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Offline Rory

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Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
« Reply #4365 on: August 16, 2022, 12:26:50 AM »
Does anybody have any genuine insight into how these things are negotiated?

Presumably, as a business, we make the lowest pay offers we think will be acceptable, so players who have come through the academy or from Scotland/Belgium will start from a much lower base than signings from England/Germany/Spain.

Is it unreasonable to presume that, say McGinn, who was probably on maybe 10k a week at Hibs, would be on a lower salary than Digne, who was probably on a fair whack at Everton. Or do we make a serious effort to offer 'market value' in line with merit?
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Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
« Reply #4366 on: August 16, 2022, 01:05:49 AM »
This will be a problem for all premiership clubs outside of the top four, all other clubs will have to offer over the top salarys in the attempt to break in to Europe, then get stuck with unwanted players owing to the high payments. The top clubs for the most have only the best players, so can easily move them on.

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Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
« Reply #4367 on: August 16, 2022, 01:14:08 AM »
The top clubs for the most have only the best players, so can easily move them on.

Or the engineered reverence for such clubs means that they manage to offload their rubbish by exploiting the 'if he's good enough to be signed by them...' fallacy.

Just think of the absolute shite Ferguson's Man Utd got a fee for.

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Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
« Reply #4368 on: August 16, 2022, 01:50:00 AM »
To nowadays where Chelsea/Liverpool/Citeh get £15m/20m for players who've barely featured in their first team. A model that we are admirably beginning to emulate (ok, we wanted to keep Chuck but we're putting a system in place where there'll be more young fellas who we make big bucks on, who we've just outgrown).

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Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
« Reply #4369 on: August 16, 2022, 03:01:54 AM »
To nowadays where Chelsea/Liverpool/Citeh get £15m/20m for players who've barely featured in their first team. A model that we are admirably beginning to emulate (ok, we wanted to keep Chuck but we're putting a system in place where there'll be more young fellas who we make big bucks on, who we've just outgrown).

It's amazing, isn't it? I remember thinking it was insane when Shearer went for £15m, these days you wouldn't get a second choice right back for that.

A handful of clubs soaking up all of the talent across the continent, paying more per player than 95% of clubs are worth. I know we aspire to be among them, but sometimes I do wonder why.

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Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
« Reply #4370 on: August 16, 2022, 06:11:52 AM »
I am concerned that no club has come in with an offer for any Villa player on the not wanted list. World beaters they are not but most would be useful. It leaves us with a long list of players on decent wages that will not cotribute.
There is an excess of players surplus to requirements across the Premier league and the secondary market ie Championship and European leagues has virtually disappeared.
The PL players are on higher salaries which makes it even more difficult to move them on.

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Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
« Reply #4371 on: August 16, 2022, 06:18:10 AM »
This will be a problem for all premiership clubs outside of the top four, all other clubs will have to offer over the top salarys in the attempt to break in to Europe, then get stuck with unwanted players owing to the high payments. The top clubs for the most have only the best players, so can easily move them on.

Iíd suggest that we are also at the bottom of the first tier where we pay the most outside the top six.  This means shifting players to the rest of the league and Europe is especially difficult because the players will be reluctant to take pay-cuts.  For the foreseeable we might have to accept losing a player every year or two to the big six and letting others go for negligible fees, just to keep the squad fresh and allow headroom for the youth players to grow.

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Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
« Reply #4372 on: August 16, 2022, 07:23:52 AM »
The vultures are circling, West Ham will probaly lose Rice and Everton may lose Gordon before the close, Fortunately or unfortunately we do not have a player they would be interested in. That's why I take great small minded pleasure in seeing the United Manchester having what they would refer to as a second tier club take the proverbial piss out of them. It may be just a glitch, but I would dearly love to see them struggle all season.

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Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
« Reply #4373 on: August 16, 2022, 09:02:54 AM »
This will be a problem for all premiership clubs outside of the top four, all other clubs will have to offer over the top salarys in the attempt to break in to Europe, then get stuck with unwanted players owing to the high payments. The top clubs for the most have only the best players, so can easily move them on.

Iíd suggest that we are also at the bottom of the first tier where we pay the most outside the top six.  This means shifting players to the rest of the league and Europe is especially difficult because the players will be reluctant to take pay-cuts.  For the foreseeable we might have to accept losing a player every year or two to the big six and letting others go for negligible fees, just to keep the squad fresh and allow headroom for the youth players to grow.

Bloody depressing, but sadly we know our place and Everton got ideas above their station, to be swiftly put back down.

