I just don't agree with the idea that the only way we can do that is by letting Gerrard spaff money up the wall over and over again. The solution has to be that we get the coach right, see that they're doing the job and then give them the money to make targeted key improvements to the squad and back them to move on the players they don't think fit.
Quote from: markeeeebeeee2005 on October 06, 2022, 02:19:08 PMWe’re only really going on what Purslow is saying, which may or may not be the full picture. If you were the owners would you be giving Purslow a tonne more cash to burn with his recent decision making seriously in question. No, you’d tell him he’s on a sell to buy policy unless he shows some serious progress against the milestones set out. I’m possibly reading too much into this, but it could be that Nas and Wes’ trust in Purslow and his star boy Gerrard is what is currently under the microscope not their ambitions for Villa or there commitment to supporting that financially. If I’m right, then fair play. If they’re settling for A Purslow/ Gerrard combo with a sell to buy policy then that’d be pretty disappointing as scraping by in the Prem would be about our level with the odd relegation and promotion thrown in. The thing that I can't quite get my head around is the 'other' stuff. The ground expansion, the investment in the academy, the possible links up with other clubs/Vegas Villains. None of that seems to suggest that they are happy with bobbing around the lower half of the league like we have been doing for the last 18 months - but maybe it has been a big distraction? Or maybe they banking on the popularity of the league in general to sustain us? That seems incredibly short-sighted. But the problem with long-term planning is that this league moves very quickly. This time last season, Newcastle were a laughing stock and Leicester were seen as the main rival to the top 6. Lerner learned the hard way that gradual progression will only last so long before you are overtaken by someone new.This is what gives me hope that we will continue to progress. We made a bad managerial appointment last year, which happens. What we can't do is let that force us to reassess our ambition as a club. We dust ourselves off and get back on track with someone that kows what they are doing.
We’re only really going on what Purslow is saying, which may or may not be the full picture. If you were the owners would you be giving Purslow a tonne more cash to burn with his recent decision making seriously in question. No, you’d tell him he’s on a sell to buy policy unless he shows some serious progress against the milestones set out. I’m possibly reading too much into this, but it could be that Nas and Wes’ trust in Purslow and his star boy Gerrard is what is currently under the microscope not their ambitions for Villa or there commitment to supporting that financially. If I’m right, then fair play. If they’re settling for A Purslow/ Gerrard combo with a sell to buy policy then that’d be pretty disappointing as scraping by in the Prem would be about our level with the odd relegation and promotion thrown in.
Quote from: boozey182 on October 06, 2022, 02:32:03 PMQuote from: markeeeebeeee2005 on October 06, 2022, 02:19:08 PMWe’re only really going on what Purslow is saying, which may or may not be the full picture. If you were the owners would you be giving Purslow a tonne more cash to burn with his recent decision making seriously in question. No, you’d tell him he’s on a sell to buy policy unless he shows some serious progress against the milestones set out. I’m possibly reading too much into this, but it could be that Nas and Wes’ trust in Purslow and his star boy Gerrard is what is currently under the microscope not their ambitions for Villa or there commitment to supporting that financially. If I’m right, then fair play. If they’re settling for A Purslow/ Gerrard combo with a sell to buy policy then that’d be pretty disappointing as scraping by in the Prem would be about our level with the odd relegation and promotion thrown in. The thing that I can't quite get my head around is the 'other' stuff. The ground expansion, the investment in the academy, the possible links up with other clubs/Vegas Villains. None of that seems to suggest that they are happy with bobbing around the lower half of the league like we have been doing for the last 18 months - but maybe it has been a big distraction? Or maybe they banking on the popularity of the league in general to sustain us? That seems incredibly short-sighted. But the problem with long-term planning is that this league moves very quickly. This time last season, Newcastle were a laughing stock and Leicester were seen as the main rival to the top 6. Lerner learned the hard way that gradual progression will only last so long before you are overtaken by someone new.This is what gives me hope that we will continue to progress. We made a bad managerial appointment last year, which happens. What we can't do is let that force us to reassess our ambition as a club. We dust ourselves off and get back on track with someone that kows what they are doing.As I said, cash injections by the woners to grow the club/brand (I know) make sense, that's effecitvely investing in the club unfrastructure which just adds value and commercial growth, relying on external funding for internal club costs (like wages, transfers, etc) is just a endless moneypit. That's not to say that targeted spending like that isn't needed but you need to get others things right first or you run the risk of doing what we did under Lerner or what Everton have done.
