth considering. Anything around £20-25m and I think he'd be a good signing and, given how the year went and waht they paid I think that's a fair offer.

You could look at other players who struggled in Italy but came to England and did well .  Henry and Berkamp weren't bad ?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on July 13, 2023, 12:47:23 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 13, 2023, 08:14:21 AM
I thought he played in the middle? Or is that just where he's been played last season?

He does seem tall though.

Hes 6'4". 

He plays both wide & central. 

I think he could be a good player if coached right. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 13, 2023, 12:49:20 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on July 13, 2023, 12:30:39 PM
You could look at other players who struggled in Italy but came to England and did well .  Henry and Berkamp weren't bad ?


Being devil's advocate here, you could also say that's two players in nearly 30 years.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on July 13, 2023, 12:53:28 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 13, 2023, 12:49:20 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on July 13, 2023, 12:30:39 PM
You could look at other players who struggled in Italy but came to England and did well .  Henry and Berkamp weren't bad ?


Being devil's advocate here, you could also say that's two players in nearly 30 years.

And that was at a time when Serie A was at a much higher standard than the Premier League too.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 13, 2023, 12:54:34 PM
			

			

				Gustavo Bartelt did pretty well.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on July 13, 2023, 12:57:05 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on July 13, 2023, 12:30:39 PM
Quote from: paul_e on July 13, 2023, 12:28:55 PM
Quote from: jwarry on July 13, 2023, 10:43:25 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 13, 2023, 09:31:32 AM
Quote from: Risso on July 13, 2023, 09:26:16 AM
Quote from: paul_e on July 13, 2023, 08:05:36 AM
I like de ketelaere, I reckon he could be a fantastic player with the right setup around him.

What are you basing that on Paul? He's gone to Milan for big money, and done absolutely nothing. He started 9 games and got a handful of minutes here and there. One assist all season.

I just watched his 'season highlights' youtube for last season, and it's immensely underwhelming.

Not sure there's much to be had there tbh although I don't watch the Belgian league much.

He looks like a cross between Patrick Bamford and Savo.  He clearly defends from the front which is probably why  Unai wants him but we really need a goal scorer 

he did get 14 as a 2nd striker in is last season from Brugge so he does know where the net is. Things clearly didn't work out at Milan but depending on the price I think he's worth considering. Anything around £20-25m and I think he'd be a good signing and, given how the year went and waht they paid I think that's a fair offer.

You could look at other players who struggled in Italy but came to England and did well .  Henry and Berkamp weren't bad ?
Perhaps.  But it's not a very sensible starting place to look.  I imagine the ratio of players who failed in Italy and didn't go on to have stellar careers is somewhat higher.

I admit to not knowing too much about this lad, but having seen Wesley & Samatta it's going to take a lot more than 'did well in Belgium' to persuade me about a player.  Adding failed in Italy doesn't do that much to allay those concerns. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on July 13, 2023, 01:09:30 PM
			

			

				In fact, Kalinic, Wesley, Nakamba, Samatta - all signed from the Belgium league.  Engels also not good enough.  Trezeguet made his name in Belgium.  Total £66.5m

This tall lad may turn out to be sensational, but did well in Belgium isn't enough for me.

 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on July 13, 2023, 01:19:06 PM
			

			

				I watched a Brugges video reel of him and he looks a good player. Bit of a cliche to say he's got a nice touch for a big guy, but his height didn't stand out in the videos. Just looked like he had good feet. 

If he's 22 now, he was 21 when he left home for a new country and a new league. 

Leeds fans hate him because he chose Milan over them so there's that too. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 13, 2023, 01:24:27 PM
			

			

				Milan seemed to think he would be good and spent a lot on him 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 13, 2023, 01:50:52 PM
			

			

				He was definitely spoken about in glowing terms before going to Milan, I've heard him spoken about on a few pods but it really hasn't worked out for him so far. It would definitely be a punt.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dick Edwards on July 13, 2023, 02:06:44 PM
			

			

				I've not seen this guy or even heard of him before today but I'm confident he won't cost any potential buyer £25m after the season he's just had.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 13, 2023, 02:11:23 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dick Edwards on July 13, 2023, 02:06:44 PM
I've not seen this guy or even heard of him before today but I'm confident he won't cost any potential buyer £25m after the season he's just had.

I guess the way to make it work is if Milan want to get as much money back as possible and we see something to work with in the player, we bung them £5m for a season-long loan with another £20m next summer if we think that he's shown enough to make it worthwhile. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 13, 2023, 02:15:27 PM
			

			

				This might sound stupid but I assume if we're showing any kind of real interest in a player then we've had someone watching them for a while? Like it's not a case that Milan have rang us up and said "I hear you're in the market for a striker...." and we've gone in with a bid off the back of a quick Google. 

I'd believe previous managers worked that way. Not now though. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 13, 2023, 02:40:10 PM
			

			

				I’m not sure a £25m player is the answer.,I’d be worry he’d use up a place in the squad demoting Archer and Ramsey but not quite replacing Bailey either. 

I feel dirty saying that, but this is the position where I hope we throw money at the problem to maximise the chances of getting it right.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Matt C on July 13, 2023, 02:46:23 PM
			

			

				We’re certainly being linked to a lot of players, more speculation around Johnson now. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on July 13, 2023, 02:57:32 PM
			

			

				Johnson rumours getting louder. I think he'd be a great signing, exactly what we need
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 13, 2023, 03:41:10 PM
			

			

				The Daily Heil writer who 'broke' the Johnson wouldn't mind coming to Villa has a Twitter bio that includes 'Mark Clattenburg's biographer'. The mind boggles. Who'd want to write it, who'd want to read it, and who the fuck would pay to publish it?

Edit. Just realised that all three questions have the same answer: Mark Clattenburg.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: charlatan on July 13, 2023, 03:49:58 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on July 13, 2023, 10:07:28 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on July 13, 2023, 09:23:25 AM
Quote from: frank black on July 13, 2023, 07:59:24 AM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 13, 2023, 07:57:31 AM
Italian press saying we’ve bid for Charles De Ketelaere.

Sounds like a gem thief 
excellent

or an Airport 
good at hemming in demonstrators
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on July 13, 2023, 03:58:27 PM
			

			

				I'm a bit warmer on Johnson than Diaby, simply because Bailey hasn't exactly been consistent since arriving from Leverkusen. Johnson and a risk on the Belgian at decent money might be a compromise, both can play up front too. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 13, 2023, 03:59:15 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 13, 2023, 03:41:10 PM
The Daily Heil writer who 'broke' the Johnson wouldn't mind coming to Villa has a Twitter bio that includes 'Mark Clattenburg's biographer'. The mind boggles. Who'd want to write it, who'd want to read it, and who the fuck would pay to publish it?

Edit. Just realised that all three questions have the same answer: Mark Clattenburg.

That makes me think of Jeff Winter, former ref, and the most deluded man in football. From his autobiography, re his last match, refereeing Liverpool - Blackburn with Liverpool needing to win to qualify for the Champions League.

Quote
“in the end I played a few extra minutes , waiting untill play was at the kop end before sounding the final shrill blast , a bit like the last post , the fans behind the goal burst in to spontaneous applause it was longer and louder than normal even for a big home win , DID THEY KNOW IT WAS MY FINAL VISIT , WAS THE APPLAUSE FOR ME , they are such knowledgeable football people that it would not surprise me”

Always had a very high opinion of himself, Jeff.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 13, 2023, 04:19:25 PM
			

			

				Johnson’s an exact fit for Bailey’s current position but possibly doesn’t have the ceiling of some of the players we’ve been linked with. On the plus side, he’s a lot less likely to completely flop having already done well in the league.

Let’s just hope they don’t ask stupid money. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 13, 2023, 04:21:36 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 13, 2023, 04:19:25 PM
He’s an exact fit for Bailey’s current position but possibly doesn’t have the ceiling of some of the players we’ve been linked with. Equally he’s a lot less likely to completely flop having already done well in the league.

Let’s just hope the don’t ask stupid money.

Assuming you're talking about Johnson, Brentford have already had a bid for 30mil turned down, apparently. 
Could he he's not interested in going there, and Forest would rather keep him, so that's why it was turned down. But you'd assume we'd have to go at least as high as that?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 13, 2023, 04:22:26 PM
			

			

				I think you're all writing off the Belgian League too quickly.

Balaban did well there and he was ace...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on July 13, 2023, 04:25:11 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: coreyfeldman on July 13, 2023, 02:57:32 PM
Johnson rumours getting louder. I think he'd be a great signing, exactly what we need

Is he out of jail for noncin'? His career must be finished now. Couldn't manage a Ched Evans resurrection.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 13, 2023, 04:25:15 PM
			

			

				Johnson would be a decent punt i think. If the £40m is true it probably isn't too OTT in the current climate. Not arsed about the chap from Milan or Joao Felix. Diaby interesting but would prefer Johnson simply because he's been in the PL and done very well in a struggling team.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 13, 2023, 04:25:53 PM
			

			

				Didn't we get Benteke from Belgium? He did alright for us straight away. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on July 13, 2023, 04:28:01 PM
			

			

				Johnson does tick a lot of the boxes for what we need but I'm not completely convinced he's ready for the step up to the top half of the league so the price might be a touch too high, £30-35m seems more realistic to me.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 13, 2023, 04:31:24 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on July 13, 2023, 04:28:01 PM
Johnson does tick a lot of the boxes for what we need but I'm not completely convinced he's ready for the step up to the top half of the league so the price might be a touch too high, £30-35m seems more realistic to me.

That sounds to me a bit like the Doug / Robbie Keane scenario.

Just pay it and be done with it :-) 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 13, 2023, 04:41:08 PM
			

			

				£30m and Davis
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 13, 2023, 04:44:01 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 13, 2023, 04:41:08 PM
£30m and Davis

£40m and Olsen 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on July 13, 2023, 04:47:08 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on July 13, 2023, 04:44:01 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 13, 2023, 04:41:08 PM
£30m and Davis

£40m and Olsen 

Ha, they need a keeper as well. Surely we could deep fake Olsen's head on footage of Martinez and send it over?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 13, 2023, 04:51:36 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 13, 2023, 04:31:24 PM
Quote from: paul_e on July 13, 2023, 04:28:01 PM
Johnson does tick a lot of the boxes for what we need but I'm not completely convinced he's ready for the step up to the top half of the league so the price might be a touch too high, £30-35m seems more realistic to me.

That sounds to me a bit like the Doug / Robbie Keane scenario.

Just pay it and be done with it :-)

Gregory / Robbie Keane scenario. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Londonvilla on July 13, 2023, 04:54:11 PM
			

			

				Turkish giants Fenerbahce have made an offer for Aston Villa winger Jaden Philogene, and TEAMtalk understands the bid has been rejected

https://www.teamtalk.com/aston-villa/sources-aston-villa-reject-fenerbahce-bid-winger-attracting-widespread-european-interest


For me, £15m with a buy-back clause 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ian. on July 13, 2023, 05:06:16 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on July 13, 2023, 04:51:36 PM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 13, 2023, 04:31:24 PM
Quote from: paul_e on July 13, 2023, 04:28:01 PM
Johnson does tick a lot of the boxes for what we need but I'm not completely convinced he's ready for the step up to the top half of the league so the price might be a touch too high, £30-35m seems more realistic to me.

That sounds to me a bit like the Doug / Robbie Keane scenario.

Just pay it and be done with it :-)

Gregory / Robbie Keane scenario. 

Yeah, get him in. Looks perfect for what we need. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on July 13, 2023, 05:14:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: coreyfeldman on July 13, 2023, 02:57:32 PM
Johnson rumours getting louder. I think he'd be a great signing, exactly what we need

I like him. And he has bags of pace. Clocked as the fastest in the Prem last term...

On a side note, Pau Torres is pretty fast too. Was clocked as the 5th fastest player in La Liga in 2021 apparently...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on July 13, 2023, 05:16:51 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on July 13, 2023, 04:44:01 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 13, 2023, 04:41:08 PM
£30m and Davis

£40m and Olsen

You're joking right?

Would have to be £20m plus Olsen... 😂
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on July 13, 2023, 05:27:54 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 13, 2023, 11:41:48 AM
I get slightly troubled when we get linked to players from the Belgian league, and to a lesser extent the German league too.

Our last few forays into Belgium yielded Nakamba, Wesley and Samatta. Of those only Nakamba offered anything, and the other two are among our worst ever strikers.

The underwhelming impact of Bailey at Villa and Sancho at Man Utd is a concern when looking at wingers ripping it up in Germany.

Now I probably need to relax and trust in Emery and Monchi, but I wont be getting excited about signings from those leagues until I see them perform on the pitch for us.

Benteke did ok...Son came from the Bundesliga....The PL is certainly more physical, think Sancho and Bailey have struggled with the physicality (both seem to suffer from a crippling lack of self belief too).

Johnson does seem ideal for that high on the right role next to Watkins. To be fair I didn't see much of Forest last season and when I did they were awful. He does bring genuine pace and directness too, which we need. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave P on July 13, 2023, 05:44:43 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pablo_picasso on July 13, 2023, 05:16:51 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on July 13, 2023, 04:44:01 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 13, 2023, 04:41:08 PM
£30m and Davis

£40m and Olsen

You're joking right?

Would have to be £20m plus Olsen... 😂

I'm sure that was the joke and how much are you valuing Olsen at?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rigadon on July 13, 2023, 06:07:13 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 13, 2023, 03:59:15 PM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 13, 2023, 03:41:10 PM
The Daily Heil writer who 'broke' the Johnson wouldn't mind coming to Villa has a Twitter bio that includes 'Mark Clattenburg's biographer'. The mind boggles. Who'd want to write it, who'd want to read it, and who the fuck would pay to publish it?

Edit. Just realised that all three questions have the same answer: Mark Clattenburg.

That makes me think of Jeff Winter, former ref, and the most deluded man in football. From his autobiography, re his last match, refereeing Liverpool - Blackburn with Liverpool needing to win to qualify for the Champions League.

Quote
“in the end I played a few extra minutes , waiting untill play was at the kop end before sounding the final shrill blast , a bit like the last post , the fans behind the goal burst in to spontaneous applause it was longer and louder than normal even for a big home win , DID THEY KNOW IT WAS MY FINAL VISIT , WAS THE APPLAUSE FOR ME , they are such knowledgeable football people that it would not surprise me”

Always had a very high opinion of himself, Jeff.

Oh dear.  That is cringeworthy in the extreme and on many levels.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on July 13, 2023, 06:24:26 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 13, 2023, 04:19:25 PM
Johnson’s an exact fit for Bailey’s current position but possibly doesn’t have the ceiling of some of the players we’ve been linked with. On the plus side, he’s a lot less likely to completely flop having already done well in the league.

Let’s just hope they don’t ask stupid money.

I’ve seen him play for Wales a bit and he is striker who can play wide if needed.  He’s actually probably a bit like Ollie Watkins, but hasn’t quite got the same physical attributes.  Plays more on the shoulder of defenders waiting to be played in.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 13, 2023, 06:29:34 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave P on July 13, 2023, 05:44:43 PM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on July 13, 2023, 05:16:51 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on July 13, 2023, 04:44:01 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 13, 2023, 04:41:08 PM
£30m and Davis

£40m and Olsen

You're joking right?

Would have to be £20m plus Olsen... 😂

I'm sure that was the joke and how much are you valuing Olsen at?

60m and Olsen, then I reckon we've done well in the deal.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on July 13, 2023, 06:33:10 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave P on July 13, 2023, 05:44:43 PM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on July 13, 2023, 05:16:51 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on July 13, 2023, 04:44:01 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 13, 2023, 04:41:08 PM
£30m and Davis

£40m and Olsen

You're joking right?

Would have to be £20m plus Olsen... 😂

I'm sure that was the joke and how much are you valuing Olsen at?

Wait, did I do it wrong? 😂

I thought they had... 

Sorry Villa Mole... 👍

Im no good with numbers. 

They confuse me, lol... 😂
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on July 13, 2023, 07:00:37 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on July 13, 2023, 06:29:34 PM
Quote from: Dave P on July 13, 2023, 05:44:43 PM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on July 13, 2023, 05:16:51 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on July 13, 2023, 04:44:01 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 13, 2023, 04:41:08 PM
£30m and Davis

£40m and Olsen

You're joking right?

Would have to be £20m plus Olsen... 😂

I'm sure that was the joke and how much are you valuing Olsen at?

60m and Olsen, then I reckon we've done well in the deal.
40m cash or 60m with Olsen 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Holte L2 on July 13, 2023, 07:07:12 PM
			

			

				https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1679551849592922127?t=06pvf2sTNpeTcIOLfWydgg&s=19
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 13, 2023, 07:10:07 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Holte L2 on July 13, 2023, 07:07:12 PM
https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1679551849592922127?t=06pvf2sTNpeTcIOLfWydgg&s=19

Interesting. If tap-in merchant Romano says that Diaby is keen to join us, I'd take that as a sign that it could well happen. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: jwarry on July 13, 2023, 07:12:37 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on July 13, 2023, 07:10:07 PM
Quote from: Holte L2 on July 13, 2023, 07:07:12 PM
https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1679551849592922127?t=06pvf2sTNpeTcIOLfWydgg&s=19

Interesting. If tap-in merchant Romano says that Diaby is keen to join us, I'd take that as a sign that it could well happen. 

Yep it’s got legs
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 13, 2023, 07:17:17 PM
			

			

				Is he good?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on July 13, 2023, 07:23:14 PM
			

			

				This is the tweet. 

Understand Aston Villa official bid for Moussa Diaby was €35m plus add-ons — this is the real fee. 🚨🟣🔵 #AVFC

Bayer Leverkusen rejected but told the negotiations are still ongoing, deal ON.

Diaby wants the move, he already said yes to Villa and Leverkusen are aware of that.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 13, 2023, 07:29:25 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 13, 2023, 07:17:17 PM
Is he good?

Yes, very good. But with the caveat that there have been wingers have looked very good in the Bundesliga before and been a bit disappointing when they've moved to the Premier League. 

But it's hard to judge - it could be that moving over and having his international teammates in Digne and Kamara makes all the difference to adapting and means he fits in a bit better. Or we could all be whinging in a years time that we didn't learn from the Bailey experience. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: jwarry on July 13, 2023, 07:29:41 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 13, 2023, 07:17:17 PM
Is he good?

Not the usual YT clip, worth a look https://youtu.be/VZ5Srnve4-Y
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Matt C on July 13, 2023, 07:31:01 PM
			

			

				Interesting, stands to reason the player has already expressed an interest if we’re into fee negotiations. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 13, 2023, 07:41:13 PM
			

			

				Rodrigo from Leeds (see links from earlier in the summer) has gone to Saudi Arabia.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: frank black on July 13, 2023, 07:45:56 PM
			

			

				Interesting that we’ve had zero links to goal keepers, which I would consider an absolute priority. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on July 13, 2023, 07:47:15 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: frank black on July 13, 2023, 07:45:56 PM
Interesting that we’ve had zero links to goal keepers, which I would consider an absolute priority. 

It's important but not the main priority as its only for cover
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 13, 2023, 07:47:29 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 13, 2023, 07:17:17 PM
Is he good?

Haven't watched him but the Liverpool forum thought it was an ambitious move by us when we were first linked.

A couple of their posts after Fab's tweet...
"Villa reportedly submit bid for Moussa Diaby. If they get him they move up the pecking order, will legitimately be above Spurs and Brighton (possibly chelsea) in expectation for next season. Making some very good moves after a strong finish last season." 
"I'd even have them as favorites for 3rd place, behind LFC and Man City ..."

Mind you, they also thought Bailey was a brilliant buy so as Dave says, it can be hard to judge when they're coming from the Bundesliga.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 13, 2023, 07:47:46 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: frank black on July 13, 2023, 07:45:56 PM
Interesting that we’ve had zero links to goal keepers, which I would consider an absolute priority.

Not zero, we've been linked to Bono. But unless Martinez leaves, which there are no signs of, I'm not sure who we'd be linked with when all we want is a backup? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on July 13, 2023, 07:56:37 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on July 13, 2023, 07:47:29 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 13, 2023, 07:17:17 PM
Is he good?

Haven't watched him but the Liverpool forum thought it was an ambitious move by us when we were first linked.

A couple of their posts after Fab's tweet...
"Villa reportedly submit bid for Moussa Diaby. If they get him they move up the pecking order, will legitimately be above Spurs and Brighton (possibly chelsea) in expectation for next season. Making some very good moves after a strong finish last season." 
"I'd even have them as favorites for 3rd place, behind LFC and Man City ..."

Mind you, they also thought Bailey was a brilliant buy so as Dave says, it can be hard to judge when they're coming from the Bundesliga.

Christ the really think Luton are going to cause a stir then…
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: frank black on July 13, 2023, 08:11:55 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 13, 2023, 07:47:46 PM
Quote from: frank black on July 13, 2023, 07:45:56 PM
Interesting that we’ve had zero links to goal keepers, which I would consider an absolute priority.

Not zero, we've been linked to Bono. But unless Martinez leaves, which there are no signs of, I'm not sure who we'd be linked with when all we want is a backup? 

A backup GK link or two? I’d call it an absolute priority as we are truly f***ed if Emi is injured. I’d also expect we’d do the usual play the backup in the cups routine. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 13, 2023, 08:18:38 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: frank black on July 13, 2023, 08:11:55 PM
A backup GK link or two? I’d call it an absolute priority as we are truly f***ed if Emi is injured. I’d also expect we’d do the usual play the backup in the cups routine.

That's my point though. I don't think anyone willing to come and be Emi's back up, maybe never even play, is going to be worth reporting on until they've signed.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: frank black on July 13, 2023, 08:20:54 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 13, 2023, 08:18:38 PM
Quote from: frank black on July 13, 2023, 08:11:55 PM
A backup GK link or two? I’d call it an absolute priority as we are truly f***ed if Emi is injured. I’d also expect we’d do the usual play the backup in the cups routine.

That's my point though. I don't think anyone willing to come and be Emi's back up, maybe never even play, is going to be worth reporting on until they've signed.

Hope so
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Tom_Mc9? on July 13, 2023, 08:21:42 PM
			

			

				John Percy reporting interest in Johnson.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SamTheMouse on July 13, 2023, 08:25:21 PM
			

			

				Johnson AND Diaby?

Ok, but only if they're back up for Chukwueze.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ger Regan on July 13, 2023, 08:29:13 PM
			

			

				That would be a really impressive double signing. Not sure how I feel about digne going though, especially if moreno is out for any length of time (and all the talk of having two for every position)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on July 13, 2023, 08:33:06 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ger Regan on July 13, 2023, 08:29:13 PM
That would be a really impressive double signing. Not sure how I feel about digne going though, especially if moreno is out for any length of time (and all the talk of having two for every position)

I always thought it likely that Digne will move as he's a top earner and very much second fiddle to Moreno
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 13, 2023, 08:37:16 PM
			

			

				I must have missed Digne being linked with a move away. Would be a shame as it weakens us in our current situation.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on July 13, 2023, 08:41:35 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 13, 2023, 08:37:16 PM
I must have missed Digne being linked with a move away. Would be a shame as it weakens us in our current situation.

Percy (John, not the one that can write good and that) said in his tweet about our interest in Johnson that they fancy Digne, but his wages are a stumbling block
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 13, 2023, 08:48:19 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on July 13, 2023, 08:41:35 PM
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 13, 2023, 08:37:16 PM
I must have missed Digne being linked with a move away. Would be a shame as it weakens us in our current situation.

Percy (John, not the one that can write good and that) said in his tweet about our interest in Johnson that they fancy Digne, but his wages are a stumbling block

I'd bet they are. Presumably the only reason they'd sell Johnson is because of the massive FFP reckoning that they now have steaming down the tracks and he'd be a way to easily fix it.

Don't see adding Digne's wages to the other column really helping.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Astnor on July 13, 2023, 08:49:07 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on July 13, 2023, 08:41:35 PM
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 13, 2023, 08:37:16 PM
I must have missed Digne being linked with a move away. Would be a shame as it weakens us in our current situation.

Percy (John, not the one that can write good and that) said in his tweet about our interest in Johnson that they fancy Digne, but his wages are a stumbling block
We ve been linked with Tierney of Arsenal more than once (seen in on here I think) so that might come into it.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 13, 2023, 08:50:25 PM
			

			

				I know Moreno is miles ahead of Digne in that position, but with his injury keeping him out for the start of the season, would it be wise to let Digne go? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on July 13, 2023, 08:52:33 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Astnor on July 13, 2023, 08:49:07 PM
Quote from: LeeB on July 13, 2023, 08:41:35 PM
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 13, 2023, 08:37:16 PM
I must have missed Digne being linked with a move away. Would be a shame as it weakens us in our current situation.

Percy (John, not the one that can write good and that) said in his tweet about our interest in Johnson that they fancy Digne, but his wages are a stumbling block
We ve been linked with Tierney of Arsenal more than once (seen in on here I think) so that might come into it.

Yeah good shout that. He's a fine player if a bit brittle, and a nice playmate for Meatball
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ger Regan on July 13, 2023, 08:54:47 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on July 13, 2023, 08:33:06 PM
Quote from: Ger Regan on July 13, 2023, 08:29:13 PM
That would be a really impressive double signing. Not sure how I feel about digne going though, especially if moreno is out for any length of time (and all the talk of having two for every position)

I always thought it likely that Digne will move as he's a top earner and very much second fiddle to Moreno
I guess it does make sense, but only as long as they get a replacement in.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: thick_mike on July 13, 2023, 09:00:47 PM
			

			

				Maybe Unai’s thinking Torres at LB is good enough cover and have a more progressive right side until Moreno is fit?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on July 13, 2023, 09:17:07 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Beard82 on July 13, 2023, 07:00:37 PM
40m cash or 60m with Olsen

Thats the one... 😂👍
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 13, 2023, 09:24:42 PM
			

			

				Cheers LeeB

What sort of wage is Digne on then and would it be much different to what Tierney would demand? I would think there wouldn’t be that much difference, might as well just pay Forest and not use Digne as a makeweight.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ldavfc4eva on July 13, 2023, 09:27:11 PM
			

			

				Forest have signed Willian on a free, quick and cheap replacement for Johnson?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 13, 2023, 09:31:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ldavfc4eva on July 13, 2023, 09:27:11 PM
Forest have signed Willian on a free, quick and cheap replacement for Johnson?

Sure the Forest fans would be overjoyed at that!!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Matt C on July 13, 2023, 09:38:42 PM
			

			

				Would Diaby have crossed paths with Emery at PSG or do I have my dates wrong? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on July 13, 2023, 09:40:07 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Matt C on July 13, 2023, 09:38:42 PM
Would Diaby have crossed paths with Emery at PSG or do I have my dates wrong?

2018 maybe? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 13, 2023, 09:41:56 PM
			

			

				Yes. John Percy mentions it in the Torygraph piece.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 13, 2023, 09:45:13 PM
			

			

				Blimey, Diaby and Johnson would more than do.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 13, 2023, 09:49:59 PM
			

			

				And here I thought there'd be a massive lul once we finally got Torres stretching the shirt. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on July 13, 2023, 09:57:11 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on July 13, 2023, 09:45:13 PM
Blimey, Diaby and Johnson would more than do.
I think you'd have to say that Tielemans, Torres, Diaby, and Johnson... I mean, we'd have had worse summers
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 13, 2023, 10:03:41 PM
			

			

				Do think replacement GK could be the last player through the door.

Not only are they likely to be cheaper than the other transfers, Italy also be a case of some Keepers waiting to see if there's a first team opportunity before agreeing to be second fiddle.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 13, 2023, 10:06:52 PM
			

			

				Have West Ham renewed Fabianski's contract? I feel like he did alright for them last year, and certainly would be a step up from Olsen. And realistically how often would he even play?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 13, 2023, 10:17:11 PM
			

			

				I’d like us to keep Digne unless he’s not having being the likely second choice at left back.

Diaby and Johnson would be very good indeed as the new forward options.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 13, 2023, 10:20:52 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 13, 2023, 10:17:11 PM
I’d like us to keep Digne unless he’s not having being the likely second choice at left back.

Diaby and Johnson would be very good indeed as the new forward options.

Assuming we make the group stages in Europe, and manage a run in at least one of the cups, then being second choice LB could still see him getting a lot of game time. I guess you'd probably still rather be first choice, but it's not like we're planning a season of 1 game a week and very little rotation of players. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 13, 2023, 10:23:43 PM
			

			

				Makes sense to keep Digne until January (at least). Hopefully his form at the beginning of the season is good so we can sell at the optimum price.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Des Little on July 13, 2023, 10:25:38 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: algy on July 13, 2023, 09:57:11 PM
Quote from: Risso on July 13, 2023, 09:45:13 PM
Blimey, Diaby and Johnson would more than do.
I think you'd have to say that Tielemans, Torres, Diaby, and Johnson... I mean, we'd have had worse summers

You’re not wrong there. In fact I think only Malia in 1994 would top it, but for different reasons, of course. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 13, 2023, 10:30:57 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 13, 2023, 10:20:52 PM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 13, 2023, 10:17:11 PM
I’d like us to keep Digne unless he’s not having being the likely second choice at left back.

Diaby and Johnson would be very good indeed as the new forward options.

Assuming we make the group stages in Europe, and manage a run in at least one of the cups, then being second choice LB could still see him getting a lot of game time. I guess you'd probably still rather be first choice, but it's not like we're planning a season of 1 game a week and very little rotation of players.

Yep, I hope he stays. He’s a tidy player if not as dynamic as Moreno.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on July 13, 2023, 11:00:38 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 13, 2023, 10:03:41 PM
Do think replacement GK could be the last player through the door.

Not only are they likely to be cheaper than the other transfers, Italy also be a case of some Keepers waiting to see if there's a first team opportunity before agreeing to be second fiddle.

Back up keeper will just happen, can’t see it being something we’ll see days and days of links to, still convinced it will be a Spanish keeper that the goalie coach knows.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 13, 2023, 11:05:12 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 13, 2023, 09:24:42 PM
What sort of wage is Digne on then and would it be much different to what Tierney would demand? I would think there wouldn’t be that much difference, might as well just pay Forest and not use Digne as a makeweight.

According to the Nottingham Post, Digne's on about 120k a week. No idea if that's accurate or where they got it from. 
A quick Google gives multiple reports of Tierney being on about 110k a week. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on July 13, 2023, 11:05:21 PM
			

			

				If Digne goes we need 2 full backs. Emery has made the change at full back in so many games either for a change of tactic or simply for freshness, I can't see him going into the season with 1 recognised player is each role. They might be loans, or younger players etc, but I'm sure will come. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on July 13, 2023, 11:16:32 PM
			

			

				Tierney is a better player than Digne for me, but his injuries are a major concern
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on July 13, 2023, 11:26:19 PM
			

			

				With regards to the potential signing of Diaby, other fans are starting to cream themselves over us now.

Speculation regarding Joao Felix also. Apparently we're the only club in for him.

Anyway, with just 30 days to go, every day is pots finally a juicy day for transfers. Hope Villa can bring the juice! 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 13, 2023, 11:37:37 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on July 13, 2023, 11:16:32 PM
Tierney is a better player than Digne for me, but his injuries are a major concern

There’s not a massive drop off between them but I’d probably agree. If you’re not saving that much in wages is it worth taking the risk. A more of an up and coming left back might be better. Perhaps the top brass have their eye on Moreno mark II.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 13, 2023, 11:52:32 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on July 13, 2023, 11:26:19 PM
Speculation regarding Joao Felix also. Apparently we're the only club in for him.

I've seen Newcastle and Utd linked with him too. Both seem like more likely choices, although I'm not sure what their financial situations are. Newcastle haven't been able to get the Barnes deal done yet, lots of speculation that they have to sell first. 

That said, if things are so bad that he's being made train with the kids, maybe Conference looks about as appealing as Champions League. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on July 14, 2023, 12:02:36 AM
			

			

				Marca are reporting he's said no to Villa. Think he'll end up at PSG, probably on loan. Hopefully he will regret not coming in years to come. Diaby and Johnson give us a very different look going forward, and depth will be there. Don't need Felix as well realistically. The tall Belgian lad might be worth a shot as an option of we can get him on a decent deal. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 14, 2023, 01:17:54 AM
			

			

				So Diaby and Bailey played together for 2 seasons, both racking up 50 - 60 appearances each over those 2 seasons, anyone know how that worked? Did they always just sub for each other? Need some German football expert here.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: frank black on July 14, 2023, 06:35:11 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 13, 2023, 11:52:32 PM
Quote from: Smirker on July 13, 2023, 11:26:19 PM
Speculation regarding Joao Felix also. Apparently we're the only club in for him.

I've seen Newcastle and Utd linked with him too. Both seem like more likely choices, although I'm not sure what their financial situations are. Newcastle haven't been able to get the Barnes deal done yet, lots of speculation that they have to sell first. 

That said, if things are so bad that he's being made train with the kids, maybe Conference looks about as appealing as Champions League. 

He’ll go on a loan to a champions league team. I also think it’s Brennan or Diaby, rather than both. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: enigma on July 14, 2023, 06:49:14 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on July 13, 2023, 07:41:13 PM
Rodrigo from Leeds (see links from earlier in the summer) has gone to Saudi Arabia.
Actually off to Qatar. Are the Qataris looking at what the Saudis are doing with their league and deciding they want a piece of the action now?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2023, 06:57:31 AM
			

			

				I didn’t realise Rodrigo was 32 I thought he was a promising youngster!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on July 14, 2023, 07:11:39 AM
			

			

				Dialby is an exciting link.  But he’s 5ft 6 and we’re probably already the smallest team in the PL.  if Torres plays ahead of Mings we’d lose a lot of power there too.  Are we going to get bullied?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 14, 2023, 07:16:28 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2023, 06:57:31 AM
I didn’t realise Rodrigo was 32 I thought he was a promising youngster!

He's only a promising youngster when compared to me 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 14, 2023, 07:16:52 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: enigma on July 14, 2023, 06:49:14 AM
Quote from: Dave on July 13, 2023, 07:41:13 PM
Rodrigo from Leeds (see links from earlier in the summer) has gone to Saudi Arabia.
Actually off to Qatar. 

Ah yes. Thanks for the correction. 

Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2023, 06:57:31 AM
I didn’t realise Rodrigo was 32 I thought he was a promising youngster!

To give an idea of how long he's been around, he played for Bolton over a decade ago alongside Zat Knight and J Lloyd Samuel.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on July 14, 2023, 07:33:01 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on July 14, 2023, 07:11:39 AM
Dialby is an exciting link.  But he’s 5ft 6 and we’re probably already the smallest team in the PL.  if Torres plays ahead of Mings we’d lose a lot of power there too.  Are we going to get bullied?

I did wonder if the lad at Milan is partly being looked at to get a bit of height into the side. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on July 14, 2023, 07:36:18 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ozzjim on July 14, 2023, 07:33:01 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on July 14, 2023, 07:11:39 AM
Dialby is an exciting link.  But he’s 5ft 6 and we’re probably already the smallest team in the PL.  if Torres plays ahead of Mings we’d lose a lot of power there too.  Are we going to get bullied?

I did wonder if the lad at Milan is partly being looked at to get a bit of height into the side.

Would make sense ‘if’ the story earlier in summer about Tammy was true…looking for a striker with a bit of height 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on July 14, 2023, 07:45:05 AM
			

			

				Know very little about him, but he apparently plays across the front line and from videos seems happy to put the work in so might be a valid link to give us a very different option. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: FatSam on July 14, 2023, 08:42:55 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 13, 2023, 11:52:32 PM
I've seen Newcastle and Utd linked with him too. 
Who are Utd? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villatillidie25 on July 14, 2023, 09:16:56 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ozzjim on July 14, 2023, 07:33:01 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on July 14, 2023, 07:11:39 AM
Dialby is an exciting link.  But he’s 5ft 6 and we’re probably already the smallest team in the PL.  if Torres plays ahead of Mings we’d lose a lot of power there too.  Are we going to get bullied?

I did wonder if the lad at Milan is partly being looked at to get a bit of height into the side. 

I think that's why Kessie keeps cropping up in links too
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SoccerHQ on July 14, 2023, 11:00:34 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on July 14, 2023, 01:17:54 AM
So Diaby and Bailey played together for 2 seasons, both racking up 50 - 60 appearances each over those 2 seasons, anyone know how that worked? Did they always just sub for each other? Need some German football expert here.

Diaby played more as a central striker, Bailey stayed out wide.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on July 14, 2023, 11:33:42 AM
			

			

				Agree that a goalkeeper will probably be done with very little lead-up. Should be very good with playing it out. 

We've been linked with a highly rated 20 year old from Valencia. Meant to be rapid. 

Anyone else noticing the emphasis on pace? Pau - top 5 fastest players in Spain. Diaby - one of the fastest players in Europe. Johnson - fastest player in the Premier League last season. 

Defenders could get very worried about facing us. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: mrfuse on July 14, 2023, 11:35:26 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: FatSam on July 14, 2023, 08:42:55 AM
Quote from: AV84 on July 13, 2023, 11:52:32 PM
I've seen Newcastle and Utd linked with him too. 
Who are Utd? 

Sheffield I always say as they are the first but I could be wrong about that. Unless the poster accidentally added "and" in between Newcastle Utd.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2023, 11:37:28 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on July 14, 2023, 07:16:52 AM
Quote from: enigma on July 14, 2023, 06:49:14 AM
Quote from: Dave on July 13, 2023, 07:41:13 PM
Rodrigo from Leeds (see links from earlier in the summer) has gone to Saudi Arabia.
Actually off to Qatar. 

Ah yes. Thanks for the correction. 

Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2023, 06:57:31 AM
I didn’t realise Rodrigo was 32 I thought he was a promising youngster!

To give an idea of how long he's been around, he played for Bolton over a decade ago alongside Zat Knight and J Lloyd Samuel.

Ah yes I have a vague recollection of the name, but had assumed it was someone else.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 14, 2023, 11:38:22 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: mrfuse on July 14, 2023, 11:35:26 AM
Quote from: FatSam on July 14, 2023, 08:42:55 AM
Quote from: AV84 on July 13, 2023, 11:52:32 PM
I've seen Newcastle and Utd linked with him too. 
Who are Utd? 

Sheffield I always say as they are the first but I could be wrong about that. Unless the poster accidentally added "and" in between Newcastle Utd.

Genuinely can't tell if this is serious or not. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on July 14, 2023, 11:39:45 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 14, 2023, 11:38:22 AM
Quote from: mrfuse on July 14, 2023, 11:35:26 AM
Quote from: FatSam on July 14, 2023, 08:42:55 AM
Quote from: AV84 on July 13, 2023, 11:52:32 PM
I've seen Newcastle and Utd linked with him too. 
Who are Utd? 

Sheffield I always say as they are the first but I could be wrong about that. Unless the poster accidentally added "and" in between Newcastle Utd.

Genuinely can't tell if this is serious or not. 
Deadly.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on July 14, 2023, 11:40:05 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 14, 2023, 11:38:22 AM
Quote from: mrfuse on July 14, 2023, 11:35:26 AM
Quote from: FatSam on July 14, 2023, 08:42:55 AM
Quote from: AV84 on July 13, 2023, 11:52:32 PM
I've seen Newcastle and Utd linked with him too. 
Who are Utd? 

Sheffield I always say as they are the first but I could be wrong about that. Unless the poster accidentally added "and" in between Newcastle Utd.

Genuinely can't tell if this is serious or not. 

It's serious, you'll get pulled up on here fo not specifying, it's been that way for ever
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 14, 2023, 11:41:30 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on July 14, 2023, 11:40:05 AM
Quote from: AV84 on July 14, 2023, 11:38:22 AM
Quote from: mrfuse on July 14, 2023, 11:35:26 AM
Quote from: FatSam on July 14, 2023, 08:42:55 AM
Quote from: AV84 on July 13, 2023, 11:52:32 PM
I've seen Newcastle and Utd linked with him too. 
Who are Utd? 

Sheffield I always say as they are the first but I could be wrong about that. Unless the poster accidentally added "and" in between Newcastle Utd.

Genuinely can't tell if this is serious or not. 

It's serious, you'll get pulled up on here fo not specifying, it's been that way for ever

I assumed context would have made it obvious and removed any need for clarification. I'll keep it in mind next time.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 14, 2023, 11:43:25 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 14, 2023, 11:41:30 AM
Quote from: LeeB on July 14, 2023, 11:40:05 AM
Quote from: AV84 on July 14, 2023, 11:38:22 AM
Quote from: mrfuse on July 14, 2023, 11:35:26 AM
Quote from: FatSam on July 14, 2023, 08:42:55 AM
Quote from: AV84 on July 13, 2023, 11:52:32 PM
I've seen Newcastle and Utd linked with him too. 
Who are Utd? 

Sheffield I always say as they are the first but I could be wrong about that. Unless the poster accidentally added "and" in between Newcastle Utd.

Genuinely can't tell if this is serious or not. 

It's serious, you'll get pulled up on here fo not specifying, it's been that way for ever

I assumed context would have made it obvious and removed any need for clarification. I'll keep it in mind next time.

Never underestimate just how nit-picky this place can be. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on July 14, 2023, 11:44:18 AM
			

			

				You can't just say Utd.  No club has the right to that title.  Do you mean Leeds, Sheffield, Newcastle, West Ham, Carlisle, Cambridge, Oxford?  Maybe Southend?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on July 14, 2023, 11:45:48 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on July 14, 2023, 11:44:18 AM
You can just say Utd.  No club has the right to that title.  Do you mean Leeds, Sheffield, Newcastle, West Ham, Carlisle, Cambridge, Oxford?  Maybe Southend?
Dundee United too ...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 14, 2023, 11:46:02 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on July 14, 2023, 11:44:18 AM
You can just say Utd.  No club has the right to that title.  Do you mean Leeds, Sheffield, Newcastle, West Ham, Carlisle, Cambridge, Oxford?  Maybe Southend?

Yes, I meant Carlisle United were in the running to sign João Félix, and they are a much more likely destination for him than us. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on July 14, 2023, 11:46:15 AM
			

			

				Things to be irritated by
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: mrfuse on July 14, 2023, 11:46:25 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 14, 2023, 11:41:30 AM
Quote from: LeeB on July 14, 2023, 11:40:05 AM
Quote from: AV84 on July 14, 2023, 11:38:22 AM
Quote from: mrfuse on July 14, 2023, 11:35:26 AM
Quote from: FatSam on July 14, 2023, 08:42:55 AM
Quote from: AV84 on July 13, 2023, 11:52:32 PM
I've seen Newcastle and Utd linked with him too. 
Who are Utd? 

Sheffield I always say as they are the first but I could be wrong about that. Unless the poster accidentally added "and" in between Newcastle Utd.

Genuinely can't tell if this is serious or not. 

It's serious, you'll get pulled up on here fo not specifying, it's been that way for ever

I assumed context would have made it obvious and removed any need for clarification. I'll keep it in mind next time.

No worries its just a bugbear of mine. I particularly hate it in commentary when united is mentioned if its Man united vs say Newcastle. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on July 14, 2023, 11:47:07 AM
			

			

				I wouldn't say it's nit-picky.  It's more about not giving 'them' that sort of reverence.  Their shit stinks too.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Small Rodent on July 14, 2023, 11:47:32 AM
			

			

				I pull up people saying United because it plays into the arrogant mindset of their fans that there “is only one”. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on July 14, 2023, 11:47:56 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 14, 2023, 11:46:02 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on July 14, 2023, 11:44:18 AM
You can just say Utd.  No club has the right to that title.  Do you mean Leeds, Sheffield, Newcastle, West Ham, Carlisle, Cambridge, Oxford?  Maybe Southend?

Yes, I meant Carlisle United were in the running to sign João Félix, and they are a much more likely destination for him than us.
To be fair it's quite close to Dumfries. He might be a big fan of  Rabbie Burns or Beatrix Potter. Or both, they've both written stuff about animals after all. You just don't know.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 14, 2023, 11:50:59 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: algy on July 14, 2023, 11:47:56 AM
Quote from: AV84 on July 14, 2023, 11:46:02 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on July 14, 2023, 11:44:18 AM
You can just say Utd.  No club has the right to that title.  Do you mean Leeds, Sheffield, Newcastle, West Ham, Carlisle, Cambridge, Oxford?  Maybe Southend?

Yes, I meant Carlisle United were in the running to sign João Félix, and they are a much more likely destination for him than us.
To be fair it's quite close to Dumfries. He might be a big fan of  Rabbie Burns or Beatrix Potter. Or both, they've both written stuff about animals after all. You just don't know.

Or pencils - not too far to the Keswick Pencil Museum.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 14, 2023, 11:51:09 AM
			

			

				They don't like to be referred to as 'ManU'.  That's what they should be called.   
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on July 14, 2023, 11:52:10 AM
			

			

				I prefer 'c-u-n-t-s'
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on July 14, 2023, 11:54:42 AM
			

			

				I'd wager a whole lot of money that plenty of us would refer to us as United from time to time if we'd have been named so
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 14, 2023, 11:55:54 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: coreyfeldman on July 14, 2023, 11:54:42 AM
I'd wager a whole lot of money that plenty of us would refer to us as United from time to time if we'd have been named so

It's fine for their fans to refer to themselves as "United", nobody will have a problem with that.

It is when non Man United fans do it, that's a totally different issue.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on July 14, 2023, 12:01:43 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: coreyfeldman on July 14, 2023, 11:54:42 AM
I'd wager a whole lot of money that plenty of us would refer to us as United from time to time if we'd have been named so

Well yes, we refer to ourselves as Villa.

In Sheffield, when people say United they mean Sheffield, generally. ManU fans don't like it, especially when they are pulled up on it. I know ManCity fans too, and they say City, so I ask why they are talking about Leicester.

We're so very lucky to be unique like that.

There was a TV interview when Sheffield U played ManU, and the interviewer, when speaking to a SheffU player, referred to United. The idiot then responded, accepting the ManU name tag. I was appalled.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on July 14, 2023, 12:01:53 PM
			

			

				I didn't realise how many rules there were to being cantankerous
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on July 14, 2023, 12:05:36 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: coreyfeldman on July 14, 2023, 12:01:53 PM
I didn't realise how many rules there were to being cantankerous
It's not being cantankerous.  It's just not buying into the narrative that some clubs have a god given right to be more superior to others.  If you don't rage against the machine you end up with shite like the Super League and the constant Sky references to the BIg 6.

Fuck them.  Fuck 'em all.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Kevin Dawson on July 14, 2023, 12:07:03 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on July 14, 2023, 12:01:43 PM
Quote from: coreyfeldman on July 14, 2023, 11:54:42 AM
I'd wager a whole lot of money that plenty of us would refer to us as United from time to time if we'd have been named so

Well yes, we refer to ourselves as Villa.

In Sheffield, when people say United they mean Sheffield, generally. ManU fans don't like it, especially when they are pulled up on it. I know ManCity fans too, and they say City, so I ask why they are talking about Leicester.

We're so very lucky to be unique like that.

There was a TV interview when Sheffield U played ManU, and the interviewer, when speaking to a SheffU player, referred to United. The idiot then responded, accepting the ManU name tag. I was appalled.

I always refer to us as The Villa, rather than just Villa......
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 14, 2023, 12:07:34 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on July 14, 2023, 11:33:42 AM
Agree that a goalkeeper will probably be done with very little lead-up. Should be very good with playing it out. 

We've been linked with a highly rated 20 year old from Valencia. Meant to be rapid. 

Anyone else noticing the emphasis on pace? Pau - top 5 fastest players in Spain. Diaby - one of the fastest players in Europe. Johnson - fastest player in the Premier League last season. 

Defenders could get very worried about facing us.

Quite right too - the team that finished last season was a bit slower than most I’d say.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on July 14, 2023, 12:08:00 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on July 14, 2023, 12:05:36 PM
Quote from: coreyfeldman on July 14, 2023, 12:01:53 PM
I didn't realise how many rules there were to being cantankerous
It's not being cantankerous.  It's just not buying into the narrative that some clubs have a god given right to be more superior to others.  If you don't rage against the machine you end up with shite like the Super League and the constant Sky references to the BIg 6.

Fuck them.  Fuck 'em all.

Right on comrade, that's what will make a difference in this world: nit picking about how people refer to other football clubs. Thanks for alerting me to the good fight 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on July 14, 2023, 12:08:50 PM
			

			

				We are The Villa.  There's only one.  We're not belittling any other club's identity by referring to ourselves in that way.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 14, 2023, 12:09:38 PM
			

			

				Again, I feel like the context I used it in made it clear who I was talking about. 

If the conversation had been about football in general then I would have specified, and I'm pretty sure I always have specified except for that one post. 

Anyway..... have we signed anyone yet?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on July 14, 2023, 12:10:08 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Kevin Dawson on July 14, 2023, 12:07:03 PM
Quote from: Drummond on July 14, 2023, 12:01:43 PM
Quote from: coreyfeldman on July 14, 2023, 11:54:42 AM
I'd wager a whole lot of money that plenty of us would refer to us as United from time to time if we'd have been named so

Well yes, we refer to ourselves as Villa.

In Sheffield, when people say United they mean Sheffield, generally. ManU fans don't like it, especially when they are pulled up on it. I know ManCity fans too, and they say City, so I ask why they are talking about Leicester.

We're so very lucky to be unique like that.

There was a TV interview when Sheffield U played ManU, and the interviewer, when speaking to a SheffU player, referred to United. The idiot then responded, accepting the ManU name tag. I was appalled.

I always refer to us as The Villa, rather than just Villa......

Well yes, you're right, as do I! Which some people find odd, until they realise we are actually 'The' Villa.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on July 14, 2023, 12:11:00 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on July 14, 2023, 12:05:36 PM
Quote from: coreyfeldman on July 14, 2023, 12:01:53 PM
I didn't realise how many rules there were to being cantankerous
It's not being cantankerous.  It's just not buying into the narrative that some clubs have a god given right to be more superior to others.  If you don't rage against the machine you end up with shite like the Super League and the constant Sky references to the BIg 6.

Fuck them.  Fuck 'em all.

I agree.

' City' really annoys me as I remember before their takeover nobody referred to them as that apart from obviously Mancs. They were always called Man City. 

Then you saw people gradually referring to them as just 'City' as if it's the familiar club from down the road they've always been interested in.

 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on July 14, 2023, 12:13:07 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on July 14, 2023, 12:01:43 PM
Quote from: coreyfeldman on July 14, 2023, 11:54:42 AM
I'd wager a whole lot of money that plenty of us would refer to us as United from time to time if we'd have been named so

Well yes, we refer to ourselves as Villa.

In Sheffield, when people say United they mean Sheffield, generally. ManU fans don't like it, especially when they are pulled up on it. I know ManCity fans too, and they say City, so I ask why they are talking about Leicester.

We're so very lucky to be unique like that.

There was a TV interview when Sheffield U played ManU, and the interviewer, when speaking to a SheffU player, referred to United. The idiot then responded, accepting the ManU name tag. I was appalled.

It's appalling.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on July 14, 2023, 12:13:42 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 14, 2023, 12:09:38 PM
Again, I feel like the context I used it in made it clear who I was talking about. 

It's not about that.  You're really not getting this are you?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on July 14, 2023, 12:18:26 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 14, 2023, 12:09:38 PM
Again, I feel like the context I used it in made it clear who I was talking about. 

If the conversation had been about football in general then I would have specified, and I'm pretty sure I always have specified except for that one post. 

Anyway..... have we signed anyone yet?

The key really is in the orginal post. You mentioned Newcastle and United.

Newcastle are United. And so are many other clubs. By accepting, and using United as a way of referring to ManU, you are perpetuating the problem.

That club have no divine right to expect anyone else to call them United. None whatsoever.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 14, 2023, 12:23:04 PM
			

			

				Sheffield were the first United.

I usually call the other lot Manure.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 14, 2023, 12:23:28 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: coreyfeldman on July 14, 2023, 12:01:53 PM
I didn't realise how many rules there were to being cantankerous

We like full stops as well.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on July 14, 2023, 12:25:27 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on July 14, 2023, 12:18:26 PM
Quote from: AV84 on July 14, 2023, 12:09:38 PM
Again, I feel like the context I used it in made it clear who I was talking about. 

If the conversation had been about football in general then I would have specified, and I'm pretty sure I always have specified except for that one post. 

Anyway..... have we signed anyone yet?

The key really is in the orginal post. You mentioned Newcastle and United.

Newcastle are United. And so are many other clubs. By accepting, and using United as a way of referring to ManU, you are perpetuating the problem.

That club have no divine right to expect anyone else to call them United. None whatsoever.

I honestly cannot believe that anyone would give this much of a fuck, you people have nothing else to think about?

full stop
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2023, 12:27:52 PM
			

			

				Can’t say I get overly exercised about it to be honest. It depends if you ascribe any additional value to the club referred to as “United” or not. I think it’s just an identifier, because they’ve been the most prominent club with that name for a period of time. Doesn’t mean they’re more important in my eyes, just more prominent at this time. 


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Des Little on July 14, 2023, 12:27:58 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on July 14, 2023, 12:11:00 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on July 14, 2023, 12:05:36 PM
Quote from: coreyfeldman on July 14, 2023, 12:01:53 PM
I didn't realise how many rules there were to being cantankerous
It's not being cantankerous.  It's just not buying into the narrative that some clubs have a god given right to be more superior to others.  If you don't rage against the machine you end up with shite like the Super League and the constant Sky references to the BIg 6.

Fuck them.  Fuck 'em all.

I agree.

' City' really annoys me as I remember before their takeover nobody referred to them as that apart from obviously Mancs. They were always called Man City. 

Then you saw people gradually referring to them as just 'City' as if it's the familiar club from down the road they've always been interested in.

 

At least our neighbours have eased this issue, by becoming more commonly know as 'The D.ogshit'.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on July 14, 2023, 12:32:50 PM
			

			

				Corey

If you feel this way you have no right whatsoever to complain when the press, TV and radio fawn over London & Manchester clubs and marginalise the rest.  You're buying into their narrative and their bias.  You are accepting the huge advantage these clubs benefit from in terms of publicity and favourable treatment.  Either you accept they are superior or you don't.

I don't.  Genuflecting to the Manchester clubs isn't for me, but you crack on. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 14, 2023, 12:40:18 PM
			

			

				Anyway Fuck Yanited Manure  or whatever they are called ,  Diaby and Johnson do we think these well both happen ?:
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on July 14, 2023, 12:45:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: coreyfeldman on July 14, 2023, 12:25:27 PM
Quote from: Drummond on July 14, 2023, 12:18:26 PM
Quote from: AV84 on July 14, 2023, 12:09:38 PM
Again, I feel like the context I used it in made it clear who I was talking about. 

If the conversation had been about football in general then I would have specified, and I'm pretty sure I always have specified except for that one post. 

Anyway..... have we signed anyone yet?

The key really is in the orginal post. You mentioned Newcastle and United.

Newcastle are United. And so are many other clubs. By accepting, and using United as a way of referring to ManU, you are perpetuating the problem.

That club have no divine right to expect anyone else to call them United. None whatsoever.

I honestly cannot believe that anyone would give this much of a fuck, you people have nothing else to think about?

full stop

Of course we don’t. We are a bunch of sad individuals that have got nothing better to do than go on a football forum in middle of the day and get all exercised about not a lot

It’s great
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on July 14, 2023, 12:47:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on July 14, 2023, 11:33:42 AM
Agree that a goalkeeper will probably be done with very little lead-up. Should be very good with playing it out. 

We've been linked with a highly rated 20 year old from Valencia. Meant to be rapid. 

Anyone else noticing the emphasis on pace? Pau - top 5 fastest players in Spain. Diaby - one of the fastest players in Europe. Johnson - fastest player in the Premier League last season.

Defenders could get very worried about facing us.

Yep. 

And I love it... 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 14, 2023, 12:49:34 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on July 14, 2023, 12:08:50 PM
We are The Villa.  There's only one.  We're not belittling any other club's identity by referring to ourselves in that way.

Mind you, they got pretty annoyed on the Eston Villa forum when fans of Levadia referred to 'The Villa' as possible UECL opponents, and rightly so.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Duncan Shaw on July 14, 2023, 12:52:11 PM
			

			

				Aaah, the old "ooh the transfer thread has added 3 pages quickly" excitement, only to realise it's a debate about who is United.


That's why I love this place so much!!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on July 14, 2023, 12:53:41 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: coreyfeldman on July 14, 2023, 12:25:27 PM
Quote from: Drummond on July 14, 2023, 12:18:26 PM
Quote from: AV84 on July 14, 2023, 12:09:38 PM
Again, I feel like the context I used it in made it clear who I was talking about. 

If the conversation had been about football in general then I would have specified, and I'm pretty sure I always have specified except for that one post. 

Anyway..... have we signed anyone yet?

The key really is in the orginal post. You mentioned Newcastle and United.

Newcastle are United. And so are many other clubs. By accepting, and using United as a way of referring to ManU, you are perpetuating the problem.

That club have no divine right to expect anyone else to call them United. None whatsoever.

I honestly cannot believe that anyone would give this much of a fuck, you people have nothing else to think about?

full stop

Crikey, I can't believe you can get so worked up about other people giving a toss.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on July 14, 2023, 12:54:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Duncan Shaw on July 14, 2023, 12:52:11 PM
Aaah, the old "ooh the transfer thread has added 3 pages quickly" excitement, only to realise it's a debate about who is United.


That's why I love this place so much!!

We're definitely not united. Or United.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 14, 2023, 01:00:30 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on July 14, 2023, 12:13:42 PM
Quote from: AV84 on July 14, 2023, 12:09:38 PM
Again, I feel like the context I used it in made it clear who I was talking about. 

It's not about that.  You're really not getting this are you?

What's not to get? 

Two people decided to get pedantic about a post I made despite the fact it was very obvious who I was talking about. The thread has since been derailed for about 2 pages by rants about fighting the power. 

I understand the wider context you're all so bent out of shape about, but it doesn't apply here, and that's why I've pointed out, 3 times now, that the outrage, vitriol, anger, whatever is misplaced and in this case you're choosing to get annoyed about it. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on July 14, 2023, 01:01:11 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on July 14, 2023, 12:54:18 PM
Quote from: Duncan Shaw on July 14, 2023, 12:52:11 PM
Aaah, the old "ooh the transfer thread has added 3 pages quickly" excitement, only to realise it's a debate about who is United.


That's why I love this place so much!!

We're definitely not united. Or United.

Is anybody The United?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 14, 2023, 01:03:33 PM
			

			

				As opposing fans briefly sang to them during a fairly pervasive ad campaign in (I think) the seventies: there’s only one United, and that’s a chocolate biscuit.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 14, 2023, 01:05:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 14, 2023, 01:00:30 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on July 14, 2023, 12:13:42 PM
Quote from: AV84 on July 14, 2023, 12:09:38 PM
Again, I feel like the context I used it in made it clear who I was talking about. 

It's not about that.  You're really not getting this are you?

What's not to get? 

Two people decided to get pedantic about a post I made despite the fact it was very obvious who I was talking about. The thread has since been derailed for about 2 pages by rants about fighting the power. 

I understand the wider context you're all so bent out of shape about, but it doesn't apply here, and that's why I've pointed out, 3 times now, that the outrage, vitriol, anger, whatever is misplaced and in this case you're chosing to get annoyed about it. 

I wasn’t in any way annoyed, so didn’t comment, but the context wasn’t clear at all. You said Newcastle were playing United. It looked incongruous given that Newcastle are called United.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on July 14, 2023, 01:05:32 PM
			

			

				And you still can't get a Trio.  :'(
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on July 14, 2023, 01:07:31 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 14, 2023, 01:00:30 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on July 14, 2023, 12:13:42 PM
Quote from: AV84 on July 14, 2023, 12:09:38 PM
Again, I feel like the context I used it in made it clear who I was talking about. 

It's not about that.  You're really not getting this are you?

What's not to get? 

Two people decided to get pedantic about a post I made despite the fact it was very obvious who I was talking about. The thread has since been derailed for about 2 pages by rants about fighting the power. 

I understand the wider context you're all so bent out of shape about, but it doesn't apply here, and that's why I've pointed out, 3 times now, that the outrage, vitriol, anger, whatever is misplaced and in this case you're choosing to get annoyed about it.

It was obvious who you were talking about. And that's the problem, it shouldn't be. It absolutely does apply here, and everywhere else it happens, except, perhaps in Manchester. 

I get annoyed by it whenever it happens, because it shouldn't happen.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 14, 2023, 01:08:02 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 14, 2023, 01:00:30 PM
Two people decided to get pedantic about a post I made despite the fact it was very obvious who I was talking about. The thread has since been derailed for about 2 pages by rants about fighting the power. 

I understand the wider context you're all so bent out of shape about, but it doesn't apply here, and that's why I've pointed out, 3 times now, that the outrage, vitriol, anger, whatever is misplaced and in this case you're choosing to get annoyed about it. 

*slowly shakes head*

You still don't get it. 

If we're not doing exactly what you said we're doing above, what on earth would we talk about.

If you think this is bad, you should have been around when Villadawg was here and we'd have 20 page rucks about Spurs' wage bill.

This very site, extremely recently, was the scene of a multi-page argument over whether "Villa" is singular or plural.

In the world of Villa forums, VillaTalk = younger posters, more discussion of football, very meme heavy. 

H&V = basically a bunch of almost exclusively left wing forty somethings arguing over the most unimportant things ever and taking absolutely every single opportunity to be pedantic.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on July 14, 2023, 01:10:04 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 14, 2023, 01:08:02 PM
Quote from: AV84 on July 14, 2023, 01:00:30 PM
Two people decided to get pedantic about a post I made despite the fact it was very obvious who I was talking about. The thread has since been derailed for about 2 pages by rants about fighting the power. 

I understand the wider context you're all so bent out of shape about, but it doesn't apply here, and that's why I've pointed out, 3 times now, that the outrage, vitriol, anger, whatever is misplaced and in this case you're choosing to get annoyed about it. 

*slowly shakes head*

You still don't get it. 

If we're not doing exactly what you said we're doing above, what on earth would we talk about.

If you think this is bad, you should have been around when Villadawg was here and we'd have 20 page rucks about Spurs' wage bill.

This very site, extremely recently, was the scene of a multi-page argument over whether "Villa" is singular or plural.

In the world of Villa forums, VillaTalk = younger posters, more discussion of football, very meme heavy. 

H&V = basically a bunch of almost exclusively left wing forty somethings arguing over the most unimportant things ever and taking absolutely every single opportunity to be pedantic.

Excuse me, I'm a fifty something.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 14, 2023, 01:11:04 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on July 14, 2023, 01:10:04 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 14, 2023, 01:08:02 PM
Quote from: AV84 on July 14, 2023, 01:00:30 PM
Two people decided to get pedantic about a post I made despite the fact it was very obvious who I was talking about. The thread has since been derailed for about 2 pages by rants about fighting the power. 

I understand the wider context you're all so bent out of shape about, but it doesn't apply here, and that's why I've pointed out, 3 times now, that the outrage, vitriol, anger, whatever is misplaced and in this case you're choosing to get annoyed about it. 

*slowly shakes head*

You still don't get it. 

If we're not doing exactly what you said we're doing above, what on earth would we talk about.

If you think this is bad, you should have been around when Villadawg was here and we'd have 20 page rucks about Spurs' wage bill.

This very site, extremely recently, was the scene of a multi-page argument over whether "Villa" is singular or plural.

In the world of Villa forums, VillaTalk = younger posters, more discussion of football, very meme heavy. 

H&V = basically a bunch of almost exclusively left wing forty somethings arguing over the most unimportant things ever and taking absolutely every single opportunity to be pedantic.

Excuse me, I'm a fifty something.

So am I, sadly, but you know what I mean.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 14, 2023, 01:11:37 PM
			

			

				I'll have you know I'm neither left wing (happily!) or forty something (sadly!). :)

But yes, if meandering off topic isn't for you, then VT is probably the place, where even mentioning a player different to the one the topic is about leads to threats of deletions, bans and red text everywhere.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on July 14, 2023, 01:12:02 PM
			

			

				I prefer this place and the more mature gents who post here.

VT was a bit weird for me.


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 14, 2023, 01:12:03 PM
			

			

				WhileI fall squarely into the demographic you describe, Paulie, you’re going to have Ads and Monty right on your back. For two reasons!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on July 14, 2023, 01:12:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 14, 2023, 01:08:02 PM
Quote from: AV84 on July 14, 2023, 01:00:30 PM
Two people decided to get pedantic about a post I made despite the fact it was very obvious who I was talking about. The thread has since been derailed for about 2 pages by rants about fighting the power. 

I understand the wider context you're all so bent out of shape about, but it doesn't apply here, and that's why I've pointed out, 3 times now, that the outrage, vitriol, anger, whatever is misplaced and in this case you're choosing to get annoyed about it. 

*slowly shakes head*

You still don't get it. 

If we're not doing exactly what you said we're doing above, what on earth would we talk about.

If you think this is bad, you should have been around when Villadawg was here and we'd have 20 page rucks about Spurs' wage bill.

This very site, extremely recently, was the scene of a multi-page argument over whether "Villa" is singular or plural.

In the world of Villa forums, VillaTalk = younger posters, more discussion of football, very meme heavy. 

H&V = basically a bunch of almost exclusively left wing forty somethings arguing over the most unimportant things ever and taking absolutely every single opportunity to be pedantic.

Excuse me, I only take approximately 99.9% of opportunities to be pedantic, thankyou.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on July 14, 2023, 01:13:45 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 14, 2023, 01:11:04 PM
Quote from: Drummond on July 14, 2023, 01:10:04 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 14, 2023, 01:08:02 PM
Quote from: AV84 on July 14, 2023, 01:00:30 PM
Two people decided to get pedantic about a post I made despite the fact it was very obvious who I was talking about. The thread has since been derailed for about 2 pages by rants about fighting the power. 

I understand the wider context you're all so bent out of shape about, but it doesn't apply here, and that's why I've pointed out, 3 times now, that the outrage, vitriol, anger, whatever is misplaced and in this case you're choosing to get annoyed about it. 

*slowly shakes head*

You still don't get it. 

If we're not doing exactly what you said we're doing above, what on earth would we talk about.

If you think this is bad, you should have been around when Villadawg was here and we'd have 20 page rucks about Spurs' wage bill.

This very site, extremely recently, was the scene of a multi-page argument over whether "Villa" is singular or plural.

In the world of Villa forums, VillaTalk = younger posters, more discussion of football, very meme heavy. 

H&V = basically a bunch of almost exclusively left wing forty somethings arguing over the most unimportant things ever and taking absolutely every single opportunity to be pedantic.

Excuse me, I'm a fifty something.

So am I, sadly, but you know what I mean.

Oh I do, but given the very last line of your post, I couldn't resist.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on July 14, 2023, 01:14:07 PM
			

			

				Risso and walnuts:


(https://i.ibb.co/c1d75wZ/hello-fellow-kids.jpg) (https://ibb.co/c1d75wZ)

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on July 14, 2023, 01:14:07 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on July 14, 2023, 01:12:02 PM
I prefer this place and the more mature gents who post here.

VT was a bit weird for me.

Kevin Spacey would have loved you.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on July 14, 2023, 01:15:33 PM
			

			

				Maybe we should have a poll.....Heads to Off-Topic....
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on July 14, 2023, 01:15:35 PM
			

			

				VillaTalk wouldn't let me join.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 14, 2023, 01:15:40 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on July 14, 2023, 01:11:37 PM
I'll have you know I'm neither left wing (happily!) or forty something (sadly!). :) 

I am Spartacus.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 14, 2023, 01:18:11 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 14, 2023, 01:15:35 PM
VillaTalk wouldn't let me join.

We'll take any old riff-raff here. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on July 14, 2023, 01:19:04 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on July 14, 2023, 01:18:11 PM
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 14, 2023, 01:15:35 PM
VillaTalk wouldn't let me join.

We'll take any old riff-raff here.

This I have discovered!  ;D
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on July 14, 2023, 01:19:25 PM
			

			

				I don't like to get parochial, but Villa Talk is shite and makes my eyes bleed
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bad English on July 14, 2023, 01:19:27 PM
			

			

				Referring to Newton Heath as 'United" is a heinous crime and posters who do this should be given a friendly but vigorous online bashing. 

Why all the discussion? Tsk!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 14, 2023, 01:20:37 PM
			

			

				Who was it on here who used to refer to Old Trafford as The Theatre of Dreams, without any hint of irony whatsoever?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on July 14, 2023, 01:21:36 PM
			

			

				Coopers Injury?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 14, 2023, 01:22:11 PM
			

			

				Yep
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 14, 2023, 01:22:43 PM
			

			

				It annoys me when we go off topic sometimes when I am looking for News .  However I love you lefty baldy middle-aged  loonies 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: trinityoap on July 14, 2023, 01:22:56 PM
			

			

				I'm sure we could get an argument going on here about a blank page. Great ,isn't it? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 14, 2023, 01:23:25 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 14, 2023, 01:05:18 PM
I wasn’t in any way annoyed, so didn’t comment, but the context wasn’t clear at all. You said Newcastle were playing United. It looked incongruous given that Newcastle are called United.
[/quote]

No, I said two other clubs were interested in him, Newcastle and Utd. In reply to a comment about us apparently being the only team interested in Joao Felix, a player who is open to a premier league return, has repeatedly said he wants to move to a Champions League team.

In that context, and given I named Newcastle, there is no other United I could have been talking about. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 14, 2023, 01:23:34 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on July 14, 2023, 01:22:43 PM
It annoys me when we go off topic sometimes when I am looking for News .  However I love you lefty baldy middle-aged  loonies 

Thanks mate.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 14, 2023, 01:25:00 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on July 14, 2023, 01:22:43 PM
It annoys me when we go off topic sometimes when I am looking for News .  However I love you lefty baldy middle-aged  loonies 

Cheers, love U2 you too.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on July 14, 2023, 01:31:36 PM
			

			

				Who was it on here who once called Michael Carrick. 'the footballers footballer'? Ahh, great days. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on July 14, 2023, 01:34:03 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on July 14, 2023, 01:11:37 PM
But yes, if meandering off topic isn't for you, then VT is probably the place, where even mentioning a player different to the one the topic is about leads to threats of deletions, bans and red text everywhere.

Along with being a long time member, but still getting a temporary ban extended to a permanent ban, with zero prior warnings, just because you have the audacity to argue back to the admin, when they were afraid of losing their access to that Krulak chap, after questioning Krulak quite "healthily" about our downfall on the public thread, just as we were starting our downfall. (Had some pretty vigorous discussions with him in DM too, where he was more honest.)

Some might say that signing Steve Sidwell was a sign of the hell that was to come... 😂
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on July 14, 2023, 01:36:12 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 14, 2023, 01:08:02 PM
Quote from: AV84 on July 14, 2023, 01:00:30 PM
Two people decided to get pedantic about a post I made despite the fact it was very obvious who I was talking about. The thread has since been derailed for about 2 pages by rants about fighting the power. 

I understand the wider context you're all so bent out of shape about, but it doesn't apply here, and that's why I've pointed out, 3 times now, that the outrage, vitriol, anger, whatever is misplaced and in this case you're choosing to get annoyed about it. 

*slowly shakes head*

You still don't get it. 

If we're not doing exactly what you said we're doing above, what on earth would we talk about.

If you think this is bad, you should have been around when Villadawg was here and we'd have 20 page rucks about Spurs' wage bill.

This very site, extremely recently, was the scene of a multi-page argument over whether "Villa" is singular or plural.

In the world of Villa forums, VillaTalk = younger posters, more discussion of football, very meme heavy. 

H&V = basically a bunch of almost exclusively left wing forty somethings arguing over the most unimportant things ever and taking absolutely every single opportunity to be pedantic.

We haven’t had a decent left winger here since Ashley Young first time round
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ads on July 14, 2023, 01:36:37 PM
			

			

				Diaby getting closer apparently. The only thing I know is that his pace is 94 on Fifa 23 as my lad was playing as Leverkusen the other day. Mark Wood rapid that.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 14, 2023, 01:36:37 PM
			

			

				Do VT still do that red text thing and talk about 'posting for effect' all the time?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 14, 2023, 01:37:02 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on July 14, 2023, 01:22:43 PM
It annoys me when we go off topic sometimes when I am looking for News .  However I love you lefty baldy middle-aged  loonies 

It only veers off when there's literally nothing happening. As soon as it does there are pages devoted to whoever.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 14, 2023, 01:37:53 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: SoccerHQ on July 14, 2023, 11:00:34 AM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on July 14, 2023, 01:17:54 AM
So Diaby and Bailey played together for 2 seasons, both racking up 50 - 60 appearances each over those 2 seasons, anyone know how that worked? Did they always just sub for each other? Need some German football expert here.

Diaby played more as a central striker, Bailey stayed out wide.

Cheers SHQ. Bit of versatility then, makes sense.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 14, 2023, 01:38:33 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on July 14, 2023, 01:37:02 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on July 14, 2023, 01:22:43 PM
It annoys me when we go off topic sometimes when I am looking for News .  However I love you lefty baldy middle-aged  loonies 

It only veers off when there's literally nothing happening. As soon as it does there are pages devoted to whoever.

Oh yes I know , it wasn't a criticism,  I wouldn't be anywhere else !! :D
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 14, 2023, 01:40:03 PM
			

			

				Someone is going to check the site for the first time today some time soon and see this thread and think "Fucking hell! Another five pages! We must be close to signing someone" and then actually look at this, and see it was originally an argument about use of the word "United" which then turned into a secondary long discussion about drifting off topic.

Marvellous.

Serves them right for not looking at the site for hours and hours.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on July 14, 2023, 01:41:26 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ads on July 14, 2023, 01:36:37 PM
Diaby getting closer apparently. The only thing I know is that his pace is 94 on Fifa 23 as my lad was playing as Leverkusen the other day. Mark Wood rapid that.

What's the source Ads? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 14, 2023, 01:41:59 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 14, 2023, 01:36:37 PM
Do VT still do that red text thing and talk about 'posting for effect' all the time?

The red text, yes, haven't noticed any mentions of PFE though. They will not tolerate even the slightest deviation from a topic in the main Villa area though, and that's why I hardly ever post there any more. Every topic has to have a label, and if you so much as mention something that isn't to do with it then out comes the red text and warnings. The Off Topic area isn't quite as bad, but I prefer it here in any case. When you post regularly you get to know most people and their personalities, and when you don't it's not as enjoyable. The forum software they use I quite like though (apart from the embedded tweets). You can mention somebody eg @pauliewalnuts and they'll get a notification that you've mentioned them. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 14, 2023, 01:43:55 PM
			

			

				Well, the last few pages have cheered me up no end. AV84, don’t take it to heart, you’ve been a really good new poster until that fuck up. :-) 
It’s mainly tongue in cheek really but it does wind me up with the ‘United’ thing too, fucking arrogant bastards who think they’re the only one. Fuck em. It’s like giving them too much respect.
As for Villa Talk, you’re not missing much if they won’t let you join. Fuck them an all.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 14, 2023, 01:47:43 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ads on July 14, 2023, 01:36:37 PM
Diaby getting closer apparently. The only thing I know is that his pace is 94 on Fifa 23 as my lad was playing as Leverkusen the other day. Mark Wood rapid that.

That would be good news, looking at the compilation clips he looks seriously quick.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on July 14, 2023, 01:48:54 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 14, 2023, 01:43:55 PM
Well, the last few pages have cheered me up no end. AV84, don’t take it to heart, you’ve been a really good new poster until that fuck up. :-) 
It’s mainly tongue in cheek really but it does wind me up with the ‘United’ thing too, fucking arrogant bastards who think they’re the only one. Fuck em. It’s like giving them too much respect.
As for Villa Talk, you’re not missing much if they won’t let you join. Fuck them an all.

Yeah, the whole conversation with the idiot made me realise it wasn't going to be my thing. It reminded me of the old days of IRC when power-mad ops would completely ruin channels.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: UK Redsox on July 14, 2023, 01:49:06 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on July 14, 2023, 01:37:02 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on July 14, 2023, 01:22:43 PM
It annoys me when we go off topic sometimes when I am looking for News .  However I love you lefty baldy middle-aged  loonies 

It only veers off when there's literally nothing happening. As soon as it does there are pages devoted to whoever.

whomever ?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 14, 2023, 01:55:30 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ads on July 14, 2023, 01:36:37 PM
Diaby getting closer apparently. The only thing I know is that his pace is 94 on Fifa 23 as my lad was playing as Leverkusen the other day. Mark Wood rapid that.

Please stick to the topic currently under discussion.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 14, 2023, 01:56:37 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: UK Redsox on July 14, 2023, 01:49:06 PM
Quote from: Risso on July 14, 2023, 01:37:02 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on July 14, 2023, 01:22:43 PM
It annoys me when we go off topic sometimes when I am looking for News .  However I love you lefty baldy middle-aged  loonies 

It only veers off when there's literally nothing happening. As soon as it does there are pages devoted to whoever.

whomever ?

No, I think 'whoever' is right. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 14, 2023, 02:01:44 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ads on July 14, 2023, 01:36:37 PM
Diaby getting closer apparently. The only thing I know is that his pace is 94 on Fifa 23 as my lad was playing as Leverkusen the other day. Mark Wood rapid that.

Which Diaby? Abou? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on July 14, 2023, 02:02:33 PM
			

			

				I totally forgot VT existed so I just had a quick look. It's horrendous and extremely slow. I like how it tells you what the thread is about. For example, under Tyrone Mings, it says 'player'. Weird. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on July 14, 2023, 02:03:20 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 14, 2023, 01:43:55 PM
Well, the last few pages have cheered me up no end. AV84, don’t take it to heart, you’ve been a really good new poster until that fuck up. :-) 
It’s mainly tongue in cheek really but it does wind me up with the ‘United’ thing too, fucking arrogant bastards who think they’re the only one. Fuck em. It’s like giving them too much respect.
As for Villa Talk, you’re not missing much if they won’t let you join. Fuck them an all.

Yep, AV84 don't linger on it, just remember to use ManU or ManUre going forward, it's not like it's even any longer to type.

VillaTalk is bad but at least it's one of the few fan forums around that isn't garish in it's choice of colours. If they'd get rid of profile pictures and would let the conversation flow naturally it'd be much better. It's no TBAR though, which was probably the saddest thing on the internet.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on July 14, 2023, 02:04:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 14, 2023, 01:48:54 PM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 14, 2023, 01:43:55 PM
Well, the last few pages have cheered me up no end. AV84, don’t take it to heart, you’ve been a really good new poster until that fuck up. :-) 
It’s mainly tongue in cheek really but it does wind me up with the ‘United’ thing too, fucking arrogant bastards who think they’re the only one. Fuck em. It’s like giving them too much respect.
As for Villa Talk, you’re not missing much if they won’t let you join. Fuck them an all.

Yeah, the whole conversation with the idiot made me realise it wasn't going to be my thing. It reminded me of the old days of IRC when power-mad ops would completely ruin channels.
What you actually had a conversation with a mod and they refused to let you join?  Wtf is that all about?  I haven't been on VT for years.  I just haven't got time for a bit on the side.    
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 14, 2023, 02:05:45 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clampy on July 14, 2023, 02:02:33 PM
I totally forgot VT existed so I just had a quick look. It's horrendous and extremely slow. I like how it tells you what the thread is about. For example, under Tyrone Mings, it says 'player'. Weird. 

Then again, I'm not sure why we have developed weird suffixes in our thread titles about what particular players are up to.

"Captain 22/23" 
"Out Injured" (even though he isn't)
"on loan at Plymouth" (even though he isn't)
"Thank you and goodbye"
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 14, 2023, 02:06:30 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 14, 2023, 01:08:02 PM
Quote from: AV84 on July 14, 2023, 01:00:30 PM
Two people decided to get pedantic about a post I made despite the fact it was very obvious who I was talking about. The thread has since been derailed for about 2 pages by rants about fighting the power. 

I understand the wider context you're all so bent out of shape about, but it doesn't apply here, and that's why I've pointed out, 3 times now, that the outrage, vitriol, anger, whatever is misplaced and in this case you're choosing to get annoyed about it. 

*slowly shakes head*

You still don't get it. 

If we're not doing exactly what you said we're doing above, what on earth would we talk about.

If you think this is bad, you should have been around when Villadawg was here and we'd have 20 page rucks about Spurs' wage bill.

This very site, extremely recently, was the scene of a multi-page argument over whether "Villa" is singular or plural.

In the world of Villa forums, VillaTalk = younger posters, more discussion of football, very meme heavy. 

H&V = basically a bunch of almost exclusively left wing forty somethings arguing over the most unimportant things ever and taking absolutely every single opportunity to be pedantic.

Nonsense. I'm not 40 for another month 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on July 14, 2023, 02:07:03 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on July 14, 2023, 02:04:17 PM
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 14, 2023, 01:48:54 PM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 14, 2023, 01:43:55 PM
Well, the last few pages have cheered me up no end. AV84, don’t take it to heart, you’ve been a really good new poster until that fuck up. :-) 
It’s mainly tongue in cheek really but it does wind me up with the ‘United’ thing too, fucking arrogant bastards who think they’re the only one. Fuck em. It’s like giving them too much respect.
As for Villa Talk, you’re not missing much if they won’t let you join. Fuck them an all.

Yeah, the whole conversation with the idiot made me realise it wasn't going to be my thing. It reminded me of the old days of IRC when power-mad ops would completely ruin channels.
What you actually had a conversation with a mod and they refused to let you join?  Wtf is that all about?  I haven't been on VT for years.  I just haven't got time for a bit on the side.   

They wanted to see my facebook page to prove who I was. I don't use facebook. I gave them my LinkedIn, which had enough info to call my place of work and speak to me at my desk, but apparently that wasn't good enough as I 'could be anyone'.

I said I wasn't really interested in playing their sad little games and came here instead.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on July 14, 2023, 02:08:00 PM
			

			

				Wow!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 14, 2023, 02:09:42 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 14, 2023, 02:07:03 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on July 14, 2023, 02:04:17 PM
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 14, 2023, 01:48:54 PM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 14, 2023, 01:43:55 PM
Well, the last few pages have cheered me up no end. AV84, don’t take it to heart, you’ve been a really good new poster until that fuck up. :-) 
It’s mainly tongue in cheek really but it does wind me up with the ‘United’ thing too, fucking arrogant bastards who think they’re the only one. Fuck em. It’s like giving them too much respect.
As for Villa Talk, you’re not missing much if they won’t let you join. Fuck them an all.

Yeah, the whole conversation with the idiot made me realise it wasn't going to be my thing. It reminded me of the old days of IRC when power-mad ops would completely ruin channels.
What you actually had a conversation with a mod and they refused to let you join?  Wtf is that all about?  I haven't been on VT for years.  I just haven't got time for a bit on the side.   

They wanted to see my facebook page to prove who I was. I don't use facebook. I gave them my LinkedIn, which had enough info to call my place of work and speak to me at my desk, but apparently that wasn't good enough as I 'could be anyone'.

I said I wasn't really interested in playing their sad little games and came here instead.

Just your full name and credit card details required for this site 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: UK Redsox on July 14, 2023, 02:11:05 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on July 14, 2023, 01:56:37 PM
Quote from: UK Redsox on July 14, 2023, 01:49:06 PM
Quote from: Risso on July 14, 2023, 01:37:02 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on July 14, 2023, 01:22:43 PM
It annoys me when we go off topic sometimes when I am looking for News .  However I love you lefty baldy middle-aged  loonies 

It only veers off when there's literally nothing happening. As soon as it does there are pages devoted to whoever.

whomever ?

No, I think 'whoever' is right. 

Possibly, but 'dedicated to he' doesn't scan whereas 'dedicated to him/them' does

Mind you, I managed to get an O Level in English Language without ever knowing the difference between a verb, adverb, adjective etc :)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on July 14, 2023, 02:11:27 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 14, 2023, 02:07:03 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on July 14, 2023, 02:04:17 PM
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 14, 2023, 01:48:54 PM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 14, 2023, 01:43:55 PM
Well, the last few pages have cheered me up no end. AV84, don’t take it to heart, you’ve been a really good new poster until that fuck up. :-) 
It’s mainly tongue in cheek really but it does wind me up with the ‘United’ thing too, fucking arrogant bastards who think they’re the only one. Fuck em. It’s like giving them too much respect.
As for Villa Talk, you’re not missing much if they won’t let you join. Fuck them an all.

Yeah, the whole conversation with the idiot made me realise it wasn't going to be my thing. It reminded me of the old days of IRC when power-mad ops would completely ruin channels.
What you actually had a conversation with a mod and they refused to let you join?  Wtf is that all about?  I haven't been on VT for years.  I just haven't got time for a bit on the side.   

They wanted to see my facebook page to prove who I was. I don't use facebook. I gave them my LinkedIn, which had enough info to call my place of work and speak to me at my desk, but apparently that wasn't good enough as I 'could be anyone'.

I said I wasn't really interested in playing their sad little games and came here instead.

Christ on a bike
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 14, 2023, 02:16:05 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 14, 2023, 02:07:03 PM
I said I wasn't really interested in playing their sad little games and came here instead.

FFS, VT, now look what you've done! ;)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on July 14, 2023, 02:21:58 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on July 14, 2023, 02:16:05 PM
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 14, 2023, 02:07:03 PM
I said I wasn't really interested in playing their sad little games and came here instead.

FFS, VT, now look what you've done! ;)

 ;D 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Small Rodent on July 14, 2023, 02:29:33 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 14, 2023, 01:00:30 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on July 14, 2023, 12:13:42 PM
Quote from: AV84 on July 14, 2023, 12:09:38 PM
Again, I feel like the context I used it in made it clear who I was talking about. 

It's not about that.  You're really not getting this are you?

What's not to get? 

Two people decided to get pedantic about a post I made despite the fact it was very obvious who I was talking about. The thread has since been derailed for about 2 pages by rants about fighting the power. 

I understand the wider context you're all so bent out of shape about, but it doesn't apply here, and that's why I've pointed out, 3 times now, that the outrage, vitriol, anger, whatever is misplaced and in this case you're choosing to get annoyed about it.

Nobody is outraged, or whatever. You were just plain wrong to say United and hope to get away with it. 

In fact, I’m very disappointed in you rather than angry.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on July 14, 2023, 02:39:12 PM
			

			

				Villa Talk 😂

It is true the amount of hoops you have to jump through to post on their site though.

Like I said I found it a bit weird. They have rules about what links you can post and other weird shit I can't remember.

I don't think it's a very welcoming place tbh. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on July 14, 2023, 02:40:37 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Small Rodent on July 14, 2023, 02:29:33 PM
Quote from: AV84 on July 14, 2023, 01:00:30 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on July 14, 2023, 12:13:42 PM
Quote from: AV84 on July 14, 2023, 12:09:38 PM
Again, I feel like the context I used it in made it clear who I was talking about. 

It's not about that.  You're really not getting this are you?

What's not to get? 

Two people decided to get pedantic about a post I made despite the fact it was very obvious who I was talking about. The thread has since been derailed for about 2 pages by rants about fighting the power. 

I understand the wider context you're all so bent out of shape about, but it doesn't apply here, and that's why I've pointed out, 3 times now, that the outrage, vitriol, anger, whatever is misplaced and in this case you're choosing to get annoyed about it.

Nobody is outraged, or whatever. You were just plain wrong to say United and hope to get away with it. 

In fact, I’m very disappointed in you rather than angry.
Yes he has let us down,the site down and more importantly himself down.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on July 14, 2023, 02:45:22 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 14, 2023, 01:40:03 PM
Someone is going to check the site for the first time today some time soon and see this thread and think "Fucking hell! Another five pages! We must be close to signing someone" and then actually look at this, and see it was originally an argument about use of the word "United" which then turned into a secondary long discussion about drifting off topic.

Marvellous.

Serves them right for not looking at the site for hours and hours.

Was just about to post such! Thought there might have been a development only to realise that someone dared to say United. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Border villan on July 14, 2023, 02:53:57 PM
			

			

				

Christ on a bike
[/quote]

Has he signed or is it just a rumour.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: charlatan on July 14, 2023, 02:58:58 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ads on July 14, 2023, 01:36:37 PM
Diaby getting closer apparently. The only thing I know is that his pace is 94 on Fifa 23 as my lad was playing as Leverkusen the other day. Mark Wood rapid that.
Does he go to ground as often as Mark Wood?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 14, 2023, 02:59:43 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Border villan on July 14, 2023, 02:53:57 PM

Quote
Christ on a bike

Has he signed or is it just a rumour.

Good on crosses etc etc.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Flamingo Lane on July 14, 2023, 03:09:21 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on July 14, 2023, 01:56:37 PM
Quote from: UK Redsox on July 14, 2023, 01:49:06 PM
Quote from: Risso on July 14, 2023, 01:37:02 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on July 14, 2023, 01:22:43 PM
It annoys me when we go off topic sometimes when I am looking for News .  However I love you lefty baldy middle-aged  loonies 

It only veers off when there's literally nothing happening. As soon as it does there are pages devoted to whoever.

whomever ?

No, I think 'whoever' is right. 

'Whomsoever' surely?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on July 14, 2023, 03:28:39 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on July 14, 2023, 01:55:30 PM
Quote from: Ads on July 14, 2023, 01:36:37 PM
Diaby getting closer apparently. The only thing I know is that his pace is 94 on Fifa 23 as my lad was playing as Leverkusen the other day. Mark Wood rapid that.

Please stick to the off-topic topic currently under discussion.

ftfy
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on July 14, 2023, 03:35:27 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 14, 2023, 01:40:03 PM
Someone is going to check the site for the first time today some time soon and see this thread and think "Fucking hell! Another five pages! We must be close to signing someone" and then actually look at this, and see it was originally an argument about use of the word "United" which then turned into a secondary long discussion about drifting off topic.

Marvellous.

Serves them right for not looking at the site for hours and hours.

This is exactly what has just happened to me! Bah!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 14, 2023, 03:40:35 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: UK Redsox on July 14, 2023, 02:11:05 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on July 14, 2023, 01:56:37 PM
Quote from: UK Redsox on July 14, 2023, 01:49:06 PM
Quote from: Risso on July 14, 2023, 01:37:02 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on July 14, 2023, 01:22:43 PM
It annoys me when we go off topic sometimes when I am looking for News .  However I love you lefty baldy middle-aged  loonies 

It only veers off when there's literally nothing happening. As soon as it does there are pages devoted to whoever.

whomever ?

No, I think 'whoever' is right. 

Possibly, but 'dedicated to he' doesn't scan whereas 'dedicated to him/them' does

Mind you, I managed to get an O Level in English Language without ever knowing the difference between a verb, adverb, adjective etc :)

You know what, I'm doubting myself now. I don't know why I said anything, my grammar is shit. I also got an A in Eng Lang whilst knowing close to fuck all.

Anyway it's 'Yanited' 🙂.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ads on July 14, 2023, 03:43:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on July 14, 2023, 03:28:39 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 14, 2023, 01:55:30 PM
Quote from: Ads on July 14, 2023, 01:36:37 PM
Diaby getting closer apparently. The only thing I know is that his pace is 94 on Fifa 23 as my lad was playing as Leverkusen the other day. Mark Wood rapid that.

Please stick to the off-topic topic currently under discussion.

ftfy

 No PFE. Yellow card. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: maidstonevillain on July 14, 2023, 03:54:43 PM
			

			

				Can he play right back. Could be going cheap. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-66201526
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Grocer on July 14, 2023, 03:55:13 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 14, 2023, 02:07:03 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on July 14, 2023, 02:04:17 PM
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 14, 2023, 01:48:54 PM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 14, 2023, 01:43:55 PM
Well, the last few pages have cheered me up no end. AV84, don’t take it to heart, you’ve been a really good new poster until that fuck up. :-) 
It’s mainly tongue in cheek really but it does wind me up with the ‘United’ thing too, fucking arrogant bastards who think they’re the only one. Fuck em. It’s like giving them too much respect.
As for Villa Talk, you’re not missing much if they won’t let you join. Fuck them an all.

Yeah, the whole conversation with the idiot made me realise it wasn't going to be my thing. It reminded me of the old days of IRC when power-mad ops would completely ruin channels.
What you actually had a conversation with a mod and they refused to let you join?  Wtf is that all about?  I haven't been on VT for years.  I just haven't got time for a bit on the side.   

They wanted to see my facebook page to prove who I was. I don't use facebook. I gave them my LinkedIn, which had enough info to call my place of work and speak to me at my desk, but apparently that wasn't good enough as I 'could be anyone'.

I said I wasn't really interested in playing their sad little games and came here instead.

I had exactly the same experience a couple of months back. No idea why I even wanted to join, it's a terrible site - must have been a comment that annoyed me which I wanted to reply to. Best out of it.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: CT Villan on July 14, 2023, 04:11:31 PM
			

			

				If writing United is a problem of such gigantic proportions thank McGrath nobody mentioned City then.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 14, 2023, 04:14:47 PM
			

			

				Few reports saying we've been sounded out about Nico Gonzalez at Barca. His agent has been onto us and Wolves on the off chance he decides he wants to leave Barca this summer. 
Multiple clubs in Spain and Portugal are interested but Jorge Mendes has been offering him to Prem sides too. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dave.woodhall on July 14, 2023, 04:19:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 14, 2023, 02:09:42 PM
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 14, 2023, 02:07:03 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on July 14, 2023, 02:04:17 PM
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 14, 2023, 01:48:54 PM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 14, 2023, 01:43:55 PM
Well, the last few pages have cheered me up no end. AV84, don’t take it to heart, you’ve been a really good new poster until that fuck up. :-) 
It’s mainly tongue in cheek really but it does wind me up with the ‘United’ thing too, fucking arrogant bastards who think they’re the only one. Fuck em. It’s like giving them too much respect.
As for Villa Talk, you’re not missing much if they won’t let you join. Fuck them an all.

Yeah, the whole conversation with the idiot made me realise it wasn't going to be my thing. It reminded me of the old days of IRC when power-mad ops would completely ruin channels.
What you actually had a conversation with a mod and they refused to let you join?  Wtf is that all about?  I haven't been on VT for years.  I just haven't got time for a bit on the side.   

They wanted to see my facebook page to prove who I was. I don't use facebook. I gave them my LinkedIn, which had enough info to call my place of work and speak to me at my desk, but apparently that wasn't good enough as I 'could be anyone'.

I said I wasn't really interested in playing their sad little games and came here instead.

Just your full name and credit card details required for this site 

Did someone call?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 14, 2023, 04:21:15 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 14, 2023, 04:14:47 PM
Few reports saying we've been sounded out about Nico Gonzalez at Barca. His agent has been onto us and Wolves on the off chance he decides he wants to leave Barca this summer. 
Multiple clubs in Spain and Portugal are interested but Jorge Mendes has been offering him to Prem sides too. 

According to his father he lad wants minutes. Porto earlier this month have put a proposal on the table which apparently the player didn't turn down but right now he wants to know if he stands a chance of getting games with Barca. He's off on tour of the US with them.

Fun fact: He has a buy-out clause of 1bn euros.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: jwarry on July 14, 2023, 04:25:21 PM
			

			

				Lots of Twitter around about us being willing to listen to offers for Digne.  Seems Unai doesn’t rate him or doesn’t think he’s worth the money we play him.  So I suppose we will need to add a new left back to the list of potential incomings 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 14, 2023, 04:30:01 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: jwarry on July 14, 2023, 04:25:21 PM
Lots of Twitter around about us being willing to listen to offers for Digne.  Seems Unai doesn’t rate him or doesn’t think he’s worth the money we play him.  So I suppose we will need to add a new left back to the list of potential incomings 

Tierney please 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on July 14, 2023, 04:32:17 PM
			

			

				Digne is an odd one, if it’s true that he is on circa 150k a week because the idiot was soooooo desperate to sign him then it kind of makes sense if possible to move him on if he is to be deputy.  Again I’d back Unai & co to have an alternative in mind should we manage to move Digne on.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 14, 2023, 04:33:07 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 14, 2023, 01:23:25 PM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 14, 2023, 01:05:18 PM
I wasn’t in any way annoyed, so didn’t comment, but the context wasn’t clear at all. You said Newcastle were playing United. It looked incongruous given that Newcastle are called United.

No, I said two other clubs were interested in him, Newcastle and Utd. In reply to a comment about us apparently being the only team interested in Joao Felix, a player who is open to a premier league return, has repeatedly said he wants to move to a Champions League team.

In that context, and given I named Newcastle, there is no other United I could have been talking about.
[/quote]

Oh. My.God.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 14, 2023, 04:36:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 14, 2023, 04:33:07 PM
Oh. My.God.

Which God? Be more specific. It's not right to assume we'd all know who you're talking about .
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 14, 2023, 04:36:57 PM
			

			

				And then he fucks up the quoting. What the fuck will he think of next?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on July 14, 2023, 04:39:40 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: jwarry on July 14, 2023, 04:25:21 PM
Lots of Twitter around about us being willing to listen to offers for Digne.  Seems Unai doesn’t rate him or doesn’t think he’s worth the money we play him.  So I suppose we will need to add a new left back to the list of potential incomings

Think it would be the money he is on really.  He will be second choice when (hopefully not if) Moreno recovers and is reportedly one of our highest earners, if not our highest.  Can't really have the situation where a second choice player is in that position.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: maidstonevillain on July 14, 2023, 04:49:32 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 14, 2023, 04:36:57 PM
And then he fucks up the quoting. What the fuck will he think of next?

In fairness. I still f*** up the quoting after 20ish years and 5000ish posts. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on July 14, 2023, 05:00:08 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: jwarry on July 14, 2023, 04:25:21 PM
Lots of Twitter around about us being willing to listen to offers for Digne.  Seems Unai doesn’t rate him or doesn’t think he’s worth the money we play him.  So I suppose we will need to add a new left back to the list of potential incomings 

Said this months ago. Makes no sense having one of your highest earners being a back-up player who gets little game time. Got the sense that Emery didn't rate him either. 

Don't think Emery has much time for sentimentality and that's often the way with successful clubs. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 14, 2023, 05:04:35 PM
			

			

				I honestly can't see the point in selling Digne. Moreno's injured and even when he's not, we could potentially be playing 50+ games this season. If we're going to buy another left back, a decent one who's not going to be a big drop off in quality is going to be £20m+ and c. £100K in wages anyway.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on July 14, 2023, 05:08:19 PM
			

			

				Digne is a bit shit for £150k a week. We could do worse, but I think we will do better
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 14, 2023, 05:31:29 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: maidstonevillain on July 14, 2023, 04:49:32 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 14, 2023, 04:36:57 PM
And then he fucks up the quoting. What the fuck will he think of next?

In fairness. I still f*** up the quoting after 20ish years and 5000ish posts. 

I assume Percy was referring to himself.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 14, 2023, 05:40:41 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on July 14, 2023, 05:04:35 PM
I honestly can't see the point in selling Digne. Moreno's injured and even when he's not, we could potentially be playing 50+ games this season. If we're going to buy another left back, a decent one who's not going to be a big drop off in quality is going to be £20m+ and c. £100K in wages anyway.

Agree. It’s a January problem, (if a problem at all), unless they know a specific “18 year old” that’ll be phased in over the next few years. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 14, 2023, 06:16:45 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on July 14, 2023, 05:31:29 PM
Quote from: maidstonevillain on July 14, 2023, 04:49:32 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 14, 2023, 04:36:57 PM
And then he fucks up the quoting. What the fuck will he think of next?

In fairness. I still f*** up the quoting after 20ish years and 5000ish posts. 

I assume Percy was referring to himself.

He started it.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 14, 2023, 06:17:25 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 14, 2023, 06:16:45 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 14, 2023, 05:31:29 PM
Quote from: maidstonevillain on July 14, 2023, 04:49:32 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 14, 2023, 04:36:57 PM
And then he fucks up the quoting. What the fuck will he think of next?

In fairness. I still f*** up the quoting after 20ish years and 5000ish posts. 

I assume Percy was referring to himself.

He started it.

Remember what happened last time you starting riffing on Fawlty Towers?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 14, 2023, 06:22:28 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on July 14, 2023, 06:17:25 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 14, 2023, 06:16:45 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 14, 2023, 05:31:29 PM
Quote from: maidstonevillain on July 14, 2023, 04:49:32 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 14, 2023, 04:36:57 PM
And then he fucks up the quoting. What the fuck will he think of next?

In fairness. I still f*** up the quoting after 20ish years and 5000ish posts. 

I assume Percy was referring to himself.

He started it.

Remember what happened last time you starting riffing on Fawlty Towers?

Ah yes. That particular avenue of pleasure has been closed off.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 14, 2023, 06:41:31 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ozzjim on July 14, 2023, 07:33:01 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on July 14, 2023, 07:11:39 AM
Dialby is an exciting link.  But he’s 5ft 6 and we’re probably already the smallest team in the PL.  if Torres plays ahead of Mings we’d lose a lot of power there too.  Are we going to get bullied?

I did wonder if the lad at Milan is partly being looked at to get a bit of height into the side. 

A few people on here was keen on Gnoto , yet he is 2 ft 5 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on July 14, 2023, 06:52:42 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on July 14, 2023, 05:08:19 PM
Digne is a bit shit for £150k a week. We could do worse, but I think we will do better

He's very average really. Tidy left foot on the ball but just about meh in everything else. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Astral Weeks on July 14, 2023, 06:56:34 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: brontebilly on July 14, 2023, 06:52:42 PM
Quote from: LeeB on July 14, 2023, 05:08:19 PM
Digne is a bit shit for £150k a week. We could do worse, but I think we will do better

He's very average really. Tidy left foot on the ball but just about meh in everything else.
Scored a nice free kick against Utd though.
*ducks to avoid incoming...*
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on July 14, 2023, 07:17:09 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Astral Weeks on July 14, 2023, 06:56:34 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on July 14, 2023, 06:52:42 PM
Quote from: LeeB on July 14, 2023, 05:08:19 PM
Digne is a bit shit for £150k a week. We could do worse, but I think we will do better

He's very average really. Tidy left foot on the ball but just about meh in everything else.
Scored a nice free kick against Utd though.
*ducks to avoid incoming...*

I think that's what the wall did. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on July 14, 2023, 07:28:40 PM
			

			

				Digne's fine - but for me, he wasn't enough of an upgrade on Targett to warrant the money we spent.  Particularly as we haven't exactly been throwing cash around the last few windows.  

Compared to the new left back - who was very reasonably priced and gives us another dimension - it shows where our transfer policy has failed in recent years. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 14, 2023, 07:37:41 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on July 14, 2023, 06:41:31 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on July 14, 2023, 07:33:01 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on July 14, 2023, 07:11:39 AM
Dialby is an exciting link.  But he’s 5ft 6 and we’re probably already the smallest team in the PL.  if Torres plays ahead of Mings we’d lose a lot of power there too.  Are we going to get bullied?

I did wonder if the lad at Milan is partly being looked at to get a bit of height into the side. 

A few people on here was keen on Gnoto , yet he is 2 ft 5

Gnonto the Gnome
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: KevinGage on July 14, 2023, 07:51:15 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Gareth on July 14, 2023, 07:36:18 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on July 14, 2023, 07:33:01 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on July 14, 2023, 07:11:39 AM
Dialby is an exciting link.  But he’s 5ft 6 and we’re probably already the smallest team in the PL.  if Torres plays ahead of Mings we’d lose a lot of power there too.  Are we going to get bullied?

I did wonder if the lad at Milan is partly being looked at to get a bit of height into the side.

Would make sense ‘if’ the story earlier in summer about Tammy was true…looking for a striker with a bit of height 

Tammy is a definite asset both attacking and defending set pieces.  I haven't seen enough of the AC Milan fella, but just being that height alone doesn't mean he's useful in the air. 

We've had more than one 6ft + merchant who was shite at that side of things. Even some center halves, worryingly.

It's worth consideration, how we get more height into the side. But not reason enough to ignore a player of Diaby's profile.  Any three from Carlos, Torres, Mings and Konsa @ the back plus Kamara in midfield and Watkins up top indicates we're not desperately short of height. 

It's not as if Martinez is a Shay Given-type penalty box keeper either.  He's quite happy to clean his own centre backs out as well as opposing forwards to get to the ball. So defending set pieces isn't quite the terrorfest it used to be. 


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on July 14, 2023, 07:56:12 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 14, 2023, 01:01:11 PM
Quote from: Drummond on July 14, 2023, 12:54:18 PM
Quote from: Duncan Shaw on July 14, 2023, 12:52:11 PM
Aaah, the old "ooh the transfer thread has added 3 pages quickly" excitement, only to realise it's a debate about who is United.


That's why I love this place so much!!

We're definitely not united. Or United.

Is anybody The United?
I was wondering that. We're The Villa, are there any other clubs that are 'The' whatever (where it's not part of the actual name, e.g. The New Saints/TNS)? Can't think of any...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 14, 2023, 08:02:19 PM
			

			

				1-0 to the Arsenal.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 14, 2023, 08:05:18 PM
			

			

				Apparently there’s a Saudi club who want Diaby as well.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Chris_Jephcott on July 14, 2023, 08:21:11 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on July 14, 2023, 01:11:37 PM
I'll have you know I'm neither left wing (happily!) or forty something (sadly!). :)

But yes, if meandering off topic isn't for you, then VT is probably the place, where even mentioning a player different to the one the topic is about leads to threats of deletions, bans and red text everywhere.

I came for transfer news and ended up agreeing with every word of this post. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Small Rodent on July 14, 2023, 08:21:36 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 14, 2023, 08:05:18 PM
Apparently there’s a Saudi club who want Diaby as well.

If we are actually after him, his decision will show me the kind of man he is.

Murderous regime 

Or 

Famous non-Nazi saluting heroes.

Wages should not enter into it.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Astnor on July 14, 2023, 08:25:03 PM
			

			

				I do think we get Diaby, I dont think he is interested going to SA as a promising 24 year old. I dont think we are that interested i Brennan; might be seen as too expensive for one that have one promising season in the PL. I dont think Emery is interested in loosing Digne; he want two able players in each position and we have that at LB at the moment but it might be that Digne are not interested in sitting on the bench when Moreno is back.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Chris_Jephcott on July 14, 2023, 08:25:52 PM
			

			

				What I know is that seemingly Villa aren’t far away from an agreement with Leverkusen. In the words of my source, €5 million will probably do it. 

I am hopeful this will go through in the next few days. 

Saudi interest… aren’t the rumoured club embargoed from registering new players presently due to unpaid wages? 

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 14, 2023, 08:26:50 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Chris_Jephcott on July 14, 2023, 08:21:11 PM
Quote from: Risso on July 14, 2023, 01:11:37 PM
I'll have you know I'm neither left wing (happily!) or forty something (sadly!). :)

But yes, if meandering off topic isn't for you, then VT is probably the place, where even mentioning a player different to the one the topic is about leads to threats of deletions, bans and red text everywhere.

I came for transfer news and ended up agreeing with every word of this post. 

ADVILLAFAN, tell your brother to add him to the list.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ian. on July 14, 2023, 08:29:06 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on July 14, 2023, 01:21:36 PM
Coopers Injury?

Blimey, that’s a name from the past. Wasn’t he a right misery, up there with Gregnash?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 14, 2023, 08:31:28 PM
			

			

				Duly noted 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Chris_Jephcott on July 14, 2023, 08:32:22 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ian. on July 14, 2023, 08:29:06 PM
Quote from: LeeB on July 14, 2023, 01:21:36 PM
Coopers Injury?

Blimey, that’s a name from the past. Wasn’t he a right misery, up there with Gregnash?

The one I will always remember is the meltdown after Villa lost to Birmingham City in 2002/2003.

I was an English teacher to the hilltribes in Thailand at that time, and my only access to the internet was via a dial up connection in the “local” post office. It was still a 40 minute moped ride away from where I was living in the middle of the Jungle…

Anyway, I logged into here to find out the score, only to find the place in absolute total meltdown. 


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RamboandBruno on July 14, 2023, 08:33:05 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on July 14, 2023, 05:04:35 PM
I honestly can't see the point in selling Digne. Moreno's injured and even when he's not, we could potentially be playing 50+ games this season. If we're going to buy another left back, a decent one who's not going to be a big drop off in quality is going to be £20m+ and c. £100K in wages anyway.

Agree, unless someone like Tierney is on the way. All seems a bit to the left with just Matty Cash on the right. Anyway, I reckon we’ll splurge loads on Diaby and Johnson then roll in some old git like Heaton or drag the 50 year Pepe Reina back from Spain as number 2 between the sticks and that will be that in terms of signings. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: KevinGage on July 14, 2023, 08:35:38 PM
			

			

				In two minds about Digne. 

I like that when he comes on for Moreno (a tactic Emery was quite keen to utilise) we didn't have a massive drop off in quality. 

But for the second or third highest paid player at the club we need more than that. If Forest or whoever post anything north of £20 million (most of what we paid, in other words) and take on all his wages there's a decision to be had. 

If it's just a club scrambling about in the dirt looking to pick him up on a loan or for next to nowt I don't see how it helps us. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ian. on July 14, 2023, 08:38:54 PM
			

			

				I like Digne, he’s a very good player. I didn’t realise he was on that much money. I’d be surprised if we sold him and didn’t have someone lined up. Our full backs seem quite essential to the way Emery wants to play.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 14, 2023, 08:48:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: algy on July 14, 2023, 07:56:12 PM
I was wondering that. We're The Villa, are there any other clubs that are 'The' whatever (where it's not part of the actual name, e.g. The New Saints/TNS)? Can't think of any...

Dundalk supporters refer to their team as 'the Town'.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 14, 2023, 08:55:32 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ian. on July 14, 2023, 08:38:54 PM
I like Digne, he’s a very good player. I didn’t realise he was on that much money. I’d be surprised if we sold him and didn’t have someone lined up. Our full backs seem quite essential to the way Emery wants to play.

Agree with much of this. I thought it was reported when he signed that he was on 120k a week, which is still a lot but not quite 150k*.

*FWIW some sports salary sites say 120k a week, others 150-160k.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 14, 2023, 08:58:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: algy on July 14, 2023, 07:56:12 PM
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 14, 2023, 01:01:11 PM
Quote from: Drummond on July 14, 2023, 12:54:18 PM
Quote from: Duncan Shaw on July 14, 2023, 12:52:11 PM
Aaah, the old "ooh the transfer thread has added 3 pages quickly" excitement, only to realise it's a debate about who is United.


That's why I love this place so much!!

We're definitely not united. Or United.

Is anybody The United?
I was wondering that. We're The Villa, are there any other clubs that are 'The' whatever (where it's not part of the actual name, e.g. The New Saints/TNS)? Can't think of any...

You hear 'the Arsenal' sometimes.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 14, 2023, 09:00:24 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 14, 2023, 08:58:17 PM
Quote from: algy on July 14, 2023, 07:56:12 PM
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 14, 2023, 01:01:11 PM
Quote from: Drummond on July 14, 2023, 12:54:18 PM
Quote from: Duncan Shaw on July 14, 2023, 12:52:11 PM
Aaah, the old "ooh the transfer thread has added 3 pages quickly" excitement, only to realise it's a debate about who is United.


That's why I love this place so much!!

We're definitely not united. Or United.

Is anybody The United?
I was wondering that. We're The Villa, are there any other clubs that are 'The' whatever (where it's not part of the actual name, e.g. The New Saints/TNS)? Can't think of any...

You hear 'the Arsenal' sometimes.

You also hear The Plastics but not often enough.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Astnor on July 14, 2023, 09:03:55 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on July 14, 2023, 09:00:24 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 14, 2023, 08:58:17 PM
Quote from: algy on July 14, 2023, 07:56:12 PM
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 14, 2023, 01:01:11 PM
Quote from: Drummond on July 14, 2023, 12:54:18 PM
Quote from: Duncan Shaw on July 14, 2023, 12:52:11 PM
Aaah, the old "ooh the transfer thread has added 3 pages quickly" excitement, only to realise it's a debate about who is United.


That's why I love this place so much!!

We're definitely not united. Or United.

Is anybody The United?
I was wondering that. We're The Villa, are there any other clubs that are 'The' whatever (where it's not part of the actual name, e.g. The New Saints/TNS)? Can't think of any...

You hear 'the Arsenal' sometimes.

You also hear The Plastics but not often enough.
I also see that you talk about ´THE GIFT that keeps on giving´ on here
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on July 14, 2023, 09:17:02 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Astnor on July 14, 2023, 09:03:55 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on July 14, 2023, 09:00:24 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 14, 2023, 08:58:17 PM
Quote from: algy on July 14, 2023, 07:56:12 PM
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 14, 2023, 01:01:11 PM
Quote from: Drummond on July 14, 2023, 12:54:18 PM
Quote from: Duncan Shaw on July 14, 2023, 12:52:11 PM
Aaah, the old "ooh the transfer thread has added 3 pages quickly" excitement, only to realise it's a debate about who is United.


That's why I love this place so much!!

We're definitely not united. Or United.

Is anybody The United?
I was wondering that. We're The Villa, are there any other clubs that are 'The' whatever (where it's not part of the actual name, e.g. The New Saints/TNS)? Can't think of any...

You hear 'the Arsenal' sometimes.

You also hear The Plastics but not often enough.
I also see that you talk about ´THE GIFT that keeps on giving´ on here

Many people, myself included refer to 'them' as the rags
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: mike on July 14, 2023, 09:18:28 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on July 14, 2023, 08:55:32 PM
Quote from: Ian. on July 14, 2023, 08:38:54 PM
I like Digne, he’s a very good player. I didn’t realise he was on that much money. I’d be surprised if we sold him and didn’t have someone lined up. Our full backs seem quite essential to the way Emery wants to play.

Agree with much of this. I thought it was reported when he signed that he was on 120k a week, which is still a lot but not quite 150k*.

*FWIW some sports salary sites say 120k a week, others 150-160k.

This is where capitalism becomes bollocks. Footballers should not earn more than oncologists. Most footballers would earn a max of £40,000 a year in any other job they are capable of, never mind 150k a fucking week. Lets pay Doctors and other fucking seriously valuable people a bit more and say to these fucking prima donnas. get more than £40,000 a year being a plumber if you want and play non league for fun. We rightly moan about what the Saudi murderers are doing but don't really care that we all contribute to a wholly amoral industry that feeds off the need of the working (wo)man to get respite from their fucking powerless existence in a world run by public schoolboys, tyrants and bankers. Only because we allow the media to manipulate us do these talented but ultimately valueless individuals become 'worth' these obscene sums. Fucking doctors and nurses are striking for a yearly increase that is a fraction of what these fuckers earn in a week. Did my grandad enjoy football any less because footballers got the bus to matches, went to the pub after a match and the chips on the bus on the way home? No, it was still the highlight of his week and loved Villa (actually Notts County as he was from Nottingham, but you get the point. Or not.)

Obviously, this is all King Canute thinking but for fuck's sake, where has perspective gone.

And for what it's worth no club whose name ends in United has the right to be known outside their own city/town as 'United' but I do think Nottingham Forest can be called Forest in the same way as we can be called Villa.

I have partaken of alcohol.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on July 14, 2023, 09:30:11 PM
			

			

				Absolutely.

We are a society that values someone who can kick a ball infinitely more than we value a paramedic who will save our lives, or a firefighter who risks their life to save ours.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 14, 2023, 09:30:37 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on July 14, 2023, 09:00:24 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 14, 2023, 08:58:17 PM
Quote from: algy on July 14, 2023, 07:56:12 PM
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 14, 2023, 01:01:11 PM
Quote from: Drummond on July 14, 2023, 12:54:18 PM
Quote from: Duncan Shaw on July 14, 2023, 12:52:11 PM
Aaah, the old "ooh the transfer thread has added 3 pages quickly" excitement, only to realise it's a debate about who is United.


That's why I love this place so much!!

We're definitely not united. Or United.

Is anybody The United?
I was wondering that. We're The Villa, are there any other clubs that are 'The' whatever (where it's not part of the actual name, e.g. The New Saints/TNS)? Can't think of any...

You hear 'the Arsenal' sometimes.

You also hear The Plastics but not often enough.

Spurs do that horrible slow "Oh when the Spurs..." song.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 14, 2023, 09:32:37 PM
			

			

				I'm sorry, but that's a load of naive nonsense.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: mike on July 14, 2023, 09:35:55 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on July 14, 2023, 09:32:37 PM
I'm sorry, but that's a load of naive nonsense.

It's self evidently my opinion, I alluded to that myself. What you've said is your opinion and I wouldn't dream of calling it nonsense because that would be just plain rude.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 14, 2023, 09:36:51 PM
			

			

				I agree with Mike. 

Doctors, nurses, teachers, firefighters, carers, cleaners and marketing copywriters are the real heroes who deserve the big bucks.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john2710 on July 14, 2023, 09:37:14 PM
			

			

				We won't buy Johnson & Diaby. They're too similar & it would mean other areas of the team wouldn't get an upgrade. 

I thought Emery had said previously he wanted a tall wide player, who could play central. That could be the other Torres,  especially if it's a loan to buy.

A lot depends on who leaves, out of Couthino, Bailey & Dinge, only Couthino looks likely. But if he could stay fit & find some form it would be a huge bonus. We're not going to raise much money from sales of Sanson, Davis, Hause or Traore.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: mike on July 14, 2023, 09:41:09 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 14, 2023, 09:36:51 PM
I agree with Mike. 

Doctors, nurses, teachers, firefighters, carers, cleaners and marketing copywriters are the real heroes who deserve the big bucks.

As this starts with 'I agree with Mike', I won't quibble with one of the vocations on the list. I'm glad you included cleaners as my mom and gran were both in that vital profession.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 14, 2023, 09:47:22 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: mike on July 14, 2023, 09:41:09 PM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 14, 2023, 09:36:51 PM
I agree with Mike. 

Doctors, nurses, teachers, firefighters, carers, cleaners and marketing copywriters are the real heroes who deserve the big bucks.

As this starts with 'I agree with Mike', I won't quibble with one of the vocations on the list. I'm glad you included cleaners as my mom and gran were both in that vital profession.

Only joking on the last one, as it concerns me. I do agree with you though.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 14, 2023, 09:49:32 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 14, 2023, 09:36:51 PM
I agree with Mike. 

Doctors, nurses, teachers, firefighters, carers, cleaners and marketing copywriters are the real heroes who deserve the big bucks.

Won’t somebody think of the music reviewers?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on July 14, 2023, 09:56:22 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: john2710 on July 14, 2023, 09:37:14 PM
We won't buy Johnson & Diaby. 

Huh.. didn't we put through a legitimate bid for Diaby? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ads on July 14, 2023, 10:00:34 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 14, 2023, 09:30:11 PM
Absolutely.

We are a society that values someone who can kick a ball infinitely more than we value a paramedic who will save our lives, or a firefighter who risks their life to save ours.

Not really. The difference is in that more people can train to become a paramedic or a firefighter. To become a Premier League player is about as likely as being struck by lightening. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john2710 on July 14, 2023, 10:00:39 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: villadelph on July 14, 2023, 09:56:22 PM
Quote from: john2710 on July 14, 2023, 09:37:14 PM
We won't buy Johnson & Diaby. 

Huh.. didn't we put through a legitimate bid for Diaby?

We won't buy both.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on July 14, 2023, 10:11:53 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ads on July 14, 2023, 10:00:34 PM
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 14, 2023, 09:30:11 PM
Absolutely.

We are a society that values someone who can kick a ball infinitely more than we value a paramedic who will save our lives, or a firefighter who risks their life to save ours.

Not really. The difference is in that more people can train to become a paramedic or a firefighter. To become a Premier League player is about as likely as being struck by lightening.

Hmm, not sure about that really, as the likelihood of becoming a player is limited because of the 20 club limit and the squad limit, not on there not being enough people capable of playing football.

We think a job that is less important is more valuable than a more common one that can be literally life or death. That’s the real point I think.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: passport1 on July 14, 2023, 10:17:01 PM
			

			

				Well we have  made hard work of finding anyone that can kick a ball competently until fairly recently.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 14, 2023, 10:21:04 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: john2710 on July 14, 2023, 10:00:39 PM
Quote from: villadelph on July 14, 2023, 09:56:22 PM
Quote from: john2710 on July 14, 2023, 09:37:14 PM
We won't buy Johnson & Diaby. 

Huh.. didn't we put through a legitimate bid for Diaby?

We won't buy both.

Why wouldn't we? You don't think we're going to try and buy 2 forwards or is it because you think it'll cost too much? I'm fully expecting us to buy 2 forwards and if it's right Diaby can play centrally then it would make sense.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 14, 2023, 10:30:02 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 14, 2023, 10:11:53 PM
Quote from: Ads on July 14, 2023, 10:00:34 PM
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 14, 2023, 09:30:11 PM
Absolutely.

We are a society that values someone who can kick a ball infinitely more than we value a paramedic who will save our lives, or a firefighter who risks their life to save ours.

Not really. The difference is in that more people can train to become a paramedic or a firefighter. To become a Premier League player is about as likely as being struck by lightening.

Hmm, not sure about that really, as the likelihood of becoming a player is limited because of the 20 club limit and the squad limit, not on there not being enough people capable of playing football.

We think a job that is less important is more valuable than a more common one that can be literally life or death. That’s the real point I think.

I agree with Dogtanian.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on July 14, 2023, 10:36:44 PM
			

			

				I think we will go for both and possibly a bigger forward. Bailey and Traore are clearly available, so we need 2 wide players. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john2710 on July 14, 2023, 10:37:55 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on July 14, 2023, 10:21:04 PM
Quote from: john2710 on July 14, 2023, 10:00:39 PM
Quote from: villadelph on July 14, 2023, 09:56:22 PM
Quote from: john2710 on July 14, 2023, 09:37:14 PM
We won't buy Johnson & Diaby. 

Huh.. didn't we put through a legitimate bid for Diaby?

We won't buy both.

Why wouldn't we? You don't think we're going to try and buy 2 forwards or is it because you think it'll cost too much? I'm fully expecting us to buy 2 forwards and if it's right Diaby can play centrally then it would make sense.

We're not going to buy 2 players who essentially offer the same. I think we will buy a second forward but it'll be someone with different attributes.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ads on July 14, 2023, 10:38:37 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 14, 2023, 10:11:53 PM
Quote from: Ads on July 14, 2023, 10:00:34 PM
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 14, 2023, 09:30:11 PM
Absolutely.

We are a society that values someone who can kick a ball infinitely more than we value a paramedic who will save our lives, or a firefighter who risks their life to save ours.

Not really. The difference is in that more people can train to become a paramedic or a firefighter. To become a Premier League player is about as likely as being struck by lightening.

Hmm, not sure about that really, as the likelihood of becoming a player is limited because of the 20 club limit and the squad limit, not on there not being enough people capable of playing football.

We think a job that is less important is more valuable than a more common one that can be literally life or death. That’s the real point I think.

Football is important. Pretty silly for anybody to argue otherwise on here and especially so for a supporter of a club who gave the gift of league football to the world. It's a hugely significant social matter for millions up and down this land and billions across the world. 

If you think football is limited because of squad size, rather than unique rare talent, play football with an ex-pro at five a side who you considered bang average at best, who was the size of a wardrobe at the time, but was so good they looked like a fat, northern Maradona. 

I could train to be a nurse, a fireman, I could spend a 1000 years and never get anywhere as good as David fucking Unsworth.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 14, 2023, 10:48:02 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: john2710 on July 14, 2023, 10:37:55 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on July 14, 2023, 10:21:04 PM
Quote from: john2710 on July 14, 2023, 10:00:39 PM
Quote from: villadelph on July 14, 2023, 09:56:22 PM
Quote from: john2710 on July 14, 2023, 09:37:14 PM
We won't buy Johnson & Diaby. 

Huh.. didn't we put through a legitimate bid for Diaby?

We won't buy both.

Why wouldn't we? You don't think we're going to try and buy 2 forwards or is it because you think it'll cost too much? I'm fully expecting us to buy 2 forwards and if it's right Diaby can play centrally then it would make sense.

We're not going to buy 2 players who essentially offer the same. I think we will buy a second forward but it'll be someone with different attributes.

I reckon he'll buy two versatile type forwards so they'll be relatively similar on that front. Excited to find out, anyway!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on July 14, 2023, 10:49:23 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ads on July 14, 2023, 10:38:37 PM
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 14, 2023, 10:11:53 PM
Quote from: Ads on July 14, 2023, 10:00:34 PM
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 14, 2023, 09:30:11 PM
Absolutely.

We are a society that values someone who can kick a ball infinitely more than we value a paramedic who will save our lives, or a firefighter who risks their life to save ours.

Not really. The difference is in that more people can train to become a paramedic or a firefighter. To become a Premier League player is about as likely as being struck by lightening.

Hmm, not sure about that really, as the likelihood of becoming a player is limited because of the 20 club limit and the squad limit, not on there not being enough people capable of playing football.

We think a job that is less important is more valuable than a more common one that can be literally life or death. That’s the real point I think.

Football is important. Pretty silly for anybody to argue otherwise on here and especially so for a supporter of a club who gave the gift of league football to the world. It's a hugely significant social matter for millions up and down this land and billions across the world. 

If you think football is limited because of squad size, rather than unique rare talent, play football with an ex-pro at five a side who you considered bang average at best, who was the size of a wardrobe at the time, but was so good they looked like a fat, northern Maradona. 

I could train to be a nurse, a fireman, I could spend a 1000 years and never get anywhere as good as David fucking Unsworth.
David Unsworth would be a good traffic officer - can do a sharp U-turn
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 14, 2023, 10:50:46 PM
			

			

				Nurses and teachers and doctors should be valued higher than people who kick a ball for a living.

Life's not like that, though, it never has been, and never will be, because the world is not that sort of idealistic utopia.

Although, really, slightly lardy, balding, mid fifties, mid level tech managerial types are the people who should be earning the biggest bucks.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on July 14, 2023, 10:53:58 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 14, 2023, 10:50:46 PM
Nurses and teachers and doctors should be valued higher than people who kick a ball for a living.

Life's not like that, though, it never has been, and never will be, because the world is not that sort of idealistic utopia.

Although, really, slightly lardy, balding, mid fifties, mid level tech managerial types are the people who should be earning the biggest bucks.

Amen Paulie, Amen. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 14, 2023, 11:05:19 PM
			

			

				On the subject of teams being called "The....". Is someone known as The Posh? Or have I made that up?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Londonvilla on July 14, 2023, 11:05:44 PM
			

			

				Man Utd willing to SELL Jadon Sancho with Aston Villa keen

https://www.footballtransfers.com/en/transfer-news/uk-premier-league/2023/06/exclusive-man-utd-transfer-news-jadon-sancho-listed-for-sale-aston-villa-interest

It's all about the wages. If Man U pay him off So that he reduces his wage demands Then he may be an option worth looking at. Man U has financial fair play issues. So they need to reduce their squad.

If we can get the Jadon Sancho in the video below, then I'm in..


 

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Meanwood Villa on July 14, 2023, 11:08:25 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 14, 2023, 11:05:19 PM
On the subject of teams being called "The....". Is someone known as The Posh? Or have I made that up?

Peterborough Utd. I think Posh Spice tried to sue them at one point but might be an urban myth.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on July 14, 2023, 11:10:41 PM
			

			

				We will not be buying Jadon Sancho.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 14, 2023, 11:15:41 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Londonvilla on July 14, 2023, 11:05:44 PM
Man Utd willing to SELL Jadon Sancho with Aston Villa keen

https://www.footballtransfers.com/en/transfer-news/uk-premier-league/2023/06/exclusive-man-utd-transfer-news-jadon-sancho-listed-for-sale-aston-villa-interest

It's all about the wages. If Man U pay him off So that he reduces his wage demands Then he may be an option worth looking at. Man U has financial fair play issues. So they need to reduce their squad.

If we can get the Jadon Sancho in the video below, then I'm in..


 


In.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 14, 2023, 11:18:10 PM
			

			

				They want 60 million for him? Seems steep. I think they need to sell a few players to sort out their FFP, and probably have to try to recoup as much as possible, but I can't imagine anyone going close to 60 for him. We certainly shouldn't. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 14, 2023, 11:26:54 PM
			

			

				Sancho is absolutely not an us type of signing.

And Jesus Mary, spend 76 on him, watch him deliver the square root of fuck all in this league, then expect to get most of it back?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 14, 2023, 11:28:32 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Londonvilla on July 14, 2023, 11:05:44 PM
Man Utd willing to SELL Jadon Sancho with Aston Villa keen

https://www.footballtransfers.com/en/transfer-news/uk-premier-league/2023/06/exclusive-man-utd-transfer-news-jadon-sancho-listed-for-sale-aston-villa-interest

It's all about the wages. If Man U pay him off So that he reduces his wage demands Then he may be an option worth looking at. Man U has financial fair play issues. So they need to reduce their squad.

If we can get the Jadon Sancho in the video below, then I'm in..


 


Bizarre on-the-ground header attempt by the defender 40 secs or so into that.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: charlatan on July 14, 2023, 11:35:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ads on July 14, 2023, 10:00:34 PM
Not really. The difference is in that more people can train to become a paramedic or a firefighter. To become a Premier League player is about as likely as being struck by lightening. 

I thought vitiligo was quite common.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 14, 2023, 11:40:46 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 14, 2023, 10:11:53 PM
We think a job that is less important is more valuable than a more common one that can be literally life or death. That’s the real point I think.

Big difference between valuable and lucrative. We all should be thankful for the people in valuable and non-lucrative jobs out there.

Stil remember my grandad ripping up his season ticket when he heard Paul McGrath was earning a grand a week. Thought it was obscene. He soon got a relacement season ticket mind.

As for obscene. Market forces decide these things, and while the market is not always moral removing it only ever makes things worse.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 14, 2023, 11:45:43 PM
			

			

				Sure it does.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on July 15, 2023, 12:17:47 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 14, 2023, 09:30:11 PM
Absolutely.

We are a society that values someone who can kick a ball infinitely more than we value a paramedic who will save our lives, or a firefighter who risks their life to save ours.

No we're not.

The TV companies do. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Pete3206 on July 15, 2023, 12:22:34 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ChicagoLion on July 14, 2023, 11:10:41 PM
We will not be buying Jadon Sancho.

Thank fuck for that. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: charlatan on July 15, 2023, 12:23:59 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on July 15, 2023, 12:17:47 AM
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 14, 2023, 09:30:11 PM
Absolutely.

We are a society that values someone who can kick a ball infinitely more than we value a paramedic who will save our lives, or a firefighter who risks their life to save ours.

No we're not.

The TV companies do. 
Because you have no interest in paying them to show you paramedics or firefighters in action (or generally in inaction in the latter case).
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 15, 2023, 12:26:02 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: charlatan on July 15, 2023, 12:23:59 AM
Quote from: Drummond on July 15, 2023, 12:17:47 AM
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 14, 2023, 09:30:11 PM
Absolutely.

We are a society that values someone who can kick a ball infinitely more than we value a paramedic who will save our lives, or a firefighter who risks their life to save ours.

No we're not.

The TV companies do. 
Because you have no interest in paying them to show you paramedics or firefighters in action (or generally in inaction in the latter case).

Yeah, those pricks, refusing to start fires.

Edit: I know you're our resident Jordan Peterson, Charlatan, and - like the man himself - you don't half talk bollocks.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: saunders_heroes on July 15, 2023, 12:27:31 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: charlatan on July 15, 2023, 12:23:59 AM
Quote from: Drummond on July 15, 2023, 12:17:47 AM
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 14, 2023, 09:30:11 PM
Absolutely.

We are a society that values someone who can kick a ball infinitely more than we value a paramedic who will save our lives, or a firefighter who risks their life to save ours.

No we're not.

The TV companies do. 
Because you have no interest in paying them to show you paramedics or firefighters in action (or generally in inaction in the latter case).

Firefighters get paid for what they're prepared to do rather than what they actually (mostly) do. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: charlatan on July 15, 2023, 12:30:24 AM
			

			

				Of course and so their rate of pay per hour of doing what they are prepared to do is very high.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on July 15, 2023, 01:01:39 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: john2710 on July 14, 2023, 10:37:55 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on July 14, 2023, 10:21:04 PM
Quote from: john2710 on July 14, 2023, 10:00:39 PM
Quote from: villadelph on July 14, 2023, 09:56:22 PM
Quote from: john2710 on July 14, 2023, 09:37:14 PM
We won't buy Johnson & Diaby. 

Huh.. didn't we put through a legitimate bid for Diaby?

We won't buy both.

Why wouldn't we? You don't think we're going to try and buy 2 forwards or is it because you think it'll cost too much? I'm fully expecting us to buy 2 forwards and if it's right Diaby can play centrally then it would make sense.

We're not going to buy 2 players who essentially offer the same. I think we will buy a second forward but it'll be someone with different attributes.

I don't think they would offer the same.  Johnson would come in as competition to Ollie Watkins first and foremost and could be utilised as a wide player if needed, though he is less effective out there.  

From the little I have seen of him, Diaby looks like a wide player who can also play the 'number 10' role.  I could see us going for both to be honest.  A back-up right back and keeper won't cost too much, so I could see us bringing in two more big signings.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: saunders_heroes on July 15, 2023, 01:24:07 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: charlatan on July 15, 2023, 12:30:24 AM
Of course and so their rate of pay per hour of doing what they are prepared to do is very high.

Yep. I'd pay them more as well.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rory on July 15, 2023, 02:03:11 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: charlatan on July 15, 2023, 12:23:59 AM
Quote from: Drummond on July 15, 2023, 12:17:47 AM
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 14, 2023, 09:30:11 PM
Absolutely.

We are a society that values someone who can kick a ball infinitely more than we value a paramedic who will save our lives, or a firefighter who risks their life to save ours.

No we're not.

The TV companies do. 
Because you have no interest in paying them to show you paramedics or firefighters in action (or generally in inaction in the latter case).

To be fair, I've stayed out of this one, but please don't be having a go at the emergency services, mate. It's not on.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: CT Villan on July 15, 2023, 02:31:12 AM
			

			

				The problem with this latest debate is that you are not comparing like with like.
EPL players are the elite of football players and are paid accordingly. There are thousands of professional footballers who don't earn anything like as much as doctors do.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rory on July 15, 2023, 02:47:54 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: CT Villan on July 15, 2023, 02:31:12 AM
The problem with this latest debate is that you are not comparing like with like.
EPL players are the elite of football players and are paid accordingly. There are thousands of professional footballers who don't earn anything like as much as doctors do.

A perfectly valid point, CT, but no consultant earns in a year what the best-paid footballers do in a month, and there are thousands of nurses who have studied and worked hard for years - and continue to do so - who use food banks.

I don't really want to get into detail, because anyone who truly believes that 'the market' delivers financial outcomes that are anything close to fair simply hasn't been paying attention to, well, anything in the history of the world, but give me four years of training at each and I reckon I'd be better at kicking a ball than delivering a baby.

Sure, I'd still be too old and slow and misplace a fair few passes, but I wouldn't be pulling a baby's head off.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Scott Nielsen on July 15, 2023, 04:41:37 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 15, 2023, 12:26:02 AM
Quote from: charlatan on July 15, 2023, 12:23:59 AM
Quote from: Drummond on July 15, 2023, 12:17:47 AM
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 14, 2023, 09:30:11 PM
Absolutely.

We are a society that values someone who can kick a ball infinitely more than we value a paramedic who will save our lives, or a firefighter who risks their life to save ours.

No we're not.

The TV companies do. 
Because you have no interest in paying them to show you paramedics or firefighters in action (or generally in inaction in the latter case).

Yeah, those pricks, refusing to start fires.

Edit: I know you're our resident Jordan Peterson, Charlatan, and - like the man himself - you don't half talk bollocks.

It's true though, no? The bit about what we want to see on our TVs. We also like to pay a lot to see actors pretending to be doctors, nurses and firefighters. Just not the real thing. 

PS. I have read Peterson's book*. You should too, it is very funny. Unintentionally so, but still.  

* An acquitance, who's general outlook on life deviates significantly from mine, gifted it to me on the only condition I would actually read it. He claimed in all sincerity it would prove life changing. I did read it and have never been able to take him seriously since. It's not so much that I have a problem with him having a different perspective on things, but the fact he found that drivel convincing. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villatillidie25 on July 15, 2023, 05:05:36 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rory on July 15, 2023, 02:47:54 AM
Quote from: CT Villan on July 15, 2023, 02:31:12 AM
The problem with this latest debate is that you are not comparing like with like.
EPL players are the elite of football players and are paid accordingly. There are thousands of professional footballers who don't earn anything like as much as doctors do.

A perfectly valid point, CT, but no consultant earns in a year what the best-paid footballers do in a month, and there are thousands of nurses who have studied and worked hard for years - and continue to do so - who use food banks.

I don't really want to get into detail, because anyone who truly believes that 'the market' delivers financial outcomes that are anything close to fair simply hasn't been paying attention to, well, anything in the history of the world, but give me four years of training at each and I reckon I'd be better at kicking a ball than delivering a baby.

Sure, I'd still be too old and slow and misplace a fair few passes, but I wouldn't be pulling a baby's head off.

I sincerely hope not given it takes 3 years to train to be a midwife. That’s a lot of babies losing heads if that’s the case. Anyway just a bit tongue in cheek.
 In no way do I think what elite footballers get paid is sensible or fair. However, slightly different slant on the discussion. 
Elite footballers (ie regular starters in the top 5 leagues in Europe) probably earn, on average, £30k per week. that’s a bit of an estimate tbh but a £1-2m salary a year sounds in the right ball park. These people represent the top 1000 in their profession. Of the, literally, millions of doctors, the top 1000 in their profession will absolutely be earning at least £1-2m per year. 
Just a slightly different way of thinking about it before we hang anyone working outside the emergency services earning a good salary
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rory on July 15, 2023, 05:28:04 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Villatillidie25 on July 15, 2023, 05:05:36 AM
Quote from: Rory on July 15, 2023, 02:47:54 AM
Quote from: CT Villan on July 15, 2023, 02:31:12 AM
The problem with this latest debate is that you are not comparing like with like.
EPL players are the elite of football players and are paid accordingly. There are thousands of professional footballers who don't earn anything like as much as doctors do.

A perfectly valid point, CT, but no consultant earns in a year what the best-paid footballers do in a month, and there are thousands of nurses who have studied and worked hard for years - and continue to do so - who use food banks.

I don't really want to get into detail, because anyone who truly believes that 'the market' delivers financial outcomes that are anything close to fair simply hasn't been paying attention to, well, anything in the history of the world, but give me four years of training at each and I reckon I'd be better at kicking a ball than delivering a baby.

Sure, I'd still be too old and slow and misplace a fair few passes, but I wouldn't be pulling a baby's head off.

I sincerely hope not given it takes 3 years to train to be a midwife. That’s a lot of babies losing heads if that’s the case. Anyway just a bit tongue in cheek.
 In no way do I think what elite footballers get paid is sensible or fair. However, slightly different slant on the discussion. 
Elite footballers (ie regular starters in the top 5 leagues in Europe) probably earn, on average, £30k per week. that’s a bit of an estimate tbh but a £1-2m salary a year sounds in the right ball park. These people represent the top 1000 in their profession. Of the, literally, millions of doctors, the top 1000 in their profession will absolutely be earning at least £1-2m per year. 
Just a slightly different way of thinking about it before we hang anyone working outside the emergency services earning a good salary

The only problem being the assumption that people who kick a ball should be paid anywhere near the same as medical professionals.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 15, 2023, 05:29:05 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Scott Nielsen on July 15, 2023, 04:41:37 AM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 15, 2023, 12:26:02 AM
Quote from: charlatan on July 15, 2023, 12:23:59 AM
Quote from: Drummond on July 15, 2023, 12:17:47 AM
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 14, 2023, 09:30:11 PM
Absolutely.

We are a society that values someone who can kick a ball infinitely more than we value a paramedic who will save our lives, or a firefighter who risks their life to save ours.

No we're not.

The TV companies do. 
Because you have no interest in paying them to show you paramedics or firefighters in action (or generally in inaction in the latter case).

Yeah, those pricks, refusing to start fires.

Edit: I know you're our resident Jordan Peterson, Charlatan, and - like the man himself - you don't half talk bollocks.

It's true though, no? The bit about what we want to see on our TVs. We also like to pay a lot to see actors pretending to be doctors, nurses and firefighters. Just not the real thing. 

PS. I have read Peterson's book*. You should too, it is very funny. Unintentionally so, but still.  

* An acquitance, who's general outlook on life deviates significantly from mine, gifted it to me on the only condition I would actually read it. He claimed in all sincerity it would prove life changing. I did read it and have never been able to take him seriously since. It's not so much that I have a problem with him having a different perspective on things, but the fact he found that drivel convincing. 

I did read his book. Or, in the spirit of full disclosure, as much of it as I could take before I realised that my commute was bad enough without countenancing the idea that the daft c*nt was serious. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RamboandBruno on July 15, 2023, 06:44:33 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: john2710 on July 14, 2023, 10:37:55 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on July 14, 2023, 10:21:04 PM
Quote from: john2710 on July 14, 2023, 10:00:39 PM
Quote from: villadelph on July 14, 2023, 09:56:22 PM
Quote from: john2710 on July 14, 2023, 09:37:14 PM
We won't buy Johnson & Diaby. 

Huh.. didn't we put through a legitimate bid for Diaby?

We won't buy both.

Why wouldn't we? You don't think we're going to try and buy 2 forwards or is it because you think it'll cost too much? I'm fully expecting us to buy 2 forwards and if it's right Diaby can play centrally then it would make sense.

We're not going to buy 2 players who essentially offer the same. I think we will buy a second forward but it'll be someone with different attributes.

Do you actually know they offer the same attributes John? Ive never seen Diaby play, just wondering if you have, in all sincerity, as if you have I’ll bow down to your greater knowledge on this. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on July 15, 2023, 07:03:13 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: saunders_heroes on July 15, 2023, 12:27:31 AM
Quote from: charlatan on July 15, 2023, 12:23:59 AM
Quote from: Drummond on July 15, 2023, 12:17:47 AM
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 14, 2023, 09:30:11 PM
Absolutely.

We are a society that values someone who can kick a ball infinitely more than we value a paramedic who will save our lives, or a firefighter who risks their life to save ours.

No we're not.

The TV companies do. 
Because you have no interest in paying them to show you paramedics or firefighters in action (or generally in inaction in the latter case).

Firefighters get paid for what they're prepared to do rather than what they actually (mostly) do.
My dad was a fireman. Used to think he had a dead cushy job, paid a fair old wage for mostly sitting about playing pool and drinking.

Anyway, he'd got this photo on the wall of our house, huge fire in some big building. Asked him what it was about, and he told me this story of when he'd gone to a fire in a pork scratchings factory in Oldbury.

Said they were inside fighting this fire, saw that the it was dangerously close to one of the vats of oil and it was about to blow. They ran like fuck for the door to this room, he got out. But the leading fireman saw that basically they had to shut the door right there and then, with a few firemen inside still trying to escape, or they'd all die. So he shut the door, and several (4 or 5) of my dad's mates ... well, the bodies didn't exist to be buried. My dad said he didn't eat pork scratchings again for fear that he might end up eating bits of fireman.

He'd been doing his exams at the time to become a station officer, passed them, but stayed as an ordinary fireman after that - said he didn't want to have that type of decision on his conscience.

He mostly didn't talk about his work at home, but the were 2 or 3 stories he told me along those lines and I just thought, fuck that for a game of marbles.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villatillidie25 on July 15, 2023, 07:25:46 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rory on July 15, 2023, 05:28:04 AM
Quote from: Villatillidie25 on July 15, 2023, 05:05:36 AM
Quote from: Rory on July 15, 2023, 02:47:54 AM
Quote from: CT Villan on July 15, 2023, 02:31:12 AM
The problem with this latest debate is that you are not comparing like with like.
EPL players are the elite of football players and are paid accordingly. There are thousands of professional footballers who don't earn anything like as much as doctors do.

A perfectly valid point, CT, but no consultant earns in a year what the best-paid footballers do in a month, and there are thousands of nurses who have studied and worked hard for years - and continue to do so - who use food banks.

I don't really want to get into detail, because anyone who truly believes that 'the market' delivers financial outcomes that are anything close to fair simply hasn't been paying attention to, well, anything in the history of the world, but give me four years of training at each and I reckon I'd be better at kicking a ball than delivering a baby.

Sure, I'd still be too old and slow and misplace a fair few passes, but I wouldn't be pulling a baby's head off.

I sincerely hope not given it takes 3 years to train to be a midwife. That’s a lot of babies losing heads if that’s the case. Anyway just a bit tongue in cheek.
 In no way do I think what elite footballers get paid is sensible or fair. However, slightly different slant on the discussion. 
Elite footballers (ie regular starters in the top 5 leagues in Europe) probably earn, on average, £30k per week. that’s a bit of an estimate tbh but a £1-2m salary a year sounds in the right ball park. These people represent the top 1000 in their profession. Of the, literally, millions of doctors, the top 1000 in their profession will absolutely be earning at least £1-2m per year. 
Just a slightly different way of thinking about it before we hang anyone working outside the emergency services earning a good salary

The only problem being the assumption that people who kick a ball should be paid anywhere near the same as medical professionals.

Completely valid. Think it all comes down to the forces that are paying them ie market vs public. That’s why so many health professionals move onto the private space where market forces guarantee them a higher wage. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on July 15, 2023, 08:02:19 AM
			

			

				I think that virtually everyone thinks that medical professionals and firemen etc should be paid far more for what they do.

I also think the vast majority think that footballers should be paid less.

We know who the real heroes are. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Mellin on July 15, 2023, 08:05:09 AM
			

			

				Just mulling over our squad and fuck me is it strong. Feeling impatient. Upgrade two attackers for more reliable alternatives and we're ready to go. No ceiling. Let's go get them.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: thick_mike on July 15, 2023, 08:13:04 AM
			

			

				You should see me teach dynamic chemical equilibrium. 60 minutes of pure magic. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 15, 2023, 08:58:36 AM
			

			

				The last week of this thread has been H&V gold. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ian. on July 15, 2023, 09:17:11 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 15, 2023, 08:58:36 AM
The last week of this thread has been H&V gold. 

Hasn’t it just! It all spiralled from United didn’t it?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ads on July 15, 2023, 09:18:21 AM
			

			

				The plane spotters are out tracking private jets from Dusseldorf.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV82EC on July 15, 2023, 09:22:17 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ads on July 15, 2023, 09:18:21 AM
The plane spotters are out tracking private jets from Dusseldorf.

What else is there to do. (Opens extra tab to check FlightRadar…)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on July 15, 2023, 09:23:43 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: thick_mike on July 15, 2023, 08:13:04 AM
You should see me teach dynamic chemical equilibrium. 60 minutes of pure magic.

If only you could work your magic for the full 90!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on July 15, 2023, 09:31:32 AM
			

			

				
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Well, the last few pages have cheered me up no end. AV84, don’t take it to heart, you’ve been a really good new poster until that fuck up. :-) 
It’s mainly tongue in cheek really but it does wind me up with the ‘United’ thing too, fucking arrogant bastards who think they’re the only one. Fuck em. It’s like giving them too much respect.
As for Villa Talk, you’re not missing much if they won’t let you join. Fuck them an all.

Yeah, the whole conversation with the idiot made me realise it wasn't going to be my thing. It reminded me of the old days of IRC when power-mad ops would completely ruin channels.
What you actually had a conversation with a mod and they refused to let you join?  Wtf is that all about?  I haven't been on VT for years.  I just haven't got time for a bit on the side.   

They wanted to see my facebook page to prove who I was. I don't use facebook. I gave them my LinkedIn, which had enough info to call my place of work and speak to me at my desk, but apparently that wasn't good enough as I 'could be anyone'.

I said I wasn't really interested in playing their sad little games and came here instead.

I had exactly the same experience a couple of months back. No idea why I even wanted to join, it's a terrible site - must have been a comment that annoyed me which I wanted to reply to. Best out of it.

Do they call everyone who wants to post on their site? That’s absolutely batshit mental. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on July 15, 2023, 09:34:31 AM
			

			

				I joined VT years and years ago and I don't think I posted anything at all. Shame really, I'd try again to see if they still pull that Facebook nonsense.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ads on July 15, 2023, 09:35:20 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: thick_mike on July 15, 2023, 08:13:04 AM
You should see me teach dynamic chemical equilibrium. 60 minutes of pure magic. 

You couldn't do it at a cold, wet, school in Stoke on a Tuesday afternoon. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 15, 2023, 09:59:39 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ian. on July 15, 2023, 09:17:11 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 15, 2023, 08:58:36 AM
The last week of this thread has been H&V gold. 

Hasn’t it just! It all spiralled from United didn’t it?

Which one?  >:(
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Baldy on July 15, 2023, 10:22:40 AM
			

			

				I'm so excited, I just can't hide it.

Love what's going on at the Villa and with the transfer market.

Exciting times ahead and this time, I don't think its going to be a false dawn.  :)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RamboandBruno on July 15, 2023, 10:58:46 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Baldy on July 15, 2023, 10:22:40 AM
I'm so excited, I just can't hide it.

Love what's going on at the Villa with the transfer market.

Exciting times ahead and this time, I don't think its going to be a false dawn.  :)

Yep me too. This us oldies just get this feels like the real thing. On that note, there are still tickets letft in the walsall end for todays match, but my 13 year old can’t arsed as we’re going there for the Lazio, kids need to realise whats going down here!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: andyh on July 15, 2023, 11:07:58 AM
			

			

				I was having the same conversation at work yesterday.
With the genius we have managing the club and the fantastic owners we have, I don’t think I have been this excited about an upcoming season since Sir Graham mk1.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: nigel on July 15, 2023, 11:32:41 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: algy on July 15, 2023, 07:03:13 AM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on July 15, 2023, 12:27:31 AM
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Quote from: Dogtanian on July 14, 2023, 09:30:11 PM
Absolutely.

We are a society that values someone who can kick a ball infinitely more than we value a paramedic who will save our lives, or a firefighter who risks their life to save ours.

No we're not.

The TV companies do. 
Because you have no interest in paying them to show you paramedics or firefighters in action (or generally in inaction in the latter case).

Firefighters get paid for what they're prepared to do rather than what they actually (mostly) do.
My dad was a fireman. Used to think he had a dead cushy job, paid a fair old wage for mostly sitting about playing pool and drinking.

Anyway, he'd got this photo on the wall of our house, huge fire in some big building. Asked him what it was about, and he told me this story of when he'd gone to a fire in a pork scratchings factory in Oldbury.

Said they were inside fighting this fire, saw that the it was dangerously close to one of the vats of oil and it was about to blow. They ran like fuck for the door to this room, he got out. But the leading fireman saw that basically they had to shut the door right there and then, with a few firemen inside still trying to escape, or they'd all die. So he shut the door, and several (4 or 5) of my dad's mates ... well, the bodies didn't exist to be buried. My dad said he didn't eat pork scratchings again for fear that he might end up eating bits of fireman.

He'd been doing his exams at the time to become a station officer, passed them, but stayed as an ordinary fireman after that - said he didn't want to have that type of decision on his conscience.

He mostly didn't talk about his work at home, but the were 2 or 3 stories he told me along those lines and I just thought, fuck that for a game of marbles.

When was that, mate?
I was in the Fire Service 1979-2009. 

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: thick_mike on July 15, 2023, 11:38:52 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ads on July 15, 2023, 09:35:20 AM
Quote from: thick_mike on July 15, 2023, 08:13:04 AM
You should see me teach dynamic chemical equilibrium. 60 minutes of pure magic. 

You couldn't do it at a cold, wet, school in Stoke on a Tuesday afternoon. 

Damn right! No way I’m teaching A level Chemistry in an FE College in Stoke.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on July 15, 2023, 12:01:14 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: thick_mike on July 15, 2023, 08:13:04 AM
You should see me teach dynamic chemical equilibrium. 60 minutes of pure magic. 

Skyler: "Walt...? Is that you...?"
Walter: *Furiously busys himself from behind*
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bad English on July 15, 2023, 12:06:23 PM
			

			

				Haha!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RichardBatchelor on July 15, 2023, 12:49:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rory on July 15, 2023, 02:03:11 AM
Quote from: charlatan on July 15, 2023, 12:23:59 AM
Quote from: Drummond on July 15, 2023, 12:17:47 AM
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 14, 2023, 09:30:11 PM
Absolutely.

We are a society that values someone who can kick a ball infinitely more than we value a paramedic who will save our lives, or a firefighter who risks their life to save ours.

No we're not.

The TV companies do. 
Because you have no interest in paying them to show you paramedics or firefighters in action (or generally in inaction in the latter case).

To be fair, I've stayed out of this one, but please don't be having a go at the emergency services, mate. It's not on.

Not sure that’s having a go - isn’t he simply saying that as a spectacle, most people would rather watch a game of football than firefighters when they’re at the depot. That said, obviously I’d rather watch firefighters at the depot than most borefests at the Etihad. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on July 15, 2023, 01:06:09 PM
			

			

				So...to sum up. Nothing new on the transfer front since Thursday. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: charlatan on July 15, 2023, 01:08:28 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rory on July 15, 2023, 02:03:11 AM
Quote from: charlatan on July 15, 2023, 12:23:59 AM
Quote from: Drummond on July 15, 2023, 12:17:47 AM
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 14, 2023, 09:30:11 PM
Absolutely.

We are a society that values someone who can kick a ball infinitely more than we value a paramedic who will save our lives, or a firefighter who risks their life to save ours.

No we're not.

The TV companies do. 
Because you have no interest in paying them to show you paramedics or firefighters in action (or generally in inaction in the latter case).

To be fair, I've stayed out of this one, but please don't be having a go at the emergency services, mate. It's not on.

I'm not having a go at anyone. Clearly supply and demand dictates they will get paid less than elite sportsmen in professional sports in which public interest is high. If hardly anybody was brave enough to be a firefighter or put up with the conditions of being a paramedic they would get paid more. See what happened with lorry drivers recently. Also as Ads suggests above the skills required to work in the emergency services are more readily attainable. It's not that everyone can attain them, but that there isn't a ruthless system for sorting the top few thousand most talented and throwing the rest on the scrap heap. 

(Doctors are an interesting case though: many potential medics are turned away because we don't train enough of them domestically, a situation replicated in many western countries as I understand it. Maybe the public would be happy with a larger pool of doctors of a lower average standard getting paid less (given the lack of a supply constraint) to dispense advice/treatment more swiftly. Or maybe lower wages would mean lots more doctors leaving the UK and we'd be training lots of people to earn more overseas while our effective domestic supply didn't rise much. Or maybe the government would have employed the minimum number and waiting times would be just as bad, so we'd be paying less for lower quality advice....)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: charlatan on July 15, 2023, 01:13:57 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 15, 2023, 12:26:02 AM
Quote from: charlatan on July 15, 2023, 12:23:59 AM
Quote from: Drummond on July 15, 2023, 12:17:47 AM
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 14, 2023, 09:30:11 PM
Absolutely.

We are a society that values someone who can kick a ball infinitely more than we value a paramedic who will save our lives, or a firefighter who risks their life to save ours.

No we're not.

The TV companies do. 
Because you have no interest in paying them to show you paramedics or firefighters in action (or generally in inaction in the latter case).

Yeah, those pricks, refusing to start fires.

Edit: I know you're our resident Jordan Peterson, Charlatan, and - like the man himself - you don't half talk bollocks.

You reckon I should monetise this shit as opposed to being a public sector worker?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 15, 2023, 01:14:35 PM
			

			

				There's clearly an appetite for it.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 15, 2023, 01:16:54 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: charlatan on July 15, 2023, 01:08:28 PM
Quote from: Rory on July 15, 2023, 02:03:11 AM
Quote from: charlatan on July 15, 2023, 12:23:59 AM
Quote from: Drummond on July 15, 2023, 12:17:47 AM
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 14, 2023, 09:30:11 PM
Absolutely.

We are a society that values someone who can kick a ball infinitely more than we value a paramedic who will save our lives, or a firefighter who risks their life to save ours.

No we're not.

The TV companies do. 
Because you have no interest in paying them to show you paramedics or firefighters in action (or generally in inaction in the latter case).

To be fair, I've stayed out of this one, but please don't be having a go at the emergency services, mate. It's not on.

I'm not having a go at anyone. Clearly supply and demand dictates they will get paid less than elite sportsmen in professional sports in which public interest is high. If hardly anybody was brave enough to be a firefighter or put up with the conditions of being a paramedic they would get paid more. See what happened with lorry drivers recently. Also as Ads suggests above the skills required to work in the emergency services are more readily attainable. It's not that everyone can attain them, but that there isn't a ruthless system for sorting the top few thousand most talented and throwing the rest on the scrap heap. 

(Doctors are an interesting case though: many potential medics are turned away because we don't train enough of them domestically, a situation replicated in many western countries as I understand it. Maybe the public would be happy with a larger pool of doctors of a lower average standard getting paid less (given the lack of a supply constraint) to dispense advice/treatment more swiftly. Or maybe lower wages would mean lots more doctors leaving the UK and we'd be training lots of people to earn more overseas while our effective domestic supply didn't rise much. Or maybe the government would have employed the minimum number and waiting times would be just as bad, so we'd be paying less for lower quality advice....)

Or maybe 'the market' doesn't have all the fucking answers.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: charlatan on July 15, 2023, 01:17:07 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on July 15, 2023, 08:02:19 AM
I think that virtually everyone thinks that medical professionals and firemen etc should be paid far more for what they do.

I also think the vast majority think that footballers should be paid less.

We know who the real heroes are. 

Do you vote with your feet on footballers' pay or are you part of the problem?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: charlatan on July 15, 2023, 01:17:58 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 15, 2023, 01:16:54 PM
Quote from: charlatan on July 15, 2023, 01:08:28 PM
Quote from: Rory on July 15, 2023, 02:03:11 AM
Quote from: charlatan on July 15, 2023, 12:23:59 AM
Quote from: Drummond on July 15, 2023, 12:17:47 AM
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 14, 2023, 09:30:11 PM
Absolutely.

We are a society that values someone who can kick a ball infinitely more than we value a paramedic who will save our lives, or a firefighter who risks their life to save ours.

No we're not.

The TV companies do. 
Because you have no interest in paying them to show you paramedics or firefighters in action (or generally in inaction in the latter case).

To be fair, I've stayed out of this one, but please don't be having a go at the emergency services, mate. It's not on.

I'm not having a go at anyone. Clearly supply and demand dictates they will get paid less than elite sportsmen in professional sports in which public interest is high. If hardly anybody was brave enough to be a firefighter or put up with the conditions of being a paramedic they would get paid more. See what happened with lorry drivers recently. Also as Ads suggests above the skills required to work in the emergency services are more readily attainable. It's not that everyone can attain them, but that there isn't a ruthless system for sorting the top few thousand most talented and throwing the rest on the scrap heap. 

(Doctors are an interesting case though: many potential medics are turned away because we don't train enough of them domestically, a situation replicated in many western countries as I understand it. Maybe the public would be happy with a larger pool of doctors of a lower average standard getting paid less (given the lack of a supply constraint) to dispense advice/treatment more swiftly. Or maybe lower wages would mean lots more doctors leaving the UK and we'd be training lots of people to earn more overseas while our effective domestic supply didn't rise much. Or maybe the government would have employed the minimum number and waiting times would be just as bad, so we'd be paying less for lower quality advice....)

Or maybe 'the market' doesn't have all the fucking answers.

So what's the alternative here?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RamboandBruno on July 15, 2023, 01:22:15 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: charlatan on July 15, 2023, 01:08:28 PM
Quote from: Rory on July 15, 2023, 02:03:11 AM
Quote from: charlatan on July 15, 2023, 12:23:59 AM
Quote from: Drummond on July 15, 2023, 12:17:47 AM
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 14, 2023, 09:30:11 PM
Absolutely.

We are a society that values someone who can kick a ball infinitely more than we value a paramedic who will save our lives, or a firefighter who risks their life to save ours.

No we're not.

The TV companies do. 
Because you have no interest in paying them to show you paramedics or firefighters in action (or generally in inaction in the latter case).

To be fair, I've stayed out of this one, but please don't be having a go at the emergency services, mate. It's not on.

I'm not having a go at anyone. Clearly supply and demand dictates they will get paid less than elite sportsmen in professional sports in which public interest is high. If hardly anybody was brave enough to be a firefighter or put up with the conditions of being a paramedic they would get paid more. See what happened with lorry drivers recently. Also as Ads suggests above the skills required to work in the emergency services are more readily attainable. It's not that everyone can attain them, but that there isn't a ruthless system for sorting the top few thousand most talented and throwing the rest on the scrap heap. 

(Doctors are an interesting case though: many potential medics are turned away because we don't train enough of them domestically, a situation replicated in many western countries as I understand it. Maybe the public would be happy with a larger pool of doctors of a lower average standard getting paid less (given the lack of a supply constraint) to dispense advice/treatment more swiftly. Or maybe lower wages would mean lots more doctors leaving the UK and we'd be training lots of people to earn more overseas while our effective domestic supply didn't rise much. Or maybe the government would have employed the minimum number and waiting times would be just as bad, so we'd be paying less for lower quality advice....)

A flaw in your argument is there isn’t enough nurses, and other public sector workers, because generally the conditions of employment and pay are utter shite. The Government regularly instead churns out crap insinuating about vocational pride, our NHS heroes, who we don’t deem worthy enough to pay wages high enough to be able to afford a mortgage in a lot of the towns and cities they work in. The premier league football debate is a diversion and the obscene wages are funded by a combination of the media, hedge funds, billionaires and now nation states. 
The wages of public sector workers who help to keep us alive and ticking over are about Government choices and how they priorities as much as anything else. I know first hand what a nurse of many years experience gets paid and for the most part unless there is a move into managerial roles, its £30k a year or less, you can earn more literally in some call centre or supermarket jobs and Im not being disparaging to those workers, but they don’t help to keep us well. 
We are not as a country overflowing with nurses or teachers, with supply outstripping demand, you only have to visit a hospital or look at the stats on new entrants into teaching training too see the supply demand argument is completely flawed. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 15, 2023, 01:22:22 PM
			

			

				I'm not biting again. You're boring, as would be my alternatives.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on July 15, 2023, 01:38:16 PM
			

			

				The UK pays medical staff less than other countries where, I notice, footballers are also rich.

I mean I'm as confused as anybody.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 15, 2023, 01:49:45 PM
			

			

				Football is a global industry where there aren't many barriers in terms of selling the product and employees moving freely from country to country. Whatever people on here assign as a value to footballers or surgeons, all the time the Premier League is being sold abroad for billions then the players are going to earn astronomical amounts. The only alternative would be for the Premier League to disband, stop selling rights abroad and for us to go back to a parochial lower league standard of football. Entertainers have always earned huge amounts in comparison to more "worthy" careers. Jarvis Cocker, Bruce Springsteen and Damon Albarn will just have earned a few million quid each for a couple of hours of singing songs they wrote 30 years ago to tens of thousands of people.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on July 15, 2023, 01:51:36 PM
			

			

				Sooooooo, transfers anyone? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: charlatan on July 15, 2023, 01:52:19 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: RamboandBruno on July 15, 2023, 01:22:15 PM
A flaw in your argument is there isn’t enough nurses, and other public sector workers, because generally the conditions of employment and pay are utter shite. The Government regularly instead churns out crap insinuating about vocational pride, our NHS heroes, who we don’t deem worthy enough to pay wages high enough to be able to afford a mortgage in a lot of the towns and cities they work in. The premier league football debate is a diversion and the obscene wages are funded by a combination of the media, hedge funds, billionaires and now nation states. 
The wages of public sector workers who help to keep us alive and ticking over are about Government choices and how they priorities as much as anything else. I know first hand what a nurse of many years experience gets paid and for the most part unless there is a move into managerial roles, its £30k a year or less, you can earn more literally in some call centre or supermarket jobs and Im not being disparaging to those workers, but they don’t help to keep us well. 
We are not as a country overflowing with nurses or teachers, with supply outstripping demand, you only have to visit a hospital or look at the stats on new entrants into teaching training too see the supply demand argument is completely flawed. 

You're right to point out out that as a result of stagnant pay the government is having difficulty recruiting people into nursing and teaching (reflecting my point about supply and demand). What comes next? Either the government imports lots from overseas (easier for nurses presumably given teaching requires good english) or pay has to increase relative to other occupations or the service gets worse.

What footballers get paid is irrelevant to those decisions (it's not an attainable alternative like working in a call centre or a supermarket or perhaps training as an accountant). But clearly even if government decided health or education was the highest priority and massively ramped up spending so that pay was seen as extremely attractive, it would still be an order of magnitude lower than the highest pay in entertainment industries because those are more competitive environments.

I'm working on a project at work concerning fairness and it's very problematic because no one can agree on what represents fairness or what the public will perceive as fair (don't worry: I'm just doing the numbers, so I won't get to define it).
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: charlatan on July 15, 2023, 02:02:44 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Monty on July 15, 2023, 01:38:16 PM
The UK pays medical staff less than other countries where, I notice, footballers are also rich.

I mean I'm as confused as anybody.
NHS has massive monopsony power?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on July 15, 2023, 02:10:33 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: charlatan on July 15, 2023, 02:02:44 PM
Quote from: Monty on July 15, 2023, 01:38:16 PM
The UK pays medical staff less than other countries where, I notice, footballers are also rich.

I mean I'm as confused as anybody.
NHS has massive monopsony power?

Cannot think of a single other major economy whose main sport is football where this is the case. 

Apart from, you know, all of them.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 15, 2023, 02:16:22 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on July 15, 2023, 01:49:45 PM
Football is a global industry where there aren't many barriers in terms of selling the product and employees moving freely from country to country. Whatever people on here assign as a value to footballers or surgeons, all the time the Premier League is being sold abroad for billions then the players are going to earn astronomical amounts. The only alternative would be for the Premier League to disband, stop selling rights abroad and for us to go back to a parochial lower league standard of football. Entertainers have always earned huge amounts in comparison to more "worthy" careers. Jarvis Cocker, Bruce Springsteen and Damon Albarn will just have earned a few million quid each for a couple of hours of singing songs they wrote 30 years ago to tens of thousands of people.

Yup. I think the easiest comparison with football is cinema. Some actors get paid millions for films, others do very well, some okay, most are looking for their big break. It's a global entertainment industry, just like football. The big production companies can afford to pay for the best knowing it almost guarantees success. Neither football or cinema are 'normal' industries, they're the exception. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 02:21:19 PM
			

			

				I hope we sign someone soon, so I don't have trawl through all the leftist word salad much longer and we can get back to discussing football.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on July 15, 2023, 02:22:49 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: charlatan on July 15, 2023, 01:17:07 PM
Quote from: Drummond on July 15, 2023, 08:02:19 AM
I think that virtually everyone thinks that medical professionals and firemen etc should be paid far more for what they do.

I also think the vast majority think that footballers should be paid less.

We know who the real heroes are. 

Do you vote with your feet on footballers' pay or are you part of the problem?

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make, but every football supporter, whether they watch on TV, or in person, or.who buy tat from the shop are part of the problem. So yes, I am.

I also vote to support the NHS and emergency services with more funding and support people with their demand for improved terms and conditions.


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Small Rodent on July 15, 2023, 02:28:31 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 02:21:19 PM
I hope we sign someone soon, so I don't have trawl through all the leftist word salad much longer and we can get back to discussing football.

“Leftist”? Wanting nurses and teachers to be paid more? I thought it would be a universal concern.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RamboandBruno on July 15, 2023, 02:29:58 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 02:21:19 PM
I hope we sign someone soon, so I don't have trawl through all the leftist word salad much longer and we can get back to discussing football.
Leftist word salad, talking about NHS workers pay? JFC
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on July 15, 2023, 02:32:09 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: nigel on July 15, 2023, 11:32:41 AM
Quote from: algy on July 15, 2023, 07:03:13 AM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on July 15, 2023, 12:27:31 AM
Quote from: charlatan on July 15, 2023, 12:23:59 AM
Quote from: Drummond on July 15, 2023, 12:17:47 AM
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 14, 2023, 09:30:11 PM
Absolutely.

We are a society that values someone who can kick a ball infinitely more than we value a paramedic who will save our lives, or a firefighter who risks their life to save ours.

No we're not.

The TV companies do. 
Because you have no interest in paying them to show you paramedics or firefighters in action (or generally in inaction in the latter case).

Firefighters get paid for what they're prepared to do rather than what they actually (mostly) do.
My dad was a fireman. Used to think he had a dead cushy job, paid a fair old wage for mostly sitting about playing pool and drinking.

Anyway, he'd got this photo on the wall of our house, huge fire in some big building. Asked him what it was about, and he told me this story of when he'd gone to a fire in a pork scratchings factory in Oldbury.

Said they were inside fighting this fire, saw that the it was dangerously close to one of the vats of oil and it was about to blow. They ran like fuck for the door to this room, he got out. But the leading fireman saw that basically they had to shut the door right there and then, with a few firemen inside still trying to escape, or they'd all die. So he shut the door, and several (4 or 5) of my dad's mates ... well, the bodies didn't exist to be buried. My dad said he didn't eat pork scratchings again for fear that he might end up eating bits of fireman.

He'd been doing his exams at the time to become a station officer, passed them, but stayed as an ordinary fireman after that - said he didn't want to have that type of decision on his conscience.

He mostly didn't talk about his work at home, but the were 2 or 3 stories he told me along those lines and I just thought, fuck that for a game of marbles.

When was that, mate?
I was in the Fire Service 1979-2009.
Ah, well I'd guess it would be mid-late 70s. Know he was in Lichfield from (very) late 70s to 2001, and he'd been at Tipton before that but don't know the dates. Could ask him next time I see him though.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 15, 2023, 02:44:28 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Small Rodent on July 15, 2023, 02:28:31 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 02:21:19 PM
I hope we sign someone soon, so I don't have trawl through all the leftist word salad much longer and we can get back to discussing football.

“Leftist”? Wanting nurses and teachers to be paid more? I thought it would be a universal concern.

I think the artificial and spurious conflation with what footballers earn is the problem.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 15, 2023, 02:44:50 PM
			

			

				My dad's band, Leftist Word Salad, are playing at the Hare & Hounds later if anyone's around. The old man's been dead for 11 years, but he loves his music.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ads on July 15, 2023, 03:06:10 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on July 15, 2023, 02:44:28 PM
Quote from: Small Rodent on July 15, 2023, 02:28:31 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 02:21:19 PM
I hope we sign someone soon, so I don't have trawl through all the leftist word salad much longer and we can get back to discussing football.

“Leftist”? Wanting nurses and teachers to be paid more? I thought it would be a universal concern.

I think the artificial and spurious conflation with what footballers earn is the problem.

Yeah the original acorn from which thus H&V classic thread deviation started from was peak culture war bollocks
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 03:15:42 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on July 15, 2023, 02:44:28 PM
Quote from: Small Rodent on July 15, 2023, 02:28:31 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 02:21:19 PM
I hope we sign someone soon, so I don't have trawl through all the leftist word salad much longer and we can get back to discussing football.

“Leftist”? Wanting nurses and teachers to be paid more? I thought it would be a universal concern.

I think the artificial and spurious conflation with what footballers earn is the problem.

Thanks Risso, that is exactly what I mean.

I wasn't going to bite but teachers? I doubt many people are keen on giving in to their pay demands, certainly not if means their tax going up.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bad English on July 15, 2023, 03:17:29 PM
			

			

				You speak for yourself.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 15, 2023, 03:21:47 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 03:15:42 PM
Quote from: Risso on July 15, 2023, 02:44:28 PM
Quote from: Small Rodent on July 15, 2023, 02:28:31 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 02:21:19 PM
I hope we sign someone soon, so I don't have trawl through all the leftist word salad much longer and we can get back to discussing football.

“Leftist”? Wanting nurses and teachers to be paid more? I thought it would be a universal concern.

I think the artificial and spurious conflation with what footballers earn is the problem.

Thanks Risso, that is exactly what I mean.

I wasn't going to bite but teachers? I doubt many people are keen on giving in to their pay demands, certainly not if means their tax going up.

I'm not necessarily representative of the populace, but I want teachers' pay to go up. And my taxes, if need be.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 03:22:47 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bad English on July 15, 2023, 03:17:29 PM
You speak for yourself.

I'm more than happy for French tax to go up.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 15, 2023, 03:27:19 PM
			

			

				‘Word Salad’ …???
😁
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RamboandBruno on July 15, 2023, 03:30:21 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 03:15:42 PM
Quote from: Risso on July 15, 2023, 02:44:28 PM
Quote from: Small Rodent on July 15, 2023, 02:28:31 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 02:21:19 PM
I hope we sign someone soon, so I don't have trawl through all the leftist word salad much longer and we can get back to discussing football.

“Leftist”? Wanting nurses and teachers to be paid more? I thought it would be a universal concern.

I think the artificial and spurious conflation with what footballers earn is the problem.

Thanks Risso, that is exactly what I mean.

I wasn't going to bite but teachers? I doubt many people are keen on giving in to their pay demands, certainly not if means their tax going up.

Yes teachers, long hours, not great pay, most teachers i know are working for large parts of the weekend after a long week at work. Most teachers haven’t had an above inflation pay rise in years, the numbers of graduates training to teach has dropped fairly dramatically over the last few years, and lots going into the profession don’t last past 5 years, partly down the workload/pressure to pay dynamic. 

But then I guess being happy for teachers to mobilise in order to gain a pay rise that would otherwise never be forthcoming, is just leftist word salad. 

I do agree that football players wages is a diversion away from the causes and affects of shitting all over our public sector workers and people like yourself seemingly being pretty comfortable with it. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 15, 2023, 03:34:47 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 15, 2023, 03:21:47 PM

I'm not necessarily representative of the populace, but I want teachers' pay to go up. And my taxes, if need be.

If your tax goes up, then everybody's tax goes up, and people earn less, including teachers.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 15, 2023, 03:38:21 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on July 15, 2023, 03:34:47 PM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 15, 2023, 03:21:47 PM

I'm not necessarily representative of the populace, but I want teachers' pay to go up. And my taxes, if need be.

If your tax goes up, then everybody's tax goes up, and people earn less, including teachers.

Ha! Fucking hell mate, that's a stretch.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Richard E on July 15, 2023, 03:39:20 PM
			

			

				What is a "pay rise"? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 15, 2023, 03:41:56 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 15, 2023, 03:38:21 PM
Quote from: Risso on July 15, 2023, 03:34:47 PM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 15, 2023, 03:21:47 PM

I'm not necessarily representative of the populace, but I want teachers' pay to go up. And my taxes, if need be.

If your tax goes up, then everybody's tax goes up, and people earn less, including teachers.

Ha! Fucking hell mate, that's a stretch.

It's really not. People are striking to be paid more. If your tax goes up, you take home less pay, it's not rocket science. "I'd happily pay more tax for this...." is something your hear a lot, and then you see the reality when things like the National Insurance increase come in, turns out people weren't as happy as they once pretended they were.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on July 15, 2023, 03:46:51 PM
			

			

				And yet other countries seem to manage it.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 15, 2023, 03:51:55 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on July 15, 2023, 03:41:56 PM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 15, 2023, 03:38:21 PM
Quote from: Risso on July 15, 2023, 03:34:47 PM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 15, 2023, 03:21:47 PM

I'm not necessarily representative of the populace, but I want teachers' pay to go up. And my taxes, if need be.

If your tax goes up, then everybody's tax goes up, and people earn less, including teachers.

Ha! Fucking hell mate, that's a stretch.

It's really not. People are striking to be paid more. If your tax goes up, you take home less pay, it's not rocket science. "I'd happily pay more tax for this...." is something your hear a lot, and then you see the reality when things like the National Insurance increase come in, turns out people weren't as happy as they once pretended they were.

I'm not pretending. I've never been angered by tax rises, and I won't be. Despite not having kids, I recognise that society extends beyond me and my family. I guess that's why I'm not a Tory.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 15, 2023, 03:52:00 PM
			

			

				Manage what?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 15, 2023, 03:52:46 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 15, 2023, 03:51:55 PM
Quote from: Risso on July 15, 2023, 03:41:56 PM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 15, 2023, 03:38:21 PM
Quote from: Risso on July 15, 2023, 03:34:47 PM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 15, 2023, 03:21:47 PM

I'm not necessarily representative of the populace, but I want teachers' pay to go up. And my taxes, if need be.

If your tax goes up, then everybody's tax goes up, and people earn less, including teachers.

Ha! Fucking hell mate, that's a stretch.

It's really not. People are striking to be paid more. If your tax goes up, you take home less pay, it's not rocket science. "I'd happily pay more tax for this...." is something your hear a lot, and then you see the reality when things like the National Insurance increase come in, turns out people weren't as happy as they once pretended they were.

I'm not pretending. I've never been angered by tax rises, and I won't be. Despite not having kids, I recognise that society extends beyond me and my family. I guess that's why I'm not a Tory.

I wasn't talking about you mate.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 15, 2023, 03:53:34 PM
			

			

				You quoted me?!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 15, 2023, 03:55:26 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 15, 2023, 03:53:34 PM
You quoted me?!

That's generally how conversations work on here.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: danno on July 15, 2023, 03:56:36 PM
			

			

				Stays away from politics thread, so it comes to find me. 😫
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 15, 2023, 03:56:56 PM
			

			

				I know. So how weren't you talking about me?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 15, 2023, 03:58:26 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 15, 2023, 03:56:56 PM
I know. So how weren't you talking about me?

I mentioned the National Insurance rise and people in general, not you. I have no idea how you reacted to that.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 15, 2023, 03:59:13 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on July 15, 2023, 03:58:26 PM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 15, 2023, 03:56:56 PM
I know. So how weren't you talking about me?

I mentioned the National Insurance rise and people in general, not you. I have no idea how you reacted to that.

Fair enough. I must have missed something.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on July 15, 2023, 04:01:49 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on July 15, 2023, 03:52:00 PM
Manage what?

To pay frontline medical staff wages commensurate with their job and in line with inflation without ruining it all in tax rises.

https://www.qunomedical.com/en/research/healthcare-salary-index

'The UK invests just £3,257 per capita, 18th in the OECD despite being the fifth largest economy in the world. While hospital nurses, general practitioners and emergency physicians in the UK do earn more than the national average, this does not account for their overtime hours.'
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 15, 2023, 04:08:01 PM
			

			

				Wheres the transfer thread?

Ferran , Johnson and Diaby would be a great attacking triumvirate.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on July 15, 2023, 04:10:16 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 15, 2023, 04:08:01 PM
Wheres the transfer thread?

Ferran , Johnson and Diaby would be a great attacking triumvirate.

Thank God for you FV.

I'm not as enthused by Johnson as some others on here, entirely for the prejudicial and unfair reason that I still regard English players I hadn't heard of until recently as suspicious and probably overpriced.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 15, 2023, 04:16:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Monty on July 15, 2023, 04:10:16 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 15, 2023, 04:08:01 PM
Wheres the transfer thread?

Ferran , Johnson and Diaby would be a great attacking triumvirate.

Thank God for you FV.

I'm not as enthused by Johnson as some others on here, entirely for the prejudicial and unfair reason that I still regard English players I hadn't heard of until recently as suspicious and probably overpriced.
There seems to be a Premier league tax! 
Yes if 50m is the price asked by Forest I think Mochi and Emery will look elsewhere. I know Chelsea want 50m for Gallagher. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 15, 2023, 04:16:28 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 15, 2023, 03:21:47 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 03:15:42 PM
Quote from: Risso on July 15, 2023, 02:44:28 PM
Quote from: Small Rodent on July 15, 2023, 02:28:31 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 02:21:19 PM
I hope we sign someone soon, so I don't have trawl through all the leftist word salad much longer and we can get back to discussing football.

“Leftist”? Wanting nurses and teachers to be paid more? I thought it would be a universal concern.

I think the artificial and spurious conflation with what footballers earn is the problem.

Thanks Risso, that is exactly what I mean.

I wasn't going to bite but teachers? I doubt many people are keen on giving in to their pay demands, certainly not if means their tax going up.

I'm not necessarily representative of the populace, but I want teachers' pay to go up. And my taxes, if need be.

Quite right. I'm happy for your taxes to go up too, for the greater good.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on July 15, 2023, 04:18:21 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 15, 2023, 04:16:17 PM
Quote from: Monty on July 15, 2023, 04:10:16 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 15, 2023, 04:08:01 PM
Wheres the transfer thread?

Ferran , Johnson and Diaby would be a great attacking triumvirate.

Thank God for you FV.

I'm not as enthused by Johnson as some others on here, entirely for the prejudicial and unfair reason that I still regard English players I hadn't heard of until recently as suspicious and probably overpriced.
There seems to be a Premier league tax! 
Yes if 50m is the price asked by Forest I think Mochi and Emery will look elsewhere. I know Chelsea want 50m for Gallagher. 

Indeed, which is genuine robbery!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Small Rodent on July 15, 2023, 04:19:02 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 03:15:42 PM
Quote from: Risso on July 15, 2023, 02:44:28 PM
Quote from: Small Rodent on July 15, 2023, 02:28:31 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 02:21:19 PM
I hope we sign someone soon, so I don't have trawl through all the leftist word salad much longer and we can get back to discussing football.

“Leftist”? Wanting nurses and teachers to be paid more? I thought it would be a universal concern.

I think the artificial and spurious conflation with what footballers earn is the problem.

Thanks Risso, that is exactly what I mean.

I wasn't going to bite but teachers? I doubt many people are keen on giving in to their pay demands, certainly not if means their tax going up.

Ha ha! The Three Torysketeers unite! 

All for me and all for me!!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 04:19:27 PM
			

			

				The state school system is so infested with leftists that I pay for my kids to be privately educated. Labour are already talking about lumping more cost on those fees to pay for a service I chose not to use. They have a lot of holidays, don’t work particularly long hours, took a long holiday during Covid whilst I worked all the way through it. Not the slightest bit interested in paying them more.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on July 15, 2023, 04:22:09 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 04:19:27 PM
The state school system is so infested with leftists that I pay for my kids to be privately educated. Labour are already talking about lumping more cost on those fees to pay for a service I chose not to use. They have a lot of holidays, don’t work particularly long hours, took a long holiday during Covid whilst I worked all the way through it. Not the slightest bit interested in paying them more.

Quite right! I mean how important to a country's future are [checks notes] children? 

But I guess, as I'm sure you like to say, you get what you pay for.

#ToriesForDecline
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on July 15, 2023, 04:22:28 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 04:19:27 PM
The state school system is so infested with leftists that I pay for my kids to be privately educated. Labour are already talking about lumping more cost on those fees to pay for a service I chose not to use. They have a lot of holidays, don’t work particularly long hours, took a long holiday during Covid whilst I worked all the way through it. Not the slightest bit interested in paying them more.

Using the word infested shows you up for exactly what you are, pathetic.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Small Rodent on July 15, 2023, 04:23:11 PM
			

			

				Teachers worked through Covid. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 04:24:13 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Monty on July 15, 2023, 04:22:09 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 04:19:27 PM
The state school system is so infested with leftists that I pay for my kids to be privately educated. Labour are already talking about lumping more cost on those fees to pay for a service I chose not to use. They have a lot of holidays, don’t work particularly long hours, took a long holiday during Covid whilst I worked all the way through it. Not the slightest bit interested in paying them more.

Quite right! I mean how important to a country's future are [checks notes] children? 

But, as I'm sure you say, you get what you pay for.

#ToriesForDecline

Very important, they deserve better. They won’t get it until teachers spend more time teaching and less time being activists.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dr.chekov on July 15, 2023, 04:24:59 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 04:19:27 PM
The state school system is so infested with leftists that I pay for my kids to be privately educated. Labour are already talking about lumping more cost on those fees to pay for a service I chose not to use. They have a lot of holidays, don’t work particularly long hours, took a long holiday during Covid whilst I worked all the way through it. Not the slightest bit interested in paying them more.


wow.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on July 15, 2023, 04:25:23 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 04:24:13 PM
Quote from: Monty on July 15, 2023, 04:22:09 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 04:19:27 PM
The state school system is so infested with leftists that I pay for my kids to be privately educated. Labour are already talking about lumping more cost on those fees to pay for a service I chose not to use. They have a lot of holidays, don’t work particularly long hours, took a long holiday during Covid whilst I worked all the way through it. Not the slightest bit interested in paying them more.

Quite right! I mean how important to a country's future are [checks notes] children? 

But, as I'm sure you say, you get what you pay for.

#ToriesForDecline

Very important, they deserve better. They won’t get it until teachers spend more time teaching and less time being activists.

If only the left wing hadn't been in charge of the national curriculum for the last decade and a half WAIT HOLD THE FORT NEWS JUST IN

I think, my dear fellow, you'd benefit from getting of American Twitter or whatever on earth has given you these extraordinary views and looking around you somewhat. You might be surprised by what you see!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RamboandBruno on July 15, 2023, 04:27:31 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 04:19:27 PM
The state school system is so infested with leftists that I pay for my kids to be privately educated. Labour are already talking about lumping more cost on those fees to pay for a service I chose not to use. They have a lot of holidays, don’t work particularly long hours, took a long holiday during Covid whilst I worked all the way through it. Not the slightest bit interested in paying them more.

State school system a service you choose not to use, its not a bleeding car wash. Fair enough though  you can afford to pay privately, most can’t, but fuck all the rest hey, market forces and that. Infested, us lefties must be a disease. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on July 15, 2023, 04:41:37 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 04:19:27 PM
The state school system is so infested with leftists that I pay for my kids to be privately educated. Labour are already talking about lumping more cost on those fees to pay for a service I chose not to use. They have a lot of holidays, don’t work particularly long hours, took a long holiday during Covid whilst I worked all the way through it. Not the slightest bit interested in paying them more.

I know this is a transfers thread, but...
Ashton, so sad and misguided. Thoughts and prayers mate. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 15, 2023, 04:41:57 PM
			

			

				https://twitter.com/aftvmedia/status/1680187333398740993?s=46&t=s4PUnd105bLdPWkz1Dmnlg

Arsenal fans. 

At least we’re not like that. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 15, 2023, 04:44:42 PM
			

			

				It's interesting that Villa agreed to sign Roma's Tammy Abraham before his injury, so there must be a move for a senior striker to help Watkins alongside Dhuran and Archer.

I think the Felix news is that he wouldn't join us at this moment and that despite our intention of wanting him, he's not prepared to come, so I would discount the further noise on this transfer.

The Italian rumours linking Milan players De Ketelaere, Origi, to Villa are less substantiated. Two strikers are just gossip, and it seemed like some sort of deal to have information released with Villa linked to them.
There hasn't been any official announcement on Oxlade-Chamberlain, but this transfer has been strongly reported.

 


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AlexAlexCropley on July 15, 2023, 04:45:46 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 04:24:13 PM
Quote from: Monty on July 15, 2023, 04:22:09 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 04:19:27 PM
The state school system is so infested with leftists that I pay for my kids to be privately educated. Labour are already talking about lumping more cost on those fees to pay for a service I chose not to use. They have a lot of holidays, don’t work particularly long hours, took a long holiday during Covid whilst I worked all the way through it. Not the slightest bit interested in paying them more.

Quite right! I mean how important to a country's future are [checks notes] children? 

But, as I'm sure you say, you get what you pay for.

#ToriesForDecline

Very important, they deserve better. They won’t get it until teachers spend more time teaching and less time being activists.
I suggest you spend a week shadowing my daughter or son-in-law who are both secondary teachers. Would you be in for a shock pal.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 15, 2023, 04:51:08 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Monty on May 04, 2023, 01:49:20 PM
Quote from: Smirker on May 04, 2023, 01:23:48 PM
Ferran Torres linked with us. Now that would be good  8)

I'm sure it's just AI-generated spin-the-wheel rumour bullshit, but honestly - I think that would be an incredibly good move.
The Ferran link doesn't seem to go away. Seems like he and Vlahović were sounded out a while back. 
Ferran would be most likely and would be exciting move.
There is definitely a link and would fit Emery well

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on July 15, 2023, 04:53:15 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 15, 2023, 04:51:08 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 04, 2023, 01:49:20 PM
Quote from: Smirker on May 04, 2023, 01:23:48 PM
Ferran Torres linked with us. Now that would be good  8)

I'm sure it's just AI-generated spin-the-wheel rumour bullshit, but honestly - I think that would be an incredibly good move.
The Ferran link doesn't seem to go away. Seems like he and Vlahović were sounded out a while back. 
Ferran would be most likely and would be exciting move.
There is definitely a link and would fit Emery well


Please don't drag up stuff from 2 months back to comment on, particularly when there are so many more recent links to the same guy.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on July 15, 2023, 04:53:17 PM
			

			

				Good grief Ashton you don’t half spout some nonsense.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: malckennedy on July 15, 2023, 04:54:23 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 04:19:27 PM
The state school system is so infested with leftists that I pay for my kids to be privately educated. Labour are already talking about lumping more cost on those fees to pay for a service I chose not to use. They have a lot of holidays, don’t work particularly long hours, took a long holiday during Covid whilst I worked all the way through it. Not the slightest bit interested in paying them more.


I don't think you're serious. You're the parody drunk down the pub or the golf club.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Small Rodent on July 15, 2023, 04:57:19 PM
			

			

				With the team departing soon for the USA, I’m hoping to see some moves.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Tom_Mc9? on July 15, 2023, 05:06:03 PM
			

			

				AshtonVilla, I’m sure your many years working in education have helped you form such an excellent opinion. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on July 15, 2023, 05:17:34 PM
			

			

				Ashtonvilla, did you have your sense of empathy removed via the NHS or did you go private?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on July 15, 2023, 05:24:08 PM
			

			

				Bloody hell. That’s a hell of an ignorant position you’ve got there Ashton. I couldn’t disagree more with the entirety of your post. Good luck defending that. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 15, 2023, 05:30:04 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AlexAlexCropley on July 15, 2023, 04:45:46 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 04:24:13 PM
Quote from: Monty on July 15, 2023, 04:22:09 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 04:19:27 PM
The state school system is so infested with leftists that I pay for my kids to be privately educated. Labour are already talking about lumping more cost on those fees to pay for a service I chose not to use. They have a lot of holidays, don’t work particularly long hours, took a long holiday during Covid whilst I worked all the way through it. Not the slightest bit interested in paying them more.

Quite right! I mean how important to a country's future are [checks notes] children? 

But, as I'm sure you say, you get what you pay for.

#ToriesForDecline

Very important, they deserve better. They won’t get it until teachers spend more time teaching and less time being activists.
I suggest you spend a week shadowing my daughter or son-in-law who are both secondary teachers. Would you be in for a shock pal.

Of course he would, because he obviously hasn’t got a fucking clue what he’s talking about and he doesn’t give a shit about anybody else.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: N'ZMAV on July 15, 2023, 05:33:26 PM
			

			

				What a fucking tool. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 15, 2023, 05:33:59 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 15, 2023, 04:16:28 PM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 15, 2023, 03:21:47 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 03:15:42 PM
Quote from: Risso on July 15, 2023, 02:44:28 PM
Quote from: Small Rodent on July 15, 2023, 02:28:31 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 02:21:19 PM
I hope we sign someone soon, so I don't have trawl through all the leftist word salad much longer and we can get back to discussing football.

“Leftist”? Wanting nurses and teachers to be paid more? I thought it would be a universal concern.

I think the artificial and spurious conflation with what footballers earn is the problem.

Thanks Risso, that is exactly what I mean.

I wasn't going to bite but teachers? I doubt many people are keen on giving in to their pay demands, certainly not if means their tax going up.

I'm not necessarily representative of the populace, but I want teachers' pay to go up. And my taxes, if need be.

Quite right. I'm happy for your taxes to go up too, for the greater good.

And I'll be laughing like a fucking drain when you correctly have to pay VAT on your private school fees, whilst also feeling very sorry for your children.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john2710 on July 15, 2023, 05:48:30 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 04:19:27 PM
The state school system is so infested with leftists that I pay for my kids to be privately educated. Labour are already talking about lumping more cost on those fees to pay for a service I chose not to use. They have a lot of holidays, don’t work particularly long hours, took a long holiday during Covid whilst I worked all the way through it. Not the slightest bit interested in paying them more.

Teachers spend their day filling children's heads with LGBT rights & general wokery. They get all of the above & a guaranteed 'gold plated' pension your average shop worker would die for. Most have never been outside the education system & wouldn't last 5 minutes in the real world.

My Wife, on the other hand; a teacher of 30 years, would rip my throat out if she thought I believed such absolute bollocks.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 15, 2023, 05:52:29 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: john2710 on July 15, 2023, 05:48:30 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 04:19:27 PM
The state school system is so infested with leftists that I pay for my kids to be privately educated. Labour are already talking about lumping more cost on those fees to pay for a service I chose not to use. They have a lot of holidays, don’t work particularly long hours, took a long holiday during Covid whilst I worked all the way through it. Not the slightest bit interested in paying them more.

Teachers spend their day filling children's heads with LGBT rights & general wokery. They get all of the above & a guaranteed 'gold plated' pension your average shop worker would die for. Most have never been outside the education system & wouldn't last 5 minutes in the real world.

My Wife, on the other hand; a teacher of 30 years, would rip my throat out if she thought I believed such absolute bollocks.

I’m sure she knows that you haven’t donated your heart and brain to medical science recently.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: nigel on July 15, 2023, 05:52:50 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 04:19:27 PM
The state school system is so infested with leftists that I pay for my kids to be privately educated. Labour are already talking about lumping more cost on those fees to pay for a service I chose not to use. They have a lot of holidays, don’t work particularly long hours, took a long holiday during Covid whilst I worked all the way through it. Not the slightest bit interested in paying them more.

What a load of shit you speak!!!
My lads a teacher, he worked all through Covid, during the 6 week holiday he works 4 of them preparing for the following term, the other breaks he works several days, again, in preparation for the following term and he also works several evenings a week, at home, on various things.


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on July 15, 2023, 05:55:39 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on July 15, 2023, 04:53:15 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 15, 2023, 04:51:08 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 04, 2023, 01:49:20 PM
Quote from: Smirker on May 04, 2023, 01:23:48 PM
Ferran Torres linked with us. Now that would be good  8)

I'm sure it's just AI-generated spin-the-wheel rumour bullshit, but honestly - I think that would be an incredibly good move.
The Ferran link doesn't seem to go away. Seems like he and Vlahović were sounded out a while back. 
Ferran would be most likely and would be exciting move.
There is definitely a link and would fit Emery well


Please don't drag up stuff from 2 months back to comment on, particularly when there are so many more recent links to the same guy.

Footy's been away since then. Cut him slack and welcome your own sparring partner back. Plus, I bet he believes in nurses and teachers too.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 15, 2023, 05:57:36 PM
			

			

				Well said Eamonn.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: charlatan on July 15, 2023, 05:59:04 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Monty on July 15, 2023, 02:10:33 PM
Quote from: charlatan on July 15, 2023, 02:02:44 PM
Quote from: Monty on July 15, 2023, 01:38:16 PM
The UK pays medical staff less than other countries where, I notice, footballers are also rich.

I mean I'm as confused as anybody.
NHS has massive monopsony power?

Cannot think of a single other major economy whose main sport is football where this is the case. 

Apart from, you know, all of them.

Apparently more than half of the hospital beds in Germany, Belgium and the Netherlands are in private hospitals. Even though they will be mostly treating patients with public health insurance this presumably means private providers competing with each other to hire doctors to some extent.

Unclear why the criterion has changed from footballers being rich to football being the main sport? Perhaps because the US (standard disclaimer: not recommending their model) would have undermined your retort. So that's clearly another example where there isn't the same brand of monopsony. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dave shelley on July 15, 2023, 06:04:47 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: nigel on July 15, 2023, 05:52:50 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 04:19:27 PM
The state school system is so infested with leftists that I pay for my kids to be privately educated. Labour are already talking about lumping more cost on those fees to pay for a service I chose not to use. They have a lot of holidays, don’t work particularly long hours, took a long holiday during Covid whilst I worked all the way through it. Not the slightest bit interested in paying them more.

What a load of shit you speak!!!
My lads a teacher, he worked all through Covid, during the 6 week holiday he works 4 of them preparing for the following term, the other breaks he works several days, again, in preparation for the following term and he also works several evenings a week, at home, on various things.



That's saved me a whole lot of typing Nigel.  My son did something similar, plus organising zoom lessons and spending his day doing it.  He teaches in an 'A' Level college so the kids are keen.  

My daughter is a primary school teacher who is big into inclusion and totally invested in education, not for the pay and not for the holiday's, the usual stick used to beat teachers with.  

I wonder does Ashton realise he's able to read what's going on here because in all probability a teacher taught him to.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: charlatan on July 15, 2023, 06:06:28 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on July 15, 2023, 02:22:49 PM
Quote from: charlatan on July 15, 2023, 01:17:07 PM
Quote from: Drummond on July 15, 2023, 08:02:19 AM
I think that virtually everyone thinks that medical professionals and firemen etc should be paid far more for what they do.

I also think the vast majority think that footballers should be paid less.

We know who the real heroes are. 

Do you vote with your feet on footballers' pay or are you part of the problem?

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make, but every football supporter, whether they watch on TV, or in person, or.who buy tat from the shop are part of the problem. So yes, I am.

I also vote to support the NHS and emergency services with more funding and support people with their demand for improved terms and conditions.

Nothing personal, but it's quite ironic that loyalty to football clubs and the NHS model supports footballers wages and depresses medical wages respectively, but this forum which tends to be gung ho for both is largely miffed by the disparity.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: nigel on July 15, 2023, 06:07:07 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: dave shelley on July 15, 2023, 06:04:47 PM
Quote from: nigel on July 15, 2023, 05:52:50 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 04:19:27 PM
The state school system is so infested with leftists that I pay for my kids to be privately educated. Labour are already talking about lumping more cost on those fees to pay for a service I chose not to use. They have a lot of holidays, don’t work particularly long hours, took a long holiday during Covid whilst I worked all the way through it. Not the slightest bit interested in paying them more.

What a load of shit you speak!!!
My lads a teacher, he worked all through Covid, during the 6 week holiday he works 4 of them preparing for the following term, the other breaks he works several days, again, in preparation for the following term and he also works several evenings a week, at home, on various things.



That's saved me a whole lot of typing Nigel.  My son did something similar, plus organising zoom lessons and spending his day doing it.  He teaches in an 'A' Level college so the kids are keen.  

My daughter is a primary school teacher who is big into inclusion and totally invested in education, not for the pay and not for the holiday's, the usual stick used to beat teachers with.  

I wonder does Ashton realise he's able to read what's going on here because in all probability a teacher taught him to.

👍
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: charlatan on July 15, 2023, 06:09:01 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Monty on July 15, 2023, 04:25:23 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 04:24:13 PM
Quote from: Monty on July 15, 2023, 04:22:09 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 04:19:27 PM
The state school system is so infested with leftists that I pay for my kids to be privately educated. Labour are already talking about lumping more cost on those fees to pay for a service I chose not to use. They have a lot of holidays, don’t work particularly long hours, took a long holiday during Covid whilst I worked all the way through it. Not the slightest bit interested in paying them more.

Quite right! I mean how important to a country's future are [checks notes] children? 

But, as I'm sure you say, you get what you pay for.

#ToriesForDecline

Very important, they deserve better. They won’t get it until teachers spend more time teaching and less time being activists.

If only the left wing hadn't been in charge of the national curriculum for the last decade and a half WAIT HOLD THE FORT NEWS JUST IN
It would be like Scotland?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on July 15, 2023, 06:13:11 PM
			

			

				9 pages of this now? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 15, 2023, 06:14:10 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: coreyfeldman on July 15, 2023, 06:13:11 PM
9 pages of this now? 

I know. Keep going and we'll triple it.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Legion on July 15, 2023, 06:15:27 PM
			

			

				Could we get back to spouting absolute bollocks about transfers, please?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 15, 2023, 06:17:21 PM
			

			

				Transfer Outsider reckons we're in for Rudolf Steiner.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 15, 2023, 06:19:20 PM
			

			

				My mate is a teacher and yesterday had to calm down a kid swinging a cricket bat, shouting his name and threatening to “Do him”. The confrontation ended with the kid being taught how to do a proper forward defensive shot. He’s an excellent teacher.

Teachers deserve a rise.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SamTheMouse on July 15, 2023, 06:22:49 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Monty on July 15, 2023, 04:01:49 PM
Quote from: Risso on July 15, 2023, 03:52:00 PM
Manage what?

To pay frontline medical staff wages commensurate with their job and in line with inflation without ruining it all in tax rises.

https://www.qunomedical.com/en/research/healthcare-salary-index

'The UK invests just £3,257 per capita, 18th in the OECD despite being the fifth largest economy in the world. While hospital nurses, general practitioners and emergency physicians in the UK do earn more than the national average, this does not account for their overtime hours.'

Other countries get more money into the system by having it come from both public and private sources. The UK has a uniquely stupid arrangement where all the private cash stays in the private bit of the system and only benefits the well-off/those desperate enough to spend their life savings on a CAT scan.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Small Rodent on July 15, 2023, 06:22:53 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 15, 2023, 06:17:21 PM
Transfer Outsider reckons we're in for Rudolf Steiner.

I’d prefer Waldorf Montessori.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 15, 2023, 06:25:27 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: SamTheMouse on July 15, 2023, 06:22:49 PM
Quote from: Monty on July 15, 2023, 04:01:49 PM
Quote from: Risso on July 15, 2023, 03:52:00 PM
Manage what?

To pay frontline medical staff wages commensurate with their job and in line with inflation without ruining it all in tax rises.

https://www.qunomedical.com/en/research/healthcare-salary-index

'The UK invests just £3,257 per capita, 18th in the OECD despite being the fifth largest economy in the world. While hospital nurses, general practitioners and emergency physicians in the UK do earn more than the national average, this does not account for their overtime hours.'

Other countries get more money into the system by having it come from both public and private sources. The UK has a uniquely stupid arrangement where all the private cash stays in the private bit of the system and only benefits the well-off/those desperate enough to spend their life savings on a CAT scan.

I really love my cat, but fuck that.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 15, 2023, 06:27:33 PM
			

			

				Percy's cat rumoured to be unsettled. Could it do a job in place of Bailey?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on July 15, 2023, 06:36:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Monty on July 15, 2023, 04:10:16 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 15, 2023, 04:08:01 PM
Wheres the transfer thread?

Ferran , Johnson and Diaby would be a great attacking triumvirate.

Thank God for you FV.

I'm not as enthused by Johnson as some others on here, entirely for the prejudicial and unfair reason that I still regard English players I hadn't heard of until recently as suspicious and probably overpriced.

Johnson is Welsh...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: charlatan on July 15, 2023, 06:41:21 PM
			

			

				and yet born in Nottingham, played for England U16 and U17....
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on July 15, 2023, 06:43:00 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: charlatan on July 15, 2023, 06:41:21 PM
and yet born in Nottingham, played for England U16 and U17....

...plays for Wales.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SamTheMouse on July 15, 2023, 06:44:59 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 15, 2023, 06:19:20 PM
My mate is a teacher and yesterday had to calm down a kid swinging a cricket bat, shouting his name and threatening to “Do him”. The confrontation ended with the kid being taught how to do a proper forward defensive shot. He’s an excellent teacher.

Teachers deserve a rise.

There are certain professions which, let's face, probably do fuck all. I have a mate who consults for companies with huge government contracts (currently in the immigration field, incidentally), and his considered opinion is that many of the people in charge of these outfits are fucking morons who spend their time telling everyone how great they are and covering their arses rather than doing anything of actual value.

Teachers, on the other hand, are the people responsible for ensuring that the next generation don't grow up to be knuckle-dragging neanderthals incapable of keeping a functioning society going and ensuring us lot don't die old and infirm in a puddle of our own piss.

Teaching also looks to me like a fucking rock hard job and I couldn't imagine doing it in a billion years.

So I'd be quite happy to see them paid very generously, although yes I'd still probably whine like a twat about my taxes going up. Like many people, I got an A* in my Cognitive Dissonance GSCE (thanks Mrs Peters).

Anyway. Have we signed Chukwueze yet?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: charlatan on July 15, 2023, 06:46:28 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pablo_picasso on July 15, 2023, 06:43:00 PM
Quote from: charlatan on July 15, 2023, 06:41:21 PM
and yet born in Nottingham, played for England U16 and U17....

...plays for Wales.

which doesn't mean he isn't an English player, rather that he isn't/won't be an England player
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rory on July 15, 2023, 06:50:50 PM
			

			

				The pedantry was meant to have stopped when Legion intervened!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: charlatan on July 15, 2023, 06:58:55 PM
			

			

				well if i'm to take legion literally johnson is qatari....
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 15, 2023, 07:01:11 PM
			

			

				Emi Martinez, anybody rate him? I hear Chelsea are interested and seems cheap at £24m as valued by Transfermarkt.

Seriously, even at £80m I think they'd be getting a bargain, not that I would ever consider selling him.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: passport1 on July 15, 2023, 07:09:38 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: danno on July 15, 2023, 03:56:36 PM
Stays away from politics thread, so it comes to find me. 😫

Depressingly yes 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 15, 2023, 07:13:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: passport1 on July 15, 2023, 07:09:38 PM
Quote from: danno on July 15, 2023, 03:56:36 PM
Stays away from politics thread, so it comes to find me. 😫

Depressingly yes 

What is it about your politics that you don't want to talk about?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on July 15, 2023, 07:15:28 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 15, 2023, 06:19:20 PM
My mate is a teacher and yesterday had to calm down a kid swinging a cricket bat, shouting his name and threatening to “Do him”. The confrontation ended with the kid being taught how to do a proper forward defensive shot. He’s an excellent teacher.

Teachers deserve a rise.
No use in the bazball era 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rory on July 15, 2023, 07:20:56 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 15, 2023, 07:13:17 PM
Quote from: passport1 on July 15, 2023, 07:09:38 PM
Quote from: danno on July 15, 2023, 03:56:36 PM
Stays away from politics thread, so it comes to find me. 😫

Depressingly yes 

What is it about your politics that you don't want to talk about?

Haha, left wing Joseph McCarthy over here.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RamboandBruno on July 15, 2023, 07:25:19 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: charlatan on July 15, 2023, 06:09:01 PM
Quote from: Monty on July 15, 2023, 04:25:23 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 04:24:13 PM
Quote from: Monty on July 15, 2023, 04:22:09 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 04:19:27 PM
The state school system is so infested with leftists that I pay for my kids to be privately educated. Labour are already talking about lumping more cost on those fees to pay for a service I chose not to use. They have a lot of holidays, don’t work particularly long hours, took a long holiday during Covid whilst I worked all the way through it. Not the slightest bit interested in paying them more.

Quite right! I mean how important to a country's future are [checks notes] children? 

But, as I'm sure you say, you get what you pay for.

#ToriesForDecline

Very important, they deserve better. They won’t get it until teachers spend more time teaching and less time being activists.

If only the left wing hadn't been in charge of the national curriculum for the last decade and a half WAIT HOLD THE FORT NEWS JUST IN
It would be like Scotland?

Scotland really hasn’t had a left wing Government for the last decade. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SamTheMouse on July 15, 2023, 07:29:26 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rory on July 15, 2023, 06:50:50 PM
The pedantry was meant to have stopped when Legion intervened!

Sorry. I'm always miles behind the conversation.

BTW, I've been hearing rumours we are interested in signing Mark Draper. 

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 15, 2023, 07:32:37 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 15, 2023, 07:13:17 PM
Quote from: passport1 on July 15, 2023, 07:09:38 PM
Quote from: danno on July 15, 2023, 03:56:36 PM
Stays away from politics thread, so it comes to find me. 😫

Depressingly yes 

What is it about your politics that you don't want to talk about?

I seem to remember finding his username ironic as he voted to make ours much shitter.

Oops! As did you of course SE. Sorry about that.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rory on July 15, 2023, 07:33:01 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: SamTheMouse on July 15, 2023, 07:29:26 PM
Quote from: Rory on July 15, 2023, 06:50:50 PM
The pedantry was meant to have stopped when Legion intervened!

Sorry. I'm always miles behind the conversation.


I didn't mean you 🙂
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RamboandBruno on July 15, 2023, 07:33:02 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: SamTheMouse on July 15, 2023, 07:29:26 PM
Quote from: Rory on July 15, 2023, 06:50:50 PM
The pedantry was meant to have stopped when Legion intervened!

Sorry. I'm always miles behind the conversation.

BTW, I've been hearing rumours we are interested in signing Mark Draper.
And Benni McCarthy
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SamTheMouse on July 15, 2023, 07:35:44 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rory on July 15, 2023, 07:33:01 PM
Quote from: SamTheMouse on July 15, 2023, 07:29:26 PM
Quote from: Rory on July 15, 2023, 06:50:50 PM
The pedantry was meant to have stopped when Legion intervened!

Sorry. I'm always miles behind the conversation.


I didn't mean you 🙂

See what I mean? *muffled sob*
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 15, 2023, 07:36:44 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: SamTheMouse on July 15, 2023, 07:29:26 PM
Sorry. I'm always miles behind the conversation.

BTW, I've been hearing rumours we are interested in signing Mark Draper. 

No transfer spree then, a sure sign we're going to have to cut our cloth accordingly. :(
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SamTheMouse on July 15, 2023, 07:37:53 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on July 15, 2023, 07:36:44 PM
Quote from: SamTheMouse on July 15, 2023, 07:29:26 PM
Sorry. I'm always miles behind the conversation.

BTW, I've been hearing rumours we are interested in signing Mark Draper. 

No transfer spree then, a sure sign we're going to have to cut our cloth accordingly. :(

We can expect to see Neil Taylor back soon, if so.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 07:42:19 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Tom_Mc9? on July 15, 2023, 05:06:03 PM
AshtonVilla, I’m sure your many years working in education have helped you form such an excellent opinion. 

Spent pretty much my whole adult life hanging around universities, have taught both undergrad and post grad, and done PhD supervising. Until about six months ago I had had my offices based in various universities for more than twenty years. I still regularly give guest lectures all over the world.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 15, 2023, 07:42:27 PM
			

			

				How long until PSG come in for Diaby?!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Richard E on July 15, 2023, 07:43:33 PM
			

			

				He’s already played for them so I think he’s exempt from that.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on July 15, 2023, 07:47:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 07:42:19 PM
Quote from: Tom_Mc9? on July 15, 2023, 05:06:03 PM
AshtonVilla, I’m sure your many years working in education have helped you form such an excellent opinion. 

Spent pretty much my whole adult life hanging around universities, have taught both undergrad and post grad, and done PhD supervising. Until about six months ago I had had my offices based in various universities for more than twenty years. I still regularly give guest lectures all over the world.

I think you're right about pro ate education. I mean, look at the calibre of Boris Johnson as a prime example.

Do you lecture only to students from privately educated backgrounds or are you happy to be paid to lecture people who've managed to get through the shit state system too? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RamboandBruno on July 15, 2023, 07:50:19 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on July 15, 2023, 07:47:17 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 07:42:19 PM
Quote from: Tom_Mc9? on July 15, 2023, 05:06:03 PM
AshtonVilla, I’m sure your many years working in education have helped you form such an excellent opinion. 

Spent pretty much my whole adult life hanging around universities, have taught both undergrad and post grad, and done PhD supervising. Until about six months ago I had had my offices based in various universities for more than twenty years. I still regularly give guest lectures all over the world.

I think you're right about pro ate education. I mean, look at the calibre of Boris Johnson as a prime example.

Do you lecture only to students from privately educated backgrounds or are you happy to be paid to lecture people who've managed to get through the shit state system too?

Those scummy kids that chose to uptake the service of state education have been taught by a bunch of rabid far left activists remember. Surely unteachable in HE. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 07:53:55 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on July 15, 2023, 05:17:34 PM
Ashtonvilla, did you have your sense of empathy removed via the NHS or did you go private?

i am autistic, and have a low level of empathy compared to most.

The last couple of times I tried to use the NHS I gave up and went private. But no I do not have permanent private health care, I use it ad hoc. In principle I fully support universal healthcare, but in practice the NHS is a masterclass in how not to deliver value. Needs root and branch reform.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 07:57:55 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on July 15, 2023, 07:47:17 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 07:42:19 PM
Quote from: Tom_Mc9? on July 15, 2023, 05:06:03 PM
AshtonVilla, I’m sure your many years working in education have helped you form such an excellent opinion. 

Spent pretty much my whole adult life hanging around universities, have taught both undergrad and post grad, and done PhD supervising. Until about six months ago I had had my offices based in various universities for more than twenty years. I still regularly give guest lectures all over the world.

I think you're right about pro ate education. I mean, look at the calibre of Boris Johnson as a prime example.

Do you lecture only to students from privately educated backgrounds or are you happy to be paid to lecture people who've managed to get through the shit state system too? 

I went to a shit comprehensive myself, most of the teachers were worse than useless. Spent most of the time in library avoiding getting my head kicked in and teaching myself.

I have never been paid for teaching, have always done so voluntarily or in exchange for using lab facilities and the library for literature searching. I see it as way of encouraging interest in my particular discipline.

I am currently funding a PhD and a masters in South Africa for people that would otherwise have not been able to study one. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on July 15, 2023, 08:00:44 PM
			

			

				Yep and that’s rubbish - it doesn’t mean all teachers are shit though.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Astnor on July 15, 2023, 08:01:15 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 07:53:55 PM
Quote from: LeeB on July 15, 2023, 05:17:34 PM
Ashtonvilla, did you have your sense of empathy removed via the NHS or did you go private?

i am autistic, and have a low level of empathy compared to most.

The last couple of times I tried to use the NHS I gave up and went private. But no I do not have permanent private health care, I use it ad hoc. In principle I fully support universal healthcare, but in practice the NHS is a masterclass in how not to deliver value. Needs root and branch reform.
As you are autistic it make sense then that yours perspectives on matters differ from most of others on here.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 15, 2023, 08:04:05 PM
			

			

				I'll ask my autistic nephew what he thinks of, the frankly great, teachers he has. I'm sure it'll be different.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 08:08:29 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 15, 2023, 08:00:44 PM
Yep and that’s rubbish - it doesn’t mean all teachers are shit though.

I don't think they are, it's very patchy. My sister teaches at a primary school, she takes it very seriously. Some of her colleagues less so.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 08:16:24 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on July 15, 2023, 08:04:05 PM
I'll ask my autistic nephew what he thinks of, the frankly great, teachers he has. I'm sure it'll be different.

Yeah because all autistic people are the same. Think about how that sounds applied to any other group.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 15, 2023, 08:21:22 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: SamTheMouse on July 15, 2023, 07:37:53 PM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on July 15, 2023, 07:36:44 PM
Quote from: SamTheMouse on July 15, 2023, 07:29:26 PM
Sorry. I'm always miles behind the conversation.

BTW, I've been hearing rumours we are interested in signing Mark Draper. 

No transfer spree then, a sure sign we're going to have to cut our cloth accordingly. :(

We can expect to see Neil Taylor back soon, if so.

Still plenty of needle in this thread as well.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 15, 2023, 08:24:11 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 08:16:24 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on July 15, 2023, 08:04:05 PM
I'll ask my autistic nephew what he thinks of, the frankly great, teachers he has. I'm sure it'll be different.

Yeah because all autistic people are the same. Think about how that sounds applied to any other group.

Yeah because that's clearly what I think because I haven't spent multiple hours with him and loads of other autistic kids, sure. I'm absolutely sure it'll be different because I know how great his teachers are.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on July 15, 2023, 08:27:49 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 08:16:24 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on July 15, 2023, 08:04:05 PM
I'll ask my autistic nephew what he thinks of, the frankly great, teachers he has. I'm sure it'll be different.

Yeah because all autistic people are the same. Think about how that sounds applied to any other group.

like lefties?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: trinityoap on July 15, 2023, 08:27:59 PM
			

			

				Could I suggest some people switch to the politics thread for this conversation?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: CT Villan on July 15, 2023, 08:29:52 PM
			

			

				In the interests of getting things back on topic...

Can someone tell me who Dan Bardell is ?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 15, 2023, 08:33:04 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: CT Villan on July 15, 2023, 08:29:52 PM
In the interests of getting things back on topic...

Can someone tell me who Dan Bardell is ?

He was my home economics teacher. All we ever made was quiche, quinoa and vegan sausage rolls. I'll tell you what though, we owned the means of production.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Richard E on July 15, 2023, 08:38:04 PM
			

			

				Dan Bardell has pet bunnies, like me and Mrs E, so I’ll never knock him.

By which I mean, as do me and Mrs E. We aren’t examples of, nor do we resemble, his pet bunnies.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 08:39:07 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on July 15, 2023, 08:27:49 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 08:16:24 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on July 15, 2023, 08:04:05 PM
I'll ask my autistic nephew what he thinks of, the frankly great, teachers he has. I'm sure it'll be different.

Yeah because all autistic people are the same. Think about how that sounds applied to any other group.

like lefties?

Grouping someone by their beliefs being similar is self evidently sensible. Grouping people by their appearance, race, nationality etc and attributing similar beliefs is self evidently not.

In any event edgy clarified he did not mean that, and I apologise to him for the comment.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 08:45:11 PM
			

			

				Back on topic.

Do Welsh players count as home grown? Or are they treated the same as say French players from a European game squad perspective?

Just wondering if we sign Johnson how it works. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on July 15, 2023, 08:48:22 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 08:39:07 PM
Quote from: paul_e on July 15, 2023, 08:27:49 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 08:16:24 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on July 15, 2023, 08:04:05 PM
I'll ask my autistic nephew what he thinks of, the frankly great, teachers he has. I'm sure it'll be different.

Yeah because all autistic people are the same. Think about how that sounds applied to any other group.

like lefties?

Grouping someone by their beliefs being similar is self evidently sensible. Grouping people by their appearance, race, nationality etc and attributing similar beliefs is self evidently not.

In any event edgy clarified he did not mean that, and I apologise to him for the comment.

You don't know much about the notoriously fractious left in British politics do you? Either way grouping people for any reason is shit when you're doing it to other them as an infestation as if they're some sort of vermin to be removed.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 15, 2023, 08:50:42 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on July 15, 2023, 08:48:22 PM
Either way grouping people for any reason is shit when you're doing it to other them as an infestation as if they're some sort of vermin to be removed.

Totally agree.

With the exception of 'Brummie Reds'.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on July 15, 2023, 08:53:09 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: charlatan on July 15, 2023, 06:46:28 PM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on July 15, 2023, 06:43:00 PM
Quote from: charlatan on July 15, 2023, 06:41:21 PM
and yet born in Nottingham, played for England U16 and U17....

...plays for Wales.

which doesn't mean he isn't an English player, rather that he isn't/won't be an England player

Yes, because he chose to play for the Welsh national side... 🤨
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 15, 2023, 08:59:01 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 08:45:11 PM
Back on topic.

Do Welsh players count as home grown? Or are they treated the same as say French players from a European game squad perspective?

Just wondering if we sign Johnson how it works.

I was looking this up the other day. Welsh count, Scottish don't. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Small Rodent on July 15, 2023, 09:04:12 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 15, 2023, 08:59:01 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 08:45:11 PM
Back on topic.

Do Welsh players count as home grown? Or are they treated the same as say French players from a European game squad perspective?

Just wondering if we sign Johnson how it works.

I was looking this up the other day. Welsh count, Scottish don't.

Interesting. I suppose some Welsh teams okay in the English FA Cup so…
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 15, 2023, 09:06:04 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: CT Villan on July 15, 2023, 08:29:52 PM
In the interests of getting things back on topic...

Can someone tell me who Dan Bardell is ?

Sure.

He's an autistic, lazy leftist teacher, who is English but pretends to be Welsh, he runs a Word Salad bar in Islington on the snide, as he's actually fully employed by a junior doctor in the NHS. 

And he stamps on baby rabbits.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 15, 2023, 09:06:57 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Small Rodent on July 15, 2023, 09:04:12 PM
Quote from: AV84 on July 15, 2023, 08:59:01 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 08:45:11 PM
Back on topic.

Do Welsh players count as home grown? Or are they treated the same as say French players from a European game squad perspective?

Just wondering if we sign Johnson how it works.

I was looking this up the other day. Welsh count, Scottish don't.

Interesting. I suppose some Welsh teams okay in the English FA Cup so…

They don't have a proper league, whereas Scotland traditionally has (I know, I know) so there's a distinguishing factor.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 15, 2023, 09:07:42 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Small Rodent on July 15, 2023, 09:04:12 PM
Quote from: AV84 on July 15, 2023, 08:59:01 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 08:45:11 PM
Back on topic.

Do Welsh players count as home grown? Or are they treated the same as say French players from a European game squad perspective?

Just wondering if we sign Johnson how it works.

I was looking this up the other day. Welsh count, Scottish don't.

Interesting. I suppose some Welsh teams okay in the English FA Cup so…

Swansea and Cardiff City both been in the Prem too. Various others in the Championship and other leagues too. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 15, 2023, 09:10:56 PM
			

			

				First time looking at this today and there’s quite a few pages added. If it’s another discussion about United, City or Town I won’t be angry, just disappointed! 
Anyway off to start reading 10 or so pages back.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Chico Hamilton III on July 15, 2023, 09:11:14 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Small Rodent on July 15, 2023, 09:04:12 PM
Quote from: AV84 on July 15, 2023, 08:59:01 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 08:45:11 PM
Back on topic.

Do Welsh players count as home grown? Or are they treated the same as say French players from a European game squad perspective?

Just wondering if we sign Johnson how it works.

I was looking this up the other day. Welsh count, Scottish don't.

Interesting. I suppose some Welsh teams okay in the English FA Cup so…

The Welsh Cup was mad. Welsh teams who played in the English league were not allowed to enter the tournament but English non league sides were allowed to compete but if they won they weren’t allowed to progress to the UEFA Cup Winners’ Cup, it would have to be given to a Welsh team. Or something like that. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rory on July 15, 2023, 09:11:33 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 15, 2023, 09:10:56 PM
First time looking at this today and there’s quite a few pages added. If it’s another discussion about United, City or Town I won’t be angry, just disappointed! 
Anyway off to start reading 10 or so pages back.

I wouldn't.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 15, 2023, 09:12:43 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rory on July 15, 2023, 09:11:33 PM
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 15, 2023, 09:10:56 PM
First time looking at this today and there’s quite a few pages added. If it’s another discussion about United, City or Town I won’t be angry, just disappointed! 
Anyway off to start reading 10 or so pages back.

I wouldn't.

Ha ha, no, nor would I.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on July 15, 2023, 09:13:25 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rory on July 15, 2023, 09:11:33 PM
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 15, 2023, 09:10:56 PM
First time looking at this today and there’s quite a few pages added. If it’s another discussion about United, City or Town I won’t be angry, just disappointed! 
Anyway off to start reading 10 or so pages back.

I wouldn't.

And for the love of god don’t reply to something!  :'(
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 15, 2023, 09:13:45 PM
			

			

				Imagine how many pages will get added if we sign Diaby and Johnson!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 15, 2023, 09:13:58 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 15, 2023, 09:13:25 PM
Quote from: Rory on July 15, 2023, 09:11:33 PM
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 15, 2023, 09:10:56 PM
First time looking at this today and there’s quite a few pages added. If it’s another discussion about United, City or Town I won’t be angry, just disappointed! 
Anyway off to start reading 10 or so pages back.

I wouldn't.

And for the love of god don’t reply to something!  :'(

Also, I hope he's not a teacher.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dave.woodhall on July 15, 2023, 09:15:13 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on July 15, 2023, 09:11:14 PM
Quote from: Small Rodent on July 15, 2023, 09:04:12 PM
Quote from: AV84 on July 15, 2023, 08:59:01 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 08:45:11 PM
Back on topic.

Do Welsh players count as home grown? Or are they treated the same as say French players from a European game squad perspective?

Just wondering if we sign Johnson how it works.

I was looking this up the other day. Welsh count, Scottish don't.

Interesting. I suppose some Welsh teams okay in the English FA Cup so…

The Welsh Cup was mad. Welsh teams who played in the English league were not allowed to enter the tournament but English non league sides were allowed to compete but if they won they weren’t allowed to progress to the UEFA Cup Winners’ Cup, it would have to be given to a Welsh team. Or something like that. 

Welsh Football League teams could play in it. Manchester United played Wrexham in the Cup Winners Cup. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on July 15, 2023, 09:15:30 PM
			

			

				Sound advice, the last 10 pages wouldn't have happened had the sun been shining and car washing was an option.

IMO.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bad English on July 15, 2023, 09:16:02 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 15, 2023, 09:13:25 PM
Quote from: Rory on July 15, 2023, 09:11:33 PM
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 15, 2023, 09:10:56 PM
First time looking at this today and there’s quite a few pages added. If it’s another discussion about United, City or Town I won’t be angry, just disappointed! 
Anyway off to start reading 10 or so pages back.

I wouldn't.

And for the love of god don’t reply to something!  :'(
We are all united there.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 15, 2023, 09:17:23 PM
			

			

				On the bright side, at least we haven't done anything as cringey as that Arsenal Fan TV Declan Rice thing.

Truly fucking terrible.

https://twitter.com/AFTVMedia/status/1680187333398740993?s=20

Honestly, what is wrong with Arsenal fans?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Chico Hamilton III on July 15, 2023, 09:17:39 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 15, 2023, 09:15:13 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on July 15, 2023, 09:11:14 PM
Quote from: Small Rodent on July 15, 2023, 09:04:12 PM
Quote from: AV84 on July 15, 2023, 08:59:01 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 08:45:11 PM
Back on topic.

Do Welsh players count as home grown? Or are they treated the same as say French players from a European game squad perspective?

Just wondering if we sign Johnson how it works.

I was looking this up the other day. Welsh count, Scottish don't.

Interesting. I suppose some Welsh teams okay in the English FA Cup so…

The Welsh Cup was mad. Welsh teams who played in the English league were not allowed to enter the tournament but English non league sides were allowed to compete but if they won they weren’t allowed to progress to the UEFA Cup Winners’ Cup, it would have to be given to a Welsh team. Or something like that. 

Welsh Football League teams could play in it. Manchester United played Wrexham in the Cup Winners Cup. 

Yeah, you’re right. I remember Stourbridge reached the final in the 70’s and played Cardiff. I think the bit about the English winners not being able to qualify for Europe is right though 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bad English on July 15, 2023, 09:19:11 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 15, 2023, 09:17:23 PM
On the bright side, at least we haven't done anything as cringey as that Arsenal Fan TV Declan Rice thing.


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: UK Redsox on July 15, 2023, 09:19:34 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 15, 2023, 09:06:57 PM
Quote from: Small Rodent on July 15, 2023, 09:04:12 PM
Quote from: AV84 on July 15, 2023, 08:59:01 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 08:45:11 PM
Back on topic.

Do Welsh players count as home grown? Or are they treated the same as say French players from a European game squad perspective?

Just wondering if we sign Johnson how it works.

I was looking this up the other day. Welsh count, Scottish don't.

Interesting. I suppose some Welsh teams okay in the English FA Cup so…

They don't have a proper league, whereas Scotland traditionally has (I know, I know) so there's a distinguishing factor.

Why do you say that Wales doesn’t have a proper League ?

Just because a handful of Welsh clubs play in the English system doesn’t mean that the Welsh league isn’t valid. It still gains qualification for Europe 


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 15, 2023, 09:21:41 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: UK Redsox on July 15, 2023, 09:19:34 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 15, 2023, 09:06:57 PM
Quote from: Small Rodent on July 15, 2023, 09:04:12 PM
Quote from: AV84 on July 15, 2023, 08:59:01 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 08:45:11 PM
Back on topic.

Do Welsh players count as home grown? Or are they treated the same as say French players from a European game squad perspective?

Just wondering if we sign Johnson how it works.

I was looking this up the other day. Welsh count, Scottish don't.

Interesting. I suppose some Welsh teams okay in the English FA Cup so…

They don't have a proper league, whereas Scotland traditionally has (I know, I know) so there's a distinguishing factor.

Why do you say that Wales doesn’t have a proper League ?

Just because a handful of Welsh clubs play in the English system doesn’t mean that the Welsh league isn’t valid. It still gains qualification for Europe 



I think it might be a bit of a historic thing. Scotland and England were always considered seperate for football matters whereas Wales, if it does have a league, is so small as to be not worth excluding or identifying for the purposes of player development.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RamboandBruno on July 15, 2023, 09:23:16 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on July 15, 2023, 09:15:30 PM
Sound advice, the last 10 pages wouldn't have happened had the sun been shining and car washing was an option.

IMO.

I think this is very true. My pre season boredom factor has been largely alleviated by good weather and drinking with it….the drudgery factor has been off the richter scale today, the whole thing can’t start back quick enough now. 
And f**k the tories, goodnight
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Tom_Mc9? on July 15, 2023, 09:28:25 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 07:42:19 PM
Quote from: Tom_Mc9? on July 15, 2023, 05:06:03 PM
AshtonVilla, I’m sure your many years working in education have helped you form such an excellent opinion. 

Spent pretty much my whole adult life hanging around universities, have taught both undergrad and post grad, and done PhD supervising. Until about six months ago I had had my offices based in various universities for more than twenty years. I still regularly give guest lectures all over the world.

Not schools then. It’s very easy to pontificate from an outside position. However, it sometimes only goes to highlight your ignorance.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Tom_Mc9? on July 15, 2023, 09:29:40 PM
			

			

				In fact ignore. I’d rather talk about Villa. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 15, 2023, 09:41:55 PM
			

			

				pages galore 

thought we was signing someone tonight 

oh well  back to watching Still Game 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 15, 2023, 09:43:29 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bad English on July 15, 2023, 09:19:11 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 15, 2023, 09:17:23 PM
On the bright side, at least we haven't done anything as cringey as that Arsenal Fan TV Declan Rice thing.





			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 09:45:43 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Tom_Mc9? on July 15, 2023, 09:28:25 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 07:42:19 PM
Quote from: Tom_Mc9? on July 15, 2023, 05:06:03 PM
AshtonVilla, I’m sure your many years working in education have helped you form such an excellent opinion. 

Spent pretty much my whole adult life hanging around universities, have taught both undergrad and post grad, and done PhD supervising. Until about six months ago I had had my offices based in various universities for more than twenty years. I still regularly give guest lectures all over the world.

Not schools then. It’s very easy to pontificate from an outside position. However, it sometimes only goes to highlight your ignorance.

I have five children, the first three of which went through the state system. My sister is a teacher. My ex wife is a teaching assistant and a former teacher. My eldest daughter works in an FE college. I'd say I have more experience of it than most.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bad English on July 15, 2023, 09:48:15 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 15, 2023, 09:43:29 PM
Quote from: Bad English on July 15, 2023, 09:19:11 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 15, 2023, 09:17:23 PM
On the bright side, at least we haven't done anything as cringey as that Arsenal Fan TV Declan Rice thing.







			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 15, 2023, 09:49:28 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 15, 2023, 09:12:43 PM
Quote from: Rory on July 15, 2023, 09:11:33 PM
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 15, 2023, 09:10:56 PM
First time looking at this today and there’s quite a few pages added. If it’s another discussion about United, City or Town I won’t be angry, just disappointed! 
Anyway off to start reading 10 or so pages back.

I wouldn't.

Ha ha, no, nor would I.

Content was a bit disappointing, transfer wise, but not unexpected.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Exeter 77 on July 15, 2023, 09:52:10 PM
			

			

				On the Welsh clubs who play in the English system. I think they are classed as 'English' clubs by UEFA because Swansea, slightly bizarrely, represented England in the Europa League when they won the League Cup.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 15, 2023, 09:52:31 PM
			

			

				Need more classics like this (on claret & blue vinyl).


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 15, 2023, 09:53:35 PM
			

			

				Not forgetting the B-side. 8)


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bad English on July 15, 2023, 09:54:28 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 09:45:43 PM
Quote from: Tom_Mc9? on July 15, 2023, 09:28:25 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 07:42:19 PM
Quote from: Tom_Mc9? on July 15, 2023, 05:06:03 PM
AshtonVilla, I’m sure your many years working in education have helped you form such an excellent opinion. 

Spent pretty much my whole adult life hanging around universities, have taught both undergrad and post grad, and done PhD supervising. Until about six months ago I had had my offices based in various universities for more than twenty years. I still regularly give guest lectures all over the world.

Not schools then. It’s very easy to pontificate from an outside position. However, it sometimes only goes to highlight your ignorance.

I have five children, the first three of which went through the state system. My sister is a teacher. My ex wife is a teaching assistant and a former teacher. My eldest daughter works in an FE college. I'd say I have more experience of it than most.
I eat cereal every day. Gizza job!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 15, 2023, 09:57:43 PM
			

			

				I went to school.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 09:59:09 PM
			

			

				Leftist word salad
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Astnor on July 15, 2023, 10:00:28 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on July 15, 2023, 09:53:35 PM
Not forgetting the B-side. 8)


Thanx for the youtube videos, great fun. Of the five posted I would say this one is the least embarrassing. :)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Exeter 77 on July 15, 2023, 10:03:25 PM
			

			

				And on the teacher thing. A few years ago when Mrs. Exeter (a primary teacher for the uninformed) was working even more ridiculous hours than normal I did a quick calculation taking into account what she did during the week, weekends and holidays and worked out that her hourly rate was less than minimum wage. And if anything I under-counted the hours she worked.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on July 15, 2023, 10:05:00 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 09:59:09 PM
Leftist word salad

It's the b-side to African car reverser 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 15, 2023, 10:06:28 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 09:59:09 PM
Leftist word salad

As you hang around universities (as I did for four years, but I was supposed to be there), you'll know that 'leftist word salad' is an anagram of 'weftist lord dalas'. Food for thought.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Chico Hamilton III on July 15, 2023, 10:08:57 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on July 15, 2023, 09:52:31 PM
Need more classics like this (on claret & blue vinyl).



I’ve got the single. I’ve also got “ Hey Aston Villa” and “ We’re Going Up”. Classics.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 15, 2023, 10:10:20 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on July 15, 2023, 09:52:31 PM
Need more classics like this (on claret & blue vinyl).



Absolute classic, always reminds me of the journey up to Ewood Park for the first leg of the league cup semi final. Great lads, great away trip and great result.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 15, 2023, 10:11:57 PM
			

			

				Al-Ahli are likely to sign Riyad Mahrez. He would be a wonderful addition to our attack and there arent many better than him other than Salah and Saka playing right wing cutting in. One of the best wingers in recent Premier league seasons over the last 5 or 6 years. 




			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on July 15, 2023, 10:12:19 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 09:59:09 PM
Leftist word salad

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-intellectualism
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 15, 2023, 10:17:05 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 15, 2023, 10:11:57 PM
Al-Ahli are likely to sign Riyad Mahrez. He would be a wonderful addition to our attack and there arent many better than him other than Salah and Saka playing right wing cutting in. One of the best wingers in recent Premier league seasons over the last 5 or 6 years. 





I doubt we could afford him if the Saudis are after him.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 15, 2023, 10:17:07 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on July 15, 2023, 10:08:57 PM
I’ve got the single. I’ve also got “ Hey Aston Villa” and “ We’re Going Up”. Classics.

Yeah, I've still got the single as well, but not the other two. As BNS says, a reminder of some good times.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 10:17:35 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on July 15, 2023, 10:12:19 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 09:59:09 PM
Leftist word salad

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-intellectualism

On the contrary, I am pro intellectualist. Universities are being systematically stripped of academic rigour and elitism. I once got told I was not allowed to give such low marks, as the students pay a lot of money. 

Universities should be like the premier league - completely focussed on being the best at each discipline and completely oblivious to race, gender, sexuality, religion, politics and background as much as possible. the hard left is anti - reality.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Chris Smith on July 15, 2023, 10:21:25 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on July 15, 2023, 09:53:35 PM
Not forgetting the B-side. 8)



There’s a bloke who sits a few rows behind us in the Lower Holte who belts this out a few times a season. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 15, 2023, 10:21:31 PM
			

			

				You were marking papers and not being paid? 

OK.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 15, 2023, 10:23:20 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 15, 2023, 10:17:05 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 15, 2023, 10:11:57 PM
Al-Ahli are likely to sign Riyad Mahrez. He would be a wonderful addition to our attack and there arent many better than him other than Salah and Saka playing right wing cutting in. One of the best wingers in recent Premier league seasons over the last 5 or 6 years. 





I doubt we could afford him if the Saudis are after him.
True they are one of the Saudis Sports investment project clubs.
Gerrards  moved to Ettifaq who are not one of the 4 clubs and he is looking for Henderson but they aren't so forthcoming with fees.

I see Al Hilal pulled a major coup with Ruben Neves.


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Astnor on July 15, 2023, 10:27:04 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 15, 2023, 10:23:20 PM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 15, 2023, 10:17:05 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 15, 2023, 10:11:57 PM
Al-Ahli are likely to sign Riyad Mahrez. He would be a wonderful addition to our attack and there arent many better than him other than Salah and Saka playing right wing cutting in. One of the best wingers in recent Premier league seasons over the last 5 or 6 years. 





I doubt we could afford him if the Saudis are after him.
True they are one of the Saudis Sports investment project clubs.
Gerrards  moved to Ettifaq who are not one of the 4 clubs and he is looking for Henderson but they aren't so forthcoming with fees.

I see Al Hilal pulled a major coup with Ruben Neves.
What about Fabinho going to the Saudis - theres  stories, will be a big blow to Liverpool
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 10:30:12 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 15, 2023, 10:21:31 PM
You were marking papers and not being paid? 

OK.

Yes.

Obviously not full time. I got office space and lab access and did some teaching gratis. I have ever been a full time academic, but have always had to find ways to access the facilities for my research.

Edit.

To further clarify, at the time I was prohibited form working for a couple of years due to a clause in my contract when I was forced out of a listed company I founded. I was in a legal battle, and going through a divorce. The university gave me some space and lab access, I did some teaching. But I still give guest lectures all over the place gratis, I enjoy teaching as I have a great love of my subject.

This is not unusual, one of the professors I know at that university carried on teaching for free for six years after he retired.

I do a lot of teaching still, and never charge even if I have to mark stuff or spend time with students. I couldn't do it as an only source of income, but am happy to chip in. If I wanted an academic career I could get one, same as if I wanted to earn a lot I would have a queue of multinationals lined up. I just like doing my own thing, and have been lucky enough to self fund through my business efforts for the most part.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AlexAlexCropley on July 15, 2023, 10:31:36 PM
			

			

				Sigh 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 15, 2023, 10:34:07 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bad English on July 15, 2023, 09:19:11 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 15, 2023, 09:17:23 PM
On the bright side, at least we haven't done anything as cringey as that Arsenal Fan TV Declan Rice thing.





Just nearly cringed myself inside out.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bad English on July 15, 2023, 10:36:17 PM
			

			

				Plus you've just plastered Percy's mug into a post.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 15, 2023, 10:37:30 PM
			

			

				Ha ha ha yeah. 

TBF that was quite cringey. What the fuck were you thinking, Perce?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 15, 2023, 10:40:16 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Astnor on July 15, 2023, 10:27:04 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 15, 2023, 10:23:20 PM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 15, 2023, 10:17:05 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 15, 2023, 10:11:57 PM
Al-Ahli are likely to sign Riyad Mahrez. He would be a wonderful addition to our attack and there arent many better than him other than Salah and Saka playing right wing cutting in. One of the best wingers in recent Premier league seasons over the last 5 or 6 years. 





I doubt we could afford him if the Saudis are after him.
True they are one of the Saudis Sports investment project clubs.
Gerrards  moved to Ettifaq who are not one of the 4 clubs and he is looking for Henderson but they aren't so forthcoming with fees.

I see Al Hilal pulled a major coup with Ruben Neves.
What about Fabinho going to the Saudis - theres  stories, will be a big blow to Liverpool
Firmino got there 
Yeah and maybe Henderson too.
Liverpool are on a whole rebuild of midfield.
There's a chance here for Villa with Chelsea Spurs and Liverpool in transition. I also have my doubts on Man City hitting the same heights and somewhat transition too and seem some players are wanting to move on.

Definitely think have to attack this Transfer market and really get 4 more high quality players into the squad.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RamboandBruno on July 15, 2023, 10:44:44 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 10:17:35 PM
Quote from: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on July 15, 2023, 10:12:19 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 09:59:09 PM
Leftist word salad

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-intellectualism

On the contrary, I am pro intellectualist. Universities are being systematically stripped of academic rigour and elitism. I once got told I was not allowed to give such low marks, as the students pay a lot of money. 

Universities should be like the premier league - completely focussed on being the best at each discipline and completely oblivious to race, gender, sexuality, religion, politics and background as much as possible. the hard left is anti - reality.

How can universities be oblivious to race, background etc etc, when most students  come out of it with 40k plus of debt, a far less worrying figure if your from a privileged background in the first place. Lots and lots of working class kids are put off going as they couldn’t contemplate that debt, is that the reality your talking about??? You come from from a seemingly horrible internalised world. 

Anyway fuck it i really am ducking out of this insight into your world mister, i’ll leave you to your thoughts of exterminating the vermin infesting our schools. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Small Rodent on July 15, 2023, 10:49:28 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 15, 2023, 10:40:16 PM

Firmino got there 
Yeah and maybe Henderson too.
Liverpool are on a whole rebuild of midfield.
There's a chance here for Villa with Chelsea Spurs and Liverpool in transition. I also have my doubts on Man City hitting the same heights and somewhat transition too and seem some players are wanting to move on.

Definitely think have to attack this Transfer market and really get 4 more high quality players into the squad.

Your last paragraph is spot on and exactly how we should be planning. If we don’t get our targets, at least we tried. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on July 15, 2023, 11:03:52 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 15, 2023, 09:13:45 PM
Imagine how many pages will get added if we sign Diaby and Johnson!

The lefties would lose their shit if Johnson got any sort of deal. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Small Rodent on July 15, 2023, 11:22:32 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on July 15, 2023, 11:03:52 PM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 15, 2023, 09:13:45 PM
Imagine how many pages will get added if we sign Diaby and Johnson!

The lefties would lose their shit if Johnson got any sort of deal.

I’m angry already at the very thought!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 11:36:08 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: RamboandBruno on July 15, 2023, 10:44:44 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 10:17:35 PM
Quote from: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on July 15, 2023, 10:12:19 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 09:59:09 PM
Leftist word salad

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-intellectualism

On the contrary, I am pro intellectualist. Universities are being systematically stripped of academic rigour and elitism. I once got told I was not allowed to give such low marks, as the students pay a lot of money. 

Universities should be like the premier league - completely focussed on being the best at each discipline and completely oblivious to race, gender, sexuality, religion, politics and background as much as possible. the hard left is anti - reality.

How can universities be oblivious to race, background etc etc, when most students  come out of it with 40k plus of debt, a far less worrying figure if your from a privileged background in the first place. Lots and lots of working class kids are put off going as they couldn’t contemplate that debt, is that the reality your talking about??? You come from from a seemingly horrible internalised world. 

Anyway fuck it i really am ducking out of this insight into your world mister, i’ll leave you to your thoughts of exterminating the vermin infesting our schools. 

Leftist word salad.

I absolutely do not agree with the current student loan system. We need less places at university, fully funded for lower income family's. Well off people should fund it for their own kids though. Well off kids not good enough I would not let in. I am a true elitist.

Too many people go to university, standards have been diluted. Historically they have been too middle class. Both not linked.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 15, 2023, 11:43:34 PM
			

			

				West Ham being linked with Harry Maguire now. Can't believe we're going to let that one slip between our fingers.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smoke on July 15, 2023, 11:44:17 PM
			

			

				There's some real nasty posters on this site who jump into bullying/harassment mode really fast whenever someone behaves differently (footy seems to kop the most of this) 
Or when someones world view/politics is different (Ashton is getting it today) 
Then theres the whole labour vs tory stuff. Which seems to get shoe horned in whereever possible.

You guys may find it amusing but personally it makes me feel uncomfortable reading through the bullying whenever it occurs. 

Even if in your view the person you're being a dick is in your view more of a dick. You're still being a dick. 

Just let people be for fucks sake. 

(I'm aware I may be the only person getting fed up with all this, still. I felt strongly enough to bother posting this!) 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on July 15, 2023, 11:44:38 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 11:36:08 PM
Quote from: RamboandBruno on July 15, 2023, 10:44:44 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 10:17:35 PM
Quote from: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on July 15, 2023, 10:12:19 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 09:59:09 PM
Leftist word salad

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-intellectualism

On the contrary, I am pro intellectualist. Universities are being systematically stripped of academic rigour and elitism. I once got told I was not allowed to give such low marks, as the students pay a lot of money. 

Universities should be like the premier league - completely focussed on being the best at each discipline and completely oblivious to race, gender, sexuality, religion, politics and background as much as possible. the hard left is anti - reality.

How can universities be oblivious to race, background etc etc, when most students  come out of it with 40k plus of debt, a far less worrying figure if your from a privileged background in the first place. Lots and lots of working class kids are put off going as they couldn’t contemplate that debt, is that the reality your talking about??? You come from from a seemingly horrible internalised world. 

Anyway fuck it i really am ducking out of this insight into your world mister, i’ll leave you to your thoughts of exterminating the vermin infesting our schools. 

Leftist word salad.

I absolutely do not agree with the current student loan system. We need less places at university, fully funded for lower income family's. Well off people should fund it for their own kids though. Well off kids not good enough I would not let in. I am a true elitist.

Too many people go to university, standards have been diluted. Historically they have been too middle class. Both not linked.

Every time you write that it means less and makes you look worse, it's basically 'my dad is bigger than your dad' at this point. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 15, 2023, 11:46:15 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 11:36:08 PM
Too many people go to university, standards have been diluted.

This I agree with.

That's a Blair thing. "Everyone should have the chance to go to university". Yes, I agree with that, but it should be "everyone who is bright enough should have the opportunity to go to university", ie about equality of opportunity.

Rather than just shovelling absolutely anyone who fancies getting a degree through three years of having their pulse checked just to check they're still alive and then giving them a degree at the end of it.

Oh, and tihs is where we won't agree, and I say this as someone who got sent to a fee-paying school, equality of opportunity means not having a ridiculously socially skewed school system like we have now.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 11:48:45 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 15, 2023, 11:46:15 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2023, 11:36:08 PM
Too many people go to university, standards have been diluted.

This I agree with.

That's a Blair thing. "Everyone should have the chance to go to university". Yes, I agree with that, but it should be "everyone who is bright enough should have the opportunity to go to university", ie about equality of opportunity.

Rather than just shovelling absolutely anyone who fancies getting a degree through three years of having their pulse checked just to check they're still alive and then giving them a degree at the end of it.

Oh, and tihs is where we won't agree, and I say this as someone who got sent to a fee-paying school, equality of opportunity means not having a ridiculously socially skewed school system like we have now.

We agree completely on this.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on July 15, 2023, 11:53:20 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smoke on July 15, 2023, 11:44:17 PM
There's some real nasty posters on this site who jump into bullying/harassment mode really fast whenever someone behaves differently (footy seems to kop the most of this) 
Or when someones world view/politics is different (Ashton is getting it today) 
Then theres the whole labour vs tory stuff. Which seems to get shoe horned in whereever possible.

You guys may find it amusing but personally it makes me feel uncomfortable reading through the bullying whenever it occurs. 

Even if in your view the person you're being a dick is in your view more of a dick. You're still being a dick. 

Just let people be for fucks sake. 

(I'm aware I may be the only person getting fed up with all this, still. I felt strongly enough to bother posting this!) 

I'm not sure you fully understand the point of a forum, disagreeing is pretty important. Most of the time when people cry bullying it's nothing of the sort, it's lots of people individually disagreeing with the same post/poster for largely the same reasons.

Ashton is getting some shit today for describing teachers in the sort of language that has bene reserved for immigrants for the last decade and then doubling and tripling down on it, not because people are bullying him.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 16, 2023, 12:13:08 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on July 15, 2023, 11:44:38 PM
Every time you write that it means less and makes you look worse, it's basically 'my dad is bigger than your dad' at this point. 
Call things as I see them. When people spout a load of prattle that is not even vaguely relevant to the point being discussed I will call it out. It's a reasonably effective method, as I am always far too short on time to argue the toss with a clusterbomb of irrelevant tosh. But so what. This is a football forum full of people I don't know and will never meet. Their opinion means nothing to me and has no relevance or impact in the world. I am perfectly happy to disagree. I don't give a flying shit what people think of me.

Edit. Except possibly on matters where I am expert. I also acknowledge this is somewhat hypocritical if engaged with teachers. But my level of expertise in my field is more akin to Pele at football than the average teacher at teaching in all fairness.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 16, 2023, 12:17:32 AM
			

			

				Weftist lord dalas.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Stu on July 16, 2023, 12:19:30 AM
			

			

				This has been fun to catch up on!

In before the lock…
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on July 16, 2023, 12:22:36 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 16, 2023, 12:13:08 AM
Quote from: paul_e on July 15, 2023, 11:44:38 PM
Every time you write that it means less and makes you look worse, it's basically 'my dad is bigger than your dad' at this point. 
Call things as I see them. When people spout a load of prattle that is not even vaguely relevant to the point being discussed I will call it out. It's a reasonably effective method, as I am always far too short on time to argue the toss with a clusterbomb of irrelevant tosh. But so what. This is a football forum full of people I don't know and will never meet. Their opinion means nothing to me and has no relevance or impact in the world. I am perfectly happy to disagree. I don't give a flying shit what people think of me.

Edit. Except possibly on matters where I am expert. I also acknowledge this is somewhat hypocritical if engaged with teachers. But my level of expertise in my field is more akin to Pele at football than the average teacher at teaching in all fairness.

Right-wing word salad (and astounding degrees of arrogant bullshit layered on top).
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Stu on July 16, 2023, 12:23:08 AM
			

			

				Yeah, my best friend is autistic. Diagnosed late in life, neurotypical people have to learn when engaging isn’t the best idea. It doesn’t excuse rudeness though.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 16, 2023, 12:23:35 AM
			

			

				Word salad no ballad


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smoke on July 16, 2023, 12:40:58 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on July 15, 2023, 11:53:20 PM
Quote from: Smoke on July 15, 2023, 11:44:17 PM
There's some real nasty posters on this site who jump into bullying/harassment mode really fast whenever someone behaves differently (footy seems to kop the most of this) 
Or when someones world view/politics is different (Ashton is getting it today) 
Then theres the whole labour vs tory stuff. Which seems to get shoe horned in whereever possible.

You guys may find it amusing but personally it makes me feel uncomfortable reading through the bullying whenever it occurs. 

Even if in your view the person you're being a dick is in your view more of a dick. You're still being a dick. 

Just let people be for fucks sake. 

(I'm aware I may be the only person getting fed up with all this, still. I felt strongly enough to bother posting this!) 

I'm not sure you fully understand the point of a forum, disagreeing is pretty important. Most of the time when people cry bullying it's nothing of the sort, it's lots of people individually disagreeing with the same post/poster for largely the same reasons.

Ashton is getting some shit today for describing teachers in the sort of language that has bene reserved for immigrants for the last decade and then doubling and tripling down on it, not because people are bullying him.


I'm quite sure nobody has mentioned immigrants, especially Ashton. Why is that relevant in any way? He said a System was Infested with certain political ideals and you draw comparisons to immigration? How is that helping this discourse? 


Disagreement obviously is part and parcel of a forum I'm just saying how I see it. It feels over the last 2/3 years on here certain subjects are just open season for people (often the same sets of people) to gang up (or lots of people individually disagreeing with a single poster as you put it) for having a "wrong" belief,  usually in my view to the detriment of the discussion that was taking place to start with. 

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 16, 2023, 12:43:56 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Stu on July 16, 2023, 12:23:08 AM
Yeah, my best friend is autistic. Diagnosed late in life, neurotypical people have to learn when engaging isn’t the best idea. It doesn’t excuse rudeness though.

I agree with that.

I was only diagnosed in my 40s, and I would have saved myself a lot of issues had I been aware earlier.

If I have been rude I do apologise. I don't think people should hide behind issues and excuse bad behaviour. That said I do not believe I have been rude, or at least anywhere close to as rude as people have been to me.


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Stu on July 16, 2023, 12:56:22 AM
			

			

				Same with my mate, Ashton! He was 41, he met his now long term partner and she’s a psychiatrist so spotted what was going on very quickly. He’s a direct fella too, I kind of love him for it because he means what he says and I can trust him with anything.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on July 16, 2023, 01:09:22 AM
			

			

				So..... when do they fly out to the US?  First game is on the 24th, so presuming maybe Wednesday / Thursday?  Might even be Friday with it being a relatively short flight to Philadelphia and getting there around lunchtime.

Might be wrong, but I wouldn't have thought they will get any business done while they are out there, so probably looking at before or when they get back.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 16, 2023, 01:34:30 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on July 16, 2023, 12:22:36 AM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 16, 2023, 12:13:08 AM
Quote from: paul_e on July 15, 2023, 11:44:38 PM
Every time you write that it means less and makes you look worse, it's basically 'my dad is bigger than your dad' at this point. 
Call things as I see them. When people spout a load of prattle that is not even vaguely relevant to the point being discussed I will call it out. It's a reasonably effective method, as I am always far too short on time to argue the toss with a clusterbomb of irrelevant tosh. But so what. This is a football forum full of people I don't know and will never meet. Their opinion means nothing to me and has no relevance or impact in the world. I am perfectly happy to disagree. I don't give a flying shit what people think of me.

Edit. Except possibly on matters where I am expert. I also acknowledge this is somewhat hypocritical if engaged with teachers. But my level of expertise in my field is more akin to Pele at football than the average teacher at teaching in all fairness.

Right-wing word salad (and astounding degrees of arrogant bullshit layered on top).

Edit. Except possibly on matters where I am expert. I also acknowledge this is somewhat hypocritical if engaged with teachers. But my level of expertise in my field is more akin to Pele at football than the average teacher at teaching in all fairness.
[/quote]

Right-wing word salad (and astounding degrees of arrogant bullshit layered on top).
[/quote]

Except I have been reasonably clear in my line of argument.

Arrogant? I see why you might think that. However I am absolutely in the top 1% in multiple scientific fields. I have been called 'the Bill Gates of agriculture' in the FT, and described as the Stephen Hawking of my field in multiple science publications. I have advised the UK government (under Labour), and currently advise the Australian government. I recently turned down 1.4m Yuan a year to advise the Chinese Government for 2 days a month (on principle). I have so many awards for scientific achievement that I can't fit them in my office. Under the last Labour government the then science minister (Lord Sainsbury) asked me to write a book about how someone from my background achieved so much (I refused). I am not arrogant, as I am pretty useless at many things mot people find easy. However when in my area of expertise I am exceptionally gifted. I attribute this blessing to God as yes 'Shock horror' I am a Christian.

As an aside I have been meaning to ask for a while. Did you ever work at Heathcotes in Preston? If so I might know you IRL.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rory on July 16, 2023, 01:34:56 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smoke on July 16, 2023, 12:40:58 AM
Quote from: paul_e on July 15, 2023, 11:53:20 PM
Quote from: Smoke on July 15, 2023, 11:44:17 PM
There's some real nasty posters on this site who jump into bullying/harassment mode really fast whenever someone behaves differently (footy seems to kop the most of this) 
Or when someones world view/politics is different (Ashton is getting it today) 
Then theres the whole labour vs tory stuff. Which seems to get shoe horned in whereever possible.

You guys may find it amusing but personally it makes me feel uncomfortable reading through the bullying whenever it occurs. 

Even if in your view the person you're being a dick is in your view more of a dick. You're still being a dick. 

Just let people be for fucks sake. 

(I'm aware I may be the only person getting fed up with all this, still. I felt strongly enough to bother posting this!) 

I'm not sure you fully understand the point of a forum, disagreeing is pretty important. Most of the time when people cry bullying it's nothing of the sort, it's lots of people individually disagreeing with the same post/poster for largely the same reasons.

Ashton is getting some shit today for describing teachers in the sort of language that has bene reserved for immigrants for the last decade and then doubling and tripling down on it, not because people are bullying him.


I'm quite sure nobody has mentioned immigrants, especially Ashton. Why is that relevant in any way? He said a System was Infested with certain political ideals and you draw comparisons to immigration? How is that helping this discourse? 


Disagreement obviously is part and parcel of a forum I'm just saying how I see it. It feels over the last 2/3 years on here certain subjects are just open season for people (often the same sets of people) to gang up (or lots of people individually disagreeing with a single poster as you put it) for having a "wrong" belief,  usually in my view to the detriment of the discussion that was taking place to start with.

With respect, joining a discussion by saying simply 'leftist word salad' and following that up with the below response doesn't invite responses made in good faith.

'The state school system is so infested with leftists that I pay for my kids to be privately educated...They have a lot of holidays, don’t work particularly long hours, took a long holiday during Covid whilst I worked all the way through it. Not the slightest bit interested in paying them more'

Ashton has since made some more reasonable posts that haven't had the same degree of negative reaction; the reason being they weren't complete arse gravy. Widespread objection to that was not bullying, it was the response to an unpopular and unfortunately worded post that insulted thousands of hard-working and often undervalued people.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 16, 2023, 01:47:20 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rory on July 16, 2023, 01:34:56 AM
Quote from: Smoke on July 16, 2023, 12:40:58 AM
Quote from: paul_e on July 15, 2023, 11:53:20 PM
Quote from: Smoke on July 15, 2023, 11:44:17 PM
There's some real nasty posters on this site who jump into bullying/harassment mode really fast whenever someone behaves differently (footy seems to kop the most of this) 
Or when someones world view/politics is different (Ashton is getting it today) 
Then theres the whole labour vs tory stuff. Which seems to get shoe horned in whereever possible.

You guys may find it amusing but personally it makes me feel uncomfortable reading through the bullying whenever it occurs. 

Even if in your view the person you're being a dick is in your view more of a dick. You're still being a dick. 

Just let people be for fucks sake. 

(I'm aware I may be the only person getting fed up with all this, still. I felt strongly enough to bother posting this!) 

I'm not sure you fully understand the point of a forum, disagreeing is pretty important. Most of the time when people cry bullying it's nothing of the sort, it's lots of people individually disagreeing with the same post/poster for largely the same reasons.

Ashton is getting some shit today for describing teachers in the sort of language that has bene reserved for immigrants for the last decade and then doubling and tripling down on it, not because people are bullying him.


I'm quite sure nobody has mentioned immigrants, especially Ashton. Why is that relevant in any way? He said a System was Infested with certain political ideals and you draw comparisons to immigration? How is that helping this discourse? 


Disagreement obviously is part and parcel of a forum I'm just saying how I see it. It feels over the last 2/3 years on here certain subjects are just open season for people (often the same sets of people) to gang up (or lots of people individually disagreeing with a single poster as you put it) for having a "wrong" belief,  usually in my view to the detriment of the discussion that was taking place to start with.

With respect, joining a discussion by saying simply 'leftist word salad' and following that up with the below response doesn't invite responses made in good faith.

'The state school system is so infested with leftists that I pay for my kids to be privately educated...They have a lot of holidays, don’t work particularly long hours, took a long holiday during Covid whilst I worked all the way through it. Not the slightest bit interested in paying them more'

Ashton has since made some more reasonable posts that haven't had the same degree of negative reaction; the reason being they weren't complete arse gravy. Widespread objection to that was not bullying, it was the response to an unpopular and unfortunately worded post that insulted thousands of hard-working and often undervalued people.

Depends what you call reasonable. I NEVER work less than 14 hours a day, and usually work at least 17 hours a day. I am a 100% bona fide wprkaholic. It caused the breakdown of my first marriage. The lack of contact with two of my children. I make a few concessions these days (take at least half a day off at Christmas for instance). If I could take a pill and never sleep but work 100 years more I would swallow it in an instant.

If I am honest I don't value people in general much. Most of them are a complete waste of time to me.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rory on July 16, 2023, 02:00:20 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 16, 2023, 01:47:20 AM
Quote from: Rory on July 16, 2023, 01:34:56 AM
Quote from: Smoke on July 16, 2023, 12:40:58 AM
Quote from: paul_e on July 15, 2023, 11:53:20 PM
Quote from: Smoke on July 15, 2023, 11:44:17 PM
There's some real nasty posters on this site who jump into bullying/harassment mode really fast whenever someone behaves differently (footy seems to kop the most of this) 
Or when someones world view/politics is different (Ashton is getting it today) 
Then theres the whole labour vs tory stuff. Which seems to get shoe horned in whereever possible.

You guys may find it amusing but personally it makes me feel uncomfortable reading through the bullying whenever it occurs. 

Even if in your view the person you're being a dick is in your view more of a dick. You're still being a dick. 

Just let people be for fucks sake. 

(I'm aware I may be the only person getting fed up with all this, still. I felt strongly enough to bother posting this!) 

I'm not sure you fully understand the point of a forum, disagreeing is pretty important. Most of the time when people cry bullying it's nothing of the sort, it's lots of people individually disagreeing with the same post/poster for largely the same reasons.

Ashton is getting some shit today for describing teachers in the sort of language that has bene reserved for immigrants for the last decade and then doubling and tripling down on it, not because people are bullying him.


I'm quite sure nobody has mentioned immigrants, especially Ashton. Why is that relevant in any way? He said a System was Infested with certain political ideals and you draw comparisons to immigration? How is that helping this discourse? 


Disagreement obviously is part and parcel of a forum I'm just saying how I see it. It feels over the last 2/3 years on here certain subjects are just open season for people (often the same sets of people) to gang up (or lots of people individually disagreeing with a single poster as you put it) for having a "wrong" belief,  usually in my view to the detriment of the discussion that was taking place to start with.

With respect, joining a discussion by saying simply 'leftist word salad' and following that up with the below response doesn't invite responses made in good faith.

'The state school system is so infested with leftists that I pay for my kids to be privately educated...They have a lot of holidays, don’t work particularly long hours, took a long holiday during Covid whilst I worked all the way through it. Not the slightest bit interested in paying them more'

Ashton has since made some more reasonable posts that haven't had the same degree of negative reaction; the reason being they weren't complete arse gravy. Widespread objection to that was not bullying, it was the response to an unpopular and unfortunately worded post that insulted thousands of hard-working and often undervalued people.

Depends what you call reasonable. I NEVER work less than 14 hours a day, and usually work at least 17 hours a day. I am a 100% bona fide wprkaholic. It caused the breakdown of my first marriage. The lack of contact with two of my children. I make a few concessions these days (take at least half a day off at Christmas for instance). If I could take a pill and never sleep but work 100 years more I would swallow it in an instant.

If I am honest I don't value people in general much. Most of them are a complete waste of time to me.

Genuine question, what do you work so hard for? 

I remember in the past you've said you're not just out to make money, and if you don't value people, what motivates you? Is it just the enjoyment and pride you take in your work?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 16, 2023, 03:05:45 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rory on July 16, 2023, 02:00:20 AM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 16, 2023, 01:47:20 AM
Quote from: Rory on July 16, 2023, 01:34:56 AM
Quote from: Smoke on July 16, 2023, 12:40:58 AM
Quote from: paul_e on July 15, 2023, 11:53:20 PM
Quote from: Smoke on July 15, 2023, 11:44:17 PM
There's some real nasty posters on this site who jump into bullying/harassment mode really fast whenever someone behaves differently (footy seems to kop the most of this) 
Or when someones world view/politics is different (Ashton is getting it today) 
Then theres the whole labour vs tory stuff. Which seems to get shoe horned in whereever possible.

You guys may find it amusing but personally it makes me feel uncomfortable reading through the bullying whenever it occurs. 

Even if in your view the person you're being a dick is in your view more of a dick. You're still being a dick. 

Just let people be for fucks sake. 

(I'm aware I may be the only person getting fed up with all this, still. I felt strongly enough to bother posting this!) 

I'm not sure you fully understand the point of a forum, disagreeing is pretty important. Most of the time when people cry bullying it's nothing of the sort, it's lots of people individually disagreeing with the same post/poster for largely the same reasons.

Ashton is getting some shit today for describing teachers in the sort of language that has bene reserved for immigrants for the last decade and then doubling and tripling down on it, not because people are bullying him.


I'm quite sure nobody has mentioned immigrants, especially Ashton. Why is that relevant in any way? He said a System was Infested with certain political ideals and you draw comparisons to immigration? How is that helping this discourse? 


Disagreement obviously is part and parcel of a forum I'm just saying how I see it. It feels over the last 2/3 years on here certain subjects are just open season for people (often the same sets of people) to gang up (or lots of people individually disagreeing with a single poster as you put it) for having a "wrong" belief,  usually in my view to the detriment of the discussion that was taking place to start with.

With respect, joining a discussion by saying simply 'leftist word salad' and following that up with the below response doesn't invite responses made in good faith.

'The state school system is so infested with leftists that I pay for my kids to be privately educated...They have a lot of holidays, don’t work particularly long hours, took a long holiday during Covid whilst I worked all the way through it. Not the slightest bit interested in paying them more'

Ashton has since made some more reasonable posts that haven't had the same degree of negative reaction; the reason being they weren't complete arse gravy. Widespread objection to that was not bullying, it was the response to an unpopular and unfortunately worded post that insulted thousands of hard-working and often undervalued people.

Depends what you call reasonable. I NEVER work less than 14 hours a day, and usually work at least 17 hours a day. I am a 100% bona fide wprkaholic. It caused the breakdown of my first marriage. The lack of contact with two of my children. I make a few concessions these days (take at least half a day off at Christmas for instance). If I could take a pill and never sleep but work 100 years more I would swallow it in an instant.

If I am honest I don't value people in general much. Most of them are a complete waste of time to me.

Genuine question, what do you work so hard for? 

I remember in the past you've said you're not just out to make money, and if you don't value people, what motivates you? Is it just the enjoyment and pride you take in your work?

Interesting question.

It is certainly not money, I have made a lot of money for other people but never managed to keep much.

I don't think it's true that I don't value people, I am not touchy feely sure, but I do value humanity. I have at least 20 people I like (kids aside) and more than 60 live people I admire.

I guess it is mostly enjoyment and pride in my work. My wife / partner (not got around to getting married which is a bit of an issue after 12 years engagement evidently) recently made a 'joke' that I lose sleep not over not spending time with my family and children, but over not finishing my work.This is completely true.

I get no enjoyment or rest from sleep. Indeed I usually work in my sleep, as much as I am able given it can be a little weird. Sleep and wake time are almost the same to me, I never really lose consciousness it just gets a little 'trippy'.

I absolutely am very concerned at 49, that I may not finish my work before I die. It is a constant source of worry and motivation to me. I actively resent sleep. It's nearly 3am now, I got up at 6am, and have at least 3 hours work left when I finish wasting time here (Villa is my only other obsession and usually only when I have writers block so to speak).

So yes, sad as it may sound, my main motivation is achievement in my field. However I caveat that with the usefulness of my field. I am pretty effective. The technology I have developed would if properly adopted knock at leat 14% off global GHG emissions. It would also increase world food production by at least 36%. Reduce pesticide use by 52%. It pisses me off that this will never happen mostly due to politics and vested interests.

Sadly it has not had even close to that impact. Indeed the multinationals instead forced me out of my own company, spent two decades threatening me (and my family) and keeping my tech off the market. I fully intend to outwit them and give them a bloody nose before I die.




			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bad English on July 16, 2023, 03:12:46 AM
			

			

				I have 16 weeks holiday a year.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 16, 2023, 03:20:28 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bad English on July 16, 2023, 03:12:46 AM
I have 16 weeks holiday a year.

I pity you. I have taken three days off in the last decade, under duress.

I am about to go to Australia for a month, and am taking my kids and nanny with me. Its a punt at a new way of working that will give me maybe 10 days in 30 I spend with them (not full days obviously). They are going. to be based near Brisbane, I will visit NZ (north and South Island), Tasmania, South Australia, Western Australia, Victoria Northern Territories but will try to get weekends with the family.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bad English on July 16, 2023, 03:25:38 AM
			

			

				Cool! They could call you the Ten Day Pom.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Matt C on July 16, 2023, 03:27:55 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: tomd2103 on July 16, 2023, 01:09:22 AM
So..... when do they fly out to the US?  First game is on the 24th, so presuming maybe Wednesday / Thursday?  Might even be Friday with it being a relatively short flight to Philadelphia and getting there around lunchtime.

Might be wrong, but I wouldn't have thought they will get any business done while they are out there, so probably looking at before or when they get back. 

Wednesday so imagine they might be pushing to get one more done before then. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rory on July 16, 2023, 05:11:35 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 16, 2023, 03:05:45 AM
Quote from: Rory on July 16, 2023, 02:00:20 AM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 16, 2023, 01:47:20 AM
Quote from: Rory on July 16, 2023, 01:34:56 AM
Quote from: Smoke on July 16, 2023, 12:40:58 AM
Quote from: paul_e on July 15, 2023, 11:53:20 PM
Quote from: Smoke on July 15, 2023, 11:44:17 PM
There's some real nasty posters on this site who jump into bullying/harassment mode really fast whenever someone behaves differently (footy seems to kop the most of this) 
Or when someones world view/politics is different (Ashton is getting it today) 
Then theres the whole labour vs tory stuff. Which seems to get shoe horned in whereever possible.

You guys may find it amusing but personally it makes me feel uncomfortable reading through the bullying whenever it occurs. 

Even if in your view the person you're being a dick is in your view more of a dick. You're still being a dick. 

Just let people be for fucks sake. 

(I'm aware I may be the only person getting fed up with all this, still. I felt strongly enough to bother posting this!) 

I'm not sure you fully understand the point of a forum, disagreeing is pretty important. Most of the time when people cry bullying it's nothing of the sort, it's lots of people individually disagreeing with the same post/poster for largely the same reasons.

Ashton is getting some shit today for describing teachers in the sort of language that has bene reserved for immigrants for the last decade and then doubling and tripling down on it, not because people are bullying him.


I'm quite sure nobody has mentioned immigrants, especially Ashton. Why is that relevant in any way? He said a System was Infested with certain political ideals and you draw comparisons to immigration? How is that helping this discourse? 


Disagreement obviously is part and parcel of a forum I'm just saying how I see it. It feels over the last 2/3 years on here certain subjects are just open season for people (often the same sets of people) to gang up (or lots of people individually disagreeing with a single poster as you put it) for having a "wrong" belief,  usually in my view to the detriment of the discussion that was taking place to start with.

With respect, joining a discussion by saying simply 'leftist word salad' and following that up with the below response doesn't invite responses made in good faith.

'The state school system is so infested with leftists that I pay for my kids to be privately educated...They have a lot of holidays, don’t work particularly long hours, took a long holiday during Covid whilst I worked all the way through it. Not the slightest bit interested in paying them more'

Ashton has since made some more reasonable posts that haven't had the same degree of negative reaction; the reason being they weren't complete arse gravy. Widespread objection to that was not bullying, it was the response to an unpopular and unfortunately worded post that insulted thousands of hard-working and often undervalued people.

Depends what you call reasonable. I NEVER work less than 14 hours a day, and usually work at least 17 hours a day. I am a 100% bona fide wprkaholic. It caused the breakdown of my first marriage. The lack of contact with two of my children. I make a few concessions these days (take at least half a day off at Christmas for instance). If I could take a pill and never sleep but work 100 years more I would swallow it in an instant.

If I am honest I don't value people in general much. Most of them are a complete waste of time to me.

Genuine question, what do you work so hard for? 

I remember in the past you've said you're not just out to make money, and if you don't value people, what motivates you? Is it just the enjoyment and pride you take in your work?

Interesting question.

It is certainly not money, I have made a lot of money for other people but never managed to keep much.

I don't think it's true that I don't value people, I am not touchy feely sure, but I do value humanity. I have at least 20 people I like (kids aside) and more than 60 live people I admire.

I guess it is mostly enjoyment and pride in my work. My wife / partner (not got around to getting married which is a bit of an issue after 12 years engagement evidently) recently made a 'joke' that I lose sleep not over not spending time with my family and children, but over not finishing my work.This is completely true.

I get no enjoyment or rest from sleep. Indeed I usually work in my sleep, as much as I am able given it can be a little weird. Sleep and wake time are almost the same to me, I never really lose consciousness it just gets a little 'trippy'.

I absolutely am very concerned at 49, that I may not finish my work before I die. It is a constant source of worry and motivation to me. I actively resent sleep. It's nearly 3am now, I got up at 6am, and have at least 3 hours work left when I finish wasting time here (Villa is my only other obsession and usually only when I have writers block so to speak).

So yes, sad as it may sound, my main motivation is achievement in my field. However I caveat that with the usefulness of my field. I am pretty effective. The technology I have developed would if properly adopted knock at leat 14% off global GHG emissions. It would also increase world food production by at least 36%. Reduce pesticide use by 52%. It pisses me off that this will never happen mostly due to politics and vested interests.

Sadly it has not had even close to that impact. Indeed the multinationals instead forced me out of my own company, spent two decades threatening me (and my family) and keeping my tech off the market. I fully intend to outwit them and give them a bloody nose before I die.

Fair play. I understand all of that, and you like more people than I do.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: rooboy316 on July 16, 2023, 05:44:47 AM
			

			

				I know it's been political and off-topic, but have read the last few pages with a lot of interest!

