Players Who Simply Aren’t Good Enough

[edgysatsuma89]

With Ollie I just don't get how a striker can be almost 27 and still need teaching how to finish.  What can Emery tell him that he hasn't been told a thousand times?  He'll always need 3 chances to score 1.

He is one of the ones I simply can't see turning it around. You can't have his first touch and be anything close to a consistent top player in my opinion.

[wince]

Where was this thread last weekend? We're always going to be at our most pissed-off when we lose but the biggest difference between us and Newcastle is not in quality but in attitude and how well they're coached. Now that we have a proper manager incoming, we will see who fits and who doesn't.

Agree with eamonn on this. Give Emery a chance to work with squad as we were shit before Brentford game and were shit today. Let’s see what a proper coach can do before we start judging. Let’s also give the new gaffer some time to sort this mess out. Last weeks result was a great one but we are still without a coach

[SoccerHQ]

There are a number who disappoint me, but I think the one who disappoints me the most is Konsa. A couple of years back he looked assured, composed, and that he was really going to kick on. He’s a shadow of his former self now and his lack of quality at the back is a real issue.

Just hasn't kicked on from his excellent debut season. Think he's one to keep around and see if Emery can get something from him rather than just sell immediately though.

Did Chambers play much under him at Arsenal? Staggering how few minutes he's played for us in last six months considering him and Mings was statistically our best duo last season.

Wonder if we'll see that combination in next three games.

[Allan C]

Where was this thread last weekend? We're always going to be at our most pissed-off when we lose but the biggest difference between us and Newcastle is not in quality but in attitude and how well they're coached. Now that we have a proper manager incoming, we will see who fits and who doesn't.

Stop hiding behind bad coaching. There are players there who have been average at best for almost two seasons now. They are what they are, average

[Flamingo Lane]

Ings and McGinn are no brainers. Can't believe Ings is so useless. File alongside Aspinall, Lillis, Cascarino etc.

Lillis was more of a jobbing midfielder who scored a goal or two. Did a good job for us under Graham Taylor in the short spell he played for us.

[ChicagoLion]

Watkins
Ings
Mcginn
Cash
Konsa
For starters

[Rigadon]

With Ollie I just don't get how a striker can be almost 27 and still need teaching how to finish.  What can Emery tell him that he hasn't been told a thousand times?  He'll always need 3 chances to score 1.

I think you’re being kind with that ratio.  It’s more like 6 or 7 chances to score 1.  He has lots of qualities but I’m bored of it now. Get a striker who scored goals FFS. 

[eamonn]

Where was this thread last weekend? We're always going to be at our most pissed-off when we lose but the biggest difference between us and Newcastle is not in quality but in attitude and how well they're coached. Now that we have a proper manager incoming, we will see who fits and who doesn't.

Stop hiding behind bad coaching. There are players there who have been average at best for almost two seasons now. They are what they are, average

I would say our ceiling with this squad is mid-table/bottom of the top half. We're the 7th highest salary-payers in the league according to Purslow; often held as a more accurate indicator of quality than net spend (which ours is distorted by the likes of Kamara and Coutinho being purchased for free/below their market value due to high salary). As those players are paid commensurate to their abilities, I just don't buy it that "they're all shit". It's too easy and unlikely/depressing to say that the answer is to spend £300m more on the squad to get a tune out of them.

Do you really think that Fulham and Bournemouth have better players than us? No, it's because they are trained to play in a particular way and are capable of carrying-out their roles. Our squad is completely unbalanced - from having four wingers this time last year we now have one and he's been played on the wrong side most of the time. We have full-backs that will have to forget what Beale & Gerrard confused them with and re-learn their roles from Emery. And a mixture of central midfielders, all with various, unique talents but few of which we are setting-up to thrive on as they're often playing in roles that don't bring out their best qualities.
 
Smith didn't get much of a chance (i.e 11 games) to stamp his ideas on the post-Grealish team and Gerrard tried to do his Rangers-model of full backs scoring and assisting at will which failed miserably.

We're now finally going to get a coach who knows how to make a team hard to beat and also be comfortable in possession. Not all of the squad will be up to it but he's got more than enough talent to work with, keep us in the middle of the league and then progress from there in the forthcoming windows.

[hilts_coolerking]

It's true to say that Howe coaches his team well but it's worth pointing out that 7 players who played for them today were bought by him and no doubt Isak would have played too if he'd been fit.  So it didn't take Howe long to figure out that a good number of the first team needed binning.

[wince]

Where was this thread last weekend? We're always going to be at our most pissed-off when we lose but the biggest difference between us and Newcastle is not in quality but in attitude and how well they're coached. Now that we have a proper manager incoming, we will see who fits and who doesn't.