Yeah, sorry, I probably wasn't clear. What doesn't marry up for me is the forward thinking of all of those 'other' things with the Gerrard appointment and subsequent transfer policy. I love all of those investments - it's a progressive way to grow the 'brand' (yuck), while generating potential revenue streams. But at the same time we seem to be incredibly short term on the first team front, and really not very good at it. If the plan was to keep all of these other things bubbling away in the background for the future while being more short term on the first team front (not an awful strategy), then we have got it badly wrong, and put far too much faith in the wrong guy. And the fact he's still here suggests that we might not know what to do next. Which is pretty uninspiring.
Quote from: boozey182 on October 06, 2022, 02:58:53 PMYeah, sorry, I probably wasn't clear. What doesn't marry up for me is the forward thinking of all of those 'other' things with the Gerrard appointment and subsequent transfer policy. I love all of those investments - it's a progressive way to grow the 'brand' (yuck), while generating potential revenue streams. But at the same time we seem to be incredibly short term on the first team front, and really not very good at it. If the plan was to keep all of these other things bubbling away in the background for the future while being more short term on the first team front (not an awful strategy), then we have got it badly wrong, and put far too much faith in the wrong guy. And the fact he's still here suggests that we might not know what to do next. Which is pretty uninspiring.Especially when you consider we spent the better part of 90 million on Digne, Carlos, Coutinho and Ings who will all be 30+ within the next what, 6 months? That is a "success now" type of transfer policy.
Well Ings has been a disaster of a signing, and the responsibility for that is firmly on Purslow/Lange for wanting an immediate 'name' to soften the blow of Grealish leaving. It's nobody's fault that Carlos got injured second game, and Digne seems fairly injury prone too.
You look at the impact Trippier has had at Newcastle. That's the sort of lift you're looking for when signing experienced players.
Quote from: Risso on October 06, 2022, 04:13:14 PMWell Ings has been a disaster of a signing, and the responsibility for that is firmly on Purslow/Lange for wanting an immediate 'name' to soften the blow of Grealish leaving. It's nobody's fault that Carlos got injured second game, and Digne seems fairly injury prone too.The Grealish money has been poorly invested. I do wonder to what extent Smith was involved in those signings.
Quote from: ChicagoLion on October 06, 2022, 04:27:00 PMQuote from: Risso on October 06, 2022, 04:13:14 PMWell Ings has been a disaster of a signing, and the responsibility for that is firmly on Purslow/Lange for wanting an immediate 'name' to soften the blow of Grealish leaving. It's nobody's fault that Carlos got injured second game, and Digne seems fairly injury prone too.The Grealish money has been poorly invested. I do wonder to what extent Smith was involved in those signings.It's impossible to know for sure, but I think the club takes the "head coach" thing seriously, and leaves most of the recruitment to Lange. Obviously Coutinho is here because of Gerrard though.
Quote from: boozey182 on October 06, 2022, 02:58:53 PMYeah, sorry, I probably wasn't clear. What doesn't marry up for me is the forward thinking of all of those 'other' things with the Gerrard appointment and subsequent transfer policy. I love all of those investments - it's a progressive way to grow the 'brand' (yuck), while generating potential revenue streams. But at the same time we seem to be incredibly short term on the first team front, and really not very good at it. If the plan was to keep all of these other things bubbling away in the background for the future while being more short term on the first team front (not an awful strategy), then we have got it badly wrong, and put far too much faith in the wrong guy. And the fact he's still here suggests that we might not know what to do next. Which is pretty uninspiring.Maybe Purslow is our root problem. He seems to be both CEO and DoF.