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Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
« Reply #1425 on: May 24, 2023, 06:35:19 PM »
Can’t see why Cash wouldn’t be suitable for football, for me, he’s very similar to Moreno on the other side who the manager actually bought in as his pick



I agree John. Cash's crossing isn't the best, but crossing doesn't appear to be a big part of how Emery sets up, so I can't see that that really matters.

And thank the sweet baby Jesus for that. For years, perhaps even decades, I've been heartily sick of seeing us cross pointless balls into an opposition box containing six defenders and one diminutive striker. Tedious, ugly and counterproductive.

I think I'm having that last sentence as my new LinkedIn bio.

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Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
« Reply #1426 on: May 24, 2023, 06:38:48 PM »
The bit in bold is harsh. I certainly don't base my opinions on the crap Footie comes out with.

Maybe but he was throwing that around so much that some things, like Young being first choice when both are fit and available, has turned into a fact for some when it's nothing of the sort. I don't think it's that people have read it and agreed but more that they see Young in the team and the drip feed of made up nonsense makes people notice it more.

You can see the same with his "Emery and Martinez don't like each other" myth where he was genuinely arguing that Olsen would be first choice (and then back-tracked massively when it turned out Olsen was just as shit as we thought and he was only playing because Martinez was unavailable).  It means when people see stories linking Martinez to shit like Tottenham and Chelsea they start to think it might happen despite everything Emi says about the club and the fact that he's openly (and I suspect partially in jest) tapping up players like Dybala and Messi for us.

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Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
« Reply #1427 on: May 24, 2023, 07:07:36 PM »
The gutter press are still using that line about Martinez. Gets on my nerves. I've stopped reading any of the stuff about him leaving. I just don't buy into it until I see some actual evidence to that (which hopefully I won't).

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« Reply #1428 on: May 24, 2023, 07:16:42 PM »
The bit in bold is harsh. I certainly don't base my opinions on the crap Footie comes out with.

but more that they see Young in the team and the drip feed of made up nonsense makes people notice it more.


Drip feed? More like a fucking avalanche.

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Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
« Reply #1429 on: May 24, 2023, 08:39:31 PM »
Cash is crap going forward. He can't cross to save his life. Great athleticism and pace defensively, though.

What you have described arguably complements Moreno on the other side, Cash sits whilst Moreno bombs forward.  He just needs more time under Emery’s coaching.
« Last Edit: May 24, 2023, 08:41:32 PM by Dante Lavelli »

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« Reply #1430 on: May 24, 2023, 09:09:13 PM »
Cash hasn’t really had a sustained period of playing under Emery. The WC and then injuries have disrupted his development. Long term is like him to stay ideally as a back up to a proper top RB who naturally plays the Emery way.

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Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
« Reply #1431 on: May 24, 2023, 09:15:35 PM »
The Independent saying we are apparently leading the race for Harvey Barnes. I wouldn't mind this at the right price.

In his last four Prem seasons, he's got 56 goal contributions, one every 1.7 matches on minutes played.

Compare that with Bailey - 11 goal contributions in last two Prem seasons one every 2.7 matches on minutes played.

The only issue for me would be the price. He's still got a couple of years on his contract, so you'd think Leicester will be looking to cash in as much as they can when the other decent players are all up sooner.
id be all over this - hes scored 12 in 33 for Leicester, Watkins is 14 in 36.  I think he would be a great addition, with very little risk and I think he would fit Unai's style.

FWIW - think cash doea too.  Before hes last injury I thought his last couple of performances were some of his best for us.

Crossing is poor - but I think that can be worked on. 

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Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
« Reply #1432 on: May 24, 2023, 11:08:50 PM »
You get the feeling Cash has struggled to adjust to what Emery wants him to do and it wouldn't be a surprise if we sold him and then bought a Walker-Pieters or someone of that ilk (there's been a few links to Dumfries too). His value has probably fallen as he's not a mainstay in the team like he used to be. Probably more like £25m.

Since joining us Cashy has played in a very strong defensive season (20/21), become a senior international and started knock out game in World cup and will have played nearly 30 times in team who will hopefully make europe.

Not sure how that's only added 5m or so to his transfer value and I imagine we'll have to pay Forest a little extra if we do qualify for Europa.

Man. United probably sell Wan Bisaaka for 30-35m so Cash imo is in that price bracket now.

He's generally started pretty much every game for Emery he's been fit for and we've kept many clean sheets so at worst he's a squad player next season but I do think he still has a decent part to play. Emery put him in at Anfield and balanced it up with Digne as more conservative of the two so that probably gives you a hint of the profile of RB we want in the summer e.g. more of a conservative one.

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Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
« Reply #1433 on: May 24, 2023, 11:12:44 PM »
You get the feeling Cash has struggled to adjust to what Emery wants him to do and it wouldn't be a surprise if we sold him and then bought a Walker-Pieters or someone of that ilk (there's been a few links to Dumfries too). His value has probably fallen as he's not a mainstay in the team like he used to be. Probably more like £25m.

He's been out of the team because of getting a break after the world cup and being injured, when he's been fit he's played so I don't understand why so many have bought into the footy conspiracy that he's not smart enough for Emery.

Of course, but bare in mind the context of the post came after a few pages of discussing saleable assets and how much Cash might be worth.

One of Emery's tactics he uses to protect a lead is to put Ash on at right back and move Cash to right midfield. That still says to me that Emery sees Cash as he's attack-minded full-back and that he'll look to bring in someone who's better defensively.

I don't disagree that he might be the best option to sell to bring in a bit of profit I just think the bold bit is unfair. For example you say one tactic is to move Cash into midfield in front of Ash but at the weekend we did the opposite and had Ash in front until he had to go to left back. More importantly I don't think they've played together enough for us to draw any real conclusion either way, it's happened in about 3-4 games and for a total of about 2 hours of game time.

