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Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
« Reply #1410 on: May 24, 2023, 12:37:39 PM »
You get the feeling Cash has struggled to adjust to what Emery wants him to do and it wouldn't be a surprise if we sold him and then bought a Walker-Pieters or someone of that ilk (there's been a few links to Dumfries too). His value has probably fallen as he's not a mainstay in the team like he used to be. Probably more like £25m.

He's been out of the team because of getting a break after the world cup and being injured, when he's been fit he's played so I don't understand why so many have bought into the footy conspiracy that he's not smart enough for Emery.

Of course, but bare in mind the context of the post came after a few pages of discussing saleable assets and how much Cash might be worth.

One of Emery's tactics he uses to protect a lead is to put Ash on at right back and move Cash to right midfield. That still says to me that Emery sees Cash as he's attack-minded full-back and that he'll look to bring in someone who's better defensively.

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Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
« Reply #1411 on: May 24, 2023, 12:54:22 PM »
You get the feeling Cash has struggled to adjust to what Emery wants him to do and it wouldn't be a surprise if we sold him and then bought a Walker-Pieters or someone of that ilk (there's been a few links to Dumfries too). His value has probably fallen as he's not a mainstay in the team like he used to be. Probably more like £25m.

He's been out of the team because of getting a break after the world cup and being injured, when he's been fit he's played so I don't understand why so many have bought into the footy conspiracy that he's not smart enough for Emery.

Of course, but bare in mind the context of the post came after a few pages of discussing saleable assets and how much Cash might be worth.

One of Emery's tactics he uses to protect a lead is to put Ash on at right back and move Cash to right midfield. That still says to me that Emery sees Cash as he's attack-minded full-back and that he'll look to bring in someone who's better defensively.

I don't disagree that he might be the best option to sell to bring in a bit of profit I just think the bold bit is unfair. For example you say one tactic is to move Cash into midfield in front of Ash but at the weekend we did the opposite and had Ash in front until he had to go to left back. More importantly I don't think they've played together enough for us to draw any real conclusion either way, it's happened in about 3-4 games and for a total of about 2 hours of game time.

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Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
« Reply #1412 on: May 24, 2023, 01:07:22 PM »
I can only comment on what I've seen so far. Cash did need a little longer to adjust but that was because he was away at the World Cup and missed some crucial training that benefitted others. Then when he took the first choice right back spot back, he got injured and missed a fair few games. It remains to be seen but hard to just say that on a discussion forum.

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Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
« Reply #1413 on: May 24, 2023, 01:12:05 PM »
Cash is crap going forward. He can't cross to save his life. Great athleticism and pace defensively, though.

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Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
« Reply #1414 on: May 24, 2023, 01:26:48 PM »
Just to wind back a bit, if people think he's a good fit to bring in some extra funds and be upgraded then fine but lets not make that decision based on a myth that Emery has been reluctant to play him, when he's been fit and available he's generally started games, despite Young being in fantastic form when he's deputised.

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« Reply #1415 on: May 24, 2023, 01:43:44 PM »
Just to wind back a bit, if people think he's a good fit to bring in some extra funds and be upgraded then fine but lets not make that decision based on a myth that Emery has been reluctant to play him, when he's been fit and available he's generally started games, despite Young being in fantastic form when he's deputised.

There have been rumours that Emery doesn't really fancy him and he could be moving on in the summer for some time now.  Young has played ahead of him most of the time since he got back from the World Cup and seems to be the number one choice at RB. 

I like Matty Cash and he has done well for us, but I just can't help but feel that he falls into the category of players that need upgrading if we are to really progress.

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Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
« Reply #1416 on: May 24, 2023, 02:40:12 PM »
Just to wind back a bit, if people think he's a good fit to bring in some extra funds and be upgraded then fine but lets not make that decision based on a myth that Emery has been reluctant to play him, when he's been fit and available he's generally started games, despite Young being in fantastic form when he's deputised.

There have been rumours that Emery doesn't really fancy him and he could be moving on in the summer for some time now.  Young has played ahead of him most of the time since he got back from the World Cup and seems to be the number one choice at RB. 

I like Matty Cash and he has done well for us, but I just can't help but feel that he falls into the category of players that need upgrading if we are to really progress.