Stop hiding behind bad coaching. There are players there who have been average at best for almost two seasons now. They are what they are, average

I would say our ceiling with this squad is mid-table/bottom of the top half. We're the 7th highest salary-payers in the league according to Purslow; often held as a more accurate indicator of quality than net spend (which ours is distorted by the likes of Kamara and Coutinho being purchased for free/below their market value due to high salary). As those players are paid commensurate to their abilities, I just don't buy it that "they're all shit". It's too easy and unlikely/depressing to say that the answer is to spend £300m more on the squad to get a tune out of them.

Do you really think that Fulham and Bournemouth have better players than us? No, it's because they are trained to play in a particular way and are capable of carrying-out their roles. Our squad is completely unbalanced - from having four wingers this time last year we now have one playing on the wrong side. We have full-backs that will have to forget what Beale & Gerrard confused them with and re-learn their roles from Emery. And a mixture of central midfielders, all with various, unique talents but few of which we are setting-up to thrive on as they're often playing in roles that don't bring out their best qualities.
 
Smith didn't get much of a chance (i.e 11 games) to stamp his ideas on the post-Grealish team and Gerrard tried to do his Rangers-model of full backs scoring and assisting at will which failed miserably.

We're now finally going to get a coach who knows how to make a team hard to beat and also be comfortable in possession. Not all of the squad will be up to it but he's got more than enough talent to work with, keep us in the middle of the league and then progress from there in the forthcoming windows.

Again totally agree. Last week shows there is quality in the squad. Seriously think some just like us to be shit so there is something to moan about. We have a caretaker manager in for what, 10 days? Going to take more than that to coax the quality we know is there. If not, we’ll ship them out and get better.

[PeterWithesShin]

Still leaves 10 that played, and more than half the starting 11, that were winless and bottom of the league less than a year ago. And didn't record a second win until late Jan.

[hilts_coolerking]

Still leaves 10 that played, and more than half the starting 11, that were winless and bottom of the league less than a year ago. And didn't record a second win until late Jan.

Perhaps because they didn't get Guimares til the 30th.

[RamboandBruno]

Where was this thread last weekend? We're always going to be at our most pissed-off when we lose but the biggest difference between us and Newcastle is not in quality but in attitude and how well they're coached. Now that we have a proper manager incoming, we will see who fits and who doesn't.

Stop hiding behind bad coaching. There are players there who have been average at best for almost two seasons now. They are what they are, average

I would say our ceiling with this squad is mid-table/bottom of the top half. We're the 7th highest salary-payers in the league according to Purslow; often held as a more accurate indicator of quality than net spend (which ours is distorted by the likes of Kamara and Coutinho being purchased for free/below their market value due to high salary). As those players are paid commensurate to their abilities, I just don't buy it that "they're all shit". It's too easy and unlikely/depressing to say that the answer is to spend £300m more on the squad to get a tune out of them.

Do you really think that Fulham and Bournemouth have better players than us? No, it's because they are trained to play in a particular way and are capable of carrying-out their roles. Our squad is completely unbalanced - from having four wingers this time last year we now have one and he's been played on the wrong side most of the time. We have full-backs that will have to forget what Beale & Gerrard confused them with and re-learn their roles from Emery. And a mixture of central midfielders, all with various, unique talents but few of which we are setting-up to thrive on as they're often playing in roles that don't bring out their best qualities.
 
Smith didn't get much of a chance (i.e 11 games) to stamp his ideas on the post-Grealish team and Gerrard tried to do his Rangers-model of full backs scoring and assisting at will which failed miserably.

We're now finally going to get a coach who knows how to make a team hard to beat and also be comfortable in possession. Not all of the squad will be up to it but he's got more than enough talent to work with, keep us in the middle of the league and then progress from there in the forthcoming windows.

Completely agree with this Eamon. I think some of the players maybe aren’t good enough but they will need to be phased out over time rather than some major cull.

Howe has brought in a lot of players but has helped to make players that i would of considered more championship level like Almorin and Joelinton into the heartbeat of a team sitting in 4th. Im sure he will replace those players over time, if as expected they continue their rise, but he has blatantly coached and motivated these players brilliantly in a year.
We only have to look back at our own history and look what SGT did with the likes of Ian Olney and Ian Ormondroyd to see what can be achieved with with arguably limited players.

[PeterWithesShin]

Still leaves 10 that played, and more than half the starting 11, that were winless and bottom of the league less than a year ago. And didn't record a second win until late Jan.

Perhaps because they didn't get Guimares til the 30th.

He didn't start a game for over a month.

[hilts_coolerking]

It's fair to say that the more players he has brought in, the better the results have been.