Ashtonvilla, is it that you think there are too many 'sub-par' teachers in the system to justify improving pay and conditions for all? And for those that are motivated, hard working and competent (curious to know ballpark, what percentage of the profession you think that might be), do you think pay and working conditions are reasonable?

Do you think improving pay and conditions might a) attract more people to the job, improving the pool of potential candidates schools can select from and b) improve the performance of more teachers if they are motivated and resourced to do their jobs better?

Genuinely curious about your thinking on this, and what you see as the solutions to improving schools.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Baldy on July 16, 2023, 06:50:05 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bad English on July 16, 2023, 03:12:46 AM
I have 16 weeks holiday a year.

I have 7 months holiday a year. The other 5 months I am surrounded by topless babes whilst I sup cocktails and smoke.

It's all about personal choice.

My wealth is in my surroundings and not in my pocket.

That was, and still is, my personal choice.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Joe S on July 16, 2023, 07:11:48 AM
			

			

				Seriously, does every thread have to turn into a political or social debate. Mods?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 16, 2023, 07:25:57 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 15, 2023, 09:06:04 PM
Quote from: CT Villan on July 15, 2023, 08:29:52 PM
In the interests of getting things back on topic...

Can someone tell me who Dan Bardell is ?

Sure.

He's an autistic, lazy leftist teacher, who is English but pretends to be Welsh, he runs a Word Salad bar in Islington on the snide, as he's actually fully employed by a junior doctor in the NHS. 

And he stamps on baby rabbits.

That's good to know, I've been confusing him all this time with Luke Robinson.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on July 16, 2023, 07:32:05 AM
			

			

				Rumour has it that Dan Bardell was there when Barry didn’t take the penalty.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on July 16, 2023, 08:02:19 AM
			

			

				Just to take this off topic for a moment... 

Fabrizio Romano

Moussa Diaby to Aston Villa, here we go! Verbal agreement in place with Bayer Leverkusen after €55m plus add-ons bid sent this week. 🚨🟣🟣#AVFC

Deal in place, player only wanted Villa— understand medical tests have been scheduled at beginning of next week.

Done, sealed. ✔️
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villatillidie25 on July 16, 2023, 08:05:21 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on July 16, 2023, 08:02:19 AM
Just to take this off topic for a moment... 

Fabrizio Romano

Moussa Diaby to Aston Villa, here we go! Verbal agreement in place with Bayer Leverkusen after €55m plus add-ons bid sent this week. 🚨🟣🟣#AVFC

Deal in place, player only wanted Villa— understand medical tests have been scheduled at beginning of next week.

Done, sealed. ✔️

This real? Can’t see it on his feed 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on July 16, 2023, 08:13:08 AM
			

			

				No. I fell for a spoof. FFS 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Richard E on July 16, 2023, 08:13:37 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on July 16, 2023, 08:02:19 AM
Just to take this off topic for a moment... 

Fabrizio Romano

Moussa Diaby to Aston Villa, here we go! Verbal agreement in place with Bayer Leverkusen after €55m plus add-ons bid sent this week. 🚨🟣🟣#AVFC

Deal in place, player only wanted Villa— understand medical tests have been scheduled at beginning of next week.

Done, sealed. ✔️

And what exactly does this have to do with teachers’ salaries? Huh?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bad English on July 16, 2023, 08:18:06 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Joe S on July 16, 2023, 07:11:48 AM
Seriously, does every thread have to turn into a political or social debate. Mods?
Try posting about transfers and people will talk about them.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bad English on July 16, 2023, 08:21:54 AM
			

			

				Isn't it a bit late for transfers anyway? If we sign anyone now they won't have had a full pre-season™ and consequently will take time to gel™ and will have to adapt™ to the Premier League™.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john2710 on July 16, 2023, 09:09:48 AM
			

			

				Watching Buendia again yesterday only reinforced my belief that we need a significant upgrade in that position. So much of our forward play goes through him & more often than not breaks down with him. He either takes too long, picks the wrong pass or makes a poor pass & after watching him for 2 years, I don't see that changing.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 16, 2023, 09:14:36 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on July 16, 2023, 08:13:08 AM
No. I fell for a spoof. FFS

Was it that clown with about 75 followers?

What’s the point of accounts like that?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on July 16, 2023, 09:21:45 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: john2710 on July 16, 2023, 09:09:48 AM
Watching Buendia again yesterday only reinforced my belief that we need a significant upgrade in that position. So much of our forward play goes through him & more often than not breaks down with him. He either takes too long, picks the wrong pass or makes a poor pass & after watching him for 2 years, I don't see that changing.

I agree John.  We really need a more reliable play-maker in his position.  Buendia is great at times, but for me is a super-sub, last 20 minutes kind of player.  We are also really desperate for another forward. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on July 16, 2023, 09:31:04 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 16, 2023, 09:14:36 AM
Quote from: Drummond on July 16, 2023, 08:13:08 AM
No. I fell for a spoof. FFS

Was it that clown with about 75 followers?

What’s the point of accounts like that?

I don't get it either. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: caster troy on July 16, 2023, 09:35:09 AM
			

			

				I think Joao Felix is the target to replace Buendia. Can’t fault our ambition there but my worry is we’ll try all summer to get him, he’ll go somewhere else and then it’ll be too late to sign anyone.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on July 16, 2023, 09:55:16 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 15, 2023, 10:10:20 PM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on July 15, 2023, 09:52:31 PM
Need more classics like this (on claret & blue vinyl).



Absolute classic, always reminds me of the journey up to Ewood Park for the first leg of the league cup semi final. Great lads, great away trip and great result.

Reminds me of us singing it in Wycombe train station, whilst throwing around a wheel of cheese liberated from the executive boxes. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on July 16, 2023, 10:02:32 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: john2710 on July 16, 2023, 09:09:48 AM
Watching Buendia again yesterday only reinforced my belief that we need a significant upgrade in that position. So much of our forward play goes through him & more often than not breaks down with him. He either takes too long, picks the wrong pass or makes a poor pass & after watching him for 2 years, I don't see that changing.

Yeah he was crap yesterday, although I was impressed with him throwing off that Walsall defender who looked like a WWF star. He’s bulked up. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on July 16, 2023, 10:31:48 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smoke on July 16, 2023, 12:40:58 AM
Quote from: paul_e on July 15, 2023, 11:53:20 PM
Quote from: Smoke on July 15, 2023, 11:44:17 PM
There's some real nasty posters on this site who jump into bullying/harassment mode really fast whenever someone behaves differently (footy seems to kop the most of this) 
Or when someones world view/politics is different (Ashton is getting it today) 
Then theres the whole labour vs tory stuff. Which seems to get shoe horned in whereever possible.

You guys may find it amusing but personally it makes me feel uncomfortable reading through the bullying whenever it occurs. 

Even if in your view the person you're being a dick is in your view more of a dick. You're still being a dick. 

Just let people be for fucks sake. 

(I'm aware I may be the only person getting fed up with all this, still. I felt strongly enough to bother posting this!) 

I'm not sure you fully understand the point of a forum, disagreeing is pretty important. Most of the time when people cry bullying it's nothing of the sort, it's lots of people individually disagreeing with the same post/poster for largely the same reasons.

Ashton is getting some shit today for describing teachers in the sort of language that has been reserved for immigrants for the last decade and then doubling and tripling down on it, not because people are bullying him.


I'm quite sure nobody has mentioned immigrants, especially Ashton. Why is that relevant in any way? He said a System was Infested with certain political ideals and you draw comparisons to immigration? How is that helping this discourse? 


Disagreement obviously is part and parcel of a forum I'm just saying how I see it. It feels over the last 2/3 years on here certain subjects are just open season for people (often the same sets of people) to gang up (or lots of people individually disagreeing with a single poster as you put it) for having a "wrong" belief,  usually in my view to the detriment of the discussion that was taking place to start with. 


I think you probably need to read that again because you seem to have completely missed the bold bit. The problem with the word infested is it implies that there is some sort of vermin that needs to be removed, which is the sort of language that pisses people off.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on July 16, 2023, 10:33:16 AM
			

			

				Sorry, there was a bit of an explosion of discussion and I was too hungover to be bothered reading it properly.

So, am I right in thinking that we've identified Dan Bardell as the guest drummer in African Car Reverser's 3rd single 'Leftist Word Salad'? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 16, 2023, 10:34:31 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: PeterWithe on July 16, 2023, 10:02:32 AM
Quote from: john2710 on July 16, 2023, 09:09:48 AM
Watching Buendia again yesterday only reinforced my belief that we need a significant upgrade in that position. So much of our forward play goes through him & more often than not breaks down with him. He either takes too long, picks the wrong pass or makes a poor pass & after watching him for 2 years, I don't see that changing.

Yeah he was crap yesterday, although I was impressed with him throwing off that Walsall defender who looked like a WWF star. He’s bulked up. 

I'd probably sell Buendia to be honest. I don't think his all round contribution is enough to make up for his shortcomings.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on July 16, 2023, 10:39:28 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 16, 2023, 01:34:30 AM
Except I have been reasonably clear in my line of argument.

Arrogant? I see why you might think that. However I am absolutely in the top 1% in multiple scientific fields. I have been called 'the Bill Gates of agriculture' in the FT, and described as the Stephen Hawking of my field in multiple science publications. I have advised the UK government (under Labour), and currently advise the Australian government. I recently turned down 1.4m Yuan a year to advise the Chinese Government for 2 days a month (on principle). I have so many awards for scientific achievement that I can't fit them in my office. Under the last Labour government the then science minister (Lord Sainsbury) asked me to write a book about how someone from my background achieved so much (I refused). I am not arrogant, as I am pretty useless at many things mot people find easy. However when in my area of expertise I am exceptionally gifted. I attribute this blessing to God as yes 'Shock horror' I am a Christian.

As an aside I have been meaning to ask for a while. Did you ever work at Heathcotes in Preston? If so I might know you IRL.

and I think many of the arguments you've dismissed have been equally clear, you just don't like them and can't be arsed to form a proper argument so you're dismissing them as beneath you with a 3 word slogan that means nothing. That's the arrogant bit, good on you for everything in the 2nd paragraph though. I'm guessing one of the things you're 'pretty useless at' is empathy because you display absolutely none in most of your posts.

Oh and no, that's not me.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on July 16, 2023, 10:41:35 AM
			

			

				I dont really see the need for carrying this on to be honest. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on July 16, 2023, 10:43:05 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on July 16, 2023, 10:34:31 AM
Quote from: PeterWithe on July 16, 2023, 10:02:32 AM
Quote from: john2710 on July 16, 2023, 09:09:48 AM
Watching Buendia again yesterday only reinforced my belief that we need a significant upgrade in that position. So much of our forward play goes through him & more often than not breaks down with him. He either takes too long, picks the wrong pass or makes a poor pass & after watching him for 2 years, I don't see that changing.

Yeah he was crap yesterday, although I was impressed with him throwing off that Walsall defender who looked like a WWF star. He’s bulked up. 

I'd probably sell Buendia to be honest. I don't think his all round contribution is enough to make up for his shortcomings.

I wouldn’t sell him, what I’d like to see is genuine competition for his place, if he has any aspirations of caps for Argentina he needs to up his game & regularly.  For me he is still In Championship mode a lot of the time, trying through balls against the likes of donkeys like Liam Cooper or Grant Hanley works, try it vs Van Dijk or Dias he is too predictable to read.

Upgrade, retain Buendia, bomb out Coutinho 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on July 16, 2023, 10:45:50 AM
			

			

				Coutinho would be perfect in place of Buendia if  he could stay fit. 

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on July 16, 2023, 10:55:24 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on July 16, 2023, 10:34:31 AM
Quote from: PeterWithe on July 16, 2023, 10:02:32 AM
Quote from: john2710 on July 16, 2023, 09:09:48 AM
Watching Buendia again yesterday only reinforced my belief that we need a significant upgrade in that position. So much of our forward play goes through him & more often than not breaks down with him. He either takes too long, picks the wrong pass or makes a poor pass & after watching him for 2 years, I don't see that changing.

Yeah he was crap yesterday, although I was impressed with him throwing off that Walsall defender who looked like a WWF star. He’s bulked up. 

I'd probably sell Buendia to be honest. I don't think his all round contribution is enough to make up for his shortcomings.

Me too, I'd have him higher on the list than Bailey personally. He's the sort of player that some fans love because he runs around a lot and shows a lot of passion but for me he's been with us for 2 years and still doesn't look like he understands how most of the team play. The problem of course is that I don't see there being many takers for him.

I'd be aiming to replace Buendia and Bertie (even though i love watching him I don't think he really fits with how we're playing) in this window and I'd give Bailey and Coutinho 1 more chance and ship them out in Jan/next summer if they still aren't contributing.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 16, 2023, 10:56:40 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clampy on July 16, 2023, 10:41:35 AM
I dont really see the need for carrying this on to be honest. 

Yep, the rain has cleared so everyone should go for a nice walk and get some air.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on July 16, 2023, 11:01:51 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on July 16, 2023, 10:56:40 AM
Quote from: Clampy on July 16, 2023, 10:41:35 AM
I dont really see the need for carrying this on to be honest. 

Yep, the rain has cleared so everyone should go for a nice walk and get some air.

Speak for yourself, it's raining again for me.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on July 16, 2023, 11:04:49 AM
			

			

				 watching the team run around yesterday confirmed my opinion on the new shirt

I don’t know what it is but It just doesn’t look right, there’s something wrong going on there

I don’t normally get exercised about the shirt they all look pretty similar to me, but this one is a bit rubbish
Worst one yet I reckon, the sponsor doesn’t help absolutely crap

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 16, 2023, 11:06:08 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clampy on July 16, 2023, 10:45:50 AM
Coutinho would be perfect in place of Buendia if  he could stay fit.

I keep Buendia this year. I’d like to see Emery really work on Buendia to see if/how much he can improve him before we get rid.

If there’s no improvement then priority 1 next summer.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on July 16, 2023, 11:06:55 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Gareth on July 16, 2023, 10:43:05 AM
Quote from: Risso on July 16, 2023, 10:34:31 AM
Quote from: PeterWithe on July 16, 2023, 10:02:32 AM
Quote from: john2710 on July 16, 2023, 09:09:48 AM
Watching Buendia again yesterday only reinforced my belief that we need a significant upgrade in that position. So much of our forward play goes through him & more often than not breaks down with him. He either takes too long, picks the wrong pass or makes a poor pass & after watching him for 2 years, I don't see that changing.

Yeah he was crap yesterday, although I was impressed with him throwing off that Walsall defender who looked like a WWF star. He’s bulked up. 

I'd probably sell Buendia to be honest. I don't think his all round contribution is enough to make up for his shortcomings.

I wouldn’t sell him, what I’d like to see is genuine competition for his place, if he has any aspirations of caps for Argentina he needs to up his game & regularly.  For me he is still In Championship mode a lot of the time, trying through balls against the likes of donkeys like Liam Cooper or Grant Hanley works, try it vs Van Dijk or Dias he is too predictable to read.

Upgrade, retain Buendia, bomb out Coutinho 

Problem with selling him is that you’d be looking at a massive loss, he’s proved slightly under par in the PL so few takers and players like him seem ten a penny in Spain. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bobby Boy on July 16, 2023, 11:07:03 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: john e on July 16, 2023, 11:04:49 AM
 watching the team run around yesterday confirmed my opinion on the new shirt

I don’t know what it is but It just doesn’t look right, there’s something wrong going on there

I don’t normally get exercised about the shirt they all look pretty similar to me, but this one is a bit rubbish
Worst one yet I reckon, the sponsor doesn’t help absolutely crap


West Ham have got the shirt this season that we should be wearing the bubble-blowing swines!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on July 16, 2023, 11:08:18 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: john e on July 16, 2023, 11:04:49 AM
 watching the team run around yesterday confirmed my opinion on the new shirt

I don’t know what it is but It just doesn’t look right, there’s something wrong going on there

I don’t normally get exercised about the shirt they all look pretty similar to me, but this one is a bit rubbish
Worst one yet I reckon, the sponsor doesn’t help absolutely crap


I agree, I've tried to give it some time but having seen them in person, in adverts and now during a game I just don't like anything about it, the piping on the shoulders might be the worst 'feature' we've ever had on a kit, I have no idea how anyone could look at that and think it was good.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Anthenagin on July 16, 2023, 11:08:52 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on July 15, 2023, 10:17:07 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on July 15, 2023, 10:08:57 PM
I’ve got the single. I’ve also got “ Hey Aston Villa” and “ We’re Going Up”. Classics.

Yeah, I've still got the single as well, but not the other two. As BNS says, a reminder of some good times.

Not sure if you’re aware but there’s a French rock band called Aston Villa https://www.discogs.com/artist/464685-Aston-Villa?


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 16, 2023, 11:17:39 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on July 16, 2023, 11:08:18 AM
Quote from: john e on July 16, 2023, 11:04:49 AM
 watching the team run around yesterday confirmed my opinion on the new shirt

I don’t know what it is but It just doesn’t look right, there’s something wrong going on there

I don’t normally get exercised about the shirt they all look pretty similar to me, but this one is a bit rubbish
Worst one yet I reckon, the sponsor doesn’t help absolutely crap


I agree, I've tried to give it some time but having seen them in person, in adverts and now during a game I just don't like anything about it, the piping on the shoulders might be the worst 'feature' we've ever had on a kit, I have no idea how anyone could look at that and think it was good.

If you look at the renders on the OS shop, the piping is supposed to join the corner of the claret chest. On the actual shirts, it’s nowhere near, which makes a shit design feature look even worse.

Also literally the only difference that I can see between the normal and ‘pro’ version are three small holes they’ve cut into the pro version under the arms for ventilation. It’s supposed to be a slimmer fit, and in previous years the pro kit was quite clingy indeed. These are absolutely no different in fit whatsoever, and I’ve said before, the material is atrocious.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 16, 2023, 11:22:00 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on July 15, 2023, 10:08:57 PM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on July 15, 2023, 09:52:31 PM
Need more classics like this (on claret & blue vinyl).



I’ve got the single. I’ve also got “ Hey Aston Villa” and “ We’re Going Up”. Classics.


I remember when we were kids, I reckon this'd be 1980, maybe a bit later, my best mate had an album compilation of Villa songs, which had "Hey Aston Villa" on it. All I remember is i am sure it was on Cherry Red records.

Just googled and I can see a late 90s compilation, but as i said, this was about 20 years earlier.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 16, 2023, 11:43:37 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on July 16, 2023, 11:01:51 AM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on July 16, 2023, 10:56:40 AM
Quote from: Clampy on July 16, 2023, 10:41:35 AM
I dont really see the need for carrying this on to be honest. 

Yep, the rain has cleared so everyone should go for a nice walk and get some air.

Speak for yourself, it's raining again for me.

Ah, sun's out here but I think we can all agree that the weather's been a bit shit the past few weeks.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: KevinGage on July 16, 2023, 11:48:30 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: john e on July 16, 2023, 11:04:49 AM
 watching the team run around yesterday confirmed my opinion on the new shirt

I don’t know what it is but It just doesn’t look right, there’s something wrong going on there

I don’t normally get exercised about the shirt they all look pretty similar to me, but this one is a bit rubbish
Worst one yet I reckon, the sponsor doesn’t help absolutely crap


I'd hope that it sells so poorly that the club marketing bods never go this route again. The badge, the shade,  the piping, the WAV tribute nonsense for a song that isn't even ours and that cack oversized sponsor. It has no redeeming features at all. 

But if it's a Fanatics deal, the club have prob already got their money and aren't really fussed. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: DB on July 16, 2023, 11:58:28 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 16, 2023, 11:06:08 AM
Quote from: Clampy on July 16, 2023, 10:45:50 AM
Coutinho would be perfect in place of Buendia if  he could stay fit.

I keep Buendia this year. I’d like to see Emery really work on Buendia to see if/how much he can improve him before we get rid.

If there’s no improvement then priority 1 next summer.

I don't think that will happen. A lot of players have improved under Emery, EB has not moved. Another season the way we are progressing will show more of his short-comings. We need an upgrade.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 16, 2023, 12:12:34 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Joe S on July 16, 2023, 07:11:48 AM
Seriously, does every thread have to turn into a political or social debate. Mods?

We're not really here to tell people what they are and aren't allowed to talk about.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on July 16, 2023, 12:17:00 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clampy on July 16, 2023, 10:45:50 AM
Coutinho would be perfect in place of Buendia if  he could stay fit.

He doesn’t stay fit though does he
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 16, 2023, 12:19:03 PM
			

			

				The thing about players like Buendia and Bailey is that they've managed to do a job under Emery. I don't know what specific task he gives them of a match day, but we finished the season well, so I'll assume everyone was doing what was asked of them.

We had a squad that should have been performing better when he took over, and he got them to perform to that level, and above. 

If you believe the rumours then we are looking to sign 2 new attacking/midfield players. So it's not a great leap to assume he does want us to play differently to how we have been.

That said, I'd still be keeping Buendia and Bailey because the absolute last thing we want is a squad that can't change or adapt to any situation/opponent. 

I personally would say the same for Coutinho, but he obviously wasn't as involved as the others last season and if an appropriate offer was to materialise then we probably wouldn't miss him that much. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Anthenagin on July 16, 2023, 12:25:02 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 16, 2023, 11:22:00 AM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on July 15, 2023, 10:08:57 PM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on July 15, 2023, 09:52:31 PM
Need more classics like this (on claret & blue vinyl).



Here’s the track list, maybe time for a reissue?



(https://i.ibb.co/FqCw6H2/IMG-3014.png) (https://ibb.co/FqCw6H2)

I’ve got the single. I’ve also got “ Hey Aston Villa” and “ We’re Going Up”. Classics.


I remember when we were kids, I reckon this'd be 1980, maybe a bit later, my best mate had an album compilation of Villa songs, which had "Hey Aston Villa" on it. All I remember is i am sure it was on Cherry Red records.

Just googled and I can see a late 90s compilation, but as i said, this was about 20 years earlier.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 16, 2023, 12:38:08 PM
			

			

				I hope we go into the season with Watkins, Buendia, 2 new (Diaby and Johnson?), Archer and one from Coutinho, Bailey and Traore, which will depend on a few factors including likely fitness, interest from a buying club / price and general attitude of the player. I’d loan Duran out so that would be 6 players for 2/3 positions on the pitch depending on tactics and hopefully a lot of games.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on July 16, 2023, 12:44:40 PM
			

			

				Looking at the weather over the last few days and coming week I object to this thread being titled Summer Transfer window >:( Can someone change it to Wet Transfer window please?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Jon Crofts on July 16, 2023, 12:44:51 PM
			

			

				Apparently we’ve made an approach for Lukaku.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 16, 2023, 12:50:03 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Jon Crofts on July 16, 2023, 12:44:51 PM
Apparently we’ve made an approach for Lukaku.

I bloody hope not.

Unless the fee is very, very low.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on July 16, 2023, 12:54:13 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Jon Crofts on July 16, 2023, 12:44:51 PM
Apparently we’ve made an approach for Lukaku.

According to whom? He’s one of those players who is tremendous when he’s 100% fit, but loses a massive amount if he’s anywhere below that.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Chris Smith on July 16, 2023, 12:56:34 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on July 16, 2023, 12:12:34 PM
Quote from: Joe S on July 16, 2023, 07:11:48 AM
Seriously, does every thread have to turn into a political or social debate. Mods?

We're not really here to tell people what they are and aren't allowed to talk about.

Quite rightly too but as individuals we could all perhaps show some discretion. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Chris Smith on July 16, 2023, 12:59:05 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Jon Crofts on July 16, 2023, 12:44:51 PM
Apparently we’ve made an approach for Lukaku.

Doesn’t seem an obvious fit for us. Where have you seen it, Jon?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on July 16, 2023, 12:59:47 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Jon Crofts on July 16, 2023, 12:44:51 PM
Apparently we’ve made an approach for Lukaku.

Oh please no.


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on July 16, 2023, 12:59:55 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 16, 2023, 12:54:13 PM
Quote from: Jon Crofts on July 16, 2023, 12:44:51 PM
Apparently we’ve made an approach for Lukaku.

According to whom? He’s one of those players who is tremendous when he’s 100% fit, but loses a massive amount if he’s anywhere below that.

I recall reading something last season that Inter had hired an expert in Biomechanics (?) to look at him and had concluded that his running style had changed and that had led to him being prone to injury and less effective when fit. He’d be on serious wages, I’d stay well clear. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on July 16, 2023, 01:04:27 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Chris Smith on July 16, 2023, 12:59:05 PM
Quote from: Jon Crofts on July 16, 2023, 12:44:51 PM
Apparently we’ve made an approach for Lukaku.

Doesn’t seem an obvious fit for us. Where have you seen it, Jon?

Twitter nonsense, not a proper source 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SamTheMouse on July 16, 2023, 01:12:56 PM
			

			

				Fuck that. Overpaid, overweight, over the hill.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Jon Crofts on July 16, 2023, 01:15:56 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: coreyfeldman on July 16, 2023, 01:04:27 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on July 16, 2023, 12:59:05 PM
Quote from: Jon Crofts on July 16, 2023, 12:44:51 PM
Apparently we’ve made an approach for Lukaku.

Doesn’t seem an obvious fit for us. Where have you seen it, Jon?

Twitter nonsense, not a proper source 

Gazzetta Italia that well known ‘not a proper source’
We made a proposal according to Gazzetta. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on July 16, 2023, 01:17:21 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Chris Smith on July 16, 2023, 12:56:34 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 16, 2023, 12:12:34 PM
Quote from: Joe S on July 16, 2023, 07:11:48 AM
Seriously, does every thread have to turn into a political or social debate. Mods?

We're not really here to tell people what they are and aren't allowed to talk about.

Quite rightly too but as individuals we could all perhaps show some discretion.

Personally I think letting the conversation work itself out without moaning about it works best. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Jon Crofts on July 16, 2023, 01:18:28 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: SamTheMouse on July 16, 2023, 01:12:56 PM
Fuck that. Overpaid, overweight, over the hill.

Add stinking attitude to the list. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on July 16, 2023, 01:20:49 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on July 16, 2023, 01:17:21 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on July 16, 2023, 12:56:34 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 16, 2023, 12:12:34 PM
Quote from: Joe S on July 16, 2023, 07:11:48 AM
Seriously, does every thread have to turn into a political or social debate. Mods?

We're not really here to tell people what they are and aren't allowed to talk about.

Quite rightly too but as individuals we could all perhaps show some discretion.

Personally I think letting the conversation work itself out without moaning about it works best. 
Can you explain that a bit more Paul, as I don't see what you mean? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on July 16, 2023, 01:24:34 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Jon Crofts on July 16, 2023, 01:15:56 PM
Quote from: coreyfeldman on July 16, 2023, 01:04:27 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on July 16, 2023, 12:59:05 PM
Quote from: Jon Crofts on July 16, 2023, 12:44:51 PM
Apparently we’ve made an approach for Lukaku.

Doesn’t seem an obvious fit for us. Where have you seen it, Jon?

Twitter nonsense, not a proper source 

Gazzetta Italia that well known ‘not a proper source’
We made a proposal according to Gazzetta. 

The Gazzetta della Sport? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 16, 2023, 01:29:56 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PeterWithe on July 16, 2023, 09:55:16 AM
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 15, 2023, 10:10:20 PM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on July 15, 2023, 09:52:31 PM
Need more classics like this (on claret & blue vinyl).



Absolute classic, always reminds me of the journey up to Ewood Park for the first leg of the league cup semi final. Great lads, great away trip and great result.

Reminds me of us singing it in Wycombe train station, whilst throwing around a wheel of cheese liberated from the executive boxes. 

Ha, well we needed to make our own entertainment to raise spirits after that shit show.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on July 16, 2023, 01:31:34 PM
			

			

				£30m seemed to be talked about in terms of Lukaku and Inter. I know his wages would be huge but the fee seems quite reasonable. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john2710 on July 16, 2023, 01:34:49 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on July 16, 2023, 01:31:34 PM
£30m seemed to be talked about in terms of Lukaku and Inter. I know his wages would be huge but the fee seems quite reasonable.

Not if he never plays.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Jon Crofts on July 16, 2023, 01:43:19 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PeterWithe on July 16, 2023, 01:24:34 PM
Quote from: Jon Crofts on July 16, 2023, 01:15:56 PM
Quote from: coreyfeldman on July 16, 2023, 01:04:27 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on July 16, 2023, 12:59:05 PM
Quote from: Jon Crofts on July 16, 2023, 12:44:51 PM
Apparently we’ve made an approach for Lukaku.

Doesn’t seem an obvious fit for us. Where have you seen it, Jon?

Twitter nonsense, not a proper source 

Gazzetta Italia that well known ‘not a proper source’
We made a proposal according to Gazzetta. 

The Gazzetta della Sport? 

It’s the briefest of mentions, literally ‘Aston Villa made a proposal’ That’s it. 
The big part of the article is the fact he is refusing to travel with Chelsea on their pre season tour, not even returning to London.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on July 16, 2023, 01:44:15 PM
			

			

				Same with Coutinho. 

I don't see there being anything in this one tbh. I don't think his personality would suit the squad dynamic. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 16, 2023, 01:57:29 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on July 16, 2023, 01:31:34 PM
£30m seemed to be talked about in terms of Lukaku and Inter. I know his wages would be huge but the fee seems quite reasonable. 

If nothing else it would stop him scoring against us.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on July 16, 2023, 01:58:28 PM
			

			

				I don't like his "I need to feel loved & wanted to perform" attitude. 

Suggests that he can turn it on & off whenever he feels like it.

His massive wages should be enough for him to perform.

Plus, have some pride in your craft...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 16, 2023, 02:03:26 PM
			

			

				No thanks to Lukaku. Attitude problem, fat, waster. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on July 16, 2023, 02:04:43 PM
			

			

				A player like Lukaku would be perfect for us, but Lukaku isn't that player anymore and I'm not convinced he has it in him now.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Astnor on July 16, 2023, 02:09:54 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 16, 2023, 01:29:56 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on July 16, 2023, 09:55:16 AM
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 15, 2023, 10:10:20 PM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on July 15, 2023, 09:52:31 PM
Need more classics like this (on claret & blue vinyl).



Absolute classic, always reminds me of the journey up to Ewood Park for the first leg of the league cup semi final. Great lads, great away trip and great result.

Reminds me of us singing it in Wycombe train station, whilst throwing around a wheel of cheese liberated from the executive boxes. 

Ha, well we needed to make our own entertainment to raise spirits after that shit show.
Listening to that youtube video again, the tune and words has "something to it" and can see it did make good vibes for those being there at the time  8)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Pete3206 on July 16, 2023, 02:14:48 PM
			

			

				Emery wouldn't give Lukaku the steam off his piss. There's hardly a player in Villa's squad now who isn't committed to the cause. Those who aren't, will be leaving very shortly.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on July 16, 2023, 02:24:48 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Pete3206 on July 16, 2023, 02:14:48 PM
Emery wouldn't give Lukaku the steam off his piss. There's hardly a player in Villa's squad now who isn't committed to the cause. Those who aren't, will be leaving very shortly.

Stan just posted this 

https://twitter.com/stancollymore/status/1680568164109766657?s=46&t=0-BUXD66ovTcofwrbTW4Ag
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ads on July 16, 2023, 02:31:05 PM
			

			

				What did it say?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on July 16, 2023, 02:31:23 PM
			

			

				He's also done the same with a picture of Joao Felix. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 16, 2023, 02:31:27 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ads on July 16, 2023, 02:31:05 PM
What did it say?

A photo of Lukaku, and #utv 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 16, 2023, 02:31:47 PM
			

			

				He's deleted the Lukaku one.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 16, 2023, 02:32:36 PM
			

			

				And has now posted a photo with two lions.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on July 16, 2023, 02:33:08 PM
			

			

				Bell end 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 16, 2023, 02:34:27 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 16, 2023, 02:33:08 PM
Bell end 

I'll be passing through there later, just after Bellbroughton. Do you need any petrol?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on July 16, 2023, 02:58:39 PM
			

			

				Can see Lukaku ending up in Saudi 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on July 16, 2023, 03:11:02 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Gareth on July 16, 2023, 10:43:05 AM
Quote from: Risso on July 16, 2023, 10:34:31 AM
Quote from: PeterWithe on July 16, 2023, 10:02:32 AM
Quote from: john2710 on July 16, 2023, 09:09:48 AM
Watching Buendia again yesterday only reinforced my belief that we need a significant upgrade in that position. So much of our forward play goes through him & more often than not breaks down with him. He either takes too long, picks the wrong pass or makes a poor pass & after watching him for 2 years, I don't see that changing.

Yeah he was crap yesterday, although I was impressed with him throwing off that Walsall defender who looked like a WWF star. He’s bulked up. 

I'd probably sell Buendia to be honest. I don't think his all round contribution is enough to make up for his shortcomings.

I wouldn’t sell him, what I’d like to see is genuine competition for his place, if he has any aspirations of caps for Argentina he needs to up his game & regularly.  For me he is still In Championship mode a lot of the time, trying through balls against the likes of donkeys like Liam Cooper or Grant Hanley works, try it vs Van Dijk or Dias he is too predictable to read.

Upgrade, retain Buendia, bomb out Coutinho

I think an upgrade on Buendia is needed if we are going to progress.  I like Emi and he brings a lot of energy to the side, but he just gets found out against better opposition.  The big question for me is whether Coutinho can play in the role that Buendia played last season.  In theory, he should be ideally suited to that role and just has that extra bit of quality.  

If we do bring in a wide player and a another striker, then the scope might not be there this summer to bring someone in for that position.  I still think there are a lot of good players around in that position and we could bring in a top quality option. 

Edit - Oh yeah, definite no to Lukaku as well!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on July 16, 2023, 03:12:33 PM
			

			

				While I want nothing to do with Lukaku, a player of his ilk paired with Ollie would be nearly impossible to defend. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: TheMalandro on July 16, 2023, 03:19:49 PM
			

			

				I’d rather have Ormondroyd back than Lukaku.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on July 16, 2023, 03:21:26 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: olaftab on July 16, 2023, 12:44:40 PM
Looking at the weather over the last few days and coming week I object to this thread being titled Summer Transfer window >:( Can someone change it to Wet Transfer window please?

I think it’s gonna take a few more signings for this window to get moist.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on July 16, 2023, 03:29:00 PM
			

			

				Lukaku back in the days when he was at the Boggies or Everton absolutely a no brainer…what we have seen since is a good player when he wants to be….he sulks and downs tools and goes out of shape when he doesn’t get what he wants…if I was anyone but Inter Milan wouldn’t touch with a bargepole…suspect he will eventually go to the Saudi retirement home for an exorbitant fee to help Chelsea’s finances
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smithy on July 16, 2023, 04:28:21 PM
			

			

				I would take Lukaku, but only if the it met two conditions.  First, it's a free loan, and secondly Chelsea continue to pay 100% of his wages.

Other than that, not interested. He's been getting worse for the last two years, and isn't going to get any better now he's in his thirties.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 16, 2023, 04:39:52 PM
			

			

				Not sure about Lukaku, he seemed to play quite well for Inter though.

Felix continues to be linked, and I do think he would be a good signing. Looked quite lively for Chelsea when he was on loan there.

Diaby seems most likely of those linked recently, seems highly rated and many pundits think it would be bit of a statement signing. 

At least the links are mostly to wingers and forwards now, we must be looking at signing one or two.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 16, 2023, 04:45:33 PM
			

			

				The problem with Felix for me, and it's the same with a few other names we've been linked with, is that it feels like he's made it clear we're below his standard at the moment. So if he was to end up coming it would feel like a last resort for him. That's not to say he wouldn't still give 100%, but given there's been several good names linked that seem happy to have us looking at them, I think we should be steering more towards them. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on July 16, 2023, 04:46:48 PM
			

			

				Lukaku love him for his life story and childhood hardship. So well done to him. As far as signing for us, NO. He can fuck off to Saudi and when he's there he can steal as much as he wants from them. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 16, 2023, 05:00:12 PM
			

			

				Jeremy Doku? Me neither.

https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1680606765812002827
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on July 16, 2023, 05:05:50 PM
			

			

				Imagine that big name European forward that got posted on here last week was actually Lukaku.

He gave two of the most disgusting performances in centre forward play I have ever seen (vs Croatia in the World Cup, then the CL final).

I have an irrational dislike of him for that CL game.

Felix would be great though. I don't think Stan is winding us up but I don't think he knows much either. Anyone who winds up other Villa fanswith transfer bullshittery is an arsehole imo. I don't care if you do it to other clubs but don't do it to your own. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on July 16, 2023, 05:07:53 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 16, 2023, 05:00:12 PM
Jeremy Doku? Me neither.

https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1680606765812002827

Already a Villa player thanks to some scamp on Wiki. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 16, 2023, 05:13:19 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 16, 2023, 05:00:12 PM
Jeremy Doku? Me neither.

https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1680606765812002827

Got to love early Wiki updaters

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jérémy_Doku
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on July 16, 2023, 05:17:16 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 16, 2023, 05:00:12 PM
Jeremy Doku? Me neither.

https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1680606765812002827

He is a serious talent.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Astnor on July 16, 2023, 05:20:59 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 16, 2023, 05:17:16 PM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 16, 2023, 05:00:12 PM
Jeremy Doku? Me neither.

https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1680606765812002827

He is a serious talent.
Looks good on Youtube .. Looks and play a bit like Diaby so if its like Romano says it shows how kind of winger we are after. Must have been a - as you say, bluenose that has been on Wiki about him and us.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on July 16, 2023, 05:59:50 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 16, 2023, 05:17:16 PM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 16, 2023, 05:00:12 PM
Jeremy Doku? Me neither.

https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1680606765812002827

He is a serious talent.

His WhoScored ratings and statistics are pretty incredible. Apparently he was the #2 Dribbler across the Top 5 Leagues behind Vini. Injuries seem to be a concern for him.

It’s surprising to see someone like Romano link us with a player on a Sunday. Does anyone else think the club might have fed him the news to pressure Leverkusen? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on July 16, 2023, 06:03:04 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 16, 2023, 05:17:16 PM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 16, 2023, 05:00:12 PM
Jeremy Doku? Me neither.

https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1680606765812002827

He is a serious talent.

Lets just hope he doesn’t turn to the dark side.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 16, 2023, 06:13:16 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on July 16, 2023, 05:05:50 PM

Felix would be great though. I don't think Stan is winding us up but I don't think he knows much either. Anyone who winds up other Villa fanswith transfer bullshittery is an arsehole imo. I don't care if you do it to other clubs but don't do it to your own.

Ironic that one problem child is apparently commenting on another as a potential Villa signing. Fuck no, stay well clear.
I wouldn’t touch Joao Felix either, his club don’t want him, his recent loan club don’t want him and supposedly another club have pulled their interest. We’re not good enough for him? Don’t make me laugh.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: frank black on July 16, 2023, 06:20:57 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on July 16, 2023, 05:05:50 PM
Imagine that big name European forward that got posted on here last week was actually Lukaku.

He gave two of the most disgusting performances in centre forward play I have ever seen (vs Croatia in the World Cup, then the CL final).

I have an irrational dislike of him for that CL game.

Felix would be great though. I don't think Stan is winding us up but I don't think he knows much either. Anyone who winds up other Villa fanswith transfer bullshittery is an arsehole imo. I don't care if you do it to other clubs but don't do it to your own. 

How far back in time do we need to go to see Felix playing well? Every time he played for Chelsea (that I watched) he was awful. This guy has turned his nose up at joining us before and is holding out for CL teams. He may well be brilliant, but if it’s with us, he’d be desperate to leave.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 16, 2023, 07:36:50 PM
			

			

				Weird as the games I saw at Chelsea he played well and in one the commentators made reference to how bad the rest must be when a loan player was working harder and playing better.

He’s definitely a bit lost right now, so is a risk, but playing for Emery, rather than Simone and his hand break, and he could be back up in the world class category.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: jwarry on July 16, 2023, 07:39:50 PM
			

			

				The thing is he would have to fit into Unai’s world. No prima donnas, you have a job to do and you will learn.  He’s young enough to take that on board.  At Chelsea Potter was at sea and I doubt he gave him the time 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: DrGonzo on July 16, 2023, 08:24:10 PM
			

			

				Just seen Romano links to Jeremy Doku... if what he says is true the numbers seem to add up
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Billy Walker on July 16, 2023, 08:37:58 PM
			

			

				*Tin foil hat on* Am I thinking a bit too deeply when I say PIF might be using those Saudi clubs not only to establish their domestic league but to weaken Newcastle's Premier League rivals?  If Newcastle can't spend any more money due to FFP, the next best option for them is to throw spanners into the works of their rivals' plans?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on July 16, 2023, 08:54:33 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 16, 2023, 07:36:50 PM
Weird as the games I saw at Chelsea he played well and in one the commentators made reference to how bad the rest must be when a loan player was working harder and playing better.

He’s definitely a bit lost right now, so is a risk, but playing for Emery, rather than Simone and his hand break, and he could be back up in the world class category.

Looks quality to me. He ran the game at Old Trafford to the point that Gary Neville asked whether his loan would be made permanent or not. The commentator said he didn't think so and Neville remarked that of all the signings Chelsea had made in the last 2 windows, he was the one that looked like he would be worth keeping. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on July 16, 2023, 09:02:40 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Billy Walker on July 16, 2023, 08:37:58 PM
*Tin foil hat on* Am I thinking a bit too deeply when I say PIF might be using those Saudi clubs not only to establish their domestic league but to weaken Newcastle's Premier League rivals?  If Newcastle can't spend any more money due to FFP, the next best option for them is to throw spanners into the works of their rivals' plans?
Yeah and dodgy loan deals.  I am equally as suspect that it is part of a big sports washing strategy that will involve domestic league, newcastle, and sooner or later other clubs they buy.  

Personally - its seems like less effort to, you know, stop state sponsored murders than all this. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Billy Walker on July 16, 2023, 09:09:44 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Beard82 on July 16, 2023, 09:02:40 PM
Quote from: Billy Walker on July 16, 2023, 08:37:58 PM
*Tin foil hat on* Am I thinking a bit too deeply when I say PIF might be using those Saudi clubs not only to establish their domestic league but to weaken Newcastle's Premier League rivals?  If Newcastle can't spend any more money due to FFP, the next best option for them is to throw spanners into the works of their rivals' plans?
Yeah and dodgy loan deals.  I am equally as suspect that it is part of a big sports washing strategy that will involve domestic league, newcastle, and sooner or later other clubs they buy.  

Personally - its seems like less effort to, you know, stop state sponsored murders than all this. 

Yep.  Whatever is going on, it stinks.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: DrGonzo on July 16, 2023, 09:37:17 PM
			

			

				And tennis and golf and....for some reason sports people still seem only to really care about their pay cheque...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: TheMalandro on July 16, 2023, 09:40:55 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: DrGonzo on July 16, 2023, 09:37:17 PM
And tennis and golf and....for some reason sports people still seem only to really care about their pay cheque...

If it’s good enough for Queenie (God rest her soul)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeonW on July 16, 2023, 09:45:43 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Billy Walker on July 16, 2023, 08:37:58 PM
*Tin foil hat on* Am I thinking a bit too deeply when I say PIF might be using those Saudi clubs not only to establish their domestic league but to weaken Newcastle's Premier League rivals?  If Newcastle can't spend any more money due to FFP, the next best option for them is to throw spanners into the works of their rivals' plans?

I actually think it’s the opposite; currently I think it’s helping some of Newcastle’s rivals by Saudi clubs buying talent that is largely unwanted at a Chelsea or others. Potentially £40m for Fabinho who is 30 in a few months and who is starting to show signs of decline is good for Liverpool. If Saudi clubs started signing players the Sky 6 don’t want to sell would be different. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 16, 2023, 10:03:45 PM
			

			

				Yep is Liverpool get £60m to get rid of Henderson and Fabinho they’ve done really well.  Wages gone and cash in the bank.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Stu on July 16, 2023, 10:08:13 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Billy Walker on July 16, 2023, 08:37:58 PM
*Tin foil hat on* Am I thinking a bit too deeply when I say PIF might be using those Saudi clubs not only to establish their domestic league but to weaken Newcastle's Premier League rivals?  If Newcastle can't spend any more money due to FFP, the next best option for them is to throw spanners into the works of their rivals' plans?

Well, more like have one of their Saudi clubs buy the target player because Newcastle can’t spend any money due to FFP, then loan the player to Newcastle. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on July 16, 2023, 10:17:35 PM
			

			

				Within five years they will have their own super league backed by Middle East money
They already own a handful of clubs and that will increase and they will buy their way into a league that they own

We have seen a whole host of players going to Saudi and Middle East because of the incredible amounts of money they can earn, principles mean nothing
It will be no different for actual clubs

I think the Premier League as we know it has only got a few years left
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on July 16, 2023, 10:19:13 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 16, 2023, 05:17:16 PM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 16, 2023, 05:00:12 PM
Jeremy Doku? Me neither.

https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1680606765812002827

He is a serious talent.

Bit injury prone though... 

But you are right, he is a top prospect. Has stupid pace...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Jon Crofts on July 16, 2023, 10:26:47 PM
			

			

				Al Nassr have apparently offered Diaby a shit load of filthy oil money today. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 16, 2023, 10:36:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Jon Crofts on July 16, 2023, 10:26:47 PM
Al Nassr have apparently offered Diaby a shit load of filthy oil money today.

Aren't they banned from signing anyone?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on July 16, 2023, 10:38:41 PM
			

			

				Interesting that Harvey Barnes still hasn't gone anywhere.  Is he the second choice in case the likes of Villa and the barcodes don't get their first choices in? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 16, 2023, 10:43:43 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on July 16, 2023, 10:38:41 PM
Interesting that Harvey Barnes still hasn't gone anywhere.  Is he the second choice in case the likes of Villa and the barcodes don't get their first choices in?

Lots of places saying Newcastle can't buy until they sell. Saint-Maximin specifically seems to the be player they want to offload. Luckily for them there's a PIF Saudi club interested in paying them for him. Nothing suspicious there. 

As far as Barnes goes, I think we were interested to a degree but not enough to make a move. Newcastle have dragged it out so long now that you'd have to think if we really wanted him we'd have tried to make use of that delay. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smithy on July 16, 2023, 10:45:02 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Stu on July 16, 2023, 10:08:13 PM
Quote from: Billy Walker on July 16, 2023, 08:37:58 PM
*Tin foil hat on* Am I thinking a bit too deeply when I say PIF might be using those Saudi clubs not only to establish their domestic league but to weaken Newcastle's Premier League rivals?  If Newcastle can't spend any more money due to FFP, the next best option for them is to throw spanners into the works of their rivals' plans?

Well, more like have one of their Saudi clubs buy the target player because Newcastle can’t spend any money due to FFP, then loan the player to Newcastle. 

I've been waiting for this to happen since the moment they started buying players who are not quite past their peak.  Neves, Kante, Jota - could all do a job for a year if loaned back to a Prem club.  A bit like Lampard's "loan" to Man City when he signed for New York.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 16, 2023, 11:01:47 PM
			

			

				I'd take St Maximin off their hands. Very good player.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 16, 2023, 11:06:43 PM
			

			

				Time to stop messing around. Sign Diaby, sign Doku. We can use both. Actually sign Barnes as well. And Saint-Maximin. If our owners really are rich and serious, sign them all and stop fannying around! 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on July 16, 2023, 11:20:07 PM
			

			

				St maximin is from the same production line as nzogbia, bolasie and adama traore and would have a similar impact for us, massively overated player.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: TheMalandro on July 16, 2023, 11:20:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 16, 2023, 11:06:43 PM
Time to stop messing around. Sign Diaby, sign Doku. We can use both. Actually sign Barnes as well. And Saint-Maximin. If our owners really are rich and serious, sign them all and stop fannying around! 

Now we are talking!

Eff the effers! 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: TheMalandro on July 16, 2023, 11:23:45 PM
			

			

				I’d like to see any team stop a Villa side with Diaby, Doku, Barnes, Saint-Maxmin, N’Zogbia, Bolasie, and Adama in it. 
We really do need to buy up land past the Witton.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 16, 2023, 11:24:55 PM
			

			

				Adama is on a free, get him in as well!!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 16, 2023, 11:28:54 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smithy on July 16, 2023, 10:45:02 PM
Quote from: Stu on July 16, 2023, 10:08:13 PM
Quote from: Billy Walker on July 16, 2023, 08:37:58 PM
*Tin foil hat on* Am I thinking a bit too deeply when I say PIF might be using those Saudi clubs not only to establish their domestic league but to weaken Newcastle's Premier League rivals?  If Newcastle can't spend any more money due to FFP, the next best option for them is to throw spanners into the works of their rivals' plans?

Well, more like have one of their Saudi clubs buy the target player because Newcastle can’t spend any money due to FFP, then loan the player to Newcastle. 

I've been waiting for this to happen since the moment they started buying players who are not quite past their peak.  Neves, Kante, Jota - could all do a job for a year if loaned back to a Prem club.  A bit like Lampard's "loan" to Man City when he signed for New York.

Really don't buy it.

I think LeonW has this correct, and if I were a Newcastle fan I'd be more worried about all the money PIF are throwing at the Saudi league than pleased. My gut feeling is they've seen the constraints that are there in the established structures and have decided "fuck it, we'll have our own structure then". And right now, if they could throw a bundle of cash at a brilliant player to go somewhere, they'd park him at Al-Ittihad over Newcastle. 

Look at it this way - if they wanted Neves or Kante in Newcastle's midfield, they'd probably just put them there rather than spending similar money on Tonali to play the same position, no?

I'm not saying that no Saudi-based player will ever end up at Newcastle, it's perfectly possible. I just don't think that "send a ready-made supply of players to Saudi Arabia in case Newcastle need them" is a conspiracy theory that makes any sense at all.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 16, 2023, 11:41:08 PM
			

			

				Even the premier league would be sharp enough to stamp down on that sort of arrangement straight away. 

Newcastle seem to be having to play by ffp rules hence then not going nuts in the market. 

I just don’t think there’s any room for anyone else to do a Man City these days. Nowhere near as easy.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 16, 2023, 11:41:53 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 16, 2023, 11:01:47 PM
I'd take St Maximin off their hands. Very good player.

He's their modern Ben Arfa, or their current version of our Bertrand Traore. Someone who does three things per game which make you really excited and then you realise they've not actually done anything to help you win a football match since they won goal of the month at the back end of last season. 

Traore scores about twice as regularly for us as Saint-Maximin does for Newcastle.  

Who knows, maybe he's a Messi being stifled by Bruce and Howe and Emery is what he needs. But nothing he's actually done at Newcastle suggests he'd get in our team over Bailey or Traore, let alone the two players we* want to sign to be better than both of them.  

*Sexual Ealing aside.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 16, 2023, 11:44:20 PM
			

			

				Spot on. 

Saint-Maximin is another Traore. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 16, 2023, 11:46:45 PM
			

			

				Martinez, Mings, Pau, and 8 pacy wingers/attackers. Let's see the rest of the league deal with that!!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeonW on July 16, 2023, 11:47:21 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on July 16, 2023, 11:28:54 PM
Quote from: Smithy on July 16, 2023, 10:45:02 PM
Quote from: Stu on July 16, 2023, 10:08:13 PM
Quote from: Billy Walker on July 16, 2023, 08:37:58 PM
*Tin foil hat on* Am I thinking a bit too deeply when I say PIF might be using those Saudi clubs not only to establish their domestic league but to weaken Newcastle's Premier League rivals?  If Newcastle can't spend any more money due to FFP, the next best option for them is to throw spanners into the works of their rivals' plans?

Well, more like have one of their Saudi clubs buy the target player because Newcastle can’t spend any money due to FFP, then loan the player to Newcastle. 

I've been waiting for this to happen since the moment they started buying players who are not quite past their peak.  Neves, Kante, Jota - could all do a job for a year if loaned back to a Prem club.  A bit like Lampard's "loan" to Man City when he signed for New York.

Really don't buy it.

I think LeonW has this correct, and if I were a Newcastle fan I'd be more worried about all the money PIF are throwing at the Saudi league than pleased. My gut feeling is they've seen the constraints that are there in the established structures and have decided "fuck it, we'll have our own structure then". And right now, if they could throw a bundle of cash at a brilliant player to go somewhere, they'd park him at Al-Ittihad over Newcastle. 

Look at it this way - if they wanted Neves or Kante in Newcastle's midfield, they'd probably just put them there rather than spending similar money on Tonali to play the same position, no?

I'm not saying that no Saudi-based player will ever end up at Newcastle, it's perfectly possible. I just don't think that "send a ready-made supply of players to Saudi Arabia in case Newcastle need them" is a conspiracy theory that makes any sense at all.

Yes. I think they’ll always prioritize their league over a club elsewhere. I suspect as much as anything it’s about a league becoming an acceptable face and location for a future World Cup. I honestly don’t think it’s dissimilar to what China tried a few years when they were signing players like Oscar and Carrasco in their prime. It fizzled out and I suspect the same thing will happen with Saudi Arabia. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: TheMalandro on July 16, 2023, 11:59:09 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 16, 2023, 11:46:45 PM
Martinez, Mings, Pau, and 8 pacy wingers/attackers. Let's see the rest of the league deal with that!!

Felix on top, C’mon!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ads on July 17, 2023, 12:00:38 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: TheMalandro on July 16, 2023, 11:59:09 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 16, 2023, 11:46:45 PM
Martinez, Mings, Pau, and 8 pacy wingers/attackers. Let's see the rest of the league deal with that!!

Felix on top, C’mon!

We'd be so lucky.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on July 17, 2023, 12:58:00 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeonW on July 16, 2023, 11:47:21 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 16, 2023, 11:28:54 PM
Quote from: Smithy on July 16, 2023, 10:45:02 PM
Quote from: Stu on July 16, 2023, 10:08:13 PM
Quote from: Billy Walker on July 16, 2023, 08:37:58 PM
*Tin foil hat on* Am I thinking a bit too deeply when I say PIF might be using those Saudi clubs not only to establish their domestic league but to weaken Newcastle's Premier League rivals?  If Newcastle can't spend any more money due to FFP, the next best option for them is to throw spanners into the works of their rivals' plans?

Well, more like have one of their Saudi clubs buy the target player because Newcastle can’t spend any money due to FFP, then loan the player to Newcastle. 

I've been waiting for this to happen since the moment they started buying players who are not quite past their peak.  Neves, Kante, Jota - could all do a job for a year if loaned back to a Prem club.  A bit like Lampard's "loan" to Man City when he signed for New York.

Really don't buy it.

I think LeonW has this correct, and if I were a Newcastle fan I'd be more worried about all the money PIF are throwing at the Saudi league than pleased. My gut feeling is they've seen the constraints that are there in the established structures and have decided "fuck it, we'll have our own structure then". And right now, if they could throw a bundle of cash at a brilliant player to go somewhere, they'd park him at Al-Ittihad over Newcastle. 

Look at it this way - if they wanted Neves or Kante in Newcastle's midfield, they'd probably just put them there rather than spending similar money on Tonali to play the same position, no?

I'm not saying that no Saudi-based player will ever end up at Newcastle, it's perfectly possible. I just don't think that "send a ready-made supply of players to Saudi Arabia in case Newcastle need them" is a conspiracy theory that makes any sense at all.

Yes. I think they’ll always prioritize their league over a club elsewhere. I suspect as much as anything it’s about a league becoming an acceptable face and location for a future World Cup. I honestly don’t think it’s dissimilar to what China tried a few years when they were signing players like Oscar and Carrasco in their prime. It fizzled out and I suspect the same thing will happen with Saudi Arabia.

Caught a discussion about it on Talksport earlier, where a football journalist was saying the same.  He was saying that there might be an initial couple of years of frenzied signings, but it will take a lot more than that to establish anything like a decent competition over there and interest will fizzle out.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeonW on July 17, 2023, 03:38:24 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: tomd2103 on July 17, 2023, 12:58:00 AM
Quote from: LeonW on July 16, 2023, 11:47:21 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 16, 2023, 11:28:54 PM
Quote from: Smithy on July 16, 2023, 10:45:02 PM
Quote from: Stu on July 16, 2023, 10:08:13 PM
Quote from: Billy Walker on July 16, 2023, 08:37:58 PM
*Tin foil hat on* Am I thinking a bit too deeply when I say PIF might be using those Saudi clubs not only to establish their domestic league but to weaken Newcastle's Premier League rivals?  If Newcastle can't spend any more money due to FFP, the next best option for them is to throw spanners into the works of their rivals' plans?

Well, more like have one of their Saudi clubs buy the target player because Newcastle can’t spend any money due to FFP, then loan the player to Newcastle. 

I've been waiting for this to happen since the moment they started buying players who are not quite past their peak.  Neves, Kante, Jota - could all do a job for a year if loaned back to a Prem club.  A bit like Lampard's "loan" to Man City when he signed for New York.

Really don't buy it.

I think LeonW has this correct, and if I were a Newcastle fan I'd be more worried about all the money PIF are throwing at the Saudi league than pleased. My gut feeling is they've seen the constraints that are there in the established structures and have decided "fuck it, we'll have our own structure then". And right now, if they could throw a bundle of cash at a brilliant player to go somewhere, they'd park him at Al-Ittihad over Newcastle. 

Look at it this way - if they wanted Neves or Kante in Newcastle's midfield, they'd probably just put them there rather than spending similar money on Tonali to play the same position, no?

I'm not saying that no Saudi-based player will ever end up at Newcastle, it's perfectly possible. I just don't think that "send a ready-made supply of players to Saudi Arabia in case Newcastle need them" is a conspiracy theory that makes any sense at all.

Yes. I think they’ll always prioritize their league over a club elsewhere. I suspect as much as anything it’s about a league becoming an acceptable face and location for a future World Cup. I honestly don’t think it’s dissimilar to what China tried a few years when they were signing players like Oscar and Carrasco in their prime. It fizzled out and I suspect the same thing will happen with Saudi Arabia.

Caught a discussion about it on Talksport earlier, where a football journalist was saying the same.  He was saying that there might be an initial couple of years of frenzied signings, but it will take a lot more than that to establish anything like a decent competition over there and interest will fizzle out.

At some point, there surely has to be  a return on the money invested. In some form or other. 

In the mean time, the machine of football will exploit the injection of cash whilst they can, just as it has before. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 17, 2023, 05:30:46 AM
			

			

				The trouble is that China is a normal* country. They had to screw the lid because the economics became mental and they ultimately had to account for all the spending. Saudi Arabia is a rogue state that knows its wealth is fleeting and massive, and they have an appetite for gaudy, vulgar, excessive consumption. They won't get bored for a long time.

*It's obviously not 'normal' by western democratic standards, but they have to pay the bills in a way the Saudis just don't.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 17, 2023, 06:10:03 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: john e on July 16, 2023, 10:17:35 PM
Within five years they will have their own super league backed by Middle East money
They already own a handful of clubs and that will increase and they will buy their way into a league that they own

We have seen a whole host of players going to Saudi and Middle East because of the incredible amounts of money they can earn, principles mean nothing
It will be no different for actual clubs

I think the Premier League as we know it has only got a few years left

That’s my hunch too. It’ll be interesting to see what sort of tv deal the Saudi league gets as that could give them the validation to expand like you’ve indicated.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeonW on July 17, 2023, 06:36:10 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 17, 2023, 05:30:46 AM
The trouble is that China is a normal* country. They had to screw the lid because the economics became mental and they ultimately had to account for all the spending. Saudi Arabia is a rogue state that knows its wealth is fleeting and massive, and they have an appetite for gaudy, vulgar, excessive consumption. They won't get bored for a long time.

*It's obviously not 'normal' by western democratic standards, but they have to pay the bills in a way the Saudis just don't.

It’s the ‘exciting phase’ of buying new toys right now and grabbing attention. But that’s the easy bit. Will they keep pumping in money indefinitely for something that may actually be of little interest to the wider world over the long term? That must be the aim. I don’t think this is about developing football locally. I think the thrill will die sooner than expected. This is different to say, the golf. Once the new season rolls round and supporters start watching their clubs, it’ll be back to business as usual. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeonW on July 17, 2023, 06:43:11 AM
			

			

				The appointment of Steven Gerrard as a manager, is the Saudi league in a microcosm; all about the name only, as he’s not going to make his players or the standard of his team any better. But he’s a name.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RamboandBruno on July 17, 2023, 07:48:52 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on July 16, 2023, 11:20:07 PM
St maximin is from the same production line as nzogbia, bolasie and adama traore and would have a similar impact for us, massively overated player.
Completely agree with this
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rigadon on July 17, 2023, 07:59:29 AM
			

			

				St Maximin is exactly the kind of player who will end up in Saudi Arabia for a massive fee. I’ve never understood the hype.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Mister E on July 17, 2023, 08:26:52 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: john e on July 16, 2023, 10:17:35 PM
Within five years they will have their own super league backed by Middle East money
They already own a handful of clubs and that will increase and they will buy their way into a league that they own
We have seen a whole host of players going to Saudi and Middle East because of the incredible amounts of money they can earn, principles mean nothing
It will be no different for actual clubs
I think the Premier League as we know it has only got a few years left
 Certainly, the growth of the Saudi league will certainly create more competition amongst the TV companies and therefore the Premier League may see a reduction in revenue. But I don't see it as either / or: I see both leagues potentially pushing for further world growth in football viewing.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on July 17, 2023, 08:49:09 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeonW on July 17, 2023, 06:36:10 AM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 17, 2023, 05:30:46 AM
The trouble is that China is a normal* country. They had to screw the lid because the economics became mental and they ultimately had to account for all the spending. Saudi Arabia is a rogue state that knows its wealth is fleeting and massive, and they have an appetite for gaudy, vulgar, excessive consumption. They won't get bored for a long time.

*It's obviously not 'normal' by western democratic standards, but they have to pay the bills in a way the Saudis just don't.

It’s the ‘exciting phase’ of buying new toys right now and grabbing attention. But that’s the easy bit. Will they keep pumping in money indefinitely for something that may actually be of little interest to the wider world over the long term? That must be the aim. I don’t think this is about developing football locally. I think the thrill will die sooner than expected. This is different to say, the golf. Once the new season rolls round and supporters start watching their clubs, it’ll be back to business as usual.
Kind of agree with you both.

I think Saudi Arabia will be more patient with pumping money in, and will keep it coming for longer. However, ultimately they'll be hampered by geography. They ain't in Europe and aren't likely to be , and without the Champions League it'll struggle to ever be seen as top level football - or even football on a par with the domestic leagues in Brazil or Argentina.

If their aim is to compete with MLS or the Dutch league then fair enough, they'll be able to get to that sort of level. Think going further than that will involve more than just long term investment in Saudi Arabia - it'll need them to compete in a continental competition on a par with the Champions League or Copa Libertadores. It'll need strength outside a 'big 4' teams, sustained funding of the grassroots sport,  ..

I dunno, I just can't see the Saudi league properly threatening the Portuguese league, let alone the Premier League, over the next couple of decades. And an awful lot can change in that time.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 17, 2023, 08:52:12 AM
			

			

				I've never been to Saudi Arabia, and have absolutely no desire to. But isn't it a bit dodgy for Westerners in a lot of parts over there?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on July 17, 2023, 08:59:33 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on July 17, 2023, 08:52:12 AM
I've never been to Saudi Arabia, and have absolutely no desire to. But isn't it a bit dodgy for Westerners in a lot of parts over there?

I'd be risking execution, so have to say yes!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villatillidie25 on July 17, 2023, 09:09:11 AM
			

			

				feel this needs elaborating on... :P

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: London Villan on July 17, 2023, 09:15:47 AM
			

			

				What are the crowds going to be like? Part of what makes the Premier League an attraction is full stadiums, will that happen there?


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 17, 2023, 09:17:46 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: London Villan on July 17, 2023, 09:15:47 AM
What are the crowds going to be like? Part of what makes the Premier League an attraction is full stadiums, will that happen there?

Al-Ittihad's average attendance was over 40,000 last season.

Gerrard's Al Ettifaq on the other hand, more like 6,000.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on July 17, 2023, 09:31:28 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Villatillidie25 on July 17, 2023, 09:09:11 AM
feel this needs elaborating on... :P

Nothing exciting, just that homosexuality is illegal in Saudi Arabia and punishable by prison, lashes, and potentially death if they so decide.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 17, 2023, 09:38:50 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 17, 2023, 09:31:28 AM
Quote from: Villatillidie25 on July 17, 2023, 09:09:11 AM
feel this needs elaborating on... :P

Nothing exciting, just that homosexuality is illegal in Saudi Arabia and punishable by prison, lashes, and potentially death if they so decide.


They are also pretty fair with women as well aren't they ? 

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villatillidie25 on July 17, 2023, 09:47:57 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on July 17, 2023, 09:38:50 AM
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 17, 2023, 09:31:28 AM
Quote from: Villatillidie25 on July 17, 2023, 09:09:11 AM
feel this needs elaborating on... :P

Nothing exciting, just that homosexuality is illegal in Saudi Arabia and punishable by prison, lashes, and potentially death if they so decide.


They are also pretty fair with women as well aren't they ? 

nothing a bit of sports washing won't cover over [shakes head glumly]
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 17, 2023, 09:47:58 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on July 17, 2023, 09:17:46 AM
Gerrard's Al Ettifaq on the other hand, more like 6,000.

The only way watching Gerrardball could be more depressing - played out in front of 6,000 in a vile state like Saudi Arabia.

#savethe6000

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 17, 2023, 09:57:57 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 17, 2023, 09:31:28 AM
Quote from: Villatillidie25 on July 17, 2023, 09:09:11 AM
feel this needs elaborating on... :P

Nothing exciting, just that homosexuality is illegal in Saudi Arabia and punishable by prison, lashes, and potentially death if they so decide.

Can't imagine what that must feel like, knowing that in some parts of the world you could be executed just because you've fallen in love with somebody they don't agree with. Neanderthal twats.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on July 17, 2023, 09:59:29 AM
			

			

				Yep, utterly horrendous. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: TheMalandro on July 17, 2023, 10:03:50 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 17, 2023, 09:31:28 AM
Quote from: Villatillidie25 on July 17, 2023, 09:09:11 AM
feel this needs elaborating on... :P

Nothing exciting, just that homosexuality is illegal in Saudi Arabia and punishable by prison, lashes, and potentially death if they so decide.

And I was thinking you were a Sorcerer Dogtanian! 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 17, 2023, 10:05:15 AM
			

			

				I might be being a bit judgmental but a place that is too fcuking hot, has lots of sand, where you struggle to get a legal drink, where you can have your hands chopped off for the slightest misdemeanour, where you can be stoned to death for loving someone of the same sex, doesn't exactly strike me as the most appealing place to work.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 17, 2023, 10:05:59 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on July 17, 2023, 10:05:15 AM
I might be being a bit judgmental but a place that is too fcuking hot, has lots of sand, where you struggle to get a legal drink, where you can have your hands chopped off for the slightest misdemeanour, where you can be stoned to death for loving someone of the same sex, doesn't exactly strike me as the most appealing place to work.  

On the other hand, if you've grown up in Liverpool...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 17, 2023, 10:06:16 AM
			

			

				It is why I don't ever desire to go to places even like Dubai - I just don't find them appealing whatsoever.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: TheMalandro on July 17, 2023, 10:07:07 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on July 17, 2023, 10:06:16 AM
It is why I don't ever desire to go to places even like Dubai - I just don't find them appealing whatsoever.

Same.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Duncan Shaw on July 17, 2023, 10:08:12 AM
			

			

				I'm sure, however, imported footballers on millions of dollars a month are going to see a very sanitised view of the country they are flocking to.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on July 17, 2023, 10:08:47 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on July 17, 2023, 10:05:15 AM
I might be being a bit judgmental but a place that is too fcuking hot, has lots of sand, where you struggle to get a legal drink, where you can have your hands chopped off for the slightest misdemeanour, where you can be stoned to death for loving someone of the same sex, doesn't exactly strike me as the most appealing place to work.  
Particularly when the players going there will already have more money than they'll ever be able to spend.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smithy on July 17, 2023, 10:15:17 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on July 16, 2023, 11:28:54 PM
Quote from: Smithy on July 16, 2023, 10:45:02 PM
Quote from: Stu on July 16, 2023, 10:08:13 PM
Quote from: Billy Walker on July 16, 2023, 08:37:58 PM
*Tin foil hat on* Am I thinking a bit too deeply when I say PIF might be using those Saudi clubs not only to establish their domestic league but to weaken Newcastle's Premier League rivals?  If Newcastle can't spend any more money due to FFP, the next best option for them is to throw spanners into the works of their rivals' plans?

Well, more like have one of their Saudi clubs buy the target player because Newcastle can’t spend any money due to FFP, then loan the player to Newcastle. 

I've been waiting for this to happen since the moment they started buying players who are not quite past their peak.  Neves, Kante, Jota - could all do a job for a year if loaned back to a Prem club.  A bit like Lampard's "loan" to Man City when he signed for New York.

Really don't buy it.

I think LeonW has this correct, and if I were a Newcastle fan I'd be more worried about all the money PIF are throwing at the Saudi league than pleased. My gut feeling is they've seen the constraints that are there in the established structures and have decided "fuck it, we'll have our own structure then". And right now, if they could throw a bundle of cash at a brilliant player to go somewhere, they'd park him at Al-Ittihad over Newcastle. 

Look at it this way - if they wanted Neves or Kante in Newcastle's midfield, they'd probably just put them there rather than spending similar money on Tonali to play the same position, no?

I'm not saying that no Saudi-based player will ever end up at Newcastle, it's perfectly possible. I just don't think that "send a ready-made supply of players to Saudi Arabia in case Newcastle need them" is a conspiracy theory that makes any sense at all.

I'm not suggesting that's WHY they're doing it. I have no doubt they genuinely want a Saudi super league that stands above all others (not that they'll get it). I just think it could prove a nice way around FFP if a Saudi team were to "happen" to have a player Newcastle might like.  It might not happen, but I won't be the least bit surprised if it does.  Either a loan, or a cut-price sale back to the Premier League for an expensively acquired player who "can't settle". 

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 17, 2023, 10:20:22 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on July 17, 2023, 10:05:15 AM
I might be being a bit judgmental but a place that is too fcuking hot, has lots of sand, where you struggle to get a legal drink, where you can have your hands chopped off for the slightest misdemeanour, where you can be stoned to death for loving someone of the same sex, doesn't exactly strike me as the most appealing place to work.  

One point for a minority of players (thinking particularly of Benzema and Kante, but others that could be tempted like Mahrez, Pogba and Mane), the opportunity to play in an Islamic country might actually be part of the appeal rather than just something that you have to put up with to get the cash.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 17, 2023, 10:21:17 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on July 17, 2023, 10:20:22 AM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on July 17, 2023, 10:05:15 AM
I might be being a bit judgmental but a place that is too fcuking hot, has lots of sand, where you struggle to get a legal drink, where you can have your hands chopped off for the slightest misdemeanour, where you can be stoned to death for loving someone of the same sex, doesn't exactly strike me as the most appealing place to work.  

One point for a minority of players (thinking particularly of Benzema and Kante, but others that could be tempted like Mahrez, Pogba and Mane) the opportunity to play in an Islamic country might actually be part of the draw rather than just something that you have to put up with to get the cash.

I thought similar - not so much that it'd be part of the draw, but that it would be significantly less of a culture shock for muslim players than non-muslim moving over there.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 17, 2023, 10:30:24 AM
			

			

				Apparently Gerrard and the foreign players at his club will be living in Bahrain, which is a liberal place (comparatively). 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on July 17, 2023, 10:42:58 AM
			

			

				I know the club Gerrard is going to fail at isnt apparently govt owned but think we can take that with a huge pinch of salt….strikes me they are positioning themselves to be the next owners of Liverpool knowing it is for sale…pumping money in in fees for has beens & employing useless club legends feels like a first step in investing….greasing (or oiling) the wheels??  That is the type of club that they can get their grubby fingers on to kick off the next ESL etc
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on July 17, 2023, 10:49:57 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Gareth on July 17, 2023, 10:42:58 AM
I know the club Gerrard is going to fail at isnt apparently govt owned but think we can take that with a huge pinch of salt….strikes me they are positioning themselves to be the next owners of Liverpool knowing it is for sale…pumping money in in fees for has beens & employing useless club legends feels like a first step in investing….greasing (or oiling) the wheels??  That is the type of club that they can get their grubby fingers on to kick off the next ESL etc

I have a friend who's a big Liverpool fan and he's worried about exactly this, he's adamant that he'll walk away if they get taken over by someone like that, after over 20 years as a season ticket holder.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 17, 2023, 10:58:05 AM
			

			

				Until they start winning leagues, champions leagues, FA Cups and League Cups etc.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 17, 2023, 11:10:29 AM
			

			

				Anyhow, we need to get on with signings - it is all about integrating them quickly.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on July 17, 2023, 11:26:46 AM
			

			

				Couple of forwards and a right back and we are pretty well covered unless players leave. Being reliant on Watkins without serious competion worries me. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on July 17, 2023, 11:28:04 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on July 17, 2023, 11:10:29 AM
Anyhow, we need to get on with signings - it is all about integrating them quickly.

We've signed two. Why are you acting like an impatient kid on Twitter?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: lovejoy on July 17, 2023, 11:28:26 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on July 16, 2023, 08:02:19 AM
Just to take this off topic for a moment... 

Fabrizio Romano

Moussa Diaby to Aston Villa, here we go! Verbal agreement in place with Bayer Leverkusen after €55m plus add-ons bid sent this week. 🚨🟣🟣#AVFC

Deal in place, player only wanted Villa— understand medical tests have been scheduled at beginning of next week.

Done, sealed. ✔️

if true this is good news, I follow Romano and he's usually pretty reliable but I missed this from his feed so I'm dubious about its veracity.

Where did you see this Drummond? twitter? genuine account?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Jon Crofts on July 17, 2023, 11:29:13 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 17, 2023, 10:30:24 AM
Apparently Gerrard and the foreign players at his club will be living in Bahrain, which is a liberal place (comparatively). 

Quite possibly the dullest middle eastern state I've ever visited, bloody hell, I cannot imagine living there even with the riches that would come with it.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 17, 2023, 11:31:36 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: lovejoy on July 17, 2023, 11:28:26 AM
Quote from: Drummond on July 16, 2023, 08:02:19 AM
Just to take this off topic for a moment... 

Fabrizio Romano

Moussa Diaby to Aston Villa, here we go! Verbal agreement in place with Bayer Leverkusen after €55m plus add-ons bid sent this week. 🚨🟣🟣#AVFC

Deal in place, player only wanted Villa— understand medical tests have been scheduled at beginning of next week.

Done, sealed. ✔️

if true this is good news, I follow Romano and he's usually pretty reliable but I missed this from his feed so I'm dubious about its veracity.

Where did you see this Drummond? twitter? genuine account?

As Drummond posted yesterday, it's fake account.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john2710 on July 17, 2023, 11:33:05 AM
			

			

				I don't think the Saudi's want to compete with the Premier League, they're looking to be the best league in that region & to get fans there to watch the games in person or on TV. Nobody in Europe or South America will watch it.

They might however create & finance a Super League. It's worked with golf & they now have a seat at that table. The financial issues with clubs in Spain & Italy is an ideal opportunity for them to offer those clubs a way out of debt.

They're looking forward 20 years + when the oil money runs out.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: lovejoy on July 17, 2023, 11:36:33 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on July 17, 2023, 11:31:36 AM
Quote from: lovejoy on July 17, 2023, 11:28:26 AM
Quote from: Drummond on July 16, 2023, 08:02:19 AM
Just to take this off topic for a moment... 

Fabrizio Romano

Moussa Diaby to Aston Villa, here we go! Verbal agreement in place with Bayer Leverkusen after €55m plus add-ons bid sent this week. 🚨🟣🟣#AVFC

Deal in place, player only wanted Villa— understand medical tests have been scheduled at beginning of next week.

Done, sealed. ✔️

if true this is good news, I follow Romano and he's usually pretty reliable but I missed this from his feed so I'm dubious about its veracity.

Where did you see this Drummond? twitter? genuine account?

As Drummond posted yesterday, it's fake account.

Bugger, he's left the post up though I see.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on July 17, 2023, 11:45:33 AM
			

			

				I still expect to see Neves pop up at Newcastle next season. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bobby Boy on July 17, 2023, 11:56:50 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on March 30, 2023, 05:27:59 PM
Tammy Abraham is not good enough. 

Even in the season we went up and he scored a stack that season, he still missed a high number of real sitters.

He's a second or third tier striker at best. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on July 17, 2023, 12:08:45 PM
			

			

				The night he got 5 vs Forest, he missed the 4 easiest chances. Should have walked away with 8-9 on his own that night. Went missing a lot in games for me. Decent backup/ competition for Watkins but certainly not a improvement
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on July 17, 2023, 12:11:56 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bobby Boy on July 17, 2023, 11:56:50 AM
Quote from: Smirker on March 30, 2023, 05:27:59 PM
Tammy Abraham is not good enough. 

Even in the season we went up and he scored a stack that season, he still missed a high number of real sitters.

He's a second or third tier striker at best. 

Second or third tier striker? Really? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RichardBatchelor on July 17, 2023, 12:17:54 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ozzjim on July 17, 2023, 12:08:45 PM
The night he got 5 vs Forest, he missed the 4 easiest chances. Should have walked away with 8-9 on his own that night. Went missing a lot in games for me. Decent backup/ competition for Watkins but certainly not a improvement

Come on though, when does ANY striker score 8 or 9 in a game?

Unless your name’s Joe Payne.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on July 17, 2023, 12:18:28 PM
			

			

				As prolific as Andy Cole was, he still used to miss plenty of chances. All strikers do. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on July 17, 2023, 12:26:52 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ozzjim on July 17, 2023, 12:08:45 PM
The night he got 5 vs Forest, he missed the 4 easiest chances. Should have walked away with 8-9 on his own that night. Went missing a lot in games for me. Decent backup/ competition for Watkins but certainly not a improvement

But he still scored 5.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on July 17, 2023, 12:27:02 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: john2710 on July 17, 2023, 11:33:05 AM
I don't think the Saudi's want to compete with the Premier League, they're looking to be the best league in that region & to get fans there to watch the games in person or on TV. Nobody in Europe or South America will watch it.

They might however create & finance a Super League. It's worked with golf & they now have a seat at that table. The financial issues with clubs in Spain & Italy is an ideal opportunity for them to offer those clubs a way out of debt.

They're looking forward 20 years + when the oil money runs out.

They could do, but I imagine UEFA, the Premier League and the respective international FAs would play hardball in a way that the golfing authorities didn't.  I don't know what the legal implications would have been, but if the golfing authorities had said no majors and no Ryder Cup if you join LIV then it might have been a bit different.

I imagine any clubs wanting to join a Saudi breakaway competition would be told no European competition, no Premier League and the players will no longer be considered for international selection. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on July 17, 2023, 12:31:00 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 16, 2023, 09:14:36 AM
Quote from: Drummond on July 16, 2023, 08:13:08 AM
No. I fell for a spoof. FFS

Was it that clown with about 75 followers?

What’s the point of accounts like that?

To piss people off.

Not having a go at Drummond but the post should be edited now as I've just fallen for it based on seeing it on here. 😡
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 17, 2023, 12:31:38 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on July 17, 2023, 12:31:00 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 16, 2023, 09:14:36 AM
Quote from: Drummond on July 16, 2023, 08:13:08 AM
No. I fell for a spoof. FFS

Was it that clown with about 75 followers?

What’s the point of accounts like that?

To piss people off.

Not having a go at Drummond but the post should be edited now as I've just fallen for it based on seeing it on here. 😡

Or people could just keep reading about three posts further down?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: London Villan on July 17, 2023, 12:35:08 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ozzjim on July 17, 2023, 12:08:45 PM
The night he got 5 vs Forest, he missed the 4 easiest chances. Should have walked away with 8-9 on his own that night. Went missing a lot in games for me. Decent backup/ competition for Watkins but certainly not a improvement

Tammy is probably as close to Watkins as you can get. They'd struggle to play together though.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 17, 2023, 12:36:25 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clampy on July 17, 2023, 11:28:04 AM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on July 17, 2023, 11:10:29 AM
Anyhow, we need to get on with signings - it is all about integrating them quickly.

We've signed two. Why are you acting like an impatient kid on Twitter?

Clamps - stop being silly.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 17, 2023, 12:37:10 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clampy on July 17, 2023, 12:11:56 PM
Quote from: Bobby Boy on July 17, 2023, 11:56:50 AM
Quote from: Smirker on March 30, 2023, 05:27:59 PM
Tammy Abraham is not good enough. 

Even in the season we went up and he scored a stack that season, he still missed a high number of real sitters.

He's a second or third tier striker at best. 

Second or third tier striker? Really? 

For once I agree that is a ridiculous comment.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on July 17, 2023, 12:38:30 PM
			

			

				By tier I took him to mean within the Premier League. He can’t possibly have meant Championship and League 1.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 17, 2023, 12:41:06 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on July 17, 2023, 12:37:10 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 17, 2023, 12:11:56 PM
Quote from: Bobby Boy on July 17, 2023, 11:56:50 AM
Quote from: Smirker on March 30, 2023, 05:27:59 PM
Tammy Abraham is not good enough. 

Even in the season we went up and he scored a stack that season, he still missed a high number of real sitters.

He's a second or third tier striker at best. 

Second or third tier striker? Really? 

For once I agree that is a ridiculous comment.

I read that as second or third tier in the Premier League, rather than Championship or League 1. Eg if Kane, Salah and Haaland are top tier, then it wouldn't be unfair to call the likes of Watkins, Wilson and Toney second tier. I might be wrong of course.


edit: as Paul has also just said.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on July 17, 2023, 12:41:21 PM
			

			

				I took it the same. Sort of a 6-10th prem club tier, not a top 2/4 club starter. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 17, 2023, 12:42:23 PM
			

			

				I believe the idea behind all the sports investment from Saudi is to replace the oil money that's drying up. So in that respect its more about making them a destination for sports, which will become a long term economic driver for the state. 

They've been holding massive tennis exhibitions for years and only recently did people start questioning the players who took the cash to go and play. Probably angling for a Masters event there.

They've got the golf locked down. And as pointed out before, the football World Cup is an aim of theirs. Although I know people do travel for football, a lot, I don't see how they could create a league that could create an attraction in the same way a Barca/Madrid match might, for example. At least not on a global stage. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on July 17, 2023, 12:42:52 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 17, 2023, 12:38:30 PM
By tier I took him to mean within the Premier League. He can’t possibly have meant Championship and League 1.

I agree, I'd assume it goes something like:
tier 1 - world class: Haaland, Kane, etc
tier 2 - consistently good in the premier league: Wilson, Toney, Watkins, etc
tier 3 - capable of a good season but also could go missing: Solanke, Bamford, Mitrovic, etc

I'd agree as well, Abraham would be 2 or 3 on that scale 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 17, 2023, 12:46:42 PM
			

			

				Fair enough.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 17, 2023, 12:49:53 PM
			

			

				I like to think that if I were a top class player at the tail end of my career and with millions already in the bank that i'd either publically tell them to go fuck themselves, or take their money. And then use every penny they paid me from day one to support LGBT causes around the world. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on July 17, 2023, 12:50:20 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on July 17, 2023, 12:36:25 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 17, 2023, 11:28:04 AM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on July 17, 2023, 11:10:29 AM
Anyhow, we need to get on with signings - it is all about integrating them quickly.

We've signed two. Why are you acting like an impatient kid on Twitter?

Clamps - stop being silly.

I don't understand the impatience. You whinged about how long the Torres signing took and you have barely mentionied him now he's here. Transfers take time, they always have and they always will. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 17, 2023, 12:52:35 PM
			

			

				My posts come in peaks and troughs so I may not get round to commenting on something for some time not that I should have to justify commenting either way to you.  Anyway, make friends, break friends forever gonna be friends etc.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 17, 2023, 12:55:16 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 17, 2023, 12:49:53 PM
I like to think that if I were a top class player at the tail end of my career and with millions already in the bank that i'd either publically tell them to go fuck themselves, or take their money. And then use every penny they paid me from day one to support LGBT causes around the world.

This is the thing that really bugs me. Everyone they're signing is already set up for life, unless they've been really stupid with their money. So the lure of 25 million for a year, or whatever it is, should not be enough to make already very wealthy people throw away all moral reasoning. 

That said, there's a lot of countries around the world with very questionable human rights records these days. The US, for example, is an awful place for many people at the moment, but we don't seem to judge it the same way when people do business with them. People praising Messi for going to Miami, of all places, over Saudi, is really bar on the floor stuff. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV82EC on July 17, 2023, 12:57:13 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 17, 2023, 12:55:16 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 17, 2023, 12:49:53 PM
I like to think that if I were a top class player at the tail end of my career and with millions already in the bank that i'd either publically tell them to go fuck themselves, or take their money. And then use every penny they paid me from day one to support LGBT causes around the world.

This is the thing that really bugs me. Everyone they're signing is already set up for life, unless they've been really stupid with their money. So the lure of 25 million for a year, or whatever it is, should not be enough to make already very wealthy people throw away all moral reasoning. 

That said, there's a lot of countries around the world with very questionable human rights records these days. The US, for example, is an awful place for many people at the moment, but we don't seem to judge it the same way when people do business with them. People praising Messi for going to Miami, of all places, over Saudi, is really bar on the floor stuff.

Are you seriously comparing Miami with Saudi? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ger Regan on July 17, 2023, 01:01:51 PM
			

			

				Florida is hardly a beacon of hope for the lgbtq+ community, or people of colour. A number of organisations have issued travel warnings for the state, so while they're not at the level of Saudi Arabia, it is a fair comparison.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 17, 2023, 01:05:02 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ger Regan on July 17, 2023, 01:01:51 PM
Florida is hardly a beacon of hope for the lgbtq+ community, or people of colour. A number of organisations have issued travel warnings for the state, so while they're not at the level of Saudi Arabia, it is a fair comparison.

Come off it, to compare the two in any way is simply ridiculous.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on July 17, 2023, 01:08:13 PM
			

			

				I know we like to think how we would react when offered crazy amounts of money by regimes like Saudi Qatar but the reality is most people put them selves first, it’s human nature.
We should also consider that their per group is made up of extremely wealthy individuals and what most see as extreme riches a well paid PL player sees it as normal.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on July 17, 2023, 01:09:09 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on July 17, 2023, 01:05:02 PM
Quote from: Ger Regan on July 17, 2023, 01:01:51 PM
Florida is hardly a beacon of hope for the lgbtq+ community, or people of colour. A number of organisations have issued travel warnings for the state, so while they're not at the level of Saudi Arabia, it is a fair comparison.

Come off it, to compare the two in any way is simply ridiculous.
Yes, that’s just plain daft.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Simon Page on July 17, 2023, 01:11:44 PM
			

			

				It would be crazy it it was claimed the US is as bad as Saudi Arabia. But it wasn't, so it isn't.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 17, 2023, 01:16:09 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV82EC on July 17, 2023, 12:57:13 PM
Are you seriously comparing Miami with Saudi?

There are a lot of direct comparisons, yes. Florida, and some other states, are basically the Christian equivalent of Islamic states. An awful lot of government institutions in the US are inherently racist by virtue of having been set up to be racist. Women had more rights in the 50s than they do now. They still teach the bible instead of evolution in some places.  Etc. etc. etc. 

But my point was simply that we Westerners seem to judge human rights abuses in certain places a lot harsher than we do in other places. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on July 17, 2023, 01:16:28 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Simon Page on July 17, 2023, 01:11:44 PM
It would be crazy it it was claimed the US is as bad as Saudi Arabia. But it wasn't, so it isn't.
No, that was not the context.
But the comparison is.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dave shelley on July 17, 2023, 01:18:13 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ozzjim on July 17, 2023, 12:08:45 PM
The night he got 5 vs Forest, he missed the 4 easiest chances. Should have walked away with 8-9 on his own that night. Went missing a lot in games for me. Decent backup/ competition for Watkins but certainly not a improvement

I think Abraham got 4 that night, pretty sure El Ghazi got the other.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 17, 2023, 01:18:53 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Billy Walker on July 16, 2023, 08:37:58 PM
*Tin foil hat on* Am I thinking a bit too deeply when I say PIF might be using those Saudi clubs not only to establish their domestic league but to weaken Newcastle's Premier League rivals?  If Newcastle can't spend any more money due to FFP, the next best option for them is to throw spanners into the works of their rivals' plans?
Quote from: ChicagoLion on July 17, 2023, 01:16:28 PM
Quote from: Simon Page on July 17, 2023, 01:11:44 PM
It would be crazy it it was claimed the US is as bad as Saudi Arabia. But it wasn't, so it isn't.
No, that was not the context.
But the comparison is.

I don't see this totally because they haven't signed Harry Kane, Haaland, De Bruyne, Salah, or Fernandes as examples.I do think the money is talking, and basically, the Premier League will find they may have to merge and have games over there in the whole. Its like that saying: "f you can't beat them, join them"
Like it or not, it's a real threat, and like golf, all it takes is a statement signing by one of the top 5 players in the Prem at their peak to make the move.
It's fascinating to see how clubs and the Premier league clubs react.We all know what happened with the Golf.


 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on July 17, 2023, 01:20:23 PM
			

			

				You can buy a beer in Florida, wear want you want, women can dress how they want, go out alone, drive and own a car, you can worship wherever you want. There are LGBT communities in every city with bars and clubs operating without restrictions etc etc 
Yes Just like Saudi.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 17, 2023, 01:21:23 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 17, 2023, 12:55:16 PM
This is the thing that really bugs me. Everyone they're signing is already set up for life, unless they've been really stupid with their money. So the lure of 25 million for a year, or whatever it is, should not be enough to make already very wealthy people throw away all moral reasoning. 

But we're in the intellectually comfortable position of being able to treat such things as a thought experiment rather than a life decision, knowing that we'll never actually have to make that choice.

Anyone can say that they'd take a clean conscience and £5m over a bit of guilt and £10m when it's someone else's money they are playing with.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 17, 2023, 01:21:59 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 17, 2023, 01:16:09 PM
Quote from: AV82EC on July 17, 2023, 12:57:13 PM
Are you seriously comparing Miami with Saudi?

There are a lot of direct comparisons, yes. Florida, and some other states, are basically the Christian equivalent of Islamic states. An awful lot of government institutions in the US are inherently racist by virtue of having been set up to be racist. Women had more rights in the 50s than they do now. They still teach the bible instead of evolution in some places.  Etc. etc. etc. 

But my point was simply that we Westerners seem to judge human rights abuses in certain places a lot harsher than we do in other places.

Utter fucking drivel.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 17, 2023, 01:22:52 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Duncan Shaw on July 17, 2023, 10:08:12 AM
I'm sure, however, imported footballers on millions of dollars a month are going to see a very sanitised view of the country they are flocking to.

Yes players and coaches follow the money.
Especially in this day and age.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 17, 2023, 01:27:33 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 17, 2023, 01:18:53 PM

I don't see this totally because they haven't signed Harry Kane, Haaland, De Bruyne, Salah, or Fernandes as examples.I do think the money is talking, and basically, the Premier League will find they may have to merge and have games over there in the whole. Its like that saying: "f you can't beat them, join them"
Like it or not, it's a real threat, and like golf, all it takes is a statement signing by one of the top 5 players in the Prem at their peak to make the move.
It's fascinating to see how clubs and the Premier league clubs react.We all know what happened with the Golf.


It's a bit different with golf though Footy, as obviously the sport is just a collection of individuals competing against each other, and if you get say, ten of the top 20 players then you've essentially taken over half the sport. With football, there are always going to be the teams remaining even if some of the top players are picked off, and taking enough players to destabilise all of the major European leagues would be very difficult indeed, even for them. You're right to be worried though, it's obviously a major development and one that isn't good.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on July 17, 2023, 01:29:01 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 17, 2023, 12:55:16 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 17, 2023, 12:49:53 PM
I like to think that if I were a top class player at the tail end of my career and with millions already in the bank that i'd either publically tell them to go fuck themselves, or take their money. And then use every penny they paid me from day one to support LGBT causes around the world.

This is the thing that really bugs me. Everyone they're signing is already set up for life, unless they've been really stupid with their money. So the lure of 25 million for a year, or whatever it is, should not be enough to make already very wealthy people throw away all moral reasoning. 

That said, there's a lot of countries around the world with very questionable human rights records these days. The US, for example, is an awful place for many people at the moment, but we don't seem to judge it the same way when people do business with them. People praising Messi for going to Miami, of all places, over Saudi, is really bar on the floor stuff.

No, it's not. It's filled with a bunch of people who don't travel enough to realize how fortunate they are. Often occupied by first world problems, these people who claim its an "awful" place have never been anywhere awful. Turn off your television, this comment is ridiculous. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ads on July 17, 2023, 01:30:46 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ChicagoLion on July 17, 2023, 01:20:23 PM
You can buy a beer in Florida, wear want you want, women can dress how they want, go out alone, drive and own a car, you can worship wherever you want. There are LGBT communities in every city with bars and clubs operating without restrictions etc etc 
Yes Just like Saudi.

Spring Break in Riyadh would be er, interesting. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on July 17, 2023, 01:31:04 PM
			

			

				After the ESL we all wait to see what the next incarnation of “globalising the game” will be. It wouldn’t be a surprise if the next move comes from Or is backed by the Saudis.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Goldenballs on July 17, 2023, 01:31:07 PM
			

			

				Using Mahrez as an example, a 32 year old offered a contract worth £25m a year is going to be hard to turn down. £75m over a 3 year deal? 

I'd like to think I'd take a stand, but in reality I doubt I would. Although I don't think they do a suncream with a high enough spf factor for me to go there with my skin colour (or lack of) 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on July 17, 2023, 01:32:00 PM
			

			

				If football clubs themselves don’t stand up to this and force the governing bodies to step in then this only gets worse. What’s happening can’t be proved entirely. That is Newcastle or Chelsea are using PIF or the like to offset FFP. But it sure seems that way. Very convenient how Chelsea mainly having signed a load of players are able to find homes quickly for many of them or Newcastle will creatively find places for players to go while they invest in players they actually want. If football wants to stay competitive and fair, (don’t laugh at the back), then there needs to be transparency as to what the Saudis are doing. Especially clubs with shared ownership. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: KevinGage on July 17, 2023, 01:32:56 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on July 17, 2023, 10:05:15 AM
I might be being a bit judgmental but a place that is too fcuking hot, has lots of sand, where you struggle to get a legal drink, where you can have your hands chopped off for the slightest misdemeanour, where you can be stoned to death for loving someone of the same sex, doesn't exactly strike me as the most appealing place to work.  

Gerrard said he got a 'real family vibe' when he arrived. And that family is the most important thing. Maybe Scouseland is worse than we thought. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Simon Page on July 17, 2023, 01:33:20 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ChicagoLion on July 17, 2023, 01:16:28 PM
Quote from: Simon Page on July 17, 2023, 01:11:44 PM
It would be crazy it it was claimed the US is as bad as Saudi Arabia. But it wasn't, so it isn't.
No, that was not the context.
But the comparison is.

Not really, if you're talking about taking a moral stance on things that are under direct threat. It's chlamydia and syphilis. I know which one is preferable, but I'd like to avoid both.

I agree, though, that it's easy to say £Xm is enough when you are nowhere near having that amount. Most people don't turn down more money. I'll let you know my choice just as soon as someone recognises my value.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on July 17, 2023, 01:34:01 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ads on July 17, 2023, 01:30:46 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on July 17, 2023, 01:20:23 PM
You can buy a beer in Florida, wear want you want, women can dress how they want, go out alone, drive and own a car, you can worship wherever you want. There are LGBT communities in every city with bars and clubs operating without restrictions etc etc 
Yes Just like Saudi.

Spring Break in Riyadh would be er, interesting.
Having been unfortunate enough to be staying at the Fontenbleau over Spring Break, there were times that I was crying for the peace and quiet of Riyadh ;)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 17, 2023, 01:34:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: villadelph on July 17, 2023, 01:29:01 PM
Quote from: AV84 on July 17, 2023, 12:55:16 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 17, 2023, 12:49:53 PM
I like to think that if I were a top class player at the tail end of my career and with millions already in the bank that i'd either publically tell them to go fuck themselves, or take their money. And then use every penny they paid me from day one to support LGBT causes around the world.

This is the thing that really bugs me. Everyone they're signing is already set up for life, unless they've been really stupid with their money. So the lure of 25 million for a year, or whatever it is, should not be enough to make already very wealthy people throw away all moral reasoning. 

That said, there's a lot of countries around the world with very questionable human rights records these days. The US, for example, is an awful place for many people at the moment, but we don't seem to judge it the same way when people do business with them. People praising Messi for going to Miami, of all places, over Saudi, is really bar on the floor stuff.

No, it's not. It's filled with a bunch of people who don't travel enough to realize how fortunate they are. Often occupied by first world problems, these people who claim its an "awful" place have never been anywhere awful. Turn off your television, this comment is ridiculous. 

I imagine if you're an economically deprived teenager carrying an unwanted pregnancy in one of many states, it is pretty awful right now.

Any developed democracy is going to be awful for some sections of society, including the UK. 

Just because somewhere else is more awful, it doesn't help those people.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 17, 2023, 01:36:57 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 17, 2023, 01:32:00 PM
Very convenient how Chelsea mainly having signed a load of players are able to find homes quickly for many of them

Well, yes. It's just that - convenience. Chelsea want to off-load a number of big-name, high-earning players at just the same time as a league wants to boost its profile with a number of big-name, high-earning players.

It's lucky, sure. But it's not a conspiracy. Any more than it would be if they decided that they wanted to take Coutinho's wage off our books.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 17, 2023, 01:38:06 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Goldenballs on July 17, 2023, 01:31:07 PM
Using Mahrez as an example, a 32 year old offered a contract worth £25m a year is going to be hard to turn down. £75m over a 3 year deal? 

I'd like to think I'd take a stand, but in reality I doubt I would. Although I don't think they do a suncream with a high enough spf factor for me to go there with my skin colour (or lack of) 

Take the money. Fear not, nobody goes outside. Air conditioned house to air conditioned car to air conditioned office to air conditioned shopping mall back to air conditioned house. Just avoid restaurants without an underground car park and you're quids in.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on July 17, 2023, 01:40:06 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 17, 2023, 01:34:18 PM
Quote from: villadelph on July 17, 2023, 01:29:01 PM
Quote from: AV84 on July 17, 2023, 12:55:16 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 17, 2023, 12:49:53 PM
I like to think that if I were a top class player at the tail end of my career and with millions already in the bank that i'd either publically tell them to go fuck themselves, or take their money. And then use every penny they paid me from day one to support LGBT causes around the world.

This is the thing that really bugs me. Everyone they're signing is already set up for life, unless they've been really stupid with their money. So the lure of 25 million for a year, or whatever it is, should not be enough to make already very wealthy people throw away all moral reasoning. 

That said, there's a lot of countries around the world with very questionable human rights records these days. The US, for example, is an awful place for many people at the moment, but we don't seem to judge it the same way when people do business with them. People praising Messi for going to Miami, of all places, over Saudi, is really bar on the floor stuff.

No, it's not. It's filled with a bunch of people who don't travel enough to realize how fortunate they are. Often occupied by first world problems, these people who claim its an "awful" place have never been anywhere awful. Turn off your television, this comment is ridiculous. 

I imagine if you're an economically deprived teenager carrying an unwanted pregnancy in one of many states, it is pretty awful right now.

Any developed democracy is going to be awful for some sections of society, including the UK. 

Just because somewhere else is more awful, it doesn't help those people.

and I imagine if you're a hardworking teenager that made good life choices going into uni (which is far more likely), then its pretty great right now. 

You can take any marginalized group or small population with a gripe and make somewhere seem awful. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on July 17, 2023, 01:42:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 17, 2023, 01:34:18 PM
Quote from: villadelph on July 17, 2023, 01:29:01 PM
Quote from: AV84 on July 17, 2023, 12:55:16 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 17, 2023, 12:49:53 PM
I like to think that if I were a top class player at the tail end of my career and with millions already in the bank that i'd either publically tell them to go fuck themselves, or take their money. And then use every penny they paid me from day one to support LGBT causes around the world.

This is the thing that really bugs me. Everyone they're signing is already set up for life, unless they've been really stupid with their money. So the lure of 25 million for a year, or whatever it is, should not be enough to make already very wealthy people throw away all moral reasoning. 

That said, there's a lot of countries around the world with very questionable human rights records these days. The US, for example, is an awful place for many people at the moment, but we don't seem to judge it the same way when people do business with them. People praising Messi for going to Miami, of all places, over Saudi, is really bar on the floor stuff.

No, it's not. It's filled with a bunch of people who don't travel enough to realize how fortunate they are. Often occupied by first world problems, these people who claim its an "awful" place have never been anywhere awful. Turn off your television, this comment is ridiculous. 

I imagine if you're an economically deprived teenager carrying an unwanted pregnancy in one of many states, it is pretty awful right now.

Any developed democracy is going to be awful for some sections of society, including the UK. 

Just because somewhere else is more awful, it doesn't help those people.
Fair enough and there are many concerns with recent developments in the US, not least the reversal of Roe v Wade. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 17, 2023, 01:43:45 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 17, 2023, 01:34:18 PM
I imagine if you're an economically deprived teenager carrying an unwanted pregnancy in one of many states, it is pretty awful right now.

Any developed democracy is going to be awful for some sections of society, including the UK. 

Just because somewhere else is more awful, it doesn't help those people.

No it doesn't but as you allude to, some people have a shit life wherever they live, even in the most liberal countries. Saudi Arabia though, is one of the most repressive, backward countries on the planet, and is in the top 10 least liberal, most oppressive countries in whatever way people analyse such things.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 17, 2023, 01:43:53 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ChicagoLion on July 17, 2023, 01:20:23 PM
You can buy a beer in Florida, wear want you want, women can dress how they want, go out alone, drive and own a car, you can worship wherever you want. There are LGBT communities in every city with bars and clubs operating without restrictions etc etc 
Yes Just like Saudi.

I'm talking about human rights violations and you're talking about buying beer, so probably not on the same wavelength on this one. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on July 17, 2023, 01:45:46 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 17, 2023, 01:43:53 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on July 17, 2023, 01:20:23 PM
You can buy a beer in Florida, wear want you want, women can dress how they want, go out alone, drive and own a car, you can worship wherever you want. There are LGBT communities in every city with bars and clubs operating without restrictions etc etc 
Yes Just like Saudi.

I'm talking about human rights violations and you're talking about buying beer, so probably not on the same wavelength on this one.
I think buying a beer is a human right.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on July 17, 2023, 01:46:31 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: KevinGage on July 17, 2023, 01:32:56 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on July 17, 2023, 10:05:15 AM
I might be being a bit judgmental but a place that is too fcuking hot, has lots of sand, where you struggle to get a legal drink, where you can have your hands chopped off for the slightest misdemeanour, where you can be stoned to death for loving someone of the same sex, doesn't exactly strike me as the most appealing place to work.  

Gerrard said he got a 'real family vibe' when he arrived. And that family is the most important thing. Maybe Scouseland is worse than we thought.

Gotta love those PR written responses. 🤨

Gerrard is too much if a coward to say anything else other than what he is told to say via the PR spin.

Reminds me of every press conference over here where they use a hell of a lot of words to say the grand total of fuck all...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on July 17, 2023, 01:48:59 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: TheMalandro on July 17, 2023, 10:03:50 AM
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 17, 2023, 09:31:28 AM
Quote from: Villatillidie25 on July 17, 2023, 09:09:11 AM
feel this needs elaborating on... :P

Nothing exciting, just that homosexuality is illegal in Saudi Arabia and punishable by prison, lashes, and potentially death if they so decide.

And I was thinking you were a Sorcerer Dogtanian!

I'm still pretty magic, yeah!  8)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 17, 2023, 01:49:20 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: villadelph on July 17, 2023, 01:40:06 PM
and I imagine if you're a hardworking teenager that made good life choices going into uni (which is far more likely), then its pretty great right now. 

Saying the quiet bit out load there 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on July 17, 2023, 01:50:20 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 17, 2023, 01:49:20 PM
Quote from: villadelph on July 17, 2023, 01:40:06 PM
and I imagine if you're a hardworking teenager that made good life choices going into uni (which is far more likely), then its pretty great right now. 

Saying the quiet bit out load there

You're desperate. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 17, 2023, 01:51:50 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ChicagoLion on July 17, 2023, 01:45:46 PM
Quote from: AV84 on July 17, 2023, 01:43:53 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on July 17, 2023, 01:20:23 PM
You can buy a beer in Florida, wear want you want, women can dress how they want, go out alone, drive and own a car, you can worship wherever you want. There are LGBT communities in every city with bars and clubs operating without restrictions etc etc 
Yes Just like Saudi.

I'm talking about human rights violations and you're talking about buying beer, so probably not on the same wavelength on this one.
I think buying a beer is a human right.

I think you mentioned more than just beer as well, which seems to have been overlooked in the general car crash of an attempt to seem in some way superior.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on July 17, 2023, 01:53:59 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 17, 2023, 01:51:50 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on July 17, 2023, 01:45:46 PM
Quote from: AV84 on July 17, 2023, 01:43:53 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on July 17, 2023, 01:20:23 PM
You can buy a beer in Florida, wear want you want, women can dress how they want, go out alone, drive and own a car, you can worship wherever you want. There are LGBT communities in every city with bars and clubs operating without restrictions etc etc 
Yes Just like Saudi.

I'm talking about human rights violations and you're talking about buying beer, so probably not on the same wavelength on this one.
I think buying a beer is a human right.

I think you mentioned more than just beer as well, which seems to have been overlooked in the general car crash of an attempt to seem in some way superior.
When people say something really stupid and keep trying to back it up, this is where it unravels.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on July 17, 2023, 01:55:23 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ChicagoLion on July 17, 2023, 01:53:59 PM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 17, 2023, 01:51:50 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on July 17, 2023, 01:45:46 PM
Quote from: AV84 on July 17, 2023, 01:43:53 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on July 17, 2023, 01:20:23 PM
You can buy a beer in Florida, wear want you want, women can dress how they want, go out alone, drive and own a car, you can worship wherever you want. There are LGBT communities in every city with bars and clubs operating without restrictions etc etc 
Yes Just like Saudi.

I'm talking about human rights violations and you're talking about buying beer, so probably not on the same wavelength on this one.
I think buying a beer is a human right.

I think you mentioned more than just beer as well, which seems to have been overlooked in the general car crash of an attempt to seem in some way superior.
When people say something really stupid and keep trying to back it up, this is where it unravels.

Liberate Miami!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Simon Page on July 17, 2023, 01:56:58 PM
			

			

				Build a wall. And make DeSantis pay.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on July 17, 2023, 01:59:38 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: villadelph on July 17, 2023, 01:55:23 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on July 17, 2023, 01:53:59 PM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 17, 2023, 01:51:50 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on July 17, 2023, 01:45:46 PM
Quote from: AV84 on July 17, 2023, 01:43:53 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on July 17, 2023, 01:20:23 PM
You can buy a beer in Florida, wear want you want, women can dress how they want, go out alone, drive and own a car, you can worship wherever you want. There are LGBT communities in every city with bars and clubs operating without restrictions etc etc 
Yes Just like Saudi.

I'm talking about human rights violations and you're talking about buying beer, so probably not on the same wavelength on this one.
I think buying a beer is a human right.

I think you mentioned more than just beer as well, which seems to have been overlooked in the general car crash of an attempt to seem in some way superior.
When people say something really stupid and keep trying to back it up, this is where it unravels.

Liberate Miami!
That’s what the Cuban boat people are trying, it’s just an attempt to bring the Liberal Freedoms and Democracy from Cuba to Florida.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 17, 2023, 01:59:59 PM
			

			

				Look at any liberalism/freedom/repression index. Saudi Arabia is near the bottom on all of them.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Simon Page on July 17, 2023, 02:04:57 PM
			

			

				Should it really be footballers taking the moral stance anyway? It's like expecting the UK government to start improving our set pieces rather than negotiating arms deals to the Saudis.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 17, 2023, 02:05:40 PM
			

			

				The responses to me questioning the US human rights record has proved my original point. I'm not going to be responsible for people having to wade through 10 more pages of the transfer thread only to discover none of it is about transfers. So I'm out. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Matt C on July 17, 2023, 02:09:34 PM
			

			

				Bild in Germany reporting we’ve made a new bid for Diaby. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 17, 2023, 02:10:20 PM
			

			

				It's all sports people.
As I say Football will go same as golf and boxing the stars will start to go to the league over there.
Prenier league have a very real competitior on their hands 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV82EC on July 17, 2023, 02:10:56 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 17, 2023, 02:05:40 PM
The responses to me questioning the US human rights record has proved my original point. I'm not going to be responsible for people having to wade through 10 more pages of the transfer thread only to discover none of it is about transfers. So I'm out.

It hasn’t but enjoy taking your ball home because people have the temerity to disagree with you. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 17, 2023, 02:11:42 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Matt C on July 17, 2023, 02:09:34 PM
Bild in Germany reporting we’ve made a new bid for Diaby.
Thanks! 
Fantatsic.  Hopefully this is the one that comes through now.
I think it's just agreeing the fee.
Bailey and Diaby showed up together very well and this is something that could be replicated here.
Great news! 
Up The Villa! 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 17, 2023, 02:15:07 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 17, 2023, 02:11:42 PM
Quote from: Matt C on July 17, 2023, 02:09:34 PM
Bild in Germany reporting we’ve made a new bid for Diaby.
Thanks! 
Fantatsic.  Hopefully this is the one that comes through now.
I think it's just agreeing the fee.
Great news! 
Up The Villa!

Nah, we'll be gazumped by Saudi. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RamboandBruno on July 17, 2023, 02:18:58 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 17, 2023, 01:34:18 PM
Quote from: villadelph on July 17, 2023, 01:29:01 PM
Quote from: AV84 on July 17, 2023, 12:55:16 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 17, 2023, 12:49:53 PM
I like to think that if I were a top class player at the tail end of my career and with millions already in the bank that i'd either publically tell them to go fuck themselves, or take their money. And then use every penny they paid me from day one to support LGBT causes around the world.

This is the thing that really bugs me. Everyone they're signing is already set up for life, unless they've been really stupid with their money. So the lure of 25 million for a year, or whatever it is, should not be enough to make already very wealthy people throw away all moral reasoning. 

That said, there's a lot of countries around the world with very questionable human rights records these days. The US, for example, is an awful place for many people at the moment, but we don't seem to judge it the same way when people do business with them. People praising Messi for going to Miami, of all places, over Saudi, is really bar on the floor stuff.

No, it's not. It's filled with a bunch of people who don't travel enough to realize how fortunate they are. Often occupied by first world problems, these people who claim its an "awful" place have never been anywhere awful. Turn off your television, this comment is ridiculous. 

I imagine if you're an economically deprived teenager carrying an unwanted pregnancy in one of many states, it is pretty awful right now.

Any developed democracy is going to be awful for some sections of society, including the UK. 

Just because somewhere else is more awful, it doesn't help those people.

Pretty much agree with this. Not comparing parts of the US and Saudi at all, but there is huge poverty in some parts of the US. 

I guess if you haven’t got a home to live in, not enough food to eat, no access to free healthcare, no prospect of any of that getting better, then i guess your country being one of, if not the wealthiest nation on earth, is pretty meaningless really.

But anyway….hopefully Villa buy another couple of players soon.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on July 17, 2023, 02:19:11 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 17, 2023, 05:30:46 AM
The trouble is that China is a normal* country. They had to screw the lid because the economics became mental and they ultimately had to account for all the spending. Saudi Arabia is a rogue state that knows its wealth is fleeting and massive, and they have an appetite for gaudy, vulgar, excessive consumption. They won't get bored for a long time.

*It's obviously not 'normal' by western democratic standards, but they have to pay the bills in a way the Saudis just don't.
👏👏👏lovely post my friend. You forgot to say that Saudi’s are basically ******.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Chris_Jephcott on July 17, 2023, 02:21:21 PM
			

			

				I’m optimistic.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 17, 2023, 02:24:12 PM
			

			

				We're still being linked with Felix, but in a "nobody else is making an offer" kind of way. PSG said no to him, and MANCHESTER UNITED FOOTBALL CLUB and Newcastle were apparently interested but not enough to do anything about it. He wants away from Athletico and we're being billed as favourites but also made to sound like his only option. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on July 17, 2023, 02:27:07 PM
			

			

				Talk that we've increased our offer for Diaby to £43m with the Saudi club matching it. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Jon Crofts on July 17, 2023, 02:28:33 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 17, 2023, 02:15:07 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 17, 2023, 02:11:42 PM
Quote from: Matt C on July 17, 2023, 02:09:34 PM
Bild in Germany reporting we’ve made a new bid for Diaby.
Thanks! 
Fantatsic.  Hopefully this is the one that comes through now.
I think it's just agreeing the fee.
Great news! 
Up The Villa!

Nah, we'll be gazumped by Saudi. 

Quite honestly if any player we're linked with chooses the money over the Villa then we dodged a bullet.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 17, 2023, 02:34:31 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Jon Crofts on July 17, 2023, 02:28:33 PM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 17, 2023, 02:15:07 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 17, 2023, 02:11:42 PM
Quote from: Matt C on July 17, 2023, 02:09:34 PM
Bild in Germany reporting we’ve made a new bid for Diaby.
Thanks! 
Fantatsic.  Hopefully this is the one that comes through now.
I think it's just agreeing the fee.
Great news! 
Up The Villa!

Nah, we'll be gazumped by Saudi. 

Quite honestly if any player we're linked with chooses the money over the Villa then we dodged a bullet.

Very true. I was just playing Footy up though really who'd gone from the pessimism of the huge competition from the Saudi emergence to rapturous excitement of a potential new signing that he was confident would happen, all within one post and a few moments :-) 

Not that i'm totally disagreeing about Saudi but i'm not sure i'd panic too much yet.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on July 17, 2023, 02:38:59 PM
			

			

				The talk is that Diaby is already won over, so I would like to think he would come here.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on July 17, 2023, 02:39:31 PM
			

			

				Have the Saudis taken many players from European clubs?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on July 17, 2023, 02:54:23 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on July 17, 2023, 02:27:07 PM
Talk that we've increased our offer for Diaby to £43m with the Saudi club matching it.

£43m is a lot of money. It's an exciting amount. Really thrilling. He must be good. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on July 17, 2023, 02:56:05 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PeterWithe on July 17, 2023, 02:39:31 PM
Have the Saudis taken many players from European clubs?

furthermore, have they put a large bid in for anyone around Diaby's age, 24? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on July 17, 2023, 02:57:29 PM
			

			

				Neves is 26 odd isn’t he?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on July 17, 2023, 02:58:23 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 17, 2023, 02:57:29 PM
Neves is 26 odd isn’t he?

Yeah, spot on. Just felt like they are/were going for more established big names. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villatillidie25 on July 17, 2023, 02:59:15 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: villadelph on July 17, 2023, 02:56:05 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on July 17, 2023, 02:39:31 PM
Have the Saudis taken many players from European clubs?

furthermore, have they put a large bid in for anyone around Diaby's age, 24? 

Neves
Milinkovic-Savic (28 but high profile)

but that's it basically. They haven't actually signed many players to be honest, just been linked with lots

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 17, 2023, 03:00:52 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PeterWithe on July 17, 2023, 02:39:31 PM
Have the Saudis taken many players from European clubs?

Milinkovic-Savic from Lazio, Brozovic from Inter. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on July 17, 2023, 03:07:51 PM
			

			

				I'd suggest splitting any list of players they sign into under and over 30 because it's the younger players moving that would be when we need to worry. Older players retiring for a big bump to their pension has been done for years and it's only really the excessive wages that is making the difference.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 17, 2023, 03:27:27 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on July 17, 2023, 08:52:12 AM
I've never been to Saudi Arabia, and have absolutely no desire to. But isn't it a bit dodgy for Westerners in a lot of parts over there?

I have, and yes it is.

I can't believe all the crazy anti American guff on here today either. I know Biden is an idiot and the economy isn't great, but it's still easily one of the best countries in the world to live in for people of any ethnicity or orientation.

Saudi on the other hand is not.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 17, 2023, 03:32:09 PM
			

			

				Do the H and V moderators here get paid? Or did they all go to Saudi Arabia too? 
Perhaps they can step in here if not and steer this back to Transfer News as the talk is a major money move by our beloved club is to be done and discussion is getting lost

Diaby! And Bailey ! Back together again! 

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Holy Trinity on July 17, 2023, 03:34:52 PM
			

			

				I
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 17, 2023, 03:32:09 PM
Do the H and V moderators here get paid? Or did they all go to Saudi Arabia too? 
Perhaps they can step in here if not and steer this back to Transfer News as the talk is a major money move by our beloved club is to be done and discussion is getting lost

Diaby! And Bailey ! Back together again! 


It was Fake! That wasn't the real Romano 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: CT Villan on July 17, 2023, 03:36:29 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ger Regan on July 17, 2023, 01:01:51 PM
Florida is hardly a beacon of hope for the lgbtq+ community, or people of colour. A number of organisations have issued travel warnings for the state, so while they're not at the level of Saudi Arabia, it is a fair comparison.
 
That's funny because Florida quite literally WAS the beacon of hope to all the Cuban refugees that escaped the wonderful, loving and caring utopian Castro regime. Unless of course you don't consider Cubans to be "people of color"  ::)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on July 17, 2023, 03:42:02 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: CT Villan on July 17, 2023, 03:36:29 PM
Quote from: Ger Regan on July 17, 2023, 01:01:51 PM
Florida is hardly a beacon of hope for the lgbtq+ community, or people of colour. A number of organisations have issued travel warnings for the state, so while they're not at the level of Saudi Arabia, it is a fair comparison.
 
That's funny because Florida quite literally WAS the beacon of hope to all the Cuban refugees that escaped the wonderful, loving and caring utopian Castro regime. Unless of course you don't consider Cubans to be "people of color"  ::)

The yanks had been pillaging the country with their puppet dictator for decades, but you go with your Hollywood story
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on July 17, 2023, 03:57:42 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on July 17, 2023, 03:42:02 PM
Quote from: CT Villan on July 17, 2023, 03:36:29 PM
Quote from: Ger Regan on July 17, 2023, 01:01:51 PM
Florida is hardly a beacon of hope for the lgbtq+ community, or people of colour. A number of organisations have issued travel warnings for the state, so while they're not at the level of Saudi Arabia, it is a fair comparison.
 
That's funny because Florida quite literally WAS the beacon of hope to all the Cuban refugees that escaped the wonderful, loving and caring utopian Castro regime. Unless of course you don't consider Cubans to be "people of color"  ::)

The yanks had been pillaging the country with their puppet dictator for decades, but you go with your Hollywood story

What.. they had a transfer embargo for the second half of the 1900s and the US just starting normalizing relations within the last 10 or so years under Obama. Americans can travel there, not as tourists, after jumping through hoops. Puppet dictator Castro.. for Russia..?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on July 17, 2023, 04:02:20 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Jon Crofts on July 17, 2023, 02:28:33 PM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 17, 2023, 02:15:07 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 17, 2023, 02:11:42 PM
Quote from: Matt C on July 17, 2023, 02:09:34 PM
Bild in Germany reporting we’ve made a new bid for Diaby.
Thanks! 
Fantatsic.  Hopefully this is the one that comes through now.
I think it's just agreeing the fee.
Great news! 
Up The Villa!

Nah, we'll be gazumped by Saudi. 

Quite honestly if any player we're linked with chooses the money over the Villa then we dodged a bullet.

This is my view too. 

The Saudi experiment will help filter those who prefer their actual career & legacy, over purely money.

And if Diaby goes to Saudi, then fine. 

We move on to Doku...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Hookeysmith on July 17, 2023, 04:03:48 PM
			

			

				Please can we have one thread ( a bloody important one as well as its about new recruits) to remain politics free.

If people want to discuss Saudi leagues and the politics behind it etc then fine - but not in a thread like this

Pretty please
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 17, 2023, 04:04:41 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Hookeysmith on July 17, 2023, 04:03:48 PM
Please can we have one thread ( a bloody important one as well as its about new recruits) to remain politics free.

If people want to discuss Saudi leagues and the politics behind it etc then fine - but not in a thread like this

Pretty please

Which transfers are you upset that people aren't discussing? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 17, 2023, 04:05:46 PM
			

			

				Mitrovic is apparently on his way to a Saudi club too. 28, nearly 29, but not exactly retirement age. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 17, 2023, 04:13:45 PM
			

			

				Yes it just takes one of the big players who's peak Premier leagye to move and then people will take notice and its going same way as golf and boxing.


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 17, 2023, 04:15:13 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on July 17, 2023, 04:04:41 PM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on July 17, 2023, 04:03:48 PM
Please can we have one thread ( a bloody important one as well as its about new recruits) to remain politics free.

If people want to discuss Saudi leagues and the politics behind it etc then fine - but not in a thread like this

Pretty please

Which transfers are you upset that people aren't discussing?
But it's all the other talk.
Surely you can see it's gone too far here .

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Hookeysmith on July 17, 2023, 04:16:19 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on July 17, 2023, 04:04:41 PM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on July 17, 2023, 04:03:48 PM
Please can we have one thread ( a bloody important one as well as its about new recruits) to remain politics free.

If people want to discuss Saudi leagues and the politics behind it etc then fine - but not in a thread like this

Pretty please

Which transfers are you upset that people aren't discussing? 

It not that and i am sure you know it.

Some posters on here could not discuss Santa Claus without him being a Tory or a racist etc - it really is tiresome at times and spoils the threads.

Of course mention that player A is off to the money tree that is Saudi but that is it - we dont need huge blocks of text about how corrupt, shit, undemocratic the Saudi's are - i am sure we all know. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 17, 2023, 04:26:41 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on July 17, 2023, 04:04:41 PM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on July 17, 2023, 04:03:48 PM
Please can we have one thread ( a bloody important one as well as its about new recruits) to remain politics free.

If people want to discuss Saudi leagues and the politics behind it etc then fine - but not in a thread like this

Pretty please

Which transfers are you upset that people aren't discussing?
Why don't you and the merry band of moderators comply with the requests and moderate instead of asking questions. You can tell that not only are individuals unhappy, but there is also off-topic arguing on this thread. When there has been a significant amount of off-topic conversation, it is quite challenging to follow and discuss the specified issue.

It's all rather unpleasant to read and lacking in context of transfer discussion 
This goes against the forum's spirit and I want to say I'm dissatisfied with what is being allowed to continue. 


Up The Villa! 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on July 17, 2023, 04:29:21 PM
			

			

				Hey Footy, do multiple people access your account? Honest question.. it seems like your grammar changes from time to time and I never thought you'd take a shot at the mod team. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 17, 2023, 04:30:21 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 17, 2023, 04:26:41 PM
Why don't you and the merry band of moderators comply with the requests and moderate instead of asking questions. You can tell that not only are individuals unhappy, but there is also off-topic arguing on this thread. When there has been a significant amount of off-topic conversation, it is quite challenging to follow and discuss the specified issue.

It's all rather unpleasant to read and lacking in context of transfer discussion 
This goes against the forum's spirit and I want to say I'm dissatisfied with what is being allowed to continue. 


I think you should probably be quite thankful that the mods are as laissez faire as they are to be honest.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on July 17, 2023, 04:31:07 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 17, 2023, 04:26:41 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 17, 2023, 04:04:41 PM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on July 17, 2023, 04:03:48 PM
Please can we have one thread ( a bloody important one as well as its about new recruits) to remain politics free.

If people want to discuss Saudi leagues and the politics behind it etc then fine - but not in a thread like this

Pretty please

Which transfers are you upset that people aren't discussing?
Why don't you and the merry band of moderators comply with the requests and moderate instead of asking questions. You can tell that not only are individuals unhappy, but there is also off-topic arguing on this thread. When there has been a significant amount of off-topic conversation, it is quite challenging to follow and discuss the specified issue.

It's all rather unpleasant to read and lacking in context of transfer discussion 
This goes against the forum's spirit and I want to say I'm dissatisfied with what is being allowed to continue. 


Up The Villa! 

Why don't you not tell the moderators how to manage the site? Nothing on here goes against the spirit of this forum which has always been to let conversation flow even if it goes off topic. If you need mods to strictly enforce threads staying on topic I'd recommend Villatalk.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on July 17, 2023, 04:31:57 PM
			

			

				FootyVill is actually 6 owls in a trenchcoat
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on July 17, 2023, 04:32:53 PM
			

			

				If all you want is transfer talk, fuck off to Twitter.

In my opinion.


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 17, 2023, 04:34:12 PM
			

			

				I'm wondering why they aren't using their power to do something.
I respect them and know they are very good people, so I hope they can accommodate people's requests and keep things moving. I was surprised to see it being disregarded when it's clear for all to see.

I'm having a break till we make a transfer! and will hope for Diaby to be signed, which will take us back on topic!
I didn't mean to sound rude to the moderators, but people are asking for things to stop.
And no, I have several devices and sometimes type quicker than other times!


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Holy Trinity on July 17, 2023, 04:34:41 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: coreyfeldman on July 17, 2023, 04:31:57 PM
FootyVill is actually 6 owls in a trenchcoat

Hahaha why is this all I can see now
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 17, 2023, 04:35:54 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 17, 2023, 04:34:12 PM
I'm wondering why they aren't using their power to do something. 
I respect them and know they are very good people so hope they can heat people request and keep things to transfer I was surprised to see it being disregarded when it's clear for all to see.
I'm having a break as people and will hope for Diaby to be signed which will take us back on topic! 
I didn't mean to sound rude to the moderators but people are asking for things to stop. 
And no I have several devices and sometimes type quicker than other times!

If there’s one thing that annoys more people than off-topic posts it’s you. So pipe down.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 17, 2023, 04:37:28 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 17, 2023, 04:35:54 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 17, 2023, 04:34:12 PM
I'm wondering why they aren't using their power to do something. 
I respect them and know they are very good people so hope they can heat people request and keep things to transfer I was surprised to see it being disregarded when it's clear for all to see.
I'm having a break as people and will hope for Diaby to be signed which will take us back on topic! 
I didn't mean to sound rude to the moderators but people are asking for things to stop. 
And no I have several devices and sometimes type quicker than other times!

If there’s one thing that annoys more people than off-topic posts it’s you. So pipe down.
I'm on break till we sign someone so I will leave.
And thanks for trying to make me feel bad.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 17, 2023, 04:43:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 17, 2023, 04:34:12 PM
I'm wondering why they aren't using their power to do something.
I respect them and know they are very good people, so I hope they can accommodate people's requests and keep things moving. I was surprised to see it being disregarded when it's clear for all to see.

We are doing something, we are taking the active decision to let people discuss what they want to discuss.

If posters want to ask each other over and over again whether Diaby had signed yet or not (given I don't really see much in the way of other active potential  transfers to talk about), then that's what they would do.

If they want to talk about something else in the meantime, they're free to crack on with it without us butting in.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: NorthYvillan on July 17, 2023, 04:51:02 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: CT Villan on July 17, 2023, 03:36:29 PM
Quote from: Ger Regan on July 17, 2023, 01:01:51 PM
Florida is hardly a beacon of hope for the lgbtq+ community, or people of colour. A number of organisations have issued travel warnings for the state, so while they're not at the level of Saudi Arabia, it is a fair comparison.
 
That's funny because Florida quite literally WAS the beacon of hope to all the Cuban refugees that escaped the wonderful, loving and caring utopian Castro regime. Unless of course you don't consider Cubans to be "people of color"  ::)

"WAS" is the operative word
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on July 17, 2023, 04:51:32 PM
			

			

				A good pal of mine lived in Bahrain for 10 years and still has to travel back there and to Saudi to attend board meetings, you are not allowed to do Facetime, much to his annoyance. He doesn't even leave his hotel in Saudi, he says the gap between rich and poor is immense, then again when he left Bahrain a few years ago the natives were getting very restless in what he said was the safest country in the middle east and there were regular riots, he had to be escorted to work from the compound where the ex pats were housed. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 17, 2023, 04:58:29 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: villadelph on July 17, 2023, 04:29:21 PM
Hey Footy, do multiple people access your account? Honest question.. it seems like your grammar changes from time to time and I never thought you'd take a shot at the mod team. 

Of course they do, look at that last post. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: wince on July 17, 2023, 05:04:02 PM
			

			

				We signed anyone yet? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Mister E on July 17, 2023, 05:05:03 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 17, 2023, 12:55:16 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 17, 2023, 12:49:53 PM
I like to think that if I were a top class player at the tail end of my career and with millions already in the bank that I'd either publicly tell them to go fuck themselves, or take their money. And then use every penny they paid me from day one to support LGBT causes around the world.
This is the thing that really bugs me. Everyone they're signing is already set up for life, unless they've been really stupid with their money. So the lure of 25 million for a year, or whatever it is, should not be enough to make already very wealthy people throw away all moral reasoning...
And, if anyone of them were reading this they might say that a healthy percentage of their earnings already goes - and will continue to go - to their chosen charities.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 17, 2023, 05:08:22 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: wince on July 17, 2023, 05:04:02 PM
We signed anyone yet? 

I think if I've followed the thread correctly, we're signing Mohammed bin Salman and Ron DeSantis. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on July 17, 2023, 05:11:22 PM
			

			

				And promising young european prospect, Trench Sixowls.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 17, 2023, 05:11:25 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on July 17, 2023, 02:27:07 PM
Talk that we've increased our offer for Diaby to £43m with the Saudi club matching it. 

The Saudi offer was €43m including all add-ons.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on July 17, 2023, 05:15:05 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on July 17, 2023, 05:11:25 PM
Quote from: OCD on July 17, 2023, 02:27:07 PM
Talk that we've increased our offer for Diaby to £43m with the Saudi club matching it. 

The Saudi offer was €43m including all add-ons.

The first one was. We're supposed to have gone back in with a €50m offer, which they then matched. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Mister E on July 17, 2023, 05:15:38 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 17, 2023, 03:32:09 PM
Do the H and V moderators here get paid? Or did they all go to Saudi Arabia too? 
Perhaps they can step in here if not and steer this back to Transfer News as the talk is a major money move by our beloved club is to be done and discussion is getting lost

Diaby! And Bailey ! Back together again! 

No they don't (as far as I'm aware). And, have you seen the last 10 or so (long-format) pages?? - there were ample opportunities for the thread to be 'brought home' but that's not the way it works around here (as you should well know by now).
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on July 17, 2023, 05:21:13 PM
			

			

				Heretical  and blasphemous posts on here are totally unacceptable. I am with Hooky and Footy, rest of you will burn in hell.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: wince on July 17, 2023, 05:24:50 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: olaftab on July 17, 2023, 05:21:13 PM
Heretical  and blasphemous posts on here are totally unacceptable. I am with Hooky and Footy, rest of you will burn in hell.
Just a normal h&v day
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 17, 2023, 05:26:40 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 17, 2023, 04:37:28 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 17, 2023, 04:35:54 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 17, 2023, 04:34:12 PM
I'm wondering why they aren't using their power to do something. 
I respect them and know they are very good people so hope they can heat people request and keep things to transfer I was surprised to see it being disregarded when it's clear for all to see.
I'm having a break as people and will hope for Diaby to be signed which will take us back on topic! 
I didn't mean to sound rude to the moderators but people are asking for things to stop. 
And no I have several devices and sometimes type quicker than other times!

If there’s one thing that annoys more people than off-topic posts it’s you. So pipe down.
I'm on break till we sign someone so I will leave.
And thanks for trying to make me feel bad.

I’ve annoyed plenty of people on here. It’s fine. We’re civilised. Nothing happens.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on July 17, 2023, 05:32:31 PM
			

			

				This is taking a turn I didn't expect.

I'm guessing you'll be back in less than 24 hours footy.

Not having a go, just predicting we'll sign someone. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Baldy on July 17, 2023, 05:50:02 PM
			

			

				In a few weeks time, trying to pick our starting X1 for our first league match will get us back on the 'football' track.

I can only think of 3 guaranteed starters and that could be reduced with another quality transfer or two.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Baldy on July 17, 2023, 05:56:27 PM
			

			

				Make that two guaranteed starters. I've changed my mind!!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: lovejoy on July 17, 2023, 05:58:09 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: wince on July 17, 2023, 05:04:02 PM
We signed anyone yet? 

Drummond will be along in a minute with some made up old sh!te to help you pass the time.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 17, 2023, 06:06:14 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 17, 2023, 04:34:12 PM
I'm wondering why they aren't using their power to do something.
I respect them and know they are very good people, so I hope they can accommodate people's requests and keep things moving. I was surprised to see it being disregarded when it's clear for all to see.

I'm having a break till we make a transfer! and will hope for Diaby to be signed, which will take us back on topic!
I didn't mean to sound rude to the moderators, but people are asking for things to stop.
And no, I have several devices and sometimes type quicker than other times!



What the hell has this got to do with how awful Saudi Arabia is?!  Stay on topic!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Richard E on July 17, 2023, 06:08:21 PM
			

			

				Onion Bhajis and salad is a guaranteed starter.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: WassallVillain on July 17, 2023, 06:12:03 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Richard E on July 17, 2023, 06:08:21 PM
Onion Bhajis and salad is a guaranteed starter.
Sheik kebab for me. Actually I like a nargis kebab but that’s off topic. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 17, 2023, 06:13:06 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on July 17, 2023, 05:08:22 PM
Quote from: wince on July 17, 2023, 05:04:02 PM
We signed anyone yet? 

I think if I've followed the thread correctly, we're signing Mohammed bin Salman and Ron DeSantis. 

Footy did say we should expect some American signings now that Chris Heck is at B6.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on July 17, 2023, 06:14:43 PM
			

			

				Footy announcing another departure I see. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RamboandBruno on July 17, 2023, 06:16:33 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Richard E on July 17, 2023, 06:08:21 PM
Onion Bhajis and salad is a guaranteed starter.

Only if its leftist word salad…..ill get my coat
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Baldy on July 17, 2023, 06:16:49 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Richard E on July 17, 2023, 06:08:21 PM
Onion Bhajis and salad is a guaranteed starter.

Doesn't run fast enough.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: wince on July 17, 2023, 06:18:34 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: lovejoy on July 17, 2023, 05:58:09 PM
Quote from: wince on July 17, 2023, 05:04:02 PM
We signed anyone yet? 

Drummond will be along in a minute with some made up old sh!te to help you pass the time.
Ah ok. Drummond, who we signing mate? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: TheMalandro on July 17, 2023, 06:19:45 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 17, 2023, 05:26:40 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 17, 2023, 04:37:28 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 17, 2023, 04:35:54 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 17, 2023, 04:34:12 PM
I'm wondering why they aren't using their power to do something. 
I respect them and know they are very good people so hope they can heat people request and keep things to transfer I was surprised to see it being disregarded when it's clear for all to see.
I'm having a break as people and will hope for Diaby to be signed which will take us back on topic! 
I didn't mean to sound rude to the moderators but people are asking for things to stop. 
And no I have several devices and sometimes type quicker than other times!

If there’s one thing that annoys more people than off-topic posts it’s you. So pipe down.
I'm on break till we sign someone so I will leave.
And thanks for trying to make me feel bad.

I’ve annoyed plenty of people on here. It’s fine. We’re civilised. Nothing happens.

Never say never to a stoning or a good old beheading.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 17, 2023, 06:20:39 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on July 17, 2023, 05:15:05 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on July 17, 2023, 05:11:25 PM
Quote from: OCD on July 17, 2023, 02:27:07 PM
Talk that we've increased our offer for Diaby to £43m with the Saudi club matching it. 

The Saudi offer was €43m including all add-ons.

The first one was. We're supposed to have gone back in with a €50m offer, which they then matched. 

Monchi demonstrating his negotiating skills or from Twitter as I can't find anything to confirm? I'd hope the player has made it clear he's not interested in a move to Saudi. It would put an end to his international career for a start.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 17, 2023, 06:22:20 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on July 17, 2023, 06:13:06 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 17, 2023, 05:08:22 PM
Quote from: wince on July 17, 2023, 05:04:02 PM
We signed anyone yet? 

I think if I've followed the thread correctly, we're signing Mohammed bin Salman and Ron DeSantis. 

Footy did say we should expect some American signings now that Chris Heck is at B6.

Given where he's from his Spanish is probably pretty good too. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 17, 2023, 06:26:31 PM
			

			

				I forgot to mention the other day I don't see Pedro Gonçalves signing, the fool has just got engaged to a bloody medical student. I can't see the student doctor being too thrilled being stuck here by herself whilst her future husband is living the dream by playing for Aston Villa.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Baldy on July 17, 2023, 06:29:55 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on July 17, 2023, 06:26:31 PM
I forgot to mention the other day I don't see Pedro Gonçalves signing, the fool has just got engaged to a bloody medical student. I can't see the student doctor being too thrilled being stuck here by herself whilst her future husband is living the dream by playing for Aston Villa.

It's going to be so 'competitive' in training next season it might do no harm to be married to a medical student.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dicedlam on July 17, 2023, 06:34:00 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on July 17, 2023, 06:20:39 PM
Quote from: OCD on July 17, 2023, 05:15:05 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on July 17, 2023, 05:11:25 PM
Quote from: OCD on July 17, 2023, 02:27:07 PM
Talk that we've increased our offer for Diaby to £43m with the Saudi club matching it. 

The Saudi offer was €43m including all add-ons.

The first one was. We're supposed to have gone back in with a €50m offer, which they then matched. 

I'd hope the player has made it clear he's not interested in a move to Saudi. It would put an end to his international career for a start.

I believe Diaby is a Sunni Muslim. Maybe he is interested to hear what the Saudi's have to offer?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 17, 2023, 06:34:11 PM
			

			

				Just reading a thing in the mail there about Diaby. They reckon Leverkusen don't actually want to sell him, so hopefully that means they only will if he wants to go. I've seen several reports say that he's interested in us, and has worked with Emery before, albeit only briefly. 
They also reckon it'll be done before Leverkusen go on a preseason trip this coming weekend, so we should know one way or the other very soon.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 17, 2023, 06:36:34 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Baldy on July 17, 2023, 06:29:55 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on July 17, 2023, 06:26:31 PM
I forgot to mention the other day I don't see Pedro Gonçalves signing, the fool has just got engaged to a bloody medical student. I can't see the student doctor being too thrilled being stuck here by herself whilst her future husband is living the dream by playing for Aston Villa.

It's going to be so 'competitive' in training next season it might do no harm to be married to a medical student.

True, assuming he actually marries her.
Anyway, he's gone right down in my estimation, he sold the rights to his proposal, down on one knee moment to a celeb/gossip magazine. What a tosser! Harsh? He also said last month that he wants to be/should be the highest paid player at Sporting.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 17, 2023, 06:49:30 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on July 17, 2023, 06:22:20 PM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on July 17, 2023, 06:13:06 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 17, 2023, 05:08:22 PM
Quote from: wince on July 17, 2023, 05:04:02 PM
We signed anyone yet? 

I think if I've followed the thread correctly, we're signing Mohammed bin Salman and Ron DeSantis. 

Footy did say we should expect some American signings now that Chris Heck is at B6.

Given where he's from his Spanish is probably pretty good too. 

Good point, get him in! 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on July 17, 2023, 06:56:39 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 17, 2023, 06:14:43 PM
Footy announcing another departure I see. 

Who had 2 days in the poll? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on July 17, 2023, 07:01:10 PM
			

			

				Gonçalves apparently prepared to sign a new contract at Sporting. I think we've long moved on tbh. 

Signing him, Johnson and Diaby along with the others couldn't be good for our FFP. I think we're serious about Diaby because we've moved on from Gonçalves. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 17, 2023, 07:02:10 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on July 17, 2023, 06:36:34 PM
He also said last month that he wants to be/should be the highest paid player at Sporting.

I read that before and it implied that Sporting would have to go to either 5, or 5.5 million a year, can't remember which, to make him the highest paid. 5.5 works out at 106k a week, and I assume that's euros. So, if it came down to it, we could probably meet his wage demands. I think it's the 80million asking price is the problem.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 17, 2023, 07:03:23 PM
			

			

				I'm not a fan of that sort of behaviour. Get yourself to Saudi Arabia (or Florida) if your main interest is being the highest paid.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bad English on July 17, 2023, 07:15:11 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 17, 2023, 04:26:41 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 17, 2023, 04:04:41 PM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on July 17, 2023, 04:03:48 PM
Please can we have one thread ( a bloody important one as well as its about new recruits) to remain politics free.

If people want to discuss Saudi leagues and the politics behind it etc then fine - but not in a thread like this

Pretty please

Which transfers are you upset that people aren't discussing?
Why don't you and the merry band of moderators comply with the requests and moderate instead of asking questions. You can tell that not only are individuals unhappy, but there is also off-topic arguing on this thread. When there has been a significant amount of off-topic conversation, it is quite challenging to follow and discuss the specified issue.

It's all rather unpleasant to read and lacking in context of transfer discussion 
This goes against the forum's spirit and I want to say I'm dissatisfied with what is being allowed to continue. 


Up The Villa!
On a personal note, I'm very happy with this forum and the way it can enrich the often tedious, repetitive speculation about transfers, formations, shit badges and the like. If there were no OT ramblings there would be no point for me.  I get that some might find this frustrating but the only way to counter it is to post about the topic and hope somebody engages with you. Ranting and trying to change the spirit of a forum that has been in existence for a couple of decades is only going to end one way in my humble opinion. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 17, 2023, 07:25:59 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Baldy on July 17, 2023, 06:29:55 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on July 17, 2023, 06:26:31 PM
I forgot to mention the other day I don't see Pedro Gonçalves signing, the fool has just got engaged to a bloody medical student. I can't see the student doctor being too thrilled being stuck here by herself whilst her future husband is living the dream by playing for Aston Villa.

It's going to be so 'competitive' in training next season it might do no harm to be married to a medical student.

It saves money on 'nurses outfits' as well.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dr.chekov on July 17, 2023, 07:37:55 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bad English on July 17, 2023, 07:15:11 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 17, 2023, 04:26:41 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 17, 2023, 04:04:41 PM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on July 17, 2023, 04:03:48 PM
Please can we have one thread ( a bloody important one as well as its about new recruits) to remain politics free.

If people want to discuss Saudi leagues and the politics behind it etc then fine - but not in a thread like this

Pretty please

Which transfers are you upset that people aren't discussing?
Why don't you and the merry band of moderators comply with the requests and moderate instead of asking questions. You can tell that not only are individuals unhappy, but there is also off-topic arguing on this thread. When there has been a significant amount of off-topic conversation, it is quite challenging to follow and discuss the specified issue.

It's all rather unpleasant to read and lacking in context of transfer discussion 
This goes against the forum's spirit and I want to say I'm dissatisfied with what is being allowed to continue. 


Up The Villa!
On a personal note, I'm very happy with this forum and the way it can enrich the often tedious, repetitive speculation about transfers, formations, shit badges and the like. If there were no OT ramblings there would be no point for me.  I get that some might find this frustrating but the only way to counter it is to post about the topic and hope somebody engages with you. Ranting and trying to change the spirit of a forum that has been in existence for a couple of decades is only going to end one way in my humble opinion. 

Couldn't agree more. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 17, 2023, 07:43:21 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on July 17, 2023, 07:25:59 PM
Quote from: Baldy on July 17, 2023, 06:29:55 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on July 17, 2023, 06:26:31 PM
I forgot to mention the other day I don't see Pedro Gonçalves signing, the fool has just got engaged to a bloody medical student. I can't see the student doctor being too thrilled being stuck here by herself whilst her future husband is living the dream by playing for Aston Villa.

It's going to be so 'competitive' in training next season it might do no harm to be married to a medical student.

It saves money on 'nurses outfits' as well.

Sexist pig! She's studying/training to be a doctor.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: CT Villan on July 17, 2023, 07:43:58 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on July 17, 2023, 03:42:02 PM
Quote from: CT Villan on July 17, 2023, 03:36:29 PM
Quote from: Ger Regan on July 17, 2023, 01:01:51 PM
Florida is hardly a beacon of hope for the lgbtq+ community, or people of colour. A number of organisations have issued travel warnings for the state, so while they're not at the level of Saudi Arabia, it is a fair comparison.
 
That's funny because Florida quite literally WAS the beacon of hope to all the Cuban refugees that escaped the wonderful, loving and caring utopian Castro regime. Unless of course you don't consider Cubans to be "people of color"  ::)

The yanks had been pillaging the country with their puppet dictator for decades, but you go with your Hollywood story
 
Apologies for bringing this back up but such ignorance should not be left to stand unchallenged...

Hollywood story ? You have no idea what you are talking about. My Father-in-law is Cuban and he and his brother escaped Cuba as young kids right after the Castro revolution. His uncle was executed by Castro's people and he didn't see his parents again for years as they didn't make it out.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 17, 2023, 07:46:01 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on July 17, 2023, 07:43:21 PM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on July 17, 2023, 07:25:59 PM
Quote from: Baldy on July 17, 2023, 06:29:55 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on July 17, 2023, 06:26:31 PM
I forgot to mention the other day I don't see Pedro Gonçalves signing, the fool has just got engaged to a bloody medical student. I can't see the student doctor being too thrilled being stuck here by herself whilst her future husband is living the dream by playing for Aston Villa.

It's going to be so 'competitive' in training next season it might do no harm to be married to a medical student.

It saves money on 'nurses outfits' as well.

Sexist pig! She's studying/training to be a doctor.

I know, Bruna went to the University of Minho didn't she?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: astonvilla82 on July 17, 2023, 07:51:00 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: CT Villan on July 17, 2023, 07:43:58 PM
Quote from: LeeB on July 17, 2023, 03:42:02 PM
Quote from: CT Villan on July 17, 2023, 03:36:29 PM
Quote from: Ger Regan on July 17, 2023, 01:01:51 PM
Florida is hardly a beacon of hope for the lgbtq+ community, or people of colour. A number of organisations have issued travel warnings for the state, so while they're not at the level of Saudi Arabia, it is a fair comparison.
 
That's funny because Florida quite literally WAS the beacon of hope to all the Cuban refugees that escaped the wonderful, loving and caring utopian Castro regime. Unless of course you don't consider Cubans to be "people of color"  ::)

The yanks had been pillaging the country with their puppet dictator for decades, but you go with your Hollywood story
 
Apologies for bringing this back up but such ignorance should not be left to stand unchallenged...

Hollywood story ? You have no idea what you are talking about. My Father-in-law is Cuban and he and his brother escaped Cuba as young kids right after the Castro revolution. His uncle was executed by Castro's people and he didn't see his parents again for years as they didn't make it out.
 sorry to hear about your family history in Cuba, not a good time for your in-laws 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 17, 2023, 07:57:30 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: astonvilla82 on July 17, 2023, 07:51:00 PM
Quote from: CT Villan on July 17, 2023, 07:43:58 PM
Quote from: LeeB on July 17, 2023, 03:42:02 PM
Quote from: CT Villan on July 17, 2023, 03:36:29 PM
Quote from: Ger Regan on July 17, 2023, 01:01:51 PM
Florida is hardly a beacon of hope for the lgbtq+ community, or people of colour. A number of organisations have issued travel warnings for the state, so while they're not at the level of Saudi Arabia, it is a fair comparison.
 
That's funny because Florida quite literally WAS the beacon of hope to all the Cuban refugees that escaped the wonderful, loving and caring utopian Castro regime. Unless of course you don't consider Cubans to be "people of color"  ::)

The yanks had been pillaging the country with their puppet dictator for decades, but you go with your Hollywood story
 
Apologies for bringing this back up but such ignorance should not be left to stand unchallenged...

Hollywood story ? You have no idea what you are talking about. My Father-in-law is Cuban and he and his brother escaped Cuba as young kids right after the Castro revolution. His uncle was executed by Castro's people and he didn't see his parents again for years as they didn't make it out.
 sorry to hear about your family history in Cuba, not a good time for your in-laws

Sorry to hear that CT.

Most mobologists (who are, in the main, pretty apolitical in my experience), think that Cuba would have been much better off had the American mafia been in charge, as they would have been if not for the revolution..
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 17, 2023, 08:02:12 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on July 17, 2023, 07:46:01 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on July 17, 2023, 07:43:21 PM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on July 17, 2023, 07:25:59 PM
Quote from: Baldy on July 17, 2023, 06:29:55 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on July 17, 2023, 06:26:31 PM
I forgot to mention the other day I don't see Pedro Gonçalves signing, the fool has just got engaged to a bloody medical student. I can't see the student doctor being too thrilled being stuck here by herself whilst her future husband is living the dream by playing for Aston Villa.

It's going to be so 'competitive' in training next season it might do no harm to be married to a medical student.

It saves money on 'nurses outfits' as well.

Sexist pig! She's studying/training to be a doctor.

I know, Bruna went to the University of Minho didn't she?

No idea, Eastie. ;)
They're a weird lot up north.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on July 17, 2023, 08:26:49 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bad English on July 17, 2023, 07:15:11 PM
On a personal note, I'm very happy with this forum and the way it can enrich the often tedious, repetitive speculation about transfers, formations, shit badges and the like. If there were no OT ramblings there would be no point for me.  I get that some might find this frustrating but the only way to counter it is to post about the topic and hope somebody engages with you. Ranting and trying to change the spirit of a forum that has been in existence for a couple of decades is only going to end one way in my humble opinion.
Agree with this. If I was after Villa news then you can get that from Google or whatever. Here you get enrichment.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on July 17, 2023, 08:29:44 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: algy on July 17, 2023, 08:26:49 PM
Quote from: Bad English on July 17, 2023, 07:15:11 PM
On a personal note, I'm very happy with this forum and the way it can enrich the often tedious, repetitive speculation about transfers, formations, shit badges and the like. If there were no OT ramblings there would be no point for me.  I get that some might find this frustrating but the only way to counter it is to post about the topic and hope somebody engages with you. Ranting and trying to change the spirit of a forum that has been in existence for a couple of decades is only going to end one way in my humble opinion.
Agree with this. If I was after Villa news then you can get that from Google or whatever. Here you get enrichment.

Like weapons-grade uranium?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 17, 2023, 08:30:50 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: algy on July 17, 2023, 08:26:49 PM
Quote from: Bad English on July 17, 2023, 07:15:11 PM
On a personal note, I'm very happy with this forum and the way it can enrich the often tedious, repetitive speculation about transfers, formations, shit badges and the like. If there were no OT ramblings there would be no point for me.  I get that some might find this frustrating but the only way to counter it is to post about the topic and hope somebody engages with you. Ranting and trying to change the spirit of a forum that has been in existence for a couple of decades is only going to end one way in my humble opinion.
Agree with this. If I was after Villa news then you can get that from Google or whatever. Here you get enrichment.

I’ve been often been romantically nourished by BE’s contributions.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 17, 2023, 08:35:42 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on July 17, 2023, 03:00:52 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on July 17, 2023, 02:39:31 PM
Have the Saudis taken many players from European clubs?

Milinkovic-Savic from Lazio, Brozovic from Inter.

Fofana from Lens now - who is one of the best midfielders in Ligue 1.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 17, 2023, 08:39:32 PM
			

			

				Be interesting to see in a year or two where some of these younger players end up. Is it likely that a European club will be in a position to buy them back next summer if they're really not happy? Would it be as simple as that? I think there's more to consider than just wages when making this move, especially when it's not a short term pension plan.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 17, 2023, 08:58:09 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on July 17, 2023, 08:02:12 PM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on July 17, 2023, 07:46:01 PM
I know, Bruna went to the University of Minho didn't she?

No idea, Eastie. ;)
They're a weird lot up north.

You're just biased, all because they invented those delicious francesinhas up there. ;)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: JD on July 17, 2023, 09:01:30 PM
			

			

				Anyway, back to the discussion about the US being worse than Saudi. 
My Brother lives in Massachssetts and couldn't go out to buy his tea and beers last weekend as there were some very large bears hanging around his driveway looking for food. Wouldn't have happened in Saudi as they would have chopped their thieving paws off for doing such a thing. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 17, 2023, 09:42:42 PM
			

			

				Made me chuckle that one.

A bear took part of the trim on the roof of hire car a few weeks ago when I was in Yosemite (wanted to look at the sequoia in maroposa grove) Must have been a big one, it was a Ford Expedition and I practically needed a step ladder to get in it. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on July 17, 2023, 10:07:35 PM
			

			

				Gnonto linked again, some chat about Monchi meeting with his agent tomorrow
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 17, 2023, 10:36:09 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: coreyfeldman on July 17, 2023, 10:07:35 PM
Gnonto linked again, some chat about Monchi meeting with his agent tomorrow

I like him, and can see him doing well with Emery coaching him. Would want a more experienced option coming in as well mind.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on July 17, 2023, 10:54:56 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: lovejoy on July 17, 2023, 05:58:09 PM
Quote from: wince on July 17, 2023, 05:04:02 PM
We signed anyone yet? 

Drummond will be along in a minute with some made up old sh!te to help you pass the time.

Crikey, Diaby almost done. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: CT Villan on July 17, 2023, 11:03:09 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on July 17, 2023, 10:54:56 PM
Crikey, Diaby almost done. 
 
110% Gospel - from a man in a white suit.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on July 17, 2023, 11:06:22 PM
			

			

				My brother has a summer job at Greenwich & Bexley Credit Union and his boss is called Gospel. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on July 17, 2023, 11:08:16 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on July 17, 2023, 10:54:56 PM
Quote from: lovejoy on July 17, 2023, 05:58:09 PM
Quote from: wince on July 17, 2023, 05:04:02 PM
We signed anyone yet? 

Drummond will be along in a minute with some made up old sh!te to help you pass the time.

Crikey, Diaby almost done.

This real or is it 'bants'? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on July 17, 2023, 11:15:33 PM
			

			

				If you offered me a swap of Gnotto and Diaby for Traore as attacking options I'd happily take it. I think Gnotto with the right guidance will be an absolute star. He's brilliant.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 17, 2023, 11:17:32 PM
			

			

				I don't mind Gnonto coming so long as he's not the major signing in that role.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on July 17, 2023, 11:29:41 PM
			

			

				Same here, if we were as shit as Leeds were last year, one of our kids might have come in and done well for a handful of games, but we need the finished article to make progress.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on July 17, 2023, 11:40:36 PM
			

			

				Suggests we might be moving Bailey on though. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 17, 2023, 11:41:25 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on July 17, 2023, 11:40:36 PM
Suggests we might be moving Bailey on though. 

In which case, I'm up for Gnonto coming in.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 17, 2023, 11:43:48 PM
			

			

				I'd like Gnonto for the simple reason that you could probably (unless I'm wildly off base with the pronunciation) sing his name to the tune of "Macho, Macho man.....," or, to be a little more niche, to the tune of "Take her up to Monto, Monto, Monto, take her up to Monto, langeroo, to you." 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 17, 2023, 11:45:37 PM
			

			

				Errrr.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on July 17, 2023, 11:55:51 PM
			

			

				This place is an absolute loony bin at the moment, I love it 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on July 18, 2023, 12:03:01 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 17, 2023, 11:43:48 PM
I'd like Gnonto for the simple reason that you could probably (unless I'm wildly off base with the pronunciation) sing his name to the tune of "Macho, Macho man.....," or, to be a little more niche, to the tune of "Take her up to Monto, Monto, Monto, take her up to Monto, langeroo, to you." 

Put more water in it. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 18, 2023, 12:06:05 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: rooboy316 on July 16, 2023, 05:44:47 AM
I know it's been political and off-topic, but have read the last few pages with a lot of interest!

Ashtonvilla, is it that you think there are too many 'sub-par' teachers in the system to justify improving pay and conditions for all? And for those that are motivated, hard working and competent (curious to know ballpark, what percentage of the profession you think that might be), do you think pay and working conditions are reasonable?

Do you think improving pay and conditions might a) attract more people to the job, improving the pool of potential candidates schools can select from and b) improve the performance of more teachers if they are motivated and resourced to do their jobs better?

Genuinely curious about your thinking on this, and what you see as the solutions to improving schools.

Not going to ruin the thread, but yes. I will set up a thread in off topic and answer this when I get chance. Sorry for not responding sooner but been really busy.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 18, 2023, 12:07:35 AM
			

			

				I was about to check Urban Dictionary to see what 'taking her up the monto' was slang for. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on July 18, 2023, 01:47:48 AM
			

			

				Wasn't the Monto, Dublin's red light district in the rare aul times?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: adrenachrome on July 18, 2023, 03:03:17 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on July 18, 2023, 01:47:48 AM
Wasn't the Monto, Dublin's red light district in the rare aul times?

Yes; North East Dublin.

James Joyce would be your main man to wax eloquent and byzantine.

https://www.jamesjoyce1904.com/the-monto
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rory on July 18, 2023, 03:30:46 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: adrenachrome on July 18, 2023, 03:03:17 AM
Quote from: eamonn on July 18, 2023, 01:47:48 AM
Wasn't the Monto, Dublin's red light district in the rare aul times?

Yes; North East Dublin.

James Joyce would be your main man to wax eloquent and byzantine.

https://www.jamesjoyce1904.com/the-monto

That's just what this thread needs; some Joyce 😉
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Scott Nielsen on July 18, 2023, 03:39:09 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: villadelph on July 17, 2023, 03:57:42 PM
Quote from: LeeB on July 17, 2023, 03:42:02 PM
Quote from: CT Villan on July 17, 2023, 03:36:29 PM
Quote from: Ger Regan on July 17, 2023, 01:01:51 PM
Florida is hardly a beacon of hope for the lgbtq+ community, or people of colour. A number of organisations have issued travel warnings for the state, so while they're not at the level of Saudi Arabia, it is a fair comparison.
 
That's funny because Florida quite literally WAS the beacon of hope to all the Cuban refugees that escaped the wonderful, loving and caring utopian Castro regime. Unless of course you don't consider Cubans to be "people of color"  ::)

The yanks had been pillaging the country with their puppet dictator for decades, but you go with your Hollywood story

What.. they had a transfer embargo for the second half of the 1900s and the US just starting normalizing relations within the last 10 or so years under Obama. Americans can travel there, not as tourists, after jumping through hoops. Puppet dictator Castro.. for Russia..?

LeeB is referring to Batista. I don't think anyone will dispute he was a U.S. puppet dictator from '52 onwards. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 18, 2023, 05:57:48 AM
			

			

				Decon
Quote from: Rory on July 18, 2023, 03:30:46 AM
Quote from: adrenachrome on July 18, 2023, 03:03:17 AM
Quote from: eamonn on July 18, 2023, 01:47:48 AM
Wasn't the Monto, Dublin's red light district in the rare aul times?

Yes; North East Dublin.

James Joyce would be your main man to wax eloquent and byzantine.

https://www.jamesjoyce1904.com/the-monto

That's just what this thread needs; some Joyce 😉

Second most overrated writer of all time after Proust. Have we signed anyone yet?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dr.chekov on July 18, 2023, 06:31:47 AM
			

			

				Well neither are fit to lace Kafka’s boots, but most overrated of all time? Come on, you not read John Updike? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 18, 2023, 08:00:05 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: dr.chekov on July 18, 2023, 06:31:47 AM
Well neither are fit to lace Kafka’s boots, but most overrated of all time? Come on, you not read John Updike? 

Does anyone rate him? Worst book I ever read was Under the Volcano by Malcolm Lowry though.

Not having a good morning, BA wouldn’t check my bags through to Perth and no chance I can make the connection. Trying to get a different flight, but it would be the first flight I take the family on.

Signing would cheer me up.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dr.chekov on July 18, 2023, 08:07:12 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 18, 2023, 08:00:05 AM
Quote from: dr.chekov on July 18, 2023, 06:31:47 AM
Well neither are fit to lace Kafka’s boots, but most overrated of all time? Come on, you not read John Updike? 

Does anyone rate him? 

Martin Amis (did). 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on July 18, 2023, 08:10:36 AM
			

			

				Is there nothing to be said for Adrian Edmondson's The Gobbler?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 18, 2023, 08:22:53 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on July 18, 2023, 01:47:48 AM
Wasn't the Monto, Dublin's red light district in the rare aul times?

Yep. 

The song is by The Dubliners, probably lots of other versions too. 

I'm hearing "Give the ball to Gnonto, Gnonto, Gnonto. Give the ball to Gnonto, he'll score two, on you" 

https://youtu.be/Wny_0pi4hR4
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 18, 2023, 09:05:14 AM
			

			

				Tell me when will you be mine
Tell me Gnonto, Gnonto, Gnonto
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 18, 2023, 09:07:56 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on July 18, 2023, 09:05:14 AM
Tell me when will you be mine
Tell me Gnonto, Gnonto, Gnonto

Ooh, that's good too. See, this is an element often overlooked when signing players. Gnonto scores  100 on the singability scale.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on July 18, 2023, 09:12:41 AM
			

			

				Lots more talk of Diabloy today and our 50m EURO bid.

I think if the player is set on coming then it could be done soon, if he's happy to stay then I think they'll hold out for the 60m.

If we spend 60m EURO on him, how much more do we reckon we will have in the kitty this window? And will we be looking for a striker?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 18, 2023, 09:14:27 AM
			

			

				Not many gone out yet really or any strong rumours  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 18, 2023, 09:15:11 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 18, 2023, 09:12:41 AM
Lots more talk of Diabloy today and our 50m EURO bid.

I think if the player is set on coming then it could be done soon, if he's happy to stay then I think they'll hold out for the 60m.

If we spend 60m EURO on him, how much more do we reckon we will have in the kitty this window? And will we be looking for a striker?

I expect that we'd probably still sign one more attacker, but I reckon they'd see Watkins, Archer and Diaby as suitable cover for the one-up-front position and we'd then be looking at competition for Bailey. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 18, 2023, 09:17:45 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 18, 2023, 09:12:41 AM
Lots more talk of Diabloy today and our 50m EURO bid.

I think if the player is set on coming then it could be done soon, if he's happy to stay then I think they'll hold out for the 60m.

If we spend 60m EURO on him, how much more do we reckon we will have in the kitty this window? And will we be looking for a striker?

If we get Diaby, I think we'd go for a younger forward like Johnson or Gnonto, and that would be more or less it.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on July 18, 2023, 09:21:23 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on July 18, 2023, 09:17:45 AM
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 18, 2023, 09:12:41 AM
Lots more talk of Diabloy today and our 50m EURO bid.

I think if the player is set on coming then it could be done soon, if he's happy to stay then I think they'll hold out for the 60m.

If we spend 60m EURO on him, how much more do we reckon we will have in the kitty this window? And will we be looking for a striker?

If we get Diaby, I think we'd go for a younger forward like Johnson or Gnonto, and that would be more or less it.

Woukd you be happy with it? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 18, 2023, 09:23:55 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on July 18, 2023, 09:14:27 AM
Not many gone out yet really or any strong rumours 

I've seen Dendocker, Digne, Sanson, Traore, and Nakamba linked with named clubs, and a couple of things saying we're considering them, but there's been nothing to imply any real movement on any of them. 
International players were back yesterday at training but I think there's still some faces missing, so maybe that's the best indication of something happening? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on July 18, 2023, 09:29:40 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on July 18, 2023, 09:21:23 AM
Quote from: Risso on July 18, 2023, 09:17:45 AM
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 18, 2023, 09:12:41 AM
Lots more talk of Diabloy today and our 50m EURO bid.

I think if the player is set on coming then it could be done soon, if he's happy to stay then I think they'll hold out for the 60m.

If we spend 60m EURO on him, how much more do we reckon we will have in the kitty this window? And will we be looking for a striker?

If we get Diaby, I think we'd go for a younger forward like Johnson or Gnonto, and that would be more or less it.

Woukd you be happy with it? 

I terms of forwards yes, but we still need a bit more cover at full back and goalie. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on July 18, 2023, 09:30:27 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Scott Nielsen on July 18, 2023, 03:39:09 AM
Quote from: villadelph on July 17, 2023, 03:57:42 PM
Quote from: LeeB on July 17, 2023, 03:42:02 PM
Quote from: CT Villan on July 17, 2023, 03:36:29 PM
Quote from: Ger Regan on July 17, 2023, 01:01:51 PM
Florida is hardly a beacon of hope for the lgbtq+ community, or people of colour. A number of organisations have issued travel warnings for the state, so while they're not at the level of Saudi Arabia, it is a fair comparison.
 
That's funny because Florida quite literally WAS the beacon of hope to all the Cuban refugees that escaped the wonderful, loving and caring utopian Castro regime. Unless of course you don't consider Cubans to be "people of color"  ::)

The yanks had been pillaging the country with their puppet dictator for decades, but you go with your Hollywood story

What.. they had a transfer embargo for the second half of the 1900s and the US just starting normalizing relations within the last 10 or so years under Obama. Americans can travel there, not as tourists, after jumping through hoops. Puppet dictator Castro.. for Russia..?

LeeB is referring to Batista. I don't think anyone will dispute he was a U.S. puppet dictator from '52 onwards. 

Yes I was, thanks Scott.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on July 18, 2023, 09:30:58 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on July 18, 2023, 09:29:40 AM
Quote from: Drummond on July 18, 2023, 09:21:23 AM
Quote from: Risso on July 18, 2023, 09:17:45 AM
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 18, 2023, 09:12:41 AM
Lots more talk of Diabloy today and our 50m EURO bid.

I think if the player is set on coming then it could be done soon, if he's happy to stay then I think they'll hold out for the 60m.

If we spend 60m EURO on him, how much more do we reckon we will have in the kitty this window? And will we be looking for a striker?

If we get Diaby, I think we'd go for a younger forward like Johnson or Gnonto, and that would be more or less it.

Woukd you be happy with it? 

I terms of forwards yes, but we still need a bit more cover at full back and goalie. 

Agreed - if that’s the case then it’s time for Archer to be the back up striker.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 18, 2023, 09:31:44 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rory on July 18, 2023, 03:30:46 AM
Quote from: adrenachrome on July 18, 2023, 03:03:17 AM
Quote from: eamonn on July 18, 2023, 01:47:48 AM
Wasn't the Monto, Dublin's red light district in the rare aul times?

Yes; North East Dublin.

James Joyce would be your main man to wax eloquent and byzantine.

https://www.jamesjoyce1904.com/the-monto

That's just what this thread needs; some Joyce 😉

Rumoured that we're in for Llanez, the young American winger at Wolfsburg.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: jwarry on July 18, 2023, 09:39:46 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on July 18, 2023, 09:31:44 AM
Quote from: Rory on July 18, 2023, 03:30:46 AM
Quote from: adrenachrome on July 18, 2023, 03:03:17 AM
Quote from: eamonn on July 18, 2023, 01:47:48 AM
Wasn't the Monto, Dublin's red light district in the rare aul times?

Yes; North East Dublin.

James Joyce would be your main man to wax eloquent and byzantine.

https://www.jamesjoyce1904.com/the-monto

That's just what this thread needs; some Joyce 😉

Rumoured that we're in for Llanez, the young American winger at Wolfsburg.

All very similar these wingers we are linked with, all short quick and skilful, so that’s clearly what Unai feels is needed.  Hope he’s better than the last Ulysses we had!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 18, 2023, 09:41:34 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 18, 2023, 09:23:55 AM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on July 18, 2023, 09:14:27 AM
Not many gone out yet really or any strong rumours 

I've seen Dendocker, Digne, Sanson, Traore, and Nakamba linked with named clubs, and a couple of things saying we're considering them, but there's been nothing to imply any real movement on any of them. 
International players were back yesterday at training but I think there's still some faces missing, so maybe that's the best indication of something happening? 

Yep and still along way to go I guess 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 18, 2023, 09:47:20 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on July 18, 2023, 09:21:23 AM
Quote from: Risso on July 18, 2023, 09:17:45 AM
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 18, 2023, 09:12:41 AM
Lots more talk of Diabloy today and our 50m EURO bid.

I think if the player is set on coming then it could be done soon, if he's happy to stay then I think they'll hold out for the 60m.

If we spend 60m EURO on him, how much more do we reckon we will have in the kitty this window? And will we be looking for a striker?

If we get Diaby, I think we'd go for a younger forward like Johnson or Gnonto, and that would be more or less it.

Woukd you be happy with it? 

Absolutely. As Lee says, I think they'll bring a new reserve goalie in, and maybe a right back, but in terms of high profile signings it would be a brilliant summer, with strength and competition in all departments. Oh and a bit of pace, which we've missed for years.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on July 18, 2023, 09:59:59 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on July 18, 2023, 09:47:20 AM
Quote from: Drummond on July 18, 2023, 09:21:23 AM
Quote from: Risso on July 18, 2023, 09:17:45 AM
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 18, 2023, 09:12:41 AM
Lots more talk of Diabloy today and our 50m EURO bid.

I think if the player is set on coming then it could be done soon, if he's happy to stay then I think they'll hold out for the 60m.

If we spend 60m EURO on him, how much more do we reckon we will have in the kitty this window? And will we be looking for a striker?

If we get Diaby, I think we'd go for a younger forward like Johnson or Gnonto, and that would be more or less it.

Woukd you be happy with it? 

Absolutely. As Lee says, I think they'll bring a new reserve goalie in, and maybe a right back, but in terms of high profile signings it would be a brilliant summer, with strength and competition in all departments. Oh and a bit of pace, which we've missed for years.

I think I'm with you and Lee, though I'd balance it with wanting another forward if we let Philogene, Traore and Bailey go.

Definitely another keeper, though I wonder if Martinez wants to play every game...

As for RB, we have Cash and then Chambers and Konsa can do a job, as can the younger players. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on July 18, 2023, 10:06:40 AM
			

			

				You might be right regarding the right back, was just thinking how Newcastle sailed into the Champions League spots with Dan Burn or Matt Target as left back options
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 18, 2023, 10:08:10 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on July 18, 2023, 09:59:59 AM
Quote from: Risso on July 18, 2023, 09:47:20 AM
Quote from: Drummond on July 18, 2023, 09:21:23 AM
Quote from: Risso on July 18, 2023, 09:17:45 AM
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 18, 2023, 09:12:41 AM
Lots more talk of Diabloy today and our 50m EURO bid.

I think if the player is set on coming then it could be done soon, if he's happy to stay then I think they'll hold out for the 60m.

If we spend 60m EURO on him, how much more do we reckon we will have in the kitty this window? And will we be looking for a striker?

If we get Diaby, I think we'd go for a younger forward like Johnson or Gnonto, and that would be more or less it.

Woukd you be happy with it? 

Absolutely. As Lee says, I think they'll bring a new reserve goalie in, and maybe a right back, but in terms of high profile signings it would be a brilliant summer, with strength and competition in all departments. Oh and a bit of pace, which we've missed for years.

I think I'm with you and Lee, though I'd balance it with wanting another forward if we let Philogene, Traore and Bailey go.

I don't think there's any suggestion that we *would* let all three of those go is there?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on July 18, 2023, 10:09:01 AM
			

			

				I don't see us letting Bailey go at all, unless a mad bid came in for him
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on July 18, 2023, 10:21:43 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on July 18, 2023, 10:09:01 AM
I don't see us letting Bailey go at all, unless a mad bid came in for him

Bailey is at that two years left stage now where they will be looking at whether they offer a new contract or not, so it's a big season for him.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on July 18, 2023, 10:24:28 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on July 18, 2023, 09:14:27 AM
Not many gone out yet really or any strong rumours 
Some suggestion that some Turkish side or other want Bertie, though there's quite a difference between 'want' and 'are able to afford'.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: baddowvillans on July 18, 2023, 10:25:06 AM
			

			

				Apparently the German side are "brasing" themselves for an Increased bid for Diaby by Villa.

Also talk of Mello on a loan with Villa paying his wages?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 18, 2023, 10:31:03 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 18, 2023, 10:21:43 AM
Quote from: LeeB on July 18, 2023, 10:09:01 AM
I don't see us letting Bailey go at all, unless a mad bid came in for him

Bailey is at that two years left stage now where they will be looking at whether they offer a new contract or not, so it's a big season for him.

Yup. You'd think that either he's great this season and we want to give him a new deal or he's not very good and we're sending him to Ajax or Frankfurt for £10m or so.

He definitely wouldn't be the first player to have a stonkingly good season just as new contracts need to be discussed...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on July 18, 2023, 10:32:09 AM
			

			

				Just out of interest - is Diaby any good.  His stats look similar to bailey - who isn't up to the standard IMO.

Unless Bailey's early injury has made him a different player then he would have otherwise have been.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dicedlam on July 18, 2023, 10:36:33 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on July 18, 2023, 10:31:03 AM
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 18, 2023, 10:21:43 AM
Quote from: LeeB on July 18, 2023, 10:09:01 AM
I don't see us letting Bailey go at all, unless a mad bid came in for him

Bailey is at that two years left stage now where they will be looking at whether they offer a new contract or not, so it's a big season for him.

Yup. You'd think that either he's great this season and we want to give him a new deal or he's not very good and we're sending him to Ajax or Frankfurt for £10m or so.

He definitely wouldn't be the first player to have a stonkingly good season just as new contracts need to be discussed...

I'm sure his old man is waiting for the right moment...


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villatillidie25 on July 18, 2023, 10:38:33 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Beard82 on July 18, 2023, 10:32:09 AM
Just out of interest - is Diaby any good.  His stats look similar to bailey - who isn't up to the standard IMO.

Unless Bailey's early injury has made him a different player then he would have otherwise have been.  

I think there's a lot in that to be honest. His time with us has largely been plagued by injuries/niggles. That Everton game when he scored and injured his quad, he was devastating. He's definitely inconsistent (but what wingers aren't!?) and I, personally, think he's better on the left as an out and out winger. Ultimately, I think it's going to be a case of what could have been, sadly
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 18, 2023, 10:42:27 AM
			

			

				I trust Emery completely to get the best out of players, and you only have to look at Mings, McGinn and Watkins for proof. Unfortunately I think we're seeing the best that Bailey has to offer, and frankly it's miles off being good enough. Similar position with Buendia. £60m worth of mediocrity I'm afraid to say.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on July 18, 2023, 10:55:33 AM
			

			

				I know nothing about Diaby other than the highlights reel, my initial observation was he looked very very left footed . £50-60m i'd be very nervous about this one . But Emery seems to know what he's doing so i'm chilled
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: jwarry on July 18, 2023, 11:06:25 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: VillaTim on July 18, 2023, 10:55:33 AM
I know nothing about Diaby other than the highlights reel, my initial observation was he looked very very left footed . £50-60m i'd be very nervous about this one . But Emery seems to know what he's doing so i'm chilled

Well so far, prior to Youri and Pau, there has been one Unai signing and he didn’t turn out too bad!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on July 18, 2023, 11:09:15 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: baddowvillans on July 18, 2023, 10:25:06 AM
Apparently the German side are "brasing" themselves for an Increased bid for Diaby by Villa.

Also talk of Mello on a loan with Villa paying his wages?

Mello? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on July 18, 2023, 11:12:52 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: coreyfeldman on July 18, 2023, 11:09:15 AM
Quote from: baddowvillans on July 18, 2023, 10:25:06 AM
Apparently the German side are "brasing" themselves for an Increased bid for Diaby by Villa.

Also talk of Mello on a loan with Villa paying his wages?

Mello?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Melo
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 18, 2023, 11:15:47 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: coreyfeldman on July 18, 2023, 11:09:15 AM
Quote from: baddowvillans on July 18, 2023, 10:25:06 AM
Apparently the German side are "brasing" themselves for an Increased bid for Diaby by Villa.

Also talk of Mello on a loan with Villa paying his wages?

Mello?

Probably going to Norwich, Villarreal or Dortmund.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on July 18, 2023, 11:16:30 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: coreyfeldman on July 18, 2023, 11:09:15 AM
Quote from: baddowvillans on July 18, 2023, 10:25:06 AM
Apparently the German side are "brasing" themselves for an Increased bid for Diaby by Villa.

Also talk of Mello on a loan with Villa paying his wages?

Mello? 

Is it me you're looking for?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 18, 2023, 11:19:22 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on July 18, 2023, 11:15:47 AM
Quote from: coreyfeldman on July 18, 2023, 11:09:15 AM
Quote from: baddowvillans on July 18, 2023, 10:25:06 AM
Apparently the German side are "brasing" themselves for an Increased bid for Diaby by Villa.

Also talk of Mello on a loan with Villa paying his wages?

Mello?

Probably going to Norwich, Villarreal or Dortmund.

Clever.

Or Palace, Brighton or Swindon.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Tayls_7 on July 18, 2023, 11:19:33 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on July 18, 2023, 11:16:30 AM
Quote from: coreyfeldman on July 18, 2023, 11:09:15 AM
Quote from: baddowvillans on July 18, 2023, 10:25:06 AM
Apparently the German side are "brasing" themselves for an Increased bid for Diaby by Villa.

Also talk of Mello on a loan with Villa paying his wages?

Mello? 

Is it me you're looking for?

They call him Mello Yellow.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 18, 2023, 11:27:54 AM
			

			

				Right, there's a lot of bollocks being talked on this thread (most of it by me), but James Joyce is overrated? Fuck that ,fuck anyone who thinks it, and if anyone has a problem with that they can come and find me personally and we'll have it out. And if you think I won't tear off your head and shit down your neck, yes I said yes I will Yes.*


*I won't.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dr.chekov on July 18, 2023, 11:30:13 AM
			

			

				He's on a flight to Australia, so you might have to wait a while.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 18, 2023, 11:34:17 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: dr.chekov on July 18, 2023, 11:30:13 AM
He's on a flight to Australia, so you might have to wait a while.

Think you're escaping and run into yourself. Longest way round is the shortest way home.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dr.chekov on July 18, 2023, 11:36:25 AM
			

			

				Very good.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Legion on July 18, 2023, 11:41:11 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 17, 2023, 03:32:09 PM
Do the H and V moderators here get paid? Or did they all go to Saudi Arabia too? 
Perhaps they can step in here if not and steer this back to Transfer News as the talk is a major money move by our beloved club is to be done and discussion is getting lost

Diaby! And Bailey ! Back together again! 


We get paid?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: danno on July 18, 2023, 11:47:53 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 18, 2023, 11:27:54 AM
Right, there's a lot of bollocks being talked on this thread (most of it by me), but James Joyce is overrated? Fuck that ,fuck anyone who thinks it, and if anyone has a problem with that they can come and find me personally and we'll have it out. And if you think I won't tear off your head and shit down your neck, yes I said yes I will Yes.*


*I won't.

Never heard of him, did he write pesky blighters?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 18, 2023, 11:48:53 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Legion on July 18, 2023, 11:41:11 AM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 17, 2023, 03:32:09 PM
Do the H and V moderators here get paid? Or did they all go to Saudi Arabia too? 
Perhaps they can step in here if not and steer this back to Transfer News as the talk is a major money move by our beloved club is to be done and discussion is getting lost

Diaby! And Bailey ! Back together again! 


We get paid?

From everything I've heard about Mr Woodhall, I'd be astounded if you weren't all on six figures!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 18, 2023, 11:49:50 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: danno on July 18, 2023, 11:47:53 AM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 18, 2023, 11:27:54 AM
Right, there's a lot of bollocks being talked on this thread (most of it by me), but James Joyce is overrated? Fuck that ,fuck anyone who thinks it, and if anyone has a problem with that they can come and find me personally and we'll have it out. And if you think I won't tear off your head and shit down your neck, yes I said yes I will Yes.*


*I won't.

Never heard of him, did he write pesky blighters?

He was a bare-knuckle fighter from Bootle.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 18, 2023, 11:55:17 AM
			

			

				I don't think I've knowingly ever read a single word by Joyce. I've heard that his stuff is quite inpenetratable at times, and I don't have the energy or patience to persevere with anything like that I'm afraid.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 18, 2023, 11:58:03 AM
			

			

				You read seven words of Joyce in my post above.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on July 18, 2023, 11:59:29 AM
			

			

				https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1681255973585821697?t=JkBQUiJxrRTIe2dOvm5RNw&s=19

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bobby Boy on July 18, 2023, 12:00:00 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on July 18, 2023, 11:55:17 AM
I don't think I've knowingly ever read a single word by Joyce. I've heard that his stuff is quite inpenetratable at times, and I don't have the energy or patience to persevere with anything like that I'm afraid.

'Ulysses' is pretty hard going. I got a third of the way through before giving up as my brain was starting to over-heat.

Anyway, back to the Villa...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on July 18, 2023, 12:00:40 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 18, 2023, 11:58:03 AM
You read seven words of Joyce in my post above.

So even Joyce knew Woodhall!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on July 18, 2023, 12:01:38 PM
			

			

				I own a copy of Ulysses. Unfortunately.

I'm happy to sit for hours and decipher C# code and SQL queries, but I have to draw the line somewhere.

Now, The Gobbler by Adrian Edmondson is an absolute masterclass. It has chisels, poultry, and lots of alcohol in it, who could ask for more in literature?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Vegas on July 18, 2023, 12:02:35 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: coreyfeldman on July 18, 2023, 11:59:29 AM
https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1681255973585821697?t=JkBQUiJxrRTIe2dOvm5RNw&s=19

Romano says it's done?

Not in that tweet, he doesn’t?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 18, 2023, 12:03:05 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: coreyfeldman on July 18, 2023, 11:59:29 AM
https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1681255973585821697?t=JkBQUiJxrRTIe2dOvm5RNw&s=19

Romano says it's done? 

If he does, he doesn't say it in that tweet.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on July 18, 2023, 12:03:17 PM
			

			

				Nobody has to like anything in particular. I can't really get into Henry James, for instance. But 'overrated' is a statement with pretensione to objectivity, i.e. 'and if you like him you're wrong.' And almost anyone who thinks that about Joyce isn't worth listening to, and I'd guess the same is true of James.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: danno on July 18, 2023, 12:04:25 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 18, 2023, 12:01:38 PM
I own a copy of Ulysses. Unfortunately.

I'm happy to sit for hours and decipher C# code and SQL queries, but I have to draw the line somewhere.

Now, The Gobbler by Adrian Edmondson is an absolute masterclass. It has chisels, poultry, and lots of alcohol in it, who could ask for more in literature?

I feel like “the gobbler” was either a Roald Dahl villain, or somebody Bon Scott would have written a song about.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bad English on July 18, 2023, 12:05:06 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 18, 2023, 11:34:17 AM
Quote from: dr.chekov on July 18, 2023, 11:30:13 AM
He's on a flight to Australia, so you might have to wait a while.

Think you're escaping and run into yourself. Longest way round is the shortest way home.
The flight is too short to read a bad book.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on July 18, 2023, 12:05:36 PM
			

			

				Apologies, somehow misread this. Too distracted by Irish modernism
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 18, 2023, 12:06:03 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Monty on July 18, 2023, 12:03:17 PM
Nobody has to like anything in particular. I can't really get into Henry James, for instance. But 'overrated' is a statement with pretensione to objectivity, i.e. 'and if you like him you're wrong.' And almost anyone who thinks that about Joyce isn't worth listening to, and I'd guess the same is true of James.

I'm the same with James. It felt like every tutor I had at university had a massive boner for him so I spent ages not reading him. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on July 18, 2023, 12:08:41 PM
			

			

				I did the James Joyce tour of Dublin which meant being dragged around various slums of Dublin whilst some bloke  his nephew apparently prattled on about this being where -( pick any obscure scene from his books) before moving on to the next place. It was pretty pointless as I had never read anything by him. So I went out and bought Ulysses and I think I got about half way through it before giving up.
Dis is where Mary Higgins crossed the road whilst just a few doors down Patrick oshaunssy was stripping the wallpaper off  the back parlour but unbeknown to him Albert McNally was sleeping off a late night with his wife in the next room peeling potatoes.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 18, 2023, 12:10:13 PM
			

			

				And there's your final confirmation of the genuis of James Joyce.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dr.chekov on July 18, 2023, 12:15:53 PM
			

			

				The Joyce industry is pretty horrible. As it is for any dead writer, I guess. Except the Beckett estate, who just tell everybody to fuck off.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 18, 2023, 12:22:39 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: dr.chekov on July 18, 2023, 12:15:53 PM
The Joyce industry is pretty horrible. As it is for any dead writer, I guess. Except the Beckett estate, who just tell everybody to fuck off.

I've had money off the Beckett estate (actually, it was the Beckett Society, which is probably different) to do a show in New York. Nobody came. It was very Beckett.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dr.chekov on July 18, 2023, 12:23:57 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 18, 2023, 12:22:39 PM
Quote from: dr.chekov on July 18, 2023, 12:15:53 PM
The Joyce industry is pretty horrible. As it is for any dead writer, I guess. Except the Beckett estate, who just tell everybody to fuck off.

I've had money off the Beckett estate (actually, it was the Beckett Society, which is probably different) to do a show in New York. Nobody came. It was very Beckett.

Now that is cool.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on July 18, 2023, 12:25:07 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 18, 2023, 12:06:03 PM
Quote from: Monty on July 18, 2023, 12:03:17 PM
Nobody has to like anything in particular. I can't really get into Henry James, for instance. But 'overrated' is a statement with pretensione to objectivity, i.e. 'and if you like him you're wrong.' And almost anyone who thinks that about Joyce isn't worth listening to, and I'd guess the same is true of James.

I'm the same with James. It felt like every tutor I had at university had a massive boner for him so I spent ages not reading him. 

I quite like the earlier, leaner stuff, like Washington Square, but in 4 tries I've never yet gone beyond Portrait of a Lady. The critical consensus informs me that I'm wrong, which I respect and applaud, but I can't do other than be what I be.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 18, 2023, 12:25:09 PM
			

			

				It didn't feel it at the time!

Edit: I was responding to the good doctor.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 18, 2023, 12:26:49 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Monty on July 18, 2023, 12:25:07 PM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 18, 2023, 12:06:03 PM
Quote from: Monty on July 18, 2023, 12:03:17 PM
Nobody has to like anything in particular. I can't really get into Henry James, for instance. But 'overrated' is a statement with pretensione to objectivity, i.e. 'and if you like him you're wrong.' And almost anyone who thinks that about Joyce isn't worth listening to, and I'd guess the same is true of James.

I'm the same with James. It felt like every tutor I had at university had a massive boner for him so I spent ages not reading him. 

I quite like the earlier, leaner stuff, like Washington Square, but in 4 tries I've never yet gone beyond Portrait of a Lady. The critical consensus informs me that I'm wrong, which I respect and applaud, but I can't do other than be what I be.

You've gone way further than me with him.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on July 18, 2023, 12:33:28 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Monty on July 18, 2023, 12:03:17 PM
Nobody has to like anything in particular. I can't really get into Henry James, for instance. But 'overrated' is a statement with pretensione to objectivity, i.e. 'and if you like him you're wrong.' And almost anyone who thinks that about Joyce isn't worth listening to, and I'd guess the same is true of James.
Is Henry James the missing link? If we had him are we odds on for Champions League qualification? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on July 18, 2023, 12:36:52 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: olaftab on July 18, 2023, 12:33:28 PM
Quote from: Monty on July 18, 2023, 12:03:17 PM
Nobody has to like anything in particular. I can't really get into Henry James, for instance. But 'overrated' is a statement with pretensione to objectivity, i.e. 'and if you like him you're wrong.' And almost anyone who thinks that about Joyce isn't worth listening to, and I'd guess the same is true of James.
Is Henry James the missing link? If we had him are we odds on for Champions League qualification?

And is his name pronounced Onree Hames?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Mister E on July 18, 2023, 12:39:00 PM
			

			

				I consider myself to be pretty eclectic in my reading tastes and have read books from many genres. James Joyce is an author that has always eluded me ... I just cannot get on with his writing. Can't explain it; just the way it is I suppose.

It wouldn't put me off welcoming a player with Ulysses in his name; no, not at all.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 18, 2023, 12:50:23 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: olaftab on July 18, 2023, 12:33:28 PM
Quote from: Monty on July 18, 2023, 12:03:17 PM
Nobody has to like anything in particular. I can't really get into Henry James, for instance. But 'overrated' is a statement with pretensione to objectivity, i.e. 'and if you like him you're wrong.' And almost anyone who thinks that about Joyce isn't worth listening to, and I'd guess the same is true of James.
Is Henry James the missing link? If we had him are we odds on for Champions League qualification?

He'd definitely help us turn the screw in our attempts for top four.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on July 18, 2023, 12:53:01 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Mister E on July 18, 2023, 12:39:00 PM
I consider myself to be pretty eclectic in my reading tastes and have read books from many genres. James Joyce is an author that has always eluded me ... I just cannot get on with his writing. Can't explain it; just the way it is I suppose.

It wouldn't put me off welcoming a player with Ulysses in his name; no, not at all.

We'd just end up cruelly misnoming him like De La Cruz.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Baldy on July 18, 2023, 12:59:00 PM
			

			

				I like Hooters magazine.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 18, 2023, 12:59:59 PM
			

			

				Monchi has gone for Isco apparently.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Chris_Jephcott on July 18, 2023, 01:00:39 PM
			

			

				I hate Al Nassr and wish they’d just fuck off into that nasty, baking hot, sandflea ridden, human rights abuse level of Dante’s inferno that they come from.

There. I’ve said it.



			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dr.chekov on July 18, 2023, 01:04:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Mister E on July 18, 2023, 12:39:00 PM
I consider myself to be pretty eclectic in my reading tastes and have read books from many genres. James Joyce is an author that has always eluded me ... I just cannot get on with his writing. Can't explain it; just the way it is I suppose.

It wouldn't put me off welcoming a player with Ulysses in his name; no, not at all.

He didn’t have a style of writing to get along with. He borrowed and stole and mixed and matched – like lots of modernists. 

He wrote 4 novels/book of short stories and they’re all completely different. And in Ulysses the style changes throughout. 

Maybe perfect for an eclectic reader.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dave shelley on July 18, 2023, 01:05:14 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on July 18, 2023, 11:55:17 AM
I don't think I've knowingly ever read a single word by Joyce. I've heard that his stuff is quite inpenetratable at times, and I don't have the energy or patience to persevere with anything like that I'm afraid.

Dubliners is quite good.  I've had a copy of Ulysses on the bookshelf for a few years now and it's beginning to look at me with puppy dog eyes but I'm terrified of starting it.

Worst book I can remember was Mrs Dalloway by Virginia Woolf, it put me off reading anything else of hers.

Alexander Solzhenitsyn is another it's nigh-on impossible to read.  

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 18, 2023, 01:09:32 PM
			

			

				One report saying we've bid €50 million (45+5add ons) for Diaby and Leverkusen are now waiting to see if the Saudis come back in. 
Another report saying Diaby himself has already accepted their contract offer and has given Leverkusen the nod to start negotiations with them. 

Don't think I'd be going above 50 in a Saudi bidding war, especially for a player who is open to going to Saudi at this point in his career. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ger Regan on July 18, 2023, 01:14:11 PM
			

			

				If those rumours are true, a shame, but move on to the next target.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on July 18, 2023, 01:19:28 PM
			

			

				If he would rather go to the Saudi's then his sole motivation is money, and it's best that we know that now. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rigadon on July 18, 2023, 01:21:36 PM
			

			

				I’d imagine players agents will be using the Saudi Pro league as a new way to bump up contract offers.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: mallo on July 18, 2023, 01:29:53 PM
			

			

				Apparently Jeremy Doku a backup according to the twitter guy - looks like we're definitely looking at tricky fast wingers. If Diaby wants to be stinking rich then fine - until the Saudis came along it's what coming to the premier league was like to all other european footy countries as we paid the highest wages en masse. I do hope we get a few in in the next couple of weeks.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on July 18, 2023, 01:39:44 PM
			

			

				According to Romano earlier he said yes to us before the fee was agreed. I would hope, and I accept I might be being naive, that his word was good and we just needed to hammer out a deal with his club. Let’s see that indeed is the case.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 18, 2023, 01:41:09 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 18, 2023, 01:39:44 PM
According to Romano earlier he said yes to us before the fee was agreed. I would hope, and I accept I might be being naive, that his word was good and we just needed to hammer out a deal with his club. Let’s see that indeed is the case.

That's my take on it atm.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 18, 2023, 01:44:24 PM
			

			

				The reports I was referring to probably aren't from reliable sources, just in case that needed clarification. Just a lot of differing stories doing the rounds today. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on July 18, 2023, 01:49:31 PM
			

			

				If Diaby at the age of 24 can't pick between Premier League and ****** Super League than he is not the right man for us. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ger Regan on July 18, 2023, 01:53:01 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 18, 2023, 12:59:59 PM
Monchi has gone for Isco apparently.
I initially assumed that meant he was looking at signing him, but no, Isco's claiming that he attacked him. Looks like we might have a bit of a livewire on our hands. If true etc. and so forth.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 18, 2023, 01:53:28 PM
			

			

				Telegraph reporting that Nakamba to Luton will be a done deal within the next few days. As noted he wasn't in any of the preseason pics/vids and we apparently had no plans to reintegrate him with the squad. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on July 18, 2023, 01:54:09 PM
			

			

				I imagine Leverkusen would be a bit pissed off too since he told them that he wanted to play in the Premier League. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 18, 2023, 01:57:49 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on July 18, 2023, 01:54:09 PM
I imagine Leverkusen would be a bit pissed off too since he told them that he wanted to play in the Premier League.

I'm pretty sure I read that they don't actually want to sell him, which is a worry simply because if the player demands a move, it would be understandable if they just held on for as big a bid as possible, wherever it comes from. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on July 18, 2023, 01:59:23 PM
			

			

				25 days to go and I am getting a bit impatient.

Give us something, Villa! 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 18, 2023, 02:00:34 PM
			

			

				If a young player is only interested in the money then we're better off without. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 18, 2023, 02:13:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 18, 2023, 01:44:24 PM
The reports I was referring to probably aren't from reliable sources, just in case that needed clarification. Just a lot of differing stories doing the rounds today. 

We can all access twitter I want you to know so it's a good idea to only post reliable sources so we don't get our hopes up or have them dashed.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: wince on July 18, 2023, 02:21:09 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bad English on July 17, 2023, 07:15:11 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 17, 2023, 04:26:41 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 17, 2023, 04:04:41 PM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on July 17, 2023, 04:03:48 PM
Please can we have one thread ( a bloody important one as well as its about new recruits) to remain politics free.

If people want to discuss Saudi leagues and the politics behind it etc then fine - but not in a thread like this

Pretty please

Which transfers are you upset that people aren't discussing?
Why don't you and the merry band of moderators comply with the requests and moderate instead of asking questions. You can tell that not only are individuals unhappy, but there is also off-topic arguing on this thread. When there has been a significant amount of off-topic conversation, it is quite challenging to follow and discuss the specified issue.

It's all rather unpleasant to read and lacking in context of transfer discussion 
This goes against the forum's spirit and I want to say I'm dissatisfied with what is being allowed to continue. 


Up The Villa!
On a personal note, I'm very happy with this forum and the way it can enrich the often tedious, repetitive speculation about transfers, formations, shit badges and the like. If there were no OT ramblings there would be no point for me.  I get that some might find this frustrating but the only way to counter it is to post about the topic and hope somebody engages with you. Ranting and trying to change the spirit of a forum that has been in existence for a couple of decades is only going to end one way in my humble opinion.
Agree. I have fair bit of MH around things about hair loss, there is a topic on the OT about hair, I avoid it, don’t feel the need for the mods to change anything and love how we go off on a tangent, pun fest or African Car reverser marathon. Hate to say it, we are a bunch of mad motherfuckers on here who like the randomness so if you Footy don’t, maybe stop being Canute trying to stop the tide and look the other way or let it go.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on July 18, 2023, 02:22:54 PM
			

			

				I can't wait for Diaby to be announced.... then we can say 'we ave a Diaby do!'
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 18, 2023, 02:25:02 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brend'Watkins on July 18, 2023, 02:13:17 PM
Quote from: AV84 on July 18, 2023, 01:44:24 PM
The reports I was referring to probably aren't from reliable sources, just in case that needed clarification. Just a lot of differing stories doing the rounds today. 

We can all access twitter I want you to know so it's a good idea to only post reliable sources so we don't get our hopes up or have them dashed.

Perfectly fine to put that sort of stuff in here

Reliable stuff that looks like it might happen will have it's own thread, and nonsense rumours from Twitter or elsewhere are just as welcome here as more important stuff like the works of Joyce and analysis of Saudi Arabia's human rights records.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 18, 2023, 02:27:33 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brend'Watkins on July 18, 2023, 02:13:17 PM
We can all access twitter 

Strictly speaking, we can't.

One of Musk's bright ideas was that you can't view it read-only, you need to be logged in. 

Anyway, just pouncing on a chance to be pedantic, as is the way of this place!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 18, 2023, 02:28:21 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brend'Watkins on July 18, 2023, 02:13:17 PM
Quote from: AV84 on July 18, 2023, 01:44:24 PM
The reports I was referring to probably aren't from reliable sources, just in case that needed clarification. Just a lot of differing stories doing the rounds today. 

We can all access twitter I want you to know so it's a good idea to only post reliable sources so we don't get our hopes up or have them dashed.

I can't actually access twitter because I don't have an account and Elon made it so you can't see stuff without one. So you're wrong on that point. 

Also about 90% of this thread is pure nonsense, and it keeps everyone going, so if you're only looking for 100% verified news, I'd say check the official site once a day and save yourself the disappointment. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 18, 2023, 02:38:36 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 18, 2023, 02:28:21 PM
Quote from: Brend'Watkins on July 18, 2023, 02:13:17 PM
Quote from: AV84 on July 18, 2023, 01:44:24 PM
The reports I was referring to probably aren't from reliable sources, just in case that needed clarification. Just a lot of differing stories doing the rounds today. 

We can all access twitter I want you to know so it's a good idea to only post reliable sources so we don't get our hopes up or have them dashed.

I can't actually access twitter because I don't have an account and Elon made it so you can't see stuff without one. So you're wrong on that point. 

Also about 90% of this thread is pure nonsense, and it keeps everyone going, so if you're only looking for 100% verified news, I'd say check the official site once a day and save yourself the disappointment. 


if it was just verified news we would probably be on Page 2 by now 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dave.woodhall on July 18, 2023, 02:41:01 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 18, 2023, 02:28:21 PM
Quote from: Brend'Watkins on July 18, 2023, 02:13:17 PM
Quote from: AV84 on July 18, 2023, 01:44:24 PM
The reports I was referring to probably aren't from reliable sources, just in case that needed clarification. Just a lot of differing stories doing the rounds today. 

We can all access twitter I want you to know so it's a good idea to only post reliable sources so we don't get our hopes up or have them dashed.

I can't actually access twitter because I don't have an account and Elon made it so you can't see stuff without one. So you're wrong on that point. 

Also about 90% of this thread is pure nonsense, and it keeps everyone going, so if you're only looking for 100% verified news, I'd say check the official site once a day and save yourself the disappointment. 

Elon who?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: wince on July 18, 2023, 02:43:43 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 18, 2023, 02:41:01 PM
Quote from: AV84 on July 18, 2023, 02:28:21 PM
Quote from: Brend'Watkins on July 18, 2023, 02:13:17 PM
Quote from: AV84 on July 18, 2023, 01:44:24 PM
The reports I was referring to probably aren't from reliable sources, just in case that needed clarification. Just a lot of differing stories doing the rounds today. 

We can all access twitter I want you to know so it's a good idea to only post reliable sources so we don't get our hopes up or have them dashed.

I can't actually access twitter because I don't have an account and Elon made it so you can't see stuff without one. So you're wrong on that point. 

Also about 90% of this thread is pure nonsense, and it keeps everyone going, so if you're only looking for 100% verified news, I'd say check the official site once a day and save yourself the disappointment. 

Elon who?
Elon John. The megalomaniac alter ego of Elton who is literally a rocket man. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Mister E on July 18, 2023, 02:44:00 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: dr.chekov on July 18, 2023, 01:04:17 PM
Quote from: Mister E on July 18, 2023, 12:39:00 PM
I consider myself to be pretty eclectic in my reading tastes and have read books from many genres. James Joyce is an author that has always eluded me ... I just cannot get on with his writing. Can't explain it; just the way it is I suppose.

It wouldn't put me off welcoming a player with Ulysses in his name; no, not at all.
He didn’t have a style of writing to get along with. He borrowed and stole and mixed and matched – like lots of modernists. 
He wrote 4 novels/book of short stories and they’re all completely different. And in Ulysses the style changes throughout. 
Maybe perfect for an eclectic reader.
Ha, touche! Maybe, but it hasn't worked for me yet.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on July 18, 2023, 02:46:27 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 18, 2023, 01:57:49 PM
Quote from: OCD on July 18, 2023, 01:54:09 PM
I imagine Leverkusen would be a bit pissed off too since he told them that he wanted to play in the Premier League.

I'm pretty sure I read that they don't actually want to sell him, which is a worry simply because if the player demands a move, it would be understandable if they just held on for as big a bid as possible, wherever it comes from. 

That's either a negotiating ploy or rubbish from the source. They've bought his replacement and basically said they were pleased with our opener but would need more. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 18, 2023, 02:46:39 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 18, 2023, 02:41:01 PM
Elon who?

Elon United 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Small Rodent on July 18, 2023, 02:48:51 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 18, 2023, 02:46:39 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 18, 2023, 02:41:01 PM
Elon who?

Elon United

Ha ha!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 18, 2023, 02:57:10 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 18, 2023, 02:41:01 PM
Quote from: AV84 on July 18, 2023, 02:28:21 PM
Quote from: Brend'Watkins on July 18, 2023, 02:13:17 PM
Quote from: AV84 on July 18, 2023, 01:44:24 PM
The reports I was referring to probably aren't from reliable sources, just in case that needed clarification. Just a lot of differing stories doing the rounds today. 

We can all access twitter I want you to know so it's a good idea to only post reliable sources so we don't get our hopes up or have them dashed.

I can't actually access twitter because I don't have an account and Elon made it so you can't see stuff without one. So you're wrong on that point. 

Also about 90% of this thread is pure nonsense, and it keeps everyone going, so if you're only looking for 100% verified news, I'd say check the official site once a day and save yourself the disappointment. 

Elon who?

'Space Karen'
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on July 18, 2023, 03:08:27 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rigadon on July 18, 2023, 01:21:36 PM
I’d imagine players agents will be using the Saudi Pro league as a new way to bump up contract offers. 

There is also the cynic in me thinking that if Diaby goes to Saudia Arabia, we are being stopped from strengthening by the same people who own one of our top end of the table rivals in Newcastle United...

Is it a coincidence that they want Diaby in particular?

Or are they throwing loads of random shit at the wall & hoping some of it sticks?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: DB on July 18, 2023, 03:19:06 PM
			

			

				Yeah, if they are genuinely interested in him then this could be pivotal signing. It does show that the Saudi's can get younger players which could open the door for others. So far their sig ings have been older players coming to the end of their playing days. He will.come to us....
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 18, 2023, 03:19:39 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pablo_picasso on July 18, 2023, 03:08:27 PM
There is also the cynic in me thinking that if Diaby goes to Saudia Arabia, we are being stopped from strengthening by the same people who own one of our top end of the table rivals in Newcastle United...

Is it a coincidence that they want Diaby in particular?

I expect so, given it was quite widely reported that Newcastle themselves wanted Diaby.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 18, 2023, 03:23:41 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on July 18, 2023, 03:19:39 PM
I expect so, given it was quite widely reported that Newcastle themselves wanted Diaby.

If they buy him and loan him back to Newcastle people will actually spontaneously combust. I kind of want to see it happen just to witness the levels of outrage. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on July 18, 2023, 03:30:32 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 18, 2023, 02:27:33 PM
Quote from: Brend'Watkins on July 18, 2023, 02:13:17 PM
We can all access twitter 

Strictly speaking, we can't.

One of Musk's bright ideas was that you can't view it read-only, you need to be logged in. 

Anyway, just pouncing on a chance to be pedantic, as is the way of this place!

I haven't been following this, but I think this may have changed as I can now see them again, I just can't see replies without an account.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 18, 2023, 03:31:24 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 18, 2023, 03:23:41 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 18, 2023, 03:19:39 PM
I expect so, given it was quite widely reported that Newcastle themselves wanted Diaby.

If they buy him and loan him back to Newcastle people will actually spontaneously combust. I kind of want to see it happen just to witness the levels of outrage. 

Yup - if that happens I'm quite happy to row back on my earlier posts about how terrible and cheaty the whole thing is (or isn't)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 18, 2023, 03:32:30 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 18, 2023, 03:30:32 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 18, 2023, 02:27:33 PM
Quote from: Brend'Watkins on July 18, 2023, 02:13:17 PM
We can all access twitter 

Strictly speaking, we can't.

One of Musk's bright ideas was that you can't view it read-only, you need to be logged in. 

Anyway, just pouncing on a chance to be pedantic, as is the way of this place!

I haven't been following this, but I think this may have changed as I can now see them again, I just can't see replies without an account.

Clicking on a link seems to work, but trying to see anything else, replies, the profile etc. doesn't seem to work still. No great loss.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 18, 2023, 03:32:44 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 18, 2023, 03:30:32 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 18, 2023, 02:27:33 PM
Quote from: Brend'Watkins on July 18, 2023, 02:13:17 PM
We can all access twitter 

Strictly speaking, we can't.

One of Musk's bright ideas was that you can't view it read-only, you need to be logged in. 

Anyway, just pouncing on a chance to be pedantic, as is the way of this place!

I haven't been following this, but I think this may have changed as I can now see them again, I just can't see replies without an account.

Yeah, that's what happens if I'm not logged in.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Vegas on July 18, 2023, 03:50:37 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on July 18, 2023, 03:19:39 PM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on July 18, 2023, 03:08:27 PM
There is also the cynic in me thinking that if Diaby goes to Saudia Arabia, we are being stopped from strengthening by the same people who own one of our top end of the table rivals in Newcastle United...

Is it a coincidence that they want Diaby in particular?

I expect so, given it was quite widely reported that Newcastle themselves wanted Diaby.

I really don’t think Villa would be the team Newcastle would be specifically focused on disrupting, even if there was some sort of labyrinthine plot underway.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: lovejoy on July 18, 2023, 03:53:59 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on July 18, 2023, 02:22:54 PM
I can't wait for Diaby to be announced.... then we can say 'we ave a Diaby do!'

You already called it didn't you?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 18, 2023, 03:54:10 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Vegas on July 18, 2023, 03:50:37 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 18, 2023, 03:19:39 PM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on July 18, 2023, 03:08:27 PM
There is also the cynic in me thinking that if Diaby goes to Saudia Arabia, we are being stopped from strengthening by the same people who own one of our top end of the table rivals in Newcastle United...

Is it a coincidence that they want Diaby in particular?

I expect so, given it was quite widely reported that Newcastle themselves wanted Diaby.

I really don’t think Villa would be the team Newcastle would be specifically focused on disrupting, even if there was some sort of labyrinthine plot underway.

Also true.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: placeforparks on July 18, 2023, 04:01:15 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: DB on July 18, 2023, 03:19:06 PM
Yeah, if they are genuinely interested in him then this could be pivotal signing. It does show that the Saudi's can get younger players which could open the door for others. So far their sig ings have been older players coming to the end of their playing days. He will.come to us....

milinkovic-savic and ruben neves are both in their prime.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on July 18, 2023, 04:05:03 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 18, 2023, 01:53:28 PM
Telegraph reporting that Nakamba to Luton will be a done deal within the next few days. As noted he wasn't in any of the preseason pics/vids and we apparently had no plans to reintegrate him with the squad.

A good move for Marv and wish him well if it goes through.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 18, 2023, 04:06:24 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on July 18, 2023, 03:54:10 PM
Quote from: Vegas on July 18, 2023, 03:50:37 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 18, 2023, 03:19:39 PM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on July 18, 2023, 03:08:27 PM
There is also the cynic in me thinking that if Diaby goes to Saudia Arabia, we are being stopped from strengthening by the same people who own one of our top end of the table rivals in Newcastle United...

Is it a coincidence that they want Diaby in particular?

I expect so, given it was quite widely reported that Newcastle themselves wanted Diaby.

I really don’t think Villa would be the team Newcastle would be specifically focused on disrupting, even if there was some sort of labyrinthine plot underway.

Also true.

Are Al Nassr one of the PIF clubs?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Hookeysmith on July 18, 2023, 04:16:53 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: tomd2103 on July 18, 2023, 04:05:03 PM
Quote from: AV84 on July 18, 2023, 01:53:28 PM
Telegraph reporting that Nakamba to Luton will be a done deal within the next few days. As noted he wasn't in any of the preseason pics/vids and we apparently had no plans to reintegrate him with the squad.

A good move for Marv and wish him well if it goes through.

He was in the training video when all the other returned the other day - no sign of Hause / Davis though
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 18, 2023, 04:26:15 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Hookeysmith on July 18, 2023, 04:16:53 PM
 
He was in the training video when all the other returned the other day - no sign of Hause / Davis though

My mistake, I was so busy looking for Coutinho I must have missed him.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on July 18, 2023, 04:58:30 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 18, 2023, 02:41:01 PM
Quote from: AV84 on July 18, 2023, 02:28:21 PM
Quote from: Brend'Watkins on July 18, 2023, 02:13:17 PM
Quote from: AV84 on July 18, 2023, 01:44:24 PM
The reports I was referring to probably aren't from reliable sources, just in case that needed clarification. Just a lot of differing stories doing the rounds today. 

We can all access twitter I want you to know so it's a good idea to only post reliable sources so we don't get our hopes up or have them dashed.

I can't actually access twitter because I don't have an account and Elon made it so you can't see stuff without one. So you're wrong on that point. 

Also about 90% of this thread is pure nonsense, and it keeps everyone going, so if you're only looking for 100% verified news, I'd say check the official site once a day and save yourself the disappointment. 

Elon who?

Elon Gates; Bill's procrastinating brother.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on July 18, 2023, 04:59:52 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: lovejoy on July 18, 2023, 03:53:59 PM
Quote from: Drummond on July 18, 2023, 02:22:54 PM
I can't wait for Diaby to be announced.... then we can say 'we ave a Diaby do!'

You already called it didn't you?

Oh hello lovey! Yes, it's happening.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on July 18, 2023, 05:12:49 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on July 18, 2023, 04:59:52 PM
Quote from: lovejoy on July 18, 2023, 03:53:59 PM
Quote from: Drummond on July 18, 2023, 02:22:54 PM
I can't wait for Diaby to be announced.... then we can say 'we ave a Diaby do!'

You already called it didn't you?

Oh hello lovey! Yes, it's happening.

Do you know this? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 18, 2023, 05:14:11 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: coreyfeldman on July 18, 2023, 05:12:49 PM
Quote from: Drummond on July 18, 2023, 04:59:52 PM
Quote from: lovejoy on July 18, 2023, 03:53:59 PM
Quote from: Drummond on July 18, 2023, 02:22:54 PM
I can't wait for Diaby to be announced.... then we can say 'we ave a Diaby do!'

You already called it didn't you?

Oh hello lovey! Yes, it's happening.

Do you know this? 

Everybody knows it. It's happening this evening. Are we off to the US tomorrow?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on July 18, 2023, 05:16:39 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 18, 2023, 04:06:24 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 18, 2023, 03:54:10 PM
Quote from: Vegas on July 18, 2023, 03:50:37 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 18, 2023, 03:19:39 PM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on July 18, 2023, 03:08:27 PM
There is also the cynic in me thinking that if Diaby goes to Saudia Arabia, we are being stopped from strengthening by the same people who own one of our top end of the table rivals in Newcastle United...

Is it a coincidence that they want Diaby in particular?

I expect so, given it was quite widely reported that Newcastle themselves wanted Diaby.

I really don’t think Villa would be the team Newcastle would be specifically focused on disrupting, even if there was some sort of labyrinthine plot underway.

Also true.

Are Al Nassr one of the PIF clubs?

Yes, as well as three others.

It was a Joyce book, Finnegans Wake I think, that holds my record for quickest abandonment, I didn't make much headway through the first chapter. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Luffbralion on July 18, 2023, 05:20:30 PM
			

			

				Isn't stream of consciousness (a la Joyce and Woolf) a bit like 4-4-2 ?   Everybody's heard of it but nobody bothers with it any more.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 18, 2023, 05:24:21 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Luffbralion on July 18, 2023, 05:20:30 PM
Isn't stream of consciousness (a la Joyce and Woolf) a bit like 4-4-2 ?   Everybody's heard of it but nobody bothers with it any more.

Unai Emery might disagree with that.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on July 18, 2023, 05:24:36 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on July 18, 2023, 05:14:11 PM
Quote from: coreyfeldman on July 18, 2023, 05:12:49 PM
Quote from: Drummond on July 18, 2023, 04:59:52 PM
Quote from: lovejoy on July 18, 2023, 03:53:59 PM
Quote from: Drummond on July 18, 2023, 02:22:54 PM
I can't wait for Diaby to be announced.... then we can say 'we ave a Diaby do!'

You already called it didn't you?

Oh hello lovey! Yes, it's happening.

Do you know this? 

Everybody knows it. It's happening this evening. Are we off to the US tomorrow?

Do they? Is it? What's going on
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on July 18, 2023, 05:26:45 PM
			

			

				He’s no Andy McNab, thats for sure. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on July 18, 2023, 05:31:02 PM
			

			

				Although Bravo Two Zero does improve with every read. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 18, 2023, 05:32:16 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: coreyfeldman on July 18, 2023, 05:24:36 PM
Do they? Is it? What's going on

I'm just trying to bring some understanding here today.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 18, 2023, 06:07:08 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PeterWithe on July 18, 2023, 05:16:39 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 18, 2023, 04:06:24 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 18, 2023, 03:54:10 PM
Quote from: Vegas on July 18, 2023, 03:50:37 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 18, 2023, 03:19:39 PM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on July 18, 2023, 03:08:27 PM
There is also the cynic in me thinking that if Diaby goes to Saudia Arabia, we are being stopped from strengthening by the same people who own one of our top end of the table rivals in Newcastle United...

Is it a coincidence that they want Diaby in particular?

I expect so, given it was quite widely reported that Newcastle themselves wanted Diaby.

I really don’t think Villa would be the team Newcastle would be specifically focused on disrupting, even if there was some sort of labyrinthine plot underway.

Also true.

Are Al Nassr one of the PIF clubs?

Yes, as well as three others.



So, it is those four conspiring with Chelsea and Newcastle we need to look out for.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on July 18, 2023, 06:25:10 PM
			

			

				Yes, I think it was discussed in more length either earlier in this thread or the 'other clubs transfers' one, PIF transparently own NUFC but seem to also be the major investor in the fund that own the majority of CFC as well. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on July 18, 2023, 06:38:58 PM
			

			

				I think the Chelsea links are all a bit conspiracy nut territory. The simpler explanation is that Chelsea had a lot of overpaid has-beens on their books and those sort of players are the ones most likely to take a last big payday. It just happens to have coincided with PIF taking over a bunch of domestic clubs and offering last big paydays out to anyone willing to listen.

The Saudi 4 and Newcastle is far more shady, nothing has happened yet but any hint of a player signing for one of them and then being loaned to Newcastle will create a stink. In fact it'll be so obvious that I doubt it'll happen this summer, January will be interesting though when players like Neves start to get 'homesick' for Europe.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 18, 2023, 06:44:32 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on July 18, 2023, 06:38:58 PM
I think the Chelsea links are all a bit conspiracy nut territory. The simpler explanation is that Chelsea had a lot of overpaid has-beens on their books and those sort of players are the ones most likely to take a last big payday. It just happens to have coincided with PIF taking over a bunch of domestic clubs and offering last big paydays out to anyone willing to listen.



Not so sure. They’ve helped Chelsea a fair bit haven’t they?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Jon Crofts on July 18, 2023, 06:47:15 PM
			

			

				Lot of noise on Twitter from Arab sports sites that Diaby has agreed terms with the oil goblins. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 18, 2023, 06:49:26 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 18, 2023, 06:44:32 PM
Quote from: paul_e on July 18, 2023, 06:38:58 PM
I think the Chelsea links are all a bit conspiracy nut territory. The simpler explanation is that Chelsea had a lot of overpaid has-beens on their books and those sort of players are the ones most likely to take a last big payday. It just happens to have coincided with PIF taking over a bunch of domestic clubs and offering last big paydays out to anyone willing to listen.



Not so sure. They’ve helped Chelsea a fair bit haven’t they?

Yes, but as he says that's because of the players that Chelsea have filled their squad with. If we decided that we didn't want Coutinho anymore and they wanted to take him off us, that's because he's the sort of player they want. Not because of any sinister links between Edens or Sawiris and the Saudi Royal Family. 

Chelsea just have lots of that sort of player. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on July 18, 2023, 06:59:30 PM
			

			

				But Chelsea seem to have had far more luck in shifting unwanted players than almost every other club I can think of, helpfully avoiding the FFP brick wall they were heading toward, and most seem to have gone to PIF owned clubs, who apparently share owners with them. Its got a whiff about it. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 18, 2023, 07:05:42 PM
			

			

				They're not having much luck with Fofana. https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/66236741
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 18, 2023, 07:06:25 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Jon Crofts on July 18, 2023, 06:47:15 PM
Lot of noise on Twitter from Arab sports sites that Diaby has agreed terms with the oil goblins. 

Not just Arab sites, Rudy Galetti (88.5k followers) on Twitter has said the following:

Moussa #Diaby accepted the offer of #AlNassr and gave the green light to start talks with #BayerLeverkusen.

💰 The 🇸🇦 club is now preparing an official bid which will be sent to the 🇩🇪 club in the next few hours. 🐓⚽ #Transfers
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 18, 2023, 07:12:15 PM
			

			

				Fuck him if he chooses the oil money. He's shit anyway. Greedy twat.


Disclaimer: If it's all bollocks and he signs for us then I reserve the right to say he's great and a good egg. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dave.woodhall on July 18, 2023, 07:28:38 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on July 18, 2023, 07:05:42 PM
They're not having much luck with Fofana. https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/66236741

Is anyone else wondering why the name 'Fofana' sounds familiar? 

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on July 18, 2023, 07:33:12 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 18, 2023, 07:28:38 PM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on July 18, 2023, 07:05:42 PM
They're not having much luck with Fofana. https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/66236741

Is anyone else wondering why the name 'Fofana' sounds familiar? 


I was wondering the other day what happened to the highly rated Fofana we were meant to sign during GH's time with us
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: DB on July 18, 2023, 07:35:14 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: placeforparks on July 18, 2023, 04:01:15 PM
Quote from: DB on July 18, 2023, 03:19:06 PM
Yeah, if they are genuinely interested in him then this could be pivotal signing. It does show that the Saudi's can get younger players which could open the door for others. So far their sig ings have been older players coming to the end of their playing days. He will.come to us....

milinkovic-savic and ruben neves are both in their prime.

Not heard of the 1st chap and 2nd one aged for the Dogheads and not sure they were bidding against another Prem or European club(?)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 18, 2023, 07:36:36 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 18, 2023, 07:33:12 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 18, 2023, 07:28:38 PM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on July 18, 2023, 07:05:42 PM
They're not having much luck with Fofana. https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/66236741

Is anyone else wondering why the name 'Fofana' sounds familiar? 


I was wondering the other day what happened to the highly rated Fofana we were meant to sign during GH's time with us

Struggled with injuries and retired in his mid 20s. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 18, 2023, 07:40:44 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on July 18, 2023, 07:05:42 PM
They're not having much luck with Fofana. https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/66236741

Mind you, we aren't having much luck with our Wesley either.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 18, 2023, 07:41:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: DB on July 18, 2023, 07:35:14 PM
Quote from: placeforparks on July 18, 2023, 04:01:15 PM
Quote from: DB on July 18, 2023, 03:19:06 PM
Yeah, if they are genuinely interested in him then this could be pivotal signing. It does show that the Saudi's can get younger players which could open the door for others. So far their sig ings have been older players coming to the end of their playing days. He will.come to us....

milinkovic-savic and ruben neves are both in their prime.

Not heard of the 1st chap and 2nd one aged for the Dogheads and not sure they were bidding against another Prem or European club(?)

The "first chap" was being regularly touted for £80m moves to Man Utd and Juventus a couple of years ago, and only didn't move because Lazio wouldn't accept £80m, saying it would need to be £100m.

He's a really good player and in the prime of his career.

Edit - and on your original point, moreso than Diaby would be, on both counts. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dave.woodhall on July 18, 2023, 07:54:23 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 18, 2023, 07:36:36 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 18, 2023, 07:33:12 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 18, 2023, 07:28:38 PM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on July 18, 2023, 07:05:42 PM
They're not having much luck with Fofana. https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/66236741

Is anyone else wondering why the name 'Fofana' sounds familiar? 


I was wondering the other day what happened to the highly rated Fofana we were meant to sign during GH's time with us

Struggled with injuries and retired in his mid 20s. 

I believe he failed a medical here, or we were warned off, or similar. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on July 18, 2023, 07:56:38 PM
			

			

				I think there is a huge element of playing football manager in cheat mode when you own 4 clubs in Saudi, fund a further 8 to buy players to try and make the league appear competitive, and own a team in the champions league in the UK. The easiest route through FFP is to sell 3-4 players to and one of your 4 (plus 8) Saudi clubs, balance the books and carry on. Of course it will happen. Saint Maximan will be the first of many. Fifa I would guess need to sort out the loophole. 

The Chelsea stuff is more tenuous for certain, but there's a clear link to the investment fund. Difference is, Chelsea has about 65 players, so the Saudi clubs may well go for a fair few of them anyway. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on July 18, 2023, 08:00:06 PM
			

			

				If Diaby does choose to go to them I'm not sure I'm that upset. He looks very good but he's very small and the one niggling concern I have is that he'd be another that was easily bullied in the premier league.

Doku as the alternative is also pretty small but much stockier and able to out-muscle a defender as much as burning them for pace or beating them with a trick.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on July 18, 2023, 08:02:27 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on July 18, 2023, 08:00:06 PM
If Diaby does choose to go to them I'm not sure I'm that upset. He looks very good but he's very small and the one niggling concern I have is that he'd be another that was easily bullied in the premier league.

Doku as the alternative is also pretty small but much stockier and able to out-muscle a defender as much as burning them for pace or beating them with a trick.

Apparently, Doku has Jack Wilshere's hamstrings. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on July 18, 2023, 08:09:40 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: villadelph on July 18, 2023, 08:02:27 PM
Quote from: paul_e on July 18, 2023, 08:00:06 PM
If Diaby does choose to go to them I'm not sure I'm that upset. He looks very good but he's very small and the one niggling concern I have is that he'd be another that was easily bullied in the premier league.

Doku as the alternative is also pretty small but much stockier and able to out-muscle a defender as much as burning them for pace or beating them with a trick.

Apparently, Doku has Jack Wilshere's hamstrings. 

Ok, so that one would be a big risk as well then. I guess we'll see but I would like some more physicality up there (both height and strength ideally), in defence and DM we're ok (assuming Donk or Chambers are cover for Bouba) right now but in the attacking areas we're very small/weak, Watkins and JJ can hold their own but that's about it, Duran making the step up would help though because he's a tank.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: mrfuse on July 18, 2023, 08:11:08 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on March 30, 2023, 05:27:59 PM
Tammy Abraham is not good enough. 

Its a no from me as well. I don't think hes the sort of player Emery is looking for either, he seems to want a wide player that can play as a striker.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 18, 2023, 08:14:51 PM
			

			

				The more we speculate about exotic YouTube footballers, who fall foul for one reason or another, the more I’m convinced the answer is in Wales. 

I think Johnson could be like Bowen for us. Not so remarkable so he’d get poached but solid, week-in week-out. 

Next season, in Europe again, and we can replace Buendia with the sort of player we currently can’t quite catch.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 18, 2023, 08:24:29 PM
			

			

				If Diaby really has signalled he's prepared to think about playing in Saudi, we should back out and move on.

We're off to the US tomorrow, we've made two good signings, but we don't have time to get sucked into a "maybe but maybe not" saga with a player.

He either wants to come here, or he doesn't. If we can't doubly establish that, then there's no point talking to the club about bids.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: KevinGage on July 18, 2023, 08:28:08 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 18, 2023, 08:24:29 PM
If Diaby really has signalled he's prepared to think about playing in Saudi, we should back out and move on.

Aye. 

Any player who makes a move like that in his prime doesn't rate himself. 


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: mike on July 18, 2023, 08:35:16 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: KevinGage on July 18, 2023, 08:28:08 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 18, 2023, 08:24:29 PM
If Diaby really has signalled he's prepared to think about playing in Saudi, we should back out and move on.

Aye. 

Any player who makes a move like that in his prime doesn't rate himself. 



Is he a Muslim? If so then he may consider playing in a Muslim country as a good thing and may prefer their culture to ours. Having worked with Muslim communities, I think a devout Muslim would find the hedonistic lifestyle of Premier League players hard to reconcile with his faith. Much as I’m not a big fan of the Saudi interpretation of Islam I know many Muslims would find the alcohol and sexual excesses of European football to be as anathema as we consider their moral code regarding women and same sex relationships.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 18, 2023, 08:47:23 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: mike on July 18, 2023, 08:35:16 PM

Is he a Muslim? If so then he may consider playing in a Muslim country as a good thing and may prefer their culture to ours.

It's not really about that though. It's an experiment really, the Saudi league. One that could all fall apart in a year or two. A player looking to pad his pension isn't taking any risks, but a player of Diaby's age could be stalling, or killing, his career. 

I know the point of this Saudi thing, or the MLS, is to change things, but as it stands the best footballers in the world play in Europe, and all the money in the world isn't going to change that any time soon. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: jwarry on July 18, 2023, 08:51:43 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 18, 2023, 08:47:23 PM
Quote from: mike on July 18, 2023, 08:35:16 PM

Is he a Muslim? If so then he may consider playing in a Muslim country as a good thing and may prefer their culture to ours.

It's not really about that though. It's an experiment really, the Saudi league. One that could all fall apart in a year or two. A player looking to pad his pension isn't taking any risks, but a player of Diaby's age could be stalling, or killing, his career. 

I know the point of this Saudi thing, or the MLS, is to change things, but as it stands the best footballers in the world play in Europe, and all the money in the world isn't going to change that any time soon. 

And of course Birmingham isn’t exactly Muslim unfriendly is it
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 18, 2023, 08:56:05 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: jwarry on July 18, 2023, 08:51:43 PM
Quote from: AV84 on July 18, 2023, 08:47:23 PM
Quote from: mike on July 18, 2023, 08:35:16 PM

Is he a Muslim? If so then he may consider playing in a Muslim country as a good thing and may prefer their culture to ours.

It's not really about that though. It's an experiment really, the Saudi league. One that could all fall apart in a year or two. A player looking to pad his pension isn't taking any risks, but a player of Diaby's age could be stalling, or killing, his career. 

I know the point of this Saudi thing, or the MLS, is to change things, but as it stands the best footballers in the world play in Europe, and all the money in the world isn't going to change that any time soon. 

And of course Birmingham isn’t exactly Muslim unfriendly is it

Plus he's lived in Europe all his life. I mean, it's not impossible that a player with a very deep belief in his faith would look at the opportunity to live in that culture as a positive thing. But at the end of the day he's a young footballer, and he's lived outside of that environment his entire life. So I'd still be thinking if he has any footballing ambitions then he should be staying in Europe. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 18, 2023, 09:00:23 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 18, 2023, 08:47:23 PM
Quote from: mike on July 18, 2023, 08:35:16 PM

Is he a Muslim? If so then he may consider playing in a Muslim country as a good thing and may prefer their culture to ours.

It's not really about that though. It's an experiment really, the Saudi league. One that could all fall apart in a year or two. A player looking to pad his pension isn't taking any risks, but a player of Diaby's age could be stalling, or killing, his career. 

I know the point of this Saudi thing, or the MLS, is to change things, but as it stands the best footballers in the world play in Europe, and all the money in the world isn't going to change that any time soon. 

Or he could go there and be paid millions of pounds more and then move back to Europe to a competitive team and still be young enough to win things in a few years. I’ve no doubt he’s very wealthy already but he might not get the chance to earn the kind of sums on offer again.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RamboandBruno on July 18, 2023, 09:00:37 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: mike on July 18, 2023, 08:35:16 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on July 18, 2023, 08:28:08 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 18, 2023, 08:24:29 PM
If Diaby really has signalled he's prepared to think about playing in Saudi, we should back out and move on.

Aye. 

Any player who makes a move like that in his prime doesn't rate himself. 



Is he a Muslim? If so then he may consider playing in a Muslim country as a good thing and may prefer their culture to ours. Having worked with Muslim communities, I think a devout Muslim would find the hedonistic lifestyle of Premier League players hard to reconcile with his faith. Much as I’m not a big fan of the Saudi interpretation of Islam I know many Muslims would find the alcohol and sexual excesses of European football to be as anathema as we consider their moral code regarding women and same sex relationships.

Without trying to knock your point, if he chooses the Saudi league over us, its because they’ve offered him loads more money. I’d say that has far more to do with it that religious affiliation. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on July 18, 2023, 09:04:36 PM
			

			

				Presumably he has no aspirations of getting into the French team then. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on July 18, 2023, 09:06:43 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on July 18, 2023, 08:09:40 PM
Quote from: villadelph on July 18, 2023, 08:02:27 PM
Quote from: paul_e on July 18, 2023, 08:00:06 PM
If Diaby does choose to go to them I'm not sure I'm that upset. He looks very good but he's very small and the one niggling concern I have is that he'd be another that was easily bullied in the premier league.

Doku as the alternative is also pretty small but much stockier and able to out-muscle a defender as much as burning them for pace or beating them with a trick.

Apparently, Doku has Jack Wilshere's hamstrings. 

Ok, so that one would be a big risk as well then. I guess we'll see but I would like some more physicality up there (both height and strength ideally), in defence and DM we're ok (assuming Donk or Chambers are cover for Bouba) right now but in the attacking areas we're very small/weak, Watkins and JJ can hold their own but that's about it, Duran making the step up would help though because he's a tank.

I would say that Dendoncker is cover, but it sounds like he's available if someone wants to take him. 

Iroegbunam is probably the next alternative before Chambers, who might also be available. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: mike on July 18, 2023, 09:10:11 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: RamboandBruno on July 18, 2023, 09:00:37 PM
Quote from: mike on July 18, 2023, 08:35:16 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on July 18, 2023, 08:28:08 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 18, 2023, 08:24:29 PM
If Diaby really has signalled he's prepared to think about playing in Saudi, we should back out and move on.

Aye. 

Any player who makes a move like that in his prime doesn't rate himself. 



Is he a Muslim? If so then he may consider playing in a Muslim country as a good thing and may prefer their culture to ours. Having worked with Muslim communities, I think a devout Muslim would find the hedonistic lifestyle of Premier League players hard to reconcile with his faith. Much as I’m not a big fan of the Saudi interpretation of Islam I know many Muslims would find the alcohol and sexual excesses of European football to be as anathema as we consider their moral code regarding women and same sex relationships.

Without trying to knock your point, if he chooses the Saudi league over us, its because they’ve offered him loads more money. I’d say that has far more to do with it that religious affiliation. 

It might well be, but I think it’s easy to underestimate how much a devout Muslim would prefer to live in a Muslim country. But I have no idea whether he’s a Muslim let alone devout.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on July 18, 2023, 09:10:35 PM
			

			

				It’s very simple in my view 

If Diaby comes to B6 it’s a massive statement of intent and the blokes obviously gona be a world beater 

If he goes to Saudi good riddance, he was never good enough for us and we’re glad we dodged that bullet 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: mike on July 18, 2023, 09:11:14 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: jwarry on July 18, 2023, 08:51:43 PM
Quote from: AV84 on July 18, 2023, 08:47:23 PM
Quote from: mike on July 18, 2023, 08:35:16 PM

Is he a Muslim? If so then he may consider playing in a Muslim country as a good thing and may prefer their culture to ours.

It's not really about that though. It's an experiment really, the Saudi league. One that could all fall apart in a year or two. A player looking to pad his pension isn't taking any risks, but a player of Diaby's age could be stalling, or killing, his career. 

I know the point of this Saudi thing, or the MLS, is to change things, but as it stands the best footballers in the world play in Europe, and all the money in the world isn't going to change that any time soon. 

And of course Birmingham isn’t exactly Muslim unfriendly is it

Yes it is according to Muslims I have worked with. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on July 18, 2023, 09:11:26 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: john e on July 18, 2023, 09:10:35 PM
It’s very simple in my view 

If Diaby comes to B6 it’s a massive statement of intent and the blokes obviously gona be a world beater 

If he goes to Saudi good riddance, he was never good enough for us and we’re glad we dodged that bullet
100%
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 18, 2023, 09:13:13 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: RamboandBruno on July 18, 2023, 09:00:37 PM
Quote from: mike on July 18, 2023, 08:35:16 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on July 18, 2023, 08:28:08 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 18, 2023, 08:24:29 PM
If Diaby really has signalled he's prepared to think about playing in Saudi, we should back out and move on.

Aye. 

Any player who makes a move like that in his prime doesn't rate himself. 



Is he a Muslim? If so then he may consider playing in a Muslim country as a good thing and may prefer their culture to ours. Having worked with Muslim communities, I think a devout Muslim would find the hedonistic lifestyle of Premier League players hard to reconcile with his faith. Much as I’m not a big fan of the Saudi interpretation of Islam I know many Muslims would find the alcohol and sexual excesses of European football to be as anathema as we consider their moral code regarding women and same sex relationships.

Without trying to knock your point, if he chooses the Saudi league over us, its because they’ve offered him loads more money. I’d say that has far more to do with it that religious affiliation.

Obviously. He's not playing for room and board in the Egyptian third division when he has every opportunity to do so. But (a) choosing the job that will pay you the most money is a perfectly sound reason for someone to choose an employer, and (b) that doesn't mean mike's point isn't perfectly sound. And there are millions of people who would probably feel more, not less comfortable working in an Islamic theocracy. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on July 18, 2023, 09:14:24 PM
			

			

				I honestly don't believe anything about Diaby going to Saudi. The outlets reporting it are fifth-rate junk and Romano, who is rarely ever wrong, was pretty blunt. "They (Leverkusen) want way more than that (35M), but they're also aware of the desire of the player to make his move to the Premier League and join Unai Emery." Xabi Alonso has to know someone in our front office. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on July 18, 2023, 09:14:34 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: john e on July 18, 2023, 09:10:35 PM
It’s very simple in my view 

If Diaby comes to B6 it’s a massive statement of intent and the blokes obviously gona be a world beater 

If he goes to Saudi good riddance, he was never good enough for us and we’re glad we dodged that bullet 

It's not about his ability, it's about his mentality. If at 24, his head's been turned by crazy money in a fledgling league then we've dodged a bullet because his priorities are in the wrong place. He would be starting down the path of being a wasted talent. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 18, 2023, 09:15:23 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: mike on July 18, 2023, 09:10:11 PM
But I have no idea whether he’s a Muslim let alone devout.

Raised as a Sunni Muslim, and a devout believer if the internet (and his Instagram) is to be believed. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on July 18, 2023, 09:16:55 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on July 18, 2023, 09:06:43 PM
Quote from: paul_e on July 18, 2023, 08:09:40 PM
Quote from: villadelph on July 18, 2023, 08:02:27 PM
Quote from: paul_e on July 18, 2023, 08:00:06 PM
If Diaby does choose to go to them I'm not sure I'm that upset. He looks very good but he's very small and the one niggling concern I have is that he'd be another that was easily bullied in the premier league.

Doku as the alternative is also pretty small but much stockier and able to out-muscle a defender as much as burning them for pace or beating them with a trick.

Apparently, Doku has Jack Wilshere's hamstrings. 

Ok, so that one would be a big risk as well then. I guess we'll see but I would like some more physicality up there (both height and strength ideally), in defence and DM we're ok (assuming Donk or Chambers are cover for Bouba) right now but in the attacking areas we're very small/weak, Watkins and JJ can hold their own but that's about it, Duran making the step up would help though because he's a tank.

I would say that Dendoncker is cover, but it sounds like he's available if someone wants to take him. 

Iroegbunam is probably the next alternative before Chambers, who might also be available. 

I just picked a couple of big units who've played there for us and are currently in the squad. I wouldn't be surprised if both do go but if so I'd want someone to replace them with similar height, strength and aerial ability because otherwise we're very reliant on Kamara against teams with a couple of big units in there.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RamboandBruno on July 18, 2023, 09:19:43 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on July 18, 2023, 09:13:13 PM
Quote from: RamboandBruno on July 18, 2023, 09:00:37 PM
Quote from: mike on July 18, 2023, 08:35:16 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on July 18, 2023, 08:28:08 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 18, 2023, 08:24:29 PM
If Diaby really has signalled he's prepared to think about playing in Saudi, we should back out and move on.

Aye. 

Any player who makes a move like that in his prime doesn't rate himself. 



Is he a Muslim? If so then he may consider playing in a Muslim country as a good thing and may prefer their culture to ours. Having worked with Muslim communities, I think a devout Muslim would find the hedonistic lifestyle of Premier League players hard to reconcile with his faith. Much as I’m not a big fan of the Saudi interpretation of Islam I know many Muslims would find the alcohol and sexual excesses of European football to be as anathema as we consider their moral code regarding women and same sex relationships.

Without trying to knock your point, if he chooses the Saudi league over us, its because they’ve offered him loads more money. I’d say that has far more to do with it that religious affiliation.

Obviously. He's not playing for room and board in the Egyptian third division when he has every opportunity to do so. But (a) choosing the job that will pay you the most money is a perfectly sound reason for someone to choose an employer, and (b) that doesn't mean mike's point isn't perfectly sound. And there are millions of people who would probably feel more, not less comfortable working in an Islamic theocracy.

Mike makes an interesting point that may or may not have some validity to it, but i would say again that the defining factor would be money. 
I didn’t actually say there was anything wrong with that either in my post. Although as it happens unlike a lot of walks of life we are already talking about incredibly wealthy people who are already set for life, so at Diaby’s age that does beg the question about ambition to be an elite in his sport if he does go to a still vastly inferior league. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on July 18, 2023, 09:24:25 PM
			

			

				It's not like we would be paying him a pittance. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on July 18, 2023, 09:27:20 PM
			

			

				If he picks playing in Saudi over playing for our great cliub at one of the most exciting times in our history, he can quite frankly, get to fuck
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 18, 2023, 09:29:34 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: RamboandBruno on July 18, 2023, 09:19:43 PM
Mike makes an interesting point that may or may not have some validity to it, but i would say again that the defining factor would be money. 
I didn’t actually say there was anything wrong with that either in my post. Although as it happens unlike a lot of walks of life we are already talking about incredibly wealthy people who are already set for life, so at Diaby’s age that does beg the question about ambition to be an elite in his sport if he does go to a still vastly inferior league.

This is exactly the point I was trying to make. There are multiple understandable reasons someone might chose to go to Saudi over the Prem at this point in his life/career, but the main reason to chose the Prem (or another European team if anyone was interested) is ambition. So if it's a case that its just us and this Saudi team in the running, and the player is genuinely considering both options, if ambition was his only motivation then he should be choosing us. And if ambition isn't his overriding motivation, then is there any point in chasing after him. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: j66acd on July 18, 2023, 09:34:24 PM
			

			

				Diaby has a Smith-Rowe and Ward-Prowse feel about it, loads of speculation and linked with big names (in hindsight, I’m glad we didn’t sign either). But is this one being hyped up more to raise our expectations?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: mike on July 18, 2023, 09:36:22 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: RamboandBruno on July 18, 2023, 09:19:43 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 18, 2023, 09:13:13 PM
Quote from: RamboandBruno on July 18, 2023, 09:00:37 PM
Quote from: mike on July 18, 2023, 08:35:16 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on July 18, 2023, 08:28:08 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 18, 2023, 08:24:29 PM
If Diaby really has signalled he's prepared to think about playing in Saudi, we should back out and move on.

Aye. 

Any player who makes a move like that in his prime doesn't rate himself. 



Is he a Muslim? If so then he may consider playing in a Muslim country as a good thing and may prefer their culture to ours. Having worked with Muslim communities, I think a devout Muslim would find the hedonistic lifestyle of Premier League players hard to reconcile with his faith. Much as I’m not a big fan of the Saudi interpretation of Islam I know many Muslims would find the alcohol and sexual excesses of European football to be as anathema as we consider their moral code regarding women and same sex relationships.

Without trying to knock your point, if he chooses the Saudi league over us, its because they’ve offered him loads more money. I’d say that has far more to do with it that religious affiliation.

Obviously. He's not playing for room and board in the Egyptian third division when he has every opportunity to do so. But (a) choosing the job that will pay you the most money is a perfectly sound reason for someone to choose an employer, and (b) that doesn't mean mike's point isn't perfectly sound. And there are millions of people who would probably feel more, not less comfortable working in an Islamic theocracy.

Mike makes an interesting point that may or may not have some validity to it, but i would say again that the defining factor would be money. 
I didn’t actually say there was anything wrong with that either in my post. Although as it happens unlike a lot of walks of life we are already talking about incredibly wealthy people who are already set for life, so at Diaby’s age that does beg the question about ambition to be an elite in his sport if he does go to a still vastly inferior league. 

If it’s just money, then I think it’s wrong to throw away the chance to achieve at the highest level given that you will still earn millions. But to reiterate, I have no idea whether religion is a factor. I just think it’s a dynamic that may be hard for Christian/atheist British heritage to understand. What would be very interesting to see would be what he, or any other hugely talented Muslim player, chose if offered an identical deal by a European and Saudi club. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Astnor on July 18, 2023, 09:36:51 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: villadelph on July 18, 2023, 09:14:24 PM
I honestly don't believe anything about Diaby going to Saudi. The outlets reporting it are fifth-rate junk and Romano, who is rarely ever wrong, was pretty blunt. "They (Leverkusen) want way more than that (35M), but they're also aware of the desire of the player to make his move to the Premier League and join Unai Emery." Xabi Alonso has to know someone in our front office.
Yes, the Saudi factor in the case is probably found up by not rated sources as both Leverkusen and/or us use time as strategic means in discussing the price.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 18, 2023, 09:38:10 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: RamboandBruno on July 18, 2023, 09:19:43 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 18, 2023, 09:13:13 PM
Quote from: RamboandBruno on July 18, 2023, 09:00:37 PM
Quote from: mike on July 18, 2023, 08:35:16 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on July 18, 2023, 08:28:08 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 18, 2023, 08:24:29 PM
If Diaby really has signalled he's prepared to think about playing in Saudi, we should back out and move on.

Aye. 

Any player who makes a move like that in his prime doesn't rate himself. 



Is he a Muslim? If so then he may consider playing in a Muslim country as a good thing and may prefer their culture to ours. Having worked with Muslim communities, I think a devout Muslim would find the hedonistic lifestyle of Premier League players hard to reconcile with his faith. Much as I’m not a big fan of the Saudi interpretation of Islam I know many Muslims would find the alcohol and sexual excesses of European football to be as anathema as we consider their moral code regarding women and same sex relationships.

Without trying to knock your point, if he chooses the Saudi league over us, its because they’ve offered him loads more money. I’d say that has far more to do with it that religious affiliation.

Obviously. He's not playing for room and board in the Egyptian third division when he has every opportunity to do so. But (a) choosing the job that will pay you the most money is a perfectly sound reason for someone to choose an employer, and (b) that doesn't mean mike's point isn't perfectly sound. And there are millions of people who would probably feel more, not less comfortable working in an Islamic theocracy.

Mike makes an interesting point that may or may not have some validity to it, but i would say again that the defining factor would be money. 
I didn’t actually say there was anything wrong with that either in my post. Although as it happens unlike a lot of walks of life we are already talking about incredibly wealthy people who are already set for life, so at Diaby’s age that does beg the question about ambition to be an elite in his sport if he does go to a still vastly inferior league.

I think you overestimate how much "ambition to be an elite" is a motivation over "how much money can I earn for me and my family" for nearly every footballer on the planet.

These are people who have (on the whole) sacrificed their entire childhood and adolescence as well as nearly two decades of their families' evenings, weekends and livelihoods, and for whom success or complete ruination could turn on a dodgy hamstring or crisis of confidence at the wrong time.

Yes, we'd be paying him a lot of money. But like most people, in most professions, the majority are going to choose lower status and more money over higher status and less money. They're just people doing a job. 

And while society would be better if it weren't, for people doing the job success is normally judged on how much money you're earning. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 18, 2023, 09:41:25 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: mike on July 18, 2023, 09:36:22 PM
What would be very interesting to see would be what he, or any other hugely talented Muslim player, chose if offered an identical deal by a European and Saudi club. 

I was raised as a Catholic and if I were offered identical deals by Roma and a Saudi club, I'd head to Italy.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on July 18, 2023, 09:44:50 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: j66acd on July 18, 2023, 09:34:24 PM
Diaby has a Smith-Rowe and Ward-Prowse feel about it, loads of speculation and linked with big names (in hindsight, I’m glad we didn’t sign either). But is this one being hyped up more to raise our expectations?

Suspect so...this guy could be a worldbeater but I'd be a lot more confident in Barnes or Johnson doing the business for us. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: mike on July 18, 2023, 09:46:26 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on July 18, 2023, 09:38:10 PM
Quote from: RamboandBruno on July 18, 2023, 09:19:43 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 18, 2023, 09:13:13 PM
Quote from: RamboandBruno on July 18, 2023, 09:00:37 PM
Quote from: mike on July 18, 2023, 08:35:16 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on July 18, 2023, 08:28:08 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 18, 2023, 08:24:29 PM
If Diaby really has signalled he's prepared to think about playing in Saudi, we should back out and move on.

Aye. 

Any player who makes a move like that in his prime doesn't rate himself. 



Is he a Muslim? If so then he may consider playing in a Muslim country as a good thing and may prefer their culture to ours. Having worked with Muslim communities, I think a devout Muslim would find the hedonistic lifestyle of Premier League players hard to reconcile with his faith. Much as I’m not a big fan of the Saudi interpretation of Islam I know many Muslims would find the alcohol and sexual excesses of European football to be as anathema as we consider their moral code regarding women and same sex relationships.

Without trying to knock your point, if he chooses the Saudi league over us, its because they’ve offered him loads more money. I’d say that has far more to do with it that religious affiliation.

Obviously. He's not playing for room and board in the Egyptian third division when he has every opportunity to do so. But (a) choosing the job that will pay you the most money is a perfectly sound reason for someone to choose an employer, and (b) that doesn't mean mike's point isn't perfectly sound. And there are millions of people who would probably feel more, not less comfortable working in an Islamic theocracy.

Mike makes an interesting point that may or may not have some validity to it, but i would say again that the defining factor would be money. 
I didn’t actually say there was anything wrong with that either in my post. Although as it happens unlike a lot of walks of life we are already talking about incredibly wealthy people who are already set for life, so at Diaby’s age that does beg the question about ambition to be an elite in his sport if he does go to a still vastly inferior league.

I think you overestimate how much "ambition to be an elite" is a motivation over "how much money can I earn for me and my family" is for nearly every footballer on the planet.

These are people who have (on the whole) sacrificed their entire childhood and adolescence as well as nearly two decades of their families' evenings, weekends and lives, and for whom success or complete ruination could turn on a dodgy hamstring or crisis of confidence at the wrong time.

Yes, we'd be paying him a lot of money. But like most people, in most professions, the majority are going to choose lower status and more money over higher status and less money. They're just people doing a job. And while it's imperfect, for people doing the job it's normally judged on how much money you're earning. 

Which raises another interesting point. There are probably no posters on here whose lives wouldn’t be vastly changed by doubling our income, so we would be fairly easily persuaded to allow a little moral ambiguity into our choice of job. However, someone already earning multiples of a million per year given the opportunity to double their salary can and should be more morally robust.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 18, 2023, 09:49:23 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: j66acd on July 18, 2023, 09:34:24 PM
Diaby has a Smith-Rowe and Ward-Prowse feel about it, loads of speculation and linked with big names (in hindsight, I’m glad we didn’t sign either). But is this one being hyped up more to raise our expectations?

It is interesting that despite several other Premiership teams being linked, we're apparently the only ones who've actually made a move. That said, I think it was Newcastle and MANCHESTER UNITED FOOTBALL CLUB who were also linked. And Newcastle have finincial issues, and MANCHESTER UNITED FOOTBALL CLUB have priorities in other positions, so maybe we really are the only ones interested this window.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 18, 2023, 09:51:44 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: mike on July 18, 2023, 09:46:26 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 18, 2023, 09:38:10 PM
Quote from: RamboandBruno on July 18, 2023, 09:19:43 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 18, 2023, 09:13:13 PM
Quote from: RamboandBruno on July 18, 2023, 09:00:37 PM
Quote from: mike on July 18, 2023, 08:35:16 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on July 18, 2023, 08:28:08 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 18, 2023, 08:24:29 PM
If Diaby really has signalled he's prepared to think about playing in Saudi, we should back out and move on.

Aye. 

Any player who makes a move like that in his prime doesn't rate himself. 



Is he a Muslim? If so then he may consider playing in a Muslim country as a good thing and may prefer their culture to ours. Having worked with Muslim communities, I think a devout Muslim would find the hedonistic lifestyle of Premier League players hard to reconcile with his faith. Much as I’m not a big fan of the Saudi interpretation of Islam I know many Muslims would find the alcohol and sexual excesses of European football to be as anathema as we consider their moral code regarding women and same sex relationships.

Without trying to knock your point, if he chooses the Saudi league over us, its because they’ve offered him loads more money. I’d say that has far more to do with it that religious affiliation.

Obviously. He's not playing for room and board in the Egyptian third division when he has every opportunity to do so. But (a) choosing the job that will pay you the most money is a perfectly sound reason for someone to choose an employer, and (b) that doesn't mean mike's point isn't perfectly sound. And there are millions of people who would probably feel more, not less comfortable working in an Islamic theocracy.

Mike makes an interesting point that may or may not have some validity to it, but i would say again that the defining factor would be money. 
I didn’t actually say there was anything wrong with that either in my post. Although as it happens unlike a lot of walks of life we are already talking about incredibly wealthy people who are already set for life, so at Diaby’s age that does beg the question about ambition to be an elite in his sport if he does go to a still vastly inferior league.

I think you overestimate how much "ambition to be an elite" is a motivation over "how much money can I earn for me and my family" is for nearly every footballer on the planet.

These are people who have (on the whole) sacrificed their entire childhood and adolescence as well as nearly two decades of their families' evenings, weekends and lives, and for whom success or complete ruination could turn on a dodgy hamstring or crisis of confidence at the wrong time.

Yes, we'd be paying him a lot of money. But like most people, in most professions, the majority are going to choose lower status and more money over higher status and less money. They're just people doing a job. And while it's imperfect, for people doing the job it's normally judged on how much money you're earning. 

Which raises another interesting point. There are probably no posters on here whose lives wouldn’t be vastly changed by doubling our income, so we would be fairly easily persuaded to allow a little moral ambiguity into our choice of job. However, someone already earning multiples of a million per year given the opportunity to double their salary can and should be more morally robust.

Sure. But while we're all Villa supporters, to most players we are still just another shirt to wear. Signing for a promising Premier League also-ran (at time of writing) isn't a sign of moral fortitude. 

I imagine the choice of £200k per week at Real Madrid or £300k per week at Al-Nassr might cause some sleepless nights. 

But £150k per week at Villa or £300k at Al-Nassr is probably less of a difficult choice. Because he's not a bloke on a Villa forum.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RamboandBruno on July 18, 2023, 09:51:47 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on July 18, 2023, 09:38:10 PM
Quote from: RamboandBruno on July 18, 2023, 09:19:43 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 18, 2023, 09:13:13 PM
Quote from: RamboandBruno on July 18, 2023, 09:00:37 PM
Quote from: mike on July 18, 2023, 08:35:16 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on July 18, 2023, 08:28:08 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 18, 2023, 08:24:29 PM
If Diaby really has signalled he's prepared to think about playing in Saudi, we should back out and move on.

Aye. 

Any player who makes a move like that in his prime doesn't rate himself. 



Is he a Muslim? If so then he may consider playing in a Muslim country as a good thing and may prefer their culture to ours. Having worked with Muslim communities, I think a devout Muslim would find the hedonistic lifestyle of Premier League players hard to reconcile with his faith. Much as I’m not a big fan of the Saudi interpretation of Islam I know many Muslims would find the alcohol and sexual excesses of European football to be as anathema as we consider their moral code regarding women and same sex relationships.

Without trying to knock your point, if he chooses the Saudi league over us, its because they’ve offered him loads more money. I’d say that has far more to do with it that religious affiliation.

Obviously. He's not playing for room and board in the Egyptian third division when he has every opportunity to do so. But (a) choosing the job that will pay you the most money is a perfectly sound reason for someone to choose an employer, and (b) that doesn't mean mike's point isn't perfectly sound. And there are millions of people who would probably feel more, not less comfortable working in an Islamic theocracy.

Mike makes an interesting point that may or may not have some validity to it, but i would say again that the defining factor would be money. 
I didn’t actually say there was anything wrong with that either in my post. Although as it happens unlike a lot of walks of life we are already talking about incredibly wealthy people who are already set for life, so at Diaby’s age that does beg the question about ambition to be an elite in his sport if he does go to a still vastly inferior league.

I think you overestimate how much "ambition to be an elite" is a motivation over "how much money can I earn for me and my family" is for nearly every footballer on the planet.

These are people who have (on the whole) sacrificed their entire childhood and adolescence as well as nearly two decades of their families' evenings, weekends and lives, and for whom success or complete ruination could turn on a dodgy hamstring or crisis of confidence at the wrong time.

Yes, we'd be paying him a lot of money. But like most people, in most professions, the majority are going to choose lower status and more money over higher status and less money. They're just people doing a job. And while it's imperfect, for people doing the job it's normally judged on how much money you're earning.

But Dave i don’t think the choice between vast wealth and ambition compared to vaster wealth within an inferior league has really been an issue for elite players in their prime until the last couple of weeks. Most top players in the top leagues are financially set for life now after a few years of playing, even if an injury were to end their career early, this Saudi choice and its vast sums of money seemingly tempting young top players is a completely new phenomenon. We’re not talking players say moving to Watford over Sheffield Wednesday even though Sheffield are a more prestigious club, as Watford might pay more. We’re talking top international players being tempted away from top competitive leagues to play in a for now at least much poorer standard. This doesn’t happen all the time in top level football. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Pete3206 on July 18, 2023, 09:53:39 PM
			

			

				Any news on a decent goalkeeper? I watched the pravda training video and was a tad concerned to see Sweden's 6 yard box hugger still very much involved
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bad English on July 18, 2023, 09:54:22 PM
			

			

				1. The Premiership is rugby, is it not?
2. The pointed but measured use of ALL CAPS show that you have learnt something,.so there is hope yet.

Edit: was replying to totally new, no really, poster AV84.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dave.woodhall on July 18, 2023, 09:54:26 PM
			

			

				The thing about earning a fortune, though, is that much wants more. If you have a million pound a year lifestyle you'll want to keep it for the rest of your life and if you only have ten years or so to earn enough to do that you'll want to earn as much as you can in that time.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 18, 2023, 09:56:50 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bad English on July 18, 2023, 09:54:22 PM
Edit: was replying to totally new, no really, poster AV84.

What does that mean? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: mike on July 18, 2023, 09:58:44 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on July 18, 2023, 09:51:44 PM
Quote from: mike on July 18, 2023, 09:46:26 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 18, 2023, 09:38:10 PM
Quote from: RamboandBruno on July 18, 2023, 09:19:43 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 18, 2023, 09:13:13 PM
Quote from: RamboandBruno on July 18, 2023, 09:00:37 PM
Quote from: mike on July 18, 2023, 08:35:16 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on July 18, 2023, 08:28:08 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 18, 2023, 08:24:29 PM
If Diaby really has signalled he's prepared to think about playing in Saudi, we should back out and move on.

Aye. 

Any player who makes a move like that in his prime doesn't rate himself. 



Is he a Muslim? If so then he may consider playing in a Muslim country as a good thing and may prefer their culture to ours. Having worked with Muslim communities, I think a devout Muslim would find the hedonistic lifestyle of Premier League players hard to reconcile with his faith. Much as I’m not a big fan of the Saudi interpretation of Islam I know many Muslims would find the alcohol and sexual excesses of European football to be as anathema as we consider their moral code regarding women and same sex relationships.

Without trying to knock your point, if he chooses the Saudi league over us, its because they’ve offered him loads more money. I’d say that has far more to do with it that religious affiliation.

Obviously. He's not playing for room and board in the Egyptian third division when he has every opportunity to do so. But (a) choosing the job that will pay you the most money is a perfectly sound reason for someone to choose an employer, and (b) that doesn't mean mike's point isn't perfectly sound. And there are millions of people who would probably feel more, not less comfortable working in an Islamic theocracy.

Mike makes an interesting point that may or may not have some validity to it, but i would say again that the defining factor would be money. 
I didn’t actually say there was anything wrong with that either in my post. Although as it happens unlike a lot of walks of life we are already talking about incredibly wealthy people who are already set for life, so at Diaby’s age that does beg the question about ambition to be an elite in his sport if he does go to a still vastly inferior league.

I think you overestimate how much "ambition to be an elite" is a motivation over "how much money can I earn for me and my family" is for nearly every footballer on the planet.

These are people who have (on the whole) sacrificed their entire childhood and adolescence as well as nearly two decades of their families' evenings, weekends and lives, and for whom success or complete ruination could turn on a dodgy hamstring or crisis of confidence at the wrong time.

Yes, we'd be paying him a lot of money. But like most people, in most professions, the majority are going to choose lower status and more money over higher status and less money. They're just people doing a job. And while it's imperfect, for people doing the job it's normally judged on how much money you're earning. 

Which raises another interesting point. There are probably no posters on here whose lives wouldn’t be vastly changed by doubling our income, so we would be fairly easily persuaded to allow a little moral ambiguity into our choice of job. However, someone already earning multiples of a million per year given the opportunity to double their salary can and should be more morally robust.

Sure. But while we're all Villa supporters, to most players we are still just another shirt to wear. Signing for a promising Premier League also-ran (at time of writing) isn't a sign of moral fortitude. 

I imagine the choice of £200k per week at Real Madrid or £300k per week at Al-Nassr might cause some sleepless nights. 

But £150k per week at Villa or £300k at Al-Nassr is probably less of a difficult choice. Because he's not a bloke on a Villa forum.

I don’t disagree, but my point is that once he signs the Saudi deal the hopes of top footballing achievements with Aston Villa or whichever club he then moves onto in Europe are probably ruined.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on July 18, 2023, 10:00:48 PM
			

			

				So, another day and bugger all to report, other than Nakamba looks gone. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: mike on July 18, 2023, 10:04:41 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 18, 2023, 09:54:26 PM
The thing about earning a fortune, though, is that much wants more. If you have a million pound a year lifestyle you'll want to keep it for the rest of your life and if you only have ten years or so to earn enough to do that you'll want to earn as much as you can in that time.  

I suppose that having grown up on a council estate in Birmingham and not having had three meals a day every day,  I feel blessed to live a life that I view as unboundedly affluent and struggle to understand why anyone cares about earning an amount of money I literally cannot comprehend.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 18, 2023, 10:05:09 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on July 18, 2023, 10:00:48 PM
So, another day and bugger all to report, other than Nakamba looks gone.

We learned John McGinn's favourite film is The Shawshank Redemption, and Coutinho is partial to Coach Carter. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 18, 2023, 10:09:43 PM
			

			

				I don’t agree that once Diaby signs for a Saudi club his European football career and chance of being successful would be finished. He could spend 3 seasons over there and still be coming into his prime.

This is in reference to the big quote but didn’t want to quote as it was taking up masses of space.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dave.woodhall on July 18, 2023, 10:13:20 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: mike on July 18, 2023, 10:04:41 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 18, 2023, 09:54:26 PM
The thing about earning a fortune, though, is that much wants more. If you have a million pound a year lifestyle you'll want to keep it for the rest of your life and if you only have ten years or so to earn enough to do that you'll want to earn as much as you can in that time.  

I suppose that having grown up on a council estate in Birmingham and not having had three meals a day every day,  I feel blessed to live a life that I view as unboundedly affluent and struggle to understand why anyone cares about earning an amount of money I literally cannot comprehend.

As I said, much wants more. I suppose that given how massively motivated a footballer has to be to get to the top, a similar motivation might kick in with regards to money and shiny things. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Small Rodent on July 18, 2023, 10:16:29 PM
			

			

				It really is a weird human thing that once you get loads and you are in a comfortable unassailable place, many start hoarding and wanting more than they ever need as though they are the people at most risk of losing everything.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 18, 2023, 10:18:16 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 18, 2023, 10:09:43 PM
I don’t agree that once Diaby signs for a Saudi club his European football career and chance of being successful would be finished. He could spend 3 seasons over there and still be coming into his prime.

This is in reference to the big quote but didn’t want to quote as it was taking up masses of space.

I suppose the worry would be what happens when the player wants to come back to Europe. What kind of selling price would we be talking about? Is someone who could be looking at a top Prem side now still be wanted by that level after 3 years of playing in a league of questionable quality? Are they setting themselves back in their standing in European football? Basically pressing pause on their careers?  They're all "what ifs" and admittedly negative ones, but it's something I would be considering if I was in their position. 

But again that obviously depends on what their motivation is. Maybe they kill their career but they've made more money in 3 years than they would have in 10 playing for us so does it really matter?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: mike on July 18, 2023, 10:28:16 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 18, 2023, 10:13:20 PM
Quote from: mike on July 18, 2023, 10:04:41 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 18, 2023, 09:54:26 PM
The thing about earning a fortune, though, is that much wants more. If you have a million pound a year lifestyle you'll want to keep it for the rest of your life and if you only have ten years or so to earn enough to do that you'll want to earn as much as you can in that time.  

I suppose that having grown up on a council estate in Birmingham and not having had three meals a day every day,  I feel blessed to live a life that I view as unboundedly affluent and struggle to understand why anyone cares about earning an amount of money I literally cannot comprehend.

As I said, much wants more. I suppose that given how massively motivated a footballer has to be to get to the top, a similar motivation might kick in with regards to money and shiny things. 

I was guided by the wisdom of my father who grew up in abject poverty and viewed the bare basics of life as all that you should aim for materially and once you achieve that your happiness will depend upon your ability to appreciate the important things in life (clearly he would have expressed it very differently). However, other people from poor backgrounds react to poverty by an obsessive need for enrichment. I don’t get how people earning millions, footballers or bankers or international drug dealers, don’t just recognise the ephemeral nature of existence and pursue unbounded hedonism, a comfortable family existence, travelling the world or whatever their thing is rather than waste their precious hours on earth accumulating more money than they can reasonably spend.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on July 18, 2023, 10:44:37 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Pete3206 on July 18, 2023, 09:53:39 PM
Any news on a decent goalkeeper? I watched the pravda training video and was a tad concerned to see Sweden's 6 yard box hugger still very much involved
Concerningly I think hes here to stay.  

In fact, I heard the new north stand is going to be named after him.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Small Rodent on July 18, 2023, 10:47:05 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: mike on July 18, 2023, 10:28:16 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 18, 2023, 10:13:20 PM
Quote from: mike on July 18, 2023, 10:04:41 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 18, 2023, 09:54:26 PM
The thing about earning a fortune, though, is that much wants more. If you have a million pound a year lifestyle you'll want to keep it for the rest of your life and if you only have ten years or so to earn enough to do that you'll want to earn as much as you can in that time.  

I suppose that having grown up on a council estate in Birmingham and not having had three meals a day every day,  I feel blessed to live a life that I view as unboundedly affluent and struggle to understand why anyone cares about earning an amount of money I literally cannot comprehend.

As I said, much wants more. I suppose that given how massively motivated a footballer has to be to get to the top, a similar motivation might kick in with regards to money and shiny things. 

I was guided by the wisdom of my father who grew up in abject poverty and viewed the bare basics of life as all that you should aim for materially and once you achieve that your happiness will depend upon your ability to appreciate the important things in life (clearly he would have expressed it very differently). However, other people from poor backgrounds react to poverty by an obsessive need for enrichment. I don’t get how people earning millions, footballers or bankers or international drug dealers, don’t just recognise the ephemeral nature of existence and pursue unbounded hedonism, a comfortable family existence, travelling the world or whatever their thing is rather than waste their precious hours on earth accumulating more money than they can reasonably spend.

You are both saying the same thing. I agree.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on July 18, 2023, 11:01:02 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 18, 2023, 10:18:16 PM
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 18, 2023, 10:09:43 PM
I don’t agree that once Diaby signs for a Saudi club his European football career and chance of being successful would be finished. He could spend 3 seasons over there and still be coming into his prime.

This is in reference to the big quote but didn’t want to quote as it was taking up masses of space.

I suppose the worry would be what happens when the player wants to come back to Europe. What kind of selling price would we be talking about? Is someone who could be looking at a top Prem side now still be wanted by that level after 3 years of playing in a league of questionable quality? Are they setting themselves back in their standing in European football? Basically pressing pause on their careers?  They're all "what ifs" and admittedly negative ones, but it's something I would be considering if I was in their position. 

But again that obviously depends on what their motivation is. Maybe they kill their career but they've made more money in 3 years than they would have in 10 playing for us so does it really matter?

Depends... If there is an accommodating champions league side to loan 2-3 players to showcase those talents with minimum risk in the prem to help said player move back into European football, the risk for some may be minimal.
Not that I think Diaby and Neves could end up on loan at Newcastle. Howe was asked this week about loaning fellow PIF players and admitted it wasn't out of the question. Rules need sorting, quickly. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john2710 on July 18, 2023, 11:09:06 PM
			

			

				Diaby's going nowhere until any club that wants him agrees a fee with Leverkusen. That's the hold up & they don't need to sell.

He's seemingly indicated that he's happy to come to us & no doubt we've established the basis of a contract with him. I think we'll get him by the weekend.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on July 18, 2023, 11:10:37 PM
			

			

				There’s a couple of things with players moving to the Saudi leagues.

First, they’re not going to be on anything approaching the wages they’ve become accustomed to. Not necessarily a problem if they’re world class, but say if they’re not …. I mean, they’re putting even mid table Premier League clubs out of the picture, so unless they’re exceptional they’re going to struggle to reintegrate.

Second, the standard of competition and, I’d guess, coaching is likely to be sub-French league. Maybe they’ll improve there, but I think it’s more likely that a player will stagnate. So someone like Diaby, currently very promising, probably isn’t going to be seen as anything more than that whilst he’s there, and potentially by the time he returns it’ll make more sense for a national team to focus on an upcoming players rather than one who’s spent the past 3 years doing nothing.

 I don’t expect Diaby is seriously considering the Saudi offer outside of bumping his wages up maybe. If he is considering it, he’s an idiot.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 18, 2023, 11:16:38 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: john2710 on July 18, 2023, 11:09:06 PM
Diaby's going nowhere until any club that wants him agrees a fee with Leverkusen. That's the hold up & they don't need to sell.

He's seemingly indicated that he's happy to come to us & no doubt we've established the basis of a contract with him. I think we'll get him by the weekend.

I read yesterday that Leverkusen want it wrapped up before they head off somewhere for preseason camp this weekend. But yeah, I don't think they want/need to sell him, so they can hold out for as long as they like, in theory. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SoccerHQ on July 18, 2023, 11:31:34 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 18, 2023, 11:16:38 PM
Quote from: john2710 on July 18, 2023, 11:09:06 PM
Diaby's going nowhere until any club that wants him agrees a fee with Leverkusen. That's the hold up & they don't need to sell.

He's seemingly indicated that he's happy to come to us & no doubt we've established the basis of a contract with him. I think we'll get him by the weekend.

I read yesterday that Leverkusen want it wrapped up before they head off somewhere for preseason camp this weekend. But yeah, I don't think they want/need to sell him, so they can hold out for as long as they like, in theory. 

It's not like we just sold Grealish straight away, remember all that messing about at that country club in South London when he was training away from the group for a day or two.

Arsenal also took about two weeks to sign Rice even after agreeing a fee with West Ham so ultimately the game changing signings can take time.

He's a very good player and one we really do need if we want to get into the top 6 soon.

I'm pretty relaxed by this. He's been in previous France squads so imagine Digne and Kamara are telling him how good it is here. He also didn't make the France world cup squad so I'd imagine he wants to stay in europe and Deschamps will be keeping track of our games next season so makes more sense to me than going to Saudi Land and disappearing from the radar a bit.

I think he'll sign but not sure it will be in time for the States tour.

If we gave Digne 100k + then I assume Diaby as potential 50m signing will be in 150-200k bracket so that will be a massive increase on what he's earning at Leverkusen so I think that will be enough.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 18, 2023, 11:36:50 PM
			

			

				I feel like we'll get the deal done too, and although I know we're all guilty of playing into it, if there's even a hint of a Saudi club being interested in a player, the media will blow it up because its currently very click baity material. 

All the reliable sources (basically Romano on twitter) have implied he wants to come to us. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 18, 2023, 11:43:58 PM
			

			

				The Saudi version of Islam isn't really similar to that which most Muslims practice. I doubt it's a factor.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Matt C on July 18, 2023, 11:50:59 PM
			

			

				Wouldn’t rule us out of Diaby yet, seems like we’ve made a second bid and his club are thinking about it based on the reputable sources. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: CT Villan on July 18, 2023, 11:55:51 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Small Rodent on July 18, 2023, 10:47:05 PM
Quote from: mike on July 18, 2023, 10:28:16 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 18, 2023, 10:13:20 PM
Quote from: mike on July 18, 2023, 10:04:41 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 18, 2023, 09:54:26 PM
The thing about earning a fortune, though, is that much wants more. If you have a million pound a year lifestyle you'll want to keep it for the rest of your life and if you only have ten years or so to earn enough to do that you'll want to earn as much as you can in that time.  

I suppose that having grown up on a council estate in Birmingham and not having had three meals a day every day,  I feel blessed to live a life that I view as unboundedly affluent and struggle to understand why anyone cares about earning an amount of money I literally cannot comprehend.

As I said, much wants more. I suppose that given how massively motivated a footballer has to be to get to the top, a similar motivation might kick in with regards to money and shiny things. 

I was guided by the wisdom of my father who grew up in abject poverty and viewed the bare basics of life as all that you should aim for materially and once you achieve that your happiness will depend upon your ability to appreciate the important things in life (clearly he would have expressed it very differently). However, other people from poor backgrounds react to poverty by an obsessive need for enrichment. I don’t get how people earning millions, footballers or bankers or international drug dealers, don’t just recognise the ephemeral nature of existence and pursue unbounded hedonism, a comfortable family existence, travelling the world or whatever their thing is rather than waste their precious hours on earth accumulating more money than they can reasonably spend.

You are both saying the same thing. I agree.
 
Well, I just bought 3 tickets for tomorrow's CT Powerball lottery. The jackpot is 1 billion USD (Yes, with a B). You never know! I'll be sure to tell you if I want more after I win :)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 19, 2023, 12:05:52 AM
			

			

				Seeing Harry Maguire being linked with Chelsea now Fofana is out long term. I'd laugh if that happened. Failing upwards if ever I saw it. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on July 19, 2023, 12:12:18 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 19, 2023, 12:05:52 AM
Seeing Harry Maguire being linked with Chelsea now Fofana is out long term. I'd laugh if that happened. Failing upwards if ever I saw it. 

Incredible agent. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 19, 2023, 12:16:24 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ozzjim on July 19, 2023, 12:12:18 AM
Quote from: AV84 on July 19, 2023, 12:05:52 AM
Seeing Harry Maguire being linked with Chelsea now Fofana is out long term. I'd laugh if that happened. Failing upwards if ever I saw it. 

Incredible agent.

Like all the links to us implied that he wasn't good enough to play for them anymore and we were about as good as he could hope for, and now he could be a starter for Chelsea.  

(Obviously it could be baseless speculation based purely on the fact they need a defender and he's probably the most high profile up for sale defender at the moment. But still funny anyway)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 19, 2023, 12:34:58 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bad English on July 18, 2023, 09:54:22 PM
1. The Premiership is rugby, is it not?

No. Keep it to yourself but the 'Premiership' is only used on here to piss off Dave. ;)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 19, 2023, 12:43:26 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: john2710 on July 18, 2023, 11:09:06 PM
Diaby's going nowhere until any club that wants him agrees a fee with Leverkusen. That's the hold up & they don't need to sell.

He's seemingly indicated that he's happy to come to us & no doubt we've established the basis of a contract with him. I think we'll get him by the weekend.

Agreed, John. Plus, if we're going to throw big money around I would rather it spent on a top centre forward. Who? Absolutely no idea but I'm sure they still exist. The Turkish fella at Porto doesn't need three chances to put the ball in the back of the net but age is not on his side. Pay me Monchi's salary and I'm sure I'd find a shortlist.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 19, 2023, 01:04:57 AM
			

			

				Rumour has it the fee is agreed now it's up to the fella to decide what he wants to do with his life.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on July 19, 2023, 01:15:39 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Beard82 on July 18, 2023, 10:44:37 PM
Quote from: Pete3206 on July 18, 2023, 09:53:39 PM
Any news on a decent goalkeeper? I watched the pravda training video and was a tad concerned to see Sweden's 6 yard box hugger still very much involved
Concerningly I think hes here to stay.  