Wasn't it Wolves at home when we started Cash at right midfield and that was probably Emery's worst tactical move since joining as we barely had a kick in the first hour and thankfully that experiment was never repeated from the start.

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« Reply #1434 on: May 25, 2023, 12:16:07 AM »
This just isn't true. Since the world cup Cash has 7 starts, has been on the bench 6 times and come on in 5 of those (Liverpool as the first game back being the exception), has missed 8 games through injury and wasn't in the squad for 1 game (against Leeds). Given most people thought Young was playing well over Christmas it taking 6 games for Cash to get into the side is no great shock but since he started at Arsenal the only game he's been fit for and hasn't started was Tottenham when he was coming back from injury. As I say, the idea Emery has been not playing him is a myth that doesn't hold up to any analysis.

You haven’t included Ashley Young’s availability in your analysis Paul and if he was being rested when Cash has started.  I still think we would see Young starting on Sunday if both were fit and available.

As I say, I have got no issues with Marty Cash at all.  He has done well for us, but as I say, we just might need better in that position if we are to progress further.

Indeed I haven't because there isn't a single game where Young hasn't been in the matchday squad, I have no idea if the games he didn't start were him being rested or Cash being preferred and that's kinda my point. I'm being semantic but I'm fed up of this lazy idea that Emery doesn't like Cash. On here it's about 90% due to a load of bollocks that footy posted on about 6 different threads between the world cup and Cash getting back into the team.

What really happened is Cash went to the world cup, missed a lot of training and arrived back at the club a few days before the Liverpool match so Young started and played well, so he kept the shirt for a few games whilst ash settled back in and got used to playing in what was clearly a revamped defensive shape (as shown by the vast improvement in our defence since christmas). Once he was fit and prepared he got into the team until he picked up an injury. That's it, there's no need for conspiracy theories or nonsense about footballing intelligence.

That out of the way I do agree that after replacing Buendia and/or Bailey the next spot on the list where we can upgrade might be Cash (Konsa is the other option) but if we don't and instead we sign options that rotate with them I'd be happy with that as well.

Some fair points there Paul.  As I say, I have no issues at all with Matty Cash and the need for a right back with a similar attacking flair to Moreno is somewhat reduced given that we do play with a wide right attacking player at times. 

Wouldn't be at all bothered if we started next season with him and Ashley Young as our RB options, but just have a hunch that we may listen to offers for him and Digne should they come in.

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Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
« Reply #1435 on: May 25, 2023, 01:51:03 AM »
Cash and Young are not a RB duo that will get us into the top six, imo. Lacks dynamism, its a bit MON 2009. Get rid of one and get someone more technical like Moreno in, so we have aggressive attacking and solid defensive options on both sides. Digne's wages will probably keep him here but he can be solid for us and still offer something in attack.

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Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
« Reply #1436 on: May 25, 2023, 06:09:44 AM »
Cash and Young are not a RB duo that will get us into the top six, imo. Lacks dynamism, its a bit MON 2009. Get rid of one and get someone more technical like Moreno in, so we have aggressive attacking and solid defensive options on both sides. Digne's wages will probably keep him here but he can be solid for us and still offer something in attack.

Yet here we are, with them as our options, sitting 7th, and top 3 on form since the manager arrived.

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« Reply #1437 on: May 25, 2023, 06:29:34 AM »
My concern with Cash is that he is sometimes  reckless, gets caught wrong side and gives away unnecessary free kicks.
I think RB is a position we need to upgrade.

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« Reply #1438 on: May 25, 2023, 07:34:45 AM »
You get the feeling Cash has struggled to adjust to what Emery wants him to do and it wouldn't be a surprise if we sold him and then bought a Walker-Pieters or someone of that ilk (there's been a few links to Dumfries too). His value has probably fallen as he's not a mainstay in the team like he used to be. Probably more like £25m.

He's been out of the team because of getting a break after the world cup and being injured, when he's been fit he's played so I don't understand why so many have bought into the footy conspiracy that he's not smart enough for Emery.

Of course, but bare in mind the context of the post came after a few pages of discussing saleable assets and how much Cash might be worth.

One of Emery's tactics he uses to protect a lead is to put Ash on at right back and move Cash to right midfield. That still says to me that Emery sees Cash as he's attack-minded full-back and that he'll look to bring in someone who's better defensively.

I don't disagree that he might be the best option to sell to bring in a bit of profit I just think the bold bit is unfair. For example you say one tactic is to move Cash into midfield in front of Ash but at the weekend we did the opposite and had Ash in front until he had to go to left back. More importantly I don't think they've played together enough for us to draw any real conclusion either way, it's happened in about 3-4 games and for a total of about 2 hours of game time.

Wasn't it Wolves at home when we started Cash at right midfield and that was probably Emery's worst tactical move since joining as we barely had a kick in the first hour and thankfully that experiment was never repeated from the start.
I take your Cash at right midfield and raise you Olsen playing either cup game as the worst tactical move :-)


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Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
« Reply #1439 on: May 25, 2023, 08:43:36 AM »
Why are people trying to sell our captain? As for his goals record, unlike with Scotland his position isn’t about getting into the box all the time, last 3 months he has embraced Emery’s tactics more than anyone and has been absolutely excellent - totally not on the sales list for me.
Aston Villa want to secure the long-term futures of John McGinn and Ollie Watkins with new contracts before the transfer window opens next month.

Villa’s head coach, Unai Emery, has told the club that new contracts for the pair are crucial before next season when the expectation is that the club will push on to challenge the top six.



 


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