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Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
« Reply #4374 on: August 16, 2022, 09:48:25 AM »
Obviously still a little while left, but with Carlos being out for the season and Bailey's league outings so far, our squad is looking mightily like the one that was so inconsistent last season.  I'm starting to wonder if the owners are looking closely at Gerrard, or it's just that their targets aren't willing / aren't allowed to come.  Or something else! 

I don't see what Carlos being out injured has anything to do with any of that.

It has a lot to do with the first sentence, don't you think?  Kamara will improve us no doubt, but that won't be enough to achieve what we all hope for in my opinion. 

I still don't get why you brought Carlos up. If you think we need more across the board, then fair comment,  maybe we do.

My point was that now heís knackered, the team is only one (very promising) player better off than we we were for large parts of last season.  Donít see it being enough to realistically hope for a wildly different outcome.  But, there is still time of course.

Well Gerrard apparently had us 9th from the time he arrived... So improvement to get to 8th should be possible with the one position we all wanted filled with Kamara.

Anyone else should see us push further on.

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Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
« Reply #4375 on: August 16, 2022, 10:05:03 AM »
Obviously still a little while left, but with Carlos being out for the season and Bailey's league outings so far, our squad is looking mightily like the one that was so inconsistent last season.  I'm starting to wonder if the owners are looking closely at Gerrard, or it's just that their targets aren't willing / aren't allowed to come.  Or something else! 

I don't see what Carlos being out injured has anything to do with any of that.

It has a lot to do with the first sentence, don't you think?  Kamara will improve us no doubt, but that won't be enough to achieve what we all hope for in my opinion. 

I still don't get why you brought Carlos up. If you think we need more across the board, then fair comment,  maybe we do.

My point was that now heís knackered, the team is only one (very promising) player better off than we we were for large parts of last season.  Donít see it being enough to realistically hope for a wildly different outcome.  But, there is still time of course.

Well Gerrard apparently had us 9th from the time he arrived... So improvement to get to 8th should be possible with the one position we all wanted filled with Kamara.

Anyone else should see us push further on.

That would only be true if other teams didn't sign players to strengthen.

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Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
« Reply #4376 on: August 16, 2022, 10:15:31 AM »
Whilst it is obviously disappointing that Carlos has picked up a nasty industry so early into his Villa career, it does show how much better the squad is. Last season the equivalent would be losing Mings and having Hause and Konsa for the season with no back up. This season we lose Carlos and have Mings and Chambers with Konsa on the bench. Strength in depth.

I am not the biggest fan of Mings, but he is a good defender if error prone. I also think he may do a lot better with Kamara in front of the defence anyway.


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Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
« Reply #4377 on: August 16, 2022, 10:20:13 AM »
Obviously still a little while left, but with Carlos being out for the season and Bailey's league outings so far, our squad is looking mightily like the one that was so inconsistent last season.  I'm starting to wonder if the owners are looking closely at Gerrard, or it's just that their targets aren't willing / aren't allowed to come.  Or something else! 

I don't see what Carlos being out injured has anything to do with any of that.

It has a lot to do with the first sentence, don't you think?  Kamara will improve us no doubt, but that won't be enough to achieve what we all hope for in my opinion. 

I still don't get why you brought Carlos up. If you think we need more across the board, then fair comment,  maybe we do.

My point was that now heís knackered, the team is only one (very promising) player better off than we we were for large parts of last season.  Donít see it being enough to realistically hope for a wildly different outcome.  But, there is still time of course.

Well Gerrard apparently had us 9th from the time he arrived... So improvement to get to 8th should be possible with the one position we all wanted filled with Kamara.

Anyone else should see us push further on.

That would only be true if other teams didn't sign players to strengthen.

That's fair enough, but we always assume that when teams sign new players they get stronger, and that's not always the case.

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Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
« Reply #4378 on: August 16, 2022, 11:01:40 AM »
Speculation that Hause is in talks with Watford over a possible loan move. I trust that the club has replacements lined up first? We have a habit of letting players go before new players are in place.

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Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
« Reply #4379 on: August 16, 2022, 11:02:49 AM »
I think for us to get top half we need another player or two in - most likely in midfield.

Itís a good squad but as it stands for us to finish top half would be a very good achievement currently with a rookie manager and things not clicking on the pitch often

A European challenge needs SG to learn quicker (or the players to learn) than he/they have been and a few new players in

Or 1 or two players raising to grealish type levels for the whole season

 


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