In fact, I heard the new north stand is going to be named after him. 

With a huge mural of him getting beaten at his near post against Stevenage plastered on it.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 19, 2023, 05:23:58 AM
			

			

				Just landed in Perth and see nothings happened in the last 12 hours. I hope this isn’t going to be like every recent transfer window. Two decent signings we don’t need and lots of links to the one position we are desperate for but no deal done.

For what it’s worth I think we will sign two more, but it’s Villa and I am a worrier.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on July 19, 2023, 06:52:22 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 19, 2023, 05:23:58 AM
Just landed in Perth and see nothings happened in the last 12 hours. I hope this isn’t going to be like every recent transfer window. Two decent signings we don’t need and lots of links to the one position we are desperate for but no deal done.

For what it’s worth I think we will sign two more, but it’s Villa and I am a worrier.

I think we'll see 4 more in yet. 2 forwards, full back cover and another central midfielder.

As for the reserve keeper, God help us all, we're going to need it. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 19, 2023, 07:27:37 AM
			

			

				Saudis helping Saudis again with Saint Maximan (sp?) transfer?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RamboandBruno on July 19, 2023, 07:45:50 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 19, 2023, 05:23:58 AM
Just landed in Perth and see nothings happened in the last 12 hours. I hope this isn’t going to be like every recent transfer window. Two decent signings we don’t need and lots of links to the one position we are desperate for but no deal done.

For what it’s worth I think we will sign two more, but it’s Villa and I am a worrier.
Pau Torres clearly an Emery signing, so he obviously thought there was a need, enough for me as things stand. 
I think we’ll get a couple of forward thinking players in, in the next month. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Stu on July 19, 2023, 07:45:56 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 19, 2023, 05:23:58 AM
Just landed in Perth and see nothings happened in the last 12 hours. I hope this isn’t going to be like every recent transfer window. Two decent signings we don’t need and lots of links to the one position we are desperate for but no deal done.

For what it’s worth I think we will sign two more, but it’s Villa and I am a worrier.

Did you fly from UK and if so, did you do the Qantas non-stop from Heathrow? I’ve got that trip coming up at the end of the year and while I’m largely over my fear of flying, a 16.5 hours flight is giving me pause.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on July 19, 2023, 07:46:24 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 19, 2023, 07:27:37 AM
Saudis helping Saudis again with Saint Maximan (sp?) transfer?

Of course…journalists aren’t going to call it out if they know what’s good for them are they?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 19, 2023, 08:01:51 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Stu on July 19, 2023, 07:45:56 AM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 19, 2023, 05:23:58 AM
Just landed in Perth and see nothings happened in the last 12 hours. I hope this isn’t going to be like every recent transfer window. Two decent signings we don’t need and lots of links to the one position we are desperate for but no deal done.

For what it’s worth I think we will sign two more, but it’s Villa and I am a worrier.

Did you fly from UK and if so, did you do the Qantas non-stop from Heathrow? I’ve got that trip coming up at the end of the year and while I’m largely over my fear of flying, a 16.5 hours flight is giving me pause.

Yes I took the Heathrow to Perth Qantas flight, use it about three times a year and is very good. I only ever fly economy and is loads better than Emirates via Dubai or the other options.

My issue this time was the BA code share from Manchester, where they refused to check my bags through, making the connection very tight (almost missed it). I am heading to Queensland but take two days to adjust as makes life easier than getting straight on another longish flight. Have a few farms to visit tomorrow.

Qantas are as good an airline as you can get, and the airports work well here. You can go straight to a airport shop and get a local SIM card if you take a spare phone.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Stu on July 19, 2023, 08:19:59 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 19, 2023, 08:01:51 AM
Quote from: Stu on July 19, 2023, 07:45:56 AM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 19, 2023, 05:23:58 AM
Just landed in Perth and see nothings happened in the last 12 hours. I hope this isn’t going to be like every recent transfer window. Two decent signings we don’t need and lots of links to the one position we are desperate for but no deal done.

For what it’s worth I think we will sign two more, but it’s Villa and I am a worrier.

Did you fly from UK and if so, did you do the Qantas non-stop from Heathrow? I’ve got that trip coming up at the end of the year and while I’m largely over my fear of flying, a 16.5 hours flight is giving me pause.

Yes I took the Heathrow to Perth Qantas flight, use it about three times a year and is very good. I only ever fly economy and is loads better than Emirates via Dubai or the other options.

My issue this time was the BA code share from Manchester, where they refused to check my bags through, making the connection very tight (almost missed it). I am heading to Queensland but take two days to adjust as makes life easier than getting straight on another longish flight. Have a few farms to visit tomorrow.

Qantas are as good an airline as you can get, and the airports work well here. You can go straight to a airport shop and get a local SIM card if you take a spare phone.

That’s good to hear. Taking mumsie and visiting my brother and we’re in economy. Was wondering if it might be a bit uncomfortable in economy, I had to talk her down from buying business class, just didn’t seem worth it. Cheers for the tip!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: JJ-AV on July 19, 2023, 08:24:09 AM
			

			

				I think we've got plenty of time yet, the squad is strong. We need 2 forwards but I'd rather go to the wire and get the right players.

Also worth remembering that (if you believe the links), we've already missed out on Asensio, Williams and Ferran Torres. So Diaby may be 4th on the list. It's understandable they might not be willing to go to such a huge fee.

Diaby, Barnes, Johnson, Felix and Doku all still available.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: frank black on July 19, 2023, 08:25:25 AM
			

			

				This Diaby link, I get the impression that no journalist has a clue what’s happening. Everyday is a contradiction.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: JJ-AV on July 19, 2023, 08:27:36 AM
			

			

				I think it probably suits both Diaby and Leverkusen to use the Saudi link. More £ for both. If he goes there I wouldn't want him any way.

Surely he wouldn't? 24 year old France international probably 2 years from a Champions League move.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 19, 2023, 08:43:54 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: JJ-AV on July 19, 2023, 08:24:09 AM
Also worth remembering that (if you believe the links), we've already missed out on Asensio, Williams and Ferran Torres. So Diaby may be 4th on the list. It's understandable they might not be willing to go to such a huge fee.

Diaby, Barnes, Johnson, Felix and Doku all still available.

If you believe the reports Asensio, Williams and Chiesa all dismissed us immediately. There were no real discussions of any kind with them. They just weren't interested. Whereas several reputable places maintain that Diaby is very open to the idea of coming to us, which is am improvement over the others named. 

It seems like Felix is trying to engineer a move to Barcelona, issuing a "statement " through Romano yesterday basically begging them to sign him. Again it's debatable how much of anything is true, but he's in a bad situation at Athletico, and we're apparently the only team offering him a way out, but he's not willing to take it. 

It's funny because we've all been discussing the idea of ambition when it comes to the choice of us vs a Saudi team, but with Felix it feels like a negative because he won't choose us over holding out for Champions League. It's obviously not as clear cut as that, given he's already at that level, but it's still an interesting dilemma. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 19, 2023, 08:48:17 AM
			

			

				You wonder whether Felix would be more interested if it was a loan deal. 

Not ideal but we’d get a world class-ish player for a season and hopefully in that year we grow so we’re a more attractive option. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 19, 2023, 08:54:00 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 19, 2023, 08:48:17 AM
You wonder whether Felix would be more interested if it was a loan deal. 

Not ideal but we’d get a world class-ish player for a season and hopefully in that year we grow so we’re a more attractive option.

I'm pretty sure a loan deal is the only option as his selling price is massive and very few clubs could afford it, or want to pay it at the moment. If that's the case then a loan to a team playing any kind of European football should suit everyone. Worst case scenario he spends a season at a decent club, with a stable set up, and regular playing time, and puts himself in the shop window. Maybe this time next year Barca would actually pay the asking price, or someone else would. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Baldy on July 19, 2023, 08:57:21 AM
			

			

				Whether we like it or not, the Saudi situation is a game changer. Money, money and more money normally gets what it wants!! The Premier League will still keep its competitiveness but we may have to accept the quality will reduce in the coming years. In the real world, being financially secure for life (and your children's, children) by the age of 25 is probably more important than winning the Premier League or the FA Cup.

I like Alex Ferguson's approach. He encouraged his players to be involved in a serious relationship (preferably married) as early as possible. This was seen as a stabilising influence and also reduced the chances of a player wanting to leave. Going to Saudi on your own is one thing but bringing a young family is another.

Any ideas what Unai should do? His 'game' management skills are fantastic but like every other manager, he may need to think more about 'life' management skills!! 

To me, this is very important, as more and more top level 'rumoured' transfers, seem to be having a Saudi link. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on July 19, 2023, 09:00:22 AM
			

			

				Really not sure about this Diaby guy, seems like ridiculous money for a player whose stats seem no better than Bailey at Leverkeusen. Got a bad feeling about this one 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on July 19, 2023, 09:02:17 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: VillaTim on July 19, 2023, 09:00:22 AM
Really not sure about this Diaby guy, seems like ridiculous money for a player whose stats seem no better than Bailey at Leverkeusen. Got a bad feeling about this one

Express elevator to hell, going down.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 19, 2023, 09:23:20 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 19, 2023, 08:48:17 AM
You wonder whether Felix would be more interested if it was a loan deal. 

Not ideal but we’d get a world class-ish player for a season and hopefully in that year we grow so we’re a more attractive option. 

It would be extremely expensive but Monchi can at least try and negotiate a deal. Right now Benfica are trying to do exactly that.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 19, 2023, 09:23:36 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 19, 2023, 09:02:17 AM
Quote from: VillaTim on July 19, 2023, 09:00:22 AM
Really not sure about this Diaby guy, seems like ridiculous money for a player whose stats seem no better than Bailey at Leverkeusen. Got a bad feeling about this one

Express elevator to hell, going down.

in one of those US military bases where they have 12 floors underground.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Axl Rose on July 19, 2023, 09:27:57 AM
			

			

				Leverkusen fan at work said he's brilliant, but then again, he said the same thing about Bailey.

Said he's better than Bailey, however.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 19, 2023, 09:33:42 AM
			

			

				It's been reported that Nico González will not be included in the Barca squad this season. We've been recently linked with him so it will be interesting to see if we try and do a deal. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on July 19, 2023, 10:02:14 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 19, 2023, 08:43:54 AM
Quote from: JJ-AV on July 19, 2023, 08:24:09 AM
Also worth remembering that (if you believe the links), we've already missed out on Asensio, Williams and Ferran Torres. So Diaby may be 4th on the list. It's understandable they might not be willing to go to such a huge fee.

Diaby, Barnes, Johnson, Felix and Doku all still available.

If you believe the reports Asensio, Williams and Chiesa all dismissed us immediately. There were no real discussions of any kind with them. They just weren't interested. Whereas several reputable places maintain that Diaby is very open to the idea of coming to us, which is am improvement over the others named. 

It seems like Felix is trying to engineer a move to Barcelona, issuing a "statement " through Romano yesterday basically begging them to sign him. Again it's debatable how much of anything is true, but he's in a bad situation at Athletico, and we're apparently the only team offering him a way out, but he's not willing to take it. 

It's funny because we've all been discussing the idea of ambition when it comes to the choice of us vs a Saudi team, but with Felix it feels like a negative because he won't choose us over holding out for Champions League. It's obviously not as clear cut as that, given he's already at that level, but it's still an interesting dilemma.

That's not right with Asensio, most of the stories at the time were that he was very interested until PSG came in and then they were always favourites. Williams was also reported as having met Emery in person before deciding to stay with them.

I get your point on Felix but I think there's a big difference between choosing from 2 offers on the table (diaby) and rejecting the offer on the table in the hope of something better emerging. The latter is much riskier, especially when doing nothing is such a bad option. I wouldn’t be shocked if he is much more open to joining us in a few weeks.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: DB on July 19, 2023, 10:04:48 AM
			

			

				His agent will be making sure he gets as much money out this deal as possible as well. Hopefully the lad will use his head for his career / international aspirations.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dicedlam on July 19, 2023, 10:06:18 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 18, 2023, 11:43:58 PM
The Saudi version of Islam isn't really similar to that which most Muslims practice. I doubt it's a factor.

Moussa Diaby is a Sunni Muslim which 80-90% of Saudi citizens are.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: richardb on July 19, 2023, 10:09:48 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: dicedlam on July 19, 2023, 10:06:18 AM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 18, 2023, 11:43:58 PM
The Saudi version of Islam isn't really similar to that which most Muslims practice. I doubt it's a factor.

Moussa Diaby is a Sunni Muslim which 80-90% of Saudi citizens are.

He's also a top football player which 80-90%+ of prem league players are and but a mere fraction of that in Saudi 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 19, 2023, 10:14:51 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: dicedlam on July 19, 2023, 10:06:18 AM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 18, 2023, 11:43:58 PM
The Saudi version of Islam isn't really similar to that which most Muslims practice. I doubt it's a factor.

Moussa Diaby is a Sunni Muslim which 80-90% of Saudi citizens are.

I doubt he's a Wahhabist.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: passport1 on July 19, 2023, 10:18:38 AM
			

			

				A neighbour of mine did a stint in Saudi. I recall meeting him on one of his trips home and I was expecting him to be very upbeat about his time there. "It's awful and I can't wait to get home" was his opinion. Tax free dough is nice but it's not everything.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 19, 2023, 10:23:36 AM
			

			

				Seem to remember Hilary Mantel lived there for a while and later wrote about it making her feel suicidal.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Walmley_Villa on July 19, 2023, 10:31:51 AM
			

			

				The footballers will all live in Dubai and work in Saudi - my cousin does the same
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 19, 2023, 10:32:34 AM
			

			

				Interesting that Newcastle are saying they're hamstrung by FFP and, seemingly, that's why they need to sell Saint-Maximiniminmin in order to buy Harvey Barnes.

I don't massively rate S-M, and Barnes is potentially a really good player, but that sort of business whilst being on the cusp of a CL season isn't really inspiring for them.

When was the last time they sold a home-grown product for any decent money? That makes a huge difference (as we've seen).
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: richardb on July 19, 2023, 10:33:40 AM
			

			

				A 1hr 45min flight commute is a bit of a pisser though
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: TheMalandro on July 19, 2023, 10:33:46 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 19, 2023, 10:14:51 AM
Quote from: dicedlam on July 19, 2023, 10:06:18 AM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 18, 2023, 11:43:58 PM
The Saudi version of Islam isn't really similar to that which most Muslims practice. I doubt it's a factor.

Moussa Diaby is a Sunni Muslim which 80-90% of Saudi citizens are.

I doubt he's a Wahhabist.

That’s good because most of the stuff here is crap, made from horseradish.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Baldy on July 19, 2023, 10:39:42 AM
			

			

				About thirty years ago, my sisters ex was in Saudi Arabia on business. Had a bit of free time and followed a large crowd thinking there must be a concert or a sporting event happening. Eventually reached a large gathering near a stage. Two blokes were brought on stage and forced to kneel down. A man with a large sword stood between them and with a 'figure eight' swoosh of the sword duly beheaded the pair of them. Sister's ex got sick.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 19, 2023, 10:40:39 AM
			

			

				Let's get Benteke back.

https://twitter.com/sistoney67/status/1681468822266494977?s=20


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on July 19, 2023, 10:55:07 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 19, 2023, 10:14:51 AM
Quote from: dicedlam on July 19, 2023, 10:06:18 AM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 18, 2023, 11:43:58 PM
The Saudi version of Islam isn't really similar to that which most Muslims practice. I doubt it's a factor.

Moussa Diaby is a Sunni Muslim which 80-90% of Saudi citizens are.

I doubt he's a Wahhabist.
But he would be able to start his interviews with "I'm shooting (against) Wahabists"

(https://www.outkick.com/wp-content/uploads/Screen-Shot-2020-06-08-at-11.21.55-AM-1024x574.png)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on July 19, 2023, 10:57:21 AM
			

			

				Love to see some of the others that have done that challenge
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on July 19, 2023, 11:00:16 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ozzjim on July 19, 2023, 10:57:21 AM
Love to see some of the others that have done that challenge

I reckon it's a lot harder than it looks.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: mike on July 19, 2023, 11:28:50 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 19, 2023, 10:14:51 AM
Quote from: dicedlam on July 19, 2023, 10:06:18 AM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 18, 2023, 11:43:58 PM
The Saudi version of Islam isn't really similar to that which most Muslims practice. I doubt it's a factor.

Moussa Diaby is a Sunni Muslim which 80-90% of Saudi citizens are.

I doubt he's a Wahhabist.

Agreed but I don't know whether a non Wahhabi Sunni would be more at home in Saudi or the drug/alcohol/fleshpots of Europe. But it could be a complete red herring because I don't know whether that is a factor or even if he is devout. What I do know is that devout Sunni Muslims take their religion very seriously in a way that happy clap Christians and atheists who judge religion by their standards don't always appreciate.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 19, 2023, 11:34:45 AM
			

			

				I think it's a complete and utter red herring, personally. You can be a devout Muslim in most western countries quite easily, and being French he's going to have far more in common with his fellow French Muslims than he is the medieval head choppers in Saudi. He might be devout, but he also clearly enjoys the bling football lifestyle judging by his Instagram, which is full of shots of him with his mates wearing Rolex and driving Bentleys etc. As others have said, he's very unlikely to live in Saudi itself, and will probably live elsewhere like Dubai, Qatar or Abu Dhabi. There's one reason, and one reason only for going to Saudi Arabia, and that's money. Completely his choice, but let's not dress it up as something it's not.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on July 19, 2023, 11:38:57 AM
			

			

				He's definitely not going out there to pray at a better mosque 5 times a day. This is 100% money driven, 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 19, 2023, 11:39:31 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on July 19, 2023, 11:34:45 AM
I think it's a complete and utter red herring, personally. You can be a devout Muslim in most western countries quite easily, and being French he's going to have far more in common with his fellow French Muslims than he is the medieval head choppers in Saudi. He might be devout, but he also clearly enjoys the bling football lifestyle judging by his Instagram, which is full of shots of him with his mates wearing Rolex and driving Bentleys etc. As others have said, he's very unlikely to live in Saudi itself, and will probably live elsewhere like Dubai, Qatar or Abu Dhabi. There's one reason, and one reason only for going to Saudi Arabia, and that's money. Completely his choice, but let's not dress it up as something it's not.

Yep, exactly this.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on July 19, 2023, 11:44:03 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: VillaTim on July 19, 2023, 11:38:57 AM
He's definitely not going out there to pray at a better mosque 5 times a day. This is 100% money driven, 

I think we should back up on this thinking a little because there still seems to be more rumour that he's just waiting for them to accept our offer rather than him having had his head turned.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on July 19, 2023, 11:45:19 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on July 19, 2023, 11:34:45 AM
I think it's a complete and utter red herring, personally. You can be a devout Muslim in most western countries quite easily, and being French he's going to have far more in common with his fellow French Muslims than he is the medieval head choppers in Saudi. He might be devout, but he also clearly enjoys the bling football lifestyle judging by his Instagram, which is full of shots of him with his mates wearing Rolex and driving Bentleys etc. As others have said, he's very unlikely to live in Saudi itself, and will probably live elsewhere like Dubai, Qatar or Abu Dhabi. There's one reason, and one reason only for going to Saudi Arabia, and that's money. Completely his choice, but let's not dress it up as something it's not.
Yes indeed. In fact I would argue he is more free to pursue Islam in the way he likes in France or UK than Cuntabia. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on July 19, 2023, 11:46:01 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on July 19, 2023, 12:43:26 AM
Quote from: john2710 on July 18, 2023, 11:09:06 PM
Diaby's going nowhere until any club that wants him agrees a fee with Leverkusen. That's the hold up & they don't need to sell.

He's seemingly indicated that he's happy to come to us & no doubt we've established the basis of a contract with him. I think we'll get him by the weekend.

Agreed, John. Plus, if we're going to throw big money around I would rather it spent on a top centre forward. Who? Absolutely no idea but I'm sure they still exist. The Turkish fella at Porto doesn't need three chances to put the ball in the back of the net but age is not on his side. Pay me Monchi's salary and I'm sure I'd find a shortlist.
Piece of piss:

Timo Wener
Gianluca Scamacca
Richalison
Sebastien Haller
Tanguy Ndombele
Nicolas Pepe
Romelu Lukaku

Easy money this scouting lark.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 19, 2023, 11:46:58 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on July 19, 2023, 11:46:01 AM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on July 19, 2023, 12:43:26 AM
Quote from: john2710 on July 18, 2023, 11:09:06 PM
Diaby's going nowhere until any club that wants him agrees a fee with Leverkusen. That's the hold up & they don't need to sell.

He's seemingly indicated that he's happy to come to us & no doubt we've established the basis of a contract with him. I think we'll get him by the weekend.

Agreed, John. Plus, if we're going to throw big money around I would rather it spent on a top centre forward. Who? Absolutely no idea but I'm sure they still exist. The Turkish fella at Porto doesn't need three chances to put the ball in the back of the net but age is not on his side. Pay me Monchi's salary and I'm sure I'd find a shortlist.
Piece of piss:

Timo Wener
Gianluca Scamacca
Richalison
Sebastien Haller
Tanguy Ndombele
Nicolas Pepe
Romelu Lukaku

Easy money this scouting lark.

Genuinely, I wouldn't go anywhere near any of those.

Pepe? Christ.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 19, 2023, 11:48:49 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: olaftab on July 19, 2023, 11:45:19 AM
Quote from: Risso on July 19, 2023, 11:34:45 AM
I think it's a complete and utter red herring, personally. You can be a devout Muslim in most western countries quite easily, and being French he's going to have far more in common with his fellow French Muslims than he is the medieval head choppers in Saudi. He might be devout, but he also clearly enjoys the bling football lifestyle judging by his Instagram, which is full of shots of him with his mates wearing Rolex and driving Bentleys etc. As others have said, he's very unlikely to live in Saudi itself, and will probably live elsewhere like Dubai, Qatar or Abu Dhabi. There's one reason, and one reason only for going to Saudi Arabia, and that's money. Completely his choice, but let's not dress it up as something it's not.
Yes indeed. In fact I would argue he is more free to pursue Islam in the way he likes in France or UK than Cuntabia. 

Let's face it, on the sort of money he's on, you could enjoy the perfect lifestyle anywhere in the world. Also, Birmingham's not exactly lacking in the multi-cultural stakes is it?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on July 19, 2023, 12:00:02 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 19, 2023, 11:46:58 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on July 19, 2023, 11:46:01 AM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on July 19, 2023, 12:43:26 AM
Quote from: john2710 on July 18, 2023, 11:09:06 PM
Diaby's going nowhere until any club that wants him agrees a fee with Leverkusen. That's the hold up & they don't need to sell.

He's seemingly indicated that he's happy to come to us & no doubt we've established the basis of a contract with him. I think we'll get him by the weekend.

Agreed, John. Plus, if we're going to throw big money around I would rather it spent on a top centre forward. Who? Absolutely no idea but I'm sure they still exist. The Turkish fella at Porto doesn't need three chances to put the ball in the back of the net but age is not on his side. Pay me Monchi's salary and I'm sure I'd find a shortlist.
Piece of piss:

Timo Wener
Gianluca Scamacca
Richalison
Sebastien Haller
Tanguy Ndombele
Nicolas Pepe
Romelu Lukaku

Easy money this scouting lark.

Genuinely, I wouldn't go anywhere near any of those.

Pepe? Christ.

At a guess I think the point is that they're all players that were pretty highly thought of and had big money moves where they flopped.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on July 19, 2023, 12:04:38 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 19, 2023, 10:40:39 AM
Let's get Benteke back.

https://twitter.com/sistoney67/status/1681468822266494977?s=20



Maybe not based on that. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on July 19, 2023, 12:06:24 PM
			

			

				Exactly Paul. And there's plenty more where those came from.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on July 19, 2023, 12:32:38 PM
			

			

				One report saying we've bid £22m for Doku but they're asking for £34m. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 19, 2023, 12:42:30 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on July 19, 2023, 12:32:38 PM
One report saying we've bid £22m for Doku but they're asking for £34m. 

Pointless. Al Nasty FC will be in soon at £50m.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 19, 2023, 01:50:00 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on July 19, 2023, 12:42:30 PM
Quote from: OCD on July 19, 2023, 12:32:38 PM
One report saying we've bid £22m for Doku but they're asking for £34m. 

Pointless. Al Nasty FC will be in soon at £50m.

It’s quite possible that one of them will come in and drive up the asking price, even if they don’t want him. It’s what I’d do if I wanted to disrupt a rival of one of the other clubs I owned. And it could already be going on with Diaby.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on July 19, 2023, 01:56:13 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 19, 2023, 01:50:00 PM
Quote from: Risso on July 19, 2023, 12:42:30 PM
Quote from: OCD on July 19, 2023, 12:32:38 PM
One report saying we've bid £22m for Doku but they're asking for £34m. 

Pointless. Al Nasty FC will be in soon at £50m.

It’s quite possible that one of them will come in and drive up the asking price, even if they don’t want him. It’s what I’d do if I wanted to disrupt a rival of one of the other clubs I owned. And it could already be going on with Diaby.

I was talking with a friend who said the same thing last night. More along the lines of, "Oh, you want to catch up to and surpass Newcastle..? Watch how expensive they make it." They don't have the power to pluck our players (yet), but they could create a recruiting nightmare for anyone in the league around them or aspiring to leapfrog them. 


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 19, 2023, 01:57:04 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 19, 2023, 01:50:00 PM
Quote from: Risso on July 19, 2023, 12:42:30 PM
Quote from: OCD on July 19, 2023, 12:32:38 PM
One report saying we've bid £22m for Doku but they're asking for £34m. 

Pointless. Al Nasty FC will be in soon at £50m.

It’s quite possible that one of them will come in and drive up the asking price, even if they don’t want him. It’s what I’d do if I wanted to disrupt a rival of one of the other clubs I owned. And it could already be going on with Diaby.

Indeed mate. It's been speculated on already that that's what might be happening.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Chris_Jephcott on July 19, 2023, 02:33:35 PM
			

			

				Just back from a lunchtime wine tasting.

Anything happened? Al-Nasty still being all nasty?

Can we count on Doku? (Get it???) or will there be a rebellion? 

Moussa we have this every transfer window?

I only post this as i’m a little merried and think this thread needs some dad jokes. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on July 19, 2023, 02:42:23 PM
			

			

				Lads what the hell is 'Doku' have you made it up
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on July 19, 2023, 02:43:15 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Monty on July 19, 2023, 02:42:23 PM
Lads what the hell is 'Doku' have you made it up

Sue Doku, she works in accounts.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 19, 2023, 02:45:09 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 19, 2023, 02:43:15 PM
Quote from: Monty on July 19, 2023, 02:42:23 PM
Lads what the hell is 'Doku' have you made it up

Sue Doku, she works in accounts.

Ace
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Chris_Jephcott on July 19, 2023, 02:47:21 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Monty on July 19, 2023, 02:42:23 PM
Lads what the hell is 'Doku' have you made it up

https://www.starwars.com/databank/count-dooku

For those who are repressed geeks. Like myself! 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 19, 2023, 03:05:54 PM
			

			

				https://twitter.com/paddypower/status/1681572014593589249?s=46&t=kLB8qTEsMiBNGf-G1LoBEQ
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on July 19, 2023, 03:10:13 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 19, 2023, 03:05:54 PM
https://twitter.com/paddypower/status/1681572014593589249?s=46&t=kLB8qTEsMiBNGf-G1LoBEQ

As far as I'm concerned the FA is complicit. This is absolutely ridiculous. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on July 19, 2023, 03:11:05 PM
			

			

				The state of some of the replies on there...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on July 19, 2023, 03:13:46 PM
			

			

				Can't we just get Monchi to phone up the Saudi club and get them to bid again?  Surely that's the best way to get this sorted?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 19, 2023, 03:13:59 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on July 19, 2023, 03:11:05 PM
The state of some of the replies on there...

I know, I want my 5 minutes back.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on July 19, 2023, 04:06:27 PM
			

			

				Saw this on Reddit today: 

Quote
ONE TO WATCH
Youri Tielemans (left), shrewdly bagged on a free from relegated Leicester. An impressive midfield of Ramsey, Douglas Luiz, Boubacar Kamara, John McGinn and now Tielemans cost less combined than the fee Chelsea paid for Villa's rookie reserve, Carney Chukwuemeka." 

Impressive stuff. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on July 19, 2023, 04:19:17 PM
			

			

				When NSWE consider where to buy their next football club, I suggest having one in Saudi Arabia as part of their multi-club model. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on July 19, 2023, 04:21:22 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on July 19, 2023, 04:19:17 PM
When NSWE consider where to buy their next football club, I suggest having one in Saudi Arabia as part of their multi-club model.

Doubt their govt with sell them one
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 19, 2023, 04:25:48 PM
			

			

				When we next sign someone I really hope the announcement is this good...

https://twitter.com/BurnleyOfficial/status/1681574610507104257
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on July 19, 2023, 04:27:20 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 19, 2023, 04:25:48 PM
When we next sign someone I really hope the announcement is this good...

https://twitter.com/BurnleyOfficial/status/1681574610507104257

 :-X
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 19, 2023, 04:48:31 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 19, 2023, 04:27:20 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 19, 2023, 04:25:48 PM
When we next sign someone I really hope the announcement is this good...

https://twitter.com/BurnleyOfficial/status/1681574610507104257

 :-X




I think they have form for stuff like this 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 19, 2023, 04:49:54 PM
			

			

				Diaby incoming at €60m including add ons according to some Spanish newspaper.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 19, 2023, 04:54:32 PM
			

			

				I watched that Burnely thing expecting them to be announcing a player called Po or something. Insanity.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on July 19, 2023, 04:59:25 PM
			

			

				Was anyone else at the last away game at theirs where they showed some drama film about their bee mascot getting a wife?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villatillidie25 on July 19, 2023, 05:01:32 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on July 19, 2023, 04:48:31 PM
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 19, 2023, 04:27:20 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 19, 2023, 04:25:48 PM
When we next sign someone I really hope the announcement is this good...

https://twitter.com/BurnleyOfficial/status/1681574610507104257

 :-X




I think they have form for stuff like this 

he looks ecstatic
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AlexAlexCropley on July 19, 2023, 05:14:04 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on July 19, 2023, 04:49:54 PM
Diaby incoming at €60m including add ons according to some Spanish newspaper.
Link?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on July 19, 2023, 05:16:11 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AlexAlexCropley on July 19, 2023, 05:14:04 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on July 19, 2023, 04:49:54 PM
Diaby incoming at €60m including add ons according to some Spanish newspaper.
Link?

The articles refer to Nacional, this is the only link I could find.. https://www.elnacional.cat/es/deportes/aston-villa-llega-60-millones-descarte-florentino-perez_1064217_102.html
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Londonvilla on July 19, 2023, 05:17:27 PM
			

			

				Aston Villa: Jeremy Doku bid rejected

https://www.footballfancast.com/aston-villa-premier-league-jeremy-doku-transfer-news-rumours-updates/

Aston Villa's opening bid of around €25m (£22m) for Rennes winger Jeremy Doku has been rejected, with the French club seeking a fee in the region of €40m (£35m), according to a recent report.


Would not want to pay more than £30m for someone who is a bit of a sick note.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on July 19, 2023, 05:19:14 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: villadelph on July 19, 2023, 05:16:11 PM
Quote from: AlexAlexCropley on July 19, 2023, 05:14:04 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on July 19, 2023, 04:49:54 PM
Diaby incoming at €60m including add ons according to some Spanish newspaper.
Link?

The articles refer to Nacional, this is the only link I could find.. https://www.elnacional.cat/es/deportes/aston-villa-llega-60-millones-descarte-florentino-perez_1064217_102.html

This references that:

https://www.football365.com/news/aston-villa-reach-agreement-sign-diaby-bayer-leverkusen-desire (https://www.football365.com/news/aston-villa-reach-agreement-sign-diaby-bayer-leverkusen-desire)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on July 19, 2023, 05:22:54 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 19, 2023, 04:59:25 PM
Was anyone else at the last away game at theirs where they showed some drama film about their bee mascot getting a wife?
That some serious shit you toking bru 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on July 19, 2023, 05:26:13 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: VillaTim on July 19, 2023, 05:22:54 PM
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 19, 2023, 04:59:25 PM
Was anyone else at the last away game at theirs where they showed some drama film about their bee mascot getting a wife?
That some serious shit you toking bru


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on July 19, 2023, 05:26:27 PM
			

			

				€35m (£30m) + €25m (£21.5m) in add-ons would be a good way of doing it, if we have to pay €60m. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AlexAlexCropley on July 19, 2023, 05:26:50 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: villadelph on July 19, 2023, 05:16:11 PM
Quote from: AlexAlexCropley on July 19, 2023, 05:14:04 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on July 19, 2023, 04:49:54 PM
Diaby incoming at €60m including add ons according to some Spanish newspaper.
Link?

The articles refer to Nacional, this is the only link I could find.. https://www.elnacional.cat/es/deportes/aston-villa-llega-60-millones-descarte-florentino-perez_1064217_102.html
Cheers
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 19, 2023, 05:37:58 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on July 19, 2023, 05:26:27 PM
€35m (£30m) + €25m (£21.5m) in add-ons would be a good way of doing it, if we have to pay €60m.

If that article is correct then the add-ons will represent value for money as they’d be conditional on his and our success.

Seems an equitable agreement if true. 

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 19, 2023, 05:42:31 PM
			

			

				A Saudi club has signed Mahrez for £30m. Is it the same one that was bidding for Diaby?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on July 19, 2023, 05:46:08 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 19, 2023, 05:42:31 PM
A Saudi club has signed Mahrez for £30m. Is it the same one that was bidding for Diaby?

No, Mahrez to Al Ahli and Diaby was Al Nassr.. both owned by the PIF. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 19, 2023, 06:19:56 PM
			

			

				Of course, if we'd just signed some players in January...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: UK Redsox on July 19, 2023, 06:37:58 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 19, 2023, 04:59:25 PM
Was anyone else at the last away game at theirs where they showed some drama film about their bee mascot getting a wife?

Not as bad as Villa holding an on pitch marriage ceremony for Bella and Hercules.

The most cringeworthy half time I’ve seen…and I’m including the day we nearly killed Santa
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RamboandBruno on July 19, 2023, 06:38:47 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 19, 2023, 04:27:20 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 19, 2023, 04:25:48 PM
When we next sign someone I really hope the announcement is this good...

https://twitter.com/BurnleyOfficial/status/1681574610507104257

 :-X

I love this, its made me laugh out loud
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on July 19, 2023, 06:41:28 PM
			

			

				La La is a Villa fan.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on July 19, 2023, 06:46:21 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: UK Redsox on July 19, 2023, 06:37:58 PM
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 19, 2023, 04:59:25 PM
Was anyone else at the last away game at theirs where they showed some drama film about their bee mascot getting a wife?

Not as bad as Villa holding an on pitch marriage ceremony for Bella and Hercules.

The most cringeworthy half time I’ve seen…and I’m including the day we nearly killed Santa

In fairness, Santa nearly killed himself. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on July 19, 2023, 06:47:22 PM
			

			

				The club tried to kill Father Christmas.

DISGRACE! 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 19, 2023, 06:57:24 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: RamboandBruno on July 19, 2023, 06:38:47 PM
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 19, 2023, 04:27:20 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 19, 2023, 04:25:48 PM
When we next sign someone I really hope the announcement is this good...

https://twitter.com/BurnleyOfficial/status/1681574610507104257

 :-X

I love this, its made me laugh out loud

They've done a few, their Shrek themed one last season was even better. I posted it on here at the time. 

7.5 million views for Burnley announcing a player who I've never heard of, isn't bad going. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on July 19, 2023, 08:04:52 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Londonvilla on July 19, 2023, 05:17:27 PM
Aston Villa: Jeremy Doku bid rejected

https://www.footballfancast.com/aston-villa-premier-league-jeremy-doku-transfer-news-rumours-updates/

Aston Villa's opening bid of around €25m (£22m) for Rennes winger Jeremy Doku has been rejected, with the French club seeking a fee in the region of €40m (£35m), according to a recent report.


Would not want to pay more than £30m for someone who is a bit of a sick note.

If both of the recent articles are correct about Diaby for €60m & still trying to get Doku, does that mean that we want both?

Be great if true...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on July 19, 2023, 08:16:04 PM
			

			

				I think we want 2 wide forwards for sure. It's our weakest area, although I think Ramsey is probably our most effective forward player every time he plays out wide. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on July 19, 2023, 08:33:15 PM
			

			

				Ramsey was getting better near the end of the season too. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on July 19, 2023, 08:38:09 PM
			

			

				Could he not play him in between players like Diaby & Doku?

---------------- Striker ------------------

Left winger - J. Ramsey - Right Winger

-------- Kamara - Douglas Luiz --------

Something like that? 

Its not like Buendia is offering us much in that central role... 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on July 19, 2023, 09:22:23 PM
			

			

				Romano still claiming that Diaby has said yes to us but the Saudi club are clearly just lobbing money at him to “convince” him to go there. In the end it might just be too much for us, or simply not a good business decision to overpay. He’s a brilliant player but we still need to make good financial decisions. Hopefully at his age he puts career over cash but depending on how much he could opt for the money even if he doesn’t actually want to. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on July 19, 2023, 09:37:01 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 19, 2023, 09:22:23 PM
Romano still claiming that Diaby has said yes to us but the Saudi club are clearly just lobbing money at him to “convince” him to go there. In the end it might just be too much for us, or simply not a good business decision to overpay. He’s a brilliant player but we still need to make good financial decisions. Hopefully at his age he puts career over cash but depending on how much he could opt for the money even if he doesn’t actually want to.
The Saudi Club - Al Nassr - owned by the PIF (same owner as Newcastle), either they are sabotaging us , or we are double bluffing them . Either way this Saudi involvement is hideous , its driving ridiculous inflation into the game 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on July 19, 2023, 09:37:05 PM
			

			

				One correction he wouldn’t opt for the money if he doesn’t “want” to. He has a choice.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on July 19, 2023, 09:37:55 PM
			

			

				Convenient that the night the Newcastle owners cough up £38m for Barnes they are lobbing more money at a rivals target. Even if he chooses Villa, they've pushed us way over the odds
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on July 19, 2023, 09:40:04 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 19, 2023, 09:22:23 PM
Romano still claiming that Diaby has said yes to us but the Saudi club are clearly just lobbing money at him to “convince” him to go there. In the end it might just be too much for us, or simply not a good business decision to overpay. He’s a brilliant player but we still need to make good financial decisions. Hopefully at his age he puts career over cash but depending on how much he could opt for the money even if he doesn’t actually want to.

For those who can no longer view Twitter.. 

"@FabrizioRomano 4:11PM ET - Jul 19, 2023 
Al Nassr have improved their proposal for Moussa Diaby. Negotiations on as Aston Villa also submitted a second bid on Tuesday. 

Al Nassr are pushing to convince the player after his green light to Villa." 


The fact that they are still trying to "convince" him after, I'm sure, offering a generous pay package is a good sign for us. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on July 19, 2023, 09:41:31 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 19, 2023, 09:37:05 PM
One correction he wouldn’t opt for the money if he doesn’t “want” to. He has a choice.

There is always a choice. My point is a reasonable choice is somewhat taken out of your hands when the money is impossible to refuse. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on July 19, 2023, 09:41:43 PM
			

			

				I’m not sure they have. I’m sure we have an upper limit of a financial package we’ll go to. Clearly if we could get him for less great, but I doubt we’ll go beyond what we feel is appropriate.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on July 19, 2023, 09:43:15 PM
			

			

				If they offer him £600k a week which is the sort of money they are throwing about to disrupt i imagine he'll go there 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dave shelley on July 19, 2023, 09:58:32 PM
			

			

				If his choice is Villa, and Laverkusen have accepted the Villa's offer, I don't understand what the delay is all about.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: lovejoy on July 19, 2023, 10:07:42 PM
			

			

				Well the delay is because his agent is trying to get the most financially lucrative deal for him, which is his job. He’s probably given positive signs to our offer but when another counter offer comes in it makes sense to hear them out. In turn Villa are doing the right thing and looking around so we don’t have all our eggs in one basket. The filthy Saudi money is distortive but that’s football these days. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 19, 2023, 10:19:24 PM
			

			

				I suppose even if he 100% wants to come to Villa his agent could be using the Saudi offers to try to get more out of us, rather than it being Leverkusen doing it. 


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john2710 on July 19, 2023, 10:20:39 PM
			

			

				Should he come to us, as I expect he will, it'll be interesting to see which other forward the Saudi's spend their £50m on.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RamboandBruno on July 19, 2023, 10:20:57 PM
			

			

				The longer this drags out now the less likely it is going to happen. We can’t match the Saudi money, so ultimately he  either wants to play in the premier league more than he wants the presumably vast sums on offer or he doesn’t. Its not like there will be two comparable financial offers to mull over for days on end. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 19, 2023, 10:25:53 PM
			

			

				I saw it mentioned that Leverkusen wanted it wrapped up before they head to their training camp in the Alps this weekend, so if that's the case we should know one way or the other soon. 

As mentioned above it'll be interesting to see who else they go for if we do sign him. I'm not sure if there was any interest there before we were making moves? Not to sound like I've got my tinfoil hat on, but there's certainly some interesting things happening in the game at the moment. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on July 19, 2023, 10:40:57 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: john2710 on July 19, 2023, 10:20:39 PM
Should he come to us, as I expect he will, it'll be interesting to see which other forward the Saudi's spend their £50m on.
They need Traore and Bailey in their League. I suggest both for combined fee of £70M.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on July 19, 2023, 10:43:12 PM
			

			

				The PIF see us as a threat so they are being disruptive. It's  fairly clear to me what's happening . 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on July 19, 2023, 10:48:30 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: RamboandBruno on July 19, 2023, 10:20:57 PM
The longer this drags out now the less likely it is going to happen. We can’t match the Saudi money, so ultimately he  either wants to play in the premier league more than he wants the presumably vast sums on offer or he doesn’t. Its not like there will be two comparable financial offers to mull over for days on end.

Until BV accept a bid it's all just speculation anyway. The only reputable source involved is Romano so far and he's saying that Diaby is keen on us, so until anyone meets the valuation we won't know. I'm actually pretty hopeful. If were bidding against a CL team then I'd be more worried 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 19, 2023, 10:52:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: coreyfeldman on July 19, 2023, 10:48:30 PM
Until BV accept a bid it's all just speculation anyway. The only reputable source involved is Romano so far and he's saying that Diaby is keen on us, so until anyone meets the valuation we won't know. I'm actually pretty hopeful. If were bidding against a CL team then I'd be more worried 

I've given it the green light, it's up to the player now.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 19, 2023, 10:53:12 PM
			

			

				

Rudy Galetti
@RudyGaletti
🚨✅ After reaching an agreement with #AlNassr - as revealed yesterday - now Moussa #Diaby pushes for the move.

‼️ The 🇫🇷 player told #BayerLeverkusen that he wouldn't want to go to #AstonVilla, preferring Saudi Arabia.

🗣️ The 🇸🇦 club is now in talks with the 🇩🇪 team. 🐓⚽
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 19, 2023, 10:53:24 PM
			

			

				Interesting that Sanson, who you'd have down as a banker to leave, is in the US squad, yet Traore, who is probably less of a banker to be shifted, is not.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 19, 2023, 10:54:31 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on July 19, 2023, 10:53:12 PM


Rudy Galetti
@RudyGaletti
🚨✅ After reaching an agreement with #AlNassr - as revealed yesterday - now Moussa #Diaby pushes for the move.

‼️ The 🇫🇷 player told #BayerLeverkusen that he wouldn't want to go to #AstonVilla, preferring Saudi Arabia.

🗣️ The 🇸🇦 club is now in talks with the 🇩🇪 team. 🐓⚽

That was a retweet from this morning. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SamTheMouse on July 19, 2023, 10:55:11 PM
			

			

				Maybe the Saudis have made an offer for Traore. Oh no wait, that would help us and they can't have that.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on July 19, 2023, 11:06:56 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on July 19, 2023, 10:53:12 PM


Rudy Galetti
@RudyGaletti
🚨✅ After reaching an agreement with #AlNassr - as revealed yesterday - now Moussa #Diaby pushes for the move.

‼️ The 🇫🇷 player told #BayerLeverkusen that he wouldn't want to go to #AstonVilla, preferring Saudi Arabia.

🗣️ The 🇸🇦 club is now in talks with the 🇩🇪 team. 🐓⚽

This person is not a source of any kind, utter garbage 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Jon Crofts on July 19, 2023, 11:11:10 PM
			

			

				Cross Barnes off the list now too by the look of things.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 19, 2023, 11:26:15 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Jon Crofts on July 19, 2023, 11:11:10 PM
Cross Barnes off the list now too by the look of things.

Not really sure why they've bought both Gordon and Barnes when they play in the same position, yet are so hamstrung by FFP they can't strengthen elsewhere.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 19, 2023, 11:48:31 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ozzjim on July 19, 2023, 09:37:55 PM
Convenient that the night the Newcastle owners cough up £38m for Barnes they are lobbing more money at a rivals target. Even if he chooses Villa, they've pushed us way over the odds

Also convenient that they’re selling* St Maximan.

*swapping money between clubs.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 19, 2023, 11:55:52 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 19, 2023, 11:48:31 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on July 19, 2023, 09:37:55 PM
Convenient that the night the Newcastle owners cough up £38m for Barnes they are lobbing more money at a rivals target. Even if he chooses Villa, they've pushed us way over the odds

Also convenient that they’re selling* St Maximan.

*swapping money between clubs.

They needed to sell before buying for FFP reasons.

They're not even getting good money for him. 



			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on July 20, 2023, 12:04:48 AM
			

			

				Some slightly more reliable sources suggesting we’ve reached an agreement with his club and Diaby will come to us. Let’s hope there’s truth in it and more reputable journalists confirm it 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on July 20, 2023, 12:19:24 AM
			

			

				He could make £40m over 5 years with us, while playing in the elite league, furthering his international opportunities and playing in Europe, potentially in the Champions League. If he chooses the Saudi’s over that, he’s a greedy fucker and deserves what he gets. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 20, 2023, 12:32:53 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 19, 2023, 11:55:52 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 19, 2023, 11:48:31 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on July 19, 2023, 09:37:55 PM
Convenient that the night the Newcastle owners cough up £38m for Barnes they are lobbing more money at a rivals target. Even if he chooses Villa, they've pushed us way over the odds

Also convenient that they’re selling* St Maximan.

*swapping money between clubs.

They needed to sell before buying for FFP reasons.

They're not even getting good money for him.

Enough to buy Barnes and stay within FFP. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Matt C on July 20, 2023, 01:18:22 AM
			

			

				Based on the more reputable sources, it seems we’ve agreed a fee so over to the player. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on July 20, 2023, 01:19:31 AM
			

			

				Let’s hope!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Matt C on July 20, 2023, 01:19:50 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ozzjim on July 19, 2023, 09:37:55 PM
Convenient that the night the Newcastle owners cough up £38m for Barnes they are lobbing more money at a rivals target. Even if he chooses Villa, they've pushed us way over the odds

Aside, I think Barnes is decent and wouldn’t have objected him to winding up here but 38m seems like… a lot. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on July 20, 2023, 01:21:34 AM
			

			

				I think Barnes was there for us if we wanted.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: jwarry on July 20, 2023, 03:41:01 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 20, 2023, 01:21:34 AM
I think Barnes was there for us if we wanted.

Yeh I get that feeling too.  Not what Unai is looking for 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on July 20, 2023, 05:52:41 AM
			

			

				Convenient that the Saudi club is paying for SM exactly what Newcastle need for Barnes. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: jwarry on July 20, 2023, 06:25:30 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on July 20, 2023, 05:52:41 AM
Convenient that the Saudi club is paying for SM exactly what Newcastle need for Barnes. 

I suppose some good may come out of all of this, FFP might need to be scrapped?!?  Come to think of it how come FFP doesn’t apply to Saudi clubs? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ian. on July 20, 2023, 06:46:08 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: jwarry on July 20, 2023, 06:25:30 AM
Quote from: OCD on July 20, 2023, 05:52:41 AM
Convenient that the Saudi club is paying for SM exactly what Newcastle need for Barnes. 

I suppose some good may come out of all of this, FFP might need to be scrapped?!?  Come to think of it how come FFP doesn’t apply to Saudi clubs? 

When you have the amount of money they have, there is no such thing as rules it would seem.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 20, 2023, 07:15:32 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: jwarry on July 20, 2023, 06:25:30 AM
Quote from: OCD on July 20, 2023, 05:52:41 AM
Convenient that the Saudi club is paying for SM exactly what Newcastle need for Barnes. 

I suppose some good may come out of all of this, FFP might need to be scrapped?!?  Come to think of it how come FFP doesn’t apply to Saudi clubs?

Because rules set by the European body apply to clubs in their jurisdiction, not outside it. Villa don't follow rules that CAF or CONCACAF set for clubs in their region either.

Al-Nassr don't really need to worry about their participation in the Champions League. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: enigma on July 20, 2023, 07:23:23 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: jwarry on July 20, 2023, 06:25:30 AM
Quote from: OCD on July 20, 2023, 05:52:41 AM
Convenient that the Saudi club is paying for SM exactly what Newcastle need for Barnes. 

I suppose some good may come out of all of this, FFP might need to be scrapped?!?  Come to think of it how come FFP doesn’t apply to Saudi clubs?
FFP is a UEFA thing. It's not worldwide.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: enigma on July 20, 2023, 07:25:27 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on July 20, 2023, 07:15:32 AM
Quote from: jwarry on July 20, 2023, 06:25:30 AM
Quote from: OCD on July 20, 2023, 05:52:41 AM
Convenient that the Saudi club is paying for SM exactly what Newcastle need for Barnes. 

I suppose some good may come out of all of this, FFP might need to be scrapped?!?  Come to think of it how come FFP doesn’t apply to Saudi clubs?

Because rules set by the European body apply to clubs in their jurisdiction, not outside it. Villa don't follow rules that CAF or CONCACAF set for clubs in their region either.

Al-Nassr don't really need to worry about their participation in the Champions League.
Although apparently joining the Champions League is the end goal for the Saudis. I suppose if the Israeli clubs can then it's not beyond the realms of possibilty.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on July 20, 2023, 07:29:42 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: enigma on July 20, 2023, 07:25:27 AM
Quote from: Dave on July 20, 2023, 07:15:32 AM
Quote from: jwarry on July 20, 2023, 06:25:30 AM
Quote from: OCD on July 20, 2023, 05:52:41 AM
Convenient that the Saudi club is paying for SM exactly what Newcastle need for Barnes. 

I suppose some good may come out of all of this, FFP might need to be scrapped?!?  Come to think of it how come FFP doesn’t apply to Saudi clubs?

Because rules set by the European body apply to clubs in their jurisdiction, not outside it. Villa don't follow rules that CAF or CONCACAF set for clubs in their region either.

Al-Nassr don't really need to worry about their participation in the Champions League.
Although apparently joining the Champions League is the end goal for the Saudis. I suppose if the Israeli clubs can then it's not beyond the realms of possibilty.
Without sinking too deeply into the politics of the whole thing, I think the reasons for Israel being in UEFA rather than the AFC are rather linked to countries like Saudi Arabia not being in them.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on July 20, 2023, 07:53:38 AM
			

			

				The House of Saud will probably force a merger in football like they have in golf with LIV and the PGA 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: jwarry on July 20, 2023, 08:34:14 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: VillaTim on July 20, 2023, 07:53:38 AM
The House of Saud will probably force a merger in football like they have in golf with LIV and the PGA 

That has to be their end game
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 20, 2023, 08:47:10 AM
			

			

				As I said before though, it's not directly comparable. Golf is a game for individuals, so if they get say, 20 of the top 40 players in the world to sign up, they've taken over half the sport in no time at all. Golfers also don't have fans of one player who take over a whole golf course just to watch that player. Golfers also just carry on playing most of their games on the same courses around the world that they did before.

To get anywhere close to that in football they'd have to take on FIFA, UEFA, and the incredibly powerful English, Spanish, Italian, German and French leagues, with a lot of teams in there who aren't short of a bob or two themselves. So sure, they're picking off a few players at the moment, and their league may actually become half decent after a few years, but I don't see how that leads to a pathway to them getting any more of a toehold in European football.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: rob_bridge on July 20, 2023, 08:48:01 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: jwarry on July 20, 2023, 08:34:14 AM
Quote from: VillaTim on July 20, 2023, 07:53:38 AM
The House of Saud will probably force a merger in football like they have in golf with LIV and the PGA 

That has to be their end game

Looks like it from where I stand
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on July 20, 2023, 08:51:48 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on July 20, 2023, 08:47:10 AM
As I said before though, it's not directly comparable. Golf is a game for individuals, so if they get say, 20 of the top 40 players in the world to sign up, they've taken over half the sport in no time at all. Golfers also don't have fans of one player who take over a whole golf course just to watch that player. Golfers also just carry on playing most of their games on the same courses around the world that they did before.

To get anywhere close to that in football they'd have to take on FIFA, UEFA, and the incredibly powerful English, Spanish, Italian, German and French leagues, with a lot of teams in there who aren't short of a bob or two themselves. So sure, they're picking off a few players at the moment, and their league may actually become half decent after a few years, but I don't see how that leads to a pathway to them getting any more of a toehold in European football.
true but they are also buying up clubs in Europe etc now so their sphere of influence is growing. Plus we know FIFA UEFA etc can easily be bought by bags of cash 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: mallo on July 20, 2023, 08:58:11 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: VillaTim on July 20, 2023, 08:51:48 AM
Quote from: Risso on July 20, 2023, 08:47:10 AM
As I said before though, it's not directly comparable. Golf is a game for individuals, so if they get say, 20 of the top 40 players in the world to sign up, they've taken over half the sport in no time at all. Golfers also don't have fans of one player who take over a whole golf course just to watch that player. Golfers also just carry on playing most of their games on the same courses around the world that they did before.

To get anywhere close to that in football they'd have to take on FIFA, UEFA, and the incredibly powerful English, Spanish, Italian, German and French leagues, with a lot of teams in there who aren't short of a bob or two themselves. So sure, they're picking off a few players at the moment, and their league may actually become half decent after a few years, but I don't see how that leads to a pathway to them getting any more of a toehold in European football.
true but they are also buying up clubs in Europe etc now so their sphere of influence is growing. Plus we know FIFA UEFA etc can easily be bought by bags of cash 
If they agree to pay a billion a year to european clubs to be in the CL then it'll get mooted. Similarly, they might instigate the breakaway league again in some form. They are disruptors and will do the same to football. It''s not like Chinese individuals playing out fantasies - they have a plan to get out of oil and sport is a big part of it.
I hope they fail but we all know how corrupt football authorities are. World cup Qatar....
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 20, 2023, 09:04:24 AM
			

			

				Yep the break away league is my prediction. They’ll own enough clubs in strategic leagues plus they know that Barca, Madrid and Juve are effectively bankrupt so would have to join.

Hopefully the media ignore the current Saudi league as the thing needs oxygen/money to gain credibility.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 20, 2023, 09:09:44 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: VillaTim on July 20, 2023, 08:51:48 AM
Quote from: Risso on July 20, 2023, 08:47:10 AM
As I said before though, it's not directly comparable. Golf is a game for individuals, so if they get say, 20 of the top 40 players in the world to sign up, they've taken over half the sport in no time at all. Golfers also don't have fans of one player who take over a whole golf course just to watch that player. Golfers also just carry on playing most of their games on the same courses around the world that they did before.

To get anywhere close to that in football they'd have to take on FIFA, UEFA, and the incredibly powerful English, Spanish, Italian, German and French leagues, with a lot of teams in there who aren't short of a bob or two themselves. So sure, they're picking off a few players at the moment, and their league may actually become half decent after a few years, but I don't see how that leads to a pathway to them getting any more of a toehold in European football.
true but they are also buying up clubs in Europe etc now so their sphere of influence is growing. Plus we know FIFA UEFA etc can easily be bought by bags of cash 

They've bought 75% of Newcastle. Who else?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on July 20, 2023, 09:16:33 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: mallo on July 20, 2023, 08:58:11 AM
Quote from: VillaTim on July 20, 2023, 08:51:48 AM
Quote from: Risso on July 20, 2023, 08:47:10 AM
As I said before though, it's not directly comparable. Golf is a game for individuals, so if they get say, 20 of the top 40 players in the world to sign up, they've taken over half the sport in no time at all. Golfers also don't have fans of one player who take over a whole golf course just to watch that player. Golfers also just carry on playing most of their games on the same courses around the world that they did before.

To get anywhere close to that in football they'd have to take on FIFA, UEFA, and the incredibly powerful English, Spanish, Italian, German and French leagues, with a lot of teams in there who aren't short of a bob or two themselves. So sure, they're picking off a few players at the moment, and their league may actually become half decent after a few years, but I don't see how that leads to a pathway to them getting any more of a toehold in European football.
true but they are also buying up clubs in Europe etc now so their sphere of influence is growing. Plus we know FIFA UEFA etc can easily be bought by bags of cash 
If they agree to pay a billion a year to european clubs to be in the CL then it'll get mooted. Similarly, they might instigate the breakaway league again in some form. They are disruptors and will do the same to football. It''s not like Chinese individuals playing out fantasies - they have a plan to get out of oil and sport is a big part of it.
I hope they fail but we all know how corrupt football authorities are. World cup Qatar....

Ironic, because if it weren't for oil they'd have long ago been under sanctions and embargos so hard there'd be no country left.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on July 20, 2023, 09:18:01 AM
			

			

				Problem is, if they keep offering wages to players in their prime of £300k a week, the Saudi league will take 3-4 years to become one of the top 4-5 in the world. Especially if they fund all clubs to ensure it's competitive. Diaby is a very interesting case. £30-35m contract over 5 years at Villa, or £80m with less tax in Saudi. Do that enough times, they have a very decent league very quickly. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on July 20, 2023, 09:29:36 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on July 20, 2023, 09:09:44 AM
Quote from: VillaTim on July 20, 2023, 08:51:48 AM
Quote from: Risso on July 20, 2023, 08:47:10 AM
As I said before though, it's not directly comparable. Golf is a game for individuals, so if they get say, 20 of the top 40 players in the world to sign up, they've taken over half the sport in no time at all. Golfers also don't have fans of one player who take over a whole golf course just to watch that player. Golfers also just carry on playing most of their games on the same courses around the world that they did before.

To get anywhere close to that in football they'd have to take on FIFA, UEFA, and the incredibly powerful English, Spanish, Italian, German and French leagues, with a lot of teams in there who aren't short of a bob or two themselves. So sure, they're picking off a few players at the moment, and their league may actually become half decent after a few years, but I don't see how that leads to a pathway to them getting any more of a toehold in European football.
true but they are also buying up clubs in Europe etc now so their sphere of influence is growing. Plus we know FIFA UEFA etc can easily be bought by bags of cash 

They've bought 75% of Newcastle. Who else?
might have a hidden stake in Chelsea and other clubs. I was referring more to the Middle East / Arab owners so including Abu Dhabi / Qatar etc as they will pool together to drive change in my opinion. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on July 20, 2023, 09:34:18 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ozzjim on July 20, 2023, 09:18:01 AM
Problem is, if they keep offering wages to players in their prime of £300k a week, the Saudi league will take 3-4 years to become one of the top 4-5 in the world. Especially if they fund all clubs to ensure it's competitive. Diaby is a very interesting case. £30-35m contract over 5 years at Villa, or £80m with less tax in Saudi. Do that enough times, they have a very decent league very quickly.

even if they bought 10-15 players a year from top 5 european leagues, they'd still be missing out on homegrown players and the improvement that comes from the league system that are inherent in europe. I don't believe for one second you'd have a proper league anyway there, you'd have 4 or 5 clubs with 7-8 'big' players and then a load of absolute shite around it, would be crap to watch.

IMO the Saudi football thing is doomed to fail, I genuinely don't believe you can just buy teams out of nowhere and hope they players gel with mostly average to shit managers too. That doesn't account for the level of coaching/training within the teams that comes from experienced UEFA trained professionals. There's also no way that any player is going to want to live out there for more than 2-3 years so there's no longevity to it, and I bet you that within 6-12 months there'll be a pushback from the players who have gone who begin to understand what it's actually like to play for clubs run by Saudis who have the most horrific human rights crimes committed every single day.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on July 20, 2023, 09:35:13 AM
			

			

				I don't think the players are going to say a god damn thing.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Vegas on July 20, 2023, 09:39:28 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: VillaTim on July 20, 2023, 09:29:36 AM
Quote from: Risso on July 20, 2023, 09:09:44 AM
Quote from: VillaTim on July 20, 2023, 08:51:48 AM
Quote from: Risso on July 20, 2023, 08:47:10 AM
As I said before though, it's not directly comparable. Golf is a game for individuals, so if they get say, 20 of the top 40 players in the world to sign up, they've taken over half the sport in no time at all. Golfers also don't have fans of one player who take over a whole golf course just to watch that player. Golfers also just carry on playing most of their games on the same courses around the world that they did before.

To get anywhere close to that in football they'd have to take on FIFA, UEFA, and the incredibly powerful English, Spanish, Italian, German and French leagues, with a lot of teams in there who aren't short of a bob or two themselves. So sure, they're picking off a few players at the moment, and their league may actually become half decent after a few years, but I don't see how that leads to a pathway to them getting any more of a toehold in European football.
true but they are also buying up clubs in Europe etc now so their sphere of influence is growing. Plus we know FIFA UEFA etc can easily be bought by bags of cash 

They've bought 75% of Newcastle. Who else?
might have a hidden stake in Chelsea and other clubs. I was referring more to the Middle East / Arab owners so including Abu Dhabi / Qatar etc as they will pool together to drive change in my opinion.

Qatar and Saudi have quite an intense rivalry. It’s a little better now than in 2017 when it was outright hatred and border blockades, but they are far from one entity.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: steamer on July 20, 2023, 09:45:05 AM
			

			

				Someone has to support them, who is going to watch endless exhibition type games between teams with no history or relevance.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villan82 on July 20, 2023, 09:45:22 AM
			

			

				Don't we just wait it out until oil runs out....

Seriously though, it's obscene and disgusting to observe sports washing by deplorable regimes on this level and how weak the challenge to it has been from associations in supposedly Liberal countries pursuing a sustainability agenda. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on July 20, 2023, 09:46:43 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Monty on July 20, 2023, 09:35:13 AM
I don't think the players are going to say a god damn thing.
they must be pinching themselves , you've got a situation now for example where Gerrard is now the 4th highest paid manager in the world. It's hideous unless you're the lucky one shovelling money into your bank
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 20, 2023, 09:50:01 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: steamer on July 20, 2023, 09:45:05 AM
Who is going to watch endless exhibition type games between teams with no history or relevance.

Most of the bigger clubs date back to the 20s and 30s. Even the minor ones go back as far as the 50s.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on July 20, 2023, 09:52:56 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Monty on July 20, 2023, 09:35:13 AM
I don't think the players are going to say a god damn thing.

Definitely not initially, but there's no way that after they've left there won't be crazy stories told on Peter Crouch's podcast or league of their own or whatever coming out.

I just can't see how anyone really thinks that you can just create a league out of nothing, in an environment and culture that is so vastly alien to everything that almost all of the players are used to. The money is what will get players there but nobody is staying out there for more than a couple of years, bet ya
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 20, 2023, 09:55:27 AM
			

			

				That’s the thing. The Saudi league only becomes relevant if the media pander to the galactico footballers.

They need/want a return on their investment but if no-one is interested in “Ronaldo” it will eventually collapse.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 20, 2023, 10:01:01 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: VillaTim on July 20, 2023, 09:29:36 AM
Quote from: Risso on July 20, 2023, 09:09:44 AM
Quote from: VillaTim on July 20, 2023, 08:51:48 AM
Quote from: Risso on July 20, 2023, 08:47:10 AM
As I said before though, it's not directly comparable. Golf is a game for individuals, so if they get say, 20 of the top 40 players in the world to sign up, they've taken over half the sport in no time at all. Golfers also don't have fans of one player who take over a whole golf course just to watch that player. Golfers also just carry on playing most of their games on the same courses around the world that they did before.

To get anywhere close to that in football they'd have to take on FIFA, UEFA, and the incredibly powerful English, Spanish, Italian, German and French leagues, with a lot of teams in there who aren't short of a bob or two themselves. So sure, they're picking off a few players at the moment, and their league may actually become half decent after a few years, but I don't see how that leads to a pathway to them getting any more of a toehold in European football.
true but they are also buying up clubs in Europe etc now so their sphere of influence is growing. Plus we know FIFA UEFA etc can easily be bought by bags of cash 

They've bought 75% of Newcastle. Who else?
might have a hidden stake in Chelsea and other clubs. I was referring more to the Middle East / Arab owners so including Abu Dhabi / Qatar etc as they will pool together to drive change in my opinion. 

The conversation was about Saudi Arabia and them doing to football what LIV did to golf. In any case, Saudi and the UAE are big rivals in the region, both economically and politically. The UAE have been doing for years what Saudi Arabia is only really getting going with now.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villatillidie25 on July 20, 2023, 10:07:15 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Villan82 on July 20, 2023, 09:45:22 AM
Don't we just wait it out until oil runs out....

Seriously though, it's obscene and disgusting to observe sports washing by deplorable regimes on this level and how weak the challenge to it has been from associations in supposedly Liberal countries pursuing a sustainability agenda. 

Trouble is, those liberal countries need the black gold so they can only protest/push so much before they back down (& that isn't much)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villatillidie25 on July 20, 2023, 10:08:30 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 20, 2023, 09:55:27 AM
That’s the thing. The Saudi league only becomes relevant if the media pander to the galactico footballers.

They need/want a return on their investment but if no-one is interested in “Ronaldo” it will eventually collapse.

They don't need a return on their investment to be honest and they could easily see sports-washing / seat at the table in a new European League etc. etc. as their ROI, rather than specifically a cash return
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: lovejoy on July 20, 2023, 10:25:31 AM
			

			

				My gut feel is that he'll go to Saudi. I'm only reluctant to state this as it's Drummonds reputation on the line. But I'm basing my view on guess work and he's a facts man.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on July 20, 2023, 10:30:50 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Villatillidie25 on July 20, 2023, 10:08:30 AM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 20, 2023, 09:55:27 AM
That’s the thing. The Saudi league only becomes relevant if the media pander to the galactico footballers.

They need/want a return on their investment but if no-one is interested in “Ronaldo” it will eventually collapse.

They don't need a return on their investment to be honest and they could easily see sports-washing / seat at the table in a new European League etc. etc. as their ROI, rather than specifically a cash return
True, they are playing a long game backed up with trillions of $ and decades away from zero oil.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on July 20, 2023, 10:30:56 AM
			

			

				You can prove anything with facts.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RamboandBruno on July 20, 2023, 10:36:58 AM
			

			

				I think Monty is right, the players won’t say anything, why would they. Thats not the same as saying they will stay out there for years at a time, they won’t need to. For players like Henderson, Benzema, Ronaldo, that won’t matter, but for the younger players going, i don’t see how if they go at 25/26, they come back and are able to play at the level of the English or Spanish top league at say 28/29. Financially they obviously wont need to, its whether they are ready to semi retire in the way Messi and Ronaldo are now, without the profile of those players and a young age for a footballer. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on July 20, 2023, 10:38:44 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: lovejoy on July 20, 2023, 10:25:31 AM
My gut feel is that he'll go to Saudi. I'm only reluctant to state this as it's Drummonds reputation on the line. But I'm basing my view on guess work and he's a facts man.

Apparently Drummond has been offered a Player Liaison role at Al Nassr. 10m USD per annum and a few spare Russian roubles in case he wants to take on Putin.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 20, 2023, 10:39:07 AM
			

			

				You have to wonder about Jordan Henderson, mind. Highly vocal in his support of LGBTQ+ rights when it suits him, fucks off to a vile abusive hell hole where they execute gay people when someone waves a load of money at him.

I mean, how much more money does he actually need?

I also bet playing for fucking Al-Jarreau or whatever they're called turns out to be no obstacle to getting picked every time by Southgate, either.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RamboandBruno on July 20, 2023, 10:51:19 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 20, 2023, 10:39:07 AM
You have to wonder about Jordan Henderson, mind. Highly vocal in his support of LGBTQ+ rights when it suits him, fucks off to a vile abusive hell hole where they execute gay people when someone waves a load of money at him.

I mean, how much more money does he actually need?

I also bet playing for fucking Al-Jarreau or whatever they're called turns out to be no obstacle to getting picked every time by Southgate, either.

Yes they were trying to spin it on talkshite this morning, that maybe he’s going out there to try and change things…literally nearly wet myself laughing. He’s getting more analysis than some other players going, but he can’t have it both ways and be this ‘campaigning’ footballer for LGBTQ rights amongst other things and then just abandon all that for the bucks….massive hypocrite. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on July 20, 2023, 10:52:32 AM
			

			

				What, is Henderson some revolutionary Hanbali jurisprudence reformer?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dr.chekov on July 20, 2023, 10:55:42 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: RamboandBruno on July 20, 2023, 10:51:19 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 20, 2023, 10:39:07 AM
You have to wonder about Jordan Henderson, mind. Highly vocal in his support of LGBTQ+ rights when it suits him, fucks off to a vile abusive hell hole where they execute gay people when someone waves a load of money at him.

I mean, how much more money does he actually need?

I also bet playing for fucking Al-Jarreau or whatever they're called turns out to be no obstacle to getting picked every time by Southgate, either.

Yes they were trying to spin it on talkshite this morning, that maybe he’s going out there to try and change things…literally nearly wet myself laughing. He’s getting more analysis than some other players going, but he can’t have it both ways and be this ‘campaigning’ footballer for LGBTQ rights amongst other things and then just abandon all that for the bucks….massive hypocrite. 

Yeah, that is freakin ridiculous. Like you say, massive hypocrite.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on July 20, 2023, 10:56:06 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 20, 2023, 10:39:07 AM
You have to wonder about Jordan Henderson, mind. Highly vocal in his support of LGBTQ+ rights when it suits him, fucks off to a vile abusive hell hole where they execute gay people when someone waves a load of money at him.

I mean, how much more money does he actually need?

I also bet playing for fucking Al-Jarreau or whatever they're called turns out to be no obstacle to getting picked every time by Southgate, either.
Can't say I understand it either really. I mean, really how much money does anyone actually need? You can only eat so many meals, go on so many holidays, drive so many fast cars etc.

But you look at that Zahawi bloke trying to diddle the country out of £4.8m tax. I mean, fuck, how much money are you earning that you get whacked with that tax bill? And you still feel like that's not enough for you? Bloody hell...

Long come to the conclusion that money is a worse, more addictive drug than any. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RamboandBruno on July 20, 2023, 10:56:43 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Monty on July 20, 2023, 10:52:32 AM
What, is Henderson some revolutionary Hanbali jurisprudence reformer?
Nope just a footballer who has been outspoken on LGTBQ rights who has then taken loads of money to live in a country where they execute people for being homosexual, nothing more or less, think he’s a hypocrite or don’t? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 20, 2023, 11:06:42 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: RamboandBruno on July 20, 2023, 10:56:43 AM
Quote from: Monty on July 20, 2023, 10:52:32 AM
What, is Henderson some revolutionary Hanbali jurisprudence reformer?
Nope just a footballer who has been outspoken on LGTBQ rights who has then taken loads of money to live in a country where they execute people for being homosexual, nothing more or less, think he’s a hypocrite or don’t? 

It's a reference to the bizarre suggestion that he's going out there "to change things" which was dished out as an excuse for him yesterday
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rigadon on July 20, 2023, 11:09:59 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 20, 2023, 11:06:42 AM
Quote from: RamboandBruno on July 20, 2023, 10:56:43 AM
Quote from: Monty on July 20, 2023, 10:52:32 AM
What, is Henderson some revolutionary Hanbali jurisprudence reformer?
Nope just a footballer who has been outspoken on LGTBQ rights who has then taken loads of money to live in a country where they execute people for being homosexual, nothing more or less, think he’s a hypocrite or don’t? 

It's a reference to the bizarre suggestion that he's going out there "to change things" which was dished out as an excuse for him yesterday

It's the same mental gymnastics Newcastle fans do when their ownership is questioned.  It's unpalatable to give an honest appraisal of something that you really like doing, like for fans supporting a team you have all your life, and players picking up vast sums of money.  

The whole thing is pretty grotty.   
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 20, 2023, 11:12:02 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 20, 2023, 10:39:07 AM
I also bet playing for fucking Al-Jarreau or whatever they're called turns out to be no obstacle to getting picked every time by Southgate, either.

Just to drop in a small piece of trivia, former Southampton and Juventus winger Eljero Elia was so named because his parents were big Al Jarreau fans. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 20, 2023, 11:12:49 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ChicagoLion on July 20, 2023, 10:30:50 AM
Quote from: Villatillidie25 on July 20, 2023, 10:08:30 AM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 20, 2023, 09:55:27 AM
That’s the thing. The Saudi league only becomes relevant if the media pander to the galactico footballers.

They need/want a return on their investment but if no-one is interested in “Ronaldo” it will eventually collapse.

They don't need a return on their investment to be honest and they could easily see sports-washing / seat at the table in a new European League etc. etc. as their ROI, rather than specifically a cash return
True, they are playing a long game backed up with trillions of $ and decades away from zero oil.

Both responses suggest that some sort return is anticipated weather status or just a long way in the future. Ignore the whole league and let it live in a vacuum, without media attention, and neither of those returns are realistic.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on July 20, 2023, 11:14:53 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 20, 2023, 11:06:42 AM
Quote from: RamboandBruno on July 20, 2023, 10:56:43 AM
Quote from: Monty on July 20, 2023, 10:52:32 AM
What, is Henderson some revolutionary Hanbali jurisprudence reformer?
Nope just a footballer who has been outspoken on LGTBQ rights who has then taken loads of money to live in a country where they execute people for being homosexual, nothing more or less, think he’s a hypocrite or don’t? 

It's a reference to the bizarre suggestion that he's going out there "to change things" which was dished out as an excuse for him yesterday

Well, it will be interesting if he does talk about it in interviews over there or use his position to highlight intolerance and call for change. Being seen to promote or encourage it is also frowned upon and can be dealt with harshly.

With these footballers going over there and taking families, I do wonder about the impact it might have on their kids. I mean they could be taking along a child who already knows they're gay and putting them in that environment without knowing it. It can be hard enough on a kid in this country, let alone somewhere like that.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 20, 2023, 11:15:52 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 20, 2023, 11:14:53 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 20, 2023, 11:06:42 AM
Quote from: RamboandBruno on July 20, 2023, 10:56:43 AM
Quote from: Monty on July 20, 2023, 10:52:32 AM
What, is Henderson some revolutionary Hanbali jurisprudence reformer?
Nope just a footballer who has been outspoken on LGTBQ rights who has then taken loads of money to live in a country where they execute people for being homosexual, nothing more or less, think he’s a hypocrite or don’t? 

It's a reference to the bizarre suggestion that he's going out there "to change things" which was dished out as an excuse for him yesterday

Well, it will be interesting if he does talk about it in interviews over there or use his position to highlight intolerance and call for change. Being seen to promote or encourage it is also frowned upon and can be dealt with harshly.

With these footballers going over there and taking families, I do wonder about the impact it might have on their kids. I mean they could be taking along a child who already knows they're gay and putting them in that environment without knowing it. It can be hard enough on a kid in this country, let alone somewhere like that.

A lot of them will be living outside Saudi, by all accounts.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on July 20, 2023, 11:20:13 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 20, 2023, 11:15:52 AM
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 20, 2023, 11:14:53 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 20, 2023, 11:06:42 AM
Quote from: RamboandBruno on July 20, 2023, 10:56:43 AM
Quote from: Monty on July 20, 2023, 10:52:32 AM
What, is Henderson some revolutionary Hanbali jurisprudence reformer?
Nope just a footballer who has been outspoken on LGTBQ rights who has then taken loads of money to live in a country where they execute people for being homosexual, nothing more or less, think he’s a hypocrite or don’t? 

It's a reference to the bizarre suggestion that he's going out there "to change things" which was dished out as an excuse for him yesterday

Well, it will be interesting if he does talk about it in interviews over there or use his position to highlight intolerance and call for change. Being seen to promote or encourage it is also frowned upon and can be dealt with harshly.

With these footballers going over there and taking families, I do wonder about the impact it might have on their kids. I mean they could be taking along a child who already knows they're gay and putting them in that environment without knowing it. It can be hard enough on a kid in this country, let alone somewhere like that.

A lot of them will be living outside Saudi, by all accounts.

While Bahrain has decriminalised homosexuality, there is no protection against discrimination by law, and it is still penalised under laws to prevent indecency and immorality.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dr.chekov on July 20, 2023, 11:22:44 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rigadon on July 20, 2023, 11:09:59 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 20, 2023, 11:06:42 AM
Quote from: RamboandBruno on July 20, 2023, 10:56:43 AM
Quote from: Monty on July 20, 2023, 10:52:32 AM
What, is Henderson some revolutionary Hanbali jurisprudence reformer?
Nope just a footballer who has been outspoken on LGTBQ rights who has then taken loads of money to live in a country where they execute people for being homosexual, nothing more or less, think he’s a hypocrite or don’t? 

It's a reference to the bizarre suggestion that he's going out there "to change things" which was dished out as an excuse for him yesterday

It's the same mental gymnastics Newcastle fans do when their ownership is questioned.  It's unpalatable to give an honest appraisal of something that you really like doing, like for fans supporting a team you have all your life, and players picking up vast sums of money.  

The whole thing is pretty grotty.   

There are a group of Newcastle fans who are against the ownership. Minority but they are constantly protesting. I wonder how we would have reacted if it had been us.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on July 20, 2023, 11:27:19 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: dr.chekov on July 20, 2023, 11:22:44 AM
Quote from: Rigadon on July 20, 2023, 11:09:59 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 20, 2023, 11:06:42 AM
Quote from: RamboandBruno on July 20, 2023, 10:56:43 AM
Quote from: Monty on July 20, 2023, 10:52:32 AM
What, is Henderson some revolutionary Hanbali jurisprudence reformer?
Nope just a footballer who has been outspoken on LGTBQ rights who has then taken loads of money to live in a country where they execute people for being homosexual, nothing more or less, think he’s a hypocrite or don’t? 

It's a reference to the bizarre suggestion that he's going out there "to change things" which was dished out as an excuse for him yesterday

It's the same mental gymnastics Newcastle fans do when their ownership is questioned.  It's unpalatable to give an honest appraisal of something that you really like doing, like for fans supporting a team you have all your life, and players picking up vast sums of money.  

The whole thing is pretty grotty.   

There are a group of Newcastle fans who are against the ownership. Minority but they are constantly protesting. I wonder how we would have reacted if it had been us.

I know, I dread to think. I don't envy them at all. I honestly don't know what I would do.

I have a gay mate who is a Newcastle fan. We don't talk about football anymore.

The chap in K4 who shouted 'faggots' at the Brighton players when they scored last season would be delighted, though.


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on July 20, 2023, 11:28:49 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: dr.chekov on July 20, 2023, 11:22:44 AM
Quote from: Rigadon on July 20, 2023, 11:09:59 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 20, 2023, 11:06:42 AM
Quote from: RamboandBruno on July 20, 2023, 10:56:43 AM
Quote from: Monty on July 20, 2023, 10:52:32 AM
What, is Henderson some revolutionary Hanbali jurisprudence reformer?
Nope just a footballer who has been outspoken on LGTBQ rights who has then taken loads of money to live in a country where they execute people for being homosexual, nothing more or less, think he’s a hypocrite or don’t? 

It's a reference to the bizarre suggestion that he's going out there "to change things" which was dished out as an excuse for him yesterday

It's the same mental gymnastics Newcastle fans do when their ownership is questioned.  It's unpalatable to give an honest appraisal of something that you really like doing, like for fans supporting a team you have all your life, and players picking up vast sums of money.  

The whole thing is pretty grotty.   

There are a group of Newcastle fans who are against the ownership. Minority but they are constantly protesting. I wonder how we would have reacted if it had been us.

Suspect it would have been very similar, majority would ride the wave of doing better & some would protest.  Had they taken over and still hovered around bottom 6 the dissenting voices would have been louder.

As for Henderson, there is no way he is going there to change things…if he speaks out he’ll either find himself booted out, in a box or mysteriously disappearing 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RamboandBruno on July 20, 2023, 11:29:28 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 20, 2023, 11:06:42 AM
Quote from: RamboandBruno on July 20, 2023, 10:56:43 AM
Quote from: Monty on July 20, 2023, 10:52:32 AM
What, is Henderson some revolutionary Hanbali jurisprudence reformer?
Nope just a footballer who has been outspoken on LGTBQ rights who has then taken loads of money to live in a country where they execute people for being homosexual, nothing more or less, think he’s a hypocrite or don’t? 

It's a reference to the bizarre suggestion that he's going out there "to change things" which was dished out as an excuse for him yesterday

Apologies to Monty, mis read it. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 20, 2023, 11:33:14 AM
			

			

				Danjuma's finally off to Everton it seems.

It's definitely curious, considering how good he was under Emery that we seem to have no interest at all. Given it would be no risk and in a position where we have plenty of room for extra bodies. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 20, 2023, 11:38:41 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: dr.chekov on July 20, 2023, 11:22:44 AM
There are a group of Newcastle fans who are against the ownership. Minority but they are constantly protesting. I wonder how we would have reacted if it had been us.

I was thinking the same the other day. It's not like you can just give up your club.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 20, 2023, 11:40:01 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: dr.chekov on July 20, 2023, 11:22:44 AM
There are a group of Newcastle fans who are against the ownership. Minority but they are constantly protesting. I wonder how we would have reacted if it had been us.

Depends on whether they would have gone full steam ahead with the new round badge.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on July 20, 2023, 11:44:16 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on July 20, 2023, 11:40:01 AM
Quote from: dr.chekov on July 20, 2023, 11:22:44 AM
There are a group of Newcastle fans who are against the ownership. Minority but they are constantly protesting. I wonder how we would have reacted if it had been us.

Depends on whether they would have gone full steam ahead with the new round badge.

They've probably got some equivalent nut boring the shit out of everyone about that comedy 'NUFC' badge squashed into a ball they had in the 80's
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ads on July 20, 2023, 11:46:43 AM
			

			

				Suggestion that it's Diaby and Doku we're after, rather than either or.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: TheMalandro on July 20, 2023, 11:51:27 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ads on July 20, 2023, 11:46:43 AM
Suggestion that it's Diaby and Doku we're after, rather than either or.


Diaby Doku. Isn’t that what the Krankies used to say?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 20, 2023, 11:51:40 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ads on July 20, 2023, 11:46:43 AM
Suggestion that it's Diaby and Doku we're after, rather than either or.

Yes, people have been suggesting that on Twitter for a couple of days now.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on July 20, 2023, 11:59:15 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: TheMalandro on July 20, 2023, 11:51:27 AM
Quote from: Ads on July 20, 2023, 11:46:43 AM
Suggestion that it's Diaby and Doku we're after, rather than either or.


Diaby Doku. Isn’t that what the Krankies used to say?

That's Duran-Diaby-Doku.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on July 20, 2023, 12:05:13 PM
			

			

				If we are gonig for both I'll trust Emery but for me they're a bit too similar. I know his record in Italy isn't great but I think i'd prefer someone like de ketelaere as the 2nd option.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RamboandBruno on July 20, 2023, 12:06:50 PM
			

			

				I kind of got used to thinking we we’re going to get Johnson
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 20, 2023, 12:18:58 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: RamboandBruno on July 20, 2023, 12:06:50 PM
I kind of got used to thinking we we’re going to get Johnson

Johnson would be my choice.

I think Vinny on here, who seems to get some genuine info said that we certainly wanted him.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on July 20, 2023, 12:26:10 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on July 20, 2023, 11:51:40 AM
Quote from: Ads on July 20, 2023, 11:46:43 AM
Suggestion that it's Diaby and Doku we're after, rather than either or.

Yes, people have been suggesting that on Twitter for a couple of days now.

And on here... 😉
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 20, 2023, 12:30:40 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 20, 2023, 12:18:58 PM
Quote from: RamboandBruno on July 20, 2023, 12:06:50 PM
I kind of got used to thinking we we’re going to get Johnson

Johnson would be my choice.

I think Vinny on here, who seems to get some genuine info said that we certainly wanted him.

I think I’d prefer the safety of Johnson, but then I don’t work in football so never watch the bundesliga.

With Johnson, he pretty much kept Forest up in his own so it suggests he has that ability to step up under pressure.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on July 20, 2023, 12:36:14 PM
			

			

				The issue with Johnson might be the price... 

As an unwilling seller, Forest would probably want €50m+.

Whereas we could get Doku for around £35m.

And we might need the saving if Newcastles banker club keep raising the price of Diaby...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bad English on July 20, 2023, 12:36:58 PM
			

			

				Seeing the patronym Johnson popping up on here is irritating me more than it should. Can't he change his name?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 20, 2023, 12:39:33 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 20, 2023, 12:30:40 PM
With Johnson, he pretty much kept Forest up in his own so it suggests he has that ability to step up under pressure.

Dunno about that. Johnson was definitely important but Awoniyi scored more goals and at more important times. If any single player was the difference between Forest going down and staying up it was him over Johnson. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on July 20, 2023, 12:49:11 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on July 20, 2023, 12:39:33 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 20, 2023, 12:30:40 PM
With Johnson, he pretty much kept Forest up in his own so it suggests he has that ability to step up under pressure.

Dunno about that. Johnson was definitely important but Awoniyi scored more goals and at more important times. If any single player was the difference between Forest going down and staying up it was him over Johnson. 

Their whole front line 'ticked' towards the end of the season with Gibbs-White playing a big part as well.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on July 20, 2023, 12:51:12 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on July 20, 2023, 12:39:33 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 20, 2023, 12:30:40 PM
With Johnson, he pretty much kept Forest up in his own so it suggests he has that ability to step up under pressure.

Dunno about that. Johnson was definitely important but Awoniyi scored more goals and at more important times. If any single player was the difference between Forest going down and staying up it was him over Johnson.
& Gibbs-White even more so for me.

Do like Johnson though….
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on July 20, 2023, 12:51:33 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bad English on July 20, 2023, 12:36:58 PM
Seeing the patronym Johnson popping up on here is irritating me more than it should. Can't he change his name?

Seeing the what, now?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on July 20, 2023, 12:59:20 PM
			

			

				Aston Villa have now reached an agreement in principle with Bayer Leverkusen over the transfer of Moussa Diaby. Total fee understood to be around €50 million. Personal terms have already been agreed. 🟣#AVFC 

Al-Nassr’s latest contract offer is a massive increase compared to the one offered by Aston Villa therefore Diaby will wait for Al-Nassr to agree a fee then make his decision. #Transfers
from Max Lee on Twitter 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on July 20, 2023, 01:07:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ads on July 20, 2023, 11:46:43 AM
Suggestion that it's Diaby and Doku we're after, rather than either or.

Does that mean we're not going after Brennan Johnson any more? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: baddowvillans on July 20, 2023, 01:12:26 PM
			

			

				We should withdraw our offer.  If he is waiting for more money to play in a nothing league he isn't the player we need!

NB my comment was in response to the quote that Diaby had higher personal terms from SA and was waiting for them to agree terms with the club.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on July 20, 2023, 01:13:15 PM
			

			

				We're not going for a striker then? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 20, 2023, 01:14:06 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on July 20, 2023, 01:13:15 PM
We're not going for a striker then? 

Aren't we?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on July 20, 2023, 01:21:31 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on July 20, 2023, 01:14:06 PM
Quote from: Smirker on July 20, 2023, 01:13:15 PM
We're not going for a striker then? 

Aren't we?

I don't know I'm asking. Haven't seen any links or speculation. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dick Edwards on July 20, 2023, 01:24:08 PM
			

			

				Hopefully, Unai has seen something he likes in training and Cam Archer will be unleashed this season.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 20, 2023, 01:25:46 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pablo_picasso on July 20, 2023, 12:36:14 PM
The issue with Johnson might be the price... 

As an unwilling seller, Forest would probably want €50m+.


I think Forest need to balance the books?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Stu on July 20, 2023, 01:26:05 PM
			

			

				If that Max Lee tweet is true then Diaby is off to Saudi. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Chris_Jephcott on July 20, 2023, 01:26:58 PM
			

			

				I still can’t not fathom that the move for Diaby is sanctioned by the Saudi Investment Fund blocking us (as a rival to Newcastle) and therefore trying to monopolise the market. 

I just can’t not think that there’s some ulterior motive on this.

For what it’s worth, I think he’ll go to Saudi. Money, sadly, speaks. And the Saudi’s love throwing money at situations. 


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on July 20, 2023, 01:28:05 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Stu on July 20, 2023, 01:26:05 PM
If that Max Lee tweet is true then Diaby is off to Saudi.

Can you share - I do not have twitter. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 20, 2023, 01:29:49 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Stu on July 20, 2023, 01:26:05 PM
If that Max Lee tweet is true then Diaby is off to Saudi.

You can't blame him altogether for not dismissing it out of hand. If he still chooses to come to us he will have made the right decision in the end and i'd welcome him. If he does end up going there then fuck him, it'll just be about the money.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 20, 2023, 01:30:41 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: villadelph on July 20, 2023, 01:28:05 PM
Quote from: Stu on July 20, 2023, 01:26:05 PM
If that Max Lee tweet is true then Diaby is off to Saudi.

Can you share - I do not have twitter.

It’s just a few posts above, but here you go anyway:

Aston Villa have now reached an agreement in principle with Bayer Leverkusen over the transfer of Moussa Diaby. Total fee understood to be around €50 million. Personal terms have already been agreed. 🟣#AVFC 

Al-Nassr’s latest contract offer is a massive increase compared to the one offered by Aston Villa therefore Diaby will wait for Al-Nassr to agree a fee then make his decision. #Transfers
from Max Lee on Twitter
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Stu on July 20, 2023, 01:31:05 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: villadelph on July 20, 2023, 01:28:05 PM
Quote from: Stu on July 20, 2023, 01:26:05 PM
If that Max Lee tweet is true then Diaby is off to Saudi.

Can you share - I do not have twitter.

It was posted by VillaTim further up the chat mate. We’ve agreed a fee with Leverkuesen and personal terms agreed also. Saudi personal terms are absolutely huge apparently and player is waiting for them to agree a fee with Leverkuesen before making decision. If he wanted to be here he would be, basically.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 20, 2023, 01:32:06 PM
			

			

				Also, from what I can see, Max Lee is a nobody.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on July 20, 2023, 01:32:58 PM
			

			

				Seems like Leverkusen will accept both bids then let the player decide which could be why it's taking a while. Imagine we'll know by end of the day.

Fucking hope so anyway. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bad English on July 20, 2023, 01:33:31 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on July 20, 2023, 12:51:33 PM
Quote from: Bad English on July 20, 2023, 12:36:58 PM
Seeing the patronym Johnson popping up on here is irritating me more than it should. Can't he change his name?

Seeing the what, now?
Patronym (https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=What+is+a+patronym%3F) ;-)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Hookeysmith on July 20, 2023, 01:37:20 PM
			

			

				Maybe getting the players we want is far removed from just wanting them. We just don't know what goes on during the process and the amount of players we are linked with who we actually are after is purely guesswork. How strong were the links to donkey McGuire etc (had a few including me worried as they seemed to be getting stronger) yet with seemingly no truth in it at all.

Even when the likes of Romano stated we had P.Torres (seems to have gone very quiet on the Barcelona one) it still felt like an age between that tweet and him actually being announced.

Not sure we ever seriously considered Barnes - which is a shame

Danjuma - very strange that he was heavily linked pre Spurs loan and now not a sniff - not sure why we would not have taken a loan punt.

Surely UEFA must be watching this dodgy load of shit with SA with a worried look on their faces. If they sit around doing nothing these cnuts will simply just buy their way to the top table and manipulate the game, the Euro breakaway from within. If it is a "world league " created UEFA by definition would be impotent.

The only thing required for evil to prosper is for good men* to do nothing

*sickening to claim the corrupt fuckpigs that are UEFA as good men
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Stu on July 20, 2023, 01:38:02 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 20, 2023, 01:29:49 PM
Quote from: Stu on July 20, 2023, 01:26:05 PM
If that Max Lee tweet is true then Diaby is off to Saudi.

You can't blame him altogether for not dismissing it out of hand. If he still chooses to come to us he will have made the right decision in the end and i'd welcome him. If he does end up going there then fuck him, it'll just be about the money.

Can’t blame him if he takes the money either. If they’re offering something mental like, I dunno, £500k a week, it’s hard to turn down no matter what. What’s annoying is that Newcastle’s owners are disrupting us, a direct competitor.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on July 20, 2023, 01:41:27 PM
			

			

				"Diaby will wait for Al-Nassr to agree a fee then make his decision."

I don't know why we don't walk away from this.  He has the wage offers from both clubs but is waiting for Nassr to agree a fee?  If he wanted Villa he has everything he needs to know already.  If he's needs the money that much let him go to Saudi and look elsewhere. 


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 20, 2023, 01:45:11 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Stu on July 20, 2023, 01:38:02 PM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 20, 2023, 01:29:49 PM
Quote from: Stu on July 20, 2023, 01:26:05 PM
If that Max Lee tweet is true then Diaby is off to Saudi.

You can't blame him altogether for not dismissing it out of hand. If he still chooses to come to us he will have made the right decision in the end and i'd welcome him. If he does end up going there then fuck him, it'll just be about the money.

Can’t blame him if he takes the money either. If they’re offering something mental like, I dunno, £500k a week, it’s hard to turn down no matter what. What’s annoying is that Newcastle’s owners are disrupting us, a direct competitor.

If I were an international player of his age I’d be prioritising playing in the top euro leagues / competitions and becoming very rich over playing in some tin pot shite with a load of has beens and never will be’s whilst becoming extremely rich.
The point I was making really is that if he does come to us we shouldn’t hold it against him that he at least considered his options for a while.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on July 20, 2023, 01:49:14 PM
			

			

				By the way - extremely telling that the Saudi clubs are offering the moon to the players but stingeing noticeably on the transfer fees.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 20, 2023, 01:50:52 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bad English on July 20, 2023, 12:36:58 PM
Seeing the patronym Johnson popping up on here is irritating me more than it should. Can't he change his name?

Just as well Iceland didn't qualify for the Women's World Cup.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Lsvilla on July 20, 2023, 01:56:08 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Monty on July 20, 2023, 01:49:14 PM
By the way - extremely telling that the Saudi clubs are offering the moon to the players but stingeing noticeably on the transfer fees.
Yes very noticeable - why do you think that is ? Is it liquidity ?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on July 20, 2023, 01:56:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Hookeysmith on July 20, 2023, 01:37:20 PM
Maybe getting the players we want is far removed from just wanting them. We just don't know what goes on during the process and the amount of players we are linked with who we actually are after is purely guesswork. How strong were the links to donkey McGuire etc (had a few including me worried as they seemed to be getting stronger) yet with seemingly no truth in it at all.

Even when the likes of Romano stated we had P.Torres (seems to have gone very quiet on the Barcelona one) it still felt like an age between that tweet and him actually being announced.

Not sure we ever seriously considered Barnes - which is a shame

Danjuma - very strange that he was heavily linked pre Spurs loan and now not a sniff - not sure why we would not have taken a loan punt.

Surely UEFA must be watching this dodgy load of shit with SA with a worried look on their faces. If they sit around doing nothing these cnuts will simply just buy their way to the top table and manipulate the game, the Euro breakaway from within. If it is a "world league " created UEFA by definition would be impotent.

The only thing required for evil to prosper is for good men* to do nothing

*sickening to claim the corrupt fuckpigs that are UEFA as good men

The last time something happened that could affect EUFA financially with that "Super League" thing, they were very quick to come out & speak against it.

If it is going to affect them financially, then they will do something. 

If it wont, & at the same time they can personally benefit from large brown paper envelopes, they will do what they usually do with corruption.

Fuck all because they are all eating from the same table...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on July 20, 2023, 01:59:40 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Monty on July 20, 2023, 01:49:14 PM
By the way - extremely telling that the Saudi clubs are offering the moon to the players but stingeing noticeably on the transfer fees.
They've paid £30m for a 32 year old Mahrez
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on July 20, 2023, 02:00:25 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Lsvilla on July 20, 2023, 01:56:08 PM
Quote from: Monty on July 20, 2023, 01:49:14 PM
By the way - extremely telling that the Saudi clubs are offering the moon to the players but stingeing noticeably on the transfer fees.
Yes very noticeable - why do you think that is ? Is it liquidity ?

Clearly, I think. Limiting the amount of money their spending releases into the European game.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on July 20, 2023, 02:01:04 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on July 20, 2023, 01:59:40 PM
Quote from: Monty on July 20, 2023, 01:49:14 PM
By the way - extremely telling that the Saudi clubs are offering the moon to the players but stingeing noticeably on the transfer fees.
They've paid £30m for a 32 year old Mahrez

They could pay £60m for my gran and not even notice it in the accounts.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rigadon on July 20, 2023, 02:06:44 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on July 20, 2023, 01:41:27 PM
"Diaby will wait for Al-Nassr to agree a fee then make his decision."

I don't know why we don't walk away from this.  He has the wage offers from both clubs but is waiting for Nassr to agree a fee?  If he wanted Villa he has everything he needs to know already.  If he's needs the money that much let him go to Saudi and look elsewhere. 



We may already have done (walked away).  Or it may all be complete bollocks anyway.  Who knows.  But yes, if it’s true we should be walking away from this one.  

Seems there’s suspicion as to the Saudi clubs motives - do people really think this is about destabilising us?  It’s feasible but seems a bit far fetched.  Is it because this seems like the first case of a premier league team trying to buy a Saudi target, rather than selling ageing players to one of those clubs to ease FFP etc.  
 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on July 20, 2023, 02:08:55 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Monty on July 20, 2023, 02:00:25 PM
Quote from: Lsvilla on July 20, 2023, 01:56:08 PM
Quote from: Monty on July 20, 2023, 01:49:14 PM
By the way - extremely telling that the Saudi clubs are offering the moon to the players but stingeing noticeably on the transfer fees.
Yes very noticeable - why do you think that is ? Is it liquidity ?

Clearly, I think. Limiting the amount of money their spending releases into the European game.

Yep, I think that's exactly what it is, they don't want to fund other teams so all the money is at the players rather than the clubs. That's why the Diaby one feels so strange to me, him (regardless of what happens) and to an extent Neves feel like the 2 outliers.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villatillidie25 on July 20, 2023, 02:09:15 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rigadon on July 20, 2023, 02:06:44 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on July 20, 2023, 01:41:27 PM
"Diaby will wait for Al-Nassr to agree a fee then make his decision."

I don't know why we don't walk away from this.  He has the wage offers from both clubs but is waiting for Nassr to agree a fee?  If he wanted Villa he has everything he needs to know already.  If he's needs the money that much let him go to Saudi and look elsewhere. 



We may already have done (walked away).  Or it may all be complete bollocks anyway.  Who knows.  But yes, if it’s true we should be walking away from this one.  

Seems there’s suspicion as to the Saudi clubs motives - do people really think this is about destabilising us?  It’s feasible but seems a bit far fetched.  Is it because this seems like the first case of a premier league team trying to buy a Saudi target, rather than selling ageing players to one of those clubs to ease FFP etc.  
 

maybe but I assume Neves & maybe to a lesser degree Milinkovic-Savic had suitors other than SA
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on July 20, 2023, 02:35:43 PM
			

			

				Who is Max Lee? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 20, 2023, 02:37:46 PM
			

			

				It's a disappointing situation, Diaby, if true. As someone else said, he already knows what we're offering, so if he really wanted to be here it wouldn't matter what the Saudi club were offering. 

We can (and have) go back and forth all day on the moral or ethical implications of the situation, but purely looking at it from the perspective of an Aston Villa fan, it's frustrating to see. It's annoying, but understandable when we're knocked back for the PSGs or Madrids of the world, but to see a player putting us on hold to wait for a no name club in a no name league with a questionable future, well, even if he came here now it wouldn't exactly be a great start to the relationship. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 20, 2023, 02:39:35 PM
			

			

				It's such a weird way of going about things. If what they truly want is a proper, half decent league, then for the money they've spunked on a dozen players, they could get 200+ lower Premier League/Championship standard players, and have what would be probably better than any of the top 5/6 leagues in Europe in no time at all. You could then add a few higher profile players without having to pay the likes of the ageing and always injured Kante £500K a week.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: jwarry on July 20, 2023, 02:39:50 PM
			

			

				Thought we offered €50m?


(https://i.ibb.co/QQf7xQw/IMG-5656.jpg) (https://ibb.co/QQf7xQw)

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Chris_Jephcott on July 20, 2023, 02:42:52 PM
			

			

				From Fabrizio:

Al Nassr have submitted €43m bid plus add-ons for Moussa Diaby. 🟡🔵🇸🇦

Discussions going on over payment plan and final structure with Leverkusen.

Aston Villa remain in the race after new proposal, still hopeful on player side 🟣🔵 #AVFC

Crucial days ahead for Diaby’s future.
 
Fuck Saudi Arabia and fuck their corrupt regime, human rights abuse, throwing money at every conceivable situation.

I don’t believe the situation re corruption is at all contrived. It’s what that nation specialises at.

I really hope he chooses us over that corrupt, tick ridden cesspool but am cynical enough to know how much money talks.

Let’s see.



			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 20, 2023, 02:42:55 PM
			

			

				In other news....

West Brom want Hause, Spurs want Dougie, and Liverpool want Kamara, apparently. 

They can have Hause, but I can't see us losing any of the midfielders we have.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Matt C on July 20, 2023, 02:52:12 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 20, 2023, 02:35:43 PM
Who is Max Lee?

Another hobbit on Twitter making stuff up. 

Sky Germany are reporting a deal with us is close.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 20, 2023, 03:02:49 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Matt C on July 20, 2023, 02:52:12 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 20, 2023, 02:35:43 PM
Who is Max Lee?

Another hobbit on Twitter making stuff up. 

Sky Germany are reporting a deal with us is close.

He blocked me for calling him an obvious makey uppy twat.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on July 20, 2023, 03:05:48 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Hookeysmith on July 20, 2023, 01:37:20 PM
Maybe getting the players we want is far removed from just wanting them. We just don't know what goes on during the process and the amount of players we are linked with who we actually are after is purely guesswork. How strong were the links to donkey McGuire etc (had a few including me worried as they seemed to be getting stronger) yet with seemingly no truth in it at all.

Even when the likes of Romano stated we had P.Torres (seems to have gone very quiet on the Barcelona one) it still felt like an age between that tweet and him actually being announced.

Not sure we ever seriously considered Barnes - which is a shame

Danjuma - very strange that he was heavily linked pre Spurs loan and now not a sniff - not sure why we would not have taken a loan punt.

Surely UEFA must be watching this dodgy load of shit with SA with a worried look on their faces. If they sit around doing nothing these cnuts will simply just buy their way to the top table and manipulate the game, the Euro breakaway from within. If it is a "world league " created UEFA by definition would be impotent.

The only thing required for evil to prosper is for good men* to do nothing

*sickening to claim the corrupt fuckpigs that are UEFA as good men

Still think that UEFA and the various FAs could play hardball if they wanted to.  I suppose they could say that given the misgivings over Saudi, any player going there will not be eligible for international selection or to play in UEFA tournaments for a stated period of time.  Bit like how the cricketers who went on rebel tours to apartheid South Africa were treated.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Axl Rose on July 20, 2023, 03:05:57 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on July 20, 2023, 03:02:49 PM
Quote from: Matt C on July 20, 2023, 02:52:12 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 20, 2023, 02:35:43 PM
Who is Max Lee?

Another hobbit on Twitter making stuff up. 

Sky Germany are reporting a deal with us is close.

He blocked me for calling him an obvious makey uppy twat.

😂
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on July 20, 2023, 03:06:15 PM
			

			

				https://twitter.com/espenstrand/status/1682026978428461056?s=20

Florian Plettenberg
@Plettigoal
·
24m
❗️Excl. News Moussa #Diaby: An agreement with @AVFCOfficial is close to be done now! 

➡️ There’s an agreement in principle between both clubs now 
➡️ Transfer fee: Around €50m + add-ons! 

Al-Nassr is still pushing but Aston Villa will make the race ✅

@SkySportDE 🇫🇷
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on July 20, 2023, 03:08:23 PM
			

			

				What Newcastle Arabia are doing actually saves us a lot of faff. They’re weeding out all the players that won’t have the drive we need before they head in our direction. It can be hard to check for this kind of thing without this new phase in our recruitment process. 

If only they’d been about when we signed Collymore, Coutinho etc
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 20, 2023, 03:11:57 PM
			

			

				If Diaby wants to be playing for France regular he needs more of a competitive league to play in than the Saudi one , he needs to think about that , he isnt exactly Messi who could play in a Greenland league but still get his caps .   


I think we will get him.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on July 20, 2023, 03:12:06 PM
			

			

				Mane off to Al Nassr now 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 20, 2023, 03:13:28 PM
			

			

				Al Nassar's transfer ban obviously didn't last very long
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 20, 2023, 03:16:51 PM
			

			

				So anyway, is he actually any good ? :-)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on July 20, 2023, 03:21:29 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 20, 2023, 03:16:51 PM
So anyway, is he actually any good ? :-)

Yes, good crfosser, good finisher and lightening pace. The slight concern is that he's a bit small and might get bullied a bit.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RamboandBruno on July 20, 2023, 03:32:47 PM
			

			

				Twitter says yes, twitters says no….all feels a bit Grealish summer of 2021. Hopefully done one way or the other by today. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villatillidie25 on July 20, 2023, 03:34:25 PM
			

			

				wouldn't hold your breath. got another week before stretching a shirt i reckon
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Lescottstweets on July 20, 2023, 03:34:31 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Chris_Jephcott on July 20, 2023, 02:42:52 PM
From Fabrizio:

Al Nassr have submitted €43m bid plus add-ons for Moussa Diaby. 🟡🔵🇸🇦

Discussions going on over payment plan and final structure with Leverkusen.

Aston Villa remain in the race after new proposal, still hopeful on player side 🟣🔵 #AVFC

Crucial days ahead for Diaby’s future.
 
Fuck Saudi Arabia and fuck their corrupt regime, human rights abuse, throwing money at every conceivable situation.

I don’t believe the situation re corruption is at all contrived. It’s what that nation specialises at.

I really hope he chooses us over that corrupt, tick ridden cesspool but am cynical enough to know how much money talks.

Let’s see.

Al Nassr appear to have an interest in Sadio Mane now according to The Athletic whoever they are. Hoping means it will be an ‘instead of’ Diaby.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 20, 2023, 03:37:27 PM
			

			

				Let’s hope that’s true. Frees up Diaby and makes Kane to Bayern more likely so also a boost against one of our rivals.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on July 20, 2023, 03:39:51 PM
			

			

				Given what’s transpired I clearly jumped the gun on the Diaby thread. However with some of the more recent reports I hope that it turns out we do indeed sign him. It would be a brilliant addition. We need that pace in our side especially down the flanks. Combined with the signings of Tielemans and Pau it would be three outstanding quality additions. Exactly what we should be doing to improve what is already a very good group. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on July 20, 2023, 03:44:03 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 20, 2023, 03:16:51 PM
So anyway, is he actually any good ? :-)
very left footed from the clips i've seen 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 20, 2023, 03:48:35 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 20, 2023, 03:16:51 PM
So anyway, is he actually any good ? :-)

That all depends on whether he signs for us or not! ;)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: London Villan on July 20, 2023, 03:48:43 PM
			

			

				Just been given an ITK… Diaby done. Will be announced over the weekend/Monday.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 20, 2023, 03:53:50 PM
			

			

				https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1682034152085008390?s=20 

Romano says we're hopeful on the deal after the player gave us the green light last week. Don't think he's mentioned Diaby considering Saudi, only that Leverkusen were waiting for another offer from them. 


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on July 20, 2023, 03:54:55 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: London Villan on July 20, 2023, 03:48:43 PM
Just been given an ITK… Diaby done. Will be announced over the weekend/Monday.
How deeply ITK are they?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 20, 2023, 03:55:14 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: London Villan on July 20, 2023, 03:48:43 PM
Just been given an ITK… Diaby done. Will be announced over the weekend/Monday.

Great news, hope you're right! If so, your ITK repuatation will have been ruined on here by divulging something that actually happens.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: London Villan on July 20, 2023, 03:57:38 PM
			

			

				Decentish 😳 they got the first fixture right before the embargo. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 20, 2023, 04:03:07 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: London Villan on July 20, 2023, 03:57:38 PM
Decentish 😳 they got the first fixture right before the embargo. 

Is it Eddie Howe?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: not3bad on July 20, 2023, 04:09:57 PM
			

			

				According to German press agreement reached in principal for Diaby signing. €50 million plus add ons.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on July 20, 2023, 04:10:38 PM
			

			

				the hope that the Saudi side now targeting Mane is a good sign for us
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on July 20, 2023, 04:11:24 PM
			

			

				If thats the case i imagine we will be looking to ship out Traore and Bailey 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on July 20, 2023, 04:11:36 PM
			

			

				Jesus Christ, Al Ahli are offering Marco Silva a £40 million two-year deal to become their manager.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 20, 2023, 04:12:11 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: not3bad on July 20, 2023, 04:09:57 PM
According to German press agreement reached in principal for Diaby signing. €50 million plus add ons.

May have come from here (which is also positive news). https://twitter.com/Plettigoal/status/1682023041893801986
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 20, 2023, 04:12:45 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: VillaTim on July 20, 2023, 04:11:24 PM
If thats the case i imagine we will be looking to ship out Traore and Bailey 

That'll be Bertie gone then.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 20, 2023, 04:12:46 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on July 20, 2023, 04:11:36 PM
Jesus Christ, Al Ahli are offering Marco Silva a £40 million two-year deal to become their manager.

I can't see him going. He's famous for his loyalty.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on July 20, 2023, 04:12:52 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: VillaTim on July 20, 2023, 04:11:24 PM
If thats the case i imagine we will be looking to ship out Traore and Bailey 
I think we'll keep Bailey, unless Saudi offer £40m or so that is.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on July 20, 2023, 04:16:14 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on July 20, 2023, 04:12:52 PM
Quote from: VillaTim on July 20, 2023, 04:11:24 PM
If thats the case i imagine we will be looking to ship out Traore and Bailey 
I think we'll keep Bailey, unless Saudi offer £40m or so that is.
That would be a result 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 20, 2023, 04:18:10 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 20, 2023, 04:12:46 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on July 20, 2023, 04:11:36 PM
Jesus Christ, Al Ahli are offering Marco Silva a £40 million two-year deal to become their manager.

I can't see him going. He's famous for his loyalty.




a cartoon swoosh silhouette has just  been seen leaving the Thames in West London  

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on July 20, 2023, 04:28:19 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on July 20, 2023, 02:39:35 PM
It's such a weird way of going about things. If what they truly want is a proper, half decent league, then for the money they've spunked on a dozen players, they could get 200+ lower Premier League/Championship standard players, and have what would be probably better than any of the top 5/6 leagues in Europe in no time at all. You could then add a few higher profile players without having to pay the likes of the ageing and always injured Kante £500K a week.

Exactly. Even if they buy 30 high profile players, & ignoring the fact that half of them are over the age of 33, they will still only have 30 half decent players in the league versus 500 shit ones...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on July 20, 2023, 04:32:00 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pablo_picasso on July 20, 2023, 04:28:19 PM
Quote from: Risso on July 20, 2023, 02:39:35 PM
It's such a weird way of going about things. If what they truly want is a proper, half decent league, then for the money they've spunked on a dozen players, they could get 200+ lower Premier League/Championship standard players, and have what would be probably better than any of the top 5/6 leagues in Europe in no time at all. You could then add a few higher profile players without having to pay the likes of the ageing and always injured Kante £500K a week.

Exactly. Even if they buy 30 high profile players, & ignoring the fact that half of them are over the age of 33, they will still only have 30 half decent players in the league versus 500 shit ones...

Well, we're talking about a guy who's idea of urban planning is a 170km-long line called 'The Line'.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 20, 2023, 04:35:54 PM
			

			

				And I understand why they're trying to get the likes of Diaby, ie players in their prime. But why on earth offer someone like Kante so much money (actually £2m a week, not £500K as I said before). That's 10 imes what anybody else would have offered him, even on a free transfer. What are they achieving by paying such a ridiculous amount for a player, who as good as he used to be, is always injured and miles past his best?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on July 20, 2023, 04:37:16 PM
			

			

				It's sportswashing and it's working. Every other football article at the moment is about Saudi. 
Sad state of affairs this 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on July 20, 2023, 04:39:04 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on July 20, 2023, 04:35:54 PM
And I understand why they're trying to get the likes of Diaby, ie players in their prime. But why on earth offer someone like Kante so much money (actually £2m a week, not £500K as I said before). That's 10 imes what anybody else would have offered him, even on a free transfer. What are they achieving by paying such a ridiculous amount for a player, who as good as he used to be, is always injured and miles past his best?

I was thinking this earlier, it's not like a normal commercial decision where you calculate what a tempting increase would be. They seem to take some perverted delight in making it obscene for no reason, other than that they can.

Though I guess the agents are also key to selling the idea to the clients, and it makes their cut stupidly large, so maybe that's it.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 20, 2023, 04:42:48 PM
			

			

				If we do get him I am a little bit annoyed we have been pushed to near enough £50m for a potential Bailey mark II when we could have had Barnes for £10m less.  All because the fcukin Arabs are distorting the market.  Something very fishy going on.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: lovejoy on July 20, 2023, 04:43:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: London Villan on July 20, 2023, 03:48:43 PM
Just been given an ITK… Diaby done. Will be announced over the weekend/Monday.

It's Drummond.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on July 20, 2023, 04:44:44 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on July 20, 2023, 04:35:54 PM
And I understand why they're trying to get the likes of Diaby, ie players in their prime. But why on earth offer someone like Kante so much money (actually £2m a week, not £500K as I said before). That's 10 imes what anybody else would have offered him, even on a free transfer. What are they achieving by paying such a ridiculous amount for a player, who as good as he used to be, is always injured and miles past his best?

I don't. 

You could take Wayne Routledge, now, & he would be one of the better players in the Saudi league. 

Diaby, now, is like taking a grown man in his prime & facing him off against a team of 4 year olds with Allan Saint-Maximam thrown in for good measure (along with Newcastle Uniteds FFP figures).

Its ridiculous overkill...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on July 20, 2023, 04:44:57 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on July 20, 2023, 04:42:48 PM
If we do get him I am a little bit annoyed we have been pushed to near enough £50m for a potential Bailey mark II when we could have had Barnes for £10m less.  All because the fcukin Arabs are distorting the market.  Something very fishy going on.

In a list of 'things I really couldn't give a shit about', this would be right up there with Dan Wootton's feelings.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 20, 2023, 04:47:15 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: lovejoy on July 20, 2023, 04:43:18 PM
Quote from: London Villan on July 20, 2023, 03:48:43 PM
Just been given an ITK… Diaby done. Will be announced over the weekend/Monday.

It's Drummond.

I get that you're annoyed about Drummond falling for a bit of fake transfer news, but I think you've made your point by now, no?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on July 20, 2023, 04:48:13 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on July 20, 2023, 04:42:48 PM
If we do get him I am a little bit annoyed we have been pushed to near enough £50m for a potential Bailey mark II when we could have had Barnes for £10m less.  All because the fcukin Arabs are distorting the market.  Something very fishy going on.
Good summary that , from the bits of seen he's just a shorter version of Bailey . 
Barnes would have been a smarter move in my humble opinion. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 20, 2023, 04:51:36 PM
			

			

				It's not reall transfer news unless Fabrizio Drummondo announces it.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 20, 2023, 04:55:50 PM
			

			

				What might be right for him, may not be right for some.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ian. on July 20, 2023, 05:21:45 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on July 20, 2023, 04:42:48 PM
If we do get him I am a little bit annoyed we have been pushed to near enough £50m for a potential Bailey mark II when we could have had Barnes for £10m less.  All because the fcukin Arabs are distorting the market.  Something very fishy going on.

I get the feeling Emery was not interested in Barnes and with his track record since joining I'd back our boss with whatever he wants to do.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 20, 2023, 05:26:54 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: VillaTim on July 20, 2023, 04:37:16 PM
It's sportswashing and it's working. Every other football article at the moment is about Saudi. 
Sad state of affairs this 

I think Risso's point is why pay him £2m a week when he'd probably have gone for £300k a week. If anything, paying players such blatantly stupid amounts undermines the credibility of the league rather than adds to it. But then there are people who pay 1500 quid for a steak covered in gold leaf.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: DB on July 20, 2023, 05:30:46 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on July 20, 2023, 05:26:54 PM
Quote from: VillaTim on July 20, 2023, 04:37:16 PM
It's sportswashing and it's working. Every other football article at the moment is about Saudi. 
Sad state of affairs this 

I think Risso's point is why pay him £2m a week when he'd probably have gone for £300k a week. If anything, paying players such blatantly stupid amounts undermines the credibility of the league rather than adds to it. But then there are people who pay 1500 quid for a steak covered in gold leaf.

Is that with or without pepper sauce?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 20, 2023, 05:40:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on July 20, 2023, 04:42:48 PM
If we do get him I am a little bit annoyed we have been pushed to near enough £50m for a potential Bailey mark II when we could have had Barnes for £10m less.  All because the fcukin Arabs are distorting the market.  Something very fishy going on.

The latest I read was regarding payment conditions to Bayern who would like a lump sum today rather than the normal staggered payments. No prizes for guessing who may have offered them the total fee in one day..
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: jwarry on July 20, 2023, 05:42:30 PM
			

			

				Big, big confidence on Villa side to get Moussa Diaby deal done. 🟣🔵 #AVFC
Romano
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on July 20, 2023, 05:43:25 PM
			

			

				'Mon Fabrizio. And come on Moussa, do the right thing.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 20, 2023, 05:43:42 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: jwarry on July 20, 2023, 05:42:30 PM
Big, big confidence on Villa side to get Moussa Diaby deal done. 🟣🔵 #AVFC
Romano

Good news, looks real to me. https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1682067930010337290 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: jwarry on July 20, 2023, 05:52:01 PM
			

			

				There’s a certain irony that Al Nassr’s coach use to play for a team we now own (sorry part own given we had to give up a stake to lease the UEFA twats.  You really couldn’t make any of this up!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Chris_Jephcott on July 20, 2023, 05:52:54 PM
			

			

				Increasingly looking like he’s chosen us. All hail Emery and Monchi.

https://twitter.com/lemechenoua/status/1682067446662848517?s=46&t=COnn3VFV1XTkFYcltNInTA

INFO - Entre Al-Nassr et l’Angleterre, Moussa Diaby a tranché ! L’international français va s’engager pour les 5 prochaines années avec Aston Villa. #Mercato
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: jwarry on July 20, 2023, 05:55:24 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Chris_Jephcott on July 20, 2023, 05:52:54 PM
Increasingly looking like he’s chosen us. All hail Emery and Monchi.

Yep if true this is Monchi at his best
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on July 20, 2023, 06:01:53 PM
			

			

				Fingers crossed. What a fucking boost this will be for us if he has indeed chosen us.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 20, 2023, 06:04:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 20, 2023, 06:01:53 PM
Fingers crossed. What a fucking boost this will be for us if he has indeed chosen us.

Tielemans, Torres and Diaby is very much the definition of quality over quantity. 

Even if we stopped there, I'd consider that a decent window. Keeper notwithstanding, obviously. Add another forward and right-back too and it's probably up there with our best ever. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on July 20, 2023, 06:17:51 PM
			

			

				Is Diaby really quality? I say this because prior to our interest in him no one was talking about him either on here or elsewhere in the media. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on July 20, 2023, 06:20:00 PM
			

			

				It’s a yes!

https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1682076738690465810?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet (https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1682076738690465810?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on July 20, 2023, 06:21:54 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: olaftab on July 20, 2023, 06:17:51 PM
Is Diaby really quality? I say this because prior to our interest in him no one was talking about him either on here or elsewhere in the media.

Hopefully we’ll find out…but if our coach sees something to improve our team I’d back him.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 20, 2023, 06:22:20 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: olaftab on July 20, 2023, 06:17:51 PM
Is Diaby really quality? I say this because prior to our interest in him no one was talking about him either on here or elsewhere in the media. 

Yes they were. There have been reports linking him to all of Man Utd, Arsenal, Barcelona, Real Madrid, PSG and many others in the last six months or so.

Most reports are obviously nonsense. But the nonsense reports were suggesting he'd be signing for a club higher up the food chain than us.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on July 20, 2023, 06:22:30 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: olaftab on July 20, 2023, 06:17:51 PM
Is Diaby really quality? I say this because prior to our interest in him no one was talking about him either on here or elsewhere in the media. 

Averages a goal or assist every other game over his career so generally good stats. considering where he's played.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 20, 2023, 06:25:28 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on July 20, 2023, 06:04:18 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 20, 2023, 06:01:53 PM
Fingers crossed. What a fucking boost this will be for us if he has indeed chosen us.

Tielemans, Torres and Diaby is very much the definition of quality over quantity. 

Even if we stopped there, I'd consider that a decent window. Keeper notwithstanding, obviously. Add another forward and right-back too and it's probably up there with our best ever.

Yeah a decent back up keeper is a must, right back and another forward should be secured as well really but things looking good.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Jimsta on July 20, 2023, 06:25:59 PM
			

			

				It's getting closer,
Diaby says yes.
https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1682077634748923904
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on July 20, 2023, 06:33:29 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: lovejoy on July 20, 2023, 04:43:18 PM
Quote from: London Villan on July 20, 2023, 03:48:43 PM
Just been given an ITK… Diaby done. Will be announced over the weekend/Monday.

It's Drummond.

Told you. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: lovejoy on July 20, 2023, 06:35:58 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Chris_Jephcott on July 20, 2023, 05:52:54 PM
Increasingly looking like he’s chosen us. All hail Emery and Monchi.

https://twitter.com/lemechenoua/status/1682067446662848517?s=46&t=COnn3VFV1XTkFYcltNInTA

INFO - Entre Al-Nassr et l’Angleterre, Moussa Diaby a tranché ! L’international français va s’engager pour les 5 prochaines années avec Aston Villa. #Mercato

He's eaten 5 slices of cake with some singers on his birthday?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: lovejoy on July 20, 2023, 06:37:50 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on July 20, 2023, 06:33:29 PM
Quote from: lovejoy on July 20, 2023, 04:43:18 PM
Quote from: London Villan on July 20, 2023, 03:48:43 PM
Just been given an ITK… Diaby done. Will be announced over the weekend/Monday.

It's Drummond.

Told you. 

fair play you called it early 

chapeau
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SamTheMouse on July 20, 2023, 06:38:46 PM
			

			

				Well that's good news, provided he's not just a Bailey clone. It seems the step up from the Bundesliga to the Premier League is a tricky one, so let's hope he's better than the last one to take it with us.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on July 20, 2023, 06:46:23 PM
			

			

				i guess we will have flight radar tweets shortly 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on July 20, 2023, 06:53:49 PM
			

			

				So we’ve signed a current Spanish international, a current Belgian international and now almost, a current French international. We needed to add quality over quantity. With only 3 and a bit weeks into the window being open we’ve done precisely that. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: jwarry on July 20, 2023, 07:20:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 20, 2023, 06:53:49 PM
So we’ve signed a current Spanish international, a current Belgian international and now almost, a current French international. We needed to add quality over quantity. With only 3 and a bit weeks into the window being open we’ve done precisely that. 

Yep and I bet we are not finished yet
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on July 20, 2023, 07:27:51 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: jwarry on July 20, 2023, 07:20:18 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 20, 2023, 06:53:49 PM
So we’ve signed a current Spanish international, a current Belgian international and now almost, a current French international. We needed to add quality over quantity. With only 3 and a bit weeks into the window being open we’ve done precisely that. 

Yep and I bet we are not finished yet

Won’t surprise me to see us break our transfer record one more time this summer. Probably on a forward. We need three excellent options up front. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 20, 2023, 07:36:40 PM
			

			

				I just can’t see that unless we shift Bert and Bailey who’ve both played CF at a high level.

I think Archer is the first reserve now and starter for cup matches.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bad English on July 20, 2023, 07:41:12 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: DB on July 20, 2023, 05:30:46 PM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on July 20, 2023, 05:26:54 PM
Quote from: VillaTim on July 20, 2023, 04:37:16 PM
It's sportswashing and it's working. Every other football article at the moment is about Saudi. 
Sad state of affairs this 

I think Risso's point is why pay him £2m a week when he'd probably have gone for £300k a week. If anything, paying players such blatantly stupid amounts undermines the credibility of the league rather than adds to it. But then there are people who pay 1500 quid for a steak covered in gold leaf.

Is that with or without pepper sauce?
Not sure but you do get 22 carrots.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on July 20, 2023, 07:43:49 PM
			

			

				So my math isn't great, but have we just paid £30m for Torres, £0 for Tielemans & about to pay £43m for Diaby?

Again, math not good, but is that £73m for 3 top quality international marquee players?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bad English on July 20, 2023, 07:48:55 PM
			

			

				MathS. I can't take it any more. Why? ;-)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on July 20, 2023, 07:53:36 PM
			

			

				Is it bad news that the Diaby thread has disappeared?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dave.woodhall on July 20, 2023, 07:54:32 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 20, 2023, 07:53:36 PM
Is it bad news that the Diaby thread has disappeared?

No gun-jumping allowed.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 20, 2023, 07:54:47 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bad English on July 20, 2023, 07:48:55 PM
MathS. I can't take it any more. Why? ;-)

In the online gambling industry, where I've prayed on the weakest of society made a gainful living for almost 20 years, games are driving by their maths profile. So, mathematics is an incredibly important thing.

But everyone, and i mean EVERYONE says "math" not "maths". It seems to be an industry norm.

You'd fucking hate it.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 20, 2023, 07:55:05 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bad English on July 20, 2023, 07:48:55 PM
MathS. I can't take it any more. Why? ;-)

It all started with "Aston Villa is"... :(
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 20, 2023, 07:59:12 PM
			

			

				Wheres the Diaby thread?
What's the criteria?
I mean I had a Monchi thread up before official and that was cruelly taken away yet it was the case
Now Diaby discussion has gone?! 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 20, 2023, 08:00:12 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 20, 2023, 07:54:32 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 20, 2023, 07:53:36 PM
Is it bad news that the Diaby thread has disappeared?

No gun-jumping allowed.

Ahh I see. Fair enough. Official announcements only . OK I get that once the club confirm it.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 20, 2023, 08:01:32 PM
			

			

				And it's back!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 20, 2023, 08:02:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 20, 2023, 07:36:40 PM
I just can’t see that unless we shift Bert and Bailey who’ve both played CF at a high level.

I think Archer is the first reserve now and starter for cup matches.

My concern is Watkins is still feast or famine. I worry that he can't further improve to the level we now require. Then there's how he can adapt from being a dangerous striker when we counter attack to how I expect us to develop, where we sit in the opposition half and teams park the bus. Technically I'm not convinced his control is good enough, maybe it's something Emery and his team can work on but it's a big ask. It's going to be a very big season for him.

Archer has all the credentials to hit the ground running but it's still an unknown. I really hope he can do it, I can't wait to see him try but again it's a massive ask especially if we were to lose Watkins for any period of time. Obviously the rest of the team have a responsibility to chip in with the goals but right now I'd be far happier with us spending big on a top striker.

Maybe we'll have to wait until January as you rightly point out, we've already spent a lot and we need to bring in some decent money from sales if we're to keep improving the team.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 20, 2023, 08:04:13 PM
			

			

				We absolutely need another striker - no doubt about that.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on July 20, 2023, 08:08:35 PM
			

			

				We're not done yet lads, calm down 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on July 20, 2023, 08:10:30 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on July 20, 2023, 06:22:20 PM
Quote from: olaftab on July 20, 2023, 06:17:51 PM
Is Diaby really quality? I say this because prior to our interest in him no one was talking about him either on here or elsewhere in the media. 

Yes they were. There have been reports linking him to all of Man Utd, Arsenal, Barcelona, Real Madrid, PSG and many others in the last six months or so.

Most reports are obviously nonsense. But the nonsense reports were suggesting he'd be signing for a club higher up the food chain than us.
Quote from: paul_e on July 20, 2023, 06:22:30 PM
Quote from: olaftab on July 20, 2023, 06:17:51 PM
Is Diaby really quality? I say this because prior to our interest in him no one was talking about him either on here or elsewhere in the media. 

Averages a goal or assist every other game over his career so generally good stats. considering where he's played.
Thanks both. Let's hope he doesn't require the usual full season to get up to speed like most players coming to PL from abroad do. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 20, 2023, 08:11:10 PM
			

			

				There's no new links to get excited about but then again I don't think Diaby emerged until after Torres officially signed, so plenty of time for more excitement. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 20, 2023, 08:30:22 PM
			

			

				Chukwueze is going to Milan from Villareal.
Interesting this is happening same time as Diaby news to Villa

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 20, 2023, 08:31:53 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 20, 2023, 08:11:10 PM
There's no new links to get excited about but then again I don't think Diaby emerged until after Torres officially signed, so plenty of time for more excitement.
When I read that I thought meant Ferran! I jumped off my recliner! They sat back down. Though Pau Torres is a great move.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on July 20, 2023, 08:50:13 PM
			

			

				Torres, Tielemans and Diaby for ~65m is great business in this day and age. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RamboandBruno on July 20, 2023, 08:51:35 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on July 20, 2023, 08:02:17 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 20, 2023, 07:36:40 PM
I just can’t see that unless we shift Bert and Bailey who’ve both played CF at a high level.

I think Archer is the first reserve now and starter for cup matches.
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My concern is Watkins is still feast or famine. I worry that he can't further improve to the level we now require. Then there's how he can adapt from being a dangerous striker when we counter attack to how I expect us to develop, where we sit in the opposition half and teams park the bus. Technically I'm not convinced his control is good enough, maybe it's something Emery and his team can work on but it's a big ask. It's going to be a very big season for him.

Archer has all the credentials to hit the ground running but it's still an unknown. I really hope he can do it, I can't wait to see him try but again it's a massive ask especially if we were to lose Watkins for any period of time. Obviously the rest of the team have a responsibility to chip in with the goals but right now I'd be far happier with us spending big on a top striker.

Maybe we'll have to wait until January as you rightly point out, we've already spent a lot and we need to bring in some decent money from sales if we're to keep improving the team.

I totally get that Ollie has his flaws, but I think Haaland, Kane, Salah, Rushford are better albeit with different skill sets, then for me it's Watkins and Toney. 

I think we need more support amd competition for him but I think replacing Watkins would not be as easy as all that. I think we probably have more of a gold nugget that we realise.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 20, 2023, 08:52:10 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: villadelph on July 20, 2023, 08:50:13 PM
Torres, Tielemans and Diaby for ~65m is great business in this day and age.
Torres! Heart skips a beat! As being fooled into Ferran
Then again realise people are referring to Pau! 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 20, 2023, 08:52:44 PM
			

			

				What on earth are you talking about?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on July 20, 2023, 08:58:39 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on July 20, 2023, 08:52:44 PM
What on earth are you talking about?

it's like projectile vomit. Just when you think it's stopped there's two more gallons
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on July 20, 2023, 08:59:28 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: olaftab on July 20, 2023, 08:10:30 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 20, 2023, 06:22:20 PM
Quote from: olaftab on July 20, 2023, 06:17:51 PM
Is Diaby really quality? I say this because prior to our interest in him no one was talking about him either on here or elsewhere in the media. 

Yes they were. There have been reports linking him to all of Man Utd, Arsenal, Barcelona, Real Madrid, PSG and many others in the last six months or so.

Most reports are obviously nonsense. But the nonsense reports were suggesting he'd be signing for a club higher up the food chain than us.
Quote from: paul_e on July 20, 2023, 06:22:30 PM
Quote from: olaftab on July 20, 2023, 06:17:51 PM
Is Diaby really quality? I say this because prior to our interest in him no one was talking about him either on here or elsewhere in the media. 

Averages a goal or assist every other game over his career so generally good stats. considering where he's played.
Thanks both. Let's hope he doesn't require the usual full season to get up to speed like most players coming to PL from abroad do.

That haaland lad looked ok last year, kamara was pretty quickly into it and moreno hasn't taken long either 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: lovejoy on July 20, 2023, 09:37:59 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 20, 2023, 07:54:32 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 20, 2023, 07:53:36 PM
Is it bad news that the Diaby thread has disappeared?

No gun-jumping allowed.

Was it Drummond again?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on July 20, 2023, 10:00:59 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 20, 2023, 08:31:53 PM
Quote from: AV84 on July 20, 2023, 08:11:10 PM
There's no new links to get excited about but then again I don't think Diaby emerged until after Torres officially signed, so plenty of time for more excitement.
When I read that I thought meant Ferran! I jumped off my recliner! They sat back down. Though Pau Torres is a great move.

Wish I had a recliner.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: charlatan on July 20, 2023, 10:02:56 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 20, 2023, 07:54:47 PM
Quote from: Bad English on July 20, 2023, 07:48:55 PM
MathS. I can't take it any more. Why? ;-)

In the online gambling industry, where I've prayed on the weakest of society made a gainful living for almost 20 years, games are driving by their maths profile. So, mathematics is an incredibly important thing.

But everyone, and i mean EVERYONE says "math" not "maths". It seems to be an industry norm.

You'd fucking hate it.

There was a Matthew (I assume) on our maths degree course. Called himself Math. Knocked me out of the uni pool competition (hopeless underperformance on my part). Was no doubt much better than me at maths. Anyway the maths I used to depend on to make a living from online betting was very straightforward, but I'd never have described it as math.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 20, 2023, 10:10:12 PM
			

			

				I’m talking of the people making the content, not the punters.  

I still don’t like it. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on July 20, 2023, 10:33:17 PM
			

			

				Who's next then... Can we please have a competent backup keeper and decent competition for Cash?? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on July 20, 2023, 10:34:43 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 20, 2023, 08:58:39 PM
Quote from: Risso on July 20, 2023, 08:52:44 PM
What on earth are you talking about?

it's like projectile vomit. Just when you think it's stopped there's two more gallons

Hahaha, v good. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on July 20, 2023, 10:42:58 PM
			

			

				About the RB signing situation - i think it's probably a tricky one as from the start Emery has said he's not signing players unless they improve the squad. Despite some limitations Cash has been really good in patches and there was talk not long ago of big clubs looking at him.
So we're not going to sign cover, and it's a specialist position and I guess I'm thinking that there's a chance we won't find that player in this window necessarily.

Wouldn't be surprised if we saw another attacker in next 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on July 20, 2023, 10:55:29 PM
			

			

				I see the argument, if we had not let Young go. A utility player that can competently cover a position we only have one specialist kind of sees you through. If you want to finish top 6/7 again and go deep in a cup and deep in the conference league, relying on an injury prone right back to play 60 plus games is a recipe for disaster. If we don't buy one, we will be doing so in January. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on July 20, 2023, 10:58:22 PM
			

			

				I wonder if we will follow up on interest in Johnson at Forest, although Steve Cooper said he's injured?  We need another striker. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on July 20, 2023, 11:02:17 PM
			

			

				I think if the money is there Johnson would be a very good buy now. He can play across the front line, second striker and has decent skill, plus a year in the prem. Get him for 35/40 million I'd be happy. Reminds me of Ashley Young mark 1 when we bought him. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on July 20, 2023, 11:07:07 PM
			

			

				I'm not advocating we don't buy one asap, and am inclined to agree about keeping young. Wonder if young wanted guarantees about playing time next season. Perhaps we do have a target or two lined up which is why we let him leave.

I think now we've settled on a strategy, and it's not without risk - the striker situation from January onwards is the other case in point. But we have a manager who is a problem solving genius it seems, so have to trust him to make it work until he gets what he wants 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on July 20, 2023, 11:12:04 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ozzjim on July 20, 2023, 11:02:17 PM
I think if the money is there Johnson would be a very good buy now. He can play across the front line, second striker and has decent skill, plus a year in the prem. Get him for 35/40 million I'd be happy. Reminds me of Ashley Young mark 1 when we bought him. 

Funny you mention Ashley Jim, because I see some similarities between him and Diaby too. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on July 20, 2023, 11:20:13 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ozzjim on July 20, 2023, 10:55:29 PM
I see the argument, if we had not let Young go. A utility player that can competently cover a position we only have one specialist kind of sees you through. If you want to finish top 6/7 again and go deep in a cup and deep in the conference league, relying on an injury prone right back to play 60 plus games is a recipe for disaster. If we don't buy one, we will be doing so in January.
Agree. Young was great last year but we were overplaying him if you look at it ruthlessly and the odd error cost us. Brentford A springs to mind. Fine margins now if we want top 4 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on July 20, 2023, 11:29:42 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ozzjim on July 20, 2023, 10:33:17 PM
Who's next then... Can we please have a competent backup keeper and decent competition for Cash?? 

I think we will get a Moreno version at RB and Cash ends up being a solid back up. The GK worries me the most. The minute Olsen is gone we can all relax. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 20, 2023, 11:29:45 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: coreyfeldman on July 20, 2023, 11:07:07 PM
Wonder if young wanted guarantees about playing time next season. 

Cristiano Ronaldo aside, I bet there is no 38 year old footballer on the planet who is bothered about guarantees on the amount of playing time they get.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RamboandBruno on July 20, 2023, 11:32:42 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ozzjim on July 20, 2023, 10:55:29 PM
I see the argument, if we had not let Young go. A utility player that can competently cover a position we only have one specialist kind of sees you through. If you want to finish top 6/7 again and go deep in a cup and deep in the conference league, relying on an injury prone right back to play 60 plus games is a recipe for disaster. If we don't buy one, we will be doing so in January.

Cash had a few injuries last season, the season before he played every minute of every game, hardly injury prone. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on July 21, 2023, 12:35:11 AM
			

			

				Matteo Retegui, Argentina/Italian 24yr old Boca Juniors player being linked...

Jeremy Doku still linked even though we're getting Diaby..

Still no keeper mentioned though. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: charlatan on July 21, 2023, 12:52:22 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 20, 2023, 10:10:12 PM
I’m talking of the people making the content, not the punters.  

I still don’t like it. 

The content as in providing the platform or setting the odds? Punters do the latter on exchanges.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on July 21, 2023, 12:57:06 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on July 21, 2023, 12:35:11 AM
Matteo Retegui, Argentina/Italian 24yr old Boca Juniors player being linked...

Jeremy Doku still linked even though we're getting Diaby..

Still no keeper mentioned though. 

Olsen can be upgraded by a shopping cart or a road sign so I think getting a competent keeper won’t be too hard late on in the window 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: charlatan on July 21, 2023, 12:57:52 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on July 20, 2023, 11:29:45 PM
Quote from: coreyfeldman on July 20, 2023, 11:07:07 PM
Wonder if young wanted guarantees about playing time next season. 

Cristiano Ronaldo aside, I bet there is no 38 year old footballer on the planet who is bothered about guarantees on the amount of playing time they get.

There must be plenty on pay as you play deals.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on July 21, 2023, 01:45:00 AM
			

			

				James Milner will want guaranteed game time at 50. He wants to outlast Julian Joachim.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rodders on July 21, 2023, 03:47:46 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on July 21, 2023, 01:45:00 AM
James Milner will want guaranteed game time at 50. He wants to outlast Julian Joachim.

Dr Gonzo of this parish and I went to see the Villa Old Stars play Stiperstones & Snailbeach FC a few years ago. Joach was playing - as fast as ever, despite cadging a fag off me at half time outside the changing room. I reckon he could beat me over fifty yards if I was in a car - he'd be breasting the tape as I was still patting my pockets looking for the keys.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 21, 2023, 06:56:54 AM
			

			

				Olsen must want first team football as a Swedish international irrespective of his attributes he can be happy as back up 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on July 21, 2023, 07:00:05 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: RamboandBruno on July 20, 2023, 11:32:42 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on July 20, 2023, 10:55:29 PM
I see the argument, if we had not let Young go. A utility player that can competently cover a position we only have one specialist kind of sees you through. If you want to finish top 6/7 again and go deep in a cup and deep in the conference league, relying on an injury prone right back to play 60 plus games is a recipe for disaster. If we don't buy one, we will be doing so in January.

Cash had a few injuries last season, the season before he played every minute of every game, hardly injury prone. 

Missed 10 last season, 12 in his first season, in the league. With Conf league on top, reliance on Cash as our only specialist right back is not going to end well. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on July 21, 2023, 07:30:22 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on July 21, 2023, 06:56:54 AM
Olsen must want first team football as a Swedish international irrespective of his attributes he can be happy as back up

Wherever it is the have my sympathies.

How bad are Swedish keepers that he is still their number one 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dicedlam on July 21, 2023, 07:40:55 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 20, 2023, 10:10:12 PM
I’m talking of the people making the content, not the punters.  

I still don’t like it. 

Me neither.

I always thought it was only used in America, but I have to agree, most people that I have come across in the online gaming industry (including Brits) use the term 'Math'.


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: sid1964 on July 21, 2023, 08:08:11 AM
			

			

				I would be surprised if we signed anyone else until a few have left.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on July 21, 2023, 08:15:21 AM
			

			

				HAHAHAHA..........
Tottenham have identified Aston Villa's Brazil midfielder Douglas Luiz, 25, and Chelsea's England midfielder Conor Gallagher, 23, as potential replacements for Denmark's Pierre-Emile Hojbjerg, 27, who is in talks to join Atletico Madrid. (Mail)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: lovejoy on July 21, 2023, 08:18:05 AM
			

			

				I guess I'm resigned to waiting to see Diaby stretch the shirt for my friday.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on July 21, 2023, 08:29:22 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: lovejoy on July 21, 2023, 08:18:05 AM
I guess I'm resigned to waiting to see Diaby stretch the shirt for my friday.

What's the latest intel? Has he had a break? Is he on holiday? Honeymoon? Photoshoot for the Littlewoods catalogue?

Or is he footloose and fancy free to come over or join our boys in the US?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 21, 2023, 08:37:26 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 21, 2023, 08:29:22 AM
What's the latest intel? Has he had a break? Is he on holiday? Honeymoon? Photoshoot for the Littlewoods catalogue?

Or is he footloose and fancy free to come over or join our boys in the US?

He was back in training with Leverkusen last week, so no excuses, he should be on the first Ryanair flight this morning, shirt stretched by lunch time. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 21, 2023, 08:38:05 AM
			

			

				Think I'd be happy with Cammy as our backup striker, but realise I'm probably in the minority 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 21, 2023, 08:39:42 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 21, 2023, 08:38:05 AM
Think I'd be happy with Cammy as our backup striker, but realise I'm probably in the minority

I think most would be fine with him as back up if you could guarantee Watkins was 100% fit for every match. I think it's the idea that we could very suddenly find ourselves in a position where he's our main striker that bothers people.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Scott Nielsen on July 21, 2023, 08:41:25 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Gareth on July 21, 2023, 07:30:22 AM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on July 21, 2023, 06:56:54 AM
Olsen must want first team football as a Swedish international irrespective of his attributes he can be happy as back up

Wherever it is the have my sympathies.

How bad are Swedish keepers that he is still their number one 

He doesn't have much competition, truth be told, but he also tends to do well for the national team. He was man of the match in our latest debacle against Austria. Not the first time either. 

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/jun/28/robin-olsen-from-roma-reject-to-swedens-giant-at-euro-2020
"It was deserved. He was outstanding, especially against Spain in the opener with Sweden under pressure for almost all of the match. The saves to keep out headers from Dani Olmo and Gerard Moreno stood out but he exuded calm throughout.

The Spanish press said it was a “monstrous” performance and his teammates queued up to praise him. “He was absolutely incredible,” said Alexander Isak, and Victor Lindelöf added: “He was fantastic, he saved us. I am going to give him a big hug and say thank you.”"

https://www.reuters.com/sports/soccer/baumgartner-strikes-late-austria-beat-sweden-2-0-2023-06-20/
"With the visitors offering little in attack in the first half, Austria poured forward and forced goalkeeper Robin Olsen to pull off a string of brilliant saves that somehow kept the Swedes level at the break." 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on July 21, 2023, 08:50:55 AM
			

			

				Talking of transfers, who's this chap;

https://twitter.com/J_Tanswell/status/1682290581165207553?s=20 (https://twitter.com/J_Tanswell/status/1682290581165207553?s=20)

Misread it, looks like he's joining the club?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 21, 2023, 08:58:39 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 21, 2023, 08:50:55 AM
Talking of transfers, who's this chap;

https://twitter.com/J_Tanswell/status/1682290581165207553?s=20 (https://twitter.com/J_Tanswell/status/1682290581165207553?s=20)

Misread it, looks like he's joining the club?

Looks like he's covering us for The Athletic rather than Southampton.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on July 21, 2023, 09:01:59 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Scott Nielsen on July 21, 2023, 08:41:25 AM
Quote from: Gareth on July 21, 2023, 07:30:22 AM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on July 21, 2023, 06:56:54 AM
Olsen must want first team football as a Swedish international irrespective of his attributes he can be happy as back up

Wherever it is the have my sympathies.

How bad are Swedish keepers that he is still their number one 

He doesn't have much competition, truth be told, but he also tends to do well for the national team. He was man of the match in our latest debacle against Austria. Not the first time either. 

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/jun/28/robin-olsen-from-roma-reject-to-swedens-giant-at-euro-2020
"It was deserved. He was outstanding, especially against Spain in the opener with Sweden under pressure for almost all of the match. The saves to keep out headers from Dani Olmo and Gerard Moreno stood out but he exuded calm throughout.

The Spanish press said it was a “monstrous” performance and his teammates queued up to praise him. “He was absolutely incredible,” said Alexander Isak, and Victor Lindelöf added: “He was fantastic, he saved us. I am going to give him a big hug and say thank you.”"

https://www.reuters.com/sports/soccer/baumgartner-strikes-late-austria-beat-sweden-2-0-2023-06-20/
"With the visitors offering little in attack in the first half, Austria poured forward and forced goalkeeper Robin Olsen to pull off a string of brilliant saves that somehow kept the Swedes level at the break."

Guessing he isn’t expected to use his feet for anything other than getting the ball forward Scott?  I have never had an issue with his shot stopping ability, it’s with the ball at his feet that he is sooo bad.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Scott Nielsen on July 21, 2023, 09:31:35 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Gareth on July 21, 2023, 09:01:59 AM
Guessing he isn’t expected to use his feet for anything other than getting the ball forward Scott?  I have never had an issue with his shot stopping ability, it’s with the ball at his feet that he is sooo bad.

No. Nor are our other players sadly. If that. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on July 21, 2023, 09:36:24 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on July 21, 2023, 08:58:39 AM
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 21, 2023, 08:50:55 AM
Talking of transfers, who's this chap;

https://twitter.com/J_Tanswell/status/1682290581165207553?s=20 (https://twitter.com/J_Tanswell/status/1682290581165207553?s=20)

Misread it, looks like he's joining the club?

Looks like he's covering us for The Athletic rather than Southampton.

You're right. And he doesn't waste any time, does he;

https://theathletic.com/4688791/2023/07/21/aston-villa-fouls-control/ (https://theathletic.com/4688791/2023/07/21/aston-villa-fouls-control/)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Astnor on July 21, 2023, 09:41:22 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: coreyfeldman on July 20, 2023, 10:42:58 PM
About the RB signing situation - i think it's probably a tricky one as from the start Emery has said he's not signing players unless they improve the squad. Despite some limitations Cash has been really good in patches and there was talk not long ago of big clubs looking at him.
So we're not going to sign cover, and it's a specialist position and I guess I'm thinking that there's a chance we won't find that player in this window necessarily.

Wouldn't be surprised if we saw another attacker in next
Probably spot on abut RB. Emery probl see potential in Cash and hopefully Emery can get him sorted as a RB. Have doubt myself and afraid it will cost us not bringing in an able alternative. Chambers will be back up RB and he can be up to it  defensively as a RB IMO - I trust him more as a defending RB than Cash.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on July 21, 2023, 09:46:26 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on July 21, 2023, 08:58:39 AM
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 21, 2023, 08:50:55 AM
Talking of transfers, who's this chap;

https://twitter.com/J_Tanswell/status/1682290581165207553?s=20 (https://twitter.com/J_Tanswell/status/1682290581165207553?s=20)

Misread it, looks like he's joining the club?

Looks like he's covering us for The Athletic rather than Southampton.
Hopefully that's a good thing.  Sounds like he's very popular with Southampton fans.  Maybe we can hope for a bit more tactical acumen and analysis rather than just puff pieces.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on July 21, 2023, 10:06:28 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 21, 2023, 09:36:24 AM
Quote from: Dave on July 21, 2023, 08:58:39 AM
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 21, 2023, 08:50:55 AM
Talking of transfers, who's this chap;

https://twitter.com/J_Tanswell/status/1682290581165207553?s=20 (https://twitter.com/J_Tanswell/status/1682290581165207553?s=20)

Misread it, looks like he's joining the club?

Looks like he's covering us for The Athletic rather than Southampton.

You're right. And he doesn't waste any time, does he;

https://theathletic.com/4688791/2023/07/21/aston-villa-fouls-control/ (https://theathletic.com/4688791/2023/07/21/aston-villa-fouls-control/)
A reminder, you can read these articles for free - just click on the link and then stop the page fully loading by pressing the cross to the left of the address bar
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 21, 2023, 10:12:56 AM
			

			

				Latest Twitter link is Thiago Almada, 22 year Argentinian international winger from Atlanta United for £20m.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on July 21, 2023, 10:13:30 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on July 21, 2023, 10:06:28 AM
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 21, 2023, 09:36:24 AM
Quote from: Dave on July 21, 2023, 08:58:39 AM
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 21, 2023, 08:50:55 AM
Talking of transfers, who's this chap;

https://twitter.com/J_Tanswell/status/1682290581165207553?s=20 (https://twitter.com/J_Tanswell/status/1682290581165207553?s=20)

Misread it, looks like he's joining the club?

Looks like he's covering us for The Athletic rather than Southampton.

You're right. And he doesn't waste any time, does he;

https://theathletic.com/4688791/2023/07/21/aston-villa-fouls-control/ (https://theathletic.com/4688791/2023/07/21/aston-villa-fouls-control/)
A reminder, you can read these articles for free - just click on the link and then stop the page fully loading by pressing the cross to the left of the address bar

 Like him already, a world class and extremely good-looking first name and an article biased in favour of us. Fine start.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 21, 2023, 10:14:54 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: charlatan on July 21, 2023, 12:52:22 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 20, 2023, 10:10:12 PM
I’m talking of the people making the content, not the punters.  

I still don’t like it. 

The content as in providing the platform or setting the odds? Punters do the latter on exchanges.

Making the content - should have specified, I am talking about the 'math' profile on games, ie slots, rather than sports betting.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on July 21, 2023, 10:18:26 AM
			

			

				Interesting regarding Konsa, I said towards the end of last season you know he's playing well when he's getting in front of attackers and getting fouled, he does it better than anyone, and that's the first time I've seen the stats to back it up.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 21, 2023, 10:21:09 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 21, 2023, 08:50:55 AM
Talking of transfers, who's this chap;

https://twitter.com/J_Tanswell/status/1682290581165207553?s=20 (https://twitter.com/J_Tanswell/status/1682290581165207553?s=20)

Misread it, looks like he's joining the club?

Some amusingly bitchy replies in that thread.


Jack Miller
@jackmiller81
Are you moving away 
@greggevans40
 to a different focus?

Benjamin
@fplben102
·
29m
Yeh. Golf and ffp news



That made me laugh like a drain (you need to listen to his podcast appearances with Dan "Who?" Bardell to get the reference.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on July 21, 2023, 10:34:09 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on July 21, 2023, 12:35:11 AM
Matteo Retegui, Argentina/Italian 24yr old Boca Juniors player being linked...

Jeremy Doku still linked even though we're getting Diaby..

Still no keeper mentioned though. 

That's an interesting link, I thought he was the best player for Italy against England (and scored their goal) a few months back and his scoring record has been very good for the last couple of years. Looks very strong as well, which would be useful in our squad.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on July 21, 2023, 11:07:12 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on July 21, 2023, 10:18:26 AM
Interesting regarding Konsa, I said towards the end of last season you know he's playing well when he's getting in front of attackers and getting fouled, he does it better than anyone, and that's the first time I've seen the stats to back it up.
It always makes me nervous when a defender tries to buy a foul though.  It's a risky strategy.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on July 21, 2023, 11:08:42 AM
			

			

				The Grauniad reporting the fee for Diaby as £43m with bonuses taking it up to just under £52m.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/jul/21/aston-villa-moussa-diaby-club-record-deal-bayer-leverkusen (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/jul/21/aston-villa-moussa-diaby-club-record-deal-bayer-leverkusen)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on July 21, 2023, 11:10:07 AM
			

			

				The Grauniad are also reporting that the fee for Nakamba was £4m.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2023/jun/01/mens-transfer-window-summer-2023-premier-league-italy-spain-germany-france (https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2023/jun/01/mens-transfer-window-summer-2023-premier-league-italy-spain-germany-france)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villatillidie25 on July 21, 2023, 11:17:27 AM
			

			

				that seems a fair value to be honest and adds a few pennies to the coffers
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on July 21, 2023, 11:20:30 AM
			

			

				There is a lot of media talk that we are still after Doku. 

Obviously they are playing up the "Liverpool interest" avenue, but they seem to think we want him as well as Diaby...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: jwarry on July 21, 2023, 11:29:09 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pablo_picasso on July 21, 2023, 11:20:30 AM
There is a lot of media talk that we are still after Doku. 

Obviously they are playing up the "Liverpool interest" avenue, but they seem to think we want him as well as Diaby...

Getting them both would provide a whole new dimension to our team
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 21, 2023, 11:30:02 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on July 21, 2023, 10:12:56 AM
Latest Twitter link is Thiago Almada, 22 year Argentinian international winger from Atlanta United for £20m.
Yes, as well speaking Spanish and an MLS link he is an attacking  World Cup champion
Can see a transfer being done while Villa is in stateside it would be a fantastic acquisition he's too good for MLS.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on July 21, 2023, 11:39:51 AM
			

			

				If we sign another winger I'd say that's definitely the end of Bailey ball
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on July 21, 2023, 11:40:35 AM
			

			

				Squad as it stands...

GK
Martinez
Olsen
Marschall
?

RB
Cash
Chambers/Konsa
?

LB
Moreno
Digne
Chrisene

CB
Konsa
Mings
Carlos
Torres
Chambers
Feeney

CM
Luiz
Kamara
McGinn
Tielemans
Ramsey J
Dendoncker
Sanson

AM
Coutinho
Buendia
Ramsey A
?

Forwards
Watkins
Bailey
Archer
Duran
Diaby
Traore
?

Looks pretty strong to me, with plenty of depth. I've put a question mark where I see us signing another player, so potentially 4 more, though with the covber at Right back I reckon we may leave it.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: murgsy on July 21, 2023, 11:40:39 AM
			

			

				Very decent shot on him from outside the box and good with free kicks


Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 21, 2023, 11:30:02 AM
Quote from: Dave on July 21, 2023, 10:12:56 AM
Latest Twitter link is Thiago Almada, 22 year Argentinian international winger from Atlanta United for £20m.
Yes, as well speaking Spanish and an MLS link he is an attacking  World Cup champion
Can see a transfer being done while Villa is in stateside it would be a fantastic acquisition he's too good for MLS.


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on July 21, 2023, 11:47:17 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on July 21, 2023, 11:40:35 AM
Squad as it stands...

...snip...

Looks pretty strong to me, with plenty of depth. I've put a question mark where I see us signing another player, so potentially 4 more, though with the covber at Right back I reckon we may leave it.

Don't want to quote the whole thing but

I suspect we won't add another AM, McGinn and JJ are both comfortable in there.
I'm not sure why you put in Sanson and didn't include Donk, I guess you just forgot about him?
You've put Archer in twice.

I reckon 2-3 more and no major outgoings is the plan now. We'll definitely get another forward of some sort, I suspect we'll get a right back/utility defender and I'd hope we get a keeper but that's probably the most difficult one to fill right now.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 21, 2023, 11:49:40 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on July 21, 2023, 10:34:09 AM
Quote from: Drummond on July 21, 2023, 12:35:11 AM
Matteo Retegui, Argentina/Italian 24yr old Boca Juniors player being linked...

Jeremy Doku still linked even though we're getting Diaby..

Still no keeper mentioned though. 

That's an interesting link, I thought he was the best player for Italy against England (and scored their goal) a few months back and his scoring record has been very good for the last couple of years. Looks very strong as well, which would be useful in our squad.

Yup, interesting if true but we'll need to move quickly as they're queuing up to sign him in Italy. Price is a steal at something like €15m-€18m. We need Emi to give him a call. He's only ever played one game for Boca and that was off the bench but last season on loan at Tigre (Div.II) he couldn't stop scoring - 28 goals and 2 in 3 for Italy including one against England.  

Could be a case of a late developer though he's only 24, his family were all very sporty and I think he played lots of different sports before settling on football at a late age. He reminds me of a South American Alan McInally. Risky business but he as Delboy says..
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 21, 2023, 11:55:23 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on July 21, 2023, 11:47:17 AM
Quote from: Drummond on July 21, 2023, 11:40:35 AM
Squad as it stands...

...snip...

Looks pretty strong to me, with plenty of depth. I've put a question mark where I see us signing another player, so potentially 4 more, though with the covber at Right back I reckon we may leave it.

Don't want to quote the whole thing but

I suspect we won't add another AM, McGinn and JJ are both comfortable in there.
I'm not sure why you put in Sanson and didn't include Donk, I guess you just forgot about him?
You've put Archer in twice.

I reckon 2-3 more and no major outgoings is the plan now. We'll definitely get another forward of some sort, I suspect we'll get a right back/utility defender and I'd hope we get a keeper but that's probably the most difficult one to fill right now.

One of the squad’s strengths is that a few players can be easily allocated to different roles. Diaby, Bailey and Traore have played as a striker. SJM and Ramsey play some of their best football in the Buendia position. 

The Konsa experiment as a RB is interesting too. If he adapts to that then I think we’ll become a more dynamic team.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on July 21, 2023, 11:55:57 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on July 21, 2023, 11:47:17 AM
Quote from: Drummond on July 21, 2023, 11:40:35 AM
Squad as it stands...

...snip...

Looks pretty strong to me, with plenty of depth. I've put a question mark where I see us signing another player, so potentially 4 more, though with the covber at Right back I reckon we may leave it.

Don't want to quote the whole thing but

I suspect we won't add another AM, McGinn and JJ are both comfortable in there.
I'm not sure why you put in Sanson and didn't include Donk, I guess you just forgot about him?
You've put Archer in twice.

I reckon 2-3 more and no major outgoings is the plan now. We'll definitely get another forward of some sort, I suspect we'll get a right back/utility defender and I'd hope we get a keeper but that's probably the most difficult one to fill right now.

Yep, edited now. Ta

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on July 21, 2023, 12:03:02 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 21, 2023, 11:55:23 AM
Quote from: paul_e on July 21, 2023, 11:47:17 AM
Quote from: Drummond on July 21, 2023, 11:40:35 AM
Squad as it stands...

...snip...

Looks pretty strong to me, with plenty of depth. I've put a question mark where I see us signing another player, so potentially 4 more, though with the covber at Right back I reckon we may leave it.

Don't want to quote the whole thing but

I suspect we won't add another AM, McGinn and JJ are both comfortable in there.
I'm not sure why you put in Sanson and didn't include Donk, I guess you just forgot about him?
You've put Archer in twice.

I reckon 2-3 more and no major outgoings is the plan now. We'll definitely get another forward of some sort, I suspect we'll get a right back/utility defender and I'd hope we get a keeper but that's probably the most difficult one to fill right now.

One of the squad’s strengths is that a few players can be easily allocated to different roles. Diaby, Bailey and Traore have played as a striker. SJM and Ramsey play some of their best football in the Buendia position. 

The Konsa experiment as a RB is interesting too. If he adapts to that then I think we’ll become a more dynamic team.

Konsa was horrid when he tried playing RB for us previously. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Somniloquism on July 21, 2023, 12:07:28 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on July 21, 2023, 11:49:40 AM
Quote from: paul_e on July 21, 2023, 10:34:09 AM
Quote from: Drummond on July 21, 2023, 12:35:11 AM
Matteo Retegui, Argentina/Italian 24yr old Boca Juniors player being linked...

Jeremy Doku still linked even though we're getting Diaby..

Still no keeper mentioned though. 

That's an interesting link, I thought he was the best player for Italy against England (and scored their goal) a few months back and his scoring record has been very good for the last couple of years. Looks very strong as well, which would be useful in our squad.

Yup, interesting if true but we'll need to move quickly as they're queuing up to sign him in Italy. Price is a steal at something like €15m-€18m. We need Emi to give him a call. He's only ever played one game for Boca and that was off the bench but last season on loan at Tigre (Div.II) he couldn't stop scoring - 28 goals and 2 in 3 for Italy including one against England.  

Tigre are in the top division since he has been there as promoted for the start of 2022. He got top league scorer last season with 19 in 27 and had got 6 in 8* so far this season. 

* Seems his club stats have not been updated since March on Wiki. Seems he has 11 now but not sure in how many appearances. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on July 21, 2023, 12:08:57 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: brontebilly on July 21, 2023, 12:03:02 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 21, 2023, 11:55:23 AM
Quote from: paul_e on July 21, 2023, 11:47:17 AM
Quote from: Drummond on July 21, 2023, 11:40:35 AM
Squad as it stands...

...snip...

Looks pretty strong to me, with plenty of depth. I've put a question mark where I see us signing another player, so potentially 4 more, though with the covber at Right back I reckon we may leave it.

Don't want to quote the whole thing but

I suspect we won't add another AM, McGinn and JJ are both comfortable in there.
I'm not sure why you put in Sanson and didn't include Donk, I guess you just forgot about him?
You've put Archer in twice.

I reckon 2-3 more and no major outgoings is the plan now. We'll definitely get another forward of some sort, I suspect we'll get a right back/utility defender and I'd hope we get a keeper but that's probably the most difficult one to fill right now.

One of the squad’s strengths is that a few players can be easily allocated to different roles. Diaby, Bailey and Traore have played as a striker. SJM and Ramsey play some of their best football in the Buendia position. 

The Konsa experiment as a RB is interesting too. If he adapts to that then I think we’ll become a more dynamic team.

Konsa was horrid when he tried playing RB for us previously. 

Different manager, different job and a player who was being coached very differently as well. With us tucking in the RB to make a 3 I think there will be times where Konsa is a good choice there. As has been mentioned he's one of the hardest defenders in the league to dribble past and there are a lot of teams with very strong left wingers so I can see the advantage of using him that way.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on July 21, 2023, 12:16:09 PM
			

			

				I've seen Chrisene described as being the back-up left back but Seb Revan seems to have overtaken him. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on July 21, 2023, 12:17:42 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on July 21, 2023, 12:16:09 PM
I've seen Chrisene described as being the back-up left back but Seb Revan seems to have overtaken him. 

Revan is better going forward for me so is a more like-for-like replacement for Moreno, I'm not sure either are ready to play regularly though.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Mister E on July 21, 2023, 12:22:54 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on July 21, 2023, 12:17:42 PM
Quote from: OCD on July 21, 2023, 12:16:09 PM
I've seen Chrisene described as being the back-up left back but Seb Revan seems to have overtaken him. 

Revan is better going forward for me so is a more like-for-like replacement for Moreno, I'm not sure either are ready to play regularly though.
Has Chrisene had any pre-season involvement? - he's not in the US-trip squad, is he?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on July 21, 2023, 12:33:43 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on July 20, 2023, 08:01:32 PM
And it's back!

Guess who just got back today?
That wild-eyed boy that had been away
Haven't changed, has too much to say
But man, I still think that **** are crazy
No one askin' if you were around
How you was, where you could be found
I told 'em you were still a clown
Drivin' all the Villa men crazy
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on July 21, 2023, 12:36:34 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Mister E on July 21, 2023, 12:22:54 PM
Quote from: paul_e on July 21, 2023, 12:17:42 PM
Quote from: OCD on July 21, 2023, 12:16:09 PM
I've seen Chrisene described as being the back-up left back but Seb Revan seems to have overtaken him. 

Revan is better going forward for me so is a more like-for-like replacement for Moreno, I'm not sure either are ready to play regularly though.
Has Chrisene had any pre-season involvement? - he's not in the US-trip squad, is he?

Both came on against Walsall, Chrisene at Left Back and Revan in front of him.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 21, 2023, 12:41:03 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Somniloquism on July 21, 2023, 12:07:28 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on July 21, 2023, 11:49:40 AM
Quote from: paul_e on July 21, 2023, 10:34:09 AM
Quote from: Drummond on July 21, 2023, 12:35:11 AM
Matteo Retegui, Argentina/Italian 24yr old Boca Juniors player being linked...

Jeremy Doku still linked even though we're getting Diaby..

Still no keeper mentioned though. 

That's an interesting link, I thought he was the best player for Italy against England (and scored their goal) a few months back and his scoring record has been very good for the last couple of years. Looks very strong as well, which would be useful in our squad.

Yup, interesting if true but we'll need to move quickly as they're queuing up to sign him in Italy. Price is a steal at something like €15m-€18m. We need Emi to give him a call. He's only ever played one game for Boca and that was off the bench but last season on loan at Tigre (Div.II) he couldn't stop scoring - 28 goals and 2 in 3 for Italy including one against England.  

Tigre are in the top division since he has been there as promoted for the start of 2022. He got top league scorer last season with 19 in 27 and had got 6 in 8* so far this season. 

* Seems his club stats have not been updated since March on Wiki. Seems he has 11 now but not sure in how many appearances. 

Cheers! That's very comforting to know. Let's get him in today then. It would be rude not to.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on July 21, 2023, 12:43:55 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Somniloquism on July 21, 2023, 12:07:28 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on July 21, 2023, 11:49:40 AM
Quote from: paul_e on July 21, 2023, 10:34:09 AM
Quote from: Drummond on July 21, 2023, 12:35:11 AM
Matteo Retegui, Argentina/Italian 24yr old Boca Juniors player being linked...

Jeremy Doku still linked even though we're getting Diaby..

Still no keeper mentioned though. 

That's an interesting link, I thought he was the best player for Italy against England (and scored their goal) a few months back and his scoring record has been very good for the last couple of years. Looks very strong as well, which would be useful in our squad.

Yup, interesting if true but we'll need to move quickly as they're queuing up to sign him in Italy. Price is a steal at something like €15m-€18m. We need Emi to give him a call. He's only ever played one game for Boca and that was off the bench but last season on loan at Tigre (Div.II) he couldn't stop scoring - 28 goals and 2 in 3 for Italy including one against England.  

Tigre are in the top division since he has been there as promoted for the start of 2022. He got top league scorer last season with 19 in 27 and had got 6 in 8* so far this season. 

* Seems his club stats have not been updated since March on Wiki. Seems he has 11 now but not sure in how many appearances. 

11 in 21 from what I can find. If the fee is as low as Rudy says then I think he's well worth the gamble, he has a hint of Drogba about him, seems to really like bouncing defenders and accelerating away.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 21, 2023, 12:49:28 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on July 21, 2023, 12:43:55 PM
Quote from: Somniloquism on July 21, 2023, 12:07:28 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on July 21, 2023, 11:49:40 AM
Quote from: paul_e on July 21, 2023, 10:34:09 AM
Quote from: Drummond on July 21, 2023, 12:35:11 AM
Matteo Retegui, Argentina/Italian 24yr old Boca Juniors player being linked...

Jeremy Doku still linked even though we're getting Diaby..

Still no keeper mentioned though. 

That's an interesting link, I thought he was the best player for Italy against England (and scored their goal) a few months back and his scoring record has been very good for the last couple of years. Looks very strong as well, which would be useful in our squad.

Yup, interesting if true but we'll need to move quickly as they're queuing up to sign him in Italy. Price is a steal at something like €15m-€18m. We need Emi to give him a call. He's only ever played one game for Boca and that was off the bench but last season on loan at Tigre (Div.II) he couldn't stop scoring - 28 goals and 2 in 3 for Italy including one against England.  

Tigre are in the top division since he has been there as promoted for the start of 2022. He got top league scorer last season with 19 in 27 and had got 6 in 8* so far this season. 

* Seems his club stats have not been updated since March on Wiki. Seems he has 11 now but not sure in how many appearances. 

11 in 21 from what I can find. If the fee is as low as Rudy says then I think he's well worth the gamble, he has a hint of Drogba about him, seems to really like bouncing defenders and accelerating away.

€15m is on the table for him from Genoa and it seems Boca are likely to accept. Madness. Only problem I see is now that he's in the Italy side he may decide it's the best place to keep his place in the team.

As for his goals, I'm reading '25 goals from 35 league appearances, including six from eight so far in 2023. '
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on July 21, 2023, 12:50:02 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on July 21, 2023, 12:17:42 PM
Quote from: OCD on July 21, 2023, 12:16:09 PM
I've seen Chrisene described as being the back-up left back but Seb Revan seems to have overtaken him. 

Revan is better going forward for me so is a more like-for-like replacement for Moreno, I'm not sure either are ready to play regularly though.
Talking of young fullbacks, I have to admit to being wrong about KKH.  I thought he may have been good enough to step up as reserve right back last season, let alone this.  Given we've let Ashley go and he's still didn't get a sniff he must have gone backwards fast.  Appreciate we tend to want a defensive right back, but even so I thought really thought he'd step up and we could be making use of him now.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on July 21, 2023, 12:52:14 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on July 21, 2023, 12:08:57 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on July 21, 2023, 12:03:02 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 21, 2023, 11:55:23 AM
Quote from: paul_e on July 21, 2023, 11:47:17 AM
Quote from: Drummond on July 21, 2023, 11:40:35 AM
Squad as it stands...

...snip...

Looks pretty strong to me, with plenty of depth. I've put a question mark where I see us signing another player, so potentially 4 more, though with the covber at Right back I reckon we may leave it.

Don't want to quote the whole thing but

I suspect we won't add another AM, McGinn and JJ are both comfortable in there.
I'm not sure why you put in Sanson and didn't include Donk, I guess you just forgot about him?
You've put Archer in twice.

I reckon 2-3 more and no major outgoings is the plan now. We'll definitely get another forward of some sort, I suspect we'll get a right back/utility defender and I'd hope we get a keeper but that's probably the most difficult one to fill right now.

One of the squad’s strengths is that a few players can be easily allocated to different roles. Diaby, Bailey and Traore have played as a striker. SJM and Ramsey play some of their best football in the Buendia position. 

The Konsa experiment as a RB is interesting too. If he adapts to that then I think we’ll become a more dynamic team.

Konsa was horrid when he tried playing RB for us previously. 

Different manager, different job and a player who was being coached very differently as well. With us tucking in the RB to make a 3 I think there will be times where Konsa is a good choice there. As has been mentioned he's one of the hardest defenders in the league to dribble past and there are a lot of teams with very strong left wingers so I can see the advantage of using him that way.

The days of an AWB type defender good at stopping dribbles past but limited elsewhere are gone I feel. It's a bit of a silly stat anyway. With a player that limited on the ball, opponents get clever forcing teams to play out through them. When AWB plays you can see teams letting him have the ball, the longer he has it the more uncomfortable he gets. That would be Konsa in a 3 or 4 playing out there. It's a lot different position defensively being close to the sideline as opposed to the endline or with Martinez playing high the edge of our box. Konsa is good at using the endline and Martinez to his advantage (buying many a soft foul in the process!) but you don't have that luxury on the right. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on July 21, 2023, 01:00:15 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on July 21, 2023, 12:49:28 PM
€15m is on the table for him from Genoa and it seems Boca are likely to accept. Madness. Only problem I see is now that he's in the Italy side he may decide it's the best place to keep his place in the team.

As for his goals, I'm reading '25 goals from 35 league appearances, including six from eight so far in 2023. '

There's 5 months left on his contract. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on July 21, 2023, 01:00:56 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on July 21, 2023, 12:50:02 PM
Quote from: paul_e on July 21, 2023, 12:17:42 PM
Quote from: OCD on July 21, 2023, 12:16:09 PM
I've seen Chrisene described as being the back-up left back but Seb Revan seems to have overtaken him. 

Revan is better going forward for me so is a more like-for-like replacement for Moreno, I'm not sure either are ready to play regularly though.
Talking of young fullbacks, I have to admit to being wrong about KKH.  I thought he may have been good enough to step up as reserve right back last season, let alone this.  Given we've let Ashley go and he's still didn't get a sniff he must have gone backwards fast.  Appreciate we tend to want a defensive right back, but even so I thought really thought he'd step up and we could be making use of him now.

He had a bad loan last year, Huddersfield just weren't a good fit and were really badly managed (the squad was much better than being in the relegation battle all season). I think he'll have a better season this year and he's still only 20 so plenty of time to turn things around.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on July 21, 2023, 01:02:33 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on July 21, 2023, 01:00:56 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on July 21, 2023, 12:50:02 PM
Quote from: paul_e on July 21, 2023, 12:17:42 PM
Quote from: OCD on July 21, 2023, 12:16:09 PM
I've seen Chrisene described as being the back-up left back but Seb Revan seems to have overtaken him. 

Revan is better going forward for me so is a more like-for-like replacement for Moreno, I'm not sure either are ready to play regularly though.
Talking of young fullbacks, I have to admit to being wrong about KKH.  I thought he may have been good enough to step up as reserve right back last season, let alone this.  Given we've let Ashley go and he's still didn't get a sniff he must have gone backwards fast.  Appreciate we tend to want a defensive right back, but even so I thought really thought he'd step up and we could be making use of him now.

He had a bad loan last year, Huddersfield just weren't a good fit and were really badly managed (the squad was much better than being in the relegation battle all season). I think he'll have a better season this year and he's still only 20 so plenty of time to turn things around.
True, but timing wise it's a shame.  It could have come together nicely this season whereas instead I presume we'll go to market.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 21, 2023, 01:07:28 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on July 21, 2023, 01:00:15 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on July 21, 2023, 12:49:28 PM
€15m is on the table for him from Genoa and it seems Boca are likely to accept. Madness. Only problem I see is now that he's in the Italy side he may decide it's the best place to keep his place in the team.

As for his goals, I'm reading '25 goals from 35 league appearances, including six from eight so far in 2023. '

There's 5 months left on his contract. 

That explains a lot. Plus, Tigre had an option to buy but haven't paid Boca anything yet so stand to lose the player for nothing.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on July 21, 2023, 01:39:48 PM
			

			

				Supposedly looking at Dusan Vlahovic from Juventus.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villatillidie25 on July 21, 2023, 01:41:59 PM
			

			

				surely his wages are prohibitive. isn't he on something obscene like £300k/wk?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on July 21, 2023, 01:44:23 PM
			

			

				i don't think the wages will be an issue 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 21, 2023, 01:50:35 PM
			

			

				PSG were apparently looking at him too and their Ultras sent him a warning that they'd cut his fingers off if he signed for them. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on July 21, 2023, 01:51:51 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 21, 2023, 01:50:35 PM
PSG were apparently looking at him too and their Ultras sent him a warning that they'd cut his fingers off if he signed for them. 

They....what
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on July 21, 2023, 01:52:29 PM
			

			

				Probably same category as João Félix, Ferran Torres or Asensio. Would be fantastic if it came off but probably unrealistic for right now. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 21, 2023, 01:53:05 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Monty on July 21, 2023, 01:51:51 PM
Quote from: AV84 on July 21, 2023, 01:50:35 PM
PSG were apparently looking at him too and their Ultras sent him a warning that they'd cut his fingers off if he signed for them. 

They....what

A bit of history of unpleasant Serbian nationalism means that they didn't want him there. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on July 21, 2023, 01:53:41 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: algy on July 21, 2023, 01:39:48 PM
Supposedly looking at Dusan Vlahovic from Juventus.

Looks like Chelsea and Real are also looking into his situation.. would be insane if we were to pull something like that off. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 21, 2023, 01:55:54 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Monty on July 21, 2023, 01:51:51 PM
Quote from: AV84 on July 21, 2023, 01:50:35 PM
PSG were apparently looking at him too and their Ultras sent him a warning that they'd cut his fingers off if he signed for them. 

They....what

Apparently its to do with his support of Serbian supremacy over Kosovo. And there was only a small group of them, but the PSG Ultras are genuinely insane, so...

(https://assets.goal.com/v3/assets/bltcc7a7ffd2fbf71f5/blta8d2462d04658368/64b5073d9775c6d940cb86c7/Vlahovic_PSG_ultras.jpg?format=pjpg&auto=webp&width=640&quality=60)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on July 21, 2023, 01:59:27 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on July 21, 2023, 01:53:05 PM
Quote from: Monty on July 21, 2023, 01:51:51 PM
Quote from: AV84 on July 21, 2023, 01:50:35 PM
PSG were apparently looking at him too and their Ultras sent him a warning that they'd cut his fingers off if he signed for them. 

They....what

A bit of history of unpleasant Serbian nationalism means that they didn't want him there. 

Well, a brief dive into quite a little rabbit hole later and now I don't want him either. Though I can't say that the whole dactylectomy thing is quite up my street either.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 21, 2023, 02:01:00 PM
			

			

				No, he can fuck off.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bad English on July 21, 2023, 02:03:13 PM
			

			

				"Vlahovic in Paris we'll cut your three fingers off". 

Explanation (https://www.goal.com/en/news/cut-off-three-fingers-dusan-vlahovic-chilling-transfer-warning-psg-ultras-juventus/blt072de729a7dae36a).


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 21, 2023, 02:04:46 PM
			

			

				He can fuck off and take his three fingers with him, in that case.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 21, 2023, 02:04:57 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 21, 2023, 01:55:54 PM
Quote from: Monty on July 21, 2023, 01:51:51 PM
Quote from: AV84 on July 21, 2023, 01:50:35 PM
PSG were apparently looking at him too and their Ultras sent him a warning that they'd cut his fingers off if he signed for them. 

They....what

Apparently its to do with his support of Serbian supremacy over Kosovo. And there was only a small group of them, but the PSG Ultras are genuinely insane, so...

(https://assets.goal.com/v3/assets/bltcc7a7ffd2fbf71f5/blta8d2462d04658368/64b5073d9775c6d940cb86c7/Vlahovic_PSG_ultras.jpg?format=pjpg&auto=webp&width=640&quality=60)

Goes back to this picture:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FIl3kudXoAM4_L0?format=jpg)

“Be happy Serbian race” is the slogan, with a picture of Serbia with Kosovo inside the border. And the hand signal he's doing is (while a traditional Serbian gesture) is now apparently more widely seen as agressive nationalism.

Hence the cutting his fingers off thing. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 21, 2023, 02:06:43 PM
			

			

				If we sign Borja Iglesias from Real Betis he could be our hero baby!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 21, 2023, 02:07:30 PM
			

			

				I wonder if Jonathan David will ever move to the Prem
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on July 21, 2023, 02:08:20 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 21, 2023, 02:04:46 PM
He can fuck off and take his three fingers with him, in that case.

Indeed.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 21, 2023, 02:12:29 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: villadelph on July 21, 2023, 01:53:41 PM
Quote from: algy on July 21, 2023, 01:39:48 PM
Supposedly looking at Dusan Vlahovic from Juventus.

Looks like Chelsea and Real are also looking into his situation.. would be insane if we were to pull something like that off.

Vlahovic is better than Kane ... at free kicks! But seriously he's good just been failed by the team and tactics at Juve.
I think if he came to the Prem he would thrive and be back to scoring goals like he did before his Juve move. Blame Juve more than DV as he is an excellent striker in my eyes. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on July 21, 2023, 02:16:26 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 21, 2023, 02:12:29 PM
Quote from: villadelph on July 21, 2023, 01:53:41 PM
Quote from: algy on July 21, 2023, 01:39:48 PM
Supposedly looking at Dusan Vlahovic from Juventus.

Looks like Chelsea and Real are also looking into his situation.. would be insane if we were to pull something like that off.

Vlahovic is better than Kane ... at free kicks! But seriously he's good just been failed by the team and tactics at Juve.
I think if he came to the Prem he would thrive and be back to scoring goals like he did before his Juve move. Blame Juve more than DV as he is an excellent striker in my eyes. 

No fascists, nobody genocide-adjacent, no nothing like that. Villa are something of a national team for Birmingham, an exceptionally diverse city with a lot of Muslim people in it, and anybody who has anything to do with any of that Serb racial imperialism can't represent them.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bad English on July 21, 2023, 02:23:07 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 21, 2023, 02:08:20 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 21, 2023, 02:04:46 PM
He can fuck off and take his three fingers with him, in that case.

Indeed.
And now I'm singing
Three fingers on a street
Vlahovic still bleeding
No more Serbs that bleat
No more need to sign him.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 21, 2023, 02:26:26 PM
			

			

				Looks more a Chelsea signing 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on July 21, 2023, 02:32:04 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Monty on July 21, 2023, 02:16:26 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 21, 2023, 02:12:29 PM
Quote from: villadelph on July 21, 2023, 01:53:41 PM
Quote from: algy on July 21, 2023, 01:39:48 PM
Supposedly looking at Dusan Vlahovic from Juventus.

Looks like Chelsea and Real are also looking into his situation.. would be insane if we were to pull something like that off.

Vlahovic is better than Kane ... at free kicks! But seriously he's good just been failed by the team and tactics at Juve.
I think if he came to the Prem he would thrive and be back to scoring goals like he did before his Juve move. Blame Juve more than DV as he is an excellent striker in my eyes. 

No fascists, nobody genocide-adjacent, no nothing like that. Villa are something of a national team for Birmingham, an exceptionally diverse city with a lot of Muslim people in it, and anybody who has anything to do with any of that Serb racial imperialism can't represent them.

us.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on July 21, 2023, 02:37:39 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on July 21, 2023, 02:32:04 PM
Quote from: Monty on July 21, 2023, 02:16:26 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 21, 2023, 02:12:29 PM
Quote from: villadelph on July 21, 2023, 01:53:41 PM
Quote from: algy on July 21, 2023, 01:39:48 PM
Supposedly looking at Dusan Vlahovic from Juventus.

Looks like Chelsea and Real are also looking into his situation.. would be insane if we were to pull something like that off.

Vlahovic is better than Kane ... at free kicks! But seriously he's good just been failed by the team and tactics at Juve.
I think if he came to the Prem he would thrive and be back to scoring goals like he did before his Juve move. Blame Juve more than DV as he is an excellent striker in my eyes. 

No fascists, nobody genocide-adjacent, no nothing like that. Villa are something of a national team for Birmingham, an exceptionally diverse city with a lot of Muslim people in it, and anybody who has anything to do with any of that Serb racial imperialism can't represent them.

us.

Them as in the muslim population of Birmingham I think he meant.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on July 21, 2023, 02:39:29 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on July 21, 2023, 02:37:39 PM
Quote from: Drummond on July 21, 2023, 02:32:04 PM
Quote from: Monty on July 21, 2023, 02:16:26 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 21, 2023, 02:12:29 PM
Quote from: villadelph on July 21, 2023, 01:53:41 PM
Quote from: algy on July 21, 2023, 01:39:48 PM
Supposedly looking at Dusan Vlahovic from Juventus.

Looks like Chelsea and Real are also looking into his situation.. would be insane if we were to pull something like that off.

Vlahovic is better than Kane ... at free kicks! But seriously he's good just been failed by the team and tactics at Juve.
I think if he came to the Prem he would thrive and be back to scoring goals like he did before his Juve move. Blame Juve more than DV as he is an excellent striker in my eyes. 

No fascists, nobody genocide-adjacent, no nothing like that. Villa are something of a national team for Birmingham, an exceptionally diverse city with a lot of Muslim people in it, and anybody who has anything to do with any of that Serb racial imperialism can't represent them.

us.

Them as in the muslim population of Birmingham I think he meant.

I know, but it's us too surely? (And perhaps I should have been clearer)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on July 21, 2023, 02:43:51 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on July 21, 2023, 02:39:29 PM
Quote from: paul_e on July 21, 2023, 02:37:39 PM
Quote from: Drummond on July 21, 2023, 02:32:04 PM
Quote from: Monty on July 21, 2023, 02:16:26 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 21, 2023, 02:12:29 PM
Quote from: villadelph on July 21, 2023, 01:53:41 PM
Quote from: algy on July 21, 2023, 01:39:48 PM
Supposedly looking at Dusan Vlahovic from Juventus.

Looks like Chelsea and Real are also looking into his situation.. would be insane if we were to pull something like that off.

Vlahovic is better than Kane ... at free kicks! But seriously he's good just been failed by the team and tactics at Juve.
I think if he came to the Prem he would thrive and be back to scoring goals like he did before his Juve move. Blame Juve more than DV as he is an excellent striker in my eyes. 

No fascists, nobody genocide-adjacent, no nothing like that. Villa are something of a national team for Birmingham, an exceptionally diverse city with a lot of Muslim people in it, and anybody who has anything to do with any of that Serb racial imperialism can't represent them.

us.

Them as in the muslim population of Birmingham I think he meant.

I know, but it's us too surely? (And perhaps I should have been clearer)

That's fair, happy with either sentiment.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on July 21, 2023, 02:48:43 PM
			

			

				This Vlahovic fellow, I didn't really know anything about him except for a name. Sounds like a prick. He can fuck off and take his 3 shitty fingers with him.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: lovejoy on July 21, 2023, 03:03:04 PM
			

			

				Lots of footballers have a lot of dodgy views. Anyone who moved from Fioerntina to Juve is a wrong un in my book, Kosovo doesn't come in to it.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 21, 2023, 03:05:58 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: lovejoy on July 21, 2023, 03:03:04 PM
Anyone who moved from Fioerntina to Juve is a wrong un in my book, Kosovo doesn't come in to it.

Harsh on Bobby Baggio.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on July 21, 2023, 03:07:02 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: lovejoy on July 21, 2023, 03:03:04 PM
Lots of footballers have a lot of dodgy views. Anyone who moved from Fioerntina to Juve is a wrong un in my book, Kosovo doesn't come in to it.

That's fine, there are lots of other clubs for them to play for.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 21, 2023, 03:13:42 PM
			

			

				I'm sure there's questionable political beliefs at most clubs already, Villa is no exception, but someone who openly professes them during a time of active conflict is probably better off somewhere else. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 21, 2023, 03:27:48 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 21, 2023, 03:13:42 PM
I'm sure there's questionable political beliefs at most clubs already, Villa is no exception, but someone who openly professes them during a time of active conflict is probably better off somewhere else. 

'Political beliefs'? We're not talking about somebody still in favour of water privatisation here.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: charlatan on July 21, 2023, 04:24:50 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Monty on July 21, 2023, 02:16:26 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 21, 2023, 02:12:29 PM
Quote from: villadelph on July 21, 2023, 01:53:41 PM
Quote from: algy on July 21, 2023, 01:39:48 PM
Supposedly looking at Dusan Vlahovic from Juventus.

Looks like Chelsea and Real are also looking into his situation.. would be insane if we were to pull something like that off.

Vlahovic is better than Kane ... at free kicks! But seriously he's good just been failed by the team and tactics at Juve.
I think if he came to the Prem he would thrive and be back to scoring goals like he did before his Juve move. Blame Juve more than DV as he is an excellent striker in my eyes. 

No fascists, nobody genocide-adjacent, no nothing like that. Villa are something of a national team for Birmingham, an exceptionally diverse city with a lot of Muslim people in it, and anybody who has anything to do with any of that Serb racial imperialism can't represent them.

So we can't have Serb nationalists who want Serbia to claim an area with lots of Muslims as their own play for us because we've claimed an area with lots of Muslims (admittedly more of whom are on board) as our own (and on top of that we now have bogus self-important notions of nationhood so presumably Coventry will need to up its defence spending)? 

Lots of Muslims in Birmingham are against homosexuality. Can they be part of this Villa nation conceit?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villatillidie25 on July 21, 2023, 04:26:18 PM
			

			

				Elanga going to Forest. Does that free up Johnson to leave...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on July 21, 2023, 04:27:20 PM
			

			

				Diaby, Doku AND Johnson? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villatillidie25 on July 21, 2023, 04:28:41 PM
			

			

				i'm going to assume it's Diaby and Johnson or Doku...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 21, 2023, 04:29:27 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Villatillidie25 on July 21, 2023, 04:26:18 PM
Elanga going to Forest. Does that free up Johnson to leave...

I saw a tweet about Johnson signing a new contract  at Forest the other day. I admit I just scrolled past without paying much attention.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 21, 2023, 04:32:12 PM
			

			

				Genoa not happy that we may be 'meddling' with their deal for Mateo Retegui. I hope we are but we're cutting it really fine, they have everything approved and hoped to sign him today.

Are you hearing anything, Monty?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on July 21, 2023, 05:00:32 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on July 21, 2023, 04:32:12 PM
Genoa not happy that we may be 'meddling' with their deal for Mateo Retegui. I hope we are but we're cutting it really fine, they have everything approved and hoped to sign him today.

Are you hearing anything, Monty?

Can't find anything in Gazzetta, they're pretty much just profiling the player and what he might bring. 

Of course, as it's Genoa I wish them nothing but curses and epithets.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on July 21, 2023, 05:01:56 PM
			

			

				Any particular reason for the ire? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on July 21, 2023, 05:06:29 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: charlatan on July 21, 2023, 04:24:50 PM
Quote from: Monty on July 21, 2023, 02:16:26 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 21, 2023, 02:12:29 PM
Quote from: villadelph on July 21, 2023, 01:53:41 PM
Quote from: algy on July 21, 2023, 01:39:48 PM
Supposedly looking at Dusan Vlahovic from Juventus.

Looks like Chelsea and Real are also looking into his situation.. would be insane if we were to pull something like that off.

Vlahovic is better than Kane ... at free kicks! But seriously he's good just been failed by the team and tactics at Juve.
I think if he came to the Prem he would thrive and be back to scoring goals like he did before his Juve move. Blame Juve more than DV as he is an excellent striker in my eyes. 

No fascists, nobody genocide-adjacent, no nothing like that. Villa are something of a national team for Birmingham, an exceptionally diverse city with a lot of Muslim people in it, and anybody who has anything to do with any of that Serb racial imperialism can't represent them.

So we can't have Serb nationalists who want Serbia to claim an area with lots of Muslims as their own play for us because we've claimed an area with lots of Muslims (admittedly more of whom are on board) as our own (and on top of that we now have bogus self-important notions of nationhood so presumably Coventry will need to up its defence spending)? 

Lots of Muslims in Birmingham are against homosexuality. Can they be part of this Villa nation conceit?

<popcorn gif>
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on July 21, 2023, 05:07:43 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on July 21, 2023, 05:01:56 PM
Any particular reason for the ire? 

Venice-Genoa thing. They didn't like each other 800 years ago and around here that's more than enough.

Also, charlatan, Serb nationalism in Kosovo involves genocide denial. There it is.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 21, 2023, 05:13:28 PM
			

			

				There were links with midfielder from Barcelona González but appears he's going to Porto 

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on July 21, 2023, 05:17:44 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Monty on July 21, 2023, 05:07:43 PM
Quote from: LeeB on July 21, 2023, 05:01:56 PM
Any particular reason for the ire? 

Venice-Genoa thing. They didn't like each other 800 years ago and around here that's more than enough.

Also, charlatan, Serb nationalism in Kosovo involves genocide denial. There it is.

Sounds a bit like Shard End and Castle Brom, understood. The Italian bit, not the genocide denial.

*nods*
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: trinityoap on July 21, 2023, 05:20:36 PM
			

			

				The most cursory glance at Balkans history would suggest that when it comes to bearing a grudge (most) Serbs are in a class of their own.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 21, 2023, 05:23:34 PM
			

			

				more bollox

Chelsea are interested in Aston Villa striker Ollie Watkins, according to a report.

Journalist Simon Phillips, via Football London, claimed new Blues boss Maurcio Pochettino is currently considering his attacking options – with Watkins said to be on his radar.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: jwarry on July 21, 2023, 05:24:19 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Monty on July 21, 2023, 05:00:32 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on July 21, 2023, 04:32:12 PM
Genoa not happy that we may be 'meddling' with their deal for Mateo Retegui. I hope we are but we're cutting it really fine, they have everything approved and hoped to sign him today.

Are you hearing anything, Monty?

Can't find anything in Gazzetta, they're pretty much just profiling the player and what he might bring. 

Of course, as it's Genoa I wish them nothing but curses and epithets.

Cursory glance at dogheads mix forum, they seem to think they are in with a shout
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, seeneeds, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on July 21, 2023, 05:28:57 PM
			

			

				Seems like your London media are looking to try and unsettle us 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on July 21, 2023, 05:36:19 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: charlatan on July 21, 2023, 04:24:50 PM
Quote from: Monty on July 21, 2023, 02:16:26 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 21, 2023, 02:12:29 PM
Quote from: villadelph on July 21, 2023, 01:53:41 PM
Quote from: algy on July 21, 2023, 01:39:48 PM
Supposedly looking at Dusan Vlahovic from Juventus.

Looks like Chelsea and Real are also looking into his situation.. would be insane if we were to pull something like that off.

Vlahovic is better than Kane ... at free kicks! But seriously he's good just been failed by the team and tactics at Juve.
I think if he came to the Prem he would thrive and be back to scoring goals like he did before his Juve move. Blame Juve more than DV as he is an excellent striker in my eyes. 

No fascists, nobody genocide-adjacent, no nothing like that. Villa are something of a national team for Birmingham, an exceptionally diverse city with a lot of Muslim people in it, and anybody who has anything to do with any of that Serb racial imperialism can't represent them.

So we can't have Serb nationalists who want Serbia to claim an area with lots of Muslims as their own play for us because we've claimed an area with lots of Muslims (admittedly more of whom are on board) as our own (and on top of that we now have bogus self-important notions of nationhood so presumably Coventry will need to up its defence spending)? 

Lots of Muslims in Birmingham are against homosexuality. Can they be part of this Villa nation conceit?
That's not really a valid comparison and I'm sure you understand why. But, for balance, racistly nationalist, homophobic, etc people from Birmingham can fuck off n all*.


* Actually I don't really mind people holding those views as long as they keep them in the privacy of their own home and don't flaunt it in front of others, yada yada yada ... :P
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, seeneeds, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Baldy on July 21, 2023, 05:40:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: VillaTim on July 21, 2023, 05:28:57 PM
Seems like your London media are looking to try and unsettle us

They are a weird bunch. It's a bit like, 'they have a great manager, great players, great owners, great support but, but, but it's only Aston Villa'!!! 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on July 21, 2023, 05:43:37 PM
			

			

				https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/1682430024861753353?s=46&t=0-BUXD66ovTcofwrbTW4Ag

We need to ditch Olsen before this window closes 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 21, 2023, 05:48:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bad English on July 21, 2023, 02:23:07 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 21, 2023, 02:08:20 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 21, 2023, 02:04:46 PM
He can fuck off and take his three fingers with him, in that case.

Indeed.
And now I'm singing
Three fingers on a street
Vlahovic still bleeding
No more Serbs that bleat
No more need to sign him.
Mitrovic also makes that celebration. 
And he's going to Saudi Arabia
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 21, 2023, 05:50:29 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 21, 2023, 05:48:18 PM
Quote from: Bad English on July 21, 2023, 02:23:07 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 21, 2023, 02:08:20 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 21, 2023, 02:04:46 PM
He can fuck off and take his three fingers with him, in that case.

Indeed.
And now I'm singing
Three fingers on a street
Vlahovic still bleeding
No more Serbs that bleat
No more need to sign him.
Mitrovic also makes that celebration. 
And he's going to Saudi Arabia

If I could point you in the direction of the away game against Fulham last season as evidence, Mitrovic is also a massive c***.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 21, 2023, 05:54:01 PM
			

			

				Yes I not a fan of his antics and having been made aware of Vlahovic after posting about his free kick ability and ability to score goals he's someone that has very different views to how seen but there is some context regards 3 fingers however the t shirt statement said it all.
So it's hard to forgive him about his strong beliefs 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on July 21, 2023, 05:57:31 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 21, 2023, 05:54:01 PM
Yes I not a fan of his antics and having been made aware of Vlahovic after posting about his free kick ability and ability to score goals he's someone that has very different views to how seen but there is some context regards 3 fingers however the t shirt statement said it all.
So it's hard to forgive him about his strong beliefs
Vlahovic showed 3 fingers
He's got his strong beliefs 
Vlahovic wore a T Shirt
He's got his strong beliefs 

Freed from desire!
Ethnic cleansing purified
Etc etc

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 21, 2023, 06:05:30 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 21, 2023, 05:48:18 PM
Quote from: Bad English on July 21, 2023, 02:23:07 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 21, 2023, 02:08:20 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 21, 2023, 02:04:46 PM
He can fuck off and take his three fingers with him, in that case.

Indeed.
And now I'm singing
Three fingers on a street
Vlahovic still bleeding
No more Serbs that bleat
No more need to sign him.
Mitrovic also makes that celebration. 
And he's going to Saudi Arabia

One of few places in the world where they don't stop at the three fingers, they have the whole hand off.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 21, 2023, 06:07:45 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 21, 2023, 05:43:37 PM
https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/1682430024861753353?s=46&t=0-BUXD66ovTcofwrbTW4Ag

We need to ditch Olsen before this window closes 

It's basically like he's not there.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on July 21, 2023, 06:22:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 21, 2023, 06:07:45 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 21, 2023, 05:43:37 PM
https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/1682430024861753353?s=46&t=0-BUXD66ovTcofwrbTW4Ag

We need to ditch Olsen before this window closes 

It's basically like he's not there.

I imagine opposing managers in their team talks say the same. “Lads Villa have decided to play with 10 outfield players and no keeper. Take lots of shots”
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 21, 2023, 06:25:23 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: lovejoy on July 21, 2023, 03:03:04 PM
Lots of footballers have a lot of dodgy views. Anyone who moved from Fioerntina to Juve is a wrong un in my book, Kosovo doesn't come in to it.

Ready made song as well...."BOOM, BOOM, BOOM, let me hear you say Vlaho...ovic."
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RamboandBruno on July 21, 2023, 06:54:56 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 21, 2023, 06:22:18 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 21, 2023, 06:07:45 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 21, 2023, 05:43:37 PM
https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/1682430024861753353?s=46&t=0-BUXD66ovTcofwrbTW4Ag

We need to ditch Olsen before this window closes 

It's basically like he's not there.

I imagine opposing managers in their team talks say the same. “Lads Villa have decided to play with 10 outfield players and no keeper. Take lots of shots”

He’s a bit like the kid who doesn’t really want to play in goal. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 21, 2023, 07:14:18 PM
			

			

				We were previously linked with Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang he's now moved to Marseille.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on July 21, 2023, 07:16:10 PM
			

			

				We were never linked with him on any serious site or through any legitimate or reputable source. Nonetheless, thank fuck
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 21, 2023, 07:22:15 PM
			

			

				Hause, Wesley, Davis, Traore how much can we expect to get for those that aren't going to be in summer series.

Could we get 30m ? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 21, 2023, 07:24:09 PM
			

			

				No. Traore maybe £7m, Davis £3m, Wesley £0m, Hause £2m.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 21, 2023, 07:25:03 PM
			

			

				Anyone heard rumours of Wesley possibly going to Watford on loan?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 21, 2023, 07:26:07 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on July 21, 2023, 07:24:09 PM
No. Traore maybe £7m, Davis £3m, Wesley £0m, Hause £2m.

So half of what could have wished for.
Wonder if Chambers and Sanson would depart if we bring in another midfielder and right back that would push it up to maybe 30m? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RamboandBruno on July 21, 2023, 07:32:30 PM
			

			

				I dont think we’ll be bringing in another right back. Chambers and Konsa to cover Cash if needed. Emery likes that lopsided defence thang. 
I reckon another forward type player and please for the love of God another goalie
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 21, 2023, 07:32:55 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 21, 2023, 07:14:18 PM
We were previously linked with Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang he's now moved to Marseille.

You’re a click-baiter’s dream.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 21, 2023, 07:35:35 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on July 21, 2023, 07:25:03 PM
Anyone heard rumours of Wesley possibly going to Watford on loan?

Wasn't that last season's rumour?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on July 21, 2023, 07:35:37 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 21, 2023, 07:22:15 PM
Hause, Wesley, Davis, Traore how much can we expect to get for those that aren't going to be in summer series.

Could we get 30m ? 
Yes, but only if clubs with names starting with Al come for them. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on July 21, 2023, 07:36:59 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: olaftab on July 21, 2023, 07:35:37 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 21, 2023, 07:22:15 PM
Hause, Wesley, Davis, Traore how much can we expect to get for those that aren't going to be in summer series.

Could we get 30m ? 
Yes, but only if clubs with names starting with Al come for them. 

Doubt it - seems to me their strategy is generally to tempt players with ludicrous salaries and basically low ball the transfer fees. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Lescottstweets on July 21, 2023, 07:42:59 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: olaftab on July 21, 2023, 07:35:37 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 21, 2023, 07:22:15 PM
Hause, Wesley, Davis, Traore how much can we expect to get for those that aren't going to be in summer series.

Could we get 30m ? 
Yes, but only if clubs with names starting with Al come for them.

Altrincham? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 21, 2023, 07:45:23 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 21, 2023, 07:32:55 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 21, 2023, 07:14:18 PM
We were previously linked with Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang he's now moved to Marseille.

You’re a click-baiter’s dream.

The facts are we've been looking for an A-list striker since January.
Watkins did improve undoubtedly, but there is still room for another as a central striker option.
So I predict a new incoming striker is unquestionably still on the table and our business is not done. 
Further signs point to this with the expected departures of strikers Wesley, Davis, and Traore.
So the discussion really is what are our current possibilities for a striker?

If we are looking at experience I think it's not a risk to take Lukaku as he's proven.
I also like Ferran Torres who can play across the front places.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on July 21, 2023, 07:48:43 PM
			

			

				Your first line is where it falls down. Aubameyang is not an “A list” striker anymore.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 21, 2023, 08:29:19 PM
			

			

				I struggle to think of any player worldwide with a worse attitude than Aubameyang, too.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on July 21, 2023, 08:32:53 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 21, 2023, 07:22:15 PM
Hause, Wesley, Davis, Traore how much can we expect to get for those that aren't going to be in summer series.

Could we get 30m ?

3m maybe. With their injuries I wouldn't be surprised if Hause and Wesley retired soon. Davis unfortunately for him can't stay consistently fit, showed his worth at Forest in the right team. We might get 3m for Traore. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on July 21, 2023, 08:35:38 PM
			

			

				It would be interesting to know if there was any truth to the rumour that we had done a deal for Tammy Abraham, which was scuppered by his cruciate injury. If and it’s a big if, it was true, they could resurrect that deal in January and give Cam a chance in the meantime. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on July 21, 2023, 08:37:16 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: RamboandBruno on July 21, 2023, 07:32:30 PM
I dont think we’ll be bringing in another right back. Chambers and Konsa to cover Cash if needed. Emery likes that lopsided defence thang. 
I reckon another forward type player and please for the love of God another goalie
Think your right on rb - unless we move some more people on. 

Goalie is essential - if Emi is injured our only sensible option is to play rush goalie. 

Happy to start a whip round if needed. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on July 21, 2023, 09:00:00 PM
			

			

				Some likely nonsensical chatter again around Vlahovic. I mean for a second I can but dream. A front line of Diaby, Doku and Vlahovic and I might tug myself into a coma.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Pete3206 on July 21, 2023, 09:00:32 PM
			

			

				The goalkeeper situation worries me. If Martinez gets injured we are screwed. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on July 21, 2023, 09:02:50 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Pete3206 on July 21, 2023, 09:00:32 PM
The goalkeeper situation worries me. If Martinez gets injured we are screwed. 

Surely even Olsen can’t concede 10 goals in one game can he? We will be battering teams this season by at least 7 or 8. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on July 21, 2023, 09:09:28 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Pete3206 on July 21, 2023, 09:00:32 PM
The goalkeeper situation worries me. If Martinez gets injured we are screwed.
Even Emery seems very unsure given we had 2 keepers on the bench most of the time .
We need to get shot of Olsen asap he's absolute garbage and unnerves the whole backline and stadium bar the away end 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: N'ZMAV on July 21, 2023, 09:11:04 PM
			

			

				Olsen is dog shit - if Martinez gets injured or banned it would be easier to forefit the games 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SoccerHQ on July 21, 2023, 09:11:15 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on July 21, 2023, 08:35:38 PM
It would be interesting to know if there was any truth to the rumour that we had done a deal for Tammy Abraham, which was scuppered by his cruciate injury. If and it’s a big if, it was true, they could resurrect that deal in January and give Cam a chance in the meantime. 

Tammy's out for pretty much the whole season I think.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: lovejoy on July 21, 2023, 09:13:01 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 21, 2023, 08:29:19 PM
I struggle to think of any player worldwide with a worse attitude than Aubameyang, too.

Neymar 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 21, 2023, 09:15:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: lovejoy on July 21, 2023, 09:13:01 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 21, 2023, 08:29:19 PM
I struggle to think of any player worldwide with a worse attitude than Aubameyang, too.

Neymar 

I struggle to think of any players worldwide with a worse attitude than Aubameyang and Neymar, too.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 21, 2023, 09:21:03 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 21, 2023, 09:00:00 PM
Some likely nonsensical chatter again around Vlahovic. I mean for a second I can but dream. A front line of Diaby, Doku and Vlahovic and I might tug myself into a coma.
Doku, in my opinion, would be great and pick him at 25m and add odds rather than Johnson at 45m and add ons.
Doku has extraordinary potential,  and it would be a coup to get him.
Can play either wide and both feet it would be dreamy just having him! 

I believe there have been eyes on an A-list striker arriving as reports have mentioned Felix, Lukaku, and Vlahovic and others.

Ferran Torres is the intriguing player, but he might not want to come likes Asensio and Felix because of no champions league. 

I think a statement signing for a forward is the ideal plan but that's proving a tough challenge.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: N'ZMAV on July 21, 2023, 09:23:06 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 21, 2023, 09:00:00 PM
Some likely nonsensical chatter again around Vlahovic. I mean for a second I can but dream. A front line of Diaby, Doku and Vlahovic and I might tug myself into a coma.
 it has nothing on Scott Sinclair, Adam Traore and Rudy Gestede 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 21, 2023, 09:23:42 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 21, 2023, 09:15:18 PM
Quote from: lovejoy on July 21, 2023, 09:13:01 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 21, 2023, 08:29:19 PM
I struggle to think of any player worldwide with a worse attitude than Aubameyang, too.

Neymar 

I struggle to think of any players worldwide with a worse attitude than Aubameyang and Neymar, too.
Attitude on or off the pitch?
Neymar antics on the pitch unrivalled and can be irksome but he's a world class player, footy skilled entertainer and superstar.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 21, 2023, 09:25:24 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: N'ZMAV on July 21, 2023, 09:23:06 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 21, 2023, 09:00:00 PM
Some likely nonsensical chatter again around Vlahovic. I mean for a second I can but dream. A front line of Diaby, Doku and Vlahovic and I might tug myself into a coma.
 it has nothing on Scott Sinclair, Adam Traore and Rudy Gestede
Ross McCorrmack promised much as a big championship A lister striker it was a statement but s failure.


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 21, 2023, 09:34:55 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 21, 2023, 09:23:42 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 21, 2023, 09:15:18 PM
Quote from: lovejoy on July 21, 2023, 09:13:01 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 21, 2023, 08:29:19 PM
I struggle to think of any player worldwide with a worse attitude than Aubameyang, too.

Neymar 

I struggle to think of any players worldwide with a worse attitude than Aubameyang and Neymar, too.
Attitude on or off the pitch?
Neymar antics on the pitch unrivalled and can be irksome but he's a world class player, footy skilled entertainer and superstar.

And a massive distraction to the club he's playing for.

We don't need that.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 21, 2023, 09:41:54 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 21, 2023, 09:34:55 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 21, 2023, 09:23:42 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 21, 2023, 09:15:18 PM
Quote from: lovejoy on July 21, 2023, 09:13:01 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 21, 2023, 08:29:19 PM
I struggle to think of any player worldwide with a worse attitude than Aubameyang, too.

Neymar 

I struggle to think of any players worldwide with a worse attitude than Aubameyang and Neymar, too.
Attitude on or off the pitch?
Neymar antics on the pitch unrivalled and can be irksome but he's a world class player, footy skilled entertainer and superstar.

And a massive distraction to the club he's playing for.

We don't need that.
Yes he gave Unai all sorts of problems . Before Mbappe it was Neymar ran the team and Emery had hard task.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 21, 2023, 09:43:23 PM
			

			

				Ever since January Unai Emery has wanted a statement signing that speical someone who scores goals and makes that difference up front.
I think it's more than Diaby or Doku.
The patience hopefully will pay off.


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on July 21, 2023, 09:49:14 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 21, 2023, 09:43:23 PM
Ever since January Unai Emery has wanted a statement signing that speical someone who scores goals and makes that difference up front.
I think it's more than Diaby or Doku.
The patience hopefully will pay off.
PSG have just announced Mbappe is for sale!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: luke95 on July 21, 2023, 09:49:57 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: lovejoy on July 21, 2023, 09:13:01 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 21, 2023, 08:29:19 PM
I struggle to think of any player worldwide with a worse attitude than Aubameyang, too.

Neymar 
Pogba ?
Lingard ?

Between themselves they ruined United .
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on July 21, 2023, 09:54:54 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 21, 2023, 09:43:23 PM
Ever since January Unai Emery has wanted a statement signing that speical someone who scores goals and makes that difference up front.
I think it's more than Diaby or Doku.
The patience hopefully will pay off.
We need another Nr 9 , if we get Doku we are sorted for pace on the wings which is exciting 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on July 21, 2023, 09:55:16 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 21, 2023, 09:43:23 PM
Ever since January Unai Emery has wanted a statement signing that speical someone who scores goals and makes that difference up front.
I think it's more than Diaby or Doku.
The patience hopefully will pay off.



When did he say that? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villatillidie25 on July 21, 2023, 09:55:44 PM
			

			

				Do people really think we’re going to sign Diaby, Doku and a top notch centre forward? That feels like a lot to me!! 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on July 21, 2023, 09:57:16 PM
			

			

				I think he did say he wanted another striker. Not sure he mentioned anything about a statement signing. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 21, 2023, 10:02:13 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: luke95 on July 21, 2023, 09:49:57 PM
Quote from: lovejoy on July 21, 2023, 09:13:01 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 21, 2023, 08:29:19 PM
I struggle to think of any player worldwide with a worse attitude than Aubameyang, too.

Neymar 
Pogba ?
Lingard ?

Between themselves they ruined United .

Who?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 21, 2023, 10:04:35 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 21, 2023, 10:02:13 PM
Quote from: luke95 on July 21, 2023, 09:49:57 PM
Quote from: lovejoy on July 21, 2023, 09:13:01 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 21, 2023, 08:29:19 PM
I struggle to think of any player worldwide with a worse attitude than Aubameyang, too.

Neymar 
Pogba ?
Lingard ?

Between themselves they ruined United .

Who?

Oh god, not again!!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on July 21, 2023, 10:04:52 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Villatillidie25 on July 21, 2023, 09:55:44 PM
Do people really think we’re going to sign Diaby, Doku and a top notch centre forward? That feels like a lot to me!!
Probably not , we haven't got Diaby confirmed yet. I think the unknown is who is leaving and if any big money might be coming in to fund some of this 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on July 21, 2023, 10:05:51 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Behind Bluenose Lines on July 21, 2023, 09:49:14 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 21, 2023, 09:43:23 PM
Ever since January Unai Emery has wanted a statement signing that speical someone who scores goals and makes that difference up front.
I think it's more than Diaby or Doku.
The patience hopefully will pay off.
PSG have just announced Mbappe is for sale!

I mean…I wouldn’t say no…right?




(https://i.ibb.co/3pn2j7q/IMG-7888.jpg) (https://ibb.co/3pn2j7q)

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on July 21, 2023, 10:06:43 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 21, 2023, 10:04:35 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 21, 2023, 10:02:13 PM
Quote from: luke95 on July 21, 2023, 09:49:57 PM
Quote from: lovejoy on July 21, 2023, 09:13:01 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 21, 2023, 08:29:19 PM
I struggle to think of any player worldwide with a worse attitude than Aubameyang, too.

Neymar 
Pogba ?
Lingard ?

Between themselves they ruined United .

Who?

Oh god, not again!!
Ffs.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 21, 2023, 10:08:23 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 21, 2023, 10:05:51 PM
Quote from: Behind Bluenose Lines on July 21, 2023, 09:49:14 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 21, 2023, 09:43:23 PM
Ever since January Unai Emery has wanted a statement signing that speical someone who scores goals and makes that difference up front.
I think it's more than Diaby or Doku.
The patience hopefully will pay off.
PSG have just announced Mbappe is for sale!

I mean…I wouldn’t say no…right?




(https://i.ibb.co/3pn2j7q/IMG-7888.jpg) (https://ibb.co/3pn2j7q)


He is another tedious ******, I honestly could not give a flying fuck who he plays for.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ads on July 21, 2023, 10:09:15 PM
			

			

				My wish list would be;

Back up keeper, another right back, another wide player and maybe a centre forward, see how Cam gets on.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 21, 2023, 10:09:21 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 21, 2023, 09:55:16 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 21, 2023, 09:43:23 PM
Ever since January Unai Emery has wanted a statement signing that speical someone who scores goals and makes that difference up front.
I think it's more than Diaby or Doku.
The patience hopefully will pay off.



When did he say that?
In January in press conferences and interviews regards getting a striker  as well as reporters summising that it would be a statement signing.

We're certainly trying and everyone knows there's no lack of ambition and now have the elite manager it makes all the reason this is a special summer of Villa love.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 21, 2023, 10:11:33 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 21, 2023, 10:08:23 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 21, 2023, 10:05:51 PM
Quote from: Behind Bluenose Lines on July 21, 2023, 09:49:14 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 21, 2023, 09:43:23 PM
Ever since January Unai Emery has wanted a statement signing that speical someone who scores goals and makes that difference up front.
I think it's more than Diaby or Doku.
The patience hopefully will pay off.
PSG have just announced Mbappe is for sale!

I mean…I wouldn’t say no…right?




(https://i.ibb.co/3pn2j7q/IMG-7888.jpg) (https://ibb.co/3pn2j7q)


He is another tedious ******, I honestly could not give a flying fuck who he plays for.
The only reason he wouldn't join our revolution is the animosity between him and Martinez. Emi insulted him with a doll he had of him theres a lot from the fall out fron the greatest World Cup final ever seen.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on July 21, 2023, 10:15:42 PM
			

			

				The ONLY reason? I can think of many, many more reasons he wouldn’t join us before we get to a nothing issue with Martinez. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 21, 2023, 10:20:11 PM
			

			

				Can anyone who isn't an oil state afford Mbappe? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 21, 2023, 10:27:02 PM
			

			

				Real Madrid ?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: CT Villan on July 21, 2023, 10:28:38 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: luke95 on July 21, 2023, 09:49:57 PM
Pogba ?
Lingard ?

Between themselves they ruined United .
 
Surely CR7 would top that list ?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on July 21, 2023, 10:33:51 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 21, 2023, 10:20:11 PM
Can anyone who isn't an oil state afford Mbappe?
Interpol Miami. Some dodgy things there surely 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 21, 2023, 10:39:01 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on July 21, 2023, 01:52:29 PM
Probably same category as João Félix, Ferran Torres or Asensio. Would be fantastic if it came off but probably unrealistic for right now. 

Whilst I agree with this, I am still pleased that we are aiming high. If we get one of these slightly unrealistic targets this season, then we will find it easier in future seasons. Think we may well pull a rabbit out of the hat this season, that will surely be part of Monchi's brief.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 21, 2023, 10:40:47 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on July 21, 2023, 05:17:44 PM
Quote from: Monty on July 21, 2023, 05:07:43 PM
Quote from: LeeB on July 21, 2023, 05:01:56 PM
Any particular reason for the ire? 

Venice-Genoa thing. They didn't like each other 800 years ago and around here that's more than enough.

Also, charlatan, Serb nationalism in Kosovo involves genocide denial. There it is.

Sounds a bit like Shard End and Castle Brom, understood. The Italian bit, not the genocide denial.

*nods*

That's my part of Brum, made me chuckle. Can't say I miss it much.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bad English on July 21, 2023, 10:50:48 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 21, 2023, 10:11:33 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 21, 2023, 10:08:23 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 21, 2023, 10:05:51 PM
Quote from: Behind Bluenose Lines on July 21, 2023, 09:49:14 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 21, 2023, 09:43:23 PM
Ever since January Unai Emery has wanted a statement signing that speical someone who scores goals and makes that difference up front.
I think it's more than Diaby or Doku.
The patience hopefully will pay off.
PSG have just announced Mbappe is for sale!

I mean…I wouldn’t say no…right?




(https://i.ibb.co/3pn2j7q/IMG-7888.jpg) (https://ibb.co/3pn2j7q)


He is another tedious ******, I honestly could not give a flying fuck who he plays for.
The only reason he wouldn't join our revolution is the animosity between him and Martinez. Emi insulted him with a doll he had of him theres a lot from the fall out fron the greatest World Cup final ever seen.
What 'animosity'? Mbappe doesn't give a toss about Emi's antics. Where do you get this from?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on July 21, 2023, 10:56:19 PM
			

			

				Mbappé is the most talented player I know of, and I really, honestly wouldn't want him at Villa.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on July 21, 2023, 11:14:08 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bad English on July 21, 2023, 10:50:48 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 21, 2023, 10:11:33 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 21, 2023, 10:08:23 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 21, 2023, 10:05:51 PM
Quote from: Behind Bluenose Lines on July 21, 2023, 09:49:14 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 21, 2023, 09:43:23 PM
Ever since January Unai Emery has wanted a statement signing that speical someone who scores goals and makes that difference up front.
I think it's more than Diaby or Doku.
The patience hopefully will pay off.
PSG have just announced Mbappe is for sale!

I mean…I wouldn’t say no…right?




(https://i.ibb.co/3pn2j7q/IMG-7888.jpg) (https://ibb.co/3pn2j7q)


He is another tedious ******, I honestly could not give a flying fuck who he plays for.
The only reason he wouldn't join our revolution is the animosity between him and Martinez. Emi insulted him with a doll he had of him theres a lot from the fall out fron the greatest World Cup final ever seen.
What 'animosity'? Mbappe doesn't give a toss about Emi's antics. Where do you get this from?

You don’t really want the answer to that question so you?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on July 21, 2023, 11:22:09 PM
			

			

				Squad improvement/ Building. 
When you regularly have a bench when you bring someone on as good or better than the player coming off then you compete at top end business end . We are hopefully getting closer to this 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on July 21, 2023, 11:27:52 PM
			

			

				Watford forums seem to think they are getting Wesley on loan
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on July 21, 2023, 11:57:59 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Gareth on July 21, 2023, 11:27:52 PM
Watford forums seem to think they are getting Wesley on loan

Let’s hope they’re right! 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RamboandBruno on July 22, 2023, 12:13:19 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 21, 2023, 10:11:33 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 21, 2023, 10:08:23 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 21, 2023, 10:05:51 PM
Quote from: Behind Bluenose Lines on July 21, 2023, 09:49:14 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 21, 2023, 09:43:23 PM
Ever since January Unai Emery has wanted a statement signing that speical someone who scores goals and makes that difference up front.
I think it's more than Diaby or Doku.
The patience hopefully will pay off.
PSG have just announced Mbappe is for sale!

I mean…I wouldn’t say no…right?




(https://i.ibb.co/3pn2j7q/IMG-7888.jpg) (https://ibb.co/3pn2j7q)


He is another tedious ******, I honestly could not give a flying fuck who he plays for.
The only reason he wouldn't join our revolution is the animosity between him and Martinez. Emi insulted him with a doll he had of him theres a lot from the fall out fron the greatest World Cup final ever seen.

Im sorry footy, i do try and hold off, but this is really a load of old bollix
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SoccerHQ on July 22, 2023, 12:24:59 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Villatillidie25 on July 21, 2023, 09:55:44 PM
Do people really think we’re going to sign Diaby, Doku and a top notch centre forward? That feels like a lot to me!! 

I think Diaby and we're sorted upfront as he can slot in if Ollie is out for any reason and Cam can be that last half hour off the bench type. Fully expect Duran to go out on loan in next two weeks.

We're in nice position of Doku being a development signing if we peruse interest in him as unlike many other summers he won't be seen as our attacking saviour so can be eased in through the Europa and league cup.

I really like how we're building this summer, usually we sign endless squad fillers and then panic or take too long to secure players who would actually improve the first team and then choose wrong options but the business so far has been a breath of fresh air.

August is all about filling in the gaps so a decent back up keeper and another FB is what I'm expecting.

Left back is the only area of concern for me if Digne picks up a knock in pre season (and based on his time so far he's not the most durable of players). No idea who we play at LB with Moreno missing start of season if that happens as just sticking CBs there won't work for every game.

Looks like Konsa will cover for Cash on the other side.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on July 22, 2023, 12:57:01 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 21, 2023, 08:29:19 PM
I struggle to think of any player worldwide with a worse attitude than Aubameyang, too.

Mbappe. Look how he's giving PSG the runaround, and that's his hometown club.


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 22, 2023, 12:58:47 AM
			

			

				The last 3 clubs Aubemeyang has been at couldn't wait to get rid of him. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on July 22, 2023, 01:02:36 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 22, 2023, 12:58:47 AM
The last 3 clubs Aubemeyang has been at couldn't wait to get rid of him.

Barca didn't want rid of him did they? Don't think it was an attitude thing at Chelsea either.

Arsenal fair enough. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 22, 2023, 01:27:51 AM
			

			

				Barcelona got rid of him after 6 months. Chelsea let him leave for nowt after 1 season where he hardly played and wasn't even included in the CL knockout squad. He's on his 4th club since the start of 2022, including Arsenal.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 22, 2023, 01:31:21 AM
			

			

				He also apologised for his behaviour at Dortmund after he left because he forced the move by missing sessions and meetings. I'm confident he is a bell.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on July 22, 2023, 04:48:13 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on July 21, 2023, 11:57:59 PM
Quote from: Gareth on July 21, 2023, 11:27:52 PM
Watford forums seem to think they are getting Wesley on loan

Let’s hope they’re right!

I hope for his sake that he can get his career back on track. 

Ben Mee should be sued for his career altering assault.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Hookeysmith on July 22, 2023, 07:53:30 AM
			

			

				Looking at Doku showreel he is predominantly another left footed wide player? 
Surely we have Diaby and Bailey for that role?

Does look like a little powerhouse though
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on July 22, 2023, 10:26:14 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pablo_picasso on July 22, 2023, 04:48:13 AM
Quote from: Steve67 on July 21, 2023, 11:57:59 PM
Quote from: Gareth on July 21, 2023, 11:27:52 PM
Watford forums seem to think they are getting Wesley on loan

Let’s hope they’re right!

I hope for his sake that he can get his career back on track. 

Ben Mee should be sued for his career altering assault.

Yeah, wish the bloke well and it would be interesting to see how he does if he goes there.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 22, 2023, 10:27:40 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Hookeysmith on July 22, 2023, 07:53:30 AM
Looking at Doku showreel he is predominantly another left footed wide player? 
Surely we have Diaby and Bailey for that role?

Does look like a little powerhouse though
Doku can use both feet and plays both wide positions.
Potential to be one of the best in the world.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Hookeysmith on July 22, 2023, 11:19:47 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 22, 2023, 10:27:40 AM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on July 22, 2023, 07:53:30 AM
Looking at Doku showreel he is predominantly another left footed wide player? 
Surely we have Diaby and Bailey for that role?

Does look like a little powerhouse though
Doku can use both feet and plays both wide positions.
Potential to be one of the best in the world.

Then let's go get him.

Any id3as about the Diaby timeliness.

Is he due a medical?
Will he fly to UK to sign?
Will he fly to US?
Will he get a run out in some of the US games.

Always nervous until they sign
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on July 22, 2023, 12:26:14 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Hookeysmith on July 22, 2023, 07:53:30 AM
Looking at Doku showreel he is predominantly another left footed wide player? 
Surely we have Diaby and Bailey for that role?

Does look like a little powerhouse though

He's naturally right footed but comfortable with both...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on July 22, 2023, 12:27:20 PM
			

			

				Doku would be another huge Bailey upgrade
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on July 22, 2023, 01:25:51 PM
			

			

				Fear the Villa!

https://twitter.com/chelsearory/status/1682340291066339328?s=46&t=sBkuxyby8YqJXNlWFK9bBA
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 22, 2023, 01:39:34 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on July 22, 2023, 01:25:51 PM
Fear the Villa!

https://twitter.com/chelsearory/status/1682340291066339328?s=46&t=sBkuxyby8YqJXNlWFK9bBA

Assuming none of the stories about people sniffing round Emi, Dougie, Kamara, and Watkins are true, and we don't lose any of them this window, along with the additions we've made already, that seems like a fair assessment. We have a really good squad with options for rotation, and we're coming off a very positive few months last season. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 22, 2023, 01:45:55 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on July 22, 2023, 01:25:51 PM
Fear the Villa!

https://twitter.com/chelsearory/status/1682340291066339328?s=46&t=sBkuxyby8YqJXNlWFK9bBA


The owners said champs league football in 5 years ..

Not far off , six would be fine by me .  

What great times to be a villain 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on July 22, 2023, 01:48:22 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on July 22, 2023, 01:45:55 PM
Quote from: Smirker on July 22, 2023, 01:25:51 PM
Fear the Villa!

https://twitter.com/chelsearory/status/1682340291066339328?s=46&t=sBkuxyby8YqJXNlWFK9bBA

The owners said champs league football in 5 years ..

Not far off , six would be fine by me .  

What great times to be a villain

Could actually have been five years were it not for Gerrard. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 22, 2023, 01:49:01 PM
			

			

				Didn't they say Europe in 5 years?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on July 22, 2023, 01:49:11 PM
			

			

				He said 5th get a Champions League spot this season. 

Why is that?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on July 22, 2023, 01:50:08 PM
			

			

				Yep we lost a year with Gerrard in charge, the colossal fucking useless bell end. But Europe in 5 and CL in 6 would be brilliant. Or even Europa would be a great achievement 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on July 22, 2023, 01:50:58 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pablo_picasso on July 22, 2023, 01:49:11 PM
He said 5th get a Champions League spot this season. 

Why is that?

Expansion to offset Super League threats. England gets an extra spot because of coefficient. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on July 22, 2023, 01:51:15 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 22, 2023, 01:50:08 PM
Yep we lost a year with Gerrard in charge, the colossal fucking useless bell end. But Europe in 5 and CL in 6 would be brilliant. Or even Europa would be a great achievement 

Emery wouldn't have been available the year before though so, as shit as he was, it led to us getting a proper world class manager.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on July 22, 2023, 01:52:43 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on July 22, 2023, 01:51:15 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 22, 2023, 01:50:08 PM
Yep we lost a year with Gerrard in charge, the colossal fucking useless bell end. But Europe in 5 and CL in 6 would be brilliant. Or even Europa would be a great achievement 

Emery wouldn't have been available the year before though so, as shit as he was, it led to us getting a proper world class manager.

No probably not, but there was better than Gerrard. That said, firing Gerrard, why and when we did got us Emery. It worked out just as Whelan missing that late penalty got us Deano. Sometimes things just happen for a reason.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on July 22, 2023, 01:54:01 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 22, 2023, 01:50:58 PM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on July 22, 2023, 01:49:11 PM
He said 5th get a Champions League spot this season. 

Why is that?

Expansion to offset Super League threats. England gets an extra spot because of coefficient.

Oh, excellent. 

I hadn't heard that... 👍
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on July 22, 2023, 02:00:00 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pablo_picasso on July 22, 2023, 01:54:01 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 22, 2023, 01:50:58 PM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on July 22, 2023, 01:49:11 PM
He said 5th get a Champions League spot this season. 

Why is that?

Expansion to offset Super League threats. England gets an extra spot because of coefficient.

Oh, excellent. 

I hadn't heard that... 👍

I believe it becomes 4 automatic spots and the 5th via an extra round or something of qualifying against a team from Azerbaijan or something. So essentially 5.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: KevinGage on July 22, 2023, 02:34:16 PM
			

			

				Last I heard it was five spots available, but not to all teams who finish 1-5. 

The fifth spot will be given to the English team with the highest European coefficient who weren't good enough to qualify that year. 

Maybe they've changed it again. 

Edit: As above. 


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 22, 2023, 02:41:42 PM
			

			

				Nah it just goes to 5th place as far as I'm aware.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villatillidie25 on July 22, 2023, 03:24:30 PM
			

			

				It’s the two leagues with the highest coefficients get an extra place. That’s been England 6 out of the last 10 years and 4 out of the last 5. Assuming that continues, basically means it’s 5 English teams going forwards. 

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ads on July 22, 2023, 03:49:32 PM
			

			

				Adding both Diaby and Doku into the attacking picture with Phil perhaps having better fitness luck and Archer, would be a significant upgrade on the attacking options of just Ollie, Buendia, JJ and Bailey.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ger Regan on July 22, 2023, 03:52:01 PM
			

			

				At what point do the homegrown rules become something to consider in our signings?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 22, 2023, 03:54:47 PM
			

			

				It's reported the Dingles have put in a €18m offer for Mateo Retegui. Right now it's Wolverhampton or Genoa. At that price it would be rude not to make an offer.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 22, 2023, 03:57:31 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 22, 2023, 02:00:00 PM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on July 22, 2023, 01:54:01 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 22, 2023, 01:50:58 PM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on July 22, 2023, 01:49:11 PM
He said 5th get a Champions League spot this season. 

Why is that?

Expansion to offset Super League threats. England gets an extra spot because of coefficient.

Oh, excellent. 

I hadn't heard that... 👍

I believe it becomes 4 automatic spots and the 5th via an extra round or something of qualifying against a team from Azerbaijan or something. So essentially 5.

Quote from: KevinGage on July 22, 2023, 02:34:16 PM
Last I heard it was five spots available, but not to all teams who finish 1-5. 

The fifth spot will be given to the English team with the highest European coefficient who weren't good enough to qualify that year. 

Maybe they've changed it again. 

Edit: As above. 



Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on July 22, 2023, 02:41:42 PM
Nah it just goes to 5th place as far as I'm aware.
This is why I brought the Champions League restructuring thread back into play.
It's all there and I had the foresight to bring about the discussion again after over 120 days yet still we find the transfer thread being polluted.
I mean I try and help out here by offering an assists but seems unwilling to take the chances and score

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Axl Rose on July 22, 2023, 03:58:40 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 22, 2023, 03:57:31 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 22, 2023, 02:00:00 PM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on July 22, 2023, 01:54:01 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 22, 2023, 01:50:58 PM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on July 22, 2023, 01:49:11 PM
He said 5th get a Champions League spot this season. 

Why is that?

Expansion to offset Super League threats. England gets an extra spot because of coefficient.

Oh, excellent. 

I hadn't heard that... 👍

I believe it becomes 4 automatic spots and the 5th via an extra round or something of qualifying against a team from Azerbaijan or something. So essentially 5.
This is why I brought the Champions League restructuring thread back into play.
It's all there and I had the foresight to bring about the discussion again after over 120 days yet still we find the transfer thread being polluted.
I mean I try and help out here by offering an assists but seems unwilling to take the chances and score


Oh dear
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 22, 2023, 03:59:34 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on July 22, 2023, 01:48:22 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on July 22, 2023, 01:45:55 PM
Quote from: Smirker on July 22, 2023, 01:25:51 PM
Fear the Villa!

https://twitter.com/chelsearory/status/1682340291066339328?s=46&t=sBkuxyby8YqJXNlWFK9bBA

The owners said champs league football in 5 years ..

Not far off , six would be fine by me .  

What great times to be a villain

Could actually have been five years were it not for Gerrard. 

I was thinking that Smirker but we wouldnt have got Emery that summer but if we had we would 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 22, 2023, 04:00:08 PM
			

			

				Well I can't being ahead of the ball and putting things out there ,flagging things up yet people be oblivious

What more can be done.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dave.woodhall on July 22, 2023, 04:02:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 22, 2023, 04:00:08 PM
Well I can't being ahead of the ball and putting things out there ,flagging things up yet people be oblivious

What more can be done.


Perhaps you could give the rest of us lessons?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: KevinGage on July 22, 2023, 04:03:08 PM
			

			

				You're wasted here mate. 

Have you spoken to your agent about a move to Villa Talk?  Or maybe one of the big Saudi football chatrooms. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Axl Rose on July 22, 2023, 04:03:21 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 22, 2023, 04:00:08 PM
Well I can't being ahead of the ball and putting things out there ,flagging things up yet people be oblivious

What more can be done.


Diluting the self importance, perhaps?

I don't know, footy mate. You seem to post anything you want to on any thread you see fit, yet describe others doing so as polluting.

I dunno, maybe I'm just being grumpy.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 22, 2023, 04:06:34 PM
			

			

				One half of Skys ITK transfer doubke act Dharmesh Sheth says Fulham are signing Southampton defender Mohammed Salisu. 
Villa were linked with him but Pau and Mings are far better left sided central defenders.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 22, 2023, 04:10:12 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: KevinGage on July 22, 2023, 04:03:08 PM
You're wasted here mate. 

Have you spoken to your agent about a move to Villa Talk?  Or maybe one of the big Saudi football chatrooms.
Speaking of Saudi business, have you heard that a number of Premier League clubs are now criticising Newcastle for their method of selling Allan Saint-Maximin to pay for the transfer of Barnes and are requesting an investigation from the Premier League. I hope they get docked points along with Man City and Cheslea.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SaddVillan on July 22, 2023, 04:14:27 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Axl Rose on July 22, 2023, 03:58:40 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 22, 2023, 03:57:31 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 22, 2023, 02:00:00 PM


Quote from: pablo_picasso on July 22, 2023, 01:54:01 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 22, 2023, 01:50:58 PM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on July 22, 2023, 01:49:11 PM
He said 5th get a Champions League spot this season. 

Why is that?

Expansion to offset Super League threats. England gets an extra spot because of coefficient.

Oh, excellent. 

I hadn't heard that... 👍

I believe it becomes 4 automatic spots and the 5th via an extra round or something of qualifying against a team from Azerbaijan or something. So essentially 5.
This is why I brought the Champions League restructuring thread back into play.
It's all there and I had the foresight to bring about the discussion again after over 120 days yet still we find the transfer thread being polluted.
I mean I try and help out here by offering an assists but seems unwilling to take the chances and score


Oh dear

This is from the UEFA website. Make if it  what you will.

The four additional places created by the increase from 32 to 36 teams in the league phase of the UEFA Champions League will be allocated as follows:

• One place will go to the club ranked third in the championship of the association in fifth position in the UEFA national association ranking.

• One place will be awarded to a domestic champion by extending from four to five the number of clubs qualifying via the so-called “Champions Path”.

• The final two places will go to the associations with the best collective performance by their clubs in the previous season (total number of points obtained divided by the number of participating clubs). Those two associations will earn one place for the club best ranked in the domestic league behind the UEFA Champions League positions

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 22, 2023, 04:15:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on July 22, 2023, 03:54:47 PM
It's reported the Dingles have put in a €18m offer for Mateo Retegui. Right now it's Wolverhampton or Genoa. At that price it would be rude not to make an offer.

I was reading about him yesterday and apparently he doesn't speak a word of Italian. Would be much happier here with all the Spanish speakers, I'm sure. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 22, 2023, 04:22:47 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 22, 2023, 04:15:18 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on July 22, 2023, 03:54:47 PM
It's reported the Dingles have put in a €18m offer for Mateo Retegui. Right now it's Wolverhampton or Genoa. At that price it would be rude not to make an offer.

I was reading about him yesterday and apparently he doesn't speak a word of Italian. Would be much happier here with all the Spanish speakers, I'm sure. 

I think I'd be happier if he spoke Italian too. If he wants to continue playing for the national side speaking the language is going to help. Not everybody is as good as Matty Cash whereby you don't need to speak the language. We just need to find him an Italian tutor (Paulie?) and get Emi to give him a call.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 22, 2023, 04:23:20 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 22, 2023, 04:02:18 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 22, 2023, 04:00:08 PM
Well I can't being ahead of the ball and putting things out there ,flagging things up yet people be oblivious

What more can be done.


Perhaps you could give the rest of us lessons?
I'm not sure if these things can be taught and I certainly lack in many other areas
And  sorry it's just there's a reasonable champions league thread that has resurfaced and its not being used.

I don't think I'll ever fanthom others human behaviour as AI and robots would place the writings in the correct category.
I agree to live and let type on what is going where and shh the Heck up at risk of being a Karen.

We move on


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 22, 2023, 04:28:00 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Axl Rose on July 22, 2023, 04:03:21 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 22, 2023, 04:00:08 PM
Well I can't being ahead of the ball and putting things out there ,flagging things up yet people be oblivious

What more can be done.



Diluting the self importance, perhaps?

I don't know, footy mate. You seem to post anything you want to on any thread you see fit, yet describe others doing so as polluting.

I dunno, maybe I'm just being grumpy.
Noted. 
It's different my posts are not the same  but I understand your and others' points, and I won't ever now pipe up on any posts that deviate from the thread's subject or direct people to the best places to post for clarity and structured conversation.
I need to realise that not everyone values and reads the same way I do. I'm very simple in how I like to read threads that's all.
Apologies and thank you. We move on.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 22, 2023, 04:28:39 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 22, 2023, 04:15:18 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on July 22, 2023, 03:54:47 PM
It's reported the Dingles have put in a €18m offer for Mateo Retegui. Right now it's Wolverhampton or Genoa. At that price it would be rude not to make an offer.

I was reading about him yesterday and apparently he doesn't speak a word of Italian. Would be much happier here with all the Spanish speakers, I'm sure. 

It doesn't take long for a native-Spanish speaker to pick up Italian.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 22, 2023, 04:31:22 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 22, 2023, 04:28:00 PM
Quote from: Axl Rose on July 22, 2023, 04:03:21 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 22, 2023, 04:00:08 PM
Well I can't being ahead of the ball and putting things out there ,flagging things up yet people be oblivious

What more can be done.



Diluting the self importance, perhaps?

I don't know, footy mate. You seem to post anything you want to on any thread you see fit, yet describe others doing so as polluting.

I dunno, maybe I'm just being grumpy.
Noted. 
It's different my posts are not the same  but I understand your and others' points, and I won't ever now pipe up on any posts that deviate from the thread's subject or direct people to the best places to post for clarity and structured conversation.
I need to realise that not everyone values and reads the same way I do. I'm very simple in how I like to read threads that's all.
Apologies and thank you. We move on.

What's your favourite doughnut filling? Probably custard for me.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 22, 2023, 04:33:13 PM
			

			

				Emi said he was trying to tap up some of his Argentinian team mates, was this said in jest or could there be one incoming?

If so who?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on July 22, 2023, 04:37:04 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 22, 2023, 03:57:31 PM
This is why I brought the Champions League restructuring thread back into play.
It's all there and I had the foresight to bring about the discussion again after over 120 days yet still we find the transfer thread being polluted.
I mean I try and help out here by offering an assists but seems unwilling to take the chances and score

Pollute? 🤨

No offence, but I will ask whatever questions I like, in whatever thread I like, as long as I am not asking something so out there, like what is the square root of the colour eight? that it takes the discussion into another dimension...

Sometimes it is incredibly difficult to hold ones tongue.

...Especially when one has a hairline trigger temper.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on July 22, 2023, 04:38:15 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 22, 2023, 04:00:08 PM
Well I can't being ahead of the ball and putting things out there ,flagging things up yet people be oblivious

What more can be done.

You can shut the fuck up & let us find out organically... 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on July 22, 2023, 04:48:31 PM
			

			

				And here we are again...

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 22, 2023, 04:48:57 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pablo_picasso on July 22, 2023, 04:38:15 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 22, 2023, 04:00:08 PM
Well I can't being ahead of the ball and putting things out there ,flagging things up yet people be oblivious

What more can be done.

You can shut the fuck up & let us find out organically... 
Yes PP I addressed the problem, took advice from others, and, of course, now realise my mistakes.  I've gained knowledge from your remarks as well. We can all continue in our way without the bad language as I already had said that I would shh the Heck up. I appreciate you wanted a right to reply but need to read the whole pieces of text written and context but I can see I may have offended you so apologies and I understand how that you're annoyed hence your language. Sorry. Can we move on though I didn't mean to upset others from my upset. 

Up the Villa!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on July 22, 2023, 04:51:13 PM
			

			

				Give it a rest Footy.  Gets on my tits with the sanctimonious stuff. Up the Villa. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on July 22, 2023, 04:53:19 PM
			

			

				Gazzeto dello Sport (sp?) are linking us to Zakaria from Juve.

Top player, with height & power, but not sure we need more CMs...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on July 22, 2023, 04:54:51 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 22, 2023, 04:48:57 PM
Yes PP I addressed the problem,....

Fair enough. 

Apology accepted & I apologise for the language. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on July 22, 2023, 04:54:54 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pablo_picasso on July 22, 2023, 04:53:19 PM
Gazzeto dello Sport (sp?) are linking us to Zakaria from Juve.

Top player, with height & power, but not sure we need more CMs...

He was at Chelsea last season on loan and couldn’t break through. He’s decent but I don’t think he’s taking the spots of the incumbent players. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on July 22, 2023, 04:55:51 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pablo_picasso on July 22, 2023, 04:53:19 PM
Gazzeto dello Sport (sp?) are linking us to Zakaria from Juve.

Top player, with height & power, but not sure we need more CMs...

I don't want to tempt fate but I wonder if we would allow Douglas to go if we get the right price?  i hope not as he's got better and better. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 22, 2023, 04:57:36 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on July 22, 2023, 04:55:51 PM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on July 22, 2023, 04:53:19 PM
Gazzeto dello Sport (sp?) are linking us to Zakaria from Juve.

Top player, with height & power, but not sure we need more CMs...

I don't want to tempt fate but I wonder if we would allow Douglas to go if we get the right price?  i hope not as he's got better and better. 

If we'd sell either (and I hope we wouldn't) I think we'd be more likely to sell Kamara for the FFP impact.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: mike on July 22, 2023, 04:58:23 PM
			

			

				M
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on July 22, 2023, 04:59:20 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 22, 2023, 04:57:36 PM
Quote from: Steve67 on July 22, 2023, 04:55:51 PM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on July 22, 2023, 04:53:19 PM
Gazzeto dello Sport (sp?) are linking us to Zakaria from Juve.

Top player, with height & power, but not sure we need more CMs...

I don't want to tempt fate but I wonder if we would allow Douglas to go if we get the right price?  i hope not as he's got better and better. 

If we'd sell either (and I hope we wouldn't) I think we'd be more likely to sell Kamara for the FFP impact.

I guess it could happen as neither were signed by Unai and they sometimes want their own players.  I rate Kamara really highly and would hope we keep him.  That said, if we could get Kessie from Barcelona, it might make up for it. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 22, 2023, 05:05:24 PM
			

			

				At some point, we will have to sell one of our best players to manipulate FFP. I just hope the club are savvy enough to plan for that curveball. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 22, 2023, 05:15:49 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 22, 2023, 04:57:36 PM
Quote from: Steve67 on July 22, 2023, 04:55:51 PM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on July 22, 2023, 04:53:19 PM
Gazzeto dello Sport (sp?) are linking us to Zakaria from Juve.

Top player, with height & power, but not sure we need more CMs...

I don't want to tempt fate but I wonder if we would allow Douglas to go if we get the right price?  i hope not as he's got better and better. 

If we'd sell either (and I hope we wouldn't) I think we'd be more likely to sell Kamara for the FFP impact.
Zakaria a target for West Ham and think its just one of those using Villas name
I have a theory that Italy, in particular, frequently mentions Aston Villa as a club that players would be interested in joining? There appears to be an understanding to use us Aston Villa to alert clubs and to instigate moves

 Although Zakaria is a reliable midfielder and would provide some muscle, I don't buy the interest. Though there is talk of Villa being interested in obtaining another midfielder but in my opinion, Zakaria would only work as an either/or situation if sold Chambers or Dendoncker. 

 Unless we are loaning Tim Iroegbunam and selling both but that would dispell my theory that Italian league clubs are using Aston Villa and that they have paid the transfer commitment to do so.  Something similar maybe in Spain but those links are more likely and it can be more of an Italian thing to do.

On that basis we'll see Zakaria move to West Ham in coming days and Juvr used us in agreement to get the sale through quicker.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 22, 2023, 05:20:59 PM
			

			

				I'd rather have Zakaria than Dendoncker or Chambers as a midfield option though.  
He's always looked decent for Switzerland when I've seen him and has the energy and athleticism that the Belgian lacks.


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bad English on July 22, 2023, 05:23:48 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: mike on July 22, 2023, 04:58:23 PM
M
Let's do the milkshake
Selling like a hot cake
Try some, buy some
Fe, fi, foe, fum
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 22, 2023, 05:37:36 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: mike on July 22, 2023, 04:58:23 PM
M

outrageous comment 😳
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 22, 2023, 06:01:06 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 22, 2023, 04:57:36 PM
Quote from: Steve67 on July 22, 2023, 04:55:51 PM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on July 22, 2023, 04:53:19 PM
Gazzeto dello Sport (sp?) are linking us to Zakaria from Juve.

Top player, with height & power, but not sure we need more CMs...

I don't want to tempt fate but I wonder if we would allow Douglas to go if we get the right price?  i hope not as he's got better and better. 

If we'd sell either (and I hope we wouldn't) I think we'd be more likely to sell Kamara for the FFP impact.

Kamara, Tielemans , McGinn,  Ramsey and Douglas combined cost the same if not less than Chukwuemeka sale to Chelsea ! 
20/25m
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on July 22, 2023, 06:11:03 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 22, 2023, 04:57:36 PM
Quote from: Steve67 on July 22, 2023, 04:55:51 PM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on July 22, 2023, 04:53:19 PM
Gazzeto dello Sport (sp?) are linking us to Zakaria from Juve.

Top player, with height & power, but not sure we need more CMs...

I don't want to tempt fate but I wonder if we would allow Douglas to go if we get the right price?  i hope not as he's got better and better. 

If we'd sell either (and I hope we wouldn't) I think we'd be more likely to sell Kamara for the FFP impact.

Luiz has a book value of fuck all in football finance terms, it'll be something like £3.6m.

Given he's worth more than Kamara I think we'd make a massive profit either way. Not that I expect either to be sold.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 22, 2023, 06:21:34 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 22, 2023, 05:20:59 PM
has the energy and athleticism that the Belgian lacks.

That’s the ideal situation, Dendonkar is moved on for someone similar but with those attributes you mention.
That said I still quite like Dendonkar and if he’s in the squad next season fine, that ‘upgrade’ is less important than getting in another forward option (in addition to Diaby), a quality RB to compete with Cash and a decent back up GK.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on July 22, 2023, 06:24:39 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on July 22, 2023, 05:37:36 PM
Quote from: mike on July 22, 2023, 04:58:23 PM
M

outrageous comment 😳
Took my daughter to see the Charlie and the Chocolate Factory musical in Manchester last night. The theatre had a row M and row O, but no row N which I thought was borderline crazy.

By the way, if you're thinking of taking a little one to that (in B'ham later in the year) ... then do. It's brilliant.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RamboandBruno on July 22, 2023, 06:28:04 PM
			

			

				I think its really important that have another full season with Dougie and Kamara building their partnership in midfield, surrounded by improving players and new signings. Same with Watkins. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on July 22, 2023, 06:28:36 PM
			

			

				Yep we need Doug and Bouba. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ian. on July 22, 2023, 06:31:49 PM
			

			

				I wouldn’t want to lose those two, no way, they have been brilliant for us.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 22, 2023, 06:37:44 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on July 22, 2023, 06:11:03 PM
Luiz has a book value of fuck all in football finance terms, it'll be something like £3.6m.

Given he's worth more than Kamara I think we'd make a massive profit either way. Not that I expect either to be sold.

Agreed, no significant difference from an accounting point of view, not that I think they'll be sold.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 22, 2023, 06:38:23 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: algy on July 22, 2023, 06:24:39 PM
Took my daughter to see the Charlie and the Chocolate Factory musical in Manchester last night. The theatre had a row M and row O, but no row N which I thought was borderline crazy.

That's a bit odd, no row M or row O would seem more likely
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dave.woodhall on July 22, 2023, 06:38:52 PM
			

			

				I can't see the point of bringing in three (so far) top-quality players only to get rid of another two. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on July 22, 2023, 06:40:51 PM
			

			

				Dink had 1 bad game for us under Emery. Other than that he always did what was needed with minimal fuss. I'd be in no rush to sell him.

I reckon he'd get a lot less stick if he didn't have that weird run where it looks like he's desperate for a shit.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on July 22, 2023, 07:12:19 PM
			

			

				Signed!

https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1682812992310616071?s=20 (https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1682812992310616071?s=20)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RamboandBruno on July 22, 2023, 07:15:23 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 22, 2023, 07:12:19 PM
Signed!

https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1682812992310616071?s=20 (https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1682812992310616071?s=20)

Fantastic! On the march!! 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Nunkin1965 on July 22, 2023, 07:34:00 PM
			

			

				If confirmed that's 3 sensational signings by us.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on July 22, 2023, 07:46:06 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 22, 2023, 06:28:36 PM
Yep we need Doug and Bouba.

They formed a strong partnership in central midfield last season.  Why would we even consider selling either?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 22, 2023, 07:47:47 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Nunkin1965 on July 22, 2023, 07:34:00 PM
If confirmed that's 3 sensational signings by us.

He's posted a goodbye message to BL fans. Doesn't mention us mind, but I think its safe to assume now.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on July 22, 2023, 08:03:33 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Nunkin1965 on July 22, 2023, 07:34:00 PM
If confirmed that's 3 sensational signings by us.

I'd say, one shrewd, one decent, one sensational.

If we get Doku and Vlahovic then it'd be three sensational signings.

Maybe we will 😏

There was a poster on here who said he reckoned wed get close to a 200m spend this summer. Imagine if he was right... 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 22, 2023, 08:12:48 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on July 22, 2023, 08:03:33 PM
There was a poster on here who said he reckoned wed get close to a 200m spend this summer. Imagine if he was right... 

I wouldn't get your hopes up, I rarely am when it comes to transfers. :)

*It was around the time Alemany was supposed to be coming to B6, I was getting a bit giddy.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on July 22, 2023, 08:15:00 PM
			

			

				Vlahovic can jog on.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 22, 2023, 08:20:56 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 22, 2023, 08:15:00 PM
Vlahovic can jog on.

Too right he can.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 22, 2023, 08:27:35 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 22, 2023, 08:20:56 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 22, 2023, 08:15:00 PM
Vlahovic can jog on.

Too right he can.

Yep.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on July 22, 2023, 08:29:49 PM
			

			

				What's Vlahovic done to annoy people? Have I missed something? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on July 22, 2023, 08:33:43 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on July 22, 2023, 08:12:48 PM
Quote from: Smirker on July 22, 2023, 08:03:33 PM
There was a poster on here who said he reckoned wed get close to a 200m spend this summer. Imagine if he was right... 

I wouldn't get your hopes up, I rarely am when it comes to transfers. :)

*It was around the time Alemany was supposed to be coming to B6, I was getting a bit giddy.

Oh was it you. Well we're at £84m now, if there's another big one you won't be that far off. As of now I don't think it's as mad as it seemed before.

 8)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 22, 2023, 08:34:19 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on July 22, 2023, 08:29:49 PM
What's Vlahovic done to annoy people? Have I missed something?

He's a Serbian nationalist, basically. PSG were apparently looking at buying him and some of their Ultras said they'd cut his fingers off if he came, and this forum decided they feel the same. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: lovejoy on July 22, 2023, 08:37:58 PM
			

			

				Yea he left Fioentina for Juventus…and something about Serb nationalism.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on July 22, 2023, 09:22:20 PM
			

			

				£150m was the figure I saw mentioned quite a few times. And they've been quite smart at keeping the cost down so far...one on a free, one for £27.5m up front and this one £43m up front (depending on what sources you go by). There could still be another couple of big deals yet. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on July 22, 2023, 09:36:38 PM
			

			

				Three excellent signing so far.  All internationals with lots and lots of caps between them.  To be greedy, if we can get in a right back and another striker, that would be great.  Hopefully Olson improves as every other player has since Unai took charge which might mean we don't need another keeper.   I wonder who is the next target. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on July 22, 2023, 09:40:13 PM
			

			

				A rb and another forward player and a backup GK keeper and I would be happy 

If the first 2 could be world class that would be ace 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ldavfc4eva on July 22, 2023, 09:45:17 PM
			

			

				Literally what I said to my mate 10 mins ago Beard82

Wish we had kept Ash for another year at RB
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on July 22, 2023, 09:56:12 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ldavfc4eva on July 22, 2023, 09:45:17 PM
Literally what I said to my mate 10 mins ago Beard82

Wish we had kept Ash for another year at RB

Given we let him go, surely we must have one coming in?  I can't see Unai settling for second best with Konsa or Chambers in there. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Border villan on July 22, 2023, 10:11:12 PM
			

			

				All you recent arrivistes, this is how a real club goes about its business.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on July 22, 2023, 10:12:58 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on July 22, 2023, 09:56:12 PM
Quote from: ldavfc4eva on July 22, 2023, 09:45:17 PM
Literally what I said to my mate 10 mins ago Beard82

Wish we had kept Ash for another year at RB

Given we let him go, surely we must have one coming in?  I can't see Unai settling for second best with Konsa or Chambers in there. 

No chance. We will get a top RB also. I like Matty Cash but he’s a really excellent 2nd choice for me. We need a better RB. I was reading a rumour about Frimpong the other day. Bollocks source mind you. But that’s the kind of upgrade we need.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on July 22, 2023, 10:21:24 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on July 22, 2023, 09:56:12 PM
Quote from: ldavfc4eva on July 22, 2023, 09:45:17 PM
Literally what I said to my mate 10 mins ago Beard82

Wish we had kept Ash for another year at RB

Given we let him go, surely we must have one coming in?  I can't see Unai settling for second best with Konsa or Chambers in there.
Dumfries would be my choice but probably unrealistic , but we have Emery who is like a magnet 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 22, 2023, 10:24:29 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 22, 2023, 10:12:58 PM
Quote from: Steve67 on July 22, 2023, 09:56:12 PM
Quote from: ldavfc4eva on July 22, 2023, 09:45:17 PM
Literally what I said to my mate 10 mins ago Beard82

Wish we had kept Ash for another year at RB

Given we let him go, surely we must have one coming in?  I can't see Unai settling for second best with Konsa or Chambers in there. 

No chance. We will get a top RB also. I like Matty Cash but he’s a really excellent 2nd choice for me. We need a better RB. I was reading a rumour about Frimpong the other day. Bollocks source mind you. But that’s the kind of upgrade we need.

The full back who links up with Diaby must be able to read Diaby's movements well enough to make passes to him, as well as go forward quickly enough to take advantage of the space Diaby will create. 

With his offensive forays, Pau will also be making a lot of room, which will enable players like Diaby to receive the ball in a decent position and in space. 
Oh wow we're going to be very exciting to watch! Wonderful! 

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on July 22, 2023, 10:25:21 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: VillaTim on July 22, 2023, 10:21:24 PM
Quote from: Steve67 on July 22, 2023, 09:56:12 PM
Quote from: ldavfc4eva on July 22, 2023, 09:45:17 PM
Literally what I said to my mate 10 mins ago Beard82

Wish we had kept Ash for another year at RB

Given we let him go, surely we must have one coming in?  I can't see Unai settling for second best with Konsa or Chambers in there.
Dumfries would be my choice but probably unrealistic , but we have Emery who is like a magnet 

Domfries would be perfect if we want to go down the route of being able to flip the asymmetry and have a defensive left back and attacking right back. The flaw with that is that I think Watkins works better if we're blanced as we are now, if we flip it we'd need to change how he plays or have another striker to use, maybe Cam would be better that way though.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 22, 2023, 10:29:04 PM
			

			

				We want another striker to play alongside or instead of Watkins
But is this Diaby ? He can play there but I don't think he is going to be the striker as such.
I think we will see a move for a striker as attacking reinforcements are needed in this area to see us through a 50 match season.
And we can't simply have one senior striker

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on July 22, 2023, 11:25:31 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 22, 2023, 10:29:04 PM
We want another striker to play alongside or instead of Watkins
But is this Diaby ? He can play there but I don't think he is going to be the striker as such.
I think we will see a move for a striker as attacking reinforcements are needed in this area to see us through a 50 match season.
And we can't simply have one senior striker

If it's a striker to play instead of Watkins, then it would have to be a top class striker and we'd be looking at paying massive money.  I think it's more likely to be someone who will initially come in as 2nd choice, but have the potential to surpass Ollie.  Still think it is possibly a bit too early for Duran or Archer to properly fill that role just yet.  

I still think there could be something in the Brennan Johnson rumours.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 23, 2023, 01:09:20 AM
			

			

				It's worth remembering Watkins was useless with a banjo until Ings left on the 20th of January, 2023. All this bullshit about him having a great season is..well..bullshit. It's going to be a massive season for him. FWIW I think he's improved but delivering every week is a massive ask. Interesting times.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bad English on July 23, 2023, 07:11:59 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on July 22, 2023, 08:29:49 PM
What's Vlahovic done to annoy people? Have I missed something?
Was seen with baked beans touching his bacon at breakfast.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave P on July 23, 2023, 07:13:49 AM
			

			

				We have strengthened massively in key areas so if this was the end of our summer business, would you be happy?

Back up to Watkins could and should be Archer and Duran. 

A potential upgrade in Cash but I can see Konsa getting reassigned there in various games over a season. 

A backup GK as Olsen is, well, Olsen, but how many other teams have a senior experienced international as back up?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: gpbarr on July 23, 2023, 08:23:01 AM
			

			

				The Torres / Diaby signings are top draw - they will both improve our starting 11 and make other teams sit up and take notice.

Tiellmans is an odd one for me - our midfield options were pretty strong anyways so not sure we needed another international there - RB more a priority for me.

I don’t think we will sign a replacement for Olsen - most PM back up GK are not great, it’s a very difficult position to fill back up wise and chance of game time so slim.

I’d be happy if this was our business concluded - we are well positioned for Emery’s first full season in charge. I’d be ecstatic if we bring in another top draw player. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on July 23, 2023, 08:28:52 AM
			

			

				I dont think we're finished yet personally but I'm not sure who else he will bring in. I'd be happier with a new back up keeper but I can't see that happening. Another striker and another right back would conclude a very good window. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on July 23, 2023, 08:32:16 AM
			

			

				I don’t see us spending a lot now, unless someone leaves for decent money. A good opportunity for a prospect aside.

Backup goalkeeper is one of the hardest positions to fill. Anyone who has proven themselves is gonna be both expensive and unwilling to sit on the bench most games. Anyone who hasn’t yet proven themselves is going to be a risk. I can see them sticking with Olsen and relying on improvements to defence limiting his exposure.

They’ll be concentrating now on shipping people out and freeing up slots and funds.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on July 23, 2023, 08:38:27 AM
			

			

				We've only signed one forward; I don't think we're done. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RamboandBruno on July 23, 2023, 08:40:12 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 23, 2023, 08:32:16 AM
I don’t see us spending a lot now, unless someone leaves for decent money. A good opportunity for a prospect aside.

Backup goalkeeper is one of the hardest positions to fill. Anyone who has proven themselves is gonna be both expensive and unwilling to sit on the bench most games. Anyone who hasn’t yet proven themselves is going to be a risk. I can see them sticking with Olsen and relying on improvements to defence limiting his exposure.

They’ll be concentrating now on shipping people out and freeing up slots and funds.

I wonder if the young lad Marschall could step up? Your right no really good keeper would be happy sitting on the bench, but the likes of Palace have had Sam Johnstone on their bench. The problem with Olsen is not that he’s not comparable to Martinez, not many are, he’s just simply in his performances so far, amongst the worst we’ve ever had. There simply has to be someone  else out there. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on July 23, 2023, 08:41:06 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on July 23, 2023, 08:38:27 AM
We've only signed one forward; I don't think we're done. 

Neither do I 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: London Villan on July 23, 2023, 08:58:29 AM
			

			

				A reserve keeper could be starting 10-15 games this season. Not bad for a number 2 keeper.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 23, 2023, 09:06:32 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 23, 2023, 08:41:06 AM
Quote from: Drummond on July 23, 2023, 08:38:27 AM
We've only signed one forward; I don't think we're done. 

Neither do I
Quote from: London Villan on July 23, 2023, 08:58:29 AM
A reserve keeper could be starting 10-15 games this season. Not bad for a number 2 keeper.
You guys are wise and spot on. There are 40 days till the window closes.

The ideal situation would be to upgrade Olsen, Cash, and Watkins so we have the depth and quality to compete at the highest level in the domestic competitions throughout a 50 game season, a squad that is eye-opening and players of high European footballing calibre is now required throughout the team

An effective backup keeper who is either Spain or South American on the bench who can play out from the back is needed.  The right back defender needed may be someone who can play football better than Cash or at least compete and the striker should be our marquee signing of the summer.

The window is far from over and we can expect and deserve more exciting happenings in the next 5 weeks! 

The season starts in just under three weeks.




			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 23, 2023, 09:09:54 AM
			

			

				Now we need to look at potential players in these 3 key areas 
Goal Keeper
Right Back
Striker.

I also feel we could bring in another winger and midfielder but don't think more than a maximum of 5 signings in next 5 weeks will be made
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 23, 2023, 09:46:37 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 23, 2023, 09:09:54 AM
Now we need to look at potential players in these 3 key areas 
Goal Keeper
Right Back
Striker.

I also feel we could bring in another winger and midfielder but don't think more than a maximum of 5 signings in next 5 weeks will be made

seems excessive and i think Emre likes a smaller squad , definitely a RB and a keeper 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ian. on July 23, 2023, 09:58:40 AM
			

			

				I still wonder if Johnson is on the cards. I agree losing Young I’d be surprised if we haven’t got someone coming in there and there’s no way after watching Olsen play he thinks he fits our system. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RamboandBruno on July 23, 2023, 09:59:39 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on July 23, 2023, 09:46:37 AM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 23, 2023, 09:09:54 AM
Now we need to look at potential players in these 3 key areas 
Goal Keeper
Right Back
Striker.

I also feel we could bring in another winger and midfielder but don't think more than a maximum of 5 signings in next 5 weeks will be made

seems excessive and i think Emre likes a smaller squad , definitely a RB and a keeper

Agreed, i think footy is getting carried away. I also think Watkins can be hit and miss, but i think talk about a marquee forward signing is misplaced, if we buy another forward type player, it will becto support/compliment Ollie. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 23, 2023, 10:05:16 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 23, 2023, 09:09:54 AM
Now we need to look at potential players in these 3 key areas 
Goal Keeper
Right Back
Striker.

Not disagreeing, but even if we don't sign any of them I'm happy to trust Unai's judgement on what type of squad he needs.  If he wants one or more players in those positions I think he'll be backed if need be.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: nigel on July 23, 2023, 10:14:22 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: RamboandBruno on July 22, 2023, 07:15:23 PM
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 22, 2023, 07:12:19 PM
Signed!

https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1682812992310616071?s=20 (https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1682812992310616071?s=20)

Fantastic! On the march!!

🎶 We’re on the march with Unai’s army
We’re moving up the football league 
And we’ll really cause a stink 
When we win everything 
‘Cause Villa are the greatest football team 🎶
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on July 23, 2023, 10:48:26 AM
			

			

				Doesn’t matter how many players we sign people will always want more
An upgrade here back up there

Then there is the constant default position of a right back, we could sign a prime Carlos Alberto and people will still be calling for an upgrade 
There’s plenty of other positions on the pitch ie goalkeeper, striker to sort before I’m gonna start worrying about the right back as Cash is perfectly capable 

We’re not going to get everything we want, that’s football
We’ve signed 3 decent players we’ll probably sign a few more because of the extra games next season 

But We’ve already got the best squad we’ve had in 20 years, a Genius at the helm, ambitious owners gunning for glory, and a redevelopment plan of the ground in place

Hold onto your seats





			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on July 23, 2023, 10:52:11 AM
			

			

				I dont think an upgrade on Cash is needed just yet, just another right back to compete with him. Emery seems to like making subs so it makes sense really. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on July 23, 2023, 11:23:30 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clampy on July 23, 2023, 10:52:11 AM
I dont think an upgrade on Cash is needed just yet, just another right back to compete with him. Emery seems to like making subs so it makes sense really. 

Yep I don’t disagree with you there 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 23, 2023, 11:31:10 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clampy on July 23, 2023, 10:52:11 AM
I dont think an upgrade on Cash is needed just yet, just another right back to compete with him. Emery seems to like making subs so it makes sense really. 
Yes, competition in places is necessary.
Emery hasn't been a big fan of Cash or Digne as full backs was all the claims.
And there's been talk of looking for a right back, with numerous itk journalists, including John Percy, expressing reservations about him and Digne.
Moreno is working as a player for Emery it was an outstanding signing. 
It will be interesting to observe what occurs for a right back.
Well the presemt talk is Villa are after a right back on the rumour front so that's facts.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Chris Smith on July 23, 2023, 11:33:49 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clampy on July 23, 2023, 10:52:11 AM
I dont think an upgrade on Cash is needed just yet, just another right back to compete with him. Emery seems to like making subs so it makes sense really. 

Agreed, and Cash does seem to pick up his fair share of injuries. Whether that’s down to bad luck or a consequence of his all action approach I don’t know but we need cover.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on July 23, 2023, 11:46:46 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clampy on July 23, 2023, 10:52:11 AM
I dont think an upgrade on Cash is needed just yet, just another right back to compete with him. Emery seems to like making subs so it makes sense really.
Yep.  In my mind I expect something like:
- A Moreno-type signing for right back ... you know, £10-15m, realistically going to be rotated a fair bit with Cash.  Don't need anything fancy IMO, just a fresh pair of legs, maybe offering something a bit different, similar sort of quality to Cash.
- A Doku or Johnson type signing.  I see us having 2 main forwards - Ollie and Cam Archer - then maybe one or two players who are primarily wingers, but would work as strikers too if needed.  More so that if one of Ollie & Cam get injured, the responsibility isn't completely on the other.
- 2nd choice keeper.  Imagine this will be an older head who's happy to play a dozen or so games a season.  A Pepe Reina (in the season we stayed up) type signing maybe, you know ... maybe a good player who, like Ashley Young, can't play every single game; offers a bit of experience and a big personality in the dressing room.  Expecting cheap/free for that one.

That to me would be an amazing summer. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ger Regan on July 23, 2023, 11:56:25 AM
			

			

				Heaton would be a good backup but probably unlikely if Henderson goes to forest
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 23, 2023, 12:00:19 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: RamboandBruno on July 23, 2023, 09:59:39 AM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on July 23, 2023, 09:46:37 AM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 23, 2023, 09:09:54 AM
Now we need to look at potential players in these 3 key areas 
Goal Keeper
Right Back
Striker.

I also feel we could bring in another winger and midfielder but don't think more than a maximum of 5 signings in next 5 weeks will be made

seems excessive and i think Emre likes a smaller squad , definitely a RB and a keeper

Agreed, i think footy is getting carried away. I also think Watkins can be hit and miss, but i think talk about a marquee forward signing is misplaced, if we buy another forward type player, it will becto support/compliment Ollie.
And there are 40 days for two or three more.

Tom Collomosse ITK Midlands reporter said
"Villa also want a forward to be both partner and alternative to Ollie Watkins"
He also said after signing Pau Torres "This is unlikely to be the end of Villa’s activity, with the club targeting a wide forward as well as another midfielder and a striker"

I can get carried away when all the links to our statement signing have seen our targets set high for a striker position though be it Ferran Torres, Goncalves, Vlahovic or .. Johnson! I wouldn't be surprised if we made a deal late on in the window for one of these.

A month ago it was reported by reputable journalists Ben Fisher and Jacob steinberg "Villa are determined to strengthen, with Emery keen to add a full-back, a winger and a striker" 
Steinberg reported Monchi coming to Villa.

Regards Right Back 
Only a couple of days ago it was reported again by the Guardian we "after striker and Right back cover"
Villa are determined to strengthen further as they prepare to play in Europe for the first time since 2010. They allowed Marvelous Nakamba to join promoted Luton on Thursday, while Keinan Davis and Kortney Hause are also free to leave.

Source:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/jul/21/aston-villa-moussa-diaby-club-record-deal-bayer-leverkusen

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ldavfc4eva on July 23, 2023, 12:08:48 PM
			

			

				Does anyone know where we stand FFP wise?

Apart from Ings (£15m?) and Marv (£4m?) leaving I don’t think we have had any money come in so far this summer? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 23, 2023, 12:12:52 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Chris Smith on July 23, 2023, 11:33:49 AM
Quote from: Clampy on July 23, 2023, 10:52:11 AM
I dont think an upgrade on Cash is needed just yet, just another right back to compete with him. Emery seems to like making subs so it makes sense really. 

Agreed, and Cash does seem to pick up his fair share of injuries. Whether that’s down to bad luck or a consequence of his all action approach I don’t know but we need cover.
My research has led me to believe that there could be a move for RB Leipzig defender who is right sided defender. Hes a rightback , but also plays at right centre back and can play dm. A cultured Callum Chambers techies superior.

Shipping out Chambers makes sense then because it's an upgrade for him and gives Matty Cash upgrade competition.
He's been on our radar him for a while now, and he fits the bill at 23 years of age and comes with Champions League experience:
Mohamed Simakan


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SoccerHQ on July 23, 2023, 12:22:51 PM
			

			

				Think we're done now until after start of season.

Only issue is if Digne picks up an injury which is always likely to happen given his frequent ones since signing.

Not sure who we'd play at LB if that happens. O.k putting CBs there but that tactic won't work for every game e.g. Everton at home when we need to be far more on the front foot than say Newcastle away.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: lovejoy on July 23, 2023, 12:33:18 PM
			

			

				Er Moreno?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 23, 2023, 12:37:44 PM
			

			

				Er, he's injured.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on July 23, 2023, 12:39:28 PM
			

			

				I think we will sign a striker with proven pedigree
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SoccerHQ on July 23, 2023, 12:39:43 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: lovejoy on July 23, 2023, 12:33:18 PM
Er Moreno?

Potentially end of August I think he'll be ready.

We aren't throwing him into Newcastle away without any pre season games I'm pretty sure.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: lovejoy on July 23, 2023, 12:51:37 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 23, 2023, 12:37:44 PM
Er, he's injured.

So we're now looking to have a squad with 3 LBs to cover the first few matches of the season? We are overthinking this.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 23, 2023, 12:52:12 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: lovejoy on July 23, 2023, 12:51:37 PM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 23, 2023, 12:37:44 PM
Er, he's injured.

So we're now looking to have a squad with 3 LBs to cover the first few matches of the season? We are overthinking this.

Indeed.

Right back, on the other hand....
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 23, 2023, 12:53:08 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: lovejoy on July 23, 2023, 12:51:37 PM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 23, 2023, 12:37:44 PM
Er, he's injured.

So we're now looking to have a squad with 3 LBs to cover the first few matches of the season? We are overthinking this.

Yes. But don't stop at three.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on July 23, 2023, 01:07:56 PM
			

			

				Mings can fill in at LB in an emergency situation
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on July 23, 2023, 01:13:02 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: algy on July 23, 2023, 11:46:46 AM
Quote from: Clampy on July 23, 2023, 10:52:11 AM
I dont think an upgrade on Cash is needed just yet, just another right back to compete with him. Emery seems to like making subs so it makes sense really.
Yep.  In my mind I expect something like:
- A Moreno-type signing for right back ... you know, £10-15m, realistically going to be rotated a fair bit with Cash.  Don't need anything fancy IMO, just a fresh pair of legs, maybe offering something a bit different, similar sort of quality to Cash.
- A Doku or Johnson type signing.  I see us having 2 main forwards - Ollie and Cam Archer - then maybe one or two players who are primarily wingers, but would work as strikers too if needed.  More so that if one of Ollie & Cam get injured, the responsibility isn't completely on the other.
- 2nd choice keeper.  Imagine this will be an older head who's happy to play a dozen or so games a season.  A Pepe Reina (in the season we stayed up) type signing maybe, you know ... maybe a good player who, like Ashley Young, can't play every single game; offers a bit of experience and a big personality in the dressing room.  Expecting cheap/free for that one.

That to me would be an amazing summer.