This just isn't true. Since the world cup Cash has 7 starts, has been on the bench 6 times and come on in 5 of those (Liverpool as the first game back being the exception), has missed 8 games through injury and wasn't in the squad for 1 game (against Leeds). Given most people thought Young was playing well over Christmas it taking 6 games for Cash to get into the side is no great shock but since he started at Arsenal the only game he's been fit for and hasn't started was Tottenham when he was coming back from injury. As I say, the idea Emery has been not playing him is a myth that doesn't hold up to any analysis.

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Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
« Reply #1417 on: May 24, 2023, 03:37:18 PM »
The Independent saying we are apparently leading the race for Harvey Barnes. I wouldn't mind this at the right price.

In his last four Prem seasons, he's got 56 goal contributions, one every 1.7 matches on minutes played.

Compare that with Bailey - 11 goal contributions in last two Prem seasons one every 2.7 matches on minutes played.

The only issue for me would be the price. He's still got a couple of years on his contract, so you'd think Leicester will be looking to cash in as much as they can when the other decent players are all up sooner.

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Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
« Reply #1418 on: May 24, 2023, 04:12:55 PM »
Can’t see why Cash wouldn’t be suitable for football, for me, he’s very similar to Moreno on the other side who the manager actually bought in as his pick


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Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
« Reply #1419 on: May 24, 2023, 04:37:56 PM »
Just to wind back a bit, if people think he's a good fit to bring in some extra funds and be upgraded then fine but lets not make that decision based on a myth that Emery has been reluctant to play him, when he's been fit and available he's generally started games, despite Young being in fantastic form when he's deputised.

There have been rumours that Emery doesn't really fancy him and he could be moving on in the summer for some time now.  Young has played ahead of him most of the time since he got back from the World Cup and seems to be the number one choice at RB. 

I like Matty Cash and he has done well for us, but I just can't help but feel that he falls into the category of players that need upgrading if we are to really progress.

This just isn't true. Since the world cup Cash has 7 starts, has been on the bench 6 times and come on in 5 of those (Liverpool as the first game back being the exception), has missed 8 games through injury and wasn't in the squad for 1 game (against Leeds). Given most people thought Young was playing well over Christmas it taking 6 games for Cash to get into the side is no great shock but since he started at Arsenal the only game he's been fit for and hasn't started was Tottenham when he was coming back from injury. As I say, the idea Emery has been not playing him is a myth that doesn't hold up to any analysis.

Thanks for doing the research and saving me posting Paul. This is exactly what I was thinking while being too lazy to find the evidence.

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« Reply #1420 on: May 24, 2023, 05:21:59 PM »
Just to wind back a bit, if people think he's a good fit to bring in some extra funds and be upgraded then fine but lets not make that decision based on a myth that Emery has been reluctant to play him, when he's been fit and available he's generally started games, despite Young being in fantastic form when he's deputised.

There have been rumours that Emery doesn't really fancy him and he could be moving on in the summer for some time now.  Young has played ahead of him most of the time since he got back from the World Cup and seems to be the number one choice at RB. 

I like Matty Cash and he has done well for us, but I just can't help but feel that he falls into the category of players that need upgrading if we are to really progress.

This just isn't true. Since the world cup Cash has 7 starts, has been on the bench 6 times and come on in 5 of those (Liverpool as the first game back being the exception), has missed 8 games through injury and wasn't in the squad for 1 game (against Leeds). Given most people thought Young was playing well over Christmas it taking 6 games for Cash to get into the side is no great shock but since he started at Arsenal the only game he's been fit for and hasn't started was Tottenham when he was coming back from injury. As I say, the idea Emery has been not playing him is a myth that doesn't hold up to any analysis.

You haven’t included Ashley Young’s availability in your analysis Paul and if he was being rested when Cash has started.  I still think we would see Young starting on Sunday if both were fit and available.

As I say, I have got no issues with Matty Cash at all.  He has done well for us, but as I say, we just might need better in that position if we are to progress further.
« Last Edit: May 24, 2023, 05:39:38 PM by tomd2103 »

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Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
« Reply #1421 on: May 24, 2023, 05:51:44 PM »
This just isn't true. Since the world cup Cash has 7 starts, has been on the bench 6 times and come on in 5 of those (Liverpool as the first game back being the exception), has missed 8 games through injury and wasn't in the squad for 1 game (against Leeds). Given most people thought Young was playing well over Christmas it taking 6 games for Cash to get into the side is no great shock but since he started at Arsenal the only game he's been fit for and hasn't started was Tottenham when he was coming back from injury. As I say, the idea Emery has been not playing him is a myth that doesn't hold up to any analysis.

