2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

[ASHTONVILLA]

We think a job that is less important is more valuable than a more common one that can be literally life or death. That’s the real point I think.

Big difference between valuable and lucrative. We all should be thankful for the people in valuable and non-lucrative jobs out there.

Stil remember my grandad ripping up his season ticket when he heard Paul McGrath was earning a grand a week. Thought it was obscene. He soon got a relacement season ticket mind.

As for obscene. Market forces decide these things, and while the market is not always moral removing it only ever makes things worse.

[Sexual Ealing]

Sure it does.

[Drummond]

Absolutely.

We are a society that values someone who can kick a ball infinitely more than we value a paramedic who will save our lives, or a firefighter who risks their life to save ours.

No we're not.

The TV companies do.

[Pete3206]

We will not be buying Jadon Sancho.

Thank fuck for that.

[charlatan]

Absolutely.

We are a society that values someone who can kick a ball infinitely more than we value a paramedic who will save our lives, or a firefighter who risks their life to save ours.

No we're not.

The TV companies do.

Because you have no interest in paying them to show you paramedics or firefighters in action (or generally in inaction in the latter case).

[Sexual Ealing]

Absolutely.

We are a society that values someone who can kick a ball infinitely more than we value a paramedic who will save our lives, or a firefighter who risks their life to save ours.

No we're not.

The TV companies do.

Because you have no interest in paying them to show you paramedics or firefighters in action (or generally in inaction in the latter case).

Yeah, those pricks, refusing to start fires.

Edit: I know you're our resident Jordan Peterson, Charlatan, and - like the man himself - you don't half talk bollocks.

[saunders_heroes]

Absolutely.

We are a society that values someone who can kick a ball infinitely more than we value a paramedic who will save our lives, or a firefighter who risks their life to save ours.

No we're not.

The TV companies do.

Because you have no interest in paying them to show you paramedics or firefighters in action (or generally in inaction in the latter case).

Firefighters get paid for what they're prepared to do rather than what they actually (mostly) do.

[charlatan]

Of course and so their rate of pay per hour of doing what they are prepared to do is very high.

[tomd2103]

We won't buy Johnson & Diaby.

Huh.. didn't we put through a legitimate bid for Diaby?

We won't buy both.

Why wouldn't we? You don't think we're going to try and buy 2 forwards or is it because you think it'll cost too much? I'm fully expecting us to buy 2 forwards and if it's right Diaby can play centrally then it would make sense.

We're not going to buy 2 players who essentially offer the same. I think we will buy a second forward but it'll be someone with different attributes.

I don't think they would offer the same.  Johnson would come in as competition to Ollie Watkins first and foremost and could be utilised as a wide player if needed, though he is less effective out there. 

From the little I have seen of him, Diaby looks like a wide player who can also play the 'number 10' role.  I could see us going for both to be honest.  A back-up right back and keeper won't cost too much, so I could see us bringing in two more big signings.

[saunders_heroes]

Of course and so their rate of pay per hour of doing what they are prepared to do is very high.

Yep. I'd pay them more as well.

[Rory]

Absolutely.

We are a society that values someone who can kick a ball infinitely more than we value a paramedic who will save our lives, or a firefighter who risks their life to save ours.

No we're not.

The TV companies do.

Because you have no interest in paying them to show you paramedics or firefighters in action (or generally in inaction in the latter case).

To be fair, I've stayed out of this one, but please don't be having a go at the emergency services, mate. It's not on.

[CT Villan]

The problem with this latest debate is that you are not comparing like with like.
EPL players are the elite of football players and are paid accordingly. There are thousands of professional footballers who don't earn anything like as much as doctors do.

[Rory]

The problem with this latest debate is that you are not comparing like with like.
EPL players are the elite of football players and are paid accordingly. There are thousands of professional footballers who don't earn anything like as much as doctors do.

A perfectly valid point, CT, but no consultant earns in a year what the best-paid footballers do in a month, and there are thousands of nurses who have studied and worked hard for years - and continue to do so - who use food banks.

I don't really want to get into detail, because anyone who truly believes that 'the market' delivers financial outcomes that are anything close to fair simply hasn't been paying attention to, well, anything in the history of the world, but give me four years of training at each and I reckon I'd be better at kicking a ball than delivering a baby.

Sure, I'd still be too old and slow and misplace a fair few passes, but I wouldn't be pulling a baby's head off.

[Scott Nielsen]

Absolutely.

We are a society that values someone who can kick a ball infinitely more than we value a paramedic who will save our lives, or a firefighter who risks their life to save ours.

No we're not.

The TV companies do.

Because you have no interest in paying them to show you paramedics or firefighters in action (or generally in inaction in the latter case).

Yeah, those pricks, refusing to start fires.

Edit: I know you're our resident Jordan Peterson, Charlatan, and - like the man himself - you don't half talk bollocks.

It's true though, no? The bit about what we want to see on our TVs. We also like to pay a lot to see actors pretending to be doctors, nurses and firefighters. Just not the real thing.

PS. I have read Peterson's book*. You should too, it is very funny. Unintentionally so, but still. 

* An acquitance, who's general outlook on life deviates significantly from mine, gifted it to me on the only condition I would actually read it. He claimed in all sincerity it would prove life changing. I did read it and have never been able to take him seriously since. It's not so much that I have a problem with him having a different perspective on things, but the fact he found that drivel convincing.

[Villatillidie25]

The problem with this latest debate is that you are not comparing like with like.
EPL players are the elite of football players and are paid accordingly. There are thousands of professional footballers who don't earn anything like as much as doctors do.

A perfectly valid point, CT, but no consultant earns in a year what the best-paid footballers do in a month, and there are thousands of nurses who have studied and worked hard for years - and continue to do so - who use food banks.

I don't really want to get into detail, because anyone who truly believes that 'the market' delivers financial outcomes that are anything close to fair simply hasn't been paying attention to, well, anything in the history of the world, but give me four years of training at each and I reckon I'd be better at kicking a ball than delivering a baby.

Sure, I'd still be too old and slow and misplace a fair few passes, but I wouldn't be pulling a baby's head off.

I sincerely hope not given it takes 3 years to train to be a midwife. That’s a lot of babies losing heads if that’s the case. Anyway just a bit tongue in cheek.
 In no way do I think what elite footballers get paid is sensible or fair. However, slightly different slant on the discussion.
Elite footballers (ie regular starters in the top 5 leagues in Europe) probably earn, on average, £30k per week. that’s a bit of an estimate tbh but a £1-2m salary a year sounds in the right ball park. These people represent the top 1000 in their profession. Of the, literally, millions of doctors, the top 1000 in their profession will absolutely be earning at least £1-2m per year.
Just a slightly different way of thinking about it before we hang anyone working outside the emergency services earning a good salary