Agree.  Get those three deals over the line and we could be in for a very good season.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on July 23, 2023, 01:14:02 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: VillaTim on July 23, 2023, 01:07:56 PM
Mings can fill in at LB in an emergency situation

He wouldn't fit in to the LB position in the system we play though.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 23, 2023, 01:26:57 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: algy on July 23, 2023, 11:46:46 AM
Quote from: Clampy on July 23, 2023, 10:52:11 AM
I dont think an upgrade on Cash is needed just yet, just another right back to compete with him. Emery seems to like making subs so it makes sense really.
Yep.  In my mind I expect something like:
- A Moreno-type signing for right back ... you know, £10-15m, realistically going to be rotated a fair bit with Cash.  Don't need anything fancy IMO, just a fresh pair of legs, maybe offering something a bit different, similar sort of quality to Cash.
- A Doku or Johnson type signing.  I see us having 2 main forwards - Ollie and Cam Archer - then maybe one or two players who are primarily wingers, but would work as strikers too if needed.  More so that if one of Ollie & Cam get injured, the responsibility isn't completely on the other.
- 2nd choice keeper.  Imagine this will be an older head who's happy to play a dozen or so games a season.  A Pepe Reina (in the season we stayed up) type signing maybe, you know ... maybe a good player who, like Ashley Young, can't play every single game; offers a bit of experience and a big personality in the dressing room.  Expecting cheap/free for that one.

That to me would be an amazing summer.

Yep that’s exactly how I see it too.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rodders on July 23, 2023, 01:43:45 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: nigel on July 23, 2023, 10:14:22 AM
Quote from: RamboandBruno on July 22, 2023, 07:15:23 PM
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 22, 2023, 07:12:19 PM
Signed!

https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1682812992310616071?s=20 (https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1682812992310616071?s=20)

Fantastic! On the march!!

🎶 We’re on the march with Unai’s army
We’re moving up the football league 
And we’ll really cause a stink 
When we win everything 
‘Cause Villa are the greatest football team 🎶

"Unai's army" has inevitably led me to:

Emery's army are on their way
Emery's army are here to stay
And I don't wanna be anywhere else
But here to-oo-day 

Please don't hate me.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 23, 2023, 01:45:52 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rodders on July 23, 2023, 01:43:45 PM
"Unai's army" has inevitably led me to:

Emery's army are on their way
Emery's army are here to stay
And I don't wanna be anywhere else
But here to-oo-day 

Like that a lot, good effort.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on July 23, 2023, 01:46:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rodders on July 23, 2023, 01:43:45 PM
Quote from: nigel on July 23, 2023, 10:14:22 AM
Quote from: RamboandBruno on July 22, 2023, 07:15:23 PM
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 22, 2023, 07:12:19 PM
Signed!

https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1682812992310616071?s=20 (https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1682812992310616071?s=20)

Fantastic! On the march!!

🎶 We’re on the march with Unai’s army
We’re moving up the football league 
And we’ll really cause a stink 
When we win everything 
‘Cause Villa are the greatest football team 🎶

"Unai's army" has inevitably led me to:

Emery's army are on their way
Emery's army are here to stay
And I don't wanna be anywhere else
But here to-oo-day 

Please don't hate me.

Need to change the first two lines round but otherwise, that's not bad at all. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rodders on July 23, 2023, 01:47:33 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clampy on July 23, 2023, 01:46:17 PM
Quote from: Rodders on July 23, 2023, 01:43:45 PM
Quote from: nigel on July 23, 2023, 10:14:22 AM
Quote from: RamboandBruno on July 22, 2023, 07:15:23 PM
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 22, 2023, 07:12:19 PM
Signed!

https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1682812992310616071?s=20 (https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1682812992310616071?s=20)

Fantastic! On the march!!

🎶 We’re on the march with Unai’s army
We’re moving up the football league 
And we’ll really cause a stink 
When we win everything 
‘Cause Villa are the greatest football team 🎶

"Unai's army" has inevitably led me to:

Emery's army are on their way
Emery's army are here to stay
And I don't wanna be anywhere else
But here to-oo-day 

Please don't hate me.

Need to change the first two lines round but otherwise, that's not bad at all.

Doh. You're quite right, of course.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on July 23, 2023, 01:57:40 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: SoccerHQ on July 23, 2023, 12:22:51 PM
Think we're done now until after start of season.

Only issue is if Digne picks up an injury which is always likely to happen given his frequent ones since signing.

Not sure who we'd play at LB if that happens. O.k putting CBs there but that tactic won't work for every game e.g. Everton at home when we need to be far more on the front foot than say Newcastle away.

Probably Pau until Moreno's ready. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on July 23, 2023, 01:58:28 PM
			

			

				Interesting part in Emery's press conference where he mentioned playing with 3 centre backs on occasion. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 23, 2023, 02:08:26 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on July 23, 2023, 01:58:28 PM
Interesting part in Emery's press conference where he mentioned playing with 3 centre backs on occasion. 

Another nail in the coffin of CDBWF's return. :(
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on July 23, 2023, 02:16:08 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on July 23, 2023, 01:58:28 PM
Interesting part in Emery's press conference where he mentioned playing with 3 centre backs on occasion. 

I like that. We need to be versatile enough to play various systems, formations, tactics and not have one set, predictable  XI that plays every week. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on July 23, 2023, 02:16:59 PM
			

			

				It might point more to Konsa moving across one, so it might not be in the sense of having 2 wingbacks that ultimately becomes 5 at the back when you can't retain possession. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SoccerHQ on July 23, 2023, 03:06:45 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on July 23, 2023, 01:58:28 PM
Interesting part in Emery's press conference where he mentioned playing with 3 centre backs on occasion. 

I'm pretty sure we did that at Wolves for last half hour.

It's one way I can see Diego Carlos getting some minutes as he hit some nice diagonal passes in that game to the wide players.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on July 23, 2023, 03:22:06 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: SoccerHQ on July 23, 2023, 03:06:45 PM
Quote from: OCD on July 23, 2023, 01:58:28 PM
Interesting part in Emery's press conference where he mentioned playing with 3 centre backs on occasion. 

I'm pretty sure we did that at Wolves for last half hour.

It's one way I can see Diego Carlos getting some minutes as he hit some nice diagonal passes in that game to the wide players.

I think Carlos also has the ability to slip into a DM role as needed. Much better than bringing on Chambers, who really hasn’t done a lot wrong. Just that Diego is a better all round player.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 23, 2023, 03:25:44 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on July 23, 2023, 08:38:27 AM
We've only signed one forward; I don't think we're done. 

We are not done. 2-3 more in. Loans to depart and some exits on permanent - likes of Sanson, Davis, Traore 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on July 23, 2023, 03:29:14 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on July 23, 2023, 03:25:44 PM
Quote from: Drummond on July 23, 2023, 08:38:27 AM
We've only signed one forward; I don't think we're done. 

We are not done. 2-3 more in. Loans to depart and some exits on permanent - likes of Sanson, Davis, Traore

You da man Vinnie!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 23, 2023, 03:30:07 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on July 23, 2023, 03:25:44 PM
Quote from: Drummond on July 23, 2023, 08:38:27 AM
We've only signed one forward; I don't think we're done. 

We are not done. 2-3 more in. Loans to depart and some exits on permanent - likes of Sanson, Davis, Traore 

Are the 2-3 more squad fillers or first team players? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on July 23, 2023, 03:32:50 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 23, 2023, 03:30:07 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on July 23, 2023, 03:25:44 PM
Quote from: Drummond on July 23, 2023, 08:38:27 AM
We've only signed one forward; I don't think we're done. 

We are not done. 2-3 more in. Loans to depart and some exits on permanent - likes of Sanson, Davis, Traore 

Are the 2-3 more squad fillers or first team players? 

You have to think RB starter quality, one more wide man/forward type, and back up keeper at least.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 23, 2023, 03:33:26 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 23, 2023, 03:30:07 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on July 23, 2023, 03:25:44 PM
Quote from: Drummond on July 23, 2023, 08:38:27 AM
We've only signed one forward; I don't think we're done. 

We are not done. 2-3 more in. Loans to depart and some exits on permanent - likes of Sanson, Davis, Traore 

Are the 2-3 more squad fillers or first team players? 

Aside from maybe a number 2 keeper don’t believe we’re in the mindset of squad fillers anymore. Anyone who comes in will be the play/upgrade/challenge the starting 11
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 23, 2023, 03:35:20 PM
			

			

				Brennan Johnson won’t happen unless Forest reduce price. Think a striker type will be later in window 

Personally (just my own opinion no info) could see Dendonker going and Tyler Adam’s coming in (he then also cover RB) 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on July 23, 2023, 03:40:05 PM
			

			

				With the likes of Johnson Forest don’t really need to sell and don’t want to sell one of their best players. If it happens it would be late in the window and if the player/agent make it clear the want the move. The risk for them is we might move on to another target by then which is why Doku rumours have surfaced. The RB challenging Cash to important and the back up keeper who can play with the ball at his feet and generally be competent with the basics is critical.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 23, 2023, 03:50:18 PM
			

			

				See Barnes has moved for 39m and Danjuma to Everton two wingers previously linked with but Diaby is far better than either of these two I'm my view

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 23, 2023, 03:51:14 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on July 23, 2023, 03:35:20 PM
Brennan Johnson won’t happen unless Forest reduce price. Think a striker type will be later in window 

Personally (just my own opinion no info) could see Dendonker going and Tyler Adam’s coming in (he then also cover RB)
Adams the American is injured and will be out till September.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on July 23, 2023, 04:12:29 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on July 23, 2023, 01:58:28 PM
Interesting part in Emery's press conference where he mentioned playing with 3 centre backs on occasion.

Be some meltdown on here if that happens 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Chris Smith on July 23, 2023, 04:27:01 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: brontebilly on July 23, 2023, 04:12:29 PM
Quote from: OCD on July 23, 2023, 01:58:28 PM
Interesting part in Emery's press conference where he mentioned playing with 3 centre backs on occasion.

Be some meltdown on here if that happens 

He has earned the right to be trusted to do as he sees fit. He could play 6 centre backs, 4 wingers  and a rush back keeper as far as I’m concerned.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on July 23, 2023, 04:29:00 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Chris Smith on July 23, 2023, 04:27:01 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on July 23, 2023, 04:12:29 PM
Quote from: OCD on July 23, 2023, 01:58:28 PM
Interesting part in Emery's press conference where he mentioned playing with 3 centre backs on occasion.

Be some meltdown on here if that happens 

He has earned the right to be trusted to do as he sees fit. He could play 6 centre backs, 4 wingers  and a rush back keeper as far as I’m concerned.
Apart from playing Olsen
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on July 23, 2023, 04:51:44 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: brontebilly on July 23, 2023, 04:12:29 PM
Quote from: OCD on July 23, 2023, 01:58:28 PM
Interesting part in Emery's press conference where he mentioned playing with 3 centre backs on occasion.

Be some meltdown on here if that happens 

It's all just talk to confuse the opposition, I'm sure of it.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 23, 2023, 04:59:01 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on July 23, 2023, 04:51:44 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on July 23, 2023, 04:12:29 PM
Quote from: OCD on July 23, 2023, 01:58:28 PM
Interesting part in Emery's press conference where he mentioned playing with 3 centre backs on occasion.

Be some meltdown on here if that happens 

It's all just talk to confuse the opposition, I'm sure of it.

I'm already in rehearsals to swear blind that one of the CBs was playing in midfield should the worst happen.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on July 23, 2023, 05:02:49 PM
			

			

				Think it’s an illustration of how far we have come that we mostly all agree that we need a competition for right back, a reliable back up keeper who can use his feet and possibly one more forward / wide player.  Previous years we’d have been arguing on here about which positions were priority, which players needed bombing out etc.

Can’t wait for the season to get going, think we have shopped well so far, big bonus that Torres can be integrated slowly if Unai wants to as he can continue with the combination that was sooo good at the end of the season.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 23, 2023, 05:08:22 PM
			

			

				I think this is the first non-disappointing transfer window since we came back up. I mean, there has been good business before, but we always failed to quite do enough.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on July 23, 2023, 05:13:31 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on July 23, 2023, 05:08:22 PM
I think this is the first non-disappointing transfer window since we came back up. I mean, there has been good business before, but we always failed to quite do enough.

I thought the window when we got Watkins was good, my only big complaint was Barkley coming in.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on July 23, 2023, 05:15:54 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on July 23, 2023, 05:13:31 PM
Quote from: Risso on July 23, 2023, 05:08:22 PM
I think this is the first non-disappointing transfer window since we came back up. I mean, there has been good business before, but we always failed to quite do enough.

I thought the window when we got Watkins was good, my only big complaint was Barkley coming in.

Most were buzzing with that but I remember my Scouse mate saying he's a waster and a piss head. Turned out to be spot on. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ads on July 23, 2023, 05:16:20 PM
			

			

				People thought January was poor, yet only Man City took more points and conceded fewer goals in 2023.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 23, 2023, 05:18:47 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ads on July 23, 2023, 05:16:20 PM
People thought January was poor, yet only Man City took more points and conceded fewer goals in 2023.

Maybe we’d have finished even higher in that case. January was poor, and it was a case of us mostly getting away with it rather than it being a good idea.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ads on July 23, 2023, 05:24:17 PM
			

			

				Maybe we could have out performed the best side in the world if we'd signed one or two more.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 23, 2023, 05:25:39 PM
			

			

				What’s that got to do with it? If not buying any players in January was such a good idea, then why is everybody so happy we’re spending money now?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ads on July 23, 2023, 05:29:20 PM
			

			

				January was irrelevant to our form. We were fantastic and the only way we could have done better would be to out perform Lance Armstrong City.

People were happy when we were spending the Grealish money, people are always happy when we're hosing cash around in the summer, when there's not much else to do Villa wise. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Baldy on July 23, 2023, 05:34:27 PM
			

			

				I do not envy Unai's job of picking the starting eleven for our first league match. A lot of players noses will be put out of joint.

Retention of all our quality players is key. A situation, probably new to the Villa!!

Thankfully, Unai has been there, done it and wore the 't' shirt.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on July 23, 2023, 05:40:24 PM
			

			

				This thing we don’t know is buying one or two extra players specifically in January, might have disrupted or helped the team. There’s always a chance of the former. As it was this group grew together and bonded, and it showed in the results. It’s all hindsight and at the time it felt a bit deflating. But it might have also forced us as a club to go with what we had. There will always be luck and one injury to Ollie would have fucked it all up. We go lucky with that 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ads on July 23, 2023, 05:48:43 PM
			

			

				Let's just hope that at 17:32 on 12th August we're not gall going "FFS" in the away end. I have a lot of faith in Emery, but it can't help but nag at me. I don't know, maybe I'm just a misery arse with the cricket, the golf being boring, the F1 being really boring this weekend. February blues in July. Roll on August 7th.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on July 23, 2023, 06:00:13 PM
			

			

				Newcastle is really tough place to go to. So even if we lose the one thing I absolutely know is that we will bounce back quickly. Not through luck, rolling up our socks or sleeves, looking each other in the eye, being the best version of ourselves or just deciding to “go again”. But because the manager, coaches and players will work their balls off to learn and get better; mentally, physically and tactically.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on July 23, 2023, 06:08:09 PM
			

			

				Yeah I mean Newcastle away is one of the three hardest games in the league at the moment. If we get something there it’ll be a terrific result.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on July 23, 2023, 06:26:47 PM
			

			

				I think the profile of players who want to play for us is far higher now than back in January, players who needed more convincing than what was still then just an uptick in form are now saying yes, in my opinion.

That was why holding on was correct.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on July 23, 2023, 06:33:16 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on July 23, 2023, 06:26:47 PM
I think the profile of players who want to play for us is far higher now than back in January, players who needed more convincing than what was still then just an uptick in form are now saying yes, in my opinion.

That was why holding on was correct.


Yeh good point Lee. We were transforming from relegation candidates Villa to CL form Villa. Nobody could have seen the way we improved. And qualification for Europe wasn’t even a goal back then. So convincing top players to join a lower half/mid table club would have been a very different proposition to a club in Europe and very much on the up.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SamTheMouse on July 23, 2023, 06:42:59 PM
			

			

				Yeah spot on. We're seen completely differently compared with even just a few months ago.

Emery is obviously the big draw, but securing that European spot was key to raising our profile. People on the continent have suddenly remembered who we are now.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 23, 2023, 06:49:19 PM
			

			

				Cross Mateo Retegui off the list. https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1683125197086371841

We didn't want him, Wolves couldn't afford him.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dave.woodhall on July 23, 2023, 06:49:21 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: SamTheMouse on July 23, 2023, 06:42:59 PM
Yeah spot on. We're seen completely differently compared with even just a few months ago.

Emery is obviously the big draw, but securing that European spot was key to raising our profile. People on the continent have suddenly remembered who we are now.

I also think that one of the things that helped us was Wedt Ham winning the competition. The media attention they got and the crowds at the bus parade made it look like a proper trophy rather than an afterthought.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 23, 2023, 06:53:30 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on July 23, 2023, 06:49:19 PM
Cross Mateo Retegui off the list. https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1683125197086371841

We didn't want him, Wolves couldn't afford him.

What on earth is that on their badge?! 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ads on July 23, 2023, 07:02:15 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on July 23, 2023, 06:53:30 PM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on July 23, 2023, 06:49:19 PM
Cross Mateo Retegui off the list. https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1683125197086371841

We didn't want him, Wolves couldn't afford him.

What on earth is that on their badge?! 

It's a Griffin apparently. Looks like it's been on glue.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 23, 2023, 07:04:31 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ads on July 23, 2023, 07:02:15 PM
Quote from: Risso on July 23, 2023, 06:53:30 PM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on July 23, 2023, 06:49:19 PM
Cross Mateo Retegui off the list. https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1683125197086371841

We didn't want him, Wolves couldn't afford him.

What on earth is that on their badge?! 

It's a Griffin apparently. Looks like it's been on glue.

Doesn't matter what it is, the main thing surely is that it's facing left.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on July 23, 2023, 07:05:24 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on July 23, 2023, 06:53:30 PM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on July 23, 2023, 06:49:19 PM
Cross Mateo Retegui off the list. https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1683125197086371841

We didn't want him, Wolves couldn't afford him.

What on earth is that on their badge?!
I think its a scouser.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on July 23, 2023, 07:06:43 PM
			

			

				The player looks like he’s been on glue
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 23, 2023, 07:10:58 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 23, 2023, 07:06:43 PM
The player looks like he’s been on glue

He does look a bit weather-beaten for a 24 year old.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on July 23, 2023, 07:19:25 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on July 23, 2023, 07:10:58 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 23, 2023, 07:06:43 PM
The player looks like he’s been on glue

He does look a bit weather-beaten for a 24 year old.


(https://i.ibb.co/Rb8hPnm/IMG-7911.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Rb8hPnm)

He’s had his head in a brown bag a few times

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Chap on July 23, 2023, 07:19:34 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 23, 2023, 07:06:43 PM
The player looks like he’s been on glue

Showing your age!🤣🤣
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on July 23, 2023, 07:23:22 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Chap on July 23, 2023, 07:19:34 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 23, 2023, 07:06:43 PM
The player looks like he’s been on glue

Showing your age!🤣🤣

Haha yeh. And the brown bag reference. I’m guessing the kids and addicts have moved on to other things since!! 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: DrGonzo on July 23, 2023, 07:25:51 PM
			

			

				Am I the first to suggest that Doku sounds like a player you could Count on..?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Chap on July 23, 2023, 07:26:34 PM
			

			

				I got hauled into the headmaster’s office around 1980 accused of the aforementioned crime in the wild streets of Aston!😁
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 23, 2023, 07:26:40 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Chap on July 23, 2023, 07:19:34 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 23, 2023, 07:06:43 PM
The player looks like he’s been on glue

Showing your age!🤣🤣

I’m still haunted by the Juliet Bravo episode about glue sniffers.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on July 23, 2023, 07:45:28 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 23, 2023, 07:06:43 PM
The player looks like he’s been on glue

That’s what I say everytime I see Anthony Gordon- looks like an extra from trainspotting :-)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on July 23, 2023, 07:48:08 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Beard82 on July 23, 2023, 04:29:00 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on July 23, 2023, 04:27:01 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on July 23, 2023, 04:12:29 PM
Quote from: OCD on July 23, 2023, 01:58:28 PM
Interesting part in Emery's press conference where he mentioned playing with 3 centre backs on occasion.

Be some meltdown on here if that happens 

He has earned the right to be trusted to do as he sees fit. He could play 6 centre backs, 4 wingers  and a rush back keeper as far as I’m concerned.
Apart from playing Olsen

He might do better at Centre back. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on July 23, 2023, 07:53:59 PM
			

			

				Out of curiosity what happened to all the Guendouzi rumours? Seemed nailed on her be rejoining Emery. Gone very quiet on that one. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 23, 2023, 07:58:00 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: DrGonzo on July 23, 2023, 07:25:51 PM
Am I the first to suggest that Doku sounds like a player you could Count on..?

Think the Star Wars reference has already been made, along with his mother being named Sue.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 23, 2023, 07:58:50 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 23, 2023, 07:53:59 PM
Out of curiosity what happened to all the Guendouzi rumours? Seemed nailed on her be rejoining Emery. Gone very quiet on that one. 

Did he? I seem to recall the only two facts that we know are that he likes Emery as a manager, and that we didn't try to buy him in January. 

A lot of people decided that meant that we definitely were going to sign him in the summer instead, when it's perfectly possible that we never had any real interest in him at all. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on July 23, 2023, 08:01:37 PM
			

			

				Maybe signing Tielemans meant we no longer wanted Guendozi (if we ever was in for him)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on July 23, 2023, 09:51:22 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 23, 2023, 03:32:50 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 23, 2023, 03:30:07 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on July 23, 2023, 03:25:44 PM
Quote from: Drummond on July 23, 2023, 08:38:27 AM
We've only signed one forward; I don't think we're done. 

We are not done. 2-3 more in. Loans to depart and some exits on permanent - likes of Sanson, Davis, Traore 

Are the 2-3 more squad fillers or first team players? 

You have to think RB starter quality, one more wide man/forward type, and back up keeper at least.

Yep.  Those three in and we're sorted.  I imagine that the forward will be the next deal done.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on July 23, 2023, 10:06:07 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 23, 2023, 07:53:59 PM
Out of curiosity what happened to all the Guendouzi rumours? Seemed nailed on her be rejoining Emery. Gone very quiet on that one. 

I think Dendonker will go and we'll bring in a DM that makes it questionable whether Kamara is the first choice DM. Just a suspicion with the amount of links I've seen over the summer. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 23, 2023, 10:11:05 PM
			

			

				I don't think there will be many questions on whether Kamara is starting, his calmness on the ball is perfect for the possession football we're beginning to play. Admittedly he did fuck up a couple of times but I don't think he was fully fit.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on July 23, 2023, 10:14:42 PM
			

			

				My point is that we may bring someone in who's arguably even better. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 23, 2023, 10:16:48 PM
			

			

				Oh I know, I just don't think there are any obvious ones that come to mind and I'm not sure that's where we would want to spend significant money.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 23, 2023, 10:39:25 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on July 23, 2023, 10:14:42 PM
My point is that we may bring someone in who's arguably even better.

The only ones that I can think of who fit that description have been moving to the likes of Real Madrid and Arsenal already this summer.

Who are you thinking of?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on July 23, 2023, 10:53:26 PM
			

			

				Nobody specific in mind, and I’ve just thought that in my mind Tielemans is an 8 and competition for Douglas Luiz but Emery may use him as a 6 or as an 8. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 23, 2023, 10:57:57 PM
			

			

				I think it's far more likely someone higher up the pecking order decides that they want Kamara for themselves, than we decide we want to upgrade him.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 23, 2023, 11:01:06 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on July 23, 2023, 10:57:57 PM
I think it's far more likely someone higher up the pecking order decides that they want Kamara for themselves, than we decide we want to upgrade him.
Douglas is a first team player and for me is ahead of Kamara. 
Tielemans and Douglas are more experienced and provide more goal threat than Kamara.
Douglas Luiz is the heartbeat of the Villa team not Kamara or so it was proved last season.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: andyh on July 23, 2023, 11:02:29 PM
			

			

				Twitter rumours that Samson has left the camp to join a French club ?
Not in the squad tonight
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on July 23, 2023, 11:02:52 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on July 23, 2023, 10:57:57 PM
I think it's far more likely someone higher up the pecking order decides that they want Kamara for themselves, than we decide we want to upgrade him.

When/if that day comes, he won’t cheap and it will be very useful for FFP. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 23, 2023, 11:20:14 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: andyh on July 23, 2023, 11:02:29 PM
Twitter rumours that Samson has left the camp to join a French club ?
Not in the squad tonight

Two French clubs were meant to be interested in him and we were supposedly open to him leaving. Seems weird to bring him to the US though if it was that close to being done. Although Diaby's arrival, and the circumstances around it, could obviously have a lot to do with that. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 23, 2023, 11:28:10 PM
			

			

				Two players linked who are on frees but we're not signing are:
Wilf Zaha is going to Galatasaray 
Steven Gerrard's Al  Ettifaq are taking striker Moussa Dembélé 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on July 24, 2023, 12:07:23 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on July 23, 2023, 05:15:54 PM
Quote from: paul_e on July 23, 2023, 05:13:31 PM
Quote from: Risso on July 23, 2023, 05:08:22 PM
I think this is the first non-disappointing transfer window since we came back up. I mean, there has been good business before, but we always failed to quite do enough.

I thought the window when we got Watkins was good, my only big complaint was Barkley coming in.

Most were buzzing with that but I remember my Scouse mate saying he's a waster and a piss head. Turned out to be spot on.

I was fuming when we got in that clown. Started really well too!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Matt C on July 24, 2023, 02:58:42 AM
			

			

				Sanson on his way according to  Emery’s post match 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulTheVillan on July 24, 2023, 07:39:20 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Matt C on July 24, 2023, 02:58:42 AM
Sanson on his way according to  Emery’s post match 
 Probably best 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on July 24, 2023, 07:59:15 AM
			

			

				I suspect some on this tour are being put in the shop window. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: frank black on July 24, 2023, 08:43:16 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: DrGonzo on July 23, 2023, 07:25:51 PM
Am I the first to suggest that Doku sounds like a player you could Count on..?

Definitely not
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on July 24, 2023, 11:10:40 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Matt C on July 24, 2023, 02:58:42 AM
Sanson on his way according to  Emery’s post match

Such a let down really, huge hype after his signing..Clearly has plenty of ability but maybe the intensity of PL football was too much for him. Was never going to fit into Emery's midfield four setup so best for all parties that he moves on.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 24, 2023, 11:24:29 AM
			

			

				Berson Mk II

Liked the look of both of them, but several managers though otherwise. Onwards and upwards.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Lescottstweets on July 24, 2023, 11:48:17 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: DrGonzo on July 23, 2023, 07:25:51 PM
Am I the first to suggest that Doku sounds like a player you could Count on..?

Yes, him and Jedi-nak would have been a force
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on July 24, 2023, 11:55:38 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Lescottstweets on July 24, 2023, 11:48:17 AM
Quote from: DrGonzo on July 23, 2023, 07:25:51 PM
Am I the first to suggest that Doku sounds like a player you could Count on..?

Yes, him and Jedi-nak would have been a force

Surprised we've not gone in for Lukeskyle Walker.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: maidstonevillain on July 24, 2023, 12:17:21 PM
			

			

				I think we have just been priced out of the market for Mbappe. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 24, 2023, 12:17:40 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on July 24, 2023, 11:55:38 AM
Quote from: Lescottstweets on July 24, 2023, 11:48:17 AM
Quote from: DrGonzo on July 23, 2023, 07:25:51 PM
Am I the first to suggest that Doku sounds like a player you could Count on..?

Yes, him and Jedi-nak would have been a force

Surprised we've not gone in for Lukeskyle Walker.

We've already got Lucas Digne.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on July 24, 2023, 12:33:07 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on July 24, 2023, 12:17:40 PM
Quote from: LeeB on July 24, 2023, 11:55:38 AM
Quote from: Lescottstweets on July 24, 2023, 11:48:17 AM
Quote from: DrGonzo on July 23, 2023, 07:25:51 PM
Am I the first to suggest that Doku sounds like a player you could Count on..?

Yes, him and Jedi-nak would have been a force

Surprised we've not gone in for Lukeskyle Walker.

We've already got Lucas Digne.

He's another good pLeia
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 24, 2023, 12:50:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on July 24, 2023, 11:55:38 AM
Quote from: Lescottstweets on July 24, 2023, 11:48:17 AM
Quote from: DrGonzo on July 23, 2023, 07:25:51 PM
Am I the first to suggest that Doku sounds like a player you could Count on..?

Yes, him and Jedi-nak would have been a force

Surprised we've not gone in for Lukeskyle Walker.

Yep, he should have been on our Vadar.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: lovejoy on July 24, 2023, 12:54:08 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 23, 2023, 11:28:10 PM
Two players linked who are on frees but we're not signing are:
Wilf Zaha is going to Galatasaray 
Steven Gerrard's Al  Ettifaq are taking striker Moussa Dembélé

And Mbappe
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on July 24, 2023, 01:04:12 PM
			

			

				£259m! Bloody hell. In '96, I thought £15m was a lot for Shearer. 

Hopefully he waits a year and goes to Madrid on a free. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on July 24, 2023, 01:09:34 PM
			

			

				It’s beyond obnoxious. I suppose we’ve said that before. But if Real Madrid can’t buy him now why does the transfer fee and salary need to be those specific numbers and that high? PSG can’t/won’t pay it. There seems to such a lack of transparency right now with how the Saudi’s are doing business or the manner of it. What’s the benefit to them in football terms of buying him for one year and paying that salary? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on July 24, 2023, 01:11:20 PM
			

			

				He could get splinters and still make £100m over the next year without even going to Saudi. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on July 24, 2023, 01:13:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on July 24, 2023, 01:04:12 PM
£259m! Bloody hell. In '96, I thought £15m was a lot for Shearer. 

Hopefully he waits a year and goes to Madrid on a free.

Hopefully not….we don’t want him in the Madrid team when we play them in Champs League 24/25 lol
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on July 24, 2023, 01:14:57 PM
			

			

				Aren’t PSG already owned by Middle Eastern money 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 24, 2023, 01:17:12 PM
			

			

				They're not offering that much money for just one year of his life though, are they? Presumably he'd be on a multi year contract and won't be playing for Madrid any time soon. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on July 24, 2023, 01:18:32 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: john e on July 24, 2023, 01:14:57 PM
Aren’t PSG already owned by Middle Eastern money 

Yes although I’m not sure relations between Qatar and Saudi are particularly hot.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 24, 2023, 01:19:57 PM
			

			

				Fantastic player and everything, but Neymar and Mbappé are exactly the sort of soulless ego-maniacs a club like PSG deserves - spending huge amounts of oil money for players to play in a second tier league.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on July 24, 2023, 01:45:02 PM
			

			

				Let's hope Man City don't think about pairing him and Haaland together. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 24, 2023, 02:04:24 PM
			

			

				Sofyan Amrabat being linked now. Man Utd, Liverpool and Spurs supposedly also interested. Fiorentina want £25/€30 million for him. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SaddVillan on July 24, 2023, 02:06:08 PM
			

			

				Picked this out from Unai's post match interview:

“We are going to continue in our way, our work and the plan we are doing, and adding some different players as well."

A few more signings to come?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on July 24, 2023, 02:09:47 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 24, 2023, 02:04:24 PM
Sofyan Amrabat being linked now. Man Utd, Liverpool and Spurs supposedly also interested. Fiorentina want £25/€30 million for him.

Another midfielder?

We have Doug, The Donk, Tim and Kamara who can play in his position.

Unless it means a sale...  :-X
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 24, 2023, 02:16:25 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on July 24, 2023, 02:09:47 PM
Quote from: AV84 on July 24, 2023, 02:04:24 PM
Sofyan Amrabat being linked now. Man Utd, Liverpool and Spurs supposedly also interested. Fiorentina want £25/€30 million for him.

Another midfielder?

We have Doug, The Donk, Tim and Kamara who can play in his position.

Unless it means a sale...  :-X

Yeah, midfielder. Haven't seen him mentioned in relation to us before today. Quite likely there's nothing in it, but I think the vast majority of players we've been linked with have been midfielders. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 24, 2023, 02:43:25 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on July 24, 2023, 02:09:47 PM
Quote from: AV84 on July 24, 2023, 02:04:24 PM
Sofyan Amrabat being linked now. Man Utd, Liverpool and Spurs supposedly also interested. Fiorentina want £25/€30 million for him.

Another midfielder?

We have Doug, The Donk, Tim and Kamara who can play in his position.

Unless it means a sale...  :-X

Iroegbunam will go on loan. Donk I reckon we will sell. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on July 24, 2023, 02:59:24 PM
			

			

				Some chap called Milo is claiming that the Daily Mail are claiming that Al Nassr are after our Leon Bailey!

https://tbrfootball.com/saudi-arabian-club-could-now-move-to-sign-25m-aston-villa-player/ (https://tbrfootball.com/saudi-arabian-club-could-now-move-to-sign-25m-aston-villa-player/)

No doubt an offer of £3m for us and £30m a year for him then.  ;D
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on July 24, 2023, 03:21:26 PM
			

			

				Seems to be their method.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on July 24, 2023, 03:42:07 PM
			

			

				On the same day the first £1m player died and even that still seems silly for anyone who happens to be decent at kicking a ball around.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Hookeysmith on July 24, 2023, 04:20:23 PM
			

			

				Anyone else get the feeling we may have one more biggy transfer to come?

No ITK or anything but the feeling in my water.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on July 24, 2023, 04:23:03 PM
			

			

				I'm not sure we will spend big again this window.

Spending big on a striker would be big-big and any big-big striker probably isn't coming to us at the minute. Are we going to spend big on a right back or keeper? Right back maybe, but then who?

It does seem to have gone a bit quiet.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 24, 2023, 04:25:03 PM
			

			

				I reckon we’ll buy a right back and Doku. 

Outside chance another striker. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Witton Warrior on July 24, 2023, 04:26:26 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 24, 2023, 04:25:03 PM
I reckon we’ll buy a right back and Doku. 

Outside chance another striker. 

Please let there be a keeper
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on July 24, 2023, 04:27:03 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Witton Warrior on July 24, 2023, 04:26:26 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 24, 2023, 04:25:03 PM
I reckon we’ll buy a right back and Doku. 

Outside chance another striker. 

Please let there be a keeper

Well yes, we don't want to lose any of them! :-)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on July 24, 2023, 04:27:23 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Witton Warrior on July 24, 2023, 04:26:26 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 24, 2023, 04:25:03 PM
I reckon we’ll buy a right back and Doku. 

Outside chance another striker. 

Please let there be a keeper

They should do that kick the ball into the circle and claim a prize thing, and who does it gets to play in goal next game.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 24, 2023, 04:32:13 PM
			

			

				I think we'll still spend a reasonable amount, maybe another £60m total on 3 players but i'd be surprised at any more than that and it probably isn't really needed at this stage, we can look again in Jan or next summer. That said, if they want to blow a shed load more i won't complain.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 24, 2023, 04:36:27 PM
			

			

				Striker situation is a bit like the keeper situation, I think. We're either looking at spending big and replacing Watkins, or keeping the cost down and finding someone who is happy enough to be 2nd choice most of the time, and probably get a handful of starts here and there. 

I honestly don't think we're looking for a replacement for him at the moment, so that does leave us with the Archer/Durán question, or, looking at one of the midfield players being able to play some games basically as an extremely attacking midfielder. 

As for bringing someone in, I don't know, maybe getting someone on loan for a year might be an option? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on July 24, 2023, 04:42:56 PM
			

			

				We have Watkins, Diaby, Archer and Duran. We don't need a young up and coming player because we have two of them. If anything we need a proper out and out centre forward.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dave shelley on July 24, 2023, 04:46:12 PM
			

			

				AOC has raised its head again.  Sky saying us and Brentford interested in signing him.  Let's hope it's one that Brentford win.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on July 24, 2023, 04:54:51 PM
			

			

				I'd rather a top-class RB than a striker, I think. Between Watkins, Diaby and Archer, I think we might be ok up there. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on July 24, 2023, 04:59:20 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: dave shelley on July 24, 2023, 04:46:12 PM
AOC has raised its head again.  Sky saying us and Brentford interested in signing him.  Let's hope it's one that Brentford win.

I wonder if he could do a job as a back up right back? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on July 24, 2023, 05:00:45 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on July 24, 2023, 04:54:51 PM
I'd rather a top-class RB than a striker, I think. Between Watkins, Diaby and Archer, I think we might be ok up there.
Yep, I agree.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 24, 2023, 05:02:11 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: dave shelley on July 24, 2023, 04:46:12 PM
AOC has raised its head again.  Sky saying us and Brentford interested in signing him.  Let's hope it's one that Brentford win.

He had his own thread for 5 minutes and then it all went very quiet. He was linked with a Saudi move for a while too but nothing seems to have come from that either. I wouldn't say no to him if the wages were reasonable enough. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on July 24, 2023, 05:03:15 PM
			

			

				Davis linked with £4-7m move to Luton.....
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 24, 2023, 05:04:43 PM
			

			

				That'd be a good move. He's a local lad too, right?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: placeforparks on July 24, 2023, 05:18:26 PM
			

			

				afternoon rumours:

leon bailey to al-nassr
keinan davis to luton
wesley to watford

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on July 24, 2023, 05:25:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: placeforparks on July 24, 2023, 05:18:26 PM
afternoon rumours:

leon bailey to al-nassr
keinan davis to luton
wesley to watford


Depending on the money being offered for Bailly I think I'd take all of those. I think Bailly is a better player than he gets credit for but we've replaced him with Diaby and can see another player coming in who competes for both that role and with Watkins so I'm not sure how involved Bailly will be. I'd also be willing to give Philogene a chance in the squad because he's a freebie in the european squad.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: N'ZMAV on July 24, 2023, 05:32:45 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: placeforparks on July 24, 2023, 05:18:26 PM
afternoon rumours:

leon bailey to al-nassr
keinan davis to luton
wesley to watford

 sell sell sell
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on July 24, 2023, 05:43:33 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on July 24, 2023, 05:25:17 PM
Quote from: placeforparks on July 24, 2023, 05:18:26 PM
afternoon rumours:

leon bailey to al-nassr
keinan davis to luton
wesley to watford


Depending on the money being offered for Bailly I think I'd take all of those. I think Bailly is a better player than he gets credit for but we've replaced him with Diaby and can see another player coming in who competes for both that role and with Watkins so I'm not sure how involved Bailly will be. I'd also be willing to give Philogene a chance in the squad because he's a freebie in the european squad.

Agree with all that. I think we'd want our money back on Bailey at least, he's still young-ish and has time to improve (or just maintain his current level which may be enough to rip up the Saudi league).
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Chris_Jephcott on July 24, 2023, 05:54:27 PM
			

			

				Inter Milan made a €15 million bid for Emi Martinez apparently.

Rejected. 

From the same bloke who said that he’d be moving to Man Utd or Spurs or something in June.


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on July 24, 2023, 06:20:11 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Chris_Jephcott on July 24, 2023, 05:54:27 PM
Inter Milan made a €15 million bid for Emi Martinez apparently.

Rejected. 

From the same bloke who said that he’d be moving to Man Utd or Spurs or something in June.



Are they planning on just sticking one of Emi's gloves in net? I don't even know if €15 million gets you that much.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on July 24, 2023, 06:31:41 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Chris_Jephcott on July 24, 2023, 05:54:27 PM
Inter Milan made a €15 million bid for Emi Martinez apparently.

Rejected. 

From the same bloke who said that he’d be moving to Man Utd or Spurs or something in June.

That bid is fucking embarrassing. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Matt C on July 24, 2023, 06:32:44 PM
			

			

				Perhaps they wanted a signed shirt 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Londonvilla on July 24, 2023, 06:32:52 PM
			

			

				



Why Moussa Diaby Is PERFECT For Aston Villa

Good watch



			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on July 24, 2023, 06:37:10 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: villadelph on July 24, 2023, 06:31:41 PM
Quote from: Chris_Jephcott on July 24, 2023, 05:54:27 PM
Inter Milan made a €15 million bid for Emi Martinez apparently.

Rejected. 

From the same bloke who said that he’d be moving to Man Utd or Spurs or something in June.

That bid is fucking embarrassing.

It's hilarious! Maybe they were offering to take Olsen too mind....

De Gea anyone? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on July 24, 2023, 06:40:12 PM
			

			

				That’s got to be bollocks.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on July 24, 2023, 06:43:33 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 24, 2023, 06:40:12 PM
That’s got to be bollocks.
I dont know why people even repeat this crap.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on July 24, 2023, 06:46:57 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Matt C on July 24, 2023, 06:32:44 PM
Perhaps they wanted a signed shirt
Cash has probably got it 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on July 24, 2023, 06:47:45 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: dave shelley on July 24, 2023, 04:46:12 PM
AOC has raised its head again.  Sky saying us and Brentford interested in signing him.  Let's hope it's one that Brentford win.
We really cannot compete with likes of Brentford. If they want him they will get aim, we have no chance. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: trinityoap on July 24, 2023, 06:51:22 PM
			

			

				I think that may be a different Emi Martinez
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on July 24, 2023, 06:51:48 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on July 24, 2023, 01:45:02 PM
Let's hope Man City don't think about pairing him and Haaland together. 
The most hilarious  thing that's been doing the round all day is "Tottenham are amongst clubs interested in signing Mbappe" 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on July 24, 2023, 06:53:17 PM
			

			

				Surprised at where Zaha has ended up, thought he might have had offers from teams further up the food chain. Like us. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on July 24, 2023, 06:54:25 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PeterWithe on July 24, 2023, 06:53:17 PM
Surprised at where Zaha has ended up, thought he might have had offers from teams further up the food chain. Like us. 

I'd have liked Zaha but I don't think any PL club was offering what he would have wanted at his age. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Mister E on July 24, 2023, 06:59:24 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 24, 2023, 06:54:25 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on July 24, 2023, 06:53:17 PM
Surprised at where Zaha has ended up, thought he might have had offers from teams further up the food chain. Like us. 
I'd have liked Zaha but I don't think any PL club was offering what he would have wanted at his age. 
And can Galatasary?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on July 24, 2023, 06:59:29 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on July 24, 2023, 06:37:10 PM
Quote from: villadelph on July 24, 2023, 06:31:41 PM
Quote from: Chris_Jephcott on July 24, 2023, 05:54:27 PM
Inter Milan made a €15 million bid for Emi Martinez apparently.

Rejected. 

From the same bloke who said that he’d be moving to Man Utd or Spurs or something in June.

That bid is fucking embarrassing.

It's hilarious! Maybe they were offering to take Olsen too mind....

De Gea anyone?

We paid 20m pounds when he was a backup, why would we sell for 13m after his unbelievable 2022/2023 season?!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 24, 2023, 07:02:21 PM
			

			

				This credits Argentinian journalist Gaston Edul with the claim, and it says that Inter have had zero contact with the player or his representatives, which makes the offer even worse, if it's real. Says Martinez is currently valued at €28 million.

https://www.football365.com/news/inter-laughable-bid-rejected-aston-villa-contact-made-emiliano-martinez
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 24, 2023, 07:03:06 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Chris_Jephcott on July 24, 2023, 05:54:27 PM
Inter Milan made a €15 million bid for Emi Martinez apparently.

Rejected. 

€15 million would just about get you Olsen (if we were in a good mood).
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on July 24, 2023, 07:03:43 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 24, 2023, 06:54:25 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on July 24, 2023, 06:53:17 PM
Surprised at where Zaha has ended up, thought he might have had offers from teams further up the food chain. Like us. 

I'd have liked Zaha but I don't think any PL club was offering what he would have wanted at his age. 

Reportedly £8m a year, £150k a week which doesn’t sound too out of kilter. Can’t see any reports of what signing on fee he’s after mind. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: andyh on July 24, 2023, 07:04:58 PM
			

			

				15m euros might get you a pair of Emi’s gloves, autographed of course.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on July 24, 2023, 07:13:51 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Londonvilla on July 24, 2023, 06:32:52 PM



Why Moussa Diaby Is PERFECT For Aston Villa

Good watch




"Defenders will have had such a bad time they will honestly wonder whether they can call the police." 😂😂
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on July 24, 2023, 07:17:48 PM
			

			

				That Martinez story is obviously bollocks. Might as well stop reading at 'Argentine journalist'. The Argies all seem to think we're not a big enough club for him. 

It's also not how transfers work. Going by the way we've been operating, there's a lot of talk with the player/player's agent/club before the point that an actual offer gets made. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 24, 2023, 07:22:47 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on July 24, 2023, 07:17:48 PM
It's also not how transfers work. Going by the way we've been operating, there's a lot of talk with the player/player's agent/club before the point that an actual offer gets made.

I think that's the point that article is making without actually saying it. It also mentions that they'd have to more than double their offer and says its basically not likely they'll get a deal done. So they're calling BS on the whole thing but still "reporting" on it to get a few clicks. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 24, 2023, 07:37:08 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 24, 2023, 06:54:25 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on July 24, 2023, 06:53:17 PM
Surprised at where Zaha has ended up, thought he might have had offers from teams further up the food chain. Like us. 

I'd have liked Zaha but I don't think any PL club was offering what he would have wanted at his age. 

But where have Galatasary found the money?  Or does he want a go at the champions league? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SaddVillan on July 24, 2023, 07:52:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on July 24, 2023, 05:43:33 PM
Quote from: paul_e on July 24, 2023, 05:25:17 PM
Quote from: placeforparks on July 24, 2023, 05:18:26 PM
afternoon rumours:

leon bailey to al-nassr
keinan davis to luton
wesley to watford


Depending on the money being offered for Bailly I think I'd take all of those. I think Bailly is a better player than he gets credit for but we've replaced him with Diaby and can see another player coming in who competes for both that role and with Watkins so I'm not sure how involved Bailly will be. I'd also be willing to give Philogene a chance in the squad because he's a freebie in the european squad.

Agree with all that. I think we'd want our money back on Bailey at least, he's still young-ish and has time to improve (or just maintain his current level which may be enough to rip up the Saudi league).

We paid c.£30m for him on a 4 Yr contract, so for FFP calculations he stands at £15m on the books. Anything above that will give us a "profit".

He's had 2 seasons to get attuned to the English game, but still seems to be struggling for form and confidence (injuries accepted).

Do we draw a line, decide he's never going to be what we need and take the cash?

With Diaby coming in and Philogene putting in some decent performances, I think it might be best to take the money and put it in the transfer budget
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on July 24, 2023, 07:59:19 PM
			

			

				Nah I think he’s had a good impact since Emery came in. We need quality options and I think he can be one.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: jwarry on July 24, 2023, 08:02:26 PM
			

			

				My Eintracht Frankfurt supporting German neighbour said we should sign this guy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randal_Kolo_Muani
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: enigma on July 24, 2023, 08:17:27 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: jwarry on July 24, 2023, 08:02:26 PM
My Eintracht Frankfurt supporting German neighbour said we should sign this guy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randal_Kolo_Muani
He'll be off to clubs much higher in the food chain I'm afraid.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: N'ZMAV on July 24, 2023, 08:21:29 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 24, 2023, 06:54:25 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on July 24, 2023, 06:53:17 PM
Surprised at where Zaha has ended up, thought he might have had offers from teams further up the food chain. Like us. 

I'd have liked Zaha but I don't think any PL club was offering what he would have wanted at his age. 
 I don't like the tempremental prick, no doubting his ability. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 24, 2023, 08:25:26 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 24, 2023, 06:54:25 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on July 24, 2023, 06:53:17 PM
Surprised at where Zaha has ended up, thought he might have had offers from teams further up the food chain. Like us. 

I'd have liked Zaha but I don't think any PL club was offering what he would have wanted at his age.
 

I like him. Good player, brilliant pantomime villain. That said, maybe when we first came back up he'd have improved us. Now, I don't think he does.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 24, 2023, 08:30:46 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: jwarry on July 24, 2023, 08:02:26 PM
My Eintracht Frankfurt supporting German neighbour said we should sign this guy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randal_Kolo_Muani

Most famous for being the striker that Emi denied in the last minute of extra-time in the World Cup final leading to his tattoo.

But yes, he'll be at Bayern if they don't sign Kane or PSG if they manage to sell Mbappe.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on July 24, 2023, 08:49:09 PM
			

			

				Dread to think how much he'd cost us. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 24, 2023, 09:50:48 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on July 24, 2023, 08:30:46 PM
Quote from: jwarry on July 24, 2023, 08:02:26 PM
My Eintracht Frankfurt supporting German neighbour said we should sign this guy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randal_Kolo_Muani

Most famous for being the striker that Emi denied in the last minute of extra-time in the World Cup final leading to his tattoo.

But yes, he'll be at Bayern if they don't sign Kane or PSG if they manage to sell Mbappe.

Kane is going to Bayern Munich I've heard it.
And Spurs want Kolo Muani for Kane replacement.
Man Utd want him as well. 

Quote from: Smirker on July 24, 2023, 08:49:09 PM
Dread to think how much he'd cost us. 

£70m-£80m
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on July 24, 2023, 10:03:28 PM
			

			

				Sanson joined Nice on season loan
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on July 24, 2023, 10:06:32 PM
			

			

				Aren’t they loaded, shame we can’t get any money in for him. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on July 24, 2023, 10:10:48 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Gareth on July 24, 2023, 10:03:28 PM
Sanson joined Nice on season loan
The most pointless flight from Birmingham to USA ever 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 24, 2023, 10:15:12 PM
			

			

				Comnor Gallagher leaving Chelsea. 
West Ham have bid £40m.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 24, 2023, 10:24:41 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on July 24, 2023, 02:09:47 PM
Quote from: AV84 on July 24, 2023, 02:04:24 PM
Sofyan Amrabat being linked now. Man Utd, Liverpool and Spurs supposedly also interested. Fiorentina want £25/€30 million for him.

Another midfielder?

We have Doug, The Donk, Tim and Kamara who can play in his position.

Unless it means a sale...  :-X
Sofyan Amrabat is going to Man Utd

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on July 24, 2023, 10:46:04 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: VillaTim on July 24, 2023, 10:10:48 PM
Quote from: Gareth on July 24, 2023, 10:03:28 PM
Sanson joined Nice on season loan
The most pointless flight from Birmingham to USA ever 

Since Duran Duran tried to break America? Oh, hang on, they did...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on July 24, 2023, 10:53:08 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on July 24, 2023, 10:46:04 PM
Quote from: VillaTim on July 24, 2023, 10:10:48 PM
Quote from: Gareth on July 24, 2023, 10:03:28 PM
Sanson joined Nice on season loan
The most pointless flight from Birmingham to USA ever 

Since Duran Duran tried to break America? Oh, hang on, they did...
I think he's gone Espanyol on loan mate 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 24, 2023, 10:56:50 PM
			

			

				Ismaila Sarr going from Watford to Marseille for £11m.

Probably worked out for the best that we didn't follow through on that £25m move last summer.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on July 24, 2023, 11:27:49 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on July 24, 2023, 10:56:50 PM
Ismaila Sarr going from Watford to Marseille for £11m.

Probably worked out for the best that we didn't follow through on that £25m move last summer.

Cheers Stevie! That was a Lange solo run wasn't it?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on July 24, 2023, 11:31:22 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Mister E on July 24, 2023, 06:59:24 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 24, 2023, 06:54:25 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on July 24, 2023, 06:53:17 PM
Surprised at where Zaha has ended up, thought he might have had offers from teams further up the food chain. Like us. 
I'd have liked Zaha but I don't think any PL club was offering what he would have wanted at his age. 
And can Galatasary?

I bet they can't afford to pay his wages by November. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on July 24, 2023, 11:59:20 PM
			

			

				Hi salary is £3.75m a year and a signing bonus of £2.25m (I think the last bit is right) 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 25, 2023, 12:04:02 AM
			

			

				A couple of Turkish clubs have been spending big-ish lately. Coutinho was linked to one of them recently, you'd have to assume his wages are quite high. Another one is offering to make AOC their highest paid player, although I suppose that's relative and doesn't necessarily mean big.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 25, 2023, 12:07:58 AM
			

			

				(I'm sure I've made this mistake before ((about footballers, rather than myself. I don't need to worry about tax rates))) I think there's a 20% income tax rate for high earners in Turkey, which makes it attractive.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 25, 2023, 12:17:00 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 25, 2023, 12:07:58 AM
(I'm sure I've made this mistake before ((about footballers, rather than myself. I don't need to worry about tax rates))) I think there's a 20% income tax rate for high earners in Turkey, which makes it attractive.

Stopped a few years ago. It's 40% now.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 25, 2023, 12:18:49 AM
			

			

				Then that's a fucking bizarre decision by him. He should've come here!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on July 25, 2023, 12:39:43 AM
			

			

				There are going to be some teams losing their best players this summer that will be very interesting to see if they rebuild or slump - Palace losing Mr WhinyAngry, Wolves losing Neves/ Moutinho and talk of Podence, Fulham losing Mitrovic could all suffer, Brighton you’d assume will have a plan for MacAllister & to top it all would be Spurs possibly losing Kane
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: sid1964 on July 25, 2023, 06:12:02 AM
			

			

				Read elsewhere that Percy reckons we are after Bamford.


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: frank black on July 25, 2023, 06:35:58 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: sid1964 on July 25, 2023, 06:12:02 AM
Read elsewhere that Percy reckons we are after Bamford.



Imagine 😂 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Chris Smith on July 25, 2023, 06:37:29 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: sid1964 on July 25, 2023, 06:12:02 AM
Read elsewhere that Percy reckons we are after Bamford.



…and if we catch him we’ll kick his fucking head in.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulTheVillan on July 25, 2023, 06:46:02 AM
			

			

				Bamford. Instant vomit. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on July 25, 2023, 06:56:18 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: sid1964 on July 25, 2023, 06:12:02 AM
Read elsewhere that Percy reckons we are after Bamford.

If he could stay fit he’d be a very different option than we already have….if he could stay fit his team probably wouldn’t have been relegated.

Not a player I would personally want here.

Was also thinking yesterday whether Weighorst would  be a good option if we wanted a striker in the squad with different physical options?

Not exactly sexy options as players but different to what we have currently….particularly if we are saying Keinan is done at the club.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on July 25, 2023, 07:04:48 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 25, 2023, 12:18:49 AM
Then that's a fucking bizarre decision by him. He should've come here!

I don’t know. It’s Champions League football at a team competing for the title. It’s also a very passionate football culture, so he’ll be a big star. His options in the Premier League probably weren’t at the equivalent level. Clearly it’s a lower profile league, but I can see the attraction.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on July 25, 2023, 07:22:00 AM
			

			

				Patrick Bamford has 26 goals in 110 Premier League appearances and turns 30 in September.

He’s literally had one good season in the top flight, in a Leeds side that was all-out, gung ho attack. Most average strikers would also have scored a load that season with the chances they were creating. And he still missed a bucket load that a good striker would have converted.

He’s also a grade A twat.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on July 25, 2023, 07:46:28 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 25, 2023, 07:22:00 AM
Patrick Bamford has 26 goals in 110 Premier League appearances and turns 30 in September.

He’s literally had one good season in the top flight, in a Leeds side that was all-out, gung ho attack. Most average strikers would also have scored a load that season with the chances they were creating. And he still missed a bucket load that a good striker would have converted.

He’s also a grade A twat.

Always thought he had the look of a public school bully about him but when I’ve heard him interviewed he comes across as ok.

As for his good season we did contribute massively to that with his hat trick against us :-) 3 very good goals, 3 very bad bits of defending
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: sid1964 on July 25, 2023, 08:21:06 AM
			

			

				People think that Bamford is related to the family that owns JCB - He is not, his father is an architect.

Whenever I have heard him interviewed he sounds like a decent bloke.

I cannot imagine that we are really interested in signing him.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dr.chekov on July 25, 2023, 08:23:09 AM
			

			

				Yeah, he does come across well in interviews. Would be an underwhelming signing though.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on July 25, 2023, 08:25:48 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: sid1964 on July 25, 2023, 08:21:06 AM
People think that Bamford is related to the family that owns JCB - He is not, his father is an architect.

Whenever I have heard him interviewed he sounds like a decent bloke.

I cannot imagine that we are really interested in signing him.

Christ, if his father is an architect, why the hell has he designed a son that keeps falling over?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on July 25, 2023, 08:28:16 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 25, 2023, 08:25:48 AM
Quote from: sid1964 on July 25, 2023, 08:21:06 AM
People think that Bamford is related to the family that owns JCB - He is not, his father is an architect.

Whenever I have heard him interviewed he sounds like a decent bloke.

I cannot imagine that we are really interested in signing him.

Christ, if his father is an architect, why the hell has he designed a son that keeps falling over?

Haha…El Ghazi should have really clouted him….was probably an architectural technique to fall down untouched
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on July 25, 2023, 08:32:34 AM
			

			

				He's not a bad player at all but he's a massive cheating eejit sometimes and has a very twattable face. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 25, 2023, 08:40:44 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: sid1964 on July 25, 2023, 08:21:06 AM
People think that Bamford is related to the family that owns JCB - He is not, 

He is, distantly.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on July 25, 2023, 08:43:44 AM
			

			

				I know Bamford is persona non-grata on here but I actually think he's a canny player when fit which is the problem. If Emery sees something in him, I'm all for it. 

I think it makes sense to bring in a striker who is proven but won't get arsey about not playing every week. And the H&V volte-face when he comes on to score the winner at SidJameses would be hilair 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 25, 2023, 09:13:10 AM
			

			

				Patrick Bamford?

Jesus Christ, please no. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 25, 2023, 09:45:13 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Gareth on July 25, 2023, 07:46:28 AM
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 25, 2023, 07:22:00 AM
Patrick Bamford has 26 goals in 110 Premier League appearances and turns 30 in September.

He’s literally had one good season in the top flight, in a Leeds side that was all-out, gung ho attack. Most average strikers would also have scored a load that season with the chances they were creating. And he still missed a bucket load that a good striker would have converted.

He’s also a grade A twat.

Always thought he had the look of a public school bully about him but when I’ve heard him interviewed he comes across as ok.

As for his good season we did contribute massively to that with his hat trick against us :-) 3 very good goals, 3 very bad bits of defending
Bamford is intelligent and comes from good stock as Deano would say.
He improved under Bielse drastically and Emery would be able to rely on him if it wasn't for his injuries.
I hear that we are after couple top young Spainish players from La Liga.
Monchi is working his magic and be bringing one or two in.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 25, 2023, 09:47:23 AM
			

			

				Emery going back to Villareal for more players is a distinct possibility.
As is a late move for Ferran Torres 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeonW on July 25, 2023, 09:47:39 AM
			

			

				Bamford has had, what, one decent-ish season in the premier league in his entire career (20/21) and turns 30 in a couple of months. Would seem an extremely weird signing.

I would like to see us to get more of a target man option in as or attackers don’t have much aerial threat. I can see more teams start to drop deep against us next season. Bunedia can’t be our main goal threat in the air, very good though he is!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on July 25, 2023, 09:50:37 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 25, 2023, 09:45:13 AM
Quote from: Gareth on July 25, 2023, 07:46:28 AM
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 25, 2023, 07:22:00 AM
Patrick Bamford has 26 goals in 110 Premier League appearances and turns 30 in September.

He’s literally had one good season in the top flight, in a Leeds side that was all-out, gung ho attack. Most average strikers would also have scored a load that season with the chances they were creating. And he still missed a bucket load that a good striker would have converted.

He’s also a grade A twat.

Always thought he had the look of a public school bully about him but when I’ve heard him interviewed he comes across as ok.

As for his good season we did contribute massively to that with his hat trick against us :-) 3 very good goals, 3 very bad bits of defending
Bamford is intelligent and comes from good stock as Deano would say.

:O
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on July 25, 2023, 10:09:15 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clampy on July 25, 2023, 08:32:34 AM
He's not a bad player at all but he's a massive cheating eejit sometimes and has a very twattable face.

He has. Only surpassed by Fernandes who is an outlier. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: garyellis on July 25, 2023, 10:13:01 AM
			

			

				What's this rubbish about inter bidding £13m for Emi?:
They must have missed a zero off
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on July 25, 2023, 10:27:04 AM
			

			

				Bamford is utter shite, did any of you see him play for the last 2 seasons? The amount of times the ball strikes his standing foot from crosses at his age is criminal. One good season, and mostly he's played in championship. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 25, 2023, 10:39:22 AM
			

			

				I don't think we need another center forward. We only play with one and Ollie is doing the job well enough and Archer deserves a chance to deputise. If we loan Duran to someone with a recall option due to injury then i think we're sorted, at this stage anyway. So if we sign Bamford, as uninspiring as it would be i wouldn't really be greatly upset. I wouldn't expect he's play much, just another option on the bench. Maximum 2 year deal though.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 25, 2023, 10:49:04 AM
			

			

				I can think of a million reasons not to sign Bamford, and none whatsoever to sign him. Got to be a load of made up bollocks, this would be up there with the Harewood and Heskey signings.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ROBBO on July 25, 2023, 10:52:03 AM
			

			

				Somehow I don't see Archer as a back up this season.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 25, 2023, 10:53:43 AM
			

			

				I think that if were are going to sign another centre-forward then it makes sense that it's one with experience rather than another youngster, who is happy to fill in as and when required and one that plays in a slightly different way Ollie. 

Let's just have a better one than Bamford please. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villatillidie25 on July 25, 2023, 10:55:05 AM
			

			

				It’s a strange one. We all want Archer to be given a chance but aren’t comfortable with him being first choice back up just in case he doesn’t make the step up (& OW gets injured) and/or because we think we need at least better than Watkins to make the step up and challenge top 4/5 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on July 25, 2023, 10:59:52 AM
			

			

				Diaby can play there too. And Duran.

I wonder if the Bamford thing is because we are sniffing round the other Leeds players, Adams and Gnonto. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on July 25, 2023, 11:09:02 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on July 25, 2023, 10:59:52 AM
Diaby can play there too. And Duran.

I wonder if the Bamford thing is because we are sniffing round the other Leeds players, Adams and Gnonto. 

Lots of people have said this about Diaby but according to transfermarkt he's played there 3 times in 200+ games.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 25, 2023, 11:12:39 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on July 25, 2023, 10:59:52 AM
I wonder if the Bamford thing is because we are sniffing round the other Leeds players, Adams and Gnonto. 

Is there even a Bamford thing? The last thing I can see that John Percy has put online about us was nearly two weeks ago, that we might up our bid for Diaby, a player that until that point he'd never even suggested we were interested in.

So I think it has to be a bit better sourced than what we currently have to make it a "thing".
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 25, 2023, 11:13:31 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on July 25, 2023, 10:49:04 AM
I can think of a million reasons not to sign Bamford, and none whatsoever to sign him. Got to be a load of made up bollocks, this would be up there with the Harewood and Heskey signings.

I'd put it somewhere in between the 'predictable, uninspiring' Heskey and the 'WTF i thought we'd got a borderline billionaire new owner' Harewood. But not nearly as bad as 'Drunken Drinky'.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on July 25, 2023, 11:15:21 AM
			

			

				There’s not enough options at the moment. If Watkins or even Archer got injured at the start of September the season is pretty screwed. 

I really don’t want to see Diaby, Bailey or Tralee being used as CF options if this happens. 

I think Duran needs a loan. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 25, 2023, 11:19:41 AM
			

			

				I think our main focus should be on getting a decent back up keeper. Illan Meslier at Leeds would be my choice, he's sort of out of favour isn't he?  Yes, he's looked a bit ropy for Leeds in a  few games last season but he isn't that bad - nowhere near as bad as Olsen and at 23 can improve massively watching Martinez.   
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 25, 2023, 11:20:16 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: markeeeebeeee2005 on July 25, 2023, 11:15:21 AM
There’s not enough options at the moment. If Watkins or even Archer got injured at the start of September the season is pretty screwed. 

I really don’t want to see Diaby, Bailey or Tralee being used as CF options if this happens. 

I think Duran needs a loan. 

Bert is a beautiful Rose of a striker.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dazvillain on July 25, 2023, 11:22:04 AM
			

			

				Elanga to Forest done. Does this free up Johnson for us or have we moved on from him ? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 25, 2023, 11:22:56 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on July 25, 2023, 10:49:04 AM
I can think of a million reasons not to sign Bamford, and none whatsoever to sign him. Got to be a load of made up bollocks, this would be up there with the Harewood and Heskey signings.

Anyone who thinks there's something there might want to have a word with Leeds fans.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 25, 2023, 11:23:29 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dazvillain on July 25, 2023, 11:22:04 AM
Elanga to Forest done. Does this free up Johnson for us or have we moved on from him ? 

If I were Johnson, I'm not sure I would come to us. He's at an age where he really needs to be playing every week and it's hard to see him doing that here. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on July 25, 2023, 11:29:50 AM
			

			

				I think we'd be best off going to the other end of the scale and looking for someone in their 30s who's got the experience to be able to lead the line if needed but who won't mind missing games.

I have no idea who fits the bill though.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 25, 2023, 11:43:08 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on July 25, 2023, 11:29:50 AM
I think we'd be best off going to the other end of the scale and looking for someone in their 30s who's got the experience to be able to lead the line if needed but who won't mind missing games.

I have no idea who fits the bill though.

Yeah, and I guess that anyone of that profile and is good enough that we might want them is almost certainly going to be the sort of player who might feel they've done their struggle and have earned a couple of years of Saudi millions.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 25, 2023, 11:53:21 AM
			

			

				Johnson would still be my first choice to come in, as i do think we still need a 'forward' but not really someone who is just an out and out striker. If we start the season with Watkins, Archer, Daiby, Johnson, Coutinho, Bailey and Buendia that's plenty really for 2 or 3 in the starting 11, despite a likely large number of games.

I think Johnson would play plenty of games for us to be honest, i wouldn't be too worried about that.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 25, 2023, 11:54:52 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Villatillidie25 on July 25, 2023, 10:55:05 AM
It’s a strange one. We all want Archer to be given a chance but aren’t comfortable with him being first choice back up just in case he doesn’t make the step up (& OW gets injured) and/or because we think we need at least better than Watkins to make the step up and challenge top 4/5

I'd be happy enough with Archer leading the line if Watkins was out for a few weeks with an injury. The problem is more the number of games we're hopefully going to have through the season, especially the first half. It's all hypothetical but say Watkins did pick up a knock and was out for a month, you're then relying on Archer to play all the matches, never mind not get injured. We definitely need a 3rd person, whatever form that takes. And hopefully we get a few more goals from midfield too, which would greatly reduce the pressure on Watkins or Archer. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on July 25, 2023, 12:03:30 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on July 25, 2023, 11:09:02 AM
Quote from: Drummond on July 25, 2023, 10:59:52 AM
Diaby can play there too. And Duran.

I wonder if the Bamford thing is because we are sniffing round the other Leeds players, Adams and Gnonto. 

Lots of people have said this about Diaby but according to transfermarkt he's played there 3 times in 200+ games.

Different places have him as playing pretty much all over the front line, and just in behind too.

Strikes me that we're looking to do similar to Liverpool with Salah, Mane and Firmino, and have fluidity across the lines.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 25, 2023, 12:08:55 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on July 25, 2023, 12:03:30 PM
Quote from: paul_e on July 25, 2023, 11:09:02 AM
Quote from: Drummond on July 25, 2023, 10:59:52 AM
Diaby can play there too. And Duran.

I wonder if the Bamford thing is because we are sniffing round the other Leeds players, Adams and Gnonto. 

Lots of people have said this about Diaby but according to transfermarkt he's played there 3 times in 200+ games.

Different places have him as playing pretty much all over the front line, and just in behind too.

Strikes me that we're looking to do similar to Liverpool with Salah, Mane and Firmino, and have fluidity across the lines.

Emery mentioned Diaby's ability to play across the front line in his interview yesterday
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Hairbandinho on July 25, 2023, 12:39:29 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on July 25, 2023, 11:12:39 AM
Quote from: Drummond on July 25, 2023, 10:59:52 AM
I wonder if the Bamford thing is because we are sniffing round the other Leeds players, Adams and Gnonto. 

Is there even a Bamford thing? The last thing I can see that John Percy has put online about us was nearly two weeks ago, that we might up our bid for Diaby, a player that until that point he'd never even suggested we were interested in.

So I think it has to be a bit better sourced than what we currently have to make it a "thing".

There isn't it was someone trolling on another forum and it's took off. Percy has said nothing about Bamford.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on July 25, 2023, 12:41:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Gareth on July 25, 2023, 06:56:18 AM
Quote from: sid1964 on July 25, 2023, 06:12:02 AM
Read elsewhere that Percy reckons we are after Bamford.

If he could stay fit he’d be a very different option than we already have….if he could stay fit his team probably wouldn’t have been relegated.

Not a player I would personally want here.

Was also thinking yesterday whether Weighorst would  be a good option if we wanted a striker in the squad with different physical options?

Not exactly sexy options as players but different to what we have currently….particularly if we are saying Keinan is done at the club.

We already have a player in Keinan Davis that is different in terms of stature & strength. He has excellent hold up play. Good link up play. Is mobile & pacy. 

And he won't cost us a thing.

I would rather keep him as a different option than pay for Bamford or Weghorst...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 25, 2023, 12:48:20 PM
			

			

				If we're looking for an older head (31) for a season then Mehdi Taremi at Porto fits the bill. He's a goal machine scoring 32 last season, 22 in the league, 5 in CL, 1 in Europa and the rest in domestic cup competition.
He's available and Jorge Mendes has been called in to help shift him. He has one year left on his contract, won't get a new one and Porto would rather cash in.

Bamford would spend most of his time on the treatment table. He's crocked.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 25, 2023, 12:54:19 PM
			

			

				That's a really good shout. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ROBBO on July 25, 2023, 12:58:48 PM
			

			

				If Villa had a good offer for Archer, say 20 million, would we sell him?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 25, 2023, 12:59:38 PM
			

			

				No chance!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 25, 2023, 01:00:30 PM
			

			

				Nooooooooooo
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on July 25, 2023, 01:04:27 PM
			

			

				I wouldn't, but I think we possibly would.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 25, 2023, 01:20:29 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on July 25, 2023, 01:04:27 PM
I wouldn't, but I think we possibly would.

The only thing that would make it worth them thinking about selling would be the immense boost to FFP of selling a youth product.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 25, 2023, 01:20:32 PM
			

			

				You'd have a long queue of clubs willing to take him off our hands for £20m. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 25, 2023, 01:25:25 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on July 25, 2023, 01:20:32 PM
You'd have a long queue of clubs willing to take him off our hands for £20m. 

£20m to a Premier League team with a £25m buy-back option in the first two years. 

Job done, either massive profit or if he carries on as he is we've got a finishing school for him and a shit-hot striker for a the cost of a few million.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on July 25, 2023, 01:38:49 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ROBBO on July 25, 2023, 12:58:48 PM
If Villa had a good offer for Archer, say 20 million, would we sell him?

Hell no...

He should be in our squad ready to compete against lower quality teams until he shows he can compete with Watkins for the first team spot...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on July 25, 2023, 01:40:00 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on July 25, 2023, 12:48:20 PM

Bamford would spend most of his time on the treatment table. He's crocked.

And shit. 

What is his goal record in the Prem?

1 in 4?

1 in 5?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Alex77 on July 25, 2023, 01:41:19 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on July 25, 2023, 11:29:50 AM
I think we'd be best off going to the other end of the scale and looking for someone in their 30s who's got the experience to be able to lead the line if needed but who won't mind missing games.

I have no idea who fits the bill though.

Danny Ings? Obviously not, but he would fit the bill and that's why I don't think the ageing striker option is something the club are considering.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Baldy on July 25, 2023, 02:25:25 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on July 25, 2023, 01:25:25 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on July 25, 2023, 01:20:32 PM
You'd have a long queue of clubs willing to take him off our hands for £20m. 

£20m to a Premier League team with a £25m buy-back option in the first two years. 

Job done, either massive profit or if he carries on as he is we've got a finishing school for him and a shit-hot striker for a the cost of a few million.

Brilliant shout.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 25, 2023, 02:26:08 PM
			

			

				Mohammed Kudus going to Chelsea for £40m 
I think he's a great player and would have loved him as an attacking option at Villa

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: rougegorge on July 25, 2023, 02:26:30 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pablo_picasso on July 25, 2023, 01:40:00 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on July 25, 2023, 12:48:20 PM

Bamford would spend most of his time on the treatment table. He's crocked.

And shit. 

What is his goal record in the Prem?

1 in 4?

1 in 5?
It's around 1 in 3 for Leeds, although that is skewed when he had a very good season in 20/21. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 25, 2023, 02:33:58 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: rougegorge on July 25, 2023, 02:26:30 PM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on July 25, 2023, 01:40:00 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on July 25, 2023, 12:48:20 PM

Bamford would spend most of his time on the treatment table. He's crocked.

And shit. 

What is his goal record in the Prem?

1 in 4?

1 in 5?
It's around 1 in 3 for Leeds, although that is skewed when he had a very good season in 20/21. 

It's skewed because he's been crocked for the last two seasons. Leeds were playing him last season despite him being injured. He was an intelligent player but those days are gone. The sitter he missed last season pretty much relegated Leeds. I like him but only for that.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on July 25, 2023, 02:34:46 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 25, 2023, 08:40:44 AM
Quote from: sid1964 on July 25, 2023, 08:21:06 AM
People think that Bamford is related to the family that owns JCB - He is not, 

He is, distantly.

Even he's not certain about that - https://www.staffordshire-live.co.uk/news/local-news/leeds-united-ace-patrick-bamford-5353501. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on July 25, 2023, 02:36:54 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on July 25, 2023, 12:48:20 PM
If we're looking for an older head (31) for a season then Mehdi Taremi at Porto fits the bill. He's a goal machine scoring 32 last season, 22 in the league, 5 in CL, 1 in Europa and the rest in domestic cup competition.
He's available and Jorge Mendes has been called in to help shift him. He has one year left on his contract, won't get a new one and Porto would rather cash in.

Bamford would spend most of his time on the treatment table. He's crocked.

Looked him up, he'd be perfect for us.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 25, 2023, 02:37:49 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 25, 2023, 02:26:08 PM
Mohammed Kudus going to Chelsea for £40m 
I think he's a great player and would have loved him as an attacking option at Villa

It's the first time I've seen 'Kudus to Chelsea' posted on here.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 25, 2023, 02:51:07 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on July 25, 2023, 02:36:54 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on July 25, 2023, 12:48:20 PM
If we're looking for an older head (31) for a season then Mehdi Taremi at Porto fits the bill. He's a goal machine scoring 32 last season, 22 in the league, 5 in CL, 1 in Europa and the rest in domestic cup competition.
He's available and Jorge Mendes has been called in to help shift him. He has one year left on his contract, won't get a new one and Porto would rather cash in.

Bamford would spend most of his time on the treatment table. He's crocked.

Looked him up, he'd be perfect for us.

Asking price is €15m.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 25, 2023, 02:53:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on July 25, 2023, 02:34:46 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 25, 2023, 08:40:44 AM
Quote from: sid1964 on July 25, 2023, 08:21:06 AM
People think that Bamford is related to the family that owns JCB - He is not, 

He is, distantly.

Even he's not certain about that - https://www.staffordshire-live.co.uk/news/local-news/leeds-united-ace-patrick-bamford-5353501.

“I’m sure they’re related somewhere down the line”.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on July 25, 2023, 02:57:14 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on July 25, 2023, 02:36:54 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on July 25, 2023, 12:48:20 PM
If we're looking for an older head (31) for a season then Mehdi Taremi at Porto fits the bill. He's a goal machine scoring 32 last season, 22 in the league, 5 in CL, 1 in Europa and the rest in domestic cup competition.
He's available and Jorge Mendes has been called in to help shift him. He has one year left on his contract, won't get a new one and Porto would rather cash in.

Bamford would spend most of his time on the treatment table. He's crocked.

Looked him up, he'd be perfect for us.

Is he an older head with a younger body? That would really be perfect. Ideally something in the mid 20’s
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on July 25, 2023, 03:08:41 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 25, 2023, 02:57:14 PM
Quote from: paul_e on July 25, 2023, 02:36:54 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on July 25, 2023, 12:48:20 PM
If we're looking for an older head (31) for a season then Mehdi Taremi at Porto fits the bill. He's a goal machine scoring 32 last season, 22 in the league, 5 in CL, 1 in Europa and the rest in domestic cup competition.
He's available and Jorge Mendes has been called in to help shift him. He has one year left on his contract, won't get a new one and Porto would rather cash in.

Bamford would spend most of his time on the treatment table. He's crocked.

Looked him up, he'd be perfect for us.

Is he an older head with a younger body? That would really be perfect. Ideally something in the mid 20’s

Wasn't that Benjamin Button?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on July 25, 2023, 03:16:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on July 25, 2023, 03:08:41 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 25, 2023, 02:57:14 PM
Quote from: paul_e on July 25, 2023, 02:36:54 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on July 25, 2023, 12:48:20 PM
If we're looking for an older head (31) for a season then Mehdi Taremi at Porto fits the bill. He's a goal machine scoring 32 last season, 22 in the league, 5 in CL, 1 in Europa and the rest in domestic cup competition.
He's available and Jorge Mendes has been called in to help shift him. He has one year left on his contract, won't get a new one and Porto would rather cash in.

Bamford would spend most of his time on the treatment table. He's crocked.

Looked him up, he'd be perfect for us.

Is he an older head with a younger body? That would really be perfect. Ideally something in the mid 20’s

Wasn't that Benjamin Button?

nah all him got younger as time went on. We need someone with experience, maturity but will retain him youthful vigour for his time with us. Be a bit weird if his head stayed 31 but in 5 years his body was 20 and skinnier. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Mister E on July 25, 2023, 04:33:01 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ROBBO on July 25, 2023, 12:58:48 PM
If Villa had a good offer for Archer, say 20 million, would we sell him?
Chuky went for £20m, so that makes Archer a>£30m player doesn't it? Not that I'd sell him: he offers something different Watkins and could become a very useful squad player next season.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 25, 2023, 04:51:09 PM
			

			

				3 days since Diaby officially joined. It's about time we had another really solid link to be frothing over.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 25, 2023, 04:54:54 PM
			

			

				Besiktas apparently back in for Coutinho. He wants 4.5mil a year in wages, which is about 86k a week. We'd presumably want a decent fee for him too. 

https://turkish-football.com/besiktas-make-move-for-midfielder-philippe-coutinho-e4-5m-per-year-being-demanded/?amp=1
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on July 25, 2023, 05:00:47 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Mister E on July 25, 2023, 04:33:01 PM
Quote from: ROBBO on July 25, 2023, 12:58:48 PM
If Villa had a good offer for Archer, say 20 million, would we sell him?
Chuky went for £20m, so that makes Archer a>£30m player doesn't it? Not that I'd sell him: he offers something different Watkins and could become a very useful squad player next season.
They're not really comparable.

Chelsea were gambling on an 18 year old who they were hoping could become a generational talent.  It was a lot of money, but Carney has been labelled as a future star for years.  It was a one off deal.

With Cam, as good as we think he is, a club would be bidding on a 21 y/o who has done pretty well at Championship level.  He would be valued on that basis, in comparison to simar aged players at similar points in their career.  That may be £20-£25m, but Chuks fee is not a benchmark to start from.

I certainly wouldn't sell him.  We've developed him this far, let's see what he can achieve.


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on July 25, 2023, 05:25:11 PM
			

			

				A Twitter rumour says we're tying to hijack the Frank Kessie Milan to Barcelona deal....
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Hookeysmith on July 25, 2023, 05:37:10 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on July 25, 2023, 05:25:11 PM
A Twitter rumour says we're tying to hijack the Frank Kessie Milan to Barcelona deal....

Isnt he not meant to be any good? Or is that the American that bombed at Leeds?

I still think we need a tough ball winner in to push Kamara and would not be surprised if Guenduzi is not still on the radar
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on July 25, 2023, 05:45:28 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Hookeysmith on July 25, 2023, 05:37:10 PM
Quote from: Drummond on July 25, 2023, 05:25:11 PM
A Twitter rumour says we're tying to hijack the Frank Kessie Milan to Barcelona deal....

Isnt he not meant to be any good? Or is that the American that bombed at Leeds?

I still think we need a tough ball winner in to push Kamara and would not be surprised if Guenduzi is not still on the radar

You’re getting Franck Kessié and Weston McKennie mixed up. Old age. It will get all of us eventually. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on July 25, 2023, 05:46:32 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Hookeysmith on July 25, 2023, 05:37:10 PM
Quote from: Drummond on July 25, 2023, 05:25:11 PM
A Twitter rumour says we're tying to hijack the Frank Kessie Milan to Barcelona deal....

Isnt he not meant to be any good? Or is that the American that bombed at Leeds?

I still think we need a tough ball winner in to push Kamara and would not be surprised if Guenduzi is not still on the radar

Kessie is good, McKennie is average at best.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Mister E on July 25, 2023, 06:05:44 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on July 25, 2023, 05:00:47 PM
Quote from: Mister E on July 25, 2023, 04:33:01 PM
Quote from: ROBBO on July 25, 2023, 12:58:48 PM
If Villa had a good offer for Archer, say 20 million, would we sell him?
Chuky went for £20m, so that makes Archer a>£30m player doesn't it? Not that I'd sell him: he offers something different Watkins and could become a very useful squad player next season.
They're not really comparable.

Chelsea were gambling on an 18 year old who they were hoping could become a generational talent.  It was a lot of money, but Carney has been labelled as a future star for years.  It was a one off deal.
With Cam, as good as we think he is, a club would be bidding on a 21 y/o who has done pretty well at Championship level.  He would be valued on that basis, in comparison to simar aged players at similar points in their career.  That may be £20-£25m, but Chuks fee is not a benchmark to start from.
I certainly wouldn't sell him.  We've developed him this far, let's see what he can achieve.
I take your point, Chris, but if I were selling I would be using Chuky's price whenever I could!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Mister E on July 25, 2023, 06:07:56 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Hookeysmith on July 25, 2023, 05:37:10 PM
...  I still think we need a tough ball winner in to push Kamara and would not be surprised if Guenduzi is not still on the radar
I agree; Guendouzi might well still be in the frame; work going on behind the scenes, perhaps.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 25, 2023, 06:10:41 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 25, 2023, 04:54:54 PM
Besiktas apparently back in for Coutinho. He wants 4.5mil a year in wages, which is about 86k a week. We'd presumably want a decent fee for him too. 

https://turkish-football.com/besiktas-make-move-for-midfielder-philippe-coutinho-e4-5m-per-year-being-demanded/?amp=1

Any fee we have to split with Barca 50/50.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: 85kota on July 25, 2023, 06:10:50 PM
			

			

				Guendouzi would fit in so well be a pleasant surprise as has gone quite on that one.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 25, 2023, 06:22:20 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 25, 2023, 05:45:28 PM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on July 25, 2023, 05:37:10 PM
Quote from: Drummond on July 25, 2023, 05:25:11 PM
A Twitter rumour says we're tying to hijack the Frank Kessie Milan to Barcelona deal....

Isnt he not meant to be any good? Or is that the American that bombed at Leeds?

I still think we need a tough ball winner in to push Kamara and would not be surprised if Guenduzi is not still on the radar

You’re getting Franck Kessié and Weston McKennie mixed up. Old age. It will get all of us eventually.
Well that rumour is nonsense.
Kessie is signing for Juventus for less than £20m 
Yet Romeo Lavia to Liverpool is at £40m-£50 plus 

I think Lavia is over rated personally and not worth the fee.
Same with Gallager and Chelsea wanting £50m

Emery and Monchi know of better deals elsewhere outside of the Prem.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on July 25, 2023, 06:33:33 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Mister E on July 25, 2023, 06:07:56 PM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on July 25, 2023, 05:37:10 PM
...  I still think we need a tough ball winner in to push Kamara and would not be surprised if Guenduzi is not still on the radar
I agree; Guendouzi might well still be in the frame; work going on behind the scenes, perhaps.
I really wanted us to sign Guendouzi but I'm not sure he fits the bill as a tough ball winner.  I do think he'd be a lot more capable than Tielemans covering that role, but I think that's the compromise we made to get a good player for free.  I see Doug as Kamara's cover and Teilemans as Doug's cover.  But if we did sign him I'd be pleased.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on July 25, 2023, 06:47:21 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 25, 2023, 06:22:20 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 25, 2023, 05:45:28 PM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on July 25, 2023, 05:37:10 PM
Quote from: Drummond on July 25, 2023, 05:25:11 PM
A Twitter rumour says we're tying to hijack the Frank Kessie Milan to Barcelona deal....

Isnt he not meant to be any good? Or is that the American that bombed at Leeds?

I still think we need a tough ball winner in to push Kamara and would not be surprised if Guenduzi is not still on the radar

You’re getting Franck Kessié and Weston McKennie mixed up. Old age. It will get all of us eventually.
Well that rumour is nonsense.

Irony isn’t dead after all
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 25, 2023, 06:54:23 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on July 25, 2023, 06:10:41 PM
Quote from: AV84 on July 25, 2023, 04:54:54 PM
Besiktas apparently back in for Coutinho. He wants 4.5mil a year in wages, which is about 86k a week. We'd presumably want a decent fee for him too. 

https://turkish-football.com/besiktas-make-move-for-midfielder-philippe-coutinho-e4-5m-per-year-being-demanded/?amp=1

Any fee we have to split with Barca 50/50.

Yeah, I was more wondering about whether they could afford him and his wages, regardless of where the fee went. Think there was talk yesterday about Turkish clubs and money. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: N'ZMAV on July 25, 2023, 07:14:21 PM
			

			

				I want 86k a week too.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Goldenballs on July 25, 2023, 07:35:21 PM
			

			

				I think we'd let him go for next to nothing, happy to get the wages off the books if Emery doesn't fancy him. I'd get rid, he's had a handful of good games. 

Surely we can get the Saudi's involved if we want rid. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 25, 2023, 08:16:59 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 25, 2023, 06:54:23 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on July 25, 2023, 06:10:41 PM
Quote from: AV84 on July 25, 2023, 04:54:54 PM
Besiktas apparently back in for Coutinho. He wants 4.5mil a year in wages, which is about 86k a week. We'd presumably want a decent fee for him too. 

https://turkish-football.com/besiktas-make-move-for-midfielder-philippe-coutinho-e4-5m-per-year-being-demanded/?amp=1

Any fee we have to split with Barca 50/50.

Yeah, I was more wondering about whether they could afford him and his wages, regardless of where the fee went. Think there was talk yesterday about Turkish clubs and money.

Gregg Evans theory 

"Without getting the once-magical Brazilian on board, there probably would not have been Lucas Digne or Diego Carlos or even Boubacar Kamara at Villa Park.
Douglas Luiz’s decision to extend his stay at the club, as other Premier League sides asked the midfielder to run down the final year of his contract and then join them for free this summer, would have been more difficult and perhaps even the head coach, Unai Emery, might have had second thoughts about Villa, too"


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 25, 2023, 08:24:28 PM
			

			

				Gregg Evans is a fucking idiot.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 25, 2023, 08:26:48 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Goldenballs on July 25, 2023, 07:35:21 PM
I think we'd let him go for next to nothing, happy to get the wages off the books if Emery doesn't fancy him. I'd get rid, he's had a handful of good games. 

Surely we can get the Saudi's involved if we want rid.
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 25, 2023, 08:24:28 PM
Gregg Evans is a fucking idiot.
Gregg Evans can speak sense so hardly an idiot. Provided plenty of info and insight on Villa yet seems to get readily dismissed.
Today he said;
"With Coutinho among the squad’s top earners at £135,000 per week, and with three years to run on his deal, a sale would free up funds. Clubs in Turkey have shown interest but were put off by his salary. Saudi Arabia’s Al Ettifaq, now managed by Gerrard, are understood to be keen"
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 25, 2023, 08:29:07 PM
			

			

				He talks more sense than you, I’ll give him that but it’s an exceptionally low bar. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 25, 2023, 08:41:16 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 25, 2023, 08:29:07 PM
He talks more sense than you, I’ll give him that but it’s an exceptionally low bar.
Nothing wrong with me theorising they just aren't for you. You have your own options and theories but it's good to be open to acknowledge others or things that you wouldn't consider. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on July 25, 2023, 09:04:05 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 25, 2023, 08:29:07 PM
He talks more sense than you, I’ll give him that but it’s an exceptionally low bar.
 ;D
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Des Little on July 25, 2023, 09:29:10 PM
			

			

				Let’s get Phil on the same plane as Henderson, save on the old carbon footprint and all that. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on July 25, 2023, 09:32:53 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: N'ZMAV on July 25, 2023, 07:14:21 PM
I want 86k a week too.

I'd accept it per annum.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on July 25, 2023, 09:47:01 PM
			

			

				https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1683938525077729280?s=46&t=maD0RJZXBb8o9yTTrDd-lw

Apparently in talks with 20 year old Spanish right back mark pubill
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on July 25, 2023, 09:50:49 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 25, 2023, 08:24:28 PM
Gregg Evans is a fucking idiot.
Elite post. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on July 25, 2023, 09:51:01 PM
			

			

				That's exactly the profile of player I'd thought we'd bring in for that position, young, Spannish and someone I'd never heard of.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 25, 2023, 09:52:57 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: coreyfeldman on July 25, 2023, 09:47:01 PM
https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1683938525077729280?s=46&t=maD0RJZXBb8o9yTTrDd-lw

Apparently in talks with 20 year old Spanish right back mark pubill
Quote from: LeeB on July 25, 2023, 09:51:01 PM
That's exactly the profile of player I'd thought we'd bring in for that position, young, Spannish and someone I'd never heard of.
6'2 right back defender that's Monchi working his magic.

Yeah I think we'll see a few young up and coming Spainards coming to Villa over Emery tenure.

I can see a Spanish-speaking goal keeper coming.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LukeJames on July 25, 2023, 09:53:56 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: coreyfeldman on July 25, 2023, 09:47:01 PM
https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1683938525077729280?s=46&t=maD0RJZXBb8o9yTTrDd-lw

Apparently in talks with 20 year old Spanish right back mark pubill
Oh god, that name is going to cause mayhem on here.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on July 25, 2023, 10:03:12 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LukeJames on July 25, 2023, 09:53:56 PM
Quote from: coreyfeldman on July 25, 2023, 09:47:01 PM
https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1683938525077729280?s=46&t=maD0RJZXBb8o9yTTrDd-lw

Apparently in talks with 20 year old Spanish right back mark pubill
Oh god, that name is going to cause mayhem on here.

He's a hairs breath from signing.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 25, 2023, 10:06:03 PM
			

			

				Surprised we're not bringing in another Brazilian.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 25, 2023, 10:06:38 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on July 25, 2023, 10:03:12 PM
Quote from: LukeJames on July 25, 2023, 09:53:56 PM
Quote from: coreyfeldman on July 25, 2023, 09:47:01 PM
https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1683938525077729280?s=46&t=maD0RJZXBb8o9yTTrDd-lw

Apparently in talks with 20 year old Spanish right back mark pubill

Oh god, that name is going to cause mayhem on here.

He's a hairs breath from signing.

I'll keep an eye on developments.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: CT Villan on July 25, 2023, 10:20:30 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 25, 2023, 08:41:16 PM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 25, 2023, 08:29:07 PM
He talks more sense than you, I’ll give him that but it’s an exceptionally low bar.
Nothing wrong with me theorising they just aren't for you. You have your own options and theories but it's good to be open to acknowledge others or things that you wouldn't consider. 
 
Except there is nothing particularly insightful about this latest 'exclusive' as there where quite a few on here that suggested Coutinho's signing (and Slippy for that matter) would elevate the status of the club and help us to sign better players...and that was when he originally signed over 12 months ago. It's nice of Gregg to finally catch up.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on July 25, 2023, 10:24:08 PM
			

			

				Greggggg is better than he was covering us for the Mail. But the bar was very low. But he still writes some very obvious stuff for the Athletic, and still mostly bollocks as it relates to us when he’s not stating facts.

I’m finding John Townley refreshingly candid and informative so far by comparison. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 25, 2023, 10:25:57 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on July 25, 2023, 10:06:38 PM
Quote from: Steve67 on July 25, 2023, 10:03:12 PM
Quote from: LukeJames on July 25, 2023, 09:53:56 PM
Quote from: coreyfeldman on July 25, 2023, 09:47:01 PM
https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1683938525077729280?s=46&t=maD0RJZXBb8o9yTTrDd-lw

Apparently in talks with 20 year old Spanish right back mark pubill

Oh god, that name is going to cause mayhem on here.

He's a hairs breath from signing.

I'll keep an eye on developments.
A great student of the game. This pubill will learn well under the professor

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 25, 2023, 10:56:12 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 25, 2023, 10:24:08 PM
Greggggg is better than he was covering us for the Mail. But the bar was very low. But he still writes some very obvious stuff for the Athletic, and still mostly bollocks as it relates to us when he’s not stating facts.

I’m finding John Townley refreshingly candid and informative so far by comparison.

I thought we were getting the ex-Southampton bloke (for our Athletic correspondent).
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: DeeBoy1 on July 25, 2023, 10:58:39 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 25, 2023, 10:56:12 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 25, 2023, 10:24:08 PM
Greggggg is better than he was covering us for the Mail. But the bar was very low. But he still writes some very obvious stuff for the Athletic, and still mostly bollocks as it relates to us when he’s not stating facts.

I’m finding John Townley refreshingly candid and informative so far by comparison.

I thought we were getting the ex-Southampton bloke (for our Athletic correspondent).

John Townley is the new Brum Mail Villa man and I agree with TV that he’s refreshing on the Claret & Blue podcast. I actually quite liked Ashley Preece as well tbf
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 25, 2023, 11:00:07 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: DeeBoy1 on July 25, 2023, 10:58:39 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 25, 2023, 10:56:12 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 25, 2023, 10:24:08 PM
Greggggg is better than he was covering us for the Mail. But the bar was very low. But he still writes some very obvious stuff for the Athletic, and still mostly bollocks as it relates to us when he’s not stating facts.

I’m finding John Townley refreshingly candid and informative so far by comparison.

I thought we were getting the ex-Southampton bloke (for our Athletic correspondent).

John Townley is the new Brum Mail Villa man and I agree with TV that he’s refreshing on the Claret & Blue podcast. I actually quite liked Ashley Preece as well tbf

Yes I know. I was hoping we were getting a Gggregggg replacement.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on July 25, 2023, 11:02:38 PM
			

			

				Matt Kendrick is the best of the bunch
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 25, 2023, 11:04:37 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: VillaTim on July 25, 2023, 11:02:38 PM
Matt Kendrick is the best of the bunch

Ex Heroes & Villains writer.

But none of them are in the same class as Peter Morris, Woodhall or the two blokes off The Villa Podcast.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: KevinGage on July 25, 2023, 11:05:16 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 25, 2023, 10:24:08 PM
Greggggg is better than he was covering us for the Mail. But the bar was very low. But he still writes some very obvious stuff for the Athletic, and still mostly bollocks as it relates to us when he’s not stating facts.

The more obvious stuff he still copies and pastes or raids News Now for. The analysis stuff he farms out to his colleagues. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on July 25, 2023, 11:09:58 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 25, 2023, 11:04:37 PM
Quote from: VillaTim on July 25, 2023, 11:02:38 PM
Matt Kendrick is the best of the bunch

Ex Heroes & Villains writer.

But none of them are in the same class as Peter Morris, Woodhall or the two blokes off The Villa Podcast.
don't disagree. a lot of the podcasts are not for me. Matt Kendrick speaks the most sense on the ones i've seen , always seems calm(ish) and measured . Some of the others are a joke 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 25, 2023, 11:31:48 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on July 19, 2023, 09:33:42 AM
It's been reported that Nico González will not be included in the Barca squad this season. We've been recently linked with him so it will be interesting to see if we try and do a deal.

UPDATE: He's signing for Porto.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 25, 2023, 11:38:06 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on July 25, 2023, 10:03:12 PM
Quote from: LukeJames on July 25, 2023, 09:53:56 PM
Quote from: coreyfeldman on July 25, 2023, 09:47:01 PM
https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1683938525077729280?s=46&t=maD0RJZXBb8o9yTTrDd-lw

Apparently in talks with 20 year old Spanish right back mark pubill
Oh god, that name is going to cause mayhem on here.

He's a hairs breath from signing.

About time, MON wanted him years ago, I remember him saying "he's like a son to me".
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 25, 2023, 11:55:58 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: VillaTim on July 25, 2023, 11:09:58 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 25, 2023, 11:04:37 PM
Quote from: VillaTim on July 25, 2023, 11:02:38 PM
Matt Kendrick is the best of the bunch

Ex Heroes & Villains writer.

But none of them are in the same class as Peter Morris, Woodhall or the two blokes off The Villa Podcast.
don't disagree. a lot of the podcasts are not for me. Matt Kendrick speaks the most sense on the ones i've seen , always seems calm(ish) and measured . Some of the others are a joke

Have you heard The Villa Podcast?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on July 26, 2023, 12:38:55 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on July 24, 2023, 07:17:48 PM
That Martinez story is obviously bollocks. Might as well stop reading at 'Argentine journalist'. The Argies all seem to think we're not a big enough club for him. 

It's also not how transfers work. Going by the way we've been operating, there's a lot of talk with the player/player's agent/club before the point that an actual offer gets made. 
I stopped reading when you said “Argies”
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on July 26, 2023, 01:59:16 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 25, 2023, 08:41:16 PM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 25, 2023, 08:29:07 PM
He talks more sense than you, I’ll give him that but it’s an exceptionally low bar.
Nothing wrong with me theorising they just aren't for you. You have your own options and theories but it's good to be open to acknowledge others or things that you wouldn't consider.

Yet you declared something else as. 'nonsense' only a handful of posts earlier. Make your mind up. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 26, 2023, 02:59:51 AM
			

			

				Never heard of him, but had never heard of Moreno who has been a brilliant signing.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 26, 2023, 06:36:33 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on July 25, 2023, 11:31:48 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on July 19, 2023, 09:33:42 AM
It's been reported that Nico González will not be included in the Barca squad this season. We've been recently linked with him so it will be interesting to see if we try and do a deal.

UPDATE: He's signing for Porto.

Just as I thought.

Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 21, 2023, 05:13:28 PM
There were links with midfielder from Barcelona González but appears he's going to Porto

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on July 26, 2023, 07:01:30 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 25, 2023, 11:04:37 PM
Quote from: VillaTim on July 25, 2023, 11:02:38 PM
Matt Kendrick is the best of the bunch

Ex Heroes & Villains writer.

But none of them are in the same class as Peter Morris, Woodhall or the two blokes off The Villa Podcast.
What about Dan Bardell?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Alex77 on July 26, 2023, 07:08:00 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 26, 2023, 06:36:33 AM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on July 25, 2023, 11:31:48 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on July 19, 2023, 09:33:42 AM
It's been reported that Nico González will not be included in the Barca squad this season. We've been recently linked with him so it will be interesting to see if we try and do a deal.

UPDATE: He's signing for Porto.

Just as I thought.

Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 21, 2023, 05:13:28 PM
There were links with midfielder from Barcelona González but appears he's going to Porto

Did you think that, or did you just regurgitate the work of somebody else as it was widely reported on the date you posted? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 26, 2023, 07:55:56 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on July 26, 2023, 01:59:16 AM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 25, 2023, 08:41:16 PM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 25, 2023, 08:29:07 PM
He talks more sense than you, I’ll give him that but it’s an exceptionally low bar.
Nothing wrong with me theorising they just aren't for you. You have your own options and theories but it's good to be open to acknowledge others or things that you wouldn't consider.

Yet you declared something else as. 'nonsense' only a handful of posts earlier. Make your mind up.
Quite . That was regarding Kessie and Milan and Villa's highjack rumour. That's not theory it was a rumour which I was dismissing. Kessie Juventus is the latest.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RichardBatchelor on July 26, 2023, 07:56:58 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: algy on July 26, 2023, 07:01:30 AM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 25, 2023, 11:04:37 PM
Quote from: VillaTim on July 25, 2023, 11:02:38 PM
Matt Kendrick is the best of the bunch

Ex Heroes & Villains writer.

But none of them are in the same class as Peter Morris, Woodhall or the two blokes off The Villa Podcast.
What about Dan Bardell?

Bardell’s my favourite, just seems such a nice bloke. Kendrick is good too. The two Irish blokes Neil and Paddy are a great laugh as well.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 26, 2023, 07:57:59 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Alex77 on July 26, 2023, 07:08:00 AM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 26, 2023, 06:36:33 AM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on July 25, 2023, 11:31:48 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on July 19, 2023, 09:33:42 AM
It's been reported that Nico González will not be included in the Barca squad this season. We've been recently linked with him so it will be interesting to see if we try and do a deal.

UPDATE: He's signing for Porto.

Just as I thought.

Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 21, 2023, 05:13:28 PM
There were links with midfielder from Barcelona González but appears he's going to Porto

Did you think that, or did you just regurgitate the work of somebody else as it was widely reported on the date you posted?
Researched the facts and conceived my own thoughts upon  coming to the conclusion and González move is just as I thought as it suits Porto and their type of signing

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Mister E on July 26, 2023, 08:16:55 AM
			

			

				Manchester Utd have put a price tag of £40m on McTominay - looks pretty top-end to me but since post-Rice Spam appears to be the strongest suitor it is perhaps not surprising.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on July 26, 2023, 08:29:12 AM
			

			

				I'd cry if we were going to spend £40m on McTominay.


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 26, 2023, 08:31:26 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Mister E on July 26, 2023, 08:16:55 AM
Manchester Utd have put a price tag of £40m on McTominay - looks pretty top-end to me but since post-Rice Spam appears to be the strongest suitor it is perhaps not surprising.

Considering Soucek's form has dropped off a cliff as well, they've got some big central midfield problems.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulTheVillan on July 26, 2023, 08:51:45 AM
			

			

				Unless we sell Donk, I think we're pretty much Ok for cnetre midfield. I can't see us going for McTominay. I'd imagine for £40m, Emery would have other targets in mind.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on July 26, 2023, 08:55:01 AM
			

			

				You've got to laugh as well at Man Utd seemingly using their Guardian lap dog Jamie Jackson to announce the price they would like for their overpaid, unwanted players.

I'm sure you would like £50m for Maguire and £40m for McTominay, good luck with that chaps.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 26, 2023, 09:02:34 AM
			

			

				I dont think either are bad players but their pricing is ridiculous 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 26, 2023, 09:05:57 AM
			

			

				I think McTominay is a bit underrated to be honest, but don't see who he'd get into our midfield over. As an £18m utility player perhaps, sure, bring him in. Above that, no thanks.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Holte Antipode on July 26, 2023, 09:14:10 AM
			

			

				He'd no doubt work very well alongside McGinn, based on their level of national team rapport. But I agree, who would he actually displace to get into our midfield? It's looking very strong already.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on July 26, 2023, 09:15:39 AM
			

			

				He'd be a solid player to bring on in the 70th minute in Europeans games to close them out. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on July 26, 2023, 09:18:06 AM
			

			

				Yes, they've a few players who would do a job at the right price, but that's generally at least half of what they're asking.

When you then add on the fact their players are all overpaid in relation to what they'd earn elsewhere, it's even less appealing. 

I hope they stick to their guns and continue paying ridiculous sums to players they don't want anymore on some vague hope they'll get a fee back
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: danno on July 26, 2023, 09:25:34 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on July 26, 2023, 08:55:01 AM
You've got to laugh as well at Man Utd seemingly using their Guardian lap dog Jamie Jackson to announce the price they would like for their overpaid, unwanted players.

I'm sure you would like £50m for Maguire and £40m for McTominay, good luck with that chaps.

I know you can practically see Old Trafford from media city but the BBC are not much better. They posted a whole article on a Danish striker the other day, on the basis that Man United may or may not sign him.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Alex77 on July 26, 2023, 09:28:10 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 26, 2023, 07:57:59 AM
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Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 26, 2023, 06:36:33 AM
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Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on July 19, 2023, 09:33:42 AM
It's been reported that Nico González will not be included in the Barca squad this season. We've been recently linked with him so it will be interesting to see if we try and do a deal.

UPDATE: He's signing for Porto.

Just as I thought.

Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 21, 2023, 05:13:28 PM
There were links with midfielder from Barcelona González but appears he's going to Porto

Did you think that, or did you just regurgitate the work of somebody else as it was widely reported on the date you posted?
Researched the facts and conceived my own thoughts upon  coming to the conclusion and González move is just as I thought as it suits Porto and their type of signing


Ah okay. Then and I commend you on being able to read the thoughts of others, coming to the same conclusion they did, post it on this forum and then a few days later post again for the purpose of ego inflation.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: astonvilla82 on July 26, 2023, 09:39:48 AM
			

			

				Got to admit there is some really clever people on here,a lot clever then me, edited just in case I get pulled up for bad spelling 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 26, 2023, 10:07:01 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on July 26, 2023, 09:05:57 AM
I think McTominay is a bit underrated to be honest, but don't see who he'd get into our midfield over. As an £18m utility player perhaps, sure, bring him in. Above that, no thanks.

I think he is exactly the sort of crud Everton have traditionally hoovered up from Man United et al for far too much money. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 26, 2023, 10:07:40 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: astonvilla82 on July 26, 2023, 09:39:48 AM
Got to admit there is some really clever people on here,a lot clever then me, edited just in case I get pulled up for bad spelling 

You need to add a space after the comma. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Olneythelonely on July 26, 2023, 10:24:00 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 26, 2023, 10:07:40 AM
Quote from: astonvilla82 on July 26, 2023, 09:39:48 AM
Got to admit there is some really clever people on here,a lot clever then me, edited just in case I get pulled up for bad spelling 

You need to add a space after the comma.

A full stop wouldn’t do any harm either. Missing a “more” too. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on July 26, 2023, 10:26:45 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulTheVillan on July 26, 2023, 08:51:45 AM
Unless we sell Donk, I think we're pretty much Ok for cnetre midfield. I can't see us going for McTominay. I'd imagine for £40m, Emery would have other targets in mind.

Yeah, don't think we will see another central midfielder coming in either unless someone leaves.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on July 26, 2023, 10:29:55 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 26, 2023, 10:07:01 AM
I think he is exactly the sort of crud Everton have traditionally hoovered up from Man United et al for far too much money. 

Normally just beating Sunderland to his signature.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: astonvilla82 on July 26, 2023, 10:31:01 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Olneythelonely on July 26, 2023, 10:24:00 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 26, 2023, 10:07:40 AM
Quote from: astonvilla82 on July 26, 2023, 09:39:48 AM
Got to admit there is some really clever people on here,a lot clever then me, edited just in case I get pulled up for bad spelling 

You need to add a space after the comma.

A full stop wouldn’t do any harm either. Missing a “more” too.
 thank you for the correction 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 26, 2023, 10:56:14 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: astonvilla82 on July 26, 2023, 10:31:01 AM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on July 26, 2023, 10:24:00 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 26, 2023, 10:07:40 AM
Quote from: astonvilla82 on July 26, 2023, 09:39:48 AM
Got to admit there is some really clever people on here,a lot clever then me, edited just in case I get pulled up for bad spelling 

You need to add a space after the comma.

A full stop wouldn’t do any harm either. Missing a “more” too.
 thank you for the correction
Yes there are
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on July 26, 2023, 10:57:04 AM
			

			

				...Jim-lad!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on July 26, 2023, 10:59:21 AM
			

			

				This must be the first time in living memory on here that we think we’re okay in the midfield department

It’s a nice feeling
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 26, 2023, 11:00:13 AM
			

			

				John Percy 
"Cooper’s transfer business for the new season will also depend on players leaving the club to bring down numbers.

The future of Johnson, the Wales international, is still up in the air and he is likely to be sold if a club pays over £40 million. Brentford have already had a £30 milllion proposal turned down and remain interested, while Aston Villa and Tottenham are admirers.

Forest are determined to avoid breaching Financial Fair Play regulations and Johnson’s sale would unquestionably help. It would be unpopular with fans yet the stark reality is that clubs of Forest’s size, who lack the commercial revenue of the ‘big six’, have to operate in this way"


I can see Villa being the most obvious attraction for him.
£40m should be good enough then.


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 26, 2023, 11:02:04 AM
			

			

				That last part does sound la bit like Percy preparing the fans for his departure.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 26, 2023, 11:06:17 AM
			

			

				Forest lowered their asking price from £50 million to £40 million then


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 26, 2023, 11:07:59 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: RichardBatchelor on July 26, 2023, 07:56:58 AM
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Quote from: VillaTim on July 25, 2023, 11:02:38 PM
Matt Kendrick is the best of the bunch

Ex Heroes & Villains writer.

But none of them are in the same class as Peter Morris, Woodhall or the two blokes off The Villa Podcast.
What about Dan Bardell?

Bardell’s my favourite, just seems such a nice bloke. Kendrick is good too. The two Irish blokes Neil and Paddy are a great laugh as well.

Wait til you hear the two Irish guys Conor and Liam.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 26, 2023, 11:16:44 AM
			

			

				If Forest have major FFP challenges, then the chance to see a home-produced player for 40 or 50m, no matter how much they'd rather keep him, is going to be almost impossible for them not to do.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Alex77 on July 26, 2023, 11:19:14 AM
			

			

				I rate Johnson and in today's market of crazy prices, £40 mil is probably the going rate. With the purchase of Diaby though, I'm not sure we would be in for him as don't they play similar roles? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 26, 2023, 11:20:30 AM
			

			

				Didn't Vinnie say that we were after both, and it wasn't one or the other?

May or may not be right, but thinking aloud.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Alex77 on July 26, 2023, 11:27:24 AM
			

			

				Perhaps and I suppose we don't know how the players are going to be utilised. If we were after him, it probably means a faster exit for some on the periphery.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bad English on July 26, 2023, 11:36:51 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: algy on July 26, 2023, 07:01:30 AM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 25, 2023, 11:04:37 PM
Quote from: VillaTim on July 25, 2023, 11:02:38 PM
Matt Kendrick is the best of the bunch

Ex Heroes & Villains writer.

But none of them are in the same class as Peter Morris, Woodhall or the two blokes off The Villa Podcast.
What about Dan Bardell?
Who is Dan Bardell?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 26, 2023, 11:46:40 AM
			

			

				That Canadian Pete does brilliant podcasts , not really gossip like the others , just good analysis on the Villa and well put together.

Holy Trinity its called.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on July 26, 2023, 11:48:32 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 26, 2023, 11:20:30 AM
Didn't Vinnie say that we were after both, and it wasn't one or the other?

May or may not be right, but thinking aloud.

I think he said Diaby & Johnson.

The media were claiming Diabi & Doku...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on July 26, 2023, 11:56:39 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Alex77 on July 26, 2023, 11:19:14 AM
I rate Johnson and in today's market of crazy prices, £40 mil is probably the going rate. With the purchase of Diaby though, I'm not sure we would be in for him as don't they play similar roles?

Johnson is a striker first and foremost, who can also play wide if needed.  I think he would be a good fit at this point, but it's a lot of money for someone who is going to start off as second choice.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on July 26, 2023, 12:01:46 PM
			

			

				All gone quiet on the Doku front, don't know whether that's due to Emery being impressed by Philogene. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 26, 2023, 12:09:41 PM
			

			

				Philogene and Kellyman both looked extremely impressive.

I know it's only a pre-season friendly, but even so.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on July 26, 2023, 12:11:48 PM
			

			

				I've liked the look of Philogene every time I've seen him play, which is not that many all told but he's still stood out each time to my eye.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 26, 2023, 12:13:16 PM
			

			

				Gnonto links seem to have died away too. Everton now faves to sign him.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on July 26, 2023, 12:13:52 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on July 26, 2023, 12:01:46 PM
All gone quiet on the Doku front, don't know whether that's due to Emery being impressed by Philogene.

I wonder if he 'was' merely the backup option if Diaby failed?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on July 26, 2023, 12:15:18 PM
			

			

				In general, there's usually 1 or 2 young players that impress in pre-season and can put themselves in the first team picture. It's getting tougher with the number of senior players we have now. In that wide right position, we now have McGinn, Diaby, Bailey and Philogene contesting for their place. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 26, 2023, 12:15:37 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 26, 2023, 12:13:16 PM
Gnonto links seem to have died away too. Everton now faves to sign him.

Bit of a comedown for him, poor lad.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on July 26, 2023, 12:15:52 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 26, 2023, 12:09:41 PM
Philogene and Kellyman both looked extremely impressive.

I know it's only a pre-season friendly, but even so.

I don't think Kellyman is ready yet. He needs to fill his frame a bit more. Emery mentioned similar.

Once he has spent some time in the gym, then signed a pro contract, then send him out on loan for 6 months to assess where he is at.

Philogene-Bidace should be a backup option in the squad for Diaby & Bailey...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on July 26, 2023, 12:17:02 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on July 26, 2023, 12:11:48 PM
I've liked the look of Philogene every time I've seen him play, which is not that many all told but he's still stood out each time to my eye.

He is pleasing to the eye with his pace & trickery. 

Which masks the fact that its his end product & consistency that has been his problem up until now...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on July 26, 2023, 12:20:28 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pablo_picasso on July 26, 2023, 12:17:02 PM
Quote from: LeeB on July 26, 2023, 12:11:48 PM
I've liked the look of Philogene every time I've seen him play, which is not that many all told but he's still stood out each time to my eye.

He is pleasing to the eye with his pace & trickery. 

Which masks the fact that its his end product & consistency that has been his problem up until now...

He's got the tools, no doubt. You'd like to think someone like Emery would help him refine it down to pure product and turn him into a star.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 26, 2023, 12:21:59 PM
			

			

				He impressed me more than Chuk that day they came on at Tottenham, despite all the hype around Chuk. Haven't really heard / noticed much about him since but he's still young.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 26, 2023, 12:26:32 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on July 26, 2023, 12:15:37 PM
Quote from: AV84 on July 26, 2023, 12:13:16 PM
Gnonto links seem to have died away too. Everton now faves to sign him.

Bit of a comedown for him, poor lad.

Another season of circling the relegation drain.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: astonvilla82 on July 26, 2023, 12:38:12 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 26, 2023, 10:56:14 AM
Quote from: astonvilla82 on July 26, 2023, 10:31:01 AM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on July 26, 2023, 10:24:00 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 26, 2023, 10:07:40 AM
Quote from: astonvilla82 on July 26, 2023, 09:39:48 AM
Got to admit there is some really clever people on here,a lot clever then me, edited just in case I get pulled up for bad spelling 

You need to add a space after the comma.

A full stop wouldn’t do any harm either. Missing a “more” too.
 thank you for the correction
Yes there are
 shouldn't be "Yes there is", might as well join in.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 26, 2023, 12:43:38 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: tomd2103 on July 26, 2023, 11:56:39 AM
Quote from: Alex77 on July 26, 2023, 11:19:14 AM
I rate Johnson and in today's market of crazy prices, £40 mil is probably the going rate. With the purchase of Diaby though, I'm not sure we would be in for him as don't they play similar roles?
Johnson is a striker first and foremost, who can also play wide if needed.  I think he would be a good fit at this point, but it's a lot of money for someone who is going to start off as second choice.

A front 3 of Johnson, Watkins, Diaby would  be quite the trio.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on July 26, 2023, 12:46:38 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on July 26, 2023, 12:15:37 PM
Quote from: AV84 on July 26, 2023, 12:13:16 PM
Gnonto links seem to have died away too. Everton now faves to sign him.

Bit of a comedown for him, poor lad.

Still a step up from where he is now though.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 26, 2023, 01:03:06 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on July 26, 2023, 12:46:38 PM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on July 26, 2023, 12:15:37 PM
Quote from: AV84 on July 26, 2023, 12:13:16 PM
Gnonto links seem to have died away too. Everton now faves to sign him.

Bit of a comedown for him, poor lad.

Still a step up from where he is now though.

Out of the frying pan and into another frying pan.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on July 26, 2023, 01:04:34 PM
			

			

				Unai Emery: "'We have to analyse everything and we have another minimum of 30 or 40 days to finish the transfer window and we are open to adding a few  players and as well we are open to allowing some players to leave who  are in the squad now. If we can improve, we have to do it and we have to  have a lot of information about how the transfer could leave us  something more and we are ready for it." @johntownley11 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 26, 2023, 01:05:13 PM
			

			

				Gnonto for us was probably nothing than a very remote backstop in case the Diaby deal didn't come us.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 26, 2023, 01:09:15 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 26, 2023, 06:36:33 AM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on July 25, 2023, 11:31:48 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on July 19, 2023, 09:33:42 AM
It's been reported that Nico González will not be included in the Barca squad this season. We've been recently linked with him so it will be interesting to see if we try and do a deal.

UPDATE: He's signing for Porto.

Just as I thought.

Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 21, 2023, 05:13:28 PM
There were links with midfielder from Barcelona González but appears he's going to Porto

Well it was pretty widely reported last week there was an agreement between Barca and Porto so no surprise he's signing for them. I just wondered if we'd come in with a late bid. Speaking of late bids, we're also not making one for Boca Juniors striker Mateo Retegui, he's joining Genoa. Shame.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on July 26, 2023, 01:14:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on July 26, 2023, 12:43:38 PM
A front 3 of Johnson, Watkins, Diaby would  be quite the trio.

Would have ridiculous pace... 

Lovely, lol...

Quote from: LeeB on July 26, 2023, 12:20:28 PM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on July 26, 2023, 12:17:02 PM
Quote from: LeeB on July 26, 2023, 12:11:48 PM
I've liked the look of Philogene every time I've seen him play, which is not that many all told but he's still stood out each time to my eye.

He is pleasing to the eye with his pace & trickery. 

Which masks the fact that its his end product & consistency that has been his problem up until now...

He's got the tools, no doubt. You'd like to think someone like Emery would help him refine it down to pure product and turn him into a star.

The 'Emery factor' is a great point & one I hadn't thought about for some reason.

His help with the likes of Watkins, Douglas Luiz, the two CBs, etc, has been nothing short of incredible.

If he can help Philogene-Bidace in the same way by looking at the negatives & trying to stamp those out, while trying to simplify the positives, he could become very useful in 6 months or less.

And he is meticulous about it too, so could really help change the kids game...

Great point... 👍
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on July 26, 2023, 01:16:01 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on July 26, 2023, 01:05:13 PM
Gnonto for us was probably nothing than a very remote backstop in case the Diaby deal didn't come us.

As backstops go, he was about as inspiring as the NI Protocol. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 26, 2023, 01:32:01 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 26, 2023, 11:20:30 AM
Didn't Vinnie say that we were after both, and it wasn't one or the other?

May or may not be right, but thinking aloud.

Correct, we 100% are interested in Johnson. Don't think we will do it at £50m mark mind. If it could be done for around £40m including add ons then i could see it happening 


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: cdward on July 26, 2023, 01:35:01 PM
			

			

				The Emery Factor is definitely a strong pull.
Pau and Diaby both worked with him before and were happy to sign.
Mings and McGinn have said how much they have enjoyed learning and improving under him.


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on July 26, 2023, 02:05:38 PM
			

			

				The other thing to remember with Philogene is that for tricky wingers it's pretty normal for the end product to not quite be there at that age. Part of the gamble with players like that is trying to pick the ones that can make that final step up.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Scott Nielsen on July 26, 2023, 02:13:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on July 26, 2023, 11:46:40 AM
That Canadian Pete does brilliant podcasts , not really gossip like the others , just good analysis on the Villa and well put together.

Holy Trinity its called.

I've never seen someone as orange as he is the latest episode. Trump pales in comparison. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on July 26, 2023, 02:44:10 PM
			

			

				Since he got that sponsor he's really turned that scouse tan right up
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Mister E on July 26, 2023, 03:20:12 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on July 26, 2023, 02:05:38 PM
The other thing to remember with Philogene is that for tricky wingers it's pretty normal for the end product to not quite be there at that age. Part of the gamble with players like that is trying to pick the ones that can make that final step up.
Andre Green is an example of not quite making it. Tony Daley managed to harness his pace with some assists.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on July 26, 2023, 03:47:21 PM
			

			

				Hang on shouldn't that be on the ex-players still playing thread?

Or the Tony Daley one? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: danno on July 26, 2023, 05:04:37 PM
			

			

				Only rumours I’ve seen lately are a loan for Wesley to Watford, and Keinan Davis possibly moving permanently to Luton for £7 million.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on July 26, 2023, 05:20:57 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: danno on July 26, 2023, 05:04:37 PM
Only rumours I’ve seen lately are a loan for Wesley to Watford, and Keinan Davis possibly moving permanently to Luton for £7 million.

Love to see them both be able to move on and get on with their lives.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on July 26, 2023, 05:27:34 PM
			

			

				No Doku for Rennes in their friendly... 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ian. on July 26, 2023, 05:38:43 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on July 26, 2023, 03:47:21 PM
Hang on shouldn't that be on the ex-players still playing thread?

Or the Tony Daley one? 

Is that you Footy?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on July 26, 2023, 05:41:56 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on July 26, 2023, 05:27:34 PM
No Doku for Rennes in their friendly...
have you checked Flight Radar 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on July 26, 2023, 06:31:19 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: VillaTim on July 26, 2023, 05:41:56 PM
Quote from: Drummond on July 26, 2023, 05:27:34 PM
No Doku for Rennes in their friendly...
have you checked Flight Radar

Nah, he's going on Eurotunnel. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 26, 2023, 07:02:09 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on July 26, 2023, 05:27:34 PM
No Doku for Rennes in their friendly... 

He is. 

Came on at half time. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Louzie0 on July 26, 2023, 08:12:15 PM
			

			

				I just heard Lee Hendrie being interviewed on Sky’s transfers programme. He’s not going overboard about our prospects next season and would like to end up 7th at the end of the season. What with false dawns before, Villa fans can get carried away. It ‘s going to be hard going, even with Unai Emery and the new signings. 

I feel that my expectations have been well and truly managed!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villatillidie25 on July 26, 2023, 08:30:30 PM
			

			

				This is probably fair to be honest. Spurs and Chelsea will be better as will the ones we finished below, Arsenal, Liverpool, and United. City will be City. Newcastle are a bit of an unknown and I think Brighton will drop back a little. 
I see us as anywhere between 5th and 8th to be honest, which would be good if we can combine it with runs in all of the cups. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on July 26, 2023, 09:03:41 PM
			

			

				Why will Spurs necessarily be better out of interest? Also fuck knows with Chelsea they still appear to be targeting wide forwards pretty much exclusively.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 26, 2023, 09:07:48 PM
			

			

				I'd like to maintain European football, of any kind. So if that means a slightly lower league finish but we win a cup, then I think I'd be happy with that. Or out early in all cups and only league to think about from January onwards, then we should be finishing top 6. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: nigel on July 26, 2023, 09:16:14 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 26, 2023, 09:03:41 PM
Why will Spurs necessarily be better out of interest? Also fuck knows with Chelsea they still appear to be targeting wide forwards pretty much exclusively.

If Kane leaves Spurs they should be significantly weaker, as they will need to find 30 goals.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on July 26, 2023, 09:19:07 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Villatillidie25 on July 26, 2023, 08:30:30 PM
This is probably fair to be honest. Spurs and Chelsea will be better as will the ones we finished below, Arsenal, Liverpool, and United. City will be City. Newcastle are a bit of an unknown and I think Brighton will drop back a little. 
I see us as anywhere between 5th and 8th to be honest, which would be good if we can combine it with runs in all of the cups.
The squad isn't deep enough to cope with Europe and the EPL. 
10th and a trophy would be some achievement
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on July 26, 2023, 09:22:38 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Villatillidie25 on July 26, 2023, 08:30:30 PM
This is probably fair to be honest. Spurs and Chelsea will be better as will the ones we finished below, Arsenal, Liverpool, and United. City will be City. Newcastle are a bit of an unknown and I think Brighton will drop back a little. 
I see us as anywhere between 5th and 8th to be honest, which would be good if we can combine it with runs in all of the cups.

If Spurs sell Kane they'll be effing effed. Especially considering their owner was just charged with securities fraud and insider trading. Usually if you've been charged, you're already guilty. 

Quote
A 29-page document, United States of America v Joseph Lewis, sets out the reasons for charging Lewis, an 86-year-old “billionaire businessman and investor”.

There are 13 counts of securities fraud, each of which carries a maximum sentence of 20 years in prison; three counts of securities fraud (each a maximum sentence of 25 years in prison); and three counts of conspiracy (each a maximum sentence of five years in prison).

The U.S. government alleges that between 2013 and 2021, Lewis violated securities laws through inside trading and submitting false and misleading filings with the United States Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC), which enforces the law against market manipulation.

They accuse him of using inside information about companies in order to tip off friends and associates, including “his personal pilots, personal assistants, romantic partners”, so that they could profit from the information by trading securities in advance of disclosure to the public.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on July 26, 2023, 09:44:01 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on July 26, 2023, 05:27:34 PM
No Doku for Rennes in their friendly... 

Nor his girlfriend Su? That's puzzling. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Louzie0 on July 26, 2023, 10:25:41 PM
			

			

				I do understand that playing more games through Euro matches and hopefully a longer domestic Cup run (or two) will challenge the manager and the squad, but Unai is an experienced international Cup contender and we’ve been buying some cracking players! More to come, too, if Monchi continues to do his thing.

Maybe the Big One is 2 or 3 seasons away, but really, what have Chelsea, Spurs or anybody else (other than the insanely rich, or Arsenal) got that beats us in the PL?  I would like to think 3-5 is a more ‘realistic’ finish for Villa this season. 

And a cup!


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on July 26, 2023, 10:32:06 PM
			

			

				Honestly, it'll be a big challenge. We're so much better, but everyone else does know how we play now. Plus there is every chance that Liverpool and Chelsea come back stronger than last year (Tottenham, not quite as much chance but we'll find out), that Newcastle kick on, that Man Utd improve and Arsenal build on last year...

Ah fuck it, we're winning the league.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Louzie0 on July 26, 2023, 10:35:30 PM
			

			

				Of course we are!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on July 26, 2023, 10:42:29 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Villatillidie25 on July 26, 2023, 08:30:30 PM
This is probably fair to be honest. Spurs and Chelsea will be better as will the ones we finished below, Arsenal, Liverpool, and United. City will be City. Newcastle are a bit of an unknown and I think Brighton will drop back a little. 
I see us as anywhere between 5th and 8th to be honest, which would be good if we can combine it with runs in all of the cups. 
Quote from: Villatillidie25 on July 26, 2023, 08:30:30 PM
This is probably fair to be honest. Spurs and Chelsea will be better as will the ones we finished below, Arsenal, Liverpool, and United. City will be City. Newcastle are a bit of an unknown and I think Brighton will drop back a little. 
I see us as anywhere between 5th and 8th to be honest, which would be good if we can combine it with runs in all of the cups. 

Finishing 8th will be a disappointment for me now
7th again acceptable, but top 6th would be an improvement which is what we should be aiming for

I’d love a cup win, any of them will do, but I fear we will have no chance because Olsen will be wobbled out for them which is tantamount to throwing in the towel 




			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on July 26, 2023, 10:47:15 PM
			

			

				So far we've improved our squad more than anyone else except maybe Arsenal and that's a squad who were champions league form for 3/4s of the season. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on July 26, 2023, 11:40:36 PM
			

			

				And the quality of opponents in the Conference League isn't exactly Champions League (like Newcastle will have to manage). Looks at the list of teams West Ham played. 

We'll still be able to rotate players to ensure younger players get games in Europe and our first team are fresh enough for the league games. 

We couldn't ask for a manager with much more experience of managing a squad that has league and European games to contend with. 

He'll have a much stronger bench this season to allow him to make more impactful subs during the game. And he can make 5 of those, which benefits teams with bigger squads. 

Other teams may well know how he sets-up but our players will understand his system better too. Knowing what someone's going to do it and being able to stop it are very different things. 

With the different options he'll have this year, he'll be able to pick teams specific to how he wants to set-up against someone rather than pretty much picking the same team each week. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on July 26, 2023, 11:59:28 PM
			

			

				There aren’t many sides in the Conference that had a squad as good as ours before our investment in the players we added. We have a very good chance of we take it seriously. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 27, 2023, 12:01:08 AM
			

			

				I'm going to have a few quid on Man City, Liverpool and us to win those three trophies.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 27, 2023, 12:06:02 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 27, 2023, 12:01:08 AM
I'm going to have a few quid on Man City, Liverpool and us to win those three trophies.

Can you imagine how insufferable It will be if Liverpool win it in Dublin?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rory on July 27, 2023, 01:09:48 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on July 27, 2023, 12:06:02 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 27, 2023, 12:01:08 AM
I'm going to have a few quid on Man City, Liverpool and us to win those three trophies.

Can you imagine how insufferable It will be if Liverpool win it in Dublin?

For you folks. Over here, it doesn't matter where they win anything, it's a week or more of misery full stop.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Astnor on July 27, 2023, 09:40:20 AM
			

			

				Any info about Dendoncker? He s not in the squad in USA?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on July 27, 2023, 09:43:17 AM
			

			

				Didn’t he stay at home because his wife was expecting?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Scratchins on July 27, 2023, 10:11:08 AM
			

			

				I think they have just had the baby. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on July 27, 2023, 10:49:24 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rory on July 27, 2023, 01:09:48 AM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on July 27, 2023, 12:06:02 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 27, 2023, 12:01:08 AM
I'm going to have a few quid on Man City, Liverpool and us to win those three trophies.

Can you imagine how insufferable It will be if Liverpool win it in Dublin?

For you folks. Over here, it doesn't matter where they win anything, it's a week or more of misery full stop.

It does for me in Devon too. 

Most of my mates of a certain age are Liverpool "fans", despite never venturing further than North than Exeter in their lives.

They are insufferable wankers when it comes to football, especially when they win something or beat us.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Matt C on July 27, 2023, 01:17:55 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Astnor on July 27, 2023, 09:40:20 AM
Any info about Dendoncker? He s not in the squad in USA?

Paternity leave 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 27, 2023, 01:27:06 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Scratchins on July 27, 2023, 10:11:08 AM
I think they have just had the baby. 

Expectations for the season: Dendoncker - 0 goals.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 27, 2023, 01:52:30 PM
			

			

				Being linked with Marc Pubill again today. 

We've made enquires but no formal approach yet. They want about €6million and a sell on %. 

https://www.cope.es/emisoras/comunidad-valenciana/valencia-provincia/valencia/deportes-cope-valencia/noticias/aston-villa-medita-fichaje-pubill-20230726_2832220
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 27, 2023, 01:55:52 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Astnor on July 27, 2023, 09:40:20 AM
Any info about Dendoncker? He s not in the squad in USA?

Probably unrelated to why he's at home but was just reading this about his younger brother. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.caughtoffside.com/2023/07/27/former-premier-league-star-who-has-a-brother-at-aston-villa-forced-to-retire-at-22/amp/
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on July 27, 2023, 02:03:23 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 27, 2023, 01:52:30 PM
Being linked with Marc Pubill again today. 

We've made enquires but no formal approach yet. They want about €6million and a sell on %. 

https://www.cope.es/emisoras/comunidad-valenciana/valencia-provincia/valencia/deportes-cope-valencia/noticias/aston-villa-medita-fichaje-pubill-20230726_2832220

He keeps sprouting up, doesn't he.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on July 27, 2023, 02:44:12 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 27, 2023, 02:03:23 PM
Quote from: AV84 on July 27, 2023, 01:52:30 PM
Being linked with Marc Pubill again today. 

We've made enquires but no formal approach yet. They want about €6million and a sell on %. 

https://www.cope.es/emisoras/comunidad-valenciana/valencia-provincia/valencia/deportes-cope-valencia/noticias/aston-villa-medita-fichaje-pubill-20230726_2832220

He keeps sprouting up, doesn't he.

I think he can play right sided CB too.

And at 6'3", he would offer us some much needed height...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on July 27, 2023, 02:59:44 PM
			

			

				If we do get him the squad will need a trim
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: TelfordVilla on July 27, 2023, 03:05:19 PM
			

			

				Perhaps we could snatch him for a modest fee
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on July 27, 2023, 03:08:12 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on July 27, 2023, 02:59:44 PM
If we do get him the squad will need a trim

That's ok so long as it's not a brazilian.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on July 27, 2023, 03:08:30 PM
			

			

				If we sign him the loser blokes on Twitter tracking the plane should be able to tell us when he approaches the landing strip.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on July 27, 2023, 03:10:45 PM
			

			

				Look forward to seeing him curling the ball into the box. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on July 27, 2023, 03:12:00 PM
			

			

				He's definitely the kind of player that grows on people.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 27, 2023, 03:15:25 PM
			

			

				Looking forward to seeing him on the landing strip at BHX.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 27, 2023, 03:36:51 PM
			

			

				Apparently he likes to get into the box.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 27, 2023, 03:39:41 PM
			

			

				"Actually I can say what I want now, can't I? Big balls...fanny hair"
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Mister E on July 27, 2023, 04:05:21 PM
			

			

				As long as he doesn't start crabbing about selection decisions...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 27, 2023, 04:08:22 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Mister E on July 27, 2023, 04:05:21 PM
As long as he doesn't start crabbing about selection decisions...

I doubt Unai will take muff notice.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 27, 2023, 04:14:35 PM
			

			

				And at the end of the day we certainly need some competition for Matty Gash.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 27, 2023, 04:20:42 PM
			

			

				El Maestro will get the best out if this pubill. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: CT Villan on July 27, 2023, 04:24:06 PM
			

			

				He'd be great with Tyrone Minge.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on July 27, 2023, 04:31:09 PM
			

			

				Just heard he's definitely joining. He's put in an offer on a nice place in Acocks Green
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 27, 2023, 04:33:57 PM
			

			

				He'd been shaving up for a while for that.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AlexAlexCropley on July 27, 2023, 04:54:29 PM
			

			

				This window we've been as busy as a beaver 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Mister E on July 27, 2023, 05:31:42 PM
			

			

				I wonder whether he's related to Kevin de Gruyne?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on July 27, 2023, 05:36:25 PM
			

			

				He claimed nuts as his favourite snack
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Olneythelonely on July 27, 2023, 05:44:32 PM
			

			

				Big hairy balls! 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bad English on July 27, 2023, 05:46:29 PM
			

			

				He will need to work hard on the basics in order to progress. Wax on, wax off.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on July 27, 2023, 05:52:39 PM
			

			

				He's the only forriner playing outside of the UK that Pubehead would ever have tried to sign. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on July 27, 2023, 06:13:19 PM
			

			

				Ferran Torres: “I’m gonna stay at Barça, no doubts. I will stay, I’ve a contract — no plans to leave at all”. 

“I think I'm qualified to play for Barça. What is said about me doesn't matter to me”.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 27, 2023, 06:21:36 PM
			

			

				This is claiming we've now been offered Joao Felix, and that he's slowly come to accept that what he wants and what he can get are two very different things. I don't believe a word of it, but there's been a couple of big names linked to us in a similar way. It'll be interesting to see where they all end up at the end of the summer.

https://tbrfootball.com/extremely-worrying-journalist-cant-believe-who-aston-villa-have-been-offered-to-sign/
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on July 27, 2023, 06:59:37 PM
			

			

				He's a Rolls Royce of a player but are we gonna be fielding a team of twenty next season? There's too many Goodfellas to leave out. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 27, 2023, 07:02:42 PM
			

			

				If you were to believe all the things that have been said these past few weeks we'd be a last resort for him after he's basically begged other teams to come and take him. So I'd probably pass on him at this stage, regardless of how many players we have. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: mike on July 27, 2023, 07:02:59 PM
			

			

				I’m surprised there’s been no mention on here that ‘Birmingham Live’ has us close to signing Lo Celso? I don’t know much about him but can’t see another midfielder or a Spurs cast off is a good thing?? I’m entirely ignorant so may be entirely wrong.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 27, 2023, 07:06:27 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: mike on July 27, 2023, 07:02:59 PM
I’m surprised there’s been no mention on here that ‘Birmingham Live’ has us close to signing Lo Celso? I don’t know much about him but can’t see another midfielder or a Spurs cast off is a good thing?? I’m entirely ignorant so may be entirely wrong.

Just searched Twitter and it's all about his agent saying he wants to play for Barcelona.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 27, 2023, 07:08:00 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: mike on July 27, 2023, 07:02:59 PM
I’m surprised there’s been no mention on here that ‘Birmingham Live’ has us close to signing Lo Celso? I don’t know much about him but can’t see another midfielder or a Spurs cast off is a good thing?? I’m entirely ignorant so may be entirely wrong.

On the face of it I'd agree, but Emery managed him for 9 months at Villarreal so if he does want him then it's 'In Unai We Trust'. Could just be lazy journalism but the link has resurfaced a few times now.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on July 27, 2023, 07:14:13 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 27, 2023, 06:21:36 PM
This is claiming we've now been offered Joao Felix, and that he's slowly come to accept that what he wants and what he can get are two very different things. I don't believe a word of it, but there's been a couple of big names linked to us in a similar way. It'll be interesting to see where they all end up at the end of the summer.

https://tbrfootball.com/extremely-worrying-journalist-cant-believe-who-aston-villa-have-been-offered-to-sign/

Im not sure I want a player who has had to "come to accept" that all he can get is little old Aston Villa.

I think he is one of those players who has been built up by the media for a good spell of form, that he has never been able to replicate after a big money move based on that spell of form.

Its like paying £85m for Watkins based on those 15 games where he was on fire.

So fuck him & his horse. 

He's not good enough for Villa. 

Not the other way round...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 27, 2023, 07:14:49 PM
			

			

				Yeah my initial reaction is also that he can go fuck himself.







although he is a very good player
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on July 27, 2023, 07:17:25 PM
			

			

				I don't blame any player for looking for the best opportunity in his career. Why shouldn't he wait for a CL club if one wanted him and could afford him? There has not been one actual quote disparaging us. And we don't know if the links to us are even real. But much of this click bait media where a fraction is the truth. If he joins us it will be the best option he has available but it still might not be what he wanted. That's what we all do in our careers and maybe has happened to some of at some stage. But he's a super player and would make us better.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 27, 2023, 07:24:24 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 27, 2023, 07:17:25 PM
I don't blame any player for looking for the best opportunity in his career. Why shouldn't he wait for a CL club if one wanted him and could afford him? There has not been one actual quote disparaging us. And we don't know if the links to us are even real. But much of this click bait media where a fraction is the truth. If he joins us it will be the best option he has available but it still might not be what he wanted. That's what we all do in our careers and maybe has happened to some of at some stage. But he's a super player and would make us better.

You are of course correct about not knowing how much, if any of it, is true. And probably we'd all be buzzing if he actually ended up here. But it's nearly a week since Diaby was confirmed and there's been no new names since, so why not debate the merits of signing a player who may or may not have dismissed our interest in him, if we ever had any interest in him. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on July 27, 2023, 07:31:08 PM
			

			

				Oh debate away mate. That’s what this thread is for. I’m just pointing out that it might not be true that he has an offer from us on the table which he spits on while waiting on Barcelona to call him. And that he might not be prick for not signing for us*







*reserves the right to be fickle and call him a prick if he doesn’t sign for us
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on July 27, 2023, 07:37:44 PM
			

			

				Lets not forget that last week diaby was 'not the sort of player we need' because we were told he was considering a saudi offer, which will have coincided with him being on a flight to our training camp.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 27, 2023, 07:38:24 PM
			

			

				To be fair to Felix, it sounds like he's not in a great situation at Atletico, and it's been that way for a while. And he did the Chelsea loan while they were a complete shit show, so it wouldn't be that surprising if he was now trying to make a "good" move happen, in a personal sense. 

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 27, 2023, 07:38:43 PM
			

			

				There's talk of him joining Barca. That seems to be the target but much to sort out in between.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on July 27, 2023, 07:41:50 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on July 27, 2023, 07:38:43 PM
There's talk of him joining Barca. That seems to be the target but much to sort out in between.

Not helped by the fact that they are skint, need to move players like Fernan Torres who doesn’t want to move. I’m sure Barca and Felix is a match made in heaven. There is the small matter of a player under contract on very decent money who I’m sure, with his agent isn’t doing Barca any favours.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 27, 2023, 07:43:25 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on July 27, 2023, 07:38:43 PM
There's talk of him joining Barca. That seems to be the target but much to sort out in between.

Seems to be more a case of him really wanting to go there, and them thinking that if they had that sort of money to spend then they wouldn't be fussed about spending it on him. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: KevinGage on July 27, 2023, 07:48:47 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 27, 2023, 07:06:27 PM
Quote from: mike on July 27, 2023, 07:02:59 PM
I’m surprised there’s been no mention on here that ‘Birmingham Live’ has us close to signing Lo Celso? I don’t know much about him but can’t see another midfielder or a Spurs cast off is a good thing?? I’m entirely ignorant so may be entirely wrong.

Just searched Twitter and it's all about his agent saying he wants to play for Barcelona.

Makes sense. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 27, 2023, 07:58:06 PM
			

			

				Interesting article in The Athletic on how transfers work.

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How transfer bids actually work: Emails, brinkmanship and massive egos
How are transfer bids sent? How are they accepted? We take a look at what takes place between clubs when it comes to player dealings...

By Tim Spiers

Jul 27, 2023 04:10 AM9 min. readView original
You are a senior recruitment boss at a football club who has spent months working on a potential new signing.

This has involved hour upon hour of scouting the player both in person and on video, analysis of their data, reference checks, discussions about where they will fit into the squad and prolonged courtship either via his agent, the player or even their family.

That is not to mention talks and debates with your club’s head coach and/or chairman/owner who must also be aligned not only on whether they want to sign the player too, but if they are even affordable.

Oh, and the player must also want to join, their club must want to sell and there is the further complication of whether any other clubs are trying to buy them too.

If all of that has gone well — if the planets have aligned — your bid goes in and you can start negotiations with the other club. And those negotiations might take a few weeks too. Not as easy as on Football Manager, eh?

But how is a bid actually lodged? How do you offer tens of millions — maybe even hundreds of millions — of pounds to buy a human being’s football-based services? Does it have to be in writing? Is football the only industry still using fax machines? Do carrier pigeons have any role?

Well, the boring answer is that a lot of bids are made via email.

The vast majority of club-to-club correspondence takes place on other platforms and through different mediums, like WhatsApp, voice notes, phone calls or sometimes in person, but when it comes to that official bid, email is often how it’s done. That makes it official.

Fax machines were still common in the 2000s and even the 2010s. David de Gea’s prospective move from Manchester United to Real Madrid fell through in 2015 supposedly due to a dodgy fax machine which meant documents weren’t sent in time before the transfer window closed.

An email may drop into a junk folder, but that’s about as unreliable as it gets. The bid is usually sent by (and to) a member of a club’s legal team and/or a club secretary, with the relevant recruitment chief or sporting director copied in (this is sometimes prefaced with a call to say it’s coming) and it contains a fairly standard template message outlining that the bid of X pounds comes from the board of the buying club. It will include contingent and non-contingent fees, i.e. money up front, add-ons and perhaps a sell-on clause.

In fact whether you’re Accrington Stanley or Arsenal, the vast majority of bids follow more or less the same structure: a transfer fee (and a payment breakdown possibly spread over a few years), add-ons, a sell-on fee (typically ranging from 7.5 per cent to 15 per cent) and, in rarer cases, a buy-back option.

The higher up the ladder you go the more complicated things can get — dealing with European or global clubs you may have two or three agents involved (one on behalf of the player, one for the selling club and one for the buying club) but the same basic principles apply.

A deal’s structure can depend on the original asking price. If the buying club is giving the selling club almost everything they want, for example, the sell-on percentage will be lower and there will be fewer bonuses. For example, if the selling club want £20million ($25.6m) and the bid is £18m up front plus a couple of million in add-ons, perhaps in the event of the player making 50 appearances or if the club avoids relegation that season, a future sell-on may be set at 7.5 per cent.

When the bid comes it’s not sent blind. A palatable framework — or the basis for negotiations to begin — may have been discussed verbally or over WhatsApp beforehand. The selling club will often know it’s coming, because agents and recruitment teams have already been in discussions.

In fact, personal terms have almost always already been agreed with the player (“nine times out of 10” according to one Premier League recruitment chief).

A member of a Championship recruitment team, speaking anonymously, told The Athletic: “I can’t think of a transfer I’ve been involved in that was done without personal terms being agreed first.

“Bids always come officially from the club, but very often now if we or a club want a player, they will talk to an agent first and agree personal terms, otherwise it’s just a wasted bid and a waste of everyone’s time. If the player’s not interested then what’s the point?

“The agent will also set the expectations of the transfer bid to the buying club and, in return, we could give them a figure that we think is reasonable. That saves a bit of backwards and forwards between clubs before a first bid goes in and it quickens up the process a bit.”

It also reduces the risk of disrespecting a selling club with an offer that might be deemed derisory.

There are a lot of factors that go into deciding what the figure will be — the club’s budget, the player’s age, their previous transfer history, how long is left on their contract, the selling club’s financial status, the importance of the player to the selling club (i.e. a star striker or an expendable squad player) and of course market trends.

Recruitment teams and scouts are only looking for players within a certain budget anyway — Crystal Palace aren’t going to be scouting Kylian Mbappe — so it’s rare that clubs are going to be massively far apart on initial fee expectations when it comes to those crunch negotiations. Plus clubs will usually speak to agents first to gauge whether a deal is feasible. But it can happen.

When Arsenal bid £40,000,001 for Luis Suarez from Liverpool in 2013 (any bid over £40m would mean Liverpool had to inform Suarez of the bid, reportedly as per the terms of his contract) it prompted owner John Henry to question what narcotics the Gunners were taking.

That’s not to say the first bid won’t be below what the buying club is eventually prepared to pay, but this is page one of the negotiation manual stuff.

“We want to be respectful but we also know there will be a line in the sand drawn as to what we would be willing to go to,” a recruitment head at a Premier League club says.

“Different sporting directors have different tactics but I’ve found the best stance is to be respectful; you have got more chance of getting a deal done if you don’t low ball everyone. It doesn’t have to be a game of tit for tat. Some treat it that way, but that’s not my approach.

“Some will go through a whole process — the first offer always gets the same reply: ‘He’s not for sale, that doesn’t meet that valuation’.

“So when you are dealing with certain clubs you know that first bid may as well just be a throwaway number. The second bid is where you start to properly negotiate.”

Even if a player has a release clause, the buying club will still chance its arm with a bid lower than the set fee. And even then there can be negotiations about how the fee is structured, unless it has been stated in the clause that it is paid in one lump sum.

After the first (or second) bid has gone in, negotiations begin. In years gone by these may have been thrashed out face-to-face in a boardroom, or hotel or maybe even at a service station, but that’s increasingly rare now.

“A few years ago, when you’d only have a handful of people involved in a transfer deal, you might say to a chief executive or a director of football, ‘If you’re free this afternoon I’ll just drive and meet you if we want to thrash this deal out today’,” a senior recruitment staff member from a Premier League club tells The Athletic.

“There are generally two or three hands on the tiller now, so it’s difficult to get all the relevant people around a table — although it does still happen occasionally.

“The problem you’ll have now is weirdos who own football clubs, they all just want to ‘win’. It’s a Trumpian mindset for a lot of them; they just want to win every single fight, be that keeping their player, or getting a massive fee, or signing a marquee player just to show off. So that makes it hard to have sensible negotiations sometimes.

“And then you can end up spending so much time over the smallest of details because clubs are playing games too. They might be stalling because, even if they tell you that you’re the only club they’re speaking to, they may be speaking to others too and trying to drive the price up. And that’s where the media can come in.”

Ah yes, the pesky media. One senior recruitment figure at a top-flight club says he recently lodged a bid for a player and the details were out in the public domain via a story on a local newspaper’s website an hour later.

“One hour is quick. It’s not normally as quick as that, but everything comes out eventually,” he says.

“I expect in that case it came from the selling club to drive the value of the player up and get other clubs interested.

“Pretty much every transfer comes out in the media beforehand, ether via the selling club to drum up an auction, or the agent to drive the money up, maybe even the player because he wants to raise his profile. Or maybe someone in the building overhears something and they tell a mate, who tells their mate, then before you know it it’s on Twitter.

“Very rarely the buying club might do it, perhaps to show to their fans that they are bidding for a big player or something, but that’s just a sign of an insecure club without a plan.

“There are no secrets in football anymore so it’s pretty much impossible to keep information private. That can be frustrating if it jeopardises a deal as actually paying for a player is just the tip of the iceberg. The body of work that’s gone into identifying and trying to sign him is enormous. We’ve got people taking 30 to 50 phone calls a day over just a few deals.”

Bids are seldom accepted off the bat and negotiations can take a while. There are typically up to five or six points that aren’t agreed on and usually it will take a compromise on two or three of those points before an agreement can be reached.

The personalities involved make a big difference. The chairman of one Premier League club was described to The Athletic as “willing to push his own grandmother over to get a good deal”.

A recruitment boss at a Championship club adds: “There are a couple of people where I could say, ‘Look, we’ve got a problem with the deal here — we’re really far apart, can we just knock our heads together and sort it out?’ and that would be the worst possible thing you could say to them, because they see that as the balance of power massively shifting their way and you may as well just put your head in a lion’s mouth because they already think they’ve won.

“But most people are fairly reasonable. So you might agree the terms of engagement with them before you start negotiating: ‘Shall I just give you our maximum best offer right now?’.

“Most recognise that once the deal is done for the player there will be another time your paths will cross, which could be later in the same window. And people will remember how you behaved in those moments.

“There are smoke and mirrors too — that shouldn’t be forgotten. There was a situation recently where a lot of clubs wanted or needed to generate money by the end of June to help with the financial year, so your asking price might be lower than it is by July onwards, but you don’t want everyone knowing that.

“And, to be honest, there’s no point trying to price a player out of a move if he wants to go. You’re just going to piss him off. Players are too often treated like commodities rather than people.”

Owners will have the final say on whether to take the bid or not. Typically owners are kept apprised of negotiations, but it’s certainly not uncommon for them to kibosh deals at a late stage if the price has soared too high (for the buying club) or not high enough (for the selling club).

And when it finally comes to accepting the bid, what happens? 

Again, back to email templates. It’ll be something along the lines of: we accept the bid and give you permission to talk to the player.

Well, that’s probably already happened, but still, this is the game they all play.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ian. on July 27, 2023, 08:19:37 PM
			

			

				I’m not sure I want us to sign someone who had to accept he’s not got any other offers, or someone who sounds like your pet cat.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on July 27, 2023, 08:32:45 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 27, 2023, 07:17:25 PM
I don't blame any player for looking for the best opportunity in his career. Why shouldn't he wait for a CL club if one wanted him and could afford him? There has not been one actual quote disparaging us. And we don't know if the links to us are even real. But much of this click bait media where a fraction is the truth. If he joins us it will be the best option he has available but it still might not be what he wanted. That's what we all do in our careers and maybe has happened to some of at some stage. But he's a super player and would make us better.

Yes, that happened with me twice in my career & I knew it was a stop gap until I could move on. 

I was out of there as soon as a better opportunity came along...

Whereas the role I loved, I was offered more money to move but didn't have to think twice about it & stayed where I was.

I know its not exactly the same with footballers, but I still feel he will be using us as a stop gap & that can be disruptive to the group...

If its true of course... 👍
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Mister E on July 27, 2023, 08:57:56 PM
			

			

				Jao Felix is not the answer to any question we have.
He's not for us.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 27, 2023, 09:17:01 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pablo_picasso on July 27, 2023, 08:32:45 PM
Yes, that happened with me twice in my career & I knew it was a stop gap until I could move on. 

I was out of there as soon as a better opportunity came along...

Whereas the roll I loved, I was offered more dough to move but didn't have to think twice about it & stayed where I was.

Not everyone gets the chance to open up their own Cookie emporium.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Louzie0 on July 27, 2023, 09:17:59 PM
			

			

				But at least p_p brings enough for everybody.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 27, 2023, 09:18:42 PM
			

			

				Agreed. If he comes it’ll be Stephen Ireland Mark 2. Albeit he’s more talented but we look to have a good team spirit currently.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 27, 2023, 09:22:27 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 27, 2023, 09:18:42 PM
Agreed. If he comes it’ll be Stephen Ireland Mark 2. Albeit he’s more talented but we look to have a good team spirit currently.

I don't think it's impossible for someone to end up at a club they had no intentions of joining but still have a good attitude and knuckle down. It's all very hypothetical, obviously, but if it were to happen I'd trust that Emery, Monchi, and whoever else would make sure he was going to add something. I don't think we'd take him on name/reputation alone. 

Does anyone know what caused the issues at Atletico? Is he actually a bit of a dick, or is it all the other guys fault? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: charlatan on July 27, 2023, 10:00:44 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 27, 2023, 07:17:25 PM
If he joins us it will be the best option he has available but it still might not be what he wanted. That's what we all do in our careers
But we don't have agents and usually have to apply for jobs (the last time someone actively tried to hire me I was a teenager, he wanted me to creosote his fence, I said having given it due consideration that seems too much like hard work (and probably thought too much responsibility too) for whatever the offer was). 

Generally there's a considerable faff involved in discovering whether an option is available (reaching the point where your application is successful and you can take the job or decline it which rarely happens at multiple places at the same time unless you're really keen and have invested a lot of time in investigating potential options) or whether it is just notional (you could submit yourself to a mindnumbing application procedure with an outside chance of landing the job offer). Alas this includes internal promotions at my work. Tell me about a time when you did something we haven't given you the opportunity to do in the last seven years....
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: johnny from donny on July 27, 2023, 10:14:37 PM
			

			

				To be fair, none of these players grew up dreaming of playing for The Villa.  They're going to want to consider all their options. Imagine that you're at a club and you have an offer from Tottenham, your club are negotiating with them and will probably be accepting the next bid they put in. You, however, have been made aware that Villa are also interested but have to move on a couple of players to make sure room in the squad and on the wage bill.  Is it disrespectful for you to send word that you'd like to wait a while for Villa to get their ducks in a row? Does this mean that you're going to put in less effort if you do end up at Tottenham? Of course not! Maybe we should be a bit more chilled when players don't come running as soon as we snap our fingers. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on July 27, 2023, 10:18:09 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: johnny from donny on July 27, 2023, 10:14:37 PM
To be fair, none of these players grew up dreaming of playing for The Villa.  They're going to want to consider all their options. Imagine that you're at a club and you have an offer from Tottenham, your club are negotiating with them and will probably be accepting the next bid they put in. You, however, have been made aware that Villa are also interested but have to move on a couple of players to make sure room in the squad and on the wage bill.  Is it disrespectful for you to send word that you'd like to wait a while for Villa to get their ducks in a row? Does this mean that you're going to put in less effort if you do end up at Tottenham? Of course not! Maybe we should be a bit more chilled when players don't come running as soon as we snap our fingers.
Yeah - this is a fair point.  And as we have seen even those players that dream of playing for us can still see it as a stepping stone
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on July 27, 2023, 11:05:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Mister E on July 27, 2023, 08:57:56 PM
Jao Felix is not the answer to any question we have.
He's not for us.

I don’t think we will sign Felix but it’s Totally opposite for me

I rate all/most players on their technical abilities and Felix is a very good player 
If he joined us it would be a gamechanger it would catapult us into top 4 contenders in my view 





			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on July 27, 2023, 11:10:55 PM
			

			

				The sad thing is, the one that did dream of it, playing in the way he played for us, would be bloody brilliant in this squad. Not the run 5 yards and pass it backwards clone that Pep has manufactured from a true one off talent, the one that could get 45k people off their feet by looking at the ball. The way we play now through transition, we lack a playmaker in the final third that can hold the ball, buy us time and pick the right pass. Oddly, McGinn in a very different way is the best we have at it for his strength and tenacity. The pet cat might have that ability. It's the type of player we lack in the final third now. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on July 27, 2023, 11:24:26 PM
			

			

				The pet cat! Felix would have us purring for sure. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 27, 2023, 11:32:34 PM
			

			

				I'm wondering could we 'buy' him for a season and have a 'tidy' agreement with Barca to sell him in 12 months time when they have the money? #networking
The boy is desperate to leave Madrid. I'd hate to see him going to Benfica on loan for a season.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on July 27, 2023, 11:44:02 PM
			

			

				He's really not an emery player at all, move along
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Matt C on July 28, 2023, 01:39:43 AM
			

			

				Suspect it will run until late in the window but still think one of the Barcelona wantaways (as in the club want to move them on) will end up here. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RamboandBruno on July 28, 2023, 06:35:13 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: john e on July 27, 2023, 11:05:17 PM
Quote from: Mister E on July 27, 2023, 08:57:56 PM
Jao Felix is not the answer to any question we have.
He's not for us.

I don’t think we will sign Felix but it’s Totally opposite for me

I rate all/most players on their technical abilities and Felix is a very good player 
If he joined us it would be a gamechanger it would catapult us into top 4 contenders in my view

I agree with this. Theres a lot being a bit precious about who really wants to play for our club. Shock, horror, I’m sure Diaby had hardly heard of Villa and it was the pull of the premier league and working with Emery that got him here and I’m sure there’s part of him who thinks a couple of good seasons and he might bag another move. 

Felix or Beundia in that 10 role is a no brainer for me. I like Emi but Felix is a fantastic player and as John said next level. Get him on loan for a year and see what happens next. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Meanwood Villa on July 28, 2023, 06:40:34 AM
			

			

				Judging players on technical ability alone means that Barkley and Coutinho should both have been brilliant for us. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Mister E on July 28, 2023, 07:00:58 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: RamboandBruno on July 28, 2023, 06:35:13 AM
Quote from: john e on July 27, 2023, 11:05:17 PM
Quote from: Mister E on July 27, 2023, 08:57:56 PM
Jao Felix is not the answer to any question we have.
He's not for us.
I don’t think we will sign Felix but it’s Totally opposite for me
I rate all/most players on their technical abilities and Felix is a very good player 
If he joined us it would be a gamechanger it would catapult us into top 4 contenders in my view
I agree with this. Theres a lot being a bit precious about who really wants to play for our club. Shock, horror, I’m sure Diaby had hardly heard of Villa and it was the pull of the premier league and working with Emery that got him here and I’m sure there’s part of him who thinks a couple of good seasons and he might bag another move. 
Felix or Beundia in that 10 role is a no brainer for me. I like Emi but Felix is a fantastic player and as John said next level. Get him on loan for a year and see what happens next. 
My comment on Felix was based purely on his effectiveness: I'm do not recall him consistently making significant differences to the outcome of a game, for all his skill. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Olneythelonely on July 28, 2023, 08:52:20 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: RamboandBruno on July 28, 2023, 06:35:13 AM
Quote from: john e on July 27, 2023, 11:05:17 PM
Quote from: Mister E on July 27, 2023, 08:57:56 PM
Jao Felix is not the answer to any question we have.
He's not for us.

I don’t think we will sign Felix but it’s Totally opposite for me

I rate all/most players on their technical abilities and Felix is a very good player 
If he joined us it would be a gamechanger it would catapult us into top 4 contenders in my view

I agree with this. Theres a lot being a bit precious about who really wants to play for our club. Shock, horror, I’m sure Diaby had hardly heard of Villa and it was the pull of the premier league and working with Emery that got him here and I’m sure there’s part of him who thinks a couple of good seasons and he might bag another move. 

Felix or Beundia in that 10 role is a no brainer for me. I like Emi but Felix is a fantastic player and as John said next level. Get him on loan for a year and see what happens next.

The idea that he wouldn’t know who Villa were is ridiculous. 

I tend to agree with the sentiment in general though. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 28, 2023, 09:03:57 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: coreyfeldman on July 27, 2023, 11:44:02 PM
He's really not an emery player at all, move along

That’s not what Emery said in January. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 28, 2023, 09:17:01 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Mister E on July 28, 2023, 07:00:58 AM
Quote from: RamboandBruno on July 28, 2023, 06:35:13 AM
Quote from: john e on July 27, 2023, 11:05:17 PM
Quote from: Mister E on July 27, 2023, 08:57:56 PM
Jao Felix is not the answer to any question we have.
He's not for us.
I don’t think we will sign Felix but it’s Totally opposite for me
I rate all/most players on their technical abilities and Felix is a very good player 
If he joined us it would be a gamechanger it would catapult us into top 4 contenders in my view
I agree with this. Theres a lot being a bit precious about who really wants to play for our club. Shock, horror, I’m sure Diaby had hardly heard of Villa and it was the pull of the premier league and working with Emery that got him here and I’m sure there’s part of him who thinks a couple of good seasons and he might bag another move. 
Felix or Beundia in that 10 role is a no brainer for me. I like Emi but Felix is a fantastic player and as John said next level. Get him on loan for a year and see what happens next. 
My comment on Felix was based purely on his effectiveness

And overall effectiveness is what I rate players on, with one eye on non football related things like attitude and general personality.
Don’t get me wrong, I love to see players with technical ability, always loved South American football especially Brazil but when I look at ideas for building the team I support I think the overall picture is critical. On technical ability alone Joao Felix would improve us a lot, no doubt but I just don’t see it working out.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 28, 2023, 09:31:09 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 28, 2023, 09:03:57 AM
Quote from: coreyfeldman on July 27, 2023, 11:44:02 PM
He's really not an emery player at all, move along

That’s not what Emery said in January. 

I'd also love to know what characteristics mean that someone is or isn't an "Emery player".
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulTheVillan on July 28, 2023, 09:45:20 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on July 28, 2023, 09:31:09 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 28, 2023, 09:03:57 AM
Quote from: coreyfeldman on July 27, 2023, 11:44:02 PM
He's really not an emery player at all, move along

That’s not what Emery said in January. 

I'd also love to know what characteristics mean that someone is or isn't an "Emery player".

Me too.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on July 28, 2023, 09:53:47 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulTheVillan on July 28, 2023, 09:45:20 AM
Quote from: Dave on July 28, 2023, 09:31:09 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 28, 2023, 09:03:57 AM
Quote from: coreyfeldman on July 27, 2023, 11:44:02 PM
He's really not an emery player at all, move along

That’s not what Emery said in January. 

I'd also love to know what characteristics mean that someone is or isn't an "Emery player".

Me too.

I think it’s a blanket term that is thrown about a lot.

Types of things I assume are Emery characteristics are;
- Attackers who don’t press hard are not Emery players
- Attackers who don’t work back are not Emery players
- Defenders who look to retain and pass the ball are Emery players
- Goalkeepers who pass the ball are Emery players (obv we have a massive outlier here on the bench)

Etc etc

Not sure it’s that black and white though…
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on July 28, 2023, 09:54:14 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on July 28, 2023, 09:31:09 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 28, 2023, 09:03:57 AM
Quote from: coreyfeldman on July 27, 2023, 11:44:02 PM
He's really not an emery player at all, move along

That’s not what Emery said in January. 

I'd also love to know what characteristics mean that someone is or isn't an "Emery player".
My wild stab is a player who fits well into the style of play he wants to implement and with an attitude and work ethic Emery he is happy with.

Other than possibly attitude, I'm not sure where Felix falls down.  That's not to say I think we should be blowing our budget on him mind. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Chris Smith on July 28, 2023, 10:12:32 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on July 28, 2023, 09:31:09 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 28, 2023, 09:03:57 AM
Quote from: coreyfeldman on July 27, 2023, 11:44:02 PM
He's really not an emery player at all, move along

That’s not what Emery said in January. 

I'd also love to know what characteristics mean that someone is or isn't an "Emery player".

They don’t have really coarse skin that you can file your nails on.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on July 28, 2023, 10:18:18 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Chris Smith on July 28, 2023, 10:12:32 AM
Quote from: Dave on July 28, 2023, 09:31:09 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 28, 2023, 09:03:57 AM
Quote from: coreyfeldman on July 27, 2023, 11:44:02 PM
He's really not an emery player at all, move along

That’s not what Emery said in January. 

I'd also love to know what characteristics mean that someone is or isn't an "Emery player".

They don’t have really coarse skin that you can file your nails on.
I am getting board with this argument.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on July 28, 2023, 10:21:36 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ChicagoLion on July 28, 2023, 10:18:18 AM
Quote from: Chris Smith on July 28, 2023, 10:12:32 AM
Quote from: Dave on July 28, 2023, 09:31:09 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 28, 2023, 09:03:57 AM
Quote from: coreyfeldman on July 27, 2023, 11:44:02 PM
He's really not an emery player at all, move along

That’s not what Emery said in January. 

I'd also love to know what characteristics mean that someone is or isn't an "Emery player".

They don’t have really coarse skin that you can file your nails on.
I am getting board with this argument.
Filed appropriately :-)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 28, 2023, 10:32:14 AM
			

			

				Emery came in and took a team where at least half the individuals in it had been written off after long periods of very poor form. Watkins, Mings, McGinn, Cash etc. I therefore think the only attribute that would rule a player out from Emery's system would be effort, or lack of it.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on July 28, 2023, 10:42:34 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Mister E on July 28, 2023, 07:00:58 AM
Quote from: RamboandBruno on July 28, 2023, 06:35:13 AM
Quote from: john e on July 27, 2023, 11:05:17 PM
Quote from: Mister E on July 27, 2023, 08:57:56 PM
Jao Felix is not the answer to any question we have.
He's not for us.
I don’t think we will sign Felix but it’s Totally opposite for me
I rate all/most players on their technical abilities and Felix is a very good player 
If he joined us it would be a gamechanger it would catapult us into top 4 contenders in my view
I agree with this. Theres a lot being a bit precious about who really wants to play for our club. Shock, horror, I’m sure Diaby had hardly heard of Villa and it was the pull of the premier league and working with Emery that got him here and I’m sure there’s part of him who thinks a couple of good seasons and he might bag another move. 
Felix or Beundia in that 10 role is a no brainer for me. I like Emi but Felix is a fantastic player and as John said next level. Get him on loan for a year and see what happens next. 
My comment on Felix was based purely on his effectiveness: I'm do not recall him consistently making significant differences to the outcome of a game, for all his skill. 

That’s fair enough mate
It’s all about opinions, you look at him and don’t think he would be effective for us. I look at him and think he would take us to the next level. That’s the great thing about football everyone sees it differently.


I think he would make a huge difference, as I believe he is a class act 
Like others have said Emery would also get the best out of him, the attitude thing is a valid point as well we won’t know about that really because we don’t know the lad

I don’t think we’ve got much chance of signing him so we will never find out and all my points are moot 




			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on July 28, 2023, 10:47:37 AM
			

			

				My comment was about perceived effort and constant media storm around him, doesn't seem to be Emery's style to have potential players who could upset the group.

I could be totally wrong of course 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 28, 2023, 10:48:00 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on July 28, 2023, 10:32:14 AM
Emery came in and took a team where at least half the individuals in it had been written off after long periods of very poor form. Watkins, Mings, McGinn, Cash etc. I therefore think the only attribute that would rule a player out from Emery's system would be effort, or lack of it.

Indeed. Or an unwillingness to adapt. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on July 28, 2023, 10:48:11 AM
			

			

				If there was an opportunity to take Felix for the season and lose Coutinho to say Saudi I would very much be on board
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on July 28, 2023, 11:02:10 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Meanwood Villa on July 28, 2023, 06:40:34 AM
Judging players on technical ability alone means that Barkley and Coutinho should both have been brilliant for us. 

I’m the 1st to admit the technical ability thing for me, is a major weakness in my assessment of players

As others have said, overall effectiveness is maybe where we should be looking, but for me if a player is not comfortable on the ball and struggles to control and keep position I tend to think they have a low ceiling for improvement

So players Hause. Konsa, Watkins, who aren’t particularly gifted with technical ability frustrate me more than Coutinho, Dougie Buendia Pau Torres

I know this analysis is fraught with polarising players far too much but it’s just the way I am I just can’t help it


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on July 28, 2023, 11:46:45 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Gareth on July 28, 2023, 10:48:11 AM
If there was an opportunity to take Felix for the season and lose Coutinho to say Saudi I would very much be on board

I think that would make a massive difference. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 28, 2023, 02:30:01 PM
			

			

				At the risk of setting off another chain of awful puns, reports in Spain linking us with Pubill again today. Other teams in Spain are interested but Levante apparently in a situation where they need to bring in some cash, and they know we'd win a bidding war. They've rejected an offer of €5mil from someone already, and are holding out for at least €6mil, but want a significant sell on clause included. 


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on July 28, 2023, 02:31:56 PM
			

			

				Awful puns? That's a little below the belt.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on July 28, 2023, 02:49:53 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 28, 2023, 02:30:01 PM
At the risk of setting off another chain of awful puns, reports in Spain linking us with Pubill again today. Other teams in Spain are interested but Levante apparently in a situation where they need to bring in some cash, and they know we'd win a bidding war. They've rejected an offer of €5mil from someone already, and are holding out for at least €6mil, but want a significant sell on clause included.

You can't veet a good rumour.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 28, 2023, 03:25:37 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 28, 2023, 02:30:01 PM
At the risk of setting off another chain of awful puns, reports in Spain linking us with Pubill again today. Other teams in Spain are interested but Levante apparently in a situation where they need to bring in some cash, and they know we'd win a bidding war. They've rejected an offer of €5mil from someone already, and are holding out for at least €6mil, but want a significant sell on clause included.

Hopefully we’ll bide our time and not get in a flaps about it.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on July 28, 2023, 04:23:51 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 28, 2023, 03:25:37 PM
Quote from: AV84 on July 28, 2023, 02:30:01 PM
At the risk of setting off another chain of awful puns, reports in Spain linking us with Pubill again today. Other teams in Spain are interested but Levante apparently in a situation where they need to bring in some cash, and they know we'd win a bidding war. They've rejected an offer of €5mil from someone already, and are holding out for at least €6mil, but want a significant sell on clause included.

Hopefully we’ll bide our time and not get in a flaps about it.
I hate the puns but this made me laugh.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bad English on July 28, 2023, 04:43:31 PM
			

			

				Are you talking about country matters?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Londonvilla on July 28, 2023, 07:33:13 PM
			

			

				Breaking: Aston Villa confirm striker transfer with surprise destination

The latest Aston Villa transfer news as the striker has joined Championship side Stoke City in a permanent move away from Villa Park

Wesley has now put pen-to-paper on a one-year deal with Stoke

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/breaking-aston-villa-confirm-striker-27418293


Don't think they paid much for him (if anything), but its good to get him off the books
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 28, 2023, 07:34:14 PM
			

			

				I love the way morons on social media use the word BREAKING in a desperate attempt to assign drama to their invariably dull stories.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on July 28, 2023, 08:14:01 PM
			

			

				Good luck Wesley.  I hope you do well there.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Londonvilla on July 28, 2023, 09:33:56 PM
			

			

				🚨 BREAKING: Franck Kessie opens the door for an exit from Barcelona for the first time. He is willing to leave.

The relationship between Kessi and Xavi is now at its lowest point.

Barça want €20m-€25m and could also accept a loan with buy obligation. Kessie's preference is a move to England and he won't lack offers.
#FCB 🇨🇮

Via (🟢): 
@MatteMoretto
 [relevo]



Good player, but do we need him?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Londonvilla on July 28, 2023, 09:35:32 PM
			

			

				 BREAKING: Everything indicates that FC Barcelona will force Ferran Torres to LEAVE the club. 
@fansjavimiguel
 
Do we need someone who does not want to be here?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on July 28, 2023, 09:37:33 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Londonvilla on July 28, 2023, 09:35:32 PM
 BREAKING: Everything indicates that FC Barcelona will force Ferran Torres to LEAVE the club. 
@fansjavimiguel
 
Do we need someone who does not want to be here?

Yes. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 28, 2023, 09:39:01 PM
			

			

				It's very quiet on even remotely possible links at the moment.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 28, 2023, 09:44:02 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on July 28, 2023, 09:39:01 PM
It's very quiet on even remotely possible links at the moment.

Not just for Villa, the whole transfer market seems very quiet.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on July 28, 2023, 09:52:23 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on July 28, 2023, 09:44:02 PM
Quote from: Risso on July 28, 2023, 09:39:01 PM
It's very quiet on even remotely possible links at the moment.

Not just for Villa, the whole transfer market seems very quiet.

A lot of clubs are away in different countries at the moment playing a number of games in a short timeframe, so I think it’s probably been difficult to get things done.  Probably start to see some movement next week.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 28, 2023, 10:07:24 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Londonvilla on July 28, 2023, 09:35:32 PM
 BREAKING: Everything indicates that FC Barcelona will force Ferran Torres to LEAVE the club. 
@fansjavimiguel
 
Do we need someone who does not want to be here?

How can they force him to leave? Pay the rest of his contract in full, seems unlikely. 

Or maybe they'll make him an offer he can't refuse.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Small Rodent on July 28, 2023, 10:07:28 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: tomd2103 on July 28, 2023, 09:52:23 PM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on July 28, 2023, 09:44:02 PM
Quote from: Risso on July 28, 2023, 09:39:01 PM
It's very quiet on even remotely possible links at the moment.

Not just for Villa, the whole transfer market seems very quiet.

A lot of clubs are away in different countries at the moment playing a number of games in a short timeframe, so I think it’s probably been difficult to get things done.  Probably start to see some movement next week.

The office staff too?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on July 28, 2023, 10:13:34 PM
			

			

				It often feels to me like we have a must-have list, with a number of targets in order of preference, and then a nice-to-have list.

The must-haves, where they feel they have to sign someone on the list, are all done and dusted. What’s left is the nice-to-have list, where they would like to sign someone, but if the right player at the right price isn’t possible, then they will wait.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on July 28, 2023, 10:22:35 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on July 28, 2023, 10:13:34 PM
It often feels to me like we have a must-have list, with a number of targets in order of preference, and then a nice-to-have list.

The must-haves, where they feel they have to sign someone on the list, are all done and dusted. What’s left is the nice-to-have list, where they would like to sign someone, but if the right player at the right price isn’t possible, then they will wait.

Which doesn't always work. Nico Willams...

But then the backup wasn't bad in Moussa Diaby, so fair play... 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on July 28, 2023, 10:24:44 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Londonvilla on July 28, 2023, 09:35:32 PM
 BREAKING: Everything indicates that FC Barcelona will force Ferran Torres to LEAVE the club. 
@fansjavimiguel
 
Do we need someone who does not want to be here?

Classic Barca - sign someone, then look for the new shiny toy. Probably asked him to take a pay cut too.

They really are appallingly run.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 28, 2023, 10:57:51 PM
			

			

				I would guess just not playing someone would force them to leave the club. I'm sure he could be stubborn about it and take their wages to do nothing all year, but presumably most footballers want to actually play football.

I'm not sure was it Torres or Felix that some slightly more reputable people were saying we were still interested in but would probably wait and see how the window shakes out, and if it was to happen it would be at the end of it. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on July 28, 2023, 11:11:18 PM
			

			

				Brentford bid again for Johnson, I hope we’re still interested. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Londonvilla on July 28, 2023, 11:19:57 PM
			

			

				Juventus Still Ready To Sell Aston Villa And Liverpool Target For Big Enough Offer

The Serie A giants will be happy to sell him if a club tabled a bid somewhere around €70m in the ongoing transfer window.

https://insidefutbol.com/2023/07/28/juventus-still-ready-to-sell-aston-villa-and-liverpool-target-for-big-enough-offer/612929/


£60m is too much I would take him for £45m
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on July 28, 2023, 11:22:24 PM
			

			

				I’ve only just realised we once had a squad with both an Archer and a Targett in it…
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: trinityoap on July 29, 2023, 12:19:44 AM
			

			

				Brown,Arce,Hole?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 29, 2023, 01:02:55 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: trinityoap on July 29, 2023, 12:19:44 AM
Brown,Arce,Hole?

Always start with Aitken.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Border villan on July 29, 2023, 05:52:19 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 29, 2023, 01:02:55 AM
Quote from: trinityoap on July 29, 2023, 12:19:44 AM
Brown,Arce,Hole?

Always start with Aitken.

Wright then Aitken.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bad English on July 29, 2023, 06:21:29 AM
			

			

				I once got suspended from the 'Old Photos of Brum' Facebook group for suggesting that lineup in a comment.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dave shelley on July 29, 2023, 08:31:49 AM
			

			

				Godfrey's Aitken Arce Hole is how I remember it.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeonW on July 29, 2023, 08:42:55 AM
			

			

				Regarding Inter’s bid for the world’s number one goal keeper...assuming it’s true, I would have liked the club to respond to Inter with £2m and Olsen for Laturo Martinez. Just to make a point.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 29, 2023, 09:29:25 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Small Rodent on July 28, 2023, 10:07:28 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on July 28, 2023, 09:52:23 PM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on July 28, 2023, 09:44:02 PM
Quote from: Risso on July 28, 2023, 09:39:01 PM
It's very quiet on even remotely possible links at the moment.

Not just for Villa, the whole transfer market seems very quiet.

A lot of clubs are away in different countries at the moment playing a number of games in a short timeframe, so I think it’s probably been difficult to get things done.  Probably start to see some movement next week.

The office staff too?

My guess is that a lot of teams will start their PS training and some matches and evaluate where some players are and assess / confirm what they think needs to be done in the last few weeks of the window both in terms of buying and selling. Obviously they’ll try to get deals already discussed prior to the window or ‘no brainier’ type deals done early. Like Tielemans on a free, Torres who Unai knew previously and Diaby as we knew we certainly needed at least one new forward. That’s my theory anyway, could be bollocks.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on July 29, 2023, 10:25:12 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Small Rodent on July 28, 2023, 10:07:28 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on July 28, 2023, 09:52:23 PM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on July 28, 2023, 09:44:02 PM
Quote from: Risso on July 28, 2023, 09:39:01 PM
It's very quiet on even remotely possible links at the moment.

Not just for Villa, the whole transfer market seems very quiet.

A lot of clubs are away in different countries at the moment playing a number of games in a short timeframe, so I think it’s probably been difficult to get things done.  Probably start to see some movement next week.

The office staff too?

No,  but think it is probably difficult to get things over the line when all of the management are in another country and preparing for three games in a short time frame.

I think the remaining players we'll be looking to bring in at this point will be back-up players so there isn't really that immediate need.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 29, 2023, 10:47:20 AM
			

			

				Seeing a few different places saying we're interested in Jean-Clair Todibo. He's a CB though. Not a position I'd have thought we'd be bringing more in to this window. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on July 29, 2023, 11:04:58 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 29, 2023, 10:47:20 AM
Seeing a few different places saying we're interested in Jean-Clair Todibo. He's a CB though. Not a position I'd have thought we'd be bringing more in to this window. 

I think we are trying to have 2 players for each position apart from Center backs where we need at least half a dozen per position
Just to be on the safe side 

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 29, 2023, 12:35:33 PM
			

			

				I don't really understand the need for Monchi to be in the US with the squad. I'm sure he'd be better served being in the UK, hanging up on Daniel Levy.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 29, 2023, 12:44:59 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 29, 2023, 09:29:25 AM
Quote from: Small Rodent on July 28, 2023, 10:07:28 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on July 28, 2023, 09:52:23 PM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on July 28, 2023, 09:44:02 PM
Quote from: Risso on July 28, 2023, 09:39:01 PM
It's very quiet on even remotely possible links at the moment.

Not just for Villa, the whole transfer market seems very quiet.

A lot of clubs are away in different countries at the moment playing a number of games in a short timeframe, so I think it’s probably been difficult to get things done.  Probably start to see some movement next week.

The office staff too?

My guess is that a lot of teams will start their PS training and some matches and evaluate where some players are and assess / confirm what they think needs to be done in the last few weeks of the window both in terms of buying and selling. Obviously they’ll try to get deals already discussed prior to the window or ‘no brainier’ type deals done early. Like Tielemans on a free, Torres who Unai knew previously and Diaby as we knew we certainly needed at least one new forward. That’s my theory anyway, could be bollocks.

That seems logical to me. 

I reckon there’s a lack of liquidity in the market. An usually high number of premier league clubs have no cash including the typical big spenders. Man U need to sell to buy. Chelsea went mental in January.  Spurs have to pay off the stadium.  Arsenal have given their money to west ham but they’re yet to pass it on.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 29, 2023, 12:46:07 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 29, 2023, 12:35:33 PM
I don't really understand the need for Monchi to be in the US with the squad. I'm sure he'd be better served being in the UK, hanging up on Daniel Levy.

Yeah, I wondered similar.

Although we finished signing Diaby whilst they were in the US. I think. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on July 29, 2023, 12:52:26 PM
			

			

				Let Monchi top-up his tan. He's got 9 months of hard labour in Birmingham to brace himself for.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on July 29, 2023, 12:55:08 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 29, 2023, 12:46:07 PM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 29, 2023, 12:35:33 PM
I don't really understand the need for Monchi to be in the US with the squad. I'm sure he'd be better served being in the UK, hanging up on Daniel Levy.

Yeah, I wondered similar.

Although we finished signing Diaby whilst they were in the US. I think.

I’d presume he has a phone & if anything got close he’d be back in a few hours 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 29, 2023, 12:56:22 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Gareth on July 29, 2023, 12:55:08 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 29, 2023, 12:46:07 PM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 29, 2023, 12:35:33 PM
I don't really understand the need for Monchi to be in the US with the squad. I'm sure he'd be better served being in the UK, hanging up on Daniel Levy.

Yeah, I wondered similar.

Although we finished signing Diaby whilst they were in the US. I think.

I’d presume he has a phone & if anything got close he’d be back in a few hours 

I bet he's got more phones than a Chinese click factory.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on July 29, 2023, 12:57:16 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 29, 2023, 12:56:22 PM
Quote from: Gareth on July 29, 2023, 12:55:08 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 29, 2023, 12:46:07 PM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 29, 2023, 12:35:33 PM
I don't really understand the need for Monchi to be in the US with the squad. I'm sure he'd be better served being in the UK, hanging up on Daniel Levy.

Yeah, I wondered similar.

Although we finished signing Diaby whilst they were in the US. I think.

I’d presume he has a phone & if anything got close he’d be back in a few hours 

I bet he's got more phones than a Chinese click factory.

Lol
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 29, 2023, 12:59:36 PM
			

			

				I reckon any negotiations can be done exactly the same wherever he is. Let's say we're in for a player from Germany, it makes no difference if Monchi is in B6 or the USA. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 29, 2023, 01:02:01 PM
			

			

				Yes, it's far from impossible, but it helps to be in similar timezones in my experience of conducting multimillion-pound transfers.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on July 29, 2023, 01:49:26 PM
			

			

				My gut feeling is that we want to shift a few first. Probably the same for a few other clubs too. Although it made me laugh when I read Arteta saying that their squad's too big now...well, you've just bought a load of players. It's always been easier to buy players than it is to sell them. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Londonvilla on July 29, 2023, 01:51:34 PM
			

			

				Aston Villa giving consideration to Adama Traore reunion?

https://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/aston-villa/transfer-talk/news/villa-giving-consideration-to-adama-traore-reunion_519804.html?newsnow


I had high hopes for him the first time around; his level is the championship at best.

Could Unai Emery work a miracle and transform him into a world-class player? .....No
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Olneythelonely on July 29, 2023, 01:54:00 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: trinityoap on July 29, 2023, 12:19:44 AM
Brown,Arce,Hole?

Spink, Cox, Small
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on July 29, 2023, 02:01:15 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Londonvilla on July 29, 2023, 01:51:34 PM
Aston Villa giving consideration to Adama Traore reunion?

https://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/aston-villa/transfer-talk/news/villa-giving-consideration-to-adama-traore-reunion_519804.html?newsnow


I had high hopes for him the first time around; his level is the championship at best.

Could Unai Emery work a miracle and transform him into a world-class player? .....No

Two words to tell you that the story is fabricated nonsense...

Football. Insider.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: TonyD on July 29, 2023, 02:01:45 PM
			

			

				Rimmer.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: IFWaters on July 29, 2023, 02:05:49 PM
			

			

				Andy Comyn
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dave.woodhall on July 29, 2023, 02:31:21 PM
			

			

				Traore is the next Paul McStay. He'll be a promising youngster until he retires.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: TheMalandro on July 29, 2023, 03:55:49 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: TonyD on July 29, 2023, 02:01:45 PM
Rimmer.  

Postma
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 29, 2023, 03:59:28 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 29, 2023, 12:59:36 PM
I reckon any negotiations can be done exactly the same wherever he is. Let's say we're in for a player from Germany, it makes no difference if Monchi is in B6 or the USA. 

Yep, true. 

Quote from: Londonvilla on July 29, 2023, 01:51:34 PM
Aston Villa giving consideration to Adama Traore reunion?

https://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/aston-villa/transfer-talk/news/villa-giving-consideration-to-adama-traore-reunion_519804.html?newsnow


I hope there’s no mobile phone coverage in Washington. Or internet. Or faxes. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: TheMalandro on July 29, 2023, 04:04:25 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 29, 2023, 03:59:28 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 29, 2023, 12:59:36 PM
I reckon any negotiations can be done exactly the same wherever he is. Let's say we're in for a player from Germany, it makes no difference if Monchi is in B6 or the USA. 

Yep, true. 

Quote from: Londonvilla on July 29, 2023, 01:51:34 PM
Aston Villa giving consideration to Adama Traore reunion?

https://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/aston-villa/transfer-talk/news/villa-giving-consideration-to-adama-traore-reunion_519804.html?newsnow


I hope there’s no mobile phone coverage in Washington. Or internet. Or faxes. 

And a world shortage of duck/goose fat.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: KevinGage on July 29, 2023, 04:13:34 PM
			

			

				Mebbe Sportsmole are getting their Traores mixed up. 

The one who used to play for us is rubbish. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on July 29, 2023, 04:24:02 PM
			

			

				Surely wherever Monchi is the deal gets done when he tells the person on the other end “Hola peasant, this is Monchi”
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on July 29, 2023, 04:30:55 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Londonvilla on July 29, 2023, 01:51:34 PM
Aston Villa giving consideration to Adama Traore reunion?

https://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/aston-villa/transfer-talk/news/villa-giving-consideration-to-adama-traore-reunion_519804.html?newsnow


I had high hopes for him the first time around; his level is the championship at best.

Could Unai Emery work a miracle and transform him into a world-class player? .....No
Noooooooo. Please villa don't even touch him a greased pole
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villafirst on July 29, 2023, 05:32:45 PM
			

			

				If UE thinks it would work with Adama Traore, then that's ok with me. Especially as I believe he's a free agent?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Olneythelonely on July 29, 2023, 05:37:55 PM
			

			

				https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/1685327936067416064?s=46&t=KX85xbLNg41h2N4y-FzW2Q

Erm….what?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on July 29, 2023, 05:39:18 PM
			

			

				Surely that is an interview on site as he is at DC Utd and we are in Washington not re-signing
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: KevinGage on July 29, 2023, 05:39:47 PM
			

			

				Couldn't wait to get away after relegation and he's a bit shit. 

There are a million and one other footballers I'd take over that roided up numpty. 

Adama, obv.  Not Benteke. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Olneythelonely on July 29, 2023, 05:40:17 PM
			

			

				Just realised he plays for D.C. United. Thought we’d resigned him. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on July 29, 2023, 05:49:57 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Olneythelonely on July 29, 2023, 05:37:55 PM
https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/1685327936067416064?s=46&t=KX85xbLNg41h2N4y-FzW2Q

Erm….what?

Who is it? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on July 29, 2023, 05:51:35 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on July 29, 2023, 05:49:57 PM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on July 29, 2023, 05:37:55 PM
https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/1685327936067416064?s=46&t=KX85xbLNg41h2N4y-FzW2Q

Erm….what?

Who is it?

Benteke  8)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: N'ZMAV on July 29, 2023, 05:51:37 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on July 29, 2023, 05:49:57 PM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on July 29, 2023, 05:37:55 PM
https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/1685327936067416064?s=46&t=KX85xbLNg41h2N4y-FzW2Q

Erm….what?

Who is it? 
 Steve Hodge 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 29, 2023, 05:58:54 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on July 29, 2023, 05:49:57 PM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on July 29, 2023, 05:37:55 PM
https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/1685327936067416064?s=46&t=KX85xbLNg41h2N4y-FzW2Q

Erm….what?

Who is it? 

Pat Van Den Hauwe 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on July 29, 2023, 06:01:24 PM
			

			

				It'll obviously be some interview about his time at Villa but imagine if it was a 1 year deal.

THERE WAS A STRIKER A BELGIAN STRIKER  8)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on July 29, 2023, 06:01:31 PM
			

			

				Smart arse!!  I'm looking on my phone and couldn't see all of his face.  Presumably an interview. Just the type of player we need, when in his pomp. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on July 29, 2023, 06:03:15 PM
			

			

				https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1685334548656087040?t=qpz4Ykdppyhcli4YzGZ8YQ&s=19

"It was the best time of my career."


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: jwarry on July 29, 2023, 08:31:47 PM
			

			

				My German Eintracht supporting neighbour here in Cyprus says this the guy we should look to sign and he’s surprised they have managed to hang in to him so far 

https://youtu.be/AZdErZsYoeo

Kolo-muani 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 29, 2023, 08:36:36 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: jwarry on July 29, 2023, 08:31:47 PM
My German Eintracht supporting neighbour here in Cyprus says this the guy we should look to sign and he’s surprised they have managed to hang in to him so far 

https://youtu.be/AZdErZsYoeo

Kolo-muani

He's tipped to end up at a 'bigger' club than us. Probably see him at PSG when man baby leaves.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Londonvilla on July 29, 2023, 08:38:57 PM
			

			

				Aston Villa have asked about permanent deal for Matej Kovar, Hull City among loan suitors

Interestingly, the future of Matej Kovar is still to be decided. The 23-year-old won the league with Sparta Prague last season and while they wanted him this season as well, it seems like the Reds want a permanent exit.

https://thepeoplesperson.com/2023/07/29/aston-villa-have-asked-about-permanent-deal-for-matej-kovar-hull-city-among-loan-suitors-267323/

First good link to a backup keeper



			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ian. on July 29, 2023, 08:46:09 PM
			

			

				Phew! 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Mellin on July 29, 2023, 09:08:31 PM
			

			

				Should get Benteke in as backup just because.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on July 29, 2023, 09:24:04 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Mellin on July 29, 2023, 09:08:31 PM
Should get Benteke in as backup just because.

Agreed it's not as daft as it sounds.

Esperienced, knows the club, can finish better than Watkins and for one year it'd make sense.

I know it's not happening BTW.

But it wouldn't be a terrible idea. I doubt he's even on much in the MLS. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on July 29, 2023, 10:24:10 PM
			

			

				The Beast is Back! He even says that the Villa were his best playing days. And we were shite then. So come on, alien-ears, let's be 'avin ya. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: danno on July 29, 2023, 10:26:07 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on July 29, 2023, 08:36:36 PM
Quote from: jwarry on July 29, 2023, 08:31:47 PM
My German Eintracht supporting neighbour here in Cyprus says this the guy we should look to sign and he’s surprised they have managed to hang in to him so far 

https://youtu.be/AZdErZsYoeo

Kolo-muani

He's tipped to end up at a 'bigger' club than us. Probably see him at PSG when man baby leaves.

Neymar is leaving too?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 30, 2023, 12:31:12 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: danno on July 29, 2023, 10:26:07 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on July 29, 2023, 08:36:36 PM
Quote from: jwarry on July 29, 2023, 08:31:47 PM
My German Eintracht supporting neighbour here in Cyprus says this the guy we should look to sign and he’s surprised they have managed to hang in to him so far 

https://youtu.be/AZdErZsYoeo

Kolo-muani

He's tipped to end up at a 'bigger' club than us. Probably see him at PSG when man baby leaves.

Neymar is leaving too?

Can you imagine that dressing room? Fuck me, twat city.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 30, 2023, 12:40:05 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on July 29, 2023, 09:24:04 PM
Quote from: Mellin on July 29, 2023, 09:08:31 PM
Should get Benteke in as backup just because.

Agreed it's not as daft as it sounds.

Esperienced, knows the club, can finish better than Watkins and for one year it'd make sense.

I know it's not happening BTW.

But it wouldn't be a terrible idea. I doubt he's even on much in the MLS.

It is sort of a bit daft. He's in the MLS for a reason and that's because he's nowhere near good enough anymore. I loved him but I wouldn't touch him now. No sentimentality in this dojo.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: jwarry on July 30, 2023, 06:54:34 AM
			

			

				It appears Unai said he’s sticking with Olsen as back up next season so no new keeper coming in
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on July 30, 2023, 07:32:05 AM
			

			

				Obviously not planning on winning a cup game this season if we are planning to use Concrete Feet as number two again 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: N'ZMAV on July 30, 2023, 07:58:38 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Gareth on July 30, 2023, 07:32:05 AM
Obviously not planning on winning a cup game this season if we are planning to use Concrete Feet as number two again 
 there's got to be someone in the u21's that isn't worse than Olsen
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 30, 2023, 08:15:38 AM
			

			

				Think Sinisalo is already going out on loan.

Marschall or Zych maybe?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: KevinGage on July 30, 2023, 09:16:34 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: jwarry on July 30, 2023, 06:54:34 AM
It appears Unai said he’s sticking with Olsen as back up next season so no new keeper coming in

I hope it's a MON / Gavin McCann situation, where MON raved about how 'wonderful' a player the crab was. And promptly sold him a few weeks later. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on July 30, 2023, 09:17:50 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on July 29, 2023, 09:24:04 PM
Quote from: Mellin on July 29, 2023, 09:08:31 PM
Should get Benteke in as backup just because.

Agreed it's not as daft as it sounds.

Esperienced, knows the club, can finish better than Watkins and for one year it'd make sense.

I know it's not happening BTW.

But it wouldn't be a terrible idea. I doubt he's even on much in the MLS.
It is as daft as it sounds and a terrible idea.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on July 30, 2023, 09:29:44 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: jwarry on July 30, 2023, 06:54:34 AM
It appears Unai said he’s sticking with Olsen as back up next season so no new keeper coming in

Links/quotes? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dave shelley on July 30, 2023, 09:33:55 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: coreyfeldman on July 30, 2023, 09:29:44 AM
Quote from: jwarry on July 30, 2023, 06:54:34 AM
It appears Unai said he’s sticking with Olsen as back up next season so no new keeper coming in

Links/quotes? 

It's in what passes as the Meaning Evil.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Martyn Smith on July 30, 2023, 09:57:46 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Londonvilla on July 28, 2023, 07:33:13 PM
Breaking: Aston Villa confirm striker transfer with surprise destination

The latest Aston Villa transfer news as the striker has joined Championship side Stoke City in a permanent move away from Villa Park

Wesley has now put pen-to-paper on a one-year deal with Stoke

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/breaking-aston-villa-confirm-striker-27418293


Don't think they paid much for him (if anything), but its good to get him off the books

Tbh I had no idea he was still *on* our books...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Jon Crofts on July 30, 2023, 10:28:53 AM
			

			

				Tell me these Adama Traore rumours are nonsense. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on July 30, 2023, 10:43:54 AM
			

			

				These Adama Traore  rumours are nonsense
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Pete3206 on July 30, 2023, 11:12:17 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Jon Crofts on July 30, 2023, 10:28:53 AM
Tell me these Adama Traore rumours are nonsense. 

I'd say around 100% bullshit.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Lescottstweets on July 30, 2023, 12:04:24 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 29, 2023, 04:24:02 PM
Surely wherever Monchi is the deal gets done when he tells the person on the other end “Hola peasant, this is Monchi”

Monchi giving a Papa Lazarou speech ‘you’re my player now Dave’
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on July 30, 2023, 02:19:29 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: jwarry on July 30, 2023, 06:54:34 AM
It appears Unai said he’s sticking with Olsen as back up next season so no new keeper coming in

😂


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on July 30, 2023, 03:10:04 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: jwarry on July 30, 2023, 06:54:34 AM
It appears Unai said he’s sticking with Olsen as back up next season so no new keeper coming in
i really hope not . Maybe this is Emery's blind spot ? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Martyn Smith on July 30, 2023, 03:49:54 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on July 30, 2023, 10:43:54 AM
These Adama Traore  rumours are nonsense

He's another Bailey, a luxury player capable of sporadic moments of brilliance. One or the other, perhaps, but not both...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ger Regan on July 30, 2023, 03:57:39 PM
			

			

				Harsh comparison on Bailey, that. He's done way more than adama.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Martyn Smith on July 30, 2023, 03:58:02 PM
			

			

				Did I just read somewhere that Inter have offered £12.5m for Martinez? Are they actually serious or doing it for s&g's?...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: frank black on July 30, 2023, 04:28:35 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Martyn Smith on July 30, 2023, 03:58:02 PM
Did I just read somewhere that Inter have offered £12.5m for Martinez? Are they actually serious or doing it for s&g's?...

Just some of the usual bloke on Twitter rubbish a few weeks ago.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: astonvilla82 on July 30, 2023, 04:40:01 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Martyn Smith on July 30, 2023, 03:58:02 PM
Did I just read somewhere that Inter have offered £12.5m for Martinez? Are they actually serious or doing it for s&g's?...
 it's a misprint,it should have read £125,000,000
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ian. on July 30, 2023, 04:53:21 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Martyn Smith on July 30, 2023, 03:49:54 PM
Quote from: LeeB on July 30, 2023, 10:43:54 AM
These Adama Traore  rumours are nonsense

He's another Bailey, a luxury player capable of sporadic moments of brilliance. One or the other, perhaps, but not both...

Except Bailey actually offers goals and assists, Traore has offered barely anything in over two years.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on July 30, 2023, 04:53:48 PM
			

			

				Diaby playing in the 10 role again. Rumours of Bailey going to Saudi. Room for a first choice wide right player to come in ahead of Philogene? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 30, 2023, 05:55:50 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on July 30, 2023, 04:53:48 PM
Diaby playing in the 10 role again. Rumours of Bailey going to Saudi.

With his fondness for oil, surely Traore would be better suited to a Saudi move.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on July 30, 2023, 06:08:04 PM
			

			

				Looking at what Emery's done, I'm sure we would be in for a much better player than Traore. Actually, watching the game I'm thinking if we added Brennan Johnson into what's already there, some sides would be getting ripped to shreds. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on July 30, 2023, 06:45:43 PM
			

			

				Not advocating for him, but I wonder if Traore could be a wing back versus traditional winger. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on July 30, 2023, 07:19:22 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 30, 2023, 06:45:43 PM
Not advocating for him, but I wonder if Traore could be a wing back versus traditional winger.

Not for me, wing back has to work hard up and back, not something Bertrand has ever done.  Bailey could maybe
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on July 30, 2023, 07:21:46 PM
			

			

				Think we're talking about Adama Traore. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on July 30, 2023, 07:32:47 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 30, 2023, 06:45:43 PM
Not advocating for him, but I wonder if Traore could be a wing back versus traditional winger. 

That might make sense.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on July 30, 2023, 07:39:40 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 30, 2023, 07:32:47 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 30, 2023, 06:45:43 PM
Not advocating for him, but I wonder if Traore could be a wing back versus traditional winger. 

That might make sense.
In what way? a bloke who has shown zero defensive ability whatsoever.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 30, 2023, 07:42:18 PM
			

			

				Every time I saw Traore play for Wolves, he seemed to be standing around doing absolutely nothing. I'm not sure what an Emery player is, but I'd say he's about as far away from one as it's possible to get.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 30, 2023, 07:47:46 PM
			

			

				Traore isn't even a footballer, he's an athlete.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on July 30, 2023, 07:56:40 PM
			

			

				It’s up there with bringing Benteke back, it’s a long summer.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on July 30, 2023, 08:08:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 30, 2023, 07:32:47 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 30, 2023, 06:45:43 PM
Not advocating for him, but I wonder if Traore could be a wing back versus traditional winger. 

That might make sense.
Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 30, 2023, 07:32:47 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 30, 2023, 06:45:43 PM
Not advocating for him, but I wonder if Traore could be a wing back versus traditional winger. 

That might make sense.
Quote from: ChicagoLion on July 30, 2023, 07:39:40 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 30, 2023, 07:32:47 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 30, 2023, 06:45:43 PM
Not advocating for him, but I wonder if Traore could be a wing back versus traditional winger. 

That might make sense.
In what way? a bloke who has shown zero defensive ability whatsoever.

There has definitely been talk of him doing it in the past. Not saying I’m particularly onboard with it, but it’s not entirely out of the question based on what Emery does with his fullbacks.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on July 30, 2023, 08:11:27 PM
			

			

				I couldn't imagine Traore playing right back. It's an interesting idea but no, I can't see it. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on July 30, 2023, 08:12:16 PM
			

			

				I don't think Traore is especially good as a winger though, which surely has to be the starting point Paul? On the rare occasion he does something, it's usually just knock it past a player and then use his speed to try to get away. For any half decent defender it's too easy to defend against.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: danno on July 30, 2023, 08:12:28 PM
			

			

				Traore only ever looked good before Raul Jimenez had his bad head injury. I’m not downplaying Watkins ability at all but think Traore would have a better chance of doing well with a striker like Toney or Mitrovic.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on July 30, 2023, 08:13:45 PM
			

			

				Yeah like I say I’m not really advocating for it - more saying that it has been mentioned as something in the past. Probably wouldn’t work, and I’d rather get someone who already can play fullback/wingback.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on July 30, 2023, 08:28:34 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clampy on July 30, 2023, 08:11:27 PM
I couldn't imagine Traore playing right back. It's an interesting idea but no, I can't see it.

It's interesting, in the same way as 'would a sheep make a good gas engineer', type of interesting 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rory on July 30, 2023, 08:31:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: coreyfeldman on July 30, 2023, 08:28:34 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 30, 2023, 08:11:27 PM
I couldn't imagine Traore playing right back. It's an interesting idea but no, I can't see it.

It's interesting, in the same way as 'would a sheep make a good gas engineer', type of interesting

If it came out to fix your boiler it would fleece you.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: enigma on July 30, 2023, 08:32:41 PM
			

			

				Traore has played as a wingback before so not as outlandish as it sounds. Still don't want him back though.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villafirst on July 30, 2023, 08:34:59 PM
			

			

				I'll be glad when JJ is fit plus Moreno. Those two add a lot of power to the attack. Moreno is so good with those bursts down the left.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on July 30, 2023, 08:36:16 PM
			

			

				a quality Nr 9 is a priority. Hopefully Emery can see that now
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on July 30, 2023, 08:48:35 PM
			

			

				Adama has to be one of the most over rated players in the history of the Premier League….he is not a player you can trust at either end of the pitch - part of their incompetence as a PL club was not selling him when clubs were talking 30m+ 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on July 30, 2023, 09:14:35 PM
			

			

				Sure if clubs were willing to pay £30m then why would we have sold him. £30m is a lot of money today let alone back then suggests he was one of our best players. He came into a shit situation, struggled like everyone else. Got injured in the cup (I believe) and never properly recovered. He could have been more but too many managers just used him for his pace and didn’t develop him. And that probably was in him also. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 30, 2023, 09:17:22 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 30, 2023, 09:14:35 PM
Sure if clubs were willing to pay £30m then why would we have sold him. £30m is a lot of money today let alone back then suggests he was one of our best players. 

Wolves. Not us.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 30, 2023, 09:20:19 PM
			

			

				Can’t see there being any substance in the Adama rumours, more likely we sign the Spanish player with the unfortunate name to compete with Cash.

Slightly disturbed at the prospect of Olsen staying on, wrong type of no.2. Suspect Emery is a better judge than me though, must be fine in training or Martinez has superhuman fitness levels.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on July 30, 2023, 09:35:12 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on July 30, 2023, 09:17:22 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 30, 2023, 09:14:35 PM
Sure if clubs were willing to pay £30m then why would we have sold him. £30m is a lot of money today let alone back then suggests he was one of our best players. 

Wolves. Not us.

Yeh, stupid of me. Don’t know why I thought that. I know he was a highly rated player coming to us when we got him. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on July 30, 2023, 10:25:57 PM
			

			

				Adama Traore played RWB at Wolves for a time. 

The problem with him is he is incredible at dribbling, has ridiculous speed, & is a greased up Greek god. 

And while those assets to his game are very impressive, they are his only assets.

He is basically as good as I am at everything else...

Should we get him, even on a free?

No.

We have moved on from that...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on July 30, 2023, 10:38:57 PM
			

			

				maybe slightly controversial but on a FREE i'd take A Traore back 100%, he would be a useful tactical instrument over a 50+ game season
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: andyh on July 30, 2023, 10:44:26 PM
			

			

				Traore is a circus act.
I can’t believe for one second that he is the type that Unai would want, free or not.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on July 30, 2023, 10:46:04 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rory on July 30, 2023, 08:31:17 PM
Quote from: coreyfeldman on July 30, 2023, 08:28:34 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 30, 2023, 08:11:27 PM
I couldn't imagine Traore playing right back. It's an interesting idea but no, I can't see it.

It's interesting, in the same way as 'would a sheep make a good gas engineer', type of interesting

If it came out to fix your boiler it would fleece you.
Maybe, but I bet if you pulled it up on it, it'd look a bit sheepish.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on July 30, 2023, 10:49:54 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: andyh on July 30, 2023, 10:44:26 PM
Traore is a circus act.
I can’t believe for one second that he is the type that Unai would want, free or not.
maybe a circus act , but with the right circus trainer ? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Hairbandinho on July 30, 2023, 11:49:47 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: VillaTim on July 30, 2023, 10:49:54 PM
Quote from: andyh on July 30, 2023, 10:44:26 PM
Traore is a circus act.
I can’t believe for one second that he is the type that Unai would want, free or not.
maybe a circus act , but with the right circus trainer ?

He doesn't have a Football brain. It's too late to teach him that, regardless who the teacher is. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john2710 on July 31, 2023, 12:12:09 AM
			

			

				Traore is shite, we did well to get rid of him & get £7m. Nobody having seen him attempt to play football, would think there's any chance Emery would consider him.

Next we'll be saying we should bring Guilbert back as cover for Cash.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on July 31, 2023, 07:40:13 AM
			

			

				Fred Again?

Was wondering why I haven't heard about him as a footballer since he left us. Turns out he's a superstar DJ now.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 31, 2023, 08:36:16 AM
			

			

				Well sounds like Meunier got injured in a friendly for Dortmund, so we definitely won't be bringing him in.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on July 31, 2023, 10:58:54 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 30, 2023, 09:20:19 PM
Can’t see there being any substance in the Adama rumours, more likely we sign the Spanish player with the unfortunate name to compete with Cash.

Slightly disturbed at the prospect of Olsen staying on, wrong type of no.2. Suspect Emery is a better judge than me though, must be fine in training or Martinez has superhuman fitness levels.

Yeah, there has been further speculation about that RB hasn't there?  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 31, 2023, 11:13:11 AM
			

			

				Not so far as I know, but was so random I reckon there was something in it.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: IFWaters on July 31, 2023, 07:58:32 PM
			

			

				Iheanacho from Leicester to give us a bit of experienced backup for Ollie. No problem with Archer getting game time this year but feel its a position where we are short on quality cover. Joao Felix would be great but hes more of a number 10 as I understand it.

Same with rightback and goalie.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: enigma on July 31, 2023, 08:12:37 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: IFWaters on July 31, 2023, 07:58:32 PM
Iheanacho from Leicester to give us a bit of experienced backup for Ollie. No problem with Archer getting game time this year but feel its a position where we are short on quality cover. Joao Felix would be great but hes more of a number 10 as I understand it.

Same with rightback and goalie.
I thought that. If we can't get a top striker in then I wouldn't be against getting him in as back up.

I'd like to see us gor for Balogun at Arsenal though. Seems he's on his way out if they get a suitable offer.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 31, 2023, 08:13:20 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: tomd2103 on July 31, 2023, 10:58:54 AM

Yeah, there has been further speculation about that RB hasn't there? 

I saw something yesterday that quoted Fabrizio Romano as saying we were looking at several players in Spain and he seemed to think we were looking at full back options, I think. I'll see if I can find it again.

Edit - 

"Reviewing Villa’s transfer window, Romano told GIVEMESPORT: “I think they will move on other targets, for example, full-backs. I will keep an eye there for Aston Villa because they're exploring some possibilities in Spain." 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on July 31, 2023, 08:20:37 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: enigma on July 31, 2023, 08:12:37 PM
Quote from: IFWaters on July 31, 2023, 07:58:32 PM
Iheanacho from Leicester to give us a bit of experienced backup for Ollie. No problem with Archer getting game time this year but feel its a position where we are short on quality cover. Joao Felix would be great but hes more of a number 10 as I understand it.

Same with rightback and goalie.
I thought that. If we can't get a top striker in then I wouldn't be against getting him in as back up.

I'd like to see us gor for Balogun at Arsenal though. Seems he's on his way out if they get a suitable offer.

I like Balogun and I'm surprised they're willing to let him go and keep Nketiah. I think he'd be a great signing and has the advantage that he's comfortable right across the front so could also cover Diaby meaning we'd could consider letting Bailey go (and apparently there's interest in him).

Iheanacho I'm less sure of, he just doesn't do enough for me, 1 good game here and there tends to hide the fact that he's pretty lazy when things aren't going his way. In all honestly I think the same is true of a lot of the attacking players from Leicester last season, which is a big part of why they struggled, a shit defence/keeper (lets be fair their first choice was far worse than Olsen) and no one working for the team at the other end is a bad combination.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on July 31, 2023, 08:22:52 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: enigma on July 31, 2023, 08:12:37 PM
I'd like to see us gor for Balogun at Arsenal though. Seems he's on his way out if they get a suitable offer.

That suitable offer appears to be in the region of £50m though. 

I reckon if you stuck Archer at a mid-table Ligue 1 team he'd probably pop 15-20 in.

So, no thanks.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SoccerHQ on July 31, 2023, 08:31:44 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Villafirst on July 30, 2023, 08:34:59 PM
I'll be glad when JJ is fit plus Moreno. Those two add a lot of power to the attack. Moreno is so good with those bursts down the left.

Yeah that's a concern in the first few weeks. Those two destroyed Newcastle in April (I doubt outside of Man. City that Trippier had a harder game defending all season) but neither around for first game so our left side feels a bit unpredictable in final third whereas you'd think Cash and Diaby on the right side has potential to really cause someone like Dan Burn all sorts of issues.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 31, 2023, 08:52:47 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on July 31, 2023, 08:22:52 PM
Quote from: enigma on July 31, 2023, 08:12:37 PM
I'd like to see us gor for Balogun at Arsenal though. Seems he's on his way out if they get a suitable offer.

That suitable offer appears to be in the region of £50m though. 

I reckon if you stuck Archer at a mid-table Ligue 1 team he'd probably pop 15-20 in.

So, no thanks.

Was about to post something similar. They appear to want a huge transfer fee on the back of one, admittedly good, season in the French top division. For me he’d need to show that he could do it for a few seasons at least and I’d still have my doubts! 
Saying that, and to completely contradict myself, Man U have spent more than that on someone who has a similar record so….
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: enigma on July 31, 2023, 09:05:42 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 31, 2023, 08:52:47 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 31, 2023, 08:22:52 PM
Quote from: enigma on July 31, 2023, 08:12:37 PM
I'd like to see us gor for Balogun at Arsenal though. Seems he's on his way out if they get a suitable offer.

That suitable offer appears to be in the region of £50m though. 

I reckon if you stuck Archer at a mid-table Ligue 1 team he'd probably pop 15-20 in.

So, no thanks.

Was about to post something similar. They appear to want a huge transfer fee on the back of one, admittedly good, season in the French top division. For me he’d need to show that he could do it for a few seasons at least and I’d still have my doubts! 
Saying that, and to completely contradict myself, Man U have spent more than that on someone who has a similar record so….
The flip side is if he does do it for several seasons he'll be out of our reach. He might be anyway as it looks like he might be off to Inter.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: DrGonzo on July 31, 2023, 11:05:11 PM
			

			

				If we can't move Chambers on it would appear that Emery is happy with the idea of a mobile back line with a CB playing one of the full back roles and stepping in and out of 3 CBs.  I still think that there are too many players required for us to achieve a full squad build in just one window.  Archer and Philogene looked good enough so far to be used in a squad, and unless Bailey, Dndnckr and Chambers leave we are probably quite close to the limit in terms of fees and wages.  Anybody else we go for, imo, will either be a RB as back up for Cash or a top of the line player that fits a very specific role.  I think we've had a very good window alrady and anything else will be all icing and cherries.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 31, 2023, 11:10:26 PM
			

			

				Striker-wise, I think (or more accurately hope) we’re waiting for Tammy to get fit.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smithy on July 31, 2023, 11:12:26 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on July 31, 2023, 08:22:52 PM
Quote from: enigma on July 31, 2023, 08:12:37 PM
I'd like to see us gor for Balogun at Arsenal though. Seems he's on his way out if they get a suitable offer.

That suitable offer appears to be in the region of £50m though. 

I reckon if you stuck Archer at a mid-table Ligue 1 team he'd probably pop 15-20 in.

So, no thanks.

Interestingly, Balogun did the second half of the 21/22 season at Boro (while Cam was at Preston).  Ask the boro fans who they'd prefer to have back...  I did a while ago, and while they agreed Balogun is a very talented player, but their view was that Cam would score goals wherever he played, which is priceless, and so they'd prefer to have him back no question.

Balogun is basically a year ahead of Cam, and if Cam has the breakthrough season we all hope for, he could easily be a £30m+ player this time next year.  I certainly don't think a single impressive year on loan in Ligue 1 should be enough to consider bringing him in when we might have our own version waiting in the wings.  Lacazette got over 30 goals in France last year, but he never got more than 14 league goals while at Arsenal (and he's 32 now).  The bottom half of Ligue 1 is Championship standard.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on July 31, 2023, 11:14:22 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 31, 2023, 11:10:26 PM
Striker-wise, I think (or more accurately hope) we’re waiting for Tammy to get fit.

I just posted about this in the Watkins thread. If the story is true that we were pretty much sale agreed on him, we obviously wanted another striker in this window. The fact we haven't been linked to anyone else since, not substantially anyway, makes you wonder.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 31, 2023, 11:17:44 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on July 31, 2023, 11:14:22 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 31, 2023, 11:10:26 PM
Striker-wise, I think (or more accurately hope) we’re waiting for Tammy to get fit.

I just posted about this in the Watkins thread. If the story is true that we were pretty much sale agreed on him, we obviously wanted another striker in this window. The fact we haven't been linked to anyone else since, not substantially anyway, makes you wonder.

As I said, I hope it’s Tammy we’re waiting for. I’ve always thought he’s slightly better than Watkins, and I rate Watkins highly too.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on July 31, 2023, 11:32:02 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on July 31, 2023, 11:13:11 AM
Not so far as I know, but was so random I reckon there was something in it.

Think it was the Birmingham Mail regurgitating a story from a Spanish media source a few days ago.  Quoted a figure of €6m.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on July 31, 2023, 11:46:17 PM
			

			

				A new summer signing on this day, 1991:

(https://i.ibb.co/J7cT2WJ/Screenshot-20230731-231906-Chrome.jpg) (https://ibb.co/J7cT2WJ)

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on August 01, 2023, 01:01:29 AM
			

			

				Sean teale, phwoar
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on August 01, 2023, 01:40:02 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 31, 2023, 11:10:26 PM
Striker-wise, I think (or more accurately hope) we’re waiting for Tammy to get fit.

If that story was true then it wouldn't surprise me that we will hold on for now with what we have and add him in January.

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/roma-sold-tammy-abraham-aston-27120781
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smithy on August 01, 2023, 08:15:05 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on July 31, 2023, 11:46:17 PM
A new summer signing on this day, 1991:

(https://i.ibb.co/J7cT2WJ/Screenshot-20230731-231906-Chrome.jpg) (https://ibb.co/J7cT2WJ)


Can you imagine a premier league footballer today being photographed on signing day in a shirt, tie and double-breasted suit?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on August 01, 2023, 08:27:27 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on July 31, 2023, 11:46:17 PM
A new summer signing on this day, 1991:

(https://i.ibb.co/J7cT2WJ/Screenshot-20230731-231906-Chrome.jpg) (https://ibb.co/J7cT2WJ)
Still have that scarf, though it's long been retired in favour of a "Coca Cola Cup Final 1994" one, given our for free on the posh train down to Wembley that year.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: TheMalandro on August 01, 2023, 10:26:48 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smithy on August 01, 2023, 08:15:05 AM
Quote from: eamonn on July 31, 2023, 11:46:17 PM
A new summer signing on this day, 1991:

(https://i.ibb.co/J7cT2WJ/Screenshot-20230731-231906-Chrome.jpg) (https://ibb.co/J7cT2WJ)


Can you imagine a premier league footballer today being photographed on signing day in a shirt, tie and double-breasted suit?

If Southgate has a son…
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on August 01, 2023, 11:05:41 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on July 31, 2023, 08:20:37 PM

Iheanacho I'm less sure of, he just doesn't do enough for me, 1 good game here and there tends to hide the fact that he's pretty lazy when things aren't going his way. In all honestly I think the same is true of a lot of the attacking players from Leicester last season, which is a big part of why they struggled, a shit defence/keeper (lets be fair their first choice was far worse than Olsen) and no one working for the team at the other end is a bad combination.

Couldn't the same accusation be levelled at Tielemans?! In fact, I'm pretty sure it was. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 01, 2023, 11:23:23 AM
			

			

				Iheanacho Has a good record at VP :)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 01, 2023, 11:41:12 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smithy on August 01, 2023, 08:15:05 AM
Quote from: eamonn on July 31, 2023, 11:46:17 PM
A new summer signing on this day, 1991:

(https://i.ibb.co/J7cT2WJ/Screenshot-20230731-231906-Chrome.jpg) (https://ibb.co/J7cT2WJ)


Can you imagine a premier league footballer today being photographed on signing day in a shirt, tie and double-breasted suit?

No, and not one that looked like a 50 year old Terry Thomas either. Brilliant signing though. Met him a couple of times when he was manager of Burscough.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: The Edge on August 01, 2023, 11:52:09 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 01, 2023, 01:40:02 AM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 31, 2023, 11:10:26 PM
Striker-wise, I think (or more accurately hope) we’re waiting for Tammy to get fit.

If that story was true then it wouldn't surprise me that we will hold on for now with what we have and add him in January.

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/roma-sold-tammy-abraham-aston-27120781
Fuck that we can't afford to wait till January. It would seriously impede our title challenge. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 01, 2023, 11:54:05 AM
			

			

				Not going to lie, I'd be pretty disappointed if Tammy is the 'top-class' striker that we're waiting on. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on August 01, 2023, 12:00:04 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on August 01, 2023, 11:54:05 AM
Not going to lie, I'd be pretty disappointed if Tammy is the 'top-class' striker that we're waiting on.

likewise
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on August 01, 2023, 12:11:46 PM
			

			

				Matej Kovar links, goalkeeper from Manchester United and also Samuel Iling-Junior from Juve
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on August 01, 2023, 12:43:16 PM
			

			

				oh well....

Fabrizio Romano
@FabrizioRomano
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15m
EXCLUSIVE: Manchester City now add Jeremy Doku to the list to replace Riyad Mahrez as new winger 🚨🔵 #MCFC

Alongside Michael Olise (who’s in both City and Chelsea lists), Doku is one of the priority names being considered by Man City.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on August 01, 2023, 12:47:47 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on August 01, 2023, 11:05:41 AM
Quote from: paul_e on July 31, 2023, 08:20:37 PM

Iheanacho I'm less sure of, he just doesn't do enough for me, 1 good game here and there tends to hide the fact that he's pretty lazy when things aren't going his way. In all honestly I think the same is true of a lot of the attacking players from Leicester last season, which is a big part of why they struggled, a shit defence/keeper (lets be fair their first choice was far worse than Olsen) and no one working for the team at the other end is a bad combination.

Couldn't the same accusation be levelled at Tielemans?! In fact, I'm pretty sure it was. 

Of course it could, but he has a much higher pedigree.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on August 01, 2023, 01:06:50 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on August 01, 2023, 12:43:16 PM
oh well....

Fabrizio Romano
@FabrizioRomano
·
15m
EXCLUSIVE: Manchester City now add Jeremy Doku to the list to replace Riyad Mahrez as new winger 🚨🔵 #MCFC

Alongside Michael Olise (who’s in both City and Chelsea lists), Doku is one of the priority names being considered by Man City.

Hmmm, I wonder which bench he'd rather warm.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on August 01, 2023, 01:36:49 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on August 01, 2023, 01:06:50 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on August 01, 2023, 12:43:16 PM
oh well....

Fabrizio Romano
@FabrizioRomano
·
15m
EXCLUSIVE: Manchester City now add Jeremy Doku to the list to replace Riyad Mahrez as new winger 🚨🔵 #MCFC

Alongside Michael Olise (who’s in both City and Chelsea lists), Doku is one of the priority names being considered by Man City.

Hmmm, I wonder which bench he'd rather warm.

He was always destined to join the dark side.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 01, 2023, 03:34:42 PM
			

			

				Few links to that young keeper at Man Utd today. He was on loan at Sparta Prague last season, made 32 appearances for them across various competitions. Think they won the league last season? 

He's training on his own having been left out of preseason squad, and Sparta apparently want him back but haven't been able to agree a deal. 

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: oldtimernow on August 01, 2023, 04:57:34 PM
			

			

				Knowing ManUre that will be a ridiculous price,Trafford , the Burnley signing would have been a good one imo, reasonably priced too
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on August 01, 2023, 04:59:46 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: oldtimernow on August 01, 2023, 04:57:34 PM
Knowing ManUre that will be a ridiculous price,Trafford , the Burnley signing would have been a good one imo, reasonably priced too

£19m for someone who has never played higher than League One?

Amazing what passes for "reasonably priced" these days!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 01, 2023, 05:44:56 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: oldtimernow on August 01, 2023, 04:57:34 PM
Knowing ManUre that will be a ridiculous price,Trafford , the Burnley signing would have been a good one imo, reasonably priced too

10 million according to what I read, but where that number has come from, I don't know.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RamboandBruno on August 01, 2023, 06:04:42 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on August 01, 2023, 11:54:05 AM
Not going to lie, I'd be pretty disappointed if Tammy is the 'top-class' striker that we're waiting on.

Yep me too. There was a time when i really wanted Tammy back, but for me this would just be nostalgia now. He’s a different tupe of player, but i just think despite criticism, some deserved, some not, Watkins was offers more. 

I’d never really heard of Diaby, so think it will be someone else i haven’t heard off. Not hard as i haven’t heard of a lot of players….unless its Felix. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on August 01, 2023, 06:08:57 PM
			

			

				pre injury - I think tammy for £25m ish isn't a bad deal.

As a squad player - he would be good, and if you think what Unai did with Watkins in a few months, to have two strikers of that quality - there will be few that could match that outside, probably beyond Liverpool, and the two Manchester clubs.

I would love someone amazing - and it would be a little underwhelming but I don't think it would be bad business
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on August 01, 2023, 06:10:52 PM
			

			

				What are people thinking - My thinking is were pretty much done.  Maybe some squad type players, especially if we move someone on.  

I can see late in the window a RB and a GK - but Im not expecting anything else exciting 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 01, 2023, 06:19:07 PM
			

			

				For striker, my preference is to sign the best possible “21 year olds” that can be the transition from Watkins in a year or two. I just don’t think we are in the position financially (or attractive enough) to buy the necessary quality right now. 

Currently the best “21 year olds” might be Archer or Duran so we should at least give them a blast until January and see how they do.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on August 01, 2023, 07:17:38 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 01, 2023, 06:19:07 PM
For striker, my preference is to sign the best possible “21 year olds” that can be the transition from Watkins in a year or two. I just don’t think we are in the position financially (or attractive enough) to buy the necessary quality right now. 

Currently the best “21 year olds” might be Archer or Duran so we should at least give them a blast until January and see how they do.

This is both right and the problem at the same time. There's not much point signing a 21year old to develop when we have Archer, Duran, Wilson all working their way through. A 21 year old who's definitely ready to start and compete with Watkins from day 1 would be fine but there aren't many of those around. It's why for this season I'd go for someone a bit older and lean into the bit of extra experience to help those kids develop at their own pace.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ads on August 01, 2023, 08:15:03 PM
			

			

				£10m with Ramsey junior? Not a chance.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Mister E on August 01, 2023, 08:22:22 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ads on August 01, 2023, 08:15:03 PM
£10m with Ramsey junior? Not a chance.
 what are you referring to?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 01, 2023, 08:39:48 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Mister E on August 01, 2023, 08:22:22 PM
Quote from: Ads on August 01, 2023, 08:15:03 PM
£10m with Ramsey junior? Not a chance.
 what are you referring to?

Marcus Rashford I can only assume.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 01, 2023, 08:42:59 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on August 01, 2023, 07:17:38 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 01, 2023, 06:19:07 PM
For striker, my preference is to sign the best possible “21 year olds” that can be the transition from Watkins in a year or two. I just don’t think we are in the position financially (or attractive enough) to buy the necessary quality right now. 

Currently the best “21 year olds” might be Archer or Duran so we should at least give them a blast until January and see how they do.

This is both right and the problem at the same time. There's not much point signing a 21year old to develop when we have Archer, Duran, Wilson all working their way through. A 21 year old who's definitely ready to start and compete with Watkins from day 1 would be fine but there aren't many of those around. It's why for this season I'd go for someone a bit older and lean into the bit of extra experience to help those kids develop at their own pace.

Indeed.  A Cavani would be great, but there’s a risk we end up with a Ronaldo that upsets the chemistry of the whole club. Archer/Duran might fail individually but I think the club would be fully behind them and possibly push harder to make it work.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john2710 on August 01, 2023, 08:55:09 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ads on August 01, 2023, 08:15:03 PM
£10m with Ramsey junior? Not a chance.

Apparently Burnley are preparing a bid. 
Would be a good option on loan 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SoccerHQ on August 01, 2023, 08:57:11 PM
			

			

				Bailey getting linked with Saudi Arabia move.

Think we'll sign another wide attacker in last week of the window. Brennan Johnson has the feel of a late move I reckon.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 01, 2023, 09:18:29 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: SoccerHQ on August 01, 2023, 08:57:11 PM
Bailey getting linked with Saudi Arabia move.

Think we'll sign another wide attacker in last week of the window. Brennan Johnson has the feel of a late move I reckon.

That in/out will provide better balance to the squad. We’d be £20m down I reckon but have genuine competition for Watkins and cover for Diaby (all in one player).
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: steamer on August 01, 2023, 09:23:26 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on August 01, 2023, 11:54:05 AM
Not going to lie, I'd be pretty disappointed if Tammy is the 'top-class' striker that we're waiting on. 
Me to
Did not see so much of him during his time at VP as not so many of the games were televised.
But mates of long standing who saw him week in and out were not broken hearted when he left, common retort was , he did a great job, but not many were convinced he would step up.
We need a back up/alternative to Ollie.
I guess this is not something that has escaped the Management team.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: danno on August 01, 2023, 09:25:14 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Beard82 on August 01, 2023, 06:08:57 PM
pre injury - I think tammy for £25m ish isn't a bad deal.

As a squad player - he would be good, and if you think what Unai did with Watkins in a few months, to have two strikers of that quality - there will be few that could match that outside, probably beyond Liverpool, and the two Manchester clubs.

I would love someone amazing - and it would be a little underwhelming but I don't think it would be bad business

As an upgrade on Watkins it would be very underwhelming, but as competition or a strike partner for Watkins I’d be pretty happy with it.

And at £25/30 million that is a steal.

We paid around that much for Watkins before he’d even scored a premier league goal. Prices for players have only increased since then.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on August 01, 2023, 10:48:44 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: danno on August 01, 2023, 09:25:14 PM
Quote from: Beard82 on August 01, 2023, 06:08:57 PM
pre injury - I think tammy for £25m ish isn't a bad deal.

As a squad player - he would be good, and if you think what Unai did with Watkins in a few months, to have two strikers of that quality - there will be few that could match that outside, probably beyond Liverpool, and the two Manchester clubs.

I would love someone amazing - and it would be a little underwhelming but I don't think it would be bad business

As an upgrade on Watkins it would be very underwhelming, but as competition or a strike partner for Watkins I’d be pretty happy with it.

And at £25/30 million that is a steal.

We paid around that much for Watkins before he’d even scored a premier league goal. Prices for players have only increased since then.

Yeah, I agree that him coming in as second choice and competition for Ollie Watkins would be a decent bit of business at that price.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ads on August 01, 2023, 11:24:11 PM
			

			

				When Man United are spending £70m on a young bloke who scored 9 league goals, I think we're underestimating just how much it would cost to upgrade Ollie and his ability to bag 14/15 a season. I fully expect him to surpass 15 too with the football we shall play under Emery all season.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on August 01, 2023, 11:27:12 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on August 01, 2023, 11:54:05 AM
Not going to lie, I'd be pretty disappointed if Tammy is the 'top-class' striker that we're waiting on.

Yep.

I'd feel better if Unai really wanted him, but it doesn't excite me.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 01, 2023, 11:45:45 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ads on August 01, 2023, 11:24:11 PM
 I fully expect him to surpass 15 too with the football we shall play under Emery all season.

I might have counted wrong, but by my reckoning 13 of those goals were scored under Emery, and all since January. So if he'd managed the same in the first half of the season, you're talking maybe 25 goals, at least. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villabear on August 02, 2023, 02:46:02 AM
			

			

				Man City interested in Doku according to Fabrizio Romano on Twitter via BBC Sport gossip.

Manchester City are keen on Rennes' Belgium winger Jeremy Doku, with the club eyeing the 21-year-old as a replacement for Riyad Mahrez, who joined Saudi side Al-Ahli last week.




			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RamboandBruno on August 02, 2023, 06:42:27 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ads on August 01, 2023, 11:24:11 PM
When Man United are spending £70m on a young bloke who scored 9 league goals, I think we're underestimating just how much it would cost to upgrade Ollie and his ability to bag 14/15 a season. I fully expect him to surpass 15 too with the football we shall play under Emery all season.

Im glad someone has said this. I said on the pre season thread after Sundays game, he had a bit of a stinker in terms of finishing chances but his link up play with Diaby was good. Also in terms of the goals per season since he’s been with us, combined with his work rate etc, I reckon only Haaland, Rashford, Salah, Kane are better forwards at the moment (all different players i know).  Obviously Watkins has got better under Emery has well. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on August 02, 2023, 07:10:35 AM
			

			

				You aren't replacing Watkins for less that £75m now. He's too good all round, but his finishing is a bit streaky. He's either hot or not. Emery needs to find a way to keep him warm.

I'm not convinced Doku will end up at Man City, he would have to change almost everything that makes him exciting to fit in. If he does, it's a shame in many ways. Having said that, and watched us in pre season, I don't think he's right for us necessarily either. We have Diaby, Philogene, Bailey, Ramsey and Buendia who have all been used wide by Emery. Ramsey is the most productive, Diaby and Buendia will get a lot of game time. What we lack is a creative dictator almost. Goncalves would have been a brilliant addition. But that type. Not a tricky winger. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on August 02, 2023, 07:45:59 AM
			

			

				The thing with Ollie is that thus far he has pretty much always been available so if he got a knock that took him out for a couple of months we need to be confident in the replacement.  I like the idea of Cam or Duran starting cup games and bring on the bench for 20 minute run outs but starting every PL game for a spell at the point would be a concern.

Ollie has that high energy press that is difficult to replicate or find someone to carry out….but that is Monchi and co’s job.


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on August 02, 2023, 08:49:06 AM
			

			

				Ollie has the experience it if he was out for any length of time I think the other two would be adequate replacement
Give Archer the same amount of games and time Ollie had last year he’ll get 15 goals 

I just haven’t seen enough of Archer to see whether his all round game ie  hold-up play linkup play work rate is better than Ollies. It could well be








			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: nigel on August 02, 2023, 09:25:22 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 01, 2023, 11:45:45 PM
Quote from: Ads on August 01, 2023, 11:24:11 PM
 I fully expect him to surpass 15 too with the football we shall play under Emery all season.

I might have counted wrong, but by my reckoning 13 of those goals were scored under Emery, and all since January. So if he'd managed the same in the first half of the season, you're talking maybe 25 goals, at least.

I think Ollie will score around the 20 mark this season and at the same time miss 10 easy chances.
We just have accept that is Ollie. 
His overall work ethic is phenomenal and that is priceless 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Axl Rose on August 02, 2023, 09:51:08 AM
			

			

				The only way I'd accept Doku ending up at plastic ****** fc is if he replaced plastic ****** greaseball tossermctwat.

Wouldn't take a lot I suppose. Doku just needs to score more than 5 and assist more than 4. Or something like that. 

He isn't sponsored by Gucci though...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on August 02, 2023, 10:09:41 AM
			

			

				Apparently they want some pace as an option...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on August 02, 2023, 10:23:59 AM
			

			

				We've been offered Kyle Walker-Peters for £20m according to a dude on Twitter X apparently.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on August 02, 2023, 10:24:34 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ozzjim on August 02, 2023, 07:10:35 AM


I'm not convinced Doku will end up at Man City, he would have to change almost everything that makes him exciting to fit in. If he does, it's a shame in many ways. Having said that, and watched us in pre season, I don't think he's right for us necessarily either. We have Diaby, Philogene, Bailey, Ramsey and Buendia who have all been used wide by Emery. Ramsey is the most productive, Diaby and Buendia will get a lot of game time. What we lack is a creative dictator almost. Goncalves would have been a brilliant addition. But that type. Not a tricky winger.

Can't think of anyone else that they've done that with.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on August 02, 2023, 10:29:11 AM
			

			

				Burnley after Ramsey A. for £10m? The world is going mad.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on August 02, 2023, 10:32:45 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on August 02, 2023, 10:23:59 AM
We've been offered Kyle Walker-Peters for £20m according to a dude on Twitter X apparently.

I've always quite liked him. Quite skilful and nippy, and I thought he tore us a new one when we played Spurs on our first game back in the Prem. Would be good competition for Matty Cash.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on August 02, 2023, 10:47:08 AM
			

			

				The best thing about walker-peters is that he's comfortable on both sides so we could then potentially move Digne on as well, who I like but he's a very for someone who is clearly 2nd choice. We could then hold on to Chambers instead as a utility defensive player.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on August 02, 2023, 11:05:02 AM
			

			

				Cash needs upgrading on, not  just competition.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on August 02, 2023, 11:06:13 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: steamer on August 01, 2023, 09:23:26 PM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on August 01, 2023, 11:54:05 AM
Not going to lie, I'd be pretty disappointed if Tammy is the 'top-class' striker that we're waiting on. 
Me to
Did not see so much of him during his time at VP as not so many of the games were televised.
But mates of long standing who saw him week in and out were not broken hearted when he left, common retort was , he did a great job, but not many were convinced he would step up.
We need a back up/alternative to Ollie.
I guess this is not something that has escaped the Management team.

Tammy was brilliant for us that season, there was a colossal drop off in quality to the likes of Wesley & Samatta the following season. But I think Watkins is a much better fit for the way we play. Tammy in my memory didn't get involved in the play as much as Ollie but was a better finisher. Excellent defender at set piece time too. Tammy's stats last season for Roma weren't great but he has the quality to bounce back either with Roma or elsewhere. 

Just think Archer would be a better backup to Ollie for this season. We aren't at the stage yet where we can spend a fortune on someone like Abraham to most likely sit on the bench a lot of the time. When we punted Ings last season, it was no surprise Watkins thrived thereafter as the main man. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on August 02, 2023, 11:34:37 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on August 02, 2023, 11:05:02 AM
Cash needs upgrading on, not  just competition.

You're so unfair to Metty Cesh, eamonn, makes me sad. :( 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on August 02, 2023, 11:36:12 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on August 02, 2023, 10:24:34 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 02, 2023, 07:10:35 AM


I'm not convinced Doku will end up at Man City, he would have to change almost everything that makes him exciting to fit in. If he does, it's a shame in many ways. Having said that, and watched us in pre season, I don't think he's right for us necessarily either. We have Diaby, Philogene, Bailey, Ramsey and Buendia who have all been used wide by Emery. Ramsey is the most productive, Diaby and Buendia will get a lot of game time. What we lack is a creative dictator almost. Goncalves would have been a brilliant addition. But that type. Not a tricky winger.

Can't think of anyone else that they've done that with.

Beat me to it but signing Grealish was as much about keeping him away from clubs in direct competition with them as much as anything. 

Walker-Peters I've thought for a while I could see happening. 

It would be good to send A Ramsey out on loan to a Premier League club, he very quickly looked too good for the Championship. 

A good season this year, maybe with CL football on offer, and we could get someone who's currently out of our reach like Gonclaves or Muani. Players like that become likelier later down the line as long as we continue our current trajectory. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on August 02, 2023, 11:38:20 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on August 02, 2023, 11:34:37 AM
Quote from: eamonn on August 02, 2023, 11:05:02 AM
Cash needs upgrading on, not  just competition.

You're so unfair to Metty Cesh, eamonn, makes me sad. :( 

Emery said himself that everybody was upgradeable so from that perspective, it's true. Same with Watkins. The better question is who is the higher priority to upgrade and I think most would say Olsen. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 02, 2023, 11:42:52 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on August 02, 2023, 11:34:37 AM
Quote from: eamonn on August 02, 2023, 11:05:02 AM
Cash needs upgrading on, not  just competition.

You're so unfair to Metty Cesh, eamonn, makes me sad. :( 

Yeah, it's verging on Polskaphobia at this stage. :(

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on August 02, 2023, 11:58:50 AM
			

			

				The Poles are a great bunch of lads and Metty is a likeable fella but...yeah, sorry, he remains the weak link for me. 

Happy to have him start 20 games a season if we're playing nearly 60 this season but I'd like someone stronger (positionally and final ball particularly) ahead of him. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 02, 2023, 12:32:31 PM
			

			

				@villareport
Unai Emery insists on signing Dani Ceballos — Villa plan to present a firm offer of €15m! 
@sport
 #avfc
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 02, 2023, 12:34:56 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on August 02, 2023, 12:32:31 PM
@villareport
Unai Emery insists on signing Dani Ceballos — Villa plan to present a firm offer of €15m! 
@sport
 #avfc

Signed a four year contract at Real last month. 

I didn't know that, it's come my way via googling.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 02, 2023, 12:35:38 PM
			

			

				But Unai insists.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 02, 2023, 12:36:02 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on August 02, 2023, 12:35:38 PM
But Unai insists.

God, I love him so much. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on August 02, 2023, 12:52:20 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 02, 2023, 12:34:56 PM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on August 02, 2023, 12:32:31 PM
@villareport
Unai Emery insists on signing Dani Ceballos — Villa plan to present a firm offer of €15m! 
@sport
 #avfc

Signed a four year contract at Real last month. 

I didn't know that, it's come my way via googling.

We were supposedly in for him as well as Asensio with proposals to take them on Bosmans. Asensio obviously joined PSG and Cabellos signed a new contract. 

That article points out that Madrid have since signed Bellingham and Guler, while they may have given him a contract so that they could sell him rather than lose him for nothing. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on August 02, 2023, 12:57:28 PM
			

			

				Ceballos is very close to 'onions' in Spanish (cebollas). 

He can play in centre mid with Doug. Then we'd have Luiz and Onions  8)


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on August 02, 2023, 12:58:29 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on August 02, 2023, 12:57:28 PM
Ceballos is very close to 'onions' in Spanish (cebollas). 

He can play in centre mid with Doug. Then we'd have Luiz and Onions  8)



I don't get it?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 02, 2023, 12:59:16 PM
			

			

				Daily Fail saying we're waiting on a response from Tyler Adams, which suggests we've put an offer on the table. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 02, 2023, 01:00:45 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on August 02, 2023, 12:58:29 PM
Quote from: Smirker on August 02, 2023, 12:57:28 PM
Ceballos is very close to 'onions' in Spanish (cebollas). 

He can play in centre mid with Doug. Then we'd have Luiz and Onions  8)



I don't get it?

Luiz (if you use a lot of imagination) sounds like cheese, maybe?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Hookeysmith on August 02, 2023, 01:05:13 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 02, 2023, 12:59:16 PM
Daily Fail saying we're waiting on a response from Tyler Adams, which suggests we've put an offer on the table. 

Is it a concrete one and based on money from our war chest :)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on August 02, 2023, 01:05:21 PM
			

			

				Oh, yes.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on August 02, 2023, 01:10:08 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on August 02, 2023, 01:00:45 PM
Quote from: Risso on August 02, 2023, 12:58:29 PM
Quote from: Smirker on August 02, 2023, 12:57:28 PM
Ceballos is very close to 'onions' in Spanish (cebollas). 

He can play in centre mid with Doug. Then we'd have Luiz and Onions  8)



I don't get it?

Luiz (if you use a lot of imagination) sounds like cheese, maybe?

Yes  :)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 02, 2023, 01:24:04 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: john2710 on August 01, 2023, 08:55:09 PM
Quote from: Ads on August 01, 2023, 08:15:03 PM
£10m with Ramsey junior? Not a chance.

Apparently Burnley are preparing a bid. 
Would be a good option on loan 

Agreed. Have a feeling Burnley will have a decent season the only issue is do we need AJ to make the the home grown numbers for Europe? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on August 02, 2023, 01:39:22 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on August 02, 2023, 01:10:08 PM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on August 02, 2023, 01:00:45 PM
Quote from: Risso on August 02, 2023, 12:58:29 PM
Quote from: Smirker on August 02, 2023, 12:57:28 PM
Ceballos is very close to 'onions' in Spanish (cebollas). 

He can play in centre mid with Doug. Then we'd have Luiz and Onions  8)



I don't get it?

Luiz (if you use a lot of imagination) sounds like cheese, maybe?

Yes  :)

Not Liver and Onions that I was trying to conjure from it... 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 02, 2023, 02:01:38 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on August 02, 2023, 01:10:08 PM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on August 02, 2023, 01:00:45 PM
Quote from: Risso on August 02, 2023, 12:58:29 PM
Quote from: Smirker on August 02, 2023, 12:57:28 PM
Ceballos is very close to 'onions' in Spanish (cebollas). 

He can play in centre mid with Doug. Then we'd have Luiz and Onions  8)



I don't get it?

Luiz (if you use a lot of imagination) sounds like cheese, maybe?

Yes  :)

Crisp passing?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: FatSam on August 02, 2023, 02:24:19 PM
			

			

				If only Richard Crisp had made it. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on August 02, 2023, 02:51:12 PM
			

			

				You don't say 'cheese and onions' though. It's 'cheese and onion'.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 02, 2023, 02:51:43 PM
			

			

				I would say the mixture to the pun has been, at best, mixed.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Baldy on August 02, 2023, 02:58:39 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 02, 2023, 02:51:43 PM
I would say the mixture to the pun has been, at best, mixed.

Crackers
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave P on August 02, 2023, 03:04:29 PM
			

			

				Shame we sold James Bree
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on August 02, 2023, 03:18:46 PM
			

			

				Thats ya lot.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on August 02, 2023, 03:20:41 PM
			

			

				Please, no more cheese puns. I camembert it.

(Stolen from Frasier). 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on August 02, 2023, 03:26:20 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on August 02, 2023, 02:51:12 PM
You don't say 'cheese and onions' though. It's 'cheese and onion'.



 8)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dick Edwards on August 02, 2023, 03:26:32 PM
			

			

				These cheese puns are beginning to grate.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on August 02, 2023, 03:28:38 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave P on August 02, 2023, 03:04:29 PM
Shame we sold James Bree

I laughed. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: mrfuse on August 02, 2023, 03:40:28 PM
			

			

				I’m getting feta up with these puns.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 02, 2023, 03:42:52 PM
			

			

				It's a disgrace, there are stiltons of tickets left for the Liverpool game. I am FUMING.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 02, 2023, 03:42:57 PM
			

			

				I wish we could be a bit more mature on here sometimes.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on August 02, 2023, 03:44:32 PM
			

			

				Fuck sake. Are we stil ton about this. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on August 02, 2023, 03:48:14 PM
			

			

				Another cheese punathon. You gouda be kidding me.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on August 02, 2023, 03:50:23 PM
			

			

				Cheddar.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 02, 2023, 03:52:11 PM
			

			

				*Logs in* fucking cheese puns. Again. Epoisses me off no end. *Logs off*
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on August 02, 2023, 03:56:14 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on August 02, 2023, 03:52:11 PM
*Logs in* fucking cheese puns. Again. Epoisses me off no end. *Logs off*

Never gets mold! 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 02, 2023, 04:03:53 PM
			

			

				Ricotta  stop doing this to our lovely thread , you just string me along Goutu stop 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Mister E on August 02, 2023, 04:06:39 PM
			

			

				Our transfer activity is like a swiss cheese - full of holes.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on August 02, 2023, 04:14:55 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Mister E on August 02, 2023, 04:06:39 PM
Our transfer activity is like a swiss cheese - full of holes.

You have to munster something better, that doesn't comte.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Border villan on August 02, 2023, 04:15:14 PM
			

			

				We have all Gouda let this go.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SaddVillan on August 02, 2023, 04:16:32 PM
			

			

				https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1686753729377189888?t=LkqasQUky4OzNT2G93Jtog&s=08

Finn Azaz, off back to Plymouth Argyle on a seson long loan


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on August 02, 2023, 04:17:16 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: SaddVillan on August 02, 2023, 04:16:32 PM
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1686753729377189888?t=LkqasQUky4OzNT2G93Jtog&s=08

Finn Azaz, off back to Plymouth Argyle on a seson long loan

Signed a new deal too, that's interesting.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ger Regan on August 02, 2023, 04:20:48 PM
			

			

				Being smarter with fringe players I'd imagine. Another good season in the championship and we'll be able to sell him for a healthy profit for FFP, rather than letting him leave on a free. Probably the hope with Barry as well (worst case).
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villatillidie25 on August 02, 2023, 04:21:32 PM
			

			

				seems sensible. goes back to somewhere he knows and is now playing at a higher level. puts him in the shop window for next summer when we might get a fee for him
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 02, 2023, 04:26:50 PM
			

			

				Where has Kesler gone?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: D.boy on August 02, 2023, 04:28:31 PM
			

			

				Loan to Plymouth


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 02, 2023, 04:33:06 PM
			

			

				I was thinking you could only loan one player from a particular club but of course AJ and Cam were both at Boro last season, so I don’t know where I got that from.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: D.boy on August 02, 2023, 04:33:36 PM
			

			

				I may have to visit Plymouth to see how they are getting on.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 02, 2023, 04:39:26 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 02, 2023, 04:33:06 PM
I was thinking you could only loan one player from a particular club but of course AJ and Cam were both at Boro last season, so I don’t know where I got that from.

PL clubs are restricted to one loanee per club. For example we couldn't take both Haaland and Grealish from Man Citeh. One or the other.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 02, 2023, 04:41:53 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 02, 2023, 04:39:26 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 02, 2023, 04:33:06 PM
I was thinking you could only loan one player from a particular club but of course AJ and Cam were both at Boro last season, so I don’t know where I got that from.

PL clubs are restricted to one loanee per club. For example we could take both Haaland and Grealish from Man Citeh. One or the other.

Gotcha.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on August 02, 2023, 04:58:27 PM
			

			

				I think it's 2 per club outside the premier league.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ads on August 02, 2023, 05:21:44 PM
			

			

				£25m for Tyler Adams going round the rumour mill.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on August 02, 2023, 05:23:03 PM
			

			

				Is he any good?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on August 02, 2023, 05:24:11 PM
			

			

				Doesn't he play in something of a stocked-up area for us?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on August 02, 2023, 05:29:26 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ads on August 02, 2023, 05:21:44 PM
£25m for Tyler Adams going round the rumour mill.

That one really picked up speed this afternoon. Sounds like he's deciding whether to stay at Leeds or move on and we're waiting to hear what he decides before exercising his release clause. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on August 02, 2023, 05:38:53 PM
			

			

				If he's not sure about that than he can stay at Leeds. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on August 02, 2023, 05:46:32 PM
			

			

				On BBC transfer page today:
Manchester City are keen on Rennes' 21-year-old Belgium winger Jeremy Doku as a replacement for Riyad Mahrez. (Fabrizio Romano)

And next paragraph:
Manchester City see Crystal Palace forward Michael Olise, 21, as an option to replace Mahrez. Palace manager Roy Hodgson says it will be difficult to keep the France Under-21 international this summer. (Athletic - subscription)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on August 02, 2023, 05:47:54 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Monty on August 02, 2023, 05:24:11 PM
Doesn't he play in something of a stocked-up area for us?

If true, I'd guess that donk would be on the way. Then we've got luiz/kam/tielemans and Adams for the middle 2 spots and mcginn is going to be playing further forward from now on
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on August 02, 2023, 05:49:10 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: coreyfeldman on August 02, 2023, 05:47:54 PM
Quote from: Monty on August 02, 2023, 05:24:11 PM
Doesn't he play in something of a stocked-up area for us?

If true, I'd guess that donk would be on the way. Then we've got luiz/kam/tielemans and Adams for the middle 2 spots and mcginn is going to be playing further forward from now on

Guess he's probably an upgrade on the Donk?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Anthenagin on August 02, 2023, 05:59:26 PM
			

			

				All the reviews if Adams I’ve seen have said that he was the silver lining of the cloud that was Leeds United last season. I think he was injured towards the end of the season and the implication was that losing him contributed to their demise. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Lastfootstamper on August 02, 2023, 05:59:36 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: olaftab on August 02, 2023, 05:46:32 PM
On BBC transfer page today:
Manchester City are keen on Rennes' 21-year-old Belgium winger Jeremy Doku as a replacement for Riyad Mahrez. (Fabrizio Romano)

And next paragraph:
Manchester City see Crystal Palace forward Michael Olise, 21, as an option to replace Mahrez. Palace manager Roy Hodgson says it will be difficult to keep the France Under-21 international this summer. (Athletic - subscription)
 

So they buy both, end up rarely playing either, and then moan about the house of Saud distorting the market. Mangetout.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on August 02, 2023, 05:59:42 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Monty on August 02, 2023, 05:49:10 PM
Quote from: coreyfeldman on August 02, 2023, 05:47:54 PM
Quote from: Monty on August 02, 2023, 05:24:11 PM
Doesn't he play in something of a stocked-up area for us?

If true, I'd guess that donk would be on the way. Then we've got luiz/kam/tielemans and Adams for the middle 2 spots and mcginn is going to be playing further forward from now on

Guess he's probably an upgrade on the Donk?

He's a better athlete than Dendoncker, but we can't keep losing height within the squad. I'd be surprised if this one goes through, but Adams is good in the air and can break up play. He was third in the league in Interceptions per 90 behind Casemiro and Paulinha, and Top 10 in percentage of tackles won. Moreover, he is in the top 30 percentile for progressive passing. 

On the flip side, he is one of the worst ball carrying midfielders in the league.. hardly even attempts it. 

I can see why we'd be linked.. a willing worker on the defensive end and gets rid of the ball quick, but isn't that Kamara's role?

(https://preview.redd.it/oc-visualization-on-pl-midfielder-performance-v0-po1y56uofdga1.png?width=1080&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=87b6e5bb94ce997343d09ea55e82470fb6ed2f44)

(https://preview.redd.it/oc-visualization-on-pl-midfielder-performance-v0-zbpzxh9fgdga1.png?width=1080&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=8a23a9e4139442369e362e82aeaf3f0f25c38db0)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on August 02, 2023, 06:38:15 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: villadelph on August 02, 2023, 05:59:42 PM
Quote from: Monty on August 02, 2023, 05:49:10 PM
Quote from: coreyfeldman on August 02, 2023, 05:47:54 PM
Quote from: Monty on August 02, 2023, 05:24:11 PM
Doesn't he play in something of a stocked-up area for us?

If true, I'd guess that donk would be on the way. Then we've got luiz/kam/tielemans and Adams for the middle 2 spots and mcginn is going to be playing further forward from now on

Guess he's probably an upgrade on the Donk?

He's a better athlete than Dendoncker, but we can't keep losing height within the squad. I'd be surprised if this one goes through, but Adams is good in the air and can break up play. He was third in the league in Interceptions per 90 behind Casemiro and Paulinha, and Top 10 in percentage of tackles won. Moreover, he is in the top 30 percentile for progressive passing. 

On the flip side, he is one of the worst ball carrying midfielders in the league.. hardly even attempts it. 

I can see why we'd be linked.. a willing worker on the defensive end and gets rid of the ball quick, but isn't that Kamara's role?

(https://preview.redd.it/oc-visualization-on-pl-midfielder-performance-v0-po1y56uofdga1.png?width=1080&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=87b6e5bb94ce997343d09ea55e82470fb6ed2f44)

(https://preview.redd.it/oc-visualization-on-pl-midfielder-performance-v0-zbpzxh9fgdga1.png?width=1080&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=8a23a9e4139442369e362e82aeaf3f0f25c38db0)

It is kamaras role but like the big kan says, he wants 2 options for each position, we could potentially be playing 60 games next season, and for longevity you definitely don't want players have to play more than 40 a season on top of international duty as well 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Mister E on August 02, 2023, 06:38:39 PM
			

			

				Dani Ceballos also getting linked in the X platform.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 02, 2023, 06:42:59 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: coreyfeldman on August 02, 2023, 06:38:15 PM
Quote from: villadelph on August 02, 2023, 05:59:42 PM
Quote from: Monty on August 02, 2023, 05:49:10 PM
Quote from: coreyfeldman on August 02, 2023, 05:47:54 PM
Quote from: Monty on August 02, 2023, 05:24:11 PM
Doesn't he play in something of a stocked-up area for us?

If true, I'd guess that donk would be on the way. Then we've got luiz/kam/tielemans and Adams for the middle 2 spots and mcginn is going to be playing further forward from now on

Guess he's probably an upgrade on the Donk?

He's a better athlete than Dendoncker, but we can't keep losing height within the squad. I'd be surprised if this one goes through, but Adams is good in the air and can break up play. He was third in the league in Interceptions per 90 behind Casemiro and Paulinha, and Top 10 in percentage of tackles won. Moreover, he is in the top 30 percentile for progressive passing. 

On the flip side, he is one of the worst ball carrying midfielders in the league.. hardly even attempts it. 

I can see why we'd be linked.. a willing worker on the defensive end and gets rid of the ball quick, but isn't that Kamara's role?

(https://preview.redd.it/oc-visualization-on-pl-midfielder-performance-v0-po1y56uofdga1.png?width=1080&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=87b6e5bb94ce997343d09ea55e82470fb6ed2f44)

(https://preview.redd.it/oc-visualization-on-pl-midfielder-performance-v0-zbpzxh9fgdga1.png?width=1080&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=8a23a9e4139442369e362e82aeaf3f0f25c38db0)

It is kamaras role but like the big kan says, he wants 2 options for each position, we could potentially be playing 60 games next season, and for longevity you definitely don't want players have to play more than 40 a season on top of international duty as well 

Absolutely this.

We need to stop thinking in terms of having one player for a certain role, or having one really good player and an untested back up.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 02, 2023, 06:43:52 PM
			

			

				Obviously one downside of signing Adams would be F-V telling us this is proof he was right about Chris Heck signing players.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 02, 2023, 06:59:41 PM
			

			

				On those graphs it is noticeable how the current villa midfielders are clustered on the better side of the 50% line.  A strength has been how interchangeable they are with Luiz/McGinn/Ramsey and even Kamara being excellent generalists.  There’s a risk adding specialists like Tyler but equally he may allow Buendia/Diaby etc to push further forward.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 02, 2023, 07:01:50 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Anthenagin on August 02, 2023, 05:59:26 PM
All the reviews if Adams I’ve seen have said that he was the silver lining of the cloud that was Leeds United last season. I think he was injured towards the end of the season and the implication was that losing him contributed to their demise. 

I heard very similar comments, that and Bamford missing a sitter. Villadelph has explained pretty much Adams' game, strengths and weaknesses. Adams can be summed up in one word, he's a destroyer. Not much gets past him. Other than he's limited, obviously in a poor Leeds side he took on more responsibility and tried to be more mobile but for a defensive midfielder whose job it is to break up play, he's very good.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on August 02, 2023, 07:32:42 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: olaftab on August 02, 2023, 05:38:53 PM
If he's not sure about that than he can stay at Leeds. 

I get the anti-Leeds sentiment but I respect his loyalty and that he might feel that he owes them something. Rather that than a player who's decided before his agent has even finished telling him of someone's interest in him. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on August 02, 2023, 07:37:29 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 02, 2023, 06:43:52 PM
Obviously one downside of signing Adams would be F-V telling us this is proof he was right about Chris Heck signing players.

Precisely. Incredible insight. Because of course we’ve never signed Americans before or Spaniards /Spanish speaking players for that matter. It’s all different now we have Emery, Monchi and Heck. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Vegas on August 02, 2023, 08:03:10 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 02, 2023, 07:37:29 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 02, 2023, 06:43:52 PM
Obviously one downside of signing Adams would be F-V telling us this is proof he was right about Chris Heck signing players.

Precisely. Incredible insight. Because of course we’ve never signed Americans before or Spaniards /Spanish speaking players for that matter. It’s all different now we have Emery, Monchi and Heck.

Except, he didn’t say it, and you’re getting angry about something you have imagined he might say.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on August 02, 2023, 08:10:36 PM
			

			

				Tyler Adams can also play right back, so that might be the cover wanted for Cash too.   He's a good player. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 02, 2023, 08:26:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on August 02, 2023, 08:10:36 PM
Tyler Adams can also play right back, so that might be the cover wanted for Cash too.   He's a good player.

Yeah, YouTube I know but he looks a very capable footballer. He looks like he’s good at battling / winning the ball back and he also looks like he has a turn of pace and an ability to beat his man. Assuming he can play defensive mid and right back and is still at an age where he’s likely to get better it’s a big yes from me.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 02, 2023, 08:29:48 PM
			

			

				I read that he has. A £20m relegation release clause so not a big risk.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villafirst on August 02, 2023, 08:37:40 PM
			

			

				Being linked again with Brennan Johnson. Forest rumoured to want around £40m according to reports. I think he's decent and very quick.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on August 02, 2023, 08:38:14 PM
			

			

				If Emery / Monchi want Adams i'm on board with this 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 02, 2023, 08:41:52 PM
			

			

				If we get Adams and Johnson in I’ll be delighted and it will have been one hell of a window.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on August 02, 2023, 08:51:46 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on August 02, 2023, 08:41:52 PM
If we get Adams and Johnson in I’ll be delighted and it will have been one hell of a window.
i'd prefer Gibbs White to Johnson 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on August 02, 2023, 09:14:51 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 02, 2023, 08:29:48 PM
I read that he has. A £20m relegation release clause so not a big risk.

£25m apparently. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 02, 2023, 09:19:08 PM
			

			

				£40mil has been their asking price for Johnson since the window opened. Brentford have had 2 bids rejected, the most recent one was £35mil. So we'd presumably have to go quite close to the 40 to get him. I'm not sure holding out to nearer the close of the window will make any difference because they don't have/want to sell him. 

We've been linked with him repeatedly all summer, and know how much it will take to get him, so I'm guessing he's one of those on our list but was a bit further down it than some of the players we haven't been able to get? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Des Little on August 02, 2023, 09:23:21 PM
			

			

				If we want Adams then offer them Duran on a loan deal as a sweetener. I think it would suit all parties.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 02, 2023, 09:58:30 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Des Little on August 02, 2023, 09:23:21 PM
If we want Adams then offer them Duran on a loan deal as a sweetener. I think it would suit all parties.

I’d go along with that.  How good would the window be with what we have plus:

OUT - Bailey, Donk and Duran on loan
IN - Brennan Johnson and Tyler Adams.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on August 02, 2023, 10:06:57 PM
			

			

				How close are we to FFP restrictions? I've seen a few PL clubs namechecked with it in reports this summer (Geordie Arabia and ManUre) but not us.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on August 02, 2023, 10:14:19 PM
			

			

				Adams seems like a good utility type player which could be very useful in a long season 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villan For Life on August 02, 2023, 10:14:34 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on August 02, 2023, 10:06:57 PM
How close are we to FFP restrictions? I've seen a few PL clubs namechecked with it in reports this summer (Geordie Arabia and ManUre) but not us.

Presumably the money that we got for you know who plus Chucky a year later offsets a lot of the spending.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on August 02, 2023, 10:20:51 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Villan For Life on August 02, 2023, 10:14:34 PM
Quote from: eamonn on August 02, 2023, 10:06:57 PM
How close are we to FFP restrictions? I've seen a few PL clubs namechecked with it in reports this summer (Geordie Arabia and ManUre) but not us.

Presumably the money that we got for you know who plus Chucky a year later offsets a lot of the spending.

Yup. Compare that to Newcastle, who until this summer have been spending £50m here, there and everywhere for years and offsetting it with a few million for Jonjo Shelvey.

Say what you like about Grealish, the whole situation was an FFP godsend. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 02, 2023, 10:22:12 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on August 02, 2023, 10:20:51 PM
Quote from: Villan For Life on August 02, 2023, 10:14:34 PM
Quote from: eamonn on August 02, 2023, 10:06:57 PM
How close are we to FFP restrictions? I've seen a few PL clubs namechecked with it in reports this summer (Geordie Arabia and ManUre) but not us.

Presumably the money that we got for you know who plus Chucky a year later offsets a lot of the spending.

Yup. Compare that to Newcastle, who until this summer have been spending £50m here, there and everywhere for years and offsetting it with a few million for Jonjo Shelvey.

Say what you like about Grealish, the whole situation was an FFP godsend. 

When was the last time Newcastle sold any homegrown player for reasonable money?

How would they even do it now if they tried? One of the Longstaffs?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on August 02, 2023, 10:38:58 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 02, 2023, 10:22:12 PM
Quote from: Dave on August 02, 2023, 10:20:51 PM
Quote from: Villan For Life on August 02, 2023, 10:14:34 PM
Quote from: eamonn on August 02, 2023, 10:06:57 PM
How close are we to FFP restrictions? I've seen a few PL clubs namechecked with it in reports this summer (Geordie Arabia and ManUre) but not us.

Presumably the money that we got for you know who plus Chucky a year later offsets a lot of the spending.

Yup. Compare that to Newcastle, who until this summer have been spending £50m here, there and everywhere for years and offsetting it with a few million for Jonjo Shelvey.

Say what you like about Grealish, the whole situation was an FFP godsend. 

When was the last time Newcastle sold any homegrown player for reasonable money?

How would they even do it now if they tried? One of the Longstaffs?

If "reasonable money" means seven figures, I reckon Adam Armstrong to Blackburn five years ago for £1.5m.

If it means eight figures, Andy Carroll to Liverpool twelve years ago.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: baddowvillans on August 02, 2023, 10:46:56 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Villafirst on August 02, 2023, 08:37:40 PM
Being linked again with Brennan Johnson. Forest rumoured to want around £40m according to reports. I think he's decent and very quick.

Didn't they already turn down a £40m offer?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on August 02, 2023, 11:33:29 PM
			

			

				Ferran Torres rumours still doing the rounds. Loan with an option to buy. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on August 03, 2023, 12:17:39 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 02, 2023, 07:01:50 PM
Quote from: Anthenagin on August 02, 2023, 05:59:26 PM
All the reviews if Adams I’ve seen have said that he was the silver lining of the cloud that was Leeds United last season. I think he was injured towards the end of the season and the implication was that losing him contributed to their demise. 

I heard very similar comments, that and Bamford missing a sitter. Villadelph has explained pretty much Adams' game, strengths and weaknesses. Adams can be summed up in one word, he's a destroyer. Not much gets past him. Other than he's limited, obviously in a poor Leeds side he took on more responsibility and tried to be more mobile but for a defensive midfielder whose job it is to break up play, he's very good.

True but while he might be a step up from Nakamba he's still not going to offer much on the ball. From memory Luiz has schooled him in recent games with Leeds, at the top level you have to be able to play a bit too. I don't think the Donk will ever be an Emery player really but he has his uses. Think he's a better player than given credit for but looks like he will have to prove it elsewhere. Thought at this stage Tim Iroegbunam would be ready for the first team squad but doesn't seem as if Emery agrees.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on August 03, 2023, 07:30:38 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: brontebilly on August 03, 2023, 12:17:39 AM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 02, 2023, 07:01:50 PM
Quote from: Anthenagin on August 02, 2023, 05:59:26 PM
All the reviews if Adams I’ve seen have said that he was the silver lining of the cloud that was Leeds United last season. I think he was injured towards the end of the season and the implication was that losing him contributed to their demise. 

I heard very similar comments, that and Bamford missing a sitter. Villadelph has explained pretty much Adams' game, strengths and weaknesses. Adams can be summed up in one word, he's a destroyer. Not much gets past him. Other than he's limited, obviously in a poor Leeds side he took on more responsibility and tried to be more mobile but for a defensive midfielder whose job it is to break up play, he's very good.

True but while he might be a step up from Nakamba he's still not going to offer much on the ball. From memory Luiz has schooled him in recent games with Leeds, at the top level you have to be able to play a bit too. I don't think the Donk will ever be an Emery player really but he has his uses. Think he's a better player than given credit for but looks like he will have to prove it elsewhere. Thought at this stage Tim Iroegbunam would be ready for the first team squad but doesn't seem as if Emery agrees.
I imagine Tim Iroegbunam needs another season in the Championship. Bit like Cameron Archer after his Preston loan, he's done well but he really needs a season where he looks like he's going to genuinely provide competition to the Belgian/French/Brazilian internationals at the club, rather than just look like a (very) good Championship standard player.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on August 03, 2023, 08:09:56 AM
			

			

				I do think Iroegbunam needs another loan. His injury/operation has meant he hasn't had chance to show what he can do during pre-season, so even if he was ready, he's probably missed the boat. He needs to get himself into a good Championship side fighting for promotion and really show what he can do in a team that is performing.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: sid1964 on August 03, 2023, 08:22:54 AM
			

			

				I read that Adams is injured and out until after the 1st international break in September 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Mister E on August 03, 2023, 08:36:08 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 02, 2023, 07:01:50 PM
Adams can be summed up in one word, he's a destroyer. Not much gets past him. Other than he's limited, obviously in a poor Leeds side he took on more responsibility and tried to be more mobile but for a defensive midfielder whose job it is to break up play, he's very good.
You've just described Marv. A good destroyer but not so smart with the ball at his feet.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gerrin on August 03, 2023, 09:44:50 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on August 02, 2023, 10:38:58 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 02, 2023, 10:22:12 PM
Quote from: Dave on August 02, 2023, 10:20:51 PM
Quote from: Villan For Life on August 02, 2023, 10:14:34 PM
Quote from: eamonn on August 02, 2023, 10:06:57 PM
How close are we to FFP restrictions? I've seen a few PL clubs namechecked with it in reports this summer (Geordie Arabia and ManUre) but not us.

Presumably the money that we got for you know who plus Chucky a year later offsets a lot of the spending.

Yup. Compare that to Newcastle, who until this summer have been spending £50m here, there and everywhere for years and offsetting it with a few million for Jonjo Shelvey.

Say what you like about Grealish, the whole situation was an FFP godsend. 

When was the last time Newcastle sold any homegrown player for reasonable money?

How would they even do it now if they tried? One of the Longstaffs?

If "reasonable money" means seven figures, I reckon Adam Armstrong to Blackburn five years ago for £1.5m.

If it means eight figures, Andy Carroll to Liverpool twelve years ago.

I've been wondering the same thing, at some point we're going to have to start selling a few players, hopefully not too soon, to balance the books. KSA have signed 5 players in excess of our record signing over the last 2 seasons, but they have champions league now, which should help them somewhat.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 03, 2023, 09:50:03 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Gerrin on August 03, 2023, 09:44:50 AM
I've been wondering the same thing, at some point we're going to have to start selling a few players, hopefully not too soon, to balance the books. KSA have signed 5 players in excess of our record signing over the last 2 seasons, but they have champions league now, which should help them somewhat.

I don't think our challenge will be balancing the books or anything FFP related, it'll be more about carrying players who aren't going to be contributing anything.

Although having said that, we didn't manage to fill the bench for a lot of matches last season, so can't be that much of a problem.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on August 03, 2023, 09:51:05 AM
			

			

				Tyler Adams would be pretty decent when we want to batten down the hatched or if Kamara gets injured.  But he's 5ft 9.  We're already a very small side, I really do think we could do with a big shithouse if we're strengthening this position.  Also, can we do with what we have for this season and see if Tim can step up next?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on August 03, 2023, 09:58:47 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on August 03, 2023, 09:51:05 AM
Tyler Adams would be pretty decent when we want to batten down the hatched or if Kamara gets injured.  But he's 5ft 9.  We're already a very small side, I really do think we could do with a big shithouse if we're strengthening this position.  Also, can we do with what we have for this season and see if Tim can step up next?

I'd rather get a couple of extra players in and potentially be struggling to fit them all in, than get a couple of injuries and have to rely on unproven kids.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AlexAlexCropley on August 03, 2023, 09:58:51 AM
			

			

				Can Forest hold out on Johnson much longer?  
 https://twitter.com/OP4C/status/1687023760220487680?t=yhzBJysw_Of_Ivs9XkbmkQ&s=19
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on August 03, 2023, 10:11:46 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on August 03, 2023, 09:58:47 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on August 03, 2023, 09:51:05 AM
Tyler Adams would be pretty decent when we want to batten down the hatched or if Kamara gets injured.  But he's 5ft 9.  We're already a very small side, I really do think we could do with a big shithouse if we're strengthening this position.  Also, can we do with what we have for this season and see if Tim can step up next?

I'd rather get a couple of extra players in and potentially be struggling to fit them all in, than get a couple of injuries and have to rely on unproven kids.
It's tempting if it's the right player.  But we do have Kamara and Donk as out and out DM's.  Then we have Luiz who can play that role with Teilemans or even McGinn alongside him.  We do already have a lot of options for the midfield two..
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on August 03, 2023, 10:52:26 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: AlexAlexCropley on August 03, 2023, 09:58:51 AM
Can Forest hold out on Johnson much longer?  
 https://twitter.com/OP4C/status/1687023760220487680?t=yhzBJysw_Of_Ivs9XkbmkQ&s=19

Sounds like Tony Xia levels of shite. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on August 03, 2023, 11:43:40 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on August 03, 2023, 10:52:26 AM
Quote from: AlexAlexCropley on August 03, 2023, 09:58:51 AM
Can Forest hold out on Johnson much longer?  
 https://twitter.com/OP4C/status/1687023760220487680?t=yhzBJysw_Of_Ivs9XkbmkQ&s=19

Sounds like Tony Xia levels of shite.

He's dodgy as fuck is Marinakis but gets away with it because Greece is highly corrupt. Has managed to wriggle himself out of heroin smuggling and match fixing charges
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on August 03, 2023, 01:02:01 PM
			

			

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				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on August 03, 2023, 01:57:39 PM
			

			

				Adams has got a bit more ability on the ball then he's given credit for. Even playing in a shit side like Leeds, his number of "key passes" according to Whoscored is pretty impressive. He's technically a lot better than Marv.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 03, 2023, 02:07:03 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on August 03, 2023, 01:57:39 PM
Adams has got a bit more ability on the ball then he's given credit for. Even playing in a shit side like Leeds, his number of "key passes" according to Whoscored is pretty impressive. He's technically a lot better than Marv.

He's also a lot faster and more mobile. I'd rather Unai saved the money and worked on Tim. I think he has more potential and can already do the job (other than play at right back) that Adams would do. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on August 03, 2023, 02:10:19 PM
			

			

				I think Iroegbunam probably needs another year on loan, somewhere half decent this time where we can see if he can be that sort of player.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on August 03, 2023, 02:12:04 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on August 03, 2023, 01:57:39 PM
Adams has got a bit more ability on the ball then he's given credit for. Even playing in a shit side like Leeds, his number of "key passes" according to Whoscored is pretty impressive. He's technically a lot better than Marv.

He is considerably better than Nakamba on multiple fronts. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 03, 2023, 02:15:30 PM
			

			

				When we talk about the likes of Archer or Tim being used instead of signings, we tend to forget, they have never done it in the top flight. Especiallly for Iroegbunam it would be a massive jump

I am OK with them being in the squad as options and being given the chance at some point to show they can play at that level, but I would really, really worry us relying on them doing it.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on August 03, 2023, 02:24:14 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 03, 2023, 02:15:30 PM
When we talk about the likes of Archer or Tim being used instead of signings, we tend to forget, they have never done it in the top flight. Especiallly for Iroegbunam it would be a massive jump

I am OK with them being in the squad as options and being given the chance at some point to show they can play at that level, but I would really, really worry us relying on them doing it.

Exactly. Which is why I'd like to see one more versatile forward player, who could play with, or deputise for Watkins depending on the situation. That should still give Archer opportunities in the first team as a sub etc.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 03, 2023, 02:33:26 PM
			

			

				I agree 

We might play 60 games this season. The contrast between that and what we are used to would be immense. 

We should be giving them chances when we want to, not because we have no other choice
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 03, 2023, 02:44:39 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 03, 2023, 02:15:30 PM
When we talk about the likes of Archer or Tim being used instead of signings, we tend to forget, they have never done it in the top flight. Especiallly for Iroegbunam it would be a massive jump

I am OK with them being in the squad as options and being given the chance at some point to show they can play at that level, but I would really, really worry us relying on them doing it.