You haven’t included Ashley Young’s availability in your analysis Paul and if he was being rested when Cash has started.  I still think we would see Young starting on Sunday if both were fit and available.

As I say, I have got no issues with Marty Cash at all.  He has done well for us, but as I say, we just might need better in that position if we are to progress further.

Indeed I haven't because there isn't a single game where Young hasn't been in the matchday squad, I have no idea if the games he didn't start were him being rested or Cash being preferred and that's kinda my point. I'm being semantic but I'm fed up of this lazy idea that Emery doesn't like Cash. On here it's about 90% due to a load of bollocks that footy posted on about 6 different threads between the world cup and Cash getting back into the team.

What really happened is Cash went to the world cup, missed a lot of training and arrived back at the club a few days before the Liverpool match so Young started and played well, so he kept the shirt for a few games whilst ash settled back in and got used to playing in what was clearly a revamped defensive shape (as shown by the vast improvement in our defence since christmas). Once he was fit and prepared he got into the team until he picked up an injury. That's it, there's no need for conspiracy theories or nonsense about footballing intelligence.

That out of the way I do agree that after replacing Buendia and/or Bailey the next spot on the list where we can upgrade might be Cash (Konsa is the other option) but if we don't and instead we sign options that rotate with them I'd be happy with that as well.

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Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
« Reply #1422 on: May 24, 2023, 06:00:48 PM »
This just isn't true. Since the world cup Cash has 7 starts, has been on the bench 6 times and come on in 5 of those (Liverpool as the first game back being the exception), has missed 8 games through injury and wasn't in the squad for 1 game (against Leeds). Given most people thought Young was playing well over Christmas it taking 6 games for Cash to get into the side is no great shock but since he started at Arsenal the only game he's been fit for and hasn't started was Tottenham when he was coming back from injury. As I say, the idea Emery has been not playing him is a myth that doesn't hold up to any analysis.

You haven’t included Ashley Young’s availability in your analysis Paul and if he was being rested when Cash has started.  I still think we would see Young starting on Sunday if both were fit and available.

As I say, I have got no issues with Marty Cash at all.  He has done well for us, but as I say, we just might need better in that position if we are to progress further.

Indeed I haven't because there isn't a single game where Young hasn't been in the matchday squad, I have no idea if the games he didn't start were him being rested or Cash being preferred and that's kinda my point. I'm being semantic but I'm fed up of this lazy idea that Emery doesn't like Cash. On here it's about 90% due to a load of bollocks that footy posted on about 6 different threads between the world cup and Cash getting back into the team.

What really happened is Cash went to the world cup, missed a lot of training and arrived back at the club a few days before the Liverpool match so Young started and played well, so he kept the shirt for a few games whilst ash settled back in and got used to playing in what was clearly a revamped defensive shape (as shown by the vast improvement in our defence since christmas). Once he was fit and prepared he got into the team until he picked up an injury. That's it, there's no need for conspiracy theories or nonsense about footballing intelligence.

That out of the way I do agree that after replacing Buendia and/or Bailey the next spot on the list where we can upgrade might be Cash (Konsa is the other option) but if we don't and instead we sign options that rotate with them I'd be happy with that as well.

The bit in bold is harsh. I certainly don't base my opinions on the crap Footie comes out with.

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Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
« Reply #1423 on: May 24, 2023, 06:06:05 PM »
Firminio would seem to be a decent fit for us but he's got CL clubs making eyes at him. According to BBC Football gossip

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Re: 2023 Summer transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.
« Reply #1424 on: May 24, 2023, 06:24:59 PM »
Can’t see why Cash wouldn’t be suitable for football, for me, he’s very similar to Moreno on the other side who the manager actually bought in as his pick



I agree John. Cash's crossing isn't the best, but crossing doesn't appear to be a big part of how Emery sets up, so I can't see that that really matters.

 


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