Sure but if we were to sign Adams he'd be sitting on our bench as he's no where close to the quality of midfielders we currently have. His only advantage over Tim is experience, something he could gain here. I'm not against him going out on loan again, last season he was unlucky that QPR lost Beale and the wheels came off as he was pulling up trees before. Maybe Unai is looking for a quick fix and doesn't see or doesn't have the time to be developing our young talent.

As Risso said, it would be important if he does go out on loan we find him the right club, he'd walk into Adams' place at Leeds which wouldn't be a bad thing. He's still young but I feel his talent is way beyond his years and just needs an opportunity to prove it. Being injured pre-season has obviously done him no favours.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on August 03, 2023, 02:51:50 PM
			

			

				With the options we have I don't think we'd be relying on tim, just leaving a path. Up front is different and another option would be very useful.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villatillidie25 on August 03, 2023, 02:53:25 PM
			

			

				Newcastle agree deal for Livramento. £35m feels a bit steep but i'd have liked us to have been in for him
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on August 03, 2023, 03:25:20 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on August 03, 2023, 02:24:14 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 03, 2023, 02:15:30 PM
When we talk about the likes of Archer or Tim being used instead of signings, we tend to forget, they have never done it in the top flight. Especiallly for Iroegbunam it would be a massive jump

I am OK with them being in the squad as options and being given the chance at some point to show they can play at that level, but I would really, really worry us relying on them doing it.

Exactly. Which is why I'd like to see one more versatile forward player, who could play with, or deputise for Watkins depending on the situation. That should still give Archer opportunities in the first team as a sub etc.
But we're not really relying on them, we have Kamara, then Doug, then Donk to play the No6 role before we need to start worrying about putting to much pressure on Tim
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on August 03, 2023, 03:30:04 PM
			

			

				Maybe one for Other Football thread, but it might get more eyes here. Pretty great article by Aaron Ramsdale:

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/posts/aaron-ramsdale-premier-league-arsenal-soccer-england (https://www.theplayerstribune.com/posts/aaron-ramsdale-premier-league-arsenal-soccer-england)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 03, 2023, 03:35:23 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Villatillidie25 on August 03, 2023, 02:53:25 PM
Newcastle agree deal for Livramento. £35m feels a bit steep but i'd have liked us to have been in for him

Chelsea getting 50% of that fee, apparently.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Chris Smith on August 03, 2023, 03:41:11 PM
			

			

				I think we have to get used to seeing it as a 16 man game. If we sign Adams, just as an example, he might not be starting that many games but it could mean Kamara getting a rest after 65 minutes. Then when it comes to a European game when, again for example, we have a good lead from the first leg he’d be more likely to start.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 03, 2023, 03:43:53 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 03, 2023, 03:35:23 PM
Quote from: Villatillidie25 on August 03, 2023, 02:53:25 PM
Newcastle agree deal for Livramento. £35m feels a bit steep but i'd have liked us to have been in for him

Chelsea getting 50% of that fee, apparently.

Keeping it in the PIF family.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on August 03, 2023, 03:51:09 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Chris Smith on August 03, 2023, 03:41:11 PM
I think we have to get used to seeing it as a 16 man game. If we sign Adams, just as an example, he might not be starting that many games but it could mean Kamara getting a rest after 65 minutes. Then when it comes to a European game when, again for example, we have a good lead from the first leg he’d be more likely to start.

Or coming off the subs bench late in a game to close it out... 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on August 03, 2023, 03:52:48 PM
			

			

				I agree with the idea, but I'm not sure he's the right person for that job.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on August 03, 2023, 03:54:12 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pablo_picasso on August 03, 2023, 03:51:09 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on August 03, 2023, 03:41:11 PM
I think we have to get used to seeing it as a 16 man game. If we sign Adams, just as an example, he might not be starting that many games but it could mean Kamara getting a rest after 65 minutes. Then when it comes to a European game when, again for example, we have a good lead from the first leg he’d be more likely to start.

Or coming off the subs bench late in a game to close it out...
or try and rescue a point on a freezing cold afternoon in Kazakhstan 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dicedlam on August 03, 2023, 04:14:03 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 03, 2023, 02:15:30 PM
When we talk about the likes of Archer or Tim being used instead of signings, we tend to forget, they have never done it in the top flight. Especiallly for Iroegbunam it would be a massive jump

I am OK with them being in the squad as options and being given the chance at some point to show they can play at that level, but I would really, really worry us relying on them doing it.

Agree with this.

Just imagine if we were to be in the same situation as Arsenal right now, losing Jesus? (yes, they have Balogun and Nketiah who are both further ahead than Archer and Duran at this level).

I don't think we can rely on a couple of untried kids at this level. We definitely need back up, if not better than Watkins.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: The Man With A Stick on August 03, 2023, 04:22:02 PM
			

			

				Digne being linked with a move to Saudi on the Twitters.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RamboandBruno on August 03, 2023, 04:39:50 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on August 03, 2023, 03:30:04 PM
Maybe one for Other Football thread, but it might get more eyes here. Pretty great article by Aaron Ramsdale:

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/posts/aaron-ramsdale-premier-league-arsenal-soccer-england (https://www.theplayerstribune.com/posts/aaron-ramsdale-premier-league-arsenal-soccer-england)

That is a fantastic read, not exaggerating in saying its one of the best articles Ive read from a footballer. Thanks for posting Eamon. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 03, 2023, 05:18:05 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: RamboandBruno on August 03, 2023, 04:39:50 PM
Quote from: eamonn on August 03, 2023, 03:30:04 PM
Maybe one for Other Football thread, but it might get more eyes here. Pretty great article by Aaron Ramsdale:

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/posts/aaron-ramsdale-premier-league-arsenal-soccer-england (https://www.theplayerstribune.com/posts/aaron-ramsdale-premier-league-arsenal-soccer-england)

That is a fantastic read, not exaggerating in saying its one of the best articles Ive read from a footballer. Thanks for posting Eamon. 

Yes what a great read , thanks for posting 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on August 03, 2023, 05:29:50 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: RamboandBruno on August 03, 2023, 04:39:50 PM
Quote from: eamonn on August 03, 2023, 03:30:04 PM
Maybe one for Other Football thread, but it might get more eyes here. Pretty great article by Aaron Ramsdale:

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/posts/aaron-ramsdale-premier-league-arsenal-soccer-england (https://www.theplayerstribune.com/posts/aaron-ramsdale-premier-league-arsenal-soccer-england)

That is a fantastic read, not exaggerating in saying its one of the best articles Ive read from a footballer. Thanks for posting Eamon. 

What a fantastic article.  Thanks for posting.  Just a normal human being.  Same problems as the rest of us.  Really enjoyed that and respect him for being so open and honest.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Mister E on August 03, 2023, 05:34:29 PM
			

			

				Lest we forget, Tim started a Premier League game and did not look out of place - albeit against soon-to-be-relegated Burnley.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on August 03, 2023, 05:41:42 PM
			

			

				I agree Mister E.  He has height and physicality, which we need.  I'd like to keep him this season, let him watch Kamara and Luiz a lot and sneak the odd game in the cups and off league game when we are winning. Ideally, I'd like us to sign Kessie from barcelona but probably not going to happen.  Whatever, tim should stay with us this season. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on August 03, 2023, 05:45:48 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on August 03, 2023, 05:41:42 PM
Ideally, I'd like us to sign Kessie from barcelona but probably not going to happen.

Seems to be the next one off to Saudi Arabia.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ian. on August 03, 2023, 05:46:36 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on August 03, 2023, 03:30:04 PM
Maybe one for Other Football thread, but it might get more eyes here. Pretty great article by Aaron Ramsdale:

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/posts/aaron-ramsdale-premier-league-arsenal-soccer-england (https://www.theplayerstribune.com/posts/aaron-ramsdale-premier-league-arsenal-soccer-england)


That’s wonderful eamonn, thank you for sharing. What a great bloke he is and the message at the end is so important, not just in football but for everything and everywhere.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on August 03, 2023, 05:49:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on August 03, 2023, 05:45:48 PM
Quote from: Steve67 on August 03, 2023, 05:41:42 PM
Ideally, I'd like us to sign Kessie from barcelona but probably not going to happen.

Seems to be the next one off to Saudi Arabia.

Is he?  Shame, would be great for us.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 03, 2023, 05:55:48 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on August 03, 2023, 03:30:04 PM
Maybe one for Other Football thread, but it might get more eyes here. Pretty great article by Aaron Ramsdale:

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/posts/aaron-ramsdale-premier-league-arsenal-soccer-england (https://www.theplayerstribune.com/posts/aaron-ramsdale-premier-league-arsenal-soccer-england)

Lovely stuff.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: The Charmer on August 03, 2023, 07:00:15 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on August 03, 2023, 03:30:04 PM
Maybe one for Other Football thread, but it might get more eyes here. Pretty great article by Aaron Ramsdale:

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/posts/aaron-ramsdale-premier-league-arsenal-soccer-england (https://www.theplayerstribune.com/posts/aaron-ramsdale-premier-league-arsenal-soccer-england)
That really is a lovely, open piece of personal writing.

He mentions perspective and yet he knows he is guaranteed to get the morons piling-in about some of the personal stuff that he has been brave enough to share. You certainly need a very thick skin to be anywhere in the public eye these days.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: devilla on August 03, 2023, 07:45:14 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: The Charmer on August 03, 2023, 07:00:15 PM
Quote from: eamonn on August 03, 2023, 03:30:04 PM
Maybe one for Other Football thread, but it might get more eyes here. Pretty great article by Aaron Ramsdale:

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/posts/aaron-ramsdale-premier-league-arsenal-soccer-england (https://www.theplayerstribune.com/posts/aaron-ramsdale-premier-league-arsenal-soccer-england)
That really is a lovely, open piece of personal writing.

He mentions perspective and yet he knows he is guaranteed to get the morons piling-in about some of the personal stuff that he has been brave enough to share. You certainly need a very thick skin to be anywhere in the public eye these days.

An excellent article with some very important messages. He comes across as a really top bloke. Fair play to you Aaron.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on August 03, 2023, 08:01:11 PM
			

			

				Be interesting to hear his views if Arsenal replace him with Raya.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on August 03, 2023, 10:05:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: The Man With A Stick on August 03, 2023, 04:22:02 PM
Digne being linked with a move to Saudi on the Twitters.
Isn't it called eggs these days?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ian. on August 03, 2023, 10:10:26 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on August 03, 2023, 08:01:11 PM
Be interesting to hear his views if Arsenal replace him with Raya.

I’d reckon after his back catalogue of lows, he’ll just come back stronger, but after a period of being really pissed off and absolutely gutted!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on August 03, 2023, 10:19:10 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on August 03, 2023, 03:30:04 PM
Maybe one for Other Football thread, but it might get more eyes here. Pretty great article by Aaron Ramsdale:

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/posts/aaron-ramsdale-premier-league-arsenal-soccer-england (https://www.theplayerstribune.com/posts/aaron-ramsdale-premier-league-arsenal-soccer-england)
Thanks for posting that, great article.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 03, 2023, 11:49:29 PM
			

			

				Article linking us to striker Marcos Leonardo. It goes on to say Roma are in pole position to sign him, but we've been monitoring him. Unlikely there's anything in it, but interesting to see us being linked to strikers more recently. 

"#SerieA #Calciomercato | @OfficialASRoma, today is the decisive day for #MarcosLeonardo : the @SantosFC has to say whether or not he accepts the Giallorossi's offer. On the attacker there are also @AVFCOfficial and @NFFC, but the player has given priority to #Roma @SkySport.”
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: rougegorge on August 04, 2023, 08:59:24 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Villatillidie25 on August 03, 2023, 02:53:25 PM
Newcastle agree deal for Livramento. £35m feels a bit steep but i'd have liked us to have been in for him
Now it's quoted as £40m, which certainly seems crazy, but we know Newcastle have a crazy amount at their disposal. 

Southampton paid £5m for him in 2021 and his value has somehow gone up 8 fold after one season, followed by a season out with a really bad injury. 

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villatillidie25 on August 04, 2023, 09:03:11 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: rougegorge on August 04, 2023, 08:59:24 AM
Quote from: Villatillidie25 on August 03, 2023, 02:53:25 PM
Newcastle agree deal for Livramento. £35m feels a bit steep but i'd have liked us to have been in for him
Now it's quoted as £40m, which certainly seems crazy, but we know Newcastle have a crazy amount at their disposal. 

Southampton paid £5m for him in 2021 and his value has somehow gone up 8 fold after one season, followed by a season out with a really bad injury.

A lot right in all that. Think the price is also high because of Chelsea’s high sell on. Southampton are only getting half of the value so £17-£20m, which feels like a much closer valuation given he has a bad injury last year
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smithy on August 04, 2023, 09:10:23 AM
			

			

				I remember when he was doing well for Southampton and wondering if KKH would be our own version of a young flying right-back in a year or so.  He seems to have disappeared for now?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 04, 2023, 09:32:57 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smithy on August 04, 2023, 09:10:23 AM
I remember when he was doing well for Southampton and wondering if KKH would be our own version of a young flying right-back in a year or so.  He seems to have disappeared for now?

Hasn't he gone to Plymouth on loan?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 04, 2023, 09:55:11 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 04, 2023, 09:32:57 AM
Quote from: Smithy on August 04, 2023, 09:10:23 AM
I remember when he was doing well for Southampton and wondering if KKH would be our own version of a young flying right-back in a year or so.  He seems to have disappeared for now?

Hasn't he gone to Plymouth on loan?

Yes. Still hopeful for him after his performance v Man City that time.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on August 04, 2023, 11:02:24 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 04, 2023, 09:55:11 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 04, 2023, 09:32:57 AM
Quote from: Smithy on August 04, 2023, 09:10:23 AM
I remember when he was doing well for Southampton and wondering if KKH would be our own version of a young flying right-back in a year or so.  He seems to have disappeared for now?

Hasn't he gone to Plymouth on loan?

Yes. Still hopeful for him after his performance v Man City that time.
I thought there was a chance he'd be the best of the lot from that age group.  His development has been disappointing, but I've still got my fingers crossed for him.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 04, 2023, 11:04:14 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on August 04, 2023, 11:02:24 AM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 04, 2023, 09:55:11 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 04, 2023, 09:32:57 AM
Quote from: Smithy on August 04, 2023, 09:10:23 AM
I remember when he was doing well for Southampton and wondering if KKH would be our own version of a young flying right-back in a year or so.  He seems to have disappeared for now?

Hasn't he gone to Plymouth on loan?

Yes. Still hopeful for him after his performance v Man City that time.
I thought there was a chance he'd be the best of the lot from that age group.  His development has been disappointing, but I've still got my fingers crossed for him.

He's only 20, mind.

And let's not forget, The Blessed Cameron had an awful spell at Solihull Moors.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV82EC on August 04, 2023, 11:07:51 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on August 04, 2023, 11:02:24 AM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 04, 2023, 09:55:11 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 04, 2023, 09:32:57 AM
Quote from: Smithy on August 04, 2023, 09:10:23 AM
I remember when he was doing well for Southampton and wondering if KKH would be our own version of a young flying right-back in a year or so.  He seems to have disappeared for now?

Hasn't he gone to Plymouth on loan?

Yes. Still hopeful for him after his performance v Man City that time.
I thought there was a chance he'd be the best of the lot from that age group.  His development has been disappointing, but I've still got my fingers crossed for him.

He was unlucky with two really shit loans last year, Huddersfield were a car crash with useless Managers and I get the impression we pulled him out as it was shite. Unsure what happened at Franchise FC but weren’t they absolute cack last season.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on August 04, 2023, 11:08:31 AM
			

			

				With Tielemans probably valued at £30m+ we've signed the equivalent of £90-£100m worth of players this summer and it looks like we've done some good business.  I'm a bit sceptical about Torres defensively, but we'll see.

But I'm still nervous about right back and centre forward.  I saw estimates of us being able to spend £100-£150m.  Are we happy or would you be disappointed if we don't get any more in?  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 04, 2023, 11:18:22 AM
			

			

				I'd like another option up front and a right back. And an Olsen replacement, but don't think UE agrees.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 04, 2023, 11:20:33 AM
			

			

				Is Jed Spence still at Spurs? Wonder if he'll get any game time under their new manager.


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RamboandBruno on August 04, 2023, 11:26:45 AM
			

			

				Id be comfortable with what we’ve got, although wouldn’t turn done another forward and goalie. Not to fussed about the full back situation, think chambers can do a cover job. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 04, 2023, 11:36:51 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulTheVillan on August 04, 2023, 11:20:33 AM
Is Jed Spence still at Spurs? Wonder if he'll get any game time under their new manager.

Djed's djead, baby, Djed's djead.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 04, 2023, 11:47:25 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 04, 2023, 11:36:51 AM
Quote from: PaulTheVillan on August 04, 2023, 11:20:33 AM
Is Jed Spence still at Spurs? Wonder if he'll get any game time under their new manager.

Djed's djead, baby, Djed's djead.

He's dead? I missed that
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on August 04, 2023, 11:50:30 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: RamboandBruno on August 04, 2023, 11:26:45 AM
Id be comfortable with what we’ve got, although wouldn’t turn done another forward and goalie. Not to fussed about the full back situation, think chambers can do a cover job. 

Same here. If we did get another full back in I'd prefer it to be someone who can cover another 1-2 positions as well because I suspect we'd let Chambers go in that scenario and his versatility is useful and undervalued. Having a few players in the squad that can do 3-4 jobs competently without necessarily being capable of regular starts in all of of them is really useful over a long season.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 04, 2023, 11:54:10 AM
			

			

				I reckon it’s one in, one out now with each new guy needing to be an upgrade otherwise it’s not worth it. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on August 04, 2023, 12:08:31 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 04, 2023, 11:54:10 AM
I reckon it’s one in, one out now with each new guy needing to be an upgrade otherwise it’s not worth it. 

I agree except that I think there's still 1 'free' spot up front in the squad.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on August 04, 2023, 12:57:11 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on August 04, 2023, 11:02:24 AM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 04, 2023, 09:55:11 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 04, 2023, 09:32:57 AM
Quote from: Smithy on August 04, 2023, 09:10:23 AM
I remember when he was doing well for Southampton and wondering if KKH would be our own version of a young flying right-back in a year or so.  He seems to have disappeared for now?

Hasn't he gone to Plymouth on loan?

Yes. Still hopeful for him after his performance v Man City that time.
I thought there was a chance he'd be the best of the lot from that age group.  His development has been disappointing, but I've still got my fingers crossed for him.

Development wise, he has been fine as a player. 

And his pace will always count for something. 

His problem was getting a bit of a Billy big bollocks attitude during his last loan. 

Don't get me wrong, Huddersfield were a bit of a shit show & even had him playing LW in some games, but when he came back, I heard he was relegated to the reserves to humble him a little. 

I think without the attitude, he would be competing in the squad for that attacking RWB slot instead of loaned to Plymouth.

Hopefully he has learned from the experience though...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on August 04, 2023, 01:09:53 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pablo_picasso on August 04, 2023, 12:57:11 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on August 04, 2023, 11:02:24 AM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 04, 2023, 09:55:11 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 04, 2023, 09:32:57 AM
Quote from: Smithy on August 04, 2023, 09:10:23 AM
I remember when he was doing well for Southampton and wondering if KKH would be our own version of a young flying right-back in a year or so.  He seems to have disappeared for now?

Hasn't he gone to Plymouth on loan?

Yes. Still hopeful for him after his performance v Man City that time.
I thought there was a chance he'd be the best of the lot from that age group.  His development has been disappointing, but I've still got my fingers crossed for him.

Development wise, he has been fine as a player. 

And his pace will always count for something. 

His problem was getting a bit of a Billy big bollocks attitude during his last loan. 

Don't get me wrong, Huddersfield were a bit of a shit show & even had him playing LW in some games, but when he came back, I heard he was relegated to the reserves to humble him a little. 

I think without the attitude, he would be competing in the squad for that attacking RWB slot instead of loaned to Plymouth.

Hopefully he has learned from the experience though...

I'd heard (through 2nd or 3rd hand info to be fair) that he came back thinking he'd blown his chance and that he was angry that Huddersfield had messed him about after promising he'd be a regular starter when he signed. I can see how some would shape that to be billy big bollocks and think he'd need to be shot down a bit but the impression I got was that he felt he'd been let down and had let his frustration get to him.

My mate is a huge fan of KKH though and has been raving about him since he was about 13-14 so he might be trying to see the best of it. He is sure though that the club see this next loan as massively important and that if it doesn't go well it'll probably be the end for him with us.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smithy on August 04, 2023, 01:24:09 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV82EC on August 04, 2023, 11:07:51 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on August 04, 2023, 11:02:24 AM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 04, 2023, 09:55:11 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 04, 2023, 09:32:57 AM
Quote from: Smithy on August 04, 2023, 09:10:23 AM
I remember when he was doing well for Southampton and wondering if KKH would be our own version of a young flying right-back in a year or so.  He seems to have disappeared for now?

Hasn't he gone to Plymouth on loan?

Yes. Still hopeful for him after his performance v Man City that time.
I thought there was a chance he'd be the best of the lot from that age group.  His development has been disappointing, but I've still got my fingers crossed for him.

He was unlucky with two really shit loans last year, Huddersfield were a car crash with useless Managers and I get the impression we pulled him out as it was shite. Unsure what happened at Franchise FC but weren’t they absolute cack last season.

With him and Finn Azaz both at Plymouth this year, it will be a result to look out for each weekend.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on August 04, 2023, 01:28:50 PM
			

			

				Argyle are away at Bristol City in mid-September, might take myself along.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on August 04, 2023, 01:31:11 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on August 04, 2023, 12:08:31 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 04, 2023, 11:54:10 AM
I reckon it’s one in, one out now with each new guy needing to be an upgrade otherwise it’s not worth it. 

I agree except that I think there's still 1 'free' spot up front in the squad.

Agree that we need another striker, but also think we still need cover at RB (who could potentially fill in at LB if needed while Moreno is recovering).  

Looks like they are happy with Olsen as back-up to Martinez so we won't see a replacement coming in.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on August 04, 2023, 01:31:42 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on August 03, 2023, 03:30:04 PM
Maybe one for Other Football thread, but it might get more eyes here. Pretty great article by Aaron Ramsdale:

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/posts/aaron-ramsdale-premier-league-arsenal-soccer-england (https://www.theplayerstribune.com/posts/aaron-ramsdale-premier-league-arsenal-soccer-england)

The little shits on Twitter who tag players and abuse them/send them tweets about how they're shit or not wanted, annoy me way more than it should. What makes them think it's OK to do that, or that the person on the other end isn't a human being? 

I love when you see stories of famous athletes who have had enough and they go round to the tweeter's house and predictably they absolutely shit themselves.

Curtis Woodhouse did it and the troll was made to go on TV and apologise. I think Anthony Joshua did it too. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on August 04, 2023, 02:16:08 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulTheVillan on August 04, 2023, 11:47:25 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 04, 2023, 11:36:51 AM
Quote from: PaulTheVillan on August 04, 2023, 11:20:33 AM
Is Jed Spence still at Spurs? Wonder if he'll get any game time under their new manager.

Djed's djead, baby, Djed's djead.

He's dead? I missed that
Found dead in a basement.  Looked like a couple of hard pipe-hittin' mfckers had gone to town on him with a pair of pliers and a blow torch.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on August 04, 2023, 02:26:37 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on August 04, 2023, 01:09:53 PM
I'd heard (through 2nd or 3rd hand info to be fair) that he came back thinking he'd blown his chance and that he was angry that Huddersfield had messed him about after promising he'd be a regular starter when he signed. I can see how some would shape that to be billy big bollocks and think he'd need to be shot down a bit but the impression I got was that he felt he'd been let down and had let his frustration get to him.

My mate is a huge fan of KKH though and has been raving about him since he was about 13-14 so he might be trying to see the best of it. He is sure though that the club see this next loan as massively important and that if it doesn't go well it'll probably be the end for him with us.

That makes a lot of sense tbf...

Fingers crossed he nails the Plymouth loan... 👍
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rory on August 04, 2023, 03:47:47 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on August 04, 2023, 02:16:08 PM
Quote from: PaulTheVillan on August 04, 2023, 11:47:25 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 04, 2023, 11:36:51 AM
Quote from: PaulTheVillan on August 04, 2023, 11:20:33 AM
Is Jed Spence still at Spurs? Wonder if he'll get any game time under their new manager.

Djed's djead, baby, Djed's djead.

He's dead? I missed that
Found dead in a basement.  Looked like a couple of hard pipe-hittin' mfckers had gone to town on him with a pair of pliers and a blow torch.

Not the word used, get it right 😉
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 04, 2023, 04:22:12 PM
			

			

				Still think Brennan Johnson is the one we’re waiting on

Forest struggling to pay players bonus’s due, they have spent loads, about to spend more so…………
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on August 04, 2023, 04:39:25 PM
			

			

				I read about Forest not making certain payments and it's certainly a red flag. I think they'll have to sell him and then we'll see. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on August 04, 2023, 04:49:29 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 04, 2023, 04:22:12 PM
Still think Brennan Johnson is the one we’re waiting on

Forest struggling to pay players bonus’s due, they have spent loads, about to spend more so…………

I hope we get him, he would really add some additional pace and can play anywhere across that front line.  Has great pace and would scare opponents with him and Diaby in the line-up.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Astnor on August 04, 2023, 05:14:42 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on August 04, 2023, 04:49:29 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 04, 2023, 04:22:12 PM
Still think Brennan Johnson is the one we’re waiting on

Forest struggling to pay players bonus’s due, they have spent loads, about to spend more so…………

I hope we get him, he would really add some additional pace and can play anywhere across that front line.  Has great pace and would scare opponents with him and Diaby in the line-up. 
I have the feeling that we / Emery is not interested in him cause his not what we need/ his not good enough for us ish (based on nothing else than a feeling (after been reading some about him recently because of the links)).
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: DrGonzo on August 04, 2023, 05:37:50 PM
			

			

				Alan Nixon suggesting we may sell Aaron Ramsey to Burnley for "a guaranteed £12m". Lolzor.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on August 04, 2023, 05:47:29 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: DrGonzo on August 04, 2023, 05:37:50 PM
Alan Nixon suggesting we may sell Aaron Ramsey to Burnley for "a guaranteed £12m". Lolzor. 
nonsense
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 04, 2023, 05:55:02 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: DrGonzo on August 04, 2023, 05:37:50 PM
Alan Nixon suggesting we may sell Aaron Ramsey to Burnley for "a guaranteed £12m". Lolzor. 

He has said Monchi wants a buyback clause though, and Burnley aren't liking that. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on August 04, 2023, 06:00:41 PM
			

			

				£12m WITH buyback clause and I can see it happening. Otherwise, loan. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 04, 2023, 06:34:38 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: DrGonzo on August 04, 2023, 05:37:50 PM
Alan Nixon suggesting we may sell Aaron Ramsey to Burnley for "a guaranteed £12m". Lolzor.  

Hopefully he knows fuck all 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Flamingo Lane on August 04, 2023, 07:11:09 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on August 04, 2023, 04:49:29 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 04, 2023, 04:22:12 PM
Still think Brennan Johnson is the one we’re waiting on

Forest struggling to pay players bonus’s due, they have spent loads, about to spend more so…………

I hope we get him, he would really add some additional pace and can play anywhere across that front line.  Has great pace and would scare opponents with him and Diaby in the line-up. 

I don't share that view of Johnson. As a winger he's a good player but whenever I've seen him played in a more central position he's looked pretty lost.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: mrfuse on August 04, 2023, 07:42:38 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Flamingo Lane on August 04, 2023, 07:11:09 PM
Quote from: Steve67 on August 04, 2023, 04:49:29 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 04, 2023, 04:22:12 PM
Still think Brennan Johnson is the one we’re waiting on

Forest struggling to pay players bonus’s due, they have spent loads, about to spend more so…………

I hope we get him, he would really add some additional pace and can play anywhere across that front line.  Has great pace and would scare opponents with him and Diaby in the line-up. 

I don't share that view of Johnson. As a winger he's a good player but whenever I've seen him played in a more central position he's looked pretty lost.

But you're forgetting the emery factor.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on August 04, 2023, 08:13:48 PM
			

			

				Why would we sell him - he seems like a top talent
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on August 04, 2023, 08:18:42 PM
			

			

				also - for 10m, a) hell be worth at least that much this time next year b) are we actually going to get anything better than that?  Duran - 20m and looks lost in headlights
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on August 04, 2023, 09:22:16 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on August 04, 2023, 06:00:41 PM
£12m WITH buyback clause and I can see it happening. Otherwise, loan.

I would be furious...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: sid1964 on August 04, 2023, 10:09:33 PM
			

			

				If you are furious- speak to Unai or Monchi - and let your feelings known to them 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 04, 2023, 10:11:13 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pablo_picasso on August 04, 2023, 09:22:16 PM
Quote from: OCD on August 04, 2023, 06:00:41 PM
£12m WITH buyback clause and I can see it happening. Otherwise, loan.

I would be furious...

So furious that you would label it.....a disgrace?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 04, 2023, 11:12:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Beard82 on August 04, 2023, 08:13:48 PM
Why would we sell him - he seems like a top talent

FFP gold, though, as a home grown player.

Yeah, I think he has loads of talent as well, but then again, so do a lot of players at that age.

It's difficult, but I honestly think the added value of a home grown product to FFP constraints makes it a more complicated decision.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on August 04, 2023, 11:20:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 04, 2023, 11:12:18 PM
Quote from: Beard82 on August 04, 2023, 08:13:48 PM
Why would we sell him - he seems like a top talent

FFP gold, though, as a home grown player.

Yeah, I think he has loads of talent as well, but then again, so do a lot of players at that age.

It's difficult, but I honestly think the added value of a home grown product to FFP constraints makes it a more complicated decision.

Yup. We'd probably get £50m for his older brother right now. And that's because he's really good, so we shouldn't try and sell him.

But from an FFP perspective, it sorts the spreadsheets out for at least two years, while we bring through all the other youth that we're clearly planning on selling at some point for the same reason.

It's sad, but we're going to see a lot of "one of us, next Gary Shaws" sold in the years to come, and for some of them it won't be because they're not good enough. 

To look at it from another club's perspective, there's a reason that to sort their horrible finances out,  Forest will end up selling Brennan Johnson rather than Gibbs-White.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on August 04, 2023, 11:26:20 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pablo_picasso on August 04, 2023, 09:22:16 PM
Quote from: OCD on August 04, 2023, 06:00:41 PM
£12m WITH buyback clause and I can see it happening. Otherwise, loan.

I would be furious...
It must be a wind up. £12m might get you one leg. Loan but I'd prefer to a German club 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Matt C on August 04, 2023, 11:36:49 PM
			

			

				Get a reasonable buy-back clause in there and it’s basically a loan anyway. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on August 04, 2023, 11:41:35 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Matt C on August 04, 2023, 11:36:49 PM
Get a reasonable buy-back clause in there and it’s basically a loan anyway. 

Three year contract and he can come back to Villa afterwards.  Will be ready by then and can learn from Kompany in the meantime.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on August 04, 2023, 11:46:01 PM
			

			

				The risk is what damage Burnley teach him. I'd rather he stays here and learns from The Sultan 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john2710 on August 04, 2023, 11:49:09 PM
			

			

				Is there actually any reliable source that Burnley are interested or that we are prepared to do business? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on August 05, 2023, 12:18:00 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: john2710 on August 04, 2023, 11:49:09 PM
Is there actually any reliable source that Burnley are interested or that we are prepared to do business?
no, some Sun hack.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 05, 2023, 12:24:46 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on August 04, 2023, 11:20:17 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 04, 2023, 11:12:18 PM
Quote from: Beard82 on August 04, 2023, 08:13:48 PM
Why would we sell him - he seems like a top talent

FFP gold, though, as a home grown player.

Yeah, I think he has loads of talent as well, but then again, so do a lot of players at that age.

It's difficult, but I honestly think the added value of a home grown product to FFP constraints makes it a more complicated decision.

Yup. We'd probably get £50m for his older brother right now. And that's because he's really good, so we shouldn't try and sell him.

But from an FFP perspective, it sorts the spreadsheets out for at least two years, while we bring through all the other youth that we're clearly planning on selling at some point for the same reason.

It's sad, but we're going to see a lot of "one of us, next Gary Shaws" sold in the years to come, and for some of them it won't be because they're not good enough. 

To look at it from another club's perspective, there's a reason that to sort their horrible finances out, there's a reason that Forest will end up selling Brennan Johnson rather than Gibbs-White.

Yep.

Also, and I know how cut-throat this will sound, we say things about how we wouldnt want to buy players who stand in the way of development of our home-grown players.

We need to get past that. If the home grown players are good enough, they'll break through and claim a place.

We're not here to grow and improve local lads, we're here to win matches and silverware.

It is great if we can do so with lots of home grown players, but we're - as you said - going to have to get a lot less emotional and more business like about that sort of thing.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on August 05, 2023, 01:08:12 AM
			

			

				We haven't really seen him yet. When we say our midfield is the strongest it's been in years, then how is an academy product going to break through?

I'd keep him, because if we are to play as many games as we hope, then there needs to be a squad, including homegrown players. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on August 05, 2023, 05:40:10 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ChicagoLion on August 05, 2023, 12:18:00 AM
Quote from: john2710 on August 04, 2023, 11:49:09 PM
Is there actually any reliable source that Burnley are interested or that we are prepared to do business?
no, some Sun hack.

Classic H&V hysteria.

He's not going for 12 mil, don't be daft
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on August 05, 2023, 06:38:36 AM
			

			

				I can't see us selling ARamz for £12m, buyback clause or otherwise. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on August 05, 2023, 08:43:07 AM
			

			

				Just on buy back clauses, has anybody ever invoked the clause to buy a player back?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on August 05, 2023, 08:54:52 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on August 05, 2023, 08:43:07 AM
Just on buy back clauses, has anybody ever invoked the clause to buy a player back?

Yes, Xavi Simons by PSG.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 05, 2023, 08:55:04 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 05, 2023, 12:24:46 AM
Quote from: Dave on August 04, 2023, 11:20:17 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 04, 2023, 11:12:18 PM
Quote from: Beard82 on August 04, 2023, 08:13:48 PM
Why would we sell him - he seems like a top talent

FFP gold, though, as a home grown player.

Yeah, I think he has loads of talent as well, but then again, so do a lot of players at that age.

It's difficult, but I honestly think the added value of a home grown product to FFP constraints makes it a more complicated decision.

Yup. We'd probably get £50m for his older brother right now. And that's because he's really good, so we shouldn't try and sell him.

But from an FFP perspective, it sorts the spreadsheets out for at least two years, while we bring through all the other youth that we're clearly planning on selling at some point for the same reason.

It's sad, but we're going to see a lot of "one of us, next Gary Shaws" sold in the years to come, and for some of them it won't be because they're not good enough. 

To look at it from another club's perspective, there's a reason that to sort their horrible finances out, there's a reason that Forest will end up selling Brennan Johnson rather than Gibbs-White.

Yep.

Also, and I know how cut-throat this will sound, we say things about how we wouldnt want to buy players who stand in the way of development of our home-grown players.

We need to get past that. If the home grown players are good enough, they'll break through and claim a place.

We're not here to grow and improve local lads, we're here to win matches and silverware.

It is great if we can do so with lots of home grown players, but we're - as you said - going to have to get a lot less emotional and more business like about that sort of thing.

Clearly you’re not wrong with that objective Paulie but how is that objective different from most clubs.  [Arteta mode on] We need to find a process that differentiates ourselves from other clubs and being a champion of youth development is a more realistic strategy than out-spending Man City or having better South American scouts than Brighton.  If that is our USP then we need to start living it [Arteta mode off].
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on August 05, 2023, 09:18:00 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on August 05, 2023, 08:43:07 AM
Just on buy back clauses, has anybody ever invoked the clause to buy a player back?

Dougie decided to play piss poor for a bit to stop Man City buying him back
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: DrGonzo on August 05, 2023, 09:21:04 AM
			

			

				Silly season is upon us, after a couple of decent pre season performances Liverpool have "held talks" with Philogene's agent.  There's literally no evidence in the article.  It's interesting to see, it shows other clubs are concerned by our progress.  We haven't had attention like this for how many seasons now?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on August 05, 2023, 09:44:14 AM
			

			

				It is silly season and we have to remember that we are on the up and the London centric media will see us as a threat to their darling Spurs, Arsenal & Chelsea so we can expect plenty of silly rumours till the end of the window….I fully expect them to try and unsettle Martinez at some point in the next 3 weeks.

As others have said selling youth products is great for FFP, it’s for the club to recognise the ones to keep, the ones to sell and the ones to put buyback clauses on…Manchester City & Chelsea have done this well from the position of throwing gazillions at young players initially 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ads on August 05, 2023, 10:21:09 AM
			

			

				If there's a buy back on Ramsey, then it's just a loan, where we get to offset £12m entirely against our spending thus far. If he's as good as his older brother, we get him back. If not, oh well.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on August 05, 2023, 10:23:27 AM
			

			

				But 12 million is nothing - what is that going to allow us to do that we can’t do now.  Buy Tyler adams?  Duran cost 20m and looks useless:  

I get the theory - it just doesn’t seem good business to me. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: exigo on August 05, 2023, 10:37:05 AM
			

			

				It's not a £12m loan if the buy-back clause is £30m. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 05, 2023, 10:40:56 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 05, 2023, 08:55:04 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 05, 2023, 12:24:46 AM
Quote from: Dave on August 04, 2023, 11:20:17 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 04, 2023, 11:12:18 PM
Quote from: Beard82 on August 04, 2023, 08:13:48 PM
Why would we sell him - he seems like a top talent

FFP gold, though, as a home grown player.

Yeah, I think he has loads of talent as well, but then again, so do a lot of players at that age.

It's difficult, but I honestly think the added value of a home grown product to FFP constraints makes it a more complicated decision.

Yup. We'd probably get £50m for his older brother right now. And that's because he's really good, so we shouldn't try and sell him.

But from an FFP perspective, it sorts the spreadsheets out for at least two years, while we bring through all the other youth that we're clearly planning on selling at some point for the same reason.

It's sad, but we're going to see a lot of "one of us, next Gary Shaws" sold in the years to come, and for some of them it won't be because they're not good enough. 

To look at it from another club's perspective, there's a reason that to sort their horrible finances out, there's a reason that Forest will end up selling Brennan Johnson rather than Gibbs-White.

Yep.

Also, and I know how cut-throat this will sound, we say things about how we wouldnt want to buy players who stand in the way of development of our home-grown players.

We need to get past that. If the home grown players are good enough, they'll break through and claim a place.

We're not here to grow and improve local lads, we're here to win matches and silverware.

It is great if we can do so with lots of home grown players, but we're - as you said - going to have to get a lot less emotional and more business like about that sort of thing.

Clearly you’re not wrong with that objective Paulie but how is that objective different from most clubs.  [Arteta mode on] We need to find a process that differentiates ourselves from other clubs and being a champion of youth development is a more realistic strategy than out-spending Man City or having better South American scouts than Brighton.  If that is our USP then we need to start living it [Arteta mode off].

Oh, I agree with that, I'm just saying that they need to earn their place in things, rather than being give one to 'stop getting in their way' as we hear quite a lot.

Also worth noting, Man City and Chelsea, for all their insane spending, are also masters of growing and selling players, many of whom never get near their first team - it's a big part of what allows them to do that.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on August 05, 2023, 10:46:02 AM
			

			

				12m is ridiculously cheap, for a top talent.  Im all for selling those that don't make the grade, or maybe do but we choose to but this seems neither.  Selling a player that may well make the grade for below market value.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 05, 2023, 10:52:20 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 05, 2023, 10:40:56 AM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 05, 2023, 08:55:04 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 05, 2023, 12:24:46 AM
Quote from: Dave on August 04, 2023, 11:20:17 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 04, 2023, 11:12:18 PM
Quote from: Beard82 on August 04, 2023, 08:13:48 PM
Why would we sell him - he seems like a top talent

FFP gold, though, as a home grown player.

Yeah, I think he has loads of talent as well, but then again, so do a lot of players at that age.

It's difficult, but I honestly think the added value of a home grown product to FFP constraints makes it a more complicated decision.

Yup. We'd probably get £50m for his older brother right now. And that's because he's really good, so we shouldn't try and sell him.

But from an FFP perspective, it sorts the spreadsheets out for at least two years, while we bring through all the other youth that we're clearly planning on selling at some point for the same reason.

It's sad, but we're going to see a lot of "one of us, next Gary Shaws" sold in the years to come, and for some of them it won't be because they're not good enough. 

To look at it from another club's perspective, there's a reason that to sort their horrible finances out, there's a reason that Forest will end up selling Brennan Johnson rather than Gibbs-White.

Yep.

Also, and I know how cut-throat this will sound, we say things about how we wouldnt want to buy players who stand in the way of development of our home-grown players.

We need to get past that. If the home grown players are good enough, they'll break through and claim a place.

We're not here to grow and improve local lads, we're here to win matches and silverware.

It is great if we can do so with lots of home grown players, but we're - as you said - going to have to get a lot less emotional and more business like about that sort of thing.

Clearly you’re not wrong with that objective Paulie but how is that objective different from most clubs.  [Arteta mode on] We need to find a process that differentiates ourselves from other clubs and being a champion of youth development is a more realistic strategy than out-spending Man City or having better South American scouts than Brighton.  If that is our USP then we need to start living it [Arteta mode off].

Oh, I agree with that, I'm just saying that they need to earn their place in things, rather than being give one to 'stop getting in their way' as we hear quite a lot.

Also worth noting, Man City and Chelsea, for all their insane spending, are also masters of growing and selling players, many of whom never get near their first team - it's a big part of what allows them to do that.

After posting, I did think that if we turned on the youth tap too quickly then we could undo a lot of the good work Emery has done.  So evolution rather than revolution as Alan partridge would say. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smithy on August 05, 2023, 11:19:09 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 05, 2023, 10:40:56 AM
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Why would we sell him - he seems like a top talent

FFP gold, though, as a home grown player.

Yeah, I think he has loads of talent as well, but then again, so do a lot of players at that age.

It's difficult, but I honestly think the added value of a home grown product to FFP constraints makes it a more complicated decision.

Yup. We'd probably get £50m for his older brother right now. And that's because he's really good, so we shouldn't try and sell him.

But from an FFP perspective, it sorts the spreadsheets out for at least two years, while we bring through all the other youth that we're clearly planning on selling at some point for the same reason.

It's sad, but we're going to see a lot of "one of us, next Gary Shaws" sold in the years to come, and for some of them it won't be because they're not good enough. 

To look at it from another club's perspective, there's a reason that to sort their horrible finances out, there's a reason that Forest will end up selling Brennan Johnson rather than Gibbs-White.

Yep.

Also, and I know how cut-throat this will sound, we say things about how we wouldnt want to buy players who stand in the way of development of our home-grown players.

We need to get past that. If the home grown players are good enough, they'll break through and claim a place.

We're not here to grow and improve local lads, we're here to win matches and silverware.

It is great if we can do so with lots of home grown players, but we're - as you said - going to have to get a lot less emotional and more business like about that sort of thing.

Clearly you’re not wrong with that objective Paulie but how is that objective different from most clubs.  [Arteta mode on] We need to find a process that differentiates ourselves from other clubs and being a champion of youth development is a more realistic strategy than out-spending Man City or having better South American scouts than Brighton.  If that is our USP then we need to start living it [Arteta mode off].

Oh, I agree with that, I'm just saying that they need to earn their place in things, rather than being give one to 'stop getting in their way' as we hear quite a lot.

Also worth noting, Man City and Chelsea, for all their insane spending, are also masters of growing and selling players, many of whom never get near their first team - it's a big part of what allows them to do that.

Also, it's going to be a big change for us supporters.  As long as I can remember, the promise of a youth prospect making it to the first team, and actually IMPROVING it, has been more exciting than just about any bought player (barring a few significant exceptions).  

For me, it started with two friends from school who did their YTS at Villa in Riccy Scimeca's year. They would tell me about the kid a couple of years below them who was going to be a star - Lee Hendrie.  Since then I've always found the 'production line' of promising kids to be a big part of why I support the club.  Yes, the 90 minutes on a Saturday will always be the biggest part, but the promise of what might come next week, next month, next season, the season after that, is always there with me.

I've always had FAR more affinity for the likes of Hendrie, Barry, Vassell, Jack, Gabby (early years) and so on. Certainly more than their peers who were bought by the club.  Even the players who started with us but who were sold on to have reasonable careers before making long-term contributions for us, like Cahill, Steven Davis, Luke Moore, Weimann, Albrighton I remember more fondly than the players around them that were bought in.

But now it's different.  Players can come through the ranks here but then get sold for millions before making more than a handful of appearances for the club.  I totally get why it has to happen for us to be successful. I support it happening. But I also mourn the fact that it is no doubt going to slightly kill-off part of the reason I'm a villa fan.

There will come a time when we'll see the youth team win the FA Youth Cup, and the first thoughts of many supporters will be "this lot will do wonders for our FFP" rather than "this lot could help us win a trophies for years to come".

And I think that's a shame.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ads on August 05, 2023, 11:21:58 AM
			

			

				So he can play Premier League football and if he's good enough for us (meaning he's better than JJ, which would be pretty special) we get a top 5 midfielder for relative buttons.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: N'ZMAV on August 05, 2023, 11:26:47 AM
			

			

				I think we loan Burnley Aaron Ramsey.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smithy on August 05, 2023, 11:38:51 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 05, 2023, 11:26:47 AM
I think we loan Burnley Aaron Ramsey.

Premier league clubs can only have two loans from other prem clubs, so I don't see a newly promoted club using one of their loans on an untested at the top level youth product.  In the Championship it's much more relaxed, so these clubs loan more players as they have more flexibility.  In the premier league it's not as easy.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ads on August 05, 2023, 11:39:03 AM
			

			

				We don't get to offset £12m against our spending. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ads on August 05, 2023, 11:40:35 AM
			

			

				Gonzalo Montiel being linked, right back from Sevilla.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LukeJames on August 05, 2023, 11:50:24 AM
			

			

				I signed him a few years ago when he was an un-known on Football Manager and he became the best RB in the World. That probably says more about my coaching though.

Oh and he scored the winning penalty in the World Cup Final.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RamboandBruno on August 05, 2023, 11:52:55 AM
			

			

				The home grown talent thing completely and understandably influences our (supporters) view of players. We view Cam Archer as a top talent, largely because he’s scored a dozen goals in the championship two years in a row. I’d suggest if we’d just bought a second striker from the championship with a similar record, we’d be underwhelmed. I want Archer to succeed I really do, I was willing him to score or even get a chance against Lazio, but I have to say so far in limited times I’ve seen him, I’m not 100% convinced, sacrosanct on here I know and I hope I’m wrong. 

I bring up Archer as I think its a similar situation with A Ramsey, we presume he’s going to be a top talent, without really knowing. 

Potentially 50-60 games this season or not, with McGinn, Tielemans, Kamara, Luiz, Bailey, Diaby, Beundia, J Ramsey, Coutinho, possibly Bidace, in front of him, the kid really isn’t getting many if any first team games this season. A loan would seem a better option but I’d trust in Emery and his team to have a clear idea who is going to win us matches and trophies. 

It seems to me that Emery is here to get us winning things and heading towards the top 4 and established there as quickly as possible, whilst I hope he’s here for 5 or 6 years and I absolutely hope he’s building foundations, this doesn’t strike me as a long term project when youth are going to have a few years to develop. I think if they are good enough they will be in the squad, if they need a bit more time, a loan, if the management team aren’t sure if they are good enough or where they fit in, they will be sold. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 05, 2023, 12:06:39 PM
			

			

				Agree. Even so he is more than decent and he will get his chance this season. It’s a Villa career defining chance.  He has the makings of a great player and I wish him all the luck in the world.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on August 05, 2023, 12:32:28 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smithy on August 05, 2023, 11:38:51 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 05, 2023, 11:26:47 AM
I think we loan Burnley Aaron Ramsey.

Premier league clubs can only have two loans from other prem clubs, so I don't see a newly promoted club using one of their loans on an untested at the top level youth product.  In the Championship it's much more relaxed, so these clubs loan more players as they have more flexibility.  In the premier league it's not as easy.

Unless they saw him last season at Middlesbrough and rate him very highly.  A Premier League loan for our young players is a win-win all round really.  They get a taste at that level and we get to see how they perform in the top flight.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 05, 2023, 12:34:15 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ads on August 05, 2023, 11:40:35 AM
Gonzalo Montiel being linked, right back from Sevilla.

He looks and sounds like a movie baddie, but if we're going for players named after the place in which they were conceived, I'd rather him than Brooklyn Beckham.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 05, 2023, 12:49:28 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ads on August 05, 2023, 11:40:35 AM
Gonzalo Montiel being linked, right back from Sevilla.

Get him in. We've finally found our new penalty taker, eh BE?

EDIT: Not sure Alex Moreno will be too pleased to see him arrive..

From Sid Lowe:  'He had come on as a first-half sub after Gonzalo Montiel was handed a red card for a wild, flying tackle, studs connecting with Álex Moreno’s knee. At first the referee, Sánchez Martínez, had only given a yellow, but the replays saw that upgraded, Montiel losing his mind and having to be dragged off the pitch by teammates.'

From the clips I've seen he's nails, gives everything and not without a bit of skill. He would certainly help us out on a right back option.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on August 05, 2023, 01:01:07 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: tomd2103 on August 05, 2023, 12:32:28 PM
Quote from: Smithy on August 05, 2023, 11:38:51 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 05, 2023, 11:26:47 AM
I think we loan Burnley Aaron Ramsey.

Premier league clubs can only have two loans from other prem clubs, so I don't see a newly promoted club using one of their loans on an untested at the top level youth product.  In the Championship it's much more relaxed, so these clubs loan more players as they have more flexibility.  In the premier league it's not as easy.

Unless they saw him last season at Middlesbrough and rate him very highly.  A Premier League loan for our young players is a win-win all round really.  They get a taste at that level and we get to see how they perform in the top flight.

It would but you don't see many loans in the Premier League from club to club. And how motivated would that club be to develop a player for a rival? Whereas, a permanent deal with a buy-back clause and you're likely to treat him as your player and hope that the clause doesn't get exercised, or know that if it does, he must have done really well for you in the short-term. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on August 05, 2023, 01:19:20 PM
			

			

				
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Why would we sell him - he seems like a top talent

FFP gold, though, as a home grown player.

Yeah, I think he has loads of talent as well, but then again, so do a lot of players at that age.

It's difficult, but I honestly think the added value of a home grown product to FFP constraints makes it a more complicated decision.

Yup. We'd probably get £50m for his older brother right now. And that's because he's really good, so we shouldn't try and sell him.

But from an FFP perspective, it sorts the spreadsheets out for at least two years, while we bring through all the other youth that we're clearly planning on selling at some point for the same reason.

It's sad, but we're going to see a lot of "one of us, next Gary Shaws" sold in the years to come, and for some of them it won't be because they're not good enough. 

To look at it from another club's perspective, there's a reason that to sort their horrible finances out, there's a reason that Forest will end up selling Brennan Johnson rather than Gibbs-White.

Yep.

Also, and I know how cut-throat this will sound, we say things about how we wouldnt want to buy players who stand in the way of development of our home-grown players.

We need to get past that. If the home grown players are good enough, they'll break through and claim a place.

We're not here to grow and improve local lads, we're here to win matches and silverware.

It is great if we can do so with lots of home grown players, but we're - as you said - going to have to get a lot less emotional and more business like about that sort of thing.

Clearly you’re not wrong with that objective Paulie but how is that objective different from most clubs.  [Arteta mode on] We need to find a process that differentiates ourselves from other clubs and being a champion of youth development is a more realistic strategy than out-spending Man City or having better South American scouts than Brighton.  If that is our USP then we need to start living it [Arteta mode off].

Oh, I agree with that, I'm just saying that they need to earn their place in things, rather than being give one to 'stop getting in their way' as we hear quite a lot.

Also worth noting, Man City and Chelsea, for all their insane spending, are also masters of growing and selling players, many of whom never get near their first team - it's a big part of what allows them to do that.

It's also worth noting neither of those clubs have the historic revenue streams and support of Liverpool, Man U or Arsenal, and this tactic helps bridge that gap.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on August 05, 2023, 01:58:42 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on August 05, 2023, 01:19:20 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 05, 2023, 10:40:56 AM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 05, 2023, 08:55:04 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 05, 2023, 12:24:46 AM
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Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 04, 2023, 11:12:18 PM
Quote from: Beard82 on August 04, 2023, 08:13:48 PM
Why would we sell him - he seems like a top talent

FFP gold, though, as a home grown player.

Yeah, I think he has loads of talent as well, but then again, so do a lot of players at that age.

It's difficult, but I honestly think the added value of a home grown product to FFP constraints makes it a more complicated decision.

Yup. We'd probably get £50m for his older brother right now. And that's because he's really good, so we shouldn't try and sell him.

But from an FFP perspective, it sorts the spreadsheets out for at least two years, while we bring through all the other youth that we're clearly planning on selling at some point for the same reason.

It's sad, but we're going to see a lot of "one of us, next Gary Shaws" sold in the years to come, and for some of them it won't be because they're not good enough. 

To look at it from another club's perspective, there's a reason that to sort their horrible finances out, there's a reason that Forest will end up selling Brennan Johnson rather than Gibbs-White.

Yep.

Also, and I know how cut-throat this will sound, we say things about how we wouldnt want to buy players who stand in the way of development of our home-grown players.

We need to get past that. If the home grown players are good enough, they'll break through and claim a place.

We're not here to grow and improve local lads, we're here to win matches and silverware.

It is great if we can do so with lots of home grown players, but we're - as you said - going to have to get a lot less emotional and more business like about that sort of thing.

Clearly you’re not wrong with that objective Paulie but how is that objective different from most clubs.  [Arteta mode on] We need to find a process that differentiates ourselves from other clubs and being a champion of youth development is a more realistic strategy than out-spending Man City or having better South American scouts than Brighton.  If that is our USP then we need to start living it [Arteta mode off].

Oh, I agree with that, I'm just saying that they need to earn their place in things, rather than being give one to 'stop getting in their way' as we hear quite a lot.

Also worth noting, Man City and Chelsea, for all their insane spending, are also masters of growing and selling players, many of whom never get near their first team - it's a big part of what allows them to do that.

It's also worth noting neither of those clubs have the historic revenue streams and support of Liverpool, Man U or Arsenal, and this tactic helps bridge that gap.
It’s also worth noting Man City have 115 charges against them.  Think it is over estimated how many players they sell from a youth team perspective - for Man City it’s only been the last couple seasons.  

If we sale - say Tim Aaron and cam for a combined 40m are we really saying that we’ll get better value or players with better quality of any.  Sell them if they won’t make the grade or we don’t need them but I think it is a bit of a false economy.  40m doesn’t get you a Jacob Ramsey quality player 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 05, 2023, 02:04:41 PM
			

			

				Man City made £40m from academy player sales last summer alone.

2014-18 they made a total of over £70m.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on August 05, 2023, 02:05:31 PM
			

			

				Can you imagine how difficult it must be for a club like Bilbao to stay competitive with basically only using home grown players 

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 05, 2023, 02:22:05 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: john e on August 05, 2023, 02:05:31 PM
Can you imagine how difficult it must be for a club like Bilbao to stay competitive with basically only using home grown players 


The fact they’ve never been relegated is incredible.  You wonder whether their Basque only rule has inadvertently helped create managers like Lopetegui, Arteta and Emery, in the sense that the Basque people know that they need to coach every last bit of talent out of every player.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: N'ZMAV on August 05, 2023, 02:49:42 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: john e on August 05, 2023, 02:05:31 PM
Can you imagine how difficult it must be for a club like Bilbao to stay competitive with basically only using home grown players 

 they've got youth recruitment down to a tee 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on August 05, 2023, 03:02:57 PM
			

			

				I was going off this - https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/manchester-city/alletransfers/verein/281,  I still don't think that even if they raised approx 100m, that's a lot - they spent 200m on there academy.  I know a lot of it is all this FFP stuff, and biggest clubs findings new ways of gaming it.  

We sell Aaron Ramsey for 12m, covers Digne for a season?  I just think that given, probably 50% of transfers seem to end up as failures (for everyone, not just us) - shipping out talent on the cheap before they have a chance isn't actually that shrewd.  If we don't think a player is going to make it then fine - but give them ago as they won't lose their value in 1 season - and could quite possibly increase it.

I'm sure the club knows what it's doing, and maybe some of it is because I am confusing what we have done over the last 2 or 3 years, vs what will do in the next 2 or 3 years.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ads on August 05, 2023, 04:21:00 PM
			

			

				When is he going play though?

Jacob Ramsey, McGinn, Buendia, Coutinho, Bailey, Diaby, JPB all ahead in the pecking order.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on August 05, 2023, 04:35:09 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ads on August 05, 2023, 04:21:00 PM
When is he going play though?

Jacob Ramsey, McGinn, Buendia, Coutinho, Bailey, Diaby, JPB all ahead in the pecking order.
True - but we played 41 games last season - and we have only added Diaby & JPB to that.  The other 5 had some involvement in pretty much every game they were fit for last season.   If we play 50+ games, and with 5 subs, its feels like he could get game time.  Im not saying we have to keep him - but selling him for 12m seems poor business.   Either play him (either to up his value or because we think he has a future) or loan him (again for the same reasons).
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on August 05, 2023, 04:38:51 PM
			

			

				The Athletic now reporting the Aaron Ramsey story - 

Burnley and Aston Villa are in advancing talks over the potential transfer of Aaron Ramsey.

The fee for the 20-year-old midfielder is expected to be in the region of £12million.

Ramsey spent last season on loan in the Championship, first with Norwich City and later with Middlesbrough, making 29 appearances in the second tier across both spells and scoring eight goals.

Burnley have been busy in the transfer window this summer since promotion from the Championship.

They have made nine signings, including Nathan Redmond, James Trafford, Zeki Amdouni and Dara O’Shea. Michael Obafemi and Jordan Beyer have also returned on permanent deals after loan spells at Burnley last season.

Ramsey, whose older brother Jacob is also at Villa, has not made a Premier League appearance for the club but was a member of the 2021 Youth Cup-winning squad.

https://theathletic.com/4751354/2023/08/05/burnley-transfer-villa-aaron-ramsey/
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on August 05, 2023, 04:49:13 PM
			

			

				We’ve helped enough clubs out by developing their players. If Aaron goes and develops at Burnley and we can buy him back for a reasonable fee then that’s a great way to mitigate FFP and to utilize clubs lower in the food chain. He’s not getting time with us realistically, and he’s probably beyond another loan in the Championship. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 05, 2023, 04:51:37 PM
			

			

				Predictions on the buy-back clause?  I’d guess £20m as the purchase price feels pretty low to me considering his potential.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on August 05, 2023, 04:56:01 PM
			

			

				Athletic article doesnt seem to mention buy back?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 05, 2023, 05:13:48 PM
			

			

				Burnley and Aston Villa are close to a £12 million deal for Aaron Ramsey - with a buy back clause agreed

Burnley are happy to pay the fee - the only hurdle is Ramsey agreeing terms with Villa if he returns to them in the ‘buy back’ scenario

Nixon 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 05, 2023, 05:14:47 PM
			

			

				On the Rumour front, Emi Buendia being linked with Arsenal.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on August 05, 2023, 05:17:44 PM
			

			

				How much would beudia cost?  I'd sell him for 45m I think.

Hes a good player - but just not consistent enough
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RamboandBruno on August 05, 2023, 05:26:57 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Beard82 on August 05, 2023, 04:35:09 PM
Quote from: Ads on August 05, 2023, 04:21:00 PM
When is he going play though?

Jacob Ramsey, McGinn, Buendia, Coutinho, Bailey, Diaby, JPB all ahead in the pecking order.
True - but we played 41 games last season - and we have only added Diaby & JPB to that.  The other 5 had some involvement in pretty much every game they were fit for last season.   If we play 50+ games, and with 5 subs, its feels like he could get game time.  Im not saying we have to keep him - but selling him for 12m seems poor business.   Either play him (either to up his value or because we think he has a future) or loan him (again for the same reasons).

Even if we do well in all the cups, A Ramsey is not going to get any game time in front of all those players. Its better if he plays somewhere. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: murgsy on August 05, 2023, 05:27:51 PM
			

			

				I think he has a sa accusation unresolved ...


Quote from: Brazilian Villain on August 05, 2023, 12:34:15 PM
Quote from: Ads on August 05, 2023, 11:40:35 AM
Gonzalo Montiel being linked, right back from Sevilla.

He looks and sounds like a movie baddie, but if we're going for players named after the place in which they were conceived, I'd rather him than Brooklyn Beckham.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 05, 2023, 06:01:16 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 05, 2023, 05:14:47 PM
On the Rumour front, Emi Buendia being linked with Arsenal.

I can’t see that. The clickbate article I read said we’d want north of £50m
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on August 05, 2023, 06:08:02 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Beard82 on August 05, 2023, 04:56:01 PM
Athletic article doesnt seem to mention buy back?

£15m was the figure I saw. No idea whether that’s right or not. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 05, 2023, 06:12:21 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: murgsy on August 05, 2023, 05:27:51 PM
I think he has a sa accusation unresolved ..

Quote from: Brazilian Villain on August 05, 2023, 12:34:15 PM
He looks and sounds like a movie baddie, but if we're going for players named after the place in which they were conceived, I'd rather him than Brooklyn Beckham.

Well if we're going off names, his mate Acosta Alexis sounds like a more likely perpetrator.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: murgsy on August 05, 2023, 06:33:22 PM
			

			

				Gonzalo Montiel, the Argentine footballer who achieved remarkable success in the 2022-23 season, finds himself embroiled in a serious legal matter.

Reports from Spanish nationwide daily sports newspaper Mundo Deportivo suggest that Montiel has been charged with sexual abuse, specifically a crime involving multiple perpetrators.

The charge stems from an incident that allegedly occurred on January 1, 2019, in Argentina, as reported by the victim. However, during his testimony, the Sevilla defender attempted to distance himself from the accusations, pointing the finger at one of his friends, Acosta Alexis, according to Mundo Deportivo.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/sevilla-star-gonzalo-montiel-faces-113700966.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAM6OE0dp866VfiyHzDxlIvypZ81GC5Lx3oFlbuq0qwTQ8S52guYLUk0KIvo8lVg7gNry8VNqhrIfRoLRdOV7TXTSORG0k8gU9z4vkfFv4-SO5SqNogkj4Y9rdGownFkzWbdbZ3q9uEy865eC5e2iBJPE8dgZG-nZCviGAq2wVzc4


Quote from: Brazilian Villain on August 05, 2023, 06:12:21 PM
Quote from: murgsy on August 05, 2023, 05:27:51 PM
I think he has a sa accusation unresolved ..

Quote from: Brazilian Villain on August 05, 2023, 12:34:15 PM
He looks and sounds like a movie baddie, but if we're going for players named after the place in which they were conceived, I'd rather him than Brooklyn Beckham.

Well if we're going off names, his mate Acosta Alexis sounds like a more likely perpetrator.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 05, 2023, 07:26:17 PM
			

			

				Regarding the above, I can't see Villa making a move on Gonzalo Montiel until judgement is decided. From what I've just read from Argentina, the court case, or at least the part concerning Montiel was in June and he is waiting on the verdict.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on August 05, 2023, 08:32:04 PM
			

			

				Romano reporting a Qatar club is looking at Coutinho;

https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1687900862176247808?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet (https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1687900862176247808?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 05, 2023, 08:40:19 PM
			

			

				Qatar? That's like going to Birmingham, thinking you're going to sign for Aston Villa and ending up at the Sty.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on August 05, 2023, 08:57:26 PM
			

			

				Could we offer them Bailey instead? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on August 05, 2023, 08:59:17 PM
			

			

				Get money back on Coutinho would be more than happy…if they could take Traore for what we paid too would be great
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 05, 2023, 09:05:59 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Gareth on August 05, 2023, 08:59:17 PM
Get money back on Coutinho would be more than happy…if they could take Traore for what we paid too would be great

Nah, keep Phil and get Bert out the door. If some mugs want to pay 5 or 10m for him, even better.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 05, 2023, 09:07:17 PM
			

			

				I can’t make my mind up on Coutinho. On the one hand he’s a massive talent, even in this excellent squad we have he’s still potentially our best player but on the other hand we’ve had him 18 months, he’s only shown glimpses of that talent, he’s now 31 and he seems to get injured easily.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 05, 2023, 09:16:17 PM
			

			

				There are other players I'd ship out before I'd let Coutinho go, but there's not likely to be lots of offers coming in for some of them, so I suppose if financially speaking we have to sell, we sell the ones people want to buy. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 05, 2023, 09:17:09 PM
			

			

				we’ve signed Diaby so we need to take a hair cut on one of Coutinho, Bailey or Traore. Promote Jason Philogene.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on August 05, 2023, 10:12:10 PM
			

			

				Coutinho is a simple one for me, it's just whether he can stay fit. If he can stay fit, he's class and can be huge for us. If he's out more than he's available though, we would have to move him on. 

Bailey and Traore can both go, just need buyers. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smithy on August 05, 2023, 10:14:39 PM
			

			

				The thing with Coutinho, is he's going to be no less valuable to a Saudi team in January, but he could prove very valuable to us until then, so I'd keep him. UNLESS Unai has decided he doesn't need him (which would be surprising given his last two performances in pre season).  If it doesn't work out for him up to Xmas, then I'm pretty sure we'd get exactly the same for him from a Saudi club in january, unless he's injured.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 05, 2023, 10:21:31 PM
			

			

				I agree.  A Saudi team will be signing the name Coutinho rather the player so it makes no difference whether it is now or January. 
Unless we need to lose the wages he better off with us as an option.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on August 05, 2023, 10:24:59 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on August 05, 2023, 09:05:59 PM
Quote from: Gareth on August 05, 2023, 08:59:17 PM
Get money back on Coutinho would be more than happy…if they could take Traore for what we paid too would be great

Nah, keep Phil and get Bert out the door. If some mugs want to pay 5 or 10m for him, even better.

Quite. People are quite blasé about Coutinho. But he is still massively talented. The question is whether he can stay fit - if he can he’s a huge asset.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: jwarry on August 06, 2023, 04:07:31 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Gareth on August 05, 2023, 08:59:17 PM
Get money back on Coutinho would be more than happy…if they could take Traore for what we paid too would be great

Has anybody seen Traore by the way? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: UK Redsox on August 06, 2023, 07:29:02 AM
			

			

				Injured on international duty
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rigadon on August 06, 2023, 07:43:03 AM
			

			

				Philogene to Liverpool according to the Liverpool Echo.  Weird one.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 06, 2023, 08:04:57 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rigadon on August 06, 2023, 07:43:03 AM
Philogene to Liverpool according to the Liverpool Echo.  Weird one. 

Typical of the media. 

A player will have a blinder next week on the opening day and be linked with Liverpool the next day. 

Then nothing. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ads on August 06, 2023, 10:02:49 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rigadon on August 06, 2023, 07:43:03 AM
Philogene to Liverpool according to the Liverpool Echo.  Weird one.  

The Echo aren't claiming it, they're just reporting a "could" have met with his agent based on a Twitter Account called Anfield watch. It's all shite.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on August 06, 2023, 10:06:09 AM
			

			

				That's how lazy journalism has got, getting stories off random accounts on Twitter. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 06, 2023, 10:11:52 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clampy on August 06, 2023, 10:06:09 AM
That's how lazy journalism has got, getting stories off random accounts on Twitter. 

You know it's lazy journalism when they refer to him as Jaden Philogene instead of working Bidace into the headline.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on August 06, 2023, 11:12:42 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 05, 2023, 10:24:59 PM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on August 05, 2023, 09:05:59 PM
Quote from: Gareth on August 05, 2023, 08:59:17 PM
Get money back on Coutinho would be more than happy…if they could take Traore for what we paid too would be great

Nah, keep Phil and get Bert out the door. If some mugs want to pay 5 or 10m for him, even better.

Quite. People are quite blasé about Coutinho. But he is still massively talented. The question is whether he can stay fit - if he can he’s a huge asset.

Agree Paul, but we do have a lot of good options in the positions he plays and I presume getting his wages off the books would give us some extra wriggle room financially.

I'd be a bit disappointed to see him go at this point, as I'd feel that we never really saw the best of him.  There is the question of course though whether we ever will and we might be better taking an offer if it's there.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rigadon on August 06, 2023, 11:43:36 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ads on August 06, 2023, 10:02:49 AM
Quote from: Rigadon on August 06, 2023, 07:43:03 AM
Philogene to Liverpool according to the Liverpool Echo.  Weird one.  

The Echo aren't claiming it, they're just reporting a "could" have met with his agent based on a Twitter Account called Anfield watch. It's all shite.

Ah yes!  It's still a weird rumour to make up (which its probably is).
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: KevinGage on August 06, 2023, 12:07:19 PM
			

			

				Possibly agent led, to get him a better contract at Villa. 

I'm sure we seen a few 'McGinn to Man United' pieces before he penned a new deal. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on August 06, 2023, 12:16:21 PM
			

			

				Or it’s just completely made up
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on August 06, 2023, 01:04:32 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rigadon on August 06, 2023, 07:43:03 AM
Philogene to Liverpool according to the Liverpool Echo.  Weird one. 

Not really. 

Whenever a Villa player shows some form & potential, the media are tripping over their own dick with their attempts to whore them out to any club that might make a few Villa fans sweat.

Its like clockwork. Sun rises. Ben Mee being a ******. Etc, etc...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 06, 2023, 01:08:57 PM
			

			

				I'm guessing it's because they've sold 2 midfielders to Saudi very recently. The "logic" of these things seems to be Player A looks good, who might need a midfielder..... Philogene to Liverpool! 


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 06, 2023, 01:50:07 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: UK Redsox on August 06, 2023, 07:29:02 AM
Injured on international duty

always is 

get rid and bailey 


Id keep Phil .
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on August 06, 2023, 01:50:48 PM
			

			

				It's an agent trying to get him improved contract terms at Villa now he's around the first team my theory.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Axl Rose on August 06, 2023, 01:53:44 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 06, 2023, 01:50:07 PM
Quote from: UK Redsox on August 06, 2023, 07:29:02 AM
Injured on international duty

always is 

get rid and bailey 


Id keep Phil .

I am inclined to agree, though Bert is much better than Bailey
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on August 06, 2023, 04:29:01 PM
			

			

				Adams not playing today. Is he injured?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on August 06, 2023, 04:39:47 PM
			

			

				JPB has always had a hyperactive agent…seems like the last 2 summers he always had interest from Dortmund & Leipzig etc…then he signed a new contract…now Liverpool mentioned, await a new contract demand after half a dozen preseason games :-)


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 06, 2023, 04:50:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: olaftab on August 06, 2023, 04:29:01 PM
Adams not playing today. Is he injured?

Yes. He is not even training at the moment. Said to be close to a return but unlikely to see until the end of this month I'd imagine.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on August 06, 2023, 10:40:04 PM
			

			

				Al-Hilal's offer to loan for João Félix for season rejected by Atletico. Félix apparently not going to rule out move if no other option.
Are he and we playing a waiting game? Maybe time for Emery and Monchi to swoop.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on August 06, 2023, 10:53:14 PM
			

			

				How about Arthur Cabral? Great in conference league last season and Firoentina rumoured to be moving him on.
Adds dimensions to attack and a quality Brazilian striker. Take him for squad depth and experience.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 06, 2023, 11:30:32 PM
			

			

				Joao Felix really is a fucking moron if he's painted himself into a corner wanting to play for Barcelona - who don't want and can't afford him - so much so that he's going to play in Saudi.

I wouldn't touch this twat with a barge pole, I don't care how good he is.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ROBBO on August 07, 2023, 04:33:26 AM
			

			

				Never rated Traore, scored a couple of great goals but never breaks into a sweat, one of the laziest players i've seen in a Villa shirt. I would like to see the stat on how much time he's been injured as against available.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: baddowvillans on August 07, 2023, 07:53:47 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 06, 2023, 04:50:18 PM
Quote from: olaftab on August 06, 2023, 04:29:01 PM
Adams not playing today. Is he injured?

Yes. He is not even training at the moment. Said to be close to a return but unlikely to see until the end of this month I'd imagine.

All the media outlets seem convinced that Chelsea will 'unlock" Adams release clause - Villa not even mentioned

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Mister E on August 07, 2023, 08:21:09 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on August 06, 2023, 10:40:04 PM
Al-Hilal's offer to loan for João Félix for season rejected by Atletico. Félix apparently not going to rule out move if no other option.
Are he and we playing a waiting game? Maybe time for Emery and Monchi to swoop.
No thank you. Massively underwhelming.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on August 07, 2023, 08:21:46 AM
			

			

				In transfer parlance, you only ever "unlock" a warchest. Everyone knows that....amateurs...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 07, 2023, 08:36:31 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on August 07, 2023, 08:21:46 AM
In transfer parlance, you only ever "unlock" a warchest. Everyone knows that....amateurs...

Yes, you “trigger” the release clause.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 07, 2023, 08:44:36 AM
			

			

				Is it too late to Unleash the Kraken?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on August 07, 2023, 08:47:24 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on August 07, 2023, 08:21:46 AM
In transfer parlance, you only ever "unlock" a warchest. Everyone knows that....amateurs...
I wonder when clubs lock their warchest? Like, is it just before the transfer window slams shut, or just after? Cos I'd think slamming the window shut might cause a draught which would blow the contents of their war chest all over the office, and Linda from accounts would then need to spend the whole of the next morning picking it all up and putting it back in.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on August 07, 2023, 09:11:57 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: algy on August 07, 2023, 08:47:24 AM
Quote from: eamonn on August 07, 2023, 08:21:46 AM
In transfer parlance, you only ever "unlock" a warchest. Everyone knows that....amateurs...
I wonder when clubs lock their warchest? Like, is it just before the transfer window slams shut, or just after? Cos I'd think slamming the window shut might cause a draught which would blow the contents of their war chest all over the office, and Linda from accounts would then need to spend the whole of the next morning picking it all up and putting it back in.

But hasn't the warchest usually been given to the manager by then? So, it's probably a delightful conversation point on a coffee table somewhere.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on August 07, 2023, 09:19:47 AM
			

			

				A ManU 'ITK fan' (my term) had is linked with Fred and their young reserve goalie last night... 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Axl Rose on August 07, 2023, 09:22:16 AM
			

			

				Fred? Good lord. 

I hope he's wrong, mate.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on August 07, 2023, 09:22:27 AM
			

			

				If people are going to make up ITKs, they’d be best avoiding areas where we’re absolutely stuffed with players.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Axl Rose on August 07, 2023, 09:23:28 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on August 07, 2023, 09:22:27 AM
If people are going to make up ITKs, they’d be best avoiding areas where we’re absolutely stuffed with players.

Good point, mate.

As if we need another midfielder!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on August 07, 2023, 10:12:15 AM
			

			

				Yeah, unless it's Sideshow Bob, we're not interested. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on August 07, 2023, 01:58:16 PM
			

			

				It's all gone very quiet out there.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Exeter 77 on August 07, 2023, 02:07:14 PM
			

			

				It seems Forest are signing Matt Turner, the keeper, from Arsenal so they will need to start re-couping some money from somewhere. I would imagine this makes Johnson leaving them more likely but not necessarily for Villa.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Footy-Vill on August 07, 2023, 05:48:59 PM
			

			

				Al Hilal are trying to sign Lille striker Jonathan David.
I've always puzzled why no Premier League team ever makes a move for him. Top clubs, including Villa seemingly so are uninterested. 
If he was even fancied by anyone in the Premier League, wouldn't even some Everton, Fulham, Brentford Forest, or Palace go after him? 


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on August 07, 2023, 05:56:01 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Footy-Vill on August 07, 2023, 05:48:59 PM
Al Hilal are trying to sign Lille striker Jonathan David.
I've always puzzled why no Premier League team ever makes a move for him. Top clubs, including Villa seemingly so are uninterested. 
If he was even fancied by anyone in the Premier League, wouldn't even some Everton, Fulham, Brentford Forest, or Palace go after him?

I'm guessing none of them would be in a position to pay the £80m or so that Lille would want.

And he's probably got his sights set on something much bigger.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on August 07, 2023, 06:05:18 PM
			

			

				We've been linked with him before. The longer it takes Watkins to sign this contract, the more pressing signing someone like that becomes. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on August 07, 2023, 06:09:50 PM
			

			

				i think we are now overloaded in some areas and light in others e.g. Still need serious backup nr9 , a  RB and a competent Nr 2 , heaven forbid Martinez got injured long term  the season would go down the pan in an instant 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RichardBatchelor on August 07, 2023, 06:51:22 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on August 07, 2023, 09:19:47 AM
A ManU 'ITK fan' (my term) had is linked with Fred and their young reserve goalie last night...

Fred. No

Reserve team goalie? Yes please.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: steamer on August 07, 2023, 07:07:03 PM
			

			

				Reserve goalie + out and out forward, if Ollie gets suspended or injured for a period we are left short.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: TheMalandro on August 07, 2023, 07:08:48 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on August 07, 2023, 05:56:01 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on August 07, 2023, 05:48:59 PM
Al Hilal are trying to sign Lille striker Jonathan David.
I've always puzzled why no Premier League team ever makes a move for him. Top clubs, including Villa seemingly so are uninterested. 
If he was even fancied by anyone in the Premier League, wouldn't even some Everton, Fulham, Brentford Forest, or Palace go after him?

I'm guessing none of them would be in a position to pay the £80m or so that Lille would want.

And he's probably got his sights set on something much bigger.

Perhaps Wolves.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: astonvilla82 on August 07, 2023, 07:09:09 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on August 07, 2023, 09:19:47 AM
A ManU 'ITK fan' (my term) had is linked with Fred and their young reserve goalie last night...
 Right 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on August 07, 2023, 07:21:33 PM
			

			

				Talk of Diego Carlos, which could allow us to make Chambers understudy to Konsa (may already be the case anyway) and for us to get a right back to challenge Cash. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on August 07, 2023, 07:24:14 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: TheMalandro on August 07, 2023, 07:08:48 PM
Quote from: Dave on August 07, 2023, 05:56:01 PM
Quote from: Footy-Vill on August 07, 2023, 05:48:59 PM
Al Hilal are trying to sign Lille striker Jonathan David.
I've always puzzled why no Premier League team ever makes a move for him. Top clubs, including Villa seemingly so are uninterested. 
If he was even fancied by anyone in the Premier League, wouldn't even some Everton, Fulham, Brentford Forest, or Palace go after him?

I'm guessing none of them would be in a position to pay the £80m or so that Lille would want.

And he's probably got his sights set on something much bigger.

Perhaps Wolves.

 ;)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on August 07, 2023, 07:40:24 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on August 07, 2023, 07:21:33 PM
Talk of Diego Carlos, which could allow us to make Chambers understudy to Konsa (may already be the case anyway) and for us to get a right back to challenge Cash. 

Terrible injury yes, but I still hope DC can come good. He was part of one of the best centre half pairings in Europe. I don’t think we should write him off.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on August 07, 2023, 08:03:46 PM
			

			

				You know how so many fans want a new striker me included? 

Well Neymar is available  ;D

(Its a big fat no from me, BTW.) 


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on August 07, 2023, 11:50:56 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on August 07, 2023, 08:03:46 PM
You know how so many fans want a new striker me included? 

Well Neymar is available  ;D

(Its a big fat no from me, BTW.)

Would love us to submit a £40m bid for Harry Kane and see how they like it.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on August 08, 2023, 12:10:07 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: tomd2103 on August 07, 2023, 11:50:56 PM
Quote from: Smirker on August 07, 2023, 08:03:46 PM
You know how so many fans want a new striker me included? 

Well Neymar is available  ;D

(Its a big fat no from me, BTW.)

Would love us to submit a £40m bid for Harry Kane and see how they like it.

41m + Olsen
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Holte L2 on August 08, 2023, 08:02:01 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: tomd2103 on August 07, 2023, 11:50:56 PM
Quote from: Smirker on August 07, 2023, 08:03:46 PM
You know how so many fans want a new striker me included? 

Well Neymar is available  ;D

(Its a big fat no from me, BTW.)

Would love us to submit a £40m bid for Harry Kane and see how they like it.

I'd love us to throw a £90m bid at Kane and see what he does.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: astonvilla82 on August 08, 2023, 08:13:13 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Holte L2 on August 08, 2023, 08:02:01 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on August 07, 2023, 11:50:56 PM
Quote from: Smirker on August 07, 2023, 08:03:46 PM
You know how so many fans want a new striker me included? 

Well Neymar is available  ;D

(Its a big fat no from me, BTW.)

Would love us to submit a £40m bid for Harry Kane and see how they like it.

I'd love us to throw a £90m bid at Kane and see what he does.
 probably fall over 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Holte L2 on August 08, 2023, 08:58:13 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: astonvilla82 on August 08, 2023, 08:13:13 AM
Quote from: Holte L2 on August 08, 2023, 08:02:01 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on August 07, 2023, 11:50:56 PM
Quote from: Smirker on August 07, 2023, 08:03:46 PM
You know how so many fans want a new striker me included? 

Well Neymar is available  ;D

(Its a big fat no from me, BTW.)

Would love us to submit a £40m bid for Harry Kane and see how they like it.

I'd love us to throw a £90m bid at Kane and see what he does.
 probably fall over 

*Applauds**
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ger Regan on August 08, 2023, 04:52:56 PM
			

			

				We're hardly done, are we?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: lovejoy on August 08, 2023, 04:53:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 05, 2023, 02:49:42 PM
Quote from: john e on August 05, 2023, 02:05:31 PM
Can you imagine how difficult it must be for a club like Bilbao to stay competitive with basically only using home grown players 

 they've got youth recruitment down to a tee

I was in Bilbao last Easter and turns see a dongle other shirt. It’s a national identity thing with them. They do hiwever have to pay a premium for Basque signings for obvious reasons. They’ve only spent c £200 m in their entire history. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villatillidie25 on August 08, 2023, 05:35:42 PM
			

			

				Guaita kicking off at Palace (not a great start) but he could be a very good option as back-up for Emi (assuming he'd want to swap Palace 1st team for our bench). Only 12m left on his contract and has made his stance with the club pretty clear so can't see a big fee being required...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 08, 2023, 05:38:24 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Villatillidie25 on August 08, 2023, 05:35:42 PM
Guaita kicking off at Palace (not a great start) but he could be a very good option as back-up for Emi (assuming he'd want to swap Palace 1st team for our bench). Only 12m left on his contract and has made his stance with the club pretty clear so can't see a big fee being required...

Decent shout
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on August 08, 2023, 05:51:47 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ger Regan on August 08, 2023, 04:52:56 PM
We're hardly done, are we?

As of August 5th: 

Asked about the club's transfer business this summer, he [Monchi] added: "We are active to give depth to the squad. If we pass the Conference play-off we can have 55 games this year. We are moving things so that Unai has the maximum arguments."
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on August 08, 2023, 05:56:05 PM
			

			

				If he wants maximum arguments, get him a username for H&V. We have space for a new agitator, having lost Footy til '24. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 08, 2023, 06:23:35 PM
			

			

				“Maximum Arguments - The Best of African Can Reverser”, out now on Trojan Records. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 08, 2023, 06:26:31 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: villadelph on August 08, 2023, 05:51:47 PM
Quote from: Ger Regan on August 08, 2023, 04:52:56 PM
We're hardly done, are we?

As of August 5th: 

Asked about the club's transfer business this summer, he [Monchi] added: "We are active to give depth to the squad. If we pass the Conference play-off we can have 55 games this year. We are moving things so that Unai has the maximum arguments."

Sorry for being lazy but will the window still be open when we know, one way or another, if we are in the group stages?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on August 08, 2023, 06:31:10 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 08, 2023, 06:23:35 PM
“Maximum Arguments - The Best of African Can Reverser”, out now on Trojan Records.

ACRs  8)


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 08, 2023, 06:33:31 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 08, 2023, 06:26:31 PM
Quote from: villadelph on August 08, 2023, 05:51:47 PM
Quote from: Ger Regan on August 08, 2023, 04:52:56 PM
We're hardly done, are we?

As of August 5th: 

Asked about the club's transfer business this summer, he [Monchi] added: "We are active to give depth to the squad. If we pass the Conference play-off we can have 55 games this year. We are moving things so that Unai has the maximum arguments."

Sorry for being lazy but will the window still be open when we know, one way or another, if we are in the group stages?

Only for one day (unless we win the first leg 5-0).
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: passport1 on August 08, 2023, 06:37:19 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 08, 2023, 06:23:35 PM
“Maximum Arguments - The Best of African Can Reverser”, out now on Trojan Records. 



I think he means Uni will have more players to argue with,so we must have more business pending

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 08, 2023, 06:52:41 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 08, 2023, 06:23:35 PM
“Maximum Arguments - The Best of African Car Reverser”, out now on Trojan Records. 

That's debatable.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on August 08, 2023, 06:58:24 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on August 08, 2023, 06:52:41 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 08, 2023, 06:23:35 PM
“Maximum Arguments - The Best of African Car Reverser”, out now on Trojan Records. 

That's debatable.

Yeah, it's one of those 'best of' albums that's nothing of the sort, just a collection of old shit from before they went big
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on August 08, 2023, 07:10:12 PM
			

			

				Ah fuck, the Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain dream might be over. He is apparently looking to sign for Besiktas and occupy space in their physio room next season. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 08, 2023, 07:29:34 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on August 08, 2023, 06:33:31 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 08, 2023, 06:26:31 PM
Quote from: villadelph on August 08, 2023, 05:51:47 PM
Quote from: Ger Regan on August 08, 2023, 04:52:56 PM
We're hardly done, are we?

As of August 5th: 

Asked about the club's transfer business this summer, he [Monchi] added: "We are active to give depth to the squad. If we pass the Conference play-off we can have 55 games this year. We are moving things so that Unai has the maximum arguments."

Sorry for being lazy but will the window still be open when we know, one way or another, if we are in the group stages?

Only for one day (unless we win the first leg 5-0).

Thank you.  The equivalent of buying presents on Christmas Eve. It rarely ends well.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on August 08, 2023, 07:45:01 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 08, 2023, 07:10:12 PM
Ah fuck, the Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain dream might be over. He is apparently looking to sign for Besiktas and occupy space in their physio room next season. 

His new digs. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rodders on August 08, 2023, 07:48:19 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 08, 2023, 06:23:35 PM
“Maximum Arguments - The Best of African Can Reverser”, out now on Trojan Records.

ACR is definitely signed to Luaka Bop.

(Who I think we were scouting around the Benni McCarthy era? Could probably still do a job etc)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: DB on August 08, 2023, 08:56:05 PM
			

			

				Hmm, just got duped
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: KevinGage on August 08, 2023, 08:59:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 08, 2023, 06:23:35 PM
“Maximum Arguments - The Best of African Can Reverser”, out now on Trojan Records. 

Ram Jam Rodigan has been caning the dubplate. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Hookeysmith on August 08, 2023, 09:13:18 PM
			

			

				Fuck me some of the "ITK" on News now would sound ridiculous if a child did it but these people consider themselves actual journalists.

Gems such as.

We are looking  at Tyler Adams to replace Luiz who is off to Spurzzzz

We are sounding out Laporte as UE is selling Mings 

Martinez "wants" to go to Chelsea 

Utter fucking drivel
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on August 08, 2023, 09:22:53 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 08, 2023, 07:10:12 PM
Ah fuck, the Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain dream might be over. He is apparently looking to sign for Besiktas and occupy space in their physio room next season. 
Devastated. Why is it that we let the very very best slip out of out clutches every time?? :'(
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: jwarry on August 08, 2023, 09:24:14 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Hookeysmith on August 08, 2023, 09:13:18 PM
Fuck me some of the "ITK" on News now would sound ridiculous if a child did it but these people consider themselves actual journalists.

Gems such as.

We are looking  at Tyler Adams to replace Luiz who is off to Spurzzzz

We are sounding out Laporte as UE is selling Mings 

Martinez "wants" to go to Chelsea 

Utter fucking drivel

Is there no law against spreading malicious lies Hooky? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Hookeysmith on August 08, 2023, 09:55:16 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: jwarry on August 08, 2023, 09:24:14 PM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on August 08, 2023, 09:13:18 PM
Fuck me some of the "ITK" on News now would sound ridiculous if a child did it but these people consider themselves actual journalists.

Gems such as.

We are looking  at Tyler Adams to replace Luiz who is off to Spurzzzz

We are sounding out Laporte as UE is selling Mings 

Martinez "wants" to go to Chelsea 

Utter fucking drivel

Is there no law against spreading malicious lies Hooky? 

It's supposed modern social media journalism. Everything based on bullsht and rumour with almost zero supporting evidence or quotes. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 08, 2023, 10:24:45 PM
			

			

				Yeah, but you are making the problem worse by repeating what they say, and getting wound up by it.

Just because it's on twitter (or whatever he's calling it this week) or other social media doesn't make it untrue. John Percy tweets a lot about us, and he's pretty much always correct.

We just need to use our own critical faculties and decide how reputable we find the people 'publishing' this stuff.

So, for example, 'footyinsider' is to John Percy as Piers Morgan is to Woodward and Bernstein.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: purpletrousers on August 09, 2023, 04:13:24 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: olaftab on August 08, 2023, 09:22:53 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 08, 2023, 07:10:12 PM
Ah fuck, the Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain dream might be over. He is apparently looking to sign for Besiktas and occupy space in their physio room next season. 
Devastated. Why is it that we let the very very best slip out of out clutches every time?? :'(

I actually read that as slip out of crutches 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: purpletrousers on August 09, 2023, 04:47:25 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on August 08, 2023, 05:56:05 PM
If he wants maximum arguments, get him a username for H&V. We have space for a new agitator, having lost Footy til '24. 

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 08, 2023, 06:23:35 PM
“Maximum Arguments - The Best of African Can Reverser”, out now on Trojan Records. 

To come full spiral, surely Footy needs to be sponsored On his return  to do a compilation post of every ACR reference on other threads, it would keep him busy for quite a while I think. A bit of community service instead of ‘doing time’ in exile? 

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 09, 2023, 08:50:13 AM
			

			

				Here's some ITK for you Hookey..

We're not signing Gonçalo Ramos from Benfica, he's gone to PSG for £55.9m with an additional £12.9 in add-ons.
Agent fees 10%. Good work if you can get it.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 09, 2023, 09:07:01 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Hookeysmith on August 08, 2023, 09:13:18 PM
Fuck me some of the "ITK" on News now would sound ridiculous if a child did it but these people consider themselves actual journalists.

Gems such as.

We are looking  at Tyler Adams to replace Luiz who is off to Spurzzzz

You missed out my favourite, 'The Brazilian is valued at £34m by Transfermarkt'.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on August 09, 2023, 11:07:07 AM
			

			

				West Ham have paid £30m for Harry Maguire.  Now I think he's better than he is made out to be and will probably suit them well.  But why pay £30m for a player Man U were desperate to get off their books?  I honestly thought he'd go for free or a token sum because of his wages.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on August 09, 2023, 11:21:02 AM
			

			

				I think Maguire quite suits WHAM!, personally.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villatillidie25 on August 09, 2023, 11:32:18 AM
			

			

				I’d agree. He’ll do fine at West Ham and £30m is probably a fair price (terrifyingly) 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 09, 2023, 11:37:45 AM
			

			

				As long as they defend deep he’ll be okay I think.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rotterdam on August 09, 2023, 11:41:00 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Hookeysmith on August 08, 2023, 09:13:18 PM
Fuck me some of the "ITK" on News now would sound ridiculous if a child did it but these people consider themselves actual journalists.

Gems such as.

We are looking  at Tyler Adams to replace Luiz who is off to Spurzzzz

We are sounding out Laporte as UE is selling Mings 

Martinez "wants" to go to Chelsea 

Utter fucking drivel

Agreed Hookey. 
The girl Melissa on Sky loves a bland, ambivalent, noncommittal phrase (usually involving ManUre) ...  'Manchester United Football Club are potentially, thinking about maybe preparing a bid for XXXXX, and it is assumed that XXXXX would probably think about the situation and might be open to considering moving to OT'. All while implying she is ITK.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 09, 2023, 11:42:22 AM
			

			

				I hope Maguire does amazingly for West Ham. I know all clubs/fans can have tempestuous relationships with players at times, but it feels like Man Utd fans are particularly awful lately, and they've heaped dogs abuse on this one player in particular. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on August 09, 2023, 11:58:18 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 09, 2023, 08:50:13 AM
Here's some ITK for you Hookey..

We're not signing Gonçalo Ramos from Benfica, he's gone to PSG for £55.9m with an additional £12.9 in add-ons.
Agent fees 10%. Good work if you can get it.

Finally stopped moving for our targets then. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on August 09, 2023, 11:59:42 AM
			

			

				What made me laugh about the Maguire situation was Man Utd trying to make out that he wasn't surplus to requirements. 

Unfortunately, that's £30m towards another signing when they've had to work their way round FFP. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on August 09, 2023, 12:02:31 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 09, 2023, 11:42:22 AM
I hope Maguire does amazingly for West Ham. I know all clubs/fans can have tempestuous relationships with players at times, but it feels like Man Utd fans are particularly awful lately, and they've heaped dogs abuse on this one player in particular. 

I honestly don't mind him. He's a decent defender, even if I don't share Southgates idol worship of him. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on August 09, 2023, 12:07:03 PM
			

			

				I also think he's a good player for a team that plays deep.  But Man U were desperate to get rid of him.  Seems to me West Ham needed a master negotiator.  With that said, £105 for Rice and now seeking £90 for Paqueta, they will be in the money.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on August 09, 2023, 12:08:33 PM
			

			

				If I was a WHAM! fan I'd be relieved to see some bodies come in but massively underwhelmed with who they are, and that's with me thinking Ward Prowse is better than just a free kick monkey.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: danno on August 09, 2023, 12:10:38 PM
			

			

				They’re both 29/30.  It’s not exactly building for the future.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 09, 2023, 12:12:08 PM
			

			

				If MON was still our manager, we'd have signed Maguire and JWP 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on August 09, 2023, 12:12:33 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on August 09, 2023, 12:07:03 PM
I also think he's a good player for a team that plays deep.  But Man U were desperate to get rid of him.  Seems to me West Ham needed a master negotiator.  With that said, £105 for Rice and now seeking £90 for Paqueta, they will be in the money.

If we had that money and were spending it on a player of maguires age and in such clear decline I'd be fuming 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: danno on August 09, 2023, 12:18:00 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulTheVillan on August 09, 2023, 12:12:08 PM
If MON was still our manager, we'd have signed Maguire and JWP

I thought John Gregory too, but yep.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 09, 2023, 12:18:43 PM
			

			

				Maguire was never £70 million but never as bad as those entitled manchester arsepipes make out .  West Ham are in a similar position to where were when selling Grealish . Bringing 3 in to replace the loss of their best player .  Be interesting to see if they are successful or have a mixed bag like we did 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 09, 2023, 12:22:29 PM
			

			

				Those are very ‘Moyes’ signings and the suggestion MON would have signed them is absolutely spot on. 

They don’t suggest progressive modern football, regardless of the qualities they bring. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villatillidie25 on August 09, 2023, 12:23:04 PM
			

			

				United doing a much better job of getting rid of the dead wood now, unfortunately. The below is probably the most they've made from transfers in a good while beyond when they sold players they didn't want to sell
Elanga (£15m)
Telles (£3m)
Maguire (£30m)
Fred (£15-£20m)
This all alongside of others leaving for free who would have been on big wages. They're going to have a lot more flexibility financially in the future (plus UCL revenue)

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villatillidie25 on August 09, 2023, 12:25:04 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on August 09, 2023, 12:18:43 PM
Maguire was never £70 million but never as bad as those entitled manchester arsepipes make out .  West Ham are in a similar position to where were when selling Grealish . Bringing 3 in to replace the loss of their best player .  Be interesting to see if they are successful or have a mixed bag like we did 

Looks like they're replacing with players who you know what you're getting (JWP, Maguire), rather than slightly riskier purchases (Buendia & Bailey). Granted, we sort of knew what we were getting with Ings
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on August 09, 2023, 12:33:13 PM
			

			

				West Ham bought in a Technical Director identify promising young players from across Europe but Moyes hasn't approved any of those recommended, and has instead finally got his way by the looks of it. There's quite an indifference over philosophy there, doesn't seem very coherent. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on August 09, 2023, 12:38:52 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on August 09, 2023, 12:33:13 PM
West Ham bought in a Technical Director identify promising young players from across Europe but Moyes hasn't approved any of those recommended, and has instead finally got his way by the looks of it. There's quite an indifference over philosophy there, doesn't seem very coherent. 

Moyes is just another MoN, he can be moderately successful in short stints but has a very clear ceiling and when he tries to break that all his limitations become obvious. This is just another example of it.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 09, 2023, 12:43:28 PM
			

			

				West Ham kind of struggled a bit last year balancing Europe and the league. Now they have to make the step up again from Conference to Europa and they've only bought 2 players, to essentially replace 1. Maguire has European experience, which I suppose is a plus, but if I was a fan I think I'd be wanting maybe 4 or 5 new faces at lower prices. 

There was plenty of talk about Moyes and their director of football clashing over transfer policy, and I think it was along those lines. These 2 signings imply Moyes has won that battle for now, but I'd imagine he's one of the managers who'll be on borrowed time very soon if things don't start well. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on August 09, 2023, 12:46:44 PM
			

			

				I bet MON is so jealous of Moyesy and the British squad being assembled. "Could have been me. Damn my litigious nature!"
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on August 09, 2023, 12:47:15 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 09, 2023, 12:43:28 PM
West Ham kind of struggled a bit last year balancing Europe and the league. Now they have to make the step up again from Conference to Europa and they've only bought 2 players, to essentially replace 1. 

Last time they were in the Europa League they got to the semi-finals and finished seventh in the league.

If we're going on precedent, they find their league seasons easier when in the Europa than the Conference league.

They'll probably bomb, but I don't think that which European competition they're playing in will have anything to do with it.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 09, 2023, 12:49:01 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: danno on August 09, 2023, 12:18:00 PM
Quote from: PaulTheVillan on August 09, 2023, 12:12:08 PM
If MON was still our manager, we'd have signed Maguire and JWP

I thought John Gregory too, but yep.

You're both right! From 'Other football':

Quote from: Sexual Ealing on August 09, 2023, 11:03:17 AM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 09, 2023, 10:51:19 AM
Double deal for West Ham today it appears with Ward Prowse and Maguire joining them for a combined outlay of around £60m.

They look like very John Gergory/MON signings to me. Fine up to a point, but big wages and no resale value.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on August 09, 2023, 12:53:53 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on August 09, 2023, 11:21:02 AM
I think Maguire quite suits WHAM!, personally.

Nah, he'd look crap in the music videos next to George or even Andrew. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 09, 2023, 01:01:26 PM
			

			

				Wham are also linked to a DM from ajax so Moyes hasnt completely got his way. They’re desperate for a striker too so I doubt they’re finished (no idea who). 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on August 09, 2023, 01:02:50 PM
			

			

				Good signings for West Ham, but agree feel very M’ON like.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 09, 2023, 01:04:50 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on August 09, 2023, 12:47:15 PM
Last time they were in the Europa League they got to the semi-finals and finished seventh in the league.

If we're going on precedent, they find their league seasons easier when in the Europa than the Conference league.

They'll probably bomb, but I don't think that which European competition they're playing in will have anything to do with it.

Fair point. Arguably there's stronger opposition in the Europa League than in Conference, so the games should be tougher and leave less room for rotation. On the other hand there's potentially a lot less travel involved in Europa League, which may prove beneficial in itself. 

I just think last season they struggled, and over the summer they've lost their best player, only just signed 2 players a matter of days before the season starts, and there's rumblings of behind the scenes strife too. So yeah, I think all things considered they'll find it more difficult this season.  

Although they could be finished in Europe by Christmas which would make the second half of the season a lot easier to navigate.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on August 09, 2023, 01:21:26 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on August 09, 2023, 12:53:53 PM
Quote from: Dogtanian on August 09, 2023, 11:21:02 AM
I think Maguire quite suits WHAM!, personally.

Nah, he'd look crap in the music videos next to George or even Andrew.

What are you on about? He's shoulderless-sweater gold and you know it!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Hookeysmith on August 09, 2023, 01:24:22 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 09, 2023, 01:02:50 PM
Good signings for West Ham, but agree feel very M’ON like.

I think they got rid of that Italian donkey (the one covered in tattoos)  they paid in excess of £60 mil for i think
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on August 09, 2023, 01:39:59 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Hookeysmith on August 09, 2023, 01:24:22 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 09, 2023, 01:02:50 PM
Good signings for West Ham, but agree feel very M’ON like.

I think they got rid of that Italian donkey (the one covered in tattoos)  they paid in excess of £60 mil for i think

They paid £30m, with £5m of add-ons that I think it's safe to assume they didn't end up paying.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villatillidie25 on August 09, 2023, 01:40:42 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Hookeysmith on August 09, 2023, 01:24:22 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 09, 2023, 01:02:50 PM
Good signings for West Ham, but agree feel very M’ON like.

I think they got rid of that Italian donkey (the one covered in tattoos)  they paid in excess of £60 mil for i think

They paid about £30m for him so they've basically got their money back
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 09, 2023, 02:13:12 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on August 09, 2023, 12:53:53 PM
Quote from: Dogtanian on August 09, 2023, 11:21:02 AM
I think Maguire quite suits WHAM!, personally.

Nah, he'd look crap in the music videos next to George or even Andrew. 

Oh, you gotta have faith, f-faith, faith.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: not3bad on August 09, 2023, 02:24:57 PM
			

			

				I hope this shows that Birmingham World indulges in rubbish as much as Insider, Fancast et al. Would Tyler Adams really be an upgrade on Luiz?! https://www.birminghamworld.uk/sport/football/aston-villa/aston-villa-make-decision-on-midfielder-with-transfer-on-the-verge-of-being-sealed-4248587
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 09, 2023, 02:48:00 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: not3bad on August 09, 2023, 02:24:57 PM
I hope this shows that Birmingham World indulges in rubbish as much as Insider, Fancast et al. Would Tyler Adams really be an upgrade on Luiz?! https://www.birminghamworld.uk/sport/football/aston-villa/aston-villa-make-decision-on-midfielder-with-transfer-on-the-verge-of-being-sealed-4248587

Genuinely can’t recall last time I read anything as detached from reality as this, and I’m including novels in that. 

Quote
 It’s claimed Tottenham would be interested in Luiz, who finds himself slipping down the pecking order at Villa Park amid increasing competition.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 09, 2023, 03:00:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 09, 2023, 02:48:00 PM
Quote from: not3bad on August 09, 2023, 02:24:57 PM
I hope this shows that Birmingham World indulges in rubbish as much as Insider, Fancast et al. Would Tyler Adams really be an upgrade on Luiz?! https://www.birminghamworld.uk/sport/football/aston-villa/aston-villa-make-decision-on-midfielder-with-transfer-on-the-verge-of-being-sealed-4248587

Genuinely can’t recall last time I read anything as detached from reality as this, and I’m including novels in that. 

Quote
 It’s claimed Tottenham would be interested in Luiz, who finds himself slipping down the pecking order at Villa Park amid increasing competition.

What a load of horse shit
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 09, 2023, 03:20:04 PM
			

			

				Ross Barkley signs for Luton 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on August 09, 2023, 03:21:48 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulTheVillan on August 09, 2023, 03:00:17 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 09, 2023, 02:48:00 PM
Quote from: not3bad on August 09, 2023, 02:24:57 PM
I hope this shows that Birmingham World indulges in rubbish as much as Insider, Fancast et al. Would Tyler Adams really be an upgrade on Luiz?! https://www.birminghamworld.uk/sport/football/aston-villa/aston-villa-make-decision-on-midfielder-with-transfer-on-the-verge-of-being-sealed-4248587

Genuinely can’t recall last time I read anything as detached from reality as this, and I’m including novels in that. 

Quote
 It’s claimed Tottenham would be interested in Luiz, who finds himself slipping down the pecking order at Villa Park amid increasing competition.

What a load of horse shit

A horse would be embarrassed dropping that in the street.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: wolfman999 on August 09, 2023, 03:25:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 09, 2023, 03:20:04 PM
Ross Barkley signs for Luton 

Another one slips through the net. Emery and Monchi out!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SamTheMouse on August 09, 2023, 03:37:25 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 09, 2023, 12:22:29 PM
Those are very ‘Moyes’ signings and the suggestion MON would have signed them is absolutely spot on. 

They don’t suggest progressive modern football, regardless of the qualities they bring.

David Moyes strikes me as the sort of person who, in the words of Frankie Boyle, spends his holidays abroad pointing at a picture of egg and chips on a menu.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on August 09, 2023, 03:58:02 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulTheVillan on August 09, 2023, 12:12:08 PM
If MON was still our manager, we'd have signed Maguire and JWP

They suit the kind of football Moyes wants to play. But I'd say he is on borrowed time at the athletics grounds despite the Euro trophy (16 points less in PL than season before). Many reports of serious discontent at board level whether to back Moyes or the DoF. Can't imagine any DoF keen to sanction those two signings and the likes of Ings last Jan with little or no resale value. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on August 09, 2023, 03:58:08 PM
			

			

				It feels like we're done.

I've no doubt Emery is going to lead us through an exciting season, but I feel we're light up front.  Cam hasn't done enough for me to feel we could comfortably rely on him if the worst happens to Ollie.  I'm not sure a 5ft 7 Diaby is a viable choice to lead the line either.

We're also light at right back, but clearly, there is a plan there.  Even so, if we're not signing one I would have liked the option of Young to fall back on.

Bearing in mind there were confident estimates of £100-£150m spend this summer I'm slightly disappointed, albeit very pleased with the quality of who we have signed.  (well mainly - there's no doubting Torres' pedigree, but I worry about him defensively in the PL)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on August 09, 2023, 04:00:29 PM
			

			

				I don't think we're done at all. I think we have a few others and we're in a waiting game on them.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on August 09, 2023, 04:01:18 PM
			

			

				I dont think we're done. Emery has said that he'd like to add more so I think they will try to at least. 

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on August 09, 2023, 04:02:54 PM
			

			

				You may both be right.  I know we do business very quietly, but the links seem to have completely dried up.  It's just got that end of window feel for me already.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Mister E on August 09, 2023, 04:08:21 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on August 09, 2023, 04:02:54 PM
You may both be right.  I know we do business very quietly, but the links seem to have completely dried up.  It's just got that end of window feel for me already.
20 days to go; hold onto your seats!! ((c) Vancouver Villan?)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: CT Villan on August 09, 2023, 04:09:02 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 09, 2023, 02:48:00 PM
Quote from: not3bad on August 09, 2023, 02:24:57 PM
I hope this shows that Birmingham World indulges in rubbish as much as Insider, Fancast et al. Would Tyler Adams really be an upgrade on Luiz?! https://www.birminghamworld.uk/sport/football/aston-villa/aston-villa-make-decision-on-midfielder-with-transfer-on-the-verge-of-being-sealed-4248587

Genuinely can’t recall last time I read anything as detached from reality as this, and I’m including novels in that. 

Quote
 It’s claimed Tottenham would be interested in Luiz, who finds himself slipping down the pecking order at Villa Park amid increasing competition.
 
I guess we now know who FV is writing for during his H&V sabbatical !
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on August 09, 2023, 04:18:13 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on August 09, 2023, 03:58:08 PM
It feels like we're done.

I've no doubt Emery is going to lead us through an exciting season, but I feel we're light up front.  Cam hasn't done enough for me to feel we could comfortably rely on him if the worst happens to Ollie.  I'm not sure a 5ft 7 Diaby is a viable choice to lead the line either.

We're also light at right back, but clearly, there is a plan there.  Even so, if we're not signing one I would have liked the option of Young to fall back on.

Bearing in mind there were confident estimates of £100-£150m spend this summer I'm slightly disappointed, albeit very pleased with the quality of who we have signed.  (well mainly - there's no doubting Torres' pedigree, but I worry about him defensively in the PL)

I don’t think so, don’t see any negative in not being linked with every Tom, Dick & Harry Maguire either.

I wouldn’t be surprised if there is only one more and for it to be done in last couple of days of window once we have a better idea of whether we are heading to group stages.

Feel the next week or two will be more about exits, Traore, A Ramsey etc & the youngsters to go on loan, stay around.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on August 09, 2023, 04:22:26 PM
			

			

				If we don’t get anymore in I suspect something has gone wrong. I think there is definitely intent to do more.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 09, 2023, 04:31:47 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Mister E on August 09, 2023, 04:08:21 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on August 09, 2023, 04:02:54 PM
You may both be right.  I know we do business very quietly, but the links seem to have completely dried up.  It's just got that end of window feel for me already.
20 days to go; hold onto your seats!! ((c) Vancouver Villan?)

Seattle. Bless his cotton socks.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: TelfordVilla on August 09, 2023, 04:32:16 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Gareth on August 09, 2023, 04:18:13 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on August 09, 2023, 03:58:08 PM
It feels like we're done.

I've no doubt Emery is going to lead us through an exciting season, but I feel we're light up front.  Cam hasn't done enough for me to feel we could comfortably rely on him if the worst happens to Ollie.  I'm not sure a 5ft 7 Diaby is a viable choice to lead the line either.

We're also light at right back, but clearly, there is a plan there.  Even so, if we're not signing one I would have liked the option of Young to fall back on.

Bearing in mind there were confident estimates of £100-£150m spend this summer I'm slightly disappointed, albeit very pleased with the quality of who we have signed.  (well mainly - there's no doubting Torres' pedigree, but I worry about him defensively in the PL)

I don’t think so, don’t see any negative in not being linked with every Tom, Dick & Harry Maguire either.

I wouldn’t be surprised if there is only one more and for it to be done in last couple of days of window once we have a better idea of whether we are heading to group stages.

Feel the next week or two will be more about exits, Traore, A Ramsey etc & the youngsters to go on loan, stay around.
    Tom dick and Harry maguire. Surely they are all the same person. Well two of them anyway. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on August 09, 2023, 04:38:52 PM
			

			

				There's only so many times the tabloid media can link us to the same players before it stops getting clicks. 

The shift seems to be the season starting, which is understandable. 

I think we would like a couple more but we also need to move some on, otherwise you risk spoiling the 'small family' ethos that Emery's trying to establish. 

There was a couple of interesting Monchi quotes about building from stability and even when there's money available to spend, to use it responsibly. Polar opposite to clubs like Chelsea who say their squad's too big and then go and buy several other players to add to it. I'd prefer the aforementioned approach. 

If we could move Dendoncker (who hasn't had any involvement in pre-season) and Bailey on, we could still bring in Brennan Johnson and Tyler Adams, or similar. Then that may be it. And maybe add a striker and goalkeeper in the next couple of windows. 

We can't do it all in one window. That would be contrary to what they've said about building from stability. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on August 09, 2023, 04:41:09 PM
			

			

				I think we will bring in two more. We cannot take a gamble on Ollie staying fit for the whole season and Duran and Cameron aren’t ready to cover a load of games. I think there might be a surprise sale as well but not sure who. Right back and another utility forward in, someone very much like a Brennan Johnson.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: andyh on August 09, 2023, 04:42:01 PM
			

			

				hasn't Dendonker been given compassionate (paternity) leave, rather than being left out for ulterior reasons ? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on August 09, 2023, 04:42:50 PM
			

			

				Not the whole summer though Andy? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 09, 2023, 04:43:17 PM
			

			

				I suspect we need to trim the squad before we buy again. One in one out seems sensible now. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on August 09, 2023, 04:47:35 PM
			

			

				I think Emery / Monchi will see how the first few games go before dipping a toe back into the market
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on August 09, 2023, 04:52:02 PM
			

			

				where's Vinnie.. are we done? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on August 09, 2023, 04:53:27 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: VillaTim on August 09, 2023, 04:47:35 PM
I think Emery / Monchi will see how the first few games go before dipping a toe back into the market

Doubt that’ll have a material influence. I suspect there plan is their plan and won’t be dictated by what happens in two games.


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 09, 2023, 04:53:42 PM
			

			

				I know it's "only" the Conference but technically we still can't guarantee European football until the playoffs are done. Obviously the second leg is a day before the window closes, hopefully we won't be cutting it that fine, but as others have said there may be one or two more in the works that will go down to the wire for several reasons. 

I'm more surprised that more haven't left to be honest. I'd be happy to keep most of the players that are still here, or the ones that have featured in preseason anyway, assuming they're all happy to play a specific role as part of the bigger plan. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on August 09, 2023, 05:00:31 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: andyh on August 09, 2023, 04:42:01 PM
hasn't Dendonker been given compassionate (paternity) leave, rather than being left out for ulterior reasons ?

Correct but don't think he's an Emery type player in any case. Competing with Kamara, Luiz, Tielemans, arguably McGinn for one of two spots. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on August 09, 2023, 05:22:10 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: villadelph on August 09, 2023, 04:52:02 PM
where's Vinnie.. are we done? 

Last he mentioned we still wanted Johnson from Forest. I don’t think we are done at all. I still think a forward comes in and even a winger. A lot will still happen between now and the deadline as players/agents/clubs all get a bit more anxious. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on August 09, 2023, 05:22:11 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 09, 2023, 04:53:42 PM
I know it's "only" the Conference but technically we still can't guarantee European football until the playoffs are done. Obviously the second leg is a day before the window closes, hopefully we won't be cutting it that fine, but as others have said there may be one or two more in the works that will go down to the wire for several reasons. 

I'm more surprised that more haven't left to be honest. I'd be happy to keep most of the players that are still here, or the ones that have featured in preseason anyway, assuming they're all happy to play a specific role as part of the bigger plan. 

I suspect any delay at this point is on the other side not with us. So teams that won't sell until they have a replacement or players who are holding back to see hat other offers they get and/or if they can force their way back in at their current club and/or waiting to see what level of football is on offer where they are currently.

Look at people like Enrico Chiesa and Ferran Torres who aren't available to us today but might be in 2 weeks time and i think you're in the right area for where any remaining business will be. a 2nd keeper who becomes available after all the merry-go-round is complete seems possible as well.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on August 09, 2023, 05:31:41 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: andyh on August 09, 2023, 04:42:01 PM
hasn't Dendonker been given compassionate (paternity) leave, rather than being left out for ulterior reasons ? 

How long does it take to recover from smoking yourself silly down the pub while the missus pushes out your co-creation?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RamboandBruno on August 09, 2023, 05:40:07 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on August 09, 2023, 05:31:41 PM
Quote from: andyh on August 09, 2023, 04:42:01 PM
hasn't Dendonker been given compassionate (paternity) leave, rather than being left out for ulterior reasons ? 

How long does it take to recover from smoking yourself silly down the pub while the missus pushes out your co-creation?

Wetting the babys head can be the worst hangovers though, especially if its his first, its the end of Donks freedom and he may gone large. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on August 09, 2023, 05:42:25 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: RamboandBruno on August 09, 2023, 05:40:07 PM
Quote from: eamonn on August 09, 2023, 05:31:41 PM
Quote from: andyh on August 09, 2023, 04:42:01 PM
hasn't Dendonker been given compassionate (paternity) leave, rather than being left out for ulterior reasons ? 

How long does it take to recover from smoking yourself silly down the pub while the missus pushes out your co-creation?

Wetting the babys head can be the worst hangovers though, especially if its his first, its the end of Donks freedom and he may gone large. 
Yes half a bottle of cask strength single malt and several large cigars does do some damage.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 09, 2023, 05:43:03 PM
			

			

				First world problem, but the window shutting the day after clubs discover whether they might have 10-15 extra games to play is bloody ridiculous.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 09, 2023, 05:46:52 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 09, 2023, 05:22:10 PM
I still think a forward comes in and even a winger. A lot will still happen between now and the deadline as players/agents/clubs all get a bit more anxious. 

I think seeing Watkins go down injured the other day would certainly help focus the mind if Unai's mind needed focusing (which I very much doubt) on another striker. Yes we have Archer but he will rightly need time to grow into the role.

Somethings got to give too on right back Gonzalo Montiel. He wants out of Seville and River Plate are more than willing to welcome him back which indicates he won't be expensive. Reports in Spain claim his future will be decided this week.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on August 09, 2023, 05:46:59 PM
			

			

				If we can't beat Hibs or Luzern, we've got bigger problems than the transfer window closing. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on August 09, 2023, 06:03:11 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on August 09, 2023, 05:46:59 PM
If we can't beat Hibs or Luzern, we've got bigger problems than the transfer window closing. 

I bet we could both of them at the same time!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john2710 on August 09, 2023, 06:04:01 PM
			

			

				I don't think we're done. The players that were available have been bought, the remaining are players or clubs weighing up their options.

We might have options, including selling Archer to fund another forward. But I think January has shown us Emery won't sign anyone unless they are an improvement on or offer a different skill set to those we have. 

But if Emery is happy with what we have, I'll trust his greater knowledge.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on August 09, 2023, 06:18:42 PM
			

			

				If we are done, I'd still consider it a pretty good but of business that we've done. Wes & Marv have got decent clubs to go to, and with Ash Young going too we've trimmed the squad a bit without really losing that much strength to the squad. The players we've brought in will all improve the first team, never mind the squad.

I mean, I don't think there's been a suggestion that we're done yet from Emery or Monchi, so quite excited to see if there are any other improvements.

I'm less bothered about Olsen than most here, glad he's not our first choice but I think of you look at most teams second choice keeper, they ain't going to be an awful lot better. However, think if we could get in a Tom Heaton type signing who's a bit older and OK with the prospect of 10-15 games a season then we absolutely should go for that.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 09, 2023, 06:29:17 PM
			

			

				I think it's still hard to know if Archer can be relied upon at this level. He didn't set preseason on fire but a) he did have international duty, and b) did he play with the same lineup in any of the preseason games he featured in? 

By all accounts he did very well on loan last year, presumably playing within basically the same lineup every week. I don't think we can say he's had a chance to build that kind of relationship with the players here, and the only we we'll get an accurate idea of if he can cut it is to give him that game time. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on August 09, 2023, 07:27:49 PM
			

			

				I think the Conference league could be the making of players like Archer. The pitfall of signing another out-and-out striker would be that it would deny Archer the opportunity to grow into a potential option for us. The answer to that is to sign someone who could play across the front line, so a Ferran or Johnson type. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 09, 2023, 08:00:03 PM
			

			

				We should be buying the sort of player we need the most, not the sort that suits Archer’s development. 

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on August 09, 2023, 08:30:21 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 09, 2023, 08:00:03 PM
We should be buying the sort of player we need the most, not the sort that suits Archer’s development.

I agree, but the it's possible that the sort of player that suits Archer's development is the sort of player we need.

I'm not necessarily arguing that it is, mind.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: N'ZMAV on August 09, 2023, 08:34:01 PM
			

			

				another striker needed - if Archer is that good, like people suggest, then he'll get his chance 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on August 09, 2023, 08:40:26 PM
			

			

				Does anyone know of a striker who is as good as Watkins, guaranteed to get 15 Premier League goals a season, within our budget, and happy to sit on the bench?

Asking for a friend.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 09, 2023, 08:44:27 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on August 09, 2023, 08:40:26 PM
Does anyone know of a striker who is as good as Watkins, guaranteed to get 15 Premier League goals a season, within our budget, and happy to sit on the bench?

Asking for a friend.

Taking that argument no team would ever get a decent second striker. 

Archer has scored zero Premier League goals. That’s the problem. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on August 09, 2023, 08:45:11 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on August 09, 2023, 08:40:26 PM
Does anyone know of a striker who is as good as Watkins, guaranteed to get 15 Premier League goals a season, within our budget, and happy to sit on the bench?

Asking for a friend.

That's not the description of what anyone is asking for us to sign though is it?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on August 09, 2023, 08:46:32 PM
			

			

				I think in Duran and Archer we have 2 talented up and coming strikers that need a chance.  Ones realistically that we would be excited if we had bought.  

They might turn out to not be good enough but what else can we realistically do.  Our only other option is to get a less good striker to play second fiddle, which is basically Danny Ings?

Personally, I think our money is better spent improving the rest of the squad rather than hoping for a unicorn.  


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: N'ZMAV on August 09, 2023, 08:47:51 PM
			

			

				I want better than Watkins :) 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on August 09, 2023, 08:48:45 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 09, 2023, 08:44:27 PM
Quote from: Dogtanian on August 09, 2023, 08:40:26 PM
Does anyone know of a striker who is as good as Watkins, guaranteed to get 15 Premier League goals a season, within our budget, and happy to sit on the bench?

Asking for a friend.

Taking that argument no team would ever get a decent second striker. 

Archer has scored zero Premier League goals. That’s the problem.
tbf, so had watkins.  Most strikers signed by PL teams have either not really played in the PL, or have but are a bit shit.   


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 09, 2023, 08:49:27 PM
			

			

				still think there is going to be one more exciting signing yet 


no idea who  but maybe watch out for a Felix near the end of August 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on August 09, 2023, 08:49:35 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 09, 2023, 08:47:51 PM
I want better than Watkins :)
100% either upgrade watkins - or stick with what we have.  Were not getting someone to play second fiddle without spending 40m, and that's not happening.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on August 09, 2023, 08:54:51 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on August 09, 2023, 08:45:11 PM
Quote from: Dogtanian on August 09, 2023, 08:40:26 PM
Does anyone know of a striker who is as good as Watkins, guaranteed to get 15 Premier League goals a season, within our budget, and happy to sit on the bench?

Asking for a friend.

That's not the description of what anyone is asking for us to sign though is it?

Isn’t it? I keep reading people saying that expecting Watkins to be fit for an entire season is a big risk, so we need to sign a striker…

To get someone better than Watkins is going to be both stupid money and also unlikely to sign for us.

Signing someone completely different means we then have to change to accommodate the backup if Watkins is out.

Signing someone who might be as good or better than Watkins is a gamble as who knows if they can step up.

So really, we must want a Watkins clone, capable of slotting in and happy twiddling his thumbs if Watkins isn’t injured.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on August 09, 2023, 08:55:10 PM
			

			

				Surely we can't be finished.  Three in, three out?  Numbers wise, we are not stronger than last year.  Four if we include Steer.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on August 09, 2023, 08:58:30 PM
			

			

				I think we have done the must-haves and are now waiting on developments. Either for players to leave and free up funds and spaces, or for the right players at the right price to be available.

We do tend to buy early and then it goes quiet and we talk about possible additions, but then it turns out we are done after all, so it wouldn’t surprise me either way.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 09, 2023, 09:00:23 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 09, 2023, 08:47:51 PM
I want better than Watkins :) 

He's gone to PSG.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: N'ZMAV on August 09, 2023, 09:02:13 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 09, 2023, 09:00:23 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 09, 2023, 08:47:51 PM
I want better than Watkins :) 

He's gone to PSG.
 and who is that?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 09, 2023, 09:04:36 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Beard82 on August 09, 2023, 08:49:35 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 09, 2023, 08:47:51 PM
I want better than Watkins :)
100% either upgrade watkins - or stick with what we have.  Were not getting someone to play second fiddle without spending 40m, and that's not happening.  

Watkins is not the problem. 

Nor is not having anyone else as good as him. 

The problem is that should he get injured or plain knackered, the gap down to our next option is way too big 

I keep saying this but we need to stop thinking about players being starters or not starters. We need to think about having the deepest pool of the best players we can get and the starting eleven consists of the players who are both available and most suited to play the next match. 

At CB for eaample we have an abundance of riches. In terms of strikers we have Watkins and then nothing but a couple of raw kids. 

Nobody is expecting us to sign the new Haaland but what we do need is someone as close to Watkins quality as we can possibly get  

Surely that’s not that controversial an opinion?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 09, 2023, 09:06:24 PM
			

			

				For example - Newcastle have Isaak and Wilson. Surely we can aspire to that sort of quality?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: N'ZMAV on August 09, 2023, 09:09:21 PM
			

			

				tell Dogtanian so he can tell his friend 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dave.woodhall on August 09, 2023, 09:12:11 PM
			

			

				If the other top six aspirants can manage one on the pitch and one on the bench I don't see why we can’t.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 09, 2023, 09:14:48 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 09, 2023, 09:12:11 PM
If the other top six aspirants can manage one on the pitch and one on the bench I don't see why we can’t.

I hate to even think this but I do wonder if this will turn out to be yet another season of "one player short"
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on August 09, 2023, 09:21:21 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on August 09, 2023, 08:54:51 PM
Quote from: Dave on August 09, 2023, 08:45:11 PM
Quote from: Dogtanian on August 09, 2023, 08:40:26 PM
Does anyone know of a striker who is as good as Watkins, guaranteed to get 15 Premier League goals a season, within our budget, and happy to sit on the bench?

Asking for a friend.

That's not the description of what anyone is asking for us to sign though is it?

Isn’t it? I keep reading people saying that expecting Watkins to be fit for an entire season is a big risk, so we need to sign a striker…

To get someone better than Watkins is going to be both stupid money and also unlikely to sign for us.

Signing someone completely different means we then have to change to accommodate the backup if Watkins is out.

Signing someone who might be as good or better than Watkins is a gamble as who knows if they can step up.

So really, we must want a Watkins clone, capable of slotting in and happy twiddling his thumbs if Watkins isn’t injured.

Firstly, I think there are probably about half a dozen players in world football who are "guaranteed to get 15 Premier League goals" in a season. We've never had one in thirty years. And anyone who does meet that description now wouldn't be joining us anyway.

As Paulie says, it's not a case of "as good as Watkins" it's "more able to fit in to our current squad requirements for four competitions than Archer and Duran currently are". There's a big space between those two things.

There are also people who think we should be trying to replace Watkins. I don't think that's realistic as the strikers who are obviously better than Watkins aren't coming to us. But those people don't want to sign that player to sit on the bench, they want Watkins to be the player on the bench.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 09, 2023, 09:29:36 PM
			

			

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Ornstein is not some footyinsider moron, he's John Percy levels of truth.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on August 09, 2023, 09:30:06 PM
			

			

				I don't think we're going to throw money at things.  They haven't to date, and I don't see that changing.

We will spend aggressively to get what we need - but I don't think the club will buy competition or upgrade for Watkins unless a fantastic deal becomes available. 

We have 2 promising young strikers - both of which we would be excited about if we had just signed them.  I don't think we're spending 60m on a player anytime soon unless we think they're absolutely crucial - and tbf a forward that is worth it would have been bought by Man Utd or Byren - as they're both shopping for one.  

Newcastle may have done it  - but effectively they have £60m for a player that is, broadly speaking, at a similar level to Watkins and Wilson.  Archer and Duran might both turn out to be shite at this level - but neither has a proper chance, and personally, we have 1 right back, 1 fit left back, and a reserve goalie who wouldn't even be a competent barman. I would prioritize those positions above it. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 09, 2023, 09:30:31 PM
			

			

				I think with Ramsey and Archer, it's worth remembering, it's not just about the sums they fetch for FFP purposes, it's that they are both home grown, which is FFP gold dust.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 09, 2023, 09:31:01 PM
			

			

				If we sell Archer too, even with a buyback clause, we have to be looking at bringing someone else in. No way we go into the season expecting Watkins to play every single game with only Durán as back up. Something must be in the works. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 09, 2023, 09:32:10 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Beard82 on August 09, 2023, 09:30:06 PM
I don't think we're going to throw money at things.  They haven't to date, and I don't see that changing.

We will spend aggressively to get what we need - but I don't think the club will buy competition or upgrade for Watkins unless a fantastic deal becomes available. 

We have 2 promising young strikers - both of which we would be excited about if we had just signed them.  I don't think we're spending 60m on a player anytime soon unless we think they're absolutely crucial - and tbf a forward that is worth it would have been bought by Man Utd or Byren - as they're both shopping for one.  

Newcastle may have done it  - but effectively they have £60m for a player that is, broadly speaking, at a similar level to Watkins and Wilson.  Archer and Duran might both turn out to be shite at this level - but neither has a proper chance, and personally, we have 1 right back, 1 fit left back, and a reserve goalie who wouldn't even be a competent barman. I would prioritize those positions above it. 

Who is talking about spending £60m on a player?

In the Isaak and Wilson example, Isaak and Watkins are the 60m players. We've already got that one.

It's not someone as good as Isaak or Watkins we need, it's someone as good as Wilson.


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 09, 2023, 09:33:01 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 09, 2023, 09:31:01 PM
If we sell Archer too, even with a buyback clause, we have to be looking at bringing someone else in. No way we go into the season expecting Watkins to play every single game with only Durán as back up. Something must be in the works. 

Mbappe hasn't gone anywhere yet, has he?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 09, 2023, 09:33:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 09, 2023, 09:31:01 PM
If we sell Archer too, even with a buyback clause, we have to be looking at bringing someone else in. No way we go into the season expecting Watkins to play every single game with only Durán as back up. Something must be in the works. 

Absolutely.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 09, 2023, 09:36:27 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 09, 2023, 09:02:13 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 09, 2023, 09:00:23 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 09, 2023, 08:47:51 PM
I want better than Watkins :) 

He's gone to PSG.
 and who is that?

Gonçalo Ramos, 27 goals last season for Benfica, 4 at the World Cup, 22 years old, two footed, technically gifted, good with his head..yours for £56m..too late! Sold!

It will be interesting to see who Benfica bring in now, it should be exactly in our price range as from that £56m ten went to agents fees and they're not going to spend £44m on a striker. No chance. My guess is around £25m-£30m max.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 09, 2023, 09:39:57 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on August 09, 2023, 09:33:01 PM
Quote from: AV84 on August 09, 2023, 09:31:01 PM
If we sell Archer too, even with a buyback clause, we have to be looking at bringing someone else in. No way we go into the season expecting Watkins to play every single game with only Durán as back up. Something must be in the works. 

Mbappe hasn't gone anywhere yet, has he?

I saw something earlier that suggested he'd agreed a deal with a Prem side but it fell through. Can only assume he heard we'd be in the market very soon. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on August 09, 2023, 09:48:58 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 09, 2023, 09:32:10 PM
Quote from: Beard82 on August 09, 2023, 09:30:06 PM
I don't think we're going to throw money at things.  They haven't to date, and I don't see that changing.

We will spend aggressively to get what we need - but I don't think the club will buy competition or upgrade for Watkins unless a fantastic deal becomes available. 

We have 2 promising young strikers - both of which we would be excited about if we had just signed them.  I don't think we're spending 60m on a player anytime soon unless we think they're absolutely crucial - and tbf a forward that is worth it would have been bought by Man Utd or Byren - as they're both shopping for one.  

Newcastle may have done it  - but effectively they have £60m for a player that is, broadly speaking, at a similar level to Watkins and Wilson.  Archer and Duran might both turn out to be shite at this level - but neither has a proper chance, and personally, we have 1 right back, 1 fit left back, and a reserve goalie who wouldn't even be a competent barman. I would prioritize those positions above it. 

Who is talking about spending £60m on a player?

In the Isaak and Wilson example, Isaak and Watkins are the 60m players. We've already got that one.

It's not someone as good as Isaak or Watkins we need, it's someone as good as Wilson.
I think, most non villa fans would put Wilson on a similar level to Wtakins - Wilson gets in the England squad ahead of him.  And in all fairness, we properly had him in Danny Ings.  

If we sell Archer, then there is a plan at foot - if not, I think that's what we're banking on - rightly or wrongly.  

I think its also worth mentioning that signing a backup is much harder.  Does Wilson go to Newcastle to play backup if Isak is already there? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ger Regan on August 09, 2023, 09:50:06 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 09, 2023, 09:30:31 PM
I think with Ramsey and Archer, it's worth remembering, it's not just about the sums they fetch for FFP purposes, it's that they are both home grown, which is FFP gold dust.
Am i right in thinking that, assuming we got 14m for ramsey and 20m for archer, that would easily cancel out this seasons amortisation costs for our new signings so far? We would absolutely need another striker were that to happen though (although someone like Brennan Johnson would be fine for me, as opposed to an out-and-out striker)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 09, 2023, 09:51:32 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 09, 2023, 09:39:57 PM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on August 09, 2023, 09:33:01 PM
Quote from: AV84 on August 09, 2023, 09:31:01 PM
If we sell Archer too, even with a buyback clause, we have to be looking at bringing someone else in. No way we go into the season expecting Watkins to play every single game with only Durán as back up. Something must be in the works. 

Mbappe hasn't gone anywhere yet, has he?

I saw something earlier that suggested he'd agreed a deal with a Prem side but it fell through. Can only assume he heard we'd be in the market very soon.

Surely he must realise that working with Unai and his coaches will only improve him as a player. :)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on August 09, 2023, 09:52:16 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ger Regan on August 09, 2023, 09:50:06 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 09, 2023, 09:30:31 PM
I think with Ramsey and Archer, it's worth remembering, it's not just about the sums they fetch for FFP purposes, it's that they are both home grown, which is FFP gold dust.
Am i right in thinking that, assuming we got 14m for ramsey and 20m for archer, that would easily cancel out this seasons amortisation costs for our new signings so far? We would absolutely need another striker were that to happen though (although someone like Brennan Johnson would be fine for me, as opposed to an out-and-out striker)
Doesnt that also mean that FFP is bollocks - if we sell 2 players that cost us nothing on low wages and buy someone new on high wages - how are we in a better position in the real world?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 09, 2023, 09:52:29 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Beard82 on August 09, 2023, 09:48:58 PM
I think, most non villa fans would put Wilson on a similar level to Wtakins - Wilson gets in the England squad ahead of him.  And in all fairness, we properly had him in Danny Ings.  

If we sell Archer, then there is a plan at foot - if not, I think that's what we're banking on - rightly or wrongly.  

I think its also worth mentioning that signing a backup is much harder.  Does Wilson go to Newcastle to play backup if Isak is already there? 

That doesn't really change our situation, though.

Signing players to play in positions where there's an established player is always going to be a challenge, but it happens all the time. 

It didn't stop us signing Pau Torres as a left footer CB when we have an extremely embedded left footed CB in place.

Unless you think it's really impossible for us to acquire a more match-ready striker than Duran and Archer?


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 09, 2023, 09:52:57 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ger Regan on August 09, 2023, 09:50:06 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 09, 2023, 09:30:31 PM
I think with Ramsey and Archer, it's worth remembering, it's not just about the sums they fetch for FFP purposes, it's that they are both home grown, which is FFP gold dust.

Am i right in thinking that, assuming we got 14m for ramsey and 20m for archer, that would easily cancel out this seasons amortisation costs for our new signings so far? 

The profit on them would easily be double the amortisation on the new signings for one year.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 09, 2023, 09:54:27 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Beard82 on August 09, 2023, 09:52:16 PM
Quote from: Ger Regan on August 09, 2023, 09:50:06 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 09, 2023, 09:30:31 PM
I think with Ramsey and Archer, it's worth remembering, it's not just about the sums they fetch for FFP purposes, it's that they are both home grown, which is FFP gold dust.
Am i right in thinking that, assuming we got 14m for ramsey and 20m for archer, that would easily cancel out this seasons amortisation costs for our new signings so far? We would absolutely need another striker were that to happen though (although someone like Brennan Johnson would be fine for me, as opposed to an out-and-out striker)
Doesnt that also mean that FFP is bollocks - if we sell 2 players that cost us nothing on low wages and buy someone new on high wages - how are we in a better position in the real world?

Not sure that question makes sense.

If we sell players who are youth products, we get to book the entire transfer fee in whichever period we want to, so we could sell Ramsey and Archer for say 40m and book the entire lot to this year's FFP if we wanted. That gives us immense room for maneouvre.

FFP is absolutely a thing, look at the state of Wolves and Everton for proof of that.

The absolute saving grace for us in our recent transfer activity has been 120m for two homegrown players.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on August 09, 2023, 09:56:51 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 09, 2023, 09:52:29 PM
Quote from: Beard82 on August 09, 2023, 09:48:58 PM
I think, most non villa fans would put Wilson on a similar level to Wtakins - Wilson gets in the England squad ahead of him.  And in all fairness, we properly had him in Danny Ings.  

If we sell Archer, then there is a plan at foot - if not, I think that's what we're banking on - rightly or wrongly.  

I think its also worth mentioning that signing a backup is much harder.  Does Wilson go to Newcastle to play backup if Isak is already there? 

That doesn't really change our situation, though.

Signing players to play in positions where there's an established player is always going to be a challenge, but it happens all the time. 

It didn't stop us signing Pau Torres as a left footer CB when we have an extremely embedded left footed CB in place.

Unless you think it's really impossible for us to acquire a more match-ready striker than Duran and Archer?
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Unless you think it's really impossible for us to acquire a more match-ready striker than Duran and Archer?
TBH, I think that is a big ask.  outside the top 8, how many other teams forwards are you taking from the PL for example?  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 09, 2023, 09:58:14 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Beard82 on August 09, 2023, 09:56:51 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 09, 2023, 09:52:29 PM
Quote from: Beard82 on August 09, 2023, 09:48:58 PM
I think, most non villa fans would put Wilson on a similar level to Wtakins - Wilson gets in the England squad ahead of him.  And in all fairness, we properly had him in Danny Ings.  

If we sell Archer, then there is a plan at foot - if not, I think that's what we're banking on - rightly or wrongly.  

I think its also worth mentioning that signing a backup is much harder.  Does Wilson go to Newcastle to play backup if Isak is already there? 

That doesn't really change our situation, though.

Signing players to play in positions where there's an established player is always going to be a challenge, but it happens all the time. 

It didn't stop us signing Pau Torres as a left footer CB when we have an extremely embedded left footed CB in place.

Unless you think it's really impossible for us to acquire a more match-ready striker than Duran and Archer?
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Unless you think it's really impossible for us to acquire a more match-ready striker than Duran and Archer?
TBH, I think that is a big ask.  outside the top 8, how many other teams forwards are you taking from the PL for example?  

Neither of Duran or Archer has ever scored a single Premier League goal.

You reckon we can't sign a striker more proven than that?

Put it this way, imagine in three weeks time, Watkins picks up a bad injury, or even a half-bad one, who is playing in his role for us while we wait for him to recover?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on August 09, 2023, 10:00:09 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Beard82 on August 09, 2023, 09:56:51 PM
TBH, I think that is a big ask.  outside the top 8, how many other teams forwards are you taking from the PL for example? 

Why would we need to sign our potential new striker from the bottom 14 Premier League teams?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on August 09, 2023, 10:00:27 PM
			

			

				I think we need another forward who can play in Watkins role.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on August 09, 2023, 10:02:02 PM
			

			

				
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I think with Ramsey and Archer, it's worth remembering, it's not just about the sums they fetch for FFP purposes, it's that they are both home grown, which is FFP gold dust.
Am i right in thinking that, assuming we got 14m for ramsey and 20m for archer, that would easily cancel out this seasons amortisation costs for our new signings so far? We would absolutely need another striker were that to happen though (although someone like Brennan Johnson would be fine for me, as opposed to an out-and-out striker)
Doesnt that also mean that FFP is bollocks - if we sell 2 players that cost us nothing on low wages and buy someone new on high wages - how are we in a better position in the real world?

Not sure that question makes sense.

If we sell players who are youth products, we get to book the entire transfer fee in whichever period we want to, so we could sell Ramsey and Archer for say 40m and book the entire lot to this year's FFP if we wanted. That gives us immense room for maneouvre.

FFP is absolutely a thing, look at the state of Wolves and Everton for proof of that.

The absolute saving grace for us in our recent transfer activity has been 120m for two homegrown players.
Sorry, Im not questioning that FFP is a thing.  but what doesn't make sense to me is how selling 40m gives us anything more to play with than £40m?

I'm not trying to be smart, hopefully by now you guys know I'm anything but smart, but In my head, if we sell a house for 200k, and buy another house for 200k were in the same position?

Obviously, I get we could sell a "bad" house and buy a "good" house - but in reality, most of the time, prices are set by the market so any bargain is within a finite scope
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on August 09, 2023, 10:04:36 PM
			

			

				Im not saying we cant buy a player more proven than Archer or Duran - but who realistically can we sign that isn't Danny Ings that would come, and would either cost less than 40m and play backup to Watkins, or cost more and be better than him?

Im not trying to be obtuse, and my knowledge beyond the UK is limited, but i personally don't see it 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 09, 2023, 10:05:35 PM
			

			

				I can see a Felix type signing, possibly on loan.  Funded by the sale of archer.

Just a hunch but I think they want to make a statement.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on August 09, 2023, 10:07:24 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 09, 2023, 10:05:35 PM
I can see a Felix type signing, possibly on loan.  Funded by the sale of archer.

Just a hunch but I think they want to make a statement.

Well I don’t think there’s a chance we’re selling Archer and not bringing another forward in.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 09, 2023, 10:09:32 PM
			

			

				
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I think with Ramsey and Archer, it's worth remembering, it's not just about the sums they fetch for FFP purposes, it's that they are both home grown, which is FFP gold dust.
Am i right in thinking that, assuming we got 14m for ramsey and 20m for archer, that would easily cancel out this seasons amortisation costs for our new signings so far? We would absolutely need another striker were that to happen though (although someone like Brennan Johnson would be fine for me, as opposed to an out-and-out striker)
Doesnt that also mean that FFP is bollocks - if we sell 2 players that cost us nothing on low wages and buy someone new on high wages - how are we in a better position in the real world?

Not sure that question makes sense.

If we sell players who are youth products, we get to book the entire transfer fee in whichever period we want to, so we could sell Ramsey and Archer for say 40m and book the entire lot to this year's FFP if we wanted. That gives us immense room for maneouvre.

FFP is absolutely a thing, look at the state of Wolves and Everton for proof of that.

The absolute saving grace for us in our recent transfer activity has been 120m for two homegrown players.
Sorry, Im not questioning that FFP is a thing.  but what doesn't make sense to me is how selling 40m gives us anything more to play with than £40m?

I'm not trying to be smart, hopefully by now you guys know I'm anything but smart, but In my head, if we sell a house for 200k, and buy another house for 200k were in the same position?

Obviously, I get we could sell a "bad" house and buy a "good" house - but in reality, most of the time, prices are set by the market so any bargain is within a finite scope

Because when we spend money on players from other clubs, for FFP purposes the fee is ammortised over the length of their contract.

If we sign Pau Torres for 25m on a 5 year contract, for FFP purposes he is considered as 5m a year for 5 years.

If we sell a home grown player, we get the entire fee as profit, obviously, which is a good start, but we also get to assign that entire amount to the current year if we want to.

So, if we sell Ramsey for 15m (changing the figures here for easier maths) then we can assign that entire sale price (which is 100% profit) to this year, which would cover the ammortisation cost for the year of three Pau Torreses.

This is what Man City and Chelsea are excellent at, yes, they throw huge amounts of money at it (too much in Man City's case, hence the charges, but that doesn't make this part wrong), but they also sell home grown players for big money which gives them room to maneouvre.

Newcastle, for example, theoretically have tons of money but can't spend it because they have raised almost zero from homegrown sales for a decade.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 09, 2023, 10:11:34 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Beard82 on August 09, 2023, 10:04:36 PM
Im not saying we cant buy a player more proven than Archer or Duran - but who realistically can we sign that isn't Danny Ings that would come, and would either cost less than 40m and play backup to Watkins, or cost more and be better than him?

Im not trying to be obtuse, and my knowledge beyond the UK is limited, but i personally don't see it 

We have an entire department of Monchi and his data minions to do exactly that.

Look at Brighton's modus operandi. It's way more complex than pulling a name out of the air, but it is still entirely doable.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Olof's Beard on August 09, 2023, 10:13:32 PM
			

			

				Watkins had scored 0 Premier League goals before he joined us.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on August 09, 2023, 10:18:42 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 09, 2023, 10:09:32 PM
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Quote from: Beard82 on August 09, 2023, 09:52:16 PM
Quote from: Ger Regan on August 09, 2023, 09:50:06 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 09, 2023, 09:30:31 PM
I think with Ramsey and Archer, it's worth remembering, it's not just about the sums they fetch for FFP purposes, it's that they are both home grown, which is FFP gold dust.
Am i right in thinking that, assuming we got 14m for ramsey and 20m for archer, that would easily cancel out this seasons amortisation costs for our new signings so far? We would absolutely need another striker were that to happen though (although someone like Brennan Johnson would be fine for me, as opposed to an out-and-out striker)
Doesnt that also mean that FFP is bollocks - if we sell 2 players that cost us nothing on low wages and buy someone new on high wages - how are we in a better position in the real world?

Not sure that question makes sense.

If we sell players who are youth products, we get to book the entire transfer fee in whichever period we want to, so we could sell Ramsey and Archer for say 40m and book the entire lot to this year's FFP if we wanted. That gives us immense room for maneouvre.

FFP is absolutely a thing, look at the state of Wolves and Everton for proof of that.

The absolute saving grace for us in our recent transfer activity has been 120m for two homegrown players.
Sorry, Im not questioning that FFP is a thing.  but what doesn't make sense to me is how selling 40m gives us anything more to play with than £40m?

I'm not trying to be smart, hopefully by now you guys know I'm anything but smart, but In my head, if we sell a house for 200k, and buy another house for 200k were in the same position?

Obviously, I get we could sell a "bad" house and buy a "good" house - but in reality, most of the time, prices are set by the market so any bargain is within a finite scope

Because when we spend money on players from other clubs, for FFP purposes the fee is ammortised over the length of their contract.

If we sign Pau Torres for 25m on a 5 year contract, for FFP purposes he is considered as 5m a year for 5 years.

If we sell a home grown player, we get the entire fee as profit, obviously, which is a good start, but we also get to assign that entire amount to the current year if we want to.

So, if we sell Ramsey for 15m (changing the figures here for easier maths) then we can assign that entire sale price (which is 100% profit) to this year, which would cover the ammortisation cost for the year of three Pau Torreses.

This is what Man City and Chelsea are excellent at, yes, they throw huge amounts of money at it (too much in Man City's case, hence the charges, but that doesn't make this part wrong), but they also sell home grown players for big money which gives them room to maneouvre.

Newcastle, for example, theoretically have tons of money but can't spend it because they have raised almost zero from homegrown sales for a decade.
Got you -thanks for the explanation, really clear - so if I own a house, and sell it - I bank the money.  If i buy a house I mortgage it and spread it over the length of the mortgage. 

I can see from an accounting perspective that makes sense.  Not sure it actually does what it's "meant to", i.e. stop clubs from spending money they don't have - as buying a player doesn't require you to be able to afford it (which I get is the same with businesses' assets).

Surely just means the best youth players are pretty much priceless as 10m in sales is worth 40m in purchases.  So clubs will find ways of corrupting the system to get valuable youths?  which is properly already happening.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on August 09, 2023, 10:20:33 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 09, 2023, 10:11:34 PM
Quote from: Beard82 on August 09, 2023, 10:04:36 PM
Im not saying we cant buy a player more proven than Archer or Duran - but who realistically can we sign that isn't Danny Ings that would come, and would either cost less than 40m and play backup to Watkins, or cost more and be better than him?

Im not trying to be obtuse, and my knowledge beyond the UK is limited, but i personally don't see it 

We have an entire department of Monchi and his data minions to do exactly that.

Look at Brighton's modus operandi. It's way more complex than pulling a name out of the air, but it is still entirely doable.
But isn't it basically that which bought us Duran?  I know it was Lange not Monchi - but that's what we did
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 09, 2023, 10:21:06 PM
			

			

				
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If we sell Archer too, even with a buyback clause, we have to be looking at bringing someone else in. No way we go into the season expecting Watkins to play every single game with only Durán as back up. Something must be in the works. 

Mbappe hasn't gone anywhere yet, has he?

I saw something earlier that suggested he'd agreed a deal with a Prem side but it fell through. Can only assume he heard we'd be in the market very soon.

Surely he must realise that working with Unai and his coaches will only improve him as a player. :)

He wants to win a European trophy and knows we're his best bet. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 09, 2023, 10:23:29 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Beard82 on August 09, 2023, 10:20:33 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 09, 2023, 10:11:34 PM
Quote from: Beard82 on August 09, 2023, 10:04:36 PM
Im not saying we cant buy a player more proven than Archer or Duran - but who realistically can we sign that isn't Danny Ings that would come, and would either cost less than 40m and play backup to Watkins, or cost more and be better than him?

Im not trying to be obtuse, and my knowledge beyond the UK is limited, but i personally don't see it 

We have an entire department of Monchi and his data minions to do exactly that.

Look at Brighton's modus operandi. It's way more complex than pulling a name out of the air, but it is still entirely doable.
But isn't it basically that which bought us Duran?  I know it was Lange not Monchi - but that's what we did

Duran as one for the future, I don't know who signed it off. But Duran quite clearly isn't ready for prime time yet, and wasn't bought for that. and if Watkins picks up an injury, it'd be either him or Archer having to do that.

If we're going to see ourselves as challengers for a Champions League place, then we are going to have to start building a team of stronger players, and that is going to mean that not all our youth products will go on to be a Grealish.

We're getting £14m for Ramsey. We'd probably get £20m plus for Archer.

That, with the FFP bonus, is a massive chunk of flexibility in terms of spending.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on August 09, 2023, 10:23:43 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Olof's Beard on August 09, 2023, 10:13:32 PM
Watkins had scored 0 Premier League goals before he joined us.

and we were a club that had just finished 17th in the league, not 7th. Completely different circumstances and different needs.

However I don't think premier league goals are essential but an ability to step up and be the main striker for 90minutes week in and week out for a while is, and many people don't think Archer or Duran are ready for that just yet. Don't forget that Watkins was 4/5 years older than those 2 when we signed him.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 09, 2023, 10:24:55 PM
			

			

				Also re ^^^ that, don't forget, we are putting in a buy back clause for Ramsey. There's a reason Man City routinely do that. It's clever long term thinking.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on August 09, 2023, 10:33:23 PM
			

			

				Thanks, Paulie for your patience.  I think where I am at is Im happy going into the new season with Archer and Duran.  If the club decides differently, I back the people we have in place to make those decisions.  I love seeing youth prospects come through, but trust Unai and Monchi to do what's right, but I wouldn't be surprised or disappointed if that is sticking rather than twisting. 

Obviously, as you guys know, I'm a massive ITK - and Rumours Emiliano Buendia is out for the season. MCL/ACL injury. 

Now that would be a bit of a bugger


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 09, 2023, 10:34:22 PM
			

			

				I'm not sure why people keep having the same argument/discussion about Watkins and the striker situation. 

The problem with our options being Watkins/Archer/Durán was always IF Watkins was injured. I think most people would have been fine with Archer as backup if we 100% knew Watkins could manage the increased work load and stay fit for the entire season. But we were always going to be one injury away from having no senior striker available. 

If we're now getting rid of Archer, we're one injury away from Durán being our main striker. 

To spend huge money and replace Watkins with someone better, we'd still be in the same position, one injury away from having to play Durán every game. 

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on August 09, 2023, 10:42:03 PM
			

			

				I think the balance we have in centre mid is perfect, for those 2 spots we have 3 'main' options in Luiz, Kamara and Tielemans, a steady backup in Donk and a few others who are either promising kids or can move over from other positions to fill in temporarily in an emergency.

We need to get to something similar in the attacking roles and I think that means someone who can rotate with either Watkins or Diaby. Looking at who we've been linked with I think there's 3-4 players who fit that sort of player. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on August 09, 2023, 10:45:50 PM
			

			

				I think it would be £25m for Archer + Add-Ons + Buy-back clause. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on August 09, 2023, 10:47:41 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 09, 2023, 10:34:22 PM
If we're now getting rid of Archer, we're one injury away from Durán being our main striker. 

To spend huge money and replace Watkins with someone better, we'd still be in the same position, one injury away from having to play Durán every game.

Why, where is Watkins going in this scenario?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 09, 2023, 10:48:26 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on August 09, 2023, 10:47:41 PM
Quote from: AV84 on August 09, 2023, 10:34:22 PM
If we're now getting rid of Archer, we're one injury away from Durán being our main striker. 

To spend huge money and replace Watkins with someone better, we'd still be in the same position, one injury away from having to play Durán every game.

Why, where is Watkins going in this scenario?

Where is Watkins going in the replace Watkins scenario? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 09, 2023, 10:49:35 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 09, 2023, 10:48:26 PM
Quote from: Dave on August 09, 2023, 10:47:41 PM
Quote from: AV84 on August 09, 2023, 10:34:22 PM
If we're now getting rid of Archer, we're one injury away from Durán being our main striker. 

To spend huge money and replace Watkins with someone better, we'd still be in the same position, one injury away from having to play Durán every game.

Why, where is Watkins going in this scenario?

Where is Watkins going in the replace Watkins scenario? 

Nobody is talking about replacing Watkins.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 09, 2023, 10:51:03 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 09, 2023, 10:49:35 PM
Quote from: AV84 on August 09, 2023, 10:48:26 PM
Quote from: Dave on August 09, 2023, 10:47:41 PM
Quote from: AV84 on August 09, 2023, 10:34:22 PM
If we're now getting rid of Archer, we're one injury away from Durán being our main striker. 

To spend huge money and replace Watkins with someone better, we'd still be in the same position, one injury away from having to play Durán every game.

Why, where is Watkins going in this scenario?

Where is Watkins going in the replace Watkins scenario? 

Nobody is talking about replacing Watkins.

Lots of people have been talking about replacing him with someone better. And I was specifically referencing those conversations when I said if we replace Watkins with someone better. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on August 09, 2023, 10:51:45 PM
			

			

				The first bit makes sense to me, if we sell archer and watkins gets injured then yes duran would be next in line if we don't sign anyone. Big if at the end there.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on August 09, 2023, 10:54:07 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 09, 2023, 10:48:26 PM
Quote from: Dave on August 09, 2023, 10:47:41 PM
Quote from: AV84 on August 09, 2023, 10:34:22 PM
If we're now getting rid of Archer, we're one injury away from Durán being our main striker. 

To spend huge money and replace Watkins with someone better, we'd still be in the same position, one injury away from having to play Durán every game.

Why, where is Watkins going in this scenario?

Where is Watkins going in the replace Watkins scenario?

If Torres takes Mings' place in the team, does that mean Mings is no longer our player?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 09, 2023, 10:56:44 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on August 09, 2023, 10:54:07 PM
Quote from: AV84 on August 09, 2023, 10:48:26 PM
Quote from: Dave on August 09, 2023, 10:47:41 PM
Quote from: AV84 on August 09, 2023, 10:34:22 PM
If we're now getting rid of Archer, we're one injury away from Durán being our main striker. 

To spend huge money and replace Watkins with someone better, we'd still be in the same position, one injury away from having to play Durán every game.

Why, where is Watkins going in this scenario?

Where is Watkins going in the replace Watkins scenario?

If Torres takes Mings' place in the team, does that mean Mings is no longer our player?

If people genuinely think we'd spend massive money one someone better than Watkins and then keep Watkins too, they're stupid. If we replace Watkins with someone better it's not his spot in the starting lineup that's gone. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: andyh on August 09, 2023, 10:59:53 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on August 09, 2023, 10:45:50 PM
I think it would be £25m for Archer + Add-Ons + Buy-back clause. 
Blimey I would hope for £10m plus…..£25m is a bit crazy

And…. Have we sold Keinan yet?

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on August 09, 2023, 11:00:57 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 09, 2023, 10:56:44 PM
Quote from: Dave on August 09, 2023, 10:54:07 PM
Quote from: AV84 on August 09, 2023, 10:48:26 PM
Quote from: Dave on August 09, 2023, 10:47:41 PM
Quote from: AV84 on August 09, 2023, 10:34:22 PM
If we're now getting rid of Archer, we're one injury away from Durán being our main striker. 

To spend huge money and replace Watkins with someone better, we'd still be in the same position, one injury away from having to play Durán every game.

Why, where is Watkins going in this scenario?

Where is Watkins going in the replace Watkins scenario?

If Torres takes Mings' place in the team, does that mean Mings is no longer our player?

If people genuinely think we'd spend massive money one someone better than Watkins and then keep Watkins too, they're stupid. If we replace Watkins with someone better it's not his spot in the starting lineup that's gone.
Wouldn’t thank mean we would have 12 players? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on August 09, 2023, 11:02:13 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: andyh on August 09, 2023, 10:59:53 PM
Quote from: OCD on August 09, 2023, 10:45:50 PM
I think it would be £25m for Archer + Add-Ons + Buy-back clause. 
Blimey I would hope for £10m plus…..£25m is a bit crazy

And…. Have we sold Keinan yet?
Shit yeah - and that Samatta guy - is he still on our books 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on August 09, 2023, 11:06:19 PM
			

			

				It's all more money to spend and with buy back clauses if they fulfill potential, imo it's smart.

I think we'll see at least a rb, a forward and possibly another cm come in
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on August 09, 2023, 11:11:56 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 09, 2023, 10:49:35 PM
Quote from: AV84 on August 09, 2023, 10:48:26 PM
Quote from: Dave on August 09, 2023, 10:47:41 PM
Quote from: AV84 on August 09, 2023, 10:34:22 PM
If we're now getting rid of Archer, we're one injury away from Durán being our main striker. 

To spend huge money and replace Watkins with someone better, we'd still be in the same position, one injury away from having to play Durán every game.

Why, where is Watkins going in this scenario?

Where is Watkins going in the replace Watkins scenario? 

Nobody is talking about replacing Watkins.

Bit surprising he hasnt signed a new contract over the summer though
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on August 09, 2023, 11:23:21 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 09, 2023, 09:06:24 PM
For example - Newcastle have Isaak and Wilson. Surely we can aspire to that sort of quality?

Watkins and Ings......(runs for cover :D)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 09, 2023, 11:57:56 PM
			

			

				The days when we couldn’t generate money by selling players seem to be behind us. Probably £170m plus since Joe left.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on August 09, 2023, 11:58:21 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: andyh on August 09, 2023, 10:59:53 PM
Quote from: OCD on August 09, 2023, 10:45:50 PM
I think it would be £25m for Archer + Add-Ons + Buy-back clause. 
Blimey I would hope for £10m plus…..£25m is a bit crazy



Liverpool sold that striker to Sheff Utd a few years back for £20m, Archer has a similar if not better scoring record. Man City have just sold a reserve keeper with a season on loan in League 1 under his belt for £19m and a winger to Ajax who hasn’t kicked a ball for them for around the same figure.
No way Archer is leaving for £10m.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 10, 2023, 12:12:52 AM
			

			

				“enquiries for their top players have been rejected without a second thought this summer.”

From the Daily Mail, that Tom Collomese (sp?).
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: CT Villan on August 10, 2023, 02:22:16 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 10, 2023, 12:12:52 AM
“enquiries for their top players have been rejected without a second thought this summer.”

From the Daily Mail, that Tom Collomese (sp?).
 
Thanks for the story Percy...

Here if anyone else is interested :
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-12389639/TOM-COLLOMOSSE-time-days-Martin-ONeill-Aston-Villa-reason-excited-head-new-season-Unai-Emery-deserves-credit.html

There is a comment below the article which is beyond ironic...a Gooner is calling UE a bottler despite Arsenal surrendering the title to City last season...comedy gold :)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 10, 2023, 03:57:03 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: CT Villan on August 10, 2023, 02:22:16 AM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 10, 2023, 12:12:52 AM
“enquiries for their top players have been rejected without a second thought this summer.”

From the Daily Mail, that Tom Collomese (sp?).
 
Thanks for the story Percy...

Here if anyone else is interested :
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-12389639/TOM-COLLOMOSSE-time-days-Martin-ONeill-Aston-Villa-reason-excited-head-new-season-Unai-Emery-deserves-credit.html

There is a comment below the article which is beyond ironic...a Gooner is calling UE a bottler despite Arsenal surrendering the title to City last season...comedy gold :)

I was trying to avoid linking to the Daily Nazi.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rory on August 10, 2023, 04:09:44 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 10, 2023, 03:57:03 AM
Quote from: CT Villan on August 10, 2023, 02:22:16 AM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 10, 2023, 12:12:52 AM
“enquiries for their top players have been rejected without a second thought this summer.”

From the Daily Mail, that Tom Collomese (sp?).
 
Thanks for the story Percy...

Here if anyone else is interested :
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-12389639/TOM-COLLOMOSSE-time-days-Martin-ONeill-Aston-Villa-reason-excited-head-new-season-Unai-Emery-deserves-credit.html

There is a comment below the article which is beyond ironic...a Gooner is calling UE a bottler despite Arsenal surrendering the title to City last season...comedy gold :)

I was trying to avoid linking to a the Daily Nazi.

Yeah, no matter how intriguing, I will never click through to a link from the Sun, Mail or Express. Times or Telegraph are right wing but sane, at least.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave P on August 10, 2023, 07:12:59 AM
			

			

				The fear of Watkins getting injured is real. As I put in the Archer thread, we haven’t even seen Duran in pre season. Then again we have seen Archer and he’s looked a bit of a rabbit in the headlights in the chances he has got. 

Diaby and Bailey can and have played centrally. I do think we’ll get an attacking player in, either a Felix or Johnson type or a out and out centre forward. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on August 10, 2023, 07:42:27 AM
			

			

				Bailey can’t even play out wide consistently well, I wouldn’t be trusting him to play up front if anything happens to Ollie.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on August 10, 2023, 08:00:57 AM
			

			

				Nor me. If we could get anywhere close to our money back Bailey would be first out the door for me. Weak, inconsistent and injured a lot. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on August 10, 2023, 08:18:04 AM
			

			

				I like Bailey. I think he's been involved in many an important moment since Emery came to the club.

I also like how he flollops his tongue about when he runs, he reminds me of Krampus, and what more could you want in a player from the Bundesliga?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 10, 2023, 08:36:27 AM
			

			

				Vague link to an Italian AM/FW. Nicolo Zaniolo.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on August 10, 2023, 08:44:42 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on August 10, 2023, 08:36:27 AM
Vague link to an Italian AM/FW. Nicolo Zaniolo.

Been linked a few times over the summer. He was the next big thing in Italian football a few years back but then did his ACL, recovered and did it again within weeks. He went to Turkey in January and has apparently been excellent and looked fit. I'd be ok with him for a small fee, anything more than about £15m is too big a risk thoigh.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on August 10, 2023, 09:36:39 AM
			

			

				I think people overstate the selling of home grown players for FFP.  If we sold McGinn, Luiz, Mings, Konsa, Cash or Kamara their purchase costs will have already been fully amortized.  If we sold Watkins the amount left is pretty minimal in comparison to what we'd get.

In any case, our net spend is pretty low in PL terms over the last 2-3 seasons.  I don't see how we would be anywhere near FFP thresholds.  I don't see why we need to do financial gymnastics with the likes of Ramsey or Archer for FFP reasons.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dekko on August 10, 2023, 09:42:15 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on August 10, 2023, 09:36:39 AM
I think people overstate the selling of home grown players for FFP.  If we sold McGinn, Luiz, Mings, Konsa, Cash or Kamara their purchase costs will have already been fully amortized.  If we sold Watkins the amount left is pretty minimal in comparison to what we'd get.

In any case, our net spend is pretty low in PL terms over the last 2-3 seasons.  I don't see how we would be anywhere near FFP thresholds.  I don't see why we need to do financial gymnastics with the likes of Ramsey or Archer for FFP reasons.

I think the FFP concerns we might have will be to do with wages.  Our wage bill more or less matches last seasons league position, but most other teams in that part of the league have far, far higher commercial income than we do.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 10, 2023, 09:42:28 AM
			

			

				Yes, if we sold some of our best players, we'd make a profit on them. If we sell home produced players, especially ones who are not getting near our first team, it's total profit at little impact to the squad.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on August 10, 2023, 09:43:51 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on August 09, 2023, 10:45:50 PM
I think it would be £25m for Archer + Add-Ons + Buy-back clause. 
Can we really say that and then baulk at £15m more for Brenan Johnson?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: jwarry on August 10, 2023, 09:44:48 AM
			

			

				Maybe there is truth in the Cam rumours

Fabrizio Romano tweet 
Understand Aston Villa are working on deal to sign Nicoló Zaniolo. It’s concrete possibility being discussed, one of the top names in the list 🚨🟣🔵 #AVFC

Villa director Monchi signed Zaniolo at Roma from Inter and negotiations will follow with Galatasaray.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on August 10, 2023, 09:45:13 AM
			

			

				Romano speaks;

https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1689557815218581504?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet (https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1689557815218581504?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet)

"Understand Aston Villa are working on deal to sign Nicoló Zaniolo. It’s concrete possibility being discussed, one of the top names in the list"
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: frank black on August 10, 2023, 09:52:01 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dogtanian on August 10, 2023, 09:45:13 AM
Romano speaks;

https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1689557815218581504?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet (https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1689557815218581504?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet)

"Understand Aston Villa are working on deal to sign Nicoló Zaniolo. It’s concrete possibility being discussed, one of the top names in the list"

2x ACL and a smattering of other injuries. Risky signing 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on August 10, 2023, 09:53:24 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 10, 2023, 09:42:28 AM
Yes, if we sold some of our best players, we'd make a profit on them. If we sell home produced players, especially ones who are not getting near our first team, it's total profit at little impact to the squad.
It would be total profit or close to it for the majority of our squad.  The home produced thing is a red herring really.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on August 10, 2023, 09:57:27 AM
			

			

				At 6'3" and playing as an attacking midfielder, Zaniolo, could/would be a good option.

Though it doesn't strike me that if he signs (or is even being considered) it is linked to Archer being sold. It only makes sense, to me, if Buendia is injured or Coutinho is being sold. 

I want Archer to score boat loads for the Villa, though he is still, to an extent, unproven and it is a risk to go into the season with Watkins, Archer, and Duran. UTV.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on August 10, 2023, 10:03:37 AM
			

			

				Zanilo 6ft 3?  Would be nice to sign someone who can play Willy Wonka rather than one of the Umpa Lumpas at the Christmas party. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ads on August 10, 2023, 10:03:47 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 10, 2023, 09:42:28 AM
Yes, if we sold some of our best players, we'd make a profit on them. If we sell home produced players, especially ones who are not getting near our first team, it's total profit at little impact to the squad.

Plus if Ramsey is good at Burnley, but not quite good enough to still get in our squad, we buy him back and flog him at a profit for a further nibble at FFP or we make Burnley buy out the clause.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on August 10, 2023, 10:09:44 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on August 10, 2023, 10:03:37 AM
Zanilo 6ft 3?  Would be nice to sign someone who can play Willy Wonka rather than one of the Umpa Lumpas at the Christmas party. 

I read somewhere that Hugh Grant is playing an Oompha Loompha in a new Wonka film, unless I dreamt it. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: KNVillan on August 10, 2023, 10:11:46 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clampy on August 10, 2023, 10:09:44 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on August 10, 2023, 10:03:37 AM
Zanilo 6ft 3?  Would be nice to sign someone who can play Willy Wonka rather than one of the Umpa Lumpas at the Christmas party. 

I read somewhere that Hugh Grant is playing an Oompha Loompha in a new Wonka film, unless I dreamt it.

You didn’t dream it

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-66302072
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on August 10, 2023, 10:16:47 AM
			

			

				Zaniolo is another player with European experience; he's played in different countries with clubs who have high expectation levels and the pressure that comes with it.

Makes a lot of sense to me. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on August 10, 2023, 10:18:29 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: KNVillan on August 10, 2023, 10:11:46 AM
Quote from: Clampy on August 10, 2023, 10:09:44 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on August 10, 2023, 10:03:37 AM
Zanilo 6ft 3?  Would be nice to sign someone who can play Willy Wonka rather than one of the Umpa Lumpas at the Christmas party. 

I read somewhere that Hugh Grant is playing an Oompha Loompha in a new Wonka film, unless I dreamt it.

You didn’t dream it

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-66302072
We can definitely provide a few extras.  Should help a bit towards FFP.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Keeno on August 10, 2023, 10:18:39 AM
			

			

				Loved Zaniolo when he first broke in at Roma, and a lot of elite clubs were looking at him. Been incredibly unlucky with injuries but the Turkish journo who broke the story is saying its a loan w/ option to buy at 30m, so I'm a bit more relaxed about the risk factor. 

This would signpost that Coutinho is off at some point, I think. If we get him off the wage bill, finalise the deal for Ramsey to Burnley, then Zaniolo in would make a lot of sense and not be a huge burden financially - talented, good age, a lot to prove. Don't think it makes us too top heavy either. Really shrewd deal if it happens. Bloody hell we mean business this season. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ads on August 10, 2023, 10:18:58 AM
			

			

				A Turkish journo saying we've offered a loan with an option to buy. His knees being dodgy makes a loan wiser.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on August 10, 2023, 10:25:41 AM
			

			

				signing a player with two acl injuries sounds nuts to me, even on a loan to buy.  But certainly an exciting talent.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: jwarry on August 10, 2023, 10:47:52 AM
			

			

				Bit surprised Galatasaray are happy to let him go just 4 months into a 4/5 year contract, and 5 goals in 10 games. Or don’t they want to argue with Monchi?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Olneythelonely on August 10, 2023, 10:49:59 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: jwarry on August 10, 2023, 10:47:52 AM
Bit surprised Galatasaray are happy to let him go just 4 months into a 4/5 year contract, and 5 goals in 10 games. Or don’t they want to argue with Monchi?

They don’t appear to be happy. 

Certainly not with our current bid of €3m loan fee + €27m non-mandatory option to buy. 

https://twitter.com/yakupcinar/status/1689572181292838912?s=46&t=KX85xbLNg41h2N4y-FzW2Q
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on August 10, 2023, 10:57:32 AM
			

			

				Suggestions now that player side agreed and only the club side to be figured out. He’s a good young player. Like everyone his injuries are a concern. A bigger concern for me is that he’s not Spanish speaking or an American. Leaves me wondering how he will fit in? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Axl Rose on August 10, 2023, 11:01:00 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 10, 2023, 10:57:32 AM
Suggestions now that player side agreed and only the club side to be figured out. He’s a good young player. Like everyone his injuries are a concern. A bigger concern for me is that he’s not Spanish speaking or an American. Leaves me wondering how he will fit in? 

😂
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 10, 2023, 11:02:22 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 10, 2023, 10:57:32 AM
Suggestions now that player side agreed and only the club side to be figured out. He’s a good young player. Like everyone his injuries are a concern. A bigger concern for me is that he’s not Spanish speaking or an American. Leaves me wondering how he will fit in? 

Born in Saltley.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 10, 2023, 11:04:00 AM
			

			

				Are we stepping on Newcastle's toes with this one? Lots of articles from yesterday or before saying they're faves to sign him. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dogtanian on August 10, 2023, 11:04:36 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 10, 2023, 11:02:22 AM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 10, 2023, 10:57:32 AM
Suggestions now that player side agreed and only the club side to be figured out. He’s a good young player. Like everyone his injuries are a concern. A bigger concern for me is that he’s not Spanish speaking or an American. Leaves me wondering how he will fit in? 

Born in Saltley.

Grew up a big fan of Carbone, and it was always his dream to play for us. Or Bradford.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on August 10, 2023, 11:05:08 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 10, 2023, 11:04:00 AM
Are we stepping on Newcastle's toes with this one? Lots of articles from yesterday or before saying they're faves to sign him. 

All true until Monchi walked through the door, balls first 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Olneythelonely on August 10, 2023, 11:07:35 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 10, 2023, 11:04:00 AM
Are we stepping on Newcastle's toes with this one? Lots of articles from yesterday or before saying they're faves to sign him.

Has our need for a Buendia type recently increased? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 10, 2023, 11:10:22 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Olneythelonely on August 10, 2023, 11:07:35 AM
Quote from: AV84 on August 10, 2023, 11:04:00 AM
Are we stepping on Newcastle's toes with this one? Lots of articles from yesterday or before saying they're faves to sign him.

Has our need for a Buendia type recently increased?

To be fair I did see us linked with this guy a few times earlier in the summer. But yeah.... it's gone from zero to one hundred real quick 🤔
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on August 10, 2023, 11:26:46 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 10, 2023, 11:02:22 AM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 10, 2023, 10:57:32 AM
Suggestions now that player side agreed and only the club side to be figured out. He’s a good young player. Like everyone his injuries are a concern. A bigger concern for me is that he’s not Spanish speaking or an American. Leaves me wondering how he will fit in? 

Born in Saltley.

Live in Saltley.
Die in Saltley. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Olneythelonely on August 10, 2023, 11:28:06 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Olneythelonely on August 10, 2023, 11:07:35 AM
Quote from: AV84 on August 10, 2023, 11:04:00 AM
Are we stepping on Newcastle's toes with this one? Lots of articles from yesterday or before saying they're faves to sign him.

Has our need for a Buendia type recently increased?

https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1689583634611634176?s=20
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 10, 2023, 11:37:24 AM
			

			

				FFS
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: not3bad on August 10, 2023, 11:40:46 AM
			

			

				I was enjoying this transfer period but after the last couple of days not so much. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on August 10, 2023, 11:41:33 AM
			

			

				Zaniolo and Gnotto wouldn't surprise me. Both got same agent, who Monchi has worked with before. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on August 10, 2023, 11:41:50 AM
			

			

				https://twitter.com/robdorsettsky/status/1689580703149629440?s=46

#ssn shortly for an exclusive interview with #avfc transfer guru Monchi, who tells me in his first English interview he is working on more new signings this window, and he has been impressed by the ambition of the club he has joined.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 10, 2023, 11:43:20 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ozzjim on August 10, 2023, 11:41:33 AM
Zaniolo and Gnotto wouldn't surprise me. Both got same agent, who Monchi has worked with before.

Gnotto apparently asked to be left out of Leeds' squad for their cup game and is trying to "force" a move before the window closes. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on August 10, 2023, 11:46:10 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on August 09, 2023, 04:02:54 PM
You may both be right.  I know we do business very quietly, but the links seem to have completely dried up.  It's just got that end of window feel for me already.

Less than 24 hours later and all hell breaks loose.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 10, 2023, 11:48:35 AM
			

			

				If it is the case that Zaniolo is coming in on loan because of the Buendia situation it shows how quickly things can be sorted out transfer wise if considered urgent.
Bad luck to Emi anyway, gutted for him as i think he would have contributed will this season. Zaniolo sounds like a punt but one which i think could be worth it. Especially under those circumstances.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Chris Smith on August 10, 2023, 11:55:39 AM
			

			

				Three likely starters now unavailable, Buendia, Ramsey and Moreno. There’s always something to dampen the optimism.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on August 10, 2023, 11:57:30 AM
			

			

				Good news two of those three back in September. It’s a long season and by all accounts we will be bringing in other players.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Nii Lamptey on August 10, 2023, 11:59:42 AM
			

			

				Gutted for Emi - Worst possible thing to happen to a professional footballer. Hope he mends well.

Regarding the other two - How long are JJ and Moreno out for?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on August 10, 2023, 12:02:33 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Nii Lamptey on August 10, 2023, 11:59:42 AM
Gutted for Emi - Worst possible thing to happen to a professional footballer. Hope he mends well.

Regarding the other two - How long are JJ and Moreno out for?

They'll both be available in September.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: rooboy316 on August 10, 2023, 12:03:12 PM
			

			

				Could Diaby cover Watkins in the event if a not-too-long term injury?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Nii Lamptey on August 10, 2023, 12:03:27 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on August 10, 2023, 12:02:33 PM
Quote from: Nii Lamptey on August 10, 2023, 11:59:42 AM
Gutted for Emi - Worst possible thing to happen to a professional footballer. Hope he mends well.

Regarding the other two - How long are JJ and Moreno out for?


They'll both be available in September.

🙏🏻

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on August 10, 2023, 12:04:54 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: rooboy316 on August 10, 2023, 12:03:12 PM
Could Diaby cover Watkins in the event if a not-too-long term injury?

Yeah but who'd cover Diaby?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 10, 2023, 12:05:33 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on August 10, 2023, 12:02:33 PM
Quote from: Nii Lamptey on August 10, 2023, 11:59:42 AM
Gutted for Emi - Worst possible thing to happen to a professional footballer. Hope he mends well.

Regarding the other two - How long are JJ and Moreno out for?

They'll both be available in September.

Moreno is supposedly early September, Ramsey mid September. 
I've seen Moreno in and around the squad training so *fingers crossed* he's on track. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on August 10, 2023, 12:09:52 PM
			

			

				His knee injuries concern me, but I do like him as a player, so a loan with a purchase option sounds like a very smart bit of business to me.

And he potentially comes with the added bonus of a bit of height to boot...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on August 10, 2023, 12:11:32 PM
			

			

				Yep, by the look of it Moreno is pretty much back in full training, Ramsey a bit behind but there's nothing to suggest he won't be fit on schedule in september.

Quote from: coreyfeldman on August 10, 2023, 12:04:54 PM
Quote from: rooboy316 on August 10, 2023, 12:03:12 PM
Could Diaby cover Watkins in the event if a not-too-long term injury?

Yeah but who'd cover Diaby?

If rumours are to be believed then Zaniolo (who I think would also be a better fit alongside Archer than many of our other attacking players).
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on August 10, 2023, 12:16:07 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pablo_picasso on August 10, 2023, 12:09:52 PM
His knee injuries concern me, but I do like him as a player, so a loan with a purchase option sounds like a very smart bit of business to me.

And he potentially comes with the added bonus of a bit of height to boot...

His last significant injury where he did his cruciate was in September 2020. He’s missed less than 30 games since and 4 of those were for Covid. So aside from the big one there have small injuries here or there. Granted it was two big ones very early in his career. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on August 10, 2023, 12:21:27 PM
			

			

				They still concern me.

If the deal is a loan with an option to purchase, it would appear they concern the club too.

Which is only smart...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 10, 2023, 12:22:43 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 10, 2023, 12:16:07 PM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on August 10, 2023, 12:09:52 PM
His knee injuries concern me, but I do like him as a player, so a loan with a purchase option sounds like a very smart bit of business to me.

And he potentially comes with the added bonus of a bit of height to boot...

His last significant injury where he did his cruciate was in September 2020. He’s missed less than 30 games since and 4 of those were for Covid. So aside from the big one there have small injuries here or there. Granted it was two big ones very early in his career. 

i am sure we will have done our homework and know the risks, so i am not hugely bothered.

But not sure this stat is very reassuring - missing almost 30 games in 3 seasons is quite a lot, isn't it?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 10, 2023, 12:29:48 PM
			

			

				It was in 20-21 by the looks of it, but he's managed quite a few since. I do agree it's a bit of a punt though but i'm all for it. Haven't had many Italian players over the years, don't think we've ever had a full Italian international? (he's played 13 and got 2 goals for the full side). Unless my memory is playing up.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on August 10, 2023, 12:34:02 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 10, 2023, 12:22:43 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 10, 2023, 12:16:07 PM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on August 10, 2023, 12:09:52 PM
His knee injuries concern me, but I do like him as a player, so a loan with a purchase option sounds like a very smart bit of business to me.

And he potentially comes with the added bonus of a bit of height to boot...

His last significant injury where he did his cruciate was in September 2020. He’s missed less than 30 games since and 4 of those were for Covid. So aside from the big one there have small injuries here or there. Granted it was two big ones very early in his career. 

i am sure we will have done our homework and know the risks, so i am not hugely bothered.

But not sure this stat is very reassuring - missing almost 30 games in 3 seasons is quite a lot, isn't it?

It’s not great admittedly. Seems to be the odd niggly type injury vs anything related to the significant ones he suffered. I’d probably be more worried if that was the case.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dutchvilla on August 10, 2023, 12:36:44 PM
			

			

				There aren't many Italians who have flourished in the Premier League. Zola and Di Matteo spring to mind, I guess Jorginho did ok at Chelsea, but lots which didn't work out, even internationals.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villatillidie25 on August 10, 2023, 12:38:29 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 10, 2023, 12:22:43 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 10, 2023, 12:16:07 PM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on August 10, 2023, 12:09:52 PM
His knee injuries concern me, but I do like him as a player, so a loan with a purchase option sounds like a very smart bit of business to me.

And he potentially comes with the added bonus of a bit of height to boot...

His last significant injury where he did his cruciate was in September 2020. He’s missed less than 30 games since and 4 of those were for Covid. So aside from the big one there have small injuries here or there. Granted it was two big ones very early in his career. 

i am sure we will have done our homework and know the risks, so i am not hugely bothered.

But not sure this stat is very reassuring - missing almost 30 games in 3 seasons is quite a lot, isn't it?

At least according to the worldly transfermrkt, he's missed 20 games since his last ACL injury (Sept 2020 - May 21). the 4 that were covid were when he was out with his ACL. 6 of the remaining 20 were a shoulder injury and the majority of the others were in the season after his acl injury, which isn't surprising as he worked his way back to full fitness. 
Long and short, he missed 7 games in the 22/23 season (6 were the shoulder injury) and 2 last season with a groin strain so it doesn't feel like he's particularly injury prone, provided he is over his ACL injuries and able to play at the requisite level.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on August 10, 2023, 12:39:49 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 10, 2023, 12:22:43 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 10, 2023, 12:16:07 PM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on August 10, 2023, 12:09:52 PM
His knee injuries concern me, but I do like him as a player, so a loan with a purchase option sounds like a very smart bit of business to me.

And he potentially comes with the added bonus of a bit of height to boot...

His last significant injury where he did his cruciate was in September 2020. He’s missed less than 30 games since and 4 of those were for Covid. So aside from the big one there have small injuries here or there. Granted it was two big ones very early in his career. 

i am sure we will have done our homework and know the risks, so i am not hugely bothered.

But not sure this stat is very reassuring - missing almost 30 games in 3 seasons is quite a lot, isn't it?

For a fully fledged player who has broken through to regular first team football enough to win caps for a decent nation, yes it might be.

But it would all depend on the reasons they missed games.


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on August 10, 2023, 12:44:47 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 10, 2023, 12:34:02 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 10, 2023, 12:22:43 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 10, 2023, 12:16:07 PM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on August 10, 2023, 12:09:52 PM
His knee injuries concern me, but I do like him as a player, so a loan with a purchase option sounds like a very smart bit of business to me.

And he potentially comes with the added bonus of a bit of height to boot...

His last significant injury where he did his cruciate was in September 2020. He’s missed less than 30 games since and 4 of those were for Covid. So aside from the big one there have small injuries here or there. Granted it was two big ones very early in his career. 

i am sure we will have done our homework and know the risks, so i am not hugely bothered.

But not sure this stat is very reassuring - missing almost 30 games in 3 seasons is quite a lot, isn't it?

It’s not great admittedly. Seems to be the odd niggly type injury vs anything related to the significant ones he suffered. I’d probably be more worried if that was the case.


I actually think most of them look like they are related but in an "expected setbacks after 18months out" rather than any recurrences, etc. Little niggly things are incredibly common when you come back from major injuries like his because you not only take a lot more precaution with any minor pain but you're effectively retraining your body to do peak levels of exercise after a long period of being sedentary and that requires muscles and ligaments to be reformed to cope with it, which means you get a lot more of those little pains and discomforts.


It often turns into a case of regular breaks in recovery to give the body time to adapt and, for a footballer, this will mean missing games and them being reported as niggles.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 10, 2023, 12:45:06 PM
			

			

				Players do get over them, see Ruud Van Nistelhorse.

Was that the injury Delph had with us also? Took him a while to get over it but he eventually got back to being one of our best players.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: rougegorge on August 10, 2023, 12:54:56 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: dutchvilla on August 10, 2023, 12:36:44 PM
There aren't many Italians who have flourished in the Premier League. Zola and Di Matteo spring to mind, I guess Jorginho did ok at Chelsea, but lots which didn't work out, even internationals.
Yes quite a few didn't work out. Some others who did quite well: Vialli, Carbone  :), Di Canio, Ravanelli, Ogbonna, Pelle, Cudicini. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smithy on August 10, 2023, 12:55:43 PM
			

			

				Physio and rehab on knee injuries is now light years ahead of where it was even twenty years ago.  Plus the rigorous checks made in modern medicals.  I doubt we'd sign anyone we didn't think could stand up to it physically.

I do sometimes wonder what might have happened to Gary Shaw had he had access to the sort of knee specialists in the game today.  And to a lesser extent, Gazza.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on August 10, 2023, 01:07:52 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smithy on August 10, 2023, 12:55:43 PM
Physio and rehab on knee injuries is now light years ahead of where it was even twenty years ago.  Plus the rigorous checks made in modern medicals.  I doubt we'd sign anyone we didn't think could stand up to it physically.

I do sometimes wonder what might have happened to Gary Shaw had he had access to the sort of knee specialists in the game today.  And to a lesser extent, Gazza.
It certainly is.  But equally, Wesley.  And Carlos.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Somniloquism on August 10, 2023, 01:34:06 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 09, 2023, 05:43:03 PM
First world problem, but the window shutting the day after clubs discover whether they might have 10-15 extra games to play is bloody ridiculous.

Apart from a sudden serious injury to a key player, the squad for the Prem and the Squad for Euro competition is pretty much the same as similar rules apply. So unless we are hoping to only buy players to play in Europe / League, and not both, then it won't be an issue. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on August 10, 2023, 01:40:21 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 10, 2023, 11:41:50 AM
https://twitter.com/robdorsettsky/status/1689580703149629440?s=46

#ssn shortly for an exclusive interview with #avfc transfer guru Monchi, who tells me in his first English interview he is working on more new signings this window, and he has been impressed by the ambition of the club he has joined.

Has this aired yet?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on August 10, 2023, 01:50:13 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on August 10, 2023, 01:40:21 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 10, 2023, 11:41:50 AM
https://twitter.com/robdorsettsky/status/1689580703149629440?s=46

#ssn shortly for an exclusive interview with #avfc transfer guru Monchi, who tells me in his first English interview he is working on more new signings this window, and he has been impressed by the ambition of the club he has joined.

Has this aired yet?

Probably a better quality one somewhere 

https://twitter.com/midsfootyuk/status/1689603738804146176?s=46
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Richard on August 10, 2023, 01:52:08 PM
			

			

				Re Buendia the thing is here not to panic, we have 3 weeks before the window shuts and we have a good enough squad to get through August. I'd expect a couple of loans for starters with a view to permanently signing. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on August 10, 2023, 01:52:38 PM
			

			

				So looks like we're getting two more then.

Zaniolo and a striker I guess.

I just want to rub Monchi's bald head. What a saucy interview on Sky! 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Randy Gurner on August 10, 2023, 01:53:53 PM
			

			

				With Buendia's injury it sounds like the perfect time for Monchi to convince Joao Felix to come on loan for the season.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Hillbilly on August 10, 2023, 01:55:52 PM
			

			

				Without wishing to jinx us further, this feels like the first of season in a while where there hasn’t been a serious bid for any of our better players. I wonder if it’s their agents realising we’re onto a good thing here? Even so I’d have expected one of the Sky 6 to try to destabilise us as often seems to be the case.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on August 10, 2023, 02:02:29 PM
			

			

				Still wouldn’t completely shock me after all this we end up with João Félix. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: jwarry on August 10, 2023, 02:10:07 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 10, 2023, 02:02:29 PM
Still wouldn’t completely shock me after all this we end up with João Félix. 

Yea I do get the sense we are not going to accept second best 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on August 10, 2023, 02:11:52 PM
			

			

				Galatasaray seemingly signing PSG’s Leandro Paredes might suggest a connection to Zaniolo joining us.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on August 10, 2023, 02:13:00 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 10, 2023, 02:11:52 PM
Galatasaray seemingly signing PSG’s Leandro Paredes might suggest a connection to Zaniolo joining us.

They don't really play in the same place. Paredes is more of a run-around-and-kick-people type. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on August 10, 2023, 02:18:29 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on August 10, 2023, 02:13:00 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 10, 2023, 02:11:52 PM
Galatasaray seemingly signing PSG’s Leandro Paredes might suggest a connection to Zaniolo joining us.

They don't really play in the same place. Paredes is more of a run-around-and-kick-people type. 

Comment was more about money being freed up than about positions.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on August 10, 2023, 02:19:01 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on August 10, 2023, 01:40:21 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 10, 2023, 11:41:50 AM
https://twitter.com/robdorsettsky/status/1689580703149629440?s=46

#ssn shortly for an exclusive interview with #avfc transfer guru Monchi, who tells me in his first English interview he is working on more new signings this window, and he has been impressed by the ambition of the club he has joined.

Has this aired yet?

Bits of it did. He basically said we are still after new signings & he joined thanks to the ambitions of the owners...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villatillidie25 on August 10, 2023, 02:25:36 PM
			

			

				Kudos to Diaby and Torres in particular for being interviewed. They're clearly decent at English but uncomfortable but were prepared to be interviewed live on SSN. 
Nothing of any note revealed other than they all buy in to the project etc. etc.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 10, 2023, 02:29:19 PM
			

			

				Emery on the transfer market: “We are doing everything, with deep analysis, speaking with Monchi, Nassef Sawiris and Wes Edens, to try and improve, always.”
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on August 10, 2023, 02:40:35 PM
			

			

				“There are enough tools to try to build a beautiful project. There’s a good base of last year, of the time when Emery arrived. We must take advantage of that base & that confidence of the coaching staff to shore up the project & continue to grow”

Don Monchi
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SaddVillan on August 10, 2023, 02:48:56 PM
			

			

				https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1689557815218581504?t=R7_SSoN3VJwELodk84DWdg&s=08

Looks like the Don's already in action to bring in cover for Emi.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on August 10, 2023, 02:57:47 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: SaddVillan on August 10, 2023, 02:48:56 PM
https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1689557815218581504?t=R7_SSoN3VJwELodk84DWdg&s=08

Looks like the Don's already in action to bring in cover for Emi.

a 6'3" number 10 that gets his name on the scoresheet wouldn't be the worst thing.. here's to hoping we can get a favorable deal and he wants to come. Had a fantastic season last year, for someone who's done their ACL twice. I love the urgency out of the club. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SaddVillan on August 10, 2023, 03:05:38 PM
			

			

				At last we have a Sporting Director who seems to have every position and scenario covered. 

With a database of players who we either want to bring in because we're improving the squad or we can sign if we suffer a catastrophic injury to a first team player, or we get a mad offer for one of the squad that we really can't refuse.

No more being caught with our pants down.

And with regard to Emi's injury, it begs the question - has Unai run shapes/formations/tactics to take account of xy or z being injured/suspended?

Of course he fucking has - he's Unai - what else do you expect?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on August 10, 2023, 03:12:12 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 10, 2023, 01:50:13 PM
Quote from: eamonn on August 10, 2023, 01:40:21 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 10, 2023, 11:41:50 AM
https://twitter.com/robdorsettsky/status/1689580703149629440?s=46

#ssn shortly for an exclusive interview with #avfc transfer guru Monchi, who tells me in his first English interview he is working on more new signings this window, and he has been impressed by the ambition of the club he has joined.

Has this aired yet?

Probably a better quality one somewhere 

https://twitter.com/midsfootyuk/status/1689603738804146176?s=46

Cheers our kid. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 10, 2023, 03:12:49 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: villadelph on August 10, 2023, 02:57:47 PM
Quote from: SaddVillan on August 10, 2023, 02:48:56 PM
https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1689557815218581504?t=R7_SSoN3VJwELodk84DWdg&s=08

Looks like the Don's already in action to bring in cover for Emi.

a 6'3" number 10 that gets his name on the scoresheet wouldn't be the worst thing.. here's to hoping we can get a favorable deal and he wants to come. Had a fantastic season last year, for someone who's done their ACL twice. I love the urgency out of the club. 

He reminds me of Dwight McNeil with a shot on him.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 10, 2023, 03:25:04 PM
			

			

				Youtube i know but he looks quick, strong, skillful, aware and he can finish well from close range and hit 'em hard and accurate from distance. Looks very good.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SaddVillan on August 10, 2023, 03:26:10 PM
			

			

				At last we have a Sporting Director who has every position and scenario covered.

With a database of players who we either need because we're improving the squad, or can come in if we suffer a catastrophic injury or can't refuse a mad offer for one of the first team squad.

No more being caught with our pants down, having to make panic buys that turn out to be duffers.

This injury to Emi makes me wonder if Unaia has run shapes/formations/tactics to take account of x, y or z being injured/suspended?

He's Unai - of course he has - what else do you expect?

IF (more likely when) we bring in an Emi replacement before the window closes, it will only reinforce my belief that our club is FINALLY being run and managed properly.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on August 10, 2023, 03:45:06 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 10, 2023, 03:12:49 PM
Quote from: villadelph on August 10, 2023, 02:57:47 PM
Quote from: SaddVillan on August 10, 2023, 02:48:56 PM
https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1689557815218581504?t=R7_SSoN3VJwELodk84DWdg&s=08

Looks like the Don's already in action to bring in cover for Emi.

a 6'3" number 10 that gets his name on the scoresheet wouldn't be the worst thing.. here's to hoping we can get a favorable deal and he wants to come. Had a fantastic season last year, for someone who's done their ACL twice. I love the urgency out of the club. 

He reminds me of Dwight McNeil with a shot on him.

Fuck me. Dwight McNeil? He can stay in Turkey if that’s what he is. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on August 10, 2023, 04:19:33 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on August 10, 2023, 03:25:04 PM
Youtube i know but he looks quick, strong, skillful, aware and he can finish well from close range and hit 'em hard and accurate from distance. Looks very good.

before his knee problems he was regarded as the next big thing in Italian football, at his best he has everything to be a world class 10, the gamble is how close he can get to his best after missing a lot of football and having the worry of another major injury in the back of his mind.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on August 10, 2023, 04:29:21 PM
			

			

				Gnonto off to Everton. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on August 10, 2023, 04:31:39 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 10, 2023, 04:29:21 PM
Gnonto off to Everton. 

Which seems about the right level for him. Good prospect but nowhere near ready for a side in the top half to be able to offer him regular games.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 10, 2023, 04:40:19 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 10, 2023, 04:29:21 PM
Gnonto off to Everton. 

I saw him play last weekend and he was a few levels above. I think he'll be wasted a Everton.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 10, 2023, 04:57:31 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on August 10, 2023, 04:31:39 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 10, 2023, 04:29:21 PM
Gnonto off to Everton. 

Which seems about the right level for him. Good prospect but nowhere near ready for a side in the top half to be able to offer him regular games.

Regular minutes rather than games. I'd have him easily ahead of Bailey, Traoré and Philogene.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: enigma on August 10, 2023, 05:13:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on August 10, 2023, 04:31:39 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 10, 2023, 04:29:21 PM
Gnonto off to Everton. 

Which seems about the right level for him. Good prospect but nowhere near ready for a side in the top half to be able to offer him regular games.
He's a full international with Italy. He's not the finished article but he's a bit better than you give him credit for.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on August 10, 2023, 05:17:52 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 10, 2023, 04:57:31 PM
Quote from: paul_e on August 10, 2023, 04:31:39 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 10, 2023, 04:29:21 PM
Gnonto off to Everton. 

Which seems about the right level for him. Good prospect but nowhere near ready for a side in the top half to be able to offer him regular games.

Regular minutes rather than games. I'd have him easily ahead of Bailey, Traoré and Philogene.

It really depends on the price, £25-30m (which I suspect is about what he'll go for) and that'd be a bit much for a player who be getting a few minutes here and there and I'm not sure he'd offer much more than that for us.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 10, 2023, 05:36:15 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on August 10, 2023, 05:17:52 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 10, 2023, 04:57:31 PM
Quote from: paul_e on August 10, 2023, 04:31:39 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 10, 2023, 04:29:21 PM
Gnonto off to Everton. 

Which seems about the right level for him. Good prospect but nowhere near ready for a side in the top half to be able to offer him regular games.

Regular minutes rather than games. I'd have him easily ahead of Bailey, Traoré and Philogene.

It really depends on the price, £25-30m (which I suspect is about what he'll go for) and that'd be a bit much for a player who be getting a few minutes here and there and I'm not sure he'd offer much more than that for us.

The price I've read is £15m which is a steal. Problem is Everton want to buy, Leeds want to loan and the player wants to leave. We're also in the mix according to reports in Italy. Imagine being an opposition defender and you've been given the run around by Diaby all game, you see his number come up for a substitution. That delight would soon turn to WTF when you see Wifried Gnonto coming on to replace him.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on August 10, 2023, 05:44:21 PM
			

			

				Archer to Sheff Utd then...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on August 10, 2023, 05:48:27 PM
			

			

				Really? He can't do any worse than that waste of money they lumped on a Liverpool young lad last time they got promoted.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Exeter 77 on August 10, 2023, 05:52:38 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: dutchvilla on August 10, 2023, 12:36:44 PM
There aren't many Italians who have flourished in the Premier League. Zola and Di Matteo spring to mind, I guess Jorginho did ok at Chelsea, but lots which didn't work out, even internationals.
Ravanelli did OK in a Middlesbrough side with a good attack but poor defence.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 10, 2023, 05:54:57 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: coreyfeldman on August 10, 2023, 05:44:21 PM
Archer to Sheff Utd then...

That would mean a buy back in 12 months as I'm sure Cam doesn't fancy another season in the Championship.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 10, 2023, 06:00:35 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 10, 2023, 05:54:57 PM
Quote from: coreyfeldman on August 10, 2023, 05:44:21 PM
Archer to Sheff Utd then...

That would mean a buy back in 12 months as I'm sure Cam doesn't fancy another season in the Championship.

Arguably the same situation with Ramsey to Burnely. They're more likely to stay up, but still a big possibility they go straight back down. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 10, 2023, 06:02:50 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Exeter 77 on August 10, 2023, 05:52:38 PM
Quote from: dutchvilla on August 10, 2023, 12:36:44 PM
There aren't many Italians who have flourished in the Premier League. Zola and Di Matteo spring to mind, I guess Jorginho did ok at Chelsea, but lots which didn't work out, even internationals.
Ravanelli did OK in a Middlesbrough side with a good attack but poor defence.

Vialli did alright too. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on August 10, 2023, 06:04:29 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 10, 2023, 05:54:57 PM
Quote from: coreyfeldman on August 10, 2023, 05:44:21 PM
Archer to Sheff Utd then...

That would mean a buy back in 12 months as I'm sure Cam doesn't fancy another season in the Championship.

We better be bringing in 2-3 more if we're shipping out Archer and A. Ramsey, Moreno and J. Ramsey will have a delayed start, and Buendia is out for the year. 

It won't be cheap to replace those positions if we are to improve on last year's finish in the table. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on August 10, 2023, 06:04:45 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: coreyfeldman on August 10, 2023, 05:44:21 PM
Archer to Sheff Utd then...

Jumped the gun a bit haven’t you?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 10, 2023, 06:20:05 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on August 10, 2023, 03:12:12 PM
Probably a better quality one somewhere 

https://twitter.com/midsfootyuk/status/1689603738804146176?s=46

I hope so, I thought it was a young Big Ron for a moment.

*Thanks for sharing though.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 10, 2023, 06:32:32 PM
			

			

				That Man U keeper Matěj Kovář has gone to Leverkusen.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villafirst on August 10, 2023, 07:05:56 PM
			

			

				We still need 2 or 3 more....
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeonW on August 10, 2023, 07:10:20 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 10, 2023, 06:02:50 PM
Quote from: Exeter 77 on August 10, 2023, 05:52:38 PM
Quote from: dutchvilla on August 10, 2023, 12:36:44 PM
There aren't many Italians who have flourished in the Premier League. Zola and Di Matteo spring to mind, I guess Jorginho did ok at Chelsea, but lots which didn't work out, even internationals.
Ravanelli did OK in a Middlesbrough side with a good attack but poor defence.

Vialli did alright too.

But this was 25 years ago back when Italian football was the highest standard in the world where the majority of the elite played. As well as your Vialli’s, Zola’s, Ravanelli’s, bit part players like Carbone, Di Canio, etc, could come over and be excellent players here because they were dropping a level. Since then, the standard in Seria A has dropped a lot and the majority of players (not just Italian) from Seria A who have arrived in England for big money have not really delivered. Stars in Seria A like Gaston Ramierez, Dani Osvaldo, the two Italians who joined West Ham recently, Pogba, Juan Cuadrado, Moise Keane, Morata, Aquillani, the list goes on, all failed to produce. So it is a relevant point. 

Zaniola is well regarded but has had a bad injury and is currently plying his trade in Turkey. It would be a big gamble. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on August 10, 2023, 07:15:32 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: SaddVillan on August 10, 2023, 02:48:56 PM
https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1689557815218581504?t=R7_SSoN3VJwELodk84DWdg&s=08

Looks like the Don's already in action to bring in cover for Emi.

Hmmm. Not sure about that one, his recent record looks distinctly shit.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 10, 2023, 07:21:57 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on August 10, 2023, 07:15:32 PM
Quote from: SaddVillan on August 10, 2023, 02:48:56 PM
https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1689557815218581504?t=R7_SSoN3VJwELodk84DWdg&s=08

Looks like the Don's already in action to bring in cover for Emi.

Hmmm. Not sure about that one, his recent record looks distinctly shit.

Monchi bought him to Roma. Problem is according to a Roma fan, "Zaniolo has been seen as a possible replacement for Totti but he is infuriatingly wasteful.  Since his injuries he has come back as slow and off pace.  Insanely skillful.  Now more of a Ross Barkley type.  Potential unfulfilled."
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on August 10, 2023, 07:24:58 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 10, 2023, 07:21:57 PM
Quote from: Risso on August 10, 2023, 07:15:32 PM
Quote from: SaddVillan on August 10, 2023, 02:48:56 PM
https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1689557815218581504?t=R7_SSoN3VJwELodk84DWdg&s=08

Looks like the Don's already in action to bring in cover for Emi.

Hmmm. Not sure about that one, his recent record looks distinctly shit.

Monchi bought him to Roma. Problem is according to a Roma fan, "Zaniolo has been seen as a possible replacement for Totti but he is infuriatingly wasteful.  Since his injuries he has come back as slow and off pace.  Insanely skillful.  Now more of a Ross Barkley type.  Potential unfulfilled."

Sounds like a perfect replacement for Buendia 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on August 10, 2023, 07:26:37 PM
			

			

				Wasn’t Monchi’s time at Roma widely considered a bit of a disaster?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 10, 2023, 07:26:57 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on August 10, 2023, 07:24:58 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 10, 2023, 07:21:57 PM
Quote from: Risso on August 10, 2023, 07:15:32 PM
Quote from: SaddVillan on August 10, 2023, 02:48:56 PM
https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1689557815218581504?t=R7_SSoN3VJwELodk84DWdg&s=08

Looks like the Don's already in action to bring in cover for Emi.

Hmmm. Not sure about that one, his recent record looks distinctly shit.

Monchi bought him to Roma. Problem is according to a Roma fan, "Zaniolo has been seen as a possible replacement for Totti but he is infuriatingly wasteful.  Since his injuries he has come back as slow and off pace.  Insanely skillful.  Now more of a Ross Barkley type.  Potential unfulfilled."

Sounds like a perfect replacement for Buendia 

Watkins was the first name to come to mind. Imagine two of them. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 10, 2023, 07:41:31 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on August 10, 2023, 07:26:37 PM
Wasn’t Monchi’s time at Roma widely considered a bit of a disaster?

Robin Olsen and Friends. (https://giallorossiyorkshire.com/features/ranking-every-signing-monchi-made-at-roma/)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on August 10, 2023, 07:56:00 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 10, 2023, 07:41:31 PM
Quote from: Risso on August 10, 2023, 07:26:37 PM
Wasn’t Monchi’s time at Roma widely considered a bit of a disaster?

Robin Olsen and Friends. (https://giallorossiyorkshire.com/features/ranking-every-signing-monchi-made-at-roma/)
Wait - so this guy managed to sign 4 players worse than Olsen 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 10, 2023, 08:12:48 PM
			

			

				Zaniolo isn’t a Buendia replacement move. Was lined up before todays shit news. In talks with Gala trying to sort a deal. He’s keen to come but has a couple of other options too 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: jwarry on August 10, 2023, 08:27:54 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 10, 2023, 08:12:48 PM
Zaniolo isn’t a Buendia replacement move. Was lined up before todays shit news. In talks with Gala trying to sort a deal. He’s keen to come but has a couple of other options too 

Good to know Vinnie, can we assume a Buendia replacement is now also on the list? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on August 10, 2023, 09:02:48 PM
			

			

				Sounds like selling young players but including buy-back clauses might be bit of a policy for players that have developed beyond being loaned to Championship clubs. 

Better than Man Utd's policy of letting them rot in the reserves and wasting their careers before they move. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 10, 2023, 09:08:19 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: jwarry on August 10, 2023, 08:27:54 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 10, 2023, 08:12:48 PM
Zaniolo isn’t a Buendia replacement move. Was lined up before todays shit news. In talks with Gala trying to sort a deal. He’s keen to come but has a couple of other options too 

Good to know Vinnie, can we assume a Buendia replacement is now also on the list? 

Someone who can operate right + cover left I’d say so for sure. The absolute perfect one for us is Goncalves but they wanted mega money. Maybe that would be revisited as for RM he’s literally perfect for what we need 

Currently - left hand side an issue given JJ and now Emi. 

I wouldn’t be surprised if we did a narrow 4222 so we can fit in Tielemens, McGinn, Luiz and Kamara all at once 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 10, 2023, 09:09:57 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on August 10, 2023, 07:15:32 PM
Quote from: SaddVillan on August 10, 2023, 02:48:56 PM
https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1689557815218581504?t=R7_SSoN3VJwELodk84DWdg&s=08

Looks like the Don's already in action to bring in cover for Emi.

Hmmm. Not sure about that one, his recent record looks distinctly shit.

I also think he looks like Tony Cascarino back in the day. I'll let you decide whether this is a good thing.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on August 10, 2023, 09:10:34 PM
			

			

				What about RB and GK Vinnie? Any stirrings there?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on August 10, 2023, 09:11:15 PM
			

			

				RM?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on August 10, 2023, 09:18:04 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on August 10, 2023, 09:09:57 PM
Quote from: Risso on August 10, 2023, 07:15:32 PM
Quote from: SaddVillan on August 10, 2023, 02:48:56 PM
https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1689557815218581504?t=R7_SSoN3VJwELodk84DWdg&s=08

Looks like the Don's already in action to bring in cover for Emi.

Hmmm. Not sure about that one, his recent record looks distinctly shit.

I also think he looks like Tony Cascarino back in the day. I'll let you decide whether this is a good thing.

Can use the same song? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dave.woodhall on August 10, 2023, 09:30:46 PM
			

			

				My Roma contact reckons the ex-Next Big Thing for club & country, never recovered from injuries but a decent manager might be able to recapture past glories. His biggest problem is a tendency to keep his head down too much and not pick out better options. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 10, 2023, 09:32:45 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 10, 2023, 09:30:46 PM
My Roma contact reckons the ex-Next Big Thing for club & country, never recovered from injuries but a decent manager might be able to recapture past glories. His biggest problem is a tendency to keep his head down too much and not pick out better options.

If he's 6ft3 he'd still have a clear view of all our players even with his head down.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on August 10, 2023, 09:36:19 PM
			

			

				Never mind....posting about the Hibs game in the wrong thread...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 10, 2023, 09:40:51 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on August 10, 2023, 09:36:19 PM
Never mind....posting about the Hibs game in the wrong thread...

He very much isn't (according to Greg((g)) Evans).
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on August 10, 2023, 11:15:37 PM
			

			

				Zaniolo has been pretty strongly linked almost all window, so I doubt he's the Buendia replacement. Probably more Traore as a squad player with different skills. He looks like a talent, and we all know Emery likes a player he can build back up, so Monchi may have sold him as a project to Emery.

I'd be gutted if Gnotto went to Everton. He's scary good for his age, and fearless. I'd love him as an option at Villa. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AGRIPPA on August 11, 2023, 12:34:24 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ozzjim on August 10, 2023, 11:15:37 PM
Zaniolo has been pretty strongly linked almost all window, so I doubt he's the Buendia replacement. Probably more Traore as a squad player with different skills. He looks like a talent, and we all know Emery likes a player he can build back up, so Monchi may have sold him as a project to Emery.

I'd be gutted if Gnotto went to Everton. He's scary good for his age, and fearless. I'd love him as an option at Villa.
This is a player we should have…..especially at the reported cost!!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 11, 2023, 12:42:11 AM
			

			

				Well it looks like Kane has agreed to go now. I wonder if they'll reignite interest in Brennan Johnson? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Matt C on August 11, 2023, 01:57:16 AM
			

			

				Interesting Emery confirmed Zaniolo interest, he’s normally pretty closed on names. Perhaps we’re trying to put pressure on another selling club. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on August 11, 2023, 09:04:20 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on August 10, 2023, 07:26:37 PM
Wasn’t Monchi’s time at Roma widely considered a bit of a disaster?

He signed Olson there. 

‘Nothing further your honour’
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Goldenballs on August 11, 2023, 09:06:48 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on August 11, 2023, 12:42:11 AM
Well it looks like Kane has agreed to go now. I wonder if they'll reignite interest in Brennan Johnson? 

Or Watkins? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 11, 2023, 09:19:08 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Goldenballs on August 11, 2023, 09:06:48 AM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on August 11, 2023, 12:42:11 AM
Well it looks like Kane has agreed to go now. I wonder if they'll reignite interest in Brennan Johnson? 

Or Watkins?

Lukaka.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 11, 2023, 10:04:46 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on August 10, 2023, 09:10:34 PM
What about RB and GK Vinnie? Any stirrings there?

Not sure mate tbh. As much as i want want i don't believe a GK is on the agenda for now
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on August 11, 2023, 10:22:17 AM
			

			

				Ta. I did love that smile Monchi gave Rob Dorsett (? Sky Sports chap) yesterday when asked about further signings. Seemed very confident. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ian. on August 11, 2023, 10:31:28 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: AGRIPPA on August 11, 2023, 12:34:24 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 10, 2023, 11:15:37 PM
Zaniolo has been pretty strongly linked almost all window, so I doubt he's the Buendia replacement. Probably more Traore as a squad player with different skills. He looks like a talent, and we all know Emery likes a player he can build back up, so Monchi may have sold him as a project to Emery.

I'd be gutted if Gnotto went to Everton. He's scary good for his age, and fearless. I'd love him as an option at Villa.
This is a player we should have…..especially at the reported cost!!

I think the same, I watched him a fair few times last season and he was really good. However I have read this morning that Leeds are not ready to sell him and I don't blame them.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 11, 2023, 11:07:06 AM
			

			

				I like Gnonto. Fast and a little raw/unpredictable. Could be a useful squad player. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 11, 2023, 11:12:56 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ian. on August 11, 2023, 10:31:28 AM
Quote from: AGRIPPA on August 11, 2023, 12:34:24 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 10, 2023, 11:15:37 PM
Zaniolo has been pretty strongly linked almost all window, so I doubt he's the Buendia replacement. Probably more Traore as a squad player with different skills. He looks like a talent, and we all know Emery likes a player he can build back up, so Monchi may have sold him as a project to Emery.

I'd be gutted if Gnotto went to Everton. He's scary good for his age, and fearless. I'd love him as an option at Villa.
This is a player we should have…..especially at the reported cost!!

I think the same, I watched him a fair few times last season and he was really good. However I have read this morning that Leeds are not ready to sell him and I don't blame them.

Didn't he ask to be left out of their cup game during the week? Not sure he could force a move, but he doesn't seem like he wants to stay. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on August 11, 2023, 11:13:40 AM
			

			

				They would be prepared to loan him though so we could bring him in for a season to fill in for Buendia, then see how things are in a year's time. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SoccerHQ on August 11, 2023, 11:22:48 AM
			

			

				Late move for Brennan Johnson feels inevitable to me, can play across the forward line and upfront if necessary.

Interested how often he features for Forest as he was on the bench for their final games of last season.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on August 11, 2023, 11:43:03 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: SoccerHQ on August 11, 2023, 11:22:48 AM
Late move for Brennan Johnson feels inevitable to me, can play across the forward line and upfront if necessary.

Interested how often he features for Forest as he was on the bench for their final games of last season.
Won't he be up near £80m 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on August 11, 2023, 11:46:48 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: VillaTim on August 11, 2023, 11:43:03 AM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on August 11, 2023, 11:22:48 AM
Late move for Brennan Johnson feels inevitable to me, can play across the forward line and upfront if necessary.

Interested how often he features for Forest as he was on the bench for their final games of last season.
Won't he be up near £80m 

According to whom?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ian. on August 11, 2023, 11:47:43 AM
			

			

				Is it bad of me that I had to Google Caicedo when I saw this yesterday as I had no idea who is was it okayed for? My knowledge outside of Villa is pretty terrible!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on August 11, 2023, 11:49:52 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on August 11, 2023, 11:46:48 AM
Quote from: VillaTim on August 11, 2023, 11:43:03 AM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on August 11, 2023, 11:22:48 AM
Late move for Brennan Johnson feels inevitable to me, can play across the forward line and upfront if necessary.

Interested how often he features for Forest as he was on the bench for their final games of last season.
Won't he be up near £80m 

According to whom?
Nobody, just going on some of the mental fees flying about (Caicedo / Paquetta) . Forest won't give him away cheap on the eve of a new season
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on August 11, 2023, 11:59:10 AM
			

			

				It’s interesting there’s an increasing value on proper central midfielders like Rice and Caceido. Makes the value of Dougie, Bouba etc ever more clear.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: London Villan on August 11, 2023, 12:02:23 PM
			

			

				Based on the above valuations either of them would be £80m+ at least.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rory on August 11, 2023, 12:07:28 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ian. on August 11, 2023, 11:47:43 AM
Is it bad of me that I had to Google Caicedo when I saw this yesterday as I had no idea who is was it okayed for? My knowledge outside of Villa is pretty terrible!

Nah, I'd never heard of him.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on August 11, 2023, 12:10:21 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 11, 2023, 11:59:10 AM
It’s interesting there’s an increasing value on proper central midfielders like Rice and Caceido. Makes the value of Dougie, Bouba etc ever more clear.

Luiz and Kamara are simply miles ahead of likes of Caceido and Lavia. Some clubs getting very desperate now. Fair play to Brighton for getting that ridiculous money for Caceido. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ads on August 11, 2023, 12:25:27 PM
			

			

				Luiz and Kamara would cost us well over £120m to buy, probably a lot more if we were trying to pick them up from a top 7 side. Crazy business.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 11, 2023, 12:28:43 PM
			

			

				I'd never heard of Paqueta before this week either. Do like Caicedo.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Exeter 77 on August 11, 2023, 12:34:36 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on August 11, 2023, 12:28:43 PM
I'd never heard of Paqueta before this week either. Do like Caicedo.
That may be because commentators can't decide how to pronounce his name. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on August 11, 2023, 12:34:54 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: brontebilly on August 11, 2023, 12:10:21 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 11, 2023, 11:59:10 AM
It’s interesting there’s an increasing value on proper central midfielders like Rice and Caceido. Makes the value of Dougie, Bouba etc ever more clear.

Luiz and Kamara are simply miles ahead of likes of Caceido and Lavia. Some clubs getting very desperate now. Fair play to Brighton for getting that ridiculous money for Caceido. 

They signed him in 2021 for £4.5m. In 2 years, they've turned a 106.5m profit. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on August 11, 2023, 12:36:55 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: SoccerHQ on August 11, 2023, 11:22:48 AM
Late move for Brennan Johnson feels inevitable to me, can play across the forward line and upfront if necessary.

Interested how often he features for Forest as he was on the bench for their final games of last season.
But have we left it too late now Spurs will be in the market?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 11, 2023, 12:38:25 PM
			

			

				I can't see Spurs spending the bulk of the Kane money on a kid from Nottingham Forest.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 11, 2023, 12:41:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on August 11, 2023, 12:34:54 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on August 11, 2023, 12:10:21 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 11, 2023, 11:59:10 AM
It’s interesting there’s an increasing value on proper central midfielders like Rice and Caceido. Makes the value of Dougie, Bouba etc ever more clear.

Luiz and Kamara are simply miles ahead of likes of Caceido and Lavia. Some clubs getting very desperate now. Fair play to Brighton for getting that ridiculous money for Caceido. 

They signed him in 2021 for £4.5m. In 2 years, they've turned a 106.5m profit.

20% of that fee goes to the club Brighton bought him from, which is great business for them too. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on August 11, 2023, 12:52:02 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on August 11, 2023, 12:34:54 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on August 11, 2023, 12:10:21 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 11, 2023, 11:59:10 AM
It’s interesting there’s an increasing value on proper central midfielders like Rice and Caceido. Makes the value of Dougie, Bouba etc ever more clear.

Luiz and Kamara are simply miles ahead of likes of Caceido and Lavia. Some clubs getting very desperate now. Fair play to Brighton for getting that ridiculous money for Caceido. 

They signed him in 2021 for £4.5m. In 2 years, they've turned a 106.5m profit. 
Ben White - £50m
Dan Burn - £13m
Cucurella - £62m
Bissouma - £25m
Trossard - £25m
Graham Potter - £21.5m
Maupay - £10m
MacAllister - £40m
Caicedo - £110m

Unbelievable business.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 11, 2023, 12:54:48 PM
			

			

				Dan Burn certainly 😃
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ian. on August 11, 2023, 12:55:13 PM
			

			

				How have they done this? Do they have someone in the background targeting players instead of the manager, has it been more than one? Who ever it is or whoever they are they certainly know how to spot a potential superstar. I’m surprised they haven’t sold their talent scout yet.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 11, 2023, 12:58:36 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ian. on August 11, 2023, 12:55:13 PM
He have they done this? Do they have someone on the background targeting players instead of the manager, has it been more than one? Who ever it is or whoever they are they certainly know how to spot a potential superstar. I’m surprised they haven’t sold their talent scout yet.

There was a video on YouTube about their recruitment process and apparently they use really advanced statistics to make their decisions. The guy who owns the club made his millions(billions?) through a company that basically advises on high stake bets. They use the same maths, or algorithm, or whatever it is, in their recruitment efforts. 

Apparently the guy who owns Bournemouth (I think) was his business partner for a while, but they fell out and now he's doing something similar there.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on August 11, 2023, 12:58:42 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ian. on August 11, 2023, 12:55:13 PM
How have they done this? Do they have someone in the background targeting players instead of the manager, has it been more than one? Who ever it is or whoever they are they certainly know how to spot a potential superstar. I’m surprised they haven’t sold their talent scout yet.

They have some algorithm thing that helps sort out players with potential. 

Its a big secret within the club & I think the software comes from their owners company.

I cant remember the full details though...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ads on August 11, 2023, 12:59:54 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ian. on August 11, 2023, 12:55:13 PM
How have they done this? Do they have someone in the background targeting players instead of the manager, has it been more than one? Who ever it is or whoever they are they certainly know how to spot a potential superstar. I’m surprised they haven’t sold their talent scout yet.

They're a selling club, you've got to factor that in. It's part of their model and pitch to players too that they can move on.

If we were a club like them, actively selling our best we could have:

£50m for Luiz
£40m for McGinn 
£50m for JJ
£60m for Watkins
£70m for Martinez 

Unenviable profits etc etc 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on August 11, 2023, 01:02:00 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on August 11, 2023, 12:52:02 PM
Quote from: OCD on August 11, 2023, 12:34:54 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on August 11, 2023, 12:10:21 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 11, 2023, 11:59:10 AM
It’s interesting there’s an increasing value on proper central midfielders like Rice and Caceido. Makes the value of Dougie, Bouba etc ever more clear.

Luiz and Kamara are simply miles ahead of likes of Caceido and Lavia. Some clubs getting very desperate now. Fair play to Brighton for getting that ridiculous money for Caceido. 

They signed him in 2021 for £4.5m. In 2 years, they've turned a 106.5m profit. 
Ben White - £50m
Dan Burn - £13m
Cucurella - £62m
Bissouma - £25m
Trossard - £25m
Graham Potter - £21.5m
Maupay - £10m
MacAllister - £40m
Caicedo - £110m

Unbelievable business.


Obviously agree with your overall point, but Maupay sticks out a bit in that list, given he cost them twice as much as they got back for him.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 11, 2023, 01:02:59 PM
			

			

				The one that stands out there is £62m for Cucurella.

Every time I've seen him play he has been utterly bog standard or plain shit.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: London Villan on August 11, 2023, 01:05:00 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 11, 2023, 01:02:59 PM
The one that stands out there is £62m for Cucurella.

Every time I've seen him play he has been utterly bog standard or plain shit.

It's amazing isn't it. He is useless and massively worse VFM than Dan Burn at £13m.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on August 11, 2023, 01:05:58 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on August 11, 2023, 01:02:00 PM

Obviously agree with your overall point, but Maupay sticks out a bit in that list, given he cost them twice as much as they got back for him.
True.  I also think Trossard, Bissouma and MacAllister were worth more and sold cheaply.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 11, 2023, 01:09:18 PM
			

			

				The guys voice on this is kind of annoying but here's the video I was talking about.... 


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ian. on August 11, 2023, 01:11:36 PM
			

			

				It’s fascinating and absolutely incredible how many they sold at such huge profits but also remained in a competitive place in the league.

That algorithm must be worth a fortune one day!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on August 11, 2023, 01:12:03 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 11, 2023, 01:02:59 PM
The one that stands out there is £62m for Cucurella.

Every time I've seen him play he has been utterly bog standard or plain shit.

And he's got saft hair. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 11, 2023, 01:14:47 PM
			

			

				Indeed. He looks like a Poodle.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on August 11, 2023, 01:16:58 PM
			

			

				Easily rattled too, tried to be chippy to McGinn who susbsequently carted him up in air, and minutes later he spooned that header to put Olly clean through.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 11, 2023, 01:20:25 PM
			

			

				Well, if you’re a poodle you don’t mess with a Scottish Terrier.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on August 11, 2023, 01:27:47 PM
			

			

				Tony Bloom certainly knows how to negotiate . 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on August 11, 2023, 01:45:40 PM
			

			

				Zaniolo looks more like a centre forward to me. I could see him or Diaby playing off Watkins, giving us the option of playing Diaby on the right. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on August 11, 2023, 01:47:19 PM
			

			

				On the prices listed I reckon our midfield (Kamara, Luiz, Tielemans, McGinn, JJ, Donk) is worth upwards of £350m, on fees of about £30m. Our eye for a bargain is every bit as good as Brighton, we just keep our good players instead of taking the money.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on August 11, 2023, 01:59:41 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on August 11, 2023, 01:45:40 PM
Zaniolo looks more like a centre forward to me. I could see him or Diaby playing off Watkins, giving us the option of playing Diaby on the right. 

He seems to be able to play in multiple positions. From the Galatasaray highlights I watched he was picking up the ball deep and running with it, playing as a one or a two up front and even attacking down the wings. So he’s certainly versatile and fits the kinds of multifunctional player Emery likes. Different systems for different circumstances. And he seemed healthy enough in those highlights to put himself about considering what he’s gone through. 



			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on August 11, 2023, 02:00:54 PM
			

			

				What's impressive about Brighton isn't just their eye for a bargain and to turn a big profit. But their ability to not only remain competitive but to have been improving year on year. We could sell our players for big profits, but would we just be able to bring a replacement in just as effectively? I hope we don't need to find out but that's what's impressive about them. That and the way they play, with such control. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on August 11, 2023, 02:03:30 PM
			

			

				Our midfield cost about £20m and if we sold them tomorrow we’d fetch the better part of £300m with today’s prices. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 11, 2023, 02:08:20 PM
			

			

				De Zerbi on Caicedo....

"I have already forgotten about Moises. I'm really proud of the players we have in the squad. We want to keep improving. The credit goes to the club. Bigger clubs can buy our players but they can't buy our soul or spirit."

To be fair to Caicedo, he wanted to go in January and the convinced him to stay til the summer, and then signed a new contract, which leaves them in this position where they can get a ridiculous fee for him. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on August 11, 2023, 02:09:51 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on August 11, 2023, 01:47:19 PM
On the prices listed I reckon our midfield (Kamara, Luiz, Tielemans, McGinn, JJ, Donk) is worth upwards of £350m, on fees of about £30m. Our eye for a bargain is every bit as good as Brighton, we just keep our good players instead of taking the money.
Well we've managed to secure two excellent established players on free transfers.  That's not quite the same as what Brighton have done.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on August 11, 2023, 02:11:35 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 11, 2023, 01:59:41 PM
Quote from: OCD on August 11, 2023, 01:45:40 PM
Zaniolo looks more like a centre forward to me. I could see him or Diaby playing off Watkins, giving us the option of playing Diaby on the right. 

He seems to be able to play in multiple positions. From the Galatasaray highlights I watched he was picking up the ball deep and running with it, playing as a one or a two up front and even attacking down the wings. So he’s certainly versatile and fits the kinds of multifunctional player Emery likes. Different systems for different circumstances. And he seemed healthy enough in those highlights to put himself about considering what he’s gone through. 




Why do all those yow tube videos come with such wank music? I'm not expecting Mouldy Old Dough or anything but it's normally unlistenable cack. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gerrin on August 11, 2023, 02:19:52 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 11, 2023, 01:59:41 PM
Quote from: OCD on August 11, 2023, 01:45:40 PM
Zaniolo looks more like a centre forward to me. I could see him or Diaby playing off Watkins, giving us the option of playing Diaby on the right. 

He seems to be able to play in multiple positions. From the Galatasaray highlights I watched he was picking up the ball deep and running with it, playing as a one or a two up front and even attacking down the wings. So he’s certainly versatile and fits the kinds of multifunctional player Emery likes. Different systems for different circumstances. And he seemed healthy enough in those highlights to put himself about considering what he’s gone through. 




He looks absolute quality, I just don't understand why Galatasaray want to sell him, he's only been there since January.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on August 11, 2023, 02:22:12 PM
			

			

				Turkish clubs give it the big'un with meeting wage demands but when they're saddled with them, reality seems to bite after a few months. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: usav on August 11, 2023, 02:26:16 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clampy on August 11, 2023, 02:11:35 PM
Why do all those yow tube videos come with such wank music? I'm not expecting Mouldy Old Dough or anything but it's normally unlistenable cack.

Public domain?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on August 11, 2023, 02:27:09 PM
			

			

				Shit tribute to Public Image Limited
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gerrin on August 11, 2023, 02:42:40 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on August 11, 2023, 02:22:12 PM
Turkish clubs give it the big'un with meeting wage demands but when they're saddled with them, reality seems to bite after a few months. 

OK, on his wiki page it says they paid €15M for him, which was a Turkish record. That seems crazy with today's prices.

It was mentioned that Besiktas were wanting us to pay 60% of Coutinho's wages on loan, as if!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on August 11, 2023, 03:17:58 PM
			

			

				A Gala fan I speak to said they want to do a quick flip with him because money is extremely tight in Turkey & Gala have probably over extended themselves recently due to some of their incomings.

He does rate Zaniolo though. Very highly.

Thinks he is far too good for Turkish football...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 11, 2023, 03:48:17 PM
			

			

				Interesting piece on him here from Roma fans, Risky business. (https://www.chiesaditotti.com/2023/2/13/23596701/nicolo-zaniolo-where-did-it-all-go-wrong-and-whats-next-for-the-former-cant-miss-kid)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on August 11, 2023, 03:48:54 PM
			

			

				Sounds like Chelsea have ditched Adams after agreeing a deal with him to go after Caceido. Sure that kind of conduct will endear them to players/agents.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on August 11, 2023, 03:54:07 PM
			

			

				Zaniolo has been omitted from the Galatasary squad. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Matt C on August 11, 2023, 03:54:10 PM
			

			

				Might send Adams our way too. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ian. on August 11, 2023, 03:59:48 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 11, 2023, 03:54:07 PM
Zaniolo has been omitted from the Galatasary squad. 

Oooooh, I'd get excited, but again I have no idea who he is.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 11, 2023, 04:01:25 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 11, 2023, 03:54:07 PM
Zaniolo has been omitted from the Galatasary squad.

Newcastle were apparently interested in him too, and possibly other clubs. I'm not counting my chikens until they're on the pitch with all their ACLs intact.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on August 11, 2023, 04:02:25 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ian. on August 11, 2023, 03:59:48 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 11, 2023, 03:54:07 PM
Zaniolo has been omitted from the Galatasary squad. 

Oooooh, I'd get excited, but again I have no idea who he is.

Yes, but his name begins with a big Z so he’s got to be good
Zola Zidane Zlatan  it makes sense
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on August 11, 2023, 04:02:46 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 11, 2023, 04:01:25 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 11, 2023, 03:54:07 PM
Zaniolo has been omitted from the Galatasary squad.

Newcastle were apparently interested in him too, and possibly other clubs. I'm not counting my chikens until they're on the pitch with all their ACLs intact.

They don’t have Monchi. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ian. on August 11, 2023, 04:05:06 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: john e on August 11, 2023, 04:02:25 PM
Quote from: Ian. on August 11, 2023, 03:59:48 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 11, 2023, 03:54:07 PM
Zaniolo has been omitted from the Galatasary squad. 

Oooooh, I'd get excited, but again I have no idea who he is.

Yes, but his name begins with a big Z so he’s got to be good
Zola Zidane Zlatan  it makes sense
I'm sold. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Chris Smith on August 11, 2023, 04:09:42 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: john e on August 11, 2023, 04:02:25 PM
Quote from: Ian. on August 11, 2023, 03:59:48 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 11, 2023, 03:54:07 PM
Zaniolo has been omitted from the Galatasary squad. 

Oooooh, I'd get excited, but again I have no idea who he is.

Yes, but his name begins with a big Z so he’s got to be good
Zola Zidane Zlatan  it makes sense

We could all paint big Zs on our cars in tribute.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on August 11, 2023, 04:11:20 PM
			

			

				Zamorano was a top player back in day as well, count me in
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: London Villan on August 11, 2023, 04:11:37 PM
			

			

				Deal done and medical booked for Zaniolo. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on August 11, 2023, 04:13:15 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Chris Smith on August 11, 2023, 04:09:42 PM
Quote from: john e on August 11, 2023, 04:02:25 PM
Quote from: Ian. on August 11, 2023, 03:59:48 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 11, 2023, 03:54:07 PM
Zaniolo has been omitted from the Galatasary squad. 

Oooooh, I'd get excited, but again I have no idea who he is.

Yes, but his name begins with a big Z so he’s got to be good
Zola Zidane Zlatan  it makes sense

We could all paint big Zs on our cars in tribute.

Wouldn't that just make him opt for Everton?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: The Man With A Stick on August 11, 2023, 04:13:18 PM
			

			

				Adama Traore going to Fulham apparently, thank Christ.  Not that I thought there was a chance of us having him back anyway but stranger things have happened.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: enigma on August 11, 2023, 04:13:19 PM
			

			

				Zico!
Zvonomir Boban!
Er, Zoltan Gera...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 11, 2023, 04:15:49 PM
			

			

				Zinedine Zidane?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ian. on August 11, 2023, 04:16:58 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: The Man With A Stick on August 11, 2023, 04:13:18 PM
Adama Traore going to Fulham apparently, thank Christ.  Not that I thought there was a chance of us having him back anyway but stranger things have happened.

Phew!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: The Man With A Stick on August 11, 2023, 04:17:32 PM
			

			

				Ivan Zamorano
Bobby Zamora
um...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeonW on August 11, 2023, 04:17:51 PM
			

			

				Zola!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Martin Carruthers on August 11, 2023, 04:21:53 PM
			

			

				Zinchenko
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on August 11, 2023, 04:22:03 PM
			

			

				Zigic
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 11, 2023, 04:22:43 PM
			

			

				Dino Zoff
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Hookeysmith on August 11, 2023, 04:24:36 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: London Villan on August 11, 2023, 04:11:37 PM
Deal done and medical booked for Zaniolo. 

Where is this?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on August 11, 2023, 04:25:31 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Chris Smith on August 11, 2023, 04:09:42 PM
Quote from: john e on August 11, 2023, 04:02:25 PM
Quote from: Ian. on August 11, 2023, 03:59:48 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 11, 2023, 03:54:07 PM
Zaniolo has been omitted from the Galatasary squad. 

Oooooh, I'd get excited, but again I have no idea who he is.

Yes, but his name begins with a big Z so he’s got to be good
Zola Zidane Zlatan  it makes sense

We could all paint big Zs on our cars in tribute.

That sounds like a great plan
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: London Villan on August 11, 2023, 04:31:44 PM
			

			

				Same guy i got the diaby confirmation off. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 11, 2023, 04:42:47 PM
			

			

				Going but not quite 'Here we go' yet. https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1690025454210560001
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: enigma on August 11, 2023, 04:55:09 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on August 11, 2023, 04:42:47 PM
Going but not quite 'Here we go' yet. https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1690025454210560001
I'd be surprised if we get him for that. Seems a bit of a lowball offer.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: N'ZMAV on August 11, 2023, 04:58:24 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: john e on August 11, 2023, 04:02:25 PM
Quote from: Ian. on August 11, 2023, 03:59:48 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 11, 2023, 03:54:07 PM
Zaniolo has been omitted from the Galatasary squad. 

Oooooh, I'd get excited, but again I have no idea who he is.

Yes, but his name begins with a big Z so he’s got to be good
Zola Zidane Zlatan  it makes sense
 Zigic 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 11, 2023, 05:02:07 PM
			

			

				That seems a very sensible arrangement considering his injuries.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 11, 2023, 05:06:26 PM
			

			

				Tyler Adams relegation release clause was/is €20 million. Was he one of the ones we were linked with? Seems a reasonable price given other sales. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on August 11, 2023, 05:08:25 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 11, 2023, 04:58:24 PM
Quote from: john e on August 11, 2023, 04:02:25 PM
Quote from: Ian. on August 11, 2023, 03:59:48 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 11, 2023, 03:54:07 PM
Zaniolo has been omitted from the Galatasary squad. 

Oooooh, I'd get excited, but again I have no idea who he is.

Yes, but his name begins with a big Z so he’s got to be good
Zola Zidane Zlatan  it makes sense
 Zigic 
Eric Zemba Zemba
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on August 11, 2023, 05:10:58 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 11, 2023, 05:06:26 PM
Tyler Adams relegation release clause was/is €20 million. Was he one of the ones we were linked with? Seems a reasonable price given other sales. 

Yeah, for most of the summer it's seemed. 

Can't stand Chelsea, they really are a bunch of wankers. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: trinityoap on August 11, 2023, 05:12:42 PM
			

			

				There's only one Eric Djemba.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: charlatan on August 11, 2023, 05:27:55 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: olaftab on August 11, 2023, 05:08:25 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 11, 2023, 04:58:24 PM
Quote from: john e on August 11, 2023, 04:02:25 PM
Yes, but his name begins with a big Z so he’s got to be good
Zola Zidane Zlatan  it makes sense
 Zigic 
Eric Zemba Zemba
Romeo Zondervan.
Zondervan is a fully qualified pilot. He was arrested at British customs after they discovered a friend of his was carrying pornographic material from the Netherlands. British tabloid, The Sun, referred to him as the "Porno King". 
Sounds a stretch even for the Sun.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: frank black on August 11, 2023, 05:29:59 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Hookeysmith on August 11, 2023, 04:24:36 PM
Quote from: London Villan on August 11, 2023, 04:11:37 PM
Deal done and medical booked for Zaniolo. 

Where is this?

Let’s wait til the medical is done before we get excited on this one 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 11, 2023, 05:36:44 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on August 11, 2023, 05:10:58 PM
Quote from: AV84 on August 11, 2023, 05:06:26 PM
Tyler Adams relegation release clause was/is €20 million. Was he one of the ones we were linked with? Seems a reasonable price given other sales. 

Yeah, for most of the summer it's seemed. 

Can't stand Chelsea, they really are a bunch of wankers.

We could still have him yet! 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on August 11, 2023, 05:58:30 PM
			

			

				Chelsea have switched attention to Caicedo so Adams will be back in the shop window now 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: jwarry on August 11, 2023, 06:04:46 PM
			

			

				Been pondering over why Zaniolo went to Galatasaray 6 months ago, and why nobody else came in for him, then I spotted a post on Twitter which explained that he was desperate to get away from Roma but things got left too late and the only window left open was Turkey 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on August 11, 2023, 06:05:38 PM
			

			

				Why don't Chelsea and Liverpool share Moses? £55.5m each. He stays south for a couple of weeks and then does a fortnight in Formby, each month for the next 6 years. Character-building for the lad. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on August 11, 2023, 06:06:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: jwarry on August 11, 2023, 06:04:46 PM
Been pondering over why Zaniolo went to Galatasaray 6 months ago, and why nobody else came in for him, then I spotted a post on Twitter which explained that he was desperate to get away from Roma but things got left too late and the only window left open was Turkey
He fell out with Roma and the fans big time and had to escape to Turkey 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on August 11, 2023, 06:31:42 PM
			

			

				How did he piss the Roma fans off? They seem like a pretty easy going bunch. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on August 11, 2023, 06:33:28 PM
			

			

				links to Argentinian lad at Villareal (lazy journo stuff probably), Juan Foyth who can play across the back, mainly on the right. But highly rated
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Damo70 on August 11, 2023, 06:33:46 PM
			

			

				I am chuffed with our new signing as I have always rated him from his Leicester days.

I have also had time off from H&V as I have been under the doctor and have been under the memory clinic and it  has been a very difficult time for me. However my youngest daughter has been amazing and has been taking me to my doctors appointments.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on August 11, 2023, 06:34:20 PM
			

			

				Welcome back pal
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on August 11, 2023, 06:34:48 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Damo70 on August 11, 2023, 06:33:46 PM
I am chuffed with our new signing as I have always rated him from his Leicester days.

I have also had time off from H&V as I have been under the doctor and have been under the memory clinic and it  has been a very difficult time for me. However my youngest daughter has been amazing and has been taking me to my doctors appointments.

Great to see you Damo, hope you are well mate, you've been missed.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dave shelley on August 11, 2023, 06:38:15 PM
			

			

				Welcome back Damo, good to see you again.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 11, 2023, 06:38:23 PM
			

			

				Welcome back Damo, hope things are on the mend!

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rory on August 11, 2023, 06:48:54 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on August 11, 2023, 06:34:48 PM
Quote from: Damo70 on August 11, 2023, 06:33:46 PM
I am chuffed with our new signing as I have always rated him from his Leicester days.

I have also had time off from H&V as I have been under the doctor and have been under the memory clinic and it  has been a very difficult time for me. However my youngest daughter has been amazing and has been taking me to my doctors appointments.

Great to see you Damo, hope you are well mate, you've been missed.

Agreed.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on August 11, 2023, 06:50:56 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Damo70 on August 11, 2023, 06:33:46 PM
I am chuffed with our new signing as I have always rated him from his Leicester days.

I have also had time off from H&V as I have been under the doctor and have been under the memory clinic and it  has been a very difficult time for me. However my youngest daughter has been amazing and has been taking me to my doctors appointments.

Welcome back
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 11, 2023, 06:54:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Damo70 on August 11, 2023, 06:33:46 PM
I am chuffed with our new signing as I have always rated him from his Leicester days.

I have also had time off from H&V as I have been under the doctor and have been under the memory clinic and it  has been a very difficult time for me. However my youngest daughter has been amazing and has been taking me to my doctors appointments.

Hi Damo, hope you are on the mend, good to see you back!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on August 11, 2023, 06:56:16 PM
			

			

				Welcome back Damo. Glad you’re on the mend.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on August 11, 2023, 06:58:10 PM
			

			

				Good to see Damo back
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 11, 2023, 07:10:23 PM
			

			

				Let me add my weight to the Damo welcome back. Welcome back!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on August 11, 2023, 07:14:27 PM
			

			

				who's Damo?




Ah fuck...kidding...welcome back mate
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 11, 2023, 07:20:46 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Damo70 on August 11, 2023, 06:33:46 PM
I am chuffed with our new signing as I have always rated him from his Leicester days.

I have also had time off from H&V as I have been under the doctor and have been under the memory clinic and it  has been a very difficult time for me. However my youngest daughter has been amazing and has been taking me to my doctors appointments.

Welcome back, Damo! You're like a new signing!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 11, 2023, 07:23:53 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 11, 2023, 06:33:28 PM
links to Argentinian lad at Villareal (lazy journo stuff probably), Juan Foyth who can play across the back, mainly on the right. But highly rated

Looks like he's off to Barca.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on August 11, 2023, 07:24:43 PM
			

			

				Brilliant to have you back Damo. Hope you are well. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on August 11, 2023, 07:24:53 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 11, 2023, 07:23:53 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 11, 2023, 06:33:28 PM
links to Argentinian lad at Villareal (lazy journo stuff probably), Juan Foyth who can play across the back, mainly on the right. But highly rated

Looks like he's off to Barca.

will they need to sell off the changing rooms to buy him? Skint bastards
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 11, 2023, 07:25:01 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 11, 2023, 07:23:53 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 11, 2023, 06:33:28 PM
links to Argentinian lad at Villareal (lazy journo stuff probably), Juan Foyth who can play across the back, mainly on the right. But highly rated

Looks like he's off to Barca.

Have they signed Joao Felix yet?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 11, 2023, 07:26:15 PM
			

			

				Glad to see your return Damo 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 11, 2023, 07:31:49 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 11, 2023, 07:25:01 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 11, 2023, 07:23:53 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 11, 2023, 06:33:28 PM
links to Argentinian lad at Villareal (lazy journo stuff probably), Juan Foyth who can play across the back, mainly on the right. But highly rated

Looks like he's off to Barca.

Have they signed Joao Felix yet?

No idea but Juan Foyth has told Villareal he wants to go to Barca. He has a €56m release clause, Barca have been after him for ages and may throw players in (Ferran Torres) to get their man.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: danno on August 11, 2023, 07:32:45 PM
			

			

				Damo! We’ve all Missed your irreverence, and knowledge of obscure television.
Glad you’re back.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on August 11, 2023, 07:34:51 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 11, 2023, 07:20:46 PM
Quote from: Damo70 on August 11, 2023, 06:33:46 PM
I am chuffed with our new signing as I have always rated him from his Leicester days.

I have also had time off from H&V as I have been under the doctor and have been under the memory clinic and it  has been a very difficult time for me. However my youngest daughter has been amazing and has been taking me to my doctors appointments.

Welcome back, Damo! You're like a new signing!

On the eve of 23/24! Couldn't have timed it better with Emi put for the season.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on August 11, 2023, 07:40:03 PM
			

			

				Welcome back Damo, top man.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 11, 2023, 07:46:24 PM
			

			

				Yes Damo, good to see you posting again and I hope things are looking better for you.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 11, 2023, 08:54:45 PM
			

			

				Great to hear from you Damo, welcome back.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Exeter 77 on August 11, 2023, 09:01:07 PM
			

			

				Yes, good to see Damo back.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: oldtimernow on August 11, 2023, 09:30:16 PM
			

			

				Many happy returns , Damo

Has much changed here🤔
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on August 11, 2023, 09:43:33 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 11, 2023, 03:48:17 PM
Interesting piece on him here from Roma fans, Risky business. (https://www.chiesaditotti.com/2023/2/13/23596701/nicolo-zaniolo-where-did-it-all-go-wrong-and-whats-next-for-the-former-cant-miss-kid)

That was an interesting read. 

Sounds like he had a maturity issue at Roma. The Galatasaray fan I speak to has said that he has worked on this during his time in Turkey & he had no complaints about his attitude. For all the beauty within Turkey I imagine the quality of their league was a bit of a humbling experience for a player of Zaniolos quality.

The great thing from all of those comments on the link is that they say he is very skilful, very strong physically, not afraid to put himself about, works his arse off & even after the two knee injuries he could become a regular Champions League starter quality player.

On the flip side, they did say that he could have been a generational player were it not for his two knee injuries that stopped his development for almost two years & the fact that he tried too hard to be spectacular when he came back to prove he was the same player, instead of doing the simple things. 

And I think there must have been a level of frustration there that sapped his confidence.

But then again, if he could have been a "generational player", then we wouldn't be talking about bringing him to Villa, even with the upward trajectory of our club both on & off the field.

If we can get him, & Emery can work his magic, like he has done with Douglas Luiz for example, then he could become a very very useful player to have in the squad.

I wanted the signing before I read that link (& read between the lines a little through the disappointment of those Roma fans), but after reading it, I REALLY want us to sign him now...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on August 11, 2023, 09:48:14 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pablo_picasso on August 11, 2023, 09:43:33 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 11, 2023, 03:48:17 PM
Interesting piece on him here from Roma fans, Risky business. (https://www.chiesaditotti.com/2023/2/13/23596701/nicolo-zaniolo-where-did-it-all-go-wrong-and-whats-next-for-the-former-cant-miss-kid)

That was an interesting read. 

Sounds like he had a maturity issue at Roma. The Galatasaray fan I speak to has said that he has worked on this during his time in Turkey & he had no complaints about his attitude. For all the beauty within Turkey I imagine the quality of their league was a bit of a humbling experience for a player of Zaniolos quality.

The great thing from all of those comments on the link is that they say he is very skilful, very strong physically, not afraid to put himself about, works his arse off & even after the two knee injuries he could become a regular Champions League starter quality player.

On the flip side, they did say that he could have been a generational player were it not for his two knee injuries that stopped his development for almost two years & the fact that he tried too hard to be spectacular when he came back to prove he was the same player, instead of doing the simple things. 

And I think there must have been a level of frustration there that sapped his confidence.

But then again, if he could have been a "generational player", then we wouldn't be talking about bringing him to Villa, even with the upward trajectory of our club both on & off the field.

If we can get him, & Emery can work his magic, like he has done with Douglas Luiz for example, then he could become a very very useful player to have in the squad.

I wanted the signing before I read that link (& read between the lines a little through the disappointment of those Roma fans), but after reading it, I REALLY want us to sign him now...


I agree with all you said
Apart from I thought Douglas Luiz was a fantastic player before Emery got hold of him, and he’s an even better player now
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on August 11, 2023, 09:57:48 PM
			

			

				Oh, I agree. He is a fabulous player...👍
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on August 11, 2023, 10:04:37 PM
			

			

				Under Smith and Gerrard he was a bit too free-spirited, he had all the talent but didn't have the structure to make the most of it. Since Emery got a chance to work with him during the world cp break he's been about as good as any central midfielder in the league.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ldavfc4eva on August 11, 2023, 10:09:32 PM
			

			

				Damo Damo Damo Damo
Damo Damo Damo
Damo Damo
Daaaaamooooo 
Da mo
Damo Damo Damo 

Etc 

Welcome back and hope you are well
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on August 11, 2023, 10:23:04 PM
			

			

				One Damo70, there's only one Damo70.... 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 11, 2023, 10:23:09 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on August 11, 2023, 10:04:37 PM
Under Smith and Gerrard he was a bit too free-spirited, he had all the talent but didn't have the structure to make the most of it. Since Emery got a chance to work with him during the world cp break he's been about as good as any central midfielder in the league.

This. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bad English on August 11, 2023, 10:49:52 PM
			

			

				Does anybody know anyone who has been a DJ in the Canaries and run a bookies? Asking for a friend. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Louzie0 on August 11, 2023, 11:05:15 PM
			

			

				 8) Welcome back Damo!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 12, 2023, 12:41:31 AM
			

			

				Welcome back Damo!

That Juan Foyth was at Spurs, he didn't look great from memory but that was 3/4 years ago.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on August 12, 2023, 01:04:25 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: London Villan on August 11, 2023, 04:11:37 PM
Deal done and medical booked for Zaniolo. 

Hope you’re right LV. Nothing close to that being suggested publicly. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: JD on August 12, 2023, 01:15:16 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Damo70 on August 11, 2023, 06:33:46 PM
I am chuffed with our new signing as I have always rated him from his Leicester days.

I have also had time off from H&V as I have been under the doctor and have been under the memory clinic and it  has been a very difficult time for me. However my youngest daughter has been amazing and has been taking me to my doctors appointments.

Welcome back Damo. Hope you are recovering well.

Good to hear you're back.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ian. on August 12, 2023, 02:02:41 AM
			

			

				Welcome back Damo.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Richard E on August 12, 2023, 06:54:06 AM
			

			

				Damo feels like a new signing. Welcome back.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Mister E on August 12, 2023, 07:09:23 AM
			

			

				Damn! Damo!! - I put money on you returning.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: FatSam on August 12, 2023, 07:48:32 AM
			

			

				Damo! give us a wave
Damo! Damo! give us a wave
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: N'ZMAV on August 12, 2023, 07:58:37 AM
			

			

				Not sure we really need Tyler Adams, we seem well covered for CM options.
Wonder if Zaniolo was on the radar before Emi's injury, I assume so, and expect that it's made signing him more of a priority.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 12, 2023, 08:45:05 AM
			

			

				Jaden Sancho links alive and kicking again. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on August 12, 2023, 08:46:39 AM
			

			

				Welcome back Damo
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rotterdam on August 12, 2023, 09:11:15 AM
			

			

				Yes Damo! Welcome back. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 12, 2023, 09:54:55 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 12, 2023, 08:45:05 AM
Jaden Sancho links alive and kicking again. 

Hopefully, they're just the work of some simple minds on Twitter. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 12, 2023, 09:59:12 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on August 12, 2023, 09:54:55 AM
Quote from: AV84 on August 12, 2023, 08:45:05 AM
Jaden Sancho links alive and kicking again. 

Hopefully, they're just the work of some simple minds on Twitter.

I'd imagine the Buendia injury just sparked up some assumptions coupled with some old links. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Lescottstweets on August 12, 2023, 10:35:35 AM
			

			

				Now Spurs have £100m in the bank I see Levy making a bid for Watkins of £2.75m in instalments.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on August 12, 2023, 10:35:55 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Damo70 on August 11, 2023, 06:33:46 PM
I am chuffed with our new signing as I have always rated him from his Leicester days.

I have also had time off from H&V as I have been under the doctor and have been under the memory clinic and it  has been a very difficult time for me. However my youngest daughter has been amazing and has been taking me to my doctors appointments.
Blimey you are back Damo. I wish I had a bet on that :)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 12, 2023, 11:13:51 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: London Villan on August 11, 2023, 04:11:37 PM
Deal done and medical booked for Zaniolo. 

Im a day behind being in Brum all day on the pub crawls .

The more I think about this , the lad has obviously huge potential and is a talent . I think fresh start  in the best league in the world under Emery this could be an astute signing and could become the player people thought he would become here at the Villa. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: timeoutbigbar on August 12, 2023, 11:14:41 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Lescottstweets on August 12, 2023, 10:35:35 AM
Now Spurs have £100m in the bank I see Levy making a bid for Watkins of £2.75m in instalments.

Plus Josh Onomah, if he's still knocking around somewhere...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on August 12, 2023, 11:29:26 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 12, 2023, 08:45:05 AM
Jaden Sancho links alive and kicking again. 

Well tell them to bog off!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 12, 2023, 11:37:18 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on August 12, 2023, 09:54:55 AM
Quote from: AV84 on August 12, 2023, 08:45:05 AM
Jaden Sancho links alive and kicking again. 

Hopefully, they're just the work of some simple minds on Twitter. 


dont know but Zaniola could be our glittering prize
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 12, 2023, 12:27:58 PM
			

			

				I see Gnonto has refused to play for Leeds again. Stupid boy. Up until now I have liked him here as there's some real talent but this behavior is pathetic. He's trying to force a move to Everton but they don't have the money to buy him, at least for the price Leeds would want and Leeds have already made it plain he's not for sale.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on August 12, 2023, 12:32:08 PM
			

			

				He's one of few Leeds players who didn't have a relegation release clause and he's had to sit back and watch loads of his teammates leave through such clauses. Then he's got Premier League clubs sounding him out about moving, it's got to be very frustrating. Everton aren't the most appealing and we supposedly hold an interest in him too. With Buendia's injury, he could be ideal. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 12, 2023, 12:36:03 PM
			

			

				I understand his frustration but he's not even 20 yet. A year in the Championship won't kill his career.  Being relegated twice in 2 seasons might not do it any good though. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: IFWaters on August 12, 2023, 01:46:53 PM
			

			

				Oh no Big Arry has left spurts. We better all brace ourselves for the warchest to open and Daniel Levy to decide which of our players hes going to take off us. Oh hold on that was a bad dream, I just woke up and realised we're a much better prospect than they are now. Oh dear how sad, never mind!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Tayls_7 on August 12, 2023, 03:04:49 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 12, 2023, 11:37:18 AM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on August 12, 2023, 09:54:55 AM
Quote from: AV84 on August 12, 2023, 08:45:05 AM
Jaden Sancho links alive and kicking again. 

Hopefully, they're just the work of some simple minds on Twitter. 


dont know but Zaniola could be our glittering prize

We do need to be buying someone, (from) somewhere in summertime.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on August 12, 2023, 04:38:27 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Tayls_7 on August 12, 2023, 03:04:49 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 12, 2023, 11:37:18 AM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on August 12, 2023, 09:54:55 AM
Quote from: AV84 on August 12, 2023, 08:45:05 AM
Jaden Sancho links alive and kicking again. 

Hopefully, they're just the work of some simple minds on Twitter. 


dont know but Zaniola could be our glittering prize

We do need to be buying someone, (from) somewhere in summertime.

We'd have very simple minds if we didn't.  4 to come in with Buendia, Ramsey, Moreno and Traore makes us stronger but we need another forward/wide player. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 12, 2023, 04:43:14 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on August 12, 2023, 04:38:27 PM
Quote from: Tayls_7 on August 12, 2023, 03:04:49 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 12, 2023, 11:37:18 AM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on August 12, 2023, 09:54:55 AM
Quote from: AV84 on August 12, 2023, 08:45:05 AM
Jaden Sancho links alive and kicking again. 

Hopefully, they're just the work of some simple minds on Twitter. 

dont know but Zaniola could be our glittering prize

We do need to be buying someone, (from) somewhere in summertime.

We'd have very simple minds if we didn't. 

Don't you forget about me. :(
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 12, 2023, 05:36:29 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on August 12, 2023, 04:43:14 PM
Quote from: Steve67 on August 12, 2023, 04:38:27 PM
Quote from: Tayls_7 on August 12, 2023, 03:04:49 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 12, 2023, 11:37:18 AM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on August 12, 2023, 09:54:55 AM
Quote from: AV84 on August 12, 2023, 08:45:05 AM
Jaden Sancho links alive and kicking again. 

Hopefully, they're just the work of some simple minds on Twitter. 

dont know but Zaniola could be our glittering prize

We do need to be buying someone, (from) somewhere in summertime.

We'd have very simple minds if we didn't. 

Don't you forget about me. :(

lets hope we 'celebrate' with a a win today 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on August 12, 2023, 06:14:25 PM
			

			

				Assuming Mings is out for a while, we need three players at least before the end of August.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SamTheMouse on August 12, 2023, 06:42:28 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on August 12, 2023, 06:14:25 PM
Assuming Mings is out for a while, we need three players at least before the end of August.

Make that six, because the first three will instantly do their ACLs.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on August 12, 2023, 06:43:19 PM
			

			

				Yeah, now we need cover at centre back if we're going to have any hope of having 2 players competing for each position. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on August 12, 2023, 07:27:27 PM
			

			

				Thank the Lord the window is still open. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on August 12, 2023, 07:36:02 PM
			

			

				Someone with pace in the back line. My god that was dreadful. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on August 12, 2023, 07:38:36 PM
			

			

				We need a right back, striker, right sided winger/forward.  After that omnishambles today, I'd also like another defensive midfielder.  We can't buy our way to remove today's result.  I wish we could. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: curiousorange on August 12, 2023, 07:40:25 PM
			

			

				NSWE's credit card will be taking an absolute battering in the next week, I hope.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: TheMalandro on August 12, 2023, 07:43:43 PM
			

			

				After this week, I would hope we are not signing a player that has had a serious knee injury in each leg.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on August 12, 2023, 07:47:05 PM
			

			

				We must get a right back, another 2 x forward / wide options

We need some leadership and physicalness in there.   
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on August 12, 2023, 07:50:20 PM
			

			

				Emery needs to do an O’Neill and demand an entire new back four.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Chris_Jephcott on August 12, 2023, 07:50:44 PM
			

			

				I hate football.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: curiousorange on August 12, 2023, 07:51:30 PM
			

			

				I feel that I'd prefer us to overpay on players we need rather than diddle about trying to be clever.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SamTheMouse on August 12, 2023, 07:52:39 PM
			

			

				Cash needs upgrading, definitely. He's a willing runner, but technically he's lacking. Contrast him with Moreno, who's much more effective going forward because he can keep the ball in tight areas.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Matt C on August 12, 2023, 08:14:46 PM
			

			

				Incredibly, I think we’re going to need another centre half. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on August 12, 2023, 08:20:25 PM
			

			

				Cue the lazy links to Maguire again.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on August 12, 2023, 08:21:31 PM
			

			

				Yes we’re going to have to get in a centre back now. I’d be looking at someone experienced.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on August 12, 2023, 08:28:00 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on August 12, 2023, 08:20:25 PM
Cue the lazy links to Maguire again.

Didn’t he go to West Ham? Need someone to organise now Mings is out though.

Konsa is a follower not a leader 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 12, 2023, 08:31:43 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Gareth on August 12, 2023, 08:28:00 PM
Quote from: Steve67 on August 12, 2023, 08:20:25 PM
Cue the lazy links to Maguire again.

Didn’t he go to West Ham? Need someone to organise now Mings is out though.

Konsa is a follower not a leader

The deal hasn't gone through yet, Mancs don't want him to go until they've narrowed down potential replacement and started negotiations. Madness.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on August 12, 2023, 08:33:23 PM
			

			

				Absolute minimum we need in the next two weeks:

A central defender
A forward/striker
A right back

They need to be quality too, and we should be looking to double what we've spent so far.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on August 12, 2023, 08:46:45 PM
			

			

				Laporte for centre back? Suggestion not a rumour.  I know Laporte and Torres didn’t work in the one WC game but surely can be coached to be a unit?  Find a Spanish right back and could have a compete Spanish speaking back line when Moreno is fit
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on August 12, 2023, 08:50:38 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on August 12, 2023, 08:33:23 PM
Absolute minimum we need in the next two weeks:

A central defender
A forward/striker
A right back

They need to be quality too, and we should be looking to double what we've spent so far.
I agree but I don’t see it happening.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rigadon on August 12, 2023, 08:53:00 PM
			

			

				We need a centre forward who can score 8/10 chances they get.  What we have now is 5/10.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 12, 2023, 09:04:07 PM
			

			

				I fear we are about to discover the degree to which Mings’ organisational ability enables Konsa to perform. 

I reckon we’ll start with Carlos and Torres next week. 

We’ve also seen how important Moreno is to how we play. We can’t just switch sides and have Cash do that on the right because he just is not good enough. 

I remain convinced not renewing Ashley Young was a mistake. 

We need a right back, a Buendia style player and, unbelievably, a centre half in quickly. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on August 12, 2023, 09:24:46 PM
			

			

				Do we know when Ramsey and Moreno are due back?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on August 12, 2023, 09:26:56 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on August 12, 2023, 09:24:46 PM
Do we know when Ramsey and Moreno are due back?
September is what I’ve heard - just waiting for confirmation on the year 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 12, 2023, 09:26:58 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on August 12, 2023, 09:24:46 PM
Do we know when Ramsey and Moreno are due back?

Moreno early September 
Ramsey mid September 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on August 12, 2023, 09:29:59 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rigadon on August 12, 2023, 08:53:00 PM
We need a centre forward who can score 8/10 chances they get.  What we have now is 5/10. 

Eh? We have a 1 in 2 striker and you want a 4 out of 5? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Lastfootstamper on August 12, 2023, 09:30:11 PM
			

			

				Can we hibernate til then, then?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on August 12, 2023, 09:32:37 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on August 12, 2023, 09:29:59 PM
Quote from: Rigadon on August 12, 2023, 08:53:00 PM
We need a centre forward who can score 8/10 chances they get.  What we have now is 5/10. 

Eh? We have a 1 in 2 striker and you want a 4 out of 5? 

Read it as marks out of ten and it makes more sense! ;)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on August 12, 2023, 09:41:59 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on August 12, 2023, 06:14:25 PM
Assuming Mings is out for a while, we need three players at least before the end of August.

We still have Torres and Carlos for LCB and Carlos, Konsa and Chambers for RCB. I'd keep Chambers. Getting another option at RB was a must at the end of last season and is still a bigger priority now. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on August 12, 2023, 09:45:09 PM
			

			

				Carlos who’s recently come back from an ACL? I wouldn’t be chancing that.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 12, 2023, 09:46:09 PM
			

			

				Carlos was a snapped Achilles wasn’t he?

Even worse. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on August 12, 2023, 09:47:48 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: brontebilly on August 12, 2023, 09:41:59 PM
Quote from: Risso on August 12, 2023, 06:14:25 PM
Assuming Mings is out for a while, we need three players at least before the end of August.

We still have Torres and Carlos for LCB and Carlos, Konsa and Chambers for RCB. I'd keep Chambers. Getting another option at RB was a must at the end of last season and is still a bigger priority now.

I’d disagree, we have lost the organiser and the one who attacks the ball…unless Torres or Carlos can take on those roles we are vulnerable in the key position because Konsa is and never has been capable of either role.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on August 12, 2023, 09:48:21 PM
			

			

				We really need Monchi burning the midnight oil this week. Get that Italian kid in if he's any good. No Samatta-style panic buys please.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: taylorsworkrate on August 12, 2023, 09:48:39 PM
			

			

				I've been to see Halesowen Town in the seventh tier of English football today, and Iegitimately think that none of their back line would have been worse than Villa's today
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 12, 2023, 09:50:30 PM
			

			

				Yesterday I was thinking of posting something along the lines of how, with the world and his wife saying we're headed for a very good place, this being Villa, we all knew what would happen.

I didn't but hey, I was fucking right.

*smacks head against wall*
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on August 12, 2023, 09:50:52 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 12, 2023, 09:46:09 PM
Carlos was a snapped Achilles wasn’t he?

Even worse. 

Ah yes in which case that solidifies the point more. We need experience and numbers.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on August 12, 2023, 09:53:42 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Gareth on August 12, 2023, 09:47:48 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on August 12, 2023, 09:41:59 PM
Quote from: Risso on August 12, 2023, 06:14:25 PM
Assuming Mings is out for a while, we need three players at least before the end of August.

We still have Torres and Carlos for LCB and Carlos, Konsa and Chambers for RCB. I'd keep Chambers. Getting another option at RB was a must at the end of last season and is still a bigger priority now.

I’d disagree, we have lost the organiser and the one who attacks the ball…unless Torres or Carlos can take on those roles we are vulnerable in the key position because Konsa is and never has been capable of either role.

I'd pair Torres and Carlos the next day. Agreed on Konsa, worried about him without Mings. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 12, 2023, 09:56:22 PM
			

			

				I think we need Moreno back ASAP. We're looking at back 4 of 

NoOtherChoice 
BarelyPlayedForAYear
60MinutesInThePrem
2ndChoice 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on August 12, 2023, 10:00:57 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 12, 2023, 09:50:30 PM
Yesterday I was thinking of posting something along the lines of how, with the world and his wife saying we're headed for a very good place, this being Villa, we all knew what would happen.

I didn't but hey, I was fucking right.

*smacks head against wall*

I thought people were over confident about today and this was always going to be a really hard game. Granted I didn’t think we’d completely give up and ship five, but a loss was always on the cards.

The Mings injury is a huge blow and is massively disruptive, but if we can navigate through it I can absolutely see us having 6 points from 9. Not easy, but entirely possible, and then things will look a lot better.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on August 12, 2023, 10:05:23 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 12, 2023, 09:50:30 PM
Yesterday I was thinking of posting something along the lines of how, with the world and his wife saying we're headed for a very good place, this being Villa, we all knew what would happen.

I didn't but hey, I was fucking right.

*smacks head against wall*

I said exactly the same to my mate.

Reminds me of 1997/98 under Sir Brian. Had just had a good season and finished 5th. Splurged out to get the "missing piece of the jigsaw" in Collymore, and also added the well regarded Alan Thompson. Lots of feelings that this could be "our year", then lose the first 4 in a row including a 4-0 home dicking by Blackburn.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: MalcolmP on August 12, 2023, 10:08:49 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on August 12, 2023, 08:33:23 PM
Absolute minimum we need in the next two weeks:

A central defender
A forward/striker
A right back

They need to be quality too, and we should be looking to double what we've spent so far.
 dont forget a back uo keeper. If Martinez gets injured we are screwed
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 12, 2023, 10:09:20 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Gareth on August 12, 2023, 09:47:48 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on August 12, 2023, 09:41:59 PM
Quote from: Risso on August 12, 2023, 06:14:25 PM
Assuming Mings is out for a while, we need three players at least before the end of August.

We still have Torres and Carlos for LCB and Carlos, Konsa and Chambers for RCB. I'd keep Chambers. Getting another option at RB was a must at the end of last season and is still a bigger priority now.

I’d disagree, we have lost the organiser and the one who attacks the ball…unless Torres or Carlos can take on those roles we are vulnerable in the key position because Konsa is and never has been capable of either role.

This is absolutely correct.

I'd also add that on top of his organisational duties at the back, he's an immense figure for the rest of the team.

He's basically Petrovian.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 12, 2023, 10:11:31 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 12, 2023, 10:00:57 PM

I thought people were over confident about today and this was always going to be a really hard game. Granted I didn’t think we’d completely give up and ship five, but a loss was always on the cards.

The Mings injury is a huge blow and is massively disruptive, but if we can navigate through it I can absolutely see us having 6 points from 9. Not easy, but entirely possible, and then things will look a lot better.

Yeah, I felt like a draw would have been a really good result for us if we could have got it. Losing didn't surprise me, but the way in which we did it was extremely disappointing. I said it in the match thread though, it was so extraordinarily bad that it has to have been an anomaly. It might matter at the end of the season if its between us and Newcastle for whatever place finish, but for now it's just one to forget about and move on. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on August 12, 2023, 10:23:35 PM
			

			

				Our worst ever Premier League era opening day result apparently.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 12, 2023, 10:30:09 PM
			

			

				It's pretty amazing after the global licking of our ringpiece and puff pieces in the press everywhere of late, we're already into "don't watch MOTD or any football coverage" territory on weekend one.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 12, 2023, 10:31:05 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on August 12, 2023, 10:23:35 PM
Our worst ever Premier League era opening day result apparently.

Have we had many worse results at any point of the season in the Premier League? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on August 12, 2023, 10:32:28 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 12, 2023, 10:31:05 PM
Quote from: Risso on August 12, 2023, 10:23:35 PM
Our worst ever Premier League era opening day result apparently.

Have we had many worse results at any point of the season in the Premier League? 

Yes of course we have, literally dozens. Did you start supporting us last year?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 12, 2023, 10:33:14 PM
			

			

				Just ask Lambert.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 12, 2023, 10:37:47 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on August 12, 2023, 10:32:28 PM
Quote from: AV84 on August 12, 2023, 10:31:05 PM
Quote from: Risso on August 12, 2023, 10:23:35 PM
Our worst ever Premier League era opening day result apparently.

Have we had many worse results at any point of the season in the Premier League? 

Yes of course we have, literally dozens. Did you start supporting us last year?

No, I just don't carry a list of results around in my brain. I remember 8-0 to Chelsea, and a 6-0 Liverpool hiding, and that's about it. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 12, 2023, 10:42:14 PM
			

			

				It's not even our worst result at SJP in the PL.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: curiousorange on August 12, 2023, 10:44:41 PM
			

			

				A couple of results to Southampton spring to mind. There was that one under Lambert where they shredded us their first season back, and the record-breaking Mané hat-trick.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on August 12, 2023, 10:45:10 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 12, 2023, 10:37:47 PM
Quote from: Risso on August 12, 2023, 10:32:28 PM
Quote from: AV84 on August 12, 2023, 10:31:05 PM
Quote from: Risso on August 12, 2023, 10:23:35 PM
Our worst ever Premier League era opening day result apparently.

Have we had many worse results at any point of the season in the Premier League? 

Yes of course we have, literally dozens. Did you start supporting us last year?

No, I just don't carry a list of results around in my brain. I remember 8-0 to Chelsea, and a 6-0 Liverpool hiding, and that's about it. 

7-1 Chelsea. 6-1 Man City when we came back up. 6-0 Newcastle after O'Neill buggered off. 6-1 Southampton before the FA Cup final under Dim Tim. Quite a few 5-0 games, eg Blackburn away (with Savo spitting).
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on August 12, 2023, 10:46:12 PM
			

			

				We’ve taken more than our fair share of batterings. But it happens to pretty much every team with the exception of those cheating wankers Man City. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: curiousorange on August 12, 2023, 10:46:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 12, 2023, 10:42:14 PM
It's not even our worst result at SJP in the PL.

Ouch, yeah. 8 days after we trollied West Ham on the opening day.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 12, 2023, 10:46:39 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on August 12, 2023, 10:32:28 PM
Quote from: AV84 on August 12, 2023, 10:31:05 PM
Quote from: Risso on August 12, 2023, 10:23:35 PM
Our worst ever Premier League era opening day result apparently.

Have we had many worse results at any point of the season in the Premier League? 

Yes of course we have, literally dozens. Did you start supporting us last year?

Yeah.

I went to my first match when i was about 8, so 47 years ago.  In that time, I genuinely think about 30% of those matches, there was not one single redeeming feature in how we played. 

That's probably not far off about 500 matches.

Today was one of the most depressing first days of the season ever (although 86-7 was the worst for me), but I can think of redeeming features - Diaby looked quality. There's one.

So, what I guess I mean is, the bar has been set so unbelievably low, that you'd really struggle to suggest that even today's bucket of sloppy shit was anything like the depths to which we have previously sunk.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 12, 2023, 10:48:20 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on August 12, 2023, 10:45:10 PM
Quote from: AV84 on August 12, 2023, 10:37:47 PM
Quote from: Risso on August 12, 2023, 10:32:28 PM
Quote from: AV84 on August 12, 2023, 10:31:05 PM
Quote from: Risso on August 12, 2023, 10:23:35 PM
Our worst ever Premier League era opening day result apparently.

Have we had many worse results at any point of the season in the Premier League? 

Yes of course we have, literally dozens. Did you start supporting us last year?

No, I just don't carry a list of results around in my brain. I remember 8-0 to Chelsea, and a 6-0 Liverpool hiding, and that's about it. 

7-1 Chelsea. 6-1 Man City when we came back up. 6-0 Newcastle after O'Neill buggered off. 6-1 Southampton before the FA Cup final under Dim Tim. Quite a few 5-0 games, eg Blackburn away (with Savo spitting).

That midweek match at home to Man City (not even Abu Dhabi rich cheat Man City, actual old, proper, shit Man City) when they beat us 5-0 (under Venglos I think) and David White scored at least 4 of them, and possibly all 5.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 12, 2023, 10:48:47 PM
			

			

				Actually, statistically, it's not even the worst result at Newcastle in the last 12 months.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on August 12, 2023, 10:48:58 PM
			

			

				Yes, everything went wrong today, but we've still got lots to be thankful for. It's just that with Villa we've often seen how things get into a death spiral depressingly quickly.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Meanwood Villa on August 12, 2023, 10:50:55 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on August 12, 2023, 10:23:35 PM
Our worst ever Premier League era opening day result apparently.

I'm intrigued when we've had a worse opening day result at all but I can't be arsed checking the complete record now. Will have a look tomorrow. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Meanwood Villa on August 12, 2023, 10:51:56 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 12, 2023, 10:48:47 PM
Actually, statistically, it's not even the worst result at Newcastle in the last 12 months.

5-1 is considered a bigger victory/heavier defeat than 4-0 isn't it?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 12, 2023, 10:52:00 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Meanwood Villa on August 12, 2023, 10:50:55 PM
Quote from: Risso on August 12, 2023, 10:23:35 PM
Our worst ever Premier League era opening day result apparently.

I'm intrigued when we've had a worse opening day result at all but I can't be arsed checking the complete record now. Will have a look tomorrow. 

Depends if you are just looking at it in terms of goals scored.

I'd suggest losing 0-3 to Wigan was much, much worse than today.

Saudi Arabia are at least a decent side. And they were at home.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Meanwood Villa on August 12, 2023, 10:53:13 PM
			

			

				I assumed Risso's factoid was statistically speaking
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: DC1874 on August 12, 2023, 11:04:44 PM
			

			

				Isn't the whole point we are the new Villa not the same spineless sa me cu next tuesday of old?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on August 12, 2023, 11:18:20 PM
			

			

				We'll see in the next few weeks.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 12, 2023, 11:21:24 PM
			

			

				I wonder if we might see if Man City really want to move Laporte on.

Obviously, having fucking fleeced us.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on August 12, 2023, 11:32:46 PM
			

			

				Emery already came out and said the club has targeted more players. Today won’t have changed any of that. It just might make us shell out a few more quid. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 13, 2023, 12:02:01 AM
			

			

				I'd buy Kyle Walker-Peters, Laporte and a mystery amazing striker.


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on August 13, 2023, 12:04:17 AM
			

			

				We really, really should have gone for Barnes. An assist and a goal on his debut. I bet Bailey won't have achieved that by Christmas.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Aldridge Villa on August 13, 2023, 12:17:22 AM
			

			

				I hope Bailey is gone before the next Bank Holiday never mind Christmas.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SoccerHQ on August 13, 2023, 01:11:41 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 12, 2023, 10:42:14 PM
It's not even our worst result at SJP in the PL.

That 6-0 in 2010 was a total shocker.

We still had a very decent team in those days and Newcastle were newly promoted.

I remember I was driving back from somewhere, stopped for a pub lunch 30 minutes in expecting us to be 1 or 2-0 up, looked at the scoreline and it said Newcastle 3-0 and promptly walked back out again!

Got back home just as Carroll scored his hat trick and their sixth.

Since we last won at Newcastle we've won twice at Old Trafford in the league which says it all for what a bad ground it's become for us. Not like they were even any good until 18 months ago.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on August 13, 2023, 01:12:54 AM
			

			

				If there is any silver lining to these two injuries they didn’t happen in September. We have time and money to get good players in. Just a damn shame that it’s happened at all. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SoccerHQ on August 13, 2023, 01:13:49 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: DC1874 on August 12, 2023, 11:04:44 PM
Isn't the whole point we are the new Villa not the same spineless sa me cu next tuesday of old?

Pretty much every side chucks one in at some point in the season. 12 months back Man. United were losing 4-0 at Brentford and were every bit as bad as we were today.

If you have to have a ground zero result in the season better to have it in August than April when games are running out and more damage is done.

Worry for me is if we lose heavily at Liverpool and then feels like a season where we'll be very brittle on the road especially without Mings.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SoccerHQ on August 13, 2023, 01:14:58 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 12, 2023, 11:21:24 PM
I wonder if we might see if Man City really want to move Laporte on.

Obviously, having fucking fleeced us.

That feels like an Asensio/Felix link to me.

Massive coup if we pull that off though.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ROBBO on August 13, 2023, 01:27:13 AM
			

			

				We really need competition for Watkins he misses too many chances, as hard a worker as he is he does lack that bit of quality.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeonW on August 13, 2023, 05:34:15 AM
			

			

				Not done enough so far 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: sid1964 on August 13, 2023, 07:08:18 AM
			

			

				Has Maguire signed for West Ham yet??
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on August 13, 2023, 07:11:59 AM
			

			

				I would assume yesterday will accelerate a few things. A tenacious attacking mid that presses the ball well is clearly important, Buendia did that role so well, so does Ransey. Getting a player in that mould is very important.

A defensively solid right back.

A leader at centre half.

A ball winning holding midfielder.

A striker that takes chances.

I understand we won't get all of those things, but we are missing them all. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rigadon on August 13, 2023, 07:36:00 AM
			

			

				Our biggest failing is taking chances when they come.  I can think of 2 straight forward ones yesterday (Watkins, Cash) and a harder one (Diaby at the near post), and the header from the corner (was it Luiz)?  Those go in and it’s a very different game.  We have to take those chances and to be honest that’s a failing we’ve had for a long time - it was (along with the lack of managerial ability) what did for Gerard.  

The whole team needs more goals but if we’re not trying to buy a centre forward I’d wonder why not.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Goldenballs on August 13, 2023, 07:53:24 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: sid1964 on August 13, 2023, 07:08:18 AM
Has Maguire signed for West Ham yet??
Maguire trying to play a high line would be a disaster. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Meanwood Villa on August 13, 2023, 08:37:43 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Meanwood Villa on August 12, 2023, 10:50:55 PM
Quote from: Risso on August 12, 2023, 10:23:35 PM
Our worst ever Premier League era opening day result apparently.

I'm intrigued when we've had a worse opening day result at all but I can't be arsed checking the complete record now. Will have a look tomorrow. 

For those interested in this, from my flick through the complete record this morning, we have only conceded 5 on the opening day once before. That was a 5-2 defeat to Bolton in 1951/52. We finished that season 6th so perhaps all is not lost. There were two examples of 4-0 opening day defeats, one to Newcastle in 1926/27, the last time they won the league. Hopefully not an omen. The other one is probably remembered by folks on here, 1985/86 to Man Utd. We finished 10th and 16th respectively in those seasons.

So whether this was statistically our worst opening day defeat ever hinges on how it is measured. Received wisdom seems to be to look at margin of defeat first, then the fewest number of goals scored by the defeated team is the worst. There is some logic to this because biggest victories are by the same measure, that is considering the goals scored by the team in question. However, to my mind the reverse should be true of worst defeats. The more goals conceded makes the defeat worse, just as it makes the victory greater for the other team. 

So in my book, that is our worst opening day defeat ever but it won't be in the record books. None of this makes what happened yesterday any better.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on August 13, 2023, 09:04:02 AM
			

			

				I guess we now need players in attack and defence. Games are going to come thick and fast and we’ve lost Young, Emi and Tyrone from last years squad. No Sanson either, who might have been useful at times. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Holy Trinity on August 13, 2023, 09:37:06 AM
			

			

				With Mings and Buendia now both out and already a gaping hole at both left and right back one to due injury and one due to some madness at the club we have to open the cheque book again now!

Fair enough ignore left back as we can probably muddle through but right back and centre back has to be number 1 priority now and they won't be cheap. I'd even muddle through with Watkins until Jan and see what the lay of the land is by then as both baily and diably can play CF and if Zanionlo comes in as well that's half decent coverage. 
Cash has constantly shown he's not top half Premier league standard, he has his moments but for the most part is bang average.   
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: frank black on August 13, 2023, 09:47:41 AM
			

			

				I’d say
1…right back
2…commanding central defender
3…Striker

We surely won’t be able to address all these in this window and within our budget (which I suspect isn’t as large as some think). Zaniolo looks like he could play up top. We’ve been linked with a couple of right sided defenders. But is a central defender now more important?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on August 13, 2023, 10:07:37 AM
			

			

				I would say priority has to be a right back and another forward option.  I think we’ll be able to find a good combination between the current CBs - I think that will come with time.  

Emi and mings are two of our more competitive players, think the lack of high press didn’t help - so maybe a forward option that can help with the high press.  Bailey is effectively a non entity and a waste of a pick.  

Would be good to know how much football Phil has in him as he feels like he could be key - but pretty sure he’ll break down 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 13, 2023, 10:16:49 AM
			

			

				No idea who this player might be but a right back that can fill in a CB would be ideal. A player like White at Arsenal.
He’d be useful for Plan A (the asymmetrical back 4) plus would provide cover for injuries at CB.

Foyth from Villareal might be an easy/lazy solution.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: frank black on August 13, 2023, 10:34:18 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 13, 2023, 10:16:49 AM
No idea who this player might be but a right back that can fill in a CB would be ideal. A player like White at Arsenal.
He’d be useful for Plan A (the asymmetrical back 4) plus would provide cover for injuries at CB.

Foyth from Villareal might be an easy/lazy solution.  

Apparently a great player, but insisting on a move to Barca. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on August 13, 2023, 10:42:02 AM
			

			

				This the Barca that couldn't register Gundogan until a day before la liga due to their lack of money.

Left back and right back need cover/ options now. Be interesting what/ who we go for at centre half. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on August 13, 2023, 10:42:24 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 13, 2023, 10:16:49 AM
No idea who this player might be but a right back that can fill in a CB would be ideal. A player like White at Arsenal.
He’d be useful for Plan A (the asymmetrical back 4) plus would provide cover for injuries at CB.

Foyth from Villareal might be an easy/lazy solution. 

I think you just described Chambers :-)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 13, 2023, 10:58:43 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Gareth on August 13, 2023, 10:42:24 AM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 13, 2023, 10:16:49 AM
No idea who this player might be but a right back that can fill in a CB would be ideal. A player like White at Arsenal.
He’d be useful for Plan A (the asymmetrical back 4) plus would provide cover for injuries at CB.

Foyth from Villareal might be an easy/lazy solution. 

I think you just described Chambers :-)

I genuine upgrade on chambers (and cash) would be ideal. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeonW on August 13, 2023, 11:09:49 AM
			

			

				Too many ifs right now and too much reliance on Emery working miracles with what we’ve got which is not sustainable. We’ve not done nearly enough in this transfer window even accounting for our unfortunate injuries. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on August 13, 2023, 12:23:15 PM
			

			

				Will we sign a replacement for Tyrone, a leader and someone who can organise the back line?

He’s a bit of an old head now but is a leader and organiser at the back, Simon Kjaer, tons of experience, might be a cheap short term solution and sure was at Seville so knows Monchi. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on August 13, 2023, 12:24:33 PM
			

			

				I wish we hadn't mucked about in pre-season trying Torres at left back.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: mallo on August 13, 2023, 12:40:37 PM
			

			

				2 defenders and genuine competition for Watkins are pretty much essential now
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Chris Smith on August 13, 2023, 12:46:36 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on August 13, 2023, 12:24:33 PM
I wish we hadn't mucked about in pre-season trying Torres at left back.

If we hadn’t we wouldn’t know if it was viable or not. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on August 13, 2023, 12:51:46 PM
			

			

				Priorities should be a RB & a top quality striker with height, power & pace.

For me, Watkins is backup quality, if we are trying to become an elite club. 

I just wish we had picked up Isak when he was available. He is ideal for our front line.

Hopefully Zaniolo can become that for us, if we can negotiate a deal with the purchase 'option' within a loan.


Quote from: Risso on August 13, 2023, 12:24:33 PM
I wish we hadn't mucked about in pre-season trying Torres at left back.

I am hoping that we just bite the bullet & go straight to a back pairing of Diego Carlo & Pau Torres. 

They are the stronger defenders & if we are going to have to get them up to speed in a rush, then lets just get it out of the way.

Konsa is already up to speed & tbh, in my humble opinion, is a weaker footballer & defender than Carlos, so should be backup. 

Especially after yesterdays debacle.

And having Carlos next to Torres should help with the aerial issues that Torres might have.

We conceded quite a few in a short space of time while Mings & Konsa got up to speed with how Emery wanted them to play, so I see a few more high conceding games in the near future.

So we might as well just bite the bullet & go with the strongest pairing we have in terms of ability.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: 85kota on August 13, 2023, 12:54:34 PM
			

			

				We don't really know about Carlos's ability.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on August 13, 2023, 12:56:13 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: 85kota on August 13, 2023, 12:54:34 PM
We don't really know about Carlos's ability.

We do know about his ability from his time at Sevilla. 

Well, some of us do...

The main question is his fitness after his achilles injury...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: 85kota on August 13, 2023, 01:01:40 PM
			

			

				That's the point...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ROBBO on August 13, 2023, 01:08:15 PM
			

			

				What would the so called top clubs do if faced with losing two very important players for the season, they would not be bothered by paying over the top to preserve their position.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on August 13, 2023, 01:10:02 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ROBBO on August 13, 2023, 01:08:15 PM
What would the so called top clubs do if faced with losing two very important players for the season, they would not be bothered by paying over the top to preserve their position.

And maybe we will. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: danno on August 13, 2023, 01:11:20 PM
			

			

				I don’t consider letting the second eldest outfielder in the league leave, a mistake in of itself. But if Ashley Young was keeping Cash out the team then not replacing him IS a mistake.

Perhaps we have Monchi working on something but it seems a strange one.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on August 13, 2023, 01:27:44 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: 85kota on August 13, 2023, 01:01:40 PM
That's the point...

And how will we find out if he is ready?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Paul.S on August 13, 2023, 01:48:32 PM
			

			

				We now have gaping holes in the squad due to this unbelievable run of serious injuries.
There’s no way anyone could’ve foreseen this and I think Emery will divert his attention to a centre half and a right back. If we have the money a right winger would be nice but a forward? I can’t see us spending north of £70m on one now.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on August 13, 2023, 01:55:06 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clampy on August 13, 2023, 01:10:02 PM
Quote from: ROBBO on August 13, 2023, 01:08:15 PM
What would the so called top clubs do if faced with losing two very important players for the season, they would not be bothered by paying over the top to preserve their position.

And maybe we will. 

Indeed. And also it’s probably pretty exceptional to lose two key men within 3 days. I think we, and any club, need a few days just to assess the right way to deal with it.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on August 13, 2023, 01:56:25 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pablo_picasso on August 13, 2023, 01:27:44 PM
Quote from: 85kota on August 13, 2023, 01:01:40 PM
That's the point...

And how will we find out if he is ready?

I think he’ll be fine, and in a weird way this now presents him with an opportunity that might not have come. Hopefully he can get a run of games and show us what he showed at Sevilla.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on August 13, 2023, 02:08:37 PM
			

			

				The Conference league might perversely help us get our team sorted this season. Carlos will almost certainly play, so will get back up to match fitness. Others can show on a competitive stage what they can do and push for places in the league. I can't belive Monchi isn't working on a right and potentially left back option.

Holding midfield worries me too. Brighton reportedly in for Adams from Leeds after Chelsea have pulled out, natural leader and much better player than given credit for. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: TonyD on August 13, 2023, 03:03:57 PM
			

			

				Definitely need to buy more players.  
There is still time. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ger Regan on August 13, 2023, 03:53:48 PM
			

			

				The only positive is the time left in the window. Time for monchi to earn his salary.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on August 13, 2023, 03:58:59 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ger Regan on August 13, 2023, 03:53:48 PM
The only positive is the time left in the window. Time for monchi to earn his salary.

Cue some inevitably calling our acquisitions panic buys. It’s the way 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: curiousorange on August 13, 2023, 04:39:57 PM
			

			

				A couple of rumours on Twitter that Jack Harrison has had an offer from Villa.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on August 13, 2023, 04:53:52 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 13, 2023, 01:56:25 PM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on August 13, 2023, 01:27:44 PM
Quote from: 85kota on August 13, 2023, 01:01:40 PM
That's the point...

And how will we find out if he is ready?

I think he’ll be fine, and in a weird way this now presents him with an opportunity that might not have come. Hopefully he can get a run of games and show us what he showed at Sevilla.

Absolutely. Fingers crossed he comes good.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dazvillain on August 13, 2023, 05:01:53 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: curiousorange on August 13, 2023, 04:39:57 PM
A couple of rumours on Twitter that Jack Harrison has had an offer from Villa.

And left Everton after starting a medical !
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 13, 2023, 05:02:04 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: curiousorange on August 13, 2023, 04:39:57 PM
A couple of rumours on Twitter that Jack Harrison has had an offer from Villa.

under whelming 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on August 13, 2023, 05:02:33 PM
			

			

				I think Harrison is a good player. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on August 13, 2023, 05:03:11 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 13, 2023, 05:02:33 PM
I think Harrison is a good player. 

He is. Always plays well against us too. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on August 13, 2023, 05:03:36 PM
			

			

				He's just signed for Everton though?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villafirst on August 13, 2023, 05:04:09 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: danno on August 13, 2023, 01:11:20 PM
I don’t consider letting the second eldest outfielder in the league leave, a mistake in of itself. But if Ashley Young was keeping Cash out the team then not replacing him IS a mistake.

Perhaps we have Monchi working on something but it seems a strange one.

Agree, Young was terrific last season - I simply can't see the logic in not giving him a further 12 month extension. UE made the decision not long after last season ended, and here we are nearly 3 months on with no replacement. I'm amazed a new striker hasn't been signed and a better keeper to replace Olsen.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dazvillain on August 13, 2023, 05:04:34 PM
			

			

				Lots of attacking threat needed and talked about, but in light of Ty’s injury has anyone heard of any more CB’s talked about or rumoured ?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on August 13, 2023, 05:04:55 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on August 13, 2023, 05:03:36 PM
He's just signed for Everton though?

Some suggestion he hasn’t signed yet and has got an offer from us. Could be utter bullshit of course 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on August 13, 2023, 05:05:56 PM
			

			

				Yeah might well be. Also annoying that he’s going to Everton just before we play them.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villafirst on August 13, 2023, 05:07:52 PM
			

			

				We should also have signed Harvey Barnes - it was reported that he was open to moving to VP. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on August 13, 2023, 05:12:53 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Villafirst on August 13, 2023, 05:07:52 PM
We should also have signed Harvey Barnes - it was reported that he was open to moving to VP. 

It feels to me that our choice was between Diaby and Barnes, and I’m happy with the former if that’s the case.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: frank black on August 13, 2023, 05:19:26 PM
			

			

				Jack Harrison last minute trolley dash apparently.

Zaniolo possibly to Newcastle now… not sure of source on this one though 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Matt C on August 13, 2023, 05:21:37 PM
			

			

				Looks like this Harrison story is true. Not a superstar signing but in terms of replacing Buendia’s qualities when we wouldn’t have budgeted for it, it makes sense. He’d certainly help us with the press which based on yesterdays evidence, is sorely needed. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on August 13, 2023, 05:25:00 PM
			

			

				If we do it’ll be funny and he’s a good player.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: curiousorange on August 13, 2023, 05:26:10 PM
			

			

				Up to the player apparently due to a relegation clause being met. Pretty awkward in that medical bay right now, I imagine.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Jon Crofts on August 13, 2023, 05:26:48 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 13, 2023, 05:04:55 PM
Quote from: Risso on August 13, 2023, 05:03:36 PM
He's just signed for Everton though?

Some suggestion he hasn’t signed yet and has got an offer from us. Could be utter bullshit of course 

Harrison to Everton was only ever a loan move apparently and it does sound like we’ve made a move for him on a perm. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 13, 2023, 05:27:57 PM
			

			

				Adds a bit of spice to the next match, I suppose. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: curiousorange on August 13, 2023, 05:28:21 PM
			

			

				In a classic Villa move, Harrison's also injured until after the international break.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: N'ZMAV on August 13, 2023, 05:28:59 PM
			

			

				We should sign Ashley Young 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Chris_Jephcott on August 13, 2023, 05:35:02 PM
			

			

				Fabrizio saying Harrison wants to join us over Everton. 


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 13, 2023, 05:35:10 PM
			

			

				Fabrizio saying Emery called Harrison directly and he's agreed to join us. 
			

			

				Title: Jack Harrison

				Post by: Toronto Villa on August 13, 2023, 05:35:15 PM
			

			

				Being strongly suggested that Harrison has decided to join us and not Everton 

https://x.com/fabrizioromano/status/1690762665642086400?s=46
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: astonvilla82 on August 13, 2023, 05:39:53 PM
			

			

				
{alt}
 talksport said the same 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: KevinGage on August 13, 2023, 05:39:55 PM
			

			

				More nuisance value than Bailey, I suppose. 

But has been a bit meh anytime I had the misfortune of watching Leedzzz last season. 
			

			

				Title: Re: Jack Harrison

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 13, 2023, 05:40:39 PM
			

			

				No problem with a loan deal.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: danno on August 13, 2023, 05:41:26 PM
			

			

				Isn’t Coutinho the obvious replacement for Buendia? signing somebody else doesn’t indicate us having much faith in him coming good.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Goldenballs on August 13, 2023, 05:42:30 PM
			

			

				Don't rate him, but we'll see. 
			

			

				Title: Re: Jack Harrison

				Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 13, 2023, 05:42:43 PM
			

			

				I suppose it saves a bit of time by signing them injured.
			

			

				Title: Re: Jack Harrison

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 13, 2023, 05:43:13 PM
			

			

				Good player but isn’t he injured?
			

			

				Title: Re: Jack Harrison

				Post by: Hookeysmith on August 13, 2023, 05:43:19 PM
			

			

				Always liked him and will bring more impact than Bailey 
			

			

				Title: Re: Jack Harrison

				Post by: AV84 on August 13, 2023, 05:43:47 PM
			

			

				Does it scream panic buy if we've apparently hijacked it at the last possible minute? Does it matter? 

Interestingly just looking him up and there's a story that says we were actually interested in him earlier in the window but the perceived lack of first team opportunities made him prefer Everton. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: N'ZMAV on August 13, 2023, 05:44:10 PM
			

			

				I'd rather Bowen from West Ham
			

			

				Title: Re: Jack Harrison

				Post by: Goldenballs on August 13, 2023, 05:44:24 PM
			

			

				A relegation clause to be allowed to leave on loan isn't a common one, can't recall hearing of these.

Don't rate him, but can't really lose on this one. 
			

			

				Title: Re: Jack Harrison

				Post by: SoccerHQ on August 13, 2023, 05:46:59 PM
			

			

				Don't really rate him. His output massively decreased since Bielsa left so not convinced he's a good fit for slower style.

Seems to have been linked with us for about 18 months and Gerrard would've been slaughtered if he'd come in under his watch.

Don't really understand the logic to this signing given he's injured and Ramsey should be fit in a few weeks (unless he's had a setback).

Surely a better plan is to sign someone for RW so we've got flexibility to move Diaby to CF or even to the left on occasions?

Let's not fall into the trap of signing squad players and elevating them to starters again just because we're getting a few injuries. 
			

			

				Title: Re: Jack Harrison

				Post by: adrenachrome on August 13, 2023, 05:48:01 PM
			

			

				
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Sorry Everton fans but when Aston Villa and Unai Emery come knocking, it’s a different kind of knock.

Welcome Jack Harrison 

			

			

				Title: Re: Jack Harrison

				Post by: Clampy on August 13, 2023, 05:50:13 PM
			

			

				Bit of a strange move. Not what I was expecting really. 

			

			

				Title: Re: Jack Harrison

				Post by: Paul.S on August 13, 2023, 05:50:26 PM
			

			

				If Emery wants the right side to sit in then this is fine. Wouldn’t be my first choice but maybe the injuries have changed a few things.
			

			

				Title: Re: Jack Harrison

				Post by: AV84 on August 13, 2023, 05:54:09 PM
			

			

				It's a loan, option to buy but not mandatory. 
			

			

				Title: Re: Jack Harrison

				Post by: VillaTim on August 13, 2023, 05:55:01 PM
			

			

				Good player , very happy with this 
			

			

				Title: Re: Jack Harrison

				Post by: KNVillan on August 13, 2023, 05:58:12 PM
			

			

				Late twist…he is injured out for 5/6 weeks

https://x.com/fabrizioromano/status/1690769123901370368?s=61&t=0hDYp8sAC4KCDeo1iQp4OQ
			

			

				Title: Re: Jack Harrison

				Post by: Toronto Villa on August 13, 2023, 06:01:03 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 13, 2023, 05:43:47 PM
Does it scream panic buy if we've apparently hijacked it at the last possible minute? Does it matter? 

Interestingly just looking him up and there's a story that says we were actually interested in him earlier in the window but the perceived lack of first team opportunities made him prefer Everton. 

Why is it a panic deal? Not even a buy. The club have said there are other deals being worked on and possibly this was considered due to Buendia. But I don’t see how this is panic if it’s a player that was on our list but a bit lower down that’s ok isn’t it? And he’s not immediately available I think but not a serious injury. 
			

			

				Title: Re: Jack Harrison

				Post by: Toronto Villa on August 13, 2023, 06:02:16 PM
			

			

				I just hope this doesn’t impact the Zaniolo deal
			

			

				Title: Re: Jack Harrison

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 13, 2023, 06:02:19 PM
			

			

				Super, super Jack..super, super Jack...

Too soon?
			

			

				Title: Re: Jack Harrison

				Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 13, 2023, 06:03:31 PM
			

			

				Considering their manager has said in his pressers that he's not due back to training until at least the international break then I very much doubt that we had to be informed about it or it's a late twist. 
			

			

				Title: Re: Jack Harrison

				Post by: Dave on August 13, 2023, 06:03:40 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 13, 2023, 05:43:13 PM
Good player but isn’t he injured?

Mediocre player, and injured.  
			

			

				Title: Re: Jack Harrison

				Post by: VillaTim on August 13, 2023, 06:03:53 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: KNVillan on August 13, 2023, 05:58:12 PM
Late twist…he is injured out for 5/6 weeks

https://x.com/fabrizioromano/status/1690769123901370368?s=61&t=0hDYp8sAC4KCDeo1iQp4OQ
Surely we'd have known this already ?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on August 13, 2023, 06:04:48 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 13, 2023, 05:44:10 PM
I'd rather Bowen from West Ham

Well, obviously. But we're not going to be forking over the £80m or so they'd ask for, are we?
			

			

				Title: Re: Jack Harrison

				Post by: VillaTim on August 13, 2023, 06:04:55 PM
			

			

				Fabrizio seems to be backtracking a bit here 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Jon Crofts on August 13, 2023, 06:05:06 PM
			

			

				A loan, so nowt to lose.
			

			

				Title: Re: Jack Harrison

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 13, 2023, 06:05:50 PM
			

			

				David Ornstein reckons he’s going to Everton. 
			

			

				Title: Re: Jack Harrison

				Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on August 13, 2023, 06:06:20 PM
			

			

				Jackson isn’t super talented, but he’s consistent and works hard. As a loan that’s decent.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: curiousorange on August 13, 2023, 06:06:34 PM
			

			

				The Athletic still seem pretty convinced Everton are signing him.
			

			

				Title: Re: Jack Harrison

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 13, 2023, 06:07:10 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: VillaTim on August 13, 2023, 06:04:55 PM
Fabrizio seems to be backtracking a bit here 

So we hadn’t realised he was out injured?

What nonsense, clearly backtracking. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on August 13, 2023, 06:07:10 PM
			

			

				Apparently he injured so villa might be pulling out of this one 
			

			

				Title: Re: Jack Harrison

				Post by: TheMalandro on August 13, 2023, 06:10:33 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Woofles The Wonder Dog on August 13, 2023, 06:06:20 PM
Jackson isn’t super talented, but he’s consistent and works hard. As a loan that’s decent.

Good luck in getting the Holte to sing that.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 13, 2023, 06:11:22 PM
			

			

				Everyone but Romano seems to know he's injured. There's zero chance that if we are interested in him, we didn't know he's injured. 
			

			

				Title: Re: Jack Harrison

				Post by: AV84 on August 13, 2023, 06:11:24 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 13, 2023, 06:01:03 PM
Quote from: AV84 on August 13, 2023, 05:43:47 PM
Does it scream panic buy if we've apparently hijacked it at the last possible minute? Does it matter? 

Interestingly just looking him up and there's a story that says we were actually interested in him earlier in the window but the perceived lack of first team opportunities made him prefer Everton. 

Why is it a panic deal? Not even a buy. The club have said there are other deals being worked on and possibly this was considered due to Buendia. But I don’t see how this is panic if it’s a player that was on our list but a bit lower down that’s ok isn’t it? And he’s not immediately available I think but not a serious injury.

I didn't say it was, I just asked if it felt like one. 

The fact we're trying to nick him off Everton's medical table certainly suggests it's a reactionary deal at the very least. 

But all that may be irrelevant now. 
			

			

				Title: Re: Jack Harrison

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 13, 2023, 06:12:55 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 13, 2023, 06:07:10 PM
Quote from: VillaTim on August 13, 2023, 06:04:55 PM
Fabrizio seems to be backtracking a bit here 

So we hadn’t realised he was out injured?

What nonsense, clearly backtracking. 

You only have to look at who started this thread, it won't end well. :(
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 13, 2023, 06:13:09 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 13, 2023, 06:11:22 PM
Everyone but Romano seems to know he's injured. There's zero chance that if we are interested in him, we didn't know he's injured. 

Exactly. 
			

			

				Title: Re: Jack Harrison

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 13, 2023, 06:14:46 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on August 13, 2023, 06:12:55 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 13, 2023, 06:07:10 PM
Quote from: VillaTim on August 13, 2023, 06:04:55 PM
Fabrizio seems to be backtracking a bit here 

So we hadn’t realised he was out injured?

What nonsense, clearly backtracking. 

You only have to look at who started this thread, it won't end well. :(

I was about to say the same. 

What a nightmare start to the season he’s having. 
			

			

				Title: Re: Jack Harrison

				Post by: Dave on August 13, 2023, 06:17:26 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: VillaTim on August 13, 2023, 06:04:55 PM
Fabrizio seems to be backtracking a bit here

I appreciate that in the hype=clicks=money world of social media it's how it has to be, but goodness me Romano.

"the incredible Jack Harrison saga"

I mean, yeah. The journey of Odysseus back from the Trojan war, the Epic of Gilgamesh and now the story of a two-bob winger choosing whether to sit on Villa's bench or start a few matches for Everton.

F*** off.
			

			

				Title: Re: Jack Harrison

				Post by: Toronto Villa on August 13, 2023, 06:18:03 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 13, 2023, 06:14:46 PM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on August 13, 2023, 06:12:55 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 13, 2023, 06:07:10 PM
Quote from: VillaTim on August 13, 2023, 06:04:55 PM
Fabrizio seems to be backtracking a bit here 

So we hadn’t realised he was out injured?

What nonsense, clearly backtracking. 

You only have to look at who started this thread, it won't end well. :(

I was about to say the same. 

What a nightmare start to the season he’s having. 

Nah I don’t read much into that stuff like others. Jinxes are for the weak minded. It’s all predetermined in the stars. I’m just reporting the news. 
			

			

				Title: Re: Jack Harrison

				Post by: AV84 on August 13, 2023, 06:18:21 PM
			

			

				Surely our medical team have enough to be keeping them busy at the moment without another to look after. 
			

			

				Title: Re: Jack Harrison

				Post by: TheMalandro on August 13, 2023, 06:18:26 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on August 13, 2023, 06:12:55 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 13, 2023, 06:07:10 PM
Quote from: VillaTim on August 13, 2023, 06:04:55 PM
Fabrizio seems to be backtracking a bit here 

So we hadn’t realised he was out injured?

What nonsense, clearly backtracking. 

You only have to look at who started this thread, it won't end well. :(

Jack Harrison going to Everton would be a great ending to this thread.
			

			

				Title: Re: Jack Harrison

				Post by: PaulWinch again on August 13, 2023, 06:18:57 PM
			

			

				So he’s going to Everton then?
			

			

				Title: Re: Jack Harrison

				Post by: Toronto Villa on August 13, 2023, 06:19:01 PM
			

			

				It’s Romano who’s having a mare of late. He’s no John Percy
			

			

				Title: Re: Jack Harrison

				Post by: Toronto Villa on August 13, 2023, 06:19:47 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 13, 2023, 06:18:21 PM
Surely our medical team have enough to be keeping them busy at the moment without another to look after. 

That might have been the deciding factor. A call from the Dr to Emery “what the fuck are you thinking?”
			

			

				Title: Re: Jack Harrison

				Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 13, 2023, 06:20:15 PM
			

			

				Not everybody loves Romano. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on August 13, 2023, 06:21:58 PM
			

			

				I’m about to take Footy style leave of absence. I need to announce it with some drama though. Working on it 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on August 13, 2023, 06:22:22 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 13, 2023, 06:13:09 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 13, 2023, 06:11:22 PM
Everyone but Romano seems to know he's injured. There's zero chance that if we are interested in him, we didn't know he's injured. 

Exactly. 

Yet bizarrely Everton are still pushing ahead. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: BC Villain on August 13, 2023, 06:23:19 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Beard82 on August 13, 2023, 06:07:10 PM
Apparently he injured so villa might be pulling out of this one

Amateurish from Emery and the club if they didn't know this beforehand.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Lsvilla on August 13, 2023, 06:25:01 PM
			

			

				Imagine when he lines up against us next Sunday. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 13, 2023, 06:26:49 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: BC Villain on August 13, 2023, 06:23:19 PM
Quote from: Beard82 on August 13, 2023, 06:07:10 PM
Apparently he injured so villa might be pulling out of this one

Amateurish from Emery and the club if they didn't know this beforehand.

There's no evidence we're actually interested, and even less that we are and didn't know what everyone apart from Romano already knew. So no. it's not remotely amateurish is it. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on August 13, 2023, 06:28:59 PM
			

			

				No. It seems both clubs weren’t told about his injury. So we might have inquired when he was having the medical at Everton and the injury was revealed. We then backed off. It’s possible Harrison’s people leaked the news to the likes of Romano. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 13, 2023, 06:29:15 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Lsvilla on August 13, 2023, 06:25:01 PM
Imagine when he lines up against us next Sunday. 

He won’t though will he. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on August 13, 2023, 06:31:05 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 13, 2023, 06:28:59 PM
No. It seems both clubs weren’t told about his injury. So we might have inquired when he was having the medical at Everton and the injury was revealed. 

"Revealed"?

Stick "Jack Harrison injury" into Google and lots of sites have been saying for several weeks that he's injured. The Leeds manager has been updating the press on his injury. 

I don't think it's a secret.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 13, 2023, 06:31:31 PM
			

			

				There’s absolutely zero chance both the clubs didn’t know he was injured. About eight people on this thread alone said ‘but he’s injured’. 

Looks like the medical will have revealed the extent of his injury and we dropped out. 

It would have been a bit odd to buy in a pre-injured player (yea yes yes Downing before someone says it)


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 13, 2023, 06:31:37 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 13, 2023, 06:28:59 PM
No. It seems both clubs weren’t told about his injury. So we might have inquired when he was having the medical at Everton and the injury was revealed. We then backed off. It’s possible Harrison’s people leaked the news to the likes of Romano. 

They didn't need to be told. This is Farke from over a week ago

Quote
Asked later about Greenwood, Harrison and firstly Adams, Farke said of Adams: “ He has improved after we spoke the last time, two weeks ago. I think Tyler's hopefully not too far away from returning back to team training. With Jack, it will last perhaps even a bit longer. I spoke about it, I just expect them to be really in the mix of competitive games after the international break.

“Hopefully Tyler can return earlier and get back to team training but he was out for such a long time. He needs also bits of training. It's not like, ‘okay, he’s back into training and then just after six hours he can play the first competitive game’. He needs a few days of training.

"It will be the same as Jack so I expect them just to be really in the mix after the first international break. Sam Greenwood is more or less the same, so much improved. I hope he's back in training in a couple of weeks. I would say he is in the final stages of his rehab.”

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 13, 2023, 06:33:45 PM
			

			

				Never mind

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: frank black on August 13, 2023, 06:34:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 13, 2023, 06:26:49 PM
Quote from: BC Villain on August 13, 2023, 06:23:19 PM
Quote from: Beard82 on August 13, 2023, 06:07:10 PM
Apparently he injured so villa might be pulling out of this one

Amateurish from Emery and the club if they didn't know this beforehand.

There's no evidence we're actually interested, and even less that we are and didn't know what everyone apart from Romano already knew. So no. it's not remotely amateurish is it. 

TBF the leak came from the Everton camp. I suspect we had a dabble then realised the extent of the injury (hip, l believe). Comes across as a bit silly, as his injury is common knowledge…perhaps we thought it was minor? oh well
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on August 13, 2023, 06:34:20 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on August 13, 2023, 06:31:05 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 13, 2023, 06:28:59 PM
No. It seems both clubs weren’t told about his injury. So we might have inquired when he was having the medical at Everton and the injury was revealed. 

"Revealed"?

Stick "Jack Harrison injury" into Google and lots of sites have been saying for several weeks that he's injured. The Leeds manager has been updating the press on his injury. 

I don't think it's a secret.

My point being how does he get to the medical table at Everton. Even if you don’t believe the Villa bit though a bit of that might have some truth to it, how do the Everton team not just use Google? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Jon Crofts on August 13, 2023, 06:35:03 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 13, 2023, 06:29:15 PM
Quote from: Lsvilla on August 13, 2023, 06:25:01 PM
Imagine when he lines up against us next Sunday. 

He won’t though will he. 

He might have had wheels fitted by then. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 13, 2023, 06:41:23 PM
			

			

				Romano is the Gary Lineker of football news. Reliable as he's usually there for the tap in after someone else has done the hard work, but occasionally shits himself or lobs a penalty straight at the keeper. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on August 13, 2023, 06:42:58 PM
			

			

				What's happened to the Jack Harrison thread and has Toronto been sacked? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on August 13, 2023, 06:43:55 PM
			

			

				I think he’s been pretty solid and reliable for the most part. But he’s announcing everything now. It’s got to the point where instead doing the sure thing, and sticking the penalty into the bottom corner he’s trying top corner efforts and ballooning them or Panenka’s and lobbing them into the keepers arms. 



			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on August 13, 2023, 06:45:46 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clampy on August 13, 2023, 06:42:58 PM
What's happened to the Jack Harrison thread and has Toronto been sacked? 

That wasn’t Toronto. My account was hacked by the Footy Villa conglomerate 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 13, 2023, 06:51:52 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 13, 2023, 06:34:20 PM
Quote from: Dave on August 13, 2023, 06:31:05 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 13, 2023, 06:28:59 PM
No. It seems both clubs weren’t told about his injury. So we might have inquired when he was having the medical at Everton and the injury was revealed. 

"Revealed"?

Stick "Jack Harrison injury" into Google and lots of sites have been saying for several weeks that he's injured. The Leeds manager has been updating the press on his injury. 

I don't think it's a secret.

My point being how does he get to the medical table at Everton. Even if you don’t believe the Villa bit though a bit of that might have some truth to it, how do the Everton team not just use Google? 

I suspect it's because the medical will have revealed in more detail how long it is until he will be fit again.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 13, 2023, 06:52:30 PM
			

			

				I don't know what Everton are at but we did apparently have Harrison on our list earlier in the window, and had approached him in some capacity.  So it's possible we had moved on and stopped paying attention to him entirely and then his name pops up in conversation after the last 3 days we've had, and we're told he's about to sign for Everton, so we rush in to stop it before anyone's had a chance to check if he's even fit. 

I dunno... I just can't really see two clubs fighting over a player who can't even play, but then two clubs fighting over a player they don't know that basic fact about seems even stranger. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: itmustbe_it is! on August 13, 2023, 06:53:57 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 13, 2023, 06:41:23 PM
Romano is the Gary Lineker of football news. Reliable as he's usually there for the tap in after someone else has done the hard work, but occasionally shits himself or lobs a penalty straight at the keeper. 

Excellent
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: curiousorange on August 13, 2023, 06:58:04 PM
			

			

				The medical was a surveyor's report. If we'd have bought him knowing what it said it would have been a case of buyer's remorse. Everton obviously feel they can live with it.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on August 13, 2023, 07:00:06 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 13, 2023, 06:51:52 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 13, 2023, 06:34:20 PM
Quote from: Dave on August 13, 2023, 06:31:05 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 13, 2023, 06:28:59 PM
No. It seems both clubs weren’t told about his injury. So we might have inquired when he was having the medical at Everton and the injury was revealed. 

"Revealed"?

Stick "Jack Harrison injury" into Google and lots of sites have been saying for several weeks that he's injured. The Leeds manager has been updating the press on his injury. 

I don't think it's a secret.

My point being how does he get to the medical table at Everton. Even if you don’t believe the Villa bit though a bit of that might have some truth to it, how do the Everton team not just use Google? 

I suspect it's because the medical will have revealed in more detail how long it is until he will be fit again.

That’s likely what happened. I don’t think the extent of the injury would have been obvious based on what was public info. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on August 13, 2023, 07:09:44 PM
			

			

				In any case we’re clearly still looking at a wide player.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave P on August 13, 2023, 07:12:01 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: BC Villain on August 13, 2023, 06:23:19 PM
Quote from: Beard82 on August 13, 2023, 06:07:10 PM
Apparently he injured so villa might be pulling out of this one

Amateurish from Emery and the club if they didn't know this beforehand.

Not half as amateurish as knowing he is injured now and still signing him. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 13, 2023, 07:14:56 PM
			

			

				Which thread lasted longer, Harrison or AOC? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 13, 2023, 07:15:41 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 13, 2023, 07:14:56 PM
Which thread lasted longer, Harrison or AOC? 

Age of Chance.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: TheMalandro on August 13, 2023, 07:19:42 PM
			

			

				I think it was bullshit. Romano said earlier that Emery has spoken to Harrison personally and that it was agreed. 

Thank god anyway!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on August 13, 2023, 07:42:31 PM
			

			

				This is all very weird. He’s allegedly out for 3-4 weeks and we’re apparently looking for a replacement for Buendia, unless the medical suggested he’d be out for a lot longer then we must want someone pretty urgently.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on August 13, 2023, 07:50:24 PM
			

			

				I thought it sounded odd when the story broke. It didn't feel like an Emery kind of signing. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Yeltzer on August 13, 2023, 08:01:54 PM
			

			

				Maguire as a replacement for Mings, anyone??
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on August 13, 2023, 08:04:47 PM
			

			

				I hope we are not after Harrison.

He is the definition of average.

Injured or otherwise...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RamboandBruno on August 13, 2023, 08:06:55 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Yeltzer on August 13, 2023, 08:01:54 PM
Maguire as a replacement for Mings, anyone??
No
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Exeter 77 on August 13, 2023, 08:07:26 PM
			

			

				Harrison would be a very 2019/20 signing. A bit like Samatta after Wesley got injured.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 13, 2023, 08:14:37 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Yeltzer on August 13, 2023, 08:01:54 PM
Maguire as a replacement for Mings, anyone??

Don't even think it.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on August 13, 2023, 08:25:00 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Yeltzer on August 13, 2023, 08:01:54 PM
Maguire as a replacement for Mings, anyone??

We spent thirty odd million on Diego Carlos and Pau Torres, if we're buying Harry Maguire, it would render those transfers a bit redundant, no?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Richard E on August 13, 2023, 08:26:15 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Yeltzer on August 13, 2023, 08:01:54 PM
Maguire as a replacement for the cones in training, anyone??

FTFY
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john2710 on August 13, 2023, 08:29:11 PM
			

			

				I'm going to say it & no doubt I'll be shot down for it. But Maguire, for all his faults, ticks many of the boxes to replace what Ming's brought to the side. Leadership, strength, experience & aerial presence.

The main concern would be his ability to work with a high line. But replacing Ming's won't be easy, cheap or without risk. I think Maguire, in the time available, is as close as we're likely to get.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: TheMalandro on August 13, 2023, 08:31:51 PM
			

			

				Perhaps it’s fate, his head looks like the North Stand.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Exeter 77 on August 13, 2023, 08:37:53 PM
			

			

				If Tyrone is out for an extended period as looks very likely Maguire would be a good replacement but I would only take him as a loan.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 13, 2023, 08:38:36 PM
			

			

				I'm not trying undermine the importance of Mings to our team but it's a bit ridiculous to think in a squad of 15 or 16 players there's nobody who can step up and take charge in his absence. I hope Moreno or J Ramsey have a bit of something about them when they get back or we could be in for a very long season. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: TelfordVilla on August 13, 2023, 08:38:48 PM
			

			

				I don't like the thought of maguire in a Villa shirt, but he could just be the answer short term.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on August 13, 2023, 08:40:39 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: TelfordVilla on August 13, 2023, 08:38:48 PM
I don't like the thought of maguire in a Villa shirt, but he could just be the answer short term.

Not in a team who wants to play a high line.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeonW on August 13, 2023, 08:43:49 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: john2710 on August 13, 2023, 08:29:11 PM
I'm going to say it & no doubt I'll be shot down for it. But Maguire, for all his faults, ticks many of the boxes to replace what Ming's brought to the side. Leadership, strength, experience & aerial presence.

The main concern would be his ability to work with a high line. But replacing Ming's won't be easy, cheap or without risk. I think Maguire, in the time available, is as close as we're likely to get.

I think you’ve just highlighted the main reason why; he can’t play a high line which is what we do. West Ham sit deep which will suit him. I think Maguire would be a disaster for how we play and he’s already a reclamation job. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 13, 2023, 08:45:21 PM
			

			

				Maguire looks like a Funko Pop. So it's a no from me. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 13, 2023, 08:45:26 PM
			

			

				Although I can see the logic it’s still a no from me. The bloke’s a ******. Also it’s £30m plus, I’d sooner us get some experienced veteran that can still perform on a short deal, or just ride with Carlos/Torres pairing as they are very good players. The question is just whether they’ll adapt to English football but we should probably find out considering they cost a combined £60m plus. 
Besides I think he’ll still end up at Wet Spam.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 13, 2023, 08:46:50 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: john2710 on August 13, 2023, 08:29:11 PM
I'm going to say it & no doubt I'll be shot down for it. But Maguire, for all his faults, ticks many of the boxes to replace what Ming's brought to the side. Leadership, strength, experience & aerial presence.

The main concern would be his ability to work with a high line. But replacing Ming's won't be easy, cheap or without risk. I think Maguire, in the time available, is as close as we're likely to get.

I agree.. providing Man U pay his wages.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeonW on August 13, 2023, 08:47:36 PM
			

			

				The other thing with Maguire is there would be the worry if we drew a Greek team in the conference league what could happen. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on August 13, 2023, 08:50:17 PM
			

			

				I'd sooner go and get Smalling from Roma as an experienced head than go near Maguire.

Villa are cursed. We really are. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Nelly on August 13, 2023, 08:56:36 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 13, 2023, 08:45:21 PM
Maguire looks like a Funko Pop. So it's a no from me. 

Really made me laugh!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on August 13, 2023, 09:01:14 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on August 13, 2023, 08:25:00 PM
Quote from: Yeltzer on August 13, 2023, 08:01:54 PM
Maguire as a replacement for Mings, anyone??

We spent thirty odd million on Diego Carlos and Pau Torres, if we're buying Harry Maguire, it would render those transfers a bit redundant, no?

Well, not really. We bought them both with Mings being fit, so if he's out for a year, then having Mghuire wouldn't really change the plan that much. 

As for the points made about him not playing the high line very well, there's no reason he couldn't be taught it in the same way as Emery's going to have teach Torres and Carlos. He doesn't appear to be any slower than either of those two.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dave shelley on August 13, 2023, 09:05:03 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 13, 2023, 08:38:36 PM
I'm not trying undermine the importance of Mings to our team but it's a bit ridiculous to think in a squad of 15 or 16 players there's nobody who can step up and take charge in his absence. I hope Moreno or J Ramsey have a bit of something about them when they get back or we could be in for a very long season. 

I see Tyrone Kings as a talisman for this club, I believe you can't buy that.  He's a big miss.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on August 13, 2023, 09:06:03 PM
			

			

				I would rather just get someone who will fit the system. I’m pretty sure Pau can, given he played a key role for Emery for a number of years. He just had a bad day, along with most of the team.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on August 13, 2023, 09:07:41 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 13, 2023, 09:06:03 PM
I would rather just get someone who will fit the system. I’m pretty sure Pau can, given he played a key role for Emery for a number of years. He just had a bad day, along with most of the team.

I'm a bit worried about Pau, and whether he can cope with the speed and physicality of the Premier League. I'd have been less worried about those things with Mings fit, but I think he might get done for pace and bullied a bit.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: achilles on August 13, 2023, 09:08:51 PM
			

			

				Torres and Carlos are nowhere near ready to play together in a high-line system in the PL but it certainly looks like we are stuck with it! Konsa looks totally lost without Mings next to him telling him what to do!

Banker bet for Villa games over 2.5 goals
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on August 13, 2023, 09:09:48 PM
			

			

				Maybe, but I’d like to think he’ll adapt. He will need the right support alongside him, and I do hope DC will bring that physicality. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 13, 2023, 09:10:11 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: dave shelley on August 13, 2023, 09:05:03 PM
Quote from: AV84 on August 13, 2023, 08:38:36 PM
I'm not trying undermine the importance of Mings to our team but it's a bit ridiculous to think in a squad of 15 or 16 players there's nobody who can step up and take charge in his absence. I hope Moreno or J Ramsey have a bit of something about them when they get back or we could be in for a very long season. 

I see Tyrone Kings as a talisman for this club, I believe you can't buy that.  He's a big miss.

I agree he's a big miss, and he is more to the club than just what he is on the pitch on match day. But he's not even the actual captain, is he even vice captain or whatever they're called? McGinn needs to step up big time. Not blaming him for yesterday, everyone was shit, but going forward he needs to really lead the team. And as I said, I'd find it hard to believe that there's nobody else in the squad who can pick up some slack now. Is it possible we've built a team of followers, not a leader among them? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on August 13, 2023, 09:14:25 PM
			

			

				I'd make Martinez captain. He seemed to be the only one who still gave a shit by the end against Newcastle.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 13, 2023, 09:16:09 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on August 13, 2023, 09:14:25 PM
I'd make Martinez captain. He seemed to be the only one who still gave a shit by the end against Newcastle.

I agree with your reasoning but I'm not sure goalkeepers as captains are the best option. Although if we're as hard up for leaders as we looked yesterday, why the hell not. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on August 13, 2023, 09:19:32 PM
			

			

				He spends half the game 20 yards outside of his area!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on August 13, 2023, 09:23:04 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on August 13, 2023, 09:14:25 PM
I'd make Martinez captain. He seemed to be the only one who still gave a shit by the end against Newcastle.
Actually not a bad shout . World Cup winner and an enforcer . Leader. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 13, 2023, 09:23:55 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on August 13, 2023, 09:19:32 PM
He spends half the game 20 yards outside of his area!

I know but do we really need to be encouraging him to do it more! 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: danno on August 13, 2023, 09:26:05 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on August 13, 2023, 09:14:25 PM
I'd make Martinez captain. He seemed to be the only one who still gave a shit by the end against Newcastle.

I honestly think who wears the armband is not that important, look at who was captain before Mings.  But at least with an outfielder that’s someone who can approach the referee constantly and has permission to talk to him without the risk of getting booked.

It would also be a massive slap down given to McGinn after six months of great performances to strip him of the captaincy after one defeat.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Lsvilla on August 13, 2023, 09:27:22 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 13, 2023, 06:29:15 PM
Quote from: Lsvilla on August 13, 2023, 06:25:01 PM
Imagine when he lines up against us next Sunday. 

He won’t though will he. 
I know. I'm trying anything to bring a smile (to me if no one else) after yesterday 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on August 13, 2023, 09:34:42 PM
			

			

				Martinez should have been our captain when Jack left. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on August 13, 2023, 09:42:16 PM
			

			

				I think Mings was a fine choice of captain.  I think the whole debacle of stripping was wrong - but it should of gone to Martinez then 

Mcginn is a great, and has been great for us - but I don't think hes a captain - or at least not as good a captain as those two
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 13, 2023, 09:42:52 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: danno on August 13, 2023, 09:26:05 PM
Quote from: Risso on August 13, 2023, 09:14:25 PM
I'd make Martinez captain. He seemed to be the only one who still gave a shit by the end against Newcastle.

I honestly think who wears the armband is not that important, look at who was captain before Mings.  But at least with an outfielder that’s someone who can approach the referee constantly and has permission to talk to him without the risk of getting booked.

It would also be a massive slap down given to McGinn after six months of great performances to strip him of the captaincy after one defeat.

This is the point I was trying to make, and I wasn't suggesting we take the armband away from McGinn. I just think he needs to step up more now that he doesn't have Mings there all the time too. But others need to step up too and do their part. You don't need an armband to do that. 

I was watching Spurs earlier and Madison, who has only been there 5 minutes, was getting stuck in in that respect. He ended up with the armband when Son went off, and maybe Son was the wrong choice to give it to in the first place, I don't know. Also possible Madison is just a bit of a d**k who likes shouting at people, but either way, it's what we needed someone doing yesterday, and going forward. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on August 13, 2023, 09:46:23 PM
			

			

				So, just to sum up as I've missed a few hours on here, the very injury Jack Harrison is going to Everton and Nicolo Zaniolo is off to Newcastle? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Grande Pablo on August 13, 2023, 09:59:03 PM
			

			

				A doghead pal thinks they've just locked Kilman on a new 5 year deal to put us off with Mings out for the season potentially.  Logical, for once.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on August 13, 2023, 09:59:24 PM
			

			

				Is Zaniolo off to Newcastle? Haven’t seen anything to suggest that
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on August 13, 2023, 10:01:15 PM
			

			

				Being linked with Laporte.

Honestly that'd be great.

Do you reckon were gonna spend big still? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 13, 2023, 10:01:32 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 13, 2023, 09:59:24 PM
Is Zaniolo off to Newcastle? Haven’t seen anything to suggest that

Question Romano's reliability after today but his last update was that we're still waiting for Galatasary to give the green light. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on August 13, 2023, 10:11:56 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 13, 2023, 10:01:32 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 13, 2023, 09:59:24 PM
Is Zaniolo off to Newcastle? Haven’t seen anything to suggest that

Question Romano's reliability after today but his last update was that we're still waiting for Galatasary to give the green light.
Yeah Romano had a mare , credibility gone a bit
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on August 13, 2023, 10:45:51 PM
			

			

				London Villan of this parish who has a link or two I believe confidentially said it’s done.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 13, 2023, 10:47:22 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 13, 2023, 10:45:51 PM
London Villan of this parish who has a link or two I believe confidentially said it’s done.

Zaniolo?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 13, 2023, 10:47:47 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on August 13, 2023, 10:47:22 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 13, 2023, 10:45:51 PM
London Villan of this parish who has a link or two I believe confidentially said it’s done.

Zaniolo?

To us?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on August 13, 2023, 10:48:38 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 13, 2023, 10:47:47 PM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on August 13, 2023, 10:47:22 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 13, 2023, 10:45:51 PM
London Villan of this parish who has a link or two I believe confidentially said it’s done.

Zaniolo?

To us?

That’s what he suggested 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on August 13, 2023, 10:51:03 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 13, 2023, 10:47:47 PM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on August 13, 2023, 10:47:22 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 13, 2023, 10:45:51 PM
London Villan of this parish who has a link or two I believe confidentially said it’s done.

Zaniolo?

To us?

Quote from: London Villan on August 11, 2023, 04:11:37 PM
Deal done and medical booked for Zaniolo. 


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Flamingo Lane on August 13, 2023, 10:58:13 PM
			

			

				Looks like Eric Dier might be becoming available. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on August 13, 2023, 11:02:25 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Flamingo Lane on August 13, 2023, 10:58:13 PM
Looks like Eric Dier might be becoming available.
And he can stay available. Next . 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on August 13, 2023, 11:08:25 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Flamingo Lane on August 13, 2023, 10:58:13 PM
Looks like Eric Dier might be becoming available.

Yeah, great, but fuck no...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on August 14, 2023, 01:53:34 AM
			

			

				Kostic for 10m would seem to be a good deal. He could do what Bailey was supposed to over the weekend and can help a LB. Can’t speak Spanish, though.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: sid1964 on August 14, 2023, 06:14:22 AM
			

			

				I would have thought that Monchi would be able to get us a few players from Spain etc.. that can fill the gaps in the squad

Surprised to read of the links to Harrison / Maguire -  I was hoping for better

I wonder if FFP is now becoming an issue for the club, as we seemingly cannot move on the likes of Dedoncker etc.. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on August 14, 2023, 08:01:45 AM
			

			

				I'd have Maguire for a season.

Zaniolo, yes please.

Adams, Gnonto, Harrison from Leeds? Who is next in that rumour mill? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 14, 2023, 08:03:36 AM
			

			

				Kilman would be a good shout. Wolves clearly need the money and can cover right back I think. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Olneythelonely on August 14, 2023, 08:23:57 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 14, 2023, 08:03:36 AM
Kilman would be a good shout. Wolves clearly need the money and can cover right back I think.

He’s just signed a new contract a few days ago though. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on August 14, 2023, 08:25:46 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Olneythelonely on August 14, 2023, 08:23:57 AM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 14, 2023, 08:03:36 AM
Kilman would be a good shout. Wolves clearly need the money and can cover right back I think.

He’s just signed a new contract a few days ago though. 

And they turned down £30m from Napoli earlier in the summer. If we're about to spend £40m or so on a defender again, I'd imagine we can sign better ones than him.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on August 14, 2023, 08:35:38 AM
			

			

				I watched Barcelona last night and the commentators seemed to think Ansu Fati would be available as they need the money. He did appear from the bench and looked lively, even though they were looking for a goal they were putting on kids rather than Ferran Torrres who remained unused. It wouldn’t surprise me if he joins us towards the end of the window either permanently or on loan. 
Isn’t Langlet a left footed centre half, not sure how much he played on loan at Spurs last year and has had his own injury concerns recently.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 14, 2023, 08:47:20 AM
			

			

				The spurs fans I know wanted him to sign permanently. Unsure whether that is a reflection of his performances or because of the alternatives. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smithy on August 14, 2023, 09:07:31 AM
			

			

				I baulked at the idea of Maguire at the start of the summer, and I still think he doesn't really suit a team that plays a high line as we do, but given the loss of Tyrone, I think a big, vocal centre-half might be just what we need on the pitch and in the dressing room.  Although we still have four centre-halves to choose from, I worry that Carlos is just returning from a long-term injury, and Torres might need time to adjust.  Only Konsa and Chambers have any real premier league experience.

If we can do a loan with an option to buy next summer, I'd take him right now - though I think Man Utd need the sale money for FFP.  

If Torres can step in and be up to speed immediately, that would be my first choice, obviously.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smithy on August 14, 2023, 09:12:28 AM
			

			

				Jack Harrison is a funny one.  He's always looked like one of their better players when I've seen them play, but he does feel like a poor man's Harvey Barnes.

One thing he DOES do is work incredibly hard.  He might not have the attacking output of the more gifted wide forwards, but he covers a lot of ground, which might be attractive if we're going to continue playing our slightly lop-sided attack structure.   He would balance a very attacking full-back quite well.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 14, 2023, 09:23:55 AM
			

			

				Maguire is probably the last defender we should be looking at if we persist with playing a high line. He’d be a disaster. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on August 14, 2023, 09:24:38 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 14, 2023, 09:23:55 AM
Maguire is probably the last defender we should be looking at if we persist with playing a high line. He’d be a disaster. 

A hugely expensive one too.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dazvillain on August 14, 2023, 09:50:14 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on August 14, 2023, 09:24:38 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 14, 2023, 09:23:55 AM
Maguire is probably the last defender we should be looking at if we persist with playing a high line. He’d be a disaster. 

A hugely expensive one too.

On both accounts, agree ! We’ve spent much of pre season discussing additional to midfield and striker/winger rumours, I can’t even remember CB talk, when we would have been looking at Pau, can anyone start with a few suggestions ? 
We need pace, on loan probably best option given our other CB’s so can be released after season assuming Ty makes good recovery 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on August 14, 2023, 09:51:18 AM
			

			

				Yes and people get very agitated about the high line but it’s absolutely been the vehicle to our success last year. It enables us to turn over possession and launch pretty lethal attacks. We got it wrong from the front and midfield on Saturday and put no pressure on the ball, which absolutely killed us.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on August 14, 2023, 09:55:11 AM
			

			

				The trouble is Paul, that it seems to need Mings to organise it. And it cost us loads of goals conceded in pre-season, even when we were playing well. When we were buying Torres a couple of posts said he was quick, but he looked very slow indeed against Newcastle. The high line needs somebody with pace to get back in the times when it's not offside and teams have sprung the trap, and both Torres and Carlos look too slow to do that.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV82EC on August 14, 2023, 10:00:02 AM
			

			

				I think we just need to go with Pau and Carlos/Konsa and look for a back up left CB on loan. Whilst Pau maybe didn’t look great on Saturday it was against the backdrop of a poor team performance so let’s give him a chance to show why he gets in the Spanish squad. Maybe Carlos needs to come in as the shouty man instead of Konsa as well but I’m sure todays video session with Unai will be instructive for them all😜
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 14, 2023, 10:01:30 AM
			

			

				I agree, removing Mings from that organisation is going to be a nightmare. For a start, he allows Konsa to play, he's not just half of that partnership, he's more than that.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ROBBO on August 14, 2023, 10:04:12 AM
			

			

				The trouble with a constant high line is that clubs find ways to play through the line. How many times did we get away with it by a very fine margin last season? Same with playing out from the back, the high press against the better sides gets us into trouble. Not saying give it away totally but surely mixing it up will give opposing coaches more headaches.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SamTheMouse on August 14, 2023, 10:04:20 AM
			

			

				I'm not convinced pace in central defence is the be all and end all. Positioning is more important, and speed only becomes necessary if you've fucked up stage one.

If your line is disciplined rather than ragged, and provided the midfielders and forwards are pressing properly, you shouldn't need sprinters at the back.

Our biggest problem on Saturday was that the whole team wasn't pressing in coordinated fashion, something we did very well last season.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dazvillain on August 14, 2023, 10:07:50 AM
			

			

				Who knew we’d be so much of a 1 man team after those JG days ! My extreme motivation for this season was dented when EMI news broke last Thursday, but thought, well there another options and plenty of other potential purchases in that area of the pitch, but after Ty, I’m so gutted for him, everyone at AV, my motivation has dropped to a normal season levels !!

This is my cry for help rant . I’m back at AV low motivation already 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on August 14, 2023, 10:10:49 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ROBBO on August 14, 2023, 10:04:12 AM
The trouble with a constant high line is that clubs find ways to play through the line. How many times did we get away with it by a very fine margin last season? Same with playing out from the back, the high press against the better sides gets us into trouble. Not saying give it away totally but surely mixing it up will give opposing coaches more headaches.

It’s about playing it well though. Other teams aren’t constantly chopping and changing their styles. It’s just playing a high line and playing out of the back require high precision and if you get it wrong it looks horrendous. I don’t know who else we’ll add, but it’s going to take a lot of work to make sure it operates right. Pace in central defence isn’t a requirement for a high line, but it is if you’re getting it wrong. We need to get it right and I think it gives us many opportunities going forward - even when it went dreadfully on Saturday, we still created lots of chances against a side that is very strong defensively.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: FatSam on August 14, 2023, 10:23:10 AM
			

			

				The same as last year, we got our transfer business done early, and then had suffered season-ending injuries by mid-August. The options available to us to cover those injuries are then limited due to FFP and the business other clubs have done by that point in the transfer window. We obviously brought Bednarek in on loan last season. It’s difficult to know how to deal with it this time around. It’s incredibly frustrating that a lot of the positive work that has been done is being undone by circumstances. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on August 14, 2023, 10:42:31 AM
			

			

				I don't accept we're limited by FFP.  I simply don't buy it, we just haven't spent enough.

23/24 - approx £75m
22/23 - approx £40m
21/22 - approx zero net.

I know there's wages etc, but other clubs pay wages too.  We must be miles off any thresholds - we could probably spend another £100m if we wanted to.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on August 14, 2023, 10:49:53 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on August 14, 2023, 08:01:45 AM
I'd have Maguire for a season.

Christ on a bike it was bad at the weekend, but not that fucking bad...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on August 14, 2023, 10:50:42 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on August 14, 2023, 10:42:31 AM
I don't accept we're limited by FFP.  I simply don't buy it, we just haven't spent enough.

23/24 - approx £75m
22/23 - approx £40m
21/22 - approx zero net.

I know there's wages etc, but other clubs pay wages too.  We must be miles off any thresholds - we could probably spend another £100m if we wanted to.


I make you right, and we could be about to see the benefit of keeping away from the limit when you suddenly need to buy two extra players you hadn't planned for because your club is fucking cursed with season long injuries.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RamboandBruno on August 14, 2023, 10:51:43 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: SamTheMouse on August 14, 2023, 10:04:20 AM
I'm not convinced pace in central defence is the be all and end all. Positioning is more important, and speed only becomes necessary if you've fucked up stage one.

If your line is disciplined rather than ragged, and provided the midfielders and forwards are pressing properly, you shouldn't need sprinters at the back.

Our biggest problem on Saturday was that the whole team wasn't pressing in coordinated fashion, something we did very well last season.

Completely agree with this. There were all sorts of problems defensively on Saturday and one of them was Cash being all over the place, he was probably our fastest defender on the pitch, but his positioning was ragged. 
God himself didn’t have lots of pace just impeccable timing. 
Im sure Emery will be reinforcing this. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on August 14, 2023, 10:53:45 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dazvillain on August 14, 2023, 09:50:14 AM
Quote from: LeeB on August 14, 2023, 09:24:38 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 14, 2023, 09:23:55 AM
Maguire is probably the last defender we should be looking at if we persist with playing a high line. He’d be a disaster. 

A hugely expensive one too.

On both accounts, agree ! We’ve spent much of pre season discussing additional to midfield and striker/winger rumours, I can’t even remember CB talk, when we would have been looking at Pau, can anyone start with a few suggestions ? 
We need pace, on loan probably best option given our other CB’s so can be released after season assuming Ty makes good recovery

Jeremiah St. Juste or Lutsharel Geertruida.

Both pacy, especially St. Juste, both good on the ball & both can play at either CB or RB.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on August 14, 2023, 10:58:07 AM
			

			

				Ha, they both sound like characters from a Roald Dahl book
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on August 14, 2023, 11:02:15 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on August 14, 2023, 09:55:11 AM
When we were buying Torres a couple of posts said he was quick, but he looked very slow indeed against Newcastle. The high line needs somebody with pace to get back in the times when it's not offside and teams have sprung the trap, and both Torres and Carlos look too slow to do that.

He was clocked doing 34.93km/h in La Liga...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on August 14, 2023, 11:04:51 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV82EC on August 14, 2023, 10:00:02 AM
I think we just need to go with Pau and Carlos/Konsa and look for a back up left CB on loan. Whilst Pau maybe didn’t look great on Saturday it was against the backdrop of a poor team performance so let’s give him a chance to show why he gets in the Spanish squad. Maybe Carlos needs to come in as the shouty man instead of Konsa as well but I’m sure todays video session with Unai will be instructive for them all😜

I would go with a player who can comfortably play both CB & RB.

If needed, Diego Carlos can shift over to the left side & Konsa or whoever we bring in as described above slots onto the right side...

And are then also stronger defensively at RB.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Axl Rose on August 14, 2023, 11:12:28 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pablo_picasso on August 14, 2023, 10:49:53 AM
Quote from: Drummond on August 14, 2023, 08:01:45 AM
I'd have Maguire for a season.

Christ on a bike it was bad at the weekend, but not that fucking bad...

Agreed. Maguire is utterly rubbish. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Olneythelonely on August 14, 2023, 11:12:59 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pablo_picasso on August 14, 2023, 11:02:15 AM
Quote from: Risso on August 14, 2023, 09:55:11 AM
When we were buying Torres a couple of posts said he was quick, but he looked very slow indeed against Newcastle. The high line needs somebody with pace to get back in the times when it's not offside and teams have sprung the trap, and both Torres and Carlos look too slow to do that.

He was clocked doing 34.93km/h in La Liga...

He must have been in a car. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Flamingo Lane on August 14, 2023, 11:14:55 AM
			

			

				Albeit that Carlos was out injured all last season, I don't think it at all unreasonable to expect two centre backs for whom we have forked out nigh on £70m to be able to forge a solid centre of defence, and a bit more. Konsa too, was a regular and first choice up to and including last Saturday. Chambers is decent back up. For sure, losing  Mings is a huge blow, but the above four players now need to step up to the plate and though much work will need to be done on the training ground, in my view the priorities in terms of getting in new players should remain as they were before Saturday.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Flamingo Lane on August 14, 2023, 11:16:20 AM
			

			

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				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on August 14, 2023, 11:16:34 AM
			

			

				Pau Torres is a good footballer, but will have to adapt to the speed and aggression of the Premier League quickly 

If he adapts he will be a brilliant player if he doesn’t he will sink without trace and return to the European leagues

Over the years I’ve heard so many players some who went on to become great players talk about how difficult they found their first few games in the Premier League, It is different from any other league in the world and I think Pau found that out on Saturday

Personally, I think he will become the best central defender we have at the club




			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 14, 2023, 11:17:42 AM
			

			

				Leeds are apparently interested in Archer. Middlesbrough also want him. Can't see a Championship side coughing up the kind of prices we were throwing around last week for him. 

If we're still interested in Gnonto or Adams maybe we could do a deal there. Although Adams is injured and apparently out for another few weeks. 


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on August 14, 2023, 11:19:05 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on August 14, 2023, 10:42:31 AM
I don't accept we're limited by FFP.  I simply don't buy it, we just haven't spent enough.

23/24 - approx £75m
22/23 - approx £40m
21/22 - approx zero net.

I know there's wages etc, but other clubs pay wages too.  We must be miles off any thresholds - we could probably spend another £100m if we wanted to.


I don’t think we are - I also don’t think we’re anywhere near done.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on August 14, 2023, 11:26:28 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on August 14, 2023, 10:42:31 AM
I don't accept we're limited by FFP.  I simply don't buy it, we just haven't spent enough.

23/24 - approx £75m
22/23 - approx £40m
21/22 - approx zero net.

I know there's wages etc, but other clubs pay wages too.  We must be miles off any thresholds - we could probably spend another £100m if we wanted to.

One thing those numbers do highlight is why the status quo clubs are closing all the loopholes they used to get ahead. 

Considering how both Chelsea & Villas owners have pretty much the same wealth, we are reduced to scratching around trying to fudge FFP & only spending 10% of what they have.

And they can get away with spending £1b in three years & can comfortably cheat at FFP because they have had success in recent years & are marketed across the world to make money for the Premier League.

You can guarantee that if we cheated with our FFP like they did, the powers that be would make an example of us as a warning to any upstarts who are thinking of challenging the marketing cash cow media favourite status quo elite clubs...

I genuinely despise modern day football & I wish I could walk away from Villa...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 14, 2023, 11:26:48 AM
			

			

				A few places reporting Zaniolo is pushing to make the move happen. Seems its Galatasary holding it up, but it's expected to go through. 

Read something there about Aaron Ramsey being expected to sign a new deal with us and then move to Burnley. I assume that has something to do with the buy back clause. Apparently that's what's holding things up there. I guess he's agreeing the terms he'll come back on if we activate it. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 14, 2023, 11:28:35 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: john e on August 14, 2023, 11:16:34 AM

Over the years I’ve heard so many players some who went on to become great players talk about how difficult they found their first few games in the Premier League, It is different from any other league in the world and I think Pau found that out on Saturday

Indeed.

It was only earlier this year that Alex Moreno looked iffy as fuck in his first few matches for us.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on August 14, 2023, 11:30:41 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 14, 2023, 11:26:48 AM
A few places reporting Zaniolo is pushing to make the move happen. Seems its Galatasary holding it up, but it's expected to go through. 

Read something there about Aaron Ramsey being expected to sign a new deal with us and then move to Burnley. I assume that has something to do with the buy back clause. Apparently that's what's holding things up there. I guess he's agreeing the terms he'll come back on if we activate it.

They don't want to send him out on loan with a purchase 'option'. 

They brought Zaniolo in as a quick flip & want money for him now.

As for Aaron Ramsey, he cant sign a new deal with us & then then get sold to Burnley. 

Well, he can, but that would be utterly pointless.

He either signs a deal with us & goes on loan (my preferred option), or he agree return terms & then gets sold with a buyback clause.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smithy on August 14, 2023, 11:33:00 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pablo_picasso on August 14, 2023, 11:02:15 AM
Quote from: Risso on August 14, 2023, 09:55:11 AM
When we were buying Torres a couple of posts said he was quick, but he looked very slow indeed against Newcastle. The high line needs somebody with pace to get back in the times when it's not offside and teams have sprung the trap, and both Torres and Carlos look too slow to do that.

He was clocked doing 34.93km/h in La Liga...

I love a good stat, but these top-speed figures can be SO misleading. The speed you can eventually get up to isn't hugely important in football.  What's far more important is how quickly you can get to your top speed.  How quick you are over 5, 10 or even 20 yards?  I remember when Usain Bolt was trying to be a footballer, and he kept pointing out that he NEVER got the chance in games to really open up, as straight-line speed is very rarely used.  I'm sure he said something like Marcus Rashford would beat him over 20 yards 90% of the time.

The NFL has a "40-yard dash" time they use in the draft, which is FAR more useful than knowing a players top speed. I'd take a player who is lightning over 15 yards but with an average top speed over a Bolt-type player who is like lightning once they get a 30-yard run-up.

I'm hoping Pau will look more dynamic after he gets up to speed with the team and the league, but he doesn't look like he will ever be particularly rapid over 5-10 yards. It looks like his strength will be in avoiding situations where he HAS to be.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 14, 2023, 11:33:15 AM
			

			

				rumour we interested in marcos acuna left back  ...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on August 14, 2023, 11:34:38 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smithy on August 14, 2023, 11:33:00 AM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on August 14, 2023, 11:02:15 AM
Quote from: Risso on August 14, 2023, 09:55:11 AM
When we were buying Torres a couple of posts said he was quick, but he looked very slow indeed against Newcastle. The high line needs somebody with pace to get back in the times when it's not offside and teams have sprung the trap, and both Torres and Carlos look too slow to do that.

He was clocked doing 34.93km/h in La Liga...

I love a good stat, but these top-speed figures can be SO misleading. The speed you can eventually get up to isn't hugely important in football.  What's far more important is how quickly you can get to your top speed.  How quick you are over 5, 10 or even 20 yards?  I remember when Usain Bolt was trying to be a footballer, and he kept pointing out that he NEVER got the chance in games to really open up, as straight-line speed is very rarely used.  I'm sure he said something like Marcus Rashford would beat him over 20 yards 90% of the time.

The NFL has a "40-yard dash" time they use in the draft, which is FAR more useful than knowing a players top speed. I'd take a player who is lightning over 15 yards but with an average top speed over a Bolt-type player who is like lightning once they get a 30-yard run-up.

I'm hoping Pau will look more dynamic after he gets up to speed with the team and the league, but he doesn't look like he will ever be particularly rapid over 5-10 yards. It looks like his strength will be in avoiding situations where he HAS to be.

Fair points...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 14, 2023, 11:34:55 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pablo_picasso on August 14, 2023, 11:30:41 AM
Quote from: AV84 on August 14, 2023, 11:26:48 AM
A few places reporting Zaniolo is pushing to make the move happen. Seems its Galatasary holding it up, but it's expected to go through. 

Read something there about Aaron Ramsey being expected to sign a new deal with us and then move to Burnley. I assume that has something to do with the buy back clause. Apparently that's what's holding things up there. I guess he's agreeing the terms he'll come back on if we activate it.

As for Aaron Ramsey, he cant sign a new deal with us & then then get sold to Burnley. 

Well, he can, but that would be utterly pointless.

He either signs a deal with us & goes on loan (my preferred option), or he agree return terms & then gets sold with a buyback clause.

Yeah, that's what I thought, the Ramsey thing sounds weird. It's probably the buy back terms that are still being sorted and the reporter has got it confused with a loan deal. Either way, it's still happening, which I was wondering about as it sounded like it was imminent last week. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on August 14, 2023, 11:35:32 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 14, 2023, 11:33:15 AM
rumour we interested in marcos acuna left back  ...

Yes, I don't know how good he is but he looks hard as fucking nails
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 14, 2023, 11:36:35 AM
			

			

				We've just signed someone.

Someone from Nas's Egyptian club.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 14, 2023, 11:37:44 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pablo_picasso on August 14, 2023, 10:53:45 AM
Jeremiah St. Juste or Lutsharel Geertruida.

Both pacy, especially St. Juste, both good on the ball & both can play at either CB or RB.

Good call. Sadly, St Juste is injured from a shoulder knock he took last season. He's missed all pre-season and probably won't be back for Sporting until the autumn.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dave.woodhall on August 14, 2023, 11:41:01 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 14, 2023, 11:36:35 AM
We've just signed someone.

Someone from Nas's Egyptian club.

Omar Khedr, a 17 year old winger.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 14, 2023, 11:41:02 AM
			

			

				Oxlaid-Chamberlain has signed for Besiktas. If Maguire would just sign for West Ham we could retire all the weird links for this summer. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smithy on August 14, 2023, 11:43:17 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pablo_picasso on August 14, 2023, 11:30:41 AM
Quote from: AV84 on August 14, 2023, 11:26:48 AM
A few places reporting Zaniolo is pushing to make the move happen. Seems its Galatasary holding it up, but it's expected to go through. 

Read something there about Aaron Ramsey being expected to sign a new deal with us and then move to Burnley. I assume that has something to do with the buy back clause. Apparently that's what's holding things up there. I guess he's agreeing the terms he'll come back on if we activate it.

They don't want to send him out on loan with a purchase 'option'. 

They brought Zaniolo in as a quick flip & want money for him now.

As for Aaron Ramsey, he cant sign a new deal with us & then then get sold to Burnley. 

Well, he can, but that would be utterly pointless.

He either signs a deal with us & goes on loan (my preferred option), or he agree return terms & then gets sold with a buyback clause.

I suspect the "new deal" Ramsey is signing with us is the one that would be activated if we buy him back.  He's effectively agreeing a deal like any new signing would, only it might never be used. I'm not surprised it's taking a while, as it's probably quite complicated to negotiate a contract for who a player "might" be in two years, rather than who he is today.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 14, 2023, 11:48:27 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 14, 2023, 11:41:01 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 14, 2023, 11:36:35 AM
We've just signed someone.

Someone from Nas's Egyptian club.

Omar Khedr, a 17 year old winger.


Obviously in the works for a while, thats from April
 
https://twitter.com/espenstrand/status/1644305051240869889?s=20

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FtG-KSnXgAApcOu?format=webp&name=900x900)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on August 14, 2023, 12:11:22 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: john e on August 14, 2023, 11:16:34 AM
Pau Torres is a good footballer, but will have to adapt to the speed and aggression of the Premier League quickly 

If he adapts he will be a brilliant player if he doesn’t he will sink without trace and return to the European leagues

Over the years I’ve heard so many players some who went on to become great players talk about how difficult they found their first few games in the Premier League, It is different from any other league in the world and I think Pau found that out on Saturday

Personally, I think he will become the best central defender we have at the club





He already is just going by his resume. But the PL is the fastest league in the world and defending in it is the hardest. There are plenty of top defenders who’ve looked average until they got up to speed. Literally. And making your debut at Newcastle is hard enough without having to come on for Mings in the middle of game we are already losing might have been the worst possible way to start. He’s plenty good enough to work it out. And he will have to faster than he and Emery imagined.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on August 14, 2023, 12:29:36 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on August 14, 2023, 10:42:31 AM
I don't accept we're limited by FFP.  I simply don't buy it, we just haven't spent enough.

23/24 - approx £75m
22/23 - approx £40m
21/22 - approx zero net.

I know there's wages etc, but other clubs pay wages too.  We must be miles off any thresholds - we could probably spend another £100m if we wanted to.


Tielemans and Kamara would both have signed chunky signing-on fees for themselves and their reps in lieu of any transfer fee due to their clubs. I imagine we also had to pay them more wages than other clubs offered (i.e in the Digne/Coutinho ballpark). 

Not saying this stymies us for FFP but it might make us a little more cautious than would first appear. And selling "the project" to Diego Carlos when he was coming back off being the best CB in Spain probably added to the high earners. McGinn and Mings have also signed one last big career contract in recent months, presumably we've increased their take-home quite a lot. 
I reckon getting Ings' wages off the books was seen as a real opportunity in January that was too good to refuse bearing in mind the new high earners in our squad. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SoccerHQ on August 14, 2023, 12:30:34 PM
			

			

				The more I think about it the more Carlos-Torres makes sense at CB.

Konsa could easily just be dropped for the third goal alone so not a bad signal to send to him to get his standards up.

Those two are very experienced at the top level and there won't be as many language issues between them.

Our next four games are Everton, Burnley and possibly Hibs twice so to me looks ideal run of fixtures to ease them in as a couple of clean sheets isn't a big ask.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villafirst on August 14, 2023, 12:30:39 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 14, 2023, 11:26:48 AM
A few places reporting Zaniolo is pushing to make the move happen. Seems its Galatasary holding it up, but it's expected to go through. 

Read something there about Aaron Ramsey being expected to sign a new deal with us and then move to Burnley. I assume that has something to do with the buy back clause. Apparently that's what's holding things up there. I guess he's agreeing the terms he'll come back on if we activate it. 

Aaron Ramsey should only go if the squad numbers are bolstered first. I understand that 8 players are unavailable through injury. With potentially 50 plus games to play this season we need more reinforcements quickly.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SoccerHQ on August 14, 2023, 12:33:47 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Villafirst on August 14, 2023, 12:30:39 PM
Quote from: AV84 on August 14, 2023, 11:26:48 AM
A few places reporting Zaniolo is pushing to make the move happen. Seems its Galatasary holding it up, but it's expected to go through. 

Read something there about Aaron Ramsey being expected to sign a new deal with us and then move to Burnley. I assume that has something to do with the buy back clause. Apparently that's what's holding things up there. I guess he's agreeing the terms he'll come back on if we activate it. 

Aaron Ramsey should only go if the squad numbers are bolstered first. I understand that 8 players are unavailable through injury. With potentially 50 plus games to play this season we need more reinforcements quickly.

Ramsey is way down the pecking order even with the injuries.

From the bench on Saturday we had Tielemans and Chambers who were midfield cover and Coutinho as the attacking option.

It's a shame given how good he's looked in his two loan spells last season but that is our strongest area by a mile now and I assume Donk injury is only short term so he'll be involved soon.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 14, 2023, 12:34:06 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 14, 2023, 11:28:35 AM
Quote from: john e on August 14, 2023, 11:16:34 AM

Over the years I’ve heard so many players some who went on to become great players talk about how difficult they found their first few games in the Premier League, It is different from any other league in the world and I think Pau found that out on Saturday

Indeed.

It was only earlier this year that Alex Moreno looked iffy as fuck in his first few matches for us.

Didn't Thierry Henry struggle for a few months when he moved to the Premier League? He turned out to be all right.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 14, 2023, 12:35:31 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: SoccerHQ on August 14, 2023, 12:33:47 PM

It's a shame given how good he's looked in his two loan spells last season but that is our strongest area by a mile now and I assume Donk injury is only short term so he'll be involved soon.
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Is Donk injured? I thought he just missed basically all of preseason because he was on parental leave. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SoccerHQ on August 14, 2023, 12:37:57 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 14, 2023, 12:35:31 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on August 14, 2023, 12:33:47 PM

It's a shame given how good he's looked in his two loan spells last season but that is our strongest area by a mile now and I assume Donk injury is only short term so he'll be involved soon.

Is Donk injured? I thought he just missed basically all of preseason because he was on parental leave. 
[/quote]

He was listed as being injured alongside Traore on the fitness update last week.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on August 14, 2023, 12:39:12 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on August 14, 2023, 12:34:06 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 14, 2023, 11:28:35 AM
Quote from: john e on August 14, 2023, 11:16:34 AM

Over the years I’ve heard so many players some who went on to become great players talk about how difficult they found their first few games in the Premier League, It is different from any other league in the world and I think Pau found that out on Saturday

Indeed.

It was only earlier this year that Alex Moreno looked iffy as fuck in his first few matches for us.

Didn't Thierry Henry struggle for a few months when he moved to the Premier League? He turned out to be all right.

He was used mainly as a sub for the first couple of months, but he soon got up to speed. 30+ goals in his first season.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on August 14, 2023, 12:41:19 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 14, 2023, 11:37:44 AM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on August 14, 2023, 10:53:45 AM
Jeremiah St. Juste or Lutsharel Geertruida.

Both pacy, especially St. Juste, both good on the ball & both can play at either CB or RB.

Good call. Sadly, St Juste is injured from a shoulder knock he took last season. He's missed all pre-season and probably won't be back for Sporting until the autumn.

Shit. St. Juste would have been my preferred of the two. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on August 14, 2023, 12:43:05 PM
			

			

				Pushing to sign Zaniolo on a 3m initial loan deal (with option to buy) feels to me like we're either being mindful of FFP or that we're trying to keep some of our powder dry because we were already planning for a final push in the transfer window. Maybe still planning a £40m+ deal for Brennan Johnson or similar. 

I appreciate he himself has had a couple of bad injuries and while that could be a factor, I don't think it would be the main consideration. 

As for Pau-Carlos against Everton, Burnley and probably Hibs home and away, that would make sense. Emery may also use Konsa at right back and try to get the system working the way he wants it to. Moreno may then be able to slot in after the international break. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on August 14, 2023, 12:44:47 PM
			

			

				I think we're going to come up short in the transfer window. We always have since we came back up. It would be nice to be proved wrong, but we never seem to go the extra mile like some clubs.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 14, 2023, 12:49:00 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on August 14, 2023, 12:39:12 PM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on August 14, 2023, 12:34:06 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 14, 2023, 11:28:35 AM
Quote from: john e on August 14, 2023, 11:16:34 AM

Over the years I’ve heard so many players some who went on to become great players talk about how difficult they found their first few games in the Premier League, It is different from any other league in the world and I think Pau found that out on Saturday

Indeed.

It was only earlier this year that Alex Moreno looked iffy as fuck in his first few matches for us.

Didn't Thierry Henry struggle for a few months when he moved to the Premier League? He turned out to be all right.

He was used mainly as a sub for the first couple of months, but he soon got up to speed. 30+ goals in his first season.

He still took a while to adapt, and didn't score 30+ goals until his 3rd season (which included 7 in Europe).
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 14, 2023, 12:50:34 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on August 14, 2023, 12:43:05 PM
As for Pau-Carlos against Everton, Burnley and probably Hibs home and away, that would make sense. Emery may also use Konsa at right back and try to get the system working the way he wants it to. Moreno may then be able to slot in after the international break.

I think Mings was the "problem" in terms of selecting the central defenders. If you wanted Torres in his preferred position you had to drop or move Mings, and if we did that, already missing 1st choice RB, can you really bring Carlos in too, meaning an almost entirely new back line?
 Now that Mings has unfortunately been removed from the equation it changes things entirely, and if we're going to have to play Torres, without him having time to slowly adjust, I don't think he needs to be worrying about keeping Konsa in check too. Playing Carlos beside him just makes more sense to me. 
It might be a case that we have to change tactics for a few games and then once Moreno is back, and Torres and Carlos have settled, we can go back to whatever the original plan for the season was. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on August 14, 2023, 12:50:54 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on August 14, 2023, 12:44:47 PM
I think we're going to come up short in the transfer window. We always have since we came back up. It would be nice to be proved wrong, but we never seem to go the extra mile like some clubs.
I think so too.  What usually happens is you get called a bedwetter as there are x days left etc.  Then there's no days left and you get comments "like would you have preferred we got someone like Troy Deeney for the sake of it or wait to get the right player?"  Then it all starts again in the next window.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on August 14, 2023, 12:54:45 PM
			

			

				Sorry, yes. Just the 26 goals in his first season, the rest were for France. Still, for a 20 year old converted winger it was pretty sensational. I guess the thing with him was he had the skill and was stupidly quick. Torres would seem to have the skill, but not the pace. Hopefully he'll come good, but it does worry me that all of Konsa, Torres and Carlos are going to struggle without Mings.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on August 14, 2023, 12:55:06 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on August 14, 2023, 12:50:54 PM
Quote from: Risso on August 14, 2023, 12:44:47 PM
I think we're going to come up short in the transfer window. We always have since we came back up. It would be nice to be proved wrong, but we never seem to go the extra mile like some clubs.
I think so too.  What usually happens is you get called a bedwetter as there are x days left etc.  Then there's no days left and you get comments "like would you have preferred we got someone like Troy Deeney for the sake of it or wait to get the right player?"  Then it all starts again in the next window.

Spot on.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 14, 2023, 12:58:49 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on August 14, 2023, 12:49:00 PM
Quote from: Risso on August 14, 2023, 12:39:12 PM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on August 14, 2023, 12:34:06 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 14, 2023, 11:28:35 AM
Quote from: john e on August 14, 2023, 11:16:34 AM

Over the years I’ve heard so many players some who went on to become great players talk about how difficult they found their first few games in the Premier League, It is different from any other league in the world and I think Pau found that out on Saturday

Indeed.

It was only earlier this year that Alex Moreno looked iffy as fuck in his first few matches for us.

Didn't Thierry Henry struggle for a few months when he moved to the Premier League? He turned out to be all right.

He was used mainly as a sub for the first couple of months, but he soon got up to speed. 30+ goals in his first season.

He still took a while to adapt, and didn't score 30+ goals until his 3rd season (which included 7 in Europe).

He was used as a winger to start with as well, after signing for big money from Juventus. The first time i watched him i thought 'meh', he ended up being the best player i've seen in English football in my near 40 years watching. Goals from outside the box, inside the box, pace, control, skill and the ability to just glide past players without them getting near to him. 

I must admit when i first saw Tonev play for us i couldn't help but make comparisons.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on August 14, 2023, 12:59:49 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on August 14, 2023, 12:44:47 PM
I think we're going to come up short in the transfer window. We always have since we came back up. It would be nice to be proved wrong, but we never seem to go the extra mile like some clubs.

Yep, I’m beginning to think the same 
For all the keeping the powder dry it seems to remain dry


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rigadon on August 14, 2023, 01:00:53 PM
			

			

				It’s definitely the time to wet that powder.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 14, 2023, 01:00:56 PM
			

			

				I suppose it depends on what your expectations are in that regard but if we don't get a new keeper in we will have come up short as far as i'm concerned.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on August 14, 2023, 01:02:25 PM
			

			

				I think if we don't get the two injuries we have done, then maybe another right back and forward would have done I think and they did hint there were more to come in before the injuries happened anyway.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on August 14, 2023, 01:02:41 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: john e on August 14, 2023, 12:59:49 PM
Quote from: Risso on August 14, 2023, 12:44:47 PM
I think we're going to come up short in the transfer window. We always have since we came back up. It would be nice to be proved wrong, but we never seem to go the extra mile like some clubs.

Yep, I’m beginning to think the same 
For all the keeping the powder dry it seems to remain dry
Yes - to be honest I never expected us to spend big.  I just don’t think that’s what we’re going to do.  Since the summer that grealish left - newcastles net spend is over 3 times more than ours.  10 over teams have a higher net spend. 

Added to the fact we have lost 2 important regulars I think we’ll be in a similar position to last year.  Thin squad 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 14, 2023, 01:05:11 PM
			

			

				Yeah, i think a RB, GK and another forward would have done it. I think now, those with the addition of Zaniolo who is an extra body to cover Buendia. 

The CB thing i'm not quite so worried about but a short term experienced player wouldn't hurt.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on August 14, 2023, 01:05:54 PM
			

			

				Surely, but surely this isn't the faint pinky-red streaks of Another False Dawn that I can see here....????

I've only  had 40 odd years of practice after all!  :'(
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 14, 2023, 01:09:28 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clampy on August 14, 2023, 01:02:25 PM
I think if we don't get the two injuries we have done, then maybe another right back and forward would have done I think and they did hint there were more to come in before the injuries happened anyway.

Exactly, we were on track to have had a really good window. Even non Villa fans were saying we'd had one of the best out of any team. Two injuries in two days has completely changed the picture and now, in terms of numbers anyway, we're kind of where we were before the window opened. Or at the very least Diaby is the only extra player we now have if you thing Torres/Mings and Tielemans/Buendia. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on August 14, 2023, 01:11:08 PM
			

			

				Yeah before the injuries I had us a right back and forward away from an excellent window. Now we’ve got two big gaps to fill as well.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 14, 2023, 01:13:34 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 14, 2023, 01:11:08 PM
Yeah before the injuries I had us a right back and forward away from an excellent window. Now we’ve got two big gaps to fill as well.

True, so I'm not going to rush to judgement on our transfer window 2-3 days after two of our likely starters suffered season ending injuries.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on August 14, 2023, 01:19:34 PM
			

			

				The Smirker signing shopping list:

Zaniolo
Laporte
RB
Striker
Backup goalkeeper

3 of the 5 would be nice. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on August 14, 2023, 01:23:29 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Beard82 on August 14, 2023, 01:02:41 PM
Quote from: john e on August 14, 2023, 12:59:49 PM
Quote from: Risso on August 14, 2023, 12:44:47 PM
I think we're going to come up short in the transfer window. We always have since we came back up. It would be nice to be proved wrong, but we never seem to go the extra mile like some clubs.

Yep, I’m beginning to think the same 
For all the keeping the powder dry it seems to remain dry
 I think we’ll be in a similar position to last year.  Thin squad
I'd bite your arm for 7th now ! i think we will finish far lower unless we make some big signings in the next couple of weeks .
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on August 14, 2023, 01:26:05 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on August 14, 2023, 01:19:34 PM
The Smirker signing shopping list:

Zaniolo
Laporte
RB
Striker
Backup goalkeeper

3 of the 5 would be nice.
I would be over the moon with 3 of 5 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on August 14, 2023, 01:26:30 PM
			

			

				The negativity on here off the back of one result is shocking.

We will finish at least 7th and probably 5th. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: frank black on August 14, 2023, 01:41:36 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on August 14, 2023, 01:26:30 PM
The negativity on here off the back of one result is shocking.

We will finish at least 7th and probably 5th. 

Mmm, I reckon somewhere between 7th to 10th. We are way too thin on the ground at the moment. Obviously even worse now. I’d call it realism rather than negative. I wouldn’t be surprised if we chuck ourselves out of the cups (with a weaker team) to focus on the league (and the conference).

Praying for a strong window 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 14, 2023, 01:44:42 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on August 14, 2023, 01:26:30 PM
The negativity on here off the back of one result is shocking.

We will finish at least 7th... 

I agree with Smirker. 8)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on August 14, 2023, 01:47:38 PM
			

			

				Ha, Villa fans. We were so optimistic days ago, one bad result later and we're already out of both cups and hoping for mere top half.

Look. These days tight games between closely matched sides often devolve into a rampage, as the focus on transitions and turnovers and all the rest of it makes getting your nose ahead all the more important. That last half hour was brutal, but even Howe pointed out that the first hour was close - Watkins or Cash score and you don't know what happens.

I'm old enough to remember when Liverpool beat Man Utd, what was it, 7-0?, and managed to finish far below them. Not saying we'll finish ahead of Newcastle, but I don't think it's all doom and gloom because we lost to them, with one goal that should've been ruled out for a foul and one that was bizarrely gifted them by a centreback who never makes such errors, not to mention the destruction of our gameplay wrought by two freak injuries to key established first-teamers in the space of four days. Let's see how we are against Everton.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on August 14, 2023, 01:51:57 PM
			

			

				The injuries, particularly to Mings, was more crushing than the defeat itself. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: andyh on August 14, 2023, 01:58:31 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on August 14, 2023, 01:51:57 PM
The injuries, particularly to Mings, was more crushing than the defeat itself. 
undoubtedly.
This is where our 'new signing' of Diego Carlos needs to be proven as a masterstroke.  
 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Hookeysmith on August 14, 2023, 02:08:00 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on August 14, 2023, 01:51:57 PM
The injuries, particularly to Mings, was more crushing than the defeat itself. 
The defeat i can live with - in fact it maybe a wake up call after a pretty confident pre season.

The injuries are a sickener for fans , players and team spirit
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Paul.S on August 14, 2023, 02:17:25 PM
			

			

				I didn’t like the way we caved in because I thought we’d developed into a better team than that. What I am confident in is that under Emery we’ll correct what went wrong and will bring in what we need to. This isn’t Gerrard we have, it’s a top class coach.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: frank black on August 14, 2023, 02:28:07 PM
			

			

				Personally, it’s the lack of a decent second GK and Striker (initial concerns)…the loss of Tyrone has taken me over the edge. It’ll be tough to compete on all fronts and we will need to prioritise.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on August 14, 2023, 02:52:23 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Monty on August 14, 2023, 01:47:38 PM

I'm old enough to remember when Liverpool beat Man Utd, what was it, 7-0?, and managed to finish far below them. 

When was this, your youth of the early 90s or last spring? Are you a baby or a fully-fledged (hu)man?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 14, 2023, 02:57:13 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on August 14, 2023, 02:52:23 PM
Quote from: Monty on August 14, 2023, 01:47:38 PM

I'm old enough to remember when Liverpool beat Man Utd, what was it, 7-0?, and managed to finish far below them. 

When was this, your youth of the early 90s or last spring? Are you a baby or a fully-fledged (hu)man?

A classic example of an ugly baby with an old man's face is my guess.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on August 14, 2023, 04:29:15 PM
			

			

				We need at least 3 more after Zaniolo for me. Centre half, right back, winger.


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on August 14, 2023, 04:33:23 PM
			

			

				Mentions of Murillo of Corinthians. 21 year old left sided centre back. Forest are said to have made an offer for him and Wolves and Napoli interested. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on August 14, 2023, 04:39:10 PM
			

			

				Sounds like Gala are willing to accept a 3m initial loan deal but want to make it an obligation to buy arrangement. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on August 14, 2023, 04:48:41 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on August 14, 2023, 04:39:10 PM
Sounds like Gala are willing to accept a 3m initial loan deal but want to make it an obligation to buy arrangement. 

Which pretty much negates what we’re trying to protect against.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on August 14, 2023, 04:51:55 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ozzjim on August 14, 2023, 04:29:15 PM
We need at least 3 more after Zaniolo for me. Centre half, right back, winger.


Can't imagine there'll be another winger unless we ship out Bailey or Traore. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 14, 2023, 04:53:49 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 14, 2023, 04:48:41 PM
Quote from: OCD on August 14, 2023, 04:39:10 PM
Sounds like Gala are willing to accept a 3m initial loan deal but want to make it an obligation to buy arrangement. 

Which pretty much negates what we’re trying to protect against.

If there's an obligation to buy we shouldn't have to pay a loan fee or his wages while he's here. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on August 14, 2023, 04:55:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 14, 2023, 04:53:49 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 14, 2023, 04:48:41 PM
Quote from: OCD on August 14, 2023, 04:39:10 PM
Sounds like Gala are willing to accept a 3m initial loan deal but want to make it an obligation to buy arrangement. 

Which pretty much negates what we’re trying to protect against.

If there's an obligation to buy we shouldn't have to pay a loan fee or his wages while he's here. 
Why not?  It's all part of the package.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 14, 2023, 05:02:53 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on August 14, 2023, 04:55:18 PM
Quote from: AV84 on August 14, 2023, 04:53:49 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 14, 2023, 04:48:41 PM
Quote from: OCD on August 14, 2023, 04:39:10 PM
Sounds like Gala are willing to accept a 3m initial loan deal but want to make it an obligation to buy arrangement. 

Which pretty much negates what we’re trying to protect against.

If there's an obligation to buy we shouldn't have to pay a loan fee or his wages while he's here. 
Why not?  It's all part of the package.

Because I said so.
We give them a few million now and pay his wages with an option to buy. Or they let us have him for free for a year and we buy him next summer. Those are my terms. 

In all seriousness though, I know they're just trying to protect themselves, but an obligation to buy a player whose knees could implode at any moment seems very high risk. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villafirst on August 14, 2023, 05:17:26 PM
			

			

				I think we all need a lift after last week with a big signing. We have to cover the loss of Tyrone and Emi Buendia. It's over 3 weeks now since Diaby signed, Emery said himself that we're working on further signings. Hopefully this is the case. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on August 14, 2023, 05:23:35 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 14, 2023, 05:02:53 PM
In all seriousness though, I know they're just trying to protect themselves, but an obligation to buy a player whose knees could implode at any moment seems very high risk. 

Nature of the game though, isn't it. Galatasaray took a big risk on signing him in the first place for the reasons that you mention. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on August 14, 2023, 05:23:59 PM
			

			

				We seem to have broken the transfer window into 2 - before and after the summer tour. Before the tour we signed players in positions where there were clear holes, that didn't have kids knocking on the door. Then it looks like we used the tour to look at players like Archer, Ramsey and Philogene where we have decided to keep Philogene but move the other 2 on and look to fill those positions. Obviously the 2 injuries have then put another slant onto it. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dave.woodhall on August 14, 2023, 05:37:40 PM
			

			

				Where we're concerned, since Friday it's a seller's market. They know we need players and we'll likely now pay more than we would this time last week. As villafirst said, we need a boost now.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on August 14, 2023, 05:53:19 PM
			

			

				What was Zaniolo’s injury record like at Gala? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on August 14, 2023, 05:56:05 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ozzjim on August 14, 2023, 04:29:15 PM
We need at least 3 more after Zaniolo for me. Centre half, right back, winger.

A striker is way more important than a winger imo.


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on August 14, 2023, 05:57:04 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on August 14, 2023, 05:53:19 PM
What was Zaniolo’s injury record like at Gala? 

Not too bad. Few games missed with a groin strain.

No reoccurrence of the big, bad ones from before. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on August 14, 2023, 05:58:42 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on August 14, 2023, 05:23:35 PM
Quote from: AV84 on August 14, 2023, 05:02:53 PM
In all seriousness though, I know they're just trying to protect themselves, but an obligation to buy a player whose knees could implode at any moment seems very high risk. 

Nature of the game though, isn't it. Galatasaray took a big risk on signing him in the first place for the reasons that you mention. 

I imagine it's just an accounting ruse anyway, a bit like when we loaned/bought Curtis Davies.


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on August 14, 2023, 06:01:12 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on August 14, 2023, 05:57:04 PM
Quote from: Steve67 on August 14, 2023, 05:53:19 PM
What was Zaniolo’s injury record like at Gala? 

Not too bad. Few games missed with a groin strain.

No reoccurrence of the big, bad ones from before. 

Worth the risk in that case I guess. Ta Dave.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RamboandBruno on August 14, 2023, 06:04:43 PM
			

			

				I think talk of another lost opportunity with this transfer window are misplaced. I think we’d probably done enough, with maybe a Zanoli making it excellent. How do you legislate for two first teamers being out for the season in the first few days of the season? Its bound to create degrees of panic, where there was probably an aura of calmness last week. If the Harrison rumours are true, if feels a bit panicky. 
We do need a couple in now, the Italian lad would be a start and then a versatile defender. 
I do agree with Smirker and BV here, we are still going to have a good season and there is no need to panic after Saturday. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on August 14, 2023, 06:17:31 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on August 14, 2023, 01:51:57 PM
The injuries, particularly to Mings, was more crushing than the defeat itself.

100% this - part of the result came about because of the injury - was a basketball game before that and we were well in it - the capitulation afterwards was v worrying.

For me from the moment he walked into the club he has been the leader of the defensive unit, the organiser, the one who challenges for every ball…it took him a long time to adapt and to be fair before Unai came in he was high on the list of players who needed upgrading….last season once the idiot had been booted to touch Mings became one of the best defenders in the league.

I can’t see how we can play the high line without the organiser, don’t think that will be an issue because we have a coach who will adapt to the situation…my concern is we have Torres who I think we all expected to take a few games to settle, Carlos who is an unknown in terms of durability & Konsa who has always been a worry to me because he is a follower not a leader & he also thinks he’s a footballer which he isn’t and we need him to be a proper defender.

I threw out Laporte initially, I can see the logic in Maguire if we are going to defend the edge of the box rather than halfway line, don’t see that happening though.

I think a lot rests on what faith they have in Carlos body holding up…we have def managed him back over 6 months, is he up to being thrown in hook line and sinker?

Hope we do get another reliable option in…would hate to get to October and find Hause getting minutes again.


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Mister E on August 14, 2023, 06:18:23 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: RamboandBruno on August 14, 2023, 06:04:43 PM
I think talk of another lost opportunity with this transfer window are misplaced. I think we’d probably done enough, with maybe a Zanoli making it excellent. How do you legislate for two first teamers being out for the season in the first few days of the season? Its bound to create degrees of panic, where there was probably an aura of calmness last week. If the Harrison rumours are true, if feels a bit panicky. 
We do need a couple in now, the Italian lad would be a start and then a versatile defender. 
I do agree with Smirker and BV here, we are still going to have a good season and there is no need to panic after Saturday. 
And there's another 2 weeks before 'Jim White Day'.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: lovejoy on August 14, 2023, 06:28:45 PM
			

			

				Fabrizio say Zaniolo is “very close”.

His wording always leaves him an out if it falls apart. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 14, 2023, 06:34:19 PM
			

			

				Bloody hell! Does he not read London Villans posts?

Deal was done last week.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villafirst on August 14, 2023, 06:36:35 PM
			

			

				Several sources reporting similar news on Zaniolo. One said he's over here at Aston Villa! Sounds more likely now....
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on August 14, 2023, 06:43:23 PM
			

			

				If you follow Instagram, Zaniolo travelled to Brum today. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on August 14, 2023, 06:46:03 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: lovejoy on August 14, 2023, 06:28:45 PM
Fabrizio say Zaniolo is “very close”.

His wording always leaves him an out if it falls apart. 
He also says that we have hijacked Jack Harrison from on his way to Everton or am I looking at a fake account? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 14, 2023, 06:49:55 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ozzjim on August 14, 2023, 04:29:15 PM
We need at least 3 more after Zaniolo for me. Centre half, right back, winger.

Centre half and RB could/should be the same person imo as it fits with emery’s plan and is needed anyway.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 14, 2023, 07:20:03 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 14, 2023, 06:34:19 PM
Bloody hell! Does he not read London Villans posts?

Deal was done last week.

I trust London Villan more than Fabrizio. He's already a Villa player as far as I'm concerned.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on August 14, 2023, 07:31:39 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: olaftab on August 14, 2023, 06:46:03 PM
Quote from: lovejoy on August 14, 2023, 06:28:45 PM
Fabrizio say Zaniolo is “very close”.

His wording always leaves him an out if it falls apart. 
He also says that we have hijacked Jack Harrison from on his way to Everton or am I looking at a fake account? 

no he got burned with that one. Whatever he heard wasn't correct and he went with it. Ornstein did say we had enquired. Romano basically said he'd chosen us. This one is close though, but maybe a few % short of starting its own thread. And I'm not starting anything given the overall 'mare I've had to start the season.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 14, 2023, 07:36:00 PM
			

			

				^it's possible what Romano said was correct, everything was seemingly happening in a mad panic yesterday, and by the time the tweeted about it things had changed again. He still gets it right way more than he gets it wrong anyway. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on August 14, 2023, 07:36:58 PM
			

			

				Oh absolutely and given all the deals he's connected to his hit rate is very high. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: andyh on August 14, 2023, 07:48:43 PM
			

			

				Twitter linking us with Marcus Acuna.
Whoever that is?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on August 14, 2023, 07:50:06 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: andyh on August 14, 2023, 07:48:43 PM
Twitter linking us with Marcus Acuna.
Whoever that is?

31 year old left back. Can play further up the pitch. Plays for Sevilla and Argentina. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ger Regan on August 14, 2023, 07:50:40 PM
			

			

				Sevilla left back that looks like someone you wouldn't mess with, but not someone who would help with our lack of height
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on August 14, 2023, 07:52:28 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: andyh on August 14, 2023, 07:48:43 PM
Twitter linking us with Marcus Acuna.
Whoever that is?

He's really good. Nominally a left-back, but a bit like an Argentinian Milner. Decent in midfield if needed. 

Would be a much more useful squad player than Digne. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 14, 2023, 08:00:04 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: andyh on August 14, 2023, 07:48:43 PM
Twitter linking us with Marcus Acuna.
Whoever that is?

May be related to Marcos Acuna, the former Sporting left back who they sold to Sevilla after the Sporting fans attacked their own players at the training ground.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Astnor on August 14, 2023, 08:02:16 PM
			

			

				I m DESPERATE for a new RB. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Holy Trinity on August 14, 2023, 08:25:59 PM
			

			

				Aruna is different gravy! Very good player and a solid 8 out of 10 week in week out. I would be very happy if he signed as he's great at cdm as well so provides competition and cover for multiple positions.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 14, 2023, 08:30:04 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Holy Trinity on August 14, 2023, 08:25:59 PM
Aruna is different gravy! Very good player and a solid 8 out of 10 week in week out. I would be very happy if he signed as he's great at cdm as well so provides competition and cover for multiple positions.

Sounds very similar to Acuna. Looks like we're after him and Sevilla will replace him with the much younger Borna Sosa from 
VfB Stuttgart.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 14, 2023, 08:35:03 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 14, 2023, 08:30:04 PM
Quote from: Holy Trinity on August 14, 2023, 08:25:59 PM
Aruna is different gravy! Very good player and a solid 8 out of 10 week in week out. I would be very happy if he signed as he's great at cdm as well so provides competition and cover for multiple positions.

Sounds very similar to Acuna. Looks like we're after him and Sevilla will replace him with the much younger Borna Sosa from 
VfB Stuttgart.

Acuña is the best of the three of them for me.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on August 14, 2023, 08:36:08 PM
			

			

				Acuna reminds me a little of Freddie Bouma when defending, but probably more attacking overall 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 14, 2023, 08:39:56 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on August 14, 2023, 08:35:03 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 14, 2023, 08:30:04 PM
Quote from: Holy Trinity on August 14, 2023, 08:25:59 PM
Aruna is different gravy! Very good player and a solid 8 out of 10 week in week out. I would be very happy if he signed as he's great at cdm as well so provides competition and cover for multiple positions.

Sounds very similar to Acuna. Looks like we're after him and Sevilla will replace him with the much younger Borna Sosa from 
VfB Stuttgart.

Acuña is the best of the three of them for me.

Touché! He's certainly the eldest at 31 years young.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Holy Trinity on August 14, 2023, 08:49:36 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 14, 2023, 08:39:56 PM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on August 14, 2023, 08:35:03 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 14, 2023, 08:30:04 PM
Quote from: Holy Trinity on August 14, 2023, 08:25:59 PM
Aruna is different gravy! Very good player and a solid 8 out of 10 week in week out. I would be very happy if he signed as he's great at cdm as well so provides competition and cover for multiple positions.

Sounds very similar to Acuna. Looks like we're after him and Sevilla will replace him with the much younger Borna Sosa from 
VfB Stuttgart.

Acuña is the best of the three of them for me.

Touché! He's certainly the eldest at 31 years young.  

I blame the dodgy Irish WiFi and excessive alcohol for the typo! 


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: CT Villan on August 14, 2023, 08:58:09 PM
			

			

				In watching the first half of the Utd - Wolves game, I have been impressed by the dog-heads' right-back Samedo. Don't know much about him but wonder if he could be a decent option to compete with Cash.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 14, 2023, 09:00:40 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: CT Villan on August 14, 2023, 08:58:09 PM
In watching the first half of the Utd - Wolves game, I have been impressed by the dog-heads' right-back Samedo. Don't know much about him but wonder if he could be a decent option to compete with Cash.

Would we be able to persuade him to take such a step down though?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 14, 2023, 09:02:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: CT Villan on August 14, 2023, 08:58:09 PM
In watching the first half of the Utd - Wolves game, I have been impressed by the dog-heads' right-back Samedo. Don't know much about him but wonder if he could be a decent option to compete with Cash.

He's from Benfica's academy, the Dingles got him from Barca.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 14, 2023, 09:02:31 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: CT Villan on August 14, 2023, 08:58:09 PM
In watching the first half of the Utd - Wolves game, I have been impressed by the dog-heads' right-back Samedo. Don't know much about him but wonder if he could be a decent option to compete with Cash.

There’s an article in the BBC and he is listed as one of the players that they spent a fortune on for little return.  Possibly a good player but we’d want him at a discount.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: CT Villan on August 14, 2023, 09:15:57 PM
			

			

				I wouldn't consider €30m a fortune for a Portuguese international from Barca, but he is 29. "I know nothing", just throwing the name out there.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on August 14, 2023, 10:53:43 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 14, 2023, 08:36:08 PM
Acuna reminds me a little of Freddie Bouma when defending, but probably more attacking overall 

They both look like old spuds. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ger Regan on August 14, 2023, 10:57:16 PM
			

			

				Somewhat surprised we're not in for Adams from Leeds, would have thought his versatility alone would have been worth taking a punt on (not to mention relatively low fee)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 14, 2023, 11:01:23 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ger Regan on August 14, 2023, 10:57:16 PM
Somewhat surprised we're not in for Adams from Leeds, would have thought his versatility alone would have been worth taking a punt on (not to mention relatively low fee)

He's injured too, so would be on theme for us. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SoccerHQ on August 14, 2023, 11:08:41 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 14, 2023, 07:50:06 PM
Quote from: andyh on August 14, 2023, 07:48:43 PM
Twitter linking us with Marcus Acuna.
Whoever that is?

31 year old left back. Can play further up the pitch. Plays for Sevilla and Argentina. 

Can't see it, very similar profile to Moreno age wise and playing style and Moreno is hopefully back soon (unless he's had a setback).

Of course in ideal world we'd be moving Digne on due to his wages but don't think it's a good idea to be selling him now with the endless injuries we're getting, probably more likely in January unless a swop deal might be proposed with Sevilla?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on August 14, 2023, 11:18:25 PM
			

			

				Acuna is shite....

Kieran Tierney at Arsenal would be ideal, Newcastle being heavily linked. He's 26 and would be genuine competition for Moreno. That's the calibre of player we should be pushing to get. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on August 14, 2023, 11:21:55 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: brontebilly on August 14, 2023, 11:18:25 PM
Acuna is shite....

Kieran Tierney at Arsenal would be ideal, Newcastle being heavily linked. He's 26 and would be genuine competition for Moreno. That's the calibre of player we should be pushing to get. 

He’s hardly shite. But I would rather get someone younger ideally seeing as Moreno is around the same age. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 14, 2023, 11:38:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: brontebilly on August 14, 2023, 11:18:25 PM
Acuna is shite....

Oh absolutely, what with his World Cup winners medal and being judged as the best left back last season in La Liga. Absolute shite! Now if you'd said he was too old.. but you didn't. TOYA
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on August 14, 2023, 11:48:45 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ger Regan on August 14, 2023, 10:57:16 PM
Somewhat surprised we're not in for Adams from Leeds, would have thought his versatility alone would have been worth taking a punt on (not to mention relatively low fee)

Keep saying this. Apparently off to Bournemouth now. Very very good player. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on August 14, 2023, 11:52:33 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 14, 2023, 11:38:17 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on August 14, 2023, 11:18:25 PM
Acuna is shite....

Oh absolutely, what with his World Cup winners medal and being judged as the best left back last season in La Liga. Absolute shite! Now if you'd said he was too old.. but you didn't. TOYA

Thought he and DePaul were brilliant for Argentina. Fight, heart and skill levels all in one. Not unlike their keeper. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 14, 2023, 11:53:41 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ozzjim on August 14, 2023, 11:48:45 PM
Quote from: Ger Regan on August 14, 2023, 10:57:16 PM
Somewhat surprised we're not in for Adams from Leeds, would have thought his versatility alone would have been worth taking a punt on (not to mention relatively low fee)

Keep saying this. Apparently off to Bournemouth now. Very very good player. 

The kind of defensive midfielder who would have kicked anything approaching our box last Saturday. I'm all for more technical players right across the pitch but sometimes, just like the Saudi's rugby league defenders, we need a bit of intelligent nasty in the squad.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on August 14, 2023, 11:57:13 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 14, 2023, 11:53:41 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 14, 2023, 11:48:45 PM
Quote from: Ger Regan on August 14, 2023, 10:57:16 PM
Somewhat surprised we're not in for Adams from Leeds, would have thought his versatility alone would have been worth taking a punt on (not to mention relatively low fee)

Keep saying this. Apparently off to Bournemouth now. Very very good player. 

The kind of defensive midfielder who would have kicked anything approaching our box last Saturday. I'm all for more technical players right across the pitch but sometimes, just like the Saudi's rugby league defenders, we need a bit of intelligent nasty in the squad.

Agreed. Adams is a leader despite his age too, and can play a fair bit. Kamara needs genuine competition/ backup in this team. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 14, 2023, 11:57:33 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ozzjim on August 14, 2023, 11:52:33 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 14, 2023, 11:38:17 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on August 14, 2023, 11:18:25 PM
Acuna is shite....

Oh absolutely, what with his World Cup winners medal and being judged as the best left back last season in La Liga. Absolute shite! Now if you'd said he was too old.. but you didn't. TOYA

Thought he and DePaul were brilliant for Argentina. Fight, heart and skill levels all in one. Not unlike their keeper. 

Talking sense again. One of the reasons I never skim read your posts, fella. And to think the last time I saw you you were knee high to a grasshopper with half the weight. ;)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 15, 2023, 12:01:56 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: brontebilly on August 14, 2023, 11:18:25 PM
Kieran Tierney at Arsenal would be ideal, Newcastle being heavily linked. He's 26 and would be genuine competition for Moreno. That's the calibre of player we should be pushing to get. 

Apparently he may be available on loan; From the Daily Record (Celtic would like him back) - "Arsenal have asked for around £25million or £30million to let him go permanently, but a transfer on loan is also considered an option."

Time for SJM to make a call.

EDIT: Just to add, anybody else notice Digne has looked as miserable as sin pre-season? Even with his assist the other week, I couldn't help notice his heart doesn't seem to be in it. Maybe Slippy will come a calling.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 15, 2023, 12:10:43 AM
			

			

				He's always come across like that even when you watch behind the scenes stuff at the ground. He's just got a miserable head and overall demeanour, he looked the same at Everton (I know, more warranted).
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on August 15, 2023, 12:23:47 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: brontebilly on August 14, 2023, 11:18:25 PM
Acuna is shite....

Kieran Tierney at Arsenal would be ideal, Newcastle being heavily linked. He's 26 and would be genuine competition for Moreno. That's the calibre of player we should be pushing to get. 

Born on the Isle of Man, easily the most high profile footballer from there.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 15, 2023, 12:25:09 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on August 15, 2023, 12:10:43 AM
He's always come across like that even when you watch behind the scenes stuff at the ground. He's just got a miserable head and overall demeanour, he looked the same at Everton (I know, more warranted).

Yeah but he couldn't get away from Everton fast enough. It wouldn't surprise me if he'd been told he can find another club if he expects regular first team football beyond September. You may be right but I'd never noticed it before.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 15, 2023, 12:30:20 AM
			

			

				He looked happy in one of the preseason games. One of the young lads scored, I think from his pass, and they had a little celebration together. Maybe that was a one off.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on August 15, 2023, 01:33:24 AM
			

			

				I remember being unimpressed with Acuña a couple of times during the World Cup, looked like his physicality was his main weapon but have never seen him for Sevilla so maybe there's more to him.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Axl Rose on August 15, 2023, 01:43:46 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 14, 2023, 11:38:17 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on August 14, 2023, 11:18:25 PM
Acuna is shite....

Oh absolutely, what with his World Cup winners medal and being judged as the best left back last season in La Liga. Absolute shite! Now if you'd said he was too old.. but you didn't. TOYA

This. Acuna would be great for us. As would Adams.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rory on August 15, 2023, 02:41:35 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on August 15, 2023, 12:23:47 AM
Quote from: brontebilly on August 14, 2023, 11:18:25 PM
Acuna is shite....

Kieran Tierney at Arsenal would be ideal, Newcastle being heavily linked. He's 26 and would be genuine competition for Moreno. That's the calibre of player we should be pushing to get. 

Born on the Isle of Man, easily the most high profile footballer from there.

No need to put us off now, Martin 😉
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: andyh on August 15, 2023, 05:53:02 AM
			

			

				I like Tierney.
He tucks his shirt into his shorts. Obviously brought up properly.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: steamer on August 15, 2023, 07:03:29 AM
			

			

				Yanited do not want to let slabhead go until they sign a replacement
Why dont we target the replacement, slabhead stays
Done and dusted
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 15, 2023, 09:21:35 AM
			

			

				Acuna links are true. Would be if Digne goes (guessing Saudi)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on August 15, 2023, 09:23:55 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 15, 2023, 09:21:35 AM
Acuna links are true. Would be if Digne goes (guessing Saudi)

I can drive him, I'm off tomorrow and Thursday
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on August 15, 2023, 09:33:28 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on August 15, 2023, 09:23:55 AM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 15, 2023, 09:21:35 AM
Acuna links are true. Would be if Digne goes (guessing Saudi)

I can drive him, I'm off tomorrow and Thursday

You can drop him at Newport Pagnell services mate i’ll take him to the airport from there

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on August 15, 2023, 09:34:31 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on August 15, 2023, 12:23:47 AM
Quote from: brontebilly on August 14, 2023, 11:18:25 PM
Acuna is shite....

Kieran Tierney at Arsenal would be ideal, Newcastle being heavily linked. He's 26 and would be genuine competition for Moreno. That's the calibre of player we should be pushing to get. 

Born on the Isle of Man, easily the most high profile footballer from there.
What's the deal with footballers from the Isle of Man? There's loads of England/three lions flags knocking about at the moment ... would they automatically be 'English' or do they get to choose which country they represent?

Asking cos I've been on holiday on the island this week and it's been bugging me.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dave shelley on August 15, 2023, 09:38:24 AM
			

			

				Could be English people living there Algy showing support for their country.  I occasionally put out my tattered St. George's Cross when the humour takes me, especially when Mrs S puts out her Irish Tricolour during sporting occasions.  Hers is bigger than mine btw.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on August 15, 2023, 09:58:53 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: algy on August 15, 2023, 09:34:31 AM
Quote from: Risso on August 15, 2023, 12:23:47 AM
Quote from: brontebilly on August 14, 2023, 11:18:25 PM
Acuna is shite....

Kieran Tierney at Arsenal would be ideal, Newcastle being heavily linked. He's 26 and would be genuine competition for Moreno. That's the calibre of player we should be pushing to get. 

Born on the Isle of Man, easily the most high profile footballer from there.
What's the deal with footballers from the Isle of Man? There's loads of England/three lions flags knocking about at the moment ... would they automatically be 'English' or do they get to choose which country they represent?

Asking cos I've been on holiday on the island this week and it's been bugging me.

My guess is that it would be similar to the Channel Islands, and I think that they can declare for any of the four home nations.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on August 15, 2023, 10:34:26 AM
			

			

				Sergio Ramos is a free agent.

Just saying. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on August 15, 2023, 10:37:06 AM
			

			

				Imagine the amount of red cards he’d get in the PL :-)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: London Villan on August 15, 2023, 10:37:34 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 15, 2023, 09:21:35 AM
Acuna links are true. Would be if Digne goes (guessing Saudi)

Pity he isn't right-footed as he would be perfect as an additional option for Cash - who I'm still not sure about.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on August 15, 2023, 10:42:35 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Gareth on August 15, 2023, 10:37:06 AM
Imagine the amount of red cards he’d get in the PL :-)

Worth considering imo. 37, he's not too old for one season. This go Silva is older and is a regular for Chelsea. Rmaos would pop up with a few goals too.


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on August 15, 2023, 10:44:27 AM
			

			

				Cash is an odd one, after Saturday thought he was v poor & needs upgrading, he’ll probs have a stormer v Everton and be happy again :/)

I’m not sure he is a good enough attacker or a good enough defender to be consistent 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on August 15, 2023, 10:49:08 AM
			

			

				Emi and Ramos in cahoots together, we'd be hated.

It's a solid 'yes' from me.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on August 15, 2023, 10:50:06 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: john e on August 15, 2023, 09:33:28 AM
Quote from: LeeB on August 15, 2023, 09:23:55 AM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 15, 2023, 09:21:35 AM
Acuna links are true. Would be if Digne goes (guessing Saudi)

I can drive him, I'm off tomorrow and Thursday

You can drop him at Newport Pagnell services mate i’ll take him to the airport from there


Good man, cheers.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: avfcdale on August 15, 2023, 10:57:30 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on August 15, 2023, 10:49:08 AM
Emi and Ramos in cahoots together, we'd be hated.

It's a solid 'yes' from me.

Definitely yes
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 15, 2023, 11:32:47 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Gareth on August 15, 2023, 10:44:27 AM
Cash is an odd one, after Saturday thought he was v poor & needs upgrading, he’ll probs have a stormer v Everton and be happy again :/)

I’m not sure he is a good enough attacker or a good enough defender to be consistent

If our entire squad was fit then Cash would be the weak link in the back 4 and be next in line for an upgrade. With all the disruption now I'm not sure we need to be adding another new player in the mix. I know Costa's been with us for over a year but he's basically new, Torres stepping in for Mings, Digne covering for Moreno, it could be very haphazard at the back for a game or two. 

I'm all for signing a new RB, but until Moreno is back I think Cash should start. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on August 15, 2023, 11:36:49 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 15, 2023, 11:32:47 AM
Quote from: Gareth on August 15, 2023, 10:44:27 AM
Cash is an odd one, after Saturday thought he was v poor & needs upgrading, he’ll probs have a stormer v Everton and be happy again :/)

I’m not sure he is a good enough attacker or a good enough defender to be consistent

If our entire squad was fit then Cash would be the weak link in the back 4 and be next in line for an upgrade. With all the disruption now I'm not sure we need to be adding another new player in the mix. I know Costa's been with us for over a year but he's basically new, Torres stepping in for Mings, Digne covering for Moreno, it could be very haphazard at the back for a game or two. 

I'm all for signing a new RB, but until Moreno is back I think Cash should start. 

Good points, it's a very inexperienced back four now. In terms of Premier League know how and playing the Emery way.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 15, 2023, 11:42:14 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on August 15, 2023, 11:36:49 AM
Quote from: AV84 on August 15, 2023, 11:32:47 AM
Quote from: Gareth on August 15, 2023, 10:44:27 AM
Cash is an odd one, after Saturday thought he was v poor & needs upgrading, he’ll probs have a stormer v Everton and be happy again :/)

I’m not sure he is a good enough attacker or a good enough defender to be consistent

If our entire squad was fit then Cash would be the weak link in the back 4 and be next in line for an upgrade. With all the disruption now I'm not sure we need to be adding another new player in the mix. I know Costa's been with us for over a year but he's basically new, Torres stepping in for Mings, Digne covering for Moreno, it could be very haphazard at the back for a game or two. 

I'm all for signing a new RB, but until Moreno is back I think Cash should start. 

Good points, it's a very inexperienced back four now. In terms of Premier League know how and playing the Emery way.

We've got Everton and Burnley next, the two qualiers, then Liverpool at Anfield before the break. We should be aiming at 4 wins out of that, and then who knows at Anfield. After the break, hopefully, we'll have Ramsey and Moreno back, but until then I'd think as little disruption as possible given how much we've already had in the space of a few days.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Fasth56 on August 15, 2023, 12:12:45 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on August 15, 2023, 10:49:08 AM
Emi and Ramos in cahoots together, we'd be hated.

It's a solid 'yes' from me.

Pepe is still playing and only 40, would add the much needed "physicality" we're missing
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on August 15, 2023, 12:13:32 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on August 15, 2023, 10:49:08 AM
Emi and Ramos in cahoots together, we'd be hated.

It's a solid 'yes' from me.

Christ, 3pm games would finish after 6!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 15, 2023, 12:34:28 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on August 15, 2023, 10:34:26 AM
Sergio Ramos is a free agent.

Just saying.

He's a twat, but i wouldn't say no for a season.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on August 15, 2023, 12:34:38 PM
			

			

				Add Acuna into the mix. God help us all. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 15, 2023, 12:42:51 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ozzjim on August 15, 2023, 12:34:38 PM
Add Acuna into the mix. God help us all.

I'm quite happy to have a few intimidating sorts in the team. As long as nobody actually gets hurt, just roughed up a fair bit.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 15, 2023, 12:58:26 PM
			

			

				Acuña Matata? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 15, 2023, 12:58:58 PM
			

			

				Acuna looks like he had a tough paper round. Transcontinental possibly.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ian. on August 15, 2023, 01:03:43 PM
			

			

				Acuna is ace, he was awesome in the World Cup I thought. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Goldenballs on August 15, 2023, 01:03:55 PM
			

			

				I'd be up for getting Ramos in, it would be a good laugh. Probably get more goals than our midfield. We can put a hit out on Ben Mee as well. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SoccerHQ on August 15, 2023, 01:06:43 PM
			

			

				Amazing how times change.

Few years back you were risking monthly bans on here if you dared suggest singing players even approaching 30.

That first season back up we were desperate for some experienced know how in key areas but it was frequently dismissed for up and coming hungry young players.

Acuna's a good player for sure but signing a guy older than Moreno, that's a bit odd to me.

Much rather ask about Tierney who Real Sociedad want on loan and I don't think he even made the Arsenal bench for Forest match.


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Goldenballs on August 15, 2023, 01:10:57 PM
			

			

				He looks like he's been dressed by his parents with how much of his shirt is stuffed into his shorts. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Paul.S on August 15, 2023, 01:15:56 PM
			

			

				If there is any truth in this at all then one thing we won’t have to worry about is being overpowered. Let’s just say he can look after himself. Maybe that but of spite is exactly what we need although there is a very fine line.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 15, 2023, 01:23:06 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 15, 2023, 12:58:58 PM
Acuna looks like he had a tough paper round. Transcontinental possibly.

Ha! Or as Eamonn put it..
Quote from: eamonn on August 14, 2023, 10:53:43 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 14, 2023, 08:36:08 PM
Acuna reminds me a little of Freddie Bouma when defending, but probably more attacking overall 

They both look like old spuds. 

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 15, 2023, 01:42:05 PM
			

			

				his age dont worry me , would we turn Kyle walker down from Man city ?

liverpools Thiago Alcântara,Thiago silva, Milner and Tripper all done a brilliant job at an old age

Fernandinho and David Silva were not young and old own Ashley young we signed in his mature years and did a splendid job  and would you have  an old Ramos for a year , yes please .

About time we got some ugly experience hard players in like Acuna who would straight away be used of our Emi M after playing together for the argies and vice versa , lucas Diegne is soft as manure 

Id take an Athetico Madrid type hard bastard defence line with the excitement of players like Diaby , Ramsay and Zaniola 


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on August 15, 2023, 01:50:00 PM
			

			

				With Timber out for months, Arsenal may now not want to lose Tierney. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 15, 2023, 02:19:06 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ian. on August 15, 2023, 01:03:43 PM
Acuna is ace, he was awesome in the World Cup I thought.

He's a good player but i've only read about him being a left back, i.e. not used in other positions so it has to mean Digne is off. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: murgsy on August 15, 2023, 02:24:59 PM
			

			

				would we sign Acuna with the thoughts that Moreno would play further up on the wing? 
Get Juan Foyth on the right and now we're talking (I know he wants to go to Barca and would cost a lot)....
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on August 15, 2023, 02:31:14 PM
			

			

				Tierney spends a fair amount of time injured too doesn't he? I think Acuna makes some sense, but agree with the age issue Soccer, our back 4 in general needs a couple of younger options coming through. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: enigma on August 15, 2023, 02:34:19 PM
			

			

				Foyth was pretty shit for Spurs though. I know he was young and inexperienced but still, my only memories of him were dropping one bollock after another.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 15, 2023, 02:35:27 PM
			

			

				If the price is right I'd go for experience now, and look at younger "exciting" players in January or next summer. In defence anyway. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on August 15, 2023, 02:43:33 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 15, 2023, 02:35:27 PM
If the price is right I'd go for experience now, and look at younger "exciting" players in January or next summer. In defence anyway.

Ramos would be free.

Just saying. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ian. on August 15, 2023, 02:50:01 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on August 15, 2023, 02:19:06 PM
Quote from: Ian. on August 15, 2023, 01:03:43 PM
Acuna is ace, he was awesome in the World Cup I thought.

He's a good player but i've only read about him being a left back, i.e. not used in other positions so it has to mean Digne is off. 

I’d much rather have Acuna than Digne.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 15, 2023, 03:16:02 PM
			

			

				Yes, me too. What i was saying really is that i don't see the point in signing another left back unless Digne is off, considering we need players in other areas, but as someone pointed out we could use Moreno further up.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on August 15, 2023, 03:28:24 PM
			

			

				We really could do with signing a couple of absolute bastards, been saying it for years now. Acuna would be a good start
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 15, 2023, 03:29:06 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on August 15, 2023, 03:16:02 PM
Yes, me too. What i was saying really is that i don't see the point in signing another left back unless Digne is off, considering we need players in other areas, but as someone pointed out we could use Moreno further up.

The poster that has connections (Vinnie?) said a few pages back that Acuna would mean Digne leaving. He's been linked with Saudi clubs since the window opened, so it may well be one in one out. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ian. on August 15, 2023, 03:35:21 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: SoccerHQ on August 15, 2023, 01:06:43 PM
Amazing how times change.

Few years back you were risking monthly bans on here if you dared suggest singing players even approaching 30.

That first season back up we were desperate for some experienced know how in key areas but it was frequently dismissed for up and coming hungry young players.

Acuna's a good player for sure but signing a guy older than Moreno, that's a bit odd to me.

Much rather ask about Tierney who Real Sociedad want on loan and I don't think he even made the Arsenal bench for Forest match.



We haven’t bought too many older heads and Ashley Young showed us how last year the right player can make a huge difference. When Cash got injured and it meant Young playing more regularly he was outstanding.

He’s left and with Mings now out this could be a fantastic bit of business. 


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on August 15, 2023, 03:40:19 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 15, 2023, 03:29:06 PM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on August 15, 2023, 03:16:02 PM
Yes, me too. What i was saying really is that i don't see the point in signing another left back unless Digne is off, considering we need players in other areas, but as someone pointed out we could use Moreno further up.

The poster that has connections (Vinnie?) said a few pages back that Acuna would mean Digne leaving. He's been linked with Saudi clubs since the window opened, so it may well be one in one out.

Percy said as much today as well, 

Quote
Unai Emery is also keen to bring in Acuna, the Argentina international, as a replacement for Lucas Digne who has been the subject of interest from clubs in Saudi Arabia.

Acuna has been with Sevilla for nearly three years and Villa are exploring a deal to bring him to the Premier League.

Digne is understood to be the latest player to be offered a move to the ambitious Saudi Pro League, with Riyadh giants Al-Hilal believed to be one of several options.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on August 15, 2023, 03:53:02 PM
			

			

				Digne is the epitome of average, given what we paid for him.  Moreno is so much better in every area.  I hope he goes and we bring in Acuna. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 15, 2023, 03:55:49 PM
			

			

				I think Digne deserves some credit. He's been linked with a few places this summer and probably knows his time is limited at Villa, but he's stayed, and he's trained, and he's committed to the club while he's still here. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on August 15, 2023, 03:58:20 PM
			

			

				Diner's free kick against MU was  8)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on August 15, 2023, 04:07:44 PM
			

			

				If Digne is to leave and a Saudi club would give us his FFP book value & we could replace with a player Unai wants at similar value but lower salary it’s a win/win.

The fact Digne was the first player to be upgraded in Jan shows Emery wasn’t sold on him
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on August 15, 2023, 04:17:00 PM
			

			

				And why would he be?

He is slower than concrete...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: lovejoy on August 15, 2023, 05:01:30 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on August 15, 2023, 02:43:33 PM
Quote from: AV84 on August 15, 2023, 02:35:27 PM
If the price is right I'd go for experience now, and look at younger "exciting" players in January or next summer. In defence anyway.

Ramos would be free.

Just saying.

I suggest he’d want wages and a signing on fee, just saying. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on August 15, 2023, 05:18:49 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 15, 2023, 03:55:49 PM
I think Digne deserves some credit. He's been linked with a few places this summer and probably knows his time is limited at Villa, but he's stayed, and he's trained, and he's committed to the club while he's still here. 

We pay him an obscene amount of money a week, more than almost anyone at the club, the least I'd expect from him is some professionalism.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 15, 2023, 05:39:31 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on August 15, 2023, 05:18:49 PM
Quote from: AV84 on August 15, 2023, 03:55:49 PM
I think Digne deserves some credit. He's been linked with a few places this summer and probably knows his time is limited at Villa, but he's stayed, and he's trained, and he's committed to the club while he's still here. 

We pay him an obscene amount of money a week, more than almost anyone at the club, the least I'd expect from him is some professionalism.

That's not really how it works though, is it. There's loads of players at loads of clubs who get paid loads of money and when they decide they want out, or are told they're surplus to requirement, they act like petulant children. Digne could have demanded to be let go as soon as the window opened, its not his problem that Moreno is out, he could have sat back on his 120k a week and demanded to be let go, refuse to train, play etc. etc.

Yeah, it's a pretty low bar, but sometimes the bar is just that low.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on August 15, 2023, 05:47:11 PM
			

			

				It's thought that Digne isn't prepared to play a small role once Moreno is fit again. So a move is in everybody's best interests. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on August 15, 2023, 05:51:24 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 15, 2023, 05:39:31 PM
Quote from: eamonn on August 15, 2023, 05:18:49 PM
Quote from: AV84 on August 15, 2023, 03:55:49 PM
I think Digne deserves some credit. He's been linked with a few places this summer and probably knows his time is limited at Villa, but he's stayed, and he's trained, and he's committed to the club while he's still here. 

We pay him an obscene amount of money a week, more than almost anyone at the club, the least I'd expect from him is some professionalism.

That's not really how it works though, is it. There's loads of players at loads of clubs who get paid loads of money and when they decide they want out, or are told they're surplus to requirement, they act like petulant children. Digne could have demanded to be let go as soon as the window opened, its not his problem that Moreno is out, he could have sat back on his 120k a week and demanded to be let go, refuse to train, play etc. etc.

Yeah, it's a pretty low bar, but sometimes the bar is just that low.  

It's a very low bar. Moreno is out, now is your time to finally impress and make the number 3 shirt (old-stylee) your own. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: 85kota on August 15, 2023, 05:52:27 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 15, 2023, 05:39:31 PM
Quote from: eamonn on August 15, 2023, 05:18:49 PM
Quote from: AV84 on August 15, 2023, 03:55:49 PM
I think Digne deserves some credit. He's been linked with a few places this summer and probably knows his time is limited at Villa, but he's stayed, and he's trained, and he's committed to the club while he's still here. 

We pay him an obscene amount of money a week, more than almost anyone at the club, the least I'd expect from him is some professionalism.

That's not really how it works though, is it. There's loads of players at loads of clubs who get paid loads of money and when they decide they want out, or are told they're surplus to requirement, they act like petulant children. Digne could have demanded to be let go as soon as the window opened, its not his problem that Moreno is out, he could have sat back on his 120k a week and demanded to be let go, refuse to train, play etc. etc.

Yeah, it's a pretty low bar, but sometimes the bar is just that low. 

Oh thank you, Mr. Digne, sir, for being such a tremendously generous fellow and gracing us with your presence. We are truly honoured.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on August 15, 2023, 06:15:26 PM
			

			

				Not sure he deserves that ridiculous comment, surely? I think he's mostly been pretty decent, and even if you don't, I haven't seen anything to doubt his commitment or effort.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 15, 2023, 06:15:49 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: 85kota on August 15, 2023, 05:52:27 PM
Quote from: AV84 on August 15, 2023, 05:39:31 PM
Quote from: eamonn on August 15, 2023, 05:18:49 PM
Quote from: AV84 on August 15, 2023, 03:55:49 PM
I think Digne deserves some credit. He's been linked with a few places this summer and probably knows his time is limited at Villa, but he's stayed, and he's trained, and he's committed to the club while he's still here. 

We pay him an obscene amount of money a week, more than almost anyone at the club, the least I'd expect from him is some professionalism.

That's not really how it works though, is it. There's loads of players at loads of clubs who get paid loads of money and when they decide they want out, or are told they're surplus to requirement, they act like petulant children. Digne could have demanded to be let go as soon as the window opened, its not his problem that Moreno is out, he could have sat back on his 120k a week and demanded to be let go, refuse to train, play etc. etc.

Yeah, it's a pretty low bar, but sometimes the bar is just that low. 

Oh thank you, Mr. Digne, sir, for being such a tremendously generous fellow and gracing us with your presence. We are truly honoured.

Yeah, because that's exactly what I'm asking for. 

I do find it funny that you get more stick on this forum for suggesting a player has earned a bit of respect for how he's behaved, than you do for suggesting the only reason a woman has a job is because she's attractive. But we did say the bar is very low. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on August 15, 2023, 06:17:35 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on August 15, 2023, 06:15:26 PM
Not sure he deserves that ridiculous comment, surely? I think he's mostly been pretty decent, and even if you don't, I haven't seen anything to doubt his commitment or effort.

I don't get it. Seems a solid bloke, never said a bad word about the club. He might not be the best suited to this system, but that happens. He is getting paid what we offered him. That's not his fault. It's a contract. I don't really understand some of ridicule or vitriol.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on August 15, 2023, 06:19:33 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 15, 2023, 06:17:35 PM
Quote from: Risso on August 15, 2023, 06:15:26 PM
Not sure he deserves that ridiculous comment, surely? I think he's mostly been pretty decent, and even if you don't, I haven't seen anything to doubt his commitment or effort.

I don't get it. Seems a solid bloke, never said a bad word about the club. He might not be the best suited to this system, but that happens. He is getting paid what we offered him. That's not his fault. It's a contract. I don't really understand some of ridicule or vitriol.

I think people conflate him with Gerrard and use him as a target for their ire.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 15, 2023, 06:21:25 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 15, 2023, 06:19:33 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 15, 2023, 06:17:35 PM
Quote from: Risso on August 15, 2023, 06:15:26 PM
Not sure he deserves that ridiculous comment, surely? I think he's mostly been pretty decent, and even if you don't, I haven't seen anything to doubt his commitment or effort.

I don't get it. Seems a solid bloke, never said a bad word about the club. He might not be the best suited to this system, but that happens. He is getting paid what we offered him. That's not his fault. It's a contract. I don't really understand some of ridicule or vitriol.

I think people conflate him with Gerrard and use him as a target for their ire.

I think today its simply the fact that it's been implied we have a replacement lined up and he'll be allowed leave. So suddenly he's shit etc. etc.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on August 15, 2023, 06:22:53 PM
			

			

				AV84, you're not getting stick, people are just disagreeing with you. 

As for Digne, he's ok. Solid enough defensively but not the best attacking wise. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 15, 2023, 06:25:13 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clampy on August 15, 2023, 06:22:53 PM
AV84, you're not getting stick, people are just disagreeing with you. 

As for Digne, he's ok. Solid enough defensively but not the best attacking wise.

Nope. People are ignoring what I'm actually saying and acting like I've asked everyone to bow down and kiss his feet. But that's the internet for you. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Richard on August 15, 2023, 06:28:37 PM
			

			

				Digne is probably the scapegoat for people still sulking after Saturday.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on August 15, 2023, 06:30:48 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 15, 2023, 06:25:13 PM
Quote from: Clampy on August 15, 2023, 06:22:53 PM
AV84, you're not getting stick, people are just disagreeing with you. 

As for Digne, he's ok. Solid enough defensively but not the best attacking wise.

Nope. People are ignoring what I'm actually saying and acting like I've asked everyone to bow down and kiss his feet. But that's the internet for you. 

You are getting stick mate, but you’re saying nice things about Digne so you deserve it 
and I won’t be kissing his feet like you suggest 


😃
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Daley’s dreads on August 15, 2023, 06:31:25 PM
			

			

				I thought he was our best defender on Sunday. Admittedly, that is a pretty low bar! 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on August 15, 2023, 06:32:27 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Richard on August 15, 2023, 06:28:37 PM
Digne is probably the scapegoat for people still sulking after Saturday.
He was one of the few that did ok.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SamTheMouse on August 15, 2023, 06:38:10 PM
			

			

				Digne's fine, but he's no spring chicken and when Moreno returns he won't be first choice. He's also on a big wedge.

A move would be in everyone's interests. Thanks for your service, shake hands, and move on.

Then hopefully sign a younger version of Moreno, whom I really rate.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on August 15, 2023, 06:40:36 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: SamTheMouse on August 15, 2023, 06:38:10 PM
Digne's fine, but he's no spring chicken and when Moreno returns he won't be first choice. He's also on a big wedge.



Moreno's older than Digne.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 15, 2023, 06:41:40 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: SamTheMouse on August 15, 2023, 06:38:10 PM
Digne's fine, but he's no spring chicken and when Moreno returns he won't be first choice. He's also on a big wedge.

A move would be in everyone's interests. Thanks for your service, shake hands, and move on.

Then hopefully sign a younger version of Moreno, whom I really rate.

Yes, and if we can all see it he can surely see it too, and yet he's still being a professional and giving it all while he is still here. Which I respect. Is all I was saying. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SamTheMouse on August 15, 2023, 06:42:12 PM
			

			

				Yeah, I meant a lot younger than Moreno. Someone to play understudy. Digne isn't going to want that at this late stage in his career.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Astral Weeks on August 15, 2023, 06:45:21 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ChicagoLion on August 15, 2023, 06:32:27 PM
Quote from: Richard on August 15, 2023, 06:28:37 PM
Digne is probably the scapegoat for people still sulking after Saturday.
He was one of the few that did ok.
And looked like he actually gave a shit.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on August 15, 2023, 06:48:53 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: SamTheMouse on August 15, 2023, 06:42:12 PM
Yeah, I meant a lot younger than Moreno. Someone to play understudy. Digne isn't going to want that at this late stage in his career.

Sounds like they're going the opposite way. So will Acuña be happy to be playing understudy? Or is he good enough to provide genuine competition to Moreno? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 15, 2023, 06:50:14 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 15, 2023, 06:15:49 PM
Quote from: 85kota on August 15, 2023, 05:52:27 PM
Quote from: AV84 on August 15, 2023, 05:39:31 PM
Quote from: eamonn on August 15, 2023, 05:18:49 PM
Quote from: AV84 on August 15, 2023, 03:55:49 PM
I think Digne deserves some credit. He's been linked with a few places this summer and probably knows his time is limited at Villa, but he's stayed, and he's trained, and he's committed to the club while he's still here. 

We pay him an obscene amount of money a week, more than almost anyone at the club, the least I'd expect from him is some professionalism.

That's not really how it works though, is it. There's loads of players at loads of clubs who get paid loads of money and when they decide they want out, or are told they're surplus to requirement, they act like petulant children. Digne could have demanded to be let go as soon as the window opened, its not his problem that Moreno is out, he could have sat back on his 120k a week and demanded to be let go, refuse to train, play etc. etc.

Yeah, it's a pretty low bar, but sometimes the bar is just that low. 

Oh thank you, Mr. Digne, sir, for being such a tremendously generous fellow and gracing us with your presence. We are truly honoured.

Yeah, because that's exactly what I'm asking for. 

I do find it funny that you get more stick on this forum for suggesting a player has earned a bit of respect for how he's behaved, than you do for suggesting the only reason a woman has a job is because she's attractive. But we did say the bar is very low.

I wouldn’t worry about it. In his limited number of posts so far, from what I’ve seen all he’s capable of is twatty remarks.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 15, 2023, 06:53:29 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 15, 2023, 06:15:49 PM
Quote from: 85kota on August 15, 2023, 05:52:27 PM
Quote from: AV84 on August 15, 2023, 05:39:31 PM
Quote from: eamonn on August 15, 2023, 05:18:49 PM
Quote from: AV84 on August 15, 2023, 03:55:49 PM
I think Digne deserves some credit. He's been linked with a few places this summer and probably knows his time is limited at Villa, but he's stayed, and he's trained, and he's committed to the club while he's still here. 

We pay him an obscene amount of money a week, more than almost anyone at the club, the least I'd expect from him is some professionalism.

That's not really how it works though, is it. There's loads of players at loads of clubs who get paid loads of money and when they decide they want out, or are told they're surplus to requirement, they act like petulant children. Digne could have demanded to be let go as soon as the window opened, its not his problem that Moreno is out, he could have sat back on his 120k a week and demanded to be let go, refuse to train, play etc. etc.

Yeah, it's a pretty low bar, but sometimes the bar is just that low. 

Oh thank you, Mr. Digne, sir, for being such a tremendously generous fellow and gracing us with your presence. We are truly honoured.



I do find it funny that you get more stick on this forum for suggesting a player has earned a bit of respect for how he's behaved, than you do for suggesting the only reason a woman has a job is because she's attractive.

Maybe women are deserving of respect too? It's a crazy idea, but there's something in it, I reckon.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 15, 2023, 07:02:38 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on August 15, 2023, 06:53:29 PM
Quote from: AV84 on August 15, 2023, 06:15:49 PM
Quote from: 85kota on August 15, 2023, 05:52:27 PM
Quote from: AV84 on August 15, 2023, 05:39:31 PM
Quote from: eamonn on August 15, 2023, 05:18:49 PM
Quote from: AV84 on August 15, 2023, 03:55:49 PM
I think Digne deserves some credit. He's been linked with a few places this summer and probably knows his time is limited at Villa, but he's stayed, and he's trained, and he's committed to the club while he's still here. 

We pay him an obscene amount of money a week, more than almost anyone at the club, the least I'd expect from him is some professionalism.

That's not really how it works though, is it. There's loads of players at loads of clubs who get paid loads of money and when they decide they want out, or are told they're surplus to requirement, they act like petulant children. Digne could have demanded to be let go as soon as the window opened, its not his problem that Moreno is out, he could have sat back on his 120k a week and demanded to be let go, refuse to train, play etc. etc.

Yeah, it's a pretty low bar, but sometimes the bar is just that low. 

Oh thank you, Mr. Digne, sir, for being such a tremendously generous fellow and gracing us with your presence. We are truly honoured.



I do find it funny that you get more stick on this forum for suggesting a player has earned a bit of respect for how he's behaved, than you do for suggesting the only reason a woman has a job is because she's attractive.

Maybe women are deserving of respect too? It's a crazy idea, but there's something in it, I reckon.

Genuinely can't tell if this is an attempt at a joke or you've just misread what I've said, which is funny in itself given how the rest of that conversation went. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on August 15, 2023, 07:05:47 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: SamTheMouse on August 15, 2023, 06:42:12 PM
Yeah, I meant a lot younger than Moreno. Someone to play understudy. Digne isn't going to want that at this late stage in his career.

But we're apparently after Acuna who is older than both Moreno and Digne.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john2710 on August 15, 2023, 07:21:04 PM
			

			

				For as long as I've been a Villa fan, someone has always been the scapegoat. Even the season we won the league there were plenty who picked fault with Cowan's. Before him it was McNaught & before that, Mortimer.

Digne is OK & most likely he's being edged out because of his salary & the fact he doesn't fit the profile that Emery wants.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: N'ZMAV on August 15, 2023, 07:26:02 PM
			

			

				Digne is a good player in the right team. Which, was Everton. Even after taking over from a club legend like Leighton Baines.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on August 15, 2023, 07:26:38 PM
			

			

				few rumblings we are about to sell Archer on a permanent move. Be fuming if true 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: N'ZMAV on August 15, 2023, 07:38:10 PM
			

			

				isn't this the new model? develop younger players and flog them if they're not in the team?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Goldenballs on August 15, 2023, 07:41:00 PM
			

			

				Digne is fine, with him and a fit Moreno we've probably one of the clubs with the best 2 choices at LB.

If Emery reckons he can get better value elsewhere then fair enough, but this other dude will be after a big last contract. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 15, 2023, 07:41:40 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: VillaTim on August 15, 2023, 07:26:38 PM
few rumblings we are about to sell Archer on a permanent move. Be fuming if true

This has been on the go for a week or more now. I think of Zaniolo comes in and can play as a striker/attacking mid, and Diaby is similar, plus Watkins, then we're probably set for that position. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: London Villan on August 15, 2023, 07:43:45 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Goldenballs on August 15, 2023, 07:41:00 PM
Digne is fine, with him and a fit Moreno we've probably one of the clubs with the best 2 choices at LB.

If Emery reckons he can get better value elsewhere then fair enough, but this other dude will be after a big last contract. 

Probably on less than Digne, who along with Phil, are on the highest weekly salaries.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: rougegorge on August 15, 2023, 07:44:57 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 15, 2023, 07:41:40 PM
Quote from: VillaTim on August 15, 2023, 07:26:38 PM
few rumblings we are about to sell Archer on a permanent move. Be fuming if true

This has been on the go for a week or more now. I think of Zaniolo comes in and can play as a striker/attacking mid, and Diaby is similar, plus Watkins, then we're probably set for that position.
I don't mind as long as we have got somebody better lined up as an attacking back-up.

I don't really know how Archer would fare, as he has never started a league game for us to evaluate, and I am not sure if Emery is going to change that any time soon.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: N'ZMAV on August 15, 2023, 07:54:17 PM
			

			

				Boro are selling Akpom to Ajax for over £10mil....

Wonder if Carrick wants Archer back?....
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 15, 2023, 08:03:26 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 15, 2023, 07:54:17 PM
Boro are selling Akpom to Ajax for over £10mil....

Wonder if Carrick wants Archer back?....

I saw Middlesbrough and Leeds linked yesterday. Sheffield Utd were the Prem team linked when this first came out. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on August 15, 2023, 08:04:56 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 15, 2023, 08:03:26 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 15, 2023, 07:54:17 PM
Boro are selling Akpom to Ajax for over £10mil....

Wonder if Carrick wants Archer back?....

I saw Middlesbrough and Leeds linked yesterday. Sheffield Utd were the Prem team linked when this first came out.

Have seen Luton linked with Archer today as well.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 15, 2023, 08:06:58 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on August 15, 2023, 08:04:56 PM
Quote from: AV84 on August 15, 2023, 08:03:26 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 15, 2023, 07:54:17 PM
Boro are selling Akpom to Ajax for over £10mil....

Wonder if Carrick wants Archer back?....

I saw Middlesbrough and Leeds linked yesterday. Sheffield Utd were the Prem team linked when this first came out.

Have seen Luton linked with Archer today as well.

I would have thought Premier League makes more sense, even with a newly promoted side, especially if we're including a buy back clause. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 15, 2023, 08:12:33 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 15, 2023, 06:15:49 PM
Quote from: 85kota on August 15, 2023, 05:52:27 PM
Quote from: AV84 on August 15, 2023, 05:39:31 PM
Quote from: eamonn on August 15, 2023, 05:18:49 PM
Quote from: AV84 on August 15, 2023, 03:55:49 PM
I think Digne deserves some credit. He's been linked with a few places this summer and probably knows his time is limited at Villa, but he's stayed, and he's trained, and he's committed to the club while he's still here. 

We pay him an obscene amount of money a week, more than almost anyone at the club, the least I'd expect from him is some professionalism.

That's not really how it works though, is it. There's loads of players at loads of clubs who get paid loads of money and when they decide they want out, or are told they're surplus to requirement, they act like petulant children. Digne could have demanded to be let go as soon as the window opened, its not his problem that Moreno is out, he could have sat back on his 120k a week and demanded to be let go, refuse to train, play etc. etc.

Yeah, it's a pretty low bar, but sometimes the bar is just that low. 

Oh thank you, Mr. Digne, sir, for being such a tremendously generous fellow and gracing us with your presence. We are truly honoured.

Yeah, because that's exactly what I'm asking for. 

I do find it funny that you get more stick on this forum for suggesting a player has earned a bit of respect for how he's behaved, than you do for suggesting the only reason a woman has a job is because she's attractive. But we did say the bar is very low.

Is this a reference to the lovely Melissa on SSN? Because as well as being lovely, she’s also good at her job. The new girl in the hijab is also v pretty and good at her job too.

Cancel me if you like.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on August 15, 2023, 08:18:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: VillaTim on August 15, 2023, 07:26:38 PM
few rumblings we are about to sell Archer on a permanent move. Be fuming if true 

If we’ve got someone really good to come to in and it’s structured with a buy back like Ramsey then can’t see the issue really.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 15, 2023, 08:19:50 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 15, 2023, 08:18:17 PM
Quote from: VillaTim on August 15, 2023, 07:26:38 PM
few rumblings we are about to sell Archer on a permanent move. Be fuming if true 

If we’ve got someone really good to come to in and it’s structured with a buy back like Ramsey then can’t see the issue really.

Only if it is to a PL side though.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on August 15, 2023, 08:22:42 PM
			

			

				Yeah agree on that.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SamTheMouse on August 15, 2023, 08:26:25 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on August 15, 2023, 07:05:47 PM
Quote from: SamTheMouse on August 15, 2023, 06:42:12 PM
Yeah, I meant a lot younger than Moreno. Someone to play understudy. Digne isn't going to want that at this late stage in his career.

But we're apparently after Acuna who is older than both Moreno and Digne.

That doesn't strike me as especially sensible, but if that's the way Emery wants to play it, fair enough.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on August 15, 2023, 08:44:07 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 15, 2023, 08:18:17 PM
Quote from: VillaTim on August 15, 2023, 07:26:38 PM
few rumblings we are about to sell Archer on a permanent move. Be fuming if true 

If we’ve got someone really good to come to in and it’s structured with a buy back like Ramsey then can’t see the issue really.

And if its a permanent with no buyback ?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Olneythelonely on August 15, 2023, 08:45:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 15, 2023, 08:12:33 PM
Quote from: AV84 on August 15, 2023, 06:15:49 PM
Quote from: 85kota on August 15, 2023, 05:52:27 PM
Quote from: AV84 on August 15, 2023, 05:39:31 PM
Quote from: eamonn on August 15, 2023, 05:18:49 PM
Quote from: AV84 on August 15, 2023, 03:55:49 PM
I think Digne deserves some credit. He's been linked with a few places this summer and probably knows his time is limited at Villa, but he's stayed, and he's trained, and he's committed to the club while he's still here. 

We pay him an obscene amount of money a week, more than almost anyone at the club, the least I'd expect from him is some professionalism.

That's not really how it works though, is it. There's loads of players at loads of clubs who get paid loads of money and when they decide they want out, or are told they're surplus to requirement, they act like petulant children. Digne could have demanded to be let go as soon as the window opened, its not his problem that Moreno is out, he could have sat back on his 120k a week and demanded to be let go, refuse to train, play etc. etc.

Yeah, it's a pretty low bar, but sometimes the bar is just that low. 

Oh thank you, Mr. Digne, sir, for being such a tremendously generous fellow and gracing us with your presence. We are truly honoured.

Yeah, because that's exactly what I'm asking for. 

I do find it funny that you get more stick on this forum for suggesting a player has earned a bit of respect for how he's behaved, than you do for suggesting the only reason a woman has a job is because she's attractive. But we did say the bar is very low.

Is this a reference to the lovely Melissa on SSN? Because as well as being lovely, she’s also good at her job. The new girl in the hijab is also v pretty and good at her job too.

Cancel me if you like.

It was more that there was a suggestion from someone else that’s the only reason she got the job. Which is all a bit depressing. And likely utter nonsense. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 15, 2023, 08:45:32 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on August 15, 2023, 08:44:07 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 15, 2023, 08:18:17 PM
Quote from: VillaTim on August 15, 2023, 07:26:38 PM
few rumblings we are about to sell Archer on a permanent move. Be fuming if true 

If we’ve got someone really good to come to in and it’s structured with a buy back like Ramsey then can’t see the issue really.

And if its a permanent with no buyback ?

Depends how much we sell him for, and who we get in up front.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on August 15, 2023, 09:00:32 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 15, 2023, 08:45:32 PM
Quote from: eamonn on August 15, 2023, 08:44:07 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 15, 2023, 08:18:17 PM
Quote from: VillaTim on August 15, 2023, 07:26:38 PM
few rumblings we are about to sell Archer on a permanent move. Be fuming if true 

If we’ve got someone really good to come to in and it’s structured with a buy back like Ramsey then can’t see the issue really.

And if its a permanent with no buyback ?

Depends how much we sell him for, and who we get in up front.

Indeed. I’d like Archer to stay and be a success clearly, but if he isn’t going to play or if he isn’t good enough then it is what it is.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 15, 2023, 09:06:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Olneythelonely on August 15, 2023, 08:45:18 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 15, 2023, 08:12:33 PM
Quote from: AV84 on August 15, 2023, 06:15:49 PM
Quote from: 85kota on August 15, 2023, 05:52:27 PM
Quote from: AV84 on August 15, 2023, 05:39:31 PM
Quote from: eamonn on August 15, 2023, 05:18:49 PM
Quote from: AV84 on August 15, 2023, 03:55:49 PM
I think Digne deserves some credit. He's been linked with a few places this summer and probably knows his time is limited at Villa, but he's stayed, and he's trained, and he's committed to the club while he's still here. 

We pay him an obscene amount of money a week, more than almost anyone at the club, the least I'd expect from him is some professionalism.

That's not really how it works though, is it. There's loads of players at loads of clubs who get paid loads of money and when they decide they want out, or are told they're surplus to requirement, they act like petulant children. Digne could have demanded to be let go as soon as the window opened, its not his problem that Moreno is out, he could have sat back on his 120k a week and demanded to be let go, refuse to train, play etc. etc.

Yeah, it's a pretty low bar, but sometimes the bar is just that low. 

Oh thank you, Mr. Digne, sir, for being such a tremendously generous fellow and gracing us with your presence. We are truly honoured.

Yeah, because that's exactly what I'm asking for. 

I do find it funny that you get more stick on this forum for suggesting a player has earned a bit of respect for how he's behaved, than you do for suggesting the only reason a woman has a job is because she's attractive. But we did say the bar is very low.

Is this a reference to the lovely Melissa on SSN? Because as well as being lovely, she’s also good at her job. The new girl in the hijab is also v pretty and good at her job too.

Cancel me if you like.

It was more that there was a suggestion from someone else that’s the only reason she got the job. Which is all a bit depressing. And likely utter nonsense.

I see. I felt like I probably lost track as I tend to go to the last page on threads when we’re awaiting exciting transfer news etc.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 15, 2023, 09:19:13 PM
			

			

				Sounds like Sheffield United are the most likely to sign Archer outright. Luton want to loan him.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gerrin on August 15, 2023, 09:22:58 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 15, 2023, 08:06:58 PM
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on August 15, 2023, 08:04:56 PM
Quote from: AV84 on August 15, 2023, 08:03:26 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 15, 2023, 07:54:17 PM
Boro are selling Akpom to Ajax for over £10mil....

Wonder if Carrick wants Archer back?....

I saw Middlesbrough and Leeds linked yesterday. Sheffield Utd were the Prem team linked when this first came out.

Have seen Luton linked with Archer today as well.

I would have thought Premier League makes more sense, even with a newly promoted side, especially if we're including a buy back clause. 

Apparently he doesn't want to join a Championship team, which you can understand. He's done a shift there and proven himself imo. 

Sad to see him go, but due to recent injuries looks like we need to get some money in for replacements. 

I'm convinced they're lining up a centre forward as back up to Watkins. It was a big gamble selling Ings in January with no real back up. Selling Archer now and not getting someone else in would be insane.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on August 15, 2023, 09:56:00 PM
			

			

				We simply have to buy a striker to challenge Watkins. If Watkins got injured we'd be playing Duran or Davis which is farcical. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 15, 2023, 10:51:22 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 15, 2023, 08:19:50 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 15, 2023, 08:18:17 PM
Quote from: VillaTim on August 15, 2023, 07:26:38 PM
few rumblings we are about to sell Archer on a permanent move. Be fuming if true 

If we’ve got someone really good to come to in and it’s structured with a buy back like Ramsey then can’t see the issue really.

Only if it is to a PL side though.

A PL team that are about to go down the drain as of next week? Fine if you're a keeper or defender, you'll get loads of practice. Joining some half arsed relation clubs like Luton, Sheff Utd or Wolves, where you'll get three opportunities to score all season seems a waste of talent to me. He basically doesn't need to be there.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on August 15, 2023, 11:00:49 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 15, 2023, 10:51:22 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 15, 2023, 08:19:50 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 15, 2023, 08:18:17 PM
Quote from: VillaTim on August 15, 2023, 07:26:38 PM
few rumblings we are about to sell Archer on a permanent move. Be fuming if true 

If we’ve got someone really good to come to in and it’s structured with a buy back like Ramsey then can’t see the issue really.

Only if it is to a PL side though.

A PL team that are about to go down the drain as of next week? Fine if you're a keeper or defender, you'll get loads of practice. Joining some half arsed relation clubs like Luton, Sheff Utd or Wolves, where you'll get three opportunities to score all season seems a waste of talent to me. He basically doesn't need to be there.

Tbf if he'd have played for Wolves on Monday he'd have scored a hattrick
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on August 15, 2023, 11:07:21 PM
			

			

				I'll be quite sad to see Archer leave. Not even given a chance 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on August 15, 2023, 11:18:02 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: VillaTim on August 15, 2023, 09:56:00 PM
We simply have to buy a striker to challenge Watkins. If Watkins got injured we'd be playing Duran or Davis which is farcical. 

Depends how you view Diaby and Zaniolo I guess. Both have played false 9 style positions, and Diaby has been pretty much played up front by Emery in pre season and now. I think we'll sign another forward, but not an out and out striker. Ferran Torres type I'd guess. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on August 15, 2023, 11:22:26 PM
			

			

				We need another striker. As Paulie said on the Newcastle thread, Isak is miles better than Watkins. I'd argue Wilson is as well, and he's going to be used as a sub mainly. We've been light in that department for the last 5 years, time to do something about it.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on August 15, 2023, 11:22:58 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ozzjim on August 15, 2023, 11:18:02 PM
Quote from: VillaTim on August 15, 2023, 09:56:00 PM
We simply have to buy a striker to challenge Watkins. If Watkins got injured we'd be playing Duran or Davis which is farcical. 

Depends how you view Diaby and Zaniolo I guess. Both have played false 9 style positions, and Diaby has been pretty much played up front by Emery in pre season and now. I think we'll sign another forward, but not an out and out striker. Ferran Torres type I'd guess.
yeah i keep hoping for a big Nr 9 to arrive (like Lukaku) but i suppose the modern game has moved on ?? I just don't see Diaby as a 9 and i've already confessed i know nothing about Zaniolo
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on August 16, 2023, 12:00:14 AM
			

			

				Looks like Digne off and that lad Acuna possibly his replacement. Not bad if we can get that done. It looks to be a really busy end of month for us. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on August 16, 2023, 12:10:37 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: VillaTim on August 15, 2023, 09:56:00 PM
We simply have to buy a striker to challenge Watkins. If Watkins got injured we'd be playing Duran or Davis which is farcical.

Davis wasn't given a squad number so I doubt he is in the squad plans...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 16, 2023, 12:13:01 AM
			

			

				This is in one of the articles about Acuña 

"In order to lower the fee, it’s said Monchi could offer Diego Carlos on loan as part of the deal for Acuña. The report adds the Brazilian, who joined Aston Villa from Sevilla in 2022, is not included in Emery’s plans."
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 16, 2023, 12:17:56 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 16, 2023, 12:13:01 AM
This is in one of the articles about Acuña 

"In order to lower the fee, it’s said Monchi could offer Diego Carlos on loan as part of the deal for Acuña. The report adds the Brazilian, who joined Aston Villa from Sevilla in 2022, is not included in Emery’s plans."

Which would be insane with Mings being injured, surely bollocks unless we're in for another CB. Then it's just another person to add to the 'get up to speed' list.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 16, 2023, 12:32:32 AM
			

			

				I've never been a big fan of Digne so I won't be particularly concerned about him leaving (apart form the need to get another player up to Emery's ways) but I have never doubted his effort, I just don't think he is good enough going forward, like Cash.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 16, 2023, 12:35:53 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on August 16, 2023, 12:17:56 AM
Quote from: AV84 on August 16, 2023, 12:13:01 AM
This is in one of the articles about Acuña 

"In order to lower the fee, it’s said Monchi could offer Diego Carlos on loan as part of the deal for Acuña. The report adds the Brazilian, who joined Aston Villa from Sevilla in 2022, is not included in Emery’s plans."

Which would be insane with Mings being injured, surely bollocks unless we're in for another CB. Then it's just another person to add to the 'get up to speed' list.

The report they're referencing was in Marca, which I think is somewhat reputable, but even still, as you say, it makes no sense.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Matt C on August 16, 2023, 12:35:58 AM
			

			

				Digne has been fine overall I think, not bad but not amazing either and if as reported he’s one of biggest earners, that’s not a great model so I can understand them wanting to move him on. He’s not looked entirely comfortable in Emery’s system either. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 16, 2023, 02:53:19 AM
			

			

				Wont miss Digne if he goes, he was a strange signing and has never looked anything better than meh. Doesn't suit Emery's system either. Big wages, and good for FFP to shift him out.

Acuna is a good and versatile player more in the mould of Moreno, so a better option.

Carlos going would be a strange one, but again Emery clearly doesn't rate him. We would certainly have to replace him if he did go.

Surprised we haven't targeted a right back, not a fan of Cash.

Zaniolo looks like a talent.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on August 16, 2023, 07:00:51 AM
			

			

				Yes, no RB is strange, after Cash performance on Saturday you would think it’s a priority.
Not a position where you can rely on Konsa or Chambers , we need a right back.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villafirst on August 16, 2023, 07:21:28 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ChicagoLion on August 16, 2023, 07:00:51 AM
Yes, no RB is strange, after Cash performance on Saturday you would think it’s a priority.
Not a position where you can rely on Konsa or Chambers , we need a right back.

I find it crazy that Ashley was let go .....he was a top performer last season and easily good enough for another year. What if Cash gets injured?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on August 16, 2023, 07:33:27 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Villafirst on August 16, 2023, 07:21:28 AM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on August 16, 2023, 07:00:51 AM
Yes, no RB is strange, after Cash performance on Saturday you would think it’s a priority.
Not a position where you can rely on Konsa or Chambers , we need a right back.

I find it crazy that Ashley was let go .....he was a top performer last season and easily good enough for another year. What if Cash gets injured?
I agree, without replacing him it’s a bit strange.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: London Villan on August 16, 2023, 08:35:49 AM
			

			

				Not really anything new - just confirmation that Digne has to find a home first before Acuna can be bought.


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 16, 2023, 08:38:04 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: London Villan on August 16, 2023, 08:35:49 AM
Not really anything new - just confirmation that Digne has to find a home first before Acuna can be bought.

For some reason Digne has quite a repuation/pedigree. He'll get a move no problem. 

I liked what I saw from Moreno towards the end of last season, the sooner he's back the better.

Still worry we're lacking a 'proper' RB to cover/challenge Cash
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: placeforparks on August 16, 2023, 08:38:10 AM
			

			

				man city have accepted an offer from saudi for laporte. 

would have expected unai to be all over him.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on August 16, 2023, 08:39:48 AM
			

			

				Can count out Laporte as a centre back option, they’ve agreed a fee with a Saudi club…sell Mahrez and Laporte for what they pay for Gvardiol, another club that must think it’s Christmas having Saudi to offload to
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on August 16, 2023, 08:44:16 AM
			

			

				Come on Saudi Arabia, don’t you want any of our unwanted players for vastly inflated prices?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on August 16, 2023, 09:19:52 AM
			

			

				I’m not sure generally speaking they’re paying inflated fees are they? They’re turning players heads with obscene wages, getting them to pressure their clubs for moves. There are exceptions, but most of the fees have looked low end to me.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: jwarry on August 16, 2023, 09:44:27 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ChicagoLion on August 16, 2023, 07:00:51 AM
Yes, no RB is strange, after Cash performance on Saturday you would think it’s a priority.
Not a position where you can rely on Konsa or Chambers , we need a right back.

I suspect Unai thinks the opposite but the problem is he doesn’t have confidence in Digne to give him what he wants from left-back when Konsa or Chambers act as the RB come CH.  Which is why he wants a new LB
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 16, 2023, 09:47:10 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 16, 2023, 09:19:52 AM
I’m not sure generally speaking they’re paying inflated fees are they? They’re turning players heads with obscene wages, getting them to pressure their clubs for moves. There are exceptions, but most of the fees have looked low end to me.

I was amazed they got St Maximiniminiman from Newcastle so cheaply.

Firsty, amazed Newcastle let him go for that. Second, equally amazed they didn't use it to engage in some covertly-funding-Newcastle shenanigans.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on August 16, 2023, 09:47:28 AM
			

			

				Surely there has to be a risk of Chelsea going bust? Money they have paid for Caicedo and Lavia is just insane really and reeks of desperation. Great to see likes of Chelsea and Liverpool being utterly ripped off but where does all this end. Hopefully Chelsea miss out on CL football again, the more seasons they are outside the CL will hopefully bring their day of reckoning closer.

The Saudi money is really having an impact on the PL too. Laporte for example should easily have another 3-4 seasons of top Euro club football left in him. Giving all that and Id assume his international career up for a boatload of cash. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Duncan Shaw on August 16, 2023, 09:47:39 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: placeforparks on August 16, 2023, 08:38:10 AM
man city have accepted an offer from saudi for laporte. 

would have expected unai to be all over him.

Me too, but maybe the wages on offer are out of our league?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on August 16, 2023, 10:07:08 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: brontebilly on August 16, 2023, 09:47:28 AM
Surely there has to be a risk of Chelsea going bust? Money they have paid for Caicedo and Lavia is just insane really and reeks of desperation. Great to see likes of Chelsea and Liverpool being utterly ripped off but where does all this end. Hopefully Chelsea miss out on CL football again, the more seasons they are outside the CL will hopefully bring their day of reckoning closer.

The Saudi money is really having an impact on the PL too. Laporte for example should easily have another 3-4 seasons of top Euro club football left in him. Giving all that and Id assume his international career up for a boatload of cash. 

Chelsea have also sold pretty much their entire first team from last season too though!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on August 16, 2023, 10:08:21 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 16, 2023, 09:19:52 AM
I’m not sure generally speaking they’re paying inflated fees are they? They’re turning players heads with obscene wages, getting them to pressure their clubs for moves. There are exceptions, but most of the fees have looked low end to me.

A reported £90m for Neymar, but that might be the exception rather than the rule. If they come in for Digne or Coutinho they could easily afford their wages which backs up your point. 
I was all for letting Phil go but now with Buendia’s injury, even with Zaniolo, would it be worth keeping him?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SamTheMouse on August 16, 2023, 10:10:35 AM
			

			

				That's the thing isn't it. It's not that the transfer fees are high, but more that it's easier for clubs like Abu Dhabi FC to convince these players to move on when the Saudis are prepared to stump up massive wages.

And of course it's never the players they would want to keep, just the ones that are surplus to requirements. It's the perfect solution for them.

I suppose if Digne goes out there, we'll have benefited quite nicely from it too.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Yeltzer on August 16, 2023, 10:24:07 AM
			

			

				Other than that free kick at VP versus Man Utd, Digne has done sweet FA. The Saudi money is convenient and helpful to us to getting his wage off the books and ultimately help with FFP. I’d like to see Coutinho go too given his minimal impact. 

Strange to think how much money the Arabs are spunking up the wall
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on August 16, 2023, 10:36:27 AM
			

			

				Yep Digne and Coutinho out the door and off the wage bill to free up space would be great. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on August 16, 2023, 10:39:17 AM
			

			

				Nope keep Coutinho
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on August 16, 2023, 10:40:55 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 16, 2023, 10:39:17 AM
Nope keep Coutinho

It’s a Yep from me
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on August 16, 2023, 10:47:31 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 16, 2023, 09:47:10 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 16, 2023, 09:19:52 AM
I’m not sure generally speaking they’re paying inflated fees are they? They’re turning players heads with obscene wages, getting them to pressure their clubs for moves. There are exceptions, but most of the fees have looked low end to me.

I was amazed they got St Maximiniminiman from Newcastle so cheaply.

Firsty, amazed Newcastle let him go for that. Second, equally amazed they didn't use it to engage in some covertly-funding-Newcastle shenanigans.

It’s not the fees that are the issue, it’s the ease of moving players between same owned clubs…that deal went through in days which meant Newcastle had access to the fee very early in window.

I thought it was slightly light in terms of fee but again he is a player who is injured a lot
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RamboandBruno on August 16, 2023, 10:50:37 AM
			

			

				I think we should keep Coutinho for now and give him another chance, I still there is something there. There we’re definite signs pre season and some nice touches against Newcastle, albeit it was too late then. I can see him having an impact versus Everton. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on August 16, 2023, 11:07:02 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: VillaTim on August 16, 2023, 10:36:27 AM
Yep Digne and Coutinho out the door and off the wage bill to free up space would be great.

Yep. Me too.

I have never been a fan of Digne & Coutinho has been given more than enough chances after his three good games when he first joined...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on August 16, 2023, 11:30:41 AM
			

			

				Sell Digne - given Buendia's injury, keep Couts until January then re-assess.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on August 16, 2023, 11:34:54 AM
			

			

				I would rather we sell Bailey before we sell Coutinho. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on August 16, 2023, 11:39:24 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on August 16, 2023, 11:34:54 AM
I would rather we sell Bailey before we sell Coutinho.

How about we compromise & sell both? 😉
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on August 16, 2023, 11:43:57 AM
			

			

				Depends on whether Coutinho can stay fit. If he can, he'll be useful for us. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on August 16, 2023, 12:25:37 PM
			

			

				Nicolo Schira a reputable sports journalist in Italy claiming that Acuna has agreed a 2.5 year deal to 2026. Just need to hammer things out with Sevilla now. 

https://x.com/nicoschira/status/1691715445781311545?s=46
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on August 16, 2023, 12:29:03 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: RamboandBruno on August 16, 2023, 10:50:37 AM
I think we should keep Coutinho for now and give him another chance, I still there is something there. There we’re definite signs pre season and some nice touches against Newcastle, albeit it was too late then. I can see him having an impact versus Everton.

I think that's the issue with Coutinho, he comes on in garbage time and shows some nice touches. It teases plenty on here as to what he could be capable of, still only 31 etc. But do you have any faith in his ability to play 90 mins at a high level say 30 times this season? As our highest earner he should be easily capable of that. But the unfortunate reality, based on his career post Liverpool, is that he can't and won't. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on August 16, 2023, 12:34:52 PM
			

			

				It's a case of gradually building up his game time so that he can last longer and longer. He needs a good run of staying injury-free now. It's not happened yet for him but if he can, he can go on to have greater impact for us. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on August 16, 2023, 12:42:30 PM
			

			

				I would rather we just bit the bullet, got rid of him & used the game time he would get to help integrate Aaron Ramsey into the first team.

Not going to happen for obvious reasons, but I do not believe that A. Ramsey, or any other young player, possibly Omari Kellyman, could be any worse than Coutinho has been for the large majority of his time at Villa.

Thats just my personal feelings on the matter & I understand that not everybody will agree...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on August 16, 2023, 12:45:21 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 16, 2023, 12:25:37 PM
Nicolo Schira a reputable sports journalist in Italy claiming that Acuna has agreed a 2.5 year deal to 2026. Just need to hammer things out with Sevilla now. 

https://x.com/nicoschira/status/1691715445781311545?s=46

Seems an odd length for a contract given it's the summer?  He goes at Christmas then, a present for someone! 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on August 16, 2023, 12:50:20 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on August 16, 2023, 12:45:21 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 16, 2023, 12:25:37 PM
Nicolo Schira a reputable sports journalist in Italy claiming that Acuna has agreed a 2.5 year deal to 2026. Just need to hammer things out with Sevilla now. 

https://x.com/nicoschira/status/1691715445781311545?s=46

Seems an odd length for a contract given it's the summer?  He goes at Christmas then, a present for someone! 

It might be my mistake on the length. It said 2026 so it might be a full three years. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ads on August 16, 2023, 12:52:45 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 16, 2023, 12:25:37 PM
Nicolo Schira a reputable sports journalist in Italy claiming that Acuna has agreed a 2.5 year deal to 2026. Just need to hammer things out with Sevilla now. 

https://x.com/nicoschira/status/1691715445781311545?s=46

He's not reputable at all. Total fantasy account.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 16, 2023, 12:54:47 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on August 16, 2023, 12:45:21 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 16, 2023, 12:25:37 PM
Nicolo Schira a reputable sports journalist in Italy claiming that Acuna has agreed a 2.5 year deal to 2026. Just need to hammer things out with Sevilla now. 

https://x.com/nicoschira/status/1691715445781311545?s=46

Seems an odd length for a contract given it's the summer?  He goes at Christmas then, a present for someone! 

His grandchildren?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 16, 2023, 12:57:38 PM
			

			

				Sheffield United rumoured to have put in a 10M bid for Archer. We are not the only team putting cheeky low offers in for players.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on August 16, 2023, 01:03:01 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ads on August 16, 2023, 12:52:45 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 16, 2023, 12:25:37 PM
Nicolo Schira a reputable sports journalist in Italy claiming that Acuna has agreed a 2.5 year deal to 2026. Just need to hammer things out with Sevilla now. 

https://x.com/nicoschira/status/1691715445781311545?s=46

He's not reputable at all. Total fantasy account.

He’s got 300k followers and followed by other some football journalists. The account has done well if it’s fantasy. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 16, 2023, 01:04:21 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on August 16, 2023, 12:57:38 PM
Sheffield United rumoured to have put in a 10M bid for Archer. We are not the only team putting cheeky low offers in for players.

So they value him at less than half a 2020 Rhian Brewster. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on August 16, 2023, 01:04:39 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on August 16, 2023, 12:57:38 PM
Sheffield United rumoured to have put in a 10M bid for Archer. We are not the only team putting cheeky low offers in for players.

Didn't they spend double that on both no-hopers Brewester and McBurnie?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on August 16, 2023, 01:07:30 PM
			

			

				Sevilla president Pepe Castro has suggested that he’s had conversations with Monchi about Acuna, but no official bid has been made:

“We don’t have any written offer from Monchi or Aston Villa, they are just conversations. Acuña is a world champion with Argentina, European champion with Sevilla and has a price. When an offer arrives, we will study it and if it helps us to improve the team and be able to bring in young players with projection, it is our business model. We are going to return to that business model, young players with projection and capital gains. If Monchi calls me, for Sevilla I will do what I have to do and what is good for the club.”

I think given Mings injury, it could be good to have some quality leadership & organisational skills in the back four. 

This chap might just be able to provide that for us.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on August 16, 2023, 01:07:59 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 16, 2023, 01:04:21 PM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on August 16, 2023, 12:57:38 PM
Sheffield United rumoured to have put in a 10M bid for Archer. We are not the only team putting cheeky low offers in for players.

So they value him at less than half a 2020 Rhian Brewster. 

I know we’ve done well with the odd sale in the past few years but for Liverpool to con them out of £20m for Brewster was massively impressive. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on August 16, 2023, 01:08:41 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on August 16, 2023, 12:57:38 PM
Sheffield United rumoured to have put in a 10M bid for Archer. We are not the only team putting cheeky low offers in for players.

Its their right to lowball us with their opening bid. 

Its our right to laugh in their faces...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 16, 2023, 01:58:49 PM
			

			

				Ziyech is off to Galatasaray, likely Zaniolo's replacement
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dicedlam on August 16, 2023, 02:04:51 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: brontebilly on August 16, 2023, 12:29:03 PM
Quote from: RamboandBruno on August 16, 2023, 10:50:37 AM
I think we should keep Coutinho for now and give him another chance, I still there is something there. There we’re definite signs pre season and some nice touches against Newcastle, albeit it was too late then. I can see him having an impact versus Everton.

I think that's the issue with Coutinho, he comes on in garbage time and shows some nice touches. It teases plenty on here as to what he could be capable of, still only 31 etc. But do you have any faith in his ability to play 90 mins at a high level say 30 times this season? As our highest earner he should be easily capable of that. But the unfortunate reality, based on his career post Liverpool, is that he can't and won't. 

With the high intensity of the game these days and also the five sub rule, a lot of top teams select sides knowing certain players will only play more or less for sixty minutes. Arsenal for example us Martinelli very much this way before being replaced by Trossard. You will also see Newcastle do it this season with both Gordon and Harvey Barnes. Citeh with Foden and Grealish.

I don't see how we shouldn't be any different and use Coutinho in the same way. We should not only look to use him when we are chasing games. Coutinho for sixty and either Zaniola/Philogene coming on if we are chasing a game, or if the the game needs closing out bringing on the likes of Dendoncker.

Coutinho is our most skillful player and can change a game with a moment of magic. Let's use him to our best advantage.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 16, 2023, 02:05:32 PM
			

			

				Romano says Seville are in talks to sign a LB, so there's some kind of domino effect there, making Acuña to us seem more likely, I guess. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villafirst on August 16, 2023, 02:41:04 PM
			

			

				I presume Acuna will play tonight in the Super Cup against Man City? Be good to watch him in action.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 16, 2023, 02:47:12 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Villafirst on August 16, 2023, 02:41:04 PM
I presume Acuna will play tonight in the Super Cup against Man City? Be good to watch him in action.

Would that Cup tie him for Conference League?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villatillidie25 on August 16, 2023, 02:51:42 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on August 16, 2023, 02:47:12 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on August 16, 2023, 02:41:04 PM
I presume Acuna will play tonight in the Super Cup against Man City? Be good to watch him in action.

Would that Cup tie him for Conference League?

That would be harsh. 

on a similar note. if a player plays in the qualifiers/play-offs for ucl/uel or uecl, do they become cup-tied for any of those comps? i assume a uecl playoff cup ties you from the uecl but maybe not from playing in one of the other competitions (& vice versa)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ads on August 16, 2023, 02:53:20 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 16, 2023, 01:03:01 PM
Quote from: Ads on August 16, 2023, 12:52:45 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 16, 2023, 12:25:37 PM
Nicolo Schira a reputable sports journalist in Italy claiming that Acuna has agreed a 2.5 year deal to 2026. Just need to hammer things out with Sevilla now. 

https://x.com/nicoschira/status/1691715445781311545?s=46

He's not reputable at all. Total fantasy account.

He’s got 300k followers and followed by other some football journalists. The account has done well if it’s fantasy. 

He's a total fraud. Got into a conversation with a few journalists on there a few years back who were fed up of him. Entirely a blag account. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: murgsy on August 16, 2023, 03:04:20 PM
			

			

				Laporte gone to SA. Obscene salary
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Hookeysmith on August 16, 2023, 03:52:05 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: murgsy on August 16, 2023, 03:04:20 PM
Laporte gone to SA. Obscene salary

I thought he was destined for us - maybe even on loan - but hey ho
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Flamingo Lane on August 16, 2023, 04:21:11 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Villafirst on August 16, 2023, 02:41:04 PM
I presume Acuna will play tonight in the Super Cup against Man City? Be good to watch him in action.

Yes, though that would mean watching the match.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 16, 2023, 04:36:45 PM
			

			

				I'm wondering if we've almost exhausted our transfer list. With the exception of Youri Tielemans, every player we've signed has either played or been under the watchful eye of Emery or Mouchi. There can't be many left. I'm half expecting 40 year old Pepe Reina to be brought in as our goalkeeping number 2. Cover for Tyrone? Step forward 37 year old Raúl Albiol. Gerard Moreno is only 31. 

It seems Unai does like familiarity and looking at his 2021 Europa league winning team, age matured players. Even his bench was full of them. I might give him a call and dig out my boots. You win nothing with kids, eh Unnai!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ger Regan on August 16, 2023, 04:50:47 PM
			

			

				Not really sure the point you're trying to make tbh? Assuming Zaniolo joins then the average age of our summer signings to date will be 25, and 2 of the 4 will have already played for him.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 16, 2023, 05:07:19 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ger Regan on August 16, 2023, 04:50:47 PM
Not really sure the point you're trying to make tbh? Assuming Zaniolo joins then the average age of our summer signings to date will be 25, and 2 of the 4 will have already played for him.

Mouchi brought Zaniolo to Roma. Familiarity. The point Ger, actually there is no point, just an observation which surprised me is Emery likes older players. Talk of offering Marcos Acuña a 3 year contract to a very soon to be 32 year old would normally set off alarm bells. What I see from his Cup winning team is expect him to still be playing for us in 2-3 years time. It's not a quick fix, he likes older players.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 16, 2023, 05:09:24 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 16, 2023, 04:36:45 PM
I'm wondering if we've almost exhausted our transfer list. With the exception of Youri Tielemans, every player we've signed has either played or been under the watchful eye of Emery or Mouchi. There can't be many left. I'm half expecting 40 year old Pepe Reina to be brought in as our goalkeeping number 2. Cover for Tyrone? Step forward 37 year old Raúl Albiol. Gerard Moreno is only 31. 

It seems Unai does like familiarity and looking at his 2021 Europa league winning team, age matured players. Even his bench was full of them. I might give him a call and dig out my boots. You win nothing with kids, eh Unnai!

I was kind of wondering the same thing about Monchi. Everyone was hyping him up when he joined but so far it feels like they're just remembering people they've worked with before. Not to say that might not all work out spectacularly well, and it's possible we're still not attractive enough to attract players that don't have that pre existing relationship, but still, the process does feel slightly underwhelming after all the hype. But if it works it works. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villatillidie25 on August 16, 2023, 05:14:38 PM
			

			

				I suspect it'll take Monchi 6-12m to start putting his stamp on the team. The deals we have done this summer will have had little to nothing to do with him as they will have been in the works for months. I think they are more illustrative of the power Emery has at the club
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on August 16, 2023, 05:15:43 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 16, 2023, 12:25:37 PM
Nicolo Schira a reputable sports journalist in Italy claiming that Acuna has agreed a 2.5 year deal to 2026. Just need to hammer things out with Sevilla now. 

https://x.com/nicoschira/status/1691715445781311545?s=46
And now there is a tweet from Fabrazio that Digne is on his way to Al-Hilal. This is unlikely as we will be without a left back for Everton game? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: TheMalandro on August 16, 2023, 05:16:11 PM
			

			

				I think Acuña would be a great buy. He’s a great character. Tough and also a clever player.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 16, 2023, 05:26:23 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: olaftab on August 16, 2023, 05:15:43 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 16, 2023, 12:25:37 PM
Nicolo Schira a reputable sports journalist in Italy claiming that Acuna has agreed a 2.5 year deal to 2026. Just need to hammer things out with Sevilla now. 

https://x.com/nicoschira/status/1691715445781311545?s=46
And now there is a tweet from Fabrazio that Digne is on his way to Al-Hilal. This is unlikely as we will be without a left back for Everton game?

3 across the back? 😬
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ian. on August 16, 2023, 05:30:02 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: TheMalandro on August 16, 2023, 05:16:11 PM
I think Acuña would be a great buy. He’s a great character. Tough and also a clever player.


I agree. I thought he was so good in the World Cup, he really impressed me. With Mings out he can replace that bit of steal and leadership qualities as well.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: mrfuse on August 16, 2023, 05:31:10 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: olaftab on August 16, 2023, 05:15:43 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 16, 2023, 12:25:37 PM
Nicolo Schira a reputable sports journalist in Italy claiming that Acuna has agreed a 2.5 year deal to 2026. Just need to hammer things out with Sevilla now. 

https://x.com/nicoschira/status/1691715445781311545?s=46
And now there is a tweet from Fabrazio that Digne is on his way to Al-Hilal. This is unlikely as we will be without a left back for Everton game?

My take on "on his way" doesn't necessarily always mean literally travelling over at this precise moment. I would say if this is happening before Sunday Acuna will be in place if he hasn't done his ACL tonight. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Goldenballs on August 16, 2023, 05:47:36 PM
			

			

				Can he head a ball? Without Mings, it would be quite nice if someone else could have a go. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on August 16, 2023, 05:48:29 PM
			

			

				Great business if we can get Digne's salary off the books. Assume the transfer fee will be cheap but if we can get Acuña in on a lower wage/transfer fee, we might be better off. I only remember him in the group games where he seemed a bit of an agricultural footballer to be honest but people on here say he's decent, and a World Cup medal probably adds weight to that. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Small Rodent on August 16, 2023, 05:48:44 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Villatillidie25 on August 16, 2023, 05:14:38 PM
I suspect it'll take Monchi 6-12m to start putting his stamp on the team. 

6 to 12mill!! Is that all?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on August 16, 2023, 05:52:59 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 16, 2023, 01:07:59 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 16, 2023, 01:04:21 PM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on August 16, 2023, 12:57:38 PM
Sheffield United rumoured to have put in a 10M bid for Archer. We are not the only team putting cheeky low offers in for players.

So they value him at less than half a 2020 Rhian Brewster. 

I know we’ve done well with the odd sale in the past few years but for Liverpool to con them out of £20m for Brewster was massively impressive.

Just catching up. Also Jordan Ibe and Dominic Solanke. Thick end of £60m for those three.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on August 16, 2023, 05:55:31 PM
			

			

				On Acuna, for me he didn’t really catch the eye during the World Cup, that’s not to say he’s a bad player. Am I right in thinking he started the first couple of games on the bench then came into the first team when Scaloni tweaked it?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 16, 2023, 06:14:00 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on August 16, 2023, 05:55:31 PM
On Acuna, for me he didn’t really catch the eye during the World Cup, that’s not to say he’s a bad player. Am I right in thinking he started the first couple of games on the bench then came into the first team when Scaloni tweaked it?

Came off the bench in the defeat against Saudi Arabia; started in the next game in the victory against Mexico; started against Poland though subbed on a yellow card; started against Australia and subbed; started against Holland and again subbed on a yellow; missed the Croatia game (injury?) not on bench; on the bench but came on as Argentina humiliated France. Got a yellow card and a World Cup winners medal.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 16, 2023, 06:16:52 PM
			

			

				Is it fair to assume Emery is happy with Cash at RB, if he's now twice replaced Digne at LB, but has made no moves to bring in a RB? 

Or is it a case that none of his preferred options are available so we're sticking with Cash. 

Or.... is he going to go for 3 at the back and Cash becomes irrelevant? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on August 16, 2023, 06:17:25 PM
			

			

				Gets a few bookings then. Not exactly blessed with looks like some of our other players. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 16, 2023, 06:35:22 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 16, 2023, 12:25:37 PM
Nicolo Schira a reputable sports journalist in Italy claiming that Acuna has agreed a 2.5 year deal to 2026. Just need to hammer things out with Sevilla now. 

https://x.com/nicoschira/status/1691715445781311545?s=46

Fucking hell, that’s ridiculous. 2026 must be at least ten years away.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ads on August 16, 2023, 06:37:57 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 16, 2023, 06:35:22 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 16, 2023, 12:25:37 PM
Nicolo Schira a reputable sports journalist in Italy claiming that Acuna has agreed a 2.5 year deal to 2026. Just need to hammer things out with Sevilla now. 

https://x.com/nicoschira/status/1691715445781311545?s=46

Fucking hell, that’s ridiculous. 2026 must be at least ten years away.


When you're making stuff up, it's easy to come out with bollocks. Absolutely nobody should heed the bullshit/palagrist merchant that runs that account. See the same for Ekrem Konur.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on August 16, 2023, 06:37:57 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Goldenballs on August 16, 2023, 05:47:36 PM
Can he head a ball? Without Mings, it would be quite nice if someone else could have a go.

That’s my worry too…defending corners thank god that Ollie has come on a bundle defending the near post but defending set pieces is gonna be scary unless Carlos, Torres step up….dont think Konsa has it in him
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: TheMalandro on August 16, 2023, 06:54:47 PM
			

			

				Starts tonight, so not so close!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 16, 2023, 07:09:01 PM
			

			

				Acuña had a look of Tevez about him, no neck, would go through you for a short cut, kind of thing.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 16, 2023, 07:18:24 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: TheMalandro on August 16, 2023, 05:16:11 PM
I think Acuña would be a great buy. He’s a great character. Tough and also a clever player.

You hit the nail on the head regarding his character. The Sportingistas loved his dedication and commitment. He'll fight until the end. A real 110%er.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on August 16, 2023, 07:27:35 PM
			

			

				Reminds me of Freddie Bouma. Just a more attacking version. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on August 16, 2023, 07:29:06 PM
			

			

				Acuna looks like he has a very low centre of gravity. Imagine he'd stay on his feet quite a lot
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on August 16, 2023, 07:42:30 PM
			

			

				The call him "Huevo" - "The Egg" cos he looks like a squashed brickie that you'd find in Willesden or Kilburn circa 1971-'89.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on August 16, 2023, 07:45:43 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Gareth on August 16, 2023, 06:37:57 PM
Quote from: Goldenballs on August 16, 2023, 05:47:36 PM
Can he head a ball? Without Mings, it would be quite nice if someone else could have a go.

That’s my worry too…defending corners thank god that Ollie has come on a bundle defending the near post but defending set pieces is gonna be scary unless Carlos, Torres step up….dont think Konsa has it in him

Zaniolo is 6'3", so should help with that too...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villafirst on August 16, 2023, 07:54:29 PM
			

			

				Acuna playing in the heat in Athens tonight...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on August 16, 2023, 07:58:28 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Villafirst on August 16, 2023, 07:54:29 PM
Acuna playing in the heat in Athens tonight...

Isn’t the game in Athens? I suppose he could get a lift back to Blighty with the Man City lot.

Edit. You’ve edited your comment to make me look insane now!! 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: mrfuse on August 16, 2023, 07:59:23 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: TheMalandro on August 16, 2023, 06:54:47 PM
Starts tonight, so not so close!

Fabrizio Romano has tweeted that we will try to complete the Marcos Acuña deal tomorrow. 

 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on August 16, 2023, 08:00:11 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on August 16, 2023, 07:42:30 PM
The call him "Huevo" - "The Egg" cos he looks like a squashed brickie that you'd find in Willesden or Kilburn circa 1971-'89.
Good brickies them paddy's were . Built the old Bull Ring 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bad English on August 16, 2023, 08:09:19 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on August 16, 2023, 07:42:30 PM
The call him "Huevo" - "The Egg" cos he looks like a squashed brickie that you'd find in Willesden or Kilburn circa 1971-'89.
Señor Huevo, very apt for Brum! 
I hope he has huevos como el caballo del Espartero too 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on August 16, 2023, 08:17:16 PM
			

			

				Mr Egg  ;D
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: mrfuse on August 16, 2023, 08:21:40 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bad English on August 16, 2023, 08:09:19 PM
Quote from: eamonn on August 16, 2023, 07:42:30 PM
The call him "Huevo" - "The Egg" cos he looks like a squashed brickie that you'd find in Willesden or Kilburn circa 1971-'89.
Señor Huevo, very apt for Brum! 
I hope he has huevos como el caballo del Espartero too 

I think the 9 yellows and 3 reds last season say he has.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 16, 2023, 08:26:05 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: VillaTim on August 16, 2023, 08:00:11 PM
Quote from: eamonn on August 16, 2023, 07:42:30 PM
The call him "Huevo" - "The Egg" cos he looks like a squashed brickie that you'd find in Willesden or Kilburn circa 1971-'89.
Good brickies them paddy's were . Built the old Bull Ring 

This
was
a great post.
Totally great.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Mister E on August 16, 2023, 08:36:33 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: mrfuse on August 16, 2023, 07:59:23 PM
Quote from: TheMalandro on August 16, 2023, 06:54:47 PM
Starts tonight, so not so close!
Fabrizio Romano has tweeted that we will try to complete the Marcos Acuña deal tomorrow. 
I wonder whether the haste to bring him in is something to do with Moreno's injury perhaps taking longer to heal. Whilst it'd be good to get digne's wages off the books, it does seem strange to see the speed of this deal.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 16, 2023, 08:39:29 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Mister E on August 16, 2023, 08:36:33 PM
Quote from: mrfuse on August 16, 2023, 07:59:23 PM
Quote from: TheMalandro on August 16, 2023, 06:54:47 PM
Starts tonight, so not so close!
Fabrizio Romano has tweeted that we will try to complete the Marcos Acuña deal tomorrow. 
I wonder whether the haste to bring him in is something to do with Moreno's injury perhaps taking longer to heal. Whilst it'd be good to get digne's wages off the books, it does seem strange to see the speed of this deal.

I think he saw Torres as a LB option, but now Mings is out, that's no longer the case.

I also don't think he's ever been entirely convinced by Digne.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: mrfuse on August 16, 2023, 08:39:35 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Mister E on August 16, 2023, 08:36:33 PM
Quote from: mrfuse on August 16, 2023, 07:59:23 PM
Quote from: TheMalandro on August 16, 2023, 06:54:47 PM
Starts tonight, so not so close!
Fabrizio Romano has tweeted that we will try to complete the Marcos Acuña deal tomorrow. 
I wonder whether the haste to bring him in is something to do with Moreno's injury perhaps taking longer to heal. Whilst it'd be good to get digne's wages off the books, it does seem strange to see the speed of this deal.

I would say its something to do with the Saudi interest and us getting decent money for a player that Emery isint particularly happy with. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: murgsy on August 16, 2023, 08:43:09 PM
			

			

				What a place that was for my student days..... 😜

Quote from: VillaTim on August 16, 2023, 08:17:16 PM
Mr Egg  ;D

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on August 16, 2023, 09:17:24 PM
			

			

				Lovely cross for Sevilla's goal. 

Just seen a quote saying he's one of the best left wing back's in the world. 

Suggests we won't try and swap sides in the asymmetric system, that with Moreno and Acuña, we'll always have an attacking left back and a defensive right side. So that might cement the idea of it either being Cash or Konsa at right back in Emery's mind. If that's the case, more reason to bring another centre back. 

McCoist just talked about Acuña, saying he's very clever at fouling without actually giving away a freekick. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on August 16, 2023, 09:22:16 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on August 16, 2023, 09:17:24 PM
Lovely cross for Sevilla's goal. 

Just seen a quote saying he's one of the best left wing back's in the world. 

Suggests we won't try and swap sides in the asymmetric system, that with Moreno and Acuña, we'll always have an attacking left back and a defensive right side. So that might cement the idea of it either being Cash or Konsa at right back in Emery's mind. If that's the case, more reason to bring another centre back. 

McCoist just talked about Acuña, saying he's very clever at fouling without actually giving away a freekick. 

Not sure I agree, I think it means we'll find a squad place for Chambers that might not have been there a week ago.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on August 16, 2023, 09:44:04 PM
			

			

				I hope not. Chambers is shit...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on August 16, 2023, 09:51:11 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on August 16, 2023, 09:17:24 PM
Lovely cross for Sevilla's goal. 

Just seen a quote saying he's one of the best left wing back's in the world. 

Suggests we won't try and swap sides in the asymmetric system, that with Moreno and Acuña, we'll always have an attacking left back and a defensive right side. So that might cement the idea of it either being Cash or Konsa at right back in Emery's mind. If that's the case, more reason to bring another centre back. 


But neither are good defensively at Right Back.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on August 16, 2023, 09:55:49 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Mister E on August 16, 2023, 08:36:33 PM
Quote from: mrfuse on August 16, 2023, 07:59:23 PM
Quote from: TheMalandro on August 16, 2023, 06:54:47 PM
Starts tonight, so not so close!
Fabrizio Romano has tweeted that we will try to complete the Marcos Acuña deal tomorrow. 
I wonder whether the haste to bring him in is something to do with Moreno's injury perhaps taking longer to heal. Whilst it'd be good to get digne's wages off the books, it does seem strange to see the speed of this deal.

If we want to buy him, why wait? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on August 16, 2023, 09:58:55 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: coreyfeldman on August 16, 2023, 09:55:49 PM
Quote from: Mister E on August 16, 2023, 08:36:33 PM
Quote from: mrfuse on August 16, 2023, 07:59:23 PM
Quote from: TheMalandro on August 16, 2023, 06:54:47 PM
Starts tonight, so not so close!
Fabrizio Romano has tweeted that we will try to complete the Marcos Acuña deal tomorrow. 
I wonder whether the haste to bring him in is something to do with Moreno's injury perhaps taking longer to heal. Whilst it'd be good to get digne's wages off the books, it does seem strange to see the speed of this deal.

If we want to buy him, why wait?

Guess he only comes if Digne goes…everything has to align
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Astnor on August 16, 2023, 10:17:35 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pablo_picasso on August 16, 2023, 09:44:04 PM
I hope not. Chambers is shit...
Much better for us having him as RB than Cash though.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on August 16, 2023, 10:30:56 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Astnor on August 16, 2023, 10:17:35 PM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on August 16, 2023, 09:44:04 PM
I hope not. Chambers is shit...
Much better for us having him as RB than Cash though.

🤨
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on August 16, 2023, 10:44:43 PM
			

			

				Acuna was brutal for the City goal 😎
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on August 16, 2023, 11:55:22 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: brontebilly on August 16, 2023, 10:44:43 PM
Acuna was brutal for the City goal 😎

Not sure how he was supposed to pick up 3 players at once. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 17, 2023, 12:34:05 AM
			

			

				https://x.com/fpldoublepinter/status/1691850352058925176?s=46&t=s4PUnd105bLdPWkz1Dmnlg

Read this guys tweets. Digne out of the uk, Saudi bound. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 17, 2023, 12:35:21 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 17, 2023, 12:34:05 AM
https://x.com/fpldoublepinter/status/1691850352058925176?s=46&t=s4PUnd105bLdPWkz1Dmnlg

Read this guys tweets. Digne out of the uk, Saudi bound.

He was in the training video the club posted today.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 17, 2023, 12:37:01 AM
			

			

				Plot thickens. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on August 17, 2023, 12:42:03 AM
			

			

				I wonder if all this gets done by Friday in time for our game on Sunday. We’d be fucked without a recognized LB and a broken left sided CB if Digne goes and Acuna doesn’t sign, or signs and can’t play. Even if it is against Everton. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 17, 2023, 12:45:55 AM
			

			

				Was just thinking the same, especially given Acuña was still playing for Seville tonight. 

I feel like Digne's been on his way out all summer, maybe even a deal has been done early on, and we've hung onto him for as long as we could to cover for Moreno. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on August 17, 2023, 12:54:35 AM
			

			

				While a risk, it wouldn’t surprise me if we allowed Acuna to play the Super Cup and then sign for us. Sevilla appear to be mad with us for agreeing terms with the player without agreeing a fee. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: KevinGage on August 17, 2023, 01:12:04 AM
			

			

				Digne out doesn't strike me as a must be. 

With Oh Emporor's injury there's a clear argument for less disruption in the back four. Not more of that shit. 

Acuna might be just dandy. But there's always a risk with a player like that adapting to English football. Digne is no risk. He's ready now. 

I quite liked the idea of Moreno (when fit) going off and Digne being subbed on. Similar quality level. What all high end clubs should aspire to. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on August 17, 2023, 05:05:25 AM
			

			

				Chance for Seb Revan to play? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 17, 2023, 05:51:43 AM
			

			

				As the only club ever to be found guilty of tapping up, this from Seville doesn’t look great:

“They talk to the players before the club, they reach agreements with the player before the club, they offer miseries to the club, but they deceive the player. Given that, it is very difficult.”
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 17, 2023, 07:38:18 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 17, 2023, 05:51:43 AM
As the only club ever to be found guilty of tapping up, this from Seville doesn’t look great:

“They talk to the players before the club, they reach agreements with the player before the club, they offer miseries to the club, but they deceive the player. Given that, it is very difficult.”

Time for Monchi to leave a horse's head in their bed.

I did think that we keep reaching agreements with players, before transfer has been agreed with the club.

For Zaniolo and now Acuña. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Olneythelonely on August 17, 2023, 08:11:57 AM
			

			

				Thinking about that though, when did they just stop caring about “tapping up”. Were rules ever really in place? Did they change? I seem to remember someone getting in trouble for it. 

Now every transfer seems to start with personal terms being agreed. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on August 17, 2023, 08:21:20 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Olneythelonely on August 17, 2023, 08:11:57 AM
Thinking about that though, when did they just stop caring about “tapping up”. Were rules ever really in place? Did they change? I seem to remember someone getting in trouble for it. 

Now every transfer seems to start with personal terms being agreed. 

I think there are two parts to it - mainly because in the most part, clubs are comfortable with the players talking to other clubs. The only issue was players speaking to other clubs without the permission of their current club. Now that the majority of clubs in football are set up as player factories to make money, they're pretty comfortable with their assets hawking themselves around. 

For those where that isn't the case (here for example), the network of advisors, agents and hangers-on is so wide that there will be someone who you can talk to close enough to know what's going on. I'd imagine that nobody from Villa has met *Acuna. But a friendly agent we know happens to be able to WhatsApp someone who knows someone and before long you know exactly what his terms to join us would be.

*in a non-playing-with capacity
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Olneythelonely on August 17, 2023, 08:27:32 AM
			

			

				That makes sense. Suppose a club would need to officially complain too. Which is difficult if everyone is doing it.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on August 17, 2023, 08:28:59 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on August 17, 2023, 08:21:20 AM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on August 17, 2023, 08:11:57 AM
Thinking about that though, when did they just stop caring about “tapping up”. Were rules ever really in place? Did they change? I seem to remember someone getting in trouble for it. 

Now every transfer seems to start with personal terms being agreed. 

I think there are two parts to it - mainly because in the most part, clubs are comfortable with the players talking to other clubs. The only issue was players speaking to other clubs without the permission of their current club. Now that the majority of clubs in football are set up as player factories to make money, they're pretty comfortable with their assets hawking themselves around. 

For those where that isn't the case (here for example), the network of advisors, agents and hangers-on is so wide that there will be someone who you can talk to close enough to know what's going on. I'd imagine that nobody from Villa has met *Acuna. But a friendly agent we know happens to be able to WhatsApp someone who knows someone and before long you know exactly what his terms to join us would be.

*in a non-playing-with capacity

I was listening to 5 live the other week on the way home in the car talking about Kane, and a very recently retired player I forget the name of was saying that no club bids for players now without assurances from the players side they are happy with the deal on the table. Liverpool appear to be the only club forgetting this step at the moment. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on August 17, 2023, 09:34:48 AM
			

			

				I think Digne gets a bad rap personally. I think he’s a good player.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dick Edwards on August 17, 2023, 09:49:48 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 17, 2023, 09:34:48 AM
I think Digne gets a bad rap personally. I think he’s a good player.

I'm with you here. Maybe not worthy of being our highest paid player, nor as good as Moreno but I am comfortable with him being a valuable player in our squad.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Matt G on August 17, 2023, 09:54:27 AM
			

			

				Digne was an upgrade on Targett, no question, however not the vast improvement that you see compared to Moreno.  Yet for the money paid and wages spent it should be the other way round.  He's guilty of no more than Gerrard overspending on him and accepting a wage way above what his talent would have got in the market. 
If we can move him off the wage bill and come in with a similar fee that we paid then it makes sense, especially to replace with a big character, a fighter and a winner, because we have never had enough of those.  We've always been a bit nice!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on August 17, 2023, 09:58:48 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Matt G on August 17, 2023, 09:54:27 AM
Digne was an upgrade on Targett, no question, however not the vast improvement that you see compared to Moreno.  Yet for the money paid and wages spent it should be the other way round.  He's guilty of no more than Gerrard overspending on him and accepting a wage way above what his talent would have got in the market. 
If we can move him off the wage bill and come in with a similar fee that we paid then it makes sense, especially to replace with a big character, a fighter and a winner, because we have never had enough of those.  We've always been a bit nice!

I’m not sure Digne was an upgrade on Target in fact I’d call it all square
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: London Villan on August 17, 2023, 10:01:39 AM
			

			

				I think Gerrard knew he was available and it made sense to upgrade Targett. 

In other news, Acuna deal is agreed and medical booked.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on August 17, 2023, 10:04:46 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: john e on August 17, 2023, 09:58:48 AM
Quote from: Matt G on August 17, 2023, 09:54:27 AM
Digne was an upgrade on Targett, no question, however not the vast improvement that you see compared to Moreno.  Yet for the money paid and wages spent it should be the other way round.  He's guilty of no more than Gerrard overspending on him and accepting a wage way above what his talent would have got in the market. 
If we can move him off the wage bill and come in with a similar fee that we paid then it makes sense, especially to replace with a big character, a fighter and a winner, because we have never had enough of those.  We've always been a bit nice!

I’m not sure Digne was an upgrade on Target in fact I’d call it all square

I don't think it's a fair comparison. Targett has had one spell in his career of looking really good - when he had Grealish in front of him drawing the attention of half the opposing team, making both attacking and defending for the full-back behind him much easier. 

Give a left-back not much defending to do and a whole side of a pitch to play in, and anyone would probably look half-decent. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villatillidie25 on August 17, 2023, 10:08:19 AM
			

			

				i'd agree. Is there a better "reserve" left back in the league? The question is solely financial imo as he offers something different to Moreno, is experienced and definitely isn't useless. Maybe doesn't just doesn't stack up being one of our highest paid players
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on August 17, 2023, 10:11:03 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dick Edwards on August 17, 2023, 09:49:48 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 17, 2023, 09:34:48 AM
I think Digne gets a bad rap personally. I think he’s a good player.

I'm with you here. Maybe not worthy of being our highest paid player, nor as good as Moreno but I am comfortable with him being a valuable player in our squad.

Same here. The other advantage is that with Mings out, Digne is at least experienced with the rest of the defence and the Premier League in general. Not sure what the point of swapping a 30 year old back up for a 31 year old is, Acuna didn't look like much of an upgrade based on last night anyway.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on August 17, 2023, 10:11:51 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Villatillidie25 on August 17, 2023, 10:08:19 AM
i'd agree. Is there a better "reserve" left back in the league? The question is solely financial imo as he offers something different to Moreno, is experienced and definitely isn't useless. Maybe doesn't just doesn't stack up being one of our highest paid players

Digne and Moreno are absolutely fine for our left-back needs. 

But if the rumours that we're going to get our money back for Digne and spend less on Acuna are true, Digne and Acuna are also absolutely fine. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on August 17, 2023, 10:17:28 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on August 17, 2023, 10:11:51 AM
Quote from: Villatillidie25 on August 17, 2023, 10:08:19 AM
i'd agree. Is there a better "reserve" left back in the league? The question is solely financial imo as he offers something different to Moreno, is experienced and definitely isn't useless. Maybe doesn't just doesn't stack up being one of our highest paid players

Digne and Moreno are absolutely fine for our left-back needs. 

But if the rumours that we're going to get our money back for Digne and spend less on Acuna are true, Digne and Acuna are also absolutely fine. 

Just seems a bit of a risk. I wouldn't imagine it will make that much difference financially, and at least we know what we get with Digne. Meanwhile right back continues to look a bit of a problem area, and we've still no proper back up for Watkins.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: not3bad on August 17, 2023, 10:22:38 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: London Villan on August 17, 2023, 10:01:39 AM
I think Gerrard knew he was available and it made sense to upgrade Targett. 

In other news, Acuna deal is agreed and medical booked.

Time for his own post?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on August 17, 2023, 10:28:06 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on August 17, 2023, 10:17:28 AM
Quote from: Dave on August 17, 2023, 10:11:51 AM
Quote from: Villatillidie25 on August 17, 2023, 10:08:19 AM
i'd agree. Is there a better "reserve" left back in the league? The question is solely financial imo as he offers something different to Moreno, is experienced and definitely isn't useless. Maybe doesn't just doesn't stack up being one of our highest paid players

Digne and Moreno are absolutely fine for our left-back needs. 

But if the rumours that we're going to get our money back for Digne and spend less on Acuna are true, Digne and Acuna are also absolutely fine. 

Just seems a bit of a risk. I wouldn't imagine it will make that much difference financially, and at least we know what we get with Digne. Meanwhile right back continues to look a bit of a problem area, and we've still no proper back up for Watkins.

Sure. If our choice turns out to be Acuna OR those other two things, then obviously those other things are far more important. But as long as it's as-well-as, I've got no issue with it. 

Acuna also does stuff as well that Digne doesn't. He's one of those aggressive, niggly types that we always say we're missing whereas Digne seems to be on a mission to prove the Gallic insouciance stereotype. Acuna's also more comfortable dropping into the middle of the pitch, assuming the idea is eventually to have an equivalent attacking right-hand side to last years left-hand side which we can switch up depending on the opposition / match.

Of course it's not more important than the two positions that you mention, but it's still fine. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 17, 2023, 10:45:33 AM
			

			

				I too have no issue with Moreno and Digne as the left back options. Digne probably hasn't been quite as good as i thought he would (i always thought he looked a cracking player at Everton), but he's fine. As pointed out we have more pressing areas to improve. 

What i would say is, if Digne is pushing to move as you would expect if he's second choice here and he's being offered a ton of cash in Saudi, then i'm quite sure Acuna will be an excellent replacement. In addition, if we come out better off transfer fee and wages wise then even better, i suspect Acuna might be a slightly better option for us as he seems a tougher player and we're lacking at bit in that regard.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on August 17, 2023, 10:50:42 AM
			

			

				Think with Digne, in hindsight we overpaid - especially on wages - but at the time it felt like he was a player who Manc Utd had been sniffing around not long before, and was generally considered a top-half-maybe-top-quarter left back.  So I don't think £25m seemed totally unreasonable at the time, felt more like we'd taken advantage of some chaos at Everton & got ourselves a player for less than we'd have expected to pay 6 months earlier (or 6 months later, for that matter).

Personally I think he's a decent enough player, an upgrade on Matty Targett - although maybe not by the amount you'd hope - and would slot in as first choice LB at half the clubs in the division, maybe more.  As others have said, think in Moreno + Digne we've got one of the strongest 1st & 2nd choice left back pairs in the league.  Although that would also be the case with Moreno + Acuna.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on August 17, 2023, 10:53:28 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Matt G on August 17, 2023, 09:54:27 AM
Digne was an upgrade on Targett, no question, however not the vast improvement that you see compared to Moreno.  Yet for the money paid and wages spent it should be the other way round.  He's guilty of no more than Gerrard overspending on him and accepting a wage way above what his talent would have got in the market. 
If we can move him off the wage bill and come in with a similar fee that we paid then it makes sense, especially to replace with a big character, a fighter and a winner, because we have never had enough of those.  We've always been a bit nice!

We will have signed three left backs over 30 in less than 18 months? Very strange recruitment. Moreno, to be fair, looked absolute quality once he settled in last season. Digne never did, he was ok. I fear Acuna will struggle with the pace of the league. A younger version of Moreno with similar characteristics should have been the play. 

Bit worried about our recruitment this summer generally, we are injuries to Cash, Martinez and Watkins away from chaos. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 17, 2023, 10:55:26 AM
			

			

				I liked Digne originally, but have slowly come to terms with accepting that LeeB was probably right about him all along.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on August 17, 2023, 10:58:31 AM
			

			

				I dont find the left back signings strange recruitment. One was signed by a former manager and the new manager didn't rate him and has bought his own in. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 17, 2023, 11:01:20 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Matt G on August 17, 2023, 09:54:27 AM
Digne was an upgrade on Targett, no question, however not the vast improvement that you see compared to Moreno.  Yet for the money paid and wages spent it should be the other way round.  He's guilty of no more than Gerrard overspending on him and accepting a wage way above what his talent would have got in the market. 
If we can move him off the wage bill and come in with a similar fee that we paid then it makes sense, especially to replace with a big character, a fighter and a winner, because we have never had enough of those.  We've always been a bit nice!

It was the market that delivered him the wage we're paying him.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 17, 2023, 11:04:38 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: brontebilly on August 17, 2023, 10:53:28 AM
Quote from: Matt G on August 17, 2023, 09:54:27 AM
Digne was an upgrade on Targett, no question, however not the vast improvement that you see compared to Moreno.  Yet for the money paid and wages spent it should be the other way round.  He's guilty of no more than Gerrard overspending on him and accepting a wage way above what his talent would have got in the market. 
If we can move him off the wage bill and come in with a similar fee that we paid then it makes sense, especially to replace with a big character, a fighter and a winner, because we have never had enough of those.  We've always been a bit nice!

Bit worried about our recruitment this summer generally, we are injuries to Cash, Martinez and Watkins away from chaos.

On the one hand, the 3 players we've signed are very impressive and are players that should keep the momentum going, possibly even push us further. On the other hand there are still gaping holes as you point out. Got nothing against Olsen personally but i think he's the worst keeper i've seen at the Villa in 35 years. Yes, we have the best one i've seen in that time also but if he gets injured we're fucked. No natural right back other than Cash, and we let Young go. And yes, after watching pre-season i'd agree that if Watkins is out we've got a massive hole there too. So a real mixed bag so far, although there is still time of course.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on August 17, 2023, 11:14:16 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on August 17, 2023, 10:11:03 AM
Quote from: Dick Edwards on August 17, 2023, 09:49:48 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 17, 2023, 09:34:48 AM
I think Digne gets a bad rap personally. I think he’s a good player.

I'm with you here. Maybe not worthy of being our highest paid player, nor as good as Moreno but I am comfortable with him being a valuable player in our squad.

Same here. The other advantage is that with Mings out, Digne is at least experienced with the rest of the defence and the Premier League in general. Not sure what the point of swapping a 30 year old back up for a 31 year old is, Acuna didn't look like much of an upgrade based on last night anyway.
Except that defence he played in restricted mancity to 1 goal and almost won the cup for his team.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on August 17, 2023, 11:16:40 AM
			

			

				And he's won a shit load in his career, including the wc and was considered the best left back in the league last season?

Have a word with yourself 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on August 17, 2023, 11:19:50 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on August 17, 2023, 11:04:38 AM
Quote from: brontebilly on August 17, 2023, 10:53:28 AM
Quote from: Matt G on August 17, 2023, 09:54:27 AM
Digne was an upgrade on Targett, no question, however not the vast improvement that you see compared to Moreno.  Yet for the money paid and wages spent it should be the other way round.  He's guilty of no more than Gerrard overspending on him and accepting a wage way above what his talent would have got in the market. 
If we can move him off the wage bill and come in with a similar fee that we paid then it makes sense, especially to replace with a big character, a fighter and a winner, because we have never had enough of those.  We've always been a bit nice!

Bit worried about our recruitment this summer generally, we are injuries to Cash, Martinez and Watkins away from chaos.

On the one hand, the 3 players we've signed are very impressive and are players that should keep the momentum going, possibly even push us further. On the other hand there are still gaping holes as you point out. Got nothing against Olsen personally but i think he's the worst keeper i've seen at the Villa in 35 years. Yes, we have the best one i've seen in that time also but if he gets injured we're fucked. No natural right back other than Cash, and we let Young go. And yes, after watching pre-season i'd agree that if Watkins is out we've got a massive hole there too. So a real mixed bag so far, although there is still time of course.

If we hadn't had the injuries to Buendia and Mings, we'd be another forward and possible a right back option away from a very good window. But injured they are, and it's happened early enough in August so the club to need to get on with it.

Zaniolo worries me, he looks like a permanent injury waiting to happen, and has a few "issues" to say the least.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Pat Mustard on August 17, 2023, 11:52:33 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on August 17, 2023, 11:04:38 AM
Quote from: brontebilly on August 17, 2023, 10:53:28 AM
Quote from: Matt G on August 17, 2023, 09:54:27 AM
Digne was an upgrade on Targett, no question, however not the vast improvement that you see compared to Moreno.  Yet for the money paid and wages spent it should be the other way round.  He's guilty of no more than Gerrard overspending on him and accepting a wage way above what his talent would have got in the market. 
If we can move him off the wage bill and come in with a similar fee that we paid then it makes sense, especially to replace with a big character, a fighter and a winner, because we have never had enough of those.  We've always been a bit nice!

Bit worried about our recruitment this summer generally, we are injuries to Cash, Martinez and Watkins away from chaos.

On the one hand, the 3 players we've signed are very impressive and are players that should keep the momentum going, possibly even push us further. On the other hand there are still gaping holes as you point out. Got nothing against Olsen personally but i think he's the worst keeper i've seen at the Villa in 35 years. Yes, we have the best one i've seen in that time also but if he gets injured we're fucked. No natural right back other than Cash, and we let Young go. And yes, after watching pre-season i'd agree that if Watkins is out we've got a massive hole there too. So a real mixed bag so far, although there is still time of course.

Did you not see Kalinic a few years back?  He made Robin Olsen look like Lev Yashin.  Not to mention Mark Bunn, Orjan Nyland, late-era Brad Guzan and that Spanish guy who played one game - Olsen might not be great, but he's not even in the bottom 3 keepers we've had in the last 10 years
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on August 17, 2023, 11:57:03 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Pat Mustard on August 17, 2023, 11:52:33 AM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on August 17, 2023, 11:04:38 AM
Quote from: brontebilly on August 17, 2023, 10:53:28 AM
Quote from: Matt G on August 17, 2023, 09:54:27 AM
Digne was an upgrade on Targett, no question, however not the vast improvement that you see compared to Moreno.  Yet for the money paid and wages spent it should be the other way round.  He's guilty of no more than Gerrard overspending on him and accepting a wage way above what his talent would have got in the market. 
If we can move him off the wage bill and come in with a similar fee that we paid then it makes sense, especially to replace with a big character, a fighter and a winner, because we have never had enough of those.  We've always been a bit nice!

Bit worried about our recruitment this summer generally, we are injuries to Cash, Martinez and Watkins away from chaos.

On the one hand, the 3 players we've signed are very impressive and are players that should keep the momentum going, possibly even push us further. On the other hand there are still gaping holes as you point out. Got nothing against Olsen personally but i think he's the worst keeper i've seen at the Villa in 35 years. Yes, we have the best one i've seen in that time also but if he gets injured we're fucked. No natural right back other than Cash, and we let Young go. And yes, after watching pre-season i'd agree that if Watkins is out we've got a massive hole there too. So a real mixed bag so far, although there is still time of course.

Did you not see Kalinic a few years back?  He made Robin Olsen look like Lev Yashin.  Not to mention Mark Bunn, Orjan Nyland, late-era Brad Guzan and that Spanish guy who played one game - Olsen might not be great, but he's not even in the bottom 3 keepers we've had in the last 10 years

I’m with the Griswold 

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: johnc on August 17, 2023, 11:59:42 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Pat Mustard on August 17, 2023, 11:52:33 AM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on August 17, 2023, 11:04:38 AM
Quote from: brontebilly on August 17, 2023, 10:53:28 AM
Quote from: Matt G on August 17, 2023, 09:54:27 AM
Digne was an upgrade on Targett, no question, however not the vast improvement that you see compared to Moreno.  Yet for the money paid and wages spent it should be the other way round.  He's guilty of no more than Gerrard overspending on him and accepting a wage way above what his talent would have got in the market. 
If we can move him off the wage bill and come in with a similar fee that we paid then it makes sense, especially to replace with a big character, a fighter and a winner, because we have never had enough of those.  We've always been a bit nice!

Bit worried about our recruitment this summer generally, we are injuries to Cash, Martinez and Watkins away from chaos.

On the one hand, the 3 players we've signed are very impressive and are players that should keep the momentum going, possibly even push us further. On the other hand there are still gaping holes as you point out. Got nothing against Olsen personally but i think he's the worst keeper i've seen at the Villa in 35 years. Yes, we have the best one i've seen in that time also but if he gets injured we're fucked. No natural right back other than Cash, and we let Young go. And yes, after watching pre-season i'd agree that if Watkins is out we've got a massive hole there too. So a real mixed bag so far, although there is still time of course.

Did you not see Kalinic a few years back?  He made Robin Olsen look like Lev Yashin.  Not to mention Mark Bunn, Orjan Nyland, late-era Brad Guzan and that Spanish guy who played one game - Olsen might not be great, but he's not even in the bottom 3 keepers we've had in the last 10 years
I think we can file this under "damning with faint praise"  
The goalie I least enjoyed watching was Mervyn Day. His nerves were shot after 4 years behind the Orient defence
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on August 17, 2023, 12:00:02 PM
			

			

				Me too. Olsen is terrible. Watkins, Cash or Emi M get any sort of long term injury, we're up the creek. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 17, 2023, 12:05:16 PM
			

			

				Its all about opinions. From what people said on here Kalinic was extremely shit but i don't think i ever saw him play. As for Guzan, twat that he was, he was very good early days standing in for Freidel (and is the kind of level we could do with now as back up), although he was awful in the relegation season. Nyland and Bunn certainly not as bad for me, Nyland did actually have some decent games for us. Enkelmann was a bad one, always put the shits up me even before the Blues debacle. 

But anyway, aside from the possibility of Kalinic, he's the worst as far as i'm concerned.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: steamer on August 17, 2023, 12:06:51 PM
			

			

				Who was the guy that had a "pain" in his arse ?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on August 17, 2023, 12:10:14 PM
			

			

				I think comparing crap keepers isnt necessarily comparing apples with apples….Olsen feels worse because of difference in ability and influence if Martinez is out….with the likes of Nyland and Kalinic you were generally replacing average with average.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 17, 2023, 12:17:20 PM
			

			

				Maybe but Olsen is ultimately crap because he keeps giving the ball back to the opposition, and he's like a statue not coming off his line at times and just standing watching the ball flying past him into the net with pretty much no resistance.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on August 17, 2023, 12:23:15 PM
			

			

				Absolutely his kicking is beyond dire - he’s a decent shot stopper but nowhere near Martinez standard who is exceptional.

My absolute scary scenario is we don’t replace Olsen or back up Ollie and come the Liverpool game we have a day like the Heaton / Wesley at Burnley.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on August 17, 2023, 12:43:07 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on August 17, 2023, 11:19:50 AM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on August 17, 2023, 11:04:38 AM
Quote from: brontebilly on August 17, 2023, 10:53:28 AM
Quote from: Matt G on August 17, 2023, 09:54:27 AM
Digne was an upgrade on Targett, no question, however not the vast improvement that you see compared to Moreno.  Yet for the money paid and wages spent it should be the other way round.  He's guilty of no more than Gerrard overspending on him and accepting a wage way above what his talent would have got in the market. 
If we can move him off the wage bill and come in with a similar fee that we paid then it makes sense, especially to replace with a big character, a fighter and a winner, because we have never had enough of those.  We've always been a bit nice!

Bit worried about our recruitment this summer generally, we are injuries to Cash, Martinez and Watkins away from chaos.

On the one hand, the 3 players we've signed are very impressive and are players that should keep the momentum going, possibly even push us further. On the other hand there are still gaping holes as you point out. Got nothing against Olsen personally but i think he's the worst keeper i've seen at the Villa in 35 years. Yes, we have the best one i've seen in that time also but if he gets injured we're fucked. No natural right back other than Cash, and we let Young go. And yes, after watching pre-season i'd agree that if Watkins is out we've got a massive hole there too. So a real mixed bag so far, although there is still time of course.

If we hadn't had the injuries to Buendia and Mings, we'd be another forward and possible a right back option away from a very good window. But injured they are, and it's happened early enough in August so the club to need to get on with it.

Zaniolo worries me, he looks like a permanent injury waiting to happen, and has a few "issues" to say the least.
To be honest I'm also worried about Carlos and Torres.  I've seen nothing from Carlos to suggest he will get back to being a top centre back and he's theoretically been fit for about 4 months now.  And whilst Torres undoubtedly has superb ability on the ball he is lightweight with very poor defensive and aerial stats.  Whether he can adapt to the PL remains to be seen, but if he can you would have thought it would be ideally next to a Mings style brick-shithouse and I don't think Konsa or Carlos are that man.  Unless Carlos becomes very good very quickly, I think we're going to be conceding a lot of goals from set pieces.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on August 17, 2023, 12:56:31 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: steamer on August 17, 2023, 12:06:51 PM
Who was the guy that had a "pain" in his arse ?

Stefano Postma 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on August 17, 2023, 01:10:28 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on August 17, 2023, 12:43:07 PM
Quote from: Risso on August 17, 2023, 11:19:50 AM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on August 17, 2023, 11:04:38 AM
Quote from: brontebilly on August 17, 2023, 10:53:28 AM
Quote from: Matt G on August 17, 2023, 09:54:27 AM
Digne was an upgrade on Targett, no question, however not the vast improvement that you see compared to Moreno.  Yet for the money paid and wages spent it should be the other way round.  He's guilty of no more than Gerrard overspending on him and accepting a wage way above what his talent would have got in the market. 
If we can move him off the wage bill and come in with a similar fee that we paid then it makes sense, especially to replace with a big character, a fighter and a winner, because we have never had enough of those.  We've always been a bit nice!

Bit worried about our recruitment this summer generally, we are injuries to Cash, Martinez and Watkins away from chaos.

On the one hand, the 3 players we've signed are very impressive and are players that should keep the momentum going, possibly even push us further. On the other hand there are still gaping holes as you point out. Got nothing against Olsen personally but i think he's the worst keeper i've seen at the Villa in 35 years. Yes, we have the best one i've seen in that time also but if he gets injured we're fucked. No natural right back other than Cash, and we let Young go. And yes, after watching pre-season i'd agree that if Watkins is out we've got a massive hole there too. So a real mixed bag so far, although there is still time of course.

If we hadn't had the injuries to Buendia and Mings, we'd be another forward and possible a right back option away from a very good window. But injured they are, and it's happened early enough in August so the club to need to get on with it.

Zaniolo worries me, he looks like a permanent injury waiting to happen, and has a few "issues" to say the least.
To be honest I'm also worried about Carlos and Torres.  I've seen nothing from Carlos to suggest he will get back to being a top centre back and he's theoretically been fit for about 4 months now.  And whilst Torres undoubtedly has superb ability on the ball he is lightweight with very poor defensive and aerial stats.  Whether he can adapt to the PL remains to be seen, but if he can you would have thought it would be ideally next to a Mings style brick-shithouse and I don't think Konsa or Carlos are that man.  Unless Carlos becomes very good very quickly, I think we're going to be conceding a lot of goals from set pieces.

Only one way to find out about Carlos and that's to throw him in now. We need a physical presence, starting this weekend, at centre back with Mings out and neither Konsa or Torres will provide that. Carlos pre season cameos don't inspire much confidence but if he isn't able for the likes of Maupay now then we are best finding out quickly and moving him on. 

I know Emery rates Torres very highly but that signing has always worried me. Not to come across all Graeme Souness but I really worry about Torres ability to handle the physical side of "our league". Would be great if he could settle in next to Carlos with likes of Martinez and Kamara helping out. If that doesn't work I fear our defence could be battered over the next while without Mings. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on August 17, 2023, 01:54:24 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on August 17, 2023, 12:56:31 PM
Quote from: steamer on August 17, 2023, 12:06:51 PM
Who was the guy that had a "pain" in his arse ?

Stefano Postma 

You know he owns Macs exercises bike from alwats sunny in philadelphia. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on August 17, 2023, 02:02:15 PM
			

			

				PSV looking to take Sergino Dest on loan, I think we should be all over that. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 17, 2023, 02:19:24 PM
			

			

				Liverpool still interested in Kamara, apparently. Can't see us entertaining any offers for any of the midfield at the moment. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on August 17, 2023, 02:22:10 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 17, 2023, 02:19:24 PM
Liverpool still interested in Kamara, apparently. Can't see us entertaining any offers for any of the midfield at the moment. 

£60m and above, and I'd sell. I think as promising as he is, we could could get a more consistent player and really help FFP at the same time. Even if we spent £60m on a replacement.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villatillidie25 on August 17, 2023, 02:23:14 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on August 17, 2023, 02:22:10 PM
Quote from: AV84 on August 17, 2023, 02:19:24 PM
Liverpool still interested in Kamara, apparently. Can't see us entertaining any offers for any of the midfield at the moment. 

£60m and above, and I'd sell. I think as promising as he is, we could could get a more consistent player and really help FFP at the same time. Even if we spent £60m on a replacement.

Not at this stage of the season. None of the top 11 or so players should be allowed to leave now
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 17, 2023, 02:26:19 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on August 17, 2023, 02:22:10 PM
Quote from: AV84 on August 17, 2023, 02:19:24 PM
Liverpool still interested in Kamara, apparently. Can't see us entertaining any offers for any of the midfield at the moment. 

£60m and above, and I'd sell. I think as promising as he is, we could could get a more consistent player and really help FFP at the same time. Even if we spent £60m on a replacement.

Liverpool are looking a bit desperate for a midfielder (or several) at the moment, we could probably push for a lot of money, but still, I can't see us losing any more regular first team players this window. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on August 17, 2023, 02:40:44 PM
			

			

				Bearing in mind Lavia is going for £60m odd, I’d expect at least £80m for Kamara and I wouldn’t be selling anyway.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on August 17, 2023, 02:42:12 PM
			

			

				I wouldn't sell Kamara but I sometimes think we rate him better than he is.  Whilst he can be brilliant he makes a lot of mistakes and does have some poor games.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on August 17, 2023, 02:43:42 PM
			

			

				I would sell at £80-90M if it was on the table. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on August 17, 2023, 02:45:14 PM
			

			

				Yeah he does need to develop his decision making but that’s not wholly unexpected for a player of his age. I don’t think we overrate him I think he’s an exceptional talent, and is widely regarded as such.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ads on August 17, 2023, 03:00:37 PM
			

			

				I would not be selling a 23 year old Kamara for any price. What an odd decision that would be. Almost akin to wanting to get rid of a 23 year old Luiz when his quality was there and needed nurturing.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on August 17, 2023, 03:03:00 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 17, 2023, 02:40:44 PM
Bearing in mind Lavia is going for £60m odd, I’d expect at least £80m for Kamara and I wouldn’t be selling anyway.

They were going to pay £110m for Caceido from Brighton before Chelsea fucked them over.

Kamara is a stronger player than Caciedo, so any bid from them that is to even be considered as a thought that we might just start thinking about having a conversation with them, must start at least £110m.

And maybe double that, purely because its Liverpool...

But for me, I wouldn't sell at all. 

We weaken ourselves in a position that it has taken years to find a decent player for. 

And we strengthen a club that is bordering on our rivals.

Especially considering how weak they currently are... 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 17, 2023, 03:04:12 PM
			

			

				I like Kamara, but I watched back the newcastle game yesterday and I thought he spent too much of the game not putting in much physical effort in general, whilst contributing not a lot.

I wonder if the talk has got to him?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on August 17, 2023, 03:06:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 17, 2023, 03:04:12 PM
I like Kamara, but I watched back the newcastle game yesterday and I thought he spent too much of the game not putting in much physical effort in general, whilst contributing not a lot.

I wonder if the talk has got to him?

Harshly, the Newcastle game was the reason I said I would take 80-90M for him. I think he blows hot and cold, but when he is not on it his head drops a bit and he gives the impression he has given up a bit. I agree that he is very, very good on his day, but I think I always saw more as a footballer in Luiz than I do Kamara. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: steamer on August 17, 2023, 03:23:10 PM
			

			

				I recall a point in the second half where he was ambling back to defence, the commentator said something like, Emery is urging him to move up the pace.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 17, 2023, 03:30:22 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dick Edwards on August 17, 2023, 09:49:48 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 17, 2023, 09:34:48 AM
I think Digne gets a bad rap personally. I think he’s a good player.

I'm with you here. Maybe not worthy of being our highest paid player, nor as good as Moreno but I am comfortable with him being a valuable player in our squad.

He needs a target man as he doesn’t have the pace to burn a fullback. He worked well at Everton with DCL but less well with us. Compounded by the fact that Emery needs the left back to stretch the opposition’s defence. 

Actually thinking about it, weird how our main tactic is built around a relatively unheard of left back. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on August 17, 2023, 03:38:57 PM
			

			

				Luiz suffered in the early days because the rest of the team wasn't very good, and he mostly played in a defensive pivot with with either Nakamba (limited footballer) or McGinn (not a defensive midfielder) and in front of other limited players like Engels and Targett. Kamara is playing with the best crop of players we've had in a generation, and he still occasionally turns in a stinker of a performance. He can be very, very good (eg Spurs away) but the one thing you need from that position is consistency.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 17, 2023, 03:43:12 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on August 17, 2023, 03:38:57 PM
Luiz suffered in the early days because the rest of the team wasn't very good, and he mostly played in a defensive pivot with with either Nakamba (limited footballer) or McGinn (not a defensive midfielder) and in front of other limited players like Engels and Targett. Kamara is playing with the best crop of players we've had in a generation, and he still occasionally turns in a stinker of a performance. He can be very, very good (eg Spurs away) but the one thing you need from that position is consistency.

I think you are over critical of Kamara.  He wasn't his best against Newcastle, neither were most of them.  He's one of our best performers when fit and is rarely inconsistent.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on August 17, 2023, 03:49:38 PM
			

			

				Yep agreed and I think people stand up and take notice of Kamara’s mistakes because they are in such stark contrast to his normal play.

Luiz has proved it can take time and I think they’re both excellent.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: enigma on August 17, 2023, 04:00:03 PM
			

			

				I'd be so pissed off if we sold Kamara for £60m.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on August 17, 2023, 04:13:58 PM
			

			

				This Acuna deal happening today is looking pretty unlikely isn’t it? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 17, 2023, 04:14:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 17, 2023, 12:35:21 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 17, 2023, 12:34:05 AM
https://x.com/fpldoublepinter/status/1691850352058925176?s=46&t=s4PUnd105bLdPWkz1Dmnlg

Read this guys tweets. Digne out of the uk, Saudi bound.

He was in the training video the club posted today.

The tweet was posted yesterday afternoon. Maybe he was there to meet somebody..
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on August 17, 2023, 04:23:25 PM
			

			

				Maybe if it was Birmingham but Heathrow? (Also an airport for long haul flights). 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dave.woodhall on August 17, 2023, 04:30:57 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on August 17, 2023, 04:23:25 PM
Maybe if it was Birmingham but Heathrow? (Also an airport for long haul flights). 

BHX flies direct to Saudi.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on August 17, 2023, 04:59:19 PM
			

			

				He said in that tweet he was flying to Nice and Digne was on the flight.  Not sure if it's a wind up.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on August 17, 2023, 05:19:10 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on August 17, 2023, 04:59:19 PM
He said in that tweet he was flying to Nice and Digne was on the flight.  Not sure if it's a wind up.

Maybe he was going to Nice to pick up biscuits 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on August 17, 2023, 05:22:38 PM
			

			

				I would defo sell Booby Kam for 100m+

No way we are gonna get an offer like that. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: passport1 on August 17, 2023, 05:48:03 PM
			

			

				Ignore double post
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: passport1 on August 17, 2023, 05:49:13 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: passport1 on August 17, 2023, 05:48:03 PM
He's  23. A very good footballer and a few years away from his peak. I wouldn't  dream of selling just as I wouldn't contemplate  selling Jacob Ramsey (22) another very good footballer who is still developing.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 17, 2023, 06:17:04 PM
			

			

				(https://images.webapi.gc.avfcservices.co.uk/fit-in/800x800/9c23e930-3cf4-11ee-b99a-3d554ff4fa11.jpg)

That's him in todays pics, isn't it? 

Edit - just noticed it says pics are from Wednesday, so no clearer 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on August 17, 2023, 06:22:11 PM
			

			

				His teammates sure want him to stay!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on August 17, 2023, 07:41:11 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 17, 2023, 03:04:12 PM
I like Kamara, but I watched back the newcastle game yesterday and I thought he spent too much of the game not putting in much physical effort in general, whilst contributing not a lot.

I wonder if the talk has got to him?

Thought the same...he seemed utterly disinterested. Then again the midfield setup was all wrong and he was a bit like that under Gerrard at times too. 

We won't get better as a club selling our best players though. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 17, 2023, 07:50:54 PM
			

			

				Spanish media saying Seville have rejected our bid for Acuña, so he's not imminent anyway.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: 85kota on August 17, 2023, 08:06:22 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: brontebilly on August 17, 2023, 07:41:11 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 17, 2023, 03:04:12 PM
I like Kamara, but I watched back the newcastle game yesterday and I thought he spent too much of the game not putting in much physical effort in general, whilst contributing not a lot.

I wonder if the talk has got to him?

Thought the same...he seemed utterly disinterested. Then again the midfield setup was all wrong and he was a bit like that under Gerrard at times too. 

We won't get better as a club selling our best players though.

Was the midfield setup all wrong? 

Kamara and Luiz in the middle.so that's half of it absolutely right.

Kamara was lazy. Not good.

He is mostly good, but Saturday weren't it.
Or is it that.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on August 17, 2023, 08:26:36 PM
			

			

				Huh? Anyway he had a bad game, I doubt he’ll play that badly again for a very long time. First game’s of the season can be weird. We’ll see at the weekend, but I think we were just off and they were fully on it.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: 85kota on August 17, 2023, 08:36:30 PM
			

			

				How longnis a very long time could play that badly on Sunday or maybe in about 5 weeks
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on August 17, 2023, 08:46:13 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: 85kota on August 17, 2023, 08:06:22 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on August 17, 2023, 07:41:11 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 17, 2023, 03:04:12 PM
I like Kamara, but I watched back the newcastle game yesterday and I thought he spent too much of the game not putting in much physical effort in general, whilst contributing not a lot.

I wonder if the talk has got to him?

Thought the same...he seemed utterly disinterested. Then again the midfield setup was all wrong and he was a bit like that under Gerrard at times too. 

We won't get better as a club selling our best players though.

Was the midfield setup all wrong? 

Kamara and Luiz in the middle.so that's half of it absolutely right.

Kamara was lazy. Not good.

He is mostly good, but Saturday weren't it.
Or is it that.
Bailey on the right was the problem and Steptoes son had a field day , so they were running and passing through us with impunity.
The midfield collapsed.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: N'ZMAV on August 17, 2023, 08:46:53 PM
			

			

				nice to get our worst performance of the season out of the way....
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 17, 2023, 08:49:04 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 17, 2023, 08:46:53 PM
nice to get our worst performance of the season out of the way....

The other plus is that it puts us back under the radar again for our title charge.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: 85kota on August 17, 2023, 08:49:33 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ChicagoLion on August 17, 2023, 08:46:13 PM
Quote from: 85kota on August 17, 2023, 08:06:22 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on August 17, 2023, 07:41:11 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 17, 2023, 03:04:12 PM
I like Kamara, but I watched back the newcastle game yesterday and I thought he spent too much of the game not putting in much physical effort in general, whilst contributing not a lot.

I wonder if the talk has got to him?

Thought the same...he seemed utterly disinterested. Then again the midfield setup was all wrong and he was a bit like that under Gerrard at times too. 

We won't get better as a club selling our best players though.

Was the midfield setup all wrong? 

Kamara and Luiz in the middle.so that's half of it absolutely right.

Kamara was lazy. Not good.

He is mostly good, but Saturday weren't it.
Or is it that.
Bailey on the right was the problem and Steptoes son had a field day , so they were running and passing through us with impunity.
The midfield collapsed.

Agreed. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: N'ZMAV on August 17, 2023, 08:49:52 PM
			

			

				exactly - who'd have thought we'd have qualified for Europe after losing to Stevenage....
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: 85kota on August 17, 2023, 10:01:08 PM
			

			

				Zaniolo looks good but as another poster said bit of a Darren Anderton type why are we scrapping around for him and an older left back than what we've got?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on August 17, 2023, 10:07:05 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: 85kota on August 17, 2023, 10:01:08 PM
Zaniolo looks good but as another poster said bit of a Darren Anderton type why are we scrapping around for him and an older left back than what we've got?

Fucking hell another bloke who was constantly broken. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Londonvilla on August 18, 2023, 01:12:11 AM
			

			

				Fulham and Aston Villa interested in Gonzalo Montiel

Fulham and Aston Villa are reportedly interested in Gonzalo Montiel.

Two Premier League clubs are fighting over the World champion. According to Gastón Edul, the two clubs are looking to sign the 26 year old right back.

https://mundoalbiceleste.com/2023/08/17/fulham-and-aston-villa-interested-in-gonzalo-montiel/

&t=158s


Let's just get the rest of the Argentinian team.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: CT Villan on August 18, 2023, 01:46:32 AM
			

			

				My god the music on that highlights reel is crap, had to mute it. Not convinced from that video, but I'm not Unai or Monchi, so what do I know.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 18, 2023, 03:09:18 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: CT Villan on August 18, 2023, 01:46:32 AM
My god the music on that highlights reel is crap, had to mute it. Not convinced from that video, but I'm not Unai or Monchi, so what do I know.

I liked it. ☺️ One of the few I didn’t have to mute. It’s the dance tunes that I hate.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: CT Villan on August 18, 2023, 03:26:14 AM
			

			

				I can't stand the modern trend to run vocals through a vocoder. That and autotune....the devil's work and especially good at hiding crap vocalists or songs with uninspiring melodies. The bits where he isn't singing are ok, I suppose.

I may be turning into Victor Meldrew.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on August 18, 2023, 06:22:10 AM
			

			

				Well, Emi did say he would try to persuade more Argentinian players to come over and join him. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on August 18, 2023, 07:35:40 AM
			

			

				Chelsea are now in for Brennan Johnson apparently. Is there a player they haven't tried to buy in the last 18 months. Royally pissing me off.

Montiel looks a decent solution at right back, but I doubt we will buy him, he's got a pending legal case I think. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Axl Rose on August 18, 2023, 07:49:31 AM
			

			

				Chelsea are the genital wart of football.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 18, 2023, 08:34:26 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: CT Villan on August 18, 2023, 01:46:32 AM
My god the music on that highlights reel is crap, had to mute it. Not convinced from that video, but I'm not Unai or Monchi, so what do I know.

I find it's best to mute and listen to your own music instead (mostly Depeche Mode in my case).
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 18, 2023, 08:40:18 AM
			

			

				I remember when all the YouTube highlights videos were one of two songs.

"This is ten percent luck
Twenty percent skill
Fifteen percent concentrated power of will
Five percent pleasure
Fifty percent pain
And a hundred percent reason to remember the name"

Or

"Check on the rep, second to none, yeah
This how we get shit done
You can check on the rep, second to none."
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on August 18, 2023, 08:49:27 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on August 18, 2023, 08:34:26 AM
Quote from: CT Villan on August 18, 2023, 01:46:32 AM
My god the music on that highlights reel is crap, had to mute it. Not convinced from that video, but I'm not Unai or Monchi, so what do I know.

I find it's best to mute and listen to your own music instead (mostly Depeche Mode in my case).

Personal Jesus Navas, I Just Can't Get Jobi McAnuff, World in My Isiah Osbourne etc



Sorry.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on August 18, 2023, 09:30:18 AM
			

			

				Not sure if there's any legs in the Gonzalo Montiel rumour.  But 3 of the Argentinian World Cup winning team in our back 5 would be quite a statement (he was mostly a sub, but got minutes and scored the winning pen I think?)

A decent age at 26 too. 

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on August 18, 2023, 09:33:31 AM
			

			

				Not sure anyone will buy him this window if you do a quick search on him. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 18, 2023, 09:46:07 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ozzjim on August 18, 2023, 09:33:31 AM
Not sure anyone will buy him this window if you do a quick search on him.

Well you'd certainly hope we're not in for him. No need to invite these things into the club. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: murgsy on August 18, 2023, 09:49:26 AM
			

			

				Liverpool allegedly interested in Bouba...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RamboandBruno on August 18, 2023, 09:58:18 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: murgsy on August 18, 2023, 09:49:26 AM
Liverpool allegedly interested in Bouba...
Thats been circulating for weeks. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Axl Rose on August 18, 2023, 10:10:24 AM
			

			

				They're signing / have signed Endo, so I don't think they need Kamara.

However, I'd sell him if the price was high. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RamboandBruno on August 18, 2023, 10:12:54 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Axl Rose on August 18, 2023, 10:10:24 AM
They're signing / have signed Endo, so I don't think they need Kamara.

However, I'd sell him if the price was high.
Really? I’d be building the team for next few years around him and Dougie if possible. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 18, 2023, 10:17:39 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: RamboandBruno on August 18, 2023, 09:58:18 AM
Quote from: murgsy on August 18, 2023, 09:49:26 AM
Liverpool allegedly interested in Bouba...
Thats been circulating for weeks.

It had gone quiet but resurfaced after they didn't get Caceido. They've been linked to a pile of midfielders this week, have signed one, but I wouldn't be surprised if they sign another. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on August 18, 2023, 10:27:58 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ozzjim on August 18, 2023, 09:33:31 AM
Not sure anyone will buy him this window if you do a quick search on him.

Can't see anything? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 18, 2023, 10:30:08 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on August 18, 2023, 10:27:58 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 18, 2023, 09:33:31 AM
Not sure anyone will buy him this window if you do a quick search on him.

Can't see anything?

It's literally the first story coming up when I Google him. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on August 18, 2023, 10:48:01 AM
			

			

				It's a sexual abuse accusation.  Grim, there's far too many of these with footballers these days.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on August 18, 2023, 10:53:01 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Axl Rose on August 18, 2023, 10:10:24 AM
They're signing / have signed Endo, so I don't think they need Kamara.

However, I'd sell him if the price was high. 

Think they want Doucoure from Palace. Another one we were very heavily linked with 2 summers back. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on August 18, 2023, 10:55:15 AM
			

			

				Well they'll have to get past Roy first and the way he faced up to that Blade last weekend, and managed to hold onto Olise this week...I wouldn't mess with the geezer. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Axl Rose on August 18, 2023, 11:07:22 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: RamboandBruno on August 18, 2023, 10:12:54 AM
Quote from: Axl Rose on August 18, 2023, 10:10:24 AM
They're signing / have signed Endo, so I don't think they need Kamara.

However, I'd sell him if the price was high.
Really? I’d be building the team for next few years around him and Dougie if possible. 

I agree with that, also. 

100 million +, I'd sell Bouba. I really like him, but would trust Emery to buy a replacement if we did.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on August 18, 2023, 11:17:07 AM
			

			

				Liverpool were prepared to pay £110m for Caicedo. That's where I would start if I were doing Monchi's job. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john2710 on August 18, 2023, 11:43:20 AM
			

			

				Liverpool offered £110m when they knew he would only go to Chelsea. They've moved on to someone from Strutgard for £15m. That's where they are at.

The chances of Liverpool offering a genuine £100m for anyone is remote. They've competed above their investment because Klopp is a good manager but he's going to have to do it again.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on August 18, 2023, 11:44:37 AM
			

			

				That's kind of the point though. We don't want to sell unless it's for silly money. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on August 18, 2023, 01:25:55 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on August 18, 2023, 11:44:37 AM
That's kind of the point though. We don't want to sell unless it's for silly money.

This. 

I don't know why Liverpool don't go for Ibrahim Sangare. 

He has a €37m release clause & is an absolute beast in that CDM role... 

Fuck it, why don't we go in for him? 😂
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 18, 2023, 01:37:26 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pablo_picasso on August 18, 2023, 01:25:55 PM
Quote from: OCD on August 18, 2023, 11:44:37 AM
That's kind of the point though. We don't want to sell unless it's for silly money.

This. 

I don't know why Liverpool don't go for Ibrahim Sangare. 

He has a €37m release clause & is an absolute beast in that CDM role... 

Fuck it, why don't we go in for him? 😂

Tyler Adams at £20m also seems an obvious DCM for a season or two. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on August 18, 2023, 01:38:09 PM
			

			

				We were linked with him last summer before we signed Kamara. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 18, 2023, 02:46:29 PM
			

			

				David DeGea still looking for a new job. Would he be better than Olsen? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ian. on August 18, 2023, 02:50:37 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 18, 2023, 02:46:29 PM
David DeGea still looking for a new job. Would he be better than Olsen? 

He’s rather suspect with his feet too though.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 18, 2023, 02:51:38 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ian. on August 18, 2023, 02:50:37 PM
Quote from: AV84 on August 18, 2023, 02:46:29 PM
David DeGea still looking for a new job. Would he be better than Olsen? 

He’s rather suspect with his feet too though.

Yeah, I was thinking that was part of the appeal of Onana for them. Everyone trying to play out from the back now.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on August 18, 2023, 02:52:33 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 18, 2023, 02:46:29 PM
David DeGea still looking for a new job. Would he be better than Olsen? 

Like many professional goalkeepers, he definitely would be. But I don't think we'd want to pay him £200k per week or so to sit on our bench, and I imagine he'll have better offers than our bench. Probably somewhere hot and sandy. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on August 18, 2023, 02:55:09 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 18, 2023, 02:46:29 PM
David DeGea still looking for a new job. Would he be better than Olsen?
Yes 100% 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 18, 2023, 02:58:22 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on August 18, 2023, 02:52:33 PM
Like many professional goalkeepers, he definitely would be. But I don't think we'd want to pay him £200k per week or so to sit on our bench, and I imagine he'll have better offers than our bench. Probably somewhere hot and sandy.

He doesn't at the moment, which is why I bring him up. He seemed to be angling for Madrid and Beyern, but both have said they're not interested. I would imagine he will end up Saudi bound if he's going to demand wages on par with his previous ones. If he just wants to keep playing at a decent level, then maybe he'll take a cut.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on August 18, 2023, 02:59:07 PM
			

			

				Not that I particularly rate him but would Conor Gallagher be a reasonable shout to play in our midfield 4? Competition for McGinn and Ramsey on the sides of the "box". He's a good athlete, combative and showed at Palace he is well able to get into the box and score goals. Limited technical ability on the ball, which is why I don't think Emery would be keen, but our setup might suit him. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villatillidie25 on August 18, 2023, 03:01:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: brontebilly on August 18, 2023, 02:59:07 PM
Not that I particularly rate him but would Conor Gallagher be a reasonable shout to play in our midfield 4? Competition for McGinn and Ramsey on the sides of the "box". He's a good athlete, combative and showed at Palace he is well able to get into the box and score goals. Limited technical ability on the ball, which is why I don't think Emery would be keen, but our setup might suit him. 

no, he's like a puppy who's won a competition
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on August 18, 2023, 03:05:38 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: brontebilly on August 18, 2023, 02:59:07 PM
Not that I particularly rate him but would Conor Gallagher be a reasonable shout to play in our midfield 4? Competition for McGinn and Ramsey on the sides of the "box". He's a good athlete, combative and showed at Palace he is well able to get into the box and score goals. Limited technical ability on the ball, which is why I don't think Emery would be keen, but our setup might suit him.

Always see him as a player who charges round running into people, not particularly technical which Unai seems to like.  Did well at Palace in terms of goalscoring though.  Would have thought Palace would have been all over him this summer considering Chelsea’s spending spree but not really seen it….likewise West Ham and maybe Spurs now they have a few quid in the bank.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on August 18, 2023, 03:09:44 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Gareth on August 18, 2023, 03:05:38 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on August 18, 2023, 02:59:07 PM
Not that I particularly rate him but would Conor Gallagher be a reasonable shout to play in our midfield 4? Competition for McGinn and Ramsey on the sides of the "box". He's a good athlete, combative and showed at Palace he is well able to get into the box and score goals. Limited technical ability on the ball, which is why I don't think Emery would be keen, but our setup might suit him.

Always see him as a player who charges round running into people, not particularly technical which Unai seems to like.  Did well at Palace in terms of goalscoring though.  Would have thought Palace would have been all over him this summer considering Chelsea’s spending spree but not really seen it….likewise West Ham and maybe Spurs now they have a few quid in the bank.

Think West Ham will go for him alright, still lots of the Rice money to blow. Poch seemed keen to keep him at Chelsea but after the two new signings he will surely look to move on. He definitely doesn't have the technical ability to play in a 2 but we are well covered there. Right now we don't have an alternative to Ramsey and I'm not sure who covers McGinn either on the other side. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on August 18, 2023, 03:09:57 PM
			

			

				Where/when would we play him? Our midfield options are more than enough and he's not better than any of them. He'll also have stupid wage demands. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: timeoutbigbar on August 18, 2023, 03:26:16 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: brontebilly on August 18, 2023, 02:59:07 PM
Not that I particularly rate him but would Conor Gallagher be a reasonable shout to play in our midfield 4? Competition for McGinn and Ramsey on the sides of the "box". He's a good athlete, combative and showed at Palace he is well able to get into the box and score goals. Limited technical ability on the ball, which is why I don't think Emery would be keen, but our setup might suit him. 

Reminds me a lot of a right footed McGinn, just not as good. Which, for me at least, begs the question why?  Probably looking at 40+m too.  Useful squad player potentially but we aren't that thin on the ground for that type of midfielder.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on August 18, 2023, 03:38:47 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ian. on August 18, 2023, 02:50:37 PM
Quote from: AV84 on August 18, 2023, 02:46:29 PM
David DeGea still looking for a new job. Would he be better than Olsen? 

He’s rather suspect with his feet too though.

As opposed to Olsen, who's just suspect as a goalkeeper. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on August 18, 2023, 03:41:41 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on August 18, 2023, 03:38:47 PM
Quote from: Ian. on August 18, 2023, 02:50:37 PM
Quote from: AV84 on August 18, 2023, 02:46:29 PM
David DeGea still looking for a new job. Would he be better than Olsen? 

He’s rather suspect with his feet too though.

As opposed to Olsen, who's just suspect as a goalkeeper.

If Olsen was competent with his feet he’d be ok as a number 2….he isn’t so he isn’t
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on August 18, 2023, 03:44:24 PM
			

			

				He's not especially competent with his hands either.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on August 18, 2023, 03:46:06 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Gareth on August 18, 2023, 03:41:41 PM
Quote from: OCD on August 18, 2023, 03:38:47 PM
Quote from: Ian. on August 18, 2023, 02:50:37 PM
Quote from: AV84 on August 18, 2023, 02:46:29 PM
David DeGea still looking for a new job. Would he be better than Olsen? 

He’s rather suspect with his feet too though.

As opposed to Olsen, who's just suspect as a goalkeeper.

If Olsen was competent with his feet he’d be ok as a number 2….he isn’t so he isn’t

He can't move his feet quick enough. He's not even championship standard. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on August 18, 2023, 03:51:05 PM
			

			

				He’s a decent shot stopper,  seems to stay at home a lot when defending corners and is horrific with his feet.  I’d suggest he is no worse than a lot of number 2’s but we need much better as the decision to start him in the 2 cup ties last season was a lot of the reason we lost both games.

Never want to see him play for us again but doesn’t look like any plans are there to replace him
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 18, 2023, 03:54:32 PM
			

			

				This has been pointed out before but when you're looking at a backup goalkeeper you don't want the drop off in quality to be too big. But when your #1 is arguably one of the best in the world, it's very difficult to keep that gap small. Anyone of that level is already #1 somewhere, or already back up to a brilliant keeper and wants to be #1. 

I'm really interested to see what happens at Arsenal with their keeper situation. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: enigma on August 18, 2023, 04:11:39 PM
			

			

				Cole Palmer is making noises about maybe leaving Man City to get more playing time. If he ever does we should be right in there with an offer.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Goldenballs on August 18, 2023, 04:13:43 PM
			

			

				He's not a decent shot stopper, he's not 'decent' at anything. He's below average in all areas of being a goalkeeper.

Unless by shot stopper you mean when the ball just literally hits him without him moving. But even that would rely on him having decent positioning, which he does not.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on August 18, 2023, 04:19:39 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 18, 2023, 03:54:32 PM
This has been pointed out before but when you're looking at a backup goalkeeper you don't want the drop off in quality to be too big. But when your #1 is arguably one of the best in the world, it's very difficult to keep that gap small. Anyone of that level is already #1 somewhere, or already back up to a brilliant keeper and wants to be #1. 

I'm really interested to see what happens at Arsenal with their keeper situation. 

He wasn't considered good enough for a Championship team, so why we thought he'd be good enough I have no idea.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on August 18, 2023, 04:21:15 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Goldenballs on August 18, 2023, 04:13:43 PM
He's not a decent shot stopper, he's not 'decent' at anything. He's below average in all areas of being a goalkeeper.

Unless by shot stopper you mean when the ball just literally hits him without him moving. But even that would rely on him having decent positioning, which he does not.

Clearly not true…you don’t have the club and international career he has had with having no ability.  He isn’t anywhere good enough for what we need but let’s not go OTT…other clubs might be reading this thread :-)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Flamingo Lane on August 18, 2023, 04:21:59 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: enigma on August 18, 2023, 04:11:39 PM
Cole Palmer is making noises about maybe leaving Man City to get more playing time. If he ever does we should be right in there with an offer.

Can't see what Guardiola sees in this fella at all, to be giving him the game time he does. He always looks distinctly ordinary to me. Strangely enough (since what do I know?), I have much the same opinion of that Rico Lewis.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on August 18, 2023, 04:27:04 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: enigma on August 18, 2023, 04:11:39 PM
Cole Palmer is making noises about maybe leaving Man City to get more playing time. If he ever does we should be right in there with an offer.

Christ no. 

Horrid little oik. 

The way he acted during the U21s Euros was disgusting. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 18, 2023, 04:27:48 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pablo_picasso on August 18, 2023, 04:27:04 PM
Quote from: enigma on August 18, 2023, 04:11:39 PM
Cole Palmer is making noises about maybe leaving Man City to get more playing time. If he ever does we should be right in there with an offer.

Christ no. 

Horrid little oik. 

The way he acted during the U21s Euros was disgusting. 


Sorry remind me , what did he do 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villatillidie25 on August 18, 2023, 04:28:27 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Flamingo Lane on August 18, 2023, 04:21:59 PM
Quote from: enigma on August 18, 2023, 04:11:39 PM
Cole Palmer is making noises about maybe leaving Man City to get more playing time. If he ever does we should be right in there with an offer.

Can't see what Guardiola sees in this fella at all, to be giving him the game time he does. He always looks distinctly ordinary to me. Strangely enough (since what do I know?), I have much the same opinion of that Rico Lewis.

Palmer's a bit of a strange one. He's always been very highly rated but I don't think has gone on loan anywhere. At 21, feels like he's missed at least a year or two out on loan at lower leagues. Is it me or does that seem to happen a lot with City players?
He's definitely decent though, as is Rico Lewis
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on August 18, 2023, 04:32:28 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on August 18, 2023, 04:27:48 PM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on August 18, 2023, 04:27:04 PM
Quote from: enigma on August 18, 2023, 04:11:39 PM
Cole Palmer is making noises about maybe leaving Man City to get more playing time. If he ever does we should be right in there with an offer.

Christ no. 

Horrid little oik. 

The way he acted during the U21s Euros was disgusting. 


Sorry remind me , what did he do

After he scored, he ran right past the opposition bench rubbing their noses in it & when they reacted & got angry, he ran away like a little coward, leaving his team mates & bench to deal with the mess. 

One of his Man C teammates slated him for it. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: enigma on August 18, 2023, 04:35:37 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pablo_picasso on August 18, 2023, 04:32:28 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on August 18, 2023, 04:27:48 PM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on August 18, 2023, 04:27:04 PM
Quote from: enigma on August 18, 2023, 04:11:39 PM
Cole Palmer is making noises about maybe leaving Man City to get more playing time. If he ever does we should be right in there with an offer.

Christ no. 

Horrid little oik. 

The way he acted during the U21s Euros was disgusting. 


Sorry remind me , what did he do

After he scored, he ran right past the opposition bench rubbing their noses in it & when they reacted & got angry, he ran away like a little coward, leaving his team mates & bench to deal with the mess.
Don't remember that tbh. I'm willing to give a little leeway due to his age though. Emi isn't above a bit of shithousery and we love him for it.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on August 18, 2023, 04:39:11 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: enigma on August 18, 2023, 04:35:37 PM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on August 18, 2023, 04:32:28 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on August 18, 2023, 04:27:48 PM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on August 18, 2023, 04:27:04 PM
Quote from: enigma on August 18, 2023, 04:11:39 PM
Cole Palmer is making noises about maybe leaving Man City to get more playing time. If he ever does we should be right in there with an offer.

Christ no. 

Horrid little oik. 

The way he acted during the U21s Euros was disgusting. 


Sorry remind me , what did he do

After he scored, he ran right past the opposition bench rubbing their noses in it & when they reacted & got angry, he ran away like a little coward, leaving his team mates & bench to deal with the mess.
Don't remember that tbh. I'm willing to give a little leeway due to his age though. Emi isn't above a bit of shithousery and we love him for it.

I think it was against Spain. 

Or Portugal. 

Or was it the Portugal game where that little shit stamped on Jacob Ramseys foot, breaking it in the process & the ref did nothing?

But, you make a valid point about age. 

Im not a fan of Martinez shithousery tbh...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Goldenballs on August 18, 2023, 04:59:01 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Gareth on August 18, 2023, 04:21:15 PM
Quote from: Goldenballs on August 18, 2023, 04:13:43 PM
He's not a decent shot stopper, he's not 'decent' at anything. He's below average in all areas of being a goalkeeper.

Unless by shot stopper you mean when the ball just literally hits him without him moving. But even that would rely on him having decent positioning, which he does not.

Clearly not true…you don’t have the club and international career he has had with having no ability.  He isn’t anywhere good enough for what we need but let’s not go OTT…other clubs might be reading this thread :-)

On paper he should be an ideal number 2, but having seen him with my own eyes he's miles off that. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on August 18, 2023, 05:03:12 PM
			

			

				He's a 'no.2' alright
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Anthenagin on August 18, 2023, 05:15:22 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pablo_picasso on August 18, 2023, 04:32:28 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on August 18, 2023, 04:27:48 PM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on August 18, 2023, 04:27:04 PM
Quote from: enigma on August 18, 2023, 04:11:39 PM
Cole Palmer is making noises about maybe leaving Man City to get more playing time. If he ever does we should be right in there with an offer.

Christ no. 

Horrid little oik. 

The way he acted during the U21s Euros was disgusting. 


Sorry remind me , what did he do

After he scored, he ran right past the opposition bench rubbing their noses in it & when they reacted & got angry, he ran away like a little coward, leaving his team mates & bench to deal with the mess. 

One of his Man C teammates slated him for it.

I watched the game and wondered what happened, so thanks for filling in the gaps! Palmer was implicated but it didn’t show what he’d done, or maybe I was celebrating and missed it! Anyways, it made me laugh because Ashley Cole got sent off from the England bench and I thought nothing changes there!


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on August 18, 2023, 06:35:27 PM
			

			

				Olsen should just have this own thread on here tbh
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ian. on August 18, 2023, 06:41:04 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: coreyfeldman on August 18, 2023, 06:35:27 PM
Olsen should just have this own thread on here tbh
Isn’t it the shithouse thread?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Londonvilla on August 18, 2023, 07:15:47 PM
			

			

				Crystal Palace Look At Cut-price Defender Deal

Crystal Palace looking at Aston Villa defender Kerr Smith and hope that they might be able to secure a cut-price deal for the player, according to the Daily Record.

https://insidefutbol.com/2023/08/18/crystal-palace-look-at-cut-price-defender-deal/616262/


Smith wanted at Palace

Crystal Palace are considering a cut-price move for Kerr Smith, writes Scott Burns.
The English Premier League side are keen on landing the young Scot youth international from Aston Villa.
Smith moved from Dundee United for a six figure to Villa Park in January last year.
The 18-year-old has trained with the Villa first-team but in recent months has dropped back down to the under-age squads.
Palace have been long-term admirers before he went to Villa and believe a deal could be done with Villa.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/transfer-news-live-celtic-rangers-30695191?utm_source=linkCopy&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar#entry663751


Loan yes sale no way.....
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on August 18, 2023, 07:23:25 PM
			

			

				Bit of a strange one that. He's not even had any first team experience south of the border. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on August 18, 2023, 07:31:49 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: enigma on August 18, 2023, 04:11:39 PM
Cole Palmer is making noises about maybe leaving Man City to get more playing time. If he ever does we should be right in there with an offer.
Not for me Jeff
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Londonvilla on August 18, 2023, 08:37:55 PM
			

			

				Let's bid for Paqueta; he would be great in our midfield in 12 months' time.
Below is the only link I could find to the villa .....LOL


The investigation started from a bet on Paquetá's yellow card in West Ham's 1-1 draw with Aston Villa, on March 12, for the Premier League. 

The Brazilian midfielder took the yellow in the 24th minute of the second half.

Initial analysis showed that on that day several new accounts were created at Betway, account linked with people close to Paqueta, with users depositing the maximum amount allowed. These accounts made a married bet to increase the winnings: the authors would only receive the money if Paquetá took yellow against Villa and if the striker Luiz Henrique, from Betis, received the card against Villarreal, on the same day on March 12.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: jwarry on August 18, 2023, 08:54:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Londonvilla on August 18, 2023, 08:37:55 PM
Let's bid for Paqueta; he would be great in our midfield in 12 months' time.
Below is the only link I could find to the villa .....LOL


The investigation started from a bet on Paquetá's yellow card in West Ham's 1-1 draw with Aston Villa, on March 12, for the Premier League. 

The Brazilian midfielder took the yellow in the 24th minute of the second half.

Initial analysis showed that on that day several new accounts were created at Betway, account linked with people close to Paqueta, with users depositing the maximum amount allowed. These accounts made a married bet to increase the winnings: the authors would only receive the money if Paquetá took yellow against Villa and if the striker Luiz Henrique, from Betis, received the card against Villarreal, on the same day on March 12.

A Pacquet racket
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on August 18, 2023, 09:25:58 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Londonvilla on August 18, 2023, 07:15:47 PM
Crystal Palace Look At Cut-price Defender Deal

Crystal Palace looking at Aston Villa defender Kerr Smith and hope that they might be able to secure a cut-price deal for the player, according to the Daily Record.

https://insidefutbol.com/2023/08/18/crystal-palace-look-at-cut-price-defender-deal/616262/


Smith wanted at Palace

Crystal Palace are considering a cut-price move for Kerr Smith, writes Scott Burns.
The English Premier League side are keen on landing the young Scot youth international from Aston Villa.
Smith moved from Dundee United for a six figure to Villa Park in January last year.
The 18-year-old has trained with the Villa first-team but in recent months has dropped back down to the under-age squads.
Palace have been long-term admirers before he went to Villa and believe a deal could be done with Villa.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/transfer-news-live-celtic-rangers-30695191?utm_source=linkCopy&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar#entry663751


Loan yes sale no way.....

And I am looking at a cut price dinner date with Jennifer Connelly...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Londonvilla on August 18, 2023, 09:27:04 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: jwarry on August 18, 2023, 08:54:17 PM
Quote from: Londonvilla on August 18, 2023, 08:37:55 PM
Let's bid for Paqueta; he would be great in our midfield in 12 months' time.
Below is the only link I could find to the villa .....LOL


The investigation started from a bet on Paquetá's yellow card in West Ham's 1-1 draw with Aston Villa, on March 12, for the Premier League. 

The Brazilian midfielder took the yellow in the 24th minute of the second half.

Initial analysis showed that on that day several new accounts were created at Betway, account linked with people close to Paqueta, with users depositing the maximum amount allowed. These accounts made a married bet to increase the winnings: the authors would only receive the money if Paquetá took yellow against Villa and if the striker Luiz Henrique, from Betis, received the card against Villarreal, on the same day on March 12.

A Pacquet racket

This looks like match-fixing, whereas Ivan Toney is a gambling addiction problem
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: adrenachrome on August 18, 2023, 10:39:03 PM
			

			

				ESPN UK
@ESPNUK
Aston Villa have put together a superb transfer window 👏

✅ Pau Torres
✅ Nicolo Zaniolo
✅ Youri Tielemans
✅ Moussa Diaby
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on August 18, 2023, 10:44:38 PM
			

			

				A Spaniard from Spain.
An Italian from Turkey.
A Belgian from Leicester.
A Frenchman from Germany.

I reckon we must be on for another few Spaniards and Americans.

"edited because otherwise someone will get really upset with me for not being factual etc. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 18, 2023, 10:46:14 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on August 18, 2023, 10:44:38 PM
A Spaniard from Spain.
An Italian from Turkey.
A Frenchman from Leicester.
A Frenchman from Germany.

I reckon we must be on for another few Spaniards and Americans.

You can't spell Moussa without USA! USA! 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Anthenagin on August 18, 2023, 10:48:21 PM
			

			

				Tielemans Is Belgian, right?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 18, 2023, 10:56:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on August 18, 2023, 10:44:38 PM
A Spaniard from Spain.
An Italian from Turkey.
A Frenchman from Leicester.
A Frenchman from Germany.

I'll need to see your workings out on this one.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on August 18, 2023, 10:56:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Londonvilla on August 18, 2023, 09:27:04 PM
Quote from: jwarry on August 18, 2023, 08:54:17 PM
Quote from: Londonvilla on August 18, 2023, 08:37:55 PM
Let's bid for Paqueta; he would be great in our midfield in 12 months' time.
Below is the only link I could find to the villa .....LOL


The investigation started from a bet on Paquetá's yellow card in West Ham's 1-1 draw with Aston Villa, on March 12, for the Premier League. 

The Brazilian midfielder took the yellow in the 24th minute of the second half.

Initial analysis showed that on that day several new accounts were created at Betway, account linked with people close to Paqueta, with users depositing the maximum amount allowed. These accounts made a married bet to increase the winnings: the authors would only receive the money if Paquetá took yellow against Villa and if the striker Luiz Henrique, from Betis, received the card against Villarreal, on the same day on March 12.

A Pacquet racket

This looks like match-fixing, whereas Ivan Toney is a gambling addiction problem

I take it Luis Henrique is being investigated as well? Just looked back on LiveScore and he came on as a sub and got booked!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 18, 2023, 10:57:10 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Londonvilla on August 18, 2023, 09:27:04 PM
Quote from: jwarry on August 18, 2023, 08:54:17 PM
Quote from: Londonvilla on August 18, 2023, 08:37:55 PM
Let's bid for Paqueta; he would be great in our midfield in 12 months' time.
Below is the only link I could find to the villa .....LOL


The investigation started from a bet on Paquetá's yellow card in West Ham's 1-1 draw with Aston Villa, on March 12, for the Premier League. 

The Brazilian midfielder took the yellow in the 24th minute of the second half.

Initial analysis showed that on that day several new accounts were created at Betway, account linked with people close to Paqueta, with users depositing the maximum amount allowed. These accounts made a married bet to increase the winnings: the authors would only receive the money if Paquetá took yellow against Villa and if the striker Luiz Henrique, from Betis, received the card against Villarreal, on the same day on March 12.

A Pacquet racket

This looks like match-fixing, whereas Ivan Toney is a gambling addiction problem

Match fixing must surely carry a much tougher penalty than gambling (although obviously, the one is banned partly because it might lead to the other).
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on August 18, 2023, 11:18:33 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Anthenagin on August 18, 2023, 10:48:21 PM
Tielemans Is Belgian, right?

yep. Spanish speaking Belgian as is Zaniolo, a Spanish speaking Italian. Both now have American citizenship now as part of the contract thanks to Heck
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on August 19, 2023, 12:11:43 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 18, 2023, 11:18:33 PM
Quote from: Anthenagin on August 18, 2023, 10:48:21 PM
Tielemans Is Belgian, right?

yep. Spanish speaking Belgian as is Zaniolo, a Spanish speaking Italian. Both now have American citizenship now as part of the contract thanks to Heck

interestinggg..
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 19, 2023, 12:15:32 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 18, 2023, 11:18:33 PM
Quote from: Anthenagin on August 18, 2023, 10:48:21 PM
Tielemans Is Belgian, right?

yep. Spanish speaking Belgian as is Zaniolo, a Spanish speaking Italian. Both now have American citizenship now as part of the contract thanks to Heck

All actually born in Erdington.

Including Heck.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: CT Villan on August 19, 2023, 02:35:11 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 18, 2023, 11:18:33 PM
yep. Spanish speaking Belgian as is Zaniolo, a Spanish speaking Italian. Both now have American citizenship now as part of the contract thanks to Heck

The IRS will be rubbing their hands...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on August 19, 2023, 06:32:56 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Anthenagin on August 18, 2023, 10:48:21 PM
Tielemans Is Belgian, right?

Haha! I meant that, changed it and didn't edit again. What a numpty. Too much nice wine. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on August 19, 2023, 06:39:37 AM
			

			

				Anyway, I think we'd all be well chuffed with this window had it not been for the injuries to Buendia and Mings.

Still expecting more in though. Forward and Defender. Would like a goalie but can't see it happening. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: lovejoy on August 19, 2023, 07:49:24 AM
			

			

				Every team me we buy someone another posts lists a further set of positions we need cover for. I think we are quite a needy fan base.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villatillidie25 on August 19, 2023, 07:53:17 AM
			

			

				Aren’t all fans? 🤣
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 19, 2023, 09:00:15 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on August 19, 2023, 06:39:37 AM
Anyway, I think we'd all be well chuffed with this window had it not been for the injuries to Buendia and Mings.

Still expecting more in though. Forward and Defender. Would like a goalie but can't see it happening.

Agree with that. If those 3 come in it’ll be the best window ever I reckon. Can even afford to offload a few that aren’t likely to be playing much.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on August 19, 2023, 10:07:52 AM
			

			

				I don’t understand why we have not bought a right back.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on August 19, 2023, 10:20:00 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ChicagoLion on August 19, 2023, 10:07:52 AM
I don’t understand why we have not bought a right back.

He has said that he wants two players for every position so maybe it's something they're working on. Still a couple of weeks left yet. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on August 19, 2023, 10:21:53 AM
			

			

				It will go down as one of the great Villa mysteries if we don't. I do think we may be waiting now on Archer and possibly Digne to move before getting a forward and Acuna. With the way Emery has us set up I'm not certain another wide forward is really going to be much use. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 19, 2023, 10:22:16 AM
			

			

				I'm quite happy with the window as it stands, but it is quite funny that before it opened we'd all have said RB, striker, and back up goalie were priority, and we haven't signed any of those 3. 

To be honest though I feel like the signings we have made improve us way more than if we'd just filled those positions. So I'm still happy. 

Edit - just looking at stats there and Diaby scored 9 goals last season, and Zaniolo scored 5 in 10 games for Gala. Even a repeat of that makes them better than what the other players contributed last season. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SamTheMouse on August 19, 2023, 10:36:49 AM
			

			

				Not sure I agree. I think we still need a RB, a backup 'keeper and another striker, and pretty bloody urgently. I genuinely don't understand why those positions haven't been addressed. We're meant to be aiming high this season, but even a medium term injury to Martinez, Cash, or Watkins would be sufficient to knacker it completely. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 19, 2023, 10:37:30 AM
			

			

				I’d have said a ‘number 10’ and GK the most pressing, we did get Diaby for the ‘number 10’. The thing is, with things on the up and all the extra games in a euro competition that we have to be one of the favourites for, now would be the time to not leave any gaps for a change.
I agree with ozzjim though, I think it’s pretty obvious that we need to move Digne before bringing in Acuna but I think he’s probably right about Archer too. If we can move him for a decent fee with a buy back that would be perfect and then get someone in who has more experience that can hopefully slot right in as a Watkins alternative. GK and right back wise it’s all very quiet.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 19, 2023, 10:40:20 AM
			

			

				The right back situation urgently needs addressing, of all the remaining possibilities. More than the striker one (though that too needs addressing)

I still think Olsen is nowhere near good enough but have accepted Emery seems to have decided he is.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 19, 2023, 10:47:11 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 19, 2023, 10:40:20 AM
The right back situation urgently needs addressing, of all the remaining possibilities. More than the striker one (though that too needs addressing)

I still think Olsen is nowhere near good enough but have accepted Emery seems to have decided he is.

I think they both need addressing but would be less concerned about Chambers at right back than Olsen in goal !

With Mings being out for the season it leaves us with 7 senior defenders which isn’t enough. Not for the potential number of games anyway.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on August 19, 2023, 11:06:46 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 19, 2023, 10:40:20 AM
The right back situation urgently needs addressing, of all the remaining possibilities. More than the striker one (though that too needs addressing)

I still think Olsen is nowhere near good enough but have accepted Emery seems to have decided he is.

Maybe Emery has decided that Cash is? There haven't been any concrete links that I've seen to right backs.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on August 19, 2023, 11:08:50 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on August 19, 2023, 11:06:46 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 19, 2023, 10:40:20 AM
The right back situation urgently needs addressing, of all the remaining possibilities. More than the striker one (though that too needs addressing)

I still think Olsen is nowhere near good enough but have accepted Emery seems to have decided he is.

Maybe Emery has decided that Cash is? There haven't been any concrete links that I've seen to right backs.
when you consider that Young kept him out the team and the performance against Newcastle it’s a strange one.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on August 19, 2023, 11:16:20 AM
			

			

				Still desperately need - 

Olsen replacement
Nr 9
RB

I think its been a poor window in the sense that the big Priority areas have not been addressed. Clearly they aren't seen as priorities by Emery
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on August 19, 2023, 11:19:51 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ChicagoLion on August 19, 2023, 11:08:50 AM
Quote from: Risso on August 19, 2023, 11:06:46 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 19, 2023, 10:40:20 AM
The right back situation urgently needs addressing, of all the remaining possibilities. More than the striker one (though that too needs addressing)

I still think Olsen is nowhere near good enough but have accepted Emery seems to have decided he is.

Maybe Emery has decided that Cash is? There haven't been any concrete links that I've seen to right backs.
when you consider that Young kept him out the team and the performance against Newcastle it’s a strange one.

If you were going off the Newcastle game it'd be a whole new first eleven.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dr.chekov on August 19, 2023, 11:22:33 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: VillaTim on August 19, 2023, 11:16:20 AM
Still desperately need - 

Olsen replacement
Nr 9
RB

I think its been a poor window in the sense that the big Priority areas have not been addressed. Clearly they aren't seen as priorities by Emery

No more, if Carlsberg did summer windows, no? Also, it's not closed yet. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 19, 2023, 11:27:05 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on August 19, 2023, 11:19:51 AM
If you were going off the Newcastle game it'd be a whole new first eleven.

People are using the Newcastle game to make whatever point they want to make against specific players. Through the week I've seen the entire thing blamed on several individual players. Cash is to blame. Bailey is to blame. Konsa is to blame. Kamara is to blame. Watkins is to blame. etc. etc.

A sensible person would think if so many are to blame it was indeed a team failure, but who needs sense when you can keep banging whatever drum you've been banging all summer. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 19, 2023, 11:59:01 AM
			

			

				There’s a difference between blaming players for a loss and saying they should be replaced. Rissos comment is tongue in cheek and I’ve not seen anyone say players should be replaced on the strength of just that performance. For instance I think 9/11 were crap but the only one I generally wouldn’t start very often (as things stand) would be Bailey, but I thought that before the game. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: 85kota on August 19, 2023, 12:00:15 PM
			

			

				9/11 were crap talk about understatement of the century
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 19, 2023, 12:07:11 PM
			

			

				9/11 was a bummer, man.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 19, 2023, 12:09:28 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on August 19, 2023, 11:59:01 AM
There’s a difference between blaming players for a loss and saying they should be replaced. Rissos comment is tongue in cheek and I’ve not seen anyone say players should be replaced on the strength of just that performance. For instance I think 9/11 were crap but the only one I generally wouldn’t start very often (as things stand) would be Bailey, but I thought that before the game.

I know Risso's comment was tongue in cheek, but that doesn't mean I can't reply to it with a serious comment. I'm not going to trawl through a week of posts in multiple threads to back up my point, but I have seen people using Saturday's game as "proof" that Watkins isn't good enough, that Cash is rubbish, that we should sell Kamara to Liverpool if they want him, that Bailey shouldn't be anywhere near the starting 11, that Konsa only functions with Mings pulling his strings, and other such things. 

People are entitled to their opinions, and maybe even some of them are 100% right in them, but the point stands, people have very definitive opinions about certain players and they will use what was an entire team capitulation for 30 minutes to lump blame on whichever player they already want out of the team. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: 85kota on August 19, 2023, 12:11:15 PM
			

			

				There's a time and a place for sensible but being a football fan ain't one take a chill pill
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 19, 2023, 12:13:21 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: 85kota on August 19, 2023, 12:00:15 PM
9/11 were crap talk about understatement of the century

You think it was more? Or did you mean overstatement?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on August 19, 2023, 12:15:12 PM
			

			

				Even if you don't think Cash should be replaced, he still doesn't have any direct competition since Young was released. Konsa or Chambers "doing a job" there doesn't cut it for me.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: 85kota on August 19, 2023, 12:15:14 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 19, 2023, 12:13:21 PM
Quote from: 85kota on August 19, 2023, 12:00:15 PM
9/11 were crap talk about understatement of the century

You think it was more? Or did you mean overstatement?

I'd say 3,000 people dying was definitely more than crap
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on August 19, 2023, 12:15:23 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 19, 2023, 12:09:28 PM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on August 19, 2023, 11:59:01 AM
There’s a difference between blaming players for a loss and saying they should be replaced. Rissos comment is tongue in cheek and I’ve not seen anyone say players should be replaced on the strength of just that performance. For instance I think 9/11 were crap but the only one I generally wouldn’t start very often (as things stand) would be Bailey, but I thought that before the game.

I know Risso's comment was tongue in cheek, but that doesn't mean I can't reply to it with a serious comment. I'm not going to trawl through a week of posts in multiple threads to back up my point, but I have seen people using Saturday's game as "proof" that Watkins isn't good enough, that Cash is rubbish, that we should sell Kamara to Liverpool if they want him, that Bailey shouldn't be anywhere near the starting 11, that Konsa only functions with Mings pulling his strings, and other such things. 

People are entitled to their opinions, and maybe even some of them are 100% right in them, but the point stands, people have very definitive opinions about certain players and they will use what was an entire team capitulation for 30 minutes to lump blame on whichever player they already want out of the team.
Yes people are entitled to their opinions.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 19, 2023, 12:16:09 PM
			

			

				9/11 should be sold? 9/11 should be shot?

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 19, 2023, 12:16:59 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: 85kota on August 19, 2023, 12:15:14 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 19, 2023, 12:13:21 PM
Quote from: 85kota on August 19, 2023, 12:00:15 PM
9/11 were crap talk about understatement of the century

You think it was more? Or did you mean overstatement?

I'd say 3,000 people dying was definitely more than crap

Oh righto, silly me.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 19, 2023, 12:17:44 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: 85kota on August 19, 2023, 12:15:14 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 19, 2023, 12:13:21 PM
Quote from: 85kota on August 19, 2023, 12:00:15 PM
9/11 were crap talk about understatement of the century

You think it was more? Or did you mean overstatement?

I'd say 3,000 people dying was definitely more than crap

Oh I see.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 19, 2023, 12:20:33 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: 85kota on August 19, 2023, 12:11:15 PM
There's a time and a place for sensible but being a football fan ain't one take a chill pill

It's called having a discussion. Something it seems a lot of people are incapable of doing.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 19, 2023, 12:23:04 PM
			

			

				Fucking hell this ones turned a bit bizarre in the last half an hour. Comical really.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ads on August 19, 2023, 12:23:38 PM
			

			

				The Abe Simpson gif. comes to mind with this thread.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 19, 2023, 12:24:33 PM
			

			

				Or Roger Irrelevant perhaps ?

Wibble, wibble, wibble. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on August 19, 2023, 12:26:16 PM
			

			

				Very. Can we get back on topic about gently discussing who we might buy/ not buy, and let it meander away please. The whole 9/11 stuff seems wildly out of context for what was a post about how many were rubbish last week. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SamTheMouse on August 19, 2023, 12:43:16 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: 85kota on August 19, 2023, 12:00:15 PM
9/11 were crap talk about understatement of the century

Absolutely. Boyzone, Blue and Backstreet Boys can fuck off, too.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on August 19, 2023, 12:48:25 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: SamTheMouse on August 19, 2023, 12:43:16 PM
Quote from: 85kota on August 19, 2023, 12:00:15 PM
9/11 were crap talk about understatement of the century

Absolutely. Boyzone, Blue and Backstreet Boys can fuck off, too.

And Brother Beyond. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on August 19, 2023, 12:54:34 PM
			

			

				AV84 is correct in saying people blame bad team performances on the players they have an agenda with 

I do it all the time

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 19, 2023, 12:57:29 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: john e on August 19, 2023, 12:54:34 PM
AV84 is correct in saying people blame bad team performances on the players they have an agenda with 

I do it all the time

😄 

And to be fair, the only point I was trying to make was I don't think we should be judging the success of our transfer window off the back of who people want to personally blame for last Saturday's performance. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on August 19, 2023, 01:02:26 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 19, 2023, 12:57:29 PM
Quote from: john e on August 19, 2023, 12:54:34 PM
AV84 is correct in saying people blame bad team performances on the players they have an agenda with 

I do it all the time

😄 

And to be fair, the only point I was trying to make was I don't think we should be judging the success of our transfer window off the back of who people want to personally blame for last Saturday's performance. 

And why not indeed.

Surprised Walker Peters is still at Southampton. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on August 19, 2023, 01:04:15 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: SamTheMouse on August 19, 2023, 12:43:16 PM
Quote from: 85kota on August 19, 2023, 12:00:15 PM
9/11 were crap talk about understatement of the century

Absolutely. Boyzone, Blue and Backstreet Boys can fuck off, too.
Public Enemy were saying they were a joke a good 5 years before they were formed. Chuck D is a hip hop shaman. Truth.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: not3bad on August 19, 2023, 01:12:40 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clampy on August 19, 2023, 12:48:25 PM
Quote from: SamTheMouse on August 19, 2023, 12:43:16 PM
Quote from: 85kota on August 19, 2023, 12:00:15 PM
9/11 were crap talk about understatement of the century

Absolutely. Boyzone, Blue and Backstreet Boys can fuck off, too.

And Brother Beyond. 

And the Beatles
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on August 19, 2023, 01:19:23 PM
			

			

				If Coutinho leaves, I suspect we will look for another replacement, especially if Dendonker goes too.  I know they play in different positions but the numbers are important with the amount of games we might end up playing.   If both go, I wonder if we might end up going for Guendouzi after all. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 19, 2023, 01:49:22 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: john e on August 19, 2023, 12:54:34 PM
AV84 is correct in saying people blame bad team performances on the players they have an agenda with 

I do it all the time


The Newcastle result was all Olsen's fault. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on August 19, 2023, 02:14:35 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on August 19, 2023, 01:19:23 PM
If Coutinho leaves, I suspect we will look for another replacement, especially if Dendonker goes too.  I know they play in different positions but the numbers are important with the amount of games we might end up playing.   If both go, I wonder if we might end up going for Guendouzi after all. 

Still think he'd be a useful addition.

Got to remember that the Saudi transfer window is open 3 weeks after ours closes too, which could create some issues and opportunities. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: 85kota on August 19, 2023, 02:17:56 PM
			

			

				If a window is open for the Saudis but not for us how does that work? We can sell but not buy?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on August 19, 2023, 02:24:02 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: 85kota on August 19, 2023, 02:17:56 PM
If a window is open for the Saudis but not for us how does that work? We can sell but not buy?

Yup…Chelsea deadwood hoovering incoming along with trying to destabilise the clubs around Chelsea and Newcastle probably
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on August 19, 2023, 02:35:15 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Gareth on August 19, 2023, 02:24:02 PM
Quote from: 85kota on August 19, 2023, 02:17:56 PM
If a window is open for the Saudis but not for us how does that work? We can sell but not buy?

Yup…Chelsea deadwood hoovering incoming along with trying to destabilise the clubs around Chelsea and Newcastle probably

Exactly. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: 85kota on August 19, 2023, 02:39:42 PM
			

			

				What opportunities does that give us then getting rid of someone?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 19, 2023, 02:47:01 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: 85kota on August 19, 2023, 02:39:42 PM
What opportunities does that give us then getting rid of someone?

Suppose it means we can hang onto someone until the very end of the window of we're not sure about getting a replacement. For example it sounds like we're willing to let Digne go, and Saudi are interested, but we don't want to let him go until we get a replacement. We can go right up to the closing of the window in trying to sign someone and not have to worry about being left "stuck" with Digne because there's two weeks left to get that deal done. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john2710 on August 19, 2023, 02:48:11 PM
			

			

				If & it's a big if, we off-load Couthino, Digne, Traore, A Ramsay & Archer, that's a significant amount off the wage bill & transfer fees.

I'd imagine Davis & Hause, if anyone will risk him, will go for one last loan 

It could fund 2 or 3 significant additions. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: jwarry on August 19, 2023, 03:58:36 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: john2710 on August 19, 2023, 02:48:11 PM
If & it's a big if, we off-load Couthino, Digne, Traore, A Ramsay & Archer, that's a significant amount off the wage bill & transfer fees.

I'd imagine Davis & Hause, if anyone will risk him, will go for one last loan 

It could fund 2 or 3 significant additions. 

I don’t think funds are the problem, it’s FFP
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: oldtimernow on August 19, 2023, 04:03:11 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ozzjim on August 19, 2023, 01:02:26 PM
Quote from: AV84 on August 19, 2023, 12:57:29 PM
Quote from: john e on August 19, 2023, 12:54:34 PM
AV84 is correct in saying people blame bad team performances on the players they have an agenda with 

I do it all the time

😄 

And to be fair, the only point I was trying to make was I don't think we should be judging the success of our transfer window off the back of who people want to personally blame for last Saturday's performance. 

And why not indeed.

Surprised Walker Peters is still at Southampton. 

Well worth a punt 🤔
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Goldenballs on August 19, 2023, 04:09:30 PM
			

			

				We must have a RB in mind, or at least on the to do list, or we wouldn't have let Ash go. I hope. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: CT Villan on August 19, 2023, 05:05:37 PM
			

			

				With the current squad I think we are good for challenging for 6th-7th, but with Emery's stated ambitions we need competition for Watkins and Cash at a minimum.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: trinityoap on August 19, 2023, 05:34:42 PM
			

			

				Does Emery really see something in Olsen that everyone else misses?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on August 19, 2023, 05:56:02 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: trinityoap on August 19, 2023, 05:34:42 PM
Does Emery really see something in Olsen that everyone else misses?

I doubt it, just at this point (in terms of what we see publicly which is not a lot) he doesn’t seem to be prioritising replacing him - if we don’t it’s the same calculated gamble as with Ollie staying fit after letting Ings go and Cam go on loan in Jan.

I’m just hoping that in the last few days of the window either someone comes in for Olsen or we announce a signing out of the blue - Emery, Monchi and the keeper coach will have a list of keepers who can play the way they want them to play…fingers crossed it happens.

Fortunately other clubs scouts won’t read here, they’ll see a guy who is still first choice for Sweden :-)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dave shelley on August 19, 2023, 05:59:14 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: trinityoap on August 19, 2023, 05:34:42 PM
Does Emery really see something in Olsen that everyone else misses?

I think Olsen misses everything Emery sees.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 19, 2023, 06:03:22 PM
			

			

				I've said it before, I'll say it again, I just don't think we're in a position to get in a keeper of the calibre that everyone seems to want. Anyone who is good enough is already playing for someone as 1st choice, or is already 2nd choice at a team that can offer them the same amount of games as we can. 

I think it's a case of them not wanting to just sign someone for the sake of signing someone, and then ending up not actually being an improvement on Olsen. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: not3bad on August 19, 2023, 06:27:28 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: trinityoap on August 19, 2023, 05:34:42 PM
Does Emery really see something in Olsen that everyone else misses?

Well if Emery saw something in Olsen's Missus that would explain a lot.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 19, 2023, 09:08:47 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 19, 2023, 06:03:22 PM
I've said it before, I'll say it again, I just don't think we're in a position to get in a keeper of the calibre that everyone seems to want. Anyone who is good enough is already playing for someone as 1st choice, or is already 2nd choice at a team that can offer them the same amount of games as we can. 

I think it's a case of them not wanting to just sign someone for the sake of signing someone, and then ending up not actually being an improvement on Olsen. 

How did those teams who have the decent second choices get them, in that case?

Let’s do whatever they did. 

The suggestion that it is not possible to have a better second choice than Olsen just doesn’t stand up. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: TelfordVilla on August 19, 2023, 09:15:35 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 19, 2023, 09:08:47 PM
Quote from: AV84 on August 19, 2023, 06:03:22 PM
I've said it before, I'll say it again, I just don't think we're in a position to get in a keeper of the calibre that everyone seems to want. Anyone who is good enough is already playing for someone as 1st choice, or is already 2nd choice at a team that can offer them the same amount of games as we can. 

I think it's a case of them not wanting to just sign someone for the sake of signing someone, and then ending up not actually being an improvement on Olsen. 

How did those teams who have the decent second choices get them, in that case?

Let’s do whatever they did. 

The suggestion that it is not possible to have a better second choice than Olsen just doesn’t stand up. 
You get 2 quality keepers when they both think they are good enough to be number 1. Who is going to think they are as good as Emi?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 19, 2023, 09:20:01 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 19, 2023, 09:08:47 PM
Quote from: AV84 on August 19, 2023, 06:03:22 PM
I've said it before, I'll say it again, I just don't think we're in a position to get in a keeper of the calibre that everyone seems to want. Anyone who is good enough is already playing for someone as 1st choice, or is already 2nd choice at a team that can offer them the same amount of games as we can. 

I think it's a case of them not wanting to just sign someone for the sake of signing someone, and then ending up not actually being an improvement on Olsen. 

How did those teams who have the decent second choices get them, in that case?

Let’s do whatever they did. 

The suggestion that it is not possible to have a better second choice than Olsen just doesn’t stand up. 

Often there’s an old pro on the bench.  Navas was on loan at Forest last year so wonder of that is an option.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 19, 2023, 09:20:46 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 19, 2023, 09:08:47 PM

How did those teams who have the decent second choices get them, in that case?

Let’s do whatever they did. 

The suggestion that it is not possible to have a better second choice than Olsen just doesn’t stand up.

A lot of them identified and signed players when they were younger and brought them on through loans or playing them in cups. 

I'm not saying it's impossible to have a second keeper who is nearly as good as your first, but we are clearly not in that position, and our academy hasn't produced anyone as of yet that could make the step up now. Although I see Sinisalo has conceded 1 goal in 4 games for Exeter. 

And as I've said before, Martinez is so good that you're going to need someone of a really high quality to ensure there's no drop off there if he's missing. At the moment I think our best bet would be to find an older keeper who has experience on his side, and could do a job for a handful of games, while we're trying to identify and bring in a future #1. 


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 19, 2023, 09:24:52 PM
			

			

				There didn’t have to be no drop of in quality from Martinez. 

There just needs to be someone who doesn’t have crisp bags for hands like Olsen does. 

Steer would have been a better option, even. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: danno on August 19, 2023, 09:25:45 PM
			

			

				Steer wouldn’t be an improvement on anybody if he’s still injured and unable to play.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 19, 2023, 09:30:07 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: danno on August 19, 2023, 09:25:45 PM
Steer wouldn’t be an improvement on anybody if he’s still injured and unable to play.

I know, I am talking about a fit Steer, ie a player of that level. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 19, 2023, 09:30:08 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 19, 2023, 09:24:52 PM
There didn’t have to be no drop of in quality from Martinez. 

There just needs to be someone who doesn’t have crisp bags for hands like Olsen does. 

Steer would have been a better option, even.

Not as bad as the current guy shouldn't be our recruitment policy, in my opinion. I'd rather hang on until January if that meant signing someone of a high standard. And ideally there should be as little drop off as possible from your first choice keeper to your second choice, which is difficult to achieve, but other clubs have done it, and I'd rather wait and spend money well than buy anyone at all just to get Olsen out of the way.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 19, 2023, 09:31:35 PM
			

			

				I feel that, should Martinez get a long term injury, that would effectively be our season over, Olsen is so poor. 

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 19, 2023, 09:32:54 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 19, 2023, 09:30:08 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 19, 2023, 09:24:52 PM
There didn’t have to be no drop of in quality from Martinez. 

There just needs to be someone who doesn’t have crisp bags for hands like Olsen does. 

Steer would have been a better option, even.

Not as bad as the current guy shouldn't be our recruitment policy, in my opinion. I'd rather hang on until January if that meant signing someone of a high standard. And ideally there should be as little drop off as possible from your first choice keeper to your second choice, which is difficult to achieve, but other clubs have done it, and I'd rather wait and spend money well than buy anyone at all just to get Olsen out of the way.

Better than the current guy should be it. 

The level of Olsen is so laughably poor, that shouldn’t even be that difficult. 


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: danno on August 19, 2023, 09:33:10 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 19, 2023, 09:31:35 PM
I feel that, should Martinez get a long term injury, that would effectively be our season over, Olsen is so poor.

Are we not allowed an emergency loan in that scenario?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: KevinGage on August 19, 2023, 09:33:44 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: trinityoap on August 19, 2023, 05:34:42 PM
Does Emery really see something in Olsen that everyone else misses?

There were links earlier in the window with one of the younger keepers at Yanited. 

Maybe it's a case of Emery publicly backing in Olsen (in case we need him between now and the end of the window) and privately working like stink to move him on.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 19, 2023, 09:37:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: danno on August 19, 2023, 09:33:10 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 19, 2023, 09:31:35 PM
I feel that, should Martinez get a long term injury, that would effectively be our season over, Olsen is so poor.

Are we not allowed an emergency loan in that scenario?

Why would we be allowed that?

On the basis our second choice keeper is shit and the first choice is out?


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 19, 2023, 09:37:41 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 19, 2023, 09:32:54 PM
Better than the current guy should be it. 

The level of Olsen is so laughably poor, that shouldn’t even be that difficult.

I don't think we should be using Olsen as the criteria for the new keeper at all. The thinking should be how much do we suffer if Martinez is out, and can he challenge Martinez for the 1 shirt in a season or so. If we can't bring in someone like that this window then I don't see what difference bringing in someone slightly better than Olsen will make. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: danno on August 19, 2023, 09:39:49 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 19, 2023, 09:37:18 PM
Quote from: danno on August 19, 2023, 09:33:10 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 19, 2023, 09:31:35 PM
I feel that, should Martinez get a long term injury, that would effectively be our season over, Olsen is so poor.

Are we not allowed an emergency loan in that scenario?

Why would we be allowed that?

On the basis our second choice keeper is shit and the first choice is out?

I thought we got Reina in similar circumstances.
Although it’s probably more because Heaton got injured in January 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on August 19, 2023, 09:40:52 PM
			

			

				Emery has a couple of blind spots it seems - back up  keeper, nr 9, RB 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on August 19, 2023, 09:42:52 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: VillaTim on August 19, 2023, 09:40:52 PM
Emery has a couple of blind spots it seems - back up  keeper, nr 9, RB

Perhaps wait till window shuts first?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on August 19, 2023, 10:00:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: VillaTim on August 19, 2023, 09:40:52 PM
Emery has a couple of blind spots it seems - back up  keeper, nr 9, RB 
Make your mind up, is it 2 or 3?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on August 19, 2023, 10:03:36 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 19, 2023, 09:31:35 PM
I feel that, should Martinez get a long term injury, that would effectively be our season over, Olsen is so poor. 
No, honestly no. Martinez is not as great as we make him and Olsen is not as bad as we seem to suggest on here. We are ok in goal keeping positions. A very good number 1 and a good back up as good as almost all other teams except maybe 2/3.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on August 19, 2023, 10:06:05 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: olaftab on August 19, 2023, 10:03:36 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 19, 2023, 09:31:35 PM
I feel that, should Martinez get a long term injury, that would effectively be our season over, Olsen is so poor. 
No, honestly no. Martinez is not as great as we make him and Olsen is not as bad as we seem to suggest on here. We are ok in goal keeping positions. A very good number 1 and a good back up as good as almost all other teams except maybe 2/3.

Sorry again that’s just not true. Martinez is exceptionally important to the - it’s not just his ability, but it is very evident that the defence loses confidence when he doesn’t play.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on August 19, 2023, 10:09:39 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: olaftab on August 19, 2023, 10:03:36 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 19, 2023, 09:31:35 PM
I feel that, should Martinez get a long term injury, that would effectively be our season over, Olsen is so poor. 
No, honestly no. Martinez is not as great as we make him and Olsen is not as bad as we seem to suggest on here. We are ok in goal keeping positions. A very good number 1 and a good back up as good as almost all other teams except maybe 2/3.

I'd rather have Martinez than almost any other keeper in the Premier League.  Part of the problem here is that there is such a wide gap between our first choice and back-up.  If only Martinez wasn't quite as good as he is would Olsen not seem to be so shit.   So, to sum up, I agree about Olsen, I don't think he's quite as bad as we suggest, but Emi is absolutely brilliant and deserves to be on that pedal-stool. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: frank black on August 19, 2023, 10:10:12 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: olaftab on August 19, 2023, 10:03:36 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 19, 2023, 09:31:35 PM
I feel that, should Martinez get a long term injury, that would effectively be our season over, Olsen is so poor. 
No, honestly no. Martinez is not as great as we make him and Olsen is not as bad as we seem to suggest on here. We are ok in goal keeping positions. A very good number 1 and a good back up as good as almost all other teams except maybe 2/3.

Olsen is appalling. I have no clue how anyone would think otherwise. He scares the bejesus out of me, all my fellow Villa supporting friends and evidently the defenders in his own team.
But it looks like we need to priortise, so Unai is rolling the dice.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 19, 2023, 10:10:59 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 19, 2023, 09:37:41 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 19, 2023, 09:32:54 PM
Better than the current guy should be it. 

The level of Olsen is so laughably poor, that shouldn’t even be that difficult.

I don't think we should be using Olsen as the criteria for the new keeper at all. The thinking should be how much do we suffer if Martinez is out, and can he challenge Martinez for the 1 shirt in a season or so. If we can't bring in someone like that this window then I don't see what difference bringing in someone slightly better than Olsen will make. 

You are taking what I said literally. 

Slightly better than Olsen is not what I want. 

I want to have someone less terrifying than he is. 

We need a better back up keeper than we have. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 19, 2023, 10:18:58 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 19, 2023, 10:10:59 PM

You are taking what I said literally. 

Slightly better than Olsen is not what I want. 

I want to have someone less terrifying than he is. 

We need a better back up keeper than we have.

Yes, I agree we need a better back up, I just don't think it's an easy position to fill, and as the post immediately before yours says, we seem to be prioritising other positions and are going to roll the dice with the keepers. It's risky, but if we have enough quality outfield it should offset the risk the odd time Olsen plays. 


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villa for life on August 19, 2023, 10:20:08 PM
			

			

				I think Martinez is decent but not great, and Olsen is atrocious

I’m pretty sure this position will be sorted soonish.. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: frank black on August 19, 2023, 10:25:23 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: villa for life on August 19, 2023, 10:20:08 PM
I think Martinez is decent but not great, and Olsen is atrocious

I’m pretty sure this position will be sorted soonish.. 

Martinez is decent, but not great. An interesting opinion on a World Cup winning GK playing for a 7th placed premier league team. 

I think he’s probably the best keeper we’ve had since Bosnich and in reality probably the best ever.

Not getting an half decent second GK, is a shocker. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 19, 2023, 10:43:03 PM
			

			

				How about Cole Plamer as a late wild card to replace Buendia?  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on August 19, 2023, 10:45:54 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: olaftab on August 19, 2023, 10:00:17 PM
Quote from: VillaTim on August 19, 2023, 09:40:52 PM
Emery has a couple of blind spots it seems - back up  keeper, nr 9, RB 
Make your mind up, is it 2 or 3?
I know Emery is above criticism, and he has banked loads of goodwill, but those 3 holes need filler before 1sept which is now only 2 weeks away 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on August 19, 2023, 11:25:48 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: frank black on August 19, 2023, 10:25:23 PM
Quote from: villa for life on August 19, 2023, 10:20:08 PM
I think Martinez is decent but not great, and Olsen is atrocious

I’m pretty sure this position will be sorted soonish.. 

Martinez is decent, but not great.

If Martinez tops out at decent, who on earth are the keepers that are great?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on August 19, 2023, 11:47:51 PM
			

			

				Indeed it’s nonsense. We shouldn’t dismiss the quality or importance of Martinez. He’s a top goalkeeper.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 19, 2023, 11:52:55 PM
			

			

				Leeds are looking to sell Meslier before the window closes. Didn't have a great end to last season, conceded 22 goals in 9 games in April, but was decent, I think, before Leeds went to absolute shit. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on August 20, 2023, 12:38:24 AM
			

			

				Lot of potential, but lot of mistakes in Meslier.

Unfortunately centre half, centre forward and right back are more pressing than reserve keeper right now thanks to our horrible luck , but in time we have to get one better than Olsen. I'd genuinely prefer Nyland. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on August 20, 2023, 01:13:08 AM
			

			

				Messier has a very punchable face , he's also not very good in goals. No thanks 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ROBBO on August 20, 2023, 02:21:38 AM
			

			

				Looking for the impossible,any decent goalkeeper will be wanting the number one spot, when we have, probably, the best in the world, apart from a promising youngster who else will be satisfied with playing half a dozen games a year.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on August 20, 2023, 08:42:06 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ROBBO on August 20, 2023, 02:21:38 AM
Looking for the impossible,any decent goalkeeper will be wanting the number one spot, when we have, probably, the best in the world, apart from a promising youngster who else will be satisfied with playing half a dozen games a year.

We should have a lot of Euro games to offer a good backup keeper this season. It's not the worst no.2 spot going. Kelleher at Liverpool can play the sweeper keeper system Emery likes and was looking for a move earlier in the summer. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 20, 2023, 08:49:48 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: brontebilly on August 20, 2023, 08:42:06 AM

We should have a lot of Euro games to offer a good backup keeper this season. It's not the worst no.2 spot going. Kelleher at Liverpool can play the sweeper keeper system Emery likes and was looking for a move earlier in the summer.

Kelleher wanted a move to be #1 somewhere. We can't offer him any more gametime than Liverpool can.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Astnor on August 20, 2023, 09:42:36 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 20, 2023, 08:49:48 AM
Quote from: brontebilly on August 20, 2023, 08:42:06 AM

We should have a lot of Euro games to offer a good backup keeper this season. It's not the worst no.2 spot going. Kelleher at Liverpool can play the sweeper keeper system Emery likes and was looking for a move earlier in the summer.

Kelleher wanted a move to be #1 somewhere. We can't offer him any more gametime than Liverpool can.
Our former mistake and no 1 Nyland just gone to Sevilla as their back up keeper. Sevilla have Euro games I think. Goes on to show what you can get as back-up keeper for clubs with Euro games these days. I woudnt shift Olsen for Nyland. In fact Olsen aint that bad as second keeper IMO, he has had a mistake too often so far with us but also you can see (I think I do anyway) theres a potential there even in PL. I m much more stressed about lack of links to RB s. Then again Emery said in his presser I think that we would go with a CB there som of the games anyway so some relief there for me.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ian. on August 20, 2023, 10:46:12 AM
			

			

				Maybe Martinez has had a word with the boss and has asked him to let him play in the cup for us instead of just the league. He wants to win a trophy with us, he said that after the World Cup. He won’t feel part of it if he’s playing second fiddle during the cup.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on August 20, 2023, 10:46:32 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Astnor on August 20, 2023, 09:42:36 AM
Quote from: AV84 on August 20, 2023, 08:49:48 AM
Quote from: brontebilly on August 20, 2023, 08:42:06 AM

We should have a lot of Euro games to offer a good backup keeper this season. It's not the worst no.2 spot going. Kelleher at Liverpool can play the sweeper keeper system Emery likes and was looking for a move earlier in the summer.

Kelleher wanted a move to be #1 somewhere. We can't offer him any more gametime than Liverpool can.
Our former mistake and no 1 Nyland just gone to Sevilla as their back up keeper. Sevilla have Euro games I think. Goes on to show what you can get as back-up keeper for clubs with Euro games these days. I woudnt shift Olsen for Nyland. In fact Olsen aint that bad as second keeper IMO, he has had a mistake too often so far with us but also you can see (I think I do anyway) theres a potential there even in PL. I m much more stressed about lack of links to RB s. Then again Emery said in his presser I think that we would go with a CB there som of the games anyway so some relief there for me.
Tend to agree. We're going to struggle to find a 2nd choice goalkeeper where the drop off from Emi isn't huge, particularly as a team that hasn't competed at the highest level in Europe for 40 years - some time before any of the players we're aiming to attract were born.

IMO I'm fine with Olsen as back up keeper for now. If an upgrade is available on the cheap - great. But it's not something I'd get in a tizzy about.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 20, 2023, 11:05:08 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ian. on August 20, 2023, 10:46:12 AM
Maybe Martinez has had a word with the boss and has asked him to let him play in the cup for us instead of just the league. He wants to win a trophy with us, he said that after the World Cup. He won’t feel part of it if he’s playing second fiddle during the cup.

The assumption from a lot of people seems to be that Olsen will play all games that aren't the league, basically. Obviously we don't know what the actual plans are, but that seems excessive and unfounded. 

If I was making assumptions it would be that Martinez would be playing European and League games. Olsen will probably play Carabao Cup, and then FA Cup will be assessed game by game depending on opposition and other fixtures. 

It's as likely Olsen will play a handful of games this season as it is he'll play 15to20. In fact I think it's far more likely that's all he'll play.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SoccerHQ on August 20, 2023, 11:09:56 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 19, 2023, 11:52:55 PM
Leeds are looking to sell Meslier before the window closes. Didn't have a great end to last season, conceded 22 goals in 9 games in April, but was decent, I think, before Leeds went to absolute shit. 

Meslier must be one of the most overrated keepers I've ever seen. Even at championship level he concedes cheap goals like the one WBA scored on Friday.

I think a good pick up would've been Matt Turner who's already looked good for Forest and was excellent for US in the World Cup.

Would assume there's someone in Spanish league who'd be o.k coming as number 2, I think Soria from Getafe was mentioned a few weeks back and he's solid enough.

Guiata refusing to play for Palace so I'd take him aswell as he's a reasonably solid keeper in most aspects.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on August 20, 2023, 11:11:48 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 20, 2023, 11:05:08 AM
Quote from: Ian. on August 20, 2023, 10:46:12 AM
Maybe Martinez has had a word with the boss and has asked him to let him play in the cup for us instead of just the league. He wants to win a trophy with us, he said that after the World Cup. He won’t feel part of it if he’s playing second fiddle during the cup.

The assumption from a lot of people seems to be that Olsen will play all games that aren't the league, basically. Obviously we don't know what the actual plans are, but that seems excessive and unfounded. 

If I was making assumptions it would be that Martinez would be playing European and League games. Olsen will probably play Carabao Cup, and then FA Cup will be assessed game by game depending on opposition and other fixtures. 

It's as likely Olsen will play a handful of games this season as it is he'll play 15to20. In fact I think it's far more likely that's all he'll play.

So if we get a nice easy draw, of say a League Two side at home, Olsen will play as we shouldn't have too many problems with that.  Oh, hang on.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 20, 2023, 11:19:39 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: tomd2103 on August 20, 2023, 11:11:48 AM

So if we get a nice easy draw, of say a League Two side at home, Olsen will play as we shouldn't have too many problems with that.  Oh, hang on.

I get the point you're making there but I meant more that depending on what the league fixtures look like, and if we're still in Europe, it would be decided whether Martinez can play another game or if he needs the break. Man City just played 3 games in a week and Ederson played all 3. Its doable, especially for a keeper. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 20, 2023, 11:25:18 AM
			

			

				Seen us linked with a £12m bid for Rob Holding at Arsenal (albeit on a dubious Arsenal twitter account). Their fans seem delighted if it happens. 

I guess Emery knows him, and we need another defender now. Would rather Maguire out of those two. Pity Laporte went to Saudi as would have been ideal.

Edit.

Seeing a lot of reports that we are very close to agreeing a deal for Acuna now as well. That would give us a very strong pair of options at Left back.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on August 20, 2023, 11:31:52 AM
			

			

				Rob Holding. 12 million pounds. God no
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on August 20, 2023, 11:35:35 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on August 20, 2023, 11:25:18 AM
Seen us linked with a £12m bid for Rob Holding at Arsenal (albeit on a dubious Arsenal twitter account). Their fans seem delighted if it happens. 

I guess Emery knows him, and we need another defender now. Would rather Maguire out of those two. Pity Laporte went to Saudi as would have been ideal.

Edit.

Seeing a lot of reports that we are very close to agreeing a deal for Acuna now as well. That would give us a very strong pair of options at Left back.

Rob Holding?

No thanks. 

Not even if they gave us £12m.

One, he is shit. 

Two, he has as much pace as Maguire.

And three, & most importantly, he is shit... 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 20, 2023, 11:53:29 AM
			

			

				Rob Holding. That’s a blast from the past.

Is it fair to assume he’s a bit shit then?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SamTheMouse on August 20, 2023, 11:55:36 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on August 20, 2023, 11:53:29 AM
Rob Holding. That’s a blast from the past.

Is it fair to assume he’s a bit shit then?

He's absolute turd. A Championship player at best.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on August 20, 2023, 12:03:25 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 20, 2023, 11:19:39 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on August 20, 2023, 11:11:48 AM

So if we get a nice easy draw, of say a League Two side at home, Olsen will play as we shouldn't have too many problems with that.  Oh, hang on.

I get the point you're making there but I meant more that depending on what the league fixtures look like, and if we're still in Europe, it would be decided whether Martinez can play another game or if he needs the break. Man City just played 3 games in a week and Ederson played all 3. Its doable, especially for a keeper.

Sorry mate, wasn't having a pop at you.  It's just that if we can't trust Olsen in games like Stevenage at home, then I'm not sure when we can really.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 20, 2023, 12:20:36 PM
			

			

				Too slow in possession, they look quicker than us 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: TelfordVilla on August 20, 2023, 12:38:03 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on August 20, 2023, 12:20:36 PM
Too slow in possession, they look quicker than us 
 That's a bit harsh, we don't kick off until 2pm
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 20, 2023, 12:57:24 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: TelfordVilla on August 20, 2023, 12:38:03 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on August 20, 2023, 12:20:36 PM
Too slow in possession, they look quicker than us 
 That's a bit harsh, we don't kick off until 2pm


Ha ha sorry , wrong thread ,  i am still on holiday 😳
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ger Regan on August 20, 2023, 03:24:07 PM
			

			

				Romano linking us with Nuno Tavares. I know absolutely nothing about him.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 20, 2023, 03:46:33 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ger Regan on August 20, 2023, 03:24:07 PM
Romano linking us with Nuno Tavares. I know absolutely nothing about him.

Left back. Would mean Sevilla are still pissed at us over Acuña.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on August 20, 2023, 04:08:16 PM
			

			

				We need another attacker. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 20, 2023, 04:12:39 PM
			

			

				So now that's Mings, Buendia, Coutinho, JJ, Moreno all out, plus Zaniolo who is injured and also hasn't had a pre-season.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ger Regan on August 20, 2023, 04:15:36 PM
			

			

				Also, possibly Bailey. He was limping going towards the tunnel.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Matt C on August 20, 2023, 04:16:20 PM
			

			

				JPB off to Hull apparently which explains his absence today. Hope we’ve got someone else coming in… 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 20, 2023, 04:17:47 PM
			

			

				That's surprising, Philogene on a permanent move?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 20, 2023, 04:20:24 PM
			

			

				From the local paper up there so who knows how accurate

Quote
City owner Acun Ilicali is understood to have been personally involved in the deal and it's believed a permanent move for the winger is on the verge of being agreed upon after positive discussions with owner Nassef Sawiris.

Philogene has been a long-term target of boss Liam Rosenior, with City tracking the Hammersmith-born ace all summer and conversations with the Premier League club have been ongoing throughout.

A breakthrough in talks is thought to have come last week and the player is believed to be keen on the move with sources indicating the chance to play under Rosenior is a big factor, as is joining a club that are targeting promotion to the Premier League this season.


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ger Regan on August 20, 2023, 04:22:30 PM
			

			

				We'd need two more wide players in if we let him go. Doesn't seem worth the risk to me.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 20, 2023, 04:24:21 PM
			

			

				rumours Philligene signing for Hull
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 20, 2023, 04:28:39 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ger Regan on August 20, 2023, 03:24:07 PM
Romano linking us with Nuno Tavares. I know absolutely nothing about him.

Yup, it's been doing the rounds here, I really hope it's not true. He was second choice left back at Benfica and some some crazy reason Arsenal decided to pay money (€8m) for him. Benfica laughed all the way to the bank, if Arsenal had asked politely Benfica would have sent him there and paid for the taxi.

Crap at Arsenal, sent on loan to Marseille and after that I'd forgotten about him. Apparently he's just turned down a move to Forest which on a good day is about his level. Forest made an offer of £30m, he's worth maybe a tenth of that. Seriously, I can't see us being after him, it can only be paper talk as we're after a left back. If we are, NWSE need to call in the Fraud Squad.

Apparently we're only interested in a loan deal (with an option to buy), as is the player who didn't want to sign permanently for Forest.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: taylorsworkrate on August 20, 2023, 04:30:16 PM
			

			

				With the injuries and potential sales the squad is starting to look a bit bare now. Would expect at least a couple more in before the end of the window
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on August 20, 2023, 04:44:33 PM
			

			

				After Philogene-Bidace impressed during the summer, I was expecting him to stay. 

I wonder if they will change their minds on him & Aaron Ramsey now given the injuries we have piled up....
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on August 20, 2023, 04:46:00 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: taylorsworkrate on August 20, 2023, 04:30:16 PM
With the injuries and potential sales the squad is starting to look a bit bare now. Would expect at least a couple more in before the end of the window

Yes we need another two in at least.

Watkins was poor today again. Desperately need another striker. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: taylorsworkrate on August 20, 2023, 04:46:03 PM
			

			

				In fairness after the injuries today id expect a change of decision regarding JPB too
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on August 20, 2023, 05:00:35 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ger Regan on August 20, 2023, 03:24:07 PM
Romano linking us with Nuno Tavares. I know absolutely nothing about him.

Hes shit.

Has such physical power & pace, but lacks technique & brainpower to do anything with it. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 20, 2023, 05:32:43 PM
			

			

				One Felix would do it. A genuine upgrade and can play up top and as an attacking midfielder, Diaby going wide if needed.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SoccerHQ on August 20, 2023, 05:45:13 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 20, 2023, 04:12:39 PM
So now that's Mings, Buendia, Coutinho, JJ, Moreno all out, plus Zaniolo who is injured and also hasn't had a pre-season.

We really really need Ramsey back as based on strong end to last season he's a cert for the left to balance things up.

Based on the O/S update though probably won't see much of him until October.

Think main tactic will be just to create midfield overloads and get the ball quickly to Diaby and let him create stuff.

We certainly should be in no hurry to sell Digne either as he was an excellent attacking outlet today and can do the same v Hibs and Burnley.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SoccerHQ on August 20, 2023, 05:45:53 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Matt C on August 20, 2023, 04:16:20 PM
JPB off to Hull apparently which explains his absence today. Hope we’ve got someone else coming in… 

Bit of an odd loan move, surely Luton or Sheffield United would fancy him?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 20, 2023, 05:49:16 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: SoccerHQ on August 20, 2023, 05:45:53 PM
Quote from: Matt C on August 20, 2023, 04:16:20 PM
JPB off to Hull apparently which explains his absence today. Hope we’ve got someone else coming in… 

Bit of an odd loan move, surely Luton or Sheffield United would fancy him?

It’s a perm. Even odder 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on August 20, 2023, 05:52:08 PM
			

			

				A lot of odd things at the moment. We must have a couple of attacking options coming in. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 20, 2023, 05:52:52 PM
			

			

				Gonzalo Montiel is expected to have a medical at Nottingham Forest on Monday ahead of completing a transfer to the City Ground.

£11  million 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on August 20, 2023, 05:56:30 PM
			

			

				Digne close to joining Nice being reported
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: taylorsworkrate on August 20, 2023, 05:59:29 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: VillaTim on August 20, 2023, 05:56:30 PM
Digne close to joining Nice being reported

Would suggest Acuna or another LB is imminent
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on August 20, 2023, 05:59:47 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: VillaTim on August 20, 2023, 05:56:30 PM
Digne close to joining Nice being reported

Where?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 20, 2023, 06:00:51 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: VillaTim on August 20, 2023, 05:56:30 PM
Digne close to joining Nice being reported

Where was it he was supposed to be flying off to during the week?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SoccerHQ on August 20, 2023, 06:21:04 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 20, 2023, 05:49:16 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on August 20, 2023, 05:45:53 PM
Quote from: Matt C on August 20, 2023, 04:16:20 PM
JPB off to Hull apparently which explains his absence today. Hope we’ve got someone else coming in… 

Bit of an odd loan move, surely Luton or Sheffield United would fancy him?

It’s a perm. Even odder 

Hull surely haven't got the finance to pay a big fee for him?

Obviously based more on potential but I'd be looking at 5-10m fee for him as he has looked good in championship when fit.

Just selling him for a couple of million would be odd one, I agree.

Completely different to Burnley putting down 12m for Ramsey.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 20, 2023, 06:21:15 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 20, 2023, 06:00:51 PM
Quote from: VillaTim on August 20, 2023, 05:56:30 PM
Digne close to joining Nice being reported

Where was it he was supposed to be flying off to during the week?

Nice. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SoccerHQ on August 20, 2023, 06:27:42 PM
			

			

				Ferran Torres still can't make Barca starting 11 despite them having loads of injuries/suspensions.

One of those where both clubs would be happy to do a deal but the player is like Felix and feels we're beneath his ability/level.

Still could be possibility of a late loan move perhaps?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 20, 2023, 06:30:54 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: SoccerHQ on August 20, 2023, 06:27:42 PM
Ferran Torres still can't make Barca starting 11 despite them having loads of injuries/suspensions.

One of those where both clubs would be happy to do a deal but the player is like Felix and feels we're beneath his ability/level.

Still could be possibility of a late loan move perhaps?

This is apparently how Zaniolo ended up at Galatasary last January. He tried to get a move to the Prem but in the end the only place he could go was Turkey, and he wanted out of Roma enough to make that move. There's several big name players holding out at the moment and it'll be interesting to see where they end up. Felix is apparently trying to get his contract terminated, which would make him more affordable, I guess, for someone else.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 20, 2023, 06:32:22 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 20, 2023, 05:59:47 PM
Quote from: VillaTim on August 20, 2023, 05:56:30 PM
Digne close to joining Nice being reported

Where?

It's in France.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AlexAlexCropley on August 20, 2023, 06:33:25 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on August 20, 2023, 06:32:22 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 20, 2023, 05:59:47 PM
Quote from: VillaTim on August 20, 2023, 05:56:30 PM
Digne close to joining Nice being reported

Where?

It's in France.
Lovely biscuits
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on August 20, 2023, 06:45:15 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AlexAlexCropley on August 20, 2023, 06:33:25 PM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on August 20, 2023, 06:32:22 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 20, 2023, 05:59:47 PM
Quote from: VillaTim on August 20, 2023, 05:56:30 PM
Digne close to joining Nice being reported

Where?

It's in France.
Lovely biscuits
Never tried one. Are they nice?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on August 20, 2023, 06:49:14 PM
			

			

				I thought Digne was really good today, a constant threat down our left. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 20, 2023, 07:17:20 PM
			

			

				I'm not one to encourage moves to Saudi, and if Digne chose France over Saudi I'd applaud him, BUT....... if he's going to France he'll be off very soon. If we was going to Saudi we could drag it out a bit until Moreno is closer to playing again. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RamboandBruno on August 20, 2023, 07:22:51 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on August 20, 2023, 06:49:14 PM
I thought Digne was really good today, a constant threat down our left.
Along with McGinn and Dougie, i thought he was our best player. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SoccerHQ on August 20, 2023, 07:40:11 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 20, 2023, 07:17:20 PM
I'm not one to encourage moves to Saudi, and if Digne chose France over Saudi I'd applaud him, BUT....... if he's going to France he'll be off very soon. If we was going to Saudi we could drag it out a bit until Moreno is closer to playing again. 

I get the feeling that is the plan.

Behind the scenes move probably been agreed but no point letting him go until Moreno is fit and ready to play so might aswell keep him as he showed what he was about today with some magnificent crosses first half.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on August 20, 2023, 08:35:13 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: SoccerHQ on August 20, 2023, 05:45:13 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 20, 2023, 04:12:39 PM
So now that's Mings, Buendia, Coutinho, JJ, Moreno all out, plus Zaniolo who is injured and also hasn't had a pre-season.

We really really need Ramsey back as based on strong end to last season he's a cert for the left to balance things up.

Based on the O/S update though probably won't see much of him until October.

Think main tactic will be just to create midfield overloads and get the ball quickly to Diaby and let him create stuff.

We certainly should be in no hurry to sell Digne either as he was an excellent attacking outlet today and can do the same v Hibs and Burnley.

He was great today in than interstellar space sized gap they left open on that side.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Matt C on August 20, 2023, 08:38:48 PM
			

			

				Digne potentially off on loan with option to buy according to Fabrizio. Assume we’re pretty confident of a left back signing if that’s the case.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on August 20, 2023, 08:41:34 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Matt C on August 20, 2023, 08:38:48 PM
Digne potentially off on loan with option to buy according to Fabrizio. Assume we’re pretty confident of a left back signing if that’s the case.

Well they better be pretty bloody good or I see little point - unless it allows us to strengthen a couple of positions.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 20, 2023, 08:45:02 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 20, 2023, 08:41:34 PM

Well they better be pretty bloody good or I see little point - unless it allows us to strengthen a couple of positions.

Its only been one game*, I suppose, but I was worried about Moreno being out and Digne has more than stepped up. Other than him apparently being on "big" wages, I don't see why we'd be getting rid of him.


*ignoring last week where everyone was shit
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 20, 2023, 08:49:53 PM
			

			

				sounded like Nice wouldnt be paying all the wages , Saudi would have helped us more financially in paying all the wages and a decent fee , more than Nice  but Im sure the club know what they are doing.

He played very well today.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on August 20, 2023, 08:52:00 PM
			

			

				I don't dislike Digne, I just find him average. It's a pity we haven't seen more of the kind of performances he put in today, first half especially. He was great. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 20, 2023, 08:52:09 PM
			

			

				I thought Digne was ok anyway but today he was excellent. You wouldn’t want him to go on the basis of that but I’d surmise that he doesn’t want to be second choice left back and with his high wages it’s probably in everyone’s best interests. Also, it sounds like Acuna can play further forward as well as left back, therefore he’s not going to be in the same boat as Digne, ie if Moreno is fit he won’t likely play. In theory he could be in contention for a place in midfield as well as back up LB.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: N'ZMAV on August 20, 2023, 08:56:15 PM
			

			

				His best game for us today - he was outstanding 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: danno on August 20, 2023, 08:58:32 PM
			

			

				Was there a reason Everton decided not to mark him?  It was weird, he was free every time.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on August 20, 2023, 09:03:25 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on August 20, 2023, 06:32:22 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 20, 2023, 05:59:47 PM
Quote from: VillaTim on August 20, 2023, 05:56:30 PM
Digne close to joining Nice being reported

Where?

It's in France.
That's nice. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 20, 2023, 09:04:28 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: olaftab on August 20, 2023, 09:03:25 PM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on August 20, 2023, 06:32:22 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 20, 2023, 05:59:47 PM
Quote from: VillaTim on August 20, 2023, 05:56:30 PM
Digne close to joining Nice being reported

Where?

It's in France.
That's nice. 

Nice, Nice. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SamTheMouse on August 20, 2023, 09:30:30 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 20, 2023, 09:04:28 PM
Quote from: olaftab on August 20, 2023, 09:03:25 PM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on August 20, 2023, 06:32:22 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 20, 2023, 05:59:47 PM
Quote from: VillaTim on August 20, 2023, 05:56:30 PM
Digne close to joining Nice being reported
Where?
It's in France.
That's nice. 
Nice, Nice.

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				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: KevinGage on August 20, 2023, 09:31:23 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on August 20, 2023, 08:52:09 PM
I thought Digne was ok anyway but today he was excellent. You wouldn’t want him to go on the basis of that but I’d surmise that he doesn’t want to be second choice left back and with his high wages it’s probably in everyone’s best interests. 

Word is he wanted to fight for his place. But it's us willing to get him off the books. 

He's not exactly veteran/ perma injured status. So don't get the haste, personally. Particularly if we have to pay 40/50 per cent of his wages whilst he's at Nice.  And then he comes back next year anyway.  

How are we better off with that, if we've had to fork out for a new LB + wages during that time. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on August 20, 2023, 09:31:32 PM
			

			

				So Philogene, Aaron Ramsey and Digne all off somewhere else, with our injury list too, we must have another three of four coming in I would have thought. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 20, 2023, 09:35:04 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: KevinGage on August 20, 2023, 09:31:23 PM

Word is he wanted to fight for his place. But it's us willing to get him off the books. 

He's not exactly veteran/ perma injured status. So don't get the haste, personally. Particularly if we have to pay 40/50 per cent of his wages whilst he's at Nice.  And then he comes back next year anyway.  

How are we better off with that, if we've had to fork out for a new LB + wages during that time.

I made the point during the week that for someone who was second choice and being linked with a move away all summer, he was still really committed to the team in training and on the pitch. But it makes sense if he doesn't actually want to move. 

Maybe 120k a week or whatever he's on is too much to be paying a player who, when Moreno is fit, might only play a handful of full games. But still, feels an odd one. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 20, 2023, 09:37:21 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on August 20, 2023, 09:31:32 PM
So Philogene, Aaron Ramsey and Digne all off somewhere else, with our injury list too, we must have another three of four coming in I would have thought. 

If we do those deals, and don't get a few in, we are nuts.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on August 20, 2023, 09:42:16 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 20, 2023, 09:35:04 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on August 20, 2023, 09:31:23 PM

Word is he wanted to fight for his place. But it's us willing to get him off the books. 

He's not exactly veteran/ perma injured status. So don't get the haste, personally. Particularly if we have to pay 40/50 per cent of his wages whilst he's at Nice.  And then he comes back next year anyway.  

How are we better off with that, if we've had to fork out for a new LB + wages during that time.

I made the point during the week that for someone who was second choice and being linked with a move away all summer, he was still really committed to the team in training and on the pitch. But it makes sense if he doesn't actually want to move. 

Maybe 120k a week or whatever he's on is too much to be paying a player who, when Moreno is fit, might only play a handful of full games. But still, feels an odd one.
I can only assume its because they have another left back they really want.  I don't think its a reflection on Digne (who I thought was excellent today), rather a way of facilitating a transfer the club wants 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 20, 2023, 09:46:39 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Beard82 on August 20, 2023, 09:42:16 PM
I can only assume its because they have another left back they really want.  I don't think its a reflection on Digne (who I thought was excellent today), rather a way of facilitating a transfer the club wants

Yes, it seems like for whatever reason Emery isn't a fan. The first/only thing he did in January was bring in a replacement for that position, and now it looks like he doesn't want him as backup either. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Exeter 77 on August 20, 2023, 09:47:48 PM
			

			

				Presumably the left back they want is Acuňa and Digne going is dependent on him signing.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on August 20, 2023, 09:50:10 PM
			

			

				He obviously likes players who can get to the byeline, and are a bit more mobile.  I have been impressed with Digne under Unai - but clearly he isn't quite what he is looking for.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: curiousorange on August 20, 2023, 10:00:23 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 20, 2023, 09:04:28 PM
Quote from: olaftab on August 20, 2023, 09:03:25 PM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on August 20, 2023, 06:32:22 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 20, 2023, 05:59:47 PM
Quote from: VillaTim on August 20, 2023, 05:56:30 PM
Digne close to joining Nice being reported

Where?

It's in France.
That's nice. 

Nice, Nice.

Thanks, Nice.

Thice.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on August 20, 2023, 10:06:02 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 20, 2023, 09:37:21 PM
Quote from: Steve67 on August 20, 2023, 09:31:32 PM
So Philogene, Aaron Ramsey and Digne all off somewhere else, with our injury list too, we must have another three of four coming in I would have thought. 

If we do those deals, and don't get a few in, we are nuts.

I agree.  Must be close with someone coming in, I hope.  I reckon we'll see three come in before the window closes. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on August 20, 2023, 10:06:14 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 20, 2023, 09:37:21 PM
Quote from: Steve67 on August 20, 2023, 09:31:32 PM
So Philogene, Aaron Ramsey and Digne all off somewhere else, with our injury list too, we must have another three of four coming in I would have thought. 

If we do those deals, and don't get a few in, we are nuts.

Agreed, particularly the last one. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on August 20, 2023, 10:12:28 PM
			

			

				The public position of Monchi and Emery has been we have competitions and we need to have sufficient quality and quantity of players to compete. So if we are moving out some of these kids we have to believe afresh are coming in before the deadline. It would make no sense otherwise.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: andyh on August 20, 2023, 10:17:54 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 20, 2023, 09:37:21 PM
Quote from: Steve67 on August 20, 2023, 09:31:32 PM
So Philogene, Aaron Ramsey and Digne all off somewhere else, with our injury list too, we must have another three of four coming in I would have thought. 

If we do those deals, and don't get a few in, we are nuts.
In January when we were all crying out for signings that didn’t happen, we were calling the situation nuts, then too.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 20, 2023, 10:18:06 PM
			

			

				Cancelo to Barca looks to be happening this week. For a team that apparently can't afford Felix they're spending money anyway. Wonder where he'll end up by the end of the window. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on August 20, 2023, 10:30:50 PM
			

			

				Not sure there's that many gaps when you really break it down and try to look at it through Emery's eyes. 

Goalkeeper
Martinez -- Olsen -- Marshcall
Can't see there being any change

Full-backs 
Cash -- Moreno -- Digne 
Gap at right back and Digne would need replacing

Centre Backs
Konsa -- Chambers -- Pau -- Carlos
Chambers or Konsa could play right back at a push but it disrupts the defence and it goes against what Emery said about having 2 options per position. 

Centre Midfield
Luiz -- Tielemans -- Kamara -- Dendoncker 
Would only need someone if we sold Dendoncker. 

Attacking Midfield
Zaniolo -- Bailey -- McGinn -- Ramsey
Think we're done here. 

Strikers and Centre Forwards
Watkins -- Duran -- Diaby -- Coutinho
Can't see there being any changes here either. Archer left out as we seem to want to move him on. 

So can only see Emery seeing a gap at right back and if any of these were to leave. Or wanting to move someone on if he were to still bring someone in. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Flamingo Lane on August 20, 2023, 11:01:44 PM
			

			

				The season we won the league in 1980/81, Colin Gibson played left back in 19 games, and Gary Williams in 21. I can't recall one being better than the other, or having a preference for seeing one rather than the other in the team. The point being, I suppose, that with all the cup games we hopefully have coming up, it should be possible to utilise both Digne and Moreno to good effect, keeping each reasonably happy. In my view it would be a shame to see Digne go, at least in this window.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 20, 2023, 11:26:40 PM
			

			

				I do think that selling Digne with Moreno near to a return would probably be creating an avoidable problem
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on August 20, 2023, 11:35:33 PM
			

			

				Unless there’s someone coming in Paulie? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 20, 2023, 11:41:12 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on August 20, 2023, 11:35:33 PM
Unless there’s someone coming in Paulie? 

Sure, but I wonder if Monchi’s time would be better spent on other positions
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on August 21, 2023, 05:19:18 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 20, 2023, 11:41:12 PM
Quote from: Steve67 on August 20, 2023, 11:35:33 PM
Unless there’s someone coming in Paulie? 

Sure, but I wonder if Monchi’s time would be better spent on other positions
like RB
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on August 21, 2023, 06:55:27 AM
			

			

				Right back is baffling. Our lack of wide players of quality was highlighted by our only right back finishing the game at right wing too. Monchi needs to sort out 2-3 players for a bit of depth. Especially at the speed were losing players. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 21, 2023, 07:27:56 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ozzjim on August 21, 2023, 06:55:27 AM
Right back is baffling. Our lack of wide players of quality was highlighted by our only right back finishing the game at right wing too. Monchi needs to sort out 2-3 players for a bit of depth. Especially at the speed were losing players.

Just curious, are people expecting our RB to have similar stats to the left back, as I don’t think that’ll happen under Emery’s system. Or is it cash’s defensive qualities that people question?

There is justification to replace cash but I think Emery will want a CB/RB hybrid rather than a right sided Moreno.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 21, 2023, 07:54:35 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 21, 2023, 07:27:56 AM

Just curious, are people expecting our RB to have similar stats to the left back, as I don’t think that’ll happen under Emery’s system. Or is it cash’s defensive qualities that people question?

There is justification to replace cash but I think Emery will want a CB/RB hybrid rather than a right sided Moreno.

I have never been particularly convinced with Cash, and am becoming less so now Emery is here. Unlike practically every other player, we have not seen any improvement in Cash under Emery's tutelage. I think we need an upgrade. I think we have certainly been looking for one too, as we have had a few links with younger Spanish players that have fizzled out.

Agree with you though that I don't think we will see a Moreno type player come in at right back. Emery will want someone that suits his asymetric system. Indeed he has already suggested that much of the time a centre back might play there (shades of Martin O'Neall). With that in mind I think we see a utility player that can cover both positions signed. Perhaps though Emery thinks we have this already in Chambers, who has not been linked with any moves away from Villa.

I think the reason people are speculating on a more attacking style right back is that it would allow us to shift to the same asymetric system flipped round to attacking down the right and defending down the left. Not sure that will happen as we seem to be moving to two similar left backs. I also think we would have to vary the centre back partnership to achieve this, and rejig the midfield, so it would be quite disruptive.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 21, 2023, 08:06:48 AM
			

			

				Walker would be able to play both systems. Anyone know a young/cheap version of him?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: London Villan on August 21, 2023, 09:09:52 AM
			

			

				At the end of the match yesterday we saw more of a 3421 formation - which we'll probably use in European away matches, as it gives the flexibility to be 5 at the back. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Axl Rose on August 21, 2023, 09:25:21 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on August 21, 2023, 07:54:35 AM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 21, 2023, 07:27:56 AM

Just curious, are people expecting our RB to have similar stats to the left back, as I don’t think that’ll happen under Emery’s system. Or is it cash’s defensive qualities that people question?

There is justification to replace cash but I think Emery will want a CB/RB hybrid rather than a right sided Moreno.

I have never been particularly convinced with Cash, and am becoming less so now Emery is here. Unlike practically every other player, we have not seen any improvement in Cash under Emery's tutelage. I think we need an upgrade. I think we have certainly been looking for one too, as we have had a few links with younger Spanish players that have fizzled out.

Agree with you though that I don't think we will see a Moreno type player come in at right back. Emery will want someone that suits his asymetric system. Indeed he has already suggested that much of the time a centre back might play there (shades of Martin O'Neall). With that in mind I think we see a utility player that can cover both positions signed. Perhaps though Emery thinks we have this already in Chambers, who has not been linked with any moves away from Villa.

I think the reason people are speculating on a more attacking style right back is that it would allow us to shift to the same asymetric system flipped round to attacking down the right and defending down the left. Not sure that will happen as we seem to be moving to two similar left backs. I also think we would have to vary the centre back partnership to achieve this, and rejig the midfield, so it would be quite disruptive.

I like Matty and thought he was good yesterday. He made so many clever runs, but more often than not Bailey didn't see them/use him.

If we can find a better player than Cash and sign him up, he's going to be excellent because Cash is pretty decent.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on August 21, 2023, 09:31:32 AM
			

			

				You know you're in a good place when people are talking about upgrading quality players like Cash and Watkins though, like back when we used to have good sides and you'd think we could do better than Kevin Richardson or Garry Parker.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 21, 2023, 09:36:18 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on August 21, 2023, 09:31:32 AM
You know you're in a good place when people are talking about upgrading quality players like Cash and Watkins though, like back when we used to have good sides and you'd think we could do better than Kevin Richardson or Garry Parker.

Ha ha.  That’s a very good point.  we are effectively picking holes in a player that was our POTY a couple of seasons ago (I think) and a guy that most think should be in the England squad.  

It shows how much we have improved.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on August 21, 2023, 09:40:01 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ger Regan on August 20, 2023, 03:24:07 PM
Romano linking us with Nuno Tavares. I know absolutely nothing about him.

Hope he's more than a woman. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: steamer on August 21, 2023, 09:44:21 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Axl Rose on August 21, 2023, 09:25:21 AM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on August 21, 2023, 07:54:35 AM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 21, 2023, 07:27:56 AM

Just curious, are people expecting our RB to have similar stats to the left back, as I don’t think that’ll happen under Emery’s system. Or is it cash’s defensive qualities that people question?

There is justification to replace cash but I think Emery will want a CB/RB hybrid rather than a right sided Moreno.

I have never been particularly convinced with Cash, and am becoming less so now Emery is here. Unlike practically every other player, we have not seen any improvement in Cash under Emery's tutelage. I think we need an upgrade. I think we have certainly been looking for one too, as we have had a few links with younger Spanish players that have fizzled out.

Agree with you though that I don't think we will see a Moreno type player come in at right back. Emery will want someone that suits his asymetric system. Indeed he has already suggested that much of the time a centre back might play there (shades of Martin O'Neall). With that in mind I think we see a utility player that can cover both positions signed. Perhaps though Emery thinks we have this already in Chambers, who has not been linked with any moves away from Villa.

I think the reason people are speculating on a more attacking style right back is that it would allow us to shift to the same asymetric system flipped round to attacking down the right and defending down the left. Not sure that will happen as we seem to be moving to two similar left backs. I also think we would have to vary the centre back partnership to achieve this, and rejig the midfield, so it would be quite disruptive.

I like Matty and thought he was good yesterday. He made so many clever runs, but more often than not Bailey didn't see them/use him.

If we can find a better player than Cash and sign him up, he's going to be excellent because Cash is pretty decent.
I agree, he is far from the worst player we have and I do not understand why he gets the criticism that he does.
Same for Digne yesterday he was excellent, bring in back up or alternatives but no need to dump or else you have the same predicament with no back up.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on August 21, 2023, 09:46:58 AM
			

			

				Digne was excellent yesterday.

If we can get £20+ million for him then fair enough, but a loan where we'd be funding some of the wages?  That's just plain nuts.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on August 21, 2023, 09:50:21 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on August 21, 2023, 09:40:01 AM
Quote from: Ger Regan on August 20, 2023, 03:24:07 PM
Romano linking us with Nuno Tavares. I know absolutely nothing about him.

Hope he's more than a woman. 

Was ruled out with illness on Saturday, Night Fever apparently.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 21, 2023, 09:53:43 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: steamer on August 21, 2023, 09:44:21 AM

I agree, he is far from the worst player we have and I do not understand why he gets the criticism that he does.
Same for Digne yesterday he was excellent, bring in back up or alternatives but no need to dump or else you have the same predicament with no back up.  

To be fair, I don't think he is getting a lot of criticism. Right back is a bit of a talking point largely because we only have one, rather than because of the quality of Cash.  Of course most (including myself) would rather see the competition being an upgrade than an emergency back up (ala Olsen).

With Digne, I am more than happy having him as back up / competition. However if he is switched out for a player like Acuna on lower wages and a net positive ffp result then I can see the logic.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 21, 2023, 09:56:53 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on August 21, 2023, 09:46:58 AM
Digne was excellent yesterday.

If we can get £20+ million for him then fair enough, but a loan where we'd be funding some of the wages?  That's just plain nuts.

Yeah that would be really stupid, unless he is unhappy and pushing to leave.

Links to KSA make sense, but loaning to Nice doesn't. I can see why he would prefer staying on the same wage but moving to France, but I can't see why we would let him.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: steamer on August 21, 2023, 10:03:20 AM
			

			

				My point was if you ship out and do not bring in two replacements , one as cover you are not strengthening the squad.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on August 21, 2023, 10:05:32 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on August 21, 2023, 09:56:53 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on August 21, 2023, 09:46:58 AM
Digne was excellent yesterday.

If we can get £20+ million for him then fair enough, but a loan where we'd be funding some of the wages?  That's just plain nuts.

Yeah that would be really stupid, unless he is unhappy and pushing to leave.

Links to KSA make sense, but loaning to Nice doesn't. I can see why he would prefer staying on the same wage but moving to France, but I can't see why we would let him.

Nice would be particularly strange given the INEOS bunch seem to have lost interest in pumping money into them as they have been for the last few years.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on August 21, 2023, 10:12:49 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on August 21, 2023, 09:31:32 AM
You know you're in a good place when people are talking about upgrading quality players like Cash and Watkins though, like back when we used to have good sides and you'd think we could do better than Kevin Richardson or Garry Parker.

We got in Andy Townsend who was better than both! 

Cash and Watkins need competition for their spots. Chambers/Konsa aren't competition for Cash. I think it's clear that Emery doesn't think Duran or Archer particularly are competition for Watkins. 

Great to win yesterday but I think we need to quickly move on from it given how poor Everton were. We weren't remotely tested, reminded me of us under Garde/Black. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Duncan Shaw on August 21, 2023, 10:57:22 AM
			

			

				Forest apparently buying Sevilla's right back, Montiel, should see if we can get a 2-4-1 deal with Acuna!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on August 21, 2023, 11:49:17 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Duncan Shaw on August 21, 2023, 10:57:22 AM
Forest apparently buying Sevilla's right back, Montiel, should see if we can get a 2-4-1 deal with Acuna!
Has Montiel sorted his ‘legal’ issue then? If so decent player, if not then not with a bargepole
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 21, 2023, 11:55:42 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Gareth on August 21, 2023, 11:49:17 AM
Quote from: Duncan Shaw on August 21, 2023, 10:57:22 AM
Forest apparently buying Sevilla's right back, Montiel, should see if we can get a 2-4-1 deal with Acuna!
Has Montiel sorted his ‘legal’ issue then? If so decent player, if not then not with a bargepole

Same. Can't very well be wagging the finger at ManU and then go inviting the same scrutiny in ourselves.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on August 21, 2023, 12:04:16 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 20, 2023, 11:26:40 PM
I do think that selling Digne with Moreno near to a return would probably be creating an avoidable problem
Yes but if Acuna is coming its ok. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on August 21, 2023, 12:09:01 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on August 21, 2023, 09:50:21 AM
Quote from: Drummond on August 21, 2023, 09:40:01 AM
Quote from: Ger Regan on August 20, 2023, 03:24:07 PM
Romano linking us with Nuno Tavares. I know absolutely nothing about him.

Hope he's more than a woman. 

Was ruled out with illness on Saturday, Night Fever apparently.
Heaven must be missing an angel if he is here. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on August 21, 2023, 12:12:50 PM
			

			

				I can almost hear the keyboards being hassled for Google information about the Tavares!  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 21, 2023, 12:14:56 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Duncan Shaw on August 21, 2023, 10:57:22 AM
Forest apparently buying Sevilla's right back, Montiel, should see if we can get a 2-4-1 deal with Acuna!

Forest are taking him on loan with an option to but; the sensible option. €11m for a World Cup winner seems a very cheap bit of business if they do.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 21, 2023, 12:21:34 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 21, 2023, 12:14:56 PM
Quote from: Duncan Shaw on August 21, 2023, 10:57:22 AM
Forest apparently buying Sevilla's right back, Montiel, should see if we can get a 2-4-1 deal with Acuna!

Forest are taking him on loan with an option to but; the sensible option. €11m for a World Cup winner seems a very cheap bit of business if they do.

The option to buy kicks in if he doesn't go to jail. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on August 21, 2023, 12:43:46 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on August 21, 2023, 12:12:50 PM
I can almost hear the keyboards being hassled for Google information about the Tavares!  

Don’t worry, there’s bound to be some know all on here who can tell us all about him and has been watching him for ages


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Towser on August 21, 2023, 12:47:28 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: john e on August 21, 2023, 12:43:46 PM
Quote from: Steve67 on August 21, 2023, 12:12:50 PM
I can almost hear the keyboards being hassled for Google information about the Tavares!  

Don’t worry, there’s bound to be some know all on here who can tell us all about him and has been watching him for ages


I have no "words and music" try google "It Only Takes a Minute"
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on August 21, 2023, 12:55:13 PM
			

			

				Those that do know Traveras on here haven't had anything good to say about him. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on August 21, 2023, 12:56:05 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: john e on August 21, 2023, 12:43:46 PM
Quote from: Steve67 on August 21, 2023, 12:12:50 PM
I can almost hear the keyboards being hassled for Google information about the Tavares!  

Don’t worry, there’s bound to be some know all on here who can tell us all about him and has been watching him for ages

Genuinely awful whenever I saw him at Arsenal, "won a competition" esque 😀
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on August 21, 2023, 01:06:29 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on August 21, 2023, 12:55:13 PM
Those that do know Traveras on here haven't had anything good to say about him.
He is More than a Woman.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 21, 2023, 01:23:47 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on August 21, 2023, 12:55:13 PM
Those that do know Traveras on here haven't had anything good to say about him. 

On reflection, Tavares is younger than Aly Cissokho. Does that count?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on August 21, 2023, 01:52:51 PM
			

			

				I'm just hoping it's like when we were trying to sign Diaby and there was a load of talk that we had switched our attention to Doku. So in that while there's talk about Tavares, hopefully we still sign Acuña. If Digne leaves, Acuña is a good option. If the option is Tavares, we're better off keeping Digne. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 21, 2023, 02:14:13 PM
			

			

				I'd never heard of Tavares before yesterday, when I was reading the comments under a twitter post linking us to Rob Holding. The comments on the putative link with Holding were along the lines of 'will drive him there myself'. Alongside this were a few gleeful comments that they might also be mugging Forest off with Tavares, and how it great it would be to shift the pair of them, as they were beyond awful.

On that basis, I'd rather we didn't sign him. Would rather either Digne stays, or preferably we switch him out for Acuna.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 21, 2023, 02:17:15 PM
			

			

				I think we should sign Jermaine Beckford.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on August 21, 2023, 02:23:58 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on August 21, 2023, 02:14:13 PM
I'd never heard of Tavares before yesterday, when I was reading the comments under a twitter post linking us to Rob Holding. The comments on the putative link with Holding were along the lines of 'will drive him there myself'. Alongside this were a few gleeful comments that they might also be mugging Forest off with Tavares, and how it great it would be to shift the pair of them, as they were beyond awful.

On that basis, I'd rather we didn't sign him. Would rather either Digne stays, or preferably we switch him out for Acuna.

Let’s not forget a lot of those Arsenal fans were the same about Emi.

Holding was very average in them fading out of the title race last season and could probs do with being at an Everton or Wolves.

Tavares never noticed
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 21, 2023, 02:55:19 PM
			

			

				Double deal to Hull,  Bidace and Davis going
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: jwarry on August 21, 2023, 03:12:46 PM
			

			

				Must admit I thought Tavares was terrible at Arsenal. Apparently Arteta liked him, but he did sub him at half time because of lapses in concentration.  Of course the  YT clips make him look good though 

https://youtu.be/j36oIFqA7ck
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: jwarry on August 21, 2023, 03:13:58 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 21, 2023, 02:55:19 PM
Double deal to Hull,  Bidace and Davis going

Our sentimental streak is now well and truly over 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: sid1964 on August 21, 2023, 03:42:42 PM
			

			

				Hopefully it will work out for the 2 lads at Hull - they need to move to get 1st team football 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on August 21, 2023, 03:49:54 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: sid1964 on August 21, 2023, 03:42:42 PM
Hopefully it will work out for the 2 lads at Hull - they need to move to get 1st team football
.

Hope so too, feel for Davis particularly as think he showed at Forest what he was capable of. But unfortunately he is unlikely to ever achieve his potential as can't stay on the pitch long enough. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on August 21, 2023, 04:12:27 PM
			

			

				Would presume at some point Hause & poss Dendonker follow JPB and Davis out?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: astonvilla82 on August 21, 2023, 04:29:42 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: jwarry on August 21, 2023, 03:13:58 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 21, 2023, 02:55:19 PM
Double deal to Hull,  Bidace and Davis going

Our sentimental streak is now well and truly over
Sad but I don't think we have much choice these days, liked bidace in the preseason games as well 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 21, 2023, 04:38:39 PM
			

			

				I thought he was The Artist Formerly Known as Bidace nowadays?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on August 21, 2023, 04:55:56 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: brontebilly on August 21, 2023, 03:49:54 PM
Quote from: sid1964 on August 21, 2023, 03:42:42 PM
Hopefully it will work out for the 2 lads at Hull - they need to move to get 1st team football
.

Hope so too, feel for Davis particularly as think he showed at Forest what he was capable of. But unfortunately he is unlikely to ever achieve his potential as can't stay on the pitch long enough. 

If he stays fit and Philogene plays to his potential it will be good business by Hull, together they're caple of turning mid table dross into promotion contenders at that level.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Mister E on August 21, 2023, 05:10:27 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 21, 2023, 02:55:19 PM
Double deal to Hull,  Bidace and Davis going
What is the sell-price?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on August 21, 2023, 05:11:24 PM
			

			

				A Hull fan I spoke to reckons £5m for the pair.

I cant see both being sold for that price... Surely not?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on August 21, 2023, 05:14:48 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pablo_picasso on August 21, 2023, 05:11:24 PM
A Hull fan I spoke to reckons £5m for the pair.

I cant see both being sold for that price... Surely not?

Not unless there are add-ons.  If there are, i will start to support Hull's promotion push. Seems very low for both players. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on August 21, 2023, 05:17:35 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 21, 2023, 08:06:48 AM
Walker would be able to play both systems. Anyone know a young/cheap version of him?

Similarly to Kyle Walker, Kyle Walker Peters can play both full back positions. Southampton appear to be selling at high prices for their best players so he’d be at least £20m I suspect.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on August 21, 2023, 05:26:15 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on August 21, 2023, 05:17:35 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 21, 2023, 08:06:48 AM
Walker would be able to play both systems. Anyone know a young/cheap version of him?

Similarly to Kyle Walker, Kyle Walker Peters can play both full back positions. Southampton appear to be selling at high prices for their best players so he’d be at least £20m I suspect.

I don't rate him at all.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 21, 2023, 05:30:01 PM
			

			

				Southampton supposed to be looking at Archer. Maybe we could do a swap.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 21, 2023, 05:31:31 PM
			

			

				Acuña is playing for Seville tonight, so that's obviously not happening anytime soon, if at all.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ian. on August 21, 2023, 05:40:43 PM
			

			

				I can’t believe we haven’t got a left back lined up if Digne is close to leaving, we’ve got two fixtures coming up and he’s our only player fit for that position. I get why we may want to sell him as that wage for a back up player is enormous. Although if he played like yesterday all the time he’d be hard to remove from the side.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Holy Trinity on August 21, 2023, 05:44:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ian. on August 21, 2023, 05:40:43 PM
I can’t believe we haven’t got a left back lined up if Digne is close to leaving, we’ve got two fixtures coming up and he’s our only player fit for that position. I get why we may want to sell him as that wage for a back up player is enormous. Although if he played like yesterday all the time he’d be hard to remove from the side.

When we went 3 at the back Yesterday Cash and Digne were both playing as wingers and not wing backs and bouba was dropping between the back 3 on the odd Everton counter pushing Konsa and Torres to LB and RB positions respectively. 
I know Everton were shit but that might be a system we play if all goes to pot with the LB and RB position.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ian. on August 21, 2023, 05:53:12 PM
			

			

				Yeah maybe but this really limits our options for formations.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on August 21, 2023, 05:53:15 PM
			

			

				Doku's off to Man City - £60m.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on August 21, 2023, 05:56:47 PM
			

			

				Unbelievable Jeff. The world has gone mad.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on August 21, 2023, 05:56:53 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on August 21, 2023, 05:53:15 PM
Doku's off to Man City - £60m.
Man Sith-y, surely?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on August 21, 2023, 06:01:16 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Holy Trinity on August 21, 2023, 05:44:17 PM
Quote from: Ian. on August 21, 2023, 05:40:43 PM
I can’t believe we haven’t got a left back lined up if Digne is close to leaving, we’ve got two fixtures coming up and he’s our only player fit for that position. I get why we may want to sell him as that wage for a back up player is enormous. Although if he played like yesterday all the time he’d be hard to remove from the side.

When we went 3 at the back Yesterday Cash and Digne were both playing as wingers and not wing backs and bouba was dropping between the back 3 on the odd Everton counter pushing Konsa and Torres to LB and RB positions respectively. 
I know Everton were shit but that might be a system we play if all goes to pot with the LB and RB position.

With Chambers about to come on for Kamara until Coutinho broke down. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 21, 2023, 07:52:12 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on August 21, 2023, 05:53:15 PM
Doku's off to Man City - £60m.

that seems alot of money for him , I was thinking £25 million .

looks like we got a deal with Diaby then. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 21, 2023, 07:58:02 PM
			

			

				Letting Digne go to Nice on loan seems daft to me. Hopefully its bollocks.

Sell him or keep him as back up. Don't loan him whilst his contract  winds down and value decreases, especially if Acuna isn't coming, and most especially if it means Tavares being a potential replacement.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 21, 2023, 08:00:21 PM
			

			

				Acuña substituted on 46 mins. Don't know if injured, to blame for the goal conceded moments earlier, or because he has a flight to Birmingham to be on.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on August 21, 2023, 08:30:19 PM
			

			

				Is Aaron Ramsey being delayed until we have played them at the weekend? Seems to have been on agenda for weeks
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on August 21, 2023, 09:21:00 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Gareth on August 21, 2023, 08:30:19 PM
Is Aaron Ramsey being delayed until we have played them at the weekend? Seems to have been on agenda for weeks

It's taking almost as long as the Steve Sidwell transfer all those years ago for this to be announced. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: CT Villan on August 21, 2023, 11:57:48 PM
			

			

				It's a long shot but is it possible that some of our more exotic prospects are waiting to see if we qualify for the Conference group stage before signing ?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villatillidie25 on August 22, 2023, 06:00:55 AM
			

			

				Yes, that’s a long shot. More likely is we’ve done our business for our primary targets that we’d already laid the ground work for and we’re now onto the “nice to haves”, who have other options and/or require the domino effect of their clubs signing someone first 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villafirst on August 22, 2023, 06:04:40 AM
			

			

				What about having two players for every position as mentioned by UE? We still haven't got a back-up RB for Matty Cash. Any sign of a replacement for Mings?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on August 22, 2023, 08:23:16 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Villafirst on August 22, 2023, 06:04:40 AM
What about having two players for every position as mentioned by UE? We still haven't got a back-up RB for Matty Cash. Any sign of a replacement for Mings?

You do know the window hasn't closed yet? Why are you so impatient during every transfer window? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on August 22, 2023, 08:25:14 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Villafirst on August 22, 2023, 06:04:40 AM
What about having two players for every position as mentioned by UE? We still haven't got a back-up RB for Matty Cash. Any sign of a replacement for Mings?

We are definitely one defender light IMHO but if Chambers is still here come September he & Konsa may well be seen as the back up RB options.  If Emery is happy with Konsa, Torres, Carlos & Chambers as centre halves then maybe someone who could play RB & CB is the target.

We also have the option of 3 CBs at times with Kamara dropping in there, if I remember correctly he did that a fair bit at Marseille 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on August 22, 2023, 08:29:00 AM
			

			

				Like Gareth has just said and someone else the other day (might have been Ozzjim), a right sided centre back who can play right back as well is maybe more likely than a straight replacement for Mings. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on August 22, 2023, 08:54:50 AM
			

			

				Wouldn't be shocked if we are waiting on Foyth. Barca don't appear to be able to afford him, and he is well known to Emery. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on August 22, 2023, 09:15:55 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Gareth on August 21, 2023, 08:30:19 PM
Is Aaron Ramsey being delayed until we have played them at the weekend? Seems to have been on agenda for weeks
That would be very small time, if so. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Mister E on August 22, 2023, 09:25:05 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Gareth on August 22, 2023, 08:25:14 AM
Quote from: Villafirst on August 22, 2023, 06:04:40 AM
What about having two players for every position as mentioned by UE? We still haven't got a back-up RB for Matty Cash. Any sign of a replacement for Mings?
We are definitely one defender light IMHO but if Chambers is still here come September he & Konsa may well be seen as the back up RB options.  If Emery is happy with Konsa, Torres, Carlos & Chambers as centre halves then maybe someone who could play RB & CB is the target.
We also have the option of 3 CBs at times with Kamara dropping in there, if I remember correctly he did that a fair bit at Marseille 
Well, and the Ddonk, if he's still with us.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ger Regan on August 22, 2023, 09:57:13 AM
			

			

				Right back and 2 forward players needed I think (assuming acuna replaces digne and philogene and ramsey jr go).  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 22, 2023, 12:23:21 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ozzjim on August 22, 2023, 08:54:50 AM
Wouldn't be shocked if we are waiting on Foyth. Barca don't appear to be able to afford him, and he is well known to Emery. 

According to the Spanish press, Villareal are in no rush to sell him, they don't need the money and are holding out for the release clause value of €54m for him. The player wants to go but it looks like Barca have given up, plus that's serious money for a right back.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: jwarry on August 22, 2023, 01:18:43 PM
			

			

				All these rumours, Foyth, Tavares et Al point at Unai wanting to increase the height of the side 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on August 22, 2023, 01:20:01 PM
			

			

				If we were to bring in Foyth, I'd be ecstatic. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ger Regan on August 22, 2023, 01:30:05 PM
			

			

				Don't know much about Foyth, but he doesn't seem to have played much for a 25 year old, injury or did he just get spurs'd?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dr Butler on August 22, 2023, 01:40:37 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ger Regan on August 22, 2023, 01:30:05 PM
Don't know much about Foyth, but he doesn't seem to have played much for a 25 year old, injury or did he just get spurs'd?

spurs'd...lol

UTV
The Doc
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 22, 2023, 02:03:44 PM
			

			

				Linked with an interest in Abde Ezzalzouli from Barcelona for £20m. Don't know anything about him.

Also being linked with Marcus Alonso.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on August 22, 2023, 02:30:08 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on August 22, 2023, 02:03:44 PM
Linked with an interest in Abde Ezzalzouli from Barcelona for £20m. Don't know anything about him.

Also being linked with Marcus Alonso.

Good on the ball, very head down & closed vision. 

No better than some of the youngsters we are releasing...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on August 22, 2023, 02:41:39 PM
			

			

				Swapping Digne on high wages for Marcus Alonso seems a very strange move 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: jwarry on August 22, 2023, 03:48:20 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ozzjim on August 22, 2023, 02:41:39 PM
Swapping Digne on high wages for Marcus Alonso seems a very strange move 

There is clearly something about Digne that  Unai doesn’t like
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: danno on August 22, 2023, 04:04:51 PM
			

			

				It only really makes any sense if we got a fee for Digne and then got Alonso on a free.
Although even then I wouldn't be too convinced.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on August 22, 2023, 04:29:05 PM
			

			

				Digne to Nice on loan being reported by this guy who has 131k followers

Michael Rincón
@MykeRincon
🚨 Total agreement reached between all and #CONFIRMADO | 🇫🇷🔜🔴⚫

Lucas #Digne will become a new player of #OGCNice . Arrives on loan from #AstonVilla including purchase option. Medical tests reserved for this week. ✈👋🏼
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 22, 2023, 04:34:43 PM
			

			

				Isn't Alonso quite good though, and quite tall?

I don't know really as i haven't really followed his career other than knowing he's played for some big clubs recently and has won things. The thing i would say about signing older players is that i think we are very much in the here and now, we have momentum, a great manager and a very good squad and with some clever finishing touches we could win / achieve things this season and next. If a good older player will make a difference right now and propel us even further forward then i'm all for it.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 22, 2023, 04:38:32 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on August 22, 2023, 04:34:43 PM
Isn't Alonso quite good though, and quite tall?

I don't know really as i haven't really followed his career other than knowing he's played for some big clubs recently and has won things. The thing i would say about signing older players is that i think we are very much in the here and now, we have momentum, a great manager and a very good squad and with some clever finishing touches we could win / achieve things this season and next. If a good older player will make a difference right now and propel us even further forward then i'm all for it.

Mainstay at Chelsea and moved to Barca last year - so yes has the CV. There again Digne has Barca and PSG on his CV.

He is a good player, has experience and is proven at a high level in the PL. Ticks a lot of boxes.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on August 22, 2023, 04:38:41 PM
			

			

				Last week I’d have said trading Digne who has been underwhelming in the main since joining for a WC winner was great deal

This week Digne probably has his best game for us and it doesn’t feel so good 

Think I’ll leave it for Monchi and Emery to judge lol

Don’t you just love football


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: London Villan on August 22, 2023, 04:40:57 PM
			

			

				Unai clearly has very defined ideas of what he needs from his players. I think it's the reason Archer is surplus to requirements - he just doesn't fit into any of Emery's systems. Digne is nowhere near dynamic enough, when compared to Moreno, despite him being a more than adequate full-back.

Football at this level is about the here and now. it's great to have players coming through like JJ, but managers know they have at best 18 months to make a positive impact. Hence the experienced/older player being signed.


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 22, 2023, 04:41:01 PM
			

			

				Yeah, it is weird as fuck.

What's happening with Acuna, for a start?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on August 22, 2023, 04:46:04 PM
			

			

				From memory Alonso was very poor in a back 4 at Chelsea but very good as a wing back. Links to Acuna, Alonso etc just reflect muddled recruitment. If we are getting one of them then we might aswell stick with Digne. All around the same age. We need a younger competitor for Moreno..
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bad English on August 22, 2023, 04:46:59 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on August 22, 2023, 04:29:05 PM
Digne to Nice on loan being reported by this guy who has 131k followers

Michael Rincón
@MykeRincon
Total agreement reached between all and #CONFIRMADO 

Lucas #Digne will become a new player of #OGCNice . Arrives on loan from #AstonVilla including purchase option. Medical tests reserved for this week. 
INDCDP
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on August 22, 2023, 04:51:16 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: brontebilly on August 22, 2023, 04:46:04 PM
From memory Alonso was very poor in a back 4 at Chelsea but very good as a wing back. Links to Acuna, Alonso etc just reflect muddled recruitment. If we are getting one of them then we might aswell stick with Digne. All around the same age. We need a younger competitor for Moreno..

Depends if you believe the links or not?

Don’t think it’s muddled recruitment at all…he is just getting his squad to where he wants it…players who can do what he wants them to do, don’t think age will come into it.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on August 22, 2023, 05:13:03 PM
			

			

				There's nothing muddled about having a bunch of options we're looking at in the same position.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Holte L2 on August 22, 2023, 05:23:01 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pablo_picasso on August 22, 2023, 02:30:08 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on August 22, 2023, 02:03:44 PM
Linked with an interest in Abde Ezzalzouli from Barcelona for £20m. Don't know anything about him.

Also being linked with Marcus Alonso.

Good on the ball, very head down & closed vision. 

No better than some of the youngsters we are releasing...

He sounds like El Ghazi.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on August 22, 2023, 05:24:50 PM
			

			

				Alonso is slower than a 300 year old oak tree.

Doesn't seem to fit the dynamic mobility needed to cover Moreno...

Unless we are going to have one pacy attacking full back on each side & then a more defensive option on each side too, so we can switch our attacks depending on who we play...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on August 22, 2023, 05:31:12 PM
			

			

				If we're looking at players like Alonso and Acuna that suggests to me that Emery sees his needs there as more short term so there may well be 1-2 younger players he thinks can develop there. I might be wrong but 2 30+ options in the same position is a strange choice otherwise.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ian. on August 22, 2023, 05:34:33 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on August 22, 2023, 05:31:12 PM
If we're looking at players like Alonso and Acuna that suggests to me that Emery sees his needs there as more short term so there may well be 1-2 younger players he thinks can develop there. I might be wrong but 2 30+ options in the same position is a strange choice otherwise.

Also players that may not mind a bit of rotation with Moreno.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on August 22, 2023, 05:38:19 PM
			

			

				Still odd that all the links are left backs and there is nothing but crickets chirping on the right hand side.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Goldenballs on August 22, 2023, 05:59:56 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pablo_picasso on August 22, 2023, 05:24:50 PM
Alonso is slower than a 300 year old oak tree.

Doesn't seem to fit the dynamic mobility needed to cover Moreno...

Unless we are going to have one pacy attacking full back on each side & then a more defensive option on each side too, so we can switch our attacks depending on who we play...

We've got that already on the left with Moreno and Digne. Alonso is shite, he'd get turned inside out every week. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: TelfordVilla on August 22, 2023, 06:12:23 PM
			

			

				Digne needs to go simply because of the crazy wages he is getting. This was a disastrous Gerrard appointment and unbalanced the squad wage structure. He could of course take a drop in wages and stay.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on August 22, 2023, 06:16:16 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: TelfordVilla on August 22, 2023, 06:12:23 PM
 He could of course take a drop in wages and stay.

He's well within his rights to not take a drop in wages and stay. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: TelfordVilla on August 22, 2023, 06:22:00 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on August 22, 2023, 06:16:16 PM
Quote from: TelfordVilla on August 22, 2023, 06:12:23 PM
 He could of course take a drop in wages and stay.

He's well within his rights to not take a drop in wages and stay. 
  of course, but that doesn't solve our problem
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 22, 2023, 06:27:58 PM
			

			

				Thought Alonso was starting to look a bit past it at Chelsea and that was aeons ago.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on August 22, 2023, 06:28:24 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: TelfordVilla on August 22, 2023, 06:22:00 PM
Quote from: Dave on August 22, 2023, 06:16:16 PM
Quote from: TelfordVilla on August 22, 2023, 06:12:23 PM
 He could of course take a drop in wages and stay.

He's well within his rights to not take a drop in wages and stay. 
  of course, but that doesn't solve our problem

Whether one of our two left backs is Digne or someone different isn't really a problem.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 22, 2023, 06:30:21 PM
			

			

				Have we actually been linked with Alonso by anyone credible or is it just a Twitter posts?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on August 22, 2023, 06:48:30 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 22, 2023, 06:30:21 PM
Have we actually been linked with Alonso by anyone credible or is it just a Twitter posts?

Mostly Twitter folk grabbing on to straws based on a post from someone seemingly connected to Spanish football. But I do imagine given he’s not going to be registered with Barcelona because they’re skint certain players might be available. He’s a proven talent at domestic and international level. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Matt C on August 22, 2023, 06:57:02 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 22, 2023, 04:41:01 PM
Yeah, it is weird as fuck.

What's happening with Acuna, for a start?

He is apparently - I kid you not - now injured. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 22, 2023, 07:01:28 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Matt C on August 22, 2023, 06:57:02 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 22, 2023, 04:41:01 PM
Yeah, it is weird as fuck.

What's happening with Acuna, for a start?

He is apparently - I kid you not - now injured.

He came off at half time last night. Maybe that's why.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on August 22, 2023, 07:07:13 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on August 22, 2023, 06:16:16 PM
Quote from: TelfordVilla on August 22, 2023, 06:12:23 PM
 He could of course take a drop in wages and stay.

He's well within his rights to not take a drop in wages and stay. 
Quote from: Dave on August 22, 2023, 05:38:19 PM
Still odd that all the links are left backs and there is nothing but crickets chirping on the right hand side.

It is all a bit weird.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 22, 2023, 07:14:15 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on August 22, 2023, 06:16:16 PM
Quote from: TelfordVilla on August 22, 2023, 06:12:23 PM
 He could of course take a drop in wages and stay.

He's well within his rights to not take a drop in wages and stay. 

From what I've read we'll still be paying a part of his wages at Nice. Or at least that's their plan.

As for recruitment, didn't we get rid of our Head of Global Recruitment and most of his team last year? It may be why we seem to be only shopping in Spain - Diaby was another 'known to Emery' from his time at PSG.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on August 22, 2023, 07:15:59 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Goldenballs on August 22, 2023, 05:59:56 PM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on August 22, 2023, 05:24:50 PM
Alonso is slower than a 300 year old oak tree.

Doesn't seem to fit the dynamic mobility needed to cover Moreno...

Unless we are going to have one pacy attacking full back on each side & then a more defensive option on each side too, so we can switch our attacks depending on who we play...

We've got that already on the left with Moreno and Digne. Alonso is shite, he'd get turned inside out every week.

I wouldn't say Digne is a defensive full back. 

He certainly lacks pace, but in a side like Man C, he could probably thrive with their slow passing build up. 

Having said all that, if its a choice between Digne & Alonso, its Digne every week & twice on Tuesday... 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: N'ZMAV on August 22, 2023, 07:18:55 PM
			

			

				lets leave left back as it is - no issues there.
Right back needs competition for Cash
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: KevinGage on August 22, 2023, 07:21:57 PM
			

			

				He might not be Tony Daley pace, but Digne has never struck me as particularly slow. 

Recovery pace maybe not amazing. But he can bomb down the line and get a cross in with a fair degree of zip. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 22, 2023, 07:26:08 PM
			

			

				I loved how Emery would switch left backs last season if it looked like Moreno was getting the run around. Digne certainly did a job. Why we are loaning him rather than selling I've no idea. He's still a very decent full back.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 22, 2023, 07:57:15 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 22, 2023, 07:14:15 PM
Quote from: Dave on August 22, 2023, 06:16:16 PM
Quote from: TelfordVilla on August 22, 2023, 06:12:23 PM
 He could of course take a drop in wages and stay.

He's well within his rights to not take a drop in wages and stay. 

From what I've read we'll still be paying a part of his wages at Nice. Or at least that's their plan.

As for recruitment, didn't we get rid of our Head of Global Recruitment and most of his team last year? It may be why we seem to be only shopping in Spain - Diaby was another 'known to Emery' from his time at PSG.

Bollocks to us paying him to play in Nice. Would rather stick than twist if that's the case.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 22, 2023, 08:16:15 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on August 22, 2023, 07:57:15 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 22, 2023, 07:14:15 PM
Quote from: Dave on August 22, 2023, 06:16:16 PM
Quote from: TelfordVilla on August 22, 2023, 06:12:23 PM
 He could of course take a drop in wages and stay.

He's well within his rights to not take a drop in wages and stay. 

From what I've read we'll still be paying a part of his wages at Nice. Or at least that's their plan.

As for recruitment, didn't we get rid of our Head of Global Recruitment and most of his team last year? It may be why we seem to be only shopping in Spain - Diaby was another 'known to Emery' from his time at PSG.

Bollocks to us paying him to play in Nice. Would rather stick than twist if that's the case.

I agree.

Selling him to some chumps in Saudi, yes, I can go with that. Wages off the bill, fee cashed. Lending him to Nice and still paying part of his wages, and he comes back here possibly at the end of the season? What's the point in that?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 22, 2023, 08:18:49 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 22, 2023, 08:16:15 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on August 22, 2023, 07:57:15 PM
Bollocks to us paying him to play in Nice. Would rather stick than twist if that's the case.

I agree.

Selling him to some chumps in Saudi, yes, I can go with that. Wages off the bill, fee cashed. Lending him to Nice and still paying part of his wages, and he comes back here possibly at the end of the season? What's the point in that?

Same here.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Flamingo Lane on August 22, 2023, 08:21:25 PM
			

			

				Bloody hell, I've just realised who this Alonso is, who's being talked about. If ever he was any good, it was a heck of a long time ago. Digne out, and him in, well that would be ridiculous.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on August 22, 2023, 08:37:20 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: villadelph on August 22, 2023, 01:20:01 PM
If we were to bring in Foyth, I'd be ecstatic.

He must be vastly improved since he was at Spurs as he was dog shit there.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on August 22, 2023, 09:07:53 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 22, 2023, 08:16:15 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on August 22, 2023, 07:57:15 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 22, 2023, 07:14:15 PM
Quote from: Dave on August 22, 2023, 06:16:16 PM
Quote from: TelfordVilla on August 22, 2023, 06:12:23 PM
 He could of course take a drop in wages and stay.

He's well within his rights to not take a drop in wages and stay. 

From what I've read we'll still be paying a part of his wages at Nice. Or at least that's their plan.

As for recruitment, didn't we get rid of our Head of Global Recruitment and most of his team last year? It may be why we seem to be only shopping in Spain - Diaby was another 'known to Emery' from his time at PSG.

Bollocks to us paying him to play in Nice. Would rather stick than twist if that's the case.

I agree.

Selling him to some chumps in Saudi, yes, I can go with that. Wages off the bill, fee cashed. Lending him to Nice and still paying part of his wages, and he comes back here possibly at the end of the season? What's the point in that?

Fully agree.

We should never have to pay the wages of a loan player. 

If the club who want to loan him cant afford the wages, then they should shop back down in their own budget level. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on August 22, 2023, 09:11:29 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pablo_picasso on August 22, 2023, 09:07:53 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 22, 2023, 08:16:15 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on August 22, 2023, 07:57:15 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 22, 2023, 07:14:15 PM
Quote from: Dave on August 22, 2023, 06:16:16 PM
Quote from: TelfordVilla on August 22, 2023, 06:12:23 PM
 He could of course take a drop in wages and stay.

He's well within his rights to not take a drop in wages and stay. 

From what I've read we'll still be paying a part of his wages at Nice. Or at least that's their plan.

As for recruitment, didn't we get rid of our Head of Global Recruitment and most of his team last year? It may be why we seem to be only shopping in Spain - Diaby was another 'known to Emery' from his time at PSG.

Bollocks to us paying him to play in Nice. Would rather stick than twist if that's the case.

I agree.

Selling him to some chumps in Saudi, yes, I can go with that. Wages off the bill, fee cashed. Lending him to Nice and still paying part of his wages, and he comes back here possibly at the end of the season? What's the point in that?

Fully agree.

We should never have to pay the wages of a loan player.

If the club who want to loan him cant afford the wages, then they should shop back down in their own budget level. 

If they're older than 21/22 I agree, for the kids we should be ghappy to pay most of their wages and not have fees. Get ourselves a reputation in the lower leagues as a good club to loan players from and work with to develop them.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: TelfordVilla on August 22, 2023, 09:29:30 PM
			

			

				People keep banging on about Dignes ability. It's not about his ability. It's purely his wages. He is the highest paid player whilst Luiz is 13th highest paid. If you don't see a problem there you are facing the wrong direction. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on August 22, 2023, 09:34:42 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Gareth on August 22, 2023, 04:51:16 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on August 22, 2023, 04:46:04 PM
From memory Alonso was very poor in a back 4 at Chelsea but very good as a wing back. Links to Acuna, Alonso etc just reflect muddled recruitment. If we are getting one of them then we might aswell stick with Digne. All around the same age. We need a younger competitor for Moreno..

Depends if you believe the links or not?

Don’t think it’s muddled recruitment at all…he is just getting his squad to where he wants it…players who can do what he wants them to do, don’t think age will come into it.

the age profile of the squad should be kept an eye on, otherwise we could end up in a situation like MON left us in. Age/potential should definitely come into it. If Emery doesn't rate the likes of Aaron Ramsey and Archer fair enough but logic would suggest giving them a proper chance first, especially if we get past Hibs and get lots of Euro games. 

There is no logical reason for replacing Digne with Alonso or Acuna. Tavares I hope is lazy paper talk as he was beyond awful when with Arsenal. If you Digne on, you try to replace him with a younger version of Moreno. 

We still have a joke backup keeper and no competition for our weakest defender, Cash, at RB. Priorities seem all over the place. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on August 22, 2023, 09:36:19 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pablo_picasso on August 22, 2023, 09:07:53 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 22, 2023, 08:16:15 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on August 22, 2023, 07:57:15 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 22, 2023, 07:14:15 PM
Quote from: Dave on August 22, 2023, 06:16:16 PM
Quote from: TelfordVilla on August 22, 2023, 06:12:23 PM
 He could of course take a drop in wages and stay.

He's well within his rights to not take a drop in wages and stay. 

From what I've read we'll still be paying a part of his wages at Nice. Or at least that's their plan.

As for recruitment, didn't we get rid of our Head of Global Recruitment and most of his team last year? It may be why we seem to be only shopping in Spain - Diaby was another 'known to Emery' from his time at PSG.

Bollocks to us paying him to play in Nice. Would rather stick than twist if that's the case.

I agree.

Selling him to some chumps in Saudi, yes, I can go with that. Wages off the bill, fee cashed. Lending him to Nice and still paying part of his wages, and he comes back here possibly at the end of the season? What's the point in that?

Fully agree.

We should never have to pay the wages of a loan player. 

If the club who want to loan him cant afford the wages, then they should shop back down in their own budget level.
Does any one really think we are going to loan him out and subsidise his wages?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on August 22, 2023, 09:38:15 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: TelfordVilla on August 22, 2023, 09:29:30 PM
People keep banging on about Dignes ability. It's not about his ability. It's purely his wages. He is the highest paid player whilst Luiz is 13th highest paid. If you don't see a problem there you are facing the wrong direction. 

I don’t think anyone is blind to the wage point. No one is saying he cannot go, but we shouldn’t be paying the wages and we shouldn’t be getting a worse replacement in.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on August 22, 2023, 09:44:52 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: brontebilly on August 22, 2023, 09:34:42 PM
Quote from: Gareth on August 22, 2023, 04:51:16 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on August 22, 2023, 04:46:04 PM
From memory Alonso was very poor in a back 4 at Chelsea but very good as a wing back. Links to Acuna, Alonso etc just reflect muddled recruitment. If we are getting one of them then we might aswell stick with Digne. All around the same age. We need a younger competitor for Moreno..

Depends if you believe the links or not?

Don’t think it’s muddled recruitment at all…he is just getting his squad to where he wants it…players who can do what he wants them to do, don’t think age will come into it.

the age profile of the squad should be kept an eye on, otherwise we could end up in a situation like MON left us in. Age/potential should definitely come into it. If Emery doesn't rate the likes of Aaron Ramsey and Archer fair enough but logic would suggest giving them a proper chance first, especially if we get past Hibs and get lots of Euro games. 

There is no logical reason for replacing Digne with Alonso or Acuna. Tavares I hope is lazy paper talk as he was beyond awful when with Arsenal. If you Digne on, you try to replace him with a younger version of Moreno. 

We still have a joke backup keeper and no competition for our weakest defender, Cash, at RB. Priorities seem all over the place.

If you believe every bit of guess work nonsense we are being fed by social media idiots….let’s just see where we are when the window shuts 

With you on the keeper though :-)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on August 22, 2023, 10:12:44 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on August 22, 2023, 09:11:29 PM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on August 22, 2023, 09:07:53 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 22, 2023, 08:16:15 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on August 22, 2023, 07:57:15 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 22, 2023, 07:14:15 PM
Quote from: Dave on August 22, 2023, 06:16:16 PM
Quote from: TelfordVilla on August 22, 2023, 06:12:23 PM
 He could of course take a drop in wages and stay.

He's well within his rights to not take a drop in wages and stay. 

From what I've read we'll still be paying a part of his wages at Nice. Or at least that's their plan.

As for recruitment, didn't we get rid of our Head of Global Recruitment and most of his team last year? It may be why we seem to be only shopping in Spain - Diaby was another 'known to Emery' from his time at PSG.

Bollocks to us paying him to play in Nice. Would rather stick than twist if that's the case.

I agree.

Selling him to some chumps in Saudi, yes, I can go with that. Wages off the bill, fee cashed. Lending him to Nice and still paying part of his wages, and he comes back here possibly at the end of the season? What's the point in that?

Fully agree.

We should never have to pay the wages of a loan player.

If the club who want to loan him cant afford the wages, then they should shop back down in their own budget level. 

If they're older than 21/22 I agree, for the kids we should be ghappy to pay most of their wages and not have fees. Get ourselves a reputation in the lower leagues as a good club to loan players from and work with to develop them.

Agreed.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on August 22, 2023, 10:15:24 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ChicagoLion on August 22, 2023, 09:36:19 PM
Does any one really think we are going to loan him out and subsidise his wages?

I mean in general...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Olneythelonely on August 22, 2023, 10:17:43 PM
			

			

				Didn’t Alonso cause someone’s death by driving pissed up and over the speed limit? Or has that already been mentioned? 

No thanks. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 22, 2023, 10:19:22 PM
			

			

				Digne wants a move back to France for him and his family. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on August 22, 2023, 10:21:55 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 22, 2023, 10:19:22 PM
Digne wants a move back to France for him and his family.

Then his agent needs to get him a permanent transfer opportunity...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 22, 2023, 10:28:30 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 22, 2023, 10:19:22 PM
Digne wants a move back to France for him and his family. 

Ah diddums, don't give a shit unless he's paying up his contract. Saudi or tough shit.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 22, 2023, 10:41:45 PM
			

			

				Could we work the half year's wages into an obligation to buy price? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Tom_Mc9? on August 22, 2023, 10:41:52 PM
			

			

				I think that’s losing sight of the fact he’s a human being rather than just a commodity and I hope Villa don’t force him to stay for those reasons. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on August 22, 2023, 11:02:58 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Tom_Mc9? on August 22, 2023, 10:41:52 PM
I think that’s losing sight of the fact he’s a human being rather than just a commodity and I hope Villa don’t force him to stay for those reasons.

True but a move needs to suit all parties. A replacement is likely to cost at least £10-15m minimum, even if they’re on half the wages we’ll be no better off financially and they’ll have to settle in if coming from a different league, admittedly Moreno hit the ground running.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 22, 2023, 11:16:23 PM
			

			

				Don't you think that if the club really wanted rid of him we'd have made more effort to sign a LB and much earlier in the window? Unless the plan was to play Torres out there, we were always going to need someone to cover Moreno's injury, and then someone to cover that player. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Mellin on August 22, 2023, 11:19:30 PM
			

			

				People underestimate the effect negativity and unhappy people have in the workplace. If someone's unhappy, and likely acting up due to this, it's better to move them on by whatever means. Doesn't take long until things sour and next thing you know there's a Bad Santa video, whilst all your best workers are being ostracised for having a different accent.

I like Digne, but if he's gotta go, he's gotta go.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on August 22, 2023, 11:26:20 PM
			

			

				It may well have been something the club & Digne (& agents) have been aware of and working on for months….he has played a lot of football in preseason and played these couple of games.  Doesn’t strike me as something that would have happened if it was anything but amicable.  The wages would have prevented a permanent move back to France.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 22, 2023, 11:31:28 PM
			

			

				^ I mentioned it a week or so ago that for someone who's reportedly been on his way out all summer he looked very committed in training, pre-season, and now in the games we've played. 

I did wonder if there was some agreement there and he was staying as long as he could to cover for Moreno. I still wonder at us not having brought in cover though if that was the case. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 23, 2023, 12:32:24 AM
			

			

				Move him on but at least wait for a replacement. 

Let’s not forget he’s our only left back option at the moment

If we didn’t need him right now he wouldn’t have played on Sunday. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: CT Villan on August 23, 2023, 02:13:15 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Olneythelonely on August 22, 2023, 10:17:43 PM
Didn’t Alonso cause someone’s death by driving pissed up and over the speed limit? Or has that already been mentioned? 

No thanks. 
 
Correct, was a while back but he was nearly twice the blood alcohol limit and killed his passenger when hit a wall whilst speeding. Somehow avoided jail time too.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villafirst on August 23, 2023, 07:08:15 AM
			

			

				With a raft of injuries currently, the club should'nt offload any first team players until a replacement is lined up. We are likely to have to play 50 plus games this season - you need adequate cover for a gruelling schedule. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 23, 2023, 09:28:49 AM
			

			

				Acuña possibly has a hamstring injury, Seville are assessing him today. May or may not change our plans. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on August 23, 2023, 10:23:05 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Villafirst on August 23, 2023, 07:08:15 AM
With a raft of injuries currently, the club should'nt offload any first team players until a replacement is lined up. We are likely to have to play 50 plus games this season - you need adequate cover for a gruelling schedule.

It’s all about getting to Sept 1st with the squad Emery wants…with young Ramsey leaving, Davis & Philogene seemingly at the exit door - that’s 20m in then Cam maybe/maybe not leaving would surely be another 15m+ and proportion of Digne wages there could be a decent pot to get in another 1 or 2 that Unai wants to build that squad he wants.




			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on August 23, 2023, 10:47:39 AM
			

			

				Don't know if this has posted already: looks like Cameron Archer is off to Sheffield Utd on a permanent deal with a buyback option.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: lovejoy on August 23, 2023, 11:01:50 AM
			

			

				With these youth players leaving are we setting up space in FFP or rectifying an existing issue (i.e. are more coming in)?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on August 23, 2023, 11:11:05 AM
			

			

				According to this* surmising from Alan Nixon's Patreon (!) page, he's been saying that "Sheffield United will pay around £18m for Archer but like a lot of Villa’s latest outgoings, there will be a buy-back clause inserted into the deal. That means Villa will take Archer back for a fee above that £18m should United go down.

In essence, it’s like a complex loan deal on paper. However, should United stay up, then it does seem Archer will be a Blades player regardless.
The intricacies of the deal are yet to come to light but it appears United are ready to press on with this one."

* https://www.sheffieldunited.news/news/sheffield-united-strike-18m-deal-to-sign-cameron-archer/
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dorsetvillian on August 23, 2023, 11:11:38 AM
			

			

				I thought we needed so many homegrown players registered for the EUEFA Cup Matches?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: manic-road on August 23, 2023, 11:11:45 AM
			

			

				If Archer is off I would imagine another striker is incoming unless Unai thinks that someone like Diaby could replace Watkins if he gets injured. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on August 23, 2023, 11:13:50 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: manic-road on August 23, 2023, 11:11:45 AM
If Archer is off I would imagine another striker is incoming unless Unai thinks that someone like Diaby could replace Watkins if he gets injured. 

I'd be amazed if we didn't get someone else in. An experienced, top-level pro happy to play when called upon and will raise standards. Fernando Morientes or Olivier Giroud will do. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on August 23, 2023, 11:28:00 AM
			

			

				Is Morientes still around? He must be ancient by now. I used to buy him on Champ Manager. 

Duran seems to be Watkins' understudy. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: London Villan on August 23, 2023, 11:34:02 AM
			

			

				With the outgoings we have probably brought in the best part of £40m. Good for FFP and gives us more scope to spend. All this without weakening the squad, as between them the outgoings have had less than 10 PL starts.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 23, 2023, 11:48:17 AM
			

			

				Got to assume there's another striker coming in if Archer is off. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on August 23, 2023, 11:48:42 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on August 23, 2023, 11:28:00 AM
Is Morientes still around? He must be ancient by now. I used to buy him on Champ Manager. 

Duran seems to be Watkins' understudy. 

Fernando is probably fatter and late-forties now, but if we could do a time-machine thing or just get his 2023 equivalent, I'd be happy. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villatillidie25 on August 23, 2023, 11:48:51 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on August 23, 2023, 11:11:05 AM
According to this* surmising from Alan Nixon's Patreon (!) page, he's been saying that "Sheffield United will pay around £18m for Archer but like a lot of Villa’s latest outgoings, there will be a buy-back clause inserted into the deal. That means Villa will take Archer back for a fee above that £18m should United go down.

In essence, it’s like a complex loan deal on paper. However, should United stay up, then it does seem Archer will be a Blades player regardless.
The intricacies of the deal are yet to come to light but it appears United are ready to press on with this one."

* https://www.sheffieldunited.news/news/sheffield-united-strike-18m-deal-to-sign-cameron-archer/

If Sheffield United go down, Villa will take Archer back for a fee of >£18m....? Surely a buy-back is at the discretion of the buyer and not dependent on Sheffield United's survival or not...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: murgsy on August 23, 2023, 11:53:35 AM
			

			

				Anyone watched Nuno Tavarez in Ligue 1 last year? He seemed to be very erratic at Arsenal.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Richard on August 23, 2023, 12:01:52 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on August 23, 2023, 11:13:50 AM
Quote from: manic-road on August 23, 2023, 11:11:45 AM
If Archer is off I would imagine another striker is incoming unless Unai thinks that someone like Diaby could replace Watkins if he gets injured. 

I'd be amazed if we didn't get someone else in. An experienced, top-level pro happy to play when called upon and will raise standards. Fernando Morientes or Olivier Giroud will do. 

Did you mean Morata?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on August 23, 2023, 12:04:14 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Richard on August 23, 2023, 12:01:52 PM
Quote from: eamonn on August 23, 2023, 11:13:50 AM
Quote from: manic-road on August 23, 2023, 11:11:45 AM
If Archer is off I would imagine another striker is incoming unless Unai thinks that someone like Diaby could replace Watkins if he gets injured. 

I'd be amazed if we didn't get someone else in. An experienced, top-level pro happy to play when called upon and will raise standards. Fernando Morientes or Olivier Giroud will do. 

Did you mean Morata?

I think Morientes at 47 years old would be taking experience a bit too far.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: KevinGage on August 23, 2023, 12:07:10 PM
			

			

				Scored six goals for Marseille. Def seems more of the attacking sort of wingback and - if we're playing three at the back more (or fitting three centre halves into a back four)- could be a decent back up option. 

RCF of this parish might have seen more of him during his time in Portugal. 

Left under a bit of a cloud there. And Arsenal fans were happy to see him away from the club last season n'all. So that is a worry.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ger Regan on August 23, 2023, 12:09:03 PM
			

			

				Surely we need 2 more forward players if Philogene also leaves? Looking more like we'll be leaving ourselves short, again.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on August 23, 2023, 12:13:07 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Tom_Mc9? on August 22, 2023, 10:41:52 PM
I think that’s losing sight of the fact he’s a human being rather than just a commodity and I hope Villa don’t force him to stay for those reasons.

Thats great.

But he is a grown adult who knowingly signed a contract & has been very highly compensated for his time at the club.

If he is unhappy & wants to move, then he should take responsibility for his & his families future by placing a transfer request in like an adult & we start the process of looking for a permanent home for him that costs us nothing further.

We certainly should not be paying part of the wages for a player out on loan, who wants to move back to another country, as his value depreciates & his contract runs down.

Otherwise we are going to have more Sansons, Guilberts, etc, on our hands...

And that cant be great for our FFP figures...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on August 23, 2023, 12:17:11 PM
			

			

				Aston Villa and France will one day be a roaring success together. In Boubacar and Bad English we trust!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on August 23, 2023, 12:18:58 PM
			

			

				Right with the money coming back in from Cam and Aaron, and the associated FFP benefits, plus Digne apparently going then I really expect two/three good quality additions coming in. With those departures, particularly Digne and Cam, we feel light.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on August 23, 2023, 12:32:53 PM
			

			

				We do seem to have a bit of a fixation with Barcelona players this summer. Yet to sign one though! 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 23, 2023, 01:31:27 PM
			

			

				I know it's unlikely Conference League group stages will prove a massive draw to players holding out for Champions League clubs, but hopefully after tonight we'll have one foot and 4 toes in the group stages, and it might make the last week of the window a bit more interesting, especially for those names we've been linked with but seemingly dismissed by. I think most of them are still where they were in July.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 23, 2023, 01:40:52 PM
			

			

				Yep, that’s my thinking too. There’s no way we’d have cleared out that many players without a good idea of who comes in. 

For what it’s worth I don’t think they all need replacing. One player replaces Davis and Archer. Arguably that player might also cover the wing or #10 too.  That player would need to be first teaser though so Bailey/Zaniolo can drop to the bench. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 23, 2023, 02:10:28 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: murgsy on August 23, 2023, 11:53:35 AM
Anyone watched Nuno Tavarez in Ligue 1 last year? He seemed to be very erratic at Arsenal.

No but I did read one comment saying he had half a decent season there with Marseille. They also mentioned how working with a top coach is his only hope. Tudor, who I rate, managed to get something out of him, Arteta nothing which is little surprise, he was a Benfica B player rather than an established first team player. As mentioned previously, Benfica couldn't believe their luck or Arsenal's stupidity when they paid £8m for him.

If we were in the Championship with little money, I guess he'd be an option. Where we are today and where we say we want to go, I'm shocked that his name is being linked with us, even by people that make up bullshit on Twitter. He's big, strong and understands Spanish just like my local butcher.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on August 23, 2023, 02:26:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Villatillidie25 on August 23, 2023, 11:48:51 AM
Quote from: eamonn on August 23, 2023, 11:11:05 AM
According to this* surmising from Alan Nixon's Patreon (!) page, he's been saying that "Sheffield United will pay around £18m for Archer but like a lot of Villa’s latest outgoings, there will be a buy-back clause inserted into the deal. That means Villa will take Archer back for a fee above that £18m should United go down.

In essence, it’s like a complex loan deal on paper. However, should United stay up, then it does seem Archer will be a Blades player regardless.
The intricacies of the deal are yet to come to light but it appears United are ready to press on with this one."

* https://www.sheffieldunited.news/news/sheffield-united-strike-18m-deal-to-sign-cameron-archer/

If Sheffield United go down, Villa will take Archer back for a fee of >£18m....? Surely a buy-back is at the discretion of the buyer and not dependent on Sheffield United's survival or not...
And would that mean the effective loan was free?  Surely if they get relegated we should get him back for £18m less a fair loan fee?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on August 23, 2023, 02:27:36 PM
			

			

				Never be surprised by links. We've been linked with Harry Maguire through the summer, even after signing Pau Torres. Half the time they must be getting started by someone who wants to see them move on. 

We'll have to see if there's anything in it but Emery's track record so far looks pretty good since he joined us (Moreno, Duran, Tielemans, Pau Torres, Diaby and Zaniolo). 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on August 23, 2023, 02:32:02 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pablo_picasso on August 23, 2023, 12:13:07 PM
Quote from: Tom_Mc9? on August 22, 2023, 10:41:52 PM
I think that’s losing sight of the fact he’s a human being rather than just a commodity and I hope Villa don’t force him to stay for those reasons.

Thats great.

But he is a grown adult who knowingly signed a contract & has been very highly compensated for his time at the club.

If he is unhappy & wants to move, then he should take responsibility for his & his families future by placing a transfer request in like an adult & we start the process of looking for a permanent home for him that costs us nothing further.

We certainly should not be paying part of the wages for a player out on loan, who wants to move back to another country, as his value depreciates & his contract runs down.

I agree with this.  The very first thing a player who wants to force a move should do is put in a transfer request and waive any loyalty bonus' etc
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on August 23, 2023, 02:54:34 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on August 23, 2023, 02:32:02 PM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on August 23, 2023, 12:13:07 PM
Quote from: Tom_Mc9? on August 22, 2023, 10:41:52 PM
I think that’s losing sight of the fact he’s a human being rather than just a commodity and I hope Villa don’t force him to stay for those reasons.

Thats great.

But he is a grown adult who knowingly signed a contract & has been very highly compensated for his time at the club.

If he is unhappy & wants to move, then he should take responsibility for his & his families future by placing a transfer request in like an adult & we start the process of looking for a permanent home for him that costs us nothing further.

We certainly should not be paying part of the wages for a player out on loan, who wants to move back to another country, as his value depreciates & his contract runs down.

I agree with this.  The very first thing a player who wants to force a move should do is put in a transfer request and waive any loyalty bonus' etc

This is all assuming there is any animosity there…it’s just as possible that there is an amicable agreement negotiated between club / player / agent in place for a replacement triggering a move etc.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 23, 2023, 02:58:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Gareth on August 23, 2023, 02:54:34 PM

This is all assuming there is any animosity there…it’s just as possible that there is an amicable agreement negotiated between club / player / agent in place for a replacement triggering a move etc.
[/quote]

Was just going to say the same. Whatever is going on it seems like there's no animosity. It's tabloid gold when a player is having a strop, we'd know about it if there was any kind of bad blood here. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on August 23, 2023, 04:35:49 PM
			

			

				There doesn't need to be animosity. 

I just don't see why its Villa who always have to make the compromise.

"Oh, Digne is homesick after spending nearly a decade in England, can he have a loan to a French club for a year please? We will have the same problem again in a year, but if we kick the can down the road, Im sure we can work something out once his contract has nearly run out, so you get a pittance back from what you paid for him... Oh, & btw, the only club he can find in France that wants him cant afford his wages. Be a good chap & cover them for us wont you?"

Not exactly helping our FFP situation...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 23, 2023, 04:39:05 PM
			

			

				For all we know a family member could be seriously ill and Digne wants him and his family to be closer to them for however long is left, and Villa are helping him do that. There's any number of reasons rather than he's just a bit homesick. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on August 23, 2023, 04:43:05 PM
			

			

				Unlikely to be homesickness when he's been away from France as long as he has. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: supertom on August 23, 2023, 04:45:28 PM
			

			

				I'm not keen on losing Aaron Ramsey, Archer and PDB in the same window, but the fees quoted and apparent buy back clauses make sense. But honestly, I feel we still needed a few names in and big earners like Phil and Digne to leave rather than ship out too many of our academy players who would have been very useful in the cup competitions.

We're going to need to rotate. We've already got gaps to fill with long-term injuries. I'd written off Bertie, but I wonder if he's got a reprieve. Again, frustrating as he is, his unpredictable talents could be useful in some games (particularly European).

I know quality is better than quantity, but we don't wanna leave ourselves short. Archer would score for fun in the Conference. 

At what point too, do you lose your heartbeat? Among all the eye-catching signings, it's still great to see youngsters blooded in and given minutes. And yep, obviously FFP has to be a consideration. Are we likely to see any academy players in the first team this season, if the likeliest candidates have all been moved on? I think you can have aspirations to step up a level and still find room for 3-4 youngsters. Pep and Howe are doing it. Ten Hag is likely to blood in a few. 

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on August 23, 2023, 04:47:17 PM
			

			

				Could be worse, imagine being a fan of Chelsea where they've bought a whole new team in the summer and sold the old one. Apart from Rom, obvs. Good luck shifting him. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on August 23, 2023, 04:50:46 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: supertom on August 23, 2023, 04:45:28 PM
I'm not keen on losing Aaron Ramsey, Archer and PDB in the same window, but the fees quoted and apparent buy back clauses make sense. But honestly, I feel we still needed a few names in and big earners like Phil and Digne to leave rather than ship out too many of our academy players who would have been very useful in the cup competitions.

We're going to need to rotate. We've already got gaps to fill with long-term injuries. I'd written off Bertie, but I wonder if he's got a reprieve. Again, frustrating as he is, his unpredictable talents could be useful in some games (particularly European).

I know quality is better than quantity, but we don't wanna leave ourselves short. Archer would score for fun in the Conference. 

At what point too, do you lose your heartbeat? Among all the eye-catching signings, it's still great to see youngsters blooded in and given minutes. And yep, obviously FFP has to be a consideration. Are we likely to see any academy players in the first team this season, if the likeliest candidates have all been moved on? I think you can have aspirations to step up a level and still find room for 3-4 youngsters. Pep and Howe are doing it. Ten Hag is likely to blood in a few.

The fee for Ramsey is poor. 

Bournemouth just paid £20m for Alex Scott from Bristol City & he has scored 5 goals & 7 assists in 83 appearances by the age of 20 years old. 

Last season alone, Ramsey scored 8 & assisted 4 in 29 appearances by the age of 20. 

Everything else, I fully agree...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on August 23, 2023, 04:52:14 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 23, 2023, 04:39:05 PM
For all we know a family member could be seriously ill and Digne wants him and his family to be closer to them for however long is left, and Villa are helping him do that. There's any number of reasons rather than he's just a bit homesick.

Ok, thats a fair point.

But at what stage do we start looking out for ourselves a bit more?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 23, 2023, 04:53:26 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pablo_picasso on August 23, 2023, 04:52:14 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 23, 2023, 04:39:05 PM
For all we know a family member could be seriously ill and Digne wants him and his family to be closer to them for however long is left, and Villa are helping him do that. There's any number of reasons rather than he's just a bit homesick.

Ok, thats a fair point.

But at what stage do we start looking out for ourselves a bit more?

I hope in a scenario like that we never do. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: supertom on August 23, 2023, 04:55:05 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pablo_picasso on August 23, 2023, 04:50:46 PM
Quote from: supertom on August 23, 2023, 04:45:28 PM
I'm not keen on losing Aaron Ramsey, Archer and PDB in the same window, but the fees quoted and apparent buy back clauses make sense. But honestly, I feel we still needed a few names in and big earners like Phil and Digne to leave rather than ship out too many of our academy players who would have been very useful in the cup competitions.

We're going to need to rotate. We've already got gaps to fill with long-term injuries. I'd written off Bertie, but I wonder if he's got a reprieve. Again, frustrating as he is, his unpredictable talents could be useful in some games (particularly European).

I know quality is better than quantity, but we don't wanna leave ourselves short. Archer would score for fun in the Conference. 

At what point too, do you lose your heartbeat? Among all the eye-catching signings, it's still great to see youngsters blooded in and given minutes. And yep, obviously FFP has to be a consideration. Are we likely to see any academy players in the first team this season, if the likeliest candidates have all been moved on? I think you can have aspirations to step up a level and still find room for 3-4 youngsters. Pep and Howe are doing it. Ten Hag is likely to blood in a few.

The fee for Ramsey is poor. 

Bournemouth just paid £20m for Alex Scott from Bristol City & he has scored 5 goals & 7 assists in 83 appearances by the age of 20 years old. 

Last season alone, Ramsey scored 8 & assisted 4 in 29 appearances by the age of 20. 

Everything else, I fully agree...
I suppose the buyback clauses may dip the fee from some of the crazier fees going on unproven kids. Or the crazy fees Brighton are charging Chelsea. lol. 

All told, I'd be a lot more disappointed if we started selling our star players. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on August 23, 2023, 05:00:52 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 23, 2023, 04:53:26 PM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on August 23, 2023, 04:52:14 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 23, 2023, 04:39:05 PM
For all we know a family member could be seriously ill and Digne wants him and his family to be closer to them for however long is left, and Villa are helping him do that. There's any number of reasons rather than he's just a bit homesick.

Ok, thats a fair point.

But at what stage do we start looking out for ourselves a bit more?

I hope in a scenario like that we never do.

No, you're right. 

I suppose it all depends on the actual scenario that is happening.

But, I do want the club to start being more club oriented in situations that aren't family illness/death type ones, etc.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 23, 2023, 05:03:18 PM
			

			

				I agree, I have no idea why he wants to move, just putting a reason out there as it strikes me that after 7 years playing abroad a personal reason seems more likely than him being homesick. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: caster troy on August 23, 2023, 05:03:25 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: supertom on August 23, 2023, 04:55:05 PM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on August 23, 2023, 04:50:46 PM
Quote from: supertom on August 23, 2023, 04:45:28 PM
I'm not keen on losing Aaron Ramsey, Archer and PDB in the same window, but the fees quoted and apparent buy back clauses make sense. But honestly, I feel we still needed a few names in and big earners like Phil and Digne to leave rather than ship out too many of our academy players who would have been very useful in the cup competitions.

We're going to need to rotate. We've already got gaps to fill with long-term injuries. I'd written off Bertie, but I wonder if he's got a reprieve. Again, frustrating as he is, his unpredictable talents could be useful in some games (particularly European).

I know quality is better than quantity, but we don't wanna leave ourselves short. Archer would score for fun in the Conference. 

At what point too, do you lose your heartbeat? Among all the eye-catching signings, it's still great to see youngsters blooded in and given minutes. And yep, obviously FFP has to be a consideration. Are we likely to see any academy players in the first team this season, if the likeliest candidates have all been moved on? I think you can have aspirations to step up a level and still find room for 3-4 youngsters. Pep and Howe are doing it. Ten Hag is likely to blood in a few.

The fee for Ramsey is poor. 

Bournemouth just paid £20m for Alex Scott from Bristol City & he has scored 5 goals & 7 assists in 83 appearances by the age of 20 years old. 

Last season alone, Ramsey scored 8 & assisted 4 in 29 appearances by the age of 20. 

Everything else, I fully agree...
I suppose the buyback clauses may dip the fee from some of the crazier fees going on unproven kids. Or the crazy fees Brighton are charging Chelsea. lol. 

All told, I'd be a lot more disappointed if we started selling our star players. 

Talking from experience (on Football Manager) that is definitely how it works. Burnley effectively have a ceiling on what they can get for Ramsey now if he goes on to become a world beater. If Scott has a good season who knows what Chelsea will pay for him next summer.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: N'ZMAV on August 23, 2023, 05:17:48 PM
			

			

				buy backs in place, makes sense - however, probably approaching £35mil+ for 3 players that have 0 PL starts between them, all in their 20's - is probably good business.... if they was that good, they'd be more active in the team. I trust Emery. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on August 23, 2023, 05:26:19 PM
			

			

				I appreciate this is in the wrong thread, but it is transfer based.  After the game tonight, could one commentator or journalist, do their fecking job and press Unai on incoming players please?  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AlexAlexCropley on August 23, 2023, 06:06:08 PM
			

			

				That Boyle is a diving shit
Edit wrong thread
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on August 23, 2023, 06:33:03 PM
			

			

				Let’s not sell Digne eh?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: KevinGage on August 23, 2023, 06:50:05 PM
			

			

				Not unless it's to Al Shabab for circa £80 million. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 23, 2023, 08:31:03 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 23, 2023, 05:03:18 PM
I agree, I have no idea why he wants to move, just putting a reason out there as it strikes me that after 7 years playing abroad a personal reason seems more likely than him being homesick. 

Isn’t being homesick itself a personal reason?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 23, 2023, 08:32:14 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on August 23, 2023, 04:43:05 PM
Unlikely to be homesickness when he's been away from France as long as he has. 

It doesn’t work like that though. 

Perhaps there are things going on at home that triggered the homesickness?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bad English on August 23, 2023, 08:47:11 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 23, 2023, 08:32:14 PM
Quote from: OCD on August 23, 2023, 04:43:05 PM
Unlikely to be homesickness when he's been away from France as long as he has. 

It doesn’t work like that though. 

Perhaps there are things going on at home that triggered the homesickness?
He might well want to go back to France..He' probably fed up of shit pubs serving fried food and stuff like that.
 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Grande Pablo on August 23, 2023, 09:00:57 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pablo_picasso on August 23, 2023, 04:50:46 PM
Quote from: supertom on August 23, 2023, 04:45:28 PM
I'm not keen on losing Aaron Ramsey, Archer and PDB in the same window, but the fees quoted and apparent buy back clauses make sense. But honestly, I feel we still needed a few names in and big earners like Phil and Digne to leave rather than ship out too many of our academy players who would have been very useful in the cup competitions.

We're going to need to rotate. We've already got gaps to fill with long-term injuries. I'd written off Bertie, but I wonder if he's got a reprieve. Again, frustrating as he is, his unpredictable talents could be useful in some games (particularly European).

I know quality is better than quantity, but we don't wanna leave ourselves short. Archer would score for fun in the Conference. 

At what point too, do you lose your heartbeat? Among all the eye-catching signings, it's still great to see youngsters blooded in and given minutes. And yep, obviously FFP has to be a consideration. Are we likely to see any academy players in the first team this season, if the likeliest candidates have all been moved on? I think you can have aspirations to step up a level and still find room for 3-4 youngsters. Pep and Howe are doing it. Ten Hag is likely to blood in a few.

The fee for Ramsey is poor. 

Bournemouth just paid £20m for Alex Scott from Bristol City & he has scored 5 goals & 7 assists in 83 appearances by the age of 20 years old. 

Last season alone, Ramsey scored 8 & assisted 4 in 29 appearances by the age of 20. 

Everything else, I fully agree...

We've sold Aaron, not Jacob...you could triple the fee for Jacob.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 23, 2023, 09:13:35 PM
			

			

				We also have a buy back clause on Ramsey which will lower the fee a bit. 

Pablo, we get it, you’re not happy but you’re going to have to get over it. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 23, 2023, 09:36:31 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 23, 2023, 08:31:03 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 23, 2023, 05:03:18 PM
I agree, I have no idea why he wants to move, just putting a reason out there as it strikes me that after 7 years playing abroad a personal reason seems more likely than him being homesick. 

Isn’t being homesick itself a personal reason?

You know exactly what I mean. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 23, 2023, 09:37:50 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 23, 2023, 09:36:31 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 23, 2023, 08:31:03 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 23, 2023, 05:03:18 PM
I agree, I have no idea why he wants to move, just putting a reason out there as it strikes me that after 7 years playing abroad a personal reason seems more likely than him being homesick. 

Isn’t being homesick itself a personal reason?

You know exactly what I mean. 

Err, I don’t. Genuinely. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 23, 2023, 09:40:21 PM
			

			

				The inforamtion is all there, you can do it. I believe in you.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 23, 2023, 09:43:38 PM
			

			

				No offence PWS but what is wrong with you recently? You’re regularly so prickly. 

I can’t see what you find worth getting arsey about in such an innocuous opinion?


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 23, 2023, 09:49:50 PM
			

			

				The info is all there, in the few posts. the person I was talking to got what I meant and convo ended. Seems straight forward what I meant.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 23, 2023, 09:55:13 PM
			

			

				Blimey. I replied to your last post, which quoted nobody, please forgive me for not reading back the entire previous exchange. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 23, 2023, 09:56:35 PM
			

			

				It's all in the post above the one you quoted.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 23, 2023, 09:58:08 PM
			

			

				Why didn't you just point that out rather than your weird "you know exactly what I mean"  then?

Sometimes there's just no need to be so prickly.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 23, 2023, 10:00:15 PM
			

			

				Because I assumed you'd read the post above the one you quoted which explained what I meant.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 23, 2023, 10:02:23 PM
			

			

				*shakes head*

what an utterly needless exchange, I'll leave you to it.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on August 23, 2023, 10:15:23 PM
			

			

				Last two games we have been great, and shows the quality of players and coaches we have

My biggest concern currently is the lack of numbers.  Not sure if Unai likes a small squad - or there's a master plan (maybe most likely a bit of both). 

Was sad to see some of these young players go - and despite being excellent today, I think we saw some of the limitations of the squad - ollie scores goals - but he'll miss key chances too - Konsa as a right back is ok, but offers nothing going forward, and the bench looked pretty weak.  I know we have players to come in, and Im sure there will be more incomings, but currently we feel short in most positions. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on August 23, 2023, 10:38:14 PM
			

			

				Dendonker, Moreno, Zaniolo, JJ, Coutinho all to come back, with Buendia and Tyrone longer-term.  Will have a much stronger squad and bench  when they come back and if big Tim is added.  I guess we have to be patient and wait for the more minor injuries to clear up.  If Digne is staying, I can only see one more player coming in, perhaps a right sided winger/forward.  Brennan Johnson?  I'd like cover for Cash and Kamara too but unlikely to happen I think. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on August 23, 2023, 10:46:50 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on August 23, 2023, 10:38:14 PM
Dendonker, Moreno, Zaniolo, JJ, Coutinho all to come back, with Buendia and Tyrone longer-term.  Will have a much stronger squad and bench  when they come back and if big Tim is added.  I guess we have to be patient and wait for the more minor injuries to clear up.  If Digne is staying, I can only see one more player coming in, perhaps a right sided winger/forward.  Brennan Johnson?  I'd like cover for Cash and Kamara too but unlikely to happen I think.
I guess dendoncker is the cover for Kamara.  Im torn between what we need more, another attacking option, or a right back.  I think Unai goes for an attacking option as the squad players moved on are attacking
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on August 23, 2023, 10:49:57 PM
			

			

				The Donk is a decent player, if there's not an obvious better replacement out there I'd keep him. We have plenty of games and his physical presence is handy to have in the squad. I don't get any sense that Iroegbunam has surpassed him in Emery's thinking either.

Something seems a bit amiss with his (Donk) lack of involvement this far this season, hopefully all ok with his kid and partner. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 23, 2023, 10:50:31 PM
			

			

				Maybe we could get Matt Targett on loan if Digne goes...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on August 23, 2023, 10:52:36 PM
			

			

				He'll know Konsa doesn't offer much going forward but when Cash isn't playing, we'll probably be playing more a back 3 and not want him going forward. 

They do seem to be being pro-active in making sure that FFP doesn't become an issue in future. Right back may have to wait. 

With the striker role, I still wonder whether there was any truth to the rumour that we had a deal done for Abraham. And whether it's something we'll revisit in January, once he's fit again. 

As for Watkins missing chances...all strikers miss chances. Even the best ones and to get one better than Watkins would be mega money in today's market. Watkins record is probably closer to 1 in 2.5 than 1 in 3 now. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 23, 2023, 10:55:44 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bad English on August 23, 2023, 08:47:11 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 23, 2023, 08:32:14 PM
Quote from: OCD on August 23, 2023, 04:43:05 PM
Unlikely to be homesickness when he's been away from France as long as he has. 

It doesn’t work like that though. 

Perhaps there are things going on at home that triggered the homesickness?
He might well want to go back to France..He' probably fed up of shit pubs serving fried food and stuff like that.

He could just buy himself a microwave and get himself down to Iceland. Problem solved. 😝
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 23, 2023, 11:29:04 PM
			

			

				What about Hugo Lloris as back up keeper? Probably on big wages but wants to leave Spurs and Lazio have apparently dropped their interest. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on August 23, 2023, 11:35:13 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on August 23, 2023, 10:52:36 PM
He'll know Konsa doesn't offer much going forward but when Cash isn't playing, we'll probably be playing more a back 3 and not want him going forward. 

They do seem to be being pro-active in making sure that FFP doesn't become an issue in future. Right back may have to wait. 

With the striker role, I still wonder whether there was any truth to the rumour that we had a deal done for Abraham. And whether it's something we'll revisit in January, once he's fit again. 

As for Watkins missing chances...all strikers miss chances. Even the best ones and to get one better than Watkins would be mega money in today's market. Watkins record is probably closer to 1 in 2.5 than 1 in 3 now.
Think re Tammy - that might well be true.  Watkins is great - and I agree with what your saying, but Ollie could still get injured - and he isn't the most clinical - he gets goals - but I never feel that when hes one on one, that he is likely to score, and it feels like in key games that could come back to haunt us. 

Like you say - there's a good chance we couldn't afford a better striker - but I would be concerned if we had to rely on Duran for more than a game or two. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on August 23, 2023, 11:41:19 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 23, 2023, 11:29:04 PM
What about Hugo Lloris as back up keeper? Probably on big wages but wants to leave Spurs and Lazio have apparently dropped their interest. 

He's committed more unforced errors than Olsen the last couple of years. He's gone down the dumper, not a Top 40 artist anymore.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 23, 2023, 11:41:23 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 23, 2023, 11:29:04 PM
What about Hugo Lloris as back up keeper? Probably on big wages but wants to leave Spurs and Lazio have apparently dropped their interest. 

I read today that he didn't want to go to Lazio to be a back-up.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 23, 2023, 11:54:48 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on August 23, 2023, 11:41:19 PM
Quote from: AV84 on August 23, 2023, 11:29:04 PM
What about Hugo Lloris as back up keeper? Probably on big wages but wants to leave Spurs and Lazio have apparently dropped their interest. 

He's committed more unforced errors than Olsen the last couple of years. He's gone down the dumper, not a Top 40 artist anymore.

Just realised he was in goal for the 6-1 loss to Newcastle. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 24, 2023, 12:03:19 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on August 23, 2023, 11:41:23 PM
Quote from: AV84 on August 23, 2023, 11:29:04 PM
What about Hugo Lloris as back up keeper? Probably on big wages but wants to leave Spurs and Lazio have apparently dropped their interest. 

I read today that he didn't want to go to Lazio to be a back-up.

I'd genuinely rather keep Olsen than take Lloris.

He's got lettuce hands.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: KevinGage on August 24, 2023, 12:05:48 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: brontebilly on August 23, 2023, 10:49:57 PM
The Donk is a decent player, if there's not an obvious better replacement out there I'd keep him. We have plenty of games and his physical presence is handy to have in the squad. I don't get any sense that Iroegbunam has surpassed him in Emery's thinking either.
 

Donk and Kamara can both play centre half, which might come in useful as the season progresses.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Matt C on August 24, 2023, 01:22:50 AM
			

			

				Up until a couple of weeks ago we looked in a very comfortable position on the transfer front but those two terrible injuries plus question marks around a few possibly moving on have left us needing a couple more I think. Be an interesting final week of the window. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 24, 2023, 06:20:11 AM
			

			

				With a week to go the rumour mill is very quiet.  I’m starting to think that emery likes a small squad and keeping everyone very involved.  In theory, I’m on board with that but even I’d say this is an extreme version.

Any idea how big the Villareal squad was when they won the Europa?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on August 24, 2023, 06:58:55 AM
			

			

				No way we go in with the squad we have. What's our actual outlay so far this summer? £85 ish million? To add 4. Then from sales, £45 ish. So a net spend of £40m. When you consider we were already in a good place with FFP on the back of Jack and Chucky going, I reckon there's either a couple of decent signings on the way, or we're playing the waiting game on a couple of major targets. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on August 24, 2023, 07:28:37 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 24, 2023, 06:20:11 AM
With a week to go the rumour mill is very quiet.  I’m starting to think that emery likes a small squad and keeping everyone very involved.  In theory, I’m on board with that but even I’d say this is an extreme version.

Any idea how big the Villareal squad was when they won the Europa?
Yep, was thinking similar. I think that's it.

The squad is still 25 players deep though, with big Tim as the only one who you might call a 'youth' player. If Konsa is covering RB and we're not flogging Digne then I think the squad's looking alright. No Chelsea-style player hoarding, just the ones we need to do a job.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on August 24, 2023, 07:40:22 AM
			

			

				I see West Ham are after En-Nesyri from Sevilla…was impressed with him in the Super Cup game, looked a very decent striker, don’t know if that was an outlier of a good game but he’d fit our squad nicely on the basis of that game.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RamboandBruno on August 24, 2023, 08:03:11 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: KevinGage on August 24, 2023, 12:05:48 AM
Quote from: brontebilly on August 23, 2023, 10:49:57 PM
The Donk is a decent player, if there's not an obvious better replacement out there I'd keep him. We have plenty of games and his physical presence is handy to have in the squad. I don't get any sense that Iroegbunam has surpassed him in Emery's thinking either.
 

Donk and Kamara can both play centre half, which might come in useful as the season progresses.

I know there is the whole Stevenage mistake, but shit happens. I honestly don’t think Donk has ever really let us down. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on August 24, 2023, 12:32:32 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 23, 2023, 12:18:58 PM
Right with the money coming back in from Cam and Aaron, and the associated FFP benefits, plus Digne apparently going then I really expect two/three good quality additions coming in. With those departures, particularly Digne and Cam, we feel light.
We're not getting 2-3 quality additions in a week.  It's just not the Villa way.  We'll finish the window a bit light in one or two positions leaving us feeling we should have done a bit more.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: London Villan on August 24, 2023, 12:47:45 PM
			

			

				Acuna out for a few weeks - deal 99% off, despite personal terms being agreed
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on August 24, 2023, 12:52:30 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ozzjim on August 24, 2023, 06:58:55 AM
No way we go in with the squad we have. What's our actual outlay so far this summer? £85 ish million? To add 4. Then from sales, £45 ish. So a net spend of £40m. When you consider we were already in a good place with FFP on the back of Jack and Chucky going, I reckon there's either a couple of decent signings on the way, or we're playing the waiting game on a couple of major targets. 
I was also of this view, but it was pointed out to me that the benefit of the Grealish money ends this season.  FFP is a rolling 3 year calculation so the Grealish money is off our books from next season, However we will still have the transfers Watkins, Traore, Martinez, Cash,  Buendia, Digne, Bailey, Carlos, Coutinho, Duran, Dendonker, Moreno & Olsen in our FFP calc next season assuming they were all ammortised over 5 years.   So even though our net spend is not that high, from an FFP perspective it's more marginal that we think. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 24, 2023, 12:54:36 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: London Villan on August 24, 2023, 12:47:45 PM
Acuna out for a few weeks - deal 99% off, despite personal terms being agreed

I guess Sevilla didn't really want to sell him and I think they weren't happy with how we approached it, but it felt weird that they played him on Monday evening. I know he's their player until he's not, but most other teams seem to leave players out if they're that close to an exit. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on August 24, 2023, 01:28:13 PM
			

			

				Gabri Veiga, what a misguided fool.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on August 24, 2023, 02:11:01 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: villadelph on August 24, 2023, 01:28:13 PM
Gabri Veiga, what a misguided fool.

What’s happened? Very highly rated young player, who I’m surprised we haven’t been linked with.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 24, 2023, 02:12:37 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on August 24, 2023, 02:11:01 PM
Quote from: villadelph on August 24, 2023, 01:28:13 PM
Gabri Veiga, what a misguided fool.

What’s happened? Very highly rated young player, who I’m surprised we haven’t been linked with.

Reported to be off to KSA, and getting lambasted by Toni Kroos for it.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on August 24, 2023, 02:44:20 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on August 24, 2023, 02:12:37 PM
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on August 24, 2023, 02:11:01 PM
Quote from: villadelph on August 24, 2023, 01:28:13 PM
Gabri Veiga, what a misguided fool.

What’s happened? Very highly rated young player, who I’m surprised we haven’t been linked with.

Reported to be off to KSA, and getting lambasted by Toni Kroos for it.

Oh dear. Quite a coup for them. Still, likely he’ll be back in Europe within a few years.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on August 24, 2023, 02:46:48 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: RamboandBruno on August 24, 2023, 08:03:11 AM
Quote from: KevinGage on August 24, 2023, 12:05:48 AM
Quote from: brontebilly on August 23, 2023, 10:49:57 PM
The Donk is a decent player, if there's not an obvious better replacement out there I'd keep him. We have plenty of games and his physical presence is handy to have in the squad. I don't get any sense that Iroegbunam has surpassed him in Emery's thinking either.
 

Donk and Kamara can both play centre half, which might come in useful as the season progresses.

I know there is the whole Stevenage mistake, but shit happens. I honestly don’t think Donk has ever really let us down. 

He was excellent in the Newcastle home game. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 24, 2023, 02:48:30 PM
			

			

				It'll be interesting to see any players who aren't basically retiring to Saudi try to come back to Europe. I know money is nothing to these sides but I wonder what kind of prices they'll be looking for if/when they start selling players. If a 21 year old heads over on a 4 year contact but decides after a year it's not for him (having banked millions in wages) will they be reasonable when it comes to asking prices? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on August 24, 2023, 02:50:48 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on August 24, 2023, 02:46:48 PM
Quote from: RamboandBruno on August 24, 2023, 08:03:11 AM
Quote from: KevinGage on August 24, 2023, 12:05:48 AM
Quote from: brontebilly on August 23, 2023, 10:49:57 PM
The Donk is a decent player, if there's not an obvious better replacement out there I'd keep him. We have plenty of games and his physical presence is handy to have in the squad. I don't get any sense that Iroegbunam has surpassed him in Emery's thinking either.
 

Donk and Kamara can both play centre half, which might come in useful as the season progresses.

I know there is the whole Stevenage mistake, but shit happens. I honestly don’t think Donk has ever really let us down. 

He was excellent in the Newcastle home game. 

I'd definitely be considering him to be fourth / fifth choice centre-back rather than going out and spending £20m+ on a Mings replacement.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smithy on August 24, 2023, 02:53:52 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on August 24, 2023, 12:52:30 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 24, 2023, 06:58:55 AM
No way we go in with the squad we have. What's our actual outlay so far this summer? £85 ish million? To add 4. Then from sales, £45 ish. So a net spend of £40m. When you consider we were already in a good place with FFP on the back of Jack and Chucky going, I reckon there's either a couple of decent signings on the way, or we're playing the waiting game on a couple of major targets. 
I was also of this view, but it was pointed out to me that the benefit of the Grealish money ends this season.  FFP is a rolling 3 year calculation so the Grealish money is off our books from next season, However we will still have the transfers Watkins, Traore, Martinez, Cash,  Buendia, Digne, Bailey, Carlos, Coutinho, Duran, Dendonker, Moreno & Olsen in our FFP calc next season assuming they were all ammortised over 5 years.   So even though our net spend is not that high, from an FFP perspective it's more marginal that we think. 

This is part of the reason why Chelsea could be SO screwed in the coming seasons.  They're absolutely fine this year, maybe even FFP positive, because they've sold Mount, Loftus Cheek and Ampadu for a combined £100m, which is pure FFP profit - all accounted for THIS year.  

But they'll be paying £15m a year in FFP terms for Enzo Fernandes until 2030! The same is true for all their other expensive signings.  People often seem to forget the transfers are amortised over the length of the contract for FFP.  After their spree in the last 18 months, Chelsea will start each of the next five or six years about £100m in the red as far as FFP is concerned.  That's before they buy or sell a single player.  Imagine having to sell a Grealish every year just to get back LEVEL in FFP terms.

A couple of years outside the top 4, and they are screwed.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on August 24, 2023, 02:56:50 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 24, 2023, 02:48:30 PM
It'll be interesting to see any players who aren't basically retiring to Saudi try to come back to Europe. I know money is nothing to these sides but I wonder what kind of prices they'll be looking for if/when they start selling players. If a 21 year old heads over on a 4 year contact but decides after a year it's not for him (having banked millions in wages) will they be reasonable when it comes to asking prices? 

I think a lot of them will come back to Europe after 1-2 years. The younger players anyway. They'll have to expect European salaries though, and fees will be a compromise on what can be afforded by the buyers. The Saudi clubs generally haven't paid over the odds in transfer fees though so it shouldn't be too much of a problem. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Lastfootstamper on August 24, 2023, 03:01:06 PM
			

			

				I'm happy with the donk, because we've got a manager that will neither try to wedge him into a role he can't play nor alter the set-up of the entire side to compensate for any shortcomings of the lad.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 24, 2023, 03:01:21 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on August 24, 2023, 02:56:50 PM
I think a lot of them will come back to Europe after 1-2 years. The younger players anyway. They'll have to expect European salaries though, and fees will be a compromise on what can be afforded by the buyers. The Saudi clubs generally haven't paid over the odds in transfer fees though so it shouldn't be too much of a problem.

Yeah, it's the wages where they're splashing the cash, but most of the signings aren't players they'll be thinking about selling back. If you've forked over 20 million in one season to a 21 year old and then he decides he wants to leave, you might be thinking about getting some of your money back. Although really it doesn't seem like running individual clubs as sustainable businesses is their goal with any of this. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 24, 2023, 03:04:12 PM
			

			

				I think Chelsea are walking a fine line, but they are exceptionally good at selling homegrown talent, which goes a very long way to keep them inside the rules.

Even this summer they've recouped £60m on Mount, £15m on Loftus-Cheek, £30m for Lewis Hall, that's more than a Grealish. They will also probably get £15m for Hudson-Odoi.

Then on non home-grown players they've managed to get most of their money back from Arsenal for Havertz (remarkably), and more money for Pulisic and Koulibaly.

As others have said, they are now going to have to walk a tightrope of always qualifying for the CL and moving on enough talent to hit the FFP figures.

I hope they crash and burn, obvs, but people do tend to focus on transfer fees outright and forget that it's more complex than that, it is a juggling act.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: itbrvilla on August 24, 2023, 03:20:00 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smithy on August 24, 2023, 02:53:52 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on August 24, 2023, 12:52:30 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 24, 2023, 06:58:55 AM
No way we go in with the squad we have. What's our actual outlay so far this summer? £85 ish million? To add 4. Then from sales, £45 ish. So a net spend of £40m. When you consider we were already in a good place with FFP on the back of Jack and Chucky going, I reckon there's either a couple of decent signings on the way, or we're playing the waiting game on a couple of major targets. 
I was also of this view, but it was pointed out to me that the benefit of the Grealish money ends this season.  FFP is a rolling 3 year calculation so the Grealish money is off our books from next season, However we will still have the transfers Watkins, Traore, Martinez, Cash,  Buendia, Digne, Bailey, Carlos, Coutinho, Duran, Dendonker, Moreno & Olsen in our FFP calc next season assuming they were all ammortised over 5 years.   So even though our net spend is not that high, from an FFP perspective it's more marginal that we think. 

This is part of the reason why Chelsea could be SO screwed in the coming seasons.  They're absolutely fine this year, maybe even FFP positive, because they've sold Mount, Loftus Cheek and Ampadu for a combined £100m, which is pure FFP profit - all accounted for THIS year.  

But they'll be paying £15m a year in FFP terms for Enzo Fernandes until 2030! The same is true for all their other expensive signings.  People often seem to forget the transfers are amortised over the length of the contract for FFP.  After their spree in the last 18 months, Chelsea will start each of the next five or six years about £100m in the red as far as FFP is concerned.  That's before they buy or sell a single player.  Imagine having to sell a Grealish every year just to get back LEVEL in FFP terms.

A couple of years outside the top 4, and they are screwed.
I read Mudryk is also on an 8 year contract too. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: TheMalandro on August 24, 2023, 03:23:36 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 24, 2023, 03:04:12 PM
I think Chelsea are walking a fine line, but they are exceptionally good at selling homegrown talent, which goes a very long way to keep them inside the rules.

Even this summer they've recouped £60m on Mount, £15m on Loftus-Cheek, £30m for Lewis Hall, that's more than a Grealish. They will also probably get £15m for Hudson-Odoi.

Then on non home-grown players they've managed to get most of their money back from Arsenal for Havertz (remarkably), and more money for Pulisic and Koulibaly.

As others have said, they are now going to have to walk a tightrope of always qualifying for the CL and moving on enough talent to hit the FFP figures.

I hope they crash and burn, obvs, but people do tend to focus on transfer fees outright and forget that it's more complex than that, it is a juggling act.

They’ve admitted there have been some irregularities before they took ownership - I hope that is looked at. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on August 24, 2023, 03:55:00 PM
			

			

				I thought Uefa had clamped down on contracts longer than 5 years after Chelsea were spreading all their January signings across 8 years but haven't they just done the same again with Caceido ?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 24, 2023, 04:00:33 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on August 24, 2023, 02:46:48 PM
Quote from: RamboandBruno on August 24, 2023, 08:03:11 AM
Quote from: KevinGage on August 24, 2023, 12:05:48 AM
Quote from: brontebilly on August 23, 2023, 10:49:57 PM
The Donk is a decent player, if there's not an obvious better replacement out there I'd keep him. We have plenty of games and his physical presence is handy to have in the squad. I don't get any sense that Iroegbunam has surpassed him in Emery's thinking either.
 

Donk and Kamara can both play centre half, which might come in useful as the season progresses.

I know there is the whole Stevenage mistake, but shit happens. I honestly don’t think Donk has ever really let us down. 

He was excellent in the Newcastle home game.

And the home wins v Brentford & Man Utd.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on August 24, 2023, 04:03:01 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on August 24, 2023, 03:55:00 PM
I thought Uefa had clamped down on contracts longer than 5 years after Chelsea were spreading all their January signings across 8 years but haven't they just done the same again with Caceido ?

And a seven year one today for Deivid Washington.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 24, 2023, 04:04:12 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on August 24, 2023, 03:55:00 PM
I thought Uefa had clamped down on contracts longer than 5 years after Chelsea were spreading all their January signings across 8 years but haven't they just done the same again with Caceido ?

Think you can still sign a player to an 8 year deal, but your can only spread the cost over a maximum 5 year period.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ger Regan on August 24, 2023, 04:06:15 PM
			

			

				European rules only allow max 5 years amortisation (regardless of contract length) but that hasn't been implemented in the Premier league.

Edit: what ADVF stated
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on August 24, 2023, 04:20:05 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 23, 2023, 09:13:35 PM
We also have a buy back clause on Ramsey which will lower the fee a bit. 

Pablo, we get it, you’re not happy but you’re going to have to get over it.

And I will. 

But if points are made that I disagree with, I will voice my opinion.

Which is the point of the forum...

We are not going to agree on everything. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: UK Redsox on August 24, 2023, 04:21:27 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pablo_picasso on August 24, 2023, 04:20:05 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 23, 2023, 09:13:35 PM
We also have a buy back clause on Ramsey which will lower the fee a bit. 

Pablo, we get it, you’re not happy but you’re going to have to get over it.

And I will. 

But if points are made that I disagree with, I will voice my opinion.

Which is the point of the forum...

We are not going to agree on everything. 

Yes we are




;)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on August 24, 2023, 04:24:46 PM
			

			

				😂
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on August 24, 2023, 05:42:46 PM
			

			

				A quick review at this point:

- Olsen looks like he is going to be number 2, so probably we're not going to see anyone coming in there.

- It looks like Konsa will be the back up RB or maybe even starting one, so we probably won't see anyone coming in there either (though I think we should)

- Four options currently at CB (after Mings' injury) so can't see any business there 

- Rumours persist about Digne leaving, bug that would leave us very short with Moreno still out.  Torres could cover but looks unconvincing there.  Think we'll see someone come in if Digne goes

- Central midfield looks solid with Kamara, Luiz, Tielemans and Dendoncker (if he stays)

- Still think the wide options are inconsistent, but we're probably looking at Bailey and Traore possibly being the options there, unless Diaby moves out there

- Attacking midfield areas look strong with McGinn and hopefully we'll see J Ramsey back soon.  We've got Diaby and Zaniolo for the number 10 role, though we might see the former push out wide if the latter impresses.  Coutinho also can play there and also Buendia when he returns.

- That leaves striker and like the previous couple of seasons, it's probably the area of most concern.  Ollie Watkins is a bit hot and cold (though to be fair is more often hot than cold) and now with Archer seemingly gone, there is only Duran as back up and he doesn't really look ready to play a major part yet.  I'm not sure if Diaby or Zaniolo could play in that position if Watkins is out, but we still look light there.

The left-back situation needs to be resolved, but apart from that, I'm not sure we'll see too many more coming in.  I would prefer proper RB competition for Cash, as I just feel that Konsa playing there weakens us a bit, as does Torres playing LB.  I still think our wide options are too inconsistent, but we might see Diaby out there if Zaniolo is any good.  We need another striker, but we've been saying that for a few seasons now, so obviously those in charge don't agree.



			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on August 24, 2023, 06:09:56 PM
			

			

				We had another striker in Danny Ings who we correctly let go in Jan so I don't think it's fair to say we've needed another striker for years.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on August 24, 2023, 06:13:15 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on August 24, 2023, 06:09:56 PM
We had another striker in Danny Ings who we correctly let go in Jan so I don't think it's fair to say we've needed another striker for years.

Meant more in terms of someone better than Watkins Eamonn.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Richard on August 24, 2023, 06:18:12 PM
			

			

				Struggling to think of anyone who is both better than Ollie and available.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on August 24, 2023, 06:26:59 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Richard on August 24, 2023, 06:18:12 PM
Struggling to think of anyone who is both better than Ollie and available.

without shelling out 50m+. That Balogun from Arsenal appears to moving from that price which is steep. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ian. on August 24, 2023, 06:28:36 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: tomd2103 on August 24, 2023, 06:13:15 PM
Quote from: eamonn on August 24, 2023, 06:09:56 PM
We had another striker in Danny Ings who we correctly let go in Jan so I don't think it's fair to say we've needed another striker for years.

Meant more in terms of someone better than Watkins Eamonn.

If you look at Watkins stats for assists and goals since Emery has arrived there is not much better out there.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on August 24, 2023, 06:29:50 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 24, 2023, 06:26:59 PM
Quote from: Richard on August 24, 2023, 06:18:12 PM
Struggling to think of anyone who is both better than Ollie and available.

without shelling out 50m+. That Balogun from Arsenal appears to moving from that price which is steep. 

If someone better than Ollie were available for £50m I imagine we'd be all over it.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on August 24, 2023, 06:41:47 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on August 24, 2023, 06:29:50 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 24, 2023, 06:26:59 PM
Quote from: Richard on August 24, 2023, 06:18:12 PM
Struggling to think of anyone who is both better than Ollie and available.

without shelling out 50m+. That Balogun from Arsenal appears to moving from that price which is steep. 

If someone better than Ollie were available for £50m I imagine we'd be all over it.

yep. In the current market, if the likes of Balogun are going for £50m, what's Ollie worth? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on August 24, 2023, 06:44:40 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Richard on August 24, 2023, 06:18:12 PM
Struggling to think of anyone who is both better than Ollie and available.

I agree with that and think we are currently looking at more of a back up option now.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 24, 2023, 07:52:04 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on August 24, 2023, 06:29:50 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 24, 2023, 06:26:59 PM
Quote from: Richard on August 24, 2023, 06:18:12 PM
Struggling to think of anyone who is both better than Ollie and available.

without shelling out 50m+. That Balogun from Arsenal appears to moving from that price which is steep. 

If someone better than Ollie were available for £50m I imagine we'd be all over it.

He was and we weren't.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on August 24, 2023, 07:54:42 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on August 24, 2023, 06:29:50 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 24, 2023, 06:26:59 PM
Quote from: Richard on August 24, 2023, 06:18:12 PM
Struggling to think of anyone who is both better than Ollie and available.

without shelling out 50m+. That Balogun from Arsenal appears to moving from that price which is steep. 

If someone better than Ollie were available for £50m I imagine we'd be all over it.

Champions League teams tend to snaffle those types so good chance we would be blown out of the water. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 24, 2023, 08:00:27 PM
			

			

				I have a feeling we won't do any more business, or if we do it will be with one of those bigger named players we were linked with earlier that turned us down but haven't moved anywhere else yet. One last hurrah to close the window.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: WarszaVillan on August 24, 2023, 08:09:55 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on August 24, 2023, 07:54:42 PM
Quote from: Dave on August 24, 2023, 06:29:50 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 24, 2023, 06:26:59 PM
Quote from: Richard on August 24, 2023, 06:18:12 PM
Struggling to think of anyone who is both better than Ollie and available.
 

without shelling out 50m+. That Balogun from Arsenal appears to moving from that price which is steep. 

If someone better than Ollie were available for £50m I imagine we'd be all over it.

Champions League teams tend to snaffle those types so good chance we would be blown out of the water. 


Watkins has scored 46 goals in 119 games for us, which is a goal around every 2.5 games. That is an extremely good return and as he is now playing in a successful attacking team, rather than a boring Gerrard one, then his stats should continue to go up. I can't see how we could better atm and if we were to sell him there would be a host of top sides looking to buy him.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: KevinGage on August 24, 2023, 08:14:37 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 24, 2023, 08:00:27 PM
I have a feeling we won't do any more business, or if we do it will be with one of those bigger named players we were linked with earlier that turned us down but haven't moved anywhere else yet. One last hurrah to close the window.

Think we'll see at least one utility-type player to cover right back or right mid (thought Tyler Adams was ideal for this) and maybe a leftback, depending on the LD situation. 

But after that, we're done. 

Any one from Watkins, Zaniolo and Duran up top suggests to me a forward won't be a massive priority. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on August 24, 2023, 11:28:50 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: KevinGage on August 24, 2023, 08:14:37 PM
Quote from: AV84 on August 24, 2023, 08:00:27 PM
I have a feeling we won't do any more business, or if we do it will be with one of those bigger named players we were linked with earlier that turned us down but haven't moved anywhere else yet. One last hurrah to close the window.

Think we'll see at least one utility-type player to cover right back or right mid (thought Tyler Adams was ideal for this) and maybe a leftback, depending on the LD situation. 

But after that, we're done. 

Any one from Watkins, Zaniolo and Duran up top suggests to me a forward won't be a massive priority.

I must confess to not knowing too much about Zaniolo - can he play as a striker?  He's playing as a 'number 10' or wide in the footage I have seen.  Not sure if Diaby could play in that role either.

I think it could be a left-back to replace Digne if he goes (or it will be a left-back and then Digne will be off) and that will be it.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on August 24, 2023, 11:48:10 PM
			

			

				Emery has made no secret that he expects more in, Monchi said as much before Zaniolo. I reckon there's a couple more yet. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 24, 2023, 11:50:23 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ozzjim on August 24, 2023, 11:48:10 PM
Emery has made no secret that he expects more in, Monchi said as much before Zaniolo. I reckon there's a couple more yet.

I'm assuming one of them was Acuña. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Matt C on August 25, 2023, 01:28:33 AM
			

			

				I’d guess a versatile defender and another forward who can play wide still to come yet. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeonW on August 25, 2023, 02:41:46 AM
			

			

				I must admit; I think Taiwo Awoniyi at Forrest would be a useful addition. He’ll be more expensive in the future I reckon.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on August 25, 2023, 08:41:24 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeonW on August 25, 2023, 02:41:46 AM
I must admit; I think Taiwo Awoniyi at Forrest would be a useful addition. He’ll be more expensive in the future I reckon.

I've thought the same but they'd (rightly) probably want too much now, but it does show that these players are out there, what  he cost last summer would be a very reasonable amount to spend on a backup for Ollie who could push him a bit.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on August 25, 2023, 09:30:48 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ozzjim on August 24, 2023, 11:48:10 PM
Emery has made no secret that he expects more in, Monchi said as much before Zaniolo. I reckon there's a couple more yet.
We are at least 3 players short. We are playing russian roullette in certain positions 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 25, 2023, 09:42:50 AM
			

			

				I agree, we are short of where we need to be, a situation obviously impacted by the two horrific injuries we’ve suffered. 

I think we’ll do more. 

I can’t believe, for example, that we would sell archer and not replace him. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on August 25, 2023, 09:50:39 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: VillaTim on August 25, 2023, 09:30:48 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 24, 2023, 11:48:10 PM
Emery has made no secret that he expects more in, Monchi said as much before Zaniolo. I reckon there's a couple more yet.
We are at least 3 players short. We are playing russian roullette in certain positions
We're really not. Konsa & Chambers can cover RB, and Duran, Diaby, Bailey, or Zaniolo can cover centre forward if needed. I know Olsen isn't the best keeper we've ever had or anything, but realistically he isn't going to play much, and very few teams in the league have a significantly better backup keeper anyway.

Not to say that bringing in a couple more players wouldn't be handy, but we're at a stage where I'd be  comfortable going in to the first half of the season as we are, and only spending more if it suited us ... either because a player's available for less than they might otherwise be, or we can attract a player who maybe wouldn't have considered a move earlier in the summer.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on August 25, 2023, 09:54:34 AM
			

			

				We are short.  This is the Villa way.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on August 25, 2023, 09:58:34 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on August 25, 2023, 09:54:34 AM
We are short.  This is the Villa way.

I think we definitely need another striker with Archer going.

I'd like another right-back and a better reserve keeper, and would definitely feel happier if we had them. But I wouldn't be devestated if we didn't get them.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on August 25, 2023, 10:23:48 AM
			

			

				Been linked with Ansu Fati from Barcelona this morning.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 25, 2023, 10:35:50 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on August 25, 2023, 10:23:48 AM
Been linked with Ansu Fati from Barcelona this morning.

That would be a very exciting signing, unlikely but would be a real statement.

Can aslo see Torres or Felix happening late on as loan with option deal, would be happy with either or those.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 25, 2023, 10:43:51 AM
			

			

				Lots of shouts from the crowd ’ come on Fati ‘. Remind me of my school days 😔😃
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on August 25, 2023, 10:43:52 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on August 25, 2023, 10:35:50 AM
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on August 25, 2023, 10:23:48 AM
Been linked with Ansu Fati from Barcelona this morning.

That would be a very exciting signing, unlikely but would be a real statement.

Can aslo see Torres or Felix happening late on as loan with option deal, would be happy with either or those.

I’d agree, any of them would be a welcome addition and think a loan to buy would be the way to go. They’re hope to move to a bigger club hasn’t materialised so it’s either move down the order or don’t play. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on August 25, 2023, 10:45:08 AM
			

			

				Fati, Felix, Torres and Ezzalzouli all linked regularly. I'd suggest the first three wouldn't consider us. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SamTheMouse on August 25, 2023, 10:47:13 AM
			

			

				Given Watkins' comments in that Times article, I suspect we won't bother signing an out-and-out striker. If we bring anyone else in, it'll be a forward capable of playing anywhere up front.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on August 25, 2023, 10:48:57 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on August 25, 2023, 10:45:08 AM
Fati, Felix, Torres and Ezzalzouli all linked regularly. I'd suggest the first three wouldn't consider us. 

The first two are both Mendes clients, so will probably be strongly advised on the best place for them.

If he can persuade Ruben Neves that joining Wolves in the Championship is a good idea, I reckon he can persuade Fati that Villa Park might be fun for a few years.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on August 25, 2023, 10:49:12 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on August 25, 2023, 10:45:08 AM
Fati, Felix, Torres and Ezzalzouli all linked regularly. I'd suggest the first three wouldn't consider us.

I watched Barca last week and the last player you mentioned looked quite good when he came on, very quick.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Baldy on August 25, 2023, 10:58:04 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on August 25, 2023, 10:45:08 AM
Fati, Felix, Torres and Ezzalzouli all linked regularly. I'd suggest the first three wouldn't consider us.

Give 'em an 8 year contract!!

If it's good for the goose ...........
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 25, 2023, 11:03:34 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on August 25, 2023, 10:45:08 AM
Fati, Felix, Torres and Ezzalzouli all linked regularly. I'd suggest the first three wouldn't consider us. 

I am scratching my head, trying and struggling to recall the full list of players we've been linked with from Barcelona as well as the two major ones - Lipup, Fati. 

Lipup, Fati .... Fati, Reggé?

Think that's the lot?


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on August 25, 2023, 11:03:41 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on August 25, 2023, 10:23:48 AM
Been linked with Ansu Fati from Barcelona this morning.
Potential to reinstate the Tuanzebe song, then ...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 25, 2023, 11:08:52 AM
			

			

				re whether we have enough cover here and there etc in terms of needing more incomings - worth remembering, we could find ourselves playing 70 games this season, compared to, what, 40/41 last year?

We are not just going to need cover on a 'if injuries' basis, we are going to need to be able to rotate significantly to play that many matches.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on August 25, 2023, 11:16:15 AM
			

			

				Completely. Diaby looks bloody awesome, but he's going to need a rest. Another versatile forward that can create the space his pace does is massively important. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Chris Smith on August 25, 2023, 11:40:10 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 25, 2023, 11:03:34 AM
Quote from: Drummond on August 25, 2023, 10:45:08 AM
Fati, Felix, Torres and Ezzalzouli all linked regularly. I'd suggest the first three wouldn't consider us. 

I am scratching my head, trying and struggling to recall the full list of players we've been linked with from Barcelona as well as the two major ones - Lipup, Fati. 

Lipup, Fati .... Fati, Reggé?

Think that's the lot?



It would give Emery a Special Brew of talent to work with.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: JD on August 25, 2023, 11:43:58 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Chris Smith on August 25, 2023, 11:40:10 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 25, 2023, 11:03:34 AM
Quote from: Drummond on August 25, 2023, 10:45:08 AM
Fati, Felix, Torres and Ezzalzouli all linked regularly. I'd suggest the first three wouldn't consider us. 

I am scratching my head, trying and struggling to recall the full list of players we've been linked with from Barcelona as well as the two major ones - Lipup, Fati. 

Lipup, Fati .... Fati, Reggé?

Think that's the lot?



It would give Emery a Special Brew of talent to work with.

Fantastic Paulie. Excuse my bad manners. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on August 25, 2023, 11:47:01 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: JD on August 25, 2023, 11:43:58 AM
Quote from: Chris Smith on August 25, 2023, 11:40:10 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 25, 2023, 11:03:34 AM
Quote from: Drummond on August 25, 2023, 10:45:08 AM
Fati, Felix, Torres and Ezzalzouli all linked regularly. I'd suggest the first three wouldn't consider us. 

I am scratching my head, trying and struggling to recall the full list of players we've been linked with from Barcelona as well as the two major ones - Lipup, Fati. 

Lipup, Fati .... Fati, Reggé?

Think that's the lot?



It would give Emery a Special Brew of talent to work with.

Fantastic Paulie. Excuse my bad manners. 

I laughed so hard I Buster Bloodvessel.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on August 25, 2023, 11:51:25 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on August 25, 2023, 10:48:57 AM
Quote from: Drummond on August 25, 2023, 10:45:08 AM
Fati, Felix, Torres and Ezzalzouli all linked regularly. I'd suggest the first three wouldn't consider us. 

The first two are both Mendes clients, so will probably be strongly advised on the best place for them.

If he can persuade Ruben Neves that joining Wolves in the Championship is a good idea, I reckon he can persuade Fati that Villa Park might be fun for a few years.

He doesn’t ‘persuade’ he traf….ermm he tells them where they are going
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on August 25, 2023, 12:40:30 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ozzjim on August 25, 2023, 11:16:15 AM
Completely. Diaby looks bloody awesome, but he's going to need a rest. Another versatile forward that can create the space his pace does is massively important. 

Zaniolo looks like he's that player for me.

If Archer goes then we'd need someone else in, Fati, Torres, Chiesa, Felix have all bene linked and would all be good as cover for Watkins whilst also being able to replace Bailey, McGinn or Diaby in the team from the last 2.

Another right back would be good but given how set on loading us to attack with the left back Emery is I think Konsa and Chambers are viable options.

For the keeper I wonder if he sees Marschall as being close to stepping up so isn't worried about replacing Olsen, that would explain the extra keeper on the bench so often as well so he could make sure Marschall was firmly part of the squad if/when needed. Then there's sinisalo to come back next summer as well and he looks a very decent option as well.

Other than that I don't see many obvious gaps in the squad unless we have more outgoings. The injuries make things look worse than they are but everyone except Mings and Buendia should be fit after the international window and then the squad looks pretty full to me.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: jwarry on August 25, 2023, 01:16:45 PM
			

			

				Dare I say it but Ezzelzouli has a touch of you know who about him
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Mister E on August 25, 2023, 02:37:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ozzjim on August 25, 2023, 11:16:15 AM
Completely. Diaby looks bloody awesome, but he's going to need a rest. Another versatile forward that can create the space his pace does is massively important. 
 What, like Archer you mean?!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on August 25, 2023, 02:40:49 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Mister E on August 25, 2023, 02:37:18 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 25, 2023, 11:16:15 AM
Completely. Diaby looks bloody awesome, but he's going to need a rest. Another versatile forward that can create the space his pace does is massively important. 
 What, like Archer you mean?!

Archer is obviously a very talented young player but I'm not sure I'd describe him as particularly versatile. More "very good at the one thing that he's on the pitch to do". 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on August 25, 2023, 03:55:39 PM
			

			

				Spoke about Digne not moving and being happy with his squad. I haven’t heard the rest of the press interview but Unai sounds in no rush to bring anyone else in? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on August 25, 2023, 04:27:15 PM
			

			

				If we were keen on moving Digne on then I'm surprised we weren't all over getting Tierney in. Surprised he is off to Sociedad on loan. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: lovejoy on August 25, 2023, 04:32:29 PM
			

			

				In a beautiful city to play champions league football?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on August 25, 2023, 04:36:07 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: lovejoy on August 25, 2023, 04:32:29 PM
In a beautiful city to play champions league football?

Birmingham has a Xmas market though 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 25, 2023, 04:46:01 PM
			

			

				I think our squad is looking alright, its the injuries that have us a bit thin looking. Hopefully Ramsey and Moreno are back before too long, which definitely shores us up a bit. 

6 to choose from the 9 of Ramsey, Luiz, McGinn, Kamara, Tielemans, Bailey, Diaby, Zoniolo, and Watkins

3 of them on the bench with Traoré, Duran, Dendocker, Coutinho, and possibly still Archer and/or Philogene. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 25, 2023, 05:44:11 PM
			

			

				It’s worth considering, in a parallel world we’d have been raided for Martinez and Luiz. 

The fact that hasn’t happened means this window is a success in my opinion. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 25, 2023, 06:29:06 PM
			

			

				That's a good point, Dante.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: danno on August 25, 2023, 06:30:35 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 25, 2023, 05:44:11 PM
It’s worth considering, in a parallel world we’d have been raided for Martinez and Luiz. 

The fact that hasn’t happened means this window is a success in my opinion.

Windows not closed yet!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 25, 2023, 06:35:59 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: jwarry on August 25, 2023, 01:16:45 PM
Dare I say it but Ezzelzouli has a touch of you know who about him

So long as it isn't Tonev.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: TheMalandro on August 25, 2023, 07:26:36 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on August 25, 2023, 06:35:59 PM
Quote from: jwarry on August 25, 2023, 01:16:45 PM
Dare I say it but Ezzelzouli has a touch of you know who about him

So long as it isn't Tonev.

Or Adam Johnson
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on August 25, 2023, 07:28:37 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 25, 2023, 05:44:11 PM
It’s worth considering, in a parallel world we’d have been raided for Martinez and Luiz. 

The fact that hasn’t happened means this window is a success in my opinion.

Let’s wait till window shut before we celebrate it…Arsenal came for Douglas on last day last year.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on August 25, 2023, 09:11:56 PM
			

			

				We really need a couple of additions in.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on August 25, 2023, 09:20:04 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 25, 2023, 09:11:56 PM
We really need a couple of additions in.

As things stand we've got 3 games until the international window and then afterwards we should have JJ, Moreno, Donk, Iroegbunam and Coutinho (I know he's looking like he might go) all back fit. Once we're there I think the squad looks pretty full even with the 2 long-term injuries. I reckon we'll get 1 more and probably replace anyone that leaves but I'd say most of our shopping is done now.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 25, 2023, 09:26:09 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on August 25, 2023, 10:23:48 AM
Been linked with Ansu Fati from Barcelona this morning.

It's just my own zany, idiosyncratic opinion, and probably no-one will agree, but if we were to sign him I can only see him featuring in the midweek games. Euro one for me, Fati.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Vegas on August 25, 2023, 10:42:44 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on August 25, 2023, 09:26:09 PM
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on August 25, 2023, 10:23:48 AM
Been linked with Ansu Fati from Barcelona this morning.

It's just my own zany, idiosyncratic opinion, and probably no-one will agree, but if we were to sign him I can only see him featuring in the midweek games. Euro one for me, Fati.

Ansu Fati is an anagram of Faustian. I hope there’s no selling of souls  to the devil required to get him on board
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on August 25, 2023, 11:14:41 PM
			

			

				Selling the kids for FFP, moving Coutinho on to remove his wages, potentially moving Digne on for his wages to be cleared off, surely this is leading towards us going hard for a couple of Emery's key targets. Maybe a Foyth who he knows, Fati as a forward option, maybe a couple of loans. There's clearly a strategy at play. We might not see it in full until the next couple of windows, but somethings afoot because we're putting ourselves in a strong place with FFP, but walking a tightrope with the squad depth. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on August 25, 2023, 11:33:00 PM
			

			

				I presume that Zaniolo and Diaby can play the number 10 role, as well as further forward or out wide, but letting Coutinho go does leave us a bit short overall with Luiz, Kamara, McGinn, Ramsey, Dendonker (who Emery made some interesting comments about), Tielemans as mainstay midfield players and then big Tim to cover if he doesn't go back out on loan again.  With some many games to play, we may need another midfielder in too.  Coutinho, Davis, Archer and Bidace going, leaves us with an experienced but lightish squad of only around 21 players if we don't count the likes of Tim and some of the kids. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on August 25, 2023, 11:36:48 PM
			

			

				Issue is Traore is made of glass, Buendia is out. Bailey, Ollie and Diaby are the first choice front 3, but behind them now you have Duran who's very raw, Zaniolo who's unknown fitness and readiness wise for the prem, and very little else. Emery likes 2 players in each role, for me we're a winger and a utility forward light, and a defender. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on August 25, 2023, 11:42:12 PM
			

			

				Traore is in the last year of his contract, which might make him want to earn another contract, although I doubt it.  Bailey is so hit and miss.  I agree that we could do with a right sided winger and another forward, I'd also like another central midfielder to step in for Kamara as Dendonker may also be on his way out.  Right back needed too.  I agree with you Jim. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on August 25, 2023, 11:45:10 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ozzjim on August 25, 2023, 11:14:41 PM
Selling the kids for FFP, moving Coutinho on to remove his wages, potentially moving Digne on for his wages to be cleared off, surely this is leading towards us going hard for a couple of Emery's key targets. Maybe a Foyth who he knows, Fati as a forward option, maybe a couple of loans. There's clearly a strategy at play. We might not see it in full until the next couple of windows, but somethings afoot because we're putting ourselves in a strong place with FFP, but walking a tightrope with the squad depth. 

Are we? For me we have the strongest squad I can remember right now:

GK: Martinez, Olsen*, Marschall^
RB: Cash, Chambers*
LB: Moreno, Digne
CB: Pau, Carlos, Konsa, Mings!
DM: Kamara, Donk
CM: Luiz, Tielemans, McGinn
AM: Ramsey, Coutinho, Buendia!
W: Bailey, Bertie*
10: Diaby, Zaniolo
St: Watkins, Duran^

That's a 25 man squad. Yes there are a few of potential weak links (*), a couple of injuries (!) and a couple of U21s(^) who don't need to be registered but that's pretty much a premier league squad. 

Getting a right back (and moving Chambers to cover at CB until Mings is fit), and getting someone who can cover Buendia but also be competition for Watkins is about all we could do without starting to see a bomb squad form so aside from those 2 we're pretty much 1out, 1in now in terms of depth. I think it's easy to miss that when we currently have 6-8 players out injured (depending on Emi and whether you count Tim) but the depth is there and will be available in 3-4 weeks time.

I think this is why we're seeing links to people like Coutinho (and previously Digne) going out because we need to create space as much as anything. We already have a bit of a problem in that we can only really name 22 players for Europe (of the 4 home grown in club places we can only fill 1) which means we can only add 1 more  before we are looking at leaving people out of that squad. I think this is also why we've got a few players who can do 2-3 different jobs and Emery has experimented with moving people about at times, to give us a bit more depth without creating problems.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 25, 2023, 11:49:06 PM
			

			

				Duran as the alternative for Watkins is pretty piss poor in terms of a drop off.

That squad is going to have to play up to 70 matches this season.

It looks like a squad strong enough to manage last season.

Take your marked weak links out, and also the long term injured and it doesn't look anything like strong enough for me. 

I'm not sure, for example, Chambers as right back option works. If that was going to be how we went into the season, I'd have kept Ashley Young.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 25, 2023, 11:50:42 PM
			

			

				GK: Martinez, Marschall^
RB: Cash, 
LB: Moreno, Digne
CB: Pau, Carlos, Konsa
DM: Kamara, Donk
CM: Luiz, Tielemans, McGinn
AM: Ramsey, Coutinho
W: Bailey
10: Diaby, Zaniolo
St: Watkins, Duran^

That ^^ is the squad minus the long term injured and the weak links, for example. Extremely patchy.

Take Countinho out, if reports tonight are to be believed, and it is even worse.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on August 26, 2023, 12:01:22 AM
			

			

				I would argue that Buendia and Mings are out for the season, so their spaces fundamentally need filling if we want to go deep in 2 cups and maintain a top 10 league position. Currently the reality is that should Konsa get injured, you are down to 2 fit centre halves and Chambers covering, and Chambers is one most of us thought would move on this summer. He's become the key backup since Mings got injured. That's a tightrope for me. Likewise, tomorrow Diaby picks up an injury for 5-6 weeks, not unheard of with a player of his pace. 

With no Buendia, or Archer, your pace up top has gone, as has much of your creativity because Coutinho isn't there. For me, we're 3 short if Coutinho goes. We're also too heavily reliant on the form and fitness of Bailey, Diaby, Cash and Carlos in the current squad over a sustained period for it to be comfortable. Also keep in mind, Ramsey is still in a boot with his broken foot and Moreno isn't in training yet. 

We had a small squad last season and couldn't put a decent bench together at times. We've signed 4, got 2 first teamers out for the season and are in the process of selling more. It's not the end of the world, but for me we're light, and judging on what Monchi said before the sales a couple of weeks back, I think there's some ins to come.


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on August 26, 2023, 12:03:31 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 25, 2023, 11:50:42 PM
GK: Martinez, Marschall^
RB: Cash, 
LB: Moreno, Digne
CB: Pau, Carlos, Konsa
DM: Kamara, Donk
CM: Luiz, Tielemans, McGinn
AM: Ramsey, Coutinho
W: Bailey
10: Diaby, Zaniolo
St: Watkins, Duran^

That ^^ is the squad minus the long term injured and the weak links, for example. Extremely patchy.

Take Countinho out, if reports tonight are to be believed, and it is even worse.

I know, but just taking them off the list doesn't stop us paying their wages or them being around the squad, that's my point really, the squad (before the injuries) is as big as it should be and we won't make permanent signings to replace Mings or Buendia so we need to move on players we don't think are good enough before we can sign replacements.

Right now keeping Chambers as cover at centre back is clearly a better idea than selling him and bringing someone else in to cover Mings so there's only Olsen and Bert that you could say we should be looking to move on and replace (and for the latter I hate saying that but he's just wildly inconsistent) and I wouldn't be surprised if we are trying but will keep them if we can't find a buyer.

We can use the cover for Mings to sign a RB instead which I said is the clear gap in the squad. Coutinho going out would open up to bring in someone who can cover a few more positions up there a permanent addition and then we can consider a loan to cover Buendia but that's about it, there just isn't space to make more signings than that.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on August 26, 2023, 12:05:21 AM
			

			

				There is though. There's 4 spaces, 2 u21s, Mings and Buendia. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 26, 2023, 12:06:56 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on August 25, 2023, 11:33:00 PM
I presume that Zaniolo and Diaby can play the number 10 role, as well as further forward or out wide, but letting Coutinho go does leave us a bit short overall with Luiz, Kamara, McGinn, Ramsey, Dendonker (who Emery made some interesting comments about), Tielemans as mainstay midfield players and then big Tim to cover if he doesn't go back out on loan again.  With some many games to play, we may need another midfielder in too.  Coutinho, Davis, Archer and Bidace going, leaves us with an experienced but lightish squad of only around 21 players if we don't count the likes of Tim and some of the kids.

What did he say about Dendonker and when did he say it? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on August 26, 2023, 12:14:11 AM
			

			

				It's all in the Bham mail. Basically he's never found a consistent level and Emery wants him to find it because he thinks he will be useful. Over a 50-60 game season, giving Kamara and Doug some games off is vital, so Dendonker is. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 26, 2023, 12:16:23 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ozzjim on August 26, 2023, 12:14:11 AM
It's all in the Bham mail. Basically he's never found a consistent level and Emery wants him to find it because he thinks he will be useful. Over a 50-60 game season, giving Kamara and Doug some games off is vital, so Dendonker is.

Thanks. I know Donk was off for a bit during preseason, but I'm sure someone said the club socials posted a thing welcoming him back towards the end of preseason. But I don't think we've seen him since in any of the pictures or videos. I wonder is he training with the kids or something?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on August 26, 2023, 12:18:02 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ozzjim on August 26, 2023, 12:05:21 AM
There is though. There's 4 spaces, 2 u21s, Mings and Buendia. 

That's only in the premier league, in Europe there's 1. Also just because players are technically U21 if they're going to be a consistent part of the squad we have to count them. Marschall is ready to be a 3rd choice keeper, that's he's still only doesn't mean we can sign a new keeper, keep Olsen and push Marschall further away from the squad.

As I've said, I see Coutinho going out as us opening a space for someone a little more versatile and who can cover 2-3 positions (including up front) and I agree with everyone that we should be bringing in a right back but after that it's selling people or leaving first team squad members out of the european squad.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on August 26, 2023, 03:24:17 AM
			

			

				Are we playing 50, 60 or 70 games this season?! They've all been suggested in the last page. I don't think its possible for us to reach 70, is it? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 26, 2023, 06:07:46 AM
			

			

				The last two windows suggest Emery likes a lean squad.  

It makes sense too (from his perspective) because if he has X more players then his “mr detail” workload increases.  I feel he is more confident making Konsa a RB for 10 games than having an extra body but no time to hone them tactically.      
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on August 26, 2023, 06:55:46 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 26, 2023, 06:07:46 AM
The last two windows suggest Emery likes a lean squad.  

It makes sense too (from his perspective) because if he has X more players then his “mr detail” workload increases.  I feel he is more confident making Konsa a RB for 10 games than having an extra body but no time to hone them tactically.      

Which is fine if for those ten games you're confident in the centre of defence being solid, but with realistically 3 fit centre halves and Chambers, are we. It might all be OK. Certainly through till Jan, but I don't believe for a second that Emery is 100% happy with the squad as it is. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 26, 2023, 07:00:12 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ozzjim on August 26, 2023, 06:55:46 AM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 26, 2023, 06:07:46 AM
The last two windows suggest Emery likes a lean squad.  

It makes sense too (from his perspective) because if he has X more players then his “mr detail” workload increases.  I feel he is more confident making Konsa a RB for 10 games than having an extra body but no time to hone them tactically.      

Which is fine if for those ten games you're confident in the centre of defence being solid, but with realistically 3 fit centre halves and Chambers, are we. It might all be OK. Certainly through till Jan, but I don't believe for a second that Emery is 100% happy with the squad as it is. 

It’s four isn’t it?  Konsa, Chambers, Carlos and Pau.  Plus Feeney/Donk and Kamara as emergency reserve.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on August 26, 2023, 07:42:56 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on August 26, 2023, 03:24:17 AM
Are we playing 50, 60 or 70 games this season?! They've all been suggested in the last page. I don't think its possible for us to reach 70, is it? 

League - 38 games
Europe - 15 games if you get to the final
League Cup - 6 games if you reach the final
FA Cup - 6 games if you reach the final

Total games possible, 65 games.
The minimum now is 48. So somewhere between those two numbers. 50+ is certainly very likely.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on August 26, 2023, 07:43:32 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on August 25, 2023, 11:45:10 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 25, 2023, 11:14:41 PM
Selling the kids for FFP, moving Coutinho on to remove his wages, potentially moving Digne on for his wages to be cleared off, surely this is leading towards us going hard for a couple of Emery's key targets. Maybe a Foyth who he knows, Fati as a forward option, maybe a couple of loans. There's clearly a strategy at play. We might not see it in full until the next couple of windows, but somethings afoot because we're putting ourselves in a strong place with FFP, but walking a tightrope with the squad depth. 

Are we? For me we have the strongest squad I can remember right now:

GK: Martinez, Olsen*, Marschall^
RB: Cash, Chambers*
LB: Moreno, Digne
CB: Pau, Carlos, Konsa, Mings!
DM: Kamara, Donk
CM: Luiz, Tielemans, McGinn
AM: Ramsey, Coutinho, Buendia!
W: Bailey, Bertie*
10: Diaby, Zaniolo
St: Watkins, Duran^

That's a 25 man squad. Yes there are a few of potential weak links (*), a couple of injuries (!) and a couple of U21s(^) who don't need to be registered but that's pretty much a premier league squad. 

Getting a right back (and moving Chambers to cover at CB until Mings is fit), and getting someone who can cover Buendia but also be competition for Watkins is about all we could do without starting to see a bomb squad form so aside from those 2 we're pretty much 1out, 1in now in terms of depth. I think it's easy to miss that when we currently have 6-8 players out injured (depending on Emi and whether you count Tim) but the depth is there and will be available in 3-4 weeks time.

I think this is why we're seeing links to people like Coutinho (and previously Digne) going out because we need to create space as much as anything. We already have a bit of a problem in that we can only really name 22 players for Europe (of the 4 home grown in club places we can only fill 1) which means we can only add 1 more  before we are looking at leaving people out of that squad. I think this is also why we've got a few players who can do 2-3 different jobs and Emery has experimented with moving people about at times, to give us a bit more depth without creating problems.
Exactly what I was thinking. Injuries cover up what's a pretty full squad, and one that whatever people think can't grow much for European matches due to a lack of 'homegrown' players. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: stevo_st on August 26, 2023, 07:50:57 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on August 26, 2023, 07:42:56 AM
Quote from: eamonn on August 26, 2023, 03:24:17 AM
Are we playing 50, 60 or 70 games this season?! They've all been suggested in the last page. I don't think its possible for us to reach 70, is it? 

League - 38 games
Europe - 15 games if you get to the final
League Cup - 6 games if you reach the final
FA Cup - 6 games if you reach the final

Total games possible, 65 games.
The minimum now is 48. So somewhere between those two numbers. 50+ is certainly very likely.

Plus internationals which will become more of a problem for us as we raise the quality of the squad
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on August 26, 2023, 08:10:09 AM
			

			

				If we’re selling Coutinho the need for players is even more heightened.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ian c. on August 26, 2023, 08:14:14 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Vegas on August 25, 2023, 10:42:44 PM

Ansu Fati is an anagram of Faustian.

Lowering the tone somewhat it's also an anagram of I Fat Anus. Which hopefully, should be join us, isn't prophetic.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on August 26, 2023, 08:28:58 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: algy on August 26, 2023, 07:43:32 AM
Quote from: paul_e on August 25, 2023, 11:45:10 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 25, 2023, 11:14:41 PM
Selling the kids for FFP, moving Coutinho on to remove his wages, potentially moving Digne on for his wages to be cleared off, surely this is leading towards us going hard for a couple of Emery's key targets. Maybe a Foyth who he knows, Fati as a forward option, maybe a couple of loans. There's clearly a strategy at play. We might not see it in full until the next couple of windows, but somethings afoot because we're putting ourselves in a strong place with FFP, but walking a tightrope with the squad depth. 

Are we? For me we have the strongest squad I can remember right now:

GK: Martinez, Olsen*, Marschall^
RB: Cash, Chambers*
LB: Moreno, Digne
CB: Pau, Carlos, Konsa, Mings!
DM: Kamara, Donk
CM: Luiz, Tielemans, McGinn
AM: Ramsey, Coutinho, Buendia!
W: Bailey, Bertie*
10: Diaby, Zaniolo
St: Watkins, Duran^

That's a 25 man squad. Yes there are a few of potential weak links (*), a couple of injuries (!) and a couple of U21s(^) who don't need to be registered but that's pretty much a premier league squad. 

Getting a right back (and moving Chambers to cover at CB until Mings is fit), and getting someone who can cover Buendia but also be competition for Watkins is about all we could do without starting to see a bomb squad form so aside from those 2 we're pretty much 1out, 1in now in terms of depth. I think it's easy to miss that when we currently have 6-8 players out injured (depending on Emi and whether you count Tim) but the depth is there and will be available in 3-4 weeks time.

I think this is why we're seeing links to people like Coutinho (and previously Digne) going out because we need to create space as much as anything. We already have a bit of a problem in that we can only really name 22 players for Europe (of the 4 home grown in club places we can only fill 1) which means we can only add 1 more  before we are looking at leaving people out of that squad. I think this is also why we've got a few players who can do 2-3 different jobs and Emery has experimented with moving people about at times, to give us a bit more depth without creating problems.
Exactly what I was thinking. Injuries cover up what's a pretty full squad, and one that whatever people think can't grow much for European matches due to a lack of 'homegrown' players.
I think it’s less about the numbers though and more about the quality.  As you say having 5 or so out injured makes the squad look thin but the drop of in a number of positions is huge.  Injuries to Watkins, Martinez potentially could derail a season.  And ithe wingers / second striker could leave us with very few options likewise at right back.    

It’s a strong squad but with the demands that could be placed on it - we could be tight.  I think we’ll see another 1 or 2 in which will probably balance things about right 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Anthenagin on August 26, 2023, 08:42:35 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ian c. on August 26, 2023, 08:14:14 AM
Quote from: Vegas on August 25, 2023, 10:42:44 PM

Ansu Fati is an anagram of Faustian.

Lowering the tone somewhat it's also an anagram of I Fat Anus. Which hopefully, should be join us, isn't prophetic.

Surely I Fat Anus is cover for John McGinn’s arse?!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villafirst on August 26, 2023, 09:22:50 AM
			

			

				With the injuries already, plus outgoings the squad looks way too thin for potentially 50 plus matches. A couple more injuries, and fatigue and the season could be ruined. I really thought the squad would have a much stronger look by this stage of the transfer window. Perhaps they'll sign a couple more before deadline day next Thursday?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on August 26, 2023, 09:27:06 AM
			

			

				I would be happy with a RB and back up goalkeeper.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on August 26, 2023, 09:52:19 AM
			

			

				The biggest surprise in this window is that other clubs that are or see themselves as big clubs haven’t come for our better players to unsettle a competitor like Manchester City did to us, Arsenal & Everton when their govt took them over….if Caicedo is 100m+ then Douglas & Kamara come into the same grouping.

Sure it would be good to get 1 or 2 more in but keeping our better players is vital.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rigadon on August 26, 2023, 10:09:49 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Gareth on August 26, 2023, 09:52:19 AM
The biggest surprise in this window is that other clubs that are or see themselves as big clubs haven’t come for our better players to unsettle a competitor like Manchester City did to us, Arsenal & Everton when their govt took them over….if Caicedo is 100m+ then Douglas & Kamara come into the same grouping.

Sure it would be good to get 1 or 2 more in but keeping our better players is vital.

Yep, but to break into the CL you probably need to do both
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on August 26, 2023, 10:13:33 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 26, 2023, 08:10:09 AM
If we’re selling Coutinho the need for players is even more heightened.

We can't rely on him so it's best he leaves. I'm disappointed we have let likes of Aaron Ramsey and Archer go though, they would have got plenty of chances this season. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: jwarry on August 26, 2023, 10:17:19 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: brontebilly on August 26, 2023, 10:13:33 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 26, 2023, 08:10:09 AM
If we’re selling Coutinho the need for players is even more heightened.

We can't rely on him so it's best he leaves. I'm disappointed we have let likes of Aaron Ramsey and Archer go though, they would have got plenty of chances this season. 
you may nit be by the end of the window though 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 26, 2023, 10:48:39 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: brontebilly on August 26, 2023, 10:13:33 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 26, 2023, 08:10:09 AM
If we’re selling Coutinho the need for players is even more heightened.

We can't rely on him so it's best he leaves. I'm disappointed we have let likes of Aaron Ramsey and Archer go though, they would have got plenty of chances this season. 

Yep, I’d have used the European games to test Ramsey, Archer, PJB and possibly Tim.  The club have decided to go another route and I can only assume They’ll all be replaced by one more established forward.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john2710 on August 26, 2023, 10:57:24 AM
			

			

				I think Ramsay will show his worth at Burnley & he'll be back at Villa Park within a year or two. If Jacob was coming into contention now, we'd be doing exactly the same thing with him as we are with Aaron. We aren't the lower table team we were.

Archer I'm less convinced by, he's a finisher but we'll see.

We need a right back, another centre half & someone who can play across the front. 

You can add in a left back & a no10 if Digne or Couthino go.

But I can't see all that happening over the next few days.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SamTheMouse on August 26, 2023, 11:01:59 AM
			

			

				Whoever we sign needs to stay fit. Paying players to lie on the treatment table is a recipe for losing games and money quickly. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on August 26, 2023, 11:04:50 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: SamTheMouse on August 26, 2023, 11:01:59 AM
Whoever we sign needs to stay fit. Paying players to lie on the treatment table is a recipe for losing games and money quickly.
I would love to know how the club can guarantee that.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on August 26, 2023, 11:25:19 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 26, 2023, 10:48:39 AM
Quote from: brontebilly on August 26, 2023, 10:13:33 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 26, 2023, 08:10:09 AM
If we’re selling Coutinho the need for players is even more heightened.

We can't rely on him so it's best he leaves. I'm disappointed we have let likes of Aaron Ramsey and Archer go though, they would have got plenty of chances this season. 

Yep, I’d have used the European games to test Ramsey, Archer, PJB and possibly Tim.  The club have decided to go another route and I can only assume They’ll all be replaced by one more established forward.

That would have been my thinking with keeping Archer and Ramsey jnr. They could have quite easily been in the starting 11 against Hibs and played 3/4 group games against the 5th best team in Macedonia and held their own. Moving them on was good for FFP but I would have liked to have given them  a chance here.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 26, 2023, 12:26:00 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Gareth on August 26, 2023, 09:52:19 AM
The biggest surprise in this window is that other clubs that are or see themselves as big clubs haven’t come for our better players to unsettle a competitor like Manchester City did to us, Arsenal & Everton when their govt took them over….if Caicedo is 100m+ then Douglas & Kamara come into the same grouping.

Poch was saying yesterday he wants a new keeper so I wouldn't count my chickens just yet. But I do remember seeing something that implied we'd made it clear earlier in the window that approaches for certain players wouldn't be entertained at all, which implies everyone's happy staying here and won't push for moves. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on August 26, 2023, 12:30:10 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 26, 2023, 12:26:00 PM
Quote from: Gareth on August 26, 2023, 09:52:19 AM
The biggest surprise in this window is that other clubs that are or see themselves as big clubs haven’t come for our better players to unsettle a competitor like Manchester City did to us, Arsenal & Everton when their govt took them over….if Caicedo is 100m+ then Douglas & Kamara come into the same grouping.

Poch was saying yesterday he wants a new keeper so I wouldn't count my chickens just yet. 

Yes, but in the way that we probably want a new keeper. Not to replace the first choice guy, but because Betinelli is more of a third, not second choice.

Martinez is going nowhere this summer 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on August 26, 2023, 12:36:49 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on August 26, 2023, 12:30:10 PM
Quote from: AV84 on August 26, 2023, 12:26:00 PM
Quote from: Gareth on August 26, 2023, 09:52:19 AM
The biggest surprise in this window is that other clubs that are or see themselves as big clubs haven’t come for our better players to unsettle a competitor like Manchester City did to us, Arsenal & Everton when their govt took them over….if Caicedo is 100m+ then Douglas & Kamara come into the same grouping.

Poch was saying yesterday he wants a new keeper so I wouldn't count my chickens just yet. 

Yes, but in the way that we probably want a new keeper. Not to replace the first choice guy, but because Betinelli is more of a third, not second choice.

Olsen is going nowhere this summer 
FTFY. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on August 26, 2023, 12:37:58 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: olaftab on August 26, 2023, 12:36:49 PM
Quote from: Dave on August 26, 2023, 12:30:10 PM
Quote from: AV84 on August 26, 2023, 12:26:00 PM
Quote from: Gareth on August 26, 2023, 09:52:19 AM
The biggest surprise in this window is that other clubs that are or see themselves as big clubs haven’t come for our better players to unsettle a competitor like Manchester City did to us, Arsenal & Everton when their govt took them over….if Caicedo is 100m+ then Douglas & Kamara come into the same grouping.

Poch was saying yesterday he wants a new keeper so I wouldn't count my chickens just yet. 

Yes, but in the way that we probably want a new keeper. Not to replace the first choice guy, but because Betinelli is more of a third, not second choice.

Olsen is going nowhere this summer 
FTFY.

Hah, true.

£60m and an eight year contract for Olsen to sort out Chelsea's keeper worries sounds like a win for all parties. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SoccerHQ on August 26, 2023, 01:16:45 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Villafirst on August 26, 2023, 09:22:50 AM
With the injuries already, plus outgoings the squad looks way too thin for potentially 50 plus matches. A couple more injuries, and fatigue and the season could be ruined. I really thought the squad would have a much stronger look by this stage of the transfer window. Perhaps they'll sign a couple more before deadline day next Thursday?

We're fine in CM. Tielemans as sub, hopefully Donk will be an option soon and Ramsey will be back in September.

Surely we'll sign a defender if plan is to play Konsa as RB for some matches as then just Carlos and Pau as CB options is too thin for three games a week.

Upfront is interesting.

It dosen't look endless options but clearly UE believes in Duran and he's off the mark now in premier league so you'd like to think he'd score a few in europa league to continue to get his confidence up. I also think we'll see Diaby as a CF at some point in the season.

Would have Zaniolo and Bailey for wide forward positions and Ramsey will also be an option for LM given how well he ended the season there when he's fit again.

It's not endless depth but it's probably just enough to get through to middle of January although the constant selling of our decent young players does make the squad thinner. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SamTheMouse on August 26, 2023, 01:30:35 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ChicagoLion on August 26, 2023, 11:04:50 AM
Quote from: SamTheMouse on August 26, 2023, 11:01:59 AM
Whoever we sign needs to stay fit. Paying players to lie on the treatment table is a recipe for losing games and money quickly.
I would love to know how the club can guarantee that.

Well they can't guarantee it obviously, but let's put it this way. If you'd signed Darren Anderton back in the day, it wouldn't have come as a shock if he spent half the time injured.

It's why I'd have reservations about someone like Chiesa. 

And Zaniolo, for that matter.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on August 26, 2023, 01:36:09 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: SamTheMouse on August 26, 2023, 01:30:35 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on August 26, 2023, 11:04:50 AM
Quote from: SamTheMouse on August 26, 2023, 11:01:59 AM
Whoever we sign needs to stay fit. Paying players to lie on the treatment table is a recipe for losing games and money quickly.
I would love to know how the club can guarantee that.

Well they can't guarantee it obviously, but let's put it this way. If you'd signed Darren Anderton back in the day, it wouldn't have come as a shock if he spent half the time injured.

It's why I'd have reservations about someone like Chiesa. 

And Zaniolo, for that matter.

It's not as if were signing a load of Darren Anderton's.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SamTheMouse on August 26, 2023, 01:39:25 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clampy on August 26, 2023, 01:36:09 PM
Quote from: SamTheMouse on August 26, 2023, 01:30:35 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on August 26, 2023, 11:04:50 AM
Quote from: SamTheMouse on August 26, 2023, 11:01:59 AM
Whoever we sign needs to stay fit. Paying players to lie on the treatment table is a recipe for losing games and money quickly.
I would love to know how the club can guarantee that.

Well they can't guarantee it obviously, but let's put it this way. If you'd signed Darren Anderton back in the day, it wouldn't have come as a shock if he spent half the time injured.

It's why I'd have reservations about someone like Chiesa. 

And Zaniolo, for that matter.

It's not as if were signing a load of Darren Anderton's.

Because that's exactly what I said, is it?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: charlatan on August 26, 2023, 01:42:39 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on August 26, 2023, 07:42:56 AM
Quote from: eamonn on August 26, 2023, 03:24:17 AM
Are we playing 50, 60 or 70 games this season?! They've all been suggested in the last page. I don't think its possible for us to reach 70, is it? 

League - 38 games
Europe - 15 games if you get to the final
League Cup - 6 games if you reach the final
FA Cup - 6 games if you reach the final

Total games possible, 65 games.
The minimum now is 48. So somewhere between those two numbers. 50+ is certainly very likely.

17 European games if Villa finish second in their group and subsequently reach the final
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on August 26, 2023, 01:44:06 PM
			

			

				Then why mention him? We've been unlucky with Mings and Buendia. Coutinhio was a risk. The new guy may turn out to be. Every player you sign might get injured. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SamTheMouse on August 26, 2023, 01:50:55 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clampy on August 26, 2023, 01:44:06 PM
Then why mention him? We've been unlucky with Mings and Buendia. Coutinhio was a risk. The new guy may turn out to be. Every player you sign might get injured.

It was simply an example to support my observation that if a player has a history of niggling injuries, it's not unreasonable to assume he will continue to have them. I was merely expressing the hope that we avoid signing those sorts of players.

An entirely innocuous point, I thought, but whatever.


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on August 26, 2023, 02:05:10 PM
			

			

				But you did say 'whoever we sign needs to stay fit' which is no guarantee at all and then you throw in Darren Andertons name. Anyway, like said whatever. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: TelfordVilla on August 26, 2023, 02:14:18 PM
			

			

				We have a history of signing injured players. Paul Mcgrath and martin laurson worked out well. We also have a history of signing fit players Luc Nillis, I've Stass and Freddie Bouma that didn't go so well. You never know when an injury will happen.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on August 26, 2023, 04:30:00 PM
			

			

				Well Johnson is now injured for Forest, hamstring apparently... 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on August 26, 2023, 04:44:36 PM
			

			

				Zaniolos agent still seems to be around Villa a lot from his Instagram. He's only got one other big client, who I'd love at Villa. Played and scored for Leeds today too. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on August 26, 2023, 05:22:11 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: charlatan on August 26, 2023, 01:42:39 PM
Quote from: Risso on August 26, 2023, 07:42:56 AM
Quote from: eamonn on August 26, 2023, 03:24:17 AM
Are we playing 50, 60 or 70 games this season?! They've all been suggested in the last page. I don't think its possible for us to reach 70, is it? 

League - 38 games
Europe - 15 games if you get to the final
League Cup - 6 games if you reach the final
FA Cup - 6 games if you reach the final

Total games possible, 65 games.
The minimum now is 48. So somewhere between those two numbers. 50+ is certainly very likely.

17 European games if Villa finish second in their group and subsequently reach the final

How so?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV82EC on August 26, 2023, 06:04:34 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on August 26, 2023, 05:22:11 PM
Quote from: charlatan on August 26, 2023, 01:42:39 PM
Quote from: Risso on August 26, 2023, 07:42:56 AM
Quote from: eamonn on August 26, 2023, 03:24:17 AM
Are we playing 50, 60 or 70 games this season?! They've all been suggested in the last page. I don't think its possible for us to reach 70, is it? 

League - 38 games
Europe - 15 games if you get to the final
League Cup - 6 games if you reach the final
FA Cup - 6 games if you reach the final

Total games possible, 65 games.
The minimum now is 48. So somewhere between those two numbers. 50+ is certainly very likely.

17 European games if Villa finish second in their group and subsequently reach the final

How so?

Group winners go directly to Round of 16 and Runners up to a play off round with teams finishing third in their Europa League Group. Vital we win the group.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on August 26, 2023, 06:40:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ozzjim on August 26, 2023, 04:44:36 PM
Zaniolos agent still seems to be around Villa a lot from his Instagram. He's only got one other big client, who I'd love at Villa. Played and scored for Leeds today too. 

Gnonto I assume? I'd take him too. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 26, 2023, 07:36:44 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on August 26, 2023, 04:30:00 PM
Well Johnson is now injured for Forest, hamstring apparently... 

Expect to see him on Pravda stretching the shirt by Monday, then.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SoccerHQ on August 26, 2023, 07:40:55 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: charlatan on August 26, 2023, 01:42:39 PM
Quote from: Risso on August 26, 2023, 07:42:56 AM
Quote from: eamonn on August 26, 2023, 03:24:17 AM
Are we playing 50, 60 or 70 games this season?! They've all been suggested in the last page. I don't think its possible for us to reach 70, is it? 

League - 38 games
Europe - 15 games if you get to the final
League Cup - 6 games if you reach the final
FA Cup - 6 games if you reach the final

Total games possible, 65 games.
The minimum now is 48. So somewhere between those two numbers. 50+ is certainly very likely.

17 European games if Villa finish second in their group and subsequently reach the final

With europe you'd like to think we'll get 9-10 points by the fourth group game so then the last two games become dead rubbers like Thursday will be so you can mix and match a team and save a key player or two for the following Sunday game.

We've also skipped a league cup round with being in europe.

I think fixture congestion will only become a real issue once FA cup starts as we obviously want to win a round or two given how hopeless our record has been in that competition since 2015.

Hopefully the finances can add up and we can make a decent signing or two in the January transfer window as we've seen before that can often be the difference for teams challenging for top 4 and/or winning a trophy.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: London Villan on August 27, 2023, 07:50:35 AM
			

			

				Talk about cucarella available for a loan. While i wouldnt pay £65m for him i wonder if he would an option 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on August 27, 2023, 07:56:30 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: London Villan on August 27, 2023, 07:50:35 AM
Talk about cucarella available for a loan. While i wouldnt pay £65m for him i wonder if he would an option 

I always thought he was decent, as a lift back though, not as a left sided central defender. If this is true, we really do want Lucas Digne out, don’t we?  Can’t see it happening though. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on August 27, 2023, 07:57:47 AM
			

			

				Looks like Keinan Davis is off to Swansea instead of Hull. Medical booked. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: London Villan on August 27, 2023, 08:09:48 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on August 27, 2023, 07:56:30 AM
Quote from: London Villan on August 27, 2023, 07:50:35 AM
Talk about cucarella available for a loan. While i wouldnt pay £65m for him i wonder if he would an option 

I always thought he was decent, as a lift back though, not as a left sided central defender. If this is true, we really do want Lucas Digne out, don’t we?  Can’t see it happening though. 

Sorry, meant in general rather than specifically for us.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 27, 2023, 10:11:55 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on August 27, 2023, 07:57:47 AM
Looks like Keinan Davis is off to Swansea instead of Hull. Medical booked. 

Back by tea time then. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: jwarry on August 27, 2023, 11:00:20 AM
			

			

				One to cross off the list

Romano

Lazio have reached an agreement with Olympique Marseille on €18m package for Mattéo Guendouzi ⚪️🔵🇫🇷
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Goldenballs on August 27, 2023, 11:05:09 AM
			

			

				That's cheap, I really rate him. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on August 27, 2023, 11:05:38 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: jwarry on August 27, 2023, 11:00:20 AM
One to cross off the list

Romano

Lazio have reached an agreement with Olympique Marseille on €18m package for Mattéo Guendouzi ⚪️🔵🇫🇷

He'll do really well in Italy. To the extent that I might even say this tips Lazio into the title picture.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 27, 2023, 11:14:59 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on August 25, 2023, 11:45:10 PM

GK: Martinez, Olsen*, Marschall^
Still concerned about Olsen, would like a good young up and coming keeper who wouldn’t mind being arguably the worlds best GK’s understudy for a couple of years or a mid thirties experienced pro who will be happy with a dozen or so games at a club on the up. Just a safer pair of hands either way.

RB: Cash, Chambers*
I’d still like a specialist right back in, we’re down a player with Mings injury and I’d leave Chambers to be the 4th choice CB

LB: Moreno, Digne
Fine unless Digne goes on which case we need a replacement 

CB: Pau, Carlos, Konsa, Mings!
Chambers the 4th CB with Mings out so fine as is. I think Carlos can play left or right?

DM: Kamara, Donk
Fine 

CM: Luiz, Tielemans, McGinn
More than fine 

AM: Ramsey, Coutinho, Buendia!
If Coutinho goes we need a replacement, it’s sounding likely if you believe the media 

W: Bailey, Bertie*
Ideally Bertie could go and a new player to come in. Mainly due to his injury record as he’s ok when fit.

10: Diaby, Zaniolo
Fine

St: Watkins, Duran^
Again I think we need someone, if Watkins gets injured we’re knackered as I see Duran as an impact sub at the moment. Again an experienced pro who can play in Watkins style would be ideal.


Comments added. My thoughts going into the last week of the window. We look to be clearing the decks a bit offloading young players that we don’t think will be up to it, or certainty not yet.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on August 27, 2023, 11:28:35 AM
			

			

				Given we are raising money from Ramsey, Bidace, Davis, Archer, around 39mill, I expect us to push the boat out for someone by offering their club a deal they can't refuse, forcing the player out even if he doesn't want to join little old Villa.  I am wondering whether this might be Ferran Torres.  Obviously, we may have more dosh if Coutinho is indeed going and this isn't twitter nonsense.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on August 27, 2023, 11:38:18 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on August 27, 2023, 11:14:59 AM
Quote from: paul_e on August 25, 2023, 11:45:10 PM

GK: Martinez, Olsen*, Marschall^
Still concerned about Olsen, would like a good young up and coming keeper who wouldn’t mind being arguably the worlds best GK’s understudy for a couple of years or a mid thirties experienced pro who will be happy with a dozen or so games at a club on the up. Just a safer pair of hands either way.

RB: Cash, Chambers*
I’d still like a specialist right back in, we’re down a player with Mings injury and I’d leave Chambers to be the 4th choice CB

LB: Moreno, Digne
Fine unless Digne goes on which case we need a replacement 

CB: Pau, Carlos, Konsa, Mings!
Chambers the 4th CB with Mings out so fine as is. I think Carlos can play left or right?

DM: Kamara, Donk
Fine 

CM: Luiz, Tielemans, McGinn
More than fine 

AM: Ramsey, Coutinho, Buendia!
If Coutinho goes we need a replacement, it’s sounding likely if you believe the media 

W: Bailey, Bertie*
Ideally Bertie could go and a new player to come in. Mainly due to his injury record as he’s ok when fit.

10: Diaby, Zaniolo
Fine

St: Watkins, Duran^
Again I think we need someone, if Watkins gets injured we’re knackered as I see Duran as an impact sub at the moment. Again an experienced pro who can play in Watkins style would be ideal.


Comments added. My thoughts going into the last week of the window. We look to be clearing the decks a bit offloading young players that we don’t think will be up to it, or certainty not yet.

I don't disagree with any of that really, but I'd also be ok if the only signing from now is someone who covers 2-3 positions in the attack. I think that's the only big hole in the squad.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SoccerHQ on August 27, 2023, 11:58:38 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: jwarry on August 27, 2023, 11:00:20 AM
One to cross off the list

Romano

Lazio have reached an agreement with Olympique Marseille on €18m package for Mattéo Guendouzi ⚪️🔵🇫🇷

We'd have had to pay 30m + for him.

That's premier league tax in operation.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 27, 2023, 12:02:10 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on August 27, 2023, 11:28:35 AM
Given we are raising money from Ramsey, Bidace, Davis, Archer, around 39mill, I expect us to push the boat out for someone by offering their club a deal they can't refuse, forcing the player out even if he doesn't want to join little old Villa.  I am wondering whether this might be Ferran Torres.  Obviously, we may have more dosh if Coutinho is indeed going and this isn't twitter nonsense. 

I think you’re right. Feels like we are gearing up for one final swoop. Ferran Torres does cover all the positions from winger, to 10 to striker. One player filling lots of gaps but I’m unsure whether he is actually any good. Felix is good enough but might not like being mr versatile.

I take either on loan and use the season to convince them that we are worthy,
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: trinityoap on August 27, 2023, 12:23:34 PM
			

			

				If they don't think we are worthy before they join they can bugger off.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: trinityoap on August 27, 2023, 12:24:40 PM
			

			

				That's a dig at them Dante,not you.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 27, 2023, 12:37:06 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on August 27, 2023, 11:38:18 AM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on August 27, 2023, 11:14:59 AM
Quote from: paul_e on August 25, 2023, 11:45:10 PM

GK: Martinez, Olsen*, Marschall^
Still concerned about Olsen, would like a good young up and coming keeper who wouldn’t mind being arguably the worlds best GK’s understudy for a couple of years or a mid thirties experienced pro who will be happy with a dozen or so games at a club on the up. Just a safer pair of hands either way.

RB: Cash, Chambers*
I’d still like a specialist right back in, we’re down a player with Mings injury and I’d leave Chambers to be the 4th choice CB

LB: Moreno, Digne
Fine unless Digne goes on which case we need a replacement 

CB: Pau, Carlos, Konsa, Mings!
Chambers the 4th CB with Mings out so fine as is. I think Carlos can play left or right?

DM: Kamara, Donk
Fine 

CM: Luiz, Tielemans, McGinn
More than fine 

AM: Ramsey, Coutinho, Buendia!
If Coutinho goes we need a replacement, it’s sounding likely if you believe the media 

W: Bailey, Bertie*
Ideally Bertie could go and a new player to come in. Mainly due to his injury record as he’s ok when fit.

10: Diaby, Zaniolo
Fine

St: Watkins, Duran^
Again I think we need someone, if Watkins gets injured we’re knackered as I see Duran as an impact sub at the moment. Again an experienced pro who can play in Watkins style would be ideal.


Comments added. My thoughts going into the last week of the window. We look to be clearing the decks a bit offloading young players that we don’t think will be up to it, or certainty not yet.

I don't disagree with any of that really, but I'd also be ok if the only signing from now is someone who covers 2-3 positions in the attack. I think that's the only big hole in the squad.

Yeah they’ve interchangeable really, I think if we sold Coutinho we should get a replacement but could then also offload Traore without getting another. As long as it’s a good player that can cover both.
I doubt Digne will go now so that shouldn’t be an issue.
The others concern me though, RB the least.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: curiousorange on August 27, 2023, 12:46:41 PM
			

			

				Spuds going after Brennan Johnson. I'd be surprised if we're not linked again.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 27, 2023, 12:54:51 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: curiousorange on August 27, 2023, 12:46:41 PM
Spuds going after Brennan Johnson. I'd be surprised if we're not linked again.

Good player but the sort you’d hope to sign because they need to sell rather than winning a bidding war with spurs.

I wonder if forest are leaking these stories to flush out bidders.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Mister E on August 27, 2023, 01:07:12 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 27, 2023, 12:02:10 PM
Quote from: Steve67 on August 27, 2023, 11:28:35 AM
Given we are raising money from Ramsey, Bidace, Davis, Archer, around 39mill, I expect us to push the boat out for someone by offering their club a deal they can't refuse, forcing the player out even if he doesn't want to join little old Villa.  I am wondering whether this might be Ferran Torres.  Obviously, we may have more dosh if Coutinho is indeed going and this isn't twitter nonsense. 
I think you’re right. Feels like we are gearing up for one final swoop. Ferran Torres does cover all the positions from winger, to 10 to striker. One player filling lots of gaps but I’m unsure whether he is actually any good. Felix is good enough but might not like being mr versatile.
I take either on loan and use the season to convince them that we are worthy,
I wouldn't take either.
Not sure what the alternatives are, mind. 
In my view, EU may well stick with what he has for the time being - across the front, he has Watkins, Z, Diaby, Traore, Bailey all of whom have some versatility. With McGinn and Ramsey as wide / attacking midfielders and Kamara, Luiz, Tielemans, Donk and Tim as box-to-box / defensive midfielders, he still has Kellyman, Wilson and O'Reilly as youth wild cards. 
So, right FB (and possibly cover for McGinn) would be the obvious place to strengthen.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Mister E on August 27, 2023, 01:08:10 PM
			

			

				I see Henderson is going to CP from RedManc. I always rated him, but he wouldn't come here whilst Emi1 is still around, I suppose.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on August 27, 2023, 01:10:33 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Monty on August 27, 2023, 11:05:38 AM
Quote from: jwarry on August 27, 2023, 11:00:20 AM
One to cross off the list

Romano

Lazio have reached an agreement with Olympique Marseille on €18m package for Mattéo Guendouzi ⚪️🔵🇫🇷

He'll do really well in Italy. To the extent that I might even say this tips Lazio into the title picture.

Percy will be devo'd, he loved the guy. And presumably hates Lazio too. Double devo'd. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 27, 2023, 01:32:10 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on August 27, 2023, 01:10:33 PM
Quote from: Monty on August 27, 2023, 11:05:38 AM
Quote from: jwarry on August 27, 2023, 11:00:20 AM
One to cross off the list

Romano

Lazio have reached an agreement with Olympique Marseille on €18m package for Mattéo Guendouzi ⚪️🔵🇫🇷

He'll do really well in Italy. To the extent that I might even say this tips Lazio into the title picture.

Percy will be devo'd, he loved the guy. And presumably hates Lazio too. Double devo'd.

Not exactly devo’d as SJM has stepped up but he would have been great cover for him and either of the central two, whereas YT is only cover for the centre. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on August 27, 2023, 01:42:01 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Monty on August 27, 2023, 11:05:38 AM
Quote from: jwarry on August 27, 2023, 11:00:20 AM
One to cross off the list

Romano

Lazio have reached an agreement with Olympique Marseille on €18m package for Mattéo Guendouzi ⚪️🔵🇫🇷

He'll do really well in Italy. To the extent that I might even say this tips Lazio into the title picture.

Counterpoint- he's no Milinkovic-Savic, and they were a long way from challenging for the title with SMS.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on August 27, 2023, 01:53:50 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on August 27, 2023, 01:42:01 PM
Quote from: Monty on August 27, 2023, 11:05:38 AM
Quote from: jwarry on August 27, 2023, 11:00:20 AM
One to cross off the list

Romano

Lazio have reached an agreement with Olympique Marseille on €18m package for Mattéo Guendouzi ⚪️🔵🇫🇷

He'll do really well in Italy. To the extent that I might even say this tips Lazio into the title picture.

Counterpoint- he's no Milinkovic-Savic, and they were a long way from challenging for the title with SMS.

They finished second! But no sure, it was a distant second. Thing is, SMS, never the quickest, was IMO showing signs of slowing last year, and never seemed the most natural fit for Sarri. Guendozi's best might not be SMS's best, but he might well be a better fit, and more consistently what they need.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on August 27, 2023, 02:56:16 PM
			

			

				I think that the recent spate of outgoings will see us a few coming in this week.  I think not having the full.compliment of subs today might be a nod to that.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villafirst on August 27, 2023, 04:30:02 PM
			

			

				Definitely need another striker for cover now Archer has gone. Yes, the bench emphasises that. Hope we sign at least two players by deadline day. A good start could be derailed by more injuries.....
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SoccerHQ on August 27, 2023, 05:34:08 PM
			

			

				Despite the injury crisis we still had Bailey as unused sub and Tielemans came on with 5 minutes left.

Chelsea bench the other night was pretty much full of kids and I wouldn't say Calum Wilson and Jota aside the respective Newcastle and Liverpool benches are stacked full of players who'd walk into our team so I'd say our depth in some areas is pretty good and hopefully Ramsey and Moreno will be ready to return in the next 4-6 weeks.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on August 27, 2023, 05:38:19 PM
			

			

				Today's match day squad was missing 8 players. 

Martinez, Mings, Moreno, Dendoncker, Iroegbunam, Buendia, Coutinho and Ramsey.

That's 7 players who would have been in the squad plus a very promising young player.

2 out for the season(Mings, Buendia) 3 due back soon (Martinez, Moreno, Ramsey) , 2 to be sold (Coutinho, Dendoncker) and one young player would who would have been in if fit.

That's quite some strength, though with 4 likely to not be available it shows the need for signings. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Small Rodent on August 27, 2023, 05:51:08 PM
			

			

				I don’t think we’ll sign anyone else to be honest.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on August 27, 2023, 06:00:19 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Small Rodent on August 27, 2023, 05:51:08 PM
I don’t think we’ll sign anyone else to be honest.

I'm not hearing any urgency when Unai is asked the question about signing anyone else, other than, 'we have to be ready'.  I'm sure we are always ready as Unai leaves nothing to chance but I agree that we are done for the window.  A window of high quality signings by the way. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Small Rodent on August 27, 2023, 06:20:39 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on August 27, 2023, 06:00:19 PM
Quote from: Small Rodent on August 27, 2023, 05:51:08 PM
I don’t think we’ll sign anyone else to be honest.

I'm not hearing any urgency when Unai is asked the question about signing anyone else, other than, 'we have to be ready'.  I'm sure we are always ready as Unai leaves nothing to chance but I agree that we are done for the window.  A window of high quality signings by the way.

Extremely high quality signings masked by the Mings and Buendia situations.

All 4 signings are very exciting and feel like “first teamers”.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Goldenballs on August 27, 2023, 06:24:52 PM
			

			

				We ended up playing our number 9 at right back today, we need a few more signings. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on August 27, 2023, 07:06:23 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Goldenballs on August 27, 2023, 06:24:52 PM
We ended up playing our number 9 at right back today, we need a few more signings. 

Traore played right back when he came on? I dont  remember that. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: London Villan on August 27, 2023, 07:07:11 PM
			

			

				I thought we ended as 442 with cash at lb and konsa at rb.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on August 27, 2023, 07:39:57 PM
			

			

				We were 442 all game.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: London Villan on August 27, 2023, 07:44:17 PM
			

			

				We started 3421
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smithy on August 27, 2023, 07:45:11 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on August 27, 2023, 07:39:57 PM
We were 442 all game.

I must have been watching a different game, as in the one I watched we definitely had three centre halves and two wingbacks.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on August 27, 2023, 07:47:32 PM
			

			

				It looked like 5-3-2 to me as well. Whatever it was though, it worked. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smithy on August 27, 2023, 07:52:13 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clampy on August 27, 2023, 07:47:32 PM
It looked like 5-3-2 to me as well. Whatever it was though, it worked.

Honestly though, we’re so flexible these days the formation is almost irrelevant, it changes in and out of possession, and in-game too. I’m sure there were plenty of times when Cash bombed on, and Digne stayed back to make a flat-ish four with Konsa drifting across to look more like a traditional RB. Equally there were times early in the second half when we had an obvious flat back five.

The longer we keep everyone guessing, the better!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ads on August 27, 2023, 07:52:15 PM
			

			

				Cash was in midfield, it was 442.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on August 27, 2023, 08:00:27 PM
			

			

				Check out the heatmap for Konsa on any site you can find and then tell me he wasn't playing right back.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ads on August 27, 2023, 08:02:56 PM
			

			

				He was 100% at right back and was very good on the ball too.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SamTheMouse on August 27, 2023, 08:03:08 PM
			

			

				We definitely ended it with 5 at the back, because Traoré was frequently in the right back/wing-back position (and was highly unconvincing there, which unbalanced the whole defence).

The (very good) French lady co-commentator on Canal+ remarked on it several times. I thought she had a point.

But for most of the game we were indeed 4-4-2 (or 4-4-1-1) when not in possession. When we got it we were very fluid though. 

Emery's a genius.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: London Villan on August 27, 2023, 08:04:24 PM
			

			

				I thought we ended 442. Lol
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ads on August 27, 2023, 08:06:16 PM
			

			

				It was 442, flexible as anything, throughout. 

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on August 27, 2023, 08:13:41 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: SamTheMouse on August 27, 2023, 08:03:08 PM
We definitely ended it with 5 at the back, because Traoré was frequently in the right back/wing-back position (and was highly unconvincing there, which unbalanced the whole defence).

The (very good) French lady co-commentator on Canal+ remarked on it several times. I thought she had a point.

But for most of the game we were indeed 4-4-2 (or 4-4-1-1) when not in possession. When we got it we were very fluid though. 

Emery's a genius.

Bert was deep because in the last 10 we didn't have much of the ball so he was doing his job and helping his fullback, it doesn't mean he was sent on to play as a fullback and I'm glad he did that rather than hanging around 10-15yards further forward and providing nothing.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on August 27, 2023, 08:15:11 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: London Villan on August 27, 2023, 07:07:11 PM
I thought we ended as 442 with cash at lb and konsa at rb.

Really don't want to see Cash at LB again if we can help it. He looked lost over there. Surprised he just didn't move Torres over. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bad English on August 27, 2023, 08:18:36 PM
			

			

				442, 4231, 999, whatever. It was 1-3 FTF! 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Matt C on August 27, 2023, 08:19:47 PM
			

			

				Emery doesn’t get bogged down with archaic concepts like formations.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: London Villan on August 27, 2023, 08:21:58 PM
			

			

				https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/1729259/Live/England-2023-2024-Premier-League-Burnley-Aston-Villa

Im not the only one who saw it as 3421 😀
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SamTheMouse on August 27, 2023, 08:24:56 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on August 27, 2023, 08:13:41 PM
Quote from: SamTheMouse on August 27, 2023, 08:03:08 PM
We definitely ended it with 5 at the back, because Traoré was frequently in the right back/wing-back position (and was highly unconvincing there, which unbalanced the whole defence).

The (very good) French lady co-commentator on Canal+ remarked on it several times. I thought she had a point.

But for most of the game we were indeed 4-4-2 (or 4-4-1-1) when not in possession. When we got it we were very fluid though. 

Emery's a genius.

Bert was deep because in the last 10 we didn't have much of the ball so he was doing his job and helping his fullback, it doesn't mean he was sent on to play as a fullback and I'm glad he did that rather than hanging around 10-15yards further forward and providing nothing.

If you watch it back, in the last 10 minutes or so Konsa was tucked much more narrow, closer to Carlos, and Bert was frequently level with him. The shape out of possession looked like your traditional wing-back setup. I don't know whether that was by design or just because the players were naturally falling back at that stage, which fits with your interpretation.

Anyway, we were bloody brilliant (although we lost Emery-control in those last 10 minutes and I doubt he was happy about it!).
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Richard E on August 27, 2023, 08:27:19 PM
			

			

				Has anyone seen the transfer thread anywhere?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bad English on August 27, 2023, 08:35:06 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: SamTheMouse on August 27, 2023, 08:03:08 PM
The (very good) French lady co-commentator on Canal+ remarked on it several times
Canal+ 360? 

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SoccerHQ on August 27, 2023, 08:42:28 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on August 27, 2023, 05:38:19 PM
Today's match day squad was missing 8 players. 

Martinez, Mings, Moreno, Dendoncker, Iroegbunam, Buendia, Coutinho and Ramsey.

That's 7 players who would have been in the squad plus a very promising young player.

2 out for the season(Mings, Buendia) 3 due back soon (Martinez, Moreno, Ramsey) , 2 to be sold (Coutinho, Dendoncker) and one young player would who would have been in if fit.

That's quite some strength, though with 4 likely to not be available it shows the need for signings. 

Wouldn't be selling Donk if I'm honest.

I know Chambers is currently filling his role but he will probably be needed in the backline for parts of this season.

He might not be technical enough for Emery's liking and people mock his running style but ultimately he started some of our best performances last season (Brentford, Man. United and Newcastle at home).

He has good european experienced and can fill in backline aswell.

Also not sure who's going to be offering him close to what we play so don't really see the point of just sending him out on a season long loan.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SoccerHQ on August 27, 2023, 08:44:42 PM
			

			

				Didn't Bert play wing back at times for either Ajax or Lyon?

He's another useful to keep around until January as no doubt with his maverick genius he'll come up with a Leicester style wonder goal to win us a game at some point in next four months.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on August 27, 2023, 09:52:29 PM
			

			

				It was 442 out of possession and 343 with possession. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SamTheMouse on August 27, 2023, 10:01:26 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bad English on August 27, 2023, 08:35:06 PM
Quote from: SamTheMouse on August 27, 2023, 08:03:08 PM
The (very good) French lady co-commentator on Canal+ remarked on it several times
Canal+ 360?

I think so. Either that or Canal+ Foot. Can't remember which I was watching.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on August 27, 2023, 10:10:29 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on August 27, 2023, 09:52:29 PM
It was 442 out of possession and 343 with possession.

It was the formation we have seem with four at the back, a wide right midfielder (Cash this time), a tightish midfield three and then a number ten behind a striker.  

Could maybe see it a being a trial run fir the game next weekend, with Cash trying to negate Andy Robertson.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on August 28, 2023, 04:34:41 AM
			

			

				If you discount the Mings and Buendia situation due a second, most clubs have 5-6 players of their 25 out injured at any one time, I would still argue that squad isn't quite as strong as its being made out. Much of the defensive flexibility is dependent on 3 very high level central defenders being able to function across an ever changing formation. One gets injured, we would be struggling. Konsa or Cash especially lands us in sticky plaster time. We are still a forward player light too. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Mister E on August 28, 2023, 09:04:04 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ozzjim on August 28, 2023, 04:34:41 AM
If you discount the Mings and Buendia situation due a second, most clubs have 5-6 players of their 25 out injured at any one time, I would still argue that squad isn't quite as strong as its being made out. Much of the defensive flexibility is dependent on 3 very high level central defenders being able to function across an ever changing formation. One gets injured, we would be struggling. Konsa or Cash especially lands us in sticky plaster time. We are still a forward player light too. 
In my view, EU may well stick with what he has for the time being - across the front, he has Watkins, Zianolo, Diaby, Traore, Dhuran and Bailey, all of whom have some versatility - and there is a lack of obvious incomers (that may change if a deal was struck with Abraham earlier, who is now injured. He might be a January incomer)
With McGinn and Ramsey as wide / attacking midfielders and Kamara, Luiz, Tielemans, Donk and Tim as box-to-box / defensive midfielders, this seems sufficient. 
He still has Kellyman, Wilson and O'Reilly as youth wild cards.
Torres and Carlos can cover left CB, and Konsa and Chambers cover the right CB role. Digne, Moreno and Revan cover left back.
So, right FB (and possibly cover for McGinn) would be the obvious place to strengthen right now.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villafirst on August 28, 2023, 09:19:53 AM
			

			

				Still need another defender and forward - we have potentially 50 plus games to play. Too many outgoings at the moment.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on August 28, 2023, 09:39:21 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ads on August 27, 2023, 07:52:15 PM
Cash was in midfield, it was 442.
That’s how I saw it for the first 70 odd minutes at least 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 28, 2023, 09:52:08 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Beard82 on August 28, 2023, 09:39:21 AM
Quote from: Ads on August 27, 2023, 07:52:15 PM
Cash was in midfield, it was 442.
That’s how I saw it for the first 70 odd minutes at least

His post match interview basically confirms where he was playing. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 28, 2023, 10:10:26 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 28, 2023, 09:52:08 AM
Quote from: Beard82 on August 28, 2023, 09:39:21 AM
Quote from: Ads on August 27, 2023, 07:52:15 PM
Cash was in midfield, it was 442.
That’s how I saw it for the first 70 odd minutes at least

His post match interview basically confirms where he was playing.

We love Emery. The owners must too. Training these players so they can play multiple positions means he’s getting value out of every penny spent.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john2710 on August 28, 2023, 10:42:17 AM
			

			

				We need another centre half, maybe on loan. Perhaps someone who could also cover right back. I don't think Emery sees Chambers at centre back.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dave.woodhall on August 28, 2023, 11:24:02 AM
			

			

				He could sell the entire squad then pick a team of programme sellers, turnstile operatives and messageboard malcontents and he'd be right. He's Unsi Emery and none of us are. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: danno on August 28, 2023, 11:29:28 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: john2710 on August 28, 2023, 10:42:17 AM
We need another centre half, maybe on loan. Perhaps someone who could also cover right back. I don't think Emery sees Chambers at centre back.

Genuine question, if he doesn’t see him as a centre back, what does he see him as? You think he sees him as a right back? Or a defensive midfielder?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on August 28, 2023, 11:43:11 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smithy on August 27, 2023, 07:45:11 PM
Quote from: paul_e on August 27, 2023, 07:39:57 PM
We were 442 all game.

I must have been watching a different game, as in the one I watched we definitely had three centre halves and two wingbacks.
You are being influenced by the personnel on the pitch rather than actual formation. Konsa  did the RB stuff and Cash attacked Burnley on their left from a midfield position. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on August 28, 2023, 11:51:37 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: olaftab on August 28, 2023, 11:43:11 AM
Quote from: Smithy on August 27, 2023, 07:45:11 PM
Quote from: paul_e on August 27, 2023, 07:39:57 PM
We were 442 all game.

I must have been watching a different game, as in the one I watched we definitely had three centre halves and two wingbacks.
You are being influenced by the personnel on the pitch rather than actual formation. Konsa  did the RB stuff and Cash attacked Burnley on their left from a midfield position.
This is happening a lot, UE usually structures the team around a 4 4 2.
But flexes the positioning subject to the game plan and the situation.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on August 28, 2023, 11:53:14 AM
			

			

				Well, a box midfield. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: not3bad on August 28, 2023, 11:54:11 AM
			

			

				This might be a squeaky bum time as the window ends. Emery says we must be ready for action if the right deal(s) to improve the squad come up and of course this is true. At the same time I hear Liverpool are going to make a tilt at taking Luiz off our hands. If they got him in the week before they played us they'd really fuck us over.

Got to trust NSWE to hold firm.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on August 28, 2023, 12:13:31 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on August 28, 2023, 11:53:14 AM
Well, a box midfield.

That's part of the flexing though, and only happens completely when McGinn if picked on the right.

To put it as simply as possible we defend as a 442 and transition to a 325 in attack. 1 of the reasons we usually build slowly is get everyone into that shape and see how the opposition cover it. Then we move the pieces until a gap appears  it's how most of the top sides are playing over the last 2-3 seasons, the differences are in how you get there.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on August 28, 2023, 12:17:04 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: not3bad on August 28, 2023, 11:54:11 AM
This might be a squeaky bum time as the window ends. Emery says we must be ready for action if the right deal(s) to improve the squad come up and of course this is true. At the same time I hear Liverpool are going to make a tilt at taking Luiz off our hands. If they got him in the week before they played us they'd really fuck us over.

Got to trust NSWE to hold firm.

Most likely just idle gossip to make the final few days of the transfer window more interesting, it happens every year. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 28, 2023, 12:19:55 PM
			

			

				If Liverpool think they're going to lose Salah after our window closes you never know who they'd be in for this week. But if they were willing to pay ridiculous for Caicedo then they can offer the same for any of ours. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john2710 on August 28, 2023, 12:25:56 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: danno on August 28, 2023, 11:29:28 AM
Quote from: john2710 on August 28, 2023, 10:42:17 AM
We need another centre half, maybe on loan. Perhaps someone who could also cover right back. I don't think Emery sees Chambers at centre back.

Genuine question, if he doesn’t see him as a centre back, what does he see him as? You think he sees him as a right back? Or a defensive midfielder?

I don't think he sees him as a centre back in the Premier League, playing a high line. Third choice right back or defensive midfielder.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on August 28, 2023, 12:45:58 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: not3bad on August 28, 2023, 11:54:11 AM
This might be a squeaky bum time as the window ends. Emery says we must be ready for action if the right deal(s) to improve the squad come up and of course this is true. At the same time I hear Liverpool are going to make a tilt at taking Luiz off our hands. If they got him in the week before they played us they'd really fuck us over.

Got to trust NSWE to hold firm.

And its not like the likes of Liverpool wouldn't be so underhanded that they use transfer "leaks" to get into a players head before we play them... 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on August 28, 2023, 12:55:18 PM
			

			

				Luiz was exceptional at the Emerites last August the night before everyone thought he was going to Arsenal, so I don't see it having too much effect on him. I also don't see Liverpool offering £100m plus for him that it would surely take now. He's one of the best in the league now, Emery has kicked him and McGinn on into top 4 players on a regular basis. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 28, 2023, 01:03:06 PM
			

			

				Luiz is pretty much playing top 4 level every week now, and may not have reached his ceiling. If there’s a release clause in his contract then we should be offering him a new deal pronto.

It’s too risky otherwise. It’d be a massive set-back if he left. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on August 28, 2023, 01:07:31 PM
			

			

				The only this I would say on luiz would be that I would be absolutely shocked if he didn’t have a release clause in his contract 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ian. on August 28, 2023, 01:08:56 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ozzjim on August 28, 2023, 12:55:18 PM
Luiz was exceptional at the Emerites last August the night before everyone thought he was going to Arsenal, so I don't see it having too much effect on him. I also don't see Liverpool offering £100m plus for him that it would surely take now. He's one of the best in the league now, Emery has kicked him and McGinn on into top 4 players on a regular basis. 

He’s not good enough for the Wolves side though.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Mister E on August 28, 2023, 01:19:40 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ozzjim on August 28, 2023, 12:55:18 PM
Luiz was exceptional at the Emerites last August the night before everyone thought he was going to Arsenal, so I don't see it having too much effect on him. I also don't see Liverpool offering £100m plus for him that it would surely take now. He's one of the best in the league now, Emery has kicked him and McGinn on into top 4 players on a regular basis. 
And yet they were - apparently - willing  to pay £100m for Caicedo. I wouldn't be overly-surprised if they tested his and our resolve; I'd like to think he has the foresight to recognise and appriecate the journey we're on (unlike with Southgate, other international managers do not see being part of the cabal of 6 as a prerequisite for selection, so Luiz would not have to worry about his own international ambitions).
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on August 28, 2023, 01:21:05 PM
			

			

				In all honesty - with how well they are all playing - it's almost impossible to think we won't lose a few of our players along the way.  I would be gutted if we lost Luiz as he has been excellent under Emery, and I think he will only get better.  But, I would imagine he's got a release clause, and also I would imagine would like to play in the Brazil squad - and might see a move as a way of it happening. 

He's clearly loving life at the Villa, but I wouldn't be utterly shocked if he did move on.  I'm fairly relaxed as Emery is such a good coach, I'm pretty certain he could just bring Steve Sidwell out of retirement and have him looking like prime Pirlo by November.  

Personally, I think, the only one that would really derail everything would be Unai getting pinched.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 28, 2023, 01:26:35 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pablo_picasso on August 28, 2023, 12:45:58 PM
And its not like the likes of Liverpool wouldn't be so underhanded that they use transfer "leaks" to get into a players head before we play them...

I wonder if its someone at Bodymoor spreading the Salah to Saudi rumours 😄
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on August 28, 2023, 01:54:42 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 28, 2023, 11:24:02 AM
He could sell the entire squad then pick a team of programme sellers, turnstile operatives and messageboard malcontents and he'd be right. He's Unsi Emery and none of us are.

This 100 times over

Unai knows….tho I will say am a few years behind past my best :-)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on August 28, 2023, 02:10:38 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Beard82 on August 28, 2023, 01:21:05 PM
In all honesty - with how well they are all playing - it's almost impossible to think we won't lose a few of our players along the way.  I would be gutted if we lost Luiz as he has been excellent under Emery, and I think he will only get better.  But, I would imagine he's got a release clause, and also I would imagine would like to play in the Brazil squad - and might see a move as a way of it happening. 

He's clearly loving life at the Villa, but I wouldn't be utterly shocked if he did move on.  I'm fairly relaxed as Emery is such a good coach, I'm pretty certain he could just bring Steve Sidwell out of retirement and have him looking like prime Pirlo by November.  

Personally, I think, the only one that would really derail everything would be Unai getting pinched. 

Luiz is one of the best midfielders in the league. I'd expect that view is held outside of Villa Park. He's a far more complete player than either of the midfielders bought by Chelsea in the last couple of weeks. But Arsenal and Man City seem to have plenty of options for his position. I guess likes of Man United and Liverpool could put a bid of 100m or so in for him but I don't think they have the cash. 

I'm more worried about Watkins. He's not the most prolific but he improves a lot of teams with bigger budgets than ours. Plus talk of his new contract died over the summer. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on August 28, 2023, 02:14:33 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 28, 2023, 11:24:02 AM
He's Unsi Emery and none of us are.

Well neither is he to be fair. ;-) 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on August 28, 2023, 02:19:23 PM
			

			

				I’m really hoping we still have addition or two coming in. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Hairbandinho on August 28, 2023, 02:26:56 PM
			

			

				Personally I don't see us signing anyone else. We have 3 first team players coming back in the next 4 weeks or so
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ian. on August 28, 2023, 02:33:32 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Beard82 on August 28, 2023, 01:21:05 PM
 

Personally, I think, the only one that would really derail everything would be  Unai getting pinched.

That’s already been text to me by multiple people today, all saying he’ll be off to manage Spain at the earliest opportunity.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 28, 2023, 02:36:18 PM
			

			

				It'd be nice to think that one of the big players we've been linked with, that dismissed us, have been looking at our last few matches and thinking "oh, that looks exciting......" 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 28, 2023, 02:38:39 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ian. on August 28, 2023, 02:33:32 PM
Quote from: Beard82 on August 28, 2023, 01:21:05 PM
 Personally, I think, the only one that would really derail everything would be  Unai getting pinched.

That’s already been text to me by multiple people today, all saying he’ll be off to manage Spain at the earliest opportunity.

I'd imagine he'd want to prove himself in the PL first, plus he might find international mgmt a bit boring with fewer opponents to analyse day in, day out. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 28, 2023, 02:40:23 PM
			

			

				Coutinho to Qatar getting mentioned again on SSN.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on August 28, 2023, 02:54:35 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ian. on August 28, 2023, 02:33:32 PM
Quote from: Beard82 on August 28, 2023, 01:21:05 PM
 

Personally, I think, the only one that would really derail everything would be  Unai getting pinched.

That’s already been text to me by multiple people today, all saying he’ll be off to manage Spain at the earliest opportunity.

I think he would find managing an international team too boring, he needs that day-to-day stuff and regular games. He's also from the Basque area so might not be too fussed about the national team. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on August 28, 2023, 02:55:08 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ian. on August 28, 2023, 02:33:32 PM
Quote from: Beard82 on August 28, 2023, 01:21:05 PM
 

Personally, I think, the only one that would really derail everything would be  Unai getting pinched.

That’s already been text to me by multiple people today, all saying he’ll be off to manage Spain at the earliest opportunity.

Who are these people? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dave.woodhall on August 28, 2023, 02:58:42 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: villadelph on August 28, 2023, 02:55:08 PM
Quote from: Ian. on August 28, 2023, 02:33:32 PM
Quote from: Beard82 on August 28, 2023, 01:21:05 PM
 

Personally, I think, the only one that would really derail everything would be  Unai getting pinched.

That’s already been text to me by multiple people today, all saying he’ll be off to manage Spain at the earliest opportunity.

Who are these people? 

Supporters of other teams who don't like the idea of the Villa doing well. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 28, 2023, 03:03:49 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 28, 2023, 02:58:42 PM
Quote from: villadelph on August 28, 2023, 02:55:08 PM
Quote from: Ian. on August 28, 2023, 02:33:32 PM
Quote from: Beard82 on August 28, 2023, 01:21:05 PM
 

Personally, I think, the only one that would really derail everything would be  Unai getting pinched.

That’s already been text to me by multiple people today, all saying he’ll be off to manage Spain at the earliest opportunity.

Who are these people? 

Supporters of other teams who don't like the idea of the Villa doing well.

I just can’t see Unai wanting to manage an international team yet. That job will come around every so many years and he’s less than a year into this “project”. 

If say he’d been here 5 years and won a couple of trophies then maybe. 

Can’t see him wanting a part time job.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on August 28, 2023, 03:06:41 PM
			

			

				He's barely fifty and seems to need constant hits of football like a junky. Don't think he's leaving the club game any time soon.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 28, 2023, 03:07:17 PM
			

			

				I think if he took an international job he'd want to be in charge of the mens and womens teams, and at all age groups. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on August 28, 2023, 03:08:07 PM
			

			

				I can't imagine Emery managing an international team. 
He'd be bored not having any football for months on end. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on August 28, 2023, 03:14:11 PM
			

			

				I don’t see us losing anyone we dont want to lose before the deadline though I am surprised that the usual London centric muckrakers haven’t linked our top players & coach to their bang average over egged clubs.

Think it only becomes an issue if at the end of the season we haven’t threatened a trophy or properly challenged for top 6.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 28, 2023, 03:29:59 PM
			

			

				Maybe it's because so far this season none of the "Top 4" are looking particularly impressive. There's usually an air of "player X is too good to be at Villa, he should be playing for soandso". 

I know the bias runs deeper than logic for a lot of them, but other than the opportunity for immediate Champions League football, there's not a lot on offer from the bigger clubs at the moment. 

Even with Man City, who will probably win the league and pay quite well, there's no guarantee of regular game time from Pep. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dave.woodhall on August 28, 2023, 04:15:52 PM
			

			

				If you're Luiz or Martinez, who else apart from Manchester City is a guaranteed upgrade? Liverpool are all over the place, Manchester United don't know who their owners will be from one week to the next, Chelsea are struggling to get back up there, Arsenal and Spurs are perennial flatterers to deceive, Newcastle are inconsistent. And the club you play for now are getting better by the week. 

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 28, 2023, 04:21:28 PM
			

			

				International management isn’t what it used to be, ie the pinnacle of a career. 

It’s be far too slow for Emery, anyway, imagine him waiting months between matches. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on August 28, 2023, 04:23:59 PM
			

			

				All plans and no play makes Unai a sad boy.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on August 28, 2023, 04:26:42 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 28, 2023, 04:21:28 PM
International management isn’t what it used to be, ie the pinnacle of a career. 

It’s be far too slow for Emery, anyway, imagine him waiting months between matches. 

Emery Vs Southgate?  It would be like kicking a puppy. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on August 28, 2023, 04:27:05 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 28, 2023, 04:21:28 PM
International management isn’t what it used to be, ie the pinnacle of a career. 

It’s be far too slow for Emery, anyway, imagine him waiting months between matches. 

I think he'd literally die.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on August 28, 2023, 04:28:44 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 28, 2023, 04:21:28 PM
International management isn’t what it used to be, ie the pinnacle of a career. 

It’s be far too slow for Emery, anyway, imagine him waiting months between matches.

And even if he does want to do it, Spain change their manager so frequently that he'll get another five or six chances over the next couple of decades.

Next time it's available, he hardly needs to grab the chance, lest it never come again.

Also, taking a job with the Spanish FA right now is probably akin to taking a job with Russian military command or the Tory party, such are the prospects of a happy working environment. 

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on August 28, 2023, 04:28:53 PM
			

			

				I have got to find some cloud to darken my day
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on August 28, 2023, 04:30:00 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on August 28, 2023, 04:28:44 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 28, 2023, 04:21:28 PM
International management isn’t what it used to be, ie the pinnacle of a career. 

It’s be far too slow for Emery, anyway, imagine him waiting months between matches.

And even if he does want to do it, Spain change their manager so frequently that he'll get another five or six chances over the next couple of decades.

Next time it's available, he hardly needs to grab the chance, lest it never come again.

Also, taking a job with the Spanish FA right now is probably akin to taking a job with Russian military command or the Tory party, such are the prospects of a happy working environment.
Its unreal isn't it - its like they have hired Prince Andrews PR firm
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Billy Walker on August 28, 2023, 04:31:35 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ian. on August 28, 2023, 02:33:32 PM
Quote from: Beard82 on August 28, 2023, 01:21:05 PM
 

Personally, I think, the only one that would really derail everything would be  Unai getting pinched.

That’s already been text to me by multiple people today, all saying he’ll be off to manage Spain at the earliest opportunity.

Were these people Bluenoses by any chance? Genuinely, let's put our innate Brummie pessimism aside and enjoy the journey.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 28, 2023, 04:33:03 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 28, 2023, 04:21:28 PM
International management isn’t what it used to be, ie the pinnacle of a career. 

It’s be far too slow for Emery, anyway, imagine him waiting months between matches. 

Indeed. He was quoted last month saying how much he loves the extra Euro games and is looking forward to playing on a Thursday and Sunday. More games the better.

As for somebody trying to take him away from Villa Park; not a chance. He's been given the keys to Villa Park, has been backed in EVERY single thing he wants, his own staff, his own executives, more money than he's ever been given for transfers, a club where the fans love him and as much Brylcreem as he can slap on his bonce. It doesn't get better than this and he knows it.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: lovejoy on August 28, 2023, 05:03:10 PM
			

			

				As someone ousted before, it’s unlikely the national team would be a big pull for a Basque.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 28, 2023, 05:06:28 PM
			

			

				
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Also, taking a job with the Spanish FA right now is probably akin to taking a job with Russian military command or the Tory party, such are the prospects of a happy working environment. 


Although if he did take over the Russian military command, he’d at least have a shorter injury list than he has here. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 28, 2023, 05:07:43 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: lovejoy on August 28, 2023, 05:03:10 PM
As someone ousted before, it’s unlikely the national team would be a big pull for a Basque.

Didn’t put Lopetegui off, mind. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on August 28, 2023, 05:10:44 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: lovejoy on August 28, 2023, 05:03:10 PM
As someone ousted before, it’s unlikely the national team would be a big pull for a Basque.

Hard to know. Lopetegui, another top Basque manager, took the national job and must have felt it was the pinnacle til Real Madrid came calling.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 28, 2023, 05:30:02 PM
			

			

				
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Also, taking a job with the Spanish FA right now is probably akin to taking a job with Russian military command or the Tory party, such are the prospects of a happy working environment. 

Although if he did take over the Russian military command, he’d at least have a shorter injury list than he has here. 

It'd certainly be bad news for Ukraine.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 28, 2023, 05:33:12 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on August 28, 2023, 05:30:02 PM
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Also, taking a job with the Spanish FA right now is probably akin to taking a job with Russian military command or the Tory party, such are the prospects of a happy working environment. 

Although if he did take over the Russian military command, he’d at least have a shorter injury list than he has here. 

It'd certainly be bad news for Ukraine.

In Kyiv for Christmas. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 28, 2023, 06:56:09 PM
			

			

				Forest have turned down £43mil plus add ons for Brennan Johnson from Brentford. I thought earlier in the window they'd said £40mil was the asking price. Seems they've changed their minds. 

Not sure we need him now but that seems a lot of money. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on August 28, 2023, 07:19:06 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 28, 2023, 06:56:09 PM
Forest have turned down £43mil plus add ons for Brennan Johnson from Brentford. I thought earlier in the window they'd said £40mil was the asking price. Seems they've changed their minds. 

Not sure we need him now but that seems a lot of money.

Too right, this late in the window makes it hard to replace and Spurs are in the game too so they should play Levy at his own game…fair play to Forest
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: lovejoy on August 28, 2023, 07:29:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on August 28, 2023, 05:10:44 PM
Quote from: lovejoy on August 28, 2023, 05:03:10 PM
As someone ousted before, it’s unlikely the national team would be a big pull for a Basque.

Hard to know. Lopetegui, another top Basque manager, took the national job and must have felt it was the pinnacle til Real Madrid came calling.

I think that basically proves the point.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 28, 2023, 07:30:34 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 28, 2023, 06:56:09 PM
Forest have turned down £43mil plus add ons for Brennan Johnson from Brentford. I thought earlier in the window they'd said £40mil was the asking price. Seems they've changed their minds. 

Not sure we need him now but that seems a lot of money. 

Tough for Forest, though, to find their best players being fished for by the likes of Brentford.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on August 28, 2023, 07:34:16 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 28, 2023, 07:30:34 PM
Quote from: AV84 on August 28, 2023, 06:56:09 PM
Forest have turned down £43mil plus add ons for Brennan Johnson from Brentford. I thought earlier in the window they'd said £40mil was the asking price. Seems they've changed their minds. 

Not sure we need him now but that seems a lot of money. 
I thought Spurs were in for him?

Tough for Forest, though, to find their best players being fished for by the likes of Brentford.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on August 28, 2023, 07:42:33 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 28, 2023, 06:56:09 PM
Forest have turned down £43mil plus add ons for Brennan Johnson from Brentford. I thought earlier in the window they'd said £40mil was the asking price. Seems they've changed their minds. 

Not sure we need him now but that seems a lot of money. 

They've said they want £50m for him but it was thought that they would take £40m. Nothing more than a thought though. They might do a deal for £45m+add-ons. 

I think we moved on and signed Zaniolo instead. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 28, 2023, 07:47:13 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ChicagoLion on August 28, 2023, 07:34:16 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 28, 2023, 07:30:34 PM
Quote from: AV84 on August 28, 2023, 06:56:09 PM
Forest have turned down £43mil plus add ons for Brennan Johnson from Brentford. I thought earlier in the window they'd said £40mil was the asking price. Seems they've changed their minds. 

Not sure we need him now but that seems a lot of money. 
I thought Spurs were in for him?

Tough for Forest, though, to find their best players being fished for by the likes of Brentford.

They might be, but Brentford have apparently been after him all summer. 

That's a tough one, they'll take a hit to the pride with that one, the fact that Brentford even think they are as much of a jump up to be able to take their best players off them.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 28, 2023, 08:04:08 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 28, 2023, 07:47:13 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on August 28, 2023, 07:34:16 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 28, 2023, 07:30:34 PM
Quote from: AV84 on August 28, 2023, 06:56:09 PM
Forest have turned down £43mil plus add ons for Brennan Johnson from Brentford. I thought earlier in the window they'd said £40mil was the asking price. Seems they've changed their minds. 

Not sure we need him now but that seems a lot of money. 
I thought Spurs were in for him?

Tough for Forest, though, to find their best players being fished for by the likes of Brentford.

They might be, but Brentford have apparently been after him all summer. 

That's a tough one, they'll take a hit to the pride with that one, the fact that Brentford even think they are as much of a jump up to be able to take their best players off them.

When we were supposedly interested it was Brentford that made a move, think it was 30 and then 35. They've come back in now with over 40, but Spurs are supposedly interested now too. 

I suppose if the player has a preference for Spurs, and the club doesn't really want to sell, they may as well hold out for as much cash as possible. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 28, 2023, 08:08:14 PM
			

			

				I'm surprised we never went after Kieran Tierney from Arsenal. He's gone on loan to Real Sociedad.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ian. on August 28, 2023, 09:01:43 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 28, 2023, 02:58:42 PM
Quote from: villadelph on August 28, 2023, 02:55:08 PM
Quote from: Ian. on August 28, 2023, 02:33:32 PM
Quote from: Beard82 on August 28, 2023, 01:21:05 PM
 

Personally, I think, the only one that would really derail everything would be  Unai getting pinched.

That’s already been text to me by multiple people today, all saying he’ll be off to manage Spain at the earliest opportunity.

Who are these people? 

Supporters of other teams who don't like the idea of the Villa doing well. 

Yup, fearful friends who support Liverpool and Man Utd. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on August 28, 2023, 09:29:33 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 28, 2023, 08:08:14 PM
I'm surprised we never went after Kieran Tierney from Arsenal. He's gone on loan to Real Sociedad.

He's only moving because he wants to play. And he's perfectly fine, but he's not going to get 35+ matches here either. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on August 28, 2023, 09:37:58 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ChicagoLion on August 28, 2023, 07:34:16 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 28, 2023, 07:30:34 PM
Quote from: AV84 on August 28, 2023, 06:56:09 PM
Forest have turned down £43mil plus add ons for Brennan Johnson from Brentford. I thought earlier in the window they'd said £40mil was the asking price. Seems they've changed their minds. 

Not sure we need him now but that seems a lot of money. 

Tough for Forest, though, to find their best players being fished for by the likes of Brentford.
I thought Spurs were in for him?
That's even worse!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on August 28, 2023, 10:33:39 PM
			

			

				Johnson is a good player, would be a very good player under Emery I reckon. Sadly, I also think he'll kick on under Ange so I hope Spurs don't get him. Already think Spurs look very un spursy so far which is worrying. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on August 28, 2023, 10:36:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ozzjim on August 28, 2023, 10:33:39 PM
Johnson is a good player, would be a very good player under Emery I reckon. Sadly, I also think he'll kick on under Ange so I hope Spurs don't get him. Already think Spurs look very un spursy so far which is worrying.
Yes - I thought that too - I was thinking, how come Leicester and spurs can get managers from Scotland that arent chancers, but yet we get fooled
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: RamboandBruno on August 28, 2023, 10:49:39 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Beard82 on August 28, 2023, 10:36:18 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 28, 2023, 10:33:39 PM
Johnson is a good player, would be a very good player under Emery I reckon. Sadly, I also think he'll kick on under Ange so I hope Spurs don't get him. Already think Spurs look very un spursy so far which is worrying.
Yes - I thought that too - I was thinking, how come Leicester and spurs can get managers from Scotland that arent chancers, but yet we get fooled
Got….past tense.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on August 28, 2023, 10:50:40 PM
			

			

				Purslow was in love wasn't he.

Iheanacho for £15m is a good signing for Wolves. He's be a very good Ollie reserve. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 28, 2023, 11:44:51 PM
			

			

				I've always thought Iheanacho is pretty shite. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: thick_mike on August 28, 2023, 11:47:03 PM
			

			

				Except when he inevitably scores against us
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on August 29, 2023, 12:01:53 AM
			

			

				Castagne looking like he could be going from Leicester to Fulham for £15m.  Not spectacular, but might have been a decent squad addition at that price.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on August 29, 2023, 12:05:38 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on August 28, 2023, 07:42:33 PM
Quote from: AV84 on August 28, 2023, 06:56:09 PM
Forest have turned down £43mil plus add ons for Brennan Johnson from Brentford. I thought earlier in the window they'd said £40mil was the asking price. Seems they've changed their minds. 

Not sure we need him now but that seems a lot of money. 

They've said they want £50m for him but it was thought that they would take £40m. Nothing more than a thought though. They might do a deal for £45m+add-ons. 

I think we moved on and signed Zaniolo instead.

Different type of player really.  Johnson would be competition for Ollie Watkins' spot.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on August 29, 2023, 12:10:31 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: tomd2103 on August 29, 2023, 12:05:38 AM
Quote from: OCD on August 28, 2023, 07:42:33 PM
Quote from: AV84 on August 28, 2023, 06:56:09 PM
Forest have turned down £43mil plus add ons for Brennan Johnson from Brentford. I thought earlier in the window they'd said £40mil was the asking price. Seems they've changed their minds. 

Not sure we need him now but that seems a lot of money. 

They've said they want £50m for him but it was thought that they would take £40m. Nothing more than a thought though. They might do a deal for £45m+add-ons. 

I think we moved on and signed Zaniolo instead.

Different type of player really.  Johnson would be competition for Ollie Watkins' spot.

They are but I suspect OCD is right.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on August 29, 2023, 12:12:35 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on August 29, 2023, 12:10:31 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on August 29, 2023, 12:05:38 AM
Quote from: OCD on August 28, 2023, 07:42:33 PM
Quote from: AV84 on August 28, 2023, 06:56:09 PM
Forest have turned down £43mil plus add ons for Brennan Johnson from Brentford. I thought earlier in the window they'd said £40mil was the asking price. Seems they've changed their minds. 

Not sure we need him now but that seems a lot of money. 

They've said they want £50m for him but it was thought that they would take £40m. Nothing more than a thought though. They might do a deal for £45m+add-ons. 

I think we moved on and signed Zaniolo instead.

Different type of player really.  Johnson would be competition for Ollie Watkins' spot.

They are but I suspect OCD is right.

Probably Paul.  Think it is dependent on whether they see Diaby being able to play as a striker as well.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on August 29, 2023, 12:18:19 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Beard82 on August 28, 2023, 10:36:18 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 28, 2023, 10:33:39 PM
Johnson is a good player, would be a very good player under Emery I reckon. Sadly, I also think he'll kick on under Ange so I hope Spurs don't get him. Already think Spurs look very un spursy so far which is worrying.
Yes - I thought that too - I was thinking, how come Leicester and spurs can get managers from Scotland that arent chancers, but yet we get fooled

Ange and Rodgers are both actual football managers though. Gerrard is an ex player more than a manager if that makes sense. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 29, 2023, 12:19:02 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Beard82 on August 28, 2023, 10:36:18 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 28, 2023, 10:33:39 PM
Johnson is a good player, would be a very good player under Emery I reckon. Sadly, I also think he'll kick on under Ange so I hope Spurs don't get him. Already think Spurs look very un spursy so far which is worrying.
Yes - I thought that too - I was thinking, how come Leicester and spurs can get managers from Scotland that arent chancers, but yet we get fooled

I used my 'footy levels insight' to try and warn people that Ange was a decent manager and wasn't going to flop just because he was from up there. Still early days though, I don't think they have the squad depth yet.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Garyth on August 29, 2023, 12:29:32 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on August 28, 2023, 12:13:31 PM


To put it as simply as possible we defend as a 442 and transition to a 325 in attack. 1 of the reasons we usually build slowly is get everyone into that shape and see how the opposition cover it. Then we move the pieces until a gap appears  it's how most of the top sides are playing over the last 2-3 seasons, the differences are in how you get there.

This. Apart from if we win a ball in the middle third, we break urgently with 2 or 3 quick passes trying to bypass lines before opposition can transition into defensive shape. It’s simple but you need to be very well drilled to know where pass option s are likely to be. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: danno on August 29, 2023, 01:04:46 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on August 29, 2023, 12:19:02 AM
Quote from: Beard82 on August 28, 2023, 10:36:18 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 28, 2023, 10:33:39 PM
Johnson is a good player, would be a very good player under Emery I reckon. Sadly, I also think he'll kick on under Ange so I hope Spurs don't get him. Already think Spurs look very un spursy so far which is worrying.
Yes - I thought that too - I was thinking, how come Leicester and spurs can get managers from Scotland that arent chancers, but yet we get fooled

I used my 'footy levels insight' to try and warn people that Ange was a decent manager and wasn't going to flop just because he was from up there. Still early days though, I don't think they have the squad depth yet.

They actually started last season pretty well, one loss in their first ten games.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: lovejoy on August 29, 2023, 09:36:46 AM
			

			

				I think our business is done. I think there will be clubs panic buying but we are thankfully not in that space. The idea we go from near relegation to having a top 6 side with every position covered in a few years is fanciful.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: jwarry on August 29, 2023, 10:13:56 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: lovejoy on August 29, 2023, 09:36:46 AM
I think our business is done. I think there will be clubs panic buying but we are thankfully not in that space. The idea we go from near relegation to having a top 6 side with every position covered in a few years is fanciful.

Unai’s comments yesterday seem to indicate we have offers on the table with a few who are probably hoping for something better but may end up coming because they can’t get what they want e.g. Felix
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 29, 2023, 10:16:00 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: lovejoy on August 29, 2023, 09:36:46 AM
I think our business is done. I think there will be clubs panic buying but we are thankfully not in that space. The idea we go from near relegation to having a top 6 side with every position covered in a few years is fanciful.

If Coutinho goes I think we may see one more in on loan to buy (a big wage player from somewhere like Barca - Torres/ Fati type). However if it doesn't happen we have the power to move in January, and maybe that woud actually be for the better. We have a few players to bed in, and plenty returning from injury betweeen now and January. Gives some space for some of the youngsters to get games in Europe too.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on August 29, 2023, 10:19:57 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on August 29, 2023, 10:16:00 AM
Quote from: lovejoy on August 29, 2023, 09:36:46 AM
I think our business is done. I think there will be clubs panic buying but we are thankfully not in that space. The idea we go from near relegation to having a top 6 side with every position covered in a few years is fanciful.

If Coutinho goes I think we may see one more in on loan to buy (a big wage player from somewhere like Barca - Torres/ Fati type). However if it doesn't happen we have the power to move in January, and maybe that woud actually be for the better. We have a few players to bed in, and plenty returning from injury betweeen now and January. Gives some space for some of the youngsters to get games in Europe too.
Yep, agree with all of that.  I get the impression that we've pretty much got the 'Coutinho out' part sorted with that Qatari team, so maybe it's just a case of playing a waiting game with one of our targets, and if they want to come then everything else will fall in to place.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on August 29, 2023, 10:25:07 AM
			

			

				I really think we need one or two. Things look good after some positive results, but we have lost two first teamers to season ending injuries, plus our first choice keeper has an injury (hopefully very short-term). It wouldn’t take much, a couple more injuries, and we really start to creak. Especially if we’re still looking to offload players, noting both Archer and Coutinho did feature in our first few games.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villafirst on August 29, 2023, 10:31:36 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 29, 2023, 10:25:07 AM
I really think we need one or two. Things look good after some positive results, but we have lost two first teamers to season ending injuries, plus our first choice keeper has an injury (hopefully very short-term). It wouldn’t take much, a couple more injuries, and we really start to creak. Especially if we’re still looking to offload players, noting both Archer and Coutinho did feature in our first few games.

Agree. Just say one permanent signing and a one loan deal would do for now. You're right a couple more injuries, which is more likely given the amount of games, and it becomes a real issue with the lack of squad depth. Why risk a really promising position for the sake of a couple more signings?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on August 29, 2023, 10:38:14 AM
			

			

				We couldn't fill the bench, and that was after having two keepers on it. We've obviously got Dendoncker, Ramsey and Moreno to come back, but that's not giving us much wriggle room at all. Another injury or two, and we'll be back in the same position.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SoccerHQ on August 29, 2023, 10:46:17 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: tomd2103 on August 29, 2023, 12:01:53 AM
Castagne looking like he could be going from Leicester to Fulham for £15m.  Not spectacular, but might have been a decent squad addition at that price.

Yes he was good in Serie A and can play both sides so pretty good price. Not all good FBs cost 20m +.

I think Tete's being linked with a few moves, he'd be a great pick up for RB.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ger Regan on August 29, 2023, 10:48:35 AM
			

			

				What I don't understand is that if we're ok with putting a youth keeper on the bench, why not put someone like Kellyman, Revan or Feeney on it depending on positional cover need.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on August 29, 2023, 11:00:27 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 29, 2023, 10:25:07 AM
I really think we need one or two. Things look good after some positive results, but we have lost two first teamers to season ending injuries, plus our first choice keeper has an injury (hopefully very short-term). It wouldn’t take much, a couple more injuries, and we really start to creak. Especially if we’re still looking to offload players, noting both Archer and Coutinho did feature in our first few games.

Zaniolo has come in since though (and is effectively replacing Archer even if they're not playing exactly the same) and Coutinho hasn't gone yet. We also have a massive injury list right now but most of them are going to be back after the next 2 games so it will look better by the time we play palace. As I've said a few times the only definite gap in the squad right now is for another defender because, discounting Mings, we only have 7 senior defenders in the squad, whether that's a right back or a centre back really depends on what Emery wants to do with Konsa long term and what he sees Chambers as best suited to.

I do see Chambers and Bert as the replacements for Mings and Buendia though because I doubt either of them were in our plans for the season until those injuries.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 29, 2023, 11:45:07 AM
			

			

				Problem with Bert , he is just as injury prone.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: lovejoy on August 29, 2023, 11:46:19 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 29, 2023, 11:45:07 AM
Problem with Bert , he is just as injury prone.

and he's not very good.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 29, 2023, 11:47:28 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ger Regan on August 29, 2023, 10:48:35 AM
What I don't understand is that if we're ok with putting a youth keeper on the bench, why not put someone like Kellyman, Revan or Feeney on it depending on positional cover need.

Did some of them play for the U21s last week, I think Kellyman did. Can't remember the day but maybe it was just too much football? 

Edit - Friday night they played Man City. So maybe we'll see one or two of them on the bench on Thursday.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on August 29, 2023, 11:52:15 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ger Regan on August 29, 2023, 10:48:35 AM
What I don't understand is that if we're ok with putting a youth keeper on the bench, why not put someone like Kellyman, Revan or Feeney on it depending on positional cover need.

I think it’s about the status of the first team, i.e. to get on the bench you’ve shown you’re ready to play. That’d be my suspicion.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on August 29, 2023, 11:58:08 AM
			

			

				Emery’s comments post game definitely suggest we’re looking.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Paul.S on August 29, 2023, 11:58:59 AM
			

			

				30 mins for Traore or a game every so often is as much as he can deal with. I don’t think he’s a replacement for anyone but more of a luxury.
Maybe a game here or there in Europe, depending on the opponent, but I don’t see him as someone who can fill in for a number of games in the league.
If Coutinho does leave then ideally we need something else but I can’t see that happening. I think we’ll bring another 1 in and I can see it being a defender. Maybe a centre half  or RB depending on how Emery wants to play and sees things. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on August 29, 2023, 11:59:29 AM
			

			

				We're still 2 short. An attacking and a defensive option. A quick glance at our bench tells you that. Players will return from injury sure, but others will get injured too. As ever with Villa, we are not going the final step to be truly strong enough to compete. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Chris Smith on August 29, 2023, 12:27:14 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ozzjim on August 29, 2023, 11:59:29 AM
We're still 2 short. An attacking and a defensive option. A quick glance at our bench tells you that. Players will return from injury sure, but others will get injured too. As ever with Villa, we are not going the final step to be truly strong enough to compete. 

Against that we have to accept that Emery is only going to sign players that are up to his standards. If they’re not available he’ll wait for the next window.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 29, 2023, 12:53:31 PM
			

			

				Emery's comments at the weekend about not replacing Mings and Buendia were interesting. He basically said they can't be replaced as people, and that as far as on the pitch went they were looking to see if the players already there could fill the holes left by their absence. Which to me sounds perfectly sensible. 

That may explain the different midfield setups we've seen this season so far. As for more players coming in it doesn't seem like he's looking at it numbers wise, like 2 injured must buy 2 more. Seems more like he's got plans and tactics and he's going to make sure he has the players that can carry them out, and if he already has the players to do it then he's not going to buy just for the sake of buying. 

I've said it already but I think if we get anyone else in it will be one of the bigger names we were linked with earlier in the window. Otherwise I think we're done. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: jwarry on August 29, 2023, 12:54:35 PM
			

			

				Romano 
EXCL: Aston Villa weighing up a move for Clement Lenglet as option on the table for the final days of the window 🟣🔵

There are multiple options available but Barcelona aware of Aston Villa interest, waiting for developments.

In any case, Barça feel sure that CL will leave.



Can’t say I know enough about him but I can’t remember him pulling up any trees at Spudz
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 29, 2023, 12:54:57 PM
			

			

				Our favourite soothsayer reckons we're 'weighing up' a bid for Lenglet.
https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1696490853907185783 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on August 29, 2023, 01:39:24 PM
			

			

				Do we really need another centre-back?

Where are the links to wingers, forwards, strikers? 

I hope the club have something planned 😭

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: jwarry on August 29, 2023, 01:44:23 PM
			

			

				I imagine Lenglet would be a loan to fill Mings shows this season, being left footed and all that 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 29, 2023, 01:44:35 PM
			

			

				Cash and Digne are wingers now.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on August 29, 2023, 01:48:31 PM
			

			

				We need a striker! 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SamTheMouse on August 29, 2023, 01:57:10 PM
			

			

				Martinez and Ollie are the only ones we really need back up for now. If anything happened to either of them, I think we'd have a real problem.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on August 29, 2023, 01:57:41 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on August 29, 2023, 01:48:31 PM
We need a striker!

Not sure if Unai agrees this window

Maybe we go back for Tammy in January?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 29, 2023, 02:07:48 PM
			

			

				I'm half joking half serious here but...... Cash's finishing looked pretty decent. Do you think if we were absolutely stuck for options he could play a few games up top? I mean, probably if Watkins was out we'd be looking at Diaby or Zaniolo to play as a full striker, but I'd fancy Cash to net a few if they were playing where they do now and he's just floating around the box. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ger Regan on August 29, 2023, 02:14:09 PM
			

			

				His goalscoring rate since joining us, along with his glaring miss against newcastle, would suggest that we'd have to be really stuck to consider that.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on August 29, 2023, 02:14:10 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 29, 2023, 02:07:48 PM
I'm half joking half serious here but...... Cash's finishing looked pretty decent. Do you think if we were absolutely stuck for options he could play a few games up top? I mean, probably if Watkins was out we'd be looking at Diaby or Zaniolo to play as a full striker, but I'd fancy Cash to net a few if they were playing where they do now and he's just floating around the box.

Sure there are a few of them who could do a job for a game or two but would lose a significant amount of attacking threat if we lost Ollie who is a massive cog in how we play and replacing like for like is massive, Ings couldn’t do it so finding someone who can do the role Unai wants is tough
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 29, 2023, 02:20:38 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ger Regan on August 29, 2023, 02:14:09 PM
His goalscoring rate since joining us, along with his glaring miss against newcastle, would suggest that we'd have to be really stuck to consider that.

Oh we'd definitely have to be stuck, but I'm thinking Duran out injured, Ollie gets a knock early on in a game and has to come off. The bench is 3 keepers and 5 centre backs..... 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on August 29, 2023, 02:21:20 PM
			

			

				If playing as a striker in an Emery team was as straight forward as being able to finish, surely we wouldn't have sold Cam. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: UK Redsox on August 29, 2023, 02:22:09 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 29, 2023, 02:07:48 PM
I'm half joking half serious here but...... Cash's finishing looked pretty decent. Do you think if we were absolutely stuck for options he could play a few games up top? I mean, probably if Watkins was out we'd be looking at Diaby or Zaniolo to play as a full striker, but I'd fancy Cash to net a few if they were playing where they do now and he's just floating around the box. 

Oh yes....the days of Ricardo Scimeca playing up front :)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on August 29, 2023, 02:23:19 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Chris Smith on August 29, 2023, 12:27:14 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 29, 2023, 11:59:29 AM
We're still 2 short. An attacking and a defensive option. A quick glance at our bench tells you that. Players will return from injury sure, but others will get injured too. As ever with Villa, we are not going the final step to be truly strong enough to compete. 

Against that we have to accept that Emery is only going to sign players that are up to his standards. If they’re not available he’ll wait for the next window.
And there we have it.  Jam tomorrow.  It was ever thus.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SteveN on August 29, 2023, 02:28:38 PM
			

			

				Spence at Spurs is probably available never had a look in there but was good at Forest.  Cash like and could be decent cover for him if UM thinks we need right back cover:
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on August 29, 2023, 02:34:25 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 29, 2023, 02:07:48 PM
I'm half joking half serious here but...... Cash's finishing looked pretty decent. Do you think if we were absolutely stuck for options he could play a few games up top? I mean, probably if Watkins was out we'd be looking at Diaby or Zaniolo to play as a full striker, but I'd fancy Cash to net a few if they were playing where they do now and he's just floating around the box. 
I remember lots of people thinking ElGhazi could do a job up top if needed.  Until he was needed and then we realised very quickly that he couldn't.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on August 29, 2023, 02:46:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: SteveN on August 29, 2023, 02:28:38 PM
Spence at Spurs is probably available never had a look in there but was good at Forest.  Cash like and could be decent cover for him if UM thinks we need right back cover:

Shit at defending & has an equally shit attitude. 

Major pass... 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on August 29, 2023, 02:48:04 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ozzjim on August 29, 2023, 11:59:29 AM
We're still 2 short. An attacking and a defensive option. A quick glance at our bench tells you that. Players will return from injury sure, but others will get injured too. As ever with Villa, we are not going the final step to be truly strong enough to compete.

Eh? How can you say, after a window in which we've brought in Tielemens, Torres, Zaniolo and Diaby that we aren't going the final step? That's some serious talent and only two of them starters. We're obviously looking at others (given the comments Emery has made) and are being linked with players the calibre of Ferran Torres, Fati, Felix etc. If the players we want are holding out for Champions League teams, then we have to play the waiting game. I just don't see that as a failure.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on August 29, 2023, 02:53:52 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on August 29, 2023, 02:34:25 PM
Quote from: AV84 on August 29, 2023, 02:07:48 PM
I'm half joking half serious here but...... Cash's finishing looked pretty decent. Do you think if we were absolutely stuck for options he could play a few games up top? I mean, probably if Watkins was out we'd be looking at Diaby or Zaniolo to play as a full striker, but I'd fancy Cash to net a few if they were playing where they do now and he's just floating around the box. 
I remember lots of people thinking ElGhazi could do a job up top if needed.  Until he was needed and then we realised very quickly that he couldn't.

Well said. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on August 29, 2023, 02:59:10 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on August 29, 2023, 02:34:25 PM
Quote from: AV84 on August 29, 2023, 02:07:48 PM
I'm half joking half serious here but...... Cash's finishing looked pretty decent. Do you think if we were absolutely stuck for options he could play a few games up top? I mean, probably if Watkins was out we'd be looking at Diaby or Zaniolo to play as a full striker, but I'd fancy Cash to net a few if they were playing where they do now and he's just floating around the box. 
I remember lots of people thinking ElGhazi could do a job up top if needed.  Until he was needed and then we realised very quickly that he couldn't.

Yep, it rarely works out very well.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: London Villan on August 29, 2023, 03:36:41 PM
			

			

				Did someone like Neil Cox or Scimeca have to play up front for us in one match - or am I making that up?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on August 29, 2023, 03:38:19 PM
			

			

				Scimeca, was a forward in youth football.

It really is rare. Most high-profile recent example must be recovered-fullback Michail Antonio.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Kevin Dawson on August 29, 2023, 03:38:41 PM
			

			

				Scimeca, after Yorke had joined Man Utd.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 29, 2023, 03:42:09 PM
			

			

				Boro and Newcastle at home, we won both, he didn't score. He did score twice that season, and we lost both. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 29, 2023, 03:43:02 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Kevin Dawson on August 29, 2023, 03:38:41 PM
Scimeca, after Yorke had joined Man Utd.

We started really well too.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on August 29, 2023, 03:46:40 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: London Villan on August 29, 2023, 03:36:41 PM
Did someone like Neil Cox or Scimeca have to play up front for us in one match - or am I making that up?

Scimeca start of the 98/99 season. We'd just sold Yorke, and Collymore was out, and it looked to me that Gregory was putting pressure on Ellis. A few days later we bought Merson, and then a couple of months later Dublin.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on August 29, 2023, 03:48:39 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on August 29, 2023, 02:48:04 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 29, 2023, 11:59:29 AM
We're still 2 short. An attacking and a defensive option. A quick glance at our bench tells you that. Players will return from injury sure, but others will get injured too. As ever with Villa, we are not going the final step to be truly strong enough to compete.

Eh? How can you say, after a window in which we've brought in Tielemens, Torres, Zaniolo and Diaby that we aren't going the final step? That's some serious talent and only two of them starters. We're obviously looking at others (given the comments Emery has made) and are being linked with players the calibre of Ferran Torres, Fati, Felix etc. If the players we want are holding out for Champions League teams, then we have to play the waiting game. I just don't see that as a failure.

I get all of that Drummond, and we've got a fantastic manager and a unique opportunity to really back him and kick on. I've lost count of the times we've not done that in my life as a Villa fan from seemingly excellent positions. We've bought in 4 very good players, but in my opinion, with the games we have and the stated ambition of the club, we are currently a couple short squad wise. We've gained 4, lost 2, and sold others that could have plugged a gap. The very fact people are discussing if Matty Cash could play up top should tell you everything about how thin the squad is. Very good quality in it, but it's thin. If we bring a defender and forward in before the deadline, happy days. Right now though, we played 3 at the back at the weekend with our only 3 fit, quality centre backs, we've got 1 premier league ready centre forward, 1 right back and are reliant on Traore and Bailey staying fit. A number of clubs around us have a bit more depth. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on August 29, 2023, 03:51:32 PM
			

			

				I’m not sure I get the not backing him comments. Haven’t we? Emery isn’t going to just spend for the sake of it. Every player he has added is done with thought. We are short on numbers because of the injuries and some kids leaving, but I don’t think what we end up with will be down to him not being backed. He’s said all along that we are looking to add and have certain players move on. The players we’ve bought so far have been brilliant. I want that over quantity. And more to the point if that’s what Emery wants.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 29, 2023, 03:57:43 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Monty on August 29, 2023, 03:38:19 PM
Scimeca, was a forward in youth football.

It really is rare. Most high-profile recent example must be recovered-fullback Michail Antonio.

Didn't Chris Sutton start in defence at Norwich. Paul Warhurst was another that converted and did well.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ger Regan on August 29, 2023, 04:10:09 PM
			

			

				Dion Dublin?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on August 29, 2023, 04:11:24 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ger Regan on August 29, 2023, 04:10:09 PM
Dion Dublin?
Didn't he go the other way?  Started as a striker but made a pretty decent stab at being a central defender later in his career.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on August 29, 2023, 04:12:20 PM
			

			

				Chrissie Samba, get up there and cause mayhem t'fuck. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ger Regan on August 29, 2023, 04:12:21 PM
			

			

				Yep, seems like he went Striker - Defender (briefly) - Striker.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: rob_bridge on August 29, 2023, 04:12:53 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on August 29, 2023, 03:57:43 PM
Quote from: Monty on August 29, 2023, 03:38:19 PM
Scimeca, was a forward in youth football.

It really is rare. Most high-profile recent example must be recovered-fullback Michail Antonio.

Didn't Chris Sutton start in defence at Norwich. Paul Warhurst was another that converted and did well.

Sutton did. Warhurst was emergency as David Hirst injured and then he and Mark Bright clicked. Wasn't lasting mind.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on August 29, 2023, 04:18:47 PM
			

			

				Alan Evans? He started as a forward I think. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on August 29, 2023, 04:19:40 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: algy on August 29, 2023, 04:11:24 PM
Quote from: Ger Regan on August 29, 2023, 04:10:09 PM
Dion Dublin?
Didn't he go the other way?  Started as a striker but made a pretty decent stab at being a central defender later in his career.

One of my favourite things was watching Dion get an ovation for a bit of defending which invariably he had made the mistake to cause the other team to get the chance he subsequently blocked.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on August 29, 2023, 04:25:52 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Monty on August 29, 2023, 03:38:19 PM
Scimeca, was a forward in youth football.

It really is rare. Most high-profile recent example must be recovered-fullback Michail Antonio.

Surely Saka? Left back for 18months before becoming one of the best right wingers in the league. I know it's not exactly the same but if you're counting Antonio...

On topic, I do think some people are being a bit greedy. In our version of a front 2 we have Watkins and 3 players (Duran, Diaby, Zaniolo) who've joined the club in 2023 and yet there's still demands for another striker. I just don't see how we bring another player into that group and don't end up with someone who doesn't play very often. I get that Duran is very raw and that no one really knows if Emery sees Diaby and Zaniolo as a viable pairing but I think we need space for them still. If Coutinho does leave than that presents an opportunity to add another player who can be in the mix there but also for elsewhere in the team and Emery seems to be targeting players who bring that sort of versatility but if that one doesn't happen I think we'll go with what we have in attack and midfield. I wouldn't be shocked if a defender comes in though (maybe on loan).
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on August 29, 2023, 04:29:36 PM
			

			

				Saka made the up-the-wing transitions essentially, something we see much more often. Less extravagantly than Saka, maybe, but it does happen. Antonio went from right back to number 9, which is, like, far out, dude.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: jwarry on August 29, 2023, 04:37:19 PM
			

			

				Romano

Aston Villa and Barcelona in talks over Clement Lenglet deal, as revealed earlier today — negotiations on. 🟣🔵🔛
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on August 29, 2023, 04:39:38 PM
			

			

				Some bloke (I assume a bloke) with a good number of followers is claiming Lenglet is set to leave for the PL

https://x.com/jijantesfc/status/1696484256493560159?s=46

BE will be happy as we become more and more the French national team. Just a new striker from their ranks and we are set.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on August 29, 2023, 04:41:03 PM
			

			

				Fucking ruthless. Cash has one of his best games for us and we go out and sign (it seems, quite possibly) Clement Lenglet. No ruth whatsoever.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on August 29, 2023, 04:49:42 PM
			

			

				What I learned from Marty Cash at the weekend is that not only is bloody good. But he’s one of those players who will do whatever is asked of him by the manager. A super player who is enjoying being part of our success. I think they have all bought into the squad element. They will play a part and they appreciate adding really talented players to meet their collective goals. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on August 29, 2023, 04:54:43 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Monty on August 29, 2023, 04:41:03 PM
Fucking ruthless. Cash has one of his best games for us and we go out and sign (it seems, quite possibly) Clement Lenglet. No ruth whatsoever.

Isn't Langlet a centre back though?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on August 29, 2023, 04:55:25 PM
			

			

				It's not greedy to say the squad is quite thin for a 55+ game season, with 2 players out for the season. Lenglet is a decent signing as cover in defence, allowing Konsa to very much be defecto reserve right back. Hopefully a forward of some description can be found in the coming days to round off the squad a bit, especially if Coutinho leaves. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: UK Redsox on August 29, 2023, 04:58:21 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: algy on August 29, 2023, 04:11:24 PM
Quote from: Ger Regan on August 29, 2023, 04:10:09 PM
Dion Dublin?
Didn't he go the other way?  Started as a striker but made a pretty decent stab at being a central defender later in his career.

Chris Sutton played centre half as well
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on August 29, 2023, 04:58:29 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on August 29, 2023, 04:54:43 PM
Quote from: Monty on August 29, 2023, 04:41:03 PM
Fucking ruthless. Cash has one of his best games for us and we go out and sign (it seems, quite possibly) Clement Lenglet. No ruth whatsoever.

Isn't Langlet a centre back though?

Guess so. Just covers the defence better though dunnit?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on August 29, 2023, 04:59:51 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Monty on August 29, 2023, 04:58:29 PM
Quote from: paul_e on August 29, 2023, 04:54:43 PM
Quote from: Monty on August 29, 2023, 04:41:03 PM
Fucking ruthless. Cash has one of his best games for us and we go out and sign (it seems, quite possibly) Clement Lenglet. No ruth whatsoever.

Isn't Langlet a centre back though?

Guess so. Just covers the defence better though dunnit?

It allows Konsa to be used as prime Hutton essentially, and means Digne and Moreno are going to be essentially crossing machines on the left. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on August 29, 2023, 05:00:16 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ozzjim on August 29, 2023, 04:59:51 PM
Quote from: Monty on August 29, 2023, 04:58:29 PM
Quote from: paul_e on August 29, 2023, 04:54:43 PM
Quote from: Monty on August 29, 2023, 04:41:03 PM
Fucking ruthless. Cash has one of his best games for us and we go out and sign (it seems, quite possibly) Clement Lenglet. No ruth whatsoever.

Isn't Langlet a centre back though?

Guess so. Just covers the defence better though dunnit?

It allows Konsa to be used as prime Hutton essentially, and means Digne and Moreno are going to be essentially crossing machines on the left. 

Exactly.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: jwarry on August 29, 2023, 05:00:43 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Monty on August 29, 2023, 04:58:29 PM
Quote from: paul_e on August 29, 2023, 04:54:43 PM
Quote from: Monty on August 29, 2023, 04:41:03 PM
Fucking ruthless. Cash has one of his best games for us and we go out and sign (it seems, quite possibly) Clement Lenglet. No ruth whatsoever.

Isn't Langlet a centre back though?

Guess so. Just covers the defence better though dunnit?

I don’t think there is any doubt he is to cover Tyrone’s absence 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on August 29, 2023, 05:02:37 PM
			

			

				Yeah, but Cash is a winger/striker now, so buying Lenglet and making Konsa right back has also solved our shortage further forward.

Piece of piss.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on August 29, 2023, 05:03:01 PM
			

			

				For me what the link to Langlet would mean is that Emery doesn't rate Chambers as a centre back.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on August 29, 2023, 05:03:44 PM
			

			

				I would say Konsa's going to play more games at right-back than we might think.

And that Emery doesn't rate Chambers for either right- or centre-back.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on August 29, 2023, 05:06:49 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on August 29, 2023, 05:03:01 PM
For me what the link to Langlet would mean is that Emery doesn't rate Chambers as a centre back.
Chambers was an adequate stop gap and could still provide cover in extreme circumstances or maybe a £15M move to Luton/Bmouth would be good for the lad. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on August 29, 2023, 05:08:38 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: olaftab on August 29, 2023, 05:06:49 PM
Quote from: paul_e on August 29, 2023, 05:03:01 PM
For me what the link to Langlet would mean is that Emery doesn't rate Chambers as a centre back.
Chambers was an adequate stop gap and could still provide cover in extreme circumstances or maybe a £15M move to Luton/Bmouth would be good for the lad.

Might be a bit ambitious with 15m :-) maybe 5/6m??
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on August 29, 2023, 05:09:33 PM
			

			

				Konsa is interesting, a lot of us had him down as limited with the ball but there's signs that he's throwing off the shackles and looking like he fancies himself as a player
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on August 29, 2023, 05:09:59 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ozzjim on August 29, 2023, 04:55:25 PM
It's not greedy to say the squad is quite thin for a 55+ game season, with 2 players out for the season. Lenglet is a decent signing as cover in defence, allowing Konsa to very much be defecto reserve right back. Hopefully a forward of some description can be found in the coming days to round off the squad a bit, especially if Coutinho leaves. 

We've done this before, our squad for Europe is going to be limited to 22 players because we can't fill 3 of the homegrown(club) spots (we can fill in with players like Revan, Kellyman, etc but we don't need to name anyone who's under 21).

Right now we have 21 players who would need to be named in that 22 and we have a clear gap to fill in defence (which may be filled with Langlet) so, without anyone else being sold who are you going to leave out of the European squad to bring in another striker?

I've already said that if anyone leaves they'd need to be replaced so if Coutinho goes he needs replacing but it's still 1in, 1out not increasing the size of the squad.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on August 29, 2023, 05:11:26 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Monty on August 29, 2023, 05:03:44 PM
I would say Konsa's going to play more games at right-back than we might think.

And that Emery doesn't rate Chambers for either right- or centre-back.

Maybe he's considering him as a DM to cover Kamara? Or to bring on as an extra body to finish off games. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on August 29, 2023, 05:12:34 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on August 29, 2023, 05:02:37 PM
Yeah, but Cash is a winger/striker now, so buying Lenglet and making Konsa right back has also solved our shortage further forward.

Piece of piss.

I got the impression that Cash played more forward on Sunday as a bit of masterstroke/unexpected tactic by Emery. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Matt C on August 29, 2023, 05:14:21 PM
			

			

				Lenglet is a left-sided centre half so this is a Mings replacement I’d think. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Hookeysmith on August 29, 2023, 05:15:39 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clampy on August 29, 2023, 05:12:34 PM
Quote from: LeeB on August 29, 2023, 05:02:37 PM
Yeah, but Cash is a winger/striker now, so buying Lenglet and making Konsa right back has also solved our shortage further forward.

Piece of piss.

I got the impression that Cash played more forward on Sunday as a bit of masterstroke/unexpected tactic by Emery. 

i agree - not sure he will be a regular there - especially not against 'The Mighty Reds YNWA'
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on August 29, 2023, 05:16:53 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on August 29, 2023, 05:09:59 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 29, 2023, 04:55:25 PM
It's not greedy to say the squad is quite thin for a 55+ game season, with 2 players out for the season. Lenglet is a decent signing as cover in defence, allowing Konsa to very much be defecto reserve right back. Hopefully a forward of some description can be found in the coming days to round off the squad a bit, especially if Coutinho leaves. 

We've done this before, our squad for Europe is going to be limited to 22 players because we can't fill 3 of the homegrown(club) spots (we can fill in with players like Revan, Kellyman, etc but we don't need to name anyone who's under 21).

Right now we have 21 players who would need to be named in that 22 and we have a clear gap to fill in defence (which may be filled with Langlet) so, without anyone else being sold who are you going to leave out of the European squad to bring in another striker?

I've already said that if anyone leaves they'd need to be replaced so if Coutinho goes he needs replacing but it's still 1in, 1out not increasing the size of the squad.

We have. We also have 3 other competitions. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: jwarry on August 29, 2023, 05:17:33 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on August 29, 2023, 05:09:33 PM
Konsa is interesting, a lot of us had him down as limited with the ball but there's signs that he's throwing off the shackles and looking like he fancies himself as a player

Bit like Ben White 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on August 29, 2023, 05:19:16 PM
			

			

				Emery seems to be focusing on having a lot of our players being capable of playing in 2-3 different positions, either temporarily for moments in games or to start as a bit of a wildcard. Over the season I think we'll see some pretty odd looking line-ups as he brings people in to do a very specific job where he's identified a mismatch he can create. Cash on Sunday felt very much like that because, whilst they were listed as a 442 what was actually happening is their left back was tucked in trying to follow Diaby which put them into more of a 523 and the guy left playing as a wing back had no idea how to handle Cash running in behind him.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on August 29, 2023, 05:20:32 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ozzjim on August 29, 2023, 05:16:53 PM
Quote from: paul_e on August 29, 2023, 05:09:59 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 29, 2023, 04:55:25 PM
It's not greedy to say the squad is quite thin for a 55+ game season, with 2 players out for the season. Lenglet is a decent signing as cover in defence, allowing Konsa to very much be defecto reserve right back. Hopefully a forward of some description can be found in the coming days to round off the squad a bit, especially if Coutinho leaves. 

We've done this before, our squad for Europe is going to be limited to 22 players because we can't fill 3 of the homegrown(club) spots (we can fill in with players like Revan, Kellyman, etc but we don't need to name anyone who's under 21).

Right now we have 21 players who would need to be named in that 22 and we have a clear gap to fill in defence (which may be filled with Langlet) so, without anyone else being sold who are you going to leave out of the European squad to bring in another striker?

I've already said that if anyone leaves they'd need to be replaced so if Coutinho goes he needs replacing but it's still 1in, 1out not increasing the size of the squad.

We have. We also have 3 other competitions. 

That doesn't answer my question, which of our senior players do you take European football away from?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on August 29, 2023, 05:25:53 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on August 29, 2023, 05:19:16 PM
Emery seems to be focusing on having a lot of our players being capable of playing in 2-3 different positions, either temporarily for moments in games or to start as a bit of a wildcard. Over the season I think we'll see some pretty odd looking line-ups as he brings people in to do a very specific job where he's identified a mismatch he can create. Cash on Sunday felt very much like that because, whilst they were listed as a 442 what was actually happening is their left back was tucked in trying to follow Diaby which put them into more of a 523 and the guy left playing as a wing back had no idea how to handle Cash running in behind him.

You've underlined an unexpected extra joy for me from watching us under the Don, the sight of hapless opponents arguing with each other and pointing with fustration at the area from which we've just cut them to pieces.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: jwarry on August 29, 2023, 05:38:19 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on August 29, 2023, 05:25:53 PM
Quote from: paul_e on August 29, 2023, 05:19:16 PM
Emery seems to be focusing on having a lot of our players being capable of playing in 2-3 different positions, either temporarily for moments in games or to start as a bit of a wildcard. Over the season I think we'll see some pretty odd looking line-ups as he brings people in to do a very specific job where he's identified a mismatch he can create. Cash on Sunday felt very much like that because, whilst they were listed as a 442 what was actually happening is their left back was tucked in trying to follow Diaby which put them into more of a 523 and the guy left playing as a wing back had no idea how to handle Cash running in behind him.

You've underlined an unexpected extra joy for me from watching us under the Don, the sight of hapless opponents arguing with each other and pointing with fustration at the area from which we've just cut them to pieces.

You see it’s now a game of fine margins and you need an edge.  You can no longer keep playing the same team every week just because you won a game, you have to keep the opponent guessing and Emery is the master.  Having said that De Zerbi is doing something different again and all teams are struggling to work him out because his players are not necessarily better than others 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 29, 2023, 05:48:46 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on August 29, 2023, 05:20:32 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 29, 2023, 05:16:53 PM
Quote from: paul_e on August 29, 2023, 05:09:59 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 29, 2023, 04:55:25 PM
It's not greedy to say the squad is quite thin for a 55+ game season, with 2 players out for the season. Lenglet is a decent signing as cover in defence, allowing Konsa to very much be defecto reserve right back. Hopefully a forward of some description can be found in the coming days to round off the squad a bit, especially if Coutinho leaves. 

We've done this before, our squad for Europe is going to be limited to 22 players because we can't fill 3 of the homegrown(club) spots (we can fill in with players like Revan, Kellyman, etc but we don't need to name anyone who's under 21).

Right now we have 21 players who would need to be named in that 22 and we have a clear gap to fill in defence (which may be filled with Langlet) so, without anyone else being sold who are you going to leave out of the European squad to bring in another striker?

I've already said that if anyone leaves they'd need to be replaced so if Coutinho goes he needs replacing but it's still 1in, 1out not increasing the size of the squad.

We have. We also have 3 other competitions. 

That doesn't answer my question, which of our senior players do you take European football away from?

Mings and Buendia as they wont be available (assuming they were in the list). After that then Chambers if we bring in a defender, Traore if we bring in a winger, and Duran if we bring in a striker.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on August 29, 2023, 06:06:04 PM
			

			

				also as good as Diego has looked early he's been thrown into due to Mings' injury. He's coming off a year out himself. Great to have international level players coming in to provide incredible depth at that position.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 29, 2023, 06:10:57 PM
			

			

				I guess Lenglet increasing the CB pool makes Konsa being used at right back more doable. So this will be the answer to “we need another right back”, which makes sense. 

On top of that I’d like to see another option up front and maybe a “didn’t see that coming”’ style signing of a creative player and then that’s that. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 29, 2023, 06:12:14 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on August 29, 2023, 05:48:46 PM
Quote from: paul_e on August 29, 2023, 05:20:32 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 29, 2023, 05:16:53 PM
Quote from: paul_e on August 29, 2023, 05:09:59 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 29, 2023, 04:55:25 PM
It's not greedy to say the squad is quite thin for a 55+ game season, with 2 players out for the season. Lenglet is a decent signing as cover in defence, allowing Konsa to very much be defecto reserve right back. Hopefully a forward of some description can be found in the coming days to round off the squad a bit, especially if Coutinho leaves. 

We've done this before, our squad for Europe is going to be limited to 22 players because we can't fill 3 of the homegrown(club) spots (we can fill in with players like Revan, Kellyman, etc but we don't need to name anyone who's under 21).

Right now we have 21 players who would need to be named in that 22 and we have a clear gap to fill in defence (which may be filled with Langlet) so, without anyone else being sold who are you going to leave out of the European squad to bring in another striker?

I've already said that if anyone leaves they'd need to be replaced so if Coutinho goes he needs replacing but it's still 1in, 1out not increasing the size of the squad.

We have. We also have 3 other competitions. 

That doesn't answer my question, which of our senior players do you take European football away from?

Mings and Buendia as they wont be available (assuming they were in the list). After that then Chambers if we bring in a defender, Traore if we bring in a winger, and Duran if we bring in a striker.

Yes, Chambers on the list would be pretty much inconceivable. I agree with you on the others too. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 29, 2023, 06:15:17 PM
			

			

				Nuno Tavares has just signed for Forest. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Astral Weeks on August 29, 2023, 06:29:54 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 29, 2023, 06:15:17 PM
Nuno Tavares has just signed for Forest.
Well, it only takes a minute.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Olneythelonely on August 29, 2023, 06:32:36 PM
			

			

				Thought we were in for him. Was that just an illusion? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 29, 2023, 06:36:32 PM
			

			

				I do wonder are we actually interested in some of the players we're linked with or are we, or more precisely Emery, at a level where a players value increases just by association with us. "Oh Villa are interested in this guy, you'll have to give us 5 million extra and quickly or he'll be off to Birmingham" kind of thing.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Goldenballs on August 29, 2023, 06:37:44 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: jwarry on August 29, 2023, 04:37:19 PM
Romano

Aston Villa and Barcelona in talks over Clement Lenglet deal, as revealed earlier today — negotiations on. 🟣🔵🔛

https://twitter.com/KeslerSZN/status/1696499397205401954?t=1X3StYTAjLYqrm4ztgZYzw&s=19

He can pass the ball fairly well. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SamTheMouse on August 29, 2023, 06:39:10 PM
			

			

				Emery does like his centre halves to be cultured, doesn't he? If they can defend, well that's a bonus.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 29, 2023, 06:44:45 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: SamTheMouse on August 29, 2023, 06:39:10 PM
Emery does like his centre halves to be cultured, doesn't he? If they can defend, well that's a bonus.

It's ok, where we're going, we're not going to be doing much defending.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on August 29, 2023, 07:03:03 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 29, 2023, 06:44:45 PM
Quote from: SamTheMouse on August 29, 2023, 06:39:10 PM
Emery does like his centre halves to be cultured, doesn't he? If they can defend, well that's a bonus.

It's ok, where we're going, we're not going to be doing much defending.
If you're defending, you've lost already. We don't let our opponents get a sniff of the ball these days :D
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on August 29, 2023, 07:08:44 PM
			

			

				Lenglet is a decent player, was just caught up in the mess that was Spurs at the time.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: usav on August 29, 2023, 07:10:21 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 29, 2023, 06:44:45 PM
Quote from: SamTheMouse on August 29, 2023, 06:39:10 PM
Emery does like his centre halves to be cultured, doesn't he? If they can defend, well that's a bonus.

It's ok, where we're going, we're not going to be doing much defending.

Exactly, look at Citeh's defence, nothing to write home about.

Similar topic, I saw Eddison on a list of top 5 premier league goalies of all time.  How would anyone know?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 29, 2023, 07:18:41 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: usav on August 29, 2023, 07:10:21 PM
Similar topic, I saw Eddison on a list of top 5 premier league goalies of all time.  How would anyone know?

He'd be higher up my list of top inventors.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 29, 2023, 07:22:47 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on August 29, 2023, 07:18:41 PM
Quote from: usav on August 29, 2023, 07:10:21 PM
Similar topic, I saw Eddison on a list of top 5 premier league goalies of all time.  How would anyone know?

He'd be higher up my list of top inventors.

Definitely near the top of the list of best songs from Bob's Burgers 


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john2710 on August 29, 2023, 07:29:03 PM
			

			

				I don't know if Lenglet was at Seville whilst Emery was there or just after. But he is probably well known to Monchi. He's not a replacement for Ming's, as that's a big ask, but would be a useful backup.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: trinityoap on August 29, 2023, 07:30:48 PM
			

			

				Can he play in goal?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: curiousorange on August 29, 2023, 07:32:46 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: usav on August 29, 2023, 07:10:21 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 29, 2023, 06:44:45 PM
Quote from: SamTheMouse on August 29, 2023, 06:39:10 PM
Emery does like his centre halves to be cultured, doesn't he? If they can defend, well that's a bonus.

It's ok, where we're going, we're not going to be doing much defending.

Exactly, look at Citeh's defence, nothing to write home about.

Similar topic, I saw Eddison on a list of top 5 premier league goalies of all time.  How would anyone know?

It beams out of him like a lighthouse.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: jwarry on August 29, 2023, 07:37:44 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 29, 2023, 06:36:32 PM
I do wonder are we actually interested in some of the players we're linked with or are we, or more precisely Emery, at a level where a players value increases just by association with us. "Oh Villa are interested in this guy, you'll have to give us 5 million extra and quickly or he'll be off to Birmingham" kind of thing.

Suspect he might have been on the just in case list but that’s about all
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on August 29, 2023, 07:48:14 PM
			

			

				Think about it chaps. We could be buying Cucurella
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 29, 2023, 08:03:52 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 29, 2023, 06:15:17 PM
Nuno Tavares has just signed for Forest. 

I bet the Villa atheists are feeling very silly now.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on August 29, 2023, 08:14:38 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: jwarry on August 29, 2023, 12:54:35 PM
Romano 
EXCL: Aston Villa weighing up a move for Clement Lenglet as option on the table for the final days of the window 🟣🔵

There are multiple options available but Barcelona aware of Aston Villa interest, waiting for developments.

In any case, Barça feel sure that CL will leave.



Can’t say I know enough about him but I can’t remember him pulling up any trees at Spudz

He's shite....think we are ok at LCB with Torres and Carlos anyway. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on August 29, 2023, 08:29:58 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 29, 2023, 06:36:32 PM
I do wonder are we actually interested in some of the players we're linked with or are we, or more precisely Emery, at a level where a players value increases just by association with us. "Oh Villa are interested in this guy, you'll have to give us 5 million extra and quickly or he'll be off to Birmingham" kind of thing.

Of course we aren’t, if 10% of links are true I’d be surprised…agents trying to get cuts of fees, journos making up rubbish and that’s before the keyboard attention seeking muppets on twatter etc.  Surprised we haven’t been used more to generate interest in players this summer, though I guess it’s all been Saudi this and Saudi that.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on August 29, 2023, 08:55:40 PM
			

			

				Would be interesting to know whether any move for Lenglet would be as a permanent deal or as a loan with an option to buy. The latter would be perfect to cover us while Mings is out but I did read earlier that we've gazumped Sevilla by offering a permanent deal as Sevilla want a loan deal. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on August 29, 2023, 09:01:27 PM
			

			

				Wasn't this guy, Lenglet at Spurs? And if so, he was crap. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on August 29, 2023, 09:16:29 PM
			

			

				Sevilla must fucking hate us. Villareal too. And all the other Villas, they're just bad cover versions.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on August 29, 2023, 09:24:07 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: olaftab on August 29, 2023, 09:01:27 PM
Wasn't this guy, Lenglet at Spurs? And if so, he was crap. 

Spurs tend to make even good players look crap. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on August 29, 2023, 09:26:34 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on August 29, 2023, 09:16:29 PM
Sevilla must fucking hate us. Villareal too. And all the other Villas, they're just bad cover versions.
They're basically like those tribute bands ... Faux Fighters, Nearvana, Pink Fraud etc.  Some of them might get pretty good, say the Bootleg Beatles, but at the end of the day they'd not be at the races if the real ones were on tour ... which we are now, around Europe :)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on August 29, 2023, 09:28:35 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: olaftab on August 29, 2023, 09:01:27 PM
Wasn't this guy, Lenglet at Spurs? And if so, he was crap.

Let’s write him off then :-)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on August 29, 2023, 09:44:02 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on August 29, 2023, 09:24:07 PM
Quote from: olaftab on August 29, 2023, 09:01:27 PM
Wasn't this guy, Lenglet at Spurs? And if so, he was crap. 

Spurs tend to make even good players look crap. 

I watched the eye bleedingly awful Transfer Show yesterday on a slow news day for Sky Sports and they showed us some of the absolute tripe that Tottenham had purchased for crazy money.  None of the players were purchased for below 25mill and they are sitting in the reserves or on the bench.  Hojberg was about the cheapest of them.  Truly wank players. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 29, 2023, 10:04:28 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on August 29, 2023, 09:24:07 PM
Quote from: olaftab on August 29, 2023, 09:01:27 PM
Wasn't this guy, Lenglet at Spurs? And if so, he was crap. 

Spurs tend to make even good players look crap. 

The spurs fans I know - too many sadly - rated Lenglet and wanted to sign him permanently.  They were/are too skint, plus the changes of manger I suppose.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on August 29, 2023, 10:16:21 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 29, 2023, 10:04:28 PM
Quote from: OCD on August 29, 2023, 09:24:07 PM
Quote from: olaftab on August 29, 2023, 09:01:27 PM
Wasn't this guy, Lenglet at Spurs? And if so, he was crap. 

Spurs tend to make even good players look crap. 

The spurs fans I know - too many sadly - rated Lenglet and wanted to sign him permanently.  They were/are too skint, plus the changes of manger I suppose.

Those damn Bethlehem inns and their extortionate bedding charges!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 29, 2023, 10:39:43 PM
			

			

				FFS I’ve done it again.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 29, 2023, 10:43:43 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 29, 2023, 10:39:43 PM
FFS I’ve done it again.

Britney Spears, post-watershed mix.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on August 30, 2023, 12:14:56 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on August 29, 2023, 05:09:33 PM
Konsa is interesting, a lot of us had him down as limited with the ball but there's signs that he's throwing off the shackles and looking like he fancies himself as a player

We aren't a particularly big side, so having Konsa at RB and Carlos at CB helps to add height to the side.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dick Edwards on August 30, 2023, 08:05:17 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 29, 2023, 10:43:43 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 29, 2023, 10:39:43 PM
FFS I’ve done it again.

Britney Spears, post-watershed mix.

Applause
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: aldridgeboy on August 30, 2023, 12:02:33 PM
			

			

				Just listening on the radio , and Palace have bought a new keeper. Which might free Sam Johnstone  up? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 30, 2023, 12:06:40 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: aldridgeboy on August 30, 2023, 12:02:33 PM
Just listening on the radio , and Palace have bought a new keeper. Which might free Sam Johnstone  up?

Is that not because their other keeper is refusing to play for them after being replaced as #1 by Johnstone when Woy took over? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: danno on August 30, 2023, 12:07:39 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: aldridgeboy on August 30, 2023, 12:02:33 PM
Just listening on the radio , and Palace have bought a new keeper. Which might free Sam Johnstone  up?

Guaita ( I can’t spell) is more likely.
He’s fallen out with them I think.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on August 30, 2023, 12:20:43 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 29, 2023, 10:04:28 PM
Quote from: OCD on August 29, 2023, 09:24:07 PM
Quote from: olaftab on August 29, 2023, 09:01:27 PM
Wasn't this guy, Lenglet at Spurs? And if so, he was crap. 

Spurs tend to make even good players look crap. 

The spurs fans I know - too many sadly - rated Lenglet and wanted to sign him permanently.  They were/are too skint, plus the changes of manger I suppose.

Supposedly they could have had him for £8m. Peanuts when you've just sold Kane for £100m. They chose to buy that van de Ven instead. 

As an aside, Sky using the term 'Ange Ball' as if the way Spurs are playing is a new invention is nauseating. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on August 30, 2023, 12:21:51 PM
			

			

				Has that Footy chap started working at Sky?

Quote from: olaftab on August 29, 2023, 09:01:27 PM
Wasn't this guy, Lenglet at Spurs? And if so, he was crap.

One of my Spurs supporting mates said he was bang average at best...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on August 30, 2023, 12:32:53 PM
			

			

				If we judged players at other clubs while the club struggled then pretty much every one of our players inherited by Emery would have been released on a free based on our opinions of them.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on August 30, 2023, 12:35:27 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pablo_picasso on August 30, 2023, 12:21:51 PM
Has that Footy chap started working at Sky?

Quote from: olaftab on August 29, 2023, 09:01:27 PM
Wasn't this guy, Lenglet at Spurs? And if so, he was crap.

One of my Spurs supporting mates said he was bang average at best...

I recall, a while ago, we signed a journeyman centre forward.  He was also crap, played for Birmingham too.  Peter something, can't remember the rest. 

Not a pop at you Pablo.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on August 30, 2023, 01:02:45 PM
			

			

				Its all good chap. 

My response to my mate was that not every squad / backup player has to be a world beater...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on August 30, 2023, 01:26:56 PM
			

			

				Is Lenglet really on €200,000+/week at Barca?!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on August 30, 2023, 01:31:58 PM
			

			

				We ain't getting any more forwards are we.

Personally think this is a mistake. If Watkins gets injured we have nobody. He can't keep playing 40+ games a season every year. We've been lucky so far. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on August 30, 2023, 01:51:11 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on August 30, 2023, 01:31:58 PM
We ain't getting any more forwards are we.

Personally think this is a mistake. If Watkins gets injured we have nobody. He can't keep playing 40+ games a season every year. We've been lucky so far.

Why aren't we?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Chris_Jephcott on August 30, 2023, 01:56:12 PM
			

			

				Lenglet done
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on August 30, 2023, 01:58:10 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Chris_Jephcott on August 30, 2023, 01:56:12 PM
Lenglet done

Looks like a loan with an option to buy?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: sid1964 on August 30, 2023, 02:04:25 PM
			

			

				Surprised we have signed another centre half - i doubt he has come here to sit on the bench 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Stinkin_Thinkin on August 30, 2023, 02:08:59 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on August 30, 2023, 12:35:27 PM


I recall, a while ago, we signed a journeyman centre forward.  He was also crap, played for Birmingham too.  Peter something, can't remember the rest. 



I think we could do with a chris sutton type signing, some cover for Watkins without threatening his position as the main man (we know from ings he doesn't like competition for a shirt) an old veteran who's happy to to come in for the odd 5 mins here and there. Vardy Wellbeck Schurrle
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Richard on August 30, 2023, 02:09:36 PM
			

			

				We are covered now at the back and in midfield. Just one more forward please.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on August 30, 2023, 02:09:44 PM
			

			

				We've got 3 fit centre backs in Konsa, Carlos and Pau with Chambers as a utility player. If we're going to be playing Konsa at right back or playing out with a back 3, we need cover. And with Lenglet being a left footed centre-back, a season long loan with an option to buy, makes sense to cover while Mings is out. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: garyellis on August 30, 2023, 02:16:01 PM
			

			

				Moans "we are short at the back given Mings injury" 
Solution sign an international with Premier League experience from Barcelona on loan 
Moans "why have we signed him?"
More moans "we wont be signing a striker and its a mistake"
Today is 30 August not 1 September lets see what happens next
I appreciate this new Villa stuff takes a bit of keeping up with but sit back and enjoy the ride
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: murgsy on August 30, 2023, 02:29:50 PM
			

			

				Spot on

Tbf, anyone playing at Spurzzz next to the likes of Dier and Sanchez would have been labelled as average.

I think this is a great loan signing


Quote from: garyellis on August 30, 2023, 02:16:01 PM
Moans "we are short at the back given Mings injury" 
Solution sign an international with Premier League experience from Barcelona on loan 
Moans "why have we signed him?"
More moans "we wont be signing a striker and its a mistake"
Today is 30 August not 1 September lets see what happens next
I appreciate this new Villa stuff takes a bit of keeping up with but sit back and enjoy the ride

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on August 30, 2023, 02:30:11 PM
			

			

				Out
Archer
Ramsey A
Nakamba
Young
Wesley
Sanson
Steer


In
Torres
Diaby
Tielemans
Zaniolo
Lenglets

What a shit summer eh?!


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on August 30, 2023, 02:30:27 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: garyellis on August 30, 2023, 02:16:01 PM
Moans "we are short at the back given Mings injury" 
Solution sign an international with Premier League experience from Barcelona on loan 
Moans "why have we signed him?"
More moans "we wont be signing a striker and its a mistake"
Today is 30 August not 1 September lets see what happens next
I appreciate this new Villa stuff takes a bit of keeping up with but sit back and enjoy the ride

Exactly!

I still think a forward will arrive…probs on loan.

We also have Coutinho who was being linked with Qatar whose window doesn’t shut to 18th Sept who will poss go
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on August 30, 2023, 02:34:30 PM
			

			

				Lenglet and Zaniolo would make up our quota of allowed loan signings. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 30, 2023, 02:40:12 PM
			

			

				Feels like we were linked with enough Barca players that one would eventually stick. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bully2345 on August 30, 2023, 02:45:53 PM
			

			

				Isn't the two loan limit for domestic loans? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on August 30, 2023, 02:46:00 PM
			

			

				Not another player who isn't Spanish or American!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on August 30, 2023, 02:47:04 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on August 30, 2023, 02:30:11 PM
Out
Archer
Ramsey A
Nakamba
Young
Wesley
Sanson
Steer


In
Torres
Diaby
Tielemans
Zaniolo
Lenglets

What a shit summer eh?!

By Christ when you put it that way...I mean, it's a shame about the youngsters, but in terms of established senior players it looks like a genuine arrival into the big time.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on August 30, 2023, 02:47:29 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on August 30, 2023, 01:51:11 PM
Quote from: Smirker on August 30, 2023, 01:31:58 PM
We ain't getting any more forwards are we.

Personally think this is a mistake. If Watkins gets injured we have nobody. He can't keep playing 40+ games a season every year. We've been lucky so far.

Why aren't we?

Just a hunch. No links either. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on August 30, 2023, 03:11:25 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on August 30, 2023, 02:30:11 PM
Out
Archer
Ramsey A
Nakamba
Young
Wesley
Sanson
Steer


In
Torres
Diaby
Tielemans
Zaniolo
Lenglets

What a shit summer eh?!



No Americans and only 1 Spaniard, what are Heck and Monchi doing?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on August 30, 2023, 03:11:48 PM
			

			

				Lenglet makes total sense with Mings being out, good cover and can play how Emery wants too from the back. He was very highly rated pre Barca too, so let's see how it goes.

A forward to finish off the window would be excellent, and give the depth we need. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on August 30, 2023, 03:13:56 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on August 30, 2023, 02:46:00 PM
Not another player who isn't Spanish or American!

Damnit, you got there before me.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: danno on August 30, 2023, 03:18:11 PM
			

			

				He really is always here in spirit.
#insight
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Mister E on August 30, 2023, 03:20:58 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: danno on August 30, 2023, 03:18:11 PM
He really is always here in spirit.
#insight
Hehe.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on August 30, 2023, 03:21:10 PM
			

			

				Anyway, once this one gets confirmed I think that's us done unless Coutinho leaves and I suspect the hold-up on that is us waiting for the player we want as a replacement, Qatari window closes on the 18th so no rush from their side right now.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: jwarry on August 30, 2023, 03:25:21 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on August 30, 2023, 03:21:10 PM
Anyway, once this one gets confirmed I think that's us done unless Coutinho leaves and I suspect the hold-up on that is us waiting for the player we want as a replacement, Qatari window closes on the 18th so no rush from their side right now.

Yes and it has to be Felix or Fati doesn’t it?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on August 30, 2023, 03:26:47 PM
			

			

				If Villa want A Fati to play for them I could do it. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Olneythelonely on August 30, 2023, 03:27:03 PM
			

			

				The two things cats are called the most 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john2710 on August 30, 2023, 03:30:11 PM
			

			

				With the loss of Ming's, we are clearly short of bodies at the back. Given that neither Torres or Carlos have much Premier League experience, Lenglet makes complete sense. 

That's our 2 loan allowance filled. I suspect we've finished our business.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on August 30, 2023, 03:31:10 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: jwarry on August 30, 2023, 03:25:21 PM
Quote from: paul_e on August 30, 2023, 03:21:10 PM
Anyway, once this one gets confirmed I think that's us done unless Coutinho leaves and I suspect the hold-up on that is us waiting for the player we want as a replacement, Qatari window closes on the 18th so no rush from their side right now.

Yes and it has to be Felix or Fati doesn’t it?

Yep, I think those 2 are most likely, with Torres and Chiesa the only other names that have been linked that could be options.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: trinityoap on August 30, 2023, 03:55:25 PM
			

			

				Olsen still scares the shit out of me.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on August 30, 2023, 03:59:48 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Olneythelonely on August 30, 2023, 03:27:03 PM
The two things cats are called the most
Underappreciated post.  ;D
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: cdward on August 30, 2023, 04:03:04 PM
			

			

				Fati linked with Spurs and Chelsea. 
Maybe he wants to head to London, so we should double our efforts to tell him to look at our great second city instead, hey Fati Brum, Brum.
 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Olneythelonely on August 30, 2023, 04:12:23 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: algy on August 30, 2023, 03:59:48 PM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on August 30, 2023, 03:27:03 PM
The two things cats are called the most
Underappreciated post.  ;D

I thought so. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 30, 2023, 04:17:11 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: john2710 on August 30, 2023, 03:30:11 PM

That's our 2 loan allowance filled. I suspect we've finished our business.

I still reckon a striker of some sort will come in. Probably nowt else though.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Holy Trinity on August 30, 2023, 04:19:32 PM
			

			

				I want to sign Ansu Fati for the potential chants.

To the tune of lip up fatty 

Skin them Fati
Skin them Fati 
Fati Skin them

Score one Fati 
Score one Fati
Fati Score one

The potential was endless. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on August 30, 2023, 04:42:56 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Olneythelonely on August 30, 2023, 04:12:23 PM
Quote from: algy on August 30, 2023, 03:59:48 PM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on August 30, 2023, 03:27:03 PM
The two things cats are called the most
Underappreciated post.  ;D

I thought so. 

We needed a defender and a forward to be covered. Defender is in, if we can get a forward that can take some of the minutes out of Diaby we're well set. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: lovejoy on August 30, 2023, 05:14:01 PM
			

			

				No matter who we sign there's always a post asking for one more.

I know Mbappe and Messi have arrived but I feel we could do with one more forward Haarland perhaps?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: UK Redsox on August 30, 2023, 05:16:38 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: lovejoy on August 30, 2023, 05:14:01 PM
No matter who we sign there's always a post asking for one more.

I know Mbappe and Messi have arrived but I feel we could do with one more forward Haarland perhaps?

It would be back to the days of Clark/Clarke ;)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on August 30, 2023, 05:19:47 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: jwarry on August 30, 2023, 03:25:21 PM
Quote from: paul_e on August 30, 2023, 03:21:10 PM
Anyway, once this one gets confirmed I think that's us done unless Coutinho leaves and I suspect the hold-up on that is us waiting for the player we want as a replacement, Qatari window closes on the 18th so no rush from their side right now.

Yes and it has to be Felix or Fati doesn’t it?

You're the one for me, Fati. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on August 30, 2023, 05:20:39 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: lovejoy on August 30, 2023, 05:14:01 PM
No matter who we sign there's always a post asking for one more.

I know Mbappe and Messi have arrived but I feel we could do with one more forward Haarland perhaps?

Still no direct cover for Watkins, which I guess is what a lot of people want to see.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on August 30, 2023, 05:44:11 PM
			

			

				Certainly no new cover but sure Emery would argue Duran is that player.  It’s a big ask if Ollie is out for a prolonged spell though.

Same I guess of Olsen if Emi is out.

Suppose technically Keinan hasn’t left yet :-)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on August 30, 2023, 05:54:28 PM
			

			

				I'm not sure Emery would argue that. He clearly isn't anyway, his first touch often goes further than I can kick it!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 30, 2023, 06:08:44 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on August 30, 2023, 05:20:39 PM
Quote from: lovejoy on August 30, 2023, 05:14:01 PM
No matter who we sign there's always a post asking for one more.

I know Mbappe and Messi have arrived but I feel we could do with one more forward Haarland perhaps?

Still no direct cover for Watkins, which I guess is what a lot of people want to see.

Top of the list at the beginning of summer. Maybe Watkins is holding out signing a new contract until we've got rid of all our strikers. ;)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on August 30, 2023, 06:10:44 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on August 30, 2023, 05:54:28 PM
I'm not sure Emery would argue that. He clearly isn't anyway, his first touch often goes further than I can kick it!

Its like a trampoline at times...

He is still young though & has the ingredients to become half decent.

I wouldn't want to have to rely on him as the main goalscorer though.

But I imagine Zaniolo would move up front if Watkins was out...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on August 30, 2023, 06:11:07 PM
			

			

				Guendozi joining Lazio for €1m season loan with option to sign for €12m permanent. 

Spurs in for Fati. 

Barcelona trying to sign Felix while still making FFP work. 

Cole Palmer going to Chelsea for £45m. Shows how much money can be made from youth development if you can nail it. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: London Villan on August 30, 2023, 06:17:58 PM
			

			

				With no European football will spurs be attractive? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on August 30, 2023, 06:22:26 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: lovejoy on August 30, 2023, 05:14:01 PM
No matter who we sign there's always a post asking for one more.

I know Mbappe and Messi have arrived but I feel we could do with one more forward Haarland perhaps?

We genuinely do need a striker though. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 30, 2023, 06:28:25 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on August 30, 2023, 05:54:28 PM
I'm not sure Emery would argue that. He clearly isn't anyway, his first touch often goes further than I can kick it!

That makes him the perfect understudy. Watkins has the same first touch (some of the time)!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 30, 2023, 06:35:22 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on August 30, 2023, 06:28:25 PM
Quote from: Risso on August 30, 2023, 05:54:28 PM
I'm not sure Emery would argue that. He clearly isn't anyway, his first touch often goes further than I can kick it!

That makes him the perfect understudy. Watkins has the same first touch (some of the time)!

Maybe that's why we haven't signed a new striker this window, Unai could only find players that can control a ball.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ian. on August 30, 2023, 06:51:41 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 30, 2023, 06:35:22 PM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on August 30, 2023, 06:28:25 PM
Quote from: Risso on August 30, 2023, 05:54:28 PM
I'm not sure Emery would argue that. He clearly isn't anyway, his first touch often goes further than I can kick it!

That makes him the perfect understudy. Watkins has the same first touch (some of the time)!

Maybe that's why we haven't signed a new striker this window, Unai could only find players that can control a ball.

I quite like the element of surprise it brings. It certainly worked at the weekend with that deft touch off his knee before the excellent cross to Cash.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 30, 2023, 06:53:12 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ian. on August 30, 2023, 06:51:41 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 30, 2023, 06:35:22 PM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on August 30, 2023, 06:28:25 PM
Quote from: Risso on August 30, 2023, 05:54:28 PM
I'm not sure Emery would argue that. He clearly isn't anyway, his first touch often goes further than I can kick it!

That makes him the perfect understudy. Watkins has the same first touch (some of the time)!

Maybe that's why we haven't signed a new striker this window, Unai could only find players that can control a ball.

I quite like the element of surprise it brings. It certainly worked at the weekend with that deft touch off his knee before the excellent cross to Cash.

Impossible for defenders to read *taps temple
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on August 30, 2023, 07:15:40 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: London Villan on August 30, 2023, 06:17:58 PM
With no European football will spurs be attractive?
I'd imagine it'll be similar to Chelsea. They've played in Europe practically every season for the past couple of decades, and are based in London. They're not going to struggle to attract players, cos the uninformed neutral will take a look at last season's League table and figure it's unlikely that both us and Brighton are going to finish in the top 7 again. I'd guess most neutrals would put the top 8 as Manc City, Manc Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal, Newcastle, Us, Spurs, Chelsea - with the first 3 in the Champions League, and the others fighting it out over the remaining 4 places. And I'd also guess a substatial number of neutrals would have us as the ones missing out on Europe, cos to be fair evidence from the past couple of decades would point to that.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 30, 2023, 08:21:43 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ian. on August 30, 2023, 06:51:41 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 30, 2023, 06:35:22 PM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on August 30, 2023, 06:28:25 PM
Quote from: Risso on August 30, 2023, 05:54:28 PM
I'm not sure Emery would argue that. He clearly isn't anyway, his first touch often goes further than I can kick it!

That makes him the perfect understudy. Watkins has the same first touch (some of the time)!

Maybe that's why we haven't signed a new striker this window, Unai could only find players that can control a ball.

I quite like the element of surprise it brings. It certainly worked at the weekend with that deft touch off his knee before the excellent cross to Cash.

As long as you're not suggesting the re-signing of Rudi Gestede.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: garyellis on August 30, 2023, 08:22:42 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on August 30, 2023, 02:30:11 PM
Out
Archer
Ramsey A
Nakamba
Young
Wesley
Sanson
Steer


In
Torres
Diaby
Tielemans
Zaniolo
Lenglets

What a shit summer eh?!


For those fretting about net transfer spend how much do we calculate this has added to the wage bill per annum?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on August 30, 2023, 09:38:13 PM
			

			

				We need to add Azaz, Hayden, Bidace and Davis to the out list. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on August 30, 2023, 09:50:57 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on August 30, 2023, 09:38:13 PM
We need to add Azaz, Hayden, Bidace and Davis to the out list. 

Davis hasn't gone yet, Azaz and KKH are only on loan. Philogene is a fair call though (but it's the bidace bit he is supposed to have dropped from his name).
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on August 30, 2023, 10:04:42 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on August 30, 2023, 09:50:57 PM
Quote from: Steve67 on August 30, 2023, 09:38:13 PM
We need to add Azaz, Hayden, Bidace and Davis to the out list. 

Davis hasn't gone yet, Azaz and KKH are only on loan. Philogene is a fair call though (but it's the bidace bit he is supposed to have dropped from his name).

Add salaries being paid elsewhere and loan fees to the income/savings.  Bidace and Davis aren't staying and will be gone by Friday evening. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 30, 2023, 10:21:07 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on August 30, 2023, 09:50:57 PM
Quote from: Steve67 on August 30, 2023, 09:38:13 PM
We need to add Azaz, Hayden, Bidace and Davis to the out list. 

Davis hasn't gone yet, Azaz and KKH are only on loan. Philogene is a fair call though (but it's the bidace bit he is supposed to have dropped from his name).

Azaz seems to have been permanently on loan. 

Genuine question, I wonder if he’s even actually been to BMH. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on August 30, 2023, 10:21:21 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on August 30, 2023, 10:04:42 PM
Quote from: paul_e on August 30, 2023, 09:50:57 PM
Quote from: Steve67 on August 30, 2023, 09:38:13 PM
We need to add Azaz, Hayden, Bidace and Davis to the out list. 

Davis hasn't gone yet, Azaz and KKH are only on loan. Philogene is a fair call though (but it's the bidace bit he is supposed to have dropped from his name).

Add salaries being paid elsewhere and loan fees to the income/savings.  Bidace and Davis aren't staying and will be gone by Friday evening. 

Well if we're including loans we should add Sinisalo, Bogarde and Barry, I doubt we're getting much wage contribution for any of them (or azaz and KKH). I agree that Davis probably will go and I thought Phiolgene had already left, Hause might go as well.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 30, 2023, 10:25:16 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: lovejoy on August 30, 2023, 05:14:01 PM
No matter who we sign there's always a post asking for one more.

I know Mbappe and Messi have arrived but I feel we could do with one more forward Haarland perhaps?

That’s nonsense though. 

Dismissing an idea by presenting the most absurd, extreme hypothesis. 

Like there aren’t players who we could use, and could sign, who would improve us. 

“We could use a better second choice keeper “

“OMG yeah maybe we should sign Donnaruma. Or Lev Yashin “
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on August 30, 2023, 10:38:30 PM
			

			

				You only have to look at Wolves to see how difficult it is if you lose your striker without backup. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on August 30, 2023, 10:39:36 PM
			

			

				Fati is off to Brighton 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on August 30, 2023, 10:40:02 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on August 30, 2023, 10:21:21 PM
Quote from: Steve67 on August 30, 2023, 10:04:42 PM
Quote from: paul_e on August 30, 2023, 09:50:57 PM
Quote from: Steve67 on August 30, 2023, 09:38:13 PM
We need to add Azaz, Hayden, Bidace and Davis to the out list. 

Davis hasn't gone yet, Azaz and KKH are only on loan. Philogene is a fair call though (but it's the bidace bit he is supposed to have dropped from his name).

Add salaries being paid elsewhere and loan fees to the income/savings.  Bidace and Davis aren't staying and will be gone by Friday evening. 

Well if we're including loans we should add Sinisalo, Bogarde and Barry, I doubt we're getting much wage contribution for any of them (or azaz and KKH). I agree that Davis probably will go and I thought Phiolgene had already left, Hause might go as well.

Blimey, I forgot about Hause. Those clubs will also be picking up some of the salary too I suspect, not a great deal but it all counts. Davis being linked to Udinese!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on August 30, 2023, 10:40:41 PM
			

			

				After Lenglet, are we done or are we thinking we are still on the look out?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on August 30, 2023, 10:43:26 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Marlon From Bearwood on August 30, 2023, 10:39:36 PM
Fati is off to Brighton 

Both fuck in that he's one I'd have really liked and in that he plays in the same position as their best player.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 30, 2023, 10:48:54 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on August 30, 2023, 10:43:26 PM
Quote from: Marlon From Bearwood on August 30, 2023, 10:39:36 PM
Fati is off to Brighton 

Both fuck in that he's one I'd have really liked and in that he plays in the same position as their best player.

I'm just happy he's not gone to Spurs.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: devilla on August 30, 2023, 10:49:58 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on August 30, 2023, 10:43:26 PM
Quote from: Marlon From Bearwood on August 30, 2023, 10:39:36 PM
Fati is off to Brighton 

Both fuck in that he's one I'd have really liked and in that he plays in the same position as their best player.

He's a class act, been watching him since he made his debut at Barcelona at 16 although he seems to have fallen out of favour with Xavi now. Had a long time out with an injury but back to his best now.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on August 30, 2023, 10:52:53 PM
			

			

				That's a really good deal for Brighton. Potentially as good as our deal for Diaby. Fuck Spurs
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: danno on August 30, 2023, 10:57:21 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on August 30, 2023, 10:43:26 PM
Quote from: Marlon From Bearwood on August 30, 2023, 10:39:36 PM
Fati is off to Brighton 

he plays in the same position as their best player.

Would this not potentially disrupt the balance of their team?  Players making the same runs, trying to play in the same areas etc. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Londonvilla on August 31, 2023, 12:01:28 AM
			

			

				Udinese look to Aston Villa’s Davis and Nottingham Forest’s Dennis

Udinese are searching for the replacement for striker Beto and have set their sights on Aston Villa’s Keinan Davis and Nottingham Forest’s Emmanuel Dennis, 

https://football-italia.net/udinese-look-to-aston-villas-davis-and-nottingham-forests-dennis/

Good move if he can get it.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 31, 2023, 12:16:14 AM
			

			

				“🚨EXCL: Unidese have reached an agreement in principle with Aston Villa to sign Keinan Davis✅ “

Great move Keinan!

“The player will travel to Italy in the next 24-48 hours to complete medical!”

Oh well, never mind.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on August 31, 2023, 12:16:59 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on August 30, 2023, 10:40:41 PM
After Lenglet, are we done or are we thinking we are still on the look out?

Think the only two areas of question left are 2nd choice keeper and striker.  There haven't really been any substantial links in those two positions all summer, so I think we might be done, but there is a just a sneaking feeling that we might pull a deal off on deadline day.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ROBBO on August 31, 2023, 12:21:39 AM
			

			

				If Fati has gone to Brighton then it probably means we were never in for him.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: enigma on August 31, 2023, 12:53:07 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Marlon From Bearwood on August 30, 2023, 10:39:36 PM
Fati is off to Brighton
Mental that a player like that can sign for Brighton. Just goes to show the power of the Premier league these days. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 31, 2023, 01:09:11 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ROBBO on August 31, 2023, 12:21:39 AM
If Fati has gone to Brighton then it probably means we were never in for him.

I know we're clearly a bigger club but they're in a better European competition than us and also have what looks like a really good manager (like us), I don't think it's that clear cut.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: danno on August 31, 2023, 01:11:37 AM
			

			

				Isn’t it just a loan? He might just be putting himself in the shop window.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 31, 2023, 01:14:26 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on August 31, 2023, 01:09:11 AM
Quote from: ROBBO on August 31, 2023, 12:21:39 AM
If Fati has gone to Brighton then it probably means we were never in for him.

I know we're clearly a bigger club but they're in a better European competition than us and also have what looks like a really good manager (like us), I don't think it's that clear cut.

Agreed. Someone was asking earlier would Spurs be that attractive as a club with no European competition to offer, and being in London the only attractive (for some) thing about them these days. History wise Brighton aren't a big club, but anyone who actually watches football would know they're an exciting team with European football and are likely to be challenging for Top 4 this season. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 31, 2023, 01:15:45 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: danno on August 31, 2023, 01:11:37 AM
Isn’t it just a loan? He might just be putting himself in the shop window.

Yeah, it is.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on August 31, 2023, 01:19:16 AM
			

			

				Brighton must be smashing their wage structure to pull that one off. Hopefully it leads to mass squad unrest and they lose their FFP poster-boy status, leading to eventual demotion. 
I'm moving down there in a few weeks so I'll be happy to see the collapse at close quarters.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Small Rodent on August 31, 2023, 01:39:10 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on August 31, 2023, 01:19:16 AM
Brighton must be smashing their wage structure to pull that one off. Hopefully it leads to mass squad unrest and they lose their FFP poster-boy status, leading to eventual demotion. 
I'm moving down there in a few weeks so I'll be happy to see the collapse at close quarters.

You lucky sod. It’s a great place.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on August 31, 2023, 01:40:35 AM
			

			

				It shows how far they have come. Fair play, get him fit he is a brilliant signing for them. They have signed 3-4 19/20 year olds that will no doubt keep the ££ rolling in.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on August 31, 2023, 06:35:41 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 31, 2023, 12:16:14 AM
“🚨EXCL: Unidese have reached an agreement in principle with Aston Villa to sign Keinan Davis✅ “

Great move Keinan!

“The player will travel to Italy in the next 24-48 hours to complete medical!”

Oh well, never mind.
I would say he never gets a break, but ...

Anyway, brilliant move for him. Think he'll do well there.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villafirst on August 31, 2023, 07:16:25 AM
			

			

				If no new strikers are incoming in this window, I'd have kept Keinan as back-up, at least until January. The forward options are too short, especially with any injuries that may occur. Hopefully there maybe a new striker signed, even a loan option.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on August 31, 2023, 07:27:48 AM
			

			

				I think we’re light up top too. We also have plenty of latitude to spend.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 31, 2023, 07:28:50 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 31, 2023, 12:16:14 AM
“🚨EXCL: Unidese have reached an agreement in principle with Aston Villa to sign Keinan Davis✅ “

Great move Keinan!

“The player will travel to Italy in the next 24-48 hours to complete medical!”

Oh well, never mind.

Unidese? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Garyth on August 31, 2023, 07:29:48 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: algy on August 31, 2023, 06:35:41 AM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 31, 2023, 12:16:14 AM
“🚨EXCL: Unidese have reached an agreement in principle with Aston Villa to sign Keinan Davis✅ “


Anyway, brilliant move for him. Think he'll do well there.

Friuli is a lovely corner of the world. I’d take a pay cut to live there. 😁
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on August 31, 2023, 07:33:29 AM
			

			

				Davis has not had a sniff under Emery so he was never going  to keep him as back up and it wouldn't be fair to really. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Garyth on August 31, 2023, 07:36:14 AM
			

			

				What’s Tammy Abrahams injury status? I wonder if we’re not seeing value right now and going to wait until the next window to revisit him as an option. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: sid1964 on August 31, 2023, 07:48:47 AM
			

			

				I don't understand the obsession with signing Tammy - he was good in the championship but is he better than Watkins?

I am hopeful that next summer our big signing will be a forward (Toney from Brentford)


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on August 31, 2023, 08:03:03 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulTheVillan on August 31, 2023, 07:28:50 AM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 31, 2023, 12:16:14 AM
“🚨EXCL: Unidese have reached an agreement in principle with Aston Villa to sign Keinan Davis✅ “

Great move Keinan!

“The player will travel to Italy in the next 24-48 hours to complete medical!”

Oh well, never mind.

Unidese?
Yep, they play in Serie B. Finished above Nopali and Laizo last season. Would've been promoted but they drew with Atalanata on the last day.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: cdward on August 31, 2023, 08:05:23 AM
			

			

				Fati to Brighton is a surprise, apparently De Zerbi was the deciding factor. Can't really argue with that.
The Brighton board are certainly very good at the moment. 


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on August 31, 2023, 08:06:30 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: sid1964 on August 31, 2023, 07:48:47 AM
I don't understand the obsession with signing Tammy - he was good in the championship but is he better than Watkins?

I am hopeful that next summer our big signing will be a forward (Toney from Brentford)



I wouldn't bet on it. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Anthenagin on August 31, 2023, 08:08:38 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clampy on August 31, 2023, 08:06:30 AM
Quote from: sid1964 on August 31, 2023, 07:48:47 AM
I don't understand the obsession with signing Tammy - he was good in the championship but is he better than Watkins?

I am hopeful that next summer our big signing will be a forward (Toney from Brentford)


I wouldn't bet on it.

I agree, he would be a massive gamble.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on August 31, 2023, 08:10:29 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clampy on August 31, 2023, 08:06:30 AM
Quote from: sid1964 on August 31, 2023, 07:48:47 AM
I don't understand the obsession with signing Tammy - he was good in the championship but is he better than Watkins?

I am hopeful that next summer our big signing will be a forward (Toney from Brentford)



I wouldn't bet on it. 

Nailed on for Chelsea or Spurs in Jan. I'd put his mortgage on it.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on August 31, 2023, 08:12:32 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Anthenagin on August 31, 2023, 08:08:38 AM
Quote from: Clampy on August 31, 2023, 08:06:30 AM
Quote from: sid1964 on August 31, 2023, 07:48:47 AM
I don't understand the obsession with signing Tammy - he was good in the championship but is he better than Watkins?

I am hopeful that next summer our big signing will be a forward (Toney from Brentford)


I wouldn't bet on it.

I agree, he would be a massive gamble.
what are the odds on that happening?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on August 31, 2023, 08:22:59 AM
			

			

				Didn't Tony Daley nearly join Udinese from us?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 31, 2023, 08:28:15 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on August 31, 2023, 08:22:59 AM
Didn't Tony Daley nearly join Udinese from us?

Good memory, sir.
linkage (https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/european-football-demise-of-daley-deal-upsets-villa-phil-shaw-on-a-double-dose-of-bad-luck-for-doug-ellis-1502294.html)

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 31, 2023, 08:30:05 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulTheVillan on August 31, 2023, 07:28:50 AM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 31, 2023, 12:16:14 AM
“🚨EXCL: Unidese have reached an agreement in principle with Aston Villa to sign Keinan Davis✅ “

Great move Keinan!

“The player will travel to Italy in the next 24-48 hours to complete medical!”

Oh well, never mind.

Unidese?

They've changed their name in honour of Uni. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Flamingo Lane on August 31, 2023, 08:30:29 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Garyth on August 31, 2023, 07:36:14 AM
What’s Tammy Abrahams injury status? I wonder if we’re not seeing value right now and going to wait until the next window to revisit him as an option.

I don't get this with Abrahams. He had one good season with us in the Championship, and I'm not saying he's a bad player. However, he's not particularly quick, not particularly mobile, not particularly strong, and his hold up play is poor.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 31, 2023, 08:33:05 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Flamingo Lane on August 31, 2023, 08:30:29 AM
Quote from: Garyth on August 31, 2023, 07:36:14 AM
What’s Tammy Abrahams injury status? I wonder if we’re not seeing value right now and going to wait until the next window to revisit him as an option.

I don't get this with Abrahams. He had one good season with us in the Championship, and I'm not saying he's a bad player. However, he's not particularly quick, not particularly mobile, not particularly strong, and his hold up play is poor.

Is it that people actually want to sign him or are they just making assumptions based off the fact we had apparently been planing on buying him this summer. Meaning Uni wants him, so it's possible he will go back in for him in January.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: WarszaVillan on August 31, 2023, 08:51:33 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulTheVillan on August 31, 2023, 08:28:15 AM
Quote from: eamonn on August 31, 2023, 08:22:59 AM
Didn't Tony Daley nearly join Udinese from us?

Good memory, sir.
linkage (https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/european-football-demise-of-daley-deal-upsets-villa-phil-shaw-on-a-double-dose-of-bad-luck-for-doug-ellis-1502294.html)


Great line in that article: Ellis has been 'deprived of his Daley bread'. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Garyth on August 31, 2023, 08:51:41 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 31, 2023, 08:33:05 AM


Is it that people actually want to sign him or are they just making assumptions based off the fact we had apparently been planing on buying him this summer. Meaning Uni wants him, so it's possible he will go back in for him in January.

Personally I’m just filling in time trying to put together pieces to see how they fit: We apparently were in for him. Emery mentioned he wanted more competition.We’ve sold a forward.  We haven’t signed one (setting aside whether Diaby or Zaniolo count). 

I don’t think Abraham is the messiah…
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on August 31, 2023, 09:21:06 AM
			

			

				I think the bit about us wanting a striker there aren’t a huge amount about when you consider that Man United paid 70m for the lad from Atalanta.

Who would we consider realistic targets?

I liked the look of the Sevilla guy in Super Cup 
Get involved in the deal for Ekiteke?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: murgsy on August 31, 2023, 09:29:17 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Gareth on August 31, 2023, 09:21:06 AM
I think the bit about us wanting a striker there aren’t a huge amount about when you consider that Man United paid 70m for the lad from Atalanta.

Who would we consider realistic targets?

I liked the look of the Sevilla guy in Super Cup 
Get involved in the deal for Ekiteke?


I was thinking about Youssef En-Nesyri too. He would provide something different - very good in the air.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on August 31, 2023, 09:30:22 AM
			

			

				The question about a striker is really difficult because we don't know how he wants to use Zaniolo. If Emery thinks him and Diaby can play together then I think we've probably got enough with Watkins, Duran, Diaby, Zaniolo and Coutinho (and Bert and Bailey at a push) for those 2 spots. If Coutinho does leave then he'll need to be replaced but, as I've said a few times, I think we're holding off on confirming him going until we know it won't leave us short.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: lovejoy on August 31, 2023, 09:35:36 AM
			

			

				It's a bit crazy that the Saudi window closes after ours so clubs could lose key players without the opportunity to replace.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dicedlam on August 31, 2023, 09:44:07 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: lovejoy on August 31, 2023, 09:35:36 AM
It's a bit crazy that the Saudi window closes after ours so clubs could lose key players without the opportunity to replace.

This I don't understand.

The FA should rule the transfer window shut and be done with it. No further movement from English based players after the 31st of August.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: jwarry on August 31, 2023, 09:45:40 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Villafirst on August 31, 2023, 07:16:25 AM
If no new strikers are incoming in this window, I'd have kept Keinan as back-up, at least until January. The forward options are too short, especially with any injuries that may occur. Hopefully there maybe a new striker signed, even a loan option.

But we don’t play with a hold up striker.  Our game is now in behind with pace and that’s not Kienan
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on August 31, 2023, 09:46:52 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: dicedlam on August 31, 2023, 09:44:07 AM
Quote from: lovejoy on August 31, 2023, 09:35:36 AM
It's a bit crazy that the Saudi window closes after ours so clubs could lose key players without the opportunity to replace.

This I don't understand.

The FA should rule the transfer window shut and be done with it. No further movement from English based players after the 31st of August.

What about if the clubs want to sell them?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 31, 2023, 09:48:27 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulTheVillan on August 31, 2023, 07:28:50 AM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 31, 2023, 12:16:14 AM
“🚨EXCL: Unidese have reached an agreement in principle with Aston Villa to sign Keinan Davis✅ “

Great move Keinan!

“The player will travel to Italy in the next 24-48 hours to complete medical!”

Oh well, never mind.

Unidese?

Don’t blame me, I copied and pasted it (apart from my comments).
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on August 31, 2023, 09:56:37 AM
			

			

				Udinese? Well then, may I be the first to congratulate Keinan on his move to Juve in 2025.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on August 31, 2023, 10:02:09 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on August 31, 2023, 09:30:22 AM
The question about a striker is really difficult because we don't know how he wants to use Zaniolo. If Emery thinks him and Diaby can play together then I think we've probably got enough with Watkins, Duran, Diaby, Zaniolo and Coutinho (and Bert and Bailey at a push) for those 2 spots. If Coutinho does leave then he'll need to be replaced but, as I've said a few times, I think we're holding off on confirming him going until we know it won't leave us short.
I don't think we can rely on Coutinho making any significant contribution this season.  He clearly can't stay fit.  It feels to me we are very short on the left with or without him.  If he needs to be replaced if he goes then in my opinion he needs to be replaced if he stays too.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on August 31, 2023, 10:03:22 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Monty on August 31, 2023, 09:56:37 AM
Udinese? Well then, may I be the first to congratulate Keinan on his move to Juve in 2025.

Aren't they owned by the Watford blokes, where Keinan was last season?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on August 31, 2023, 10:04:03 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: lovejoy on August 31, 2023, 09:35:36 AM
It's a bit crazy that the Saudi window closes after ours so clubs could lose key players without the opportunity to replace.
Only if they agree to sell them.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on August 31, 2023, 10:23:02 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on August 31, 2023, 10:02:09 AM
Quote from: paul_e on August 31, 2023, 09:30:22 AM
The question about a striker is really difficult because we don't know how he wants to use Zaniolo. If Emery thinks him and Diaby can play together then I think we've probably got enough with Watkins, Duran, Diaby, Zaniolo and Coutinho (and Bert and Bailey at a push) for those 2 spots. If Coutinho does leave then he'll need to be replaced but, as I've said a few times, I think we're holding off on confirming him going until we know it won't leave us short.
I don't think we can rely on Coutinho making any significant contribution this season.  He clearly can't stay fit.  It feels to me we are very short on the left with or without him.  If he needs to be replaced if he goes then in my opinion he needs to be replaced if he stays too.

I agree. I still think we are a forward light because I don't really consider Coutinho as a viable option to rely on. Of our remaining players the most experienced playing down the middle is Traore, but he's also very fragile. I still think Brennan Johnson would really kick on under Emery. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on August 31, 2023, 10:28:27 AM
			

			

				Saudi window is 7th Sept
Qatar is 18th Sept

Got to be a fair chance the Coutinho situation will not be resolved in next day and a half 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on August 31, 2023, 10:32:55 AM
			

			

				I don't really disagree on Coutinho but with his wages and his apparent place within the squad (i.e. everyone seems to like him) I don't think it would be a good idea to repalce him and then keep him around. I also don't think that part is the problem, finding a suitable replacement who is available, good enough and that we can get over the line is the hard part, regardless of whether Coutinho is here or not.

Someone like Brennan Johnson wouldn't really help because he'd be another player best suited to playing on the right where we have plenty of cover. It's on the left where we look a bit light, that's why Fati would've been a really good option.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on August 31, 2023, 10:39:33 AM
			

			

				I just wonder with the manager if he wants to bring about a culture at the club where we 'get on with it' and find solutions within rather than trying to fix everything with a chequebook.

I wonder too if he feels his methods might get diluted with a bloated squad.


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 31, 2023, 10:40:47 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on August 31, 2023, 10:39:33 AM
I just wonder with the manager if he wants to bring about a culture at the club where we 'get on with it' and find solutions within rather than trying to fix everything with a chequebook.

I wonder too if he feels his methods might get diluted with a bloated squad.



That sounds plausible to me.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on August 31, 2023, 10:41:28 AM
			

			

				We've got Diaby, Zaniolo, McGinn and Ramsey who can all play where Coutinho plays.  There is also Buendia when he comes back.  I like Coutinho, but he hasn't really shown enough during his time here to convince me that he would be worth keeping if an offer came in.  Freeing up his wages would surely give us some more wriggle room to bring players in.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on August 31, 2023, 10:43:08 AM
			

			

				I'm not surprised that with his injury record, wages and form over the last 3 seasons it's not easy to move him on.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on August 31, 2023, 10:44:00 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on August 31, 2023, 10:40:47 AM
Quote from: LeeB on August 31, 2023, 10:39:33 AM
I just wonder with the manager if he wants to bring about a culture at the club where we 'get on with it' and find solutions within rather than trying to fix everything with a chequebook.

I wonder too if he feels his methods might get diluted with a bloated squad.



That sounds plausible to me.

I've just laughed at myself for using the term 'chequebook' though, like it's 1987 or something.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on August 31, 2023, 10:44:32 AM
			

			

				
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Quote from: LeeB on August 31, 2023, 10:39:33 AM
I just wonder with the manager if he wants to bring about a culture at the club where we 'get on with it' and find solutions within rather than trying to fix everything with a chequebook.

I wonder too if he feels his methods might get diluted with a bloated squad.

Yep and also think that we have to remember that he is less than a year into the job and is remodelling the squad.  That isn't going to happen in one or two transfer windows and I guess would be harder to do with large numbers of players coming in at one time.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 31, 2023, 10:56:13 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on August 31, 2023, 10:44:00 AM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on August 31, 2023, 10:40:47 AM
Quote from: LeeB on August 31, 2023, 10:39:33 AM
I just wonder with the manager if he wants to bring about a culture at the club where we 'get on with it' and find solutions within rather than trying to fix everything with a chequebook.

I wonder too if he feels his methods might get diluted with a bloated squad.



That sounds plausible to me.

I've just laughed at myself for using the term 'chequebook' though, like it's 1987 or something.

You've always struck me as a 'thick wads of used twenties' man. I'm very much a 'bus fare in one of those little plastic bags' chap. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on August 31, 2023, 10:57:11 AM
			

			

				I'm a 'bouncing a cheque for a single Remy Martin' type of guy.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on August 31, 2023, 11:00:15 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on August 31, 2023, 10:56:13 AM
Quote from: LeeB on August 31, 2023, 10:44:00 AM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on August 31, 2023, 10:40:47 AM
Quote from: LeeB on August 31, 2023, 10:39:33 AM
I just wonder with the manager if he wants to bring about a culture at the club where we 'get on with it' and find solutions within rather than trying to fix everything with a chequebook.

I wonder too if he feels his methods might get diluted with a bloated squad.



That sounds plausible to me.

I've just laughed at myself for using the term 'chequebook' though, like it's 1987 or something.

You've always struck me as a 'thick wads of used twenties' man. I'm very much a 'bus fare in one of those little plastic bags' chap. 

My wife bought me a personalised money clip, I think for my 30th. Never had enough notes to make it work.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: lovejoy on August 31, 2023, 11:10:31 AM
			

			

				Who uses cash these days?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on August 31, 2023, 11:12:20 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: lovejoy on August 31, 2023, 11:10:31 AM
Who uses cash these days?

Germans.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on August 31, 2023, 11:12:29 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on August 31, 2023, 10:39:33 AM
I just wonder with the manager if he wants to bring about a culture at the club where we 'get on with it' and find solutions within rather than trying to fix everything with a chequebook.

I wonder too if he feels his methods might get diluted with a bloated squad.


Yes, it's a fine balance that's for sure.

If we go with what we've got we've still got an exciting season ahead, albeit we're a bit exposed in certain positions.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 31, 2023, 11:12:56 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Monty on August 31, 2023, 11:12:20 AM
Quote from: lovejoy on August 31, 2023, 11:10:31 AM
Who uses cash these days?

Germans.

And people who buy drugs.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on August 31, 2023, 11:14:16 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: tomd2103 on August 31, 2023, 10:41:28 AM
We've got Diaby, Zaniolo, McGinn and Ramsey who can all play where Coutinho plays.  There is also Buendia when he comes back.  I like Coutinho, but he hasn't really shown enough during his time here to convince me that he would be worth keeping if an offer came in.  Freeing up his wages would surely give us some more wriggle room to bring players in.  
Yep, after this latest injury I've lost the small amount of hope I had that he may contribute.  I'd sell him either way if there was a taker.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on August 31, 2023, 11:14:36 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on August 31, 2023, 11:12:56 AM
Quote from: Monty on August 31, 2023, 11:12:20 AM
Quote from: lovejoy on August 31, 2023, 11:10:31 AM
Who uses cash these days?

Germans.

And people who buy drugs.

Yes, so I've heard.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 31, 2023, 11:34:38 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on August 31, 2023, 11:14:36 AM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on August 31, 2023, 11:12:56 AM
Quote from: Monty on August 31, 2023, 11:12:20 AM
Quote from: lovejoy on August 31, 2023, 11:10:31 AM
Who uses cash these days?

Germans.

And people who buy drugs.

Yes, so I've heard.

And people who sell drugs.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on August 31, 2023, 11:37:31 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 31, 2023, 11:34:38 AM
Quote from: LeeB on August 31, 2023, 11:14:36 AM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on August 31, 2023, 11:12:56 AM
Quote from: Monty on August 31, 2023, 11:12:20 AM
Quote from: lovejoy on August 31, 2023, 11:10:31 AM
Who uses cash these days?

Germans.

And people who buy drugs.

Yes, so I've heard.

And people who sell drugs.

Cool, can you PM your menu please and do you deliver to Castle Brom?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 31, 2023, 11:44:13 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on August 31, 2023, 10:44:00 AM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on August 31, 2023, 10:40:47 AM
Quote from: LeeB on August 31, 2023, 10:39:33 AM
I just wonder with the manager if he wants to bring about a culture at the club where we 'get on with it' and find solutions within rather than trying to fix everything with a chequebook.

I wonder too if he feels his methods might get diluted with a bloated squad.



That sounds plausible to me.

I've just laughed at myself for using the term 'chequebook' though, like it's 1987 or something.

Some of my UK customers still pay with cheques, farmers here are strange folk sometimes. Millionaire landowners with public school education that wont use banking methods smallholders in central Africa manage to use. It's a pain in the neck, I misplaced a cheque a couple of days ago and will now have to have a six week argument with the farmer over sending a replacement. Which considering it's for nearly £10k and was three months late is a nuisance.

I agree though that with the detail Emery goes into with his players, that his methods would be hard work with a bloated squad. two players for each position and a few youth players on the fringe seems to be what he aims for, rather than Chelsea style squad largesse.

I'm happy to keep Coutinho, think he will be an asset in Europe and can then move on in January when we have a replacement ready. Been a very good transfer window.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 31, 2023, 11:48:09 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on August 31, 2023, 10:39:33 AM
I just wonder with the manager if he wants to bring about a culture at the club where we 'get on with it' and find solutions within rather than trying to fix everything with a chequebook.

I wonder too if he feels his methods might get diluted with a bloated squad.

He literally said this either before or after the Burnley game. He was talking about whether or not we'd be bringing in players to replace Mings and Buendia, and he basically said they would look within the squad to see if different players can step in to fill the gaps. He didn't mean literally fill the positions, he meant contribute the things to the team that Mings and Buendia did. That's not to say we won't get a last minute signing in, but it definitely sounds like he has no intention of buying just for the sake of it. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on August 31, 2023, 11:54:20 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 31, 2023, 11:48:09 AM
Quote from: LeeB on August 31, 2023, 10:39:33 AM
I just wonder with the manager if he wants to bring about a culture at the club where we 'get on with it' and find solutions within rather than trying to fix everything with a chequebook.

I wonder too if he feels his methods might get diluted with a bloated squad.

He literally said this either before or after the Burnley game. He was talking about whether or not we'd be bringing in players to replace Mings and Buendia, and he basically said they would look within the squad to see if different players can step in to fill the gaps. He didn't mean literally fill the positions, he meant contribute the things to the team that Mings and Buendia did. That's not to say we won't get a last minute signing in, but it definitely sounds like he has no intention of buying just for the sake of it. 

He has also said we need to be looking to have as strong as squad as possible and be ready for opportunities in the market though, so I don't think it's as simple as he likes a smaller squad, I think it's more he's quite picky. Not sure how that translates to his love of Robin Olsen mind 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 31, 2023, 12:00:55 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ozzjim on August 31, 2023, 11:54:20 AM

He has also said we need to be looking to have as strong as squad as possible and be ready for opportunities in the market though, so I don't think it's as simple as he likes a smaller squad, I think it's more he's quite picky. Not sure how that translates to his love of Robin Olsen mind

Personally I think the Olsen situation is simply a case of there not being a lot of options out there who are almost as good as Martinez AND willing to play back up. And sure, some will say he doesn't need to be as good as Martinez, just better than Olsen, but I don't think that's the way Emery looks at things. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: passport1 on August 31, 2023, 12:01:12 PM
			

			

				I think he has said they will be very strategic in the market. It goes back to his approach  in the January window  when he was prepared to utilise the squad he inherited and wait until this summer to get the players he wanted. Our former scatter gun approach to signings appears to be a thing of the past.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on August 31, 2023, 12:12:42 PM
			

			

				You cool kids with your fancy cheque books, a postal order was always good enough for me.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: thick_mike on August 31, 2023, 12:34:22 PM
			

			

				Or unused postage stamps
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on August 31, 2023, 12:38:09 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 31, 2023, 12:00:55 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 31, 2023, 11:54:20 AM

He has also said we need to be looking to have as strong as squad as possible and be ready for opportunities in the market though, so I don't think it's as simple as he likes a smaller squad, I think it's more he's quite picky. Not sure how that translates to his love of Robin Olsen mind

Personally I think the Olsen situation is simply a case of there not being a lot of options out there who are almost as good as Martinez AND willing to play back up. And sure, some will say he doesn't need to be as good as Martinez, just better than Olsen, but I don't think that's the way Emery looks at things.

There are not a lot of options who are almost as good as Martinez AND willing to play backup at Villa either...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Holte L2 on August 31, 2023, 12:46:22 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: lovejoy on August 31, 2023, 11:10:31 AM
Who uses cash these days?

The programme sellers at Villa Park. Even at Bournemouth they had a card reader.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 31, 2023, 12:46:31 PM
			

			

				Leeds have signed two new midfielders, I wonder if Gnonto will get a last minute move?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on August 31, 2023, 12:53:24 PM
			

			

				Same agent as Zaniolo. I'd take him in a heartbeat. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on August 31, 2023, 01:00:27 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ozzjim on August 31, 2023, 12:53:24 PM
Same agent as Zaniolo. I'd take him in a heartbeat. 
Yes looks like a very good prospect at the right price.  I really don't like players who strike to force a move, but am hypocritical to welcome them if we're the ones benefiting and they're good enough.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 31, 2023, 01:08:14 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on August 31, 2023, 01:00:27 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 31, 2023, 12:53:24 PM
Same agent as Zaniolo. I'd take him in a heartbeat. 
Yes looks like a very good prospect at the right price.  I really don't like players who strike to force a move, but am hypocritical to welcome them if we're the ones benefiting and they're good enough.

I'm the same and said as much about Gnonto when he went on strike, but I see he's back playing for them so I guess we can chalk it up to being young and dumb? Only if we sign him though, otherwise it's just terrible behaviour and who'd want someone like that at the club?! 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Des Little on August 31, 2023, 01:26:35 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Holte L2 on August 31, 2023, 12:46:22 PM
Quote from: lovejoy on August 31, 2023, 11:10:31 AM
Who uses cash these days?


The programme sellers at Villa Park. Even at Bournemouth they had a card reader.

'I can see you going on a long journey...back to Birmingham'
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on August 31, 2023, 01:36:06 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on August 31, 2023, 11:12:56 AM
Quote from: Monty on August 31, 2023, 11:12:20 AM
Quote from: lovejoy on August 31, 2023, 11:10:31 AM
Who uses cash these days?

Germans.

And people who buy drugs.
Not true. I have just bought drugs at Boots and paid by card. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ger Regan on August 31, 2023, 01:59:24 PM
			

			

				Romano suggesting Betis and Besiktas also in for Coutinho.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 31, 2023, 02:07:34 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ger Regan on August 31, 2023, 01:59:24 PM
Romano suggesting Betis and Besiktas also in for Coutinho.

I think Besiktas were interested earlier in the window but couldn't agree personal terms, or wouldn't pay his wages, to put it more bluntly. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 31, 2023, 02:23:27 PM
			

			

				Some Spanish sites suggesting we're interested in Ez Abde from Barca. They want £17mil for him. Both us and Leverkusen interested in him but not at that price, apparently. 

21 year old Moroccan. The article I'm reading says he's a forward, but he's listed as a winger everywhere else. Was on loan at Osasuna last season, scored 6 in 34 appearances. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: curiousorange on August 31, 2023, 02:28:56 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 31, 2023, 02:23:27 PM
Some Spanish sites suggesting we're interested in Ez Abde from Barca. They want £17mil for him. Both us and Leverkusen interested in him but not at that price, apparently. 

21 year old Moroccan. The article I'm reading says he's a forward, but he's listed as a winger everywhere else. Was on loan at Osasuna last season, scored 6 in 34 appearances. 

I'm hoping he's a winger with those stats.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ger Regan on August 31, 2023, 02:29:44 PM
			

			

				Left wing, apparently
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on August 31, 2023, 02:48:55 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 31, 2023, 02:23:27 PM
Some Spanish sites suggesting we're interested in Ez Abde from Barca. They want £17mil for him. Both us and Leverkusen interested in him but not at that price, apparently. 

21 year old Moroccan. The article I'm reading says he's a forward, but he's listed as a winger everywhere else. Was on loan at Osasuna last season, scored 6 in 34 appearances.

Fast, good on the ball, inconsistent end product.

Haven't we just flogged one of those?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on August 31, 2023, 04:46:32 PM
			

			

				I do wonder if we are still waiting on Tammy Abraham. It was strongly suggested we had agreed a fee with Roma and then got injured. A risk obviously but do we go with what we have and add him in January? And instead as we’ve done add support and flexible options all across our midfield and attacking options now. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 31, 2023, 04:52:30 PM
			

			

				We've scored something like 13 goals in 4 games and only 3 of them have come from Watkins. Obviously the opposition matters when looking at that, but if goals are coming from elsewhere then I think we're alright.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on August 31, 2023, 04:55:17 PM
			

			

				No we are not. We need our out and out striker to convert more otherwise we will not realise our full potential this season.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on August 31, 2023, 04:57:54 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: olaftab on August 31, 2023, 04:55:17 PM
No we are not. We need our out and out striker to convert more otherwise we will not realise our full potential this season.

Across the season we do, the fact he hasn’t over the first few league games doesn’t really matter.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 31, 2023, 05:00:49 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: olaftab on August 31, 2023, 04:55:17 PM
No we are not. We need our out and out striker to convert more otherwise we will not realise our full potential this season.

I'd love if Watkins scored every time he got the chance but ultimately as long as someone is scoring, and we're scoring more than the opposition, it's fine. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: mallo on August 31, 2023, 05:59:36 PM
			

			

				As long as Watkins stays around the 1 in 3 level or better we should be fine.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: IFWaters on August 31, 2023, 05:59:38 PM
			

			

				We need a fox in the box
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on August 31, 2023, 06:02:19 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: mallo on August 31, 2023, 05:59:36 PM
As long as Watkins stays around the 1 in 3 level or better we should be fine.

Yep and that’s my point across the season. The problem comes if he gets injured.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Mister E on August 31, 2023, 06:24:31 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: IFWaters on August 31, 2023, 05:59:38 PM
We need a fox in the box
You mean, like Ings?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Mister E on August 31, 2023, 06:26:50 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 31, 2023, 04:52:30 PM
We've scored something like 13 goals in 4 games and only 3 of them have come from Watkins. Obviously the opposition matters when looking at that, but if goals are coming from elsewhere then I think we're alright.
.. and if you look at the goals, several come from pull-backs by Digne, Cash, Watkins, Diaby, etc. We do not appear to be playing the 'traditional' way of pumping balls into the 6 yd box and hoping the striker is there.
I'm relaxed that we are finding different and various ways of putting the ball in the onion bag, with players being both providers and scorers.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: 85kota on August 31, 2023, 06:39:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Mister E on August 31, 2023, 06:26:50 PM
Quote from: AV84 on August 31, 2023, 04:52:30 PM
We've scored something like 13 goals in 4 games and only 3 of them have come from Watkins. Obviously the opposition matters when looking at that, but if goals are coming from elsewhere then I think we're alright.
.. and if you look at the goals, several come from pull-backs by Digne, Cash, Watkins, Diaby, etc. We do not appear to be playing the 'traditional' way of pumping balls into the 6 yd box and hoping the striker is there.
I'm relaxed that we are finding different and various ways of putting the ball in the onion bag, with players being both providers and scorers.

I think you are right Mister E we have no problem scoring goals. A lot of that is due to Watkins's position play and willing attitude. He would still be missed should his impeccable fitness record take a dip.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 31, 2023, 06:43:42 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: 85kota on August 31, 2023, 06:39:17 PM

I think you are right Mister E we have no problem scoring goals. A lot of that is due to Watkins's position play and willing attitude. He would still be missed should his impeccable fitness record take a dip.

There's no doubt we'd sorely miss Watkins if he was out for a long spell, but that just proves his value as a player even when he's not scoring goals. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 31, 2023, 06:44:09 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Mister E on August 31, 2023, 06:24:31 PM
Quote from: IFWaters on August 31, 2023, 05:59:38 PM
We need a fox in the box

You mean, like Ings?

Too old, maybe Gio Reynard at Dortmund.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: jwarry on August 31, 2023, 06:50:19 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: IFWaters on August 31, 2023, 05:59:38 PM
We need a fox in the box

We don’t play that way 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: lovejoy on August 31, 2023, 06:55:13 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: jwarry on August 31, 2023, 06:50:19 PM
Quote from: IFWaters on August 31, 2023, 05:59:38 PM
We need a fox in the box

We don’t play that way 

Exactly, these type of players don’t tend to hold the ball up and link play, you need to feed them the ball in the right place. It’s kind of old fashioned thinking.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Londonvilla on August 31, 2023, 06:56:09 PM
			

			

				
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🚨💣 Philippe Coutinho is joining Al-Duhail — both clubs are finalising last documents! 
@Tanziloic
 #avfc

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@AVFCStatto
It was fun in parts, but Gerrard couldn't get the best out of him (like most of the team), and injuries have hampered his time under Emery.

AVFC - The Religion
@AVFCTheReligion

It sound's like Philippe Coutinho is joining Al-Duhail.

Despite calls from Betis and Besiktas, Philippe Coutinho decision remains to join Al Duhail in Qatar

@FabrizioRomano


Goodbye and thanks for the fish
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on August 31, 2023, 06:59:08 PM
			

			

				Light on attacking options.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: IFWaters on August 31, 2023, 07:20:36 PM
			

			

				Sorry for my out of date 1990s terminology. I'm over the moon with our attacking options with the single exception that at times young Ollie hits a bad patch, loses confidence and goes on a barn door with a banjo spree of missed chances. That or he gets injured. In that event I'm not sold on Duran as adequate alternative or cover. I feel we need an experienced option, in effect an Ings replacement. Someone used to putting them away, maybe getting on a bit but experienced. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 31, 2023, 07:20:58 PM
			

			

				Benzema looking to leave Saudi Arabia. There's still time. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on August 31, 2023, 07:21:54 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 31, 2023, 07:20:58 PM
Benzema looking to leave Saudi Arabia. There's still time.
He only just got there 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 31, 2023, 07:23:51 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: VillaTim on August 31, 2023, 07:21:54 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 31, 2023, 07:20:58 PM
Benzema looking to leave Saudi Arabia. There's still time.
He only just got there 

Fall out with Nuno Espirito Santo or Nuno One Hand as he will soon be known.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: KevinGage on August 31, 2023, 07:31:17 PM
			

			

				Wanted him to remain, as still thought he could be an asset - partic in the slower paced European games. 

But even getting him onto the pitch is an issue now, nevermind his contribution on it. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 31, 2023, 07:34:46 PM
			

			

				Shame about Coutinho. I really wanted to keep him but it was probably a romantic notion of him recapturing his younger form and propelling us to glory that had me wanting that. 

It's a shame his time here ended with him crying as he hobbled round the pitch to get treatment. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on August 31, 2023, 07:35:09 PM
			

			

				Not sure where to put this - but I wish that Southgate would get the boat - Nekieah ahead of Watkins, no Konsa.  

Philips, the retired Henderson, and Maguire all in.  

we no Ramsey if fit wouldn't have been in there 

Hes just a joke
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 31, 2023, 07:36:42 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Beard82 on August 31, 2023, 07:35:09 PM
Not sure where to put this - but I wish that Southgate would get the boat - Nekieah ahead of Watkins, no Konsa.  

Philips, the retired Henderson, and Maguire all in.  

we no Ramsey if fit wouldn't have been in there 

Hes just a joke

"Get the boat" is an expression I haven't heard in about 20 years! 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ian. on August 31, 2023, 07:38:11 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 31, 2023, 07:36:42 PM
Quote from: Beard82 on August 31, 2023, 07:35:09 PM
Not sure where to put this - but I wish that Southgate would get the boat - Nekieah ahead of Watkins, no Konsa.  

Philips, the retired Henderson, and Maguire all in.  

we no Ramsey if fit wouldn't have been in there 

Hes just a joke

"Get the boat" is an expression I haven't heard in about 20 years! 

I’ve never heard of that saying?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 31, 2023, 07:39:35 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Ian. on August 31, 2023, 07:38:11 PM

I’ve never heard of that saying?

We used to say it all the time when I was a kid, but I always assumed it was an Irish thing, or more specifically a Dublin thing. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on August 31, 2023, 07:40:09 PM
			

			

				I meant get the boot.  Just rage typing 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 31, 2023, 07:41:47 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Beard82 on August 31, 2023, 07:40:09 PM
I meant get the boot.  Just rage typing

Oh, I thought it was making a comeback and had crossed the channel.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on August 31, 2023, 07:43:53 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 31, 2023, 07:41:47 PM
Quote from: Beard82 on August 31, 2023, 07:40:09 PM
I meant get the boot.  Just rage typing

Oh, I thought it was making a comeback and had crossed the channel.
Sorry - I did think about keeping up the pretense - felt a bit edgy for a minute there!!

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 31, 2023, 07:44:10 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 31, 2023, 07:41:47 PM
Quote from: Beard82 on August 31, 2023, 07:40:09 PM
I meant get the boot.  Just rage typing

Oh, I thought it was making a comeback and had crossed the channel.

Channel?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on August 31, 2023, 07:45:41 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on August 31, 2023, 07:44:10 PM
Quote from: AV84 on August 31, 2023, 07:41:47 PM
Quote from: Beard82 on August 31, 2023, 07:40:09 PM
I meant get the boot.  Just rage typing

Oh, I thought it was making a comeback and had crossed the channel.

Channel?
From Ireland?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 31, 2023, 07:46:35 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on August 31, 2023, 07:44:10 PM
Quote from: AV84 on August 31, 2023, 07:41:47 PM
Quote from: Beard82 on August 31, 2023, 07:40:09 PM
I meant get the boot.  Just rage typing

Oh, I thought it was making a comeback and had crossed the channel.

Channel?

Sorry. I was so excited at the thought of the phrase making a comeback that all knowledge of geography temporarily left my brain. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 31, 2023, 07:56:48 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Beard82 on August 31, 2023, 07:45:41 PM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on August 31, 2023, 07:44:10 PM
Quote from: AV84 on August 31, 2023, 07:41:47 PM
Oh, I thought it was making a comeback and had crossed the channel.

Channel?

From Ireland?
 
He could have been referring to the St. George's Channel if travelling from Rosslare to Fishguard, but he has thankfully corrected himself.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: KevinGage on August 31, 2023, 07:57:58 PM
			

			

				I hope he gets booted in the face continuously as he sails on a small boat to China.  Or Saudi. He's just the sort of turncoat who'd bleat about moderately progressive causes and end up there, taking the filthy lucre. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: 85kota on August 31, 2023, 08:55:44 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: KevinGage on August 31, 2023, 07:57:58 PM
I hope he gets booted in the face continuously as he sails on a small boat to China.  Or Saudi. He's just the sort of turncoat who'd bleat about moderately progressive causes and end up there, taking the filthy lucre.

That is very harsh on AV84 he admitted he had got carried away.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on August 31, 2023, 08:59:59 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on August 31, 2023, 07:36:42 PM
Quote from: Beard82 on August 31, 2023, 07:35:09 PM
Not sure where to put this - but I wish that Southgate would get the boat - Nekieah ahead of Watkins, no Konsa.  

Philips, the retired Henderson, and Maguire all in.  

we no Ramsey if fit wouldn't have been in there 

Hes just a joke

"Get the boat" is an expression I haven't heard in about 20 years! 

They say it a lot in the Isle of Man. If you criticise any element of life over there you're told to "get the boat" or "there's a boat back in the morning."
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 31, 2023, 09:04:07 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on August 31, 2023, 08:59:59 PM

They say it a lot in the Isle of Man. If you criticise any element of life over there you're told to "get the boat" or "there's a boat back in the morning."

We used to use it like how you'd tell someone to f**k off if they were saying something stupid or annoying, or that you disagreed with, but in a friendly kind of way. No idea where we were telling people to get the boat to. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on August 31, 2023, 09:28:20 PM
			

			

				When i was about 14-15 we had a football coach who was an old Irish guy and he used get the boat all the time, feckin ejit was nearly as common.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on August 31, 2023, 11:42:25 PM
			

			

				As easy as it was, think tonight highlighted where we are short.  Olsen is a disaster waiting to happen and seemingly can't go through a game without making a howler of some sort.  We need Moreno to come back ASAP as we are heavily reliant on Digne at the moment, who himself is quite injury prone.  I like Duran and he has some promise, but we are going to be struggling if we are going to be relying on him to replace Watkins for a period if Ollie is out. 

It wouldn't be so bad, but our luck with injuries in recent years is generally rotten and you just know it's going to happen at some point.  I don't want to get carried away, but Manchester City aside, I think we can probably compete with the others, but a significant injury to Martinez or Watkins will hamper us so badly.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on August 31, 2023, 11:50:23 PM
			

			

				If Watkins was long term injured I think Emery would probably have a game plan to manage his absence. But if Martinez was out and we were relying on Olsen for a long period of time, I'm not sure what possible game plan could save us there. I suppose against maybe 75% of teams it would just be "score one more than we concede".
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: CT Villan on August 31, 2023, 11:53:10 PM
			

			

				A Brighton-supporting mate just texted me to say BHA are on the verge of signing Fati on loan from Barca [sadface].
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on September 01, 2023, 12:08:09 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: tomd2103 on August 31, 2023, 11:42:25 PM
As easy as it was, think tonight highlighted where we are short.  Olsen is a disaster waiting to happen and seemingly can't go through a game without making a howler of some sort.  We need Moreno to come back ASAP as we are heavily reliant on Digne at the moment, who himself is quite injury prone.  I like Duran and he has some promise, but we are going to be struggling if we are going to be relying on him to replace Watkins for a period if Ollie is out. 

It wouldn't be so bad, but our luck with injuries in recent years is generally rotten and you just know it's going to happen at some point.  I don't want to get carried away, but Manchester City aside, I think we can probably compete with the others, but a significant injury to Martinez or Watkins will hamper us so badly.  
So he’s played 135 minutes of this Euro tie and not conceded a goal but you still find a reason to criticise Olsen?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2023, 12:33:56 AM
			

			

				Couple of decent saves and a clean sheet but you can't say he didn't give you a couple of clenching moments. If he was to play sat, 10, on the spin it would worry me. I read we have 11 games in 5 weeks at one point before Christmas, so the squad is going to get thoroughly tested. If Coutinho is to go, we need a fit and suitable forward in. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: DB on September 01, 2023, 12:34:01 AM
			

			

				Re Olsen. He made a couple of good saves, but also a couple of fumbles.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Londonvilla on September 01, 2023, 12:48:23 AM
			

			

				
Fabrizio Romano
@FabrizioRomano
Al Duhail are now closing in on Philippe Coutinho deal! Final details to be sorted later today with Aston Villa then here we go 🟣🔵🇶🇦 #AVFC

Qatari side agreed personal terms with Coutinho one week ago, he didn’t listen to Betis/Besiktas.

Details being ironed out. #DeadlineDay


I wonder how much we'll get in transfer fee bearing in mind that anything over 17 million we have to go 50/50 with Barcelona..
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Matt C on September 01, 2023, 04:14:46 AM
			

			

				16.99m it is. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on September 01, 2023, 06:59:26 AM
			

			

				With Coutinho going we’re definitely light in attack.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Flamingo Lane on September 01, 2023, 07:13:14 AM
			

			

				I watched Aberdeen v Hacken last night, and Hacken had a forward, Ibrahim Sadiq, who (allowing for the opposition) looked a terrific player, scored two and got scythed down for the penalty from which Hacken scored their third. He confirmed after the game that he is about to sign for AZ Alkmar. Wish he was coming to us. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on September 01, 2023, 07:17:10 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulWinch again on September 01, 2023, 06:59:26 AM
With Coutinho going we’re definitely light in attack.
Watkins Zaniolo Traore Bailey Duran Diaby Kellymam ?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on September 01, 2023, 07:29:50 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ChicagoLion on September 01, 2023, 07:17:10 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on September 01, 2023, 06:59:26 AM
With Coutinho going we’re definitely light in attack.
Watkins Zaniolo Traore Bailey Duran Diaby Kellymam ?

Bearing in mind that’s essentially across three positions and we’ve got at least 6 European games, with a kid who has just made his debut and at least two players with shaky injury records - it’s not as stacked as is looks when you list the names.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on September 01, 2023, 07:35:29 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulWinch again on September 01, 2023, 07:29:50 AM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on September 01, 2023, 07:17:10 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on September 01, 2023, 06:59:26 AM
With Coutinho going we’re definitely light in attack.
Watkins Zaniolo Traore Bailey Duran Diaby Kellymam ?

Bearing in mind that’s essentially across three positions and we’ve got at least 6 European games, with a kid who has just made his debut and at least two players with shaky injury records - it’s not as stacked as is looks when you list the names.
I am not sure what the right number is though, I have been expecting Traoré to go and be replaced not added to, we also have Buendia to return.
I would like more quality not quantity given the choice.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2023, 07:44:46 AM
			

			

				Last night shows exactly why you need another one. Traore can't be relied on to be fit at any time, Bailey has not exactly been a pillar of fitness either. Kellyman is 17. Duran has played about 300 minutes at this level. I agree it needs to be a quality addition, but we need one more, as Emery said last night. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villafirst on September 01, 2023, 07:44:55 AM
			

			

				I really thought a replacement for Archer leaving was lined up. Perhaps something might happen today, but I'm concerned at the lack of cover up front, especially for Watkins. Philogene should stay if no cover is brought in.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulTheVillan on September 01, 2023, 07:48:20 AM
			

			

				Ideally a striker and a right back to cover Watkin & Cash.

Wouldn't be against Coutinho leaving, he's hardly ever fit.

Strange as his best moments for us came when he first landed and was blowing out of his arse.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: sid1964 on September 01, 2023, 08:33:50 AM
			

			

				Monchi and his wife have a meal booked for this evening - there will be no further incomings apart from the centre half
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on September 01, 2023, 08:38:16 AM
			

			

				I'm not sure I ever really believed he'd come here but I am very interested to see where Joao Felix ends up by the end of the day. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: nigel on September 01, 2023, 08:39:23 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: olaftab on September 01, 2023, 12:08:09 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on August 31, 2023, 11:42:25 PM
As easy as it was, think tonight highlighted where we are short.  Olsen is a disaster waiting to happen and seemingly can't go through a game without making a howler of some sort.  We need Moreno to come back ASAP as we are heavily reliant on Digne at the moment, who himself is quite injury prone.  I like Duran and he has some promise, but we are going to be struggling if we are going to be relying on him to replace Watkins for a period if Ollie is out. 

It wouldn't be so bad, but our luck with injuries in recent years is generally rotten and you just know it's going to happen at some point.  I don't want to get carried away, but Manchester City aside, I think we can probably compete with the others, but a significant injury to Martinez or Watkins will hamper us so badly.  
So he’s played 135 minutes of this Euro tie and not conceded a goal but you still find a reason to criticise Olsen?

Also, the back up keeper rarely plays, so is always going to be match rusty.
The more games he plays that will disappear as his confidence grows.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on September 01, 2023, 08:40:46 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2023, 07:44:46 AM
Last night shows exactly why you need another one. Traore can't be relied on to be fit at any time, Bailey has not exactly been a pillar of fitness either. Kellyman is 17. Duran has played about 300 minutes at this level. I agree it needs to be a quality addition, but we need one more, as Emery said last night. 

What did Emery say? I must have missed it 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulTheVillan on September 01, 2023, 08:44:12 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulWinch again on September 01, 2023, 08:40:46 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2023, 07:44:46 AM
Last night shows exactly why you need another one. Traore can't be relied on to be fit at any time, Bailey has not exactly been a pillar of fitness either. Kellyman is 17. Duran has played about 300 minutes at this level. I agree it needs to be a quality addition, but we need one more, as Emery said last night. 

What did Emery say? I must have missed it 

He said Digne isn't going anywhere
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2023, 08:54:04 AM
			

			

				And that with the chance Coutinho goes we are working on one more. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on September 01, 2023, 08:54:57 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2023, 08:54:04 AM
And that with the chance Coutinho goes we are working on one more. 

Cheers, let’s hope so.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2023, 08:55:29 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on September 01, 2023, 08:38:16 AM
I'm not sure I ever really believed he'd come here but I am very interested to see where Joao Felix ends up by the end of the day. 

Barcelona, without being registered until Jan is my bet. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulTheVillan on September 01, 2023, 08:56:19 AM
			

			

				Sky Sports

Quote
AC Milan striker Divock Origi is expected to fly into the UK on Friday afternoon.

One source has told Sky Sports News that representatives held talks with Burnley and Nottingham Forest late on Thursday night over a loan deal.

Decent enough striker for Burnley/Forest.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeonW on September 01, 2023, 08:59:35 AM
			

			

				I don’t think we’re going to sign anyone of note before the window ‘slams shut.’ I think if we were going to, we would have done by now. I think the sales we’ve seen of the young players is to create financial space for the future and not necessarily an indication of an incoming. 

So here we are again, going into a season short. Maybe Duran and Kellyman are more ready than perhaps thought? Either way, I think we’ll come undone later in the season with either injuries or fatigue catching up. Even accounting for Emery’s brilliance in tactics and managing the demands of cup competitions.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2023, 09:00:07 AM
			

			

				Weird knack of scoring big goals off the bench. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on September 01, 2023, 09:08:22 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeonW on September 01, 2023, 08:59:35 AM
I don’t think we’re going to sign anyone of note before the window ‘slams shut.’ I think if we were going to, we would have done by now. I think the sales we’ve seen of the young players is to create financial space for the future and not necessarily an indication of an incoming. 

So here we are again, going into a season short. Maybe Duran and Kellyman are more ready than perhaps thought? Either way, I think we’ll come undone later in the season with either injuries or fatigue catching up. Even accounting for Emery’s brilliance in tactics and managing the demands of cup competitions.

It's only three months until the January transfer window opens. Before then we may indeed have some injuries, but we will also see the return to fitness of several players. Indeed we already have Dendonker and Traore back available (both of whom are more than good enough for back up and to play in the Europa Conference league).

We also have the chance to blood decent young players at 17/18 years old in the cups, offering a path into the team if they do well. This is better than loaning them out until they are 20-22 and selling them.

As fans we will always want more signings than we get, but better that than having a bloated mess like Chelsea.

In any event I do think we will see a player come in if Coutinho goes.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: rob_bridge on September 01, 2023, 09:10:55 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2023, 09:00:07 AM
Weird knack of scoring big goals off the bench.

David Fairclough - without the ginger hair. Mind you he is a professional footballer so may not be true all of the time.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on September 01, 2023, 09:10:59 AM
			

			

				I think it has been a good window for us, of course we could point to Back up GK RB or centre forward but we have so much talent and a great manager.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on September 01, 2023, 09:12:19 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2023, 09:00:07 AM
Weird knack of scoring big goals off the bench.
which is difficult enough so far from the pitch and so little room in the dug out.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeonW on September 01, 2023, 09:14:43 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on September 01, 2023, 09:08:22 AM
Quote from: LeonW on September 01, 2023, 08:59:35 AM
I don’t think we’re going to sign anyone of note before the window ‘slams shut.’ I think if we were going to, we would have done by now. I think the sales we’ve seen of the young players is to create financial space for the future and not necessarily an indication of an incoming. 

So here we are again, going into a season short. Maybe Duran and Kellyman are more ready than perhaps thought? Either way, I think we’ll come undone later in the season with either injuries or fatigue catching up. Even accounting for Emery’s brilliance in tactics and managing the demands of cup competitions.

It's only three months until the January transfer window opens. Before then we may indeed have some injuries, but we will also see the return to fitness of several players. Indeed we already have Dendonker and Traore back available (both of whom are more than good enough for back up and to play in the Europa Conference league).

We also have the chance to blood decent young players at 17/18 years old in the cups, offering a path into the team if they do well. This is better than loaning them out until they are 20-22 and selling them.

As fans we will always want more signings than we get, but better that than having a bloated mess like Chelsea.

In any event I do think we will see a player come in if Coutinho goes.

It’s forever ‘the next window’ that all our problems will be sorted. You can cut the club some slack for what happened to Bunedia and Mings. Nobody could have seen that coming. But we’ve needed an alternative/completion to Ollie since last January and Olsen is an awful alternative to Martinez. If one of those gets injured we’re screwed. But beyond that, assuming they stay fit, the demands you’re putting on those players to play pretty much every game will see them fatigued as the season goes on. Especially if we’re going to go deep in a cup completion or two. Plus the extra 20 minutes per game that seems to be added on right now by the officials. There’s potentially a lot of games before January to manage.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulTheVillan on September 01, 2023, 09:28:44 AM
			

			

				Sky Sports

Quote
Everton are back in talks with Leeds over the signing of Wilfried Gnonto.

The club have not given up on signing the winger, who is one of their primary targets this summer.

Leeds have maintained that he is not for sale.

Gnonto has been reintegrated into the squad after handing in a formal transfer request earlier this month.


I like this player. Shame he'll be back in the Championship next year
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2023, 09:37:41 AM
			

			

				Chelsea dropped another £45m on a 7 year contract. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on September 01, 2023, 09:38:39 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulTheVillan on September 01, 2023, 09:28:44 AM
Sky Sports

Quote
Everton are back in talks with Leeds over the signing of Wilfried Gnonto.

The club have not given up on signing the winger, who is one of their primary targets this summer.

Leeds have maintained that he is not for sale.

Gnonto has been reintegrated into the squad after handing in a formal transfer request earlier this month.


I like this player. Shame he'll be back in the Championship next year
A truck winger but a tad over rated, questionable attitude. Small man syndrome.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on September 01, 2023, 09:41:41 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulTheVillan on September 01, 2023, 09:28:44 AM
Sky Sports

Quote
Everton are back in talks with Leeds over the signing of Wilfried Gnonto.

The club have not given up on signing the winger, who is one of their primary targets this summer.

Leeds have maintained that he is not for sale.

Gnonto has been reintegrated into the squad after handing in a formal transfer request earlier this month.


I like this player. Shame he'll be back in the Championship next year

I think I'd stay at Leeds if Everton were my only other option. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2023, 09:43:39 AM
			

			

				Me too. He'll get more from a season under Farke than Dyche too. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on September 01, 2023, 10:01:01 AM
			

			

				As well as we’ve done so far in the window and as well as we’re playing I’d still hope something will happen today in addition to Longlet and especially if Coutinho goes. I’ve given up on the idea of a GK and RB as nothing seems to be in the pipeline (a mistake in my opinion and it makes letting Young go baffling) but another forward is a must considering how many unknown quantities and injury hazards we have in those positions. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on September 01, 2023, 10:30:30 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on September 01, 2023, 10:01:01 AM
As well as we’ve done so far in the window and as well as we’re playing I’d still hope something will happen today in addition to Longlet and especially if Coutinho goes. I’ve given up on the idea of a GK and RB as nothing seems to be in the pipeline (a mistake in my opinion and it makes letting Young go baffling) but another forward is a must considering how many unknown quantities and injury hazards we have in those positions.

Lenglet is the right back, he provides cover at CB which means Konsa can slide across.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villafirst on September 01, 2023, 10:38:38 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on September 01, 2023, 10:30:30 AM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on September 01, 2023, 10:01:01 AM
As well as we’ve done so far in the window and as well as we’re playing I’d still hope something will happen today in addition to Longlet and especially if Coutinho goes. I’ve given up on the idea of a GK and RB as nothing seems to be in the pipeline (a mistake in my opinion and it makes letting Young go baffling) but another forward is a must considering how many unknown quantities and injury hazards we have in those positions.

Lenglet is the right back, he provides cover at CB which means Konsa can slide across.

Lenglet is left footed
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2023, 10:39:39 AM
			

			

				But allows Konsa to be right back back up.


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on September 01, 2023, 10:41:09 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Villafirst on September 01, 2023, 10:38:38 AM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on September 01, 2023, 10:30:30 AM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on September 01, 2023, 10:01:01 AM
As well as we’ve done so far in the window and as well as we’re playing I’d still hope something will happen today in addition to Longlet and especially if Coutinho goes. I’ve given up on the idea of a GK and RB as nothing seems to be in the pipeline (a mistake in my opinion and it makes letting Young go baffling) but another forward is a must considering how many unknown quantities and injury hazards we have in those positions.

Lenglet is the right back, he provides cover at CB which means Konsa can slide across.

Lenglet is left footed

Dante knows - what he meant, albeit expressed a bit like the oracle at Delphi, is that the Lenglet signing fills the role of the right back signing as Konsa is the back up for that position.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villan82 on September 01, 2023, 10:49:40 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on September 01, 2023, 10:01:01 AM
As well as we’ve done so far in the window and as well as we’re playing I’d still hope something will happen today in addition to Longlet and especially if Coutinho goes. I’ve given up on the idea of a GK and RB as nothing seems to be in the pipeline (a mistake in my opinion and it makes letting Young go baffling) but another forward is a must considering how many unknown quantities and injury hazards we have in those positions.

Young is finished. Been poor for Everton.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on September 01, 2023, 10:59:57 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Villan82 on September 01, 2023, 10:49:40 AM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on September 01, 2023, 10:01:01 AM
As well as we’ve done so far in the window and as well as we’re playing I’d still hope something will happen today in addition to Longlet and especially if Coutinho goes. I’ve given up on the idea of a GK and RB as nothing seems to be in the pipeline (a mistake in my opinion and it makes letting Young go baffling) but another forward is a must considering how many unknown quantities and injury hazards we have in those positions.

Young is finished. Been poor for Everton.

It's quite difficult to look good in that team though tbf to him
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on September 01, 2023, 11:04:11 AM
			

			

				I was wrong when I said I thought we were done a couple of weeks ago.  Zaniolo and Lenglet is more than I expected.  One potentially very good player and a bit of cover.

Overall I think it's been a very decent window but I still think we've left ourselves light on the left and up top.  

We played Tielemans on the left last night which is something I thought they'd try, particularly against stronger teams to help give us more control.  Not his best game tbh, but if he can fill in there at a push it helps a bit.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VILLA MOLE on September 01, 2023, 11:10:37 AM
			

			

				Ramsey can play there and will be back soon and was flying before he got injured 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: sid1964 on September 01, 2023, 11:21:22 AM
			

			

				If we had 100 players - some on here would still want more, seems as though we want to be a new Chelsea reading the comments


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on September 01, 2023, 11:30:33 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: sid1964 on September 01, 2023, 11:21:22 AM
If we had 100 players - some on here would still want more, seems as though we want to be a new Chelsea reading the comments

Bit of a silly thing to say really, most people just pointing out they'd like another forward in which is pretty reasonable and still very possible. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on September 01, 2023, 11:36:10 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on September 01, 2023, 09:41:41 AM
Quote from: PaulTheVillan on September 01, 2023, 09:28:44 AM
Sky Sports

Quote
Everton are back in talks with Leeds over the signing of Wilfried Gnonto.

The club have not given up on signing the winger, who is one of their primary targets this summer.

Leeds have maintained that he is not for sale.

Gnonto has been reintegrated into the squad after handing in a formal transfer request earlier this month.


I like this player. Shame he'll be back in the Championship next year

I think I'd stay at Leeds if Everton were my only other option. 

The problem Everton have is that it appears that they have attempted to solve their goalscoring problem with funding from selling their only decent midfielder (Iwobi). One step forwards, two steps back.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on September 01, 2023, 11:36:38 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: sid1964 on September 01, 2023, 11:21:22 AM
If we had 100 players - some on here would still want more, seems as though we want to be a new Chelsea reading the comments

So on the other hand, if we do sign another forward today you'll be complaining that we've signed too many and the squad is too bloated, yes?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: lovejoy on September 01, 2023, 11:45:22 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: sid1964 on September 01, 2023, 11:21:22 AM
If we had 100 players - some on here would still want more, seems as though we want to be a new Chelsea reading the comments



Agreed, it's unrealistic expectations given ow far we have come over the last few years.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on September 01, 2023, 11:45:25 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: sid1964 on September 01, 2023, 11:21:22 AM
If we had 100 players - some on here would still want more, seems as though we want to be a new Chelsea reading the comments



People want a forward to replace the forward who is leaving.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulTheVillan on September 01, 2023, 11:46:04 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulWinch again on September 01, 2023, 11:45:25 AM
Quote from: sid1964 on September 01, 2023, 11:21:22 AM
If we had 100 players - some on here would still want more, seems as though we want to be a new Chelsea reading the comments



People want a forward to replace the forward who is leaving.

Keinan Davis? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2023, 11:50:07 AM
			

			

				Lenglet signed 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john2710 on September 01, 2023, 11:59:25 AM
			

			

				I think we're done. Of those who've gone or about to go, Archer, Ramsay A, Philogene, Davis & Couthino, their combined contribution last season was negliable & it was unlikely they'd contribute this season if they'd stayed. You could add Traore to that list.

The injuries to Ming's & Buendia have meant we've had to bring in 2 players we hadn't budgeted for. Zaniolo is the Buendia replacement / Watkins backup, alongside Duran.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on September 01, 2023, 12:01:01 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: lovejoy on September 01, 2023, 11:45:22 AM
Quote from: sid1964 on September 01, 2023, 11:21:22 AM
If we had 100 players - some on here would still want more, seems as though we want to be a new Chelsea reading the comments



Agreed, it's unrealistic expectations given ow far we have come over the last few years.
It's not unrealistic at all.  With our net spend and recent sales it's entirely plausible that we could sign a striker / winger or right back.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on September 01, 2023, 12:03:58 PM
			

			

				I’m still not sure what is unrealistic about wanting a forward in to fill a gap that’s about to appear.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Small Rodent on September 01, 2023, 12:04:40 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: john2710 on September 01, 2023, 11:59:25 AM
The injuries to Ming's & Buendia have meant we've had to bring in 2 players we hadn't budgeted for. Zaniolo is the Buendia replacement / Watkins backup, alongside Duran.

I thought Zaniolo was on the radar prior to the injury.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on September 01, 2023, 12:09:28 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Small Rodent on September 01, 2023, 12:04:40 PM
Quote from: john2710 on September 01, 2023, 11:59:25 AM
The injuries to Ming's & Buendia have meant we've had to bring in 2 players we hadn't budgeted for. Zaniolo is the Buendia replacement / Watkins backup, alongside Duran.

I thought Zaniolo was on the radar prior to the injury.

That's how good Emery is, he knew the injury was coming and prepared accordingly.  ;)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: not3bad on September 01, 2023, 12:10:30 PM
			

			

				If Coutinho goes today hopefully there will be a replacement. With Watkins, Duran, Diaby and Zaniolo we arguably have enough up front.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on September 01, 2023, 12:25:06 PM
			

			

				Everton spending £45m on Alex Iwobi when he was a promising attacker at Arsenal seemed utterly nuts.

Fulham spending £22m on him, with a year left on his contract, as a terrible central midfielder seems far more nuts.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Baldy on September 01, 2023, 12:32:22 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: not3bad on September 01, 2023, 12:10:30 PM
If Coutinho goes today hopefully there will be a replacement. With Watkins, Duran, Diaby and Zaniolo we arguably have enough up front.
And Cash.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2023, 12:41:24 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on September 01, 2023, 12:25:06 PM
Everton spending £45m on Alex Iwobi when he was a promising attacker at Arsenal seemed utterly nuts.

Fulham spending £22m on him, with a year left on his contract, as a terrible central midfielder seems far more nuts.

Imagine being a Fulham fan now and seeing Paulinha go and Iwobi come in. So depressing.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on September 01, 2023, 12:45:54 PM
			

			

				I think the lack of striker could lend some credence to the earlier window rumours that we had agreed to sign Tammy Abraham before his injury.

We have already shown that we are prepared to wait for the right player, so there may be some fire to that particular smoke...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: London Villan on September 01, 2023, 12:46:05 PM
			

			

				Don't joke - we'll probably be in the mix for him too!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on September 01, 2023, 12:47:39 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2023, 12:41:24 PM
Quote from: Dave on September 01, 2023, 12:25:06 PM
Everton spending £45m on Alex Iwobi when he was a promising attacker at Arsenal seemed utterly nuts.

Fulham spending £22m on him, with a year left on his contract, as a terrible central midfielder seems far more nuts.

Imagine being a Fulham fan now and seeing Paulinha go and Iwobi come in. So depressing.

McTominay may be the Paulinha replacement. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulTheVillan on September 01, 2023, 12:50:35 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on September 01, 2023, 12:47:39 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2023, 12:41:24 PM
Quote from: Dave on September 01, 2023, 12:25:06 PM
Everton spending £45m on Alex Iwobi when he was a promising attacker at Arsenal seemed utterly nuts.

Fulham spending £22m on him, with a year left on his contract, as a terrible central midfielder seems far more nuts.

Imagine being a Fulham fan now and seeing Paulinha go and Iwobi come in. So depressing.

McTominay may be the Paulinha replacement. 

I think McTominay is a decent enough player. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on September 01, 2023, 12:54:29 PM
			

			

				Do we need a Coutinho replacement? Given how much, or rather how little, he contributed last season, would Kellyman not do as a squad replacement? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on September 01, 2023, 12:54:40 PM
			

			

				I think he's played well against us in the past but not sure how good he is in general. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 01, 2023, 12:59:28 PM
			

			

				Liverpool have rejected a £150m offer for forward Mohamed Salah from Saudi Pro League side Al-Ittihad.

The bid was for in excess of £100m, with add-ons taking it up to £150m.

Liverpool insist the player is not for sale, and that is final as far as they are concerned.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulTheVillan on September 01, 2023, 01:00:52 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on September 01, 2023, 12:59:28 PM
Liverpool have rejected a £150m offer for forward Mohamed Salah from Saudi Pro League side Al-Ittihad.

The bid was for in excess of £100m, with add-ons taking it up to £150m.

Liverpool insist the player is not for sale, and that is final as far as they are concerned.

Would be hilarious if he kicked up a fuss and forced the move 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on September 01, 2023, 01:01:36 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on September 01, 2023, 12:54:29 PM
Do we need a Coutinho replacement? Given how much, or rather how little, he contributed last season, would Kellyman not do as a squad replacement? 

Yeah but his injury status wasn’t to goal was it? We wanted him to contribute, so that is a gap we need to fill. I would say it’s too soon to have Kellyman covering that.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on September 01, 2023, 01:05:34 PM
			

			

				
{alt}
Quote from: AV84 on September 01, 2023, 12:54:29 PM
Do we need a Coutinho replacement? Given how much, or rather how little, he contributed last season, would Kellyman not do as a squad replacement?

I don't think we do, as we've got Diaby, Zaniolo, McGinn and Ramsey who can all play that role along with Buendia when he returns.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on September 01, 2023, 01:08:31 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: tomd2103 on September 01, 2023, 01:05:34 PM
{alt}
Quote from: AV84 on September 01, 2023, 12:54:29 PM
Do we need a Coutinho replacement? Given how much, or rather how little, he contributed last season, would Kellyman not do as a squad replacement?

I don't think we do, as we've got Diaby, Zaniolo, McGinn and Ramsey who can all play that role along with Buendia when he returns. 

I'm not counting Buendia in any calculations for this season at all.  But even without I feel like we've got enough, at least to get to January and reassess then.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on September 01, 2023, 01:09:09 PM
			

			

				Moving Coutinho on frees up more than than 1 space in the squad, it gives us an elite level wage back, I think we'll try to make use of that but maybe not as a direct replacement.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on September 01, 2023, 01:13:15 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulWinch again on September 01, 2023, 01:01:36 PM
Quote from: AV84 on September 01, 2023, 12:54:29 PM
Do we need a Coutinho replacement? Given how much, or rather how little, he contributed last season, would Kellyman not do as a squad replacement? 

Yeah but his injury status wasn’t to goal was it? We wanted him to contribute, so that is a gap we need to fill. I would say it’s too soon to have Kellyman covering that.

Yeah, I'm not blaming him, but the reality of it is we're not losing a first team regular starter who played 90 minutes every game for us. But I see what you're saying, that is what he was supposed to be. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on September 01, 2023, 01:36:42 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: tomd2103 on September 01, 2023, 01:05:34 PM
{alt}
Quote from: AV84 on September 01, 2023, 12:54:29 PM
Do we need a Coutinho replacement? Given how much, or rather how little, he contributed last season, would Kellyman not do as a squad replacement?

I don't think we do, as we've got Diaby, Zaniolo, McGinn and Ramsey who can all play that role along with Buendia when he returns.  

Bailey too, with Traore adding some depth. 

Quote from: AV84 on September 01, 2023, 01:08:31 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on September 01, 2023, 01:05:34 PM
{alt}
Quote from: AV84 on September 01, 2023, 12:54:29 PM
Do we need a Coutinho replacement? Given how much, or rather how little, he contributed last season, would Kellyman not do as a squad replacement?

I don't think we do, as we've got Diaby, Zaniolo, McGinn and Ramsey who can all play that role along with Buendia when he returns. 

I'm not counting Buendia in any calculations for this season at all.  But even without I feel like we've got enough, at least to get to January and reassess then.

Mings and Buendia will hopefully be back in training in February so I wouldn't rule them out coming back into the equation for maybe the last part of the season. If we're doing well without them, they could bring a nice boost to morale and options. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on September 01, 2023, 01:44:18 PM
			

			

				Brennan Johnson to Spurs - damn. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on September 01, 2023, 02:01:29 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulTheVillan on September 01, 2023, 12:50:35 PM
Quote from: OCD on September 01, 2023, 12:47:39 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2023, 12:41:24 PM
Quote from: Dave on September 01, 2023, 12:25:06 PM
Everton spending £45m on Alex Iwobi when he was a promising attacker at Arsenal seemed utterly nuts.

Fulham spending £22m on him, with a year left on his contract, as a terrible central midfielder seems far more nuts.

Imagine being a Fulham fan now and seeing Paulinha go and Iwobi come in. So depressing.

McTominay may be the Paulinha replacement. 

I think McTominay is a decent enough player.

He's not remotely in Paulinha's class though, definitely not a 6 struggled horribly in the McFred setup. Always thought he might do well in a 8 scoring a few goals, decent athlete but very limited.

Silva has done well to get the careers of Leno & Willian turned around but they had a tough summer with the Saudis trying to get Silva and Mitrovic. They will do very well to stay up.

Iwobi (after a hamstring injury) and McTominay reek of desperation. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on September 01, 2023, 02:17:02 PM
			

			

				Brentford have signed Maupay on loan from Everton. That's an odd one. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: London Villan on September 01, 2023, 02:21:46 PM
			

			

				He's a poor man's Buendia - just as grumpy too.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on September 01, 2023, 02:22:45 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on September 01, 2023, 02:17:02 PM
Brentford have signed Maupay on loan from Everton. That's an odd one.

Has to be one of the worst signings of the window, strange decision.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Nev on September 01, 2023, 02:25:18 PM
			

			

				Whenever Iwobi moves clubs it becomes, by default, the worst signing of the window.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on September 01, 2023, 02:27:16 PM
			

			

				I think it's pretty close, they're both shite.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulTheVillan on September 01, 2023, 02:31:35 PM
			

			

				RAWK have locked their Salah thread. Brilliant.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on September 01, 2023, 02:34:22 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on September 01, 2023, 12:25:06 PM
Everton spending £45m on Alex Iwobi when he was a promising attacker at Arsenal seemed utterly nuts.

Fulham spending £22m on him, with a year left on his contract, as a terrible central midfielder seems far more nuts.
Christ, £22m for Iwobi?  I suppose that's relegation rival tax, but crazy all the same.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: FatSam on September 01, 2023, 02:36:33 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on September 01, 2023, 02:17:02 PM
Brentford have signed Maupay on loan from Everton. That's an odd one.
They sell him for £20m and then get him back in on loan 4 years later.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: CT Villan on September 01, 2023, 02:37:15 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: villadelph on September 01, 2023, 01:44:18 PM
Brennan Johnson to Spurs - damn. 
 
£45m !
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on September 01, 2023, 02:38:05 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulTheVillan on September 01, 2023, 02:31:35 PM
RAWK have locked their Salah thread. Brilliant.
To be honest it would annoy me if they got £175m for a 31 year old.  But what price wrecking your season on the last day of the transfer window?

I'd also be concerned that they may want to spend a chunk of it on Dougie.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 01, 2023, 02:39:00 PM
			

			

				Be even funnier if they end up selling him after our window shuts. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: villadelph on September 01, 2023, 02:40:21 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on September 01, 2023, 02:39:00 PM
Be even funnier if he they end up selling him after our window shuts.

I don't think Ittihad are going to just give up if they're already up to 150m, and their window closes in a week. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 01, 2023, 02:40:39 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on September 01, 2023, 02:38:05 PM
Quote from: PaulTheVillan on September 01, 2023, 02:31:35 PM
RAWK have locked their Salah thread. Brilliant.

To be honest it would annoy me if they got £175m for a 31 year old.  But what price wrecking your season on the last day of the transfer window?

I'd also be concerned that they may want to spend a chunk of it on Dougie.

Agreed, would prefer if they didn't get it even if he is great player.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on September 01, 2023, 02:40:59 PM
			

			

				Is it just coincidence that Liverpool are the team seemingly being "targeted" the most by Saudi clubs this window? Does it benefit anyone in our own league to have them destabilised to such a degree?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: CT Villan on September 01, 2023, 02:41:43 PM
			

			

				Makes a pleasant change that Liverpool are on the receiving end of the player unsettling. It'd be great if he goes today, Liverpool would be in meltdown.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: lovejoy on September 01, 2023, 02:44:11 PM
			

			

				Last time something like this happened they swapped a top form Torres for Andy Carroll.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on September 01, 2023, 02:47:03 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: lovejoy on September 01, 2023, 02:44:11 PM
Last time something like this happened they swapped a top form Torres for Andy Carroll.
That was hilarious.  What did they pay, £40m or something crazy like that?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villafirst on September 01, 2023, 02:47:30 PM
			

			

				Chelsea still spending insane amounts. I really don't get how they hope to avoid FFP regulations.
Villa's spending in this window will be quite modest in comparison! Anyone worked out our net spend so far for this window. I doubt it exceeds £40m??
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rory on September 01, 2023, 02:48:52 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: lovejoy on August 31, 2023, 11:10:31 AM
Who uses cash these days?

Numismatists (me).
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 01, 2023, 02:50:15 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on September 01, 2023, 02:40:59 PM
Is it just coincidence that Liverpool are the team seemingly being "targeted" the most by Saudi clubs this window? Does it benefit anyone in our own league to have them destabilised to such a degree?

I think you might be reading a bit too much into it. Probably just that their players are a bit more high profile.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on September 01, 2023, 02:52:10 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on September 01, 2023, 02:50:15 PM
Quote from: AV84 on September 01, 2023, 02:40:59 PM
Is it just coincidence that Liverpool are the team seemingly being "targeted" the most by Saudi clubs this window? Does it benefit anyone in our own league to have them destabilised to such a degree?

I think you might be reading a bit too much into it. Probably just that their players are a bit more high profile.

I mean yeah, I did think that too, and I don't think the potential benefactors of Saudi interference would be that bothered about Liverpool specifically. 

Is Jordan Henderson high profile though? 🤔
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on September 01, 2023, 02:52:30 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Villafirst on September 01, 2023, 02:47:30 PM
Chelsea still spending insane amounts. I really don't get how they hope to avoid FFP regulations.

Because they are recouping hundreds of millions on youth team players. 

There's virtually nothing they can do this summer that will screw them for FFP. It's the next seven summers that will (hopefully) screw them.

They need to keep selling youth team players at the current levels for half a decade to pay for what they've done for the last year or so.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: lovejoy on September 01, 2023, 02:57:13 PM
			

			

				Exactly, for the big signings whilst they can spread the cost over a number of years (5 max if in Europe), those costs are locked in (absent any sales - which may cause issues by crystallising losses). The trick of selling the youth players for tens of millions can only get you so far.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on September 01, 2023, 03:00:41 PM
			

			

				Felix to Barca
Johnson to Spurs

I'm pretty sure we're done.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on September 01, 2023, 03:03:37 PM
			

			

				We've had a really good summer transfer window wise, but I can't help but think that yet again we've left ourselves undercooked up front. Yes we can try a combination of Diaby/Zaniolo/Bailey if Watkins gets injured, but that really is a lot of square pegs in round holes, and far from ideal.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on September 01, 2023, 03:04:56 PM
			

			

				Coutinho getting done means one more coming in. I’m convinced of it. Emery as much as suggested it. Deadline day will be interesting 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on September 01, 2023, 03:06:59 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on September 01, 2023, 03:03:37 PM
We've had a really good summer transfer window wise, but I can't help but think that yet again we've left ourselves undercooked up front. Yes we can try a combination of Diaby/Zaniolo/Bailey if Watkins gets injured, but that really is a lot of square pegs in round holes, and far from ideal.
It's always the way Risso.  But there's always the next transfer window (except that there isn't as everyone knows you can't get the players you want in Jan and it's better to wait until the summer)...

But seriously I agree, we've done well and Diaby could be a superstar.  Duran will have to step up if the worst happens to Ollie.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on September 01, 2023, 03:09:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on September 01, 2023, 03:04:56 PM
Coutinho getting done means one more coming in. I’m convinced of it. Emery as much as suggested it. Deadline day will be interesting 

Well it’ll be finished soon so we’d better hurry up.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Nev on September 01, 2023, 03:11:21 PM
			

			

				Had SSN on today and I've learned:

Some players are determined
Some players are durable
Some players are energetic
Some players are lively
Clubs won't sign players without carrying out a medical on said player first
A move to Spurs is a "dream move"
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Olneythelonely on September 01, 2023, 03:12:40 PM
			

			

				Think we’re about to find out if there’s a chance of anymore. He’s just done his press conference 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: N'ZMAV on September 01, 2023, 03:13:06 PM
			

			

				"TalkSport Understands" means they've been reading twitter and newsnow.

That Alex Crook is a Crook. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on September 01, 2023, 03:14:27 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on September 01, 2023, 03:04:56 PM
Coutinho getting done means one more coming in. I’m convinced of it. Emery as much as suggested it. Deadline day will be interesting 

Today IS deadline day!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Olneythelonely on September 01, 2023, 03:14:32 PM
			

			

				No other signing expected 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on September 01, 2023, 03:22:39 PM
			

			

				I've just finalised my FPL teams so if everyone could just stay where they are now, please and thanks. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bad English on September 01, 2023, 03:23:32 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: lovejoy on August 31, 2023, 11:10:31 AM
Who uses cash these days?
Unai Emery. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on September 01, 2023, 03:23:44 PM
			

			

				Sounds like that's it.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: UK Redsox on September 01, 2023, 03:24:55 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: lovejoy on September 01, 2023, 02:57:13 PM
Exactly, for the big signings whilst they can spread the cost over a number of years (5 max if in Europe), those costs are locked in (absent any sales - which may cause issues by crystallising losses). The trick of selling the youth players for tens of millions can only get you so far.

...or a Havertz type sale, where most of the purchase price had already been written down but they still got back what they paid for him
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on September 01, 2023, 03:27:35 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on September 01, 2023, 03:23:44 PM
Sounds like that's it.

Disappointing if Coutinho is leaving. Overall a good window, but do think we’re light up top.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on September 01, 2023, 03:42:19 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulWinch again on September 01, 2023, 03:27:35 PM
Quote from: Risso on September 01, 2023, 03:23:44 PM
Sounds like that's it.

Disappointing if Coutinho is leaving. Overall a good window, but do think we’re light up top.

Emery just said its almost done...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: N'ZMAV on September 01, 2023, 03:45:22 PM
			

			

				it's a lot of wages off the wage bill for a bit-part player. It makes sense.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on September 01, 2023, 03:47:41 PM
			

			

				It's a lean squad but we can mitigate some of the potential fatigue by getting out of the cups early.  We've been done a dirty by not getting Man U away in the third round, but even so we can hope for them in the next round.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 01, 2023, 03:58:12 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on September 01, 2023, 03:47:41 PM
It's a lean squad but we can mitigate some of the potential fatigue by getting out of the cups early.  We've been done a dirty by not getting Man U away in the third round, but even so we can hope for them in the next round.

We see off games against inferior opposition at walking pace, we should be okay. We followed up our opening day defeat with four training games.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on September 01, 2023, 04:02:15 PM
			

			

				I know it's been said 100s of times already...but I really can't believe we have retained Olsen as second choice for this season. He is genuinely awful. Aside from that
- without Mings we have a real lack of pace in our other LCB options, great to see Carlos do so well v Burnley, worried a bit about Torres and don't agree with Lenglet signing
- don't see an obvious challenger for McGinn and Ramsey for those midfield spots on the sides, was hoping A Ramsey could have been one but Emery clearly doesn't agree. Tielemans has had a slow start in his cameos and needs to improve. Good to get the Donk back involved, he has his uses
- Duran as backup to Watkins seems a serious gamble and a bit reckless in truth. Again Emery obviously didn't rate Archer highly
- Diaby looks a big addition, lot more direct than Bailey. Even when not going well he looks dangerous so far and quick
- Zaniolo - nice touches on his debut anyway but was hoping for big things from Buendia this year, he's definitely a loss
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on September 01, 2023, 04:05:44 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on September 01, 2023, 03:00:41 PM
Felix to Barca
Johnson to Spurs

I'm pretty sure we're done.

Ferran Torres to us, loan with an option. He’ll be further down the pecking order with the arrival of Felix?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on September 01, 2023, 04:07:08 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on September 01, 2023, 04:05:44 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on September 01, 2023, 03:00:41 PM
Felix to Barca
Johnson to Spurs

I'm pretty sure we're done.

Ferran Torres to us, loan with an option. He’ll be further down the pecking order with the arrival of Felix?

Fingers crossed.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: London Villan on September 01, 2023, 04:09:30 PM
			

			

				For the first time in a long time, I trust the manager is doing what he wants and feels he needs. 

Emery is in full control of this, and if he is happy with what we are doing then that's good enough for me.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on September 01, 2023, 04:11:07 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: brontebilly on September 01, 2023, 04:02:15 PM
I know it's been said 100s of times already...but I really can't believe we have retained Olsen as second choice for this season. He is genuinely awful. Aside from that
- without Mings we have a real lack of pace in our other LCB options, great to see Carlos do so well v Burnley, worried a bit about Torres and don't agree with Lenglet signing
- don't see an obvious challenger for McGinn and Ramsey for those midfield spots on the sides, was hoping A Ramsey could have been one but Emery clearly doesn't agree. Tielemans has had a slow start in his cameos and needs to improve. Good to get the Donk back involved, he has his uses
- Duran as backup to Watkins seems a serious gamble and a bit reckless in truth. Again Emery obviously didn't rate Archer highly
- Diaby looks a big addition, lot more direct than Bailey. Even when not going well he looks dangerous so far and quick
- Zaniolo - nice touches on his debut anyway but was hoping for big things from Buendia this year, he's definitely a loss

You’re a harsh task master Bronte. Even in praising Diaby you reference “even when not doing well” - he’s got two goals and an assist in 3 Premier League starts! 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: not3bad on September 01, 2023, 04:11:30 PM
			

			

				Once Ramsey and Moreno are back the squad depth will look much better.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on September 01, 2023, 04:13:47 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on September 01, 2023, 04:05:44 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on September 01, 2023, 03:00:41 PM
Felix to Barca
Johnson to Spurs

I'm pretty sure we're done.

Ferran Torres to us, loan with an option. He’ll be further down the pecking order with the arrival of Felix?

we can't loan any more players
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: London Villan on September 01, 2023, 04:15:46 PM
			

			

				Apparently we can.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on September 01, 2023, 04:16:08 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: villadelph on September 01, 2023, 01:44:18 PM
Brennan Johnson to Spurs - damn.

Yeah think we might regret that one (if we were seriously in the race to sign him) as I think he is quality.  Think the way we play would have suited him perfectly and although he would have been back up to Watkins to begin with, I think he has potentially got a higher ceiling than him.  

Signing him would have made it a very good transfer window.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: N'ZMAV on September 01, 2023, 04:18:11 PM
			

			

				2 is the limit for domestic loans
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: N'ZMAV on September 01, 2023, 04:18:21 PM
			

			

				but not sure on what it is for loans from abroad 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on September 01, 2023, 04:19:07 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulWinch again on September 01, 2023, 04:11:07 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on September 01, 2023, 04:02:15 PM
I know it's been said 100s of times already...but I really can't believe we have retained Olsen as second choice for this season. He is genuinely awful. Aside from that
- without Mings we have a real lack of pace in our other LCB options, great to see Carlos do so well v Burnley, worried a bit about Torres and don't agree with Lenglet signing
- don't see an obvious challenger for McGinn and Ramsey for those midfield spots on the sides, was hoping A Ramsey could have been one but Emery clearly doesn't agree. Tielemans has had a slow start in his cameos and needs to improve. Good to get the Donk back involved, he has his uses
- Duran as backup to Watkins seems a serious gamble and a bit reckless in truth. Again Emery obviously didn't rate Archer highly
- Diaby looks a big addition, lot more direct than Bailey. Even when not going well he looks dangerous so far and quick
- Zaniolo - nice touches on his debut anyway but was hoping for big things from Buendia this year, he's definitely a loss

You’re a harsh task master Bronte. Even in praising Diaby you reference “even when not doing well” - he’s got two goals and an assist in 3 Premier League starts!

Didn't think he was all that in Burnley...but still a cracking assist and goal 🤷‍♂️. I do like that he turns quickly on the ball and is direct. We needed that. I think we will get a bit more out of Bailey this season too.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Paul.S on September 01, 2023, 04:20:53 PM
			

			

				I’m quite happy with the squad as it stands.
Maybe due to the fact we’ll be playing a lot more games we could’ve done with 1 or 2 more but Emery seems to have a plan for every eventuality. We are stronger than last season in forward area’s even having lost Buendia for the season and potentially Couthino.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: N'ZMAV on September 01, 2023, 04:24:46 PM
			

			

				Moreno, Ramsey, Traore, Chambers and Dendoncker will all add vaulable depth and versitility. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 01, 2023, 04:30:55 PM
			

			

				Olsen the big worry for me. He’s an absolute clown.

Not bothered about a right-back, although it would have been easily solved by keeping Young.

A centre-forward would have been ideal world territory.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: timeoutbigbar on September 01, 2023, 04:45:40 PM
			

			

				I'm pretty happy with the business but we're a Watkins injury away from being screwed, just as we were second half of last season.  I find it strange that we haven't adressed this.  For all their many talents, Diaby, Bailey, Zaniolo are not focal point strikers and its probably too early to rely on Duran for any length of time.  
  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Proposition Joe on September 01, 2023, 04:47:16 PM
			

			

				I still can't believe Al-Citihad got 40m for one of their youth players. Chelsea really helping them with their FFP it seems.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2023, 04:57:59 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Proposition Joe on September 01, 2023, 04:47:16 PM
I still can't believe Al-Citihad got 40m for one of their youth players. Chelsea really helping them with their FFP it seems.

20m for Trafford, too. 

£60m for homegrown players, only one of whom has troubled the first team much.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on September 01, 2023, 05:03:02 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: timeoutbigbar on September 01, 2023, 04:45:40 PM
I'm pretty happy with the business but we're a Watkins injury away from being screwed, just as we were second half of last season.  I find it strange that we haven't adressed this.  For all their many talents, Diaby, Bailey, Zaniolo are not focal point strikers and its probably too early to rely on Duran for any length of time.  
  

I think Emery would happily play Diaby and Zaniolo together in Watkins' absence. Last season Bailey played a lot where Diaby is too. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ADVILLAFAN on September 01, 2023, 05:04:29 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: N'ZMAV on September 01, 2023, 04:18:21 PM
but not sure on what it is for loans from abroad 

Is it 3 in total?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 01, 2023, 05:12:46 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2023, 04:57:59 PM
Quote from: Proposition Joe on September 01, 2023, 04:47:16 PM
I still can't believe Al-Citihad got 40m for one of their youth players. Chelsea really helping them with their FFP it seems.

20m for Trafford, too. 

£60m for homegrown players, only one of whom has troubled the first team much.

Chelsea, Newcastle, Man City seem to be helping each other out. Liverpool getting disrupted.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on September 01, 2023, 05:20:34 PM
			

			

				What's going on with Palhinha? Romano says he'd done his medicals, had photos taken in the shirt, but now the deal has collapsed?

Edit - apparently Fulham let him go to Germany for the medical while they were still negotiating the deal. German window has now closed and no confirmation that deal was reached. Bayern apparently saying it wasn't. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 01, 2023, 05:23:23 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on September 01, 2023, 05:20:34 PM
What's going on with Palhinha? Romano says he'd done his medicals, had photos taken in the shirt, but now the deal has collapsed?

Did all that before agreeing the fee, and the German window ended at 5pm. So that might have been something to do with it?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on September 01, 2023, 05:28:30 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: tomd2103 on September 01, 2023, 04:16:08 PM
Quote from: villadelph on September 01, 2023, 01:44:18 PM
Brennan Johnson to Spurs - damn.

Yeah think we might regret that one (if we were seriously in the race to sign him) as I think he is quality.  Think the way we play would have suited him perfectly and although he would have been back up to Watkins to begin with, I think he has potentially got a higher ceiling than him.  

Signing him would have made it a very good transfer window.

They made it very clear all window what they wanted for him so if he'd been top priority we could have had him in weeks ago. So either we weren't interested at all or Emery doesn't think he's worth the money. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: jwarry on September 01, 2023, 05:41:43 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on September 01, 2023, 05:23:23 PM
Quote from: AV84 on September 01, 2023, 05:20:34 PM
What's going on with Palhinha? Romano says he'd done his medicals, had photos taken in the shirt, but now the deal has collapsed?

Did all that before agreeing the fee, and the German window ended at 5pm. So that might have been something to do with it?

Seems it was dependent on McTominay replacing him but he changed his mind at the last minute 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on September 01, 2023, 05:47:24 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: tomd2103 on September 01, 2023, 04:16:08 PM
Quote from: villadelph on September 01, 2023, 01:44:18 PM
Brennan Johnson to Spurs - damn.

Yeah think we might regret that one (if we were seriously in the race to sign him) as I think he is quality.  Think the way we play would have suited him perfectly and although he would have been back up to Watkins to begin with, I think he has potentially got a higher ceiling than him.  

Signing him would have made it a very good transfer window.
I dont think he is a number 9, we have Diaby and Zanolio.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on September 01, 2023, 05:48:03 PM
			

			

				Spurs just didn't bother signing a striker, I guess.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Goldenballs on September 01, 2023, 05:58:09 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ChicagoLion on September 01, 2023, 05:47:24 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on September 01, 2023, 04:16:08 PM
Quote from: villadelph on September 01, 2023, 01:44:18 PM
Brennan Johnson to Spurs - damn.

Yeah think we might regret that one (if we were seriously in the race to sign him) as I think he is quality.  Think the way we play would have suited him perfectly and although he would have been back up to Watkins to begin with, I think he has potentially got a higher ceiling than him.  

Signing him would have made it a very good transfer window.
I dont think he is a number 9, we have Diaby and Zanolio.

I think he can play 9, but similar to how Watkins played before Emery got him to stay more central. I really thought we'd be in for him, bit of a bummer. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dorsetvillian on September 01, 2023, 05:58:47 PM
			

			

				Nor did we. Two attacking players but no one who can do what Watkins does. Think this will come back to haunt us.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: N'ZMAV on September 01, 2023, 05:59:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: dorsetvillian on September 01, 2023, 05:58:47 PM
Nor did we. Two attacking players but no one who can do what Watkins does. Think this will come back to haunt us.
 Maybe Duran can?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on September 01, 2023, 06:02:04 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: dorsetvillian on September 01, 2023, 05:58:47 PM
Nor did we. Two attacking players but no one who can do what Watkins does. Think this will come back to haunt us.

We didn't sell Watkins though, so it's not really the same. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on September 01, 2023, 06:07:44 PM
			

			

				Zych won't be able to take a spot on the bench. He's going back to Poland in a loan move. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Goldenballs on September 01, 2023, 06:08:01 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: N'ZMAV on September 01, 2023, 05:59:18 PM
Quote from: dorsetvillian on September 01, 2023, 05:58:47 PM
Nor did we. Two attacking players but no one who can do what Watkins does. Think this will come back to haunt us.
 Maybe Duran can?

Unlikely, I'd say. He's very raw. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on September 01, 2023, 06:22:42 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on September 01, 2023, 06:07:44 PM
Zych won't be able to take a spot on the bench. He's going back to Poland in a loan move.

How many is that we have out on loan now? Sinisalo, Zych, Sanson, Azaz, Kesler-Hayden, Barry..... is that everyone? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 01, 2023, 06:27:04 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on September 01, 2023, 06:22:42 PM
Quote from: OCD on September 01, 2023, 06:07:44 PM
Zych won't be able to take a spot on the bench. He's going back to Poland in a loan move.

How many is that we have out on loan now? Sinisalo, Zych, Sanson, Azaz, Kesler-Hayden, Barry..... is that everyone?

One’s gone today. Sorry I can’t be more helpful.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on September 01, 2023, 06:40:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ChicagoLion on September 01, 2023, 05:47:24 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on September 01, 2023, 04:16:08 PM
Quote from: villadelph on September 01, 2023, 01:44:18 PM
Brennan Johnson to Spurs - damn.

Yeah think we might regret that one (if we were seriously in the race to sign him) as I think he is quality.  Think the way we play would have suited him perfectly and although he would have been back up to Watkins to begin with, I think he has potentially got a higher ceiling than him.  

Signing him would have made it a very good transfer window.
I dont think he is a number 9, we have Diaby and Zanolio.

He is pretty similar to Watkins in a lot of ways, just maybe doesn't have the physicality Ollie has at the moment.  He can play centrally and is good at playing off the shoulders of defenders in that position.

£40m + is a lot of money to pay for a back up striker though and maybe that was the thinking In the end.  They must have faith in Duran, so let's see how he gets on.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on September 01, 2023, 06:49:21 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on September 01, 2023, 06:27:04 PM
Quote from: AV84 on September 01, 2023, 06:22:42 PM
Quote from: OCD on September 01, 2023, 06:07:44 PM
Zych won't be able to take a spot on the bench. He's going back to Poland in a loan move.

How many is that we have out on loan now? Sinisalo, Zych, Sanson, Azaz, Kesler-Hayden, Barry..... is that everyone?

One’s gone today. Sorry I can’t be more helpful.

The one you're referring to is Chisom Afoka going to Bradford. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on September 01, 2023, 06:51:13 PM
			

			

				Wolves now in for Che Adams. They must be dying over there.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2023, 06:56:59 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on September 01, 2023, 06:51:13 PM
Wolves now in for Che Adams. They must be dying over there.

Jesus Mary, imagine that, watching your club desperate to sign Che Adams, and looking at the clock thinking "please please please make the window end before it goes through". 

Ha ha ha, how do you like them apples, you mind the gap wankers?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2023, 06:59:07 PM
			

			

				Just been looking at an Udinese forum.

Mrs came in whilst i was looking:

"what's that you're looking at?" 
"an Udinese forum"
"what or who is Udinese?"
"an unsuccessful Italian football team"

*look of sheer bewilderment*

Anyway, to say they're not happy at signing Keinan is the understatement of the window.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john2710 on September 01, 2023, 07:02:00 PM
			

			

				I've got to say I smell a rat with the Saudi's putting a bid in for Salah on deadline day. Of course it could be just a coincidence & maybe they couldn't get the player they wanted for £150m, so switched to Salah. 

Any word on Couthino?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on September 01, 2023, 07:05:37 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on September 01, 2023, 06:49:21 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on September 01, 2023, 06:27:04 PM
Quote from: AV84 on September 01, 2023, 06:22:42 PM
Quote from: OCD on September 01, 2023, 06:07:44 PM
Zych won't be able to take a spot on the bench. He's going back to Poland in a loan move.

How many is that we have out on loan now? Sinisalo, Zych, Sanson, Azaz, Kesler-Hayden, Barry..... is that everyone?

One’s gone today. Sorry I can’t be more helpful.

The one you're referring to is Chisom Afoka going to Bradford.

That's 7 then, which I think, but am open to correction, is the limit for how many a team can loan out now? I wonder if that had any bearing on us selling Ramsey, Archer etc. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on September 01, 2023, 07:10:54 PM
			

			

				The limit is 7 players for this season (6 for next season). However, players aged 21 and younger and club-trained players (those who have spent three seasons with their current club between ages of 15 and 21) can be loaned outside of the limit. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2023, 07:13:34 PM
			

			

				If Liverpool get 150m plus for Salah, their owners are going to pocket a nice chunk of that rather than make it available for transfers, I suspect.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulTheVillan on September 01, 2023, 07:18:37 PM
			

			

				Shay Given saying Salah’s move to Saudi could secure his kids future. 

Because the £350k a week he’s on now can’t do that? 

Fk off. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2023, 07:23:23 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulTheVillan on September 01, 2023, 07:18:37 PM
Shay Given saying Salah’s move to Saudi could secure his kids future. 

Because the £350k a week he’s on now can’t do that? 

Fk off. 

That's pretty fucking insensitive stuff from the moron cossetted former footballer.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on September 01, 2023, 07:32:58 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2023, 06:56:59 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on September 01, 2023, 06:51:13 PM
Wolves now in for Che Adams. They must be dying over there.

Jesus Mary, imagine that, watching your club desperate to sign Che Adams, and looking at the clock thinking "please please please make the window end before it goes through". 

Ha ha ha, how do you like them apples, you mind the gap wankers?

Less of a gap, more of a trapdoor, towards relegation. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on September 01, 2023, 07:35:13 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2023, 07:23:23 PM
Quote from: PaulTheVillan on September 01, 2023, 07:18:37 PM
Shay Given saying Salah’s move to Saudi could secure his kids future. 

Because the £350k a week he’s on now can’t do that? 

Fk off. 

That's pretty fucking insensitive stuff from the moron cossetted former footballer.

I always find it odd when footballers justify themselves or colleagues with that rationale.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: jwarry on September 01, 2023, 07:36:52 PM
			

			

				Looks like Felix is getting his wish to go to Barca. Was really hoping they would cock it up and he would end up at VP
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on September 01, 2023, 07:39:22 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on September 01, 2023, 07:32:58 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2023, 06:56:59 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on September 01, 2023, 06:51:13 PM
Wolves now in for Che Adams. They must be dying over there.

Jesus Mary, imagine that, watching your club desperate to sign Che Adams, and looking at the clock thinking "please please please make the window end before it goes through". 

Ha ha ha, how do you like them apples, you mind the gap wankers?

Less of a gap, more of a trapdoor, towards relegation.

Trap door?

More like Valles Marineris...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on September 01, 2023, 07:39:42 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: jwarry on September 01, 2023, 07:36:52 PM
Looks like Felix is getting his wish to go to Barca. Was really hoping they would cock it up and he would end up at VP

As said earlier though it might free up ferran torres to move and, if so, I think I'd prefer him in our squad.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on September 01, 2023, 07:40:19 PM
			

			

				Torres seems to be working his way back into the Barca squad and playing quite well  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on September 01, 2023, 07:43:29 PM
			

			

				Some Barca fans are turning their opinion of him to positive & started nicknaming him "The Phoenix", so I don't think he will be going anywhere...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on September 01, 2023, 07:57:37 PM
			

			

				Apparently that Abde Ezzalzouli one might still be a goer according to various Spanish outlets.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on September 01, 2023, 08:00:00 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on September 01, 2023, 07:57:37 PM
Apparently that Abde Ezzalzouli one might still be a goer according to various Spanish outlets.

I’m guessing it hinges a bit on Coutinho leaving. Would be nice to get both settled and we close a successful window.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on September 01, 2023, 08:02:08 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Toronto Villa on September 01, 2023, 08:00:00 PM
Quote from: Dave on September 01, 2023, 07:57:37 PM
Apparently that Abde Ezzalzouli one might still be a goer according to various Spanish outlets.

I’m guessing it hinges a bit on Coutinho leaving. Would be nice to get both settled and we close a successful window.

Don't see why the Qataris need to bother rushing tonight given they've got another couple of weeks.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on September 01, 2023, 08:02:37 PM
			

			

				Barca doing lots of last minute business tonight. Real Betis apparently agreed a deal for Abde though. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on September 01, 2023, 08:06:54 PM
			

			

				Forest spending the Johnson money before the cheque has even cleared. 35mil for Sangaré from PSV 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Holy Trinity on September 01, 2023, 08:11:15 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on September 01, 2023, 08:06:54 PM
Forest spending the Johnson money before the cheque has even cleared. 35mil for Sangaré from PSV 

Hes a fantastic player! Great signing for forest if they pull it off.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on September 01, 2023, 08:11:31 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on September 01, 2023, 08:06:54 PM
Forest spending the Johnson money before the cheque has even cleared. 35mil for Sangaré from PSV 

Good player and wise from a FFP perspective (which is shit but now a thing). 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 01, 2023, 08:16:32 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on September 01, 2023, 08:11:31 PM
Quote from: AV84 on September 01, 2023, 08:06:54 PM
Forest spending the Johnson money before the cheque has even cleared. 35mil for Sangaré from PSV 

Good player and wise from a FFP perspective (which is shit but now a thing). 

The accent on his surname would have caused lots of arguments about how to pronounce it correctly. We've enough of that already. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on September 01, 2023, 08:33:07 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on September 01, 2023, 08:02:08 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on September 01, 2023, 08:00:00 PM
Quote from: Dave on September 01, 2023, 07:57:37 PM
Apparently that Abde Ezzalzouli one might still be a goer according to various Spanish outlets.

I’m guessing it hinges a bit on Coutinho leaving. Would be nice to get both settled and we close a successful window.

Don't see why the Qataris need to bother rushing tonight given they've got another couple of weeks.

I’m surprised they’ve even got a window they got so much money they normally do what they want 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on September 01, 2023, 08:35:13 PM
			

			

				Monchi.negotiating with Barça whilst Unai trying to convince Ezzalzouli apparently 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on September 01, 2023, 08:38:50 PM
			

			

				I'm happy enough with who we have but a little last minute deadline day action would be fun!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on September 01, 2023, 08:40:05 PM
			

			

				Kasper Schmeichel is a free agent as of 5 minutes ago..... 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on September 01, 2023, 08:40:14 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on September 01, 2023, 08:02:08 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on September 01, 2023, 08:00:00 PM
Quote from: Dave on September 01, 2023, 07:57:37 PM
Apparently that Abde Ezzalzouli one might still be a goer according to various Spanish outlets.

I’m guessing it hinges a bit on Coutinho leaving. Would be nice to get both settled and we close a successful window.

Don't see why the Qataris need to bother rushing tonight given they've got another couple of weeks.

No the onus is on us to get something done or at least have some kind of guarantee it does get done on the Qatari side of there is any kind of FFP link between the two deals.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 01, 2023, 08:50:27 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on September 01, 2023, 08:40:05 PM
Kasper Schmeichel is a free agent as of 5 minutes ago..... 

Heard that on R5 Live, and that Newcastle might be in for Hugo Lloris.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on September 01, 2023, 08:55:40 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulTheVillan on September 01, 2023, 07:18:37 PM
Shay Given saying Salah’s move to Saudi could secure his kids future. 

Because the £350k a week he’s on now can’t do that? 

Fk off.
Won't somebody think of the children?!?


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Goldenballs on September 01, 2023, 08:55:49 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on September 01, 2023, 08:40:05 PM
Kasper Schmeichel is a free agent as of 5 minutes ago..... 

What's gone on there then? 11 clean sheets in 36. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on September 01, 2023, 08:56:57 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: algy on September 01, 2023, 08:55:40 PM
Quote from: PaulTheVillan on September 01, 2023, 07:18:37 PM
Shay Given saying Salah’s move to Saudi could secure his kids future. 

Because the £350k a week he’s on now can’t do that? 

Fk off.
Won't somebody think of the children?!?

I think Shay forgets not everyone left their wife for a young one and has two sets of kids to support. I'm sure Salah's Liverpool salary does him fine.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on September 01, 2023, 08:58:42 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Goldenballs on September 01, 2023, 08:55:49 PM
Quote from: AV84 on September 01, 2023, 08:40:05 PM
Kasper Schmeichel is a free agent as of 5 minutes ago..... 

What's gone on there then? 11 clean sheets in 36.

What's on the BBC feed sounds like they were wanting to sell him, or he wanted to leave, but nothing happened during the window, so they've mutually agreed to terminate the contract so he can find a new club outside the transfer window. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on September 01, 2023, 09:02:36 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on September 01, 2023, 08:56:57 PM
Quote from: algy on September 01, 2023, 08:55:40 PM
Quote from: PaulTheVillan on September 01, 2023, 07:18:37 PM
Shay Given saying Salah’s move to Saudi could secure his kids future. 

Because the £350k a week he’s on now can’t do that? 

Fk off.
Won't somebody think of the children?!?

I think Shay forgets not everyone left their wife for a young one and has two sets of kids to support. I'm sure Salah's Liverpool salary does him fine.

Oooh, you bitch!! ;-)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on September 01, 2023, 09:04:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on September 01, 2023, 09:02:36 PM
Quote from: AV84 on September 01, 2023, 08:56:57 PM
Quote from: algy on September 01, 2023, 08:55:40 PM
Quote from: PaulTheVillan on September 01, 2023, 07:18:37 PM
Shay Given saying Salah’s move to Saudi could secure his kids future. 

Because the £350k a week he’s on now can’t do that? 

Fk off.
Won't somebody think of the children?!?

I think Shay forgets not everyone left their wife for a young one and has two sets of kids to support. I'm sure Salah's Liverpool salary does him fine.

Oooh, you bitch!! ;-)

Good bit of sass.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on September 01, 2023, 09:04:40 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Drummond on September 01, 2023, 08:35:13 PM
Monchi.negotiating with Barça whilst Unai trying to convince Ezzalzouli apparently 

I hope so.  Yes please. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on September 01, 2023, 09:10:10 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Goldenballs on September 01, 2023, 08:55:49 PM
Quote from: AV84 on September 01, 2023, 08:40:05 PM
Kasper Schmeichel is a free agent as of 5 minutes ago..... 

What's gone on there then? 11 clean sheets in 36.

Brexit twat Jim Ratcliffe has more or less decided that managed decline is what he's going for now at Nice.

Last couple of summers they've spent relatively big, but this year they've shipped out anyone earning decent money so it's actually quite surprising Schmeichel stuck around for the whole summer.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on September 01, 2023, 09:18:05 PM
			

			

				Forest have signed Andrew Omobamidele from Norwich now too. What would they have done if Spurs hadn't gone for Johnson. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: London Villan on September 01, 2023, 09:23:18 PM
			

			

				Kasper Schmeichel would be great, but i doubt he’d come in as back-up. He lived in solihull for a while when he was at leicester.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 01, 2023, 09:23:35 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on September 01, 2023, 09:02:36 PM
Quote from: AV84 on September 01, 2023, 08:56:57 PM
I think Shay forgets not everyone left their wife for a young one and has two sets of kids to support. I'm sure Salah's Liverpool salary does him fine.

Oooh, you bitch!! ;-)

Sounds like AV84's a bit miffed that he doesn't have that soft Donegal accent to attract the laydees with. ;)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VILLA MOLE on September 01, 2023, 09:36:00 PM
			

			

				So can you sign free agents after the window closes ? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on September 01, 2023, 09:38:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on September 01, 2023, 09:36:00 PM
So can you sign free agents after the window closes ? 

Yes but only if they were out of contract before the window closed.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on September 01, 2023, 09:40:20 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on September 01, 2023, 09:36:00 PM
So can you sign free agents after the window closes ?

Premier League teams have to have any free agents registered before September 14th so they can play. Any later than that and they can't be registered until January. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 01, 2023, 09:44:22 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Holy Trinity on September 01, 2023, 08:11:15 PM
Quote from: AV84 on September 01, 2023, 08:06:54 PM
Forest spending the Johnson money before the cheque has even cleared. 35mil for Sangaré from PSV 

Hes a fantastic player! Great signing for forest if they pull it off.

Agreed. I was hoping we might go for him.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on September 01, 2023, 10:01:10 PM
			

			

				Spurs have done some good business with Maddison and Johnson. I'd have loved to have seen Maddison at Villa, think we've missed a trick there.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on September 01, 2023, 10:01:26 PM
			

			

				Abde off to Betis again according to Romano 😔
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on September 01, 2023, 10:03:23 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on September 01, 2023, 10:01:10 PM
Spurs have done some good business with Maddison and Johnson. I'd have loved to have seen Maddison at Villa, think we've missed a trick there.

I jokingly suggested on the opening weekend that we went for the wrong Leicester player, but maybe we did. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Exeter 77 on September 01, 2023, 10:08:09 PM
			

			

				I've just seen on a BBC graphic that we have signed Ansu Fati on loan. Surely that is a mistake. I thought he'd gone to Brighton.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on September 01, 2023, 10:16:02 PM
			

			

				French window closed so Digne definitely not going anywhere, just in case there was any lingering doubt.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: TheMalandro on September 01, 2023, 10:23:35 PM
			

			

				I always thought Felix was a cock.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 01, 2023, 10:24:36 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on September 01, 2023, 08:40:05 PM
Kasper Schmeichel is a free agent as of 5 minutes ago..... 

Good keeper, but he'd never come to be a no. 2, and he must be a massive wanker. Imagine adding a private education and an immensely privileged upbringing to the genes inherited from his father. Doesn't bear thinking about.


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AlexAlexCropley on September 01, 2023, 10:37:32 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: TheMalandro on September 01, 2023, 10:23:35 PM
I always thought Felix was a cock.
Wasn't he a cat?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on September 01, 2023, 10:43:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: London Villan on September 01, 2023, 09:23:18 PM
Kasper Schmeichel would be great, but i doubt he’d come in as back-up. He lived in solihull for a while when he was at leicester.

Wasn't he terrible in his last season with Leicester? Granted the clowns they had in goal last season might have clouded the memory somewhat.

Ross Barkley was a predictable joke tonight for Luton. Walking around pitch. The absolute last player you want in a relegation battle, hooked long before the end unsurprisingly.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on September 01, 2023, 10:54:32 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on September 01, 2023, 10:03:23 PM
Quote from: Risso on September 01, 2023, 10:01:10 PM
Spurs have done some good business with Maddison and Johnson. I'd have loved to have seen Maddison at Villa, think we've missed a trick there.

I jokingly suggested on the opening weekend that we went for the wrong Leicester player, but maybe we did.

We've signed Diaby and Zaniolo in the position where Maddison plays.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on September 01, 2023, 10:57:05 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: brontebilly on September 01, 2023, 10:43:18 PM
Quote from: London Villan on September 01, 2023, 09:23:18 PM
Kasper Schmeichel would be great, but i doubt he’d come in as back-up. He lived in solihull for a while when he was at leicester.

Wasn't he terrible in his last season with Leicester? Granted the clowns they had in goal last season might have clouded the memory somewhat.

Ross Barkley was a predictable joke tonight for Luton. Walking around pitch. The absolute last player you want in a relegation battle, hooked long before the end unsurprisingly.

Did he sulk his big red face off ?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2023, 11:00:45 PM
			

			

				Maddison is a bell end. 

Typical spurs signing. They’ve spent the last thirty years desperately trying to sign the new Glen Hoddle. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Flamingo Lane on September 01, 2023, 11:03:28 PM
			

			

				One attempted dribble by Barkley in the second half was both sad and funny.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on September 01, 2023, 11:04:27 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2023, 11:00:45 PM
Maddison is a bell end. 

Typical spurs signing. They’ve spent the last thirty years desperately trying to sign the new Glen Hoddle.

Good player though, unfortunately. Kasper is an even bigger bell-end but I'd have him as a number 2 if his ego (and wages) would allow it.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on September 01, 2023, 11:05:31 PM
			

			

				And it's closed, unless you're Arsenal, in which case it closes next Thursday afternoon.  Great window for Villa. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on September 01, 2023, 11:10:48 PM
			

			

				Seb Revan and Bidace both gone.  Really busy window for Villa. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on September 01, 2023, 11:14:15 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: tomd2103 on September 01, 2023, 10:54:32 PM
Quote from: AV84 on September 01, 2023, 10:03:23 PM
Quote from: Risso on September 01, 2023, 10:01:10 PM
Spurs have done some good business with Maddison and Johnson. I'd have loved to have seen Maddison at Villa, think we've missed a trick there.

I jokingly suggested on the opening weekend that we went for the wrong Leicester player, but maybe we did.

We've signed Diaby and Zaniolo in the position where Maddison plays.

I wasn't talking positions, just that Madison and Barnes both had better opening weekends than Tielemans did. But everyone was shit that week, and Barnes hasn't done much since, so Madison is really the only one that's been consistent over the three weeks, which yes, is too short a time to judge the success of a transfer. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2023, 11:18:39 PM
			

			

				Surprised Revan has played for the first team and then gone on loan the next day. 

No problem with it, just a bit odd. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: TheMalandro on September 01, 2023, 11:18:52 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on September 01, 2023, 11:14:15 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on September 01, 2023, 10:54:32 PM
Quote from: AV84 on September 01, 2023, 10:03:23 PM
Quote from: Risso on September 01, 2023, 10:01:10 PM
Spurs have done some good business with Maddison and Johnson. I'd have loved to have seen Maddison at Villa, think we've missed a trick there.

I jokingly suggested on the opening weekend that we went for the wrong Leicester player, but maybe we did.

We've signed Diaby and Zaniolo in the position where Maddison plays.

I wasn't talking positions, just that Madison and Barnes both had better opening weekends than Tielemans did. But everyone was shit that week, and Barnes hasn't done much since, so Madison is really the only one that's been consistent over the three weeks, which yes, is too short a time to judge the success of a transfer. 

I thought Diaby had a good debut, all things considered.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on September 01, 2023, 11:21:16 PM
			

			

				When does the January window thread open? :-)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on September 01, 2023, 11:21:39 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2023, 11:18:39 PM
Surprised Revan has played for the first team and then gone on loan the next day. 

No problem with it, just a bit odd. 

If everything is on track Moreno is available again after Liverpool and I reckon Lenglet or Torres could cover in a emergency on Sunday so probably not much chance for him to add to that appearance.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 01, 2023, 11:22:35 PM
			

			

				Where has Revan gone?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on September 01, 2023, 11:23:17 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on September 01, 2023, 11:22:35 PM
Where has Revan gone?

Rotherham.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 01, 2023, 11:28:28 PM
			

			

				Potentially important thing is that Revan signed a new contract before heading off.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 01, 2023, 11:32:57 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on September 01, 2023, 11:23:17 PM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on September 01, 2023, 11:22:35 PM
Where has Revan gone?

Rotherham.

Ta!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: adrenachrome on September 01, 2023, 11:36:05 PM
			

			

				Pravda confirms Revan loan.

Aston Villa
@AVFCOfficial
Aston Villa is delighted to announce that Seb Revan has signed a contract extension with the club and will immediately join Rotherham United on a season-long loan

https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1697731056865026168 (https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1697731056865026168)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Toronto Villa on September 01, 2023, 11:42:52 PM
			

			

				Suggests that Moreno might not be far off. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on September 01, 2023, 11:43:50 PM
			

			

				Revan was never going to get a look in this season . Good player, we'll see more of him later 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Villafirst on September 02, 2023, 12:39:00 AM
			

			

				The squad should look better once Moreno and Ramsey return. JJ in particular is missed, but not having any pre-season is a worry. Sounds quite a bad injury to his toe.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on September 02, 2023, 12:51:55 AM
			

			

				Revan looked tidy last night but you could he wasn't ready. On the other hand, the even younger Kellyman looked more than ready to get games. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: tomd2103 on September 02, 2023, 02:05:53 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on September 01, 2023, 11:21:39 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2023, 11:18:39 PM
Surprised Revan has played for the first team and then gone on loan the next day. 

No problem with it, just a bit odd. 

If everything is on track Moreno is available again after Liverpool and I reckon Lenglet or Torres could cover in a emergency on Sunday so probably not much chance for him to add to that appearance.

From the footage I have seen, Lenglet is playing left-back in some of it, so I think he's probably been brought in with that in mind.  He'll cover Digne until Moreno is back.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on September 02, 2023, 06:53:57 AM
			

			

				Reports that Everton came in late last night for Dendoncker. Too late for us to find a replacement. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: nigel on September 02, 2023, 08:41:57 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on September 02, 2023, 06:53:57 AM
Reports that Everton came in late last night for Dendoncker. Too late for us to find a replacement.

Pleased about that.
I don’t think we should even consider letting him go at the moment.
He’s the sort of quality squad member you want. 
On the bench you think ‘Great player to bring on’
Makes the starting 11, and there’s no real problem either
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on September 02, 2023, 08:43:39 AM
			

			

				We have four senior central midfielders in Emery's system, and letting one go at the last minute would have been weird.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on September 02, 2023, 12:19:39 PM
			

			

				It's good that we're managing our FFP position in such a way that we don't feel a need to sell back-up players when someone comes in for them. The likes of Wolves and Everton are a warning to everybody else. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulTheVillan on September 02, 2023, 01:12:55 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on September 02, 2023, 06:53:57 AM
Reports that Everton came in late last night for Dendoncker. Too late for us to find a replacement.

Good. They can do one. 

Donk is solid. He will get games and be useful. Lots of experience. Would cost us more to replace him. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 02, 2023, 02:55:01 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulTheVillan on September 02, 2023, 01:12:55 PM
Quote from: OCD on September 02, 2023, 06:53:57 AM
Reports that Everton came in late last night for Dendoncker. Too late for us to find a replacement.

Good. They can do one. 

Donk is solid. He will get games and be useful. Lots of experience. Would cost us more to replace him. 

Plus he seems a decent sort, it wouldn't have been fair to make him go to Everton.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on September 02, 2023, 03:37:04 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2023, 11:00:45 PM
Maddison is a bell end. 

Typical spurs signing. They’ve spent the last thirty years desperately trying to sign the new Glen Hoddle. 
I really like Maddison, an excellent player and a good character.  I'd have loved to sign him.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on September 02, 2023, 03:40:09 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2023, 11:00:45 PM
Maddison is a bell end. 

Typical spurs signing. They’ve spent the last thirty years desperately trying to sign the new Glen Hoddle. 

He's a great player. Comes across as a bit of a dick at times on the pitch, but when interviewed he always sounds quite intelligent and thoughtful.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Goldenballs on September 02, 2023, 03:48:44 PM
			

			

				He's quality, a level above Buendia. Not sure why he's a bell. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on September 02, 2023, 03:51:21 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Goldenballs on September 02, 2023, 03:48:44 PM
He's quality, a level above Buendia. Not sure why he's a bell.

I think it's just because he's from Coventry 

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Goldenballs on September 02, 2023, 04:50:47 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on September 02, 2023, 03:51:21 PM
Quote from: Goldenballs on September 02, 2023, 03:48:44 PM
He's quality, a level above Buendia. Not sure why he's a bell.

I think it's just because he's from Coventry 


Fair enough. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on September 02, 2023, 04:53:21 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Goldenballs on September 02, 2023, 04:50:47 PM
Quote from: AV84 on September 02, 2023, 03:51:21 PM
Quote from: Goldenballs on September 02, 2023, 03:48:44 PM
He's quality, a level above Buendia. Not sure why he's a bell.

I think it's just because he's from Coventry 


Fair enough.

I should clarify, I have no opinion on people from Coventry. It's just what I've seen said about him before he signed for Spurs. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on September 02, 2023, 05:22:58 PM
			

			

				I don't know whether he's said something in the past, or just enjoyed scoring against us a little bit too much but it's thought that because he's an ex-Coventry lad that he's anti-Villa like many of them from around there tend to be. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on September 02, 2023, 05:42:32 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on September 02, 2023, 03:40:09 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2023, 11:00:45 PM
Maddison is a bell end. 

Typical spurs signing. They’ve spent the last thirty years desperately trying to sign the new Glen Hoddle. 

He's a great player. Comes across as a bit of a dick at times on the pitch, but when interviewed he always sounds quite intelligent and thoughtful.

Yeah I agree with this and I'm not sure why he is so disliked, he comes across a decent bloke unless I have missed something. He looks like a bell but I don't think he is one.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: N'ZMAV on September 02, 2023, 05:46:02 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on September 02, 2023, 05:22:58 PM
I don't know whether he's said something in the past, or just enjoyed scoring against us a little bit too much but it's thought that because he's an ex-Coventry lad that he's anti-Villa like many of them from around there tend to be. 
 yeah, they're another lot that like to hate Villa hoping we'll give a toss back - which we don't. See Wolves.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on September 02, 2023, 05:50:24 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on September 02, 2023, 05:22:58 PM
I don't know whether he's said something in the past, or just enjoyed scoring against us a little bit too much but it's thought that because he's an ex-Coventry lad that he's anti-Villa like many of them from around there tend to be.

I don't really pay too much heed to those rivalry stuff, they're everywhere in football. Deeney seems to be a decent bloke now after early tribulations, his enjoyment scoring against us doesn't change that, not for me anyway.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on September 02, 2023, 05:56:46 PM
			

			

				Yeah but he’s still from Coventry 


( says the guy who lived there for 5 years)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Goldenballs on September 02, 2023, 06:42:22 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on September 02, 2023, 05:50:24 PM
Quote from: OCD on September 02, 2023, 05:22:58 PM
I don't know whether he's said something in the past, or just enjoyed scoring against us a little bit too much but it's thought that because he's an ex-Coventry lad that he's anti-Villa like many of them from around there tend to be.

I don't really pay too much heed to those rivalry stuff, they're everywhere in football. Deeney seems to be a decent bloke now after early tribulations, his enjoyment scoring against us doesn't change that, not for me anyway.

I quite liked Deeney as well, I'm sure he gave the Holte a little clap at the end of the game against Watford when there had been a bit of banter during the game and he got a bit of a clap back. 

Or maybe I'm imagining that, hard to say these days with my shocker of a memory! Sometimes I'm sure something happened when actually I dreamt it. Too much parting when I was younger. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on September 02, 2023, 07:02:33 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Goldenballs on September 02, 2023, 06:42:22 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on September 02, 2023, 05:50:24 PM
Quote from: OCD on September 02, 2023, 05:22:58 PM
I don't know whether he's said something in the past, or just enjoyed scoring against us a little bit too much but it's thought that because he's an ex-Coventry lad that he's anti-Villa like many of them from around there tend to be.

I don't really pay too much heed to those rivalry stuff, they're everywhere in football. Deeney seems to be a decent bloke now after early tribulations, his enjoyment scoring against us doesn't change that, not for me anyway.

I quite liked Deeney as well, I'm sure he gave the Holte a little clap at the end of the game against Watford when there had been a bit of banter during the game and he got a bit of a clap back. 

Or maybe I'm imagining that, hard to say these days with my shocker of a memory! Sometimes I'm sure something happened when actually I dreamt it. Too much parting when I was younger. 

Think about Deeney is he knows if you give a bit you must be able to take a bit back it works both ways, fans also would do well to understand that

blues don’t like us we don’t like blues that’s the way it should be as long as it doesn’t get abusive or offensive, Deeney walks that line well


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on September 02, 2023, 08:18:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: john e on September 02, 2023, 07:02:33 PM
Quote from: Goldenballs on September 02, 2023, 06:42:22 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on September 02, 2023, 05:50:24 PM
Quote from: OCD on September 02, 2023, 05:22:58 PM
I don't know whether he's said something in the past, or just enjoyed scoring against us a little bit too much but it's thought that because he's an ex-Coventry lad that he's anti-Villa like many of them from around there tend to be.

I don't really pay too much heed to those rivalry stuff, they're everywhere in football. Deeney seems to be a decent bloke now after early tribulations, his enjoyment scoring against us doesn't change that, not for me anyway.

I quite liked Deeney as well, I'm sure he gave the Holte a little clap at the end of the game against Watford when there had been a bit of banter during the game and he got a bit of a clap back. 

Or maybe I'm imagining that, hard to say these days with my shocker of a memory! Sometimes I'm sure something happened when actually I dreamt it. Too much parting when I was younger. 

Think about Deeney is he knows if you give a bit you must be able to take a bit back it works both ways, fans also would do well to understand that

blues don’t like us we don’t like blues that’s the way it should be as long as it doesn’t get abusive or offensive, Deeney walks that line well
Not offensive or abusive? Really ?
It’s both and always will be.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: DeeBoy1 on September 02, 2023, 08:32:35 PM
			

			

				I’ve got loads of time for Deeney. You can’t help what you’re born into but he manages to play the pantomime villain whilst also managing to give Villa a level of respect. Paul Tait he is not.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on September 02, 2023, 08:47:51 PM
			

			

				If I remember right his brother was with Villa for years so I suspect that changed his attitude from the normal Bluenose to the more 'bantz' attitude he has.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 02, 2023, 09:11:22 PM
			

			

				Deeney is alright. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rigadon on September 02, 2023, 09:37:40 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: DeeBoy1 on September 02, 2023, 08:32:35 PM
I’ve got loads of time for Deeney. You can’t help what you’re born into but he manages to play the pantomime villain whilst also managing to give Villa a level of respect. Paul Tait he is not.

Yep.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: KevinGage on September 03, 2023, 02:23:07 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: DeeBoy1 on September 02, 2023, 08:32:35 PM
I’ve got loads of time for Deeney. You can’t help what you’re born into but he manages to play the pantomime villain whilst also managing to give Villa a level of respect. Paul Tait he is not.

Aye, same. 

Assume some of his mates must be Villa fans. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 03, 2023, 06:00:54 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: KevinGage on September 03, 2023, 02:23:07 AM
Quote from: DeeBoy1 on September 02, 2023, 08:32:35 PM
I’ve got loads of time for Deeney. You can’t help what you’re born into but he manages to play the pantomime villain whilst also managing to give Villa a level of respect. Paul Tait he is not.

Aye, same. 


And me. He was a decent player too.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on September 03, 2023, 07:41:37 AM
			

			

				Maddison is a very talented dick. Even the Cov fans I know well love him and take the piss I equal measure. He's miles better than Buendia though, and would have been a brilliant signing for us. Spurs have made him their focal point and put very talented players around him. They will be top 4 I reckon. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on September 03, 2023, 09:15:04 AM
			

			

				One player who I wouldn't mind us going for at some point is Lamperty at Brighton. Looks like he can play both right back and as a winger. Not sure how much they would want for him though. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: DeeBoy1 on September 03, 2023, 09:20:02 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on September 03, 2023, 06:00:54 AM
Quote from: KevinGage on September 03, 2023, 02:23:07 AM
Quote from: DeeBoy1 on September 02, 2023, 08:32:35 PM
I’ve got loads of time for Deeney. You can’t help what you’re born into but he manages to play the pantomime villain whilst also managing to give Villa a level of respect. Paul Tait he is not.

Aye, same. 


And me. He was a decent player too.

Yep he was underrated tbh. Didn’t he get, or get close to getting an England cap at the height of his Watford powers?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rotterdam on September 03, 2023, 11:12:43 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Goldenballs on September 02, 2023, 06:42:22 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on September 02, 2023, 05:50:24 PM
Quote from: OCD on September 02, 2023, 05:22:58 PM
I don't know whether he's said something in the past, or just enjoyed scoring against us a little bit too much but it's thought that because he's an ex-Coventry lad that he's anti-Villa like many of them from around there tend to be.

You are correct Golden. He scored in front of the Holte in a Villa 2-1 win. Pulled a face as if to say 'that's going to hurt...you'll not like that'...we scored a last minute winner (Mings?) and the Holte were giving giving it 'Deeney whats the score?'

I don't really pay too much heed to those rivalry stuff, they're everywhere in football. Deeney seems to be a decent bloke now after early tribulations, his enjoyment scoring against us doesn't change that, not for me anyway.

I quite liked Deeney as well, I'm sure he gave the Holte a little clap at the end of the game against Watford when there had been a bit of banter during the game and he got a bit of a clap back. 

Or maybe I'm imagining that, hard to say these days with my shocker of a memory! Sometimes I'm sure something happened when actually I dreamt it. Too much parting when I was younger. 

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on September 04, 2023, 02:23:45 PM
			

			

				El Ghazi is a free agent..... I know he was inconsistent but under Emery I reckon he'd do a half-decent job, particularly as Buendia is out and Coutinho is likely to be gone too. I'm thinking more for Europa Conference games, but as he's free?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clampy on September 04, 2023, 02:32:46 PM
			

			

				Not the worst idea I've heard, especially with Bert seemingly made of blamcmange and out injured again. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on September 04, 2023, 03:34:01 PM
			

			

				I know that he and Bailey are similar, I'd just say that AEG can finish too, and will cause problems for defences. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on September 04, 2023, 03:41:30 PM
			

			

				I'm not sure AEG has anywhere near the quality we need.  But he would be great if any games ever go to pens.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on September 04, 2023, 03:53:27 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on September 04, 2023, 03:41:30 PM
I'm not sure AEG has anywhere near the quality we need.  But he would be great if any games ever go to pens.

I know what you mean, perhaps I'm just desperate for Moreno and Ramsey to be back and am clutching at straws.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 04, 2023, 04:00:05 PM
			

			

				I would pick AEG over Bert and Bailey every time.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on September 04, 2023, 04:58:39 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on September 04, 2023, 04:00:05 PM
I would pick AEG over Bert and Bailey every time.
Absence does make the heart grow fonder.  The truth is, mostly he was a bit shit.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on September 04, 2023, 04:59:47 PM
			

			

				I said ages ago AEG is the sort of player I think would thrive under Unai. I'd take him until the end of the season on a free.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on September 04, 2023, 05:02:02 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on September 04, 2023, 04:58:39 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on September 04, 2023, 04:00:05 PM
I would pick AEG over Bert and Bailey every time.
Absence does make the heart grow fonder.  The truth is, mostly he was a bit shit.
Yep.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on September 04, 2023, 05:37:32 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on September 04, 2023, 04:58:39 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on September 04, 2023, 04:00:05 PM
I would pick AEG over Bert and Bailey every time.
Absence does make the heart grow fonder.  The truth is, mostly he was a bit shit.

I’d agree, like Bailey would go missing for huge portions of games…Bailey is capable of going past defenders though.

Will always love AEG for his Wembley goal but I fully remember him bottling the finish during lockdown against Everton(?) and also spending lots of that season moaning about AEG & Trez not being PL standard.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: TaxDodger on September 04, 2023, 06:19:10 PM
			

			

				I know Bailey is frustratingly inconsistent, and I wouldn't exactly be heartbroken if we moved him on in the near future, but he's a level above El Ghazi.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on September 04, 2023, 06:29:09 PM
			

			

				Had to go back a page to make sure these weren't three year old posts.

Bring back El Ghazi, have people had a collective mental breakdown? Christ almighty, who next, Carles Gil?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on September 04, 2023, 06:36:07 PM
			

			

				Barry Bannan would do well under Unai I reckon. Also Benito Carbone might link up well with his compatriot Zaniolo.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 04, 2023, 07:07:00 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smirker on September 04, 2023, 04:59:47 PM
I said ages ago AEG is the sort of player I think would thrive under Unai. I'd take him until the end of the season on a free.

Unai would just have to tell him to shoot straight at the keeper and we'd have a 25 goal a season attacker.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Holte L2 on September 04, 2023, 07:10:35 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Monty on September 04, 2023, 06:36:07 PM
Barry Bannan would do well under Unai I reckon. Also Benito Carbone might link up well with his compatriot Zaniolo.

Dean Saunders would be ideal too.  Can hold the ball up, has good movement and knows where the net is - or at least the post. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 04, 2023, 07:18:35 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on September 04, 2023, 04:00:05 PM
I would pick AEG over Bert and Bailey every time.

If we're talking washing machines, dishwashers or fridges I'm with you all the way. That said I've never heard of Bert domestic appliances.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on September 05, 2023, 01:22:22 PM
			

			

				There's a report in a Spanish paper today that we were willing to pay €50million for Nico Williams (his release fee), and pay him €7million a year, but he turned us down. (I believe he turned other clubs down too, but interesting to see what we were willing to offer for the right players)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on September 05, 2023, 01:44:08 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on September 05, 2023, 01:22:22 PM
There's a report in a Spanish paper today that we were willing to pay €50million for Nico Williams (his release fee), and pay him €7million a year, but he turned us down. (I believe he turned other clubs down too, but interesting to see what we were willing to offer for the right players)

Sounds about right and I suspect we went from him to Diaby, I'd be amazed if the plan was to get both.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on September 05, 2023, 01:47:42 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on September 05, 2023, 01:44:08 PM

Sounds about right and I suspect we went from him to Diaby, I'd be amazed if the plan was to get both.

I was thinking the same. It was pretty early in the window we were linked with Williams, and it died away again pretty immediately, so I'd assume he gave a clear and definite no, and we moved on to other targets. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Axl Rose on September 05, 2023, 02:05:15 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on September 04, 2023, 06:29:09 PM
Had to go back a page to make sure these weren't three year old posts.

Bring back El Ghazi, have people had a collective mental breakdown? Christ almighty, who next, Carles Gil?

😂
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on September 09, 2023, 02:21:40 PM
			

			

				Supposed to have signed Freddie Lawrie (schoolboy midfielder) off Port Vale.


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on September 09, 2023, 02:25:11 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: algy on September 09, 2023, 02:21:40 PM
Supposed to have signed Freddie Lawrie (schoolboy midfielder) off Port Vale.



For a record breaking fee no less.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on September 09, 2023, 04:17:09 PM
			

			

				He has a great name but then again so did Dan Crowley and look what happened to him...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on September 09, 2023, 09:00:32 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Steve67 on September 09, 2023, 02:25:11 PM
Quote from: algy on September 09, 2023, 02:21:40 PM
Supposed to have signed Freddie Lawrie (schoolboy midfielder) off Port Vale.



For a record breaking fee no less. 

A record by what measure?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on September 10, 2023, 10:47:42 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on September 09, 2023, 04:17:09 PM
He has a great name but then again so did Dan Crowley and look what happened to him...

Was he the biggest let down in terms of unfulfilled potential down the years? I remember loads of talk about Stephen? Cooke back in the day but didn't happen for him
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dave.woodhall on September 10, 2023, 11:22:22 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: brontebilly on September 10, 2023, 10:47:42 AM
Quote from: eamonn on September 09, 2023, 04:17:09 PM
He has a great name but then again so did Dan Crowley and look what happened to him...

Was he the biggest let down in terms of unfulfilled potential down the years? I remember loads of talk about Stephen? Cooke back in the day but didn't happen for him

Cooke wasn't big enough; Crawley by all accounts had the wrong attitude even when Arsenal loaned him out to Barnsley. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on September 10, 2023, 11:34:58 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on September 09, 2023, 09:00:32 PM
Quote from: Steve67 on September 09, 2023, 02:25:11 PM
Quote from: algy on September 09, 2023, 02:21:40 PM
Supposed to have signed Freddie Lawrie (schoolboy midfielder) off Port Vale.



For a record breaking fee no less. 

A record by what measure?

Think it's a record in the sense that it's the most Port Vale have ever received for a schoolboy. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on September 11, 2023, 07:17:26 AM
			

			

				Thank you.

The youth system is definitely in the positive after the last few years so it’s great that we are splurging the cash on the next generation. 

And so it continues…
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on September 11, 2023, 10:44:03 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: brontebilly on September 10, 2023, 10:47:42 AM
Quote from: eamonn on September 09, 2023, 04:17:09 PM
He has a great name but then again so did Dan Crowley and look what happened to him...

Was he the biggest let down in terms of unfulfilled potential down the years? I remember loads of talk about Stephen? Cooke back in the day but didn't happen for him

Biggest let down for me in terms of unfulfilled potential out of any academy player was Nathan Delfouneso.

He had everything to his game. Height, strength, pace, touch, skill, finishing ability, etc, etc.

Its just a shame that he developed a "Billy Big Bollocks" attitude early on. 

A mate of mine knew him & 'his entourage'. 

He despised him due to his attitude.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on September 11, 2023, 10:55:02 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pablo_picasso on September 11, 2023, 10:44:03 AM
Quote from: brontebilly on September 10, 2023, 10:47:42 AM
Quote from: eamonn on September 09, 2023, 04:17:09 PM
He has a great name but then again so did Dan Crowley and look what happened to him...

Was he the biggest let down in terms of unfulfilled potential down the years? I remember loads of talk about Stephen? Cooke back in the day but didn't happen for him

Biggest let down for me in terms of unfulfilled potential out of any academy player was Nathan Delfouneso.

He had everything to his game. Height, strength, pace, touch, skill, finishing ability, etc, etc.

Good shout. Took me a lot longer than it should have done to accept that he wasn't going to become the next Didier Drogba. 

Now not scoring for AFC Fylde in the National League.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on September 11, 2023, 11:20:55 AM
			

			

				The people around young players have such a big role to play in their development. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on September 11, 2023, 11:55:57 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dave on September 11, 2023, 10:55:02 AM
Quote from: pablo_picasso on September 11, 2023, 10:44:03 AM
Quote from: brontebilly on September 10, 2023, 10:47:42 AM
Quote from: eamonn on September 09, 2023, 04:17:09 PM
He has a great name but then again so did Dan Crowley and look what happened to him...

Was he the biggest let down in terms of unfulfilled potential down the years? I remember loads of talk about Stephen? Cooke back in the day but didn't happen for him

Biggest let down for me in terms of unfulfilled potential out of any academy player was Nathan Delfouneso.

He had everything to his game. Height, strength, pace, touch, skill, finishing ability, etc, etc.

Good shout. Took me a lot longer than it should have done to accept that he wasn't going to become the next Didier Drogba. 

Now not scoring for AFC Fylde in the National League.

Yeah, it took me a while to accept he wasn't going to make it too, & I had the knowledge of his attitude at the same time.

I think what it does say, as OCD mentions, that the people around a young player can play a huge part in their development, sometimes almost as much as their ability...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on September 11, 2023, 11:58:58 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on September 11, 2023, 11:20:55 AM
The people around young players have such a big role to play in their development.

Exactly, too many vested interests who want £‘s to flow their way too soon…ruined many a career…see Chukwuemeka…tho I suspect we have probably employed same tactics with some of the youngsters we’ve recruited
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on September 11, 2023, 12:06:15 PM
			

			

				I'm not a fan of young Chucky but that's unfair to him really, he's 19 and was starting and scoring for Chelsea the other week before getting injured, it's not like he's now on loan in the Dutch 2nd division or anything, and there's nothing really to suggest he's a wrong 'un in any way, his contract was coming up and his stock was high so he exploited it. The evidence was that another team, an established Champions League side at the time, we're willing to pay £20m to get him before everyone else.

The point is valid but he's not the best example.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on September 11, 2023, 12:11:28 PM
			

			

				I think Chucky will develop into a decent player and regularly play for England
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on September 11, 2023, 12:13:36 PM
			

			

				Yeah, I do too.

Plus he's probably worked out that being 'young Chelsea player' means at least 5 caps regardless of progress.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 11, 2023, 12:47:39 PM
			

			

				Two of the biggest for me as youth players are Luke Moore and Gary Gardner. 

Moore should have made it to a very decent career, instead he peaked at 20 and had retired before he was 30 having done very little for nearly a decade. 

And seeing what would have become of GG if he hadn't had the 2 ACL injuries.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on September 11, 2023, 12:50:46 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on September 11, 2023, 12:47:39 PM
Two of the biggest for me as youth players are Luke Moore and Gary Gardner. 

Moore should have made it to a very decent career, instead he peaked at 20 and had retired before he was 30 having done very little for nearly a decade. 

And seeing what would have become of GG if he hadn't had the 2 ACL injuries.

Gardner was gutting. 

Especially as his wasn't down to attitude.

I remember a Youth Cup game at Villa Park against Cheltenham (I think), where he scored a perfect hat-trick & absolutely ran the show.

To think what could have been...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on September 11, 2023, 03:41:31 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on September 11, 2023, 12:47:39 PM
Two of the biggest for me as youth players are Luke Moore and Gary Gardner. 

Moore should have made it to a very decent career, instead he peaked at 20 and had retired before he was 30 having done very little for nearly a decade. 

And seeing what would have become of GG if he hadn't had the 2 ACL injuries.

Luke started very well under MON but always struck me as being bone idle lazy and not bothered about his career. Did well to get 5m or whatever for him when he left. Injuries ruined GG for sure, still playing for some team. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on September 11, 2023, 09:49:23 PM
			

			

				The fact we signed Chuk’s brother for “£1m” (despite no obvious talent) suggests there’s an entourage of people with a keen interest in his (their) career.  
That doesn’t mean he cannot make it but I suspect he’d be better off with out them.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on September 11, 2023, 10:34:17 PM
			

			

				Is it Luke Moore's son that's in the academy at the moment? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Exeter 77 on September 11, 2023, 10:44:41 PM
			

			

				Stefan's son I think.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 11, 2023, 10:45:49 PM
			

			

				Didn't see this one coming. https://twitter.com/DeadlineDayLive/status/1701330722085044734
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Lastfootstamper on September 11, 2023, 10:51:18 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on September 11, 2023, 10:45:49 PM
Didn't see this one coming. https://twitter.com/DeadlineDayLive/status/1701330722085044734
 
What in the what now? Eh? Nahhh. No? What?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Lastfootstamper on September 11, 2023, 10:54:23 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on September 11, 2023, 09:49:23 PM
The fact we signed Chuk’s brother for “£1m” (despite no obvious talent) suggests there’s an entourage of people with a keen interest in his (their) career.  
That doesn’t mean he cannot make it but I suspect he’d be better off with out them.
 
Neil Rioch, Alan Little. Nothing new.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on September 11, 2023, 10:55:27 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Lastfootstamper on September 11, 2023, 10:51:18 PM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on September 11, 2023, 10:45:49 PM
Didn't see this one coming. https://twitter.com/DeadlineDayLive/status/1701330722085044734
 
What in the what now? Eh? Nahhh. No? What?

He did play in the NL so ticks all Ten Hags boxes. I'd take Sancho off their hands, good player at the wrong club.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Lastfootstamper on September 11, 2023, 11:01:49 PM
			

			

				Agree about Sancho. I know they'll most likely not finish outside the top six, but there's something of an uninspiring malaise about them. They're the new spurs. Spurs being the new Crystal Palace. If you wanna enjoy your game, get out.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on September 11, 2023, 11:03:04 PM
			

			

				I think Spurs will do ok this season . 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 11, 2023, 11:05:00 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Lastfootstamper on September 11, 2023, 11:01:49 PM
Agree about Sancho. I know they'll most likely not finish outside the top six, but there's something of an uninspiring malaise about them. They're the new spurs. Spurs being the new Crystal Palace. If you wanna enjoy your game, get out.

Reading about them linked with El Ghazi today, I was reflecting on the fact they actually fielded, on a very regular basis, Wout Weghorst last season, a player so utterly, utterly shit, I'd despair if we were linked with him, let alone signed him.

Their ground, dilapidated and falling apart, is a good metaphor for the club.

Greenwood and Antony, all that stuff. Their lack of a consistent signings policy. Them having wildly expensive signings like Maguire and Sancho delivering absolutely fuck all.

That is a club in a bad place.

Good.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Lastfootstamper on September 11, 2023, 11:14:41 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: VillaTim on September 11, 2023, 11:03:04 PM
I think Spurs will do ok this season .
 
Do you think they'll finish above us? I don't.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on September 12, 2023, 06:48:27 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 11, 2023, 11:05:00 PM
Quote from: Lastfootstamper on September 11, 2023, 11:01:49 PM
Agree about Sancho. I know they'll most likely not finish outside the top six, but there's something of an uninspiring malaise about them. They're the new spurs. Spurs being the new Crystal Palace. If you wanna enjoy your game, get out.

Reading about them linked with El Ghazi today, I was reflecting on the fact they actually fielded, on a very regular basis, Wout Weghorst last season, a player so utterly, utterly shit, I'd despair if we were linked with him, let alone signed him.

Their ground, dilapidated and falling apart, is a good metaphor for the club.

Greenwood and Antony, all that stuff. Their lack of a consistent signings policy. Them having wildly expensive signings like Maguire and Sancho delivering absolutely fuck all.

That is a club in a bad place.

Good.
It’s a real mess,this Anthony issue isn’t going away with him thinking the way to address this is through social media posts, which of course is counter productive.
Ten Haag has lost that air of competence  and has now fallen foul of criticising a player in public.
Maguire the Glazers , it’s a shit show. 

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulTheVillan on September 12, 2023, 07:00:17 AM
			

			

				El Ghazi will want the number 7 shirt. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ozzjim on September 12, 2023, 07:59:17 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Lastfootstamper on September 11, 2023, 11:14:41 PM
Quote from: VillaTim on September 11, 2023, 11:03:04 PM
I think Spurs will do ok this season .
 
Do you think they'll finish above us? I don't.

If they don't we will be top 4. They have bought well in key positions, Maddison is a far better creative midfielder than we have, Son is a better forward than Watkins and their wide options are really strong. Their central midfield is young but very competent. I would question their back 4, but they have signed a very good keeper under the radar, who will make a big difference. Most importantly, they have appointed a very good manager, with a very clear identity. I think Spurs will be 4th or 5th this season sadly, they look a side that has stumbled and fumbled to a decent position - and I loathe Spurs. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Chris Smith on September 12, 2023, 08:23:39 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ozzjim on September 12, 2023, 07:59:17 AM
Quote from: Lastfootstamper on September 11, 2023, 11:14:41 PM
Quote from: VillaTim on September 11, 2023, 11:03:04 PM
I think Spurs will do ok this season .
 
Do you think they'll finish above us? I don't.

If they don't we will be top 4. They have bought well in key positions, Maddison is a far better creative midfielder than we have, Son is a better forward than Watkins and their wide options are really strong. Their central midfield is young but very competent. I would question their back 4, but they have signed a very good keeper under the radar, who will make a big difference. Most importantly, they have appointed a very good manager, with a very clear identity. I think Spurs will be 4th or 5th this season sadly, they look a side that has stumbled and fumbled to a decent position - and I loathe Spurs. 

They’ve had a fairly easy start to the season though. I’d prefer to wait and see how they look after a few tougher games but on the face of it I don’t think they’ve done enough to compensate for the loss of Kane.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on September 12, 2023, 10:46:01 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: ozzjim on September 12, 2023, 07:59:17 AM
Quote from: Lastfootstamper on September 11, 2023, 11:14:41 PM
Quote from: VillaTim on September 11, 2023, 11:03:04 PM
I think Spurs will do ok this season .
 
Do you think they'll finish above us? I don't.

If they don't we will be top 4. They have bought well in key positions, Maddison is a far better creative midfielder than we have, Son is a better forward than Watkins and their wide options are really strong. Their central midfield is young but very competent. I would question their back 4, but they have signed a very good keeper under the radar, who will make a big difference. Most importantly, they have appointed a very good manager, with a very clear identity. I think Spurs will be 4th or 5th this season sadly, they look a side that has stumbled and fumbled to a decent position - and I loathe Spurs.

Like ourselves, injuries to a couple of key players could derail them. They still have lots of average players getting game time at the moment. But they definitely look a more cohesive unit. We are a bit all over the place currently given all the injuries so far and badly need Ramsey and Moreno fully fit. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on September 12, 2023, 10:49:15 AM
			

			

				Lets not forget this time last season Spurs were enjoying their best ever start to a Premier League season.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on September 12, 2023, 11:35:04 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on September 12, 2023, 10:49:15 AM
Lets not forget this time last season Spurs were enjoying their best ever start to a Premier League season.

And the year before that they started with three straight wins too. Nuno was still gone by November. 

I think it's a bit early to make broad proclamations about how either team will do. Last season received wisdom said that we were great and they were awful, we still only just finished ahead of them on the final day.

They might do the typical Spurs collapse again this year. They might not. Or we might. Or not.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on September 12, 2023, 11:37:26 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Lastfootstamper on September 11, 2023, 11:14:41 PM
Quote from: VillaTim on September 11, 2023, 11:03:04 PM
I think Spurs will do ok this season .
 
Do you think they'll finish above us? I don't.
I do yes. The injuries and Europe will go against us. 
Spurs strengthened well and don't have the distraction of Europe. Of course if Spurs picked up some key injuries thats a leveller. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smithy on September 12, 2023, 02:21:06 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: VillaTim on September 12, 2023, 11:37:26 AM
Quote from: Lastfootstamper on September 11, 2023, 11:14:41 PM
Quote from: VillaTim on September 11, 2023, 11:03:04 PM
I think Spurs will do ok this season .
 
Do you think they'll finish above us? I don't.
I do yes. The injuries and Europe will go against us. 
Spurs strengthened well and don't have the distraction of Europe. Of course if Spurs picked up some key injuries thats a leveller. 

Both Spurs and Chelsea have the benefit of no European distractions this season.  And both have new managers, plus new, expensive players.  On the face of it, you would expect both of them to have significantly better seasons than the previous one, but there are no guarantees.  

I'm still expecting us to have a similar points return per game as we got under Unai last season, which will have us firmly in the European mix come the spring.  And if we're on target for that in January, I'd expect to see us strengthen, too.

What we really need, is a result at Chelsea, to get away from the 'flat track bully' reputation we're in danger of building.  It would also be nice to play one of the top-four contenders without losing a centre-back to injury in the first twenty minutes.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on September 12, 2023, 07:08:14 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Smithy on September 12, 2023, 02:21:06 PM
Quote from: VillaTim on September 12, 2023, 11:37:26 AM
Quote from: Lastfootstamper on September 11, 2023, 11:14:41 PM
Quote from: VillaTim on September 11, 2023, 11:03:04 PM
I think Spurs will do ok this season .
 
Do you think they'll finish above us? I don't.
I do yes. The injuries and Europe will go against us. 
Spurs strengthened well and don't have the distraction of Europe. Of course if Spurs picked up some key injuries thats a leveller. 

Both Spurs and Chelsea have the benefit of no European distractions this season.  And both have new managers, plus new, expensive players.  On the face of it, you would expect both of them to have significantly better seasons than the previous one, but there are no guarantees.  

I'm still expecting us to have a similar points return per game as we got under Unai last season, which will have us firmly in the European mix come the spring.  And if we're on target for that in January, I'd expect to see us strengthen, too.

What we really need, is a result at Chelsea, to get away from the 'flat track bully' reputation we're in danger of building.  It would also be nice to play one of the top-four contenders without losing a centre-back to injury in the first twenty minutes.
I would not put Chelsea in the same bracket as Spurs . Chelsea are a basket case . I think we will struggle to hit that points per game Emery achieved last season without Mings and partly Buendia. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on September 13, 2023, 02:01:50 PM
			

			

				Dendoncker might be going to Fenerbache before the Turkish window closes Friday night. We're supposedly open to doing a loan or permanent move. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ger Regan on September 13, 2023, 02:11:27 PM
			

			

				Assuming Tim is back reasonably soon then it might suit us and allow him to be more integrated into the squad. Not totally against it but we do need numbers.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on September 13, 2023, 02:16:22 PM
			

			

				I like Dendoncker & think he is underrated by a lot of people, but if its a choice between keeping Iroegbunam  & letting Dendoncker leave, or the other way round, Im keeping Iroegbunam every day of the week & twice on Tuesday...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on September 13, 2023, 02:33:36 PM
			

			

				No way, Dendoncker is far more proven than Iroegbunam. We've already lost Buendia and Coutinho, unexpectedly to a degree, obviously they're not the same type of player but our numbers shouldn't be allowed dwindle further. The Donk is more than capable of playing his part in games where we look like we may be physically targeted or over-run in midfield. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 13, 2023, 02:54:21 PM
			

			

				Indeed. 

Iroegbunam has barely kicked a ball in top flight football. 

I’d be holding on to Dendoncker. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Monty on September 13, 2023, 02:58:51 PM
			

			

				Iroegbunam was very impressive in the second tier at a remarkably young age. We have relative strength in that area - I'd bet on the young guy.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 13, 2023, 03:01:26 PM
			

			

				I wouldn’t be selling either of them just now
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on September 13, 2023, 03:08:45 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 13, 2023, 03:01:26 PM
I wouldn’t be selling either of them just now

Indeed. Selling Dendonker in particular would be crazy. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on September 13, 2023, 03:13:44 PM
			

			

				I wonder whether Emery's getting a bit frustrated at how  many times he's out with injuries. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Clark W Griswold on September 13, 2023, 03:29:44 PM
			

			

				Had a quick look at the 1st team squad according to the official site. 26 players. 2 out for the season, plus Hause and Tim who've not been near the first team. Only 2 GK's one of which is Olsen. So 20 other outfield players, one is moaning already, and we have others who are coming back from injury, not long had a long term injury or are generally prone to injury. Getting rid of any more, even if they have had a few injuries themselves, would be ridiculous. A disgrace in fact.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 13, 2023, 03:34:59 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulTheVillan on September 12, 2023, 07:00:17 AM
El Ghazi will want the number 7 shirt. 

Give it to him. Please!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on September 13, 2023, 04:33:31 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on September 13, 2023, 02:01:50 PM
Dendoncker might be going to Fenerbache before the Turkish window closes Friday night. We're supposedly open to doing a loan or permanent move. 
Why do we seem so set on kicking ourselves in the bollocks?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on September 13, 2023, 05:13:13 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on September 13, 2023, 03:13:44 PM
I wonder whether Emery's getting a bit frustrated at how  many times he's out with injuries.

His quotes about him recently, in garbled English, seemed to suggest frustration alright. I'd like to keep him, think he's a decent player. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on September 13, 2023, 05:15:11 PM
			

			

				It does feel like we're intent on having a squad as small as possible. 

I guess though - will he play ahead of someone else playing in his role?  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: dave shelley on September 13, 2023, 06:08:48 PM
			

			

				Maybe he's just trying to get it down to fourteen.   ;)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pablo_picasso on September 13, 2023, 06:44:43 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 13, 2023, 03:01:26 PM
I wouldn’t be selling either of them just now

Is the right answer... 😉
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: nigel on September 14, 2023, 06:48:54 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Lastfootstamper on September 11, 2023, 10:54:23 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on September 11, 2023, 09:49:23 PM
The fact we signed Chuk’s brother for “£1m” (despite no obvious talent) suggests there’s an entourage of people with a keen interest in his (their) career.  
That doesn’t mean he cannot make it but I suspect he’d be better off with out them.
 
Neil Rioch, Alan Little. Nothing new.

I’m sure I read somewhere that those two were only bought in to make sure the more talented brother signed. 
In fairness to Neil Rioch, although it didn’t work out playing wise he does a lot for the old boys team.
Alan Little ended up at Torquay if I remember correctly 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on September 14, 2023, 08:57:10 PM
			

			

				Sancho's stock is falling by the day, be a good signing.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 14, 2023, 09:14:46 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on September 14, 2023, 08:57:10 PM
Sancho's stock is falling by the day, be a good signing.

I don't often agree with you, Ashton, but on this I do.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 14, 2023, 09:17:05 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on September 14, 2023, 08:57:10 PM
Sancho's stock is falling by the day, be a good signing.

No. No! Hell No!

On this date 15 years ago, Lehman Brothers' stock was falling by the day. It doesn't mean it would have been a good buy.  
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 14, 2023, 09:23:53 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on September 14, 2023, 09:17:05 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on September 14, 2023, 08:57:10 PM
Sancho's stock is falling by the day, be a good signing.

No. No! Hell No!

On this date 15 years ago, Lehman Brothers' stock was falling by the day. It doesn't mean it would have been a good buy.  

I never agree with you either, and I'm skint!
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on September 14, 2023, 09:34:57 PM
			

			

				I think there's a good player in Sancho but Man U was a terrible move for him, not sure I'd want to be the club that rehabilitates him though.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: andyh on September 14, 2023, 09:43:10 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on September 14, 2023, 09:34:57 PM
I think there's a good player in Sancho but Man U was a terrible move for him, not sure I'd want to be the club that rehabilitates him though.
See Jesse Lingard.
Was on his way to redemption when he went to West Ham, now he’s floating around looking for a club.
Sancho is the next Lingard
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on September 14, 2023, 09:45:43 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on September 14, 2023, 09:34:57 PM
I think there's a good player in Sancho but Man U was a terrible move for him, not sure I'd want to be the club that rehabilitates him though.

I was jut going to say something like "and there's a male model in me, and he's not getting out either" but then realised it might be misconstrued.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on September 14, 2023, 09:54:10 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on September 14, 2023, 09:34:57 PM
I think there's a good player in Sancho but Man U was a terrible move for him, not sure I'd want to be the club that rehabilitates him though.
I agree, he needs to spend 2nd half of season somewhere where he will start week in week out as that rehab…

They are a basket case club
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on September 14, 2023, 09:57:31 PM
			

			

				Hearing a lot of talk about a marque signing. 

Is that so we can sit in it when they have knocked down the north stand?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on September 14, 2023, 10:04:30 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on September 14, 2023, 09:34:57 PM
I think there's a good player in Sancho but Man U was a terrible move for him, not sure I'd want to be the club that rehabilitates him though.
 seems that he lacks that acceleration needed to be really effective in the PL.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ian. on September 14, 2023, 10:08:39 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Beard82 on September 14, 2023, 09:57:31 PM
Hearing a lot of talk about a marque signing. 

Is that so we can sit in it when they have knocked down the north stand?

I read that as Maguire signing and was very, very concerned.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on September 14, 2023, 10:11:50 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: ChicagoLion on September 14, 2023, 10:04:30 PM
Quote from: paul_e on September 14, 2023, 09:34:57 PM
I think there's a good player in Sancho but Man U was a terrible move for him, not sure I'd want to be the club that rehabilitates him though.
 seems that he lacks that acceleration needed to be really effective in the PL.


Yeah, that might be right, but he's technically very good, has great top end pace and he's a good finisher so I think he has enough to work with for someone but will probably end up with another year or 2 of his career being flushed away as they try to make back as much as they can on him before he walks away for nothing.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 14, 2023, 10:13:33 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Beard82 on September 14, 2023, 09:57:31 PM
Hearing a lot of talk about a marque signing.

Sounded to me like Noble coming from West Ham, and ! was very, very concerned.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Beard82 on September 14, 2023, 10:29:42 PM
			

			

				Sorry, I saw some posts about us wanting a marque signing in Jan, and I thought that was funny and instantly regretted it.

But then I didn't delete it because I thought some people might have already read it and thought removing it would make it seem I lacked conviction
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Smirker on September 14, 2023, 10:43:03 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: andyh on September 14, 2023, 09:43:10 PM
Quote from: paul_e on September 14, 2023, 09:34:57 PM
I think there's a good player in Sancho but Man U was a terrible move for him, not sure I'd want to be the club that rehabilitates him though.
See Jesse Lingard.
Was on his way to redemption when he went to West Ham, now he’s floating around looking for a club.
Sancho is the next Lingard

Sancho is miles more talented than Lingard tbf. Needs to get away from Man Utd though obviously. 

I think a return to Dortmund is best for him. I'd have taken him before we got Diaby. 


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on September 15, 2023, 07:29:20 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on September 14, 2023, 09:45:43 PM
Quote from: paul_e on September 14, 2023, 09:34:57 PM
I think there's a good player in Sancho but Man U was a terrible move for him, not sure I'd want to be the club that rehabilitates him though.

I was jut going to say something like "and there's a male model in me, and he's not getting out either" but then realised it might be misconstrued.

Yep, people may have thought you meant you could actually be a model. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on September 15, 2023, 11:28:57 AM
			

			

				Whoever brings Sancho in will have to deal with his £350,000/week wages. That's a lot for anyone, let alone someone who's failed at United. Probably another Maguire and rot in United's reserves while picking up a ridiculous pay check. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on September 15, 2023, 11:39:47 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on September 15, 2023, 11:28:57 AM
Whoever brings Sancho in will have to deal with his £350,000/week wages. That's a lot for anyone, let alone someone who's failed at United. Probably another Maguire and rot in United's reserves while picking up a ridiculous pay check. 

A January loan to Bayern with an option for them to buy him would probably make sense for everyone involved. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on September 15, 2023, 11:40:36 AM
			

			

				Perhaps they could do a 2 for 1 with Bailey?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on September 15, 2023, 01:24:03 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on September 15, 2023, 11:28:57 AM
Whoever brings Sancho in will have to deal with his £350,000/week wages. That's a lot for anyone, let alone someone who's failed at United. Probably another Maguire and rot in United's reserves while picking up a ridiculous pay check.
Yeah, I worry about picking up players who've failed at other (English) clubs, particularly ones where the club they're coming from might be regarded as 'bigger'. Just feels like there's a lot of risk there, and little sign of reward to date.

I'd be leaving Sancho alone and spend that £350k/week elsewhere.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Rudy65 on September 15, 2023, 01:35:36 PM
			

			

				The Bundesliga is inferior to the Premier League. Bailey and Sancho with great stats in the former but poor in the latter are some proof of that. Neither can stand the physicality of the Prem
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Steve67 on September 15, 2023, 01:45:12 PM
			

			

				Stats can be misleading because Bailey, on paper, hasn't done too badly with goals and assists.  I think Sancho has been found out. He's crap.  Of the two, we got much the better deal. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: London Villan on September 15, 2023, 01:49:06 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: algy on September 15, 2023, 01:24:03 PM
Quote from: OCD on September 15, 2023, 11:28:57 AM
Whoever brings Sancho in will have to deal with his £350,000/week wages. That's a lot for anyone, let alone someone who's failed at United. Probably another Maguire and rot in United's reserves while picking up a ridiculous pay check.
Yeah, I worry about picking up players who've failed at other (English) clubs, particularly ones where the club they're coming from might be regarded as 'bigger'. Just feels like there's a lot of risk there, and little sign of reward to date.

I'd be leaving Sancho alone and spend that £350k/week elsewhere.

Can't think of many occasions where it's worked? Drinkwater and Barkely were both recent disasters...
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on September 15, 2023, 03:17:53 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: London Villan on September 15, 2023, 01:49:06 PM
Quote from: algy on September 15, 2023, 01:24:03 PM
Quote from: OCD on September 15, 2023, 11:28:57 AM
Whoever brings Sancho in will have to deal with his £350,000/week wages. That's a lot for anyone, let alone someone who's failed at United. Probably another Maguire and rot in United's reserves while picking up a ridiculous pay check.
Yeah, I worry about picking up players who've failed at other (English) clubs, particularly ones where the club they're coming from might be regarded as 'bigger'. Just feels like there's a lot of risk there, and little sign of reward to date.

I'd be leaving Sancho alone and spend that £350k/week elsewhere.

Can't think of many occasions where it's worked? Drinkwater and Barkely were both recent disasters...

it really depends on context, salah and de bruyne both 'failed' at Chelsea and now they're in the top 5-6 players in the league. Zaha failed at Man U and then had a very good 2nd spell with Palace. To a lesser extent we decided Albrighton wasn't good enough and then he was superb for Leicester.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Risso on September 15, 2023, 03:47:04 PM
			

			

				Salah and De Bruyne were young players who hardly played for Chelsea. They weren't given a real chance before being loaned/sold. Sancho came in for a huge fee and has made 80 odd appearances for Man U.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on September 15, 2023, 04:14:52 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Risso on September 15, 2023, 03:47:04 PM
Salah and De Bruyne were young players who hardly played for Chelsea. They weren't given a real chance before being loaned/sold. Sancho came in for a huge fee and has made 80 odd appearances for Man U.

Drinkwater went to Chelsea on a free and Barkley was hardly expensive for Chelsea (the 2 examples given before my post). Aside from that nothing in the post I replied to or the 1 before it said anything about cost, just players who failed at a bigger club and then did well at another premier league club. I picked 4 players across 3 fairly different scenarios where it's happened on purpose, and I even said that the last one wasn't quite the same.

By making the price a big part of it you cut almost every player out because there's only been a handful in that price bracket. Even if you change the price to be relevant to the season it's still pretty rare for a guy who is in the top 2-3 most expensive in a window to have such a hard time and rarer still that they're a kid who should have his best years ahead of him, this would be the equivalent of Rooney failing at Man U or Shearer failing at Newcastle (which clearly didn't happen). 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 15, 2023, 04:22:25 PM
			

			

				^^ I thought Drinkwater went to Chelsea for about £30m?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on September 15, 2023, 04:33:30 PM
			

			

				Non of those came with a £350k pw price tag and having been thoroughly tested and found wanting at PL.

Both Drinkwater and Barkley joined Chelsea on the back of PL success.
Salah had 13 appearances for Chelsea and had been on loan for two seasons before joining Liverpool.
De Bruyne had 3 appearances for Chelsea and had been on loan for two seasons before joining Man City.

Non of these are remotely similar to Sancho's situation.

What is similar is when Drinkwater and Barkley were subsequently loaned out on ridiculous wages after a period of sustained underperformance in the PL.  I imagine similar could be said for Dele Alli, Lingard and David Bently
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on September 15, 2023, 04:46:24 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on September 15, 2023, 04:14:52 PM
Quote from: Risso on September 15, 2023, 03:47:04 PM
Salah and De Bruyne were young players who hardly played for Chelsea. They weren't given a real chance before being loaned/sold. Sancho came in for a huge fee and has made 80 odd appearances for Man U.

Drinkwater went to Chelsea on a free and Barkley was hardly expensive for Chelsea (the 2 examples given before my post). Aside from that nothing in the post I replied to or the 1 before it said anything about cost, just players who failed at a bigger club and then did well at another premier league club. I picked 4 players across 3 fairly different scenarios where it's happened on purpose, and I even said that the last one wasn't quite the same.

By making the price a big part of it you cut almost every player out because there's only been a handful in that price bracket. Even if you change the price to be relevant to the season it's still pretty rare for a guy who is in the top 2-3 most expensive in a window to have such a hard time and rarer still that they're a kid who should have his best years ahead of him, this would be the equivalent of Rooney failing at Man U or Shearer failing at Newcastle (which clearly didn't happen). 
Don't mean this to be a pile on, paul_e, but to me the transfer fee isn't that important.  Barkley & Drinkwater were brought in as first team players.  Salah & De Bruyne were both sold well before they could be considered first teamers.  They're very different situations.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on September 15, 2023, 04:53:40 PM
			

			

				Actually tbf the Zaha example isn't too bad, albeit he had had sustained success at PL level previously, so not too good either really.

Either way any team who takes on Sancho's wages (and no doubt Man U will want some fee) is taking a huge gamble.  It may pay off, but it's not where I'd put my money.  Now if it was a loan with an option to buy and based on very sensible wages, then I'd be far more interested. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: john e on September 15, 2023, 04:57:41 PM
			

			

				Absolute non starter if the Sancho’s on 350k a week no chance of this happening 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on September 15, 2023, 05:10:11 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: chrisw1 on September 15, 2023, 04:53:40 PM
Actually tbf the Zaha example isn't too bad, albeit he had had sustained success at PL level previously, so not too good either really.

I don't think there are really many comparable precedents, as most of the time young players aren't bought for huge money and then binned off quickly. Older ones sure, but you tend to want to protect the value of your asset unless you're a proper basket-case like Man Utd or Chelsea.

I'd argue the best comparison would probably be Lukaku. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Drummond on September 15, 2023, 05:21:46 PM
			

			

				Sancho will not be getting a £350k salary at his next club. If he leaves ManU as seems to be inevitable, then they will have to pay him off. IF we were to get him, he'd fit within our wage structure. As such, and if Emery and Monchi wanted him, I think he'd do a job for us. Diaby already looks different class and whilst Bailey may not be a world beater he's obviously doing rhe job that Emery wants. I think Sancho would be in the middle in terms of talent and ability.

Having said all that, if he joined us he could say goodbye to his hopes of playing for England again.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on September 15, 2023, 06:12:44 PM
			

			

				I never seen what all the fuss is about watching him play, not particularly fast or tricky, or powerful.

Man Ud have made some mental signings over the last few years, trying to stay relevant but forced to shop lower down in the market whilst paying inflated fees and wages because they're Man Utd.

They've completely full circled themselves back to the pre-Ferguson era.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on September 15, 2023, 06:20:31 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: algy on September 15, 2023, 04:46:24 PM
Don't mean this to be a pile on, paul_e, but to me the transfer fee isn't that important.  Barkley & Drinkwater were brought in as first team players.  Salah & De Bruyne were both sold well before they could be considered first teamers.  They're very different situations.

They are, but it's pretty irrelevant. The context was players who had failed at a 'big' club and then gone on and had a good career elsewhere in the premier league. Salah was a 20 year old with the best part of 100 games for Basel (including in the CL) and De Bruyne was 21 and had closer to 120 games to his name. They both failed at Chelsea and weren't signed as academy prospects.

I think the bit that is easier to argue is that both moved away from the league and then came back after a couple of years elsewhere, which is what I think Sancho should do and is why I don't think he'd be the right signing for us.

Zaha was then an example of someone who failed and then went straight back and carried on where he left off and Albrighton was one who broke through did well and then dropped out of favour before coming back elsewhere but he is a very different example.

As Dave says it's harder to get much closer as an example because what has happened with Sancho is very rare.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on September 15, 2023, 06:25:16 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on September 15, 2023, 06:12:44 PM
I never seen what all the fuss is about watching him play, not particularly fast or tricky, or powerful.

Man Ud have made some mental signings over the last few years, trying to stay relevant but forced to shop lower down in the market whilst paying inflated fees and wages because they're Man Utd.

They've completely full circled themselves back to the pre-Ferguson era.

He's very similar to Bailey in a lot of ways, quick but doesn't really use that pace, technically very good but not tricky with it, goes down too easily in the challenge a which makes him look weak but he is good at seeing space and getting on the ball in the right areas and can pull out some stunning finishes but also misses some simpler chances. Both have potential but had problems in their first year and haven't really recovered.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on September 15, 2023, 06:46:55 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on September 15, 2023, 06:20:31 PM
Quote from: algy on September 15, 2023, 04:46:24 PM
Don't mean this to be a pile on, paul_e, but to me the transfer fee isn't that important.  Barkley & Drinkwater were brought in as first team players.  Salah & De Bruyne were both sold well before they could be considered first teamers.  They're very different situations.

They are, but it's pretty irrelevant. The context was players who had failed at a 'big' club and then gone on and had a good career elsewhere in the premier league. Salah was a 20 year old with the best part of 100 games for Basel (including in the CL) and De Bruyne was 21 and had closer to 120 games to his name. They both failed at Chelsea and weren't signed as academy prospects.

I think the bit that is easier to argue is that both moved away from the league and then came back after a couple of years elsewhere, which is what I think Sancho should do and is why I don't think he'd be the right signing for us.

Zaha was then an example of someone who failed and then went straight back and carried on where he left off and Albrighton was one who broke through did well and then dropped out of favour before coming back elsewhere but he is a very different example.

As Dave says it's harder to get much closer as an example because what has happened with Sancho is very rare.
Well, you are right with Salah, De Bruyne, ... Lukaku is another, and Gary Cahill. It's a fair point.

However, without wanting to be a twat ... I made the comment that all this has stemmed from, so I'm claiming the context as being specifically 'first team' players ... ones who - for example - have been signed with the intention of them playing a significant number of first team games. Like Sancho, or Van Beek.

I'm sure there are examples where a player has not really made the grade at one club, then had a decent career at a different 'top' club. But they're the exception rather than the rule. The overwhelming majority of signings that, say, Man Utd have made that have not really worked out, haven't worked out because the player just isn't suited to - or isn't good enough - to playing at the top end of the Premier League. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on September 15, 2023, 07:15:02 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: algy on September 15, 2023, 06:46:55 PM
Quote from: paul_e on September 15, 2023, 06:20:31 PM
Quote from: algy on September 15, 2023, 04:46:24 PM
Don't mean this to be a pile on, paul_e, but to me the transfer fee isn't that important.  Barkley & Drinkwater were brought in as first team players.  Salah & De Bruyne were both sold well before they could be considered first teamers.  They're very different situations.

They are, but it's pretty irrelevant. The context was players who had failed at a 'big' club and then gone on and had a good career elsewhere in the premier league. Salah was a 20 year old with the best part of 100 games for Basel (including in the CL) and De Bruyne was 21 and had closer to 120 games to his name. They both failed at Chelsea and weren't signed as academy prospects.

I think the bit that is easier to argue is that both moved away from the league and then came back after a couple of years elsewhere, which is what I think Sancho should do and is why I don't think he'd be the right signing for us.

Zaha was then an example of someone who failed and then went straight back and carried on where he left off and Albrighton was one who broke through did well and then dropped out of favour before coming back elsewhere but he is a very different example.

As Dave says it's harder to get much closer as an example because what has happened with Sancho is very rare.
Well, you are right with Salah, De Bruyne, ... Lukaku is another, and Gary Cahill. It's a fair point.

However, without wanting to be a twat ... I made the comment that all this has stemmed from, so I'm claiming the context as being specifically 'first team' players ... ones who - for example - have been signed with the intention of them playing a significant number of first team games. Like Sancho, or Van Beek.

I'm sure there are examples where a player has not really made the grade at one club, then had a decent career at a different 'top' club. But they're the exception rather than the rule. The overwhelming majority of signings that, say, Man Utd have made that have not really worked out, haven't worked out because the player just isn't suited to - or isn't good enough - to playing at the top end of the Premier League. 

Fair enough, my only point of contention there is that I doubt anyone told Salah and de Bruyne (to stick to the 2 most clear examples) that they weren't being signed with the intention that they would be playing for the first team, they were 20 and 21 and had played plenty of first team games. also £16m and £8m respectively was decent money in 2012/13. Salah for example would've still been in our top 10 most expensive signings ever until last summer.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on September 19, 2023, 02:39:55 PM
			

			

				There's a Q&A on the club site with Monchi today. Some interesting bits about the summer transfer window. 

He confirms that the academy players were sold to balance FFP, and that most of them have buy back clauses so he feels we've covered ourselves well for those players. 

He also says that he had very little time to adapt for this window so they were working mostly off the club scouts and information he already had. So as some people theorised during the window, the fact most players were were linked with or signed were people Monchi or Emery had signed or worked with  before, was a result of him only joining this summer. So I'd expect to see something different come January or next summer. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on September 19, 2023, 05:55:06 PM
			

			

				Interesting. Whilst I’ve not seen the exact quotes, that may suggest that our future signings will be less well known, possibly less money too. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on September 19, 2023, 06:45:04 PM
			

			

				----- In terms of recruitment, are you always working two/three windows ahead or is there more of an emphasis on the here and now?

“There was no time for adaptation, and we tried to succeed in this transfer window with the information that was already in the club and that I could provide.

“The help of the Scouting Department; Rob, Bryn, Joseph, Adam…and Football Research; Frederik and Arjav have been very important.” ----- 

----- It was a busy summer window with plenty of activity both in and out of the club, how do you reflect on it overall?

“It has been a very complicated and hard-working summer, but I think we should be satisfied with what we have done, as we have kept all the important players plus the arrival of the five.

“The sales have basically been to balance our FFP, but in most cases we have repurchase options, so I think we have covered our backs. ----- 


			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Stinkin_Thinkin on September 19, 2023, 07:09:32 PM
			

			

				Ferguson from Brighton is the one we should be going all out for. Works hard, strong, great touch and knows where the net is. and you could easily double your money on him after a couple of seasons. 
Brighton are a selling club so there wouldn't be any tough negotiations, also he is so young we can spread the payments over a long contract chelsea style to keep the FFP boys at bay. Your could even get 40m from somewhere for Watkins to balance the books.
I always think buying the star players off your mid table rivals is a good way to jump a few places however I expect Brighton would have some other kid straight off the production line ready to fill his boots.

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on September 19, 2023, 07:17:27 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Stinkin_Thinkin on September 19, 2023, 07:09:32 PM
Ferguson from Brighton is the one we should be going all out for. Works hard, strong, great touch and knows where the net is. and you could easily double your money on him after a couple of seasons. 
Brighton are a selling club so there wouldn't be any tough negotiations, also he is so young we can spread the payments over a long contract chelsea style to keep the FFP boys at bay. Your could even get 40m from somewhere for Watkins to balance the books.
I always think buying the star players off your mid table rivals is a good way to jump a few places however I expect Brighton would have some other kid straight off the production line ready to fill his boots.

Brighton managed to get over 100m for Caicedo! Think Ferguson will have interest from a lot higher up the food chain than us unfortunately. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dante Lavelli on September 19, 2023, 07:18:24 PM
			

			

				Not sure you could double your money as they’d want a huge sums. From what I’ve read they out manoeuvred Man U to sign him so he has been on club’s radars for a while. 

I’d chuck £35m for him tomorrow but I suspect they’d want more. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ChicagoLion on September 19, 2023, 07:22:34 PM
			

			

				Brighton get top dollar for their players, so there will be tough negotiations and he will not be a double your money signing.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on September 19, 2023, 07:59:43 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on September 15, 2023, 06:12:44 PM
I never seen what all the fuss is about watching him play, not particularly fast or tricky, or powerful.

Man Ud have made some mental signings over the last few years, trying to stay relevant but forced to shop lower down in the market whilst paying inflated fees and wages because they're Man Utd.

They've completely full circled themselves back to the pre-Ferguson era.

He's one of those that needs a specific role in a well structured team like he had at Dortmund. He's not good enough to dominate a flank if for example the full back behind him like AWB is where the ball goes to die. Plenty of chat from all his clubs that he isn't exactly the most professional of players away from the pitch too. That summer they signed Ronaldo, Varane and Sancho it was meant to end with the PL trophy but instead was a car crash. Positive enough first season with EtH and already looking as if they are reverting to another car crash, likes of Casemiro appearing on his last legs. 

It's great to watch, just like Liverpool in the 90s. Every time they look to be getting into contention they fall away badly. What's funny is that they could have got Grealish in after our first season in the PL, instead they have wasted huge money on DvB and Sancho and can't give either away now. Grealish would have had the ego/belief to thrive there. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PeterWithe on September 19, 2023, 08:28:02 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: Stinkin_Thinkin on September 19, 2023, 07:09:32 PM
Ferguson from Brighton is the one we should be going all out for. Works hard, strong, great touch and knows where the net is. and you could easily double your money on him after a couple of seasons. 
Brighton are a selling club so there wouldn't be any tough negotiations, also he is so young we can spread the payments over a long contract chelsea style to keep the FFP boys at bay. Your could even get 40m from somewhere for Watkins to balance the books.
I always think buying the star players off your mid table rivals is a good way to jump a few places however I expect Brighton would have some other kid straight off the production line ready to fill his boots.

I dont think he's going anywhere but to a Champions League club and for top money. The ambition has to be to get players like him when then join Brighton, not when they leave them. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on September 19, 2023, 08:48:56 PM
			

			

				Ferguson's meant to already be on  Man City's radar. If we offered £35m for him, it would be a very short conversation and the last word would probably be 'off'. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: paul_e on September 19, 2023, 11:00:46 PM
			

			

				I'm sure I'll get some shit for this but I reckon that within 18months Duran will be at least on a par with Ferguson.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Gareth on September 19, 2023, 11:22:03 PM
			

			

				Ferguson will go next summer for big big money, 100m+ if he stays fit all season….might even be Jan if Brighton seriously threaten the top 4 & need derailing
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on September 19, 2023, 11:25:28 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: paul_e on September 19, 2023, 11:00:46 PM
I'm sure I'll get some shit for this but I reckon that within 18months Duran will be at least on a par with Ferguson.
Fingers crossed 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on September 19, 2023, 11:41:46 PM
			

			

				I wonder if looking at the players who left this window for "bigger" clubs would put Ferguson off moving so soon? Early days, I know, but MacAllister and Caicedo haven't had amazing starts with their new clubs. Would be nice to see Brighton be able to hold on to a player for once. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: brontebilly on September 19, 2023, 11:44:40 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on September 19, 2023, 11:41:46 PM
I wonder if looking at the players who left this window for "bigger" clubs would put Ferguson off moving so soon? Early days, I know, but MacAllister and Caicedo haven't had amazing starts with their new clubs. Would be nice to see Brighton be able to hold on to a player for once.

I can't recall too many players turning down the chance of playing CL football. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on September 19, 2023, 11:58:53 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: brontebilly on September 19, 2023, 11:44:40 PM
Quote from: AV84 on September 19, 2023, 11:41:46 PM
I wonder if looking at the players who left this window for "bigger" clubs would put Ferguson off moving so soon? Early days, I know, but MacAllister and Caicedo haven't had amazing starts with their new clubs. Would be nice to see Brighton be able to hold on to a player for once.

I can't recall too many players turning down the chance of playing CL football.

Brighton have as much chance of getting CL next season as most of the "big" clubs. Unless Haaland leaves I can't see how going to Man City would be better for a young player than staying at Brighton for another year or so. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: edgysatsuma89 on September 20, 2023, 12:17:02 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on September 19, 2023, 11:58:53 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on September 19, 2023, 11:44:40 PM
Quote from: AV84 on September 19, 2023, 11:41:46 PM
I wonder if looking at the players who left this window for "bigger" clubs would put Ferguson off moving so soon? Early days, I know, but MacAllister and Caicedo haven't had amazing starts with their new clubs. Would be nice to see Brighton be able to hold on to a player for once.

I can't recall too many players turning down the chance of playing CL football.

Brighton have as much chance of getting CL next season as most of the "big" clubs. Unless Haaland leaves I can't see how going to Man City would be better for a young player than staying at Brighton for another year or so.

Well I think that's what will happen. Ferguson will stay at Brighton for 1 to 2 more seasons and if he maintains his trajectory then they'll all be after him. Haaland will be gone in the next 2 seasons, his dad has insinuated it.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: VillaTim on September 20, 2023, 12:17:12 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: brontebilly on September 19, 2023, 11:44:40 PM
Quote from: AV84 on September 19, 2023, 11:41:46 PM
I wonder if looking at the players who left this window for "bigger" clubs would put Ferguson off moving so soon? Early days, I know, but MacAllister and Caicedo haven't had amazing starts with their new clubs. Would be nice to see Brighton be able to hold on to a player for once.

I can't recall too many players turning down the chance of playing CL football.
Or £300k a week . Unfortunately until Man City are charged and dealt with this Won't stop 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on September 20, 2023, 10:17:35 AM
			

			

				Saw this this morning.....  So anyone thinking we could throw in a 35mil bid for him is way off the mark. 

"United had a £50m bid for 18-year-old Republic of Ireland striker Evan Ferguson turned down by Brighton in the summer. (ESPN)"
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on September 20, 2023, 10:19:53 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on September 20, 2023, 10:17:35 AM
Saw this this morning.....  So anyone thinking we could throw in a 35mil bid for him is way off the mark. 

"United had a £50m bid for 18-year-old Republic of Ireland striker Evan Ferguson turned down by Brighton in the summer. (ESPN)"

Yup. He's got five years left on his contract and Brighton have made about half a billion pounds from player sales over the last few years. If any club / player ticked all the "don't need to sell" boxes, it's Ferguson and Brighton. Reckon it would take a new British record fee to get him. And we ain't paying that. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: SoccerHQ on September 20, 2023, 11:09:55 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on September 19, 2023, 08:48:56 PM
Ferguson's meant to already be on  Man City's radar. If we offered £35m for him, it would be a very short conversation and the last word would probably be 'off'. 

He also signed a new 5 year deal with Brighton end of last season.

He'll go for a Caceido fee easily in 2-3 years time if not more.

Now watching him at the weekend....Eze is one I'd love to go for eventually. Guess we might have to wait for Palace to get relegated and then snap him up for 40m or so like Spurs did with Maddison but he's a very very good player in the making with wonderful technique and could see him linking up so well with a Diaby type forward.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on September 20, 2023, 11:50:40 AM
			

			

				Wasn't Maddison going into the last year of his contract? 

Agreed about Eze though. Thought he was very good. I'm not sure how much our recruitment are looking at stand-out Championship players, we seem to have moved away from that. But players like Eze, Olise and Toney (Division One player when Brentford signed him) will come through and with a bit more development can become very good players without spending a fortune. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on September 20, 2023, 11:55:20 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on September 20, 2023, 11:50:40 AM
Wasn't Maddison going into the last year of his contract? 

Agreed about Eze though. Thought he was very good. I'm not sure how much our recruitment are looking at stand-out Championship players, we seem to have moved away from that. But players like Eze, Olise and Toney (Division One player when Brentford signed him) will come through and with a bit more development can become very good players without spending a fortune.

Saw this morning that Frank has said they'd be willing to sell Toney if the right offer came in. They want 60mil for him. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on September 20, 2023, 12:02:34 PM
			

			

				£60m would be good value in today's market. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: achilles on September 20, 2023, 01:47:16 PM
			

			

				By the way, who said that Joao Felix wasn't any good?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: frank black on September 20, 2023, 01:49:30 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: AV84 on September 20, 2023, 11:55:20 AM
Quote from: OCD on September 20, 2023, 11:50:40 AM
Wasn't Maddison going into the last year of his contract? 

Agreed about Eze though. Thought he was very good. I'm not sure how much our recruitment are looking at stand-out Championship players, we seem to have moved away from that. But players like Eze, Olise and Toney (Division One player when Brentford signed him) will come through and with a bit more development can become very good players without spending a fortune.

Saw this morning that Frank has said they'd be willing to sell Toney if the right offer came in. They want 60mil for him. 

I Bet he goes for more
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dick Edwards on September 20, 2023, 01:55:08 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: brontebilly on September 19, 2023, 11:44:40 PM
Quote from: AV84 on September 19, 2023, 11:41:46 PM
I wonder if looking at the players who left this window for "bigger" clubs would put Ferguson off moving so soon? Early days, I know, but MacAllister and Caicedo haven't had amazing starts with their new clubs. Would be nice to see Brighton be able to hold on to a player for once.

I can't recall too many players turning down the chance of playing CL football.

Caicedo isn't playing in any European football this season, let alone Champions League.
Chelsea have provided confirmation this summer (if any was needed) that players will go anywhere if the money is obscene enough.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: chrisw1 on September 20, 2023, 02:03:34 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: OCD on September 20, 2023, 12:02:34 PM
£60m would be good value in today's market. 
That would be an excellent buy.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on September 20, 2023, 02:33:59 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: achilles on September 20, 2023, 01:47:16 PM
By the way, who said that Joao Felix wasn't any good?

No one, we all thought he was silky and sexy. Why, what's he done?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on September 20, 2023, 02:37:33 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: SoccerHQ on September 20, 2023, 11:09:55 AM
Quote from: OCD on September 19, 2023, 08:48:56 PM
Ferguson's meant to already be on  Man City's radar. If we offered £35m for him, it would be a very short conversation and the last word would probably be 'off'. 

Now watching him at the weekend....Eze is one I'd love to go for eventually. Guess we might have to wait for Palace to get relegated and then snap him up for 40m or so like Spurs did with Maddison but he's a very very good player in the making with wonderful technique and could see him linking up so well with a Diaby type forward.

Watching Eze on Saturday made me pine for him/Grealish but I guess we don't need to rely on a tricky ball-carrier so much now with a midfield and attack that is pretty fluid in knowing their roles and all capable of doing multiple things. JJ kind of provides that directness, not so much in tricks, but certainly in end-product. 

As for Palace, I can't see them going down for a long time. They're the midtabliest of them all. Howe will throw in a panicky Newcastle offer next Jan/summer if he's still there for £66.67m.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on September 20, 2023, 02:45:13 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: eamonn on September 20, 2023, 02:37:33 PM
As for Palace, I can't see them going down for a long time. They're the midtabliest of them all.

At some point though they're not going to be able to rely on calling Roy out of retirement to keep them there. 

Seems like every time they try any other manager they screw it up, he comes back and keeps it ticking over for a couple more years, rinse and repeat.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: eamonn on September 20, 2023, 05:31:54 PM
			

			

				Maybe..I think they had enough quality under Vieria to be ok. He seemed to get canned after a difficult run of games with plenty of the season still to go, playing direct rivals. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: algy on September 21, 2023, 07:51:40 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: frank black on September 20, 2023, 01:49:30 PM
Quote from: AV84 on September 20, 2023, 11:55:20 AM
Quote from: OCD on September 20, 2023, 11:50:40 AM
Wasn't Maddison going into the last year of his contract? 

Agreed about Eze though. Thought he was very good. I'm not sure how much our recruitment are looking at stand-out Championship players, we seem to have moved away from that. But players like Eze, Olise and Toney (Division One player when Brentford signed him) will come through and with a bit more development can become very good players without spending a fortune.

Saw this morning that Frank has said they'd be willing to sell Toney if the right offer came in. They want 60mil for him. 

I Bet he goes for more
I can't think of anyone who'd take the gamble at that price. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Border villan on September 21, 2023, 09:28:17 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: algy on September 21, 2023, 07:51:40 AM
Quote from: frank black on September 20, 2023, 01:49:30 PM
Quote from: AV84 on September 20, 2023, 11:55:20 AM
Quote from: OCD on September 20, 2023, 11:50:40 AM
Wasn't Maddison going into the last year of his contract? 

Agreed about Eze though. Thought he was very good. I'm not sure how much our recruitment are looking at stand-out Championship players, we seem to have moved away from that. But players like Eze, Olise and Toney (Division One player when Brentford signed him) will come through and with a bit more development can become very good players without spending a fortune.

Saw this morning that Frank has said they'd be willing to sell Toney if the right offer came in. They want 60mil for him. 

I Bet he goes for more
I can't think of anyone who'd take the gamble at that price.

Odds-on someone will.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on September 21, 2023, 12:48:27 PM
			

			

				🙄
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on September 25, 2023, 11:38:04 PM
			

			

				Saw this on BBC website. Thought it was worth sharing given our own links with Abraham this summer. 


Roma are keen to turn 30-year-old Belgium striker Romelu Lukaku's loan from Chelsea into a permanent deal and may offer England striker Tammy Abraham, 25, in part-exchange. (Calciomercatoweb - in Italian)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Exeter 77 on September 26, 2023, 08:35:01 AM
			

			

				That would be the Tammy Abraham who is recovering from an ACL injury and probably won't play before March at the earliest. Just a story to fill a space.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Hookeysmith on September 26, 2023, 02:15:15 PM
			

			

				These media outlets are a joke - and this is the BBC for FS  ::)
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: PaulWinch again on September 26, 2023, 02:24:15 PM
			

			

				It’s just the gossip column isn’t it?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on September 26, 2023, 02:27:12 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: PaulWinch again on September 26, 2023, 02:24:15 PM
It’s just the gossip column isn’t it?

And I imagine that next summer it's pretty easy to see all four parties involved being happy with a deal that saw a straight swap, Abraham for Lukaku.

There's no reason at all that couldn't happen.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: olaftab on October 03, 2023, 03:06:48 PM
			

			

				When Jan transfer thread starts this guy, Serhou Guirassy,  has to be top of wanted list. He’s free scoring in a very ordinary Bundesliga team:

(https://i.ibb.co/bJ1wxLK/CDFB870-D-673-B-4-A08-98-C4-0-E68-B2-F1-C8-DA.jpg) (https://ibb.co/bJ1wxLK)

			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on October 03, 2023, 03:08:48 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: olaftab on October 03, 2023, 03:06:48 PM
When Jan transfer thread starts this guy, Serhou Guirassy,  has to be top of wanted list. He’s free scoring in a very ordinary Bundesliga team:

(https://i.ibb.co/bJ1wxLK/CDFB870-D-673-B-4-A08-98-C4-0-E68-B2-F1-C8-DA.jpg) (https://ibb.co/bJ1wxLK)


He's the guy that was called something else before because of passport issues isn't he?
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on October 03, 2023, 03:10:11 PM
			

			

				Apparently he turned down Chelsea in 2020 prioritising playing time instead. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: LeeB on October 03, 2023, 03:12:12 PM
			

			

				Anyway, the third guy in the list would kick up a stink the Premier League, for sure.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on October 03, 2023, 03:32:06 PM
			

			

				We're already being linked with players for January. Dani Ceballos for £18 million, and we're after Neto too, apparently.  

Too early? 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: coreyfeldman on October 03, 2023, 03:39:40 PM
			

			

				Neto is some talent, have always hoped we'd nick him
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 03, 2023, 03:40:30 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: LeeB on October 03, 2023, 03:12:12 PM
Anyway, the third guy in the list would kick up a stink the Premier League, for sure.

The fourth guy wouldn’t be much use, he looks really thin and malnourished
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: AV84 on October 03, 2023, 03:42:39 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: coreyfeldman on October 03, 2023, 03:39:40 PM
Neto is some talent, have always hoped we'd nick him

Liverpool want him if Salah goes in January. Hopefully he really loves living in the general Birmingham area and doesn't fancy moving house. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: OCD on October 03, 2023, 05:12:55 PM
			

			

				
Quote from: olaftab on October 03, 2023, 03:06:48 PM
When Jan transfer thread starts this guy, Serhou Guirassy,  has to be top of wanted list. He’s free scoring in a very ordinary Bundesliga team:

(https://i.ibb.co/bJ1wxLK/CDFB870-D-673-B-4-A08-98-C4-0-E68-B2-F1-C8-DA.jpg) (https://ibb.co/bJ1wxLK)


Wasn't particularly prolific in previous seasons looking at his stats. 
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Dave on February 04, 2024, 09:11:59 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on August 16, 2023, 05:52:59 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 16, 2023, 01:07:59 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 16, 2023, 01:04:21 PM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on August 16, 2023, 12:57:38 PM
Sheffield United rumoured to have put in a 10M bid for Archer. We are not the only team putting cheeky low offers in for players.

So they value him at less than half a 2020 Rhian Brewster. 

I know we’ve done well with the odd sale in the past few years but for Liverpool to con them out of £20m for Brewster was massively impressive.

Just catching up. Also Jordan Ibe and Dominic Solanke. Thick end of £60m for those three.

(Thread necromancy)

Funny how careers diverge. Two examples of failure from as recently as last summer, one of them now with a chance of a trip to a tournament with England and a £60m transfer, the other made his National League debut yesterday for Ebbsfleet.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: Ian. on February 04, 2024, 11:32:05 AM
			

			

				
Quote from: coreyfeldman on October 03, 2023, 03:39:40 PM
Neto is some talent, have always hoped we'd nick him

 I really like him, he always looks dangerous and even when Wolves are not playing well you always think while he’s on the pitch anything can happen.

However, while we have Bailey and Diably I cant see us going for him. He’s also going to cost someone a huge amount of money.
			

			

				Title: Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

				Post by: ASHTONVILLA on February 05, 2024, 05:06:12 PM
			

			

				Missed the end of the window as was in rural Zimbabwe, but very much pleased we now have a reserve goalie, back-up for Ollie and back-up for Cash.

Also chuffed I missed the 5-0 win whilst chugging beers in the Krueger. Back to the new post SUE normality.
			

		

		
	
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